[0:14] Good morning, and welcome to the Congress County Board of Surveillance Meeting for January 23, 2024.

[0:22] First item of business is to go into closed session, Stacey.

[0:27] Item 1, pursuant to government code 54957.6, conference with Labour negotiator, agency negotiators,

[0:35] Judy Hawkins and Nick Marvin, Labour organization, service employees, international union, local 201.

[0:41] one by item two pristone to government code five four nine five six point nine D one conference with legal counsel regarding existing litigation

[0:51] Greer at all versus Calvars County Calvars County Superior Court case number one eight C B four three four six zero.

[1:02] Thank you Zeen public comment on this item in the room in the online there's not online very well we will recess to close session and we will return at nine

[1:11] Thank you.

[42:56] Good morning, and welcome to the January 23rd, Calvary County Board of Supervisors meeting.

[43:00] Call on this meeting in the order. If you are able, can you please stand for pledge of allegiance.

[43:25] Thank you.

[43:27] Will everyone pull out and close session?

[43:30] Item 1, presents a government code 54957.6 conference with Labour negotiator, agency negotiators,

[43:38] Judy Hawkins, and Nick Marvin. Labour organization, service employees, international union,

[43:44] local 2-015 board action no recordable action taken item 2 pursuant

[43:51] to government code 549-56.91 conference at legal council regarding existing litigation

[43:58] grew at all versus Calabers County, Calabers County Superior Court case number 1-8CV-430460

[44:08] board action no recordable action taken thank you very much

[44:13] We'll move on to staff announcements as a staff that would like to make it, or board moves

[44:17] as a like to make an announcement,

[44:21] public comment, public comment, public comment, public comment.

[44:24] Public comments can come up next.

[44:26] We're going to do the, this is for staff announcements.

[44:29] Any online?

[44:30] There are no online requests.

[44:32] All right.

[44:32] Thank you very much.

[44:34] We're going to move on to recognition and announcements.

[44:36] to raise your stop?

[44:40] If you

[44:45] vote all the time.

[44:49] Just think.

[44:52] Always.

[44:55] This is a population recognize in January 2020 for

[44:58] as mentoring month and calvert.

[45:01] We're as January is National Mentoring Month, an annual campaign to raise awareness of and celebrate

[45:08] the powerful acts of mentoring, relationships, recruit new mentors, and encourage institutions

[45:15] to integrate quality mentoring into their policies and practices. And we're as covers County recognizes

[45:23] the contributions of volunteers, CAA, SA, or Casa, Mentors, and CCLE Youth Mentoring Program

[45:31] Mentors who link youth to economic and social opportunity while also strengthening our

[45:39] community and whereas youth development experts agree that mentoring encourages positive youth

[45:45] development and smart daily behaviors such as finishing homework and having healthy social interactions.

[45:53] So I teach my daughter how to finish her home work.

[45:57] And it has a positive impact on the growth and success of a young person.

[46:03] And whereas mentoring programs generally have significant positive impact on the youth academic

[46:07] achievement, school connectedness, and engagement, and educational success, which can lead

[46:14] to outcomes such as improved attendance, excuse me, grades, test scores, and classroom

[46:21] behavior. And whereas effective mentoring of underserved and vulnerable populations, young

[46:27] people helps them confront challenges and enjoy improved health, mental health, and

[46:33] social, and emotional well-being. And whereas mentoring programs have found to possibly impact

[46:38] many aspects of mental, well-being, including reducing unhealthy, coping mechanisms, improving

[46:46] interpersonal relationships and reducing parental stress. I could use this on this one

[46:51] Younger.

[46:54] I, and where has young people with a mentor are more likely to roll in college, case

[47:01] and point, to participate in sports or extra to curricular activities into volunteer

[47:07] regularly and less likely to start using drugs.

[47:11] And whereas mentoring is in an innovative, evidence-based practice in his both a prevention

[47:17] intervention strategy that can support young people of all demographics and backgrounds in

[47:22] all aspects of life. And joking aside, mentoring is a very important story on their generations

[47:28] and the connection between and the education and the way to conduct themselves throughout life

[47:37] is very important. It can be a family member but more often than not, you know, that kind of time

[47:44] of connectedness, I found, comes from somebody outside the family unit, and sometimes.

[47:51] Would anybody that has, Sarah, your group, and, yeah, I have.

[47:59] Thank you, ladies.

[48:00] Good morning.

[48:02] My name is Emily Johnson, I'm the Deputy Director of Social Services, and before I introduce

[48:07] Kila and Fair, I just wanted to say that the cost of program mentors and volunteers and

[48:13] volunteers for the Calvars Youth Mentoring Program have been really vital to a lot of our children

[48:18] growing up with consistent support of adults in their lives which we know positively impacts

[48:25] child abuse prevention throughout our counties. So I wanted to just thank these ladies for

[48:30] all about the work that they do and without further ado, I will introduce Kayla Gaffney and Fair

[48:35] Roberts.

[48:38] Thank you. I am the manager of the Calvars Youth Mentoring Program out of the county office

[48:43] education. The Calvary Seeth Mentoring Program is a one-on-one mentoring program where

[48:48] youth are recommended and matched with volunteer mentors based on common interests where

[48:53] they live in the county and personalities. For 20 years, we have fully screened, monitor,

[48:58] and supported our volunteer mentors and mentees. We provide training, field trips, and mentor

[49:03] council. Now, just spend approximately two hours a week together for at least a year.

[49:08] Do we find activities such as fishing, biking, snow-shoaring, or just hanging out and exploring the wonderful county we live in?

[49:17] I'm Entie Sloan to build stronger relationships, explore new interests and hobbies, and improve their self-confidence, decision-making, and view of the future.

[49:25] At its core, mentoring shows a young people that their community cares about them, sees their strengths and wants to nurture their future and talents.

[49:33] We have some pretty amazing kids in Calabers County.

[49:37] Youth-based life challenges with strength, resilience, creativity, and hope.

[49:42] Young people who are brave enough to invite safer dogs into their lives

[49:45] who believe in them and want to invest in their greatness

[49:48] and experience a smoother road to adulthood.

[49:51] During National Mentoring Month, we also celebrate our other mentoring programs

[49:55] within Calabers County, such as FNL Mentoring,

[49:58] which is a school-based peer mentoring program and CASA.

[50:03] Calvary's mentoring receives financial and administrative support from the county office education.

[50:08] There is contracts with county agencies and grants and individual donations

[50:13] solicited by the Calvary's mentoring foundation.

[50:16] Whose mission is to raise awareness and funds for local youth mentoring.

[50:20] Your proclamation today helps us celebrate and grows these important programs.

[50:25] Every youth who wants to mentor should have one, but not every youth gets one.

[50:28] They're currently four girls and eight boys throughout Calabers on our waiting list.

[50:34] We depend on community members to spread the word about mentoring programs, and help us find volunteers for eager young people.

[50:41] Please contact us if you have someone that you think would make a great mentor for one of our amazing kids or if you would like to have a mentor.

[50:50] So thank you and have you an actual mentoring month.

[50:52] Thank you.

[50:57] Good morning.

[50:57] And so I was signed with the Court of Punish Special Advocates Program.

[51:02] Humans are social animals.

[51:04] Sometimes we forget this in our culture where we review

[51:08] a review of a review of self-discipline and determination.

[51:11] But study after study reviews that the best way for people

[51:15] to overcome trauma and stress is through positive relationships.

[51:20] For children, that is essentially true.

[51:22] Beyond the parenting relationship, outside the adult relationships

[51:25] are very important.

[51:27] Calibus County is very fortunate to have a mentoring program, when I visit nearby counties

[51:33] to talk about what services we have available for children, the mentoring program stands out

[51:38] as an example of a program that is desperately needed in part of the prevention of child

[51:45] maltreatment.

[51:46] Families struggle to make ends meet in this county, and even well-known programs like Scouts

[51:52] in forage cost money. But a program like the mentoring program which is free to a child and

[51:57] their family is worth its weight in gold. The program I manage, the quarter point is special

[52:03] advocates program. We specifically mentor will have a mentorship role with children who are facing

[52:08] a piece of neglect.

[52:12] Our clientele is narrow but we do serve that mentorship role. Being in

[52:17] mentorship role is the fun part of being an advocate. Some of the ways our classes have helped

[52:23] these children, including teaching a child how to fish, who had never been outside for the first

[52:27] time, and taking them on walks or hikes or shepherding them to a college campus. Children and

[52:36] caliber of space mini challenges with the shortage of resources, but the more children we can

[52:41] get linked to positive adult relationships, the better. So this proclamation goes

[52:47] of long ways to helping the community to realize that we need more volunteers.

[52:51] Like Caleb mentioned her, waiting list, I have 14 kids on my waiting list.

[52:56] And we just need work to get volunteers and funding to continue to help with this volunteer

[53:01] ship rule.

[53:02] Thank you for your time.

[53:04] Thank you.

[53:05] Thank you, Craig.

[53:06] I know all the volunteers, the mentor across the county, it's invaluable, and that's where

[53:12] a lot of the space comes from, and you know, we appreciate everything you do for

[53:17] I'm a very public comment to this.

[53:23] Terry, good to see you.

[53:26] Terry, goodbye.

[53:27] You can't find it.

[53:28] Terry, bye.

[53:28] Distribute to this.

[53:30] My mom and ring a three-fans,

[53:33] help start big lives, be sisters.

[53:35] And I'm sorry to see Catherine is in here.

[53:39] Catherine gave me a trip there, and for years.

[53:41] Then, it is a three-year program.

[53:43] It really is.

[53:44] And so I hope many people that has something called time.

[53:47] I don't.

[53:48] That people do have time in their own way, let's do a fit and what's the thing with.

[53:52] We charge to, I guess, a new administration, how are you guys?

[53:56] For the work that I do, I've seen first here on the benefit that it gets kids.

[54:00] I think it's phenomenal.

[54:01] And I really think that I can around a hand, right, a class, rather than if they don't.

[54:06] Thank you.

[54:13] Any further public comment?

[54:18] Come on.

[54:19] I'll bring it back to the board.

[54:20] Do we have a motion?

[54:23] I'll make the motion.

[54:24] Thank you, Mr. Aubrey.

[54:26] Okay, motion by them is for 100 second by this phone door. All those in favor. Hi, those opposed didn't think so, so I'll finish it off now.

[54:40] Now the report here resolved that the Calvers County Board of Supervisors does here by proclaim January 2024 as National Mentoring Month and Calvers County. Thank you all.

[55:57] Thank you very much for putting that together and I see a lot of really great possible mentors

[56:04] in this room.

[56:05] So you've got any extra time around to help out our kids, please do join these programs.

[56:12] We will move on to a general public comment.

[56:16] I said we didn't do the whole paragraph.

[56:18] I think most of the people here know the way this works.

[56:21] It's our items are not on the agenda.

[56:22] So if you want to pull something off the consent agenda or talk about that,

[56:27] please wait till that comes up.

[56:29] Our annual shelter, I see what's people in the room on that as well.

[56:33] That'll be later on.

[56:34] But if you have general public comments that are not related to the agenda, please come up

[56:38] forward now.

[56:39] You'll have three minutes.

[56:41] Terri?

[56:41] Good morning.

[56:42] Good morning.

[56:43] Now I'm tearing it by.

[56:44] It's still district two of Congress County Community Chair and Senator.

[56:50] Now, three weeks ago, a Chinese guy came in with the English September.

[56:54] I came in.

[56:54] I went and looked at the recording.

[56:55] It's familiar.

[56:56] It completely.

[56:58] It completely.

[56:59] to you know that I recorded all that, saved it, saved it, saved it out. They've destroyed it.

[57:05] All of a sudden last night, they got to run, but I still have the recordings of it destroyed it.

[57:10] That's my first assignment, this is your new book. You guys have mentioned it,

[57:15] now it, because it happens to me who asks, everybody that comes here should have a perfectly clear audio afterwards.

[57:22] Now on better things, my positive, because I'm going to just assume that it was an error,

[57:27] I would like to think that soft work and professionalism does not exist in my can.

[57:33] Calibers can you demo your election?

[57:36] It's happening at the can, I brought on Saturday from 1032 to 30.

[57:41] You must be a California ID and a Preparations like Nativity Bill.

[57:46] We want to show how we change the back to paper ballots.

[57:50] Here you can't hear.

[57:51] Because we have some patterns in our country.

[57:54] And if we go back to paper ball, it's hand candy, 20-20 spaces, so we'll invite all of you to join us in the fact of Dr. Sanfice and leaving.

[58:06] And in the end, if you're interested in evening, I have a tag on me at the Roundtable T. Pizza and Angels Cup.

[58:13] 537 again, any of you would like to come to the public, come find out what it is we are doing.

[58:19] We will be the 51state of California, very important to know.

[58:25] So today I'm here to read that we will take a great new powerful state notice to our

[58:31] California's declaration of the 11th constitution of default.

[58:36] Statement of Schipholedax, we mean of time, this is count seven.

[58:42] Again, it's got a misunderstanding of this administration and the government of our state

[58:47] Unfortunately, a selected government who has never won an election to office without the help of the corrupt and man who will probably pass selection process.

[58:56] One of the globalist cartels in the Chinese Communist Party, OCCP, previously at the outcome, to enable places of him office in office has committed treason.

[59:06] A selected government who openly defies Article 4, section 4, and its three guarantees of a Republican front of government,

[59:12] keeping all of their country in the vision and not of domestic violence is

[59:16] community-tracing. The 2018 midterm election, 2020,

[59:21] car election in the 2020 midterm election are all lost in one-to-one

[59:26] balancing that will further help of a fraudulent electronic election system and

[59:30] algorithm. And the actions of the global is cartels and the CCP.

[59:35] I did, too, and it was a start to oversee the province of California, and I think

[59:42] you were finished.

[59:43] Thank you.

[59:45] Bonnie.

[59:49] If you'd like to speak in part of the comment, if you could line up and make the key things

[59:54] moving.

[59:57] Good morning.

[59:57] Bonnie, can you give me two double springs?

[1:00:00] And two things, this morning, I'd like to report that I'm not sure who to thank, but what's wrong?

[1:00:09] I'm sorry, don't can, here you can just speak up.

[1:00:18] God, that's okay.

[1:00:20] God, God, God, God, God, God.

[1:00:21] I don't think, oh, two things this morning, someone put not a speed limit sign, but speed

[1:00:34] contraptions.

[1:00:35] There's things on the side of the road that says, speed limit is this and you were going

[1:00:40] this.

[1:00:41] There's two of them on double springs and I don't know who's to think for that, but it made

[1:00:46] big difference, the traffic was rolled down, even more in traffic that zooms by on the way

[1:00:53] the Jackson or whoever is rolled down, and it's really made a difference to have some kind

[1:00:59] of speed limit on that road, just like to let you all know. And the second thing is, oh yes,

[1:01:06] last week I remember I was complaining about how they're looking, campers and things parked

[1:01:15] side of the road. I had a thought. Those people that are camping on the side of the road are taking

[1:01:22] business away from our campgrounds. If we had perhaps a voucher where these people could have

[1:01:30] one free night, a county's expense of course, to go to a campground and get off the street maybe we could

[1:01:39] start dealing with the problem if they get one free night, but after that, get away, go away,

[1:01:45] get out of here or something. But I was just trying to think of a way to solve that

[1:01:50] problem. On double springs, I think the problem was solved by PG&E Park, all of its equipment

[1:01:59] in that area where the camper was parked, and there was no room for the camper, so they

[1:02:05] to get out of there. But one thing I could say PG&E did write, this says all the things I have,

[1:02:13] the complain about them doing wrong. Thank you very much for listening.

[1:02:17] Thank you, Bonnie. I can speak her.

[1:02:20] Bonnie, that was Robert Packinger, Dr. Eton.

[1:02:29] Hello, my name is Debbie Rojas, Assemblywoman of New California State, Calvars County.

[1:02:38] And I'm just going to pick up our chair left off.

[1:02:42] Now, it's a help of federal courts in the state of Georgia and they're in

[1:02:45] winning, unwitting, corrupted secretary of state.

[1:02:48] Brad Raffinsberger, the evidence of clear for the world to see how

[1:02:55] the selected trees in the governor of the province of California and

[1:02:58] thousands of down, barric corrupt selected officials turned the

[1:03:07] and military and province.

