[5:45] Good evening, everybody. Welcome. Nice to see a big crowd here.

[5:50] We'll call this meeting to order for the July 21st, 2025 regular meeting for the Village of Buffalo Grove Board.

[5:59] And if you'd all join me with the Pledge of Allegiance, please.

[6:20] Thank you all for that.

[6:21] And if the clerk would please call the roll.

[6:25] President Smith.

[6:26] Here.

[6:27] Trustee Johnson.

[6:28] Here.

[6:29] Trustee Richards.

[6:30] Here.

[6:30] Trustee Cicero.

[6:31] Here.

[6:38] Thank you Madam clerk we've got one set of minutes to approve tonight and I will entertain a motion to approve the

[6:45] minutes from the June 16th 2025 regular board meeting. So moved. Second. I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion on those?

[6:54] any corrections? Seeing none, clerk please call the roll.

[6:59] Johnson? Aye.

[7:01] Richards? Aye.

[7:02] Cereo? Aye.

[7:03] Johnson and Warrant? Aye.

[7:04] Warrant Check? Aye.

[7:05] Widenfield? Aye.

[7:06] Motion carried. Thank you. Item three is approval of Warrant,

[7:11] Warrant number 1383. Mr. Black?

[7:15] Thank you. Thank you.

[7:17] For the general fund, we have payments of $1,661,469.38.

[7:23] 8 cents parking lot fund three hundred and forty three dollars and fifty-five cents debt

[7:29] service fund four thousand ten dollars and sixty-two cents late cook to fund six hundred

[7:35] ninety seven thousand four hundred fifty nine dollars and fifty cents capital projects

[7:39] facilities two hundred seventy three thousand one hundred fifteen dollars and thirty two

[7:43] cents capital projects vehicles and equipment one hundred fifty four thousand four hundred

[7:47] $161 capital project streets one million three hundred seventeen thousand six hundred and thirty five dollars and thirty four cents

[7:55] water fund

[7:57] one million two hundred and thirty seven thousand eight hundred sixty six dollars and thirty seven cents Buffalo Grove Golf Fund

[8:04] Seventy seven thousand one hundred ninety dollars and twenty three cents

[8:08] Arboretum Golf Fund one hundred twenty eight thousand three hundred sixty six dollars and ninety two cents

[8:13] Refuge Service Fund seventy six thousand eight hundred fifty six dollars

[8:17] information technology fund $109,847.69, central garage fund $103,203.21 and building maintenance

[8:30] internal service fund $89,910.49. We have three payrolls for the period ending June 15th,

[8:40] $2,025, $1,881,988.89 for the period ending June 29th, $1,179,506.81 and for the period

[8:55] ending July 13th, $1,191,415.79.

[9:01] total warrant 1383 is $8,293, $231 and 32 cents. Thank you. Thank you, Chris.

[9:13] Trustee Cicero entertain a motion to approve warrant number 1383, please.

[9:19] I move to approve warrant number 1383 in the amount of $8,293,231 and 32 cents.

[9:26] Second. We have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion on the warrant? Seeing none, clerk, please call the roll.

[9:34] Johnson. Aye. Sirio. Richards. Aye. Sirio. Aye.

[9:41] On the hundredth. Aye. Otrick. Aye. Eindfeld. Aye. Motion carried. Thank you. Under President's report, two items for me.

[9:49] I'd like to acknowledge the passing recently of Bobby O'Reilly.

[9:57] Bobby O'Reilly was the Buffalo Grove trustee from 1979 to 1987.

[10:03] We'd like to send our condolences to her family and friends.

[10:09] Item two, I've got the opportunity of a lifetime for all of our residents.

[10:15] Next Tuesday, July 29th, from 5.30 to 7.30, right here in this room, you've got the opportunity to use your creativity and your vision to help us determine what Clove Park is going to be for the next several years and for many years after that.

[10:40] So please, we need your engagement.

[10:44] We're looking for all public input.

[10:47] And again, it is an open house format,

[10:51] and I've been informed that there's going to be some good refreshments as well.

[10:56] So please, next Tuesday, 5.30 to 7.30, right here,

[11:01] continuation of our public engagement for Clove Park.

[11:06] With that, we'll move on to item 5, the Village Manager's Report.

[11:13] Thank you, Mr. President.

[11:14] You really just made Nicole Wood's evening.

[11:17] I mean, she's so happy to hear that plug for Clove Park.

[11:24] But equally as important, I would like to call on our

[11:28] Board of Fire and Police Commissioner, Chair Ed McKee,

[11:30] as well as Chief Cain, who will be administering the oath

[11:34] for our newest firefighters here in the village of Buffalo Grove.

[11:40] Thank you. Good

[11:42] evening. Good evening. Thank you for the opportunity to stand before you this

[11:46] evening for another exciting event in the history of the Buffalo Grove Fire

[11:49] Department. Tonight President McKee will administer the oath of office to the

[11:53] fire department's three new hires. Firefighter EMT Timothy Heatley, firefighter

[11:58] paramedic Patrick Murray, and firefighter paramedic Nicholas Walski.

[12:02] Firefighter E.M.T. Heatley is a U.S. Navy veteran and a former emergency room nurse.

[12:07] He graduated McHenry County College's Fire Academy last Friday.

[12:11] This evening his badge will be pinned on him by his wife, Anson.

[12:15] Firefighter paramedic Patrick Murray joins the Buffalo Grove Fire Department after serving

[12:19] with the Lake Zurich Fire Department.

[12:21] He is a 2014 graduate of the Elk Grove Township Fire Academy and a 2016 graduate of the Highland

[12:26] Park Paramedic School.

[12:28] Patrick's badge will be pinned on him by his mother.

[12:33] Firefighter Paramedic Nicholas Wolski joins the Buffalo Grove Fire Department after serving with the Spring Grove Fire Protection District.

[12:39] He is a 2024 graduate of the McHenry County College Fire Academy and a 2025 graduate of the McHenry County College Paramedic School.

[12:47] Nick will learn to regret this, but his badge will be pinned on him by myself.

[12:53] I'd now like to have our new firefighters and their family members come forward and

[12:58] then I'll turn them like over to President McKee to administer the oath of

[13:00] office to our newest members of the Buffalo Grove Fire Department.

[13:03] All

[13:17] right, thank you all for coming up and I'd like to thank the background team

[13:21] that helps us so much as we evaluate candidates. We have such a great

[13:25] department and you can see the family that's here to welcome you and they

[13:30] will do a great job of grooming you and helping you become successful in

[13:34] our department. So again, welcome to the department.

[14:19] Basically, for taking lives in property,

[14:23] as I just said, the duty of firefighting for the night is to best of my ability.

[14:32] Congratulations.

[15:08] And then we have the oldest chair for you to sign over here.

[15:44] Thank

[16:08] you.

[16:25] Okay.

[16:26] Thank you, Chairman McKee.

[16:29] Thank you.

[16:31] Thank you, Chief Cain.

[16:34] And welcome to our new firefighter paramedics.

[16:39] And I believe that's the end of the Village Manager's report.

[16:43] It is, thank you.

[16:45] And we will move on.

[16:46] There is no special business tonight,

[16:48] or is there any reports from trustees tonight?

[16:53] Seeing none, we'll move on to the Consent Agenda.

[16:58] Item 8, all items listed on the Consent Agenda,

[17:02] which are available in this room this evening,

[17:04] are considered to be routine by the Village Board

[17:06] and will be enacted by one motion.

[17:09] There will be no separate discussion of these items

[17:11] unless a board member or citizen so requests,

[17:14] In which event the item will be removed from the general order of business and considered after all other items of business on the regular agenda under new business.

