City Council Regular Day Meeting

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Agenda

[0:01] Appointment of Maryanne Jordan to the Capital City Development Corporation for a five year term ending May 9, 2021

[2:08] CONSENT AGENDA

[2:08] SOS16-00006 / Vacation of Condominium Plat / Red Water Investments, LLC. is requesting a vacation of a condominium plat for the Rego Park Condominiums located in Section 16, Township 3N., Range 2E. B.M. The property is generally addressed as 215 S. Latah Street, Boise, Idaho

[2:08] CAR16-00007 / Drew Owen / Location: 3107 W. Neff Street / Rezone of 0.33 acres from R-1C (Single Family Residential) to R-1M (Residential Town Lot)

[2:08] Jade Riley, Mayor's Office, to attend Summit on Government Performance and Innovation 2016 in Louisville, KY, on June 14-17, 2016.

[2:08] Chloe Ross, Mayor's Office, to attend Summit on Government Performance and Innovation 2016 in Louisville, KY, on June 14-17, 2016.

[2:08] Nic Miller, Mayor's Office, to attend business development and recruitment meetings and tours in Washington, DC, on June 27-July 2, 2016.

[2:08] Terri Schorzman, Arts and History, to attend meetings with potential benefactor in New York City, NY, on July 27-31, 2016.

[2:08] RES-229-16 : A RESOLUTION APPROVING AUTHORIZATION TO PROCURE CP 16-201, PURCHASING CARD SERVICES, BETWEEN THE CITY OF BOISE CITY (FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT) AND BANK OF AMERICA OFF OF IDAHO STATE CONTRACT SBPO01391; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[2:08] RES-230-16 : A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE GRANT OF A SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT FROM CONNELL DEVELOPMENT CO., TO THE CITY OF BOISE CITY (PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT) FOR EYRIE CANYON SUBDIVISION NO. 9, DRI-1735; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[2:08] RES-231-16 : A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE RENEWAL OF RFP 15-109, BOISE’S TRANSPORTATION ACTION PLAN, BETWEEN THE CITY OF BOISE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND GEHL STUDIO; AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO RESPECTIVELY EXECUTE AND ATTEST SAID AGREEMENT; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[2:08] RES-232-16 : A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE RENEWAL OF RFP 14-155B, VEHICLE GRAPHICS, BETWEEN THE CITY OF BOISE FLEET SERVICES AND SIGNS NOW #11; AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO RESPECTIVELY EXECUTE AND ATTEST SAID AGREEMENT; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[2:08] RES-233-16 : A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE RENEWAL OF RFP 14-155A, VEHICLE GRAPHICS, BETWEEN THE CITY OF BOISE FLEET SERVICES AND TRADEMARK SIGN COMPANY; AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO RESPECTIVELY EXECUTE AND ATTEST SAID AGREEMENT; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[2:08] RES-234-16 : A RESOLUTION APPROVING AMENDMENT NUMBER 1 TO RFQ 15-062A, FIRE STATION #4 CMGC SERVICES, BETWEEN THE CITY OF BOISE CITY (PUBLIC WORKS) AND ENGINEERED STRUCTURES, INC; AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO RESPECTIVELY EXECUTE AND ATTEST SAID AMENDMENT; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[2:08] RES-235-16 : A RESOLUTION APPROVING AUTHORIZATION TO PROCURE CP 16-226, STRIPE HOG WATERBLASTING SYSTEM, BETWEEN THE CITY OF BOISE CITY (AVIATION DEPARTMENT) AND WATERBLASTING TECHNOLOGIES, INC. OFF OF HOUSTON-GALVESTON AREA COUNCIL (H-GAC), CONTRACT NUMBER SW04-16; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[2:08] RES-236-16 : A RESOLUTION APPROVING CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 3 TO RFQ 13-171A, BOISE RIVER PARK PHASE 2 DESIGN, BETWEEN THE CITY OF BOISE CITY (PUBLIC WORKS) AND MCMILLEN JACOBS ASSOCIATES; AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO RESPECTIVELY EXECUTE AND ATTEST SAID CHANGE ORDER; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[2:08] RES-237-16 : A RESOLUTION APPROVING AN AGREEMENT AND AWARD FOR FB 16-207, BEACON STREET TRUNK BETWEEN THE CITY OF BOISE CITY PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND KNIFE RIVER CORP; AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO RESPECTIVELY EXECUTE AND ATTEST SAID AGREEMENT AND AWARD; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[2:08] RES-238-16 : A RESOLUTION APPROVING A CONSENT TO USE AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF BOISE CITY AND THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR BUREAU OF RECLAMATION, ARROWROCK DIVISION, RELATED TO THE RELOCATION OF FIRE STATION #8 ; AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO RESPECTIVELY EXECUTE AND ATTEST SAID CONSENT TO USE AGREEMENT; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[2:08] RES-239-16 : A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE RENEWAL OF RFP 15-176, CUSTOM HARVESTING, BETWEEN THE CITY OF BOISE PUBLIC WORKS AND PANCHERI LAND & LIVESTOCK LLC; AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO RESPECTIVELY EXECUTE AND ATTEST SAID AGREEMENT; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[2:08] RES-240-16 : A RESOLUTION APPROVING A LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN BOISE CITY (DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION) AND ENGINEERED STRUCTURES, INC (ESI) FOR THE LEASE OF CERTAIN PREMISES UPON BOISE AIRPORT; AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO EXECUTE AND ATTEST SAID LEASE AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF BOISE CITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[2:08] RES-241-16 : A RESOLUTION APPROVING AN UPDATED SOLID WASTE CUSTOMER FEE SCHEDULE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL SOLID WASTE COLLECTION SERVICES INCLUDING O&M FEES; AND PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATES.

[2:08] RES-242-16 : A RESOLUTION APPROVING A MASTER LICENSE AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF BOISE CITY (PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT) AND ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT FOR REGULATION AND CONTROL OF GREEN STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITIES IN THE GREATER DOWNTOWN BOISE AREA, STW 100; AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO EXECUTE AND ATTEST SAID AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF BOISE CITY; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[2:08] RES-243-16 : A RESOLUTION APPROVING, AS TO BOTH FORM AND CONTENT, A LICENSE AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF BOISE CITY (DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION) AND THE ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT BY WHICH THE ADA COUNTY HIGHWAY DISTRICT GRANTS A LIMITED, NON-EXCLUSIVE LICENSE TO BOISE CITY; AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO EXECUTE AND ATTEST SAID AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF BOISE CITY; AND ESTABLISHING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[4:57] Appointment of Ben Quintana to the Capital City Development Corporation to complete an unexpired term ending May 1, 2020

[5:51] Appointment of Amber Salcedo to the Public Works Commission for a one year term ending May 31, 2017

[6:42] Re-Appointment of Connor Skibeness to the Public Works Commission for the remainder of an unexpired term ending September 14, 2018

[7:46] Workplan Updates (10 Min)

[22:57] 36th St, Hill Rd, Catalpa Roundabout Landscape Plan (15 min)

[35:32] Impact Fee Program (20 Min)

[1:07:20] Curb It 2.0 (30 Min)

[2:05:24] Executive Session: Personnel, Land Acquisition, Records Exempt from Public Disclosure, Pending/Probable Litigation, Labor Contract, I.C. 74-206(1)(b)(c)(d)(f)(j)

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[0:29] We'll pay the day.

[1:16] Good

[1:19] afternoon everyone and welcome. Will the clerk please call the roll.

[1:24] Clague, here, Jordan, Ludwig, McLean, Quintana, Tomson, all present.

[1:34] First, actually, second item on the agenda is a quest for approval of the minutes of the workshop of May 17, 2016 in the council meeting in the same day.

[1:44] Move approval of the workshop and regular evening meeting of May 17.

[1:54] All

[1:59] those in favor say aye.

[2:01] O's nay.

[2:03] Motion passes.

[2:04] A third order of businesses to consent agenda.

[2:07] All items with an asterisk are considered to be routine by the council and will be enacted by one motion.

[2:12] There will be no separate discussion of these items.

[2:15] Unless the council member are citizens so request.

[2:18] In which case the item will be removed from the general order of business and considered in its normal sequence.

[2:22] We'll

[2:30] start.

[2:31] I'm approval of the consent agenda.

[2:33] Moving second.

[2:34] I need discussion.

[2:36] Hearing none, will the quick please call her all.

[2:38] Thompson.

[2:39] Yes.

[2:39] Fleg.

[2:40] Yes.

[2:41] Jordan.

[2:42] Ludwig.

[2:43] McFlyne.

[2:44] Quintana.

[2:44] Yes.

[2:45] All in favor, motion carries.

[2:47] Or, the order of businesses are reading of ordinances.

[2:49] There are no items on the first reading calendar, which brings us to the second

[2:53] reading calendar.

[2:54] Mr. Mayor.

[2:55] Yes.

[2:55] I ask unanimous consent that all ordinances on the second reading calendar be read by

[2:59] number in title only and file for the third reading calendar.

[3:02] That objection.

[3:04] O-R-D-17-16 and ordinate Z-O-A-15-0-0-0-7, a mini-title 11 chapter 6 section 1, table 11-0-6-0-1, table of

[3:15] allowed uses of the Boise City Code to permit indoor recreational uses such as health

[3:21] club or similar uses with an existing buildings in the M-1-D, light industrial with

[3:25] design of use zone and providing an effective date.

[3:29] Mr. Mayor, third reading calendar, I move that further reading of

[3:34] ordinance 16-16 be dispensed with and the record reflect that has been read the third time in full.

[3:42] Second, roll call, please.

[3:45] Thompson.

[3:46] Blake.

[3:47] Yes.

[3:47] Jordan.

[3:48] Ludway McLean.

[3:50] Quintana.

[3:51] Yes.

[3:52] All in favor of motion carries.

[3:54] O-R-D-16-16 and ordinance C-A-R-15-0-0-0-0-0-3-2 for property located at

[4:01] one, two, four and two, one, three, four, self-long mont Avenue.

[4:04] A menion zoning classifications of the city of Boise City to change the classification

[4:08] of real property, particularly described in section one of this ordinance from R-1-C single

[4:13] family residential eight units per acre to R-1-N-D residential town lot with design or view

[4:19] 17 units per acre, setting forth a recent statement and supportive such is own change

[4:23] and providing an effective date.

[4:24] Mr. Mayor. Yes. I asked that ordinance 16-16 be approved. Second.

[4:33] Will the second is the right discussion.

[4:38] We'll clear please call the roll.

[4:40] Yes.

[4:41] Yes.

[4:41] Claig. Yes.

[4:42] Jordan.

[4:43] Ludwig. McLean. Yes. Quintana.

[4:46] Yes.

[4:46] All in favor motion carries.

[4:48] Pitch order of business and special business appointments have been

[4:51] 10 of Mary and Jordan Scott Loebley's terms ending in May 2020-2021 and 2021 respectively.

[5:02] Mr. Mayor.

[5:04] I move the appointment of Ben Quintana to the capital city development corporation to complete an

[5:10] unexpired term ending May 1, 2020. The appointment of Mary and Jordan to CCDC for a five-year

[5:17] term ending May 9th, 2021, and the appointment of Scott Ludwig to the CCDC Board for a five-year

[5:25] term ending April 30th, 2021.

[5:29] Moving to second is very discussion.

[5:33] Hearing none, will the clerk please call the roll.

[5:35] Thompson.

[5:35] Yes.

[5:36] Cleg.

[5:37] Yes.

[5:37] Jordan.

[5:38] Ludwig.

[5:39] McLean.

[5:40] Quintana.

[5:43] next up item five four the appointment of Embers I'll say to the Public Works Commission for

[5:50] a one year term ending May 31st 2017. I just want to comment this is our student position.

[6:01] Embers here up in the front row. Great that it's been a great program to have a voice state

[6:07] engineering student to be out of public works commission and and continues that line.

[6:13] So we're really pleased to have a lot of talent.

[6:15] Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[6:17] I ask unanimous consent for the appointment of Amber Toledo to the Public Works Commission for

[6:23] one year term ending May 31st, 2017 and would echo what you said about how valuable it is to have that student member

[6:32] from that engineering department.

[6:34] Not objection.

[6:38] Well, congratulations.

[6:39] We always allow our appointees to comment if you'd like to not required, but.

[6:46] Thanks for coming.

[7:02] Thank you.

[7:03] Well said.

[7:03] Thank you.

[7:04] Next up, the re-appointment of Connor Skibnus to the Public Works Commission for the remainder

[7:10] of our taxpayer term in September 14, 2018.

[7:15] Mr. Mayor, I would ask unanimous consent for the re-appointment.

[7:19] of Connor Skibniss, the Public Works Commission for the remainder of an unexpired term ending

[7:25] September 14, 2018 and comment that it's great that we had this unexpired term that

[7:31] our former student public works commission director could fulfill and thank you Connor.

[7:38] I don't think he is here today.

