[0:08] Good evening. Welcome to this Brownsburg town working session. Today, our meeting will focus on the design aspect of the Brownsburg Aquatic Center Project.

[0:17] We appreciate everyone's presence this evening, and participation in this matter tonight is important.

[0:22] The event is going to start with a presentation by Williams Architect. They are a consultant.

[0:27] After the presentation, there will be a Q&A session where you can ask questions. If you'd like to ask a question publicly, please add your name to a sign-up sheet at the back of the room.

[0:36] Each speaker will be given three minutes to speak and introduce a topic, a new topic for discussion.

[0:41] And finally, there will be a breakout session so that you can provide feedback on designs for the aquatic center.

[0:45] So once we get through the presentation, you get your questions asked, we will answer those questions,

[0:51] then there'll be a further breakout session where we'll go to the side boost here to talk to each person individually.

[1:03] At the start of the meeting, you were given a comment card.

[1:05] If you must leave before the meeting concludes,

[1:07] please fill out the card and hand it back to one of our staff members.

[1:10] Your feedback will be used to create an online Frequently Asked Questions section

[1:14] addressing any questions or concerns you may have expressed.

[1:17] If you're watching from home, you can leave us a comment online

[1:19] at brownsburg.org forward slash aquatic center.

[1:23] Now, Williams Architects is ready if you want to come up here

[1:25] and begin your presentation.

[1:33] Is the microphone working?

[1:34] All right. So I'm going to just jump right in.

[1:43] I will let the, sorry, before you get started there, I'll make one further announcement too while we're doing this and for the folks online.

[1:52] We're going to be having two additional public input sessions for the Aquatic Center.

[1:57] Those dates will be November 2, which is two weeks from today.

[2:02] And the next meeting will be November 14, which is almost a month from today.

[2:08] It's four weeks from today, minus a day.

[2:10] It'll be that Wednesday, the 14th.

[2:13] And then we will have the meeting start times and all that information post online when we finalize the starting times.

[2:21] But those will be the dates.

[2:22] All right.

[2:22] Sorry, Ted, go ahead.

[2:23] All right.

[2:25] Today, for the Aquatic Center, we're going to be sharing information about the building program.

[2:30] And then I'm going to share a high level site plan that kind of puts the site in context.

[2:36] and then we'll look at main and upper level plans of the building. George will

[2:42] jump in at that point and talk in a little more detail about the poor bodies

[2:46] themselves and then I'll share the exterior renderings of the building.

[2:50] We'll touch on what the budget is expected to be and then we'll answer

[2:55] questions after that.

[2:58] First, so this is a written description of what's

[3:02] included in the building itself.

[3:05] Big picture, it's about 24,000 square feet, slightly less.

[3:10] The largest component is obviously

[3:12] the indoor aquatics portion of the building

[3:15] at about 7,000 square feet.

[3:17] And then we have support facilities,

[3:20] locker areas, changing rooms, et cetera.

[3:24] Customer service aspects of the building are next.

[3:29] And then we do have some multi-use rooms.

[3:32] I'll talk about that in more detail

[3:33] when I share the plans.

[3:35] And then obviously the support spaces

[3:37] that are needed to run the building.

[3:41] You'll see a component on this program.

[3:44] It's called Parks and Rec Administration.

[3:46] That's called out as zero right now.

[3:49] During the original RFP for the project,

[3:52] it was anticipated that the building might have

[3:55] Parks and Rec staff offices in it,

[3:57] but we've made the decision to remove them from the program at this point in favor of

[4:04] including additional multi-use rooms for the community.

[4:09] And then the last chunk of the space is the common space, which would include the lobby

[4:14] area, toilet support, et cetera, and then an observation mezzanine that I'll show

[4:19] you on the plan, and then some miscellaneous square footage that's kind of built in

[4:24] the plan.

[4:27] This is a big picture view of the chunk of the site that we're using off of

[4:35] West Main Street for the building. You can see at the bottom there is the building itself

[4:40] in the pool. It shows that we're including approximately at this point 160 total parking

[4:48] stalls, but according to the zoning requirements, we need the land bank additional space for

[4:55] parking stalls. So that's kind of the green space between Main Street and then the parking

[5:01] lot you see there. And then off to the side is a potential future parking area. We just

[5:07] sketched that in because it was part of the kind of the overall master plan that

[5:12] we had access to.

