[0:07] Thank you, City Clerk, please call the roll. Good afternoon Mayor Protem Jackson. Here. Council member King. Here. Mayor Morrison. Here. Council member Shoria. Here.

[0:18] And Council member Willis. Here. Council, all are here. Oh, five council members, thank you. Thank you to our city manager and city staff and all the members of the community who are joining us here today.

[0:29] Okay, so this is a special meeting, and we've got basically one item.

[0:37] We do have public participation, but prior to doing so council, just one before we approve

[0:42] the agenda as right nor were the amendments.

[0:44] When I point out a couple of things, based on my understanding is our city attorney, it's

[0:50] intended for him to be here.

[0:53] Once he gets here, caution, we don't want to really get into city business.

[0:57] We've got until the city attorney gets here, but obviously-

[1:03] In the parking lot, sorry.

[1:05] No, that's excellent.

[1:06] Thank you.

[1:08] Public participation is first.

[1:11] We've got, I think, nine, 10 cards here, assuming those go, three minutes, and then about

[1:19] a half an hour worth of public participation.

[1:22] we will then go into the item for action. Our city attorney does have another council meeting tonight.

[1:31] That's the first thing I wanted to point out. And then the second thing is that we do have representatives here

[1:37] who intend to speak, who need to leave it to PM. And so if we roll with public participation in the next few minutes,

[1:47] that would leave about 30 minutes for the representatives here to speak.

[1:54] And so it's always my intention to hear public participation before we take any action on items.

[2:02] But Councillors, there are any thoughts that we want to continue with the agenda as written,

[2:06] or would we want to potentially move public participation before any action,

[2:16] but maybe after the presentation and perhaps the public would appreciate being able to hear

[2:21] any presentation prior, so just open for any ideas.

[2:26] Can we know what the presentation regarding?

[2:31] Yes, session on the panel, I'm about to give some information out, but I want to explain

[2:35] it what I do it.

[2:36] It is about opportunities here within our city for coordination and collaboration with Sans Museum,

[2:45] So they're going to talk with us and they're they've got they've turned the facility and I've got this in order

[2:53] Rory it will make sense to you and I can get Council totally up to speed

[2:57] But it would be helpful for them since they have a prior commitment and I'd like to give them as much time

[3:03] So Council has the opportunity to

[3:06] To ask them as many questions as they may as

[3:09] You need

[3:13] some Mr. Mayor

[3:14] I have a short introduction, and then I want to pass document out and a presentation that

[3:22] I put together.

[3:23] And I'm sorry it's late I literally just finished it a few minutes ago.

[3:27] The way this is a card and that's why I want to make sure council is clear on how this

[3:32] is happened and just give our guests an opportunity to speak.

[3:38] How about this as an idea, since I have nine cards, if anyone would like to speak prior to

[3:43] presentation, let's give them the opportunity, and then those that want to hear the presentation

[3:48] and then speak, we could do public participation towards the end or before we take action

[3:53] on the item, basically open up to.

[3:57] That's good.

[3:59] So, just show a hands for those of you who know you've submitted cards, who would like to

[4:11] minimum? Are there any others? Excellent. Thank you. So, Council, now that we have an idea

[4:19] and of course, if you change your mind, you want to speak absolutely, I think we're

[4:23] fair to open that up, but we have nine cards, three of them, we'll like to speak. I don't

[4:28] know number four is to approve the agenda as written. I think the only change would be that

[4:32] we basically add another public participation after a presentation and so I think we could approve

[4:42] it as written. I don't, I think we need to insert a presentation after these initial three

[4:52] present or speak publicly and then we'll come back to public participation. Does that sound good?

[4:57] Thank you. So looking for a motion to, I think, approve as as written. I don't move to approve the agenda as written.

[5:09] I'll sign it.

[5:11] Okay, got a motion by Council Member Shorriak and a second by Council Member King.

[5:18] Any further discussion on item four? Seeing none, City Clerk.

[5:22] Mayor for Tim Jackson or Councilmember King for Mayor Morrison for Councilmember Shoryak for in

[5:30] Councilmember Willis or

[5:33] The agenda approved as written as adopted five o which brings us now to our public participation

[5:39] But we by saw the the three hands that were raised the first one I have in that order was there four hands raised three. I have a

[5:49] Angela Raymond is the first card that I have, so please come forward, Mr. Raymond, and then I saw Mr. Pervelle.

[6:00] I see him, so Mr. Ginger Wolf, Swarez.

[6:04] Okay, yes.

[6:05] I'm Angela Raymond. I live at 704-8 civil court, number 202 Cape Canaveral.

[6:12] I've been a resident here since 2004.

[6:16] And I want to speak about the Cape Center. Why the Cape Center?

[6:20] not everything is based on a price tag.

[6:27] If it was the case, we would never have laid our

[6:30] eyes on a rodent in Paris or a David at the Ephesie Gallery in Florence, or even the

[6:38] 16 Chapel in Rome. Artistic expression is an integral part of our humanity. The act of

[6:47] is uplifting for the spirit.

[6:51] Here in Cape Canaveral, we have a very intelligent electorate.

[6:57] You may not know we have a lot of artists and writers and poets.

[7:03] Only look around our city hall that proudly displays local artistic endeavors.

[7:12] The Cape Center created an opportunity for not only displaying art but also studying art.

[7:22] I can't draw a straight line, but I even went to a class with one of my neighbors who is extremely active.

[7:31] The poetry readings took place there once a month in our Cape Center. Poets came from all over

[7:39] Brevard County. Why? Because there was no other place for them to express the work that

[7:46] they swed and over. I admit that the marketing of this beautiful asset was lacking, but things

[7:55] take time. You take the average dentist starting out his business. And usually it takes 12 years

[8:03] dentist tell me to actually establish their clientele. The building will be totally paid for

[8:10] in February 2027 from the CRA funds. You're at the Louerm tax money. If we don't use it, we lose it.

[8:20] When I left office in December, 2023, we had 20.5% in reserves.

[8:30] Had we kept our millage rate consistent with rising costs, we would not have had a problem, paying our bills.

[8:40] The council knew there were issues from February 2025 and did nothing.

[8:47] If you want nice things, you have to pay for them.

[8:52] Mayor Capisey came here and told you the exact same thing.

[8:56] And Coco Beach sits at 5.9% for their knowledge rate.

[9:02] The BCA is a good fit for our Cape Center.

[9:08] However, we need to look at it.

[9:10] Thank you.

[9:11] I just wanted to say one other thing.

[9:18] The other things are baseball, diamond, our veterans park, our splash pad.

[9:25] Those things are for the residents, enjoyment, and we paid for them.

[9:30] Thank you.

[9:31] Thank you.

[9:37] So Brad Pervelle?

[9:40] Yes, thank you.

[9:41] And while Mr. Pervelle's coming up, most people, I think, know the routine.

[9:45] When the light goes on, there's three minutes, the green light, yellow minutes, there's

[9:48] 30 seconds left. We ask that you please close when the light does red and be

[9:55] so. Mr. Pavel. Hi, how's everyone doing today? I'm going to take a little

[10:01] different tact. We're talking about facilities and how they operate. I'm

[10:06] talking about the literally field. We are, get to the point.

[10:16] We had the

[10:18] If they could cut the grass at the little leaf field,

[10:22] the gout, the front desk goes,

[10:24] that if back, she comes out and says,

[10:26] no, insurance regulations.

[10:29] So if the little league cannot maintain the little league field,

[10:35] then this whole volunteer program is in the tank.

[10:40] Another issue with the little league field,

[10:42] we have a three to four inch gap

[10:44] between the skin of the field and the turf.

[10:49] Mr. Mayor, you understand from playing softball.

[10:52] If you have a gap like that,

[10:53] you can get a bed hop and that to break a kid's nose.

[10:56] That possibly can lead us open to a lawsuit

[11:00] if we don't maintain our field.

[11:03] Now, a little lead has requested new clay for the field.

[11:07] They will level the field.

[11:10] They will disperse the clay.

[11:12] All the city needs to do is spend $1,500 which was in the budget previously on a truckload of clay for the field.

[11:24] Our kids and we have 60 to 70 families that are playing on this field and the fall and more than that in the springtime.

[11:33] Our kids should not suffer because our city services can't maintain the field, their parks, etc.

[11:44] So maybe you can discuss this when we talk about facilities, more than happy to discuss it with any one of you about getting clay to put on the skin of our little league field.

[11:57] You spent $20,000 to put a concession stand in that has never been used.

[12:03] I urge you to spend $1,500 to put clay and I urge you to allow the little lead to volunteer

[12:11] and cut the grass.

[12:13] Thank you very much.

[12:15] Thank you.

[12:20] This ginger will swar us.

[12:28] Hey, hey.

[12:30] I'm here on behalf of the Provard Cultural Alliance, the Local Designated Arts Agency

[12:35] of 51 years. I'm here to say I still believe we are the right fit. We are a bridge in this society.

[12:43] I'm here for one reason only today to listen and to say we want to do good in this community.

[12:50] You might have noticed, we love this community, we bring energy, revitalization,

[12:56] and enthusiasm in a way that truly nothing else does. You might have noticed to our events recently

[13:02] went viral. We have so much energy behind us right now. Regarding the economic pressure you

[13:09] currently have, I would refer you to a study in the American for Arts, which suggested

[13:14] 502.4 million in economic activity across seven counties in Central Florida. Regarding BCA,

[13:23] we have 27 locations currently for our art and public places program with hundreds of artists

[13:28] and 600,000 impressions per year.

[13:31] We serve 17 schools, 9,000 students.

[13:34] I can really tell the care and love you have for this community.

[13:38] And I just want to say, as you move forward, that care is shared.

[13:41] And I believe in you.

[13:42] And I believe you'll make the right decision for this community.

[13:46] Thank you.

[13:52] Was there another doctor, Roberts?

[13:54] You can go ahead and come forward.

[13:55] We'll make sure we collect your card afterwards.

[13:58] And as Dr. Roberts is coming up, was there any other people

[14:01] that would like to speak, Mr. Mejia. I see you. Thank you. Anyone else?

[14:08] Okay, good. Yes.

[14:09] This is more a question. I hope I'll have a chance to comment later, but I think

[14:14] and I'll appreciate the presentation today, but I did want to mention that I think the community,

[14:19] you know, we've got the BCA, we have Sands, we also have the Space Museum in Tadesville,

[14:25] we have the University of Central Florida that is offered to have incubators here. I just

[14:30] I think there is a myriad of opportunities here if we start opening this up, which I think was my perception that Council was wanting to do in this last meeting to consider different options.

[14:42] So I'm just mentioning, I know the same presentation today was terrific, but I do think there's some other opportunities that I hope the Council would consider if we've given that chance to enable those to be presented.

[14:53] So that's by me coming right now just to mention this science presentation in the context

[15:18] I would appreciate some of you looking at me beside being on your phone, Mr. Shoryak. You may not be interested in what I have to do with you, but I have to do with you.

[15:38] to say. Mr. Media, you'll address the chair. Thank you. Very well. Thank you, Mayor. You know what?

[15:45] I just think a lot of you people don't take a job serious. You all have personal agendas. That's

[15:50] my personal opinion. Some people may feel otherwise, but that's my personal opinion. We have people

[15:55] that own properties that profit off of. I'm going to leave that alone. You all chose to sell a few

[16:01] vehicles. You didn't do anything with the property, big parses of property that have some value.

[16:07] You chose to keep a brand new pickup truck for a gentleman that works part-time at C5

[16:12] That's the newest in the fleet that still maintains some value while you haven't chosen to do anything in that is

[16:18] Beyond me

[16:21] the grounds at C5 I walked there by there every morning on my way to the beach

[16:26] The plurable condition

[16:28] I don't know

[16:30] Someone needs to get their act together. Someone needs to make some decisions. Someone needs to guide some people out there that are doing the few things that are being done

[16:40] Just make some decisions already, you know, a BCA, they have a right opportunity to bring in,

[16:46] give some good exposure to the city, bring in some artists, bring in some traffic that maybe,

[16:52] you know, it has been marketed like that before, give these folks someone like that,

[16:56] an opportunity to do something and draw some value to this community.

[17:00] You all have shut down public amenities because of a spending problem, not an income problem.

[17:09] a spending problem. In the elections next week, and I just hope whoever occupies those seats

[17:15] thereafter are a little bit better at their jobs.

[17:25] Thank you. That's that you are all the cards.

[17:29] I have a misvisitant nominee. You want to speak please come forward.

[17:36] Okay. I have a misvisitant

[17:45] nominee for a 21-lake in the over-new Cape Canaveral,

[17:48] resident for over 30 years. I just want to set something straight, in my heart nobody here

[17:58] took any money.

[18:01] Okay, we as citizens and your citizens, we paid our taxes that you asked us to pay.

[18:09] Okay, and then someone, and it can't be this city manager, you know how much I like the old city manager.

[18:16] It can't be this city manager, but whether it was the city manager or people within individual departments,

[18:25] they each had a budget.

[18:28] People inside of City Hall spent the money.

[18:33] I'm not saying they took the money. The money was spent.

[18:36] And I'm hearing in the community that these people sitting in front of us spent the money.

[18:42] That's not true. We paid our taxes.

[18:45] We expect a level of community activities that were promised was to be there, and you people

[18:55] have to figure out how to get us back there.

[18:58] You didn't take anything, but help us get back there, and for you to think that these people

[19:03] did it, I'm sorry, that's not the case.

[19:07] I've lived here, I've watched these people.

[19:10] I yell at them when they're something to be able to, like I'm their grandmother, but I just

[19:15] want to say let's give them each their own respect and let's get something done. Let's stop

[19:21] defending why we're doing something instead let's do something okay you know I raise my

[19:30] head because I want something done sorry I'll talk again later thank you

[19:40] that concludes all the

[19:42] I have everyone out so you submitted a card.

[19:47] Mr. Dr. Guerrero, you'd like to speak now.

[19:48] Please come forward.

[19:49] I have it right here.

[19:54] Yes.

[19:55] Well, if you want to speak before the presentation,

[19:58] now as your term or time.

[20:03] Please come forward.

[20:04] Yes, sir. Thank you.

[20:25] Could I be in there, Morrison?

[20:27] Members of the council?

[20:28] and City Manager Torchbury. My name is Raymond Garubo. I'm a resident, volunteer, applicant,

[20:38] retired professor, and still an active researcher.

[20:43] I'm not here to advocate for or

[20:45] against any outcome today. I'd like to suggest, however, what would help the council reach

[20:53] understandable decision, whatever it decides.

[20:58] The item before you asked for direction for on C5, Nancy Hansen, and the Cape Center.

[21:07] I'd like to offer three observations.

[21:10] First, confidence in the city's fiscal decisions have been shaken, and rebuilding it will take some time.

[21:18] That makes it especially important that the numbers behind any decision be clear and open to review.

[21:28] Second, this council has a fair argument for acting now.

[21:33] The facilities need continuity and this council holds office until its successors are seated.

[21:40] There is an equally fair argument for caution.

[21:44] Some options, such as an O to your lease, would commit the city beyond this election.

[21:51] I'd ask the council to be clear about which parts of its direction are short-term and

[21:56] reversible and which are not.

[22:00] Third, I'd ask for evidence in a form of residence can follow for each facility, what it

[22:07] cost to operate now, what revenue it brings in, what each option would cost, and which

[22:14] source of money, pays.

[22:17] The option to discuss so far includes third-party operators,

[22:21] such as the Revard Cultural Alliance

[22:24] and the volunteer proposals residents have offered.

[22:28] Their savings estimates come from...

[22:30] Proposing parties, which is the reason to verify them. I'd also ask for attendance and usage data for each facility. Since county-wide studies describe the county, not these buildings or facilities.

[22:47] And since the natural question is how long this will take, I'd ask to have to tell us how long each item will require. Thank you for your time.

[22:56] Thank you, Dr. Rubo.

[23:03] These are all the cards I have.

[23:05] Just anyone else who'd like to speak, it's going to be a card this time.

[23:10] Seeing none, thank you all very much.

[23:12] We'll go ahead and close public participation.

[23:14] This item here, before I say item number six,

[23:18] is a priorities and facility operations provide direction

[23:21] to the city manager regarding immediate priorities

[23:23] for the continued operations of the C5,

[23:26] Nancy Hanson Recreational Facility and the Cape Center and Identify Options to ensure continuity of services and programs.

[23:34] Mayor Perth Tim Jackson requested this meeting.

[23:38] Thank you, the entire council is here today and with that, Mayor Perth Tim Jackson Floorgers.

[23:44] Thank you. As we had gone through our last meeting in regards to the Cape Center,

[23:52] It occurred to me that we as Council had not even set a priority as far as what building we want

[24:00] staff working with first.

[24:03] Now, and that's when I set this meeting, but what I have wanted to do, and I don't want

[24:07] to run out of time because we've got people that you need to hear if we're going to be

[24:13] open and listen to everything, and I want to go over this timeline quickly with you.

[24:20] So I'm going to pass that down for you and can you put that on the screen for me so that everyone in the audience can see this or in the chamber excuse me and I'm going to go through it pretty quickly, but this goes through, nope, not that one.

[24:39] the word dot that is,

[24:45] there we go.

[24:47] This is how this came about with me.

[24:50] I attended the League of Mayors meeting in July.

[24:53] It was scheduled originally for May and I attended the day of the ninth.

[24:58] And during that meeting I was able to speak with Colonel Chapman.

[25:02] I expressed an interest in sharing infrastructure information with the Colonel.

[25:07] And I asked him if there was any way we as a city could benefit from utilizing their civil engineering infrastructure information from their team, which is a federally funded team out of DC, very high level expertise.

[25:26] The reason I want to do that is to save our city, the civil engineering cost for us identifying

[25:32] how to shore up our infrastructure for the increased number of launches that they're going to incurred, they're coming.

[25:41] So I want to make sure our city is ready.

[25:45] The Council then gave me consensus to do that.

[25:49] And after that, we were trying to schedule a meeting in August that didn't occur.

[25:55] We did have a meeting in September that included the staff, and that meeting was, you'll

[26:04] see some of these back here, that meeting.

[26:06] We had myself, Zach, Ickles, Rich Davis, our city engineer, Largandy, this is on the

[26:16] second page for you.

[26:18] Largandy, Lisa Wilson, who had coordinated for us, was, I'm able to attend that day.

[26:24] So we went to that meeting on September 23rd on base, we took a base tour and the team was established for us to work together to move forward and sharing information with space force to ensure that we have the latest technology, the highest level of information sharing with the base and we need to be operationally ready with them.

[26:51] They have people that live here in our city and we have aging infrastructure, so that's what this meeting that I have was about.

[27:02] Now from that meeting on October 15th, I was invited to the space port of the future meeting at Patrick and City Attorney, I'm asking a question next because I research this.

[27:14] It is absolutely okay for us as elected officials to talk to other people within the community

[27:20] to forge relationships when Council has given you consensus.

[27:29] Council members are free to talk to constituents and interested parties.

[27:34] They're not just okay.

