[0:00] O'Connor, who are we missing? We have providence. We have mail mail. River Heights, anyone from River Heights? He's not. I'm taking his spot as well. He and I are together. Great. So, I don't know.

[0:18] Approved with the minutes for I believe it's our last meeting, was July 27.

[0:27] Everybody get a chance to look at those. Just incentals out.

[0:33] Any questions, additions, relations?

[0:37] Could I get a motion to approve the match for July 20th,

[0:42] out for you?

[0:43] Second?

[0:44] All favor?

[0:46] All right.

[0:46] Thank you.

[0:48] Just a minute.

[0:50] I don't know.

[0:51] Yeah, just a minute.

[0:52] That's OK.

[0:52] Represents.

[0:53] I don't know.

[0:55] OK.

[0:55] We get it.

[0:56] We get it.

[0:58] If you're with you without executive dains, let's just talk a little bit about where we are,

[1:08] where we're going, Justin, Mayor Miller, but actually you could fill us on in on some of the

[1:16] things that we've been talking about in our subcommittee. The direction we're going there.

[1:26] Let's

[1:27] Can I start with maybe real quick or just the whole minutes and the agenda and approaching on the public?

[1:32] No, this website where you guys can get all this information.

[1:36] I thought when we set that up that we had our own little spot.

[1:39] Apparently, we are tied to the cash-fire districts page.

[1:43] So when you go to that link, I send to everybody.

[1:45] You're going to see cash-fire district and south stuff.

[1:50] North hasn't got their stuff together yet.

[1:52] I talked to Janine a little bit about it and like we're probably just going to leave it that way

[1:56] until we get the board functioning,

[1:58] it kind of get further down the road here.

[1:59] So hopefully that doesn't make it more difficult,

[2:02] but you go to public most website,

[2:03] you find the fireboard and then you go

[2:05] that they're for each meeting,

[2:07] there will be a South Cache fire in the MS agenda,

[2:11] last few minutes, and then any attachments that were,

[2:14] yeah.

[2:15] I just noticed when I went out and looked this last time,

[2:19] you know, you look in the ministry, the minutes,

[2:21] and it says, you know, this list is attached,

[2:23] or this is attached and there's nothing attached and there's nothing tied to that link

[2:33] that would be that attachment either.

[2:37] I will check.

[2:38] I don't know.

[2:38] There was a different place that you put some documents or what.

[2:43] I'll get a town.

[2:44] I got to make all that happen.

[2:46] So I'll make sure he's up to speed on all that.

[2:48] to get a mic up there.

[2:52] Mayors, I apologize for the story.

[2:57] Just before I see exact names, I think, pulling in.

[3:02] Before exact names, we just talked a little bit about the subcommittee.

[3:08] Where were we at?

[3:09] The direction we're going.

[3:10] How do we figure about that direction that we're going?

[3:13] There's a good man right there.

[3:15] So, while we come up here towards it, well, come on up there, come on up there from the center, give a sit right there.

[3:25] And we'll get sticks.

[3:28] Well, executive Daines, Chris, ready?

[3:31] Let's just kind of bring us group up to speed on what we've been doing in our subcommittee.

[3:37] How we feel about where we're at, the direction we're going in there?

[3:42] I have a question, because I know that the fired district has to be reasonably organized by a point.

[3:48] Does that affect the leadership of the steering committee at all, or does the steering committee stay in the same way?

[3:53] I think we'll as executive names get us through this.

[3:58] We'll let executive names address that.

[4:01] Do you want me to do it now?

[4:02] I don't want you to do it now.

[4:07] The bylaws from the beginning were screwed up.

[4:12] The county council has to appoint the members of the fire board.

[4:18] And they did some of that, but they then assumed that a person who was elected to a mayor

[4:25] or opposition succeeded to that about their re-appointment.

[4:29] But you can see the problem with Mayor Miller became a member of the Fire Board because he

[4:38] would elect Mayor of Hyder.

[4:40] And that's not how it's supposed to be.

[4:43] And that's true of Mayor Rudy as well.

[4:48] There was also a problem with Lindsey Peterson's deployment.

[4:53] It wasn't done by the County Council, I think it was done by the Fire Board.

[4:58] And so we looked at that and just said, it's screwed up.

[5:03] The best way to clean it up is to just re-appoint everyone.

[5:10] But the state statute says, for fire boards, you have to advertise for 30 days for appointments.

[5:18] So we're going through that process.

[5:23] My understanding subject to further legal advice is that I'm the one that makes the

[5:30] appointments subject to the advice and consent of the county council.

[5:37] My intention is to appoint to the fireboard, the same people that are now on the fireboard,

[5:44] include with that the additional mayors and so forth and then the fireboard, once it's

[5:52] convened, we'll pass a new set of by-law, the set-up of the eleventh districts, and

[6:00] they would just happen to be conformed to people at points to a higher award. So

[6:06] that's what's happening. It's a procedural thing, but it is causing us

[6:11] difficulty because we have like a September date where we have to decide what the

[6:17] levy is going to be. So I need to get that fireboard in a place in order to make

[6:24] those dates. So my end, I think the time period for people to apply is August 23rd.

[6:34] And I have a County Council meeting on the 25th.

[6:38] So my intent is close and make the appointments on the 25th can be in the fireboard that week and then have them take control of deciding what

[6:49] Laby we could just continue the existing Laby not by the county, but just convert that into the fireboard Laby, but that's something for the fireboard to decide.

[7:00] So I think the question was also what about the steering committee, or we now will legal?

[7:06] No, no, no, we're just hearing communities advisory anyway.

[7:11] So, and frankly, we've met in the fireboard acknowledging we can't do anything, but no, we, we've

[7:17] elected to just proceed as fat as we can.

[7:21] The steering committee has no legal status anyway, but we're just, and I think we're giving

[7:28] public notice of these meetings.

