[3:17] Normally, the two five, you might be just standing off the side so you can, I have a break at the top.

[3:24] I know I feel like you can.

[3:26] I'm super hard. You're just like, I'm like, I'm still hiding.

[3:34] Oh, okay.

[3:37] Yeah, there's some brief souls that came out.

[3:49] So how's the draft coming up?

[3:55] It keeps turning full off.

[3:59] I'll keep turning it back on.

[4:01] Okay.

[4:04] No.

[4:06] All right.

[4:08] We were recording on this to go.

[4:28] And for that glance of.

[4:30] Okay.

[4:32] Awesome.

[4:33] All right.

[4:33] Welcome, everybody.

[4:34] Thanks for being here today.

[4:37] Let's start the meeting and you'll join me in the political lesions.

[4:44] Before the regents.

[4:46] Thank you.

[4:51] Thank you.

[4:52] Thank you.

[4:54] Thank you.

[5:01] Thank you.

[5:06] Thank you.

[5:08] talk about some water related stuff later on in the media and it's heading on what comes the next

[5:14] couple months will really make a big determination I think for the county and our economy and

[5:19] which is everything we do around here. So keep this hair is crossed and great for snow, great for rain,

[5:25] any type of moisture. Anyhow, all right, with that we have our agenda.

[5:30] I have a question about numbers.

[5:34] Question asked at me if I have a number two on the agenda.

[5:38] So we move that to what?

[5:41] Right.

[5:42] Right.

[5:42] And

[5:56] these things else.

[5:58] Any other thoughts?

[6:00] Dangerous.

[6:01] That's okay.

[6:02] That's okay.

[6:02] I can motion to move the amended agenda.

[6:05] Second.

[6:06] It is worth the second.

[6:08] All in favor.

[6:09] All right.

[6:10] All right.

[6:11] Review of public meeting list.

[6:16] Well, you go first to you and you've got the most detailed list here.

[6:22] There's a lot going on here for sure, so let's see tomorrow Senator Bennett was going to be here, but it got cancelled because of the weather, so he will rest at you and be back in the near future looking forward to that session.

[6:40] Um, let's see, the, uh, of the Arkansas, uh, Council of Governments has their meeting tomorrow

[6:48] at the new triple aid building in Salida, getting a chance to be excited about that. It will

[6:55] make, uh, with new meals for, uh, um, our older residents a lot better and all the services that

[7:02] the trip to the Arkansas area on agent's aging.

[7:09] A much better situation.

[7:10] So I will come forward to that.

[7:13] So C4CA has a legislative meeting in the afternoon.

[7:21] CKAT and CCI stuff on Thursday.

[7:27] CC4CA, CCI and the community works on Friday.

[7:34] I think

[7:42] we won't be in, I don't have a meeting next week, so we can go in and guess.

[7:52] The longing, co-leadership strategy meeting, great group of local leaders, kind of doing some planning there on Monday.

[8:05] Airport board on Wednesday.

[8:08] Give the library construction appreciation.

[8:13] Okay.

[8:14] Thanks.

[8:15] Let's get it right.

[8:17] I did go see what that library is looking like.

[8:21] Uh, worse.

[8:23] Uh,

[8:25] We're seek out stuff on Thursday.

[8:27] The legislature is full blast right now.

[8:35] Just sees the eye meeting on Friday.

[8:40] find yourself and slide on the 28th, I will be hosting Jennifer Griswald at the

[8:47] distillery, great opportunity to come and ask her questions,

[8:52] bringing General's Office for this running for it.

[8:57] This is the first week of March, it's full on PC4CA, but do we have a meeting on that, that's

[9:06] March?

[9:09] So we'll go along again.

[9:10] Copy your law,

[9:16] Mass.

[9:20] Okay.олод

[9:25] to ordinances.

[9:34] later that afternoon early evening.

[9:39] Let's see, I mentioned the CC4 C.A. Meining, another community member meeting Friday morning and I'm getting a physical Friday afternoon. So we'll see from the re back next week or not.

[9:54] And then Jacob County Community Awards are Friday evening on the 20th.

[10:01] So we're going to take it and go into those.

[10:05] Let's see what else we've got happening here.

[10:08] On Monday the 23rd, we've got a Zoom call with my friends at Excel about decommissioning Hydro Plan.

[10:16] And there's a slide of city meeting on 6 p.m. on Monday, the 23rd, around the South Arkansas development.

[10:27] There's needless to say some costing increases and that's some potential changes.

[10:33] And since that's my neighbor, I'm prepared there.

[10:38] Tuesday to 17th. There's a Medicaid coverage eligibility implementation webinar. There might be interesting driven off of a favorite bill each are one.

[10:51] And let's see.

[10:55] We'll do it for me.

[10:57] All right.

[10:58] That's great.

[10:58] Thank you guys.

[11:00] Obviously, we've tackled the line share.

[11:02] The only additional few things that can add that aren't also my list.

[11:07] So we just had this morning at the BFMP,

[11:11] so the voluntary flow management program, meeting,

[11:14] it's a half an hour, at least falls on before this meeting.

[11:19] It sounds like the five groups, which includes us already

[11:23] to sign the document, so they'll be great.

[11:25] We'll be there for later on tonight.

[11:28] It's seven o'clock is the Chief County

[11:31] search for a ski north director's meeting.

[11:33] Let's see, you guys, I think the C-Cat, C-C-I, I've been staff meeting tomorrow at one.

[11:44] I've been working specifically on, I'll still 1-0-0-8, the Alter Opportunities Acts here for the state.

[11:53] And we have our last work group meeting at 11 a.m. on this coming Thursday.

[12:01] One of the big focuses of, I'd say, well, everybody in the work group, which is comprised of

[12:07] telling throughout the state, is ensuring that whatever comes through CPW in terms of outdoor recreation

[12:14] includes the trigger and authority of local government having to say in what happens here with local

[12:21] work recreation needs. Right now, CPW has it, I think,

[12:26] doctored into the bill, that things kind of stay on a higher state level,

[12:30] but we want to ensure that local authority is included at that table.

[12:34] That's where the main stakeholder and I think we know better what's going on here than anybody else.

[12:39] So, working with them and essentially fixing the bill, if you will,

[12:45] and then it will go to the floor on the 23rd and so I'll be testifying that.

[12:51] So that's two big ease for me, and then on the 24th and next Tuesday, we have our

[12:57] T.V. Red Council meeting 11, and then one P.M. We have our common grounds committee meeting

[13:04] we have T.V. Treats on Wednesday, the 25th at 2.

[13:12] All right, my standing meeting and that brings us essentially tomorrow,

[13:17] but you guess what they're the best, so there's nothing going on.

[13:24] Nothing going on.

[13:26] All right.

[13:27] Up next, we have a public comment.

[13:32] And so, grab that.

[13:42] Okay, Jim.

[13:45] I can write.

[13:49] I would just like to say even address to the James Thompson

[13:53] or Jim Thompson, 17065, kind of road 338.

[13:59] As my education's in forestry,

[14:01] I had been watching the forest all winter long,

[14:04] and the problem we're dealing with,

[14:05] and is that the firteries with spruce trees,

[14:10] they will still function and wear it,

[14:12] when they do not have ground cover,

[14:13] snow are sufficiently low temperatures.

[14:16] They're circular systems to grow.

[14:19] So all winter long, for forest,

[14:22] I've been using up water on the ground, which snow is to replenish, so I think on behalf of a lot of people, I think we ought to notify our citizens to be very careful because we're going to go into maybe one of the worst fire seasons we've ever seen.

[14:39] So everybody needs to be careful and keep that in consideration. Thank you.

[14:45] Thank you. Anybody else in the room have public comment. The only other time we'll be setting

[14:52] comment is at the actual public hearing today for the Meadows. So if there's anything else that you have

[14:56] comment on, winner agenda, or...

[15:00] On anything else, now is the time.

[15:05] That's why I got Jeff.

[15:08] Okay.

[15:09] No, that's why I moved that piece out of a consent agenda, so I can ask.

[15:14] Okay, cool. All right, so then we will shift to public comment for folks online.

[15:20] So if, um, raise your hand, if you have a public comment you like to share.

[15:32] All right, all right, Susie Kelly, just a, you could share your name and then you're addressed and and you're off to the reasons for your comment.

[15:44] Susie Kelly, 25887, County Rose 319, and Buna Vista.

[15:52] I am just trying to find out about the common ground, funds, and I understand that's

[15:57] going to be on the agenda, so it'll be interesting to see how you're working that out,

[16:04] because it was sales tax and so forth that voted by the community, so I want to be sure

[16:11] still in the mix. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[16:22] All right. Anybody else in one? Let's go.

[16:28] All right. Seeing none, we will move along from public comments. We will happen to the minutes.

[16:37] I will approve the minutes from February 3rd, 2026 meeting.

[16:42] Okay, I have a person second all in favour.

[16:46] Okay.

[16:49] All right.

[16:50] Now we roll down to the consent agenda.

[16:54] Fairly enough, Dean.

[16:55] I'll read through each one here.

[16:59] And just note we did cool number two out to be here.

[17:02] First business item, but first thing we got, obviously pay the bills.

[17:06] I think knowledge to share this office,

[17:07] monthly report for January 2026, ratify the Veteran Service officers and monthly report for January

[17:15] 2026.

[17:16] And just a quick call out to you, Ashley Ottener, she did an excellent presentation on mental

[17:24] health and fees question it, yeah, she's been, she's been, she's been, she's been

[17:31] question it was really so, so her presentation was outstanding, so I just wanted to quickly

[17:36] recognize her.

[17:38] That was for continuing

[17:40] ad program that they run for all the

[17:43] VSOs in the state.

[17:44] It was really, really good

[17:46] thoughtful presentation.

[17:48] We're lucky to have that

[17:50] small.

[17:51] Yes.

[17:52] Yeah.

[17:53] Consider release of

[17:55] lotsales restriction for lots

[17:56] once through 18 of

[17:57] Cal pre branch major subdivision.

[18:00] Approve resolution

[18:01] 2026-0.

[18:03] Authorizing

[18:03] to deposit and invest a couple of funds, acknowledge the Treasurer's monthly report for January

[18:10] 2026, ratify contract with Quay, Ding-Boom Oates LLC for provision of special council

[18:17] services for the Chafee County Department of Human Services,

[18:24] approved by an all-of-2026

[18:26] budgets for a record-rangers, record doctors, and the Port of Credit Programs will be

[18:30] from the Lobbing Tax Area Allocation Fund of Balance, and then approval of the Red Ranger

[18:37] vehicle use agreement for 2026, and then consider amended commissioner letter regarding unfunded

[18:44] mandates to the state of Colorado and legislators as discussed at February 3rd, the OCC,

[18:55] And I think it's, well, that's an important letter, I think.

[19:02] The commissioner Marlin from the Crete County made a really good point.

[19:06] Or maybe it was math from that year.

[19:08] I'm going to give that about why they weren't sending one of those in.

[19:13] And it was,

[19:18] it's not necessarily the, you know, the unfunded mandates that are the biggest issue.

[19:25] They're big issue.

[19:27] But the fact that the state will not allow counties to go out and raise raise funds in any way other than property taxes,

[19:42] which if you're not de-brused, which if you're not de-brused, we don't have any room there to really do anything.

[19:50] So we're really handcuffed and our population continues to grow, our demands for services continue to grow

[19:57] and the state continues to restrict our abilities to increase revenues while they demand more from us.

[20:07] So anyways, I think that's, I think it's good we're sending that letter, but I think maybe there

[20:14] needs to be a follow up talking more about the revenue side of the equation, that's my

[20:21] rad.

[20:22] Right.

[20:22] Yeah.

[20:23] I guess the quick little call that I wanted to make was just for number nine, just so for the

[20:37] and BLM that really helps us with the own background folks for seasonals and to take care of

[20:43] our public lands.

[20:46] Record doctors, obviously, Garnas are supported for that, so they'll be helping them get

[20:51] a project management, additional support, contract with heavy equipment, contractors, covers

[20:58] for dumb fees, the Porter Party program I believe is about 35 units across the valley, and

[21:05] one's also covered there. So the units and the cleaning, it's constantly, we get a lot of

[21:10] folks using them, which is a good thing. One thing we use those versus health appliance. So

[21:15] anyhow, and then the wreck ranger vehicle use will be letting three vehicles, CPW, so they

[21:21] can have these folks drive around and access these areas to take care of this for a little bit more

[21:26] transparency and clarification on those. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[21:35] Well, with the modification noted earlier to the consent agenda, I'm going to look for

[21:42] people.

[21:44] Okay.

[21:45] Okay.

[21:45] First and second.

[21:45] All in favor.

[21:46] All right.

[21:48] Okay.

[21:49] So now we will convene a sushi fee County Board of Adjustment.

[21:54] We have one item on the consent agenda to approve Board of Adjustment Resolution

[21:58] in 2022, six dashes very quickly regarding the bone gardener appeal of administrative decision.

[22:09] I'll pay a promotion to approve the consent agenda. That's a little bit of a heated battle on

[22:15] that one, but a good, but a good discussion. And I think we will have some opportunities to talk

[22:22] about the reasons for that. What we can do within the land is going to make it work up with

[22:30] That would agree it was an important discussion and then it upward ended up

[22:34] which is fine, but it's just a start of continuing to adopt adapt and improve our land

[22:42] use code.

[22:44] I do hope that we hear from a handful of folks regularly that are worried about how the land

[22:52] And so I hope that this is our hearing, that we are hearing that,

[23:00] taking on going people up at the land use of callisax,

[23:06] allowing making sure that it is the best document that it can possibly be.

[23:11] And all that to say there with the, I think this last conversation,

[23:18] and we did have one earlier near two but speaking of chance to look at that.

[23:22] and refine it, we grow what works best is really important.

[23:26] So we can hopefully avoid more situations like this

[23:28] and just make it easy for everybody.

[23:30] I've worked on that for that at the very end

[23:31] and we have our Commissioner comments, but I do think

[23:35] it's a important call out and it's a good driver for adjustments.

[23:43] What did you do?

[23:44] I don't think so.

[23:45] Did you make motion?

[23:46] And I'll second it.

[23:47] OK, well, motion is second.

[23:49] All in favor.

[23:51] Okay. Now we will reconvene as the JP County Board of County Commissioners. There's no contracts or grant consideration. So then we will roll that because we may be adjustment.

[24:06] through item two, which was originally on the consent agenda, but is now our first item in the

[24:12] general business, which is the ratification of the second reading to adopt the county ordinance

[24:17] 2025-03 restricting open fires and open burning in unincorporated areas of Shafi County providing

[24:24] penalties for violation of such ordinance.

[24:27] And I had a question asked about how does this affect burn barrels and I did not know

[24:34] to answer that.

[24:35] I don't know if there's anybody available to answer that question.

[24:47] All right.

[24:48] Andy.

[24:51] Sorry.

[24:51] No, no, no, no.

[24:52] Have it.

[24:53] It's good.

[24:56] Good.

[24:59] commissioners, burn barrels, you know, originally we had had that as part of the fire restrictions,

[25:06] that they were not allowed. However, it is used quite often here in the county with agriculture.

[25:12] So that was part of an agreement with the fire districts that we did remove that. It wasn't in the

[25:19] original restrictions. But we did remove it out of this one after consideration. So right now it's not on there. It's not a fact that it's just just like any other burning is where it would be held.

[25:35] I think that answer was that.

[25:43] So I would answer I'd make the motion to rat slide on second to be a adoption

[25:49] in a calendar or a next.

[25:50] One, two, three.

[25:54] Person a second, all in favor.

[25:57] All right.

[25:59] All right.

[26:00] All right.

[26:00] I'll catch up with you.

[26:02] after all right, or give me a call later if you want.

[26:09] Yeah, it's so you can do it. You're okay.

[26:24] All right, up next presentation from fair and peers on the chief of county see for

[26:29] degrees for all safety and project.

[26:33] Nice.

[26:35] To quote 16-time granular work winner, it bill.

[26:40] Hello.

[26:41] I am here this morning to introduce Patrick Picard.

[26:44] Patrick is here from Fair and Pears.

[26:48] The lead project manager for our safety action plan.

[26:52] Our safety for roadways for all safety action plan projects.

[26:56] Patrick Scott, a presentation this morning.

[26:58] And I think we've finally kicked this thing off in our wrist and wanted to bring the folks

[27:02] and fair and peers up to let you guys know a little bit about what's going on.

[27:06] This is a project led by the Planning and Natural Resources Department Gary Baker is our

[27:10] principal on this one.

[27:12] Nick Gilbert's been helping him out a bit, but Patrick and his team from fair here is doing

[27:16] a lot of the heavy lifting.

[27:18] The other side of that project, as you guys, like we remember, deals with mitigating

[27:22] wildlife vehicle collisions in the county, you'll have a presentation from Julia Kench, the

[27:26] principle of eco-resolution search for next meeting on that side of things. But I think we can bring

[27:32] Patrick up and take it away. I'm going to go ahead and share. Here's everyone going to see

[27:43] this works.

[27:47] Thanks for being here with us. Yeah, thanks for having me

[28:07] here. My name is Patrick

[28:10] card and the fair and peers as Miles mentioned, we are, where the consultant that was selected

[28:16] for, um, to lead this, uh, planning process. So, uh, fair and peers, uh, are office, uh,

[28:23] that working on this, uh, action plan, where they start a Denver, um, and we've worked on a number

[28:27] of these, and different communities around the state. So, really excited to be helping

[28:31] Chibi County help with this one. Um, as Miles mentioned, the, uh, official name of this, uh, plan,

[28:38] and it will be the shaky county safer roadways

[28:40] for all action-play.

[28:43] So I have about 15 minute or so presentation.

[28:45] We've just gotten started with this project

[28:47] just in the last couple of months.

[28:50] So not a lot of like outcomes yet,

[28:54] but just want to give you a sense for what

[28:57] the process is going to look like what we're anticipating

[29:00] and have a quick, a fairly simple question

[29:03] for you all at the end.

[29:07] So I'm going to go over the project time

[29:10] line, a little bit details about some of the outreach that we're doing to get community input,

[29:14] want to cover the expected outcomes, and then, as I mentioned, just have a, for a question,

[29:20] and provide an opportunity for you all as to be questions.

[29:23] So, the main goals of the project are to conduct a comprehensive traffic safety analysis.

[29:33] Also, getting community input on their top traffic safety concerns going to be hugely important.

[29:38] And ultimately, we want to develop an implementation plan that you all can use to work towards

[29:44] improving safety on the roads and shape accounting and go after leverage this to go after

[29:54] there's a lot of other grant funding and external sources to help implement some of those projects.

[29:59] And just to make

[30:00] Make sure that we're on the same page. This specific plan is focusing on county roads and state highways and

[30:05] chiefs, so we're not including the town and city streets.

[30:13] Just a little background on the safe streets for all grant programs. So this was established.

[30:19] During the Biden administration, it's a $5 billion FHWA program that competitive grants and they've been awarding them every year.

[30:28] This is actually the last year, 2026, that they'll be a grant cycle, at least for now, unless Congress moves.

[30:37] That's what I don't know what they're going to do next year, but that's where we are now.

[30:41] And Shafi County was awarded a grant to conduct this development plan.

[30:47] And the focus of the real focus of the projects are to reduce or eliminate fatal and serious injury crashes.

[30:54] So we're not necessarily looking to eliminate all crashes,

[30:58] but it's the serious ones we don't want.

[31:00] The goal is to not have people getting killed

[31:02] and seriously injured traveling around the county.

[31:09] But developing a plan, you'll set yourself up

[31:11] as I mentioned for grants.

[31:13] It's one of the key things for actually

[31:14] the implementation grant funding through SS4A,

[31:18] but because of the delays that getting this project started,

[31:22] I'm not sure it will be able to hit that last grant.

[31:24] cycle, but there are other opportunities that out there, and I'm sure we'll come in the future

[31:29] and say if you can, it will be well set up to take advantage of those.

[31:34] And then one of the other core principles of the Safe Systems approach, which is kind of foundational

[31:39] pillar of the Safe Streets Brawl, is redundant system.

[31:45] So, you know, focusing on not just one aspect of the safety for roadways, but looking at all aspects.

[31:57] So, looking at speeds, looking at multiple modes, looking at vehicle safety, looking at, you know, human actions, all of those things and kind of putting them all together and making them redundant.

[32:08] And if we implement all of those, then it would be more likely to

[32:13] event to feed on severe injury crushes.

[32:17] And there's that's kind of like the SS4A diagram that FHWA uses,

[32:21] which is on the screen.

[32:24] Okay, so the timeline we started this project, just as I mentioned,

[32:29] just in the last couple of months.

[32:32] And anticipating it will be about a 10 month or so process.

[32:35] And we've broken this up into just really three major phases of the project, so the first that we're in right now is doing our kind of analysis gathering all our data gathering input from the community on what their concerns are putting that all together and that will kind of picture for what the issues are that we need to address so that we get into April.

[32:55] We'll start looking at developing solutions and draft recommendations, bring that back to the community in the summer, and that's that, and then jump into final plan and the hotline dashboard in the late summer fall.

[33:12] And as you can see, there's two kind of major rounds of community input, so we're doing one right now and actually just in the process of gearing up, there's an online survey right now that we've already gotten feedback on.

[33:25] And we're going to be doing some heavy promotion for that over the next month or so

[33:29] to try and get as many survey responses as we can, because it's really valuable and

[33:34] important.

[33:35] But recommendations and outcomes of the plan will be aiming to wrap that up by early April.

[33:42] And then once we'll have another round of community input, as I mentioned, once we have

[33:48] some draft recommendations and outcomes that they can see all the feedback and present all

[33:52] data houses and what that's showing to the community and make sure we understand any other

[33:58] concerns or desires they have on the job for generations.