[17:26] If the clerk would please read the consent agenda.

[17:30] Thank you. Resolution 2025-21, adopting intergovernmental agreement with the Joint Emergency Management System, JEMS.

[17:39] Ordinance 2025-79, authorizing the certificate of initial acceptance for Tesla.

[17:46] Ordinance 2025-80, authorizing the certificate of initial acceptance for the clove.

[17:53] Ordinance 2025-81, authorizing a development improvement agreement with the Malnadi Organization, LLC, for the Lume-Malnadi's patio addition.

[18:05] Ordinance 2025-82 approving a special use for a non-academic school at 727 Hastings Lane.

[18:13] Ordinance 2025-83 approving a right-of-way access agreement with Level 3 Communications,

[18:21] LLC.

[18:22] Ordinance 2025-84 approving an amendment to the PUD and preliminary plan for Epicure

[18:29] Dining at 720 Westlake Cook Road, Ordnance 2025-85 approving a right-of-way access agreement

[18:38] with EZ Fiber, Texas, LLC, Ordnance 2025-86, an amendment to the preliminary plan for a

[18:47] deck at Lumilnotties 85 South Buffalo Grove Road, Ordnance 2025-87, authorizing execution

[18:56] of a contract with Hydrochem Systems, Inc.

[18:59] for Automated Truck Wash at 1650 Lake Lighter Lane.

[19:05] That ends a consent agenda and staff recommends approval

[19:08] of all items on the consent agenda.

[19:09] Thank you, Madam Clerk.

[19:11] Is there anybody on the board

[19:12] that would like any item removed from the consent agenda?

[19:18] Seeing none.

[19:19] Is there anybody from the public

[19:21] who would like any item removed from the consent agenda?

[19:27] Seeing none, I will entertain a motion

[19:29] to approve the consent agenda.

[19:31] So moved.

[19:32] Second.

[19:33] Discussion?

[19:35] Seeing none.

[19:37] Clerk, please call the roll.

[19:39] Johnson?

[19:40] Aye.

[19:40] Richards?

[19:40] Aye.

[19:41] Cesario?

[19:41] Aye.

[19:42] Vattenheimer?

[19:43] Aye.

[19:43] Bochick?

[19:43] Aye.

[19:44] Oidenfield?

[19:45] Aye.

[19:45] Motion carried.

[19:46] Thank you.

[19:47] Consent agenda is approved.

[19:49] We'll move on to Item 9, ordinances and resolutions.

[19:55] And Trustee Bochick, I'll entertain a motion

[19:58] to approve Resolution Number 2025-22.

[20:03] I move to approve Resolution 2025-22,

[20:08] approving the adoption of amendments

[20:10] to the Personnel Manual

[20:12] for the Village of Buffalo Grove Employees.

[20:14] Second.

[20:15] We have a motion and a second.

[20:18] Ms. Goldbach.

[20:19] Good evening.

[20:20] Good evening.

[20:21] Board of Trustees,

[20:22] this evening before you for consideration

[20:24] as an amendment to the Buffalo Grove Personnel Manual

[20:26] In an effort to maintain internal equity and consistency in the administration of employee

[20:32] benefits, staff recommends the incorporation of one additional floating holiday per calendar

[20:38] year for all non-represented employees.

[20:41] The purpose of this additional floating holiday is to allow employees to use it for personal

[20:48] observance including Juneteenth or any other significant cultural, religious, or personal

[20:53] dates of importance to the individual employee. This amendment to the manual aligns the benefits

[20:59] of non-represented employees with those negotiated in recent labor contracts. At this time I'd

[21:05] be happy to answer any questions you may have.

[21:08] Thank you, Katie. Any comments or questions for Katie?

[21:15] Seeing none, clerk, please call

[21:17] the roll.

[21:18] Johnson.

[21:19] Aye.

[21:20] Richards.

[21:21] Aye.

[21:21] Cisterio.

[21:22] Aye.

[21:23] Ottenheimer.

[21:24] Aye.

[21:24] Hi.

[21:24] Mocha.

[21:25] Hi.

[21:25] Wydenfield.

[21:26] Hi.

[21:26] Motion carried.

[21:27] Thank you.

[21:28] Thank you.

[21:29] Thank you, Katie.

[21:31] Trustee Wydenfield, I'll entertain a motion to approve ordinance 2025-88, please.

[21:37] Thank you, Mr. President.

[21:38] I move the adoption of ordinance 2025-88, which is an ordinance authorizing an engineering

[21:44] services agreement with Hampton, Lenzini, and Renwick as contained in your packet

[21:49] and subject to final approval by our legal counsel.

[21:53] Second.

[21:54] We have a motion and a second.

[21:56] Ms. Schwab, welcome.

[21:57] Hi, thank you, everyone.

[21:59] Thank you.

[21:59] Good to see you all tonight.

[22:00] This contract will provide critical staffing coverage

[22:03] during the engineering division's leadership transition

[22:07] and support the increased development

[22:09] and infrastructure project demands.

[22:12] Hampton, Lindsay, and N. Renwick were selected

[22:15] based on their experienced team members,

[22:17] their flexibility, and their cost-effective approach

[22:20] and to ensure continuity of services

[22:22] while permanent hires are recruited and onboarded.

[22:26] STAC recommends approval of a six month time

[22:29] and materials professional service agreement with HLR

[22:33] for engineering support not to exceed $300,000.

[22:37] I just want to point out this is a not to exceed

[22:39] and it's only as needed.

[22:41] So whatever services we are provided is what we will use

[22:44] and we're going to be assessing weekly

[22:46] what our needs are for the project coverage

[22:48] and development needs.

[22:50] And this time I'll answer any questions.

[22:53] Thank you, Brigitte.

[22:54] Comments and questions, trustee Otenheimer.

[22:58] Thank you, Mr. President.

[23:00] So you hit on my key point, six months and not to exceed 300,000.

[23:04] I'm going to ask you to look into your crystal ball.

[23:07] Do you have any idea are we going to come close to 300,000?

[23:10] Because that sounds like a lot of money

[23:12] for a six-month period.

[23:13] It does.

[23:14] And I honestly don't think so.

[23:18] This is a very aggressive ask, I'm aware of that,

[23:22] but we're also wanted to plan for a worst case scenario.

[23:25] I can already see that this week

[23:27] we're not gonna need 40 hours of service from them.

[23:31] So it'll be kind of ebb and flow.

[23:33] There's some weeks that we might use more

[23:35] and there's some weeks that we might use less.

[23:37] They've also proposed a different level of staffing.

[23:41] So we have some higher level senior staff members

[23:44] as well as some new entry employees that can provide some of the more simpler services

[23:49] or we need them to look up resources for us, provide background support for different projects,

[23:56] they'll be able to do that instead of paying someone high level money.

[24:00] Thank you.

[24:01] Thank you.

[24:02] Trustee Caesarea.

[24:04] I would just like to echo that and say, you know, I saw the number and I'm like,

[24:09] it seems like a lot, but full support for doing it this way, right?

[24:12] because we don't know what we don't know.

[24:15] We're trying to cover for somebody who's very talented

[24:19] as you're remaking the department.

[24:21] Right? And looking at that,

[24:23] I understand there are a lot of moving parts.

[24:25] So full support for arranging the moving parts.

[24:28] It was just something we're all cognizant about, obviously.

[24:31] Thank you. That means a lot.

[24:33] We are trying our best to maintain continuity.

[24:35] So thank you for noticing.

[24:37] Thank you, Trustee Boček.