[7:30] Yes, sir. Now, I kind of feel bad that the impression of people is that I can apply for the fireboard, maybe get out. I can't, I mean, they're free to apply, but I'm going to choose, that's my intention. I'm not bound to do that, or I could choose some of the people, but there's another element of the fireboard that people may not understand, and that is if you're employed.

[8:00] by the fireboard, or if you're under contract with the fireboard.

[8:07] So if you were employed by a city that has a contract with the fireboard,

[8:11] you're prohibited from being on the fireboard.

[8:15] So essentially that rules out anybody that knows anything about fire,

[8:21] you know the fireboard, which isn't a good idea.

[8:24] But so I've got some appointments from people who are good people, would be good to serve.

[8:34] But if there are a volunteer firemen in Paradise, I can't put them on the board.

[8:41] Is that right, Chief?

[8:53] Yes.

[8:54] So, they should not be allowed to serve on that capacity.

[8:57] I think that attracts both through the bylaws and in fact, you see.

[9:00] What?

[9:01] I mean, that wouldn't keep us from putting someone on the board

[9:06] who is a retired fire chief and no longer employed.

[9:11] But Chief Hammer is a volunteer fireman in Louis, isn't he?

[9:17] All right, yeah.

[9:19] OK.

[9:20] I thought he was for his EMS stuff, so if he's health insurance.

[9:24] Anyway, I'm not, I'm, my intention is to just put the same people back on the board.

[9:32] That makes sense.

[9:34] I have some things to update you from from the North.

[9:39] What other things do I have to update you on?

[9:46] I think that's the critical things that I've been involved in.

[9:50] I've met with the North last night.

[9:52] We had a good meeting with the North.

[9:54] I think, right, just have to be honest with you, I think, some of the images is weighing

[10:03] what the benefit and difficulties of the association with the fire district is.

[10:11] And one of their big concerns is that the North, one where another is going to take money from the

[10:18] north to find the south. They seem to be focused on that. That pair to say, Chief, and we

[10:27] assured them in three different languages, that wasn't going to happen, but they still

[10:33] seem to be concerned about it.

[10:35] And they believe that because there's more people on the part of me.

[10:37] And they believe that because there's more people on the north side of the north.

[10:39] No, no, they believe that somehow they're going to end up paying for the EMS function on

[10:46] of the sound.

[10:48] They asked me, you have an EMS chief in here, are you going to be paying the

[10:55] athletes at the home, and then they said, well, what about the chief that the chief is

[11:00] the portion?

[11:01] We're going to get a, you know, you get an arm and we get two legs and an arm and we'll

[11:06] run for range of compensation accordingly, and we talk down the uniforms as to who be paying

[11:13] for the uniform for the paramedics in the sound.

[11:15] So, but it's very hard to persuade a person against their will.

[11:29] Mayor Jankens, talk, speak to this group a little bit about your freedom with our subcommittee, the direction we're going.

[11:39] We're making progress, we're spending our wheels.

[11:42] Yeah, so I think the subcommittee, steering the sub-staring committee of the South steering committee is making great progress thanks to efforts by the judges.

[11:55] I think that we're understanding what assets there are, we're understanding what the cost will be for operation down to the detail of

[12:11] of South Paramedic Squad and the cost associated with that, which would be worn completely

[12:19] by the South.

[12:20] We can, with proper documentation help try to let the North understand that two stations

[12:31] that are kind of like zones within, the South EMS covered area.

[12:40] one is higher on Paradise. One is Nibli Millville. A third category there is

[12:49] Wellsville, Menden. And then I know there are other stations involved there too.

[12:57] But Paradise, I don't see any anyway, but I think we understand the cost, the operating cost.

[13:03] I understand what it's going to take to move forward with that. A lot of that was in our last subcommittee meeting

[13:09] And maybe we're going to cover some of those details in this south meeting, I don't know, but you'll see those details today.

[13:18] I think we're trying to understand what this thing works like to get the MS code.

[13:24] And then fire fits right in with that same discussion.

[13:27] Positive, mayor or negative.

[13:31] Which direction?

[13:31] Oh, I get it just said it seems like we're going in the right direction.

[13:36] And let's edit that.

[13:39] With lots of questions.

[13:42] A few other questions then before.

[13:45] Chief George, give us, give this group your thoughts on our subcommittee, where we're

[13:52] at it.

[13:54] Yes, it is.

[13:57] I'm positive on the direction that we're going because of what it will do to keep us working

[14:02] together.

[14:04] And so I think there's been a lot of great work that's been done there, a lot of compromise on everybody's heart to try to develop a system that will not only serve us today, but potentially serve for, you know, 15-20 years in the future.

[14:34] I defer to my radio.

[14:38] I think we're headed in the right direction.

[14:43] There's always, in recent questions, and I think we've got to work a few questions out, but I like the direction that we're going to, I think that makes a lot of sense.

[14:52] I'm not sure what impact, if any, if Smith will pull out of the district, what would that have on the end?

[15:00] I'm going to ask you a little bit more about what we're going to do to our steering committee or the board.

[15:06] I've just got to have some insight. You know, it's hard to read the situation there.

[15:13] Mayor Rudy is quiet, but his fire chief is not.

[15:25] And I pushed back one of the things that really bothered me that I didn't feel like it was

[15:32] appropriate for me to push back is the bar chief of their attack chief George. He attacked

[15:40] him because he hadn't been to his fire station. And I just, I mean, I don't keep George

[15:49] working as hard as he can. He's got, you know, 9-18 different cities and, and, for whatever

[15:58] reason he had been there, but, but Smithfield, Chief thought that was something he could

[16:05] really embarrass, Chief George, that he hadn't been to his fire station. So he had a bunch

[16:11] of time talking about that. I had to control my temper. I had to interact with him a few minutes

[16:18] later, and I got angry at him over this repeated statement that the North is being robbed

[16:23] by the South.

[16:25] And I felt like I should have said, hey, if Chief George wasn't there, did you invite me?

