[4:28] >> Councilmember Harris: all

[4:30] right, welcome to to budget and

[4:31] finance, I'm your committee

[4:33] chair, rusconi's r reggie harris

[4:34] joined today with me committee

[4:37] vice chair, councilmember

[4:38] cramerding, councilmember anna

[4:42] albi and jeffreys, vice mayor

[4:51] kearney councilmember owens,

[4:53] parks and. I don't believe we

[4:56] have any public comment and on

[4:57] zoom. From the developmental

[4:59] disabilities o DR. Dudas, and

[5:01] law, our clerk is rob either

[5:06] kneel I. And we have a couple

[5:07] presentations.

[5:09] That we'll take up

[5:15] then we will take up the items

[5:18] and then we will make a movement

[5:20] to go no executive

[5:23] into executive session

[5:24] at the conclusion of the meeting

[5:26] and we'll talk about that at the

[5:30] end. With that, we have our

[5:32] favorite topic here in the city

[5:37] of cincinnati, biochar, so we're

[5:40] joined today we have jason

[5:42] barron with us and director

[5:45] kroner and crystal courtney

[5:46] division manager of natural

[5:49] resources. Welcome. Come on

[5:54] up. We also see jon harmon in

[5:59] his new role supporting biochar

[6:01] replication and decked out in

[6:08] park swag. All right. Welcome.

[6:14] >> good afternoon, CHAIRMAN

[6:16] Harris, committee. We're happy

[6:18] to come here today to talk about

[6:20] biochar. We talked about did

[6:21] individually with many of you

[6:23] and here last year for our

[6:25] budget presentation where we did

[6:28] a science experiment how it

[6:30] retains water as opposed dirt.

[6:32] We're here to give a update on

[6:33] the project and a item you will

[6:35] be considering to give an ad

[6:37] advance from the energy

[6:38] revolving loan fund that we

[6:40] would use as part the capital

[6:42] stack for that. Where we're at

[6:44] is at the FEBRUARY park board

[6:46] meeting. Park board voted to

[6:47] move forward with the project

[6:49] and purchase the equipment. All

[6:52] told the start up project is

[6:54] about $2.9 million. About 1.7

[6:56] of that is the equipment. Much

[7:03] of which we'll be able to get

[7:04] tax credits back in the form of

[7:05] direct pay, which director

[7:07] kroner will walk us through. We

[7:08] are considering about 8 $50,000

[7:20] as a advance to use as part of

[7:21] the capital stack and that will

[7:22] be refunded through these tax

[7:22] credits that are part of the

[7:23] inflation reduction act. We are

[7:24] in the process of we are signing

[7:24] up a mechanical engineer that

[7:25] will help us design it's

[7:29] facility and how it ties into

[7:30] water and nursery, that's where

[7:33] the site will go. And the

[7:35] reason we get do claim tax

[7:36] credits it will take water

[7:39] nursery off the grid, using the

[7:40] hoot from the biochar machine to

[7:42] create energy. We spend about

[7:44] $40,000 a year on energy that we

[7:47] will be able to save and produce

[7:48] ourselves, which is exciting.

[7:51] That's outside of even creating

[7:52] biochar which is what we're here

[7:54] to talk about today to give a

[7:55] run down how that works. With

[7:57] that I will pass things over to

[8:00] my colleague here, division

[8:02] manager of the division of

[8:04] natural resources crystal

[8:04] courtney.

[8:06] >> it is a honor to join you

[8:08] here today. I have spoken many

[8:11] times about the status tree

[8:12] canopy and the projects we're

[8:13] working on. Just a brief

[8:15] overview why cincinnati, why

[8:17] now. So as you know, the

[8:18] majority of our street trees are

[8:21] planted in relatively small

[8:24] areas and in pretty poor compart

[8:25] pacted soil that's inn none

[8:28] dated with salt and other refuse

[8:31] from the streets. As an urban

[8:32] forrester, arborist in this

[8:34] industry we have becoming

[8:35] looking to biochar as a solution

[8:37] for some of that dee compaction

[8:41] and soil improvement materials.

[8:44] The it is pretty absorb dent to

[8:45] build into our budget so we

[8:46] started this project with an

[8:48] idea around okay does this work?

[8:51] And we started outed buy lotting

[8:54] a couple sites using biochar.

[8:56] And then soon thereafter got

[9:00] into this whole bloomberg

[9:01] philanthropies grant. The why

[9:03] is really to improve the canopy,

[9:07] the growth rates in the

[9:08] survivability of street trees

[9:10] and treats throughout the city.

[9:12] We have initiatives build into

[9:13] the green cincinnati plan and

[9:15] within our own organization to

[9:17] help meet canopy goals in low

[9:19] income communities of color and

[9:21] can by areas over the city

[9:25] overall. We have a innovative

[9:30] uli, we urban forestry program

[9:32] and excited to put it to work in

[9:34] our and streetscapes. In

[9:35] addition we have been working at

[9:38] the national to advance urban

[9:39] forestry throats the united

[9:42] states, last year being deemed a

[9:44] van guard city leading it's

[9:47] charge in urban forestry

[9:49] initiatives tenablal level. I

[9:52] will bringing in innovative

[9:53] technology home will be a pilot

[9:56] for the amazing work that our

[10:00] city does for urban canopy ass

[10:03] and we have opportunities with

[10:06] the inflation reduction act and

[10:08] through bloomberg

[10:09] philanthropies. In 2015 stock

[10:14] hold hole many sweden pie need

[10:16] the first biochar facility.

[10:19] That was a bloomberg challenge

[10:22] grant and they put out a request

[10:25] for proposals from municipals a

[10:27] round the world for inn corp the

[10:30] biochar into their city wood

[10:32] waste mainingment. Since at

[10:33] that time cincinnati was one of

[10:35] ten cities in the world chosen

[10:37] to complete the feasibility

[10:40] study, we had a cohort of about

[10:42] 12 people from various entities

[10:44] throughout the city, including

[10:46] office of environment and

[10:48] sustainability, university of

[10:49] cincinnati, ground work ohio

[10:50] river valley and local partners

[10:54] in the urban ag field and soil

[10:56] remediation field. So we put

[10:58] forward this feasibility study,

[10:59] our entire goal knowing that

[11:02] this would be a city operation

[11:05] was to make this essentially

[11:06] revenue neutral. So we knew

[11:09] that we needed to -- we knew how

[11:11] much biochar we needed to

[11:12] produce in order to take care of

[11:14] trees that we're planting, but

[11:16] then we multiplied that by how

[11:17] much did what we need to produce

[11:20] and sell in order to run this

[11:22] operation, pay for every aspect

[11:23] of it so that we're not having

[11:26] to come back and ask for city

[11:29] operational budgets to fund

[11:30] this. We built our feasibility

[11:31] study based upon that. When

[11:33] which put that forward in 2022

[11:35] we were one of 7 cities in the

[11:36] world chosen, one of three in

[11:38] the united states with our

[11:40] county parts being minneapolis

[11:43] and lincoln, tph

[11:43] e n, have I

[11:45] been working with those cities

[11:47] cocreating what does this look

[11:48] like in the united states, all

[11:49] the permitting aspects that we

[11:51] all have to go through and then

[11:54] finally the machinery itself,

[11:55] which means would be best suited

[11:56] for this application that aren't

[11:58] going to breakdown and are going

[12:01] to essentially allow us to have

[12:03] a seamless operation overall.

[12:04] We have been collaborating, we

[12:06] have monthly meeting with those

[12:08] other cities. We have quarterly

[12:10] meetings with the other six

[12:11] entities throughout the world to

[12:12] kind ever collaborate on what

[12:15] these projects look like at a

[12:18] international level. One of our

[12:21] first major tasks was we're

[12:24] urban foresters but this is new

[12:25] technology so one of the first

[12:28] things was a rfp for a operator.

[12:31] So we are wrapping up phase 1 of

[12:33] that contract, essentially

[12:34] carbon margin invest was the

[12:36] entity that was chosen, sam

[12:38] dunlap is the owner of that

[12:41] company. He's been helping us

[12:42] build through everything from

[12:44] putting out the rfp for

[12:45] equipment to help with site

[12:47] design, to building out

[12:48] operations plan and business

[12:49] plan for how do we bring in

[12:51] enough revenue to pay for this

[12:57] operation overall. This is a

[13:00] slide that I why in ever biochar

[13:02] presentation I give the it is

[13:03] not a new technology. It has

[13:05] been a round since the beginning

[13:08] of of agriculture, it goes over

[13:10] 2000 years to what they are

[13:13] finding now over 200 heck trays

[13:15] of lad lap in south america

[13:17] today where our original kind of

[13:19] first nations were in

[13:20] corporating this into the soil

[13:23] to make the soil and amazon more

[13:26] fertile for growing crops. The

[13:28] slide, or the picture to the

[13:30] right there is a very close up

[13:33] show shot of what biochar looks

[13:34] like. The way that this works

[13:37] in the ground is it will,

[13:39] because of its high beings

[13:41] change, carbon I can structure

[13:43] proper individuals a small home

[13:46] for all of the beneficial micro

[13:47] buy on the I can organisms in

[13:50] the soil 20 live, thrive, so

[13:52] that we have nutrients and water

[13:54] holding capacity right thereon

[13:56] site. This is essentially what

[13:58] is helping to build that soil

[14:00] struck sure so the trees are

[14:03] then better able to survive

[14:05] overall. So what does this

[14:06] process look like?

