[1:18] We'd like to welcome everybody to tonight's meeting of the Burbank Police Commission. We would like to start with the pledge of allegiance and James, we'd like to lead us.

[1:28] for that. Let's do the call order. Roll call first.

[1:35] Commissioner Chapman. Here.

[1:38] Commissioner Coup. Present.

[1:40] Commissioner Alman. Oh, chair, Alman.

[1:44] I'll respond. Here.

[1:47] Commissioner Hockopian. Present.

[1:50] Commissioner Hartunian.

[1:52] Is out today.

[1:55] Commissioner McKenna.

[1:56] Present. Commissioner Wenzel.

[2:02] Okay, we can all rise now for the pleasure of allegiance.

[2:04] and James Lee, if you will lead us, please.

[2:31] Public comment will begin shortly and for members here present, which I do not see any.

[2:40] You can fill out a card, either wider yellow and handed to the staff, please.

[2:45] In person speakers will speak first and have up to three minutes to speak.

[2:51] For those wishing to call in, please call 818-238-3335.

[3:00] I will repeat that. 818-238-3335.

[3:07] Colors will be placed in a queue and will speak after all the in-person comments have been received.

[3:14] I think that will move all into the commission announcements and reporting out of commissioners and

[3:23] Romic, would you like to start first?

[3:25] Thank you, Chairman.

[3:28] So on today, I had the honor of joining fellow colleagues and the Police Department at the Police

[3:35] Awards at the Marriott today.

[3:37] A lot of wonderful deserving officers.

[3:39] And we've done a faculty congratulation again for offshore the year, and the wonderful day today.

[3:45] So September 11, my attended the 9-11 ceremony in front of the police department, and it was a great ceremony put on by the police department and the fire department, and all things considered, it was a great event.

[3:58] That's

[4:01] it.

[4:07] Mary and I all, we all, and I will met with the Burbank University, you know, USC

[4:14] superintendent, which was a very informative, very cooperative meeting.

[4:19] I really see an in-road to getting officers back in the schools and getting our students

[4:26] more familiar with our police department.

[4:28] I also attended the 9-11 ceremony and the police foundation awards today, but on a personal

[4:36] I want to extend a lot of an apology to our chief police.

[4:40] I retire from a business where nothing is more important than integrity.

[4:44] And I do not believe because of your position that you should be.

[4:48] People should have the freedom to attack your integrity without.

[4:54] Without evidence and without recourse.

[4:56] and as a department as a 25-year-old.

[5:00] Member of the Government community, I'm sorry, the fact that it constantly is happening, it's embarrassing.

[5:04] And I thank you and Lieutenant for your transparency.

[5:08] If anybody's paying attention, there's nothing hidden.

[5:10] Thank you.

[5:17] I did to attend the 9-11 at 6.30 in the morning.

[5:24] And it was a perfect setting with the memorial in front of headquarters,

[5:30] and the police fire did a great job.

[5:31] I also got to attend the lunch and today and was just delighted to see the awards going out to our heroes and to all our police department.

[5:43] They do a great job.

[5:47] You're turned.

[5:49] James?

[5:50] No updates for me.

[5:53] I also attended the 9-Eleven ceremony.

[5:56] Kudos to the peace and fire department for the program they put on.

[6:01] And I was very impressed with the community turnout for this year's events.

[6:05] I think it was the biggest turnout I've seen in a few years.

[6:13] Have we received any cards for public comment?

[6:15] No.

[6:18] So I guess we have no public comments.

[6:20] I don't think we will have any response to

[6:26] anybody on the line.

[6:31] No colors.

[6:35] I guess we have no response to public comment.

[6:38] So, we'll move on to the on the agenda.

[6:43] Next, we'll be a report on the Ripper Report presentation.

[6:49] For the approval of Matt?

[6:51] Oh, yeah. Thank you.

[6:56] Do we have a roll call for the approval of the minutes, please?

[6:59] I'll make a motion number.

[7:00] I'll second.

[7:02] Okay.

[7:03] Paul seconds, sir.

[7:06] If we wanted to make a correction, at what point do we do that?

[7:12] At the second.

[7:13] I'll just go.

[7:17] Can't you welcome?

[7:19] Do you have a comment for the minutes?

[7:21] Did you want to make a comment?

[7:22] We have a person in the second.

[7:24] That's for us.

[7:25] Okay.

[7:25] So we're in good shape.

[7:27] I just wanted to make sure under the response to public comments,

[7:31] I did mention that I had concerns about data control.

[7:37] audit and privacy, and I'd just like to include that into the minutes.

[7:45] From August 19th?

[7:47] Like, from August 19th?

[7:49] From the last meeting.

[7:50] From the last meeting.

[7:52] Yeah.

[7:53] I'll speak to you.

[7:55] Good.

[7:55] Thank you.

[7:57] As I have one correction, we were talking about it already.

[8:00] It was just the spelling of Joe Swashman, which we've already captured.

[8:06] Okay.

[8:07] I think we'll move on to, we have to approve it first.

[8:10] Yeah. So, we'll move on to the taking the vote to approve the minutes.

[8:17] Commissioner Chapman.

[8:19] Yes.

[8:20] Commissioner Cooves? Yes.

[8:22] Chair Elman? Yes.

[8:25] Commissioner Huckelby and? Yes.

[8:28] And Commissioner McKen. Yes.

[8:31] Commissioner Hartunian and Wenzel are absent today.

[8:36] Okay, now we'll move on to item of the business item G, the Ripper Report presentation.

[8:44] I think it's going to be done by Lieutenant John Fromer.

[8:49] Welcome.

[8:52] Thank you very much.

[8:54] Chair Minelman, police commissioners.

[8:56] Thank you.

[8:57] It's fantastic to be back in front of you after a little bit of absence.

[9:04] Tonight, I'm going to give the presentation on Ripper Information.

[9:08] The 10-A-John firmware, the Burbank police again currently assigned to the professional standards bureau.

[9:15] So this information will be based on the racial identity profiling network requirements that we have.

[9:20] I'm reporting stop data to the California DOJ.

[9:27] Then can I move the owns my own slides here?

[9:30] You should be able to.

[9:31] All right.

[9:33] So Assembly Bill 953.

[9:37] That's a racial identity.

[9:38] Let's go back to the so the racial identity profiling act was introduced by the California State Legislator

[9:46] Legislator to help in racial and identity profile.

[9:50] The bill required all law enforcement agencies in California to collect perceived demographic and other detailed data regarding pedestrian and traffic.

[10:00] The perfect stop. The perfect police department began this data collection in 2022.

[10:10] The application system that we use, the software system that we use to collect this information is made by veritone. Officers commonly referred to it as the RIPA system. That information is input by the officers and then sent to the DOJ. Once it's been submitted it goes to supervisor approval and then it will come to me as the Lieutenant of Professional Standards Bureau.

[10:33] to do an ultimate review before sending to the California DOJ.

[10:41] A little bit of change from when they reported this last year to you.

[10:46] So current populations increase a little bit.

[10:49] So 104,000 population for the city of Burbank itself.

[10:53] Detime population numbers tend to remain the same over the last couple of years about 250,000

[10:58] of our daytime population and that's going to include visitors, workers,

[11:03] shoppers, anybody that wants to come to the city of Burbank.

[11:06] outside of our own constituents, our own residents.

[11:13] To give you a breakdown of the burbank,

[11:16] this city demographics, look at the chart here.

[11:20] It looks primarily you have your 54% white.

[11:24] 25% Hispanic, 12% Asian.

[11:29] You have 3% of black or African American.

[11:32] And then you have less than 1% of American Indian

[11:35] or Alaska native and Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander.

[11:42] When you compare that to Los Angeles County

[11:44] ethnicity demographics, there's a slight change.

[11:48] You have the Hispanic population of 49.3%

[11:53] followed by white at 24.6.

[11:56] Asian at 16.6.

[11:59] Black or African America at 8.9%.

[12:02] American Indian or Alaska native at 5.2.

[12:05] and Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander at 0.4%.

[12:14] Now if we get into our actual stop data,

[12:16] there you'll notice a difference from this information

[12:19] will be for 2024.

[12:21] I included information from the prior presentation for 2023

[12:25] to be able to do us like comparison over the two years.

[12:30] And the reason why the information is 2024

[12:32] because California DOJ produces the report in January by January 31st.

[12:39] The report produced this year in 2026 was for 2024D.

[12:44] So next presentation we do for you will be for 2025D.

[12:49] If you look here, self-initiate activity versus calls for service.

[12:55] So did the officer generate this contact himself by observed his own observed activity?

[13:00] or was he dispatched to the call for call for service from the citizen or a business.

[13:07] You see the pattern here between the last two years.

[13:09] Primarily, this is officer self-initiated activity compared to calls for service.

[13:16] We got about 20,000 calls total for 2023 and last year there was about 16 and 1,000 calls.

[13:22] So you see a reduction in the total number of contacts that the officers have.

[13:29] Again, the information on some of the information, the officer's document, is their perception of their ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender, these things are supposed to be on the officer's perceptions.

[13:44] In law enforcement, if you've done the rightologues, it's not always easy when you're stopping a car or in the middle of the night or at the sun to see who's driving a car or actually see who you're stopping until you actually stop them and make contact with them at the car.

[13:56] If you look at 2024, 86% of the contacts the officers did not, we're not able to form a

[14:04] perception about those characteristics of the individual they contacted until they actually

[14:09] mean contact. About 14% of those calls, they actually formed a perception.

[14:16] In 2023, you'll notice

[14:18] that a higher percentage the officers at 92% were unable to form a pinions or a perception

[14:25] about the person contacted and only 8% that they formed those opinions prior to making

[14:31] content.

[14:36] If you do stops by perceived race or ethnicity,

[14:42] when you put 2023 next to 2024 in this chart,

[14:46] the orange will represent the 2024 blue 2023. As mentioned, there was less contacts over all for

[14:54] 2024, but if you look at the trend, it's very similar to the pre-

[15:00] Please share 223 information.

[15:04] For the perceived race or ethnicity, you have white followed by Hispanic Latino, followed by black African American, followed by Middle Eastern or South Asian, followed by Asian, and then you had minor contacts with Pacific Islander or Native American.

[15:24] And we have listed here on this next chart.

[15:27] This is the basis for the search if a search was conducted.

[15:31] If you noticed, our highest category, no search conducted.

[15:37] So there's contacts with citizens and people in the field, but the officers are not requesting

[15:42] or not doing a search of that subject.

[15:44] A lot of these are going to be traffic stops for traffic violations or some of the

[15:53] finds no need or justification to move forward with any investigation and they just have a content.

[16:00] Then if you go down, I'll give it in order, so then consent given.

[16:04] There's about 2,500, just over 2,500 searches done where the person contacted gate consent.

[16:12] Incident to arrest means the officer established an up-problem cause to arrest the subject for criminal violation.

[16:18] That was 7208 and then for officer safety or safety of others, typically what we would call

[16:25] this is a Pat Downs Church where the officer believes they could possess a weapon.

[16:29] There was only 146 of those searches.

[16:32] Visible contraband, 35 evidence of a crime, 28, condition of parole, probation, post-relief

[16:41] supervision, community supervision, or mandatory supervision, there was 47.

[16:45] But then if you go down the list, you have vehicle inventory, search warrant, suspected weapons,

[16:50] odor of contraband, or exigent circumstance.

[16:53] Those numbers are very minor compared to the overall statistical data.

[17:01] Result to stop.

[17:03] This is what the officer's documented.

[17:05] I conducted a stop or a contact.

[17:07] Here's the result of what I did with that action.

[17:12] Number one would be a citation for an impression.

[17:14] Again, primarily a lot of these are contacts for traffic violations.

[17:20] Warning or whether verbal or written.

[17:23] That's got to be a second category of just over six and a half, six thousand five hundred.

[17:30] custodial arrest without a warrant,

[17:33] meaning officer determined a crime had involved no war in certain vault.

[17:38] 1,836.

[17:39] This field interview card completed.

[17:43] This is where the officer determined that this is something we should document the contact

[17:46] I had.

[17:47] More information being put in our computer system, so other officers are aware of this subject

[17:52] that we contacted frequently out of these subjects on probation, parole, for robbery,

[17:57] some more serious felony crimes.

[18:00] That may or may not have some purpose to be in the city of Burbank.

[18:04] They don't work here.

[18:05] They don't live here but they're visiting here but it may be reason for them to just make

[18:09] nowhere. No action, as a result, typically some of those will be a

[18:15] consensual contact where they're asking somebody that may look like

[18:18] their involvement suspicious activity, but determine there's no

[18:21] suspicious activity. They have a justification to be where they aren't

[18:25] doing what they're doing. Infield site release, some of these are on our

[18:29] low-level misdemeanor crimes that don't require us or

[18:34] weren't booking them in our jail and then you have custodial

[18:38] rest pursuant to an outstanding more, we get several of those throughout the year, and then

[18:45] you have our psychiatric hold for welfare and institution codes. This is more for mental

[18:50] health assistance and care, and then contact with a parent or legal guardian for some

[18:57] of our juvenile crimes, and then non-criminal transport for caretaking, sometimes that's

[19:02] just have to transport somebody, we'll get caretaking calls on subjects, either lying on a sidewalk

[19:10] being in the street.

[19:11] Some people that are actually suffering a medical episode that we have to arrange transportation

[19:16] to the hospital.

[19:20] If you look at our warnings versus citations issued by perceived race and ethnicity in 2024,

[19:28] You can see it's going to be the information here is very similar to the contacts and

[19:36] stops we had in 2023, where majority of the contacts were white and Hispanic or Latino.

[19:45] And then that will be followed by black African American, but you can see the number difference.

[19:50] you know, you have just over 4,000 for white.

[19:55] In 2020, I'm sorry, let me give you the 2024.

[19:59] So in 2024, you

[20:00] You had just over 4,200 citations issued for white, versus 26, just over 2600 warnings issued,

[20:10] but it's going to be very similar pattern when you have, let me give you the other ones here.

[20:16] So for the Asian population, you had slightly more citations issued than mornings for Middle Eastern

[20:24] or Southern Asian. You had the same. But then when you look at the Hispanic Latino

[20:30] population, Middle East, I'm sorry. Black African American, they receive far more warnings

[20:37] in citations issued.

[20:45] When you look at a respite perceived racer at this city, again,

[20:52] primarily in this is Hispanic or Latino at 873, followed closely by white at 816.

[21:00] Then you see a pretty good drastic reduction, and then you have Black African American at 309 Middle Eastern

[21:05] or south Asian at 77 and Asian at 44.

[21:15] If you do warning and citation and arrest all three categories

[21:20] by perceived gender,

[21:24] male subjects,

[21:31] lead all the categories for all three of those, whether

[21:33] it be warning citations or arrest. Follow by female, but when you see in the female category,

[21:41] They receive slightly more citations than warnings, and then when you get to gender non-conforming a transgender man or woman those numbers are very small compared to for the context that we had in the city of Birmingham.

[22:00] The only thing that stood out from 2023 to 2024 was a slight increase in the numbers generated for gender non-conforming.

[22:12] reasons for stop, perceived based on perceived race or ethnicity, if you look at the traffic

[22:20] violations by far, just over 7,000 were issued to white ethnicity, followed by Hispanic,

[22:31] which again a lot of these numbers are matching our city demographics.

[22:35] That's followed by black African American with a drastic reduction from white and Hispanic,

[22:41] And then from there, Middle Eastern South Asian, followed by Native American, and I'm sorry, yes, it has a Native American and the nation.

[23:03] Reason for stop by perceived gender.

[23:08] Traffic violations, again being the number one category, but if you see there, it's male, followed by female, and then very small numbers for transgender men, transgender women,

[23:18] and gender non-conforming.

[23:23] And then if you look also at reasonable suspicion

[23:25] that the person was engaged in criminal activity,

[23:28] male subjects being the number one category

[23:30] stopped and contacted by the police, followed by female.

[23:35] The other categories were very small.

[23:39] For knowledge about standing arrest warrants

[23:41] and consensual encounter resulting in an actual search.

[23:49] New reporting categories that came out in 2025.

[23:51] I apologize this again, this data that we're going through

[23:54] for 2024. So next year, the information is going to include what the information that we have been collecting

[24:00] since 2025 have been zip code of the people contacted and then parole probation status to be helpful,

[24:09] which is going to be very helpful information determining the people that were contacting on these

[24:15] enforcement stops. Are they burbank residents or are they coming from outside of the city?

[24:23] Just to final thoughts on this, again,

[24:28] we take this serious or we get good commentary and

[24:34] good feedback from the California DOJ on our reporting on the data that we're reporting

[24:39] and that we report it in a very timely manner.

[24:42] Some other agencies have a little more struggles getting that.

[24:46] I believe this comes from our supervision and management of this process and of our personnel

[24:51] that are actually doing the enforcement contacts in the field.

[24:55] So we received high marks from California DOJ.

[25:00] We have policies and procedures that back this to produce the culture that the officers are reporting this data in a timely manner, and then training for all of our new personnel when they come on as the Lieutenant of Professional Standards Bureau are responsible for giving them one and a half hours of training on the importance of reporting this information and to have it done in a timely manner.

[25:23] And this is back through our field training program so that we build that culture from the very beginning because again, this is a state mandated program and they're mandate that we provide them with this information.

[25:34] And then from there we do our own internal audits inspections and that is not required through the assembly bill, but we do want to make sure that our officers are reporting this information.

[25:46] So, we do semi-annual and annual audits on this information, and then from there we do have

[25:54] oversight boards, as well as the police commission, the Office of Independent Review, and any

[26:00] problematic issues, anything that needs to be addressed can be sent and forwarded to our internal

[26:05] affairs bureau for tracking.

[26:10] And then with that, I'll open that up to questions.

[26:14] Thank you very much for your presentation, Lieutenant.

[26:18] Does anybody in the commission have any questions for the Lieutenant?

[26:22] I have some questions and comments.

[26:23] So again, Jonathan, thank you for the report.

[26:25] I'm appreciating this.

[26:27] A couple of just observations real quick.

[26:30] I just appreciate, you said this towards the end that some of the work that the department is doing is going above and beyond the assembly bill.

[26:36] So I just wanted to lift that up and, you know, how much I appreciate that.

[26:40] We've talked about it here in the past and just the importance of not just doing constitutional policing.

[26:45] But what does it mean to go above and beyond for the needs of the community and the integrity of the department?

[26:51] So thank you for that. I'm really excited to get to see the zip code data next year too.

[26:55] That's going to be huge to help with this.

[26:59] In the category of you get what you measure.

[27:01] I'm curious you were talking about the 90 minute training and you were talking about ongoing checks and balances for this and making sure the reporting is being done spot checking.

[27:09] Can you describe it all what the conversation is like, both in the training to prepare new officers

[27:16] to use to collect this information and an ongoing basis?

