[0:52] All right, good evening to everyone. Sorry for a little bit of a delay. Some technical difficulties on the mic. Got it taken care of.

[0:59] Welcome to the point of Park City Council, regular meeting on Thursday, August 11th at 5 p.m. The City Council met in closed session earlier.

[1:08] So we've been working in the sense of three in meetings and I'm going to ask the city attorney if you have anything to report out from closed session.

[1:15] Mayor, is it on? Cool.

[1:17] The record sure reflect as it may are indicated the City Council recess in a closed session at 3 o'clock to discuss items 3 a through 3 e on your closed session agenda, following is my report 3 a conference legal council existing litigation the butterfly pavilion versus see when it part matter city council received a briefing from the city attorney's office and outside council on the status of this case had a neutral no direction or action was taken 3 b conference legal council existing litigation government code section 549

[1:47] five six point nine for the Patel versus City of Winner Park Matter, City Attorney provided

[1:52] a briefing on the status of this case to the City Council, but the case is not yet final

[1:58] and there's no action to report and I'm three conference with Labor Negotiator, Government

[2:02] Code Section 54957.6 with Mr. Eddie Fetton, providing a briefing to the City Council on the

[2:09] terms and conditions of employment. Direction was provided, but is not final or reportable at this

[2:14] time 3D conference legal counsel anticipated litigation City Council briefed the City Council

[2:21] on excuse me.

[2:22] The City Attorney briefed the City Council on facts and circumstances creating a potential

[2:26] significant exposure risk of liability against the city.

[2:29] No action or direction was provided.

[2:32] Item 3E conference.

[2:34] We will prop negotiator for the property listed at 6591 B. B. B. Bolivar, Mr. Aaron

[2:40] to the Council on the Price Terms and Conditions of Under Negotiation.

[2:46] Direction was provided, but it's not final or reportable.

[2:49] Thank you, Mayor.

[2:50] All right, thank you.

[2:51] And now we'll officially adjourn that close session and call to order the regular meeting.

[2:56] Madam City Clerk, please call the roll.

[2:58] Councilmember On.

[3:00] Councilmember Franco.

[3:01] Ready.

[3:02] Councilmember Sonny.

[3:04] Vice Mayor Hoke.

[3:05] Mayor Trout.

[3:06] Here.

[3:07] And then just to confirm to our city attorney, I know I confirmed it before close session, just want to make sure it's accurate.

[3:13] We have two different things to read out now that are on our agenda.

[3:17] I just want to confirm that I can just point to the agenda on mentioning that this is here in person and on Zoom.

[3:24] Yeah, that's correct on our webinars.

[3:26] As long as the city council makes clear to the public that all of the public accessibility and online options are available printed on the agenda.

[3:34] that is adequate. All right, with the city attorney said, I don't need to repeat it. It was a

[3:40] long list. It would have been me talking for like three minutes, no one wants that. So we're going to

[3:45] have two things right now. First, the invocation followed by the pledge of allegiance. So first,

[3:51] we're going to have the invocation. This is led by Rabbi Lawrence Goldmark. Welcome. And if everyone

[3:56] please stand if you're able or like to.

[4:04] It's great to be back. During my long career as a rabbi,

[4:12] I have met many inspirational people, fabulous people, and heading that list is a woman,

[4:26] a psychiatrist who passed away. I believe about 20 plus years ago.

[4:33] Her name, Elizabeth Kubler Ross, and in the early 1970s, she wrote a book entitled

[4:44] on death and dying, which impacted, I want to say all of us, but countless numbers of people

[4:53] especially physicians.

[4:57] And it was my pleasure to meet her and we became friends. And frankly,

[5:05] I wanted to share with you from one of the books that she wrote entitled to live until we

[5:15] good-bye, something that she wrote to me in that one of her books. I was going through a

[5:24] difficult time and she sent me these words. She said,

[5:34] should you shield the canyons from the windstorms you would never see the beauty of its

[5:43] carvings. I need to repeat that. Should you shield the

[5:48] canyons from the windstorms, you would never see the beauty of

[5:53] its carvings in sure of. Please remember that. And so, and this is my

[6:01] prayer for all of us. We will never be able to share to go to rather not

[6:12] to have windstorms in our own lives, but the reality that Dr. Kubla Ross gave to us is that

[6:21] we must be able to say, I have the strength to overcome these windstorms just as she did

[6:32] and became a blessing to each of us. Amen.

[6:39] All right.

[6:40] And if everyone could please stay standing and I'm going to ask that our young man who is

[6:45] going to lead us in the pledge.

[6:46] If you get start making your way up to the microphone,

[6:48] I want to just share a little bit about Jude.

[6:51] Jude is at, over at Dicing your Elementary,

[6:54] starting up school again tomorrow.

[6:57] So thank you for being here the day before your very fun

[7:00] first day of school, who your teacher is,

[7:03] and it's an incredible teacher.

[7:04] So you're going to have a great year.

[7:06] Jude is an amazing eight-year-old club member

[7:08] of the Boys and Girls Club of Buena Park,

[7:11] who will be entering fourth grade, is a talented musician.

[7:14] He plays the keyboard in club rock. Jude is known for his kindness, unloving personality, wonderful sense of humor and unforgettable British accent.

[7:23] I don't know if you're going to be doing this in a British accent, but we could throw it on a word or two, let's see it.

[7:28] Um, he brings...

[7:30] One's joy and positive energy to everyone at the club. Welcome and please lead us in the pledge.

[7:38] Please place your right hand over your heart.

[7:42] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

[7:53] One nation, under God,

[7:57] indivisible with this tea and justice, rural.

[8:02] Thank you again so much.

[8:12] All right, we're going to have our city managers report,

[8:14] Aaron France.

[8:15] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[8:16] Just two quick upcoming events.

[8:18] We want to make the public aware of the first being tomorrow night.

[8:22] On Wednesday, the Symphony on the Go Orchestra will be performing at 6.30 p.m.

[8:27] at E-Lars Event Center.

[8:29] It's a free concert as we wrap up our summer concert series.

[8:33] Look forward to seeing you over at E-Lars tomorrow night.

[8:36] And then finally, Mr. Mayor, on Saturday, August 29th.

[8:40] At the same spot, E-Lars Event Center at Heritage Hall.

[8:44] We'll be having our construction career

[8:46] and our apprenticeship resource fair from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.

[8:51] I know we have about 29 vendors so far.

[8:53] We're off to a great start.

[8:55] So, if you are interested in carpentry, pipe fitting, auto repair, HVAC, or any of the skilled trades,

[9:02] we highly recommend that you attend on Saturday, August 29th.

[9:06] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[9:08] All right, perfect.

[9:09] And great work to Vice Mayor Hoke for being the ones who have introduced that.

[9:14] And made it such a big success last year.

[9:16] Last year, I mean, we were busted at the seams for that, that fair.

[9:20] So, if you're able to go, if you're looking for a job, or no someone who is,

[9:23] There's on-site interviews. It's incredible. A lot of amazing well-paying opportunities in the trades as well as city hall jobs that we will have folks learning about.

[9:33] So we're going to do a few presentations tonight. I'm going to take them in order as they're listed on the agenda for those that have an agenda in front of them.

[9:40] So we're going to start with a certificate of recognition to Emily Faust for completion of her youth micro grant project.

[9:48] project and I'm going to read a little bit about the project and herself, but I just wanted

[9:53] to see if Emily, if you could meet me down here, I'm just going to read a little bit about

[9:57] yourself and then I'm just going to present you with these and we'll take some pictures.

[10:11] There we go.

[10:11] All right.

[10:12] We got it.

[10:12] We got it working.

[10:14] So the youth and action micro grants program.

[10:17] Today we have the honor of highlighting one of our outstanding young leaders at the

[10:22] successful completion of her youth microgrants program. And here, before I keep reading,

[10:29] I just want to hand you these two if you want to open them up. They have certificate in there.

[10:35] The microgrant program empowers our young residents by providing the resources and connections they need

[10:40] to design and implement projects that directly benefit our community. One of this year's youth microgrant

[10:47] recipients and this is a full-on grant application that high school students have to fill out

[10:52] themselves.

[10:52] Super impressive.

[10:54] Was 10th grader Emily Faust?

[10:56] Are you going into 10th grade?

[10:57] Is that right?

[10:58] Going into 11th.

[10:59] So we'll update this going into 11th.

[11:02] Emily had previously maintained a little free library in front of her family's own home

[11:07] as a place where as a place where neighbors could borrow and share books.

[11:13] It was a valued community resource.

[11:14] But over time, the structure became worn down and eventually had to be removed.

[11:19] Through the Youth Micro Grant Program, Emily was able to install a new free little library

[11:25] in her community and restore an important resource to the neighborhood.

[11:30] Emily's project is a wonderful example of how young people can make a difference through

[11:34] community service.

[11:35] Her revitalized library will continue to inspire a love of reading and bring neighbors together

[11:40] for years to come. So I just wanted to on behalf of the City Council, congratulate you, Emily,

[11:45] on the successful completion of your youth micro grant project and just thank you for

[11:49] our contribution to the community and just encourage you to continue giving back and inspiring others.

[11:54] So thank you so much.

[11:59] We want to do a picture.

[12:32] All right, so next I'm going to ask Carlos

[12:36] Franco to make his way down here, Council Member Franco, for the recognition of the fit committee

[12:42] in celebration of its 10th anniversary.

[12:44] So if you are on the Fit Committee or at any point,

[12:46] you've been on the Fit Committee,

[12:48] come home up here, and Carlos is going to take it from here.

[12:52] Thank you, Mayor Trout.

[12:53] I'm part of the Les Fit Committee,

[12:55] but I'm glad to recognize the rest.

[12:58] Now, tonight we're proud to honor the members

[13:01] of the Buena Park Fit Committee

[13:02] and recognition of 10 years of dedicated service

[13:06] to our community.

[13:07] And this is incredible ladies and gentlemen,

[13:08] as they make their way to join me in the well.

[13:11] The mission of the Fit Committee is to improve the health and wellness of when apart through the leadership and action.

[13:18] The community works to reduce the obesity, promote physical activity, fitness and encourage healthy nutrition and create opportunities for greater mobility throughout our community.

[13:28] I love the fact that they're all joining me, please.

[13:30] for four. In 2016, a group of residents came together with a shared mission to work alongside

[13:37] city departments to reduce obesity and promote healthier lifestyles through nutritious

[13:41] eating and regular physical activity. Today, the Fit Committee is made up of dedicated

[13:46] volunteer community leaders who are committed to making Buena Park a healthier place to live,

[13:51] work, and raise a family.

[13:57] For the past 10 years, the Fit Committee has continued their work

[13:59] through monthly meetings and a variety of community programs.

[14:03] The committee has encouraged residents to grow fresh vegetables

[14:07] through community gardening projects, classes,

[14:09] and incorporate more fiscal activity into their daily lives

[14:11] by walking, biking, and using public transit.

[14:15] The committee has also advocated for improved paths

[14:17] and connections between homes, schools,

[14:20] and anti-smoking initiatives in Buena Park.

[14:23] For 10 years, the members of the Fit Committee before you

[14:26] have given their time, energy, and passions

[14:28] to making Buena Park a healthier community.

[14:31] Please join us in congratulating and recognizing

[14:33] the Buena Park Committee for 10 years

[14:35] of outstanding service to our community, ladies and gentlemen.

[14:43] I have risk-ignition certificates,

[14:45] even for those taking some pictures.

[14:47] So we're going to have to make your way up here as well.

[14:50] But yes, incredible organization.

[14:51] I've attended their regular meetings whenever possible.

[14:56] And we're so, we're proud of the work our youth is doing.