[7:41] right without objection right next up item six six work plan updates

[7:48] mayor council key goals basically year 2016 I'll

[8:00] be brief Mr. Mayor

[8:00] council members there was a memo in your packet proposed kind of a quick

[8:06] discussion outline per our practice of a monthly review of the work plan so the

[8:11] first item that we just like to do a quick update and I've asked Joanne to

[8:15] join me as just kind of how we're doing on some community engagement areas.

[8:21] Great, thank you.

[8:26] I just wanted to give you a couple of quick updates.

[8:29] I have some handouts.

[8:31] If I could be someone to approach the bench.

[8:34] I'm going to sort of approach the bench.

[8:37] Thank you, man.

[8:38] I have

[9:04] to show that.

[9:07] Okay, so we've been pretty busy over here in the community engagement team.

[9:10] team. I'm really happy to share with you some complete projects right now. We have the recruiting

[9:17] materials that we're just completed. As many of you know, we are recruiting actively for CIO.

[9:23] And we put together a really nice materials of that in our team. We did just a phenomenal job with

[9:31] some of this as well as Chris Wagner, who's our internal graphic designer. So the handheld brochure

[9:39] that you have in your hand, that your holding is one of those materials, and then I just wanted

[9:44] to take a couple of moments and share this video with you if you haven't seen it yet.

[9:49] Some good work.

[9:51] So hopefully this will monitor technology's going to work for me.

[12:07] Just want to give you a preview of kind of the kind of creative content that's coming out of the team,

[12:13] and things like this are really helpful to show the true innovation and passion that is throughout these

[12:20] these halls so thank you. And then I'm just going to indulge me with one more video that I

[12:27] want to show you here and then we'll be done wherever it went. Okay so this is this is actually

[12:35] the downtown DBA presentation we're about ready to post this on our social media posts and this is

[12:40] a good example of taking something that the mayor did and then adding some creative creativity to

[12:46] to their graphic pieces and rolling it on to do a visual and then we're going to be

[12:50] posting this and so that therefore people who were not a part of the DBA presentation

[12:55] have an opportunity to learn what the mayor's vision is for downtown and really start

[13:01] to champion the message.

[13:03] Mike Laura, we praise that just a little, we'll take what the mayor did and add some creativity

[13:07] to it.

[13:08] That's really not there.

[13:09] I didn't mean it like that.

[13:12] It's a great experience that came to me.

[13:14] I really re-work that since it's just a little bit.

[13:17] Not in the future, remember.

[13:20] It's

[13:34] so grateful for the opportunity.

[13:37] Because it's a transformation of time in downtown Boyson.

[13:48] I think it's such a great time to talk about the city's vision

[13:52] for downtown and how we're going to work together

[13:54] and make that vision happen.

[14:14] It's probably the most important of the elements I'm going to talk about and probably the most difficult.

[14:42] Generation after generation.

[14:45] I've added their chapters to the story of that time voicing.

[15:37] So then that will click through to your full presentation.

[15:49] So those are just some completed projects I wanted to share with you. The other big one that you can hear a lot more about is the parking program.

[16:00] So that was a folder I passed for everybody.

[16:06] And you've seen this creative the last time I was at before you.

[16:10] So I didn't have any slides prepared for that.

[16:12] But I just wanted to let you know that program is live.

[16:16] You will be seeing signage throughout many buildings in the downtown area.

[16:21] We will have our advertising campaign starting next week.

[16:25] Press release will go out this week.

[16:27] This is a big big effort and it's go time.

[16:31] So that's exciting stuff that's happening there.

[16:35] And then just some preview on some other work that I will be sharing with you in the coming

[16:39] coming couple of months is we're working on the public campaign and they create

[16:43] of materials for the transportation action plan.

[16:46] And we've got a lot to to before us around the sustainability efforts

[16:51] efforts with wastewater treatment, re-branding and curb it, you're going to hear a lot more

[16:57] about that in a moment, but we'll be working on the communication outreach efforts for

[17:01] a lot of those things, and a lot more to come on our housing programs as well.

[17:07] So, we'll keep busy this summer, but just wanted to continue each month to share with you

[17:11] some highlights as we accomplish them.

[17:19] So, the question this all looks great, but what does GEO stand for after Dixie Drain in the

[17:23] That's zero building.

[17:27] Yeah, yeah, grand opening.

[17:29] Yes.

[17:30] My short hand.

[17:32] Thanks for what I've missed.

[17:34] Grand opening.

[17:35] Grand

[17:40] opening.

[17:40] Questions on Q&D?

[17:43] Not on Q&D engagement.

[17:46] Thank you very much.

[17:48] Thank you.

[17:51] If it's okay with Mayor and Council,

[17:53] I'd queue to up just a couple topics that I just wanted to bring top of mind

[17:56] to let most of these that I was proposing for a kind of a deeper briefing

[18:00] with the council at the June Budget Workshop.

[18:04] So the following would be,

[18:06] we're, I've had discussions with Councillor Cotana

[18:08] about kind of energizer neighborhood,

[18:11] specifically from a VISTA perspective.

[18:13] What does that look like this next year?

[18:15] And so we thought it'd be good to circle back

[18:17] at the June Budget Workshop

[18:18] and have a full council discussion about energize

[18:22] from a VISTA perspective and then energize kind of 2.0.

[18:26] What could that look like in some of the geographies

[18:28] of the city?

[18:30] Council's perspective on that. Related to that, Council President Kleg has had some ideas

[18:37] on how we could kind of up our game from a neighbor out engagement perspective, so it'd

[18:42] be proposing to have that discussion during the June budget workshop. The next topic that

[18:48] we'd like to go a little deeper on is the housing strategy and specifically the five-year

[18:55] plan, so that topic would be proposed for next month's discussion to go a little deeper and

[19:01] visit kind of those different categories in affordable housing. And then last but not

[19:06] least, we'd like to block a good amount of time to talk about the capital improvement plan.

[19:12] I outlined in the memo, we've been doing some strategy sessions around the main library. We've been

[19:18] trying to come up with some financing concepts based on the three design options that the council

[19:23] had approved or where good was being final three options.

[19:28] So we'd like to go a little deeper into that and see if you're comfortable.

[19:32] And then today we're queuing off under a capital firm of plan,

[19:36] a follow-up on impact for these, so just keep in the momentum going on impact fees.

[19:42] And then the last thing I put in the memo is to have a discussion today of any additions or adjustments

[19:46] and the one I'm carrying that's in concept right now.

[19:50] council member Craig had brought forth previously kind of where the city could go on TODs and

[19:56] some key corridors and I know she just said that with Derek's team to talk about state street

[20:03] what could be scoped as a potential endeavor on that. So those are kind of, I guess, the high points

[20:09] from the work plan. Mr. Mayor, just on the TODs, the reason I brought it up is that the new

[20:14] transportation bill has specifically has some eligibility for doing some planning for

[20:21] TODs in it, and there seems to be an opportunity to take advantage of some of that to

[20:26] do some work that we've already committed to do in our MOU, so that we as we'll have a discussion

[20:32] about it, and then the two things on here that seem to, you know, I know that this is just

[20:42] high level list, but the downtown housing initiative, I think that I'd like to see an update

[20:51] on it.

[20:52] I know that Council Member McLean is interested in it as well, and so I'm just understanding

[20:58] where that is and what, as a council, we might be able to help give us visibility or whatever

[21:06] else it needs and that on Boise competes is a great list and I think this is where it fits.

[21:14] We don't have anything in here about the efforts to energize the industrial park area and

[21:22] especially see if we can do something to really increase our ability to handle freight out there.

[21:32] That's fair. Well, we'll add that specifically in that category because we've been doing a lot on that front.

[21:39] Jay, thanks for the update. This is excellent work.

[21:42] The one thing I think I brought up at one point, but I'm not sure if I've seen this in the memo or

[21:47] on this document was the key needs that the team needs from Council.

[21:52] Because we talked about any potential gaps on the sponsor side or if there's something that

[21:56] but we're missing that the team is looking for from us.

[21:59] I just wanted to make sure that we loop back to that one too,

[22:03] because I think a lot of this is kind of us asking for support

[22:05] from the staff.

[22:06] We'd love to know, what does the staff need from us

[22:09] if anything, just so we can help advance the work.

[22:12] Okay, that's very fair.

[22:13] And I think we could maybe focus in on that a little bit

[22:15] of the budget workshop.

[22:17] We are, I mean, we're working through it now,

[22:20] but we're building making some requests

[22:21] for some additional kind of one-time resources

[22:23] to address some of these larger capital primitive plants to get them to kind of their launch

[22:28] phase. We're realizing we need to add a little resource there.

[22:37] Any other questions or concerns

[22:38] about the work plan?

[22:42] Thank you for your time.

[22:48] Okay. Next up,

[22:54] 36 street hill road could top

[22:56] out about landscape plant.

[23:02] Welcome. Thank you.

[23:05] Afternoon, Mr. Mayor and Council.

[23:08] With me today is Toby Norton to talk to you about landscaping

[23:12] for the 36th Street roundabout and I have a video as well.

[23:19] All right.

[23:38] Okay,

[23:44] so starting out to see that you're oriented.

[23:47] I'm pretty sure most of you are familiar with the site we've been talking about it for a few years now.

[23:52] years I think. I actually think it's 12. So in landscaping this project we have a few

[24:00] constraints that are opposing each other that we're trying to hit that sweet spot with. So here

[24:06] I'm showing the floodplain and wanted to explain that the aluvial fan effect and so this is the

[24:14] point mostly where the water floodwaters would be coming in the large 100 year event we would be

[24:22] expecting the debris coming down here, the highest sensitivity is here at this point where the water would then flow out and one of the main concerns is just anything that would create any kind of dam with that debris that would then push the water and expand the area to flood beyond what's shown here.

[24:43] This is just a aerial behind that in case anybody need a more details in one to see exactly where that

[24:52] the floodplain does flow.

[24:55] So then switching, this is ACHD's plan showing we've got about four different site-distance restrictions

[25:05] for various movements throughout the roundabout.

[25:09] So within these areas, you cannot have plants that are over three feet or pardon me.

[25:18] You need to be, yeah, between that three and seven foot range so that you could see pedestrians, cars, anything else that any other kind of activity.

[25:30] Additionally, so we've talked about this a little bit briefly about a year ago when we entered into the cost of your agreement.

[25:34] But typically in a roundabout, you would burn up in the center and then put your plants up

[25:38] there.

[25:39] Part of one of the other concerns is that you don't want the headlights to shine through

[25:43] to the other direction so that people don't get confused, that thinking that car needs

[25:48] to be on their left side.

[25:53] So we're working through the site distance, the flood plane, and so with the flood plane,

[25:58] you want plants that can actually lay down, should debris come, so we're just working kind

[26:05] a set here.

[26:16] Oh, maybe I, I have to escape. Thank you.

[26:26] Maybe not. I worked fine at my desk.

[26:31] That's okay. So what I wanted to show you with the video one, it shows you a little bit of just the layout and how it operates, but just gives you a perspective on the size of them round about and the landscaping.

[26:44] gaping, it just gives a little different perspective than the two-dimensional maps that we have here.

[26:59] So we did take a look at two density plans for landscape, and one was a higher density,

[27:06] and this one we had to forego because the density of landscaping did create conflicts with the floodplain

[27:13] and creating that damning effect. So we moved on to the medium density which has less planting in the center here,

[27:21] But we have swaths of higher plants along the edge to give that appearance of fullness.

[27:30] So we've got taller grasses and then fading into lavender around the outside and just the opposite on the other corner.

[27:37] And in the center here we have red carpet roses planned.

[27:42] We might need to adjust that a bit with some of the grasses just to work on that headlamps, the headlights from the cars.

[27:49] But we are proposing the carpet roses to help deter pedestrians from walking across the center of the island.

[27:59] There are also trees, we've got larger trees in each of the lobes of the roundabout as well as ornamentals here at the crab apple.

[28:09] And we've been working with ACHD also on the, we'll have to do a little bit of tweaking here for those sight distance that the grass is really need to pull back here

[28:18] we could do the low-growth sumac. So we've got a little bit tweaking but this is the general plan.

[28:25] These are the specific plants that we've also worked with Jim Lyleon that's spacing again

[28:32] on the floodplain concerns.

[28:36] Here is a conceptual rendering of what we're looking at.

[28:42] And then we ADHD has requested a fence through the center of the round about

[28:47] out to deter the pedestrians from coming through this.

[28:59] Mr. Mayor, I think Karen's pausing because she's heard from council leadership that the

[29:06] fence is not something that we think is a great idea.

[29:09] We don't support it.

[29:11] And in addition to that, the fence introduces another barrier to any floodwaters and so from

[29:17] a flooding perspective, it's actually a worse solution.

[29:21] and we think that it makes sense to recommend against it for that reason.

[29:31] Yeah, I agree. I don't like the idea of the fence at all. I think for the flood standpoint,

[29:36] it makes no sense for changing the vegetation to avoid damning effects and then we put up a fence.

[29:42] It's completely counterintuitive.

[29:44] And I think that between the vegetation that's going in, that will help navigate the pedestrian activity.