[5:16] Next, so now I'm going to jump in. This is the main level plan itself.

[5:22] You can see at the front of the building is the main entry to the building is here.

[5:31] It enters into a public lobby space that kind of is controlled and monitored by this desk

[5:39] right here which would be the admissions desk for the entire pool area. There's

[5:44] that you enter here into a common locker space area

[5:48] and the direction we went with this in lieu of

[5:52] like men's and women's locker rooms

[5:55] are 14 unisex changing rooms.

[6:03] I think it results in probably a little less square footage

[6:06] dedicated to that kind of that overall area

[6:08] plus it increases functionality I would say.

[6:12] kind of an ancillary benefit to it is the lockers end up being out in the public spaces,

[6:19] which mean then you can be, those can be covered by cameras if you choose. It's kind of a way

[6:24] to help prevent theft. So those areas are here. Let me get my cursor. That's this area here.

[6:34] All of these, each of these little rooms here is a changing area. It's toilet, shower,

[6:39] sink combination blockers in this area here and then we call it a groom and

[6:45] counter shared countertop space. So from this area you can enter the indoor

[6:52] nadatorium at this point. During during the summer season when the outdoor pool

[6:59] is open you'd go down this hallway here and you'd enter the outdoor pool

[7:05] environment kind of through this vestibule. So adjacent to the outdoor pool on the building

[7:12] side of things is the one multi, we call it a multi-use room. It's intended to be focused

[7:18] on rental for birthday parties and things like that. The program also includes a concessions

[7:26] area right here. The intent behind that, the way it's laid out right now is we have

[7:32] a service window. We call it behind the fence of the pool so we could serve the pool area

[7:39] but since the building is part of the bigger master plan for the whole park we did want

[7:44] to allow for the opportunity for the concessions to be open while the outdoor pool is closed.

[7:53] So we have made two service windows for that concessions right now. This here is a building

[8:00] mechanical space.

[8:04] This is a slight difference from the early iterations of the plan and it was

[8:08] all done on the interest of saving money based on information from our mechanical engineers

[8:15] on that project. Behind the outdoor or behind the indoor pool at the back of the building is

[8:21] the pool mechanical room and that would serve both the indoor pool and the outdoor pool.

[8:28] So, the outdoor pool, deck space around the activity pool with a zero entry edge, and

[8:38] then we call this the Lazy River area here, like a current channel type of the thing.

[8:45] Seating around kind of the perimeter of the paved area, some canopies for shade in this

[8:54] area and then an area of turf right there. This here at the back is the, is a water slide.

[9:01] So two water slides actually, what do we call them? Those are the run-out slides, run-out

[9:08] slides, two run-out slides. So they, the intent there is you'd, instead of those slides

[9:14] going into the pool itself, you'd run out and slow down. That's what these lengths

[9:19] here are there. I'm going to jump quick to the upper level and then come back to

[9:26] this one. So this is the upper level of the building, open to below at the public

[9:34] lobby space in front and then the indoor and auditorium at the back. This is

[9:40] the space that was originally intended for Parks and Rec office space but

[9:46] instead during design we've changed it to two multi-use rooms each at about 800 square feet

[9:53] and those on the pool side they front like cursor go they they kind of the doors are off that

[10:00] observation deck and the intent behind that is a glass wall that separates that space from the

[10:07] pool below but that would be the spot where parents would be able to see into the pool

[10:13] while kids are in swim lessons, things like that.

[10:17] And then the last component on the upper level

[10:19] is this outdoor terrace on the right side of the plan.

[10:23] Right here.

[10:27] I think that covers generally the building plan.

[10:30] I'm gonna let Jor, too early, too early.

[10:36] Back to my,

[10:41] yeah, get back to my plan.

[10:42] Sorry.

[10:47] Go.

[10:54] Hey, good evening.

