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in progress.
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» All right, quite focus without my
glasses. I think we can call this
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meeting to order.
Uh shall we have the roll call?
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» Yes.
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» Commissioner Chan
>> here.
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» Commissioner Chang Frank
>> here.
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» Commissioner Logan
>> here.
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» Commissioner Martin
>> here.
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» Commissioner Trinkle
>> here. and Chair Abbott
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» here.
>> As of right now, Commissioner Kent is
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absent. Um, and we do have our new
commissioner starting tonight,
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Commissioner Jennifer Logan.
>> Welcome.
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» Welcome.
>> Uh, did Commissioner Kent say he
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wouldn't be here or he may show up or we
don't know.
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» Um, I didn't get a message saying that
he was not.
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» We didn't send out a [laughter] We'll
see. We have certainly have a quorum
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though. That one's unmarked. Okay.
I will read the uh land acknowledgement.
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Uh the city of Albany recognizes that we
occupy the land originally protected by
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the Confederated villages of Lejon. We
acknowledge the genocide that took place
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on these lands and must make strides to
repay the moral debt that is owed to
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this indigenous people, specifically the
Aloney tribe. We thank them for their
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contributions which have transformed our
community will continue to bring forth
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growth and unity. City of Albany commits
to sustaining ongoing relationships with
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the tribe and together build a better
future for all that now make this their
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home.
>> There we go.
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» And we are going to welcome Commissioner
Kent.
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» Excellent.
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We'll give him a moment to uh get
settled.
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» Actually um while he's getting settled,
I just wanted to give an update that um
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we are going to bump uh item 4.4-2 4-2
from the agenda. Um, our Dena, our
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community development director who is
presenting this is sick and I think um I
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think it's a good project for her to
introduce herself to the commission and
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so um uh we're going to push it a month.
>> Fair enough. Thank you.
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» Sure.
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» And let's get the minutes roll of the
minutes from the last meeting. Any
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» I move to approve the minutes.
>> All right. Have a second.
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» You may want to view them or
>> uh
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» you have a comment or
>> No, that just our newest commissioners
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probably abstain from this one because
wasn't here.
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» But otherwise, um I I second.
>> Okay. Very good.
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» Commissioner Chang.
>> Yes.
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» Commissioner Chang Frank. Yes.
>> Commissioner Ch Kent.
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» Yes.
>> Commissioner Logan's going to abstain.
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Commissioner Martin.
>> Yes.
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» Commissioner Trinkle.
>> Yes.
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» And Chair Abbott.
>> Yes. All right. Very good.
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» Motion passes.
>> Motion passes.
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» All right. Public comment. I see no
public in the room. How about virtual
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people?
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» Uh, no hands raised online.
>> Okay. Very good.
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another few seconds. All right,
moving on then. Presentations. I believe
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one is Prop 68 measure M funded projects
update.
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Jamar to
>> Yeah,
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I hope you have it. [laughter]
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welloiled machine.
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» Sorry. Trying to get it to the
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There we go.
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All right.
All right. All right. Good evening,
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commissioners. My name is Andre
Sterling, project manager at public
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works. Here to give you an update on our
Prop 68 projects uh for this year. So,
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we can go to the next slide. So, we're
going to discuss specifically uh Pier
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Street Park uh the access and landscape
improvements project, Jules Terrace Park
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shade improvements and dog amenities, as
well as a brief update on the Dartmouth
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tot lot uh seating element upgrade.
So, next slide, please.
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So, we just wanted to highlight uh one
project that was completed since our
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last uh update uh with pros commission.
Uh that's the path lighting project at
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Memorial Park. That those were the five
new lamp posts that were installed
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there. Uh completed in August of 2025.
So, it gives obviously more security
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there at night at the park as well as a
warm color temperature uh lighting
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there.
All right, next slide, please.
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So, our first update is on uh Pier
Street Park access, landscape, and shade
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improvements, and it's all based on the
recommendations uh from the pros master
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plan. So, next slide,
just as a review of the project scope
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since it's been a while uh since our
last update. So, new entry stairs, two
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sets of stairs with handrails. Uh and
that's made from repurposed eucalyptus
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tree lumber from Albany Hill. uh new
landscape boulders, a native plant
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material and trees uh that will be
planted uh new asphalt path with a
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ballard
new shade structure for uh the play
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equipment.
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Here's our uh conceptual layout. So,
it's going to be done in two phases. So
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phase one would be the access
improvements and as we said with the
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with the scope uh a new asphalt path
that's in the north side of the park uh
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there we're going to relocate some of
the existing boulders and also install
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new landscape boulders uh to direct
traffic to the new entry uh stairways
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there.
And then uh of course uh the plant
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material with the trees and also
installing uh phase two the new shade
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structure for the play equipment.
All right, next slide please. That's a
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rendering there of the south uh side of
the park uh with newly planted trees,
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new landscape boulders, the new lumber
uh staircase there.
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Then next slide.
And then the north side with the asphalt
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path uh another lumber entry stairway
and then new trees planted near the
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benches as well as throughout the
hillside.
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All right, next slide. So for phase two,
we're looking at three options for a
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shade structure uh cantal lever style as
well as a shade cell. And the
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considerations uh for this decision will
be uh based on which one is more cost-
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effective but more importantly which one
provides the best coverage for the play
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equipment. Uh there will be a shade
study performed uh to help us make that
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decision as well. Uh since these are
somewhat substantial structures, they're
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going to be based on uh engineering
plans.
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All right, next slide please. Here's our
our tentative schedule. So, we're we're
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in the uh the bid phase at the moment
and hoping to award the contract the end
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of this month uh and start construction
in March and completed uh in about a
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couple months.
All right, our next slide.
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So, our next project um in the queue
would be uh the Jules Terrace Park, a
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shade improvements
uh and dog amenities project. So,
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looking to install shade elements uh
there in the picnic area uh which could
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be a grove of trees or material
furnishing. And then the dog amenities
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upgrade would be installing a new
signage indicating dog and dog owner
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etiquette as well as developing a system
that defines the dog play area that's
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there.
All based on recommendations from the
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pros master plan. All right, next slide
please.
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So the preliminary scope involves uh
obviously the picnic area and just
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planting additional trees there uh to
provide shading for the the picnic
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tables and then at the the southwest
corner of the park
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uh which is usually used for dog play or
for like a dog play area there. Uh there
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could be a possibility of uh installing
a fence [snorts] there to basically make
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it an official dog run uh for the dogs
there.
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Uh next slide please.
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Then our tenative schedule
uh again would be uh design completing
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the design phase uh sending the project
out for bid in March awarding the
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contract shortly after in May and then
starting construction in June and since
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it's a smaller uh project it should be
completed within a month.
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All right, next slide please.
All right, just a brief update on the
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Dartmouth tot lot of the seating element
uh upgrade. So basically to replace
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uncomfortable seating elements that are
the existing uh seating that's there and
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prioritizing community and comfort. So
the considerations for that again uh the
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most cost-effective option but also
considering comfort and uh most
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importantly safety for the users of the
tot lot and looking at also what best
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fits the space as far as size dimension
but also aesthetics of the tot lot
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and that concludes the presentation.
>> All right, thank you very much. Bring it
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to the commission for questions. You
have any questions?
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the dates. Um yeah, I had a few. One was
for Pier Street Park. Um
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the um plantings, you said there's going
to be drought tolerant plants or native
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plants or something.
>> Native plants. Yes. And uh I know the
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first round when the park was first
built and commissioned the bunch of the
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trees that were planted died and it was
um John Hawkage the city urban forester
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said there was it was freeway soil. It
was just bad news and um maybe there
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wasn't a sufficient um watering or
something irrigation. Do you know if
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there's any plans for um doing a
different strategy that will hopefully
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lead to better success on the
landscaping?
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» Yeah, that's a good question. I know
that we were discussing we do have some
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quick couplers that are there and we're
not going to add irrigation at this
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point. That's not in this project scope,
but we are discussing another solution
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for at least watering. But the soil, I
know we we've done amendments in the
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past and we can probably discuss that
looking into improving the soil quality,
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but we're not sure how much that's going
to improve.
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» I can I can maybe jump in since I was
sort of involved in the sort of the
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initial construction as well as the the
the tree issues. Um some of the trees
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are doing okay and other ones um it is a
difficult environment because it is a
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hard pack soil plus there's lots of um
lots of debris in it. So
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um once a tree takes hold like it it
tends to stay it tends to go but there
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we have replaced a lot of the trees over
time. So that's something we'll find one
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that works and um we are trying to water
them more on a more regular type basis
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but without an irrigation system. Um in
terms of amending the soil um we we did
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for lots of years and it's it's it's
really just a difficult a difficult
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location. So, I'm I think there are some
plants out there that are doing well and
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we'll try to um use those, but um I
think that's going to be a ongoing
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challenge. Um right now it looks great.
We were out there today with Calrans,
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but it uh uh the native plants, you
know, um
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once uh without an irrigation system,
they they kind of go brown pretty
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quickly.
>> Okay. Um it says the bid phase was in
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December with breaking ground in March.
Um for the shade options you showed us
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three. Uh how is that decision going to
be made? When is that decision going to
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be made and who will be making that
decision?
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» Well, we're we can look to your
recommendation as well for input on that
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decision.
uh based on the cost u because we do
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have uh a limit to the grant funding as
well as the matching funds. Um but we're
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working with a contractor that's
providing a shade study that's basically
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going to give us the best look at the
best uh shade coverage for the area. So
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with those factors
um obviously aesthetics, we don't want
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something that's going to be an
>> eyesore.
