[1:10] Recording and Progress. Hello, good evening. Welcome to the architectural review board meeting for Thursday, January 29th. Could we have roll call, please?

[1:24] chair of late for here.

[1:26] I share a corner.

[1:30] Board member Johnson.

[1:33] A little.

[1:36] Going to be some of this.

[1:38] Okay.

[1:39] This is the portion of the meeting.

[1:42] We reserve for public comments on matters.

[1:44] Not otherwise on the agenda.

[1:46] If there's any one here this evening with any comments.

[1:49] Not on the agenda tonight.

[1:51] Let us know.

[1:53] Don't see anybody here.

[1:54] Anyone on Zoom? If you like to make a public comment, please raise your hand now.

[2:03] There is

[2:03] not public comment at this time.

[2:06] All right, thank you. Just a housekeeping issue for the board. The Planning Commission is

[2:12] asking us to attend a joint meeting. The two dates given only one of which I can attend,

[2:20] but would everybody be available Monday, March 16th to meet with Planning Commission?

[2:24] Yes, Patrick. Yes. Yes, sir.

[2:30] Sure. Okay. I have a conflict on the third, but if they want to do it without me, I think that.

[2:40] People are available. Well, thanks. Okay. Thank you.

[2:46] Okay, the third of much.

[2:52] Special joint meeting.

[2:56] Did you house the new housing laws?

[3:01] I could be and I understand tonight there is a matter by staff so we're going to bring

[3:09] that to the top of the agenda so we can get that.

[3:13] I'll do the table.

[3:14] Take care of.

[3:22] Thank you.

[3:22] We'll start with this.

[3:24] I want to know if we can.

[3:25] Thank you.

[3:26] I want some.

[3:31] Sounds good.

[3:34] Thank you.

[3:35] You can come set at the table.

[3:36] Okay.

[3:38] Join us at the table and we'll talk about your plan.

[3:44] There we go.

[3:51] Chair Blake Moore, Members of the ARB.

[3:55] This is a matters by staff by the Arbor Mobile Home Park.

[4:00] They have an application for a building permit for a fence replacement along the frontage to

[4:12] 4677 Carpenteria Avenue,

[4:15] we're bringing this forward to get your comments on the proposed

[4:20] fence replacement.

[4:21] We have an example of the fence right behind you, a very robust example it is.

[4:27] And that is the, that's the back of the fence, but I don't think it's heavy and we don't

[4:31] need to rotate it if we, we can, we can be careful, Cindy.

[4:34] It's really heavy.

[4:42] Okay. Thank you. We have an aerial of the site here. John next to the creek. We have a view

[4:56] of the existing fence looking to the south and east.

[5:00] At the entrance to the property, which is a one-way entrance into the property in the fence, comes along here at the creek bridge here.

[5:11] Here's a photo of the existing fences it runs along to this location where there's a one-way exit from the mobile home park between here and then it shows the existing fence and hedge located there.

[5:28] This is a site plan. It's kind of difficult to see, but if you look in your display, you'll end up in the little guide there, you'll see the map.

[5:41] What the purpose of the project is to improve the appearance of the Arbor Mobile Home Park Street,

[5:49] front edge along Carpenteria Avenue and the vehicle sightlines at the park exit.

[5:55] The project will remove the existing chain link and would fence atop the existing

[6:03] stem wall along Carpenteria Avenue.

[6:07] It will install a new Cedar board that is a like for like at 6 to 7 foot heights in sections

[6:18] similar to the example there, and addition, they didn't install a three-foot high black

[6:25] chain length fence that each side of the exit driveway to try to preserve and enhance the

[6:32] vehicle lines of sight for cars coming on the street pedestrians bicycles. There will be two new

[6:41] four-foot-high pedestrian gates next to the exit driveway to provide security and privacy to

[6:47] to the units adjacent to the exit.

[6:52] They will install a new six-foot high Cedar fence

[6:56] to replace the existing chain length fence

[6:58] in front of the existing and to be removed

[7:02] hedge along the western frontage.

[7:05] That will also be done to improve the lines of sight.

[7:10] And then install 24-inch Cedar fence

[7:14] a return segment, extending along Franklin Creek.

[7:19] And that's right at the corner, we'll go back here.

[7:22] Right at the very corner here, and it's difficult to see

[7:26] on this scale, but it's 24 inches to two feet,

[7:32] that just kind of makes that turn.

[7:33] And it replaces like for like the fence that's in that location.

[7:39] This is a proposed defense detail, the front elevation,

[7:49] we have the rear elevation as you

[7:52] saw before it was changed.

[7:55] This is the proposed mounting and the fence example actually has the mountings already attached

[8:00] to it so you can see what those will look like.