[29:52] And I'm sure that we can work on the enforcement piece and get the behaviors lined up properly, we should be fine.

[30:03] So the last item is the funding. So we have both the initial construction cross for both the high density and the medium density and then the annual maintenance cost.

[30:14] And as you've heard from us, the high density is not not an option, but it's here for comparison. So a funding source has not been identified for this for the 89,000 for construction and under 5,000 for the annual maintenance.

[30:31] maintenance. We do have an opportunity to come back before you should do approve this in June for an interim budget change.

[30:43] So a question on the maintenance. Do we have water rights in the

[30:48] Stuart Gulch in the ditch? Can we use that water? Do we have other water rights there? Can the school give us some?

[30:55] Mr. Mayor council member, we'd have to look into the water rights.

[30:58] So the way we have it designed now is a water meter has been installed on the island for

[31:02] our use as far as I understand it was not feasible to get the irrigation water up to the

[31:11] island there.

[31:12] So we resulted in using United Water for irrigation.

[31:18] It seems like we could circle back at least with the school district.

[31:21] I know they irrigate that front part and I don't think it's with potable water.

[31:25] Potentially we could utilize their water source and pay them for it. It would certainly be cheaper than using potable.

[31:33] Sure. Yes, and we are using drip irrigation. So we would be applying it in very low volumes, but certainly cheaper if we were able to use irrigation water.

[31:43] Here isn't there any project money for the media and so on or for the center of a roundabout.

[31:52] It's just left as dirt in ACC plan for these.

[32:00] Mr. Mayor, maybe I should back up, but I kind of went over quickly early on.

[32:05] You might recall that I came before you probably got a year ago with, we kind of called it the Moonscape plan.

[32:10] that was gravel with large boulders and that's what if we didn't participate that's what

[32:17] ACHD would put in the center of the round about to take care of the concerns that we talked about

[32:23] but actually the boulders even had floodplain concerns as well that they would move or could move

[32:29] with that much water and debris. So at that time Mayor and Council elected to enter into a

[32:40] and stall and maintain landscaping in this round about this in a very prominent location.

[32:49] I guess follow up on that.

[32:53] Remind me because I can't remember.

[32:55] Does the cost share include that ACHD will cover the cost of whatever it would have cost

[32:59] for the moon's cape and the boulders?

[33:01] Or do we cover the entire cost?

[33:05] Mr. Mayor, council member, we didn't push that issue at that time.

[33:11] In the past, ACHD has been made pretty clear that if they were to do gravel or whatever they would do would not be a credit.

[33:21] When we went through the transportation land use integration plan, that was a policy that they stated that point.

[33:30] And we did not revisit that issue with those folders.

[33:36] One, our moonscape, a clever day, and we would take that back to the exchange team.

[33:41] If it could have spent something to do moon, it would seem like we'd get that much.

[33:50] How much moonscape cost, but it's not nothing.

[33:53] Go ahead.

[33:55] Karen, on the landscaping, I would agree that a fence is not appropriate.

[34:01] I think we could get there with vegetation and education.

[34:05] And was the fence suggestion was that something that was going to be funded by ACHD or?

[34:13] Mr. Mayor, we did not had a follow-up conversation with ACHD on the fence yet.

[34:22] I was going to touch a base with you today.

[34:24] That's a real good.

[34:32] So Mr. Mayor, am I taking that not to being that we're okay with the medium density and to come back with

[34:39] Mr. Mayor, I don't know if we need clear direction, but if we do, I would, as you

[34:47] can understand, say that we are supportive of the medium density landscaping and would

[34:53] ask, staff to review the water rights issue and to review the cost share agreement with ACHD.

[35:01] That seemed reasonable. They've got some money to do.

[35:05] They had an, you know, lesser treatment.

[35:09] They should have that much to contribute to the more involved ones.

[35:14] So, okay, Matt, can you take that back and with all?

[35:17] And that we're not supportive of the fans.

[35:21] Okay.

[35:21] Thank you.

[35:22] Thanks.

[35:31] All right.

[35:34] It packed free program.

[35:42] Excuse me, I think I called you Matt, right?

[35:45] I'm sorry about that.

[35:46] I just, that was the previous ACCC guy.

[35:49] You know you're not all being Matt.

[35:51] Thank you.

[35:52] Thank you.

[35:54] Good afternoon, Mayor Council members.

[35:57] Yes.

[35:58] We are here to give some follow-up to three roundtable sessions that we had with some

[36:03] developers regarding our proposed capital improvement updates and impact

[36:09] program modifications. We did have three, certainly in my opinion, three very successful

[36:19] round tables. We invited approximately 50 members of the development community and had nearly 20

[36:27] folks attend to these round table sessions in participate. I'm going to go through very quickly

[36:34] seven primary themes that we heard from these round tables and then for more entertaining

[36:43] reading or creative reading, if you'd like, are some written comments that I have received

[36:49] after the round table sessions and then I also have a list of all of those folks that actually

[36:55] attended the round tables for you. The first theme that we heard was regarding

[37:04] the land use categories for the non-residential.

[37:09] So we have the commercial and the industrial

[37:11] and really what we're hearing was the high increase

[37:15] the substantial increase to the commercial category

[37:22] relative to the industrial

[37:25] and that the commercial categories seemed very broad.

[37:29] And we have a lot of comments and if there was a further breakdown on that

[37:34] And so what staff is recommending is that the city consider moving in that direction to get a breakdown on that and there's a lot of work that would have to move for us to move into that direction, but that is our recommendation.

[37:48] And then regarding the commercial and the industrial that significant increase, we are also recommending at this time that we consider phasing that impact fee in until as we progress and get our refined land use categories.

[38:10] What's in there?

[38:12] Mr. Rain.

[38:13] Good question.

[38:14] So you'll come back to us later with what the phasing schedule would look like.

[38:20] But you're just saying overall direction.

[38:22] That's what you heard, and that's what you're recommending to us.

[38:26] Mayor, Council Member, that is correct.

[38:27] Certainly following any feedback we get from you today or a redirection that we get from you today.

[38:32] We will follow up next month with a final study where we will validate all the calculations.

[38:39] produced the final output product and bring all final recommendations to you at that time.

[38:47] I think the primary concern that was heard in the round tables was that with that

[38:53] category being so broad when you have a function like retail that's very call intensive

[38:59] and then you have a function of white office that is not at all intensive that there

[39:04] to be a little more nuanced and that kind of goal. So that's really kind of what drove that.

[39:12] Mr. Mayor. I like this list. I guess my only concern is that it gets so complex that it's

[39:18] going to be hard to apply.

[39:22] So I guess I would warn that we try not to get too much into the details.

[39:28] But I think you've identified probably the primary differences in use. So.

[39:34] Mr. Mayor.

[39:36] I have one.

[39:36] All the quick question also.

[39:38] So going forward if these were the categories that it would be defined going forward

[39:43] as new commercial comes on.

[39:47] It would fall into one of the four categories and the fee would be associated would be

[39:52] based on that category.

[39:54] Mayor, Council Member, that is correct.

[39:56] Certainly going forward and what I envision is that we would first come to you with specific

[40:01] we would agree to those first and then start working with staff to align the data that is required to make to calculate those impact fees accordingly, as well as our permitting system to ensure that we're classifying the new development

[40:19] on the purple and use those classifications.

[40:24] The second primary concern that we're hearing about

[40:27] was regarding Barbara Bally, and I believe it's because

[40:31] we're experiencing a lot of high growth in that area right now.

[40:35] There was concern that the population projections were

[40:39] understated.

[40:42] And so in the memo that was provided to you,

[40:45] we've clarified how those projections were calculated

[40:48] And how it does right now align with state code, it does need to be according to engineering and planning criteria and be approved projections and compass is definitely that source for the valley.

[41:02] And our suggestion our recommendation is that staff also work with compass right now they're in the process of updating those projections in that we work with them.

[41:12] very diligently to get any updates or modifications accordingly.

[41:21] Tonya, on this one, I think you're on the right track. I guess the one thing I would add is that we should have

[41:27] PTSD or a calculation of how many building lots are approved today and check those with the numbers that we've got.

[41:36] And if they're out of line, in other words,

[41:38] if those productions are actually below what we're already,

[41:41] we already have approved either conceptually or in plaat,

[41:46] we should immediately adjust them to that number that we've approved,

[41:50] and then work with Compass to update in 2018

[41:53] when they do their published update, if that makes sense.

[41:59] So I'm not sure that we're even caught up to what we've approved today.

[42:03] Mayor Council member, I will certainly do that.

[42:07] I would just like to caution too on the flip side, though, of what we've been seen through,

[42:12] at least some of the revenue analysis, is that some of our other areas, such as Southwest,

[42:19] are showing much significantly slower from a revenue perspective,

[42:24] slower growth.

[42:25] And so we may want to broaden it at not just to look at Barbara Valley in terms of accelerated growth

[42:31] on those projections and validated that way, but also look at Southwest, some of the areas

[42:36] that are going slower than anticipated to see if the population protection there is not

[42:41] also overstated.

[42:47] The third item is, and you'll see it in the, it was came in and is a written comment, was

[42:54] on residential expansion, since we are proposing to move to based on square footage of what

[43:05] or a family room, et cetera, right now we do charge impact fees if we expand for non-residential

[43:14] and upon research what we did find is that for a lot of jurisdictions that do base impact fees

[43:21] for residential on square footage there are impact fees assessed for additions in that square footage

[43:28] but the most common threshold is at 25% of an increase and that was applicable to all

[43:34] expansion, it's not just residential, but it applied to the non-residential expansion

[43:39] as well.

[43:41] So that is why a staff would recommend that we consider as a fair and equitable application.

[43:50] The further phase the impact fees are, I don't know, that's organic end up with.

[43:55] Are we allowed to implement the phase to approach from started we have to revisit it once?

[44:02] I mean let's say we phased it a little every year, we could we do that at the outside,

[44:07] we have to come back in, amend the ordinance in a year.

[44:12] Mayor, in the research that I've done, if a jurisdiction had phased it, I had typically

[44:20] seen where they had outlined the entire phased approach and had approved the entire

[44:25] phased approach.

[44:29] The fourth item?

[44:31] Mr. Mayor.

[44:32] Who has?

[44:32] Back to this last one, certainly believe that large expansions of commercial uses need to have an impact fee adjustment if they are over a certain amount, but it occurs to me that assessing an impact fee on a remodel or addition to a residence.

[45:00] Actually, is a disincentive to remodel and renovate or existing housing stock in some degree.

[45:09] And so I wonder if this is worth maybe a little bit larger discussion or at least a different threshold,

[45:15] maybe a 50 percent threshold instead of 25 percent.

[45:18] I think we want to insent the renovation and remodel of our existing housing stock.

[45:24] to know

[45:30] how other council members feel about that.

[45:35] Council member, like I can certainly research it further to see what other jurisdictions do.

[45:40] Okay, thank you.

[45:45] The fourth item that was discussed.

[45:49] Yeah, I just want to make a comment on what council member played brought up.

[45:53] Because I think when we're talking about

[45:57] remodels and additions, it depends on the use.

[46:00] where if someone's doing an addition, that's an excessive rolling unit or intended to be a separate

[46:07] or a living quarter, it makes perfect sense for there to be a development fee assessed on that,

[46:12] because an impact fee to be assessed on that, because it would be an additional population.

[46:16] If somebody is remodeling an older home, and it's the same people living in the home,

[46:22] it doesn't seem all fair that there's an impact fee assessed on that model.

[46:26] it's already been accumulated somewhere, and so I think there's a difference in the type of

[46:33] remodel that we're talking about. And you're very correct, Mayor Council member Jordan,

[46:38] certainly for remodels that have no expansion of the footprint or the square footage,

[46:42] would have no impact fee associated. There's typically just such a diff if the size is increased.

[46:50] But Mr. Mayor, I mean, that still doesn't make any sense today, because what if a family is adding

[46:54] a family room. You know, it's the same people we're talking about population for residential

[47:02] impact. And it's the same group people living in the home. They're not adding, you know,

[47:09] turning the garage into an apartment or something like that. So I, that concerns me. I'm not sure

[47:15] about that one yet. And I wonder what percentage of our impact fee collection we'd even be talking

[47:20] about in terms of these type of remodels because it may be such a small percentage that

[47:28] we need to look at the whole of it first before we go further with that one.

[47:33] I will definitely do some more work on that.

[47:35] Thank you.

[47:38] The next item was discussed and you'll see in now written comments were also received regarding

[47:47] just commercial parking structures. So these are structures that are

[47:52] associated specifically with any type of other commercial building. And what I

[47:59] had had found in some research is that a lot of jurisdictions these were

[48:03] exempt as being accessory. So I asked legal to do a little bit of research to

[48:10] see if that was also applicable and what legal had come back with is that it does sound very

[48:17] duplicative of an impact fee under our state code as well. So for that reason, our recommendation

[48:26] at this time is that if it is just a standalone parking garage structure, we would deem it as

[48:40] have a building and I'm building a parking structure as part of that that serves that building,

[48:46] that the parking structure square footage would would be exempt. That would make sense to me.

