[0:02] Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. It is 5:30

[0:06] » and I will call our work session to order. So, members of the public are

[0:12] always welcome to attend in person and we enjoy seeing all of you here.

[0:17] Welcome. Um, and the public can also choose to watch our meetings on at

[0:24] burnsvillemn.gov/meings /meings or Comcast channel 16 or 859.

[0:30] The public can also participate through Zoom uh by joining us at zoom. us/join

[0:37] and more information is available on our meeting web page and in the council

[0:42] agenda packet. Our work sessions are um informal and we go directly to the items

[0:50] that's on the agenda. So the first item on the agenda is the Burnsville Festival

[0:56] and Fire Security and Chief Gentleman is presenting. The floor is yours.

[1:03] » Good evening, Madame Mayor, members of the council. Thanks for having us. Uh

[1:06] this presentation is going to be split in a couple of pieces. Um so we'll talk

[1:10] first about kind of uh festival security and then we'll turn it over to the

[1:14] members of the festival board that are here to talk about um the financial uh

[1:19] piece and and requests that they have. So, uh, that's kind of where we're at.

[1:22] Just as a quick reminder, uh, is the council, uh, the council requested us to

[1:29] come back with additional information based on the request of the festival,

[1:32] um, with their financials and [snorts] about a little more information on how

[1:37] we come up with what we do for uh, the festival security. So, I'm going to turn

[1:41] it over to Chief Smith uh, to cover the first couple of slides and then I'll

[1:45] round it out uh, talking a little bit more specifically about the festival.

[1:48] » Okay. All right, Madame Mayor Smith. >> Yes. Right.

[1:52] » You're recognized. >> Well, thank you. Uh, Madame Mayor,

[1:56] members of the council, I'm going to start with the sort of how we looked at

[1:59] the risk assessment. Uh, we we look at this nationally, regionally, and then

[2:03] we're going to talk about some of our local trends, uh, best practices, our

[2:08] own experiences here in Burnsville, criminal intelligence that we gather

[2:12] while we look at these community events. And at the end of the day, this is all

[2:16] about community and staff safety. That's that's the goal of everything we're

[2:19] talking about. Unfortunately, over the years, different

[2:24] types of events that we've been concerned about have ultimately led to

[2:27] violence, which is what has us concerned as we move forward into

[2:32] this community event.

[2:37] So, nationally, [snorts]

[2:40] there's an average of over 20 active shooter incidents per year.

[2:43] [cough and clears throat] Over half of those are in open spaces which would be

[2:46] similar to the Burnsville Festival and Fire Muster. Again, that's what we

[2:50] that's why we have a concern over this particular type of event. And the

[2:56] incidents of community events have become more common.

[2:59] We're going to go more nationally here. Not all of these were firearm related,

[3:04] but to show sort of paint the picture of in Waca, you may recall in 2021 there

[3:09] was the parade where someone drove a car through and there were five killed and

[3:14] 40 injured. 2024 in Kansas City was the Super Bowl parade. That was a shooting

[3:20] incident that left one killed and 22 injured. And then more recently in New

[3:24] Orleans was 14 killed and 57 injured last year.

[3:29] more regionally. Last summer in June in Minneapolis, there was a shooting up at

[3:33] Boom Island. Also [snorts] in Minneapolis, in August of 2025, one

[3:38] killed and seven injured on Third Avenue.

[3:42] Just this past month, there were four people shot in Martin Luther King Park

[3:46] in Minneapolis. Metro State's graduation had multiple

[3:49] shots fired up in St. Paul. And just I believe it was two weeks ago now at the

[3:54] Eid celebration in Shakabe, there was a homicide. I will also add we are on an

[4:00] email list that we get emails daily and unfortunately that there's seems there's

[4:05] a headline that there is another incident I think was it Tulsa had a

[4:08] shooting >> in the last couple days. So

[4:12] » um unfortunate things that are happening out out in the community regionally. We

[4:18] know that we have rival gangs in the metro area and that includes here in

[4:22] Burnsville and other communities are also looking to increase their security

[4:27] profile at community events including graduations which of course we're in or

[4:31] just coming out of graduation season now. And we have had across the metro

[4:36] increased security presence and I can say that there have been some incidents

[4:41] where firearms have been located in close proximity to graduations here this

[4:45] year. Locally here in Burns, we've had our own

[4:51] incidents, right? In 2024, we had the shooting at Red Oak Park. In 2025, we

[4:56] had the shooting outside of graduation. A lot of this criminal activity is known

[5:00] to be tied to gangs. We've also heard of retaliation at threats, and we have

[5:07] located firearms at some of these funerals as well.

[5:13] Specific to the festival in FireMuster, in the last 5 years, we've had 130

[5:18] police related incidents. Uh there's been fights, assaults, drugs, most

[5:23] commonly related to young adults, um older children. In 2023, there was one

[5:29] particular incident where we had to call mutual aid from our neighboring

[5:32] agencies. And we have over the last two years

[5:36] gained even more criminal intelligence of from our analysts of gang

[5:42] at least showing up to the festival and fire mustard.

[5:47] Uh one question that had been asked was how does this compare to uh party on the

[5:51] plaza calls for service and we looked that up over the last several years.

[5:54] We've had 11 calls for service. They were actually just officers calling out

[6:00] as a community oriented policing or detail. So, we haven't actually had any

[6:05] actual police calls for service. Some of that may be related to time of day and

[6:10] just uh the activities that are happening there

[6:14] versus at the fire buster. >> Any on the international festival?

[6:18] » I don't have that information. We can certainly find that for you.

[6:24] » Gangs love arts and crafts. [laughter]

[6:30] Speaking specifically about our special events process within the city is police

[6:34] department and fire department review all special event permit applications

[6:37] and uh the festival and fire also [snorts] goes through that same process

[6:42] that all other special events do. Uh when we look at those we consider trends

[6:46] history again that criminal intelligence piece and the risk assessment to

[6:50] determine recommendations. uh we try the least invasive approaches

[6:54] for community safety factors to determine the the greater need

[6:57] [clears throat] and in the festival's case for a number of years we've had

[7:01] significant police presence on those grounds and really prior to implementing

[7:06] uh the screening at the at the gates we really have maximized

[7:11] the use of a our internal resources [cough] but b the approaches without any

[7:15] type of invasive uh screening tools is we've maximized all those tactics that

[7:20] we could and we still seeing those those criminal activity calls um on the

[7:26] festival and fire muster grounds. Uh the festival board as well as city

[7:32] staff agreed and the festival board adopted that they wanted a

[7:35] family-friendly environment and to provide for the safety and security of

[7:38] all participants. Those were their their two goals. Uh staff recommended to the

[7:43] festival board last year to fence and uh have private security control access to

