[0:05] And to pursue it to the governor's executive order and the continuing COVID crisis. This is a hybrid meeting. We are meeting here in person. And we are also meeting in on Zoom when the agenda was scheduled.

[0:26] All right.

[0:27] When the agenda was posted, it gave instructions how people would join us by Zoom. So if you have joined us by Zoom, welcome. We also have some people here in the city hall.

[0:36] All of you may know that there has been an order issued here in Cathedral City that all people inside City Hall shall be wearing a mask, whether vaccinated or not.

[0:47] And so we will be wearing a mask during this meeting unless we are actively drinking or eating.

[0:54] And so don't be surprised when you see us all mask up. That's what's going on.

[0:58] All right. I will officially call this meeting to order.

[1:01] and we will start off with the pledge of allegiance. I'll lead the pledge and then I ask you to stand for that and then remain standing for the moment of reflection

[1:08] which will be given by Council Member Ross.

[1:13] Please, your hand over your heart.

[1:16] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

[1:23] One nation under God, indibisible with liberty and justice for all.

[1:33] It's been more than seven months since I joined this illustrious council and I love most every moment.

[1:40] But I do, like many of you, have the propensity to put in too much on my plate.

[1:46] There are so many worthy projects. It can be overwhelming.

[1:49] So today I just wanted to remind you that any task in life is easier if we approach it with that one of a time, one at a time,

[1:57] attitude. That doesn't mean we can only deal with one issue in life at a time, but rather

[2:02] to keep in mind if you find yourself at any one-time chasing two rabbits, they will certainly

[2:07] both get away. None of us are able to do everything all at once. We must elect what is important,

[2:13] what is possible, and begin where we are with what we have. And if we begin, and if we

[2:20] keep going, the weight, the worry, and what sometimes can be a voluminous feeling will begin

[2:25] lift. We can't do everything always but we can always do something now and doing something will

[2:32] help lift your spirits and even prepare you for the next project or adventure. Plato said

[2:37] the beginning is the most important part and I couldn't agree more. So start something new

[2:42] and lift your heart and in doing so perhaps you can lift the heart of others. Thank you.

[2:54] And thank you for those inspiring words.

[2:59] You're all right. The next item on our agenda is

[3:11] All right, the next item on our agenda is agenda finalization.

[3:16] Are there any changes to today's agenda by staff?

[3:20] I have no changes, Mayor.

[3:21] By City Council.

[3:24] Seeing none.

[3:25] We'll move forward.

[3:26] The next item is public comment.

[3:27] This is the opportunity for members of the public to comment on any item.

[3:30] is not appearing on our regular agenda.

[3:33] A reminder that because of restrictions contained in California law, the City Council can't

[3:38] discuss or act on any item that's not on the agenda, but might briefly respond to statements

[3:42] made or ask a question for clarification.

[3:45] You could also request response from staff or that the matter be placed on a future agenda.

[3:51] If we feel that it needs to be, public comment will be limited to three minutes.

[3:54] If you've joined us by Zoom, this would be the time for you to use the raised hand feature on your device, or dials our nine if you joined us by telephone, if you wish to make comments on the item that's not on the agenda.

[4:08] If you've joined us in person and have turned in a speaker card, the clerk will call on you and if at the end you still want to speak and you haven't turned in a speaker card, please raise your hand and indicate.

[4:23] So, so we'll go turn it over to the city clerk.

[4:26] Thank you, Mayor.

[4:27] So we'll start with the participants on Zoom.

[4:30] I have Danny Lee, who has raised his hand,

[4:32] who would like to speak, and I will allow him to speak right now.

[4:39] All right.

[4:39] Welcome, Danny Lee.

[4:43] I hope you can hear me.

[4:44] I'm not sure.

[4:45] We can hear you.

[4:46] Oh, good.

[4:47] Okay.

[4:49] So, good evening, Mr. Mayor.

[4:54] I want to talk briefly tonight about household communications with residents and start by saying that we do a general in a great job both the stuff that Chris Poland does for the public and the recording of Council and Commission meetings which is then available to play back at your leisure.

[5:17] But I wanted a question or prompt you to think about a policy that the Council has adopted.

[5:26] And that is that you will not record the non-mandatory meetings.

[5:31] Those are things like at your corner meet the chiefs and any special sessions.

[5:37] Now today, for example, I had a meeting so I couldn't attend a lot of the study session.

[5:43] I'll watch it tomorrow, because I can do that via video playback.

[5:48] But if I go back a few weeks, I wanted to see the interviews for commission members and I couldn't.

[5:56] And the reason for that was that it was a special session and you do not recall the special sessions.

[6:03] I'm not really able to understand the difference between these different types of meetings.

[6:09] I've heard it said that making people who would speak more freely, if they know it's not being recorded,

[6:16] but looking around at this meeting and all the economy things that I've ever attended,

[6:23] I don't think any of the people speaking would be put off by knowing that the meeting was being recorded.

[6:30] I would encourage you to consider changing that policy, recording those meetings, and increasing

[6:40] the flow of very good information, which comes out of those meetings to the broader

[6:45] community.

[6:46] Thank you very much.

[6:48] Thank you very much.

[6:52] Who's next?

[6:53] I don't see any other hands on Zoom at this time, so we will go to those that have turned

[6:58] and request to speak forms in the first speaker I have as Mark Dirkton?

[7:10] Welcome.

[7:11] Thank you.

[7:13] Hi.

[7:13] My name is Mark Dirkton and I have been a resident at Cathedral City for 20 years.

[7:19] I represent the applicant for CUP-19-419 to incorporate an events center at the former

[7:26] Burlington Code Factory south of the Amazon warehouse on day palm drive.

[7:31] My reason for appearing before you tonight is to recap our experience with the planning

[7:35] commission. Our first meeting with the Planning Commission was on May 19, 2021. The staff

[7:42] recommended approval for the CUP at this time, but the Planning Commission decided

[7:47] to postpone until July 7. At the July 7 meeting, again with staffs recommendation of approval

[7:55] for the CUP, the Commission allowed no discussion and postpone the matter until August 4.

[8:03] Between May 19th and August 4th, the applicant and the staff had five meetings.

[8:09] The staff refused to remove the off-site improvement conditions and the applicant continued

[8:15] their rejection of those conditions.

[8:18] This impasse prompted the applicant to include a condition of approval list at the fourth meeting

[8:25] based on the staff's report.

[8:27] The 232 staff conditions, the applicant agreed with 155 of them, disregarding those conditions

[8:35] affecting off-site alterations.

[8:38] At the August 4 meeting, the project was presented to and discussed by the commissioners

[8:43] still with the staff's recommendation of approval for the CUP.

[8:49] The attorney advised the commissioners that they could not approve the CUP if the applicant

[8:54] did not agree to all of the staff's conditions that were used to consider the conditions presented

[9:00] by the applicant. At this point, the commissioners determined that the CUP was no longer

[9:07] permissible to the zone. Instead of making a ruling, they decided to adopt the resolution

[9:13] of their intent. So we are again postponed now to a fourth meeting without an approval or denial

[9:20] result.

[9:21] This begs the question, why is the Invent Center considered authorized as long as the applicant

[9:27] pays to renovate the city's right away, but if the applicant does not agree to pay

[9:33] an Invent Center is no longer viable at this location, nevertheless, despite the outcome

[9:40] of the following planning commissioners meeting, this process will appear before you want

[9:46] appeal.

[9:48] Thank you.

[9:48] All right.

[9:49] Thank you.

[9:50] Next comment.

[9:53] The next speaker is Rich Eaton.

[10:00] Welcome there, council.

[10:01] Thank you for your time.

[10:03] I'm here representing the Valt dispensary

[10:05] lounge and also the 13 or 14 other dispensaries in the city.

[10:10] Not sure what the number is at today as we speak.

[10:14] The issue is cannabis tax.

[10:17] I could stand up here for 45 minutes and try to school you up on the

[10:21] press of tax, the 10% tax that you have levied on, cannabis in the city.

[10:27] But I won't.

[10:28] What I am going to request is, everyone in the city, every business, every human, every working

[10:34] person has gotten help from the government from this pandemic.

[10:39] The city itself has received several million dollars.

[10:42] Cannabis has received zero.

[10:44] While we continue to pay and try to stay open with no tourism, no second homes, no anything.

[10:52] Hotels are dead. We're struggling. Yet we have the tax. Yes, it's a pass through, but what

[10:58] the tax is doing, it's holding people back from buying legal cannabis. So they're flourishing

[11:05] the black market. Because the people that aren't working, the people that can't afford to pay

[11:09] tax, don't pay it. They go to the corner and pay it. What I'm proposing is the city

[11:15] give retail dispensaries a three month break on the 10% tax. You can supplement that

[11:22] with the millions of millions you've got in CARES Act money, supplement it for three

[11:26] months and let's look at the numbers. I did it March of 2020. I paid the tax for our customers

[11:33] for a full month. I know the data. I know what it did. No one wants to see it. I'm begging you.

[11:41] Three months is all I ask. You'll see the numbers if I'm wrong. Let's go back to the 10%

[11:46] if I'm right. Let's sit down and come up with a number that works. Thank you. All right. Thank you for your

[11:53] comments.

[11:56] That is all the requests to speak forms that I received. Is there anyone in the audience that

[12:00] wishes to address the council at this time? All right. I want to go ahead and close public

[12:06] comment on items not on the agenda. And move forward on our agenda. Our first item is a

[12:13] little unusual, but we do have a council action that we're going to be made, especially

[12:18] that has to do with the fire department acquisition of a donated water tender city manager.

[12:25] Thank you, Mayor. And I'll try not to say too much so that I don't give the chief's entire

[12:29] presentation, but I think this is a great example of two neighboring cities working together

[12:35] for the betterment of our respective communities.

[12:39] I'll let Chief Muir tell you a little bit about the truck that was donated to the City of

[12:45] Cathedral City by Palm Springs and then we have a representative of the Palm Springs

[12:50] fire department that is on the Zoom call as well.

[12:53] Chief.

[12:54] Good evening,

[12:58] Council. Again, I come before you to request that we accept a donation from

[13:05] Palm Springs Fire Department. A back last year, Palm Springs Fire Department ordered a brand new

[13:13] water tender. And for those of you that aren't aware of what a water tender is, it's basically

[13:19] a very large water truck. And I struggled with how they explained this real well except for

[13:26] to put it in real layman's terms, when we have fires out on the freeways, a good example would be a tractor trailer type incident.

[13:37] We send our engines out there, and of course there are no hydrants that are located on I can, so we use the water that we carry on our fire apparatus.

[13:46] A fire engine carries about 500 gallons of water, and to give you an idea of what a water

[13:53] tender can carry, this particular one that they're replacing has a 3,000 gallon capacity.

[14:01] That would equate to six round trip drives onto the eye pin with one of our fire engines.

[14:09] So it carries a sizable amount of water, and for obvious reasons you can see what the

[14:15] benefits will be to us, both on the freeway as well, as well as north of the freeway.

[14:23] So when they replace this apparatus this last year, they brought their current water

[14:30] tender up for surplus, and at the same time, we caught wind of that and requested our

[14:40] purchasing that piece of equipment. The fire chief in return said, we would actually be willing

[14:47] to donate it to Cathedral City. With certain terms that, of course, we would make that available

[14:54] to them in the future, should they need added water tender service.

[15:00] So, with that, if you look up on the screen, you'll see in the slide, it gives some basics.

[15:09] So, you can see the picture of the waterpinder. It also has a fire pump on it.

[15:14] It's a 1999 international, the chassis, and it was fabricated by Pierce Fire Apparatus,

[15:25] which is the exact company that Palm Springs, as well as cathedral cities,

[15:30] uses for our fire engines. So it's a very quality piece of equipment. And in fact,

[15:36] I believe it has less than 20,000 miles on it. So this will be a piece of equipment that we can

[15:43] and I can't be for you guys tonight to request your permission, with us tonight is Deputy Chief

[15:52] lawyer from the Palm Springs Fire Department. And if you have any questions, he would be happy.

[15:58] I'm sure to speak on Palm Springs behalf.

[16:05] All right, thank you very much, Chief. Council, do you have any questions of the Chief or Mr.

[16:10] before we take public comment.

[16:12] Just one question.

[16:14] Are we going to be able to put Palm Springs off

[16:16] and put Cathedral City on the side of the truck?

[16:20] That will be about the only fiscal impact.

[16:24] Thank you.

[16:26] All right.

[16:26] Thank you, Chief.

[16:27] Thank you, Councilmember.

[16:30] All right.

[16:30] We'll go ahead and open this up for public comment.

[16:32] We're considering a resolution,

[16:34] accepting a 1999 National Water Tender

[16:38] the city of Palm Springs Fire Department.

[16:42] Is there anyone in the public that wishes to speak in this item either on Zoom?

[16:45] If you are on Zoom and you wish to use the raise hand feature or hear on the audience

[16:49] if you turn in a speaker card or otherwise signal the clerk.

[16:55] Hey, are you seeing no hands raised on Zoom?

[16:57] I did not receive any request to speak forms.

[16:59] Is there any member of the public that wishes to speak on this item?

[17:04] All right, well, we'll return it back to the council for further comments or a vote.

[17:11] If anyone wants to make the motion.

[17:14] Before you make the motion, I just want to tell fire chief.

[17:21] I guess you are fire chief, Louia.

[17:23] How very, very grateful we are that you would make such a generous donation to our city.

[17:28] And, of course, for life-saving equipment.

[17:29] Thank you.

[17:30] Thank you very much. I'm sure from all of us.

[17:34] You're very welcome. If I may speak.

[17:38] The original, the original.

[17:41] When we acquired and purchased, this was funds assisted by the Awakau anti-band of Kuia Indians as well.

[17:48] So its original purpose was to protect tribal and city lands.

[17:53] So it's definitely an honor for both departments to be able to, you know,

[18:02] Thank you for your consideration.

[18:04] Thank you.

[18:04] That's very interesting.

[18:06] Information and I'm sure we'll continue to be used for that.

[18:08] But we have to wait for the vote.

[18:11] So if Council of you would please go on your screen.

[18:14] It's waiting for somebody to make the motion.

[18:19] All right.

[18:19] We have a motion by Mayor Pertem Gutierrez.

[18:22] And the second by Council Member Carnival.

[18:23] Please vote.

[18:36] Do you need assistance?

[18:38] Council Member Ross.

[18:39] Well, I'm just a little screen and I keep clicking it.

[18:41] But it's just a little hand that's going like that.

[18:44] It wants to grab the yes, so the answer is yes, I need help.

[18:51] Let me just see if I can.

[18:52] But I really explained it to make it sound like it wasn't my fault.

[18:57] So, the motion carries all eyes.

[19:02] Thank you.

[19:03] Thank you, the motion carries.

[19:05] Chief Loia, thank you very much for this donation.

[19:09] We do have the ceremonial resolution that we will be forwarding to you along with our

[19:16] and it's always great when partner agencies and partner cities like we are.

[19:23] I mean we work together daily so that's nothing new but it's always great when we can have some type of a formal physical manifestation of our partnership.

[19:35] and so this is a great one here, one that will continue to benefit both the city of Cathedral City,

[19:41] the city of Palm Springs, and the Awakali and the Bandakwia Indians.

[19:46] So thank you so much for all your work and bring this forward, and thank you to you for helping

[19:51] make this happen.

[20:00] All right, if there's nothing further on the side, I'm going to move on to our next item

[20:03] on the agenda, which is Council Reports and we'll start if she's ready with Council Member Ross.

[20:09] It's ready.

[20:10] I'm going to be here.

[20:14] I'm not ready.

[20:16] Good evening.

[20:18] The day after our last meeting, I met with the Cathedral City Chamber Chair Bill Noble

[20:22] to discuss the agreement and contract we had made between the city and the Chamber and how

[20:27] each of us thought we could use those services to add value to our collaboration into the

[20:31] city.

[20:33] That afternoon, I met with Manager Press Grove, a public works along with Karen Rylev's

[20:37] Grapp Gallery to start to implement ideas for children's programs that we can introduce

[20:41] into the city. Many fine ideas came out of it and I'm sure you'll hear more in the coming

[20:45] months. As a result of that meeting, I put in about 30 hours of work over the next week,

[20:50] fleshing out ideas and proposals to make sure that all of our commissions would have buy in

[20:54] an ownership long before anything is presented to Council. I will continue to help in any way

[20:59] that is meaningful. At our meeting on the fourth last Wednesday, we fared it out how the mayor

[21:04] rotation should and shall be carried out. It was confusing in its current language, but we were

[21:09] able to fix it, and to clarify what it is that Council valued as far as fairness, while at

[21:15] the same time valuing experience. In the end, it was in unanimous consent in our attorney

[21:20] Erickville, we'll be bringing the final language back to Council soon. During the last three

[21:25] weeks, I've taken meetings with 12 of our business owners in District 2, just checking in to

[21:29] see what it is they need if there was anything that I could help them with, and how they're

[21:34] doing this year compared to last letting them know that the city is a true partner in their

[21:38] success. As a result, I have some things to work on there too. I've been working on improving

[21:46] my social media presence. Anybody who has looked at it knows it needed it. I realize this

[21:51] is how many people receive their news about the city. I want to reach as many people as possible

[21:55] with updates and information, so it's something that doesn't come naturally to me wish me

[22:00] luck. Also, I've started notes from Nancy, which is a blurb of information that I'll provide

[22:04] each of my eight gated or at least private areas within the district

[22:08] for their monthly newsletters starting in October.

[22:11] I'm continuing moving forward on a sweeping program,

[22:14] but the next step will be community meetings,

[22:16] and I am a bit sheepish with inviting people

[22:18] into enclosed areas right now.

[22:20] So we will have to wait until our COVID numbers start falling

[22:23] again, but my invitations and presentations are ready to go.

[22:27] I personally hosted it in a party for 10 vaccinated adults,

[22:31] and not adults, both of course, they were adults, neighbors

[22:33] at our home. And it was a reminder of how much friends mean to us. Don't lose track of yours.

[22:39] And speaking of friends, I will in my comments with a reminder of the upcoming dinner

[22:43] with Patsy that will take place next Wednesday night at none other than Tortilla's

[22:47] restaurant. This month, the nonprofit support goes to the Cathedral City Senior Center

[22:52] Bob and I'll be there and we hope to see you there too. Thank you.

[22:56] Thank you so much, councilmember. Next up is councilmember Lam.

[23:05] Thank you so much and

[23:06] welcome back everybody. I had an opportunity to participate in a field trip and this was

[23:14] to Shumway Ranch, which was up high way 74. And as a council member for Kathy to City, I

[23:22] represent the Coachella Valley Mountain Conservancy. So there were several of us who wanted

[23:28] to know more about that. And so we had this opportunity to visit Shumway and learn that it was

[23:35] original homestead, and as taxpayers, we have our vested interest in preserving this property

[23:43] and it is purchased by the Mountain Conservancy. We also took a trip to Whitewater Preserve,

[23:50] and I want to say how appreciative and honored I am to be part of a community that

[23:58] that preserves our the natural wildlife.

[24:02] And this is purchased by the wildlife,

[24:04] wild landscape and serene conservancy.

[24:07] And for those of you that have lives in the desert

[24:09] for a long, long time, it used to be the white water

[24:12] trout farm that was open to the public.

[24:13] It's still open to the public.

[24:16] No trout.

[24:18] I wanted to certainly shout out to John Carellan

[24:22] and public works in engineering.

[24:25] And I had commented before that our resident in the cove had talked about this little basketball court that was unloved.

[24:35] And he sent public works out to refurbish it and put a new net in and send out a little boy.

[24:41] And he can shoot hoops and I really appreciate bringing that to my attention.

[24:45] And also I had some people talk about the overwhelming interest in pickleball and what we

[24:53] could do in our community to look at some possibilities for pickleball courts, so we're

[25:00] going to be pursuing that.

[25:02] I want to remind you too that we're part of the nine cities challenge for the blood drive.

[25:07] I had an opportunity to participate that, but there are two more dates coming up.

[25:12] One is August 25th, which is a Wednesday, and August 26th Thursday, the August 25th

[25:18] is at Northgate Church, and the Thursday is at Palm Springs Motors.

[25:24] So, if you just sit and get on the ball, we certainly need your participation in this

[25:29] because our community needs the blood, needs the help.

[25:34] For catheter city elementary school, Jessica Whiteman was our principal, and she has moved to

[25:39] on Springs Unified School District District offices

[25:42] Director of Elementary Curriculum.

[25:45] And the new principal there is Renda Santana.

[25:48] I have yet to meet her, but I'm looking forward to it.

[25:52] Coronavirus story time has been renamed.

[25:54] Good people city story time.

[25:56] Made in Rochester, and on that, we'll have an opportunity

[25:59] to hear our latest update on the Coronavirus

[26:02] and how it's still impacting our community.

[26:08] I belong to the Moon Rotary.

[26:11] We have since gone back to Zoom meetings for the month of August because of coronavirus

[26:16] considerations and vacation time, and I did send my money and already for the evening

[26:24] Rotary.

[26:25] They're going to have the Mayors Golf Tournament in December.

[26:28] So I've been threatening to dust off my golf clubs for a year, so this may be the year.

[26:33] I guess I ended up for four, so it should be fun.

[26:38] And the Senior Center, Cathedral City Senior Center,

[26:41] as Councilwoman Ross talked about they're doing such an amazing job,

[26:47] and for those of you that are interested in programs that are available,

[26:51] I want to hold this up because this is their newly formatted program schedule,

[26:55] and on the very back of it, it has all the Coachella Valley Senior Resource

[27:00] available and they're contact telephone numbers and it's an English and Spanish.

[27:04] So it's a wonderful resource.

[27:06] Don't miss out.

[27:08] We have our 40th anniversary celebration of the incorporation of

[27:12] Cathedral City and that is going to be that next meeting is

[27:18] next Tuesday at 2 o'clock and Councilman Carnival and I participate in that.

[27:24] And I do want you to know this great article on was in the paper about

[27:29] are cathedral city high school lions.

[27:32] They were four and one last year, four victories.

[27:35] And we're grateful to have back.

[27:39] O. Sh. Wallace and Frankie Valentino.

[27:42] They are seniors this year.

[27:43] So we're looking, but they had a short and abbreviated year

[27:45] because of COVID.

[27:47] But hopefully this year, they'll be off and running.

[27:49] So thank you so much for listening.

[27:55] Thank you so much for your comments.

[27:57] Council member Lam.

[27:58] Next up is Council member Carnivali.

[28:00] Mr. Mayor, I'll be brief.