[14:08] So we generate a lot of wood

[14:10] waste. We have about 30 yards

[14:13] of wood chips a day, so if you

[14:14] think about the big tree trucks

[14:16] that are coming through, that's

[14:18] two of those big tree trucks

[14:20] every day and historically have

[14:22] been piling that material up and

[14:24] under utilized land within parks

[14:26] property. We might use it for

[14:28] mulching trees, in partnership

[14:30] with compost with our composting

[14:32] partners or urban ag partners

[14:33] throughout the city. But

[14:35] overall this waste is just kind

[14:36] of accumulating and breaking

[14:38] down. And so if you think about

[14:42] how a tree grows to the process

[14:44] of photo synthesis, as its

[14:47] taking in cash bone dioxide it

[14:49] is releasing oxygen back out

[14:51] which is what is cooling the

[14:52] temperatures around the trees

[14:54] and store that's carbon within

[14:56] its makeup. That's how you get

[14:58] trunks and branches and leaves

[15:00] and roots, that's all carbon.

[15:02] So, as plant waste decomposes if

[15:04] we were to pile it up, all that

[15:06] carbon that a tree has

[15:09] sequestered is released back

[15:12] into the atmosphere as it

[15:13] decomposes. Biochar does is

[15:17] high heat, low oxygen in

[15:19] hydrolysis, wood chips come in,

[15:21] they are processed through the

[15:24] machine, all the gasses and/or

[15:25] began I can materials that are

[15:27] built up within that are

[15:29] released out, burned off, that

[15:30] is part of the system, part of

[15:33] the fuel that keeps that unit

[15:34] running. At the end of the day

[15:37] the final product is up to 830%

[15:39] solid carbon. So what we will

[15:42] come away with is that through

[15:44] our six year pruning cycle,

[15:45] through all the trees that are

[15:46] pruned and removed throughout

[15:49] the city, we'll be repurposed

[15:51] into biochar holding up to 830%

[15:53] of the carbon that those there's

[15:56] and tree parts have sequestered

[15:59] over their lifetime almost in

[16:00] perpetuity. They are still

[16:02] filing these in the amazon that

[16:05] are 2000 years old. So the rest

[16:07] dense time of biochar in the

[16:09] soil is very long. So what

[16:11] we'll be doing we're already, we

[16:13] already have a preventive

[16:16] maintenance cycle, pruning and

[16:17] creating wood waste. We will

[16:20] take it to the unit, converting

[16:24] it into biochar, and then

[16:28] reincorporating that into a

[16:32] compost facility that park

[16:34] parky's farm through great parks

[16:35] of hamilton county. They

[16:38] produce, they pay about $60,000

[16:41] a year to have the manure there

[16:43] taken off site. As we were

[16:44] developing this project, they

[16:47] were developing a composting

[16:48] facility at their site. We said

[16:50] let's match, you can't do is

[16:52] take biochar and put it straight

[16:55] into the soil because than

[16:57] carbon will pull all the

[17:00] material out of the so is, the

[17:01] nutrients and moisture by

[17:04] warming it before it is brings

[17:06] the benefits to the treats and

[17:08] roots. We will produce t at

[17:10] that to parky's farm, mixes with

[17:12] compost and that will be planted

[17:13] back in the trees that we plant

[17:16] throughout the city. Another

[17:17] portion will be going out into

[17:18] the industry for sales which

[17:21] we'll get into a little more.

[17:23] One element that I definitely

[17:24] want to point out here when you

[17:26] go through this sickle,

[17:27] converting wood waste into

[17:30] biochar you are also generating

[17:31] exorbitant amount of heat and

[17:33] that heat is what we're going to

[17:36] be capturing in order to do

[17:37] combined heat and power system

[17:40] that jason alluded to which will

[17:44] power the nursery. So this is

[17:45] the step by step kind of process

[17:47] that I just went through

[17:48] receiving wood chips, bringing

[17:51] it the shredder, shredder will

[17:53] essentially take them and make

[17:55] them into a uniform size as they

[17:56] are going through the machine

[17:59] they are processed in a similar

[18:00] size, similar heat so that we

[18:01] have a clean product at the end

[18:05] of the day. And then we will be

[18:07] essentially loading it into

[18:09] super sacks and taking it to be

[18:12] distributed for reuse within our

[18:13] streetscapes, through that

[18:15] compost mixing or distributing

[18:17] specifically for sale as a raw

[18:25] or for the unified fortified

[18:28] product broad. Since 22 we have

[18:30] been working through what does

[18:32] this operation look like, what

[18:34] does the cost us, how much do we

[18:35] need to sell?

[18:37] What is the current rate kind of

[18:39] at the national level, what do

[18:41] we think we can sell it for, as

[18:43] well as any carbon crediting

[18:46] opportunities that we MAY run

[18:48] into. So just a break down on

[18:49] some of the equipment that we

[18:51] purchased so far. So this is a

[18:54] image of the shredder, so again

[19:03] the shredder will make the wood

[19:04] chips into a even form size. It

[21:39] the in springfield township.

[21:41] The historically is where we

[21:44] grew all the trees to forest

[21:49] mount airy forest. And then in

[21:51] the mid 20 teens we springfield

[21:53] township and they have created

[21:55] the preserve which is a awesome

[21:57] new park, springfield township

[21:58] operates and developed. It is

[22:02] right next to it. Just north

[22:04] west of this site but it's

[22:09] nursery we have about six

[22:11] greenhousers, we to krohn

[22:13] conservatory and it is a great

[22:14] operation. It was and that

[22:16] cincinnati parks we have had it

[22:18] forever. But it also is under

[22:20] utilized. It has a ton of

[22:22] potential. It hasn't been oning

[22:23] at full steam since it's 830

[22:24] real estates and we're

[22:25] developing a lot of plans to

[22:28] bring it back on line and ramp

[22:29] up our own production this. One

[22:32] of the things we're most excited

[22:33] about is bring biochar out here.

[22:36] You can see that road that the

[22:39] two red lines that run from the

[22:41] right side to left are two

[22:43] potential access roads. We're

[22:44] work with springfield township

[22:47] about how to accept wardner

[22:49] nursery from north bend road,

[22:52] which is the road southwest to

[22:53] northeast on that lower portion

[22:55] or right hand side of the page.

[22:56] We are work with them to work

[22:57] through the process of

[22:58] redeveloping this and get tag

[23:00] back on line much that's going

[23:01] smoothly. They are excited

[23:05] about the potential for this

[23:07] project. This is a schematic

[23:09] drawing of what the operation

[23:11] looks like as as can you see, I

[23:13] don't know if my mouse shows up

[23:15] there, it does not. But the box

[23:16] in the middle of it with the

[23:19] little circle on it, that is the

[23:21] pie recall cyst unit and you can

[23:21] see.

[23:23] If you are moving from the south

[23:27] part of the page to the north,

[23:28] the already part to the top,

[23:29] that is the wood chipper

[23:31] outside, that will move north on

[23:34] conveyor/belt to that first box

[23:36] inside building a moving floor.

[23:37] We'll load that up to run even

[23:40] when we're not there and to

[23:41] operate 24/7. And that will

[23:45] slowly move the woods chips over

[23:46] to a conveyor or belled belt

[23:48] that will run through the unit

[23:50] in the middle and split off to

[23:52] bagging up the biochar for sales

[23:55] and distribution or over to the

[23:56] organic ran kin cycle which is

[23:58] the machine that generates

[24:02] power. A generator that uses

[24:05] heat to generate and probes

[24:06] electricity. We have a cool

[24:08] individual owe about that if you

[24:11] would like to see it. So what's

[24:13] the revenue potential?

[24:15] As can you guess, crystal

[24:17] mentioned early on, we need this

[24:19] to be revenue neutral at best.

[24:21] It is something that takes away

[24:23] from other parks priorities as

[24:25] everybody knows revenue is not

[24:28] growing throughout the city, tax

[24:30] revenue we noticed to do more

[24:32] with lessor produce more

[24:34] revenue. We need to make enough

[24:36] to cover costs. And step 2 is

[24:37] there a possibility to create

[24:39] additional revenue that we can

[24:41] use to accomplish some of our

[24:43] priorities throughout the park

[24:45] system related to additional can

[24:46] pee

[24:50] tree canopy and reforesting our

[24:52] forest. So about 80% of the

[24:55] biochar is going to be available

[24:57] for sale. About 15% of it will

[24:59] be held back for use between us

[25:01] and great parks. And this

[25:02] partnership where we provide the

[25:04] biochar, they provide the

[25:06] manure, we combine the two at

[25:10] about a 1-5 ratio and that will

[25:11] be planted in tree wells with

[25:13] our trees or in other projects

[25:15] throughout our system. And

[25:16] we're estimating high on that.

[25:18] We're not totally sure we can

[25:20] use even the 15% that we

[25:22] produce, but again we always try

[25:24] to estimate high where you want

[25:26] to over performance estimate low

[25:29] where we're worried about

[25:32] underperforming. So 85% for

[25:34] sale. Additionally this is

[25:35] going to be available for

[25:40] eligible for carbon credits.