[10:55] So the one thing we wanted to talk about

[10:58] was really just the vision behind, including the bodies of water that we did. We wanted

[11:05] to be very intentional about providing opportunities for the entire community. And so at the outset

[11:13] that really went toward having indoor and outdoor water. Anytime we do outdoor aquatics

[11:22] only the question inevitably arises well that's that's great for 80 to 85 days

[11:28] out of the year but what about what about the rest of the year and so having

[11:32] this layout with the two bodies of water they really complement each other in

[11:35] terms of being able to offer the community aquatic opportunities on a

[11:39] year-round basis you know starting with the outdoor pool anytime we design

[11:43] an outdoor aquatic area we always want to have capacity we want to have

[11:50] thrill attractions and we want to have children's areas and those are the three

[11:53] main things that we want to incorporate into any design for outdoor

[11:57] aquatics and so with this plan we have all three of those we have the lazy river

[12:01] and you know shallow area as our capacity holder we have the water

[12:08] slides as the thrill attraction and then we also have the large zero depth

[12:13] entry with the different vertical sprays and plays for the children and

[12:18] And so we can really encompass something that will accommodate families together on the outdoor

[12:25] side and then complement that, you know, that water can also serve as programmable water

[12:31] in the summertime.

[12:32] You can run swim lessons out there.

[12:34] You can do resistance walking in the Lazy River before it opens to the public in

[12:38] the morning.

[12:40] And then on the indoor side, we really looked at, you know, A, that since the high school

[12:46] does have the 50 meter facility that we don't need this to be a large competitive venue but

[12:52] we wanted to incorporate some lap lanes for fitness swimming and then those can also double

[12:57] as good space for swimming lessons and water fitness classes but then also complement that

[13:03] with a zero depth entry again inside that we can have year round recreation for families

[13:10] and so specifically with the indoor side you know three lap lanes doesn't seem like a lot

[13:16] but that area can encompass, you know, six to nine lap swimmers at any given time.

[13:21] If you ran swim lessons at both ends, you could fit 24 to 30 kids just in that three-lane lap area

[13:28] in the morning and evening time every 40 to 45 minutes.

[13:33] If you're having a water fitness class, you know, you could have close to 30 people in that area,

[13:39] and so it can really accommodate a lot of different functions,

[13:42] A lot of the indoor recreational pools that we end up designing do have that minimum of

[13:47] three lap lanes just because it is such a versatile space and body of water.

[13:53] And then on the zero depth entry side, that's a great way to incorporate some ground sprays

[13:59] to have the younger kids in swimming lessons.

[14:02] So right here at the base of the zero depth entry, right here where we're getting

[14:09] down to that three foot.

[14:10] So we have you know some two and a half feet along this wall that we could run swimming lessons this way

[14:15] We'd have a three-foot area right here that we could run swimming lessons that way

[14:19] And so it is a great area functionally speaking where you could still have you know

[14:24] Swimming lessons going on in that shallow area, but then have lap swimming or water fitness going on in the lap

[14:29] Lane so we wanted to try to make sure that we had the proper spaces indoors to accommodate

[14:33] You know different types of aquatic programs all throughout the year

[14:47] Namna

[14:48] move to the exterior of the building, some images that we want to share.

[14:54] Right now, as far as the overall process, we just finished what we call schematic design.

[15:00] Which is the first design phase of the project. We finished that about three weeks ago.

[15:07] Technology nowadays lets you make photo realistic images of something that is at the very beginning of the design process.

[15:14] But I wanted to share images that we find attractive for this whole facility.

[15:22] Go back to the front. This is having

[15:28] trouble controlling my,

[15:35] going to use the old way.

[15:36] There

[16:00] we go. So this is the front of the facility that behind the two story glass

[16:05] wall that you see there that's the main lobby space for the building. This is

[16:10] facing you know north approximately north and it faces that parking lot

[16:18] that's out in front of the building. Over here on the left side here these

[16:22] are these are where those concession windows would be and then these

[16:26] This would be the stair up to that outdoor terrace on the second level.

[16:35] This is the side of the building, the side opposite the building of the pool area.

[16:43] Material-wise, we're trying to work with a couple of different materials.

[16:48] The gray panels, that's a smooth metal panel, the darker gray, that's a corrugated metal

[16:57] panel.

[16:58] and then that masonry in the middle is kind of an Indiana limestone color of masonry.

[17:06] As part of this, like I said, we're just leaving schematic design, one of the efforts we've

[17:11] been going through with the committee is reducing the amount of glass to a level that is acceptable.

[17:24] This is a view of the pool side of the building.

[17:27] we're standing on the concessions deck.

[17:32] One of the things you might notice in here is the concessions deck is fenced off from

[17:38] the pool itself.

[17:41] The intention behind that is, again, because the building is part of the bigger park, theoretically

[17:47] you'd be able to use the concession deck even when the outdoor pool is closed.