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» Um
>> but the bids went out in December. Does
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that mean the plan somewhat people were
bidding on it with an unfinished plan or
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» I'm sorry
>> you said the bids went out in December.
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» Yes.
>> Does that mean the
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request for um proposals or whatever the
the bids um does that mean that they
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didn't know which option it was going to
be, but they're still going to come up
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with a dollar figure or how does that
work?
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» Good question. So we sent out we sent
out the RFP and basically with a
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recommendation uh for a shade structure
but uh they can present an as equal um
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option and looking at those um again
it's going to be a slightly uh varying
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cost in each one. Um but each contractor
does know uh that's going to whoever's
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going to submit the bid they know that
is we will accept an as equal to
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whatever recommendations that we sent
out. Right. Um and for Jules Terrace
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Park, that area where you've um said
might be fenced off, uh who's going to
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make the decision as to whether or not
it's fenced off and um you have a sense
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of roughly how big that area is compared
to um the Memorial Park, dog park?
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» Yeah. So, we're going to still we're
still developing the project scope and
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once we have a more finalized scope, we
can come back to pros and present uh
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present that to you basically to make
that decision. Um, that's an option. Um,
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I don't know how much public polling was
was done involving or in the past with
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the park, but that's just an option.
We're not saying that's the final
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decision.
Um,
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and then for the shade for the picnic
area, said it could be plants or it
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could be like the awnings or something.
Um, do you know who decides that and and
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how that works?
>> Yeah, that could also be presented to
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pros for recommendation, but there were
trees planted there previously that were
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removed. So, it would make sense to keep
it a more natural area and just replant
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some trees, native trees there. We're
going to work closely with John Oidge as
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well with that.
>> Okay. Thanks.
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» Okay. Other questions?
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» Sure.
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» Thank you. So, the boulders up top are
to keep people from driving cars on or
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keeping control access.
>> Yeah, that's for vehicle traffic. Um,
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it's going to be a six foot wide path
with a ballard uh in the middle.
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So, similar to the path that's there. I
know there's two ballards there,
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existing ballards on the other path.
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that's not included in this project
scope.
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» So I can jump in on that. The path the
future path will connect into this um a
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little further to the north. I think
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» well it's going to connect to the south
and then come connect to it's it's
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connecting on both sides.
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But more serious
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test.
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» Um, we haven't done soils tests. Um, I
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, my speaker was off.
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There we go. people can hear me. Okay.
Um
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» we haven't done soil stress. That might
be something we could do. But it is heav
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so it's it is the old um highway
offramps.
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» Yeah. So I know other places like that
where it's just almost impossible to
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grow and some arborists they just don't
even try. They walk away from it that
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it's our park. So we have to can't walk
away from it. It's not an option.
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» Can we augur down you know and just
drill a big hole through it? get some
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get the roots down deeper or is it just
like 20 feet and
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» we could we at this point we could try
almost anything and it's what like what
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what we're doing is marginally effective
like there's there's some trees that are
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doing okay and and and others that just
no matter how many times we replant them
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they were kind of getting the same
thing. So I'm I'm open to almost
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anything and I'm sure John would be too.
I don't have any solutions on
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» the trees that are doing well. Are they
specific varieties or just whatever that
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right place and right
>> right right place right time. I think I
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think one of the struggles you know
there um so we did amend it um several
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times and every time we would try to
rotoill just more pipe and rock and
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broken up everything that
chunks of concrete from the the highway
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keep So so it's it's it's not great
material.
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» Yeah. Right.
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Okay. Um,
>> we could I like the idea of the augur. I
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can talk to John about that.
>> Yeah. I mean, often we if we're working
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in industrial sites, you dig dig a hole
and they fill it with water and see how
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long it takes to if it takes two days
and water's still sitting there, then
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it's a drainage problem. Then you augur
and
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» Okay.
>> Yeah, maybe be that. It's also obviously
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bad soil.
Not that it's not like it's going to get
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down 18 inches and find good stuff,
right?
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» Okay. Other uh other questions?
>> Yeah, I just had a question. Can you
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show the um Jules Terrace Park diagram
and go towards that? You we talked a
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little bit about that dog run. That's
what um Commissioner Martin was asking
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about the fenced off area. Is that
right? Is it okay?
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» So I don't I mean um
maybe I'm not recalling correctly. Was
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that in the master plan as Okay.
>> Okay. As recommendation. Okay. So I
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don't remember
talking discussing that in depth at any
[20:17]
point here on this commission. So just
warning warning. I feel like that might
[20:23]
be a big issue potentially for
neighbors. And not to say that overall
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the city may totally support it, but
it's just something we should be um we
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should make sure that the process is
good and that there's a lot of public
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involvement and a lot of notification.
Um
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not to say either way, but just to make
sure everybody who has a stake in it
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feels like they've they've been heard.
>> Definitely. I and I would just say that
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especially if we're going to put a fence
up, even if just signage, we should
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probably be sure and reach out, but but
if there's going to be a fence,
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» I guess this is no longer a question.
All right. Uh any other questions? We
[21:04]
jumped right to discussion.
>> I think questions I had have been asked.
[21:08]
So, uh go to public, open up for public
comment. Uh
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» no hands raised.
>> No hands raised. Okay. Very good. Now we
[21:19]
can have our discussion. I mean, you're
not really looking for anything from us
[21:23]
right now, right? You're just kind of an
update. You don't need
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» Just an update. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um
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» um I mean there is no irrigation, no
plans to have irrigation or did you try
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to?
No, there's no plans. And I guess part
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of that would be I know we did discuss
briefly that we have existing uh quick
[21:46]
couplers there and just developing
either a schedule um in that hillside
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there's yeah there's no irrigation
that's actually for the field area. So
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» that could be completed under another
project in the future but not with this.
[22:01]
I think one of the the issues in the
development of the project was um not
[22:06]
being irrigated because this was done in
the midst of a drought and the idea was
[22:11]
to have drought tolerant plants and not
have an established irrigation system.
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Um and um
did take the opportunity to put some
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quick couplers in there to handwater
things, but it's not a developed
[22:24]
irrigation system. And it's and it's
based off the um water service serving
[22:30]
the uh the restroom facility. So it
really doesn't have, you know, the
[22:34]
capacity that you would have to for a
developed system.
[22:38]
» It's not enough.
>> We wouldn't run it off the bathroom.
[22:42]
» Yeah. Um and and I was surprised at how
much irrigation I think was something
[22:47]
like $80,000 to establish a new
irrigation a new irrigation line.
[22:53]
Um there has been talk with East Bay Mud
bringing recycled water to the area but
[22:57]
I think that's
>> cheaper. It's not cheap and it's I think
[23:02]
a long way away
>> making its way right is into Berkeley
[23:06]
yet or
>> yeah I mean I think I think we've had
[23:10]
engagement with East Bay at different
times and I think they've run into
[23:14]
struggles with how to get alignment
there and and this is probably as far
[23:18]
away you know it's it's not a huge
demand and it's probably the most
[23:23]
expensive to serve.
[23:29]
And this also seems like an opportunity
to engage the community of friends of
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Thompson Pier Street Park whole park was
result of community involvement might be
[23:39]
bras
ever that
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even if it's even a bucket by the
>> true
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um any other comment
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Other than
>> Yeah. Yeah.
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» I did want to [clears throat] second uh
Commissioner Chang Frank's comment about
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the noticing for the dog run. Um so
because she and Commissioner Abbott and
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I were on the subcommittee for the um
Memorial Park dog park and that was it
[24:18]
was a huge elaborate affair. Um this I
necessarily anticipate it being as as
[24:23]
much of a thing, but it should be duly
noticed and um we have opportunities for
[24:29]
public input.
>> And one might think that because it's a
[24:32]
de facto dog park now it wouldn't
matter, but one would be wrong.
[24:35]
[laughter]
That's why I'm saying even if the signs
[24:39]
go up, you need to reach out.
>> Fair enough. All right. [laughter]
[24:43]
Little little gunshy here. All right.
[snorts] Uh any other comments?
[24:49]
» All right. Well, thank you very much.
Yeah, I I'm I think we're all excited to
[24:53]
see uh
>> Yeah, great to see all the progress,
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too.
>> It's really fun to see these actually
[24:57]
happening.
>> Thank you.
[24:58]
» We know you're making it all possible.
>> I think I have I think I have um I can
[25:03]
make it work.
>> Moving on to the park maintenance update
[25:07]
if we're ready.