[15:00] And just know that the good work that you're all doing can be amplified when you come together as a community.

[15:08] And that's something that we're trying to put together. Buena Park is a very diverse community and everyone here is welcome.

[15:15] So whether you've given 15 years of services to this community or more, there's a good way we can make it better for Buena Park.

[15:24] Thank you. Let me pass out some certificates if I can make my way over there.

[15:32] Thank you.

[15:36] Ms. Brenda.

[15:40] Lisbeth Flores.

[15:45] Lisbeth Martinez.

[15:51] And Dr. Martinez coming up soon with Alexander.

[15:57] Alberto Vazquez.

[16:06] I'm giving you a bonus too.

[16:09] Minerva Jimenez.

[16:13] Garla Jimenez.

[16:17] Lorenda Peterson.

[16:21] Patti O.

[16:22] Patti O, you forgot to come up here.

[16:28] Ms. Claire.

[16:33] Mr.

[16:40] Anna, I just heard you.

[16:45] Alejandra.

[16:47] Here.

[16:49] Mr. Anna Norma.

[16:59] Analyliya Castro.

[17:06] And I may have some repeats, but we'll give you two more.

[17:13] And let's back you get an answer.

[17:16] Ladies and gentlemen, this is also a recognition from our senator's office, Mr. Tony Strickland,

[17:21] who is recognizing the fit committee for their 10 years of service as well.

[17:24] So we'll post for a picture and and then that's it.

[17:28] Thank you.

[18:23] All

[18:35] right, next I want to welcome Anthony Wells from our public works department.

[18:40] We have a 15 year service award for you.

[18:43] Anthony, if you could join me up here.

[18:54] See, you're going to have to put this either on your hat or shirt.

[18:57] Is your 15 year service pen.

[19:03] Even better, you got a couple certificates from.

[19:06] We make sure to read their names that the Assembly Member and Senator Senator Tony Sturclin,

[19:10] Assembly Member Sharon Quark Silva, so I'll hand you those, and even better a certificate

[19:16] of congratulations from your favorite mayor of your favorite city.

[19:22] So I want to read a little bit about your service. So the rest of our community who doesn't

[19:27] doesn't yet know you or maybe hasn't met you even though they benefited from a lot of your work

[19:31] can learn a little more. So Anthony Wells has been a valued member of the Boena Park team

[19:35] Now, as you know, for 15 years, Anthony was hired back in 2011, the math adds up, as a part-time

[19:43] maintenance worker to in the then Parks and Recreation Department. He was promoted to maintenance

[19:49] help her back in 2013 and promoted to maintenance worker in 2014. In 2018, Anthony transferred

[19:55] to the Public Works Department's streets maintenance division. In 2024, Anthony was promoted to

[20:01] current role of senior maintenance worker. Anthony specializes in

[20:06] tree trimming and irrigation repair among many other skills such as

[20:10] asphalt, concrete, crack ceiling and much more. Our roads are incredibly

[20:14] smooth and way apart relative to some of the cities around us in part things

[20:18] to Anthony so we can thank him. If you've got hot holes or other issues, blame the

[20:22] five of us on the day us to get that some more funding. Anthony is a father to

[20:27] for children in an avid golfer, fishermen, and a valued coworker.

[20:31] Buena Park residents can see proof of his commitment every day

[20:33] as they navigate our city.

[20:35] It's a much nicer way to say what I just said.

[20:38] Thank you Anthony for your 15 years

[20:39] of dedicated service to the people of Buena Park.

[20:42] Just want to see if you have any a few words

[20:43] maybe you would like to share.

[20:46] Oh, well, it's been a honor working here.

[20:48] I look forward to coming to work.

[20:49] I mean, I love my job.

[20:50] I live in the city.

[20:51] I work for the city.

[20:53] And I take pride in everything that I do.

[20:54] And anything I can do to help the residents, because I'm a resident, it's really

[20:59] honored to help all your residents, but any needs that you guys have.

[21:03] Thank you so much again, Anthony.

[22:06] The next portion of the meeting, this one is a little shorter, so I'll just read the

[22:10] whole thing as it shows.

[22:11] This is a public comment portion, essentially if you have anything to say that's not related

[22:14] to the agenda, but is within the business of what we do as a city, the school year moment

[22:19] to speak during public comment, and the way to do it,

[22:22] you either fill out the, there's like a,

[22:25] there's a key ask in the entrance,

[22:27] either put your name in on that,

[22:28] or when people are done speaking.

[22:30] I'll ask if anyone in the audience would just like to come out to the microphone and speak. And you have three minutes to do so. Also, we do have, I'm just going to check on zoom. We do have the opportunity on zoom. So those that are listening, you either use the raise hand function, click that button right now, or if you're calling in, click star 9. That's how we're going to see a raise to hand. So first of all, ask our city clerk before getting to speak in person here. Anyone on zoom or any emails, public comment.

[23:00] We have no emails and we have no requests to speak on Zoom.

[23:03] All right, and then anyone in person that submitted a request?

[23:06] I believe we have a request from Mark Steele.

[23:11] Mike. Mike. Mike. Mike Steele. Yes, welcome.

[23:17] Yeah, yeah.

[23:25] And then if you could pull up the microphone, so it's close to you, if we had it.

[23:29] Okay, Laura is not the little one out there doing the pledge. Okay.

[23:32] I am here because of the property at 7254 Fillmore.

[23:37] We live right behind it.

[23:39] I have actually been in contact with Lumia and sending her pictures.

[23:43] I actually filled out a 12 page thing about this property.

[23:49] We've been dealing with this property since probably about 2000 or so.

[23:53] I bought my house in 86.

[23:55] Anyway, the guy that owns this place, his name is Samir.

[23:58] He has turned it into an apartment complex and from what I understand, you're allowed to build a four-plex or a single-family home with a 888

[24:10] ADU. It's neither one of them. This guy has gutted the inside of his house. He's got an ad on Facebook. He rents out to anybody and there's been drug addicts

[24:20] I mean all kinds of creeps. We've called the police so many times

[24:23] actually I've got all all the police reports in in this fire. I want to mention too also

[24:31] about maybe five or seven years ago all the neighbors filled this out that we all complained about

[24:38] this property and we gave it to the city attorney give it to the mayor whoever was the mayor there and nothing

[24:46] has been done. But the bottom line is, they put up this AUD. It's basically in our backyard.

[24:54] It's two story. There's three windows that look out. I've got a pool with high fences. I bought my

[25:00] house for, because I had a pool in privacy. I can't even swim in my pool. My wife goes out there,

[25:07] and there's like two man up there looking down at her. I mean, it's ridiculous. We don't have any

[25:13] privacy.

[25:16] There's, there's, I actually sent pictures. Again, there's, there's 18 cars there. I don't know how many people live in this house. Our neighborhood looks like a used car parking lot.

[25:28] Anyway, it's destroyed our neighborhood. I've talked to three different realtors and they said that my property value is nobody wants to buy my house because it's next door to that.

[25:37] You know, I mean, it's ridiculous, it we've got creeps every single night, we get

[25:42] woken up with corridors going off and people out there talking, most of these people don't

[25:48] even have a job, you know, we've called the police a lot of times, you know, the police, unfortunately,

[25:55] can't get there for about an hour or so. And I got to get up, I've got a commercial window cleaning

[26:00] business out of the South Bay. I usually get up about 330 or 4 o'clock. I do great big huge

[26:06] buildings. I do country clubs, hospitals, and I need to get my sleep. And these people are

[26:12] waking everybody up in the neighborhood. I mean, there's people in and out all night long.

[26:17] It's driving us crazy. I mean, it's just, it's just ridiculous. And I would like to invite

[26:22] everyone of you to go by there early in the morning and look at our neighborhood. It's just, it looks

[26:32] We live in a nice neighborhood, this is just destroyed my pride of ownership that these people

[26:40] throw trash in my planners and I'm just letting you know the three minutes is up, but if you

[26:44] can wrap up in about 10 to 15 seconds.

[26:46] Okay, yeah.

[26:47] I had a bit rocks in my parkway because one of these guys put a swastika, he poured some kind

[26:53] of chemicals in there and I couldn't get my marathon grass to grow, but we deal with this

[26:57] every day.

[26:58] Well, there's ADU too.

[26:59] Also, the doors on this side, they slam it.

[27:02] That's like 20 foot from my fence and they sit out there and talk.

[27:05] I mean, it's something needs to be done.

[27:08] And I, yeah, I gave the flyer.

[27:10] Please check it out.

[27:11] And thank you for reaching out.

[27:13] I know that behind the scenes, our vice mayor has been doing a lot of incredible communication

[27:20] with staff on this and keeping me a prize in updated as well.

[27:24] We can only talk to one other council member for Brown Act purposes, so the other might not know it, but I've gone out there myself to and checked it out.

[27:32] So I wanted to just ask, because we can't make decisions for a some public comment immediately, but if maybe our city attorney or whoever Aaron or city manager thinks is the best staff member.

[27:43] Can we get any sort of general update based on these discussions we've been having on that side is there any type of response you can share and I know we're going to go on to we have a more public comment on it.

[27:53] I just want to see if there's any staff response based on the public comment initially.

[27:57] Sure.

[27:57] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[27:59] Our office is definitely engaged on this one.

[28:02] I know we've responded back to Mr. Steele.

[28:04] There are some limitations to what we could do out there due to state law, but nonetheless,

[28:09] we're working with our community development department on some options to sort of help

[28:14] out the neighborhood from a code enforcement perspective.

[28:17] If I were definitely on top of some of the issues that Mr. Steel identified, the ADU is a

[28:25] little bit trickier for us to deal with.

[28:29] But like I said, the community development director and I as well as the planning manager

[28:32] have had some discussions on some potential solutions out there.

[28:37] So nothing we can do right now in terms of the multi-unit rental unit, but I think that

[28:46] will be something that we look at in the next couple of weeks.

[28:51] Thank you for giving that update.

[28:55] Yeah, I share a lot of your sentiments for that side.

[28:58] But I want to make sure we continue the public comment.

[29:01] We're more people wishing to speak.

[29:02] I think you said your wife was going to be speaking as well.

[29:04] Mr. Steel.

[29:09] Welcome.

[29:09] Hi.

[29:11] Well, he pretty much covered it all.

[29:12] But me as a female, it's very scary to live there.

[29:19] My husband works in the daytime.

[29:21] I'm there alone by myself all day.

[29:24] And I don't even go to my backyard anymore because there are three windows

[29:28] looking right into our backyard and they could see and through into our

[29:33] sighting glass door.

[29:35] So I have to make sure at all times that I have a robot and you know,

[29:39] I'm in my own house and I have to make sure later.

[29:41] I'm covered, and I can't use my pool anymore, because there's people that sit in their heads out the window and they can just literally see and they're like,

[29:50] two feet away from me, and they've had riff raf in and out of there on drugs up all night.

[30:00] Just they don't screen these people. There are just people that answer an add on Facebook. There are a lot of them are on drugs. They're up all night, babbling to themselves and it's, it's basically an apartment complex behind us and they even have their own mailbox and their own units.

[30:21] It says unit A, unit B, unit C, and like they have their own, it's, it's an apartment complex.

[30:26] It's not a, it's not home. It's not a family house. And that's why we moved into a family neighborhood

[30:32] instead of a condo or an apartment because we value our privacy. And I think we deserve it.

[30:39] That's about it. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. Yeah. Really quick. I know our code enforcement manager,

[30:47] Robert Craven's is in the back of the room, as well as our planning manager,

[30:51] Harold Luna, they both been engaged on this one.

