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[12:03] OK, guys, ready? >> But everybody their seats.

[12:15] What? Everybody please grab a seat. Pretty please. We've got to we've got a quorum. So have

[12:24] to. To attend to to a time. Yeah, we With the Broward Sheriff's Please arrest

[12:37] anybody that's not sitting down. Please. Yeah, ready Try going to rush it now. says 16

[12:51] time. Good morning, everybody. Today June 16th 2026. Welcome to Broward County Commission

[13:03] meeting and the like We're gonna go through Pledge of everyone, everyone, all the

[13:05] everybody please rise you know, I'm gonna have a because this one, the last few

[13:12] meetings he'll be have Mr. Myers. And then, know, he's here till November, Mr. Myers

[13:18] lead us into the Pledge of Allegiance. Leave it think to United States of America and

[13:28] sense one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for Mr. Meyers, that

[13:35] was incredible. The way you let everybody you know, it was incredible. Thank you.

[13:44] >> Liz Jones customers every moment silence in honor notable persons from our

[13:46] community who have recently go around that this going on or anybody. We have Okay.

[13:59] Commissioner Davis and Commissioner Rogers in the fall.

[14:04] >> Going once. the among enough. And can you Yes, we can hear you. Okay. If you

[14:13] want interjected all just let me run recognize anybody >> We're going to let us also

[14:22] honor all the brave men and women who have served and continue to serve in our armed

[14:25] forces both here and abroad and thank them for their service opposed pause for a

[14:30] moment of silence. Thank you. Can you please take your seats?

[14:48] >> We got a very hopefully a very short regular agenda here and wanted to.

[14:51] >> First to get some some. General counsel. We need to identify are canvassing board

[15:03] representative for the summer primary in a special plantation election. The

[15:07] county attorney informs me that the mayor is the county commission's representative on

[15:11] the canvassing board. Unless the mayor is unable to serve. And since I am unable to serve

[15:18] under administrative code, the roll past is automatically to the vice mayor. If he's able

[15:22] to serve. Vice mayor, can you serve? yes, I can okay. The county attorney also informs

[15:31] me that I should point her alternate member or members. Is anyone willing to

[15:35] volunteer? I'll be an alternate. You'll be an alternate, OK with your

[15:40] mission. We give it 2 of them up. You have to we have to alternate council ago for 3.

[15:49] Maybe the whole Okay. So so I'm gonna recognize Lamar Fisher and Michael, you Dean

[15:55] as alternate members of the canvassing board. That business is done right? was

[16:04] that. Was that a really good? It was a scripted to the strip. Well, okay. Great made

[16:14] I want to take literally 60 seconds live. Some pictures for him when we went to Japan

[16:22] and Taiwan, we signed her first agreement and then the whole goal is to see about

[16:27] monetizing monetizing the agreement and I'll know in a couple months how we can

[16:31] monetize the agreement with our business community. And I was signing an agreement with

[16:35] the mayor of Kong County in Taiwan, Taiwan being our 4th largest trading partner. And

[16:43] do we have those quick pictures? Because they're they're pretty there's not.

[16:47] Those pictures Mike. Other up there. Okay. There's Keep on scrolling. Go next.

[16:58] >> Your next And then we give the key to the county. And I think it's then hold it. The

[17:03] gentleman in the middle is from the State Department. I don't know that don't know

[17:07] invited them, but State Department and then we had some other people from sister

[17:11] cities and and from Florida that came there. But otherwise, again, talked with

[17:20] Sandy, Michael McDonald. I think we're on the same page and we're going to see how we

[17:25] can monetize this. So we show that we're helping our community, our business

[17:29] community and we'll get back August on that. That's it. Get rid of the picture. Thank you

[17:34] what are you clapping for? >> I for government enter your meeting. ID followed by how

[17:43] get everybody enter meeting ID. Please. count. You have not entered any committee.

[17:55] This is our a billion-dollar telecommunication one. say Rowe, this meeting ID does not

[18:01] exist. Okay. No more meeting ID's. Okay. Second, we're here regarding the.

[18:13] >> The Spirit building. passed out something. I want to let everybody know what happened

[18:17] yesterday. We had a meeting here yesterday was the people from Cisco Monica and her team

[18:23] up to see how we Is there a way to save more money if we move if we move forward and if

[18:28] it is, you see from down here instead of having big huge offices, which we don't need

[18:35] to have standard offices. We reduce the office building from 100 and some million to

[18:42] 70 Million. This is this in the people from Cisco which are here. These were not exact

[18:46] numbers. But guesstimate numbers and basically comes down to 274 million, 600,000

[18:54] so basically, we added we saved if you look at the the white sheet just summarizing.

[19:04] We saved basically 300, nearly 350 million, not 200 Million. We would save 300 and

[19:10] 50 million dollars. I'm happy to have Monica go through show you how we know. We just

[19:17] instead of taking the original numbers which are bigger offices and everything now we

[19:22] have a point of saving 350 Million. And I just think that's important of taxpayer

[19:29] money. that we can say and it's huge amount of money. know, go love for affordable

[19:37] housing for a lot of other programs here. But holding up a sheet? Yes, sir. whenever

[19:43] you get a chance to Monday night. Tuesday morning memo, this is item 2. Yes, OK, I

[19:50] just want and what I've just open the item whenever you're right. And others were

[19:54] preliminary comments. OK, so okay, so lets. >> We'll do that Tuesday

[20:00] morning memo. And then we'll come back to this real quickly and then we'll move on to our

[20:03] next Go ahead. Real quick. >> Tuesday agenda memorandum the following are submitted

[20:09] for your consideration. Consent items. 9 public hearing items, 9 regular items

[20:13] are one through to a request. The following withdraws another modification. See the

[20:18] agenda the following additional information withdrawal. The deferrals

[20:20] item, one tougher to August. 20th 2026 meeting. Other modifications item to the

[20:26] board's consideration is based upon the item with the amendments, including the

[20:29] additional motion statement shown in addition, material submitted by the county

[20:34] attorney's office and adoption of Budget resolutions shown an additional material to be in

[20:38] to see submitted by the Office of Management and Budget Move to consent. 9 additional

[20:44] material item amendments. An additional motion statement submitted by office of the

[20:48] County Attorney Item to be exhibit for Budget resolution for motion. See submitted by

[20:51] Office of Management and Budget Item to see Exhibit 5 budget resolution for a motion

[20:56] to be submitted by Office of Management and Budget Item to the memo to the board

[21:00] submitted by county attorney's Office. Item 2, a motion to waive Section 6.19 6.20 of the

[21:09] Broward County Administrative Code in the best interest of the county to permit the

[21:15] transaction describe emotion be to be motion to authorize county administrator to

[21:17] negotiate and execute agreements and take all action is necessary to acquire the

[21:23] property located at 17. 0, 1, through 17. 41 Radiant Drive. A 17, 30 Manor Street, Dania

[21:28] Beach to see motion to adopt budget resolution transferring funds for reserve within the

[21:33] General fund in the amount of 4 million, 426,000, $946 to provide partial funding for

[21:39] the potential purchase of the property. 2 D motion to adopt budget resolution transferring

[21:46] funds for preserve within the general capital outlay funds in the amount of 95 Million.

[21:50] $573,054 to provide partial funding for the potential purchase of the property. One

[21:55] member of the public has signed up to speak on the item.

[22:02] >> Okay. unopened item to write Council of as it is. Monica who did this? Who who

[22:08] typed this cheetah? Drafted this year? Staff those and your staff.