[48:52] But a separate parking structure that I'm intending to utilize to make a profit to rent those

[49:01] spaces and make a profit does have an impact because it does serve more cars coming into downtown

[49:09] and that doesn't seem like, even though it may serve existing buildings, it does seem to

[49:15] mean that, so to me, it seems backwards that the stand-alone structure would be the one

[49:19] that we would do an impact fee on in the one that would be part of a separate development.

[49:26] Another development, even if it was a separate structure, but it was associated with a larger

[49:31] development, those I could see being exempt. I don't know how other folks feel.

[49:36] It's managed to question, would you envision, would you look at it as a commercial use at that point then if we were to have impact fees?

[49:46] Well, I know from, I guess I'm saying from a police, especially from a police and fire standpoint, that building does, in fact, have impact on service needs and service provision.

[49:59] So maybe, maybe exempt from park, I could see that, but I think exempt from police and fire seems to me to be,

[50:07] I don't know, how other folks feel about it.

[50:11] Mr. Mayor, I'll just chime in on that.

[50:13] I think having it go this route, based on recommendation.

[50:17] I don't know if it would help and send others to build them.

[50:20] And I almost see that if we had a problem or there was too much parking,

[50:24] that's one thing.

[50:25] But the fact that we have too few parking for the future,

[50:29] as we look at our downtown,

[50:31] this seems like it could be a good policy decision for us to help

[50:34] and send some of that activity.

[50:35] because I don't see that adding it is increasing the service, you think it's going to draw more cars.

[50:41] I think we have the cars already coming, but there's no where to put them in a good way.

[50:46] They're using all the surface slots, but if we can have them in a parking garage,

[50:49] then I should be a better use.

[50:51] So I like this because it seems like it'll get us closer to having higher likelihood of having parking garage partners in the future.

[50:59] And so because it's almost a supply and demand piece, I support the recommendation.

[51:04] That's my take on on this one.

[51:07] And Mayor Council members, under the new land use categories, the parking garage, if

[51:13] impact fees were imposed would be under the industrial classification, which is the lower

[51:20] lower rate.

[51:21] But like I said, up on research, when I did find jurisdictions with fire and police

[51:26] impact fees, in many cases, these were specifically called out as exempt.

[51:39] more research.

[51:46] The next item is regard to infill versus new development in more of the open-space areas.

[51:57] And specifically, I assumed this was around the fire stations, and you'll see we did have an email response

[52:04] of where there's something similar to the part situation of serving a primary close area,

[52:13] and then there's also a regional benefit, but it's very challenging to come up with different

[52:19] degrees of impact for invalve versus new. And many other elements that need to be considered

[52:29] regarding that.

[52:31] Certainly going forward, we can look at other methods of determining that degree of impact.

[52:38] At this time, what we have is our policy to provide an equal and uniform level of service.

[52:51] On there.

[52:52] Tonya, I think you're right.

[52:54] I think at this point it would be pretty difficult to figure out that different level

[52:58] service. I would like us to explore in the future doing with fire what we did with parks which

[53:04] is create that regional impact versus the localized impact. And in that case, the capital

[53:12] costs of new local stations may or may not be a reality. And if they're not, then infill could

[53:19] be an example. But I think that's a big, much bigger discussion than would take a lot of work.

[53:24] I can't see it being ready for this, this iteration.

[53:31] It's agreed.

[53:33] Our next item is regarding affordable housing.

[53:37] As you know our current policy does state that affordable housing may exempt

[53:43] upon your approval.

[53:45] And we are moving in that direction.

[53:47] We this year in 16, we did have some funding set aside

[53:51] and we did have one request for this exemption

[53:53] and it was a very successful housing project.

[53:57] So I think the city is moving in a good direction.

[54:01] And there can probably be a little more outreach on that.

[54:07] Because from this comment, I took it to be that it's just not known about this exemption.

[54:15] But it is available out there.

[54:16] So we do need to do a little more public outreach in that area.

[54:20] And then Mr. Mayor, I'm quick on that.

[54:24] So you're saying more research on that?

[54:26] No, right now it's maybe deemed not suggesting we say exempt it from impact fees.

[54:33] You're saying more research.

[54:34] I want to make sure I understood what you're suggesting.

[54:37] Thank you.

[54:38] Mayor, Council Member Thompson.

[54:39] It is allowed affordable housing and has some criteria to meet.

[54:43] And we have that criteria outlined in our ordinance currently.

[54:47] It's not a blanket exemption because the one of the criteria that is required in that's per state code is that we have to have, we have to replace that impact fee revenue from another source.

[55:00] So in 2016, we have set aside funding to actually replace that impact fee revenue upon request for this exemption.

[55:07] And that's where we've had one request, it was very successful and we did replace that

[55:12] impact fee revenue.

[55:16] But what it appears to be is that the development community is just unaware that we do

[55:23] have this and it is available and they have to meet criteria for that but we are moving

[55:30] in that direction.

[55:33] Thank you Mr. Mayor, I kind of favor the way that we have this set up now because it gives us the opportunity based on the code section that says that we have to replace the revenue to review it for consistency and to really make sure that the criteria are being met and the community is being served, whatever the application is because I think affordable housing is something that can be defined in a variety of different ways.

[56:02] and favors the review of these individually by project.

[56:07] But I do agree that we need to do a better job

[56:09] to get the word out on this.

[56:11] Thank you.

[56:12] Secretary, I, the category I'm a particular fan

[56:17] of this institutional category,

[56:19] which we've never had, right?

[56:23] Because the book, not all those uses are tax exempt

[56:30] But the needs are still there, so I think that's a good category.

[56:34] I don't want to start giving away, you know, the same kind of request could be made of these.

[56:42] And I really like this category.

[56:44] They're getting this exemptions in all these other ways.

[56:47] The impact you should be paid, I think.

[56:50] So, that's the only thing that makes me nervous about the affordable housing one

[56:54] Are we open in the door for more requests like that, but anyway?

[57:04] Okay.

[57:04] The very last item, and that will just be part of this study.

[57:09] It turns out that you'll see it in the written comments of different

[57:14] Comparabilities, different cities, from developers perspective of what

[57:18] they compare themselves against and where they do business.

[57:22] So we will certainly include some of these cities in that final study.

[57:30] Tony, on this one, can you make sure to just connect with Nick Miller?

[57:33] This is a line with the work that came out of boys he competes.

[57:37] Because I know there were several comparable cities that we looked at and there was multiple categories.

[57:42] It'd be great to line those and maybe we'll learn something new or maybe we can add a city or two

[57:46] that really came out of that study.

[57:48] So just make sure to sync up with him because this really fits in the boys.

[57:51] If we're going to be a place where you can develop, we want to make sure that we're comparable

[57:56] across those other markets.

[57:58] So that'd be helpful.

[57:59] Yes.

[57:59] Thank you.

[58:00] Thank you.

[58:02] Mr. Mayor.

[58:04] Tonya.

[58:05] Thank you for working on this.

[58:07] You state in your memo, and I want to ask you a question about it.

[58:11] The developer feedback was very positive about the increased impact fees schedule.

[58:17] That would surprise me, unless you didn't talk about how much those were.

[58:23] Mayor Councilmember Ludwig, I believe we gave you a couple of the presentation.

[58:31] It was very detailed.

[58:32] We did go for a proposed schedule, and we went through some examples.

[58:39] By feedback being positive, I think overall they appreciated the direction that the city was going

[58:46] and how the city has been very open to listening to them, bringing them into the process.

[58:54] They certainly appeared to me, and of course, Council Member Clay, and Council Member

[58:58] Jordan participated in these roundtables, it appears that they did appreciate a lot of the

[59:04] work that the city has done and the direction that we're going in general.

[59:08] Now, specifically to the increases, they understood the increases, they understood the

[59:14] be seen for the increases,

[59:19] but they were all very positive, and it was a very good group

[59:24] to work with.

[59:25] It was mayor.

[59:27] The Council member led with my experience in the round table that I sat in on was that

[59:33] people knew that there would be potential increases coming, and I think they were sealed

[59:37] for a lot worse than what they saw.

[59:40] They anticipated it being more than what it was, and I think there was great appreciation

[59:44] especially on the discussion about the commercial and narrowing the definitions on commercial

[59:51] and office a little bit to help out with that. I kind of went into it expecting a lot more

[59:57] confrontation than there was.

[1:00:04] I think another important part of that discussion that came up in the two round tables that I was in is that the city's been pretty consistently in favor of making sure that we get our impact fees based on the reality of the situation in front of us in terms of capital improvement needs and also the reality of what generates those needs.

[1:00:31] And that if we could do that internally, then we'd be in a better position to ask our partners,

[1:00:37] specifically, ASHD, to do the same kind of work.

[1:00:41] And so I think the developers that were in the round tables, I was really appreciated the fact

[1:00:47] that we were trying to go after this very transparently and very openly, so that we could

[1:00:52] align the impact trees with stated policies and values that we have, and so that we could be

[1:01:00] a better position to perhaps ask our partners to do the same thing.

[1:01:07] Mr. Mayor. So you'll be able to, you're going to shoot us those, right, and, like,

[1:01:12] see those. And I, you know, I'm going back to Councillor member Ludwig's comment as well.

[1:01:19] I would have guessed that biggest pushback would be on a commercial noncommercial, and it sounds like it was.

[1:01:25] I mean, where the most conversation occurred is related to item number one, which to me out of these, all of them are important, but number one in particular, and I wanted to make sure I understood, so the idea here would be to go forward with defining what these categories might be for commercial and phase those in over, so wait, hold off on that section of the impact fee.

[1:01:55] until they have been defined or, and then do it then or.

[1:02:00] Great question, there are two options.

[1:02:04] And certainly the option that I had in mind was bringing a phased

[1:02:11] implementation forward with the industrial and the non-industrial category,

[1:02:17] But because it will take possibly two to three years to refine that non-industrial or that commercial category and a line of the data accordingly,

[1:02:30] that we would work on that while we're implementing at least the industrial and the commercial categories and those fees,

[1:02:37] rather than the alternative of waiting probably several years before we get to refine commercial

[1:02:49] categories.

[1:02:52] Mr. Graham.

[1:02:54] I guess one final clarification on that, then as we go through this sort of phased

[1:03:00] in approach, given that we know that there's more complexity in understanding the

[1:03:08] structure will, will the fees that we impose in originally be reflect that complexity

[1:03:17] and maybe be not quite the either or split that we have today that we are proposing?

[1:03:25] Or were you proposing implementing the fees as we presented them?

[1:03:29] Mayor Council Member, I was proposing implementing the fees as presented.

[1:03:34] but phased.

[1:03:38] We might want to do a little bit more research on whether or not there's some

[1:03:44] in between that would reflect if it's coming in complexities. Okay, potentially.

[1:03:55] Okay,

[1:03:55] it counts, remember? I'm going to give you these and then we'll just move forward with the process

[1:04:01] and the next steps are outlined in your memo.

[1:04:05] Okay, thank you. Well, we take five and four

[1:04:07] head into the next item.

[1:07:26] We are back the riveting topic of curbside organic. It's a definition

[1:07:33] of a slow news and we could seem to be. Thank you all for coming and turn it over to

[1:07:40] you folks, curb it to point all. Thank you, Mr. Mayor Good afternoon, Mayor Council members.

[1:07:46] With me today, I have Catherine Shoutini, our Solid Waste Program Manager and Heather Buchanan

[1:07:51] is our administration manager for public works.

[1:07:54] And thanks again for letting us come in and talk

[1:07:56] about the proposed residential curbside organic program.

[1:08:00] So today we're going to give you some background

[1:08:01] on the program, kind of where the impetus

[1:08:04] for the idea came from.

[1:08:06] Catherine's going to give you an overview of the actual program

[1:08:08] specifics, giving in to cart sizes

[1:08:11] and what we'll be collecting, et cetera.

[1:08:13] We'll turn it over to Heather and she'll cover the program

[1:08:15] funding piece and then I'll close it with a schedule

[1:08:18] and then we'll stand for questions that certainly throughout

[1:08:20] will be available for questions.

[1:08:23] So by way of background, in 2013, a city staff reviewed

[1:08:27] and updated the city's solid waste strategic plan.

[1:08:29] And in that plan, there were goals that were related to

[1:08:33] curve side organics that was a recognition

[1:08:34] that we had a firm out of our waste dream related

[1:08:37] to organic material.

[1:08:39] So food waste that comes from food scraps,

[1:08:41] and then grass clippings, what do you do

[1:08:44] breathe it comes from landscaping?

[1:08:47] And so one of the goals that we had in that program

[1:08:50] the update of the Strategic Plan was to reduce our per capita waste generation, and then

[1:08:55] focusing on resource recovery, really trying to figure out how could we recover the resources

[1:09:00] that we knew were in some of that waste region that was going to the landfill, and specifically

[1:09:04] Curbsat Organics, how could we promote the highest value of that recovered material?