[34:05] Just go through each of the major phases, just some highlights here.

[34:09] So, in this first phase, as I mentioned, we're analyzing a lot of the crash data and other

[34:15] contextual factors and painting a picture for what the issues are, we're also a couple of key

[34:21] comes from this first days or developing a high injury network and high risk network,

[34:25] so I don't know, some of you may or may not be familiar with those terms, but just to clarify

[34:29] a high injury network is basically what are the roadways within the county where you have

[34:34] a disproportionate of the crash data, it shows a disproportionally high number of fatal and severe

[34:39] injury crashes, and often you'll get, you know, get something like 10% of your rows account

[34:47] for 70 or 80 percent of your fatal and severe injury crashes.

[34:52] So it's really to focus if we focus our attention on those areas that we'll have to

[34:57] get kind of the most being for our bucking.

[34:59] The high risk network is equally as important because the crash data can be somewhat random,

[35:06] but over if you get a large enough sample size, then you start to see trends.

[35:10] So the risk network will be based on risk factors that are commonly associated with crashes

[35:16] And we're going to do a whole analysis to figure out what those are, and then map those out in the county, and then we'll see all of the roadways where that disproportionately high chance of high risk for crashes in the future.

[35:30] And then one of the other key outcomes of this first phase is developing crash profiles.

[35:35] And these are, to know, what are the most common kind of trash types that we should be working on mitigating about data fatal severe injury crashes.

[35:46] I've listed three below.

[35:48] Those are, this is just a teaser.

[35:49] We haven't started, but these are the, these are some of the likely ones that are, to emerge from just some of the early crash pictures that we're seeing.

[35:58] But as I mentioned, it's just a teaser and we'll have more information specifically on what,

[36:03] those crash types I want me once we get through their analysis, but I just wanted to show

[36:06] an example of what that would look like.

[36:11] Phase two, as I mentioned, will be moving into draft project recommendations, so one of the

[36:16] excellent key outcomes of these two are developing a countermeasure tool box, so looking at some

[36:21] of those common crash profiles, what's the tool box to address those? What can the county do

[36:26] to address those? And that way, when we have a specific location, we can look at a tool box

[36:32] and figure out which one might apply, whether it be for example run off the road crashes,

[36:40] rumbles strips or guard rails or some speed mitigation or signage, or for no left turn crashes

[36:47] could be a median or left turn lanes or exclusive phases for left turn to a signal that kind

[36:56] of thing.

[36:57] And so another key outcome is we're going to be taking a deeper dive in some of the priority

[37:02] locations, these are often intersections or corridors, and then identify what the issues are

[37:07] at those locations, pair them with countermeasures that are likely to be most appropriate

[37:11] and that ultimately result in our project list, and we'll develop a prioritization methodology

[37:18] because we know that it's generally not possible to implement all projects simultaneously,

[37:24] so we want to give you some tools for which ones should be prioritized.

[37:30] And then in the last phase, we will be developing the final plan and online dashboard.

[37:38] And then there's one other actually piece that's not mentioned on here.

[37:41] But we'll be identifying 10 high priority locations where we'll be doing some concept design,

[37:46] to help set the software implementation.

[37:52] I just want to cover a little bit more specific on the outreach.

[37:55] So in this first round of outreach, really the main goal and one of the most valuable pieces of information

[38:01] you can come to the community and through the online survey.

[38:04] So online surveys live have a QR code and link to that at the end of the presentation

[38:10] and we'll be promoting that through pop-up events, actually through a sub-consultant

[38:16] that's helping us out with that and online media and social media and all of those things.

[38:25] We also have a forming a steering committee right now that's going to help guide the project

[38:30] to meet a program presented to some different agencies that have a big stake and kind of outcomes

[38:37] are more connected to other transmissions in this case. And then we have a project website that

[38:44] will be updating regularly. There's a link there that project website is live as a last week

[38:49] and it has a lot of information about what we're presenting here today and as we get through

[38:55] different stages of project will be updating that on time. Phase two of outreach which will

[39:00] per over the summer is once we have those draft recommendations

[39:03] we'll be going back out to the public.

[39:05] And we'll determine whether we do open house meetings

[39:08] and other online survey will kind of figure that out

[39:10] at the project team or essentially focus groups.

[39:15] And just on the right is an example of the dashboard

[39:21] that's sorry, not the dashboard.

[39:22] The online survey interactive map,

[39:24] which is going to be one of the most valuable tools

[39:26] that we use that we get community input from.

[39:28] So we're going to combine that with a lot of the crash data analysis that we're getting and help that help us identify

[39:34] some of the locations that we should be focusing on for this plan. So I encourage all of you to

[39:41] spread the word and direct people to that survey. And then lastly, just want to summarize some of the

[39:49] expected outcomes. So as part of, and a group these roughly in phases, there's some overlap between

[39:55] some of these phases, but out of the nine here,

[39:59] so as I mentioned, the conference traffic safety analysis,

[40:01] community engagement, which we'll actually do

[40:03] in phase one, and phase two,

[40:06] a high injury and high risk network map,

[40:08] kind of measure toolbox.

[40:10] The Equal Wildlife Mitigation is a big part of this,

[40:12] and as Miles mentioned, we're working closely

[40:15] with eco-resolutions on that part.

[40:17] We're looking at kind of the whole crash profile,

[40:20] Julia is focusing on that vehicle wildlife piece,

[40:23] and it will be kind of wrapped in together,

[40:24] Coming up with a prioritized project list and then phase three, recommended programs and actions.

[40:31] Here's where I mentioned those concepts, solutions for 10 high priority projects and then online at the dashboard that you can use to kind of track help progress over time in the future.

[40:43] Okay, before I jump into my question, just want to pause and see if you all have questions for me.

[40:50] No questions, but excited for the research and development

[40:54] to see what comes out of the so far, especially

[40:56] with a wildlife question.

[40:58] Let me go in from great.

[41:01] Yeah.

[41:01] Thank you.

[41:01] Good forward to the return.

[41:03] So.

[41:05] Tactics and actions we could take.

[41:09] Great.

[41:11] Well, this is completely open.

[41:14] Since I'm here, I want to just see if there's anything

[41:16] that you all would want to share on.

[41:18] And specific concerns that you're aware of, you know, based on kind of your connections to the county that we should make sure that we're paying attention to as we do our process.

[41:32] Yeah.

[41:32] That too.

[41:33] Yeah.

[41:33] One is one is the just speaking from our friends and Maysville.

[41:39] I get lots of funny males from asking about Jake Briggs signs and we're full of that.

[41:45] But on a CDOT road, we have to look with CDOT to get that done, but how high burns are for

[41:54] left-hand turns, right-hand turns, so people are coming essentially on roads that have a higher

[42:00] mile per hour limit.

[42:03] Just kind of curious about that.

[42:05] There's a place along Highway 50 that have been in terms of the past.

[42:10] So just people's ability to see when they're coming up from the side road on to Highway 50.

[42:14] And then I had mentioned earlier, just the wildlife, you know, living here and BB driving down to the county almost every day, but close to it.

[42:24] The amount of portion of roadkill is wonderful and it's not great to see. It's hard for the person driving the car.

[42:33] but some in danger and I don't like to see the wildlife being up either. So those are two things

[42:39] off top of my head on the spot that I would call out. I know there's quite a bit more, but

[42:46] I'll stay the obvious one, I think. Minor, yes. No, there's a well thought out.

[42:52] You know, mine is pretty simple. When I drive up to BV from Salida, I typically put my speed control

[42:59] on 64, which isn't everybody in the room will know

[43:02] is four miles an hour over the post and speed limit.

[43:06] So I'm technically speeding.

[43:07] Is Andy still on?

[43:08] Yeah, I'm telling you this.

[43:10] I've told Andy this.

[43:12] He's welcome to take my license anytime you want.

[43:16] And he can.

[43:18] But the point being, how many cars go by me?

[43:23] Well, I'm already over the top and as many people know,

[43:27] There's a logarithmic relationship between speed and reaction time and ability that respond to

[43:34] the situations where they're to hands or bicycles or whatever so.

[43:40] Yeah, that's a great. Oh, I got that's a great point. I can respond to a couple of those two.

[43:47] Well, and hopefully we'll pay some attention to the

[44:08] But I

[44:15] don't have much to say.

[44:26] but there's a lot of kind of put a number to it.

[44:29] So, Tafi County does average at least five fatalities per year

[44:34] on our roadways.

[44:35] So, I think that's something that this plan is directly

[44:39] intended to address and reduce and hopefully eliminate.

[44:43] And then, in addition to that, dozens of severe injuries.

[44:47] So, these are real things happening out there.

[44:50] I think this kind of links to how important that's planning.

[44:55] Yeah, look forward to your more input.

[44:58] Yeah, thanks Gary for bringing that.

[45:00] Up and we're actually doing like a deeper guy on that crash due to us, I didn't want to put a numbers out right now, so we kind of

[45:07] kind of go solidify but that's roughly, that's roughly what we're seeing. And then similar with the wildlife

[45:14] collisions, it's what we've seen is close to 30% of all crashes in the county are a vehicle wildlife

[45:20] part of the agency. Now they make up not as high proportion of fatal severe injury for people at least, but I actually talking to Julia, she points out that not all while the collisions are recorded in the crash data as wildlife collisions, particularly like somebody were to swore and then run off the road and hit a tree, it would be a run off the road crash, which is one of the most predominant that we see. So there's a lot of relationship there.

[45:50] And then we will be collecting, we're actually using, um, we get kind of an anonymous data set from in vehicle navigation systems.

[46:00] You can predict data, uh, to get operating speeds and we're going to map the operating speeds, uh, 50th percentality, 50th percent throughout all the computer roads.

[46:10] And kind of see the correlation to that with some of the crashes. So that's going to be something that we take a look at and you're exactly right.

[46:16] speeding is one of the highest oralary factors to crashes, and it's sometimes it's people going

[46:23] exceeding the speed limits, sometimes it's roads that are potentially at close to the higher

[46:27] than they should be to give them a customers. And it could vary you know by whether it's the systems

[46:33] the night versus daytime that kind of thing.

[46:40] And yes we'll be looking at the dirt roads too.

[46:45] And I will just leave you with that. So there's the QR code for this online survey that we have right now, as well as the website.

[46:58] And we'll be promoting that.

[47:01] Well,

[47:05] which I had brought something to have some pliers and I did not pick those up, so apologies, but it's available on like you are being shared.

[47:21] Thank you.

[47:22] Thank you.

[47:28] I don't know if there's anything else I'll scare you.

[47:30] Make you guys want to share a curtain.

[47:34] Okay.

[47:37] All right. Moving right along. So now we are going to roll into our public hearing to consider multi year special event permit application.

[47:45] The name of the September concert at the meadows.

[47:49] So.

[47:50] All right.

[47:50] Good morning.

[47:51] Start with you for that.

[47:54] Reporting.

[47:55] Representing the.

[47:56] Finding part of the county. So.

[47:58] Sure. Well, I'm sure you'll have memorized this presentation ready, but I'll give it never the less.

[48:02] And just a little bit of context here, this forward already approved a multi-year resolution for an August concert at the Meadows, starting this summer, that'll be a three-year permit with a max capacity of 10,000 people.

[48:16] And so this permit application here largely matches the contents about that already approved permit for August.

[48:24] So, this request is for a concert in mid-September, specifically for 2026 and the September 17th

[48:31] to 21st, that would be a Thursday through Monday with live music, main stage, amplified

[48:38] music from Friday to Sunday, Friday and Saturday the music would go to 11 at night, on Sunday

[48:45] the music would go to 10 at night, largely the attendance is going to be kept at 11,000

[48:50] people, but on Sunday they'll be offering a local's ticket, 500 local's tickets, so on Sunday

[48:57] the max capacity would be 11,500.

[49:00] That's going to be the largest sort of difference between this permit application and the

[49:06] one that we'll have already approved.

[49:08] In that the already approved one, CAPS the attendance at 10,000 people, this one would have

[49:14] at 11,500, but again, most of that would be a left-thousand cap that.

[49:22] So this would be a three-year permit, so again, similar to the prior

[49:26] permit, so three-year multi-year permit each year allowing for a festival

[49:30] in the middle of September.

[49:34] This also is going to match the sound limits placed on the previous application,

[49:40] So it's going to be 105 DDA, which is consistent across most of the meadows events that have occurred, and then 1117 DBC, which was arrived at last time after quite a bit of deliberation.

[49:53] So you all have already heard a permit request for mid September.

[49:58] These dates, why not that they are not in direct conflict with other approved events in the county, and then they're not on to be holiday.

[50:09] weekends with a matter of concern last time around. So we reached out to our referral agencies.

[50:14] The ones we heard back from largely wasn't an issue, I'll point out that the fire protection

[50:20] districts said they would be able to work the events, so they were big and saying that they

[50:25] could not work the previous September application due to conflicts with other events and

[50:32] they weekends and so they said that they would be able to do this. I have not heard back

[50:39] from the sheriff or EMS but I know at least we have the sheriff online to comment on that

[50:43] and hopefully we have EMS as well. The town of BV also did reach out expressing their sort of

[50:49] standing concern with traffic issues and they would receive the receiving a traffic plan.

[50:54] If this were approved they'd be receiving the traffic plan about 90 days out so they'd be able to

[50:59] comment on that and be prepared for what it's going to be like.

[51:05] So that's most of what we have here.

[51:07] Again, it largely matches that prior to permit.

[51:11] Day for the max attendance.

[51:13] This one would be a greater max attendance with the Thursday,

[51:16] ingress, Monday, egress, and main stage music Friday Saturday and Sunday.

[51:25] One quick.

[51:26] So in terms of the dates, this would be sort of the three years.

[51:31] it would be the third week in of September. Yeah, it's just kind of perennially those similar dates,

[51:38] but we could emphasize third weekend specifically. Well, just figure if we knew, okay,

[51:43] what's going to be that one, then everybody else could plan here together. So inverses in the middle

[51:48] because we could write that into the reflection. And I'll ask the same thing to them when they come up

[51:54] I don't know any questions or staff.

[52:03] We have the applicant here, and then I believe we have some more for all agencies on slide.

[52:07] All right, thank you.

[52:11] All right, come on up.

[52:14] It's you again.

[52:17] Thank you again for welcoming up here.

[52:20] I am very grateful to be able to present this new permit to all.

[52:24] or these new dates and I believe in our discussions and our meetings in between the last

[52:31] last hearing and today we found the solutions obviously the date being the biggest one but

[52:36] we also address some other issues as well. I think we have all our emergency teams either on board

[52:42] or at least willing to commit to the date and that was obviously the biggest issue at the previous hearing

[52:50] And I do want to emphasize that in the meantime, we continue to be very proactive with our neighbors and our community.

[52:56] We haven't stopped that as we continue to progress here to particular things for this application is there's the autumn race happening.

[53:05] And that's a BD running race that happens. We are talking to them. We are now very operating with them.

[53:13] of our traffic team to help that race.

[53:15] We're going to add participants to it from our event.

[53:18] So instead of running, we add an internal race last year.

[53:21] We'll actually add those people instead to the autumn race.

[53:24] And we're going to give free tickets to the volunteers.

[53:26] We're going to give prizes for the winners.

[53:29] So we actually have a really nice relationship with them.

[53:31] I believe they wrote that Nick and I kind of said

[53:34] that they're very much the support of our event.

[53:38] The other thing that was interesting is we learned from Annie

[53:40] the town that the B.B. Strong dinner, which doesn't conflict, that's the week before us.

[53:46] But that's a, I mean, it's a really special event that happens in B.B. They have two expenses,

[53:52] chairs and tables, and the tables are extraordinarily expensive for them because they have to

[53:56] ring them all the way from the front range. So it happens that it's especially to be realized that

[54:00] our tables come a day later than that B.B. Strong, and we have enough tables coming to our event

[54:06] to complete take care of the tables for their event. So we are now bringing our tables in

[54:10] day early from our vendor and blame them how those are free. So that will basically have the

[54:16] cost of that to then and put it on really strong financial flooding for ongoing ongoing

[54:21] so they can do it year after year. So again these are things that we do I think and it's fun to

[54:26] do and be able to contribute and match what we're doing in the community with what we need in the community.

[54:34] So as Nick said, we are asking for essentially the same permit as the one that was approved for

[54:40] I guess the one exception is this increase from 10,000 to 11,000 people want to clarify that

[54:48] that extra 500, that 115 is just on Sunday, it's just for the locals only take it and

[54:56] we experience it both events about 700 to 800 people to part on Sunday, so net net it's

[55:02] no real increase on site, so it works out quite well in terms of that, but it is just for the

[55:08] the locals want to take it that we like to provide a very inexpensive ticket on that Sunday.

[55:14] So the big things I want to point out about that increase from 10,000 to 11,000 is one last

[55:20] August once we moved to a Monday egress. We had no traffic issues at all.

[55:25] No, there's zero thus happening. The other piece here is we'll have one more learning as they call.

[55:31] Right, so we'll have this August event and this will be in September. So another chance to run the

[55:36] run the traffic, assess what's going on and learn again from it and improve if we need to.

[55:44] One piece there also from from from the August of September is that the C dot

[55:51] statistics show that it's about 8 to 12% reduction in traffic from the middle of August to that third

[55:56] week in September. So again, last traffic on the road to begin with and then and then this and then

[56:02] learning we have and I think the big issue which the big piece is I think is very important

[56:07] to point out here is that we've arranged a meeting in April. That's with Chief Morgan,

[56:12] Sheriff Andy, CST and C dot all of us together in person here in DV to review and improve our

[56:21] traffic planning and our traffic program and get us all on the same page. It's the first time

[56:26] that that's really happened and maybe in a long time first time for me this happened so we'll

[56:31] of all the major agencies here who are on the road.

[56:34] And I think that will be the most significant improvements

[56:36] we can make to it more importantly

[56:38] that we're all being communication will all be face-to-face

[56:41] will know each other and can respond that way.

[56:43] So I think that's a huge improvement

[56:45] for the traffic situation, even though we haven't.

[56:48] We didn't have a traffic last August,

[56:49] but again, I think this will be the kind of final final touch

[56:52] on a really good plan.

[56:55] I think last, but maybe not least,

[56:57] is the real reason we're requesting

[56:59] this capacity increases we needed to make our business viable. We're trying to bring a major

[57:05] world-class axe and last summer was not terribly viable as a business and so this is something to

[57:12] to allow us to get to that place in this long-term plan for us to make this business viable.

[57:18] I appreciate your consideration that. One quick question. We'll be using Mount Valley Transit again

[57:26] for shuttle. Yep, and we have a kernel I believe it's four shuttle buses. Yes, we have four

[57:34] four fossil buses running. The other thing we've talked with Keith Morgan and he about is

[57:40] we're going to establish walking routes and biking routes from this from the site to town

[57:44] that will be mapped out for the patrons and then the town is excited but they're going to put up

[57:49] bike racks at a specific location on that map so that really encourage the walking biking

[57:54] and these shuttle things and have it very defined routes that makes it easy for us to patrol

[57:59] and make that safe as opposed to kind of like just go to town, right? And so this is in coordination

[58:05] with the town of BVU to make sure these routes are done properly in a very effective

[58:14] question for the

[58:27] Thank you.

[58:28] All right.

[58:30] So before I go into the open public comment, I would love to hear from referral agencies.

[58:38] So let's see.

[58:39] I saw Andy on my earlier.

[58:45] I can measure as I can go first if you'd like.

[58:48] It'll be great, Andy. Thank you.

[58:52] Sure, just, you know, because I value your time, I'll just renew some of the things that I spoke to you about before in the last two meetings.

[59:01] Some of the concerns I have as the sheriff.

[59:06] Mostly, it relates to my staff, but there are some concerns regarding some of the community members that have voice on this pleasure.

[59:15] I'm just going to renew those in an interest of time.

[59:19] I will say for the record to be unfair me to say that

[59:23] Sample's team has not worked well with us in the past.

[59:28] They have, I think they really got their act together.

[59:32] They're security measures.

[59:34] We've had discussions about that.

[59:36] That'll fist us if we do move forward with this.

[59:43] They've agreed to have their security teams respond to EMS calls in the venue, which was something that we did in the past.

[59:53] We've had a few EMTs that were assaulted in the past.

[59:57] And that's not all on Sample's team. That was at other meetings.

[1:00:00] So, that will alleviate some of that responsibility we have with them doing that. They've also agreed to have a security team that is allowed to go hands on, meaning that they could detain somebody for us, if that need arose, which also would alleviate us having to have as much staffing.

[1:00:23] So again, I would just renew some of the comments I had before and but I won't that won't be at a impact to samples team. I can't speak negatively about anything that they do as far as their security, etc. But I feel I want to my staff to still argue against that. Thank you all. Do you have any questions with me?

[1:00:49] Yeah, first thing. No, I take that. Yeah, that's how Paul nets out when I was

[1:00:58] expecting to go inside. Thank you. And I'm sorry if I missed this and I didn't

[1:01:05] step off for a second, but you said, you said it's fine with the reporting

[1:01:10] responsibilities both during and after this event, terms of reports and write-ups and

[1:01:18] body cameras, etc.

[1:01:22] No, I mean, I'll continue that, you know, from the first time. I mean,

[1:01:26] that's, it's a challenge for us, and it's challenging just, you know, with the, even though it's

[1:01:35] been separated a little bit more, which we appreciate, it's still challenging from concert to concert,

[1:01:41] being, you know, a month apart from each other. So there will be a lot of work our people are

[1:01:45] going to have to put on. But I can't sit here in front of you and say we can't do it. We definitely

[1:01:52] can. We've done it before. It's just not of course the line of work we want to get into, but

[1:01:59] we're very capable. I also, at the cost of some of our training budget, we are sending some staff out

[1:02:10] some really high quality training on putting these festivals and things like that as far as security measures

[1:02:18] and things like that for law enforcement. So we are putting out staff to oversee some of these things

[1:02:25] a little better. Thank you. Please continue to keep us at the prize that August goes and then again,

[1:02:33] because if everyone happens, then that won't also.