[7:48] the events to the event. um [cough and clears throat] eliminate the

[7:52] carnival, replace it with a family-friendly area, implement a

[7:55] non-supervised minor policy after 7 p.m., ban weapons and face coverings,

[7:59] and end the parade route at Civic Center. Uh the festival board did adopt

[8:04] the majority of those. Uh they adopted the fencing and private security to

[8:09] control access. Uh they kept the carnival but shut it down at 8, did a

[8:13] non-supervised minor policy at 8 p.m., banned weapons and face coverings, and

[8:17] then ended the parade route at Civic Center. So last year was was the first

[8:21] year of that enhanced security presence. Uh from a staff perspective, we did see

[8:28] a decrease in criminal activity, fights and assaults. Um we were also able to

[8:33] enforce uh those that were trespassed. Uh they weren't able to return. One of

[8:37] the recurring problems we had is with an more open environment is we weren't able

[8:41] to necessarily keep those folks out. It was so porous they could come back in

[8:45] pretty easily. Um, [clears throat] attendees also commented they

[8:48] appreciated the security, but the long lines were definitely a concern.

[8:54] [cough] As far as considerations, um, is, uh, if

[9:00] the council were to direct staff, uh, to fund the additional security, uh,

[9:05] funding options would include the economic development fund or the general

[9:08] fund for that. Um should the council direct staff to do this uh in

[9:14] consultation with the attorney's office? We believe that the contract should be

[9:17] managed by staff as a matter of operations and maintain the appropriate

[9:20] public purpose expenditure. So if if the council directs staff to to fund this,

[9:26] we believe that the the agreement for the private security and screening

[9:30] should be held by the city versus making it a donation to the festival nonprofit.

[9:36] So So that's what I have with that. I'm

[9:39] going to turn it over to uh I know many from the festival are here to present

[9:43] the request and talk about their financials.

[9:45] » Okay. Um council member >> question what what was the reason for

[9:49] not adopting all the recommendations of staff

[9:53] » for public safety for the festival? >> Uh madame mayor council August that was

[9:57] just what we presented. There was discussion on it and um that's what they

[10:03] amongst the discussion with the board that's what they came up with. So they

[10:07] were >> right. Okay. Um the members of the board

[10:11] can uh come to the table please there. >> Yeah.

[10:15] » And um

[10:21] and tell us what you're requesting because it appears that you're

[10:25] requesting money that is not budgeted [cough]

[10:28] for us. >> Sure.

[10:30] » Madame Mayor, council members. >> So that people know who's speaking from

[10:34] our public. >> Sure.

[10:35] » Yeah. So your name um and that you're the me on the member of the Burnsville

[10:42] Festival and FireMaster board. >> Sure. Uh I'm Jason Low. I'm an executive

[10:47] uh vice chair on the Burnsville Festival uh board here. I've got a couple other

[10:52] members here. >> John Hamilton

[10:55] and I'm on the board. >> I'm Adam Duckado, the treasurer for the

[10:59] festival. >> Well, welcome all of you. Okay. Who's

[11:03] speaking on behalf of the board? um >> the executive vice president.

[11:07] » Yes, I will. Yep. Please. >> So, I know from the last request it was

[11:10] to bring some of the financials to the table to you guys to kind of get a

[11:13] better understanding of how we've been performing over the last several years.

[11:16] Um Adam's going to speak a little bit to that. And then the next piece is really

[11:20] kind of around what the policy says when it comes to these legacy events and kind

[11:23] of how things are are funded and maintained like that. I do want to

[11:26] revisit that a little bit. That kind of sets the basis for kind of why we're

[11:30] here and to talk about like is the policy in line with what we'd want? Is

[11:33] there anything different we may want to do with it as it pertains to this?

[11:38] So, with that, uh, turn over to Adam for the financials.

[11:41] » I believe included in your packet is the balance sheet and P&L history of our

[11:47] festival. Um, we are a nonprofit organization that

[11:52] tries to fund and spend money according to what

[11:57] our mission is to provide a good and safe festival for the community.

[12:01] uh you can see that our our bottom line P&L es and flows uh due to various

[12:07] factors um but uh it is noted in the um on the financials that we are at cash

[12:14] basis so the timing of things I will note that you will see in the fiscal

[12:20] year August or April 1st to March 31st of 26 there's a line item for security

[12:26] for almost $14,000 that is for the prior year calendar year

[12:33] 25 event just so everybody's aware to [clears throat] clear that up. Um that

[12:38] that's a piece that was unexpected as requested uh by the city that we felt it

[12:45] was necessary to take on that expense for the safety of the community and all

[12:51] members and that's the primary reason why we're here. Uh the other uh

[12:57] significant line item relevant to this conversation is the entertainment line

[13:01] item uh where we bring on entertainment, staging, audio,

[13:08] uh fireworks, things like that to make it um an enjoyable experience for all

[13:14] and part of that is um >> funded or reimbured by the city.

[13:19] Um, since we have that background, [cough] can it be put up so it we're

[13:24] transparent with all of this with what we're talking about?

[13:29] » Yeah.

[13:36] [clears throat] Because you're talking to people who are

[13:41] elected to be the stewards of the public's money.

[13:45] That's our role and it's our fiduciary responsibility.

[13:50] So, if we're doing this uh and you're asking for the public's

[13:55] money and you're presenting your your financials, I think the public needs to

[14:01] see it. >> They see our budget.

[14:03] » It's on our website and we talk to them and we everything we do is transparent.

[14:08] So, I want this to be that as well. We understand as a nonprofit our Yeah.

[14:13] » financials are >> But you're asking money from the people,

[14:16] » correct? >> Yeah.

[14:18] » Yes. >> So that's where that sticky point comes

[14:21] in. >> Okay.

[14:24] » One of my major roles with the festival is the fundraising component

[14:31] which and we are supported supported heavily by the business community.

[14:38] So, uh, fundraising is not necessarily a very glamorous or easy task, but we

[14:47] understand that our responsibility is not not only to put on a festival where

[14:53] everyone feels welcome. But now you add on to that a festival where everyone

[15:01] feels safe, thus the extra security. And you know, heaven forbid that

[15:08] something happens at the festival, not only is it going to reflect poorly on

[15:14] the festival itself, but people don't draw a distinction between festival and

[15:21] city. They they view it all as in one bucket.

[15:26] So if something does go wrong, does go bad, it's also reflective upon the city.

[15:32] And we are going to do everything possible to keep our guests, our

[15:36] vendors, and our volunteers safe. That's our responsibility.

[15:42] And you know, whether this council proves it or not, we're going to have

[15:46] the security. And the impact on that is it leaves less for us to give back to

[15:54] 360 communities and the other nonprofits that we support.