[1:09:10] In subsequent to that update in 2014, Aida County commissioned a waste stream analysis with

[1:09:15] two primary objectives. One was to provide data on the composition and quantity of what was actually going

[1:09:21] to the landfill and then more importantly for us and kind of what we're taking action on is to provide

[1:09:26] data that can be used to plan future programs. I'm going to show you some of the information

[1:09:30] that came from that waste stream analysis. So this is a look at for all of eight accounting. This is the

[1:09:36] waste stream breakdown for all of the trash that goes to the eight accounting landfill. So this would

[1:09:41] include both residential and commercial and industrial for that matter.

[1:09:46] So this is a breakout of all the ways that goes to the landfill and I draw your attention

[1:09:50] to the lower right-hand corner here.

[1:09:52] This is the percent of organics that goes to the landfill from that complete waste stream.

[1:09:58] It's about 30 percent of the landfill is comprised of organics that comes and is delivered to

[1:10:02] the landfill.

[1:10:04] This way.

[1:10:06] Question on that.

[1:10:07] So up in the paper, there's the compostable paper that looks like it's maybe 3.8 percent

[1:10:11] would that also be part of the curbside composting or now?

[1:10:17] Mr. Mayor, council member, I think what we're going to limit it to is food scraps and we'll

[1:10:21] talk about we actually have a slide that talks about what we're going to accept and we're

[1:10:24] limiting it to food scraps and then yard debris and I defer to any if there's a kind of a different

[1:10:29] take on that.

[1:10:31] I think.

[1:10:33] But then we kind of analyze and slice and dice the information in a little more detailed

[1:10:37] fashion. We find that specific to single-family residential homes in the city of Boise, there's

[1:10:44] kind of a different break out of what we see going to the landfill. And in fact, almost 46% of

[1:10:49] the trash that goes to the landfill from single-family residential in the city of Boise is comprised

[1:10:54] of organics. And so when staff, we saw this information, there's an opportunity there to potentially

[1:11:00] beneficiously reuse those organics that are going to landfill. I'll just all kinds of benefits

[1:11:04] that come from reducing the attacks that are going to the landfill.

[1:11:08] And so out of this information, we decided that if we wanted to go ahead and try to achieve

[1:11:13] some of those goals that were identified in the 2013 updated Southeast or TG plan, and in

[1:11:19] order to divert, recycle over 40% of voices residential, organic waste, we're going to

[1:11:23] require two things.

[1:11:24] One would be the actual composting facility, and the second would be the ability to collect

[1:11:28] and haul the organic materials to take it to the composting facility.

[1:11:32] So, in 2014, late 2014, we started discussions with the public services, our franchise

[1:11:36] Haller, just to start the conversation on what would this take to achieve those top two

[1:11:41] bullets there, actual building accomplishing facility, and what would be the financial capital

[1:11:46] impacts of the ability to collect and haul the organic material from just residential

[1:11:51] kerbset or ganks.

[1:11:53] And so, in 2015, Republic came back with a cost estimate, really was a performance that they

[1:11:59] outside of GANX program. Again, just emphasizing this is residential only. And based on that

[1:12:04] information we got back from public, it seemed apparent to a staff that this was worth pursuing

[1:12:09] further, that the cost implications that we'll get into and much more detail later seem to be

[1:12:15] worth going further and pursuing, if you see if we could pull this off, the curves out of GANX program.

[1:12:21] So at that point, about two years ago, eight of county formed what's referred to as the

[1:12:29] trash to the landfill, in addition, there are folks who are kind of citizens that large and other folks that may have an interest in kind of trash issues.

[1:12:38] And so at one point about early 2015, we floated the idea to the Solid Waste Advisory Committee and the potential for initially we thought what if we put the composting facility at the 80 county landfill.

[1:12:51] And based on feedback that we got from the citizens, there's a citizen member on that committee.

[1:12:57] And then also the county, there was a lot of concern about voters.

[1:13:00] The county had worked very hard to try to address the other issues at the county landfill.

[1:13:05] And they were concerned about maybe this causing issues related to voter.

[1:13:10] We're very confident that a well-operated composting facility does not have voters.

[1:13:14] in fact we visited one out in Corvallis, that is very well operated and didn't have any

[1:13:20] orders.

[1:13:20] But appreciating the concern, we decided what, we went back to Republic and asked, what happens

[1:13:25] if we would pivot and potentially locate the composting facility at our 20 miles south

[1:13:30] farm, what are the consequences of that?

[1:13:32] And they were almost the menimists, they were very minor.

[1:13:35] So we decided maybe it's just best, in order not to kind of have to address that over issue

[1:13:40] in an area that has a lot of citizens surrounding landfill.

[1:13:43] Maybe we pivot and go down to our 20 miles south farm where we have available acreage.

[1:13:48] This may.

[1:13:50] I have a question on the location piece.

[1:13:53] I appreciate that you guys are trying to be sensitive about the concerns and I think that's really wise.

[1:13:58] I wonder if in any of your conversations did you look at all of the land that we own out near the airport,

[1:14:05] which seems to be a lot closer than the 20 miles south farm and talked to us about that analysis a little bit, please?

[1:14:11] Mr. Mayor Counselor, Mr. Jordan, but the level of analysis wasn't detailed to a point

[1:14:19] where we looked at specific parcels that we own as a city.

[1:14:22] I think it jumped out to us that we already had the farm composting fit well with that

[1:14:27] operation, a farming operation.

[1:14:29] There is potential for birds, other type of wildlife that probably wouldn't be very conducive

[1:14:35] with an airport environment.

[1:14:37] And so that's where we kind of decided probably want to go south and be in an area where we're

[1:14:41] not really surrounded by any neighbors and fit well with what we had at the farm.

[1:14:50] Okay, with that I'll turn it over to Katherine and she's going to get into some details on the actual program itself.

[1:14:56] So some of the things that we've looked at are kind of the best practices around the country.

[1:15:09] We want to focus first on residential customers only, get our feet wet, get that going and do it very well. It will be curbside collection with the specialty mark to 95 gallon carts.

[1:15:21] Republic is willing to offer customers the smaller size cards of 48 gallon or

[1:15:26] this is 65 gallon so we want to write size folks's service whatever fits your

[1:15:31] situation the best and we know that we're going to have customers with unique

[1:15:34] situations and we want to work with them to provide the right size service for

[1:15:38] their needs. The curbsite collection will be weekly and it will be year

[1:15:43] around because we will be able to collect all of the food scraps as well as

[1:15:46] yard waste and we have found really with our leaf collection and Christmas tree

[1:15:51] collection program over the last few years.

[1:15:53] Mother Nature Drops leaves is early September

[1:15:56] and is latest January.

[1:15:58] So we know that we have a lot of materials that are being

[1:16:00] landfill or held on to impact yards that throughout the year

[1:16:03] that we could be taking in a curbside program.

[1:16:06] Mr. Mayor, a quick question on that.

[1:16:09] I turn on the different size with that result

[1:16:12] in a different cost, so less if you have a smaller one.

[1:16:18] Mr. Mayor, councilmember, there is no differential

[1:16:20] the size of the car is just what will work the best for you.

[1:16:27] There's really no way around.

[1:16:30] If you have glass recycling,

[1:16:33] regular waste and organic shit get poor.

[1:16:36] Can there's no way around that?

[1:16:38] Is there a meaning?

[1:16:40] They don't do it, do it.

[1:16:43] Reset the client again.

[1:16:46] Mr. Mayor, there are communities that do that.

[1:16:48] However, it oftentimes means a modification to the trucks in order to provide that kind

[1:16:53] of service.

[1:16:54] So you spend it one way or you've kind of spend it in another.

[1:16:57] And that's why we want to work with customers.

[1:16:59] Ultimately, you know, the goal is to reduce the amount of trash folks are setting out.

[1:17:03] You know, that's our long-term goal is the less trash and the more that's diverted or reduced.

[1:17:08] And so hopefully customers can kind of find that right mix of services for their needs.

[1:17:16] Okay.

[1:17:17] that we have right now. Are they in three sizes two? Mr. Mayor Council member, yes, we offer

[1:17:23] three sizes in trash, recycling and now in the composting. So it's the smallest garbage

[1:17:27] can right now, the same size as the glass. Mr. Mayor, no, it's actually the recycling for glass

[1:17:35] is a 65 gallon cart that's the middle size. Oh, so you can go smaller. You can't go

[1:17:39] Okay, so then this mayor. I actually need to get smaller. I thought we had this moan.

[1:17:45] So my next question is related to that. So I know you'll get to rates shortly.

[1:17:51] But right now I have a smaller garbage can. So do I get a rebate or something back monthly

[1:17:57] for using that smaller garbage can? Mr. Mayor council member. Yes, you do get a reduced rate for using a 65 or 48 gallon trash cart.

[1:18:05] is at the same rate for both the 65 and the 48.

[1:18:08] And what is that?

[1:18:10] It's about a dollar last a month.

[1:18:14] All right.

[1:18:15] Can these difference?

[1:18:16] Wait a minute.

[1:18:17] This target is

[1:18:21] built.

[1:18:22] It literally goes to there's no one who goes to South America.

[1:18:31] Mr. Mayor, council member, absolutely.

[1:18:33] We want those leaves.

[1:18:34] And you can put them out any time you generate them.

[1:18:37] Good for you, teacher.

[1:18:38] Big tree that dumps a lot all at once.

[1:18:41] would we allow stickers like we do with trash cans for extra organic material pick up on those

[1:18:48] on those specific what maybe once a year on those days when you have those. Mr. Mayor,

[1:18:54] councilmember, we will allow people to continue to use during that kind of leaf collection period,

[1:18:59] the paper bags, because we know they work really well. Okay. If you do have a tree that drops suddenly,

[1:19:04] And we'll take them as long as you're part of the weekly pickup.

[1:19:11] Secondly, if I could to the size, I've done just a quick look around in the country.

[1:19:18] And in terms of the cards that seem to work with our, with the trucks,

[1:19:22] Republicans, and you guys can certainly correct me if I'm wrong.

[1:19:26] It appears that if there's a 35 gallon size and not just a 48 gallon.

[1:19:31] And I wonder if, yeah, they're very skinny and I wonder if, especially, you know, in some instances,

[1:19:40] a lot of folks, we, for instance, have the 65 gallon trash cart only for yard waste.

[1:19:46] We don't come close to needing that for trash.

[1:19:49] I wonder if, as part of that, this we could explore having that even smaller size for trash.

[1:19:55] And if you go to that, have an extra reduction

[1:19:59] for taking that very small size and trash.

[1:20:01] Mr. Mayor, Councilmember, when we evaluated the

[1:20:05] curbate program in the beginning, we did look at the

[1:20:07] small size cards of 35 gallon cards.

[1:20:09] Most communities that we talked to that had those

[1:20:12] recommended that we not use them.

[1:20:14] And the biggest issue was it can be very hard

[1:20:17] particularly in the winter months to get the trash

[1:20:19] out of those cards.

[1:20:20] It tends to pack in the bottom and it's pretty hard to get

[1:20:24] solid trash out of the bottom of those cards they also suggest pizza boxes are a nightmare

[1:20:28] getting out of those cards. So that's why we didn't go with them originally. We can

[1:20:33] re-look at that and see if we want to make those available. Another option for folks is we

[1:20:39] may want to set up a structure or a rate structure over time that would incentivize people to

[1:20:44] set out their trash less frequently. So if you don't fill in your card every week, set it

[1:20:48] out every other week or maybe once a month and we come up with a system or a rate structure

[1:20:52] that would incentivize people to really reduce

[1:20:55] their amount of pressure that they're setting up.

[1:20:57] The biggest cost is driving down the street

[1:21:00] and emptying that container.

[1:21:03] So I think that there's lots of opportunities

[1:21:05] with this program to work towards the future of reducing

[1:21:08] the waste we're producing and providing pay as you throw

[1:21:13] or an opportunity to really reward people

[1:21:16] who reduce their amount of pressure that we now.

[1:21:19] This man just had, I think, anecdotally the feedback

[1:21:21] that we've gotten from citizens who we've talked to.

[1:21:24] I think that's probably the primary concern

[1:21:26] is I've got now four cards or three cards.

[1:21:28] And so we're going to try to be very sensitive to that

[1:21:31] and try to develop options that will help

[1:21:33] address that concern that's definitely the one

[1:21:34] that probably popping up in the most.

[1:21:36] And oh, if I could, Mr. Mayor, my son lives in Seattle

[1:21:38] and he doesn't, his trash is not a cart.

[1:21:41] His trash is really a very small bin that they don't physically.

[1:21:49] The materials that we'll be collecting are kitchen scraps

[1:21:51] in yard waste and I'm glad that we heard the conversation

[1:21:54] about the compostable paper products. Obviously, a small amount of compostable paper products is not

[1:21:59] going to be a problem. Folks want to put out the leaf bags. We can deal with those. In the

[1:22:03] beginning, I don't know that we would want to take a lot of compostable paper products, but it is

[1:22:07] something that we will be working through. Leaves and Christmas trees, as we mentioned, bundle

[1:22:12] branches, all those branches that come down in the middle of the year that you want to get rid of.

