[0:02] good evening it is 5:15 this uh Monday

[0:04] November 13th the Carol City Council is

[0:07] now in session would you all please uh

[0:09] rise and join with me for the Pledge of

[0:11] Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the

[0:13] flag of the United States of America and

[0:17] to the Republic for which it stands one

[0:19] nation under God indivisible with liy

[0:23] and justice for

[0:25] all thank

[0:28] you okay for r call all are present um

[0:33] we have before us tonight the consent

[0:35] agenda and as always we have approval of

[0:38] the minutes of the prior meeting this

[0:40] case October 23rd we have approval of

[0:43] this Cycle's bills and claims uh we have

[0:46] a couple of licenses and permits to

[0:48] approve a new special 5-day Class C

[0:51] retail alcohol license with outdoor

[0:53] service for November 23rd 20 24th of 23

[0:57] for a Black Friday event at Katie ly

[1:00] Boutique with lucky wife wine

[1:03] slushies and then also a Class B retail

[1:06] alcohol license and kemus Country Store

[1:10] number two uh we also have um the um

[1:16] 2023 Municipal Golf Course booster pump

[1:20] project station project the construction

[1:23] materials inspection and testing round

[1:26] testing

[1:27] proposal um also in the consent agenda

[1:29] we have the merchants ballpark lease uh

[1:32] for the 24 season with the Carol

[1:34] Merchants we also have a bid opening

[1:37] report parks and tractor uh Parks

[1:40] tractor and bucket and then bid opening

[1:43] report is in there as well as the annual

[1:45] urban renewal report for fiscal year

[1:48] 2223 the state annual financial report

[1:51] for fiscal year

[1:53] 2223 as well as the city street Finance

[1:57] report for fiscal year 222 23 uh are

[2:01] there any questions or comments about

[2:03] tonight's consent agenda and if not I

[2:06] would seek a motion to approve approve

[2:09] as

[2:10] presented so moved Tom second JJ any

[2:15] further

[2:16] discussion hearing none roll call please

[2:19] Power yeso yesk yes Bas yes D yes yes

[2:25] thank you item number four on tonight's

[2:27] agenda as always we have oral requests

[2:29] and Communications from the audience

[2:31] this is where the members of the public

[2:33] wishing to address the council for an

[2:34] item that is not on tonight's agenda may

[2:37] come forth and do so at this time and

[2:40] these comments are limited to five

[2:42] minutes or less do we have one yes I

[2:45] do uh done War home toal performance GW

[2:49] property at uh 8:14 West 6 Street in

[2:52] Carrol um what's going to take to get

[2:55] that road paath guys it's um Carol's

[2:58] hottest dirt track uh I get County

[3:00] trucks going up and down at 54 mph our

[3:03] speed limits 25 I have a certified radar

[3:06] gun the dust is out of control um I've

[3:09] been down 11 years I've seen the city

[3:11] run a snow PL one time in the winter

[3:13] time 11 years it's not maintained it's a

[3:17] dust bow can we get it PA the whole

[3:20] Street's full of businesses it's the

[3:22] only place in Carol we have a dirt road

[3:24] that we got businesses

[3:28] on what road talking about West six

[3:30] Street indust yep I even brought I

[3:33] brought c b can you put that up on the

[3:36] right where that red dot is put it

[3:37] underneath

[3:40] there all right um up in the corner got

[3:43] a little arrow pointing down it runs

[3:44] from basically Ry diesel down to Highway

[3:47] 71

[3:52] vok that in the city limits yes I pay

[3:55] city taxes it's City Limits why is it

[3:58] not why is it not paid

[4:04] curious over

[4:07] the several years ago to pave that and

[4:11] it was a special assessment project the

[4:14] road had always been gravel now obiously

[4:18] but entered a special assessment project

[4:21] for Paving and it was rejected by the

[4:24] adjacent owners at the time I know a lot

[4:27] of properties have changed hands since

[4:29] that time but it had been addressed at

[4:32] one time cuz it is full of businesses

[4:34] Now isn't there a bunch of new buildings

[4:35] oh yeah

[4:37] full and like I said I've never been

[4:39] notified for anything in 11 years I've

[4:41] owned it and I've talked to other

[4:43] business owners along there and um

[4:46] fortunately they could not make this

[4:47] meeting but they said they'll make the

[4:49] next one if there is next one about it

[4:51] and um it's time to get

[4:55] aath is that something we talk about

[4:58] budgeting or that something you vote on

[4:59] well again we for protocol we I I had

[5:03] told Benton a couple weeks ago I see he

[5:05] can bring it you know to probably the

[5:07] more appropriate thing to do is to get

[5:09] it on an agenda okay I spoke with um

[5:11] Aaron about that and um he told me I

[5:14] need to come here and bring it up like

[5:15] We Are Tonight first which is fine and

[5:17] then we can go through it from there

[5:19] yeah and the council is not obligated to

[5:21] respond if at all I mean you know we can

[5:24] certainly ask questions at our will but

[5:26] you know we can just it's been noted

[5:28] within our minutes so we noted in our

[5:30] minutes that uh a request has been made

[5:33] and then we can take it up and put it

[5:34] into the standard CIP process you know

[5:38] beginning as early as this cycle but you

[5:40] know that's going to be a council

[5:42] decision and and so on so um so just to

[5:45] confirm there's gravel on the North and

[5:47] the South side of the tracks correct so

[5:50] yeah I believe so I I'm certainly aware

[5:52] of it on his side South sides farmr or

[5:55] sides

[5:56] businesses Randy H how long is the uh

[6:00] Street how much I mean is it quarter

[6:03] mile I I can't probably three4 of three

[6:06] qu quarters I'll agree with

[6:10] that it goes from right behind oh the

[6:16] Pam Avenue adjacent IV from there out to

[6:20] burges okay okay thank you last five

[6:23] years a lot of businesses have moved out

[6:25] there developed

[6:28] yeah so I think with this coming to us

[6:33] tonight I think it's a good opportunity

[6:35] for the council now knows aware of the

[6:37] issue and then we can talk about it in

[6:39] our strategic planning session coming up

[6:42] as to where we want to put it what we

[6:44] want to do with it as far as in our

[6:47] streets plan which I'm sure we have I

[6:49] haven't looked at it real close but I

[6:51] know we're going to have a number of

[6:53] projects that we're already scheduled to

[6:56] move forward with so how we want to fit

[6:58] that in if we want to look at an assess

[7:01] assessment project we can certainly do

[7:03] that since it's never been paved so I

[7:06] think that's actually a good opportunity

[7:07] for that type of a project but moving

[7:10] forward I think that's that's the proper

[7:12] way to look at it as far as we have

[7:14] people interested in that being paved at

[7:17] this point and then moving forward we

[7:18] can talk it in our strategic planning

[7:20] and then program it into our uh streets

[7:23] plan from

[7:25] there okay sewer and water's already

[7:27] there is it oh yeah oh yeah sewer water

[7:29] yeah I mean it's all developed I mean

[7:32] it's not even empty lock there anymore

[7:33] but it's all developed all the way down

[7:35] so thank you guys thank you you very

[7:38] much and again it is noted that you've

[7:41] made a request perfect thank

[7:43] you okay very well so we will move to uh

[7:47] the other items tonight's agenda

[7:49] beginning with uh under five we have

[7:51] ordinances and we will start first with

[7:54] you Aaron and Rolling Hill South condo's

[7:57] second urban renewal plan and this is

[7:59] our second reading correct correct okay

[8:02] this is the uh ordinance that puts in

[8:05] place the urban renewal area down in the

[8:07] uh Southeast southwest corner of the

[8:09] city for the urban renewal plan with 702

[8:13] development 704 704 uh I would recommend

[8:17] probably waving the second how do we

[8:19] work read third read the second wave the

[8:22] third okay read the second and wave the

[8:24] third readings to approve this ordinance

[8:26] to get this uh urban renewal area

[8:30] place any questions for

[8:34] Aaron okay so the recommendation is to

[8:37] approve the second wave the third is

[8:40] there a motion to that

[8:41] effect was a

[8:43] tie I give it to Carolyn better looking

[8:47] second

[8:49] okay okay By Carolyn seconded by lever

[8:53] uh any further discussion and it is to

[8:55] wave the third then correct y okay any

[8:58] further discussion hearing none roll

[9:00] call please face yes yes yes yes yes perfect thank you under five I'm

[9:11] sorry we're done with five so under six

[9:13] under resolutions no notion oh I got to

[9:16] adopt that don't I sorry and there's a

[9:18] resolution with this as that's why I put

[9:20] that note on there that I skipped right

[9:21] by I need to adopt that so is there a

[9:23] motion to adopt the uh said resol yep

[9:27] second uh by

[9:29] Le and then Carolyn any further

[9:31] discussion heing none roll call please

[9:34] yes yes power yes yes yes yes thank you

[9:41] aded thank you and then under

[9:44] resolutions tonight Aaron you're on up

[9:47] to bat again uh region 12 we need to

[9:51] finish the resolution authorizing

[9:52] confirming the how am I

[9:54] missing for urban Ren project well we

[9:57] adopted we adopted the ordinance but

[9:59] yeah we didn't talk about it during our

[10:01] discussion here okay I'm sorry that's

[10:04] all right I I kind of put this together

[10:06] so basically what this resolution does

[10:08] is allows us to be able to capture or

[10:11] repay the city for the administrative

[10:13] cost it was to set up the I don't want

[10:15] to break any rules so thanks for the

[10:17] catch after we get done working through

[10:20] the development of process or the

[10:22] development agreement the obligation

[10:24] there so now I need another motion for

[10:25] the resolution

[10:28] then so moved Carolyn seconded by JJ any

[10:32] further discussion hearing none roll

[10:34] call please Power yes a yeso yes yes

[10:39] Shrek yes SE yes resolution is approved

[10:43] can I move to resolutions yet let's do

[10:44] it okay let's do that I think I'll do

[10:46] that region region 12 Council of

[10:49] governments home construction and Rehab

[10:51] agreement Aaron um you have a copy of

[10:54] the actual agreement with highlighted

[10:57] sections changed in front of you we

[10:59] actually had the old agreement that we

[11:01] had prior to us making the changes that

[11:04] had the well the current one with the

[11:07] purchase of lots we would repay uh

[11:09] region 12 for those purchase of lots so

[11:13] in the agreement you have in front of us

[11:15] it's highlighted where it where it talks

[11:17] about a rehabilitation or what we would

[11:20] do if if uh region 12 was doing a

[11:23] rehabilitated unit rather than a

[11:26] purchase of an old or empty lot and then

[11:28] a new house the most what I would call

[11:32] the most important changes are under

[11:34] Section

[11:35] 2.1 responsibilities of the Cog under

[11:38] number three it says rehabilitate homes

[11:42] ensuring all major infrastructure will

[11:44] be serviceable for at least 10 years to

[11:46] include roof Foundation sighting Windows

[11:48] HVAC electrical systems Plumbing total

[11:51] project investment excluding the

[11:53] residential purchase or resident

[11:55] purchase will be at least $100,000 per

[11:58] rehabilitation unit so we would be

[12:00] investing

[12:02] $30,000 with region 12 basically to

[12:05] purchase the house and then region 12

[12:06] would be doing the investment to

[12:09] rehabilitate the house the other part of

[12:11] that would then be that this project

[12:13] would be eligible for the cogs local

[12:16] Housing Trust Fund which is very s

[12:19] similar to LMI funds or an LMI qualified

[12:24] financing but it actually opens it up to

[12:25] a little bit more of individuals that uh

[12:29] make a little bit more money than what

[12:31] LMI would qualify

[12:34] for so that's kind of the agreement in a

[12:37] nutshell aside from what we did

[12:40] before uh Randy is here if you have any

[12:44] specific questions for him but I can

[12:45] certainly mean Rick Rick Randy Rick ry's

[12:49] over

[12:51] here Rick is here but U otherwise the

[12:55] agreements hasn't changed a lot it's

[12:57] pretty similar to what we had had before

[13:00] but just adding a rehabilitation option

[13:02] rather than trying to find empty lots so

[13:05] Rick one question I have maybe I'm

[13:07] overlooking this is if I would purchase

[13:09] one of these homes how long do I have to

[13:12] own this before I can resell

[13:15] this so um there really you could resell

[13:20] it at any time the question is is there

[13:21] any recapture provision if there is if

[13:25] we enroll this as this would be set up

[13:27] to do that 15 ,000 in uh the grant that

[13:31] we've got through the state the the

[13:35] person would be purchasing the house at

[13:37] fair market value so if that happens and

[13:41] they purchase it at fair market value

[13:42] and we provide no down payment

[13:44] assistance there is no clawback there's

[13:46] no regulation that they would have to

[13:47] keep at any specific period of time but

[13:49] they're paying full fair market value

[13:51] for it if there is a benefit to them

[13:55] which is probably going to come in the

[13:56] form of down payment assistance which we

[13:58] would do through that State article

[13:59] program there there's a specific clra

[14:02] provision which would be based upon the

[14:03] amount of assistance that would be

[14:05] provided to them probably a five-year

[14:08] forgivable period because I can't

[14:10] imagine that the down payment assistance

[14:11] will be more than5 or $10,000 but that's

[14:14] going to depend upon the buyer uh or it

[14:16] may be outside of this program so we

[14:19] talked about the Housing Trust Fund that

[14:22] itself has a down payment

[14:24] assistance portion of it so it may be

[14:27] outside this other funding but through a separate funding agreement and again a

