[5:00] Good afternoon, everyone. And welcome to the afternoon session of the July 22nd Board of Supervisors, meeting Madam Clerk.

[5:08] Mr. Chair, the first item on the agenda is approval of minutes for the June 24th Board of Supervisors meeting.

[5:14] Board members of any quick and emotion to approve the 24th June 24th minutes.

[5:19] So, we'll ask a second, take any discussion.

[5:24] All in favour?

[5:25] Thank you.

[5:27] Madam Clerk.

[5:27] Item two.

[5:28] Request to postpone agenda.

[5:29] Items and additions, deletions, or changes in the order of presentation, staff has one request.

[5:35] We would like to move item 15D1H, adoption of a resolution requesting the circuit court

[5:42] of Chesterville County to order a referendum election.

[5:45] On the question of whether Chesterfield County should be authorized to love a general retail sales tax not to exceed one percent to provide revenue solely for capital projects for the construction or renovation of schools serving Chesterfield County in accordance with Virginia code section 58.1-605.1 as amended.

[6:07] We would like to move that to new business, that will come after,

[6:20] that will come after item C, which is appointments.

[6:25] So it will become item 15D.

[6:30] God, thank you, Madam Clerk.

[6:33] Board members, are there any additional requests to remove items from the consent agenda for discussion by the Board?

[6:40] If not me, I get a motion to remove item 15d-1 or dot 1 dot h from the consent agenda and approve the consent agenda as amended.

[6:52] Can I get a motion?

[6:53] Mr Chair.

[6:54] This will just be a motion to approve the amended agenda.

[6:57] Got it.

[6:58] Just for the one.

[6:59] Motion to approve the amended agenda.

[7:01] Sorry.

[7:02] All in favor?

[7:03] Madam Clerk.

[7:05] Item three.

[7:06] Resolutions and special recognitions.

[7:08] A. Resolution Recognizing Major Donald Hop, Sheriff's Office upon his retirement, will

[7:14] Major Huff and his guests please join the board in the front of the room.

[7:26] The board?

[7:27] Yep.

[7:48] The board?

[7:50] They're working?

[7:52] All

[8:14] right.

[8:15] Madam Clerk, can you please read the resolution?

[8:17] Yes, sir.

[8:19] Whereas Major Donald Huff was hired on July 23, 2001 as a deputy and has faithfully and honorably

[8:25] serve the Chesterfield County Sheriff's office for 25 years under Sheriff Clarence D. Williams

[8:31] Jr. the late Sheriff Dennis S. Profit. Senior and current Sheriff Carl S. Leonard.

[8:38] And whereas Major Huff was awarded a good conduct ribbon and received letters of appreciation

[8:42] for his multifaceted contributions to recruitment, strategic planning, and community outreach.

[8:49] And was further recognized what a life saving award for displaying exceptional courage

[8:53] and compassion in rescuing and resuscitating and inmate following a suicide attempt.

[8:59] And whereas Major Huff earned a unit citation for a successful training audit,

[9:04] letters of commendation for achieving agency components with the Prison Rape Elimination Act

[9:10] and assisting in a fugitive apprehension and drug seizure and a letter of appreciation for

[9:15] contributing over 50 hours of community service to the Chesterfield Food Bank's Kids Summer

[9:21] Food Program.

[9:23] And he further received celebrating success awards for his initiative in streamlining the

[9:28] deputy hiring process, assisting with interviews and organizing the agency's first public

[9:34] safety career expo.

[9:36] And earned a Maritory's service award for going above and beyond his normal duties to bring

[9:40] the growth through opportunity program to Chesterfield.

[9:43] And whereas major half received recognition for his extraordinary achievement in creating, developing, and implementing, the adherence, vigilance, observation, interdiction, diligence, initiative, to prevent and made deaths, and was further commended for his hard work on the Sheriff's Office Wellness team, as a true representative of peer and staff well-being, and received a letter of appreciation for his dedicated service during the funeral of Deputy William Barrett Walters.

[10:14] And whereas Major Huff throughout his distinguished career has embodied the highest ideals

[10:20] of public service, exemplifying the highest level of integrity and leadership, and has earned

[10:26] the profound gratitude of his peers, the Sheriff's Office, and the citizens of Chesterfield

[10:30] County. Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Chesterfield County Board of Supervisors,

[10:36] this 22nd day of July 2026, publicly recognizes the outstanding contributions of Major Donald

[10:43] Huff. Expresses the appreciation of all residents for his dedicated service to Chesterfield County,

[10:49] and extends congratulations and best wishes upon his retirement for a long, healthy, and happy

[10:55] future. And be it further resolved that a copy of this resolution be presented to major Huff

[11:00] and that this resolution be permanently recorded among the papers of this Board of Supervisors of

[11:05] Mr. Phil County, Virginia.

[11:08] Thank you for the big emotion.

[11:10] You're a second all in favor, sir.

[11:13] All right.

[11:13] I thank you.

[11:15] I think we're going to go to a Britain presentation, correct?

[11:22] Yes, I'm a little bit of a typical option.

[11:24] I'm staying on behalf of Sheriff Leonard.

[11:26] Who cannot make it with us today.

[11:27] And just pleasure to present Donald Trump.

[11:30] With his retirement.

[11:31] I was hoping he hang on to out last,

[11:33] but he's going before me, but the resolution is fantastic.

[11:37] but it doesn't really begin to tell the whole story of major house contributions throughout the

[11:43] Sheriff's Office. He truly, as you will see with all three of our retirees today, they say you

[11:47] have a legacy of service within our department, and each one of them having their own way left things

[11:53] behind for us to continue on with and to grow on. And major health today, this is your, your

[11:59] break. It's a replica of the brick that will be out from the 1917 courthouse, and that's yours to

[12:04] They come with you and it's pretty heavy.

[12:06] I thought the resolution was heavy, but it's got a weight to it.

[12:09] So we thank you for your service and it's been a pleasure of working with you getting

[12:14] to know you proud to call you my friend.

[12:16] He's joined today by his wife, Jen, his son, Joshua, and Graham Baby number one, Gracie.

[12:24] So congratulations.

[12:42] There's a really long list of people I'd like to thank.

[12:45] First and foremost, I know it said, at every graduation we have, especially by the board

[12:50] members of attend, but I'd like to think my family for the sacrifices that they have made

[12:56] throughout my career, you know, we had weather events, me having to go to work because

[13:01] I can't call in. We got to be there. So leaving them in times like that holidays, missed holidays,

[13:09] birthdays, and adversaries, all of those, especially my wife Jen. She's been my rock throughout

[13:14] my career and I wouldn't be here without her support.

[13:18] I've got a lot of people in the blue back there.

[13:21] Those are my brothers and sisters.

[13:22] I came here.

[13:23] I have my one family.

[13:24] Now I've got my extended family and they will remain my brothers and sisters.

[13:28] So thank you to everyone who's helped me along the way.

[13:31] It went by really quick, but I appreciate it.

[14:02] The resolution recognizing Captain Levi Golson, Sheriff's Office upon his retirement,

[14:46] will

[14:53] What do you want to do?

[14:54] What do you want to do?

[15:02] Yes, sir, there.

[15:11] See Resolution Recognizing Master Deputy Patsy Dismute Sheriff's Office upon her retirement will

[15:18] master Deputy Dismute and her guest please join the board in the front of the room.

[15:38] Whereas Master Deputy Patsy Dismute faithfully served the Chesterfield County Sheriff's Office

[15:43] for 25 years, under Sheriff Clarence G. Williams Jr., the late Sheriff Dennis S. Profit Senior

[15:49] and current share of Carl S. Leonard, and whereas Master Deputy Dismycus hired on July 23, 2001,

[15:57] and was assigned to correctional services as a jail deputy. And whereas Master Deputy

[16:02] Dismycus throughout her tenure received letters of appreciation for exemplary performance,

[16:08] open communication, mentoring future CSO deputies as a field training officer, and maintaining

[16:14] professionalism while being the sole rumour in the female housing unit.

[16:19] And whereas Master Deputy Dismuq was awarded good conduct ribbons on multiple occasions

[16:24] in recognition of having no formal disciplinary actions, and whereas Master Deputy Dismuq earned

[16:31] three sheriff's office star performer awards and was commended by Judge Vaughan for exemplary

[16:36] professionalism leadership and outstanding service.

[16:39] And whereas Master Deputy Dismac received a unit citation for exemplary service as part of the peer support team, providing crisis intervention, trauma support, resiliency resources, training, and 24-hour assistance to Sheriff's Office personnel while helping develop and strengthen the agency's peer support program.

[17:00] And, whereas, Master Deputy Dismuth has earned the profound gratitude of her peers, the Sheriff's Office and the Citizens of Chesterfield County.

[17:09] Now, therefore, be resolved that the Chesterfield County Board of Supervisors recognizes the outstanding contributions of Master Deputy Patsy Dismuth,

[17:18] expresses the appreciation of all residents for her service to Chesterfield County, and extends appreciation for her dedicated service to the County and congratulations upon her retirement,

[17:28] as well as best wishes for a long and happy retirement, and be a further resolved that

[17:33] a copy of this resolution be presented to Master Deputy Dismic, and that this resolution

[17:38] be permanently recorded among the papers of this Board of Supervisors of Chesterfield

[17:43] County, Virginia.

[17:52] And also, Mr. Smith, this is your brick, the symbolites of the brick that be from the

[17:57] 1970 Courthouse, get to Marker's service, and, you know, Patrick and I go way back, you know,

[18:05] In the day 25 years ago, I was her training sergeant and we had a good time in training, and she has served as well in the Sarah's office, she's worked a lot of capacities in the Sarah's office and always does so with professionalism.

[18:24] You never had to worry about where she was at or what she was doing, she was always doing what she was supposed to do in helping out her fellow deputy fellow service member.

[18:32] So she will be truly missed.

[18:35] You've got me glad that you're able to catch up with your husband on his retirement now.

[18:39] And I look forward to seeing what you guys are going to do in the future with all this

[18:43] free time you have on your hands.

[18:45] But thank you for your service.

[18:46] Thank you.

[18:49] I'm still formally working right now until July 31st.

[18:54] That's why I'm in uniform, but I'll be officially retired on August 1st.

[19:00] And I just would like to thank each and every one of you all for giving me the

[19:03] opportunity has been a long, long journey, but it has been a great journey to work for

[19:09] Chesterfield Sheriff's office. And I think Sheriff, I went on the three different

[19:14] sheriff, so I think all three of those, one that's not here with us, it was very dear to each

[19:19] and every one of us, we truly do miss him. Until Colonel, thank you. They were all working

[19:27] us in the training. Training is not easy, and they didn't let a bonus either, so I thank

[19:32] for the heart, push, and I continue to hold on. And to my co-workers, thank you guys.

[19:40] Love each and every one of you guys, and don't forget me when I leave here. Remember

[19:43] Deputy Dismute, okay? No master. Deputy Dismute. Thank each and every one of you all on the board.

[19:52] Each and every one that came out on today for one reason or another. Thank each and every one of you.

[19:58] Amen.

[20:21] Let's see. We'll go to...

[20:24] If you Mr. Chair, if you like we do have another retiree here, she's not going to have

[20:32] her resolution read, but she would love to join you at the front of the room and Dave

[20:35] Goodwill.

[20:36] All right, so we'll do recognizing other retirees and special guests, Mr. Goodwill.

[20:41] Mr. Chair, Mr. Vice Chair and fellow board members, Mr. Harris.

[20:44] Like the welcome Kathy Novak, up front with the board right now, she is a company by Gloria

[20:49] House who is the chief deputy commissioner and filling in from this use this evening.

[20:55] Kathy has 21 years of service with the county and we're here to recognize her tonight.

[21:01] I'm going to hand the mic to Gloria because she has a few words.

[21:04] There you go.

[21:08] Mr. Chair, fellow board members, please join me on congratulating Kathy.

[21:15] Hello.

[21:17] Please join me in congratulating Kathy on her retirement after 21 years of

[21:22] standing public service and Commissioner Hughes sends her regress and, fortunately, she's not able to be here today, but I'm honored to have the opportunity to

[21:33] acknowledge Kathy's service.

[21:36] We're not reading the resume today, but I will give a few of the highlights.

[21:40] So Kathy started with the county in 2005 as a temporary secretary and shortly thereafter came to work for the Commissioner of the Revenue's office in 2006,

[21:51] as an administrative assistant and it was through her dedication and hard work that she moved

[21:58] up through the ranks throughout her tenure. She served as a administrative analyst after

[22:04] that and then an administrative supervisor and ultimately part of the leadership team as an administrative

[22:10] manager. Kathy's legacy will be the lasting impact she made on our office and again it was through

[22:18] her dedication and her commitment to excellence as some of the staff members are here can't

[22:24] attest to.

[22:26] So, some of those things that really stand out are Kathy's participation in establishing

[22:34] a robust continuing professional development program for the staff and one of her final assignments

[22:40] was as a change agent for the Workday implementation.

[22:46] She also served as a member of the start-up committee to establish a deputy commissioner of the revenue association in this region of the Commonwealth.

[22:56] Kathy's talent for building relationships and collaboration has won her friends with the Instructural County and also the surrounding localities.

[23:05] And this was never more evident than when we attended meetings with Kathy and she always had friends in the room wherever we went.

[23:13] Although Kathy was a critically important and much respected member of the Chesterville Commissioner

[23:18] of the Revenue's team, we appreciate her sense of fun and her love for people, and

[23:24] she will be deeply missed.

[23:27] The Commissioner of the Revenue along with her staff, which Kathy, a long, happy and well

[23:32] deserved retirement.

[23:39] Thank you.

[23:40] It's been a honor and a pleasure to serve Chesterville County, the Commissioner of

[23:45] office and the citizens of Chesterfield County. It's been a true joy and I will certainly miss all of you.

[23:53] Thank you.

[24:14] Mr. Chair, we have six more individuals that will appear on consent tonight who are retiring.

[24:20] They include very white from building inspections with 33 years, Robin Jones, with mental health support services with 31 years.

[24:27] We have Cali a junior with a police department for 30 years, Greg Velzie with Parks and

[24:33] REC 30 years, Melissa A. Hearn with Farnium S with 28 years, and Christian Wilkinson with

[24:39] Farnium S 20 years. In total the individuals were recognizing tonight, combined to make up

[24:46] 276 years of public service. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I think it around of applause for

[24:51] All right,

[25:01] sounds like Captain Goulson's ready to go forward.

[25:20] We're all settled kind of, all right, that'll work.

[25:24] Whereas Captain Levi Goulson has faithfully and honorably served the Chesterfield County Sheriff's Office

[25:29] for 33 years under Sheriff Clarence G. Williams Jr., the late Sheriff Dennis S. Profit

[25:35] Sr., and current Sheriff Carl S. Leonard, and whereas Captain Goulson was hired on August

[25:42] In a sign to the Correctional Services as a jail deputy, and through dedication, professionalism, and exemplary service advanced through the ranks to Sergeant in 1995, Lieutenant in 2007, and Captain in 2016.

[25:57] And whereas Captain Galson earned recognition as employee of the quarter on multiple occasions

[26:02] and earned the distinct honor of being named employee of the year in 1994.

[26:08] And whereas Captain Galson received numerous letters of appreciation, recognition, and

[26:12] commendation for outstanding leadership, exceptional performance, professionalism, superior

[26:18] attendance, successful inspections, strategic planning, employee mentoring, and contributions

[26:24] to agency operations.

[26:26] And whereas Captain Goulson made significant contributions to the Sheriff's Office by helping

[26:32] develop jail policies and procedures, supporting recruitment and promotional processes, coordinating

[26:38] training programs, filling in as quartermaster, improving operational readiness, assisting

[26:45] with accreditation and inspection efforts, and consistently demonstrating a commitment

[26:50] to organizational excellence.

[26:52] And whereas Captain Galson faithfully represented the Sheriff's Office through many years of service with the honor guard and color guard, participating in funerals, ceremonial events, public safety ceremonies and other occasions that honored fellow public servants and the community.

[27:08] And whereas Captain Goulson demonstrated commitment to community engagement by organizing

[27:13] and participating in youth outreach, conflict resolution and wellness programs, YADA,

[27:20] P.P. conferences, shop with a cop, career fairs, school presentations, public safety initiatives,

[27:28] charitable service, and other efforts that strengthen relationships between the sheriff's

[27:33] office and the community.

[27:36] And whereas Captain Galson was recognized by the highly exceptional

[27:40] ax regarding teamwork program for donating 80 hours of his annual leave to a

[27:45] fellow deputy. And whereas Captain Galson is commended for every three decades

[27:50] a dedicated public service and for earning the respect and gratitude of his

[27:54] colleagues, the Sheriff's Office and the Citizens of Chesterfield County. Now

[27:59] therefore be it resolved that the Chesterfield County Board of Supervisors

[28:02] recognizes the outstanding contributions of Captain Levi Golson, expresses the appreciation of

[28:07] all residents for his dedicated service to Chesterfield County, and extends congratulations

[28:12] and best wishes upon his retirement for a long, healthy and happy future.

[28:17] And be a further resolved that a copy of this resolution be presented to Captain Golson and

[28:21] that this resolution be permanently recorded among the papers of this Board of Supervisors

[28:26] of Chesterfield County, Virginia.

[28:28] Thank you, but I want to make one small friendly addition. He's also an incredibly sharp dresser

[28:35] Who with that I'd like to get a motion? Oh, I got two in second

[28:40] All in favor, sir

[28:41] All right, thank you

[28:45] You know what what is from me to be able to wish you a happy retirement. Thank you for your family here today and

[28:52] Your your brick here is

[28:55] You know, this is indicative for me because I was once asked

[28:58] What can you tell me about Levi-Gosin?

[29:02] I told him a lot of things, but I ended my comments with Levi as a leader that if he tells

[29:08] his people, come on, we're going to go right through that brick wall.

[29:12] He's going to get up and lead him, they're going to get up and follow him.

[29:14] He's that kind of person.

[29:16] He's always was able to just put that on his people, they follow him anywhere, and I know

[29:23] we've seen you in the back of the jail, we've seen you in the courthouse, and we'll

[29:27] year round in your retirement as well. It's been my pleasure. We've been in the same basic

[29:32] academy together, back in 1993, so just very proud of you, man. Very happy for you and

[29:40] your family and your wife to get you back after all these years. I've known this guy

[29:44] over half my life. So I wish you the very best, Lila.

[30:00] To say a whole lot, I will say, the true meaning of service before self. And I see all of these young men and women who

[30:14] are watching come up and I watch their service come before themselves. And this is my day.

[30:29] But you all

[30:29] is what? Outstanding, that's what I'm talking about.

[30:35] Love you, bless.

[31:31] Madam

[33:21] Clerk.

[33:22] Item four, every day excellence, Dr. Worsley.

[33:29] The board, Mr. Harris, Mr. Minks.

[33:32] Every day excellence is a great opportunity for you to learn a little bit more about what

[33:37] going on in our departments and for our community to also learn what some online employees are

[33:42] doing in the community and to go work they're doing. I'm very pleased to bring up two of our

[33:46] department directors, Ms. Free from the health and Mr. Hughes from Community Corrections Services

[33:50] along with our two guests that have been recognized. We all call them the four sisters. If you all

[33:56] will make your way over here to the table and have a seat and I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Hughes

[34:00] to tell you a little bit more about the four sisters story sister act.

[34:12] Mr. Chair, members of the

[34:13] Mr. Harris, Mr. Meeks, Kelly and I are very appreciative of the opportunity that we have today to bring forth

[34:20] Melody Force and her sister, Lindsay Force.

[34:24] Melody works for community correction services.

[34:27] She's been with us for about almost two and a half years.

[34:30] She is a peer recovery specialist.

[34:31] Her sister, Lindsay, is a peer recovery specialist for such a mental health support services.

[34:36] And she's been with him about a year and a half, I believe.

[34:40] There's a couple of unique factors about the four sisters.

[34:42] So I start off with, say, this, that Cheshire Film and Health Support Services with Kelly and the Community

[34:48] Corrections Services, we intentionally collaborate in many different ways.

[34:52] So this is really an unintentional collaboration for us to have this, but it's been very prosperous throughout the agencies.

[34:59] And I also would be remiss if I wasn't talking that Cheshire has a robust peer recovery specialist community and staff throughout many of our departments.

[35:07] So with peer recovery specialists or individuals who have lived experience,

[35:11] They have in recovery, main in recovery, they've been through the process, they are able to reach clients that probation or pre-trail officers cannot reach and often that clinicians cannot reach.

[35:23] They have been there, they have been through many of the trials, the tribulations, the difficulties, they provide a perspective that we have been able to be able to provide.

[35:35] I can go on and talk about what they do in terms of connecting clients with recovery housing,

[35:40] transportation, offering solace to a client who might have a positive test or might be facing a difficult court date.

[35:47] They might be assisting somebody who's having a difficult time in the community.

[35:53] They are there.

[35:53] So they are problem solvers.

[35:55] They are connectors.

[35:56] They bring together people throughout the community.

[35:59] And I think that Kelly and I could say that about many of our peer recovery specialists

[36:03] with the lived experience and what they do in terms of connecting others to services and providing

[36:08] some hope. What I feel as unique about the four sisters would be this, and particularly from the

[36:12] perspective of community correction services. Melody and Lindsay both have a criminal record,

[36:19] both are actually on community supervision at one time in their lives. They're aware that I'm going to

[36:23] mention that today. I would not surprise them without that. However, what's unique is they have taken

[36:30] their story in their journey and beyond them their family's story and their family's journey

[36:35] about recovering an impact and what they have done is they have taken that on the road.

[36:40] So they have something called the sister act that they go forth that they have provided

[36:44] at conferences, in facilities that that be jails or otherwise and they go out and they are very

[36:50] open about their story and about their experience. From the standpoint of community

[37:00] society, because we were bringing in somebody to our department, full of probation or pre-trail

[37:05] officers, who did have a prior criminal record, who was on supervision that was very

[37:10] different from us.

[37:11] And it was something I would not have imagined when I started in the field 28 years ago.

[37:16] In retrospect, I say it's the best thing we've ever done.

[37:19] We have a much mini-great things, many great staff, but we have somebody who every day shows

[37:24] This is the power of redemption, the power of second chances, for multiple chances, and the

[37:30] power of somebody who has moved on through their life, who is now working and employed

[37:34] in helping so many others.

[37:36] You know, and so I can say, for melody, I can say that about Lindsay.

[37:39] So for me, you know, that's that other piece of what they do, and their service, where they're

[37:44] going out and telling their story, be open about their story and they're inspiring others.

[37:48] And that's what we feel makes the sister act so unique.

[37:51] And I just think both of them for what they do and what they have done for Chesterville County.

[38:04] I echo what Gary said, this, you know, they'll speak in a few minutes, but it just demonstrates the power of the peers that we have in so many of our programs.

[38:13] And we're just so fortunate to have them because it makes such a difference in the lives of those that we serve.

[38:18] So thank you both very much.

[38:22] Poor members.

[38:23] I don't know.

[38:24] We'll see if they want to say some of the first.

[38:26] I would talk.

[38:27] So short.

[38:28] Rest of the red button.

[38:29] Rest of the red button.

[38:30] Got it.

[38:32] Hi, everyone.

[38:32] I'm Lindsay.

[38:34] Thank you so much for this award.

[38:38] We're both really surprised and humbled by the opportunity to kind of showcase the ability

[38:46] to overcome the things that we're all trying to help people with.

[38:51] You know, we're able to overcome and, you know, sometimes there can be a little imposter

[38:55] syndrome.

[38:55] feeling going on, you know, should I be here? Is this okay? But for the most part, peer support

[39:02] has really allowed people with lived experience to, you know, be among other people who are trying

[39:10] to help and really be the bridge to connect with lived experience. You know, so we are really

[39:17] grateful for the opportunity to kind of be the face of that in this moment, but mostly on a more personal

[39:27] I got sober in 2007 on Christmas Eve. It wasn't my choice. And, you know, through that, our family has started to heal my sister got sober and our dad also got sober.

[39:41] And our experience is that, you know, we've always been the girls, you know, the girls do this, the girls did that. And for a long time we weren't connected because of my addiction and then because of hers.

[39:53] but we've been able to come full circle and walk this path of recovery together and then now

[39:59] also work together. So it really truly is a full circle moment and we're proud proud of that.

[40:07] So yeah, that's all I have to say. Thank you so much.

[40:12] I know. And I'm just honored to be here.

[40:17] want to thank Gary and Anna, my supervisor who fought for to have a peer recovery specialist

[40:25] that community corrections and ever since I walked in the door, really before that, Gary said

[40:31] to blaze a trail and to be myself. And that's exactly what I'm able to show up as every day.

[40:38] I've never been able to do that with a job. And right before I came here, my supervisor sent

[40:46] a message. She's on vacation, just to let me know that my recovery led me to her and that

[40:54] it's been the best journey since then. So I want to thank both of them and Joanne, the other

[41:00] director at Community Corrections. And Jenny, Lindsay, supervisor, but I just want to say it's been

[41:08] an honor to serve a county I grew up in that I also struggled with addiction and incarceration

[41:15] and then recovery and to be able to come back into my own community that I grew up in and serve people around me has been a gift and it's a mission when I show up.

[41:29] It is for people that are like me, but also to be able to work with the over 60 officers I get to have the pleasure of working with side by side who have kind of learned to work with a peer recovery specialist for the first time.

[41:45] time it's been really special and I want to thank my sister for doing sister acts and that

[41:54] really was brought on by working at Chester Field and sharing our recovery stories together

[42:00] naturally and then my supervisor said you should take it on the road and so we have so she's

[42:07] road manager too, and just to be able to be with my sister and also share the opportunity

[42:15] to help people together and collaborate. It's been a true gift. So thank you.

[42:22] Four members.

[42:26] What a blessing to be able to take what was a negative and turn into such a positive for

[42:33] not just yourselves and your family, but so many others whose lives you've touched and continue to touch.

[42:39] and so thank you so much for bringing that gift to the county and all the people that you

[42:46] help make it through that process also. We greatly appreciate it.

[42:54] We've seen many programs in the

[42:56] county that have been much more successful in recent years because of the peer support in all different

[43:02] areas and to be able to bring people back that have been through the situations of the people

[43:10] they're helping now to get through them has to be a full circle for so many, and it's

[43:18] just start of somebody else's full circle.

[43:21] And so for you to be willing to do that, to share that, to let people know that you've

[43:27] been through that, but where you're going now, it does inspire others that they can do it as

[43:35] well.

[43:35] And so thank you for the sister act and what you're doing

[43:39] to help our citizens in Chestfield County.

[43:46] You know, I grew up seeing a brother kind of go through

[43:51] addiction and he passed away in 2019.

[43:57] And so I only think if he would have had or the locality,

[44:03] would have had the services that we have, could he have been saved?

[44:07] and you know, that's one thing I look at. You all, and I think that he likely maybe would have been,

[44:16] and that in a way makes us feel a model and it's a commitment of myself and the board to continue

[44:23] to make sure that we fund programs like this because it helps out our citizens and to hear your story.

[44:30] is emotional because you all fall through all that together and I just pray that people

[44:38] continue to see your story and continue to move in the right direction away from addiction.

[44:44] So and also maybe even divert people from addiction. I know as when he growing up that was

[44:50] one thing that I didn't want to do because I saw him and I made me run in the opposite direction.

[44:54] So maybe even some kids who might decide to try something here their way.

[45:00] Here your story and run away from it because of what you all had been through. So I think it could be a few different scenarios that help people, one that people that are going through it and then those who say, you know, they see your story and say, now I want to do it a different way. So just thank you so much for sharing and continue to share it. I know it might be painful sometimes. But, you know, thank you so much for what you all are doing.

[45:29] So, yeah. Thank you.

[45:32] Mr. Chair.

[45:35] You know, we know through certainly to statistics that the addiction and especially the opioid addiction that this country has been through.

[45:43] It's taking a lot of lives from family members.

[45:47] I had a brother-in-law that passed away from addiction.

[45:51] You have no idea the difference you make because it's immeasurable.

[45:58] And you don't know the lives you've probably saved.

[46:00] Unless those people come out and actually tell you,

[46:02] hey, by the way, from talking to you, you saved my life.

[46:05] So thank you for what you're doing.

[46:07] We need more people like you and they're clearly doing this.

[46:12] So I just want to say thanks.

[46:14] I know it means a lot to the people you help.

[46:16] And again, it's immeasurable because you don't know,

[46:20] even the people who may be watching this today,

[46:24] that you may inspire.

[46:26] So keep up the great work.

[46:27] Thank you.

[46:30] Addiction weren't addicted culture, we know that, and much of my experience as a substance abuse counselor

[46:39] is that it really does stem from trauma and you mentioned your father and what he has gone

[46:47] through and probably would put you all through, but it is possible to recover and it is to

[46:55] in the recovery process for the rest of your life, and at the same time recognizing that

[47:01] what you put out there is hope.

[47:03] Hope that anything is possible and being a peer and for you well and for you Lindsay to

[47:08] be able to say it is possible, but you got to do the work and work means you got to be able

[47:14] to feel the feeling.

[47:16] Nobody ever died from feeling a feeling.

[47:18] People die from not feeling a feeling and they often the way to avoid it is by not feeling

[47:24] is to drop into the addiction.

[47:28] So what you're doing is you're getting a lifeline, and I know you already know that, and

[47:32] you get to see it every day, but at the same time, it's a lifeline out into the community, and

[47:38] beyond, because of the sister act, you can spread that web out even further.

[47:45] So thank you what you all continue to do for community and frankly, for that large, everything

[47:52] you do. It's so deeply appreciated and you know, keep doing the work, you know, it's that's

[47:58] what it's about. Thank you. Yeah, I'm Bob.

[48:25] Item five, work sessions, A, in turn, recognition, Ms. Martin Salbe.

[48:42] Good afternoon, Mr. Chair.

[48:44] Members of the Board, Mr. Harris. As, you know, the Chesterville County has sponsored

[48:50] internship programs since the early 1980s. It's our way of helping to grow that next

[48:55] generation of public servants and over the past 40 years we've hosted literally hundreds of interns

[49:02] I think at last count it was close to 400 and many of them have returned to work after college

[49:08] graduation here in the county on one of those.

[49:12] This year we received almost 800 applications for the summer internship program and on May 26

[49:19] We welcome 16 college students and they are interning in various county departments this summer.

[49:27] Some of those interns are here today to observe a portion of the board meeting as part of their educational experience.

[49:34] And at this time I'd like to ask those students to stand to introduce themselves to the board.

[49:41] So I could have the students that are here to stand.

[49:45] And I think we'll start here on the front with Dustin.

[49:51] Hello, my name is Dustin Neighbauer. I just graduated from Center College in Kentucky where I studied math and statistics and this fall I'll be attending graduate school at East Tennessee State University and I'm working in the Learning and Performance Center this summer.

[50:11] on

[50:15] my purpose of met a few of you guys already, but I go to George Mason now on the senior.

[50:20] I have a few more semesters left and I would go to the AD with this environment. So it's pretty fun.

[50:27] Hi, my name is Gabrielle Jones. I'm a riceic solve for the University of South Carolina.

[50:31] There I study marketing and sports management, and this summer I'm in turning with Sports Association and our team.

[50:40] My name is Isia Hogan. I'm a senior at Virginia State University studying criminal justice.

[50:45] I've had a pleasure to intern and head the sheriff's offices here.

[50:51] Hello, I'm Merissa Moskov. I am a junior at NCC University. Sorry, I can't see some of y'all.

[50:59] And I work at the June Out Attention Center.

[51:05] Hello, I'm Leah Dizzy. I'm halfway through a master's at BCU in urban and regional planning,

[51:10] and I've been with the Transportation Department at the summer.

[51:15] Hello, I'm Andrew Dickinson. I just graduated from Southern Indian University,

[51:18] and I am with the procurement department.

[51:23] Hello, my name is Julia and how I'm a senior at the College of William and Mary and this summer I'm working with constituent media services and communications and I'm measuring in public policy and marketing.

[51:36] Okay, and last but certainly not least seat at next to me is Kimberly Gonzalez.

[51:40] She's a rising senior at the University of Virginia majoring in government and she's interning the summer with Mr. Garrett Hart and the folks over at economic development.

[51:50] And Kimberly is going to speak to the board on behalf of herself and the interns, so Kimberly.

[51:56] Good afternoon, everyone.

[51:58] This summer I've had the privilege of interning with the Chesterfield Department of Economic Development,

[52:04] and I can honestly say that it has been an incredibly fulfilling experience.

[52:09] My interest in local government began back in high school,

[52:12] but I really grew up semester when I had an assignment to write about the place I call home.

[52:16] Having grown up and just revealed all my life, I've seen firsthand how much our community has grown and evolved over the years.

[52:24] That experience made me curious about the work that occurs behind the scenes to support that growth.

[52:30] Through this internship, I've had the opportunity to learn how the county approaches development projects.

[52:35] I've also worked on developing an outreach plan to better engage and support his

[52:39] banning zone businesses, as well as a social media strategy, to connect with small

[52:44] businesses throughout the county and region.

[52:47] The work completed by this year's intern classes been equally impressive.

[52:52] At the some interns have contributed to projects such as cash analysis for the counties

[52:56] roundabouts, rail crossing safety audits, and visits to more than 200 stores that sell

[53:01] tobacco products, to educate business owners on the importance of displaying signs stating that

[53:07] they will not sell tobacco products to miners.

[53:10] These are just a few examples of the meaningful work in terms of being able to support it.

[53:16] One of the biggest takeaways from this internship has been seeing how different county departments

[53:20] collaborate toward a shared goal of serving the community.

[53:25] This has given me an even greater appreciation for the impact that local government has on

[53:30] lives of its residents. On behalf of the entire intern class, I'd like to thank everyone

[53:36] who has mentored and welcomed us into your departments. We are truly grateful for the

[53:41] chance to learn, contribute and gain a deeper understanding of our local government as a whole.

[53:48] Lastly, thank you to the Board of Supervisors for your continued support in this internship program.

[53:54] Your investment in this program has provided us with an invaluable experience and we sincerely

[53:59] appreciate this opportunity. Thank you.

[54:06] Thank you, Kimberly. If I could just also recognize a couple of staff members from Human Resources, Mike Yates and Jamie Key are here with the interns.

[54:16] They're the quiet group behind this whole program.

[54:20] They've been with the program for many, many years and it runs like a machine because of them.

[54:25] So I'd just like to publicly thank them for their work and support of the internship program.

[54:31] Thank

[54:37] you. I know that we're going to be seeing all the interns. I think later this week

[54:40] but it's going to check in. See if poor members will see the stringle with a finger on the microphone.

[54:46] Well, I'm sure that you'll hear it again later this week and I'm sure I won't be the only board.

[54:51] Remember what this sentiment but we hope that your experience was good enough for you.

[54:56] They're in the summer to want to come back and work for the county in the future and the doors open to you to come back.

[55:03] I was in a meeting relatively recently and the first thing I heard when I was walking into

[55:11] the meeting was how impressive the work that you all did this summer was and how meaningful

[55:18] it was.

[55:19] It wasn't just we're paying you to sit at a desk and fill some time to fill up some

[55:26] college resume or something.

[55:28] y'all actually put in work that has really benefited our citizens and that was the meeting

[55:35] had nothing to do with that but that was the first thing I heard when I walked through the door.

[55:39] So I want to thank y'all for your work this summer.

[55:46] I'm going to say I'm going to say I'm going to say the only thing I'm going to mention in

[55:49] all price here later but 800 applications accepted how many, 16, 16, it just says something about

[55:57] you all are and I've heard the same thing that you guys are just contributed so much to

[56:03] the county.

[56:04] So we'll be talking more, but thank you for everything that you all have done.

[56:08] Appreciate that.

[56:08] Thank you.

[56:14] Thank you.

[56:15] Be finance update, sales tax for education, Mr. Harris, and Mr. Durgen.

[56:29] Welcome.

[56:31] Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, members of the board, Mr. Harris.

[56:37] We are here to provide a quick finance update for you this afternoon. I'm going to start off with the

[56:43] bonsil. We successfully had the sale on July 14th. It was for the $141 million we received at all of

[56:50] 8 bits. The interest rate that we received was 3.62%. I'm going to draw your attention to the chart on the

[56:57] right. What you see on the top is the interest rate we received on our bonsil last year, 3.8%. The rate

[57:03] we just received the 3.62 and we looked at the same amount on the same day of the sales for U.S.

[57:09] Treasury's on a 20 year yield, which is the same amount of time that we issue our debt

[57:12] for.

[57:13] You can see the inverse there.

[57:15] It was at 4.97 percent for them on the same day that we sold, it was about 5.99 percent.

[57:22] So over the life of those bonds, it's probably about 20 million dollars worth of savings that

[57:25] we realized from the benefit of having that lower interest rate between the two.

[57:30] This was our first fence of the quad triple and at the phenomenon that Gerard is pointing

[57:38] out is a direct result of that strength and certainly what we're seeing in the market

[57:45] and good number of bits, very, very tight range and really counter to the interest rate trend

[57:50] that you saw elsewhere.

[57:52] So I think we talk about that rating a lot and it's sometimes as hard to grasp but I think

[57:58] when you see something like this, when you actually put it to use, it really demonstrates the

[58:02] value in maintaining that rating for the county.

[58:08] Yeah, so up coming on those, we finally close on those bonds and the last week of July.

[58:13] We are currently working through the issuance of the second round of bonds for the school's

[58:19] major maintenance and the county facilities modernization bonds.

[58:23] I'm about 50 million in total that was approved as part of the fiscal year 2027 budget.

[58:27] And that's tentative schedule day is July 30th for those with the closing expected med August or August 13th or so.

[58:36] Any questions on that topic for you?

[58:40] So the second piece for us here today, and this is just sort of a preview.

[58:46] We will go through the same content this evening.

[58:50] So we do a twice it's a important topic.