[16:33] When he became the Chief, did you welcome him?

[16:35] Did you ask him to come to your station?

[16:38] Did you make an effort?

[16:39] Why are you complaining about the fact that he'd been the Clarks, didn't he not to your place?

[16:44] You know, I just thought it was a nasty thing to do in front of 20 other people, and

[16:51] she'd Georgia, I apologize, maybe I should have had it when it was going.

[16:57] It was just that half of the people there were the Smithfield Fire Department, and I just

[17:01] didn't think it was conducive to getting to the end of that way, but I thought it would

[17:08] very unfair, very unprofessional, and it's a kind of thing that destroys the unity we need

[17:14] to go forward.

[17:18] So, so that said, what would be the impact, if it's Smithfield pulled out of this street?

[17:24] Well, you can see a fire, we've talked about having a one fire district on the north and

[17:30] one on the south, okay, that could happen.

[17:34] You take all the north cities out of the fire district and we're left with the fire district and just the south.

[17:41] Does that mean we'll money for us?

[17:43] No, no, no, but we don't have to deal with them.

[17:48] Well, the problem is that if Smithfield pulls out what happened to Clark and Lilithton and Richman and Amalgam,

[17:58] and Peter's Burl, and they'll not incorporate areas up there.

[18:04] I think that

[18:09] the group up there,

[18:13] it's going to hold Smithfield in,

[18:18] notwithstanding that she thinks,

[18:20] I think, Mayor Peterson and High Park,

[18:25] North Logan and High Park,

[18:27] sees the value of having an alternative to just Smithfield

[18:32] because Ms. Bill, the grassy behavior toward cheap tort, whether they know it or not,

[18:39] the people there were noting that is that how they're going to treat us when the fire district

[18:44] isn't here, because they would be, and Mayor Miller, you aren't doing that here.

[19:01] You're not

[19:02] work, I think Smithfield will stick.

[19:08] Well, I think that's good.

[19:09] But I think I like the focus of the South End.

[19:12] I think we're going in the right direction.

[19:14] I think, you know, like you said, I think there's some numbers that have been once we get down in the weeds.

[19:18] We're going to have to work out, but I think we can.

[19:23] So, no, I think every at this point, I think that last reading we had, I think,

[19:27] brought us up to where we could see the idea.

[19:31] And I think we're kind of within reach of it.

[19:39] Most things are well done if you leave them open and you just have the faith to walk down

[19:45] the road a little further and see how things actually play out.

[19:52] But I did pick up some information.

[19:55] I want to convey to you, Mayor Jacobs, and one of the raging things they were, where

[20:07] that in the South were spending too much money on EMS and so forth.

[20:14] I don't know that you want to listen too much to them, but I think it's the interesting

[20:19] for you and Justin to go up and really pin down what they recommend we change in the South.

[20:28] Because I think they think we're spending too much money on EMS and I don't have the

[20:35] where with all the reading figure that out was why they think that.

[20:40] But I think particular to you or you're trying to figure out how to structure your situation

[20:46] with the problem, mill bill, nibbling situation.

[20:50] Appreciate your taking a look at what we're trying to do there too.

[20:55] I think we've meant to visit and look at ways we could work together between the three cities.

[21:01] the three cities makes sense toward together.

[21:04] For sure.

[21:05] Yeah, I think the three of you ought to go

[21:07] sit down with Smithfield just as the fact

[21:10] thing is saying, what would you suggest we do

[21:13] and see what they have to say?

[21:16] Who wins with those?

[21:17] Get them a good chief.

[21:19] Go ahead, the one that thinks he's got a better way

[21:21] to do things.

[21:23] It wasn't appropriate in the meeting to try

[21:26] take a part what he was proposing.

[21:28] But I think you ought to go.

[21:30] Just to be said if I'm happy to go.

[21:32] You know, when people oppose you, the best thing to do is listen carefully and try and understand

[21:38] rather than oppose, just push back is to try and understand what they're saying and see if there's some merit to what he's proposing.

[21:47] And I would.

[21:48] I would suggest we, when we go to that meeting, we're armed with the detail of the financial.

[21:54] Yeah.

[21:56] Financial details are covered in black.

[21:57] I think what you're doing is actually building a better quality service than what Smithfield's going to recommend to you.

[22:04] You can do on the chief, but I think that's it's worth listening to them to see that.

[22:10] But you probably will have to bear a bunch of insults to get the data out of them because he's

[22:25] just from my perspective.

[22:30] I have to take, I see in the committee in the subcommittee moving in a very positive direction, but

[22:39] I believe it's moving in a positive direction because adults sit down and honestly act like adults. Does

[22:47] that mean that we don't have feelings here, and that we don't have feelings here? Are they

[22:51] strong feelings, and sometimes those feelings have to be suppressed.

[22:57] And I commend the subcommittee.

[23:01] You have done that very well, and there have been heated times, but I commend never

[23:07] I commend Hiram, very honestly, for a lack of a better word, I think there's been a considerable

[23:16] amount of pride, swallow in both directions from very good man and individuals that are trying

[23:27] to work this through.

[23:29] I also agree that numbers, everything else, that's an evolving process that we're going

[23:35] to have to continue to look at, continue to make those things work for us.

[23:40] I have been very impressed with the direction that the subcommittee is going, hopefully, hopefully.

[23:50] And I've just made some notes here good, good.

[23:54] That when the Board of Trustees meet, that we can be at that meeting and honestly show a united front in support of the direction that we're going.

[24:06] I believe that that is extremely important for us to get whatever this ends up across the

[24:14] business. So I salute those guys.

[24:22] We cannot measure the amount of work that

[24:27] a higher emcity is done for EMS and that nibbley is doing and there's no way in the world.

[24:36] I don't know what executive Daines gets paid for the county.

[24:43] But it is chicken feed compared to the amount of time and energy that his office has put into this program.