[28:03] The beginning of this month that was pretty light for me.

[28:06] Most of my committees are dark and I'll just,

[28:09] and I'll be attending a couple by the end of this month,

[28:13] the annual committee.

[28:15] I'll be chairing that this Thursday,

[28:18] and the next week I'll be attending a homeless committee meeting.

[28:25] And then tomorrow I will attend,

[28:27] I think we very interesting.

[28:28] the league is putting on a round table meeting about homeless and funding, which is always a

[28:34] big deal, see if we can get some funds on that. I've spoken to a few constituents, a couple

[28:41] on the noise still with STVRs, I'm asking to be patient, the system's working, you know, it's

[28:50] winding down. And then I've had a couple constituents call that very concerned about the rising

[28:55] amount of COVID cases in the city and what we're going to do about it and later on the agenda

[29:00] we'll be discussing what the catheter city is doing, what we plan on doing, very important.

[29:08] I want to, I spoke with Chief Crum about the funding of the Office of Architecture City

[29:13] High School.

[29:14] I really appreciate his hard work and commitment to combating that and seeing if we can get

[29:21] an officer back on.

[29:22] know we've met with the school board, I don't know what happened there but possibly he'll meet

[29:27] with soon and we could find out but thank you Chief for speaking up and keeping our high school

[29:33] students and staff there safe and appreciate your hard work and that's it Mr. Mayor. Thank you.

[29:40] Thank you very much councilmember. Mayor of Rotten Gutier is your turn. Thank you Mr. Mayor.

[29:45] Good evening everyone. I hope everyone's staying healthy at home. I recently had a medical checkup

[29:52] and in minor pursuits you completed, which I was

[29:55] out of commission for a very short time, everything went well,

[29:59] and I was given it.

[30:00] Clean Bill Health. On Tuesday, I guess, a third, I participated in a panel which interviewed and got to hear from

[30:08] the top applicants who applied for the next city, for the net to be the next assistant city manager.

[30:15] There was a great pool of candidates, all of them, which will make great city managers.

[30:20] assistance to managers.

[30:23] We interviewed a total of seven candidates and

[30:27] rest assured that the position will be filled by well-qualified individual.

[30:32] Now, the following day, along with the colleagues with my colleagues, I also

[30:35] participated in these special city council workshop. I made with our city manager

[30:41] to go over to NASA gender. I also met with our police chief, Chief Crum, in which we talked

[30:49] about many issues, many different issues.

[30:52] And the great news is that our city will be a little bit safer

[30:56] or crimes will be actually solved,

[31:00] will be easier to solve in the new future in certain neighborhoods

[31:03] in within our city.

[31:06] I also had many interactions with residents via email,

[31:11] phone conversations, and the in-person.

[31:14] And as usual, I drove on the city only to see

[31:17] that I'm looking forward and hiring new

[31:21] code enforcement officers in the new future to

[31:23] beautify our city.

[31:26] As you know, this is a public announcement for

[31:29] the residents is getting hot and our AC systems

[31:33] are constantly running and our energy prices are going up.

[31:37] And I want to make sure that our residents who can take

[31:40] advantage of the low income,

[31:42] electrical rates can do so.

[31:45] is called the California Alternative Read for Energy, or Care Program, in which oil and

[31:51] income families can qualify and save up to 30 percent. The other program is if there's three

[31:57] or more that live in a residence that can also save up to 30 percent in energy rates. If you're

[32:04] interested, call Southern California medicine at 800-798-5723. I also want to express my

[32:15] and I gratitude to our police chief ground for a voicing his opinion in regards to the

[32:21] Ponspin School District in regards to the school resource officer. This is a silent

[32:28] way to actually defund the police. The Boris put in our teachers, students, and the

[32:34] community in danger by defunding the police, but removing the school resource officer from

[32:40] from our high schools.

[32:42] The board is putting politics in front of our children.

[32:45] If you are dissatisfied with the decision from the school board,

[32:49] the Ponscience University of the School Board, please contact them and let it know.

[32:54] I pray that nothing ever happens, but if it does, it will not be the fault of our police

[32:59] chief.

[32:59] So thank you, Chief, for voting your concerns and data for citizens and our families here.

[33:06] And that concludes my board with us.

[33:11] Thank you very much, Mayor Pro Tem.

[33:15] So as was noted, our last regular meeting was Wednesday, July 28th, so this is our first regular

[33:20] meeting in August, but it's not our first meeting, because we did have our special meeting

[33:24] on August 4th.

[33:26] So hopefully some of you got to join us on Zoom.

[33:29] As I mentioned, we discussed the ordinance that dealt with Council of Rotation for the positions

[33:37] of Mayor Pro Tem and Mayor, and we'll be seeing something coming forward in the next couple

[33:40] meetings to formalize that and for final review and hopeful approval.

[33:46] The old ordinance, as has been mentioned, was out of date and needed to be updated.

[33:52] We also discussed how to place items on the agenda and agenda management for the council.

[33:58] And I think that discussion went well and will bear fruit in the future, as far as making

[34:02] sure that the items that need to be taken care of for the city of Cathedral City are

[34:06] And so in an orderly way, and that are properly prioritized,

[34:10] so we don't let more immediate matters necessarily override

[34:17] the hard business that sometimes we have to tend to.

[34:22] So along with my colleagues, I also had time.

[34:25] Now that we have a little bit of break on some of our side jobs

[34:27] to meet with staff and residents, and correspond with them.

[34:31] Often on Zoom, I also got some correspondence.

[34:36] So I was able to speak to some people about the COVID concerns, which, again, will be dressed later tonight.

[34:41] There's also been some activity regarding the parks and questions and information that we were able to share, including some activity going on with our soccer park and also spoke with a representative of the Chamber and others.

[34:59] So we're able to make good use of this time.

[35:01] So I also, you know, sometimes in all the different forms of government, things happen, and I don't think they're necessarily well thought through.

[35:13] And as has been mentioned, we were recently informed at the last moment that the Paul Springs Unified School District had decided to make a change regarding their security and their school resource officer program.

[35:28] And change is a good thing, and I think it's widely recognized that how we have used our police in the community, which would include the schools,

[35:42] and what they've, although they have locally always acted admirably, I'm not aware of any issues, but it certainly is something that we welcome the review, and I know our police department does too, but unfortunately,

[35:57] actually an action was taken. I don't think was well thought out, and they were withdrawn from

[36:05] the schools. The school resource officers were, including the one here in Cathedral City,

[36:11] while the school district studied what to do and making changes. It's also fair to note that

[36:17] although the school district says that they haven't permanently withdraw them and they put money

[36:23] in the budget for school resources officers.

[36:25] I also quietly mentioned that they have only budgeted half

[36:29] of what they expect it to actually cost.

[36:32] So I don't know what that means, but I'm sure that'll

[36:34] be, that'll come out in the negotiations.

[36:38] But sometimes in government, it's easier, especially

[36:42] when another government does something like that for us

[36:45] not say anything.

[36:47] So I do want to join my colleagues in thanking our police chief

[36:52] for stepping up. I know it's very uncomfortable to do so, but we make a point of being very

[36:58] transparent in our actions. We feel that our citizens need to know the possible results of

[37:05] actions and so I thank you for taking the courage to step up and let our citizens know

[37:14] what our school resource officers do here at least in Cathedral City, how well they're trained

[37:22] the supervision that you give them, and what the consequences will be of them not being in

[37:28] the schools, even for this interim period of time.

[37:32] So I know that the chief and his department are taking actions to try to make sure even

[37:41] though he doesn't have an officer in the school that the kids are safe, things continue to

[37:46] at the schools, that's just the way of life, but I, and I know this is an ongoing story, so

[37:54] I don't want to be labor of the point, but I do want to join my colleagues, and thank you

[37:58] for taking the courage to not let this pass without letting our local citizens know the results.

[38:05] So, thank you very much, Chief.

[38:07] All right, and with that, I want to make sure everyone is aware.

[38:09] We do have another special meeting, and again, thanks Council and staff for agreeing to

[38:14] be a series of special meetings so that we can cover issues in detail.

[38:18] But our next meeting, a week from today, we will be having a Zoom meeting at 2 p.m.

[38:26] So please plan to join us.

[38:27] If you're interested, our subject will be billboards, I believe, and a Council goal was to

[38:33] look at our billboards in the city, many of them are on tribal land, but some of them

[38:38] on private land with the angle of addressing how we may wish to reduce the number of billboards

[38:46] in the city so that's what's on our agenda for next Wednesday at 2 o'clock so please

[38:51] plan on joining us if you're interested.

[38:55] All right, if there's nothing further there we'll go ahead and move on with our agenda the next

[39:00] item on our agenda is the consent agenda item A and B and I will turn it over to the city clerk

[39:06] in the consent agenda.

[39:09] We do have just two items on the consent agenda this evening.

[39:13] Item number four A is to waive for reading of ordinances on agenda.

[39:17] And item number four B is the approval of the July 28, 2021 city council.

[39:23] A steady session and regular city council minutes.

[39:25] All right, thank you very much.

[39:27] Council, do you have any questions or any items that you want to pull before we open it up for public comment?

[39:33] Seeing none, go ahead and open the public comment.

[39:35] If you have a comment on an item on the consent agenda,

[39:39] and you join this by Zoom, please indicate that you wish to speak

[39:42] by using a raise hand feature, or a dollar and a dollar and a dollar

[39:44] and if you join this by telephone, or if you're here in the audience,

[39:47] we hope you have filled out a speaker card, but if you have and you can indicate

[39:50] Kate by raising hand, the clerk will call on you.

[39:53] City Clerk.

[39:55] So at this time, I don't see any hands raised via Zoom.

[39:58] I did not receive any request to speak forms.

[40:00] Is there any member of the public that wishes to speak on the consent agenda?

[40:04] All right, seeing none, we'll go ahead and return it back to the Council for further discussion

[40:08] or a vote or motion.

[40:17] All right, I have a motion to approve by Council Member Lam a second by Council Member

[40:21] Connor Novali, please vote.

[40:26] Are you still having trouble?

[40:28] This is my new child vote.

[40:30] Okay.

[40:31] Yes.

[40:31] And your vote is yes.

[40:33] All right.

[40:34] So that item approved is approved, five zero, move on with the next item we had no items pulled

[40:40] of public hearings, so we're into our legislative actions, and our first legislative action

[40:44] is actually going to start off with interviews, and then we will, we will make a possible

[40:50] appointment, and this is the interview of applicants for the Palm Springs International Airport

[40:54] Commission.

[40:54] Mr. City Manager.

[40:58] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[40:58] When you interviewed for your other boards and commissions back in June, we had no candidates

[41:05] for the opening on the airport commission at that time.

[41:08] subsequently we now have three and we're very pleased about that and they are here tonight

[41:16] to answer your questions and then this is a agenda is such a way that after the interviews

[41:22] you can make an appointment.

[41:26] So who's scheduled first, Tracy?

[41:29] I have Greg Gregorian that's going to go first. So when the council is ready, I'll move them over.

[41:34] The clerk will move the man as you're ready for them and you can go ahead and proceed as you normally do on interviews.

[41:42] All right, I think we are ready.

[41:44] Seekler, could you go ahead and move Mr. Gregorian in?

[41:48] So we can...

[41:49] So there will be a slight delay because we want to see him up on the screen as opposed to this.

[41:53] Yes.

[41:55] So Mr. Gregorian and everyone else is going to be interviewed.

[41:58] Be aware that when the city clerk moves you and there is a short delay.

[42:00] So don't panic, you should be able to be moved over and then we'll be able to see you.

[42:10] So he has moved over and I see him, but I do not see his video, so maybe.

[42:14] Alright, welcome Mr. Gregorian. You've been moved and joined in with our meeting if you could please unmute yourself

[42:20] and turn on your video if you wish.

[42:27] Mr. Gregorian, are you there?

[42:35] Mr. Gregorian.

[42:39] Please unmute yourself if you're there.

[42:42] All right, City Clerk. I'm going to guess that maybe he stepped away from his computer.

[42:46] So I'm going to move him back over just so we...

[42:49] If you would.

[42:53] Oh, there he is.

[42:56] Mr. Gregorian, thank you for joining us. If you'd please unmute.

[43:04] Oh, well, no.

[43:04] There you are. All right. Thank you.

[43:06] And thank you for your interest in the Palm Springs International Air Commission or Airport Commission.

[43:11] Well, let's start off if you can tell the council a little about yourself while you're

[43:15] interested in serving and what makes you a good candidate for the Palm Springs International Airport Commission.

[43:22] Yes, I'm a member of the members of the city council.

[43:26] First of all, my apology because I'm talking from our meeting, so I'm not in U.S.

[43:32] So there's a pleasant problem with the video or audio, my apology.

[43:36] And then coming to the main question, well, since I was a child, my grandfather was a pilot.

[43:45] So, my being with the plane and everything, it was, I was in enthusiasm in the airplane.

[43:52] So, for so, and I was a pilot, but coming back to the airport operation,

[43:59] In 2001, I was at the City Commission of Water on Power Institute of Glendale.

[44:06] So I was appointed as the interim commissioner in Burbank airport.

[44:13] Then I find out that my lobby is there and I get started to get involved in administration

[44:21] and FAA regulation, and find out that maybe it should be some ways that we can improve the transportation,

[44:33] because F-plane is a major transportation vehicle right now.

[44:39] And of course, we did have this COVID-19 situation, but it's coming back.

[44:44] And I believe that I would be able to be a two-player over there.

[44:49] of some new idea, and working with the people, and I see explore the new ways of what

[44:56] can we do for our airport, which is serving the whole night.

[45:00] And then it's international airport.

[45:06] So why not to join us and serving the community, it's a very important part of my career, right now I'm serving in the public opinion.

[45:16] We deal with it, and then I'm a kind of a commissioner for the finance committees.

[45:25] We don't have any meetings because so far it's going to be once a year meeting whatever

[45:30] is that, and then being active in our community and my president of our association.

[45:38] But coming back to airport, my background is in MBA, and I have done lots of administrative

[45:45] and my work, Xavier was in construction which dealing with people talking to people,

[45:56] negotiating with contractors and being a pilot, I started to talk to so many pilots

[46:02] and knows the rules and regulation of AFA which is very important. In the meantime, by talking

[46:08] from the lowest person in any, I've not lost

[46:13] and talked in the past four of those activities,

[46:16] even a journey vote in a airport, all the way to the top.

[46:20] There is a sort of try to sell the public.

[46:23] All right, all right.

[46:25] So I don't want you to tell your whole story

[46:26] because I know other council members have other questions,

[46:28] but I think that you have expressed

[46:30] while you're interested.

[46:32] So I'm going to go ahead and turn it over

[46:33] to Mayor Protem Gutierrez for the next question.

[46:36] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[46:37] Good evening, Mr. Greoria.

[46:39] I'll tell us a little bit about your experience in education,

[46:42] and please highlight anything in your background,

[46:45] that you feel is directly related

[46:47] to our possibilities of the airport commission.

[46:55] Bachelor degree in economy and master degree in political science

[46:58] and MBA, master of business administration,

[47:03] and then I got a lot of degree from pepper diet,

[47:08] But, and 30-35 years, working in the private sector and being a commissioner in the city

[47:15] of Glandell and being a immediate support of California, which dealing with the people,

[47:21] but as for us at direc, working with an airport, I wouldn't say that I did have a position

[47:27] except that few months I was an interim commissioner, 2001 in Burbank airport commission.

[47:35] generally speaking what I would say that my view is going to be to serve the airport with a

[47:45] different view and then offer them that what can we do because we don't want to have a

[47:50] ton of vision and looking in a want the wretched.

[47:52] All right so you're getting on to some of the other questions here so thank you for that

[47:57] information on your experience and education and I will turn it over to council member Ross

[48:02] for the next question.

[48:03] Thank you, Mr. Kriegory, and for your application.

[48:06] I've had an opportunity to review the minutes from the last several meetings of the air

[48:10] park commission, and I am impressed by the weightiness of the topics.

[48:14] Are you prepared to do the homework that may be necessary to bring yourself up to speed

[48:18] on agenda items and, if appointed, could you then clearly represent those ideas to counsel

[48:23] if there was something specific we wanted clarification on?

[48:29] The answer is yes, definitely, because I am there to serve the city, I am there at the pleasure of

[48:39] the council and my prime is there to build the things which is happening over there and even maybe to get some input from you.

[48:48] So, we have kind of a liaison officer between the city and the airport over there, and in a meantime,

[48:55] teamwork is a major element of this operation, because they have six, six, seven,

[49:02] a commissioner, and a city of catalysis has one.

[49:06] So, we have to work very hard to bring everybody together and try to see what can we do for the

[49:15] So he's a major factor, but in a meantime, he has the answer.

[49:18] He's definitely.

[49:19] Thank you.

[49:20] Thank you so much.

[49:21] All right.

[49:22] The next question is coming from Councilmember Carnivali.

[49:25] Why do you believe the Palm Springs Airport is important to

[49:29] the cathedral city?

[49:32] Could you hear me all right from Michael?

[49:35] Yes.

[49:36] I did.

[49:38] The Palm Springs Airport is nothing.

[49:39] And I mean, it's important for every city, it's a major route of transportation.

[49:47] To check out on cities, it became a very active city among these seven cities from India,

[49:54] India and Wales and all the way to Palm Springs, and it's a very vibrant city.

[50:00] I mean, the population is more, it's a place that people would love to come right now.

[50:07] the price of housing, you see, I mean something happening again, everybody is thinking about

[50:12] the city, I'm very pleased that I live in the city, I moved over 2014 and city is comparably

[50:21] say, police department response is very fast and then going back to the effectiveness of the

[50:27] homesping airport, yes, because so many people coming through Moshing Airport and it's very close

[50:34] And the people, the one of the reason, when we were people moved to Catalocisi, I asked them,

[50:39] so what was the reason you choose a Catalocisi is a very close-up airport, which is very important factor.

[50:46] If somebody driving from India, they have to drive 34 to 30 to 40, 50 minutes, but over here is about 5 to 6, 7 minutes.

[50:54] So, it's a major route of transportation, major route of communication, and major, so it's very important for us that,

[51:01] especially for cathedrals city that reach it, the child of transportation, open and we cooperate

[51:07] with everybody, especially city of Palm Springs, to full-reel our responsibilities and to see

[51:14] how can we sell our city.

[51:16] Thank you.

[51:17] Thank you.

[51:18] Yeah, some excellent points.

[51:20] Thanks so much.

[51:20] The next question will come from Council Member Lam.

[51:23] Thank you.

[51:25] Thank you for your willingness.

[51:27] If you are appointed to the Airport Commission, you will be cathedral

[51:31] cities representative do you think cathedral cities interests related to the airport are different

[51:37] than the other cities interests thank you

[51:42] well every city has a different view the way that

[51:46] are operating or looking at their protectivities so that's a position of the commissioner

[51:53] to come and give you the idea what's going on over there bottom line we are here as a commissioner

[52:02] implement the city council ideology to wish way that we want to implement, because therefore

[52:09] there are some decisions over there budgetary financially or transportation or something,

[52:17] so the city council has to know everything what's going on over there. And then therefore

[52:22] there is no way that any commissioner would meet a make a decision that is going to have

[52:26] the city of this country, against the city council

[52:32] activities. So yes, it's very important

[52:36] then although my best to fulfill my responsibilities and to be a proud commissioner and

[52:44] proud citizen and be very active to implement your policies.

[52:53] All right, thank you very much. So we reach the end of the formal questions and we've covered

[52:58] a number of things like your interest in your experience, whether you are willing to do the homework,

[53:07] why the airport is important to us, and a little bit about representing Codero City.

[53:14] Is there anything else that you think we need to know about you and your desire to do this job that would help us with our decision?

[53:24] I believe in that this is our community and every one of us we have to be part of the community and nothing better than we can give back to the community.

[53:36] Because by one of the best things to want to hear, I mean, if every one of us can do a little bit more to hear from, even picking a web garbage from the street and all the way to the top of city is going to be better city to live it.

[53:50] And this is, we have to take care of our cities, and we have to take care of our neighbouring,

[53:55] whatever facility that we have, whatever transportation is, which is very important.

[54:03] And then on top of that, it's a major route of a corner, because during the winter time,

[54:09] normally 4,500 people come from Canada, where other places, which is a vibrant,

[54:14] for the economic impact to our cities and the city of Chatella City is one of them.

[54:23] So, yes, one tourism is a major idea that I believe in that.

[54:29] Since whenever I was involved in the city of Glen, I wish I lived for 35 years now, I believe in Chatella City.

[54:36] I believe in that.

[54:38] So, I see the difference.

[54:40] Well, thank you.

[54:41] so much. You're certainly correct. Our community be so much better if everyone will just continue to act and work in the best interest of our community.

[54:50] So, thank you so much for applying with us. And we will, we do have a couple of other people that we're going to be interviewing and you're welcome to of course stay on and watch that.

[54:59] And you're welcome to stay on and watch the rest of our meeting when we may make an appointment. And but you don't have to. I want to let you know that if you're has something else that you need to do that.

[55:10] You don't have to stay on in the city clerk, we'll let you know whatever our decision is.

[55:15] So thank you so much for joining us tonight, and thank you so much for your continued interest

[55:18] in serving at the city.

[55:21] Thank you for your part.

[55:22] Thank you.

[55:24] All right, city clerk, we're ready for the next applicant.

[55:28] The next applicant is going to be Jill Philbrook, and I will move her over right now.

[55:34] All right, thank you.

[55:56] I see her over now.

[55:59] There she is.

[56:04] Good evening.

[56:05] Hi.

[56:05] Dale Philbrook.

[56:08] Thank you.

[56:08] Yeah, and thank you so much for your interest in the Palm Springs International Air Commission,

[56:13] and for representing the City of Cathedral City there.

[56:15] Can you tell the council a little about yourself?

[56:18] Why you're interested in serving and what makes you a good candidate for this position?

[56:23] I'm sure.

[56:24] Well, you have my name, Jill Philbrook.

[56:25] I'm a resident of Cathedral City and have been for 12 years.

[56:30] I am currently on the airport commission and am requesting to be re-appointed.

[56:37] I enjoy my time there and enjoy being part of the discussions around the airport and

[56:44] navigating through these times and then representing the city of Cathedral City on that

[56:49] commission.

[56:51] Okay, so how long have you served on the airport commission?

[56:55] Seven months.

[56:57] All right, so we have this in front of it because I believe there was, there was some turnover.

[57:02] Did you reach the end of a term or?

[57:05] Yes, I was appointed mid-term and it was a six-month appointment and I'm sitting in the seat in the interim until Council makes a decision for the next term.