[1:03:10] In June, 2023, the Federal District Court of the Northern District of Georgia

[1:03:15] and sealed the so-called 96-page Hildenburg

[1:03:19] that security analysis of Georgia's image cast

[1:03:24] next ballot and recognizes Georgia's Secretary of State

[1:03:28] Brad Raffin, Berger, Sporger,

[1:03:32] had been hiding the report from the public for two years.

[1:03:35] University of Michigan, Professor of Computer Science and Engineering, J. Alex Holderman, and

[1:03:42] Security Researcher and Assistant Professor at the Auburn University, Dr. Nuss-Rilgore.

[1:03:50] I believe in the report where they discovered an explotate, exploitable, vulnerable in the

[1:03:58] in voting machines, imagecast, and system.

[1:04:02] J, Alex Holdenman, demonstrated, in court,

[1:04:05] how the remaining machines are hacked

[1:04:07] and their calculations are easily altered

[1:04:10] to select individual for any office.

[1:04:14] In Georgia courtroom, in 2020, for our J, Alex Holdenman,

[1:04:19] demonstrated any explicit detail to the court

[1:04:23] into the world how easy it was to hack

[1:04:25] into the Dominion Board of Initiatives and Alter the Boats.

[1:04:29] This was the first time in a court of law, such a demonstration has taken place, which

[1:04:33] are altered, which details an innumerable fashion of how the vast electronic elections systems

[1:04:41] can be altered and thus corrupted.

[1:04:44] Following audit over the elections of 2018, 2021, 2022, you to rise in data provided by each

[1:04:53] California County, the Secretary of State Office, it was obvious that the algorithm

[1:04:58] was used to create weighted vote values in the remaining and in other vote tabulation

[1:05:07] devices, by those who facilitated the selection of the governor. The evidence in the

[1:05:13] Georgia Federal Court presented by J. Alex Alderman, over one of the supports, the use

[1:05:18] of an algorithm to facilitate the correct election of the governor.

[1:05:23] The fraudulent election system does not function without the help and the support of the state

[1:05:28] and the county employees who either and do not.

[1:05:31] Thank you.

[1:05:32] Thank you.

[1:05:34] I'll probably comment on items not on the agenda.

[1:05:40] I'm not a nurse with a kind of a friend of me reckoning.

[1:05:44] I'm a child member, I also a cultural research specialist assistant from my child.

[1:05:49] I have some things to talk about, that's not on the agenda for the Wagon Show of 2024.

[1:05:55] Adam, we're going to pull, I have my understandings that you want to pull out off

[1:05:58] consent agenda for discussion right on?

[1:06:01] That would be the appropriate time to, we'll give you that time.

[1:06:04] I really made a way to do this process, so I would just want to get it on, so we can come to it.

[1:06:09] I'm going to get to that, we're going to pull it off, and I'm going to have a discussion on that.

[1:06:12] Absolutely, thank you Jack.

[1:06:13] Thank you.

[1:06:16] Terry, let me get one by the app.

[1:06:17] Okay. Other public comment? Anything on line?

[1:06:21] You're a new online request.

[1:06:23] Board recognizes Chairman Rest Thomas and Calvers County Water District.

[1:06:30] Former supervisor, I should add. Thank you.

[1:06:33] Thank you Chairman Garmin.

[1:06:35] Thank you for that one welcome.

[1:06:38] I'm here today a little bit to reflect on when I used to sit at the

[1:06:42] One hundred years ago, I had four wonderful years here, some better than others, but it was my heart that I can still see people up there that I held on my speed dial and when I call you, you answer the phone.

[1:06:58] That's really, really, very commendable.

[1:06:59] But the most important thing I want to talk about today is something that came to my attention

[1:07:07] when I was sitting up there, that there is a number of very close and one relationship

[1:07:15] between the county board supervisors and the members of the board of Congress County Water District.

[1:07:23] I was puzzled me because mathematically, right now, with 45,000 plus citizens in the county,

[1:07:32] we're sort of about 33,000 of those citizens.

[1:07:37] So it really makes pretty sense to me that there should be ongoing discussions,

[1:07:43] maybe not as firmly as would trigger ban at considerations,

[1:07:49] but certain conversations need to be happening for every frequently between our respective

[1:07:56] birds. I tried to accomplish that when I was on the setting up there. There were a couple

[1:08:01] of board members that didn't have any infection for Congress, County Water District, so that

[1:08:06] we couldn't pull that off, but we started back when I was 14 years ago. At CCWD, it did kind of

[1:08:19] So please, I'm thrilled not to move in all the banks.

[1:08:26] I'd like to buy lunch for a couple of you sometime, and let's start.

[1:08:30] And I haven't had a chance to interact with your new CDO.

[1:08:34] Congratulations on your position.

[1:08:38] And I see some wonderful things that have been happening here.

[1:08:42] So coming visit, welcome to visit you.

[1:08:45] And if you have any questions for me, I'm here to talk for another minute or so.

[1:08:52] Thank you very much.

[1:08:53] Okay, thank you.

[1:08:53] And I think I'll speak on behalf of our board.

[1:08:56] We look forward to working with your board as well.

[1:08:58] Thank you.

[1:09:00] Thank you.

[1:09:00] In the other public comment.

[1:09:03] Seeing none, we'll move on to consent agenda.

[1:09:05] Place you will read that out.

[1:09:10] Consent agenda items are expected to be routine and non-controversal.

[1:09:14] They will be acted upon by the board at one time without discussion.

[1:09:18] Any board members, staff member, or interested party may request a removal of an item from the consent agenda that's poured later discussion.

[1:09:26] Thank you. Any board members wish to pull an item from consent agenda?

[1:09:31] Any staff members want to pull an item from consent agenda?

[1:09:35] Any public want to pull an item from a agenda from the consent agenda?

[1:09:41] Adam, which number is that?

[1:09:45] 16.

[1:09:46] Okay.

[1:09:46] We'll pull.

[1:09:47] Item number 16.

[1:09:48] Let's move forward on the remainder.

[1:09:52] And then we'll come back to item 16.

[1:09:54] You can stay there.

[1:09:56] So moved.

[1:09:57] Move by supervisor stopper.

[1:09:59] Second by supervisor top finale.

[1:10:00] All in favour?

[1:10:02] Aye.

[1:10:02] Posed.

[1:10:03] Passes 5-0.

[1:10:05] Item number 16 has been pulled.

[1:10:07] You want to?

[1:10:09] Hello, I want to give you an item loose with the Governor's

[1:10:12] Banner Me Walking News.

[1:10:13] I'm a shadow member, I also have a culture research specialist

[1:10:16] assistance.

[1:10:17] I've been working on the Wagon Trail Project with the folks since

[1:10:21] 2022.

[1:10:22] Here we are going on the 2024, and once again we're at the

[1:10:26] budget part of the beginning, and we've met around the

[1:10:30] table with some of your officials and negotiators and

[1:10:35] that were unbelievable with the tribe and then things were put in with things for

[1:10:41] cut-and-half and we have a lot of concerns on these. For we want to be at

[1:10:46] front and honest to you, but I remember you said, well, this is going to cost to

[1:10:50] do for the rest of the season rather than individuals bringing forward what you

[1:10:56] guys will agree to, then we have to come back in front of the board and present,

[1:10:59] They're still more funding that needs to be alligator to do the remainder of the project.

[1:11:07] So under close communication and understanding with the contractor circuit, on the days

[1:11:14] proposed for work and weekends, we did our best to put a budget together to accommodate

[1:11:22] that work plan.

[1:11:23] And so when we did that talking, we came up to an understanding and then things were cut

[1:11:32] in half, and then hourly rates were cut, and so we have a lot of questions to ask you guys.

[1:11:39] And from our understanding with cowchants and lead agencies involved, if there's not

[1:11:46] an agreement made between and understanding between the county and the shy for this project,

[1:11:52] It may well just die out if we can't come to a resolution of how we're going to move forward here.

[1:11:58] And I'll go ahead and reserve my time for our five-share,

[1:12:03] that we're grants with the Calibur's Bending Me Lucky News.

[1:12:06] Thank you.

[1:12:11] Thank you.

[1:12:11] Nice chair, Greg.

[1:12:12] Well, hey.

[1:12:13] My name is Debbie Grimes, tribal vice chair person.

[1:12:16] Also, tribal cultural resource specialist for 30 years of Calibur's County and small

[1:12:20] portion of Bound floor.

[1:12:22] As always, we're here to build and have a wonderful relationship as we say.

[1:12:28] We're not here to be enemies or buddies to go have tea, nice if we can, okay?

[1:12:34] We're here to work together in a professional manner.

[1:12:36] As you guys know, this project went on, you guys adopted it, that's your business.

[1:12:42] But throughout those years, we were left out of that and then we came engaged in it.

[1:12:46] again. We were engaged in this project with Cal Trains until it got adopted. So I won't go back

[1:12:53] into the past because there's enough information that will be presented to you through

[1:12:57] a document. We are in 2020 and like Adam stated, we met with Do Barry Howard and Robert

[1:13:04] Packinger with the county. The tribe had a year budget and you all start with your budget

[1:13:10] looking at it and knowing our information to seek it as well as five days week, six

[1:13:16] days week, five, you know, about 10 nowadays, eight hours on Saturday.

[1:13:21] So they asked us if we could look at a six-month period to present to the board.

[1:13:26] So try going back, agree to that, and then we see the information back from Dubai on behalf

[1:13:34] of the amount, the time, and monitoring services, et cetera, we said absolutely not, we cannot

[1:13:41] agree to that.

[1:13:43] We can agree to this in this behalf.

[1:13:46] If you have one piece of equipment on Dragon Trail, because there is site from one end to

[1:13:51] the other, we did a lot of investigation, we did a lot of clearing, we moved a barrier, we moved

[1:13:59] over 100,000,000 artifacts on this project.

[1:14:04] Okay, that said there was nothing there

[1:14:07] from the first folks talking engineering.

[1:14:10] And then by now, we came a bird, we demonstrated

[1:14:14] with a closely with the lead call trends

[1:14:17] on behalf of this as well as ship all.

[1:14:20] The concurrence of agreement was,

[1:14:22] you know, you're doing ground disturbance.

[1:14:24] No matter what, you got a piece of equipment out there?

[1:14:26] What to do?

[1:14:27] Ground disturbance.

[1:14:28] We were closely with the county to also say funding on behalf of Cal 1679 example.

[1:14:35] That's a huge feature that dates back to climate change.

[1:14:40] We have features that were in the bed box.

[1:14:42] So when the equipment's coming in, they hit that bedrock and material at holes.

[1:14:48] And we do our ecological investigation.

[1:14:50] So when you want to get up to amount of that, that said millions and millions of dollars on this project.

[1:14:56] This will move in our native stuff out of the way.

[1:15:01] So, in behalf of this budget that you're seeing here is a bunch of truth, the amount, where you can't be too kind of back to you guys every month, so many months, sick and another four months.

[1:15:13] I'm going to be honest with you here, you have to have a monitoring archaeologist of each area of work for ground disturbance. Last year and year before, we were like chickens with their heads cut off for our county.

[1:15:25] I tried when I had and we're covering two, three places quickly.

[1:15:32] This is having our natives and spots and archaeologists.

[1:15:36] We also will closely have just had saying two natives and one archaeologists when you have a native

[1:15:42] and archaeologist present.

[1:15:44] We did a best of saving.

[1:15:47] There's many months and hours that I never built.

[1:15:52] But here today, we're going to be honest with all of you.

[1:15:57] There is a equipment ready to run from Appalooza to Benanza.

[1:16:04] If you want one piece of equipment, then OK, we'll have the one monitor.

[1:16:08] But to let you know, we're opposed to budget.

[1:16:10] That's being presented to you.

[1:16:11] It's a ventruth.

[1:16:13] And we will not be negotiable.

[1:16:15] I've caught an hourly rate of $30 less an hour.

[1:16:19] we're out of certain rate with our agencies, and how we're trying to find ways of cutting it to save money.

[1:16:27] We have negotiable.

[1:16:29] If everyone in this project can cut their rate of $30,000,000 less, then we can come on to it.

[1:16:38] But as a break, now the tribe is not negotiable of the cut,

[1:16:44] and if there's no negotiations to be met,

[1:16:46] Then again, the ship, the tribe, and Cal Transportation,

[1:16:52] then the project has to come to her until we're able.

[1:16:55] They want to start on March 4th.

[1:16:57] We're here.

[1:16:57] We're ready to go.

[1:16:59] I'm sorry.

[1:17:00] We've already exceeded the talk board.

[1:17:02] And we're going to talk about this further a while.

[1:17:05] Thank you.

[1:17:05] Thank you very much.

[1:17:07] Questions from the board?

[1:17:09] Robert, do you want to come up?

[1:17:10] Tell us what's going on?

[1:17:15] Good morning.

[1:17:15] Let me introduce to you Howard Zabell from Dubary that the amendment that you have in front

[1:17:22] of you is with our consultant Dubary.

[1:17:28] I'm sorry that we're having this difficulty right now, as Deborah has said, we both have

[1:17:35] been working very hard to try to preserve this cultural history that's within the project.

[1:17:42] So there's been a lot of work, a lot of dialogue.

[1:17:46] We, the county, the team remains committed to preserving

[1:17:51] this cultural history that's unique area.

[1:17:55] We are also committed to unification requirements

[1:17:59] that we have for the project through the environmental documents

[1:18:05] that are in place.

[1:18:06] We are supposed to unify those requirements.

[1:18:11] There is no question about any of that.

[1:18:14] At the same time, we have to balance that work with what we have in our budgets, and so

[1:18:22] what we were working on was an amendment that took us forward in time with our estimates for

[1:18:32] about six months. There are still some unknowns. We have scheduled a note from the contractor.

[1:18:43] They are still trying to resolve some things that they need to build. And it was the way

[1:18:49] that seemed that they have to build. There's going to be a change over there with the impact of the schedule.

[1:18:54] there's also going to be an area where we're going to raise the road to a very impacting the

[1:19:02] cultural artifacts.

[1:19:06] But those we mean currently as of today alone, but we wanted to process

[1:19:11] this amendment to keep the cultural activities funding forward. We understand that if the level

[1:19:21] of effort is greater and we find that out, we'll have to come back to the board for another

[1:19:28] amendment.

[1:19:30] That's something that we know that will probably happen.

[1:19:35] Now the issue with the rate is that we requested for justification for the rate,

[1:19:49] of course

[1:19:51] that was provided to us is the one that conference told us is the rate that's used. That's what we

[1:19:58] plugged into this estimate for the amendment in that right now the source of the issue.

[1:20:07] When we put

[1:20:07] these dollars in and with our estimates, this amendment currently is within what we believe was the

[1:20:15] budgeted amounts that have been discussed with you in the past.

[1:20:20] The tribe has told us that there are updated rates, count trains is perhaps working on

[1:20:27] these updated rates and we told them that when we get these rates updated from count trains

[1:20:34] we're ready and we're willing to honor whatever those rates are.

[1:20:38] They are right now the difference between what the tribe is requesting and what

[1:20:45] cooperatives has given us, the difference is about a 35% increase.

[1:20:52] We feel without the cooperatives telling us this is the way it's, there's no

[1:20:58] justification for it, and so things that difference would come from the room.

[1:21:05] For perspective, as far as we're talking about for the dollar amount, last year the high rate

[1:21:13] was approved, the rate that the tribe is wishing, and for about six months worth of work,

[1:21:20] the amount that was paid was $475,000, and $125,000 of that was that difference in the rate

[1:21:32] that was used last year.

[1:21:34] So that's the type of amount that we're looking at.

[1:21:38] But for now, as far as what we're trying to do with this amendment,

[1:21:44] it's in the menu, we'll do bury and we're just trying to keep the funding in

[1:21:50] the for the cultural work that needs to be taking place right now.

[1:21:57] Questions from the board?

[1:22:00] I have lots of questions, but I was wondering if do Barry had anything to say prior to me

[1:22:08] maybe something I'll be answered. I don't know.

[1:22:12] Sure, members of Board Howard's about what do Barry. So just a little bit of history on this.

[1:22:20] So we were late last year. I guess first I'd say that, you know, last probably eight months

[1:22:29] have been involved in the project. I think we've developed a really good working relationship

[1:22:34] with the tribe with Deborah and Adam. I appreciate the partnership in doing what we all

[1:22:41] know should be done and has to be done. So late last year, we got together to talk about

[1:22:49] in amendment and the level of effort, that would be required for the next construction

[1:22:56] season, 2024.

