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[0:14] council hearing on the war to the pub the final mission public hearing a

[0:35] regular session agenda for december 6 2016 robot burger okay here screw

[0:43] barracks Graham here let the record show the Commissioner gospel perspective is

[0:51] no mention sir first order business this commentary combination

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[1:58] just let's talk about do you think my name is Joan general appearance picture

[2:08] off that porch as well Bruce and our son Joe just going to preach here's like to

[2:16] just if you might comment on accessory dwelling units look like you look at

[2:24] your watch in the mirror behind there is always up a lot so space is not a

[2:29] problem the building will match the prevailing style and character of our

[2:33] home we are going to have a small efficiency apartment on the top of the

[2:39] garage for our son Joe and live the apartment would be very modest with

[2:44] shower and toilet and bathroom and a microwave and a small refrigerator

[2:50] Russia 20 yrs intellectually disabled his birth mother abused alcohol

[2:56] resulting in his disability maybe you know Joe his work at college pub for one

[3:02] year and now he works at those the Christian school and campus furniture

[3:07] he's active in our community she's great guy and we're hoping to provide a bit

[3:12] more independence by allowing you to live on our property yet having is

[3:17] unsafe I am hoping the issue accessory dwelling units would be approved on

[3:23] case-by-case basis and that there would be a possibility for us to move forward

[3:27] with our plans to give our son a small space about our proposed rock

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[5:42] probably for mr. Singh's foundational liberty and justice for all we've had a

[6:05] request from one of the participants to shuffle the agenda since we haven't

[6:13] worked public comment

[6:31] yes sir having issues with blue business in front of old business yeah okay we

[6:56] have a motion to so second second home favor I hey ho right new business sir

[7:08] again applications for conditional use permit and second floor residential

[7:13] building sorry you have to do percent

[7:21] with your approval of the agenda format you can weather is minutes and reports

[7:26] for observer reports I to answer the standard for less any questions

[7:33] marketing mom do we have any corrections in this motion to accept a minute sitter

[7:40] so Luke second phone favorite be both so Carrie now I'm your business right

[7:55] you walk us through the enemy's general we've received an application for

[7:59] conditional use for residential above commercial Kellogg building and I am

[8:06] verifying that street address the applicant as three things street I've

[8:12] also seen one big street so I will get that straight looking forward to a

[8:18] public hearing notice and then you to rejoin the tag number isn't ever going

[8:27] to tell us where it is right it's a rather than straightforward application

[8:31] at this point downstairs is proposed to be commercial which is like rightness in

[8:37] the commercial to history right and just by the way one correction it's not

[8:42] similar language for conditional use residential with the c1 it's identical

[8:47] language so the same provisions for conditional use under open to see one

[8:54] district residential commercial a plastic converted to district the

[9:00] application isn't born for the person for to set up your gate of these that

[9:06] stays there is the basic difference c1 and c2 larger Lots it's the exact same

[9:12] uses the seam to incorporate soul to see one uses and the condition deuces at the

[9:19] same as well so the only difference is believe it or not foresee to district

[9:27] minimum lot of 6,000 square feet which is larger than C

[9:44] do I have a motion to accept the conditional use is written along with

[9:52] any adjustments necessary outlined by the fire

[10:02] you want a motion yes yes second phone favor alright continue boat so Carrie no

[10:15] problem Oh business

[10:27] yeah there's a sale on the line I'm just this application for doing what you do

[10:50] and what's more the publication from our very far to the game idea okay this man

[11:01] oh thank you but that kind of stuffy in here so it'll be in the agenda

[11:31] the joint session our way back to organize amendments to the town of Cape

[11:42] Charles comprehensive plan of dr. january-june 11 2009 I thought over this

[11:48] and over this is known as we're talking about town council is interested in

[11:54] amending detail council priority section to remove the text that's there and to

[12:01] insert the text from their self generated priority list from the town

[12:08] council priority set a goal setting session that they will have on Saturdays

[12:14] we talked about okay yeah so only need to do is make a hold on a new model is

[12:20] an awesome delhi to provide the text but then okay everybody the Planning

[12:26] Commission you are correct or that's looking neat that is what you need to do

[12:29] to remove the language they are which is that succession of bullet points right

[12:37] to amend that that language to be struck tend to be replaced with the priorities