[1:22:16] We'll be able to take care of those. And it is unlimited collection and customers can rent extra

[1:22:21] If you have a large yard, I have a third of an acre with a lot of plant material because I like to grow things.

[1:22:27] I may be the kind of person who wants two carts.

[1:22:29] There may be lots of folks out there that have acreages or property with a lot of trees.

[1:22:34] They may want additional carts, and we're going to make those available for folks.

[1:22:39] The composting facility will be located at the 20 mile south farm site, a steep mentioned earlier.

[1:22:43] And we did take a look, you know, at least in a cursory level at other properties the city had, and because of the FAA rules for bird attractance, composting is not recommended near airports.

[1:22:55] This is an ideal site even though it's further out of town and it is a bit of a drive, but it is an ideal site from an operational perspective.

[1:23:01] There's water there, there's good transportation system there, we can access the site very easily.

[1:23:06] Republic services will develop and operate the site, the city will own it.

[1:23:11] They expect to be able to create finished compost within about 100 days from start to finish.

[1:23:17] We will own the city, we'll own the finished product.

[1:23:20] We built into kind of our rate structure that about 50% would be sold.

[1:23:25] 50% would be available to put on city properties, golf courses, parks, public lands where we might need it.

[1:23:32] And then we would also make some of that material available to the public at no charge.

[1:23:38] The program would be launched some time in the spring of next year.

[1:23:41] My goal is March.

[1:23:43] We typically see our trash volumes got 30 to 40 percent in March to April.

[1:23:48] So I'd kind of like to have it start about the time we're starting to see that volume increase.

[1:23:52] But a lot of it will have to be dependent upon getting the trucks in the equipment here in time to launch it.

[1:23:58] Next spring.

[1:23:59] Mr. Mayor.

[1:24:01] Katherine, on the 50% so that's one part that well I understand being worked into the

[1:24:07] rate structure sounds like that was an important component of that.

[1:24:13] I have difficulty increasing rates on one hand and then not offering the product to our citizens

[1:24:21] on the other.

[1:24:22] And while you suggest possibly recommended giving some of it, I like the concept of giving certainly to our parks.

[1:24:36] That makes sense that reduces costs to our citizens, and it's a great use, but whatever's left, first offering that,

[1:24:44] And, you know, at least a residential level free of charge, because the residents were other

[1:24:51] ones at large-scale companies coming in and taking it all, but small residential

[1:24:56] were coming, filling up their truck, taking it and putting it on their yard.

[1:25:00] I love that concept, and what does that do to the race structure if we offer it all of

[1:25:07] it, to the public for free?

[1:25:10] Mr. Mayor, council member, one of the things that we did look at is where other communities

[1:25:14] have done similar programs, oftentimes they have found that they produce more compost than

[1:25:20] they can actually give away. So they're sort of that other side of the point. And then

[1:25:27] I'll let Heather talk about the amount of revenue that we expected from that.

[1:25:33] May I count some member? In our program our will include about $64,000 of revenue from the

[1:25:39] So it's actually a pretty small amount, if we weren't to sell, it wouldn't make, we figured

[1:25:46] it would per customer per month, it's about a seven-cent difference, so it's not huge enough.

[1:25:52] Okay, so just a little quick follow up on that, Mr. Mayor.

[1:25:55] I think it'd be great to be able to give as much as we could.

[1:26:00] I mean, use as much as a city and then give as much as we could and sell the rest because we don't want it to.

[1:26:08] we have to get rid of it. But if there are citizens there ready to pick it up, give it.

[1:26:18] I think that's a great perk of this program. And it goes to the concerns of those that are already

[1:26:27] composting. That concerns still exist, so I'm to agree, but it helps if they know they're going to get as much

[1:26:33] they can take, and then we sell the rest, especially knowing it's a small component of the feed.

[1:26:39] So Mr. Man, Council Member, I appreciate the comment, and I think one of the things we actually talked about,

[1:26:43] and I haven't worked out all the logistics of this yet, but from the farm, we'd be able to back

[1:26:48] call it to the city. So we have trucks that deliver stuff to the farm, and then head back to the

[1:26:52] tree and plants. We're trying to work out some of the details, but we might be able to back

[1:26:55] call it to say a central location like the voici water shatter, and then make it available for free

[1:27:00] and so appreciate the comment. We'll look into it.

[1:27:05] We wanted to give you some ideas.

[1:27:06] Yeah, let's go ahead.

[1:27:08] Katherine, or whoever's doing the financial analysis this,

[1:27:11] I don't think I saw a performer.

[1:27:12] So I have some questions along those lines,

[1:27:15] because at first blush, I'm somewhat opposed to an increase in fees

[1:27:21] or the cost of this other than the cost of the cart.

[1:27:27] At least at this point, I think this is something that is very important.

[1:27:30] all, I think, encourage conservation. But when you say, you've done a per form, a couple

[1:27:36] of questions for you, as I'd like to know how you got to $64,000 on the 20 mile farm retail

[1:27:42] side, that surprises me because I would pick that number of these significantly higher, but

[1:27:48] I don't know. And then on the front side, the reduced landfill costs that would save the city

[1:27:55] the taxpayers on the front end of the back end, I really think there needs to be a significant

[1:28:02] analysis to determine whether or not there needs to be a fee increase. I'm not faulting

[1:28:07] a republic, they're entitled to make a profit, and that's a whole other animal I'm not talking

[1:28:11] about right now, but to really determine how this sort of an innovative and creative and something

[1:28:20] that we should encourage effort could be done in such a way that the user, which I'm

[1:28:30] support voluntary use at this point in time, but the user of this service might not have

[1:28:35] a fee because of the front and back end savings or revenue.

[1:28:40] So I was surprised when you got to 64,000, might not so sharp pencil had substantial revenue.

[1:28:47] Mr. Mayor, Councillor, fair question, I think on the 64,000 piece we're trying to be somewhat

[1:28:53] conservative because we take that, what we take on the revenue side for selling compost,

[1:28:59] we use that to reduce rate impacts to citizens. So we're trying to be somewhat conservative

[1:29:03] if that market wasn't there and we had to come back for another rate increase. We're trying

[1:29:07] to be conservative on that front. And then as far as the larger cost of the program, one of

[1:29:16] value. There's certainly airspace at the landfill, significant savings that will see by not using

[1:29:22] the landfill. So we had an estimate about five to six dollars per cubic yard of airspace

[1:29:27] that it takes to develop a landfill. And so when we think about the capital costs on the on the

[1:29:32] on the on the front side of a composting program, we think we'd be able to recover those costs

[1:29:38] and maybe a 25 to 30 year period on a net present value. So from a financial standpoint, on a

[1:29:46] that present value calc, and then on the ONM side, you'll see that we'll have a slide here

[1:29:53] that talks about the reimbursement rate to Republic Services.

[1:29:57] That rate gets offset by the...

[1:30:00] Saving the landfill savings and the limited revenue will see on the composting sales. You'll see here in a second how that breaks out. Hopefully that'll help a little bit.

[1:30:09] So to just orient you to where we're located. The 20 miles south farm site is really 20 miles south of the west voice of wastewater treatment plant off of the end of Cloverdale Road.

[1:30:19] Now, we have a location of about 8 to 10 acres on that site that's not really farmable land,

[1:30:25] but it would be absolutely perfect for composting facility.

[1:30:28] And so we can designate that.

[1:30:31] We have the road to, we have water available.

[1:30:34] And because it's within the farming operation, we have the opportunity to permit the facility

[1:30:39] in that location.

[1:30:45] So, you need to go from here.

[1:30:47] Okay, I get this one.

[1:30:48] All right, so our investment, getting into our money.

[1:30:52] Republic services will need to purchase

[1:30:54] 15 new, compressed natural gas collection trucks for the program.

[1:30:59] We have to purchase the composting equipment.

[1:31:00] It is a wind road turner.

[1:31:02] One of those previous pictures you saw the big piece

[1:31:05] of equipment that actually would go through

[1:31:06] and turn the rows very frequently.

[1:31:10] And then 73,000, we have over 73,000 residential customers now.

[1:31:15] 73,000 residential carts to be purchased

[1:31:17] and then to develop the compost site, the city will do the siding application that conditional

[1:31:22] use permit with the county. The siding application has to be submitted to DEQ and Central

[1:31:27] District Health within also work with them on the review of the siding application and the

[1:31:32] operating plan, which all have to be permitted. Republic will prepare the operating plan.

[1:31:38] We're going to have to work on this kind of concurrently together with the siding application

[1:31:42] and the city will provide the location and the water for the facility.

[1:31:51] As we discuss in this kind of gets into the performer part of things, our reimbursement

[1:31:57] to Republic Services would we are expecting to be about $5.86.

[1:32:03] So we looked at every way possible to reduce that cost to the customer otherwise it would

[1:32:09] be passed directly through to the customer.

[1:32:11] So as we discussed earlier, we found ways including the Composter Avenue and landfill savings

[1:32:17] to reduce that there are a few other items that we've also included as ways to reduce that

[1:32:23] cost to our customers. So, including those savings, we come out to the result that about 80%

[1:32:31] of our customers would see a $3.40 increase per month. So, the remaining 20% of customers would

[1:32:41] They're increased cost more than $3.40, but that's because they have multiple trash containers.

[1:32:50] And we currently have that in our rate structure already.

[1:32:52] So if you have additional trash service, you automatically pay more for that.

[1:32:57] So we're incorporating into this a participation in rebate of $5 per month.

[1:33:01] If you choose to participate in the composting program, you will offer the trash only cost.

[1:33:09] you would have a participation rate of five dollars. So we're expecting now our customer rate increase

[1:33:15] in effect October 1st or 2016. And as Katherine mentioned the program would start in March,

[1:33:23] so that lead time is so that we can purchase cards, track, equipment and develop the composting site.

[1:33:29] I have a question for you.

[1:33:30] Thanks.

[1:33:32] Is the cost of 340 a month after the rebate?

[1:33:37] Yes.

[1:33:38] Mayor Council member.

[1:33:39] Yes it is.

[1:33:40] So I have a couple of examples in the next slide.

[1:33:45] So this is an example of our 80% of customers.

[1:33:48] So currently 80% of our customers have one trash cart and one recycling cart.

[1:33:53] And so if we add the composting service on to that,

[1:33:56] It will be increased of $3.40, so that'll bring their cost up to $17.77.

[1:34:05] So the next example is one of the scenarios of what the other 20% of our customers can have.

[1:34:13] So in this case, this customer has one recycling cart and three trash carts currently.

[1:34:19] So they have quite a bit of trash service.

[1:34:20] If we're adding on the composting cart, their increase would be roughly $7 per month, and that's

[1:34:28] because they have the two additional trashcarts in there.

[1:34:31] And this is just one example of that service.

[1:34:38] So, and granted our rates right now are preliminary.

[1:34:41] We need to do a lot of additional work on our rate schedule and so forth.

[1:34:45] But our whole goal is so that we're in training and sent customers to participate in the composting

[1:34:50] recycling programs and minimize their trash that gives the landfill.

[1:34:54] So this slide shows a comparison of our rates both

[1:34:58] regionally and to some of the cities that we compare with

[1:35:02] regionally and then another one for their way.

[1:35:06] But you can see the 1777 for listed under Boise,

[1:35:10] would be our rate after we add that increase for composting.

[1:35:15] And you can see then that we're still very comparable to

[1:35:18] to county and we're at the end of Q&A now, but we're still right in the ballpark or what they

[1:35:23] offer.

[1:35:24] If you compare more visually to Spokane Salt Lake, Portland, and even Austin, which is a little

[1:35:31] bit further away, we're still under what they are charging their customers, and like for example

[1:35:37] in Spokane, they actually charge their customers separately to compost, so it's an additional

[1:35:42] be on top of their base rate.

[1:35:46] Mr. Speaker, is this inclusive of what we're anticipating in terms of a rate increase

[1:35:54] in solid waste anyway?

[1:35:57] Mayor, council member, play, yes, this would be for that increase that we spoke of, yes.

[1:36:03] Mr. Mayor, so the savings from what we won't be sending to the landfill, that's incorporated

[1:36:10] it here. What we would pay into county or yeah. Yes, Mayor. Yes, that is part of the

[1:36:18] differential from the reimbursement rate of 586 to republic services to the $3.40

[1:36:25] sense that we'd actually be charging customers, the difference between those two numbers

[1:36:30] is that savings for the landfill tip fees and things that are going to the landfill,

[1:36:35] the compost revenue and a few other things that we've incorporated. That's quite a bit.

[1:36:39] of the reduction on that and on. Now, have you seen anything in looking at these other cities

[1:36:47] in terms of those that are individual citizens that already compost small segment of population,

[1:36:57] we do a little in our house and is there anything that continues to incentivize them to do that

[1:37:07] when they are paying this fee, you know,

[1:37:09] like today's article on statesmen.