[8:04] This is a mock-up of, well, photo of the existing fence and then compared with a photo

[8:17] simulation of the proposed fence to the exit way, and this one shows the existing

[8:31] from Carpentry Avenue, this demonstrates the current visibility triangle issues that are

[8:39] being addressed by the change. And we have the applicant here to discuss. We have Kevin with

[8:52] If there's there, and we have the owners of the mobile home park here, and they can

[9:03] need to go and introduce yourselves.

[9:05] Yeah, hi there.

[9:06] My name is Kevin Hurley.

[9:07] I'm with the lighthouse fence company, and we were brought in to try to help beautify this

[9:13] street front.

[9:15] So, I think the plans and the PDFs kind of sum up what we're trying to do.

[9:20] And I think right now there's two different fences there and getting all of that out of there

[9:25] in replace with a nice clean looking fence will help help it blend in with the rest of the

[9:29] neighborhood that's changing.

[9:33] Anything down?

[9:34] I'm just a property manager.

[9:36] Okay.

[9:37] The line 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10 here, but.

[9:39] Okay.

[9:42] Questions from the board?

[9:45] Questions for staff?

[9:45] How tall is a curb below the fence?

[9:48] And a fence is six, but high is plus the curb height?

[9:50] Correct.

[9:51] Yeah, yeah, that's what the existing fences, the curb ranges from like eight inches to 16 inches as the streets

[10:00] So, the fence will be seven and a half feet high at the high point.

[10:05] The currently at a highest at 17. So, we were going to match that.

[10:10] Thank you. No problem of the city height restrictions on fences against the right-hand property line.

[10:17] And speaking with the director, what we're trying to achieve is a like-for-like change out of the fence.

[10:27] It'll preserve the privacy of those that are living there.

[10:34] It'll, basically, because of that stem wall that's there,

[10:38] it's making the heights a little different,

[10:40] but it also reflects the location of the side walls of the building.

[10:45] So it gives them some privacy.

[10:47] It also blocks views from Carpentry Avenue.

[10:50] So yes, the director is recommending that it be that like for,

[10:55] like with the I'd say they are. Thank you.

[10:59] Any other questions?

[11:01] Yes. Quick one. So the is it light for like on the

[11:03] sidelines when like when the vegetation's removed.

[11:07] Uh, particular one is this will now. No, so the vegetation will be removed

[11:11] and that that that one that your point of view will be opened up and and improved.

[11:16] So I think there's some sort of guideline on sidelines and angle.

[11:20] That is where we're trying to get that as close to the angles as we can to approve a situation that is currently not ideal.

[11:34] The car's driving down the rocks out of the road.

[11:38] So you know.

[11:39] Mr. Grinder?

[11:43] That guy, that guy.

[11:44] I've had too many at Clementines.

[11:48] Board member, little?

[11:49] Yeah, many questions.

[11:49] You mentioned that there will be two fortfoot security gates, but you're not going to have security gates across the vehicle entrance.

[11:59] Correct, there will not be vehicle gates.

[12:01] Their pedestrian gates that are along that fence line for those individual properties, right on the other side of the fence.

[12:06] Yeah, they're set back.

[12:13] Okay.

[12:15] And to clarify, they're not parallel to the fence there.

[12:19] So the units that are there, they provide the gate there.

[12:26] And my one question was the existing hedge to be removed at the the other side of the property.

[12:33] Is that the purpose of that?

[12:35] Not the far and it's really just at the exit.

[12:39] So just open up.

[12:39] Just here.

[12:40] Oh, just here.

[12:41] Okay.

[12:42] Just open up the slide and back to the edge.

[12:45] That's the hedge that would be looking there.

[12:47] this one's kind of this one's pointing right on like this part of the

[12:51] property. So it didn't look like it was corresponding with anywhere where

[12:54] the fence was going. So we've just lost a lot of trees lately and I'm

[12:59] just sensitive to the point here was to take it back about 10 feet just

[13:04] for safety. Just just so you could see getting out that I think that's

[13:07] great. Any other questions?

[13:12] Do we, since this is matters, I

[13:14] do we vote or do we just give you a recommendation? I can remember.

[13:19] Just give us a recommendation.

[13:21] Just give us a recommendation.

[13:22] Okay.

[13:24] Board member Johnson.

[13:25] I'll recommend it for a lots of minutes.

[13:28] Good.

[13:30] I think we're all good with it.

[13:31] Thank you so much for coming in.

[13:33] I appreciate it.

[13:34] I think it'll look really nice.

[13:36] You're in good hands with Kevin too.

[13:40] Okay, getting on to our regular agenda.

[13:43] We're going to move up item number three.

[13:45] Serve cottages kind of Indians to number one because it is going to be continued to the next meeting, correct?

[13:53] To the February 26th we will be seeing serve cottages and condominiums.

[14:01] Megan.

[14:03] Hi, Megan.

[14:05] Okay.