[58:53] We've been talking to you about this really through the lens, more so for the legislative

[58:57] lens.

[58:59] It's been probably the last fulfillment for correct me, but I last three years that the General

[59:05] Assembly has considered providing this authority to the full range of localities in the state.

[59:11] It already exists in handful of localities.

[59:14] It had the ability to do the additional 1% local option sales tax dedicated for school

[59:21] construction. There's been a variety of language on this over the over the years.

[59:28] Johnson, we did settle on some language and sort of a rulebook for this. So we are

[59:34] bringing it forward. As we had been, you know, talking about on and off for, like I said

[59:39] the last seven years, for the boards consideration this evening. It's a quick timeline,

[59:46] But that really has to do the fact that just to provide the general assembly and with early voting you have a very tight window to get this, you know, really in motion. So all the board would be

[1:00:01] The president with tonight is not approving the sales tax. This is treated just like a bond referendum that

[1:00:08] we are making the sales on that jarred just just walked you through. So on your consent item, or excuse me,

[1:00:15] a new business this evening, is the resolution to approve the petition, the circuit court clerk, to put a question

[1:00:24] on the ballot for this November for the citizens to decide whether they would like to see this

[1:00:30] local option 1% sales tax that would be used for schools.

[1:00:35] So I'm going to walk you through the rest of the pieces in parts of this, but that's the issue

[1:00:39] and not so. So this is a 1% sales tax we already have this today. So this is not from a mechanical

[1:00:46] perspective, which is important ultimately if it's approved. This isn't creating a new process.

[1:00:50] this is the 1% cell sex exist would go to two, it does not apply to all categories, per state

[1:00:58] codes, or groceries, and other personal care items are exempted from the 1% to that that's

[1:01:05] don't get a little decision about that, that's where it's already drawn up.

[1:01:10] The revenue can only be used for school purposes and within that category, for new construction

[1:01:16] or major renovation major maintenance efforts in the school of vision, and it more

[1:01:22] even tightly prescribed than that on the construction site, it can't be used to finance

[1:01:27] a project that's already in flight. So, the best example there, talking about the high school,

[1:01:32] we couldn't come back if this was a tool that we had available to us, and sell the final portion

[1:01:37] of that high school, it has to be something that has not yet started in terms of a capital project.

[1:01:42] And we have a number of those eligible projects

[1:01:45] we'll talk about here in just a second.

[1:01:47] So for us, we estimate that the annual revenue

[1:01:50] with that one, those carve outs for groceries

[1:01:52] and personal care items is somewhere between $65,

[1:01:56] $70 million on an annual basis.

[1:02:00] This, the way it's drawn up by the General Assembly,

[1:02:02] it does have a built-in sunset provision.

[1:02:06] So 20 years from the date that it's enacted,

[1:02:08] We would have the ability to bond against these dollars.

[1:02:13] You could do as a pay-go basis, so you do have some flexibility there along which you stay

[1:02:17] within those construction and major maintenance parameters, so that lines up with what, again,

[1:02:25] what we just walked through on the bond sales side, if you sold something early on over time,

[1:02:31] these funds could go to pay down those particular projects.

[1:02:35] So that expiration date is July 2046, right?

[1:02:40] Yes.

[1:02:41] Yes.

[1:02:42] So that's the enactment date.

[1:02:44] It's 20 years from that date.

[1:02:46] That's kind of.

[1:02:51] Any questions for our go on to a few more details?

[1:02:54] Second, same process is that when you did the referendum in 22,

[1:02:58] resolution of the board, petition, circuit court clerk,

[1:03:01] gets added to the ballot.

[1:03:02] The question itself is relatively straightforward, but again, if we don't do it in July, then

[1:03:09] you're the way it lines up to have it on a November ballot, you're really looking at it next year, or after that.

[1:03:17] So, what would we do specifically, if this were to make it in the ballot, and we're ultimately approved, again,

[1:03:25] we have a number of projects that are either a risen after the last referendum was approved

[1:03:33] or projects that even going into the referendum that we said these are worthy projects,

[1:03:38] but we may not have all of the dollars lined up in Lothian Middle School be in the signature

[1:03:44] example of that. It was included in the referendum as a partially funded project. This particular

[1:03:50] funding source would fill in that gap. So there's six projects. Doesn't mean that you're

[1:03:54] limited to these, but from from a staff's perspective, we go right to the capital plan that has

[1:04:00] been approved by the school board. By the board supervisors, there's six projects that fit that

[1:04:04] candidate list very nicely. In no particular order, those are the reliever Dale elementary school,

[1:04:11] a reliever old-hundred elementary school, the other wing, build out of until a committal school,

[1:04:18] The Lothymil School Project, which I just mentioned, which had partial credit if you will

[1:04:24] from the 22 referendum, the LC-Bird High School Gym, which is similar to major renovation

[1:04:31] projects done in other high schools in the county, and then some sort of reconfiguration

[1:04:36] on the Thomas Dale campus to better facilitate student flows and whatnot there.

[1:04:42] I know there's several, we've talked to the school division, there's several different

[1:04:45] concepts. But that was previously discussed. I consider today take exact what that

[1:04:50] looked like. But we do believe based on the estimates that we've seen from them

[1:04:53] and have been discussed that that's something we could accommodate. So, Dirk and

[1:04:58] myself have done some of the modeling on this. We believe it on more or less on day one,

[1:05:03] we could go out and sell bonds to finance all six of those projects that otherwise

[1:05:11] really don't have a funding source patch currently. There's sit in the school

[1:05:16] CIP as I mentioned, but they are accordioned out over, you know, a good number

[1:05:21] of years. And again, we have to figure out how we would finance those and then

[1:05:25] then they're stretched out from a construction perspective. We would be able to

[1:05:28] accelerate all those into the current term and pay for them all in year one through

[1:05:34] a financing. You know, we could do that as soon as, you know, this time next year,

[1:05:39] obviously the construction windows would vary, but it does accelerate and and

[1:05:43] solve those those funding questions. The second piece of this which

[1:05:46] really shouldn't be overlooked. This is something that we've been talking to you

[1:05:49] all. The school board's been talking amongst themselves and to you all at

[1:05:53] finance committee in other places. The major maintenance question schools has done a

[1:05:58] good job starting to rebuild their page you go a major maintenance program.

[1:06:02] So if we're talking major maintenance, this is just really sort of that the

[1:06:05] system replacement that the upkeep of all the other buildings got six projects up there

[1:06:09] but you have, you know, there's 60 some campuses that need sort of that care and attention

[1:06:14] on annual basis.

[1:06:15] This would allow us to establish a pays-you-go major maintenance program, a meaningful one

[1:06:22] across the rest of the county, which is something that has been on our collective list

[1:06:28] for a good number of years.

[1:06:29] you saw, the expected financing that we would close on later in the summer.

[1:06:35] That's really, as we've been using debt tools every now and then to sort of catch up on

[1:06:40] that, that would allow us to not have to borrow for that really anymore for the foreseeable

[1:06:46] future and turn that over to a page-you-go program, so I can't stress enough how important

[1:06:52] that is.

[1:06:52] It doesn't have all of the named projects status necessarily, but Mr. Wojtekus, and Teeze

[1:06:59] Vombord, has done a human's work to done a full facility condition assessment of every

[1:07:05] school building, every system, so they know exactly what needs to be done, and when it needs

[1:07:09] to be done, instead of a very, very good handle, and that's the timing lines up pretty well.

[1:07:14] So we again, just to recap, all six of those projects accelerated fully funded day one, and

[1:07:20] establish a major maintenance program that the really, maybe not everything they would want

[1:07:27] to be, but it's a very substantial program. I would put it on par with what we have on the county side.

[1:07:33] In addition, we are sort of proposing a couple of rate offsets. So if approved, this would include

[1:07:40] a two-cent reduction on the real estate rate and a 10-cent reduction, the personal property rate.

[1:07:47] You all have been very aggressive on personal property in particular.

[1:07:50] It's currently down to 325s.

[1:07:52] We'd trim another 10 cents off of that.

[1:07:55] You took a quarter off of that several years back,

[1:07:58] and a two-cent reduction on the real estate side.

[1:07:59] This doesn't preclude something that you would do.

[1:08:02] As you get into the budget process,

[1:08:04] as we see what revenues look like and expenditure requests,

[1:08:07] you still have that path to do something on top of this.

[1:08:11] These are rate offsets that would be tied.

[1:08:13] If approved in November, these are things that we could

[1:08:16] set into motion, and as you set your rates, again, as we look at the tax year 27, and mention that doesn't

[1:08:24] recluse you from doing anything else. Michael, Michael Bowman is always messing with others.

[1:08:32] I'm watching your bow, I'm like, yeah. So the other piece of this is maybe a little bit more nuanced,

[1:08:38] but I think this is really important. So we would, if you kind of have to think of the school

[1:08:42] debt portfolio. Okay, we just talked about that in sort of a bifurcated way. So everything

[1:08:48] that we've sold up until now wouldn't be eligible for any of these new revenue dollars

[1:08:53] if approved. But this is what it looks like if you don't sell anything else other than what

[1:08:57] Mr. Durkin has just made me sign for today. So you see his drops off very precipitously

[1:09:04] over the course of the next 20 years. This is that term that the sales tax would be eligible for.

[1:09:09] So what this sets up is, you really sort of convert your debt program over onto the backs of the sales tax and this existing stream we wouldn't need to add to this.

[1:09:21] So you see a very, very sharp fall off in schools debt service.

[1:09:27] So what that provides you a path for is a couple of things.

[1:09:30] One of which other school initiatives that might be required to teach your pay, whatever the case might be,

[1:09:36] going to create space for that, as well as potentially other rate offsets as we get out into

[1:09:42] the future. So just within five years time from it peaks in 28, we're digesting the high

[1:09:49] schools. We just talked about, but with by 232 you've got almost $12 annual savings by switching

[1:09:57] your debt program off onto the 1%. And the other piece that I should mention is we go through this,

[1:10:04] We estimate that roughly 25 to 30 percent of this would actually be paid for outside of the

[1:10:12] county by those that are coming here for, you know, our growing tourism space, I think

[1:10:17] one of the benefits of that is, you know, we are exporting a lot of that tax burden outside

[1:10:23] of the county.

[1:10:23] We have done several different ways of taking a look at that.

[1:10:29] We have some hard numbers from Mr. Pomer shop, Mr. Durkins built sort of a model down there,

[1:10:34] So we believe that's a fair number.

[1:10:35] So you're switching that revenue source to something

[1:10:39] where it's a much broader base.

[1:10:42] And again, we think 25% to 30% is a very conservative number

[1:10:45] that's paid for by folks that are traveling too

[1:10:48] or through Chesapeake County.

[1:10:50] So that's certainly another perk of sort of changing this stream.

[1:10:54] You have the rate offsets.

[1:10:56] And then again, this path here which shows that further rate offsets

[1:11:00] or other expenditure trade offsets

[1:11:02] you're going to be possible in the very near term.

[1:11:06] So just recap in at a time line.

[1:11:08] It's up for your consideration tonight.

[1:11:10] And new business, we would really

[1:11:13] sort of have the traditional referendum effort

[1:11:16] where we would go out and talk to groups about the effort

[1:11:21] and put as much information as we possibly

[1:11:23] can, partner with the school of vision

[1:11:25] for proved on the ballot for November.

[1:11:28] You see things that you have to come back.

[1:11:30] that's an important point there in the teal column, it comes back to you for a vote on the

[1:11:36] ordinance. So there this is a several step process today really just getting the ball rolling.

[1:11:41] It ultimately relies with the dividers, but it comes back to you if approved for the adoption of

[1:11:47] the ordinance itself and then we are just up here in penciling in forage live next year and then

[1:11:52] the 20 year expiration built in sunset, nothing that you have to do on that for July of

[1:12:00] And Mr. Dirk, and we'll be here that day to answer your questions about that, how that works.

[1:12:05] Other than that, any questions?

[1:12:07] I don't know that's a lot of information, but we will go through it again tonight downstairs

[1:12:12] in the public meeting room.

[1:12:14] But thought we would give just sort of a preview edition this afternoon.

[1:12:21] Dr. Hill.

[1:12:24] So, thank you, one, Matt, for this presentation.

[1:12:28] And does this give us any flexibility in terms of, I know it's not on personal care, it's not on grocery, those types of purchases, but it would be on maybe help fill in the blank there as part of my question.

[1:12:47] And then number two could we exempt something, you know, let's just say prepared food, could we exempt prepared food from this one percent sales tax?

[1:12:57] I appreciate the question, the first part, so the exemptions that we talked about, that's what's in the code as we've received it.

[1:13:05] I don't think there's any reason we couldn't exempt.

[1:13:09] I'd say, you know, a lot of Steve, we would have to look at that.

[1:13:13] Oftentimes these packages are given to us, and that's what you get.

[1:13:17] You don't get any real choices, any buffet choices.

[1:13:21] So we would look at that, but we would certainly let you know on if there are any possibilities

[1:13:28] after the referendum to double back on to what the exact package would look like when

[1:13:34] he adopted an ordinance.

[1:13:37] And I guess my question is really, don't want to put anything in the book, because it may

[1:13:43] be pulled something out.

[1:13:45] So that's really dirty.

[1:13:47] Yeah, you wouldn't.

[1:13:48] I don't think it would have been ability to put stuff in, but in this it's going to be

[1:13:51] general merchandise purchases, you know, electronics, furniture, although those types of

[1:13:56] categories are what's going to apply as it, as it currently sits like Mr. Mixes, we can

[1:14:01] look at that question. As it comes to us, restaurants are in groceries, personal care,

[1:14:08] hygiene items are all exempted out as a, as drawn up.

[1:14:12] I guess my only concern is maybe being able to look at excluding prepared food from restaurants.

[1:14:25] But I know that's something that you all have to look at and get back to us.

[1:14:29] And I'm sure likely you all would put up some information on the website about it,

[1:14:35] so people can take a look at it and see what is exempt and what is not exempt.

[1:14:43] So, you know, thank you for the presentation,

[1:14:45] for information.

[1:14:48] Right, and the reference of the actual question

[1:14:50] would be on the package that the general somebody's given us.

[1:14:55] So, what's in there right now is what people would be voting on.

[1:14:58] And then the question would be, could...

[1:15:00] The Board modified that. If the referendum passes, but we will absolutely have a full, if we prove tonight

[1:15:09] a full website with all the details and what are in those pre-determined categories, the project,

[1:15:14] less, all of those types of things, as we've done before.

[1:15:21] Mr. Carroll,

[1:15:23] who will draft the language of the referendum item and when will that be available?

[1:15:30] or has the general assembly drafted as part of what they did,

[1:15:34] what the actual language of the referendum would be required to have in it?

[1:15:37] They have not, they have not, and we're looking at that question right now.

[1:15:41] So, if we put this, we petitioned the court, I think, when would the court take,

[1:15:46] when would they take action on it to do it?

[1:15:49] Well, we're going to have actually a proposed order down to the court fairly quickly.

[1:15:54] It's part of that order has to have the question to correct, yeah.

[1:16:03] Well, I'd like to have at least some idea what the wording of that is going to be.

[1:16:08] I think that's important.

[1:16:10] There's some sample language we can absolutely have that as part of the presentation.

[1:16:15] That's one of the reasons we wanted to run through it here.

[1:16:18] But we can certainly do that.

[1:16:20] There is some language that's out there already that other locales have used.

[1:16:23] It's, you know, it looks on its face to be perfectly acceptable.

[1:16:27] It's a fairly simple question, much simpler than actually some of your bond

[1:16:32] references happen.

[1:16:33] Yeah, I just think it's important to make sure that if we're going to discuss

[1:16:36] it tonight, that we have some language that we can show the community.

[1:16:41] We'll add that slide for this evening.

[1:16:43] That's no problem whatsoever.

[1:16:46] Yeah.

[1:16:46] So this is already in place and in place is, and I think we're aware of a probably about a

[1:16:51] There are a dozen or so localities that have reached out to us, so that we've talked to that in the same boat as it's just found now in terms of considering it for this November.

[1:17:00] So that a lot of folks are wrestling with that particular component, but we'll have that for you this evening.

[1:17:05] No worries.

[1:17:08] The number of localities, I got a number today of about 25 across the Commonwealth.

[1:17:16] And along with human saccharole in that we need to be able to identify what it is we're voting on.

[1:17:21] And so the wording will be really, really helpful.

[1:17:23] And then from there we'll get clarity as we go.

[1:17:26] What is important in my estimation is let's move the process forward to several steps.

[1:17:33] And until we identify, we wouldn't make sure that we have in our back pocket.

[1:17:37] This is an option as we go.

[1:17:40] So thank you.

[1:17:45] And then just some other items really quick. I'm on this evening's consent agenda is to set public hearings for the August

[1:17:52] Board meeting. I'm related to the fiscal year 2027 budget adopted items with discussed before.

[1:17:58] First one, being the B-po exemption, increasing the relief threshold up to 100,000 from 550 to 750,000.

[1:18:06] And then adding the tax relief for the elderly disabled veterans program that 40 or 15% for incomes up to 80,000 dollars.

[1:18:14] And one other item, not pictured, but also in a good signage, and we're following through

[1:18:20] again with some things they were set in motion in terms of your budget.

[1:18:24] It's a combination item adding a hazardous duty classification for emergency medical technician

[1:18:32] only. That only hits a very, very small part of our base now, but I think we, as we move forward,

[1:18:40] we would like to consider what ENT only position looks like.

[1:18:45] So this is a VRS designation that you all are approved,

[1:18:49] but it does cover an individual that's currently employed

[1:18:53] and give us some downstream flexibility,

[1:18:56] as well as there is approval in there

[1:18:59] to, for staff to pursue a contract,

[1:19:02] that if it's administered a contract with a 401 plan,

[1:19:06] that is kind of that VRS hybrid substitute for some of those job classifications that aren't currently covered

[1:19:14] and you all agree to step in there and fund that benefit for some of our folks.

[1:19:19] So this allows us to move forward with that plan and get some of your contract to help us design.

[1:19:25] That benefit, make sure we've got all that button down.

[1:19:29] That would schedule to go into effect on January 1st and again that was covered as part of your budget.

[1:19:35] and adopt it and approve, but this is sort of that next step.

[1:19:38] The execution phase, if you will, to add that additional retirement plan for those

[1:19:44] job categories.

[1:19:45] At least until it's approved by the rest of your S, so with that, happy to take any questions.

[1:19:51] You might have.

[1:19:54] Any questions?

[1:19:56] Thank you.

[1:19:57] Thank you.

[1:19:57] See you tonight.

[1:20:00] See, consent agenda highlights, Mr. Balls.

[1:20:22] Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and members of the Board, Mr. Harris.

[1:20:25] have a few consent agenda highlights for this evening.

[1:20:31] First up is a construction contract for the Environmental Engineering Operations Center.

[1:20:40] This contract just over 11.4 million for construction of their replacement building.

[1:20:47] This is a project long coming for they have significantly outgrown their existing space.

[1:20:55] It's roughly 30,000 square foot pre-engineered building along with acreage for lay-down yard for heavy equipment, all the various materials and supplies that they use in their daily operations.

[1:21:10] This timeline for this project will be wrapping up around October of 2027.

[1:21:18] And as we mentioned before, this is the first phase of three projects to address warehousing

[1:21:24] and storage needs for many county departments, all with the goal of maximizing utilization

[1:21:31] of our existing space, but also adding space where it's justified, we'll have future phases

[1:21:38] of this, the second piece we expect to bring to you either next month or September.

[1:21:47] L.C. Bird High School, the rehab projects for the Diamond Field Complex.

[1:21:54] This is a contract for a little over $4 million that rehabs all the Diamond Fields at

[1:22:01] L.C. Bird, as well as the athletic complex there.

[1:22:07] This includes installation of news synthetic turf infields like the project at Rockwood,

[1:22:14] as well as irrigated, bermuda grass outfields, including the varsity baseball and softball fields,

[1:22:25] work on the dugouts and bullpins, so it's a comprehensive project and just as a reminder for you,

[1:22:31] this is a not only do high school sports happen here, this is a heavily utilized parks and recreation

[1:22:38] facilities, so there's a lot of use on this, both for, again, for high school sports as well as

[1:22:48] leak play through Parks and Reckon Sports and Visitation.

[1:22:54] Dutch Gap Parkway and Bridge, we are excited to bring this one forward. This is a long-awaited

[1:23:00] project, contract of just over $44.3 million, this is a, approximately one mile roadway and

[1:23:10] a little over 1,200 foot bridge that establishes the new front door for Henrikas, as well

[1:23:17] as creates the access to the future Dutch Gap River's Bend Park area, which was part of the

[1:23:25] bond referendum and we anticipate having funding for that beginning in FY28.

[1:23:33] This project is primarily funded by Dominion Energy based on the general assembly mandate

[1:23:41] for coal ash storage pond mitigation.

[1:23:45] So yeah, this one is expected to begin later this year and it will take approximately three

[1:23:51] years and it will V dot will begin maintaining this road and bridge once it's constructed.

[1:24:04] A couple of transportation department road project authorizations.

[1:24:10] The first is boards requested to approve funding and authorization to proceed with multiple

[1:24:17] projects.

[1:24:18] Some of the highlights include the fall line trail route one from Holiday Lane to Willis Road.

[1:24:24] I-95 and Willis Road interchange improvements, phase one, route one, Shelburn to Swineford,

[1:24:32] pedestrian crossing as well as River Road, Pedestrian Trail from Brickhouse Drive to the

[1:24:39] right of the Etrick-Metoka Library.

[1:24:43] For both of these items, Ms. Walker is here if the board has any detailed questions.

[1:24:48] And then finally, a smart scale, a couple of resolutions attached to those projects.

[1:24:57] In February of this year, you adopted a list of 15 priorities under smart scale.

[1:25:03] At this stage of that review process, none have been screened out.

[1:25:09] But due to a limit of the number of final applications that can be submitted,

[1:25:13] And one project does have to be removed, and staff is recommending rather than removing the

[1:25:20] lowest priority project, which is route 60 from Mount Piscadrive to Colfield Road, corridor

[1:25:27] enhancement.

[1:25:30] Again, staff is recommending, removing the brandar's bridge road from Trialie to Long Creek

[1:25:36] Lane.

[1:25:36] primarily because of in the criteria for the smart scale projects, this one, the, I'm sorry, the Route 60 project will score more competitively and benefit from leveraging funds.

[1:25:55] And then the second item is a resolution of support for GRTC rapid transit north-south bus phases 1B and 1C from downtown transfer center to Stonebridge.

[1:26:11] This is a GRTC project, but projects that are crossing regional boundaries do need resolution

[1:26:20] of support from the impacted jurisdiction.

[1:26:25] So that's primarily to voice that support for this project.

[1:26:29] Again, Miss Walker is here if you have any detail questions on those projects.

[1:26:35] That's all I have tonight if there's any other questions we have to answer those.

[1:26:40] Any questions?

[1:26:41] board? All right, thank you, it's both.

[1:26:45] Item six county administration update, Mr. Harris.

[1:26:51] Mr. Chair, members of the board, just a couple of things to

[1:26:54] bring to your attention. As far as the commissioner comments. First,

[1:26:58] I see he ran out of the room very quickly, but my colleague, Mr. Durkin,

[1:27:05] was just recently recognized by GFOA, which is our

[1:27:09] And the finance world, our professional organization, recognition for outstanding public service.

[1:27:15] So this is just a handful of folks across the country and really the highest honor in terms

[1:27:22] of our business.

[1:27:23] So he was selected amongst about maybe 15 or so of his peers, different finance roles.

[1:27:30] But that's a very, very high award.

[1:27:31] He would never admit that he received it and doesn't want me talking about it.

[1:27:35] but one of the past long queues, he is an absolute gift to this county and deserves every word he gets.

[1:27:43] Oh, can't it, is I am to have a share of go out there, place him into custody and bring him back to you.

[1:27:49] Absolutely.

[1:27:51] You're my possible support.

[1:27:54] Secondly, another good news item, the treasurer's office, his long-naked earned her staff, worked very hard.

[1:28:01] The 15th consecutive year receiving the accreditation amongst her professionalization, the Treasurer Association of Virginia.

[1:28:10] And a lot of these words, you kind of, you know, how do they get these things.

[1:28:15] A lot of criteria here, but once I wanted to point out that was interesting, you have to have a 95% collection rate after 12 months on real estate and a 90% collection rate on personal property.

[1:28:26] Those are very high marks, so it's one thing to send the bills out, and that's a big

[1:28:33] job.

[1:28:34] Those collection rates are really, really something, and to be able to do that for 15 consecutive

[1:28:39] years, certainly heavy kudos to her and her entire staff, Mr. Payne, and that whole team

[1:28:46] for doing that.

[1:28:48] That's a great thing.

[1:28:49] Some awards also in our fleet area, government fleet magazine, and American Public Works

[1:28:55] Association both recognized the county having a top 50 fleet in the country at the recent

[1:29:01] fleet expo.

[1:29:03] So tip of the cap to Dave Coddingham and his whole team, this is their 7th consecutive year

[1:29:09] receiving such a designations, and again, this one has used me, you know, think about

[1:29:13] all the time, but managing a fleet effectively and efficiently is a big part of what we do

[1:29:18] in those guys sort of behind the scenes, but they do a great job, and that's 7 consecutive

[1:29:23] years for fleet.

[1:29:25] There's a question about that.

[1:29:26] Is that done by the county?

[1:29:29] Where is the house that done?

[1:29:30] As far as the fleets are concerned.

[1:29:32] Is that determined by the county by county?

[1:29:34] In terms of who gets the award?

[1:29:37] So these are two standalone organizations.

[1:29:39] A lot of the awards that they, the exact application process.

[1:29:44] I'd have to get you the details.

[1:29:45] But it's determined by those individual bodies in terms of who receives those

[1:29:50] designations.

[1:29:51] So it's an independent accreditation of sorts, if that makes sense.

[1:29:55] Thank you.

[1:29:56] And one more award, award season, Chesapeake.

[1:30:00] The second among U.S. counties of our population size and the most recent digital county survey.

[1:30:08] We have maintained a top 10 ranking for the past 16 years, including 10 consecutive years in this category.

[1:30:16] It recognizes counties who are leading away and technology. The use of technology to improve public services, strength and cybersecurity, and deliver more responsive and transparent information to their community.

[1:30:29] So, again, a big tip of the gap there to clay and the whole ISD team for all the things

[1:30:35] that they do, which leads me into my last item, Mr. Chair.

[1:30:40] And before you go there, I just wanted to say that Mr. Schneider and I were at the National

[1:30:43] Association of Counties Conference where they were given the award.

[1:30:48] And what is really interesting is that each one of the different categories, which is the size

[1:30:52] of counties, they started a who's a tenth place and they worked their way up.

[1:30:57] And so even the folks that are in 10th place,

[1:31:00] I mean, there are 3,000 counties in the United States,

[1:31:03] over 3,000.

[1:31:04] And so if you've been named as, when it comes to technology,

[1:31:07] and you're a 10th in your size, that is huge.

[1:31:12] And so you'll see folks that are 10th or 8th or whatever,

[1:31:15] very excited, with just a field of county in our size up to 500,000

[1:31:20] to be in the last four years, this year we were second.

[1:31:23] The two previous years we were first,

[1:31:25] And then the previous year before that, second, it provides a really an overview of how well

[1:31:31] Scott and technology is, a Scott Farming is, and what a great job they do.

[1:31:36] And I don't think that everyone kind of gets that is that it just is a very difficult honor to be given or to a teen and to be given.

[1:31:48] So, thank you for mentioning that.

[1:31:49] this, sir. As I noted, there's a variety of aspects to that, but the last one that they

[1:31:56] focus on is responsive and transparent information. And Mr. Obama, if you keep that up,

[1:32:04] not related to the awards, but I think really an extension in everyday application of exactly

[1:32:10] what that award recognizes. Today we launched this portion on the county's website, a new

[1:32:17] page if you will that focuses on the data center topic.

[1:32:22] It's available at chessfield.gov, backslash data centers.

[1:32:26] We've also added some buttons and links on the very front page of the county website.

[1:32:31] It's very easy to find, depending on how you want it to access it.

[1:32:36] But this is going to be a living, breathing document, but it is up there today.

[1:32:41] To recent her team are pushing this out to the media folks to let them know this resources is now available.

[1:32:46] And the goal here, again, living, breathing, repository of information on this topic into Mr. Smith and a lot of folks have been working very hard to gather all the documents, all the resources that we have on this build out the full timeline on this topic, as you're aware, it's a matter of great interest for the community, trying to be responsive to that, collected everything that we have, we go through all the questions that come in,

[1:33:16] I'd like to remind me this morning we've answered 165 emails just through the county administrator email address on this and I know others have answered as many or more so we are working our way through all those resources.

[1:33:32] But I think our goal here was instead of just waiting for those to come in try to put this resource out there and direct folks to it to that they can digest it on their own.

[1:33:43] And if there's pieces of this that are missing, you all think that would be helpful to add to the community we're certainly willing to do that and this question's come in we will amend the information and add more and more over time to make this is a comprehensive resources possible, so we got just this are just some still shots, Mr. Bum, so we've got maps to kind of show current sites, potential sites future sites at type of things, there's just some examples.

[1:34:09] So you're going to, one more past that, oh my god.

[1:34:12] Yeah, I think this is just a good representation.

[1:34:14] Each one of those menu items there, the top half of the slide, they all explode out.

[1:34:20] And then there's documents, links, information, all types of things under each one of those

[1:34:26] major headings.

[1:34:27] And we will continue to add to this and grow this over the course of the next month.

[1:34:33] As you will note on your evening agenda, and really it's sort of the whole day, we have tried

[1:34:38] to carve out as much space agenda-wise, so that your evening session is dedicated to some

[1:34:45] of these community topics where there's a lot of conversation and question tonight.

[1:34:50] It's really dedicated to the shoesmith topic, to the landfill topic.

[1:34:54] We're looking to replicate that structure and your August meeting around some of these data

[1:34:59] center topics.

[1:35:00] So today we're going to kind of kick off that 30 days prior to, we're making this resource

[1:35:05] available to folks.

[1:35:06] We also plan to use a lot of our other formats,

[1:35:11] an Ole Miss and Reconals working on a blog series on the topic.

[1:35:15] Perhaps a podcast and other things.

[1:35:17] So over the next 30 days, we'll be rolling out more and more information,

[1:35:20] adding it to the website, adding it to all of our other streams.

[1:35:23] It's a good information out ahead of the August Board meeting

[1:35:26] where we're looking to have more of a formal presentation

[1:35:29] similar to what you'll see tonight.

[1:35:31] I'll be at on a different topic.

[1:35:34] So more to come on this,

[1:35:35] but thought given the sort of the flavor of the day

[1:35:38] on the digital counties award,

[1:35:40] this was a good place to sort of to make this announcement.

[1:35:43] So thanks to everyone internally that worked on this,

[1:35:47] it's been a good project.

[1:35:48] I think it's a nice collection of information,

[1:35:50] hopefully it clears up some of the questions

[1:35:53] that are floating out there.

[1:35:56] Any comments from the board?

[1:35:58] Yeah, Mr. Schneider.

[1:36:00] With the agenda item next month, we will be putting out a web page correct for allowing people to send in questions.

[1:36:11] Should they have questions?

[1:36:12] So they can be answered at the meeting?

[1:36:14] Absolutely.

[1:36:14] We'll have a portal and go in there and ask questions.

[1:36:19] But we want to have to necessarily wait until the item, I mean, to the meeting.

[1:36:23] We reach out to folks every day, but we can also add to this is we see things that are kind of occurring topics.

[1:36:28] Yeah. I just think that it's good for people to be able to hear them in the presentation so that

[1:36:34] everybody hears them as opposed to just one person getting to know.

[1:36:38] So we will, as we're putting that together, we can definitely take that feedback to heart.

[1:36:42] Thank you.

[1:36:43] Any other comments from board members?

[1:36:46] The only thing I'm going to add is that thank you for doing this.

[1:36:49] Let's begin with that.

[1:36:51] The whole idea of this is just to really was at the direction of the board given what occurred

[1:36:56] And you know, from the community with the community, it's been expressing how important it is to be as transparent as we possibly can.

[1:37:02] So folks, this is absolutely 100% as transparent as we possibly can on everything from water usage to power to the non-disclosure agreement in is all out there.

[1:37:14] So everything including links, I believe, to the board meetings where we made the decisions and how we made them that when it was open to the community for public response, all that information is in there.

[1:37:26] And as there's, as Ms. Schneider mentioned, is that if there are other questions that come up along the way, we'll just keep adding to this, we'll make it as robust as we possibly can.

[1:37:37] What I have asked is that not only is that information going to be on there,

[1:37:42] but also direct individuals that you can reach out to for every single individual who are a company that has or is going to have a data center in just for accounting,

[1:37:53] that there will be a contact person that you'll be able to reach out to to ask those kind of questions.

[1:37:59] So if it's a chorizo or if it's Google or whoever, there's going to be an actual contact person, you'll be able to reach out to them.

[1:38:07] There's no other option.

[1:38:08] We'll go there too.

[1:38:09] We'll go there too.

[1:38:10] Right.

[1:38:10] There's no other option.

[1:38:12] Thank you.

[1:38:12] And there never will be clue before.

[1:38:14] Yes.

[1:38:15] Thank you.

[1:38:16] Mr. Carl.

[1:38:18] Mr. Chair.

[1:38:20] You know, there were some questions at the resources.

[1:38:24] event that we held because we high school that people were asking that quite frankly I don't

[1:38:30] think Google answered correctly. There were people that were brought in from the company from

[1:38:35] other parts of the country to answer questions for people that were not familiar with the zoning

[1:38:40] case, they were not familiar with the roads. As an example one question that was asked is well how

[1:38:46] how are the workers going to get to the site and someone from Google said, well they're going

[1:38:51] come up west of the parkway. Well, then they can't because in the zoning case we restricted

[1:38:57] it that they can't go west of the parkway because west of the park we're not going to

[1:39:00] get tied in the Mount Hermann Road until the very end, if they build all of these data centers,

[1:39:10] the construction entrances on Mount Hermann Road to the park and they can't go in any other way

[1:39:15] because the roads won't be tied into the very end.

[1:39:18] And then, feed out will be petitioned to put

[1:39:22] no-through trucks on west of the parkway.

[1:39:25] It's all part of the zoning case.

[1:39:27] And the people would actually go out and read the zoning case.

[1:39:30] They would actually get even more information

[1:39:32] from the zoning case than what's actually on this website.

[1:39:35] And if they actually went back and watched

[1:39:36] the board of supervisors' meetings that were held on this,

[1:39:40] they would get a lot more information.

[1:39:42] And a lot more accurate information.

[1:39:44] But, and so as questions come in, we have to make sure, especially if it's a question for Google,

[1:39:50] that we get the right information out to the community, and it can be done by here.

[1:39:55] I recommend that Google the podcast for other information to answer questions for people.

[1:40:00] Because there's a lot of false information that's being portrayed out to the community,

[1:40:05] because no one's actually reading the actual documents or no one's actually looking back at what the

[1:40:14] strict restrictions and on these companies, when this was all finally voted on in May of

[1:40:22] 2025, which we all voted on this case. So I'm glad that this is up on glad there's a

[1:40:28] lot of information that's going to be available to community, but I could hit with questions

[1:40:31] to the other night from people. After they talked to Google, the answer to that Google

[1:40:36] game was wrong. And so we need to make sure we work with Google to make sure we get the right

[1:40:40] answers to people's questions, and I'm committed to doing that. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[1:40:53] Thank you, Mr. Harris. Madam Clerk. Item seven reports.

[1:40:57] Are there any questions regarding the reports to the Board?

[1:41:02] Seeing no questions. The reports are now approved.

[1:41:05] Item eight, 15 minutes citizen common period on unscheduled matters. This time is designated for citizens

[1:41:11] to talk to the Board of Supervisors. It is not a time for dialogue with board members,

[1:41:15] and it is not a question answer period.

[1:41:18] Those conversations can easily occur

[1:41:20] with individual board members outside of the board meeting.

[1:41:23] As a reminder, the board's procedure state,

[1:41:26] no citizen shall speak on any matter of business

[1:41:28] that is a subject on the board's agenda for that day.

[1:41:31] And each speaker shall have three minutes to address the board.

[1:41:34] We have three speakers.

[1:41:35] If they'll please speak in this order,

[1:41:38] Kyle Woods, Sagar Marshall, and Jason Nap.

[1:41:43] Mr. Woods.

[1:41:49] Welcome.

[1:41:55] There you go.

[1:41:56] Thank you.

[1:41:57] There we go.

[1:41:58] Good afternoon.

[1:41:58] The name is Conwoods.

[1:42:00] I've spoken with some of you.

[1:42:01] I've worked with some of you.

[1:42:04] I've had the unique experience of learning a lot about government.

[1:42:09] Most recently I was working at the executive administrative part of the Attorney General's

[1:42:15] office.

[1:42:16] And so I've learned a lot about government.

[1:42:19] Prior to that, I was special agent with the State Inspector General and prior to that,

[1:42:24] over a decade here in Chesterfield as police officer and so I know how government works to the best that I know.

[1:42:32] I'm here to talk about the data center and not particularly about the impact that it's going to have,

[1:42:39] but about the deal that was set up and where two of the locations are.

[1:42:45] The deal, as it is, right, if we can all say it's $24 per $100 which is fine, the issue

[1:42:54] I have is that this board set future boards to never change that.

[1:43:01] And I mean that because there is a loophole in the EDA that says any board in the future,

[1:43:09] if you change this, we'll come back as a grant, right, so no board can actually limit

[1:43:15] the next board's ability to tax. And so a loophole is what you put in there. That is not

[1:43:23] right. That is not right. Another thing that I don't understand from living here for so long

[1:43:32] is the eastern part of this county was always industrial. We now have two industrial data centers

[1:43:40] going in next to schools.