[27:20] I'm particularly curious, our officers experiencing this as a hassle, are they engaged in

[27:25] the conversation?

[27:26] Is there a pushback on the conversation?

[27:28] I know how serious you're taking it, and I'm just curious if you can give a flavor of what

[27:31] those conversations are like.

[27:33] Yeah, so I do, my conversations are primarily related to the new officers, so those

[27:40] conversations are very energetic and they're very receiving primarily because I'm

[27:44] a lieutenant and they're brand new and they know they have to do what I tell them

[27:47] that helps.

[27:48] Unfortunately I'm not in patrol any longer to have those ongoing or continuous

[27:53] conversations with the patrol officers or the detectives that are doing this

[27:57] on an ongoing daily basis, but I don't personally hear the grumbling or any of

[28:04] than expressing that this is a hassle or a problem.

[28:09] Okay. Obviously there was a gap in the information being collected because as a police

[28:13] department, we report the criminal incitations statistics. We weren't keeping any detailed

[28:19] information other than in our cab system on context that we have, but if it doesn't result

[28:25] in any enforcement action, then it's not something that we report to the FBI. Previously it

[28:30] was a uniform crime reporting. You know that's gone to neighbors, the national incident

[28:34] based reporting system, but it's just a general context that don't result in any enforcement

[28:40] action.

[28:40] That wasn't something that we had a robust system to pull up information, if that makes sense.

[28:48] So this is what the Assembly Bill was trying to establish by, okay, you're having hundreds

[28:53] and hundreds of contacts.

[28:55] If you talk about the entire state, it's millions of contacts on an annual basis.

[29:00] So they're looking to glean information statistical information to see if there are issues

[29:04] with the context being made by law enforcement.

[29:07] Are there.

[29:08] Does this report go beyond the commission?

[29:11] Does this go to the city council or anything like that?

[29:13] Well, this presentation I don't do for city council.

[29:16] So it's done at the request.

[29:17] Just for here.

[29:19] I was going to make a recommendation for future.

[29:21] I got a chance.

[29:22] Thank you, Mike.

[29:23] And thank you, Evelyn, for sending in out.

[29:24] I got a chance to take a look at the executive summary.

[29:27] Which includes percentages.

[29:29] Throwing out there.

[29:30] If you can include percentages on some of their party.

[29:32] might actually be a little bit easier for us to, because one of the things that the executive

[29:36] summary reported was concerns that numbers are still high. There's still disparities

[29:42] in contextual stops and racial profiling. And so that would help us have to kind of compare

[29:47] what's going on in Burbank compared to other places. And the zip code information in addition

[29:51] to that in the future would be really helpful to figure out, are we talking about residents in

[29:55] the city, or are we talking about folks coming into the city and what that looks like so I'd

[29:58] appreciate that.

[30:00] The last comment I've got in and I just want to throw that there's the commission as well. You mentioned about how the commission plays an oversight role with this. I just want to lift up that we actually wouldn't get that because it would be theoretically a personnel investigation and we don't have access to any of that.

[30:17] So we wouldn't know unless it's brought to our attention and it would just be handled internally. So I just wanted to lift that up as a space where we can advise based on the report and based on the information that we're looking at.

[30:28] But we as a commission will never know if there's if there is an issue within the department unless unless it gets brought to our attention

[30:36] Really outside of the normal process of information comes to us because we don't we don't get to be involved in investigation work it all so

[30:43] Right.

[30:43] Yeah, I didn't mean to be misleading with that. It's more of the oversight of the fact that we do do share this annual information and report with you so that we actually have people of the community looking at the actual data

[30:55] Yeah, and we're not keeping it to ourselves.

[30:57] Sorry, apologize if what I said was a little bit.

[30:59] No worries.

[31:00] No worries.

[31:00] OK.

[31:00] Thank you.

[31:01] All right.

[31:04] Mike?

[31:06] Good.

[31:07] Thank you again for your report.

[31:09] I've got several questions.

[31:13] A comment from what James said is,

[31:18] would you get some reporting?

[31:20] It's been a while, years, from OIR, when they did email

[31:26] reference of things. In the report that we received today, this is the state report.

[31:34] Do we have the statistics for Burbank?

[31:39] This information in here is for Burbank?

[31:42] These are all Burbank.

[31:43] Right, so if you go to the California DOG website, you can pull up their statewide report.

[31:49] It's released at the end of January every year, but it's about a year and a half

[31:55] So it's 420.20.

[31:57] Okay.

[31:58] Okay.

[31:58] Good.

[31:58] So next January, you will have the data for 2025.

[32:03] Is the reporting for the local, as well as for the state, shared with all of our

[32:11] officers?

[32:12] We share our information with our officers, especially when we go through our audits and then

[32:20] at the end of the year, we share information with our managers that share with the officers.

[32:24] especially on how we're doing and if there's room for improvement.

[32:27] So the managers in row call frequently,

[32:30] frequent reminders to make sure to have the information be accurate and timely

[32:34] and the importance of reporting the information.

[32:38] But they do get us an absence of the information overall.

[32:46] In Los Angeles, which is separate from Burbank,

[32:51] They did do some restrictive pretextual stops.

[32:57] Do we have those same type of restrictions in Burbank or because we're, excuse me, separate

[33:04] community, we go our own way.

[33:07] Correct, each agency, that was an administration of the police department decision primarily

[33:12] done through their oversight boards.

[33:14] That was not something that we've done in Burbank, Lendil Pasadena areas.

[33:20] So, so our policy would not shift to being like LA's.

[33:27] Okay.

[33:28] All right.

[33:33] Looking over the state reports for the last couple of years,

[33:40] I have a little trouble in the demographics

[33:45] reflecting our community, our Burbank community.

[33:50] And I'll tell you where I'm going here.

[33:55] There are different groups that we've had in the past that have had issues with the slurs

[34:05] or aid or something.

[34:08] And in this report, it appears that our Armenian community is in with the all-white community,

[34:18] correct?

[34:18] just not separated out.

[34:27] I don't know if there is, I'm going to be making a motion a little bit later regarding this.

[34:40] Yes, it's just interesting to me that that focus, because that could change the look of the demographics quite a bit.

[34:50] But it does not reflect our community and reality.

[34:54] Right, and that could be a request made through the chief, but there's a 1925.

[35:00] Court case, thank you. That established that how we do the demographic counting and the Armenian population has included in white for that purpose.

[35:08] It's the state that is making up the category, sir.

[35:13] Correct. According to census data.

[35:17] I'm sorry. According to census data is how the information is being recorded.

[35:26] federal in

[35:49] regards to the report profiling the Supreme Court okay profiling for

[36:03] for racial profiling.

[36:06] Does that affect us?

[36:09] Are we allowed to do profiling either by the state or the feds?

[36:15] Right, so we don't, I can't speak for the federal agencies.

[36:17] But when I can speak for California law enforcement,

[36:20] we do not do racial profiling.

[36:23] So the beauty of our law enforcement is we are impartial.

[36:27] And basically the observations you have in front of you

[36:30] establish the facts that you have and what you can act upon legally.

[36:34] We don't act with prejudice.

[36:35] We're not discriminatory actions based solely on somebody's perceived gender-raise sexual

[36:43] orientation.

[36:44] That's not how we conduct law enforcement operations or enforcement operations.

[36:49] It would be illegal for us to simply engage in enforcement because if somebody's racer

[36:53] ethnicity.

[36:54] The race can be a determinant factor based on the totality of the circumstances, depending on what incident that officer is dealing with.

[37:05] Race alone is on its own is completely illegal.

[37:11] So what we do is we profiling for us, we're trying to be profiling or somebody's committing a violation of our several codes.

[37:20] vehicle code, penal code, health and safety, all of these codes that we have for enforcement

[37:25] actions. We can profile for does this mean a violation of this code, not based on race.

[37:35] James brought up a little of something I see that we're using use bear tone system, correct?

[37:45] Is that system separate from our reporting system or is that part of the same?

[37:49] It's a separate system, so it's not part of our CADRMS, our report management system, or a computer-rated dispatch system.

[37:59] So does it kind of like, or are people to do a report and then separately do another report?

[38:07] Only sometimes that depends on if it's an arrest. Yes, we're doing an arrest report and information if it's a citation that information goes in there.

[38:16] If it's a routine traffic stop where the officer just uses basically letter the law,

[38:23] spirit of the law versus letter the law, they're using education versus enforcement

[38:27] where they say you committed this violation, please drive safer and send them on their

[38:31] way.

[38:31] That's not captured in our system other than in the computer A to dispatch captures the plate

[38:37] of the vehicle, the date and time of the stop and the officer involved with that

[38:41] stop.

[38:42] but we don't capture personal information of the driver.

[38:47] The baritone system is built specifically to fulfill this request and mandate from the state of California to provide them with this information.

[38:57] So this is not information that we're always going to capture.

[38:59] If it's in a restaurant citation, yes, we capture that in our own systems.

[39:04] If it's not, we don't retain or capture that information other than the computer-rated dispatch on the basic information.

[39:11] of the stop.

[39:15] So, but sort of depends then if the information is captured or not, it's not captured

[39:22] 100 percent. Correct. So the information we send to the DOJ, there's no personal identifying

[39:29] information. It's supposed to be some perceived categories that the officer has versus very

[39:34] factual information on the stop itself. Date time location, what did you stop them for?

[39:40] did you search them? Why did you search them? Did you recover evidence? What was the result of the stop?

[39:45] That information goes to DOJ. That's not always going to be information that is going to be captured in our independent systems.

[39:55] What do you think, what kind of time is this taking?

[39:59] You've done your...

[40:00] Regular reports. But now you've got to do this separate report.

[40:06] Is it like a two-minute, ten-minute lesson?

[40:11] You know, it is just going to be adding a lot of time on to your work.

[40:14] Right. No, it's less than two minutes. The most officers can get this done in a minute to a minute and a half. The app is on their city provided, department provided cell phones.

[40:26] And it's filled by field.

[40:28] The officers go through it very quickly.

[40:31] All right.

[40:32] All right.

[40:33] Cool.

[40:34] I appreciate your answers.

[40:35] Thank you very much.

[40:36] Thank you.

[40:37] We're all good.

[40:38] I saw your hand now.

[40:39] Thank you, Chair Alman.

[40:41] I was kind of former.

[40:42] Thank you very much for that wonderful presentation.

[40:46] I've been on right along with officers who've gone through that report.

[40:48] And you're absolutely right.

[40:49] It takes a couple of minutes.

[40:50] It's just sometimes like they would pull over after a stop.

[40:53] that would just fill out the report, and we'll take a couple of minutes, and then we'll be on our way to the next call.

[41:01] So I've seen that happen. It seems like it's a very quick process.

[41:04] But in regards to, I just want to comment on what you said about our meaning and

[41:08] being part of the consensus. Our means have always been part of the Caucasian culture.

[41:14] I mean, the Caucasian ethnicity, and the reason why is because historically my ancestors

[41:18] came from the lower Caucasus mountains, which is, you'll be surprised when you go

[41:22] or media how many people don't look like me.

[41:25] So one thing is that I know there's two lobbying groups

[41:30] that are meeting somebody of America

[41:31] and the ANCA who are currently working

[41:33] with the Romanian Caucus to address these concerns

[41:35] in regards to consensus and how the ethnicities identified.

[41:40] So I know that's a bigger conversation

[41:42] of what anything can happen locally.

[41:46] So yeah.

[41:47] It kind of sounds like it's a little nebulous

[41:50] how you define that.

[41:52] If you do it by country, by some broader ethnicity,

[42:00] it's not an easy, that's that, you know.

[42:04] It's a big conversation now.

[42:07] Great.

[42:08] Thank you.

[42:09] All they can have anything?

[42:12] Yes.

[42:13] First of all, I'm happy, essentially, that Armenia is not a category.

[42:20] My grandfather told me about Irish and Italian discrimination.

[42:25] So, only two generations away from that.

[42:28] And the fact that it's one category, I think it's a major step forward.

[42:33] And it shows progress.

[42:35] I don't know how they do it, but I know the NYPD's police commission.

[42:40] They just started tracking 911 calls by neighborhoods.

[42:45] I guess by ethnicity.

[42:46] So, the words, why are we oversaturated in the state where we will because that neighborhood is calling?

[42:52] I don't know how that would be done. I don't know if it's necessary.

[42:54] But I thought it was an interesting in line with your report.

[43:00] And the Disip Code, Verbank Resonance, employees, and then a category maybe for passing through.

[43:08] Because I think of our employees as quasi-resonance, as you said, there's 250 of them every day.

[43:17] But the one's passing through in a lot of respect for opportunities, and I think those are probably the people that we need to be concerned on.

[43:25] Thank you so much for your support.

[43:27] Thank you.

[43:29] Again, thank you very much for your report.

[43:32] I haven't done a ride along in a while, so last time I did it, the RIPA information was done manually.

[43:41] And now you're using the baritone app.

[43:44] The baritone app is basically our linkage to the DLJ.

[43:49] Correct.

[43:49] So that information ultimately belongs to the DLJ.

[43:53] Baritone is the software application company that collects it

[43:57] and forwards it to the DLJ.

[43:59] Do you have any ability to pull reports before get set to the DLJ

[44:04] or you're just a little bit?

[44:05] When we do audits, we look at just to see that information

[44:08] is matching, but I can't, basically, the detailed information we will pull for these reports

[44:14] once DOJ releases the information in their annual reports.

[44:18] I've just asked it this, they seem to be very slow at collecting and analyzing data.

[44:25] And I think what would be helpful is I can have a discussion with the chief, because this

[44:30] report is released in January. Maybe we try to schedule something before you in March,

[44:35] that will give me time to compile the information.

[44:39] I will take what Chairman Coombs has requested for percentages.

[44:45] And we can also, if you look at the DOJ report,

[44:47] there are several categories that they're looking at here.

[44:51] So I can review that to see if we can incorporate

[44:55] some more information out of the helpful to you.

[44:58] I'll also looking forward to the zip.

[45:01] I think somebody else has any james? I think Mike said he had a to Joe emotion that you wanted to make

[45:08] regarding this. I

[45:14] feel pretty strongly. I understand what you're saying. But I feel pretty strongly that it would be important

[45:24] that our

[45:28] demographics be more precise.

[45:32] There's areas like Burbank, Glendale, there's areas of North, where the segment of the

[45:38] community is much broader than what's being shown in the report here.

[45:44] I'm going to suggest this is my motion is that we have our commission secretary right

[45:52] letter to the RIP aboard and ask them to take a look at the options for defining

[46:06] Armenian, Middle Eastern, that segment of our community this not being really separated out.

[46:15] We might want to send a copy of that letter as well to our Assembly, Nick Schultz.

[46:26] Mr. Chair, before this discussion goes on any further, you are an advisory board to the council.

[46:33] If you're going to take action, the action is to make your recommendation to council,

[46:38] so that council can give you approval as to whether or not they want you to take an action.

[46:42] You don't have the authority to send a letter on your own on behalf of the police commission to anybody without being granted that authority by council.

[46:55] Okay, I can go with that.

[46:56] Okay.

[46:57] You as a private.

[46:58] I'd like to make a modification that that would be going to our city council and ask them to perhaps follow up with that.

[47:09] May I comment, will you open for discussion?

[47:12] No, I'm asking you.

[47:14] Let's try to keep it short because we are on a two-hour meeting.

[47:19] So, Paul, please go ahead.

[47:21] You notice he said that when Paul's going to read a talk.

[47:26] I think for some vocation, I understand what you're saying, but maybe it would be based

[47:31] on primary language.

[47:33] If we pull someone over in their primary language, is that it in English, I don't know if

[47:38] would be probably easier to track, but I'm sure that's more problematic for our officers as

[47:44] opposed to breakdown of what all do respect skin tone and perception.

[47:50] I think that would be kind of nebulous too because you have helped me if I'm messing

[47:58] up here.

[47:59] You would have Russians and you have other languages being involved here.

[48:03] So the thing about being Armenian is it's not like you're Armenian and that identifies you.

[48:09] My wife is Armenian.

[48:11] I was going to write on Persian Armenian culturally, we're very different.

[48:14] And the way we're identified is very different within our communities.

[48:17] So you have, in this community, you have Russian Armenians, you have Persian Armenians,

[48:21] you have Armenians who are from Armenia, you have Lebanese Armenians, you have Jordanian

[48:26] Armenians.

[48:27] I mean, just saying Armenians across the board would not make sense because each

[48:33] different every person identifies and they come from a different country.

[48:38] So I personally couldn't support your motion just because I'm working with the

[48:42] Armenian Caucus community in the Armenian Assembly on a different similar

[48:46] conversation, but not local level.

[48:49] And I just don't think that identifying as just Armenian would really

[48:54] demonstrate or really identify that type of Armenian.

[48:58] You know what I mean?

[48:59] because there's different Armenians within the community

[49:01] that identified differently.

[49:03] So, I just want to put that out there.

[49:04] I'm just going to interrupt for one second

[49:07] and allow council, woman, all in select arts.

[49:11] Good evening, chair and commissioners.

[49:15] So I'm going to even confuse you a little bit more

[49:17] on top of what the commissioners said, for example,

[49:22] born in Egypt, some Egyptian, but I also identify as called

[49:28] When it comes to filling out any kind of legal forms, so I wanted to be clear what it is that you're asking for counsel being your I'm your liaison

[49:40] So I gotta go back and figure out exactly what I'm gonna ask the rest of the council to do we currently don't have that category

[49:48] I know the Congresswoman has been working on it the assembly has been working on it

[49:53] we're trying to create that category for many years.

[49:56] They managed to do some of the records that actually

[50:00] Today, our Minion, because it's been a long time coming to identify our Minions. But as the commissioner

[50:07] also stated, under our Minions alone, there's multiple different Armenians. Our Minion Iranians,

[50:14] our Minion Middle Eastern, our Minion Russians. So this is why it's convoluted and that also throw me in this kind of category.

[50:23] because a lot of people mistake me for Latina or an Armenian or, you know, many other

[50:29] cultures.

[50:30] So I don't know how the police department would actually identify that on the report

[50:35] when they stop someone.

[50:38] But maybe as if you want to, like, narrow down exactly what it is we're trying to do, so I'm

[50:45] able to take that request back to the rest of the council, but I need to know exactly what

[50:50] it is.

[50:52] That is if you come to a consensus that you wanted to read on what you want to send to council.

[50:59] Yes, I just, yeah, thank you for that because I didn't want to walk away and not saying anything about it and make you believe that.

[51:07] Oh, I'm going to go back and ask for a letter because what is it that we're asking if the category doesn't even exist.

[51:13] And so I don't want to set up our police department for them to say, okay, count on council.

[51:18] we're going to look into it, but what am I asking for because currently that category doesn't

[51:24] exist because they're trying to narrow it down to figure out with all the different cultures

[51:32] that are under a Caucasian basically.

[51:36] No.