[24:40] just really quickly we have a couple of different engineering firms and I guess

[24:44] my concern and totally trust you I just want to get your pick your brain on this

[24:51] we have a couple of different engineering firms how do we prevent sort of

[24:54] gaps in the scope I mean is each one kind of identified by a particular

[25:00] project you know what I'm saying so this particular contract is for the

[25:04] development reviews and capital program infrastructure support needs the

[25:12] consultants that we've hired to address those specific projects will still be

[25:15] running those specific projects this is more ancillary items that are coming up

[25:20] that we may not have anticipated it's change orders happening in the field

[25:24] typically that's something that myself or the former village engineer would

[25:28] review for approval and giving the staffing changes and the need to kind of

[25:35] spread ourselves. We have somebody else who's qualified to kind of review that

[25:39] as a check them balances to the consultants that we have. Okay now I

[25:42] totally I totally get it and I just wanted to make sure at least for my

[25:46] information that I understood what the difference was. Thank you. Thank you.

[25:49] Thank you. Any other comments or questions? Thank you for your proposal.

[25:53] It is a big ask, but you know what?

[25:58] It's a good problem to have because we have so much going on.

[26:02] We have so many developments that are coming in right now that it's needed,

[26:07] and it's a good problem for us to have, so thank you.

[26:11] Thank you.

[26:11] There's no other comments or questions.

[26:13] Clerk, please call the roll.

[26:15] Johnson.

[26:16] Aye.

[26:17] Richards.

[26:17] Aye.

[26:18] Osirio.

[26:18] Aye.

[26:19] Ottenheimer.

[26:20] Aye.

[26:20] Ochek.

[26:21] Aye.

[26:22] Thank you. We have no unfinished business. We'll move on to item 11, which is new business

[26:27] There's a pre-application discussion for Kenley residential development and

[26:34] Miss Woods is on her way

[26:38] Good evening.

[26:43] Good evening. Thank you

[26:44] And

[26:47] my homes is the contract purchaser of approximately 35 acres at

[26:51] 16 5 2 3 16 7 3 7 at the Kissick Road in unincorporated Lake County

[26:57] The proposed development called Kenley Subdivision will include 152 townhome units which will

[27:05] include a floor plan that will feature first floor primary bedroom as well as 37 single

[27:10] family homes.

[27:11] The proposed plan is drawing from the design principles of the link crossing development

[27:16] which is just north of this project and that will include various elements such

[27:21] as rear-loaded townhomes, bicycle and pedestrian connectivity, and a centralized open space.

[27:27] It aligns with existing, surrounding, and future land uses, zoning, and comprehensive

[27:31] plan concepts.

[27:33] At this time, the developer is requesting a zoning of R7 and is proposing a density

[27:37] of around 5.12 units per acre, similar to Waterbury Place.

[27:42] The plan features two access points along AptiKissick and as well as internal roads,

[27:46] thereby aligning with the village's future vision for corridor access.

[27:50] Keloa has reviewed the conceptual plan and it indicates the existing roadway can accommodate

[27:56] the traffic generated by this project and recommends a cross access via Margate Drive, which will

[28:01] continue to be evaluated as part of this project.

[28:04] The project will require annexation, a residential PUD, zoning map amendment, applied of subdivision,

[28:10] preliminary plan, and potential variations from the zoning and sign codes.

[28:15] The appropriate school districts and park district have been informed of this project

[28:18] as it continues to evolve and prior to the require public hearing the

[28:23] developers seeking comments from the village board and a referral to the

[28:27] planning zoning commission. Now I'd like to introduce Margaret Ganko, hopefully I

[28:32] didn't, all right I'm afraid I mispronounced the last time, who'll

[28:37] provide a brief overview of the project. Thank you.

[28:43] Good evening. Good evening.

[28:45] I'm Margaret Ganko. I'm an attorney with Saul Ewing LLP and we

[28:49] represent MI Homes. You may recall that we were before you on May 19th to present

[28:54] Highbury Club. We appreciate the opportunity to be back this evening and

[28:59] to introduce a new and exciting community that we're calling Kenley. We're

[29:05] excited to share our vision with you and look forward to your input as we

[29:08] move throughout the process.

[29:12] So as you may recall from our presentation on May

[29:15] 19th, MI Homes has been a trusted name in home building for nearly 50

[29:19] years having been founded in 1976. Over the past two decades, MI homes has also

[29:26] become an established presence in the Chicagoland market delivering

[29:31] thoughtfully designed communities tailored to the needs of today's

[29:34] homeowners. Their portfolio in this region includes a range of high-quality

[29:39] single-family homes and townhomes. The yellow stars shown on the screen

[29:45] represent new projects with the blue stars showing completed communities. Here

[29:51] you'll see here you'll see the Chicago Land Division team for MI Homes. I'm

[29:56] joined this evening by Anna Sutton who's the Manager of Land Entitled

[30:04] We're here to answer any questions that you may have.

[30:09] In light of the ongoing housing shortage in Lake County, we hope this presentation demonstrates

[30:14] how Kenley has been carefully planned to respond to the housing needs across Lake County. The

[30:19] community is designated, is designed to offer a diverse mix of housing options that accommodates

[30:24] households of various sizes, ages, income levels, and life stages.

[30:31] So here's a map showing the general location of Kenley here in Buffalo Grove.

[30:38] As shown on this slide, MI has developed or is in the process of developing several

[30:43] nearby communities.

[30:44] Kenley is conveniently located near two metro stations, Lake Cook Road and the Buffalo

[30:50] Grove Town Center, offering access to transit and local amenities.

[30:54] communities.

[30:56] This slide shows Kenley in relation to two other MI communities, towns at Barclay

[31:01] and Hibrary Club. So Kenley was designed with Buffalo Grove's 2050 vision in mind, featuring

[31:10] open green spaces, central gathering areas, and walkability throughout the community.

[31:16] So this slide shows an overview of the comprehensive plan for the broader area with

[31:20] our site highlighted just south of Aptakissic Road.

[31:26] Here we've zoomed in on the comprehensive

[31:27] plan as it relates to our site. The west portion is designated for attached single family homes

[31:33] in the east for detached single family homes. Kenley is designed to align with this vision

[31:40] with 152 townhomes planned for the west side and 37 single family homes planned for the east.

[31:48] So this map illustrates natural stormwater flow across the property, which as you can

[31:53] see moves southward.

[31:56] And MI Homes has carefully designated the detention of wetland areas to work seamlessly

[32:01] with the property's natural stormwater flow, creating an environmentally harmonious and

[32:06] functional landscape.

[32:08] The site features generous green spaces, including a half-acre open area centrally

[32:12] located in the northern section.

[32:19] The green highlighted on the attached slide represents the public street plan to connect

[32:24] southward to Margate.

[32:25] This connection aligns with the existing road stub located in the community to the south,

[32:31] which was originally intended during the development of that community to link to the subject

[32:37] property providing residents of the, of the, residents south of the site with convenient

[32:42] access through the development to Aptacistic Road.

[32:45] road. The road shown in red are private streets that will provide an east-west connection

[32:50] across the development. There is also an eight-foot multi-use path that continues through the

[32:56] site to the large open space to the south. To improve connectivity to that open space

[33:03] to the south, MI Homes is actively working with ComEd to create a walking path across

[33:08] the ComEd utility quarter, linking residents directly to this open space.

[33:15] This map

[33:16] map highlights gas parking areas in red, while 350 gas parking spaces are required.

[33:21] Kenley is designed to provide 416 spaces exceeding the requirement by 66 spots.

[33:29] So this image shows the front of one of the attached single-family units in the Expresso

[33:34] color palette.

[33:35] Additionally, the end units of most townhome buildings are age-targeted ranch-style homes,

[33:40] and this is an exclusive design crafted by MI homes specifically for Kenley.

