[0:00] This is the Cedar Mountain Service District public hearing for June 5th, 2026, regarding Zion View Dust. Recordings.

[0:37] We're just going to move right in, and welcome to everybody's here, having our publishers

[0:43] and you to be here tonight.

[0:47] And that passable is the expert on the destination for us as far as costs and everything.

[0:54] So please, we'll take it from here.

[0:55] Okay, I'm going to try and take five or 10 minutes just to kind of frame up where we're

[1:02] at and how all this came about and how this whole process works.

[1:08] So scene around service district is a special service district.

[1:12] The organization is created by the county, but we don't answer to the county.

[1:16] We're not technically a county entity.

[1:18] They're just the creating entity.

[1:20] So, there's board of directors that run things.

[1:25] As time, when the district was created, it was fire only.

[1:29] Over time, there's been services added.

[1:32] A special service district can have four different municipal style services that it controls.

[1:39] I'll have to be separate fees.

[1:40] I'll have to be separate funds.

[1:42] So, we've added snow removal for most of the mountain and dust control five years ago

[1:48] for most of them as well. That's the basics of why this organization does what it does

[1:55] and has that decision-making authority and things like that in June. About a year ago

[2:02] now, the IMU POA came to us and said that one of the biggest things that they had in their

[2:10] meeting that was people wondering if they were eligible for dust control and how to do it

[2:14] what it would take and it's honestly been a couple of your conversation to them. So they

[2:19] came to us and said, what do we need to do? We, outside of what is state law, we gave them

[2:28] some parameters and things that we as a board would look for to make sure that a fair amount of

[2:34] effort and I say fair and some of you may or may not disagree with that based on the responses and

[2:39] conversations we've had so I'm fully aware and understand that but for my

[2:44] opinion we gave them a kind of a fair structure on how to go about things and

[2:49] what to do to give us some confidence that it's not just one person's

[2:54] opinion and it was many people's opinion that wanted an added service they did

[2:59] that provided all the documentation to us we have lots of conversations about this

[3:08] over the course of last fall, we, in addition to what we're required, we had a terrible

[3:15] call.

[3:15] Your guys is POA building to try and answer questions and alleviate any concerns and

[3:22] things of that nature and gather information, really the last year, that's what the board

[3:27] has been doing, it's just gathering information.

[3:31] From there, about two weeks ago, is when the state law portion of this starts, where we

[3:37] notice a public hearing for the intent of an added service to a public property that

[3:44] you guys own.

[3:47] From there, it has to be advertised for two weeks. We did all the necessary

[3:50] advertising for that. We'll hold the public hearing tonight to gather any more additional

[3:55] information. The meeting tonight is not necessarily intended to be a question and answer. Often

[4:02] and times they end up being questioned and answers to some extent.

[4:06] I'm going to try and keep that at a minimum.

[4:08] That's part of why I want to give this little spiel so that we can alleviate some questions

[4:12] and concerns now.

[4:15] So we'll take comment, and then depending on time and things, we're not trying to be here

[4:19] till midnight, which we never know if there's going to be five people that show up or a hundred

[4:24] people that show up because I have public hearings where there's been nobody in the audience

[4:28] and we've had public hearings with 50 people in the audience.

[4:30] So we will, you know, just approach that and what we feel like is a reasonable amount of time.

[4:37] Give everybody the chance to speak their piece on the subject.

[4:41] Then the board will take us into consideration and tomorrow is our monthly slash annual Saturday meeting

[4:49] for the board to handle all of our regular business.

[4:53] And it's on our agenda tomorrow to, for the board to discuss amongst themselves and potentially make a vote on whether or not we're going to have this service in New York as its area or not.

[5:08] As far as the service goes, currently the fee is $125. We are in the process of discussing an increase to that fee, unfortunately.

[5:18] We, this fee was $100, the previous year we raised a $225 due to increase in cost, just

[5:28] like everything else in our lives.

[5:31] This year we were blindsided by a 24% increase in material cost, a total increase in cost

[5:41] of 20 and a half percent.