[27:35] Nothing to prohibits that under the law.

[27:37] Okay, thank you.

[27:38] I just want to make sure what I found is right.

[27:40] You know how research can be on the internet.

[27:43] So, I went to this meeting. During the meeting, I was really, I felt really honored to be seated

[27:54] in between Colonel Chapman and his civil, well, the director, executive director for SLD-45,

[28:03] which is our pace. We went through a presentation on infrastructure, which I'm gathering that

[28:11] information and we'll be getting that to staff with their plans at the base on how they're

[28:16] hardening their infrastructure. Now, the person that was sitting with me the executive

[28:22] director for SLD-45 meeting the base, he asked me to lunch and his group came to lunch with

[28:30] myself and my the person that asked for to me on to base and they just started discussing all

[28:36] the challenges with the space port of the future and all of the building and some of the

[28:42] challenges they had. They discussed the museums out there. They had discussed some of the future

[28:48] plans out there. And I made a comment. We've got some space here in Cape Canaveral. And from that,

[28:56] okay, so I made my meeting. I went to that meeting when I went on about my business. Then on the

[29:03] 20 second, you'll see the next page, if you go to that, I set my meeting for today.

[29:10] And my meeting for today was, as council, let's discuss what we need to cover first.

[29:16] Why would I do that?

[29:17] Because of the fact that we have the community center where people are currently going.

[29:23] I was over there today, very impressive when the door opens at 10 o'clock in

[29:28] in a one all of the pickle mock courts are felt that was like wow so it's good to see that

[29:35] activity. Then so as we look as counsel and we discuss this today I had wanted to

[29:43] prioritize what our city manager and our staff handles first so that they can handle these

[29:51] things with success. I think we need to make sure and look at those facilities that have people utilizing them.

[30:00] Today, where there may be shortcomings.

[30:05] So, then I asked for our city manager and our clerk to set up a meeting, and we did. However, when we were talking on the meeting, the prior meeting, we had the question that was called. So we really didn't get to discuss this at that time. So I was wanting to discuss priorities.

[30:27] Now, on Thursday, October 22nd, I received a call from Race Sands. As seen below, he was

[30:34] expressing an interest in Cape View and, quote unquote, the Old Court House. You'll see

[30:40] those records on the next page. Those are from my cell phones voicemail. And the reason I'm

[30:47] doing this this way is we had a question last time as to how this card now wants you to realize,

[30:52] There's all a card after I set this meeting, so just so you know, so he's the son of the founder of

[31:00] Sands Museum. His father founded Sands Museum seven decades ago. He was also in instrumental and received

[31:10] phone calls from President John F. Kennedy saying we're going to build a Kennedy space center.

[31:17] So, Mr. Sands is someone that has history all over him all the way back to water areas even here.

[31:28] Now, he expressed interest, like I said in Kate, you and some of our other facilities.

[31:36] And this made me realize we do have people interested in our city.

[31:40] Now, our history is the space industry and it's going to go forward, I'm telling you

[31:49] I saw, you look at the plans and they are moving forward quickly with the progress

[31:56] at the space center.

[31:59] So Mr. Sands asked if his team could come over and tour the facilities.

[32:06] So, on Friday the 23rd, I went and spoke with our city manager and I coordinated a tour for those representatives and those representatives are the representatives here today

[32:21] and I'm going to get I'm going to get names here for you and just one side here we go.

[32:26] If my.

[32:28] So, we have Nathan Ducati.

[32:33] If y'all will come up, we'll let you speak next.

[32:36] I just wanted to make sure that they knew what had happened and how we got here because this

[32:41] was really fast even after our schedule and I'm meeting that this is a card and I think

[32:46] it's important for us as a community to hear their ideas and things like that nature.

[32:52] They went on a tour today. I was in attendance as well as our city manager and our

[32:57] assistant city manager and they took a look at our sites here in the city including

[33:03] and I want to give them the opportunity to speak.

[33:06] And with us, we have Ross Piper, Nathan Ducati, and Jim Thomas, each one of them will take

[33:12] a moment at the microphone so you guys can speak with them or hear what they have to say.

[33:18] Okay, thank you Mayor for Tim Jackson.

[33:20] Thank you all for having us.

[33:22] Mayor, thanks for having us here.

[33:24] Keith, for the tour earlier today.

[33:26] really just wanted to reach out and have an opportunity to come and introduce ourselves a little bit.

[33:33] We are working right now with the Sand Space History Museum.

[33:37] So I basically come from a background of construction and development.

[33:40] I was fortunate enough to be able to build those probably in club vacations over and across from

[33:46] Jettie Park a few years back.

[33:48] So I have built in this area.

[33:50] And then now I've been working with the whole group of the Sand Space History Museum

[33:55] to put together the design, put together the design team,

[33:59] the construction documents and the whole plan

[34:01] on how we can basically renovate that area

[34:04] and make something more out of it than it is now.

[34:07] So right now, it's a beautiful little museum,

[34:09] but we think it has the opportunity to really draw on

[34:13] what is happening with space in the space race

[34:15] that's upon us right now

[34:17] and all the different launch events

[34:19] that are gonna continue to increase

[34:20] and then offer opportunities for those spaces

[34:23] to be places where people can go

[34:25] engage, give them a longer amounts of time to stay on, you know, in this area, perhaps get into

[34:31] where this is even supporting the local hotel industry and then again, just bringing

[34:36] more tourism and more opportunity for events there.

[34:40] With that comes the same thing that we were discussing, the need for infrastructure improvements,

[34:44] the need for fundraising, and really the need for making sure that we honor the legacy of

[34:50] what this place is about.

[34:51] I think a lot of the earlier speakers did a great job.

[34:54] I think we should absolutely make sure that we're staying in the lane of supporting the arts.

[34:59] And really, from one of my big takeaways today was it was just so clear to me.

[35:04] Some of these facilities, we looked at the original elementary school.

[35:07] You know, what's really needed in addition to sort of spaces for people to gather is I think

[35:12] I think we'd be missing the mark if we didn't think about how do we continue to focus on education.

[35:18] And how do we educate all people from all ages with a heavy focus on trying to get the children involved?

[35:25] So I think that that's a great opportunity and a great opportunity to continue to grow and foster.

[35:30] I couldn't agree with you more in that through the arts and through using your hands, there's a great opportunity to learn and grow.

[35:38] And this community has was built upon supporting Cape Canaveral and supporting the space force.

[35:48] And it needs to remain in that role.

[35:51] And so I think there's an opportunity we haven't put this together yet.

[35:54] Today was our first time just really being on the ground and thinking about it through this lens.

[36:01] But I think there's a world in which we thread this needle and put this together so that we may be use some of those beautiful resources we have.

[36:08] that you guys have here to attract, to attract to the arts, to offer a vision about what this could be,

[36:16] to offer a vision to the people that are going to have to staff this growing space port over time.

[36:23] And I think there's a way that the Cape Canaver can be a part of the story.

[36:27] It's always been a part of and supplying our workforce.

[36:30] And the workforce is going to be needed there.

[36:32] We're already being told from every person that's a launch consultant there or a launch company there,

[36:38] or any fabricators that fabricates for these people, they cannot get enough people.

[36:44] So they could take as many jobs, high-tech, high-paying jobs as possible, be pushed

[36:49] in that direction, and we're right here adjacent to it with the opportunity to double-click

[36:53] on education and expansion.

[36:55] So that's kind of where my head went after today's meeting, but I've got a couple people

[36:59] with me that I was going to also ask to speak and just sort of give their take on the matter.

[37:04] more than anything, this was just we wanted you guys to know what we're doing and sort of thinking of and working on on the cape and then really just this being all of branch to say let's synergize and whatever we're doing there how can this become a feeder or a symbiotic relationship with that and I think there's a ton of opportunity and we just wanted to kind of introduce ourselves as potential partners to help and carry that flag.

[37:28] Thank you Mr. Dukati.

[37:30] This is your name. Is it Nathan Dukati? Nathan Dukati. And you are with, I'm with Tideline, consulting. Tideline, consulting, thank you so much, Mr. Dukati.

[37:44] Hello everyone. Thanks for having us. Ross Piper, Grace Design Studio's Architects. I'm lucky to be here today to towards facilities and kind of see what's going on.

[37:52] And I think Nathan hit it, you know, right on the head. I think creating opportunity for all ages from children to older adults to the aging population, creating something that wants

[38:04] And it's part of this community and people want to come here to use to learn to grow and

[38:12] You know, we're gonna sort of have what's gonna come next

[38:14] But just want to introduce myself Ross Piper and sort of the architect on the team. So thank you

[38:20] Mr. Piper. You said Ross Piper with Grace Designs consulting

[38:24] Grace Designs studios architects one more time. I'm sorry Ross Piper with Grace Designs studios design studios. Thank you, Mr. Piper

[38:32] Yes.

[38:37] Mr. Mayor, council, Jim Thomas, I'm with the U.S. Space Force Historical Foundation,

[38:42] and the Foundation supports the Space Force Museum, and that's the Mayor of Pro Tem had several

[38:48] conversations with, with Space Force. We support the activities that the Space Force can't

[38:54] spend money on at the base and around and around the base. That foundation was formed.

[39:01] are the museum was formed in the early 60s. The foundation was created in the late 80s to support

[39:06] those museum activities. It's just amazing what we've seen. The base had its first launch

[39:13] in 1950 so we celebrated this last year the 75th anniversary of launch and it was in time that we

[39:20] could reflect back on what had happened as we look forward to what is going to happen and we're

[39:26] going to do some major renovations and build-outs on the most historic site that we have

[39:32] out there, which was our first satellite, which was 1958, and then our first astronaut

[39:37] to go to space Alan Shepherd in 1961. We have a 67 acre plot out there that we're going to build

[39:46] a major experience on, and then the Sam's property, which is also on the Space Force property

[39:53] But outside of the security fence, we're going to build a major facility there as well.

[39:58] That's really a community asset.

[40:00] And so we wanted to be here today to say that we want to be good neighbors.

[40:03] We want what we do out there to be a great benefit to the city of Cape Canaveral.

[40:08] And we had loved with all of the facilities and the changes.

[40:11] And how do we look at this growth as an opportunity?

[40:14] That that serves the community.

[40:16] I live here in this community and I want to see the growth that is coming.

[40:20] You know, it is, it can be disruptive and not everybody loves to see more rocket launches but we have an opportunity to really grow with it and to make sure that these become assets and really, you know, serve not just the tourist population but, but our, you know, local citizens.

[40:37] We'd love to invite the council and staff to come out and see our facilities ideally in, you know, November or December and really to get your feedback on what we're doing.

[40:49] and what you think we could,

[40:51] how we could even better collaborate

[40:53] as the collective cape that we are.

[40:56] So thank you for having us today,

[40:58] and it's great to be with you.

[40:59] Thank you, Mr. Thomas,

[41:00] and it was with the Space Force Historical Foundation.

[41:05] We appreciate you.

[41:05] Mr. Dukati, Mr. Piper, Mr. Thomas,

[41:07] thank you all very much.

[41:09] Appreciate it.

[41:09] Great to be with you.

[41:11] Mayor Perth, Tim Jackson.

[41:12] Can I give up one of your ideas?

[41:14] I just thought it was great.

[41:16] I love this.

[41:16] on astronaut physical program for the kids at C5.

[41:22] I just thought that would be the coolest thing

[41:24] because we're the city that had John Glenn running down our beach.

[41:29] That was his spot where he worked out before.

[41:32] I just think that's really an awesome idea,

[41:34] but they had some creative thinking going on today as they turned.

[41:39] Thank you so much.

[41:41] Mr. Mayor, do we have an opportunity to ask questions of our guests?

[41:45] I think it would, Mr. Piper Thomas and Dekati, I understand you'll need to leave.

[41:54] Councilmember King wanted to ask a question if you'd.

[41:57] Do you have a five more minutes?

[41:59] Okay.

[42:00] Thank you.

[42:00] Mr. Mayor.

[42:02] Okay.

[42:03] First of all, I think your ideas are amazing.

[42:06] Absolutely amazing.

[42:07] And I recall US space camp out there was at 407 heading out toward you.

[42:14] And that was very, very popular in its day.

[42:17] Do you envision something like that happening here utilizing one of our facilities?

[42:22] I eat perhaps the KPU Elementary School building?

[42:25] I think that the opportunities we interact with the industry so much.

[42:30] And they are asked, the industry is begging for people to fill those jobs.

[42:35] And it's just, to me, it's a shame if we have to recruit people from outside of our community

[42:40] to take those well well-paid jobs, and that should be not just, you know, our high school students and college age students,

[42:46] but I think that that type of prosperity needs to flow into our community, and those, those opportunities are there,

[42:54] but a lot of time, as Nathan was saying, it takes specialized training for that.

[42:58] I know O'Galley High School has a great program.

[43:01] I met with the coordinator of that, and, you know, they're doing 20, 30, 40 kids at a time.

[43:07] And I think there's a real opportunity to do that.

[43:10] We obviously, you know, the school, the elementary school was shut down and to see that

[43:16] repurposed into something that could really service the community would just be a wonderful

[43:21] thing to have happen.

[43:24] So there's an opportunity here, it seems, to collaborate between the arts community and the

[43:31] science community.

[43:32] Now, talking about the KPU Elementary School, assuming that we get to hang on to it, depending

[43:39] on what the county decides, is there any other opportunity that you see with any of the facilities

[43:45] you visited today, where you could plug in and utilize it to expand what you're already doing

[43:52] out there at the Cape?

[43:54] Well, I think, and that's why I would love to invite Council and staff out to come and see

[43:58] what we're doing. The property that we have at the Sands History Center, one of the proposals

[44:03] is to flatten those buildings and to build a great new facility. And our history center

[44:10] is going to need to go somewhere, during those years, probably take two or three years to build

[44:16] that. So I think seeing the facilities that we did today and evaluating if that's something

[44:23] that the community wants to see and something that is viable is a great conversation for us

[44:28] have over the weeks to come, but certainly was very excited by what we saw today and the potential

[44:34] to add growth and prosperity to the city.

[44:40] Now, you probably understand that we've also been talking with the Brevard Cultural Alliance.

[44:45] I know them and very supportive of them.

[44:48] And I think that intersection of steam, skills, and science, and growth, but coupled with

[44:55] arts is is a wonderful intersection. Then you'd be pretty much answer to my question because I'm wondering.

[45:00] If there's an opportunity for some collaboration between the two entities and that the facility that we're looking at may be housing them again would be complementary to what you're trying to do.

[45:12] It would be a shame not to collaborate.

[45:15] All right, thank you. Thank you.

[45:17] Thank you very much.

[45:18] My pleasure. Any other questions?

[45:20] Excellent. My question as well. Council, any other questions for representatives here today?

[45:25] Thank you all very much. We appreciate you taking time.

[45:28] and I think coordinating with our city manager and our team here on the opportunity to go

[45:37] tour is something this council could consider. Again, thank you all very much.

[45:42] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[45:50] Mayor Pertum Jackson.

[45:54] Now we're really back to the presentation that I'd put together and it's really simply a slide

[45:59] because I inserted those. Yes. Okay, so I just received

[46:04] if you'll put that up in the middle point. Yeah, so really my

[46:09] original intent was just we need to set some goals.

[46:13] And we first staff and we need to set the priorities because we have

[46:18] these facilities and some of these facilities are absolutely

[46:24] active right now. And so we have our community that are working

[46:28] around these things and we need to, as a council, in my opinion, and hopefully yours as well.

[46:37] Let's set the priorities for them.

[46:39] What building do we want to work on first?

[46:42] I know that since last March we had discussed looking at service providers for the C5, do we

[46:50] want to still do that?

[46:52] Do we want to look at how the, oh thank you, do we want to look at,

[46:57] But whether it self-serve, whether we have service providers, do we want to take RFPs on that.

[47:07] It's important that no matter what we do with any of these sites that we're going through

[47:12] the city's procurement process, which is defined in our city code.

[47:17] And so as we have our discussions, we've got Nancy Hanson, and I'm sure our city manager

[47:24] can give us any updates as to how things are going because I know they were working on things.

[47:30] But for me, it was, let's take a look at what our priorities are and set those so that

[47:37] staff knows what direction to go in first. That's what you do in any transition in business.

[47:44] And that way they can work on that and get that one tackled and then move to the next.

[47:49] That was my thought. And I'm open to whatever council would like to do.

[47:54] but that was the original intent of this meeting.

[47:57] And then all the rest of that happens.

[48:00] That's great.

[48:01] Thank you.

[48:02] I think, and we have some remaining public participation

[48:06] cards as well.

[48:08] And so we've sort of opened public participation,

[48:11] allocated time for that presentation.

[48:15] Thank you, Mayor Pertem, for the overview.

[48:19] And I think you said that agenda.

[48:21] At this time Council, I think, do we want to hear the remaining public participation cards that we have less?

[48:29] Okay, so the order that I have is that's remaining Melissa Bass,

[48:38] please come forward.

[48:45] Hi everybody, I'm Melissa Bass, two, four, eight, coral drive and just first would like to clarify.

[48:53] I, the guys that were just here were talking about the use of KPU elementary, has something

[49:00] changed with who controls that property, because that's the county, they go to school board

[49:07] if they want to use that building, right?

[49:11] And also I would like to understand the idea of sharing facilities, especially something like

[49:20] cap center which is not a really large and these guys sound large like they're

[49:27] going to swallow a sweet little BCA that I really want here by the way I paint

[49:32] I like art I want them here I'm on that team but I just I think we might be

[49:40] getting all over the place again I just want to focus in and solve one

[49:47] problem at a time.

[49:49] Like, we've got the VCA here, which seems like if you could create an entity to take over

[49:56] that place, the Cape Center, and do it better than we did it, that's them.

[50:01] And these other people, if they have great things to bring to the city, although they sounded

[50:06] very tourist minded, talking hotels and stuff, there are a few things that concern me,

[50:11] I can't really read.

[50:12] Okay, one minute.

[50:14] And so, like if they want the elementary school, that's great, but that's a different thing.

[50:22] I just, I feel like, again, we're getting tangled up and we're not focusing on the issue

[50:27] and taking the lifeboats coming at us, like, can we stop circling and waiting and just take the gifts we are given

[50:36] and make some good happen here, please.

[50:38] I appreciate all of you, I know you're doing your best, and I want to work to get.

[50:46] Thank you, Miss Beth.

[50:50] Betsy Ronk.

[51:02] Betsy Ronk.

[51:03] 7-0-4-8 civil accord.

[51:06] And I want to address the issue of volunteerism.

[51:10] I'm currently on the Culture and Leadership Services Advisory Board for the City, and I've been

[51:14] that way for the past three years.

[51:17] And during that time, most of the discussion of the Board centered on services offered and revenue

[51:22] cost structure for the C5 and Nancy Hansen.

[51:25] It was obvious that council meetings in the past months that residents were very passionate about

[51:30] wanting to maintain the level of services that were offered at both facilities.

[51:35] But with a decrease in city staffing after October 1st, the level of service at both facilities

[51:40] has changed.