[14:31] 5 to 10 year uh forgiv ability period

[14:35] should there be

[14:38] any am I missing it where it it needs to

[14:41] be occupied I see the 18 months of the

[14:43] construction time has to be done but it

[14:45] doesn't say anything about having to be

[14:48] occupied like the program we have now

[14:51] it's owner occupied in 18 months right

[14:55] but there's nothing in here saying you

[14:57] know you can have this and remod model

[14:58] it but our goal is to get our you know

[15:02] people in homes yes so we don't have

[15:04] anything in here that it has to be

[15:07] occupied well the goal in in the con in

[15:10] here it says it's intent is to have

[15:13] single family owner occupied homes

[15:15] where's that at I missed it uh it's in

[15:18] .2 and in both paragraphs when it talks

[15:21] about Rehabilitation and for new

[15:23] construction but

[15:25] if if it takes longer to get it sold

[15:29] than 18 months what what are we going to

[15:31] do I I don't think we would do anything

[15:33] other than say Rick keep trying to sell

[15:36] the house okay right I don't want to sit

[15:39] on empty

[15:40] houses it's fine

[15:43] just what we discussed

[15:47] it yeah that would be our goal and the program that we have through the

[15:52] state that has to be own

[15:54] occupied

[15:57] okay were you thinking of a situation

[16:00] where somebody may buy it and rent it

[16:02] out or just sit on it for a while and

[16:05] wait for CES to cheat you know just it

[16:07] yeah so I mean that's probably a good

[16:09] question but you kind of just answered

[16:11] that I think yeah yeah the rental the no

[16:13] rental provision on a rehabed house is

[16:17] going to happen if we do down payment

[16:18] assistance which I tell you we will do

[16:20] on everyone because if we don't do a

[16:21] little bit then that repayment ability

[16:24] is that whole 150,000 which nobody's

[16:26] going to buy a house that they have to

[16:28] pay any money that they've already given

[16:30] us so we'll do a degree of down payment

[16:32] assistance with every house and that

[16:34] would have that fiveyear part of the

[16:37] default as if they would rent it which

[16:40] some it's very hard to uh enforce easier

[16:44] for us to enforce in Carol because we're

[16:46] here uh but that is that would be

[16:49] written that's a um one of the uh

[16:53] situations of default in that clawback

[16:56] agreement we're looking at vacant homes

[16:59] aren doing this yes so that would be uh

[17:03] well anything that's on the market so it

[17:06] may not be currently vacant for example

[17:09] it may be a rental house that has a

[17:11] renter in it that's on the market and

[17:13] available we're not going to want to I'm

[17:16] not going to want to buy anything that

[17:17] has a renter currently in it because

[17:20] these are federal funds and then that

[17:21] will kick in a particular set of

[17:24] unpleasant things to do as far as

[17:27] relocation is concern concerned so

[17:29] generally it's going to be houses that

[17:31] are vacant are available for sale that's

[17:33] what we're going to be looking for or

[17:34] it's 657a or it's a donated homes

[17:40] um well our goal is to create more

[17:43] housing so you want to build a vacant

[17:45] home you don't want to have somebody

[17:47] renting and then they're out and you

[17:50] remodel you know and you get somebody

[17:53] you haven't really created any extra

[17:55] housing or a vacant home you will on

[17:57] this true I and this is your program to

[18:01] determine how you wish to have it run

[18:03] I'll give you two reasons why I think

[18:04] having somebody rent even if it's a

[18:06] rental unit why you would want to think

[18:08] about enrolling it in this program one

[18:10] is that it's an owner occupied program

[18:12] so that you transition that person into

[18:13] Home Ownership second is uh the amount

[18:17] of Rehabilitation that we're going to

[18:18] put into that housing unit is probably

[18:20] going to be more than a person that is

[18:22] renting it now that may not be 100% true

[18:25] but just looking at the repayment that

[18:28] you're going to have on the rent that

[18:29] you're going to collect over a period of

[18:31] time who's going to stick $150,000 into

[18:34] a house and where that becomes an

[18:36] advantage is that housing unit then is a

[18:38] long-term housing unit for the community

[18:40] as opposed to potentially continuing to

[18:42] degrade over time which I'm not saying

[18:44] that happens in Carol but there are a

[18:46] lot of rental units that don't see as

[18:47] much investment just because it doesn't

[18:49] pay for the person that's owning them to

[18:50] put that investment in the home so even

[18:53] though it may have a renter that's

[18:55] currently in it and that may hurt your

[18:57] rental market which I know we need to

[18:58] have rental units those are the two

[19:00] reasons that I would say that maybe you

[19:02] don't want to worry about it but if you

[19:04] do want to worry about it it's your

[19:05] program and you can tell me what you

[19:06] want to do and we'll do whatever you

[19:11] want hear that LE you get your own

[19:15] program the Royal the Royal U this what

[19:18] I I I would also ask um you mentioned

[19:21] that you're looking for homes that are

[19:22] currently on the market are are you guys

[19:24] searching out homes that are maybe

[19:26] currently in foreclosure or we have uh I mean our our feelers are

[19:34] out there we have looked at houses that

[19:36] are on

[19:37] foreclosure sometimes that the part of

[19:41] the reason that they're in foreclosure

[19:42] is because they're behind and they're

[19:43] behind on what the value of the house is

[19:45] so it just kind of depends on how much

[19:47] the financial institution would want for

[19:49] it uh but anything we would look for

[19:52] anything I've got if we if I'm looking

[19:55] to I've got really six slots to do one

[19:58] slot is through a specific state of Iowa

[20:00] program I don't have as much money so my

[20:03] house is going to have to not need as

[20:05] much uh that we en roll into that

[20:07] program or not cost me as much the other

[20:10] five I've got one of those five slots

[20:12] taken currently uh so we're actively

[20:15] looking for projects for those and of

[20:17] course this is only the rehab part of

[20:19] this I'd still like lots which as you

[20:22] know it's tough to find an infill lot in

[20:24] Carol that's going to be available that

[20:26] is uh a price where we can actually put

[20:30] a house on it and sell to the price

[20:32] point that we're trying to get at so

[20:34] it's not a bad thing I mean if we're if

[20:36] we end up not finding any infill Lots

[20:38] either because other people are are

[20:40] buying them to put houses on it that's

[20:42] great because that's the goal we want

[20:43] right even if even if we highlight lots

[20:47] and say why don't we do a project here

[20:49] and they end up going somewhere else and

[20:50] a house gets built that's what the goal

[20:52] is so it doesn't matter if we do it if

[20:53] the private sector will do it that's

[20:56] awesome is that the reason for the the ask for the change from the

[21:01] construct to

[21:04] or you can't find any Lots is that I did

[21:07] not ask for the change but I think

[21:08] that's probably part of the reason that

[21:10] the change is thrown out there is

[21:12] because we have the money available from

[21:13] the state to put significant amounts in

[21:16] and so the city's essentially putting up

[21:18] money to say look at projects in our

[21:20] community to invest that large amount so

[21:22] that would be one change the second is

[21:25] we haven't been able to locate lot one

[21:27] yet that um and we went around with the

[21:31] city of help of the city to look at all

[21:34] potential vacant lots to see what was

[21:37] developable what made sense what wasn't

[21:39] already you know if it's a lot that's

[21:41] owned by a neighbor they're not that's

[21:43] their yard they're not going to be

[21:44] interested in selling that and just have

[21:47] not been able to come upon anything yet

[21:50] that's available in

[21:52] town some of it came from the state

[21:55] housing convention I went to and they

[21:57] talked about if you want to you know get

[22:00] housing faster in your town this is one

[22:03] of the fastest

[22:07] ways okay I guess my question was I mean

[22:11] the whole thought behind that was we're

[22:13] idea was to construct to kind of promote

[22:15] that as well I mean now we're going to

[22:18] existing that are potentially already

[22:20] occupied so for me it was I mean I was

[22:23] kind of on the fence in the beginning

[22:25] anyways but to construct which is going

[22:27] to put up new housing and now we're

[22:29] going to rehab which isn't providing any

[22:32] new housing potentially well if it's

[22:34] vacant would be if it's vacant but we

[22:37] can't guarantee that we're going to get

[22:38] a vacant house well they can do your

[22:40] best at going after vacants well and

[22:42] again you tell me what vacant is I me

[22:45] generally anything that's on the

[22:46] Market's probably going to be vacant but

[22:48] if there is I mean we want to work with

[22:52] you so if there's something specific

[22:55] that you want us to stay away from then

[22:57] we will

[23:01] when I when I look at vacon I would look

[23:02] at pulling like water meters hey which

[23:05] one hasn't had service in a certain

[23:07] period of time you mean abandoned yes

[23:10] yeah yeah yeah right a't that the better

[23:12] term for that yeah probably better than

[23:14] vacant yeah um my house is vacant right

[23:17] now no one's home right now over over a

[23:20] period of time I would just hate

[23:22] to to buy homes that are on the market

[23:25] for people that are potential buyers

[23:27] right now especially with the limited

[23:29] selection so I think for me I think if

[23:31] we go after something that's sitting

[23:34] abandoned for a period of time two three

[23:37] four years um or that hasn't had any

[23:40] activity there that would I would be

[23:43] more in favor of that versus something

[23:44] that's on the

[23:46] market I my only reaction to that and

[23:49] again we'll do whatever you want to do

[23:51] it is going to be hard for us to be able

[23:53] to do something that's vacant because

[23:55] generally that's going to need an entire

[23:57] new rewire it's going to need all new

[23:59] Plumbing you're probably going to have

[24:00] to blow out the kitchen sighting Windows

[24:03] roof the house we're doing in Kon Rapids

[24:06] were not doing a lot in the interior

[24:07] we're at 120,000 already for a house

[24:10] that assessed it 70,000 that was donated

[24:13] to us and part of that is because I

[24:15] don't have a crew you know we're hiring

[24:17] all this work done by local contractors

[24:19] and so uh if we had a a crew we could

[24:23] probably do it and and get a lot more

[24:26] done then I do through the procurement

[24:29] methods that we need to follow to hire

[24:31] somebody not that's not to say that

[24:33] there aren't some abandoned houses that

[24:35] have been cared for but typically if you

[24:39] really want to make it a serviceable

[24:40] unit for somebody that if you're going

[24:42] to sell the low mod income they're not

[24:44] going to have really the ability to go

[24:45] out and take out larger loans that they

[24:47] can deal with the failure of a furnace

[24:49] or a hole in a roof so we want to make

[24:52] sure that we've kind of got that

[24:53] exterior envelope all set to go for them

[24:56] and that's without any foundation

[24:58] problems uh so it can be we've been

[25:00] through a lot of houses that cities were

[25:02] going to take on

[25:03] 657a and you look at the outside of it

[25:06] and think I'm I'm at 150 before I even

[25:09] step inside uh the house and usually

[25:11] that's because there's Foundation

[25:12] problems but uh that's where that's

[25:17] where those type of abandoned properties

[25:19] can be tough but that's not all of them

[25:21] there's and and we only need five uh

[25:24] throughout the region to figure out

[25:27] where we might be able to make a

[25:28] significant difference but so what's really The Sweet Spot for a

[25:32] purchase I know something that small

[25:34] communities have that we ask what are

[25:36] you you're going my house I think it's

[25:38] going to depend on the house um I'm

[25:41] looking on the real estate right now and

[25:43] there's like five of them under 140,000

[25:46] yeah that's so that's going to be tough

[25:49] for but I mean they're they are out

[25:51] there periodically but I would think if

[25:53] there's something 50 60 we're not

[25:56] looking at a huge

[25:58] house you know probably

[26:02] two-bedroom you know infill can be

[26:05] smaller

[26:06] yard it's it's not easy I mean and the

[26:10] Carol Market's tough but the goal of

[26:13] this program is to take those houses

[26:17] that really need a lot of infrastructure

[26:19] work to make sure that they don't become

[26:22] dilapidated and lost housing units in 20

[26:25] years to make them last a lot longer well are there any abandoned ones

[26:32] on Carol that we know well you

[26:34] identified you identified 15 Midsummer

[26:38] 15 of them and and there was probably

[26:40] just doing like a driveby there was

[26:43] probably six or seven of them that

[26:45] appeared to be fine now maybe they had a

[26:49] severe structural problem unb notes to

[26:51] the naked eye but there was five six

[26:54] seven of them that looked pretty and we

[26:56] know for one for sure was definitely

[26:58] decent they were just waiting for a

[26:59] family issue to get settled um but there was some to start with you know I

[27:08] think those are the ones that we'd

[27:09] really be in that we can do the best

[27:11] because to your point they're vacant

[27:12] they're not being lived in now right the

[27:14] only problem with all 15 of those they

[27:17] weren't necessarily up for sale right

[27:19] this minute right you know they're not

[27:21] putting them up for

[27:22] sale you you get the uh answer well I'm

[27:26] going to work on them and inv or you

[27:29] know improve it and then I'm going to

[27:31] put up for sale well some some of these

[27:33] Builders we know aren't going to get

[27:35] around to it anytime soon and some of

[27:38] them had work in process but hadn't hammered a nail in months so so

[27:44] we're looking at you know talking about

[27:46] adding this AR to the new home so we're

[27:48] still going to stay with the new home

[27:49] project buying lots and doing that so

[27:52] we're looking at an alternative here so

[27:54] the the the decision would I would

[27:56] imagine comes with region 12 is this

[27:58] doesn't pencil out on this particular

[28:00] home so we're not going to do

[28:02] it so that would be on you guys we don't

[28:05] get involved in that that is correct

[28:07] okay so if if things don't pencil out on

[28:10] these used homes or abandoned homes then

[28:12] you you still have the new home that we

[28:15] have in you know in place now yes as

[28:18] long as we can find lots but yes yeah

[28:20] well that's as long as you can find an

[28:22] abandoned home that's worth fixing up

[28:24] too the same scenario right so you may

[28:26] get into this and it's not working very

[28:28] well on half the homes that you're

[28:30] looking at you don't know that until you

[28:32] get going but but it's just another

[28:34] Avenue for us to get some

[28:37] homes and if they don't pencil out then

[28:40] that's it and ultimately we don't spend

[28:42] any money till it's found or done ex

[28:45] exactly and we're not out anything until

[28:47] we do find a lot or a residence that

[28:49] region 12 gives the green light too I

[28:52] just didn't realize there were that many

[28:54] abandoned properties well we're working

[28:56] on an ordinance to

[28:58] work on that also so Tom there are

[29:01] several um in Ward 4 and I've been told

[29:05] by the neighbors who have talked to me

[29:06] about them that they're very rundown

[29:10] looking and the neighbors have tried to

[29:14] because there are nice houses near these

[29:17] really prominent isour and neighbors

[29:21] have tried to buy these abandoned homes

[29:24] and they're getting worse and worse one

[29:26] in particular has been abandoned for 12

[29:29] years the owner lives I believe in in

[29:33] Atlantic and they have tried to buy them

[29:35] they will not sell and they're just

[29:37] leaving them to further

[29:40] deteriorate and like the neighbors have

[29:44] just had it and they want us to do

[29:47] something now this may be these may be

[29:50] so run down you couldn't meet your price

[29:53] point Rick but I think there may be some

[29:57] that could be rehab that Rick could

[29:59] handle and improve some of these

[30:02] neighborhoods it's you know it people

[30:05] are worried about their property values

[30:07] going down and they're worried also what

[30:09] if there's a buy or you know all the

[30:12] problems that can come with

[30:15] abandonment so I you know re I I think

[30:19] giving Rick a chance to try can't hurt

[30:23] us since it's pay as we go I mean it's

[30:26] just enough another option versus infill would be great to get a new home