[5:45] So that forced us to reassessing this fee sooner than we wanted where this

[5:50] district manages three different services, three fees. Our goal is to assess a fee

[5:56] once every three years, heading a major issue. Well this year with a 20% increase

[6:02] in price we've got a major issue. We have to reassess to to make sure that we can

[6:08] continue providing the service for everybody across the mountain. When we talk about

[6:12] pricing services to a special service district, state law states that every person in the

[6:21] district has to pay the same amount for the same service within reason. It's a fairly

[6:28] great situation, but we don't feel like Zion View would have any other special circumstances

[6:34] to pay a different amount than anywhere else on the mountain. There could be some conversation

[6:40] about the length of road to get out there and some things like that but we

[6:43] approached the design view subdivision as just the same as every other

[6:47] subdivision on the mountain and so you guys would pay the same fee as the rest

[6:52] of the mountain. With that being said, I took the mileage road that you guys have,

[6:57] the number of parcels out there, put our current fee to it. At last year's

[7:03] pricing, the finances of it all works out. There's basically what that means is

[7:07] There's enough properties, paying enough fee in your guys' subdivision to cover the cost to provide the service in your subdivision.

[7:16] One thing that we try to do is not have the rest of the amount as a whole subsidized, you know, somebody else could cost $200 a lot to provide a service out to you guys, but everybody else is paying 150.

[7:31] Then we have to sit and consider, do we raise the fee to everybody else to provide it to you?

[7:35] That didn't happen in this situation. There's enough money to cover the cost of doing that.

[7:42] So I thought a little bit about the fee

[7:45] In the numbers that we're working and this is not necessarily part of tonight's discussion

[7:50] This is there will be a completely separate public hearing for this

[7:56] The board's gonna discuss it tomorrow. I'm very hard meeting separate from Zartin View

[8:00] But for the amount as a whole, we're expecting that D is going to be around $150.

[8:06] I've got lots of numbers and stuff worked out for that.

[8:09] Again, that's not necessary.

[8:12] It applies to a nice conversation, but not because you guys came before that public hearing.

[8:17] So until we have that public hearing, we make that decision.

[8:20] We don't know exactly what's going to happen overall.

[8:22] But I think it would be, I'd be remiss if I'm not telling you what's coming down the clock.

[8:30] I can see what's going to happen in the future, so we might as well lay that on the table as far as what could happen.

[8:37] Again, the board has to discuss it, have a public hearing, and actually decide to change that fee.

[8:43] But if we're going to continue to provide the service across the rest of the mountain as we are at this point,

[8:48] we're not going to have a choice but to do that.

[8:50] All of these fees are intended to be as direct of a pass through to you as possible.

[8:56] It's not some government slush funds sitting here just gathering and accumulating this huge reserve.

[9:04] All of the fees have to be spent specifically on what they're paid for.

[9:08] So every dollar for dust has to go back towards dust control. Every dollar for snow has to go back towards snow.

[9:15] Every dollar for fire in the US has to go back to that.

[9:17] that, those funds cannot be commingled, money cannot be shared, so if we had $100,000

[9:24] surplus in the snow fund, fire can't go, oh sweet, we're going to go buy some new equipment

[9:29] with it.

[9:30] That's not, it doesn't work that way.

[9:31] What we would do is then lower the next year's fee, spend that 100 grand, we want to keep

[9:36] it as low as possible.

[9:38] Now, solar reserve needs to be there to cover situations like we're in this year, when

[9:42] we get a 20 percent price increase that can be projected prior to the fee going out

[9:47] We need some kind of reserve, you know, to some extent it's not going to manage the business side of this, right?

[9:52] So there is middle-world reserve, obviously firing the investment on much larger one than dust.

[9:58] Dust we try to keep at approximately 10% of the total annual revenue is what we try and keep in reserve.

[10:06] So that works out to be around 30 to $40,000.

[10:11] So that's where we're at as far as all that goes.

[10:13] As far as the service of providing the service, the Forest Service Road, which is the Forest

[10:21] Service Road from Caligar to Caligar, it's a Forest Service Road owned by the Forest Service

[10:26] with an MOU to the County Road Department for maintenance and control of that road, basically

[10:31] the county has an MOU to be able to make all decisions on that road.