[25:41] Essentially we'll be able to

[25:44] sell carbon credits for the heat

[25:45] that we're producing and energy

[25:46] that we're producing that will

[25:48] be a funding stream or revenue

[25:56] stream as well. And then our

[25:57] hope is that we're going to

[25:59] produce revenue that will be

[26:01] flood, to use in other parts of

[26:02] the system. We're currently

[26:05] estimating that in year 1 we'll

[26:07] be about 45% success rate on

[26:08] creating biochar. This

[26:11] obviously if we run this 24/7,

[26:13] there is a maximum output. But

[26:15] whether it is how much wood

[26:17] chips do we produce throughout

[26:18] our system, we want to estimate

[26:20] low on that how successful we're

[26:24] at keeping it going 24/7, will

[26:26] there be down time, working out

[26:30] kings and in kinks and 67%

[26:32] success rate and hoping by year

[26:36] 3 we're close to 930% of the max

[26:39] output that we put out every

[26:41] year. In year 1 a little built

[26:44] of a deficit in what it costs to

[26:46] run this versus what we think

[26:47] question make. About a

[26:49] 50,000-dollar gap in year 1, the

[26:52] start up years with some

[26:53] troubles. $400,000 to operate

[26:55] this in year one. Raising over

[26:56] time as everything does, so

[26:59] we're building in increases but

[27:01] we think as as quickly by year

[27:04] two this will be making revenue

[27:07] of about $200,000 in year 2 and

[27:09] as much and 3 hounds that will

[27:11] be revenue positive if we're

[27:14] able to hit those production

[27:16] targets. So, again, it is not

[27:19] often that a city starts up a

[27:21] business we think this will have

[27:23] a real benefit for our bottom

[27:24] line and when you look at the

[27:26] most important piece is going to

[27:28] make our trees grow quicker and

[27:29] healthier and more success full

[27:31] name. You look at what it can

[27:33] do to help parks achieve some of

[27:35] its goals throughout the system,

[27:37] then the other piece is all that

[27:38] biochar we sell that will make

[27:41] revenue it will also go to make

[27:43] healthier trees, better crops,

[27:48] better landscapes elsewhere as

[27:50] well. We're paid about the

[27:54] potential. We had some

[27:54] preliminary discussion was some

[27:54] whole sale operator that are

[27:55] very interested in this and are

[27:57] kind of like, when are you going

[27:58] to start producing?

[28:00] But there is a market for this.

[28:01] I know from talking to the vice

[28:04] mayor that it is not as ease toy

[28:05] find it at lowes and you would

[28:07] like it to be but we would like

[28:10] to provide some large scale

[28:11] wholesalers that product that

[28:12] they will then bag and reuse in

[28:17] other ways. So, how had we use

[28:18] the 15%?

[28:20] Like crystal mentioned, we will

[28:22] send to parky's farm where they

[28:27] are creating this compost

[28:30] facility, 1 bye biochar to 5

[28:31] manure effectstively which

[28:33] creates that night row gin rich

[28:35] planting element that allows the

[28:37] tree to be successful. We use

[28:42] about 8/10 of a cubic yard per

[28:43] tree and great parks will use it

[28:46] in their trees as well. So next

[28:49] steps, like I said we're work

[28:50] with springfield township to

[28:51] make sure everything is up and

[28:53] running for this. We're fine

[28:56] lieding our contract with the

[28:57] mechanical engineer that will

[29:00] help us design this property.

[29:01] We're -- and then we're work

[29:03] with carbon harvest on

[29:04] finalizing and continuing to

[29:06] test and study the operations

[29:07] plan, the business plan. It is

[29:09] our hope that if everything goes

[29:11] right with this we will be able

[29:13] to begin construction on the

[29:15] facility as early as this spring

[29:17] and by the first quarter we'll

[29:19] be producing biochar and

[29:21] starting to see this benefit.

[29:22] And that lines up relate if I

[29:25] havely well with great parks

[29:26] compost facility they are

[29:27] working to develop right now as

[29:30] well. So we will have time for

[29:33] questions at the end, but next

[29:35] up is the inflation reduction

[29:37] act, which is what we're talking

[29:41] about days the advance.

[29:42] >> happy earth day to the

[29:43] committee. I want to commend

[29:46] parks from building this from a

[29:49] seedling of an idea to a full

[29:50] fledged vision business

[29:54] operation. It is been a amazing

[29:55] development. Alongside what I

[29:58] consider to be one of the

[29:58] innovative climate solutions the

[30:02] city is working o I want to

[30:04] present to you what I thinks a

[30:05] innovative financial tools that

[30:08] is help making this possible.

[30:10] So to set the stage, I want to

[30:13] remind folks of some of the key

[30:15] changes made by the inflation

[30:18] reduction act. This is the

[30:20] largest climate investment in

[30:22] human history. Some of it is

[30:26] available via grants which we're

[30:28] pursuing. The the bulk, tax

[30:30] credits, tax credits for clean

[30:33] energy, energy efficiency.

[30:35] Historically city government and

[30:35] not profit evennity at this

[30:37] times have had to partner with

[30:38] for profit entities to capture

[30:40] tax credits because we don't

[30:43] have tax burden. One of the key

[30:45] stipulations of inflation

[30:46] reduction act which is direct

[30:48] pay which makes all of those tax

[30:49] credits available to entities

[30:54] like us as cash back on our

[30:56] investments. Thanks, crystal.

[30:58] There are a whole variety of

[31:01] clean energy solutions that are

[31:03] being incentivized through the

[31:04] inflation reduction act. They

[31:06] are outlined on the slides. I

[31:09] want to zoom in on combined heat

[31:11] and power. This allows the

[31:14] project to move from a simple

[31:17] processor into a net zero city

[31:19] facility by implementing

[31:22] combined heat pow are, taking

[31:22] advantage of the inflation

[31:23] reduction act and getting all

[31:27] that money back. But there is a

[31:30] cost premium to get there. And

[31:31] so many projects have that up

[31:34] front capital premium where the

[31:35] dollars just aren't available.

[31:37] So we don't install solar, we

[31:39] don't go the beings interest

[31:41] mile. The tile want to talk to

[31:44] you about provides that advanced

[31:45] funding. Before we get there,

[31:51] next slide, please. Beyond just

[31:53] cash back, the availability of

[31:55] different types of tax credits

[31:57] has expanded drastically. So,

[32:00] you have a default 30% renewable

[32:02] energy credit that comes back to

[32:04] us, but then there are

[32:05] additional credits if at the

[32:09] time cited on a brown field,

[32:09] additional credits if it is

[32:09] american made product,

[32:10] additional credits if it

[32:12] benefits a low income community.

[32:15] So these different layers of tax

[32:18] credits can stack up to 60-07%

[32:20] back on these investments.

[32:22] clean energy on sale we have

[32:29] never seen before. So in

[32:30] partnership with direct

[32:32] developmental disabilities'

[32:34] director or oes has been working

[32:36] to create a revolving energy

[32:38] loan fund. This fund is.

[32:40] Seed funded with $2 million of

[32:42] our green cincinnati plan

[32:43] implementation money. The

[32:45] concepts here is when we have a

[32:47] project like the biochar

[32:48] processor that has this

[32:50] financing gap that can be filled

[32:52] by direct pay, but you need

[32:54] those dollars up front. This

[32:56] fund can advance the money to

[32:58] the project, make the project

[33:00] happen, with the understanding

[33:05] that when the direct pay it

[33:06] replenishings this fund. It

[33:09] makes this projects happen,

[33:10] capture, maximize the benefit

[33:11] from the federal government and

[33:15] do it over and over again in

[33:17] perpetuity. This project and

[33:20] what is before you today is a

[33:22] consideration of a

[33:24] 850,000-dollar allocation to the

[33:26] biochar project, to get them to

[33:28] the finish line with the

[33:29] understanding between parks and

[33:32] the fund that when the dollars

[33:34] are returned they are come back

[33:39] to this account. I want to

[33:41] point out that this is one of

[33:43] many projects across the city

[33:45] that can take advantage of these

[33:46] types of funds, take advantage

[33:50] of these fed ran incentives,

[33:52] outlined a variety here as we

[33:53] think about deferred maintenance

[33:55] and investments in our capital

[33:57] infrastructure, this revolving

[33:59] loan fund can help our

[34:02] renovation of facility x also

[34:04] add solar, add battery back up,

[34:07] take our facilities to net zero,

[34:11] reduce, eliminate our ongoing

[34:13] utility operation expenses. I

[34:16] want to splenoma this works but

[34:18] also wet your apparent type for

[34:20] future projects appetite for

[34:21] future projects.

[34:23] >> and so that end when we were

[34:25] here just a month or so ago for

[34:27] our budget presentation,

[34:28] councilmember walsh asked me

[34:30] about kind of what our next

[34:31] capital projects that we're

[34:33] talking about. And we mentioned

[34:35] the facility where we're

[34:36] renovating that facility to

[34:37] bring it back on line and make

[34:39] it a world class center to

[34:41] operate our eastern parks out

[34:43] of. Part of that will be about

[34:44] $400,000 that will go on top of

[34:46] that building. As I mention it

[34:48] had just a giant immediate metal

[34:50] build that's has a huge roof on

[34:53] it. It will produce more solar

[34:55] than we need to that site. We

[34:56] will put back into the grid or

[34:58] how to use it on other city

[35:00] facilities to pull that power

[35:02] out of it. We will be able to

[35:03] action sews these hopefully with

[35:04] your assistance access this

[35:06] revolving loan fund to help fund

[35:07] that project. Lots of future

[35:10] great work and great leadership

[35:13] by director kroner and the team

[35:16] at oes. And with that, we'll

[35:18] take questions.

[35:19] >> Councilmember Harris: thank

[35:22] you very much. That's really

[35:25] exciting work and the

[35:27] possibilities. Colleagues,

[35:28] councilmember jeffreys?

[35:29] >> Councilmember Jeffreys: love

[35:31] this stuff, and we were going

[35:32] back and forth a little over

[35:35] e-mail first, revolving fund

[35:36] no-brainer, it is in my budget

[35:37] priorities. It is the best

[35:39] investment we could make as a

[35:43] city because it replenishings it

[35:43] self.