[1:23:00] So there was discussed, was discussed in a grid upon,

[1:23:07] was, let's estimate six months

[1:23:09] of Earth moving activity, that's the Earth disturbing activity, that's when the monitors

[1:23:14] needed, right? Just a word on next year and the schedule, we don't have the first schedule

[1:23:22] for next year yet. There are changes in, there are things in flux, there are changes

[1:23:27] that are happening right now. You heard Robert talk about the, the retaining wall at

[1:23:33] P.O.D. 7, that has been designed, catch-rances reviewing it, the contractors placing it,

[1:23:40] We don't have schedule of vision on that yet.

[1:23:44] So what we are doing is we are estimating, as best we can,

[1:23:49] what we think, how we think the season is going to go with 2024.

[1:23:54] So the assumption was six months of Earth's

[1:23:57] Serbian activity.

[1:23:59] The assumption was two monitors,

[1:24:04] one at each end of the project.

[1:24:06] And with that, this was, I think, November 30th, we had this discussion with the tribe.

[1:24:13] Cut the weeks later, we received an amendment request.

[1:24:17] The assumptions in there were higher than what we had discussed.

[1:24:24] In terms of letter of effort, in terms of days, in terms of number of monitors.

[1:24:31] So, we, you know, those communication back and forth, we met with Robert and I met with Deborah.

[1:24:37] I think it was similar around Christmas time, between Christmas and New Year's.

[1:24:43] We, we talked about the letter of effort, we talked about the rate,

[1:24:48] and we agreed on, in principle, on a, on a different letter of effort.

[1:24:57] And we also on the right issue, we're referenced that, you know,

[1:25:02] catcherings had approved this rate.

[1:25:05] I haven't been involved with this project from day one,

[1:25:08] so I'm coming into it, I see this new rate.

[1:25:12] Much higher than what I'm used to seeing, it raised the flag for me,

[1:25:16] so I could do diligence and make sure we can justify that rate.

[1:25:20] Thirty, thirty-five percent increase, that's pretty considerable.

[1:25:25] So with that, we did ask count trends, was the what's your rate, was your proof rate

[1:25:33] for culture miners, and the rate was significantly lower, right, 30% lower than this

[1:25:43] ask.

[1:25:44] So we needed to get this item in front of board to keep construction moving next year, so

[1:25:50] this year. Schedules right now, March 4th. Contractors plan remover and starting

[1:25:58] earthwork activities. So we have to get this underway. There have been discussions back

[1:26:06] and forth just haven't been able to continue agreement on this rate. So our fat process

[1:26:12] was we know we need to get going with something. We need that we need to get something to

[1:26:19] keep the job going, did my best estimate

[1:26:24] and what I think was a reasonable sentient

[1:26:27] based on what we know now.

[1:26:30] And that was less than what we discussed

[1:26:36] back in late December.

[1:26:38] The level of effort was not much less

[1:26:40] just to give you some guidance here.

[1:26:44] So it's some perspective, 120 days was the initial

[1:26:50] So that went down on 115.

[1:26:54] 26 weekends, it went down to 18.

[1:26:58] So these were not huge, huge cuts.

[1:27:01] Trying to be just make the best estimate of what we think

[1:27:06] is going to be needed.

[1:27:08] So that's where we are.

[1:27:09] Thank you.

[1:27:09] Do you guys just appreciate some questions?

[1:27:12] First of all, I want to say that it's valued

[1:27:15] that we have the tribe within the county of working on this in an area and, you know, it's

[1:27:23] thank you Debra and your co-workers for having the proper credentials and education to be able

[1:27:29] to facilitate doing this as we move forward.

[1:27:33] Now, you know, you brought up that there's an enormous amount of cultural artifacts.

[1:27:40] I mean, the sites that were found along that area have been far more than we're estimated

[1:27:46] as we move forward and the cost has been quite a bit more than we predicted from the very

[1:27:55] beginning and we've had to move money around.

[1:27:58] So with that, you already answered part of my question.

[1:28:01] CalChance going rate at this time is what we have in here.

[1:28:05] That's correct.

[1:28:06] And if there is any negotiations or proposed changes or amendments to that, those haven't been finalized at this time?

[1:28:15] That's correct.

[1:28:17] So that's the state accepted rate as let's say prudium.

[1:28:22] You know, within, you know, the idea of conception of it, you know,

[1:28:28] and generally the state accepted rates higher than the federal rate when it comes to these type of services.

[1:28:36] I'm not, I can't say that for sure, but it sounds like a reasonable assumption.

[1:28:42] In most cases, it is not all cases.

[1:28:52] Consideration.

[1:28:55] It's value that the tribe is doing.

[1:28:57] I would like to keep that money within our local area.

[1:29:02] They say if we don't come to an agreement that work will stop in the state has no ability

[1:29:08] for other cultural resources as we move forward. Is that true?

[1:29:14] I believe that to be true.

[1:29:20] Now, we're quite a way through. We do have the wall that Mr. Packinger brought up and you brought up.

[1:29:28] I'm a majority of the sites because we talked about the 26 weekends going to 18 weekends and everything else.

[1:29:36] At this time, I believe in the joy of the sites I've been found that are within the scope of the work being done at this point working in Ford.

[1:29:46] That's my understanding.

[1:29:48] We'd never completely know that based on the information we have now, that yes.

[1:29:55] So with that anticipation, moving forward, because we know things.

[1:30:00] Please change and it's very fluid because it's been changing constantly. If there's a change to this, going forward into the future, we will be brought back another amendment to this budget and we will have to approve anything changing on it moving forward if there's additional cost.

[1:30:17] That's correct.

[1:30:18] That's enough questions for me right now.

[1:30:20] I have any other questions in the board for our jumping.

[1:30:25] Today is responsible for managing this project on behalf of the County Crack.

[1:30:29] That's correct.

[1:30:30] You guys drive our responsible drawing up the budget for this project, Crack.

[1:30:34] That's correct.

[1:30:35] And last call, you came to do very,

[1:30:37] then that came to this board and said,

[1:30:39] if you can't $14 million, we could finish this project, right?

[1:30:44] That's correct.

[1:30:45] So this board, from three of us,

[1:30:48] in two days and down to our county,

[1:30:52] or some in the dollar county, making this happen.

[1:30:55] We know budget was drawn up.

[1:30:57] This contract is currently between Dubai

[1:31:00] and we walk track, correct?

[1:31:02] That's correct.

[1:31:03] And so, when you did this, you did the budget,

[1:31:05] you did the budget looking at the rates

[1:31:07] that you were currently paying at that time,

[1:31:09] which was 35% more than what

[1:31:12] CalTransfer reimbursement is, right?

[1:31:17] I'm not sure.

[1:31:18] I am.

[1:31:19] So I wanted to say yes.

[1:31:21] Okay.

[1:31:21] So you're pretty good.

[1:31:22] So you had this budget, that you're good about, that included the rate, that was higher

[1:31:27] than what Catherine did.

[1:31:30] So, Tony, why you come in a really, really frank, yeah, 14 million bucks was a big

[1:31:36] push for this county and we really went to the line to get this time.

[1:31:39] So, tell me why you put together a budget for this project that included the right, which

[1:31:45] I assume included the right that you're currently paying.

[1:31:49] And now you're not nobody to back to this board to solve what I see is your problem.

[1:31:55] So, tell me why this is my problem and that you're a problem for duty, since you're in charge

[1:32:00] of management's project.

[1:32:02] Sure.

[1:32:02] So I respect that and understand the, you know, your, your position.

[1:32:10] I think when, when the badges were developed for the, for the additional money, the,

[1:32:18] the assumption for cultural hiring was less than what, what, what the request, what the

[1:32:29] that is from, you know, from the child manners. So when that budget was developed, there were

[1:32:37] numbers in there, and, you know, what the, what the ask was was just, it was far beyond anything

[1:32:47] we could have touched it. And then we did another budget at the time. That you did this budget,

[1:32:58] That's hard to imagine. Sounds like we just figured out the counter-translate. So I guess

[1:33:02] as you budget it at 1.30. So I don't know that when the budget was established, I don't

[1:33:10] know whether the detail that was done for establishing the budget as part of that 14 million.

[1:33:17] Well, I would hope to do very, very intimate knowledge of the budget. Since you guys are in charge

[1:33:21] of it and you made a commitment, you're going to get this done for the price that you put forward.

[1:33:29] Matt, Matt, I just want one other thing, you know, just in talks with Matt moving forward and the, you know,

[1:33:40] working towards getting this project finished and, you know, there's change orders, which we all have to understand, and which is part of the contract,

[1:33:49] on expansion of the budget moving forward and we, you know, that being understood,

[1:33:59] there was

[1:33:59] extra money put into the fore, you know, prediction on the budget at that time, because we were

[1:34:06] understanding that we already were exponentially above budget and so at that point, you know, predicting

[1:34:17] And then, conservatively, we would throw in a certain percentage on that.

[1:34:23] And are we already above that percentage because that was part of the original budget

[1:34:29] for my understanding that we put it forward?

[1:34:33] We're not, but with the, you know, with the amendment request, we, you know, we would

[1:34:38] be above the numbers that were sooner.

[1:34:41] So we'll say, send of what happened after that.

[1:34:47] After that, and at 14,000 what happened late last year, and December, with cash

[1:34:55] 16,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

[1:34:58] You know, more artifacts, resources discovered.

[1:35:03] So this is, it really, I understand the concern.

[1:35:08] And, you know, at the same time this is a moving target, we have the, you know, the, the, the

[1:35:15] rally of the, you know, of law and what is required to be done.

[1:35:21] We're doing a best to manage everything and control costs as, as best as we can.

[1:35:31] What's your last talk about?

[1:35:34] Well, to be adequate about this, or originally, we were told by

[1:35:41] Dudesbury that we only needed $10 million to finish this project.

[1:35:47] Dennis A. Gar from CalTrans was the one that pumped it up to $14 million.

[1:35:51] So actually, it's $4 million over the original estimate that we were given

[1:35:55] by Dudesbury to finish this project.

[1:35:57] So, now we're saying, if we don't do what we're doing here, I'm going to come back for a change order,

[1:36:04] we're already going to be over budget.

[1:36:06] So, if we were going to do it at 10 million, how are we going to 14 million if we were to settle for 10,

[1:36:15] we would be not even close to completing the project.

[1:36:19] So, what are the adequate numbers here?

[1:36:23] I mean, we're not going to be able to go back to CTC.

[1:36:26] We were very, very lucky if you know to get the money we got from them.

[1:36:31] I did.

[1:36:32] I did.

[1:36:32] And how fast we got it.

[1:36:34] They wanted to push it off until October.

[1:36:38] But Dennis pushed for us and pushed up to $14 million.

[1:36:44] So I'm a little bit at a loss as to what is happening here and is 14 going to be enough.

[1:36:55] And yeah, if this is a moving target, there, there,

[1:37:04] can I jump in there for a while?

[1:37:05] Yeah, that's what I could.

[1:37:06] I just didn't know it was next time.

[1:37:07] I'm going to shut.

[1:37:08] Do you want to defer?

[1:37:09] Yeah, I'm sorry.

[1:37:12] I'm sorry.

[1:37:13] I just agree.

[1:37:14] I think that I've been a part of this for a year,

[1:37:16] and the goal post changed every single time.

[1:37:18] And I agree with my fellow supervisors.

[1:37:20] I just feel that, that we've gone not me personally,

[1:37:25] But the representatives that went down to fight for that money have gone above and beyond to get

[1:37:31] do very what they asked for and do very sold it to us, and countless meetings that they would

[1:37:37] be able to do it and it feels like you're throwing it back at us right now.

[1:37:41] It's a great funder.

[1:37:43] I, my question is actually for Robert, so in all of these references that the board keeps

[1:37:50] But you know, during those times, I also asked about women and how much this was going to hit them.

[1:37:58] It never was described or clarified that we have been overcompensating and taken money out of

[1:38:05] room to furthest. And I know some of it was to get this project moving and we are trying to do what

[1:38:12] is really what was good, not what those rates were from cartoons.

[1:38:20] So why wasn't that fully, even when you got the CIP, why would that not clarify in the budget

[1:38:29] with the room funds?

[1:38:30] Because that's been one of the biggest things is so we don't have to touch them.

[1:38:35] Yes, I understand when you perform most of us, we even on this board, you know, and even

[1:38:39] to you, Connie committed a lot of money out of them, but then, but that we worked very hard

[1:38:46] to get the work programs. We spent years programming this money and we are now here with

[1:38:54] this amount of money and I do feel, you know, I think everyone went to the table on December

[1:39:00] and we're on it, but why wasn't that triggered? Why wasn't that red flag that the tribe had been

[1:39:07] getting the stuff to the, or somehow I've been getting the stuff to the item room, we were

[1:39:13] feeling the gap of that without the full reimbursement of our print.

[1:39:18] I mean, because at the end of the day, if we go forward and we build, we've got to find out

[1:39:23] where that difference is going to come, because conferences are going to reimbursement based

[1:39:27] on the based on what is already programmed for this, and so I guess to you, why wasn't that

[1:39:34] that never red flag, especially time and time again when I kept asking about women in

[1:39:39] the impact of women.

[1:39:41] The work that was done last year was, no one has come out of green yet and for that difference

[1:39:50] in that work that we discussed, that was all required to the invoicing to Caltrance.

[1:39:56] So we've been invoicing Caltrance for all of the costs.

[1:40:00] There are some local match requirements that we have that's coming out of the ring.

[1:40:09] Nothing's been spent there yet, and we also have some right away requirements.

[1:40:14] Again, that's not been spent.

[1:40:17] I have a report that I'm looking to putting your hands that shows you those numbers,

[1:40:22] so you could have all of that.

[1:40:24] But right now we haven't pulled anything out of ring yet.

[1:40:30] So how does the only commitment to the $1.9 million that we have?

[1:40:34] That's still in there.

[1:40:35] Which was more than what you originally asked worse.

[1:40:39] And then the cooperative agreement more in there and we've bumped it up.

[1:40:42] One point now.

[1:40:43] Those are for the cooperative agreements.

[1:40:46] So my other question is, and it's giving me a comment.

[1:40:52] And then is moving forward.

[1:40:56] But if you're not able to get something from current, because we do have this $14 million

[1:41:02] that are early program, and helping another year of this product is not in the best

[1:41:07] interest of anyone, it's actually going to cost a lot more, how soon will we know it will

[1:41:15] be resolved with the tribe, or are we going to have to ask current for recommendations of an

[1:41:23] of monitoring, which I don't want to go down. We should not be leaving our outside of this

[1:41:30] county, but at the same time, the cars to stop and to be threatened to stop this project,

[1:41:37] this further down the line. It's not something I have any appetite for, and if we have to do research

[1:41:42] outside, I don't want to know, because I hope to see that, but we can't be 15 million dollars on the line

[1:41:52] When the two of us have been best in our back, going down to the state, getting this money.

[1:41:57] We're not contemplating anything like that going to another.

[1:42:03] The time that that will take and the complications of that kind of discussion.

[1:42:11] No, we're not contemplating anything like that.

[1:42:13] I just wanted to ask if Robert, you would clarify what ribbon funds are for the audience.

[1:42:17] Well, it's what ribbon funds are normally used for.

[1:42:19] Okay, those are the road impact mitigation fee program was put together in 2004.

[1:42:27] There were certain roads that were included within that road impact mitigation fee program.

[1:42:37] And so the impact of new development is supposed to pay for increased capacity on those roads.

[1:42:45] That's how the RIMP fee for each residence was determined based on a cost estimate in the distribution of the cost to the new development.

[1:42:58] So for the Widen Trail, the Widen Trail was identified as a project within the RIMP program,

[1:43:09] And that that's been there ever since, so that's why those road impact notification fee funds that are collected from new development can be used for that project.

[1:43:23] Those funds can't be used for maintenance, they can't be used for any roads that are not on that list.

[1:43:32] And for, you know, currently most of those funds are being used for the Wagon Trail project.

[1:43:38] Thank you.

[1:43:40] Sue has just pepper.

[1:43:42] Well, you know, we just went over,

[1:43:45] because earlier you brought up, you know,

[1:43:47] the total for, for, for last year,

[1:43:50] which my question on last year's,

[1:43:51] whether it was a, you know,

[1:43:54] fiscal, annual year when you talked about budget.

[1:43:58] It was beyond yours.

[1:43:59] It was six months.

[1:44:00] So we're just talking about 23, 2020.