[1:02:37] Thank you.

[1:02:39] Are there, and again, I'm curious if there are,

[1:02:43] is there anything that the applicant could do

[1:02:50] to help mitigate some of that reporting burden?

[1:02:58] I think they have, in a sense,

[1:03:01] if we have less people on site,

[1:03:03] there's not as many reports that need done.

[1:03:05] So, you know, they're beefing up their security measures, allowing us to not have to have as many officers.

[1:03:13] I'll tell you a lot of our calls had to do with the EMS calls for service.

[1:03:19] So, they're going to have their own security that's going to respond to make sure EMS,

[1:03:25] which is a good thing for EMS, make sure they're safe when they're responding to these medical inside the venue.

[1:03:31] They're going to have their own security doing that.

[1:03:33] So any time we had to do that before,

[1:03:35] we had to have the body cams on,

[1:03:37] we had to report all that.

[1:03:39] So that's gonna alleviate that part for us.

[1:03:45] Thank you, Andy.

[1:03:49] See, I don't see Josh already.

[1:03:53] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gonna say,

[1:03:56] Andy, I see you're on.

[1:03:57] I don't see, sure, if more getting,

[1:04:01] but there's anything you'd like to add.

[1:04:05] Sure, I would add, yeah, just because I'm not seeing

[1:04:09] Sheriff Morgan on this morning just the BVPDs concerns about staffing the community

[1:04:20] dinner. So the community dinner is the Monday before this year it's gonna be

[1:04:25] on September 14th. I believe and Sergeant Garcia and Chief Morgan have

[1:04:32] concerns adequately and safely staffing that dinner. We have 2800 people on

[1:04:38] street and they historically have relied on Katie County Sheriff's Department to help.

[1:04:47] And so I just want to I guess kind of share their concerns that that's a very big event

[1:04:59] in town. It has a lot of community members. It's a high risk event and just that they want

[1:05:08] could be safe and secure and they are nervous about what over time hours for the sheriff's

[1:05:18] department would look like and so just want to address that and then of course we're looking

[1:05:23] forward to the traffic plan meeting in April we would really like to see maps of the traffic plan

[1:05:32] instead of just a written narrative.

[1:05:35] So, diagrammatic to help our staff

[1:05:39] and just have more accountability.

[1:05:41] So, those are kind of the two things

[1:05:42] that the town would like to see with this new proposed concert.

[1:05:48] Thanks.

[1:05:50] Thank you, Annie.

[1:05:51] We have questions for Annie.

[1:05:58] Okay, I don't see Josh Warren yet.

[1:06:03] Until then, I think did you have your hand up first?

[1:06:06] since we're still, yeah, because we're still in that cycle,

[1:06:09] if you have a response.

[1:06:13] To put responses to some of that.

[1:06:15] One, yes, the traffic meetings is intended to have full

[1:06:19] diagrammatic maps as an output.

[1:06:20] One for the roadway, one for this walking path one for the bike.

[1:06:24] So they have three different maps that are to come out of that,

[1:06:27] and that would be the solve that issue.

[1:06:31] That thing I wanted to point out which I forgot is one of the things

[1:06:34] we're trying to do is improve the relationship between the audience

[1:06:36] and the sheriff's department.

[1:06:39] We know that there are rock and roll crowds can be a little,

[1:06:42] you know, not the love of the police all the time, right?

[1:06:45] So one of the things we're trying to do is improve that.

[1:06:47] And so we are adopting a couple of measures,

[1:06:49] which we've talked with Sheriff Andy about,

[1:06:51] which he thought were a good idea.

[1:06:52] One of them is we're going to make the audience,

[1:06:55] of these audiences love these kind of commemorative tins.

[1:06:57] It's a kind of a special collector's item for them.

[1:06:59] We're making ones that's only for the sheriff's department,

[1:07:02] that they'll be the only ones who have possession of.

[1:07:04] They'll be the ones that pass it out to the audience members,

[1:07:06] only through nice engagements with the sheriff's team. So it's a way to kind of bring the sheriff

[1:07:11] and the audience together and the special kind of way to do that and we're also working with

[1:07:17] our both our artists to do the same kind of things to say what a big say something from the stage or

[1:07:22] anything of that nature that we're actually trying to actually make that environment better for the

[1:07:28] and these guys that don't necessarily love to be there, but it actually make it a kind of place

[1:07:32] to be, so the constant things that we're trying to do as well.

[1:07:36] I think that's it.

[1:07:38] All right, okay.

[1:07:42] Well, until Josh gets here, I think what we'll do is we'll open up a book common, and then when Josh

[1:07:48] hops on, we'll have him fall into the fold.

[1:07:52] Um, with that, there was not their sign-ups on the sheet at the beginning, but it's

[1:07:58] or any public comment, just come on up, just for your name, and you're addressed, and

[1:08:05] you've got three minutes, and we'll just go from there.

[1:08:08] Okay.

[1:08:09] My name's Josh Chance, address 29145, kind of read 331, one of us to Colorado.

[1:08:18] So yeah, I'm a neighbor I live right behind the meadows, and my family also operates a farm

[1:08:27] connected to the meadows, head water farms,

[1:08:32] and we also work really closely with

[1:08:35] airpoint cattle, who raises their kind of long meadows during certain times of the year.

[1:08:42] But I just wanted to give everyone a little bit of context on land management side of

[1:08:48] the meadows, as I've taken on a role as the land manager out there, and seems like a lot of the

[1:08:55] conversation is around safety.

[1:08:57] And what not, so, just a couple of things we're doing on our end to, I guess, encourage the safety

[1:09:06] side of things is, we're continuing to do tree trimming in the area.

[1:09:11] So a lot of cotton woods and what not, so we're making sure that all the dead branches are

[1:09:18] trimmed up and, you know, there's not any little makers in the area. And we're also really

[1:09:26] working hard to improve the fencing in the area, as well as Sambo said, some of those

[1:09:34] trails and traffic areas, roads and whatnot to make sure that people have safe places to travel

[1:09:41] and that, you know, everyone's not coming in from every which direction but um yeah that's kind of

[1:09:49] those those those are some of our big focus and I also just wanted to point out the importance of

[1:09:54] these festivals from um our end and the the lands and uh because they are really beneficial and

[1:10:05] improvement of the land. I think, you know, it's easy to like maintain that land. And a lot

[1:10:13] of people utilize it. It's almost kind of like a green space in the area in the open park. But

[1:10:18] these concerts really enable us to continue to try to focus on improving that land. And I don't

[1:10:27] know if y'all know or not, but there's a portion of the funds that are received from the festivals that

[1:10:34] directly towards the land management, not only in improving that landscape, but also like providing

[1:10:42] jobs for myself, probably a group of six to seven other individuals, some of which are farm workers

[1:10:51] on our farm during the summer season and it enables them to have some offseason employment.

[1:10:59] So I'm always really thankful for the meadows and the festivals from that and it kind of keeps

[1:11:04] the farm of float and keeps my family going, but yeah, we're working to continue to improve that landscape and keep it safe and accessible for everyone.

[1:11:18] Thank you, Josh.

[1:11:20] Other comments in the room?

[1:11:25] All right.

[1:11:26] I see Josh's online.

[1:11:28] So Josh will have you had your input and your thoughts from the U.S. side.

[1:11:36] Can you guys hear me okay?

[1:11:40] Yes.

[1:11:41] Yeah.

[1:11:42] Yeah.

[1:11:43] Sorry for the double booking this morning.

[1:11:45] I was able to meet with Sam Bliner.

[1:11:49] It's been probably four or five weeks ago now.

[1:11:51] Just to discuss ideas on providing medical services at that event.

[1:11:57] We've identified within our department that it's not going to be something that we can

[1:12:02] Support to the extent of providing all the staff for the entire medical kind of footprint, if you will, that's needed to support these type of events.

[1:12:13] You know, we will look to put an ambulance there to manage any transports from the venue to the hospital.

[1:12:22] But Michael and I have talked about kind of doing an interview process for a couple different medical vendors that would maybe fit the bill when it comes to being able to support an event like this.

[1:12:35] And I did receive kind of a preliminary idea on staffing that Michael had shared with me last week, which I have.

[1:12:47] sit down and iron out what that really looks like for staffing, you know, there are initial,

[1:12:53] there are initial proposed like I don't feel as if it meets the staffing need at all and would be

[1:12:58] really owners on a number of other entities within their specifically potentially law enforcement,

[1:13:05] which I have concerns with. So anyhow, we're going to, that's the plan that we will come up with

[1:13:12] with the model, I will be the one signing off on it,

[1:13:15] still as the director of art department

[1:13:19] overseeing the medical services for that venue.

[1:13:23] There will still be a presence during that,

[1:13:27] just to make sure there is some collaboration

[1:13:30] and congruency when it comes to how our crews interact

[1:13:34] with the medical staff that's provided.

[1:13:38] So yeah, that's kind of the plan

[1:13:39] that we have as of right now.

[1:13:40] And again, the initial proposal that one of the vendors had shared with Michael that he passed on to me.

[1:13:47] It doesn't fit the numbers, or I'm misunderstanding it. So we'll have to iron that all out if this is approved.

[1:13:57] That's a very small conversation to go in there.

[1:14:01] Want any questions for Josh?

[1:14:09] Yes.

[1:14:14] That Josh and I have talked about the stackings needed.

[1:14:17] We got our first poll zone from the group called Stadium,

[1:14:20] that actually Josh recommended that we address,

[1:14:23] they came in, I agree, to Josh,

[1:14:24] they came in to light on staffing.

[1:14:26] We got our separate poll zone today,

[1:14:29] we're going to call Paradox here,

[1:14:30] but third proposal coming in as well,

[1:14:32] those are beefier, I would say.

[1:14:34] And those are going to go to Josh's,

[1:14:35] well, Josh will ultimately decide her on.

[1:14:38] We have that we know we have to not work bodies across these,

[1:14:40] these things that Josh will be the ultimate decide her.

[1:14:42] But it's the proper staffing and then we will go there.

[1:14:46] So we're making sure Josh is the ultimate arbiter that he signs off on the plan and that he signs off actually on the vendors.

[1:14:52] So any vendor that we like, Josh will be interviewing that talk is that I'm making sure he's happy with that.

[1:14:58] So I'm not worried about us having.

[1:15:00] Good. Right number of people and I think that that first band that came through to save you in this light. So if we we even have a new piece of plan or to go with the different vendors. So but I'll be at Josh's discretion as to the number of people we have on site.

[1:15:14] Thank you.

[1:15:17] All right.

[1:15:24] So let's

[1:15:27] see, Josh, our hands up, okay, so can you on Josh?

[1:15:36] Yeah, I just wanted to make mention of, you know, the goal again for us in, in the way we're going to approach this is to do our best again to make sure that.

[1:15:46] The county resources aren't impacted by this event from the perspective of impacting medical services.

[1:15:55] We're providing to our community, and then also providing as much safety as we can to the other responders within the venue.

[1:16:03] I alluded at a moment ago, but I don't and he's going to have some of his crews in there, and if we were to go with the proposal that was initially outlined.

[1:16:11] They would, they would not be in a good way.

[1:16:14] They would be overwhelmed, I feel really quickly.

[1:16:17] So just know that that's my goal in doing kind of what I'm, what I'm involved with here and the oversight and ensuring the plan will fit the need of the event is to

[1:16:27] provide the service to the, to the participants, but then also to make sure that it has less, the minimal impact to us as a community from providing medical services,

[1:16:39] but then also ensuring that there is support for those that are engaged in this event.

[1:16:45] So I just wanted to make mention of that.

[1:16:48] Appreciate that.

[1:16:52] All right.

[1:16:52] So public comment is still open anybody online.

[1:16:56] If you have a public comment, you'd like to make these raise your hands.

[1:17:01] We can recognize you.

[1:17:10] I'm not seeing anybody.

[1:17:12] So officially closed public comment.

[1:17:14] Um, at this point, there are questions you'd like to ask.

[1:17:20] Yeah, Martin, Martin.

[1:17:23] So Josh, was assuming that they could find the right, uh, contractor to come in with

[1:17:36] the best bodies and the best expertise and you guys aren't required to be there.

[1:17:43] And you think you can do this?

[1:17:47] Yeah.

[1:17:48] Yeah.

[1:17:48] I actually feel confident.

[1:17:51] You know, as I, as Michael just alluded to, there's a particular vendor that we've worked with in the past that is actually based out of here in Colorado.

[1:18:01] And part of their proposal, which was very light on staffing, but they identified that they'll have a physician on site as well.

[1:18:09] So I feel confident in the fact we could get enough people there and the right people there to be able to support this again, it will be an impact to our services that we are providing other than we will be staffing to have an ambulance there.

[1:18:26] That ambulance will be staffed with whereas staff it with three people because the majority of the transports that we've had to do from that event have.

[1:18:34] required some extra hands if you will. So I do. I feel as if once we're able to go through a bedding process of these few different vendors if you will.

[1:18:46] We'll be able to outline what we feel staffing wise needs to look like.

[1:18:50] To where it's manageable within the venue and provides good service to the venue, but then won't impact us from a medical perspective.

[1:19:02] If you do have to do a transport, I assume that place takes an hour, maybe longer, what does

[1:19:13] how does that impact you?

[1:19:17] Yeah, I mean, it's been, it's one of those like really challenging spaces to be in, in that,

[1:19:25] you know, when we looked at the numbers of transfers that we've had over the last several events,

[1:19:32] The opportunity for there to be a second need for a transport there, of course, exists, and then that's that and we would just have to lean on pulling in one of our outside resources, our dedicated community resources to assist with that.

[1:19:48] If we were caught in that position of where that ambulance was too far out of place.

[1:19:53] I do anticipate there being, you know, maybe a little bit less of a need to transport some patients specifically if they do have a physician on site during the entire event.

[1:20:04] So I mean, that's how we would have to manage it.

[1:20:06] I mean, we could propose of staffing to ambulances to be there.

[1:20:11] But again, we run into just the challenge of, you know,

[1:20:16] staff's bandwidth of them already, you know, being dedicated to providing services to our community and then now being put in a position to staff and other ambulance.

[1:20:26] Because again, we're staffing these with three people, so that's going to be, you know, six people 24 hours a day.

[1:20:32] or to staff those of it. So it's definitely something we can consider. If you guys would prefer that we've moved in that direction, I will propose that again to then provide the ensure that we're not taking resources from our community potentially.

[1:20:51] Typically, how many how many transports do you have from these events.

[1:20:57] the last couple of ends we've had upwards of seven. I think they were actually, they both the last two most recent events we had seven transports from both of them.

[1:21:12] So three, eight of it. No, seven of them. Each of them each of them. Yes.

[1:21:27] Okay. Look at that.

[1:21:31] Any other questions for Josh?

[1:21:35] Okay, so public comment is closed, so there's more questions. Otherwise, I'm going to deliberation and after that, you know, take any more comments for many issues.

[1:21:48] So, sir, any other questions we have applicant or anybody else is for me?

[1:21:54] I do.

[1:21:55] Okay.

[1:21:56] Please ask.

[1:21:56] Thank you.

[1:21:59] The water supply section of the application was not completed.

[1:22:03] Is that need to be?

[1:22:05] I don't think if this juncture.

[1:22:07] So the way we typically write these resolutions is that we don't necessarily ask for each one of their detailed plans this far out.

[1:22:15] I think we wait to see if they get approval.

[1:22:17] And then they would get 90 days out from the event

[1:22:21] to get approval of those specific plans

[1:22:23] by those specific agencies.

[1:22:25] So to Josh's point, at least 90 days out,

[1:22:28] they would have to have a emergency medical service plan

[1:22:31] approved by Josh in order to proceed with the event.

[1:22:35] And that would be the same for the water.

[1:22:37] So that would be the timing for the entire completion

[1:22:40] of the application.

[1:22:43] Okay, that was my second question.

[1:22:47] This one thing I would ask to that point.

[1:22:49] I know 90 days out seems to be the number on quite a few things.

[1:22:54] I'm curious if it would be, it could be kids 22 here,

[1:22:57] but is it more beneficial to have that out 120 days,

[1:23:01] both for the applicant and staff and, you know,

[1:23:04] would that help everybody for planning was done real earlier?

[1:23:06] Brandon and things kind of was changed and sometimes hard to have things

[1:23:10] on that far out, but just for future thought, and I've opened that up to the applicant as well to

[1:23:15] respond to. And they made you it that far out. I think 90 days it's just kind of the hard on it,

[1:23:20] but if we want to move that further out, we're certainly able to do

[1:23:26] that. That timing is fine for us.

[1:23:29] I think it's been more stonophilated in other words, is this year for anybody with their

[1:23:38] They have to prove that, but that exciting that deadline doesn't bother us at all.

[1:23:43] Okay. Okay. Good afternoon. Thank you.

[1:23:48] Same lines.

[1:23:51] We'll in how, is it determined that an event outside of this musical event would

[1:24:01] require a pause or shut down of the event? We're obviously looking at the

[1:24:09] forest forest, but that would be them and the example of that. So who and how does that happen?

[1:24:18] I think that would be a condition to be built into the resolution as to, you know, if there's

[1:24:23] an emergency that necessitates canceling an event, that's typically something that I don't

[1:24:28] think we write in as a blanket language, but it could certainly provide.

[1:24:35] And as well, we are

[1:24:37] have served for all those events of the United States.

[1:24:40] We go bankrupt if that happens and typically what we've seen is that if the share

[1:24:45] of EMS fire, any of those three determined that the bet needs to stop that it stops.

[1:24:51] So we really rely on your service to say we're not able to provide for this event.

[1:24:56] We don't think it's safe.

[1:24:56] Whatever their condition is, but if Kira says there's a fire outside the county,

[1:25:02] we need to stop the bet that it stopped and it stopped either fire during whatever

[1:25:06] whatever that time thing is it doesn't matter to us obviously as implications for

[1:25:11] evacuating people potentially that's that's correct so we and we would and that our

[1:25:14] emergency operating plan has the evacuation plan in it but it would be triggered most likely

[1:25:21] by your emergency service saying this is time to stop us event. I look forward to that

[1:25:28] group consensus around that after the evening.

[1:25:34] Any other questions before deliberation?

[1:25:41] I guess we asked within the permit itself, there was a bunch of report act, correct?

[1:25:52] Okay, so that's just part of our list.

[1:25:55] Yeah, absolutely, so they do the 90 day out and then usually there's the annual review as well after that.

[1:26:02] And I think for the August one, we did ask to get a pretty detailed economic impact out of that, and I think if we move forward with this, I want the same thing.

[1:26:16] Time. Connected to that for me is the entity putting on the concert as a nonprofit. Correct.

[1:26:25] So is this a question of, and this may be for example, is this a question of, did we make,

[1:26:32] did we break even, or did we lose money?

[1:26:36] I think it's to understand the benefit to the town of EV, and then the community in the county writ large as to how much, you know,

[1:26:43] excess funds were brought in as a result of this event.

[1:26:47] I am for one of curious about where that ends up,

[1:26:53] negative, great even for positive in some sort of report format.

[1:27:01] What's going to say to that,

[1:27:03] there's the $2 fee I see you add on to,

[1:27:06] I think, community benefit for the tickets.

[1:27:08] Is that for the entire event or is that?

[1:27:11] Yes, it took no $2 for every ticket sold to the public goes to that's a fun for charity and the entire revenue from the Sunday local tickets goes to charity

[1:27:21] So those two piles are added together and that's our we come to our charitable contribution I was reading an article and

[1:27:32] I don't know, some scientific journals about noise canceling techniques, using sound waves to put incoming sound waves out of phase so you can't hear it on that sound wall.

[1:27:52] But he has explored any of us.

[1:27:54] We are, and we actually have his name is Dave Ratt, which is kind of funny last name, Ratt

[1:28:00] sound out of LA, but he's the nation's expert on that.

[1:28:04] He's the one that solves the problem actually in New York.

[1:28:09] They have, I don't know if you've, New York force hills, old state tennis centers, sits

[1:28:13] with apartments literally like we're just to see the tennis from.

[1:28:17] And then best now is a conscious of he's the one that solves it there.

[1:28:20] He's coming out.

[1:28:21] He does this thing, that's the same thing, it's, they call it cardioid sound, so you can kind of play the bass waves against the

[1:28:27] Conversation, and then he also does something called dimpling, which I know, and this is as much as I know, but that he is both putting it in a flat line.

[1:28:37] He alternates the LIMMM, and that's mostly on the other side's easier to cancel than.

[1:28:41] So we're having him do a full sound analysis, so becoming able, like April or May, to walk the site and do that.

[1:28:49] So, yes, we're going to kind of hopefully be at the cutting edge of that.

[1:28:52] Exactly what you're said, this kind of ability to kind of cancel away, so they can escape the grounds

[1:29:01] in the August concert.

[1:29:04] You can't attend thousands of new attend.

[1:29:07] Of a very waiting, I think that potential reaction, you know, both over the years, the number of attendees.

[1:29:13] I believe that three year permit was was, um, you would have the ability to amend that resolution,

[1:29:18] But I don't think there is a staggering or phasing built into it. That would be 10,000 and 10,000, 500, 11,000. I think it just says 10,000 if you wanted to amend that or you wanted to request an amendment that could occur, but it's not phased.