[35:44] A little put services

[35:46] announcement for that as we

[35:48] approach budget season. There

[35:50] were just one question and than

[35:51] a couple comments. So to our

[35:55] back and forth on this, the

[35:59] revenue potential of 200 to 300

[36:03] on a ongoing base I year 2, 3 is

[36:05] awesome, that's amazing. And I

[36:07] always wonder not to get ahead

[36:09] of ourselves, but the whole how

[36:11] I it adds up what could this be

[36:14] in five years, what could it be

[36:17] could we do ten biochars so that

[36:20] $300,000 a year is 3 million?

[36:21] , you know, like so I love your

[36:23] perspective on that. Not to get

[36:25] ahead of ourselves, but it is

[36:27] just interesting for us to think

[36:29] about because the return on the

[36:30] investment is really substantial

[36:32] while we're doing kind of good

[36:34] for the environment. But it is

[36:36] a smart financial given all our

[36:37] budget challenges, a smart

[36:39] financial decision. So any

[36:40] perspective on that. And I have

[36:41] one other question.

[36:43] >> excellent question,

[36:44] MR. CHAIRMAN, councilmember

[36:46] jeffreys, I really appreciate

[36:48] your ambition with this project.

[36:51] I've trying not to go into debt.

[36:53] But there is quite a bit of

[36:53] potential here.

[36:55] And one of the things we started

[36:57] out with originally looking at

[36:58] different technology and we

[37:00] early on made the decision to go

[37:01] with technology that could at

[37:04] least produce enough biochar to

[37:07] make us be net for sure even

[37:09] with those conservative

[37:09] estimates for production. I

[37:11] think there will be a couple

[37:13] different this that will govern

[37:15] how much biochar we can make.

[37:16] One will be how much wood waste

[37:18] do we have to turn into biochar.

[37:20] Thinks you learn when you become

[37:22] parks director. I had no idea

[37:24] the amount of wood waste we were

[37:26] producing continually. Based

[37:28] upon what we produce ourselves

[37:29] throughout the park system we

[37:32] are confident we can produce

[37:33] through our estimates. But you

[37:37] start to look at again baby

[37:39] steps as this grows and as we

[37:40] get better and better at it

[37:42] could we be and we talked to

[37:43] councilmember cramerding about

[37:45] and councilmember owens, could

[37:47] we divert wood waste from

[37:48] landfills that could do not

[37:50] biochar facility and used to

[37:52] increase production?

[37:54] Could we be the spot that

[37:55] everybody takes their christmas

[37:56] tree at the end of the year or

[37:58] spot that everybody picks up

[37:59] their christmas tree when the

[38:01] city picks up christmas treats

[38:02] think bring it to us and that

[38:03] becomes that?

[38:04] Could we be a spot currently

[38:05] there are private companies that

[38:07] are, that we hire sometimes to

[38:09] do some of our too pruning and

[38:10] tree maintenance work, they are

[38:11] taking their wood waste some

[38:14] where else and probably paying

[38:16] rumpke or others to compost them

[38:19] or to dispose of them. Could we

[38:20] take that?

[38:21] Maybe which charge lessor maybe

[38:23] we just take it for free because

[38:25] we know we can turn it into

[38:27] biochar. There is a lot of

[38:28] possibility here.

[38:28] The other piece that is

[38:30] important to talk about is that

[38:33] what does a cubic yard of

[38:34] biochar cost?

[38:35] We know that if the vice mayor

[38:37] was going to buy a bag of it at

[38:38] lowes they are going to up

[38:39] charge that a lot because now

[38:41] you are down to a tiny amount.

[38:43] We are currently just looking at

[38:45] selling it in could you please i

[38:46] can yards to wholesalers that's

[38:48] the easiest for us to get out

[38:50] the door. We don't have a

[38:52] bagging facility or production,

[38:53] we might get there but for right

[38:55] now it is easiest to get it out

[38:57] the door and let a actual

[38:59] business deal with that. But we

[39:01] don't know what the market will

[39:03] be like for that. Currently

[39:06] about the average is about $150

[39:09] per cubic yard for biochar whole

[39:12] sale. Can you find 250, $300 a

[39:14] cubic yard. There's lot of

[39:17] upside that we estimated low, we

[39:18] used 125 to assume that maybe to

[39:20] get our market going we had to

[39:24] cut a deal like we'll give you a

[39:25] thousand could you please I can

[39:25] yards but discounted rate if you

[39:27] take it off our hands. It could

[39:29] be the opposite, it could be

[39:33] that company and ab will give us

[39:34] 325, 345 because they are

[39:35] looking for that product. There

[39:36] is a lot of upside. That's just

[39:39] what we can produce. We're

[39:40] predicting question do about

[39:42] 45%, growing to about 65-730%

[39:45] and settle in with this one

[39:47] machine around 90% production

[39:49] capacity. There is going to be

[39:51] some downtown. But to your

[39:52] point, could we buy a second

[39:55] machine, expand this separation?

[39:57] It will help our much waste

[39:58] question get our hands-on and

[40:00] the market for that. The scary

[40:03] piece not scary but reality is

[40:04] sooner or later if we're making

[40:05] money a private business will

[40:07] come in and try to do it cheaper

[40:09] and different. We're trying not

[40:10] to get too far ahead 6

[40:12] ourselves. If we can produce

[40:13] enough for us to cover our

[40:15] operations and make our trees

[40:16] awesome, that's enough for us to

[40:18] want to get into. And if we can

[40:22] do other things to help inn

[40:24] croft invest in our parks

[40:26] invests and we're excited to see

[40:27] where it goes we're hopeful

[40:31] there is some upside here.

[40:31] >> Councilmember Jeffreys:

[40:32] carbon credits, you want to talk

[40:36] about how many there are, how

[40:36] that works, how this helps?

[40:40] >> so I got some notes here, let

[40:41] necessity see. It is a market

[40:44] that I don't understand super

[40:48] well and sam from our team can

[40:50] get you more information on t.

[40:53] But my understand they are

[40:54] offset credits and me work the

[40:56] carbon that we're saving other

[40:59] companies are able to buy and to

[41:02] use. That -- they are bought,

[41:04] there's multiplier on how much

[41:06] you offset and a multiply are

[41:07] for that and that relates to a

[41:09] market. It is kind of sold on

[41:10] an exchange, almost like the

[41:12] stock market. And he's done a

[41:14] tremendous amount of research

[41:15] into how does that market work,

[41:17] what are the rates?

[41:18] Do we have to pay a percentage

[41:19] of that?

[41:21] It is almost like a transaction

[41:23] fee on a credit card, we have to

[41:25] pay that to the system. We're

[41:26] estimating only getting we're

[41:27] doing the same thing we're

[41:28] estimate that's we will have

[41:31] some slippage, we won't be super

[41:32] successful at it. We're

[41:34] estimating about 50% realization

[41:36] of those credits in year 1 and

[41:38] hopingably year 2 and 3 we move

[41:40] that up so that we'll be able to

[41:42] sell on the market. That will

[41:44] be determined based upon what is

[41:46] the rate for, what is the going

[41:47] rate for those credits at the

[41:49] time that we take them to market

[41:50] to sell them. But it is also

[41:53] could be a tremendous

[41:54] partnership on or about

[41:56] sponsorship opportunity, right?

[41:56] so all of the marriage or

[41:58] companies that you are meet with

[42:00] the headquarters of all day long

[42:02] I for a host of different

[42:03] things, many of them probably

[42:06] sat on the future commissions.

[42:07] They have varia climate goals

[42:08] and things they trying to

[42:09] achieve. They are going to

[42:12] market to buy carbon credits

[42:14] elsewhere. They might carbon

[42:16] credits that are produced in

[42:18] arizona arizona or columbus.

[42:19] Could you imagine a partnership

[42:22] where name your local company x

[42:25] buys their carbon credits

[42:28] exclusively through cincinnati

[42:30] parks biochar project you get

[42:31] the local partnership piece that

[42:33] could make it really fun. We're

[42:35] confident we'll sell them even

[42:38] to company z in alabama or dba

[42:39] dba, but there is

[42:43] dba dba dba and we could

[42:44] sell those credits lowingly that

[42:46] will help them achieve their

[42:47] goals as well.

[42:49] >> one of the first tasks will

[42:50] be a car bone analysis.

[42:53] So how much carbon are we using

[42:55] to produce it, how much carbon

[42:57] does it take to get the material

[42:58] from where it is produced to

[42:59] where it ends up?

[43:02] And then how much carbon are we

[43:03] sequestering overall?

[43:05] That lifecycle analysis is built

[43:07] in the first year of the

[43:10] operation, so as jason alluded

[43:13] to sam with carbon harvest and

[43:15] our team have been meet with

[43:17] various broker even it advertise

[43:19] to understand what does it look

[43:20] likity international level and

[43:22] the real deep dive what does

[43:23] this look like at a city level.

[43:25] I don't know that it has been

[43:27] done before. So we'll be

[43:30] piloting that whole field as

[43:30] well.

[43:31] >> Councilmember Harris: great.

[43:33] Councilmember owens and then

[43:34] PRESIDENT Pro tem parks.

[43:35] >> Councilmember Owens: thank

[43:38] you. And happy earth day right

[43:40] back at you. To start at

[43:42] cincinnati zoo and how they have

[43:44] really looked at their

[43:46] operations and made them the

[43:50] most sustainable ever, seeing

[43:51] this innovation at the city

[43:54] that's what we're doing, taking

[43:55] operational costs and applying

[43:57] leveraging the I r a with that.