[1:43:44] I don't know how you justify that,

[1:43:46] I don't know how you tell your citizens,

[1:43:50] this is okay,

[1:43:51] I don't understand the reasoning behind it

[1:43:53] other than a spreadsheet,

[1:43:56] a spreadsheet of numbers,

[1:43:59] outweighed the quality of life for citizens.

[1:44:03] That is what happened.

[1:44:06] I'm requesting a couple of things from the board.

[1:44:09] The first one is

[1:44:15] to direct the county attorney,

[1:44:18] to write an opinion on the grant bank clause,

[1:44:21] and to request an official attorney general's opinion

[1:44:24] under section 2.2-505 on whether it binds future bonds,

[1:44:30] or boards, excuse me.

[1:44:32] I request that you create a commission on data center tax,

[1:44:36] rate studies, like Hanover just did.

[1:44:39] I request that you adopt a policy that no more

[1:44:41] in DAs and no more votes on deals hidden behind shell companies.

[1:44:48] My last request is that under code section 15.2-2511 Subsection B, the board can order the state

[1:44:58] audit.

[1:45:01] Auditor of Public Accounts, and it can look over the EDA's data center land deals, the incentive agreements, and the projections behind them.

[1:45:10] Mr. Woods, your three minutes, sir.

[1:45:13] Those are the things I wish. Those are the things that I would like to see happen. Just for the public's purpose.

[1:45:22] You know, you have to convince me that the commercial tax basis what we need, I agree.

[1:45:26] I think the placement and the way that this was handled in our future boards is at stake.

[1:45:33] Thank you.

[1:45:37] Mr Marshall?

[1:45:53] Members of the board.

[1:45:55] My name is Sega Marshall.

[1:45:57] I'm wife and I own land.

[1:45:59] It's going to be surrounded by the sawmill development.

[1:46:10] upon looking up information on things.

[1:46:18] Some male development with Horton has to provide

[1:46:23] the third lane from the poetic extension parkway

[1:46:33] to a bad-to-dose road I believe.

[1:46:36] or I think it might be even further than that, but so Horton had a meeting with two of Horton's

[1:46:45] representatives and they said, well, they didn't want to buy my land and it is for sale,

[1:46:54] but it's agricultural. And I understand now that, you know, they, they softly,

[1:47:04] I

[1:47:08] said that they could get a right away on my land through intimate domain.

[1:47:21] We found information from the Department of Transportation is borrowed from condemning agricultural

[1:47:30] property for private economic development.

[1:47:35] So, I want to know if they can still do that, do what they say they can do.

[1:47:45] And I know there's an intimate domain, really, it's only people that could do intimate

[1:47:58] And the main in the state is the state, the local, or county, restrictions.

[1:48:06] So I wonder one thing, are you all going to honor the thing from the Department of Transportation

[1:48:15] to board from condemning agricultural property for private economic development?

[1:48:21] That's one of my questions.

[1:48:25] And we both had land in the 70s when I got out of college and both a land that was my wife's great-great-grandfather's.

[1:48:40] And so it's been in the family for years and it's been as far as I know agricultural property since before the mid-1900s.

[1:48:51] maybe even early late 1800s.

[1:48:55] So yeah, I want to, you know,

[1:48:57] I want to see if my land is probably protected.

[1:49:02] Mr. Marshall, you're three minutes a wrap?

[1:49:09] All right, want done

[1:49:15] any questions?

[1:49:20] What's that?

[1:49:20] You stick around for a little bit until we break?

[1:49:22] Yes.

[1:49:23] Thank you.

[1:49:29] Our last speaker is Jason Nap.

[1:49:52] Good afternoon.

[1:49:53] My name is Jason Nap.

[1:49:54] I am a resident of Northumberland County, but I am a retired Navy Commander, a former combat

[1:50:00] aviator. But I'm here speaking to you now as a Democratic candidate for Congress in the

[1:50:05] Virginia's first district. Last week, 600, as you mentioned, of your residents asked basic

[1:50:11] questions at Google's open houses. Questions regarding the build of their proposed data centers.

[1:50:17] How much water is it going to take, how much power will it use, and what happens to deep creek?

[1:50:22] They didn't get answers, and here's what else they didn't get, accountability.

[1:50:27] Not one word said at these open houses is documented, it's not official, and it's not

[1:50:31] part of any proceeding.

[1:50:33] Three Google campuses are planning to use more than 1,500 acres, the largest land used

[1:50:38] decision in this county's modern history.

[1:50:41] But there is one place where what citizens think and say does count.

[1:50:45] Google needs a federal permit from the US core of Army engineers, US core of engineers, because

[1:50:51] projects sky, one of these campuses would require them to fill in wetlands and streams.

[1:50:57] Federal law requires the court to take comments from the public and consider every single

[1:51:03] one of them. That comment period is open right now. And it closes on Monday, July 28th.

[1:51:11] To file comment, it takes just five minutes online. And the most important part is what

[1:51:16] everyone writes becomes part of the federal record. Citizens should ask for a public hearing

[1:51:22] and gesture field and ask the core to evaluate not just projects sky but all three

[1:51:28] sites together. Ask them to require the company to put its water numbers in the writing

[1:51:34] in writing before any permit is granted. We need a better understanding of these data centers.

[1:51:40] State analysts projected data center growth will continue to add cost and expense to every ordinary family's electric bill.

[1:51:49] These costs will continue to increase if they are not born by if they are born by rapiers and not the companies who will profit from these systems.

[1:51:58] The people who make these decisions are rarely, if ever, truly the ones who end up paying for them.

[1:52:03] Because many times it does not appear or happen at public hearings or in a public forum.

[1:52:07] Until Monday, you and all of your neighbors have a rare chance to be on the record about this.

[1:52:13] I hope they take it and I hope the board joins them in this.

[1:52:16] This is happening across the district data center proposals in multiple counties.

[1:52:20] The same lack of public process, the same questions about who pays and that's a problem.

[1:52:25] So later this afternoon, we will be posting step-by-step instructions on our campaign website at jsonnapforcongress.com

[1:52:32] On how to submit a comment.

[1:52:33] a second he can't he can't run for right here you're going to have this you have the

[1:52:38] pause on actually engaging in political this is this part is not political campaigning

[1:52:43] we're providing if that by step instructions for how I only have one website so up how to

[1:52:49] right but you're providing it to your campaign with sites and that that is

[1:52:52] prohibiting the four times we will find another avenue for you I appreciate that yes sir

[1:52:58] I would recommend you Google how to submit a public comment.

[1:53:04] Thank you sir. I appreciate it.

[1:53:06] Yes sir.

[1:53:07] But it again, it only takes five minutes.

[1:53:09] And it matters that people voice their concerns, voice their opinions,

[1:53:12] ensure that their voices are heard,

[1:53:14] not just in settings like this one, but at the federal level as well.

[1:53:18] Thank you very much for allowing me to speak with you.

[1:53:20] I appreciate the time.

[1:53:22] I understand sir.

[1:53:25] I appreciate it, and 1% thanks very much.

[1:53:34] Item 9, closed session A, pursuant to section 2.2-3711A3, code of Virginia 1950 is amended

[1:53:41] to discuss the acquisition by the county of real estate for a public purpose, or the

[1:53:46] disposition of publicly held real property where discussion and an open meeting would

[1:53:51] adversely affect the bargaining position and negotiating strategy of the public body.

[1:53:56] Mr. Chair, we need a motion to go into closed session.

[1:53:59] Can I get a motion please?

[1:54:02] I guess second.

[1:54:03] Before, can we have a little discussion?

[1:54:05] I know a couple people want to talk to somebody first.

[1:54:07] Can we have a five minute break and then go into closed session and it's part of the

[1:54:11] motion?

[1:54:12] Yeah, that'd be fine.

[1:54:14] All right.

[1:54:14] Can we just get that motion?

[1:54:15] It sounds like I do have one.

[1:54:17] Can I get a second?

[1:54:17] Second.

[1:54:18] Hall of favor?

[1:54:19] All right.

[1:54:19] We are in closed session.

[1:54:21] We're not.

[1:54:22] Let's have five minutes.

[1:55:30] Good evening everyone.

[1:55:38] And welcome to the evening session of the July 22nd of Board of Supervisors Meeting.

[1:55:44] I want to let you know that I have verified that all Board members have received copies of the comments posted on the online comment portal for consideration on the matters before us tonight.

[1:55:55] These comments are part of the public record and will be attached to the meeting minutes.

[1:56:01] At this time I'd like to invite Dr. Hilton to give the invocation.

[1:56:06] may we all bow. We thank you for the opportunity to serve our community. Grant this board

[1:56:13] wisdom to make sound decisions. Courage to do what's right and humility to listen with respect

[1:56:20] to one another and to the citizens we represent. Help us set aside personal interests, seek the

[1:56:27] common good, and steward the public's trust with integrity. Bless our first responders, educators,

[1:56:35] public servants, military members, and all who work each day to strengthen our community.

[1:56:43] May our deliberation tonight be thoughtful, respectful, and guided by a spirit of cooperation

[1:56:49] for the benefit of all, amen.

[1:56:54] We would like to call forward interim County Administrator Matt Harris to lead the Pledge of Allegiance.

[1:57:01] pledge allegiance to the flag of the nine states of America and to the Republic for which

[1:57:08] the stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, will liberty and justice for all.

[1:57:22] I am 13 board member reports. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Who are we going to be starting

[1:57:28] with this evening on the board report so if I could ask you? I think I think Mr.

[1:57:35] angle you're asking. Yeah, he's good. So we don't need to work with Mr.

[1:57:39] Engel this evening. Who would be Dex? Mr. Schneider?

[1:57:42] I

[1:57:46] wasn't prepared for that, sorry.

[1:57:50] So I had the pleasure of attending the ribbon cutting

[1:57:55] event for this beautifully restored home in my own neighborhood.

[1:58:02] Through a partnership with

[1:58:03] Habitat Humanity and funding from the community development block grant this house has

[1:58:07] and revitalized in a neighborhood,

[1:58:11] concerned, in to stunt, or, okay,

[1:58:17] affordable housing for a mom and her two kids.

[1:58:21] Mr. Mark will transformation occurred,

[1:58:23] because of so many people volunteering in the community.

[1:58:28] My husband and I and some of our neighbors

[1:58:29] went and volunteered for a whole day.

[1:58:33] I put the flooring in the master bedroom.

[1:58:36] It's just a great community project and I was actually the board president when this situation

[1:58:45] and this house was having the people who were living there were having a difficult time managing

[1:58:53] it on their own and it had fallen into disrepair and so when I first got into office this

[1:58:58] was one of the things that I really wanted to because it had become a blight on the community.

[1:59:02] it was sitting unattended for a while. And so this is such a great full circle moment,

[1:59:10] way to turn a bad thing into a wonderful new home for a young family. So that concludes my report.

[1:59:19] Thank you, Mr. Senator. Dr. Helen.

[1:59:24] My report is mostly just

[1:59:30] to bring thanks to the staff who

[1:59:36] We cut the ribbon on a mobile unit that will offer behavioral health treatment and so I just want to thank the behavioral health folks that made sure that that was possible.

[1:59:50] And so just a moment of appreciation for them in their efforts to make sure that the county is equipped with all the tools necessary to provide critical service.

[2:00:00] This is to those who need it most when they're suffering behavioral health issues for treatment.

[2:00:07] So beyond that, that concludes my board report.

[2:00:10] Thank you, Dr. Haylton, Mr. Carroll.

[2:00:15] Thank you, Mr. Chair. This first event to the concerns of Etrek, as you can see, worked very

[2:00:25] hard and diligently dispenser through the state, a request for historical marker on site of

[2:00:33] what used to be, which is now the Maggie Walker Community Trust. It's called Ethric Landing.

[2:00:42] They used to be the dupe annex there, a dupe elementary school, and there's a lot of history to that.

[2:00:49] And I will say that one of the things that's amazing in them, I'm trying to pull the

[2:00:56] historical mark real bright now because I want to read it.

[2:01:00] Tester County opened a school here for African-American students in January of 1962.

[2:01:06] Well, then seven years after the U.S. Supreme Court's Brown versus the Board decision,

[2:01:11] after several black students supplied to attend all white schools, but were assigned to

[2:01:15] due to the state pupil placement board, which frequently acted to preserve segregation.

[2:01:21] Family sued and federal court with the assistance of the Virginia NAACP.

[2:01:27] McLeod V. Chesterfield led to the county's first enrollment by black students in a previously

[2:01:32] all-white school in November 1962. Chesterfield adopted a freedom of choice plan in 1966

[2:01:40] and fully, he segregated in 1970.

[2:01:43] Do you people came home and annexed to Ethric Elementary

[2:01:47] and was demolished in 2020?

[2:01:49] And that's when the land was converted

[2:01:51] over to the Maggie Walker Land Trust.

[2:01:53] We're now, we have 10 beautiful homes.

[2:01:55] And in that picture, you see a gentleman with a yellow shirt.

[2:02:00] And that gentleman was one of the first African-Americans

[2:02:04] allowed to go to a white school here in Chesterfield County.

[2:02:08] And he gave a tremendous speech, I don't know you.

[2:02:12] Yeah, Jessica was there as well.

[2:02:14] And so that historical is out there for the community to see.

[2:02:19] And I think it's important as I said that day that we never forget history.

[2:02:24] Good, or bad in our community, we never forget history.

[2:02:27] And I commend the Conservatives as a metric for working diligently to help get that historical marker past next.

[2:02:36] I participated in Chesapeille Food Bank event at Virginia State University, organized by the Chesapeille

[2:02:41] Chapter of the Virginia State University Alumni Association.

[2:02:45] Their mission extends beyond supplying food that those need to aim to empower individuals

[2:02:49] and families to address the root causes of food and security.

[2:02:53] This is a comprehensive variety of programs, services, and community resources.

[2:02:56] All made possible by the generous support of businesses and individuals.

[2:03:00] And there was a big turnout.

[2:03:03] This was down at Virginia State University at the multipurpose building.

[2:03:07] Mr. Chair, that concludes my report.

[2:03:09] Thank you, Mr. Carol.

[2:03:14] So first what you're looking at here are the pictures of six new firefighters that we've got through.

[2:03:20] I graduated just recently through the Recruis School number 72.

[2:03:26] I think they started out with a dozen.

[2:03:29] and six-rable to get through, it just kind of is

[2:03:32] use sense of how rigorous the training is.

[2:03:36] It's six months, if I remember correctly,

[2:03:38] they graduated on July 2nd, and I just want to take a moment,

[2:03:42] and really appreciate them because they are the now

[2:03:46] proud members at Chesterfield to fire in the MS family.

[2:03:50] So congratulations to the six.

[2:04:00] Next, what you're looking at there,

[2:04:02] and I have to start here, but I,

[2:04:03] This night or night had the privilege of attending the 2026 NACO Annual Conference, and this

[2:04:09] is a conference where there are through over 3,000 counties and parishes and, of course,

[2:04:15] what it is, parishes, counties and burrows that are throughout the country.

[2:04:21] We had the opportunity to spend some time with them.

[2:04:24] It was an opportunity for us to, just a few days of valuable education, collaboration, networking.

[2:04:29] And it's just what Kenny was proud to be recognized as the best in category for libraries

[2:04:35] for their read to recovery, expanding access to opioid recovery resources.

[2:04:42] So that's this here.

[2:04:44] Best in category is a really big deal with Niko, and to be up against 3,000 parishes

[2:04:51] and boroughs and counties, and to be the best in category for our libraries.

[2:04:56] that really is something that is truly to behold.

[2:05:00] The event throughout the event participates

[2:05:02] engaged in educational summits and caucus meetings,

[2:05:06] where they shared ideas, exchange local insights,

[2:05:08] and explore solutions, and implement in their own counties.

[2:05:12] So I just wanted to come sitting with there

[2:05:16] or standing there with is the president of Niko,

[2:05:19] and just really proud of just real county

[2:05:21] and certainly proud for the libraries

[2:05:23] and what they were able to accomplish.

[2:05:29] Before we go into talking about the web page,

[2:05:33] I want to invite Mr. Harris to come up

[2:05:35] and talk a little bit about what we've been able to create

[2:05:40] over the last month or so with regard to information

[2:05:46] around data centers and what's happening here in Chesterfield.

[2:05:49] I want to appreciate Mr. Harris and staff

[2:05:52] for taking just wonderful direction of the board

[2:05:54] to move forward to ensure that we are as transparent as we possibly can be.

[2:06:00] So, Mr. Harris,

[2:06:05] thank you, Mr. Chair, members of the board.

[2:06:07] As you note, you all have heard, as well as staff, the community interest,

[2:06:13] then the data center topic, and as well, and I'll point out the shoes from the topic that's on your agenda tonight.

[2:06:18] So, it really sort of just two quick notes, as the format's been sort of redone to accommodate that dialogue tonight on the landfill.

[2:06:26] So the same is being designed for your August meeting on the data center topic and leading up

[2:06:32] to that, we released today this page on Cheshville.gov that focuses all the information that

[2:06:42] we have thus far on data center topic.

[2:06:45] It's going to be Michael, if you go to the next version of this.

[2:06:47] So this is, again, just went live today to on Cheshville.gov.

[2:06:51] you can search it, just fill the.gov back to last data centers, you can search it up on various

[2:06:57] engines, there's buttons on the home page, there's lots of ways to access this. This is

[2:07:01] just a screenshot of the main page there, all of those arrows expand and there's drop downs,

[2:07:08] and you can get information on all of these topics. We've tried to style it around a number of

[2:07:13] the recurring questions that we've gotten through email phone call conversations. So this will

[2:07:19] a living breathing document there's things the document that you've already asked us to add today

[2:07:24] that's not part of the original draft so we'll continue to update this on on a daily basis

[2:07:29] and take common on it and there's something that's missing or unclear we'll continue to edit it

[2:07:35] but the idea is to put the information out that's been frequently requested by the community ahead of

[2:07:42] that August session in this room in your evening when we'll bring county staff for it's really

[2:07:47] to kind of go through all the topics that you see here.

[2:07:51] This almost serves as an outline for the August conversation, but didn't want to wait all the way

[2:07:55] until the August board meeting, so the website is out there today, and I'm happy to take

[2:08:00] any questions you might have.

[2:08:02] For members, do you have any questions, Commissioner?

[2:08:05] So Matt, is it possible for us to put the link in here for people to submit questions for next

[2:08:12] month?

[2:08:12] Yes, ma'am, that's a great idea.

[2:08:14] We will open up a portal.

[2:08:15] just thinking that we the best place for it to be so it's all in one spot. Fantastic. Yep. We

[2:08:19] absolutely take care of that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And if it's a question that's already

[2:08:24] on this portal, we just need to make sure that we direct them to where that is. So that they

[2:08:32] can find it. If it's already on there, put a few new questions that are coming up for sure. Yeah, absolutely.

[2:08:35] We're monitoring the questions that come in a daily basis. We don't want to, we have the four-year portal

[2:08:41] and it doesn't take the place to that, but if we want it to be easier for someone,

[2:08:44] some that can access if they have questions or we're in document, they can get that immediately.

[2:08:50] So we've used the FOIA portal to really kind of style a lot of the information that's on here

[2:08:54] and if we continue to get FOIAs on certain pieces, we'll just transfer that over here so that

[2:08:59] subsequent requests can just be handled in matter of moments.

[2:09:03] Right, yep.

[2:09:03] Thank you.

[2:09:04] Any questions from my board?

[2:09:05] Dr. Hilton?

[2:09:08] Anybody else?

[2:09:09] Great.

[2:09:10] Thank you, Mr. Harris.

[2:09:11] Yes, sir.

[2:09:13] And finally, just going back.

[2:09:15] Lastly, the board report webpage includes updates, shared at each meeting, features districts,

[2:09:22] involvement with what we're doing, and recent accomplishments.

[2:09:26] You can subscribe to the district updates.

[2:09:29] List to receive report reports in your mailbox or scan as you need to.

[2:09:37] So that includes my report.

[2:09:40] Thank you, Madam Clerk.

[2:09:41] Item 14, Resolutions and Special Recognitions, A, Recognizing Mrs. Melissa Hoy, commonwealth

[2:09:48] attorney's office for 28 years of service with Ms. Hoy and her guest please join the board

[2:09:53] on the stage.

[2:10:30] Thank you. All right, let's go ahead and read the Resolution Madam Clerk.

[2:10:35] Whereas Mrs. Melissa H. Hoy left her position with the Chesterfield County Commonwealth

[2:10:39] attorney's office having been appointed to the 12th judicial district court bench on June 26,

[2:10:46] 2026 after providing 28 years of dedicated service to the residents of Chesterfield County.

[2:10:52] And whereas Mrs. Hoy demonstrated exceptional dedication throughout her career,

[2:10:57] consistently conducting herself with courtesy, professionalism, and grace.

[2:11:02] And whereas Mrs. Hoy's extensive knowledge and experience have made her not only an

[2:11:07] indispensable resource within the county, but also a valued mentor to staff and colleagues.

[2:11:13] And whereas Mrs. Hoy has dedicated her career to the service and protection of

[2:11:17] Chesterfield County community members. And whereas Mrs. Hoy's strong work ethic and

[2:11:23] high standards have motivated everyone she has worked with to strive for excellence, while

[2:11:28] her compassionate nature and open door approach have earned the respect, trust, and

[2:11:33] admiration of those who work with her.

[2:11:35] And whereas as a result of her competence and dedication, Mrs. Hoy has been a true ambassador

[2:11:40] of the county setting a standard of excellence for all who follow.

[2:11:45] And whereas Mrs. Hoy has always rendered invaluable service and supportive law enforcement

[2:11:50] with a high degree of professionalism and will be sorely missed by all who wish her the best

[2:11:55] as she transitions to her new appointment.

[2:11:58] Now therefore be it resolved that the Chesterfield County Board of Supervisors this 22nd

[2:12:02] of July 2026 publicly recognizes Mrs. Melissa H. Hoy and extends her own behalf of its members

[2:12:09] and the residents of Chesterfield County appreciation for 28 years of exceptional service

[2:12:14] to the county. And be it further resolved that a copy of this resolution be presented

[2:12:19] to Mrs. Hoy and that this resolution be permanently recorded among the papers of the Board

[2:12:24] of Supervisors of Chesterfield County, Virginia.

[2:12:27] Thank you, Madam Clerk. Can I get a motion? Motion to prove again. Second.

[2:12:30] year a second, all in favor of say aye.

[2:12:39] So it's dangerous to hand me this microphone to talk about Melissa.

[2:12:44] I know everyone has pressing business here, so I will try to be brief, but it is really

[2:12:48] difficult to sum up the impact that Melissa's had on our community, on our state, in

[2:12:54] nationwide for prosecutors and the example she has set.

[2:12:59] Melissa's been a lawyer for 34 years.

[2:13:00] She just took the bench to life first in Chesterfield.

[2:13:03] 28 of those years, she served in the Commonwealth Attorney's office here in Chesterfield.

[2:13:09] 15 of those 28 years, she was in a leadership position.

[2:13:13] So that means she served five different Commonwealth attorneys in leadership positions

[2:13:18] and assisted the office through those transitions.

[2:13:21] Five different transitions of administration.

[2:13:25] During that time, she also served as a special assistant to the U.S. Attorney's Office,

[2:13:30] representing Chester in that Chester field in that capacity, and she did a number of,

[2:13:35] she has done a number of other things.

[2:13:37] She's taught just about every agency, in Chester Field County, just about every law enforcement

[2:13:43] or prosecution, training, conference, statewide, and has also presented and represented

[2:13:48] us nationwide throughout her career.

[2:13:51] She has been the President of the Chester Field Bar Association.

[2:13:56] She has, I believe, was the Chesterfield employee of the year in 2010, has won two awards,

[2:14:04] won given out by our statewide organization for lecture of the year, and then also for

[2:14:10] the statewide prosecutor of the year in 2024.

[2:14:13] Throughout that time, that sounds like a lot.

[2:14:16] She has volunteered in the community.

[2:14:17] She's given back her time on boards and committees in the schools, and then as the resolution

[2:14:23] said has been an extreme mentor to not only two decades of prosecutors coming through our office,

[2:14:29] but also law enforcement that work with her and train with her and have worked on cases with her.

[2:14:35] In fact, mentored me as a young prosecutor and continues to do so throughout my career.

[2:14:42] Now, in addition to all of that, if any of you have seen Ms. Hoy in court, she is one of the most

[2:14:48] phenomenal prosecutors and I would argue not just Chesterfield County not just the state of Virginia

[2:14:54] but nationwide. She has handled some of the most heinous cases that have happened.

[2:15:00] And in Chesterfield County, has done it with an incredible work ethic, has done it with an incredible

[2:15:06] devotion to the law, and has represented our community in that capacity. I know those things

[2:15:12] she will take with her to the bench, that work ethic, that devotion and love of the law. And I am

[2:15:18] so proud to present, I'm going to ask Mr. Hilton to present the brick. And it is so appropriate that

[2:15:25] The companion will be placed outside of the old courthouse here in Chesterfield, very appropriate

[2:15:32] along with a number of other legends who have come through our office, and that's what

[2:15:36] Ms. Hoy has been, as she's a legend, still making her impact on the community in a different

[2:15:42] way.

[2:15:43] Our office will greatly miss her, but so glad to know that she's still serving our community and

[2:15:49] the capacity as a general district court judge.

[2:15:51] Thank you.

[2:16:01] Thank

[2:16:04] you for what you've done for our citizens in the courthouse to make sure not only

[2:16:12] prosecution took place, but that when it wasn't appropriate, that it didn't take place.

[2:16:17] So thank you for understanding the law and how it should work and how it should be applied.

[2:16:22] That's why they made you a judge, right?

[2:16:26] And as I tell most of the judges that I've come in contact with in the county, I hope to

[2:16:32] you often, but never in your courtroom.

[2:16:44] So, when they talked about the 2024 award that she won for the statewide award, that

[2:16:51] award is named after another prosecutor that was here in Chester County Warren Vaughn

[2:16:55] shook.

[2:16:56] In one of Melissa's first cases that she prosecuted was a case with Warren Vaughn

[2:17:00] shook.

[2:17:01] It was also a case that I helped investigate.

[2:17:03] And James Hoover was shot on the side of the road on his motorcycle on his way home

[2:17:09] four o'clock in the morning by five kids from Hopewell that decided it was time to get paid.

[2:17:16] And Melissa working with the detective division, working with us, we build a tremendous

[2:17:20] case, we convicted all of them, including Sanchez, who I believe is still in prison.

[2:17:28] Your years of experience, what you've done, if you've never spent a time in the courtroom

[2:17:33] to actually see the case load that a Commonwealth attorney has to handle every day.

[2:17:39] It's amazing and so we're going to miss you on this side of the bench and we're going to

[2:17:44] be happy you're on the other side of the bench.

[2:17:46] You've done an outstanding job for a community and I know you continue to do that so congratulations

[2:17:51] and it will deserve.

[2:17:52] Thank you.

[2:17:55] I'm just going to add that when your reputation proceeds you as two things, one was already

[2:18:02] said one of the sharpest legal minds in the country and legendary. So very, very excited for

[2:18:09] your next step and congratulations and thank you for everything that you continue to do for

[2:18:13] Chesterfield.

[2:18:14] Thank you.

[2:18:20] I just really appreciate this recognition but it doesn't come without the colleagues that I've

[2:18:26] worked with, the law enforcement I've worked with over the years. I'm only as good as the

[2:18:31] around me, the cases that were well-investigated, the law enforcement officers who run

[2:18:38] to and rerun away, you know, I'm always appreciative of all of them and their hard work.

[2:18:44] And my colleagues, you know, having been in our office for 28 years, I have colleagues

[2:18:48] that are older than me and much younger than me, and I learned something new from them

[2:18:55] every day and it kept me energized and learning the law and loving the law and continuing

[2:19:00] to do it with integrity and fairness and compassion.

[2:19:05] So thank you so much for this recognition I appreciate it.

[2:19:43] Adam Kirk?

[2:19:44] I can 15 new business, A. Schu Smith, landfill update, Mr. Schnith.

[2:19:53] Mr. Chair, members of the Board, Mr. Harris, thanks for having us tonight.

[2:19:57] Before we get hand us off to our friends from DEQ, just to want to take a couple of seconds

[2:20:03] to note that I know you all received some questions from constituents regarding some sampling

[2:20:09] reports of some other things we have able to get those straight with the constituent

[2:20:12] asked.

[2:20:13] So, if folks have those sorts of questions, these are highly technical, really long documents,

[2:20:18] we have folks that can go through those and answer them.

[2:20:20] You can always send us an email, give us a call, we're happy to address any of those questions

[2:20:24] that come up.

[2:20:25] I think Michael covered this in his presentation as well, but DQ will also be setting up a

[2:20:30] website, having a point of contact for folks that have questions after the fact.

[2:20:34] So, the team tonight, we have several folks from the Department of Environmental

[2:20:38] not a quality. Mike Rollband is actually their director so really happy to have him here. He's actually

[2:20:45] been in this particular field of environmental engineering for about 35 years became the director

[2:20:51] DQ about four years ago. Lace of the engineer, wetland scientist, all sorts of letters after his

[2:20:56] name. So we're really fortunate to have him in this position. There's not that anyone better in the

[2:21:01] Commonwealth to serve there. A Cornell grad as well if they're warning of details. We have John

[2:21:07] He's the communications director for DEQ, Brad Rick,

[2:21:11] who's technical, title, I think is multi-media

[2:21:14] environmental compliance specialists,

[2:21:17] but they just call them the solid waste guru for DEQ,

[2:21:19] so I know he's the repository for lots of different questions.

[2:21:23] From the federal government, we have Miles Bartos,

[2:21:26] from the EPA, and then from your own team,

[2:21:29] you have myself, Matt Rembold and Scott Spedley.

[2:21:32] We will all be working on this project, moving forward,

[2:21:35] I'll note that, you know, when we're all driving up to our last meeting and talk about this,

[2:21:40] we all noted that we're all, uh, Virginia Tech grads and all licensed engineers.

[2:21:44] So, um, I'll all qualify to deal with this.

[2:21:47] So, um, with that, I will hand it over to, uh, to Director Robin.

[2:21:57] Hi, good evening, everyone.

[2:21:58] Can you hear me?

[2:21:59] Okay.

[2:22:01] Oh, sure, that can see you, better.

[2:22:03] Um, so my, my role ban on the Director DQ and what I'm here tonight is to answer your questions

[2:22:08] Number one, but talk and give you an overall overview of the

[2:22:12] shoesmith landfill, the problems that we've had in the past, the

[2:22:15] problems that we facing right now, and an overview of the state

[2:22:18] budget and how it relates to these problems. So first of all, I

[2:22:22] think everybody here probably knows the location, but this is the

[2:22:25] general location in the Richmond area with an air photo insert

[2:22:28] that shows the landfill itself, the quarry that someone else

[2:22:32] owns just north of it. This is more of a close-up of the landfill,

[2:22:36] And you'll notice that there's a fair number of homes we met this community on the

[2:22:40] on the west side last Thursday, I guess we was, and answer their questions, gave them the same

[2:22:47] presentation. And there's some houses you'll talk about on the right-hand side as well.

[2:22:52] But first, just talk about a timeline of events. And I think most of you probably know the whole

[2:22:57] history, but for a long time, students and brothers was accepting commercial rates, waste,

[2:23:03] basically any type of municipal, commercial, construction demolition,

[2:23:08] industrial waste generated in the greater Richmond area.

[2:23:11] At one time, in 2018, they tried to expand into the quarry,

[2:23:15] and I will say that it's fantastic. I wasn't here at the time,

[2:23:19] but I'm very appreciative that the fact that it was not approved by this county.

[2:23:23] We have a problem in the Bristol landfill, in a quarry, and quarries have a huge

[2:23:27] problem much beyond the problem you have right now, and so you've avoided a

[2:23:31] a much bigger problem. Eventually they contracted with more energy to extract the gas that was being

[2:23:38] developed in this landfill, so the methane it was generated from the composition of the garbage,

[2:23:46] and they're starting to process that and sell it into a natural gas pipeline. They built a

[2:23:51] treatment system to clean up the gas, you know, there's constituents in the gas that can't be used in

[2:23:56] natural gas pipeline so they they've done that and they've expanded the their system.

[2:24:02] Eventually in 2022 the landfill ran out of space so it has a limited volume and they stopped

[2:24:08] accepting more ways because they maxed out and at that point I think we started seeing some problems.

[2:24:14] Number one we had temperature readings has started getting too high and that's an indication

[2:24:18] of an elevated landfill temperature problem that we'll talk about some more as well and what this

[2:24:23] meant, what is it doing, and what we're doing about it in the future.

[2:24:28] Eventually, Chesterfield County, following their permanent requirements, so they have

[2:24:33] a permit from DEQ for their wastewater facility.

[2:24:35] Their wastewater facility is required for operators like this to have a pre-treatment permit

[2:24:40] as well.

[2:24:41] And they notice that they're not having good conditions in their wastewater facility plus

[2:24:47] in the conveyance from this land fill to their facility.

[2:24:50] So their investigation, which was done correctly, and in accordance with their all their

[2:24:54] permit requirements, found that the problem was this landfill.

[2:24:58] There are a couple of problems.

[2:24:59] Number one, they weren't pre-treating the way they're supposed to.

[2:25:02] They were actually circumventing the system and causing damage to your system.

[2:25:07] So you went through court and stopped them from doing this within a administrative order.

[2:25:13] That meant that the landfill leachate had to be trucked to another facility,

[2:25:17] or would keep building up in elevation and volume.

[2:25:21] And what that does is it increases the operating costs significantly.

[2:25:26] And unfortunately this owner, some people call them a bad actor, that's an allegation.

[2:25:33] But they decided to leave this system and go chapter 11 and eventually chapter 7.

[2:25:39] So they declared bankruptcy and federal court.

[2:25:42] And now there's a bankruptcy trustee that's in charge of the general operations under

[2:25:47] the purview, of course, of our DEQ and the county.

[2:25:51] But this has been a big problem.

[2:25:53] So the current situation is that we have to treat this leachate.

[2:26:00] We have to manage it.

[2:26:01] We have to get rid of it.

[2:26:02] We have to control the gas, and we have to complete the closure.

[2:26:06] So why don't we do that?

[2:26:08] The number one reason is that we have elevated

[2:26:10] landfill temperatures.

[2:26:12] And this condition has not occurred a lot around the country,

[2:26:15] But it does occur.

[2:26:17] And what it's doing is it creates all sorts of problems

[2:26:20] with the leachate.

[2:26:21] So it's an anaerobic condition.

[2:26:23] So there's no very little free oxygen,

[2:26:25] because leachate's taking up that set,

[2:26:28] it's a liquid, it's taking up the space

[2:26:29] within the garbage mass in the bottom.

[2:26:32] And it's causing this chemical reaction,

[2:26:34] that's causing all sorts of problems number one odors.

[2:26:37] It's not as bad as it has been in some places,

[2:26:40] but there are odor issues.

[2:26:42] It's changing the composition of the gas,

[2:26:44] making it less able to sell it, because as a methane composition goes down, it won't burn.

[2:26:51] So that's another big problem.

[2:26:53] It was causing problems to your systems, to your conveyance systems, and your treatment system.

[2:26:57] Number one by building up what we call technically, not technically, back goo.

[2:27:01] It's a gross substance that it was clogging up the pipes and the pumps.

[2:27:05] And probably more critically, the chemicals were actually causing the bugs, the bacteria that

[2:27:11] in your suit treatment systems to treat the sewage to die.

[2:27:15] So that's why you had to stop them from doing it otherwise would cost more damage.

[2:27:21] Now, we have leachate. Leachate is normal in the landfills since 1999 when the liner system was required.

[2:27:29] But what leachate does is unless you remove it, it creates this anaerobic condition.

[2:27:34] And the other problem is it's as a temperature rise, it increases the amount of production of leachate,

[2:27:40] which is what's happening here with this elevated temperature.

[2:27:43] So, it's an exponential problem, as the temperature goes up,

[2:27:47] the leachate production goes up and causes more problem and more cost to get rid of it.

[2:27:53] So, these are a couple of examples where we have some seeps on the site.

[2:27:55] Now, the site overall is not this bad.

[2:27:57] These are pictures of the terrible spots,

[2:28:00] but the leachate building up wants to leak out where there's penetrations in the cap.

[2:28:05] And this is a couple examples where you have gas wells where the leachate's seeping out.

[2:28:09] These are a couple of pictures more nighttime types of shots of when we've had some leachate

[2:28:14] releases and they're have been in leachate releases. So far they've been trapped in the

[2:28:19] sediment, in storm American conveyant systems and vacuumed out, but this is a significant risk.

[2:28:27] We also have a temperature of, sorry, a retaining wall problem, or a problem, a concern.

[2:28:33] So this yellow line shows an MSC, mechanically stabilized earth wall, some people call it

[2:28:39] berm, and it enabled this facility to increase the volume of waste that it contains.

[2:28:47] But it's a bit scary, it's next to this elevated temperature landfill area.

[2:28:51] And this is a picture of the wall, it's 50 to 60 feet tall.

[2:28:56] Now there are surveys, there's one report that was just finished in June by the consultants

[2:29:01] working for the trustee that shows it's not moving, so that's good. But it's definitely a concern

[2:29:06] because there's a creek next to it and, of course, on the other side, there's houses and we've

[2:29:12] got to make sure that it continues to stay stable. So we want to make sure that we get this leachate

[2:29:17] elevation down so there's less pressure on the wall. Now this is a cross section from the permit

[2:29:23] drawings of the actual wall in this mechanically stabilized system. So it has a grids of material that

[2:29:29] Basically, hold back, you see this on highways all the time nowadays, with the segmental wall face.

[2:29:35] And this is unique in terms of it was encapsulated by geomembranes, and they used coal ash.