[57:17] All right, and have you had the opportunity to meet with the commission?

[57:22] Yes, I've been on the committee, been at each meeting for the last seven months.

[57:27] Oh, okay, so did they meet monthly seven times?

[57:30] It once a month.

[57:32] Once a month, all right.

[57:33] All right, thank you.

[57:34] Thank you so much.

[57:35] I'm just not aware.

[57:35] Just trying to make sure that we have a clear picture.

[57:38] The next question is going to come from Mayor for Tim Gutierrez.

[57:41] Thank you.

[57:43] Good evening, Mr. Wilberg.

[57:44] Tell us a little bit about your experience and your education and please highlight anything in your background that you feel is directly related to their responsibilities of the airport commission.

[57:57] Sure, I have over two decades of professional experience in the hospitality and tourism industries and that's all been here in the Coachella Valley.

[58:09] I have spent seven years at the Greater Palm Springs Convention and Visitors Bureau in a variety of roles there, and I currently work for all a colleague and a band of queer Indians for their casino operations as the advertising manager.

[58:26] So my background is very deep in advertising marketing in hospitality and tourism.

[58:32] I have a degree in marketing and college degree in marketing and the number of certifications

[58:39] professionally for tourism, including Certified Tourism and Buster and Certified Meeting

[58:45] Planner.

[58:47] Thank you.

[58:48] All right.

[58:49] Thank you so much.

[58:49] Our next question I'll come from Council Member Ross.

[58:52] And again, thank you for your application and willingness to serve.

[58:55] I had an opportunity to review the minutes from the last several meetings of your commission.

[58:59] and I am impressed by the weightiness of the topics.

[59:03] Are you prepared to do the homework that it takes

[59:05] to bring yourself up to speed on those agenda items?

[59:08] And if your appointment continues,

[59:10] are you then able to clearly represent those ideas

[59:13] to council if there was something specific

[59:15] we wanted to clarify occasion on?

[59:17] Thank you.

[59:19] Yes, I can absolutely do that prior to my appointment

[59:23] at the end of last calendar year.

[59:26] I had spent some time reviewing the minutes and agendas

[59:29] of the previous six months meetings. Of course I've attended each month meeting so far and at

[59:35] this point I'm up to speed on the business of the commission and would be able to answer

[59:42] any questions or at least find out information if I didn't know immediately for City Council.

[59:49] Thank you for your answer. All right, thank you councilmember. Our next question will come from

[59:54] Council Member Carnivali.

[59:55] Hello, Jill.

[59:56] Hello.

[59:57] Why do you believe the Palm Springs Airport is-

[1:00:00] So important to get the digital city.

[1:00:03] I think the airport is important to the entire Coachella Valley, of course,

[1:00:08] but get the digital city in particular, because we sit right next door quite literally to the airport.

[1:00:16] And I think having representation on the commission and for the city to know the ins and outs of what's happening at the airport in terms of any improvements or capital expenditures,

[1:00:28] as well as any city issues. For example now, there's a lot of discussion around, of course,

[1:00:36] homelessness and setting up building for them near the airport. And I think having

[1:00:47] representation from the digital city to be able to have a saying that because we're

[1:00:52] Right next door is very important.

[1:00:54] Thank you.

[1:00:55] All right.

[1:00:56] Thank you so much.

[1:00:57] Next question to come from Council Member Lam.

[1:00:59] The Highness Delperant.

[1:01:00] Thank you so much.

[1:01:02] If you are appointed to the Airport Commission, you will be cathedral cities representative.

[1:01:08] Do you think cathedral cities interests related to the airport are different than other cities interests?

[1:01:14] Thank you.

[1:01:15] I do, for some of the reasons I just mentioned, additionally, as the City of Cathedral City

[1:01:23] Representative, I also sit on the noise committee, which admittedly, I didn't realize

[1:01:29] that one was initially appointed, but that's a concern, I think, for the City of Cathedral

[1:01:35] City more so than some of the others, because we sit right under the flight pattern of the

[1:01:39] plans, so to be able to have a voice on that committee and to say to help advance the benefits

[1:01:47] for our city is very important.

[1:01:52] That's a great example.

[1:01:53] Thank you so much.

[1:01:54] We've reached the end of our formal questions.

[1:01:56] This will be the opportunity for you to give us any information that you think we should

[1:02:01] consider as far as whether to re-appoint you or make another appointment.

[1:02:07] And I don't know if you've been to share any more of maybe some of the items that you've covered as part of the airport commission.

[1:02:16] Sure.

[1:02:17] It's been an honor to serve and I thank you for allowing me that opportunity these last few months.

[1:02:24] And of course, hope to continue to have the opportunity to serve the city in this capacity.

[1:02:29] It's been very interesting to have a seat at the table quite frankly with all the exciting changes with the airport.

[1:02:38] There are new flights coming in.

[1:02:41] There's announcements coming at the end of this week about some new direct flights into our destination.

[1:02:49] And being able to be a part of that is very exciting and fulfilling quite frankly.

[1:02:54] and I love cathedral city, and as I said, I live there a very long time, and I enjoy

[1:03:01] serving the city and being able to serve in this capacity, which is an extension of my professional

[1:03:07] experience, is really a thrill and a joy and an honor, and I thank you for considering me for the

[1:03:13] position. Oh, thank you so much, and I know that the continued expansion of flights in and out of

[1:03:21] the local airport is certainly important both for residents and for our businesses, so thank you for

[1:03:27] bringing that up. All right, well, we've reached the end, and as I shared before,

[1:03:33] you're welcome to stay on and watch the remainder of our meeting. We will have on our agenda

[1:03:39] immediately following the next application or our applicant interview, whether we want to make an

[1:03:44] appointment tonight, so we may do that. So you're welcome to stay with us, but you don't have to,

[1:03:49] If you are busy and you need to do something else, we understand that.

[1:03:52] You don't have to down the meeting to be able to be appointed the city clerk will let you know

[1:03:56] either way.

[1:03:57] So thank you so much.

[1:03:58] And thank you for your service and your continued interest in the betterment of cathedral

[1:04:03] city.

[1:04:04] Thank you.

[1:04:08] All right, city clerk, we're ready for our last interview.

[1:04:14] Okay, the last applicant is Christian, some, some last guy.

[1:04:20] I'm not sure if I've loved that, but we'll find out.

[1:04:23] I'm going to move him over right now.

[1:04:42] Looks like he's over.

[1:04:43] I'm not quite sure if the transition.

[1:04:45] All right, Mr. Samlaska.

[1:04:47] We can see that you've been moved over.

[1:04:49] But we don't have any video.

[1:04:51] So that's up to you.

[1:04:52] It looks like your audio is turned on.

[1:04:54] Can you hear me?

[1:04:56] I can hear you.

[1:04:56] I think the video should come on now.

[1:04:58] There you are.

[1:04:59] Yeah.

[1:04:59] And now we have video.

[1:05:00] Welcome.

[1:05:00] Very happy to have you here at our meeting.

[1:05:02] And thank you for your interest in the Palm Springs International Airport Commission.

[1:05:06] Could you start off by telling the Council a little about yourself?

[1:05:09] while you're interested in serving and what makes you a good candidate for the Palm Springs Airport Commission.

[1:05:15] Absolutely, Mayor Gregory and Council. Thank you so much for this opportunity.

[1:05:21] I have spent the better part of the last four decades working in aviation in one form or another

[1:05:27] either in the airline industry or serving in several different capacities in airports,

[1:05:34] various airports. And I think that because of my background and my education, that's been

[1:05:42] focused for that nearly four decades, specifically on aviation, I can lend a different

[1:05:49] perspective to some of the work that gets done and most importantly I want to serve the

[1:05:55] community that I live in right now.

[1:05:58] All right, thank you very much. Your next question will come from Mayor Protem Gutierrez.

[1:06:02] Good evening.

[1:06:04] Please tell us a little bit about your experience and education in place on the other

[1:06:08] You're thinking you're background that you feel is directly related to the responsibilities

[1:06:12] of the European Commission.

[1:06:16] I'm sorry.

[1:06:16] I had the first part of that kind of, I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't.

[1:06:19] Tell us a little bit about your experience and education.

[1:06:24] So I have a degree that is focused on aviation, my degrees in intelligence studies with

[1:06:32] and the emphasis on counterterrorism in adhesion.

[1:06:37] And further my education through various beam-up classes

[1:06:41] on nationalist incident management,

[1:06:43] so I'm certified in those courses.

[1:06:46] And again, specifically for my work that I've done

[1:06:52] in aviation prior to the current role that I'm serving,

[1:06:57] deploying some systems at LEX Airport,

[1:06:59] I served as the Senior Manager for Aviation Security at CTAC Airport for over a decade.

[1:07:07] And in that role, lots of educational opportunities and growth that help position you for this role,

[1:07:16] I believe.

[1:07:18] Thank you.

[1:07:19] All right.

[1:07:20] Thank you very much.

[1:07:21] The next question will come from Council Member Ross.

[1:07:23] That it be me and welcome Mr. Simlaska.

[1:07:26] How are you this evening?

[1:07:26] I'm well, thank you very much.

[1:07:30] I have had an opportunity to review the minutes from the last several meetings of the

[1:07:33] airport commission and I am impressed as to the weightiness of the topics.

[1:07:37] Are you prepared to do the homework that may be necessary to bring yourself up the speed

[1:07:41] on items and if appointed could you then clearly represent those ideas to the council if

[1:07:47] and when there was something specific we wanted clarification on.

[1:07:51] Thank you.

[1:07:53] Thank you for the question. I'll tell you that I have done a little digging already. I am also impressed by the agenda items and the items that come up for discussion with the Commission.

[1:08:07] I think that as an integral part of the community, the variety of topics that come up and the importance, especially around the airport.

[1:08:17] are critical to the success of the airport and to the safety and security of the airport.

[1:08:23] And so my answer is yes absolutely.

[1:08:26] I think that it's vital that you understand all aspects of how an airport operates.

[1:08:32] And that you take all that into consideration, including the community's concerns around

[1:08:36] the airport,

[1:08:38] when different issues come up.

[1:08:41] And to convey that back to the council, it's very important.

[1:08:45] Thank you.

[1:08:47] All right.

[1:08:48] Thank you very much.

[1:08:49] The next question will come from Councilmember Carnivali.

[1:08:52] Hello, Christian.

[1:08:53] Can you tell me why you believe the Palm Springs Airport is important to Cathedral City?

[1:09:01] So, so I think that Palm Springs Airport is very important as an economic engine for the entire area.

[1:09:10] You know, it drives business in so many different ways.

[1:09:13] And I think that this area is extremely lucky to have an airport like Palm Springs International.

[1:09:22] I do think that there is obviously room for growth.

[1:09:26] And I think that we experience that, especially in the summertime when traffic, when the, when the opportunities to travel out of the out of the valley,

[1:09:38] kind of diminish a bit, and I think that looking at how those services could be

[1:09:45] crowning a bit more and supported a bit more would be an important thing.

[1:09:49] I think that in order to maintain the vitality of this area, you know, bringing people

[1:09:59] in and getting people out to do the work they need to do in a more efficient and effective

[1:10:03] way, we depend on the airport for that.

[1:10:07] Thank you, sir.

[1:10:09] All right.

[1:10:09] Thank you very much.

[1:10:10] The next question will come from Councilmember Lam.

[1:10:13] Good evening, Mr. Samlaska.

[1:10:15] And thank you again for your willingness to serve on this community.

[1:10:19] If you want to point into the airport commission, you will be Cathedral City's representative.

[1:10:24] Do you think Cathedral City's interests related to the airport are different than the other city's interests?

[1:10:30] Thank you.

[1:10:35] Thank you for the question.

[1:10:36] And I think that fundamentally, they're the same.

[1:10:40] When you look at the economic engine that this critical infrastructure provides, it is fundamentally

[1:10:49] the same.

[1:10:50] I think that the proximity and the airport to Cathedral City and the, I guess, the community

[1:11:01] impacts could potentially be greater our greater and I think that that needs to be considered.

[1:11:07] So in that respect, it is different and I think it's critical that the community has an

[1:11:13] ear has a seat at the table to discuss concerns and that they're actually debated when necessary.

[1:11:21] When we discuss things like noise issues and environmental impacts, I think that that's critical.

[1:11:28] I can tell you from my experience that when a community doesn't want things to happen that are involved in airport,

[1:11:35] and I think back at one airport that I worked at, that was adding a very controversial runway,

[1:11:43] it took several years for that to get approval and really a lot of education and discussions with the community.

[1:11:53] And again, it's a vital piece of that.

[1:11:56] Of that airport currently, and it was a good thing that happened.

[1:11:59] But I think that, you know, understanding those things, especially as they impact

[1:12:04] the community as close as Cathedral City is, to the airport, is makes a difference.

[1:12:09] Great.

[1:12:09] Thanks so much.

[1:12:15] All right.

[1:12:16] Thank you very much.

[1:12:17] So, that's the last of the formal questions, but I do have a question of looking through

[1:12:23] your application, and I know it hasn't really been covered.

[1:12:26] but it appears you're working out of Los Angeles.

[1:12:30] And when we look you up, we see Seattle mentioned

[1:12:33] as a residence and Beverly Hills.

[1:12:36] So, and I see on the application,

[1:12:37] I said, you've been lived in Cathedral City six months.

[1:12:40] So kind of begs the question, if you don't mind covering it,

[1:12:45] how much involvement do you have in Cathedral City at this point?

[1:12:50] So I am a full-time resident of Cathedral City.

[1:12:52] I, you know, not much good came out of COVID, but I did have an opportunity to move from Los Angeles.

[1:12:59] The work I do is remote work.

[1:13:02] I visit Los Angeles once every week or every other week at L.A.X.

[1:13:08] for the work that I need to do.

[1:13:09] It will continue that way.

[1:13:12] I feel very lucky to have become a permanent resident

[1:13:16] about a home in Capito City.

[1:13:18] So, I've been a gastric individual city in the, in Palm Springs many times, but it's something

[1:13:26] that I've always wanted.

[1:13:28] So, this opportunity, that was one good thing in this opportunity.

[1:13:32] All right.

[1:13:32] Well, we certainly welcome you and always love it when you have a new residence, when you

[1:13:36] become participants, but I think it's, I think it's fair to ask when you're representing

[1:13:41] the city, how much involvement you have.

[1:13:44] So there's anything else that you'd like to add that would help us make our decision and the

[1:13:50] disappointment.

[1:13:52] I'd just like to say thank you again and this opportunity, you know, to serve the community

[1:13:58] and really use my experience and knowledge to help support the community in the airport is something that

[1:14:06] I would look forward to doing and value greatly.

[1:14:08] Well, thank you so much for joining us tonight and for being very frank about the answer to your questions and sharing with us.

[1:14:18] It's very nice meeting you and very much to appreciate your answers in this position and in helping make cathedral city or keeping it a great place to live.

[1:14:28] We will be having a discussion following the close of this interview and we may be making an appointment.

[1:14:36] So you're certainly welcome to stay on as a as a attendee, but you don't have to. If you need to go somewhere

[1:14:42] The city clerk will be notifying you of the result

[1:14:46] Thank you very much

[1:14:47] We appreciate it. All right city clerk that is the end of our applicants. Is that correct?

[1:14:56] That is correct mayor. All right, unless you

[1:15:00] There's any direct questions in the city manager right now. I'd like to go ahead and open it up for public comment. The public has also heard the interviews. And if you're a member of the public and you've joined us either by Zoom or in person and would like to make comment if you're on Zoom, if you would indicate so by using the raise hand feature. If you have joined us in person, hopefully you've turned in a speaker card, but if not, if you please single to the clerk, she'll call on you.

[1:15:27] City Clerk.

[1:15:29] There are no requests to speak via Zoom.

[1:15:32] I see no hands raised at this time.

[1:15:34] I did not receive any requests to speak forms.

[1:15:37] Is there any member of the public who wishes to speak on this item?

[1:15:41] All right.

[1:15:42] Seeing them, we'll return it back to Council for discussion.

[1:15:46] Recommendation.

[1:15:47] I do see we have someone who is indicated.

[1:15:50] They wish to speak.

[1:15:51] And that is.

[1:15:56] I just wanted to get the ground rules here.

[1:16:00] Now in our comments, we two out of the gate choose who are going to

[1:16:05] our choices.

[1:16:07] Or do we want to discuss anything or just jump right into?

[1:16:11] Well, I'm certainly open if somebody wants to discuss or if somebody wants

[1:16:14] to make a recommendation and just flat out make it or make it.

[1:16:19] Just make my choice if that's appropriate.

[1:16:21] Okay, doing this several years I got to honestly say this is going to be one of the toughest decisions that I'm going to have to make all three of these applicants are just fabulous, you know, Greg is, you know, he's been in front of us before he's very knowledgeable and his, and it's patient to serve, you know, and his commitment to serve is in his knowledge is this impeccable and Christian Samlaska.

[1:16:51] You know, where have you been? I mean, you're very well qualified and you would be excellent in this position.

[1:17:00] You're looking at, I love to answer an economic engine.

[1:17:04] You know, all your points on all your answers were spot on.

[1:17:08] So I got to give both of them kudos.

[1:17:11] Jim Philbrook, you know, she's been with us seven months.

[1:17:15] She was appointed in there and she's been doing an excellent job.

[1:17:18] been a resident of Cathedral City for 12 years, which holds a lot of weight for me.

[1:17:26] And I think her being on the seven-month committee already, I think she's earned her efforts

[1:17:36] to move forward.

[1:17:37] So my number one pick would be for Jill Fulberg.

[1:17:41] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[1:17:42] All right.

[1:17:44] Anyone else?

[1:17:50] So, I will say that I'm not that experienced with the commission, but I do believe, while

[1:17:59] they cover a variety of topics, a lot of them are focused on the utility of the airport,

[1:18:07] the tourism, the marketing, those types of things.

[1:18:11] I mean, I know you've looked at the agenda.

[1:18:13] So lately it's been largely homeless and vagrancy and security and economic development.

[1:18:23] So it sounds like there is a variety, but I do tend to agree with the council member that, well,

[1:18:30] first agree that this is a lot easier when you have one or two people that probably aren't ready to serve,

[1:18:36] but in many ways, everyone would do a good job

[1:18:42] that we interviewed, so it is very difficult to distinguish.

[1:18:45] But I do tend to lean towards our incumbent,

[1:18:48] who has not been on the job that long,

[1:18:50] but has certainly stepped up and encouraged

[1:18:53] that she was able to jump right in and get involved

[1:18:57] and be attending.

[1:18:58] I also feel that marketing and tourism experience

[1:19:02] is very helpful, although it doesn't mean

[1:19:05] the others wouldn't do a good job, and they all, you know, if they're involved in aviation

[1:19:10] have some of that experience in business, but I would tend to lean, especially due to her

[1:19:20] time and involvement here in the valley, also with a variety of valley endeavors, I would

[1:19:27] tend to lean towards her too. So that's my comments. Do we have other comments?

[1:19:34] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[1:19:37] Well, first of all, I thank all three applicants for their willingness to serve our city.

[1:19:43] I have to echo with both of my colleagues here.

[1:19:47] They have expressed it extremely well.

[1:19:50] All three candidates are so well qualified that it makes it a very incredibly different

[1:19:58] difficult decision.

[1:19:59] And I do, we'll like to give Phil Jill Fullbrook the opportunity to continue with what she's doing.

[1:20:09] She's been working really hard at it, and it seems like she's attended every single meeting.

[1:20:14] And I like to give her the opportunity to continue to do so.

[1:20:17] It's a very hard decision, but I hope we can now utilize Mr. Somlaska and Mr. Gregorian and some other commissions they are well qualified.

[1:20:26] and they're willing to serve our cities so please don't give up and stay in contact and hopefully

[1:20:33] you can help our city move forward by volunteering in other commissions. Thank you.

[1:20:38] Thank you very much. Councilmember Lam. I just wanted to weigh in and say I agree with all

[1:20:42] that's been said. Thank you. All right. Anything else? So I'm hearing there seems to be a consensus,

[1:20:52] at least amongst those who have spoken to continue. Jill of Phil Brook and have her serve in a

[1:20:57] term what somebody like to make that as a motion. I do see a motion, so I'm assuming that's what that is,

[1:21:03] Council Member Carnivali. Council Member Carnivali has moved to appoint Jill Philbrook,

[1:21:10] second by Council Member Lam. Please vote.

[1:21:17] I'm just black screen now tracing.

[1:21:19] I'm sorry, so Council Member Ross is a yes, so the motion carries all eyes.

[1:21:25] The motion carries and Jill Fieldbrook is re-appointed to the position, and I want to echo

[1:21:30] what the mayor protests that I know the whole council feels that way.

[1:21:33] We are always so grateful when people want to serve on commissions and the others were

[1:21:38] certainly qualified, so I know this may be their primary interest, but we haven't given

[1:21:43] up on you to be able to serve the cities that don't give up on us.

[1:21:46] We do have other commissions, and sometimes things happen, and even these types of seats come

[1:21:51] So if you are interested in any of our other commissions as they come open, please apply and of course keep an eye out if this one should become open.

[1:22:03] Mr. City manager, what open seats do we have right now that are waiting for applicants?

[1:22:12] We have one opening on the Architecture Review Committee. That is one that needs to be a license landscape architect or have some background in the field of landscape architecture.

[1:22:23] We have an opening that we will be interviewing for at the next meeting for the Historic Preservation Commission.

[1:22:33] And I think that is it at this point.

[1:22:36] We have one spot on the Mobile Home Fair Practice Commission.

[1:22:40] Mobile Home Fair Practice is commissioned.

[1:22:42] It meets on an as needed basis.

[1:22:45] So, you know, in the last couple of years we've had a couple of hearings before them.

[1:22:49] Before that there was three or four years where there weren't any.

[1:22:52] All right, thank you so much for updating.

[1:22:56] All right, thank you, Council, go ahead and move on.

[1:23:00] Or do you need to take a break?

[1:23:01] No, I just have a black screen.

[1:23:03] All right, let's take a very short break.

[1:23:05] We can stretch.

[1:23:06] And we can see if we can get our Council Member's screen repaired.

[1:23:11] So let's try to keep it to about five minutes in the back at seven o'clock.

[1:23:33] This time it wasn't the undisciplined council that we were all here and ready to go.

[1:23:39] But in fact we're still putting up a little bit of technical difficulty with council member Ross's station.

[1:23:46] So if you can't see here, I believe you can still hear when she speaks.