[1:44:03] That, that said,

[1:44:04] you said $475,000 total,

[1:44:07] which was 125,000 over, which he said at that point would come out of RIM, but it hasn't been

[1:44:13] applied at this time, and because that money came in, so you did the draw from the 14 million

[1:44:21] that came in to be able to sustain it. That said, to follow up, that originally I said,

[1:44:30] you know, I support keeping it in county. It's valuable that we have a local tribe members

[1:44:35] that are able to be able to still take the work

[1:44:38] and I agree with Ms. Bollendorf, as she said.

[1:44:42] And going to outside cultural resources,

[1:44:47] I don't believe that they're really available at this time

[1:44:49] from the state level and everything we have to go through.

[1:44:53] I don't think we would be held up forever.

[1:44:55] So which brings me a next question.

[1:44:59] And it...

[1:45:00] Councils are at last, Deborah, question, because.

[1:45:06] Thank you, sir. Deborah, do you and tell if this cannot be resolved?

[1:45:12] Do you want to resolve this? We want to resolve this. We want to resolve this.

[1:45:15] Do you want to hold it up if they aren't going to work with you?

[1:45:17] It's not about holding it up. I want to clarify that when they're talking about this percentage going up,

[1:45:23] how would look at a thing years ago when I would do work for the county?

[1:45:29] And it was very low rate.

[1:45:31] Try to prove me to do these little side areas,

[1:45:34] at a certain rate.

[1:45:36] Our rate is, all the overhead and everything,

[1:45:40] and what happened here is our rates are the same PG&E,

[1:45:43] CCWD, everyone.

[1:45:46] Now, the percentages talking about is,

[1:45:49] for the year 2024, which is a 3.2 approval

[1:45:53] through the federal.

[1:45:55] We have no problem staying up to date.

[1:45:56] and we'll be forward to negotiations, okay?

[1:46:00] Like we have been doing.

[1:46:02] We're not here to hold the project up

[1:46:04] and to clarify, you can't go out

[1:46:06] and ask for other tribes to come in or other sources.

[1:46:10] This is our area we're here to work together.

[1:46:12] We sat at that board meeting with you,

[1:46:16] right, to get this millions of dollars

[1:46:19] to help pay back.

[1:46:22] We're not here to stop your project.

[1:46:24] Okay, we want to move forward,

[1:46:25] where we're successful together, but as well as not taking funding away from us to that hourly

[1:46:34] rate and that's just not paying just for employee. That's paying for all the other things

[1:46:37] that come into play with business. Thank you, answer my question. I just have to say one with

[1:46:44] the health transfer, I'm sorry, health transfer shared with Robert and Howard Friday at a private

[1:46:53] little who's in meeting our negotiations with Cal Trans is what happened as one of the firm

[1:47:01] folks did not present the increase yearly. And finally, that has came into effect.

[1:47:08] Yes, and they're working on that. I agree with you. And so final question Robert and thank you

[1:47:16] to Drew Barry is they had a going rate that they're going to stay out and right now you're

[1:47:22] We do think that rate moving forward and you're trying to reduce the rate as opposed to

[1:47:26] what we've been paying the last ever since we started this project.

[1:47:31] Not ever since.

[1:47:33] Not ever since.

[1:47:34] But we were paying them and now we're paying that in your turn around and reducing it.

[1:47:42] That was my question.

[1:47:44] Just when that's kind of a call for public comment on this issue, you know, I got to tell

[1:47:48] when we're this far down the road and the engineers leading this, say things are fluid and we're trying

[1:47:55] to fill it out out, that is no bueno. I mean we are committed, we are not, that makes me incredibly

[1:48:03] nervous and I do look forward to seeing your last contractment that to see how we dealt with

[1:48:08] the cultural resources because it kind of feels like you probably already had that in your budget

[1:48:13] and you're asking for additional funds or we'll have to dig into that deeper.

[1:48:19] I'm going to call for public comment on this item.

[1:48:22] Anybody from the public to speak on this?

[1:48:26] You see, nobody is there anybody online?

[1:48:31] There are no online requests.

[1:48:33] In that case, I will bring it back to the board for discussion on our action.

[1:48:40] Anybody have a comment?

[1:48:41] They want to make on this.

[1:48:42] We're a motion.

[1:48:45] What are the choices with that?

[1:48:47] Because right now, they're asking for more money.

[1:48:50] You were saying, why is it more money?

[1:48:55] And then we're saying, I'm hearing that they're

[1:48:58] reducing the amount that we've been paying according to last amendment.

[1:49:04] And we would, you know, my thought is like,

[1:49:07] keep paying what we're paying them.

[1:49:10] But then that would cost more than the budget adjustment here,

[1:49:14] according what they're paying for.

[1:49:17] I make a, I mean, is this going to hold up the project, do we table it and bring it back?

[1:49:25] I don't know what to do then.

[1:49:28] So, other questions to ask for on this?

[1:49:30] I, to keep the project going because of the demo cost and removing the cost.

[1:49:38] If we delay that, that will hurt us.

[1:49:41] I would move to move this item on the contingency that Robert would get back in front of this board.

[1:49:50] It shouldn't be possible to discuss all the concerns that the board has right now.

[1:49:54] Okay.

[1:49:55] Is that a motion?

[1:49:55] Yes.

[1:49:56] We have a motion on the table, screwdriver.

[1:49:58] I'll second.

[1:50:00] The motion is second.

[1:50:04] Yeah, I just, I, I, I, I would like to, I feel like a pin-a-gun right here to keep this

[1:50:12] project moving.

[1:50:13] I'm actually quite upset that we're doing this in January, especially since we could have

[1:50:16] been doing this in the fall when we did our budget adjustments, but it's near here and over there,

[1:50:23] we have a motion and a second on the table.

[1:50:26] Okay, we'll call the district one yes district two no

[1:50:35] District three yes

[1:50:38] District four yes

[1:50:41] District five three fifths

[1:50:49] now passes

[1:50:52] Three two thank you

[1:57:54] Thomas I just got it

[1:57:59] All right, on the regular agenda, thank you all for being patient.

[1:58:06] Stacy, will you read a sentence?

[1:58:07] Yes.

[1:58:07] Item 18, informational item, administrative office.

[1:58:11] Receive a presentation from LDA partners, Inc.

[1:58:14] Regarding the phase one programming and conceptual design for the new animal shelter.

[1:58:20] Jamie, are you interested in this?

[1:58:21] I am good morning, Chair, and on other members of the Boyd, Jamie, Andrea, led administration

[1:58:26] department.

[1:58:26] I'm here today to introduce Eric from LVA partners as you know the county and April contracted

[1:58:32] with LVA partners to do phase 1, the programming and conceptual design for the new animal

[1:58:37] shelter.

[1:58:38] So I will let Eric leave the way.

[1:58:42] All right.

[1:58:43] Give me a minute here.

[1:58:44] I'll figure out my second.

[1:58:46] And if I can remind you, I'll be speaking directly into the microphones.

[1:58:48] Right.

[1:58:49] If I have an hard time hearing.

[1:58:57] All right.

[1:58:58] Good morning.

[1:58:58] Members of the board.

[1:59:00] Happy to be here today and talk to you about the results of our first phase of phase one for

[1:59:04] programming and conceptual design of the Future Caliburis County Animal Shelter.

[1:59:09] So I wanted to start out by kind of explaining a little bit of the process that we did

[1:59:13] over the past few months, and how we got to here.

[1:59:17] So kind of give you the readers' digest version, if you will, of A to Z, on how we did our

[1:59:21] work and what we're presenting to you today.

[1:59:24] So the first thing we do is we want to establish what the project goals are, and those

[1:59:28] goals will be different for any individual.

[1:59:30] We look at a facility serving modern needs, a facility needs to be durable because the

[1:59:36] extreme abuse that it takes.

[1:59:38] We want to make sure we're using quality materials so that we may have a good, we're

[1:59:43] not investing the budget in maintenance five years down the road, if you will.

[1:59:47] We need to be energy compliance for state of California building coats.

[1:59:51] But maybe more importantly, we need to have comprehensive animal care.

[1:59:54] And we need to be welcoming to the general public and the staff.

[1:59:57] So a lot of times when we forget about the staff...

[2:00:00] But it actually has to work in an animal shelter and we focus on the animals themselves, but we really need to have a cohesive meaning of the minds if you will.

[2:00:10] And so when you start animal shelters, I really start looking at three core principles is what I kind of establish our parameters.

[2:00:18] So that first principle is what I refer to as the city and county perspective.

[2:00:22] And that's what we're mandated to do by the state of California. So there are certain services that you're required to do by state by mandate.

[2:00:27] Those can be animal care, animal control, et cetera.

[2:00:31] Some of them may do in-house, something you may contract out.

[2:00:35] The next perspective is what I refer to as the moral perspective.

[2:00:39] And that's what we should be doing for animal welfare.

[2:00:42] How should we be treating our animals, our dogs, our cats, and animals to be

[2:00:46] bringing into the shelter that may not necessarily be mandated by law?

[2:00:51] And that third perspective is really what I refer to as,

[2:00:54] bringing those two environments together.

[2:00:56] We have the human environment where the staff and the general public comes in and then we have the animal environment and they have to be

[2:01:02] motioned together, they have to be cohesive.

[2:01:05] We have two different species that, you know, can't talk to each other, so we have to be able to understand their movements and their stress levels and how they interact with each other.

[2:01:13] So all that is really difficult to do because when we're talking about animal shelters, we're talking about different types of building projects.

[2:01:19] So we have a custody environment, much like a jail.

[2:01:22] So we have to have hardened surfaces that can be baseball that proof or not proof if you will.

[2:01:28] Then we have to have medical environment because we have to treat animals with medical care.

[2:01:32] So a lot of times we have sterile surfaces, medical gases, just like you would in a medical clinic.

[2:01:37] And then we have to take those two very institutional types of projects and mention together and create a more retail environment.

[2:01:44] So that the community becomes a community asset.

[2:01:48] And so it's not an institutional building.

[2:01:50] It becomes a community hub where people can come together.

[2:01:53] They can rejoice from the animals.

[2:01:55] You can actually rent it out.

[2:01:56] You can have parties, events, at the shelter.

[2:01:58] So we're really trying to create a place

[2:02:00] where the community comes together as opposed to where we just

[2:02:02] housed animals.

[2:02:04] And that's how we start our project.

[2:02:07] So the first thing I want to do is

[2:02:09] tell you about how we established our program.

[2:02:11] So the program is the basis like the building blocks

[2:02:14] and how we build the facility.

[2:02:16] And we look at lots of different things.

[2:02:17] So we start with understanding what the right size for your facility is.

[2:02:22] Your facility has a specific need that is different that's going to be in Sacramento.

[2:02:26] That's different that's going to be in Medesto or different that's going to be in San Diego.

[2:02:30] So we want to make sure we're right-size in the facility for your specific needs.

[2:02:35] So we look and gather statistical data from the past.

[2:02:38] How have you treated animals? How many adoptions have you had out?

[2:02:40] How many animals do you bring in? What's the average length of stay?

[2:02:43] So, we take that data and we extrapolate out for projected needs for now and then looking

[2:02:49] in five years, 10 years down the road.

[2:02:52] So, we take a look at all your data.

[2:02:54] We make sure that we're addressing your specific needs, we're listening to your staff,

[2:02:58] we're listening to your community, to make sure that what we're putting together is really

[2:03:02] the needs for Calvary's County and not another jurisdiction.

[2:03:06] So, you see on the screen here, some of the ways we do it, we use building blocks to identify

[2:03:09] by how different places can go together.

[2:03:11] We look at pictures, what's kind of like a word association, if you will.

[2:03:15] And when we put that all together into a written program.

[2:03:19] So what you see on the screen right now is actually the program for Calabarish County.

[2:03:23] This is the needs and the wishes for your staff and your community to build a new modern shelter.

[2:03:29] And we've broken it out into different areas.

[2:03:32] So you'll see we have public areas, animal habitats, areas for staff and support and intake and adoption.

[2:03:38] And so we break all those areas out, and we apply how big that space should be.

[2:03:43] So for instance, the very first line on there is the lobby, 350 square feet.

[2:03:47] And then for all these spaces, we apply a multiplier.

[2:03:50] And that's referred to as an area factor or a grossing factor.

[2:03:53] And that accommodates for raw thicknesses, dot chases, utility chases, things like that.

[2:03:58] And so we'll notice, as we do out to different areas, different sub-headings may have different

[2:04:04] And that's because of the types of materials that we need to use in these individual spaces

[2:04:08] where the mechanical or plumbing systems within.

[2:04:12] And so with this, we have an overall project program of roughly around 10,000 square feet.

[2:04:19] That's if we could build everything all at once.

[2:04:20] That's the needs that we've identified for Calaveras County.

[2:04:24] So what we need to do now is look at how we put those together in a cohesive plan for your specific needs.

[2:04:33] But before we do that, I want to give you a little bit of background on your current

[2:04:37] shelter.

[2:04:38] These are images of your current shelter.

[2:04:41] So the top is kind of dog habitats.

[2:04:44] The bottom is cat habitats.

[2:04:47] And what we see here is something that's very typical of a shelter that was built in the kind

[2:04:51] of early mid 70s.

[2:04:53] But maybe most importantly, what we see here does not meet in any way, shape, or form the

[2:04:57] current standards of care for animal care.

[2:05:01] And that has changed tremendously over the past few decades, even 15 years ago, we're doing

[2:05:07] things a little bit differently now.

[2:05:09] So as we look at different animal shelters and our standards, one thing that's kind

[2:05:13] of hard to, a little bit of hard to understand is if you look in the building code, you're

[2:05:17] not going to see a section in the building code that says, I need to have X number square feet

[2:05:21] for a dog or X number square feet for a cat.

[2:05:24] The standards for animal care are established by different trade entities, so the SPCA or

[2:05:29] the American Society of Veterinary Care, or EC Davis,

[2:05:33] of course, Royal Veterinary Medicine.

[2:05:36] Ver the ones who established the standards,

[2:05:38] and the how they're enforced is through litigation.

[2:05:40] Much like ADA is enforced through litigation.

[2:05:43] And so those standards have become the de facto norm

[2:05:46] throughout the United States.

[2:05:48] And so those, ever, always evolving, much like ADA does.

[2:05:52] Every building code cycle you see ADA upgrades,

[2:05:55] that those standards have evolved over time.

[2:05:57] And so that's what we're using now.

[2:06:00] So they have established a minimum size for dog habitats

[2:06:03] for cat habitats, air changes, plumbing, and things like that.

[2:06:08] And so we look at those crunch standards

[2:06:09] and look at your current facility.

[2:06:11] Some of the things that we see in dog habitats

[2:06:14] are child infancy drains that slope out

[2:06:17] towards the staff member, that promotes contamination

[2:06:20] and disease, because we have fecal matter

[2:06:23] or other things that are bacteria in the canals that can get on people's feet, and that

[2:06:30] get transferred to another location. And so for dog habitats, we always want to see drains

[2:06:35] that flow towards the back. We see materials that are non-absorptive, so while we may have

[2:06:41] a concrete or concretemasonally base, we always put epoxy or non-absorptant surface over

[2:06:46] the top. Your facility right here is concrete, but concrete is very durable, it's very

[2:06:52] animal, urnates, or defigates in a cano that is being absorbed in the concrete and once it gets in that

[2:06:57] concrete it is impossible to get out. Your cat habitats here we have a lot of back of house program

[2:07:05] areas which we see in the middle of the adoption area and so we try to separate those out. We try to keep

[2:07:11] where our adoptions are separate from where our medical and back of house or operational program

[2:07:17] aspects take place.

[2:07:21] So, as we look at new shelters, we have different ideas that we would

[2:07:24] like to do. As I mentioned before, we try to make this a place for a community connectivity

[2:07:29] or a place where people want to come to the facility. And that starts at the front door if the

[2:07:33] first impression, if you will. So, some of the things we would like to do is make good first impression

[2:07:37] and that the entry. So, let's just see on the screen, are some examples of different shelters

[2:07:41] throughout the country, somewhere where we're relatively close to San Andreas here, and we don't need

[2:07:47] But basically what we're trying to do is create a patio or a place of entry for people to come in.

[2:07:53] And so when they're bringing in animal in or taking animal out,

[2:07:56] the animal has a chance to adapt from the inside to the vehicle where they may be coming from,

[2:08:01] and that helps them put that in ease.

[2:08:05] But look at cat habitats, cats are in the shelter and road a little bit more fun

[2:08:10] because they're very reactive to human interaction.

[2:08:14] And so we'd like to see some cats up front, and so you can get a front and personal.

[2:08:17] So you can see some images here of modern cat habitats, where people can actually go into the space,

[2:08:23] play with them, but they're very, very visual from the front door.