[30:54] They're happy to talk to the steel family outside that, you know,

[30:59] suit you. So, and could you raise your hand the two individuals just so that

[31:03] that the steel's can see you real quick?

[31:06] Yeah, if you wanted to step outside and chat with them,

[31:09] even right now that would be, that'd be great. Yeah.

[31:12] But additional public comment. I have no other additional requests to speak.

[31:15] All right. Before I close this public comment portion, I see there's a few more folks from

[31:20] public. Anyone else wishing to speak? It public comment on a non agenda item right now.

[31:25] Okay. So seen none and I don't think I see anything else on Zoom. We're going to close this

[31:30] portion of public comment. And we're going to go on to our consent calendar. The items listed on consent

[31:37] are considered routine business. And we'll be voted on together and just by one motion,

[31:41] unless anyone on the the city council wants separate action or has any questions on any of the other ones.

[31:47] Any particular items on items for a through gosh read what for n.

[31:53] The anyone on council either has a question comment wants pulled for any reason.

[31:56] I'd like to move for consent.

[31:59] All right, so we have a motion for consent is there a second before I call just for public comment in general and consent.

[32:06] Second.

[32:07] Okay, so we have a motion and a second.

[32:10] And we're going to wave the reading of consent calendar.

[32:14] It's just going to be as printed on the agenda.

[32:16] Any public comments on consent?

[32:18] No, request to speak, Mayor.

[32:19] And then, if we could please select our vote.

[32:28] The consent calendar.

[32:30] Excuse me, consent calendar was approved unanimously.

[32:33] Perfect.

[32:34] And now we have a few of the new business items.

[32:36] Starting with 5A, this is going to be presented by High Sun,

[32:43] awarding a contract to Tunnel Works services incorporated for the 2526 and 2627 sewer

[32:51] main lining at various locations project.

[32:56] Thank you.

[32:57] Good evening, honorable mayor and city council members.

[33:01] I am here to present a resolution of proving plan specification and award of the contract

[33:07] with a ton of work services for the 2526 and 2026-27

[33:12] sewer mainlining at various location projects.

[33:16] And you'll be improving the sewer mainlining

[33:18] is a proactive measure at preserving the infrastructures

[33:23] integrity and prolong the lifespan of the city's sewer system.

[33:28] This maintenance help prevent issues such as leak and cracks

[33:33] and verify avoid avoiding more significant

[33:36] and then costly problem in the future.

[33:39] This project will include cleaning of the sewer mainlines,

[33:44] calcium removal, performing pressure-growing,

[33:48] installing glass reinforced UV liner

[33:52] to prevent infiltration and expiltration,

[33:57] installing top hats, et cetera, house laterals,

[34:00] and conducting a final video inspection.

[34:02] The project was advertised for the competitive

[34:05] competitive bid on July 14th of 2026, staff received one bid and publicly opened on July 3rd of the 2026.

[34:17] Tonneau Works was the sole response of bidder at $1,663,920.

[34:25] The contractor has the required license, experience, and completed similar works for the city of

[34:32] Garden Grove, Palm Springs, Claremont, and for this city of the Point Apart.

[34:38] This project is subject to comply with the Community Workforce Agreement.

[34:43] Construction is anticipated to begin in September of 2021, and anticipated complete in April of 2021.

[34:51] This project is funded by the Waste Water Enterprise Fund, and was included in the

[34:57] the fiscal year 2526 and fiscal year 2627 CIP budget.

[35:04] The total project cost including construction and construction contingency

[35:09] and CWA administration and CWA administration contingency is $1,194,870.

[35:20] The original CIP budget allocation for each fiscal year was $500,000,

[35:27] totaling the amount to be a $1 million for total of the two fiscal years.

[35:32] Staff is requesting an additional budget transfer in a amount of $150,000 from the

[35:38] miscellaneous sewer system improvement account to fully fund the project account to complete the project.

[35:44] City Attorney has reviewed and approved a proposed contract and staff is recommending

[35:50] awarding of this project to the tonal works.

[35:53] That concludes my presentation and I'm ready for any questions.

[35:57] All right.

[35:58] Any public comment on this item?

[36:00] No requests to speak, Mayor.

[36:02] Questions or comments from Council?

[36:04] If none, is there a motion?

[36:07] I'll make a motion.

[36:08] Is there a second?

[36:09] Second?

[36:10] All right.

[36:10] We have a motion a second.

[36:11] Please select a vote.

[36:24] The motion carried unanimously.

[36:26] Thank you.

[36:27] Okay. Thank you.

[36:30] All right. The next one is not Jason Tran. This is deep as is print on the

[36:35] agenda. DPR blue. This is going to be presented by this is item 5B resolution that

[36:41] proving planned specifications and awarding a contract to JB Bostick LLC for the city yard

[36:47] parking lot rehab project. Welcome. Thank you. Good evening honorable mayor members of the city council.

[36:53] I'm here on behalf of Jason Tran to present this item. The request of this item is to

[36:59] award a construction contract for the city yard parking lot rehabilitation project. The city yard

[37:05] serves as the maintenance and operations facility for public works and is located on Argon

[37:10] Circle. Due to the age of the facility and heavy vehicle wear interior both the front and the

[37:16] rare parking lots are in need of payment rehabilitation. The scope of work of this project is majorly

[37:23] asphalt payment rehabilitation that includes removing the existing payment and replacing it with

[37:28] either a 2-inch or 4-inch.

[37:30] the requiredzungesti.

[37:31] Depending upon what the plans call out for.

[37:34] Additionally, the scope of work also includes some concrete waterwork, adjusting water valves

[37:39] and soured clean outs to grade installing underground conduit for future use, and reinstalling

[37:44] curb stops and striping both the parking lots.

[37:48] The project was advertised in June and nine bits were received.

[37:52] The lowest bit was approximately 159,000 and the highest was three, 17,000.

[37:57] The lowest responsive and responsible bidder was JB Bostick at 158,558 precisely.

[38:06] The contractor possesses the required license and has completed similar work with other public

[38:11] agencies. Just for comparison, the next lowest bidder was at 163,000 followed by 165,000.

[38:19] Therefore, JB Bostick was only 4,493 below the next lowest bidder. They were all pretty close,

[38:26] which is a good thing.

[38:28] The recommended total project authorization is $197,000,

[38:32] although which the contingency amount is $20,442

[38:36] and $8,000 for construction engineering.

[38:39] Staff felt that carrying additional contingency

[38:41] was reasonable and cautious approach,

[38:44] given the age of the infrastructure

[38:45] and the possibility of unforeseen conditions.

[38:48] This is a CIP with funding already approved.

[38:51] If the contract is awarded today,

[38:53] we will begin construction in September

[38:55] and complete it by October, that ends my presentation and I'm here for any questions.

[39:01] All right, any public comment?

[39:03] No requests this week.

[39:04] Questions or comments? And if none, I'll entertain a motion.

[39:07] Yes, come to my friend. Go. Thank you, Mayor.

[39:09] I miss if they really appreciate the number of bids that were presented on this, and I know

[39:13] that's not something that we as a city control, but it's always great that we do our best to

[39:17] advertise as much as possible, especially when these bids come as close as they have been today.

[39:23] It shows us that the accuracy of the bid is there, and that no one is bidding too high or too low.

[39:32] And so I really appreciate the hard work on that.

[39:34] That's it.

[39:34] I'd like to move forward with approving this as well.

[39:38] I'll second.

[39:39] All right.

[39:40] Motion is second.

[39:41] It's like your boat.

[39:50] Motion carried unanimously.

[39:54] All right.

[39:54] Next on to item 5C Eddie Fenson.

[39:58] Assistant City Manager and Director of HR, you are up.

[40:01] This is for the employment agreement with Bradley Gyer for Chief of Police.

[40:07] Thank you and good evening.

[40:09] Honourable Mayor, Member of the City Council.

[40:11] I'm proud to present this item for your consideration, which is an employment agreement between the city of Buena Park and the interim police chief Bradley Gyer.

[40:20] In December 2025, police chief Noons retired after 28 years of services law enforcement officer to the citizens of Buena Park.

[40:28] This position is one of the most critical executive management positions within the city's

[40:33] organization or structure.

[40:35] Therefore the city manager immediately appointed a police captain Bradley Gyer to serve as

[40:39] interim police chief.

[40:41] After a careful consideration and exceptional performance over the past seven months, the city

[40:45] manager desires to appoint Bradley Gyer as the city's permanent police chief for Buena Park.

[40:52] In terms of chief Gyer has over 28 years of experience with the Buena Park Police Department

[40:55] with the successful record of accomplishments.

[40:57] He has a necessary experience and superior leadership qualities to lead the department, combined with the respect of myself and other city staff.

[41:06] His regional law enforcement peers and the community to ensure a smooth transition.

[41:11] The city manager is requesting approval of an employment agreement with the new police chief effective July 4th, 2026.

[41:17] Prior to this agreement, the city manager and the interim chief entered into discussions to an agreement and employment agreement to reflect changes to the police chief salary range.

[41:26] fringe benefits as I will summarize for the public. The police chief's conversation will be

[41:34] $23,972 per month. I'm sorry, $23,972 per month. It is important to note that in an effort

[41:43] to promote transparency in the chief's conversation, the city manager and the police chief agreed

[41:48] that the police chief will receive an additional longevity pay equal to 3%. As well as the educational

[41:53] pay equal to 10%. Secondly, the police chief will continue to receive all the fringe benefits

[42:00] provided under the police management association in will you. There is no budget impact on the

[42:07] fiscal year 2627 general fund budget with this action because the two salary is already included

[42:12] for this fiscal year. Mayor, this concludes my report and I'm available for questions at this time.

[42:17] Any public comment?

[42:19] No comment.

[42:20] I'll start with a comment.

[42:22] Not to you, Eddie.

[42:23] I'm care about you on this item.

[42:25] The person who matters on this item, we are thrilled that you are official chief.

[42:29] Very exciting.

[42:31] The interim period.

[42:33] In my opinion, went a little bit.

[42:35] Well, I just think that we got to write a wrong a little bit.

[42:38] We are far past the six month mark.

[42:40] We're a few months, a couple months past that.

[42:41] So I'm going to remake an amendment.

[42:43] I'll actually start off just by making a motion before turning over free

[42:45] second comments to amend the date where this is effective to instead be six months after

[42:53] then interim chief guy or started his term as interim chief, so that would be June 18th would

[43:00] be the effective date. My understanding is the dollars and cents to that. This is only about

[43:04] a thousand dollar difference. To me, it's just about keeping the promise consistent with what we've

[43:08] done with prior chiefs of a six month interim. So that's going to be my my motion. I don't know

[43:14] There's a second, and then I'll turn it over for additional comments.

[43:18] I'll second.

[43:20] All right.

[43:20] Motion and a second.

[43:21] Can I make just a suggestion just from a kind of HR payroll perspective,

[43:26] the beginning of the pay period that encompasses or that is close to that data is

[43:30] June 20th.

[43:31] Again, we're talking about two days, but you'll owe the new chief, or the chief, a coffee

[43:37] to make up for that.

[43:38] So June 20th will be, we'll be my motion, does the second.

[43:42] This is Vice Mayor Oak. Okay with the amendment. All right. Any additional comments,

[43:48] I'll turn to motions before we call for the vote. All right. Seeing none. So we'll select our vote here.

[43:57] The motion carried unanimously. All right. Congratulations, Chief.

[44:06] Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate

[44:07] it. I can all account some members. Vice Mayor also. Looking forward to serve in this great city.

[44:11] I've been here for the half of my life. It'll be 29 years coming up.

[44:15] And I couldn't think of another place that a rather work.

[44:18] Love the people, love the community,

[44:21] and look forward to the next chapter in my career.