[2:29:44] Some people call it different words, but coal ash is a colloquial term of what is used in that back from material.

[2:29:52] Now, I want to point out that we have no evidence of any movement of the coal ash in the groundwater in the surface water in any testing so far.

[2:30:00] So we believe it's still encapsulated, but it's been a concern that many people have addressed.

[2:30:06] It's not the reason, for example, that the city of Richmond has declined right now, or alleged violations of their pre-treatment system,

[2:30:14] for collecting that material. It's not from coal ash, it's just from the leachate composition itself.

[2:30:19] But we know about this, it's a concern, and we want to continue monitoring the wall.

[2:30:23] And again, to reduce the problem, reduce the elevated temperature by reducing the amount of

[2:30:29] leachate.

[2:30:30] And the leachate itself obviously holds a lot of temperature, you know, it's a thermal measurement.

[2:30:35] So we've got to remove that and cool it off.

[2:30:39] The other concern that everyone has caused to talk about is groundwater monitoring.

[2:30:43] And our permits require a network of groundwater monitoring wells all around the site.

[2:30:48] And these dots, there's a legend here that shows you what's what's happening, and what we're

[2:30:56] finding is that the majority of them have not had any groundwater protection standard exceedences.

[2:31:02] Some of them had, and what we've had done is drilled new wells just downgrading up these existing wells,

[2:31:10] because we have to make sure that it's not migrating off the site that that's one of the basic tenants of this permit.

[2:31:16] We also have two piney-pranch surface water mounting points that have not shown any exceedance

[2:31:22] is at all.

[2:31:24] So just in case, this leachate ever leaked, contaminated the groundwater, it's then expressed

[2:31:29] as a surface flow, we're checking to make sure that that's not in any contaminations.

[2:31:35] Now, the majority of the homes are on public water, which is good.

[2:31:40] We were concerned about some of the existing lots that were not in the subdivision that

[2:31:44] they might not be on public water.

[2:31:46] So we looked at air photo.

[2:31:47] These green markers are what our homes that are shown

[2:31:52] on air photo that are connected to county water.

[2:31:55] There are two red dots that we have no records

[2:31:57] of any county water being extended to those homes.

[2:32:00] So those are concerned initially, but the next slide

[2:32:03] shows you where they are relationship to the landfill.

[2:32:06] And the good news is if you notice those two red dots

[2:32:09] are on the opposite side of the stream from the landfill.

[2:32:13] And in this geologic area, our streams are primarily gaining streams so that they gain ground

[2:32:21] water from the adjacent land of the streams gained water from the adjacent ground water.

[2:32:28] So this shows you a map with the groundwater flows in conceptual level to the different streams

[2:32:33] aren't either side of this landfill. And so because it's a gaining stream, we don't see any evidence

[2:32:39] of any water potentially being contaminated and then potentially contaminating these groundwater

[2:32:44] wells.

[2:32:45] But again, it's something that we have to be cognizant of and continue the monitoring.

[2:32:51] The other concern and obviously the catastrophe level is that what if there was a failure

[2:32:57] and the sleigh shade left the site and went into the surface waters?

[2:33:00] Where does it go?

[2:33:02] Well, it goes into Swift Creek, it goes into the Appematics and it goes into the James River.

[2:33:07] That's the map that shows you where it goes.

[2:33:08] we don't want this to ever happen.

[2:33:13] So how do we pay for it, okay?

[2:33:15] There are financial assurances associated

[2:33:17] with each permit, and we'll talk later

[2:33:19] about what we're doing to change that process.

[2:33:21] But they had two bonds,

[2:33:22] holding 19.3 million dollars, which was good.

[2:33:27] We've been authorizing drawdowns against that bond

[2:33:31] to the trustee for the trustee to pay for the services,

[2:33:35] the people that are operating and maintaining

[2:33:36] this facility and treating the leachate.

[2:33:40] the bonding company was actually very cooperative in terms of they just wrote a check in the end

[2:33:46] to pay for the money. Sometimes bonding companies want to fight, but this company decided not

[2:33:51] to and just simply give us the money which was good. The problem is we're going to run out of money.

[2:33:57] And so the funds are now projected by the trustee and their consultants to be exhausted between

[2:34:02] October and November. And our DQ staff, Brad Rick and particular Rick is here and he's going to be

[2:34:08] He is our project manager assigned to this and he reviews all those invoices.

[2:34:14] Now, in total, the trustee and their consultants have estimated we need $173 million

[2:34:20] for the next 30 years for post-closure containment.

[2:34:24] So basically, to treat this, to fix it, to operate, maintain it, and treat all this leachate.

[2:34:29] We hope within 30 years the leachate problem will be 100% resolved and we can moth ball

[2:34:35] the site and it will be fully capped.

[2:34:37] But that's a lot more money than the 19 million, so what are we going to do about it?

[2:34:42] Okay, so the next section we talk about the state budget amendment and our plan regulatory

[2:34:46] updates to hopefully prevent this from ever occurring again.

[2:34:51] So first of all, we at DEQ have worked with the Secretary of Natural Resources team, the Department

[2:34:56] of Planning and Budget, and the finance staff on different budget alternatives.

[2:35:00] We utilize the trustee and their SDS report that's publicly available.

[2:35:07] Listening to all these people and many meetings, we determined that there was a great interest of everyone involved to have the most cost-effective solution in collaboration with the county and potential future operators.

[2:35:21] Obviously, they can't collect any more trash, but someone could be an operator of this facility long term that is funded by a various sources of revenue.

[2:35:31] So, we had to develop a budget, we gave them multiple alternatives to deal with the immediate

[2:35:36] needs and also provide information how we could get to a better, more refined budget.

[2:35:41] Because that was one of the complaints was that, you know, while people believe the information,

[2:35:47] they want more information and they want more refinement and we only have very light conceptual

[2:35:51] plans right now.

[2:35:54] So, this, I won't bore you the details of how we got to this place, obviously we used the

[2:35:59] C.S. budget as a starting point, but the powers that be in the general assembly that votes

[2:36:05] and approves the budget determine that we could have $10.6 million for this first fiscal

[2:36:10] year FY27, which started July 1st. This is kind of a general breakdown. I think the key here

[2:36:20] is we want to get the cover completed the cap because if we get the final landfill cover in place

[2:36:27] When it rains, and it does rain, even though it's a drought, it's been raining a lot lately here.

[2:36:32] That water infiltrates directly into the garbage mass.

[2:36:35] We need to reduce that amount of water that's coming in.

[2:36:39] We've got to upgrade the collection system.

[2:36:40] We've got to, the liquids manage it.

[2:36:42] We have to truck this waste to other treatment facilities that are allowed to have it.

[2:36:48] We have to continue to test the lead chain.

[2:36:50] I'll talk a little bit more later, but that's to refine the design of how we're going to actually

[2:36:54] design, build, and operate and maintain a leachage treatment system.

[2:36:59] So we have some money left over from the bonds, but not enough.

[2:37:03] And that's the 10.6.

[2:37:04] That gets us basically to the end of this fiscal year, I just started.

[2:37:09] The goal is during this process to develop a collaborative approach between the county,

[2:37:14] the trustee, and DQ, and potential operators, even, that could reduce long-term costs.

[2:37:21] Part of that is we're working and I say, we SCS, the contractor for the trustee has been conducting additional leachay testing in conjunction with the requirements of Chesterfield County.

[2:37:33] To number one, see if that we could split the flow and some of the landfill leachay is not as bad and the non-elevator temperature areas as the elevated temperature areas.

[2:37:43] that potentially could be split off and piped into the

[2:37:47] Chessfield system without pre-treatment, and then the other

[2:37:51] waste leech-a could be characterized and hopefully design

[2:37:55] developed a better, you can everyone see that?

[2:37:58] That was okay.

[2:37:59] It could develop a better system in terms of how to pre-treat that.

[2:38:04] So we've got the 10.6 million, we've also got a couple

[2:38:07] other sources of funds that are in the budget right now.

[2:38:11] There's $3 million that the budget now allows me to spend through our emergency fund, our

[2:38:17] birth fund.

[2:38:18] Normal and limited to $100,000.

[2:38:21] This grants me the authority to go ahead and spend up to $3 million after the 10.6 is exhausted.

[2:38:27] We also potentially could collect about another $1.6 million in monitoring costs.

[2:38:36] There's another pot of money in the budget that allows us subject to writing a report and getting

[2:38:42] approval by the Secretary of Natural Resources Secretary of Finance and the Department of

[2:38:45] Planning and Budget and the Governor to approve that use.

[2:38:48] And I propose, all right, plan to propose that as some of the uses of this monitoring

[2:38:53] money to go towards all the margins required in the shooting at the landfill.

[2:38:58] I can't guarantee it because I need their approval, but that's our plan.

[2:39:01] I'll point out that there are some monitoring that's not in the original budget, and that's what we plan also to be funding with this money.

[2:39:11] I won't read, obviously, the budget amendments, but this is the budget amendment that gives us a $10.6 million and the $3 million, it's published online.

[2:39:20] This gives us the other mechanisms and tells me what I have to go through to spend this money.

[2:39:26] This is the source of the additional monitoring, so I would be writing a report and getting permission

[2:39:31] to spend it out of this section.

[2:39:34] The good news is K2.

[2:39:36] It doesn't revert the general fund if we don't spend it.

[2:39:39] Unfortunately, I had the feeling we'll spend it all, plus more, but it's not getting re-appropriated

[2:39:44] to someone else.

[2:39:46] And then I have to report every October 1st to the governor and the chair's the House

[2:39:50] Properations Center Finance on what we're doing with this money.

[2:39:55] So, we have a direction to go for this first fiscal year.

[2:39:59] We have a direction to get money for the second fiscal year.

[2:40:01] The idea is to address that with these departments and secretaries and get permission to put the funding in the caboose bill for next fiscal year.

[2:40:11] That's what our plan is.

[2:40:13] At the same time, I want to make sure this never happens again.

[2:40:17] And probably some of you know that we have not been able to change the regulations and the fees since I've been there.

[2:40:24] It's a democracy and we have to have votes.

[2:40:28] But we're going to try again and we've now gotten permission to start a guidance document.

[2:40:32] It's in public comment right now.

[2:40:35] It was actually published on July 13, so it's in public comment now.

[2:40:39] And that's number one to take the lessons that we've learned in the Bristol problem.

[2:40:45] That expert panel that we've reformed and wrote report is being used, for example,

[2:40:49] in Los Angeles for their problem with the same problem.

[2:40:52] So people have taken this panel that we created.

[2:40:55] We had the experts from all around the country and Canada convened in Bristol to figure out what to do.

[2:41:00] And it's working.

[2:41:01] We went from over 2,000 complaints of other complaints a month to anywhere between 1 and 10.

[2:41:08] And we've seen incredible improvements.

[2:41:11] It's still got a long way to go, but it's everything that the experts recommended is being implemented as working.

[2:41:17] So we feel good about that.

[2:41:19] What we learned from a lot of these experts is that the information that could predict this problem

[2:41:25] two to three years in advance exists, it's just not, you have to look at it in a different format.

[2:41:31] So what this guidance document does is require the proper information to be collected and presented in a format

[2:41:38] so that anybody can see, including the public, because we're going to make it all publicly available,

[2:41:43] You can see that there is a problem coming so we can tape steps early on when it's less expensive to stop this problem from going because it's an exponential growth problem.

[2:41:55] The next thing is financial assurances obviously we don't have enough money.

[2:42:01] Now Bristol was a municipal amphil so it's a different situation and the municipality said they don't have any money and they go bankrupt.

[2:42:08] They threatened to go bankrupt.

[2:42:09] they didn't. This was a private company we thought based on the waste management problem several

[2:42:15] years ago in Virginia where they had the same problem but they spent lots and lots of money.

[2:42:21] They learned a lot because they had spent over 500 million on a problem in Ohio and they fixed

[2:42:26] a problem but here this owner group decided to go chapter 7 and not spend the money to fix it.

[2:42:33] That's outside of the scope of DEQ.

[2:42:36] It's in the Attorney General's hand and so that's something I can't comment on.

[2:42:42] But what we want to do is make sure that there's a financial assurance,

[2:42:45] a bond or insurance that we can call upon to prevent this from ever occurring again.

[2:42:50] So the budget amendment here allows us to create new regulation that requires financial assurance

[2:42:57] for basically landfill capital,

[2:42:59] large-band gas collection, other activities, you know, so we, we want to, the leachy management

[2:43:05] is the pre-treatment systems. So we're going to be able to require bonds if this is approved

[2:43:11] to prevent this in the future from being foisted upon taxpayers like us. We put out a Nora for this

[2:43:20] as well because at the time when we, we had no get approved in the budget that we didn't know

[2:43:25] with a budget until like the 29th of June, but there's some things that are in there we like to go beyond

[2:43:30] So we have a balanced suspendance approach,

[2:43:33] and we have a Nora that's already going on,

[2:43:35] and they're published on June 13th, July 13th,

[2:43:40] rather, so that will be another process

[2:43:42] that we can amend these regulations,

[2:43:45] potentially increase fees,

[2:43:46] definitely obviously do all the financial assurances,

[2:43:49] potentially increase setbacks

[2:43:51] that was proposed before and got rejected.

[2:43:54] But all these types of things,

[2:43:56] we believe needs to be done

[2:44:00] So with that, I'll stop and answer any questions.

[2:44:04] And I know two of you had lots of questions last time.

[2:44:09] We're going to start for it.

[2:44:14] I have a question, you need to go back a little bit on your slides.

[2:44:18] I want to go back to the one where it said,

[2:44:19] I think what was happening for 2026 and 2027?

[2:44:28] Go back one more.

[2:44:30] That's it.

[2:44:30] So it was 2027, 28.

[2:44:32] I want to call your attention to fiscal year 28

[2:44:35] with regard to number three.

[2:44:37] develop a collaborative approach to design operation which is Phil County. I want to stop there for a moment.

[2:44:44] When you say develop a collaborative approach to design operation which is Phil County, what do you mean?

[2:44:50] So last week we had a mediation session with the bankruptcy mediator and the trustee

[2:44:54] and Chessville County Attorney General's office in the Governor's office and what the

[2:44:59] mediation is.

[2:45:00] Now, public agreed to do is to create a committee of three entities. So, the trustee has one representative,

[2:45:06] Jessica County has a representative and DQ has a representative. And they're going to work together to focus on number one,

[2:45:14] can we split this system or not in terms of two different treatment trains to split the leachate. And the reason is,

[2:45:20] instead of trucking is very expensive. If we can let it flow into your sewer system and not have a pre-triven system, that's least costly,

[2:45:27] If we can let it flow through a pre-treatment system with the messier stuff and treat it properly,

[2:45:34] again, that's still cheaper than trucking it to another treatment system.

[2:45:38] So the first focus is getting that done, okay?

[2:45:41] In terms of we don't get consensus on a concept, get consensus on how we're going to actually go to final design and construction and operations and maintenance.

[2:45:50] So, that's the first assignment really of that group.

[2:45:54] The other is obviously to do whatever we can to help the trustee and their consultant get the cap on as quick as possible to prevent that infiltration.

[2:46:03] So, it's basically two simultaneous approaches, but that collaboration is what was agreed upon in this mediation just the other week.

[2:46:11] At least track we might be two weeks ago now, but that's what we're playing to do and that's I think a very positive change in direction

[2:46:20] I won't say change, but we have to go through a process unfortunately through the bankruptcy system and it's gone very well

[2:46:27] But it is a process and it takes time

[2:46:29] So it's really clear because on the slide what you have here is something called a budget break down

[2:46:35] And so I wouldn't be clear on when you're talking about a collaborative approach to design

[2:46:40] operation, which is for a county, I wouldn't make sure that I understand and I want

[2:46:45] you to collaborate with me that this is not going to fall when it comes to a budget perspective.

[2:46:53] This is not going to fall on the taxpayers of just a county alone.

[2:46:57] When I say a loan, recognizing this is going to be a state, this is going to be appropriated

[2:47:02] on the state level. Am I accurate on that? Well, what I'm talking about is the technical side

[2:47:08] of how to fix the problem on the budget. I don't have the authority to make any

[2:47:13] commitments on budget issues. I know what we have proposed to do. And we're in consensus

[2:47:19] with that, but how the elected officials decide how to appropriate money is not. I have no influence.

[2:47:27] Okay, that's what we need to make sure we're clear on that. And when you're saying elected

[2:47:29] officials, of course, you're talking about on the state level, correct, correct, okay, thank you.

[2:47:40] Let's do.

[2:47:40] Let's go first.

[2:47:41] Dr. Helen.

[2:47:42] Then Mr. Carl.

[2:47:44] So, question, I know Richmond is not taking a lead today right now or the landfill there is not taking it.

[2:47:52] So, it's being taken somewhere else.

[2:47:54] Could you elaborate where is being taken and if there's any increase calls there in the house?

[2:48:00] There are increased costs and the trustee is working on different alternatives.

[2:48:05] We've talked to another location as well to see if they could start taking this soon.

[2:48:09] So there's multiple locations being discussed with and potentially being used.

[2:48:15] And of course, the city has only alleged violations.

[2:48:19] And I saw some correspondence from the city I think it was yesterday that it's not finalized.

[2:48:25] So they've met with the facility that's accepting the leachate and talked to them about how

[2:48:30] they could modify their permit to make it potentially acceptable.

[2:48:34] So there's multiple alternatives being assessed by the trustee and their agents.

[2:48:39] And then could you elaborate maybe on the steps that would take in order for our Chesapeake County

[2:48:44] to take on the leachate after it's been cleaned with those steps?

[2:48:51] What do you have to?

[2:48:52] And I may lean to Chesapeake if you might have to help me.

[2:48:55] But Chesapeake County has published criteria for what you'll accept for pre-treatment.

[2:49:01] I think there's a hundred and something to see that have pre-treatment facilities that

[2:49:05] then treat it and send it to your wastewater for further treatment.

[2:49:09] So you have a very robust system.

[2:49:13] I mean, it's published on-line and everyone knows what the requirements are.

[2:49:17] So we just have to get this facility designed to match the requirements that Chesapeake

[2:49:22] has to accept it. And then they have to pay for it. It's not free. You can't just

[2:49:27] worry for free. Right. Maybe we have Jesse elaborate on what that process looks like.

[2:49:36] Yeah, I think Mike actually did a good job of explaining what that is. I think it's also,

[2:49:41] like he said, we have pre-traped permits with dozens of facilities of all sorts of industry.

[2:49:48] So it's pretty regular that we accept industrial waste for those as long as it's pre-treated.

[2:49:53] It's also important to remember that we used to accept

[2:49:56] Leachate, again, pre-treated from the landfill.

[2:49:59] It was only after they essentially stopped

[2:50:02] treating it and discharged it directly to our system

[2:50:05] that we stopped them, because essentially what happens

[2:50:07] is that it poisons our wastewater treatment plant,

[2:50:10] which is designed for domestic sewage and not industrial sewage.

[2:50:14] So what we need any industry to do is to treat

[2:50:16] their effluent to a point where it's similar to what

[2:50:19] would come out of your household waste

[2:50:21] before we could accept it.

[2:50:23] You bring up a good point, it wasn't being treated

[2:50:26] and that's how it was discovered by Chesapeake County.

[2:50:30] And so could you elaborate maybe on that too,

[2:50:33] from the perspective of Chesapeake County?

[2:50:34] Sure, yeah, I mean in the, I'll try to simplify it,

[2:50:39] but what we saw were really high in ammonia levels

[2:50:41] at our Proctor's Creek wastewater treatment plant

[2:50:43] and we chased sources back until we discovered

[2:50:49] through an investigation that the leechate was untreated coming out of the shoes with

[2:50:54] landfill and really, you know, and I think Mike showed some of the pictures that black

[2:50:59] goo, that black substance that was coming out of it was poisoning our plant for lack of a

[2:51:04] better term. And then so after that happened in Tesla County reported it to earlier reports

[2:51:10] another administration that the cues and administration at that time. Yeah, we revoked their

[2:51:17] We went through some legal processes.

[2:51:19] We certainly keep DQ in the loop the whole time.

[2:51:22] I mean, all of these enforcement efforts

[2:51:24] at the landfill are a partnership.

[2:51:27] We certainly are willing to work to hand the lead chain,

[2:51:31] so that it doesn't have to be trucked at all off,

[2:51:33] but then DQ has their responsibilities as well.

[2:51:36] So we're working in concert to try to make this thing

[2:51:39] the best it could be at this point.

[2:51:42] Let me add one or other, a couple of things.

[2:51:44] One is that while we want

[2:51:47] split the flow, it may be that the one part is not clean enough without

[2:51:52] pretreatment, but potentially it would need a different pretreatment process

[2:51:56] less costly and quicker to take care of than the really bad area.

[2:52:02] So we know the elevated temperature, landfill section creates a much

[2:52:05] worse leachate than the non elevated temperature.

[2:52:08] So that's another reason if we can split the flow, maybe we can't send it

[2:52:12] without being pretreated, but at least we can reduce the cost of the

[2:52:16] the system make two trains that are more efficiently designed for the type of chemicals that

[2:52:22] are coming out. And the city Richmond, they did the same thing that Chesterville did. They

[2:52:28] had a problem. They're one of their wastewater facilities. It wasn't operating correctly. They

[2:52:32] chased the problem to a plant that was taken this by truck and treating it, but they weren't

[2:52:37] treating it sufficiently. And it also didn't meet their permit conditions. So, you know, the city

[2:52:44] It's been learned from Kesseryll as well

[2:52:46] that we have a problem, let's go find it,

[2:52:49] and they found the source.

[2:52:50] And then is it a 10 of DQ to,

[2:52:55] I guess, for a simpler description,

[2:52:59] sticks of straws back into the landfill

[2:53:00] and take out the gas again,

[2:53:04] or when they cap it,

[2:53:06] do you have to still put the straws in there

[2:53:08] to suck the gas out to give you elaborate

[2:53:11] on that process?

[2:53:12] So we have to definitely get the graph, suck the graph, gas out.

[2:53:17] And it's being done right now and it's being treated.

[2:53:20] What we're concerned about is what happened at Bristol,

[2:53:22] where the gas quality got to a point where it wouldn't combust, it wouldn't burn.

[2:53:26] We actually have to add propane.

[2:53:28] There they weren't selling in the gas pipeline.

[2:53:30] They were burning it in converted caterpillar engines that ran on this gas,

[2:53:36] that made electricity and sold it to the grid.

[2:53:39] It will burn.

[2:53:41] So they stopped doing that.

[2:53:42] we want to make sure that we could get, hopefully get the leachate out and get the temperature down

[2:53:46] so that we have much higher methane production, which also produces revenue to this facility as well.

[2:53:52] I mean, potentially could be up to a couple of million dollars a year, which is real money.

[2:53:56] It's not going to solve this problem, but it's real money.

[2:53:58] But we want to make sure that we don't lose that income stream, because again, it's a vicious cycle.

[2:54:06] So, let me kind of reset a question for you.

[2:54:09] So I guess it could be possibly one scenario where people could smell something, but because

[2:54:17] we have the straws in there taking out the gas, nobody smells anything.

[2:54:22] Correct.

[2:54:23] And they are taking the gas out right now.

[2:54:25] We do have leaks.

[2:54:26] But that's helpful.

[2:54:28] The also, the smell issue is related to the less methane, more other gases becomes more

[2:54:35] and so that's, you know, it's obviously, it smells like a landfill when you go there, but it's not,

[2:54:40] it's not nearly as horrible as some of the landfills have been like Bristol.

[2:54:45] So I did, I goal this thing, if we can get the lead shadow because the lead shade has a lot of the heat in it.

[2:54:51] Okay, so if we can, the more likely we can get out that we can cool it off, it takes years to cool these mass waste off,

[2:54:58] we can then change the chemical reaction to create more methane, which also produces more income and less order.

[2:55:05] Okay.

[2:55:11] Isn't it true there are different types of leachate treatment systems?

[2:55:16] Yes, there are.

[2:55:17] And can you elaborate a little bit of what those different types of treatment systems are and how they work?

[2:55:21] Well, I'm not an expert in the leachate system design, but there are multiple methods.

[2:55:25] And that's what we're going to have technical experts working on the actual design.

[2:55:29] But some of them are as simple as sand filters, for example, or floculants, where you add chemicals to take particles out.

[2:55:36] There are smaller particles.

[2:55:37] There's a reverse osmosis, which has been discussed for this, which could be the best system in terms of efficiency,

[2:55:46] except if this coat black goo is too much, is too present without pre-treatment of that.

[2:55:51] It could gum up the reverse osmosis membranes.

[2:55:53] So, these companies are going to, you know, they're going to look at all these different methods.

[2:55:59] And when we come up with a concept plan, we may end up having multiple methods as potential concepts,

[2:56:06] subject to people then proposing what they think it could do.

[2:56:09] And that's why we also think, and again, as think is in the middle of testing right now, the leachate streams,

[2:56:15] that it might be two different types of pretreatment systems.

[2:56:19] One more expense of the other for the two different levels of leachate.

[2:56:24] Thank you.

[2:56:29] Some of these questions you might have heard already, but it's a different audience.

[2:56:37] So Cheshfield did the zoning for the dump, I believe, in 76ish, 72, 76, and then

[2:56:46] the county, I believe, expanded the ability in 94s, that sound right, Jesse.

[2:56:57] I think it's been here the entire time, so he actually has recorded some memory.

[2:57:05] Not in the 70s.

[2:57:08] But again, in 2018 and the county did not let them expand again and told them that they were going to have to shut down when they came to the capacity from what they were permitted in 94.

[2:57:22] Yeah, we did not either request to use the quarry as a as a landfill.

[2:57:26] And we had a co-ger's addiction over the pre-treatment, what was coming out of the pre-treatment

[2:57:37] facility to our water treatment plant.

[2:57:45] But only into the point that if we found a violation, we could stop them from sending it

[2:57:52] to us not any more than that authorities are correct.

[2:57:56] Yeah, so we do regulate the pre-treatment and I guess we're a wastewater treatment plant

[2:58:02] But yeah, if they violate that, you know, typically we would give them a notice of violation

[2:58:06] Allow them to erect that, but if it gets as a griege as

[2:58:10] It is frequent is what we saw here, then we just revoked their permit, which is exactly what happened here. Right, the enforcement is actually to stop the flow

[2:58:17] Because the flow then we can change our that's our part of the regulate and it we had

[2:58:25] We also did have some purview.

[2:58:27] There was a lot of complaints about dirt and trash on Route 10 over the years,

[2:58:32] and we did have purview, and we did require them to bring sweeper trucks out

[2:58:37] and clean route 10, often to the point where I had to have Route 10 restriped

[2:58:42] because the sweeper trucks would sweep the things.

[2:58:45] Yes, so there's no ink additions and things that apply.

[2:58:46] But that was offsite stuff that we had enforcement over.

[2:58:51] On site, who had the, all the permitting responsibilities and all of the notice of violations

[2:59:03] or any other type of authority by state law, who's the only, I mean, I think the best way

[2:59:12] to look at it is sort of the circle of the landfill, everything, you know, where the pipe comes

[2:59:17] out and everything outside of it, generally is going to be county jurisdiction, other than,

[2:59:20] course the lead is right so the inside of that generally speaking is going to be the state.

[2:59:25] I mean that's fair.

[2:59:27] I just want to make sure because we did the county did in fact try to co enforce and we were told through

[2:59:37] an attorney general's letter that the state law prohibited us from that right and that we could

[2:59:45] not do that is that correct.

[2:59:46] Yes or there was a time you know just like a lot of our state counterparts where I think

[2:59:50] They admittedly at the time they said they were understaffed and they could only get the

[2:59:53] certain spots.

[2:59:54] We said, well, we're located across the street, essentially, for the land fill if we can

[2:59:58] if you allow us to help out.

[3:00:00] You know, we certainly would have, you know, at that time the AG's opinion was that there were specific reasons, operationally and legally, they declined that request.

[3:00:10] But they actually stated that state law prohibits that was their response.

[3:00:17] You're totally correct and we've given you a copy of that letter.

[3:00:21] What could happen is during this regulatory process, you know, you can change laws.

[3:00:27] I mean, I've changed when before I was a DQ.

[3:00:30] When you can go and get a painter and there's elected officials,

[3:00:33] it's not that hard a deal to a process to do.

[3:00:37] And so it's something to really think about, because

[3:00:39] DQ has limited resources.

[3:00:42] And we had an actor, though, that was a bad actor.

[3:00:46] I mean, most people, when you give them a violation, they actually fix it.

[3:00:49] Okay. So this is a tough situation. They didn't respond.

[3:00:54] I'm not trying to say that DQ caused the problem because clearly the people that cause the problem were the owners of the dump and they clearly

[3:01:04] I know I said it before and I'm probably getting trouble for it, but they clearly in my opinion committed some acts that I believe they should be prosecuted for.

[3:01:15] I'll try to be careful how I say it so I don't get sued.

[3:01:18] But, and we fully support that prosecution of anything that is found to be a violation of the law.

[3:01:29] I'm thinking everybody on this board will agree with that, right?

[3:01:32] I just wanted to make sure that people understand, because there's a lot of people that think that the county was taking money at either this board level or other boards prior to us

[3:01:44] or county administrators or somebody else,

[3:01:48] we're taking money from shoesmith to turn a blind eye

[3:01:51] to what was going on there.

[3:01:53] And we had no authority,

[3:01:54] so there'd be no reason in the world

[3:01:56] for them to pay off somebody that had no authority over them.

[3:01:59] Would you agree with that?

[3:02:01] If a bank also had, what are the other points

[3:02:03] that could use it?

[3:02:04] I think people, you know, because it's a landfill,

[3:02:06] they assume it's gonna be used to the own,

[3:02:08] they assume that the county owns it.

[3:02:10] We've never owned that landfill.

[3:02:12] We, we, we do not go into that landfill.

[3:02:14] It's always been a privately owned and operated landfills.

[3:02:17] And we did not have the authority over it.

[3:02:22] So, thank you.

[3:02:23] And I'm not trying to make this confrontation because I do know that we have to, the goal

[3:02:30] is the same for our citizens, for this board, for DQ, for the state I believe, to solve

[3:02:36] the problem.

[3:02:37] So I know I'm going into some details that, honestly, I'm not trying to be adversarial to you.

[3:02:44] I'm just trying to make clearifications.

[3:02:48] I don't feel any adversarials.

[3:02:51] But what I think the key is, you know, right now we have a regulatory structure that limits

[3:02:55] what we have authority to do just like it limits you.

[3:02:59] And we don't have financial surges that can cover these costs.

[3:03:03] And the whole system was created.

[3:03:04] It's an infinite consequence of having liners in 1989 to put in groundwork and damnation that led to this problem the regs have never adjusted so we need more powerful regulations to provide a financial assurance so that people aren't incentivized like this situation to run.

[3:03:22] I agree with you fully and I do think that I believe every member of this board has advocated with our what we call our state delegation represent in Chesterfield County.

[3:03:33] and we've seen many of them that have worked towards changing what the state law says

[3:03:46] to make sure that this doesn't happen again in the future, but that's not going to

[3:03:50] solve what's already happening and we have to make sure that it's cleaned up and

[3:03:54] taking care of properly. But I do appreciate the help from the state

[3:03:58] delegation in the first 10.6 million to get that through this budget process because it was extremely late in the budget process when they found that they needed to do that.

[3:04:11] So I appreciate efforts and efforts were made honestly on both sides of the aisle at the state level and I want to think all of the senators and delegates that have worked diligently to help support our citizens in Chesterfield.

[3:04:25] And I can only hope that they will continue to bring their allies across the rest of the

[3:04:31] state to continue to support the effort that needs to be fulfilled here so that we can

[3:04:38] make sure we don't have any issues.

[3:04:40] We did here.

[3:04:41] We got a short term plan, which is basically this fiscal year.

[3:04:45] We believe we have enough money to make it through June 31st and we believe that before

[3:04:52] than the longer term plan is being developed because we are putting out request for proposals

[3:04:59] to multiple companies which you didn't say the night, I don't think I might have missed it,

[3:05:04] but we do actually have multiple companies that want to bid on this process and so we think

[3:05:10] that's a good, that's good towards getting a good resolution because we'll have probably

[3:05:16] several different opportunities to look at, and the experts to something that Dr. Miller said,

[3:05:24] what's our part of the collaborative approach, our part is to make sure that the pre-treatment

[3:05:33] system is designed adequately to protect the county system and to ensure that the operations

[3:05:41] are done to the best that we can have a peace in it to make sure that that takes place.

[3:05:50] I understand you can't make commitments on money because you don't appropriate it, so that's

[3:05:55] why you're very careful in your words, but I do appreciate the fact that the state overall

[3:06:00] has stepped up to say, yes, this is where the money should come from in the event that the legislators

[3:06:09] and the governor appropriate.

[3:06:13] So again, I'm thankful, but I'm very much asking the state to continue that effort

[3:06:20] as we bring a better long-term plan, not because we haven't tried to develop one, but

[3:06:27] because we truly haven't had time to fully develop that long-term plan, but once we know

[3:06:32] What that looks like we are looking to the state to fund that.

[3:06:38] The, in the April report, there was, and I want to get two technical and a lot of things.

[3:06:45] But there was a high arsenic concentration in a couple places.

[3:06:52] But I believe there was some May and June reports that came out that may have shown some better readings.

[3:07:02] There's multiple theories and we're having our technical experts with your county's technical experts and the trustees experts all look at that together to figure what's going on.

[3:07:12] So, we're aware of it. We're working on it. We don't have a final answer of why April's readings came up the way they did, but we are continuing to monitor and we feel like we have a plan at least at this time to keep everybody safe.

[3:07:27] Is that correct?

[3:07:28] It's correct.

[3:07:29] And I should point out, as you had mentioned this last week, we are in the process of standing

[3:07:33] up a website.

[3:07:34] The first version will be shooting for next Wednesday to be complete.

[3:07:38] It will be continued to add upon and we're going to basically provide as much information

[3:07:44] as we possibly can in a timely manner.

[3:07:48] Going back retroactively as well, some of the testing that it was protected during this

[3:07:53] the Asian effort has now been released.

[3:07:56] Trusty was very kind to release all this information.

[3:07:59] So our communications have will be adding it to a website.

[3:08:02] So everything is going to be public.

[3:08:04] If things are, some things are public now,

[3:08:07] but everything will be fully public

[3:08:08] and hopefully within a week or so.

[3:08:11] And we'll just continue to improve that website

[3:08:13] as time goes on.

[3:08:15] I think you mentioned it earlier, but

[3:08:17] so LHA was found in some of the outfalls

[3:08:20] of some of the BMPs.

[3:08:22] But I believe I heard you say that there was no evidence that that lay chain made it to the

[3:08:29] creeks that I hear that correctly.

[3:08:31] And that's what we believe.

[3:08:33] Obviously during a storm there could be something that we didn't see visual evidence of.

[3:08:37] But the vacuum trucks are used to basically suck it up in the pre-treatment areas of each

[3:08:42] BMP system.

[3:08:44] So that's our goal.

[3:08:45] It's preventive from leaving the site.

[3:08:46] We do have monitoring in the stream as well, hopefully we would pick up any signs of any

[3:08:51] regions.

[3:08:51] So we are taking samples.

[3:08:54] I know we're taking water samples.

[3:08:56] Are they taking any soil samples, just to see

[3:09:01] what that channel going to the creek might have.

[3:09:05] I don't believe they've been taking any soil samples,

[3:09:06] just water samples.

[3:09:08] And is it normal to just monitor the water and not the soil?

[3:09:12] That's normal, unless there's actually

[3:09:14] physical visible material out there.

[3:09:19] So we had visible evidence at the outfall itself, but not all the way to the channel to the crew, but not into the crew.

[3:09:29] I appreciate the clarifications on that.

[3:09:37] I think that I probably use well more than my time.

[3:09:42] I want to thank the board for indulging me on those questions.

[3:09:46] And I am sure that I missed somebody's question that's reached out to me, but it was not for lack of trying to make sure we were thorough in our conversation tonight.

[3:09:57] So thank you for your time.

[3:09:58] We're available.

[3:09:59] And our website will have a contact email.

[3:10:03] Brad has been tasked to be reviewing all those and getting our subject matter experts throughout the EQ to help.

[3:10:08] Obviously we're doing in cooperation with Chesterfield.

[3:10:11] So we're going to answer any questions we can and keep working together to get this addressed.

[3:10:16] Thank you.

[3:10:17] All right.

[3:10:18] Senator.

[3:10:20] Jesse, you had said in an email that you were going to address the, I know he brought that, but the arsenic level situation and the readings and how it might have been.

[3:10:28] Sure.

[3:10:28] So yeah, we, we, we saw sort of what was noted that we actually don't think that was arsenic.

[3:10:34] We, we think someone's reading the column wrong.

[3:10:36] But it was a total toxic organics is what it was.

[3:10:40] I believe that was because of the addition of naphthalene,

[3:10:43] which from your high school chemistry classroom,

[3:10:45] may remember as mothballs, which was material that's used

[3:10:49] to clean leechate collection systems.

[3:10:51] So that's why that reading thing to say a high,

[3:10:54] I think was noted as 170,000 micrograms per liter.

[3:10:58] But yes, yeah, we, again, that's not my information.

[3:11:02] So Scott Spedley, again, is really our expert in this.

[3:11:07] He has a background in utilities, water treatment, wastewater treatment.

[3:11:12] If we have specific questions like that, we will get those answered and try to address people's concerns.

[3:11:18] So should it sit us in direct those to you or to Scott?

[3:11:22] JW at Chesterfield.gov.

[3:11:25] And maybe I'll make sure that they get their answer back.

[3:11:27] But just to be absolutely clear what happened was there was someone in the community

[3:11:30] didn't misread the column.