[2:08:28] Cats also like to climb, they like to hide out, they like to interact.

[2:08:33] So you see different habitats, images on the screen here where cats can go hide.

[2:08:37] They can climb on a wall.

[2:08:39] We also like to be able to put them inside and outside.

[2:08:42] And so maybe spot where the cat can go through animal door,

[2:08:46] to the outside, it's still in closed, but it can still play and get the natural error.

[2:08:51] So from a habitat standpoint, we'd like to see about 15 square feet per cat, and all

[2:08:58] habitat, all cat habitats and dog habitats, I should say, are always divided.

[2:09:03] So you may have a habitat as a whole, which would be 15 square feet, but it's divisible where

[2:09:09] you have where a cat might use it a litter or food that's separate from where it actually

[2:09:14] lives.

[2:09:15] That's for these control and let the animal have some privacy.

[2:09:19] The same thing applies for dogs.

[2:09:22] We'd like to see double-sided and vertical and horizontal

[2:09:25] separations in cat habitats, most like all animals,

[2:09:28] we'd like to have natural light and visual enrichment.

[2:09:31] And that's one of the things that's really lacking in the current

[2:09:34] facility.

[2:09:37] Now before I get into dogs, I wanted to talk to you a little bit

[2:09:40] about noise control because noise control in dog habitats

[2:09:43] is paramount.

[2:09:45] There's been lots of studies, group commission, many

[2:09:47] them over the years, how to control dog noise.

[2:09:51] You know, one of the first studies that we commissioned

[2:09:52] when we took our acoustical engineer going to an animal space

[2:09:57] and they measured how loud that animals were,

[2:10:00] they found that it was actually louder than the MD80 taking off.

[2:10:03] So that's how loud that space can actually be louder

[2:10:06] than the jet airplane taking off.

[2:10:07] So we can imagine the stress that the animals feel

[2:10:10] in that space also the staff that has to work there.

[2:10:14] If you're a staff member and you are constantly

[2:10:16] just, um, bras by that amount of noise. It's going to take a toll. So we can do

[2:10:21] something for dog habitats, uh, but don't cost anything, or it costs very

[2:10:25] little. The first thing is to have the number of dogs. If we had a room

[2:10:29] of about 20 dogs and we just have that, then we can reduce about 8 to 10

[2:10:33] decibels from there, and that's easy to do. So our dog habitats, we try to keep

[2:10:37] no bigger than 8 to 10 dogs in there. We look at how we can put noise

[2:10:41] of drugs and materials in spaces. We typically like to see them on the ceiling

[2:10:45] because we can get more bang for our buck that way,

[2:10:47] we get more sound control for our dollar.

[2:10:50] We also haven't want to make sure that we have sound separation.

[2:10:53] So the image on the left-hand side of your screen

[2:10:55] just kind of shows a hurting area where you may have a wall between those two animal habitats.

[2:10:59] There's always a sound break that goes all the way up to the ceiling.

[2:11:02] That keeps noise from traveling above the ceiling plane into the next room.

[2:11:07] If we have a violation of that wall,

[2:11:09] noise will find the hole and get through and that's going to create a larger noise than the space.

[2:11:18] So, what you see here, our examples of dog habitats, modern dog habitats, and some of these are, again, our shelters that are very close.

[2:11:26] I think actually all these images here are for shelters that are either in Sacramento, outgrow, or Medesto area.

[2:11:33] So, as I mentioned to you, before our dog habitats are divided, much like the cats habitat are, a typical dog habitat is four by six feet times two.

[2:11:42] So each half of that dog habitat is going to be four by six feet.

[2:11:46] It's divided by a stainless steel D&T in door so that if you need to clean one half of the

[2:11:51] the kennel, you can shut that door and move the animal to one side, clean it, and then

[2:11:55] you can repeat that process for the other side.

[2:12:01] One of the things with dogs, depending upon the dog that you have, we sometimes have larger

[2:12:05] kennels because of the size of the dog, well cats are typically one size, dogs range, and lots of

[2:12:12] We were running from Chihuahua as to great gains.

[2:12:15] And so the habitats that we use sometimes need to be a little bit bigger.

[2:12:19] And they'd be also used in more flexible scenarios where you might have a dog that has puppies.

[2:12:25] So we have a lot of flexibility in our dog habitats.

[2:12:28] We typically try to have interior and exterior dog habitats.

[2:12:32] That's one of the standards.

[2:12:33] If we need to establish cost saving measures, we can move those dog habitats all indoors,

[2:12:40] which is what you see in the upper left hand, immature, where they have a tattoo on all

[2:12:44] indoors.

[2:12:45] But in order to get that indoor outdoor field, we've created large garage doors if

[2:12:50] you will.

[2:12:50] So when that weather is nice, we can open those up, have the weather flow come in, and have

[2:12:54] a nice breeze, and it creates more of an interior exterior atmosphere.

[2:12:59] I can't always typically stay in the store, they always have tops on them, and as I mentioned

[2:13:02] you before, they have epoxy coatings around them.

[2:13:04] that's to keep different fluids from being absorbed

[2:13:09] into the masonry or concrete.

[2:13:12] One of the things I asked to also mention

[2:13:14] about the kennels is the very plumbing

[2:13:17] and mechanical system intensive.

[2:13:20] So every side of that kennel, it has a drain,

[2:13:22] and that's to be able to clean it.

[2:13:24] The energy changes that we typically see

[2:13:26] in animal habitats are 15 energy changes per hour.

[2:13:30] Again, that's a standard that's been set

[2:13:31] by those various trade trades.

[2:13:33] So, what that really means is every four minutes

[2:13:35] we're completely changing out the air.

[2:13:37] We're exhausting the air.

[2:13:38] We're taking it from the outside.

[2:13:40] We're conditioning it down to a tolerable environment

[2:13:43] and then we're exhausting it right back out

[2:13:45] into the atmosphere again.

[2:13:47] I'm like this room right here

[2:13:49] where we're taking that air,

[2:13:50] we're conditioning and restructuring it.

[2:13:52] Animal habitats, we exhaust the air back out

[2:13:54] and that's to prevent disease contamination.

[2:13:57] So, that's one of the things that makes

[2:13:58] animal shelters a little bit unique

[2:14:00] in the building world

[2:14:00] Because we have to use different types of mechanical systems and plumbing systems that we don't necessarily use in the human world.

[2:14:11] Some of the other spaces that a lot of the public may not necessarily see, but are needed for a new facility, areas for laundry, laundry is unbelievably intense in an animal facility.

[2:14:25] It happens all the time.

[2:14:27] So we use washers and dryers that are commercial grade because the residential ones won't last a week because that's so much

[2:14:33] long to that we're going through. We have dishwasher and food prep. We typically have stainless steel

[2:14:39] counters for mixing food. This is dog wash. We have washing components much like you're getting your own kitchen.

[2:14:46] So dish washers, they can be a residential grade or commercial grade or really kind of depends on the facility and

[2:14:52] And then the other areas were support.

[2:14:54] That's animal intake procedures, grooming,

[2:14:57] could be medical care, or separation.

[2:15:00] Resolution of the animals.

[2:15:04] Other spaces that we see now in modern shelters, which typically always

[2:15:08] see a military purpose facility. Generally speaking, that may be a room that may be the size of that

[2:15:14] typical classroom. That can be used for vaccination clinics, staff education, various community

[2:15:19] meetings, and maybe more importantly, whether you generation, so you can rent it out for

[2:15:24] community. We would like to see spaces for our exotics and small

[2:15:29] mammoths, just because we typically think of dogs and cats doesn't mean that

[2:15:34] she don't have geckos or snakes or birds or guinea pigs or hamsters. They all

[2:15:39] kind of come in. I always tell people I have two cats at home but I also have a

[2:15:43] gecko and so if something would happen to us we would place for that gecko to go.

[2:15:48] So we always make sure we have spots for the animals that we don't necessarily

[2:15:51] think about all the time. And then one of the other things I was going to mention here, as I

[2:15:57] kind of mentioned before, I alluded to in the building systems with the mechanical

[2:16:00] and plumbing, we have different, we need to make sure that a building is durable. So we have

[2:16:04] wall protections, so you can see in the right hand corner, you have wall protection just like you

[2:16:09] would in the hospital because you have lots of carts and carriers that kind of come into the walls

[2:16:13] and they always run into the walls. We make sure that we have wall floor protection, the shelters

[2:16:18] will take a beating. They will get very, very, very used. So we need to make sure the materials

[2:16:24] that we use are extremely durable. And as I mentioned to you before, the 15 air exchanges

[2:16:28] per hour, that is very unique. Again, that's not, this is certainly what you would see in the

[2:16:32] human world, but it's a standard and the animal cell-training world.

[2:16:38] And while we've talked about

[2:16:39] the building itself, we need to talk a little bit about the outside of the building. So we have

[2:16:43] needs of spaces where people can take the animal and interact with it before it becomes adopted.

[2:16:48] or if you're holding an animal for a while,

[2:16:50] and he's able to get out and run around a little bit.

[2:16:54] So we have spaces for dogs and kind of run around

[2:16:57] through the staff can take them out or a potential adoptee

[2:17:00] can take them out cats like to have that interior

[2:17:03] outdoor environment as well.

[2:17:06] And we want to make that almost like a park light setting.

[2:17:08] So people enjoy playing with an animal.

[2:17:11] Those are the fun parts of the shelter,

[2:17:13] but we also have what I refer to as kind of not so fun.

[2:17:16] So it's the parking lot, it's a freezer,

[2:17:17] where we have to store dead animals that sometimes we have to take care of, where we have staff

[2:17:22] parking or trailers or emergency vehicles.

[2:17:24] That's what, for you, is the back of house, that's what we don't want the public to go.

[2:17:28] That's really a more for staff.

[2:17:30] And we also typically see Sally ports, you know, much like in a custody environment, we need

[2:17:34] to have an area where we can transfer a person or an animal from a vehicle into the facility,

[2:17:40] and they will get out every time, you know, every moment.

[2:17:44] So we want to make sure we have a Sally port, so if an animal does get out in the transfer

[2:17:47] between the vehicle and the intake,

[2:17:50] that we're not having to run over the back 40

[2:17:52] to try to capture it again.

[2:17:53] We need to keep it contained.

[2:17:56] Now, as part of the current shelter,

[2:17:58] we're also typically like at your current large animal holdings.

[2:18:01] So we talked about dogs, duck buck hats,

[2:18:04] you know, exotics, and small mammals,

[2:18:06] but you also have large animals.

[2:18:07] Those are horses, goats, pigs, things like that.

[2:18:10] Especially in rural areas, you see a lot more of this.

[2:18:14] We took a look at your current in large animal,

[2:18:16] it's adequate. I'm not necessarily thinking that we need to do too much. We would like to see

[2:18:21] maybe a wrong in the future, but generally speaking we can maintain with what we have there.

[2:18:26] So that's one of the things that we can kind of keep.

[2:18:31] On the screen, what you see right here are examples of, these are examples from our construction

[2:18:36] documents, other materials. So one of the things that I was kind of kind of up when you're talking

[2:18:40] about animal structures, people said that why are they so expensive? Why do you have to use these

[2:18:48] the durability and the need to maintain that animal environment.

[2:18:52] So on the left-hand side, you see a section cutting through a typical dog canal where you

[2:18:57] have a CMU wall that's separated by a guillotine door, so you have an outdoor adoption side

[2:19:02] and an indoor adoption side.

[2:19:04] The upper right hand corners, you can see how we've established taking a sound break from

[2:19:10] where the ceiling plane is all the way to the underside of the roof deck.

[2:19:14] That's the key, that's for noise mitigation and to maintain that, that sound isolation between spaces.

[2:19:20] And we do that whether we have wood walls, or a metal stem from walls, or a CMU walls.

[2:19:26] And then the middle, like hand-picture, that's an image of or a detail of how that drain system works.

[2:19:33] So we have two drains and one dog habitat, and those are typically placed back by that guillotine door.

[2:19:39] And so when the chemo is washed, all the effluent can go back towards that one drain.

[2:19:44] It never comes towards you, it goes toward the back.

[2:19:46] And again, that's where disease control.

[2:19:52] So those are things we typically look at for animal shelters.

[2:19:55] Now let's come back and look at your facility and the recommendations that we have for your specific facility.

[2:20:01] We look at two specific sites.

[2:20:03] One is the existing site of a Jeff Tuddle, right in front of the courthouse.

[2:20:08] And we also looked at another site which is a little bit up on the hill.

[2:20:12] kind of overlooking the courthouse, if you will.

[2:20:14] So we identified in a site one and two,

[2:20:16] a site two, that's where the existing facilities located,

[2:20:20] and that's our preferred site, and there's a few reasons why.

[2:20:23] When we're looking at different sites, we wanted to make sure we evaluated them both

[2:20:27] for existing utilities, we wanted to bring new utilities in.

[2:20:31] We looked at well we might have to do for grading for roads, access, et cetera.

[2:20:35] Fire lanes, things like that.

[2:20:38] And then the public access, how does the general public get to it?

[2:20:40] is it noticeable for the general public.

[2:20:43] So, within animal shelter, we don't want to be out of sight out of mind.

[2:20:46] We want to be front and center so the general public knows where we're at

[2:20:49] and we actually get people to the facility.

[2:20:52] So, in the best of these sites, we look at how we might potentially phase the facility.

[2:20:57] Animal shelter is our expensive projects.

[2:20:59] And so, knowing we may have to phase it over time, we needed to look at how the

[2:21:04] phasing would apply in both of these sites.

[2:21:12] So what you see on the screen right now is our preferred site and our preferred building option or how the building would lay out in a full build out.

[2:21:23] So we come in off a Jeff Tuddle into a public parking lot.

[2:21:28] And we've kind of oriented our project to be over the existing administration area.

[2:21:35] Your current facility is made up of several different modules.

[2:21:38] You have a modular for administration, a modular for cats, and you have a permanent structure for the dogs.

[2:21:44] And so what we're proposing to do for a new facility is to build over the administration modular site.

[2:21:51] Because it's modular, we can easily be relocated during construction and it's the most front and center and most cost effective from utilities and infrastructure standpoint.

[2:22:01] So we have identified the building and they're kind of color coded where the pink is more administration and public lobby.

[2:22:07] The orange, in the front here, that is the, I'm going to purpose, the green area is in the

[2:22:14] cats.

[2:22:14] The blue is the dogs, and then we have our support area, which is in between.

[2:22:19] And the support area is centered to in between the dogs and the cats, because that's

[2:22:23] where the back of housework occurs if you move.

[2:22:26] That's the intake areas.

[2:22:28] That's where the food storage occurs.

[2:22:30] That's where washing things like that occur.

[2:22:33] And that sense where they're located makes the building more efficient.

[2:22:35] So we can reduce the cost for mechanical systems, plumbing systems, etc.

[2:22:41] We have areas for staff parking and salary ports, but when they bring animals in and trash

[2:22:50] enclosure and freezer.

[2:22:52] One of the things that we like about this site right here in the building placement is that

[2:22:56] we still maintain access to the large animal holding which is a little bit up on the hill.

[2:23:02] In the future, we also have a spot where we could build a future clinic that may be

[2:23:05] over the years down the road,

[2:23:07] that's from a master planning standpoint,

[2:23:08] one to make sure that all of our bases were covered.

[2:23:13] Now, I mentioned to you a little bit about phasing.

[2:23:16] So as we talk about the dollars

[2:23:17] in the sense of what it costs for an animal facility,

[2:23:20] we're willing with that one of your immediate needs right now,

[2:23:22] and it became very apparent looking at your kind of facility,

[2:23:25] the immediate needs are the dog housing.

[2:23:27] The dog housing is in the most disrepair

[2:23:30] and the most need and so what we're looking at really doing

[2:23:34] when we organize the facility is finding a way

[2:23:37] that can be easily phased and easily added on to.

[2:23:40] So the area that's highlighted in yellow,

[2:23:42] that represents intake and dog housing.

[2:23:46] And that's what we're going to recommend to you

[2:23:47] as a first phase.

[2:23:49] Because that takes care of the immediate need.

[2:23:53] And if we put it there, we can still kind of maintain

[2:23:57] with somewhat ease the existing administration module.

[2:24:00] We have to move a little bit, but we can still maintain our site.

[2:24:03] And by doing so, that's going to reduce our initial cost.

[2:24:09] And so, this is where we start talking about dollars and cents.