[14:06] And what I neglected to do earlier on for our remaining two projects has there been any expert take

[14:11] communications with the board?

[14:14] No.

[14:16] I've attended the meetings on some four-rate maple, plan of commission and other stuff.

[14:25] All right.

[14:26] Well, we will go ahead and start a seven-four-eight maple.

[14:31] Guys, we're done.

[14:31] What do you want to come on up?

[14:33] This project is here for final review.

[14:37] Take a look.

[14:48] Good evening, Chair Blake.

[14:50] More members of the ARB.

[14:52] Tonight I've got two projects for you.

[14:54] The first one is the Bergesberg Residence Remodel in Edition.

[15:00] It's here tonight for final ARB review. And this is at 748 maple.

[15:07] So the project description, the house has gotten a little bit smaller since the last time it was

[15:11] here due to some of the changes which I'll explain in a minute. But the scope is to construct

[15:17] 1,836 square feet of additions to an existing 997 square foot single family residence for

[15:24] total size of 2,833 square feet. So it's about 100 square feet plus or minus smaller than it was before.

[15:32] The first floor living space would be an additional, an additional 258 square feet, and then a new

[15:39] one car garage would add another 400 square feet to the first floor. And then the second floor addition

[15:45] would comprise 1,178 square feet. The height has not changed. It's still 21 feet and 10 inches

[15:52] Maximum Richite above finished grade. The project includes new landscaping and hard

[15:58] scape. And now post planning commission approval, the driveway entrance and the

[16:04] jackarandestreet tree are going to remain. The conversion of a 287 square foot detached

[16:13] one car garage to storage is in the back building is still part of the project. And as I

[16:19] and it was approved by the Planning Commission on November 3rd 2025.

[16:26] And just a aerial of the site to refresh your memory up here is Maple Avenue and then down here is seven.

[16:33] So it's just one end from the corner of Maple and 7th on the east side of the Maple.

[16:40] And that's a front house back house situation and the front house is the subject of this project.

[16:48] And here's the updated site plan.

[16:51] So on the main house, last time it was here, they wanted to add, have the face of the new garage

[16:59] right here in line with the existing residents, which is also in the front yard setback.

[17:05] And one of the ARB comments was to push that front wall of the new garage back to be in line

[17:12] the set-back line for architectural integrity as well as to reduce the size bulk and scale from

[17:21] the north side. And so that has occurred. Another change is that public works decided that

[17:30] since there's not a sidewalk on either side of this property and the houses along the street are

[17:37] close to the street already that the sidewalk improvements would not be required and then the

[17:43] last thing is the planning commission after a very lengthy discussion decided that the existing

[17:52] driverate apron needed to remain as is and which would also retain the jackaranda street tree that's

[17:59] right here as well. So the driveway has been modified to now be flush with a property line on the

[18:07] here so that a car can come in from the street and then maneuver into the drive and

[18:12] maneuver into the garage here.

[18:18] And the first floor plan, the big change here is

[18:23] just that that wall got moved back for the garage door here, so it would be set back.

[18:31] And although it's a 400 square foot garage, it's still just a one car garage due to the

[18:35] size and configuration, so it's just like a deep wide one car garage.

[18:41] And then the second floor plan, nothing on the exterior change, just this bedroom closet and bathroom here got reconfigured a little bit to make the bedroom a little bigger.

[18:52] But doors and windows everything stayed in the same spot, so it looks the same from the outside.

[18:58] And then here's that detached one car garage that's getting converted to storage.

[19:04] And here's the updated elevations.

[19:06] Um, pretty much everything's the same or the exception of this wall front wall of the garage getting pushed back about five feet, um, and then the second floor balcony, um, you can see here the railing was only about, um, 12 inches now it's going to be, uh, 24 inches the railing.

[19:32] We're the solid wall around the base, so no, it'll meet the code 42 inches.

[19:37] And then the noise elevation here again is that railing on the balcony and then showing how the face of the garage wall is now set back

[19:53] and the east elevation.

[19:55] So the little eyebrow roofs over the garage door and the back door.

[20:00] I've been widened a little bit from how they were originally presented.

[20:07] And then the south elevation is the same. No changes there.

[20:12] And for the colors and materials, the exterior light fixture has been to change to this more contemporary style of light.

[20:21] And then the, the sighting colors have been changed to, the hearty boards, they're proposing paint on the hearty board now.

[20:31] To add more, according to more all of the colors, whereas for more of kind of green sort of colors.

[20:37] So the, the sighting is going to be this pine trail by glidden and then the shingles shakes would be the sage splendor color also by glidden.

[20:52] And for the landscape and hard escape, the plant palette was updated to include more of the recommendations that Amy made.

[21:05] Amy can confirm but this turf area that she had a concern about for the in-wheelo, it looks like that is not changed.