[51:41] But based upon all the residents who spoke so passionately about the need for keeping these

[51:46] services, now is the time for all of them to step up and help by becoming part of the

[51:51] volunteer community that I feel the city can and should adopt. I know this is something that is

[51:58] outside of the wheelhouse of the city manager and the remaining staff and it was as it was

[52:03] rarely needed to use volunteers in the past. But then why should they have had to when there was

[52:09] always plenty of staff? But now is the time when new and different ways of operating need to be

[52:15] discovered and thinking outside the typical government box is needed. As the city considers and

[52:21] designs of volunteer program which I recommend that they do, I ask them to look at the

[52:27] model used at our own Cape Canaveral Hospital.

[52:30] I volunteered there for the past five years and have contributed more than 600 hours in several departments.

[52:36] The model has been developed there as one that has shown to work smoothly and has saved the hospital millions of dollars in personnel costs.

[52:44] The hospital model gives volunteers substantial authority while maintaining high expectations for the quality of their work.

[52:51] Volunteers take great pride in serving the community and supporting the patient population.

[52:55] Cape Canaveral could foster the same mindset by emphasizing that volunteers are giving back

[53:00] to their fellow residents while helping contribute to the cost savings for the city.

[53:06] The hospital has one volunteer coordinator for approximately 200 volunteers.

[53:11] The coordinator for the city could be filled by either a volunteer or utilizing just a few

[53:16] hours of a city staff member's time.

[53:19] A successful volunteer program could help maintain the facilities, collect the usage fees,

[53:25] at both facilities which they're not doing today in accordance with the current fee schedule

[53:29] and keep the facilities fully open until a long-term solution is identified.

[53:35] The revenue collected could help to offset the maintenance costs.

[53:39] I have many ideas on how the aspects of a successful volunteer program can be adapted to work

[53:44] here at our two facilities and I would be more than happy to volunteer my time to help

[53:49] to establish the city's volunteer program,

[53:51] drawing on my experience with the current program used at health first.

[53:56] I thank you for your attention today.

[53:59] Thank you.

[54:02] Mr. Dan Kun.

[54:16] Dan Kun.

[54:16] Two, two, six.

[54:18] Polka Avenue.

[54:19] Don't know where to start on this raid, but that's okay.

[54:23] It was been quite a circus here.

[54:25] We got everybody coming in.

[54:28] All of a sudden wanted to do something we gave you.

[54:32] all of a sudden, want to do something to Cape Center?

[54:35] OK, whatever.

[54:37] We got a great offer from BCA, and we can't even take it.

[54:41] None of these offers has said anything.

[54:44] Anywhere near is detailed is what BCA has given us.

[54:48] We have a construction company, want to come in and build.

[54:52] We have an architect, want to come in and build.

[54:56] And we have the Space Center Air Force

[55:00] Sands wants the store stuff here for a while

[55:04] Until they get their museum back out there

[55:06] And I didn't sound like we want to come here

[55:09] And be a part of this community

[55:10] Like BCA is saying

[55:13] No, that's we want to store stuff here

[55:16] So, continue the charade

[55:18] My big point here that I wanted to stand up and say is

[55:22] We have this special council meeting

[55:25] It took a lot of effort to bring this together, it took some money, it took some time, it's taken everybody's time, and we have one topic here.

[55:34] What about the report?

[55:37] The Bavar County Sheriff's Report, that's finalized.

[55:41] This would be a perfect opportunity for you to have rolled that out to the community and discussed it prior to us voting.

[55:49] A good portion of this community has already voted in early voting in mail in and we'll never

[55:54] get to see that information until after it's out and they're done.

[56:01] What's the deal here?

[56:03] You said yourself, it's finalized, it's done, why can't we see it before the election?

[56:12] Thank

[56:17] you Mr. Clinton, Elvis and how many?

[56:29] Elvis, down many 421 Lincoln Avenue, Cape Canaveral.

[56:33] I think we really have a kind of a cut and dry thing.

[56:37] I think the citizens all want the BCA.

[56:41] They want the facilities run basically, even the way they run.

[56:46] Yes, we can't add volunteers like that one said, which is perfect.

[56:49] But we don't want to change them into a temporary museum or something else.

[56:54] If they want to go to elementary school, that's fine.

[56:56] But I know we have no power over that.

[56:58] We said it when the school was closed, but I think if you listen to the people that are here we want the BCA.

[57:07] I just don't understand why we're looking for other options.

[57:11] They will willing to do the Friday Fest, which is also in lieu of, let's say, your rent that we're worried about getting.

[57:18] That's going to probably make some way between $1500 to $2,000 a month.

[57:23] That will more than offset anything else that you can probably rent that too.

[57:27] and it will be a permanent thing in this community.

[57:32] Let's do it.

[57:38] Thank you, Mr. Vistnamony.

[57:39] And the last card I have is Ms. Quinnell and Hagar.

[57:41] Ms. Hagar is coming up.

[57:43] Please, we ask that you submit your card so that you're heard.

[57:51] I am going to one Hagar, 509, Washington.

[57:54] And I just want to give a shout out to Dune and her team for the wonderful job they're doing.

[57:58] Keeping our lawns cut and manicured well.

[58:02] I went by Benix Park today and I can't say enough about how beautiful

[58:05] beautiful it looks today and I'll be working with Amy to create a little clean up crew just

[58:10] to go through again and take out branches and things of that nature to keep our parks beautiful

[58:16] for everybody and I also want to add that I think a collaboration between VCA and Space Force

[58:23] takes us into the future. I think that both partners have a lot to offer us and I think between

[58:30] expertise between those two teams and plus the residents of our city could really put something

[58:36] together beautiful to take us into the future. Thank you. Thank you.

[58:43] I just got a card

[58:44] leave this an omni.

[58:48] Thank you, Miss Hagar.

[58:56] This is a 24-21 Lincoln Avenue Cape Canaveral. I also am in favor of a

[59:08] The board cultural lines took it over, take, for instance, Friday Fest.

[59:14] There was some kind of talk about, they would take it over, they would help facilitate it.

[59:21] But then the money they got saved for the booths that people have for Friday Fest, they

[59:27] run between $45 and $65, they would collect that money and return it back to the city

[59:34] or to a program within the city.

[59:37] That's a couple of thousand dollars.

[59:40] You have to think of that.

[59:41] That is their rent.

[59:44] Your people in your city, one Friday fest.

[59:47] We can't have it because we overspent money.

[59:50] We can have Friday fest.

[59:52] Our electric bill will be paid.

[59:54] Our water bill will be paid.

[59:55] Everybody will be a little bit happier.

[59:58] I recommend that a program for...

[1:00:00] For volunteers, I've worked with the Cape Canaveralite House since the 90s. We have a program. You go in, you sign in. You make your own

[1:00:09] hours. You have over 300 volunteers. Just very much like the hospital. It runs smoothly. And it is all volunteer. Nobody

[1:00:19] gets paid. As far as going out to that space. And I go out once a twice a week. It's huge. They have so much

[1:00:29] going on. If you don't know, go visit it. But right now, let's save our city. Let's save Friday

[1:00:36] Fest. Let's save the community that we all love and vote for a PCI please. May I ask

[1:00:43] you? Thank you.

[1:00:46] Mr. Prevella, I'm assuming that you want to speak again.

[1:00:53] I'm assuming you want

[1:00:54] to speak again. Is that what the card was? Okay, just make sure. Is there anyone else

[1:00:57] I'd like to speak. Okay. Okay. I need to take a recess here shortly, but I want to make sure we get through them all, so thank you.

[1:01:05] Mr. Mayor, thanks very much for allowing me. Now I'm speaking as chairman of the C&L board, as my vice chairman came up and let me correct one thing.

[1:01:15] We are collecting funds at the C5 building. We are not taking annual memberships, but we are taking in daily funds.

[1:01:24] So let me correct everyone on that and bring everyone up to speed.

[1:01:28] Nancy Hansen is a free facility that is correct.

[1:01:33] Lastly, as one gentleman said,

[1:01:37] the citizens are kind of in favor of the BCA coming into our Cape Center.

[1:01:44] You're all say, we listen to the citizens.

[1:01:48] I implore you, listen to the citizens.

[1:01:52] Thanks. Thank you very much. Please take your receipts.

[1:01:56] Thank you.

[1:01:59] Dr. Roberts, do you like to speak?

[1:02:02] Yes, I think it's important. We finish public participation and we'll come back and get to the item and thank you all for your time today.

[1:02:13] This will be real quick.

[1:02:16] This is more of a Shannon Roberts. It's of no three Solana Shores Drive here in the city.

[1:02:21] I just wanted to make an announcement that we're having a meet and greet for all the council candidates at the Redis and this Thursday from 5 to 7 and I just want to make sure that we acknowledge this with council staff and also the community that's present and certainly welcome everybody to come.

[1:02:40] It's not sponsored per se by a new physical group. It's trying to help support with the legal women voters usually does to have a candidate for them since we couldn't schedule that.

[1:02:49] We thought we would provide a forum where the community could meet and greet the candidates that are running.

[1:02:57] And it will be the format will be such that each candidate will give a two minutes to introduce themselves in their platform.

[1:03:03] And then there will be tables for each candidate will be there for the members of the community to go to those tables and ask any questions, discuss concerns, suggestions and that type of thing.

[1:03:13] So I just wanted to invite you all to come and obviously the community.

[1:03:17] and thank you for the opportunity to lead our city,

[1:03:21] the way you are and invite the input as you are doing.

[1:03:24] Thank you.

[1:03:25] Thank you, Dr. Roberts.

[1:03:30] Anyone else who'd like to speak during public participation?

[1:03:33] Again, thank you all.

[1:03:34] I know it's afternoon and we have a great community coming together

[1:03:38] to collaborate during this council with that.

[1:03:41] We're a little over an hour now.

[1:03:42] Let's take at least a five minute recess.

[1:03:44] We'll reconvene and get to the single action item we've had.

[1:03:48] Thank you.

[1:17:47] I will get started here in about a minute. As everyone gets settled in,

[1:19:31] Friday it is 222 p.m. I call the meeting back to order. We are in our October 27 special meeting here. We just took a recess and we finished the agenda items public participation.

[1:19:47] We were we broke and received a presentation did some questions and then opened back up to present public participation

[1:19:55] And now we are really I think at item number six, which is the item for action that I read earlier and

[1:20:03] Just to reiterate it's to provide direction to the city manager regarding immediate priorities for the continued operation of the C5

[1:20:10] Nancy Hansen Recreational Facility in Cape Center and identify opportunities to ensure continuity

[1:20:17] of services and programs.

[1:20:19] Mayor Perthum Jackson, just want to say thank you for calling the meeting and scheduling

[1:20:25] this.

[1:20:26] And most importantly, I want to thank our entire community for the public participation and

[1:20:31] the collaboration that we've had today.

[1:20:35] Mayor Perthem, is there anything else that at this point that you need to cover or what's your recommendation from here?

[1:20:44] Well, I just want to counsel's discussion because I know that we've got, I've had citizens come to me,

[1:20:52] given me feedback that with Nancy Hanson, because we're free and open on the play,

[1:20:58] that people from all over the county are coming and our citizens can't get on the court,

[1:21:04] so I've had people express that to me.

[1:21:07] I've had with the C5 people asking me, why if I come on November 5th and pay my membership

[1:21:17] that I'm only, I'm paying a month membership and I'm only getting three weeks because

[1:21:23] I didn't pay exactly on the first, I don't think that's fair.

[1:21:26] So I'm hearing these things coming to me from our community that goes to these sites, and

[1:21:36] there's those things that need to be addressed.

[1:21:39] Now, understand, we're having our volunteer meeting, going, you know, coming up soon and

[1:21:44] early November, and I'm happy that that's going to happen, but I thought getting an update

[1:21:52] from our city manager and then when you're a leader in a company that's going through a transition

[1:21:59] as the board or the directors or whatever, you give your staff and the people that are working

[1:22:07] with you on your team, clear goals and guidelines as to what you want covered first and that

[1:22:30] So I thought it would be wise for us as a board to define those after we discussed it on what council thinks is most important to be attacked first.

[1:22:44] And if that is something that everyone's interested in doing, then that's what this meeting was, that's the reason I call this meeting.

[1:22:53] Thank you very much.

[1:22:56] Council.

[1:22:57] Council member Willis.

[1:22:59] I think the first priority would be to finalize the volunteer program.

[1:23:05] Get that ironed out, solidified so that we know what the responsibilities are, what can

[1:23:12] happen, what needs special attention.

[1:23:18] As a 1A to that, I think we should have somebody like BCAA in the CAPE Center as well, but getting

[1:23:27] the volunteer program final solid, everyone understands the role and the responsibilities

[1:23:35] that they have, I think, this wrong brought up an excellent model for us to use, and I would

[1:23:42] to see that expedited.

[1:23:47] Thank you.

[1:23:53] Mr. Mayor. Yes, ma'am. I'm also going to

[1:23:56] Hagar has established the Cape Canaveral Main Street. She has had a meeting

[1:24:03] already. She set up the 501-3C. They have a steering committee for events and

[1:24:10] a steering committee for volunteers, for the different defense and people that

[1:24:16] have signed up, and I believe she'll be in that meeting as well, and I agree with Council Member

[1:24:24] Willis that volunteering, you know, finalizing that is important, but I will say this.

[1:24:32] Whatever council decides on the Caves Center, you know, it's one, I'm a one-of-five decision.

[1:24:39] But the question I have is, are we going to go through our procurement process per our city

[1:24:45] have, are we just going to award a contract?

[1:24:50] Because I did look that up, because I want

[1:24:52] to make sure I'm doing the right thing. And there's a process to this. So I want to make

[1:24:58] sure we're doing the right thing. And so what is correct with this situation and that

[1:25:07] not even be better said for you for your city attorney? I don't know. But I want to make sure

[1:25:14] where he's in the process to find my city code.

[1:25:20] If I can interject.

[1:25:22] I think that the city attorney already gave us his opinion on that earlier on when he said that

[1:25:28] this did not require a proposal or bid for proposal or et cetera, because of the CRA connection with it.

[1:25:38] And maybe our city attorney can make that clear.

[1:25:44] Thank you.

[1:25:47] And I'm wondering because what I read in the CRA, you can't do building maintenance with it.

[1:25:52] So, I want to make sure we have all these things to find, and that we're doing legally,

[1:25:57] the prudent thing, that we're not doing something, and I know we've got to get sitting here just so I'm not telling you anything,

[1:26:03] but I want to understand it as someone that's voting on it.

[1:26:06] That's why I've said it all along and have questions, and I do.

[1:26:09] because the CRA indicates building maintenance is not something that's covered, so I would

[1:26:17] like to, you know, get some more definition on how it's covered between the CRA contract

[1:26:28] and our code and make sure that we are not supposed to move forward with more than one

[1:26:36] But I think it's prudent to go ahead and get more vendors.

[1:26:41] It's not like that building's on fire.

[1:26:44] Let's get and make a sound decision because having one vendor

[1:26:50] is to me is never the way that you do things with a contract.

[1:26:55] Now that doesn't mean, like I said before,

[1:26:57] I don't want to accommodate DCA.

[1:27:00] I think the arts is a wonderful thing.

[1:27:02] I have certain things within the arts community.

[1:27:05] I love. We all have our certain things. But I think that we need to make sure we're being

[1:27:12] prudent. We have space and buildings available, but this building is $500 a square foot almost

[1:27:22] in the cost of it. And we need to make, and it's the building that we would make, be able

[1:27:27] to make money on to help fund some of these things that we're wanting to do.

[1:27:34] So that's all I have to say, Mr. Mayor, I just want to make sure that we are following

[1:27:41] our process as right, we're looking at options, because I'm not accustomed to making

[1:27:47] a so-contract decision on one contract.

[1:27:52] Thank you.

[1:27:56] Any other comments at this time?

[1:27:59] I'd like to see is all three facilities that RFP or whatever kind of solicitation we have

[1:28:05] get proposals and just see what else is out there before we do anything.

[1:28:09] Whether it's one organization has all three or three separate ones.

[1:28:15] Let's put up an RFP and see what there's any other interest in the facilities.

[1:28:21] I'm City Attorney, can you clarify for us where we are with this?

[1:28:26] Where we stand with this building that was built with CRA renovated with CRA funds and does

[1:28:32] the same rule applies that requires an RFP. I'm confused on this. Could you clarify for us, please?

[1:28:42] Well, I have to ask the same question back to you all. One of you all clarify what it is you want to use those facilities for.

[1:28:52] Well, in particular, the capes that are I'm just focused on that right now.

[1:28:56] has the same question. What do you want to use that facility for?

[1:29:01] I think that's a fair question. I think that's the question that drives the whole additional

[1:29:06] discussion. I mean, you had one proposal that was structured in a way to facilitate arts and

[1:29:13] culture exhibits exactly what the CRA expanded the money to renovate the property for and

[1:29:21] to provide the same exact services for nothing,

[1:29:25] essentially volunteer services for arts and exhibits.

[1:29:32] So if that is not what the Council wants to do

[1:29:34] with the Cape Center, then provide the direction

[1:29:37] as to what you want the Cape Center to be potentially

[1:29:40] utilized for, or if this, the Council wants to

[1:29:51] then you certainly can do that.

[1:29:54] Now, I would advise you if you're going to do that, I mean, that's aimless.

[1:29:58] Who knows what you might get.

[1:30:00] And that you could provide to the manager and myself, and we'll help you get to wherever it is you want to go.

[1:30:07] Thank you.

[1:30:16] Councilmember King, did that answer your question?

[1:30:19] Yes, thank you.

[1:30:21] Thank you.

[1:30:25] Yeah, I think my brain is in two places. We heard some great public comments today.

[1:30:32] I want to make sure we have enough time to, I think, respond to a few of them.

[1:30:43] I think what I am is that the provide cultural alliance, as I said in the last meeting

[1:30:53] and I remain today, when it comes to arts, is second to none, and so I think BCA is absolutely

[1:31:03] qualified.

[1:31:04] The Dr. Gruber pointed out a few things that I think identifies in the public participation.

[1:31:17] Exactly, I think where I am is, yes, it's hard to make a quick decision,

[1:31:26] And because

[1:31:28] this facility,

[1:31:33] if barbarred cultural alliance is the right fit, I think there's

[1:31:41] some specific questions and I can't remember King's question, I appreciate and I would

[1:31:49] is add to it to answer your question, city attorney, is if we do not know, it's the Cape

[1:32:02] Center, culture, arts, preservation, and enrichment.

[1:32:10] What is the process that we were procedure

[1:32:14] where we were going down under the recommended proposal is one way.

[1:32:23] Is there another way that we could follow in typically public procurement in my experience,

[1:32:34] especially when leasing land requires, I believe, an ordinance of some sort, city attorney.

[1:32:45] I think, to answer your question, I wouldn't say it's a wide net to anything and everything.

[1:32:53] I'd like for it to stay focused. It's old city hall. It's a special place to this community.