[51:36] I really glad that you stepped up.

[51:39] Well, sometimes I need to jump up and say, once in a while I do that.

[51:45] You know my history with Burbank Human Relations.

[51:47] Yes.

[51:47] And this is an area I've grappled with before.

[51:51] We look at other groups, Latinos, Hispanics, South American, Central, you know.

[52:03] If you think spoke to a Hispanic or Latin American person, they might be more willing to give their racial identity as a country,

[52:17] rather than the. But then overall. Yeah, but then if the officer was stops me and, you know,

[52:26] where are you from? And I'm like, I'm going to say I'm Caucasian from here, right? So I'm

[52:33] setting him up really not knowing what to put down on the report. So he's going to put down

[52:38] occasion such as what the commissioner said that under our

[52:44] minions there's a lot of different categories until the law is very clear

[52:49] and they actually have it on legal documents that we fill out every day

[52:56] that identifies and break down everyone's categories it's easier for like Asian

[53:02] Pacific it's easier for Hispanic it's easy because those have been identified many

[53:07] years ago and in putting together legal documents. So we're still not there yet, but I'm sure

[53:15] one day is going to be adopted approved and move forward by the legislators. It's interesting

[53:21] in the report that they call, they have Latinas and then white. Yes. Instead of Caucasian

[53:30] or something like that. Well, there's some undercultagents as well. I fill that documents

[53:35] and I look and I'm like, oh, that's me, okay, stop your foot tight and so thank you, we

[53:41] can obviously, you guys discussed it and I'm happy when there's a decision but I need to know

[53:48] what are we looking for exactly because it's not there yet. There is

[53:58] Mike, I'm going to

[54:00] stop this. I mean, this is on the agenda and I'm sorry, it is on the agenda. Well, I have made a motion

[54:07] here. Well, what I'd like to finish with, it'd be very quick, I'm sure, is that we have issues

[54:16] with hate slurs. I'm thinking of just recently the grid school in Glendale, with the Armenian

[54:28] money that they were putting on the street.

[54:33] There is a level of racism that's going

[54:38] on. And I want to be able to address that in our community if there's a problem, we may

[54:45] not have a problem at all. And I hopefully don't think so. But we'd like to be able to

[54:51] track that. And this is done on a statewide basis, not just our little community. I appreciate

[54:59] your help.

[55:00] Of course, thank you. Yeah, hopefully this will help a little bit. I want to take us to step back for a moment about the purpose, the report itself, it's the, again, it's the racial identified, racial identity profiling act. The, the purpose of RIPA was to help identify if their, if law enforcement is in engaging in, in, in, in, stops in, using any kind of racial profiling information that they've determined. Part of the reason that they provide the demographic

[55:29] information of the state of California and the main report, and then they break down like

[55:34] what the what the perception is of the people that are stopped. And then what the actual

[55:37] identity of the folks are stopped is to identify if there's discrepancies there. Is there a black

[55:43] is there a higher number of black folks being stopped? Contact pre-contextually in comparison to the

[55:51] population in the community. So if I think in Burbank there's there's 3% black. If there's 10% of the

[55:58] or people that identifies Black or African American, that's a problem, and that's the purpose of the report.

[56:04] So I hear what you're saying, and I think it's worth exploring further.

[56:08] I think we need to kind of tease it out a little bit, because if I'm hearing you correctly,

[56:13] your concern that folks that identify as Armenian may be inappropriately stopped on a more frequent basis,

[56:21] And your concern is about, as about racism and discrimination towards the Armenian community in terms of law enforcement stops.

[56:30] Is that I just want to, you know, we'd be able to, you need the data show.

[56:41] Yeah, you don't get it in order to show it either way.

[56:44] And I think what you've lifted up is really clearly identifying that

[56:48] And we need the information to be able to make that determination, but also the context

[56:54] that we're working in, as Vice Vice Mayor Mullins identified, is that there is, there's

[57:01] a lot of folks, a lot of different levels that are trying to work that out right now to

[57:05] capture the data.

[57:06] It's probably not as much a pride thing of having identified and represented in this report

[57:12] as it is making sure that people aren't being, the math words aren't coming to be right

[57:17] But disproportionately stopped and we want to make sure that there aren't groups that are being disproportionately stopped in Burbank California

[57:25] It's a whole but for our purposes specifically in Burbank. I just want to make sure I'm understanding what you want to where you want to go with it.

[57:33] Okay. I

[57:35] It's a way to hold on.

[57:38] Could you please

[57:39] State your motion

[57:41] So that everybody's clear on what the motion is that you would like

[57:47] What I would,

[57:52] I move that we send a message to our city council, asking them to ask RIPA,

[58:02] the RIPA Board, to investigate looking into a category for Armenian, Slash, Middle Eastern

[58:21] designation so that we could have that on the report. That would mean that would mean

[58:29] that the report would need to determine a designation. What that definition of that

[58:37] designation is? Okay. We've heard the motion, is there a second to the motion?

[58:51] Motion fails.

[58:55] If there's no longer any questions for Lieutenant fromer,

[58:58] Here we move on.

[59:00] Thank you.

[59:01] Thank you very much.

[59:02] Thank you, President.

[59:09] The next item on our agenda is the selection of commissioners to attend in the call conference.

[59:18] I have one question for staff since we're not all present tonight.

[59:23] What is the last opportunity for a commission to say they were, they're taking go to the conference?

[59:36] I think this is that's a November.

[59:39] I think it's the second week in November, so I know that staff has to do preparations.

[59:46] I'd like to give every commission an opportunity.

[59:49] Our next meetings within 30 days, which I think will be too close.

[59:53] And it's not after.

[59:56] No, you're right, you're right.

[59:58] I believe in us teaching schools.

[1:00:00] I don't believe she's has the opportunity. And no, when last year, my question to the commission is, is there

[1:00:09] someone that is present here tonight that is interested in attending? I don't have the answer to your question. I don't

[1:00:16] unless Evelyn is aware. But that was a role that Sherry helped us fill. And so we, Evelyn and I would have to look

[1:00:26] into that information. So, but before we do any of the work, is there someone here that is

[1:00:31] interested in going? So, we can do that information too, because I'm unavailable, so it's

[1:00:37] down the floor. Yeah, it's interesting. Yes, availability, now unfortunately. I am not either.

[1:00:46] We don't have in here, though, to ask.

[1:00:51] I'm not available to attend myself.

[1:00:57] No, I can

[1:00:58] actually.

[1:01:02] Nobody has to go.

[1:01:06] It's our opportunity to help the General

[1:01:10] Fund. Can we contact Ann and ask her just to be sure? I think last time she

[1:01:16] said she wasn't interested but maybe Evelyn. I can send an email to the police

[1:01:23] commissioners in general and ask one last time. Okay, we'll do. I think we can make

[1:01:30] commitment to respond directly back to you as well, the confer? Yes. Okay.

[1:01:36] And so to be clear,

[1:01:38] if either of the two commissioners who are not present today,

[1:01:42] express an interest in going, then they will be the one or two to go.

[1:01:47] Yeah.

[1:01:53] Okay. We can move on to general announcements by Chief Quintero.

[1:02:02] I'm actually going to lead today with the for bank police foundation awards that we had for those

[1:02:07] were able to be present, thank you, being present in acknowledging, recognizing the men and women

[1:02:13] of this organization and the great work that they do every day. I think I mentioned it during

[1:02:18] my speech that that work is often goes unnoticed and your presence really means everything in

[1:02:24] acknowledging them. And then the last thing kudos to staff because in my past role as a lieutenant,

[1:02:32] current lieutenant faculties I know what heavy lift that also is there's a

[1:02:37] lot of time effort preparation frustration and everything that comes with a

[1:02:41] event of that significance so thank you to recruits graduated from the Orange

[1:02:46] County Sheriff's Academy in August three recruits are set to graduate at the end

[1:02:51] of this month from Ventura County next week Friday and then the last thing we

[1:02:58] have our next event is going to be coffee with the cop that will be held on October

[1:03:02] 7th at 10 a.m. at Chick-fil-A.

[1:03:08] Chick-fil-A, I think, isn't there only one?

[1:03:10] Yes, just one.

[1:03:12] On Olive, is it Olive?

[1:03:14] Oh, Olive.

[1:03:17] I'm like, unless there's another Chick-fil-A that I'm unaware of.

[1:03:21] It's just one.

[1:03:22] Just one.

[1:03:22] There we go.

[1:03:26] And that is all.

[1:03:26] Across from NBC.

[1:03:33] Okay, moving on to Introduction of Agenda items for future meetings.

[1:03:40] If anybody would like to have an idea of what they would like to speak about in the future?

[1:03:58] If the comment associated with that one was a commission mechanic that had requested some

[1:04:05] report to for SROs and I had said, give me some time to prepare and work through that because

[1:04:10] we were not prepared to have that discussion especially at the beginning of the school year.

[1:04:14] Yes, I just did overview on how we did and what we could do better.

[1:04:17] Yeah, so the if you don't mind moving that a little further especially right now that we're still recently into the

[1:04:26] school year and then working with the new superintendent what I would like to agenda is though is if anyone was watching yesterday

[1:04:34] or last night's council is the discussion on the activity

[1:04:38] I activity outside our BPD jail last night was just a quick snapshot as far as

[1:04:45] What we are able to do as a law enforcement agency and not interfering with ICE in their role in function as a federal agency, but it be good opportunity for us to provide additional information that normally we don't

[1:05:00] We have the time to give before council after public comment. And I'd like to bring that back. Unless we have something else on the agenda, I'd like to over as what I was thinking.

[1:05:10] It does timely and essential.

[1:05:14] I think it'd be a very good subject and worthy of the discussion.

[1:05:17] I'm sorry.

[1:05:20] Do we have to vote?

[1:05:21] No, no.

[1:05:22] We could do so.

[1:05:23] Okay.

[1:05:24] We have our e-bike.

[1:05:26] We have Paul.

[1:05:26] We have some interest area.

[1:05:29] But that's actually very valid point.

[1:05:30] The e-bikes have really come into the main frontline lately.

[1:05:37] One of the things that Romic and I spoke to the superintendent about was possibly expanding

[1:05:43] his automobile safety program to e-bikes.

[1:05:47] I was in a bike shop yesterday and asked them about it because I initially thought that maybe

[1:05:52] that would be like to turn people from buying them and they basically said, we don't sell

[1:05:58] what you're talking about, you know, we don't sell the ones that are actually motorcycle.

[1:06:02] So they agreed with it and they thought it would be, it would take some of the burden off

[1:06:05] of them.

[1:06:06] So that might be something we follow up on.

[1:06:08] But yes, anything with e-bikes about the six-string bridge to make a motion for this.

[1:06:15] Make a motion that we revisit the current policies, both state, county, and Burbank, on eBikes, and how we might improve.

[1:06:31] One of the things I would like to bring you to your motion is that last week Orange County had an eBike buyback, and I would like to just include it into the discussion.

[1:06:42] I mean, that's amazing. We've gone so far from a year ago where people were

[1:06:47] putting out important they were to having a gun, style, buy-back for e-bikes that

[1:06:51] angels stadium. Unfortunately, they were given out angels tickets and nobody wanted them.

[1:06:58] You need a second?

[1:07:00] No, no, I have a question for you. Not too long ago, council amended our municipal code to address

[1:07:09] motorized bicycles and other devices on our streets and sidewalks and bikeways I'm

[1:07:17] not sure what this is that you want to bring back that would be different from what

[1:07:23] Council has already done this year I don't have the exact day but it was just a

[1:07:28] few months ago and that is online you can you can find that discussion and

[1:07:36] Council's actions, they devoted to amend the municipal code, to update it, to address all

[1:07:41] of these motor devices, scooters, whatever that in some respects has been causing trouble.

[1:07:48] This slightly different take on it, which is the buy-back program, which I also have heard of

[1:07:54] and found really interesting. First time I believe has ever been done outside of guns, so if

[1:08:00] you want to have that discussion as it relates to the police department, that makes sense to me,

[1:08:04] to have just a general discussion about e-bikes, which Council is already addressed earlier this year.

[1:08:09] I'm not sure what you would be discussing.

[1:08:13] And additionally, we did the presentation for Council. We did a presentation for Council,

[1:08:18] and we also did a community presentation. I want to say two community presentations in death

[1:08:24] of e-bikes and what they are. And then, because it takes a little time, procedurally to actually get

[1:08:33] the the municode finalized, we committed to six months later, which is coming up sometime

[1:08:43] in 2027 to provide an update to the council on e-bikes.

[1:08:50] Yeah.

[1:08:51] Do you have the answer?

[1:08:53] To kind of follow on Jeanne's comments, everything.

[1:08:55] I don't want to get too far into the discussion.

[1:08:57] But I just want to generally just lift up.

[1:08:59] It really behooves us to do our research when we're bringing agenda items because we

[1:09:05] don't want to take on things that City Council is either working on or is made a recent

[1:09:11] decision on and is a report coming back as well. I'm really hesitant to get into spaces

[1:09:16] that another group is working actively working on until we're clear that we need to pursue

[1:09:21] a new area of that. So I'm supporting what Gina St.

[1:09:28] Paul. I'm going to go ahead. I'm sorry.

[1:09:32] I'm maybe moving along here a little bit, but didn't you also have school safety as an item that we had on the agenda at one point?

[1:09:41] The Chief just asked to push that a month or so, so we're going to do that.

[1:09:49] But with that in mind,

[1:09:53] we had done the Family Fund Day a number of years in a row.

[1:09:55] We always did a bunch of comments, but we were going to talk about possibly working with...

[1:10:00] Government police about doing separate bicycle home and event. But I would like to know, and I know that the

[1:10:08] bike path comes under the Transportation Commission. But I think some of the things that were, the

[1:10:16] opportunities we're missing is education. We know on the bike path we have signs as they pick up after

[1:10:21] your dog, but we can't have signs as they wear a helmet. And I'm just thinking that, you know, it's

[1:10:27] law for under 18. I don't know what influence the police who are

[1:10:30] I'm a collaborator we can have on that because I guess I know it's

[1:10:33] transportation. So I think you're you're going down really great past. I just

[1:10:37] like to remind everybody. You're going down really good bike path. I just want to

[1:10:43] remind everyone that this section is I think we're discussing what we want to

[1:10:48] discuss too much, right? So you should raise the issue or the subject matter that

[1:10:53] want to bring back, you can have a quick explanation about what it is so that people are clear

[1:10:59] and then take the vote. Right? It's almost like you're talking objection in a trial, right?

[1:11:05] Like you don't do that. Judges don't allow that and we're not allowed to do that here. So

[1:11:11] are there any other subjects? I don't know if you had a topic you wanted to bring with that commissioner

[1:11:17] What can I call is there anything associated with bikes or school safety that you wanted to make a motion?

[1:11:26] No, I'm fine.

[1:11:27] Thank you.

[1:11:28] Okay.

[1:11:28] Romic, did you have a...

[1:11:29] Yeah, absolutely.

[1:11:31] And, you know, James, maybe you can help me out with this.

[1:11:33] Do you have incredible memory bank community service officers?

[1:11:37] Have you gotten a presentation on that yet?

[1:11:39] We did get a presentation a while back when they were introducing community service officers.

[1:11:44] That's a perfect example of we can go back and research it.

[1:11:47] before we bring it to the textbook for there.

[1:11:51] Yeah.

[1:11:54] Okay.

[1:11:55] Okay.

[1:11:56] I want to jump back.

[1:11:57] We'd be short.

[1:11:58] Yeah, I want to jump back.

[1:11:59] And I apologize.

[1:12:00] I know that we're really not kind of following the process

[1:12:01] for a motion, a second, and everything.

[1:12:03] But I want to actually jump back to the ice motion.

[1:12:07] I want to make sure, do we need to clarify what the motion is?

[1:12:10] Is it just a presentation from the police department?

[1:12:13] Is it a discussion and recommendations by the commission?

[1:12:17] Which I hope it is.

[1:12:18] But I realized that we didn't clarify that and because we're not we didn't vote on it, but I realized we didn't clarify whether it's just a presentation or if we're having discussion and recommendations is a commission.

[1:12:29] So one of the things that we have historically done with this commission is that there are two ways to put things on the agenda.

[1:12:35] One is you as a body vote on items that you want to bring back for discussion separately.

[1:12:41] staff has always had the ability to put things on the agenda as well that they want to

[1:12:46] bring to your attention and we allow that so that things can come to you in a timely

[1:12:50] fashion as opposed to them coming to you, asking if you want it, it has to wait another

[1:12:55] month and so you can see how that would take a long time. So my understanding of the ice

[1:13:01] item is that that's something the chief wants to bring back and I don't know that we'll

[1:13:06] have anything else for next month's agenda but because it's the chief item that he wants

[1:13:10] bring back, and we always try to agendize it that broadly if the chief is going to be asking

[1:13:17] for recommendations or direction. We would agendize it in that way to give you that ability

[1:13:23] to do so. Thank you.

[1:13:29] Does anybody else have something for a future agenda?

[1:13:34] This is pretty silly. I got over some publication, but since it's October, is there a possibility

[1:13:37] that we should do something about Halloween safety recommendations or anything that we recommend

[1:13:45] for the people of our community, knowing that that's going to be a high-profile act of

[1:13:53] night.

[1:13:53] We haven't had problems in the past.

[1:13:55] I'm just looking at the calendar.

[1:14:01] I need some clarification on your question and what your ask is.

[1:14:04] I just think it's safety precautions, things that we wanted to maybe educate the public

[1:14:09] on them, probably the that is normal course scope for us leading up to Halloween or before Halloween,

[1:14:18] especially considering the amount of people that are attracted to our houses and everything

[1:14:26] and how it has gained in popularity because of social media. So I'm pretty certain that Lieutenant

[1:14:34] faculty has a plan for at least promoting it like safety campaigns and others and being aware

[1:14:41] during darkness traditionally what we do every year. So I'm not that far off. Thank you.

[1:14:47] Do we need I don't think we need it on the agenda. Is you were asking for it on the agenda?

[1:14:53] I just took it as only if it was necessary, but if you're feeling that's already covered then I

[1:14:57] correct.

[1:14:57] It's already covered.

[1:15:00] I would like to have a report on the cadet program and on the reserve program.

[1:15:08] It seems as if it is shrinking, you look.

[1:15:14] I can't hear you.

[1:15:18] So I would like to make a motion that we see a report from the police department on the today's cadet program, the future of the cadet program,

[1:15:30] and also a look at the reserve program where it's at and where it's going.

[1:15:39] Before I can second, is that, I want to ask the chief, is that two different big conversations?

[1:15:45] Could that program versus a reserve program? Or is that, there are different programs?

[1:15:50] The, I actually don't mind. It's relevant. Those are things that we also are looking at

[1:15:59] discussing, I've actually tasked Lieutenant Fekity with looking at our cadet program, expanding

[1:16:05] our Explorer program, and a complete review and audit of our Reserve program.