[43:58] We're in the future right now.

[44:01] And so thank you for positioning

[44:06] parks to be able to pursue the

[44:07] bloomberg philanthropy support

[44:09] in this. You answered a lot of

[44:10] questions, some of which are

[44:11] around revenue. In terms of

[44:13] equipment that needs to be

[44:17] purchased, is it the pie recall

[44:18] cyst?

[44:20] How do you pronounce it?

[44:21] Is that that equipment that

[44:22] needs to be purchased.

[44:24] >> that's what we sought

[44:26] approval for from the park board

[44:28] in FEBRUARY. We're under a

[44:30] initiative called complete

[44:31] solutions and they are

[44:35] essentially package together a

[44:37] whole project for us, shredder

[44:40] convey evens, feed bins, pie

[44:44] recall cyst and the o r c. So

[44:45] the big make major part that

[44:46] we're at right now is getting

[44:48] into contract with a mechanical

[44:50] engineer to tie all these

[44:52] components into the site.

[44:54] >> Councilmember Owens: as it

[44:56] relates to tree canopy and being

[44:59] able to plant trees and

[45:00] healthier trees and all that, is

[45:02] there an estimates on how quick

[45:03] we can get there in

[45:06] neighborhoods that need it the

[45:06] most?

[45:07] >> the goal is like I said we

[45:12] will be producing biochar next

[45:13] year. City projects you nerves

[45:15] want to guess early an up and

[45:17] running and we're rock he's

[45:18] another that. Right?

[45:20] We and the to see one of these

[45:22] units live we had to drive tomo

[45:25] m so tea it, a 9 hour, spent the

[45:27] night, went and hung out a farm

[45:28] and 9 hours back. In a day and

[45:30] a half we were out and back awe

[45:32] say amazing fath and got to see

[45:34] it up close. And it helped us

[45:36] decide this was the unit we

[45:38] wanted because there's couple

[45:38] different units we got to see

[45:41] this live and in person it

[45:44] worked well. Tet we met with

[45:47] that farmer it would grow trees

[45:48] twice as quick.

[45:49] I wasn't

[45:50] smitherman you are about that

[45:52] but crystal has more scientific

[45:56] knowledge. Estimated 44% better

[45:59] tree canopy. When you become

[46:00] parks degree a tree in the right

[46:04] of way it has a 65% success

[46:08] right, 35% of the trees plant in

[46:09] the right of way are gone in a

[46:10] year. I will walk by and see

[46:12] new trees and walk back a couple

[46:13] months later and see that tree

[46:15] gone in walking around downtown

[46:18] with my dog. Can you see for

[46:20] all the reasons she talked

[46:22] about, salt, small tree we will,

[46:25] all the pressures urban life has

[46:27] on these and in a tree well and

[46:29] this much water. Biochar will

[46:31] be able to hold that water in,

[46:33] hold those nutrients in and make

[46:34] that tree that much more

[46:35] successful. So you will see

[46:40] that benefit for from?

[46:42] I biochar and making the tree

[46:45] that much quick. Sometimes hear

[46:46] from are citizens that want to

[46:47] cut a tree down in front of

[46:49] their house, one of our street

[46:51] tries and we got really great

[46:52] laws on the books that say you

[46:54] can cut a tree down, crystal is

[46:56] certify arborist they value it

[46:57] and that's a thousand dollar

[46:59] tree. Now buying a new tree of

[47:01] the same isn't a thousand

[47:03] dollars that has lived, 10, 15,

[47:04] 20 years and treat a tree

[47:05] canopy, you can't get that back

[47:07] until it grows, it needs at

[47:09] least 2010 years to provide that

[47:10] again. That's why we protect it

[47:12] and that's why cincinnati as

[47:14] such a great tree canopy because

[47:15] we value them. That will speed

[47:17] up this cycle when you cut down

[47:18] a tree you start to get that

[47:21] back quicker, healthier tree, it

[47:22] starts to cool the city and

[47:24] achieve our climate goals. So,

[47:28] that's a long way of saying we

[47:30] think we will take some time to

[47:32] charge it with the manure from

[47:34] greatly parks and I should just

[47:37] say we have said it a couple, to

[47:38] great parks has been a

[47:40] tremendous partner it in. They

[47:43] have put $3 million toward to

[47:47] and a that awesome $300,000.

[47:49] And biochar going in the ground

[47:51] and this will make trees grow

[47:53] quicker. Hopeful over 5-10

[47:55] years and see a difference in

[47:57] how quick they are growing and

[47:58] how much tree canopy we are

[47:58] getting.

[47:59] >> and through partnerships with

[48:01] uc we have professors that are

[48:03] already kind of in line to begin

[48:05] the research process to say like

[48:07] what is the return on investing

[48:09] in this technology and what are

[48:13] we actually seeing in our

[48:18] streetscapes.

[48:20] >> Councilmember Parks: thank

[48:23] you. Boy, this sounds exciting.

[48:25] You know the collaboration,

[48:27] working with great parks being

[48:34] using the in a newer. You said

[48:42] it would be, what 5-1?

[48:45] will you kindly explain again

[48:48] what a car bone credit is to me?

[48:51] I just -- I'm not sure I

[48:52] understand.

[48:53] >>

[48:55] >> can I try?

[48:57] So you certainly heard many

[49:00] organizations commit to carbon

[49:03] neutrality. This can do that by

[49:04] eliminating their own emissions

[49:06] like we're doing by adding

[49:08] solar, electrifying our fleet.

[49:10] Or can you do that by purchasing

[49:11] offsets. So rather than a

[49:13] hundred percent elimination of

[49:16] of your you can buy offsets that

[49:19] help count down the total

[49:21] emissions released. So there

[49:23] are companies who don't have a

[49:25] path way to achieving complete

[49:27] carbon neutrality they look like

[49:29] projects like this to purchase

[49:31] carbon offsets to help them meet

[49:32] their goals.

[49:34] >> Councilmember Parks: is this

[49:36] like solar energy?

[49:39] >> solar energy does decarbon

[49:42] eyes, it helps toward carbon

[49:46] neutrality. So, they are of the

[49:47] same mission but this is a

[49:49] different type of project in

[49:51] that it captures carbon. Soaks

[49:54] it up and stories it in the

[49:58] ground. Solar replaces cole

[50:02] emissions so rather than burns

[50:07] cool, coal without any carbon.

[50:12] >> Councilmember Parks: got it.

[50:14] Ohio long was this study?

[50:19] How long did it take?

[50:22] >> we started work on this when

[50:24] I believe this pre dates me but

[50:26] crystal started working on this

[50:27] 2021 when we found out about the

[50:29] opportunity we were invited,

[50:30] right, to be one of the cities

[50:33] that applied for this through

[50:34] this bloomberg philanthropies

[50:36] grant and we were one of the 7

[50:37] worldwide cities that got this

[50:39] 400,000-dollar grant that was

[50:40] the seed money to get this

[50:42] project started. And so we have

[50:43] been working on it for at least

[50:45] 3 years, three plus years but we

[50:48] have a lot to learn. We got a

[50:49] lot more to learn about carbon

[50:51] credits as we do the lifecycle

[50:53] analysis as part of our year one

[50:54] start up costs and then as we

[50:56] dig into this we're going to be

[50:58] study it from the beginning.

[50:59] This is, you know, a hundred

[51:01] percent of pilot project. This

[51:03] is saying there is nothing like

[51:04] this comprehensive strategy in

[51:06] the midwest. We want to

[51:07] innovative and lead the way on

[51:08] this and get this up and

[51:10] running. This will be

[51:11] educational and we're be

[51:12] learning and study it the whole

[51:14] time we're doing it. So we hope

[51:16] to replicate this for other city

[51:18] gloves, we hope to replicate

[51:20] this for other even for private

[51:21] industry because ultimate goal

[51:23] is healthier tries, capturing

[51:25] that carbon, making sure that

[51:28] the wood waste that's produced

[51:29] from storm or from other cutting

[51:30] down of the trees, make sure

[51:32] that's not just left to

[51:34] decompose but is instead getting

[51:35] sequestered and returned to the

[51:38] ground and deemed beneficial.

[51:38] >> Councilmember Parks: that's

[51:41] so cool. And who are the other

[51:42] two cities?

[51:46] >> minneapolis and lincoln

[51:50] necessity net zero net

[51:55] lincoln.

[51:55] >> Councilmember Parks: the

[51:57] trees will grow faster, what

[51:58] about the roots?

[52:00] >> that's why they are growing

[52:03] fast, it improves the soil

[52:04] texture and water holding

[52:07] capacity which will allot root

[52:09] system to grow more expo then

[52:12] alley and absorb more nutrients

[52:15] and water as it grows. So what

[52:17] you see above should be at least

[52:20] equal to what you see below root

[52:22] wise. And one of the biggest

[52:23] issues that trees run into

[52:25] especially in a urban

[52:27] environment it come amount

[52:30] pacted poor quality low

[52:31] nutrients soil.

[52:34] >> we were here a year ago for

[52:36] budget presentation and had that

[52:38] picture of biochar and that

[52:39] picture of dirt we were able to

[52:42] pour almost a entire pitch into

[52:44] that biochar. It won't hold

[52:46] that much because it will have

[52:47] some manure in it but it will

[52:48] hold that much more water,

[52:51] whether he it rains it rains the

[52:54] water all a hits that dirt and

[52:55] runs off and enters the storm

[52:57] system or it dries up real quick

[52:58] because it is that compacted

[53:00] dirt t dirt and doesn't got to

[53:01] the bottom. This will hold more

[53:04] water for longer periods of time

[53:05] which means the tree will have

[53:07] access to that walter monday and

[53:10] continue to grow.