[10:36] County Road Department and the County Commissioners have given us their blessing to provide this

[10:40] service on the road that they own. So we enter and then have things you know

[10:46] in place, agreements in place with them. To do that, that's stone-mobile dust

[10:50] all of the things. Once we get into your subdivision, all of the main roads

[10:56] through the middle of the subdivision are considered class D roads. The

[11:00] qualification for maintenance at the county level for a class D road is if a

[11:05] side by side can get through it, that's the level of maintenance that a class D

[11:09] road is entitled to or that's their definition of maintenance on a

[11:14] class D row. As long as the side by side can get through it, they're not going to touch it.

[11:19] Obviously your roads are much much better than that. They, although they don't have

[11:24] funding and budgeting for that, our road department, they're really good guys that

[11:28] go over and above to do their very best to give everybody the best they can

[11:33] within their budgetary constraints, which their budget is probably one of the

[11:38] the hottest topics at the county level that's constrained and whatnot.

[11:43] The last few routes, which are the rest of the roads on the mountain more or

[11:48] less, those get one to two treatments a year as far as greeting goes.

[11:55] And then we obviously manage the added services of storm ruling dust over the top of those

[12:00] roads.

[12:02] As far as like, you know, out and you're going to subdivision, drainage is obviously a

[12:07] major issue in topic of concern. The road department doesn't have this time, whether they

[12:14] can get grants and things, but we don't have the ability to go in and necessarily upgrade

[12:21] your roads or anything of that nature. We just apply to what we get, right? Now, with

[12:26] that being said, part of the dust fee across the rest of the mountain, we've built in a

[12:32] a little bit of a cushion.

[12:33] So our new department and us work very well together.

[12:37] They do us some favors by providing a water truck

[12:40] and the road department greater helps us manage

[12:43] the application of product and things of that nature.

[12:46] In turn, in order to provide a better dust control product,

[12:51] we then give back some road base culvert here

[12:55] and there are things of that nature.

[12:57] It's kind of our, it's a handshake agreement

[12:59] between our board and the road department but me and Burke Harris is ahead of the

[13:05] road department. He's been given the ability from the commissioners for him to

[13:11] do what he feels like is fair and right and manages the vision that's what he

[13:14] does. So if him and I have that agreement him and us have that agreement that

[13:19] they do a little for us we do a little help there. So if you guys are brought into

[13:24] you the dust control after tomorrow and whatnot,

[13:28] you would be open to some of those improvements

[13:30] when we can and whatnot.

[13:33] It's not a ton of money.

[13:34] We usually are talking 15 to $30,000 a year.

[13:37] When you start buying road base,

[13:38] you didn't buy it.

[13:39] You didn't spend a quarter of a million dollars

[13:40] on road base.

[13:41] It doesn't go that far.

[13:43] But it's something.

[13:43] It's something's better than nothing.

[13:44] So that's the agreement there.

[13:46] By you guys doing dust control,

[13:48] that does not change the classification of your road,

[13:50] does not change how often it gets created.

[13:52] That is not managed by this district.

[13:54] I cannot control that in any way, other than to tell you that we have a very good relationship and those guys do everything they possibly can within their abilities and budget to help us.

[14:04] But there is no guarantee, nothing written, stone, that your road maintenance on the grading level from the counting size is going to change at all by doing the dust control product.

[14:15] Okay. All of your roads in your subdivision will be treated. Every property, every parcel

[14:20] in the subdivision would incur the fee. There's no one person doing it, the next person

[14:27] not. There's no one road doing it, the next road not. It's an all or nothing situation.

[14:36] I think that really hits the basics of it all. Like I said, I'm sure there's going to be

[14:41] a question or a tea throughout that. Hopefully I've covered most of it. As far as tonight

[14:46] It goes really like I said at the beginning tonight is really for you guys to give your opinion for us to absorb that so that we can make the best decision possible.

[14:54] We are here to represent you one of our board members who is unfortunately not here but at Carter is a...

[15:00] Property owner, near subdivision, so you have direct records, direct representation on this board. The idea when this board is formed is to have people from all across the mountain that all different subdivisions and levels of income and all those things so that we can all make the best decision for everybody as possible. Obviously, as everybody knows, no matter what decision to make, not everybody's going to be happy, that's the long sort of that. But we do try to take into consideration to giving the best result

[15:29] for the most people, right? So that's kind of the approach that we've always taken with everything.

[15:35] As far as tonight goes, like I said, it's for you guys to give your opinion.