[1:16:11] The Reserve program is looking.

[1:16:14] Yeah, I would like to just say, it won't be ready for next month though.

[1:16:17] That's fine.

[1:16:19] I'm just looking at parts of the police department, which are not sworn.

[1:16:27] and how they're utilized and where we're going with them.

[1:16:32] Our second.

[1:16:35] Can we have a roll call vote?

[1:16:39] Yes.

[1:16:40] Commissioner Chapman.

[1:16:42] Yes.

[1:16:43] Commissioner Coves.

[1:16:44] Yes.

[1:16:47] Chair Elman.

[1:16:48] Yes.

[1:16:51] Commissioner Hart Tunine.

[1:16:53] I'm sorry.

[1:16:54] Commissioner Howcopeian.

[1:16:55] Yes.

[1:16:56] Commissioner McKenna?

[1:16:58] Yes.

[1:16:59] Thank you.

[1:17:01] Motion passes.

[1:17:01] I

[1:17:09] think that concludes our meeting, so I will adjourn tonight's meeting, and again we will

[1:17:15] meet in this council chamber on October 21st, 2006.

[1:17:20] Thank you very much and good night.

[1:17:23] I'm excited to hear.

[1:17:29] The way we got exposed to this is we represent a big hip hop catalog in one of our staff

[1:17:36] approach.

[1:17:37] Since I'd heard there's this AI video last year, that's actually really cool around our

[1:17:43] So we reached out to the guy, we brought him in, and we started working with him, and this was like pre-Suno Udio, all that.

[1:17:53] Then all of a sudden, same employee goes, hey, there's this song going off on UGC in our system called BBL jersey.

[1:18:03] And you have to check it out, and it's this joke record this guy made using Suno.

[1:18:09] And then it was the center of the Drake Kendrick beef that created not like us all of that and it all stemmed and there's a really good article on billboard about it

[1:18:18] And I think we realized and we jumped on AI music very early built a relationship with Suno and realized that this is happening huge music producers are using it there are songs right now on the top 100 that are being created with this tool but people don't know

[1:18:35] So, like, I think it's very naive to think that people don't want it and it's not happening in pop culture.

[1:18:43] I also think that the productivity and workflow, obviously, is the primary thing right now that we're seeing, that's the biggest impact in music in particular.

[1:18:55] Saying that AI is AI artists and AI music and everything is going to replace all artistry and everything around an artist.

[1:19:03] I think that part is probably naive, because in music film, TV, et cetera, but music in particular,

[1:19:11] there's a level of emotionality that I think other forums may not have as much.

[1:19:17] There's memory and attached to musicality, and I think diminishing that piece of the artistry.

[1:19:25] Again, I'm speaking about music in particular.

[1:19:27] diminishing that a single kind of AI tool or replaceability,

[1:19:34] removes the elements of music that make us love music to begin with.

[1:19:40] Going to concerts, we all remember the first CD we bought.

[1:19:44] All of those things, yes, AI will probably,

[1:19:47] is currently and will continue to expedite the productivity

[1:19:53] and the production around it,

[1:19:54] but they're still a very fundamental core component of music.

[1:20:00] That will take a while to replace.

[1:20:03] I totally agree, and that's exciting to hear, because I want us to stick around, you know?

[1:20:09] Like us, us humans. I'm rooting for us.

[1:20:14] Because, yeah, I mean, the emotion part of it, but also just the human connection, trust part of it.

[1:20:21] Like I know, during COVID, there was like a big social media switch-up where people went from very highly produced videos

[1:20:29] was to just sitting in front of their camera and singing

[1:20:31] with the phone mic or whatever.

[1:20:33] And it's like, I think we went from like,

[1:20:37] real to now we're like, even,

[1:20:39] or we went from like very edited to very real.

[1:20:42] And now we're like kind of playing around with this AI,

[1:20:45] like, super not just us in front of the camera thing.

[1:20:48] And it's interesting to see where it goes,

[1:20:51] because like, soon I'll for me, like my music supervisor

[1:20:55] is here in the balcony.

[1:20:57] And you shout out to Andy and Beta Patrol,

[1:20:59] but we were working on a Barbie commercial this week.

[1:21:02] And it's like, I'll go to Suna and listen to something

[1:21:05] just different.

[1:21:06] And just see, oh, I'm kind of like that.

[1:21:08] Hi, hot rhythm.

[1:21:09] What I've ever like, I'll replace what I have right now

[1:21:12] and do something like that and use it as inspiration.

[1:21:15] But at the end of the day, I think our human minds

[1:21:19] can't be replaced like that.

[1:21:20] So it's really exciting to hear that you have that same view.

[1:21:25] and that it is about that human emotion at the end of the day.

[1:21:30] Okay, so I do want to circle back to the finance part of it.

[1:21:34] How are you helping artists tap into certain revenues,

[1:21:38] streams online right now that otherwise wouldn't be tapped into?

[1:21:44] Because we need a monetized human stuff, you know?

[1:21:46] like my dad said, if it doesn't make money, it's a hobby.

[1:21:54] That's true. It didn't make that up.

[1:21:57] How are we, so we identified during COVID in opportunity

[1:22:01] that what existed in maximizing content revenue

[1:22:05] for artists, big artists, huge artists that everyone knows

[1:22:11] were not, and again, it's not that these labels or distributors

[1:22:16] we're doing it incorrectly, it's just they are worried about so much and we saw this opportunity

[1:22:21] to think about monetizing video content, audio content, music publishing content, how to

[1:22:30] track, collect, and create transparency because historically I'm not super familiar on the

[1:22:37] like the film side, but on music being muddied and gray was a business strategy, right?

[1:22:45] So I think one of the royalty statements are very hard to decipher and read,

[1:22:52] and you get them who knows whatever increment of time.

[1:22:56] So transparency around especially the accounting reporting and finance element for our business was first and foremost.

[1:23:03] So if you can't do that, you shouldn't be in it, you know.

[1:23:07] Correct.

[1:23:08] So what's the question AI in finance or just finance, is it?

[1:23:12] Well, just like the streams of revenue that you are helping clients tap into.

[1:23:16] Yes, so again, now we're living in a world where digital, for an artist, even though the sentiment is that payouts are lower, which is true, much lower than selling a physical product, in theory, there's infinite scale.

[1:23:33] So that's how we really thought about the monetization and the tools that we built was

[1:23:39] infinite scale and compounding, compounding someone's work.

[1:23:46] So historically, Donna's an artist, she releases an album, historically, you release an

[1:23:52] album once and maybe you do a music video, a layered video, and a deluxe version, and

[1:23:58] That's it.

[1:23:59] We look at that as an opportunity with various permutations and ways that you can put together

[1:24:05] that same album and repackage it for a different audience.

[1:24:10] So for a lot of our clients, we're releasing content in 10, 12, 15 different ways, and then

[1:24:17] we're able to track it and create exponential value and transparency.

[1:24:23] Interesting. I do want to talk about the one thing you said about the soonow tracks being like major

[1:24:31] alas producers are using this. Isn't that illegal nightmare though? Because they don't own the

[1:24:35] copyright done, right? It doesn't soonow?

[1:24:40] I don't think so. I've debate right now is in the

[1:24:46] so if I use soonow and I write lyrics, I own the music publishing, but the master recording because

[1:24:53] as it's AI technically and maybe the law has changed, anyone can rip me off, right?

[1:24:58] But if I wrote...

[1:25:00] The lyrics for the melody, the publishing, the composition, side of the copyright. I would then be entitled to that, but technically, and again, the laws evolving.

[1:25:12] But, but again, it's more about workflow than saying, hey, I'm going to make an AI song and put it out, because anyone can. It's more about, hey, I'm an incredible producer, and I can make 10 unbelievable songs a month.

[1:25:25] With Suno, I can now create 10 ideas in our

[1:25:30] Pull from it and get influenced and then maybe I come up with a really cool melody that I then like you write three parts of of the stems and you sing into it

[1:25:40] And it turns into a trumpet solo for example like that level of

[1:25:46] Productivity is

[1:25:47] Obviously unprecedented and just like expedites

[1:25:51] And I think that again on AI is if you embrace it and you look at it and you learn from it,

[1:25:59] you still have to have taste, right?

[1:26:01] Like that's the element of AI is like anybody here can come up with a song, a video, whatever.

[1:26:09] But if you have taste and a vision and you can take from it and pull it and build, that's what I think those are the people that are most successful.

[1:26:16] Yeah, using as an integration efficiency tool, yeah, but if I'm going to make AI songs, anyone can do that.

[1:26:25] Right. And they're not necessarily, I mean, well, they're not good yet. I don't know. I mean, I think you're getting better.

[1:26:30] It's pretty convincing. I mean, I mean, it's scary.

[1:26:32] From that point, and again, debatable, but from a trend standpoint, there's likely going to be so like a huge barrage of garbage,

[1:26:43] That then we're going to start evolving towards more curation because we kind of have to and there's so much content

[1:26:50] that we're going to need it filtered again, and then it'll be the MTV era all over again.

[1:26:56] So we're going in cycles really, my opinion.

[1:27:01] How about in the gaming world, Cody?

[1:27:02] What are we looking at in that world with AI?

[1:27:06] I think mostly the same to be honest.

[1:27:10] There's a little bit of difference in games in that the majority of platforms and where players

[1:27:15] are kind of consolidated already and they're owned by either the Engines Spear, which

[1:27:20] is mean like an Unreal Engine or a Roblox Engine that requires additional layers of complexity

[1:27:26] to actually get involved with.

[1:27:27] But those Engines are building AI capabilities into them right now, so I think same timeline

[1:27:32] may be a little bit longer.

[1:27:33] You'll start to see a similar problem, show up.

[1:27:37] which then, again, probably pushes you out into a more curated experience.

[1:27:43] I think ultimately the biggest challenge in all of this is making your voice heard,

[1:27:49] not like my voice heard, but your content heard.

[1:27:52] So distribution is still the biggest problem for every kind of media layer.

[1:27:57] If we can figure out a more tailored solution through either, then all bets are off.

[1:28:02] We'll see how fast everybody can ship something, so.

[1:28:06] I think the one thing I will say about games, that's a beautiful ringtone, by the way, I really love that.

[1:28:11] Praise the Lord.

[1:28:15] The one thing I can say about games is what we're seeing right now in game development,

[1:28:19] and we were talking about this beforehand before we even got started,

[1:28:23] but web browser games are coming up big now.

[1:28:25] And the reason the web browser games are coming up big is that anybody can now make a game that's like an Nintendo,

[1:28:30] They're not even in 10 or 64.

[1:28:32] Like in Nintendo, we're super Nintendo quality,

[1:28:35] pop it on a web browser, and anybody can pick it up and play it.

[1:28:38] And you'll see things like that popping up

[1:28:39] and Instagram and TikTok, and they'll be more interactive

[1:28:42] entertainment from that.

[1:28:44] That's a new medium for games.

[1:28:45] That's not what the future for the past has had.

[1:28:48] So we'll see a lot of that grow up too,

[1:28:49] which I think is pretty cool.

[1:28:51] I'd prefer to see humans do it,

[1:28:52] but it is pretty cool that we're seeing that come up so fast.

[1:28:55] So it kind of sounds like what happened in music a little bit

[1:28:58] where it started getting really saturated

[1:28:59] because of just the easeability of being able to create.

[1:29:03] Yeah, it definitely is, I mean, I'll use Roblox as an example.

[1:29:08] Their CEO hopped up on stage a couple of months ago and said,

[1:29:11] hey, we are building this engine to be AI first.

[1:29:14] I mean, they want to hire anybody to be able to come in,

[1:29:17] prompt a little bit and build a world.

[1:29:19] So, and I think that's a really cool vision.

[1:29:21] It would be interesting to see what creativity comes out of that.

[1:29:26] What about in a film, Alan?

[1:29:28] What are we looking at as far as visual effects?

[1:29:30] like our people being replaced or is it just becoming a thing where it's part of the workflow that you just have to learn how to use these

[1:29:40] AI software is to make this faster and is the pace picking up?

[1:29:46] Yeah, it is and I mean ultimately we get into a lot of kind of sticky areas here where look,

[1:29:56] You know, the theater, the ethical release is dead. I'm gonna.

[1:30:00] I can say that, and you can chase me around the parking lot with torches and pick forth, forth, forth.

[1:30:05] But the ethical releases for all intents and purposes to add, and ultimately Netflix won the streaming

[1:30:14] wars. And so this question of monetization becomes really, really critical. But the idea that, like, yeah, is it

[1:30:22] replacing people? Visual effects was always an absolutely terrible business. It's really not a business.

[1:30:29] it's really a hobby. And ultimately the thing is that it's already getting rid of a huge

[1:30:36] layer. AI is already getting rid of a huge layer. Like for a long time we've been outsourcing

[1:30:41] to India and to China and for rotoscoping and for paint work and for what's known as match

[1:30:46] moving and things like that. And that layer is already gone. And so ultimately this operational

[1:30:53] tempo that you're kind of describing, which is essentially people are, you know, it's Hollywood.

[1:30:58] but it's not now, it's basically, that's what we always used to say.

[1:31:03] And so ultimately, that operational tempo is not slowing down, it's increasing, and AI is the real key to that.

[1:31:11] And so within specifically visual effects, ultimately, it's already hollowed out a huge portion of the thing.

[1:31:19] But look, the bottom line is, if your kids or your brothers or sisters want to get into visual effects,

[1:31:25] Slap them across the face and tell them Alan Lasky sent that. Okay, just don't get involved.

[1:31:33] It's a terrible business. And so ultimately, yeah, is AI going to, it's already done.

[1:31:40] But if you can, here's what you can do. If you learn AI and you can beat out sort of, you know, one man band who can do a lot of stuff.

[1:31:48] And that's sort of what I've been doing. It's teaching myself all the different tools.

[1:31:51] then you have a chance of doing something, but, you know, can you make money?

[1:31:55] That's a different story.

[1:31:57] Well, what part of the industry is do you see flourishing right now?

[1:32:03] Here in our, you know, there's people doing really interesting stuff with AI, and I think

[1:32:09] the really kind of, you know, I don't want to be Debbie Downer, you know, like I don't want

[1:32:14] to be that person, but the thing is that ultimately I've been doing a lot of my own sort

[1:32:19] film stuff and using Suno to create the music so I don't have to get content strikes on YouTube

[1:32:24] and things like that. And ultimately, when you go out past the 30 miles zone here in past

[1:32:30] CAA and Warner Brothers in Disney and all the sort of people that we've been kind of

[1:32:37] holding to for so many years, there's a lot of really talented people out there. And the big

[1:32:43] question is, how do we monetize that, right?

[1:32:47] Because that's not YouTube.

[1:32:49] We're not going to be streaming, you know, to a certain extent.

[1:32:52] And so the big question for us in film is, how do we monetize?

[1:32:57] It's changed that much.

[1:32:59] 100% and look, I just, you know, who the door brothers are?

[1:33:03] Do you guys know who that is?

[1:33:04] So I just entered the door brothers' contest for their film,

[1:33:07] just to see what other people were doing.

[1:33:09] Oh my God, there are people in South America

[1:33:12] in Africa, all over the place who have now gotten the gatekeeping has blown the idea that

[1:33:20] you have to be some, you know, a connected Nepo baby to get in to tell stories doesn't exist

[1:33:28] anymore.

[1:33:29] And it's great.

[1:33:30] That wall is breaking down really fast.

[1:33:32] There's some very talented people out there, really good storytellers.

[1:33:38] Wow, I mean, we go from music to gaming to film.

[1:33:43] It just sounds like we have the tools at the tip of our fingers to make really cool things

[1:33:51] in such a different way now.

[1:33:54] I mean, it's amazing actually, and I'm encouraged that we use it for good and for art

[1:34:01] in a way that continues to shape culture, because I know for me that's why I became

[1:34:06] artists, it's like, I don't, I believe in humanity and I want us to remember that humanity,

[1:34:14] that's what I think art does. It reflects back who we are. So, on a local basis, here in

[1:34:21] Burbank, all that any of you have happened on this, where do you think we need to be focusing?

[1:34:27] How can we keep things local? How can we keep things in person? How can we keep media strong

[1:34:33] and the community here flourishing.

[1:34:37] Mind if I take that one or for a minute.

[1:34:39] Well, we talked about this a little bit

[1:34:40] when we were talking about Burbank.

[1:34:43] And you guys remember Burbank was where the skunk works was.

[1:34:46] This is where Kelly Johnson invented the SR-71, the P38.

[1:34:52] This area has a history of innovation that's really strong.

[1:34:57] And I will now, the young lady who represented Burbank.

[1:35:01] All this has left for building, but ultimately the thing is I would love to see some kind of financial incubation happen for, you know, new projects like new AI projects, new music, new video game projects here, you know, that could essentially foster innovation.

[1:35:19] I like the sound of that.

[1:35:20] I'd be a pipe dream, but.

[1:35:22] So what we do in the start of tech world, why not?

[1:35:29] What can we do here?

[1:35:34] Yeah, I think that, again, it's just fostering innovation, because

[1:35:41] we're, personally, I don't want to speak for Donna, but I am so bullish on AI and

[1:35:47] technology as a whole, and have been our whole business.

[1:35:51] Right, again, I was an artist, I got into electronic music.

[1:35:54] The genre itself is about pushing the boundaries of technology.

[1:35:59] So I think from a creative services space, we have to reimagine what the future looks like, and it,

[1:36:09] to me, music is becoming like the producer now has more leverage and power than ever,

[1:36:15] because if you have great ideas and you know how to articulate and you can use the tools,

[1:36:19] your output can become better and you can work with artists and create stuff historically, you couldn't do.

[1:36:26] And I think that's, again, it democratizes access, but then you need taste, then you need

[1:36:33] to teach taste, and it's about going back to Donna's point, curation and pulling back, like

[1:36:39] less is more in this digital era.

[1:36:42] And if you can create a culture and a community that teaches that, because they don't teach

[1:36:48] that in traditional education, I think you'll be a lot more successful, not only here, but

[1:36:54] you'll produce people who are more successful in life.

[1:36:58] What do you mean by less is more, sorry?

[1:37:02] This is a Donna quote.

[1:37:04] But I think we live in an era now

[1:37:07] of like more content, more if we're running a marketing campaign.

[1:37:10] More, we need 10,000 pieces of content.

[1:37:14] When in reality, you'd be more impactful

[1:37:16] with 100 really good ones, right?

[1:37:20] Or Netflix, every time I open Netflix,

[1:37:22] it's like 90% bullshit.

[1:37:24] But 8% stuff I've seen already, 1% of something that I actually watched through, it's like

[1:37:32] a joke I've never finished anything because it's just crap, right?