[3:11:32] Yeah, and it's hard for us to sort of interpret that, just get a snippets of emails of, hey,

[3:11:37] I see a number here. It's a 750 page document. So we're guessing based on the numbers that we

[3:11:43] find in those studies as to what they're referring to. I know Scott did call that person or

[3:11:48] at least as talk to them and explain that as well. So if anybody has questions, we will get them

[3:11:53] answers, and I do think they also called it out in another location, but I'm sure that Scott

[3:12:03] can work with that person. I just want to make sure that questions are fully answered.

[3:12:08] Thank you for that.

[3:12:09] We are happy to do that.

[3:12:10] That's what I was doing.

[3:12:12] How many pages was that report?

[3:12:14] That's the April report, 750.

[3:12:16] 750 pages.

[3:12:17] So, I need this to say, with being 750 pages, the person or people that read it obviously

[3:12:25] and truly understand are those of the experts to be able to interpret it is, I guess I'm

[3:12:31] making the point that even with all, that's a tone of information, it's easy to pull out

[3:12:37] a snippet and think it's one thing and it may be something else.

[3:12:41] I'm not qualified to read that report and I have a degree in biological systems engineering

[3:12:45] and my license engineer. I don't read those things. We have people to do. Let's let them read it and

[3:12:50] interpret it and if folks have questions, we will get them to get them to get them to get.

[3:12:54] All right. Thank you. Sikar.

[3:12:58] Well, in that person's defense, they did email us back later and say that

[3:13:02] they pointed out the correct stuff that they were trying to point to. I mean, it is a pretty comprehensive

[3:13:06] report and there's a lot of information in there and I'm not qualified to testify that that report

[3:13:12] either for that matter.

[3:13:14] But my question is about the burn, the wall, okay?

[3:13:20] In August of 2020, we had a 700-year storm in just a field county.

[3:13:27] Tenages of rain were dropped on us in a take of five or six-hour period.

[3:13:33] I know that almost every road, I think it was actually every road from a whole street,

[3:13:38] all the way to clone your heights was shut down that swift creek ran next to, right?

[3:13:44] So, hull street actually had three feet of water over top of it.

[3:13:48] Our Addison Evans plant, and I think utilities is probably here, it can actually say that

[3:13:53] it was under like 12 feet of water, and we actually had to rebuild the plant, and when

[3:13:58] now we're putting a wall up, a flood wall, I was trying to get home, and so I had to

[3:14:06] go south of all the way to the one-apoc road to get to a road that goes south of Swift Creek

[3:14:12] to get to where I live in the county.

[3:14:14] But every single road was shut down.

[3:14:16] Can you go back to the map of where the wall is in relation to the creeks?

[3:14:26] I think he just passed it.

[3:14:28] Maybe not.

[3:14:29] Right.

[3:14:30] All right.

[3:14:31] So can you point out where Swift Creek is, relation to that?

[3:14:34] If the wall's footprint creek is to the left, which is...

[3:14:38] Can you point it out in the point of testing?

[3:14:40] So it's people in the community can see it.

[3:14:43] Sorry, we were having technical issues with this the other night, so let's see if we can push that button.

[3:14:50] Alright, so Swift Creek's over here, right?

[3:14:53] Yeah.

[3:14:53] So it's not far from the landfill.

[3:14:56] Yeah, it's just meandering.

[3:14:57] Let me enter soon.

[3:15:00] Back when this storm occurred, and you may not know the answer to this and we may have to do some research.

[3:15:04] Do we know if in that section of the creek when it comes by, did it overflow its banks and flow into the area?

[3:15:13] Because we know it overflowed the banks, everywhere else, quality road, B-troad, everything was on the flood.

[3:15:20] To my knowledge, we do not know that. We'll have to look it back to you on that.

[3:15:22] We do have, I'll dig them up, but we have pictures from Pekka to State Park nearby and some other things.

[3:15:31] I'll see what we have, but we have some floodgages out here, so I'll talk to Jess Winter over in a emergency management

[3:15:37] and see if we have any historical records from back then.

[3:15:41] If you saw the pictures about Kahana, I mean, the swings were completely flooded, it was way up.

[3:15:46] So we could probably extrapolate some sort of idea of where that floodplain would have been relative to this particular.

[3:15:51] But the reason I ask is, if the banks overflowed, and I think probably even knocking on doors

[3:15:58] with some of the people living that neighborhood next to that might be able to even speak to that.

[3:16:04] But if it overflowed its banks in there at a 700-year storm, which flooded, like I said, a majority

[3:16:09] of the county roads,

[3:16:13] again, I didn't see any evidence, at least in the picture that was shown

[3:16:18] than it eroded the wall?

[3:16:21] If I could add, there's been, you know, Mike noted this, there's been no movement in the wall. They've set up survey equipment.

[3:16:27] You know, those walls typically you don't see any sort of catastrophic failure. You'll start to see

[3:16:32] shifting and movement and migration and other things, but you don't, with those MSC

[3:16:36] berms, because they're, like you said, they're very common in highway constructed and some other things.

[3:16:41] You don't typically see just any sort of catastrophic failure. You start to see movement

[3:16:46] But very, very micro-scopic move that you have to pick up with the survey equipment.

[3:16:51] But the fear is that if something happens internally in the landfill,

[3:16:55] that could create a problem for the wall.

[3:16:57] Yes or no?

[3:16:59] That's our catastrophic concern, but so far we haven't seen any evidence of any movement.

[3:17:05] So I don't think it's a high risk.

[3:17:07] Well, I mean, because there's some people believe because there was fly ash used in the construction

[3:17:10] of the wall, that's a danger to the community and that the wall needs to be completely replaced immediately.

[3:17:15] And the fly-action actually, you can look at it two ways, it's a cementatious material, so it actually could be increasing the stability as if it got wet.

[3:17:26] So it's not a cut-and-dry answer.

[3:17:28] No point.

[3:17:29] You know, at the time, I wasn't around at the time.

[3:17:31] No point.

[3:17:32] No point.

[3:17:33] Sorry.

[3:17:34] But I wasn't here obviously when it was approved and designed and built.

[3:17:38] But you know, it's, it's, we don't not expect it to be a significant problem,

[3:17:43] But we'll definitely taking your suggestion, you know, work with Jesse to look into number one,

[3:17:48] the hundred-year floodplain elevation issue.

[3:17:50] Most likely it's not that significant because there was no evidence so far of any any problems,

[3:17:55] but that was before the wall was built.

[3:17:58] That flood.

[3:17:59] Well, I mean, my concern is that whether or not the wall is going to have an issue or not,

[3:18:02] we know from in the past we've had several buildings in Chesterwood County,

[3:18:08] that had fly ash used in, I guess, in the stabilization, underneath the buildings, they

[3:18:15] homedepo was one of them, where fly ash was used to help stabilize the soil underneath

[3:18:21] the concrete and the whole concrete floor cracked and they had to replace it, and that

[3:18:25] was a different type of issue, but obviously I just want to make sure that there is no problem

[3:18:33] with this wall right now and that we continue to monitor to make sure that there is not one

[3:18:38] and we don't believe that the fly ash is created in the media sea, that's going to add

[3:18:43] to that $173 million price tag, and that's something we have to look at replacing immediately.

[3:18:49] At this time, we have no knowledge of any problem.

[3:18:52] The June report was just recently completed, and that's going to be on our website as well

[3:18:57] that shows the current monitoring, and we're going to continue the monitoring and make sure

[3:19:00] that there isn't signs of a problem.

[3:19:04] Thank you.

[3:19:05] And so I just want to be clear kind of picking up on Mr. Carroll saying it's not as if we need to create or build a second retaining wall behind it just in case it were to we're not worried about whether it is going to collapse correct we're not worried about it and we don't have any plant this any need to have another wall built there the biggest need is to prevent any increase in leachay which does put more loading on the wall and so we have to get rid of leachay number one not for the

[3:19:34] loading and hydrostatic loading. It's for the temperature and the elevated temperature landfill.

[3:19:39] A secondary benefit, or removing leachate, is less pressure on the wall.

[3:19:44] All right. Then I had a question for you. If you were to continue

[3:19:46] dislodves, there was one picture that confuses me a little bit.

[3:19:50] Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going.

[3:19:56] Keep going. Keep going.

[3:19:57] Keep going. There is one that look like a geyser.

[3:20:00] That's one of them. That's the one. That's the one.

[3:20:04] Can you tell me a little bit about what we're looking at there and is that something that's happening out on our business?

[3:20:10] It has happened, okay?

[3:20:12] It has basically pressure.

[3:20:14] You know, so that has happened.

[3:20:16] And that's something we have to stop.

[3:20:18] You know, we have to get rid of the leachate.

[3:20:20] We have to get it out.

[3:20:21] We have to make sure it's not on your pressure.

[3:20:23] Sometimes in these elevated temperature lamp fills, you'll have

[3:20:28] Liquid is at a higher temperature than boiling, but under pressure so they don't boil,

[3:20:33] but then when you have a release of pressure, they can boil and have a geyser.

[3:20:38] But that is something that's happened to our level, it's just depicting correct.

[3:20:41] If it happened here, it happened here.

[3:20:43] It doesn't happen very often, but again, another reason to get this leechade out, and I will say the trustee

[3:20:52] And they're doing everything in their power to do it right, to get this leechate out.

[3:20:57] I mean, they're doing a, they're really doing a good job.

[3:20:59] We just got to give them more time and more money and more resources in terms of once we get

[3:21:04] a treatment system, we can get more leechate out.

[3:21:07] We're, we're, we're hemmed in by trucking and we're going to bring it to Mr. Chair.

[3:21:13] Thank you.

[3:21:14] Other questions from the board?

[3:21:15] Dr. Hill.

[3:21:17] No, not so much a question as much as a statement, you know, one, thank you so much for

[3:21:23] Your help, you've had community meeting last week in the Highlands neighborhood, thought that went very well,

[3:21:31] well received a lot of positive feedback about the information that you presented, and also,

[3:21:37] you know, people have a lot of faith in confidence in your background, which, if you could take a moment,

[3:21:44] just to kind of describe the background that you have and those are all your staff for a moment.

[3:21:50] And I think that's one thing that this crowd hadn't gotten,

[3:21:55] it's kind of understanding what it has taken to get to where you are in terms of

[3:22:00] you get a career.

[3:22:02] Right.

[3:22:02] And also some of the folks that are on your staff that are kind of working through this project.

[3:22:08] So I know it brought a lot of confidence to that crowd there.

[3:22:11] So hopefully give you the opportunity here, too.

[3:22:14] So we're number one, our project manager that we've designed for this project is Brad

[3:22:18] Rick.

[3:22:19] and he is right there. And he's been with DQ at 20 years now. So he's been involved in this type

[3:22:26] project and in this compliance requirements for all these years. John Geese, he's spreading the

[3:22:31] retired into this year. And he's also, he's been in our hazardous waste group in our emergency

[3:22:37] response group in our community cage and the group. So he's been dealing with these types of problems

[3:22:42] Again, 35 years now, 30 years.

[3:22:46] Okay, I'm old, right?

[3:22:47] I just turned 69.

[3:22:48] So I got at a high school in 75.

[3:22:51] I guess, and almost the same age.

[3:22:55] But my career basically started at a batches

[3:22:58] and a master's in civil and environmental engineering,

[3:23:00] specialized in geotech and my master's in the Navy and finance,

[3:23:03] went to Cornell for all three degrees.

[3:23:06] I was in the construction industry,

[3:23:08] and then in the real estate development,

[3:23:09] and basically start getting weathered permits for developer

[3:23:13] and start my own company back in 1988, sold it in 2014,

[3:23:17] worked there full time for three years,

[3:23:19] and then part time while I taught

[3:23:20] I was a professor of practice at Cornell,

[3:23:22] went back to my alma mater, because my,

[3:23:24] well, you're not my hydraulic professor,

[3:23:26] can miss me to come back, and it was a blast,

[3:23:28] but my wife did not like the cold and the thick in New York.

[3:23:31] And so, but I moved, actually,

[3:23:33] first time was a co-op student DC in 78,

[3:23:36] but then moved full time to Virginia in 85.

[3:23:38] And so I've been in Virginia and Northern Virginia in my whole career, basically, majority of it.

[3:23:44] I had a couple hundred employees when I left and played teacher for a little bit.

[3:23:49] And then retired again, played farmer for a little tiny bit, and learned I can have to lose money farming.

[3:23:57] And basically, I never heard of Governor Young Kim, but I read an article in interview.

[3:24:04] And he wanted someone to improve the environmental permeate process, so I wrote them a letter.

[3:24:10] So that's how I came here.

[3:24:12] And it's been a great challenge.

[3:24:13] It's a great time.

[3:24:14] We've made incredible improvements to DQ.

[3:24:16] Most of my career was getting permits from DQ and local governments and the Army Corps engineers.

[3:24:21] So I knew that systems and from a different side and a lot of the people I work with now,

[3:24:26] I work with, you know, on the other side.

[3:24:29] I've taught lots of classes over the years both for DQ and the Army Corps around the country.

[3:24:33] And I really appreciate it.

[3:24:36] Yeah.

[3:24:36] It's really helpful and very grateful.

[3:24:38] Any other questions from Mr. Chair?

[3:24:40] I think you have one of them.

[3:24:43] And I know someone's here from the EPA and they haven't said anything.

[3:24:48] We hadn't really asked anything, but I would say that this board is interested and

[3:24:54] we've actually reached out to some of our representation at the federal level to bring

[3:25:00] the EPA in and I know that this is not a super fun site, it's a super fun site is set up

[3:25:07] for some a landfill that did not have regulation and wasn't permanent properly I believe

[3:25:16] is how they call super fun sites but we do invite the EPA in any guidance, anything you

[3:25:24] can do to help us and any funding you can bring us to help make this happen so thank you

[3:25:29] being here tonight.

[3:25:35] So all about my name is Miles Bartis, I'm the on-scene coordinator for EPA, working

[3:25:40] with DEQ for years or partners, right now we really don't have a place for this, given

[3:25:45] the conditions and everything that is going on, but we keep an eye on it, we reviewed the

[3:25:50] data and reviewed their plans, so we fully support and plan on either technical assistance

[3:25:55] wherever we can, as you can tell, I have a really good handle on what's needed, it really

[3:25:59] down the money. We also don't do grants in the super fun program. We do when no one else can do it,

[3:26:05] that's when we come in and when certain criteria are met. So we're continuing to be involved. We'll

[3:26:10] feel any questions you have. I appreciate the time being here. Thank you. We'll continue to reach out

[3:26:15] to our federal level partners that represent Cheshpeal County as well to see if we can get them to

[3:26:22] maybe not through the EPA but through another form to help get this solved as quickly as possible.

[3:26:28] Thank you. Dr. Heldon, did you have additional questions?

[3:26:33] I just wanted just to say too that I think it's important to note that this is the state

[3:26:38] coming to the aid of a privately owned landfill and not, so I don't want people to say that,

[3:26:46] you know, you are coming to give Tesla County the money to fix this. This is you are rescuing

[3:26:52] private entity. And so hopefully it'll be no impacts for Tesla residents from other funding

[3:26:58] that we'll receive from the state or federal level that this is really again, I want to say it again

[3:27:05] to be clear, the state government coming to rescue privately held entity. So just want to make that

[3:27:22] to describe their alleged, but I mean, which is really the point, isn't it? That we're grateful

[3:27:32] for the support that you're giving so we can move this process forward. I think the

[3:27:37] actions, frankly, were despicable. I'm not sure that that is a legal term, but I can tell

[3:27:42] you, it certainly is an emotional one. Do you have Mr. Carroll?

[3:27:46] question for EPA.

[3:27:53] So I know there's talk of bad actors and what role does the EPA work

[3:27:58] with any federal authority in investigating something like this where there could have been

[3:28:04] some type of violation of regulations, not just state regulations, but possible federal

[3:28:13] regulations relating to environmental issues. So what is EPA's role in that? And then

[3:28:20] What agency would you work with if there was an investigation to be done?

[3:28:26] So two parts of that question, I'd say the one would be a criminal side and one would

[3:28:30] just be the civil side.

[3:28:32] Certainly, record subtitled D-Lanthals, a record program, resource conservation recovery

[3:28:38] act group.

[3:28:39] They would look at the violations of how they operated within their permits.

[3:28:43] Much of that authority is delegated to the Commonwealth in the Virginia.

[3:28:47] If it was a criminal side, we have a criminal investigation division that will also works

[3:28:52] closely with the Commonwealth of Virginia as Attorney General that they look into violations

[3:28:58] for clean water act, clean air act, circular, which is a super fun law.

[3:29:03] Those recommendations can come from me if I'm out there and see something.

[3:29:07] It's outside of my scope of authority or it can come from the state to ask for assistance

[3:29:12] on that.

[3:29:14] Hopefully I answer your question.

[3:29:15] So, if you're involved in this and you come across something, then you'll consult with your agency and also consult with the Attorney General's Office and what federal agency and the criminal side would you consult with?

[3:29:29] So, if we went criminal, it would be a U.S. Attorney's Office.

[3:29:31] look at would be that would mostly be through our office, the regional council, and or the

[3:29:37] criminal investigation division under EPA. Like I said, my title is on team coordinator,

[3:29:43] so I don't, I'm a jack of all trades master of none. We farm out a lot of stuff to the experts,

[3:29:48] I'm much like much like the Commonwealth does for specialty. So any one of us could reach out

[3:29:55] and start that conversation. I think our goal is to make sure that we have the most comprehensive

[3:30:00] Opportunity to look at this, to determine if there was anything done and appropriate, and my ask would be that your agency would work directly with the state to be able to accomplish that in any way, shape before, so that we can, if there was something done that shouldn't have been done, we can get it resolved in the best manner possible.

[3:30:19] And I can tell you, we are having multiple conversations across the different programs within the different authorities.

[3:30:26] We obviously have to stay in our lane for each respective roles, but we are continuing to have those conversations.

[3:30:31] Thank you very much.

[3:30:32] Appreciate you.

[3:30:33] Thank you.

[3:30:34] Any other comments for it?

[3:30:37] Well, thank you so much for the energy to time.

[3:30:41] And the heart that you're putting into moving this right direction.

[3:30:44] Thanks.

[3:30:44] Thank you very much.

[3:30:45] The opportunity to hear.

[3:30:51] Be approval of any employment agreement for the County Administrator Mr. Minks.

[3:30:57] Mr. Chair, Members of the Board, at the June 24th meeting, the Board confirmed the

[3:31:04] appointment of Dr. Kevin Catlin as the County Administrator going forward, effective August

[3:31:10] to 24th, 2026. County Administrators serve under employment contracts and have in this county

[3:31:18] for as long as I can recall, and the proposed employment contract for Dr. Catlin is the

[3:31:26] item that's before the board for approval tonight.

[3:31:31] Thank you, Mr. Minks. I'm Board members. May I have a motion to approve the

[3:31:34] appointment agreement for the Chistro County Administrator?

[3:31:37] So moved.

[3:31:38] Second. Second. Any discussion at all?

[3:31:43] All in favor say aye.

[3:31:47] All right.

[3:31:48] but I'm going to call the others.

[3:31:50] All in favor?

[3:31:51] All right.

[3:31:51] Anyone at those?

[3:31:55] That'll work.

[3:31:58] See, appointments, Mr. Chair,

[3:32:00] we have one appointment to the Planning Commission.

[3:32:07] Hey, can I get a motion to approve the,

[3:32:11] I, to approve, I guess I'm going to talk about that.

[3:32:13] For the Planning Commission, can I get a motion for that?

[3:32:16] Motion approved, Mr. Chair.

[3:32:17] All right, can I get a second?

[3:32:19] Second.

[3:32:19] Any discussion?

[3:32:20] Yes, Mr. Chair.

[3:32:25] I want to, with the public, know that there is someone from the community that has come

[3:32:32] forward to serving a role as a planning commissioner for the Matoka District, his name

[3:32:38] is Christopher Chapman.

[3:32:43] It's interesting how I met Mr. Chapman.

[3:32:46] He contacted me because he lives adjacent to a development that was approved a couple of years

[3:32:53] ago that's now starting to come out of the ground that actually may have encroached, or

[3:32:58] he was concerned that it was encroaching on his property.

[3:33:04] And as I got to know him, I got to talk to him, I realized that he is a person who has

[3:33:13] a personal interest from that side, from the development standpoint.

[3:33:20] He has a master's in biomedical engineering from the medical college of Virginia,

[3:33:26] bachelor's of science in biology, biology education, from Virginia Commonwealth University,

[3:33:34] and bachelor's in anthropology from Virginia Commonwealth University.

[3:33:38] But he's also worked in many other capacities currently.

[3:33:43] He's a director of industrial hygiene for a company.

[3:33:47] And he's also served on some state boards, and so he's not new to, he would definitely

[3:33:55] be new to a planning commissioner role, but he's not unknown to, to what a role could

[3:34:01] be in serving the community, and I admire him for stepping up.

[3:34:05] I asked if he'd be interested, I asked him to do some research to look at planning commission

[3:34:10] meetings, to look at many things, which he did.

[3:34:14] And so I'm very honored that he's chosen to do this.

[3:34:18] There's some who believe that we just

[3:34:20] appoint some crony that we know, right?

[3:34:23] Just pick somebody who's in the industry

[3:34:25] and appoint him as a planning commissioner.

[3:34:28] And that's not the case.

[3:34:30] That's certainly not the case in my previous planning commissioner.

[3:34:33] And it is definitely not the case in this.

[3:34:36] And what I like about Chris is his analytical mind,

[3:34:39] As a ability to look at the law and as a ability to communicate and so I look forward to him

[3:34:47] Being approved as a planning commission. I look forward to seeing how he works well

[3:34:53] For the community and as a planning commissioner and working with the other

[3:34:58] Commander planning commissioners

[3:35:00] Moving forward Mr. Chair, and I just wanted to share some of that information with the community

[3:35:06] As to how I actually got to meet Mr. Chapman, it was not, I didn't know him, and I know him now and I think he'll do a great job.

[3:35:16] Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[3:35:17] Thank you, Mr. Carol, any other discussion?

[3:35:20] All right, we have a motion.

[3:35:21] We have a properly second.

[3:35:23] It appears if there are any other discussion on favor.

[3:35:26] Hi, anyone opposed?

[3:35:28] Madam Clerk.

[3:35:29] D, adoption of a resolution requesting the circuit court of Chesterfield County to order a referendum election on the question of whether Chesterfield County should be authorized to levy a general retail sales tax not to exceed 1% to provide revenue solely for capital projects for the construction or renovation of schools serving Chesterfield County in accordance with Virginia code section 58.1-605.1 as amended Mr. Harris.

[3:36:00] It's chair members of board, this is a brief presentation.

[3:36:04] Some of you did this afternoon, just kind of teen up this issue, I'll jump right into the

[3:36:09] slides and kind of get you to what we're talking about.

[3:36:13] So, of course, it'll last probably three general assembly sessions, there has been interest

[3:36:19] really throughout the commonwealth about adding a tool to the local government toolkit to

[3:36:25] local governments to enact an additional 1% local sales tax to help with financing of school

[3:36:34] construction and school major maintenance. Oddly enough, I think there are nine localities

[3:36:40] that have that authority currently. And so the interest was to, again, just provide that option

[3:36:47] for the rest of the Commonwealth. There's this recent session. Commonwealth did just that. So as

[3:36:53] of July 1, you have the ability, all localities to pursue this.

[3:36:59] So that's kind of the backstory.

[3:37:02] We've been following that, the language on that has bounced around quite a bit from sort

[3:37:10] of very accommodating to a little more restrictive.

[3:37:13] That's more or less where we ended up here with this version that's before you.

[3:37:17] But the request that's on your agenda after this presentation is to potentially support a resolution that simply puts this on the ballot for this November.

[3:37:31] Note, no different than a bond referendum, like we did in 2013, 2022, where you package up some

[3:37:40] projects under various categories. We petitioned the circuit core clerk to put that on the ballot

[3:37:45] and then it is before the voters to approve. Same measure here, you are not proving this tonight.

[3:37:52] You're not being asked for this tonight or simply being asked to consider resolution to send it to

[3:37:57] court to have it included as part of the ballot for this November.

[3:38:02] So a couple of key details I mentioned, this little more restrictive proposal where we ended up still I think it works very well for Chesterfield and I think this conversation is happening a lot of boardrooms throughout the Commonwealth.

[3:38:15] We're aware of 21, 22 other jurisdictions that are having the same conversation, some of which are a little bit ahead of us.

[3:38:23] The timing on this is such that it really kind of has to be a July consideration for localities to in order to meet the deadlines to get something on a ballot, and I've said that time on sped up a little bit with the most recent, you know, some of the early voting changes.

[3:38:42] so it's for for Chesterfield is your July meeting or you're really waiting until you know sometime

[3:38:50] next year to put it on a traditional November ballot. So that that's why it's on your

[3:38:56] agenda for consideration this evening. The specific language allows you to again to enact a

[3:39:04] second 1% local option sales tax. We already had this today, so from an administrative perspective

[3:39:09] And that's a big deal, the administration is a simpler task.

[3:39:14] It does have a couple of carve outs that are existing one percent

[3:39:18] does not, so grocery items, personal care, sort of basic hygiene items are

[3:39:23] restricted from the additional one percent by stay code.

[3:39:27] So that's not something that would be those sort of essential day-to-day goods

[3:39:32] are not part of this proposal.

[3:39:35] Any revenue that's generated as part of this has to be used for really two main purposes.

[3:39:42] New school construction for a project that is, it can be in your pipeline, but it cannot be,

[3:39:48] it can be designed as we understand it, but it can't be in some stage of vertical construction.

[3:39:53] So they're looking to incentivize if you will things that have not yet begun, and we do have, as we'll touch on in the next slide,

[3:40:00] quite a bit of a can to projects that fit that criteria.

[3:40:05] It has built in sunset.

[3:40:07] So it's a 20 years from the time that you get started.

[3:40:11] It's a frost that would be, you know,

[3:40:14] 20 July of 2046 right around the corner.

[3:40:16] So that's not something you have to come back and take action on.

[3:40:20] It's built in there.

[3:40:21] The nice thing there is 20 years does line up with a traditional bond,

[3:40:25] you know, paid down period.

[3:40:27] So, you know, if approved tonight,

[3:40:29] if approved by the voters, and then if the subsequent resolution is approved at whatever time,

[3:40:35] we could go out cell bonds, and then at the end of this period they would be fully paid off.

[3:40:40] You can sell bonds at any point during the period of time, but that 20 years since that does

[3:40:46] lie to fully pay that off and not have anything laying out there. So I think that summarizes

[3:40:53] that slide. So what would we do with the specifics for for test field really three key pieces

[3:41:00] to this? As I mentioned, new school construction has to be something that is an envision project,

[3:41:07] but not again coming out of the ground. So we've got six such projects that sit currently in

[3:41:13] improved school CIP. Some of these were considered or envisioned as sort of the tail end of your 22

[3:41:20] referendum, as the case with the military middle school, we said every time we had a chance,

[3:41:27] it was only partially funded, that's only become a little bit more complicated as some of

[3:41:34] the cost of the previous construction, previous projects, has come in a little bit above what was

[3:41:42] expected back in 2021, 5, 6 years ago. So, point being, it's a mix of some of those tail and

[3:41:50] program projects and then four new projects that have been identified subsequently, primarily to

[3:41:57] deal with some capacity issues. That makes this list of these six I'll just read them all for you.

[3:42:02] So you have a reliever elementary school here in the Dale District, one around over 100 elementary,

[3:42:10] the full buildout of the Matoua Committal School, partially been done now,

[3:42:15] around that out, the rest of the Middle School Project, which was referenced high school gym

[3:42:21] and sort of a major renovation type project for L.C. Bird, similar to what we've seen at some

[3:42:27] other high schools, as well as the Thomas Dale campus improvements. I think that's probably the

[3:42:33] best way to couch that. There's several school division continues to look at that the most efficient way

[3:42:38] to improve sort of the flow and the housing and students on the Thomas Dale campus. There's a

[3:42:44] of concepts there, but it store means of important project and be something we would include here.

[3:42:51] It is our belief from modeling this out and again, we have the local estimate here somewhere between

[3:42:58] 65 and 70 million dollars in this particular stream. We believe that we could do the following two things,

[3:43:05] or really the following three things. We could finance all six of those projects and they sit again as

[3:43:12] mentioned in a school CIP and a capital plan, but they are accordioned out over any number

[3:43:17] of years.

[3:43:17] We could accelerate all of those into the near term, you know, for proof we could be selling

[3:43:23] those bonds this time next year, similar to what we just did for the high school project.

[3:43:28] And we could also, and I can't stress this enough, you know, that's six campuses, but

[3:43:32] we, you know, we have over 60 campuses in the, in the, in the county.

[3:43:37] So the major renovation, which is sort of that major maintenance concept, we talked about

[3:43:41] consistently on both sides, county and schools. We've made really, really good

[3:43:46] inroads on the county side. Schools major maintenance program is continuing to

[3:43:51] catch up, making some strides, but if this were to be put in place, it would allow

[3:43:56] you to put in a very meaningful major maintenance program that would make those

[3:44:01] kind of major system improvements and in large scale renovation projects throughout

[3:44:06] the entire district. So it's not just that these six school communities are the

[3:44:10] touch, the major main space is really important for that day-to-day year-to-year upkeep

[3:44:17] of all of our school facilities all the way across the county. And then lastly, there are

[3:44:23] a couple of rate offsets that are included as part of this proposal. So it's a revenue diversification

[3:44:30] item, but there is some give back. So if approved, it's a two-cent reduction in the real estate rate,

[3:44:37] as a pair with a 10-cent reduction in the personal property rate.

[3:44:41] Those are just the components that are part of what's before you tonight.

[3:44:46] It doesn't preclude you from doing other things in normal course of business.

[3:44:50] You've taken significant decreases in both of those rates of the last four or five years.

[3:44:55] You could still do that once the revenue picture crystallizes for fit.

[3:45:00] This school 28 and beyond, but those two pieces are specifically tied to this. Another thing to note in that part is, you are growing tourism and sort of visitation business.

[3:45:12] We believe that around 25 to 30% of this, as it is on a day to day basis, would be exported to those that travel to and through chest fill.

[3:45:21] Of course, you got the 95 corridor, but again, a lot of visitation, whether it be friends or families or stores and all the things that we talked to you about.

[3:45:29] That really comes back to play here and certainly helps to balance this out.

[3:45:33] So this is not a, whereas real estate tax,

[3:45:37] a person property, those are paid by just field taxpayers,

[3:45:41] you know, solely this helps us to spread that out a little bit by shifting it over to,

[3:45:47] to the sales tax category.

[3:45:49] So I'll probably take any questions on those those first two slots.

[3:45:55] Poor members, any questions?

[3:46:00] All right, okay.

[3:46:00] Yeah, I can't do, you know, prestation, not a one bar chart, it's in county code somewhere,

[3:46:07] but this one is really important. I think this sets up sort of a second component of this.

[3:46:12] So there are some rate offsets with the, you know, potential adoption of a 1% second 1% sales tax.

[3:46:19] But this is what the existing school debt service looks like.

[3:46:22] This is everything as through today with closing on the high school bonds that we have sold.

[3:46:28] And this is what looks like that debt service over the next 20 years.

[3:46:33] We talk about it here all the time.

[3:46:34] The reasons that we have the financial standard we do, we pay off our debt very quickly,

[3:46:39] very regularly.

[3:46:40] So this curve, if you put the additional 1% in place and you think about transferring

[3:46:46] kind of all of your debt proposals for school facilities onto that revenue source, it allows

[3:46:52] this existing stream to really be paid down significantly and quickly without anything filling

[3:46:58] these gaps. All this can be happened within the policy constraints that the board has approved.

[3:47:05] But this does opens up a number of possibilities. One of which is you could add an additional

[3:47:10] referendum somewhere in this time period because you're creating capacity on this side. It also

[3:47:16] gives you the possibility to tackle other school priorities over this period of time or

[3:47:22] consider additional rate offsets or some mix of those particular items. So just within

[3:47:28] And then, you know, a number of years, you got almost a 12 year, a $12 million savings rather

[3:47:34] in that existing debt service stream.

[3:47:37] So it, and that's a little bit of a challenge in follow-up, perhaps, but it's very important

[3:47:42] to kind of realize that this is freed up, I think that's really kind of the main message

[3:47:46] here.

[3:47:47] A lot of capacity is created in your existing budget that you could do other things with.

[3:47:52] So that don't want that message to get lost.

[3:47:57] Proposed timeline. Again, it's before you tonight. I can't emphasize enough. You are not

[3:48:02] approving an additional sales tax or simply petition the court. It would go on to the

[3:48:07] ballot for election this November. That is not even the final step. You would have to come back

[3:48:13] and approve an ordinance in this program to put that in place for a potential enactment in July

[3:48:21] of next year and then it has that 20 years son set that would take us out to 246 and as we

[3:48:28] talked about this afternoon this is an example ballot question and we would continue to refine this

[3:48:34] but this was one that was used I believe in Charlottesville or is being you know sort of proposed

[3:48:40] up there pretty straightforward I just read it because I think it's it's important to do so

[3:48:46] Child County, a test field Virginia be authorized to love a local general retail sales tax

[3:48:51] at a rate not to exceed 1% the revenues of which shall be used solely for capital projects

[3:48:56] for the construction or renovation of public schools serving the county of chest field

[3:49:01] and which shall expire on you know for us in this example July 22nd, 2046.

[3:49:08] So pre-clean cut pre-prescriptive and I think in full compliance with the rulebook that the

[3:49:15] it has put out there. So with that I'm happy to take any questions, may I have

[3:49:22] any questions?

[3:49:23] Yes, sir.

[3:49:27] So I know there was some questions. Some people have sent me about the definition of the

[3:49:34] what it will be and will not be taxed on. So would like cards and appliances be taxed?

[3:49:43] Everything that is except for food. Yeah, everything except for those sort of

[3:49:48] I'll just term as everyday essential

[3:49:50] the groceries, personal care items.

[3:49:52] Those are the only things that

[3:49:53] we had some discussion this afternoon.

[3:49:56] The state has set that rule book.

[3:49:59] Those are the restrictions.

[3:50:01] So we are taking that and whole as opposed to us,

[3:50:04] the other categories are would all be included

[3:50:09] as far as we can review.

[3:50:12] And I'm Mr. Mix, it's had a chance to look at that as well.

[3:50:14] But those are the only exemptions that would be pulled out.

[3:50:18] Okay.

[3:50:20] Another question for the way.

[3:50:23] Mr. Carroll.

[3:50:27] In 2013, there was a bond referendum put before the voters, and that was for capital

[3:50:34] improvement projects, majority schools and a meal tax.

[3:50:38] The bond referendum passed, but the meal tax was voted down.

[3:50:42] Correct?

[3:50:42] Yes, sir.

[3:50:43] And to this date, we don't have a meal tax in just for counties.

[3:50:46] It's, in fact, the general assembly changed the law a few years ago that basically said

[3:50:52] you don't long enough to put it out for a referendum because cities had the authority

[3:50:56] to just do meal stacks period.

[3:51:01] So they gave it to the counties too, essentially we have the same taxing authority now as

[3:51:06] any other jurisdictions.

[3:51:07] That correct?

[3:51:09] Yes, sir.

[3:51:11] So if this was to be put on the ballot, the voters could vote now.

[3:51:16] They could come out and say, you know what, just like the science seal over there, we don't want

[3:51:20] any new taxes.

[3:51:21] So, there certainly could come out and vote no, or they could vote yes.

[3:51:26] I think that there's an interesting history considering the last bond referendum, the voters

[3:51:33] passed 75% tile in just real county to approve the projects that were being proposed.

[3:51:40] I think that an important part of this, if you go back to the presentation that you did,

[3:51:46] which this doesn't show, is a community really needs to understand what projects could

[3:51:51] be.

[3:51:52] Because I'll give you an example.

[3:51:53] In my community, I get questions all the time as to why we've built new schools in the

[3:51:58] Western part of the county in Matoka, in New High Schools, being built in New Middle

[3:52:02] school and new elementary school, but yet we haven't rebuilt the old

[3:52:08] Matoga High School, which half of it was done and half it was not. And so

[3:52:13] people in that section of my district say, well, what about us? When are we going to

[3:52:17] get that done? If you go back to the list, I'm sure every single board member can

[3:52:21] say the same thing that we know we have overcrowding and the Dale district

[3:52:27] elementary schools, and we also need a pre-case school.

[3:52:31] Every one of those projects, but those projects didn't make

[3:52:35] the bond referendum, because of the capacity we had available to issue

[3:52:39] in the bond referendum, is that correct?

[3:52:41] Again, you've got two of those that were included, but

[3:52:45] you know, we had a certain amount of authorization to sell

[3:52:49] under the geolabel, and we can only go out to that level.

[3:52:53] We could continue to sell, but they can't be geol.

[3:52:57] So this, this does allow, you know, sort of solves that, that funding riddle for those particular

[3:53:03] projects.

[3:53:03] And then you've got four that through your annual CIP project process, each year have been

[3:53:10] identified, brought in here, discussed, and committee, all those things.

[3:53:14] So this list is not something that was created just for this.

[3:53:17] It's a pre-existing.

[3:53:18] The only thing that's really important, and they, you know, again, they sit, you open this

[3:53:22] have you documented today, they sit in there as established priorities?

[3:53:28] Well, just be clear.

[3:53:29] I'm on record of stating that I would not want to pass the Meals Tax in Chesterow County.

[3:53:35] And we have this board hasn't passed the Meals Tax.

[3:53:38] No board has passed the Meals Tax since they changed the law.

[3:53:43] One discussion at one time would be that if we were going to even think about it, it would

[3:53:46] be put out for a referendum for the people to choose whether or not they want to be taxed or not.

[3:53:51] In my throat about a new tax, never am, but do I think the people should have the right to vote and voice their opinion about what they want and want not to do?

[3:54:02] They shouldn't only get the voice opinion about everything else, and I think that I would like to hear what their vote would be on this.