[15:38] We're going to start with just limiting everything to two minutes of comment.

[15:42] If you have a question, let me know. I'll jot it down, if it's a simple yes or no.

[15:45] I mean, just throw out the answer right then. But to try and alleviate 10,

[15:50] we've been in situations where you get in 10, 15, 20 minute conversations.

[15:54] We're going to try to avoid that to start with.

[15:57] I have hopefully made myself available and told everybody, I continue to tell everybody,

[16:02] I always make myself available as best I possibly can, I'm on the mountain pretty much

[16:07] always.

[16:08] My business is here, I live here, you're around, I'm full-time here, I'm very, very involved

[16:13] in this district along with a lot of other things, so quite knowledgeable on most things going

[16:19] on or down here, so if for some reason you have more discussion don't hesitate to email

[16:24] me, contact me, I'm happy to have it.

[16:26] conversation about anything that this district does and honestly the mountain is a hole.

[16:32] So we'll just go ahead and open it up for public comment and then we'll just very succinctly

[16:38] state what the treatment areas will be if I am not a view.

[16:42] Yeah.

[16:43] You can't cost over it.

[16:44] No problem.

[16:45] So from where we stop providing the current service, which is about the broad hollow trellet,

[16:51] But technically, at that Caligar, technically, but we do go past that because the dust pulls

[16:56] up into the strawberry valley, so we do treat past that.

[17:01] So from that Caligar to your guys' main entrance, Caligar, from there up the main road to

[17:10] the end of private property, we are not going all the way to the point, we'll be stopping just

[17:15] just add or just pass private property there, and then every county owned road in the subdivision.

[17:21] Even the deeds.

[17:22] All the deeds, every road in your subdivision, so there's 700 and change properties in your subdivision.

[17:29] Every single property has a road that gets to it, every single property will be treated.

[17:33] Is that the same level of treatment that you're currently doing down this stronger point road?

[17:37] Yes, sir.

[17:38] So, from the downstairs to forward, that is excellent, that tree.

[17:42] to be exactly the same.

[17:43] It would be exactly the same.

[17:44] Strawberry Valley was sprayed on.

[17:46] So the main road that Strawberry was sprayed about three

[17:48] weeks ago, Strawberry Valley itself,

[17:51] all the other, you know, offshoot roads,

[17:55] they were all sprayed on the third side.

[17:56] So, you want to see what it looks like here.

[17:58] That's a great example of what it looks like.

[18:00] Most of it's dry by now and all of that.

[18:03] Did you explain how the three-monthly year

[18:05] is spreading in minutes?

[18:06] Yeah.

[18:07] Do you think it's going to be effective?

[18:08] Yeah.

[18:09] So it gets sprayed one time a year.

[18:11] The roads are water, prior to, it takes water, so magnesium fluoride is what it does is

[18:19] it pulls moisture out of the air and it forces moisture into the dirt, so the dirt doesn't

[18:24] dry out as easy.

[18:25] I drove through strawberry two days and going out mag on my truck, if you go out and touch

[18:29] my truck, the dirt still wet because that's how magnesium fluoride works.

[18:35] There's lots of dust control products in this world. We've tested in 2021. We tested three different ones

[18:42] We talked of all kinds of reps and we've done our due diligence as far as all I know

[18:47] So I'd be happy to go into that with somebody later

[18:49] I don't feel like we need to right now, but we've done our due diligence. We tested products in different places throughout the mountain

[18:55] See how well they lasted and all that kind of stuff

[18:59] So we the roads get graded when they need it

[19:02] So, in your guys' situation, greater weight and burden go out and touch up when things

[19:06] be touched up and do what the counting row dictates as far as that goes.

[19:12] Then we'd have a date set if the rows get watered the day before, night before, so everything's

[19:17] nice and wet and moist.

[19:18] And then the guys come out and apply all the product and the entire stuff of the vision in

[19:21] one day.

[19:22] It's done and over with one day.

[19:23] It takes about 24 or 48 hours to dry hard.

[19:27] And then from there, it just pulled the product cold moisture out of the air and into the dirt.