[22:19] >> The 6/16/2026 spirit meeting that was yesterday and it it is. Who who directed

[22:23] this, you know. I don't know, sir. Okay. So there's words in here that I don't like it. I

[22:32] want to make sure everybody understands it says that the bare-bones spear renovation,

[22:36] this is not. Do you have a copy of that you know what you're looking OK? probably

[22:41] from. I want to show everybody. You've been to the Senator, you've been to the

[22:50] building. Have you been building not it would have been in that so easily. I got

[23:01] it's OK, I know many times. You only say it's OK. you've not that they're out. Okay.

[23:08] You've been there have even. Okay. today I want to spend 3 full minutes bringing the

[23:13] building deal. in the back. Let's bring the building. I just want you to see that.

[23:20] It's actually 67 6, 1280 seconds. Can you go? So these are works. Okay. You won't

[23:28] find. I just want you to see the workstations how this is just example of one of the 6

[23:32] floors keep going. This isn't so they have offices there, too. These are beautiful. That

[23:41] brand new offices keep going. Another office keep going. Another office. This is a this

[23:50] is just outside area of their offices. It's not all work stations keep going. You can't

[23:58] continue. This is a every floor believe has a kitchen which obviously don't need

[24:01] that every floor, as is everything again, this is the first floor when you walk in

[24:08] this huge area for people to sit meet, keep going. This is just a quick 60nd video. Just

[24:14] to give you an idea of the quality of the building and the carpeting looks brand new

[24:19] everything there looks brand new and every floors the same. You can workstations that

[24:23] look, brand new carpeting in offices. Also, you could move in. The plug is working. Air

[24:31] conditioning is working electric twerking. If you had, obviously we have to things to

[24:35] the building that's ready to move in right now, according to them, everything works

[24:41] except there's you have to go. Comcast. Xfinity to get Internet. The only thing

[24:45] that's not there is the Internet. Everything else works perfectly again. If you

[24:53] know what or how many people Monica in in in one in How many people in your risk

[24:58] management have workstations versus offices. >> Of the top? My head. So

[25:05] don't know. But if I had to guess we have roughly 40 some 40 some folks and risk

[25:09] management probably less than 5 have offices in the rest of them have.

[25:15] >> So they would be using these workstations anyway. It's not like all of a sudden

[25:17] we're pushing people to work stations do have other departments that with similar

[25:22] similar situations where some people have a couple officers and then there's workstations

[25:25] right? That's correct. Okay. So I went through Woods us COVID give us the original

[25:32] numbers. And I said what if we put up 10 by 12 offices, you put drywall indoors and you

[25:36] have obviously move some some vents for air conditioning. Some lights. And we just had

[25:40] all 10 by 12 offices and got rid of everything and they said we can bring the price

[25:45] down all this. These numbers here have to do with bringing the price down from from what

[25:52] the original was down to 2.75. The cause. So that's where I get. We're saving nearly

[26:02] 350 million dollars. 350 million versus the current, the current project.

[26:07] That's before from administration 3 quarters of a billion dollars. So I mean, I

[26:15] going to make public know I would never agreed to spend 3 quarters of a billion dollars

[26:20] on a building. You guys can. I'm not going to and we could save the public 350 Million.

[26:26] I'm not gonna say it again. So I wanted to to do that note, we item 2 and according to

[26:34] council, it would be best that we do not take a vote today because we need all the

[26:41] members here. If it's going to vote. Yes, we would need all the people here in person that

[26:49] ideal. saying it correctly, Just tell me. Yes, yes, us. We have 5 votes here. Now it

[26:55] would have to do that. But based on talking to counsel, I would have to reschedule defer

[27:03] this and rescheduled for next week and have a special meeting next week. you know

[27:09] you shouldn't do it, Mr. because we have people here, I think instead of deferring it,

[27:13] we should let the people here speak and then we can take the vote next week by a of That's

[27:19] fine. I just want to let everybody unless, you know, we have one speaker? There are 2

[27:27] speakers signed up and I have some questions for additional speaker. Okay. With the

[27:29] speakers. In Clark. >> Eleanor in Oreana Davis. >> Do want to come on up. was

[27:45] aviation. >> I am. Well, good morning to you, Mayor. Vice Mayor

[27:55] Commissioners County administrator. >> And before you start, I

[28:00] mean, the review in the back going to make sure if she's talking against what we're

[28:04] doing, cut the mike that Mike cut the Michael Kay. Go ahead. I'm joking.

[28:10] >> Yeah, I thank you so much for having me here. I am representing the city of Dania

[28:14] Beach as the mayor. This is very sensitive item for us. I don't have to let you all know

[28:20] what's going on with property taxes in Tallahassee. we need every single dollar that we

[28:27] can save in the city of Dania Beach. This proposed Spirit Airlines campus would

[28:35] represent a significant and long-term revenue, economic revenue loss for the city of

[28:41] Dania Beach. I sat down with my CFO and city manager yesterday and it would be the

[28:45] 1.2 million dollars in perpetuity. And I can understand if you're going to

[28:50] have a cost savings. But if we get cost savings of one time as opposed to being able to

[28:55] read generate revenue perpetuity for the city of Dania Beach. I also wanted to

[29:01] say that the Spirit Airlines facility, it's not just the standard building office. This

[29:07] is a specialized space that was specifically designed to serve airline headquarters and

[29:14] aviation training center. We have specialized infrastructure and flight

[29:21] simulators that I have personally one. The corporate layout is uniquely suited for

[29:28] aviation industry. And so we would like to explore those options. I know that our city

[29:33] manager has been in contact with the the greater Fort lighten rated Fort Lauderdale

[29:41] Alliance, along with Kim Cohen, other people. And there are interested parties who are

[29:46] interested in its turn. Key aviation facilities. So >> I'm asking for you all to

[29:51] look at the large picture of looking at the revenue that we would be able to generate in

[29:57] perpetuity. And look at that long-term goal of bringing economic development jobs to

[30:01] the city of being a beat. >> This is the only facility that is like this in all of

[30:07] Broward County. So we would not be able to just, you know, it's not just regular office

[30:12] space. We are asking you to. >> Not vote in favor of this and that I respectfully oppose

[30:19] acquisition of the Spirit Airlines property because it would eliminate and be a

[30:25] reoccurring local development revenue with many units Halley's are already asking to

[30:33] having facing unprecedented fiscal uncertainty. So we need your support to support the

[30:39] city of Dania Beach and bring huge economic development with another company that would

[30:45] work. >> generate revenue opportunity for our city and

[30:47] county. >> Thank you. Thank you, Mayor.

[31:01] >> I had somebody be here to speak, Mister Swindle, can we call him Mr, and vote. is.

[31:03] That's signed up. >> No, but I believe they have the right to ask them to

[31:07] speak. Any commissioner. Obviously, you could ask anyone to speak, but mayor,

[31:13] you control the timing. I don't know. I like box. I like pots. When do I just don't

[31:20] like what he's going to be coming here to talk about? don't mean the timing as to

[31:24] how long would that recognize? Okay. But I'll talk to you afterwards to get out of come

[31:32] I think it's very right. Mister Mayor. So I have a question for Mister chair,

[31:34] which why come to be sure Mr. Swinney bell at the last meeting. I raise concern based

[31:41] upon prior conversation that you and I had that. >> The

[31:50] >> I believe that there were you would indicate there were other. People that we're

[31:56] looking at this building because I'd said then. I think you said this many times. My

[32:02] top priorities bring high paid jobs to Broward. And if we could make this a corporate

[32:09] headquarters, either National International regional for a major company that would bring

[32:13] lots of high-paid jobs here. That was something that would be a factor. Maybe not the

[32:18] only factor, but certainly a factor in my consideration. It is my understanding that you

[32:26] now have an opinion on that. Is that correct? And if so, what is that opinion? Yes,

[32:31] senator, thank you. >> The mayor, you approach is like a CEO of a corporation is

[32:37] considering relocation, right? You look at the space. But your drivers are exactly what

[32:41] makes appealing to business as well to have 180,000 square foot, 10 trip to Turkey

[32:48] facility. We don't have that inventory available anywhere in Broward County right now.