[16:02] Okay. So, in your statement of activity,

[16:07] » yes, that would be the next page. Yes. >> Yeah.

[16:10] » Here's where you can see our detail. Well,

[16:12] » Adam, you want to walk us through because

[16:19] » as I was speaking to before, you can see in alpha order, the security line item,

[16:24] as I was speaking before, is towards the bottom of what you're seeing right

[16:28] there. And

[16:31] um we do have the support of the city in um relation to some of the costs of our

[16:37] entertainment. You can see uh probably 8 to 10 items above that. uh the

[16:43] entertainment cost. Uh we are in partnership with the city and in the

[16:50] previous year we received reimbursement uh to the tune of $50,000 from the city

[16:59] in in support of our festival. And if you look at a comparative numbers

[17:05] from 23 at 48,000 to 24 to 55 and then the drop to 4,900

[17:12] uh that is offset by the 50,000 from the city. Um and then for 26

[17:19] the reimbursement from the city is included

[17:23] in there. We, for transparency sake, we've prepaid $14,000 for fireworks for

[17:29] our upcoming 26 event. That's why that looks high. But those are the

[17:34] significant items as to the discussion today.

[17:41] If there's any other questions, I can answer to the best of my ability.

[17:44] » Did you say fireworks were included in your entertainment budget?

[17:47] » Correct. >> Okay.

[17:49] And that that reflects the 50,000 the city donated to the muster.

[17:56] » Correct. >> So 24,000

[17:59] that's so 10,000 of that is fireworks

[18:05] » for the 2600 year. 14,000 of that is for fireworks

[18:10] for the 26th [clears throat] event that has not yet happened.

[18:14] » Just for comparability. So is the actual budget like 74 then and you're assuming

[18:19] the 50,000 off of the 24? >> These are the actual give you the 24.

[18:23] » These are the actuals. It's not necessarily the budgeted but where I'm

[18:28] going with that is the amount that we spent in the fiscal year March 31st of

[18:33] 26 for the 25 event or related primarily to the 25

[18:39] event is actually 10,000 not 24,000. 14 of it is related to the 26 event

[18:45] upcoming. We prepaid that. >> So you got two two years in there. Then

[18:48] » there's multiple. Yes. It it's an overlap of each year just for

[18:52] comparative. >> What's your fiscal year then?

[18:54] » March 31st. >> Okay.

[18:57] » So this brings you to the end of your fiscal year then.

[19:00] » Correct. >> All right.

[19:04] » And what are you renting for60,000? Since you're in a park in Civic Center

[19:11] Park, >> what are your rental your rental

[19:14] expenses is 60,981. >> I don't know if Jason knows specifically

[19:19] more in detail, but there is. >> So that's all the stuff we get from

[19:23] crown. >> If I can ask a question, I'm sorry to

[19:25] interrupt. I do not care to go through your budget line item by line item.

[19:30] The city does not own this project. This is not ours to go through the

[19:36] budget line item by line item. The only line item that we are concerned with to

[19:41] talk about here tonight is about security.

[19:45] » And I would hope that we can get back into this because otherwise we're going

[19:49] to be here for several more hours. So, could we rope it back to the security

[19:54] cost and focus in on that, please? >> Uh, I will be happy to do that. I was

[20:00] just looking because they're asking for money.

[20:03] And uh if that's the case you can John you said you can raise the money for

[20:08] that. >> We are trying to

[20:12] » it's a challenge. So right now >> we are behind target

[20:17] » and you >> have a lot of expenses and what what we

[20:20] do here is you know if uh you're you're asking for more money what can

[20:28] you cut so that you can um provide the finances for your

[20:34] » that is not the conversation we are having. The conversation is not about

[20:38] what can you cut from your budget. The conversation is what are their security

[20:42] costs? If then is council going to fund that or not fund that? That is the

[20:46] discussion. >> Okay. If that's the case then yes.

[20:51] » All due respect council member Schulz. This this festival gets $50,000 in cash

[20:56] of taxpayer money plus another $118,000 in services. And I think it's uh our

[21:02] duty to find out if that money is being spent properly. And so asking those

[21:06] questions like I asked about the entertainment, I think that's that's

[21:09] where the money goes. We need to know that. We have we have a [laughter]

[21:12] » that really is not the discussion here. Oh, you that's

[21:16] » you want to have a wider discussion about if they should get a dime from

[21:20] this city is not the discussion council and if they should have to go over their

[21:24] budget with council and ask for later that is not this discussion this

[21:31] discussion is I am going to take this back and okay and and we're not going to

[21:36] have

[21:39] » a match people yelling at each other. So if the if we want to go to are we going

[21:46] to fund this then that's a very easy conversation

[21:51] » do we want to fund now that because we are already funding it at 50,000 and

[21:57] then the overhead on all of this for this festival is over a h 100,000 or and

[22:04] more >> 168,000

[22:07] » 168,000 in costs that the the people of Burnsville is paying for and you're

[22:12] asking asking for more. So members of the council,

[22:16] » we're not going to have the discussion and the answer is no.

[22:18] » We can have a discussion about the security and in fact I believe they

[22:21] would like to present on the security and I would like to hear that portion of

[22:26] it. We were able to hear that from our police and that was very helpful to

[22:29] hear. I would like to hear specifically about the security from the festival and

[22:35] I believe you have some some information that would be helpful to us in our

[22:39] discussion. you have information that's going to be helpful for us to either

[22:44] decide to fund it or not fund it. It wasn't in a budget.

[22:48] » Understood. Yeah. No, I understand. I I mean the chiefs did a fine job of kind

[22:52] of why we did it last year to really give the the proof of why this is

[22:55] necessary. Um we obviously funded it through the festival last year because

[22:59] we needed to and and it would definitely worked. Uh part of this is going back to

[23:03] the policy to say how does this fit within it or is this going to be a

[23:06] separate line item kind of to BJ's point of do we want to uh have the city then

[23:11] take this on versus doing an a third party

[23:20] » it's your festival you're a 501c3 you're responsible for the security of

[23:25] your festival >> do do we have information on the legacy

[23:30] policy Could we get a refresher on the legacy policy and what it is as regards

[23:35] to regards to funding these festivals and

[23:40] » Yeah, it's the policy is very clear. Bethany, can you pull it up please?

[23:47] » Because it's very it's straightforward. >> We fund the festival at 50,000. ask

[23:53] Jason to >> we reimburse you for 50,000 but to have

[23:57] public safety public works and parks all of that personnel is over and above the

[24:04] 50,000

[24:08] » Jason what is your understanding of the legacy policy as it relates to your

[24:14] festival while they're pulling that up for us?