[17:58] bird's eye view of the entire facility.

[18:03] Any comments on that George?

[18:08] One of the

[18:08] things I think this is a good slide to use to talk a little bit about some of

[18:13] the organization that one of the reasons why the the plan is organized the way

[18:19] it is is because we wanted to reserve space kind of toward the bottom of the

[18:24] plan that would be a potential future location for deeper water you obviously

[18:30] don't need to make that decision now but you know if the outdoor pool wanted in

[18:34] addition it would happen kind of in that area and then you can see behind

[18:38] the building the trees over there that's part of the park but the master

[18:45] plan did anticipate at some point possibly doing an addition onto this

[18:49] building so that would be the side we would add on.

[18:58] So another view of the indoor or the outdoor

[19:01] pool area, this area, kind of this area right here in particular, that's the lifeguards and pool

[19:11] managers portion of the building. The intention behind that is both the manager and the lifeguards,

[19:20] is they need good visibility of the entire outdoor pool area.

[19:23] So that's why they're kind of on this corner.

[19:26] So they get that visibility.

[19:28] Something else you might notice

[19:30] is the outdoor pool is a few feet lower

[19:36] than the indoor pool as far as where the floor level

[19:40] would be at.

[19:43] That was done intentionally because of the site.

[19:45] it's if you've been out there the site kind of crowns right underneath the

[19:52] existing site crowns kind of right underneath where our building is so

[19:56] we're trying to minimum or reduce costs from a grading side of things to fit

[20:03] within our budget.

[20:08] Another view of the pool that you can see some of the play

[20:14] features that we're starting to show at the zero entry edge of the activity pool, those

[20:21] features haven't really been selected at this point. We're still kind of working through

[20:25] that. That's the next step of the process. But we wanted to show you some examples

[20:30] of the types of features that would be in that water.

[20:40] Next, I'll just touch briefly

[20:42] Especially on the budget for the project, during the RFP the budget was set at $18 million.

[20:49] We've been tracking it kind of through the overall design process and as we've made adjustments

[20:56] to the plans during that process, the numbers are starting to are tracking just slightly

[21:02] lower according to this early budgeting of $48,000 less than we were at the beginning

[21:09] of the process.

[21:16] Thank you Ted. Megan, do you have a list of everyone who's great? Thank you.

[21:22] All right, so we're going to begin the Q&A session by calling out the names of the participants who signed up in order of their registration.

[21:30] As a reminder, each speaker has a maximum of three minutes to share their thoughts and ideas on a new topic of discussion related to the project's design.

[21:38] Your valuable feedback is essentially making this project a success.

[21:42] After the Q&A, we'll answer all the questions and then move into breakout session to gather more feedback.

[21:47] Megan, I believe you're going to be capturing all the questions and then George and Ted will be answering those.

[21:55] All right, great.

[21:58] We have three names tonight.

[22:02] The first one will be Clayton McCrindle.

[22:05] Good

[22:14] evening, everyone. Thanks for the time. First, counselors, I want to say thank you

[22:17] for setting up the two additional informational sessions. That was a request we had at the

[22:21] council meeting, and I appreciate that you heard us and listened to that request.

[22:26] I'll start out by saying not sure why we're only talking about the design. It sounds

[22:31] like this is a done deal. That's a tough one for a taxpayer to just take on the

[22:36] chin. The location, I'm really concerned about that in relation to the water table,

[22:40] how close it is to the creek, how close it is to the sewage plant. So I want to understand

[22:44] that part of it. As far as the budget goes, we have 18 million in our budget for 2024.

[22:53] The first slide shown showed 23 million, and then there was a 17 point something million

[23:01] at the end. So pretty confused about those numbers and where this is going to end up,

[23:05] especially when Plainfield's Aquatic Center costs $25 million.

[23:09] So, really interested to hear how we're going to keep those costs in check,

[23:14] especially when we're all taking a 5% tax increase on the chin, too.

[23:20] Next one, we struggled to keep the splash pad open all summer.

[23:24] How are we going to keep a pool open all year?

[23:28] And then we got recurring costs from this.

[23:31] There's currently a shortage of lifeguards.