[30:31] because it's just a lot somebody's

[30:33] paying you know taxes on we need we need

[30:37] to build our tax

[30:41] base so I think it's worth a try they

[30:45] take a

[30:48] while so we just need to give direction

[30:52] on this I mean and simply not I mean our

[30:56] goal would be to go with the abandonment

[30:58] right and not the on the

[31:01] market

[31:03] right well I think if I understood Rick

[31:07] correctly he's he's wanting all

[31:10] comers did I understand that earlier

[31:13] yeah the developer I would like to be

[31:15] able to go after whatever I we could

[31:18] find to be able to work on if there is

[31:22] uh a provision that you wish to add to

[31:26] the contract

[31:27] uh you can certainly propose that on

[31:30] that that somehow deals with vacant or

[31:33] provides a definition for what vacant is

[31:35] to where you would feel a house should

[31:37] be enrolled in the program

[31:39] or you know that we would have to run it

[31:42] by the city manager or something if

[31:43] there's language that you want to

[31:44] propose in the contract

[31:46] then then you should do that I want you

[31:48] to feel comfortable with it and he said

[31:52] it's our program you know it's our

[31:54] program but but he would have more

[31:57] opportunities if it was even currently

[32:00] inhabited or rented or whatever I mean

[32:03] my goal the whole goal is to get vacant

[32:05] properties the the program that we based

[32:07] this on was one that we had 15 years ago

[32:10] that it had to be vacant they defined

[32:12] vacant is really on the market so even

[32:14] though it may be your house that you're

[32:15] selling because you're moving and you

[32:17] were living in it up until that point

[32:19] because it was on the market we could

[32:20] acquire it and then rehab it uh we

[32:24] didn't deal with any that had any rental

[32:27] in it and I don't want to now because of

[32:29] the uniform relocation act that I don't

[32:31] want to get into uh which is a whole

[32:33] specific other set of rules that we need

[32:35] to follow so it's it's it's really up to

[32:40] whatever you're comfortable with because

[32:43] you know you're the ones that are

[32:45] investing the funds and you're the

[32:46] partners and we're not talking about a

[32:47] lot of houses uh that I can go in and do

[32:50] this with anyway because I only have a

[32:52] specific amount of money in this program

[32:53] and I have it it turns into a pumpkin I

[32:56] found I thought thought it was June 30th

[32:58] but it's actually the end of next year

[33:00] that we've got to have our contracts in

[33:01] place we've probably got to have all of

[33:03] our properties required at least by next

[33:05] summer so that we'd have time to get our

[33:06] contracts in place with contractors to

[33:08] do the

[33:09] work and if that's the case and you

[33:11] don't find them then the pumpkin turns

[33:13] and we're done yeah then I think it's

[33:16] back to just

[33:17] construction only on and not the rehab

[33:20] piece of

[33:21] it well I think it's worth a shot of I

[33:24] think the ones on the market are

[33:27] available should be available also just

[33:29] because I know the ones you're going

[33:31] after are going to be those that they

[33:33] probably could be purchased um could be

[33:36] purchased probably like somebody like me

[33:38] who wanted to renovate them and resell

[33:40] them but if if it's something that fits

[33:42] their program they may as well have the

[33:43] option to do it too because right now we

[33:46] don't have enough people in town that

[33:47] want to do that I mean we've taken our

[33:51] last few years buying and renovating

[33:53] personally homes and I can't get enough

[33:56] done so like let somebody else jump in

[33:59] and do it and our big contractors are

[34:01] building homes so let them help us get

[34:04] some of those rejuvenated so that

[34:06] they're on our tax base for more than

[34:09] $70,000 get them up

[34:12] to150 220 whatever based on what you can

[34:16] do to rejuvenate

[34:19] it and we talked about this a couple

[34:22] weeks ago but is it still understood

[34:24] that these homes would still be

[34:25] available for the tax batement the 5year

[34:28] tax abatement I think we talked about

[34:29] that I we talked about it but I didn't

[34:31] it it I didn't see it in the agreement

[34:34] or just leave it as unless is that just

[34:37] a given it's understood yeah unless it's

[34:39] under a an urban renewal area it would

[34:42] be available for the tax and and I'm I'm

[34:44] just going to bring this up just because

[34:46] it probably is just overly obvious but

[34:48] um it's got to be within the city

[34:51] limits I mean it's it's not written here

[34:54] but it's clearly understood that that

[34:57] it's construction must meet city city

[35:01] building code but not it doesn't say

[35:03] City says City

[35:10] yeah okay I'm sorry I did I missed it

[35:13] that's my bad thank you sorry yeah okay

[35:17] so we're at a point to make a motion to

[35:21] move forward with this or not

[35:25] yes it's it's not like it's 50 homes

[35:28] it's 10 homes I think it's worth a

[35:31] try that a motion that's a motion second

[35:35] seconded by By Carolyn any further

[35:38] discussion Haring none roll call please

[35:42] yes

[35:44] no yes yes yes thank you thank you Rick thank

[35:55] you

[35:59] okay so that's the region 12 so now we

[36:02] are at 6B which is fiscal year 24 budget

[36:06] amendment number one and I have

[36:10] 551 Laura and we'll go ahead and open

[36:13] the public hearing for this one and turn

[36:15] it over to you yes thank you Mark so

[36:18] time this is a time for the public

[36:19] hearing on our first budget amendment

[36:21] for our fisal year

[36:22] 24 uh there's a list included with the

[36:25] memo the items would be included in that

[36:27] as a quick refresher it was items that

[36:29] were either budgeted or part of our

[36:32] reestimates when we ended our fisal 23

[36:34] year and that were not completed as of

[36:36] June 30th of 2023 except for two

[36:39] transfers that were noted in the memo um

[36:42] at the time um actually even up to today

[36:45] no comments were received in the office

[36:47] that was my question thank you it was

[36:49] published in the Carol Times Herald as

[36:51] required by state code and it was

[36:52] published on Friday October

[36:55] 27th

[36:58] you do a really nice job itemizing these

[37:00] things out and particularly which ones

[37:02] that didn't get into the

[37:04] 23 budget

[37:07] so pretty well

[37:09] straightforward does anybody have any

[37:12] questions uh any members of the public

[37:15] with

[37:16] questions now this could be the fastest

[37:18] public hearing we've had this year so I

[37:22] see it at

[37:24] 5:52 we'll go ahead and close public

[37:27] hearing and then per your recommendation

[37:30] I need a motion to approve the

[37:32] resolution for the uh uh budget

[37:36] amendment number

[37:38] one there a motion Tom Tom second

[37:43] seconded by KY any further discussion

[37:46] hearing none roll call please Power yes yes yes yes yes resoltion approved

[37:55] thank you very much uh let's see we are

[37:57] item 6 C and the ninth amended and

[38:00] restated Central business district urban

[38:03] renewal plan a new Ziggler urban renewal

[38:05] plan and related development agreements

[38:07] and I'll turn it back over to you again

[38:09] Aon yeah this is a resolution uh

[38:11] accepting an engagement letter with

[38:13] allers and Cooney to rewrite and add

[38:15] projects to the ninth amended and

[38:17] restated Central business district also

[38:19] to create the Ziggler urban renewal plan

[38:23] and the related development agreement

[38:25] with Ziggler to put in well which will

[38:28] actually go into item D the uh sanitary

[38:31] sewer and water main extension but uh

[38:34] this is to write the agreements and make

[38:37] sure we're doing everything correct by

[38:39] uh legal standards for the urban renewal

[38:49] areas pretty straightforward stuff any

[38:52] questions for Aaron on

[38:55] this if not I would seek a motion to

[38:57] approve the resolution to enter into the

[38:59] scope of Engagement agreement with

[39:01] allers and

[39:02] Cooney is that lever second seconded by

[39:06] Misty is that Misty yeah any further

[39:08] discussion hearing none roll call

[39:11] please yes yes yeso yes yes yes

[39:17] resolution approved thank you uh item uh

[39:20] 6D is us30 West sanitary sewer and water

[39:24] main extension 2024 related to the

[39:27] previous topic and turn it over to Randy

[39:30] thank you mayor um we have proposed a

[39:33] us3 West sanitary sewer and water main

[39:36] extension to serve that Ziggler property

[39:39] on the west Edge of Town um it the

[39:42] project includes extension of about 1100

[39:46] ft of sewer and

[39:48] water um from Kittyhawk Avenue to

[39:51] Highway 30 and then West on Highway 30

[39:54] to the east property line of the the

[39:56] Ziggler property uh we prepared a

[39:59] Professional Services agreement uh with

[40:02] Snider and Associates to perform the

[40:05] design work necessary to get the project

[40:07] to uh a bidding

[40:09] phase uh Snider and Associates has a

[40:13] long relationship with uh Ziggler and

[40:16] they will be they have done the Ziggler

[40:19] site plan work for the property and

[40:23] they'll be doing some additional um

[40:25] utility work for Ziggler so we are

[40:29] recommending that Snider be retained to

[40:33] help coordinate this project the city

[40:36] project and the Ziggler

[40:39] project uh anyway the the Professional

[40:43] Services agreement includes Design

[40:46] Services uh bid services and con some

[40:49] construction service a total estimated

[40:52] amount of 99,354

[40:56] the project schedule is pretty

[40:59] aggressive but it is set up to uh

[41:03] parallel the needs of of the Ziggler

[41:05] property so that these services are

[41:08] available when Ziggler needs needs them

[41:12] and Ziggler's development schedule is

[41:15] also pretty

[41:17] aggressive um unless there are any

[41:19] questions I'd recommend your

[41:21] consideration of approving the agreement

[41:24] with Snider and Associates uh for the

[41:27] water main and sanitary sewer

[41:31] extension very good Randy um and you had

[41:35] outlined in your narrative that we're

[41:37] using Snider because that's who Ziggler

[41:40] uses but it would the council have any

[41:43] concerns about uh whether or not that

[41:46] would limit or inhibit any prospective

[41:49] biders that it would be open to all

[41:52] comers you know once that you know once

[41:55] that the the design is is open and then

[41:56] we we let the bids oh yeah it would

[41:59] inhibit that in any way that would not

[42:01] inhibit it that's this is just a design

[42:03] work and

[42:06] the there is like work on the Ziggler

[42:10] property so if

[42:13] Ziggler negotiates their contract or if

[42:15] they bid their contract I don't they'll

[42:18] get it under contract however they

[42:20] desire okay that may

[42:23] influence biders uh the that that

[42:26] successful bidder uh may want to be the

[42:29] successful bidder for the city uh

[42:32] portion of the project um so it could

[42:34] work to to the advantage in bidding uh

[42:39] that way good um it's not guaranteed but

[42:42] it's possibility it makes a a quite a

[42:46] bit larger project almost double the

[42:48] size size in length uh when you add the Ziggler work into it okay and this