[1:29:32] Thank you.

[1:29:37] Thank you.

[1:29:37] Thank you for delivering.

[1:29:39] All right.

[1:29:40] So, thank you, Nick.

[1:29:41] All right.

[1:29:41] So, no more comments from the publics that the applicants was just us chatting now with information

[1:29:47] we know and we learned in what we've asked.

[1:29:51] I guess I'll share some of my thoughts first.

[1:29:56] One thing I can say is I definitely appreciate the.

[1:30:00] Continued conversation that's been going on with the applicant and our services, and even with the community stuff. So I really appreciate that, you know, tying you with the race and the chairs and tables for the community dinner. I think that's a great extension of more community benefit. So I want to recognize that and it's also the fact of working with EMS and the sheriff's department. I also do want to recognize the fact that I think there will always be

[1:30:29] always be hard with stuff, right? We're a small community, we only have what we have. But I appreciate Josh's statement about

[1:30:37] county resources cannot be impacted by the event. There's too many other people here that

[1:30:43] paint tax are to be able to have those, right? So it's really important that we don't impact that.

[1:30:51] But to the point it does sound as though you have a plan in place with EMS to have a better staffing for

[1:30:58] or ambulances. I'm almost wondering, due to the fact, it could be a rough wildfire year,

[1:31:08] hopefully nothing happens year, but maybe having an additional ambulance on site would be beneficial.

[1:31:14] If something were to happen here and the rest of our services had to be elsewhere, just something to ponder.

[1:31:22] I want to be safe and sorry if you will.

[1:31:28] You know, but that's up for conversation and I'd actually rely on Josh's input there.

[1:31:35] But seem to share if it sounds as though I know in the past one of the things they had mentioned was

[1:31:45] the fact that they

[1:31:47] people that were brought in weren't able to, I think in terms he had used with hands on, we didn't have the ability to have hands on.

[1:31:54] And if there's no hands on, then it does present more work and people work and all the things for our local sheriff's department.

[1:32:03] So I think having the ability to have folks that are there a security that can be hands on that sounds like definitely a big step in the right direction to go.

[1:32:13] I'm glad to see that.

[1:32:15] I think having those additional teams in place to alleviate the pressure is definitely a positive.

[1:32:32] So I really appreciate seeing so much more moving forward and how can we be more collaborative with this process.

[1:32:41] And the last point I'll make and let me get off my soapbox and my colleagues jump in is, um, you know, and as the BV person, right, so I'm up here.

[1:32:53] I know BV is a referral agency, and but I the way I look at the things they have to share is more than that.

[1:33:03] They're the major stakeholder because they are, they are our next coordinators and we're even as held is right

[1:33:10] outside the town limits, right? It's not exactly like, you know, out in the middle of

[1:33:15] a running footprint. So it means a lot to me personally and obviously in this role that

[1:33:21] we are close collaborative collaborators with them. I think the understanding of was that the

[1:33:30] meaning you're going to have an equal. It's a big positive. I think that's something I would

[1:33:36] to see for all of our big events, it's getting together early on, so everybody's not

[1:33:40] saying room, you're all talking about the same thing, so everybody can be on the same page.

[1:33:46] Again, I think you can nail out a lot of different things for their in-person having this

[1:33:51] maps that's a must but sounds like that's coming, but really tying in BVs requests for the

[1:33:57] traffic plans and sharing, you know, obviously the share from the rest of the emergency management

[1:34:01] teams are on board with that. I want to make that. However, we can, that's a mandatory inclusion of

[1:34:10] BV, at least chief and town. There's sign-off on that. So it just impacts them more than

[1:34:20] impacts anybody else. And I think that's something that rather being a referral and that's a

[1:34:31] I think it's kind of a smattering of all the things that Wally heard and kind of get that out like you all think, but to share with the public remind me where my mind is, um, with some of the work that's been done since the last meeting.

[1:34:46] Anyhow. Thanks for tuning in to the Kina. So box.

[1:34:54] What do you guys think?

[1:34:55] I like also the communication and openness to consider all ideas and the situation in an effort

[1:35:07] to try and create a safe and responsible event as possible without putting other parts

[1:35:13] of the county at risk. I also want to mention that in also plot the tables and continue to

[1:35:21] openness to looking at the ways to do things between now and September that might just continue

[1:35:26] to add to the overall benefit to the community, particularly

[1:35:30] BV of this event.

[1:35:34] But I also just want to recognize publicly

[1:35:37] that it does help tourism.

[1:35:39] It does help restaurant sales and trails and hiking

[1:35:45] and camping and other retail vendors

[1:35:48] that bring these people in the top.

[1:35:50] So to the extent that we can continue to do that safely

[1:35:53] and responsibly without putting ourselves

[1:35:55] at risk on the downside, because everybody looks good if it goes off smoothly, everybody has

[1:36:01] fun.

[1:36:02] God forbid nobody dies or, you know, worse and, you know, everybody's happy and wow,

[1:36:08] let's do this again next year.

[1:36:10] But the first time something goes south and it wasn't thought of, you know, our butts are

[1:36:17] in a ringer.

[1:36:18] And I'm going to say our all of us, so I appreciate the diligence that both the commissioners as well as the DPN our group and as well as sample and your team and the BBD and EMS and the sheriff's department of all putting in to try to make this happen in a way it's good for the community would get the good out of it the fun of it.

[1:36:48] and that put ourselves at risk and so that work needs to continue.

[1:36:54] There's some events and things scheduled for that and I think we're doing a good job of

[1:36:58] due diligence around this all the way around it, particularly the sheriff and EMS and the local police departments

[1:37:04] and those folks are trying to bend over backwards without going over the edge with their staff's

[1:37:10] and team and their understanding of the risks that are present.

[1:37:23] I appreciate the work that's been going on to hopefully make this one really smoothly.

[1:37:31] I think the ultimate expectation for me would be that these events require no extra work

[1:37:40] from our share of our EMS folks.

[1:37:46] Ultimately, a sound solution is found to contain the sound,

[1:37:51] but in the venue, and I was really impressed

[1:37:55] with some of the work that's going on in that space, right?

[1:37:58] Now, it's really kind of space age,

[1:38:00] green wild technology that's happening.

[1:38:03] It doesn't sound like it's completely out of a universe

[1:38:08] expensive to do either. Pretty interesting stuff. So I appreciate that you're looking to back.

[1:38:17] You know, I think the the traffic plan is probably still the big kind of question mark

[1:38:27] and having that concentration of people in one spot.

[1:38:35] It's going to have an impact on the neighbors, no matter what you do.

[1:38:42] So finding ways to mitigate that is critical.

[1:38:50] I do think that

[1:38:54] having a few events out there a year

[1:38:57] It may change that as open space and working ad-layout is important, it's important to valley, it's important to the neighborhood, it's important to kind of

[1:39:15] our history.

[1:39:20] And again, I've thought a lot about kind of this number of people thing.

[1:39:28] We're really kind of pushing them like that's here.

[1:39:32] It just, you know,

[1:39:36] in my discussions with kind of neighbors and stuff,

[1:39:40] they're like, you know, 5, 7,000, and it's not so bad.

[1:39:44] sort of get up to that 11. Well, I wasn't a lot of people.

[1:39:54] I

[1:39:59] probably, and I understand the number of things to make the event viable, but there's

[1:40:25] some

[1:40:25] I hope we folks from the town that are going to have easier access to get out there

[1:40:31] of the folks that are coming out of state.

[1:40:37] We're also, I think, seeing pretty flat tourism, pretty flat sales tax.

[1:40:47] We have to think about that and consider it.

[1:40:52] And a lot of factors that go into that,

[1:40:55] but I think building a vibrant local music scene

[1:41:01] is something that people are looking for when they come to town.

[1:41:06] They choose where to vacation.

[1:41:10] And so while this is only quite part of this,

[1:41:13] it does help drive that wider music library

[1:41:17] in the county that does help with our main industry, which is, first,

[1:41:26] so with that said, I would make a motion to approve the application with a couple of modifications to the 14 findings that are included in their number three and

[1:41:47] Fair enough, as Road Bridge, Public Health Department at Town of BV, Emergency Medical Services,

[1:41:56] and Chief E. County Fire Protection District have all reviewed the application and accepted.

[1:42:08] And then I would add another request note. This is a finding or a request that can be built into

[1:42:17] the resolution, but I would like to see a report out on those

[1:42:21] neighborhood things and what is being said.

[1:42:27] And direct staff to better resolution,

[1:42:30] thank you.

[1:42:33] No, you asked for one amendment to that, which would

[1:42:39] be through the town of BB.

[1:42:42] It's a signature.

[1:42:44] Well, for the traffic plan.

[1:42:45] you don't know if they're in there. I didn't see it. Just for specifically the traffic plan that they are in a

[1:42:53] I mean, the question

[1:43:01] and then also the motion and happy to attend these at 10,000 for this first year for both of us, see how all of these plants play out with all these different agencies and then both from there,

[1:43:26] that's making it.

[1:43:30] I'm not further discussion yet, but I'd be willing to give them 11,000 if they're bringing an additional support for agencies, to bring in additional long-forcement folks to offset our community impact in terms of our shares department and they're bringing in more folks for EMS, personally, I'd be okay.

[1:43:56] But you made the motion. So it's.

[1:44:01] You

[1:44:08] second it without that amendment.

[1:44:15] As if not, I will make the second.

[1:44:17] Well, I'm concerned about that as long as it's going to be covered in this item three.

[1:44:24] We ruined that review the executive.

[1:44:31] Okay, all second.

[1:44:33] The first and the second with the amended motion, which.

[1:44:39] You got it? Okay. Okay, for a second. All in favor.

[1:44:47] Hi.

[1:44:51] Thank you.

[1:44:56] Anybody need to stretch the legs for hot seconds?

[1:44:58] Okay.

[1:45:00] Three meetings later. All right. Okay.

[1:45:10] All right. Let me one second folks, guys. Back together here.

[1:45:19] I'll wait for a second for people to throw. Hang on there on my folks, which letting folks there all the room.

[1:45:33] All right.

[1:45:33] So up next, we have discussed and consider proposed voluntary flow management program agreement

[1:45:41] just 26 through a 2031 and kind of take lead on this as I've been tuning in and working

[1:45:53] with this group.

[1:45:54] So just it's funny, just a little bit of history.

[1:45:59] The voluntary flow management program is probably one of the most important agreements

[1:46:03] We haven't this county, but it's probably the least known about, it's just interesting.

[1:46:09] Now, people on the water space, I think, are very aware of it, but for the rest of our community, I don't think

[1:46:16] tune into it and it's, you know, as a camp layman right, you know, why would they? But so it did just want to share a brief

[1:46:23] little bit of history, little bit of information for those listening and I think it's important to really kind of recognize what this program does.

[1:46:32] It's originally established in 1999, it's a little while ago, but it's changed along the way.

[1:46:40] Meant purpose for the voluntary flow management program was to really help with the fisheries and ensuring that we could maybe get to a

[1:46:48] gold medal trail fisheries status, which we have, which is great, but also to recognize the boating industry.

[1:46:55] And this area that we're talking about is about 102 miles stretch along the Arkansas river.

[1:47:02] And so there's five partners to the agreement that I should know them off my head.

[1:47:11] I always get the state well, because the various letters that go to that you know,

[1:47:22] word all the acronyms, but so it's comprised of obviously

[1:47:27] JP County, Colorado Parks and Wildlife, South Eastern

[1:47:30] Colorado Water Conservation District, and then the Arkansas River

[1:47:35] Outfitters Association, which is always the one that I screw up and then

[1:47:40] a trout unlimited. And so these, this agreement is five-year

[1:47:46] agreement. We do review it every year, as a check-in, and there are

[1:47:50] meeting is usually before this one from 8.30 to 9.

[1:47:56] The main effort and point of this, right, is to ensure that there's healthy flow of water

[1:48:03] coming down the Arkansas, but that varies in times, I'm sorry, varies in amounts throughout the year.

[1:48:11] And so, a big focus of this is from July 1 through August 15, the program states that we want to aim for

[1:48:18] 700 CFS along the river, right, and then from the rest of the year, they really try to focus on

[1:48:27] 250 to 500 CFS that goes to the winter and then back into the earlier portion of the year.

[1:48:32] And that changes depending on the flow and a lot of other variations, but it's really to help

[1:48:37] healthy fish, healthy fish, hatching season, just to really, yes, well, I'd support in that

[1:48:47] way.

[1:48:48] And so the five partners that work together on this, the reason I'm sorry, the agreement we have

[1:48:54] for this year isn't changing from the last five years.

[1:48:57] Everybody is on the same page that we like what has been in place.

[1:49:02] There's two other mean components to it.

[1:49:04] The office of reclamation really does move the water, and then south eastern plays a pretty big part as well as Pueblo water.

[1:49:12] It's most of the water that goes through the Arkansas river is actually not ours, it's public.

[1:49:17] So they have the opportunity to move this water for various reasons and various needs.

[1:49:22] A lot of this water also comes from Project Water, which is called Freyark, that a lot of that comes from the Colorado River.

[1:49:30] Earlier today, I had my meeting with the voluntary flow management folks, like looking for my notes on the back of my papers, and office of reclamation did mention that this is going to be one of those wait and seeers, the voluntary flow management program.

[1:49:48] Usually we're able to get about 10,000 additional if you're feet of water to come through to help hit that 700 CFS that we look for during this mean at the meantime frame.

[1:50:04] It's great, but that comes after a friark water, all the project water comes through and also all these other prior agreements and water rights water needs are taken care of.

[1:50:16] So depending on what happens with the rest of the state in terms of water accumulation run off,

[1:50:23] really does still impact what we hope here. Last year, at the end of 2025, I'm sorry,

[1:50:29] at the end of the season for 2025, CBW did send in a letter to the Reclamation Office,

[1:50:37] asking for additional shares of water because the 10,000 was not enough. I think they

[1:50:46] I think the other entities that help might have been a war on Colorado Springs. So all this to

[1:50:52] say that there's a lot of working parts, but why it's so important to continue with this agreement

[1:50:58] and what it means for our community is a healthy fishery, right? So that helps people that are

[1:51:03] recreating it, helps our guides, and then also the same with the boating industry. It's very important

[1:51:08] that, you know, otherwise we don't have a healthy flow that hurts our, our, our wrath industry and everything

[1:51:15] like that. So it's a, it's a big tie to not only just the environment, but the economy here.

[1:51:20] So just kind of wanted to share a little bit about the program, the importance.

[1:51:26] Well, it's important we continue it and just working collaboratively with all this partners because there are a lot of moving parts.

[1:51:34] It's, it's just important that more mindful of it and also with the understanding that depending on what type of precipitation we have,

[1:51:42] really does impact the water in more ways than one, and that there is only so much control. We do

[1:51:48] have because there are other partners with other water rights to that same area.

[1:51:54] Yeah, that was kind of a lot, but you know for those that have never heard about it, it's just

[1:51:59] kind of want to dig into it a little more than just and hates a great ingredient with scint.

[1:52:04] I don't know if PT a pretty familiar with it, I think it's what else, there's anything you want to add.

[1:52:08] Dave, if you have any questions or any thoughts?

[1:52:12] I was lucky enough to be on the CTF for the fast force at BADHRA in the late 90s

[1:52:20] from the original pre-buff-lust being built.

[1:52:22] It's cool that we were the advisor to the CPW for how that got built.

[1:52:27] It's been a, you know, wildly successful program from a bunch of water user groups

[1:52:37] should never work together. It's all, almost all of them. They're interested in direct

[1:52:46] content for each other. So, it's been great. I would like to continue it.

[1:52:55] I'm new to this, but I conclude with Gina and BT's called Sling. It's a great program.

[1:53:02] They can show us that naturally conflicting entities can work together when they choose to.

[1:53:09] And for the benefit of the public and the economy.

[1:53:11] It's like something like $50 million comes into the economy here.

[1:53:15] It's a result of this effort.

[1:53:17] And so.

[1:53:19] Well, whether continue to support this.

[1:53:23] Probably wishful.

[1:53:24] Thank you for the summer.

[1:53:25] Yeah,

[1:53:28] that's a thing, you know, they did say today on the call, you know,

[1:53:33] like, recommendations that it's a wait and see.

[1:53:34] And so depending on where the, you know, that's kind of the top.

[1:53:39] And what they have will will kind of dictate what we'll flow through.

[1:53:43] We'll make one other, you know, actually I forgot some mention.

[1:53:47] Webflow was also one of the call this morning, and they will be moving forward with

[1:53:52] Well, I assume it's the dam, they say clear clear creek construction, so that will be updating the dam.

[1:54:00] And they need to lower the amount of water in the reservoir by July 1st.

[1:54:06] It will keep close with us and let us know what their plan is.

[1:54:10] They did mention the opportunity to exchange water with twin turquoise lakes.

[1:54:15] But then there was also a question brought up.

[1:54:17] that's fine, you know, the paper coloring, back in fourth, but what about water down the river,

[1:54:23] and there's still that we see dependable kind of moisture comes and more things will be at,

[1:54:29] but I did make the request that they see close with us, so we know, because we made the mention that we

[1:54:34] do also have our RIC, so we'll talk about your next, and we'll that have any, you know, conflict

[1:54:41] of the water we have for paddle fest and so far on things like that. So we're all focused on it,

[1:54:46] We all are where it's going to be an interesting year, but it's just an important program, and, again,

[1:54:53] collaborative is the positive. So, anyhow, all right for the extra feedback.

[1:54:57] The work I'm clearly speaking is to prepare some of the catch there, so that the dam continues to hold it.

[1:55:09] And I think originally, they talked about expanding that down, because they were now a three-term

[1:55:19] assistant standard right now. They kind of blocked that back a little bit, which is probably

[1:55:25] good.

[1:55:28] It's a one thing that's come out as voluntary flow management of ground is a lot more

[1:55:34] communication between all these entities.

[1:55:37] And if there is an opportunity for they,

[1:55:39] someone needs to move water,

[1:55:41] don't check in and see if there is an additional

[1:55:44] official piece to the river in that little place.

[1:55:47] They can't divide, but it is, it's a, it's a new thing.

[1:55:54] And I would make the motion.

[1:55:58] Uh,

[1:56:00] probably volunteer flow management program agreement, 2026 to 2031 second.

[1:56:08] All right, first and second, all in favor.

[1:56:11] All right.

[1:56:12] Thank you very much.

[1:56:14] All right.

[1:56:14] Up next, we have doesn't need the eight days in June under the County Recreational

[1:56:20] recreational in-channel diversion, the RICD, when water rates for the RICD shall be

[1:56:26] 1800 CFS and discuss and finalize the 30-day flow recommendations for the RICD files.

[1:56:34] Well, there is enough Steven Tyler back in the side of the agenda.

[1:56:39] What we have today is...

[1:56:42] We've got a lot more to go on.

[1:56:43] Don't worry, Phil.

[1:56:45] two letters that we will send to the division engineer under the recreational and channel

[1:56:52] diversion. Now this is the program every year that we designate two periods. One is a 30-day

[1:56:58] period between or at any time from the Friday before the last Monday in May to June 30th.

[1:57:08] where flows will be limited to 1,400 CFS, and then there's an 8 day period in June, where

[1:57:14] flows would be at 1,800 CFS. Now, for all the reasons that Commissioner Lucretzi mentioned

[1:57:20] earlier this still morning, it's going to be an interesting water in here. But every year, we send

[1:57:26] by April 1st, a letter to the State of New Year's Office to set those. This year, what we have

[1:57:33] try to do with proposed two different dates, the 30 day period we are proposing May 22nd which is indeed

[1:57:40] the Friday before the last Monday and May through June 20th. That gives you that that covers the

[1:57:47] front end of CKS paddle fest in B.V. Through June 20th which is technically speaking I think the

[1:57:56] Saturday during Fibarke this year but we've also looked at that a day period of June to cover the

[1:58:01] day before to the Tuesday after Fibarq. And so those dates would be June 16th to June 23rd.

[1:58:11] So ostensibly we'd have coverage for that period based on the recreational and channel

[1:58:15] version. So we're asking the commissioners to approve those two day periods. I think that's

[1:58:21] pretty historically in line with what we have done some days. We just take all of June

[1:58:26] but I think we to the extent possible with light to cover panel fest in May and we can do that

[1:58:31] based on the counter dates this year.

[1:58:36] Where should stop?

[1:58:38] The last similar water, and there we had.

[1:58:40] That's what 2002 and the repeated 600 CFS and May.

[1:58:45] So this is a very full, full, yeah, so soft.

[1:58:49] Yeah, but we have to do.

[1:58:52] Yeah, so we shall think in for the 1800s.

[1:58:56] You know, hey, you know, no, no, no.

[1:58:57] We can pull a 95 and it could start snowing here any day.

[1:59:01] Stop and tell.

[1:59:02] You know, June 10, and then we'll go ski off the top of Princeton all the way down to the Colorado trail.

[1:59:08] And we sure car wasn't way above us.

[1:59:11] I like your mind.

[1:59:16] That's what we did in 2004.

[1:59:20] It was an epic day.

[1:59:24] Well, you wait.

[1:59:26] Would you like a motion?

[1:59:27] I would.

[1:59:27] Well, I would move that we generate the letter to design 88 days of June under the

[1:59:34] county recreational and general development program and water rights for the RECD should

[1:59:40] be 1800 CFS and also finalize and also designate the 30 day period and formal recommendations

[1:59:47] under the RECD also.

[1:59:49] So I think it's 1200 and the 1800 respectively between the 8 day and 30 day.

[1:59:56] Great, it's 1,400, but then in low-call years it can be 1200 and then.