[23:33] I don't know how many of this requires, but we can't even keep the

[23:36] Brownsburg editorial room open for the public because we can't staff it with

[23:39] lifeguards so I'm interested to know how we're going to get those lifeguards and

[23:47] then the last question I have is just what does this do to our town's liability

[23:50] insurance I don't know where that where that comes from someone's going to get

[23:55] hurt here someone's going to sue the town how are we planning to cover that

[23:59] that's my time thank you

[24:04] Ron Matthews

[24:14] so when we do a cost analysis of

[24:18] everything, what it's going to cost the town. Are we looking at the return on

[24:25] investment as well? So let's say you, it costs us $300,000 to run this every year.

[24:33] Are we looking at just the membership fees we're getting back? Because I

[24:39] actually talked to several local places, I called up and talked to Carmel,

[24:44] And they had told me that all their businesses substantially amount of

[24:52] increase during the time that they have people coming into their community.

[24:58] There's a lot of intangible items that this will bring to our community.

[25:03] I talked to a couple places in Splash Island, I mean not Splash Island,

[25:14] in Lebanon and other surrounding places that have Aquatic Center the whole town

[25:20] benefits. When I talked to Mayor Myers I believe is what his name was he told me

[25:28] that he believes that when they added Freedom Springs it was a really big

[25:35] boost to Greenwood it helped there it pushed their Center Grove didn't need

[25:40] but it pushed property values as well. Everybody knows just like you said you

[25:45] push property values up. Town council gets a little bit more money coming back

[25:50] into town on our taxes so the higher the property values are the better return

[25:55] you're going to get. So I I would encourage everyone to look into not

[26:04] only what it costs to run but also reach out to every community because

[26:09] Is everybody saying what's this going to cost, what's this going to cost?

[26:15] When Freedom Springs did their analysis back in 2015, they were told they were going to

[26:20] lose $200,000 a year.

[26:23] They made $300,000.

[26:25] So even the experts don't know.

[26:27] They were off by half a million dollars.

[26:30] That's a pretty big swing.

[26:33] In black and white you can check with Indie Star.

[26:36] They did a page on it.

[26:37] That's where I got my information on it.

[26:40] And then Chris, I wanted to tell you that I'm in your ward

[26:45] and I talk to all our neighbors and they want this.

[26:49] We don't have the luxury of having an HOA with a pool.

[26:53] I know some of the council members might

[26:58] or incoming may have, you know, into HOAs

[27:01] and things like that, but you do have to take

[27:05] effective all of Brownsburg even some that that don't want it but and I can't I

[27:11] haven't seen any reliable statistic from the parts department over two or three

[27:17] years that came back negative thank you and our last speaker tonight the one

[27:34] good evening council members members of the audience members watching on the

[27:40] web this

[27:43] really boils down to a pretty simple question will the community

[27:48] commit $18 million to fund this quality of life amenity available for all

[27:52] residents use? Yes or no?

[27:56] All issues beyond that are subordinate to that

[27:59] question. You will either do this or you will not. Now that oversimplifies things

[28:07] but you know there's a common sense logic and reason would say if there's a

[28:11] will, there's a way. This can be done. Now, I have a public face and I have a private

[28:20] face. My private face, I have been working to collaborate with the detractors and the

[28:25] supporters of this project.

[28:28] So we've heard that, you know, this is going to be a tax

[28:31] increase and we're going to have a 5% levy. This is a 5% levy increase, not a tax increase

[28:36] by the way. But the money is already in the budget now because they're paying

[28:40] for Town Hall. When that bond rolls off, we have the monies readily available. It certainly

[28:44] could be directed to some other use, but we could make a decision to direct them to this

[28:48] purpose.

[28:51] So what does that cost an average taxpayer? $51 a year. What does that cost

[28:56] over the life of the bond? $1,100 a year. That's really what we're asking the community

[29:02] is, do you want to spend this money for this amenity? Now if the answer is no,

[29:07] I have to question when, because some of you have been in the room long enough to know that we've made three attempts at this.

[29:17] We were told in the past, oh, just wait for 3% growth. We'll get that money and we'll be able to do that then.

[29:24] Now, certainly that's on the way, but Town Center was one of those big things.

[29:28] As that money comes in, are we going to revisit this again, or is the answer always going to be no?

[29:33] And if the answers already know, well then, okay, that's fine, but that kind of goes to the first postulate.

[29:40] We will either do this or not.

[29:42] But it's in the context of what? Population will continue to increase.

[29:46] Assessed value will continue to increase.