>> Yes. Um
[25:10]
» and at the beginning of the meeting, if
some people just tuned in, we decided to
[25:14]
skip 42 because
>> Yes, 42. We're skipp
[25:26]
Well, you know, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna
call a chair's prerogative and say we
[25:31]
may now reopen public public comment. If
you would like to step up and and have
[25:36]
your three minutes, please
[25:48]
I just joined the of the USA Northern
California. Um, so I'm here for a couple
[25:53]
reasons. One is, um, I just want to make
the commission aware of fact that
[25:58]
there's a fair amount of grant funding
that the national USDA makes available
[26:03]
for, um, for local t local
organizations, whether it's um, whether
[26:10]
it's, you know, community tennis
associations or cities. And so I just
[26:14]
want to make myself a resource to thank
anybody if anybody's interested and
[26:18]
wants to learn more about that. Um I'd
be happy to be or to connect you with
[26:23]
some a staff member at the USDA Noral
organization. Um so I wanted to offer
[26:29]
myself as that. Then I also just wanted
to comment that I think the courts at
[26:33]
Terrace and uh Memorial falling into
pretty like high level disrepair. um
[26:39]
which I think is it's I'm sure you guys
have noticed and probably heard from
[26:43]
other people at some point, but I just
wanted to point it out and um let you
[26:49]
guys know that they're they get used a
ton and um to the point where I don't
[26:54]
play as much at memorial as I used to
because I have to reserve reserve them
[26:58]
if I want to. Um but uh they're great
sports. It's a great park and um I would
[27:04]
hope that at some point they get fixed
up fixed up a little bit and um All
[27:10]
right. Well, thank you very much.
>> And to be clear, it's US and not USDA.
[27:16]
» That's true. That's right. I work with
US in my regular life and I do not want
[27:22]
to have anything to do with that.
>> Um just I give you a little preview of
[27:28]
the next um presentation here talking
about park maintenance and one of the
[27:31]
upcoming projects for this uh this year.
Uh we have established a annual park
[27:36]
rehabilitation program and we're going
to redo the courts at uh Terrace Park.
[27:40]
» Okay.
>> It's a little snippet.
[27:43]
» Yeah. Julia knows who I am but if
anybody wants to get my contact
[27:47]
information
>> I'll give you
[27:51]
» city is notoriously uninterested in
sources of money. [laughter]
[27:57]
Sure.
It can be large amounts of money for
[28:00]
really large projects or small like
there's a fair amount coming that's
[28:04]
small micro grants like in the $2,500
range for like if you want to buy like
[28:09]
new benches or like new nets for all of
the ports or things like that. So
[28:13]
there's like there's different types of
programs. I am not an expert but I'm
[28:17]
learning about it and I can definitely
connect with experts to all right
[28:20]
» to learn more about it.
>> Well, thank you. I think they will
[28:22]
gladly take your information. Thanks so
much for coming down and making your
[28:25]
comments.
>> Thank you guys. All right, we will now
[28:27]
close public comment, move to item 43,
of which we've had a tantalizing little
[28:33]
preview. [laughter]
Um, I think I could just um The fonts
[28:39]
got a little jacked up when I opened it
here. So, I did I saved it as a PDF. So,
[28:44]
that might
um
[28:49]
work.
[29:05]
Anything's open.
[29:15]
Maybe you can drive
just take the PDF.
[29:31]
You got it.
[29:35]
I stop sharing because I think I was
messing things up.
[30:05]
And that's where I got stumped.
[laughter]
[30:16]
» Here, I got it. I got it now.
>> Okay.
[30:18]
» Yep. All right.
>> We're just texting you guys to make sure
[30:22]
you guys are still woke. All right. Back
to our regular scheduling program.
[30:28]
» Okay. So,
[30:36]
Um we go. All right. So this is a um
update on our parks maintenance. So this
[30:45]
is something we were trying to do a
number of times a year, but um due to
[30:50]
staff staff turnover, whatnot, we got
out of cycle. So, this is my attempt to
[30:54]
kind of bring us back up to speed and uh
let everyone know where we are with some
[31:00]
of the uh park maintenance things. So,
let me jump in and um
[31:05]
so we're just going to give an overview
of uh our approach to ma um park
[31:11]
maintenance um see how it fits within
the larger public works uh environment
[31:15]
and then some of the key activities
we've been doing. Um one of the things
[31:18]
I'm really excited about is SB 1383. Um,
this is something that we've talked
[31:23]
about uh at prior council meeting or
commission meetings and has uh been a
[31:29]
struggle and there's been some recent
developments and changes that are
[31:33]
actually in our favor which I'm really
excited about. Um, and then we'll just
[31:38]
touch on some upcoming projects
including the um uh the the tennis
[31:43]
courts that uh we mentioned.
So um so public works has what I think
[31:50]
one of the broader scopes of um scopes
of work within the the the city. Um we
[31:56]
have uh what is it 16 uh FTEEs as
full-time equivalents and then a single
[32:02]
part-time person and that and that take
we take care of a lot of things within
[32:08]
the city. everything from delivering
capital projects which Andre talked
[32:11]
about to maintaining all the
infrastructure and and uh things in our
[32:16]
rightway and just from I think this is
how we organize ourselves within the
[32:22]
budgets and things of that sort. We have
sort of functional areas, capital
[32:25]
improvements, rightway, buildings and
facilities, parks and playfields, open
[32:30]
space and then sort of departmental
management. Um and so like in in right
[32:37]
away it's everything from operation and
maintenance of the storm storm drains
[32:41]
regul regulatory uh requirements trash
and graffiti
[32:46]
um buildings and facilities. It's you
know just the the general maintenance of
[32:49]
the build of the of the facil facilities
in um parks and open space. This is um
[32:57]
you know all of our structured parks and
I'll say that's like Terrace Park and
[33:02]
and um I even include the greenway in
there to a certain extent. Um uh and the
[33:08]
open spaces are more of the bulb and
Albany Hill, Cornis Creek. So that's
[33:13]
that's sort of our our division of labor
there. Um and our approach to
[33:19]
maintenance generally speaking, we have
um seven maintenance workers, three of
[33:24]
which are lead workers. So that's um
they're responsible for a functional
[33:30]
area. So we have one person around PI
Parks and we see uh Michael Michael Hog
[33:35]
he's our uh lead worker for parks and um
so he's kneede in everything related to
[33:40]
parks and and um uh lead workers aren't
ex you know we're not large enough to
[33:47]
have people exclusively with parks. So
um we do everything but as a lead worker
[33:53]
the idea is he he's spending a portion
of his time understanding what's going
[33:58]
on in park. So when there is an issue,
he has the contacts to go out and and
[34:02]
and address it. Um and then we have a
lead worker for public rideway and then
[34:08]
a lead worker for buildings. And they're
supported by four maintenance workers
[34:13]
and these are level two. Um right now we
um we have um we're down a couple people
[34:20]
for various reasons. So we're down two
people. We're looking to kind of bring
[34:23]
that back up. So that that's a um
constraint in what we can do.
[34:29]
Um, and then we have the public works
manager, which is a vacant position
[34:33]
right now. And then we have a project
manager, Andre, who helps support
[34:38]
projects, and then the or urban
forester. And so that's that's sort of
[34:42]
the key folks that are involved in um
managing uh the the parks.
[34:50]
Um the park maintenance, we have some
sort of what I call core activities, and
[34:56]
we call this the trash run. And it's
that's more of um more than just picking
[35:01]
up the trash. What it is, it's a
structured time that we go through all
[35:04]
the parks. So, uh Memorial Park is we
have a um I think it's route A or
[35:10]
whatever. We have a Monday, Wednesday, a
Monday, Friday trash run. And this is
[35:14]
where we go through Memorial Memorial
Park, Terrace Park, uh Ocean View Park.
[35:19]
We pick up the trash. We blow all the um
the uh pathways. We make sure that the
[35:25]
the sand in the sandboxes are at the
right level and there, you know, we we
[35:29]
make sure there's no issues with that.
We make sure the bathrooms are stocked.
[35:33]
If there's other issues in going in the
park, we either address it right then.
[35:37]
Maybe it's a graffiti issue or we put it
on a list that that gets done
[35:41]
separately. So, it's really our eyes in
the park uh making sure that it's it's
[35:46]
functional. We also have um
you know in different parks different so
[35:52]
basically Monday, Wednesday, Friday we
do some version of trash run throughout
[35:56]
the city. Um and then we also do what we
call the weekend service and this was
[36:01]
something we uh brought on I would say a
couple years ago coming out of COVID
[36:05]
where we found and this is again a good
problem to have our parks get a lot of
[36:10]
use. So we would our idea is that we
would empty the trash on a Friday it
[36:14]
would be you know and that would be
enough capacity to le last us through
[36:18]
the uh through Monday when we get
another trash run. That's not the case
[36:23]
after sat after Saturday. In a lot of
cases the parks need a little bit of a
[36:26]
tuning up. So, we bring in a maintenance
worker on overtime uh for four hours um
[36:33]
four hours on a Sunday morning to really
just make sure things are ready for the
[36:39]
next day's uh activities in the parks.
And so there's, you know, particularly
[36:43]
Memorial Park and Ocean View parks get a
lot of picnics and parties and things of
[36:47]
that sort. So, um that's been really
helpful to um that was that was um one
[36:54]
of our largest area of complaints and I
think we've really addressed that. So,
[36:58]
the complaints are dropping
significantly.
[37:01]
Um, and I'll jump to like we coordinate
with wreck a lot on this issue because
[37:08]
um, when
recreation has a park attendant out
[37:13]
there and that that person is there to
assist people doing rentals and and
[37:19]
whatnot and that person does some of the
lift. Um, but we want to make sure that
[37:25]
we come in and do some like underlying
heavy stuff. Make sure the restrooms are
[37:29]
stocked. If there's trash cans
overflowing from the year the the day
[37:33]
before, we make sure that's taken care
of and and cleaned up across all of our
[37:37]
parks. But then the attendant can deal
with sort of the, you know, wiping down
[37:42]
tables and helping with trash, but not,
you know, they they just don't have the
[37:48]
facilities to do it like we do. Um, and
then for our we also rely on contractors
[37:55]
particularly in the landscape
maintenance. We um irrigation management
[37:59]
and uh trees, you know, we don't we
don't have a tree crew. We also bring in
[38:04]
specialty stuff. We had a storm drain
issue in Memorial Park this last year
[38:07]
and so we brought in someone to help
clear some storm drains to um help with
[38:12]
some drainage problems. So, um you know,
that's
[38:18]
there's it's really a nice combination
of work that we do in house versus stuff
[38:23]
that we contract out. And my thought is
we want to
[38:29]
do work inhouse that we are best suited
to. So things like the trash run like we
[38:34]
know our parks. We going to go do the
thing and we can identify when there is
[38:38]
an issue and bring it up and if we if we
can take care of it we can we'll do it.