[2:00:04] First and second, all in favor. All right. Okay. Great. Don't go anywhere. All right. Discuss, future,

[2:00:15] ink governance for G.V. Heritage Area Advisory Board. All right. Well, to quote, Detroit's Marshall

[2:00:21] masters. Yes, who's back. Hey, it's me. Heritary advisory board has existed for a little

[2:00:27] over 20 years. And was originally set up to help promote the economic cultural environmental

[2:00:33] and aesthetic standing heritage of Chaky County. This is a board that has been operating for a

[2:00:39] long time working and advising on sort of legacy projects. You know, you can see some of the

[2:00:46] groups of their labor and interests in the value of your schoolhouse or the Maxwell Park School.

[2:00:51] And a lot of really neat and unique areas of the county that have been preserved and protected.

[2:00:57] They have also helped us.

[2:00:58] They've led the charge for getting a getting the scenic by way plan and designation and managing that for years.

[2:01:09] For a long time, this has been stewarded by Ghana.

[2:01:13] And one of the things that we are considering doing at this juncture, recognizing the importance

[2:01:19] of the issues that originally led to the creation of this board, but also now how there's,

[2:01:24] you know, one of the things that they're mostly doing is helping manage that see it by way,

[2:01:28] which is kind of a a cyclical process, you know, every five, eight, ten years.

[2:01:34] And really want to give them more flexibility to work on some broader projects without necessarily

[2:01:38] being tied directly to the county, giving them the ability to maybe better do some fundraising

[2:01:43] for other projects, that sort of thing.

[2:01:46] So we met with the Heter Jerry advisory board if they're meeting last week and we've met

[2:01:49] with Garner about this as well.

[2:01:52] And one of the plans, or one of the thoughts that we had was to transition this board, transition

[2:01:56] this work to Garner as more of a historic preservation of her heritage committee housed in Garner.

[2:02:03] It would still exist within under under the Garna umbrella as a committee there, but then, you know, and there would still be free to coordinate with the county coordinate with the planning and natural resources department.

[2:02:15] We're in potential projects to us for collaboration.

[2:02:19] Part of that plan would be that Garna will continue to manage and help facilitate the city by way and would collaborate with the county through its next recertification period.

[2:02:28] And then after that, the expectation is the county would assume full management for the

[2:02:33] scenic biway plan.

[2:02:34] That's something we've tied in with our land use code.

[2:02:36] We've got a cover of regulations that help support that.

[2:02:41] But I think the transitioning out of this being a formal county board and being a committee

[2:02:45] can be by Groninger gives them the cover of a 501C3 for fundraising purposes, donations,

[2:02:50] solicitation, et cetera.

[2:02:51] It also gives them a little more flexibility on when they meet how they meet what types

[2:02:55] of projects they can't work on, what they're interplayed with other agencies would be.

[2:03:01] And so one of the thoughts that we had is to transition this board out from being a normal

[2:03:06] county convened board that every year, the commissioners have to do a call for representation,

[2:03:14] interviews, appoint folks, and we've got to manage all that.

[2:03:17] There's something that can, and one of the things that I think has been frustrating for

[2:03:20] The Heritage Area Advisory Board is routinely losing members

[2:03:24] to terming out or terming its and not being able

[2:03:27] to keep some folks involved that have been involved

[2:03:29] for a long time and had a lot of things to contribute.

[2:03:33] So we think there's going to be a lot more flexibility

[2:03:35] with this as a committee.

[2:03:37] Garna has willingly stepped up and said,

[2:03:38] hey, we're happy to host that.

[2:03:41] We would still have a county liaison to that,

[2:03:43] so there's still some direct relationship there.

[2:03:46] We floated this to the Heritage Advisory Board,

[2:03:51] very, very, very, very, very well supportive of the concept, the one thing that they wanted

[2:03:55] to make sure that we did, and I think we can commit to, is to give it a try, you know, and

[2:04:01] see if it works. And so what we would do is set this up for a review, probably the end issue,

[2:04:06] you know, within a year, make sure it's working, make sure it's working as intended, and

[2:04:10] nothing's falling through the cracks, and that they're able to actually move some of the stuff

[2:04:14] forward, they want to move forward. But part of this discussion part of this transition

[2:04:18] plan is why we don't have any, you know, we have not done a call for new members to

[2:04:25] that board for this year, but it sounds like folks on the Heritage Area Advisory Board

[2:04:29] are supportive of this, but want to make sure we have the ability to, hey, if we need to

[2:04:33] reconvene this down the road, we can do that. And so one of the things that we wanted to

[2:04:37] bring to you was that proposal, it sounds like again that everybody involved has more or less

[2:04:42] and support of this direction.

[2:04:46] What we would do is build in a resolution

[2:04:48] that effectively solidifies this,

[2:04:50] gets them set up with Garner as a committee,

[2:04:52] and then has us review this in a year to make sure

[2:04:55] we don't need to kind of bring this back under us.

[2:04:57] And we would really let them drive whether that needs to happen.

[2:05:03] Will it boards?

[2:05:04] I mean, people are on the board today.

[2:05:06] I'll stay on the board for this next year

[2:05:08] for the trial period.

[2:05:10] That's my expectation.

[2:05:11] I think they can bring some folks back on,

[2:05:13] you know, again under a committee,

[2:05:14] a little more flexible. They don't have a set limit in the set terms and all that, but I know

[2:05:19] the folks that we met with last week and I know Susie Kelly spoke to it this morning.

[2:05:24] My expectations, they all plan to stay involved in this work and I think one of the

[2:05:28] conversations we had with Ghana was the ability to bring more folks into the fold

[2:05:34] as part of the separate across the country. I think this is something that is very important for us

[2:05:38] long-term, you know, we don't have a historic preservation board, we don't have a historic preservation

[2:05:44] entity here at a very board of service, somewhat like that, and I hope is a little more flexibility

[2:05:50] for guided to them under the guidance of going on and we'll help them kind of grow and hopefully

[2:05:55] bring us more projects.

[2:06:01] It seems like that's almost a better place for this agreement where it's been

[2:06:21] I think the general thoughts, what I would do is if everybody is, if the commissioners are in agreement,

[2:06:27] I believe this is the right direction for this.

[2:06:29] We put together a resolution to bring it back to your next meeting.

[2:06:31] free to formalize, it'll probably be on consent at that point unless there's more discussion you want

[2:06:35] to have about it. But again, we floated this to these folks last week and so they, and I think

[2:06:40] everybody kind of said largely the same thing. In support of that, let's make sure, you know, let's

[2:06:45] let's try it. I think they could also see the positives and then let's review it within a year and make

[2:06:49] sure it is working.

[2:06:55] Yeah, right. Yeah, same. I think this board's on board.

[2:07:07] All right, well, in the words of American Idol Season 1 winner, Kelly Clarkson, here I am once again.

[2:07:13] I can only imagine how it's going to be.

[2:07:19] Yeah.

[2:07:22] So a little bit different for this one.

[2:07:25] Tab as it's known was formed originally.

[2:07:28] It's founding resolution was to help it set up what was then the

[2:07:32] Chaky Shuttle, which then became not a valid transit.

[2:07:34] That was the original goal of that board.

[2:07:37] You've seen a number of different organizations that are kind of working in this

[2:07:40] Soilada has their spot,

[2:07:45] their sort of parks, open space and trails that have been kind of crossover

[2:07:49] with this somewhat.

[2:07:50] The transportation advisory board has been something that I think still the real gap for the

[2:07:55] counties for a long time.

[2:07:57] It helps get the mountain valley out.

[2:07:59] Well, if you shut up and running, but I think what we have seen over the last few years, especially

[2:08:04] in the county is more of a, I wish you were still here because I'd give them a shout out.

[2:08:07] But certainly more of a focus on transportation internally through the planning department.

[2:08:12] I think Gary Baker is our key guy there.

[2:08:15] He's got a decades of experience in this and has really done a good job of helping us move

[2:08:21] some of these transportation issues forward.

[2:08:24] To my knowledge, transportation advisory board hasn't met in probably over a year now.

[2:08:29] There haven't really been that many issues that we've needed to bring to them and sometimes

[2:08:34] they would come in kind of looking for projects.

[2:08:36] But I think it's something that we're better able to manage internally.

[2:08:40] And so one of the thoughts that we had for this board instead of having this kind of legacy board sitting out there without a direction or without a rudder at least is to kind of put this one on hiatus formally.

[2:08:51] You know, I don't think you guys have appointed members to this in at least a year or not to.

[2:08:55] And so it's kind of been sitting out there for a while, but I think what we would do is just formalize that and say, hey, we can more or less get rid of transportation advisory board.

[2:09:04] I think we always have the ability to bring that type of board or that type of committee back at

[2:09:09] Hocket necessary if we're going to do a capital improvements plan in any kind of major transportation plan.

[2:09:15] We might see the advice of those experts, but a lot of this is guided by the plans we're already working on through the

[2:09:22] St. Streets for all safety action plan coordination with our local municipalities with room bridge with C dot and I think we've we've really taken

[2:09:30] that to hard as something that we need to have a really good grasp on internally

[2:09:34] And so, you know, frankly, I don't think anybody's managing tab at this point, you know,

[2:09:40] I know our major contact there has a lot of work to do with what is now mountain value

[2:09:45] transit.

[2:09:45] And I think part of what this is is giving them the ability to not have to divide their focus

[2:09:50] in attention and really focus on making sure that there are transit options for folks in the valley.

[2:09:56] And so our proposal for the future of the transportation advisory board is to effectively

[2:10:00] say we can disband that board we don't need to appoint folks to that go and forward but

[2:10:06] recognizing me that we can bring that back to if it weren't necessary.

[2:10:10] I'm going to board with that. Makes sense to me and it goes to Gary for everything he's doing.

[2:10:14] Let me just take him out one under his wing.

[2:10:18] Are there any other boards or committees and in your line of sight?

[2:10:26] Just these, I think the rest of these, you know, we'll talk about common ground advisory committee here at a moment, but, you know, planning commission is struggling along as well.

[2:10:35] But some of this is just, you know, we've also had trouble getting high numbers of applicants release because there's just so many different opportunities and folks aren't really sure where they want to put their hat in the ring.

[2:10:46] I think this will just save us a lot of time and headache.

[2:10:50] And, you know, I think what we commit to do as part of this is making sure we're doing the right type of community engagement to make sure we understand what are the needs that are out there.

[2:10:59] You know, from the counties perspective, I think we're doing a good job of that, especially in coordination with our local municipalities and some of the folks that are working on this.

[2:11:07] from a big fan of stopping doing stuff that isn't any longer effective needed or

[2:11:16] make better use of resources that we do have in county for the focus on

[2:11:21] climate future priorities. So thank you to this.

[2:11:27] All right, you got me neither. Kelly.

[2:11:29] Hi, I do thank you. All right, all right, next discuss future

[2:11:34] and governments for coming around citizens advisory community.

[2:11:39] Thank you. In the words of LL Cooljay, don't call it a comeback. I've been here for years.

[2:11:45] This one, the citizens advisory committee really is, as I mentioned earlier, kind of

[2:11:50] driven along quite well. I know it's good. What we have, though, is a couple of issues we want to

[2:11:55] make sure we're bringing to you guys kind of for re-upping first and foremost on this one is

[2:12:00] We have had the Chaky County Community Foundation managing the grants portion of this for the last year.

[2:12:07] I think they have been tremendously helpful and professional in helping us ensure that the grants program

[2:12:15] through the Common Ground Initiative is very well managed.

[2:12:18] They obviously have significant experience managing grants programs and have been able to roll this into their portfolio.

[2:12:24] Their contract is up to believe at the end of March.

[2:12:27] We will bring this back to you guys next month before that end, but we do want to recommend that we

[2:12:36] re-up that contract for a year.

[2:12:37] One of the things you want to talk about with them and something that I've been going back

[2:12:41] and forth with, that's he didn't bear with the community foundation on his exactly what the scope

[2:12:45] of that role is, right?

[2:12:46] Because I think they were originally brought on to help us manage the grant program.

[2:12:50] What they found themselves doing was waiting into policy, waiting into strategic direction, and

[2:12:56] they said, hey, well, this really isn't what we were brought on board for.

[2:13:00] And so one of the things they said was, hey, we're going to have to come back with a significantly

[2:13:04] increased contract to help, you know, really understand, you know, to encapsule the full scope

[2:13:12] of work for this and what we said was, hey, we don't actually need you to do that.

[2:13:15] That's what I think the county's here for, that's what the county staff and county commission,

[2:13:21] we can also have helped manage this initiative together. But really saying, hey, community

[2:13:27] foundation, what we really want you guys to do is manage this robust grant program because

[2:13:32] that's what they have been so extremely helpful at. So that's one thing you'll see there.

[2:13:38] You know, as part of that work, one of the things that the Citizens Advisory Committee has

[2:13:43] brought forward, there are a number of different policies next. The next item on the engine,

[2:13:47] It is the Grand Award Agreement policy.

[2:13:50] There are also some discussions

[2:13:51] that have been having about accounting initiatives,

[2:13:55] the things that go through accounting programs.

[2:13:57] Really, what is their role and really needing

[2:14:00] to maybe take a look at that?

[2:14:02] And that's where kind of some of the language

[2:14:03] or this, the sort of governance of the committee comes in.

[2:14:07] Who's responsibility is to make those policies

[2:14:09] where are those policies kind of fit in?

[2:14:12] And how well do we want to make sure

[2:14:13] that those are a lot of existing accounting policies?

[2:14:15] And again, I'll kind of get to that.

[2:14:17] this next item. But some of the things that we're seeing are there's a fairly, the establishing

[2:14:25] resolution for the CAC is fairly inflexible, right? It sets it exactly at seven members, so

[2:14:31] there's no range. It does not provide for alternates, you know, as we have done with planning

[2:14:37] commission. I think one of the things we want to do is it's role that model into the CAC because

[2:14:40] that's been extremely helpful with planning commission, allowing folks to come on board, learn

[2:14:46] be a part of the process and that we have some ready-made replacements.

[2:14:50] Another thing, I think, that has been one of the issues we've seen with the Citizens

[2:14:54] Advisory Committee, especially with grant recommendations, so the language and the establishing resolution.

[2:15:00] Or, habits, anyone from being on that board, if they are part of an organization that is seeking funds from common ground fund.

[2:15:07] I don't know that that's not so that I've been followed to a T, we want to make sure that that's something that we are looking at as well, and I think we'd want to work with our legal counsel to make sure we understand a sufficient conflict of interest policy for that board as well.

[2:15:20] So realistically, I wanted to do this one of the least half discussion with you all about anything you were seeing with respect to this CAC before we get through the process of interviewing,

[2:15:29] and appointing new members, which, again, will get to later, but just kind of one of the

[2:15:35] also see if you guys had any thoughts and experiences with that that you want to look at

[2:15:39] at least in terms of how this thing is structured and what the role of most possibilities are.

[2:15:43] The other thing I was thinking of is term limits as well. I think it's just something

[2:15:49] And something to consider, what a big believer in opportunity for folks to, you know, jump in and

[2:15:59] share their voice and their expertise and, yeah, it's just, you know, something to consider.

[2:16:06] We all turn when, so what we do and I don't know if for any of the committees and maybe should be the same, at least having a break in between.

[2:16:14] So maybe it's two terms and then there's a pause period,

[2:16:20] and then maybe they can really play again in the future.

[2:16:23] But I hate to see things get indoctrinated in a way

[2:16:25] that maybe then shifts into a space that loses

[2:16:30] the whole point of what it's there for.

[2:16:34] So that would be one suggestion for governance to serve.

[2:16:39] I'm not a fan of term one.

[2:16:40] That's I think we have the power to tell someone

[2:16:42] that they should play take a few days off, and I mean we are going to be a point done

[2:16:49] folks, so I think that's what they have to turn on and powerfully decide to do. I don't

[2:16:54] know that we should go that in because I think it puts a false rooftop on an entity that

[2:17:00] really requires some specialized expertise and a different experience that we might want to

[2:17:07] you for yourself and the kicking someone off kind of at an arbitrary seedling that we put

[2:17:15] in to do something that we can already do, I'm not sure if I see anything.

[2:17:23] Good afternoon.

[2:17:26] Thank you.

[2:17:27] Thanks.

[2:17:28] Thank you.

[2:17:31] And that's here.

[2:17:33] Well, yeah.

[2:17:34] I would agree with you.

[2:17:36] We should look at each of these boards.

[2:17:38] communities in terms of the work they do and what the responsibility is, and just the governance

[2:17:44] process accordingly. So I

[2:17:49] think I feel some way the P.T. is about to be there. The experience

[2:17:55] and expertise required, and we also have the capability to send them as we have in the past, you're

[2:18:01] not working out here, so we would do something different. I do think the alternates and the folks

[2:18:09] related, the seeking funds requirement are related. If we have alternates on the board, it's

[2:18:18] much easier for folks that might have a conflict to reach themselves. And I think that should

[2:18:25] be a more small community, if you have any relationship to that, you can't serve that, especially

[2:18:33] If we're asking our ag folks, which even smaller community,

[2:18:40] participate in this, I think it's again, I'm not going to share this.

[2:18:44] That isn't easy, I think.

[2:18:47] A robust conflict and repusal policy isn't better to

[2:18:55] with competent alternatives to step in when that is needed.

[2:19:05] Wonderful, like the other ones, we will likely bring a resolution, a resolution to you to

[2:19:11] kind of look at on the next meeting and see kind of where that goes, but kind of understand

[2:19:16] where we want to go from there. Thank you.

[2:19:19] Quick, quick, quick, quick. With the media foundation, kind of doing that oversight, agenda, and running

[2:19:34] mistakes. This, I think just for clarity, for everybody, monitor standing as a common ground

[2:19:43] board within the rot a lot more like the planning commission were staffs putting together the agenda

[2:19:52] And providing the materials.

[2:19:53] Yes, that's correct, and actually one of the things that the community foundation will hopefully not be doing under their next contract is setting that agenda.

[2:20:02] We think that's, you know, that's something that we have capacity for the county has invested in a position to help us manage this internally.

[2:20:08] And so that's the person that will help and really be still taking the meeting setting the agenda, getting, you know, gathering the agenda items and all of that.

[2:20:15] the community foundation really can focus their support on the grant management, the actual sort

[2:20:20] of application process, finally, you know, finalizing reports, bringing reports back, all

[2:20:26] this will be a close collaboration with county staff.

[2:20:30] So, what would be the process then for four members that have an agenda item?

[2:20:40] Did it do that would be to review that with county staff, bring that to us and say, hey, what

[2:20:43] So we think about getting this on the agenda.

[2:20:46] We do the same thing with plan commission.

[2:20:47] We have historically done that with other coming boards.

[2:20:51] And I think we, again, treat them very, very similar.

[2:20:57] Yep.

[2:20:58] That's good.

[2:21:00] Great.

[2:21:02] So you got what you need?

[2:21:04] No.

[2:21:04] Yes.

[2:21:04] All right.

[2:21:05] Cool.

[2:21:06] Yes.

[2:21:07] We're at the top of our friends.

[2:21:08] Come on.

[2:21:09] All right.

[2:21:10] The stress policy for amendments to comment ground grants or word agreements.

[2:21:17] What do you got?

[2:21:18] Well, in the words of English and Lake and Palmer, welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.

[2:21:23] It is still me. I'm still here.

[2:21:26] This is a policy that the common ground citizens advisory committee brought forward a few months back regarding.

[2:21:34] I'm sorry, this is in relation to a policy that the CAC put forward about grant amendments.

[2:21:39] You know, I think you guys remember over the last year,

[2:21:43] almost every month, seemingly has had an amendment request for a common ground grant.

[2:21:48] Some of them are no cost extensions, some of them are very low cost extensions,

[2:21:51] some of them are specific line items. One of the things that we wanted to bring forward

[2:21:57] before moving forward within a policy there is kind of a discussion and a consideration around

[2:22:03] how to, you know, what what is the board want to see with respect to amendments for these

[2:22:09] for grants or for these programs anything funded from comment ground. As

[2:22:13] aware, the board provides the board kind of commissioners provides the final decision

[2:22:17] on any expenditures under the fund and so anything that goes out any of those

[2:22:22] granted minutes or anything like that has historically come back to you. One of the

[2:22:27] things that we have looked at with this is, you know, is there a dollar amount? Is there

[2:22:32] a percentage, you know, up or down? Is there an extension period that you would want

[2:22:38] to be processed administratively and not have to come back to meeting and sort of wait for that.

[2:22:44] Within a certain threshold, or do you still want to see all this stuff as it comes out?

[2:22:50] I think the proposal that was originally put forward by the CAC,

[2:22:55] has a couple gaps in it and talks about 20% and under would be administrative and 21% and over would be public meeting.

[2:23:03] if it's 20 and a half percent, we don't know.

[2:23:06] So we've got to, we have some things that we have to iron out there

[2:23:08] in terms of specificity.

[2:23:10] But one of the really greatness by you first,

[2:23:12] because the other thing that we have talked about

[2:23:15] with respect to this is that the county does already

[2:23:16] have a contract in the process.

[2:23:18] And if we were just to use the same amendment policy

[2:23:22] that we already have, is that that's efficient,

[2:23:25] but given the nature of some of these,

[2:23:28] we again wanted to have that discussion.

[2:23:30] I think a lot of the ones that we saw this year

[2:23:33] We've seen the last few years or here's a grant a war, here's a grant request, here's the award if it doesn't match or something is now more expensive than it used to be.

[2:23:42] We've got to bring that back to the board because somebody says hey I'm actually not going to do this piece of it is that okay.

[2:23:48] So really one of the try to at least.

[2:23:51] Think through some of the options in terms of what may be administratively approved through staff the community foundation.