[29:50] As a result, this investment of $18 million will grow smaller of a population of our current worth over time.

[29:57] As will that expense for the budget

[30:00] Total budget. That expense will also decrease as a portion of our operating expense over time.

[30:06] So we can't look at this just from today's window. We can also look at this one, three, five, seven, ten, and so far out.

[30:15] But do we do this amenity now?

[30:18] And that's the question before you as public servants and decision makers.

[30:22] And that's the question before our public that's in the room and those are asking on the web.

[30:26] I don't have an answer for that.

[30:28] I mean, I have a personal answer, but I'm just trying to advocate for the media and to say,

[30:33] are we working through this and get to the right solution?

[30:36] Thank you for your time.

[30:40] All right. Thank you for our speakers tonight.

[30:45] Megan, did you get all the response?

[30:46] I know some were more statements than there were questions, but there were a few questions in there.

[30:51] Some were probably for William.

[30:53] Some were maybe for us.

[30:54] We probably don't have all those questions to be answered today.

[30:57] We'll get through what we can.

[30:59] Sean or Debbie, you might have some answers to those questions.

[31:05] George and Teneffy want to go back to the podium.

[31:08] I guess we can take these one by one.

[31:16] The first question is, how close is it to the sewage plant and the water table?

[31:25] Sean, that might be more of a question for you.

[31:29] It's it's not in the back yard. It's I can't tell you the exact fee we can get that out in the FAQ, but it is near

[31:36] adjacent

[31:38] There's homes way closer to the pool or to the sanitary plant than this and with that note

[31:43] We've also had people from all over the country come to our plant

[31:47] To investigate why and how we operate

[31:50] Because we have minimal odors that do

[31:53] Come out of our plant

[31:54] So we can get the exact distance in the FAQ, the water table, I could probably take that one.

[32:01] It is near the flood plain and is not in the flood plain.

[32:05] Our consultant can probably help with the exact depth, but it should be well above the water table.

[32:11] We should be getting soil borings shortly.

[32:14] Yes.

[32:22] The next, I'm sorry, the next question is there seems to be a confusion between a slide

[32:29] that said 25 million and one that said 18.

[32:32] Can you expand upon the difference?

[32:34] 23 million and the last one was 17.9.

[32:38] I don't remember the 23 million on the slide.

[32:42] That was square footage.

[32:43] Was that square footage?

[32:45] Well, there's 20, yeah, it was 24,000 square feet of building.

[32:48] Can you pull that up just to make sure we can so

[33:07] here's the

[33:15] There's the budget right 17.99 from the RFP we our target was 18 million dollars

[33:23] So that's where that's where this number came from. Can you go to the very first line? Yeah, I

[33:30] think

[33:44] Maybe it was this slide.

[33:45] I think that 23770 is probably what he was talking about.

[33:48] That was square footage.

[33:49] Yeah, this is square footage of the building.

[33:55] Next.

[33:56] The next question is, we struggled to keep the splash pad open all summer.

[34:01] How will the pool remain open?

[34:03] Yeah, that's a good question.

[34:05] And we've had discussions with that ourselves as a council.

[34:09] And there are some major issues when the splash pad was built that we have concerns over.

[34:14] And we're trying to figure out not only was it splash pad being built, but we're trying

[34:20] to determine too if there was any errors in the winterization of that property, and that

[34:26] could have been done by whether our staff or by the people that we employ to do that

[34:31] for us.

[34:31] We're trying to figure that out.

[34:33] And if it wasn't our staff, then hopefully we can have some restitution for that

[34:39] project.

[34:39] But I don't know, Amber or Sean, if one of you

[34:42] want to get some further clarification to the splash pad.

[34:46] I think also it'll be important that some of the documents

[34:50] that we would get from this project

[34:52] would include close-out lists on an asset replacement plan

[34:58] so that we can get ahead of pumps and things that

[35:01] need to be replaced and get them in the budget year

[35:04] on year and replace them ahead of the time.

[35:06] So not waiting for something to break,

[35:08] but actually budgeting appropriately. And when we hopefully redo the splash pad, that

[35:14] is something that I know I've talked to with Sean about implementing for the splash pad

[35:19] so we can get our maintenance a little bit ahead of the game instead of waiting for things

[35:23] to break.