[1:37:11] And the situation such as that,

[1:37:13] I don't know if other cities have up-down options

[1:37:17] for citizens that compost,

[1:37:19] but of course you'd have to, we don't want to police that.

[1:37:23] And if there's no, one last point,

[1:37:25] if there's no reduced rates for smaller containers,

[1:37:28] other than providing the compost for free,

[1:37:32] what's the incentive for someone already composting

[1:37:36] to support this. Mr. Mayor, Council Member, what we found is those cities who have very aggressive

[1:37:42] waste diversion programs have a rate structure that really provides the incentive on

[1:37:47] the trash and rather than focusing on the recycling waste reduction in. So they really,

[1:37:52] as Council Member Clayton noted, Seattle, they have a 20 gallon rate. I mean, it's a little

[1:37:58] tiny candy you might put out from your kitchen. So they've done it from the trash perspective

[1:38:03] of really providing me incentive at that end, if you pay more, the more you throw away.

[1:38:10] We haven't really seen any that provide rate reductions solely based on your recycling

[1:38:16] or your composting.

[1:38:17] They're more of a bundled rate for those kinds of services and then the incentive comes

[1:38:21] from reducing the amount of trash you sell.

[1:38:23] Trash, okay.

[1:38:24] One of the things that we've talked about is, we do know we have some folks who are really

[1:38:28] avid composters and we want to make sure that if they feel like they want to continue doing

[1:38:32] they are empowered to do that. And so we can create a waiver process or a process to provide

[1:38:39] them an opportunity to continue to do that without any penalty.

[1:38:43] I really really like that. Thank you.

[1:38:46] Mr. Mayor.

[1:38:48] So I just wanted to go back to that if you think on first I do like the idea of a waiver if we can

[1:38:52] come up with that. So right now I was going back to the re-vades and I asked because if

[1:39:03] Right now, our garbage, 45% of our garbage is organics.

[1:39:11] So in theory, we could use a garbage can that's 45% smaller,

[1:39:16] anybody that opted in.

[1:39:17] So getting to the true cost of garbage versus trying

[1:39:21] to regulate it on the reusing, reducing the waste stream

[1:39:24] side, I wonder if we can't look at a more noticeable

[1:39:33] rebate over time. So right now I think you said it's a dollar off and I think I get something for recycling.

[1:39:39] So it's a dollar for recycling but it has to be chipped a certain number of times. It's four dollars for recycling.

[1:39:45] So what was the dollar that I asked that I got before? Oh, the smaller part. Okay, so it's four dollars for

[1:39:51] recycling. The dollar for the smaller cart. But the true cost of that cart difference is a lot.

[1:40:03] I mean

[1:40:04] Over time, perhaps after we see the data, and then the other thing I wanted to ask about

[1:40:10] when Councilman Thompson asked about what's in it for people that already compost.

[1:40:16] With this being, I think one of the questions was whether or not meet product as part of this.

[1:40:21] So can we put things in this composting that you couldn't put in to your home composting?

[1:40:28] So Mayor Council member, the first question about the incentivizing and kind of looking at the rate structure,

[1:40:35] absolutely want to do that, I think we want to get our kind of legs under us first, get the program started,

[1:40:39] and over time we'll start to see that shift, and then have to start to address that, which would be a good thing.

[1:40:44] So I agree with that and made a note of it, to maybe start thinking about how that evolves.

[1:40:49] And the second question of the meets graphs.

[1:40:56] So currently under state regulations, the DQ is not allowed.

[1:41:00] Meet and dairy to go into a composting facility.

[1:41:03] They have agreed to work with us on maybe trying to adjust that state rule.

[1:41:08] So that potentially isn't, maybe an incentive for those folks to compost at home

[1:41:12] that maybe don't want that in their compost that that might be an option for them.

[1:41:16] But currently under state regs, it's not allowed, but we're going to work with the DQ and C if we get that changed.

[1:41:20] All right.

[1:41:21] Oh, one more question.

[1:41:23] On the, so the glass cart, do we still pay for that?

[1:41:26] Or have we wiped the charges out for that?

[1:41:29] Is it, is it five now instead of ten the way it started?

[1:41:32] Mayor of Council member, yes.

[1:41:34] There's still will be a fee for the glass cart and it does around the five dollar work.

[1:41:38] All right.

[1:41:39] This just, I mean, this gets back to the kind of waste stream thing,

[1:41:42] you know, a lot of people don't like carts,

[1:41:43] But even in my neighborhood where you might expect everybody to be willing to pay for these services,

[1:41:51] I often hear, well, why would I spend five bucks a month to recycle glass?

[1:41:55] I can just put in the garbage hand.

[1:41:57] So, I know that glass can crunch down and, you know, people make arguments.

[1:42:01] Just say it's okay.

[1:42:03] But I think that the more, if we aren't doing things on the garbage side long-term,

[1:42:09] we're not going to get people to do the waste reduction on the right side.

[1:42:21] All right, Mary, tell some members.

[1:42:22] So the bottom part of the slide just shows a little bit of a comparison of what's currently in our race.

[1:42:28] So we offer glass service.

[1:42:30] It is at a fee, but none of our comparable cities in our area offer glass service.

[1:42:37] But we also offer leaf and tree, bulk items are for free, appliances are for free.

[1:42:42] And we also have our household hazardous waste program that's not included on the side that is also free for our customers.

[1:42:49] And you can see in some of the other neighboring areas that some of those services are offered also offered, but they may offer them at a digital fee to their customers.

[1:42:59] So that kind of reinforces that even with the composting fee added on to our rate that we're still very competitive in the market.

[1:43:08] and trying to make those incentives for our customers.

[1:43:14] I hate to turn this into things we should already know,

[1:43:16] but where do you put your house on the hazardous waste?

[1:43:19] You know, I have to take them to the downport to you.

[1:43:22] Mr. Mayor, we have specific collection sites that you can take your hazardous waste to,

[1:43:29] so there's a, on our curbitboise.org site.

[1:43:32] There's a, you can't set them up.

[1:43:34] So you've got to take them to the place.

[1:43:35] I have to take them to the location where you can take them up to the landfill.

[1:43:38] Okay.

[1:43:40] Mr. Mayer.

[1:43:41] Also, isn't there additional savings, not on our own, perhaps, but on a decounties, and

[1:43:46] they have to organic waste, thanks to some recent research that have done on my understanding

[1:43:54] that the methane production has to be managed, and so if organics produce the vast majority

[1:44:02] of that methane, 80-county has to manage one, we required to manage less, which is a potential

[1:44:12] savings, or all of 80-county citizens.

[1:44:21] Okay, just a quick overview of the upcoming schedule, so obviously, may we're here in front

[1:44:25] of Council, just looking for the approval to proceed, and I got another slide that talks

[1:44:28] about what we're actually asking for today.

[1:44:31] In June, we're going to be presenting to the 80-county commissioners and the Slack as the

[1:44:38] basically what we're presenting to you today.

[1:44:40] Initiate the public education and outreach.

[1:44:42] We have had meetings with Joanna and her group on the community engagement piece.

[1:44:46] So hopefully, in June, we'll be working out those details within July.

[1:44:49] We start rolling out the public education piece.

[1:44:52] We need to work on the renewing the franchise agreement.

[1:44:54] This is pretty important.

[1:44:55] It's almost a critical, not almost.

[1:44:56] It is a critical pathway to them because it then allows us.

[1:45:00] To be able to acquire the capital investment on the public side.

[1:45:05] And lieu of that, they can't go ahead and make that investment in those 15 new trucks that we need, etc.

[1:45:10] The writing increase we mentioned will happen on October 1st.

[1:45:13] The conditional use permit, we have a question mark on that. We've been talking to House Simmons.

[1:45:17] It looks like we'll probably need a conditional use permit from a county.

[1:45:21] So we'll be working through that process.

[1:45:23] We'll have the compost facility permitted through the DEQ to help to have that wrapped up by December.

[1:45:28] and then initiate car delivery in early part of 2017 and this

[1:45:32] cast me alluded to initiate the collection and composting program in the spring of

[1:45:35] 2017 March April 10th. Yes, Mr. Mayor. So Steve,

[1:45:43] during the car delivery will you

[1:45:45] also trade out existing trashcarts for smaller ones?

[1:45:50] Mayor Council, remember I think that would be the probably the appropriate time to do it.

[1:45:53] And one of the things that we're going to recommend regarding the car is that we

[1:45:58] We use the gray carts with a green lid that gives us more flexibility.

[1:46:01] We already have a number of gray carts related to our existing program.

[1:46:05] And hopefully, over time, provides some capital savings.

[1:46:08] But yes, at that time, we would try to cycle through all the cart size changes.

[1:46:16] So our final slide, a staff recommendation, we're hopefully get direction to proceed with the

[1:46:20] addition of the residence of curbside Organics Program, direction to go ahead and work with

[1:46:24] Republic Services to update and renew the franchise agreement with Republic Services.

[1:46:28] And then, approve the rate recommendations.

[1:46:29] we don't require any motions at this time. Certainly we'll come back to you with the updated

[1:46:34] French Hazard Agreement hopefully in the July August timeframe and the approval of the rate

[1:46:38] recommendations will hopefully follow the budgeting process as it typically moves forward and you'll

[1:46:44] have an opportunity to comment on those as they move forward.

[1:46:51] I really appreciate you all bringing this

[1:46:53] forward today. I love work that you've done on this and I know in my time on the council

[1:46:58] So the request for this kind of recycling has been consistent over all that time.

[1:47:05] I mean, people want to be able to have this option to do this and, you know, when we look at where we are from our boundary standpoint, we are at our city boundaries and whatever we can do in terms of preserving the landfill space for as long as humanly possible, I think we need to be doing.

[1:47:21] So, and I'm also comforted by the fact that you're going to establish some type of a waiver provision for the true home compost.

[1:47:30] I think that's important as well. So, I'm fully in support of this, and I really appreciate the work you guys have done.

[1:47:36] Thank you. Mr. Mayor.

[1:47:38] One of the questions I had forgotten to ask that. First of all, I love the selection of the 20 miles south location,

[1:47:44] a great research and decision there that there's space I assume for allowing additional cities

[1:47:53] to join in. I mean because I could see OECS taking the lead a lot of times on programs such

[1:47:59] as this and then it proves to be successful and I would hope this one does too and then cities

[1:48:06] like Meridian, Q&A, and those could join in and don't need that location. So is that

[1:48:14] location that allows for that. Mayor, Councilor Thompson, yes. That's something that we considered

[1:48:19] several months ago. We talked to Councilor leadership just for some direction on how would you

[1:48:25] feel about if other cities were contacting us about one in the join in on our composting facility

[1:48:30] down the farm. And we're sounding yes, we would support that and want to be a leader and make that

[1:48:36] available to other communities. And we kind of hopefully had the caveat that we want to get our

[1:48:41] Kind of legs under us first, first maybe four, five, six years, get up and running, see how it's working and then be able to pivot if other communities are interested, we'd like to make that land available.

[1:48:49] Thank you.

[1:48:53] Mr. Mayor.

[1:48:54] Just a few comments on the program and thank you for bringing this, because I think it's very important.

[1:48:59] I'm fully supportive of being involved in this program, but on a voluntary basis, as I mentioned before, I'd like to see the program get started, but in some way of a manner of educating the public.

[1:49:14] and since it has hit the news in the last week, it's been a lot of time researching

[1:49:19] and a lot more than I did a week ago on this issue, I might be able to do it successfully.

[1:49:26] I tried, but also to encourage the public to make a commitment to take part in a voluntary

[1:49:33] program over the course of the next 60 or 90 days so that the city knows how many people

[1:49:41] willing to take part. It makes the fee less interesting because if somebody wants to take part,

[1:49:47] they certainly can go in with their eyes open and know what the fee is. I might even get some

[1:49:51] car cure Christmas. What a great gift. But I do think that it should be volunteering. I think

[1:49:58] that there needs to be further analysis as the franchise agreement is being developed with

[1:50:04] Republic who's done a great job, by the way. Then we can get a better performer on the financial aspects

[1:50:10] of what that fee would be. And if the numbers are conservative, a year or two down the road

[1:50:16] when we're successfully accomplishing this program and the amount of compost is significant

[1:50:22] in the landfill uses reduce significantly. You might find that the user taxpayer might have

[1:50:31] a reduced fee because the compost program has been so successful at 20 miles. That's

[1:50:37] I thought and thank you for your effort on this.

[1:50:43] It's one last point.

[1:50:46] I didn't say great job.

[1:50:47] This phenomenal work, the three of you have done and appreciate all you put into this.

[1:50:54] And it's an important program for all the right reasons.

[1:50:57] You know, the space of the landfill, the product that is created from it, the reduction in methane gas.

[1:51:05] I certainly am concerned about costs and so the savings from the landfill, it's important

[1:51:12] to see that transition.

[1:51:13] I like seeing incentives that reduce people's costs when they put out less trash, which

[1:51:20] certainly makes sense to vital components of this program for me, our course, the waiver,

[1:51:26] which you would move forward.