[21:10] So I'll defer to Amy on that when we have our discussion.

[21:14] And then this is the detail for the permeable papers that will be here in front of the

[21:23] dinner and office room here facing the street.

[21:28] And then the plant last was updated with the Lomanda species, but the turf in the backyard

[21:35] is still proposed to be the permuda.

[21:41] So the summary of issues for discussion tonight are the proposed design revisions for architectural

[21:47] style details in the color scheme that proposed landscaping and hard-scaping revisions, including

[21:53] the in-wheelo documentation, the proposed exterior lighting fixture and night sky-friendly

[21:58] compliance and compatibility with the neighborhood and the small beach town character,

[22:03] and that concludes my presentation. Thank you, Cindy. Are there any questions for staff?

[22:13] So we're going to let him get by with that side yard violation and spite of all the work he's doing.

[22:22] What side yard violation do you speak of?

[22:24] The existing structure.

[22:27] Well, yeah, it's a legal, longer-forming and the planning commission approved the conditional use permit to allow the modifications to the.

[22:34] Are you talking about right here this part?

[22:36] Yeah.

[22:37] So, the planning commission approved the modification to allow the structural alterations to this part of the structure.

[22:44] Not demo and reconstruction, just the structural alterations with seismic upgrades and whatnot necessary to the foundation.

[22:52] Oh, they'll only say well to that.

[22:56] If I'm wrong, that assumes that the existing foundation.

[23:00] Well, they can retrofit.

[23:01] They can retrofit the existing and see if it has or lift the house or lift the parts of that house and put a new foundation set it back down again.

[23:08] But if it does end up becoming a demo in rebuild, like the Marquez Project on 7th Street,

[23:14] it will have to go back to the Planning Commission for a change in scope of work from, you know,

[23:21] alterations and structural modifications to the front yard setback to demo in rebuild after the

[23:28] fact demo in rebuild, which is a very lengthy timely process, and it holds construction essentially.

[23:37] Thank you.

[23:39] any other questions for staff?

[23:43] Dylan would you like to add to Cindy's presentation?

[23:47] No, thank you very much Cindy that was fantastic. Can I request answering only easy questions tonight?

[23:54] We'll get right on that. Okay, so I think then do we have questions for the applicant?

[24:02] Um, um, why did change the balcony front right front wall, the, uh, the, uh, the height of the pony wall below the, uh, below the cable rail.

[24:12] Yeah, just to, just for water proofing in that part of the roof, so the, when the roof comes up, was my only, my only thought on that.

[24:23] What the wall was higher before?

[24:25] So I lowered it, yeah.

[24:27] I liked it higher between you and I.

[24:29] Oh, I'm sorry.

[24:31] I lowered it as a request of the owner.

[24:34] They wanted a little more light in that space.

[24:39] I'll go with the second answer.

[24:45] Any other questions for Dylan?

[24:49] No, seeing none.

[24:50] I have a question.

[24:51] I want to tell me about the slight fixture that doesn't

[24:56] seem to have anything to do with the house.

[25:01] Well, the history on the light fixtures is I had a really great light fixture I've been using for the last 10 years and all of a sudden it became a problem.

[25:11] That was selected by the owner as well and I think we're open to discussion on that if needed.

[25:21] Okay, thanks for the information.

[25:25] So bring it back to the board for comments.

[25:28] Who would like to go first tonight?

[25:29] Board Member Johnson would you like to leave us off?

[25:33] Well, I think it's a fine project.

[25:35] I would just comment that I like the higher pony wool on the front balcony.

[25:38] It gives more privacy to the outside and the high-zany

[25:43] the refraff of equipment out there on the balcony to the environment and a community

[25:49] has the only reason for asking for it to be a little bit higher, but if the owners

[25:53] really really are, would try a lot if I said that and they can do it what they'd like

[25:59] to do.

[26:01] Okay.

[26:02] Board member Little?

[26:06] I kind of like the old Dylan Lights,

[26:11] especially given that the style of the house is very

[26:16] B.C. and this particular life just doesn't kind of fit for your other previous

[26:25] lights would fit a lot better. So I vote for going back to the own life

[26:30] lecture. And I would agree with the Richard Suggestion about the

[26:36] the Pony Wall up front. It just looks odd to have part Pony Wall and then the

[26:46] would be better to assist the solid while I'm in front of it.

[26:52] That's the only kind of what's I have.

[26:55] Thank you, Vice-Chirro Connor.

[26:59] Just comments on the things that have changed.

[27:00] I think it's great that this street street is going to stay.

[27:03] A lot of gymnastics around that one, but I think that's a good decision in the end.

[27:08] I am skeptical about existing foundation and the likelihood that this doesn't go back

[27:17] getting different clarifications, so I'm not exactly sure how that's going to unfold.