[38:43]
if we need to bring in a contractor um
we will and and I think that's that's
[38:48]
working and in a lot of cases our
maintenance workers are helping make the
[38:52]
decision of what we can do and what we
can't do. Um and then we rely on
[38:57]
community partnerships and this is
primarily you know Alb Unified um
[39:01]
particularly with the the baseball team.
They take a really um uh active um
[39:09]
engagement in maintaining uh
particularly the ball field in Memorial
[39:13]
Park as well as other things and other
other people who use the fields come in
[39:18]
and do work days and so forth.
Um,
[39:24]
so some of the key activities we've done
since um, uh, last the last update,
[39:30]
which I think was almost like a year and
a half, two years ago, which so I'm want
[39:34]
to get back on cycle on this. Um, one
thing we did a restroom refresh for
[39:38]
Memorial Park, Ocean View, and uh,
Terrace Park. And Memorial Park was
[39:43]
probably the largest largest one of
these. Um and if you recall maybe what
[39:48]
was that two 2016 2017 there was the
update of the uh restrooms in Memorial
[39:54]
Park um I would say in the last couple
years they were really in a again they
[40:00]
get a lot of use and which is good but
um they were showing some wear and tear
[40:05]
particularly with the partitions at
Memorial Park we pulled all the
[40:08]
partitions out took everything and uh we
uh redid a surface uh floor surface on
[40:15]
it so So, it's more of an epoxy and
hopefully that will last better. We got
[40:19]
new brackets. I think Andre spent a lot
of time trying to uh track down the
[40:24]
manufacturer and get brackets to make
sure one one of the things the brackets
[40:28]
were were broken. So, the um partitions
were just all over the place and they
[40:34]
weren't they weren't functioning. So, we
cleaned the graffiti, we recoted them,
[40:39]
reinstalled them, and they look pretty
good. um at Terrace Park in Ocean View,
[40:47]
we essentially repainted the inside and
outside because again they were looking
[40:50]
tired and that was done uh with our
staff.
[40:55]
Um and then one of the things we've been
doing the last couple years um
[41:01]
uh and this is primarily in response to
the SP 1383 was the winter and summer uh
[41:07]
services for the fields. So, this is
where we um close the fields. Um the
[41:12]
winter service we're just coming out of.
We close the fields uh in early uh late
[41:17]
November and excuse me. Uh they're
basically closed through December and
[41:23]
January. We do a uh uh a top coating of
of compost. We uh airate uh we we seed
[41:31]
and it's it's this year. I've got a
picture of it at at Memorial Park. It
[41:37]
really looks good. Um, so
this is an opportunity. The fields get a
[41:43]
lot of play time. We don't use really
any fertilizers or any sort of other
[41:48]
amendments. So giving time for the
fields to breathe and just um put some
[41:54]
compost on, we water it and let it go
without anyone u on it is really showing
[42:00]
some um some uh improvement. Um and at
Ocean View there were a number of uh
[42:07]
uh bare spots um that we were getting a
lot of complaints from particularly the
[42:12]
soccer folks about um playability in the
co in the fields being super hard, no
[42:17]
grass. Um and then we had some other
issues too with irrigation where um we
[42:22]
had some breaks in the line and areas
with coverage. So with this this
[42:27]
service, we went and um uh we had a
contractor with our with Michael um we
[42:32]
went and um uh basically did an audit of
our system figuring out where the
[42:37]
coverage issues were um and we
identified a number of leaks that we
[42:41]
fixed because there were there were
areas that were consistently wet and
[42:44]
then we have areas that were drying. So,
um hopefully we're going to have much
[42:50]
better performance on the um u
irrigation side which will help help the
[42:55]
fields. Um
then we also have done
[43:03]
this down here. This if you've been out
in the bulb, we constructed a new set of
[43:08]
ADA spaces. This came from a um a a
complaint from the public, not this last
[43:14]
July, but the prior July, with someone
who was had accessibility issues, was
[43:19]
having some struggles getting out to the
bulb. And um they brought it to our
[43:23]
attention and we realized that the spots
that we had there that were ADA that we
[43:29]
identified for ADA um
weren't really um up to snuff. And part
[43:36]
of it was
when East Bay Regional Parks built their
[43:41]
parking lot that took the pathway that
these
[43:46]
these spots um these spots use. So we
took a step back and we constructed
[43:52]
these uh two spots in the middle of the
um uh in that that sort of island area
[44:01]
between the pathway and the and the
road. Um, and so there are two nice
[44:05]
spots with a pathway to the trail and
then we uh fixed some of the issues
[44:10]
within the trail and I think that's
gotten a good response and it quite
[44:14]
frankly opened up a little more parking
spaces uh for uh other folks. So I think
[44:19]
that was a really good thing. Um we've
also done uh these picnic tables. You
[44:26]
really can't see it too well, but uh
Peter in our uh maintenance uh he's a
[44:31]
lead worker for buildings and he's
really good carpenter. He has replaced
[44:36]
at Memorial Park all of the old sort of
tres or or composite uh picnic material,
[44:44]
you know, material for the picnic
tables. And um they made it with nice
[44:49]
wood. And he's it is much easier to
maintain because as people cut things
[44:54]
into it or um uh do we we can sand it
out and repaint it and it's a much it's
[45:01]
a much better um long term for us to
maintain our plan. And we're um what he
[45:07]
does is he buys the wood and we let it
sit for a period of time so it dries
[45:11]
out. And we're planning to um do the
same thing at Terrace Park because they
[45:17]
have the same same type of um uh picnic
tables.
[45:23]
Um the other thing that we that's it's
on its way with the construction of the
[45:28]
dog park and this is uh back to the
comment about uh the dog. Nothing
[45:33]
changed in the dog park when we uh other
than switching the the gate location.
[45:39]
The park's basically the same. baseball
is basically the same, but uh balls
[45:44]
going over the over the fence were um a
big big issue and we got lots and lots
[45:49]
and lots of comments about that. So, we
we worked with uh Albany Unified and um
[45:55]
you know trying to figure out what
what's the real issue and it seems like
[46:00]
most of the comments come not during
games because the games really aren't
[46:03]
the problem. It's during practice where
someone's taking batting practice and
[46:08]
the coach is very passionate and and one
of the time we got lots of calls. They
[46:12]
were coming up against a a pitcher who
can like throw 90 whatever 90 miles per
[46:17]
hour and and everyone was fouling it off
and so you know everyone's practicing
[46:22]
and fing it all off to the dog park and
the dog park's full and so I think
[46:26]
that's that's the that's the sort of the
use case that we're trying to um to
[46:31]
address. So, we we found this product
that that's used at other high schools
[46:35]
and the uh Albany Unified coach said,
"Yeah, that's he's seen this work." And
[46:40]
it's called a um batting turtle. So,
it's kind of this cage that that you sit
[46:46]
in and it prevents foul balls from going
out in either ways. So, we have that on
[46:51]
the way. And as baseball's ramping up
now, our hope is um and as we've talked
[46:57]
with Sid is this this will be a
requirement to use um for anyone who's
[47:03]
renting the fields, whether it be Albby
Unified, the Cyclones, I guess that's a
[47:08]
travel ball team that uses it. Um the
Albany Little League, they'll use that
[47:13]
during practice and then games will will
happen as normal. So
[47:18]
» fold up or something.
>> Yeah, it's it it folds up. Apparently,
[47:21]
it's not too hard to move. It looks
gangly to me, but um uh they cleaned out
[47:26]
an area that they can keep it up on the
first baseline. And um I think I think
[47:31]
this hopefully this will um maybe not
address all the problems, but really
[47:37]
take a take a bite out of them. So, um
and then we also do um you we uh we just
[47:46]
finished uh pruning the trees in Terrace
Park today. Um so we do we've gone
[47:51]
through most of the parks doing uh
trimming work and uh we do play
[47:55]
equipment inspections. Um this helps we
actually have an outside person come and
[48:01]
identify you know defects with this in
the in the play equipment. This is the
[48:06]
play structures at the parks and you
know a lot of them are things that I
[48:10]
probably wouldn't have had caught like
um when the coating comes off of it that
[48:14]
creates an issue for the kids and and
whatnot. So, they give us
[48:17]
recommendations and we went through a
process of replacing a bunch of
[48:20]
equipment and we'll have another
inspection here in um well, not the
[48:25]
equipment itself. We've replaced
components of the the the damaged
[48:29]
components of the equipment and we'll
likely have another inspection here
[48:32]
shortly to see if anything else is going
on. Um and then we monitor all the the
[48:38]
sand and sort of fiber um playground
fiber, you know, safety surfaces in the
[48:43]
playground areas to make sure they're up
to stuff. Um they surprising how how
[48:48]
much stuff we go through. Um
uh and then
[48:55]
our challenges.