[2:24:13] We're looked at building costs from two perspectives, and this may be a little bit smaller

[2:24:17] to read.

[2:24:20] I didn't give you the highlights here.

[2:24:24] But as we look at costs for the construction, we looked at one just building the dog areas

[2:24:30] only. And then the second part was to build the entire facility. So we apply cost per square

[2:24:36] for all these different spaces. Now one of the benefits of doing short throws throughout

[2:24:40] the state of California and have active animal shelter projects is we can have a lot of time

[2:24:45] pricing and we talk to our contractors constantly. The contractor is going to be the ultimate

[2:24:52] authority of the costing. And so when we talk to our contractors we talk to contractors that build

[2:24:57] animal shelters, ones that build animal shelters currently, so that we have accurate pricing

[2:25:02] in the real world and the real marketplace right now.

[2:25:05] And so what we're seeing are project costs, if we just do the dogs, you're if we're in

[2:25:10] to support for those housing areas and for the dogs, including the site, a total project

[2:25:18] cost of about $7 million.

[2:25:24] That's broken down between the hard cost of a facility and the soft cost.

[2:25:28] So, the hard cost of a facility, that's what I would expect the bid to open up from a contractor on bid day, and you'll see that that number is right amount of $5 million.

[2:25:37] The rest of the project is recovered by soft cost.

[2:25:41] So, soft costs are FF and E, that's fixed to risk furnishings and equipment, permit fees, design fees, special on inspection fees, utility fees, things like that.

[2:25:52] You'll also notice, if you've squinted down on the image here, I've also had established

[2:25:59] project contingencies.

[2:26:01] So I have escalation contingency, a 5% construction contingency, a 10%

[2:26:07] other design contingency, two and a half percent.

[2:26:09] That's maybe it's as to the total project cost of $7 million.

[2:26:14] What's that?

[2:26:15] For the first phase, correct?

[2:26:17] That was the yellow highlighted area.

[2:26:20] We also did an estimate for the full buildout, and that's what this sheet represents.

[2:26:25] So in here, where we had the dog areas, like we just talked about, we also have areas

[2:26:30] for the staff, the administration, multipurpose, the cats, et cetera.

[2:26:35] And what's let's see in the bottom line here is you have a construction hard cost of roughly $8 million,

[2:26:42] project cost of just under $2 million for a total project cost of about $10.8.

[2:26:50] So that's the difference between that phase 1 which we're recommending now and the total

[2:26:54] project cost of the cats, the everything that was just highlight or showing to you on our plan.

[2:27:03] As I mentioned to you before that, this is our recommended site.

[2:27:06] But we want to do dual-gence and we looked at the alternate site which is up on the hill where the existing large animal

[2:27:12] housing is located out.

[2:27:14] And so we looked at it the same way.

[2:27:15] We looked at how we could break it out in the phasing,

[2:27:17] how we could organize the spaces.

[2:27:19] And so this plan right here shows how we could do that.

[2:27:23] The upper right hand, that is the dog housing.

[2:27:25] It's a little bit of a reduced program

[2:27:27] from what we were showing on a recommended option.

[2:27:31] And then we have the cat and the administration areas

[2:27:33] on a lower left hand side.

[2:27:37] In this scenario, it's actually more expensive.

[2:27:41] And that's one of the reasons why we're recommending

[2:27:43] or preferred site.

[2:27:47] In this scenario, even with a reduced program of dog housing, we're looking

[2:27:51] at a total project cost of roughly just under $8 million. And that has, is because we have

[2:27:57] added infrastructure cost. We have additional grading. We have to bring in new fire roads up to that

[2:28:02] area. It's a little bit more out of sight out of mind, which is something we're trying to

[2:28:07] avoid a little bit with the sheltering. And so this shows a phase one cost of, again, just under

[2:28:13] eight million dollars. And if we were to build all a full build out on that first site up

[2:28:20] on the hill, we see a total project cost of about 13 million. And that breaks down to a hard

[2:28:26] cost of about 9.6 and a soft cost of just over 2 million. And so you can see by putting the

[2:28:32] facility up on the hill where the existing animal housing is, it actually increases the

[2:28:38] project costs considerably. And so that's one of the reasons why we're recommending the

[2:28:43] site, the existing site, off a Jeff title, right off the entry.

[2:28:49] With that, I would open

[2:28:50] up to the board for any questions that you may have.

[2:28:54] We're measuring questions before we get a public comment.

[2:28:58] So, Brad is tough now.

[2:29:00] On your phase one, that was $10 million.

[2:29:07] I just want to know when we're looking at the top view that you had from the whole area.

[2:29:18] So that's fine.

[2:29:22] What does this include?

[2:29:23] I mean, if you're going to put equipment in there and level that and grade it all down,

[2:29:29] are you going to, I mean, because you got a distance from where the existing is all the way to the back,

[2:29:34] Is that all going to be included parking lot that you have there all graded down? Otherwise they're going to be a trail going back there every day

[2:29:42] Well, this right here is the existing site and it generally already graded

[2:29:47] There is grading that would have to occur

[2:29:49] But one of the reasons why we like this is we have minimal grading and we have the existing infrastructure there

[2:29:53] What we would need to do is relocate administration and

[2:29:58] And there's the friends

[2:30:01] That would need to get relocated during construction.

[2:30:03] Does this include all that? $10 million?

[2:30:06] Yes. Those are built in soft costs.

[2:30:09] Yes.

[2:30:10] What we did not identify, however, where that location would be.

[2:30:14] Like, if we had administration, we would have to move to a different location.

[2:30:17] We did not specifically identify where that would be.

[2:30:19] I think staff has maybe had some discussions and where that could be.

[2:30:22] But I would probably deferred to them on that.

[2:30:24] Well, I understand it was taking it from site 1, 2 site 2, save us about $2 million as far as grading, and yes, that's exactly right.

[2:30:32] So that was the reason for that, and then the administration and focus would move somewhere else.

[2:30:37] And then the dogs would go pretty much back where the focus trailer is now.

[2:30:41] That's correct.

[2:30:43] Practically the halfway through administration?

[2:30:47] Yes, so on this image right here, with the highlighted area, that's the phase one.

[2:30:51] So that's where we're saying it was a $7 million project right there, that yellow area is generally

[2:30:57] speaking where that focus trailer is right now, and I said $10 million, I meant $7 million.

[2:31:02] $7 million.

[2:31:03] We can do the $10 million, which one?

[2:31:07] Gary, is that a question?

[2:31:09] Yeah, I'm done.

[2:31:10] Mark, do you have anything else?

[2:31:11] I have further things to say, but I'll wait.

[2:31:13] Very well.

[2:31:14] Move on to public comment.

[2:31:15] I would remind the public that you have three minutes.

[2:31:18] This is not a question and answer, so if you're not trying to start a dialogue, we'll

[2:31:24] circle back on this after the public comment, I want to make sure everybody's got a chance

[2:31:28] to be heard.

[2:31:29] Sir, you're first out.

[2:31:30] Jim, what a line up that makes it a little faster.

[2:31:33] My name is Jim Whitman, 531, 531 by glass, and you just can't, I just want to go on a comment

[2:31:38] that this is a very much needed project, and I think the board would consider in your

[2:31:45] this decision. You should consider the entire project now, not doing it in phases, because you

[2:31:51] would have the same problem you're having with that road contract right now. You know what the

[2:31:56] prices are now? Spend what you have right now. If you wait two or three years to do another

[2:32:01] phase, guess what? The prices are going to be higher. So if you don't have to come back to the

[2:32:05] world for a second time, do you do the entire project while you're doing it? The animals will thank you.

[2:32:10] Thank you.

[2:32:15] I know all very excited about this, but generally we don't do the place.

[2:32:18] You could do the happy hands. I will try to keep the movie.

[2:32:23] Sir Thomas. Yes, sir.

[2:32:26] I was very involved in the previous design and attempt on the site, when I was on the board of the

[2:32:33] and we're here in the society.

[2:32:34] So could you put that side back up a little show of shows?

[2:32:52] And a little like, and what is the show that I think will be a...

[2:33:00] Excuse me.

[2:33:00] I'm sorry, I was probably...

[2:33:02] Do you know what I want to do?

[2:33:03] It's not a dialogue.

[2:33:04] You want to make a statement about it?

[2:33:06] Okay.

[2:33:07] I hope it's just confused about what's a new construction...

[2:33:11] There are a lot of things that are on the left-hand side, you can sort of put them in a project.

[2:33:20] And I also encourage you to don't lose any faculty to have an opportunity in the upper over the hill

[2:33:29] for your larger animal intake.

[2:33:33] And the fact that you have access to any creek where you're on the back.

[2:33:38] you could reduce your traffic flow, so maybe we can load you, but we can say having an access

[2:33:44] word going back there, there was always our intent to do that.

[2:33:52] The picture that you have

[2:33:53] on the screen originally when you started was a lot of glass, and I was killed with a thousand

[2:34:00] and you're facing south, but I see it's going to be facing just, which is good. But anyway,

[2:34:05] I'm excited about the rushbacks of having this family come to fruition and I also appreciate

[2:34:12] your comments about getting it down now.

[2:34:14] Where is it?

[2:34:15] It's getting it down.

[2:34:16] It's been a long time, about 25 to 30 years, but anyway, thanks for your time.

[2:34:22] Thank you.

[2:34:23] Lisa.

[2:34:28] Good morning, Board.

[2:34:30] Lisa, the D.M.

[2:34:31] I'm a management agency administrator and I'm a services director.

[2:34:35] First of all, I want to thank you.

[2:34:36] And I also want to thank everybody here too.

[2:34:39] That's really nice training.

[2:34:41] And for listening to this presentation,

[2:34:43] I'd like to thank our administration team,

[2:34:45] working so hard to get this emotion.

[2:34:49] And I'd also like to thank all of you for asking presentation.

[2:34:53] Thank you very much.

[2:34:55] Continue to attend the grading conditions in the infrastructure

[2:34:58] of our current shelter in Pax,

[2:35:00] needle in our hands.

[2:35:01] We are charged with,

[2:35:02] but also the morale of the humans

[2:35:04] that cheer for the including staff

[2:35:06] are volunteers in a community. In this shelter we're not in a greatly

[2:35:11] benefit enhanced the health, safety, and welfare of the animals, but would have a positive

[2:35:16] morale impact on children's development, daily, and acute change in conditions.

[2:35:22] These past few years we have seen our shelter operations enhanced by improvements in operations

[2:35:28] and procedures, working with our Calabers Community Society, Rescue Groups, to find homes

[2:35:34] So, our aim is including dogs, cats, guests, snakes, pigs, horses, ears, parents, chickens,

[2:35:42] goats, sheep, and even an occasional guinea pig or children.

[2:35:47] We also have the addition of a cat and a cross-reproperking on their own partnerships with

[2:35:51] our focus members to facilitate our highly successful abilities and make-a-ship clinics, which

[2:35:57] not only protect our caregivers' enemies, but protect our community members and our communities

[2:36:02] as well.

[2:36:02] And your shelter will be a welcome addition, and would also provide a new welcome environment for members of our community, which leads to more visits and more adoptions.

[2:36:14] We will continue to provide the care, love, medical care, and companionship for the animals in New Carolina, while meeting our children, shelter rescinders of care.

[2:36:25] Thank you for listening.

[2:36:26] Thank you. Other public comments?

[2:36:32] We just need a little bit to remember that the data that you were given originally, 90% of the

[2:36:41] dogs that we've taken are big dogs, big, big dogs, so we need big kennels.

[2:36:47] That is imperative.

[2:36:49] We have one of the injuries in the kennels that we are now, I mean, I saw them folks.

[2:36:55] We're taking dogs in and out.

[2:36:57] And so, it's imperative because we have so many big dogs and Mike, we're good.

[2:37:06] I can verify my data.

[2:37:09] Thank you.

[2:37:11] Mr. Yvonne.

[2:37:12] Mr. Yvonne.

[2:37:15] There are no online requests.

[2:37:17] No, I'm sorry.

[2:37:19] Yes, ma'am.

[2:37:23] Hello.

[2:37:24] My name is Marguer Wicken, 544 Spyglass, and I am very much in I have dogs, and I am a dog lover.

[2:37:38] I am very much in moving next door, and on a daily basis, I see ads where they find dogs that

[2:37:48] which is abandoned and where they find them, they're kind enough to pick a market, they already have dogs, they have cats, they can keep them, and the current shelter doesn't have the room for those dogs.

[2:38:04] So, of course, going to have those dogs, so these larger facilities is very, very much new to it.

[2:38:12] The number one choice, I agree with him, that the disability, something that people can see from the street or from the road.

[2:38:26] and inviting also, if a facility is newer and invites people to volunteer because it's

[2:38:35] new, it's fresh and also if you want to adopt a pet, they have the interaction in a nice area.

[2:38:48] The noise problem, you go to any shelter and the noise, especially all the dogs, barking

[2:38:56] But it is an adventure heart, so I strongly request that you have a heart and spend money on

[2:39:09] this animals, the one is for living home and living up.

[2:39:15] So thank you very much.

[2:39:19] Yes, ma'am.

[2:39:20] And if you'd like to speak, if you could line up, that'd be great, although I know you're fine.

[2:39:24] Hi, I'm John Elliott. I'm on the focus board. I was on the Human Society Board with

[2:39:31] Russ for 12 years, so this has been a project since I've come to Canada, there's county.

[2:39:40] So I have to say your presentation was excellent, but very impressive. I just want to share

[2:39:47] a story a couple of stories. I had a couple of calls in the last couple of years of people

[2:39:52] coming to the shelter, wanting to adopt animals,

[2:39:56] and luckily one of them did, but the others couldn't take it.

[2:40:00] They went in and they went home and they had nightmares about it.

[2:40:03] I mean, they pictured the dogs,

[2:40:05] I mean, the noise level, the smell, everything about it.

[2:40:09] So we lose people that come to the county

[2:40:13] that want to find their dog or cats,

[2:40:16] but they can't handle the situation.

[2:40:19] And to the, I can't, I've gone in a couple of times, and I go home, and I, it bothers me.

[2:40:26] And I, I'm really hope that you do consider doing it, finishing it, because we needed.

[2:40:33] Because when we went down to the couple of the, um, new shelters that we went to Elk Grove,

[2:40:41] And I went to the run in San Luis Obispo.

[2:40:44] It's warm in, you walk in, you don't feel like August, you know, I can't stand it.

[2:40:51] It's welcoming, you walk, you see the love, you sit, the animals themselves are in a much

[2:40:57] nice and bright.

[2:40:58] They're not stressed.

[2:41:00] And I really do hope you guys will consider doing this from one, all the way to the

[2:41:06] end because we really need it.

[2:41:08] We really need it.

[2:41:09] Thank you.

[2:41:10] Thank you.

[2:41:10] All right, see, thank you for the happy answer.

[2:41:14] Seeing a little more, seeing a little more public comment,

[2:41:16] bring it back to the board to the discussion.

[2:41:18] If I understand it, the staff is seeking direction.

[2:41:22] Is that correct, please?

[2:41:24] That is correct.

[2:41:25] That is correct.

[2:41:26] Chairman Garmin, as you know, we have approximately $4 million

[2:41:30] program for this project right now.

[2:41:33] Clearly, that's insufficient to fund even the first phase

[2:41:37] let alone the entire project.

[2:41:39] So we are looking for a direction from the board on how you would like us to proceed.

[2:41:46] Thank you.

[2:41:46] So we're just stopper.

[2:41:50] I would thank you for the comment as working the building in the street before.

[2:41:58] Even throughout the financial fall from 2008, you know,

[2:42:04] houses went down by building costs to not go down for the most part.

[2:42:10] We're on a low and when it comes to material costs for building.

[2:42:15] It's been up and down thing, especially throughout COVID.

[2:42:20] And on an off note, I do want to acknowledge from what you said,

[2:42:23] disease exhausting post COVID is still better for animals than us.

[2:42:30] But that's beside the point.

[2:42:34] Theresa did ramp the $4 million.

[2:42:37] As I understand, possibly right now the extra $200,000 from the state that the senator got maybe on full time being because they're budget issues.

[2:42:53] Is that true?

[2:42:53] That is correct. The state's budget is as everyone is aware, very challenged this year.

[2:43:01] So, you know, conceptually, this is long overdue, we all love our animals, I believe every board member here is very much in favor of getting this done because it's been put off and put off and put off, not that there was the intent of the boards in the past, but that was the result as it was put off.

[2:43:27] And again, the month, this year, money, cost, and delivers.