[27:23] But there's a lot of reliance on that because the ability to build the second floor from

[27:28] the inside is dependent on the fact that that's still there.

[27:32] So I think it's a risky proposition personally.

[27:35] I like the house of the architecture generally, of course.

[27:39] But I just don't like where it is.

[27:40] I think it's too big for a lot.

[27:42] I think not addressing the full lot is still a problem.

[27:45] And I really would encourage you to narrow the driveway on Southern Street and respect to your neighbors.

[27:52] If you look at that driveway, that's just a ridiculous amount of space that's dedicated to that house that is not actually property.

[28:00] I get it that there's apparently a legal agreement that allows it, but there's a difference between what you can do and what you should do.

[28:09] So that really concerns me, and then I also have just a standing issue, you know, that's

[28:16] outside of the bounds of the ARB, but, you know, this was a property that was a single

[28:21] family property at some point, and it became a multifamily property at another point, and

[28:28] there's plenty of cases for you to show that there should be a development plan for the

[28:31] entire property when it changes from single family to multifamily.

[28:34] So that's a contention that I continue to make and I've taken it up with a planning commission.

[28:39] So on the basis of all those things, I just, as I didn't before, I just can't support the project.

[28:45] Despite, you know, the integrity of the architecture and the, you know, addressing the issues.

[28:51] So, likes.

[28:53] Okay.

[28:55] And my comments are, I'm going to keep them to mostly landscape.

[29:00] Thank you so much for saving the tree.

[29:02] I don't know if you've been through monocidal lately,

[29:04] they're just territories left and right,

[29:06] so it's really nice to keep the trees we have,

[29:07] especially in nice old ones.

[29:11] There's the issue with the width of the lawn is not,

[29:15] does not conform to the wheel of standards.

[29:17] You can't irrigate a large stretch of lawn that's less

[29:20] than 10 feet wide and you've got seven feet here.

[29:23] My suggestion would be,

[29:25] I think we need to change it to a walkable ground cover,

[29:28] which I think would be,

[29:29] give you the same use that you're trying to get out of the lawn, and it would have the benefit of needing much less water to keep it looking good.

[29:39] So I can get with Cindy and give you a couple of names. Maybe we could just change it to Coropias,

[29:45] but I'd like to do. I think that's what you recommended last time.

[29:52] Yeah. Yeah. It's just a real low-tight ground cover.

[29:56] It does attract some bees, so if somebody's allergic that might be an issue, but

[30:00] It's nice because you could just walk on it. You don't have to mow it. You water it a lot less, and it's nice and clean. But for we low standards, they will not allow you to, you're not allowed to do anything less than a ten foot sectional on.

[30:14] What's we low?

[30:16] What's we low?

[30:17] What's we low? No.

[30:20] Also, California Poppy's listed on your, and I don't know if I mentioned this last time I can't remember, on your plant list is being three to four feet wide,

[30:29] Which I've never seen a California poppy get that fig. I think that you would be better served. Also, it's an annual

[30:35] So it's just gonna die so better served to use like a gal vz as bestiosa. It would be really good in that application. What is it?

[30:43] Y'all vz as bestiosa

[30:45] And it's a similar call. It's more of a red, but I think you'd get you'd get the same bang for your buck that you're getting with the poppies

[30:52] And it would be your round and you wouldn't have to you know it would look better

[30:58] Thanks for the tree.

[31:00] I think the architecture is nice and looks good.

[31:05] And I think it's actually been a proof project based on

[31:08] the feedback that the board gave.

[31:09] I think it's going to look nice.

[31:11] I concur with Board Member O'Connor's concern

[31:14] about the driveway on the other side.

[31:19] But in general, it's not part of the project

[31:22] we're really looking at right now.

[31:23] But, um, it's okay with a

[31:28] little knowledge in that tree.

[31:34] It's, do you mean that when they install it, are they going to kill the tree?

[31:39] Yeah, they've got, they don't, they don't, they don't pull quite as much.

[31:44] They are pretty shallow, but they don't pull, they're not super strong.

[31:49] I haven't seen them break things, but they are really on the top.

[31:54] um okay are we ready to make a motion oh um if you could add in your comments something

[32:04] about the light fixture oh the content this is on that for clarity light fixture

[32:11] okay either way

[32:17] I do too this is I don't mean to offend anybody but this looks like it

[32:21] should be on a hilton somewhere it doesn't really go with that yeah just to clarify

[32:25] But I think the point about the lights before was that there was a set of projects where there

[32:29] were one, two, three of them all around.

[32:31] So it's not about the light.

[32:32] It's about the concentration of the lights.

[32:35] So I think you're fine.

[32:37] I just, I don't, to be this style doesn't really reflect the style of the home.

[32:42] But I also respect that if the homeowners are happy with this.

[32:46] If this makes them happy when they walk in and see it.