[24:52] It can be consumed, but we need to now, I believe, decide the direction we're going, take

[25:02] those steps as an executive torch, as said, have the courage to step down that road to

[25:08] the unknown and solve the unknown when we get there.

[25:12] So why applaud you?

[25:14] I think we are moving in the right direction and just to comment, I've heard from the very

[25:20] beginning that the North, they don't have the problems that the South does.

[25:25] I'm not just sure that's correct this morning.

[25:30] I think they're different from probably just trying to avoid.

[25:33] Yeah, thank you, Justin.

[25:36] Just for a few minutes, George, if you would, could you kind of bring us up today on numbers

[25:42] where we're at, we're looking at for the whole committee to look at?

[25:47] You know, this spreadsheet

[25:55] in here somewhere.

[26:01] It's not the right one.

[26:13] Here we go.

[26:14] There you go.

[26:15] You know, the way the subcommittee is working,

[26:21] let me kind of explain it.

[26:23] We would keep the paramedic teams at the district level.

[26:30] And then we would have basically three divisions, and they're what Larry explained, is

[26:41] carbon paradise,

[26:44] manned in Wellsville, and Millville, Nibli, and maybe in some way,

[26:51] Providence sooner or later.

[26:53] Good like our name on it.

[26:54] Give me a coffee.

[26:55] We just like our name on it.

[26:57] Show me the money.

[26:58] If you don't get coffee, my money's gone in just like yours.

[27:02] It's really cool.

[27:04] Yeah, this kind of explained what we're working through.

[27:09] And so some of the details here involve how much money do we need at the district level to run the paramount.

[27:17] That is what the backs up these municipal units.

[27:23] So that's kind of where we focus.

[27:26] I'm just wondering if we want to make coffee for you.

[27:31] I don't know about that piece.

[27:32] I think we passed this out before, didn't we?

[27:36] Well, did you just have a sense?

[27:38] I hope the subcommittee did this up to me.

[27:40] All right, let's go ahead and get a call.

[27:42] I'll make that.

[27:45] But this is kind of a system we're talking about,

[27:50] and in the concept of, okay,

[27:52] What is cost or done at the district level and what cost or done by each city with the idea, the D3 municipal teams, and I guess that's what we could call municipal teams, would bear some cost, and the thought would be a cost that the municipalities would bear, and that they would get revenue from that to offset those operations.

[28:22] So, when we apportion what we need at the district among the paramedics and some portion of not just sound district, but overall district advances, do we have enough money to do that and we're close?

[28:42] If we look through the apportionment, we're close to having enough money at the district level

[28:50] with the division of funds that we've talked about to do that in order to run the municipal

[28:57] teams, nibbly have to come up with additional funding, and that's probably the most

[29:04] taking point.

[29:06] Hirem is in a position to offer to assist

[29:10] Nibli in providing that service.

[29:13] And so that's a financial negotiation between Nibli

[29:17] and Hirem that is ongoing, correct Larry.

[29:21] Yes, perhaps, Melville as well.

[29:25] And Melville and something, Proverbs.

[29:28] So when, as a part of that, we're taking a look

[29:33] our station that's in the north part of Hiram, what do we call that station?

[29:40] One thing is to call it the one-hit accounting station, if there's a point, it would

[29:46] become the Millville Middle East station temporarily until we somehow figure out how to

[29:52] locate a station that would approximate the province of Millville in New York.

[29:57] And we talked in general terms.

[30:01] How we would make that transition. And Hiram has told us that they could, they would have a use in their system for that station.

[30:13] And that has some elements that makes sense to everyone when we look at how units are distributed in the valley.

[30:23] Where we call it a county station, the land actually was given to the county by higher.

[30:30] I think it no cost.

[30:32] So it isn't like, it isn't.

[30:37] Higher does have some rights given that.

[30:41] But what we really like is a new station out in the Nibli Providence Millville area.

[30:47] So we're looking at how all of that would fit together.

[30:50] that's the issue that we're really focused on.

[30:54] Chief, you did the apportionments after our meeting.

[31:00] I didn't bring what you sent me and I don't know

[31:04] if you circulated that to the Senate jump and did you, I didn't.

[31:11] I don't know that that's insurculated, maybe,

[31:23] but.

[31:23] What was your, when you did the apportionment,

[31:28] how much money would need to run the district from the south,

[31:32] which would be $0.50 on and then the EMA.

[31:36] I

[31:38] don't want my back door.

[31:39] This one, he's selling one's deck?

[31:41] Yeah.

[31:42] So I want my back door.

[31:44] He wants no other seat, right now he's selling it.

[31:48] No more money.

[31:50] Sorry, I just said to find that one.

[31:51] So the administrative costs based on the kind of the

[31:55] foreign EMS law that we're looking at right now,

[31:57] So the South costs $570,000,000, $27,000, the North is $120,000, $514,000.

[32:07] 100,000.

[32:08] 121,514 is kind of that breakdown.

[32:11] And that's for services that would be provided.

[32:15] It may be available to the North.

[32:19] That's where equitable for those services.

[32:22] What does the North want to start?

[32:26] And once I have a good email list to this group, which I can pull off of the just and

[32:32] sends out, I can share this with everybody.

[32:35] So, the 1201 to the door, I have a 25, 517, 427, so 517, 517, 517, 517, and then in the south,

[32:47] you have roughly the same amount, and then additional sums of the DMF, what did you pick

[32:52] to the EMS at the district level.

[32:58] Yeah, now I'm sorry.

[33:02] So the regional paramedic squad was 1973, 1969,

[33:11] that's for both times staffing, 2473, 65 with hard timers to backfill behind them.

[33:20] It goes all the way through the entire office.

[33:22] Now, just so you kind of got that, if you take those two numbers, 973 and 121, you're

[33:32] about a million one, which would be our contribution to the district as a whole and running

[33:40] the paramedic squad in the south.