[42:55] is all recoverable through the Tiff

[42:58] agreement that we'll talk about in just

[43:00] a moment one thing about Ziggler is they

[43:01] try to emphasize having local

[43:08] first any other questions for

[43:11] Randy okay so the recommendation is uh

[43:14] approval of the resolution to adopt the

[43:17] agreement or approve the agreement with

[43:19] SN and Associates uh for the us30 West

[43:23] sanitary sewer and water main extension

[43:25] project is there a motion to

[43:28] that Tom is that Misty yes uh any

[43:32] further discussion heing none roll call

[43:34] please Power yes yes yes yes yes perfect thank you Randy okay moving

[43:46] right along we have item six e which is

[43:49] the Biometrics Holdings LLC and dmba

[43:53] properties and Consulting the annual ual

[43:56] tax increment Finance appropriate for

[43:59] 2025 Laura yes thank you Mark so we've

[44:03] been working with b and electrics and

[44:05] DMV properties for a number of years um

[44:07] for some improvements that were done at

[44:08] the property located across the street

[44:12] from

[44:13] the and part of the agreement with them

[44:16] was for the city to provide a grant in

[44:18] the amount of $300,000 to rehab and put

[44:21] up a new building part of that also

[44:24] includes the annual a we've been doing

[44:26] this for a number of years where um so

[44:30] that way the whole 300,000 doesn't count

[44:32] against the city's death that only the

[44:34] portion of the agreement that would be

[44:36] paid in the next fiscal year actually

[44:38] gets counted towards our debt

[44:40] obligation the developer has completed

[44:43] the construction of the building and

[44:44] certified also then with that is the

[44:46] certification of the number of jobs that

[44:48] were created that was part of the

[44:49] agreement and the uh developer did

[44:52] certified that there were 10 new jobs

[44:53] that were created um some additional

[44:56] work was done to investigate the number

[45:00] of jobs and that was outlined in here

[45:01] what the work was done to verify the

[45:03] jobs that were created so what's it

[45:06] before you tonight is a resolution what

[45:07] we call our annual Appropriations

[45:09] resolution to ask for the Tiff dollars

[45:12] to pay um the developer for the taxes or

[45:15] the portion of the taxes that relate to

[45:17] the incremental value that was created

[45:19] with that new building building those

[45:21] taxes would be repaid to him next fiscal

[45:24] year excuse me the the develop year so

[45:27] this is um we've been doing this for a

[45:29] number of years fiscal 25 will be the

[45:31] second year of the annual Appropriations

[45:34] and after the fiscal 24 appropriation

[45:36] payments will be made there will be

[45:39] roughly 193,000 left on to be paid

[45:44] back are there any questions about what

[45:48] the annual Appropriations resolution

[45:54] is um I have a quick question um you

[45:58] talked with their representative Mr

[46:01] Jacobs and um you were shown the that

[46:06] biometric has 8 W2 employees 6

[46:10] 1099 two of which meet the criteria you

[46:15] were shown the information but my

[46:17] question is was Nathan overberg who

[46:20] wrote this um agreement with bioin metc

[46:26] and he's aware of the content was he

[46:29] good with the documents that were

[46:33] provided and is good with how the number

[46:39] of employees were

[46:41] certified that the information you were

[46:45] privy to um meets the criteria and he

[46:49] does indeed have the 10 so we're we're

[46:55] good as far as overberg is concerned

[46:58] yeah actually Nathan didn't write this

[47:01] agreement it was his predecessor that

[47:03] actually wrote the agreement and uh but

[47:06] yes he he was we were Consulting with

[47:08] him as far as what we could do to kind

[47:10] of certify the jobs without just saying

[47:14] having them fill out of form saying yeah

[47:16] we have 10 jobs and he was he was

[47:19] comfortable with the way we had

[47:21] certified the jobs in this in this

[47:23] aspect yes even the

[47:26] 1090s y he was good with it so even

[47:29] though he didn't write it I apologize he

[47:32] is fully aware of the content yes and

[47:35] the spirit of the content correct

[47:39] okay so we're on firm legal standing

[47:43] then correct okay thank

[47:52] you any other questions for Laura or for

[48:00] Aaron so the recommendation is to for

[48:03] the approval of obligating funds from

[48:05] the central business district Tiff to uh

[48:08] micro Biometrics and dmba properties

[48:14] Consulting there a motion to

[48:17] that so

[48:19] moved is it Kyle and then

[48:23] JJ is there any further discussion

[48:27] hearing none roll call please D yes

[48:30] Shrek yes yes yes yes Carolyn thanks for asking that

[48:38] question I do have a comment okay before

[48:41] we move on to the next one moving

[48:43] forward and following the lessons

[48:45] learned during this process and herein I

[48:48] highly recommend that the uh any new

[48:51] business agreement that is considered uh

[48:54] by the council moving forward

[48:56] particularly those that with their

[48:58] spirit and intent rooted in job creation

[49:02] in Carol that the language contain

[49:05] airtight and

[49:06] explicit definitions that are well

[49:09] understood and mutually agreed upon by

[49:11] all parties that are both binding and

[49:15] irrefutable agreements should always be

[49:17] crystal clear and beneficial to all

[49:20] parties and that's my

[49:23] comment so we will move on to the next

[49:26] one which is the same type of agreement

[49:29] with Western isowa networks

[49:33] BTC go ahead Laura thank you um yes so

[49:36] same very similar situation that the

[49:38] developer um improved some area on the

[49:41] west side of town over by Walmart and

[49:43] doing so there were some storm water

[49:45] improvements that they did at that time

[49:47] and so the city is rebating back the

[49:49] taxes to repay them for those Stone

[49:52] water improvements this is scheduled to

[49:54] be paid out over six consecutive

[49:56] semiannual pment of three fiscal years

[49:59] of which fiscal 24 is our first year

[50:03] this is to appropriate the Tiff

[50:05] collections for fisal 25 so we can

[50:08] continue those payments for the

[50:13] agreement very good we just paid one

[50:15] tonight

[50:17] y aren't our

[50:20] bills so once again council's requested

[50:24] their consideration approval of

[50:26] resolution obligating funds from Western

[50:29] Urban Westfield urban renewal tax

[50:32] revenue fund for appropriation of the

[50:34] tax payment to BTC

[50:37] Inc is that

[50:39] LE seconded by uh JJ any further

[50:43] discussion hearing none roll call please

[50:46] B yes foro yes dir yes shre yes yes yes

[50:52] motion is approved thank you and 6G

[50:56] Laura I think you're still up with the

[50:57] seat Bel

[51:04] policy yes thank you you don't know it

[51:06] by heart yet huh IA buckle up and that

[51:11] summarized by just saying Buckle the

[51:12] policy buckle up well a couple months

[51:15] ago um a representative from imwc the

[51:17] city's work count carrier was here to

[51:20] review our po uh a number of our

[51:21] practices and one of the things that

[51:23] came about that was um

[51:25] not that we didn't necessarily have a

[51:27] seat belt policy but it was just a

[51:29] really short oneline thing and this is a

[51:31] the policy before you tonight is a

[51:32] little bit more expansive and goes into

[51:35] a little bit deep more detail about use

[51:38] of a seat belt not only in vehicles and

[51:40] if you're personal vehicle while on City

[51:42] business but while you're using other

[51:44] City equipment if it is equipped with a

[51:47] seat belt you will be required to wear

[51:49] that seat Bel as well this is a model

[51:51] policy that we got from IM WCA so we're

[51:53] pretty sure they're going to sign off

[51:55] once Council approves it

[51:58] so this will be added to it and then our

[52:00] policies and procedure manual and then

[52:02] we will distribute to all employees and

[52:04] talk about

[52:06] it very good any questions about seat

[52:09] belt

[52:11] policy if not Council consideration

[52:14] approval of a resolution adopting the

[52:16] new seat belt policy policy number

[52:21] 0903 JJ Tom any further discussion heing

[52:25] on roll call

[52:27] please yes yes yes yes yes Shrek yes

[52:33] conations very good thanks Laura okay

[52:37] under reports seven first one a

[52:40] wastewater treatment plant digestor

[52:44] evaluation and Randy thank you mayor Vin

[52:47] Kim has completed the digest

[52:50] evaluation at the wastewater treatment