[19:31] When it gets regraded there is some residual year over year, but when it gets regraded it will get dusty again

[19:38] But then we reapply in the spring before they grade it usually is still there

[19:43] You know, it's it does start to to wash out and wear out and penetrate the soil deeper and all those things over time

[19:51] But we've found that once a year has taken care of the mountain as a whole

[19:55] Pretty well. We're in the middle of our fifth season doing it for the whole mountain. I've had one issue in five years

[20:01] that we've had to address as far as application of MacFar and negative effects that has been

[20:08] brought to me. I'm based on hearsay, I know that there's a couple others here and there, but one

[20:13] that's been brought to us, one major, and it wasn't major, it was just kind of their law is in the

[20:18] lowest point in the valley, and so they get all the drainage and things out in turn, so we had to work

[20:23] through them with that. But that's really how that works, is that your question?

[20:34] Yeah, so we have to have all of our fee rates and property lists into the county once I get my

[20:43] August first what we're going to charge and who we're going to charge for what service loss we

[20:48] turn into the county charge our things here in Charlie's really nicely as we turn into her on August

[20:53] first from there that was on here November October November tax bill and then we would start providing

[21:00] the service in 2027. Right now we're on a four week, four week plus a touch-up rotation.

[21:10] So we basically number the areas that we spray. The main road's always get done first,

[21:16] so like the main road in the swing, the main road in the strawberry, the main road around

[21:18] the village. Dr. Kirjaro, the main road in the color country. All that stuff gets done first

[21:23] and then we come back subdivision by subdivision and we try to rotate the subdivisions every

[21:28] year based on snow melt and grading schedules and all of that. So if swans was the first year,

[21:36] then they're last, you know, at some point. So everybody takes their term in first.

[21:40] Everybody takes their term in last. You guys will just get inserted into that same rotation.

[21:45] We go as fast as the county road can keep up with grading. Our last application this year is next

[21:53] Next two weeks from now, three weeks from now, three weeks from now.

[21:58] So usually by the first of July we're done, our touch up aid is in July.

[22:04] So the whole amount is done by the first of July, generally.

[22:07] So.

[22:08] I just need to clarify for some other people that have concerns about when we get to comment

[22:14] very well.

[22:15] Just general question?

[22:17] Yeah.

[22:17] Okay.

[22:17] concern. You mentioned the lower person where it came in in the trees. They're

[22:23] also talking about the water pool and how dangerous is this to the animals. To

[22:28] animals I don't know so I have the question to that. I've seen yeah I've seen so

[22:34] to put it to you this way we spray in and around duck Creek duck Creek it's

[22:40] stuff okay duck Creek's water is tested up here down at Man with Creek down at AC

[22:46] when it hits 89 all the way down. The reason I know that is because the

[22:52] county Department of Environmental Quality does that testing. They came back to us

[22:57] about F.R.S.S. in the water from septic systems in the metal. That's how we end up

[23:02] with a septic or with a sewer system through the metal is from that. So I know

[23:06] that they're testing the water. Nobody's ever come to us and said, hey, you have a

[23:10] problem with contaminating the water. That's as best as I can answer to that.

[23:21] I don't have the data to support that, I don't believe it does, it's never been so, before this district I managed, I was the president of the doctorate point H.O.A. I've managed magnesium carbon being sprayed on this mountain for like 17 years now, so in all that time I've never had anybody, I've never had an issue with animals, okay.

[23:40] Okay, trees like trees is a hot topic, that's a whole other discussion.

[23:46] Okay, that's why I just talked about that one.

[23:48] Any other like general questions about how things work and then we can just get into your

[23:53] guys' comments from there.

[23:55] Okay, when you guys give a comment like I said two minutes, I will grab a timer now.

[24:02] Stay your name, your property address if you'd like for the record, Liz will put all that

[24:07] into the meeting minutes.

[24:09] Once everybody gets their comments, I can talk about once it's been emailed into the things

[24:13] of that nature if we want.

[24:16] The board has been given all the electronic communications that have come in.

[24:20] The board has been given all that.

[24:23] We have a file with everything in it.

[24:25] We've all read it.

[24:25] We've all reviewed it.

[24:27] Taken all this in.

[24:29] We all five of us that are here carry a fair amount of weight and we really do give our

[24:35] very best to make sure we're giving everybody.

[24:37] the best decision, you know, for everybody as we possibly can.

[24:41] So, I

[24:45] mean, in the back, just make sure you talk about the other way around.