[1:37:35] So if we spent more effort on teaching quality because we live in a culture and society

[1:37:42] now of short cuts, that, and again saying, hey, technology is the lubricant to getting

[1:37:50] their faster. It's not, I'm stealing your line. It's not a shortcut. What's the, what's

[1:37:56] the line? Yeah. It's a good one. It's the lubricant. We, we don't cut corners, but we

[1:38:03] encourage, yeah. No cutting corners, but getting their faster and in a more productive way

[1:38:10] is what we're talking about. Yeah. So to sum it up, I think if you, because there, it is a

[1:38:17] LA in general attracts creative people from all over the world. Now it's up to like

[1:38:22] saying, hey, whatever era we're in, 3.0, 4.0 is a different mindset. If we're

[1:38:28] trying to romanticize an era that is dead, MTV shut its doors, right, on video

[1:38:33] content yesterday. Great. It was awesome. It was super important part of my life, but

[1:38:38] it's not the future. And you have to accept that. And I think like the entertainment

[1:38:44] industry as a whole and it's all I've known. I was assigned to a major. I managed artists on

[1:38:49] majors and we still work with it. Traditionally likes to look in the past but instead of looking

[1:38:55] the future and I think culturally we have to create an environment to foster that mindset.

[1:39:02] In a way it's going to go ahead. I was going to say I also think in general it goes back to the

[1:39:13] mastery and mastery is simplicity.

[1:39:15] And what we always say, it goes back to the barrage of content

[1:39:20] and the voluminousness of content through AI and otherwise,

[1:39:25] is going to foster an era of needing to pull back,

[1:39:30] like take off that accessory, that one accessory before you leave

[1:39:33] your house, look in the mirror, take off the earring.

[1:39:36] It's kind of that concept because when there's an inundation

[1:39:40] And there's a lack of inherent quote-unquote quality with it.

[1:39:45] It's time for the pullback, it's time for the more curated experience.

[1:39:49] And that's what audiences will want, and it adds and flows, and trends go up and down.

[1:39:54] So I think when there's a barrage, there's a corresponding pullback.

[1:40:00] Well, as a millennial, I'm so here for that. Oh my gosh, do you guys remember when the artist release was a thing like the countdown to the release dip? I want that back. I want less is more again. Okay, I'm here for it. What about you, Cody? What do you think is keeping us here at local community together all the things?

[1:40:17] It's kind of funny. I'm listening to this and I think about it from I'm going to think about it from a game's perspective.

[1:40:24] I don't know if a lot of people know that, but games as a whole from an industry perspective

[1:40:29] is very West Coast, West Coast, California, Seattle, like up and down the coast, and over

[1:40:35] the last five years, China Vietnam, like even India right now, are taking a lot of the work

[1:40:42] that was done in the West Coast, over overseas, and showing up, like you're going to see

[1:40:48] it in all the distribution channels, most of the games that are doing really, really well,

[1:40:52] have some kind of broad globalization tied to them.

[1:40:55] And I think to bring that type of business back

[1:40:59] to where we are today.

[1:41:02] And I think that's a very tough thing to do.

[1:41:04] But I think if you're going to try and do that,

[1:41:06] you have to call to the a protective area of creativity

[1:41:10] that we're talking about in almost cost-effective way.

[1:41:14] Because we're losing on cost right now.

[1:41:16] We're like five times more expensive

[1:41:17] to develop anything in Los Angeles.

[1:41:19] like it's it's kind of absurd. But there's comes with that a lot of inefficiencies. There's

[1:41:25] come with a lot of like money ball policies basically down to the lowest common denominator.

[1:41:31] And I think there is a room here to bring that talent into new exploration and taking bigger risks.

[1:41:38] Now we haven't done in the last 10 years. Use the new tools that we have. Let people run free

[1:41:44] with them and give them to space to deliver and make that space perfect make that space in

[1:41:49] Monica make that space LA and I I really think there's an opportunity to do that if we can kind

[1:41:55] of get out of that cycle of lowest common denominator wins so there's not I don't think there's a

[1:42:00] better place in the entire world from a talent perspective than where we are right now especially

[1:42:06] in the games industry and in the movie industry and music, right?

[1:42:11] So finding the actual municipalities to support that is a huge, would be huge.

[1:42:17] I also think that we have over time kind of moved away locally, even, have moved away from

[1:42:25] this sentiment of experimentation.

[1:42:28] It's become a kind of rinse and repeat.

[1:42:30] What's worked, let's do the same thing over and over again, and love the Marvel universe, but it's basically that in a lot of ways.

[1:42:42] And the entertainment industry inherently was designed for experimentation and pushing boundaries.

[1:42:49] And we've moved very far away from that.

[1:42:52] And ever, nobody wants to lose their job, I understand.

[1:42:56] But if the experiment goes wrong, and you

[1:42:59] were the ideator of it, it's a bad look.

[1:43:02] But I think removing that just even a little bit

[1:43:06] allows people to feel freedom to experiment.

[1:43:11] And that's kind of why the entertainment industry

[1:43:15] exists to begin with.

[1:43:17] And I think starting that sentiment locally, et cetera,

[1:43:21] Will help tremendously. I agree with that profoundly. I come from a product management background in and product management has become

[1:43:31] Reduced risk at all costs to make the most money off of like the sponge squeezing right and I think what misses is that last step in

[1:43:39] Hey, I'm going to give you the information of where you should maybe go from a strategic perspective, but creatively

[1:43:45] like take it and run with it, and do something amazing, and if it fails, cool, at least we did all the risk assessment at front, so we know where we're going to fall, if we fall, so I think that's missing, and we've lost that, and we can bring that back for sure.

[1:43:58] Yeah, I mean, that's any business risk startup. It's like, you don't know, there's no guarantee, so maybe we got a little comfortable in the process, it sounds like, and it's time to switch it up.

[1:44:10] What do you think out?

[1:44:10] Yeah, I mean, to me, look, and don't please don't think that I'm anti-union or anything like that.

[1:44:16] I was an IATSC member for years, but that's the one of the ice walls that we're facing right now.

[1:44:24] Unfortunately, like, the thing is that there's this sense that, and, you know, look, I always use the Bronze Age collapse as the metaphor for this,

[1:44:32] where we've had a total systemic collapse, and ultimately, you talk to any producer, and they will tell you,

[1:44:39] are you kidding me, shooting in LA? You're insane.

[1:44:45] They're literally, we're not going to ever do it again, considering the costs.

[1:44:50] And so ultimately the thing is that we've hit a wall and that sort of wall, it has to break down,

[1:44:58] but I don't know.

[1:45:00] I know how to do it unless people die. They just got to die off. I know that sounds horrible, but there's got to be this kind of layer that dies off because, you know, I talked to people that I've worked with for years who were in the local 600 camera union and the local 80 grips and local 44 and all of that kind of stuff.

[1:45:21] And look, I know these people really well, but the bottom line is that, you know, that world doesn't exist anymore.

[1:45:28] And you and I had the discussion about the Yamada, the Japanese battleship that they built in World War II, that they set sail, that was literally obsolete by the time it hit the water.

[1:45:39] And I always tell people who want to do this job, don't be the deck gun coordinator on the Yamada.

[1:45:46] You're fighting your honest ship and you're fighting a war that doesn't exist anymore.

[1:45:52] And of course, that's why I'm chased around the parking lot with, you know, torches and pit tracks because I'm trying to to be as, you know, kind of realistic as I can about this.

[1:46:02] And ultimately, I'm trying to, you know, it's a bitter pill to swallow.

[1:46:05] I don't like it any better than anybody else.

[1:46:07] But we have to metabolize that.

[1:46:10] I mean, it sounds kind of exciting for independent creators, despite the potential lack of funding.

[1:46:18] But if the machine is struggling right now, then there may be a gap for independent creators to come in and create at that level, potentially using AI, and maybe kind of replace this unionized centralized industry to a more creative independent.

[1:46:39] And you know, look, I spoke at another Burbank thing a couple of months ago that was run by the city of Burbank as well with the, it was run by actually by the library of Burbank with the world's most loony and he was the great guy,

[1:46:56] the library, but we had a, but this came up and looked, the bottom line is we had a whole panel on about kind of keeping work here with local government and all of that kind of stuff.

[1:47:07] There's got to be a kind of governmental sort of, there has to be a local government and kind of, you know, really sort of, you know, city of Burbank, city of L.A., you know,

[1:47:18] not just Governor Newsom giving us $750 million in tax incentives, that's not going, you

[1:47:24] know, great, so we can pay, you know, we can do the same thing again over and over, we

[1:47:30] can make another spider man. People like spider man, but, you know, look, I mean, the bottom line

[1:47:38] is that that's dying. Okay, so little lightning round, let's rob this up. I'd be curious,

[1:47:45] It's just in a sentence or two, a bold prediction or a opinion of what you did coming

[1:47:51] with the last five years.

[1:47:59] Wait, I want to make one quick comment on the independent thing, from a music perspective.

[1:48:04] Okay, yeah.

[1:48:06] Independent music is growing in terms of market share in the music industry, right?

[1:48:13] I think it's a combination of sheer release volume and just focusing more on our traditional

[1:48:19] traditional record labels, but the risk that comes with that is the artist then has to

[1:48:26] that out here and then if you're assigned to a major label. Right, so all of a sudden and we have a couple

[1:48:32] very big independent artists who are have fallen into structures and it's a different mindset. So I think

[1:48:41] that you hear like, oh, independent artists are thriving or they're not thriving, but I could be successful.

[1:48:46] It's a completely different mindset, and I think it's really important to acknowledge that, right?

[1:48:52] Because that's a big deal, like you have to assemble a team that can then manage your infrastructure

[1:48:59] as a business, not just be an artist, and that's a completely different mindset.

[1:49:05] So what do you think in the little sentence five years now, what the artist's trajectory is going to look like?

[1:49:15] That is a very tough question.

[1:49:17] I think, unfortunately, the artist cycle has become shorter because you have to be a marketer

[1:49:23] and artist.

[1:49:24] You have to be everything and fans forget about you quickly unless you're really prolific

[1:49:30] and you are really, really tendric Lamar, Adele, et cetera.

[1:49:33] I can go away, put out an incredible body of our concept to it, but that's like the top

[1:49:38] of the top.

[1:49:39] I think that we're going to continue to see a lot of, like last year, it was one of the best years of breakout artists.

[1:49:46] If you watch that Grammys, it was unbelievable, Shappel-Rone, Benson Boone, Sabrina Carpenter, Teddy Sway, it was like, dochi, it was unbelievable.

[1:49:55] So I think artistry is thriving and the tools and but unfortunately.

[1:50:00] I think the career cycle is shorter. And we have to think about empowering that and helping you, you know, create and stay relevant and not have to be so stressed out like, oh, I have to drop a song every six weeks because that's what you do, you know.

[1:50:18] Yes, as far as from a music standpoint, I think, again, ebs and flows, I think we're

[1:50:26] going to go back to the era of the Madonna's and the Lady Gaga's who create worlds

[1:50:34] around their personas, and that, again, fosters the longevity of career.

[1:50:42] it fosters the duration of their album cycles and their single cycles.

[1:50:49] In no world, or hits any less valuable, the hits are the things that kind of keep the lights on,

[1:50:56] but ultimately creating worlds and having fans that are committed and dedicated

[1:51:04] and interested in you and read the liner notes, remember that?

[1:51:08] That I think is going to come back because we've been inundated with the tick-tock singles and

[1:51:16] The artists don't always match the hits and we want to go back to that and people are craving it

[1:51:23] Yay, I love that prediction. Okay, and then what about in the game world anything crazy coming up you think I think only crazy is coming up

[1:51:32] I guess I've already do it in one sentence

[1:51:34] I think you can see a lot of new IPs from smaller teams that publish and distribute along geo-political clients.

[1:51:44] So a lot of relationships across borders, very specific relationships across putters.

[1:51:49] And then the teams that really nail micro audiences are going to be the ones that succeed.

[1:51:57] And then they will get gobbled up by the big ones.

[1:51:59] I think a lot of consolidation.

[1:52:00] And that's, for games, games is kind of, no offense to the rest of you guys, games is kind of winning right now in terms of media dollars.

[1:52:09] I think you see a lot of big game publishers acting as M&A and buying up a lot of entertainment across the globe.

[1:52:18] So, I'm excited for that, working in games, but it's going to be an interesting time, for sure.

[1:52:27] You want my prediction in film or?

[1:52:28] Yes, sir.

[1:52:30] Or not.

[1:52:32] Well, I think ultimately the reality here is that we don't need to be the amazing

[1:52:38] crescan because the first part of this has already happened.

[1:52:42] It's collapsing right now.

[1:52:44] I mean, if someone had told me a couple of months ago that Warner Brothers would be up

[1:52:51] for sale, and Disney would be crashing and all that I would say, are you insane, you're

[1:52:58] high?

[1:52:58] Um, you know, there's no way that's going to happen, but it is happening right now.

[1:53:02] It's weird literally in the middle of it right now, but you know, the thing that makes

[1:53:06] me excited as all the seeing the pockets of really crazy sort of gorilla warfare, one

[1:53:13] that I really love is the idea that, do you guys watch flow, though, the, um, have you seen

[1:53:19] flow?

[1:53:19] You know what I'm talking about?

[1:53:20] It's the Latvian animated movie that two dudes made that won the Academy Award for Best

[1:53:26] animated picture and they used open source software called Blender to do it. And they

[1:53:32] won the Academy Award. It's an amazing film. I would highly recommend that you

[1:53:37] watch it. That's going to be the future. And what I love about this is that the

[1:53:42] gatekeeping is starting to break down. The gatekeeping to essentially making

[1:53:48] and distributing content is breaking down. And that's the most exciting thing

[1:53:52] Because I mean, you guys, you know, you can't get a meeting with, you know, some of these people to pitch your idea, but now screw it.

[1:54:00] You go off and you do it yourself like these two Latvian dudes did, right?

[1:54:05] I mean, ultimately, that's what you do. And now with the rise of the really powerful AI tools,

[1:54:11] I think we're going to see some really interesting things. The big question, and of course,

[1:54:15] becomes how does it get monetized? How do you get paid for it? Because the standard distribution

[1:54:20] and channels have broken down completely.

[1:54:25] Wow, big times we live in crazy pivotal moment here.

[1:54:30] Do we have time for like a question or two

[1:54:32] because I'd be curious where everybody's heads at.

[1:54:35] We've got the guy in glasses.

[1:54:36] Okay, and we'll take two questions.

[1:54:38] And then I think our panelists have said

[1:54:41] that they will stay to answer them on your own.

[1:54:44] Introduce yourself.

[1:54:45] Yes, my name is Luis Vega.

[1:54:47] My understanding is that AI is not copy-rightable, that things that are created using AI do not necessarily belong to the art.

[1:55:01] The getty had the first AI photography exhibit and it was an issue because it was created with the usage of AI and they couldn't copyright it. Do you, are you aware of that or is that?

[1:55:15] I come from a family of intellectual property rights lawyers, so ultimately yes, I am well aware.

[1:55:21] And the thing is that ultimately if you look at some of these have you looked at like Disney versus mid-Journey or any of that's if you read these these cases

[1:55:29] Yeah, I mean these are it's good. How about how are you all or how long do you think it's gonna take to settle that one?

[1:55:40] 10 years

[1:55:41] easily and the thing is that ultimately these you know

[1:55:45] Yes, there are copyright issues and everything. But by the time those get hashed out

[1:55:50] there may be no copyright holders to sue.

[1:55:54] I mean, ultimately, we're getting into brand new territory here.

[1:55:59] So ultimately, yes, that is an issue.

[1:56:00] And certainly, people who, I don't know what direction

[1:56:03] is Disney, it's that way, right?

[1:56:05] I wonder whether it's sort of there.

[1:56:06] There is probably, there's a team of lawyers right now

[1:56:09] in those buildings with the seven dwarfs holding them up

[1:56:13] who are basically like, essentially like they're in there

[1:56:18] And that's how they're salary for, you know, you're put your kids through college using, you know, these lawsuits against mid-Journey and against, you know, open AI and all of that kind of stuff, but this isn't going to get, this may not get settled in our lifetime.

[1:56:36] I think it's extra complicated too because if I'm not mistaken, AI is obviously trained off of music. So what is it referencing to create that body of work?

[1:56:45] Yeah, how do you unwind the copyright?

[1:56:47] It's very, very tricky.

[1:56:49] So yeah, we're going to be figuring this out

[1:56:50] for a while.

[1:56:51] We have another question.

[1:56:53] Hey, guys.

[1:56:53] I'm Katta Sam's Denver comedian.

[1:56:56] So do you guys feel like a TikTok

[1:56:58] which changes the music industry forever?

[1:57:01] And they'll also fall down and answer questions.

[1:57:03] Do you guys work with Denver comedian?

[1:57:06] You guys know, like, right now, the number one song is golden

[1:57:09] from K-Poverty, Mahunter, right?

[1:57:11] So do you guys feel like animation,

[1:57:13] important like music industry in different can era as well. Thank you. I'm

[1:57:18] cat.

[1:57:23] Currently we work with all kinds of entertainers that you should

[1:57:28] answer the TikTok part of it because you have a very strong opinion and I

[1:57:32] feel like it's valuable.

[1:57:36] Was your question did TikTok change be a

[1:57:37] Yeah, hundred percent. I think TikTok's unbelievable because it it caused YouTube, right?

[1:57:48] Multi-multi-billion dollar company and Instagram meta to completely introduce products to react to TikTok.

[1:57:57] And when you think about that, that's like pretty unbelievable, right? So these giant companies are reacting to this startup and then from a music standpoint

[1:58:06] People are legitimately making songs specifically for TikTok and there's huge artists, huge songs popping up and people are producing songs or remixers that are on staff at a lot of these labels that are reediting and rearranging songs.

[1:58:25] And there's an interesting study by a company called chart metric that showed since TikTok came how it changed the length of a song the intro, the chorus, the arrangement, it's super interesting.

[1:58:38] long-term, we'll see what happens, how that impacts, where it goes, but it's changed like

[1:58:45] every record label has a viral marketing team, every label has a research person and people

[1:58:51] have, it's legitimately changed the course of music, where we're living currently is because

[1:58:58] of TikTok in music.

[1:58:59] It's unbelievable.

[1:59:04] Do you want to add to that one real quick?

[1:59:06] I think it's not just necessarily changing music.

[1:59:09] It also is like changing pretty much all entertainment, right?

[1:59:14] If I were a business student ten years from now,

[1:59:16] I would be really excited to take a case study on TikTok

[1:59:19] because it's time to market examples.

[1:59:23] TikTok dances to Fortnite.

[1:59:25] TikTok music to Fortnite dances is like an actual time to market evaluation.