[12:44] set by the town path they are December can't do I have a

[12:53] motion oh not a second oh there I any opposed right sadly this is I think this

[13:19] is a game that was this this is the document review where we're going to go

[13:30] through and identify which you just say and which he did the updated correct

[13:37] that was again a recommendation from downtown salt no Sammy start from some

[13:42] image of some of the documents videos for preparation of the company to plank

[13:48] so the oldest one on that list 1996 preservation plan the staff report gets

[13:56] into some of the values still the perspiration plan but also the

[14:02] preparation for two dates for district ordinance total awareness and also

[14:09] predates the historic district design advice so some of those means a very

[14:15] good narrative of life on tonight six it's a particularly forward-looking

[14:19] I from there I would have asked you to give us a recommendation of your changes

[14:26] should be made we have a discussion document we restore the concern from

[14:30] scratch I my regulations this whole document should be archived okay archive

[14:37] ok I'm going to do a preservation plan pretty much start from scratch for a

[14:44] preservation plan because this preservation plan still talks about a

[14:48] whole range of issues that are no longer practice again that's absolutely fair ok

[14:54] so there's something this time there's some narrative Valley can you come up

[14:57] with a high level series of objectives as you want to see in the new

[15:10] preservation plan that I'm going to a cadet here any other interpretations I

[15:16] think this document did a good job of subtleties that right

[15:19] patience okay what we haven't done in years astronomers recommendations as a

[15:25] checklist to see specifically luggage as we have done okay the things that

[15:30] happened obviously don't mean to be dressed again right to sing haven't done

[15:34] should be assessed as to whether they are still 20 years later priorities yep

[15:40] that's where I would start with a preservation plan okay and perhaps get

[15:46] away from something area because we know that the town was it is the housing

[15:50] stock was decided to control the district yeah this was a different your

[15:54] deal how can we know for sure if that is two conditions pleasure as an approach

[16:05] I'll begin to gather that information okay get the recognition is that some of

[16:13] the regulations and just check them against whispers that's actually happen

[16:16] and bring that back and I can't say no work there it could give me 90 days

[16:26] ok I would like 90 days maybe 60 over 60 good we don't know nobody else is here

[16:34] hammering us we're not going to have you

[16:39] think is a very it's a legitimate point that was born Olivia yes I'm sorry

[16:47] because if it's long enough that particular section a little moment to it

[16:51] yes yeah yeah okay we need to do anything else on this blessing

[16:58] interesting 20 mr. clocks are ticking for another review of our car it's as

[17:05] soon as it's adapte right well it will be as soon as bigger than wrecked

[17:15] everything nice and neat package council passes you might think about starting

[17:20] this was three years old about you usually yet expired okay so the value of

[17:32] these for occasion preservation operating principle now need to wear the

[17:41] reinforcement over with whistle

[17:53] make sure there's no doubt of the importance of that historic aspects

[18:01] we're on the Saturday night after that filming all guys can was talking about

[18:07] how important that is how rare that is kind of special that is but I imagine we

[18:14] don't believe that operated need any bolstered a survey preservation plan

[18:23] some of the historic district holy ordinance hasn't been looked at the

[18:30] Commission's interest or pleasure and concerning bring that along as well and

[18:34] dream us mr. review with the city that required a text amendments already

[18:41] updating earth in tax efficient because it has ended up dating a lot last time I

[18:47] think this delivery was when they were started going through with the

[18:50] commercial property was bad at that town now before i go over four years ago I

[19:00] want to sleep I don't question and address the coding you included the

[19:07] internet talk it up certain on himself had to be in the comprehensive point now

[19:12] say specifically some of the maps and stuff we covered with a more powerful

[19:20] well if we will never adopted his own neck too

[19:26] recognized especially something different the districts are an app that

[19:34] was included toppling with some of the parcels of a long directory we better

[19:38] stop right right right right for the district's the districts are accurate is

[19:45] it an interesting extending the historic that means here the learner the grain

[19:55] truck parts or resources was to update the server that grant will expire

[20:01] natural then next fiscal year will be another grand inform it doubly favorable

[20:11] foods is affixed to a network which would be historical no strikes everyone

[20:21] is that the Rosenwald school was out of food

[20:27] it's not for people to the district but its historical so thank you so the only

[20:34] thing that town council now is concerned about is the really the priority

[20:43] straight line tonight without it it's for the compound which does need work to