[1:51:27] So if someone is already composting on their property, they could be excluded from the program

[1:51:33] and the fee associated, and then also the product itself,

[1:51:38] making that free for all of our residential citizens,

[1:51:42] so that they see a true benefit and make a backup

[1:51:45] to truck and pick some up and put it in their yard.

[1:51:47] So, thanks, and great work.

[1:51:49] Thank you.

[1:51:50] Ms. Mayor, I just want to say two.

[1:51:52] I know that we'll have the hearing on fees later.

[1:51:54] I'm just a couple of thoughts.

[1:51:57] I think this is a great program.

[1:51:59] And for us to make it happen, I think that it's important

[1:52:02] that we just move forward with it all at once.

[1:52:06] We saw youth go up and down with recycling, with glass.

[1:52:11] And we have heard from citizens, you've been here even longer.

[1:52:16] But since I've gotten here, it's one of the most regular things

[1:52:18] that I hear from people is, why isn't Boise?

[1:52:21] Why doesn't Boise have a curbside composing program?

[1:52:25] I would love, once we said this once we started,

[1:52:29] to actually have a report and interactive report either online or in our bills over time that shows.

[1:52:37] And what we're saving, because really citizens are shareholders in this.

[1:52:42] And if we over time are reducing 45% of the waste that goes into the landfill,

[1:52:47] that means that we're saving right now the $5 rebate and we can explain that.

[1:52:52] But I expect over time we also save money related to not having to move and create a new landfill.

[1:52:57] And we might find that we have more income from compost.

[1:53:01] We can show that, but to explain to our citizens how all of this works together is part

[1:53:07] of an education process that I think will help us start to determine how to get at reducing

[1:53:14] waste stream and incentivizing and rebating reduced waste stream moving forward.

[1:53:26] I won't repeat what everyone else has had good job, but I think Councilmember McLean really

[1:53:32] gets to this issue, which is we need to make these things make economic sense for people.

[1:53:39] And even people sometimes really want to do something, won't often do it if it doesn't

[1:53:46] make economic sense to them, but when they understand the economics of it, they become much

[1:53:52] more likely to participate and be loyal to it, so I think really our job here is to make

[1:53:59] sure that we show that triple bottom line in this case, the economic bottom line in a

[1:54:05] really transparent way.

[1:54:08] Thank you, Mayor.

[1:54:09] You know, I had one other question before that we got everybody here that I think I know

[1:54:16] the answer, but one of my concerns, and as I've looked at research these issues and especially

[1:54:23] countries that have gone to a zero waste, it's almost always and correct me if I'm wrong

[1:54:30] that they use some type of incineration that produces power, they have almost no emissions

[1:54:37] or whatever the low emissions, and that's one of the ways they attain it.

[1:54:43] I assume the green waste can't be sinnerated in that way, but one of my concerns is always

[1:54:49] of ours, the recyclables, the marqueness, volatile to say the least, where I think what

[1:54:59] they've done to hedge that, and to go to zero waste is this. No, or lower emissions

[1:55:06] incineration. Can you just give me a kind of, what's the state of things out there when it comes

[1:55:15] to that, whether green waste figures in there or not?

[1:55:17] Sure, Mr. Mayor.

[1:55:18] And I could start maybe Catherine can provide more detail information, but certainly as

[1:55:22] a city, one of the things broadly we're looking at is we have kind of all these waste

[1:55:26] streams that we generate as a city and how do we beneficially reuse that whether it's

[1:55:30] wastewater and the methane and that we're producing there and then our waste stream analysis

[1:55:34] was solid waste.

[1:55:35] So broadly we're trying to develop kind of umbrella programs on energy on how do we get the

[1:55:42] zero waste?

[1:55:43] How do we get to maybe a carbon neutral see those types of discussions we've already

[1:55:47] started. So, broadly we're looking at that regarding how we pivot on that specific to this issue,

[1:55:54] maybe Catherine, if you have any more detailed information, there's certainly this

[1:55:58] base is moving quickly, very quickly. And so, there's a power piece to this that we can

[1:56:03] certainly investigate further as we move along.

[1:56:06] Mr. Mayor, one of the things that we've talked about is on the, and I'm surprised to know

[1:56:11] on the commercial side, what about food waste and yard waste from the commercial generators?

[1:56:17] And one of the things that we have in the back of our mind and planning for is to take commercial food waste in particular,

[1:56:24] restaurants, grocery stores, institutions, and be able to use those to beneficially create energy.

[1:56:31] Particularly through the wastewater treatment plan in anaerobic digestion.

[1:56:34] So that's kind of out there on the horizon for those folks.

[1:56:36] Another thing that we've talked about from a zero waste sort of perspective that Republic is really stepping up to the plate and helping us with this future thinking is construction and demolition debris is another huge part of our waste stream here.

[1:56:51] And is there an opportunity to beneficially reuse or divert those materials and what kind of facility and infrastructure would we have to have in place to provide that opportunity to reuse those materials and to divert them at the lowest cost possible.

[1:57:04] because we want to make sure that the system is economically efficient as well.

[1:57:09] So, having an opportunity, maybe in the next year, two or three or four,

[1:57:13] of being able to divert some of those construction and demolition materials for reuse.

[1:57:18] And, and build the industries and the businesses that can take those materials and reuse them locally,

[1:57:23] like we have with our glass. I mean, we're really blessed that we can take the glass

[1:57:28] because we have a local partner that can make a product and make money off of that glass.

[1:57:33] It's not a lot of money, but at least it's making a little bit of money locally off of our

[1:57:37] glass.

[1:57:38] So that's some of the other opportunities that we know are kind of the next phase after

[1:57:43] organics.

[1:57:44] Organics obviously represent the largest volume room material that we could remove from

[1:57:48] that waste from immediately.

[1:57:50] Now, the curb it plan originally, the cell waste plan originally actually included that

[1:57:55] as a long term goal getting the yard waste out of there.

[1:57:58] And Mr. Mayor, one of the last things I wanted to comment on was the green waste.

[1:58:01] The city of Spokane has a waste of energy, facility.

[1:58:05] Their TIPP is $99 a ton, and they have to get all of the green waste out of that material

[1:58:11] before it goes in the incinerator, because if they didn't, it brings the temperature of

[1:58:15] the incinerator down, it is less efficient, and we're costly to operate.

[1:58:19] So they have a separate green waste program that they actually charge that additional fee

[1:58:23] for.

[1:58:23] And it's a seasonal fee.

[1:58:25] In the winter months it's a lower fee, because they collect less and more kitchen scraps

[1:58:29] and in the summertime, it's all of their yard waste.

[1:58:32] So that's how those communities are doing it because those systems are very expensive to operate

[1:58:36] and they have to be able to divert those multiple wasteings in different ways.

[1:58:41] Mr. Rader, on the food waste piece, Catherine mentioned, is certainly an idea that we're

[1:58:45] going to be pushing out in the future right now. We're just trying to focus on the curb center

[1:58:49] as a residential first, and then at some point be able to pivot to the commercial side.

[1:58:54] And then as far as the incineration answer to your question directly, we have really looked

[1:58:57] that too closely, we can certainly do some more research and figure out where that space is

[1:59:02] moving.

[1:59:04] It's an interesting question for us because of our cheap power, generally speaking that

[1:59:07] we did a lot of times financially, those solutions are really difficult to make pencil.

[1:59:11] I don't know what I thought the answer was,

[1:59:15] but it concerns me because it costs more

[1:59:19] to collect it sometimes than you get from whatever the commodity is.

[1:59:25] And then you read these, I don't think they're applicable to us,

[1:59:30] but these horror stories that they're, you know,

[1:59:34] barging it around, trying to find a place for it,

[1:59:38] or that you're taking it, you know, farther,

[1:59:42] and storing it rather than recycling it.

[1:59:46] So I just wonder, I think, given my hands with these,

[1:59:49] which is often times the answer here, with the power rates as low as they are,

[1:59:53] You can't get to a model that works in that way and that makes sense to me just keep an eye on that

[2:00:00] It was a time we talked about this, so we had the latest and greatest coming into the office to say, you know, this is the new cold fusion, and we're going to have power from here, real soon. And obviously we've seen where that ends, and we've been right to be suspect, but just to keep an eye on that for us and report how that's going. The other question just before we all close is the water usage for the compost, is that,

[2:00:31] You know, you're always faced with a much energy, does it cost and other substances

[2:00:39] and whether that's a net gain, you know, you always have those naseres or the equations

[2:00:44] that say, well, actually you're taking more energy than you're saving or you're those kinds

[2:00:50] of equations, the water usage and compost is that relatively reasonable, I guess.

[2:00:57] Mr. Mayor, we think so, and that's one of the reasons we located at the Twain Mile

[2:01:01] South Farm.

[2:01:01] We have the water right down there.

[2:01:04] That water gets used on the site already, and it's available, so as far as the amount

[2:01:10] of water after we went in the average.

[2:01:12] We can get more detailed information on the actual amount of water.

[2:01:15] It will take a little more water in our air climate, certainly.

[2:01:18] We went out to the Portland Corballester Outer Facility.

[2:01:21] They didn't need a whole lot of water.

[2:01:23] In fact, the day we were there was just a downpour.

[2:01:25] But that's something that we will definitely have to augment our composting facility with given our climate.

[2:01:30] We'll get back to you on that.

[2:01:33] We're just one quick request.

[2:01:35] Can you send us the slide that you showed?

[2:01:37] Because I think the most telling thing and all of this is the comparison of costs,

[2:01:44] trash service for all the cities and the value that this really does represent.

[2:01:49] And so I think it'd be helpful to us and respond to how that information.

[2:01:53] We'll do that.

[2:01:55] Yes.

[2:01:56] And Katherine, I appreciate you mentioning looking at additional opportunities going forward.

[2:02:01] I do want to encourage you to, and I know you well.

[2:02:05] But tie those in with some of the great things that may already be happening.

[2:02:10] Like wood shipping at the landfill, of course, that's a great product program.

[2:02:16] And we wouldn't want to take away from that.

[2:02:19] Ms. Mayor, I'm sorry. I have one more question.

[2:02:25] The, because when we do rates, this, when we do rate changes this week, this summer, it'll

[2:02:31] be a whole bunch of rates. So I'm just on this. So we're getting the total cost of the program

[2:02:36] is 840 per household, but we're giving a $5 rebate based on what we save, see if you're about

[2:02:44] to correct me. Okay, so if we're getting a $5 rebate because we save $5, but it costs 840. Does that

[2:02:52] that regardless, the rates would have to go up. What is that? $1.60? To cover the growing costs of

[2:03:02] service?

[2:03:07] Do the math or my head not following the dollar $1.60 or maybe it's not. But so, you know, they're

[2:03:13] going up $3.40. Yes, but if we didn't do this morning, I'll take it offline because I'm just wondering

[2:03:21] if there's actually the difference between what rates would really end up next year if we didn't do this.

[2:03:26] We're assuming they'd say the same, but it sounds like it would cost more regardless

[2:03:33] because there's a cost of putting the things in the lentil.

[2:03:36] But as you've got that afterwards, and then we can figure out if there's the actual change

[2:03:42] theory would be $1.85 or something.

[2:03:44] We just have to ask this, I assume, besides the spoken situation, that's, so there's really no such thing as putting your composted green waste in your recycling,

[2:04:08] but non-sort.

[2:04:10] I just, I'm so thankful for the life that you've given me and that's not standing out there in the morning sorting between the recyclables.

[2:04:19] I'm about to head back into sort land, right? There's no alternative.

[2:04:26] I mean, just going to have to make it in your home or at the receptacle, right?

[2:04:34] I'm Mr. Mayor. I did fail to mention that we're going to make available to customers and inside bins, so you could do it right there.

[2:04:42] Your kitchen sink and hollow right out to your company.

[2:04:46] They'll be a thief, but it'll be a good one.

[2:04:48] No, I'll live just wondering what's coming.

[2:04:52] It'll be alright.

[2:04:53] It would be very hard to separate out grass clippings from all the grass to your recycling.

[2:04:58] Just visualize.

[2:05:00] That would be a...

[2:05:01] No, I understand it.

[2:05:03] So we really have to keep a bar.

[2:05:05] Our friends at Republic are so cutting edge that maybe they've gotten there.

[2:05:14] All right.

[2:05:15] We're going to leave it there, I think.

[2:05:17] Okay.

[2:05:17] Thank you very much.

[2:05:20] Thank you.

[2:05:21] Mr. Mayor.

[2:05:23] I move.

[2:05:24] We're going to executive session.

[2:05:26] Personnel, land acquisition records.

[2:05:28] Exam from public disclosure, pending probable litigation.

[2:05:31] and labor contract, Idaho code 74206-1BCDFNJ.

[2:05:38] Rokal.

[2:05:39] Sorry, I think.

[2:05:39] Hansen.

[2:05:41] Gordon.

[2:05:42] Yes.

[2:05:42] Ludwig.

[2:05:43] Yes.

[2:05:44] Montana.