[33:46] And here are rear and side elevations of the attached single family homes.

[33:50] And this is the attached single family in the iron gray palette.

[33:56] And here is floor plans.

[34:03] And here's the park and open space that's contemplated in between the town home units.

[34:11] For

[34:15] the single family portion of Kenley, MI Homes will offer five distinct models

[34:20] each with four to five elevation options and 10 to 15 color palettes.

[34:24] With this level of variety, monotony will not be an issue.

[34:28] The community is designed to reflect architectural diversity and maintain visual interest throughout.

[34:33] Here are the elevations and floor plans of the various single-family home-detached models.

[34:53] So here's the landscape plan, which highlights the abundant green space thoughtfully integrated

[34:57] throughout the community.

[34:58] From open lawns and gathering areas to walking paths and natural features, every element

[35:03] of Ken Lee has been designed to support a vibrant, connected and livable neighborhood

[35:07] that reflects Buffalo Grove's long-term vision. Thank you.

[35:14] Thank you for your presentation.

[35:20] Nicole, did you have anything else you wanted to add?

[35:25] No additional comments. Just would love to hear any comments and feedback from the

[35:29] Board as it is looking to be referred to the Planning and Zoning Commission.

[35:33] Thank you. Trustee Johnson.

[35:36] Thank you, Mr. President.

[35:38] I think this plan is great.

[35:40] It fits in very well with the existing community, having the single family budding up to existing

[35:46] single family homes.

[35:48] I especially like that you're including a ranch style, because we do hear from a lot

[35:54] of empty nesters that there's nowhere to move to and stay in within Buffalo Grove.

[35:59] So that's a great asset.

[36:00] There is one thing I do want to caution.

[36:03] And I think this is really more for the plan commission and staff.

[36:07] The continuation of Margate into Old Farm Village would mean opening up a road into a neighborhood

[36:15] that's been in existence for almost 40 years.

[36:20] And I think a lot of the original owners probably don't live there anymore and never

[36:25] knew that that was going to open up.

[36:27] I mean, they could probably assume it would at some point.

[36:29] right. So I know that there are other alternatives or we could have two cul-de-sacs butting up

[36:35] against each other. But I also think that we should really make a very concerted effort

[36:40] to talk to the residents that are affected, the people that already live on Margate, because

[36:45] they're used to having a debt on the street. And this is going to change traffic on

[36:51] their street greatly. And also perhaps people who live along Thompson as well. Because

[36:57] I think the worst thing would be if people suddenly realize, I live on a through street

[37:05] and I haven't, this is not what I thought I was buying or where I was going to live.

[37:10] So I'd rather have them feel informed and be a part of the decision than not be informed.

[37:16] And you know, if it's the best way to have it continue, then we should communicate that

[37:20] to our residents.

[37:21] But I hope the plan commission, I see we have Mr. Sponge here from the plan commission.

[37:26] And if you could just ask them to really spend some time

[37:30] analyzing this if it's truly necessary for it

[37:33] to be a through road or not.

[37:36] Otherwise, I love the plan.

[37:38] I think it's great.

[37:39] And welcome to Buffalo Growl.

[37:41] Thank you, Trustee Johnson.

[37:43] I'm just going to make one quick comment about that.

[37:46] Your point is well noted.

[37:47] And I do want to allude the fact in projects such as this.

[37:51] There is, in addition to the public hearing,

[37:53] the developer does sponsor a neighborhood public meeting to further gather feedback from the

[38:00] surrounding areas and neighbors. How do people find out about that? We encourage the, so there's

[38:08] two points of input for this neighborhood meeting. We encourage the developer to utilize the

[38:14] addresses and mail notices out prior to that meeting, which is a neighborhood meeting. I mean,

[38:21] And it's as the developer puts on in terms of their structure and format.

[38:26] And then of course the public hearing, then we'll follow afterwards.

[38:30] And it follows a similar format in that all property owners within 250 feet of the subject

[38:37] property get mailed per law.

[38:41] Yeah.

[38:42] I don't know if 250 feet is really going to be enough to get all of the data.

[38:48] We'll work with the developer in making sure that the residents that you're speaking of

[38:53] are included on the list.

[38:55] Yeah.

[38:56] And then, so along with me, perhaps sending a letter, but I mean maybe our communications

[39:00] department can also do some publicity on social media about these open, like, meetings

[39:06] that you're having with residents, because at least we can then fall back on, well,

[39:10] we had this, we asked for your opinion, but just to make sure that people are

[39:16] aware because this is going to be a big change for them.

[39:18] Good comments.

[39:19] We'll look to incorporate that.

[39:20] Thank you.

[39:21] Thank you.

[39:21] Trustee Johnson.

[39:22] Trustee Boček.

[39:25] Thank you, Mr. President.

[39:26] Real quick question.

[39:28] Probably, Nicole, this is for you.

[39:30] I don't know.

[39:31] I think this is just a typo, but I just want to make sure that all the documentation

[39:34] obviously is consistent.

[39:36] On the memo, I think that you had prepared.

[39:39] It has 37 single-family homes and 152 townhomes, but the backup documentation,

[39:45] Traffic Study and Concept Plan have 168,

[39:50] unless I'm misreading it.

[39:53] Is that due to?

[39:55] Go ahead.

[39:59] We had originally done a plan that had more units,

[40:03] and with working with the village,

[40:05] we decreased the density,

[40:07] and we just haven't updated the unit count.

[40:10] I like that answer.

[40:12] Thank you.

[40:13] And thank you so very much.

[40:15] I saw the tagline at the bottom of the floor plans

[40:18] that talk about all the different color palettes that are available with those options. I think

[40:24] that's great, again, to prevent monotony codes. I think my last question is regarding sign

[40:33] codes. What variants would you need from the sign code perspective?

[40:38] I don't believe we've done a full analysis of all the variations that could be needed.

[40:43] Usually we wait a little bit to further along. At this point we're just so focused

[40:48] just in on that the main concept.

[40:51] I assume there'll probably be some ground signage

[40:53] that they'll be looking at,

[40:55] but we don't know the specifics of that yet,

[40:57] but that will be forthcoming.

[40:58] Awesome.

[40:59] Love it, love the open space, love it,

[41:01] so no issues with me, thank you.

[41:04] Thank you, Trustee Boček.

[41:06] Trustee Weinfeld.

[41:08] Thank you, Mr. President.

[41:09] Couple of things first.

[41:11] I wanna tag on to what Trustee Johnson said

[41:13] because the last time we had a development proposed

[41:16] for only a portion of this where Margate was a major feeder that actually never

[41:23] went anywhere because the objections were significant enough not to do it. I

[41:27] understand that not all the traffic without Margate but planning and zoning

[41:31] needs to do a pretty thorough job of finding out what the percentages of

[41:35] traffic that's going to go that way versus the other way. So from my

[41:39] perspective and I think from people in the area it's going to need to be a

[41:43] significantly smaller number than the prior project

[41:46] would have emptied on the market.

[41:47] So that's kind of,

[41:48] but that's for planning zoning, sort of.

[41:50] My bigger issue is how in the world

[41:51] anybody's gonna make a left turn on the aptochistic road

[41:54] without being killed.

[41:56] The speed limit on BG roads, 40 normally means 50,

[42:00] try to make a left turn off of Brandywine,

[42:02] take your life in your hands,

[42:03] which is why people go east on Brandywine,

[42:05] south on Prairie,

[42:07] and then east, west on Aptochistic is a way to do it.

[42:11] But in this case, there's no way to do that.

[42:14] And I understand that Lake County is sort of the problem here, in that they are the

[42:19] obstacle to putting in some kind of traffic control device there.