[32:51] And that's what's made it so attractive. We've got to. Really strong candidates that

[32:58] we work for the past. They're actually they're competing with the with the bankruptcy

[33:01] court. There are already engaged with the bankruptcy court for this building. I've

[33:03] got a 3rd that's also pursuing it. don't know the company as well. We've got 6 share this

[33:10] with the county administrator, 6 other companies. We have a tech company that wants to put

[33:13] their headquarters there. Why write? Because, you know, this was really design is an

[33:19] aviation facility like we want to be embedded in a mixed use of like new point. Weve got

[33:26] retail. There's housing. There's there's hotel space. There's temporary housing, all

[33:30] those things that make it attractive. You guys you're competing with business

[33:33] because it's such an attractive location. we are team could probably measure

[33:39] this. But I think I mentioned is the county administrator. If you think about new

[33:42] employees coming to Broward and then payroll being spent and Broward counties,

[33:47] additional taxes generated by that. You know, customers of the stores, the restaurants,

[33:52] the retail. That's that point. And if they're bringing travelers in, we have I told

[33:59] you the name of the company and Mary, you, have you have a strong suspicion, probably

[34:02] it's a global brand. You recognize them immediately. So if if they're going to feel

[34:07] that building with employees that are new to that part of Broward County, I'm not sure

[34:10] there's some dark, any residents that they work for this company already. But you

[34:15] get you're looking at the turn of with their spending in payroll was being spent. That

[34:18] impacts our GDP as a county. It's a very attractive building. But the answer

[34:23] yours, your question, senator, and we talked about this the other day to these projects.

[34:27] We have worked previously and did not have an appropriate facility for one is aviation

[34:33] related. We came really close. But to be honest with you, the finances and what you're

[34:37] looking at, a new way to go to build a new governmental center. You guys can the best

[34:41] rates possible Triple-A been rated county. But, you know, other companies don't have

[34:46] that benefit. And when you look at cost of building the financing, it's it's it's

[34:51] topical police projects their tracks because they want to corporate housing that one of

[34:54] the things that you've got that this facility. >> when do based on everything

[35:00] you said you have a recommendation for us. >> My recommendation would be

[35:05] and it essentially had public relations firm reached out to me the tax man and how they

[35:08] got my number. But they were talking about. The image of the county competing with

[35:15] business for a facility like this. And they recommended to me that they could fix that

[35:17] for me. And like. We have a I know this county commission, they're going to evaluate all

[35:23] the factors and they're going to make the best decision but only for our county. But from

[35:25] pennies in the area. My recommendation is I don't think it's a good look for us

[35:29] to compete with businesses are going after the same building. I don't know that we could win

[35:33] as a county they can be a little more nimble, maybe with a bankruptcy court. But this

[35:39] is the most valuable asset that spearheads. And so it's going to be highly sought

[35:44] after and they will get the highest dollar they can get for this building and they

[35:47] hope And do you recommend I believe that in conversations, County administrator that you

[35:52] had. >> Said something like that, you would recommend that we

[35:57] not pursue this because you believe that. There will be a private, large private

[36:05] companies. Maybe you don't know which one that would come in and benefit the Brevard

[36:12] County Economy. Yeah, I know there's 3 there will be directly competing with you

[36:14] for the space. but again, I go back to >> the additional economic

[36:19] impact of those new employees spending money in Dania Pointe supporting those retailers and

[36:23] restaurants. And I know that the county employees would do the same, but we've already

[36:27] got those folks spending money in our county. We're looking to bring additional people in

[36:29] and that's why I think it would be. It would be a bad decision to to take this off

[36:38] of the inventory for commercial I trust me. I get that. There's no inventory out

[36:41] there. I understand the frustration with that. I deal with it on a regular basis.

[36:47] >> Any other things, Mister Mayor and I'm I have 2 questions for you, sir. As you

[36:52] can in changed since the first time spoke to Senator Gathers cent. On this. Senator Geller

[36:58] said this at our last meeting. So I'm wondering why you brought them up to say the

[37:01] same thing live in. And they're usually because instead of my saying what he

[37:07] said, I wanted him to say what he said. Okay. it's just an opinion like So let me ask you

[37:13] question. And this is you're making a recommendation to us as elected officials as

[37:16] economic development organization, right? Do you think which weighs more saving

[37:20] the public? 350 million dollars or getting high paying jobs in that building? We

[37:26] would cause you're talking a tax base attribute excuse me. You brought up tax base. So

[37:31] tell me based on your recommendation, what kind of tax revenue would we get from

[37:38] that versus the savings of 350 million dollars because I assume you're saying that will

[37:44] benefit more over through more than 350 Million. Because you done that analysis.

[37:51] >> I've not done that analysis. That's one of the things I mentioned that we

[37:53] could do the analysis on what would be the impact of new to Broward employee? You I'm just

[37:58] a guy that you made. You made a recommendation based on you talked about tax.

[38:04] >> But tax. And so you're getting in front of us. Make your recommendation without

[38:06] doing any analysis and how much tax revenue we would generate from putting a

[38:12] corporate entity in their first is saving the public. 350 Million. Is that correct?

[38:15] That's correct. Okay. Thank you. Where conductor? Will both serve him on this way.

[38:23] Okay. So just a couple things. And I've spoken to some of the companies to that are that are

[38:31] talking and that want to look at this building. And assuming that there would be some

[38:35] interest in this building. And I. >> If we're interested in it,

[38:39] other people are interested and it's a valuable piece of property and that's why people

[38:41] are looking at it. I'm not as sure as the length and depth of the corporal reloads that

[38:50] will go there. But that's wonderful thing about this process is that if you become

[38:55] a better on this I'm not saying you definitely get it. But you're in the game to do

[38:58] it. And if we we helped Dania, if we if we raise the value of this piece of property, that's

[39:04] a OK, I'm not here to give corporate welfare to a corporation that wants to come

[39:12] by this property by saying we're not here. Trust me. And I've heard from this day as

[39:15] before that, we're not gonna get it. We're not going to enough. We're not going to be

[39:19] there. Our number should be out there to be a number that we feel comfortable with

[39:24] before before you came today. And I appreciate everything you did. I'm glad you were

[39:26] there. We were still a 200 million dollars savings. With this coverage is original

[39:31] numbers, which when they were tasked by staff, they said put that building in the Dania

[39:38] Pointe building and give us the same exact thing. And it was still a 200 million

[39:42] dollars savings. I know it can be much more, you know, could be much more. But even

[39:45] 200 million dollars, a lot of money to save. >> Dania Pointe makes a very

[39:52] in my opinion, impressive argument. I agree with their argument. But when you save,

[39:56] if you can save taxpayers 250 million on one side. There's a way that we can make

[40:02] Dania Pointe Hall, you know, with any kind of tax revenue that they're looking at. Plus,

[40:08] I don't think there's been a study on how valuable that land becomes. If there's now X

[40:13] and another 1000 employees that are there full time. I think that we should stay in

[40:17] the game here. I think if there's corporations that want to bid for this property, they

[40:22] should bid for this property. They may be to us in which case we take our ball and we

[40:27] go home. We may not be the stalking horse on this, but I'll say again, do not think

[40:35] there's going to be 5 votes for 3 quarters of a billion dollars that the Gore private

[40:38] property. I've said that before. And the other thing I would say it's a lot of people

[40:43] think this is very fast. This is something that's happening fast. Well, that's because 2

[40:46] months ago, the issue didn't didn't. You know, we've we've dealt with this core property

[40:52] for what, 10 years dealing with joint government meetings. It was going to be a

[40:59] joint center. It was going not be a joint government center. You are going to go here. We

[41:01] were going to look there. It's been a multi-year, you know, 5, 6, 7, 10 year process. This

[41:07] is something that just came up. I think by anybody's imagination by anybody's

[41:13] facts, we save 200 million dollars right off the back. I think it's going to be much,

[41:18] much more than that. And this is in a rehab of a building. This this half of this

[41:23] building is really have most of the space is ready to go. We have a risk management

[41:26] department. They had a risk management department. It's basically the same thing. We

[41:33] have a human relations. They had human relations department and I know people say, well,

[41:39] there's HIPPA things. There's this that the other thing when you tour the spirit building

[41:42] on the first floor where they have their HR in the back, they had to hit the area, too,

[41:46] because they have the same thing that we have. It's all very much the same. I think we

[41:51] should push us forward if it takes another week to do it, we should be able to do it.