[33:43] The portion of the 3.9 that we get, not including providence and not including river height,

[33:51] There's about a million two left, so that would cover that paramedic squat with a little room to spare.

[34:05] Then if you take the municipality picking up their squads out of their municipal funds, then we're reading pretty close.

[34:15] And the real question is, is how efficiently can millville nibbley, whether it is better to build something yourself, or some hybrid with hire, or just hire hiring to do it?

[34:33] I think that's the issue that nibbley millville.

[34:37] We have to work out.

[34:39] Yeah.

[34:40] I understand the premise a lot better than you.

[34:42] But the point is, is we, we can make that work.

[34:49] Where, if you don't want to do this detail,

[34:52] less than in the subcommittee, we talked about this.

[34:55] I wasn't, I didn't realize I'd understand everything.

[34:59] Where will the, the South Cache,

[35:03] Paramedics Squad house?

[35:06] Do they have a, do they have a base on the,

[35:09] so the thought as we built the South was to continue to use,

[35:13] But the station that they're currently in, and then over time, as the system evolves, and other resources become available, then work together to decide, okay, is that still the best location that we're in, or it doesn't need to be somewhere else.

[35:25] We'll have call data that we'll start to show.

[35:28] There's greater need for paramedics in this specific area, and so it makes sense to start to shift.

[35:34] Where are they currently in?

[35:35] Yes.

[35:36] We have currently during that station at Save Station.

[35:39] There must be a lot of people out there who have been there for quite a month.

[35:41] So, if I were in there with 50 for a paramedic any MSG?

[35:46] So, to be clear, nibli milville need to also cover the NTs quad.

[35:55] We're on the hook for it.

[35:56] We'll talk to you guys about how we get that done.

[35:58] We'll try to, you know, make the right decision, potentially parable problems being that discussion.

[36:03] You do have a score, and I think you're just talking about that.

[36:07] Thank you.

[36:07] You know that.

[36:09] You're the first place in Australia.

[36:12] Yeah.

[36:12] I'm referring to what I thought would be, you know,

[36:15] about $377,000 that we need.

[36:19] Yes.

[36:20] I wouldn't be part of that.

[36:23] So just to clear that the paramedics squad,

[36:27] even if it's covering EMS in the south,

[36:31] Newly City and all of us have further obligations at the municipal level.

[36:36] If you want a parametric service, yes.

[36:39] But we've got to do, everybody, that's what they're going to do.

[36:42] And then you have to take a look.

[36:45] One of the things, if we have enough money to run the paramedics squad

[36:53] from the district funds, then when revenue comes in from the call, that can be distributed

[37:03] to the cities to offset their expenses. So that number that you're looking at is

[37:22] the

[37:22] I mean, I see the operational providers and workers were tied in the interim obviously.

[37:30] He has a fire chief, we have an MS coordinator, an MS providers, those MS, from the MS perspective were more of the first responder rather than the term medic, we don't have a full term medic team.

[37:45] From this graphic, does that imply that we would then fall under highroom instead? So we would fall under the highroom chief, we would no longer have a chief.

[37:56] You know, how does that group be?

[38:00] Is there a means that higher than covering you for amends?

[38:06] It's okay.

[38:11] And that was the whole, about paramedic, wise.

[38:15] Yes.

[38:15] This is the advantage of the county we've come to hire.

[38:17] That's the advantage of this whole thing.

[38:19] Each department maintains its identity, their charge of the service they want, the

[38:24] level of service they want.

[38:25] But that was just a piece of the two of us, and there was only one fire chief, and one, but that's per area, so.

[38:34] Okay, same thing, when Menden and Wellsville, they would continue their structures in their cities just the way it is.

[38:48] And so, funding that we have currently gotten from the county, we would get from the fire district, or we would get from the fire district.

[38:58] The difference.

[38:59] Fire just went through a voucher.

[39:02] Yeah.

[39:02] It's the fire board.

[39:06] Yes.

[39:06] And I'll bear in mind that money that we're talking about using to fund the paramedic

[39:12] is coming from those vouchers.

[39:18] So the idea of getting new money, you're getting use of the money now by the pound.

[39:27] You still be getting use of the money if it's the paramedics squad, but with the new levee,

[39:34] you still want to be able to take it.

[39:35] They stand to get more of the new levee on the accord for the unincorporate.

[39:40] Yeah, and frankly, you get more and then a year from now, you get quite a bit more,

[39:48] because we're going to have more parties and stuff.

[39:51] Yeah, right.

[39:52] Yeah, well, why don't I have more emergencies.

[39:54] It's more of a, well, that's a, more of a,

[39:58] is a quality tax that you've mentioned goes into play

[40:03] for the anti-corporated area, which is,

[40:05] is that a slam dunk?

[40:07] No, nothing to slam, I think it's a slam dunk.

[40:09] I like a slam dunk, I feel an assumption at this point.

[40:12] But, you know, I think I've got the council moving toward

[40:19] that if the cities do what Chad just described

[40:23] go over there and to unify passion and say, we're ready to go. We think we can do it. Turn it over to us. Give us the rains. I think it will happen. But if we have a situation like in the north where they're talking about how are they going to get out of the district and it will upset the apple car.

[40:47] So, I think, from our physicians, it's not much of a change, I mean, we're already pretty

[40:52] implied with iron.

[40:53] Right.

[40:53] Already.

[40:55] So, that sounds like it's kind of pretty much business as a rule.

[41:00] Yeah.

[41:00] And that's the other point, we don't want to, we don't want to be a lot more of a change, anything.

[41:05] We want this to keep moving forward, and even in the better way, because this gives

[41:11] you a pair of medics.

[41:13] They're freezing from an ambulance, so they can go wherever I need to immediately.

[41:18] Okay, thank you.

[41:21] Yeah, if nothing else is whole exercise,

[41:23] it's helped me understand where to expect and be responsible in our town and hopefully other

[41:29] work to expect and be responsible for services.