[1:32:59] BCA is absolutely a qualified candidate. If we put something, what is the procedure?

[1:33:08] And frankly, there was scrutiny on not approving the

[1:33:15] Provard Cultural Alliance agreement immediately.

[1:33:20] And I thought that the traditional procedures

[1:33:28] Would require some sort of bid, and it can be narrow

[1:33:32] And specific that doesn't open it up to everyone.

[1:33:36] originally I said in RFI, you know, and then I think we talked about that and said we don't

[1:33:42] want to do that, but that's my question. Can we go forward with in RFP that Bernard

[1:33:53] Culture Alliance could pursue and consider? And I think the timeline with that is important.

[1:34:02] I think Council Member Schorriac said it, he just wants to see the options that are out there.

[1:34:09] I don't think anyone in here has said that BCA is not qualified,

[1:34:15] but we want to, when we're talking about public facilities,

[1:34:22] the way that we were, the path we were going down might be legal and fine, but it's not the only path.

[1:34:29] And so we keep talking about RFP, is there a concern with going to an RFP, with the

[1:34:36] narrow focus of what the Cape Center is, culture, arts, preservation, and enrichment, could

[1:34:42] we ride an RFP that outlines that we do not want a, you know, a restaurant, I think, to come

[1:34:51] there, or any really traditional business use,

[1:34:59] but that's it, that's it, that is the main point

[1:35:05] of my my question to council is what do you want, let's use the Cape Center, right?

[1:35:12] We'll stay on the Cape Center topic, what is this board want to see in that space?

[1:35:19] If you have no idea what you want, and you want to open it up and cast a wide net to

[1:35:28] get proposals, certainly you can do that.

[1:35:32] My guess is it won't satisfy your expectations.

[1:35:37] If you have expectations, then you cast a narrow net and try to get exactly what it is

[1:35:44] looking for in terms of an occupant of that space.

[1:35:52] So you can handle the RFP and that's

[1:35:54] certainly fair. You can put an RFP out there. Just tell us how you want that to look

[1:36:01] generally. You want the wide net and who knows what you might get or do you want to narrow the

[1:36:08] scope of the request that you want to entertain evaluating, you know, defining the purpose of

[1:36:18] what you're looking for.

[1:36:21] What disowning its public use, I believe we re-zoned that, it is public use as part of the

[1:36:28] city hall campus, you know, and another point too is you should not lose sight of the redevelopment

[1:36:35] plan, because whatever that building is used for needs to be consistent with the redevelopment

[1:36:45] plan, because it's within the CRA area. It's been the renovations have been funded

[1:36:53] with CRA funds.

[1:36:57] So there are limitations for use, has to be consistent with the redevelopment

[1:37:03] plan. And you certainly can go the RFP process, see what you get for proposals and if one

[1:37:30] The proposal, whether it's a lease and operating agreement, a sale? I don't know. I mean, that's for you to decide.

[1:37:38] Okay, so that's very helpful. Thank you. I think we have zoning restrictions that when we talk about a wide net, zoning is going to bring it in to a very specific set of uses.

[1:37:51] And then you raise the second layer, the CRA plan, which I think really narrows it down and would take it away from anything that I would call a wide net, especially from public perception.

[1:38:10] Council, knowing, do we have the ability to pull up some of the big terms of the CRA plan

[1:38:18] right now on what those limitations are?

[1:38:21] I think zoning public use is pretty clear, city attorney, you can help, but I mean any public

[1:38:29] use of federal state or city or county could come in under public, right?

[1:38:37] I mean, frankly,

[1:38:42] if there was some proposal that was inconsistent with the zoning, but consistent

[1:38:47] with redevelopment plan, the city council is part of accepting any proposal, could

[1:38:53] rezone the property.

[1:38:54] I don't know if you would want to do that, but that's not prohibited.

[1:38:59] A rezoning is not prohibited to facilitate a use as long as it's consistent with the redevelopment.

[1:39:07] plan. Okay, so we would then let's prioritize the, I mean, not theoretically, I think we could change the CRA plan too.

[1:39:14] I don't, I'm trying to work with not anticipating any changes, disowning or CRA plan and say,

[1:39:21] what is, how wide is that net?

[1:39:26] Um, with the CRA plan, do we have just an overview of what that,

[1:39:31] that's the 2012 or 2014 presentation on that? I think a while ago, a couple years ago,

[1:39:39] if you recall, I do. I don't remember exactly the highlights on it. Let me see if I can pull up the CRA plant.

[1:39:51] Yeah, and while you're doing that, I just want to cover something that's really important.

[1:39:56] We're talking, and I don't know if this is what you meant,

[1:39:59] Mayor Perdemony said on fire the building it's not priority so if you read any media headline

[1:40:07] if you read any comments no one I think is stating that the city of Cape Canaveral cannot

[1:40:15] they have a old city hall the new Cape Center is not open. I think everything was about

[1:40:23] All facilities are going to close.

[1:40:25] There's not going to be this issue.

[1:40:27] There's quote-unquote missing money in debt.

[1:40:33] In all of those things, I think, are inaccurate.

[1:40:36] Today, we stand and Nancy Hansen, C5, Cape Center,

[1:40:40] two of the three are open.

[1:40:43] They are functioning.

[1:40:44] We've seen the spirit and generosity of our community.

[1:40:48] Police, fire, essential services, are fully funded.

[1:40:52] It would not, we've seen a reversal in the trend of our reserves.

[1:40:58] We are now seeing for the first time, our finances, and we're going to have to play this

[1:41:04] out through the end of the year, but we're going to end with a positive, hopefully, fun

[1:41:10] balance on a sign reserve.

[1:41:13] It's going to be difficult, but I think we've reversed the trend.

[1:41:17] our debt has diminished and the general fund and will almost be completely out of debt.

[1:41:23] And so I think we are on a positive trend undeniable by the data and the facts subject

[1:41:31] to our auditor in this year, but the issue was that the financial circumstance of deficit

[1:41:40] spending for years with borrowing from reserves, and so what we had to do in all the tough

[1:41:45] decisions we made was really about the finances of the city. And we have reduced three million

[1:41:53] dollars and expenses. We came in with 20 million and expenses with about 16, 17 and

[1:42:00] revenue. We've now balanced a budget, a structural balanced budget. Probably the first

[1:42:08] time in 15 years that we've had a structurally balanced budget, not something that looked

[1:42:13] balanced on paper, it's actually balanced thanks to our

[1:42:17] finance director, city manager and everyone who has been

[1:42:21] involved. And so the Cape Center was a financial decision.

[1:42:27] That facility cost us $125,000 roughly to keep

[1:42:33] two things happen. That's what it costs for the city to keep the

[1:42:37] doors open. We closed the doors. We kept the other two facilities

[1:42:42] open, but we closed the doors just on this one since this is one of the three facilities.

[1:42:49] And the cost dropped about a hundred thousand, so I think it was 20, 25,000 to close the doors.

[1:42:57] We have the opportunity was brought to us with the Bernard culture alliance to take roughly

[1:43:06] 20, 25,000 and cut that in half by absorbing the water and electric bill.

[1:43:16] And so it was like preventative maintenance we were still needed to do on the air conditioning.

[1:43:22] We still had, I think, general property insurance.

[1:43:24] We still had lawn and maintenance.

[1:43:27] Provard cultural lines would pay the utilities.

[1:43:30] But we also had an unknown number that we responsibly should have budgeted for, which is

[1:43:35] anything that breaks as landlords, we would be responsible to pay.

[1:43:40] And so I would think we would need at least five to 10,000.

[1:43:43] My big point is this, with the doors closed, it cost us about the same money as it would

[1:43:52] with Brevard culture alliance.

[1:43:55] So to me, that's a no-brainer.

[1:43:58] If it's going to cost you the same money, you would go with Brevard culture alliance and actually

[1:44:03] have the doors open. But that wasn't the big pain point for us. Out of all three facilities,

[1:44:09] the Cape Center was the one facility that was not a major pain point from a finance perspective

[1:44:17] for our community. Huge opportunity from a very credible organization. But like Dr. Robert said,

[1:44:25] My thought is we would open, I think, this up to not space, not

[1:44:31] barvard cultural alliance, but work within our zoning work within our CRA

[1:44:36] plan, knowing we could theoretically change both of those, but I don't really want to do that,

[1:44:41] because I want to preserve that, and that's the history is really important to this community.

[1:44:46] And so I just want to emphasize that we had a financial challenge, not that the capes

[1:44:52] or wasn't open challenge, and there's not a big difference from having

[1:44:58] Art culture alliance.

[1:44:59] Operating.

[1:45:00] We have to take care of it, and I think it's well worth it. The issues that we heard on a kind of a two-two-split

[1:45:08] and I was sitting back listening was, but what other opportunities are out there? I think Council Member

[1:45:12] Shoryak was on the phone that night and he said, hey, I think this is great, but we're going down this road.

[1:45:20] And so today I appreciate Mayor Pertham. You're bringing this forward because the Cape Center, out of the three is one, we have an

[1:45:28] opportunity with provar cultural alliance, I think our city attorney has said, it would be wise

[1:45:33] of us to take it facility by facility and say, what do we want to do? I think Nancy

[1:45:42] Hansen out of all three facilities, in my opinion, and according to the feedback was the most

[1:45:48] important to this community. And that's why volunteers rallied and came together thankfully and

[1:45:56] facility is operating under a different model, C5, thinks our city manager and staff is operating

[1:46:03] under a different model. And the Cape Center is the third I think is priority. The other

[1:46:11] two actually produced revenue. And so from a finance standpoint, it was not there. And so we

[1:46:22] have a financial problem.

[1:46:24] Tallahassee is not going to say, hey, why is the Cape Center not open?

[1:46:29] They're going to say, did you reverse the trend?

[1:46:31] And I want everyone to know that today, in our last meeting, if you go back and listen, we

[1:46:37] made this council credit to the entire council and staff, we are on track to reverse the trend.

[1:46:44] And we made decisions based on assets we found, based on expenditures that we see that

[1:46:52] can reduce. And so I'm enthusiastic about this. I'm excited. I want to do it. But I am not

[1:47:00] one to state that if scrutiny is for anything, it would be that we just made a decision with

[1:47:09] one organization without going through the traditional procurement process. I'm not questioning

[1:47:15] the path or city attorney brought forward. But my thought is that if you want to avoid

[1:47:24] any scrutiny of anything of favoritism or anything, it would be to go to bid. And I'm

[1:47:33] with Council Member Shoryex Statement. I think all facilities should be forbid. Even if

[1:47:43] we love one organization, I would say in that circumstance we should do the absolute quickest

[1:47:50] expedited bid to make sure we're looking at it in the way that we want.

[1:47:57] And with that city attorney, the zoning, the CRA plan, if assuming we don't change

[1:48:06] either one of those, could we draft a bid and what would that look like as far as a quote

[1:48:13] unquote white net, but we have limits, it can't be too wide, can't be a gas station, you

[1:48:20] know?

[1:48:21] All right.

[1:48:22] Well, it has to be, I mean, it has to be, the way you do this is consistent with the

[1:48:25] plan.

[1:48:25] This is not traditional procurement, let's not fool ourselves.

[1:48:28] This is CRA, this is redevelopment activities, it's governed by the redevelopment

[1:48:32] act.

[1:48:33] Okay, this is redevelopment strategies.

[1:48:35] this council 15 years ago adopted a CRA plan, the city council approved it, the CRA board approved it,

[1:48:44] you all directed when that plan was approved to implement it. Period end of story. Okay? So that is that is the policy adopted by the city.

[1:48:55] So in terms of uses, the CRA plan identifies some of the uses.

[1:49:03] There's a lot of other redevelopment activities in the plan that are just not relevant

[1:49:08] to this discussion.

[1:49:09] First and foremost, one of the one that is under the heading of catalyst projects, public

[1:49:15] private partnerships, a public private partnership describing the scratch of government service

[1:49:21] private business venture funded and operated through a partnership of government and one or more

[1:49:27] private sector companies. Risk and reward are shared and joint contract for services or redevelopment.

[1:49:33] That should sound familiar. Public parking facilities, shared off site, stormwater retention.

[1:49:40] We've had some discussion about using the parking lot out there for stormwater.

[1:49:46] town center projects can have a lack of traditional down town therefore a communal focal point

[1:49:55] is would be like an eligible project.

[1:50:02] So you got Parks and Rec open space, beautification

[1:50:05] opportunities, partnership to improve services and facilities. It's kind of utility related.

[1:50:14] What was the last one I'm sorry to them?

[1:50:17] I said the Council interim was the next one.

[1:50:19] There was partnership to improve services and facilities

[1:50:23] that that's, let's see if that's limited to utilities.

[1:50:27] With all appropriate government and private utilities,

[1:50:30] yeah to ensure adequate public and utility services.

[1:50:34] I'm not sure that's what you're really looking for

[1:50:37] to use the Cape Center.

[1:50:39] Bringing in some sort of utility would be consistent with the plan.

[1:50:44] So, I mean, those are really, in terms of uses, you know, I think, you know, those public

[1:50:52] private partnerships, for all types of certain, you know, government services and private

[1:50:57] venture business ventures, you know, also, you know, possibly bringing in certain catalyst

[1:51:04] businesses into the CRA would be probably be eligible for redevelopment activity under the existing plan.

[1:51:19] What do you mean by catalyst business? Something that brings in business opportunities,

[1:51:27] a catalyst for future redevelopment, a catalyst for future economic development, a incubator,

[1:51:35] incubator would probably qualify

[1:51:41] so that I mean those are because you know the

[1:51:46] CRA plan does talk about you know business and development assistance you know

[1:51:51] catalyst businesses so I mean those are all kind of you know fair game under the

[1:51:57] under the existing plan okay so public parking very specific stormwater

[1:52:04] various specific I think stormwater could be a component of anything other private

[1:52:08] partnership is a big one that that one to me I mean you can satisfy a few of these within one potential

[1:52:18] partnership you could we could form a public private partnership

[1:52:23] and still accomplish some of the things within the town center right and or or other items

[1:52:30] Okay. To me, it would make sense to, can we talk about if an RFP went out, what a typical timeline would be from, just say, this day, if direction was given to issuing the RFP response time, and then realistic on when something could be solidified.

[1:52:56] And within those definitions, it's my opinion, I mean utility partnership, I agree with you

[1:53:05] City Attorney, I don't think that's it.

[1:53:07] I think the public-private partnership is absolutely of interest, and it

[1:53:16] doesn't really

[1:53:17] limit the type of public-private partnership, right?

[1:53:23] But if it can check other boxes, that's a win.

[1:53:27] But what is, because I think it's important for RFP,

[1:53:31] what is a typical timeline for something like this,

[1:53:36] assuming it stayed within the limitations

[1:53:39] and the criteria of the CRA plane and zoning?

[1:53:42] The pens on how much review of Council wants

[1:53:45] to the RFP, but I would say at least 30 days

[1:53:50] to draft it, I would say, take 30 days to get on

[1:53:54] Council agenda to review, provide comments, another couple of weeks to get it published, another

[1:54:01] 30 day has to stay out there minimum 30 days. Then I would say you would need the 45 days

[1:54:09] to look through proposals as soon as you get multiple proposals. Get that on a agenda for discussion

[1:54:17] and consideration for direction and, you know, so that takes you out maybe at least 90 days, right?

[1:54:27] So, once you get that direction, then you got to do all of the legal instruments and documents,

[1:54:33] and lay all of that out.

[1:54:36] I mean, that could take depending on the complexity of it.

[1:54:39] It could be anywhere from 30 days to, I mean, for crying all out,

[1:54:43] I mean, it took me nine months to negotiate a redevelopment agreement in one community with a lot of staff members time invested in it because of the complexity of the project.

[1:54:56] So, I mean, it depends.

[1:54:58] So, you're looking at least, you know,

[1:55:02] to get to an agreement, at least six months, five months probably.

[1:55:07] And then, yeah, you got to take into consideration if you're going to look at the Cape

[1:55:11] Center as it just the Cape Center building itself, or you're looking to expand the

[1:55:15] opportunities for redevelopment to the vacant land that's next door, which was acquired

[1:55:20] using CRA funds. I mean, is that part of consideration for proposals? Or is that just

[1:55:27] stay separate in a part for now? I mean, you have to give direction on that. Yeah, then you're

[1:55:37] You know, sometimes it's not going to be a nice fit.

[1:55:39] You got an existing building that was clearly designed for, you know, art exhibits, you

[1:55:46] know, depending on what kind of proposals you get.

[1:55:48] I mean, they're going to be the, there may be discussions about having to do a complete

[1:55:52] re-cutting and, you know, negotiating what the terms and conditions of that are going to

[1:55:57] look like.

[1:55:58] I guarantee you whoever submits a proposal is going to ask you for money is going to ask

[1:56:03] you for tiff funds to do the tenant improvements necessary to convert the property

[1:56:07] of something other than rehab, art and exhibits,

[1:56:11] many of the whole host of issues that could take

[1:56:12] add to the timeline.

[1:56:15] And I don't tell you that's the bog you'd

[1:56:16] die, and I tell you that's just so you have a

[1:56:19] realistic expectation of timeframes

[1:56:23] potentially.

[1:56:25] Okay, so I think the first thing that jumps out to me

[1:56:28] is that when you asked what does the council want?

[1:56:32] My opinion is we would draft a proposal

[1:56:35] that would not bind the city to do any of those things.

[1:56:39] And so it would narrow it down.

[1:56:41] We are not interested in tiff funds to make any improvements.

[1:56:46] We are interested in maintaining the structure of the facility.

[1:56:50] We're interested in keeping it as is.

[1:56:54] We want to stay within the CRA plan.

[1:56:56] And I think that's, we're talking 30 days to drafts, so if we're in October, just say it's late in November or early December, and then the idea of reviewing it, if it went out in 60 days, January, I think,

[1:57:25] We would have, by Q1, we could have something to this council to consider contracting.

[1:57:37] And I understand the worst case, I understand the complexities of others with six months.

[1:57:42] But my opinion is we would not be interested in making investments in major modifications.

[1:57:48] again, the priority right now is to get the city financially healthy, but also respect.

[1:57:55] This isn't the way to get the city financially healthy, but it's also, I can't see a difference

[1:58:03] in the cost to keep it closed than the cost to keep it open, because like you said, that

[1:58:11] contract was written for BCA that we would be responsible for making any repairs or issues.

[1:58:18] Well, no, no, no.

[1:58:19] The two, there were two issues that were presented and that's going to be another question

[1:58:24] I have for you.

[1:58:25] What was presented to you was the BCA agreement between the CRA and BCA.

[1:58:33] Under a presumption that the City Council and the CRA board were interested in entering

[1:58:40] into a lease arrangement whereby the city would lease the property to the CRA and then the

[1:58:45] CRA would enter into the operating agreement with BCA. That's the way that was structured.

[1:58:51] That was structured that way. It's two separate mutually exclusive issues.

[1:58:58] The city did not

[1:59:01] have to enter into a lease agreement with the CRA in order to do an agreement with BCA.