[41:56] And if somebody out bids us, we should shake their hand. And if we are the stalking

[42:03] horse bidder and somebody comes to us and says I'm a new airline. I want to set up shop

[42:06] here. We could say have at it. You with this is mean, we definitely have to buy it by

[42:13] becoming and the game here. And I think that there's a lot that can happen if the

[42:17] alliance has a company, that's a great company for Dania Beach and it works for the

[42:21] county. We talk about. That. We're going. I too. First of all, I just want to mention, I

[42:35] totally agree with the mayor from. >> Dania Beach and I wanted to

[42:40] just mention the the taxes that are paid by spirit right now. This is this year's

[42:45] proposed tax taxes, 700 and 50. Yes, 715 million, 688. And then the total ad valorem

[42:58] taxes and so forth that they pay or 2.8 million dollars. So we just so we know what. But

[43:06] the last possibly could be for Virginia Beach. I I said this at at the meeting and I'm just

[43:14] going to repeat it. I think we need to put the brakes like the idea that we're sitting

[43:20] here. Some people are sitting here and saying it's well, now we're not going to spend

[43:24] 600 Million. We're going to spend 300 million or 259. We should be putting the brakes

[43:28] on everything right now. We are looking at a dangerous Advil tax issue on the agenda

[43:35] that could kill this county. And you talk about affordable housing. This has nothing to

[43:42] do with affordable housing are hold everything we would be doing would be cut all across

[43:45] the board. I feel at this point that this is this is a horrible message to send to

[43:53] people. To go out there and do this. When we own a piece of property already at 65 million

[44:01] dollars, the Gore billion building. I mean, how much do we want to have here? And

[44:06] something would have to be go if we got it. And this this piece of paper, I'm sorry,

[44:13] having in the building, a carpeted drive, kinds of construction business. family.

[44:21] I have this is estimated cost. Nobody knows. Nobody knows what the cost would be to

[44:25] renovate this building. Absolutely not. So I just feel like we're looking at

[44:30] something that's so. Going to be so difficult for so many people in this county.

[44:36] Everything we care about in services. Can be can be done. Reduced dramatically. So for

[44:44] me, I am not going to support doing this. And even if we're saving, we're not saving.

[44:50] We're not saving 250 million dollars. We're spending 250 million dollars and I'm

[44:55] not willing to do that. And by the way, we compare down the Gore building plans to we can

[45:05] plant, we can we can make the same kind of facility that we're talking about here. We

[45:09] don't have to have the big offices. We don't have to have a lot of the things that are

[45:13] in that building. We do need is a childcare center in that building. But we don't need of

[45:18] this other stuff that we have there. And we could. We could we could save several

[45:21] 100 million dollars in that building. Well said the since the I agree with you. I agree

[45:29] with the mayor. Also, thank you. Do not want to. We rushed into a decision. I think we've

[45:40] been planning. >> A lot on where we want to go and how how we wanted to

[45:42] look. And some point, if you to, if you have to pump the brakes are pumped the brakes.

[45:47] But we have enough information. To do that today. I think it's just a knee-jerk

[45:51] reaction of like to see us move forward. Take the bull today. I want to kick the can

[45:55] of the week, but I want to speak to this property. want to raise here. I've seen 5

[46:02] renditions on that property. Investment. Downturn. Torn down. Build something else.

[46:13] Investment. One Dow bill, something else investment on down to build something else

[46:21] when they would want that. 95, the Grand Prix was relocated. There before the Grand Prix.

[46:26] Those addition of what they thought would work at that property. And before that

[46:32] powers will was there when I was kid. So it was a small. Temple of Disney World. role?

[46:39] But that was part of So wouldn't go to calls that he built. So, Dana, his struggle.

[46:50] development based my of debt. So we look at this. 100 million dollar investment.

[46:57] And I read this and going to bring in. The 800 million dollar. Thank you. Point

[47:03] development has transformed. Thank you. Beach into a regional Travon, massive tax

[47:09] revenues, job growth, corporate investment. Why didn't who? Could mix Mixed

[47:18] use project has fundamentally reshape the local economy. Through 4 main pillars. The

[47:25] revenue generation. The job creation, the corporate location. The mixed use

[47:31] expansion. And if we take that opportunity way, we always. We always turn to window. We're

[47:43] trying to validate company coming here, Maria, they wait the pants, a situation of who

[47:50] they bring the town to entertain. We go to Bob Sunday. But today. We

[47:56] dismissed in effect. And I've had numerous conversations Bill because I want to know if

[47:59] there was any other interest in this property and there's nothing else. The developments

[48:08] downtown today. I was very much a part of it. We are running out of space. There

[48:13] are no opportunities for big companies to come here because you don't have a mask. The

[48:16] Lamb Mayor Mike does well and industrial peace because they have all that land at

[48:25] company's at the Cubs. Se. All of the tract. Is craze going out there, bringing companies

[48:30] to town? We don't have that here. We have an opportunity with the of investment may

[48:35] have a 65 billion dollars across the street. I want keep going in that direction. But I

[48:42] want to pump the brakes. I want to take the vote up or down. What we do because we

[48:50] can keep keep changing scenarios. Day day out. I don't do. Overnight projects

[48:58] is I work in industry and I do a lot of time before I go out and say I can build something

[49:05] 4 x amount of dollars because typically what happens in in the real world. I got eat that

[49:11] cost. But what as a government agency? The 450 the 200 meter 300 not turn into twice the

[49:21] amount of money. Once we get any real last. It is not the space that we can utilize day

[49:26] one like has been said So I'd like to see is pump the brakes. I think this is a

[49:33] great opportunity for our economy to keep growing in Dania. Dania has done well.

[49:38] And that was I think it's gonna one of the first projects that may. Less. For

[49:42] in perpetuity. Because of what they put there. What they put their to sustain that space.

[49:50] If you go step further. We can't do that. This footprint, we can decide we're going to

[49:57] stop. And then it could bring major corporation. had a brow bullet and that footprint that

[50:01] footprint works for We purchased the property with intent to do that. Dania Beach

[50:04] point. Should be exactly what it was built to be when it opened 2 years ago. It's a

[50:11] great building. It has a space we're only talking about you last half of the space of

[50:16] these of this parcel and we'll talk a piece in between that we could have a future of

[50:24] future building. Our future building is where we've already invested our time and

[50:28] talents. And we can put brakes on all of these projects if need be. But Daniel Point, my

[50:33] commissioners today, his vote this up or down. The only thing I think that will be

[50:38] question of the city attorney the county attorney There are 2 members missing here today.