[44:25] And Chief.

[44:26] We're excited.

[44:27] Congratulations again, well deserved.

[44:31] And seeing that we're before six o'clock,

[44:33] oh, wait, let me make sure.

[44:34] There's no more.

[44:35] I think public hearing was next.

[44:37] Yeah, it's public hearing cannot be until six.

[44:39] And so what we'll do is we'll go on to our council member reports

[44:42] and calendarings since that usually takes about 10 minutes or so

[44:45] unless all of us are long-winded, like mine might end up being a little bit.

[44:50] So we'll just call on these on the order that they appear on the screen.

[44:54] All right.

[44:55] That's what we're trying to do.

[44:55] Thank you. I have very few things to report this time around, but I have 100...

[45:00] We're sending attendance at all summer concert events, and the movie at the park at Whittaker Park this time around. So that was really nice. I do have one report since I am the delegate for the Bridges at Cramer. The update is, by the way, Bridges at Cramer is our county shelter. So they have moved from Mercy House to path for their contract, and I just wanted to let the public know that the counties moving forward in that direction.

[45:29] other than that. There's just some adjustment periods and their staff is currently getting up to date with

[45:35] with their new contract. Lastly, I have kudos for a public works department and my way over here.

[45:43] I saw a couple of gentlemen scraping the stickers and removing graffiti from the rear side of a

[45:49] median sign. That's does important too. In the fact that our public works is paying attention to

[45:54] that makes me really happy.

[45:57] You've also noticed that there has been minimal

[45:58] to no graffiti on the five freeway on ramp

[46:02] from Beach Boulevard, including the walls

[46:05] behind the dealerships.

[46:07] So Kudos to our city manager and all of our staff,

[46:10] all of public sports director,

[46:11] and of course the public work staff

[46:13] that makes Buena Park look great every single day.

[46:17] So that's it, I yield, thank you.

[46:20] All right, Councilor Brown.

[46:26] It's been pretty light in the past few weeks.

[46:30] It attended the Sanitation Trusty Board meeting,

[46:35] and went to, oh, this was a pretty neat event at the Daniels Truth.

[46:42] I would want to recognize that Sarah Coppings

[46:46] really helped this special project take-off

[46:50] with the business local business and that the local hotels to develop a certain

[46:58] point of park fragrances. I think I've had some pictures following this. So, we'll show

[47:04] that in a minute. Summer concerts at the Boisering Park was also great. Thank you for

[47:11] putting up another great event.

[47:16] And I've also attended several other nonprofit groups

[47:18] events and meetings. It had very productive representation there. Can we move on to the video?

[47:35] Thank you for that special. I think she's gone.

[47:39] Yeah, you want to do it again? One more time?

[47:42] I like that cute move.

[47:47] It's not, it's not.

[47:50] It's not.

[47:50] It was a great turnout.

[47:54] Now, these photos are really, like, just a cool way to present products such as a tiny little bottle of perfume.

[48:07] And I thought it was needed to share with a public.

[48:09] And these will be displayed at local hotels, and just a quick photo.

[48:18] And this is also a pop-up store at the source mall that I stopped by.

[48:24] And then my report, nothing to calendar.

[48:26] Oh, this is another youth conference event that was held in Bonaparte.

[48:34] And I was one of the panelists to encourage future political leaders in the, with the next generation and that's, I think that's it and nothing to calendar end of my report.

[48:51] All right, next slide, I attended several things. I'm not going to go through all of them.

[49:02] But let's go to the next screen. I had quite a few pictures tonight.

[49:08] On July 17, I attended the Hacks, batting cages, ribbon cutting at the mall.

[49:14] And Council Member Franco was there as well. Oh, he didn't mention anything.

[49:19] Did you swing a baseball bat?

[49:22] Did you hit?

[49:22] I did not.

[49:23] Since my...

[49:24] No one saw that.

[49:25] No one saw that.

[49:26] Ter, I'm not swinging anything.

[49:31] But a great new business.

[49:33] They're planning to do to give a lot back to the community.

[49:37] There was so much excitement there from the kids.

[49:40] Great place to take kids.

[49:44] Next slide.

[49:46] On July 26,

[49:47] I attended Lumi Poliza and the concert in the park. There were a lot of different exhibitions

[49:56] going on there. Orange County Power Authority was there with a truck that had different building

[50:03] materials and a cooking demonstration, almost our entire, now I think our entire climate action

[50:12] mission was there assisting with everything. If you go to the next screen, there's more pictures

[50:20] from Louis Vuitton. It was really a well-attended and great event and I want to thank everybody

[50:28] that contributed to that. Some great food handed out there by our chef that attended and teaching

[50:36] everybody had a how to cook on an induction stove top. All right, next slide.

[50:45] I also went to Daniel's truth on August 5th for the Point of Park Fragrance

[50:50] reveal. They created two fragrances for Point of Park that are going to be in many

[50:58] of our hotels, gift sets available, including the perfume and candles.

[51:08] They had a great spread and a poison berry mock tail that was really delicious, and

[51:18] they put a smoke bubble on top of it, it's like a really fancy fancy deal.

[51:23] The sense are wonderful if you get a chance to go and in one of our hotels and check them out.

[51:34] I don't know of it any other city that has its own fragrance.

[51:39] One of them is a boys and very sort of based in the others called Sweet Society and they're both absolutely wonderful.

[51:49] So Daniel Street is a unique store, highly recommended.

[51:54] All right, next screen.

[51:57] National night out and the last concert of the series in the park

[52:03] had our entire PD,

[52:08] the SWAT team that it was a very popular event for families.

[52:13] You can see by that middle picture there, how many people were there that night.

[52:19] It was extremely well attended and people were having a blast and then the last screen a few more pictures from that event.

[52:30] I wanted to show this down at the bottom there. We've got our many of our staff and volunteers that work so hard to put these events on warm members of our police department. And we are very grateful to Ed Cow for their support of our concerts in the park. And the band will kick it. They were, they were really awesome. I have nothing to calendar and that's it.

[53:00] All right, bye, Samantha.

[53:03] OK, so for reasons that are rather obvious, I don't

[53:08] have a lot of events attended.

[53:11] But I only attended 33% of concerts this summer, unfortunately.

[53:17] But that's enough.

[53:18] That's enough for the students enough.

[53:20] Sorry.

[53:23] But I was really bummed that I missed out.

[53:29] But one wonderful job to community services

[53:31] for always putting out such wonderful concerts for our community.

[53:37] To some really quick traffic update, I'd a resident that reached out, that talked about

[53:45] some concerns around holder and Lincoln, and so regarding visibility issues, and I reached

[53:52] out to public works, and within a few days there was new improvements that included striping

[54:00] and use southbound right turnpocket.

[54:03] We installed red curvil on holder to improve that site distance.

[54:07] We refresh the pavement markings on all the southbound lanes.

[54:11] And we restriped the yellow sun and lines and lane departure markings.

[54:15] And it looks really nice and it's a lot safer.

[54:18] All of this is to help the traffic flow increase the driver awareness.

[54:23] And again, enhance that overall safety and the intersection.

[54:26] So thank you again to public works for immediately working on that.

[54:30] and I reached out about that concern.

[54:32] Now, it looks great.

[54:34] And then, I do have one item that I would like to calendar.

[54:40] I'd like to agendas a discussion on developing a city vacant property

[54:46] ordinance addressing both commercial and residential properties.

[54:50] I've noticed several vacant properties and empty lots,

[54:54] particularly in district four.

[54:56] And I think, and of course, throughout when a park, and I think this is an opportunity for us to take a more proactive approach, vacant properties, can sometimes contribute to light, public safety concerns and additional demands on city resources, including code enforcement, police and fire.

[55:16] For example, I recently had to deal with some stuff that happened at the Ralph's parking lot on ball road.

[55:26] There's relatively large vacant space.

[55:29] It's used for street racing.

[55:31] You haul trucks are parked there for days at a time.

[55:34] We've seen transient activity.

[55:36] So I'd really like for us to explore mechanisms and programs that encourage communication with property owners,

[55:44] promote proper maintenance and help move that vacant commercial and residential properties towards productive use.

[55:50] Again, it's really important that we take a proactive and balanced approach.

[55:55] We want to support our property owners and business community,

[55:59] but we also need to fulfill our responsibility to our residents to ensure that the vacant properties are maintained,

[56:06] safe and do not become a source of light or unnecessary demands on city resources.

[56:11] So, that's it on my end, thank you, Mayor.

[56:15] All right, and then just a few on mine, but first, thank you to our city manager and just the staff who makes,

[56:21] basically makes it happen.

[56:22] So we had a lot of roads in district five that were repaved over the summer.

[56:27] And as of mid last week, there was the paint on the ground, including for the crosswalks near the elementary schools was not there.

[56:35] And so thanks Aaron for, in the rest of the staff for making that happen, they used, I'll just read with what it's called thermoplastic road making or marking a compound. So it's a really reflective paint.

[56:46] They got it done for stay a school tomorrow and everything is painted and looks incredible. So thanks for getting on that quick.

[56:52] July 22nd, Lumie Palooza incredible work by, by Lotus as well as the entire climate action commission for making that happen.

[57:01] I've seen like a big success as well as all the other staff who stepped up to participate in it.

[57:07] Especially those that were on the bikes that that that was a making the artwork and making the drinks.

[57:14] I know that yeah, it seemed like a very fun it was a very fun event.

[57:18] Let's see any more to really highlight from here.

[57:21] Police Department swearing in ceremony was an incredible event where we had a few new officers.

[57:26] we all set a promotion in dispatch. Those are always exciting moments to see how many officers

[57:32] we're bringing in and how many more we have gone through the academy while other cities are

[57:36] making cuts left and right. We continue to expand. Big thank you really, I mean to the voters

[57:42] for making that happen with our sales tax measure.

[57:47] Let's see. Also through on here on the eighth

[57:51] former school board member here in Winnipeark, named Ian McDonald's had his white coat ceremony

[57:54] I just want to give a shout out, congratulations.

[57:56] That means these school in the med school, medical school, and keeping consistent on the medical side.

[58:02] I thought I'd give a detailed update from the OCFA Operations Committee.

[58:06] We met today, in fact, it ended basically right before our council meeting started.

[58:11] And a few major changes on specifically ambulance response and firefighter response related to medical aid calls that I think are important to mention.

[58:20] So our county under our former EMS Director in my opinion was held back on improvements to patient care. Fortunately, that person is gone and so some of the changes that are happening. One of them includes more options for pain management for our EMS and BLS providers.

[58:38] all it really means those that are in ambulances and those that are in in the fire trucks that

[58:43] go out and engines to medical aid calls. So for pain management now we have a ketamine instead

[58:49] of just or instead of things like fentanyl I know there's a lot of concern as there should be on

[58:53] fentanyl and dosage we're looking at moving to being based on weight because when you had it

[58:59] be a standardized dosage for pain management you have to call 911. The problem is if you weigh more

[59:05] you're still getting the standard dose as someone who may be a woman who weighs 120 pounds

[59:09] was getting the same dose as we'll just say a man weighing 300 pounds. Clearly that doesn't

[59:14] it doesn't make sense. So we're finally catching up to the rest of the counties and so

[59:21] and also focusing on nausea and allergic reaction medication improvements that we have not

[59:25] had access to before. So a lot of people don't know this. I didn't know it until getting on OCFA.

[59:29] The county, EMS, and medical directors, they control through the board of supervisors, but they control a lot of what you can and can't have in services in these medical aid responses. So it's critical. We have someone there who listens to doctors and we finally have that.