[24:16] » Yeah, there's really two sections within here. one is definitely addressing the

[24:19] 50,000 or not to exceed 50,000, right, for entertainment, for the the fireworks

[24:23] and the bands and stuff like that. There is another section, a paragraph in there

[24:27] should be on page one that talks about for all legacy events, the city will

[24:32] appoint a staff liaison. Um, but then it talks about the city will also

[24:36] contribute to the cost of basic city services that'll support these police,

[24:40] fire, public works, parks, equipment, labor, supplies, all of those things. So

[24:45] this does fall under the umbrella of of police and that's why we're we're coming

[24:49] to the table of asking like this is what the policy says whether it's right or

[24:52] wrong. Um but this is a security matter for us that we know that we've got a

[24:56] very good partnership with fire and police on this that have supported us

[24:59] over the years. So, it's really that paragraph that really is the the point

[25:04] of discussion.

[25:12] » Is the word contribute? >> Excuse me.

[25:16] » Is the word contribute? >> Yes.

[25:18] » Okay. Not fully funded. >> No, it says contribute. Yeah. It's

[25:22] ambiguous, right? It's a little open-ended.

[25:24] » And we are contributing $118,000 in services. That's already perfect

[25:29] festable to this point.

[25:33] » And you want more? >> Actually, we're just we're coming here

[25:37] for clarity really as well as hey, you know, we've got these added costs. We'd

[25:40] like to bring it to the council to talk about it and how it applies to the the

[25:44] policies and is there what what does that look like going forward?

[25:51] » Okay. Members of the council.

[26:10] Well, I'll go first so I don't have to go last. Um,

[26:16] this is the people's money, but I don't know if there's some

[26:22] misunderstanding of what this is for. This is a community event for

[26:30] people

[26:33] um, of Burnsville and the surrounding area.

[26:38] This festival has been around for over 40 years. Um,

[26:44] obviously these are things that they didn't really probably even think about

[26:48] in the 1980s when they were doing this.

[26:55] And it would be a shame to see um this festival go away

[27:03] because in my mind then that means that the bad guys kind of win that we that it

[27:09] would have if have folded to the intimidation of crime and gang

[27:14] activity and so on because that's really why we're here.

[27:22] Um, I've been in John's role as a fundraiser

[27:26] for this festival [cough and clears throat]

[27:27] years ago. Um, and it was hard then and it's probably even harder today with the

[27:33] way the economy is. Um, the challenges today are much different

[27:39] than they were in 2017. And so to just say go find more money,

[27:45] go fund raise more, I think kind of oversimplifies the uphill task of of

[27:51] what that is. Um, you know, as somebody that operates a business in Burnsville,

[27:57] I get asked for money very very frequently

[28:02] from different community groups. Um,

[28:06] and so there's a usually a line of people asking for money, and the bigger

[28:11] you are, probably the longer that line is. Um, and so I don't know what the

[28:16] tolerance is for some of our larger businesses in town to just pony up more

[28:22] money. Um,

[28:27] so I do want to be sympathetic to the fact

[28:32] that the city does spend quite a bit of money on this festival,

[28:38] but if we're going to contrast it to the other festivals, it's kind of in a

[28:42] different category. It's a different type of festival. Um, it draws

[28:49] a uniquely larger

[28:53] type of people. Um,

[28:57] from kids to, you know, the people that are still hanging around at 11 that are

[29:03] there to drink beer and play bingo. And there's just a wide swath of of people.

[29:09] Um, so I'm maybe rambling now, but

[29:14] I'm not totally opposed to at least doing this on a one-year trial and

[29:18] [cough] see how it goes. And then maybe we revisit this in a year

[29:24] and see if John can make headway in finding a security sponsor.

[29:29] I don't know. >> Yeah. The other thing is we've also made

[29:35] on the suggestion of public safety, we've made we've shifted, we've pivoted.

[29:41] We took out the carnival. We've gone with a family fun zone with a

[29:48] ninja course and more inflatables. We've got the area fenced in. So, we are

[29:54] trying to do things as it relates to cost containments and crowd control. So,

[30:01] we aren't running the festival as normal and saying, "Okay, now we need more

[30:06] money." We've made adjustments to try to enhance the safety and security

[30:13] of the festival. And uh there are people who may not be happy with some of the

[30:20] changes we've made, but we're doing it for the betterment of the community, of

[30:26] our guests, of our vendors, of our volunteers.

[30:31] So, we are doing everything we can as relates to cost containments to and to

[30:38] create a safe environment.

[30:42] » Well, and that's going to make a big difference with the carnival gun. I

[30:45] mean, I know speaking for myself, that's the one thing my kids look forward to

[30:48] more than anything is the carnival. >> And I'm hearing it from my son

[30:54] constantly of no carnival this year and try to explain that we're doing we took

[31:00] out the carnival from a public safety perspective.

[31:06] So, we'll see what happens.

[31:11] » Okay. Anyone else? Cara, >> I I I am happy about zero of this as

[31:19] probably everyone can tell. Um, I

[31:30] I think if I think if the city is going to put conditions on and I realize that

[31:36] they were meant as suggestions, but it's it's never a suggestion when you're told

[31:42] you need to beef up your security that it stops being a suggestion. Then um

[31:48] when the city starts to put those parameters

[31:54] um on these festivals and on these organizations,

[31:59] there are also consequences not just to the

[32:02] organization, not just to our residents and visitors, but to the city and and

[32:10] how how our residents fund this as well. Um

[32:15] I'm amendable to this year. I'm amendable to this year

[32:22] helping with this and using the ensuing time to try to figure out a better

[32:27] solution because my concern is some of our other festivals are going to even

[32:33] though they're much smaller may start to see some of these parameters happening

[32:37] with them. Maybe not. I don't know. Um but then we're looking at multiple

[32:42] escalating costs which I am not interested in um

[32:49] so for for this year I'm interested in this but what I would like for council

[32:54] to take up is the ambiguous relation ambiguous language

[33:01] of the city will also contribute the cost of basic city services because that

[33:06] is the problem that we're having right now is we have

[33:11] vague language in our document on how to do this and

[33:16] that's that's why we're having this discussion because

[33:20] there was a suggestion of what we had to do cost rights but we do we don't have

[33:24] in the policy clear language of how to do that. So

[33:30] my suggestion to council like our work would be that we take this up and maybe

[33:37] maybe clean that language up and then it's then it's not a well what do we do?

[33:43] It's like we have clear-cut policies then. But maybe I'm alone in feeling

[33:48] that our policy in that section is vague or maybe we do want it to be vague to

[33:53] have latitude. I'm I'm open to that discussion as well.

[33:57] » Okay. Yes, Council Member Gustson. >> Um [clears throat] we're not talking

[34:02] about ending the festival funding. We're talking about $18,000.