So it's this is the exact same slide
[49:00]
other than the updated pictures that we
had before. Um it's vandalism and
[49:04]
graffiti. Uh these pictures are from
last weekend where we had someone come
[49:10]
through and basically the same style of
graffiti starting at the bulb working.
[49:14]
that's all all the way through the parks
and up and down the greenway. Um
[49:20]
we have really made a concerted effort
to jump on graffiti as quickly as we
[49:25]
can. U we found that it goes away. Um
you know someone's going to do this but
[49:29]
if it we leave it there more comes if we
take care of it quickly. Um, I don't
[49:34]
know if you've noticed it with the
columns along the BART tracks where
[49:38]
we've we've basically taken over manage
of that from BART because they weren't
[49:43]
keeping up and it was really becoming an
issue.
[49:47]
Um, so some of the things we've done to
respond to the graffiti and vandalism is
[49:54]
um we have the weekend park checks and
that's kind of keeps us on on um you
[49:59]
know on top of things before it really
spins out of control. One of the things
[50:02]
we've done too, which is interesting, is
um the bathrooms lock on a timer and
[50:08]
we've adjusted those times
um just to throw people off just um and
[50:17]
like I I
one of the things we've we open them
[50:22]
later and sometimes it's after school
after school um starts because that
[50:27]
means people aren't
going around in the bathrooms before
[50:31]
school. And then um depending on what
the rentals are, particularly with
[50:36]
daylight savings, we shift the time
because you know they in the summertime
[50:41]
when there's b uh softball games going
on, we 10 o'clock's a perfect time. In
[50:46]
the winter it's not. And and what
happens is people go in there and we
[50:50]
have problems.
Um and we've coordinated with uh Alb
[50:54]
Unified and they've been really great to
help. Um particularly one of the issues
[50:57]
we've had was um uh trash during uh at
Memorial Park during lunch and um
[51:06]
they've been great to work with in terms
of yeah getting reminding people to do
[51:10]
it. We we coordinate our trash to our
Wednesday trash um to happen after
[51:18]
lunch. I don't know if our students have
noticed that, but um we we then you know
[51:24]
after lunch then we go and clean up the
park, make sure there's no overflowing
[51:28]
trash cans, and that seems to have
alleviated that issue. But um uh there's
[51:34]
usually someone from the school there
also reminding people to um to put away
[51:39]
their trash. But it and
I guess it's like
[51:44]
people for it it goes in waves. Um
and in some cases we involve all Albany
[51:53]
um police department um particularly
with um we have people um living you
[52:00]
know we'll we'll spend night in the
bathroom and so on things like that we
[52:04]
have our our maintenance workers call PD
to make sure it's safe to go in and
[52:08]
clean up.
Um
[52:12]
all right SP 1383.
So, this was a and just for people who
[52:18]
aren't familiar, this was a um state law
that was enacted, I don't know, four or
[52:25]
five years ago, something along those
lines. And it really it really impacted
[52:29]
how um uh solid waste management
happens. And um one of the components
[52:36]
that relates to us is um this this
requirement for purchasing and use of
[52:43]
organic material. So it was a a way of
uh developing a market for um organic
[52:50]
material for use in you know um whole
host of things you can do with it. Um so
[52:55]
each city was given an allocation based
on some formula and our initial
[53:00]
allocation was uh 1364 tons and this is
not tons of this was I I call this tons
[53:08]
of SP 1383 compliant organic material
because
[53:14]
» and that's annual
>> annually
[53:16]
» and because there's this long list of
things that can contribute and then a
[53:21]
conversion factor to this this madeup up
tons tons things. So um so I I have this
[53:30]
is all in um compliant organic material.
Um the 1364 was going to be a heavy
[53:39]
heavy lift not only for us but for every
other municipality. Um, and we jumped on
[53:46]
it and tried to do our and and the way
this was done, it was phased in over I
[53:50]
think it was four years or three or four
years where you would phase up and we
[53:54]
were meeting our targets and but quite
frankly
[53:58]
if the if things didn't change I I don't
know what we would have done. Um so our
[54:03]
target our revised target is now 460
which is hugely different and I think I
[54:10]
think um this was our local our local
regulator our local agency is stop waste
[54:16]
and they worked with um was it Cal
Recycle to lower the to to make the case
[54:22]
to lower the um uh requirements for
cities. So, and and that's that's great.
[54:26]
And now we're sitting in a great look a
great position because the our bakedin
[54:33]
uses are we do two annual um uh twice
annual compost giveaway and this is
[54:40]
through waste management. Um you can see
the the pallets and we have most of our
[54:44]
our crew out there. Um, and it's
something that, um, I think people line
[54:50]
up for pretty darn early in the morning.
And it's and it's a really good thing.
[54:54]
And that that provides about 69 tons.
And our our field services, our winter
[55:00]
is uh, almost 300. Our summer service,
which is very similar, but we do less
[55:06]
fields for less time. We only do the
ball fields instead of sort of broader
[55:12]
in the parks. And that's that's 215. And
then we support
[55:17]
uh compost to the compost hub and that's
at the gil track and that is that totals
[55:23]
662 which is way above our requirement
and so this this is this is great for
[55:29]
us. So now we're actually in a position
where we're digging into
[55:34]
um so when we when we started this and
and I'm I don't know if you guys
[55:38]
remember like we're just kind of
throwing everything out there trying to
[55:42]
get uses that make sense. Now we now
that we've met our requirement and from
[55:47]
what I understand this requirement is
going to stay stable unless there's some
[55:51]
other determination that we would have
time to react with it. So from my
[55:54]
perspective we're going to start
organizing our effort around meeting
[55:58]
that requirement while um I think
particularly for the um field services
[56:04]
we've gotten a lot of benefit out of um
out of doing this. So, what we're going
[56:09]
to probably do is go through and see
which ones are sort of the best the best
[56:15]
use for our money um in this and I could
see backing off on maybe the summer
[56:20]
service or some part of it and um and
really dialed this in to to be the most
[56:26]
impactful at at cost. So, um, we're in a
really good spot for this and we'll
[56:31]
we'll obviously not dial it in too tight
so that we, you know, we're not, um, so
[56:38]
we don't miss a compliance. And like
other things that we've tried to do in
[56:43]
public works, we um,
we want to make sure the activities that
[56:48]
we're doing flow into the compliance
reporting so that um, the first couple
[56:52]
years it was like, wait a minute, I
remember that project. Where's that
[56:55]
receipt? Let's get the thing. So, we
want to make sure that we we're actually
[57:00]
talking with Waste Management, our um
hauler to to to help us um
[57:08]
and right now we buy our our compost
through our landscape contractor and so
[57:13]
that has a higher higher cost. We can
buy it through Waste Management who has
[57:18]
a company that um makes out in the
Central Valley for organic farming and
[57:22]
whatnot. So, it's really really quality
stuff. um they can deliver it here. We
[57:26]
have a certain amount built into our
franchise and that could lower our unit
[57:30]
cost um pretty significantly in a um
uh in rough numbers. Um when we buy um
[57:41]
uh compost in this switching instead of
SP 1383 compliant units cubic yards
[57:46]
normal cubic yards we buy it for about
$50 a ton or a cubic yard um delivered
[57:55]
from aapokco we buy it from our
contractor at roughly 40 kind of pulling
[58:02]
it out it's roughly 40 I think with
waste management what what we have built
[58:07]
built into our contract, it might be
between 20 and 30, which really drops
[58:14]
our costs. So, um, so this is this is
like this is great. We can start
[58:19]
thinking about this rather than worrying
what's the, you know, giving it in
[58:24]
little baggies and everyone's going to
have to take some home for something.
[58:27]
So,
>> just thinking how much can we dump on on
[58:30]
Peggy Thompson,
>> right? Well, that seriously
[58:33]
» that that was one of our thoughts was
maybe we just make piles, compost piles,
[58:37]
and move them around and see what
happens. Um, yeah. Um,
[58:44]
so, and now we get to some
forwardlooking things. Um,
[58:49]
one of So, one of the things we've done
in all of our um all of our systems, and
[58:53]
I think you know, we've talked about the
the trees and street lights and and
[58:59]
things. We're kicking off an an uh an
effort actually I think in the coming
[59:04]
weeks um to do an ass inventory GIS
inventory of all the facilities in our
[59:10]
parks. So this will be a basis for us to
start doing um a replacement schedule um
[59:16]
around our play equipment and other
things fencing so that so one we're very
[59:21]
clear what we have what's what its
condition and then we can start um
[59:25]
putting a replacement program and this
goes handinhand with a new feature that
[59:29]
we have in our uh capital improvement
program. Um the we've in other areas
[59:35]
we've established these what we call it
programs like we have a sewer program,
[59:39]
we have a uh sidewalk program, we have a
road program and the idea is we want to
[59:45]
be investing a certain level every year
in and year out. Not so much in a um
[59:51]
like a signature project. is just in the
basic stuff so that we don't have
[59:55]
comments like we had today about you
know the the playability of our courts
[59:59]
um being in a in a in bad shape and you
know I I don't think there's there's a
[1:00:06]
lot of things are looking tired there
could use a refresh. So this is going to
[1:00:11]
be our um in the current CIP we have
about $200,000 a year for a fiveyear
[1:00:18]
plan. Hopefully when we get to the end
of that we can we can in the new plan
[1:00:23]
extend that and adjust it based on what
our needs are.