[50:48] How does that play out with a vote today? And I'm not trying to kill. We do want to make

[50:52] sure that what we're doing can be justified. The votes. Yeah, it's these or

[51:00] >> extraordinary circumstances. The spirit, issue came up on very short

[51:05] notice. We're dealing with bankruptcy court deadlines were also technically we have

[51:10] workshop today. But because we're we thought we were researching for meetings. We

[51:14] have 2 commissioners who are out of the country. You know, this board knows I've been

[51:19] around for a while. I'm always very conservative in terms of whether remote should count,

[51:24] it would be my strong preference not to do vote. I'm risk-averse. I was like that

[51:29] better. So it's better to do it. It in person. But if we had 5 affirmative votes,

[51:38] including remote boats. I I think God, if the thought that they were in order for these

[51:44] extraordinary circumstances, I think we'd be able to sustain it. That would be valid and

[51:49] that if there were problem with it, that we there would be some flexibility, 2 things

[51:57] that I wouldn't say that. But for the circuit, I don't want to come one of us. I want.

[52:04] >> Yeah, we interview that we can do this with the makeup that we have today with 2 out

[52:07] of town not being present to move this forward so that we can put this to bed or I'm not

[52:12] moving it forward, might recognize. So I want the legal opinion so that seems like

[52:20] when we started this and the presentation of them, it was because of the absences. We

[52:25] couldn't do it but we can't do it. Yeah. The mayor knows every member of this board

[52:31] knows that I'm extremely reluctant to do so. But these are unique circumstances.

[52:34] They're extraordinary certain we can do. And I believe that we would prevail.

[52:40] >> In court if it came down to it. So the answer would be yes, but I also want you to

[52:42] know that the law is a little murky on this. Their old opinions. They don't really

[52:47] cover Statute doesn't cover it. So my my statement to my legal opinion and so

[52:54] reinforced by my team because we fought internally is yes, we could do it and our bill

[52:58] would be sustained in court if came down to it. Yes. Thank you for that. With are just

[53:04] too this up and down. >> Obviously >> this it's enticing to see

[53:15] this. And it's, you know, this. You see a property like that. And and I can understand

[53:20] why it's, you know, attractive to those the support. It. But I do have a problem of the

[53:26] optics at this time, particularly with the property tax looming. I mean, we may

[53:32] have stands, For a while. That's that's just the reality of it because we don't know

[53:37] what kind of money we're going to be having coming in on tax revenues. It may be we may not

[53:42] have a choice. And I don't want us to get so far out ahead that we can be coming

[53:47] back. If we may have seen here for years and that, okay, the last thing we you want to do

[53:53] is I think showing the public that we're about spent a whole lot of money when, you know,

[53:59] that just gives them reason to vote against. thing is and I've said this numerous times.

[54:09] The you know, when I think of county building, I have my own. You know, I think of he

[54:13] would like him, you know, children. You have the main building in the square or

[54:16] borders towns. I've lived in where it's the people's building. And if feels like

[54:21] and looks like that's I still would rather see that the fact that we're we're about to

[54:29] build where we're going is a cartographic center of the county seat corner and used

[54:35] great. That's the view know north South East West. the corner. Easy access. And I

[54:41] think access is a very important thing here. You know, people have to be able

[54:46] sometimes they have to come here and you've got to make it. So it's easy for the other

[54:53] part in to Bob. I think I would like if there's a chance of doing the analysis of

[54:59] showing the multiplier effect, what happens when you have 1000 people spending money

[55:04] into place? What does that turn into the because the tax revenues, one part of it. The

[55:09] multiplier effect is by far. The bigger. As a as Mike and in Kentucky. You know. Danny

[55:17] Point is it's doing well, but it's not. It's still, you know, you don't want to take

[55:24] out from under You know what support help supporting it right across the street in the

[55:31] coming year as you're about to have a lot of development as well. So you're going to you

[55:36] know, you're having couple areas are very dependent on that kind of multiplier effect

[55:41] to keep it going. So we know for those kind of things on not inclined to be supporting

[55:48] this right now. I do. I don't think it makes and I don't think the timing is right. And

[55:54] I think for a city like Dania and Hollywood, both the right on the line right there. This,

[56:04] you know, begins to write their it makes a difference. It helps support it. Those

[56:07] kind of jobs are in the fact that we might have another very big industry come in. You

[56:13] know, we're bored or or or business I think don't you want take that away? I think

[56:19] we're on the right track where we're going. I think it was the right place. I It gives us

[56:27] the opportunity to build the way we what we can scale it down. We can do whatever we

[56:30] have to do and we don't have to build it tomorrow. We have our choice. We can. We can. We

[56:36] can do what we do when it when we when it makes sense. But we need to send a message to the

[56:43] people in this county that we're not going to be that we're not spending w****

[56:47] nilly. And then we understand what's in front of them. And we're going we're going to do

[56:52] the right thing. So that's the and that's one thing. I think you do want to everyone for

[56:58] put it doing all. This is a lot of work. Thanks for letting us see it. I like what

[57:02] I saw in terms that I didn't think was a government building. But I was glad to be

[57:06] able to see it. So thank you for that. That's that's my thoughts right now.

[57:10] Commissioner, thank you, Mayor >> Mr. Swinney Bell and to Commissioner Dean. Would you

[57:19] please share those companies that you've been dealing with and talking to? Because I

[57:22] issue city spoke to a couple of them. I just want to see the magnitude of the companies

[57:28] that that's what can ask in public. And so you when you can, and for someone not just

[57:35] luxury months with these companies, they can talk one on one.

[57:38] >> Excuse me, one on one with commissioners. If they choose to. Like I said, you know,

[57:44] hopefully. That I've been doing this. You've got some trust in me. I wouldn't tell

[57:49] you that they work. Well known. Remarkable companies that are looking at this. I

[57:57] want to see cup. A competition. this pains me because to lie commissioners

[58:00] that have been great business advocates and you're approaching this like a

[58:03] business with and that's what we're competing with business. This is a unique site Broward

[58:06] County. I can't disclose the company's name specifically, but I can tell you that they

[58:12] would be substantial and trust me. We have worked with them trying to save them in Broward

[58:16] County previously commissioner >> I have been called by multiple companies and

[58:24] multiple different hedge funds. I don't think they were official like with this is we

[58:27] want to do this and we might do this. But I think it's you might want I haven't had as

[58:33] much experience as Drew has had with bankruptcy. I mean, maybe they don't want Broward

[58:39] County to be in this bankruptcy game. But I have a feeling that it's, you know,

[58:41] for what everyone is saying. They want Broward County to be there for a lot of different

[58:46] reasons. In this bankruptcy court. But like I said, it's it's a free market. And if

[58:52] somebody out bids us, they out that President. >> I just want I get to the

[58:56] company's. I want to see what the competition was. And I don't want to get into

[59:00] bankruptcy world. explain that several times to the to the commission, but time

[59:07] definitely and 40 is not on our side. So we do need to make a decision very quickly.

[59:11] We're 8 days away from find the bankruptcy court that we are in tension to be a better.

[59:17] Or that we submit our stalking horse offer. So time is again, not our size. It is becoming

[59:23] time is of the essence for that? I said publicly that I'm bullish on this. I I have been

[59:34] from the beginning, especially when I visit it. But now I have grave concerns basically

[59:42] from the memorandum that we received last evening from the attorney's office. That

[59:47] concerns me puts the county position that I don't know that we want to be. And I just

[59:53] want to bring that to light. Yes, you could. You come forward because I know that

[59:59] you are been dealing with like talk to because council day for yesterday outside counsel

[1:00:04] got their feelings on a couple of things. But what concerns me of this June 15th memo are

[1:00:09] several things and what the public understand that. Kim Co national international firm

[1:00:18] that owns and operates shopping centers, malls. Developments such as the new

[1:00:26] point there, the developer, the master developers of that. And when you do a master

[1:00:28] development plan, mixed use. You. Create a document, you create rules, regulations, you

[1:00:34] create. Development agreement you to do to create all these rules and so forth and gives

[1:00:44] them much more power and rightly so. Because what they want to do is they want to

[1:00:49] kind of control what's in that and their development, their spending, billions of dollars.