[53:12] >> we're only looking at it from

[53:13] a tremendous perspective because

[53:15] that's our business, but the

[53:17] applications for biochar do

[53:19] extend to storm water cleaning,

[53:21] prevention, offset, there is a

[53:23] whole other world in which if we

[53:26] were msd present this we would

[53:30] be do it storm water water

[53:32] holding capacity. We can

[53:34] increase biochar into a concrete

[53:36] as an adtive that the

[53:38] possibilities are really endless

[53:41] as far as the applications.

[53:44] Essentially straight today than

[53:45] carbon when a bring the a filter

[53:47] it is running through a car bone

[53:49] filter. So this essential the

[53:51] same thing only we're charging

[53:54] the carbon with the any trientes

[53:55] and incorporating it into the

[53:57] ground. It could have other

[53:58] applications for other entities

[53:59] in the city.

[54:00] >> Councilmember Harris: lots of

[54:01] opportunity. We'll conclude

[54:02] therewith councilmember anna

[54:05] albi and then jeffreys.

[54:06] >> first I was going to ask you

[54:09] on touch on that use for storm

[54:12] water management and amiable you

[54:13] were able to touch on that. In

[54:17] terms of a quickly you know with

[54:19] the wood waste usual mentions

[54:22] wood waste, city does yard waste

[54:23] collection is there any way to

[54:25] use what residents are producing

[54:27] for this or does it have to be

[54:28] strictly wood?

[54:29] >> there is a lot that goes into

[54:32] that and another thing that

[54:37] we'll study we start with the

[54:39] woofed we'd whoa know how much

[54:41] debris or outside come

[54:42] contamination is in that and it

[54:45] should be relatively pure. One

[54:52] of the things making sure that

[54:55] that we produce unique or not

[54:57] unique a consistent type of wood

[55:02] chip that's why we have this

[55:02] fancy shredder that we will be

[55:06] used to get the wood chips. And

[55:07] go us throat system and end

[55:08] product to have some consistency

[55:12] to it. But you also want and be

[55:14] consistent as you don't throwing

[55:17] the system up. Forty-five

[55:21] proper decks year and 08% it is

[55:23] those contaminants or out if a

[55:24] piece of metal in our wood that

[55:25] could brick the machine and now

[55:28] you are down for a day or two

[55:29] and bringing in a cop to fix it.

[55:32] If it has like a bunch of grass

[55:34] clippings, they just purpose

[55:35] burn off loading it in with not

[55:37] much tree but a whole lot of

[55:38] other yard waste that's just

[55:41] burning off right away. And so

[55:42] our hope is to start we're going

[55:44] to do what we bring 23 because

[55:47] we know how much leafy it is, we

[55:49] know what, we can control what

[55:51] we put into the bin. As we move

[55:52] forward though we do think there

[55:54] is a tun of opportunity to maybe

[55:56] take ought christmas trees.

[55:57] That easy to tell there is no

[55:59] bulks on there, we start to

[56:01] have, but we have to educate

[56:04] here is our tree debris, leaf

[56:07] debris, yard waste debris, tree

[56:10] debris or maybe we'll need a

[56:10] interim facility where we'll

[56:13] sort it and have like system

[56:14] which I don't know how it would

[56:16] work where we can eliminate out.

[56:17] But we could get there. But we

[56:20] don't know for sure. That's

[56:21] kind of like councilmember

[56:22] jeffreys asked a lot of

[56:24] questions about what's the big

[56:25] end 6 of the this?

[56:26] You can start to see a lot of

[56:28] uses for it but we'll start with

[56:29] the yard waste or tree waste we

[56:31] have and then get better at it

[56:32] and learn more.

[56:34] >> I appreciate that, I could

[56:35] see partnership with other

[56:37] nearby municipalities, also

[56:38] partnering with you especially

[56:40] if we feel like we need more

[56:42] wood waste. I want to finish

[56:44] with this. It is cool to see a

[56:46] green solution that also makes

[56:48] economical sense. So very

[56:49] excited to be investing in

[56:51] something that's green and good

[56:53] for the environment and also

[56:57] makes money.

[56:58] >> Councilmember Cramerding:

[56:59] thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN. As we

[57:02] talk about removing honeysuckle

[57:05] one of our most predominant

[57:07] invasives. Will honeysuckle be

[57:08] considered part of the wood

[57:11] waste stream, can we put it in

[57:12] the facility?

[57:14] >> yes, most of the honeysuckle

[57:16] we're chip ago long roadways and

[57:17] things like that, we're not

[57:18] going to be necessarily pulling

[57:20] the honeysuckle out forest to

[57:22] chip it. We don't want to add

[57:24] to the stress of our operations

[57:27] because we're already producing

[57:29] enough un. They have outfits

[57:29] where can you fake them into the

[57:32] field, a smaller air burn e

[57:33] burners and we have piloted a

[57:36] couple of those and partnership

[57:38] with ground work and carbon

[57:40] harvest so the opportunity turns

[57:41] are there but it is also good to

[57:42] leave that material in the

[57:45] forest to allow it to break

[57:46] down.

[57:46] >> Councilmember Cramerding:

[57:47] including honeysuckle?

[57:49] >> once it is cut.

[57:52] >> one of the, it n point one of

[57:53] the cool things about this is

[57:55] that as we replant in the

[57:57] forest, a we remove the honey

[57:58] sickle it is strangled out what

[58:00] should be there. As we

[58:01] replanned trees on the right of

[58:02] way we want to plant a tree

[58:05] that's a income inch to inch and

[58:07] a half thick. Before that it is

[58:09] more susceptible to death. In

[58:12] the forest we can plant much

[58:14] smaller trees, those trees we

[58:15] planted with biochar and they

[58:17] will grow quick, not just trees

[58:19] but under store, under brush all

[58:22] that will start to grow much

[58:24] quicker and will reforest these

[58:25] areas we're clearing out that

[58:27] much quicker.

[58:27] >> Councilmember Cramerding:

[58:28] with the biochar we can plant a

[58:30] more diverse array of trees?

[58:33] I know that beech trees have

[58:36] been hit with global warm along

[58:39] hickory are slow grower, os we

[58:41] can plant more diverse array

[58:42] with the biochar?

[58:45] >> absolutely, and honestly

[58:46] relation to what jason was

[58:49] talking about growing whips,

[58:51] small trees, we will have

[58:52] biochar facility there, we will

[58:54] line them out essentially be

[58:56] already, we are already

[58:58] collecting native seed from

[58:59] trees, we're starting to grow

[59:01] them in the greenhouse, but this

[59:03] would allow to us ramp up that

[59:04] production. That's would be

[59:09] then planted within the forest

[59:12] itself. Yeah.

[59:13] >> Vice Mayor Kearney: I was

[59:15] just telling you I wanted some,

[59:18] that's was it.

[59:19] >> Councilmember Harris: and

[59:20] PRESIDENT Pro tem parks, did

[59:22] you, I didn't mean to cut your

[59:26] questions short. I did not.

[59:28] Okay. I, you know, I did not

[59:31] know that we had such an

[59:35] interest in arbor are you and/or

[59:37] bore it pursues on this dais.

[59:40] I'm impressed by the depth of

[59:41] the questions that my colleagues

[59:43] have asked. It is really cool.

[59:47] It is really cool. Thank you so

[59:48] much.

[59:49] >> thank you.

[59:51] >> Councilmember Harris: all

[1:00:00] right. 616 race street, you're

[1:00:16] up.

[1:00:17] >> good afternoon and to the

[1:00:18] members of the committee. We

[1:00:23] have prepared a presentation for

[1:00:24] served 616 race street

[1:00:25] investigatement agreement. This

[1:00:27] item 2 on the agenda. Today I'm

[1:00:31] joined by MR. Adam gelter with

[1:00:33] 3cdc, along with MR. Patel with

[1:00:36] the keystone development group.

[1:00:37] Adam, take it away.

[1:00:39] >> we had a chance to connect

[1:00:43] with most of you, MR. CHAIRMAN,

[1:00:44] members, thank you for having.

[1:00:47] I had a chance to connect with

[1:00:49] most of you on this project and

[1:00:50] we're excited to be here.

[1:00:53] It has been a long road for 3cdc

[1:00:56] and keystone to get to this

[1:00:58] point. The building we're

[1:01:01] talking about, it is actually 2

[1:01:03] buildings at 616 race street

[1:01:06] race street we purchased these

[1:01:07] properties the land lease for

[1:01:08] these properties from

[1:01:10] MR. Chopping who operated for a

[1:01:13] long time congress inc. Store

[1:01:16] and this space it was closing

[1:01:19] that store. And really want to

[1:01:21] make sure this is a important

[1:01:22] piece of the overall convention

[1:01:27] district and with the hoe tells

[1:01:28] both keystone group and others

[1:01:30] have developed north of here on

[1:01:32] race street. I want to make

[1:01:33] this a seamless district. And

[1:01:35] this block in particular has

[1:01:37] some challenges with vacancies

[1:01:39] and uses that weren't adding

[1:01:41] productive things to the

[1:01:44] downtown vibrancy. And so we

[1:01:46] purchased this without a plan

[1:01:48] for it, other than to get

[1:01:51] control. And we demolished the

[1:01:53] facade that was put offer the

[1:01:54] original historic building, did

[1:01:56] all the interior abate and

[1:01:58] looked at a number ever

[1:01:59] different uses for this space

[1:02:01] over the past 3 or 4 years as we

[1:02:03] have been working on this. And

[1:02:05] this map shows you in the

[1:02:07] context of the convention center

[1:02:08] district where this property

[1:02:10] sits and again the connection to

[1:02:12] those hotels, but ultimately the

[1:02:12] connection to over-the-rhine

[1:02:14] which is one of our strongest

[1:02:16] assets here in cincinnati. But

[1:02:19] that district to get to our

[1:02:20] visitors to have a seem less

[1:02:23] walk up there from the

[1:02:24] convention center. So here is

[1:02:29] the building that I MAY

[1:02:30] remember. And again we took off

[1:02:32] that facade and found a pretty

[1:02:34] spectacular building on the

[1:02:37] other side. But I think once

[1:02:39] the keystone group restores it

[1:02:42] and even would have more

[1:02:44] excitingly the original building

[1:02:45] had 6 stories, there was a fire

[1:02:47] at some point and they

[1:02:49] demolished the upper two floors.