[32:48] Then I guess that's the heart once with the heart once.

[32:52] So who wants to make the motion?

[32:54] I don't make a motion for approval,

[33:00] but the existing light fixture has dropped design.

[33:06] Can you add my landscape comments?

[33:09] And everything else it was said.

[33:12] Is it approval with the, with this, the new light fixture?

[33:18] Yes.

[33:19] Okay.

[33:25] All second that.

[33:28] All in favor?

[33:29] Aye.

[33:30] Aye.

[33:31] All opposed?

[33:35] No.

[33:36] All right.

[33:39] I mentioned a bunch of things.

[33:43] Okay.

[33:44] I need to cite something.

[33:46] I don't think that's required.

[33:50] I think you've expressed yourself.

[33:53] Thank you so much for coming in.

[33:55] Appreciate it.

[33:56] Thank you guys.

[33:57] I do think it's going to be a great improvement in that.

[34:02] All right.

[34:02] Next on the agenda, the Cyprus Apartments of Innovation.

[34:07] This is also here for final review and

[34:19] everybody got the new sheet from Cindy for the landscape

[34:25] lighting.

[34:29] I see we've had the Arctic breeze time at the meeting.

[34:37] It's that one right there and it blows right on your back.

[34:42] That's why that's the real reason I wanted to be chair is so I wouldn't have to sit

[34:46] We're there, our decks to the pole.

[34:48] Please, that's the...

[34:50] I don't know.

[34:54] All right, Cindy, you're going to take us through this one too?

[34:56] Yep.

[34:57] All right.

[34:59] Hello again.

[35:00] And in high page, nice to finally meet you. Okay, so this is the Cyprus Department's renovations at 49565th Street, and it's here for final ARB review.

[35:15] So for the project scope, it's interior and exterior alterations to an existing seven unit apartment building, new roof, new windows and doors, new plaster and paint, new stairways, new balcony railings,

[35:28] And then new landscaping and heart scape.

[35:34] And then here's the street view.

[35:37] Cypress apartments do the gigantic monastery Cypress out front.

[35:41] And then this is a view looking north from fifth street just to remind everybody.

[35:46] And here's the site plan, fifth street's out here at the front of the building.

[35:51] And then off of sixth street at the rear is where the vehicular access is.

[35:58] And that's where the parking is for the apartment building.

[36:05] So there has been a change in the scope of the project since it was here last time.

[36:10] Originally they were going to convert the seven units into nine units.

[36:14] And those two units would have been low income,

[36:17] did restricted affordable units.

[36:19] So the owner has since decided that they did not own a pursue that option.

[36:23] So, they are back to the basically just renovating the existing seven units that are there now.

[36:30] And then also, as a result of that, they are also not converting these three parking spaces in here to the storage units.

[36:42] So, basically, they will remain with the 13 parking spaces, and then it will remain as seven market rate units.

[36:50] And then here's the second floor plan, there were no real changes up here.

[36:57] The big change is, the colors of materials is, I think it was Patrick made the suggestion

[37:04] to go with the Benjamin Moore, I can't read by writing from the distant gray, is that what

[37:12] it is, distant gray, any more distant gray, instead of the other color, so they did change

[37:21] the exterior color to be that color and response to that comment. There are also comments made

[37:27] about the exterior light but they retained that exterior light and then at the meeting the applicant

[37:37] said that they would be providing landscape lighting plan prior to the final ARB review but in the

[37:43] plan there was not one included so when I reached out to page she says oh let me get that for you

[37:48] So hot off the press is the landscape lighting plan

[37:51] that you all see passed out in front of you

[37:54] on the table before tonight's meeting.

[37:56] And then it's basically just low pathway lights here

[38:00] along the two paths back to the parking area.

[38:07] And then here's the exterior fixtures.

[38:08] Again, the one that we saw them in a day

[38:10] go for the exterior sconces.

[38:12] And then this is the new little pole lights

[38:16] or path lights for the walkways

[38:20] for the landscaping, and then nothing has changed. On the landscaping plan, it's still the

[38:26] extensive landscaping in the front, and then the new landscaping along the sides as was proposed earlier.

[38:34] This is a little outdated because it shows those rooms being converted, but this will remain

[38:38] the three parking spaces here for a total of 13 for the seven units.

[38:45] And then the front fincing is still part of the project. This is also not changed,

[38:48] And then here's the detail for that.

[38:53] So the issues for comments tonight,

[38:56] are the proposed exterior colors and materials

[38:58] of proposed final landscaping plan and hard scape

[39:01] and the proposed exterior light fixtures

[39:04] for night sky-friendly compliance.

[39:06] And that concludes my presentation.

[39:09] Thanks, Cindy.

[39:10] Any questions for staff?

[39:12] No.

[39:14] I had one quick question.

[39:16] I drove by today and I know this scaffolding

[39:19] and tiles coming up the roof?