[2:43:36] So when it comes to our capital funds, is there nothing else there beyond that 4 million

[2:43:43] dollars that we can work with or is there any other ideas on how we can

[2:43:50] be able to pull

[2:43:52] in funds in another way, conceptually, to be able to at least get through a face, preferably

[2:43:59] the whole project so it doesn't cost us more in the future.

[2:44:02] So we have taken some preliminary looks at the budget.

[2:44:06] What we would like to do is during this budget process that will be going through over the next few months is take a look at how we might manage this project into the budget.

[2:44:18] As you're aware, we don't print money here.

[2:44:20] We do have things that we absolutely have to provide for the public that are required.

[2:44:26] We have very little discretionary funding if we were to fund even the first phase of this

[2:44:33] $3 million is approximately 10% of the board's discretionary funding opportunity.

[2:44:39] So I think as staff, we'd like to take a look as we know our revenues are coming in.

[2:44:45] What those look like, of course we also have a little bit of a structural deficit that we're still

[2:44:49] trying to work through, we'd like to take a holistic look at the budget and how we might

[2:44:56] that hopefully at least phase one.

[2:45:00] We would look, but I think fitting the entire program in this budget year would be very difficult.

[2:45:08] With that, you know, understanding and I appreciate all the work that we've gotten through with your staff.

[2:45:15] And now with you and the lead to be able to get that structural deficit down from nine to ten million dollars down to two million dollars and change is great.

[2:45:27] And I think that moving forward, that is my direction is, let's get a correct accounting

[2:45:37] and then try to move forward on as much as possible moving forward.

[2:45:44] That's what my idea of the best way to proceed and try and get this done as it's long.

[2:45:59] I'd like to clarify regarding the 200,000 that was promised to us by the state that at least

[2:46:07] within an ironic conference call with the grant administrators and those funds have been

[2:46:11] frozen for the animal's shelter. We will hear back in May, whether they've been distributed

[2:46:17] or not. My feeling is personal feeling is with the deficit that's living, we probably will

[2:46:25] I also wanted to jump in and say thank you to administration for going through the hoops and getting us this far and to Eric with LDA obviously.

[2:46:36] I don't know any other facility in Calvary County and I would love somebody would point it out where people work in such a substandard facilities.

[2:46:45] I just don't, and I think Russ, your point that this has been going on for years and years.

[2:46:51] The question I did want to ask, actually, as I continue is, I believe that 4 million.

[2:46:56] There's a ticking clock on that one.

[2:46:57] Is that correct?

[2:47:00] That is correct.

[2:47:02] We will be bringing a plan to your board at mid-year for how we might utilize that funding on things that were programmed through general fund

[2:47:13] and then take general fund and program it back so that we can hold on to the money for the

[2:47:19] animal shelter for a longer period of time.

[2:47:21] Okay.

[2:47:21] Because I take across this point in per penny and for a pound of the whole thing, but ultimately

[2:47:25] if we, if we're up against the clock, we don't want to lose it.

[2:47:29] We don't want to lose space one in my, again, I'd like to point out that it's not fluffy

[2:47:34] puppies and kitties that these people are dealing with on a daily basis.

[2:47:37] These are animals that are not domesticated that come in from rows that have been busted.

[2:47:42] They come from reporting situations where the majority of these animals are sick and need

[2:47:47] ground-acare treatment.

[2:47:51] It's hugely important that we actually take action on this, I believe, as soon as we can.

[2:47:56] I'd also like to say regarding the design, the one note that I had Eric, which I know is spoken to you about before,

[2:48:01] is I don't think that we need something that's as grand.

[2:48:03] I get your point that we need to be in the forefront, but I think if we just need something that's usable.

[2:48:11] And ultimately, I would like to take Debbie's point again, and that is that we don't get small dogs.

[2:48:16] We get really large dogs, and all those canals need to be the large canals, and having the quarantine is hugely important too.

[2:48:24] I did tour our Elf Grove. I think the work that you've done, and to your point, I'm sorry I don't remember your name.

[2:48:30] But, Mark, when you walk in to El Grove, it's like church, the way that it's structured, and the way that those dogs are placed, you don't hear it, and it's not that, that, in saying the coffee that you get when you walk into our shelter.

[2:48:44] So, thank you all. I think it's a brilliant design, and I would love to see it happen.

[2:48:54] Thank you for the presentation and thanks to staff, especially Jamie for keeping this going.

[2:49:03] Another board committed, obviously everybody in this room is committed to see it this time.

[2:49:08] I will go through this budget cycle, it is not going to be easy.

[2:49:13] And we're going to have to make very hard decisions.

[2:49:16] So that's been a question, it's addressed to the county staff line to help us see those two

[2:49:21] fruition and make for that one of the, this area is, is suitable, not just for the animals,

[2:49:31] but also for the volunteers in the work that I have to work with, because it's more, it's also

[2:49:35] a working environment.

[2:49:39] So, everyone on board, because this board is going to have to make cuts in the future on other services that are happening or what from the department.

[2:49:54] So, I just want to make lay that out on the table now, because it is going to get there and comfortable in a couple of months.

[2:50:05] Thank you Mr. Chair. Your estimates are designed or based off your design drawings correctly.

[2:50:14] We don't have construction drawings.

[2:50:15] That's correct.

[2:50:16] So it may change once we get construction drawings and engineered drawings

[2:50:20] that those estimates can go up or they could go down.

[2:50:24] That's correct.

[2:50:25] And those engineered drawings.

[2:50:27] Yes, the estimates we put together so far based upon shelters that we either have recently completed

[2:50:33] or in design that have been priced out and that had three contractors, but we do not have

[2:50:40] construction drawings at this point.

[2:50:41] Yeah, but still without two weeks of R&P with construction drawings.

[2:50:46] There could be some changes too, once we go out and get to John's design, engineer and

[2:50:51] those drawings submitted back to us for approval, that there could be some changes in that

[2:50:57] could lower the prices.

[2:50:58] And I think we have some of the organization when you made the presentation to me here, that

[2:51:02] There are some way that we can make sure we do some of it.

[2:51:07] But that being said, and Russ was on board when I was here back in 2009 and 10, which

[2:51:18] is part of this when we're talking about the state of holding $200,000 that they had promised

[2:51:23] to us and we had a big thing here or the big check.

[2:51:26] The state withheld funds from us for their budget back then during the recession area at the time.

[2:51:35] They have a big situation here with a big deficit, so at the mercy of the state.

[2:51:43] So when we're talking about them with holding that $200, they've already done that to the schools.

[2:51:49] They could be doing that again to us coming up in the coming parts,

[2:51:54] And at least we won't know until May or June

[2:51:57] if they plan on doing that, because we get too,

[2:52:01] we get too installments early.

[2:52:03] When you write your check for your property taxes

[2:52:05] and the says Calibur is County Treasurer,

[2:52:08] all that money goes directly to the state

[2:52:10] and then they send money back to us in June and December.

[2:52:15] So we're not gonna, no, I'm just bringing it up sir,

[2:52:17] but he's aware that the very good possibility

[2:52:19] that the state could be withholding money from us,

[2:52:22] which we would have to use our reserves like we did then in order to meet all of our budget needs.

[2:52:32] Not to put any damper on this because I'm 100% behind this 100%.

[2:52:37] And I just would like to know what the stage is going to do so we can move forward planning on it

[2:52:47] and maybe find some money out, some ideas,

[2:52:50] and that's some ideas, once we can move forward here

[2:52:53] and do a direction to staff, to at least go out

[2:52:55] and get the drawings done on this,

[2:52:58] so then we can have a hard handle on exactly

[2:53:00] what the cost we're going to be.

[2:53:03] I think that's what we should do,

[2:53:04] and I think we should have designed drawings done

[2:53:07] for the entire project, not just phase one.

[2:53:10] I'm in favor of trying to get as much of this done

[2:53:13] at one time I agree with you.

[2:53:15] It's only going to get more expensive later on, it may, and what he's estimated at 10 million

[2:53:23] now could be 14 million if we try and go back and with the cost of everything going up.

[2:53:30] But I would like to at least propose the staff to go out with the money we have right now on

[2:53:37] hand for this project to get those drawings done so we can have a better idea of look at exactly

[2:53:42] whoever up against it to get it finalized.

[2:53:46] Sure, stop.

[2:53:47] Just around that.

[2:53:49] I concur with Mr. Tauffinelli.

[2:53:51] I would like the design.

[2:53:54] Because that doesn't tell us what's exactly to look for.

[2:53:58] And then it's another step forward towards, you know,

[2:54:03] realization of the project.

[2:54:05] That said, that and the final thing with

[2:54:12] 24 to 25 fiscal budget and finding out what the state's actually doing because that's

[2:54:18] reality.

[2:54:19] We all see the need, the reality of it, it goes down on the bottom line and we do the

[2:54:25] budget.

[2:54:27] So we have the money now for the drawings, let's get it done and then move on to the next

[2:54:32] space.

[2:54:33] Thank you.

[2:54:33] See how much we can get done.

[2:54:35] Thank you.

[2:54:36] You know, I have to make, you know, we put this for a million dollars towards it and let's

[2:54:40] And clearly, these are $4,000, $4,000 we could use on anything in the county.

[2:54:44] We could put on parks, we could put in roads, we could put it in libraries, we chose

[2:54:48] to put $4,000, $4,000, which is probably our largest capital, I guess, aside from the DA's building.

[2:54:56] Certainly, my tenure on this board, I never in my wildest dreams thought that $4,000,000

[2:55:01] would not be enough money to do that.

[2:55:04] Obviously, it shows my knife on what these things actually cost.

[2:55:09] But it is neither here nor that.

[2:55:12] My job is to get some staff interaction.

[2:55:15] So I hear two things here.

[2:55:17] One is, let's figure out the budget and to accept the second one is, let's

[2:55:23] direct staff to move to phase two of documents and start developing that.

[2:55:31] Is that something like the two options that we're talking about?

[2:55:33] Board members?

[2:55:35] Yeah.

[2:55:36] We've got that all at the same time.

[2:55:37] Now, one is a whole get more financial information.

[2:55:42] One is move forward towards construction,

[2:55:45] to spend more money on this towards construction documents.

[2:55:49] Theresa, am I doing this correctly?

[2:55:51] I know what you need.

[2:55:54] So, quite frankly, both of those things should be discussed.

[2:55:58] If you want us to move forward with construction documents

[2:56:02] as Supervisor Toffinelli has indicated

[2:56:04] that we'd probably help us nail the budget down even more.

[2:56:09] However, we still are in a very uncertain budgetary time with the state's budget.

[2:56:15] I think a number of members have brought up their concern over what could happen with state funding

[2:56:21] that normally would come to the county and we don't know exactly where we're at with that right now.

[2:56:27] But we certainly would move forward with the construction documents and then also look at how we fund the different phases of the building.

[2:56:41] I totally agree with the public.

[2:56:43] The best option would be to build the entire thing at one time.

[2:56:46] I'm just not sure that the county is going to have the capacity to do that in the immediate future.

[2:56:52] We're trying to get something for the dogs as quickly as possible because we do realize that's our greatest need.

[2:57:00] If I could ask you a question, what is the, you know, we've got $4 million.

[2:57:05] Is there nothing we can do with her existing? Is there nothing we can get done with this $4 million?

[2:57:10] Because I'm very concerned that as my fellow board members appointed out, we've got $4 million.

[2:57:15] We don't have more money. If we want to get something done, that's kind of what we've got.

[2:57:21] Chair, could I jump in interesting because that was a question that I was going to ask is number one is what happens to administration and focus if the dog's phase one goes into that area where do they get relocated and how does that work if we're not able to do phase two and three for one time?

[2:57:36] But also what I want to ask is if 4 million is all we're ever going to get?

[2:57:40] Why don't we just demo what we have as the dogs right now and build the dog what we can for 4 million dollars in that section?

[2:57:49] So, maybe they ask me your second question first.

[2:57:52] One of the reasons why we're looking at putting the dogs kind of where the focus and

[2:57:56] administration is, is because those two structures are movable.

[2:58:00] They're modular, they can be easily relocated.

[2:58:02] If we take down the existing dogs, then we have to find a place to put the dogs

[2:58:07] before that, basically, you're during construction.

[2:58:10] And that's a more expensive undertaking, because we have to meet some certain standards of care

[2:58:15] and you have staff moving back and forth.

[2:58:17] We have to be able to get food to them.

[2:58:19] We have to be able to clean them.

[2:58:20] And so that's the more expensive location

[2:58:22] if we put them right there.

[2:58:24] And then the other part is looking long-term mashup line.

[2:58:27] So even though we may not be able to do phase 1A

[2:58:30] or what have you, I want to be able to set it up

[2:58:33] before the future.

[2:58:34] If five years, 10 years down the road,

[2:58:35] you do get a windfall, and we're able to do it.

[2:58:38] We're not having to go back and reinvent the wheel.

[2:58:40] If you're having a windfall, you had something.

[2:58:43] Yeah, well, I think there's things we can do with that four million dollars to go forward with it.

[2:58:48] If I think we need to draw in first and then we can set the paths for everything and get it all great and get it all done.

[2:58:55] With part of that money and maybe do the sub-selection part of it running the plumbing out there and water out there whenever we need.

[2:59:04] That could be part of it, but I think the first phase we need is to draw in.

[2:59:08] So we're going to look at what it is and we can get the cost estimate off that to do whatever we want to do.

[2:59:14] And find out exactly what we can do with that.

[2:59:19] That's the first thing we need to do.

[2:59:22] To rest, Scott.

[2:59:25] Again, I concur with Mr. Topanelli.

[2:59:29] And, you know, hearing trees correctly and kind of what I tried to iterate before.

[2:59:34] Drawings done, that way we can work into the phase of budgetary issues and how we're going to navigate through that.

[2:59:42] And I do like what Mr. Hubbard did say is, what can we get done with that 4 million?

[2:59:48] Because we can realize that now.

[2:59:52] And what's the cost on those drawings?

[2:59:55] So in the budget that I put together, we do have an overall cost for...

[3:00:00] And I'll just want to say. Yeah, I'd like to hear. I'd like to get my advice for the entire. Yeah. If I were to look for the entire phase one, build out. That does not include a medical clinic, and to maybe answer a question that was kind of brought up during the public comment. The portion to the right would be a future medical clinic. So, state mandates you to chip into newterannels before they go out into the public. Currently, the county contracts for that. We're not necessarily suggesting at this point that the county

[3:00:29] build the facility but if in the future we have a spot for it and so that's what that space

[3:00:34] on the right hand side covers. For the 10 million dollar project that's the full phase one build

[3:00:39] out. We have an estimate here for design fees of roughly around just under $800,000. Our current

[3:00:47] contract and we have a current contract now for the programming conceptual design we have not

[3:00:54] encumbered the entirety of that contract and so there is some savings coming back from that as well.

[3:01:00] Well, that's nice for wants to hear about the engineer.

[3:01:05] Thank you.

[3:01:06] We might commit to another, yes.

[3:01:09] We don't owe you too much.

[3:01:09] I would say we'd ask you, but it's six hundred thousand.

[3:01:14] And one thing I might add to me,

[3:01:16] we talked a little bit about the rope shelter,

[3:01:18] and to get costing.

[3:01:19] So for the rope shelter, that was actually done in a similar way

[3:01:22] that you as a discussion right now,

[3:01:25] where we did the drawings for the entire facility,

[3:01:27] but did good alternates.

[3:01:28] And so we had to cost for a base bed, which was a much smaller than they actually built,

[3:01:34] but then also added of alternates.

[3:01:36] So the city council at the time could see what each portion of that project would cost.

[3:01:42] Ultimately, they decided to build out the whole thing at the time,

[3:01:44] but it was the drawings were parceled out so that it could be partitioned out, if you will, from the cost standpoint.

[3:01:50] I think that's what we're asking for right now.

[3:01:53] At least a few of us.

[3:01:54] So that's something I could agree for for direction overall, if as one.

[3:02:02] We've got a, you know, my position is I'm very hesitant to spend $800,000 on a plan that I have a hard time seeing as a accomplish.

[3:02:11] I think about, you know, the wrong stones you can't always give them, you might get what you need.

[3:02:16] I really like to take another look at this.

[3:02:18] after we could get what we need for four million bucks because I'm concerned, we're spending

[3:02:22] $800,000 on a plan that we're going to put on a shelf and wait for a month from heaven

[3:02:28] someday.

[3:02:29] I was sitting by a brought their checkbook in the room, we've got quite a deficit ahead of us.