[3:54:10] So, that's just what I have to say.

[3:54:13] Yes, sir. Thank you.

[3:54:15] I see it.

[3:54:16] I think we're very,

[3:54:19] very, very reluctant to have a new tax and I would say that this is not a new tax.

[3:54:28] This is an increase in a tax rate, which I've also been very reluctant to do.

[3:54:34] It does have some offsets and it would not equal the total amount of revenue brought in,

[3:54:40] but it does have some offsets in it.

[3:54:43] if this was something that this board was looking at imposing on the citizens, I would say no.

[3:54:50] But I am willing to say to the citizens, these are the positives that could come out of it.

[3:54:58] And of course, the negatives are, you're going to pay a little bit more in taxes each year.

[3:55:04] Do you want to support it or not? And I do think that allowing the citizens to make that decision,

[3:55:10] and not having this board make that decision is reasonable.

[3:55:14] So if the citizens vote yes, then it would happen

[3:55:18] and if they voted no it wouldn't.

[3:55:20] And I'm confident that I'm leaving that decision

[3:55:22] to the citizens to make the decision

[3:55:25] will get the right outcome from it.

[3:55:29] Dr. Hill?

[3:55:31] You know, I can say that for the Dell District,

[3:55:35] we're working for a new Dell Elementary School

[3:55:38] with a pre-K wing.

[3:55:40] So three and four year olds can go to school

[3:55:42] earlier increase their success rate and hopefully bring down the cost that parents are paying

[3:55:48] around the county for pre-K. And so we're trying to make life more affordable but it takes money

[3:55:57] and we're trying to balance that and I mean it's just one of those things that we're trying

[3:56:05] to make life more affordable but we know that we're going to take on some projects in order to bring

[3:56:11] down some things, uh, the cost of it. So, you know, I'm a little, I don't want to make this

[3:56:18] decision by myself, and I think putting it on the ballot for citizens to vote on it and

[3:56:25] tell us what they think is the most important thing to do right now. So, um, you know, that's, that's

[3:56:33] what I'm thinking is to allow them to tell us what they think we should do in terms of the one

[3:56:38] in sales sex, so, you know, but I feel the pressure, the burden of working class families,

[3:56:48] understanding that childcare and just living in the county is really expensive, and I would

[3:56:54] hate to do this without, you know, consulting them first, so I think to put it on a referendum,

[3:57:01] and, you know, letting the citizens tell us what they think, yeah, your name is the right thing

[3:57:06] to do.

[3:57:11] I just wanted to add, I mean, mid-Lothian middle school was over a hundred years old.

[3:57:18] And, Mr. Harris, I think you said it, I sort of repeated that.

[3:57:20] The last referendum, it was, there was only enough money to build half a school.

[3:57:28] I get phone calls, frustrations, emails from my constituents often,

[3:57:36] that the school is literally falling apart.

[3:57:41] So far as I'm working,

[3:57:45] Millothy Middle School has a reputation for having a very distinctive smell.

[3:57:50] Kids come home, they need to get out of their clothes, they need to be washed.

[3:57:56] I want to facilitate the building of Millothy Middle School as quickly as possible.

[3:58:02] And so a great, of course, this is a decision of the community.

[3:58:07] But, although the middle school is going to get built, it's going to get built.

[3:58:11] The only question is, how long is it going to take to get built because we may have to wait for another referendum?

[3:58:17] So, what is the positive of the referendum that we're talking about here?

[3:58:23] Is it will not be borne by only the citizens who just feel county?

[3:58:28] We have a million people that come in every year from our two River City,

[3:58:33] And they too will be bearing the cost, but then they're going to go back to the respective places,

[3:58:41] their homes that are outside of Chesaville County.

[3:58:44] I hear often that why Hermrico passive meal stacks was simply because a big percentage of who

[3:58:53] is going out to dinner are those people that aren't local.

[3:58:56] And so here we have an opportunity to have 30% of the 70% that's raised coming from folks

[3:59:07] outside of the county and that is a unique opportunity because we know if the rent for

[3:59:14] end of does not pass, then the citizens is just filled county will bear 100% of the new

[3:59:25] renovation, the middle school, the middle, the middle school, the middle school,

[3:59:29] L.C. Bird, high school gym, Thomas, the high school expansion. So we have an

[3:59:33] opportunity and my take on it is that if I can get 30% on any investment that I

[3:59:39] would make, that's not a bad investment, I would take that. So the folks of

[3:59:46] just feel will have to make a decision. These things are going to happen. They're

[3:59:50] going to happen, but it'll just be a matter of how long it's going to take for

[3:59:54] to occur. So, the question is, is the Chesterfield good and bear the full

[3:59:58] We'll go around to this.

[4:00:00] Or are we going to be able to pass it out to 30% of it to individuals that come in each other's

[4:00:05] field county and then leave? So that's to be the choice in front of our citizens and be

[4:00:12] really interested to see what the decision is coming of ever. As part of that, I think that there

[4:00:19] are some right offsets that we could do. We talked about it. It's not going to bear the most,

[4:00:24] they'll burn to it but boy it'll help and that is a way to kind of spread out the offset in

[4:00:32] other ways. So any other discussion from the board? With that of any questions from Mr. Harris.

[4:00:42] All right. So board members, there's a question here in front of us. I'd like to get a motion

[4:00:48] as to whether we want to move forward with putting this 1% sales tax that the state has provided us

[4:00:56] on the November of Alley.

[4:00:58] Can I get a motion for that?

[4:01:01] I will make that motion.

[4:01:03] Can I get a second?

[4:01:08] Second.

[4:01:09] Okay.

[4:01:09] Sounds like I got a second.

[4:01:11] All in favor say aye.

[4:01:12] Aye.

[4:01:13] All opposed.

[4:01:16] It passes.

[4:01:17] Thank you.

[4:01:17] Madam Clerk.

[4:01:20] E.

[4:01:20] Consent items.

[4:01:21] Mr. Chair, there have been no requests.

[4:01:23] From board members to remove items from the consent agenda for discussion by the board.

[4:01:29] For members, are there any requests to remove any other item for the consent agenda for

[4:01:34] a discussion with the board?

[4:01:38] By the board.

[4:01:40] If not, if I could get a motion to approve the consent agenda, then we can hear a second

[4:01:47] all in favor.

[4:01:48] All right.

[4:01:49] Madam Clerk.

[4:01:53] Item 16, 15 minute citizen comment period on unscheduled matters.

[4:01:57] This time is designated for citizens to talk to the Board of Supervisors.

[4:02:01] It is not a time for dialogue with Board members and it is not a question-incer period.

[4:02:06] Those conversations can easily occur with individual Board members outside of the Board meeting.

[4:02:11] As a reminder, the Board's procedure state knows citizens shall speak on any matter of business that is a subject on the Board's agenda for that day.

[4:02:18] And each speaker shall have three minutes to address the Board.

[4:02:21] We have five speakers that they'll please come forward and speak in this order.

[4:02:25] Tyler Moody, crew McElderry, Katherine McMahon, Courtney Burnhart, and Thomas Curl,

[4:02:33] for Speakers Tyler Moody.

[4:02:43] Sorry, I'm a very little talker.

[4:02:47] Good evening, members of the board, my name is Tyler Moody.

[4:02:50] I'm a resident of the Chesterfield County, specifically Chester,

[4:02:54] it's a man who has an ancestor home as a director student of Algonquin Tribes.

[4:03:00] I'm not here tonight on any behalf, on behalf of any political party nor am I criticized

[4:03:05] just for O'Kennie's public police department or Sheriff's Office.

[4:03:12] I have a tremendous amount of work they have performed over the years and I have respected

[4:03:16] and reported a lot of concerns.

[4:03:19] I'm going to pat my back for that.

[4:03:22] I'm an offensive security cyber professional, from over 20 years of experience and offensive

[4:03:26] operations, advanced pattern recognition, secure systems engineering, counter-intelligence, risk management,

[4:03:35] supporting world governments, the U.S. government health defense, and other agencies like

[4:03:40] the EPA. I think it's less.

[4:03:46] My career has always been dedicated to a identifying vulnerabilities

[4:03:49] before hostile actors can exploit them. From a cybersecurity architecture perspective, I believe

[4:03:56] significant technical and government risks that deserve greater public attention.

[4:04:03] I provided or will be providing a board member with a brief technical member in them.

[4:04:10] Along with that document I did not bring the QR codes.

[4:04:13] I was wrapping up the work but I do have this as well.

[4:04:17] There's stickers that contain an internationally recognized iCar cybersecurity test string.

[4:04:22] It's completely harmless, and I use it to illustrate simple engineering principles, even while

[4:04:28] understood non-malicious and puts can expose weaknesses and systems at robust, that lack,

[4:04:33] robust, inflate validation.

[4:04:38] A cyber security professionals evaluate these scenarios every day.

[4:04:43] Multiple surveillance infrastructure should be engineered and maintained to the same standards

[4:04:48] we expect from every other critical public system.

[4:04:51] If extremely simple inputs, like in our garage frame, can reveal a weakness in public technology,

[4:04:58] then even remotely sophisticated criminal organizations and foreign nation-state actors

[4:05:03] like advanced persistent threats can easily identify exploit, identify and exploit far more significant ones.

[4:05:12] This is why cybersecurity must be designed in these systems, not added after deployment.

[4:05:16] But when I concern extent beyond that, this is also about privacy, constitutional governance,

[4:05:24] accountability, and public trust.

[4:05:26] Automated license rate readers create historical records of where people travel, while

[4:05:33] a single observation on a public roadway may reveal very little, thousands of observations

[4:05:39] and telemetry collected over weeks or months, or months, can reveal deeply personal information.

[4:05:46] where someone worships, receives medical care,

[4:05:50] attends political meetings, does it family members?

[4:05:53] I'm assuming you're three minutes a row.

[4:05:55] Oh, thank you, thank you.

[4:05:57] Appreciate it.

[4:06:25] Can I start?

[4:06:27] Yes.

[4:06:27] I'm a great subject.

[4:06:30] I'm a great subject.

[4:06:33] Hi, my name is Kuma Keldre.

[4:06:34] I just finished fifth grade at Old Thunder Elementary School.

[4:06:37] I have some points to address.

[4:06:39] One, no, I was not forced to speak.

[4:06:41] In fact, I asked to speak at this board meeting.

[4:06:43] So my mom registered me too. No, I did not aid the speech. These are all these in my words my thoughts in my research

[4:06:49] Great. I know I may just be 11 years old. However, I can believe I believe I can make a change

[4:06:54] I've strong integrity, especially when it comes to social justice fairness environmental protection and what is deemed good music

[4:07:01] Tonight I have three issues. I wanted to address of Cecil County first data centers and due to my three-minute

[4:07:07] time limit that that's all I'll get into this time. So let's jump in

[4:07:11] The data centers are big problems to every living organism.

[4:07:15] I learned in science class as a Virginia resident, I have the responsibility to protect

[4:07:19] my environment, not polluting, not to showing it.

[4:07:21] Leave no trace but footprints, take nothing but pictures, kill nothing but time.

[4:07:25] Although the author of this quote is anonymous, it still has this significant meaning.

[4:07:29] So powerful that the US National Park Service adopted it for the leave no trace movement.

[4:07:33] So why is this relevant?

[4:07:36] The data center goes against everything mankind has ever stood for.

[4:07:39] If this concrete joke goes up, the land that was there will never be the same.

[4:07:43] The data center takes precious land, resources, and displaces wildlife.

[4:07:48] The data center uses a lot of water. A lot.

[4:07:50] I know they say they will utilize closed loop systems, but that's not happening.

[4:07:54] Did you know that a Google facility in Bautata County is permitted to use two millions

[4:08:00] gallons of water each day? That doesn't sound like water conservation to me.

[4:08:04] 2 million gallons. That's enough for 6,667 households every day.

[4:08:10] A net-to-fill 50,000 bathtubs, a net-to-fill 16 million

[4:08:13] Stanley's water bottles. Board of Supervisors, how is this okay?

[4:08:18] Our land project sky would span more than 880 acres.

[4:08:23] Guys, that's largely the Bush Gardens in Kingston,

[4:08:24] Indian combined. Lock, locking sky land has water runoff that drains into deep

[4:08:30] creek and swift creek reservoir, which is our water supply.

[4:08:34] Did you know that Google is asking you to destroy 18 acres of protective wetlands and 8,115 feet of Virginia streams all for the data centers?

[4:08:43] Google does not care about test-to-field.

[4:08:45] We were just an easy target.

[4:08:47] Board of Supervisors, I again respectfully ask you, how is this okay?

[4:08:52] I also heard electric bills will go up.

[4:08:54] And she just might be with that.

[4:08:55] We wanted a swimming pool.

[4:08:57] But our parents said it would cost much to see.

[4:08:59] And that for kids is expensive.

[4:09:01] But now we find out that data centers are going to cause our electric bill to go up anyways, which no one approved or voted on.

[4:09:08] And now my parents will be forced to spend their money on increased bills and in this whole deal we won't even get our swimming pool.

[4:09:14] In all seriousness though, for the supervisors, how is this okay?

[4:09:18] Approving, approving increasing utility bills on your people.

[4:09:21] Chesterfield residents did not ask for this.

[4:09:23] Many came afford this ask yourself, how is this legal honest or fair?

[4:09:28] Let's talk about the noise.

[4:09:29] The noise of these things are undeniable and unforgivable.

[4:09:33] Listen to this recording.

[4:09:35] Mr McGill, I'm sorry.

[4:09:37] I'm sorry.

[4:09:38] I'm sorry.

[4:09:53] I'm sorry.

[4:09:55] Okay.

[4:09:57] That noise is 24 hours today, seven days a week.

[4:10:00] This recording is from Data Center's right here in Virginia.

[4:10:03] This noise is destructive.

[4:10:04] The humans farm animals crops and wildlife.

[4:10:06] That point brings me right back to the lessons I learned in fifth grade science class.

[4:10:10] We've no trace.

[4:10:11] NDA, data centers, let's talk about NDA.

[4:10:14] What does that even mean?

[4:10:15] My mom had to explain this part to me.

[4:10:16] It means non-disclosure agreements.

[4:10:18] I'm going back even further in my life.

[4:10:20] Back to when I was just a boy.

[4:10:22] I was talking to be honest, and if I was honest,

[4:10:24] then I could be proud of who I am.

[4:10:26] I see me in some moral virtue of speaking and acting

[4:10:28] seriously characterized by refusal to lie, to see, or steal.

[4:10:32] This goes beyond just telling the truth.

[4:10:34] It's having integrity.

[4:10:37] It is making sure what you say, what you do, and what you value,

[4:10:40] are all in line. Data centers and big tech companies are sweeping every ounce of honesty in the

[4:10:45] integrity from our community. And from our board of supervisors, if I can see that I just 11,

[4:10:50] why can't you? I'm opposed to data center sky and lock. I'm opposed to our beautiful

[4:10:54] state of Virginia being overwhelmed by any more AI development anywhere. This time, the time is

[4:10:59] now to say no to data centers. Board of Supervisors, my name is Kremlin. I urge you to stand up and

[4:11:04] I know, listen to your people, and leave no trace.

[4:11:25] All right.

[4:11:26] Thank you, girl.

[4:11:28] Don't forget to stool.

[4:11:33] Hi, job.

[4:11:47] Thank you.

[4:11:50] Katherine McMahon.

[4:11:59] I'm incredibly nervous to be following that.

[4:12:03] Before I start, Ms. Wilson, we had spoke about the fact that I was going to deliver

[4:12:07] some documents to the board, so I do have those if there's an officer or someone who'd be

[4:12:11] willing to hand them to the board.

[4:12:15] Yeah, absolutely.

[4:12:17] I do have one for you as well, Mr. Harris.

[4:12:20] Okay, but I'm happy to speak while that happens.

[4:12:22] I'll put them right up here.

[4:12:25] Good evening.

[4:12:26] Supervisors.

[4:12:26] My name is Catherine McMahon.

[4:12:28] I'm a lifelong Midlothian resident who will be within four miles of eight of the

[4:12:33] data centers being built in Chesterfield.

[4:12:36] I was last up here two months ago when I announced that the

[4:12:40] data center defiance community coalition had launched a petition calling for transparency and accountability

[4:12:46] on the more than 20 individual data centers approved or proposed in our county. I'm here to

[4:12:53] formally deliver that petition to you today. In the two months that followed, the petition has been

[4:12:59] signed by more than 2,500 test-to-field residents and our neighbors in the greater Richmond area

[4:13:04] And a company, thank you, and a company by over 750 emails to the county demanding an end to future approvals on any data center developments in test or field.

[4:13:15] Your constituents have made their stance clear.

[4:13:18] What's missing is meaningful action on the county's behalf.

[4:13:24] And I'll just generally say, I saw the website, a website is not enough.

[4:13:28] Last week's Google Open House events are not enough.

[4:13:32] Let me tell you a few things that we've heard from residents about last week's events.

[4:13:38] We had about 60 families who were generous enough to sit with us afterwards and share their experience at Google's open houses.

[4:13:45] Out of 60 families, two of them said they felt like their questions were answered.

[4:13:51] More than 40 families said they were actively considering leaving Chester Field because of data centers.

[4:13:58] Many residents came to us and asked us why these events weren't formatted as a town hall,

[4:14:03] and so we brought that question into the Google Open House events, and we were told by a rep

[4:14:09] that they chose not to do a town hall because they can get too emotional.

[4:14:16] Imagine being emotional

[4:14:17] about what's being built in your backyard. Imagine being emotional about what's being done to your

[4:14:22] water and to your air. Imagine being emotional about what's happening to your home.

[4:14:28] The community demands a true public hearing on the Google data centers.

[4:14:33] And I want to be really clear that a Board of Supervisors meeting,

[4:14:36] where Google gives a presentation and then you guys handpicked,

[4:14:40] pre-submitted questions will not be enough either.

[4:14:49] We demand an interactive public hearing that includes facilitated conversations

[4:14:54] between the community and Google, the Board of Supervisors and the Chesterfield Economic Development.

[4:15:00] Authority, where there is plenty of time for citizens to ask questions and collectively receive

[4:15:05] real answers in the room as a group. Supervisor Miller, Supervisor Schneider, you both have said

[4:15:13] in multiple settings as recently as last week, the county is considering a moratorium on data

[4:15:19] centers. Words are not enough. The community wants an end to any further data center development

[4:15:26] in-test their field that is incorporated into county code.

[4:15:29] Ms. McMan, you three minutes, Rho.

[4:15:31] Thank you. I have one more sentence.

[4:15:33] There is no more room to claim that you have not heard from residents.

[4:15:37] Your constituents are here.

[4:15:39] They are telling you what they want.

[4:15:41] And now it's time for you to fulfill your responsibility as representatives of our community.

[4:15:45] Thank you.

[4:16:04] Good evening.

[4:16:06] My name is Courtney Bernhardt. I'm in the Losey and resident.

[4:16:08] And I'm here tonight with Davis Center Defiance.

[4:16:10] I don't have a rallying speech.

[4:16:12] But I want to talk about air quality and air pollution from data centers and what I think

[4:16:18] respectively that you can still do to ensure that your residents are not exposed to unnecessary

[4:16:24] air pollution.

[4:16:27] So, Google's proposed data centers, like most of Virginia, are applying for minor source

[4:16:31] air permits.

[4:16:33] DQ keeps those out of public review and comment unless they can be convinced that there's

[4:16:37] significant public interest.

[4:16:39] I think there's significant public interest.

[4:16:43] So, minor is a misnomer.

[4:16:47] Google sites will be synthetic minors.

[4:16:49] And those are major sources that have accepted a handicap,

[4:16:54] essentially taking or agreeing to install pollution controls

[4:16:57] or taking operational limits in order to have weaker permits

[4:17:02] with no public participation.

[4:17:05] Major sources, that sounds like heavy industrial to me.

[4:17:09] So, I've worked with her decade at a national nonprofit that advocates for effective enforcement

[4:17:14] of environmental laws.

[4:17:16] So, I went and I pulled the violation notices that the Q has issued data centers across

[4:17:21] the state, including one for Google, and I wanted to see what we could learn and how well

[4:17:29] data centers complied with their permits.

[4:17:32] Here's what I found.

[4:17:33] So 12 data centers, campuses, began construction or installed generators without a permit.

[4:17:39] 14 failed their first tech tests, including Google, and that test covers just a handful

[4:17:44] of generators on site.

[4:17:47] 9 ran generators outside of emergency situations, a burn too much fuel, 6 succeeded hourly

[4:17:52] or annual mission limits, and 17 more than half failed their notification reporting or

[4:17:58] are keeping obligations. And that's the paperwork that proves compliance in the first place.

[4:18:04] So DQs oversight, respectfully, is very light. It means heavily on what the industry reports

[4:18:10] about itself and an inspects minor in synthetic minor sources, very infrequently.

[4:18:16] And you may be wondering how Google came back into compliance. They asked DQ to increase their

[4:18:22] So, meanwhile, our electric grid is under strain and data centers, and we need to run back up around site generators more frequently in the future.

[4:18:31] I wouldn't put that out of mind. This is why public input into permitting really matters.

[4:18:38] Despite company statements, compliance isn't guaranteed, and permit conditions may not protect those living downwind,

[4:18:44] especially during short-term high-intensity emission events

[4:18:48] when they go un-inforced.

[4:18:51] This county, I think it's the administrator,

[4:18:54] must certify whether a site is suitable

[4:18:56] for a new source of industrial air pollution.

[4:18:59] Many of us do not believe lock-ins guy qualify.

[4:19:03] They sit next to schools and homes

[4:19:05] and calling them an employment center,

[4:19:07] white watches what these are.

[4:19:08] They're massive, energy-hungry industrial facilities

[4:19:10] that have a potential to emit a lot of air pollution.

[4:19:13] Ms. Furnhard, you're three minutes or so. Okay, thank you. I have a little, yeah. So I ask that you don't

[4:19:19] rubber stamp the remaining site certifications that you have the opportunity to reveal. I ask

[4:19:25] at a minimum that you insist that the Google data centers and any other under consideration

[4:19:30] in the permitting process meet the tier four generator standards before you certify. And I know for

[4:19:35] fact, peanut will not meet those standards. Part of sky will not meet those standards based on the

[4:19:43] ask these companies to model their air pollution.

[4:19:46] They're not required to do that as minor sources

[4:19:48] with intermittent claiming for intermittent operation.

[4:19:53] But they can do it.

[4:19:54] It's possible.

[4:19:56] And please do what you can to get D2 to a public participation

[4:19:59] in minor source air permitting processes.

[4:20:02] So thank you.

[4:20:18] The little man stole the show.

[4:20:20] I don't know how to do better than that.

[4:20:23] Good evening, Board of Supervisors.

[4:20:24] My name is Thomas Curl.

[4:20:26] I'm speaking on behalf of Chesterfield Citizens

[4:20:28] for Responsible Government.

[4:20:30] I'm going to talk about the email that I sent you last week

[4:20:33] after the Google meeting at Bright Point College.

[4:20:37] What happened at last night's Google meeting

[4:20:38] at Bright Point Community College

[4:20:39] was disgraceful and deeply disturbing.

[4:20:42] Chesterfield Citizens came peacefully to ask questions

[4:20:44] about a project that could affect their home,

[4:20:47] schools, taxes, environment, and quality of life.

[4:20:50] Instead, they were met with excessive police

[4:20:52] and security presence that made ordinary citizens

[4:20:55] feel as though they were entering a high security operation rather than a public meeting.

[4:21:00] Even more alarming, I personally observed multiple planes close men inside the meeting,

[4:21:05] rooms carrying concealed-block handguns.

[4:21:08] When I approached them and asked who they worked for, who hired them,

[4:21:12] who authorized them to carry weapons inside a public college building,

[4:21:15] they refused to answer.

[4:21:17] Now, I, as a law-abiding concealed gun handgun,

[4:21:20] Permit holder. I'm permitted from carrying my clock in that same building. Yet these unidentified

[4:21:27] arm to men were apparently permitted to circulate among residents without identification,

[4:21:32] explanation or visible accountability. When I raised this obvious double standard, my concerns

[4:21:37] were just dismissed. Chesterfield Board of Supervisors and Interim County Administrator, Matt.

[4:21:44] Who were these armed individuals? Were they law enforcement officers, private security contractors,

[4:21:49] Google personnel, county agents or FBI or ICE agents, who hired them, who authorized them to carry concealed firearms inside the meeting rooms.

[4:21:57] What specific threat justified this extraordinary response?

[4:22:01] How many officers and security personnel were deployed?

[4:22:04] Decide of unidentified armament monitoring and filming, and let me clear,

[4:22:10] filming, and identify all three of them, as citizens at a public community meeting,

[4:22:15] is something the public should find revolting.

[4:22:17] This was not transparency.

[4:22:20] It was secrecy, intimidation, and a shameful treatment of the very citizens are elected

[4:22:25] officials.

[4:22:26] You are supposed to represent, residents should never be made to feel threatened, merely

[4:22:31] for attending a public meeting and questioning their government.

[4:22:34] The Chesterfield Board of Supervisors and Matt Harris, O'The Publicer Complete and Immediate

[4:22:38] Explonation.

[4:22:39] Please respond.

[4:22:41] I have not received a formal response.

[4:22:44] I've asked several of you how you can justify videotaping innocent citizens, board of supervisors, we're not China.

[4:22:54] Well, this is Chesterfield County, Virginia, as you remind us often.

[4:22:57] So the question I have is how many undercover officers are here tonight.

[4:23:01] For the record, I think I've identified one.

[4:23:04] So members of the board, the bright point meeting should really prompt serious introspection.

[4:23:11] Citizens came seeking transparency and honest answers.

[4:23:15] This just trusted did not disappear or did not appear overnight.

[4:23:18] It grew from closed door decisions.

[4:23:20] In the A's, limited public notice, meeting formats that restrict genuine public dialogue.

[4:23:26] It's the curly your three minutes, Rob.

[4:23:28] I'm almost finished.

[4:23:29] Thank you.

[4:23:30] Susan, the board must stop blaming the citizen frustration on misinformation or politics.

[4:23:36] And you need to ask the harder question.

[4:23:38] What has this board done to damage public trust?

[4:23:42] Let me repeat that.

[4:23:44] What has this board, all five of you've done,

[4:23:47] to damage the public trust?

[4:23:49] You need to look yourself in the mirror gentlemen and ladies.

[4:23:52] Trust will not be restored through descriptive events,

[4:23:55] heavy security or controlled messaging.

[4:23:57] It requires humility, accountability, openness, as we've talked about Jessica,

[4:24:03] and meaningful citizen involvement.

[4:24:05] The citizens are not the problem board, the breakdown of trust is the problem, and repairing it is your responsibility.

[4:24:16] Thank you for your time.

[4:24:30] Madam Clerk.

[4:24:31] Item 17 deferred items from previous meetings we have.

[4:24:35] Item 18 zoning requests. Mr. Chair, you have four zoning requests on your consent agenda for this evening for the benefit of the public consent items are those cases where the applicant accepts

[4:24:46] staff's recommendation, and there is no previous opposition.

[4:24:50] With all the consent cases tonight, staff has received written confirmation from the applicants

[4:24:55] that they agree with the conditions being imposed, and that all properties are offered

[4:24:59] in compliance with state law.

[4:25:01] First is 26 SN2032 in Metallica Magistarial District.

[4:25:06] Duval East's lot coverage modification is a request for a zoning deviation to modify an existing

[4:25:12] development, case 22SN0035, relative to organizational requirements, and I semi-urban neighborhood

[4:25:20] SU District on 100.1 acres, fronting approximately 2,025 feet on the south side of Duval Road,

[4:25:30] on property known as 1-8-001 Duval Road. The applicant is requesting a modification to a

[4:25:37] previously approved zoning case that included a conditional use plan development for exceptions

[4:25:41] to ordinance requirements after the initial zoning approval the applicant determined that the

[4:25:47] proposed residential product types could not meet the 30% lot coverage limitation provided

[4:25:53] in the residential R12 district. Therefore the applicant is proposing to increase the slot coverage

[4:25:59] limitation to 50% to allow for larger dwellings on lots within this proposed subdivision.

[4:26:05] Planning Commission and staff recommend approval subject to the conditions in your staff report.

[4:26:10] Thank you, Madam Clerk.

[4:26:12] Everyone, this is a public hearing on case two success in 2032,

[4:26:16] devalued east a lot coverage of modification.

[4:26:19] Does anyone like to speak to this case of so, please come forward and state your name.

[4:26:30] Seeing no one, I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing.

[4:26:33] It's back before the board.

[4:26:34] This case is in the bentoica district, Mr. Carroll.

[4:26:42] Mr. Chair, what this case does is allows for a little bit bigger footprint of a house to be built,

[4:26:49] which would be consistent with the other houses that are built in the area.

[4:26:53] The original case came through in 2022.

[4:26:57] It would have been several of the cases that have been approved in that area since then,

[4:27:01] and this would just make it for a little bit bigger house to be able to put on a lot

[4:27:04] than what is currently allowed.

[4:27:07] I don't think we had anybody come out and speak against the case

[4:27:10] at the community meetings or at the planning commission.

[4:27:13] I haven't received any emails in our position.

[4:27:15] I make a motion to approve case number 26, SN203 to subject to the conditions in the staff

[4:27:23] report.

[4:27:23] Thank you, Sekeral.

[4:27:24] Can I have a second?

[4:27:26] Second.

[4:27:27] All right.

[4:27:27] Any discussion?

[4:27:29] All of your say aye.

[4:27:30] Aye.

[4:27:31] You want to post.

[4:27:32] Madam Clerk.

[4:27:33] Next is 26, SN2062 in the mid-Lothian Majestyial District.

[4:27:38] Rathbund Family Daycare Home is a request for conditional use to permit a family daycare

[4:27:43] and a suburban community SC District on 0.54 acre, known as 2400 Devon Wood Road.

[4:27:51] The applicant is proposing the care about the eight children from the home, planning commission

[4:27:56] and staff recommend approval, subject to the conditions in your staff report.

[4:28:01] Thank you, Madam Clerk.

[4:28:02] Everyone, this is a public hearing on case 26SN 2062, Rathburn, Family Day Care Home.

[4:28:10] Is there anyone who would like to speak to this case of so please come forward and state your name?

[4:28:25] Please, in Jared honor.

[4:28:27] I brought this up with planning.

[4:28:30] This is an ideal location for daycare center.

[4:28:35] They have a fixed end by yard.

[4:28:38] Somewhere along the line, you guys need to put in your code or whatever you call it.

[4:28:43] If you want a daycare center, you have to have a fixed end yard.

[4:28:46] If you don't have that, you can have a daycare center, but you need to move to another location.

[4:28:53] These kids are going to be outside.

[4:28:55] They need to have a place to play outside.

[4:28:58] And you can't just let them turn them loose.

[4:29:01] So, this is what you need to have.

[4:29:05] And somehow you guys need to use your authority

[4:29:09] and make it part of the requirement.

[4:29:12] Because you'll go good and well if they, you code people when in there

[4:29:15] that they don't want to have one door, y'all want to let them open that place up, so make that part of the requirement, they have to have a fifth in your art, thank you.

[4:29:25] Thank you, Mr. Turner.

[4:29:27] Anyone else would like to speak to this case?

[4:29:32] Seeing no one, I'm going to go ahead and close this public hearing.

[4:29:34] It's back before the board.

[4:29:36] This case is in the middle of the industry.

[4:29:39] I agree with you, Mr. Turner, that I think the state has been open for some time.

[4:29:43] is my understanding and they just want to increase the number of individuals that they're able to take care of.

[4:29:52] So I feel comfortable to go ahead and move in approval of case two success and two zero six two subject to the condition.

[4:30:00] In the staff report, could I please have a second?

[4:30:02] Second. Any discussion? All of favor? Anyone opposed? Madam Clerk.

[4:30:10] Next is 26SN-2109 in Bermuda Magisterial District Skiper's Law and Service Incorporated Renewal

[4:30:19] is the request for conditional use to permit a home occupation, landscaping contractor

[4:30:23] without side storage in a suburban community SC district on 0.47 acre known as 10816.

[4:30:33] This request represents a renewal of prior zoning approval case 16SN-0683 to continue

[4:30:42] the operation of a landscaping and law and service business from the applicant's residents.

[4:30:47] Planning Commission and staff recommend approval subject to the conditions in your staff report.

[4:30:51] Thank you, Madam Kirk. Everyone, this is a public hearing on case two success in two one zero nine

[4:30:58] Skipper's law in service in corporate renewal. Is there anyone who would like to speak to this case?

[4:31:03] If so, please come forward in the state your name.

[4:31:08] Seeing no one, I'm going to go ahead and close this public hearing.

[4:31:10] It's back before the board. This case is in the Bermuda district. Mr. and this is an existing business.

[4:31:18] They've had no violations. They've had no complaints and their neighbors are still okay with them.

[4:31:25] So they must be doing a great job working with the people that surround them.

[4:31:29] So with that, I'm going to make the motion to approve case 26S and 2109 subject to the conditions

[4:31:36] in the staff report.

[4:31:37] Second.

[4:31:39] Any discussion?

[4:31:41] All in favor say aye?

[4:31:42] Anyone opposed?

[4:31:44] Madam Clerk.

[4:31:45] Last on your consent agenda is 26SN2129 in Dale Magisterial District, Jennings Family Daycare

[4:31:52] is a request for conditional use to permit a family daycare home, child, and a semi-urban

[4:31:59] neighborhood issue district on 0.25 acre known as 6 9 1 1 able road. The applicant

[4:32:06] proposes to allow for the care of up to 12 children from the home. The applicant has been

[4:32:11] operating the family daycare home since 2021 and is requesting renewal of zoning approval

[4:32:17] for this use to continue operation on the property,

[4:32:21] planning commission and staff recommend approval,

[4:32:23] subject to the conditions in your staff report.

[4:32:26] Thank you everyone, this is a public hearing on case 26SN 2129

[4:32:31] Jennings, family,

[4:32:35] daycare home.

[4:32:36] Is there anyone who would like to speak to this case?

[4:32:38] If so, please come forward and see your name.

[4:32:43] Seeing no one, I'm gonna go ahead

[4:32:44] and close this public hearing,

[4:32:45] it's back before the board.

[4:32:47] This case is in the Dale District

[4:32:48] And that rounds out each one of us had one in case this evening.

[4:32:53] So Dr. Hillin.

[4:32:56] You know, as we look at making child care more affordable,

[4:33:00] I think that this is an important thing to have in our community,

[4:33:03] especially with people talk about having child care

[4:33:05] at their doorstep or close to where they work.

[4:33:09] By this being in the neighborhood, I can imagine

[4:33:11] it's going to be used by the residents in that area.

[4:33:14] So I'm happy to make a motion to approve case 26 SSN 21 29 subject to conditions in the staff report.

[4:33:25] Second.

[4:33:26] I hear a second any discussion?

[4:33:29] All in favor say aye.

[4:33:32] Opposed.

[4:33:33] Madam Clerk.

[4:33:34] Mr. Chair, you have two discussion cases.

[4:33:36] The first of which is 25 SN 1336.

[4:33:40] McConnell Recreational Vehicle Parking Miss Hatch.

[4:33:47] Welcome.

[4:33:50] Good evening, Mr. Chair.

[4:33:51] Members of the Board.

[4:33:52] Mr. Harris.

[4:33:53] Case 25, S.N. 1336 and the Bermuda Magisterial District.

[4:33:58] McConnell Recreational Vehicle Parking is a request for conditional use to permit the

[4:34:02] parking of a recreational vehicle in the SC district.

[4:34:06] The applicants are seeking their need approval to permit the parking of an approximately

[4:34:10] 40-foot recreational vehicle within the front property.

[4:34:15] The property is 0.46 acre in size and is earned SC surrounding properties in the area, or

[4:34:20] also is earned SC.

[4:34:23] The image on the left is a property which is highlighted in white and shown as improved with

[4:34:27] the single family dwelling and associated driveway.

[4:34:30] The image on the right is a comprehensive plan to use designation that, to this properties

[4:34:35] within the test-to-plan area, where the plan suggests the property is appropriate for

[4:34:39] residential uses at a rate of 2.5 units per acre.

[4:34:45] So as a way of background, in September 2025,

[4:34:48] the Department of Communion Enhancement

[4:34:49] received a concern that a recreational vehicle

[4:34:51] was parked outside of the rear yard on the property.

[4:34:55] The owners were subsequently issued a notice of violation

[4:34:57] and are now seeking conditionally

[4:34:58] suitable to permit the parking of the 40 foot RV

[4:35:01] in the driveway as shown in the picture on the side.

[4:35:04] The property is situated on a cold assac

[4:35:06] which results in a narrower, narrower, rude,

[4:35:09] front-edge than non-culticec lots.

[4:35:12] The house is centrally located on the property

[4:35:14] with a driveway terminating at a front-loaded garage

[4:35:17] as you can see in the picture.

[4:35:19] A concrete drainage ditch and culver is located along the front

[4:35:22] edge of the lot and runs underneath the driveway

[4:35:24] further limiting parking locations

[4:35:26] and screening opportunities on the property.

[4:35:29] For these reasons, the applicants are seeking

[4:35:30] to store the RV and its current location

[4:35:32] in the driveway in front of the dwelling

[4:35:34] that's shown in the picture.

[4:35:35] Should this request be approved, staff has developed conditions that would permit the parking

[4:35:41] of an RV on the property. Conditions include a limitation of one RV, no greater than 40 feet

[4:35:47] in length, non-transferable approval and minimum setbacks. I did just want to make a point

[4:35:54] of clarification. Condition one in the staff report lists the RV at 37 feet. It was clarified

[4:36:00] by the applicant that the RV is 40 feet in length. So if this request were to be approved,

[4:36:06] the condition would need to be amended to just note that the RV is for you feed and length.