[42:23] But in all the traffic studies that are done in the planning and zoning, it takes

[42:27] a look at, I want an understanding of how safe that's going to be.

[42:31] Because Haptikissie is more about, I see the light ahead getting westbound, I accelerate

[42:36] to warp factor two in order to make that light at BG Road.

[42:40] The third, which sounds like not as huge a problem, especially since you folks have made

[42:45] it a smaller proposal, is the impact on 102 where the taxpayers in that district have already

[42:50] been smoked a couple of times in the last couple of years, and I don't want to contribute

[42:54] to the pain and suffering there any more than would otherwise be the case.

[42:58] If this is something that's actually projected to be smaller, judging by who people think

[43:03] is going to live there and how we're going to do it, and those numbers are reasonable,

[43:07] that's one thing.

[43:08] But again, I would like that to be investigated at planning and zoning simply so that they

[43:12] look at that and say, what's the analysis here?

[43:14] Not, you can't do this, but I want to understand what it is before we go send another tax increase

[43:20] to folks over in 102.

[43:22] Thank you.

[43:23] Thank you, Trustee Weinfeldt, Trustee Caesarea.

[43:27] Thank you.

[43:30] Just so you've heard it from everybody, right, my number 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 issues

[43:34] are site access and throughput, right?

[43:37] I just want to understand how people are supposed to navigate in this site.

[43:41] With that said, it's a visually attractive plan.

[43:44] I really like how you embrace the green space and did it in a tough spot, right?

[43:50] You've got Comet, Cell Tower, and you've done it, I think, in a smart way that keeps

[43:54] the trails going around.

[43:56] It has the sidewalk access.

[43:57] There's a lot of stuff to like there and a lot of green, what, 30% almost.

[44:01] So all of those things make me excited to see how this goes through the Planning

[44:05] Planning Zone and Commission. I think visually it's appealing. I like having a variety of

[44:11] floor plans. So all of those things are virtuous. The challenge of this site is access and throughput.

[44:19] That's, I would assert probably the reason it hasn't developed yet. So I wish you well

[44:25] and I wish the Planning Zone and Commission well in review.

[44:27] Thank you.

[44:29] Thank you, Trustee Cisario, Trustee Ottenheimer.

[44:33] Thank you, Mr. President.

[44:35] Trustee Weidenfeldt, I had three things, three questions.

[44:38] Trustee Weidenfeldt took care of two of them,

[44:39] the Apothecistic Road in 102.

[44:42] What kind of price points are we talking about?

[44:49] Yeah, so the detached is $850,000 to $900,000,

[44:54] and then the attached is $550,000 to $600,000.

[44:57] But those are still numbers that we're kind of playing with.

[44:58] Thank you very much for your time.

[45:00] Okay, I think that's higher than I would have imagined for the detached homes, but you know what the market will bear and we'll see. Thank you.

[45:11] Thank you, Trustee Richards.

[45:14] Thank you. I guess batting cleanup. Thank you, Mr. President. I won't ask you about access, but what I will ask you to do a little bit more of exploration,

[45:26] because you will be asked several times about this,

[45:29] is about the impact of the schools.

[45:31] I know you've mentioned in the presentation

[45:34] that you've reached out, or I'm sorry,

[45:37] communicated out to the schools.

[45:38] I'm sure they have not responded back,

[45:40] and I'm sure that Commissioner Moody

[45:43] will ask you very directly how many students

[45:45] are we expecting at 102, how many expected at Stevenson,

[45:49] and I think we need to have good numbers

[45:51] because this is an amazing community.

[45:54] It's exciting to build in that area and the schools, they'll tell us that they're already

[46:02] at capacity so we'll want to make sure we're ahead of that tension long before it gets to

[46:07] be a challenge.

[46:10] I'm just going to follow up on that point.

[46:12] So our normal process is that we village staff, let the school districts know about

[46:17] this way before it even comes to this point so they have been actually involved when

[46:23] And it was just really kind of funny to say concept on paper because it's still a concept

[46:27] on paper.

[46:28] But well before, and they've been up to date as this has moved forward.

[46:33] And we will continue to work with them and share with them everything, including the impact

[46:40] study as well as the project as it progresses as well.

[46:43] Perfect.

[46:43] Thank you.

[46:44] Yes.

[46:46] Thank you.

[46:46] Any other questions?

[46:49] Anything else?

[46:51] Nicole?

[46:52] That's it.

[46:53] Thank you.

[46:54] Okay.

[46:55] Thank you for your interest in Buffalo Grove.

[46:57] We love all the development happening here, so thank you.

[47:01] I will entertain a motion to submit this proposal

[47:08] to the Planning Commission.

[47:10] Thank you.

[47:11] It's all made.

[47:11] Thank you, Mr. President.

[47:13] I move to refer the proposed Kenley residential development

[47:17] at 1-6-523-16737 Epticus Road to the Planning

[47:22] and Zoning Commission and nothing further.

[47:26] Second.

[47:27] We'll have a motion and a second.

[47:28] Thank you, Trustee Ottenheimer.

[47:30] Any discussion?

[47:32] Clerk, please call the roll.

[47:34] Johnson?

[47:34] Aye.

[47:35] Richards?

[47:36] Aye.

[47:36] Serio?

[47:37] Aye.

[47:37] Ottenheimer?

[47:38] Aye.

[47:38] Oček?

[47:39] Aye.

[47:39] Weinfeld?

[47:40] Aye.

[47:40] Motion carried.

[47:41] Thank you.

[47:42] You'll be moving on to the Planning Commission

[47:44] and we look forward to seeing you back here.

[47:48] Thank you.

[47:50] Okay, new business item B is a pre-application discussion for Riverwalk Apartments Development

[47:56] at Zero Riverwalk Drive and welcome Ms. Purvis.

[48:03] Thank you very much, President Smith.

[48:05] Welcome.

[48:06] All right, good evening.

[48:08] So next up on the agenda, we have SFP properties.

[48:12] They're the contract purchaser of approximately 2.8 acres of land located at Zero Riverwalk

[48:17] Drive that's just west of the Riverwalk Place Apartments. The site is in the

[48:22] mixed-use planned development and zoning district and is also part of the

[48:25] Riverwalk North PUD which was approved in 2003. This 15 acre PUD was intended to

[48:32] include a six-story hotel on the subject property as well as an eight

[48:36] story office building and a four story parking structure to the south and a

[48:39] six-story residential development to the east. Riverwalk Place Apartments

[48:43] just east of the subject property is the only part of that PUD that

[48:47] actually ended up getting constructed.

[48:49] SFP Properties is proposing to construct

[48:51] a four-story 64-unit apartment building

[48:53] on the subject property.

[48:55] The unit mix will consist of 26 one-bedroom units,

[48:58] 34 two-bedroom units, and just four three-bedroom units.

[49:02] The development would have a density of 22.93 units per acre,

[49:05] which is comparable to other multifamily developments

[49:08] in the village.

[49:09] The 2009 Comprehensive Plan calls for the site

[49:12] to be a commercial use.

[49:13] However, more recent discussions related

[49:15] to the 2050 Comprehensive Plan do recommend that the mixed use designation, which includes

[49:20] commercial, office, residential, civic, and public uses, be retained.

[49:25] The proposed project provides an appropriate transition between the commercial uses on

[49:29] Milwaukee Avenue and the six-story Riverwalk Apartments to the east.

[49:33] The development will share the two access drives that are already in place for the

[49:37] Riverwalk Place Apartments.

[49:39] In addition, the sidewalk networks for the two developments will also be connected

[49:43] and ultimately that will provide access to the Displanes River Trail. That's just off to the east.