[1:59:06] The city could have entered into the agreement with BCA and just kicked the lease to the curb and not even do the lease.

[1:59:14] The lease was only there to help offset the impact that the building may have in the future on the city's general fund because you all have general fund issues.

[1:59:26] That was a way to shift the building maintenance to the CRA.

[1:59:32] to help the general fund. You don't need to do that. So there's no need for the lease.

[1:59:46] So my question to you would be, and nobody's mentioned it. So we go out for an RFP

[1:59:52] for the Cape Center. I haven't heard anyone mention, and I just want to cross it off the

[1:59:58] the city who owned

[2:00:00] It's the property. It's not interested in selling that property as part of the entertain any proposals to sell the property. Are you?

[2:00:08] Council, the question city attorney.

[2:00:13] I don't think we're open to all ideas.

[2:00:17] I disagree about selling the property.

[2:00:19] Well, let's speak as individuals. I think I just did.

[2:00:25] Absolutely did. I'm not saying you did not. I think Councilmember Shoryak, you're open. Councilmember King, you are not open.

[2:00:36] I'm not interested in selling the property. I can say that.

[2:00:40] I would prefer that we keep the properties.

[2:00:44] Yes.

[2:00:45] That's an important point because when you put these RAPs, they're going to ask.

[2:00:49] Right, and if we're going to participate in this endeavor, I mean, is there a sale involved?

[2:00:57] So, if you go out for an RP, I'm hearing at least three of you saying no, there's no sale.

[2:01:03] So, it's either going to be some sort of like lease arrangement that you would be seeking proposals for or an operating agreement.

[2:01:16] Was that fair?

[2:01:17] That's a question I have because the first contract that we received was a lease agreement for a dollar a year.

[2:01:24] The second contract was or was it was for an operating contract.

[2:01:29] Okay. So those two contracts, you know, when we challenge terms, you kind of changed it, right?

[2:01:36] I just want to make sure I understand.

[2:01:37] I'm going to make sure I'm clear because I've said it a few times and I said it during the meetings.

[2:01:42] I mean, scratched that whole arrangement if that's what you're not interested in doing.

[2:01:48] The lease was just a mechanism to assist the city's financial situation with the maintenance of the building.

[2:01:59] Right now, something happens to that building that requires repair, the city has to pay for that.

[2:02:04] So the lease arrangement was just the added benefit, at least to take the pressure off the city's general fund to pay for the long term building maintenance.

[2:02:16] So scratch that completely.

[2:02:21] If you go out for an RFP, the city could directly enter into a lease or an operating agreement with some entity that submits a proposal to your liking.

[2:02:31] In the case of if we did that, just as an auction, I'm just trying to understand, then we

[2:02:38] could no go-shay for maintenance be included in that contract.

[2:02:44] Well, most of course, a lot of commercial locations do that, you know, in contracts with real estate.

[2:02:50] But my understanding is this isn't a commercial building?

[2:02:53] No, it's not, but I'm just using an example.

[2:02:57] I would say it's negotiable, but there are, you know, there are commercial lease industry standards, right?

[2:03:07] And you'll be up against, but you know, I certainly can negotiate anything.

[2:03:18] Yes, please, can we simplify it to the point where we put out an RFP to operate the C5 and the Nancy Hanson for purposes that the residents need,

[2:03:30] such as athletic recreational facilities operating those facilities on our behalf taking over the responsibilities for operating them.

[2:03:44] And then we put out our RFP if we have to for cultural influence on the Cape Center.

[2:03:53] Would those be simplified RFPs?

[2:03:59] If you want to answer it, that's very simple.

[2:04:04] It goes to my question.

[2:04:06] What do you want those buildings to be used for?

[2:04:09] And if you have clear direction on what you want,

[2:04:13] then you ask the public to submit proposals for what you want.

[2:04:20] It appears to me that the public wants the recreational facilities.

[2:04:24] facilities. They are interested in those. They're interested in the cultural facility.

[2:04:31] That is what they're after. That is what I hear anyway.

[2:04:38] We literally asked for that earlier in the year for operational and contract to provide

[2:04:44] this for its management services. Now, I think personally, that would be really a good

[2:04:50] to have some bits for that if we give it all possible for our volunteers when they start meeting,

[2:04:59] because we need to look and see, is there any way to supplement them or do we just strictly use them?

[2:05:07] But if we're not looking at all of our options for those, we're C5 and Nancy Hanson,

[2:05:13] then we need to have that together so that when volunteers are looking at covering those two

[2:05:19] facilities, we know what the cost is for the volunteers and we know what the cost would be

[2:05:26] for the city and what options we have. You need to consider all the options. So I'm in

[2:05:31] favor of what Councilmember Willis is saying as far as getting some bit information on that

[2:05:37] because Councilmember Shoryak offered him or said in March about key fobs. I've asked about

[2:05:44] sports manager and I think that's a good thing for us to follow up on.

[2:05:50] Yeah, I think the Cape Center is close to the Cape Center as possible.

[2:05:55] I think there's nothing in my brain outside of what the Cape Center was.

[2:06:01] It's a part of our history.

[2:06:03] I think BCA would absolutely meet the requirement.

[2:06:09] I think the C5 recreation agreed. Stay within that box and so drafting an RFP. Yeah, I went through

[2:06:21] a phase way back where I said RFI opened any ideas never was it to ever sell any building.

[2:06:27] It was just I don't want to think that I know at all. I think there's other ideas, but there's

[2:06:32] nothing that would, I think, change, the best case for us would be put it out, stay within

[2:06:40] the mission of those buildings and the services that they provide today, that's what

[2:06:47] we're saying. And I think that awarding it is close to its current use is going to have

[2:06:57] priority for the council potentially, right? If you come in with something outside

[2:07:02] the box. Okay, we'll look at that, but the closer you are aligned, the higher probability,

[2:07:09] I think, for this council to award it. That's a very good creative idea. I mean,

[2:07:18] you can prioritize and say, this is what we're looking for. And I think as you said,

[2:07:25] to try to stick to the current use of those facilities,

[2:07:30] We can add something to it that if you add some other creative proposal by all means submit it, but that's not a priority.

[2:07:30] that's prayer.

[2:07:40] Yeah, basically.

[2:07:41] Not really closing the door, but you are prioritizing.

[2:07:44] So it gives the benefit of an RFI just kind of open. But yes, if it could be worded to go, we never even thought of that.

[2:07:52] We all set up here and said we want to keep it, I agree with what Mayor Pertem and Council member Willis has said here is that I'm here in the same things from the community.

[2:08:04] I think that's exactly what they want to do.

[2:08:07] Mr. Mayor?

[2:08:08] Yes, Mayor, I think Council member Willis.

[2:08:10] I think to provide direction to the city manager would be to prioritize solidifying a volunteer effort for the existing facilities

[2:08:20] because RFPs or RFIs to your point might take six months. We don't want those facilities

[2:08:31] to be hobbled in that period. So we want the residents to be able to utilize those things

[2:08:39] to the full extent as possible. And I think that should be the order of priority for the city manager.

[2:08:50] So,

[2:08:54] what we've heard about volunteers in the willingness and generosity and desire is as we're

[2:09:00] going out potentially to, we will have continuity with the local support we have and

[2:09:10] okay, I think that's good.

[2:09:14] So I think the city attorney and city manager look in for specific direction.

[2:09:21] I think it's best we, I mean we can't take our eyes off all the facilities, but especially

[2:09:27] with the Cape Center,

[2:09:31] trying to stay as close to the purpose of it today is I think preference

[2:09:39] and writing what an RFP would look like, that I think was short in the timeline of the RFP as well.

[2:09:48] And City Attorney said we could potentially have something in there that we are open to outside ideas,

[2:09:55] but we want to be clear to set expectations.

[2:10:01] We want to try to maintain, it's basically maintaining the same level of service or similar level of service under a different model.

[2:10:09] We're not the operators in-house, we're going to have some sort of arrangement that provides

[2:10:18] the service level in a different manner.

[2:10:22] If we can get clarity on that, or at least I'm sort of consensus that would be helpful,

[2:10:31] is there any desire to change significantly, change the use of the facilities?

[2:10:36] And if there is, I think we could put a proposal out that welcomes those ideas, but it's

[2:10:44] going to have to get past a majority and a majority that may not be the same majority here

[2:10:51] today.

[2:10:52] I mean, we're talking in a couple of weeks, which is another reason I have caution.

[2:10:56] So, respecting.

[2:10:57] And if I can add to that, I think I suspect that that's why you're stalling.

[2:11:03] You want to see what happens after the election to see if you have the votes that you need to have to make this thing work

[2:11:11] We've been over this territory time and time. We've we've devoted hours to this discussion and we have gotten no further than we are today

[2:11:21] and I

[2:11:22] And I question your your motivation for for

[2:11:26] shifting through all of this granular information when our city attorney has already said

[2:11:33] there's no need to do this. We can move forward with this now. One and done. Isn't that an

[2:11:40] expression? One and done. Let's get it done. Okay, I'm going to speak up to this. Please, too. I can't

[2:11:47] wait to hear what you have to say. This, what this meeting wasn't supposed to be about Cape

[2:11:53] center. It's supposed to be setting priorities for which building do we want to attack first,

[2:12:00] which one has the most need? Who took it offline?

[2:12:03] We have to have a order. I welcome the dialogue, but we do need to let each other finish, please.

[2:12:10] So that's what my intention was. Now, one thing that we've learned today, there is interest in

[2:12:17] facilities that we have all over the city, not just in one building. We have people that are

[2:12:26] interested if we are not forward thinking enough to look at opportunities and ensure the well-being

[2:12:33] of our city with the decisions that we make going forward. But as far as the BCA, unfortunately that

[2:12:42] side when we had a vote in the last meeting that was called the question was called, so we

[2:12:50] didn't get to discuss it. This meeting was not to discuss BCA. This meeting is to discuss

[2:12:57] opportunities for sitting with multiple buildings and to set a priority for our city manager.

[2:13:04] Because as long as this keeps going on, they're set up for failure. And I don't agree with

[2:13:09] I think we need to be clear on what we want to do.

[2:13:13] Now, I would love to see attendance figures if we're going to go this route.

[2:13:17] How many people are even attending the Cave Center?

[2:13:22] Mr. Mayor, you said Cape is a culture, arts, preservation, environment, is that management, enrichment.

[2:13:30] Okay, so as we look forward, are you saying just the arts, if we put it out at RFP,

[2:13:35] We need to make sure that we look at our opportunities in our city.

[2:13:40] We have a responsibility to our citizens to make sure we accommodate every one of them we can

[2:13:49] BCA as well as any other opportunities that may make us better.

[2:13:54] And we've got to be forward thinking because we've got to get many together to shore up our infrastructure.

[2:14:00] And so all of this is saying it's for this or that, no, this is what my meeting and actually I'm sitting here getting fairly aggravated because I'm sitting through another meeting focusing on a contract that died in the last meeting and it was not listed as a BCA thing on my agenda and here we go.

[2:14:23] Well, we're trying to respond to that.

[2:14:26] This is not being forward thinking at all.

[2:14:29] As a matter of fact, we just keep backing up, backing up, backing up,

[2:14:33] and we're not moving forward at all.

[2:14:36] We heard these gentlemen, and what they had to say was so exciting.

[2:14:41] I thought, wow, we could really do some wonderful things with them.

[2:14:45] We have the facilities if we get the BCA in here,

[2:14:49] and by the way, they know how to market.

[2:14:51] If we didn't have very many people coming into that Kate Center, it was because nobody was, we didn't have the staff to market it.

[2:14:58] They do, they are experts.

[2:15:00] We could make this city sparkle with educational facilities, with art facilities, with the collaborative efforts that they're making. I don't know why you're not saying you're arguing and

[2:15:15] over details that are irrelevant. And our city attorney has made that clear. He's answering

[2:15:23] your questions. Well, if we do this and you know, we're wasting time, why what's the point?

[2:15:29] What is the point? It's obvious the community wants the BCA in the cave center. How exciting

[2:15:36] would that be? And then we get these gentlemen who maybe, and I don't know if I agree with

[2:15:42] they want to store their stuff here. I think that they would make something out of it and we

[2:15:46] would encourage them to do that. Let's move forward with this. This is this is moving forward.

[2:15:53] That's why I brought it here. Well, okay, we've been spending over an hour, two hours talking

[2:16:00] about the capes that are all over again. Let's move forward. And Council member King I agree. Let's

[2:16:08] forward. But I think if we're looking at all opportunities, you've got to give these, they just

[2:16:14] said collaboration, that's what they said earlier today. They want to collaborate. Why are we

[2:16:20] even talking about a BCA contract in a meeting that they're not listed on the edge of the

[2:16:25] degree? And I agree. And so let's move forward. Let's let's put them in. Let's get them moving.

[2:16:33] You know, you're maybe maybe the idea of moving forward, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you let everybody else speak, you let me speak, I have a thing to say, you know, if you if you're talking about moving forward, maybe our ideas of moving forward, don't match, I'm not going to get caught up and well, we maybe maybe need this in this and this and this when we when our city attorney has already told us, it's superfluous, you don't need that, you don't if you want to do that go ahead and do that, but you don't need to.

[2:17:05] And why? Because we've got an election coming up, and maybe this isn't really the forward

[2:17:11] direction you want to take this? I am very, I'm

[2:17:19] perplexed. I am absolutely perplexed.

[2:17:21] Is this something that you've decided that no, we're going to do this. We're going to do

[2:17:25] it this way. And if we get the BCA in there, then I don't know. You know, I don't know

[2:17:34] You never come to a conclusion.

[2:17:36] Do you realize what you're saying?

[2:17:38] Yes, I do, absolutely.

[2:17:40] And I've been wanting to say it for quite some time.

[2:17:42] And you know what, if I don't get elected

[2:17:44] as a result of it, that's fun.

[2:17:46] I am comfortable with that.

[2:17:48] That's fun.

[2:17:48] The people, you know, I'm not going to get into that question.

[2:17:51] No, you can't.

[2:17:52] You don't have a like to stand on.

[2:17:53] I've got a special meeting agenda to stand on.

[2:17:56] And I'm going to stick to that.

[2:17:58] You're literally saying that.

[2:18:02] But words in my mouth, careful.

[2:18:04] Don't put words in my mouth.

[2:18:05] Correct anything that I state.

[2:18:08] You believe that we should have moved forward

[2:18:10] with a BCA contract on one of the three facilities

[2:18:14] the Mayor of Pro Tem brought forward

[2:18:17] based on the city attorney saying,

[2:18:19] which we should have done this two meetings ago.

[2:18:21] OK, great, great.

[2:18:24] So why not go to bed?

[2:18:26] Why?

[2:18:26] Why go to bed?

[2:18:27] Why go to bed?

[2:18:28] We don't have to.

[2:18:30] We don't legally.

[2:18:31] we do not have to. Why does a bit exist? Oh, we did, because it's not out of the air, because

[2:18:39] it's a fair way to use public resources. This is not fair. What we're proposing with the BCA?

[2:18:47] That is in your opinion. I never said it was unfair. Well, but you're saying the government cannot

[2:18:53] just go out and award individuals typically. I receive that. This is a different situation.

[2:19:01] Well, of course. As the city attorney has pointed out, I'm going to finish. I'm going to let you finish.

[2:19:09] City attorney. If we were to award to BCA for one facility and we were to go out to bid for

[2:19:17] facility and BCA was to award it, which one is less likely to be scrutinized as fair in your

[2:19:27] opinion?

[2:19:30] I feel silly asking you that.

[2:19:34] Listen, I mean, let's just get to the issue. If you want to go to the RFP, just to say that,

[2:19:40] That is a perfect response, I mean, in direction, if you want to go out for an RFP.

[2:19:50] I, and that's exactly what I said in the last meeting is it had nothing to do with just

[2:19:54] have to say it.

[2:19:55] Chris, okay.

[2:19:56] Well, then we can move forward on that.

[2:19:58] We are moving forward.

[2:19:59] This was about, Chris Sieger.

[2:20:02] I think some, Councilman, King, you are making it about politics, you're initiating this, you're

[2:20:08] to drive that narrative. This is about procedure and it is consistent with how I've been on

[2:20:14] every procurement vote. Why did that strike? Why did that strike? I've never done that,

[2:20:23] just like we wanted to hire the former city manager. We didn't want to go out and use the service

[2:20:29] to go out and bid. I said no, that's not how the government procures. And I said, show me a time.

[2:20:36] I trust we have an incredible city attorney who I can make sense of exactly what he said in the provisions.

[2:20:46] And he never said that he said, you can do it this way. I would argue there was convenience, but I don't think that it was the correct path we should go down today.

[2:21:00] We have a financial problem, not a Cape Center's closed problem.

[2:21:06] We've already solved that and there's no financial, if those doors stay closed and no one comes in,

[2:21:13] city manager or a finance director, I believe the cost will still be about $10,000 a month,

[2:21:20] just with the doors closed.

[2:21:21] Is that right?

[2:21:22] The general property insurance, the preventative AC maintenance, and then I think law and

[2:21:30] pass, we would be paying, we wouldn't, oh, and utility bill, maybe it's more, maybe it's

[2:21:36] 15 to 12.

[2:21:37] That would have been the CRA portion if the cost would have been shifted onto the CRA, off

[2:21:43] the top of that my head, I think the general fund was closer to about 16,000 a year.

[2:21:49] But I guess what's the source of funds?

[2:21:53] What's the total cost to keep that facility running if the doors are closed estimate?

[2:21:58] I think it was close to 2020.

[2:22:02] I'm looking at the schedule that we had for the one year

[2:22:04] where we did all the facilities.

[2:22:06] And looking at that Cape Center had operating expenses

[2:22:10] of 17,436 dollars with 4,000 of that

[2:22:13] this program costs, which we wouldn't have.

[2:22:15] So that leaves about 13,5.

[2:22:18] It would cost the city to keep the building locked up.

[2:22:23] About 1,000 bucks a month, a little over that.

[2:22:26] Yes, and we add to that what wasn't included in that.

[2:22:30] That was the property insurance. So for the, for the, about a year of just keeping that capesenter building open, it would be 16,000, around 16,500 dollars for the general fund. So around there in a 5,000 for property insurance on top of what councilmember.

[2:22:50] We're all in 16,500 to keep up if the, okay, that was for the line bill would it though if it's open it's what you have that is just to

[2:23:04] Door's closed

[2:23:05] The amount of utilities to keep the temperature so

[2:23:10] Yeah, not including repairs and five thousand of that was insurance correct property insurance

[2:23:15] This 16,500 per year, excuse me, 16,500 per year, doors closed.

[2:23:30] For the city to operate it, we would add about 100,000 to that.

[2:23:35] Roughly.

[2:23:35] Yes, because about 90,000 was personnel.

[2:23:38] We solved a financial problem, but we did not solve a door open problem.

[2:23:44] We cut $100,000 on out of the three facilities,

[2:23:49] the one that was least utilized.