[2:23:58] what needs to come to the Board of County Commissioners, or if it's as simple as hey, we're going to just see everything.

[2:24:07] I mean, I guess the one thing always comes to mind here is understand things change, but also one of my concerns or I guess the thing that stands out the most is something change enough that it no longer reflects what the award was originally the proposal or flex what you know,

[2:24:25] And so those things absolutely need to come back and in fact, I would just say, hey, if it's that changed the money should go back in for the competitive cycle versus have another

[2:24:40] consideration of let's look through all the the rule break and go through the process again, I think to save everybody

[2:24:47] for time and energy and respecting the time and energy also of the CAC for that too, because they'd have to open that up and do that again.

[2:24:56] But I do think there might be some space there that can staff handle the things that goes to the conversation of reasonable maybe.

[2:25:04] You know, like, what makes sense that you guys can tackle then yet there's things that do need to bubble up, but I am more of the mindset of there is enough change that we don't really, you know, we just goes back for the competitive cycle for the next year.

[2:25:16] to be used because they, you know, so thank you for changing it that much if that's what you're original for us always for.

[2:25:23] Right, and we have seen a number of these grants kind of get floated for a number of years without any review or without any kind of understanding of what the issues are.

[2:25:33] Now some of them are, you know, seasonal, right, and trying to say, hey, we're going to do some kind of firework that requires, you know, maybe if there's a burn band, for example, and I can't do something they would need to do up there.

[2:25:43] you know, I can see how there might be grounds for an amendment or a one year amendment,

[2:25:46] but it's something like that.

[2:25:48] But right now we don't really have any trackers around this.

[2:25:51] And so I think part of this is trying to work with the CAC to say,

[2:25:53] hey, we all recognize the need to cut down on the individual grant amendment request,

[2:26:01] and be able to kind of take some of these in nice whole cloth.

[2:26:06] But also not wanting to just have everybody come back every year every time.

[2:26:10] So, you know, I need, this is actually going to cost $1,000 less, going to go before the

[2:26:14] County Board of Commission. That's what I think.

[2:26:18] All right. I was thinking about this. I don't feel like, over the last three years, I've spent

[2:26:27] my campaign for a long time working on these things. We've seen a number of them, but they're

[2:26:33] generally pretty straightforward. And I don't mind seeing a lot of times, I think,

[2:26:40] I could probably go on my consent agenda,

[2:26:44] I'm not going to have to be talking about a metal work session or something like that.

[2:26:49] But I don't mind seeing them.

[2:26:51] I think one of the things that I think is going on is that cutting down on some of those

[2:27:00] multi-year grants, and by doing that, that's going to be natural when you lower the number

[2:27:07] of videos that we see.

[2:27:09] So, you know, I don't know what that, um, what that metric, why do you have to apply for a, like, help me to see this, um, maybe it's

[2:27:27] $10,000.

[2:27:29] $1,000 was for this year's Euro.

[2:27:33] And if they're plotting in 2019, I'm going to request or what that's going to happen.

[2:27:39] Yeah, and I think if anything, we want to break it up percentage because oftentimes

[2:27:44] they do a mini grant cycle.

[2:27:47] You know, I don't necessarily want to bring you guys in a minute for $20.

[2:27:52] But at the same time, do want to make sure that you guys are seeing all this and so I think,

[2:27:56] if the direction is, if the feeling is hey, we still want to see these, we can just say,

[2:28:00] You know, we can do a better job of just making sure we get them by a certain date and trying to bring them to you to explain that.

[2:28:07] And, you know, I think with our general meeting cadence and all that, it shouldn't really be more than a couple weeks before we.

[2:28:14] Before we're able to get those to you.

[2:28:16] We'll quote just with that.

[2:28:18] If for any change, then a has to go back in front of the CAC, I'm sure.

[2:28:21] Like that's I know that was some of the conversation this year was there would be these changes.

[2:28:26] And then there was like, all right, we got to wait next meeting for their thoughts, and then we have, you know, after that, then there's a meeting for our thoughts, and then it seems it, it just was a lot of like, until you got to the final product of whether it's a proof or not, it was a lot of time.

[2:28:42] And so that's the only thing I'm like, hey, is there a way to condense that is there a way to make that happen easier faster for both the applicant, the CAC and obviously, I said, our meeting, whether it's consent to general or not, whatever, but just want to keep that in mind of everybody's time.

[2:28:56] in energy with how many change, but if they are mainly multi year, then maybe we'll cut down

[2:29:02] won't be such a big deal, but just being conscious at their time in interest, too, is.

[2:29:07] Right.

[2:29:07] I think that's one of the other angles, kind of, of interplay here is, you know, what is the

[2:29:12] board of kind of commissioners desire to see this, and if that's, hey, we want to see

[2:29:15] the amendments because we're the final say here great, and then if you want to empower the

[2:29:19] CAC to say, hey, you know, if it's an x percent change on their side and they're like,

[2:29:24] We're just comfortable with that going straight to the counter-conditioners because we did

[2:29:27] to prove the expenditure to begin with, and if lower, then I think it's up to you guys to say,

[2:29:33] hey, does this still need the actual intent of the grant award?

[2:29:37] Okay.

[2:29:38] Yeah, I think we just see after.

[2:29:48] If there's, oh, yeah, any way to bundle any of this, so with the traffic to the timing issue,

[2:29:56] Well, you know, question comes up, then we, you know, wait for the next.

[2:30:00] So the meeting, then we wait for the next BOCC meeting, and also the next three months before the $20 decision gets made, being put in the air, but there's a way to bundle the sum off so that they can come through that way, but I would like to see them.

[2:30:16] So I mean, I think that's probably where we're headed to CAC setting some fairly, or having, and we can work with the community foundation and the community, or the citizen advisory committee on this, but setting some lower thresholds for the CAC and then saying, hey, you know, when they're just like, hey, we don't, we don't need to bring this before us, you know, they're, they're once and much meeting, it becomes much easier, much quicker to get it before this board.

[2:30:47] Dying. Okay.

[2:30:48] I'm just a patient with the next time.

[2:30:50] Ready?

[2:30:51] We've got two more.

[2:30:53] So up next.

[2:30:55] Consider a long range shaping county common ground.

[2:30:58] This is an advisory committee strategy.

[2:31:01] What do you know?

[2:31:02] This one is, well, I guess I should quote,

[2:31:05] Daphne here and say, one more time.

[2:31:07] That's all we have for this one.

[2:31:09] So this is more, this is related to the long range sort of strategic planning efforts

[2:31:16] around the Citizens Advisory Committee and really more of the common ground initiative funding

[2:31:23] how much to spend, how much to save and how to do that.

[2:31:26] And so to effectuate this, I've got a presentation for you all, that hopefully you will

[2:31:31] be able to see, that's

[2:31:53] not the way that I want to share it, what I'd like to do is maintain

[2:31:55] my presenter mode.

[2:31:57] So bear with me if you don't mind,

[2:32:02] I'll see what we can get to.

[2:32:05] That's not the button.

[2:32:23] Right.

[2:32:24] This is the chief.

[2:32:24] You comment down further ahead.

[2:32:25] Question.

[2:32:26] I'm talking about kind of the next five years 26 to 20 30.

[2:32:30] This is similar to a presentation that was made to the Citizens Advisory Committee.

[2:32:34] I believe in December and then some discussions followed that.

[2:32:39] To break back to you today.

[2:32:42] I'm still going to try to get these.

[2:32:44] Sometimes off for me.

[2:32:53] open your power point and then we'll

[2:32:59] get there.

[2:33:00] This is my first time ever using Zoom,

[2:33:02] so I appreciate to you.

[2:33:05] Oh, I want to kick me out.

[2:33:07] Oh, I can tell.

[2:33:09] Yeah, I

[2:33:14] mean, it's perfect for your one more time.

[2:33:17] I got all the way back, I got all the way back.

[2:33:19] Yeah, we're sleeping all the way back.

[2:33:21] No, I can come in down like in good hopes,

[2:33:24] so it's not like you'll have any problems

[2:33:25] getting back to Salaida.

[2:33:27] Unfortunately, fortunately, yeah.

[2:33:30] or back to you.

[2:33:32] I'm going to be a person.

[2:33:33] Oh, you have some really deep in on the cross.

[2:33:36] You have that.

[2:33:38] Oh, that's worse somehow.

[2:33:40] Not you.

[2:33:41] This.

[2:33:46] There you go.

[2:33:47] Repeat a snowboard there.

[2:33:50] That's the screen you wanted.

[2:33:52] I mean, it's not.

[2:33:52] I've got some notes that I want to read from.

[2:33:55] So, um, you know, I tried to do this the professional way and include it in my PowerPoint presentation.

[2:33:59] And I'm just, I can work with Microsoft Word and that's about it.

[2:34:04] Would you say, yeah, what's the point now?

[2:34:07] You hear the screening?

[2:34:09] Yep.

[2:34:09] You're analyzing that.

[2:34:10] You're displayed.

[2:34:11] You open your car window.

[2:34:13] A second instance.

[2:34:14] And then you're able to navigate that.

[2:34:16] And sure, it's right.

[2:34:18] This is why I know.

[2:34:20] Yeah, really.

[2:34:22] Doesn't want to be my partly cloudy, but mostly blue.

[2:34:25] A little longer right now.

[2:34:26] That's why.

[2:34:27] Now that it was like the same position.

[2:34:32] Kind of how it counts.

[2:34:35] We'll figure it out.

[2:34:38] So, quick background in a piece of historical context of some of this, right?

[2:34:41] The ballot measure was approved by Safety County voters in 2018.

[2:34:44] That ballot measure levied a quarter percent or a point two-five percent,

[2:34:48] countywide sales tax.

[2:34:50] The establishing resolution in that ballot measure provided that that

[2:34:53] sales tax would go to effectively three buckets,

[2:34:56] strengthening force, health,

[2:34:58] and supporting working ranges and farms and rural landscapes, and managing the impacts of growth.

[2:35:07] Part of that initiative created the Citizens Advisory Committee.

[2:35:12] And as we've discussed a few times already earlier today, the Citizens Advisory Committee,

[2:35:16] their role is to make recommendations on expenditures from the fund.

[2:35:21] Right, so they are recommending buying any time money from that fund is being spent.

[2:35:25] that is their role, that's what they're convened to do, and that's what was established by that balance.

[2:35:31] One of the things that note here, since 2019, which if you counted common ground has taken in approximately $11 million,

[2:35:38] and then through 2025, $12 million has been either spent or committed or future funding through competitive grants,

[2:35:46] multi-year partnerships, and initiatives.

[2:35:48] As

[2:35:54] you can tell, sort of with a simple accounting measure here, that's maybe not the best way to manage this fund long term, given we tend to commit more than we have spent over the years out of that program.

[2:36:10] So,

[2:36:14] one of the, I think one of the real key elements of this program over the last six years, and the way that it has been managed is that we have been able to address really quickly,

[2:36:27] some of the most important issues we had, right? Some of those, the low-hanging fruit that

[2:36:32] we had as part of this initiative. You know, we've done a lot of work in the Forest Health

[2:36:37] Arena mitigating wildfires. We have done a lot of work on the wreck side. We've gotten a

[2:36:43] lot of money out to them. We've been able to help the ag folks with a number of different projects

[2:36:48] as well, but all of this money to date, at least until last year, was spent through a competitive

[2:36:54] grant process. That competitive grant process was something that the county created. It was not

[2:36:58] something that was identified as part of the ballot measure and it was not something that

[2:37:03] is, you know, the only way to sort of spend these funds. But I feel like I think the history

[2:37:08] of this is that it has really helped the county to address these things right off the back.

[2:37:14] Some of the challenges that we have seen with respect to this fund is that, again, as I mentioned,

[2:37:20] It has been over appropriate, you know, while we've been able to do a lot of really good projects.

[2:37:25] We don't have the ability, for example, to utilize this fund for any competitive loans.

[2:37:30] You know, some of these zero interest loans from conservation, the conservation fund, but from GoCo, or CPW, some of these other funders.

[2:37:38] Because there's no way to say, hey, we can pay this back.

[2:37:41] We're also, you know, with this broad slate of multi-year commitments.

[2:37:44] We are really banking on sales tax to continue to grow to be able to continue funding this program the same way.

[2:37:52] Some management challenges, you know, again, not having robust conflict of interest policy.

[2:37:58] Just making sure that we understand that money coming in and money going out needs to be as transparent and open a process as possible.

[2:38:06] because this is a public fund.

[2:38:10] This is, frankly, this is part of a public trust.

[2:38:13] We and you are certainly elected.

[2:38:16] And we are here to help manage that public trust.

[2:38:19] And one of the things we want to make sure we are not doing is eroding that public trust.

[2:38:23] One of the things that we are seeing,

[2:38:25] you know, we have seen is the inability to support larger projects.

[2:38:29] You know, all the stuff going out in competitive grant cycles,

[2:38:32] typically have caps, caps, the ability to utilize these funds for some of those larger projects.

[2:38:40] And then, traditionally, historically, we also had a lack of internal capacity to help manage

[2:38:45] any, you know, a lot of this stuff was farmed out, it was contracted out, there was a lot of

[2:38:49] overhead that was paid out of this thing to help manage this program writ large.

[2:38:55] And you know, I think the next few years we will continue to see, I think increased ability to manage

[2:39:01] that internal of. Again, with those challenges, it also brings opportunities. I think one of the

[2:39:06] things that we're looking to do with a strategic plan over the next few years is to match

[2:39:11] that strategic direction of our major funding partners. For example, Goke, their new strategic

[2:39:16] plan adopted in 2025. Highlights that they're focused on broader larger landscape projects.

[2:39:24] CPW and their Colorado's Outdoor Strategy Initiative. They are elevating larger projects.

[2:39:31] that again are tied to kind of this landscape scale project, and I will note, you know,

[2:39:40] GoCo's strategic point also calls up, but they will be elevating projects for funding

[2:39:44] that align with Colorado's outdoor strategy.

[2:39:47] So I think part of this evolution from the common ground perspective is to help match those

[2:39:50] funders, because obviously bigger level projects higher, more funding from them requires

[2:39:54] a little bit more match for us.

[2:39:57] Again, it's the ability to support some larger projects.

[2:39:59] We've got some examples of those from other places that I'll show you in a few minutes, but I think, you know, historically the common ground grants that have been going out have been roughly five figures have been kind of mid five figures on average.

[2:40:13] And I think, you know, what it doesn't enable us to do is look at some of the broader projects that the higher dollar projects that are out there that can really make the lasting generational impact in this community.

[2:40:23] And, frankly, I think one of the opportunities is just responsible for fiscal management.

[2:40:27] As I mentioned, these are funds that are in a public trust.

[2:40:29] They are public tax dollars, and they should be managed and stewarded both transparently,

[2:40:35] and in a way that ensures that we're not committing so much to overhead.

[2:40:38] You know, there is a cap in that resolution about the amount of overhead, but we want to

[2:40:43] make sure that everybody understands it.

[2:40:44] Here's how you apply for a common ground initiative.

[2:40:47] Here's how a common ground initiative or a program gets started.

[2:40:50] And so we have the opportunity to kind of strengthen that as we go forward as well.

[2:40:56] I mentioned some of these larger projects.

[2:40:57] This is really what drove a lot of this.

[2:40:59] And some of the examples that I will, that I'll point out from other places,

[2:41:04] Gunnison County, a decade or so ago, used their land conservation fund,

[2:41:11] which is a similar tax that they've got in Gunnison,

[2:41:13] partnering with GoCo and Trust for Public Lands to purchase be 43-7-440, almost 44-hundred-acre

[2:41:19] Trans-Range and Gunis keep that in agricultural production.

[2:41:22] I think a significant percentage of Gunis and counties

[2:41:25] ag production came from that ranch and they were able to acquire that

[2:41:30] and make sure they could stay in agricultural production.

[2:41:33] More recently has a number of items that have been underpicked in county.

[2:41:36] has boosted their, they have paid a little over $6 million for $71 acre feet of water

[2:41:43] to boost stream flows in the warning fort.

[2:41:45] As we talked about this morning, ensuring water in the river in this community is vital

[2:41:51] to its livelihood.

[2:41:52] If I remember the statistic correctly, something like 49% of respondents to the original

[2:41:56] common drought survey mentioned that outdoor recreation is vital to their business and

[2:42:03] their livelihood here at the county.

[2:42:06] Picking County was able to use a,

[2:42:08] they've got a healthy river fund to fund 1% tax for that,

[2:42:11] but they also recently purchased that 658 or snow mass

[2:42:14] falls ranch in partnership with GoCode Trust Republic

[2:42:17] lands with a similar sales tax that they have to ours.

[2:42:23] A couple of opportunities that you've seen more recently

[2:42:26] in a state land board, just purchased or is finalized

[2:42:29] the purchase of Lake Fort Branch in the Lake County, you know, that's more than just water

[2:42:34] rights, it's more than just public access and recreation, you know, it's part of an entire

[2:42:38] kind of ecosystem up there, and then gosh going back, well, they're going forward. But going back

[2:42:44] all those 30 years now, Douglas County, you know, if you've ever driven I-25 between Casa Rock

[2:42:48] and Colorado Springs, so much of that land in the middle there was protected through their green,

[2:42:53] greenland ranch acquisition funded through a similar tax measure. So all of these are obviously

[2:42:57] other places, and I will note very clearly one of the frames we always hear is we are not

[2:43:02] any of these other places, but you know what I wanted to do is at least provide you examples

[2:43:06] of what other places are doing with similar funds when we talk about larger projects and what could

[2:43:11] happen here. You know, and these are things that continue to get brought up and it's really one of

[2:43:16] those ideas when I go back to that concept of missed opportunities.

[2:43:21] You know, you don't start

[2:43:22] stating for a house once you've identified the house you want to buy, you know, it doesn't

[2:43:27] really work that way. You want to make sure you've got some funds in the bank to support

[2:43:31] this type of thing while, you know, to really take advantage of an opportunity when it comes

[2:43:36] bail. So as part of that, what we put together was some five-year goals for this program.

[2:43:44] What we want to do is grow the unallocated, common ground fund balance to $3 million by the

[2:43:49] of 2027 and $6 million by the end of 2030.

[2:43:54] Now, I don't specifically mean the unaccount unallocated bucket that represents 45 percent

[2:43:58] of what we bring in.

[2:43:59] What I just mean is not committed, right?

[2:44:01] Because as I mentioned earlier, we are about a million dollars over-appropriated with the

[2:44:04] fund through multi-ure commitments.

[2:44:06] This is effectively kind of putting some money in savings to be able to say, hey, we've got

[2:44:10] some funds to bring to the table for some larger projects.

[2:44:16] What we want to do is provide sufficient funding for county initiatives.

[2:44:20] You know, some of the things that we've been able to stand up through this program,

[2:44:24] that are just, just move it along themselves today.

[2:44:27] You know, the references and recommendations for them.

[2:44:30] That every year for a while came through a competitive grant process.

[2:44:33] That's been a successful program that we were effectively able to transition to

[2:44:36] into a county program or initiative as we call it.

[2:44:39] That's just being managed.

[2:44:40] Now, again, you guys have allocated a lot of context this year, but traditionally managed through the common ground process.

[2:44:47] I think the best example more recently is the working land facilities initiative, and recognizing that we really want to amplify the voice of our working land and community.

[2:44:56] Both common ground specific but also more broadly.

[2:45:00] And have invested funds out of this to help them do that. We also want to continue to support our existing long-term partnerships, right? We want to make sure we can still meet the commitments that we have made, even if they are multi-year. We certainly don't want to have to tell anybody, hey, I know you're coming in for your four or five of this project that you've staffed up for and put a lot of money towards, we just don't have it anymore. We don't want to do it. We want to be on our those existing commitments and build towards a $500,000 plus, you know, minimum $500,000 annual competitive grant process.

[2:45:28] I know that we got that number from the community foundation who kind of assessed this and the need and said hey, here's what we think we can do.

[2:45:34] You know that really provides that community support.

[2:45:37] While also understanding how much money is coming out for initiatives for programs for multi-year commitments etc.

[2:45:43] So these are the five-year goals of the program. These are the things that we kind of try to set a strategic parameters a wrap.

[2:45:51] Now, the initial proposal here was drafted very conservatively and there was some base model assumptions that we're into this.

[2:46:01] We motioned at a $1.8 million annual revenue every year. That's from that sales tax.

[2:46:07] That's been pretty standard over the last three to four years.

[2:46:12] Though we have seen it increase every year since then.

[2:46:14] Now, obviously, we don't know what this year will be.

[2:46:16] We don't know what a dry winter and whatever's coming,

[2:46:20] there's summer may happen, but we've projected this

[2:46:22] with a fairly conservative annual sales tax, allowing.

[2:46:27] And what that allows us to do is budget this sort of savings

[2:46:32] and spending balance on a conservative number,

[2:46:35] such that anything that comes in above that

[2:46:36] can be put into that grant cycle, right?

[2:46:39] So we say, hey, by the intervening year, we've got more

[2:46:41] than on point A to the bank, that's an additional.

[2:46:43] whatever that delta is, can go right into supporting that grant cycle.

[2:46:48] We originally based this model off of an end of your balance of 1.4 million at the end

[2:46:53] of 25.

[2:46:55] Again, this was conservative allowed for some flexibility.

[2:46:58] We actually now know that the end of your costs are 1.4, or end of your figure is 1.45.

[2:47:05] So there's about a digital 50 in there from December cash.

[2:47:09] And one of the things that I want to make sure we're clear on because when I originally

[2:47:13] We were looking at year to year sales tax, which rolls two months forward, but I think getting some guidance from our finance department.

[2:47:20] We just say, do this on a cash basis, so you know at the end of year, which you haven't the end of year, get off the wait two months.