[59:46] There's going to be changes to how we treat severe hemorrhage by using it's called TXA to stop heavy bleeding. Again, that's something that's going to save lives.

[59:56] we're still the only county in all of Southern California.

[1:00:00] This is not allowed pre-hospital blood, so if you're out in the field or if you're in a car accident,

[1:00:05] they're not going to do blood transfusion or giving you blood when you're out there, our county does not allow it.

[1:00:10] We're finally changing that to allow that, which again is mind boggling the amount of lives we've lost because of not allowing that.

[1:00:17] And the final thing I'll just mention, there was a law and list, but these are some that are just the more important ones I think are important to touch on, just for awareness.

[1:00:24] It's called bidirectional hospital data sharing.

[1:00:28] So basically using, and the only way we could ever do this,

[1:00:31] there would never be the manpower behind it,

[1:00:33] is utilizing AI systems that basically fully hit the compliant,

[1:00:37] takes the data for hospital data,

[1:00:40] learning about the outcomes of these transports,

[1:00:43] to basically, on aggregate,

[1:00:45] no information to the exact person,

[1:00:47] but to improve care,

[1:00:49] crew training and thus patient outcomes in the future,

[1:00:52] that is going live tomorrow at noon here in Orange County. So a lot of incredible updates out of OCAFA,

[1:00:58] the OCAFA medical director has really been one of the driving forces behind a lot of these changes

[1:01:03] as have some incredible workers within the agency. I just felt a lot of that was important to

[1:01:09] share so you know that you're just more aware too that what happens with the ambulances there's a

[1:01:14] lot of control the county has and it's good that we're moving in the right direction to catch up to

[1:01:21] report, do you want to take a break? Or do we want to go straight into the public hearing?

[1:01:29] All right, not seeing anyone wanting to take a break. So we will go to, we're going to go back

[1:01:33] to item 6A. This is the public hearing. Consideration of adopting a resolution authorizing

[1:01:41] the city of Buena Park to join the California statewide communities development authority

[1:01:45] and participate in the statewide community infrastructure program. So this is the time and place

[1:01:51] for public hearing to consider,

[1:01:54] that's making you read the same thing in exactly what I just read.

[1:01:57] I would like to call on Matt Folk's Director

[1:01:59] of Community and Economic Development.

[1:02:01] You're already there, already ready to give the report.

[1:02:05] Thank you, Mayor Trot and Members of the City Council.

[1:02:07] You also just read my introduction to paragraphs.

[1:02:09] I won't read it for a third time,

[1:02:11] but a couple acronyms that we're going to use

[1:02:13] a few times throughout my brief presentation.

[1:02:16] C.S.C.D.A. does stand for the California Statewide Community

[1:02:20] development authority and then the other acronym that we're going to hear a couple of times

[1:02:24] this skip or SCIP which is the statewide community infrastructure program. We would not be

[1:02:30] good government if we're not using long acronym. So those are the two that are going to come up a few

[1:02:35] times this evening. The item before you as the mayor mentioned is consideration of joining the CSCDA.

[1:02:43] This request is coming before the City Council for his consideration as a request from a developer

[1:02:48] and property owner at 5,600 Beach Boulevard, which is the former Amway Neutralite property.

[1:02:53] The city council approved an entitlement for redevelopment of this site with residential

[1:02:58] development earlier this year, and not long after the developer came forward requesting the city

[1:03:03] considered joining this joint powers authority, and I will explain why here in a moment.

[1:03:09] The primary reason the developer is interested in pursuing the SCIP or skip is that it would

[1:03:15] allow them to finance the payment of development impact fees through the formation of a special

[1:03:20] assessment district. So whenever a development project comes through our city, there are fees paid,

[1:03:27] there's direct fees, which are things around building plan check, building permit issuance,

[1:03:31] planning entitlements. And then we have another set of fees, which are called development impact fees.

[1:03:35] And these are really getting around the actual costs of additional services, things like water,

[1:03:40] sewer parks and these are called impacts of development. We are impact development fees. This

[1:03:46] developer is looking to finance those impact development fees, specifically our parks impact

[1:03:51] development fee through this finance mechanism by the state. The CSEDA, as I mentioned, is a joint

[1:03:58] powers authority which was sponsored by the League of California cities. There are over 500 cities,

[1:04:03] counties and special districts as members throughout the state, including a number in Orange County.

[1:04:08] The CSCDA was formed back in the late 1980s and then the skip program or the SCIP program was formed in early 2002.

[1:04:18] Since 2002, the skip program has issued over 1 billion in special assessment and CFD bonds for development projects statewide.

[1:04:27] If a property owner applies to participate in the skip program and the city approves that application.

[1:04:33] the selected improvements or related impact fees that will be owed to the city are

[1:04:38] financed through the issuance of bonds by the CSEDA. So the CSEDA is this joint

[1:04:44] powers authority, they issue the bonds and then it's paid to the bonds and proceeds

[1:04:49] are paid to the city for whether it's development impact fees or potential capital

[1:04:54] improvements. The CSEDA will form the community facilities district or the

[1:05:03] future property owners within that development to repay the bonds, typically the bond repayment

[1:05:08] period is between 20 and 30 years. This bond repayment is made known to potential buyers

[1:05:15] within that development. So when you go to buy in a given residential project, you'll see

[1:05:20] your estimated mortgage, you'll see your HOA, and then this will be a separate line item on your

[1:05:26] property taxes, which will be called a special assessment district or a CFD, and then what that

[1:05:31] is. Typically that amount ranges from between $1,200 a year and in some cases can be up to

[1:05:38] $5 or $6,000 a year. It really depends on how much the developer or property owner wishes

[1:05:43] to finance, how many units are in the development and then the size of the units. So larger units

[1:05:49] pay a little bit more, smaller units pay a little bit less. The developer then will pay those

[1:05:54] development fees at the time of either building permit issuance and are either paying us

[1:05:59] being reimbursed by the bonds or depending on the timing. If the bonds are already released,

[1:06:04] then we would be paid directly out of the bond proceeds. Importantly, the city is never on the hook

[1:06:10] for having to repay those bonds. They are administered by the CSCDA. They are repaid by those

[1:06:16] future property owners. The city's role is really just joining this joint powers authority to allow

[1:06:21] the CSCDA to administer this program on behalf of the city in that specific development. Once the

[1:06:28] are fully repaid, that assessment drops off of your annual property taxes for the property owners

[1:06:33] that live in that development, and it no longer gets assessed. The city, importantly, the city

[1:06:40] has to requisition those funds. So we get paid those development impacts fees. For example,

[1:06:46] a parks impact fee. When we go to make park improvements, our finance department, along with our

[1:06:52] public works department, we'll make a requisition for the bond proceeds that it went to pay for.

[1:06:57] And then we would use those bond proceeds to pay for that park improvement, for example, if it

[1:07:02] was a parks impact fee. If it was a sewer or water impact fee, the proceeds have to go towards

[1:07:07] the specific impact fee that was paid. So we can't use parks money to pay for sewers. We can't use

[1:07:11] sewers money to pay for parks. It has to be paid for the impact fee that ties directly to the impact.

[1:07:19] As I mentioned, the city is not liable to repay the bonds. And the CSCDA handles district formation,

[1:07:24] district administration, bond issuance as well as bond administration over the 20 or 30.

[1:07:31] The proposed resolution before you this evening is authorizing us to join the C.S.C.D.A. and allow the C.S.C.D.A to accept applications from future

[1:07:40] developers and property owners within Buena Park to apply for these taxisent financing and public improvements

[1:07:46] or the payment of development-related impact fees through the skip program. It also authorizes the C.S.C.D.A to form assessment districts

[1:07:56] or community facilities districts within the city as part of those future development projects.

[1:08:01] So this is not something that a one-off property owner, a homeowner is not going to apply to

[1:08:06] form a taxes and bond to pay for their ADU impact fee. This is going to be large residential developments,

[1:08:13] multi-family, four-scale product typically because an a four-rent project doesn't

[1:08:18] typically qualify for CSCDA or bond financing. So just to be clear on what type of projects

[1:08:25] will be looking at. Once an application is received by the participating developer and the project is

[1:08:30] approved by the city, the CSEDA handles all the district formation and district administration over

[1:08:36] the term. Staff is presenting the attached resolution for city council consideration.

[1:08:41] If the city chooses to join the CSEDA, but then in the future, which is to exit or remove itself

[1:08:48] from the CSEA joint powers authority, it would do so by a resolution at a council action,

[1:08:54] However, any CFDs or assessment districts that are formed during the time the city is a member would remain in place until the bonds are fully repaid.

[1:09:03] So if we decided to get out, but a project had come through and formed an assessment district, that assessment district would carry through the entire 20 or 30 year period.

[1:09:13] But future assessment districts or CFDs could be removed.

[1:09:19] That is the end of staff's presentation, and I would be happy to answer any questions.

[1:09:23] All right, first let's do the public, well, any questions before open it up for the public hearing portion.

[1:09:32] All right, so public hearing now open, Madam City Clerk, anyone wishing to speak via Zoom or in person.

[1:09:38] I have no request to speak, Mayor.

[1:09:40] Mayor, I just would quickly realize, I recognize Scott, who is from shop off development.

[1:09:46] Shop off is the project at 5600 Beach that kind of made the request for the city to consider this.

[1:09:51] So, I don't, sorry to put you on the spot.

[1:09:53] Scott, but if there's anything you'd like to come up and add?

[1:10:01] No, I got to Chesarei, Chopper Freeldy, just thank you all again for hearing outmat about

[1:10:08] this resolution, really here to answer any questions you may have from applicant, but obviously

[1:10:15] Matt is well-versed and everything as well.

[1:10:18] So, thank you.

[1:10:19] All right, perfect.

[1:10:20] And seeing that we have no other public comments, I'll just close the public comment portion,

[1:10:25] but if there's questions of course, we'll call you up.

[1:10:27] All right, so public hearing portion is now closed.

[1:10:32] So let's turn it over to the city council.

[1:10:35] Questions and comments by council members?

[1:10:39] Starting with council members, honey?

[1:10:44] If we did not do this, what would happen?

[1:10:51] So nothing in some respects.

[1:10:53] So the joining or not joining this joint powers authority

[1:10:56] is entirely within the City Council's discretion, whether Scott would be a better person to answer

[1:11:03] about what the direct impacts are to that project, but there is nothing compelling the city

[1:11:08] to join or not join. There are 500 city statewide that have joined, but there are many, many

[1:11:14] others that have chosen not to be part of the CSCDA. I'd like to know what would happen with this

[1:11:20] a particular project if we did not.

[1:11:24] Thank you, Councillor.

[1:11:26] So for us, the ability to finance the project

[1:11:29] allows it to be affordable for our home builder

[1:11:33] to be able to build a project and that's

[1:11:36] really the main if it is for doing this.

[1:11:38] We want to build our homes and this allows us to deliver them

[1:11:42] at a way that we can do so from a home building perspective.

[1:11:47] So if we didn't, are you saying that you could not afford

[1:11:51] to develop this project.

[1:11:52] It would make it much, much, much more difficult, yes, to do so.

[1:11:57] Okay, thank you.

[1:12:01] Councilmember Franco.

[1:12:03] Thank you, Mayor.

[1:12:05] Matt, first of all, you said that 500 other cities

[1:12:07] have joined on this in the state of California.

[1:12:10] Yes.

[1:12:10] Aren't there only about 500 cities in the state of California?

[1:12:13] There's a few more than that, but there is a most arm members.

[1:12:17] OK.

[1:12:18] Well, because it includes counties in special districts, so it's

[1:12:21] not just cities that can join the CSEDA,

[1:12:24] a county can join to administer and special district.