[34:07] The rest of your funding is there. The services are there. the the festival has

[34:12] known since last year that you needed additional security. I would assume the

[34:16] board would have taken that up to make arrangements to make that happen without

[34:20] coming to the city for more money. And that's really what we're talking about

[34:23] here. And it's a you get a fair amount of money from us

[34:28] already and I and I think you've been you've you already had to do it last

[34:31] year so you knew it was coming. This is not a surprise to any of you and you

[34:34] should and I think your board before they voted to do this should have voted

[34:38] to make plans for adding the security because you're talking you're talking

[34:41] about private security here. You're not talking about adding more police

[34:44] officers and things like that. You're bringing you're bringing in machines the

[34:47] city doesn't own either. So I mean there are there are different things that are

[34:50] happening in that respect. And so it's it's your responsibility just like it is

[34:56] any any business out here like Buck Hill and that that does does uh concerts and

[35:02] that public service tells them the same thing. They have certain things they

[35:05] have to do to do these things and they do it. They have to pick up the cost and

[35:09] they figure it in doing and they plan accordingly according to what they have

[35:12] in their budget. And so for me it's an additional 18,000 at this point. No.

[35:20] » Okay. Council member Keely, I'm according to uh February 12, 2024 um

[35:28] legal council to us and this has to do with

[35:33] the city council conflict of interest limitations. So I think at this point

[35:39] you are the chair of an organization because the question was asked can a

[35:45] council member who serve on the board of an [clears throat] organization that

[35:48] would gain financial benefit from the council uh approval of an item uh bring

[35:53] the item to the council for discussion while uh abstaining from voting or

[35:58] discussing the item themselves. Uh the question was also put forward that can a

[36:03] council member who serves on the board of an organization that would gain

[36:07] financial benefit from the council uh approve of an item discuss and vote on

[36:12] the item. Both answers from the attorney is no and he cites state statute along

[36:19] with that. Uh and also um legal um

[36:30] um

[36:34] opinions on all of that. So on both of that, I'm not going to ask you to

[36:39] comment if you agree with that or >> I don't uh I have a comment to make. I

[36:43] will not be recusing myself from this vote because there is no conflict of

[36:47] interest in my opinion. >> Okay.

[36:49] » First, I serve on the Burnsville Festival strictly as a 100% unpaid

[36:53] volunteer, meaning I have no personal financial stake whatsoever in this

[36:58] decision. >> Second, the additional security was not

[37:01] requested by our board. It was recommended by the city's public safety

[37:06] representatives. Under the city's established legacy policy event, the

[37:10] city is responsible for public safety and public works costs for approved

[37:14] community legacy events. Buck Hill is not a legacy event because the

[37:19] Burnsville Festival is designated as a legacy event and by the by far the

[37:23] largest uh with the lowest cost per attendee uh funding compared to the only

[37:28] remaining festival, the international festival. Um, it aligns with our

[37:33] standard policy and my participation is entirely

[37:37] consistent with past practice. City council members who volunteer their time

[37:41] on boards or legacy festivals have not recused themselves 100% of the time when

[37:47] this kind of thing comes before us, including you, Madame Mayor, with the

[37:50] international festival. I think it's only fair given that no interest in the

[37:55] volunteer, no interest in the nonprofit either. You don't. Dan didn't in his uh

[38:02] legacy festival other than a desire to give our own personal time to help

[38:08] just like every other volunteer does for these community events.

[38:12] I will be voting on this. >> Okay.

[38:14] » And I will comment more if necessary, but I'm I'm good with what's been said.

[38:18] » Okay. Um I don't serve on the board of the International Festival, but I do

[38:22] help raise money for them. I uh but I don't come here and ask for money.

[38:29] Um, I voted against the uh the the the legacy um

[38:38] amount 50,000 to the Burnsville Festival and 10,000 to the International Festival

[38:45] and uh the arts and all that jazz was not was not in

[38:51] was not active anymore and I voted against that. So for me, because it is

[38:56] about the people's money, it is a 501c3 and it is a wonderful event for our

[39:04] community and I hope that it continues and that um

[39:10] there is money from the people. This is the people's money. It's not a

[39:18] bank account that comes out of the air somewhere. Mayor, we are very very aware

[39:25] that this is the people's money that we're asking for that is not lost on

[39:29] this board or the >> my partners up here and we will continue

[39:34] to work post festival during festival >> with public safety

[39:40] » on any adjustments that we need to make to make the festival

[39:46] safe and secure. But we do not take this request for granted and we had a lot of

[39:54] discussions about it. But it it's it's an expense that didn't exist

[40:01] three or four years ago. This is new and maybe the threat is maybe being a little

[40:06] bit greater, but we do take it that we are asking for the people's money and we

[40:11] will be proper guardians of that money.

[40:17] that you need to be proper guide guardians of the safety of the festival.

[40:22] Our public safety personnel have done an assessment risk and that even though

[40:29] things change in our in our society, in our country, things change, people make

[40:36] adjustments. So this is part of the festival's responsibility

[40:43] and it it's like uh anything else but the thing is

[40:49] this is not there is not an approval on a budget for

[40:54] this which means it has to have an amendment to the budget.

[40:59] » Understood. >> Yeah.

[41:01] And this is um

[41:05] for me I voted against it and I'm going to also do the same thing because for me

[41:11] it's statutoily our fiduciary responsibility is public

[41:17] safety. It's what our police and fire do each and every day to keep the community

[41:23] safe. P public works. Make sure that every infrastructure above and below the

[41:30] ground, all those assets, that's what the people are expecting us to take care

[41:35] of. Our 76 parks, that's what the people expect of us to take care of. That's

[41:42] what they're making their tax pay uh their taxes pay for. all of our um

[41:51] economic development and community development aspects

[41:56] » everything that we need to do >> call the question

[41:59] » okay I will call [laughter] the question we've heard that

[42:01] » yes and I think so the question is do we fund this but I want the people to

[42:07] understand where this is coming from so the question is called um do we want to

[42:14] fund the $18,000 that the festival is asking for. And

[42:19] with that is the uh recommendation from staff that it is

[42:26] if we're going to find the money for it because we don't know where the money is

[42:30] coming from. It's not budgeted. We're going to have to find that $18,000.

[42:38] So the question is, do we fund it? Then we have to come back with an amendment

[42:44] to the budget as to what then are we going to take away to fund the $18,000.

[42:51] So nobody wants the festival to go away, but

[42:56] there are some expenses that in putting on a festival like this that you have to

[43:03] then own. So the question is do we want to fund

[43:07] it? And with that is um Chief Jungman, your recommendation was that the city is

[43:17] um takes control of that contract with the security.