[41:33] Who do we get from?

[41:35] What do we get from this entity?

[41:39] Where are responsible for covering those costs?

[41:43] That detail itself.

[41:44] But at the same time, I'm trying to take county department and convert it to the fire district.

[41:54] What we talk about, having more money, that's clearly true in the norm.

[41:59] In the south, we have really been funded to some extent by the taxes on Logan in the norm.

[42:06] So we are going to bear more financial burden in the south and we're stretching trying to cover

[42:11] just what we're doing.

[42:15] I don't think you should regard the county as a political

[42:19] entity, not being supportive of the fire district. I went to the HR

[42:26] person at the county and kind of got a commitment that for a thousand or two

[42:31] she'll take care of our HR need, which we will have some if we have the

[42:36] when we talked to our finance guy, he said for a thousand or two, he'll handle the financial.

[42:43] So that we don't have to build a new superstructures to do that.

[42:49] And the state ordinances that set up fire districts specifically,

[42:53] say that counties can provide that assistance to the fire district,

[42:58] along as there is some consideration given for those cars.

[43:04] So I think we still can use some of the county platform to offset some administrative costs.

[43:13] I mean we had to go get an HR director at the fire district level or a finance person.

[43:21] So I think the county's bills support you.

[43:24] I also think Larry that the county would be supportive of trying to help both three cities get a fire station.

[43:33] And I just don't count on it, but access to some funding and bonding and things like that

[43:45] might be where it not money is logistical support to help you get a fire station.

[43:54] I can see it in the right place where Melville, Nibli, and maybe problems.

[43:59] And so I see that as a, you know, we need to be working on that and we ready to have an understanding of that two years from now.

[44:07] So that when Providence is ready to get out from underneath Logan or he wants to stay in the world.

[44:12] But if you want to do that's the time, you know, that's an evolving situation.

[44:17] We have to cover.

[44:18] We have to cover now.

[44:20] And then we have to look for it.

[44:21] That's happening.

[44:22] As frankly, you've got a city that's willing to continue to provide you contract services to tied to well-versal.

[44:32] I think Nimble is going to be fine. You're going to be a little poor, but I think you're going to be fine.

[44:38] Yeah. I'm already starting to talk and do an architect in the bank.

[44:42] I mean, we'll well under our way to understand what we need to do.

[44:46] Another saying, it's okay to be poor.

[44:49] You can use to it.

[44:52] You know, we talk a lot about, we talk a lot about money and dollars.

[45:00] In station 150, what's our response time to the north end of Millville or Providence? Honestly, down

[45:10] the state road 65, with that straight shot, that has to be about the same time as coming out of

[45:18] and navigating all the traffic, we'll work all that out before we build the station.

[45:24] It seems to me like we are far high-of-washes, you know, good enough, we've been mapping

[45:31] on how that affects us, so I think for us, we can, the three cities with us, I think

[45:36] we can start turn for Nibli and maybe Nibli and Nibli and Nibli and Nibli and Nibli and Nibli

[45:42] EMS we're going to have to use station 150 and whether that's on a contract through

[45:47] higher on that's using station 150 or whether

[45:51] nibbling and maybe nibbling milvil is leasing from the fire district because

[45:56] it's a fire district on asset. I mean that we don't expect anything for free and

[46:02] I will say that to help the north understand that but what we get that's anything

[46:08] or Nibli Mivel gets is not because we're those two towns,

[46:14] is because that's the...

[46:16] Yeah, I was paying for it.

[46:18] I wouldn't spend a lot of time calculating a lease payment on $10.150.

[46:23] I just wouldn't.

[46:25] Our equipment is at different locations in the valley.

[46:29] And we're not charging a lease rate on our pump or truck that sits out in the

[46:38] I'm just trying to make sure it's just things.

[46:40] Trock, we're not grinding that fine, Larry.

[46:44] So I think the idea that an additional cost to you

[46:48] is ordered to hire new things, station 150.

[46:53] I don't think I have a lot of time.

[46:56] Something nominal, right?

[46:59] Acknowledging that you don't own the station

[47:01] is an appropriate thing.

[47:03] But the idea that we're going to send in the praise

[47:05] out there and figure out how much ran we're going to go to Kansas City.

[47:10] Well, I think they'll be better.

[47:12] I think they'd probably be better funding to like the federal government likes to give money

[47:17] for to help rural communities.

[47:20] Well, that's the long term that we build in the United States and further north.

[47:27] County has a really strong vested interest in the fire district because we have no way.

[47:34] no way possible to protect the unincorporated areas without the cooperation of the city

[47:42] fire department. We cannot, there's no feasible way to do that. So you're going to find

[47:48] we always have an incentive to help the fire district and regard that as a favorite child.

[47:58] And also to coordinate the municipalities within the district, we all live in the county,

[48:03] I think the leadership of the idea that it is important.

[48:08] Who here is defined by their city boundaries?

[48:12] If you've got kids, they're not living in the same town.

[48:15] Your brother is living in a different...

[48:17] The idea that you don't care what happens in the ably because I live in high room.

[48:21] That's just a joke.

[48:24] Nobody operates that way in this valley.

[48:28] Well, it's filled with fire chiefs that are well in our last set of me.

[48:31] What makes you stronger makes us stronger?

[48:34] Yeah.

[48:35] And I think in this whole thing, we talk a lot about EMAS and there's a lot of attention there

[48:41] as there should be.

[48:44] Well, let's keep going back for minds in forward.

[48:48] The fire has to be taken care of also.

[48:51] But we can't just ignore that, we let's not lose side of the other end of this.

[48:59] But I think we're coming to the conclusion.

[49:02] You've got to tell me if I'm wrong, that fire and EMS belong together.

[49:06] We have personnel that are across the drain as EMTs, as firefighters.

[49:12] They have to have a home base.