[1:59:30] The faster you can get there from TikTok then is the more money you'll make

[1:59:34] or even like artists creating like just stems that can be put into like a 30 second video

[1:59:40] just because they know it's going to be a dance like that's amazing I think so

[1:59:44] we'll see what else comes out but that's the first big one I think that's really

[1:59:48] done that. Okay we have one last question. Yeah my name is Josh founder and CTO of

[1:59:59] 1

[2:00:00] Local system, the infrastructure, talked to a lot of publishers. The number one thing is that the industry

[2:00:05] is slow. There's a lot of legacy platforms when it comes to administration, publishing registration,

[2:00:11] and getting these things at scale. So when you look at a platform like Sino, that has millions of users now, there's tens of

[2:00:17] millions of things being generated daily. And we talk about 120,000 homes going into the actual music database daily. And it's kind of like a thing right now.

[2:00:26] but it's tremendously growing past

[2:00:28] the point of the legacy industry being able to handle that.

[2:00:32] But there's new thing in regards to

[2:00:34] stablecoin ecosystem infrastructure,

[2:00:37] the closest thing we have to it is looking at

[2:00:40] corn and market cap where there's plenty of value.

[2:00:42] It's being handled easily daily.

[2:00:44] You'll see Bitcoin at 60 billion to 80 billion plus

[2:00:47] volume daily so there's a lot of transactions.

[2:00:49] How do you see that ecosystem translating

[2:00:52] into the music industry and what companies do you feel

[2:00:55] Will or will not make it too bad?

[2:01:02] Good question.

[2:01:05] Yeah, I think we're witnessing a,

[2:01:08] we're not a really cool time because there are these

[2:01:10] legacy companies that have just sheer market, right?

[2:01:14] They've positioned themselves at their own the copyrights

[2:01:17] and they have so much bargaining power with the platform

[2:01:20] because ultimately it used to be tower records, right?

[2:01:24] Now it's Spotify.

[2:01:25] And if you look at the market, like the cap table of Spotify

[2:01:30] initially Warner, Sony, Universal, Tencent. There's like a crazy graph that shows four companies

[2:01:37] that control the music, controls, Spotify, etc. And unfortunately there's supply chains and a lot

[2:01:43] of things in there that were not designed for this output. Tune core, for example, is going through

[2:01:48] a huge lawsuit from UMG because it's a DIY distribution platform or anyone in here can sign up

[2:01:56] attribute music, but with that comes a lot of fraud, right?

[2:01:59] So two, of course, getting sued for $500 million

[2:02:02] because people don't have an upload and say,

[2:02:06] oh, I uploaded a reona, and I'm done, and reona's done,

[2:02:09] and that's happening at a huge scale.

[2:02:13] Um, so I think that stablecoin blockchain, all of that

[2:02:17] is incredible, but I think again, going back to what we

[2:02:20] mentioned earlier, is the elephant in the room,

[2:02:23] at least in music is the royalty accounting, right?

[2:02:29] And high level, if I'm a label,

[2:02:32] I'm essentially a bank offering an artist

[2:02:34] a very, very high interest loan.

[2:02:36] So it's in my best interest to spend money,

[2:02:39] keep them underwater, and recruit at a huge rate,

[2:02:41] 180% return on a loan.

[2:02:45] So I think in theory what you're saying is accurate.

[2:02:48] And that's what we are building our business,

[2:02:51] our royalty model, and we're paying out tens of millions

[2:02:53] of dollars to artists through super transparent ways, but on a monthly basis, right, most labels

[2:03:03] or distributors pay to you quarterly.

[2:03:05] So I think that it has to happen, I think it can happen in the independent sector.

[2:03:10] But I think the gatekeeper in that old system you referred to, it's not in their business model

[2:03:17] to be transparent and they're publicly traded.

[2:03:19] So now they're concerned about profitability.

[2:03:24] So it's super complicated.

[2:03:26] It's like such a complicated.

[2:03:28] So what we have to do is allow independent companies and

[2:03:31] musicians to thrive because if we as independent companies

[2:03:35] can get enough markets here and come together

[2:03:38] and force this change, then it'll happen.

[2:03:41] But I think I'm right with you, man.

[2:03:43] But they don't want that, right?

[2:03:46] Like, people go to, when I was in my band,

[2:03:48] I remember getting a statement and we moved to the UK and we met with our business manager and we're

[2:03:56] going over our statements and there were like $800 dinners built to us that we are paying 50%

[2:04:04] or coup. So 50% on top of the 800 right and then we started doing the math and that's what I realize

[2:04:11] I'm not, I'm not being an artist, is not in my best career interest because we're going to

[2:04:18] have to make like $10 million before we see our first dollar because of the way it's built,

[2:04:24] and we never approve these marketing expenses, et cetera, but that stable coin system you

[2:04:29] mentioned, I think that's the future of it. Great answer. I love this talk. I'm so glad we had this

[2:04:36] day. I want to invite Neil up because he organized all of this and he's the one that builds

[2:04:42] communities and brings people together with an industry's take it away. Thank you so much

[2:04:47] for having us.

[2:04:52] Thank you. Let's give another hand for our panel.

[2:05:00] Yeah, I'm Neil with residents, I partners. We put, we convene innovation communities just like this and I think some of the biggest things we heard of just how much change is happening. The biggest thing to do is show up and share with each other so that we kind of are level selling with each other and sharing knowledge quicker because change is happening so fast. So kudos to all of you for coming out tonight. We convene actually on a almost monthly basis now for the city of Burbank and so our next event is November 19th and it's

[2:05:30] a pure happy hour for start-up burbank.

[2:05:34] We'll send an email out of where it is,

[2:05:36] but November 19th is our next event.

[2:05:38] And then we take a pause in December,

[2:05:39] but we're back in January.

[2:05:41] So thank you all for coming out.

[2:05:43] We still have food and drink over there.

[2:05:45] Feel free to, if you got a question,

[2:05:47] still lingering, you want to ask the panelists.

[2:05:49] Thanks for coming out, and we'll see you again soon.

[2:05:50] Cheers everyone.

[3:01:29] Mr. Chair of the Burbank Glendale Passina Airport Authority, roll call, please.

[3:01:36] Commissioner Hampton.

[3:01:37] Bless and honor to be here.

[3:01:39] Commissioner Quintaro.

[3:01:40] Here.

[3:01:40] Commissioner Overham.

[3:01:42] Commissioner Satryan.

[3:01:45] Commissioner Lion.

[3:01:48] Commissioner Brottman.

[3:01:49] Commissioner Talmontess.

[3:01:51] Present.

[3:01:52] Commissioner Wilson.

[3:01:53] Here.

[3:01:53] Commissioner Gable Ready.

[3:01:54] Here. Thank you.

[3:01:55] Commissioner Brottman, would you leave us in the pledge?

[3:01:59] Please, please place your right hand over your heart and repeat after me.

[3:02:04] All right, please.

[3:02:06] This is the last of the United States of America.

[3:02:09] And to the Republic for what stands.

[3:02:11] Well, a nation, America, individual, whatever it is, just as for all.

[3:02:21] We also have a Commissioner of Satrin Online with us.

[3:02:27] Hi, everyone.

[3:02:28] Good morning.

[3:02:32] We will go to the approval of the agenda.

[3:02:36] We have a motion to approve the leader.

[3:02:38] We have a motion to second all in favor.

[3:02:41] Hi.

[3:02:42] Hi.

[3:02:43] Perfect.

[3:02:44] Oh, I have to do a roll call, sorry.

[3:02:47] Commissioner Hampton.

[3:02:48] Yes.

[3:02:48] Commissioner Quintarel.

[3:02:49] Yes.

[3:02:49] Commissioner Overem.

[3:02:51] Commissioner Satryan.

[3:02:55] Thank you.

[3:02:56] Commissioner Lyon.

[3:02:58] Commissioner Rotman.

[3:02:58] Yes.

[3:02:58] Commissioner Wilson.

[3:03:01] Thank you.

[3:03:02] Thank you. We will move to public comment.

[3:03:09] We have seven or eight people to speak on an item that is not on the agenda this morning.

[3:03:17] First of all, we have strong martins.

[3:03:24] Two minutes.

[3:03:28] Good morning. My name is strong martins. I'm an employee here at the Burbank airport.

[3:03:32] And I'm speaking on behalf of myself and the rest of the employees here at the airport.

[3:03:38] This includes our ramp staff, our cleaning staff, shuttle drivers, everyone who makes this

[3:03:43] airport run smoothly.

[3:03:45] Many of which do so, I'd only $17 an hour, as many of you know, or might not know that

[3:03:52] LA County has implemented a Olympic wage ordinance.

[3:03:57] This means, over the next few years, all of the employees at their airports, including

[3:04:01] Van Eyes are going to be earning $30 an hour.

[3:04:05] I know that the city of Pasadena has also

[3:04:08] recognized the increased cost of living in Southern California

[3:04:11] raising their minimum wage to 1850, which

[3:04:14] in wage.

[3:04:15] And additionally, Flendell, who's also

[3:04:17] member of this hotel workers rate wages up to $25 an hour.

[3:04:24] All this is to be said that the city of Burbank is still

[3:04:29] sitting at the bear more for their employees.

[3:04:33] And the cost of living according to MIT's estimations for the greater loss must bring

[3:04:38] in $64,000 a year to have the bear minimum covered.

[3:04:43] At this time, anyone making $17 an hour not even close at roughly 34.

[3:05:01] We're asking for all of you today to sign a letter of support that we can then take to the Berbank City Council and ask for an ordinance to raise the living wage for airport workers and those supporting the tourism industry.

[3:05:16] Berbank airport brings them 15 million a year. We're opening a brand new terminal. There's absolutely no reason why a top tier airport should have second tier workers in their wages.

[3:05:27] In signing today, we see that you acknowledge us, the workforce and value are commitment

[3:05:34] to you, and we'll cost no money to this airport, but bring all the value in the world

[3:05:39] for its workers.

[3:05:41] And the airport as a whole.

[3:05:42] Thank you.

[3:05:47] Next, we have La Sanjaro, Presa.

[3:06:01] Good morning, commissioners.

[3:06:02] My name is La Sanjaro, Presa.

[3:06:04] And I am with United Local 11.

[3:06:06] Workers at Hatsau will soon be receiving a wage increase to $24 an hour.

[3:06:11] free full-time, free full-family healthcare, illegal fund, and more. Those are the kinds of employment

[3:06:17] terms that create workforce stability that translates to quality service at the airport,

[3:06:22] and economically uplifted people in all of our communities. With Marshall Retail Group,

[3:06:27] slated to take over the retail, I am here because we're concerned Marshall may not be seeking to

[3:06:32] retain all the workers. Where perplexed to why that may be. The current Hudson workers have the

[3:06:38] experience and knowledge to continue to serve these airport well. This is also an expansion

[3:06:44] of business for Marshall. We believe they will need more employees than those that Hudson current

[3:06:49] has. Our Union urges that airport authority to make it clear that Marshall should retain all

[3:06:55] these workers. Thank you.

[3:07:00] Next we have Erin Rama. I'm sorry. I'm going to watch your name. Erin

[3:07:10] I'd like to note that Commissioner Lyon has joined us.

[3:07:17] Good morning, commissioners.

[3:07:19] My name is Arun Ramakrishna, and I'm here with you night here at local 11.

[3:07:23] Marshall Retail Group will soon take over the retail operations at Hudson.

[3:07:27] As that transition moves forward, we ask the commission and airport staff to make work

[3:07:32] horse stability a clear priority with the new concessionaire.

[3:07:36] The current workers know this airport understand the passengers and even know the regulators,

[3:07:40] and importantly, have the experience needed to ensure continuity of service.

[3:07:45] Preserving that workforce will help give the incoming operator the strongest possible start.

[3:07:50] We hope this transition will build upon the progress already made and maintain the stability

[3:07:54] that benefits workers, passengers, and the entire airport. Thank you.

[3:08:00] Cano Williams,

[3:08:14] good morning commissioners. My name is Carla and I'm being working here and

[3:08:17] cut some for 20 years. For me, this place is not just a job, it's a home. So for us to come,

[3:08:25] another company to come and take over over us is very frustrating and very stressful situation

[3:08:32] because they want to change our shift. We're not even giving the opportunity to be able to pick up

[3:08:42] It's very hard for us to be changed, but somebody that just came over here, we've been here for 20 years.

[3:08:49] And we provide a lot of good customer service to all these passengers that come to the airport every single day.

[3:08:56] And so I'm looking for you guys to look if you can help us.

[3:09:00] And a way to see if they can keep or same hours because working here for 20 years, it's very, it's very hard for us to start over again.

[3:09:09] thank you.

[3:09:15] Pablo do go around today.

[3:09:28] Good morning commissioners. My name is

[3:09:31] Guadalajana. I have worked at the airport for 13 years. My co-workers and I have

[3:09:38] given years of service to this airport. We show up health passengers and keep

[3:09:44] these businesses operating every day. I was proud to learn that this airport

[3:09:49] authority, admin, admitting a worker retention policy but despite that, I am really concerned

[3:09:58] that Marsha Retail Group made.

[3:10:00] Not offer all of us the opportunity to stay on at the new airport terminal. Please do not wait until workers have already been excluded or lost their jobs as airport staff to state clearly.

[3:10:15] Now, that measure, measure,

[3:10:18] little group should retain every worker who wants to stay.

[3:10:24] Worker, retention should mean real job, community, for all of us.

[3:10:30] Thank you.

[3:10:31] Thank you.

[3:10:32] Thank you.

[3:10:33] Our last speaker is Xavier Cartillo.

[3:10:47] Good morning, everybody. How are you guys doing today?

[3:10:49] You know, I like to say working here at Burbank Airport.

[3:10:52] It's awesome opportunity.

[3:10:54] I love it.

[3:10:54] I've made everybody here like my family and personally, I think everybody that's sitting out there has met me.

[3:11:00] And, you know, I'd like to say through everything, everyone here has shown me nothing but kindness.

[3:11:04] And, you know, it's a great thing to get.

[3:11:06] And I've met a lot of people here that are struggling, whether it's to provide for them families, or themselves, or anything that they're trying to do, you know?

[3:11:15] And it's just hard to watch people like that suffer and put in nothing but hard to work effortlessly.

[3:11:20] and continuously ask for nothing in return, you know.

[3:11:23] So I ask that you guys find that letter

[3:11:26] and just agree with us and, you know,

[3:11:28] it doesn't have to be $30.25 is even cool,

[3:11:31] but, you know, we need a living wage,

[3:11:33] we need to make money so we can all live

[3:11:35] and provide for our families and each other

[3:11:37] and you know, continue to show love to each other

[3:11:39] because at the end of the day,

[3:11:41] this is just all one big community man.

[3:11:43] And we gotta give each other what we get.

[3:11:46] And, you know, I just think we all need to unite

[3:11:49] and come together and, you know, see each other for what it is, and, you know, I'm ashamed

[3:11:54] to see that my ramp workers aren't here, and you guys are the ones that are going to

[3:11:58] make it happen.

[3:11:58] So let's get out there and do it.

[3:12:00] Thank you, everybody, and have a good day.

[3:12:03] Thank you.

[3:12:09] Before we move into the agenda, I assume that there might be some comments from our commissioners

[3:12:14] on this item.

[3:12:15] So I would like to hear those now.

[3:12:18] I would like to just make a brief comment as it relates to the signing of the letter.

[3:12:23] I think getting commissioner here has the opportunity to sign that letter, but they'd like to sign that, and the commission wants to have that on the agenda, we could bring that back.

[3:12:33] As for the worker retention, John, isn't it true that all of our employees have first right of hire?

[3:12:41] And under the consistent agreements that you had authorized in February last year, there is a worker retention requirement, there's also an eligibility requirement for that worker retention, and so we'll double-check with out of the year.

[3:12:54] I would like to hear back from the Marshall Group because the changing of the hours and things like that, that's detrimental to understand that people get hired in hours and things like that change, but ultimately we have told our residents, we've told our region that our airport is going to be the same.

[3:13:10] and part of the reason why airport is an amazing airport.

[3:13:13] It's not because planes fly out of here.

[3:13:15] It's because the way people feel when they come here.

[3:13:17] And that's because of the employees that we have employed

[3:13:20] at this airport.

[3:13:21] So I want to make sure that we're doing all we can

[3:13:23] to retain those employees.

[3:13:25] Before I go, I'm going to ask my colleagues

[3:13:29] who have any comments they'd like to make.

[3:13:32] Commissioner, I'd like to agenda his discussion

[3:13:37] So that the commission can consider writing a letter to the Burbank City Council.

[3:13:45] If that's a motion, I would second it.

[3:13:48] So we have a motion, we don't, we can place it on the agenda.

[3:13:53] That's fine.

[3:13:55] Is everybody in?

[3:13:56] Yes, I don't believe we need a motion.

[3:13:59] I believe that if certainly the majority of this commission wants to have it on the agenda,

[3:14:05] We can ask that you placed on the agenda for full discussion answering the questions answering the questions

[3:14:12] of those who came today to speak.

[3:14:16] We'll put it on you.

[3:14:17] This is a September 21st agenda.

[3:14:19] Thank you.

[3:14:21] If I might just a second, if I could add to that when we do bring that back, there were a few things

[3:14:29] that were brought to my attention.

[3:14:31] One, including the work of retention issue,

[3:14:34] something in our contract, and I can't be more specific

[3:14:37] because I just heard this on a phone call

[3:14:41] and don't remember the details, but something in our contract

[3:14:46] did not necessarily cover all the employees

[3:14:49] or there was a timing issue that ended up leaving

[3:14:54] some employees out of the protections.

[3:14:57] So I'd like to, you know, see you.

[3:15:00] If we can get details on that, another issue has to do with a labor piece agreement. What I was told

[3:15:05] is that there is no labor piece agreement currently in place in the contract with Marshall.

[3:15:14] There was language about that, but it only required that one be signed, not that one be retained.

[3:15:20] So apparently there was one signed. Again, this is all from one source. So I'm just telling you what

[3:15:27] heard, but one was signed with a group that perhaps isn't even present at the airport that

[3:15:35] was terminated. There is currently no labor piece of agreement in place. So I'd like that

[3:15:40] to, if we could also be brought back so we can get, get down to the details on what the contracts

[3:15:47] says, what the current conditions are and then if we need to sign a letter or make a statement,

[3:15:53] that we can do it at that time.

[3:15:55] Sounds good.

[3:15:55] One last question.

[3:15:57] Come on.

[3:15:58] You can probably set what data is come back.

[3:15:59] When will it come back?

[3:16:00] The 21st.

[3:16:01] The 21st year next year.

[3:16:02] Thank you.

[3:16:03] I think we need to talk about this.

[3:16:05] We're prosper.

[3:16:06] I think our employees are prosper.

[3:16:09] I think we definitely need to talk about this.

[3:16:12] So, thank you.

[3:16:14] Mr. Wilson.

[3:16:15] I did think it's it's worth I just looking at this information.

[3:16:18] and see that it's his most airport employees to make roughly $17 at our, I think any employees

[3:16:25] that we directly have that work for the authority make, tremendously more than $17 an hour.