[49:49] The development would include 106 parking stalls, 12 of which would be enclosed in single car

[49:54] garages on the ground floor of the building. This is just that shy of the zoning requirement

[49:58] of 109 parking stalls and will require a zoning variation. The stormwater detention was

[50:04] contemplated as part of the original Riverwalk North development. However, the stormwater

[50:08] ordinance has changed over the years, so our engineering team will be working with

[50:12] the developer to ensure that they do meet the current stormwater requirements.

[50:16] Staff has reached out to both District 102 and 125 to inform them of this potential development

[50:21] and the park district has also been notified as well.

[50:26] In order for this project to proceed an amendment to the Riverwalk North annexation agreement

[50:29] and planned unit development along with the preliminary plan approval as well as

[50:33] zoning variations would be needed, the developer seeking comments from the Village Board

[50:37] tonight and referral to the Planning and Zoning Commission.

[50:40] I would like to introduce David Schwartz.

[50:43] He is here from SFP Properties to provide an overview of his plan.

[50:49] Thank you, Kelly.

[50:53] Oh, yeah.

[50:54] I did.

[50:59] Hey.

[50:59] Thanks, Kelly.

[51:00] And thank you guys for hearing it.

[51:02] Good evening.

[51:03] You know, as I'm sure you guys know, this parcel has been vacant for quite a while.

[51:07] And it actually came to us through a landscape designer that we had worked with potentially

[51:13] on another project.

[51:14] And he said, I think you guys could be a good fit for this.

[51:16] And he had a relationship with the owner

[51:17] and had been working through some different concepts.

[51:20] And we originally looked at it for townhomes.

[51:23] And we're informed, yeah, we really

[51:25] sort of want to cut down on three-bedroom units, cut

[51:27] down on the impact on the school system.

[51:29] So we looked for alternative potential uses

[51:33] because we love the site so much.

[51:36] Just its general location, its access to the river

[51:38] walk really sort of flows in very nicely

[51:41] to the Displains River Trail.

[51:42] and, of course, all the sort of area amenities, restaurants,

[51:45] unbelievably great access via Lake Hook Road.

[51:48] So we kind of workshopped a bunch of different things

[51:51] and came up with this concept, which

[51:52] is a single 64-unit building, sort of what

[51:55] they're calling a tuck under building these days.

[51:57] So you've got a few, some garage parking

[51:59] on about half the first floor, and then primarily

[52:01] surface parking after that.

[52:03] We sort of designed it with a kind of little central

[52:05] esplanade, and parking's sort of circulating around that.

[52:09] We've got exterior electric vehicle charging stations.

[52:13] And to the west of the building, there's kind of planned

[52:16] an amenity lawn sort of lounge area.

[52:19] Hasn't been completely programmed yet,

[52:21] but it will be some sort of usable community outdoor space.

[52:26] So architecturally just try to be consistent

[52:28] with what you'll see commonly in the area

[52:31] for sort of a four-story, you know,

[52:32] combination masonry, fiber cement panel.

[52:35] We're still kind of working through.

[52:36] It can, it's not a final draft of this,

[52:38] but we think we'll come up with something nice

[52:41] that fits in, we try to pick up off the color schemes

[52:44] of the existing river walk apartments that are there.

[52:48] Just sort of typical floor plans,

[52:49] it's really a unit mix of mostly a lot of one bedroom,

[52:53] over 50% one bedrooms and one bedroom plus 10,

[52:57] and then you've got a fair amount of two bedrooms

[52:59] and just a handful of threes.

[53:00] So designed for sort of young professionals

[53:02] kind of moving into the area,

[53:04] and then maybe some downsizing empty nesters as well.

[53:08] elevator building, so you have an opportunity to get a two or three bedroom in single level

[53:13] living without stairs.

[53:17] The elevations, drawn more broadly, and then where SFB properties has been developing through

[53:25] the years, did a lot of stuff in Buffalo Grove years and years ago, including Donovan's

[53:29] Glen and Indian Creek and Devonshire, a bunch of other subdivisions, but more recently

[53:33] we've been doing attached single family rental projects, recently completed in Highland

[53:37] Park, Mal Prospect, finishing up right now in Northbrook as well, and about to

[53:42] start in Arlington Heights in a couple months.

[53:46] Whoops, went the wrong way.

[53:50] I did want to just float this back out there, the

[53:53] original kind of townhome plan that we did look at. You know, as we've gone

[53:58] further and further into our due diligence and received a market

[54:01] study from Tracy Cross and Associates, the rents we were going to be able to

[54:05] achieve are making the deal pretty difficult to pencil.

[54:09] So we're sort of going back and saying this is the concept

[54:11] we put together and we submitted to staff

[54:13] and we've worked with staff on,

[54:14] but we're not sure that we can go ahead with it.

[54:17] So I just wanted to get possibly some feedback

[54:19] from you guys in terms of A,

[54:21] either increasing the density on an apartment style

[54:23] sort of four story building,

[54:24] adding maybe another building and some covered parkings,

[54:27] figuring out a way to increase the density there

[54:29] and making it pencil in that fashion,

[54:31] or reconsidering potentially a town home project

[54:35] that would be primarily three bedroom units,

[54:38] but with lots of stairs, three story, three bedroom.

[54:41] So I don't want to throw too much at you,

[54:42] but just in all honesty, you guys can tell me

[54:47] you love this project that we proposed

[54:48] the 64 unit single story four,

[54:50] and we're probably going to not do it.

[54:53] I'm not to spring this on staff as well,

[54:55] this is pretty new that we got the market study back.

[55:03] Yeah, well, I apologize if it's too much, but I just wanted to be honest and candid and get as much feedback as we could.

[55:11] Okay, well, did you have anything else you wanted to add?

[55:16] No, that's it.

[55:19] Okay, well, we'll go through some questions here and see where we end up.

[55:23] Trustee Johnson.

[55:25] Thank you, Mr. President.

[55:27] In light of your presentation, I do not feel comfortable referring this to Plan Commission

[55:35] tonight.

[55:36] I would say it needs to go back to staff for analysis.

[55:40] It's hard for us to just get something popped up on the screen that's completely different

[55:45] than what we've been reading about.

[55:47] Yeah.

[55:47] No, no.

[55:48] I mean, honestly, you should probably give feedback for that and then we'll make our

[55:52] own decision.

[55:52] understanding that if we're going to do anything but this we would go back to

[55:58] staff but if we could get a read on this concept just so you know we've all put

[56:03] the work into it and you know maybe we can rework something with the seller and

[56:06] come to something that we can make it work since you have reviewed this you

[56:11] know if you want to give us feedback that you previously thought that's

[56:13] still useful so you want the board's feedback on the apartment proposal

[56:18] Yeah, and no feedback on the townhome idea

[56:24] We're not we're not going to give any feedback on the townhome. Yeah, that's what I'm concerned about because we have we have no facts

[56:30] Nothing to support anything fair enough. Okay. Yeah, I apologize. We're

[56:36] We we received the packet staff put a lot of work into the packet which is for these for this proposal

[56:43] For this apartment complex. Yeah, that's that's all we're going to discuss

[56:48] Fair enough.

[56:49] I think you have anything else, Trustee Johnson?

[56:55] Well, I like the apartment building situated where it is.

[56:59] I think it's for the target audience

[57:03] that you're looking to appeal to.

[57:05] You've got great access to the expressway,

[57:07] shopping, restaurants.

[57:09] So I think it's a good fit.

[57:14] I am a little concerned about the parking,

[57:16] to be honest with you because you know one person has a party and you're already short

[57:22] of parking so that would be one thing I'd want the plan commissioned to look at but

[57:28] you know other than that I'm fine with the plan.