[3:02:34] So, and I hear two guys talk to know, he says about the risks.

[3:02:38] So, my job is to build a consensus amongst this board.

[3:02:42] My position is, I'd rather send it back and re-sharp and that concern for you out something

[3:02:47] We can do.

[3:02:48] I'm hearing what you guys are talking about in Supervisor Stopper, which is to move ahead

[3:02:53] with planning documents.

[3:02:56] So it's not a vote.

[3:02:57] So it's just kind of go down the road and tell me where I think I understand your position

[3:03:02] correctly.

[3:03:02] Supervisor Stopper?

[3:03:03] I think that's horizontal.

[3:03:07] That's perfect.

[3:03:07] There you go.

[3:03:09] Supervisor Stopper.

[3:03:12] Supervisor Flander.

[3:03:14] You're with him as well.

[3:03:15] Supervisor Hebry.

[3:03:16] Yeah.

[3:03:17] Okay.

[3:03:17] Well, there's consensus, Madam CAO, to move towards construction documents, and come back

[3:03:23] to us with some budget information on how we're going to build, how we're going to, where

[3:03:29] we're coming up with the Delta.

[3:03:32] So, we will bring that back to your board.

[3:03:35] Okay, is there anything else for members?

[3:03:37] Is that direction correct?

[3:03:38] Correct?

[3:03:39] All right.

[3:03:40] Thank you very much.

[3:03:41] And thank you all for coming down to that.

[3:03:42] I know, I mean, this means a great deal to many people in this room, and others than you

[3:03:46] struggling to figure this out, so thank you. And we'll give you a second to clear up for

[3:03:53] we start at the next United.

[3:04:03] You're not to get him after me.

[3:04:04] Thank you.

[3:04:10] Thank you.

[3:04:11] Thank you.

[3:04:12] Good job.

[3:04:14] We've got a good control.

[3:04:17] Good job, ladies.

[3:04:33] Please.

[3:04:34] Good to be.

[3:04:35] Are.

[3:04:36] Where is this?

[3:04:38] All right.

[3:04:39] We're back in the order.

[3:04:41] I have number 19.

[3:04:42] Human resources.

[3:04:45] Item 19.

[3:04:46] Resolution Human Resources.

[3:04:47] Approved.

[3:04:48] resolution, establishing a new non-DOT County Drug Free Workplace Policy Effective, February 23,

[3:04:56] 2020.

[3:04:57] Good morning.

[3:04:59] Chair Garmini and members of the Board, Judy Hawkins Human Resources and Risk Management

[3:05:04] Director.

[3:05:06] I am bringing before you today a new workplace, drug free workplace policy, and this will take

[3:05:13] place of the policy we have rescinded from our ordinance, which will be an effect in 30 days.

[3:05:20] The new policy meets all of the requirements under state and federal laws to have a drug-free

[3:05:27] workplace.

[3:05:29] The new policy lays out better definitions as what that means and so how we achieve the drug-free

[3:05:38] workplace.

[3:05:39] One of the other items that it does lay out is reasonable suspicion testing.

[3:05:45] And so if we are going to have a policy that states you cannot be under the influence

[3:05:51] in the workplace, we have to also have a way to make that happen.

[3:05:55] And so under the reasonable suspicion testing, having this in our policy is not a catch

[3:06:01] all trying to catch somebody doing something wrong.

[3:06:04] It is making sure that all of our employees in the workplace is not under the influence and are being able to do their job, which is also fair for those around them.

[3:06:16] With this reasonable suspicion testing, we are making sure that our managers and supervisors, anybody that manages staff, has the appropriate training, which is a training specific to alcohol, the science of being under the influence

[3:06:34] of alcohol and then also being under the influence of drugs, both legal and illegal.

[3:06:41] The new policy also lays out state requirements, SB 2188, which means we will not discriminate

[3:06:49] against off-duty cannabis use.

[3:06:53] And so we do not, for example, our law enforcement and the long-glass questions regarding

[3:06:58] past cannabis use.

[3:07:00] And so we are not discriminating against any off duty, but we are ensuring that employees are not impaired on duty.

[3:07:09] And so I would be happy to answer any questions regarding our new policy.

[3:07:14] Questions from the Board?

[3:07:15] It's a pleasure to clarify, though.

[3:07:17] The off duty did not, when you say in the federal legislation, anyone that has to hold a DOT, this license.

[3:07:25] I just want to make it clear out that it had county employee.

[3:07:28] if you've got a whole BOT license that you still can.

[3:07:34] Correct. And this policy specifically states those that it covers is those that are not under the

[3:07:41] DOT policy, which under federal law, Canada is still considered an illegal substance.

[3:07:50] And so this is strictly for those that do not fall under DOT policies which is a separate policy.

[3:07:57] And to clarify that even further, alcohol's not under is not a illegal substance, but it's

[3:08:07] still if you're drunk, you know, or test positive for that at the time, you violate

[3:08:13] DOT also, but the question when it comes to cannabis is the timing of testing and whether

[3:08:20] they can prove that some of these on it or not, or if they properly smoked it during their

[3:08:28] So there is, you know, the science is still developing as far as testing on the residual

[3:08:36] distribution side.

[3:08:37] And so one of the things with cannabis is that there is psychoactive metabolites and non-psycho

[3:08:45] active metabolites.

[3:08:47] And there is a saliva test that has been perfected in Australia, which they are beginning

[3:08:55] to use in the U.S., which detects the psychoactive metabolites from THC, which means most likely

[3:09:04] you are impaired at that time, but it's not just the testing.

[3:09:08] It's also the reasonable suspicion is what is really important.

[3:09:13] If somebody is acting in a manner that is not normal for them, they're falling asleep at

[3:09:20] desk, they're doing things that is just very outside of what they would normally do.

[3:09:26] This is also why we require a manager or supervisor to say, yes, they are acting in

[3:09:32] these manner, they give us the list of why they feel they're impaired, and then we will

[3:09:39] call in for the testing.

[3:09:40] H.R. also confirms that the employee is meeting the standard that requires reason to

[3:09:48] especially. So it's not, when we will workly reach closer with the CIA and other bargaining units

[3:09:56] over this policy, and one of the concerns is that you may get a manager or supervisor

[3:10:00] who's picking or targeting an employee. And so I have staff that is also trained, they will sit down,

[3:10:08] go through the list of reasons why the fullest person is impaired and also confirmed that there

[3:10:15] is solid reasons to call for the testing.

[3:10:19] The person's place on pay to administrative leave,

[3:10:22] they're not, this is not a policy that we're trying to terminate.

[3:10:26] People, we're trying to make sure that we have a healthy workforce

[3:10:30] and that we're also helping people get the assistance that they need.

[3:10:35] And of course, this is a case by case, depending on,

[3:10:38] you know, if we have somebody under the influence of alcohol driving

[3:10:42] small children around that is egregious and so it is a case my case basis.

[3:10:48] Thank you.

[3:10:49] Your answer part of was involved with all the unions and associations moving forward

[3:10:55] of already worked this out and are agreeable to this.

[3:11:00] And also this is pretty much cut and dry from my viewpoint.

[3:11:04] It's updating something that we have had on the books for quite some time once again

[3:11:08] And it's bringing it up to date, so I appreciate the work and I see it pre-cut and dry when it comes down to it.

[3:11:16] Yes, and I do want to point out that, so a law enforcement, those that are under DSA and our probation officers,

[3:11:25] I fall under a different policy and a district in our policy, their policy is a little bit stricter.

[3:11:32] It also outlines like, you know, undercover work and things like that with law enforcement.

[3:11:39] So there is a little bit different.

[3:11:42] I will tell you the policies are also being updated regarding, after the cannabis use,

[3:11:47] post has confirmed that that is being done.

[3:11:52] I just wanted to say that I had no idea that we were so out of date until I read the new one.

[3:11:59] Let me ask you about CBD people that take it for pain relief and or to sleep.

[3:12:04] How does that?

[3:12:05] I mean that wouldn't affect your daily.

[3:12:07] So CBD is not.

[3:12:10] So it also depends.

[3:12:13] And one of the things that people need to be very aware of.

[3:12:17] And I will say that the unions and I came to an agreement several months ago,

[3:12:23] but we've been doing a lot of research to make sure we could back up what we are telling you.

[3:12:28] But a lot of TBD is not lab confirmed, the level of THC in it, because I know that there

[3:12:39] sound that will order it off of Amazon, and it says, you know, no THC, but they're, you

[3:12:46] know, they're have in cases where, and we actually have had that happen here.

[3:12:53] We had somebody under DOT test positive for cannabis,

[3:12:58] but they're like, I've never touched cannabis.

[3:13:00] And in researching it, it came down to a CBD

[3:13:03] that he was using a third-note THC,

[3:13:06] but it's still how THC in it.

[3:13:07] And this is where we work with the employee.

[3:13:10] We don't, it's not a case of we're trying to,

[3:13:12] it's, I gotcha, now we're gonna terminate you.

[3:13:15] We do investigate, like in this case,

[3:13:18] and then the person actually did just,

[3:13:21] of use program, which they defend

[3:13:24] tastic with and there's never been another issue.

[3:13:28] So I think that's where it's just making sure,

[3:13:31] and we are when we are educating our employees,

[3:13:34] we're educating our managers and supervisors.

[3:13:37] Thank you, Chair.

[3:13:39] You have any questions from the board?

[3:13:42] Public comment on this item.

[3:13:43] This is an action item.

[3:13:45] Can you public comment online?

[3:13:47] There are no online public requests.

[3:13:49] Let's see none in the room. I'll bring it back for a motion or

[3:13:54] So moved second

[3:13:55] I should rise the stoppers. I can buy super. I should talk for nothing. All in favor. All right, I post past this five zero. Thank you. Thank you

[3:14:08] All right, supervisor announcements

[3:14:10] Board members to make brief reports and in meetings attended at the expense of local agency or make other announcements or report out

[3:14:18] So as a top knowledge you want to start

[3:14:21] All right, they're also as a stopper

[3:14:26] That's in your report.

[3:14:28] So you're going to have your power on board?

[3:14:32] Update and the new acting district time for couch news is Grace.

[3:14:39] I'm going to.

[3:14:40] But this.

[3:14:42] I say that.

[3:14:43] Yes.

[3:14:44] Thank you.

[3:14:46] She's been with us for a long time.

[3:14:48] She's always been a staffer.

[3:14:51] But that's exciting.

[3:14:53] So congratulations in two days.

[3:14:54] And then I decided on the best of the board members, no, that's February 8th, we were at BC.

[3:15:00] We have another meeting in Pualani County at the OES office with producers related to the structure

[3:15:10] of what the started processing would look like. So we've had a number of meetings in the

[3:15:18] fall, and now this is kind of to bring all those individual meetings into one big meeting with

[3:15:24] everyone in the room to really put what the producers want to see, and to provide a half

[3:15:31] of Swami County will be hosting and moderating, and then we have Brian and Tuice from

[3:15:38] the U.C. Accenture attending, and Flavie, although she is now with A to the state, she

[3:15:45] will be attending via Zoom to help with the transition to the new U.C. members of staff.

[3:15:53] Thank you.

[3:15:56] Thank you.

[3:15:58] Thank you.

[3:15:58] Thank you, Chair.

[3:15:59] On the 11th, I attended the agency on aging board meeting, and on 22nd the CSCSA meeting.

[3:16:06] Both organizations are healthy and doing very well, nothing to report there.

[3:16:10] I just wanted to give a shout out to public works administration and the CMCA for helping

[3:16:17] to get burned by these done.

[3:16:18] It looks like we'll be able to get that contract signed this week.

[3:16:21] Thank you.

[3:16:23] And since I'm next in line, I'm going to come back to Gary, the attendor CRC last week,

[3:16:29] there's a re-elected as chair of Golden State Connect Authority, which I hope to break around

[3:16:34] this year and get that moving forward, so I'll get to wrap that up.

[3:16:37] And I also joined the subcommittee which would be an interest to this group for what we're

[3:16:41] calling Williams and Act 2.0.

[3:16:44] So, the 40 wheel counties sit down, talk about the Williams and Act with Department of

[3:16:52] And hopefully get some of the submission funds back to the county as well.

[3:16:58] Thank you.

[3:17:01] Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[3:17:02] And congratulations to Supervisor Hovergy for being an elected chair for the central

[3:17:07] Speaker of Child Protection Agency.

[3:17:08] Do you go?

[3:17:11] I want to talk a little bit about our general plan and one of the elements that are recently adopted plan.

[3:17:21] And we, as a county, have an ordinance in place protecting historical buildings and lands.

[3:17:27] And it's currently being worked on, but like the state points out, that it takes a long

[3:17:34] time in order to give something out and when they do finish it, it has to go to the

[3:17:41] finding commission first and they have to go through it and make their comments before

[3:17:45] it eventually comes to us.

[3:17:47] And there's some things going on that I think maybe we should look at having staff, prepare an urgency ordinance for us,

[3:17:59] that addresses this issue with our historical buildings in lands.

[3:18:07] It's not unprecedented.

[3:18:09] There's a number of counties in cities within the state that have emergency ordinances in place

[3:18:15] or have them in place prior to adopting their ordinances permanent ordinances.

[3:18:21] Palo Alto is one who is done to each is one, Tahoe Sierra Preservation Council, Davis,

[3:18:29] Pasadena, the city of Maywood, and we'll have these types of documents in place because

[3:18:35] of the length of time it takes in order to get a permanent ordinance in place that fist and

[3:18:42] of the county or the city that it's having it done for.

[3:18:48] So I would like to ask if we can have a staff put together an urgency or addressing that

[3:19:02] and get it in place while the new one or the one, the permanent one by planning it has

[3:19:07] in taking care.

[3:19:10] Thank you.

[3:19:12] I can just ask how long can the fund can we just do the ordinance?

[3:19:16] And have we already started gearing up?

[3:19:21] The permanent ordinance?

[3:19:22] Right.

[3:19:23] I mean, I didn't stand with Gary saying on the start of step to get going.

[3:19:26] And I support that, too.

[3:19:28] Can we just do anything to the whole thing?

[3:19:30] We can.

[3:19:31] But I mean, I think supervisors are talking all these right in terms of a time frame

[3:19:34] and given the zoning code update that's being worked on right now.

[3:19:38] some of the other ordinances coming out of planning realistically. I don't think that's going to happen, you know, right away.

[3:19:47] Okay, so what I'm seeking is consensus on the board to direct staff to bring back a urgency ordinance or start preservation.

[3:19:56] I promise to look at and have a conversation about.

[3:19:59] Okay, let's have everybody to read a stopper.

[3:20:02] I think I have a discussion on the topic itself,

[3:20:04] just just directly.

[3:20:05] No, it's a no, it's a no, it's a clarify my point for direction.

[3:20:11] We'll just hold up any other parts as we move forward

[3:20:15] when it comes to implementation.

[3:20:20] So I don't know, you mean,

[3:20:21] so planning only has so many hands to work.

[3:20:23] Oh, I think, and I don't, you know, hopefully my staff will be

[3:20:28] counting if I say this, but I think we could get an urgency

[3:20:30] The ordinance to the board relatively quickly, without him stringing other projects.

[3:20:38] I believe that it would not affect those.

[3:20:42] Yeah.

[3:20:42] Very good.

[3:20:43] I can support that.

[3:20:44] I'd like to follow your thing.

[3:20:46] We've already had a agreement on the hardwood.

[3:20:49] We should be seeing that.

[3:20:51] We already did that discussion.

[3:20:52] I just gave direction to staff.

[3:20:53] It should be in front of us.

[3:20:55] Yeah.

[3:20:55] And I think that there's just a couple of last pieces that still,

[3:20:58] that weren't part of it, need to get drafted, but yes, I believe it's on the way in the pipeline.

[3:21:05] There's a good with that one.

[3:21:08] So you've got directions that we've got. I think there's concerns here to bring back the urgency

[3:21:11] artists is carried, put forward. And it sounded like there's also a desire to see that hardly back in front of us.

[3:21:19] As soon as we can.

[3:21:20] We will bring this forward.

[3:21:23] Okay, so guys, tough and always that we can.

[3:21:25] That's all I have. Thank you.

[3:21:27] I'm seeing anything else in the room, Madam Clerk, anything else for free heading?

[3:21:33] I don't believe so.

[3:21:34] Madam CEO.

[3:21:37] Anything for me?

[3:21:38] I'm council.

[3:21:39] Very well.

[3:21:40] This meeting stands a turn.

[3:21:45] Good morning.

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