[4:36:14] But the planning commission and staff recommend denial with the recent adoption of the updated

[4:36:18] zoning ordinance additional flexibility was provided to allow for the storage of RVs on residential

[4:36:23] lots not only within the rear yard but within the side yard. As long as appropriate screening measures

[4:36:29] are provided. At the time of the initial notice of violation, other properties that shared some

[4:36:34] similar lot challenges along legate place were cited for the storage of RVs and have since

[4:36:41] come into compliance through the relocation of RVs to other locations. If approved,

[4:36:47] a precedent could be established for recreational vehicle storage in this neighborhood without

[4:36:50] any measure of mitigation provided. Suffolk acknowledges the applicants desire to store the RV

[4:36:55] on their home as well as the challenges of maneuvering the RV to other locations on the property

[4:37:00] due to the topography presence of drainage ditches and the location of the house. However,

[4:37:06] the ability to screen or mitigate visual impact on surrounding neighbors on legate places not

[4:37:11] feasible. The driveway and the property appears to be approximately 65 feet long, resulting in

[4:37:17] over half the driveway's length occupied by the RBE, which further demonstrates the visual impact

[4:37:22] that the storage of the RV could have on this location and the future property owners along

[4:37:27] The property is not conducive to the storage of RV and there are likely no conditions that would mitigate the impact of the use on adjoining properties.

[4:37:36] That's end of my presentation and I'm available for any questions.

[4:37:40] For members, are there any questions for staff?

[4:37:45] Does the applicant present come ahead and come on and give your presentation?

[4:38:04] Good evening.

[4:38:05] Kevin McConnell, the property owner.

[4:38:07] I know it's been a long night, so I'm trying to make this brief.

[4:38:11] Understand the ordinance that applies to recreational vehicle parking.

[4:38:17] I also understand the ordinance that the county uses to define a recreational vehicle.

[4:38:27] The vehicle in question, the longest horizontal projection in one direction is 39 feet.

[4:38:34] The longest horizontal projection in the other direction is 12.5 feet, the total square footage

[4:38:42] therefore is 485 square feet. The county's definition in the ordinance applies to 400 square feet or less.

[4:38:52] My vehicle is not considered a recreational vehicle by the county definition. This case must be closed.

[4:39:01] Thank you.

[4:39:03] Any questions?

[4:39:04] Any questions for the applicant?

[4:39:09] Thank you.

[4:39:10] Everyone, this is a public hearing on case 25SN1336,

[4:39:15] McConnell Recreation of vehicle parking.

[4:39:17] Is there any would like to speak to this case of so please come forward

[4:39:20] and state your name?

[4:39:32] Welcome.

[4:39:33] If you want to bring them down, you can.

[4:39:35] Good evening.

[4:39:36] My name is Jenny Castle.

[4:39:38] I just wanted to say that I think that this lovely couple, I don't know if you've ever met them or talked to them, but they're lovely.

[4:39:44] I've met them two times now.

[4:39:48] They have this opportunity to retire.

[4:39:51] Do you see them sitting over here?

[4:39:54] That's them.

[4:39:55] They have an RV.

[4:39:56] They're blessed.

[4:39:57] They have this gift.

[4:39:59] It's parked in their driveway and a cul-de-sac.

[4:40:01] Who drove around picking out RVs parked in the parking lot in this neighborhood?

[4:40:06] Obviously someone. It's not hurting anyone. I just can't imagine that this

[4:40:12] family's RV is such a big deal that we would say, no, you can't have it here. It's

[4:40:17] not how many people drive down that road and see it every day. They've made every

[4:40:22] try to make every accommodation and I just think that we should really consider being a

[4:40:30] neighbor, and helping them have an RV that they're able to travel with and have family with,

[4:40:37] and it's theirs. I mean we've got way bigger fish to fry in the county than an RV,

[4:40:41] parking the cul-de-sac. So could you please consider letting them keep their RV?

[4:40:47] Because I think they really deserve to have their RV and their driveway.

[4:40:51] It's our right to have our property right. We should be good neighbors and help them do that.

[4:40:55] Thank you.

[4:41:06] Good evening. Good evening, Justin Goodman, 15201, James River Drive.

[4:41:10] You know, I do find it really odd that there is so much effort on this minute thing. This

[4:41:18] really is peanuts. You know, we step all over people's property rights left and right. They have

[4:41:24] a beautiful cold assac, the RV, you're saying it's not big enough for the driveway and stuff.

[4:41:29] Like when I'm saying the fact that this is even an issue, when there's so much more that the county should be addressing, this should get passed.

[4:41:40] You know, Ms. Calf will just spoke, I don't think I'm supposed to do that, so I apologize.

[4:41:44] But the previous speaker spoke really nice and there were half, and I'm just going to say they're like she said.

[4:41:49] There's way bigger fish to fry. It's really crazy that you're stressing out about this.

[4:41:54] But if it's an ordinance, you know, I think you guys should be enforcing all of the ordinances that

[4:42:02] and violations that are, you know, it's a Thomas Pickin' and Choosing, you got, this is a small fish,

[4:42:08] you got big fish to fry and, you know, I'll be back for public comment, but that's really it, you know,

[4:42:12] please, for them, approve it. That's all.

[4:42:26] Jerry Turner,

[4:42:29] there is an ordinance,

[4:42:33] and I'm sure the

[4:42:34] The neighbors around there don't want to be hostile towards them.

[4:42:39] They've got to have had a complaint because they wouldn't have come up to if they hadn't

[4:42:45] have been a complaint.

[4:42:48] If you're going to let this happen, then you need to take it, code up for whatever you

[4:42:54] ordered you got, and let people fight wherever they want to.

[4:42:58] If you're going to make an ordinance and force it, if you're not going to enforce it, do away

[4:43:03] with it.

[4:43:04] Thank you.

[4:43:05] Thank you, Mr. Turner.

[4:43:10] Anyone else who would like to speak on this case?

[4:43:13] I'm going to be heading close to public hearing.

[4:43:15] It's back before the board.

[4:43:16] This case is at the Bermuda district, Mr. Engel.

[4:43:21] Can the applicant come back up?

[4:43:27] Well, he's coming up, Mr. Minks.

[4:43:31] Just out of curiosity.

[4:43:34] He made a point that he believes that he's exempt and code

[4:43:38] can you weigh in on that?

[4:43:40] You know, actually, I think the planners are ready to do that.

[4:43:43] I'm sorry, plan is already to do that.

[4:43:46] I have not heard this square footage issue before, but I think Ms. Hatch can actually explain that under the bill.

[4:43:53] Can I get to any answer real quick, sir, for a conversation?

[4:43:58] Yes, yes. So the zoning ordinance is less recreational equipment as well as recreational vehicles.

[4:44:05] So the definition of recreational equipment means

[4:44:08] And trailer roads, boat trailers, house trailers, and it also includes pickup campers

[4:44:14] or coaches.

[4:44:16] So it is correct that recreational vehicle does have the square footage, definition,

[4:44:20] however, the use in the zoning, the restricted use includes recreational equipment and recreational

[4:44:27] vehicles.

[4:44:28] So this would, because this does not meet the restrictions, it would require conditional use.

[4:44:36] And do we have any complaints from the direct neighbors?

[4:44:42] I have not, throughout the duration of the case, I've not heard from the direct neighbors.

[4:44:46] It did come in as a, you know, a complaint through our community enhancement.

[4:44:50] I understand that.

[4:44:51] Yes.

[4:44:52] But I'm going to let you talk, sir, I promise.

[4:44:54] But through the duration of the case, I have not heard from any neighbors stop a session.

[4:44:59] And then,

[4:45:00] We did hear from before he submitted the application. He did reflect whose neighbors as well and he had not heard any concerns from direct neighbors.

[4:45:09] Okay. Thank you. Sir.

[4:45:17] Yeah.

[4:45:18] Can you speak to your neighbors?

[4:45:20] Kevin McConnell.

[4:45:21] No, your neighbors.

[4:45:24] At the beginning of this process, we followed the request for polling our neighbors.

[4:45:31] We sent letters to 16 neighbors, even people behind us who can't see our driveway.

[4:45:39] We got 11 responses back, not of a more negative. The other five we didn't hear from. We had a

[4:45:46] public meeting invited the same people. Nobody attended other than one who's not a neighbor.

[4:45:55] Do you have the 11 responses?

[4:45:59] Yes, I do.

[4:45:59] I don't have them with me, but I believe I sent them to Betsy.

[4:46:06] I'm going to defer this case.

[4:46:08] I like to get a copy of those letters.

[4:46:12] In the past,

[4:46:15] good, batter, and different.

[4:46:18] I have,

[4:46:18] I've approved a sawmill in a neighborhood,

[4:46:21] which I told people beforehand,

[4:46:23] there was no way they were going to get a sawmill.

[4:46:25] And the woman argued her case as you are, and I said, well, tell you what.

[4:46:32] You go get your neighbors to agree to a saw mill, and I'll let you have a saw mill.

[4:46:37] And lo and behold, she brought in 40 neighbors to allow them to have a saw mill.

[4:46:43] So guess what?

[4:46:45] They got a saw mill.

[4:46:47] I would like to see, I also think there's maybe a possibility for some mitigation with

[4:46:53] But if your neighbors on both sides of you and the neighbors in the cold of sacrifice with it, then I would take that into consideration.

[4:47:00] But I would like to spend some, I'll give you my number.

[4:47:04] I want to talk with your neighbors in the 11 that you reached out to look at their responses a little closer.

[4:47:11] And after I've had a chance to do that, I think I can do that in the next 30 days.

[4:47:16] And so I'm sorry for the delay, but it's better than the denial.

[4:47:21] So I'm going to make I'm going to make a motion to defer case 25s in 1, 3, 3, 6, to our August 22nd, 24, 26 August 26th board meeting and in between now and then we'll do some more talking and see if we can find a path forward for you.

[4:47:46] I'm not making any promises, but I will be glad to talk to you about it.

[4:47:50] You got it?

[4:47:50] In fact, you're the second.

[4:47:51] How much is second?

[4:47:52] Second.

[4:47:53] All right, I got a second.

[4:47:54] Any discussion?

[4:47:55] Yes.

[4:47:55] Question for Mr. Mink.

[4:47:57] We have to hold a hearing now on the deferral.

[4:47:59] I'll call you just vote.

[4:48:00] You can just vote on it.

[4:48:02] You've had a public hearing on the matter.

[4:48:03] Anybody could address any issue.

[4:48:05] There won't be a public hearing next month because it's already had a public hearing

[4:48:08] as much.

[4:48:11] I think I need some more time to be able to accept answers.

[4:48:16] Do you care that?

[4:48:18] Yeah.

[4:48:19] That's fine.

[4:48:20] That's what you need.

[4:48:21] That's what we'll do.

[4:48:22] Thank you.

[4:48:23] All in favor.

[4:48:24] Hi.

[4:48:24] All right.

[4:48:26] Madam Clerk.

[4:48:28] Mr. Chair, your last discussion.

[4:48:29] Case is 26SN205-8.

[4:48:32] Old gun communications tower.

[4:48:34] Mr. Ramsey.

[4:48:38] Good evening, Mr. Chair.

[4:48:39] Members of the board.

[4:48:40] Mr. Harris.

[4:48:41] Case 26SN205-8.

[4:48:43] the mid-Lothian magistral district, old gun communications towers, or requests to

[4:48:48] amend prior zoning approval, to replace an existing communications tower with a

[4:48:52] taller, monopole, telecommunication tower that will have sector arrays in a semi-world

[4:48:57] neighborhood district. The request is on 0.238, or on properties currently zones semi-world

[4:49:04] neighborhood, and located outside of a residential subdivision. Surrounding properties are

[4:49:08] in semi-world neighborhood.

[4:49:12] The first image on the left reflects an aerial

[4:49:14] the property and is also occupied

[4:49:16] by the existing telecommunications tower

[4:49:18] as well as one single family dwelling.

[4:49:21] Existing neighborhoods that

[4:49:22] adjoined the property include Penifer

[4:49:24] Park to the south and a resigning to the north.

[4:49:27] The second image on the right reflects

[4:49:29] the comprehensive plans land use plan for the property

[4:49:31] and it designates it for residential neighborhood

[4:49:33] one and the supports residential uses.

[4:49:38] A 199-foot monopole tower with sector ray antennas is proposed that proposed tower would replace

[4:49:44] an existing 100-foot slick-stick design tower with internally mounted antennas that received

[4:49:50] Zone Unapproval on 2015.

[4:49:53] The proposed tower will replace the existing telecommunications tower and be located within

[4:49:57] the same compound as highlighted in the area on the property of the red circle.

[4:50:03] This slide shows a conceptual tower elevation for this request, which will be 199 feet tall.

[4:50:11] The proposed tower will provide the infrastructure needed for rise and wireless, as well as other wireless carriers,

[4:50:16] to expand and improve their networks in this area of the county.

[4:50:21] The applicant has indicated the tower is proposed to address capacity issues with cellular service for the area,

[4:50:27] It would be designed to construct it to accommodate additional carriers, designed would minimize the need for additional towers in the area as well.

[4:50:38] The tower sighting policy requires that proposed towers be located at least 300 feet from off-site dwellings.

[4:50:44] The tower does not meet the minimum setback from an off-site dwelling that is currently under construction west of the proposed tower.

[4:50:51] The tower will be located approximately 269 feet from the nearest off-site dwelling on an adjacent property known as 11400 Pinter for Park Court.

[4:51:00] And this measurement is shown in the current slide, and this is a dwelling that's currently being constructed within the Pinter for Park subdivision.

[4:51:07] Staff is supportive of the proposed setback reduction, because the existing trees and vegetation remain on-site between the proposed towers compound and the existing dwelling.

[4:51:19] This zoning request proposes to amend conditions 3 and 6 of the original zoning approval to relative to the tower height and design.

[4:51:29] A condition regarding co-locations been added to the zoning case to ensure multiple carriers will be able to utilize this tower in the future.

[4:51:36] Additionally, a condition has been added to address a setback reduction from the proposed tower to an off-site dwelling.

[4:51:43] All other conditions of the previous zoning approval will remain in force and effect.

[4:51:49] Planning, planning, commission, and staff recommend approval of this request.

[4:51:53] The coverage for the existing telecommunications tower is limited due to the restricted

[4:51:58] height and design of the tower.

[4:52:01] The applicant's proposal is to provide enhanced telecommunication coverage to the surrounding

[4:52:05] area.

[4:52:06] The proposed tower will be built in the same locations the existing tower, and given the

[4:52:10] location the proposed tower in a densely wooded area below a ridge line, and being set back

[4:52:14] all the vulnerabilities. The taller tower will not be highly visible from nearby roadways

[4:52:18] in most area properties. While completely minimizing the visual impact of the taller tower

[4:52:23] at the dislocation is not feasible, the tower's location on the property with a required

[4:52:28] screening of the tower base will continue to minimize the visual impact.

[4:52:35] Additionally, the proposed

[4:52:35] tower design and height would accommodate additional users for co-location opportunities

[4:52:40] they're by negating the need for an additional tower structure in the area.

[4:52:45] And at the planning commission hearing staff had received 24 letters of opposition and two letters of support for this request.

[4:52:52] However today for the board says in comment portal we only received one letter of support.

[4:52:57] And at this point, I'd be happy to answer any questions from the board.

[4:53:02] Thank you, sir. Any questions for staff?

[4:53:07] Is the applicant present?

[4:53:21] Good evening, Mr. Chairman.

[4:53:22] members of the board, Mr. Harris. My name is Brian Prater with Williams Mollon, here at

[4:53:27] tonight on behalf of the applicant. You've got a long evening, so I will be brief Mr. Ramsey

[4:53:32] gave a great presentation filling in from Ms. Gibson who is hopefully enjoying her vacation

[4:53:36] and want to thank staff for all their efforts. Just want to touch on a few items in my presentation.

[4:53:43] Mr. Ramsey talked about the setback item. The county's tower policy when they consider reductions

[4:53:50] in that setback to an offsite dwelling, allow for that when there is an existing mature state of

[4:53:56] vegetation between the proposed tower and the offsite dwelling, and this visual shows that

[4:54:03] it's mature densely forested between, there's about 211 feet between the proposed monopole and

[4:54:09] the property boundary there. One of the things when they identify lack or gaps in coverage and

[4:54:17] capacity is the engineers come up with a search area ring.

[4:54:20] That's what you see on the screen here.

[4:54:24] And when there is a search area ring, Verizon Wireless

[4:54:27] and the developers look at all potential co-location

[4:54:31] opportunities within that ring,

[4:54:33] there are none in this area that we're suitable

[4:54:36] for additional infrastructures.

[4:54:38] So that is why a new tower is being proposed.

[4:54:43] And then one of the go-throughs, some of the visuals,

[4:54:45] I've ballooned tests and photosomes.

[4:54:46] I will go through those fairly quickly, and these were done prior to the application and show

[4:54:52] some of the visual impacts that will largely be obscured from view, but there are some

[4:54:57] instances where it could be visible.

[4:54:59] This is from old gun road east, but blown through small to see it here.

[4:55:04] This where that arrow is pointed, you can see it slightly over the tree line from robust crossing

[4:55:09] drive.

[4:55:10] And then this is another vantage point from Roby's crossing drive where you can kind of see it there.

[4:55:16] And then the balloon test helps drive the photo simulations, which it's from these seven different vantage points.

[4:55:22] And I will go through those fairly quickly for you.

[4:55:26] This is from Lady Maryam Place, and you can see even in the winter where there aren't trees on the trees,

[4:55:32] excuse me, it will be largely obscured.

[4:55:34] It's that yellow dash line in the middle there.

[4:55:37] This is from Landsdown Terrace, and similarly it will be obscured from view from this

[4:55:43] goal this act.

[4:55:46] This is from Old Gun Road East, and you can see it off there in the distance through the

[4:55:52] farm area.

[4:55:55] This is Ram's Horn Road, and again another example, when the leaves are off in the fall

[4:56:01] winter, it's still obstructed from view, and then Lady Alice on Lane, this is on the winter,

[4:56:08] you can't kind of see it over the if you look at that chimney just left in above just over

[4:56:15] that tree canopy line. Thank you. And then should have had the arrow on that one too. When you

[4:56:22] have the canopy up there and the leaves it will be obscured from view in this location.

[4:56:27] Robius crossing drive you can see it with the leaves on it's poking above that tree kind of in the middle.

[4:56:35] And then this is pinnifer park court and you can see it there without the weeds on just to the right of that ever grain that's a little tall with it.

[4:56:47] White lines are and then this is the same vantage point in the summer months where it is largely obscure and hard to see from this vantage point.

[4:56:55] And then one thing really want to touch on this is the coverage map.

[4:56:58] What you see in the grayish, sorry, the coloring is not great on this map.

[4:57:03] The grayish is the existing adequate coverage.

[4:57:05] What they consider adequate coverage is you can make calls, texts, you're not going to be able to reliably stream videos.

[4:57:11] The gray is the existing hundred foot slick stick hole.

[4:57:15] What you see in the teal and blue is the additional coverage and capacity that's provided by this proposed model poll.

[4:57:23] So there have been three major complaint areas.

[4:57:26] One is the Archer Springs community, the 55 and older community.

[4:57:30] Robies elementary and middle school, which does end the athletic fields that are there

[4:57:34] has little to no coverage, parents, weight and line, and are picking up their kids and

[4:57:39] can't make text and calls, and then Terrington as well.

[4:57:42] You can see with the proposed monopole, all of those areas, Terrington, not as much, but Robies

[4:57:48] elementary and middle school as well as Archer Springs would be included within that

[4:57:53] have some reliable coverage.

[4:57:57] One of the items we've heard a lot of concerns about

[4:57:58] is property values. This slide shows some statistics that a lot of home buyers

[4:58:03] consider wireless coverage as one of the critical items when they're

[4:58:07] considering a home purchase working from home, school from home, those are

[4:58:11] big factors when people are looking at their purchasing a new home. And then lastly,

[4:58:16] most importantly, public safety. I mentioned the 55 and older community that's near

[4:58:21] I mentioned Roby as elementary in middle school, 80% of 911 calls are from a cellular device.

[4:58:28] And when you don't have those coverage areas, you're going to have difficulty getting in touch with your first responders.

[4:58:35] Or first responders are getting having difficulty getting in touch with those other first responders.

[4:58:39] In fact, there was a recent incident, which you're all aware of with the two police officers in the K9 unit.

[4:58:46] Shortly after that Verizon Wireless got outreach from the county about how poor coverage impacted their ability to respond in that instance, and so they're looking at evaluation.

[4:58:57] That's a different part and not impacted by this tower, but that's just a real life example where the truly is a critical infrastructure for the public safety aspect.

[4:59:08] Try to be brief. That is my presentation. I can answer any questions you have.

[4:59:12] Thank you.

[4:59:13] My board, is there any questions you have for your

[4:59:14] the applicant?

[4:59:18] Seeing none, thank you so much.

[4:59:21] Everyone, this is a public hearing on case 26SN 2058

[4:59:26] Old Gun Communications Tower.

[4:59:28] Is there anyone who would like to speak to this case?

[4:59:30] So, please come forward and state your name.

[4:59:38] Can I need that little gentleman?

[4:59:40] This is doable.

[4:59:41] Yeah.

[4:59:42] Keep going, there you go.

[4:59:44] I used to be taller than this.

[4:59:46] Good evening.

[4:59:46] Where's the crew when you need them, man?

[4:59:50] My name is Jan Slesinger.

[4:59:53] I am here tonight representing two communities, actually.

[4:59:57] I am president of the HOA4.

[5:00:00] The bill is at Archer Springs, which Brian has already mentioned, that is a 55-plus neighborhood with 96 homes.

[5:00:08] And I think you all were passed out what I brought our letter of support signed by all 96 homeowners.

[5:00:16] And, secondarily, a neighborhood across the street from us, the gentleman who is president of their civil civic association was unable to attend tonight.

[5:00:27] his father-in-law, happens to live in our neighborhood, and so he asked if I would bring his letter of

[5:00:34] support and state their support for your approval for this. I think some things that are important

[5:00:44] to keep in mind are that, first of all, in our neighborhood, two thirds of the neighborhood is now

[5:00:49] in their 70s and 80s, almost everyone relies on a cell phone. There are very few land lines in

[5:00:56] neighborhood and since 2003 our ability to make and get calls has been steadily decreasing.

[5:01:06] To the point that we have a few months ago had an incident where a homeowner needed to

[5:01:12] call an ambulance and had to go halfway up the street in order to get the call to go through.

[5:01:17] We were fortunate that that was not life threatening at the time but had it been that probably

[5:01:23] could have become a very tragic accident or incident. And we also just in the last couple of

[5:01:29] days had a homeowner, excuse me, who has a security company, apparently their alarm went off

[5:01:37] and the security company tried to call three times, could not get the call through. The homeowner

[5:01:42] was not aware of that and suddenly the police were on the doorsteps scaring the hell out of them.

[5:01:47] Well, I mean, not because of the police, but they have just, it didn't know why.

[5:01:52] So, I would simply urge you to take, I mean, I know there are folks that don't want this because of the values of their home,

[5:02:00] or they don't want to see a tower, although I think Brian has suggested that quite well, or addressed that quite well.

[5:02:08] But for the bulk of us, this is a health and safety issue, and we really need a higher

[5:02:18] tower that gets the signal through to all of us in order to have peace in mind and confidence

[5:02:25] in our ability to communicate when we need to.

[5:02:28] Thank you very much.

[5:02:39] Hello again, Justin Goodman, 15201, James Werver Drive, down in French George.

[5:02:43] So, you know, I find it interesting, there's a setback requirement for that tower for a reason.

[5:02:50] Possibly for a health impact, maybe, you know, you didn't discuss any of the

[5:02:56] raised 5G, anything that comes off that. So, you guys are wanting to do a basically a conditional use permit to allow them to build this,

[5:03:05] which is actually going to encompass someone's home.

[5:03:07] Are you going to

[5:03:09] V8 code 8.01-225.1 is going to be gross negligence if that person, you know, because then it's all public record right now. Are you going to allow that person?

[5:03:20] There's building that house who's going to buy that, you don't have to answer.

[5:03:22] Are you going to inform them that you did this? Probably not, because that's what Calvin's do.

[5:03:28] But that is gross negligence, and I'm going to read that extreme carelessness showing a complete neglect of safety and absence of care.

[5:03:36] He knows what that means and really if y'all do this and that person ends up getting cancer later on

[5:03:41] There's a reason that setback is there. Okay. I've become an expert in in you know

[5:03:48] Electromagnetic radiation RF 5G all of these things and you know one thing that is really interesting

[5:03:55] And it is selfish and this is unfortunately the way the world is she's not worried about other people's property values

[5:04:03] That's actually pathetic

[5:04:05] Okay, how many people are going to be affected by that?

[5:04:08] You know, we have imminent domain going with all these other things that we'll talk to and

[5:04:11] public, you know, because I got to stay on topic.

[5:04:14] But it's she's going to fork over dollars for the people that'll lose property value over this.

[5:04:21] Definitely not.

[5:04:21] Is the county going to provide compensation to those people that are going to lose property

[5:04:27] value?

[5:04:27] Definitely not.

[5:04:28] Just like on the data center stuff that you're not going to.

[5:04:32] And, you know, she wouldn't want to be in the house that it's going to

[5:04:36] just to share a company.

[5:04:37] I am not going to let him sit in a tack in the other citizen in his community.

[5:04:40] Okay.

[5:04:41] If you want to, no, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[5:04:43] You should be polite about it, sir.

[5:04:45] Well, I'll read.

[5:04:46] I'll refrain.

[5:04:47] If you want to attack me, I got no problem with that.

[5:04:49] But he took the other citizen in the community.

[5:04:51] And she's from just a few accounting.

[5:04:53] And guess what?

[5:04:54] That's what then what he tells me, too.

[5:04:56] Here's the best.

[5:04:56] None, I'm not.

[5:04:57] I don't want to sell some.

[5:04:58] And each of Carol's made a legitimate, if you're going to continue to have this conversation.

[5:05:04] Are you guys going to compensate people for the diminishing property value?

[5:05:10] No.

[5:05:11] And I appreciate you correcting me.

[5:05:14] I don't really understand the core.

[5:05:15] I'm just getting started because I've brought boards everywhere.

[5:05:18] I mean, you know, unfortunately, I don't really know how I'm supposed to do this.

[5:05:22] But God's guiding me on the path.

[5:05:24] Okay.

[5:05:24] And how you actually outburst it is just going to show.

[5:05:27] I got 15 seconds left.

[5:05:29] Where is the information provided over the rays and all the effects that are coming off these towers?

[5:05:36] There was nothing on there about the health effects.

[5:05:39] The citizens voted 22 something.

[5:05:41] They don't want it.

[5:05:42] If you do it, you're seeing it already.

[5:05:43] I'll be back for the public comment.

[5:05:45] Thank you, sir.

[5:05:50] Thank

[5:05:55] you.

[5:05:55] Jerry Turner.

[5:05:58] We got people who stayed all night tonight.

[5:06:02] Usually they're gone by now.

[5:06:05] I'm not going to take credit for that, probably the data center probably call some of that.

[5:06:11] But I do encourage people to come out every time I go to one of these meetings and I'm

[5:06:16] not sure about how to do it to see sitting in, they may have felt sorry for a model.

[5:06:24] But anyway, y'all do what you got to do with this deal, but I just want to make sure that

[5:06:30] people know, I appreciate them showing up, whether they voted to or not, it's more than just

[5:06:38] the three of us here at the end of the night. Thank you very much.

[5:06:42] Thank you, sir.

[5:06:47] Sure, anyone else who would like to speak to this case?

[5:06:50] Yes, sir.

[5:06:51] Anyone else?

[5:07:02] Sarah Whitener from the Lothian.

[5:07:05] I just wanted to bring to the board's attention that there's not a lot of published peer-reviewed

[5:07:11] journals about the science behind the damages for 5G towers, but I think it's really important

[5:07:17] to do some research. I mean I think they have a really legitimate reason for wanting better

[5:07:22] coverage. So I don't know how this weighs on your choice but I do think that it's important to

[5:07:28] understand that there's a lot of links between EMS and 5G towers increasing the rate of mold

[5:07:35] and toxic microtoxins in an environment which would really have a huge impact on older homes in

[5:07:42] the area. I think that's important. I had set my children to a school with a 5G tower on it

[5:07:48] and we had a lot of health issues to uncover and it's a very mysterious and difficult process

[5:07:53] to pinpoint, which is why the data is really terrible. But I think there's also a lot of people trying

[5:07:58] hard to get it out there and it's worth doing some research on. I just wanted to share that.

[5:08:04] Thank you.

[5:08:05] Thank

[5:08:10] you.

[5:08:10] Anyone else would like to speak to this case?

[5:08:13] If now I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing, it's back before the board.

[5:08:17] This is in the mid-Lothian district.

[5:08:23] I understand the issue related to 5G and the concerns of the electromagnetic.

[5:08:33] When I am looking at these kind of issues, can I bring Mr. Amsey back up again if I could

[5:08:45] It's around as you still hear.

[5:08:50] We get the right room.

[5:08:53] Yes, sir.

[5:08:57] And I mean to the applicant.

[5:08:58] But I think it's important to come from you.

[5:09:02] My understanding is that there is spotty coverage

[5:09:06] had been low-theon middle school.

[5:09:08] Oh, sorry, at Robius middle school and Robius elementary.

[5:09:12] Is that true?

[5:09:15] Dr. Miller, I think that may come a little bit better from the applicant

[5:09:19] because they're the technology experts behind the propagation,

[5:09:22] perhaps, of some of the existing service that Verizon

[5:09:24] is trying to provide in the area.

[5:09:27] I have heard that through the process here,

[5:09:29] and they've given that information to staff it.

[5:09:30] Yes, coverage has been difficult in the area,

[5:09:33] but if you like, we can start really bring back up.

[5:09:36] Mr. McGrater, the address that you like.

[5:09:38] Thank you for that.

[5:09:42] That's the only question I had to free you.

[5:09:45] My thinking is that people will ask me

[5:09:50] know, how I make a decision or, and I, if I make everything a priority, nothing is a priority,

[5:09:55] which is what the challenge is here. And so what I am always thinking about as public

[5:10:03] safety, that is my number one priority. And the tower is already exists. It's already there.

[5:10:14] It's just going to be taller, so as far as 5G or whatever, we'll improve coverage, but there is some impact on some folks being able to see it.

[5:10:29] If this conversation was over 200 feet, it would not be something that I would approve or even move to approve, because then it would have a light on top of it.

[5:10:40] But it is under the one under the 200, and so I'm always going to put the kids first and

[5:10:49] The folks that live nearby if have them forbid something were to happen in our elementary school or in our middle school

[5:10:56] Okay, I just I couldn't live with myself if have them for a bid something were to happen there and they could not call for help

[5:11:06] and

[5:11:06] That is my overriding factor on this

[5:11:10] that I want to first make sure that when someone is in a 55 plus community and they dial

[5:11:19] 911, that there is someone on the way. And so that's where I am with it is that this

[5:11:28] is something that makes sense to me to approve. And with that I'm going to go ahead and

[5:11:34] move to a prove case number two six SN2058 subject to the conditions in a staff report.

[5:11:42] Could I get a second?

[5:11:44] It's two.

[5:11:44] I'll second.

[5:11:44] I have some questions.

[5:11:46] We've got a second and before we take a vote, let's go ahead and I'm had some discussion.

[5:11:53] I have the applicant come back up.

[5:11:56] Why are you coming up, Mr. Goodman?

[5:11:58] I apologize.

[5:11:58] You're absolutely right.

[5:11:59] I shouldn't have snapped at you.

[5:12:02] It's not okay.

[5:12:03] You were correct.

[5:12:04] I just get defensive sometimes, because I don't want people to get picked on, and you weren't trying to be mean, but we need to be sensitive of that, but I apologize to you, sir.

[5:12:18] We've had this discussion on the 5G come up with towers before.

[5:12:24] And the question that I have is, how often does the applicant test the towers?

[5:12:32] Because we know that there is a regulation on how much energy is supposed to be put out from these towers.

[5:12:39] The FCC requires that, but the truth of the matter is, the FCC requires the applicant to test.

[5:12:46] It doesn't require us to test.

[5:12:50] Am I right on that?

[5:12:51] I'm going to have to defer that to our RF engineer that is here.

[5:12:55] Well, the answer is, it makes will say I'm correct.

[5:12:57] And so what I would make a recommendation for this, Mr. Chair, is what we did in one of our other

[5:13:05] zoning, one of our other tower cases is to require periodic testing of the tower to make sure

[5:13:11] that it meets the FCC requirements that is being emanated from the tower.

[5:13:18] I think we required the last one to do it one at every five years, I think, is what we looked at.

[5:13:23] Now, the difference on that site certainly was the fact it was a county-owned site and it was

[5:13:27] proximity to, I think, a school, can't force you to do it, but I would say that I think

[5:13:34] it's a good practice, especially when we have towers in the neighborhoods and it's a good

[5:13:39] practice for the community. And then, and have some information put out about that, that

[5:13:45] area are meeting the requirements that you're supposed to meet on the towers. Because it is

[5:13:49] a difference now, whether most people, I think Mr. Goodman probably knows what I'm getting

[5:13:54] to talk about, when cell phones first came out was 800 megahertz, different than 5G.

[5:14:03] Even your microwaves, I think, operate at 2.8 gigahertz or pretty close to it, between

[5:14:08] 2.4 to 2.8 differences are at like 1800 watts, that's why they can nuke your food.

[5:14:14] We're talking them very low wattage, especially in your cell phones, which is why you actually

[5:14:20] have to put just tower up because the low wattage in the cell phones on the direct line of

[5:14:25] site have trouble hitting the tower to be able to do it.

[5:14:27] And it's not probably just one server on that tower, just probably multiple companies that

[5:14:33] have equipment on the tower.

[5:14:34] Am I right about that?

[5:14:37] So, which means you don't just have one cell phone server pushing out 5G, you have multiple cell

[5:14:43] phone servers that are pushing out 5G.

[5:14:45] And I think it's important, Mr. Chair, that we make sure that these towers do get

[5:14:52] I would ask Mr. Meeks, I'm not sure what tool we have to do then.

[5:14:57] I think I think what you're talking about is having.

[5:15:00] In addition, being as part of the approval that have to be in the amendment to the motion that was made, but a condition that just requires to be tested on a five year basis to make sure that it is meeting the FCC requirements.

[5:15:12] If I heard correctly your engineers here right now.

[5:15:15] Did I hear the right?

[5:15:15] I was going to ask if I could ask about what existing requirements for testing are with the FCC.

[5:15:22] Yeah,

[5:15:28] just to clarify, what federal law says you can consider the health impact on equipment

[5:15:35] that is functioning in accordance with FCC regulations, so that's what you're speaking

[5:15:41] to.

[5:15:42] Yeah, I mean, every step.

[5:15:44] Every step.

[5:15:44] Every time we do, we do a study before we put it in, looking at the maximum power that the

[5:15:53] Maximum permissive permissible exposures are on the ground level.

[5:15:58] This tower has been studied right now. There's no indication of any kind of level at the ground level.

[5:16:04] It would be over DMP.

[5:16:06] We don't currently.

[5:16:08] We review our power on our towers every kind of regular basis.

[5:16:13] I don't know what the exact review period is,

[5:16:17] but regular reports are done every once.

[5:16:20] So,

[5:16:23] sure.

[5:16:27] Thank you.

[5:16:28] Who are those reports shared with?

[5:16:30] They're a turtle.

[5:16:31] We also make submissions to the SEC.

[5:16:34] So, someone wanted to take a look at those reports.

[5:16:38] Would they have to FOIA the SEC to get the more they have.

[5:16:41] Oh, yeah.

[5:16:42] Oh, they online and available.

[5:16:44] Absolutely.

[5:16:44] They'd have to go through the SEC to get.

[5:16:47] But if they did, then how often do you do the testing?

[5:16:50] And we review our power settings on a regular basis every month pretty much.

[5:16:56] I just thank you.

[5:17:00] But even at maximum power, we're well within the limits for the SEC licenses.

[5:17:08] And you would have to do the same testing Mr. Chair after the new towers installed, correct?

[5:17:15] I don't understand the question.

[5:17:16] If you've got to put a new tower in which is what we're doing here, right?

[5:17:19] Is that a new tower?

[5:17:20] You're just adding additional hundred feet.

[5:17:23] OK, so yeah, you're going over high for a place.

[5:17:25] Oh, not high, yes, but, OK.

[5:17:27] OK, but you would end up having to do a test, right?

[5:17:30] Once you put the new extension on and you put all the equipment in place,

[5:17:35] then you'd be required to do a test.

[5:17:37] Yeah, we verify that all our transmeters are transmitting

[5:17:40] within the limits.

[5:17:45] Is that, does that satisfy you?

[5:17:48] Well, I think the problem is, and I'm not trying to be mean here,

[5:17:52] but the problem is that it's a little bit difficult

[5:17:55] for the community to get those tests.

[5:17:58] I think if we require it to be shared in some way

[5:18:01] and be done once every five years,

[5:18:03] I think it shows transparency on the part of the cell

[5:18:06] tower companies and it gives the community

[5:18:08] opportunity to see that they're operating

[5:18:10] when the parameters are supposed to operate in.

[5:18:13] It's just my two cents on that.

[5:18:17] It's something that we can work into the motion.

[5:18:21] I think what we're asking is if the test that they're going to be running when the tower is completed would be the same test they would be running every five years.

[5:18:34] And to make the results available.

[5:18:39] And to make it available to the county or to make it available.

[5:18:43] I think that he has a more precise word definition for what that test is.

[5:18:51] It has to do with the with the output.

[5:18:55] But he just he said it right now and I didn't take it down.

[5:19:03] Can you come to the mic please?

[5:19:05] That's it.

[5:19:13] He said maximum permissible exposure limits.

[5:19:17] Thank you.