[3:16:34] I think we need to be clear about what who works for the contractors is, I think, is important

[3:16:39] differentiation.

[3:16:40] So that's why it's important that the language around what our contracts have is important.

[3:16:45] There's authority only employees directly, you know, our police department, but it's, I'm sure average wage is for, you know, officers is much quicker than $17.

[3:16:57] So I just think it's clear for the public to know who's employees and who are contractors through, and how we work through that issue.

[3:17:05] And it's this way.

[3:17:07] Thank you, we will move on to our consent calendar.

[3:17:10] Is there a motion to approve the consent calendar?

[3:17:13] Now move the consent calendar.

[3:17:16] We have a motion in a second.

[3:17:17] I would.

[3:17:18] I'd like to pull item 60 and discuss it.

[3:17:22] It's about the new parking rates.

[3:17:26] That's that's not the consent.

[3:17:27] Oh, that's not.

[3:17:29] That's on action.

[3:17:29] I know.

[3:17:31] Never mind.

[3:17:32] Don't pull it.

[3:17:34] Thank you.

[3:17:35] All right.

[3:17:36] So we have any other.

[3:17:38] Any.

[3:17:38] We have public comment on.

[3:17:40] No, I have to take a roll.

[3:17:41] Okay, perfect. Thank you.

[3:17:42] Commissioner Hampton. Yes. Commissioner Quintara. Yes. Commissioner Overem. Yes. Commissioner

[3:17:48] Assaturian. Yes. Commissioner Lyon. Yes. Commissioner Brottman. Yes. Commissioner Talemontess. Yes.

[3:17:53] Commissioner Wilson. Yes. Commissioner Gable Ladi. Yes. Thank you. And I noticed that the room is still

[3:18:00] packed, but all of those that are still in the room on the 21st year of opportunity come back.

[3:18:06] Just so you know, if you want to leave. This is like a watching pain dry sometimes. So we will move on

[3:18:13] Item 6 A. The first item here for the Commission's consideration is an approval of an

[3:18:18] aid-in contract deposit for the city of Burbank. This is for your community substation that is

[3:18:26] our last installment for the program and Mr. Perry Martin from Jacobs, who will be making the

[3:18:34] Good morning, commissioners.

[3:18:37] As John mentioned, seeking the approval to approve what we think is a lot, or what we believe

[3:18:44] is going to be the last AIC payment to be WP for the community substation.

[3:18:49] This AIC is for $19,670,000, which will bring our total for the substation AICs to a grant

[3:19:01] a total of $70 million, $253,000.

[3:19:05] This last AIC is to supplement or to enable

[3:19:08] BWP to execute a contract with the design builder

[3:19:11] to actually start the construction of it.

[3:19:15] They plan to execute a contract by the end of this year.

[3:19:19] With this AIC payment out of our owner's contingency,

[3:19:24] that brings our balance down to roughly $1.8 million remaining.

[3:19:31] So we're just seeking your approval to cut this check to AIS to DWP as soon as possible.

[3:19:38] I'll move the item.

[3:19:40] It's second.

[3:19:41] We'll move to the second.

[3:19:42] Any discussion?

[3:19:44] Question.

[3:19:45] Couldn't mention a Wilson.

[3:19:48] We're just looking at, I'm trying to reconcile this 70 million, the 56 million.

[3:19:59] in the first.

[3:20:02] I'm sorry. I didn't understand your question. It says on the table, total is 70 million in change. Yes, sir.

[3:20:09] And the original budget was 56 million. It's on that box.

[3:20:14] It's three. 56 million is the budget for the owner's contingency.

[3:20:19] Oh, that's owner's contingency. Yes. Sorry. Okay. And we have 1.99.

[3:20:23] Okay. We should. No problem.

[3:20:26] Any other questions?

[3:20:29] Roll call, please.

[3:20:32] Commissioner Hampton.

[3:20:33] Yes.

[3:20:33] Commissioner Quintero.

[3:20:34] Yes.

[3:20:34] Commissioner Overem.

[3:20:36] Yes.

[3:20:39] Commissioner Lyon.

[3:20:40] Commissioner Brottman.

[3:20:42] Yes.

[3:20:42] Commissioner Talimantes.

[3:20:43] Yes.

[3:20:43] Commissioner Gibson.

[3:20:44] Yes.

[3:20:46] Thank you.

[3:20:47] Thank you.

[3:20:48] We'll move on to item six B, which is a professional service agreement.

[3:20:53] Yes, this is for the services provided by the University of Allied Universal Services, and there's three items here.

[3:21:01] One is the extension of their agreement for the invoking their last option, for their services, which is a traffic control,

[3:21:10] and your security information play every booth.

[3:21:12] The second item is the mutual termination of inspection service agreement,

[3:21:19] because allied provides inspection services that your

[3:21:22] concessioners pay directly through full reimbursement for the inspection of

[3:21:29] the goods and services with a retail or food.

[3:21:31] The other agreement is for the reestablishment with the new vendors.

[3:21:36] Now, I need to bring something up.

[3:21:38] We found an error in the agreement that MRG pointed out, so we are fixing that agreement

[3:21:44] and that we'll not, we ask you to allow us to make the change, prove it, but make the change

[3:21:51] with them to make sure we, through our authority council, make sure we have the right language

[3:21:56] in the document.

[3:21:57] So with that, Ms. Don't think if you can explain the services that will be provided.

[3:22:01] Good morning, commissioners.

[3:22:05] So to explain the services provided, we're seeking commission

[3:22:09] approval for the three items,

[3:22:11] the amendment number four,

[3:22:13] which is the final one year option we have

[3:22:15] with Allied next year.

[3:22:17] This goes out to RFP,

[3:22:19] and we will be seeking new

[3:22:21] bitters.

[3:22:23] So this agreement covers us from

[3:22:25] November 26 to October 27.

[3:22:31] The second item, as Mr.

[3:22:33] Altenock mentioned, is the proposed

[3:22:35] mutual termination reimbursement agreement

[3:22:38] between the authority, MCS, and HP Burbank, which we know as Hudson News.

[3:22:47] That agreement was signed back in October of 2018.

[3:22:51] It was part of agreement worked out with the vendors because of the fact TSA could no longer guarantee

[3:22:58] hours to get consumer goods through the checkpoint through the increase in passengers.

[3:23:04] That reimbursement rate was eventually amended and split 50-50 between the two vendors.

[3:23:12] Another part of the agreement was added was to allow, for instance, MCS needed more

[3:23:17] hours than Hudson News wanted to share.

[3:23:20] So we came, we've created the option to allow, for instance, Hudson had said no MCS needed

[3:23:28] those hours, so we had MCS only hours as well.

[3:23:32] So, moving forward with the new RPT, we have the agreement between the authority, MCS, and MRG.

[3:23:42] Again, to split the cost of the 50, the contract or the agreement is based off of the 2018 agreement,

[3:23:48] carrying forward all the different amendments that we had done in that agreement.

[3:23:55] So,

[3:24:00] the proposed amendment number four.

[3:24:04] is technically above CPI, allied came to us.

[3:24:09] They gave us their proposed rates for the new building.

[3:24:13] We took a look at those.

[3:24:14] We analyzed it.

[3:24:17] We proposed to go forward with them.

[3:24:19] The fact allied has been a very valuable partner.

[3:24:23] They've exceeded our expectations.

[3:24:24] They understand the customer service needed to operate

[3:24:27] out an airport.

[3:24:29] I believe it was Commissioner Hampton a couple of years ago,

[3:24:32] state of the, it asked Alai guards around here some questions out on the curb

[3:24:36] about where stuff was and they were able to tell you right away where to go and how,

[3:24:40] you know, to get there, that's in part thanks to the training that Alai puts

[3:24:45] our staff through to make sure that we have the great and excellent customer service out there.

[3:24:54] The amount above CPI just that we're recommending is 0.8.

[3:25:00] 4% or, based on the type of position, 1.6% above the CPI level. Any questions?

[3:25:09] John, you mentioned there was some sort of additional amendment that's not captured. Can you describe

[3:25:15] that? That's to do with the new agreement between MRG, MCS and L-I, and there's a clarification

[3:25:22] that we needed to, for both MCS and MRG in the event, you do have a new vendor come in

[3:25:29] ballm after you do an RFP next year. So it's mechanics around the mechanics around that.

[3:25:40] I have no, I'm prepared to move this item. We have a motion.

[3:25:43] I can. And I just with this staff additional language.

[3:25:50] Yes, and I'd like to reiterate the statement that I made before.

[3:25:53] I like security in your teams, training of these employees has been superb and still to this day.

[3:26:02] I still ask these questions.

[3:26:04] Thank you.

[3:26:05] As a matter of fact, I think they're also connected with the traffic control.

[3:26:10] So the traffic control going and coming into the air port with all the construction happening on Hollywood way,

[3:26:18] it's almost non-existent.

[3:26:20] At least from my experience and I've been driving through here on the past couple of weeks now and I would say that, you know, when you have major construction happening there's always a lot of heart ache around that and it's smooth sailing so please um to your team to allied and everyone involved making sure that that is a smooth sailing without without lots of complaints it's amazing.

[3:26:44] We'll let the construction of it and the traffic control be working from LEC, LNL and LISA providing the crosswalk protection.

[3:26:53] So we appreciate everyone working together and coordinating it and to Mr. Martin's credit for making sure everything is coordinated.

[3:27:00] We appreciate the crosswalk also.

[3:27:03] Thank you.

[3:27:04] We have a motion in second.

[3:27:07] Roll call.

[3:27:07] Commissioner Hampton.

[3:27:09] Yes.

[3:27:09] Commissioner Quintaro.

[3:27:10] Yes.

[3:27:11] Commissioner O'Satrian.

[3:27:13] Yes.

[3:27:13] Missionary Lyon, Missionary Brutman, Missionary Talimontez, Missionary Wilson,

[3:27:18] Missionary Wilson, Missionary Gable Daddy, and yes, and you did it on the pedestrian

[3:27:24] access and safety, it's a great job. We'll pass it along to all the companies.

[3:27:29] Please do.

[3:27:32] Our next item is, um, 60. This is an amendment to at least that we have with the

[3:27:37] General Service Administration for two current leases that cover operations here at this airport

[3:27:42] Mr. Henderson, your Director of Properties will be making presentation.

[3:27:49] Good morning, President commissioners.

[3:27:51] So for this item, at its meeting on July 20, the Finance and Admin Committee voted 3-0 to

[3:27:58] recommend that the Commission approved the proposed lease and amendments with General Service

[3:28:03] Administration or GSA, and that's to comply with the language modification mandated under

[3:28:08] executive order 14398. And this is for two leases with between the authority in the GSA. One

[3:28:16] is a 2011 hangar lease. And then the other is a 2023 terminal space lease for the exclusive

[3:28:22] space with the TSA. So just to give a little bit more background information on that, the 2011

[3:28:28] lease, GSA was awarded a 15 year hangar lease. And this is for hanger 34. It's for the purpose of

[3:28:34] a modular office unit, hanger 34's in the northwest quadrant of the airport, and it's for

[3:28:40] a 40,000 344 square foot hanger space. And that lease was actually amended just recently

[3:28:47] to go out to May 25th, 2027. We're looking at a longer extension with the GSA for this one,

[3:28:54] but we're extending out to May of next year. And this is just to allow staff to have additional

[3:28:59] time to work with the GSA just because of their administrative processes that they have.

[3:29:03] And then for the May 2023 lease, this was for the terminal space lease with GSA on behalf

[3:29:10] of the TSA, and that's for the 3500 square feet of exclusive use space in the existing

[3:29:16] terminal building.

[3:29:18] That contract will expire very soon upon the opening of the RPT and the closure of the existing

[3:29:24] facility.

[3:29:26] And then June of this year, we did receive lease amendments from the GSA, and this is to

[3:29:31] incorporate that language required under executive order 1, 4, 3, 9, 8, and this is regarding the

[3:29:38] contractual requirements involving DEI practices by federal contractors. These amendments do not

[3:29:44] have any revenue impacts to the two existing leases, which for hanger 34 that's $930,000 per year,

[3:29:54] And then for the existing agreement with TSA in the existing building, that's one.

[3:30:00] 1847,000 per year for terminal space lease. So, just to recap, at the committee meeting on July 20, the committee

[3:30:07] did vote to recommend the commission to prove the proposed lease amendments of GSA and authorized the president to execute the same.

[3:30:14] Question. Commissioner, line. Thank you. The city pass the DNA is involved in litigation, ongoing litigation around

[3:30:24] Executive Board of the language that's very similar to this in a different context in the grant making context.

[3:30:32] But we were recently granted a preliminary injunction with the other, with the other plaintiffs on the basis that this language both mistakes the law and violates the separation of powers of the U.S. Constitution, because it oversteps the authority of the executive.

[3:30:48] that may be different in the context of contracting, but in that it is inconsistent with

[3:30:59] this institution's inclusive hiring policies, and likely does mistake the law around

[3:31:08] inclusive hiring, I have concerns about including this in any contract that we put out.

[3:31:13] is there anything in the contract that sets this language apart and says that it's here

[3:31:18] only pursuant to an executive order?

[3:31:26] Basically, I mean, it is part of the executive order,

[3:31:30] I mean, it's specifically separate from all the other contract terms of the agreement between

[3:31:35] the authority and GSA. Is there anything in there that defines this as, these are not our definitions,

[3:31:41] these are not our policies, we're required to include this pursuant to executive order,

[3:31:46] I might be a question for Terrence.

[3:31:49] Yeah, I mean, I couldn't speak to whether it applies directly to it.

[3:31:52] I'm not asking for the applies.

[3:31:54] I'm asking if there's language in there in the contract that sets it apart.

[3:32:01] Okay.

[3:32:01] Morning, commissioner.

[3:32:02] Good morning, commissioner.

[3:32:03] Um, I don't have the language right in front of me.

[3:32:06] But my memory is it does say it does reference the executive order.

[3:32:10] It says this is being done person went to this executive order.

[3:32:13] That Thomas mentioned.

[3:32:14] I'd like to see that.

[3:32:16] I mean, I don't have it in the package.

[3:32:19] So I'll move that we that we that we table this and continue to our next item and bring back the contracts so we can if we're setting aside the language

[3:32:28] As as strictly a requirement of the federal government.

[3:32:32] I can probably live with it.

[3:32:34] Okay, but but just in terms of balancing both my fiduciary duties here and to the city of Pasadena I can't undermine our litigation position unless I see what's said in the contract.

[3:32:50] I just want to be clear that you're suggest, I mean, obviously come back, but that we could pull a disclaimer language in this.

[3:33:03] Yeah. I think it would be the same.

[3:33:04] I know that says as you said earlier, maybe your requirement of the federal government, but in our practices, we note that, that's YNZ.

[3:33:13] Yes, Mr. Bogot, is that something you can consider when you bring it back to us so we can bring it back in a minute?

[3:33:20] We can absolutely consider, we can absolutely consider that.

[3:33:24] We'd have to talk to the GSA to make sure that they will sign it with that sort of caveats.

[3:33:29] But yes, we can bring it back.

[3:33:32] We have two options.

[3:33:33] If the Commission will wait just a couple of minutes, I can grab my iPad.

[3:33:36] We can double check the language as it currently stands.

[3:33:38] If the commission wants to do more than simply say that this new clause is per the executive order

[3:33:44] if you want some sort of

[3:33:46] caveat or some sort of qualifier this is we have a wrong thing that we prefer then that's that

[3:33:51] What I would take this you've come back let us come back at the next meeting with that language as well

[3:33:55] And also we would need to talk to GSA to make sure that they will look they will sign it with that language

[3:33:59] I'll give you that break it back go dear. Yeah, I want to just give them the opportunity to go to his iPad and have a look at it

[3:34:05] We could pause this for right now and move to item we still have other than if we can't solve it. Okay, then we go

[3:34:11] I think I'm probably gonna want to distance ourselves to the furthest extent. We can

[3:34:17] I don't even know why we're in the middle of it the GSA is is is

[3:34:22] Could have their own agreement with a veteran government on this, right?

[3:34:27] Well, there is the agreement is at least for them to have space at the airport so it's at least with us

[3:34:31] despite the language and it is sort of badly written because refers to us as the contractor.

[3:34:36] Right. We are the less or. Right. And you know, just in my experience, we don't the foot.

[3:34:41] And many times, the federal government will say, dictate, here is the language you have to

[3:34:44] have to have and you have to use. And you can't really tweak it to fit your context. You just

[3:34:48] verbatim or told to insert it. So in the contract we're signing, we're defined as the contractor.

[3:34:54] It's weird the less or but I think earlier, you right before you now are two amendments and all you

[3:34:59] But in the agenda

[3:35:00] In the fact that there are two amendments for existing leases, it is existing leases that say less contractor means less or. And we are defined as less or so you don't have that.

[3:35:09] I don't even need to see the language. I can't, I can't.

[3:35:13] Yeah, we can bring it back but I, I'm not going to be able to support something that has us agreeing to these policies.

[3:35:19] We can bring it back to the next meeting.

[3:35:21] Thank you.

[3:35:22] We'll bring that.

[3:35:23] It gives you, it gives you time to call GSA and say, if, if this happens,

[3:35:29] What's your stand on there?

[3:35:32] It's more a hell question.

[3:35:34] Thank you.

[3:35:34] This will be table till the 21st.

[3:35:38] Is that perfect?

[3:35:40] Thank you.

[3:35:41] John, any implications in terms of new terminal operations?

[3:35:45] Well, the next one will be, that will be the next one.

[3:35:47] It's a lease for the new terminal building.

[3:35:50] That's the thicker document.

[3:35:52] This is for the entire TSA operation within the RPT.

[3:35:58] And this is one, but they do the final says the less Thor.

[3:36:02] And they are the contractor?

[3:36:07] They are the LSE, on behalf of the TSA.

[3:36:11] But is that language in here again?

[3:36:14] Yes, sir.

[3:36:15] And be in a line with this as well.

[3:36:17] That says the contractor or the

[3:36:21] who's bound by this executive order in the new agreement?

[3:36:25] The Lessor is bound by it.

[3:36:28] We're going to have the same issue.

[3:36:31] Do you want to review this item right now? Are we going to retakeling this one as well?

[3:36:35] It sounds like a magical table.

[3:36:37] Mm-hmm.

[3:36:37] Those tables.

[3:36:39] I move it back on the 21st.

[3:36:41] And also, let us know what the implications are.

[3:36:44] Does this mean that we're not able to open up our terminal of the time?

[3:36:47] We could be running into it because right now,

[3:36:50] the TSA is trying to move ahead without this document.

[3:36:53] They're taking a risk.

[3:36:54] But they do need this lease in order to begin their operations on the 13th of October.

[3:37:00] And that should be put in the memo and staff report when it comes back to us.