[2:23:52] So we were at 16,500 with the doors closed,

[2:23:57] with under the proposal, with BCA coming in,

[2:24:01] on that particular facility,

[2:24:06] they will absorb a portion

[2:24:08] of that, the utility portion, right, of the 165.

[2:24:13] Do you know roughly what our costs would be with BCA?

[2:24:18] They of the original 165.

[2:24:21] BCA would have taken on 7,000.

[2:24:24] Okay, so we're at about 9,000 that we would still pay.

[2:24:28] So doors close, we pay 16,500 dollars a year.

[2:24:34] Doors open, we pay 9,000.

[2:24:37] Both of those are better than the city operating it from a financial standpoint.

[2:24:42] And out of the two, it's a no-brainer to have the doors open and you reduce, but what that

[2:24:49] 9,000 did not include is the cost potentially for anything that needed to be repaired or improved,

[2:24:56] because the likelihood of things getting broken or it holes in the wall or issues is so we should

[2:25:02] responsibly budget. I could not, so if you had another 5,000 that we should budget for miscellaneous,

[2:25:08] unknown repairs that our contract requires.

[2:25:11] To me, it's doors closed, it's 16,500.

[2:25:15] Maybe 15,000 for the doors open.

[2:25:19] Again, doors open is better.

[2:25:22] But we have a financial priority.

[2:25:25] We have a great organization here.

[2:25:27] To me, it was, we need to go out.

[2:25:32] We know this information.

[2:25:33] And the idea that BCA, that we should, I'm going to take Bervard Cultural Alliance out of this, the idea that we should select a vendor without going to bid, I am not comfortable with.

[2:25:54] And I don't feel bad about that at all.

[2:25:58] That's that that is not that is not right and I understand that you state that our city attorney told us our city attorney is not saying that's the only way

[2:26:09] He's saying this is a way

[2:26:11] But financially it doesn't make a big change. He's why are he's scrutiny would be why did you select one company without going to bed?

[2:26:20] Who's going to scrutinize that when the community wants it?

[2:26:23] Who's going to scrutinize that?

[2:26:26] the community wants it is and if and if we're within the legal limits is the city attorney has pointed out as in one of the options

[2:26:34] I am a risk at verse financially there's no difference there is no difference in the two financially other than the doors open financially

[2:26:43] So the second thing is I would rather tell the residents who wanted that we put it out to bid and clearly they were the choice

[2:26:52] Right, and we proved it and we followed a traditional procurement process that gives us the ability to go

[2:27:00] Not only were they a great fit, but we looked everything out there and they were the only fit

[2:27:04] And you know what you've done in the interim is you've wasted all that time when they could have been settling in and doing this

[2:27:12] benefits to the city council direct the city council direct the city manager and city attorney to go to BCA and to bring that proposal back when was that ever uttered out of this council.

[2:27:27] Do they work at the direction of the council?

[2:27:31] Oh, who are you referring to the city attorney and the city manager?

[2:27:34] The only two that we have control over the city manager in the city attorney.

[2:27:39] Right, and we rely on their expertise and their information.

[2:27:46] If our city, yes, I am not questioning.

[2:27:49] Well, yes, you are.

[2:27:51] I didn't even finish my sentence.

[2:27:53] Oh, yeah.

[2:27:55] Now, you know how that feels, but go ahead.

[2:27:58] Who gave them direction?

[2:28:02] It never happened.

[2:28:04] We didn't have to.

[2:28:06] As he explained to us, it was the CRA.

[2:28:08] we were going to be making arrangements with the CRA and the CRA was going to be the fact that they

[2:28:16] brought a proposal does it mean that they need direction. I'm not questioning that and that's what

[2:28:22] I was going to say. I appreciated what our city manager and city attorney brought forward but it was

[2:28:28] it would be a very different if there was direction given to them and then I'm sitting over here

[2:28:34] would unquote wasting time.

[2:28:36] All right, so are we going to do the same thing with these three

[2:28:38] gentlemen, if they decide that they want to use what

[2:28:41] of office facilities, would it put it off for an RFP?

[2:28:44] This is the problem, you're saying BCA in these.

[2:28:48] And I never since that, uh, mayor pertinent.

[2:28:51] Look, it has to be consistent.

[2:28:52] They are, they are somebody else that is interested.

[2:28:55] And there's others that are not, they're not particularly

[2:28:59] interested in the Cape Center.

[2:29:01] They're interested in utilizing what

[2:29:03] we have. I want to explore it. If we would have went back two months ago. But my point

[2:29:08] being, but my point being, if we are going to, excuse me, if we are going to issue an RFP

[2:29:16] for this, we better do it for them too. We better do it for everybody. What do you mean? That's

[2:29:22] what I mean? Well, if we just did these gentlemen want to participate. Are you suggesting

[2:29:26] that we would just, we want, why don't we? I don't know. I haven't heard anything otherwise.

[2:29:30] There's one way to procure, wow, there's one way to procure or to lease a building, in my opinion, you put it out to bid, not to this organization, the BCR anyone in its public, and it runs through our expertise of our city staff.

[2:29:51] Okay, I will the seed to you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. It's just like the C5 in 2018.

[2:30:00] They were rolling forward and I said, hey, can we have a workshop? Can we do something? And I said,

[2:30:06] I'm not against this project, I'm against the process that I am here again. And a lot

[2:30:15] of the support from the community, those community might support the BCA, I've heard a tremendous

[2:30:22] amount of support for them. I've heard a lot of support for a lot of the things we've done, but

[2:30:28] There's nothing that comes close to the support of what I am saying.

[2:30:34] Procedure is everything.

[2:30:39] There's nothing that the reason people load politicians

[2:30:43] and elected officials is when there's favoritism,

[2:30:46] when there's no bid, when there's no process.

[2:30:49] My thought is,

[2:30:51] Bearer Timberall, one potential interesting opportunity, there's more out there and to be

[2:31:00] a huge of the things that you've stated is very unprofessional, Council Member King, very unprofessional.

[2:31:11] I'm going to get spanked, like a don got spanked last meeting that we had for taking the initiative

[2:31:18] to do a Friday fest.

[2:31:20] You're going to talk about on professional.

[2:31:23] That was extraordinarily unprofessional.

[2:31:26] Nobody's being accused of anything.

[2:31:30] I brought facts.

[2:31:32] You brought suspicion.

[2:31:35] Your were.

[2:31:35] I have facts.

[2:31:36] You brought suspicion.

[2:31:40] Let's stick to the matter.

[2:31:41] I really don't want to go about today.

[2:31:44] We're talking about three facilities on the agenda.

[2:31:48] I would like to give the City Manager and City Attorney direction.

[2:31:53] I think we've established that we would like to stay as close to their uses without closing the door on perspective bitters,

[2:32:02] such as we've heard today and or others, and allow our City staff to work within the as close to the service level,

[2:32:12] that the citizens have communicated to ask councilmember Willis established.

[2:32:18] And I think we all agree, I can't speak for councilmember Shoryak, I think he's willing

[2:32:23] to cast a wider net, but if that's the direction, I'm not sure about Nancy Hanson.

[2:32:29] I think the priority, there's two.

[2:32:33] One is today, let's roll out the volunteer program full force.

[2:32:38] We've heard it.

[2:32:39] We've heard amazing models like Health First.

[2:32:42] We've seen Gwendolyn Lisa and so many others that's willing to contribute.

[2:32:47] Let's get that role in now.

[2:32:49] Let's get the documents submitted and don't cast a wide net, cast it within what it's zoning

[2:32:58] with both of them are in the CRA plan.

[2:33:01] All of them are and try to get back as expeditiously as possible and opportunity for this

[2:33:09] Council to use a procurement process that aligns with the way we've procured pretty much everything

[2:33:16] else within our city.

[2:33:18] And that's it.

[2:33:20] Yes, ma'am.

[2:33:21] I just want to clarify, make sure we understand, because I understand what you're saying

[2:33:28] and I'm driving them going through the same process.

[2:33:31] An RFP everyone goes through the same process and any interested party it's made public

[2:33:37] for any interested party to show up and show their interest in putting in a proposal for

[2:33:47] that.

[2:33:48] It is the normal way that things are done within the contractual and bidding process.

[2:33:55] And when you said they're going to go through the same thing, it will be a situation where

[2:34:00] everyone will go through the same thing.

[2:34:02] and actually, it would give bravard cultural alliance a chance to look at what they have

[2:34:10] and give them time to tighten some marketing up on it or whatever that there may be,

[2:34:18] but it makes an even playing field for anyone that is going to put a proposal in and that's the normal

[2:34:25] process, so it's not targeted for one individual or another. As we look at going forward,

[2:34:33] you know, we have BCA that has interest and we obviously have people in the room here that

[2:34:40] have interest. We have a lot of other people that may not be communicating in here, they may

[2:34:46] not even be here, that they're communicating with me and they're saying make sure the contracts

[2:34:50] right. We have this group that is expressed interest. Could they benefit our city in other ways

[2:34:57] they certainly can. So for me it actually works well for everyone if we look at that because

[2:35:06] they just looked at things today. They don't have a solidified plan. BCA has a good idea. I would

[2:35:14] like to see some more marketing and maybe numbers on some of the events that you've had here so

[2:35:20] because I know you've already done some of those for us, so you're going to know the success of those.

[2:35:26] But without doing thoughtful research and how we do it, we're just sitting in and it's just contentious.

[2:35:39] So I would like to say, I want to make a motion we do RFP for the various things like you talked about the C5 and Nancy Hanson for Sports Management.

[2:35:49] And for things that stay within as this was to find cultural arts, preservation, and what was the enrichment.

[2:36:00] Enrichment.

[2:36:01] I want to say environment because I'm worried about it that.

[2:36:05] Because it will benefit all of us and it gives even playing field and even longer for questions to be answered.

[2:36:13] And that gives BCA the adopted opportunity because we didn't get to finish answering questions or ask some questions last time.

[2:36:23] So I just think that that's the prudent way to go and that's my opinion one and five.

[2:36:31] Okay, and then you said, you want to make a motion, I'm going to say that if there is a no motion, but the let's take Nancy Hanson, we want to

[2:36:43] and I can withdraw it until we finalize the sketch.

[2:36:45] Well, I didn't even sense it.

[2:36:47] You said you want to make a motion.

[2:36:49] If that was a formal motion, then absolutely

[2:36:51] I recognize it.

[2:36:52] But Mr. Mayor, somebody in the audience

[2:36:54] wants to point out something.

[2:36:55] I got to go to our parliamentarian.

[2:36:57] This has came up in the past.

[2:36:58] City Attorney Point of Information is what I'm hearing.

[2:37:04] Point of information.

[2:37:07] But I mean, the council's discussion

[2:37:10] discussing and it looks like it's

[2:37:12] you're ready to make a motion, right?

[2:37:15] So I mean, I would continue that discussion and make a motion

[2:37:18] and then open it up for public input.

[2:37:20] I will say this, a motion does not mean we're

[2:37:23] going to make a decision.

[2:37:24] So I will, unless this counts overall,

[2:37:27] give you the opportunity to speak.

[2:37:28] Let us get this motion out.

[2:37:30] Does it mean we're going to decide on it? We can resend it. And then we can have an order because we're trying to move along here.

[2:37:41] If you're going to speak Mr. Visdomani, go ahead.

[2:37:54] Well, we will open it up for some public participation. That's a question and it's valid and it's captured.

[2:38:02] We have procurement policies that I think address your question on highest bidder and how we do it.

[2:38:09] You'll have an opportunity to speak before this council makes any decision, Mr. Visadamni.

[2:38:15] I will do my best.

[2:38:19] So, let's do this.

[2:38:24] We have volunteers.

[2:38:26] We have three facilities.

[2:38:28] Is it the desire the council to embrace and to roll out in the short term the volunteer program until we make a decision on these facilities?

[2:38:38] Yes.

[2:38:40] Okay.

[2:38:41] City Manager.

[2:38:42] I think, near-per-term, you had stated the date of the next one or maybe one else

[2:38:47] nose.

[2:38:49] City Manager, that's something that this council can give you any more direction or support

[2:38:55] or resources to focus on the willingness of the volunteers, Miss Betsy Ranc,

[2:39:09] obviously

[2:39:09] And that's Sam and the team.

[2:39:13] So I'd like to have some conversation about volunteers in general.

[2:39:17] So first and foremost, they would be used to provide those services that paid employees did prior to there being no paid employees.

[2:39:28] So that would be the first function we would have to have them fill out their applications.

[2:39:34] There might be some training involved, there's some background and then there would be obviously stopping.

[2:39:39] we have a volunteer coordinator who is a full-time employee and we're looking at a hierarchy if you will

[2:39:45] of volunteer structure so that we can better disseminate information in the workload amongst them.

[2:39:53] I have no idea how many volunteers that we're going to have I've heard general numbers.

[2:39:56] Our workshop is not until November 5th and that is not a council workshop.

[2:40:02] that is a staff workshop, just so everybody knows, and it will be in a believe it will be in this room.

[2:40:12] So we would have to look at if the C5 is currently being operated by a full-time employee,

[2:40:20] but it's only up in five days a week. We could potentially train volunteers to help with that to extend those hours.

[2:40:26] that's a possibility until such time as we transfer the use or the operation in that facility

[2:40:33] over to someone who gets awarded the bid, right? Secondly, it would be Nancy Hanson. This is the

[2:40:41] first conversation that I've been a part of where we've even considered going RAP on Nancy. It is

[2:40:47] running itself. We've been getting accolades from the tennis and the pickleball community about

[2:40:53] how they're working together.

[2:40:55] The schedule is satisfactory and there are no issues there.

[2:41:00] It is, I don't want to say historic, but it's probably the oldest recreational amenity

[2:41:05] in the city kit, Canaveral.

[2:41:07] I think the Council could benefit from hearing from the public on whether or not they want

[2:41:13] that operated by an independent entity or keep it within the city structure.

[2:41:18] I know our goal is to increase our revenue perhaps at some point we would be able to increase staff

[2:41:25] to where the city could continue to operate the Nancy Hansen

[2:41:28] and the facilities there it is within the CRA.

[2:41:32] And there are opportunities to grow and enhance the entire complex here

[2:41:37] that are adjacent to the CRA with the shuffle board and whatever else the council may want to consider.

[2:41:44] So I just offer that information when it comes to Nancy Hanson there are a lot of it's not just the building

[2:41:50] It's obviously the the other amenities the courts that that are there

[2:41:55] That the city can immunitize even further if it wants to you know do that through the CRA

[2:42:02] And then finally the Cape Center stands alone as an independent facility clearly

[2:42:06] But back to the volunteers we would train them first to supplement the work done by paid employees and then the other

[2:42:13] form of Ontario would be those that would want to do city events, should the city want to

[2:42:20] continue its events that it has done or let other private groups come in to do those events

[2:42:28] like Friday fast or what have you and that would be a separate conversation about volunteers.

[2:42:35] But first and foremost we want to nail down who we have, what they're capable of, how many

[2:42:41] staffing and so forth. And I can't really pin that down for you until we have this meeting

[2:42:47] and are able to structure their services moving forward.

[2:42:52] Thank you very much. It was my, I know that Nancy Hanson was brought up. It was two meetings ago.

[2:42:58] I think we had said, Anne Nancy Hanson, and is my understanding that, you know, we've got volunteers

[2:43:05] who's worked hard willing to step up.

[2:43:08] But if we're going to go out with the C5 and potentially seek interested parties, was the

[2:43:17] thought from Council that we would want Nancy Hanson to be a part of that, my gut is

[2:43:22] saying we would roll if volunteers hold us through the short term on these two facilities,

[2:43:29] the goal would be can we keep Nancy Hanson going with a volunteer program and in

[2:43:35] concentrated into the one and we would not seek beds. I think if we put the C5 out for a

[2:43:43] bed, we could potentially mention this C5 but it's just an option but it's not our primary

[2:43:50] interest and obviously that's dependent on the willingness of the volunteers to continue and so

[2:43:56] I don't think we know it enough until really November 5th but Merfor Tim you'd mention Nancy

[2:44:01] Hanson, do you think that's important to include with the C5 under sports and I think it is?

[2:44:09] If I know that you were working on, were you working on locks just during the staff on?

[2:44:17] Some kind of securing the court so that, or we just leaving it open, the one thing I didn't notice.

[2:44:24] And I was super impressed because I'm going to tell you, they have set up a seismic page

[2:44:32] for instance, Nancy Henson, they're in there, they're working together, they're talking

[2:44:37] about, you know, court time and that kind of thing and I was like, wow, this, they really

[2:44:42] have worked together to overcome this.

[2:44:46] But I just want to make sure because I heard on the other hand, I had feedback that, well,

[2:44:54] is over her plan and I want to go up there in the court's physics. So, for me...

[2:45:00] My priority, if I was looking at it, was the C5. Because that's a big facility for one person to accommodate, and we're all reduced hours on that. And that was already one of the things that was given to me as feedback the last three years as, well, I'd go there and work out and wouldn't have my membership over on Maran Island, except for that by the time I get off from work at the, you know, and get home.

[2:45:29] it's closed. So I think that could have potential in hand services, but without knowing what

[2:45:38] that would cost, I don't know whether it's best for the volunteers to handle it. I think it would

[2:45:44] be best for them to understand what that would look like and make a decision as they're looking

[2:45:51] setting up this volunteer program. That's just my own, my own, one, five, a pin. So for me,

[2:45:58] C5 is what I would pick first along with the volunteer because we may end up looking at it and they

[2:46:05] may have their meeting and determine that the volunteers are best shoes for pulling off all the

[2:46:12] events and all of that, but not manning these facilities. We just don't know until we know numbers

[2:46:19] to look at how do we know that. So for me I want people to have access and like I said I was

[2:46:27] I was impressed by the number of people that I saw at the C5 this morning. There were a lot of

[2:46:33] people playing. There were people immediately in the white room and that sort of thing the minute it

[2:46:39] opened and that shows you the popularity of that facility. So I just want to make sure the

[2:46:45] services are there for citizens, but without that number on the, you know, what it would

[2:46:52] look like for a vendor that provided the, you know, the operational side of it.

[2:46:59] It's hard for me as a volunteer, if I was in the volunteer shoes, it'd be hard to know what's

[2:47:05] the best thing and how to gauge that.

[2:47:08] Okay, I think we have volunteers, obviously, Nancy Hansen and the C5, we're going to be our next regular meeting will be November.

[2:47:19] Between now and then, I don't anticipate any major changes from what we're doing.

[2:47:23] You're going to know a lot more, I think, under that November 5th meeting.

[2:47:27] So, for us to state, I think volunteers, as we can remember well, listen, we've talked about, I think consensus on, yes, we won't volunteer.

[2:47:34] years, I don't think anyone's saying to ramp anything up between now and the regular meeting.

[2:47:40] We're already utilizing volunteers, there's a schedule meeting on the fifth, maybe that

[2:47:46] enhances it.

[2:47:48] My big point for saying that was we had three facilities, it would be my preference, we

[2:47:52] do not prioritize Nancy Hanson.

[2:47:54] Let's keep that going as our city manager gives us updates.