[1:23:50] So, all right, we'll go ahead and move on to our next item, which is a special use permit for the Hall of Flowers trade show planned for December 2021, Mr. City Manager.

[1:24:03] Thank you, Mayor. Members of the Council. This will look familiar to you. This was approved by Council for April of 2020, and you know what happened in the end of March in 2020, and so everything at that time period was cancelled.

[1:24:17] It is essentially the same proposal as before with a different date and only a couple of minor modifications, so stonejames are economic development director will give you an overview of the special use permit request.

[1:24:34] The applicant, Danny, Diamondstein is also here, so if there's any questions for him, so stone, go ahead please.

[1:24:42] Thank you, Charlie, for the great overview, and I believe Miss Harkin is going to bring up the PowerPoint presentation.

[1:24:53] We can see it.

[1:24:54] Oh, you can. Okay. I cannot. So, I wonder if there's a way that I can see that, too.

[1:25:04] There it is.

[1:25:05] Okay, great. So, what this is, Charlie did, and Charlie, make it for that introduction.

[1:25:10] So, this is a business to business trade show that is focused on the cannabis industry.

[1:25:15] And just like Charlie said, unfortunately, COVID-19 caused forced cancellation by the

[1:25:21] we were going to have that.

[1:25:22] This is this hall of flowers event is going on its fourth year up in San Rosa, California.

[1:25:28] In fact, next month, this is going to be their fourth show.

[1:25:32] And up in San Rosa, that serves all of the Southern California market, and Daddy Domonstin, it

[1:25:38] would like to serve the Southern California market in the United States and so like Charlie

[1:25:45] said December 8th and 9th are the two days that Mr. Demonstain has requested. Next slide please.

[1:25:55] The event, like it was proposed the first time when Council approved in December 2019, would

[1:26:01] be held at the former Burlington Co-Factor Building. That's an 84,000 square foot building.

[1:26:06] That's located up on Dave Palm and Gerald Ford. Next slide please.

[1:26:20] So with that 84,000 square feet, we're looking at a maximum occupancy.

[1:26:24] both indoor and outdoor of about 3,500 people.

[1:26:28] That is the ceiling that Danny has agreed to, not exceed.

[1:26:32] He believes that it will not go there.

[1:26:35] There will not be that many people.

[1:26:37] And there'll be really combination of both inside and outside.

[1:26:42] Within that 3,500 maximum, within that 3,500 ceiling,

[1:26:46] there'll be 12 to 1,400 vendors.

[1:26:48] And really the intent of this event, this trade show,

[1:26:52] going to be completely self-contained, so that, of course, they've got all the bathrooms.

[1:26:56] They have the food trucks.

[1:26:57] They have everything that they'd need to be completely self-sufficient.

[1:27:01] And in fact, there was coming up to in the weeks before this, there was some discussion about

[1:27:06] the location of the right-shear pickup and drop-off, and in the conversations I had with

[1:27:12] Danny most recently as yesterday, we have resolved that issue, and so the right-shear pickup

[1:27:17] drop off to occur either in one of or in both locations. One location would be right next to the building,

[1:27:24] just like it was approved back in December 2019, just between Jill Ford and the building,

[1:27:29] see on your screen. And then the other location would actually be on the 13.5 acres. That is where

[1:27:35] that offsite parking is. And so the right share would come drop off the people or pick them up.

[1:27:41] And then the shuttle would take them to the event.

[1:27:46] Danny has worked with the our police department

[1:27:48] in our fire department.

[1:27:50] He has agreed to hire six computer city police officers in one sergeant,

[1:27:55] or a total of seven for both of those days.

[1:27:59] And also, he has agreed to having two paramedics in an ambulance rig

[1:28:03] on-site, even though typically they have not experienced problems in the past,

[1:28:07] just had an abundance of caution.

[1:28:09] He's agreed to have their services there just on this inaugural event,

[1:28:14] just to make sure everything goes well in everyone's days safe.

[1:28:17] Next slide please.

[1:28:21] So here is an overview of the program.

[1:28:25] There's a lot going on, so I'll walk you through it.

[1:28:27] So if you see up in the top right hand corner and the green, the red letters, RS, that's the right share.

[1:28:33] So that's where the right share is contemplated.

[1:28:38] The folks would enter through the right share, and that's where kind of the entrance would be by the G1, G2.

[1:28:44] Those circles with the blue, G1 through G6.

[1:28:48] And so, you've got the indoor exit hall, and then you've also got the outdoor area.

[1:28:54] And then, if you see, over where it says the green with the red letter F, that's the food court.

[1:29:02] And so, really, that's where all of the activity will take place.

[1:29:05] If you take a look on the self, on the bottom part of your screen, by date on, with the green box and the red letter S,

[1:29:12] That's where the shuttles would enter, and they would be forced to make that right-turn and follow those of arrows like this been illustrated.

[1:29:20] And then they would unload at the G6 at the E4 E5 area.

[1:29:25] And then they've got to coordinate with people who will safely walk outside of traffic into the event.

[1:29:31] One of the things that's been important back in 2019 and still, of course, important is that they respect the operations of the U.S. Bank.

[1:29:40] And they have made provisions to make sure that all of the employees of U.S. Bank and all of the customers of U.S. Bank are all of the access U.S. Bank for both days that they're offering.

[1:29:52] And that there's no limitations there.

[1:29:55] There's also going to be one of the things that has been unique about this event.

[1:30:00] This concept of the outdoor cannabis consumption. And one of the things that was a priority for the council, then is a priority to council now, is to make sure that there is no transient smell from outdoor consumption.

[1:30:14] And so what the applicant has implemented, or would implement, is an outdoor, odor control monitoring system.

[1:30:24] Tracy, if you go to the next slide please,

[1:30:29] so here is an overview of that system.

[1:30:32] This sizable machine is actually used in a number of industries with typically some very

[1:30:38] challenging odors, whether that's wastewater treatment plants or different types of steel

[1:30:43] meals or paper meals, smelting plants or foundries, where they've got an issue with odor.

[1:30:51] They've used the successfully used the system.

[1:30:54] Thankfully, this is a non-poxic and biodegradable solution that is piped around that outdoor

[1:30:59] area to really capture it, anything that is going on within that area.

[1:31:05] And it actually neutralizes it.

[1:31:08] So I thought really kind of what this, if you were to think about this, just think of

[1:31:12] as an industrial strength for breeze machine.

[1:31:16] Next slide, please.

[1:31:17] So

[1:31:21] in terms of off-site parking, since they have the outdoor programming, they're not going to be able to have their attendees parking front of the building.

[1:31:29] So they've had to secure and they have secured the ability to use 13.5 acres that is located south of the casino.

[1:31:37] There's going to be some things that they're going to need to do. They've worked with the engineering department to make sure that there's no issues with the future of dust.

[1:31:45] And that's going to include gravel along some of the key transportation areas, also a water truck,

[1:31:53] just to make sure that there's no dust issue.

[1:31:56] And so this site map shows you where they were going to have the different security guards,

[1:32:01] where they're going to have a shuttle stop, where the right share would drop off and pick up,

[1:32:06] and really how that whole parking would be situated.

[1:32:11] As you saw in the staff report,

[1:32:14] This parking, this $13.5 acres is so large you can get to look at the $1700 cars if

[1:32:21] we're fully parked to the max, but if you took a look at our code and you took a look

[1:32:26] at these types of assembly events, the city believes typically you have five people per car,

[1:32:32] a 10.

[1:32:33] So that means we would need a maximum of 700 cars.

[1:32:36] Now that's assuming that no one took a right share directly to the infant from their hotel

[1:32:42] or walk from their hotel.

[1:32:44] We've got no hotel right across the street.

[1:32:47] So there is a wide margin of air in the parking,

[1:32:50] if for some reason, more people drive.

[1:32:54] Next slide, please.

[1:32:58] So as with really any special use permit,

[1:33:01] there are a number of conditions.

[1:33:03] So we have identified within our conditions of approval.

[1:33:07] And really we incorporate it in.

[1:33:10] Their traffic management plan,

[1:33:11] their emergency response plan,

[1:33:13] traffic control plan, which are a lot of signs on the roads and homes to really help direct people

[1:33:19] on where to go. Danny has gone to great lengths to hire professional organizations to help them come up with

[1:33:27] these emergency response plans and traffic plans. And he's actually passed these plans by our

[1:33:32] Department, our Police Department, our engineering. And so with that, next slide, please.

[1:33:40] If there's any questions, I'd

[1:33:41] to entertain them, and it's not, and staff would request lead, respect, counsel, approve the

[1:33:47] Hall of Flowers, 241, special use from it.

[1:33:53] All right.

[1:33:54] Thank you very much.

[1:34:00] So I do see we have a speaker that you have a question before we get public comment.

[1:34:05] Public comment?

[1:34:07] Okay.

[1:34:08] All right.

[1:34:08] If there's no questions before public comment, then we'd like to go ahead and give you the

[1:34:12] public and opportunity to chime in on this if you've joined us on our Zoom meeting and you

[1:34:19] wish to make public comment on this item. If you would please use the raised hand feature,

[1:34:24] or if you've joined us by telephone dial star 9, the city clerk will see you and recognize you.

[1:34:28] If you've joined us here in person, hopefully you've filled out a speaker card, but if you haven't,

[1:34:34] then if you'd please signal by raising your hand or waving at the clerk, then she will call on you.

[1:34:39] So I'll turn over the city clerk to direct public comment.

[1:34:44] I see no hands raised on Zoom.

[1:34:47] Mayor, and I did not receive any request to speak forms.

[1:34:49] Is there any member of the public that wishes to speak on this item?

[1:34:55] All right.

[1:34:55] Then we're turn it back to the council.

[1:34:57] Council member Carnivali.

[1:35:03] Thank you Mr. Mayor.

[1:35:05] A couple of questions.

[1:35:08] Is there anybody alive music there?

[1:35:10] Any vans?

[1:35:12] No sir.

[1:35:15] There would be music, there would be music played at a low level that would be in performance

[1:35:20] with our noise ordinance and the music would be in speakers that would be relocated within

[1:35:26] that out for area and all of those speakers would be pointed into the out for area.

[1:35:31] Okay, and then as far as the neighbors right behind them, I know they're pretty close

[1:35:35] up there so they won't be disturbed during the day or later in the evening.

[1:35:39] It was sort of a thing that was important for the applicant appreciated that.

[1:35:45] Thankfully, I think we have a couple of things going for us, one, the applicant has been very

[1:35:49] reasonable in the application, but then we try to think around those corners about keeping

[1:35:53] the volume low.

[1:35:54] And so the fact that there's a really almost a three-story building, certainly two-story building,

[1:36:00] that is locking that out the word area from that residential area.

[1:36:05] And how late does this go?

[1:36:06] are the event ends at 7 p.m., 7 p.m. Okay, that's not too late in the evening because

[1:36:12] where the the right share is that could get noisy later in the evening. The ground there is that rock or is it

[1:36:22] gravel dirt? Well, Council, thank you for that question and that was

[1:36:30] Hence the reason why there have been two locations that have been contemplated.

[1:36:35] So previously there was a hard service there that was removed by the owner.

[1:36:40] And so as a result of the removal, it's just dirt.

[1:36:45] So in order for the applicant to be able to use it, he has got to drop gravel.

[1:36:50] And there's some issues with that.

[1:36:51] So he's come up with a solution to not drop gravel and use mats.

[1:36:55] If that doesn't work, then he can use five papers.

[1:37:02] This would be a question for the Chief of Police.

[1:37:05] Or maybe even used to.

[1:37:07] You know, they're going to employ seven local police officers.

[1:37:10] Is that all at one time?

[1:37:12] Or is that two during the day to at night?

[1:37:14] How's that work out?

[1:37:16] Yeah, that would be during the operating hours.

[1:37:18] Seven officers during operating hours?

[1:37:21] Yes, sir.

[1:37:22] Then chief, do you have that extra flexibility of

[1:37:28] service?

[1:37:29] Are you sure that you're able to have that amount of service

[1:37:32] for them on that date?

[1:37:39] All right.

[1:37:40] And Stone, this is going to probably be the last question.

[1:37:42] I'm going to ask it's most important in my book.

[1:37:46] I've never seen an order mitigation

[1:37:48] or whatever that's called outside.

[1:37:51] It says it's finstoff.

[1:37:53] It's not tinned it off.

[1:37:55] It's, yeah, it's finstoff.

[1:37:57] It's just finstoff.

[1:37:58] And you're telling me that this machine here will stop odor of the marijuana from leaving that thin stop area.

[1:38:09] Yes, because it's not just the machine, and I appreciate this question.

[1:38:14] Tracy, would you be able to pull up that presentation and go back a few slides to that floor plan,

[1:38:22] in doing out the programming?

[1:38:27] Because as you remember, I wasn't really big on our cannabis lounges, and now if I go ahead

[1:38:34] and vote yes on this, I'm kind of going against what I did with the dispensaries and

[1:38:39] not do our lounges.

[1:38:40] So my concern is maybe we can do it one time, but I got to be concerned and I got to be

[1:38:52] businesses, so that's my concern at this point.

[1:38:56] So, Council Member Cardabelle, I appreciate those concerns and I appreciate your desire

[1:39:00] to be congruent with your previous, you know, previous positions.

[1:39:04] I think that there's two material facts in our favor with this.

[1:39:07] The first one is that the smells that we have a city of struggle with,

[1:39:12] especially on one press road, have come from the growth facilities,

[1:39:16] where there's a massive amount of concentrated cannabis.

[1:39:20] And even though I'm not a cannabis user, I've talked to people that are cannabis operators.

[1:39:27] And they said that there's a massive difference, significant difference between the smell generated, the volume and the intensity, the smell generated from the growth facility.

[1:39:37] First is the smell generated from an individual or a couple of individuals to swimming cannabis.

[1:39:44] Yeah, that consumption may not necessarily be smoking consumption. It could be through an inhaler or it could be through edibles or

[1:39:52] Maybe even food. I don't know, but it's not just smoking of it

[1:39:57] And so I think that's the big one and then the second one is

[1:40:01] Maybe what I can do here is I can put up on my screen

[1:40:04] And that is is that floor

[1:40:06] Let up and then I can share the screen hopefully counts. You guys here. Oh, you do. Oh, okay, really

[1:40:14] Oh, great. Thank you, Tracy. So if you take a look at the purple line, so it's a dash line that goes around the outdoor area, that's marked in main box to the red letter down.

[1:40:26] So what that is is, I want to say that's a six to eight inch wide height.

[1:40:32] That's going to have multiple perforations along the entire side of the pipe and it's going to run.

[1:40:38] That along the fence of that that purple dash.

[1:40:43] And so it's going to be putting out this, essentially, industrial, non-poxic version of

[1:40:49] factories all along that area.

[1:40:54] And this OMI, this cannibalish, apparently what it does is the same thing with the way it

[1:40:59] works with, you know, putting down asphalt, which is horribly smelly, or, you know, wastewater

[1:41:05] treatment plants, where it's all outdoors, and you've got this massive smell, apparently

[1:41:09] it binds with it and neutralizes it.

[1:41:11] It doesn't mask it, it doesn't over-commit,

[1:41:13] but somehow it neutralizes it.

[1:41:16] And so that's why the applicants,

[1:41:18] based on their work with OMI,

[1:41:20] which is their industry, is eliminating odors

[1:41:24] and really bad odors.

[1:41:27] That's why staff is comfortable at the fact

[1:41:31] that this is the bucket of beer problem for neighbors.

[1:41:42] Okay, very interesting, so I can say, thank you, Stone, Mr. Mayor, it's all I have.

[1:41:46] All right, thank you, Council Member, Council Member Ross, your next.

[1:41:56] Mr. Mayor, it's possible to have Council Member Ross, maybe use Council Member Lam's microphone,

[1:42:03] because I can't hear her at all.

[1:42:06] Is it worth working now?

[1:42:08] It is worth working now.

[1:42:09] Yeah, the computer genie throughout to get me tonight.

[1:42:15] So I have put some thought into this too and sort of bouncing off of what Council Member

[1:42:21] Carnivala said, because this outdoor area, according to the map, is 56,000 square feet.

[1:42:26] I mean, that's a, that's a huge outdoor area, but it is true from my experience and I guess

[1:42:32] I'm going to talk about tobacco, I suppose it's a third of marijuana, is I hate the

[1:42:37] But if I were half a block away, I'm not going to smell it.

[1:42:41] It doesn't, it's not pervasive, like growing is.

[1:42:45] I am concerned about two things.

[1:42:48] One is, one's just more kind of a curious, I guess.

[1:42:52] You are expecting 3,500 people and having 1,300 booths.

[1:42:57] I don't see how anybody can stay in business with 2.75 customers.

[1:43:04] Stone?

[1:43:05] Yes.

[1:43:05] So, so those are estimates provided by Danny and if Danny would like to discuss some more of the specifics

[1:43:13] He is certainly welcome to do so, but it's

[1:43:17] Why since I can't see him?

[1:43:19] I don't know if he's gonna get up and talk about this. He's up now

[1:43:23] Yeah, would you please approach and use the microphone here? Does that seem on to cancel those numbers?

[1:43:29] So no, 3,500, not necessarily, but it's a 3500 people in total over two days.

[1:43:36] Yes.

[1:43:37] The first day, it's similar to the event we have next month.

[1:43:41] It's a speaking of the microphone.

[1:43:44] We have about exhibitors around between 1300 to 1500 visitors.

[1:43:52] They won visitors, but as the retail buyers, it's about 1000.

[1:43:56] and then another 1,000 that have tickets only for the second day.

[1:44:01] Out of the original 2,500, it's easily additional maybe 500 to 750 are not going to attend the second day.

[1:44:11] So the second day at the peak will have about 2,500 to 2,750 people.

[1:44:19] Exhibitors if you were asking, there are about 250 exhibitors in total.

[1:44:24] I'm sorry, some more than 300, 1300 exhibitors, that was...

[1:44:28] That's individuals.

[1:44:31] That's everybody who's at one level.

[1:44:34] You know that makes me feel so much better for you.

[1:44:37] You know we're concerned when people come to our city.

[1:44:38] We want them to be successful.

[1:44:40] And then the last question I would have would be regarding handicapped parking.

[1:44:45] So if you're going to be moving over into a facility that has 1700 that can hold 1700 cars,

[1:44:50] You're going to need 22 handicapped spaces and five van spaces. Are you going to be providing those as well?

[1:45:00] We will find if not there, we'll find a parking problem, we can do that next to the venue, actually.

[1:45:05] Okay, but if there's any of that quantity to offset the parking there, if you're having that, any, if there is. So 22 and 5.

[1:45:13] Yeah, 22. 22 had to have spots in five van spots for that, many people.

[1:45:20] You can look at the laws on that. Look up the laws on that. Okay. Thank you, that's all.

[1:45:25] All right, thank you, and while you're up, let me just, so when you have an exhibitor and then you have attendees, they don't just go, they hopefully the attendees go to each of the booths as accurate.

[1:45:36] So each exhibitor would hopefully have hundreds of people that would visit there.

[1:45:40] Hopefully they're moved.

[1:45:43] And there is some, there was some talk about samples sold for $2 as that's the plan.

[1:45:50] And so I assume what type of quantity, I mean, I suppose it matters.

[1:45:55] I would kind of product they have, but are we talking about very small?

[1:45:57] We, yeah, we're taking from the brands are allowed to give us two skews, 200 items each

[1:46:05] that's 200 in total.

[1:46:07] In the last event, we had the 22,000 item exchange in Hens.

[1:46:12] Right, but they're a smaller, are they some of them larger than others?

[1:46:16] It's like retail items, it can be small, it can be larger,

[1:46:20] and it's normally all fit in a shopping bag, and by low,

[1:46:26] we need to have a retail partner, and it's local retail partners,

[1:46:30] obviously sitting here, it's a Spencer,

[1:46:32] which is across the street, the wallet.

[1:46:34] All right.

[1:46:35] All right, thank you very much.

[1:46:38] So while you're up here, I know that we spoke about the parking.

[1:46:41] It seems like are the right share drop-off.

[1:46:44] So, of course, there was some concern, not that we want to select the business as an

[1:46:49] emission plaza, but this is our first event, and we don't necessarily want to create

[1:46:55] a situation where we have a lot of pedestrian traffic, we understand there will be some,

[1:47:01] but a lot of pedestrian traffic across state palm to the point where it becomes annoying to

[1:47:06] people that use state palm during the time between 11 and 7 or before.

[1:47:13] We'll say an hour before and half an hour after, also, you know, if people come and go.

[1:47:19] But so the actual, and this may be a more of a question for Stone, the actual conditions

[1:47:25] of approval, though, do you talk about the use of mission plaza parking lot?

[1:47:29] Well, those are those going to be amended out, especially at the end of the year.

[1:47:34] Yes, sir.

[1:47:34] That will be struck, and that was something that I had gotten agreement from Danny, that

[1:47:39] there would not be any right-share allowed within the mission

[1:47:43] plaza. It would only be either or, maybe,

[1:47:46] bulls, but either on the 13.5 acres or on the actual site.

[1:47:51] But being his grade, not to have mission plaza at all.

[1:47:53] So I just need to strike that from the conditions of approval.

[1:47:56] Okay, and as far as the parking at mission plaza,

[1:47:59] it is public parking, is there going to be some type of signage,

[1:48:02] or something to discourage?

[1:48:07] Rogue attendees from parking themselves across the street and then walking across.

[1:48:12] Yeah, definitely.

[1:48:12] I believe that it's already one of the conditions.

[1:48:15] Okay.

[1:48:16] All right.

[1:48:18] Thank you very much.

[1:48:19] And of course, as previously discussed, the events started as 11 o'clock.

[1:48:24] We hope that it's after the morning rush hours.

[1:48:27] Normally we finish the events at 6 o'clock in this time we'll do that in 7 o'clock again

[1:48:32] to help with the traffic as well.

[1:48:36] Yes, well, we certainly wanted to go smoothly, so.

[1:48:39] All right.

[1:48:40] Count, are Mayor Patel Gutierrez.

[1:48:43] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[1:48:44] Well, once again, thank you for coming back and actually

[1:48:47] having encouraged to have the events in our city.

[1:48:51] And I'm impressed with my number one concern

[1:48:54] first of all is order mitigation.

[1:48:57] And it seems like you have still addressed that issue very well.

[1:49:01] And I think you will succeed on that.

[1:49:04] If I may add one thing just to increase the confidence,

[1:49:08] the company that we appointed, the big industrial company,

[1:49:12] the meaning, the being in the automation business before cannabis,

[1:49:17] and they have, it's the company that made the first lounge, consumption lounge in West Hollywood,

[1:49:24] with residential, I mean, next door, and they have done it successfully,

[1:49:28] And that's why we reached them and the rest was history, basically, got them to agree to do this event.