[52:52] plant if you'll recall that that

[52:55] evaluation was

[52:56] initiated um actually in April of

[53:00] 22 um to uh evaluate the condition of

[53:04] the current anerobic digestor uh propose

[53:07] whatever upgrades updating it needs um

[53:11] the equipment is actually about 20 years

[53:13] old uh now in that

[53:17] digestor and then look into an

[53:19] alternative of converting or switching

[53:22] to aerobic

[53:24] digestion uh

[53:26] the

[53:26] report contains the detail on what vnk

[53:30] did if you have any questions on that uh

[53:33] I can sure attempt to answer them in

[53:36] summary though uh the U analysis was put

[53:42] uh boiled down to a 20-year present

[53:44] value worth value of both the upgrades

[53:48] to the anerobic digestor and the switch

[53:52] to an aerobic

[53:53] digestion uh those are including your

[53:56] memorandum the aerobic treat anerobic

[53:59] treatment alternative was about 5.5

[54:02] million uh 20year present worth and the

[54:06] aerobic um treatment alternative was

[54:10] about 3.5 million so um the airic

[54:14] treatment was recommended uh to for the

[54:17] wastewater treatment plant and at this

[54:20] point unless there are questions um I'd

[54:24] recommend your acceptance of the uh

[54:26] digestive evaluation report and upon

[54:29] that we'll we'll initiate the next steps

[54:32] toward moving toward uh converting to

[54:35] aerobic

[54:37] digestion and that will entail

[54:39] construction project obviously and if

[54:43] you'll also recall the intent was also

[54:47] to add the uh VR air piping project to

[54:52] that contract uh it was n't a very

[54:55] attractive contract when we did let it

[54:59] uh bids were rejected and this would add

[55:01] it to a larger project and hopefully

[55:05] make it more attractive to a

[55:12] contractor very

[55:15] good if you're seeing glassy look on my

[55:17] face

[55:19] it I I actually right

[55:24] arm

[55:25] yeah we're supposed to know uh yeah all

[55:28] about this right 115 page

[55:31] report and

[55:34] uh yeah Carolyn you read everything but

[55:37] no I skimmed it I have to admit but I

[55:40] went for the summary there wasn't a

[55:41] summary I

[55:43] know so what I'm daring is any council

[55:46] member to go Toe to Toe with

[55:49] Randy thing it's not going to be this

[55:52] mayor I can promise you that I barely

[55:56] passed selling cars 101 so um we are at

[56:02] your you know

[56:05] directions that too but uh the one thing

[56:09] I would like to point out is on that

[56:11] summary on the on ry's memo the onm cost

[56:14] or the operation and maintenance cost

[56:15] over time for the aerobic digestor is a

[56:19] third of the cost less than what the

[56:22] it's here anob so it really behooves us

[56:25] to move in the aerobic digestion

[56:27] Direction well and I'm not going to blav

[56:29] this discussion why would anybody go why

[56:32] would anybody go the Anor robic then I

[56:34] mean what what you know I mean there's

[56:37] no long-term benefit there's certainly

[56:39] no short-term monetary benefit but I

[56:42] mean okay um that be a space restriction

[56:46] or they got to do it in a smaller area

[56:49] uh no they'll be the same areas we'll

[56:52] use the same tanks that we're using now

[56:54] they'll just be converted aobing It also

[56:56] says anerobic is not as safe either no

[57:00] an anerobic digestion is historically

[57:02] used in bi well I guess biological

[57:07] treatment units and is it's really

[57:10] customary to to use that um it's a good

[57:15] process it's a little more expensive

[57:17] than aerobic uh when you get to an

[57:20] activated sludge type process that we

[57:23] have converted to

[57:25] uh aerobic is more common and we knew

[57:28] that 25 or 20 years ago when we

[57:31] converted the plant to activate sludge

[57:35] and uh but the decision at the time was

[57:38] to stick with the anerobic

[57:41] well as time progressed we did upgrade

[57:45] all of the Anor robic digestion at that

[57:48] time um But as time progressed that

[57:51] equipment wore out and that was the

[57:53] reason for the evaluation of the current

[57:55] equipment and the high cost of replacing

[57:58] it um so it is now an opportune time

[58:04] really to switch over to aerobic uh for

[58:07] the 20-year

[58:14] cost so the next step would be that you

[58:17] enter into what design services and a

[58:20] document to prepare for the conversion

[58:22] itself yep yep at least that part I get

[58:25] but yeah ad hello yeah Tom it takes less Pepto Bismol this this way so

[58:34] digestor any other questions I certainly

[58:37] don't I need a motion to uh to approve

[58:41] the the the study is that correct yeah acceptance of the uh evaluation

[58:48] report second time and then mising any

[58:51] further discussion hearing none roll

[58:53] call please

[58:55] yes B yes face yeso yes yes stri

[59:02] yes thank

[59:03] you okay so we're moving right along to

[59:07] item 7 B which is the West Golf View

[59:11] subdivision Paving section seel

[59:14] selection and Randy you're still up sir

[59:16] thank you mayor um as you recall the

[59:20] West Golf View subdivision public

[59:23] platting and public Improvement work has

[59:25] been uh the design has been initiated at

[59:29] this time where you're at a kind of a

[59:33] critical point in selecting the paving

[59:37] section that you desire on West

[59:40] Street there you have two Alternatives

[59:42] basically a rural section which it

[59:44] currently is which is a pavement a

[59:47] shoulder and a ditch open ditch and

[59:50] regardless of what type of if that were

[59:52] selected regardless of what type of of

[59:55] adjacent development there is that ditch

[59:57] would have to remain in place the

[1:00:00] alternative is an urban section which we

[1:00:03] would uh add curban gutter to the

[1:00:06] pavement uh at least on the east side of

[1:00:10] the road we the left West Side would

[1:00:13] remain unchanged but adding curban

[1:00:15] Gutter and some storm sewer uh then the

[1:00:18] ditch could be filled and uh it would be

[1:00:21] more of an urban type section that we

[1:00:23] have in most of our streets in town uh

[1:00:26] it's it's critical uh the selection is

[1:00:29] critical certainly for the Aesthetics

[1:00:32] you know whether you like curbs or no

[1:00:34] curbs um and then this is impact will

[1:00:39] impact the the sanitary sewer location

[1:00:42] in this particular development and then

[1:00:45] the needs for plating the uh rural

[1:00:48] section will require more ride of way to

[1:00:52] be platted than an urban section does

[1:00:55] so those are it's kind of important to make that selection so we can

[1:00:59] continue to move forward with those

[1:01:02] plats and

[1:01:04] plans um we have prepared some

[1:01:08] conceptual opinions of probable cost uh

[1:01:12] for the rural and urban uh they are

[1:01:14] included in your memorandum in in short

[1:01:17] uh rural is anticipated to cost

[1:01:21] including uh the the grading and the

[1:01:25] sanitary sewer work storm sewer work and

[1:01:27] erosion control um

[1:01:30] $834,900

[1:01:32] the urban section is anticipated to cost

[1:01:40] 1,747 so at this point I would be happy

[1:01:45] to answer any questions uh if not I

[1:01:48] would recommend that you consider a

[1:01:52] selection of urban or rural for the the

[1:01:55] West Street golf West Golf View

[1:02:01] subdivision perfect questions for

[1:02:06] Ry I'll start with a couple um so

[1:02:08] essentially what we've got and I know we

[1:02:10] talked about this earlier on this summer

[1:02:13] um the rural is essentially what we've

[1:02:15] got along Grant Road which I think we

[1:02:18] kind of seem to agree with most that

[1:02:20] night that might not want to be

[1:02:22] replicated um so so the is the only

[1:02:25] decision we're making tonight then is

[1:02:28] just whether or not we want a curb and

[1:02:30] gutter it or not curb and gutter it and

[1:02:32] that's the only decision we're making

[1:02:33] tonight yes okay so it it does involve

[1:02:38] grading and erosion control which you've

[1:02:40] got listed in here but remember you and

[1:02:42] I talked one day about some of those

[1:02:44] lots particularly those interior lots

[1:02:46] are a little below the the the street

[1:02:49] grade does does does that 171 or 345

[1:02:53] include that that's over and above isn't

[1:02:56] it yeah if you wanted to bring the lot

[1:02:59] to street level on a on a couple of

[1:03:02] those lots uh that would be in addition

[1:03:05] to this uh these would include uh the

[1:03:10] grading and erosion control uh includes

[1:03:13] the filling of the ditches right and if you go to an urban section uh but