[1:12:27] So the overall number gets bigger,

[1:12:29] but you're right to conclude there are quite a few.

[1:12:31] I just thought there was like 480 cities in California,

[1:12:35] but I'm not gonna debate that.

[1:12:36] I'm curious about the control that the state

[1:12:38] might have over our territory.

[1:12:41] So this is a joint powers authority,

[1:12:44] so it's not state in that respect.

[1:12:47] They would, if we joined and an assessment district was formed,

[1:12:50] they would have authority to collect on the assessment within the project where the assessment

[1:12:57] district is formed. So that is, in some respects, giving up some level of control because

[1:13:03] there would be an outside entity that on your property taxes, if you're a homeowner in this

[1:13:07] development, you will be making a payment to this assessment district. Separate of the city's

[1:13:13] control.

[1:13:14] Absolutely. Local control is always very important to me, anywhere where we can expand

[1:13:19] our resources without losing control is something that my mind would steer towards.

[1:13:27] I'm a little lukewarm, especially fearing the fact that there is no negative consequence

[1:13:31] to the city by joining this. So I will yield until I hear more from my colleagues. Thank

[1:13:37] you. Councillor Vassani.

[1:13:41] Sorry. If I'm a homeowner in this project and this fee is on my property tax.

[1:13:51] And I pay

[1:13:52] everything in my property tax except this fee. How are they? What are the consequences to the

[1:13:59] homeowner?

[1:14:02] I'm not sure if I know the answer that, but I think it would be Chris closure at the

[1:14:07] end of the day they could for. By him. Well, the county I believe. But you paid you property. You've paid

[1:14:15] what you owed to the county. The county doesn't. It's on the rules the same way property taxes. So the

[1:14:22] enforcement mechanism is the same. It becomes a lean on the property. And any lean on

[1:14:28] property can be foreclosed on. And so by joining the county accepts the responsibility.

[1:14:37] Good Minister, correct? Okay. All right. I've never heard of this. So I have a lot of questions about

[1:14:44] So you may have heard that there are mellow ruse, is that a term that you guys, that sound familiar?

[1:14:50] Mellow ruse is the legal precedent that allows for cities and counties to create assessment districts

[1:14:57] or community facilities districts.

[1:15:00] Many developments in our surrounding cities, Europe, Linda, Brea, Tustin, Irvine, Fullerton. This is

[1:15:10] a sort of a common financing tool for residential developers to finance improvements, or in this

[1:15:17] case, the payment of impact fees. So it's not something when a park has done, so this is definitely

[1:15:24] a little bit of new territory for our city, but it is a very common tool implemented by residential

[1:15:29] developers in the immediate county as well as the region. And is there any difference in the

[1:15:38] total amount that the homeowner pays for this depending on how it's, you know, I assume that

[1:15:50] The cost are going to be pushed down to the homeowner, no matter what kind of cost it is.

[1:15:58] Is there more or less interest that accrues because it comes to property tax?

[1:16:06] Is it if you made it a set amount added to the price of the unit rather than a part of the property tax?

[1:16:16] Does it change?

[1:16:20] What potentially what the homeowner pays and the long run for this?

[1:16:28] I would welcome Scott back now.

[1:16:31] Happy to hear from the applicant.

[1:16:33] A bond is alone and it carries interest rate.

[1:16:36] Right?

[1:16:36] So if you take out a $50 million bond hypothetically and you pay it back,

[1:16:40] you pay more than $50 million over time.

[1:16:43] Right?

[1:16:43] So if you were to divide up the present day cost of these improvements

[1:16:47] right to check now versus financing that over 30 years it would cost less now.

[1:16:52] Correct. Okay. So it's that if someone paid cash for their unit and paid for the whole

[1:16:58] thing up front and it was included in the cost of the unit then they would pay less than if it's

[1:17:05] a part of their property tax that it's paid over 20, 25 years. Not that I've seen there's very few

[1:17:13] people that can afford to pay cash for their unit.

[1:17:18] Yes, my understanding in City Attorney may have a better

[1:17:21] understanding of this is that this is a fixed fee that gets put

[1:17:27] over 20, 30 years. And so that dollar amount is assessed on that

[1:17:32] property for 20 to 30 years. So even if you pay up front, that doesn't

[1:17:35] change the fee that is collected from the county. And so

[1:17:42] You know, that amount stays with the property for that long and that after that time period

[1:17:47] then it goes away.

[1:17:49] So let's just say it's $100 a month, that stays with that property.

[1:17:53] You sell the property, you're still not on the hook for the new property owner is the one

[1:17:56] who pays that $100 a month until the expiration of the, of the, of the bond.

[1:18:04] So you're saying you would not make it an increase in the cost of the unit itself, even if

[1:18:10] that we're not part of the property text,

[1:18:12] you would make it a monthly charge.

[1:18:15] That's typically how those work monthly

[1:18:17] or quarterly, depending on how it's kind of put out.

[1:18:22] And so that doesn't affect the cost of the home,

[1:18:25] specifically, it does actually decrease

[1:18:26] the basis of the home typically

[1:18:28] because there's less fee to build the home.

[1:18:32] Which means that the property text is lower.

[1:18:35] Right.

[1:18:35] Okay.

[1:18:36] All right, thank you.

[1:18:37] Sorry for all of these detailed questions, I'd say.

[1:18:43] Any other questions or comments from council?

[1:18:46] Oh, yeah, council and we're on it.

[1:18:48] OK.

[1:18:49] A few questions for both of you.

[1:18:59] So the first off, why was it brought up now rather than before this issue

[1:19:12] of Belarus. Was there a reason for the timing of this, after a consideration of your financial

[1:19:22] situation, building costs and whatever. Have you, is a why or, in other words, you

[1:19:28] know, we could have discussed this before when we were approving the project.

[1:19:32] So, the CSCDA through their own guidelines recommends that a council doesn't consider the formation

[1:19:40] until after the entitlements are approved but before the building permits are issued.

[1:19:46] So it's unrelated to whether or not the project entitlements and in most cases they

[1:19:52] recommend that the project entitlements are approved, then it's consideration of an assessment

[1:19:56] district or a community facilities district prior to building permits actually being issued

[1:20:01] to construct the project. So that's why we kind of are in this time period.

[1:20:05] Okay, so we don't have Meloruz in Bonaparte, right?

[1:20:11] Bonaparte does, Raya does, and a few other cities nearby, and from my understanding,

[1:20:20] this

[1:20:20] type of bond measure for property tax for the newly developed housing is more,

[1:20:33] it's to

[1:20:34] save on the cost of construction cost and whatnot, right?

[1:20:38] Or financial burden of the developers, right?

[1:20:45] I'm trying to figure out, yeah.

[1:20:46] We very much appreciate Scott is here,

[1:20:48] because he's giving the perspective of the shop off.

[1:20:50] If the city does elect to join the CSCDA,

[1:20:54] it would be applicable, there would be future developments

[1:20:56] that would be able to take advantage of it.

[1:20:59] So I don't want to tie these things too closely together,

[1:21:02] but as it relates to the shop off development,

[1:21:04] which we recently approved, Scott's happy to answer.

[1:21:09] Yeah, so the goal of this is also to decrease home prices,

[1:21:14] because by having decreased initial cost burden

[1:21:18] by developer home builder, homes can come at lower prices.

[1:21:22] And therefore, you're going to have lower property tax spaces

[1:21:24] and it makes an easier for home owners to get into properties

[1:21:30] because the cost of the home typically will be lower

[1:21:36] because you're able to get into, because you're able to have a less of a cost to put a project

[1:21:42] together, whether it be construction costs or development fees. I know that when we discuss

[1:21:48] this project initially, that the asking price or the self price will be market price at market price.

[1:21:56] Are you, is that still your goal? Yeah. Okay, so how would you make that affordability

[1:22:02] added into this picture of a market price thing.

[1:22:06] So typically projects of this size, it's especially in California, it becomes a pretty

[1:22:13] standard method in order to finance such large projects because fees can be quite exorbitant

[1:22:21] at the same time in order to get financing for projects using tools like this helps

[1:22:28] products to be able to move.

[1:22:30] We need to move forward, because there's tools that developers or home builders can use in order to decrease the burden to bring product to market.

[1:22:42] Right. So it kind of, it helps your profit margin as well, right, because you're saving on the cost of building interest in one not.

[1:22:53] I don't know how much you're saving, but I'm just trying to, like, understand the whole picture.

[1:22:56] Yeah, and they're, I understand that perspective, but it also helps

[1:23:02] Developers and folks raise capital so they can put projects together and build projects. So it's, it all, it all kind of works together.

[1:23:10] Okay, so let's say if the Miller use was created or implemented for this particular site.

[1:23:18] We're what are we talking about like, I know that depending on the size of the property, it may differ, but the average that an average of homeowner in one park pace, about 1.2% property tax that we pay twice a year, okay.

[1:23:34] So, I know that there was a number of floating around that was like $200 extra per month.

[1:23:43] Total $2,400 for this particular project, $2,400 for Miller's fee annually.

[1:23:49] Is that right?

[1:23:50] So, the goal of this would be, so the typical $1.2, the goal of this is to not exceed 1.4% on overall tax.

[1:23:59] So, it would be 0.3.

[1:24:01] depending on your pages yeah average right point yeah point three point four yeah point oh yeah point oh three point oh four yeah

[1:24:08] something like that yeah point yeah yeah yeah we're talking we're saying the same thing it's like

[1:24:14] 0.3% or 0.4% correct which brings up your property taxes from average 1.18 or 1.2 to as high as 1.4 or 1.5

[1:24:28] percent of your current property value.

[1:24:32] Yeah, we wouldn't be the goal is not to get to 1.5.

[1:24:36] Or a typical market is going to be around the 1.4 market.

[1:24:43] Around 1.4.

[1:24:44] Okay.

[1:24:45] Does it different just kind of for my to learn about the system?

[1:24:52] Is it how much you're asking for the bond?

[1:24:54] The total amount of bond that you'll be asking for

[1:24:57] that will determine the rate. Correct. I mean it's it's a little bit of both on there's

[1:25:04] a rate that is a typical market rate for this type of service and you know depending on what

[1:25:12] fees maybe associated with that that's it just kind of depends how we're looking at it. I see.

[1:25:19] So your builder is Lanar and I believe they have other developments in the city of Fullerton, is that right?

[1:25:30] I believe so, I'm not, you know, exactly sure what you're.

[1:25:34] Okay, because there's a new housing development that is also has implemented Miller's in that new neighborhood and their rate is 0.4.

[1:25:46] on top of Fullerton's average property tax rate.

[1:25:53] So I'm just trying to figure out what the rate will be in the city of Bonapark.

[1:26:00] If we allowed this to happen, just double-checking.

[1:26:07] Okay.

[1:26:12] I don't have any more further questions for you.

[1:26:14] Thank you, Scott.

[1:26:17] So,

[1:26:21] this is something you were discussing for the city of Bonaparte.

[1:26:25] And I know that Fullerton and is pretty much established city.

[1:26:33] Twice as big as ours, our city is a population of 84, 85,000, and it's only 14.5 square

[1:26:41] but sorry, mile, square miles, large, and we have already kind of like nearly fully developed in terms of residential area.

[1:26:56] I know there are certain pockets that we still need to work on, but we have a master housing plan.

[1:27:02] So that said, with considering the new projects that are up and coming like the Sears project or the project off of Dale, the Miller-Rooce never entered the conversation, it's already, I think, the smaller project is being almost near a completion.

[1:27:26] and the Sears Project of 1300, they are creating new roads and drive ways and signal

[1:27:35] lights and new sewer system, or like adding to that on the private property side on their own.