[1:49:35] So, they already have proven truck record. That's the bottom line.

[1:49:39] Well, we're open to succeed, because as has been discussed in other meetings,

[1:49:45] this is kind of an experiment for us as the weather we allow expansion in other outdoor consumption.

[1:49:51] So, we'll see.

[1:49:51] Yeah, so this will be like a pilot program for us to see if we, in the future, will visit other businesses to have

[1:50:01] a lounge, a door lounge. Now, the visitors must be licensed cannabis

[1:50:09] individuals correct. Sorry, the visitors to the event will be licensed

[1:50:16] individuals correct?

[1:50:17] The exhibitors.

[1:50:19] Yeah, exhibitors.

[1:50:20] The exhibitors need to be 21 and up.

[1:50:23] Oh, okay.

[1:50:23] But they don't have to be licensed.

[1:50:26] I mean, some of them are.

[1:50:28] They want to invite them on the retail buyers, which we pre-screened them.

[1:50:32] And they do there's some other people in the industry.

[1:50:36] But it's all 21 and up and it's all professionals.

[1:50:40] Okay, great.

[1:50:40] And where you have the events in the past,

[1:50:45] you've had this event somewhere else in the past, right?

[1:50:48] Have you had any issues with odor or any other issues

[1:50:52] that you can tell us about?

[1:50:54] No, we had it's our fourth event in September.

[1:50:57] You'll welcome in Santa Rosa, Northern California.

[1:51:02] And no, the other events in the beginning hours,

[1:51:05] the Emerald High Times, which are the consumer events

[1:51:09] or the four or five times the size.

[1:51:12] I'm not aware of an issue that they had.

[1:51:14] And parking is actually also across the street.

[1:51:18] So there is kind of a use of a crosswalk,

[1:51:23] also, I'm not aware of an issue.

[1:51:26] And normally, honestly, the professional people

[1:51:28] in kind of is a very respectful.

[1:51:31] I mean, then understand what is it to go through,

[1:51:34] you know,

[1:51:36] legally chosen.

[1:51:39] For my experience, very respectful and, you know,

[1:51:44] debating whatever regulation we impose.

[1:51:48] And what can I experience that you have with the city?

[1:51:53] Are you going back to the same city, having the event there?

[1:51:56] Yes, same city, same people, four times.

[1:51:59] So, you really should have with the city was pretty well.

[1:52:02] I've been worked out great.

[1:52:04] I believe that for last 2019 I was asked to provide a letter from them and I think I provided it

[1:52:14] and I'll be happy to do that again for you.

[1:52:17] Okay.

[1:52:18] Now, if you need any volunteers for quality control, sign me up.

[1:52:24] Thank you, signed.

[1:52:26] Well, I believe last time the Mayor of Rotem had you up here, he was encouraging you

[1:52:30] if you had any way to have some type of a charitable arm

[1:52:36] to some of our local charities,

[1:52:41] especially those that benefit the use of the seniors.

[1:52:44] So you might want to just keep that in mind.

[1:52:45] That's of course not a condition of a person's.

[1:52:49] But we certainly encourage that type of behavior for some.

[1:52:54] We do.

[1:52:55] And that was in the van for the senior center.

[1:53:00] All right, any other questions or counsel?

[1:53:04] I do have one quick one.

[1:53:05] You know, given the fact that you go to sporting events,

[1:53:09] a lot of baseball games, football games, professional.

[1:53:13] And they stopped serving alcohol.

[1:53:17] Sometimes earlier in the game, maybe like the last quarter of a football game,

[1:53:22] or a seventh inning of a baseball game.

[1:53:25] Should we limit the time when indulging?

[1:53:27] I mean, is this something we want to talk about or it's seven o'clock, I mean, the

[1:53:32] big ol' episode?

[1:53:32] I think the difference is, that's what this event is, is looking at the products where

[1:53:41] a ballgame you have the ballgame and then those other activities are ancillary to the

[1:53:45] ballgame.

[1:53:46] I thought I'd just bring it up with you.

[1:53:48] I'm not discreet with you, but I part of that appeals to me, but I think frankly, if

[1:53:52] you stopped serving at six o'clock, most people would leave it, because there's no reason

[1:53:57] I don't want to hurt this finance, so I just want to throw that in this part.

[1:54:01] I would be, I would personally agree with you more if this was running pretty late,

[1:54:07] but if they're proposing a close at seven o'clock, so.

[1:54:10] I agree, Mr. Mayan.

[1:54:13] So, first of all, there's no alcohol just to be clear, there's zero alcohol.

[1:54:20] And then, I mean, consumption, you know, it will be 20% of the people.

[1:54:29] Most people come to the business, take the sample, and go home.

[1:54:32] For the more, you know, they'll go hang out to be outside.

[1:54:36] It's mostly will do during the day and at the last hour.

[1:54:42] The outdoor is normally busy around midday.

[1:54:49] All right.

[1:54:49] Good.

[1:54:50] Any other questions?

[1:54:51] All right, Council, it's in front of you now if somebody would like to make a motion one where the other.

[1:54:59] All right.

[1:55:00] Just something, huh?

[1:55:02] Well, then we can, we can do a roll call.

[1:55:04] I would ask if, if whoever makes the motion if you would make sure that you make sure that it's modified that the,

[1:55:10] the right chair is not, is, includes that the right chair is, is not going to be, or they're not going to use the parking lot at mission.

[1:55:18] And Mayor, the way to do that is to strike condition number 19 from the conditions of approval.

[1:55:25] All right.

[1:55:25] I don't know if that was that simple because there may have to be some wording modifications,

[1:55:28] especially if part of the drop-off is also at the 13 and a half acres.

[1:55:33] But I'm okay.

[1:55:35] I'm okay with that.

[1:55:36] So we have a mover.

[1:55:37] Ernesto Gutierrez is okay with you to strike.

[1:55:39] Action number 19.

[1:55:40] Actually.

[1:55:44] What?

[1:55:47] the right chair in the strike what you want me to have the right

[1:55:51] sharing around long-gerald forward but there's actually a condition in there that gave

[1:55:55] them the ability to move the right sharing over to the mission plaza that was that was

[1:55:59] condition 19 so the city manager suggest that we don't want to have the right share

[1:56:05] drop off over there with the people walking across the street that we strike so move

[1:56:09] to strike 19.

[1:56:11] OK, then I'll make the motion to accept the Hall of Flowers

[1:56:17] Tratial Special Use Permit December 2021

[1:56:20] with the condition of moving the right sharing on 19.

[1:56:25] We have a motion by Council Member.

[1:56:27] Part of all, you do I have a second?

[1:56:30] Since we're doing it, voice.

[1:56:32] Second by Mayor Protem Gutierrez and the other discussion.

[1:56:36] Then I'll ask for a roll, call vote.

[1:56:39] Council member Ross?

[1:56:41] Yes.

[1:56:41] Council member Lam?

[1:56:42] Yes.

[1:56:43] Council member Carnivali.

[1:56:45] Mayor Pro Tem Gutierrez?

[1:56:46] Yes.

[1:56:47] Mayor Gregory.

[1:56:48] Yes.

[1:56:52] If you'd be helpful to take a short break to get the computer going again,

[1:56:55] or is that not going to help?

[1:56:57] We can just do roll call vote.

[1:56:59] All right.

[1:57:04] So let's just take a little two second break.

[1:57:06] We can just, two minute break.

[1:57:08] We can just kind of stay right here and hopefully you can get.

[1:57:10] I, my, it's still on un-newed, so I may chair, but it doesn't move.

[1:57:18] I'd probably, I'd probably, I'd see like they last a while, and they poop out.

[1:57:22] Okay, it'll, in my last.

[1:57:30] All right, we're ready to move on.

[1:57:32] The next, next item on our agenda is item 7C and update on emergency actions related to COVID-19.

[1:57:38] Mr. City Manager.

[1:57:40] Thank you, Mayor.

[1:57:41] Members of the Council.

[1:57:43] I wish I had better news on COVID-19, but the news is not good.

[1:57:49] Our, we received updated numbers from the county today, related to Cathedral City, and our average daily total of new cases per day over the last seven days is now up almost to 20.

[1:58:02] To give you some perspective, the last time we were that high was February 8th, which was when we were coming off of the significant peak.

[1:58:14] That mirrors what we're seeing in the Riverside County numbers, the state of California

[1:58:21] numbers, and actually the one bit of good news, we're better off in California and

[1:58:29] in Riverside County than much of the United States, particularly the southeast, which is

[1:58:34] seeing much higher surge numbers even than we are here.

[1:58:41] I issued an emergency order on Thursday to require and thank you all for

[1:58:48] complying with it for requiring masking in city halls and city facilities regardless

[1:58:55] of vaccination status.

[1:58:58] And so that applies to our staff and that applies to visitors to city facilities.

[1:59:05] So, at the very least, tonight, you will need to either ratify or rescind that emergency order.

[1:59:12] My recommendation, of course, would be to keep that in place.

[1:59:18] Right now, I would issue it as an expiration of September 30th.

[1:59:21] That can be modified, however, at any time, based on the conditions on the ground.

[1:59:27] So to speak.

[1:59:29] I also attached to your staff report, that emergency order, but as well the actions taken by the Palm Springs City Council you have received a number of emails and comments from residents related to the actions that Palm Springs has taken, so I included those for your information.

[1:59:50] We have also experienced some cases among City staff recently, fortunately, everybody seems.

[2:00:01] Okay, I mean, they're not severe cases, but nonetheless that affects our ability to continue to, you know, be open and provide services when people have to be out and people that were in contact with them have to be quarantining and things like that.

[2:00:16] I will say that our human resources staff is doing a good job of managing that and staying on top of it and making sure that people receive the required notifications.

[2:00:24] And our department heads are doing the best they can to continue to keep the services going in the face of some of these shortages caused by people having to be out.

[2:00:35] To that end, I would recommend that we go back temporarily to the use of email telephone and online services at City Hall rather than having people walk in to do that.

[2:00:52] I think that's safer for our frontline staff

[2:00:55] and I think that that's safer for the public, honestly.

[2:00:58] And we did that for over a year and got pretty good at it.

[2:01:01] And I think the conditions indicate that we should do that again now.

[2:01:06] Other than that, I did provide you with a graph that shows visually

[2:01:12] what our case numbers look like and it goes actually over the course of the entire pandemic.

[2:01:19] And what I find interesting is today, we're almost back to where we were with the summer time surge a year ago.

[2:01:27] And of course, at that time, restaurants were closed and everything, almost everything was shut down.

[2:01:36] So I think we've seen it at the time.

[2:01:39] Pardon me?

[2:01:40] There were no vaccines at the time.

[2:01:41] There were no vaccines at the time.

[2:01:42] Now we've learned a lot since then.

[2:01:44] And I think that that is helping to better manage situations.

[2:01:49] We know with some, and help, I'm quoting health officials.

[2:01:54] Health officials know with some degree of certainty that things like face covering actually

[2:01:59] help to reduce the numbers.

[2:02:02] So I think that that's sort of the good news that we have learned things over the last year.

[2:02:07] And as I indicated last time we have a fairly high rate of vaccination, this is by self-atestation, we have not asked people to prove it.

[2:02:19] In city hall we're about 85% and around the city total we're about 65%.

[2:02:25] That helps, but we are still experiencing as I indicated some degree of exposure and illness among our workforce.

[2:02:36] So with that you have the opportunity to discuss any type of options that you'd like to meet me to consider in terms of further emergency orders and I will stop with that.

[2:02:53] Thank you.

[2:02:55] All right.

[2:02:56] Thank you very much.

[2:02:57] Any questions before public comments?

[2:03:02] All right.

[2:03:02] I'm going to go ahead and open up the public comments.

[2:03:04] If you've joined us by Zoom and you wish to make a public comment on this item,

[2:03:08] this is your opportunity to do so.

[2:03:09] You please use the raised hand feature on your device.

[2:03:14] The City Clerk will recognize you.

[2:03:16] If you are joined by phone, please dial star 9.

[2:03:19] If you are here in person, you will just speak on this item.

[2:03:21] Hopefully you've turned out to turn to the speaker's card,

[2:03:24] but if not, when the time comes,

[2:03:26] please signal the clerks shall call on you.

[2:03:29] City Clerk.

[2:03:31] So we have a few hands raised on Zoom.

[2:03:34] So the first speaker will be Alan Cavallo.

[2:03:36] All

[2:03:40] right, welcome Mr. Corvalo.

[2:03:43] Yes, but evening, thank you for taking my call.

[2:03:46] I know we're all suffering with COVID, fatigue, and mask fatigue.

[2:03:50] But I think that public safety is always priority one.

[2:03:54] And I hope that you'll all make the right decision.

[2:03:57] And really enforce it for public safety.

[2:04:01] I have to commend Charlie for wanting to go back to how the city was being run

[2:04:07] with the City Hall being closed to the public.

[2:04:10] I do think that that is the best interest of the public.

[2:04:13] I also want to make sure that when council members

[2:04:16] are questioned about agenda items,

[2:04:20] it's really helpful for you to answer the questions

[2:04:22] of the constituents, the people that voted you into office.

[2:04:26] When you avoid the question,

[2:04:28] recently, council member Lam was asked a question

[2:04:30] and it was put all over Facebook

[2:04:32] that she avoided answering the question,

[2:04:34] which was this exact question.

[2:04:36] how do you feel about public safety and concerns about COVID?

[2:04:42] We have a right to know how you feel before you come here and allow other council members

[2:04:46] to influence your decision.

[2:04:48] That's my concern.

[2:04:49] So I appreciate being given an opportunity to address this, but we're watching everything

[2:04:53] you guys are doing and we really appreciate that you keep public safety in focus.

[2:04:59] Thank you very much.

[2:05:00] All right.

[2:05:00] Thank you.

[2:05:04] The next speaker is going to be Danny Lee.

[2:05:09] All right.

[2:05:10] Welcome to Danny Lee.

[2:05:12] If you don't mute yourself, you have three minutes.

[2:05:14] Thank you.

[2:05:16] Yes.

[2:05:17] I welcomed both the city managers actions this week, but also I've read through the changes

[2:05:27] that the Palm Springs made, and I see it's also in your agenda packet, and I re-read it

[2:05:33] again this evening. It strikes me that they've gone in exactly the right direction in order

[2:05:39] to protect the city and the public. And I think we need to go a lot further than where

[2:05:44] we are right now. Another point that I'd like to make is that with the two cities, Cathedral

[2:05:53] city of Palm Springs being adjacent and having a lot of commercial traffic between the

[2:06:01] two, often people shop in both locations, for example, or go to restaurants in both

[2:06:05] locations. It will be really helpful if we could get to a point where changes are

[2:06:11] coordinated across the two cities and where emergency orders were actually applicable in

[2:06:17] cities were possible. So for example if masks are required in Palm Springs

[2:06:24] stores then we should have that same change if applicable in Cathedral City.

[2:06:30] I'm not saying that they should be in lockstep but I do think that it would be

[2:06:34] beneficial for residents for changes to be consistent across cities and also

[2:06:40] good for businesses to know where they stand particularly if they have

[2:06:45] most cities. So I would highly recommend going much more towards the way that Palm Springs has

[2:06:52] got this now and ensuring that we protect citizens with mask wearing in all premises and

[2:07:02] and taking on board their recommendations for restaurants, pubs and other outlets. Thank you.

[2:07:10] Thank you for your comments. Next speaker.

[2:07:16] The next speaker is Bob Oda.

[2:07:23] Hi, can you hear me?

[2:07:24] Yes, welcome, Mr Oda.

[2:07:25] Good evening.

[2:07:28] Well, I guess we're all alarmed by the increase in community transmission that's been taking place.

[2:07:35] And we all kind of want to think through and do the right thing.

[2:07:39] I have a concern the same concern that Danny has

[2:07:42] is I know people now that are starting to go from cathedral city to Palm Springs to do their shopping.

[2:07:50] And to eat in restaurants and go to bars because they don't feel safe in our city.

[2:07:55] I know I don't feel safe in my local gym here.

[2:07:59] And so I'm considering quitting and going to a gym in Palm Springs.

[2:08:04] I think you can take some prudent actions and that would help out.

[2:08:09] And I would just encourage you to take the same actions as Palm Springs did regarding face

[2:08:16] coverings, to be worn in businesses.

[2:08:19] I think the details in their emergency action are both very specific and wise.

[2:08:27] The one thing they didn't cover was social distancing requirements.

[2:08:31] I think those could be included as well, especially in places like grocery store, checkout

[2:08:38] I know the other day I was in status, somebody was probably a foot from my backside in line, and I just felt very uncomfortable.

[2:08:51] I also think you could consider recommending or requiring local bars and restaurants to provide proof of vaccination or a negative COVID test for entry.

[2:09:03] I know the bars, some of the bars in Palm Springs started that, before it was required.

[2:09:10] And the bar owners actually reported that their customers appreciated it, and their business was going up instead of going down.

[2:09:19] You could also require that for all city permitted large events, especially those that are required a conditional use report like use permit,

[2:09:30] like you just approved for the trade show so anyway, do you want to thank you for your

[2:09:36] continuing efforts to protect our quality of life and our livelihoods and I know

[2:09:41] we're all in this together so we'll work it out together. Thanks again.

[2:09:46] Thank you very much. Any other speakers?

[2:09:51] Looks like Denise Cross would like to speak.

[2:09:54] All

[2:09:58] right. Welcome Denise Cross. Thank you for all you guys.

[2:10:05] do. I appreciate you so much. It is true that Palm Springs restaurants actually, if you're

[2:10:12] not vaccinated, you don't work them. All visitors have to provide a vaccination card with

[2:10:19] ID and wear a mask. Village Fest outside is masked and I would like to see that whatever is

[2:10:27] going on in our city, particularly possibly at big league dreams, I don't know what else

[2:10:35] goes on.

[2:10:37] But that is a certain amount of comfort because it's just spreading too fast and we worry

[2:10:47] about the unvaccinated mostly.

[2:10:50] So keep doing what you're doing and thank you so much, Charlie, for always staying up

[2:10:55] and I appreciate that and I hope all private sector joins in on whatever it is possible to keep us keep this the numbers down in our hospital beds open.

[2:11:10] Thank you.

[2:11:11] Thank you very much.

[2:11:14] Any other speakers?

[2:11:16] I see no other hands via Zoom and I did not receive any request to speak forms here.

[2:11:22] is there any member of the audience that would like to speak on this item?

[2:11:28] All right, then go ahead and close comments or turn the matter back to the council.

[2:11:35] Council member Lam.

[2:11:41] Yes, thank you so much and thank you for your presentation and thank you for those comments and

[2:11:47] you know the editorial voice and the desert sun just to me it just summed it up perfectly.

[2:11:54] And despite the complaints of allowed minority, there's no excuse for those who are able to be vaccinated, not to have done so at this point.

[2:12:03] And I had a chance to chat with several people over the last week or so as the instances of COVID-19 escalated.

[2:12:12] And they were sharing with me the incident in Bouton.

[2:12:16] Bouton has 93% of their community vaccinated.

[2:12:21] And they did it in less than three weeks.

[2:12:24] And there are two overarching issues where it's the science

[2:12:30] and solidarity.

[2:12:32] And we are a community of attraction rather than promotion.

[2:12:36] And we want our business community to thrive,

[2:12:39] and our personal safety to be secure.

[2:12:41] So, the specifics that our city manager has talked about are brilliant and I think we need

[2:12:49] to reinforce that and whatever else specifically we need to do to ensure their community

[2:12:53] is safe and this does not spread.

[2:12:56] Over the course of these 30, we've had, you know, for 18 months we've had these discussions

[2:13:03] There have been 30, 32 conversations about this in City Council and the chambers of commerce,

[2:13:15] specific cities and across Coachella Valley have talked about our reliance, perhaps over reliance on tourism.

[2:13:23] And if tourists are not going to feel safe coming here, they're not going to feel safe and we're going to suffer.

[2:13:28] And so what we can do and actions that we need to take, I think that's our responsibility.

[2:13:34] Thank you.

[2:13:36] Thank you.

[2:13:38] Councilmember Ross.

[2:13:40] Thank you so much.

[2:13:41] This opportunity to speak on what is a dire and important issue.

[2:13:47] I do not think that people should be forced to take a vaccine.

[2:13:52] But that doesn't mean I don't think they have responsibilities.

[2:13:56] and they don't have actions that may impact them.

[2:14:02] So for instance, I support the idea of closing the city hall,

[2:14:06] but when we talk about city staff,

[2:14:09] I don't think we can put a needle in anybody's arm

[2:14:11] who doesn't want to take the vaccine,

[2:14:14] but we can require testing.

[2:14:17] We can say that if you are not vaccinated,

[2:14:20] you must prove weekly that you are COVID-free.

[2:14:23] If you are to roam the halls with us, there are thousands of children in our street who are not not our streets, but you know in our city who are not eligible to be vaccinated.

[2:14:36] They have no protection other than masks, and it is our responsibility as adults, and especially our responsibility in my estimation as city leaders to make sure that we do everything we can to protect the citizens of our city.

[2:14:53] Many, many years ago, 30 probably now, the state of Oregon voted on whether or not to dis-

[2:15:00] This allows smoking in bars in Oregon. And it was a brew-ha-ha for sure, and the restaurant owner said,

[2:15:06] you're going to put us out of business all of our customer smoke. But it turned out 80% of the people

[2:15:12] didn't smoke. And yes, the smokers didn't smoke inside the restaurants anymore, but businesses

[2:15:18] increased because they appreciated having a consideration on their behalf. This is way more than

[2:15:26] just somebody smelling or being affected by some cigarette smoke.

[2:15:30] This is potentially putting people in danger.

[2:15:34] And I for one, and I am just one of this body,

[2:15:38] would like to do everything in my power to protect our city,

[2:15:43] our city, employees, and this very council.

[2:15:46] Thank you.

[2:15:48] Thank you.

[2:15:48] Council member Carnivalding.

[2:15:55] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[2:15:59] This situation here is one of those you're darned if you do it if you don't.

[2:16:04] You know, act into quickly, it can be, it could hurt business.

[2:16:09] You know, not acting quickly enough has its consequences.

[2:16:14] I agree with Council.

[2:16:16] The most important thing here on this council is to protect our staff members here at City Hall,

[2:16:23] our residents and visiting terrorists that come into town here.

[2:16:31] It's inevitable that we're going to have to do something, but when do you want to do it?