[1:00:28]
So this year we have a couple things in
the plan. We have at Memorial Park the
[1:00:32]
back stops at the the padding on the
back stop is just deteriorating before
[1:00:37]
our eyes. It's um and so we're going to
replace that. We're getting a quote for
[1:00:41]
that right now. And then we're going to
do the Par Terrace Park tennis courts.
[1:00:45]
And this is one thing that I wanted to
bring up with um unfortunately Dena is
[1:00:50]
not here. Um but I wanted to have the
conversation uh in the master plan. Um
[1:00:55]
there was discussion about flex courts
and what we do with flex courts and how
[1:00:59]
we integrate those. And one of the
opportunities to for flex courts is um
[1:01:05]
when we redo tennis courts and and it's
it's not a big lift to
[1:01:10]
paint lines to support another use. the
lift is are we all on the same page of
[1:01:16]
what that other use is and one of the
things I wanted to do and it's it's kind
[1:01:20]
of great that um we had the commenter
and Andre has contact because one of the
[1:01:26]
things I want to make sure is that we
don't degrade the playability for tennis
[1:01:29]
because um you know the courts at Albany
High are Albany High's home court the
[1:01:36]
the courts at Terrace Park are used by
St. Mary's College High School and um
[1:01:42]
and and so we want to make sure that
they're playable from a you know a match
[1:01:46]
play or whatever. Um but this is the
opportunity to bring that in. So um
[1:01:51]
that's one thing that I want to be
talking about so that um Andre doesn't
[1:01:56]
have to make it up himself. Um
and then uh we have the Aloney Linear
[1:02:02]
Park fitness equipment replacement. Um I
believe Andre has meeting with uh
[1:02:09]
vendors right now to look at different
options. So that should be coming to the
[1:02:13]
commission here um in 2026 if not um
early 2027. And then we want to do the
[1:02:21]
citywide turf audit. Um this to me is
one of the big things where we decide
[1:02:25]
where we want turf, where we don't want
turf, what what could it be? And that
[1:02:29]
folds into
a couple of other studies. the
[1:02:33]
programming along the Aloney Greenway
and Peggy Thompson Pier Street Park
[1:02:37]
which are you know slated for 27 and 28.
And in my mind the Aloney Greenway
[1:02:45]
programming and Peggy Thompson
programming go hand inand with the um
[1:02:50]
project that Dean is going to be leading
on the the sort of you know what what
[1:02:56]
uses can go in different places. Um,
so
[1:03:01]
and then
so we get into the measure. I don't have
[1:03:06]
budget numbers because I just quite
frankly didn't have enough time. Um, I
[1:03:10]
do have a um tab open to I have links.
Um, all this stuff is on our website, so
[1:03:17]
I can Let me see if I can get this up
here.
[1:03:21]
Um, [clears throat]
and show folks where it is.
[1:03:29]
Um
okay.
[1:03:39]
So
sharing we go.
[1:03:46]
So this is um on our website where we
detail really everything that's going on
[1:03:53]
in a lot lot of areas. This is the uh
page that deals with the measure M or
[1:03:58]
the open parks and open space part
parcel tax. Um these reports they have
[1:04:05]
reports here of um projects and pro
program expenditures and that's updated
[1:04:09]
annually. Um
give you a heads up it hasn't been
[1:04:13]
updated um with the new audit that was
just completed but um we're working on
[1:04:18]
that and should should be done fairly
soon. But it does detail
[1:04:23]
what we spend the money, what revenue
has been coming in by fiscal year, and
[1:04:27]
you can see exactly how we're spending
it. And um way we've budgeted things,
[1:04:32]
and it's a really
a a little bit of a tug a tug. It it
[1:04:37]
supports both operating costs as well as
capital. Um so it's um it's something we
[1:04:44]
keep an eye on and and probably will
adjust over time as needs as needs come.
[1:04:51]
Then
I have uh [groaning]
[1:04:58]
let me see and then um the next slides
around the um construction alerts. This
[1:05:05]
is another um city projects. We call it
construction alerts but it's it's really
[1:05:10]
um all projects on the website. We try
to keep this updated about all the
[1:05:14]
things going on in public works because
we have a lot of them. And we have um
[1:05:21]
uh every project has has a page um and
we try to give um here let's see if we
[1:05:29]
can get into this one. Um what we do is
identify the project the project number.
[1:05:36]
There's usually a um a contact a little
history. Um this was the Albany Albany
[1:05:43]
Hill um forest management plan. So we
have the the the final
[1:05:48]
uh we have documents related this one is
the plan development FAQs but then we
[1:05:53]
have all through the this is where the
sort of the repository of the history of
[1:05:58]
the projects and um so
we try to keep all I think some of it's
[1:06:05]
been archived but we try to keep
everything on here as long as we can so
[1:06:08]
that people can understand what's going
on and um
[1:06:13]
look to hear for the most current
information.
[1:06:18]
All right, let's see if we can get back
to
[1:06:28]
uh Oh.
[1:06:44]
All right.
[clears throat]
[1:06:49]
So, there's there's the link for
Oh,
[1:06:57]
there we go.
Um there's a construction zone
[1:07:01]
construction alert. Um and then finally,
how to report issues. So, um, one of the
[1:07:07]
things we do do is we've we have a, um,
uh, it's actually a GIS tool that you
[1:07:14]
can report an issue. You can report the
location, snap a picture, upload it, and
[1:07:20]
on the I guess the landing page, it's
called the first page of the when you go
[1:07:24]
to the website, we have these um uh tabs
down here and one's report an issue and
[1:07:30]
this will take you to to that and you
can uh report an issue and then Jamra
[1:07:37]
will tell one of us to go do it.
Um, and with that,
[1:07:43]
let's open it up to questions and
discussions.
[1:07:48]
» All right. Maybe you would like to take
a breath. [laughter]
[1:07:51]
That was a lot. Drink water or
something.
[1:07:54]
» Well, once I get going, I could I could
I [laughter] could keep going.
[1:07:58]
» Well, we should. All right. Uh,
questions.
[1:08:03]
» Clarifying question. The 200,000 for the
capital improvement plans over five is
[1:08:08]
that each year?
>> Yeah. So, it's a million dollars over
[1:08:10]
five years.
>> Okay. Thanks.
[1:08:15]
» Other questions?
>> Yeah, I had a few. Um, one was for for
[1:08:22]
maintenance. The staffing is important
and you said we're down some FTEES. You
[1:08:27]
mentioned there's 16 FTEEs in your
department with 16 point something with
[1:08:31]
the part-time. Um, how many of those
positions would you say are are vacant
[1:08:36]
now and what challenges, if any, do you
anticipate in filling them?
[1:08:39]
» So, we have um two open open positions
and one is someone's out on a different
[1:08:46]
issue. Um so part of it is um
uh the maintenance workers we've had
[1:08:52]
some turnover because um people find
different jobs and one of the things
[1:08:57]
that um
I think the people here have a a um a
[1:09:03]
good experience and it's a good place to
work but there's there's not a lot of
[1:09:06]
opportunity. you know, we we have a
small crew. There's not a lot of
[1:09:10]
movement and um uh all the people who
have left have left for like, oh yeah,
[1:09:15]
that makes sense. You're going to
another place, less commute, something
[1:09:19]
different. And so, um I think the
maintenance worker side is is something
[1:09:23]
that's just always going to be one of
these cycling in. The good news is we
[1:09:28]
have three really good um lead workers.
They're they're
[1:09:35]
I think all of them have been with the
city longer than me. I think some I
[1:09:39]
think Michael's probably the the the
longest tenure
[1:09:43]
maybe pushing 20 years. Um, so we we do
have some good institutional knowledge,
[1:09:49]
but what we don't want to have is um
uh we just had one one person uh retire
[1:09:57]
um a while ago about a year ago and AJ
he had been with the city for gosh and
[1:10:03]
he walked out with a lot of knowledge
that we're we just realized that we're
[1:10:07]
relying on him. So, one of the things
we're trying to do is is make it so that
[1:10:12]
everyone knows how to do everything in
some ways. So, it's it's um building
[1:10:17]
that capacity, but I think some of the
um
[1:10:23]
some of the um some of it's just part of
the part of do doing business and on on
[1:10:29]
that in in that maintenance worker side.
Um the office positions, we have a um uh
[1:10:37]
public um the public works manager
position open has been um open for a
[1:10:42]
while. Hoping to fill it here shortly.
Um but part of that was me wanting to
[1:10:48]
stick my that's why you're seeing more
and me more of me. Um I really stuck my
[1:10:52]
nose into that end side of the house to
really understand what's going on and
[1:10:57]
try to try to improve level of service.
So, I think we're at a point where we're
[1:11:01]
going to start bringing in people. And
one one of the things I want to do is uh
[1:11:05]
implement a new um uh
enterprise asset management program like
[1:11:12]
a work order program essentially that's
tied to more GIS. That's why we're
[1:11:16]
supporting the GIS. Um and and that will
help us be more effective on the work
[1:11:20]
order side of things.