[5:19:20] Your motion, Mr. Chair.

[5:19:22] The words you're using are maximum exposure limits.

[5:19:27] See you again.

[5:19:28] Permissible exposure limits.

[5:19:35] Now all of this will fall under the FCC's regulations in Perfeele.

[5:19:41] Those are all requirements for them to get their licensure.

[5:19:43] And would you be okay with sharing that with our planning every five years?

[5:19:49] I would have to consult with the towers, applicant.

[5:19:52] That's the towers I'll see.

[5:19:54] I think there might be some limitations on the county's requiring that's information

[5:19:59] to be made public, but I would want to confer it about that first.

[5:20:04] Mr. Chair, if I could.

[5:20:08] You know, Dr. Hill, do we have anybody in the county that would oversee

[5:20:13] that. So even if they did report every five years, I don't know if we have an employee here

[5:20:20] that would be designated to receive that. So I think it might be more of a logistical

[5:20:30] decision there. We're doing it now with other towers. We just required it with the Alberta

[5:20:35] Smith tower. So we have some money in the county that's doing it? So the company is going to be

[5:20:41] to do the testing and then send the report forward every five years.

[5:20:45] So, so if they don't, we'll let Jesse come up.

[5:20:51] I see Jesse Smith.

[5:20:53] So, yeah, the difference that I think you do to this, Mr. Carol,

[5:20:55] those are all the ones that are least properties of its county property.

[5:20:58] So, we have a least with those particular operators.

[5:21:01] We're able to get that information.

[5:21:02] We do typically hire a consultant out to review that.

[5:21:05] We don't have anyone on staff.

[5:21:07] We got some folks over at some of our facilities

[5:21:10] that have some knowledge of it. I think the other part should you decide to be for this, and they

[5:21:15] agree to it as the question is, once we have that information, what do we do with it? Do we

[5:21:21] do we mail it out to everyone with an uncertain radius or a particular neighborhood? And again,

[5:21:26] I think there's some questions on the tower side of whether or not they're grable to that.

[5:21:35] I think that's to do the test anyway, and it's FOIA, but anyway, so I don't understand why they

[5:21:41] would be a problem with reporting.

[5:21:48] And I think the concern right now is just

[5:21:50] there are a lot of federal limitations

[5:21:52] on what localities can or cannot require

[5:21:55] of a tower application and tower applicant.

[5:21:59] Well, I believe that's a viable position for them,

[5:22:03] but a viable position for us is no.

[5:22:10] There's no.

[5:22:12] So I mean, I'm trying to get to a place

[5:22:18] where we can look.

[5:22:20] This is one of the hardest types of cases we have.

[5:22:23] I talked to people about a case like this last week.

[5:22:27] When we have no coverage, we have lots of people

[5:22:30] that need coverage and ask for coverage

[5:22:34] and beg us to give them a tower.

[5:22:36] And where we have coverage that's decent,

[5:22:39] if somebody's trying to upgrade the service,

[5:22:43] we get a lot more pushback from the people in that area

[5:22:46] that have the service say we don't need any more service we're fine don't give us this

[5:22:51] tower and so we're left in a really precarious position because in some parts of the county

[5:22:59] people are literally begging us for the towers and other parts are saying please don't give us another

[5:23:05] tower and I mean what we have is citizens that literally have a health concern on one side

[5:23:13] to be able to get medical care and time. On the other side we have people that should

[5:23:20] have the ability to know what kind of frequencies are coming their way. I think there's

[5:23:27] a way we can get there if we need to defer the case for a month so that you can consult

[5:23:33] with them so that we can maybe get to a yes and that's okay with me if they don't want

[5:23:39] report it, which is FOIABLE anyways, I don't understand their concern with not wanting to

[5:23:45] have government overreach. I actually think some of the people that are saying we should

[5:23:50] be making you do this also have concerns with government overreach. Again, the dilemmas that

[5:23:57] we face on this board and why this is not an easy job to do. But if you can't share something

[5:24:04] that you have to report anyways then I don't know how I can support it and I don't want

[5:24:09] these people to go without a tower. So I don't know what we got to do here but there's

[5:24:15] got to be a way we can work this out and if there's not then I mean you're basically going

[5:24:20] to tell people you can't call 911 because we don't want to report our findings and I think

[5:24:26] That's ridiculous.

[5:24:28] So, Chair.

[5:24:30] Yes.

[5:24:31] Is there something that you could?

[5:24:32] Is there could you go out and make a phone call or conference to see if they

[5:24:37] will be willing to do it, and maybe we could come back to this case later on tonight?

[5:24:42] That would be preferable because we are also up against that.

[5:24:45] The shot clock actually does expire.

[5:24:47] So, this decision has been made a different way.

[5:24:49] It was not really an option for you.

[5:24:51] And that's why I asked to build something

[5:24:53] that you could.

[5:24:54] I mean, I understand that the citizens here,

[5:24:58] I understand both sides of the issue

[5:24:59] and I'm just like Mr. Angle here.

[5:25:03] I want to bring resolution to it.

[5:25:05] I want you to feel comfortable.

[5:25:06] And if maybe give you five or 10 minutes

[5:25:09] to call the ownership group to see it,

[5:25:13] you can build some consensus there, happy to do it.

[5:25:18] But you can imagine the predicament where

[5:25:20] we're in, in terms of trying to help out with the situation.

[5:25:26] So I'll yield my time back to Mr. Chair.

[5:25:30] I want to be very clear what we're asking from this applicant.

[5:25:34] What we're asking is that the individual make available, what they ultimately are testing,

[5:25:44] to ensure that they are in compliance with the FCC, and they're in compliance to what is

[5:25:50] levels. The question is, and I think Mr. Smith asked a great question, who's going to get

[5:25:56] that information and how is it going to be disseminated and whose responsibility is it

[5:26:02] to disseminate it? The truth is that this is on private land and the truth is that they're

[5:26:08] making a profit by having this. So I am all four public safety and I want my elementary

[5:26:16] in my middle school and the folks over at Archer Springs and Tarington and Old Gun and in the whole area.

[5:26:25] It Queen's Park to be safer because I do hear often that there is deep concerns when they dial 911.

[5:26:36] There isn't a signal to bring safety to where whatever is going on.

[5:26:41] So that's my question is what would you suggest or what would you ask your client to do that would satisfy the support?

[5:26:52] And if I may ask the question is would it be permissible to do testing in accordance with FCC regulations and making that available?

[5:27:01] I do not know off the top of my head of what's the frequency someone was

[5:27:07] wrong five years or a month every month.

[5:27:10] I don't know the frequency in which they test that.

[5:27:12] I know they have to do it before and shortly thereafter.

[5:27:15] But if we could tie it to the FCC regulations,

[5:27:18] I think that would be something that is more amenable to the applicant.

[5:27:24] Okay, so if we were to tie it, of course to the FCC,

[5:27:28] all we need to do is verify it or transparent.

[5:27:29] And how about the submitting it, just how do you feel about just submitting it with the conditional use permit and the planning would be responsible for if we can do

[5:27:50] that internally.

[5:27:52] We can do that internally, but your question is it comes forward and we can decide the dissemination methods is just getting it to the planning department.

[5:27:59] I think it's really what we're asking.

[5:28:02] Right, that's all nice.

[5:28:03] Right.

[5:28:04] Well also.

[5:28:05] So I think what you're saying is what we're talking about.

[5:28:09] Mr. Chair also.

[5:28:10] Dr. Kelly.

[5:28:12] If, if it's out of the range, the suitable range with the FCC pull back the license.

[5:28:20] Yes.

[5:28:21] Okay.

[5:28:22] Just want to make sure.

[5:28:24] So then we don't have to pull back our special use permit.

[5:28:29] They would already be pulled that by FCC.

[5:28:33] They cannot operate if they're outside the federal regulations in FCC.

[5:28:37] There's nothing that they could do.

[5:28:39] Mr. Carroll.

[5:28:41] I mean, that's the point of this.

[5:28:44] Is that someone needs a monitor, right?

[5:28:46] And if the FCC is monitoring it, we know that if they get it,

[5:28:50] and they look at the report.

[5:28:52] And they're going to do something about it.

[5:28:54] That's important.

[5:28:55] But our community,

[5:28:58] if the information is not available to them, they have no idea.

[5:29:03] Now, truth to matter is, and again, I don't want to deny the case I want them to have

[5:29:07] now a one-service, and I know how important it is.

[5:29:10] You mentioned the other case where we had the author involved shooting, and I was there,

[5:29:15] a self-funded work, all the police officers' phones, self-funded work.

[5:29:19] The people live in a neighborhood, their self-funded doesn't work.

[5:29:21] So I understand what it does.

[5:29:25] I just want to make sure that we're in the process,

[5:29:28] we're giving some assurance, as to the people

[5:29:29] of an area, that there is an accountability process

[5:29:35] with this, because I think a lot of people just

[5:29:38] don't think there is any other discussion.

[5:29:43] So what I would like to do is I would like to remove

[5:29:48] or withdraw my initial motion.

[5:29:52] And then I would like to make the disposition.

[5:29:56] I'm going to move to a proof case, two, six.

[5:30:00] 6S and 0258, subject to not only the conditions and the staff report, but also that you're going to make available to planning on a regular basis, which I'm going to define as once a year.

[5:30:19] For the next, well, once a year, two planning your reports for FCC, all reports have been submitted to the FCC.

[5:30:30] Mr. Minks have I forgotten anything.

[5:30:32] That's fine.

[5:30:32] Does that work?

[5:30:34] My board, does that make you feel comfortable enough to offer a second?

[5:30:41] Yeah, I'm sorry.

[5:30:42] They'll have to accept it, but if they, I will second the motion, they're going to have to go talk and decide whether they accept it.

[5:30:50] My one question is if there are no, if you go one year and there are, isn't a reporting requirement for that calendar year?

[5:30:59] Still, I still want you to submit it. I still want you to submit it.

[5:31:02] I still want you to submit it.

[5:31:02] If there's not.

[5:31:03] If there's not.

[5:31:04] If there's not.

[5:31:04] report to be.

[5:31:05] They're not short.

[5:31:06] What's it, met this would just be a, that they would be required to submit to you any report

[5:31:11] that they file with the FCC, but it may not be on a yearly basis.

[5:31:16] Okay.

[5:31:17] No.

[5:31:18] He said, he said, and he said.

[5:31:20] He said he said he said monthly, he says they tested, and he didn't say they submit.

[5:31:25] Yes.

[5:31:25] Yeah.

[5:31:26] We'd see if they are.

[5:31:27] And 10 is the beach transmit.

[5:31:29] They're going to be.

[5:31:29] Can you go to the microphone please?

[5:31:31] Can you say that again?

[5:31:33] We monitor the powers will we transmit at all the time constantly. Okay, if we see those limits, then we have to pull the power back. We do that

[5:31:44] We have all the time we're checking our power of making sure we're not exceeding any limits. Okay, and then we don't

[5:31:52] I mean, this is not a we don't go through a certification every month right here with the SEC free site. We have thousands and thousands of sales lines

[5:32:01] So, do you submit anything to the FCC?

[5:32:05] There's national submissions, but I'm not even sure what they look like.

[5:32:11] So, what would you suggest to be able to do?

[5:32:17] We're just one carrier.

[5:32:19] What are you going to do with the next carrier that comes on?

[5:32:23] I understand that, but we're going to take this one step at a time.

[5:32:26] Because each case I have found is as a zone unique conditions.

[5:32:33] So I'm curious to know...

[5:32:35] I think about the power itself.

[5:32:36] We've done it here.

[5:32:38] Right.

[5:32:38] You've done it here.

[5:32:41] Because right now it's only you Verizon.

[5:32:43] Correct.

[5:32:44] And we're not, not with this application.

[5:32:47] We're not adding any new technologies.

[5:32:50] We already are transmitting on six different frequencies there.

[5:32:59] So, there's a possibility that on this tower, going back to the applicant, that there could be additional

[5:33:06] provide service providers on their AT&T wherever.

[5:33:09] Yes.

[5:33:11] Yeah, but the tower owner still has to do the FCC testing for the whole tower, right?

[5:33:17] No.

[5:33:18] Each service has to do their own tests.

[5:33:20] We do our own submissions, yeah.

[5:33:22] So, you would have to add that as a part of your lease with anybody that puts on a ray on there.

[5:33:27] Well, we're not, Verizon isn't the power owner.

[5:33:33] Well, that's why he's going to have to call the power owner.

[5:33:36] If I made Verizon would be a tenant, they would be right.

[5:33:40] The towers LLC would, is the developer, they would lease the land from the property owner,

[5:33:45] put up the tower, they're already leasing the land, and put up the tower.

[5:33:50] And then each additional carrier T-Mobile AT&T would get a lease from the towers to put

[5:33:57] on a ray on that but you could ask each of them in their least to make FCC

[5:34:06] filings that they would normally have to make available to the county as part

[5:34:11] of your lease which because you're the ones asking for the tower you can do

[5:34:17] that. So I'd thank you probably got to make a phone call and find out if you can

[5:34:21] Get ESR now and that'll handle my decision.

[5:34:28] Understood.

[5:34:31] So I don't want to belabor this any longer.

[5:34:34] I'm going to withdraw the motion.

[5:34:36] I'm going to defer for 30 days.

[5:34:38] Sure.

[5:34:40] There's what they call the shot clock on tower approvals.

[5:34:46] And shot clock expires this Saturday.

[5:34:49] So you have to make this decision tonight.

[5:34:54] Why don't we take a five or ten minute recess and see if we take a recess for 10?

[5:35:05] Let's do this.

[5:35:07] Let's go to public comments and then we'll come back.

[5:35:11] Okay, I agree with you.

[5:35:12] We'll go to public comments and then we will go back to the rest of the public hearing.

[5:35:16] We already did a public hearing.

[5:35:18] We're talking very in.

[5:35:21] The citizens and comments at the unscheduled matters.

[5:35:25] Let's go there next.

[5:35:27] They've been waiting in the MMP.

[5:35:29] So let's do that and then we'll come back to the public hearings that we have.

[5:35:33] What ordinances and things like that.

[5:35:35] Does that make sense, Madam?

[5:35:36] Yes.

[5:35:37] Okay.

[5:35:37] Thank you for the clarification.

[5:35:39] All right.

[5:35:40] So we're doing item 20.

[5:35:41] That's the 15 minutes citizen comment period on unscheduled matters.

[5:35:45] This time is designated for citizens to talk to the Board of Supervisors.

[5:35:49] It is not a time for dialogue with board members and it is not a question answer period.

[5:35:53] Those conversations can easily occur with individual board members outside of the board meeting.

[5:35:58] As a reminder, the board's procedure state knows that a sense shall speak on any matter of

[5:36:02] business that is a subject on the board's agenda for that day.

[5:36:05] And each speaker shall have three minutes to address the board.

[5:36:08] We have five speakers if they'll please come up and speak in this order.

[5:36:12] Curtis Pollock, Brian Feynman, Justin Goodman, Amy Beth Mullin, and Mike Carabinis, first speaker

[5:36:20] as Curtis Pollock.

[5:36:36] Good evening.

[5:36:38] The environmental and health related concerns over data centers cannot be overstated, but

[5:36:43] I want to talk about something much darker.

[5:36:46] The time is now to stand up to technocratic tyranny, which is enabled by an increasingly

[5:36:52] tyrannical government, a government controlled by the technocratic global elite via bribery.

[5:36:56] extortion and fear. The people's voice regarding data centers is being systematically ignored

[5:37:02] by local governments across the country for the very same reason not a single person has been brought to justice for the horrific acts described in the F.T. files.

[5:37:12] That's because the country is really run by psychopath who hate us.

[5:37:16] Most of these psychopaths are transhumanists who want the majority of the population controlled like sheep or worse

[5:37:23] And they laughingly throw it right in the fate in our faces with names like flock and palentere.

[5:37:29] 1984 is rolled out right in front of your eyes.

[5:37:32] And the data centers are the brains of a drag net system designed to take the very last of our liberties.

[5:37:39] There are already 117,000 flock-style cameras installed in the United States.

[5:37:44] And the number is growing swiftly.

[5:37:46] Many of them are pointed where there aren't even any roads.

[5:37:49] China, drones, and humanoid robots are already being deployed to police the population.

[5:37:55] If you don't know what transhumanism is, let's allow Ray Kurzweil, Google's director

[5:38:00] of engineering to explain his vision.

[5:38:03] The singularity will represent the culmination of our biological thinking and existence with

[5:38:08] our technology resulting in a world that is still human, but that transcends our biological

[5:38:14] roots.

[5:38:14] There will be no distinction post-singularity between human and machine or between actual and virtual reality.

[5:38:24] Oracle Co-founder Larry Ellison says, citizens will be on their best behavior because we're constantly recording and reporting everything that is going on.

[5:38:33] Billionaire tech investor Peter Teele was asked whether or not he would prefer the human race to endure, to which he markedly and repeatedly hesitated immediately after this exchange Teele went on to say that he wants humanity to be radically transformed by technology to become immortal creatures fundamentally different from our current state.

[5:38:55] Whyard.com recently exposed Peter Seal as having formed a secret society called the Dialogue Society in 2006.

[5:39:05] I encourage everyone to read it to understand the depths of the players involved from NATO commanders, politicians, regulators, bankers, to Google's own Tom Liu head of their Frontier AI division.

[5:39:17] Let me end with a few, a few saying our quotes, ultimately saying that you don't care

[5:39:23] about privacy because you have nothing to hide, there's no different from saying you

[5:39:26] don't care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say.

[5:39:30] Another one is the way things are supposed to work is that we're supposed to know virtually

[5:39:35] everything about what they, the government, do.

[5:39:38] That's why they're called public servants.

[5:39:41] We are supposed to know virtually nothing about what, I'm sorry, they're supposed to know

[5:39:46] What we do, that's why we're called private citizens.

[5:39:50] Mr. Pollock, your three minutes are out.

[5:39:52] Have one more sentence.

[5:39:55] It's time to listen to the people right now and take a stand.

[5:39:57] One community at a time for the sake of your progeny.

[5:40:00] Do whatever you have to to stop this insanity now.

[5:40:03] Or I fear the most harrowing quote of JFK will come to pass.

[5:40:07] And it is this.

[5:40:08] Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

[5:40:14] Thank you.

[5:40:20] Brian Feyman?

[5:40:25] Brian Feyman here, it's such a field of residence and parents.

[5:40:30] NDAs. Not this way.

[5:40:33] NDA.

[5:40:34] I bet you're tired of hearing those three little letters in recent months.

[5:40:38] Aren't you?

[5:40:39] If not, I can bet you will be.

[5:40:42] What is an NDA?

[5:40:44] And legal parlance stands for non-disclosure agreement.

[5:40:47] More plainly, is an agreement between two or more parties

[5:40:51] who promised to keep information secret for everyone else.

[5:40:55] Here is where the Chesterfield County VLS agreed to keep the truth hidden from us

[5:41:02] with the trillion dollar company.

[5:41:04] Nothing bad ever happened when politicians kept secrets from the government, from the public, right?

[5:41:10] Government transparency is not a red versus a blue issue.

[5:41:14] It is a red white and blue concern, a uniquely American privilege.

[5:41:21] India's between the private and public sector are not universally bad, as noted on the county's new website and generally known.

[5:41:29] But in our case, Chesterfield kept the data centers quiet for potentially years after plans of a solidified.

[5:41:36] They withheld important facts from us and then asked us to make a decision with only half the story.

[5:41:43] The parties are still keeping critical information away from the public.

[5:41:47] Data centers are in no doubt important for our country's economic and intellectual advancement as they

[5:41:52] power the artificial intelligence industry.

[5:41:55] However, at the very least, one of our initial concerns about the data centers has merit.

[5:42:01] Project Pnut sounds small, doesn't it?

[5:42:05] The name is almost a joke.

[5:42:07] According to the website put up today, Project Pnut can use up to 6 million gallons of water a day.

[5:42:13] should the public have had access to that information before Project approval, not after.

[5:42:20] At this stage, we do not know what affects these specific data centers we'll have on current

[5:42:25] Chesterfield residents and the generations ahead.

[5:42:28] As such, I'm asking for a Chesterfield data center more Tory on until, in part, the entire

[5:42:35] data center approval process is audited by a neutral third party, which are all relevant laws

[5:42:40] follow.

[5:42:44] In addition, the county amended its NDA policy with the private sector. NDA should

[5:42:50] be DOA and less carefully crafted with maximum transparency to the public in mind. NDAs. Not this way.

[5:43:05] Justin Goodman.

[5:43:10] Three minutes. I just, you know, this is not normal, but I don't know if you usually

[5:43:14] send people out. You know, I just would like 30 seconds, you know, if what they discussed.

[5:43:21] So it's cool. They did the he and his words. We need to be careful on his words. Six frequencies.

[5:43:27] What are they? I'll stop.

[5:43:31] I really do that.

[5:43:32] Because I can't mention it in the three minutes.

[5:43:35] You're watching these two.

[5:43:37] that is deep on the topic, because it's not going to work for you.

[5:43:41] Yep, thank you for that, and I look forward to seeing what you got to say, I'm going to

[5:43:45] step up to what you want to do.

[5:43:46] For what, my topic, nothing about what the gentleman said.

[5:43:51] No, I'm not going to follow the rules for good.

[5:43:53] Thank you so much.

[5:43:53] You're welcome.

[5:43:55] Justin Goodman, 15, 21, 1, James River Drive over in print stores, but you know, respectfully

[5:44:00] all know who I am, most of the people in your county, do know who I am, you know, transparency

[5:44:06] with the data center so when I went in I walked around to every table because I am a representative

[5:44:12] of these people okay I went up to every table I told him if I was you I turned your badge

[5:44:16] and because every single car here is a lie that is fact. I went to the health card and I took

[5:44:21] a picture of it I said where are your sources and you know they couldn't tell me where their sources

[5:44:27] are stating that the EMF and all this stuff is safe. I said well I have vote load of information

[5:44:32] world leading experts that will testify that this is a fabricated lie.

[5:44:38] So, you know, without a doubt, Google, you know, you guys did it.

[5:44:43] But the whole infrastructure that goes along with it is just devastating.

[5:44:47] So, you're going to shove transmission line infrastructure down everybody's throats.

[5:44:51] When you go to the open houses, by the way, which I did up in Goochland last week,

[5:44:56] you know, I went around and I'm looking and I said,

[5:44:58] Where is your stuff about

[5:45:00] What about health and safety? EMF, where is it? And I believe it or not, it was tucked away in another room, this little, this little card, I'm not supposed to have props, but I'm just showing it.

[5:45:11] So this little card tucked away, I said, what about the people that don't have internet that may come and look at this and what all the information that you have?

[5:45:19] The head guys answered to me was, they didn't have enough room for all the posters.

[5:45:23] Okay, now, what's interesting is on the back of their placard, I've actually read all the

[5:45:29] four of the scientific documents and I encourage you to read them. It's all on our website,

[5:45:34] Transmission Line Disclosure Group, you can see it. But the information on here actually says

[5:45:38] that utility companies should use extreme caution when putting people in your transmission line

[5:45:43] corridors. Now let's talk specifics. I'm serious. You guys followed it exactly what Denwitty did.

[5:45:48] So I reported an issue to Denwitty. Denwitty contacts Dominion doesn't tell their people

[5:45:53] that they're contacting, demanding to get a comprehensive analysis, because as you stated

[5:45:57] politely, sir, you get a lot of money and revenue from Rivers City, okay. So I have

[5:46:02] freedom of information, you and RICO, Virginia Beach, and then we have gone all over to the boards

[5:46:08] and informed them, because Gross negligence is next to 8.01-225.1, he just sitting there and I

[5:46:16] am paying attention, which is bad. However, once you are aware, you have to fix it. You can't

[5:46:21] keep sending people to a facility that is shocking them.

[5:46:24] If you've read the report, which you probably didn't read it all entirely, the highest number

[5:46:29] is 500 milligals.

[5:46:31] I actually called, I spoke with the secretary, I said, I have a leading expert who is

[5:46:35] testified before Congress who wants to come in and decipher that for you.

[5:46:40] She's not going to come all the way down here for the three minutes.

[5:46:42] That was rejected.

[5:46:43] Didn't want to reject it or two.

[5:46:45] She's field ours.

[5:46:46] Cadera.

[5:46:46] Okay.

[5:46:47] She's all over Facebook.

[5:46:47] she's testified before Congress, 500 milligalces, the number at your facility, three to four

[5:46:53] is the accepted number to cause cancer. You know, so I'm just really convinced, so you did,

[5:46:59] you didn't tell people. You don't have that report available for people to read online either.

[5:47:03] Mr. Goodman. No, I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry.

[5:47:05] Respectfully, you gave other people a few more minutes. I don't want to be discriminated against.

[5:47:09] Thank you, sir. So, you know, what I would recommend you with a

[5:47:16] for field county logo. Before I keep blowing this up and you know everyone knows that you're

[5:47:22] covering it up quite way. You need to inform the citizens that you have a comprehensive analysis

[5:47:27] from dominion of your transmission lines. You really should get a third party expert like you said

[5:47:32] you guys like to do to decipher what those numbers mean because as I have become an expert on

[5:47:40] other people's material, you could have the source come in,

[5:47:44] for your daughter's good daughter, testifying your Congress.

[5:47:46] All right. Well, I appreciate you.

[5:47:48] And I, you know, I truly get your compassion, and you and I've talked

[5:47:53] on the phone, and thank you for coming out this evening.

[5:47:56] It means a lot.

[5:47:57] I don't think you.

[5:48:00] Amy Beth Molin?

[5:48:06] Hi, guys.

[5:48:07] I'm Amy Beth Molin, I live off a feature.

[5:48:10] And, of course, the first thing out of my mouth is going to

[5:48:13] be about the NDAs. I really feel betrayed by all of you. I really do. These properties,

[5:48:20] peanut, lock, sky, three school districts affected. Let's talk about that for a minute. Within

[5:48:26] one to three miles of that, what can it do to the child's learning cognitive impairment,

[5:48:31] performance, concentration deficits, language issues, and increased anxiety. Let's talk about

[5:48:36] what that does to people who are EMF sensitive. Shall we? We can't lie because those studies aren't

[5:48:42] being done, most of the studies that are being done are basically directly with the existing

[5:48:51] footprints. They all face their physical, the building of the project, and the economic

[5:48:58] footprints of these facilities, they're behind. What you're not following is what are

[5:49:02] you doing all together? Next, extra, right? Or next era, dominion power, and Google. Google

[5:49:09] just sent sign 25 years with next era, right?

[5:49:15] And they just quietly took off their green by 232.

[5:49:20] Why?

[5:49:20] Because now they call it moonshaw.

[5:49:22] Because they can't maintain it because of what they use.

[5:49:24] Let's talk about, I've got so much information.

[5:49:28] But let's talk about butter-touric county.

[5:49:30] Let's talk about dollars county, all right?

[5:49:32] They took them to court, were in court for 13 months.

[5:49:35] Did they sue Google?

[5:49:36] No, they sold.

[5:49:37] They sued the water authority.

[5:49:38] because they refused to release claiming it was proprietary.

[5:49:43] Well, you've heard all of this talk before tonight about NDAs.

[5:49:48] But what you're not hearing and what you're not seeing is that we're together.

[5:49:54] I know that these people don't believe they don't believe in the same political police I have.

[5:50:00] They don't.

[5:50:00] What they do believe in is our community, okay?

[5:50:04] And I do too.

[5:50:05] I've been here at the better part of my life.

[5:50:08] I'm not an eloquent speaker as obvious, but I'm here.

[5:50:14] I stayed, and I waited, and I'm uncomfortable.

[5:50:17] I'm still uncomfortable.

[5:50:18] I feel like you all talked, I talked to sit at home.

[5:50:20] That's what I feel like.

[5:50:21] I feel like these agencies just like their other,

[5:50:24] if you look at Google's history, where they picked.

[5:50:27] Mountain View.

[5:50:28] It was on top of a super conductor dump site.

[5:50:32] And years later, they had to put a vapor barrier up there to protect their own employees

[5:50:38] because they built on it.

[5:50:40] Or something like the water use and vote it out, and they had to take them to court.

[5:50:43] Let's talk about the water use and dollars, where it took 13 months to get the fact that

[5:50:47] they were using 25% of their cities' water.

[5:50:51] They lie about everything they do, all right, I'm tired of it, I'm tired of being lied to.

[5:50:56] We trust you, you are our community, you are our leaders, we have to look to you, I respect

[5:51:01] Thank you for your certain officers, but this flocked on since with the AI, that's not cool at all.

[5:51:08] And what's really not cool is, are you aware of the course you are?

[5:51:12] Are you aware of the, I have six seconds, are you aware of the poverty rate?

[5:51:18] One in nine children, one in seven children, going hungry and trying to feel county.

[5:51:21] Are you aware that that's 26,400 people?

[5:51:25] Are you aware that there is 9.1 going hungry?

[5:51:28] day or food in stable. So for you to do this with Google, it really takes my nerve. I don't

[5:51:36] you know when you're three minutes around, I feel. I'm that upset and it makes me to upset.

[5:51:42] But if you want information, it's not hard to find. Thank you. You're a far better speaker than you

[5:51:47] give yourself credit for. I'm sorry. You're a far better speaker than you give yourself credit for.

[5:51:52] Thank you.

[5:52:01] Mike Carabinus?

[5:52:08] I have about a quarter century experience and IT infrastructure.

[5:52:11] I have managed and expected to even help design data centers.

[5:52:16] I like to talk numbers and since Google wouldn't give me the numbers I wanted to talk about,

[5:52:20] I can read a site plan.

[5:52:22] I can read the information that is public and pretty much do the math myself.

[5:52:27] The average power draw of all chest field counties around 450 megawatts.

[5:52:31] That's every light, every business, every house.

[5:52:34] These light bulbs, that screen, 450 megawatts.

[5:52:40] The combined draw of the three proposed Google data centers

[5:52:43] could be as much as 1.9 gigawatts.

[5:52:47] That's more than enough to send Marty back to 1985.

[5:52:50] That is about four times what the power draw of the county

[5:52:55] is on average.

[5:52:57] That means that the proposed data centers

[5:52:59] Are going to put such a draw on our system that the Dominion is going to tell you that they must build more fossil fuel plants to meet the capacity and that the CERC is unavoidable.

[5:53:12] Dominion will raise your rates when they build the CERC because the 944 megawatts that CERC will still not meet that demand, nor will the 200 megawatts from the Fusion project.

[5:53:25] In 2026 alone, over 100,000 United States jobs layoffs were attributed to AI, either through

[5:53:35] job replacement or through to free up funds to invest in AI.

[5:53:42] AI builders are on track to spend $750 billion this year, and AI-related projects,

[5:53:54] including

[5:53:54] From those products, they have so far raped in only 20 billion in revenue.

[5:54:01] A lot of economic experts say that there is not enough revenue in the market to ever make up

[5:54:09] for the investment that these companies have already put in.

[5:54:13] That is the definition of a bubble.

[5:54:16] That means the industry is trapped in a thermo loop, fear of missing out loop.

[5:54:21] First, want to put you away from the table loses.

[5:54:23] And that will grow this bubble until something pops it.

[5:54:29] The longer we wait, and the more money that gets put into these bills, the more it's going

[5:54:36] to hurt when that pop happens.

[5:54:40] It's going to be worse than 2008.

[5:54:42] It's already going to be worse than the 2008 economic collapse.

[5:54:47] We have an ethical responsibility to halt new data construction sooner rather than later

[5:54:53] and help pop that bubble now before it gets any bigger.

[5:54:59] Now, maybe there's no legal way to stop Google.

[5:55:02] Maybe the deal has been done in NDA years ago,

[5:55:06] but we need a county and a statewide moratorium

[5:55:10] on data center construction.

[5:55:12] Mr. Carby, Mr. Three, Mr. Murat.

[5:55:14] Or we have the infrastructure to support.

[5:55:17] And this empty room is why you do not separate

[5:55:19] your public comment periods into two seconds.

[5:55:29] All right, Mr. Chair, we're returning back to case 26SN-205-8 Old Gun Communications Tower.

[5:55:43] And Mr. Chair, the applicant has contacted great. They're obviously have some language here.

[5:55:50] Okay.

[5:55:54] Good evening. I've discussed with the applicant. Towers, I'll see. They're agreeable to the following language.

[5:55:59] All carriers on the tower shall annually submit to the Planning Department Information Demonstrating Compliance with FCC Regulations.

[5:56:08] Cover with that.

[5:56:10] All right, so I'm going to go ahead and make that motion to approve.

[5:56:14] Case number two success in 2058.

[5:56:18] Such are the conditions in the separate port and the amendments that we made just now.

[5:56:24] Can I get a position?

[5:56:26] Opposing that condition, that was just red.

[5:56:28] Right. Thank you. In post condition. Second. Here is second. All of favor say aye.

[5:56:34] I don't know anyone opposed. All right. Let's move on. Thank you for that.

[5:56:42] Madam Clerk. Item 19 public hearings. A to consider an ordinance to amend the county code by

[5:56:47] enacting Article 23 sections 9-302 through 9-308 relative to the creation of

[5:57:04] the

[5:57:04] final step in what's been a three-month process to create the

[5:57:08] salmial station CDA. You held a public hearing last month to comment on the

[5:57:14] district itself, and so we would come back this month with the creation of the

[5:57:19] the actual ordinance, including the Archives and Corporation. All those materials have

[5:57:24] been completed, posted online, and I'm happy to take any questions or refresh your

[5:57:28] memory about the district itself if you want to.

[5:57:31] for

[5:57:35] members or any questions or stuff.

[5:57:38] I have one question, Mr. Enrico.

[5:57:42] We heard some citizens speak earlier today.

[5:57:46] Do we get that result?

[5:57:51] I don't know. I can find out the answer.

[5:57:54] One related related to the actual, the CDI portion.

[5:57:59] I think that's more...

[5:58:00] Insolent.

[5:58:01] So, the other person that we talked with was not related to CDN, it's the underlying case,

[5:58:09] but this is the creation of the actual CDN top of it to finance the infrastructure

[5:58:14] improvement.

[5:58:15] It's unrelated to his concern that he raised you this afternoon.

[5:58:19] Yeah.

[5:58:19] The fact that it was different is what allowed him to actually address the board because it wasn't

[5:58:24] on our.

[5:58:25] Because it was not on this issue at all.

[5:58:27] Okay.

[5:58:28] Thank you.

[5:58:28] That's right.

[5:58:30] All right. Any other questions from the stars?

[5:58:35] All right. Everyone, this is a public hearing to consider an ordinance to amend county code by enacting Article 23 Section 9-302 through 9-308 relative to the creation of the Somal Station Community Development Authority.

[5:58:51] There's any one who would like to speak to this case of so-come forward and see for me.

[5:58:59] Seeing no one I'm going to go ahead and close this hearing. It's back before the board. Is there any discussion?

[5:59:07] All right, I'm going to go ahead and ask for a motion.

[5:59:10] Mr. Chair, I like motion to approve.

[5:59:12] All right, and can I get a second?

[5:59:13] Second.

[5:59:14] All right, all in favor say aye.

[5:59:16] Both?

[5:59:18] Madam Clerk.

[5:59:19] Be to consider approval of a lease renewal for the United States General Services Administration

[5:59:24] at the Chesterfield County Airport.

[5:59:26] Mr. Neil.

[5:59:31] Good evening, Mr. Chair.

[5:59:33] Members of the board.

[5:59:34] Mr. Harris.

[5:59:35] This is to consider approval of a lease for normal

[5:59:37] for the United States General Services Administration at Chesterfield County Airport.

[5:59:41] And since 2007, we've been leasing 3,000 foreign 20 square feet of hangar space to the organization.

[5:59:50] The new rent, the new lease rate will be 26,000, 229 dollars in 18 cents annually,

[5:59:56] and will increase in subsequent years pursuant to the consumer price index.

[6:00:01] This is a public hearing, consider an extension of the current lease to November 19, 2021, glad to ask any questions from the half.

[6:00:10] We're members, there are any questions for staff for this year. Seeing none, everyone, this is a public hearing to consider approval of a lease renewal.

[6:00:18] For the United States General Services Administration at the Chesapeake County Airport,

[6:00:21] Sir, anyone who would like to speak to this issue, so please come forward and state your name.

[6:00:29] Seeing no one I want to go ahead and close this public hearing, it's back before the board.

[6:00:32] Is there any discussion?

[6:00:34] Motion to approve.

[6:00:35] I hear a motion to approve.

[6:00:36] Can I get a second?

[6:00:37] I got that all in favor say aye.

[6:00:39] Aye.

[6:00:39] All opposed.

[6:00:40] If you're all opposed.

[6:00:43] Madam Clerk and clear.

[6:00:44] I was in the approval.

[6:00:48] All right.

[6:00:50] Madam Clerk.

[6:00:50] Item 21 closing announcements, Mr. Chair.

[6:00:53] Thank you so much, Madam Clerk. I just want to open up to my board as anything that anyone would like to speak to.

[6:01:01] I want to appreciate my board. I would appreciate everyone that came out to speak this evening.

[6:01:06] It is a public process, and I deeply appreciate that.

[6:01:11] That's how it's done, and I'm grateful to be part of this process.

[6:01:15] With that, Madam Clerk.

[6:01:19] Mr. Chair, we need a motion to adjourn to a joint meeting with the Camp Baker Management Board on July 30,

[6:01:24] at 330 PM, at sore 360 at Camp Baker, 7600B, to then adjourn to the County Administrators

[6:01:33] swearing in ceremony on August 24 at 9am at the historic 1917 courthouse,

[6:01:40] 110011 iron bridge road, to then adjourn to your regularly scheduled meeting on August 26,

[6:01:46] that 2 PM and room 502 of the County Administration Building.

[6:01:53] Thank you, Madam Clerk,

[6:01:54] All in favor? Bye. We are adjourned.

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