[2:47:57] And if the team works on anything, it would be to go out and draft an RFP within the

[2:48:04] scope of what this facility services provided are provided today for the C5 and then separately

[2:48:11] for the Cape Center and try to run those, I think, together and if, you know, it takes

[2:48:19] 30 days potentially,

[2:48:24] you know, could we have something here in the next month or two to issue?

[2:48:30] I think on the volunteers council, I'm not sure there's any, we heard feedback from our city manager.

[2:48:38] We're not saying to increase volunteers. There's already a meeting here in about a week.

[2:48:44] Yeah, on the fifth, it's a little over a week. So we're not asking him to expedite beyond what he's already doing.

[2:48:51] So, I don't think there's no change in direction, but as far as between now and the

[2:48:59] third, Tuesday and November, if we could have at least a draft RSP, that would be

[2:49:05] wonderful for the C5 and the Cape Center, is that what the Council...

[2:49:14] Excuse me, why wouldn't we include Nancy Hanson, we're losing money, we're losing money

[2:49:19] there, right?

[2:49:20] Because everything is on the honor system.

[2:49:24] Yeah, I'd have to agree that we're, let's do it all.

[2:49:28] Look at all of our options.

[2:49:30] OK.

[2:49:30] Well, the council would decide in November if the city manager

[2:49:37] and attorney bring all three, we would ultimately have to vote,

[2:49:40] which ones we'd want to send out to RFP.

[2:49:42] And I think for the sake of time now, council,

[2:49:47] Do we want to see what it would look like to put C5 needs a hands-in and Cape Center out to bid?

[2:49:55] I think it would take a lot for me to actually let go of Nancy Hanson.

[2:50:01] I love the volunteers, but thoughts on that.

[2:50:07] It's really, do we want all three or one or two of the three?

[2:50:12] Well, if I can say if we're going to do one, let's do them all.

[2:50:15] And let's see what kind of money we can bring into the city.

[2:50:18] And the volunteers can be the backstop, the backfill rather to the people who win the bid, if they want volunteers, or the volunteers can do special events, but in the meantime we'll be making money.

[2:50:35] Yeah, and I just want to emphasize we have making money and saving money and both of those together provide a positive financial impact.

[2:50:43] We have already taken the step to provide a positive financial impact on all three facilities.

[2:50:52] We are met with a service-level challenge that we're trying to work through.

[2:50:58] But we've done that work.

[2:51:00] We have moved forward with that.

[2:51:01] It's been difficult.

[2:51:03] And we are now trying to figure out how do we increase the service level.

[2:51:06] And the finance is a value add that potentially could solve it,

[2:51:11] especially with the C-5 in Cape Center and okay, I support that.

[2:51:19] I think if we want to go to all three, we'll ultimately decide if we want all three to go out

[2:51:24] and some sort of draft, at least, would be I think what direction would be appropriate

[2:51:30] or whatever motion this council wants to make, but our city manager has questions or city attorney

[2:51:40] Before any motion is made, does that make sense?

[2:51:45] What we're just talking through is if we basically did a, not a silly, a full RFP package,

[2:51:55] but basically what would we, a scope of what we would look to seek and bids for the three facilities?

[2:52:03] Is that, are there any challenges there?

[2:52:05] yes please that's my question yeah so city attorney is it is it easily done for you

[2:52:17] to do all three of them simultaneously because

[2:52:27] it shouldn't you know it should just

[2:52:30] On the other side, I don't know if you'd like to hear what you're saying about it.

[2:52:38] Okay.

[2:52:47] On Nancy Hanson's bike and money though, and in capes and I'm not being ugly, but it's saving us money.

[2:52:54] It's 1500 a month for it to sit there until we get to it.

[2:52:59] So, for me, the two were making many on if we were going to have to, but I was just wanting

[2:53:05] that was how hard that would be.

[2:53:08] Well, there would be some staff time in addition to the attorney.

[2:53:11] I mean, we've worked on our piece of four.

[2:53:14] We're going to need to come up with the makeup of the facility, square foot, you know,

[2:53:19] under air.

[2:53:19] There's a lot of things to do to put into that, to be able to put that out there, and that

[2:53:24] will require some staff assistance.

[2:53:26] And so, if you want all three, we can work in that direction, but if you want to prioritize

[2:53:31] that's what we get.

[2:53:33] And until we get you the three, what's the first second third?

[2:53:36] So, which one earns the most money as far as, you know, revenue with the programs?

[2:53:45] I would say the C5 does.

[2:53:47] Okay.

[2:53:48] So, C5 is first.

[2:53:49] And then, of course, Cape Sinner, none right now, and then Nancy Hanson is second.

[2:53:56] And Joey, can you give us the figures on those?

[2:54:01] Yeah, I can go back and look into those numbers.

[2:54:06] I think that'd be good for canceled, but, you know, I think if we look at that, because you

[2:54:13] have a good point of including Nancy Hanson on those.

[2:54:17] And we should look at the ones that are going to bring this revenue as far as restoration

[2:54:22] of those first in my opinion, but that's one of the things.

[2:54:27] How are we collecting revenue on Nancy Hanson?

[2:54:31] We're not.

[2:54:32] I mean, we're looking at doing an honor system and any form of electronic or, you know,

[2:54:40] scanic your code payment is a system we'd have to research and that's going to cost money

[2:54:45] and you know, our budget is limited, so on.

[2:54:49] But we had it.

[2:54:49] We had income before, so we have some numbers

[2:54:52] to kind of compare on that.

[2:54:55] We have 46,000 in revenue from Nancy Hanson in 28, 425.

[2:55:02] So that will not be.

[2:55:04] And what on the C5, do you know, 120,000?

[2:55:07] So, so right there, 120,000, and you said 64?

[2:55:13] 46. 46. I didn't need to clarify, thank you Samantha, that we do have instructors who

[2:55:20] render least a space for their classes in Nancy Hanson and they let themselves in and out.

[2:55:26] And so there is some revenue there, but not clearly the 46,000 that we were bringing in.

[2:55:34] Those two facilities, the quicker that we get them covered and back into operation with the

[2:55:40] package is that we have voted in before the more revenue you have to work with for that was

[2:55:47] buildings. So in the Cape Center brought zero. I don't know. Correct.

[2:55:54] Zero. And I know when we talked about it at that meeting, I think February March is because

[2:56:00] they had not had a fee schedule. Yes, that's right. That's fair. But the other part of the equation

[2:56:07] is that's just revenue. Well, there were classes that were held there again similar to Nancy

[2:56:12] Hanson. Yeah, that was that revenue was nominal. But the 46,000 in Nancy Hanson revenue also came

[2:56:20] with a cost. The cost was a hundred and looks like we had 115,000 in labor and 27,000 in other operating

[2:56:32] expenses. Okay, so I think if we just held the 27,000, right? Like that's basically, it was

[2:56:39] $100,000 loss, roughly. Not in 1996, yeah. And so we've eliminated the 115,000 and we

[2:56:48] probably still got close to 20,000 in overhead. And so I think that we have to look at revenue,

[2:56:56] expenses, and then ultimately that's the financial impact on the facility. And we've

[2:57:02] We've reduced all the expenditures on those.

[2:57:05] So if Cape Center was zero, that's easy.

[2:57:08] We was 125 a year cost roughly.

[2:57:11] And we've now got it down to 25.

[2:57:13] So instead of losing 125, we're only losing 25,000 roughly.

[2:57:17] And I know my numbers aren't perfect.

[2:57:19] But I think that's the point here is we've already,

[2:57:24] there's a fine interchange.

[2:57:26] There was some bleeding for lack of better words

[2:57:28] that was happening.

[2:57:30] We've closed that off, we've established that all three facilities are potential revenue

[2:57:37] opportunities without the high cost, and there's one thing that I would state in our city

[2:57:45] managers desired to ask priority C5 being number one.

[2:57:49] I would go as far to say that look, I wouldn't prioritize it based on necessarily revenue.

[2:57:56] I would put the Cape Center based on what we know about

[2:58:01] interested parties.

[2:58:03] Here's the value of knowing BCA.

[2:58:05] I would not say they're third.

[2:58:07] I would state it would be a mistake to state that Nancy Hanson's

[2:58:13] before C5, no doubt that it's more revenue potential.

[2:58:16] But we have an interested party who's here,

[2:58:19] and potentially, to me, I think that deserves a priority.

[2:58:25] and so I would put Nancy Hansen as the third. Ideally we could have all three but if not put

[2:58:33] capes in or at the top just to get that out to respect our neighbors here in the county at BCA and

[2:58:41] I don't want them waiting on a C5 and Nancy Hansen and then we miss an opportunity. I recognize

[2:58:50] the opportunity. I just want to follow a process that that's fair. So thank you.

[2:58:56] Mr. Mayor. Yes sir. To your point, we're not having to worry about volunteers for the

[2:59:01] Cape Center. So to your point that makes sense to be first because we're trying to put people

[2:59:09] in place. Volunteers in place for the other two facilities. So I think Cape Center first

[2:59:16] C5 second and the Nancy Hanson third.

[2:59:21] Yep.

[2:59:22] I think if we can get those.

[2:59:28] Council, let's talk through that.

[2:59:30] And then I think we can really, I think, move on.

[2:59:33] And the goal of this was give direction on these facilities.

[2:59:36] We have volunteers today on two of the three.

[2:59:40] We've communicated hours.

[3:00:00] No, but we want to look at all three. We've established that. City manager with limited resources wanted

[3:00:07] to know the priority. I would say the Cape and C5 should be the highest. Ideally, we'd see

[3:00:15] all three if I could wave a magic wand. But I'd rather have Cape and C5 out than to have a draft

[3:00:24] of all three.

[3:00:26] I dare they have a final version of least a couple of them, then yeah.

[3:00:31] So council, if that's what we want to do, let's discuss it, make a motion so that we

[3:00:39] can give direction.

[3:00:42] We all agree it's all three facilities, correct?

[3:00:46] Is that, that's been pretty clear?

[3:00:50] The order in which our limited resource and city staff works on, the Cape Center's obviously been top of mind, I think that that one would probably take the least amount of resources, it's the least complex, it's the smallest property.

[3:01:05] I don't think it's going to take a significant, it's a very specified, literally the name of the facility says what we want it to do, culture, arts, preservation, enrichment to where you got 20,000 square feet over here.

[3:01:19] As the second priority and then if we could have Nancy Hanson tag along behind it, that'd be great

[3:01:26] But it getting those two out is that with the council wants to do?

[3:01:34] This quickly is awesome

[3:01:45] Okay council if that if we want to make a motion and just to be efficient city manager would a motion with

[3:01:54] With clarifying two things, the, well, just one is the priority level of the three facilities

[3:02:03] that we'd like to have something, whether it's draft or final between now and the next

[3:02:08] meeting.

[3:02:09] I think that's our city manager wants to do, and so Council, if anyone wants to make a motion,

[3:02:14] establishing direction of the city manager to put together the materials for the RFP and the order of those amongst the three facilities.

[3:02:37] We move to direct the city manager to prepare an RFP for the council for the three facilities.

[3:02:45] Prior to being first priority, capesenter, second, community center, and third, Nancy Hanson,

[3:02:53] recreational center.

[3:02:55] Second.

[3:02:56] Got a motion by Council Member Shorriak and a second by Council Member Willis.

[3:03:00] As stated, City Clerk, is there any clarity on that motion?

[3:03:03] City manager?

[3:03:05] That good?

[3:03:06] Good.

[3:03:06] Any discussion, Council?

[3:03:09] As promised, I, to add the public, we would not make a final decision.

[3:03:13] Council unless we oppose. I would like to give the opportunity for those who would like to speak.

[3:03:17] We're at 4 o'clock PM. And I know our city attorney is on the tight schedule. We would ask

[3:03:23] Council if this isn't traditional for us to go back out back, but public participation is important to us.

[3:03:31] And so Mr. Visadamani, if you'd like to speak, please come on forward and anyone else, we'd ask

[3:03:38] that you just follow, when Mr. Bistanoma is done, please thank you.

[3:03:47] Thank you.

[3:03:50] I'm kind of taking back your outsourcing, all the recreational things we have in the city.

[3:04:00] And that's fine, except once you do that, you lose control of what the charges are going to be.

[3:04:07] how often they're going to be open, more or less every aspect of it.

[3:04:13] I don't see why we have to do that at this point.

[3:04:18] Maybe I'm wrong.

[3:04:20] Nancy Anson seems to be fine the way it is.

[3:04:23] Yes, because put some volunteers, there's a woman here that said she could put this together.

[3:04:27] We could have someone that collected the money if that's Nancy Anson.

[3:04:31] You're saying that, as far as I spoke to the general about the C5,

[3:04:35] And he's saying, we're pretty close to what we were doing before, even with the one person there.

[3:04:43] So maybe we can do that.

[3:04:45] I think you might have ended the BCA.

[3:04:50] So with the fact of putting it out for a bit and prolonging it further,

[3:04:56] I just don't understand what direction we're going.

[3:04:59] If you wanted to do this from the beginning, we should just put this out for the beginning for a bit.

[3:05:04] I mean, we knew months ago that we were in this situation, we weren't making money.

[3:05:10] So why do we get to this point, and then do it after, like I say, you have a core of

[3:05:16] volunteers, you have other people.

[3:05:18] If someone takes over the building, it makes a bid on it.

[3:05:21] They're not going to want volunteers there.

[3:05:23] They're going to have their staff there.

[3:05:24] They're going to have people that are running the building.

[3:05:26] They're only making sense.

[3:05:27] I mean, you know, that's as long as they do it.

[3:05:30] So, and like I said, they're going to set the priorities.

[3:05:31] how much they're going to charge and everything else involved with it.

[3:05:37] We seem to have lost, we're losing our city even more as we go along, I feel like.

[3:05:45] And I don't know what the answer is.

[3:05:48] I mean, is there any way we can kind of get back to where we're not going to be interested in the top bid on everything?

[3:06:00] I mean, are we just going to have something for the people of the city who pay taxes?

[3:06:04] You kind of pay money for these buildings?

[3:06:07] You know, it only seemed that would be the direction that the city council should be going in.

[3:06:11] More or less providing things for us.

[3:06:13] This BCA thing was something to provide for our citizens.

[3:06:21] So, that's all I feel.

[3:06:23] Like I said, once I wanted to ask the city attorney,

[3:06:27] Once we put this out for a bit, we obligated to take high bid because you already have someone who could run the facility.

[3:06:34] Now, what are we looking for?

[3:06:36] We're looking for them. It has to be money.

[3:06:39] Thank you.

[3:06:39] That's to be the high bid.

[3:06:43] The other public participation, please come forward.

[3:06:46] Yes.

[3:06:46] Thank you.

[3:06:48] And amongst yourselves I'd appreciate the order.

[3:06:54] The clock set, Sarah B. Straud, 602 King, Neptune.

[3:06:58] Thank you very much.

[3:07:01] Yeah, we're all in our district, right?

[3:07:03] I get it 100% I want to present to scenarios to you.

[3:07:07] Situations that I've personally been in before being in the corporate world,

[3:07:15] multi-million dollar banking share group out of Houston, Texas and having many,

[3:07:25] many, many branches and many, many corporate banks in.

[3:07:30] We had the people's money. We had your deposits. We were responsible for bringing those in in a timely manner

[3:07:36] and getting those dispersed and also getting the debits in. Computer systems, every single day and night.

[3:07:44] One of my jobs was to invest the banks money, a certain portion, which was the people's money

[3:07:52] At three o'clock, every single afternoon, I couldn't hesitate.

[3:07:58] I looked at the list of treasury bills.

[3:08:01] I had to make decisions.

[3:08:03] I'm not asking you to make the decisions that fast, like I had to do, but I'm asking you

[3:08:09] to think through it very clearly and precisely and get a plan.

[3:08:15] And then presented in a very methodical manner.

[3:08:18] It was my job to invest the money.

[3:08:22] I cannot miss the three o'clock deadline.

[3:08:24] I had a whole list to choose from.

[3:08:26] I was able to do it.

[3:08:28] You can do it too.

[3:08:30] Second scenario.

[3:08:32] Dallas, Texas.

[3:08:35] I decided, okay, I've worked money.

[3:08:37] Let's work health.

[3:08:39] So what do I do?

[3:08:40] I get a nursing degree.

[3:08:42] What do I do?

[3:08:43] Go to work for the county hospital.

[3:08:45] that's where J.F. Kennedy went to. It's county. It's big. It's huge. You have to make decisions.

[3:08:54] When you work in it you are, or you work on a floor, you have a team sometimes and you can talk about it.

[3:09:01] But you gotta make decisions. And I appreciate you guys trying to come together today to get those done.

[3:09:08] But it's a team. It's a decision. A plan. Get it done. Operate. And fix.

[3:09:15] Yes, right now we're hurting and we're slowly bleeding.

[3:09:21] It's not a bar drill but we're slowly bleeding and we don't want to die and that's it.

[3:09:29] Thank you.

[3:09:30] Thank you.

[3:09:31] Yes, please come forward.

[3:09:32] If the next person could be ready for the sake of time, we'd appreciate it after St.

[3:09:36] and finish the Vietnam mine set your name and address Victoron, 740, 480, Civil

[3:09:43] Accord, Cape Canaveral. Not that I'm another banker but I spent 40 years of the

[3:09:49] banking side including auditing various corporations throughout the US. First off as it

[3:09:57] relates to the BCA and the Cape Center by waiting for the IRFP, your only losing five

[3:10:06] hundred dollars in a revenue, an actual cash flow. So to wait to get a good RFP and there

[3:10:14] makes so much more sense. Unfortunately, the RFP, this is what should have been done

[3:10:20] a month ago. But now that we're doing it, now I think it's a perfect idea for all different

[3:10:27] all the different facilities. As it relates to someone's comment about the C5 is if a third

[3:10:35] it takes it over. The C5 is lost at ton of money and to operate it

[3:10:43] cost money. Now, at the same time, they charge very minor dollar

[3:10:49] amounts for the monthly fee. It should be just about twice that. If you were to go

[3:10:54] to other places, other rec centers, you're paying at the minimum, $65 to $75 a month.

[3:11:00] We're charging, I think, 42, 43.

[3:11:05] So that's the reason, that's what happened with the C5, that's why we lost money.

[3:11:12] So we've got to recognize that, yes, if we got a third party, it's going to cost more.

[3:11:19] But again, they're going to, if we don't have volunteers there, they may be employed local people.

[3:11:25] You know, part-time, full-time, whatever.

[3:11:28] At the same time, is they're going to expend the hours and they're going to make sure they get,

[3:11:31] we have great equipment in, they're going to probably expand the equipment. So having a third party is good,

[3:11:38] but my hope, the biggest thing I think the RFP is a perfect way to go, and we don't have to accept them,

[3:11:45] but at least you can see what's going on. As to Nancy Hanson, it is true, the majority of those players

[3:11:54] are not capable of citizens.