[2:16:36] Do you want to do it tonight?

[2:16:37] Do you want to do it next week?

[2:16:39] How are we going to do it?

[2:16:40] I think there's got to be a plan.

[2:16:42] I think we have to move forward.

[2:16:44] Did we single out restaurants and just say, just restaurants or the only one that has, you

[2:16:48] have to wear a mask and restaurants or like, I don't know, we just said earlier, the

[2:16:52] gentleman on the phone and supermarkets, do we have that control to do that?

[2:16:59] I mean, how do we get the message out that we want to do something here at Katito City

[2:17:03] and get it done?

[2:17:06] I agree with Councilmember Ross, we have to do something, but we can't force people to do it.

[2:17:13] I'm kind of, I'm more leaning on doing some kind of regulation that we have to wear masks

[2:17:20] in indoors, maybe all businesses, but it has to be planned out.

[2:17:24] This can't be what I want.

[2:17:25] It's got to be what this council wants here.

[2:17:28] But I would suggest take the next week, maybe two,

[2:17:32] or maybe the emergency meeting that we have.

[2:17:34] We could discuss it and come up with the plan.

[2:17:37] It's inevitable what we're going to do is something.

[2:17:40] But I don't have all the answers for it.

[2:17:42] So I think we've got to be a little bit more aggressive.

[2:17:45] We have to be more considerate to the individuals that are concerned.

[2:17:49] So, that being said, I'd like to see something move forward, but what I'm not sure tonight

[2:17:56] would I have in mind.

[2:17:59] Thank you.

[2:18:00] Thank you.

[2:18:01] Mayor Patem Gutierrez.

[2:18:02] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[2:18:04] I have to agree with what my colleagues have to say.

[2:18:08] All of them have made great comments and including Charlie has made some remarkable decisions

[2:18:14] in his statement on top of this pandemic.

[2:18:16] we do have to make sure that we protect our residents and our employees, but one thing for

[2:18:23] sure that I have to echo with what Council Member Ross mentioned, the vaccine is not fully

[2:18:31] approved. I did it, but I cannot force any individual to take into force and to get it

[2:18:39] vaccine. If a cancer patient has the right to deny and to reject the any medication that

[2:18:48] will cure on from cancer, we have the right not to take this vaccine if we don't want

[2:18:55] to. Now, once this has been talked about that, probably the next 3 to 5 weeks, this vaccine

[2:19:04] or at least one of them will be approved by the FDA.

[2:19:09] Now, if that's the case, then that changes things.

[2:19:14] Any changes in the comments?

[2:19:16] The council member kind of mentioned.

[2:19:18] Then we can start making different decisions based on what

[2:19:23] the rate of infection turns out to be.

[2:19:28] In the meantime, I do not feel like we should be overstepping our boundaries.

[2:19:32] and did what our neighbor in city did, I think that's way over reaching when you don't have a vaccine and you take a test and that's has needs to be with

[2:19:43] insurance amount of time. Well that test is only as good as the minute that it was taken. Those people can

[2:19:53] In fact, the very next minute, when they walk out out of the testing center, that is not

[2:20:00] reliable.

[2:20:01] It is not good to do that.

[2:20:04] Now, I think we should take our time.

[2:20:07] And if necessary, like I was mentioned by Councilman Kern Valley, have an emergency meeting

[2:20:13] to take measures if need be.

[2:20:16] But in the meantime, I think the measures that our CD manager has taken, I proper and I

[2:20:22] with them. And I believe that we should just stay with what he says. And if necessary,

[2:20:30] make a difference changes as the necessary. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[2:20:36] Thank you. And I see you, Council Member, let me let me chime in here.

[2:20:42] So I hear everyone

[2:20:45] saying safety is the most important. And when the gets bad enough, they will have to do something.

[2:20:52] I think it's bad enough that we have to do something.

[2:20:58] So I don't know exactly what that means that we need to wait.

[2:21:04] Also, when it comes to masks,

[2:21:09] I am clearly in support of what the city manager has already done.

[2:21:14] I am very much in support of having a citywide mask mandate,

[2:21:19] whether you're vaccinated or not, just like we did before.

[2:21:23] And that would be everywhere, including the stores,

[2:21:27] including the bars and restaurants and leisure actively.

[2:21:29] And we had all of those exceptions before.

[2:21:32] And that seems to be clear to me

[2:21:36] that there's plenty of evidence to do that.

[2:21:39] So that's the mask part.

[2:21:42] When it comes to the meetings and closing city hall,

[2:21:46] I believe that we should set a good example.

[2:21:48] We should close city hall.

[2:21:49] and we should go back to having our online meetings for a period of time, and I know that

[2:21:55] probably the clock is ticking when we can have those unless something changes anyways,

[2:21:59] but for a period of time, I think we should go back and do that. It keeps from having to have all of the staff here and exposed.

[2:22:09] So that's one mask or one question to me. They're easier and clearer. Vaccinations is another question.

[2:22:15] So, I have to say, I agree that we shouldn't be forcing people to have needles in the arms.

[2:22:24] But I think, again, that it's serious enough here that, and we've been kind of pushing this around a little bit as far as making a decision.

[2:22:34] And I think we really ought to take a stance that there are certain circumstances where people

[2:22:43] should either be vaccinated or be showing us a negative test within a reasonable period

[2:22:48] of time.

[2:22:49] I don't know about standing in the grocery store because people still need to get food.

[2:22:53] Although one could argue that they have a choice here.

[2:22:57] But other cities have certainly taken to bars and restaurants, and I know sometimes that

[2:23:02] It feels like you're being unfair, but people have to take off their masks in the bars and restaurants.

[2:23:08] So I certainly see a logic in requiring people either show proof of vaccination or a negative test in bars and restaurants.

[2:23:16] And then the issue nobody wants to touch, but I think really as time that we least are talking about it is about our own city employees.

[2:23:24] because while in some of our groups are as high as 85%,

[2:23:28] some of our groups are actually scarily low in their vaccination rates,

[2:23:34] even though the overall is 65%.

[2:23:37] And it has been pointed out even with the City Hall closed,

[2:23:41] some of those groups, especially the ones with lower rates,

[2:23:44] are the ones that are out there performing day-to-day contacts

[2:23:49] with member of the public, including children under 12

[2:23:52] that couldn't get vaccinated even if they wanted to.

[2:23:56] So I think that we should at least if not make a decision on that issue,

[2:24:03] we should at least be signaling that this, that is an issue on our considerations.

[2:24:09] So those are, those are my thoughts.

[2:24:12] Council Member Lam, your next for, for around two.

[2:24:18] Oh, there it goes, okay, great, and I agree with all that's being said, but I think there is a huge difference, and I'm not speaking from the CDC, I'm just saying there's a huge difference between a communal activity like eating and getting in a bar and taking your mask off.

[2:24:41] So that folks that are vaccinated,

[2:24:47] they're attracted to that, and they want to do that, and that's great.

[2:24:50] But that everybody is at risk by allowing somebody not vaccinated and possibly has COVID or lethal.

[2:25:00] So, in that I think is horrible, I mean, I think that is a false sense of security, assuming

[2:25:10] that they know what's best for them, and they're going to walk into an eating establishment.

[2:25:17] So, I think there is a big difference,

[2:25:22] and you know, in Councilman Ross talked about the children,

[2:25:27] I mean, here we have all these children at risk, they cannot, they cannot be vaccinated,

[2:25:33] they can't protect themselves, and they are 100% dependent on the adults using good

[2:25:39] judgment.

[2:25:40] I mean, my background is in primary education, and we, in, of this, of this, every parent

[2:25:46] had to come in and have immunization record and present that before they came into this school.

[2:25:51] Yes, there are exceptions.

[2:25:52] I understand that. We've had children a thousand students at a school and there were some exceptions,

[2:25:58] but by and large it was a safe camp. It was a safe camp. It was not by and large. It was a safe

[2:26:03] camp. And those exceptions were for other reasons. I just, I think I went to a school where we had

[2:26:13] One class per grade level was a little small school and one of my kindergarten buddies.

[2:26:22] She contracted polio and she was two years old and we would walk around the playground on

[2:26:29] her crutches and our playground was asphalt and it was a parking lot for the church on the weekends.

[2:26:36] That was the playground.

[2:26:38] So, you know, I saw that and when Jonah saw came through with the polio vaccine, we stood

[2:26:45] in line and got our sugarcute, that's how old I am.

[2:26:48] But it made a huge difference in my husband's lost two cousins to this disease, and it's

[2:26:55] definitely impacted our family.

[2:26:58] And, you know, one fellow gentleman lived in Palm Springs near the other end of him.

[2:27:01] So, it's not, it's not imaginary and we've had this conversation before and I think protecting the residents is what we need to do and the specific ways we're going to do it, you know, our city manager has already outlined some great things and we need to do something more.

[2:27:17] Thank you.

[2:27:21] Thank you.

[2:27:21] Council Member Ross.

[2:27:23] I'm going to try not to just repeat what I said before because, no, but that's pretty much where I stand.

[2:27:29] I concur with the mayor.

[2:27:31] I thought I had shared that, too,

[2:27:33] that I really believe city staff needs to either prove

[2:27:35] they've been vaccinated or a minimum of a test every week.

[2:27:40] It tests are simple now.

[2:27:42] They're not expensive.

[2:27:43] It's easy to do, and it protects everybody.

[2:27:46] Closing City Hall seems prudent for now.

[2:27:49] And the reason restaurants are single-ed out is because

[2:27:51] you take your mask off while you're in the restaurant.

[2:27:54] That's how it's different than the lingerie store,

[2:27:56] or different than the cigar shop.

[2:27:58] And when you, if we have the citywide mask mandate, then all of the other stores, all of the other establishments,

[2:28:07] will not be affected by not having a mask mandate.

[2:28:11] They'll still be protected in those stores.

[2:28:13] And I assure you for restaurant tears, I know my husband and I will start going out to restaurants all the time

[2:28:20] if we know that they're safe to enter.

[2:28:23] Because right now we're a little nervous.

[2:28:24] everybody should be a little nervous.

[2:28:27] These are nerve-wracking times.

[2:28:30] Thank you.

[2:28:31] Thank you.

[2:28:32] All right, so we have a number of items.

[2:28:35] I'll get to you.

[2:28:36] We have a number of items that we'll need to cover.

[2:28:40] Starting with our ratification or removal of the existing order.

[2:28:45] So Mr. City Attorney, if we want to touch on some of these other

[2:28:51] possible orders tonight, does that require a vote to put on the agenda or is it is the

[2:29:00] topic broad enough that we can discuss the other items?

[2:29:04] We're still operating under an emergency order and the emergency order the brown act allows

[2:29:08] you to add things to the agenda that relate to this item.

[2:29:14] It would hurt to hold the vote to just add it to the agenda.

[2:29:18] I think we've got the authority to do it anyway, especially since it's the Palm Springs

[2:29:23] ordinances are included in here for your order, for your consideration.

[2:29:29] But just to avoid anybody who might want to pick the Brown Act or if you want to add an

[2:29:34] item subsequent to the preparation of the agenda to talk about a citywide mass span and

[2:29:43] potentially a requirement that city employees provide proof of vaccination or get

[2:29:52] COVID tests.

[2:29:52] I think those two things are the main things I hear from the council.

[2:29:55] We certainly can add those to the agenda by a-

[2:30:04] So, would that be one motion and vote or would that be item by item?

[2:30:09] You can do both of them at once if the maker of the motion would like or if the maker of the motion wants to just do one.

[2:30:15] Somebody else in the number, that's at you.

[2:30:18] All right. Mayor Perkamp, good to hear us.

[2:30:21] Thank you, Mr. Mayor. One thing that would not talk about is the population in our city is relatively young.

[2:30:29] There's a lot of families in those families have a lot of kids that are under 12 years old

[2:30:35] that they cannot be vaccinated.

[2:30:38] When those families want to go out to restaurants or shopping or anything,

[2:30:44] they are not eligible to be vaccinated.

[2:30:47] So we also have to think about those families,

[2:30:50] how do we treat them? What's going to happen with them?

[2:30:53] As we make any decision tonight.

[2:30:55] Thank you.

[2:30:56] Yeah, I think you're correct.

[2:30:59] We would have to make sure we have an exception.

[2:31:01] We couldn't require somebody to be vaccinated

[2:31:02] that can't legally be vaccinated.

[2:31:04] So good point.

[2:31:07] All right.

[2:31:08] So if there's nothing else, let's at least start with what I hope

[2:31:11] is the easier one and the one that's on the agenda tonight.

[2:31:17] And that is ratification, or that's specifically

[2:31:20] on the agenda tonight, which is ratification of the emergency

[2:31:25] order number four, the order requiring face coverings and public indoor settings

[2:31:29] owned or controlled by the city of Cathedral City.

[2:31:34] So I would ask if do we have, are we doing still doing voice

[2:31:37] votes?

[2:31:39] On this one, we can go ahead and attempt to see if the system is working.

[2:31:44] It should be working fine.

[2:31:47] The other items will address when we get there.

[2:31:50] All right, so if someone would like to make a motion,

[2:31:56] do either ratify or not ratify? Tell us which one your your motion is.

[2:32:11] All right, we have motion by Ernesto, Mayor for Tim Ernesto Gutierrez and second of

[2:32:16] I council member Mark Carnivali to ratify emergency order number four. Please vote.

[2:32:26] Are you not having trouble considering our office stop working?

[2:32:33] Yes. Thank you.

[2:32:36] and the motion carries with all eyes?

[2:32:38] All right, I would like to propose that we consider additional

[2:32:44] motions.

[2:32:46] I guess we can take these one at a time, I don't want anybody

[2:32:48] to feel like so.

[2:32:50] So I would like to at least consider an item requiring

[2:32:53] a mask mandate in Cathedral City in all public spaces,

[2:33:02] similar to the one that we had in place before,

[2:33:05] or with the appropriate exceptions,

[2:33:10] and I don't know if I need to really go through those

[2:33:13] because we had those in place before.

[2:33:17] Like things like when you're actually eating or if you are under certain age, have a medical

[2:33:25] excuse.

[2:33:26] Yeah, I think if we just went back, I was going to say, yeah, if you don't have to read through

[2:33:33] if you're of a mind to follow the format that Pawn Springs did, they have a comprehensive

[2:33:38] ordinance. The only thing I would recommend is for order. The only thing I would recommend

[2:33:43] is that we articulate the health reasons why we're doing that. They didn't do that in the

[2:33:48] recitals. There should be enough data to do that at this point that helps the enforceability

[2:33:52] of the ordinance and otherwise unless there's something you want to change in the Pawn Springs

[2:33:57] version. It's fairly comprehensive. So, as this version you're looking at, has that include

[2:34:02] the exceptions for, like, salon services and those types of things that Palm Springs

[2:34:06] Dem leader modified?

[2:34:10] Let me just go through.

[2:34:11] Let me just go through what it covers. Effective immediately, all persons regardless of

[2:34:18] vaccination status must wear face coverings indoors when out of public place, including

[2:34:22] that not limited to, then it lists all the various types of businesses. Face coverings

[2:34:28] are not required to be warned by people who are at home in the car alone, or with members of

[2:34:34] their own household, seated at a table or bar at a restaurant. However, if an employee approaches

[2:34:41] the table bar, each person at that table must put their face covering on while the employees

[2:34:46] present. Children under the age of two due to the risk of suffocation, outdoors, people for whom

[2:34:52] seeing the mouth is essential for communication. People for whom wearing a mask would create a risk

[2:34:58] as they work as specifically determined by local state or federal regulations and those with a

[2:35:04] health condition whose medical provider has advised against wearing a face covering and can provide

[2:35:10] documentation. And then it goes on to say that they have to wear at least wear a face shield.

[2:35:16] And then it talks as hours did before about that businesses must

[2:35:21] request, require their employees, and post-assign and take reasonable steps to keep people

[2:35:28] who are not wearing a fit.

[2:35:29] All of that language is almost exactly what our emergency order was previous.

[2:35:36] So those are the exceptions that they have in theirs, and actually those are very, very

[2:35:40] similar to the exceptions that we already had in emergency order 3D, which I think was the

[2:35:44] most recent one prior to when it was repealed.

[2:35:47] As my understanding, as bomb springs has already modified this order to exempt the wearing

[2:35:53] of a mask when somebody receiving salon, services, facial haircuts, those types of things,

[2:36:00] but they don't have to wear a mask while they're actually obtaining the service.

[2:36:08] And Mr. City Manager, if you'd clarify, you said something about outdoor, but I didn't

[2:36:13] understand that in the context of this.

[2:36:14] That was one of the exceptions.

[2:36:16] They're not required to be worn outdoors.

[2:36:17] So, what if we had an event at the amphitheater with 2,500 people sitting side by side?

[2:36:24] Well, I think that might be something that you would want to address our previous order

[2:36:30] exempted the wearing of mass outdoors and less they were in a circumstance where they were unable to distance themselves from others.

[2:36:37] I like that for a big.

[2:36:38] Well, there was another part of the Palm Springs on the last P number two that says,

[2:36:46] or public gatherings.

[2:36:48] You're right.

[2:36:49] I'm sorry.

[2:36:49] I missed that.

[2:36:51] A parade or other large gathering has determined by the city manager, director of emergency services.

[2:36:56] If we included something like that.

[2:37:01] So we need to, I make a motion that we at least consider such an order requiring face masks.

[2:37:10] Do I have a second?

[2:37:12] Second?

[2:37:13] Second by councilmember Lam.

[2:37:15] This is just a consider.

[2:37:16] This isn't a question.

[2:37:17] I don't understand this consider.

[2:37:18] Because we have to add it to the agenda.

[2:37:19] that's what I was talking about. All right. So we will go and affect tonight this. It's just adding

[2:37:23] it to the agenda. All right. Please talk about it. Yeah, the first even. Okay. First in the second,

[2:37:28] roll call vote. Council member Ross. Yes. Council member Lam. Yes. Council member Carnivali.

[2:37:37] Hi.

[2:37:38] Mayor Protem Gutierrez. Yes. Mayor Gregory. Yes. So now that we've done that procedural item,

[2:37:46] we can actually talk about if everyone's comfortable with that type of order or would like to move

[2:37:51] So anyone wish to speak, let me know, or click your speaker button.

[2:38:00] Everyone, Mr. Mayor, I would, it's hard to hear you with that mask on.

[2:38:05] I apologize.

[2:38:06] I'm definitely wondering if you can hear out the other.

[2:38:09] What was that request you just made?

[2:38:11] So now we have the item on our agenda.

[2:38:13] It's in front of us for consideration.

[2:38:15] So I didn't know if you had any comments.

[2:38:17] Questions or anything like that?

[2:38:19] They will move to public comments.

[2:38:21] public we just added them to agenda consider a mask mandate throughout the city as we've

[2:38:25] just discussed if you would like to make a comment on that this would be your chance to do so

[2:38:30] if you use the raised hand feature if you joined us on zoom or dial star 9 if you are

[2:38:38] here in the room which looks like we have the press with us but if you want to speak you could

[2:38:42] fill out a speaker card or indicate to the clerk. City clerk.

[2:38:46] We have a couple of hands raised.

[2:38:49] The first speaker is Alan Kavalo.

[2:38:55] All right.

[2:38:55] Welcome Mr. Kavalo.

[2:38:56] I hope you understand.

[2:38:57] We've added an item.

[2:39:00] Okay.

[2:39:00] Thank you.

[2:39:01] You have three minutes.

[2:39:02] You're giving us an opportunity to voice our opinion.

[2:39:06] I'm in favor of his extreme cases we can go.

[2:39:09] And I think it's important for those of you on council that are concerned about businesses.

[2:39:14] Dead people don't eat and they don't purchase goods.

[2:39:18] So, if people are dead because you're concerned about businesses, they don't actually, they're no longer allowed to

[2:39:25] to actually shop in your stores and eat at your restaurants.

[2:39:28] So, this is serious.

[2:39:30] You know, this is a very serious issue right now.

[2:39:32] It is spreading worse than it did the first time.

[2:39:35] So, you've got to take this very seriously.

[2:39:38] We're pounding on you.

[2:39:39] Our health, our public health is reliant upon you.

[2:39:42] When you make mentions about businesses, it sounds like that's more important to you than our public health.

[2:39:47] So thank you very much. I appreciate being able to talk.

[2:39:52] All right. Thank you.

[2:39:54] Next speaker.

[2:39:55] Next speaker is Denise Cross.

[2:40:00] Welcome to Denise Cross.

[2:40:02] Excuse me.

[2:40:03] I keep going. Thank you very much.

[2:40:06] And I absolutely.

[2:40:10] Thank you.

[2:40:11] All right. Thank you.

[2:40:13] Next speaker.

[2:40:15] There are no other hands raised at this time.

[2:40:18] All right.

[2:40:19] So now Council the item in front of us is to order a mass mandate, similar to the one that

[2:40:30] Palm Springs, it's in your packet that Palm Springs has already put in place, similar to the

[2:40:37] one we had before with exceptions.

[2:40:40] And I would ask the exceptions for that we look at Palm Springs as exceptions for exceptions

[2:40:45] that they've added for salon services or other services where you may need to access your

[2:40:50] that the mass not required while they're actually performing the service for the person getting the service, not the not the employee.

[2:40:59] So any discussion on that or any motion?

[2:41:02] Yes, Mr. Mayor, for how long are we talking about?

[2:41:10] Do we have a proposal, Mr. City Manager?

[2:41:16] Our City Attorney?

[2:41:17] We've allowed them based on the circumstances.

[2:41:23] You obviously can put a 30, 60, 45, whatever kind of time limit you want on it, but in the past,

[2:41:33] giving how fluid circumstances were we allowed them to be open and you could reconsider them

[2:41:39] at each one of your meetings.

[2:41:42] All right, so the proposal would be, until we send it, but we would have an item on every agenda

[2:41:47] to discuss and possibly take action.

[2:41:49] It differs from what the city manager has recommended with employees, but we're going to

[2:41:58] actually revise his decision.

[2:42:05] So, can you point out which way is it?

[2:42:07] It's different than the employees.

[2:42:08] Well, he has it to resend a beliefs of timber or something.

[2:42:13] I did emergency order in order for it.

[2:42:15] It says September 30th and less extended, but it also has a note in there that the

[2:42:21] you know, that's the city can rescind it at any time, so.

[2:42:27] Okay, so September 30th.

[2:42:29] So do we adjust?

[2:42:31] Well, there are two different orders.

[2:42:34] One is for all the businesses and then one is for the city hall.