[1:02:51] And so the plan is to bring

[1:02:52] those floors back to the

[1:02:53] building and restore the entire

[1:02:55] facade to original historic

[1:02:58] plan. So, I think that we have

[1:03:01] a exciting opportunity. I will

[1:03:04] let MR. Patel talk about it.

[1:03:06] But we are looking at a

[1:03:07] hospitality use that's because

[1:03:09] the way the shape their building

[1:03:11] was originally a store it is

[1:03:15] just too deep for the typical

[1:03:17] resilience use. We tried office

[1:03:19] and don't and hospitality is the

[1:03:21] best plan. And we've got a good

[1:03:25] plan together to make this an

[1:03:28] exciting property.

[1:03:30] >> thank you, adam. Thank you

[1:03:32] to the committee for having us

[1:03:35] today, spending your time with

[1:03:38] us. Keystone hotel group which

[1:03:42] have 9 hoe tells, 8 are in

[1:03:43] cincinnati area.

[1:03:45] We have a fairly young portfolio

[1:03:47] of hotels, about 4 or 500 rooms

[1:03:51] or less than 48 months old. And

[1:03:54] so we're pretty aggressive about

[1:03:57] building new product primarily

[1:04:00] in the marriott and hilton

[1:04:06] branded hotels. Had this

[1:04:09] particular project is proposing

[1:04:12] on 616 race. Just down the road

[1:04:15] catty-corner from our town place

[1:04:17] suites particular purdahed on

[1:04:20] seventh and race. We completed

[1:04:23] that project in 2001, shortly

[1:04:28] after the pandemic and we

[1:04:30] witnessed this building being

[1:04:33] demolished or bought and demoed,

[1:04:37] so we were excited to pursue it.

[1:04:39] And or primary focus for want

[1:04:41] toking pursue this complex

[1:04:44] project is the fact that the

[1:04:47] city and county are building the

[1:04:49] renovation of the convention

[1:04:53] center and the convention hotel.

[1:04:54] We think that investment will

[1:04:58] spark more visitors to the area.

[1:05:03] Happy to answer any questions.

[1:05:05] >> so after this presentation,

[1:05:07] we have included on page 4 of

[1:05:10] the transmittal our proposed

[1:05:13] incentive. We have 25 years net

[1:05:15] 52% project tif. This will put

[1:05:18] in for the cps pilot along with

[1:05:23] vtica. There is sbe and wbe

[1:05:26] goals than 10 and we do s ask

[1:05:28] that we recommend the approval

[1:05:31] of this ordinance. It is

[1:05:32] necessary from the emergency

[1:05:34] perspective to facilitate the

[1:05:36] financial closing which is

[1:05:37] expected this week so that

[1:05:39] construction can commence at the

[1:05:41] earliest possible time. It is

[1:05:43] also worth noting this project

[1:05:44] has received historic tax

[1:05:45] credits and they are working

[1:05:46] through some additional

[1:05:48] financing that also has

[1:05:53] accelerated the schedule.

[1:05:55] >> Councilmember Harris:

[1:05:57] fantastic. I'm stunned that at

[1:05:59] some point someone decided to

[1:06:02] cover up that gorgeous facade

[1:06:04] with that, wow, so that's really

[1:06:08] exciting to go back to the

[1:06:10] original facade. Okay. Great.

[1:06:13] Sounds like a great project,

[1:06:15] needed project. Councilmember

[1:06:15] walsh?

[1:06:16] >> Councilmember Walsh: thank

[1:06:18] you, MR. CHAIRMAN, I think this

[1:06:20] is a fantastic project. The

[1:06:21] main question that I have and I

[1:06:23] think it is for you MR. Gelter,

[1:06:25] although any of you can address

[1:06:27] this. We see a lot of buildings

[1:06:28] that exist throughout the city

[1:06:30] that are one or two stories and

[1:06:32] I have often thought, we need to

[1:06:34] do things like this. We need to

[1:06:36] add on top of them, go higher

[1:06:38] but keep the original first and

[1:06:39] second floors, can you elaborate

[1:06:41] on what it takes to do this and

[1:06:42] why we don't see more of that

[1:06:44] and ifs possible to see more of

[1:06:44] this?

[1:06:47] >> you know, you really have to

[1:06:49] take a case by case it is upon

[1:06:50] possible and things that are

[1:06:51] limiting on some building are

[1:06:54] the foundation of the building,

[1:06:55] structure of the building.

[1:06:57] Because this had floors

[1:06:58] previously, it can support the

[1:07:00] weight of these additional

[1:07:02] floors without too much rework.

[1:07:03] I think there are other cases

[1:07:05] where that is the case as well

[1:07:06] where the building is strong

[1:07:07] enough to support it as its.

[1:07:09] Whether you get to make it a

[1:07:10] little challenging the bigger

[1:07:13] the building the more likely the

[1:07:14] foundation that is exist are not

[1:07:15] going to support those extra

[1:07:17] floors. But us talked about one

[1:07:19] or two story buildings,

[1:07:20] typically it is not super

[1:07:22] difficult to add height to those

[1:07:25] buildings, which I know as we're

[1:07:26] looking at dennity in our city

[1:07:27] is a important thing that we can

[1:07:32] and should be looking at.

[1:07:33] >> Councilmember Harris: great

[1:07:35] question. Vice mayor?

[1:07:35] >> Vice Mayor Kearney: we talked

[1:07:36] about this in planning

[1:07:38] commission but I wanted to talk

[1:07:43] about your inn cluing goals and

[1:07:46] mbe, sbe, all that.

[1:07:50] >> I mean I think as we look at

[1:07:51] this, you know, even though it

[1:07:53] is I think technically not in

[1:07:57] the convention district as per

[1:07:59] the convention center plan. We

[1:08:00] view it as that and we want to

[1:08:03] feet meet those same goals. I

[1:08:05] think we and keystone has had

[1:08:07] some real success in their

[1:08:09] project in oakley with there are

[1:08:11] inclusion goals and meeting

[1:08:12] annex seeding those and we have

[1:08:13] every expectation that we're

[1:08:15] going to do the same here.

[1:08:18] We have a woman own architecture

[1:08:20] firm that's leading the team for

[1:08:23] them. And so I think we'll have

[1:08:25] a strong position to beat those

[1:08:29] aggressive goals.

[1:08:30] >> Councilmember Jeffreys:

[1:08:31] MR. CHAIRMAN?

[1:08:33] One quick question. Really

[1:08:35] appreciate the comment of this

[1:08:37] is enable convention center

[1:08:38] planned development district. I

[1:08:40] want to amplify this that is

[1:08:41] really catalytic, so the fact

[1:08:44] that we made that investment

[1:08:45] yielded another investment. So

[1:08:46] I think it is important for us

[1:08:50] to keep in mind as we consider

[1:08:52] future investments that can also

[1:08:59] similarly be catalytic.

[1:09:00] >> Councilmember Harris: agreed.

[1:09:06] All right. Thank you very much.

[1:09:09] All right. DR. Dudas, let's

[1:09:10] jump into the agenda.

[1:09:13] >> to the chair, item number 1

[1:09:16] there this the biochar item from

[1:09:18] the first presentation. This is

[1:09:20] from the parks department as

[1:09:21] well as from office of

[1:09:23] environment and sustainability.

[1:09:25] There are two funding sources

[1:09:30] here being allocated to the

[1:09:30] biochar replication facility

[1:09:31] capital improvement program

[1:09:34] project account. The first is

[1:09:37] $500,000 of existing resources

[1:09:42] in the urban tree canopy-gf

[1:09:43] account that is existing

[1:09:45] resources of $500,000 that will

[1:09:49] be transferred. Additionally

[1:09:51] $850,000 of existing funds in

[1:09:54] the revolving energy loan fund

[1:09:57] are also being transferred to

[1:09:59] that same biochar replay

[1:10:01] indication facility capital

[1:10:02] accountment and this will enable

[1:10:05] the city to take advantage of

[1:10:07] the direct pay benefits as part

[1:10:10] of the inflation reduction act.

[1:10:11] >> Councilmember Harris: it is

[1:10:11] quite clear with the engagement

[1:10:15] that there is no objection with

[1:10:21] moving item 1 for passage.

[1:10:22] >> DR. Dudas: item number 2 is

[1:10:24] the development agreement item

[1:10:26] related to the second

[1:10:27] presentation. This would

[1:10:29] authorizes the execution of a

[1:10:31] development agreement with 616

[1:10:34] race street llc. Pertaining to

[1:10:37] development and construction of

[1:10:41] 84281 square feet of commercial

[1:10:45] space at 616 race street in the

[1:10:47] central business district.