[1:03:19] then there may be more cost in changing

[1:03:22] the lot elevation yeah I walked it today

[1:03:25] and it it's it's very very similar to

[1:03:27] Grant Road in its current form the ditch

[1:03:31] just has enough they're they're both

[1:03:33] rural sections that's the way they were

[1:03:35] built now the the major difference uh

[1:03:40] between the two is

[1:03:43] um Grant Road has a 53 foot R half width

[1:03:47] ride of way so that road rideway extends

[1:03:50] to the back of the back slope so where

[1:03:54] the the ditch comes up that's where the

[1:03:55] lot starts and then goes in um but the

[1:03:58] housing houses on Grant Road have a 75

[1:04:02] ft setback I wondered yeah it's it's a

[1:04:05] unusually deep setback so in you know

[1:04:09] aesthetically it puts the ditch a little

[1:04:11] bit farther away from the front door

[1:04:13] than than a 35 foot setback and I guess

[1:04:17] you could establish whatever setback you

[1:04:20] want in the subdivision but the zoning

[1:04:23] will probably carry a 35t setback and

[1:04:27] then of course these lots are really

[1:04:30] only 10 20 ft deep or whatever we

[1:04:34] planted them so the the more setback you

[1:04:36] get the less rear yard you get and the

[1:04:38] closer you put them to the Fairway so um

[1:04:43] those are th that's kind of the

[1:04:45] difference between the what this would

[1:04:48] ultimately be and what Grant Road is

[1:04:52] now it looked as though and like whereas

[1:04:54] Grant Road has three East West stre

[1:04:57] streets and thus CS it looks like this

[1:05:01] one would only just have the one there

[1:05:03] at the golf course maintenance shed is

[1:05:06] there is there a second one at the

[1:05:07] clubhouse perhaps oh um in terms of

[1:05:11] coverts driveway coverts right each

[1:05:14] driveway would have to have a covert yes

[1:05:16] there might be one lot on the top of the

[1:05:18] hill that doesn't need it but otherwise

[1:05:21] it drains both North and South but n

[1:05:23] there's no other Street covers that's

[1:05:25] right okay no this driveway coverts on

[1:05:28] each each entry okay and then as I was

[1:05:30] walking I was walking on our Trail this

[1:05:33] neither neither decision would impact

[1:05:35] the trail whatsoever

[1:05:37] correct um would it yeah well the trail

[1:05:41] will be put back in but if it's an urban

[1:05:45] section there would be uh the street

[1:05:47] would be widened with a curbing Gutter

[1:05:49] and then the trail would have to be

[1:05:51] located relocated behind the the the

[1:05:54] curb and then

[1:05:56] sidewalks well it's either Trail or side

[1:05:58] I mean the trail would be a sidewalk uh

[1:06:01] as it is now uh with the rural section

[1:06:05] the the trail would stay where it is

[1:06:08] just I'm I took a picture yesterday walk

[1:06:12] the whole um area from the golf course

[1:06:17] North to one

[1:06:18] 8th and all of the all the residential

[1:06:22] homes on Northwest Street

[1:06:24] have cban gutter I to me it is illogical

[1:06:28] not to continue that and to expect and

[1:06:31] we're being very

[1:06:32] conservative at the assessed value of

[1:06:35] each house potentially being

[1:06:38] 700,000 um if if we are anticipating

[1:06:42] that uh price point I I think it will be

[1:06:46] very hard to sell Lots whoever ends up

[1:06:49] selling them uh and then expecting

[1:06:53] someone to to build a house at this

[1:06:56] price point when you have no curban

[1:06:58] Gutter and we even have curban gutter

[1:07:00] going past the golf course

[1:07:04] um um buildings are up to the the the

[1:07:09] buildings the City Maintenance building

[1:07:11] and so we have kbin gutter going right

[1:07:13] by the golf course parking lot by the

[1:07:16] clubhouse Etc and then as you look

[1:07:20] farther north you you get the

[1:07:23] perspective this is the very last the

[1:07:25] end of the uh curban gutter right before

[1:07:28] the city buildings the maintenance

[1:07:30] buildings so you know it's I guess we

[1:07:35] have to look at it yes it costs more but

[1:07:37] thinking long term and thinking about

[1:07:40] what we would like develop there to me

[1:07:43] it makes sense to continue the curban

[1:07:45] gutter and um that I think long term it

[1:07:49] will pay off for us as far as um right

[1:07:53] now we're getting nothing for that land

[1:07:57] so the um property taxes you look at the chart we have here um we're getting