[2:42:37] Oh, theoretically we could rest in the one and keep the other one for a little period of time,

[2:42:43] but I honestly want to tie them together.

[2:42:46] But this order is flexible.

[2:42:49] The one we just approved ratified is flexible.

[2:42:51] And Mayor and Council, if you decided you wanted to keep this order that you're considering

[2:42:56] open-ended, all you have to do is give us direction to say, hey, the order we ratified,

[2:43:02] we wanted open-ended to, so we can make that adjustment or put time on its unfold plan.

[2:43:09] Mayor, I do have a piece of information I want to provide to Council about these new orders.

[2:43:15] This is a little different than the last circumstance.

[2:43:17] But I don't think it changes your decision tonight, but I want you to keep in mind that when we last put these in place, we had State Health Department orders backed up by the Governor's Executive Order and County Health Official orders.

[2:43:35] We don't have those in place right now with regard to the masking order that we're contemplating.

[2:43:42] That's one of the reasons I think we should articulate in Charlie and I will work on this.

[2:43:47] You don't need to worry about this tonight.

[2:43:49] The health reasons for doing this.

[2:43:51] We will be able to enforce the ordinance by administrative citation.

[2:43:58] If we get into a condition where we're contemplating seeking an injunction level of enforcement,

[2:44:05] then we'll have a close session on that to discuss that.

[2:44:08] Okay, I just wanted to point that out to you.

[2:44:10] So, Mr. City Attorney, can you give some language then on how you'd have this motion to reinstate a statewide mask mandate?

[2:44:18] I've heard similar to Palm Springs, I've heard we lay out our own, you want us to include?

[2:44:25] From what I believe is the consensus that I've heard is that you would make a motion for the city to adopt an ordinance in

[2:44:38] All similar respects to that of the Palm Springs ordinances in our packet with a few exceptions.

[2:44:45] One, you would have us at a recital that articulates the health reasons for this ordinance.

[2:44:52] Two, you mean giving exceptions for health reasons?

[2:44:57] Yeah, we would know, we would, that's...

[2:45:00] That's in here already. If you can't wear a mask because you have a health reasons. That exception's in here. I'm suggesting we add some language upfront, articulating why this makes good health reasons. Why we have good documentation for valid health reasons to impose this.

[2:45:19] That makes sense?

[2:45:20] Yes, which is City Manager discussed and gave us a chart and all of that.

[2:45:24] And I would be similar to the the warehouses and emergency order number four that site the California Department of Public Health Guidance and the CDC guidance.

[2:45:36] Good.

[2:45:37] And there was an intended exception to the mass group having to do with barbershops, beauty salons and anything else.

[2:45:47] Any other type of service that required somebody to be unmasked.

[2:45:51] I don't know going to the dentist or something of that nature.

[2:45:54] And then I believe I heard an additional requirement or refinement for outdoor events.

[2:46:03] I don't know if the council wanted to impose a occupancy limitation that would make the

[2:46:09] mask requirement, or if it's just what I heard the city manager say is where you can't

[2:46:14] safely, social distance.

[2:46:16] I think number two.

[2:46:18] So those would be the attitudes to the Palm Springs ordinance unless Council has-

[2:46:24] Well, the Palm Springs ordinance does have a face coverings that large outdoor public gatherings.

[2:46:31] On the third page, number two.

[2:46:34] Sorry, I think our proposal was to essentially word it towards that.

[2:46:40] Of course, we're meeting a village fest, which is the Palm Springs event.

[2:46:43] Yes, unless you wanted to give some additional specificity to the large outdoor, but what we'll think this leads it up to the city.

[2:46:53] That's fine.

[2:46:54] We can go with that.

[2:46:56] But I thought there I heard some comments about wanting to put it in the garage.

[2:47:01] We really don't have any large advancing through the whole city.

[2:47:05] We'll be having this one which will be later this year and things might change and we can make the position then.

[2:47:12] Besides that, I don't see why we have to worry about it, because large events, what is

[2:47:17] going to be more than 50 more than 500? What is it? We don't have large events here.

[2:47:24] That's why I like the wording that didn't say large events, but in spaces where you cannot

[2:47:29] socially distance, as determined by. It might be a movie theater, you know, where if there

[2:47:35] were too many people in a small theater, you know, you couldn't socially distance.

[2:47:38] This will be outdoor spaces.

[2:47:40] I know that was a part of that, and the app driver, I don't know.

[2:47:44] But you know what I'm saying?

[2:47:45] So it's not the size of the app driver event.

[2:47:47] It's how far apart you can be with one another.

[2:47:49] I think we can talk about it if in the future, if necessary.

[2:47:54] I think with what has been talked about,

[2:47:56] I think it's efficient.

[2:48:02] What I worry about that is we don't know how long this is going to go.

[2:48:05] We don't know if somebody's going to plan an event tomorrow.

[2:48:08] And then we have to bring it back in front of us.

[2:48:10] And to me it seems reasonable to put something in there that would require masking it large

[2:48:16] outdoor events and leave it up to the city manager to determine what that is.

[2:48:21] Well, what I would recommend is what our previous orders said that masks are not required

[2:48:27] outdoors unless you're in a situation where you're unable to socially distance from others.

[2:48:36] And to me that makes more sense than specifying a size of a crowd because a small outdoor

[2:48:40] area where there's only 10 people, maybe just as dangerous as a larger area where there's

[2:48:47] 100 people.

[2:48:48] That's right.

[2:48:49] And we had that golden lion's award at the end of the academic year for the Kethi Pocity

[2:48:57] High School and people were six feet apart, but they were all wearing masks.

[2:49:02] So whatever happened there, that was interpreted to be the protocols that were to keep

[2:49:06] everybody safe.

[2:49:07] So that was inactive then.

[2:49:10] All right, so is there a buddy clear on the motion?

[2:49:13] Anybody want something?

[2:49:14] Anybody want to make motion?

[2:49:15] Because I will.

[2:49:16] All right, I move.

[2:49:17] I move what the city attorney just outlined.

[2:49:21] Good.

[2:49:21] That's a safe one.

[2:49:24] And if you don't know what it is, he'll read it back to you again.

[2:49:27] But if you feel comfortable, I'll entertain a second if there is one.

[2:49:31] Second by councilmember Lam, in the other discussion,

[2:49:35] They're about to understand what we're voting on.

[2:49:38] So just because I don't understand.

[2:49:40] Is this covering also employees of the city

[2:49:43] and whether or not they need to be vaccinated?

[2:49:46] That's the next one.

[2:49:47] Okay, if we want to add that to the agenda,

[2:49:49] this item will be to the agenda has to do with it.

[2:49:51] Just the mask movement.

[2:49:52] The mask mandate.

[2:49:53] Okay, perfect.

[2:49:54] All right.

[2:49:55] Roll call vote.

[2:49:56] Council member Ross.

[2:49:58] Yes.

[2:49:58] Council member Lam.

[2:49:59] Yes.

[2:50:00] Council member Carnivali.

[2:50:01] All right.

[2:50:01] Mayor Potem Gutierrez.

[2:50:03] Yes.

[2:50:03] Mayor Gregory.

[2:50:04] Yes. All right. I would also like to entertain if the council wishes that we discuss

[2:50:14] requiring either proof of vaccination or a test.

[2:50:20] And we can discuss how recent that test needs to be at bars and restaurants and large events.

[2:50:29] So I'll make a motion that we add that discussion to the agenda.

[2:50:33] I'll second.

[2:50:34] Second, by Councilmember Carnivali.

[2:50:36] Any discussion about just adding it to the agenda?

[2:50:40] Roll, call vote.

[2:50:42] Councilmember Ross?

[2:50:43] Yes.

[2:50:43] Councilmember Lam?

[2:50:44] Yes.

[2:50:45] Councilmember Carnivali?

[2:50:46] Mayor Potem Gutierrez?

[2:50:48] Yes.

[2:50:48] Mayor Greg Green.

[2:50:49] Yes.

[2:50:50] All right.

[2:50:50] So we've had an item to the agenda to potentially require a proof of vaccination

[2:50:56] or a COVID-19 COVID test for people to

[2:51:01] to visit our bars and restaurants or any large events.

[2:51:08] Comments.

[2:51:09] Or should we go to public comments first?

[2:51:14] All right, we'll take public comments.

[2:51:16] All right, members of the public, hopefully understand what we've just added, but we're now

[2:51:19] discussing if you have joined us at our Zoom meeting in a U.S. to make a comment on this.

[2:51:24] If you would please use the raise hand feature on your device or dial star 9 if you joined

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[2:51:29] If you're here in the room and you would like to make comment,

[2:51:32] hopefully you can fill out a comment card, or at least wave to the city clerk so she knows you wish to make comment.

[2:51:39] City clerk.

[2:51:40] We have one hand raised and this is Danny Lee.

[2:51:44] All right.

[2:51:48] Thank you.

[2:51:49] Yeah.

[2:51:51] On the issue of vaccination, I think it's an important issue to remember here.

[2:51:58] It's prompted by a comment I heard earlier.

[2:52:01] really, if a cancer patient decides to discontinue treatment, they will die, but that's their

[2:52:10] decision and it only affects them. If someone infected with COVID walks into a restaurant

[2:52:17] and breathes on other people, he would potentially kill them. This is the big difference between

[2:52:24] the civic responsibility for vaccination and everybody, and the choice of power over our own

[2:52:34] personal medical decisions. These are not equivalent, and unfortunately the press continues

[2:52:41] to confuse those two issues. We all need to get the vaccination, or we have proof that

[2:52:48] got the vaccination because it's protecting other people, and that is the same reason that

[2:52:55] we had for putting typhoid Mary in a locked cell for the rest of our life because she refused

[2:53:02] to stop interacting with others and passing on the disease. So I am well for requiring proof

[2:53:10] of vaccination in bars and restaurants. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker.

[2:53:18] I want to follow what would like to speak.

[2:53:22] Welcome, Mr. Governor.

[2:53:23] Yeah, and I thank you very much for moving this forward.

[2:53:26] I agree with the previous caller.

[2:53:28] It's super important.

[2:53:29] If we actually do the right thing, this could be over a lot sooner.

[2:53:33] And businesses would open just the way they normally do.

[2:53:36] We just have to take this one step at a time and do the right thing.

[2:53:40] Public safety over businesses.

[2:53:42] Always, always people are more important than anything else.

[2:53:45] Thank you very much.

[2:53:48] Thank you.

[2:53:48] your comment next speaker and I need this comment. Okay, the next speaker is Denise Cross.

[2:54:02] Thank you. I love a type like Mary Brefford. That was perfect. Actually, I believe we're all

[2:54:10] spreaders. We're vaccinated. We don't get as sick. We can still spread. And so the whole point is just

[2:54:19] keep going. Push the vaccination. That's what we need to get to for those who can receive

[2:54:25] And we protect the people that don't have that protection, which is birth to 11 or anybody who chooses that.

[2:54:38] That's who we're going this far.

[2:54:40] I believe today, Governor Nism has mandated that all teachers be vaccinated and all staff in all schools by October 30.

[2:54:56] that I misunderstand what he said.

[2:55:01] It's true.

[2:55:01] Councilwoman Lam, you might know better than I.

[2:55:04] But I saw that on actually one of the cable

[2:55:07] administrations, which is a great step.

[2:55:10] And this state is, we were the first state to shut down.

[2:55:14] And I'm very proud of some of the things

[2:55:18] that the state of California has done.

[2:55:21] It doesn't seem to do us good in certain counties

[2:55:23] because out here we're an international resort and we just have so many incoming

[2:55:30] that we need to protect our area and there's no doubt about that. So I just

[2:55:36] cheer you on on everything. As extreme as you want to go and do what you do. I

[2:55:43] appreciate it. Thank you. Next speaker. The next speaker is Bob Oda.

[2:55:55] Hi. I support this

[2:55:57] particular proposal also, the bars and restaurants on arenas in Palm Springs decided to

[2:56:06] do this on their own, before the city council even acted, and the initial response from

[2:56:12] her community that frequent those businesses was, yes, will now feel more confident in,

[2:56:20] knowing that we don't have unvaccinated visitors from outside, coming in and spreading the virus.

[2:56:28] Yes, being vaccinated, we still can get a breakthrough case.

[2:56:32] But the more you're vaccinated people, the less risk you have,

[2:56:37] and it just reassures that we're going to try to put a stop to the virus spreading.

[2:56:43] So I agree with this.

[2:56:45] Thank you.

[2:56:46] Thank you.

[2:56:47] Any additional speakers?

[2:56:50] I see no other hands raised at this time and the

[2:56:54] hands raised within the council chamber.

[2:56:57] All right.

[2:56:57] We'll turn the matter back to council.

[2:56:59] Council member Ross.

[2:57:00] I just wondered how council felt about a time frame to implement

[2:57:06] if we proceed with this.

[2:57:09] One week, two weeks, three weeks.

[2:57:11] So I can do it.

[2:57:12] Do you have a suggestion?

[2:57:16] I think two is enough, but if three feels better, I think it's September 30th, not three weeks.

[2:57:28] So is your proposal that you'd like to consider three weeks?

[2:57:32] No more than.

[2:57:34] All right.

[2:57:35] Any other speakers?

[2:57:37] Anyone else want to speak?

[2:57:38] I have a pro-Tem Gutierrez.

[2:57:40] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[2:57:42] Definitely, this pandemic COVID-19 is definitely a bad, you can say, disease or pandemic.

[2:57:53] But so, so is the common cold.

[2:57:56] We know that's a lot of these debts that have been added or contributed to COVID are not

[2:58:03] true.

[2:58:03] They're false.

[2:58:04] They're false.

[2:58:07] 450,000 or more than half a million people that have died.

[2:58:09] Some people did some person died that was killed from a shark attack, and he was listed as COVID.

[2:58:17] My secretary's relative died of a heart attack here in Riverside County.

[2:58:24] He was registered that he died of COVID.

[2:58:26] There's been numerous amounts of people that have been misrepresented as to their death.

[2:58:32] it is not true, it is not as deadly as the media says it is.

[2:58:40] The amount of people that died with polio or any other disease, I agree with.

[2:58:45] This is a bad thing, a lot of people have died, I wish they didn't, but a very, very small

[2:58:52] percentage of the people do die, just like they do with a common cold.

[2:58:58] I do not agree with mandating people to get vaccinated.

[2:59:04] It's up to them to get vaccinated, which should not mandate them.

[2:59:08] I got vaccinated, no one told me to do it. I did it on my own.

[2:59:12] So, therefore, I do not want to force people to do it.

[2:59:16] Now, as far as I talked about it just recently,

[2:59:22] A test is as good as the minute you took that test that you're not contagious.

[2:59:31] A minute or two later, you walk out of there, that test is no longer good.

[2:59:36] So what does it do to actually do those two things?

[2:59:41] Now, the case on the 12, I'm not eligible to give vaccinated.

[2:59:47] Are they not going to be allowed to attend a restaurant?

[2:59:52] I don't see how this is going to work.

[2:59:54] Now, I do not want to step over our boundaries and take people.

[3:00:00] Members, right from being out and about, and their liberties away. This is not right. I don't think we should

[3:00:08] be talking about this issue. I agree with a mask. I think we can do that. But I don't think we should

[3:00:14] be over stepping up boundaries. And I think that forcing people to show a proof of vaccine,

[3:00:21] which I can come up with a fake one and show it to people, or I can come up with a fake, also

[3:00:28] with a fake test that I'm negative.

[3:00:31] Now, who's going to police this as well?

[3:00:34] I just don't agree with this.

[3:00:36] I think the media is over exaggerating on this.

[3:00:40] And I think the mass mandates are good enough.

[3:00:44] And that's all I have to say to Mr. Mayor.

[3:00:47] Thank you.

[3:00:48] Thank you.

[3:00:50] Other comments?

[3:00:51] Well, the question is raised.

[3:00:54] If we did do this, what would we propose

[3:00:56] would be the length of time that a negative test is good for us for someone who is unvaccinated.

[3:01:05] Do we have any feedback on what the city of Palm Springs suggested?

[3:01:11] Mayor, I don't know specifically about Palm Springs, but I've read a number of the reports

[3:01:16] of cities and the state who put this in in the most common one that I see as a negative

[3:01:21] test within 72 hours.

[3:01:26] Yes, I've seen that too.

[3:01:28] Council member Ross.

[3:01:30] I have great respect for my fellow council member Gutierrez,

[3:01:35] but there are two things he has said that I take exception with.

[3:01:38] One is that you are not a spreader, the minute you catch COVID.

[3:01:42] You are not a spreader for approximately three to four days,

[3:01:45] based on the CDC.

[3:01:46] I just looked at it while we were talking.

[3:01:50] And secondly, I think I have personally never known anybody who died

[3:01:57] I've never known anybody, but I know people who have died of COVID and I read about people every day who have died of COVID.

[3:02:03] If people were dying by the thousands of the common cold, it would be in the newspaper.

[3:02:08] We would hear about it because that would be a pandemic.

[3:02:11] The cold would then be a pandemic.

[3:02:13] And I have to take exception with that because my personal experience is not, is that it's not born.

[3:02:20] All

[3:02:22] right, so yeah, I'm also kind of surprised

[3:02:27] at some of the comments Mayor Pro Tem,

[3:02:30] not trying to direct anything, but we have been talking

[3:02:33] about how serious COVID is and how important it is

[3:02:38] for the safety of the community, yet there is definitely

[3:02:42] a change of tone and your arguments here,

[3:02:45] because now all of a sudden it's not that deadly

[3:02:50] And it's been over exaggerated according to you.

[3:02:54] And I don't understand where that logic comes from.

[3:03:00] If that's the way that you honestly feel,

[3:03:02] I don't understand some of the previous discussion,

[3:03:06] because it is, in my opinion, and I think it's clearly

[3:03:12] going out in the science that it certainly

[3:03:14] is a pandemic that, of deadly proportions, much more serious than some of the other things

[3:03:23] you mentioned, and I don't know where the misreporting, I'm sure there are probably times

[3:03:30] where there's a comorbidity, we're COVID, and something else killed somebody, but I don't

[3:03:34] really know what that has to do with the discussion.

[3:03:37] Also, we're going right here to the point of saying, well, I don't think we should require

[3:03:42] people to be vaccinated, but the item we're discussing would be whether we have a requirement

[3:03:48] that people that go into bars and restaurants or participate in large events, whether they

[3:03:58] have to show proof of vaccination or a negative test within a reasonable period of time, which

[3:04:06] has been suggested to be 72 hours, but that's not requiring people to be vaccinated.

[3:04:13] That's giving them alternatives to ensure the safety of others.

[3:04:19] So I think that this is a surprising argument.

[3:04:24] And if that's not a proof of vaccination for food to go or carry out, great, that only the

[3:04:29] in-house?

[3:04:32] I think it's to, it's to, well, it would be how you word it, but you, it would depend on how you

[3:04:41] word it, I guess, but, I mean, the intent is that you're not signing inside because you'd

[3:04:46] be taking the mass right. So I think maybe you could, that would be, for in-house dining, that

[3:04:50] so nation proof. So if they came in and just, or keeping the mass gone and just picking

[3:04:55] up a bag, right. Yeah, many restaurants don't require them to come in, they can call

[3:05:00] and go out, they don't think we're gonna do that.

[3:05:02] Okay, you know, we could craft an exception for that.

[3:05:05] And I don't have my little-

[3:05:06] So now I'll remember land.

[3:05:08] I just wanna, I've done to say that, you know,

[3:05:10] the McAllem Theater and CV Repertory,

[3:05:12] they're having proof of vaccination requirements for people

[3:05:16] because that has a lot of people

[3:05:19] that are attracted to life theater

[3:05:21] and they wanna be safe.

[3:05:23] So they want that community protected

[3:05:26] and that's their business model.

[3:05:28] And I think a business model where the communities protected is a great one, so thank you.

[3:05:35] Thank you.

[3:05:36] I can't mute it.

[3:05:39] All right.

[3:05:40] So we have this item in front of us, but we don't have since it's an item added.

[3:05:43] I don't have any proposed language.

[3:05:48] So.

[3:05:50] I think Mayor, we can we can develop language around whatever points that you all want to put in it.

[3:05:58] And then, you know, we can, especially if you have a effective date three weeks out or something like that,

[3:06:05] you'll have another meeting before then so that we could actually put the language on there and make sure that that is consistent with what you've suggested if that's the way you decide to go.

[3:06:19] And Mary, do you think we should give some thought to whether it's just bars and restaurants?

[3:06:23] I mean, what we're trying to get at is low cows, where people are going to be in close conduct,

[3:06:32] and might have a higher risk of not socially distancing and either transmitted or receive it.

[3:06:40] I don't know if that's Jim's spa's, at one point in time, that there was a whole...

[3:06:48] running it up, but our previous order would cover all those areas.

[3:06:51] The difference here is you take off your mask to drink and eat.

[3:06:55] I think that's the difference here.

[3:06:59] That's good, rational.

[3:07:06] I don't have a legal answer to that, I just wanted to make it.

[3:07:10] I understand what you're saying.

[3:07:12] But those areas from our previous order have to wear a mask all the time anyways.

[3:07:18] So, the reason we're now looking at proof of vaccination, I think, for bars and restaurants,

[3:07:25] at least that's what I'm taking from the discussion is because you have to remove your mask.

[3:07:30] They don't follow the mask on me.

[3:07:32] Well, they're eating, right? There are some requirements.

[3:07:35] All right, so I would propose, I guess I would make a motion, that we direct the city manager

[3:07:42] to prepare an order requiring persons, eating or drinking inside of bars and restaurants.

[3:07:56] Show proof of vaccination are a negative COVID test within 72 hours with exceptions for

[3:08:04] children under 12 medical exceptions and other generally recognized exceptions and

[3:08:14] it would

[3:08:14] not cover people entering the facility for the purpose of retrieving an order to go order that

[3:08:27] doesn't remove their mask in doing so.

[3:08:31] Not dining in premises.

[3:08:35] And that this go in the effects three weeks and three weeks, although businesses may implement

[3:08:44] So that's

[3:08:49] my motion.

[3:08:50] Is that adequate?

[3:08:51] Mr. City Attorney, do you believe?

[3:08:54] Yes.

[3:08:56] My initial thought is you're going to want anyone who enters the premises.

[3:09:02] Other than pick up pickup food.

[3:09:04] Yes.

[3:09:05] Anyone, including employees.

[3:09:10] Well, they're people entering the bar restaurant.

[3:09:15] So what now?

[3:09:18] Yeah, your phrasing was anybody entering the premises to eat or drink.

[3:09:26] You're correct.