[43:22] » Madame Mayor, members of the council, staff would does not have a

[43:25] recommendation. staff would just say for consideration. There's I if the city's

[43:30] going to fund it, the best practice in this situation would be for the city to

[43:35] to execute the contract and pay for that directly. If if the city is funding it,

[43:42] » madam mayor, >> yes,

[43:44] » when someone calls to question, there is no more discussion and [cough] you have

[43:48] the thing. >> We have proceeded to lead the discussion

[43:51] that should not be taking place. >> I'm going to ask for the second time. I

[43:55] called the question. >> The question is called so who is there's

[43:59] a motion to uh fund it >> and there been a motion to fund it.

[44:03] » I I did not >> there might have been if I haven't heard

[44:06] a motion because the question the question isn't however you call the

[44:10] questioning chair of the meeting has not respected that and continued the

[44:14] dialogue. >> Don't you need a motion in a second to

[44:16] call the question? >> So the who is making the motion

[44:19] » the question stops discussion. >> Who is making the motion so that then

[44:22] the question can be called? >> I will make the motion. No,

[44:26] » I will make the motion. The motion that I will make, although this is not a

[44:30] formal vote because we are in a work session. So, this is a

[44:33] » we can vote formally in this out there. It's more televised,

[44:38] » but we still need to do the vote later to amend the budget. Correct.

[44:43] » That's correct. Different. >> Is that correct, city manager

[44:46] » or no? Yeah. Uh, Council Member Schultz, Madame Mayor, members of the council, it

[44:50] would be my recommendation, and this would be similar to what we've done in

[44:54] past legacy event conversations, that we would bring back a budget amendment to

[44:58] memorialize the council's direction from tonight's discussion.

[45:02] » Perfect. Thank you. Okay. So, the motion I will make is that we fund the $18,000

[45:08] for security for this legacy event for one year.

[45:15] Uh, and that is the motion that is on the table.

[45:20] I will need a second. >> Um, does that include that staff uh

[45:27] provide if if it's funded that it's staff that will execute the um contract

[45:33] » contract is currently executed. We'll cancel it and the city will take it

[45:36] over. >> Does that work? That will not create a

[45:39] problem with the contract. >> Not a problem.

[45:41] » Okay, I accept that amendment. >> Okay. And who

[45:45] » I'll second that. >> There's a motion in a second. All in

[45:47] favor, please say I. >> I.

[45:50] » Uh oppose say nay. >> Nay.

[45:52] » And so that this clerk have the division of the house.

[45:55] » I do, madam. >> Okay.

[45:58] But this isn't done because we have to find the money because we have to amend

[46:02] the budget. >> Half of it's covered by the art and all

[46:05] that jazz allocation of 10,000. That's not going to be used.

[46:08] » You haven't used it for years. >> For two years. Oh, then it's all

[46:12] covered. >> So it's not there. So it

[46:14] » just because it's not used doesn't mean that it it was budgeted.

[46:19] » Okay. Thank you very much. >> Thank you.

[46:22] » Thank you, mayor. Thank you, council, for listening to us.

[46:25] » Thank you.

[46:41] » Okay. The next item on the agenda is violent crime reduction unit.

[46:47] Um, presenting is uh, Chief Matt Smith. You're recognized and the floor is

[46:54] yours. >> All right. Thank you, Madame Mayor,

[46:56] members of the council. I am uh, going to talk about the Violent

[47:02] Crime Reduction Unit. Uh, the Minnesota State Bureau of Criminal Apprehension

[47:06] has had this unit running for the past three, three and a half years. It's a

[47:11] statewide task force that investigates violent crime, illegal firearms, and

[47:15] organized criminal activity, and it it really supports the city's

[47:21] broader violent crime reduction strategy. I think, as we've just been

[47:24] talking about, we are concerned about violent crime, and this is an

[47:28] opportunity for us to be part of a proactive unit. We know that violent

[47:34] crime and and criminals there there are no borders for that. And so this would

[47:39] allow us to bring an investigator to the BCA's task force and really again

[47:45] proactively get after some of this violent crime.

[47:49] Like I mentioned, the the VC crew, as they call it, was created

[47:52] [cough and clears throat] in 2023 [laughter] using state legislative

[47:54] funding. It's a multi- agency task force that combines local, county, and state

[48:00] law enforcement resources. And it would support regional investigations. And an

[48:04] added benefit is is information sharing. Our

[48:09] participation, if approved, would be we would assign one investigator full-time

[48:14] to the BCA's V crew. It's a three-year commitment through a joint powers

[48:19] agreement. And this investigator would support these regional investigations

[48:23] involving violent crime, narcotics, trafficking, homicide, and more.

[48:30] The benefits of this of joining this program, it strengthens Burnsville's

[48:34] ability to address violent crime. uh should we have an incident here in

[48:38] Burnsville, this unit would be able to dispatch investigators out to assist us

[48:43] also. At the same time, our investigator would also take on Burnsville case as

[48:47] well, part of this unit. So, in that way, it expands our investigative

[48:51] capacity and gives us access to more regional resources.

[48:56] Again, working that closely with local, county, and state partners, it improves

[48:59] our coordination with them. And once again, it supports the ongoing city

[49:04] council priorities related to community safety and violent crime reduction.

[49:11] The BCA, the state is offering to pay salary and benefits for this person,

[49:16] including overtime reimbursement of up to $21,000 annually. They will also pay

[49:21] for the vehicle, computer, phone, any travel that would be necessary as part

[49:25] of this this endeavor, uh, and any training.

[49:32] If we were approved to do this, we we recognize the importance of this

[49:37] proactive opportunity. We also don't want to rob Peter to pay Paul. We would

[49:41] like to provide an investigator to this without having to take from one of our

[49:45] other divisions being patrol or investigations. So our request would be

[49:50] to backfill that assigned investigator position within the department

[49:55] by adding an FTE. If state funding were to end in the future, we would stabbing

[50:00] impacts would be managed through attrition. We are fairly confident that

[50:04] it will be funded again. So the consideration for council is does

[50:10] the city council council wish to participate in the violent crime

[50:13] reduction unit through a joint powers agreement and if so does the council

[50:17] council wish to approve a state-f funded budgetneutral FTE with a budget

[50:22] amendment

[50:27] » okay >> with that I will take any questions or

[50:33] any questions

[50:36] Yes, >> Madam Mayor, I love it. I think it's a

[50:39] great idea given the circumstances [cough] that were laid out in our prior

[50:42] prior issue about the trends in Minnesota, in our community, and others.

[50:47] Uh the city has to beef up like we have for the last three years by adding 15

[50:52] additional police officers. We have to be beef up our men and women on the

[50:58] street in the boots on the ground and participate in joint efforts like this

[51:03] that can help uh continue to keep our city safe and thwart the trends that are

[51:08] sweeping the nation unfortunately. >> Okay, any other comments?