[1:00:54] Developing this site. They want to make sure they protect their tickets that have been

[1:00:57] there today. The ownerships that are in there today. So I get that. But to the extent

[1:01:04] that >> providing. Rights to them kind of over even.

[1:01:14] >> A city like new beach. And I say that because if you look in the restrictions, you look

[1:01:16] in the guidelines. In order to even get a variance on something you might want to do

[1:01:22] with the site. You have to go through them before you say the city davies's. Yeah. We'll

[1:01:28] give you that variants. Kym Koch and say my sorry, you're not gonna get that variance

[1:01:34] because you're not going to be able to do that because of our development rights in orders.

[1:01:40] Which concerns me. And so I was talking to the and you look in the memo, you talk

[1:01:47] about, I just read it here provides the campus honor, which would be Cannot seek a

[1:01:54] variance amendment or modification to the plan. The PD the mixed use development.

[1:01:58] Without the prior written consent, which means tempo. Any second the first point was

[1:02:05] actually to that. There's a camp here which means common area maintenance fees, right?

[1:02:11] So when you're in a masterful a plan, you have like the kind H.O.A. per se, but you have to

[1:02:16] pay your portion of the grass getting caught in and maintenance of the facilities,

[1:02:21] the roads because he's a private roads in here. So you have all these things that you

[1:02:23] have to do. And that's a cost to that. And I understand yes to that. We have not even been

[1:02:32] provider, cannot get from Cam Co what the camp costs are. >> So we haven't been able to

[1:02:39] get the actual cost. current cost paid by spirit for their allocation. We've been trying

[1:02:43] to work with those spirits Council and the Kim code to get that information. But we

[1:02:49] did. We have not been able to get >> And I understand that. But

[1:02:55] we talked about today that the communication with Kim Cohen, he's against, can't go by

[1:02:57] communication a camp go. Is that? They only put. answers and that the only responded

[1:03:04] was via e-mails. Correct? We can't have that. We have a to have a Kirk conversation with

[1:03:10] them because here here getting that is. Is that the current use of the facility, the

[1:03:16] property today, his office and correct if I'm wrong is asked. And so we want to change the

[1:03:21] used to a government use. It's a permitted use. In the city of Dania Beach allows it. They

[1:03:30] say yes, you could permitted use for area. This particular property you can use

[1:03:32] government. However. However. Kim Kohat my understanding has the right. To dictate the use.

[1:03:44] That's it's not what exists today. So here's the problem there. And here's the problem

[1:03:49] Commission is that? >> They will not give us a preapproval written letter.

[1:04:00] >> Stating that we can use this property for what we want to use. Is that correct?

[1:04:06] >> They haven't stated that. So there, you know, they've stated that they're trying to

[1:04:08] treat us at what's to create arm's length with respect to all the interested parties in

[1:04:13] the transaction. And so they'll provide information to us but are not necessarily

[1:04:19] negotiating with or at least what they've told us any of the bidders as to our specific

[1:04:25] uses. They're just telling us you know, answers factual question.

[1:04:32] >> So have you asked them for a preapproval? Letter from them that they will pre

[1:04:39] approve us as a use of the facility. We have not specifically ask for proof. So

[1:04:43] I think that's very important because if we do not have in writing. From Kim Co that we

[1:04:52] can use this facility for what we want to use. We want to have commission chambers, we

[1:04:58] whatever those that laundry list issues that we need to use this property for. If we

[1:05:02] don't receive written approval from them. Then this you because we can't buy a

[1:05:06] property. A bit on the property, much less buy a property. And all of a sudden

[1:05:12] we're told we can use it for what our use. So again, get in the bankruptcy arena. We are

[1:05:18] today as is where is no continue. See, says we can't say our purchases. Ciliving is

[1:05:24] subject to getting approvals of these uses. So it's very important to me. I can't vote

[1:05:31] on something that I can say to the public. Yeah, we can buy so we can use what we want to

[1:05:34] use it for. >> And I'm understanding that thing they even that to us

[1:05:40] without asking us what we have an asset. But I'm asking mayor, we've got to find that

[1:05:43] out. First before we can even move forward because without that. The title, when will see

[1:05:54] transaction as commissioner UT nose and real estate transactions, you have a title

[1:05:57] commitment to title policy. Right? And in the due diligence, period, they

[1:06:02] provided a title commitment and they have schedule bees, which is basically a list of

[1:06:09] restrictions or things that have to be satisfied prior to closing that transaction order

[1:06:14] for you to pass free clear title right? always and conferences. Isn't. Is it

[1:06:19] something here? Yes, sir. She should me some meat. My understanding it had looked at

[1:06:25] the title yet on title. say all agree on. Policy you know, first, American or felt like

[1:06:33] that. But my understand is how many schedule bees were 70. >> There were good after good

[1:06:42] morning. There were 7, 0, so many exceptions that I the office the county attorney

[1:06:46] along with County staff is review. >> And then you have the

[1:06:52] Declaration of Covenants, correct? That is correct. And how large is that document?

[1:06:54] Has close to 100 pages. One of plus amendments. So that's another mayor and

[1:07:03] commissioners with what we have to make sure is that the title itself that we can even

[1:07:06] adhere to those exceptions in the title. >> It also also the decoration

[1:07:11] of confidence that we can even adhere to as well. So again, Dylan, the bankruptcy court,

[1:07:16] we've got 8 days away from our attention to be a better or to submit a stalking horse offer.

[1:07:24] Without this extensive due diligence. This still needs to be done. But more importantly.

[1:07:27] Get it in writing from Pimco was controlling this whole deal. understand they might

[1:07:32] even want to be a better. So you're competing with again. The original developer

[1:07:37] competing with the market, the private sector and now a loss. We're pretty much are. We

[1:07:41] really are. And I again, I've been bullish on this the whole time when Commissioner Union

[1:07:46] border forward, I said no way when saw the facility saw the opportunities that we could be

[1:07:52] there. I thought it would really work for us to save the hundreds of millions of

[1:07:54] dollars that I'm hearing. But the day, we don't have it in writing, but we can exactly do

[1:07:59] it. I mean, exactly. We can put commission chambers and there we can park them there.

[1:08:03] We can use your roads there. We can use X x* if we don't have that in writing. This is

[1:08:09] null and void as far as I'm concerned and then deal with the title issue separately. So

[1:08:15] that's what really, really concerns me at this tea at this late hour. Unfortunately,

[1:08:20] see this, I think at 8 o'clock last night. And again, I commend you for due diligence

[1:08:25] and it needs to continue because the obviously is very extensive. I haven't been in

[1:08:28] the data room, but I leave that to the experts when it comes to that. But so that's

[1:08:32] my feeling. Is point? just commissioner decided on that, right? So we are continuing to

[1:08:39] do diligence. We've, you know, as you state, we may not >> be in a position to be the

[1:08:43] stalking horse to next week. But if you know, the board wanted to to be something on,

[1:08:48] the extended >> But by nursing talking to legal counsel, council, you

[1:08:53] have. Preferential treatment, but you have the better in sight. If you become stalking

[1:09:02] horse or least play the game as a stalking horse, you have the ability to gain more

[1:09:07] information, more opportunities, then you would just coming in as outside

[1:09:11] bitter to the day for the July 23rd options going to take place, correct?

[1:09:16] >> That's correct. But just based on the information that year, you know that you just

[1:09:21] raised the facts that you just raise, which is that by next week, we probably do not have

[1:09:25] the information 2 because stalking horse means that on the 24th we have assigned per

[1:09:29] purchase agreement. Right? So we are committed to purchasing the asset at that point.

[1:09:34] >> there's a draw, no continue sees Koukash as is where is and so. Probably will not have

[1:09:40] the information. We noticed that the use of the property by Good. Thank you.