[24:47] I think now it'll pick it up.

[24:48] We're here.

[24:50] Okay.

[24:51] Go ahead with public comment.

[24:58] Yes, ma'am?

[24:59] Go ahead and speak loud and clear and tell us your name and address and anything you want

[25:05] to say.

[25:15] We are here today to express our strong opposition to post use of many of these imploride for

[25:21] desk control on our roads primarily due to its environmental risk.

[25:25] We submitted a public records request for copies of letters, emails, or written complaints

[25:28] sent to the board that relate to Zion View as state desk control proposal, whether it's

[25:33] the board of or in opposition to the proposal.

[25:35] After carefully reviewing the official response

[25:38] from the senior mountain service district,

[25:39] it is clear that the majority of property owners

[25:41] who rode in are against this proposal.

[25:44] Our POA is a voluntary and has no legal authority

[25:46] over individual property owners.

[25:51] Other on the roads or the roads serving our community.

[25:54] Therefore, its recent Facebook poll is unofficial,

[25:57] unverifiable and should not be used

[25:59] as a measure of genuine community support.

[26:02] Importantly, most properties in our community are vacant plants.

[26:06] Many owners do not have cats here.

[26:10] Many use the roads only vocationally.

[26:13] It's not fair to require these owners to help fund a dust control program on roads they rid their child.

[26:19] Beyond that, magnesium fluoride raises serious environmental concerns,

[26:22] it can lead to the soil and groundwater,

[26:24] harming vegetation, and damaging trees and plants, along the roads.

[26:28] brought on from the chemicalostoxic to wildlife and aquatic wildlife, polluting strings, ponds, and wetlands in our area.

[26:36] Once applied, it is very difficult to contain or reverse. For these reasons, I respectfully ask that you do not look forward to this inclusion proposal

[26:44] for Ziong, who's on the state's 2027 DOS mitigation services. Thank you for your time.

[26:50] Thank you very much.

[26:55] Any other public comment for against anything in between?

[27:01] I'm April Cereguisa.

[27:03] I live in Zion's view almost full-time from March or April until about November as well as I come in on snowmobile and through Argo.

[27:15] So I would really, really like to have Mag Chloride.

[27:21] We are a centerpiece for people going to Strawberry Point Road and the recklessness of most

[27:28] of the riders that are coming up through their kicking up dust and doing donuts, it would

[27:33] really be a tremendous asset to have Mag Chloride on the roads.

[27:39] tell us. Our own breathing, our own keeping our house clean, hanged, all that stuff. So I'm for it.

[27:48] Perfect, thank you.

[27:54] Yes sir, please.

[27:55] David came here with the same W.

[28:00] So on the road up to Strawberry Point, most of the people who cost the most of the gas for the need to be

[28:08] When you get up to Strawberry Ridge and Strawberry Point, there's a sign that

[28:12] dregs people if they want to, to go over to Highway 14 via Strawberry Ridge.

[28:18] I would love to see a sign that recommends something like

[28:22] a scenic drive for ATVs and points on that direction.

[28:26] Because I go, and then there's another road that comes down in front of Strawberry Point.

[28:33] But if we could get more ATTs to go on strawberry rigs rather than through some

[28:39] division on strawberry point, that would be phenomenal.

[28:43] We could get a sign up there in strawberry states to have them go eight miles to

[28:50] strawberry.

[28:51] We need more.

[28:53] Yeah, we need more.

[28:54] We need more.

[28:55] The big is not more scenic.

[28:57] Yeah, on the other hand.

[28:58] I think it's actually much more scenic.

[28:59] When they break, when they rent the ATVs for duct tape,

[29:04] the first thing they do is they go to strawberry point.

[29:08] And all I'm saying is, if there could be some encouragement

[29:11] right there and another one, for them to take the strawberry

[29:15] rich route, that would help a tremendous amount

[29:18] with mitigating the amount of dust that we have.

[29:21] And the maps was still showing it go up south mountain.

[29:25] I finally was able to get ahold of Google and Apple

[29:27] and close up.

[29:29] People generally respond to something like a scenic route.

[29:33] And then like that direction up.

[29:34] That's my right way.

[29:36] Perfect.

[29:38] I have a cool comment on that when we get back for sure.