[20:48] dr. wait rakesh yeah what revision list of a right but as long as they know that

[21:01] we're working on those I'm sure they mr. did agree on it fit reported to counsel

[21:11] my expectation of the relation with those the capital would you prove a

[21:16] project i hope the capital plan to you the january

[21:23] for this month or fraction of those priorities are get to come should never

[21:30] hear this yeah do we need it okay do we need to take any motion direction on

[21:39] this okay not really the 1996 document can be for lack of a better word archive

[21:48] for now it's the idea that staff brings back gift recommendations for a future

[21:55] update of that document and it's absolutely I wish then we'll miss

[21:59] alleles I think that makes only system that'll close what I would like to do

[22:03] please help educate or 1 comment to understand the process because she's

[22:12] still here she doesn't understand how we work can you help top do you want to

[22:19] close off stuff like this thing is important yes that was where I was

[22:24] headed

[22:29] emotion do think that that okay chi Chi a motion on how to for him to proceed

[22:38] according to what he stated these going to do which is archived way NGS 90 days

[22:43] to preserve us with new one with a reservation would see 20 says yes Oh

[22:51] correct yes I make that much second Oh big family hey I'm sorry opposed no

[23:02] sorry okay that's serious or tomorrow

[23:12] can you help the student you understand the processes yes the comprehensive plan

[23:19] is written includes a recommendation that accessory dwelling units are

[23:27] advisable for the town cape charles the zoning ordinance specifically pretty

[23:35] this dwelling units in accessory buildings so there's a disconnect

[23:40] typically the zoning ordinance and comprehensive plan are in alignment this

[23:45] is one of those points were they part

[23:49] the nectar 2009 country has a plan talk about accessory dwelling units that was

[23:54] as a result of the 2006 study a belief that was around town that assess

[24:01] accessory dwelling in Cape Charles and was favorable for

[24:07] summer so that one in the 2009 plans which is the current plan until council

[24:13] adopts to the one ideally I have a 1515 for this month so the language accessory

[24:19] dwelling units hasn't changed for the town's long-range planning for a period

[24:23] of at least seven years partly water tanners I don't have any funny but I

[24:30] believe was 2010 or 2011 when the council voted it has existed voluminous

[24:37] the CAF town council that's how i've already danced them and there's been no

[24:42] movement forward to the name what to reconcile what planning commission again

[24:49] this extensive three year plus long process of amending the comprehensive

[24:56] plan the issue never came up with something that this not one sweet brick

[25:02] but that this commission was opposed to about a year and half ago was early my

[25:08] finger here middle of the summer 2015 there was the Commission repulsed and

[25:16] the conditions that are rich major proposed in 2006 for accessory dwellings

[25:22] and make some revisions it wouldn't be fight right easily by conditional use so

[25:29] that still doesn't be an application this public hearing plenty condition

[25:34] would recommend to the town council of town council on a case-by-case basis was

[25:38] decided that properties appropriate first condition use the same way which

[25:42] you've been breakfast

[25:45] they were there was room limitations for a square footage others requirement to

[25:52] have separate ordered some connection if i'm not mistaken correct and because you

[25:57] realize can get for impressive water connection particular it wouldn't be a

[26:01] tap off of the house that would be a separate meter and a number of other

[26:09] provisions as far as builders well the party's on that going to get the

[26:17] building code or not that separate entrance so if it's above a garage you

[26:21] can't enter the garage bays and then go upstairs as a separate entrance all the

[26:27] building codes for safety is concerned stairs railing settling so that's that's

[26:33] where that stands if i'm not mistaken in november of last year there was a joint

[26:40] work session between the council and a planning commission where accessory

[26:44] dwelling knew this was one of the items a lot of tourism zone I'm Nessa stated

[26:50] and that preceded no further than at the time so here we are comprehensive plan

[27:01] through this process with the Planning Commission and the language for thee

[27:07] existed Welling units still in there as a preferred option for affordable

[27:13] housing tennis dispenses ominous total prohibition from his own darkness so

[27:20] that would be an amendment to the zoning ordinance to allow accessory dwelling

[27:28] units in accessory accessory buildings that text amendment would require any

[27:36] public hearing two public hearings or ideally adjoint public hearing of the

[27:41] town council recommendation from Planning Commission and action on the

[27:46] town council to amend the zoning ordinance because it isn't the

[27:50] comprehensive plan it's dissolving organs with the prohibitions ordinances