[2:47:27] While again, I think for the first time in my life being wrong, that was hard for me, but I think it was the right approach.

[2:47:36] I, you know, what we can do is say, hey, we know what we know what we know with the end of the year.

[2:47:41] So 1.45 million is that number, so I'll show you an updated spreadsheet shortly.

[2:47:46] Interested calculated 3%.

[2:47:47] Usually we're a little bit higher than that, because this is, this is, you know,

[2:47:51] these are invested in our normal county council to do it through interest.

[2:47:55] Aggregation into that fund, though, based on how we're utilizing that,

[2:48:00] lags by about a year to ensure that we actually capture the full year of interest, right?

[2:48:03] So if I say, hey, in the year, I've got $2 million in the bank, my next year's interest

[2:48:07] is based on $2 million.

[2:48:09] It's likely to exceed that, but we drafted this conservatively to make sure we really don't

[2:48:14] want to have to cut back on anything necessarily.

[2:48:18] And then finally, the administrative costs increased 5% a year.

[2:48:20] Right.

[2:48:21] There is still a cap on this.

[2:48:22] The portion of this is still allocated for the grant, and then grant process of administration

[2:48:26] that will still be through the community foundation.

[2:48:28] And there's a portion for internal staff as well for the facilitation of some of these

[2:48:32] and some of these at a program, but we did kind of, we just, we calculated an annual, and

[2:48:40] annual, I guess, inflation of the administrative costs and five percent, because that tends

[2:48:43] to be what the, what kind of contracts go by, and then that's what the Canadian Foundation

[2:48:47] is expecting as well.

[2:48:48] So there's some base model assumptions in this sort of five-year funding model that we just wanted

[2:48:56] to make sure we're very conservative.

[2:48:59] So, this was the original proposal before we kind of made some adjustments to it and what you can see there is, as I mentioned earlier, the starting balance, the end of year 25, the starting balance for 26 was 1.4.

[2:49:12] As I noted that, we'll go up and you'll see that reflected across the board here, we're reflecting a 1.8 million dollar sales tax, and so that's clearly conservative there.

[2:49:22] You had, for 2026, you had $1.3 million in commitments already.

[2:49:27] This was, again, a few months ago, and so that's when the county made the decision that

[2:49:31] was not going to be a competitive grant cycle that was funded in 2026.

[2:49:36] And I say, funded in 2026, because what we're really basing this off is when the funds go

[2:49:42] out the door.

[2:49:44] Now, we are, you know, as we shift this around to try to get money out at the beginning

[2:49:48] of the year, rather than kind of in the middle or Q2, we will actually start at taking

[2:49:52] applications for future grant cycles in the year before, but

[2:49:56] rather than say like Q3 of 26 to Q2 of 27, we're doing it,

[2:50:02] you know, the date here is based on the date the funds actually did

[2:50:05] disperse, which I think we are planning for January to be

[2:50:08] here going forward. So, in actuality, the 2027 grant cycle

[2:50:12] will start in 26 with applications, but it won't be a

[2:50:20] What we proposed again down here at this end of your target in a talix was the savings goals we've mentioned from the goals earlier 3 million by end of year 27 6 million by end of year 23 and what you could see here is we can eventually get there.

[2:50:36] With, you know, again, you'll note there were $1.3 million in previous commitments for this year.

[2:50:41] Over 700,000 in commitments for 27, 4 and 28, 3, you know, and they go out here.

[2:50:46] You've got a significant number of commitments that have already been made for future years.

[2:50:51] Then, and cover some of those funds. So we were a bit behind those goals.

[2:50:54] And what that was going to really do was eat away at that competitive grant site.

[2:50:57] Right, and say, okay, well, next year we might only be able to offer a mini grant site to level $100,000.

[2:51:01] dollars, maybe build up to 228,429, and finally get to that 500,000 plus number in 2030.

[2:51:10] Key to that, as you guys did just a month ago, was the lodging tax reallocation for

[2:51:16] record ages and record dollars.

[2:51:18] So these were programs that were originally part of the common ground commitments that the

[2:51:23] board approved covering out of the lodging tax fund, approximately 225,000 from there.

[2:51:29] And what this does is add those funds back into common ground by reducing those previous commitments.

[2:51:35] Now, what I'll note is in these models, there's a similar ask that is likely to be made for 2027, if funding allows.

[2:51:41] But again, one thing I should note is, part of all this is we're not asking you to approve a budget for five years, right?

[2:51:46] This is all, us every year, part of our budget plan.

[2:51:49] I just wanted to make sure everybody was aware of kind of what we were talking about,

[2:51:52] that we'd be able to kind of re-up this every year just in concept.

[2:51:55] So, a similar ask is likely to be made for record ranges record doctors next year, but I think

[2:52:00] all that's going to come down to what funding is available and we'll know a lot more

[2:52:03] by the end of this year what that looks like. So, this is our scenario model that we came

[2:52:08] up with with that allocation. As you can see, what it did here was reduced those commitments by about

[2:52:13] $200,000 and $26,27. Which then allowed us both to actually hit these proposed savings numbers.

[2:52:20] is in the viewer balances, while also increasing each year, the amount of money that we were able

[2:52:25] to put into that grant.

[2:52:27] So we would start with 250,000 in 2027, which is really, I think, the minimum amount that

[2:52:33] the community foundation says, like, if you're not going to do 250, don't do it, you know,

[2:52:39] do a mini-grant or a adult do anything, but we said, okay, we can try to at least get to that,

[2:52:43] above it up to 350, and we would hit that five number a year earlier in 29, and then 23rd.

[2:52:48] So this was another model now again.

[2:52:50] This still was reflecting kind of November December projections rather than what we know now.

[2:52:56] And I think Commissioner Lucreci to some of you to one of your points earlier.

[2:52:59] One of the things that we are seeing is a lot of these grants that we might not have needed.

[2:53:06] Or the may have been extended a lot or may have some funds coming back.

[2:53:09] They were all used.

[2:53:09] Can go back into that bucket as well.

[2:53:11] So one of our thoughts was any additional thing here.

[2:53:14] Any additional dollars and sales tax.

[2:53:16] any increase from that 1.8. Any previous commitments that don't get spent, all of that would go back into that grass cycle to bolster that. Right. So, so none of that would be additional savings, none of that would be additional money that doesn't get spent.

[2:53:29] At least at that time, it would all be kind of good back out of that grand cycle.

[2:53:35] And you could, again, I think I probably could have put this up earlier. These are the two side by side. You can see kind of the difference differences there in the numbers.

[2:53:41] And at least this is what was originally proposed to the Citizens Advisory Committee.

[2:53:47] They came back with a counter-proposant.

[2:53:49] It was drafted by some members of the Citizens Advisory Committee outside of the public meeting,

[2:53:55] but it was presented to us at their last meeting.

[2:53:58] And what the proposal was to effectively bump this savings model out,

[2:54:04] bump this concept out for 10 years, rather than five.

[2:54:07] So the idea would be to try to get to $6 million by the end of $20.35, rather than $20.

[2:54:14] So they said, hey, in contrast, we'd rather keep a million dollars in new grants every year

[2:54:21] and whatever is additional and would go into that unallocated fund until there's a project

[2:54:25] to utilize.

[2:54:28] There's two schools that thought here, but one of the things that I told the

[2:54:31] to do when they proposed this was that I would run this backup to fly bold run this back

[2:54:34] commissioners to get your feedback and see if this was something you wanted to do.

[2:54:39] What we really heard from this, though, I think the message that we took from this is,

[2:54:42] again, we want to make sure that we could put as much money out of the communities we can.

[2:54:46] And I think one of the key points of this that seems to get Mr. Struder lost somewhere,

[2:54:51] is that the idea of building up a savings balance in this fund to utilize for larger projects

[2:54:56] is not diverting funds away from the common ground fund, right? That any money spent from

[2:55:01] sales tax has to be spent under those three buckets, under the Common Ground Program, and

[2:55:06] anything that would be spent would go to the Citizens Advisory Committee for a recommendation.

[2:55:11] What we're saying is we can't keep papering over some of these issues that we continue to

[2:55:17] throw at grant funds at every year to try to fix. What we really want to do is focus on

[2:55:21] a balance between putting money back out of the community for some of the folks that are doing

[2:55:25] this.

[2:55:25] while also maintaining a portion of this for potential

[2:55:30] larger projects and opportunities that may come up.

[2:55:33] You know, again, I mentioned that we have taken in a little

[2:55:36] over $11 million over the lifespan of this fund this far.

[2:55:40] Over, approximately two thirds of that have gone to just four

[2:55:43] organizations.

[2:55:45] You know, so this isn't something that has been quite as broad

[2:55:48] and that as we have wanted to cast with this.

[2:55:51] You know, we've had four organizations that have taken two thirds

[2:55:53] those funds through these grants. So the Canada proposal from the CAC was to expand this

[2:56:01] out into the year 2035 for meeting that funding goal while still maintaining a grand cycle

[2:56:08] of at least a million dollars. As I mentioned, our takeaway from this was that what we wanted to

[2:56:13] do was put as much money into that grand cycle as we could. Now, what we were able to do with the new

[2:56:18] numbers is kind of an updated scenario here if here's what it's tracking right now. And again,

[2:56:22] We'll ultimately get some direction at least in feedback from the county commissioners on that kind of proposal.

[2:56:27] But one of the least provides some updated numbers based on again, what we know in the year balance of starting dollars of 2006 is 1.45.

[2:56:35] Again, we're still projecting 1.8 in sales tax here and the 3% interest earned from the prior year off of these balances.

[2:56:40] with the lodging tax reallocation from the, for the, for the, the, the record ranges

[2:56:48] and record hours program, as well as we've got at least $128,000 coming back from the

[2:56:53] central Colorado Conservancy, because they have, as they transition from their five year

[2:56:58] pilot program for the community conservation connection dollars to their 10 year program that

[2:57:04] we've just approved.

[2:57:05] They haven't yet spent not all the five year funds, so they don't need that money.

[2:57:09] They don't need a distribution of that in 2026, so we were able to further reduce those commitments and hit this

[2:57:16] fund and go and put a lot more into this upcoming grant cycle.

[2:57:19] So I'm confident in saying with this model that for the grant cycle that we're a funds of this person,

[2:57:24] January of 2077, so the one that will start with applications in likely auditors of timber of this year,

[2:57:30] we can have at least $450,000 in that grant cycle kind of as a baseline number and still hit.

[2:57:36] frankly, at the end of next year we might be $500 short of this savings goal. I'm not really

[2:57:42] worried about that. I think we can probably either find that somewhere or or let that one go.

[2:57:48] To be able to put at least 450 back into that grant program, that would be again added to what is

[2:57:54] then a you know $500,000 plus existing commitment, small to your grants, partnerships, that sort of thing

[2:58:02] To put back out next year. So as you can see with this one we get to these numbers a lot faster

[2:58:07] And I think we would do the same thing with with 2028 again

[2:58:09] It's still model that 350 with the expectation is anything that comes back from this year

[2:58:14] And if any increase in sales tax over two years with health support that number and so that's kind of our updated scenario a lot of now

[2:58:21] No, and what we know and also understanding we want to strike a balance of putting money

[2:58:25] You know

[2:58:26] Through this competitive grant cycle process while also maintaining the ability to focus on some of these larger projects

[2:58:32] I think another key point here, I don't think you're going to get to the end of 2030 with all this money there, right?

[2:58:40] I think the idea is to be able to use this for projects that are likely to pop up sometimes sooner than this.

[2:58:46] The beauty of having a five-year model is that you can easily kind of roll it over once that gets bent back down.

[2:58:50] You have a baseline number and you can start over.

[2:58:53] And I also think another point that I want to make sure is clear is,

[2:58:57] You know, these are spent out of the common ground fund, these are spent on common ground related projects.

[2:59:02] These would go through the citizens advisory committee for recommendations and come to the board for review.

[2:59:09] But it's not likely that we are utilizing these funds exclusively to pay for something by ourselves.

[2:59:16] Right? This is likely part of a capital stack that comes from, you know, this fund, you know, again helping us apply for larger projects from GoCo

[2:59:25] or CPW trust for public lands,

[2:59:27] the conservation of whoever it may be,

[2:59:29] that's really putting a lot of dollars towards

[2:59:31] these broader projects.

[2:59:32] This gives us the ability to actually have some money

[2:59:36] in the bank that we can use for that.

[2:59:37] I'll also note it makes us a bit more attractive

[2:59:39] and eligible for some of these low opportunities.

[2:59:41] We don't have a proven track record of being able to pay

[2:59:45] something back in a few years with this fund

[2:59:46] because we've always over-appropriated it.

[2:59:49] And I think if we can say, hey, go co or trust for public lands,

[2:59:53] you know, you've got your zero interest loan program for two years, we've got the ability to pay you back through this

[3:00:00] That opens up some additional funding opportunities for this fund and for this community as well.

[3:00:07] And again, I think that this is not something that is new in terms of its direction.

[3:00:13] The ballot measure, the resolution that put the common ground ballot measure on the ballot in 2018,

[3:00:20] and contemplated things like land acquisition as part of it, right?

[3:00:24] That is built into something that is, you know, the examples of supporting

[3:00:28] Ag or working lands and rural landscapes

[3:00:30] or supporting the ability to manage the impacts of growth.

[3:00:35] And, you know, so this is not something that is created

[3:00:39] brand new, we're just taking a look back

[3:00:40] at these establishing documents and saying, hey,

[3:00:42] how does this fit within our plans?

[3:00:44] How does this fit within our broader goals?

[3:00:46] And how do we make sure that we can kind of find this balance

[3:00:48] of being able to support these opportunities when they come available while also making sure

[3:00:52] that we're supporting the community in the ways that we have over the past few years

[3:00:56] and want to continue to do.

[3:01:00] Again, we've got some, I think, the next steps for you guys,

[3:01:04] again, this is not a budget hearing. It's not the adoption of a budget. The 26th budget is done.

[3:01:09] I'm sure Dan doesn't want to revisit that. Part of this was just kind of getting your feedback

[3:01:13] and understanding of what that model was and then to be able to take something back to the

[3:01:19] We, here's what we're doing, you know, we've got, I think they are, you know,

[3:01:26] I hesitate to call them a silly competing proposals, but what I think they are is that we

[3:01:29] said trying to find some balance here in that framework in order to know if the

[3:01:33] organic commissioners have any different direction other than kind of what we set or

[3:01:37] or at least what we're thinking about.

[3:01:41] Thank you, Rebecca.

[3:01:44] Yeah, yeah, I feel like we don't emphasize what we had to emphasize in the beginning

[3:01:49] and then we have to jump start this when we get it off the foot start too, and then we can back to a running mode that's with the both sides.

[3:01:56] So in the way sense, they kind of accelerate our savings early.

[3:02:01] That's important.

[3:02:02] I think it's just loaded up.

[3:02:03] So I mean, for example, here in the model that we need to see.

[3:02:09] And it's conservative and that we do better,

[3:02:11] but a little back into the current grand cycle.

[3:02:13] That's the key right there.

[3:02:15] There.

[3:02:17] Oh.

[3:02:17] Yeah.

[3:02:19] Well, and I think this really

[3:02:24] having that rainy day fund for that critical project that pops up that we haven't caught up yet is by far in the best interest in very much.

[3:02:39] I think that's what the common ground tax was approved. That was really what they were looking at was that opportunity opportunity to take care of our forest

[3:03:04] to take care of our advocates, to help out with recreation,

[3:03:10] and I think this is, yeah, the next

[3:03:13] effects, right? Critical phase in that stewardship.

[3:03:20] Yeah. Yeah.

[3:03:23] No, first off, thanks for the presentation. It was great. And sitting in a committee in listening

[3:03:32] And I appreciate thoughts coming from the committee and their involvement and all the work they're doing, especially with the competitive grant cycle, which is their main role. I pre-feet, you know, they, their intention to share their thoughts and I do think what's presented here today in this more conservative model for savings is by far the way to go.

[3:03:57] A few points, I just wanted to reiterate from your proposal that this is a model that we're considering to help

[3:04:11] kind of build that unreserved, unallocated over the five year period, but those funds could be used for a great opportunity at end of time.

[3:04:21] You may of the same minute. We don't have to wait until we get to 2030 something pops up. We can use that. There's no rules that we have to wait that that time frame and I think that's something just really important to point out.

[3:04:36] I think there's been a little bit of misinformation and along the way with some of this and I just want to make sure that's clear for folks listening and understand that.

[3:04:50] Another point in PT touch them as well, and you brought up a great stat that, you know, four organizations have

[3:04:58] I've utilized two thirds of the funding from CIC. Now, I'm sure there's a good reason for that.

[3:05:04] I can't speak to all that before I got here, but at least some of it probably before I got here, but

[3:05:12] but the three things that, you know, were in that ballot measure, which we've identified.

[3:05:16] It's great and I'm glad those are the things we're focused on and I do think that having the ability to have it's on an allocated dollars for opportunity that might be a bigger a bigger thing

[3:05:30] allows those dollars to stretch for therefore the entire

[3:05:34] County everybody

[3:05:36] I think it's really important that we've identified these these three areas which I think everybody cares about

[3:05:44] But it's nice to see that people that are hanging with their tax dollars to this fund also have the opportunity to reap the benefits from it.

[3:05:54] Not just some organizations or individuals.

[3:05:57] Now granted it's important that every their space for funding for each group.

[3:06:03] But I do think it's an important call out that the entire community gets benefit from this as well.

[3:06:10] those larger opportunities that made pop-up. I think that's really where the opportunity presents itself.

[3:06:16] And I just think it's important for all. I know this was about I sure that past, you know,

[3:06:21] as a close, and I think maybe some of the reason for that was some folks were worried that they weren't

[3:06:25] going to see a benefit from it. And so having this unallocated funds goes to potentially something that

[3:06:36] as that larger impact through the county,

[3:06:39] I think they may feel, hey, I'm seeing this come back around

[3:06:43] and I'm really happy for the opportunity.

[3:06:45] So I think it's just kind of addresses

[3:06:46] that larger scale, I don't know, a approach

[3:06:52] or that impact for everybody.

[3:06:55] And I just, I don't think we really get a chance

[3:06:57] talk about that too often in that regard.

[3:06:59] And so I want to kind of push it to the forefront.

[3:07:05] And the last thing, just to kind of reiterate, again, because I think it's, I'm sure the information's out there and it's correct, you know, outside of this year for 2026 and not having a competitive grant cycle, there will be a grant cycle, moving forward all the other years.

[3:07:21] Additionally, there will all outside of the competitive grant cycle.

[3:07:25] There are still funding that's already been pre-approved for those multi-year.

[3:07:31] So we have two buckets there.

[3:07:33] And then we're being able to have some that allocated dollars.

[3:07:37] That's the third piece of it.

[3:07:39] And so we're still able to do all the things that have been done in the past.

[3:07:43] So nothing is disappearing.

[3:07:44] The intent and the goal and the mission of this remains the same.

[3:07:48] we're just taking a more conservative approach viscally and ensuring that we have opportunities

[3:07:53] for the entire county if something larger comes up or maybe it is an opportunity that works for

[3:07:59] one thing or the other but I think having those funds in place for that is probably the most

[3:08:04] important thing we can be doing so anyhow just wanted to kind of reiterate those points as I

[3:08:10] I don't feel those those have been shared properly or appropriately. Yeah thanks again I think one of

[3:08:17] things that we heard was some serious concern about taking money out of the common ground fund

[3:08:25] to fund other county projects and I think that is very clearly not the case.

[3:08:29] It's not any of the intent here and I wanted to at least address those concerns very

[3:08:34] specific but because all we're talking about is the ability to do broader projects within that

[3:08:38] common ground umbrella and I think what we have seen over the you know in the past there have been

[3:08:42] projects that really are funded out over at least are hitting multiple of those funding areas at the same time.

[3:08:52] You know, we've seen some projects that try to help balance the needs of record agriculture together, or a forest health and recreation.

[3:08:58] You know, there's a lot of opportunities for, you know, a project to really hit multiple benefits.

[3:09:06] And one of the things we want to do is make sure that that's part of the key criteria to reviewing these.

[3:09:10] Because the ballot measure does still prescribe certain expenditures, certain percentages to those buckets, and wanting to make sure we're following that to a team.

[3:09:19] And so again, nothing like this gets done without broad community support, nothing gets done without a lot of outreach and engagement, nothing gets done without this thing going.

[3:09:29] Any opportunity going through the citizens advisory committee for recommendations through the county commissioners for approval of expenditures.

[3:09:37] And, you know, I think this is for us kind of the next step in the evolution of this program and of this common ground initiative is to make sure that we're really making a lasting impact.

[3:09:53] Any thoughts for us here, Dave?

[3:09:55] Sure.

[3:09:55] Okay.

[3:09:57] First of all, thanks again.

[3:09:59] Smile for the presentation.

[3:10:01] Math and the work.

[3:10:05] I've learned a lot just listening to my injury

[3:10:08] here speaking to some of this also.

[3:10:11] I think the confusion.

[3:10:14] I'm going to call it infusion.

[3:10:16] Intentional or Intentional.

[3:10:18] It's going to,

[3:10:19] and around short-term funds and lots of funds.

[3:10:21] And those aren't separate, you know, seal containers, right?

[3:10:26] There's flow between them.

[3:10:28] And so a model is just that a model, right?

[3:10:31] But the strategy and the importance of this is the point that P.T. made about getting a

[3:10:36] cells ready for a long-term achievement is reiterated also.

[3:10:40] And I'm totally behind that.

[3:10:43] So we can't predict a future.