[49:16] I mean, that's one of the beauties for Nivelli is, for this whole thing is, we're talking about

[49:22] fire and EMS at the same time now, instead of what we do with the county for EMS, what we do with

[49:28] the firearm for fire.

[49:30] It's inefficient, the split we've had in the south.

[49:34] It's not been a good idea.

[49:36] It was an necessary evil at the time that Simpsons went away.

[49:39] But now it's time to get back together.

[49:42] Executive Dames, what can this group do to support you moving forward and now it's like us to do that?

[49:54] We've got to look at the fire history door on probably the next meeting after the August 25 meeting.

[50:03] The next meeting of the County Council for meeting in September is probably where we need to go and say,

[50:11] We're ready, turn over the fun, give us control.

[50:16] And I don't think they'll do it in the first meeting

[50:18] in September, but I think they ought to have that

[50:21] proposal in front of them.

[50:24] And then the second meeting in September, first meeting

[50:30] on October.

[50:32] So that's both day through reading past, guys.

[50:36] Justin, would you make sure that this group gets those

[50:41] that may be a reminder moving forward on those days.

[50:44] Mr. Soda, we don't sort of get in this list.

[50:48] I think we're going to have to call a meeting

[50:51] of the north and south together and walk through

[50:55] how to approach the situation.

[51:00] I've got a approach when we Smithfield, will you have

[51:02] in your share that we can re-use in the south?

[51:05] I don't think we'll be the correct approach.

[51:07] No, I don't think so.

[51:08] I don't think so.

[51:09] It would be a good idea, would be the issue of order.

[51:15] We've decided that you need to deliver that.

[51:19] Now to Clark.

[51:20] And we need that delivery tomorrow.

[51:26] Anything else, gentlemen, ladies, that you would like to discuss,

[51:30] at least come before this committee today?

[51:36] I just have a follow-up question from Tumi who's a girl.

[51:40] You're indicated that the county council was not.

[51:42] That's what we were ready to take on and keep thought that has changed.

[51:47] Well, we're not ready for it.

[51:51] We're not completely ready, but if we take these taps in September and October,

[51:57] I think we will be ready by January 1.

[52:00] You could be between now and then all the fireboard have to do it.

[52:05] Continue to run the status quo.

[52:07] We just go from the county running the status quo and having the fireboard run the status quo.

[52:14] Yeah, I think in that sense we're ready to do that and it gives us another three months before.

[52:22] But it also allows us to start making the transition.

[52:27] So, I don't think we're...

[52:30] Ready to put this system in place on October 1, but we don't have to. We have to have this system probably in place by our January 1,

[52:46] which means we have to make decisions starting out.

[52:48] Yeah, we have, we have, we have the same thing.

[52:50] For example, the decision we're going to have

[52:52] to make in September is our current county

[52:59] levy, the good, the fire fund is around 344 mills.

[53:06] And do we continue that at 344 mills?

[53:08] Or do we move it up to 400 mills?

[53:12] Or do we move it down to 300 mills?

[53:14] That decision will be upon us in two or three weeks.

[53:21] Yeah, I think I can wait till I can wait till that day to talk about it.

[53:29] I mean, it's not going to cover it, right?

[53:32] So one of the nice things about it is not enough.

[53:35] It's not enough. It's not enough.

[53:36] It's not enough.

[53:38] And the cities have to make up the difference.

[53:41] So it's Peter and Paul.

[53:42] We have two sources of funding, we can kind of adjust between the two.

[53:50] Well, and keep in mind some of us that he's had a pretty small revenue to adjust for that.

[53:57] So to just simply say you can pick up the tab is a questionable thing to some degree.

[54:05] I mean, yes to a degree, I agree with that statement.

[54:10] But yeah, it's not as indie for us to perhaps come up with a bunch of extra revenues.

[54:15] Maybe it would be for higher or more even, and maybe some of these with a much greater population.

[54:22] So it's not based on populations based on text about it.

[54:25] So it's all around it's different in a town with less taxable value.

[54:30] Yeah, and right.

[54:32] But we go ahead and let me just say something to you.

[54:35] realize that in your fire district, two-thirds of the users are county users, right, on the

[54:42] Ellen Corporate and county, so I'm in the same foxhole with you, okay, don't have any

[54:48] revenue at all from. You don't have any revenue at all from, and we know we're going to have

[54:55] a bunch of revenue coming in in the late 2007. We have high hopes of that. I don't know.

[55:02] That will be decided at the same time that we decide the fire level.

[55:08] And if I can actually do it correctly, I'd like that to actually happen before we have to set the level of our district.

[55:16] But don't ever think I'm not in the same foxhole with you.

[55:21] Two-thirds of the people that you're concerned about are my responsibility.

[55:27] But let me ask this, I'll say, I want to add one more thing.

[55:34] Not only are two-thirds of my responsibility, I've got an entity that's got enough reserve

[55:40] that it could anticipate that revenue at the end of 2007.

[55:46] I've got something you don't have, and that is, I've got the capacity to forward advance

[55:52] if I need to, to make sure that the paradise area is covered.

[55:57] We appreciate that.

[55:58] And the disposition to do it is necessary.

[56:03] Which is more, I'm liking that already.

[56:06] Well, I think the little cities here are the ones that are really at grip.

[56:13] Yes, midfield and higher, we're going to power through this without any problem,

[56:17] but the cities like Nibli that have to scramble a system and paradise.

[56:22] and the county is not walking away from helping get this thing off the ground and making

[56:30] a word.

[56:34] That's good.

[56:36] Maybe

[56:39] something that I think is really important and hopefully everyone's doing this

[56:44] and if you're not, please do.

[56:47] As time goes on we're feeling better and better about this, some united.

[56:51] How many of you have spoken to here, county council member?

[56:55] How many of you, I have to agree, it's hard to be very specific about anything, because

[57:01] it involves so quickly.

[57:03] Exactly.

[57:04] They're both in about the over-hard team goals that we're trying to do.

[57:07] That's a good point.