[51:12] » I think it was a great idea. >> Okay,

[51:15] » I [snorts] agree. Um and I'm happy [cough] that it's with the BCA. I think

[51:19] they're doing a very good job in the state right now. Um,

[51:25] and it's a solid group to partner with on something like this.

[51:32] » This is a great idea because we also are part of another joint powers agreement

[51:38] with the county um where we're looking at all of the

[51:42] other criminal activity. But with this one, the BCA is paying for the person.

[51:48] This is the big difference between the two, but they're both going to help us a

[51:52] great deal. This one, they're going to pay the salary and benefits, and that's

[51:57] what our I want our uh residents to understand about this. It's a great

[52:02] idea. It's good for all of us, but they're also funding that position. And

[52:08] um and then what we need to do is backfill while that individual is out.

[52:14] But because we're not funding this individual, because the BCA is funding

[52:19] it, we can back that. [cough and clears throat]

[52:21] » So, >> Madame Mayor, members of council, that's

[52:23] correct. And I we do appreciate all of the support we've had over the last

[52:27] several years. >> And like you said, this will add to

[52:30] that. >> Yeah.

[52:31] » I I didn't mention we would be the only agency represented from Dakota County on

[52:36] this task force as well. >> I know. Congratulations. Out of all of

[52:40] the cities that they talked to, they chose Burnsville. Well, that says

[52:44] something about the quality uh and the expertise of our officers and the work

[52:50] that we do and how we deliver it. So, congratulations.

[52:54] » Thank you, Madam Mayor. >> Madame Mayor, I I think it also speaks

[52:58] to how crappy the other cities are and how wonderful we are. So, we should

[53:02] always just put that out there. Haha. [laughter]

[53:08] No, the other cities do very well as as well, but we we our heads and shoulders

[53:17] above. [cough]

[53:20] So, thank you. So, um what we're going to do then is that uh

[53:26] this will come back then for formal approval at a council meeting

[53:30] » of the >> Madame Mayor, members of the council,

[53:32] this would come back at next Tuesday, the 16th council meeting. Okay, very

[53:37] good. I'm glad that we [clears throat] put this on um work session so the

[53:43] community can learn about it because this will be on a consent

[53:48] agenda. >> Madame Mayor, I I would agree. We were

[53:52] we did want people to hear about this because it is such a a great opportunity

[53:56] » for us to supply this investigator to the BCA and be part of this proactive. I

[54:01] think that's the important word here, too. proactive unit to go after violent

[54:05] crime >> and that's and that's what we're doing

[54:08] with everything is really understanding because all of us want violent crime off

[54:13] the streets and so this is good thank you

[54:18] » okay >> madam mayor members of the council so I

[54:21] clear on direction I think that I'm hearing the council is unanimously

[54:26] supportive of participation and the state funded FTE budget amendments Yes.

[54:32] » Um uh is the council agreeable to that as a consent agenda item?

[54:37] » Yeah. >> Yes. Next Tuesday, right?

[54:39] » Yeah. Because um >> the background is such

[54:42] » Yeah. The background is was very clear that BCA is going to fund our our

[54:50] officer salary and benefits.

[54:53] » Madam Mayor, members of the council, that is correct. Um the budget amendment

[54:56] will reflect um I as city manager don't have the authority to add an FTE to the

[55:01] budget. So it will reflect an amendment for an FTE. Uh it will also uh reflect

[55:06] an amendment uh to the budget for the expenditures that would be associated

[55:11] with that FTE and then the reimbursement revenues in the budget. So uh to make

[55:16] sure that we're dotting our eyes and crossing our tees from a finance

[55:20] perspective. >> Well done. Okay.

[55:24] Very [cough] good. Thank you for bringing it to work

[55:27] session so our community can learn about it.

[55:30] » Thank you, >> madame mayor. Thank you.

[55:32] » Thank you. Uh the next item is the civility pledge. Um Bethany.

[55:39] » Uh good evening, Madame Mayor and members of the council. The I am uh here

[55:43] to talk to you about the civility pledge. If you recall, just a few short

[55:47] months ago on April 14th at your round table discussion, the city council

[55:50] directed staff to schedule this work session discussion. Um so you could talk

[55:54] about the possibility of um moving forward with the civility pledge. Uh

[55:59] that is of course some resources. The National League of Cities um shares

[56:02] these resources and encourages cities to adopt local pledges aimed at

[56:06] strengthening respectful public discourse. Um and in your packet tonight

[56:12] and I have some extra copies here if anyone needs. Um there's a couple

[56:15] resources that the NLC provides for these. There's a template um

[56:19] proclamation that um you know it's to lead with civility, dignity, respect. So

[56:24] there's a template that cities can use as a suggestion. And then there's also

[56:28] um both a poster and and like a handout plaque um placard for something the

[56:34] dignity index which is an eight-point scale that measures what we do when we

[56:38] disagree. So that was the resources that council member Keley shared and that

[56:41] we're bringing back to you tonight for really your discussion. So just again

[56:44] bringing this back based on your direction. um and asking if the city

[56:48] council would like to adopt a civility pledge for it meet its meetings and

[56:51] interactions

[56:58] » discussion.

[57:04] I didn't really have an issue with this the last time we talked about it.

[57:12] » Yes, >> I'll go. So, council, do you have a

[57:15] cough drop? Anything? >> I have one in my mouth. Sorry, man.

[57:19] » It's not working. >> It's just No, it's not working.

[57:23] » I do think we should adopt this. I think all cities should adopt this. Um, I do

[57:27] believe that civility is not a sign of weakness. It's a foundation for

[57:31] effective leadership and I think we uh exemplify that even when we disagree and

[57:36] have a healthy debate. Um I I we don't need to see eye to eye on every

[57:44] issue and every vote. Clearly we don't. But that also is a sign of a healthy

[57:48] debate. So

[57:52] um you know we can still work hand in hand as we do almost all the time. To me

[57:59] this this pledge is very simple. It puts public service back ahead of political

[58:04] theater. And I think at the municipal level, this is where the rubber meets

[58:10] the road in civility. I'm in support of this.

[58:14] » Okay. >> I just want to know that we're going to

[58:18] live by it if we do this.

[58:22] » Yeah. So I think all of us agree that we all need to be civil

[58:30] and uh we have lived in Burnsville

[58:36] and have [cough and clears throat] really nurtured a culture of civility

[58:42] and values not only on the council uh values that are in this

[58:49] uh chambers but also the values within the organization

[58:55] and then how our people exemplify that in our community and how

[59:02] our residents experience that um civil

[59:09] compassionate and

[59:14] kindness in the way that uh our staff works with people. So, if we're going to

[59:22] um do this proclamation, I would ask my colleagues on a council that we

[59:28] acknowledge the work that Burnsville has done in the wherees that it's not we're

[59:35] just not doing this just because this came about because of all of the

[59:40] activities uh on political violence across the country.