[3:10:46] And until such time as we get to a point where the short-term projects

[3:10:52] financially buff up against concerns about saving enough for long term, we're going to have

[3:10:58] to deal with that when and if that happens. But hypothetically think about that today,

[3:11:05] just winds us up in a lot here and it's not good. It's like somebody coming into our meeting

[3:11:11] and saying, my land's worth less because you've got this code. It says that something down the road

[3:11:16] might impact it negatively.

[3:11:20] Well, I think you can't save money if you spend it,

[3:11:24] and you can't spend it if you don't have it.

[3:11:26] And I think for us, again, this is a model.

[3:11:29] And if there's a significant need to bolster a grain cycle,

[3:11:32] or an initiative, or something else,

[3:11:34] you've got the ability to do that.

[3:11:36] This is not anything set in stone.

[3:11:39] This is just, hey, here's how we're going to operate.

[3:11:41] Obviously, at least for this year,

[3:11:42] and I think giving us a preview of what we're going to do next year,

[3:11:44] because ultimately what we want to do is set the community foundation up to start getting applications

[3:11:52] for that 2027 grand cycle this year and they want to do that starting in August and I think

[3:11:58] with these numbers like I said I think we can commit to at very minimum for $150,000 now with

[3:12:02] this approach. If you want to take a different approach we go from that. We can finalize those numbers

[3:12:07] at a later date again once we see kind of how folks have utilized their 2025 funds but I feel

[3:12:13] pretty good about having a cycle that's going to, again, put somebody back out of the community,

[3:12:19] especially given we've already committed, you know, and we'll spend over a million, a year,

[3:12:23] and over 500,000 next year, irrespective of any additional funds approved.

[3:12:28] I think just, and for clarification, too, just for listening and in the room, I mean, the

[3:12:35] KAC and the BUSCC were all in the same page with they're not being a competitive

[3:12:43] grant cycle for 2026 and also that we should have an unallocated fund.

[3:12:49] So both groups have to see that as a smart move.

[3:12:53] So this isn't something that's completely outside of the lines.

[3:12:56] And though I think you've started the conversation kind of sharing that the competitive

[3:13:01] a grant cycle, wasn't actually part of the original minute.

[3:13:04] That was something that was put in.

[3:13:05] So there is flexibility to be able to do more and

[3:13:09] change things if see fit.

[3:13:11] And I think that's where we've had a great

[3:13:13] conversation to see what does make sense.

[3:13:16] And so I think all the work that's been done to guess

[3:13:18] where we are today has been an excellent job.

[3:13:21] It's been thoughtful.

[3:13:22] It has been collaborative.

[3:13:24] And I think we're doing a great job

[3:13:25] and thinking about the future of our community and county.

[3:13:28] so.

[3:13:31] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You guys did a good job. I understand it better now.

[3:13:39] Thanks. All right. All right. Thanks, Susan. Thank you, Susan.

[3:13:45] Thank you, Susan. Thank you, Susan.

[3:13:48] Are you looking for emotion or anything? I don't, I don't need a motion. I think this was, you know,

[3:13:52] considering that long range strategy. I think, you know, if you guys have some direction to

[3:13:56] to take back to the CAC to let them know. Hey, here's what we're doing. You know, I know the community

[3:14:01] foundation is ready to get moving on there and internal preparations. And so I think, you know,

[3:14:06] this was the model we've more or less set up. And I think if you guys are in agreement that this is

[3:14:11] the way you want to go, that's where we'll go. And I will, you know, again, we're ready to kind of put some

[3:14:16] more information out about this because I think it's been

[3:14:22] kind of ping-pong back.

[3:16:15] Okay, so for both climate commission and CAC, I don't have any major pending items that are going to require somebody to be in place, you know, March 1st, all these are built in such that the term of anybody whose term is ending does not actually end until you appoint a successor.

[3:16:33] But we have had some other metrics and so I think what we would do is if you guys would direct us to sex and interviews with those, we will find the dates and times for that with your schedule and hopefully set those interviews as soon as possible.

[3:16:46] How many seats are on planning commission?

[3:16:49] I think commission right now I believe has one open regular seat and up to two alternates.

[3:16:55] based on the seven voting members and two alternates system that we've had in place for the last year or so, which has been working great.

[3:17:02] The CAC has at least two voting member seats.

[3:17:07] But it does not have alternates, and I think based on the model we have, we would have at least a couple of alternates hopefully.

[3:17:14] We can add two alternates. Yeah, absolutely.

[3:17:19] I mean, I would say maybe after our next workshop session on the second or after our meeting.

[3:17:26] I mean, ideally one other altogether.

[3:17:29] Yeah, I think that's what we are initially playing and taking a look at these agendas to say,

[3:17:33] I hate work sessions and regular meeting dates.

[3:17:35] And that gives us a flexibility in early March to get these things.

[3:17:38] And give folks some understanding if I can't make the first Monday,

[3:17:41] or make the first Tuesday, maybe I can make the second Monday.

[3:17:43] I will not be around on the night for our work session, Dave, to that, my friend, and so I would ask.

[3:17:56] We can stay away from that one thing.

[3:17:58] I would like to personally love to have everybody provide an interview, and I would like to be there for all of them.

[3:18:06] And again, I think once that period closes today,

[3:18:09] terrorist advantage of that,

[3:18:11] and terror can send out kind of a hate.

[3:18:12] Here's what we got for each one in the world,

[3:18:14] we've talked to those candidates to give them some dates

[3:18:17] for those potential interviews and go from there.

[3:18:25] Nice to meet you.

[3:18:27] Hi.

[3:18:28] OK, our last regular item,

[3:18:30] consider creation of governance resolution

[3:18:32] for the lead advisory board.

[3:18:36] Thank you.

[3:18:36] I will spare you any pop culture lyrics for I'm sorry that I didn't deliver on that, but the

[3:18:44] last item in the theme of some sort of re-visitation and cleanup of our volunteer advisory boards

[3:18:51] and committees with gratitude for all of the individuals who show up and give their time and experience

[3:18:58] to these efforts. The lead advisory board is a statutory mandated advisory board for counties who have

[3:19:06] that we've made a plan, which is also requirement of county is comforting back to 1990.

[3:19:10] So we've had a plan in place in 1992, and in doing so, had established a weed advisory board,

[3:19:16] basically, aligns our weed management plan with the realities on the ground.

[3:19:23] You need to the weed advisory board from the other ways in which we have managed boards and committees

[3:19:30] This is that the advisory board was established in an intergovernmental agreement between

[3:19:37] Ch. B. Coney and Lake County. Lake County has also adopted our week management plan.

[3:19:44] And the service on their jurisdictions is also provided to our week management department or

[3:19:50] I'll be there watching speeds, division of non-cass speeds now located in the Canadian Planning Natural Resources Department.

[3:19:56] And as we've had leadership change in that role over the past year, we've looked a new, at some of our historical constructs and management.

[3:20:05] And as Brian Malik is updating our weekly management plan, we're also looking more broadly at the ways in which the weed management board, et cetera, have been facilitated.

[3:20:14] And doing so with the United Faculty, this IGA is actually a bit antiquated, both in terms of the individuals who are made as members of the lead advisory board, as well as some of the details that we'd like to get straight right now really sort of hybridizes are complaints, the adoption of the lead management plan, the individual lead or appointees, money is associated with contracted services for different jurisdictions like Lake County.

[3:20:42] as well as enumerating some of the specific species that are covered and what we really feel

[3:20:49] like would be a better practice, it is to break these out into appropriate instruments for

[3:20:54] these reasons.

[3:20:55] So having a weed management plan, which is a standalone document, ultimately adopted by publishers,

[3:21:00] which Brian is working on, obligating that's a first statute of every three years cycle,

[3:21:05] as well as have a governing resolution that sounds the weed management board to meet the requirements

[3:21:11] statute says what their attention is, where they reside, the terms, any of those details that are

[3:21:20] both mandated by statute as well as what is viewed as a best service to the community.

[3:21:25] There are some things that require them at the majority of the members have land over 40 acres,

[3:21:31] etc. So some attributes that we just want to make sure that we are attentive to and reflecting,

[3:21:35] as well as representation from any other jurisdictions like Lake County, who have adopted our

[3:21:42] WD management plan and have a joint board overseeing our two counties, as well as any

[3:21:47] agreements that in a fee for service engagement or our read department, providing services

[3:21:53] on the ground there, are just reflective of our current needs, our scope of work, and the indexing

[3:21:58] those types of things that we would want to get cleaned up.

[3:22:01] As it so happens, the IGA that is in place with Lake County on an identified year rolling IGA will be up for reconsideration or renewal in 2027, so that now is as good a time of any

[3:22:13] to just address these questions and clear up so that we can get those sorted out and stood up in the ways that make most sense both of the advisory board, which we've got

[3:22:22] and commissioners represented instead of past four members as well as some of the current acting members that are within other jurisdictions and then just set us up for success, so that as we update that we manage with many, etc.

[3:22:35] All these things just work well together and in a sense.

[3:22:39] So wanted to just bring this up as something that we've identified we've reached out to late county to pursue similar conversation with them and make sure that they would be amenable.

[3:22:49] some of these cleanups, I mean, you're not seeking specific direction today, but just in the same theme of all of these

[3:22:55] advisory committees and boards, I wanted to let myself do something that we'd like to tighten up and set up

[3:22:59] for subsequent action. So desire and direct. I think it's great. I'm disappointed that our second meeting in April

[3:23:10] is the 21st because this would have been a lot of fun if we're on the 24th or 24th or 24th or 24th.

[3:23:17] Good.

[3:23:18] Good.

[3:23:19] Different types of.

[3:23:22] Of course.

[3:23:24] Under desirable speech.

[3:23:26] Of course.

[3:23:27] Then in the.

[3:23:28] For that.

[3:23:30] But yes, certainly Brian was in branded.

[3:23:32] Tony Garrett's a lot of questions and sort of.

[3:23:35] Side glands, I think.

[3:23:36] It's.

[3:23:37] How did the community.

[3:23:39] So to be clear.

[3:23:40] Thank you.

[3:23:41] Yeah.

[3:23:41] Plurification.

[3:23:42] I was.

[3:23:53] You're not looking for, you said, no, it's just physical action. Again, we're just, you know, you want to get in the right rotation and timeline and particularly because I haven't yet had the opportunity to discuss that link.

[3:24:05] Hopefully, despite having reached out to them, I just wanted to bring this up is something that we're working on and if there were any questions or considerations that you had at this point.

[3:24:12] who had told us, and otherwise, we'll bring this back to you, and coming meeting with us.

[3:24:17] There's something for somebody that we've worked with so much, telling you on some of the work.

[3:24:21] I mean, there's a region, and I think bringing this on, we have questions, but he's got a whole, you know, free month.

[3:24:27] There's relationship there.

[3:24:28] We work with Steve out.

[3:24:29] There's a number of different frequencies.

[3:24:31] How do these sort of interesting way reach out?

[3:24:33] We see that the affirmative, there's permission to talk to the community there.

[3:24:36] So there is a broader footprint.

[3:24:37] It's what then the professor didn't have to come on broadly, but I think in terms of having adopted our remanagement plan that I'm going to relate.

[3:24:50] Well, I don't think you have the direction you need so you're.

[3:24:56] I do.

[3:24:56] And well, we'll come back here in coming weeks with some sort of action. So thank you.

[3:25:01] All right. Well, the role into commissioner comments, there's just.

[3:25:05] about this there's still one thing I kind of wanted to share first and kind of well

[3:25:12] they will roll back in. I apologize for having to scoot out that coffee was intense and I

[3:25:18] could not. That was going to make it anyway.

[3:25:24] It's a real quick. One thing for the board to consider

[3:25:30] or maybe we can get this on the next agenda,

[3:25:34] we'll have to push it to a little bit later,

[3:25:37] but something I've been thinking a lot of,

[3:25:39] when we talked a little bit earlier about today,

[3:25:42] we were the board of the adjustment or sort of,

[3:25:47] okay, language forward, but anyway,

[3:25:50] but I think we really helpful if we could formally

[3:25:54] continue with the conversation around wildlife mapping

[3:25:58] in the sit-backs, then we've had a few conversations as far a few things have come up and I know

[3:26:04] it's been I think pretty tough too on the community natural resources department too.

[3:26:11] We've got a great lane use code but I think we all agree that this that living document and there's

[3:26:16] opportunity to just redefine and come up with definitions and that reasonable conversation that we had

[3:26:26] last meeting, you know, and how we define that. And so I think if my fellow commissioners

[3:26:33] here, I've heard you with this idea, but I think it would be nice to maybe do an executive session

[3:26:38] with our team from the Community Natural Resources Department and the BCC to just kind of talk a

[3:26:45] little bit about that. So we can look into some of those issues, but obviously I think it's important

[3:26:51] that we are able to do that together, which is why I would ask for the executive session.

[3:26:57] So, three of us are at the same conversation.

[3:27:01] Obviously, it opens to lots of, there's another way you'd like to do that.

[3:27:05] But I do think it might be nice to all be around together and kind of chat a little bit about that.

[3:27:12] And I don't know if legal has anything.

[3:27:15] That's obvious about that community session.

[3:27:18] Okay. Okay. Well, I don't really care. But, but I do think we need to, I just want to push that forward to have a formal conversation where instead of just potentially cost around ideas because I think it's something that will help not only the community helps are, and you have such staff helps us helps everybody, how do we, how do we approach that and maybe work through that process a little better for everybody involved with out and you know,

[3:27:47] pretty any injury too, because it's a great code.

[3:27:54] So yeah, I say, you know, I don't, we don't know if it needs that,

[3:28:00] about a, you

[3:28:04] know, Maori, you know, they don't know if it's okay.

[3:28:07] They're good.

[3:28:10] Okay.

[3:28:10] Actful. I think just a work session discussion.

[3:28:14] Okay.

[3:28:15] That's, I mean, if we start there and it's something

[3:28:19] super sensitive crops up, that you feel needs, or school, and maybe we could pull that off to the side to take it later.

[3:28:31] I think it's something we have to talk about, something that we promised people when we were developing a language code, but as we found these kinds of bumps that we would talk about.

[3:28:49] As are kind of the last couple of larger things that we have, we're around those wildbites.

[3:28:58] And the setbacks there and how that works.

[3:29:02] And so obviously that's one thing that's a little bit more just fine to me.

[3:29:07] I think those maps are a little shallow, I mean, we just need to talk about how we're going to start because, you know, you can be right here in the high impact area and then six inches over in a not a high impact area, and that's not actually how wildlife works.

[3:29:33] So a fun discussion around how we do that kind of that blending of habitats and how that actually works in the real world.

[3:29:47] So maybe we're miles deep.

[3:29:50] I've seen the student apartment, you know, and so how do you feel about a work session, you know,

[3:29:57] I think hopefully that would help you.

[3:30:00] I want to help your team to, you know, I mean, this is how do we make this easier for everybody and I want to beat you guys up.

[3:30:07] So, you know.

[3:30:10] Question.

[3:30:11] Can you bring it out?

[3:30:12] Can you bring it out?

[3:30:13] Can you bring it out?

[3:30:17] Okay.

[3:30:20] It's a planning commission.

[3:30:24] I don't think so.

[3:30:26] I don't think so.

[3:30:28] It's a pretty

[3:30:35] serious mistake.

[3:30:36] It's a pretty serious mistake.

[3:30:36] One more time.

[3:30:39] But the plan equation has a role in this.

[3:30:42] There are some of these applications that they would see.

[3:30:45] But I think what we would do is say, if there's a, if there's a change in interpretation,

[3:30:50] a lot of this, I think is direction to staff about its interpretation of some of these items that are up for administrative review.

[3:30:56] If that's saying criteria or direction from the commissioners would apply to a planning commission session, we would like to know as well.

[3:31:05] My intent here is really just trying to find a way to help all parties involved will maintain the purpose and the importance of what is in place.

[3:31:14] I just personally try to, like, collaborate and make it easier for everybody, so we've also time money, stress, and all the things, but I want that to be went for everybody. It's not just one party of the other.

[3:31:26] So, I don't know if you're all going to be right there.

[3:31:32] No.

[3:31:33] Here are the so why don't you do that? Don't you bet.

[3:31:36] And you're okay, cool. Then maybe we can work on getting that.

[3:31:41] an agenda in a time frame that makes sense after with you guys and see what works for you all,

[3:31:46] but I just wanted to bring up a meeting so it could be formalized as something that it is

[3:31:51] a priority for us to collectively look at and move on. So there's an order to create something that's

[3:31:58] constantly changing the way your life, force, and water into a static.

[3:32:06] But technically I guess those

[3:32:08] Commissioner Common, I just kind of thought of as additional maybe business to continue with, but now I'd

[3:32:15] pass it over to you all for your thoughts. You want to do a little first.

[3:32:22] You're always ready. Okay. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, actually. I don't know. I've been kind of doing

[3:32:28] with my Commissioner Commons for a while because there's a lot of doing to prove that the world,

[3:32:32] but I think today staying positive, you'll want to accept them. Awesome. Yeah.

[3:32:37] about the U.S. ski teams, what the Nordic and Alpine teams,

[3:32:43] exceptional, those lady Bob slutters, unbelievable.

[3:32:48] That's been great fun.

[3:32:49] I want to go do some skeleton, anybody ever done that?

[3:32:52] I love hunking my self head first.

[3:32:54] Yeah, great next speeds.

[3:32:57] That's kind of my thing.

[3:32:58] That's why I became a commissioner.

[3:33:01] Well, for just a little bit, I think you guys

[3:33:08] I'm going to head off the monitor and get a tower pad to go to the top of the pan out.

[3:33:15] Just go for it, let it rest.

[3:33:17] Don't do that.

[3:33:19] It doesn't like something that guy would have done.

[3:33:23] Let's be a purgatory back in the 80s.

[3:33:27] Okay.

[3:33:27] Follow me.

[3:33:28] That's what I got.

[3:33:30] Dave, anything?

[3:33:32] Well, you like the long version of short version.

[3:33:34] This is your time to shine, my friend.

[3:33:37] Well, I had, I had a few extra minutes over this one weekend,

[3:33:40] so I'm going to give you the, though, three minute working.

[3:33:46] So Chiepy County's a special place to all of us who

[3:33:49] call it home and enjoyed by many visit.

[3:33:53] Some even moving here.

[3:33:56] While the environment, mountain trails, wildlife,

[3:33:58] Arkansas River are undeniably beautiful.

[3:34:01] for many is the community of people who care.

[3:34:05] When we sacrifice for each other,

[3:34:07] we create opportunity for all and ourselves.

[3:34:12] My election to the County Commissioner role

[3:34:14] is a gift in an honor from the citizens of the county.

[3:34:18] In return, I promised to obey all of U.S.

[3:34:21] cost, owe to obey the U.S. Constitution and our laws.

[3:34:24] Additionally, I promised to do the work needed to fulfill

[3:34:27] your expectations for truth and transparency and in doing so under trust every day.

[3:34:36] I joined the county or I joined a county organization with two other commissioners who are very talented and committed to leaving the county better than they found it.

[3:34:45] We are learning and adapting and getting better every day even when the wind is not at our backs.

[3:34:52] Our ambition is to continue this work, housing for those who need it, business models that

[3:34:57] pay a living wage, working lands that reflect our heritage with economics that work for ranchers

[3:35:04] and farmers, to protect those that obey our laws, and legally prosecute those that don't.

[3:35:12] Public health and human services for those who need or require protection, a commitment to protect

[3:35:19] and sustain our natural environment in life in it,

[3:35:22] to continue fostering a welcoming community,

[3:35:26] we will build on all of these.

[3:35:29] Community has stepped up also in the form

[3:35:33] of many nonprofits, boards, and commissions

[3:35:35] to meet our needs and advance our dreams

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[3:35:39] We are fortunate for these dedicated citizens,

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[3:35:46] Change is never easy, especially when things seem to be trending in the right direction.

[3:35:52] Yet we learn, build new commitments, force new paths, and take personal and team responsibility for the results.

[3:36:00] We won't be perfect, in fact we commit to learn from our mistakes and fix them faster than we made them.

[3:36:08] Common ground is that one example of growth and change with many positive results to date.

[3:36:14] As the county comprehensive plan and sustainability plan evolves, so too, of the common ground

[3:36:20] strategies and projects, we can't do everything yet we are fortunate to have a stream

[3:36:26] of revenue to support immediate and long-term priorities.

[3:36:29] The county takes its responsibility to the community seriously and it's commitment to utilize

[3:36:35] taxpayer funds effectively and on well-defined priorities.

[3:36:39] The advisory committee is a team of experts in the best position to execute and recommend

[3:36:45] project priorities.

[3:36:47] The county will manage funding and the county advisory committee identify and recommend

[3:36:53] priorities.

[3:36:54] The BOC will vote on recommended projects, rates, and provide funding.

[3:37:00] Together we can meet both short and long-term goals to be prepared for the future.

[3:37:07] there it is right there. Sociality written. Sociality done.

[3:37:15] I don't know if I can fall up. Yes, yes, I think I think that was very nice. I don't know.

[3:37:25] The only thing I would say is just thank you again to our staff and everybody for all

[3:37:30] their hard work and making the school is I'd say it's easy and

[3:37:34] Can you know, but, um, but it really does take and takes everybody to have a well-oiled machine for what the county is in all the all the time.

[3:37:43] And so it was big, uh, I think, a big docket today, and I think we did pretty good job them through it.

[3:37:50] I know it's 1233 and everybody's probably hungry right now, but it does take a lot to get this work done.

[3:37:55] And so that's off to all of you and keep up the good work. There's anything else.

[3:38:00] Good job, Jim, first of all.

[3:38:02] All right, well with that, we will adjourn. It's 1234. Thank you, thank you.

Board of County Commissioners - Third Tuesday

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