[57:32] Thank you trustee Waddenfield.

[57:34] Thank you Mr. President I'm going to try this so yeah in terms of townhouses I got nothing

[57:39] to say because there's nothing there in terms of the apartments there's a couple

[57:43] things as I harp on this if you were here you heard me the last time I'm

[57:48] curious how you think or maybe for the plant commission if we were first how

[57:53] someone's gonna make a left turn on the Milwaukee Avenue because about the kiss

[57:56] it gets bad news Milwaukee is worse that doesn't mean it can't be done but I

[58:00] think it creates sort of if there's a traffic light there great stuff there

[58:04] is there is then you do that okay the apartments are okay but I want to

[58:08] make sure I understand that I'm not gonna have I'll be a little blunter

[58:13] than the village president.

[58:15] I don't send staff through and the planning commission

[58:18] through this only so that they can find out

[58:20] that that's not what you're gonna do anyway.

[58:22] Yeah, no, that was, I got a little bit ahead of myself.

[58:26] We're doing some internal discussions

[58:28] and I shouldn't have shared it at this time.

[58:31] My only concern is that we can send it

[58:33] to the plan commission, which I don't have

[58:35] a problem doing, but I truly appreciate

[58:38] if your internal discussions say,

[58:40] Hey, guess what, this is the wrong one,

[58:43] that you pull a plug before they even have a session on it.

[58:45] 100%.

[58:46] Yeah, we're gonna do that for,

[58:48] it's to our own advantage to do that too.

[58:50] We're not gonna go through that process

[58:51] and spend the additional money.

[58:52] We're gonna have to spend to get all the materials

[58:54] together for the planning commission

[58:55] if we're not prepared to follow through on the DOA.

[58:57] I'm not trying to sound negative about this.

[58:59] I just don't wanna,

[59:00] we're gonna load up with some heavy duty

[59:01] lifting as it is.

[59:03] Lastly, I wanna do is have them do any of it

[59:06] for something that is like DOA.

[59:09] I agree.

[59:09] Okay.

[59:10] Thanks.

[59:10] Thank you.

[59:11] Trustee Bochak.

[59:14] Just a couple of quick questions.

[59:16] I mean, I appreciate the fact that the apartments give us product types, home types for young

[59:21] professionals and empty nesters, which is something that we definitely need.

[59:26] What do you think the price point is for rent on these units?

[59:29] So, you know, sort of between around 2000 to up to 4000 for the larger three bedrooms.

[59:37] So it's sort of the, you know, the broad, you know, about $2.50, $2.60 a foot, across the board generally.

[59:47] So it's a little bit, it was designed to be a little bit below the price point of something like the clove.

[59:52] You know what I mean, which is a full sort of more of a mid-rise building, it's a more expensive type of construction.

[59:57] So we're hoping to be in below them.

[1:00:00] Yeah.

[1:00:00] Before we get to other questions, just because she hit on a point, Trustee Bochuk hit on a point

[1:00:07] about the price point, and you mentioned that that was the reason you were looking to transition

[1:00:14] to something else. Why is that?

[1:00:17] I mean, just in all candor, you know, we recently, you know, we commissioned a report

[1:00:20] from Tracy Cross and Associates, which we do on most of our projects. And the report

[1:00:25] came back with rents that were cheaper, less expensive than what we had thought they were

[1:00:32] going to be at.

[1:00:34] Less than the 2,000 to 4,000?

[1:00:37] No, well a little bit less, on the lower side of that, so about 25, 30 cents a foot

[1:00:44] less than what we had thought they were going to turn out to be, which made a very

[1:00:50] significant impact on the bottom line of the project with construction costs and

[1:00:55] everything else got you trust the honor thank you mr. president I appreciate

[1:01:01] your candor and your honesty but in light of the fact that we don't have a full

[1:01:06] development before us I'm against even sending this to the plan commission until

[1:01:10] we know what we have to deal with our staff works very hard our plan

[1:01:14] commission works very hard is very diligent but we don't want to piece

[1:01:17] know this number one and what you may do on this plan may not comport with

[1:01:22] of another plan, depending on what you may do.

[1:01:25] So I appreciate it, but I'm against

[1:01:28] referring it to the commission at this time.

[1:01:31] Thank you, Trustee Atnamer.

[1:01:33] Trustee Cesario.

[1:01:34] Thank you.

[1:01:36] I'm gonna go at this a little bit differently.

[1:01:38] I'm trying to view the site and what works there.

[1:01:41] And I think the building concept works there

[1:01:45] better than singles, right?

[1:01:48] Because if you look at what's around it, that fits.

[1:01:50] Yeah, and honestly was you know, so a lot of the feedback from staff initially was that the site was a little too crowded and everything too

[1:01:57] Much surface area impervious area, so we agree with that. We're just trying to find a way to make it work

[1:02:02] Honestly, we love that we love the property. We think it needs to be developed. We think great development will go there

[1:02:08] We're just trying to square the circle

[1:02:10] Getting some of the pencil, you know and access to that path is just an absolutely monstrous advantage, right?

[1:02:16] So I do enjoy that you have single-floor living, the older I get, the more I appreciate single-floor living.

[1:02:24] And I think we as a community need more of that.

[1:02:27] So when I look at this, I get excited about the concept of single-floor living with access to the path,

[1:02:33] with good access to street access, because Riverwalk is already a thriving office building and we do different things.

[1:02:39] And an apartment building.

[1:02:40] Right.

[1:02:41] You know, the F, right.

[1:02:42] So, I mean, there's a lot of stuff there to kind of feed into and match up to.

[1:02:47] And so you describe that.

[1:02:48] I say, yeah, that's a good use for that site.

[1:02:51] So that kind of feedback I think you're looking for.

[1:02:54] I will say that I have become more comfortable with a little less parking in this kind

[1:02:59] of product because it emphasizes the one-bedroom, certainly the two.

[1:03:03] With that said, I think the point is well made that, you know, any extras to accommodate events is a win.

[1:03:11] It's something important that the Planning and Zoning Commission would look at.

[1:03:14] But just as a starting point, I am comfortable looking at communities where this type of product exists and seeing what the utilization is.

[1:03:22] Because I appreciate that our code, right, is average, one size fits all.

[1:03:27] Well, this is not that, and I'll mention a variance request of three spaces is not exactly

[1:03:32] breaking the bank.

[1:03:33] So there's a lot of stuff to like here.

[1:03:36] So again, there's a lot of stuff to like in this plan, and I'm hopeful to look forward

[1:03:40] to seeing it presented.

[1:03:41] Thank you.

[1:03:43] Thank you, Trustee Cesario.

[1:03:45] Trustee Johnson.

[1:03:47] Sorry, me again.

[1:03:49] So I want to reiterate that I do think this plan does fit in well in this area,

[1:03:54] Yeah, but you said something that kind of triggered me thinking.

[1:03:59] You said that it's cheaper construction than the clove.

[1:04:04] So is it because it's less amenitized?

[1:04:07] Yeah, because it's not a fully part.

[1:04:10] There's not a platform where there's 100% sort of parking on the first floor,

[1:04:14] parking slash retail.

[1:04:15] So it's more like a three-story garden style.

[1:04:18] It's four stories, and so you can do it in four stories,

[1:04:21] and you have some into your parking,

[1:04:23] but it's 100% wood construction from a structural standpoint.

[1:04:30] As opposed to if you do a full sort of parking deck,

[1:04:33] then you have precast concrete and it adds a lot of costs.

[1:04:37] Or if you go up more than four stories,

[1:04:39] then you go to either steel or masonry

[1:04:42] and it adds a lot of cost.