[3:37:07] Yes sir.

[3:37:08] Okay.

[3:37:09] All right.

[3:37:09] We will move to, so item C and D are both tabled into the 21st.

[3:37:17] We will move to item six E.

[3:37:21] This is regarding as being brought back because it's a request for a revised parking rate for day one.

[3:37:28] Commissioner Wilson, I recommend that they step up a program.

[3:37:33] Mr. Campbell is here to make that presentation.

[3:37:36] In your packet, there is a PowerPoint, then this can you bring it up, please?

[3:38:02] Good morning, commissioners.

[3:38:04] Today's staff is seeking the Commission approval on three related recommendations for the RPT day one opening.

[3:38:14] There are three recommendations before you today.

[3:38:16] The first, the replacement passenger terminal step up rate structure for the RPT parking structure.

[3:38:25] Second, the employee monthly parking fee, and third, the EV charging rates for the new parking structure.

[3:38:39] On July 20, staff presented its recommendation for the replacement passenger terminal day one parking rates.

[3:38:45] Based on the airport consultants recommendation, the market analysis with the other Southern

[3:38:53] California airports, so we did a market analysis on that.

[3:38:57] The Commission Director's staff through Explore is step up approach that would open the

[3:39:01] RPT Park Instructure at a revised self park and a valet rate through June 30th, 2027.

[3:39:09] and then through July 1, 20, or excuse me, and then in effect, July 1, 2027.

[3:39:18] Staff requested Jacob's project manager to perform supplemental analysis to determine whether

[3:39:23] step-up rate structure would still allow the authority to meet its fiscal year, 207

[3:39:29] budget parking revenues. Additionally, staff also reviewed the 30 plus years of the employee

[3:39:37] parking rate, which hasn't been changed since the 1990s, of $17 per month for the tenant

[3:39:44] employees, approximately a 50 cents a day.

[3:39:49] Other changes are the installation of the new EV charges in the replacement passenger

[3:39:53] terminal required under the city ordinance based on the discussion with the commission.

[3:40:00] At its August 17, 2026 meeting, staff identified initial EV charging rate for the replacement

[3:40:07] passenger terminal structure that would be competitive with other EV chargers while still being

[3:40:13] sufficient to cover the ONM costs.

[3:40:19] Here is the new revised step up for the day one parking

[3:40:24] rates at the replacement passenger terminal. So the initial rate, which is the day one,

[3:40:30] which is October 13th through June 30th of 2027, for the valet, we are recommending a $59 rate,

[3:40:39] hourly rate, or excuse me, daily rate for the self-park 49.

[3:40:45] So the original right now, the valet is 42, and the self-park is 40.

[3:40:53] The remote lot, lot F, that would be at 28, that would stay the same.

[3:40:58] LITG would be a reduction of 8% to 26 or student to 24 dollars.

[3:41:05] Effective July 1st, 2027.

[3:41:08] We would then implement the rates that we initially recommended back on July 20th.

[3:41:14] At $68 for the valet, 54 for the self-park and 28 for F.

[3:41:21] And we would keep it at 24 for G.

[3:41:24] The

[3:41:30] step-up parking rate was determined by Jacobson staff likely to meet the 2027 adopted budget, revenue,

[3:41:37] a parking revenue for 2027, which was approximately 35.5 million.

[3:41:43] This assumes passenger activity level, achieves forecast of approximately 6.3 million passengers.

[3:41:51] The step-up approach would result in approximately 1 million loss, or excuse me, less revenues

[3:41:58] compared to implementing the original proposed

[3:42:01] higher rates for the RPT day one opening.

[3:42:05] The gross rate reduction is partially,

[3:42:08] but not fully offset by the higher projected

[3:42:11] retention of demand within the parking structure.

[3:42:14] So in essence, what we're going to do is we're charging

[3:42:18] less so we can lose some revenue per customer,

[3:42:22] but we expect the lower rates to retain

[3:42:25] and attract more customers, the additional volume makes up for some but not all of the

[3:42:32] lost revenue. So basically volume we should be able to attract and retain those

[3:42:40] passengers. The step-up structure would moderate the increase experienced by customers

[3:42:46] relative to the current airport parking structure and valet rates, which I said

[3:42:53] just recently was $42 and $40.

[3:42:57] Additionally, staff plans to implement a ramp up to the maximum daily rate.

[3:43:02] And if you want to look at that, that's on the staff report page three.

[3:43:06] We would start for the first hour, so we want to change that rate

[3:43:11] for the remote lots to start at $5 for the first hour.

[3:43:17] And then we would go increments every 30 minutes after that.

[3:43:22] and it's on page three, you can look at that.

[3:43:24] The replacement passenger and terminal structure

[3:43:26] we would start at $9.

[3:43:33] The employee parking rate, as discussed,

[3:43:35] we have not changed that since the 1990s at $17 a month.

[3:43:41] They're currently an average of about $1,200 monthly

[3:43:43] airport employees that generate approximately $240,000 a year.

[3:43:48] Staff recommends revising the rate to $30 per month,

[3:43:52] which is approximately $1 per day.

[3:43:55] to support the ongoing O&M and capital improvements.

[3:43:59] And this is the current rate that's 17, the proposed is 30.

[3:44:04] We did a analysis of the other airports.

[3:44:07] You're seeing that Ontario's 50 Long Beach has kind of a two-tier,

[3:44:12] one's kind of a close-in, which is 50 and a remote,

[3:44:16] which is 20, LAX is 60.

[3:44:23] The EV charging rates, we are installing or has it installed, excuse me.

[3:44:31] We've installed all of the EV chargers at the replacement passenger terminal, parking facility,

[3:44:37] and that is 299 EV charging ports were installed.

[3:44:42] And that is the requirement of Burbank or Nens requirement for the new parking, public parking

[3:44:47] garage.

[3:44:49] And the public parking garage, Mayor member, we have 200 stalls for the new parking structure.

[3:44:57] There are four days of thousands.

[3:44:58] I'll excuse me, 2000.

[3:45:00] The report pays 30 cents per kilowatt for electricity and also shares 10 percent of the gross section fees with the EV charge operator blink.

[3:45:12] Staff recommends a 50 cents kilowatt rate with no session or occupancy fees. The self-part EV chargers and a flat $20 handling fee for the valet.

[3:45:24] So right now, what we'll do is if customer comes to Valle and they request that to be charged,

[3:45:30] we have certain charging units that will charge, and on their invoice we'll dis-show

[3:45:35] a handling fee of a flat $20 or excuse me, right now, $6, but we would just show that

[3:45:42] as a $20 fee, kind of like what we do right now for Valle.

[3:45:47] As you can see, the energy rate, what we're proposing is 50 cents, and the session fees and

[3:45:54] some of the samples that we did for Burbank, Lendale, and Pasadena.

[3:46:02] So in conclusion, staff recommends a commission

[3:46:05] to prove the following, effective on the day one, opening of the new replacement

[3:46:10] Passenger terminal, October 13th of the step-up rate for day one parking rates at $59.

[3:46:19] And $49.

[3:46:19] and then effective the July 1st, 2027 of the State of Rates, which is 68 and 54.

[3:46:30] And the daily rates for the remote, 28 and 24 for G, increased the monthly parking

[3:46:36] feed to $30 a month, and set the new EV charging rates at 50 cents.

[3:46:43] And I'd be happy to answer any questions at this time.

[3:46:47] Questions?

[3:46:49] I'm not sure you're going to let it.

[3:46:50] Thank you.

[3:46:56] The handling fee is another source of revenue.

[3:47:01] A small amount, but yes.

[3:47:03] They covers, of course, the moving the cars back and forth.

[3:47:06] Right, right.

[3:47:07] No, I'm not disagreeing with it.

[3:47:09] I'm just wondering whether or not you were able to conclude how much revenue that might raise

[3:47:19] In addition to the first step of the step up parking rate.

[3:47:25] So right now, the current structure that we have with the current activity that people

[3:47:31] are requesting is about $4, about $4 drivers a day at $6.

[3:47:39] So we didn't do the analysis on that, but I mean, if we're doing $4 of a day or a day.

[3:47:43] $100 a day roughly.

[3:47:44] it's yeah it's minimal um like I said we're charging six dollars right now and so we're

[3:47:51] gonna go up to twenty dollars so right now we're not charged any kilowatt hours it was an agreement

[3:47:55] with the city of Burbank over there we will be so we'll be putting a dumb unit if I can just

[3:48:00] it's a dumb unit down in Valet which the parking operator will then plug in and charge that as an

[3:48:06] voice when they requested. My second question is, I'm expecting that before we actually see

[3:48:16] the step-up in July of 27, we get data regarding the revenue estimate you're presenting

[3:48:25] tonight, but today is about a million dollar loss, less, and what the use is of the parking

[3:48:33] graduate self so that we can consider the step-up recommendation in July of 27 having been

[3:48:42] informed of what the performance was over the prior several months. And if we go forward with

[3:48:49] this today, I'm going to suggest that that be an amendment to our action.

[3:48:55] And those are my questions.

[3:49:02] I agree on the parking search I'd like to see you do in Reggers applying demand and you

[3:49:08] think the price will get the parking structure fuller and I'd like to agree with the

[3:49:13] Comments.

[3:49:14] Let's see what those results are on how occupied that 2000 space parking structure is.

[3:49:21] The demanding I wanted to ask on the employee parking is their availability of electric charging

[3:49:30] The new employee parking lot that we're creating, which is a lot to see, and that is actually changing over, does not have any EV chargers at that location.

[3:49:42] We will have EV chargers at the close-in lot, which we call the surface lot, which will have tenants management and other supervisors that will be able to park there, but not the remote lot.

[3:49:55] Okay, and I would not for now, we're busy now, but I would think we aren't as look at it.

[3:50:00] That down the road, I would like to incentivize employees also to have electric cars and to have a lot where they can come to work and plug in the car.

[3:50:11] So for how many electric stalls do we have in the new part of the 2000 structure? How many of those are electric?

[3:50:16] We have 299.

[3:50:18] So out of 2000, let's call it 300 or electric and I'm hoping.

[3:50:23] that have support, that have the support, the platform for it, but others, there's additional

[3:50:29] that have the infrastructure that we can deploy more.

[3:50:32] From the 99 charges are in the unit, there is plump for additional, as you move up according

[3:50:38] to the bank ordinances.

[3:50:40] Okay, great.

[3:50:40] I hope we can incentivize people using it, but at some point I'd like to go back and

[3:50:44] look at the employee parking lot to see if we can provide charges of employee parking lot

[3:50:48] to incentivize employees to also use electric cars.

[3:50:51] We can take a look at the infrastructure to see what the requirement come back because that'll be a capital project to consider down the line

[3:50:59] Now I should don't want to thank you those EV

[3:51:02] parking

[3:51:03] units that are available the two eighty three hundred approximately two hundred

[3:51:07] are they available to anybody but they restricted just to EVs we would we would

[3:51:15] encourage that EV cars park there and I use them but thinking if it's you know if

[3:51:25] we're really full I think if we're real successful which I hope we are yeah there's

[3:51:30] 300 that are available, and if they're not being used, I think when if we are confronted

[3:51:39] with that, where it is very full and the EV Chargers are not being utilized by EV cars,

[3:51:47] we would have to work with our law enforcement chief and to make sure that if we do that,

[3:51:54] we just make sure that how we communicate it to the public, because right now we don't

[3:51:59] have any plaques to say EV only, but it's a sparking spot with availability of EV charging.

[3:52:07] Yeah, so we may be put on the front sign that EV chargers are available for non-EV, but we

[3:52:14] would have to look at that down the line. We don't want to make that right now on something

[3:52:19] that may or may not happen, but we would encourage EV cars.

[3:52:22] something the mayor may not have. Anyway, I would encourage the

[3:52:27] stars to part of it. We have, we have thought about it, we've even, you know,

[3:52:33] law enforcement. How do we regulate that? How do we do that? Because then let's say

[3:52:39] they're all taken and then we do have somebody that wants to come in and use it,

[3:52:44] then, you know, the other side makes it, we don't have any availability. So there's

[3:52:48] both sides to it, but yes, we have thought about it. Thank you. Commissioner

[3:52:52] are the EVs catered to the different floors, or they clustered?

[3:52:57] They are.

[3:52:57] They're scattered throughout, and then we also have some in the valet, which I said,

[3:53:02] we call them a dumb unit.

[3:53:04] So, there's no requirement to put a charge.

[3:53:07] We just charge a flat fee on the request.

[3:53:11] So, yes, they are throughout the entire parking structure.

[3:53:17] I think Commissioner Wilson then followed by over and then back to Commissioner Gabilite.

[3:53:22] Yeah, I like the idea of having a EV priority, and if you can flip it, one to nine, or some operational issues.

[3:53:28] Can you tell us what the one hour first hour charges are today? I didn't see it in the staff report.

[3:53:33] Right now that we, it's more or less like $3, it's very small.

[3:53:40] And then I want to make sure I understand the EV for Valle.

[3:53:45] Is it a flat $20?

[3:53:48] Yes, we would do, we would apply flat handling fee of $20 on the request for anybody that wants to have their car charge at ballet.

[3:53:57] Do they get it?

[3:53:59] Energy charge is included in the $20.

[3:54:02] It's all included.

[3:54:03] It's a flat fee that we would charge them.

[3:54:06] You may want to look at that again.

[3:54:08] If you look at like a Tesla, and if you charge,

[3:54:12] It's about 80 kilowatt hours in Tesla, so at 30 kilowatt, 30 cents per kilowatt hour, if it's fully charging a full Tesla, it's around 24 bucks.

[3:54:24] So you're actually recovery would be less than our cost.

[3:54:29] So I'm wondering whether you make one a double check what that fee is to make sure what it lets this even assume it's half.

[3:54:38] It seems low based off the cost today.

[3:54:40] We kind of thought about it with, and I have a, I have a Tesla, so I usually, I don't get that

[3:54:46] for down to fully charge it, so mine uses about 15 bucks, because I don't like to get it

[3:54:52] down to a far, but we don't know how many, what, what the level of charge is going to be remaining

[3:54:59] when they come to this.

[3:55:00] If they get to that level, yes. I mean, there's, but then, there could be some that fully charged and some that are not, where it kind of then equal.

[3:55:08] I would just guess if you do the basic, even half of the Tesla is about $18 for energy charge at 30 cents.

[3:55:16] So for $2, it feels like, it won't take, it feels low since I got to make up for a million dollars done, told me on.

[3:55:23] I would suggest, let's say, let the commission give a let's say see how many people actually want to use it and how much we're using and what are what our experiences and then we make them back through the commission to actually increase the handling charge in the best.

[3:55:37] This seems low based off the cost of the electricity, especially if you have to move a car around.

[3:55:41] So and I told you kind of the activity right now is about four a day at six dollars.

[3:55:46] So even out of cheaper rate, we're getting about four, but we don't know what if it's a

[3:55:51] fully charged or whether or not it's half or not, I'll be dropping my test law off.

[3:55:56] We encourage your commissioner.

[3:55:58] Thank you, Mr. Overn.

[3:56:00] I want to go back to the priority for electric parking.

[3:56:05] I didn't realize that if it says dedicated to charging, I didn't realize a non-electric

[3:56:13] car could just park there. I thought it was like a handicapped space, so you get a big trouble

[3:56:17] if you're not handicapped and you park in a handicapped space. I would think if you're not

[3:56:22] electric and you park in electric space, there should be, I don't think that should be permitted.

[3:56:27] Again, I want incentivized people to come in electric cars or hybrid cars. So it doesn't strike

[3:56:32] me as a good idea to say anybody can park there, or by the way, it's an electric charger.

[3:56:37] And what we had talked about is that it was kind of that hypothetical if, you know, we get to the point where it's not being used.

[3:56:45] I mean, that was more, and I kind of just walked it back and said, you know, let's not talk about that.

[3:56:50] We want to encourage EV charges to park in those spots.

[3:56:53] And right now, right now, that's what we're going to do.

[3:56:56] Why don't we make it a requirement?

[3:57:00] I assume we enforce handicapped if a nonhandy person parks in handicapped.

[3:57:05] I sure had co-operatively sighted them.

[3:57:09] Maybe start with a courtesy notice, but I just, I don't think it's accomplished with

[3:57:14] what we want to do if we're letting non-electric cars park in charge of both step-bots.

[3:57:23] Yeah, I just wanted to emphasize that point.

[3:57:28] Typically you see it says EV charging only, so I would think that that's standard.

[3:57:38] There is an ordinance that is supposed to be for EV charges only when you, what I have seen at other airports, especially LAX, many of the spots because they have a reservation system.

[3:57:53] They run out of people are using the EV spots. So it is going to be a subject matter for enforcement, how we can get that done.

[3:58:01] But yes, it should say EV, for electrical vehicles only.

[3:58:06] OK, because that would be disappointing.

[3:58:08] Somebody comes in and they want a charge.

[3:58:10] And you know, occupying that space is not charging.

[3:58:14] I mean, generally, they even, I think you're required to be charged.

[3:58:18] Like, there's a certain time limit.

[3:58:20] Also, once your car is fully charged, you can't just leave it there.

[3:58:24] But unfortunately, in the airport parking, you're going to be gone.

[3:58:28] You're not going to be able to move it.

[3:58:31] And that's why we're not putting an

[3:58:33] occupancy fee on there where you're

[3:58:35] done fully charged, you're going to

[3:58:36] get charged now after sitting there

[3:58:38] because someone's probably left for

[3:58:40] the weekend. The charge is going to

[3:58:42] charge well a commercial charge

[3:58:44] will charge you if I go to a Tesla

[3:58:46] supercharger and I stay after the

[3:58:49] cars charge, it starts charging me

[3:58:51] more. That's correct. So we're not

[3:58:54] doing that. No one. Because the

[3:58:56] people are part paying for a parking

[3:58:58] if you per day to park the car in the rush.

[3:59:02] OK, so I mean, would you keep a close eye on the utilization

[3:59:05] of these EV charging stations?

[3:59:07] Because if that's happening and they're all getting occupied

[3:59:12] for days on end and they aren't available, then obviously,

[3:59:16] that's a problem.

[3:59:17] And we have a dashboard we'll be able to see what those

[3:59:19] utilization are on each one of those units.

[3:59:23] So OK, your average parker is above, was it two and a half

[3:59:26] days in the structure?

[3:59:27] So, if they're in the structure now for two and a half days,

[3:59:31] we assume that that type of term would carry over

[3:59:35] into the structure.

[3:59:38] I see.

[3:59:40] Okay, I guess that that'll be, we'll see how that's going.

[3:59:45] This is new, so we'll have to, we'll have to monitor it

[3:59:48] and make sure that we're enforcing,

[3:59:52] if we're not, we're seeing people actually in there

[3:59:55] that are not EV.

[3:59:56] So we'll work with Or we add EV charger.

[4:00:00] Just because you say that.

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