[27:55] lot of planets a plane hit enforce a law but design orders as well stands so

[28:01] that's why we had no assessment wellness in the count each other the other you

[28:07] mentioned before just be very careful as you proceed down you mentioned the word

[28:13] affordable and mentioned separate separate major there's a disconnect

[28:19] right there so be very careful when you look at the numbers is this something

[28:24] you really want to do I know I know your hearts in this but you have a finances

[28:29] to make this happen and that's how my business I'm just saying pay attention

[28:33] to what you sit what is saying someone was on saying and I think it isn't rest

[28:39] the definition of affordable affordable housing young n kinda came to know real

[28:44] conclusion of it you know how the 2009 plane bound up as well yeah so

[28:50] affordable is perhaps an idea or the

[28:57] domain can be changed but some of these things are there for a reason we're

[29:07] going community we try to do the best for chemical we've got we're trying to

[29:11] make sure that one of the things that this this body yes what what is it is

[29:21] inaccessible publix of this passage able to defend each and every decision it

[29:28] submits to counsel we are legally required to follow a very specific

[29:38] process so we can't just willing to leave / running off doing something odd

[29:45] we're in a Dillon state so we're only allowed to do with those things which

[29:48] the state gives us the right to do so it's going with both eyes vitalize I say

[29:56] okay thank you sir really appreciate I hope you have a better understanding

[30:03] that's about

[30:12] so in 2006 report reported acquittal fourth I know we haven't looked at it

[30:18] awhile this is a solid report this takes into consideration the rights of

[30:24] property owners own right attentional attacks especially on traffic yeah we do

[30:31] what we think they sense from safety perspective and we're not trying to be

[30:38] marginal deputies we just want to keep everything safe everybody to live here

[30:42] yeah I think barking was an issue to as I recall right we got stuff do we have

[30:48] to comply with the law street parking requirements and you can also sustain

[30:53] such a lot that you can do okay there there um that's where conditional use

[31:10] becomes can become your friend because but it depends on what you're willing to

[31:19] proffer in in the garden working out both of which what you want versus what

[31:29] the common wats take a lot to stay but I think conditional use goes with the

[31:35] property all set so if you my friend yeah it does yes if you were to move the

[31:41] next person ya later date they would have on it on

[31:47] the generation corporations can sometimes take advantage of a condition

[31:57] used because they can pop for some benefits to the government organization

[32:05] and return for some some conditional groups that they want to see how

[32:09] individual does so much but they don't have such hope you found this yes I'll

[32:44] go if you are so inclined by the date start this review board meeting next

[32:50] Tuesday night and is very building a meeting starts at five to consider the

[32:54] applications but at six of Marcus collar of the consultant from the state of what

[33:01] a frightening song but what the state range will be in this room to talk about

[33:05] the update to the historic district survey and answer any questions about

[33:10] anyone's blood rotation for those of you who are living in

[33:15] historic in historic district if your home is a historic home and you've got

[33:20] some interests or questions about your own particular property bring the

[33:24] documentation talk to Marcus they're trying to get it as accurate assessment

[33:29] of Pete Holmes in historic buildings and historic district as well as possible so

[33:34] I think that's going to be fun and informative anyway for those living in

[33:42] the instructors to make salsa our surgery was making 89 yeah so a few

[33:48] things have changed in the old town between 1985 into 7 30 12 thinks there's

[33:54] no changing yes colors of facades are changing they could be demolished yeah

[34:03] it's just a public event that follows the historic meeting that day for

[34:07] everybody it is the last item on the agenda so what people of course walk

[34:11] into these are five Phil here the regular applications move forward one of

[34:17] those 41 days and a leading commercial improvement to the mobile gas station

[34:24] books which is very quite something when it's when it's done and long bacon and

[34:33] almost a laugh a dated house on King Street under our plum street which is if

[34:39] you go to our world feral cats are in town oh then house is scheduled to be in

[34:45] food is convergys by a student went through now it says 535 535 home across

[34:53] the street from must be visited by some beer another equally necklet is really

[35:01] the right next to this graph yeah those are two applications we've got once

[35:14] that's business is stacked with then mr. pollow's reputation that's why what

[35:21] happened anything else joined a motion to adjourn

[35:26] I make a wish to return home bigger any post-assad I said

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