[59:47] Burnsville has been working on this. I want that to be acknowledged as the

[59:51] first whereas the second whereas need to acknowledge the work that this

[59:56] organization has been doing all along to create a culture of civility and values

[1:00:05] that deal with truth and compromise and so forth takes a long time to do that.

[1:00:13] the things that we do whether it's the festivals or um what we do in our parks

[1:00:19] how we engage with our people we've been doing that I want a whereas that

[1:00:24] acknowledges all of that and then we can say now therefore because

[1:00:31] uh the US conference of mayors uh council member Keley um back in

[1:00:39] March of uh of this of last year adopted

[1:00:47] a declaration that reaffirms commitment to American values of pluralism,

[1:00:53] compromise, truth, and civility. So, we signed all of that.

[1:01:00] So I would like for the now for the now therefore the city of Burnsville

[1:01:07] uh supports the civility pledge

[1:01:12] because we've been doing all of that and so we're saying yeah that fits but I

[1:01:20] would like the different whereas as um um Bethany and but um

[1:01:27] » madam mayor city manager I think this was made A comment was made I think by

[1:01:30] me the last time when I brought this up. I think this is building upon what we

[1:01:34] already have and so I agree 100% with your comment.

[1:01:36] » Yeah. And that's so um city manager Lindberg

[1:01:43] in terms of the proclamation and the different whereases and then the now

[1:01:47] therefore we

[1:01:51] » I think we can maybe staff should work on some language draft and then bring

[1:01:55] » on the proclamation.

[1:01:59] Everybody agrees with that on the >> what you how you added to that. Yes.

[1:02:04] » Yeah. Because I think I don't want to lose what we just because

[1:02:08] » nobody does. Absolutely not. >> We have done a lot.

[1:02:12] » Yeah. Okay. Terra is Yeah. So everybody's thumbs up.

[1:02:16] » City manager, are we okay with putting together a

[1:02:20] proclamation? Uh madame mayor, members of the council, yes, we can absolutely

[1:02:24] put together [cough] a proclamation to uh reflect the council's conversation

[1:02:28] and commitment to civility um and our our unique past history related to the

[1:02:33] conversation. That is not a problem at all.

[1:02:35] » Uh for the council's information, we do have a policy that that says that staff

[1:02:40] and the mayor coordinate uh proclamations. Uh I could bring a

[1:02:44] proclamation back to the council at a work session for further discussion. Um

[1:02:49] I don't know if the city clerk has >> just one small point. I believe it's a

[1:02:53] resolution. >> A resolution not a proclamation.

[1:02:57] » Okay. >> So we can figure out those you know

[1:03:00] » which which which tool are we using a resolution to proclamation to

[1:03:04] » is that correct? >> Yeah.

[1:03:06] » Yeah. >> Whatever whatever is the correct tool

[1:03:08] for us to use. >> Okay.

[1:03:11] » But the now therefore but don't ever miss the things that we're doing. I

[1:03:15] don't want that. And really at the at the end of the day, Madame Mayor

[1:03:19] Council, it's it's your choice. Be it a proclamation or a resolution. We can we

[1:03:23] can [clears throat and cough] approach it either way.

[1:03:24] » Yeah. >> Well, how about if we take a look and

[1:03:26] see which is the appropriate tool? >> Mac, just so I'm understanding, were you

[1:03:31] suggesting that the from your perspective the more appropriate course

[1:03:34] of action would be a resolution? >> Um, isn't and I was just double checking

[1:03:39] what we have in the agenda packet is a proposed resolution. Correct. It's

[1:03:43] actually a sorry the >> there is a nope it's it's

[1:03:47] » there is neither in the >> it it doesn't matter

[1:03:50] » I'll I'll look up to see how this is handled

[1:03:53] » in other cities and we'll bring it back >> staff if if the council is comfortable

[1:03:58] and agreeable staff will look at the appropriate mechanism and draft some

[1:04:01] language and I'll come back to you uh with a a proposed path forward that is

[1:04:06] most efficient and effective whether that be another work session

[1:04:09] conversation or uh we bring that to a regular agenda conversation of the

[1:04:13] council. Uh we can [laughter] we can make that determination and communicate

[1:04:17] in the future. >> All right. Very good.

[1:04:18] » Agreeable. >> Yep. Yep. It's a good path forward.

[1:04:22] » I like it. >> All right. Thank you so much. All right.

[1:04:26] Um and now the next item is roundt. There's nothing on round table. So

[1:04:33] reports. Vince. >> I got nothing.

[1:04:37] » Cara, >> nothing.

[1:04:40] » Okay. And I have nothing. >> Quick question. Quick question.

[1:04:42] » Holiday. >> When will that come back uh to the

[1:04:45] council? Roughly. >> I'm I'm leaving for the NLC leadership

[1:04:50] uh in early June. And I'm just curious if this

[1:04:52] » it'll probably be done in July. >> Would it come back?

[1:04:58] » The next work session is July. >> Is that likely how it would come back as

[1:05:04] a work session or a >> finished product ready for a council

[1:05:07] regular council meeting? >> That's fine. Whichever way. I just want

[1:05:09] to get an idea. >> Yeah. Yeah, if there's a if there's a

[1:05:12] timing, we can our next meeting is >> I don't think there's a timing.

[1:05:16] » No, not so much. I just want to be able to represent the city of Burnsville that

[1:05:20] we have uh adopted or will be adopting. Right. That

[1:05:23] » either way, >> I think you can say that already.

[1:05:27] » Yes, >> we're putting it together. We we

[1:05:29] discussed it and >> I do think there is a very efficient

[1:05:32] path forward here, Mayor Council. I I don't think this is complicated. So,

[1:05:36] » okay. Thank you. That's good to know. And there are a lot of eyes watching.

[1:05:41] There are a lot of cities taking this discussion up around the country. Um and

[1:05:46] many know that we are talking about it tonight. So I just wanted to uh

[1:05:50] » well >> get a sense as to when we would bring it

[1:05:52] back for that final proc or re. >> Yeah. Because you know it's something

[1:05:57] that everybody's talking about. >> Yeah.

[1:05:59] » Dan, I mean we took this up at the US Conference of Mayors last um March. So,

[1:06:07] » so did we uh you know and we all signed the declaration but it continues to move

[1:06:13] forward. >> Okay. If there's nothing else, um

[1:06:17] Michelle, do you have anything? >> Take it to baseball.

[1:06:21] » Okay. If there is nothing else to come before us, we stand adjourned by

[1:06:24] acclamation. [clears throat]

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