[39:22] They have an open permit right now to do the re-wave.

[39:29] Did you want to add anything to Cindy's presentation?

[39:32] Yeah, let me clarify a couple things.

[39:35] First of all, we brought alternate light fixtures

[39:40] that I wanted to propose today.

[39:42] That was an oversight in our part.

[39:44] And so we have two night sky compliant fixtures that we're willing to integrate.

[39:53] And that was just an oversight.

[39:55] And then also to clarify, with regard to the landscape lighting plan, the walk.

[40:00] House lights. We originally didn't feel we needed a path lights and we did a night visit and walk through and then we realized that we were deficient. And so we created this recently and got it over here as quick as we could. So anyway, we've integrated that.

[40:16] We think it completes the project and addresses all of the comments that the board has.

[40:22] All right, thanks Daryl.

[40:26] Bring it back to the board for comments.

[40:29] Board, remember, little, do you want to go first this time?

[40:36] You can...

[40:36] I don't like this kind of thing.

[40:38] That's all right.

[40:39] I'm sitting down.

[40:41] I'm sitting down.

[40:42] I

[40:53] do too.

[40:54] And it's just not a place.

[40:57] And I'd like to see it in the movie that...

[41:00] I'm sure that's it.

[41:01] And it's perfect.

[41:02] perfect.

[41:02] Pardon me?

[41:03] There's been a doctor who brought his heart first.

[41:05] Yeah.

[41:05] And they're friends.

[41:07] But it just looks odd, I grow and ride into the lower branches of the side.

[41:15] I don't know.

[41:19] Let's keep it planned.

[41:21] I can.

[41:22] And you get in your mic.

[41:23] They can't hear you.

[41:24] Microphone.

[41:25] Microphone.

[41:26] Got it.

[41:27] The landscaping, I think, is a great upgrade for what it is.

[41:33] And the colors of the building with the midnight oil has the trim colors.

[41:40] I really like that as well.

[41:42] So I think it's a great project and I would have liked to see more low-income units, but thankfully understand probably financially why that's

[41:52] the voice removed so other than that I'd like the project.

[41:57] Thank you.

[41:58] Mr. O'Connor.

[41:59] I think it's a great project.

[42:01] I'm sorry to see the other modifications that I have.

[42:04] But it looks really good, you know that property is not quite a gateway, but it's close.

[42:10] There's a lot of traffic around there and the hotel is going to eventually likely be there.

[42:15] So I think it, you know, here's to you for fixing it up.

[42:19] And I trust your judgment on the lights.

[42:21] And I trust her on the landscape.

[42:24] Deaks.

[42:25] All right, board member Johnson.

[42:27] All right.

[42:27] It's fine.

[42:28] And I like the light fixtures.

[42:30] These are better than so we've got three to look at.

[42:33] Basically the one that's on the plane set.

[42:36] There's three available.

[42:37] There's one on the plane set.

[42:38] And then we'd like to order that, so it goes to use these two and mixed batteries as opposed to the one that's included in the place.

[42:50] Do are you good with that?

[42:51] Still like this one.

[42:52] Yeah, these ones are good.

[42:55] Okay, so just so I'm clear because I haven't seen those yet.

[42:58] In my notes that you're going to vote for the two new pictures to be used throughout the building.

[43:03] And not that one.

[43:10] Anything else?

[43:10] No, that's it. Okay. It'll be nice to have it fresh. You have something else and you can probably get by without the palm tree

[43:20] Palm tree is a street. Sorry that's wrong

[43:24] I'll make a motion do a room. I didn't get my comment. Oh, sorry

[43:29] I do have one comment. I

[43:32] Well, I have two comments. I think the palm tree have you seen how many trees they're taken out?

[43:38] It's really sad. Have you driven there? It's like a wasteland

[43:41] we need trees. They're going to save us. Well, it'll die one day. Like us all. Okay, so thank you

[43:50] for the landscape lighting plan. I think you went there and it was super dark and you might have

[43:54] overreacted just a little bit. I just feel like it's a lot of light and especially thinking

[43:58] about sleeping in these units right here. That's a lot of light right along the edge. So my request

[44:03] would be like, I get it. I think you need to be safe and I think it's an area where you want it to

[44:08] well live but I think you could take it down by maybe like 20 to 25 percent and I think that would

[44:15] be plenty out there. We just don't want the whole thing to be glowing.

[44:20] Yeah, we should check the wattage on that. Yeah, what is Fx?

[44:25] Can't see it, I'm sure. Yeah, this is too much yet. Anybody get, I gotta get my magnifier out.

[44:33] And well, if it's LED, it should be around 25, what's LED, it's fine.

[44:40] We're happy to cut back 20, 25% and we'll use a lower wattage so it doesn't blast light.