[1:09:46] >> Mr. Met one second. I want them to go on numbers you over done. thank you. Mr. Mayor the

[1:09:56] first like to begin by thanking both you Commissioner Udin for bringing this matter

[1:09:59] up and pushing this. I think that efforts to save hundreds of millions of dollars are

[1:10:07] always fruitful. I think it shows the public. That we're really are trying to be as as

[1:10:16] frugal as we can. And I sincerely mean it when I say that. I appreciate both you

[1:10:23] and commissioner unity in for leading efforts to try and save us. Hundreds of millions

[1:10:28] of dollars. And I will say that as of yesterday, I was still undecided as to where I

[1:10:35] was as of today. I am not because 3 issues have come up that have decided in

[1:10:42] opposition to this. The first one is. At the last meeting I raised questions about where

[1:10:52] the alliance was based on a prior conversation. But at the time, I did not know exactly

[1:10:59] what that position of Mister Swindle was. Just a great questions this morning. I find

[1:11:06] found out what Mister Swindle its position is and how serious these discussions had

[1:11:11] And that is one of the 3 factors with which led me to the second one is I drove it

[1:11:19] today this morning. I just want to read the directions to directions to get to this

[1:11:27] building are go to Broward Boulevard. Take a right on what's The I was coming due

[1:11:36] West, a wave on offer of Stirling Road. So I just came east from West. Stirling Road

[1:11:43] to 18th Avenue to Point Boulevard to North campus, way to Rady and Drive. And by the

[1:11:49] way, I lost a GPS but cause North campus way doesn't have a street sign on. So it had to

[1:11:59] go around that. I don't think is the appropriate location for for a government center to

[1:12:07] have it in the middle of a master development where candidly, as I said a GPS, I

[1:12:13] got lost. But the major factor, the when I read it and said no. It's the

[1:12:22] same issue. That my colleague Commissioner Fisher just brought up. I think all of,

[1:12:32] you land use attorney. When I read the memo from Anika this morning. I looked at that and

[1:12:40] said it is impossible for us to close on this property with all of these Kathy Ot's it

[1:12:49] could get it for. 300 million dollars or 400 million dollars last. If we can't use the

[1:12:57] building the way we want to use it, it's a white elephant. And having read the memo as an

[1:13:05] attorney has a zoning and land use attorney, I looked at that and said you can close on

[1:13:09] this. You know, we just we can't we don't know if we'll be able to use the building

[1:13:16] the way we need to use the building. So I honestly yesterday with still

[1:13:23] undecided, I told you at the last meeting I thought they were merits on both sides. And

[1:13:29] but today based on that those 3 issues, I did reach my decision and it's I I would

[1:13:34] not be able to support it. Having said that, I want to close by just again, thanking

[1:13:41] Commissioner you Dean, a new Mr mayor for doing this. If you want talk to you, you're

[1:13:45] mayor, you want to put it do whatever you want. Bot whenever we do vote on this,

[1:13:51] I'm going to be opposed to this. Also aided represent all of Dania Beach. And I was in

[1:13:56] the Senate and I still always have warm and the city of represented. And I'm trying to

[1:14:01] be nice to Dania Beach because I used to represent that. So whatever you want to do, Mr.

[1:14:07] Mayor, terms of when we vote, but I will be voting no. >> And take 60 seconds and

[1:14:14] handed back to Commissioner Eugene because it's his item by 60 seconds are basically

[1:14:18] this. This item is dead in the water. If we don't get as commissioner Fisher said, if

[1:14:25] we don't get that assurance is that we can use the building and property as we would want

[1:14:29] use it. And that's one of the reasons why I was going to ask Commissioner you Dean 2 differ

[1:14:32] this because it even if we set a meeting for next week, if we can't get it, there's not

[1:14:38] going to be meeting because this thing is dead in the water. No matter what. You are

[1:14:40] not going to bid on something that we can't use. But I'm gonna spend the next 30

[1:14:45] seconds I understand that. But there's but having said I understand that I just I can't

[1:14:53] I just can let me just finish the 30 seconds. I just want to make sure it's clear with

[1:15:00] Senator Reid said about buying the property per 65 Million. And she mentioned the number

[1:15:06] 600 Million. The total amount of that building. we got from since COVID those numbers,

[1:15:10] certainly they could be change is close to 3 quarters of a billion. And so I just want

[1:15:14] make sure we are talking commissioner for just talked about the optics again. I

[1:15:21] think the opposite it's a good point. But then the optics of our other alternative

[1:15:25] spending, 3 quarters of a billion is horrible optics as well. Then you should agree

[1:15:29] with that. If we're going to pump the brakes. Spice mayor said it is that we pump the

[1:15:33] brakes on everything we should be pumping. The brakes and everything. Last time we had a

[1:15:39] meeting, let's keep this going on across the street. If we're going to pump the brakes

[1:15:43] because it's a potential financial disaster coming, we should be pumping the brakes

[1:15:48] on everything I want to let you know, though, that I to make up these numbers since

[1:15:53] COVID that provided the original numbers we met yesterday. Their but they're

[1:15:58] like 2030%, based on what they have of. You know, they're testament 100% accurate. But I

[1:16:06] didn't just make up these numbers. We spend an hour and have talking about where would

[1:16:10] come in if we did certain things differently. So I just want to make sure, you know,

[1:16:14] you know that. and even with the current situation, if if we were able to get what we

[1:16:18] need, we'd still be saving 200 million with that said, I since I don't know if there's

[1:16:24] a need to continue. Do continue because he what he wants to defer. He wants to

[1:16:30] withdraw the item so I could recognize the people on the phone. you know, Commissioner

[1:16:37] Davis and Commissioner Rogers, but I think the item, which is brought by commissioner you

[1:16:40] Dean, he wants to pull it. you talk to OK committee, you know, Commissioner Rogers and

[1:16:49] Commissioner knowing there and still want to speak on this. >> At it's not necessary. He's

[1:16:54] going to try the item just so, you know, basic. I do have concerns as well. mean,

[1:17:01] forward on that building. It also won't be available next week, either.

[1:17:10] >> You won't be available for a phone or in person or both. >> In-person rba No OK, we

[1:17:20] could have our meeting in Orlando even to the We'll have a meeting and is safe for you.

[1:17:24] That's OK, no problem of the commission. work, not Commissioner

[1:17:37] >> Just to clear up one or 2 things, I did speak to David Coddington. The dad brought

[1:17:42] this up like a month ago and he said, you know, there would be companies that are going to

[1:17:44] look at this. And I think David would tell you my exact answer to him. Most keep going

[1:17:49] on that route because if there's companies that are looking at it, there should be

[1:17:52] you're not insulting me by saying there's companies that are going to look at this the

[1:17:59] wonderful thing about the private sector's, they can be a little bit more nimble.

[1:18:01] We're never going to get the answers to your questions by next week. Anyway. And I guess

[1:18:07] all of this will be proved out by the marketplace in the next few weeks. I'm going withdraw

[1:18:13] my motion. I'm not asking for that to be put up to vote next week August. When we come back

[1:18:18] from vacation or when we come back from break, we can see what the situation is by then.

[1:18:22] I'm sure we'll have a big company that's interested in. will have other companies that

[1:18:27] will a bit on this. And I guess we're going to get to say how this plays out. But

[1:18:32] we're not going to be able to get to a place no matter how long we stay here today or

[1:18:35] even if we came next week. To where we need to be. So I withdraw the motion.

[1:18:45] >> Are you saying you don't want us to set up another meeting? Is that your

[1:18:50] position? >> I'm not. We can set up another meeting, but it

[1:18:51] doesn't have to be a special meeting next week because we're going to be the same

[1:18:53] place. They're not going to get these Anybody in that we're not at 5 in the other.

[1:18:59] In the situation we do get insurance is doing its of the media.