[29:41] Anybody else?

[29:43] Phone?

[29:44] OK.

[29:45] Hi.

[29:46] I will say something about that.

[29:46] OK, everybody else.

[29:47] Yeah, all right.

[29:48] The guy with Sean Gussison and I on the board.

[29:51] I started on the board two years ago.

[29:53] And the first question I had when I started on the board is,

[29:56] what is your concern to the community and everybody.

[30:02] So I, and one of the other board members, Greg Bailey, took it upon ourselves with the help from other board members and said, let's figure out what we need to do to get this thing done. We talked to Zach. Zach gave us the parameters of what we needed to do. We met every one of those parameters and by a majority vote of the people that participated, which was a majority of them, homeowners in the subdivision.

[30:29] Everyone said that they wanted dust control, not everyone, but the majority.

[30:34] And that's why we came to Zach and said, this is what we're speaking, we're not speaking

[30:39] for ourselves, we're speaking for our community, and the community on the pole made their opinion

[30:45] and said that that's what they wanted.

[30:48] Now there are some people, I appreciate your guys' concerns, and that are not poor, and

[30:53] there's people that are poor for it, but the majority of the people in the community are

[31:00] Good. Thank you, sir.

[31:04] Any other public comment? Yes, ma'am.

[31:07] I have been on the mountain for 20 years on the board for 15.

[31:13] Will you give us your name?

[31:14] My name is Karen Coleman. I live in Zionview, Mountain of States on Cascade Drive.

[31:18] Thank you.

[31:20] I've been on the mountain for 20 years in Zionview and on the POA for 15 years.

[31:29] every year that I have been on the board. People have contacted us about the

[31:39] roads and dust control every year for dust control. So I would say that there

[31:49] There are a, if not a majority, there are a great deal of people inside of you that

[32:00] would be for Matt Porreit on the girls there,

[32:07] just not only just for the dust control,

[32:11] but also for the fact that we might get roadtouch up and grading on a more consistent basis

[32:20] than having to beg the county every year to have him do it for us.

[32:27] Perfect. Thank you.

[32:30] Any other comments?

[32:35] Okay, I just have one for what you brought up with the signage and stuff.

[32:41] So one other additional thing that our board is doing

[32:45] and has done in the past will continue to do is

[32:47] we recognize that a lot of the roads that were put in this product

[32:52] not just out to you guys. I mean, we do, we spray the East End of the village, the trail from around the East End of the village here

[32:59] because of the dust on a windy day, a heavy traffic day, the dust flows across the highway. It's a safety concern,

[33:06] so we took that on to do that as well. So, one thing that we've done is submitted to the county commissioners and patty here is one of our county commissioners.

[33:16] We submitted requests for funding to help offset a little bit of this cost on those sections

[33:22] of roadway or trail that aren't part of it.

[33:25] So getting up to Zion View, getting up to the point, I think eventually maybe that would

[33:31] be part of the conversation, but that's another challenge beyond that.

[33:36] We don't need to dive into it right now.

[33:39] So there's that.

[33:40] And then as far as signage go, I do think that there's a couple other boards other than ours.

[33:45] I mean, yes, we can talk about putting up signs from our front.

[33:49] But there's a couple other boards.

[33:51] How do you have to argue with the name of it?

[33:53] But the trails committee, the trail...

[33:56] There's the record transfer?

[33:58] Yeah, the Recreation Transportation Board.

[34:00] They do a lot of grants and things of that feature.

[34:03] Be something that the POA or somebody could go to to ask for better signage.

[34:07] Um, you can talk to them, talk to the county entities, you tell me if there's a better one about going to the right toll places about their maps and things that nature.

[34:17] We obviously will do what we can do, but our permit will only go so far for some of those things.

[34:23] Like, if we want to put a sign up, I say I go get the county, the road to artist permission, all those kinds of things.

[34:28] So, although I don't disagree with what you're saying, I think that having an ATV loop out around your supervision would make all sense in the world.

[34:38] But getting that done isn't for this board to do. But as a mountain community, as a whole, I recognize that that's definitely something.

[34:48] So, if you want to, if anybody wants to work on that, I can try and help facilitate with the county commissioners who to talk to you and all those things.

[34:55] things, but there's ways to approach that situation as well.