[1:08:05] more than what we're getting

[1:08:10] now but the decision right now is just

[1:08:12] for curb and gutter right so right

[1:08:15] correct yeah I would agree with your I

[1:08:18] me thinking ahead deal with this is

[1:08:20] going to impact the price point of the

[1:08:23] homes and what we can what the Lots can

[1:08:25] be sold

[1:08:28] for I actually had somebody on Grant

[1:08:30] Road not even knowing that we were doing

[1:08:33] this wanted to fill in their ditch just

[1:08:36] because of the hassle with it the

[1:08:38] insects in the summertime and and that's

[1:08:41] even with a 75 foot

[1:08:43] setb U you know at first when I looked

[1:08:46] at this I thought well that's 340,000

[1:08:48] that's quite a bit difference but once

[1:08:51] that person called me and then I talked

[1:08:52] to another person I know they're not

[1:08:54] happy with what they have on cramp Road

[1:08:56] nobody is

[1:09:02] yeah any other questions for

[1:09:07] rannie what's the council's

[1:09:10] wishes urban urban is there a motion to

[1:09:13] that effect so moved uh was it Carolyn

[1:09:17] and then Tom any further discussion

[1:09:20] hearing none roll call

[1:09:22] please yes face yes power yes SE yes yes thank

[1:09:31] you okay we are moving right along to

[1:09:35] item 7 C and that is us30 traffic signal

[1:09:40] removal study on Adam Street and Court

[1:09:42] Street Randy thank you mayor um I don't

[1:09:45] know if you'll recall but in 2016 there

[1:09:48] was a study conducted for removal of two

[1:09:50] traffic signals along Highway 30 those

[1:09:53] were at Adam Street and Court Street uh

[1:09:57] the

[1:09:58] procedure that used was a developed out

[1:10:02] of the mutcd and the institute for

[1:10:05] Traffic Engineers um and that procedure

[1:10:09] um basically was twofold it uh included

[1:10:14] public notification in advance and then

[1:10:18] covering the signals for a period of 90

[1:10:22] days and during that that time the city

[1:10:25] received responses from the public and

[1:10:30] um at that time the decision was made

[1:10:34] not to remove the signals now it's been

[1:10:37] suggested that that that U process be

[1:10:42] reinitiated uh currently uh to uh begin

[1:10:47] to that to remove the signals and I've

[1:10:50] outlined the process in the memorandum

[1:10:53] and in includes Advanced notification to

[1:10:55] the public and then a period of

[1:10:59] non-operation in which we will observe

[1:11:02] and record uh some data we'll take any

[1:11:06] comments and bring those back at the end

[1:11:09] of 90 days so at at this point unless

[1:11:13] there's there are any questions I'd re

[1:11:16] just recommend you um consider the

[1:11:20] initiation of that type of study for the

[1:11:22] removal of those two

[1:11:26] signals quick question just to get

[1:11:28] clarification got it says stop signs in

[1:11:30] here stop signs will be placed on Adam

[1:11:33] Street to cross 30 in same withouth core

[1:11:36] correct okay yes

[1:11:40] yep temporary stop signs yep right yeah

[1:11:46] M at one time you mentioned that we're

[1:11:48] going to upgrade

[1:11:50] these yes does that replacing them all

[1:11:54] or what is that upgrade cost or what is

[1:11:56] it the upgrade that's envisioned at the

[1:11:58] current time in the capital Improvement

[1:11:59] program is for the uh computer equipment

[1:12:04] the electronic equipment in in the

[1:12:07] signals not the poles are not included

[1:12:11] but it's the

[1:12:12] controllers uh and everything in within

[1:12:14] the controller uh is the proposal at

[1:12:17] this point because you can't get parts

[1:12:21] for these much anymore can you we cannot

[1:12:23] get parts for those controllers

[1:12:28] now you don't have an estimated cost on

[1:12:32] one of those controllers it it'll run

[1:12:35] between 100 and 150,000 per

[1:12:40] intersection so if we eliminate Adams in

[1:12:43] court quarter of a million two to

[1:12:45] 300,000 yes

[1:12:48] M I think the question Tom and I had

[1:12:52] prior of the meeting that we had had for

[1:12:53] you is does it require a whole another

[1:12:56] study again we can't use the data from

[1:13:01] 2016 um and just move forward at the

[1:13:04] council's discretion right well the the

[1:13:07] process is set up to be pretty

[1:13:10] transparent you know to to warn people

[1:13:13] that you're we're going to be looking at

[1:13:15] this we are looking at it and now we've

[1:13:19] got data now the the data won't change

[1:13:22] that much the the hard data there will

[1:13:25] be reduction in delay time and we had

[1:13:28] anticipated about in 2016 about 17 hours

[1:13:32] of reduction in delay time during that

[1:13:35] 90day period uh which is huge in traffic

[1:13:39] counts um but more more likely it it's

[1:13:45] for transparency to to tell people it's

[1:13:48] going to happen and then make it happen

[1:13:51] and then decide if you really want to

[1:13:54] remove it I mean most the discussion

[1:13:57] within the building let's say in 2016

[1:14:01] favored the removal but the outcome

[1:14:05] after public input um was not removal so

[1:14:11] it just gives the public the opportunity

[1:14:13] to weigh in on uh something like that

[1:14:17] thank you I and I'm and I'm all for that

[1:14:19] part of it I so maybe something Tom and

[1:14:22] I weren't exactly clear on is we just do

[1:14:24] our own study Randy we don't do an

[1:14:27] outside consultant no nobody okay so

[1:14:30] it's just our own internal study so

[1:14:32] another question we turn this to

[1:14:34] flashing hellow and we had Adams going

[1:14:37] okay so can't we do that with I was ask

[1:14:40] Adams and court and just leave them

[1:14:42] flashing for a while that's an one of

[1:14:45] the

[1:14:46] Alternatives is to part of our stud to

[1:14:49] perform this with those flashing but the

[1:14:53] downside of doing that is people are

[1:14:56] still reading that signal and what we

[1:14:58] want to do is make that intersection

[1:15:00] look like there's no signal there so we

[1:15:03] get the the public reaction both in in a

[1:15:07] you know crashes is all is part of it

[1:15:11] and and then just in the public

[1:15:12] perception of no signal being there

[1:15:15] rather than because at the end of 90

[1:15:18] days you wouldn't want to keep this

[1:15:20] thing flashing forever I mean it just

[1:15:23] that's

[1:15:23] you'd have to replace the controller and

[1:15:25] it wouldn't save any money and whatever

[1:15:28] so um that it more likely this

[1:15:32] process reflects more of what it would

[1:15:35] be with no signal there and if we kept

[1:15:38] them flashing you'd still need the new

[1:15:40] controllers eventually too right so

[1:15:41] there'd be no there'd be no

[1:15:44] Savings in charge when this was flashing

[1:15:47] here we had quite a few accidents did

[1:15:49] you over this summer correct in more

[1:15:52] than normal in

[1:15:54] 2016 we had one accident in 90 days and

[1:15:58] it was a left turn I think at court and

[1:16:01] we've had quite a few this summer Brad

[1:16:03] more than normal really for what what

[1:16:06] were they for uh people were see the

[1:16:09] yellow light and slow to a stop and the

[1:16:11] cars behind them would not stop oh rear

[1:16:13] Enders huh

[1:16:16] nice so that's why you don't want flash

[1:16:18] he correct so with the lights gone I

[1:16:22] just want to clarify by how does one get

[1:16:24] across the road you have to you you

[1:16:26] definitely have to wait on your own to

[1:16:29] go there is no button to push right yeah

[1:16:32] put in unless you have new controllers

[1:16:35] well

[1:16:37] um I guess first of all to to try to

[1:16:40] answer that question yes you you have no

[1:16:43] protected

[1:16:45] Crossing um there the other signals do

[1:16:50] create gaps in the traffic uh uh so that

[1:16:54] you can enter and you can cross on these

[1:16:57] side streets and also one of the I guess

[1:17:02] casual observations during the 2016

[1:17:06] study um it was I was approached and and

[1:17:10] someone said where's all the traffic on

[1:17:12] Highway 30 you know really early in the