[1:10:48] >> Councilmember Harris: I want

[1:10:49] to, I you know without objection

[1:10:51] we'll move item number 2 for

[1:10:52] passage. I also want to

[1:10:55] highlight I think that as we're

[1:10:58] starting to talk about about

[1:10:59] rivelment just thinking about

[1:11:00] the number of buildings that we

[1:11:02] have had that have been vacant

[1:11:03] for decades and the challenges,

[1:11:05] so not all buildings are

[1:11:08] conducive to housing for a

[1:11:10] number of just structural

[1:11:11] reasons or business doesn't work

[1:11:15] there. I think this is really

[1:11:20] creative, expanding our capacity

[1:11:24] for hotel rooms in this space.

[1:11:25] And then the again the tools

[1:11:28] that we have, this project tif

[1:11:30] really enables e abling it to

[1:11:33] get done. This is exciting

[1:11:35] overall.

[1:11:38] So item number 2 move for

[1:11:38] average r passage.

[1:11:40] >> DR. Dudas: to the chair, item

[1:11:42] number 3 is a grand ordinance

[1:11:45] for the cincinnati health

[1:11:48] department, this would accept a

[1:11:49] grant of $2,000 from the

[1:11:50] american heart association. It

[1:11:51] is designated for the health

[1:11:53] department to participate in

[1:11:56] ambulatory quality improvement

[1:11:58] program, essential there would

[1:12:00] enable the health department to

[1:12:03] data share with the halter heart

[1:12:06] association regarding the risk

[1:12:09] of cardiovascular disease, death

[1:12:12] and disability.

[1:12:13] >> Councilmember Harris: that's

[1:12:14] great. All right without

[1:12:16] objection we'll move item number 3 for passage.

[1:12:18] >> DR. Dudas: to the chair, item

[1:12:20] number 4 this is also a grant

[1:12:22] ordinance for the cincinnati

[1:12:23] health department, this would be

[1:12:27] a grant of up to $400,000 from

[1:12:29] the ohio department of health.

[1:12:33] These funds are earmarked for

[1:12:41] expanding school based health

[1:12:43] centers. And to would proper

[1:12:45] additional equipment beings

[1:12:47] supplies as well as furnishings

[1:12:49] for waiting room, but there is

[1:12:51] also a capital improvement

[1:12:54] component which would enable the

[1:12:55] construction ever a community

[1:12:57] entrance that would be separate

[1:12:59] from the school to provide

[1:13:03] community access to the health

[1:13:04] center.

[1:13:06] >> Councilmember Harris:

[1:13:07] fantastic. Without objection

[1:13:08] we'll move item number 4

[1:13:08] important passage.

[1:13:09] >> DR. Dudas: to the chair, item

[1:13:11] number 5 is a grand ordinance

[1:13:12] for the office of environment

[1:13:21] and sustainability. This is a

[1:13:22] grant of up to $50,000 from the

[1:13:22] bloomberg philanthropies youth

[1:13:23] climate action fund. Funds

[1:13:25] would be designated for programs

[1:13:28] to assist youth to help design,

[1:13:30] produce and oversee urgent

[1:13:32] climate solutions.

[1:13:33] >> Councilmember Harris: all

[1:13:37] right, oes is on fire. All

[1:13:38] right. Like not real fire

[1:13:41] though, doing a good job.

[1:13:43] That's earth day. All right,

[1:13:45] without objection we'll move

[1:13:48] item number 5 for passage. Item

[1:13:51] number 6 we'll indefinite

[1:13:52] postpone. Which brings us to 7

[1:13:54] which is the b version of 6.

[1:13:56] >> DR. Dudas: to the chair, item

[1:13:59] number 7 is the b version of

[1:14:00] number 6. It is a grant

[1:14:03] ordinance for cincinnati police

[1:14:04] department. This authorizing a

[1:14:08] grant of up to $56,000 from the

[1:14:10] ohio department of public safety

[1:14:13] ohio traffic safety office. It

[1:14:14] is the drive to succeed 2024

[1:14:18] grant. This would allow cpd to

[1:14:21] provide scholarships to eligible

[1:14:23] students in the community for

[1:14:24] driver education training. The

[1:14:27] b version is required because

[1:14:29] the grant amount increased. The

[1:14:34] award is now for additional

[1:14:35] $1,560.

[1:14:36] >> Councilmember Harris: this is

[1:14:40] much needed. Very excited about

[1:14:42] this.

[1:14:43] >> Councilmember Jeffreys: my

[1:14:45] back of envelope math I think it

[1:14:46] is about 130 kids or so that

[1:14:48] will be able to have driver ed,

[1:14:51] more the merrier.

[1:14:52] >> Councilmember Owens: thank

[1:14:53] you, that was going to be my

[1:14:55] question, but also I mean we

[1:14:56] probably all recognize after the

[1:14:59] pandemic that people are driving

[1:15:01] crazy. And also that, you know,

[1:15:02] this doesn't exist in schools.

[1:15:06] And so what a wonderful resource

[1:15:07] this will be.

[1:15:08] >> Councilmember Harris: yeah, I

[1:15:13] appreciate the candor. Yes.

[1:15:15] But we have had this

[1:15:15] conversation before about the

[1:15:18] relationship to access to

[1:15:21] drivers education and we know

[1:15:22] that the pandemic, so many young

[1:15:26] people missed out on the

[1:15:29] opportunity to get drivers

[1:15:31] education, drivers, licenses,

[1:15:33] lapse. A number of things

[1:15:35] happened and so this education

[1:15:37] piece around driving really is a

[1:15:39] real component and addressing a

[1:15:41] lot of our pedestrian safety

[1:15:44] issues. This is timely and

[1:15:45] relevant. Without objection

[1:15:49] we'll move item number 7 for

[1:15:49] passage.

[1:15:50] >> DR. Dudas: to the chair, item

[1:15:52] number 8 is a motion submitted

[1:15:54] by council members johnson,

[1:15:56] walsh, owens and jeffreys, this

[1:15:57] questions that the

[1:16:00] administration prepare a report

[1:16:02] within 90 days related to the

[1:16:05] pro's and con's of MR. Project

[1:16:08] labor

[1:16:09] projectlabor

[1:16:15] of project laboragreements.

[1:16:16] >> Councilmember Walsh: this a

[1:16:16] straightforward motion. There

[1:16:18] is a lot of conversations

[1:16:21] publicly behind the scenes about

[1:16:22] project labor agreements a a lot

[1:16:24] of things are being said, pro

[1:16:26] and con. And so we're simply

[1:16:27] asking the administration to put

[1:16:28] things on paper so we can get a

[1:16:29] firm understanding as a council

[1:16:32] ever what is being talked about

[1:16:34] about plas instead of everybody

[1:16:35] having a different view and

[1:16:37] perspective of it. We had

[1:16:38] conversation with looking into

[1:16:41] this and putting a report

[1:16:42] together.

[1:16:43] >> Councilmember Harris: great.

[1:16:44] Without objection we'll move

[1:16:46] item number 8 for passage.

[1:16:48] >> DR. Dudas: to the chair, item

[1:16:50] number 9 is a motion sub notice

[1:16:51] I had about councilmember walsh,

[1:16:54] harris and parks, this motion

[1:16:55] requests the administration

[1:16:57] provide a report within 90 days

[1:16:59] regarding the process of

[1:17:02] replacing trees planted in the

[1:17:04] right of way around the city

[1:17:06] that have damaged adjacent

[1:17:10] sidewalks and other private

[1:17:12] property also looking at a

[1:17:15] replacement time line for those

[1:17:17] trees.

[1:17:18] >> Councilmember Walsh: thank

[1:17:19] you again, MR. CHAIRMAN, I don't

[1:17:21] want to take credit for this. A

[1:17:23] conversation that started last

[1:17:24] year before my time on council.

[1:17:26] There is a lot of trees planted

[1:17:29] in tree wells that have caused

[1:17:30] property damage to the sidewalks

[1:17:31] and as the city comes through

[1:17:34] and replaces them gets charged

[1:17:36] back to the property own every.

[1:17:37] This council has had discussions

[1:17:38] about what does that look like

[1:17:42] and the cost for us as a city to

[1:17:42] take on that since it is our,

[1:17:44] since we caused the damage.

[1:17:46] This report just formalizes that

[1:17:47] so we can get some answers and

[1:17:51] make a decision as a council.

[1:17:53] >> Councilmember Harris:

[1:17:53] absolutely. PRESIDENT Pro tem

[1:17:57] parks, anything to add?

[1:17:58] Okay. All right, without

[1:18:03] objection we'll move item number 9 for passage. Items 10

[1:18:09] and 1 we will file. With that I

[1:18:11] move that the committee move

[1:18:13] into executive session pursuant

[1:18:19] to ohio revised code 121.22234

[1:18:21] to discuss with the solicitor

[1:18:23] about, with the city solicitor

[1:18:26] for an update on ongoing fire

[1:18:27] negotiations. Sorry. Samantha

[1:18:34] you almost had a -- do I have a

[1:18:34] second?

[1:18:35] >> Councilmember Cramerding:

[1:18:36] second.

[1:18:36] >> Councilmember Harris: all

[1:18:37] right. We will move into

[1:18:40] executive session. We will come

[1:18:42] back to -- do I need to do roll

[1:18:43] call?

[1:18:44] I'm sorry I did a first and

[1:18:45] second I should do a roll call.

[1:18:48] Roll call, please.

[1:19:04] >> [All respond yes].

[1:19:04] >> Councilmember Harris: all

[1:19:07] right. We will move into

[1:19:09] executive session. (Council in

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