[35:02] It's not something that I've...

[35:03] Well, that's not a very expensive thing to do.

[35:06] Oh.

[35:06] It just takes a lot of time when they see seeing it.

[35:09] Yeah.

[35:09] Versus and short.

[35:11] And the grand volume of things for that type of thing is out there.

[35:14] It's really the time of knowing where to go and how to...

[35:18] I'm out of it.

[35:19] Well, and if you guys in the POA want to do it, it's a simple request to

[35:24] that's not hard to do at all, I mean, can't meet for years and officers, so yeah, understood.

[35:30] And like I said, we can do what we can do, but our scope in this, the overall big picture is only one piece.

[35:38] So that's where we try and help, you know, the county commissioners are going to read that's where they try and talk.

[35:42] That's where they're all going to help facilitate those kinds of things.

[35:45] Would you agree with that?

[35:46] these are better with the state.

[35:47] I was thinking the money would be a possibility for those opposite charism.

[35:51] We, you know, do the maps of different heights and rides, like, I don't know.

[35:57] Redirected it was, I got to give somebody else an issue.

[35:59] Or since you get a receipt.

[35:59] Well, there isn't any law in the strawberry.

[36:01] Redirected it.

[36:02] Tracked charism sign down and have the mileage.

[36:06] Yeah, those are all the things that are going to be great.

[36:07] But again, not necessarily for this, but I recognize, you know, I just want to make sure that

[36:11] I recognize that.

[36:12] And it's definitely easier than to your team.

[36:19] It's a stronger bridge road than it ain't pretty well.

[36:21] I don't think it's right off the road.

[36:23] It's a good trail.

[36:26] I would want to drive my truck down to the end of the truck.

[36:29] Cars aren't really.

[36:31] It would be the decrease of side-by-side traffic.

[36:35] And then we would encourage on the side-by-sites,

[36:39] you know, the guys spin and don't.

[36:40] They're going to do that on top of the Mack 4.2

[36:42] And they tell you that don't don't think that we're not sure making the calls to the sheriff's apartment to deal with that on the roads

[36:48] That are already being treated so there is an aspect that we do get involved with that as well

[36:53] So limiting the traffic the unnecessary traffic for the you know

[36:57] Cybers are traffic that is harder on the roads that is that part didn't does come back to us a little bit to to do what we can

[37:04] With the sheriff's office and DNR and those kinds of people

[37:06] It's also the people in the community and their own children

[37:08] Yeah, maybe they're sitting here now

[37:10] Yeah, I mean, that's the biggest thing for, like I said, I sit on a lot of boards and deal with all kinds of these different issues and it's just really coming together as if we need to and trying to do what's smart.

[37:21] I completely understand that we're not going to make everybody happy.

[37:25] It's about the big picture and trying to do the best we can with that.

[37:30] Other than that, if anybody has any other questions, I don't need to keep running my mouth because I'll do that online.

[37:39] Yeah, we can, I'm happy to write it, and our email addresses are really long, so I'm happy to read with you after the meeting and we'll write them down for you.

[37:46] Oh yeah, that's a good place.

[37:59] and then all of our, all of our department emails are on there and then if you need us for further conversation we can handle that, so can I be a comment?

[38:13] Yes, please.

[38:14] You know, it doesn't take, you can go down the map to the people that rent the ATDs with

[38:20] whatever you want, ask them to use it.

[38:24] It doesn't take the government, so I'm sure that you can do that.

[38:31] Oh, like I want to take my time.

[38:33] Is that enough?

[38:35] I don't know.

[38:37] One more opportunity for public comment.

[38:40] Anybody have anything else?

[38:42] It's kind of that's speaking out for a more ultra-peace conversation, kind of face it right now, absolutely.

[38:48] Okay.

[38:50] I welcome, I'm motion.

[38:52] Or do you want all the emotions in here to show you?

[38:55] I have a hopefully adjourned the meeting at 6.40, please.

[38:57] That's it.

[38:58] Okay.

[39:00] 6.40?

[39:01] Yes, ma'am.

[39:02] Okay.

[39:03] Thank you, everybody.

[39:04] Thank you.

[39:04] We'll be here tomorrow morning.

[39:06] Okay.

[39:06] And if you want to come here, the rest of the, the rest of the stores business.

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