[1:17:15] study

[1:17:16] and a a response was given by another

[1:17:19] person that people are avoiding it

[1:17:21] because those signals are bagged that

[1:17:24] wasn't actually the case we we counted

[1:17:27] the traffic it was similar to what it

[1:17:30] was without the signals being bagged but

[1:17:33] it was moving through the town and there

[1:17:37] were so it really created uh reasonable

[1:17:40] gaps for entry vehicle entry onto the

[1:17:44] highway from these two intersections and

[1:17:47] ped Crossings uh at these two

[1:17:50] intersections so it's you know that's

[1:17:53] kind of what

[1:17:55] happens is a goal for this to to get the

[1:17:58] traffic through

[1:18:00] faster now this last time you did that prove that traffic went through

[1:18:06] town faster M it did yes okay and what

[1:18:10] spawned this most recently I had I had a

[1:18:13] number of citizens hey we really like

[1:18:16] this um can we look at this again and so

[1:18:19] I've had a number of them so I talked to

[1:18:20] Randy and said hey what would be the

[1:18:22] process so

[1:18:24] you've heard him too the same you know I

[1:18:26] had I had one don't mean to single yet

[1:18:28] but I'll I'll visit with her maybe as

[1:18:30] early as tomorrow but with with Adam

[1:18:32] Street I had one complaint from the

[1:18:33] treasurer's office that they couldn't

[1:18:36] get to the bank they couldn't C it was

[1:18:38] hard for them to cross the street and

[1:18:40] I've got to clarify that with her

[1:18:42] because I don't know why you couldn't

[1:18:43] cross at Maine and then go down rather

[1:18:47] than just crossing at Adams but I'll

[1:18:49] clarify that with her because she's a

[1:18:52] constituent to too and and there are

[1:18:55] Partners as well and I don't want to

[1:18:56] have any treasur deputies hit making a

[1:19:00] deposit with my tax money so

[1:19:03] um I'll I'll I'll follow up with her but but again I don't know I mean to me

[1:19:11] it makes perfect sense I use Adam Street

[1:19:15] when I'm shopping probably more so than

[1:19:18] I

[1:19:19] do you know Court Street but that's more

[1:19:23] ped traffic for the housing along there

[1:19:28] um you know I mean I I told Aon when we

[1:19:31] put it on the agenda that I'm I'm really

[1:19:33] mooded on it but just want to do what

[1:19:35] the people want us to do and

[1:19:37] transparency is great and I mean and I

[1:19:39] appreciate your comments on that I I

[1:19:41] want to be fully but I was a little bit

[1:19:43] concerned about you know if we if if we

[1:19:45] invested x amount of money you know just

[1:19:47] seven years ago but we do it all

[1:19:49] internally so I'm good with that too so

[1:19:52] right that's fine we will have to make

[1:19:54] sure we have sign signing and that may

[1:19:56] be some upfront expense but those are

[1:19:59] outlined in that timeline so about a

[1:20:01] 90day process here is about what we're

[1:20:03] talking so um it's really about 120 day

[1:20:06] we start 30 days in advance so 30 90

[1:20:10] this is going to go under study and then

[1:20:14] uh also Public Announcement of that okay

[1:20:19] and then at at day Zero we be we begin

[1:20:22] and the okay the actual bagging turning

[1:20:25] off the signals and putting bags over

[1:20:27] them we'll be just in time for the

[1:20:28] Christmas holiday shopping season then

[1:20:31] so all right have it get started at that

[1:20:34] point like I say we have to make sure we

[1:20:35] secure signing yep um and have

[1:20:38] everything ready also on on day Zero we

[1:20:41] uh we reset the timing on the rest of

[1:20:44] the signals that are in place so that

[1:20:46] that's optimized uh for traffic okay

[1:20:51] council's wishes

[1:20:56] anyone would need a motion for the

[1:21:00] commencement of the removal study would

[1:21:02] be in order want to move forward so Tom

[1:21:06] Misty any further discussion hearing

[1:21:08] none roll call

[1:21:10] please yes yes yes yes yes yes thank

[1:21:19] you so we are at item 7D and police

[1:21:23] vehicle purchase Brad thank you mayor

[1:21:26] we'll do this the third time here

[1:21:27] hopefully um the notified late October

[1:21:30] by both new way and Champion Ford that

[1:21:33] um Ford was releasing their 24 models

[1:21:36] for bid um so we discussed that one at

[1:21:40] the council meeting I believe that night

[1:21:41] that we were the last council meeting we

[1:21:42] had about this um I did receive bids

[1:21:45] from Champion Ford and from New Way Ford

[1:21:48] we were not able to get a state bid for

[1:21:50] comparison for the third bid due to the

[1:21:52] fact fact that they're not ready yet so

[1:21:54] champion in a new way moved faster than

[1:21:56] the state did on this one to get his bid

[1:21:58] prices um one of the purchases is from

[1:22:01] last fiscal year and one is for this

[1:22:03] current fiscal year and the bids were

[1:22:06] put out and received by new way in

[1:22:08] Champion Ford within about 24 hours um

[1:22:11] newa Ford was the low bid by with a

[1:22:15] total bid of 91,4 $456 for the two

[1:22:19] vehicles um by only receiving two bids

[1:22:21] though we will need to wave the purchase

[1:22:24] policy 501 if we're to move forward with

[1:22:26] this bid and then we will also be

[1:22:28] selling a vehicle on gov deals um if we get these get a vehicle in this

[1:22:34] time so the plan will be to have no

[1:22:36] trade in but then the ton seld on go

[1:22:38] deals which we had planned to do back in

[1:22:40] the

[1:22:41] 2023 fiscal year also so if there is any

[1:22:46] questions I'll feel free to answer them

[1:22:47] otherwise my recommendation would be to

[1:22:49] accept the bid well first we have to

[1:22:50] wave the purchase policy 501 accept the

[1:22:52] bid for the two vehicles from New Way

[1:22:54] Ford and then also uh approve the sale

[1:22:57] of the 2008 Ford police interceptor

[1:22:59] through the gov deals auction

[1:23:01] site got a question on the sale one will

[1:23:04] be good enough for the airport one of

[1:23:06] those used ones pass on this one okay

[1:23:10] you

[1:23:11] could it's going to have a lot of miles

[1:23:13] on it by the time we are done with it so

[1:23:15] we spend what5 $600 a month now rent

[1:23:18] something that we could eliminate I mean

[1:23:20] it's a it's it's possibility you're it's

[1:23:22] probably going to have 130 plus th000

[1:23:24] miles on it um of police driving

[1:23:27] so it also has a water pump on the back

[1:23:30] of the motor which if you have any

[1:23:33] knowledge of cost about 3,000 to replace

[1:23:36] so

[1:23:42] jeez okay so you heard the

[1:23:45] recommendation is there a motion to that

[1:23:50] effect second and then seconded by Le um

[1:23:54] any further discussion hearing none roll

[1:23:57] call please D yes sh yes Sean yes power

[1:24:02] yes B

[1:24:06] yes that's fine yeah motion is yeah

[1:24:13] thank

[1:24:14] you that did include I I kind of missed

[1:24:18] that there's a a second part of that to

[1:24:20] sell the other one on govdeals.com

[1:24:22] least that'll be the intention for right

[1:24:24] now the intent correct yeah sorry I kind

[1:24:25] of we see we get the plan is to I think

[1:24:28] production is set for January February

[1:24:30] for the 24 models it's a quick

[1:24:36] window well El say she's a whole new

[1:24:39] ball game today folks okay um we are at

[1:24:43] the end of tonight's agenda then under

[1:24:46] committee reports they're in our packet

[1:24:49] comments from the mayor I have none

[1:24:51] other than my uh reiterate my earlier

[1:24:54] comment about business development

[1:24:57] agreements and then comments from the

[1:24:59] city council it's nice to see Adam

[1:25:01] Street done very nice

[1:25:05] yeah anything else comments from the

[1:25:07] city manager you heard from me enough

[1:25:09] tonight Thomas we're at that moment is

[1:25:13] there a second second and JJ any further

[1:25:16] discussion hearing none roll call power

[1:25:19] yes yes yes yes it

[1:25:24] yes thank you

Carroll City Council Meeting - November 13, 2023

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