[1:27:42] And we never talked about the Melrose before. Am I right?

[1:27:48] Correct. So the project at the Elma Palma, which is currently under construction,

[1:27:51] that there was never a request, and so we're certainly not offering that up to developers if it's not available in the city.

[1:27:59] The same for the Sears Project, Merlin Gyer, never made any request for the formation of a facility district or assessment district or joining CSCDA.

[1:28:09] And so it was never brought forward for council consideration.

[1:28:12] Okay, so those two projects, they also presented to the council that their town homes will be at market price as well.

[1:28:25] Correct.

[1:28:25] All right.

[1:28:29] So, I'm not sure what's changed since last year.

[1:28:32] I'm sure the cost has gone up and I get found on the development side.

[1:28:38] But considering where we are in our city,

[1:28:47] I don't think I can support this item because I philosophically disagree with the implementation of a Belarus tax property taxes basically for the new investors or new owners.

[1:29:03] It's a burden on them as well.

[1:29:08] And I'm not sure if that would affect the sale of the property

[1:29:17] or whatever.

[1:29:18] I think it's definitely a negative connotation for people.

[1:29:22] Up in District 1, for a properties in District 1

[1:29:25] to have Belarus extra property tax charges,

[1:29:29] well as other parts of the city,

[1:29:32] like especially the new, another new development will not have that burden on the new consumer

[1:29:39] or new buyer of the homes. So I'm just trying to like see if there's any like fairness

[1:29:46] and that. And secondly, we are already like established city and developed city like us.

[1:29:55] I don't know if we should have Miller-Rue's type.

[1:30:00] We have developed a precedent for the future developments here. So I'm not sure if I can support this item. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. I'm done.

[1:30:16] All right. I'm going to go and then after myself, council member Sonny and then you have stuff after as well.

[1:30:26] So what I'm hearing is that the, so the first the benefit on the development argument is hey doing this makes it so project's pencil and you can build it, it's going to help build housing.

[1:30:39] That's on the developer side, that's on building housing.

[1:30:42] So then I think, too, okay, what's the benefit for the homeowners?

[1:30:45] Now clearly they're going to pay this over decades.

[1:30:48] And we're going to, when we're in a affordability crisis

[1:30:50] talking on another 2400, whatever, plus not whatever it's

[1:30:54] lot per year, instantly I go to after that.

[1:30:59] Well, then the argument for that is yes,

[1:31:01] it's going to be what is a 2400 more, but then on the flip side,

[1:31:04] that's going to make.

[1:31:05] because when I hear the arguments of,

[1:31:08] oh, when you increase these costs,

[1:31:09] it's going to make them sell for more.

[1:31:10] That's, and you didn't say that tonight.

[1:31:12] I just mean in general.

[1:31:14] I think that's a weak or BSR,

[1:31:18] you meant when I do hear that on projects,

[1:31:21] because the pricing is based on the fair market value

[1:31:24] unless there's some covenants of restrictions on the pricing.

[1:31:27] So knowing that I want to know,

[1:31:29] and that's what I'm trying to write my head around

[1:31:31] is doing this, adding this extra cost,

[1:31:36] is there evidence that suggests or proves

[1:31:39] that the fair market value of the property

[1:31:42] will decrease by the amount of that benefit.

[1:31:46] And I look at what the present value analysis of that amount,

[1:31:49] because you can't just put it out over the course 30 years,

[1:31:52] clearly there's inflation.

[1:31:55] But that's how I'm looking at this is,

[1:31:58] because you would think that higher property tax fee

[1:32:00] It means lower sale, fair market value, people will calculate that in.

[1:32:03] What's my full cost here?

[1:32:05] So it would lower the cost of the unit and clearly in California with $13.

[1:32:09] Our taxes going up, slower.

[1:32:10] Maybe the math does come out to there is that benefit.

[1:32:14] But I'm hearing the concept of that.

[1:32:16] I'm not actually hearing proof in examples.

[1:32:19] So I don't know if we have more details on that kind of benefit and what has actually

[1:32:24] resulted that we can learn about.

[1:32:26] It sucks outing on the extra money to folks, but if the price, if data tells us, it does go down

[1:32:32] at initial purchase price and over the course of time, they're going to save on the property tax

[1:32:37] and that initial purchase, and that math typically beats the present value analysis over the course of the

[1:32:41] 30 years of this cost. Then I think it's a good decision for residents, but I feel like I'm not confident

[1:32:48] in that right now. I think that's why you can tell them kind of on the fence on this item. So I don't know if

[1:32:52] of you are able to answer that or have more information you can share.

[1:32:57] I know it's kind of a lot of a question throughout there, but that's what's waiting on me in my head.

[1:33:03] So let me repeat your question back to you and see if I understand it correctly.

[1:33:08] So if you had a listing of projects that had taken advantage that were CSCDA cities that had to

[1:33:20] price of the units within that development are less than the fair market sale price of units that are

[1:33:26] not within a mellow ruse or assessment district. And that would be evidence to you that

[1:33:32] they actual sale price was reduced, which is that property tax reduction implication. Is that

[1:33:37] yeah essentially, and I know that's probably a tough thing to calculate, but when you're

[1:33:42] comparing it in maybe a same city, and I don't know if we looked into that because these are questions

[1:33:46] to find answers to it and it was tough to find studies on it.

[1:33:49] Yeah, that's a, that's not an unfair question.

[1:33:53] In fact, it's a fair question. I do not have, we did not go down that path of analysis.

[1:34:00] It would be, it would take some time quite honestly. There's, there's also a number of other factors

[1:34:05] that go into a home sale price. So comparing even city to city development to development,

[1:34:12] how much did they pay for the land initially, how much was the construction cost

[1:34:16] over the soil conditions. That would change the overall construction cost, which would change

[1:34:20] the actual and market value. The value of homes in even in our adjoining cities,

[1:34:25] Fullerton, differ from home sold in Buena Park because sales regions differ. So you couldn't take

[1:34:31] homes in Santa Barbara or the Bay Area. Even if they were mellow rose homes and draw a conclusion,

[1:34:38] you'd have to compare non mellow rose homes in that city, compared to mellow rose homes in that city.

[1:34:44] All that is to say, there is maybe something we could do.

[1:34:47] I don't think there would be a situation where we could definitively say, beyond what

[1:34:53] shop-off might give anecdotally, that this is guaranteed to lower the actual value of the

[1:35:00] home in terms of purchase price.

[1:35:02] Yeah, because at the end of the day, oh, I'm really looking at bringing it more broad is

[1:35:05] can I argue that us doing this decision was overall the right decision to benefit the residents

[1:35:10] long term and maybe maybe the question I asked wasn't the right question on that. So that's

[1:35:17] why I want to bring it a little more broad. I'm having it tough time seeing or being able to

[1:35:22] quantify that benefit because it's just 2400 a year is a lot to add to a homeowner. I know over

[1:35:28] time the present value of that would go down since it's fixed, right? The fixed dollar now not a

[1:35:34] percentage, right? Okay. Um, so is there any, are there any other factors, then we should

[1:35:39] be considering, since my more direct one, I know is tough to find him fill on. I tried searching

[1:35:45] it was tough to find it. It just more said. Yeah, in general, that's true. But it's, yeah, I would,

[1:35:53] Scott's going to regret coming to this meeting. But I will invite Scott up to give his perspective.

[1:35:58] I will say anecdotally, because I, there's very, there's no objective evidence anecdotally,

[1:36:04] as I reached out to other cities in our county who have joined CSEDA or have implemented

[1:36:10] Belarus. This is quickly becoming one of the tools in the toolbox, a recent tool in the

[1:36:16] toolbox in order to make projects even financially viable even at market rate. So shopoff is

[1:36:22] the one that brought this forward for our consideration and I have one other developer that has

[1:36:27] reached out asking what our status is because they were also difficult to make a project financially

[1:36:34] viable and this is a tool that they are now looking to potentially leverage if we were to

[1:36:39] join. So I think that's an anecdotal answer is that the benefit is that some projects are

[1:36:44] just no longer penciling for residential development and this is a tool that could help bring

[1:36:49] some of those projects forward. Fair comment from Councilmember On that there are other projects

[1:36:54] that are under construction that didn't need it. So trying to draw those comparisons and why did

[1:36:59] That one work and this one doesn't is a difficult question to answer, but maybe Scott has some thoughts.

[1:37:08] I'll let go of quite a bit of what Matt was saying with obviously each project is quite a bit different.

[1:37:15] From our experience, this is a vehicle that we've used on a number of different projects and for us it's something that is really needed to bring homes to market.

[1:37:26] That's really our big issue and our big goal.

[1:37:30] And by having some fees that can be extended over a long period of time, allows the projects to become market and viable.

[1:37:40] Frankly, if this is something we don't get, I don't know if the homes are going to be as market as they potentially could be.

[1:37:50] And so, that's kind of issues we're running into, you know, the goal is really with the

[1:37:56] by spreading out these fees, that initial fee doesn't get to the initial home price.

[1:38:02] And the initial home price typically will be lower because you haven't spent that much in either

[1:38:07] developer or construction fees. So, that cost savings per door does go on to the home buyer

[1:38:16] on the initial home price and then that does, you know, obviously extend throughout. So that's the goal of what we're trying to do.

[1:38:24] We're trying to get to a point where we can get our home building partner.

[1:38:30] A project that can can pencil for them so that we can deliver homes to one of our.

[1:38:45] Thank you.

[1:38:46] So it was formed in 1988 and then the skip program,

[1:38:51] which is the Infrastructure Payment component,

[1:38:54] was founded by CSEDA in 2002.

[1:38:57] So 24 years for skip and 40, something years,

[1:39:03] 38 years for CSEDA.

[1:39:08] Has anyone ever requested the city of Buenos Part

[1:39:11] to join this program before now?

[1:39:16] Okay, so it's never even been considered.

[1:39:19] We should talk to the longest standing member.

[1:39:23] Erin.

[1:39:24] Council member Sonny, I'm not aware of any developer asking us to participate in this program.

[1:39:30] Since I've been here for 21 years.

[1:39:33] Okay, the reports says that they decide whether or not the developer gets to have their development as a part of this program.

[1:39:44] How do they make that decision?

[1:39:48] What are the qualifying factors?

[1:39:51] Does something like that?

[1:39:52] Sure.

[1:39:53] So the CSEDA takes a look at a number of factors.

[1:39:57] So how much are you attempting to

[1:40:00] the ratio of the project cost versus what you're attempting to finance?

[1:40:04] So they look for that value ratio.

[1:40:07] I don't have the exact number in front of me,

[1:40:09] but that's one thing they look at.

[1:40:11] The market, the likelihood that there will be buyers for these homes on the back end because that's how these bonds are ultimately repaid.

[1:40:21] There's a number of those are two of their big ones, but there's a number of factors that they look at when they decide which projects they're going to accept into to create the assessment or facilities districts.

[1:40:31] Do we know what their percentage of acceptances?

[1:40:35] I do not.

[1:40:36] I have to assume an agent, a JPA that's been in existence for this long, has quite a bit of information reports and things like that available to understand more deeply the how it all works, why it's an advantage, why cities become a part of it, all of that kind of thing.

[1:41:04] I feel like we're missing a lot of information, the fact that so many cities and counties in other jurisdictions participate in it leads me to think that there are probably some very good reasons to join.

[1:41:24] But it also seems like a very big step for this city to decide to do that and I, I would feel much better if I, if I had more and better information to make this decision on it.

[1:41:42] No dispersions on this particular project are you in particular being here because we're talking about doing this for any potential development that asks for it in the future.

[1:41:52] So this shouldn't be on just your shoulders.