[57:08] Well, they're really interested in that, and I'll tell you, no one and I have had a really

[57:13] good relationship over years, and our last visit, as I've said, I'm feeling better, way

[57:19] better than I was early on. And he told me that means something to me coming for

[57:25] you. Yeah, and you and we will we will I will contact no. So I think that's going to be

[57:33] you John these others. Yeah, Catherine, who understand Nibli's predicament. Oh wait, we talk

[57:40] about county council. Yes, because I'm talking about county council members because that's a big

[57:46] You know, I'm here and right here, well, this is a hope.

[57:50] Well, a lot of this is bearing on them, and they're ready to let them know, hey, we're comfortable

[57:57] with this.

[57:58] We think we can do it.

[57:59] That's the last conversation I had with Nolan, me, said that means everything to me

[58:03] hearing that.

[58:04] And understand, as I watch the county council, many of those live in the unison court-forated

[58:11] areas.

[58:12] That's the tax on the unincorporated area is going to affect them directly.

[58:18] We have to leave the cell line to the right place and say, yes, it's good for you.

[58:25] So it's important that these south enders around our site is if I'm counting right, you've

[58:29] got two green logan that are going on.

[58:32] So one, two on the north.

[58:34] So this is going to be important to have our south enders on our site.

[58:38] That bothers me a lot, they said we could get the vote.

[58:45] And he has the disposition for that also.

[58:49] So I think that's important, everybody should.

[58:52] I think that's critical.

[58:56] Let me just go back to the matter.

[58:59] If your city spends any money out of its general fund,

[59:04] or any money from fees collected from citizens,

[59:07] on a utility bill, which means that there is a balance between this voucher revenue that comes

[59:17] in and what your city has to make up to provide a fire in the EMS. So if men in or

[59:25] a paradise spend any money for fire in the EMS protection out of your general fund, if the voucher

[59:33] those up that could go down and departure goes down, that's got to go up right. So that's

[59:39] how I see the balancing at. We need to worry about the cost of districts, protection and service.

[59:48] We need to worry about our own municipal costs and protection at the level that we're defined.

[59:54] But I think the balance in saying, well we can't afford a bigger voucher or we need to

[1:00:00] That's all fine, but if we go for a small voucher, we have to make it up someone.

[1:00:05] Right. That's all right. That's all right.

[1:00:07] Actually, the other court-rated, they're going to get two taxes.

[1:00:12] I mean, if you weren't, I mean, I kind of set a goal and it may not be enough,

[1:00:20] but the unincorporated between the fire district and the minutes of what paid 100 meals.

[1:00:28] So, if you raise the levy for the fire district, it will reduce the municipal services tax.

[1:00:36] Just like you're talking about in the city.

[1:00:38] So, there's a connection between the two.

[1:00:42] But 800 mills is kind of what I'm positing is about an average.

[1:00:48] But the truth is, is that hiring citizens are paying more than 800 mills between the county and the city now.

[1:00:55] and you're paying less than that.

[1:00:57] And so that's when coming to terms with that, yeah.

[1:01:00] And I think equalizing this thing all over the county

[1:01:03] makes a lot of sense, and then letting the cities decide

[1:01:07] how much they want to do, and it gives higher

[1:01:11] and a little credit for having a fire station and you not.

[1:01:15] You know, that's in there.

[1:01:19] I think we're in great shape in the south.

[1:01:23] I think we're far enough along that we see

[1:01:25] we can make it to the finish line.

[1:01:28] You said that about the North, but we could go.

[1:01:32] So we want both to go.

[1:01:34] Don't do it to me.

[1:01:36] Let me, we don't have one board with that.

[1:01:39] Twist with this.

[1:01:40] Of course, neither came case to a policy.

[1:01:45] Both cases.

[1:01:46] Sorry, we're not going to get close.

[1:01:47] We're looking at it.

[1:01:51] We are.

[1:01:52] That's where a court came from.

[1:01:53] It was Casey, it wasn't Cory.

[1:01:57] Casey came and made a couple of comments.

[1:02:00] Again, you should listen carefully to your critics.

[1:02:03] One of the things he criticized was that the fireboard doesn't have any technical people on it.

[1:02:09] They don't have a fire chief on it.

[1:02:14] We don't have a way to solve that problem because of these restrictions

[1:02:18] because all of our technical people are going to be employed

[1:02:22] directly or indirectly with the fire district.

[1:02:27] What I would propose is the fire district

[1:02:30] to both answer Casey's objection,

[1:02:34] which I think is well-founded,

[1:02:38] and just it will help.

[1:02:40] I think we ought to as a fire board, Larry,

[1:02:44] immediately aboard experience slash technology,

[1:02:49] subcommittee, composed of either all the fire chiefs in the valley or a representative

[1:02:56] sample of fire chief so that there's that body immediately in place that can provide

[1:03:02] this kind of advice. You know how beneficial it then to have chief George sitting at

[1:03:08] our elbow in those subcommittee meetings without that we've been in Tony as well and

[1:03:14] as well. You sit beside them and they understand what we're trying to deal with. So I think

[1:03:23] our response to Casey should be we agree with you, but we've got a reason we can't appoint

[1:03:30] them to the fire board, so we're going to create a committee and use that committee and maybe

[1:03:39] Tony, you can warm up a particular fire chief in that.

[1:03:44] Then you'll get a little more comfortable with what we're doing.

[1:03:46] I don't want to, but I think that's something we can have ready to pass the moment,

[1:03:56] the fireboard.

[1:03:57] So when we get to the county council and that criticism is raised, we have a response ready

[1:04:03] if we've done exactly what you suggested.

[1:04:07] And I was one thing Casey suggests, and the other thing he was concerned about is training

[1:04:15] at the district level, not the technical training you get at Bridgerland or something, but

[1:04:22] training that as a unit, we would have a plan that we would be free.

South Cache Fire and EMS Advisory Committee Meeting

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