[44:48] That's not the intention.

[44:54] I still can't read it.

[44:57] I don't even see it.

[44:58] I don't see it.

[45:00] I don't see it listed, so just yeah, maybe just with who ever is going to make the motion could include to just confirm the water to the fixtures.

[45:11] And it's warm, not cool, right?

[45:15] Okay, who would like to make a motion?

[45:19] Oh, no, the palm tree.

[45:22] Yeah, I like the palm tree. I like most trees.

[45:31] I'll make a motion to approve with a comment's noted.

[45:35] Second.

[45:36] All in favor?

[45:37] Hi.

[45:38] Hi.

[45:38] All right.

[45:39] Thank you, guys.

[45:39] So much for coming in.

[45:41] Thank you.

[45:42] Let's do it.

[45:43] Okay.

[45:45] So, last week, do we have any other business we did our matters by staff already?

[45:51] So, what

[46:05] are you saying?

[46:06] Which one?

[46:06] Well, I thought there should have done something with the roof to make a little more interesting.

[46:11] they could have put some false chimneys on there. They could have boxed in the stairway of this pile.

[46:18] It's just a matter of more interesting.

[46:20] So the earlier one below the budget, the only one did do some stuff.

[46:24] I don't think I don't remember anything on the roof.

[46:28] Did he have something like that?

[46:30] I don't think so.

[46:34] We did our matters by staff so we're done with that.

[46:37] the meeting minutes for the last meeting December 11th. I will not be voting on those since I was not here.

[46:46] Motion to approve.

[46:47] I sat there.

[46:49] Oh,

[46:51] somebody left.

[46:56] Sorry, Richard.

[46:59] Thanks you guys.

[47:04] The second page is out the bottom of the third from the bottom of the line.

[47:09] The question is based on former Johnson asked if the two P styles okay.

[47:14] And he said it was no issues.

[47:17] It's a one-piece tile that looks like two-piece.

[47:19] So it's a one-piece that's trying to be a two-piece,

[47:22] and that's why I didn't like about it.

[47:24] So it's not a two-piece tile to start with.

[47:36] Under Johnson that said, I wanted to add,

[47:38] he could do pop-outs, et cetera,

[47:41] to make those bathroom windows a little more

[47:43] interesting on that elevation.

[47:44] I remember that.

[47:45] But just didn't pop-outs on the bathroom elevation.

[47:56] So it said, it's quoted me as saying, I don't know what I would have done instead, and

[48:02] then, as I thought about it for a little while, I came back later and said, oh, I can do

[48:06] a pop out.

[48:06] I do remember that.

[48:08] Right.

[48:09] French balcony off the shower.

[48:10] I do remember that.

[48:19] Modify the motion to include Richard's changes.

[48:22] And then I'll second that.

[48:23] Modification.

[48:24] All in favor?

[48:26] Hi.

[48:28] Hi.

[48:28] All right.

[48:32] Matters referred by planning commission,

[48:34] Matters by staff,

[48:35] Matters by boardman.

[48:36] Anybody on the board have a matter?

[48:38] No matter.

[48:39] What's happening with the high rise?

[48:40] Yeah.

[48:42] I hope again.

[48:46] So at 5-1-10,

[48:52] Ogan Road, it is 210 foot tall, 18-story building

[48:58] And with three levels of ground floor parking and 15 stories of the mix of housing types

[49:10] with 20% deemed affordable at 26 units as a third floor roof of the parking structure

[49:22] there will be a swimming pool, a fitness room, and that's what I've got now, I'm sorry.

[49:34] So the website edition recently is really good.

[49:39] That shows a bunch of detail on the major projects and the communications, basically a

[49:46] street file for every big project, which is pretty cool.

[49:49] Yeah, all right, but it really is 18 years old. Yes, it is. It really is 18 years old.

[49:56] Any pumps to dip water up?

[49:58] Oh my gosh.

[50:00] All right, so attendance of board members for the next meeting, our meeting next is going to be February 12th. Is everybody available to attend that day? I should check, I can't. And if I, if I may.

[50:12] Oh, I'm not going to be here. Chair, like Laura. So yes, staff is right now. It's looking like we may not have anything ready for you at that time, and it would be looking towards the 26th as a meeting.

[50:27] Yeah, that works.

[50:30] If I can make the 12th, but I'd be grateful if we didn't.

[50:35] I will not be available on the 12th.

[50:37] I will be available on the 26th.

[50:39] Would we have a quorum on the 12th if we...

[50:43] Yeah, I'll check with her, but the three of you.

[50:46] Yeah, I'll be, I think I can make it.

[50:48] Great if we didn't.

[50:50] I'll be in her vine if it does.

[50:51] I'll be in her vine if it does.

[50:52] I think I'll be in her vine if it does.

[50:56] Okay, I think we are adjourned at 621.

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