[35:23] And that's one of the things when we put in these future public input sessions is

[35:27] when we have the, what the performer looks like in the ROI on it, we just don't have

[35:31] it yet. I know the team here at TED and George are working on it. And that's

[35:36] One thing that's good to point out is make sure we have maintenance included in that.

[35:40] I'm sure you probably do.

[35:42] Okay.

[35:43] I'd like to add that you can correct me if I'm wrong, Amber, but the splash pad is nearing

[35:47] or beyond some of its expected life, some of those items.

[35:52] So we did budget quite a bit of money to reconstruct in 24.

[35:59] Thank you.

[36:00] All right.

[36:00] Next question.

[36:04] The next question was regarding the shortage of lifeguards.

[36:08] How will we get lifeguards?

[36:11] I will read that to someone who's more an expert than I am.

[36:16] So I know that Council has talked about this,

[36:18] and we've talked about this internally with HR,

[36:20] that we are looking to possible third-party consultants

[36:25] to help with hiring lifeguards.

[36:28] And then, of course, as always, we have, you know, teens, people out of school.

[36:35] I think there's a lot of folks looking for jobs.

[36:38] So we would just come up with a plan, a recruitment plan,

[36:43] whether that be a third party or us hiring or a mix.

[36:47] It could possibly be a mix.

[36:49] But again, that's something that in our business plan we will be assessing out.

[36:58] The liability insurance for the town of Brownsburg.

[37:00] how do we plan to cover any increases?

[37:04] Yeah, but we talked to Rick about that.

[37:07] Yeah, this has been discussed and it would be added just as any program is added as it comes online.

[37:16] And as other programs might change or roll off that those are included, you know, as are all our assets.

[37:23] So, yeah, we have to figure out the scope and the size and everything before we get an accurate amount.

[37:35] Host of analysis, are we looking at the ROI?

[37:39] Yes.

[37:41] We don't have it yet, but that is one of the very first things that we've spoken about,

[37:45] is make sure we have a good return on investment for this project.

[37:50] Including we're looking at membership fees, just to answer that.

[37:54] That was in the next question, are we looking at membership fees?

[37:57] Yes, we are.

[38:03] As well as in-town and out-of-town resident rates.

[38:13] What is the cost to the average taxpayer for a facility like this?

[38:20] I'll tell my head I don't know until we dive into that and see the final numbers.

[38:25] We do the ROI and everything like that too.

[38:29] The other ones were questions, but I think they were more statements like,

[38:32] Is the community going to commit to this and are they going to commit now?

[38:38] Well, I mean, I wouldn't say this is a done deal by any stretch of imagination.

[38:44] That's why we're doing these public input sessions.

[38:46] See if the public wants it.

[38:48] I think one of the biggest questions that I get asked and I think other counselors get asked is,

[38:53] what are we going to bring forward for the community?

[38:56] Whether it be a pool or some kind of amenities and activities for the community outside of what we've provided.

[39:00] Provided and I think us as a council said have said numerous times like we can't afford it right now

[39:07] And that's the reason we're doing all the the bidding of the commercial growth that we've had in our community the last three or four years

[39:14] right a point now where

[39:16] someone brought up that the bonding on this

[39:19] Building is going to be falling off, which is very true as well as the three percent growth that we've seen

[39:25] Brownsburg's in a better spot financially than

[39:28] than we've ever been

[39:30] This is at least my eight or nine years involved here.

[39:35] That's the end of your questions.

[39:36] All right. Thank you.

[39:38] So now what we're going to do is we're going to have a breakout session.

[39:41] So let's try to split this up as evenly as possible.

[39:43] Have the room go over here, have the room over here.

[39:45] And I really think we're about even if you take a look at the room.

[39:48] So just have the side of this side, this half over here.

[39:53] At the beginning of the meeting, we're giving a comment card.

[39:56] If you leave tonight, can you please felt that comment card handed one of the staff

[39:59] as you leave?

[40:01] Your feedback will be collected and provided in an online document.

[40:05] So we are taking that seriously, all the comments and requests that we get and questions

[40:09] that we get.

[40:09] So we'll try to answer all those as best of our ability.

[40:12] And that's what we're going to do also at these stations is to kind of have a

[40:17] question and answer session.

[40:21] Yeah, let's go ahead and do that.

[40:24] We'll have council members at each one, as well as staff at each side as well.

[40:29] Do you guys want to head on that side? I'll grab this over here.

Oct 19, 2023 Town Council - Work Session

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