>> Okay. Thanks. Um the uh for irrigation
[1:11:27]
you mentioned uh I said I remember
irrigation was going to be rerouted and
[1:11:33]
improved in the dog park was part of the
plan. It was very forward thinking. That
[1:11:37]
was great that you the city and you were
working on that. Um the irrigation
[1:11:42]
issues you discussed tonight, the dry
patches, the wet patches, is that there
[1:11:46]
is that what you're talking about or is
it lots of other locations? It's it's
[1:11:49]
it's really all over the place. And some
of it is um you I walked it with Michael
[1:11:55]
um and [clears throat] our and our
contractor um like over time some of the
[1:11:59]
irrigation heads because you know it's
mowing they get pushed down and so um
[1:12:05]
some of them get buried and some of them
are at an angle so they're not as
[1:12:09]
effective. Some of them are just broken
and like there's a crack down below and
[1:12:14]
and that's that's the persistent wet
spot. So it was really just diligently
[1:12:18]
going through the system and trying to
correct as many issues we as we can and
[1:12:23]
we've also done that along the greenway
to a certain extent.
[1:12:26]
» Okay. So those sounds like more like
local damage and things like that
[1:12:29]
whereas the dog park was a big system
that
[1:12:31]
» dog park
>> Yeah. dog park was a really unique thing
[1:12:34]
because
>> it different.
[1:12:35]
» Yeah. Be because the dog as you remember
the dog park wasn't a dog park. it was
[1:12:41]
» it was section B and then before that it
was uh an athletic field and the
[1:12:47]
irrigation system for that was comingled
with the the infield system. So when
[1:12:53]
they did the infield system they watered
you know you couldn't couldn't control
[1:12:57]
them and Andre and his project they
separated that so we don't
[1:13:01]
» so that was a big job and the other
things you're describing are little
[1:13:04]
repairs here. Yeah, they're they both
have impact because the area the areas
[1:13:10]
where um it was wet um like it was
always wet and so I I think this will be
[1:13:18]
you you'll have I think we'll have
better control and better performance of
[1:13:21]
the of the irrigation system and
therefore we'll have better um uh you
[1:13:28]
know
the grass will be will be much much
[1:13:32]
better condition. Um you mentioned the
picnic tables going to
[1:13:38]
actual wood
>> from the trex or whatever it was and um
[1:13:42]
do you anticipate any of the milled
lumber from the eucalyptus trees on Alb
[1:13:46]
Hill being used for things like that or
benches or
[1:13:49]
» probably not. I think um we've used that
in so Andre is using some in his part in
[1:13:54]
his um his project but we've also used
most of that on Albany Hill for small
[1:14:01]
retaining walls and steps and things of
that sort. So, um I and and I think
[1:14:06]
dimensionally that's not as consistent.
So, um I think I think it works better
[1:14:12]
on the hill than it does in a in the
park.
[1:14:15]
» Um Okay. And who owns Memorial Park
baseball field and what's the financial
[1:14:20]
agreement with the schools for the
baseball field and who paid for the
[1:14:23]
turtle?
>> Um so,
[1:14:28]
boy, there's a lot in there on that one.
Um so it is it the the city owns the BA
[1:14:33]
is owns the uh baseball field. It is a
um there's a joint facilities agreement
[1:14:40]
that outlines how a lot of the things
are done. Uh not just with ball fields
[1:14:46]
but um uh use of various school
facilities like we host I think we host
[1:14:52]
pickle ball in the in the gymnasium. Um,
[clears throat] in as far as the turtle,
[1:14:58]
we're buying the turtle um because it's
we have the obligation to maintain the
[1:15:04]
asset. And so this is this is this is
part of um addressing an issue about
[1:15:10]
playing playing as a baseball field, not
necessarily a Albany High School things
[1:15:16]
because it's used as an adult league.
There's there's many people that use it.
[1:15:21]
» Summer camps would maybe use it as well.
um not so much summer camp, but there's
[1:15:25]
there's um little league, there's a
travel ball, and if you drive by,
[1:15:30]
there's a an older like a like an adult
league that uses it. So, the idea would
[1:15:35]
be that whenever they're doing batting
practice or practice, they would need to
[1:15:39]
use the turtle. And then you mentioned
flex courts and um doing something with
[1:15:46]
I I'm forgetting exactly what you said
was going to be updated or considered
[1:15:50]
for updating in the tennis courts around
town. Um I was on the subcommittee with
[1:15:55]
Commissioner Chang Frank and
Commissioner Kent maybe on flex courts
[1:15:59]
and um and so that would be something
that would be I'm hoping would come
[1:16:05]
before us.
>> Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. um as
[1:16:07]
you're like before actual improvements
are done to the netting and
[1:16:11]
» yeah so I think what we would do is line
out a project line out a project and
[1:16:16]
hopefully and and hopefully through the
project that Dena's um doing we can get
[1:16:21]
some ideas of what a flex court means
>> and then that can flow into our design
[1:16:26]
that we would then come and present to
you guys that then would um uh receive
[1:16:32]
you know comments so that we're all on
the same page with what is being
[1:16:35]
constructed. Okay, great. And those
that's the kind of thing you anticipate
[1:16:40]
there's regular maintenance on the
courts throughout like annual or
[1:16:43]
whatever, but is this is this something
you see happening this year? Is it
[1:16:47]
» Yeah, I'm I
[1:16:52]
» possibly late spring.
>> Okay. In a few months.
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» Yeah.
>> Right. I look forward to that.
[1:16:58]
» Yes. So, so that's this this is the
first year of that program that we're
[1:17:01]
doing. So, we want to um like we want to
start getting ahead of steam um and and
[1:17:08]
took a little bit of time on the
sidewalk program. Now, now we execute
[1:17:12]
sidewalk pro uh projects without a lot
of um
[1:17:17]
they they come pretty routine, but in
the beginning it wasn't because we're
[1:17:21]
kind of finding our way and I think this
will be a little bit of that too. But I
[1:17:25]
imagine once we get the program going,
once we understand sort of the assets
[1:17:28]
that need to get replaced, we can we can
get the decisions out ahead of time.
[1:17:34]
» Okay, that was it for me. Thanks.
>> Did anybody think of just uh recruiting
[1:17:39]
better batters? Okay. Um more more
[laughter]
[1:17:43]
comments or discussion? I I do I do say
when I first got here and this is total
[1:17:49]
tangent. There was I got out there and
we needed to we need to we needed to
[1:17:52]
raise the um uence
>> the fence because some kid was hitting
[1:17:57]
it out and breaking windows across the
street and I was like give the guy a
[1:18:01]
star.
>> Oh, that's that's a good hit.
[1:18:03]
» And we haven't had that same problem in
the
[1:18:06]
» field. Yeah.
>> So
[1:18:07]
» there a discussion? Yeah, please. Um is
like field service for winter and summer
[1:18:15]
also include like pier street like you
said or like the parks itself or is that
[1:18:20]
just
>> So in the um so it's it it is focused on
[1:18:24]
turf in the winter service we do um on
the south side of Memorial Park. You
[1:18:30]
probably noticed that the we fence off
part of the area. We sort of flip-flop
[1:18:35]
one. So this is the area on the south
side of Memorial Park. It's sort of
[1:18:41]
unstructured play area. We host um movie
in the park and things like that there.
[1:18:46]
And we've we we
don't want to close all of it. So we do
[1:18:51]
one one side one year, the other side
the other year. Um and we also do
[1:18:55]
terrace park, but it is really just um
the service is the same. We airrate, we
[1:19:02]
try to as much as we can keep people off
of it, we top dress it and and and
[1:19:06]
seating. And um I would say it's
probably less effective than the ball
[1:19:11]
fields just because I think there's I
mean it's just a snow fence keeping
[1:19:16]
people out. So it's it it I don't think
I don't I don't know there's there's
[1:19:21]
rule followers and there's people who
just do it. [snorts]
[1:19:24]
» But it's not like individual like or
anything. No like
[1:19:29]
» No. No. It's it's really just blocking
it off and giving this the the giving it
[1:19:35]
a little time to rest.
[1:19:39]
Yeah. Um, just for clarification, like
what's the difference between like the
[1:19:42]
normal maintenance of the tennis courts
and what you're going to do with like
[1:19:45]
the um 200,000
>> the terrace?
[1:19:50]
I I didn't hear all of that, but let me
I can
[1:19:53]
» um like what's the difference between
the normal maintenance of the tennis
[1:19:56]
courts and like what you're going to do
with the
[1:19:58]
» So, in the normal maintenance and we've
been probably pretty spotty on doing
[1:20:03]
some of this, you know, there's there's
cleaning and and actually in a part of
[1:20:07]
our trash run, we go and clear the
courts. Um but there there is buildup
[1:20:13]
particularly at tennis at terrace park
where there's a lot of stuff from the
[1:20:17]
trees coming down and sits in the
corners and it builds up and that
[1:20:20]
degrades the the the surface. Um, and
that's that can be done on uh regular
[1:20:27]
maintenance, cleaning it, and then
having a contra there's a contractors
[1:20:30]
that can come in and do surface um
surface cleaning um to prolong the
[1:20:35]
service. And we that's one thing I want
to start doing um particularly at Ocean
[1:20:39]
View that we redid. What we're doing
here is we're going to strip the court
[1:20:44]
of its posts, everything. There's a
large crack on the on the eastern side
[1:20:49]
of the the court, the one that's a
little higher up. Um, we're going to uh
[1:20:54]
resurface it with asphalt to address the
crack, reinstall things. So, it's it's
[1:20:58]
um it's be like a new court.
>> And are there any like plans to do that
[1:21:05]
to the memorial park tennis court?