[1:41:56] But I want us to make the right decision here.

[1:41:59] And I, is there any way for us to table this for a short time until we can gather and

[1:42:11] see if a CSEDA has more complete information, perhaps a representative in the area that

[1:42:21] could come and talk to us about it.

[1:42:24] Just to give us a greater sense, it's just a totally brand new concept here, I'd never heard of it before tonight or before my gender review and I don't feel comfortable making a choice to do this without a deeper dive into the JPA and what it all means.

[1:42:51] Vice Mayor Hoke followed by Councilmember Franco, or did you still have anything?

[1:42:56] Okay, Councilmember Franco. Thank you, Mayor.

[1:42:59] So, I don't know anything about the CSTA, but I have heard about the mellow

[1:43:07] Rouge project and if please correct me if I'm wrong because this is before my time,

[1:43:13] but isn't that a tax for public infrastructure?

[1:43:17] One of the things you can finance through a community facilities district is

[1:43:21] infrastructure, other things you can finance through an assessment district is fees.

[1:43:28] This feels like a public subsidy on a housing project which ties the topic to maybe something

[1:43:36] like the projects in Los Angeles and I don't feel like a project in district one goes well.

[1:43:43] in any way, nor have I heard any clear evidence of actual savings to the homeowner of the unit.

[1:43:51] That hasn't been articulated here and I don't know given that 500 cities in California have

[1:43:57] participated that we're unable to produce any percentage even with different markets in place.

[1:44:05] Lastly, I feel like this opens up the floodgates for any developer to essentially take a loan on

[1:44:11] state and save some money while they increase their profits, yet they don't care about the

[1:44:17] resident that's going to be there in the future. So at this point, I've made up my mind and I

[1:44:21] will be declining further maneuver on this project. Thank you.

[1:44:32] So based on the mix of questions

[1:44:36] and feedback, I've heard, well I guess at first to mat on the specific project, clearly that

[1:44:43] wants to seek this, if we said yes to it, is there any critical concern on saying we wanted

[1:44:50] to lay this up to one month on making a decision that that would kill the project? I guess

[1:44:57] I'm looking to you. Just because there's a lot more information.

[1:45:00] It sounds like we need up here. It would surprise me if it just from what I've heard. If it got three votes tonight, but I haven't heard outright no beyond one, maybe two council members.

[1:45:12] So, I'm on the side of get more information. Can't get out up to a month.

[1:45:17] Probably not too weak.

[1:45:19] Permit issuance for the project is projected in the first part of 2027. So, we do have a window of time here to now bond issuance and assessment district formation.

[1:45:29] takes time but I think we do have probably 30 days reasonably to come back with some more information

[1:45:37] and still not dramatically changed the timeline for this specific project.

[1:45:42] And would that be reasonable saying bring it back at the September 8th meeting or more like

[1:45:48] the September 22nd meeting? September 22nd meeting would be my preference.

[1:45:52] Because that would be my, I guess we would just do that as a motion.

[1:45:56] That would be my motion on this would to be bringing this item back with more information and

[1:46:00] counsel.

[1:46:01] Of course, continue sending any questions directly to staff between now and that item, because

[1:46:06] it sounds like what I'm hearing, including myself leaving this way would need more information

[1:46:10] on it.

[1:46:10] I'm not totally opposed to it.

[1:46:13] By any means, I just, and I don't want to see a kill this project, too, or substantially

[1:46:18] negatively impacted stability to deliver the amount of units that have been improved.

[1:46:22] Um, but yeah, I'd be supportive of bringing the item back, um, at or before this December

[1:46:28] 22nd meeting.

[1:46:29] That'd be my motion.

[1:46:30] I'll ask if there's a second on it and then see if there's other comments, but would

[1:46:33] there be a second on that motion.

[1:46:35] I'm happy to second.

[1:46:36] I'm sorry, Vice Mayor, she can second, but I'd like to add a question to that.

[1:46:39] Of course.

[1:46:41] I understand that the housing development on that site will not count towards the

[1:46:46] renaunbers that the state is asking for.

[1:46:49] So I feel like if something like this were to pass and other developers were to take advantage of it,

[1:46:54] would it this again open the floodgates for more housing to be built yet we the city are still held accountable by the state

[1:47:01] to account for arena numbers.

[1:47:03] Councilmember Franco this will this project because it was not included in our housing element does not change its still counts toward our arena allocation.

[1:47:12] So it's not a site that we identified but all of the units and the affordable units count towards our arena allocation.

[1:47:17] Thank you, Director Fox.

[1:47:20] It is motion in a second.

[1:47:23] Councilmember Sonny.

[1:47:24] I would just like to ask staff.

[1:47:28] If you find out that any cities, especially local,

[1:47:33] joined this JPA in recent years, like in the last four or five years,

[1:47:41] if you could identify that for us,

[1:47:43] because they may have some research and discussion

[1:47:47] in their meetings that might help bring some light

[1:47:51] to some of the questions we're asking as well.

[1:47:56] Thank you.

[1:47:57] Mayor, I missed the second on that motion.

[1:48:00] That was nice.

[1:48:01] They did it at the same time, and then

[1:48:03] I'm sorry.

[1:48:04] I'm sorry.

[1:48:05] Frank, I'll decline.

[1:48:06] And then, Mayor, if I could recommend you

[1:48:08] add to the motion to continue the public hearing,

[1:48:11] so we don't have to re-advertise.

[1:48:12] All right. Add it to the motion is worded by our city clerk and this is a second. Continue. All right.

[1:48:19] All right. Please like to vote.

[1:48:30] Well, the title still says adopting a resolution off.

[1:48:33] It does the amend. So a man is as the recommendation.

[1:48:38] No, I see.

[1:48:42] I see.

[1:48:44] To amend motion.

[1:48:47] To bring it in the in the in late September.

[1:48:51] September 22nd, return. With more information. Right, bring the item back and then with additional information based on questions stated today and then any other questions Council has between now and then.

[1:49:02] Yeah, then can I add one more. Yeah, any questions even after the meeting as part of the item.

[1:49:09] And additional things to bring back.

[1:49:16] If we can see if there's any consideration of putting that in writing for being more competitively priced house if Meloruz was implemented.

[1:49:31] not sure if I understand.

[1:49:33] You want, you want Lenard to guarantee a lower price?

[1:49:36] Yeah, like a competitiveness,

[1:49:40] in other words, can you spell it out in terms of like dollars

[1:49:42] in sense, you know?

[1:49:44] How much would it be saving the based on current market price and so on?

[1:49:48] Because it seems like there is a belief

[1:49:51] that Meloruz will drop the sale price, right?

[1:49:55] That's what I thought I heard.

[1:49:57] That's part of the idea that information we were bringing back.

[1:50:00] Yeah, okay, just but I don't think we can ask a builder to commit to a specific number right as part of this market is full yeah fluctuating and whatnot and it's all based on the location location location so I get that but I just need something to change my mind about this. Thank you.

[1:50:22] Okay. Great. Thank you.

[1:50:26] Councilmember Andagee, select your vote.

[1:50:28] You did. Thank you. Motion pass four to one to amend.

[1:50:34] And usually this is when we take a break, we only have one item left and

[1:50:36] study session that would should last a couple minutes.

[1:50:39] Um, so I'm going to, unless anyone wants to say a break, I'm just going to

[1:50:41] recommend we'd go through it, right?

[1:50:44] Um, actually don't know.

[1:50:46] Uh, Adrian.

[1:50:47] Uh, Adrian.

[1:50:48] of government, community relations city clerk.

[1:50:50] This is item 9A discussing provide direction regarding the CalCity's annual conference voting

[1:50:54] delegates and alternate delegates.

[1:50:56] Thank you, Mayor.

[1:50:57] The CalCity's conference is in Anaheim this year, September 23rd through the 25th at the

[1:51:02] Convention Center.

[1:51:04] I'm tonight am asking Council to make two discussions.

[1:51:08] Our two decisions.

[1:51:10] The first is to select a voting delegate in an alternate and the second is to provide

[1:51:16] direction on how to vote on the one resolution for consideration, titled resolution of the

[1:51:23] General Assembly of the League of California Cities, calling for a working group to consider

[1:51:27] a state constitutional amendment or other form of initiative to ensure final local authority

[1:51:33] over housing and land use decisions. So first, if Council would like to select a voting delegate

[1:51:41] and an alternate?

[1:51:45] And no public comments?

[1:51:46] No public comments.

[1:51:48] And then, all right, well, who's going to be around

[1:51:50] then and wants to do it?

[1:51:51] It's just down, I mean, it's on it.

[1:51:52] And it's usually on a Friday.

[1:51:55] Yeah, it's on a Friday, usually at like,

[1:51:56] I've done it a couple times.

[1:51:59] It's pretty early in the morning.

[1:52:01] I'm fine being the alternate.

[1:52:03] I mean, I'm getting my kids preschool

[1:52:04] an hour earlier than I typically would,

[1:52:06] because I'd have to get them there,

[1:52:07] much earlier than that.

[1:52:09] So I prefer not to be the rep,

[1:52:10] but it's as anyone else want to be the rep.

[1:52:13] I didn't want to. I'm looking at some of your friends that help if it serves the council to represent and cast the vote if necessary. Thank you.

[1:52:24] All right, so call for thumbs. Frank O'Dell get trout alternate. All right.

[1:52:30] And then how to vote. And that is the only one is the deadline already passed.

[1:52:35] That is the only one, correct. There could be resolutions or bylaw amendments from the floor, but this is what we've received today.

[1:52:43] And just confirmed, because in the packet, it didn't really have any groups that have been opposing it. Not a ton supporting it yet, but is there any, was there any opposition that was filed? I didn't see any.

[1:52:53] I didn't see any either, just letters of support from a few cities mostly in the inland empire.

[1:53:00] Cal cities saying we're about local control. I think that's all they repeat 100 times a day.

[1:53:06] And don't want to say no to that. So anyone have a strong opinion on the item one way or the other

[1:53:14] how we want to direct councilmember Frank out about local control.

[1:53:23] All right. So I'll call for them

[1:53:25] to support the item.

[1:53:29] All right.

[1:53:29] Okay.

[1:53:29] Thank you.

[1:53:32] And obviously, the direction, just so it's clear, because it was a question, I think,

[1:53:35] my first or second year on council, it came up.

[1:53:38] If it materially changes between now and then, like, there's amendments that can kind of

[1:53:41] happen on the floor and stuff, obviously, you have freedom of the vote, however, you would

[1:53:46] like, kind of thing as the best interest to the city.

[1:53:48] So, I just want to make that clear in case you vote, the other direction, because it changes.

[1:53:52] So, there have been changes before and on the floor.

[1:53:55] member with art I think was art and he should go to the other way and it's a good thing he did.

[1:54:01] All right city managers for it. Thank you Mr. Mayor, just one update. The finance department is

[1:54:07] having a barbecue next week and I think a lot of you have been invited to that. If you're able to

[1:54:12] attend thank you very much, that concludes my report, Mr. Mayor. Commissioner and committee update.

[1:54:17] Yes, there's going to be an upcoming vacancy and district one for the cultural engagement effective

[1:54:22] August 19th. The Council member has been advised and that posting will go up on August

[1:54:28] 19th. Oh, and a city clerk, I think there's also going to be a vacancy for the climate

[1:54:34] action district too, so I have a recommendation to amend to that. Okay. We haven't received

[1:54:40] a resignation letter as of yet. Okay. So we will post the vacancy once we receive the

[1:54:45] resignation letter. Sounds good. Thank you. You're welcome. All right. Seeing nothing further,

[1:54:50] Meetings adjourned.

City Council Meeting – August 11, 2026

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