[1:19:04] >> Not before Brett. We're not. We don't do this week. I'll do it and will do it in

[1:19:06] August. If somebody comes in out bids us. >> Then we shake their hand.

[1:19:12] We bring there's no there's no bidding. We something about it. If somebody comes in and

[1:19:16] takes a property, I'm hearing from everybody that there's so many different interested

[1:19:19] bettors in this. I guess we're going to be proved out. >> During July about how

[1:19:24] correct that is. I have a feeling that a lot of people were waiting to see what

[1:19:28] Broward County was going to do because we are the best and natural user for that space.

[1:19:33] The companies that are going to look at that >> are not going to have the

[1:19:39] So just to let you know, I'm gonna talk to council. If there's a way we can get

[1:19:41] assurances great if not dead. morning we have for a vote. It will be mayor.

[1:19:48] >> I don't think I don't think it's dead. It could come back in August. You can like it. I

[1:19:54] like it anybody else. Can bring it Just I'm not gonna make everybody come for a

[1:19:56] special meeting next I know we're not gonna have the answers. If we have these

[1:20:00] answers and you think that there's an ability to do that, somebody else can ask for

[1:20:02] special that. Mr. if you do ask for special meeting as Commissioner Davis said, I'm

[1:20:11] leaving Tuesday She's leaving. So could you do it on Tuesday? You do Monday, Monday or

[1:20:16] Tuesday, just not after Tuesday. >> keep in mind, mayor, that

[1:20:22] Wednesday is the deadline to provide the intention to bid and a stalking horse offer. So

[1:20:25] we need to have time from legal to be Oprah for and provide a stalking So we're is

[1:20:32] of the other on the legal side. We'll move forward. right. I unless we're going to

[1:20:38] call them will get together. >> With administration, write with to me. We're going to

[1:20:44] call them my I'm told we've asked things we've asked for certain information. We may

[1:20:51] have not asked that the right way. We're going to ask for definitive information if we

[1:20:56] have it, then we can. We will move forward with the due diligence will let the mayor

[1:20:58] know we can call a special meeting if we're not going to get the assurances but say by

[1:21:03] tomorrow or, you know, sufficient information then will advise the mayor of will

[1:21:08] be no special meeting called in commissioner Eugene said. And as you're saying,

[1:21:13] Commissioner Fisher will miss the opportunity through the bankruptcy court debate on

[1:21:16] this. But we'll see what happens. And you never say never, you know afterwards. So

[1:21:23] >> that's fine by Listen, I'm told Kim Cole has a prize on their hands. So they may not

[1:21:28] want to deal with us. They may want to deal with because the values can be there. I would

[1:21:34] rather senator of anybody can touch. Richard, you want us to I just want to make one. I

[1:21:37] want to correct the record for debate and the debate for units.

[1:21:42] >> Because I I was I was looking at this and I didn't speak accurately. So I was

[1:21:45] reading from the proposed property taxes, 4 and for for a spirit for this year. And so

[1:21:54] I just want to clarify the person, the portion that was the county Commission tax was

[1:22:01] 755 1 million, 668,000 1000 yet sorry million. sorry. Excuse me. 765,668. The Dania

[1:22:15] Beach portion was 799,000. That was the tax and the total tax of all valorem taxes in

[1:22:23] the county that spirit paid was 2 million, $80800,000. So I just want it clear what the

[1:22:31] tax base is and probably what any company that Mr window was talking about could be

[1:22:37] providing the same tax base for the county. So that's that part. And the second part is I

[1:22:41] just want to make it really clear. Have said over and over, I want to put the brakes

[1:22:46] on everything there. Mayor, I'd like you to hear this, please. court. I I have said I

[1:22:55] don't want to spend 7 per of But I'm talking to you, please. Okay. I I I don't want

[1:23:01] to spend 700 million dollars 1000 million dollars on on the current land. Property that we

[1:23:10] have with Gore. I don't want to go out right now and do anything. I've said it again

[1:23:16] and again. So I just want to make it clear. I'm not voting ever to spend that kind of

[1:23:22] money building either. But I'm not voting to spend I'm not going to spend anything while

[1:23:27] we're dealing with the Evelyn tax issue. Okay. That's it. Okay. Great.

[1:23:36] >> Commissioner Rogers, I just didn't hear from you. Did you want to add anything?

[1:23:44] >> Commissioner the mayor? Yes. OK, I And the same position. The more I to this

[1:23:55] debate and I see that on resident of the county. I am with Senator. And then

[1:24:05] Relieving maybe we need it. The decision that impact budget without knowing really

[1:24:15] what our coaches going So that where am right now? Am glad that we're going Later date,

[1:24:25] based on what the attorneys David. Whether or not there's an opportunity for us, the

[1:24:30] county to her. need As I stand right now, I am. Reporting what manager Ridge they did. I

[1:24:42] don't believe we need to for the incumbent, you know, go out and commit for And fact,

[1:24:51] the 100 until we know where revenue cent. But the voters in all colors.

[1:24:58] >> Thank you. I believe the covers are meeting for this. So so so so mayor, it sounds

[1:25:08] like and just to summarize, it sounds like we have at least 5 people who or at least alright

[1:25:14] mate, but at least 5, you agree, Sevens at least other. That is that a book? You my my

[1:25:18] point is just to should we not what we We both do. It only a vote not to do it. The we no

[1:25:25] power means So we'll we'll ask him the question. I don't get the answer. We're not gonna

[1:25:33] spend more money and do Yeah. It's that okay. Okay. Okay. I just wanted to make sure

[1:25:37] because I >> Can you guys please use your microphones? I'm sorry.

[1:25:45] >> I'm if it's withdrawn, I don't think there's anything withdrew it. There's nothing

[1:25:47] to vote on. He would resign. Mayor, I was just saying if it were possible that are coming

[1:25:53] back, we want to do the due diligence. But it sounds like that's not going to happen. So

[1:25:56] stop religion says see if they'll be willing to give a letter. One question one want

[1:26:00] know when you said seven-on-seven your thing, your own numbers. If we got

[1:26:04] that churns, I think Commissioner Fisher said he would be bullish on correct I

[1:26:09] can get if I want to get all the shirts exactly what we can do this property and I would

[1:26:13] definitely look at it again for sure. And also make sure that the title issues are good

[1:26:15] with the decoration of cupcakes. That too was an issue with the but those 2

[1:26:20] things. And then you like to make decision that if we give, you know, Senator Geller, new

[1:26:24] GPS system, he might be able to get, you know, you might be able to find it and therefore

[1:26:30] he might change his vote. Who to book? What are over we're done. There's a more to So we

[1:26:37] don't I just want to clarify, though, I agree with what Commissioner Fisher said. It's

[1:26:43] not just one letter we're talking about. It's just it's the whole panoply of there's

[1:26:48] no point in moving forward. If you don't have a city, much talent, Broward counties not

[1:26:52] going to be there to prop up their bid. Right now, we'll have another shot to get this.

[1:26:55] >> It's fine. We'll have a You know, we will up watch. Let's see how the bankruptcy auction

[1:27:01] goes. If we're not there. >> Okay. Any Joining the meeting doing I would.

[1:27:12] >> journey to go to get a journey that morning go to for that we're doing anything out

[1:27:18] of mine to go. Why do we need to go to 4.30? Why can't we just say here? Cause we have

[1:27:22] it all set up there. And if we just want what set up there, all the everything's in the

[1:27:27] room are were But to clarify, just drew, do you know what you guys are dying? You know,

[1:27:32] so so right now. >> You don't have authority to submit a stalking horse bid to

[1:27:37] submit a letter of interest or anything else starting change is we're going to make a

[1:27:41] couple of calls. We'll let the mayor know. We'll take it from there. That's maybe they'll

[1:27:46] call us.

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