>> Um, we're going to move to that one
[1:21:08]
next. That that's on the list. It's just
um Terrace Park is really the there's
[1:21:12]
there's a crack there and um uh the
posts were
[1:21:18]
they're they're bent over and and
whatnot. We've we've patched it together
[1:21:22]
as much as we can.
>> The terrace is marginally usable.
[1:21:25]
» Yeah.
>> So,
[1:21:33]
one one idea I had and maybe maybe we
already do this, you know, just the
[1:21:37]
stuff that comes to mind that do we at
lunch is over. Do we have trash cans on
[1:21:42]
that end? because I know the trash cans
generally are the street. Are they
[1:21:45]
between the park where kids are eating
lunch and the school where they walk?
[1:21:50]
» So, this is interesting. Um, last was it
last year?
[1:21:55]
Not not this la this this school year.
Last school year when this blew up, we
[1:22:01]
we actually did a it wasn't really a
study. We went out there and saw where
[1:22:05]
the trash cans are, where they're being
used because some were overflowing, some
[1:22:08]
weren't used at all. and um and and
including the ones that were along the
[1:22:15]
the roadway where the uh cars parked.
Those ones those were issues um on
[1:22:20]
another because people would stuff in
their cars and just overload the trash
[1:22:25]
cans. So, we actually removed those and
we repositioned trash cans in areas
[1:22:31]
where um
uh kids were or pe not not only kids but
[1:22:37]
um the the people were using the park
where the trash was h happening and um I
[1:22:42]
think it's addressed um a little bit I
don't know if it's come back but um kids
[1:22:48]
would would sit at um the bleachers near
the tennis courts and and eat I think
[1:22:53]
and that the little trash cans inside
the tennis courts were just overflowing
[1:22:59]
with trash. I think we got rid of those
or did we?
[1:23:02]
» But the idea was we wanted to limit um
trash going into those and make them put
[1:23:08]
in the big bellies. And I think I think
it's working
[1:23:12]
» easier to do the right thing.
>> Yeah.
[1:23:15]
» Right. Uh, I had one more question. I
forgot to ask uh for I did ask about the
[1:23:21]
ballpark in Memorial Park for for the
for USD. The tennis courts at Terrace
[1:23:26]
Park that you were just talking about.
Um, you said they're used by um St.
[1:23:32]
Mary's.
>> Yep.
[1:23:33]
» And uh I was wondering what kind ofou or
what kind of financial arrangement do we
[1:23:37]
have there?
>> So I don't know exactly but I
[1:23:40]
» private entity.
>> Yeah. I think they they pay a rental fee
[1:23:43]
like any other user. So, I think they're
just like
[1:23:46]
» they just reserve in advance.
>> Yeah. And that's um Joy in recreation.
[1:23:51]
She handles a lot of that. And I think
all the leagues whether it's soccer,
[1:23:57]
baseball, tennis um put reservations for
um various courts and courts or fields
[1:24:04]
and she tries to come up with a schedule
but um the only ones the everyone other
[1:24:11]
than Alb Unified
pays you know our our the rate that we
[1:24:16]
have in our our rate schedules.
>> Okay. Okay. So, they're just a a regular
[1:24:21]
rental user.
>> Yep.
[1:24:23]
» Okay.
[1:24:27]
» All right. There uh anyone else want to
weigh in? All right. See? None. We will
[1:24:33]
close the item. Thank you very much.
Always good to get these. Was there Did
[1:24:37]
you check public comment? I forget. You
>> did. Okay, great. We did. Um did right.
[1:24:43]
» I think so. I don't know. I was
>> either way there's no hands raised.
[1:24:47]
» No public
I I guessed that, but I was pretending.
[1:24:52]
All right. Um uh moving on. Subcommittee
updates.
[1:24:58]
Not seeing any subcommittees.
Announcements and future agenda item.
[1:25:04]
» You want to do your announcement? You
don't have one?
[1:25:07]
» Yeah.
>> Um just to piggy back off what Mark was
[1:25:11]
talking about, um the dog park is now
back open. So, it's open for public use.
[1:25:18]
Um, the other ball fields and stuff are
open as well. Um, and that's weather
[1:25:23]
permit permitting right now because if
it starts storming, we will have to
[1:25:27]
close it to keep the fields from getting
too messed up. Um, my next announcement
[1:25:34]
is the Kids and Family Expo. Join us for
a fun, familyfriendly afternoon at the
[1:25:39]
Kids and Family Expo, a one-stop shop
for programs and services for kids and
[1:25:44]
families. bring the whole family to the
community center on Saturday, February
[1:25:48]
28th from 1 to 4:00 p.m. Guests can
explore local programs and family
[1:25:54]
services, including summer camp previews
and the opportunity to sign up for our
[1:25:59]
popular Friendships Club summer program,
as well as special discounts available
[1:26:04]
for registrations completed at the
event. Enjoy a variety of activities for
[1:26:09]
kids and parents alike, including tasty
snacks, free face painting, a free
[1:26:14]
raffle, free biking, and stro uh
strolling magi mag magician from 1:30 to
[1:26:19]
2:30. Come out and connect with uh
community resources and join in on the
[1:26:24]
fun.
>> All right, announcements.
[1:26:30]
I just I should have said this during
the agenda item. I uh we mentioned you
[1:26:33]
mentioned the uh request service or the
report a problem tool. I use it a lot
[1:26:39]
because we see stuff on the blue glove
crew and I just have to say they're very
[1:26:41]
responsive. I hope it's not because I'm
the one submitting it. [laughter] I
[1:26:46]
trust that it's not but but oftentimes
just a day or two the thing's gone. So I
[1:26:50]
I kudos to that. That's great.
>> I'm not biased. I respond accordingly.
[1:26:55]
» The only thing I would say is that is
that um I'm a little shocked to hear
[1:26:59]
they all go to you. Yes. Because the
hardest part is figuring out which
[1:27:02]
category to put. It doesn't matter.
>> You don't need that. You don't need that
[1:27:06]
button.
>> It It does because it's whether because
[1:27:09]
that gives her the information to tell
one of whomever to go do the work.
[1:27:14]
» But I don't know the right I'm not doing
the right one half the time. I'm sure
[1:27:17]
[laughter]
>> I I usually can figure it out. So
[1:27:20]
» that's the thing. Give away the secret
recipe. [laughter] We get a stack of
[1:27:24]
» All right. Anyway. All right. Uh other
announcements, agenda items. So, we do
[1:27:30]
have
>> clearly we'll have the parks master plan
[1:27:33]
studied edenum coming up.
>> Yes, we'll have the parks master plan.
[1:27:35]
Um, we might have what I'm super excited
about actually uh Hillary Sardinas um
[1:27:42]
has been working talking with Margot and
I think she's doing a project. This this
[1:27:47]
sounded amazing. She's doing a project
on Alb Hill and she's putting little
[1:27:51]
trackers on monarchs
>> and um I was like really? Um, and so she
[1:28:00]
likely or might be coming to do a
presentation on that, which I think
[1:28:04]
would be just fascinating. Um, and then,
um, I I haven't heard anything about it,
[1:28:10]
but it is sugarsw sweetened beverage
time, so that'll be on the on it, but
[1:28:14]
I'm less excited about it this year than
I have in the past.
[1:28:18]
» I think with the the butterfly things,
the hardest part is getting them with
[1:28:21]
the dart to get them to go to sleep.
>> Actually, Margot explained it a little
[1:28:27]
bit. It's really fascinating.
>> It is. I'm sure.
[1:28:29]
» How big is that thing? I mean, can they
fly with it?
[1:28:31]
» Yeah, it's
>> No, I I ran into um
[1:28:33]
» Hillary. Yeah. Hillary in the grocery
store and she show I was like, "Really?"
[1:28:37]
And she showed me a picture. It was
amazing. And then they have this
[1:28:41]
» thing is this very educational because
then they with the GPS tracker you can
[1:28:44]
see, oh, this one originated at Albony
Hill and it goes here. Like,
[1:28:47]
» yeah,
>> it's f it is fascinating. And I I
[1:28:50]
couldn't believe that it can be
>> it can go to a butterfly,
[1:28:53]
» right?
>> Yeah.
[1:28:54]
» I know. And and Margot said, I guess
they they attach it by cooling them, so
[1:28:59]
it it kind of slows things down, but
then when they warm them up, like one of
[1:29:03]
them like she said it
>> was like rolling around like a dog would
[1:29:07]
be to, you know, something off its back.
>> So
[1:29:12]
» yeah,
>> we can understand. All right.
[1:29:14]
» Yeah.
When uh one agenda request is when you
[1:29:18]
do or related to something you already
mentioned was for flex courts um is when
[1:29:24]
you do uh agendaize that to
>> um make sure to look at old contact
[1:29:31]
lists for all the tennis people, all the
pickle ball people um because they were
[1:29:38]
very engaged with all of that. But then
also it should also include whoever we
[1:29:43]
have on the volleyball people and then
some of these flex nets can also do bad
[1:29:47]
mitten. So I don't know who we would
contact for that but that would be
[1:29:51]
basically cast a wide net.
>> Yep.
[1:29:53]
» Would be my recommendation.
>> No pun.
[1:29:55]
» Yes. Yes. [laughter]
>> Still regulation.
[1:30:02]
» Okay.
>> All right people. We got to keep these
[1:30:04]
things light.
>> All right. Any uh All right. Seeing
[1:30:09]
nothing else, we will adjourn and see
you March 12th.