[3:09:26] So I should be anyone entering with the one exception of people, including employees,

[3:09:32] with the one exception of people entering to pick up some type of a code to go item and

[3:09:37] doesn't otherwise remove their mask.

[3:09:38] The practical problem with that is if you go to a bar or a restaurant, especially a bar,

[3:09:43] all you have to say to get in the door as I'm just here to dance or listen to music.

[3:09:48] I'm not going to either drink.

[3:09:50] Just here, Mike.

[3:09:51] Right.

[3:09:51] So I think you're correct.

[3:09:52] The language should be entering, but with the exception.

[3:09:55] But they could still go in and then take off the masculinity and drink.

[3:10:01] So the way I would phrase that is anyone who's going to enter the premises,

[3:10:06] has to either show proof of vaccination or the test.

[3:10:12] All right.

[3:10:12] Does that give you any heartache?

[3:10:13] Council member Carnivali?

[3:10:15] That might require a restaurant to make some other provision for people that are not vaccinated.

[3:10:19] I don't want to show proof, but need to pick up, they might have to meet them at the door.

[3:10:25] The only thing I can think of is, it's delivery.

[3:10:28] If that's a problem with delivery.

[3:10:30] Well, you would hope it's delivery.

[3:10:32] It's going to be back soon.

[3:10:33] I don't know.

[3:10:34] I don't know.

[3:10:35] I'm not just throwing that up.

[3:10:36] I don't know if that's a problem with delivery or not.

[3:10:41] So let me restate.

[3:10:42] All right.

[3:10:43] So my motion is to require anyone entering a bar or a strut.

[3:10:53] They show proof of vaccination or a negative coat of tests within 72 hours,

[3:11:00] with exceptions for children under 12 medical exceptions and other generally recognized exceptions.

[3:11:07] And if this go into effect in three weeks, although businesses have the option of...

[3:11:12] That's what they want to dine in. You just said enter.

[3:11:16] The city attorney said we should make it anyone entering.

[3:11:22] because otherwise they'll enter and then they may.

[3:11:26] So that would cover employees, I think, is why they said that.

[3:11:34] Correct.

[3:11:35] But it comes to you.

[3:11:37] That's why I said it makes you clear.

[3:11:38] Businesses to modify if they allow people to come up to the

[3:11:42] different things to pick up their food.

[3:11:43] They may have to meet them at the door.

[3:11:46] Just come to the door and then say, hey, we've got to pick up item here

[3:11:50] and somebody has to go and do the transaction there.

[3:11:52] the door.

[3:11:57] So that's the motion. There you have a second.

[3:12:06] Second by council member

[3:12:07] Lam, further discussion or clarification. Is everyone clear on what the motion is?

[3:12:14] Roll call vote. Council member Ross. Yes. Council member Lam. Yes. Council member

[3:12:19] Carnivali. Mayor Protem Gutierrez. No. Mayor Gregory. Yes.

[3:12:30] All right. So

[3:12:30] So let me back up a little bit.

[3:12:33] There was discussion about the city hall closing and having meetings online.

[3:12:38] That didn't require a council vote last time.

[3:12:41] No, I just implemented that last time.

[3:12:44] I just wanted you to be aware of that.

[3:12:46] What I intend to do.

[3:12:47] Yeah.

[3:12:47] Good, and I'll cross that one off.

[3:12:49] So the last one, if we decide we want to approach it tonight,

[3:12:52] or at least if we want to approach it in the future,

[3:12:54] There is requiring proof of negative vaccination or a negative COVID test within 72 hours of city employees.

[3:13:04] With kind of mood if the city has to be closed for a while.

[3:13:08] We have many personnel that go to work out at that community.

[3:13:17] So are you going to have employees test every 72 hours?

[3:13:21] Is that what it is?

[3:13:22] They have to provide a negative test that was done within 72 hours on their report to work.

[3:13:26] The other organizations that have done this have required a weekly proof of tests.

[3:13:35] That's really, that could be it.

[3:13:36] Do we want to discuss that item tonight?

[3:13:39] We need the motion to put that on the agenda if we want to.

[3:13:44] Discuss that tonight.

[3:13:52] All right. Well, I'm willing to move it.

[3:13:53] So I move that we discuss tonight whether we want to require proof of vaccination or a negative test.

[3:14:01] test, test within a week for all city employees to work.

[3:14:14] That's being added to the agenda.

[3:14:18] I can't understand what I'm saying.

[3:14:22] Second, by Councilmember Carnivali, and he's a discussion.

[3:14:28] Roll call vote.

[3:14:30] Councilmember Ross.

[3:14:31] Yes.

[3:14:31] Councilmember Lam.

[3:14:33] Councilmember Carnivali.

[3:14:40] Mayor Protem Gutierrez.

[3:14:42] Mayor Gregory.

[3:14:43] Yes.

[3:14:44] All right.

[3:14:44] So we have an item before us to require city employees to show proof of vaccination or

[3:14:52] a negative COVID test within a week in order to work.

[3:14:58] Do we have any public comment on this?

[3:15:00] If you're joined us by Zoom and you wish to make comment on this item, please use the raise hand feature on your device, or you join us by telephone, please dial star 9. If you join us in the, as a member of the public and you wish, or in person and you wish to comment, please fill out a, we hope you have filled out a speaker card or indicated your desire to speak to the clerk. City clerk.

[3:15:23] Denise Cross would like to speak, Mayor.

[3:15:26] Denise Cross.

[3:15:30] Thank you for being so brave.

[3:15:32] I appreciate that.

[3:15:34] The reasons restaurants have done this as far as employees and nobody who works there who

[3:15:40] is vaccinated is because they don't have staff.

[3:15:44] If somebody gets sick, everybody's exposed and they have to test.

[3:15:48] And then the person that is sick has to quarantine for two weeks.

[3:15:53] The Pentagon, all military, is mandatory vaccination now.

[3:15:58] Our hospitals will run out of staff.

[3:16:02] There won't be enough substitute teachers to replace quarantined sick teachers.

[3:16:09] It's just, you know, it's going to keep generating.

[3:16:13] And I just think we need to face the facts and do everything we can do.

[3:16:18] I'm sorry that it's so difficult.

[3:16:20] life is difficult for me. That's for sure. And it's difficult for all of us. It's really bad times.

[3:16:28] I really appreciate your greatness and doing this and I personally, I think it's extremely

[3:16:35] necessary right now. Kids are in school. Season's going to start. It just needs to be done.

[3:16:45] And I thank you very much for trying to keep people well and safe and, you know, none of us getting sick.

[3:16:53] And those are vaccinated, not getting as sick.

[3:16:58] And hope the best for everything.

[3:17:01] And I really appreciate your bravery in going forward with this.

[3:17:05] And I'm sorry to get further difficulty for all of us.

[3:17:10] All right, thank you for your comments.

[3:17:12] Next speaker.

[3:17:12] All in Kavala would like to speak, Mayor.

[3:17:19] I want to echo what I would like to echo what Denise Cross said.

[3:17:22] It does take bravery, especially for the two businessmen on the council to move this

[3:17:28] forward.

[3:17:29] It really shows true character to do the right thing.

[3:17:36] And in the long run, you know that we'll remember that you made the right decision.

[3:17:40] Also Councilmember Lam, thank you for speaking so articulately about your passion and also Councilmember Ross.

[3:17:49] But I do want to thank everybody for stepping up and making us proud about the city taking people's health into priority.

[3:17:56] Thank you.

[3:17:58] Thank you.

[3:17:58] Next speaker.

[3:17:59] The next speaker is Danny Lee.

[3:18:03] Welcome Danny Lee.

[3:18:05] I could certainly echo the comments of the others on this and it's been hard all around and I know that you're doing what you can in a difficult situation.

[3:18:17] I am a little confused at this point. Only because earlier the city manager said that vaccination status for staff was taken on trust they made a declaration.

[3:18:29] But you've now just passed a measure that says that customers in restaurants and bars must prove vaccination.

[3:18:41] I think it's inconsistent and probably at this point, then you would require that staff actually prove their vaccination status for all they have a test.

[3:18:51] Thank you.

[3:18:53] Thank you.

[3:18:56] Any other speakers?

[3:18:57] I see no other hands raised mayor.

[3:19:00] All right.

[3:19:00] I'm going to return the matter back to council.

[3:19:06] Council.

[3:19:07] So

[3:19:09] the proposal is that we require.

[3:19:12] We haven't talked about when we would require this.

[3:19:18] But we require proof of vaccination or a negative COVID test within a week.

[3:19:22] Of city employees in order for them to work.

[3:19:24] Maybe if I might, there's a, this is a different animal than the other ones, because this involves employees who have collective bargaining rights, and it's fairly well established in the law that we will have to, we don't have to bargain the decision, but we will have to bargain the effects.

[3:19:44] And unless there's a court order or a state order or a county health order that requires

[3:19:54] this, we do it on our own authority, we have to bargain the effects before it goes into effect.

[3:19:59] Now, I will have to rely on Charlie as to how long that might take.

[3:20:03] But there are some questions that we could use your guidance from.

[3:20:06] And I don't know that you even have to adopt an order tonight,

[3:20:11] but you could give us direction along the lines of what you want to consider adopting

[3:20:15] internet, meeting to give some meeting, confer time.

[3:20:19] There will be the question of what is the standard approved?

[3:20:23] Do I have to show a vaccination card?

[3:20:26] Are you going to allow me to self-attest?

[3:20:29] How long of the testing it will be?

[3:20:33] And if I don't have a vaccine,

[3:20:36] I don't have one of the two exceptions.

[3:20:41] I have a recognized disability that keeps me from either masking or getting a vaccine.

[3:20:46] Or I have a sincere religious belief that prohibits or practice that stops me from having a vaccination.

[3:20:55] Do I still have to test?

[3:20:57] And if I refuse to test, does that mean I don't work at all or kind of work off-site?

[3:21:03] So there's a number of things which I think Charlie will need to sit down with the unions and work through, and I don't want to

[3:21:12] stun you your discussions, but I wanted to just put that out there for you and again.

[3:21:15] So if we want to move in that direction, we can give him direction tonight to explore that, but we don't have to come up with all those details.

[3:21:25] I don't think you need to work out all of those details.

[3:21:29] we probably have the large parameter, which as well, we'd like some proof of

[3:21:34] vaccination, or you've got a test. And then, Charlie and I and his staff and

[3:21:39] my staff can work with the unions to work with those details for you.

[3:21:44] And if I might add to that, that's exactly how Palm Springs approach this. I met

[3:21:48] with their city manager last week and they've passed the intent to do that, but

[3:21:53] all the details in terms of the things that Eric mentioned, because they require some working

[3:22:01] with the Employee Associations are deferred until they have a chance to do that.

[3:22:09] And in all practical terms, if a person wants to get that's not vaccinated, wants to

[3:22:14] get fully vaccinated, that's about a six week process by the time you figure shot one

[3:22:20] three week waiting period, shot two, et cetera, so.

[3:22:26] And, you know, so there are plays that, you know, they're working remotely.

[3:22:31] So, that's a consideration, but also, I was just talking to friends of mine who were

[3:22:37] public school employees in the San Fernando Valley.

[3:22:41] And, you know, their idea is that we want to get vaccinated

[3:22:47] because we are public employees, we're paid by the taxpayers, and we are not in a position

[3:22:54] to put their children in harm's way.

[3:22:57] So that was part of the discussion in terms of the different unions with the elected

[3:23:02] bargaining units.

[3:23:03] So anyway, it was very protracted, but this is a good start.

[3:23:11] For the discussion,

[3:23:16] all right, so we have an item that the proposed requiring vaccination

[3:23:20] or at least we could modify that to be our intent is at a future date to set a requirement

[3:23:28] to set how we might make the motions something like that.

[3:23:32] All right, so I make a motion that the council signal that is our intent at a future date and

[3:23:38] start the city manager to take what steps he needs to meet and confer on the effects of requiring

[3:23:47] It codes vaccination or proof of a negative test within a week of all city employees in order to work.

[3:23:57] City attorney does that work as a motion.

[3:24:05] So it would come back for much more discussion and a final vote.

[3:24:10] So it would come back for much more discussion and a final vote.

[3:24:14] Okay, so that's my motion.

[3:24:17] Second.

[3:24:17] You can buy Council Member Carnivaling any further discussion.

[3:24:22] Rolls call vote.

[3:24:23] Council Member Ross.

[3:24:25] Council Member Lam.

[3:24:26] Council Member Carnivaling.

[3:24:28] Mayor Potem Gutierrez.

[3:24:30] Mayor Gregory.

[3:24:31] Yes.

[3:24:33] All right.

[3:24:33] Well, that's the last thing on COVID that I have on my list, is anyone else have anything else

[3:24:37] that they wanted to?

[3:24:39] Just a brief statement.

[3:24:40] It's very difficult.

[3:24:42] I pass a much respect for Council Members Carnivaling and Gutierrez and Mayor Potem

[3:24:48] And in no way would I ever go out of my way, and I don't think any of us would ever hurt you, you know, sort of sort of our council people versus, you know, the community and I just, I just want you to know for sure it was a personal.

[3:25:01] I know.

[3:25:02] And I think that's correct.

[3:25:03] And I hopefully, hopefully you don't take it away.

[3:25:06] And actually, I think that what you're saying on a speaker is our correct.

[3:25:10] that it takes courage to work outside of your comfort zone or outside of what my personally

[3:25:17] cause you some issues by you've shown a commitment for a safety of everyone in the city

[3:25:23] and the best welfare of everyone in the city and so sometimes it's easy to say that and then

[3:25:28] you but you actually show it when you do your job.

[3:25:31] Thank you Councillor Lambert Ross for that but I've been up here for years and I've always

[3:25:35] I said, you know, safety first citizens of Cathedral City always come first and it's great to have a council that even that sometimes we agree to disagree.

[3:25:45] We all agree tonight that this is the best move for Cathedral City and its visitors.

[3:25:51] And as I said earlier, it was inevitable.

[3:25:53] Something's going to happen sooner or later, so better sooner than later.

[3:25:59] Thank you.

[3:26:00] All right, there's nothing else in this item, then we'll go ahead and move to the next item on our agenda, which is close session.

[3:26:04] We don't have a closed session tonight and then we have our new item number nine discussion on future agenda items.

[3:26:12] This is something that we discussed last time. We will be adding to the agenda.

[3:26:15] So just the opportunity, just a reminder, this is opportunity for members of the city council to request that items be added on a future agenda.

[3:26:26] And for the council to discuss whether one or more items should be added to the agenda and to comply with the Brown Act.

[3:26:31] We should limit our discussion just to whether we want to add the item to the future agenda.

[3:26:37] Council.

[3:26:45] The request from Richard Eaton from the vault.

[3:26:48] He did have a good point.

[3:26:50] The cannabis was the only industry that was not subsidized or helped.

[3:26:54] I don't know what we can do if we can do anything.

[3:26:56] Because obviously money is out of the question because everything comes from the

[3:27:03] possibly helping out for a short term, as he mentioned, I think it's worth discussion.

[3:27:11] So I was on an impression that, again, utilizing our advisory groups that when we had

[3:27:17] topics like that, we would refer them to, usually, to the campus task force, for their

[3:27:22] feedback and some research, maybe what other.

[3:27:25] So I'm not against it.

[3:27:27] Well, I'm really confident.

[3:27:28] I think cannabis tests first might take a little bit longer and with this COVID coming up again, I think this would probably be a good time to discuss it

[3:27:38] All right, well, I would that's whatever that's what the council gets it to side. I mean, do you guys you want to

[3:27:43] String on the agenda

[3:27:45] Yeah

[3:27:46] Straight to the agenda

[3:27:48] All right, it sounds like the majority of the items so when when would you because that would take some research to because we don't want that

[3:27:55] I think I think a reasonable

[3:27:58] date would be September 8th, that gives us

[3:28:07] three weeks and all practical terms, because that agenda will have to go out a week before that, of course.

[3:28:14] Given in light with the mayor did say about the cannabis task force, Charlie would it be advisable

[3:28:20] to contact them and tell them that it will be coming up on the agenda and possibly they could have a report.

[3:28:25] Is it Maria that's charged of that or had a bit no I actually chair the cannabis chair. Okay, and

[3:28:32] Our practice has been anything related to that to go to them first, but it's not a it's not a requirement. Of course

[3:28:38] You have the ability to act on things

[3:28:42] Anyway, so it would be it would be a little different than our normal practice, but and I just did some research recently on

[3:28:50] all the taxes charged on the various types of businesses in the

[3:28:54] that Coach Lvalli City, so it'd just be a matter of compiling that, but I do think I

[3:28:59] do think it would be too soon for the next meeting.

[3:29:02] Okay, that's fine.

[3:29:03] And just for full disclosure, the reason he did that was I took a meeting with Maria

[3:29:07] Scagnotti and Rich Eaton about cannabis taxes in my office, they're both in my district

[3:29:15] and they asked for meeting it.

[3:29:17] But nothing was resolved.

[3:29:18] It was just an informational, I listened.

[3:29:20] We're certainly going to need some type of report on the fiscal impact of the city's budget of that.

[3:29:27] I just want to get a no.

[3:29:29] I, you know, that 24th of square percent.

[3:29:31] Yes, and I have information already on what we, what we generate in a typical month.

[3:29:37] Actually, I have four years worth of data, a month by month, and how it varies throughout the year,

[3:29:45] because certain, it's, it's cyclical like many of our businesses are.

[3:29:49] All

[3:29:51] right, all right, any other future agenda items now it's the last last week at the

[3:30:00] Our last meeting when we went over the goals, there were two items that had not been set for on the calendar.

[3:30:09] And one of them was the downtown design, and then the other one was the zoning. So have you had a chance to, we have getting calendar this week.

[3:30:17] So did you get a chance to set those on the calendar?

[3:30:20] I have not, I have not supposed yet mayor and I will say that I need a little time on both

[3:30:27] of those because we're supposed to go live on the inner gov software which is in the planning

[3:30:35] zoning and building department on September 8th and I think to expect anything else while

[3:30:41] that and for a short period after that anyway there's going to be everything going to be slower

[3:30:46] because when you install a new product initially, even though the long-term benefits are going

[3:30:51] to be faster service, the initial result is slower service as everybody gets used to that.

[3:30:58] So I would ask to make that in the November timeframe.

[3:31:03] So you're going to, you're going to, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll,

[3:31:07] I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll.

[3:31:08] I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll.

[3:31:10] I think this came up once before, and of course it's up to Council's not just up to me,

[3:31:14] but I had suggested before we talked about downtown and

[3:31:16] aesthetics we might go on a road trip together and look at what some other cities look like

[3:31:21] and pick out our favorites and our least favorites so that we have a basis for understanding.

[3:31:26] But that, you know, that's just, you don't want to hold a council going on a road trip.

[3:31:29] Yeah, we're going on a road trip.

[3:31:33] Yeah, I think there's alternatives to that.

[3:31:37] We'll have to wait until it's safe to be in a vehicle.

[3:31:39] That's why I'm saying that.

[3:31:41] But you know, some day.

[3:31:41] It's just Paris.

[3:31:46] So I don't know if this is really a future agenda, but there was a question about the meeting that's scheduled on the same week as the League of California cities.

[3:31:57] And I don't know if that ever got resolved.

[3:32:00] And I know we ended up we just have one member going, but she is a vital part of her council.

[3:32:06] So that is September 22nd that's affected by that.

[3:32:10] Right, so there's also affected my other organization that meets on that day, and they rightfully

[3:32:17] noted out that September was a month that had five Wednesdays, and you could just easily

[3:32:22] push it over to the next Wednesday, and then you would still have it two week break between

[3:32:26] that and the next meeting, and where you would end up having the extra week would be between

[3:32:32] the eight, and then that subsequent meeting.

[3:32:34] So is there some reason why we're not looking at the 29th?

[3:32:37] I think that's a great idea.

[3:32:40] Is there a one, what is on your calendar for the 29th?

[3:32:42] So you understand we would have a meeting September 8th,

[3:32:45] and then instead of meeting on the 22nd,

[3:32:47] we would just push it to the 29th,

[3:32:50] because that's when the league of September.

[3:32:53] And then you would still have two weeks

[3:32:55] because the next one would be to October 13th.

[3:32:57] And I'm saying two weeks,

[3:32:59] we might have some special meetings in the 28th.

[3:33:02] Yeah, and the only thing that would affect

[3:33:04] is if we had an ordinance that was up for second reading,

[3:33:06] and you can't do that at a special meeting

[3:33:08] and putting it on your other night,

[3:33:10] I think makes it a special meeting.

[3:33:13] But potentially, that's the mayoral rotation ordinance,

[3:33:16] because I think we are planning on having it

[3:33:17] on the agenda for first reading on September 8th.

[3:33:20] Yes, except that the council can adjourn

[3:33:22] the regular meeting of September

[3:33:24] any time they want to,

[3:33:26] and it's still a regular meeting.

[3:33:27] Okay, well then that's the way to do it.

[3:33:28] We would just remember on the 8th,

[3:33:29] we would just read a direct to our meeting on the 29th.

[3:33:33] So, we'll get in the 29th.

[3:33:36] and set of the 22nd.

[3:33:38] Yeah, on the 14th, you would just adjourn to the 29th.

[3:33:43] Actually, the 8th.

[3:33:45] It would be the 8th, right?

[3:33:47] The 8th and the 29th.

[3:33:49] Right, right.

[3:33:51] Okay, the 18th is the 29th, the 7th.

[3:33:55] The 8th to the 29th.

[3:33:57] All the 8th to the 29th.

[3:33:58] Okay, I've got you.

[3:33:59] I thought there was just a move in a week.

[3:34:01] We're not meeting on Saturday.

[3:34:02] Okay.

[3:34:03] I'm not looking at the calendar.

[3:34:05] And it's late.

[3:34:05] All right, so it sounds like that's the council's consensus for that.

[3:34:13] So anything else?

[3:34:15] All right, well, thank you, council.

[3:34:18] And some of these meetings are easier.

[3:34:19] Some of them are harder.

[3:34:21] This one is in the dragon on a little longer.

[3:34:23] But I think we, I think it's to our benefit to address these issues.

[3:34:27] It's the public's benefit.

[3:34:29] And to even if they're on popular to lay some of these things out,

[3:34:32] that people can plan and we start moving forward.

[3:34:35] All right.

[3:34:37] Thank you.

[3:34:37] Go on.

[3:34:37] We're adjourned.

[3:34:38] Thank you.

[3:34:39] Good job, press for hanging to the last minute.

[3:34:45] Go.

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