[1:04:44] So we tried to come up with a design

[1:04:46] that we could keep our costs down

[1:04:48] while getting sort of the maximum density

[1:04:51] that we could try to accommodate on the site.

[1:04:54] So that's why we have the outdoor parking lot

[1:04:56] instead of a garage.

[1:04:58] And then as far as amenities,

[1:05:00] because I know that's very important

[1:05:02] to people who rent these days,

[1:05:04] is the only amenity the fitness center?

[1:05:08] A fitness center and a little lounge

[1:05:10] and then some outdoor space.

[1:05:11] But that'll have like fire pits

[1:05:12] and maybe like a botchy ball court,

[1:05:14] a little dog run, that sort of stuff.

[1:05:16] Maybe a little playground.

[1:05:17] Okay, but nothing major, but you know primarily it's it's not a heavily amenitized building

[1:05:24] There's no pool or anything right right so that would then

[1:05:29] Call for slightly lower rent

[1:05:31] And that's the situation

[1:05:34] Outdoor parking right yeah, yeah, okay. Thank you

[1:05:39] Okay, well you kind of threw us a curve. Yeah, I apologize for that. I really really should have held that back

[1:05:53] I'm not going to speak for everybody on what their decision is going to be, but my guess

[1:05:57] is they're going to want to go back to staff with this and not go directly to the Planning

[1:06:02] Commission.

[1:06:02] You have to work out your issues and see exactly what you're going to bring to us.

[1:06:08] You don't sound confident.

[1:06:10] If we decide to bring this plan, we may not bring anything, but if we were going to bring

[1:06:20] an alternative plan, we would come back before you here.

[1:06:24] But I guess I would ask just so we're here and we get some utility out of the meeting

[1:06:29] that we evaluate this plan.

[1:06:32] And then if we were going to come with an alternative, we'd have to come back to

[1:06:34] it.

[1:06:37] Yeah, I don't think that's gonna it it's not gonna it's not gonna fly I'll

[1:06:48] let you

[1:06:48] know we'll let the motion has been called we'll vote on it but my guess is

[1:06:54] it's well we'll see oh I understand we'll make the decision and then we'll

[1:06:59] clarify that if we were to bring this plan to the plan Commission we would be

[1:07:03] bringing this plan to the plan commission with the intent of going

[1:07:05] ahead with it we're not gonna go to the plan Commission if we're not we

[1:07:09] We're gonna work out our thing internally

[1:07:11] before we actually go to the plan commission.

[1:07:12] It's gonna cost us tens of thousands of dollars

[1:07:15] to put together the additional material

[1:07:16] we're gonna need for the plan commission hearing.

[1:07:18] We're only gonna do that if we've come

[1:07:20] to our own conclusions.

[1:07:21] Maybe we renegotiate with the seller

[1:07:23] or something else to get the deal to pencil.

[1:07:25] We're not gonna go through the plan commission

[1:07:26] and then decide not,

[1:07:27] and waste everybody's time.

[1:07:28] Okay, but we, it's not an effective use of our staff

[1:07:33] and our commission for a hypothetical at this point.

[1:07:38] If it's going to go through as is, and you want it to be, you affirm that this is the plan,

[1:07:45] you'll just have to come in here again and present it.

[1:07:50] You know, and if you have another plan that you want to work, that you want us to refer,

[1:07:56] you'll come back for that as well.

[1:07:58] Okay.

[1:07:59] So you figure it out on your end.

[1:08:03] Do we want to call the motion?

[1:08:05] We do currently I don't believe we have a motion there is not there is no motion. I'd like to make a motion

[1:08:12] Did you want us to vote on this to see if it'll go through or do you just want to pull it and bring it back to staff?

[1:08:19] Actually, I would like a vote because there is a chance that we say, you know what we've worked it out

[1:08:25] We've sharpened our pencils. We think we can get this plan to pencil and then we want to go ahead to the planning commission

[1:08:30] Okay, we were able to get that vote. I would take it

[1:08:32] Okay. Is there anybody that would like to make the motion to refer this to the Planning Commission?

[1:08:39] I'll make the motion. I move that we refer to the Planning Commission.

[1:08:43] Okay. We have a motion. Is there a second on that motion?

[1:08:46] The purpose of doing the vote, I'll second.

[1:08:48] Okay. We have a motion and a second. Is there anybody that would like to speak on this discussion?

[1:08:53] Any discussion? Trustee Boček?

[1:08:57] Microphone, please.

[1:08:59] I completely respect what you're saying. We definitely don't want to waste anybody's time.

[1:09:03] Is it possible for us to vote to pass it on to the plan Commission and give him till Friday

[1:09:09] to tell us if he's going to introduce a new plan that way nobody's done any work and

[1:09:14] We have the approval at hand to proceed or are you uncomfortable with that?

[1:09:18] I mean we have our

[1:09:23] Friday's well, I if I can speak briefly

[1:09:28] You know, as a board, you've been presented with a packet of materials that include a development

[1:09:33] proposal, which also includes certain things like traffic analysis and bedroom analysis and

[1:09:38] access analysis and things like that that obviously have to be vetted more.

[1:09:42] But the concern that I have is that if you decided to pursue an alternate plan, all

[1:09:47] of those things change.

[1:09:48] And I don't want to necessarily put our staff or our Planning and Zoning Commission

[1:09:53] in a position of reviewing material that you as a board

[1:09:59] have not even seen or understood yet.

[1:10:01] So I understand the situation you're in,

[1:10:06] but I also don't really understand

[1:10:08] what is being asked of the board to do.

[1:10:10] And frankly, I don't believe that this project is right

[1:10:12] for planning his owning consideration at this time.

[1:10:15] Thank you.

[1:10:16] Thank you.

[1:10:17] Okay, anybody else wanna be heard on this issue?

[1:10:21] We have a motion and we have a second clerk, please call the roll and the motion is to send this on yes or no

[1:10:28] Do we send this on to the plan commission?

[1:10:32] Johnson no

[1:10:34] Richards no

[1:10:36] Cicero no no

[1:10:42] Ocheck,

[1:10:45] no I

[1:10:48] Know no, thank you guys and I thought I didn't mean to spring that on you. Honestly. That's in retrospect

[1:10:53] in retrospect, I should have just kept that internally

[1:10:54] because it's the same evaluation.

[1:10:57] Like you could have approved this

[1:10:58] and we could have just decided to not move forward with it.

[1:11:01] We'd be in the exact same place.

[1:11:02] Or if we were gonna do something else,

[1:11:04] we'd still be coming back.

[1:11:06] Anyway, I apologize for springing that on you guys.

[1:11:09] And I thank you guys for the thoughtful consideration.

[1:11:11] Thank you.

[1:11:13] Okay, we'll move on then.

[1:11:16] To public comment.

[1:11:19] Public comment is limited to items

[1:11:21] that are not on the regular agenda.

[1:11:23] anybody from the public like to be heard this evening.

[1:11:28] Seeing none we will have an executive

[1:11:31] session tonight and the purpose of the executive session is section 2C11 of the Illinois Open

[1:11:39] Meetings Act litigation when an action against affecting or on behalf of the public body.

[1:11:47] I will entertain a motion to move into executive session. So moved. Second. We have a motion

[1:11:53] in a second. Discussion? Clerk, please call the roll.

[1:11:57] Pansum? Aye. Richards? Aye.

[1:12:00] Cicero? Aye.

[1:12:01] Attenheimer? Aye. Ocek? Aye.

[1:12:03] Weidenfeld? Aye. Motion carried.

[1:12:06] Thank you. We are moving into executive session at this time.

[1:12:10] We will not be coming back for business, and it is 8.07 p.m.

[1:12:16] Thank you.

Village Board Regular Meeting

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