Chillicothe Ohio City Council Meeting 03-08-2010 Part 5

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[0:00] Thank you, Mrs. Ames. Uh, and Mrs. Patrick,
[0:05] Mr. Barnhart has been to council meetings repeatedly. And again, I would
[0:10] like to ask council president to consider assigning this to committee to
[0:14] look into the cell phone because when we did it last year, our answer basically
[0:18] was we were waiting on the state to do something. And the state still hasn't
[0:21] done anything. And I don't know about you, but I come within an inch of
[0:25] getting hit almost every time I go out to take a drive. Now, the the cell
[0:28] phones are really a problem in the city and I think it's something we should
[0:32] look into. I know after the whole red light thing, you don't want to do
[0:35] something like this, but I think he's got a very legitimate point. You know,
[0:39] it's a danger. Okay. Very good. Thank you,
[0:44] Mr. Sharp. Thank you, President Arnold. Uh, I'd like to address the statement by
[0:50] Mr. Spentagle about Jane Moss and the parking. Uh when I first became elected
[0:56] council, I had several people come up to me concerned about parking issues
[1:00] downtown. So I took it upon myself to ask the mayor to be allowed to ride
[1:05] along with Jane and shadow her for a day. And I was allowed to do that. And
[1:10] uh wow, real appreciation for what she does.
[1:13] She's uh she's got way too much to do. There's a lot of issues there. So I I
[1:19] think there's some I think it needs reviewed. So, I asked for a review on it
[1:23] and the mayor had a set up a meeting for me and him and uh Chief Moore and Jane
[1:30] Moss. And the meeting uh the mayor wasn't able
[1:34] to make it, but Matt Allen was and Matt's very informed on on that topic.
[1:39] Matt and Chief both had a lot of good ideas, good understand.
[1:45] However, nothing came out of that.
[1:51] would like to see on that group. I think poss
[2:12] to something there and I think we should form a committee on that too and I'd be
[2:15] willing to serve on and work on both those committees. Okay. Very good. Thank
[2:20] you. Any other old vis?
[2:25] Thank you, President Arnard. Um, I tell you, I never been so popular over the
[2:29] past week. Um, I know the weather's good. Uh, kids games, neighbors, grocery
[2:34] store, everywhere I went, don't raise their water rates. Okay, number one
[2:39] topic. I didn't hear anyone mentioning to raise the rates. And so with that,
[2:43] um, obviously being the head of the finance committee, you know, I really
[2:47] haven't seen the numbers, okay? And so I I'd appreciate maybe, you know, I don't
[2:52] know what the rush is this evening to pass, but can we can we possibly have a
[2:58] utilities committee review uh this week or next before the next council meeting?
[3:03] Because if I understand correctly, we we really don't have to act upon this
[3:06] tonight. There's no deadlines pending on any of these legislation items so that
[3:11] we can basically ask the questions around, you know, the financial pieces
[3:15] of it. I can't Patrick, sure. Uh, which the
[3:22] recommendation of the rate review committee was to not raise the rates
[3:25] until we get the cost allocation study. We have to decide one way or another by
[3:30] April, beginning of April. So, this is just not to do anything until we get the
[3:34] study. And could we possibly then delay the
[3:38] three read uh waving of uh item number four on the study at least to make sure
[3:44] that we're covering everything answer everyone's questions in regards to
[3:49] spending $10,000 for this study. And and the reason I bring that up is because
[3:53] we're we're going to base this study based on a current way we do things,
[3:57] right? and and that may not be how we actually process water bills, for
[4:01] example, in the future. And when I think of that, I think of a and gas. You
[4:05] actually don't even go into either one of those facilities to turn your water
[4:08] or turn your utilities on and off. So, I I don't I don't really want to make sure
[4:12] that we have a a study done on our current processes that doesn't
[4:16] incorporate maybe the way we do it in the future. That's kind of what my
[4:18] concern is. if I could just have a a time to spend on the numbers because
[4:24] what I understand is there's 850,000 been charged over the last five years
[4:28] and now all of a sudden back to the general fund all of a sudden that goes
[4:32] up to 1.4 million, which I understand that's a concern. That's 66% increase.
[4:37] Have we asked the question of why? We haven't even asked why that went up 66%.
[4:43] And I don't feel that I've got, you know, enough information to really go
[4:47] forward the study just yet. Like I said, we just need maybe a review session.
[4:50] That's what I'm asking for. The reason I've asked for this is to justify the
[4:54] numbers. This study will justify what can and can't be taken out of utilities
[4:58] and put back into the general fund. And until we do the study, we can't
[5:01] determine whether or not we need to do anything with the rates.
[5:06] I don't need a study to know. I guess I'm looking from an angle of I don't
[5:10] need a study to basically determine. I need to know why did we charge 1.4
[5:14] million period. I don't know how what numbers made up the 1.4 struggle. And
[5:20] that's the reason I've asked for that. It used to be 857,000
[5:24] and it went up to 1.39 million. And I I want justification and that's the way to
[5:30] do it. And this is something the state auditor will accept as, you know,
[5:34] concrete evidence. I don't I don't want to dwell on it too much, but I I think
[5:38] that that's something we can ask it ourselves internally, right? We we
[5:41] created the number. Well, no, that's the problem. We didn't who did the previous
[5:45] auditor did and Mr. Spaggle, he's looked at it and I won't I'll let him address
[5:51] it. Um, do you have anything to add?
[5:58] If uh if I understand your question, it's how
[6:02] did the how did we come up with the number the 1.4 million? I don't have an
[6:06] answer. I can't answer that question. It was from 2009 to 2010
[6:13] the reimbursement cap was raised significantly and that was a decision
[6:18] that was made pretty recently. It was made in December of 2009 right before I
[6:24] started. I I have no idea what theification is for that and
[6:31] I
[7:46] one from 2003 which doesn't take into account that the billing was no longer
[7:50] done down in the auditor's office. It's done upstairs. I mean, there's, you
[7:54] know, some basic changes to the way we do business that aren't taken into
[7:57] account with the old study. And that's the reason for the new the
[8:02] need for the new study. And you can also use that study for grants. And again,
[8:07] it's justification for the state auditor.
[8:10] And I guess I'd like to comment on what you stated earlier is that there's no
[8:15] guarantee that we won't back pay anyway. Right. If this study comes back and it
[8:18] says we were overcharging, just because we're doing it doesn't mean
[8:22] we're going to not have to back pay. That That's correct. Right. I I don't
[8:25] think there's any guarantee of anything with the results of the study.
[8:30] I my only point was I I don't think that I mean I'm I'm just I'm kind of new
[8:35] here, but I don't I don't agree with the the proposition that we should just do
[8:40] nothing. Even if it's been done wrong, I think it
[8:44] needs to be corrected or or we need evidence one way or
[8:48] another. That's my that's my point of view. I
[8:53] guess I'm just asking for another I I don't see we have April 1st is our
[8:57] deadline. We have another council meeting between
[9:00] here and there. And I just would like to have a utilities review meeting so that
[9:04] we can address this particular item in detail to make sure we can dot all our
[9:10] eyes cross all of our tees to know that we actually truly need to spend 10,000
[9:13] on this study and that we've looked at it internally as well. That's my take on
[9:18] it. And if it's so busy you need to pass it tonight, then I probably will not uh
[9:22] be voting for that. That's just make that clear. Actually $7,000. Correct. It
[9:28] the cost will be 7,000. Yes.