[3:11:57] I play there, I also, I'm very active over to C5, when it was here, and I'd probably

[3:12:03] over there five days a week, both plain pickleball and up in the weight room.

[3:12:08] Most of those people are not capable of citizens.

[3:12:12] I talked to them, I know where they're from, you're off from the local area, which is great.

[3:12:16] We bring people in.

[3:12:18] All I'm saying is, it's people who are more concerned about

[3:12:22] and error citizens, which already those people are not from Cape Canaveral.

[3:12:28] So that's one thing, that's why the RFP is good,

[3:12:30] and getting the most revenue is what we need as the city

[3:12:34] that reduces our financial issue.

[3:12:40] And then the interim on the volunteers.

[3:12:44] Yep, that's fine.

[3:12:46] Thank you, Mr. Brown.

[3:12:58] No, Mr. Dominique, for 21, Lincoln Avenue Cape Canero, I just, I'm disappointed that, and I really didn't know what today's meeting was about, but I'm disappointed that we had that young lady here from BCA, and she left, and you know, she left because she didn't see any hope,

[3:13:25] me, I'm looking at it, I love my little city.

[3:13:28] I used to be one point nine. It's now two point two. I don't know how, but we have a vision for that building.

[3:13:39] They are our vision. We had a vision before they came to us. They reached out to us.

[3:13:47] We should have said, we'll put it out for a bit. If nobody else bit, guess what?

[3:13:55] They get the pick, nobody has egg on their face, and we get what we want.

[3:14:00] We had this building who was supposed to be taken down, if you remember, oh no, we're going

[3:14:06] to keep it, and we're going to make it in an arts center.

[3:14:09] Then the arts center comes to us and we say no, I'm really crazy.

[3:14:15] I don't like the bickering up here, you know that's not my thing, I come from ten kids, my

[3:14:20] would say, whoever survives has to answer to me. But, you know, really, we got to pull that together.

[3:14:27] Let's work as a team. I really think that before we do any more craziness with these other projects,

[3:14:35] you're thinking, let's talk about this BCA. You're putting it on the back burner. I don't really get why

[3:15:01] Person that should have this property, and we're saying, is it a yellow car or is it a blue car?

[3:15:10] Let's just, it's here. Why aren't we saying thank you?

[3:15:16] And I realize all cities can't do this. Look at top and springs. It hasn't grown. It doesn't have hundreds of hotels or anything. It has kept its dignity.

[3:15:27] We're losing our dignity because we're worried about the money.

[3:15:32] We've already paid taxes.

[3:15:34] It's already built.

[3:15:35] It's ours.

[3:15:37] Let's put in the people we want in.

[3:15:40] Don't let money guide our life.

[3:15:42] I don't let it guide mine.

[3:15:44] Write a better contract.

[3:15:46] I have an apartment.

[3:15:47] I'm going to go over three minutes.

[3:15:49] I'm sorry.

[3:15:49] I have an apartment.

[3:15:50] You rep my apartment.

[3:15:52] I give you air conditioning.

[3:15:53] I give you a stove.

[3:15:55] I give you refrigerator.

[3:15:56] If any of those items break, you pay for it, you repair it, I don't repair it.

[3:16:03] I gave you everything in working condition.

[3:16:06] You signed the contract saying I'm going to get it back in working condition when they

[3:16:11] pay to wall, they give me a gallon of paint of that color.

[3:16:17] Let's be a little bit more creative.

[3:16:19] I'm disappointed in all of you.

[3:16:22] Thank you.

[3:16:23] Anyone else who'd like to speak?

[3:16:24] Yes, Dr. Roberts, after Dr. Roberts, is there anyone else?

[3:16:29] We are at 420 and we've had as much time as we can, I think, a Ford for public comment,

[3:16:37] but we want to give everyone a chance to think a few times this week.

[3:16:40] So, yes, Dr. Roberts.

[3:16:42] Oh, the Shannon Roberts 703 sign of choice drive here in Cape Canaveral, I want to thank you

[3:16:46] for convening this meeting because I really do believe that we need it, the discussion

[3:16:50] that you all have had. And to talk about the core facilities in the city and to talk about

[3:16:55] the vision for the future, I just really appreciate the fact even though you all may not agree,

[3:17:01] we may not agree. You know, I think it was very helpful for us to have this discussion at this

[3:17:05] particular time because otherwise I just feel like it would be very fragmented and understanding where

[3:17:10] each of you come from. And I think this was very helpful. I know to me to hear your different

[3:17:14] perspectives in different approaches. So I want to thank you for having the meeting. I do think

[3:17:21] I know it now, so which is where I had a lot of my career.

[3:17:24] We talked about the vision of the future and this was mentioned by our residents that we really

[3:17:28] need to, in my opinion, look at the vision of the city.

[3:17:32] We always used to talk about taking a 50,000 foot look, you know, down at what we were doing.

[3:17:39] And I think that's important.

[3:17:40] Some of the residents mentioned, you know, this is a heart and soul of our residents.

[3:17:44] We're paying a huge amount of taxes now.

[3:17:46] I'd be willing to pay more just to be able to preserve the precious sense of our city.

[3:17:52] And I do think that there are core services that we are providing for in our taxes,

[3:17:56] that I think to maintain the soul of our city, we need to be careful about what we

[3:18:01] privatized versus maintain as a public, you know, enrichment for our community.

[3:18:07] I would like to mention for the Cape Center that the two aspects of it that are

[3:18:12] from my understanding of the discussion,

[3:18:15] what we've talked about in the past is our history

[3:18:17] of the IIS, the Indians, the Spanish Discovery

[3:18:20] and the Space Program, and that to me is very unique

[3:18:22] to Cape Canaveral, also the educational purpose

[3:18:26] that you all mentioned as part of the discussion

[3:18:28] today of all age groups.

[3:18:31] I think that's the core purpose of what we'll be offering.

[3:18:35] The potential of the Hanson Center, you know,

[3:18:38] I know we've talked about the purchase of that land.

[3:18:40] And we had a vision there that went back to the early 2000s of what we do with the parking

[3:18:46] lot area.

[3:18:48] And we had some wonderful proposals.

[3:18:50] So in my observation, if we do something to request for proposals that the Hanson Center

[3:18:55] be expanded to consider that particularly unique, very precious, very rich land that continues

[3:19:02] to support the Friday Fest and other activities that were envisioned, their stormwater

[3:19:07] preservation, et cetera, things like that, so if we do an RFB for them, and I'm going to

[3:19:12] just mention from the C5, I know for a month, when I'm talking to my neighbors, they wonder

[3:19:16] what the C5 stands for and I'm just mentioning this as we think about the future of potentially

[3:19:21] renaming because it's just on the surface, just doesn't resonate, I don't think. I would like to

[3:19:28] mention that we also charging the community by the use of the rooms, things like that, it seems

[3:19:35] It's a contrary to what we thought we were paying for to build that facility to be charging

[3:19:41] groups to have meetings or serve water purposes to help the community and so forth.

[3:19:47] So that was my major.

[3:19:48] Thank you very much.

[3:19:51] Any further public participation?

[3:19:53] Again, thank you all very much.

[3:19:57] All right, Council, back here for Dr. Robert's comment about the charges for the facilities

[3:20:05] to rent the rooms there. I mean, the library will let you use their facilities for free.

[3:20:10] And that's for charge. And so I think it's a good idea to have some areas open to the

[3:20:14] public that they could reserve and have a meeting, but not an excessive cost. And then also

[3:20:20] one observation, Council Member Wilson, I haven't had a quantist aisle in a lot. And I don't

[3:20:26] think they pay to play tennis there, or record ball. I mean, I don't know, it's just suggestion

[3:20:33] and figure out some way, or are if you're an actual resident

[3:20:36] of Cape Minerable, you don't pay, and we make the money

[3:20:39] of the people who don't live in our city.

[3:20:41] Just a thought.

[3:20:45] That's good.

[3:20:45] I think, thank you, and thank you all again for your comments.

[3:20:49] Just a few things I want to address

[3:20:50] about losing control, Mr. Visson, I'm going to your brought up.

[3:20:52] I think we could write the RFP to address that second of all.

[3:20:55] We haven't made a decision to juice any outsourcing.

[3:20:58] And we say outsourcing, I'm careful with that.

[3:21:01] I think we will look at a draft.

[3:21:04] Nothing's going out.

[3:21:05] It's going to come back before the council and we will issue it and I think control is really

[3:21:09] important.

[3:21:10] I think we could have covenants, provisions, and things that, again, as far as limited to

[3:21:16] service, I think we've been clear on that.

[3:21:20] Volunteers, I think we have those today, I appreciate Mr. Ronks, the same math I'm doing is,

[3:21:28] we're not just looking at revenue, we have made a decision.

[3:21:32] a misstratied product, make a decision, we've made a major decision and one of them was that

[3:21:37] we are not going to increase, we are going to decrease spending.

[3:21:42] We had $20 million in expenditures and we only had 17 million in revenue and we held the

[3:21:49] line on revenue and our city staff, we decreased expenditures.

[3:21:53] That's the most significant decision this city's made in 25 years and we ended a awful

[3:22:00] trajectory. This city was bleeding for 15 years. This is the council that ended the bleeding.

[3:22:07] Today we stand in the decisions we're making today as about a keep center that made zero dollars revenue,

[3:22:13] and it never has to make a dollar in my opinion. We had an opportunity to bring somebody into open the doors

[3:22:19] where we'd lose 20,000 a year. If the doors were closed we're going to still probably lose about 20.

[3:22:25] Like I said, it's a no-brainer. It was a procedural issue. That's where the RFP is where I'm

[3:22:30] No council member, sorry, I think, Mayor Pertim, we talked about in RFP. Two meetings ago, we brought this up. I said,

[3:22:38] should we do, and should we do in RFI and our city attorney at that time said, this was two months ago.

[3:22:46] We were talking about this exact thing. It said, no, you don't need to do in our RFP and then boom, everything shift and said, hey,

[3:22:52] we got this opportunity here and everyone went tunnel vision and go, that's the one, eliminate the RFP and I'm going,

[3:22:59] Nope, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that because I got my favorites. You have your favorites. You have yours

[3:23:07] We that's not what we do. We work as a body. We work in the public and we work towards a majority to make decisions and you will never get me to make a decision on the right one

[3:23:20] My opinion is one and what the major I was not comfortable and I think the biggest important thing

[3:23:26] As far as BCA and losing them, we did not put them on the back burner.

[3:23:34] I don't remember which resident said that.

[3:23:36] In fact, we said Cape Center is number one.

[3:23:40] The contract is written already.

[3:23:43] I think some time went into that.

[3:23:45] Again, Council did not direct our city staff to go and draft a contract for this.

[3:23:52] They did because they believed it was good and they had the authority to do that.

[3:23:55] I'm fine with that.

[3:23:57] There was risk, obvious risk.

[3:23:59] But the good news is, that's not lost.

[3:24:02] That contract is written.

[3:24:05] The Cape Center is defined.

[3:24:09] We can get that RFP out.

[3:24:11] Those six months and areas where RFPs were not scenarios

[3:24:14] that I think is with this one.

[3:24:16] My hope is that BCA is ready,

[3:24:20] and we can have an RFP drafted quickly.

[3:24:23] And I absolutely agree with Dr. Roberts, the IES natives, the heritage, or the history of Cape

[3:24:30] Canaveral, very important, who's going to tell our story, BCA is a fantastic opportunity

[3:24:37] for the city.

[3:24:38] I hope we can get a bit out, and if no one else bids, and BCA says, we're here, why didn't

[3:24:45] you do it sooner?

[3:24:46] To me, I would much rather sit do that and say, we chose them, but at least we follow

[3:24:51] a process that I can stand beside and everyone had an opportunity.

[3:24:56] That's how we have to operate as a local government within integrity.

[3:25:01] And the other way is the one that is right for scrutiny, the one that we were going down.

[3:25:07] And so I want everyone to know, we are not suffering.

[3:25:12] The lights are on.

[3:25:15] The streets are remaining clean.

[3:25:20] The volunteers have stepped up, art, police are responding, our fire are responding, where's the suffering in our city?

[3:25:28] Is the grass a little long? Is that the problem? We've heard volunteers step up, we heard today, thank you.

[3:25:36] Let's be honest with ourselves, there is no doubt that the decisions that were made resulted in impacting people's lives that were a part of this city

[3:25:45] And our city staff, and I think that extremely seriously, but we could not continue at 20 million dollars a year when we only had 17,

[3:25:55] 16, 17 million dollars in revenue.

[3:25:58] We ended the real tragedy.

[3:26:01] It was 15 years of deficit spending borrowing from reserves and then what we really, and I will say it exposed because we did not give debt.

[3:26:11] We did not give tax increases, and we did not have a windfall of grants.

[3:26:17] Was that we never assumed that when reserves went to a level that it would not be disclosed

[3:26:26] in the budget as our code requires, and we realized it happened one year.

[3:26:33] New city manager came in and we caught it the second time, so we addressed it in one year.

[3:26:38] The future of this city is up.

[3:26:42] We are not trading water, we are moving in the right direction.

[3:26:46] The fiscal year ended September 30th.

[3:26:49] That year was funded.

[3:26:51] This facility has remained closed for, we're not October.

[3:26:55] We're talking about if it sits,

[3:26:58] as Mr. Ronk said, for 120 days in Q1,

[3:27:02] that the net impact is greater than if it was open

[3:27:08] And that was never the priority, but I am saying today, let's get Cape Center out and least.

[3:27:15] Let's get the C5 on board, I agree C5, let's get the Cape Canaveral Community Center.

[3:27:21] It is a very confusing thing.

[3:27:23] That's its legal name, but I think we've embraced C5.

[3:27:27] It is confusing.

[3:27:28] I want to work with this community.

[3:27:30] Most importantly, I want to work with this council.

[3:27:33] There's so much bad information going out.

[3:27:36] there's narratives that are cannot be factually backed up. We didn't lose money. This city staff

[3:27:44] has worked so hard. And the team with SLA is the team that I believe with this council that

[3:27:51] will say in 15 years this was the greatest moment that this city has ever went through and it is

[3:27:58] being portrayed by a few as the worst moment in the saddest moment. This city just made a

[3:28:06] major, major turn, and it came with pain.

[3:28:10] I love each one of these council members up here.

[3:28:14] Every single one of them, and I love this community at large.

[3:28:17] I know them all.

[3:28:18] I've known them for years, where a two square mile city,

[3:28:21] you can't not know each other.

[3:28:24] And I know each one of us care,

[3:28:26] and it's a sad that we've had opportunities to,

[3:28:29] I think, work through, and we've went,

[3:28:31] and I've had my moments, and I make mistakes,

[3:28:34] But guys, we are going to work together.

[3:28:37] I'm sorry that some of you are disappointed.

[3:28:40] When you look at the math, we want to make it right.

[3:28:43] And there's nothing I heard that we can't do.

[3:28:47] We are getting through this.

[3:28:50] The data is proving there's more challenges,

[3:28:53] but our city staff is holding the line.

[3:28:55] And when you look at the math,

[3:28:57] this is a huge milestone for our city.

[3:29:01] Again, go back and what was happening was not being disclosed accurately in the budget.

[3:29:10] We called it today, we're actually doing something about it and we are making decisions.

[3:29:17] We're making big decisions and today we made a decision to put it out to bid.

[3:29:22] We established a priority of those bids with the Cape Center at the top or city manager

[3:29:27] has communicated direction. That's the motion. I think on the table, Council, I don't have

[3:29:32] to have the last word, but I love our community. We've gotten comment and I just, I feel

[3:29:38] like, I've sat back and I've heard like narratives go and I'm like, we have smart people,

[3:29:44] but it's not operating on good information. And so, I'm here. I support the motion that's on

[3:29:52] table and any comments or further discussion.

[3:30:01] We can't do that. No, we're not putting. I'll answer. The question was putting it out of bed. We can't do that, miss, uh,

[3:30:08] vicinity, um, is to bring back a document to consider putting it out to bed. That is all that's being

[3:30:15] decided. It is my hope that in 30 days we could actually have the Cape Center bid documents pretty much

[3:30:21] ready to go. The council, it might even be draft a few changes. And between November, December,

[3:30:27] early January. I mean, ideally, when out in December, what's the shortest time frame we can legally put on it?

[3:30:34] If it's 30 days, I think our city may turn east, it might have been 30, 60 days. Whatever that is.

[3:30:40] And we're awarding somebody January, February, would be my hope.

[3:30:46] And they're moving in on the new year. And so, but those decisions will be made in the next meeting.

[3:30:52] where we are not, this council will decide in a future meeting on whether or not it goes out to bed.

[3:30:59] We've requested for that to be brought back.

[3:31:05] You're welcome. Thank you.

[3:31:08] Council any other comments? The motion was made by Council Member Shoryak and

[3:31:11] seconded by Council Member Willis.

[3:31:23] Your non-city clerk, please call the roll.

[3:31:26] Mayor Pritem Jackson.

[3:31:28] Councilmember King against Mayor Morrison or Councilmember Shoria for in Councilmember Willis for

[3:31:37] All right the motion has stated

[3:31:40] adopted for

[3:31:43] To one

[3:31:44] Foreign support one against and with that that takes us that is it. We had one item tonight council. We don't have reports because this is a special meeting and

[3:31:56] if there's not anything else city manager? Yes sir. I have, there was some comments that were made during

[3:32:02] public comment. I just wanted to address the first is about KVU elementary school,

[3:32:08] one resident commenter about it. There have been a change, what's going on with that,

[3:32:14] and the school district has not done anything with that, but we talk about KVU elementary school all the

[3:32:20] because we know that at some point in time they're going to need to divest themselves

[3:32:25] of that property and that property lies within the corporate city limits of

[3:32:30] Cape Canaveral in his own for public and government use and at some point in time

[3:32:34] there will be formal discussion on Cape U.L. and entry so to say that you know we

[3:32:39] we talk about it all the time don't be surprised if it comes up but you know we're

[3:32:44] just showing it we're making people aware of it these could be potential opportunities

[3:32:49] for consideration, actually we would be remiss if we were not speaking about

[3:32:53] KV Elementary. So I just wanted to be clear about that. And secondly, as far as

[3:32:58] the Bavar County Sheriff's investigation goes, there's been no change on that. I

[3:33:02] reported this to the people who attended the coffee with the City Manager, the

[3:33:07] lead investigator in the case has finished the report that report is being reviewed

[3:33:11] by that investigator's superiors. I cannot move them any faster than they're

[3:33:17] to go when they say it's done and they give it to us it's done and I can't predict when that's going to be

[3:33:23] I did confirm be a text during this meeting if there was any changes from Friday and the response is no change is still waiting

[3:33:30] but I will tell you when it's done and I will get it to you so I'm not going to bother them anymore

[3:33:35] I'll know when they tell me and it's no change until that time

[3:33:40] Thank you for that. I just appreciate that and I appreciate the community's patience. That's a big deal

[3:33:45] We know it's a big deal and we want to get out that information as soon as it's available.

[3:33:52] Thank you.

[3:33:53] City Attorney in the comments.

[3:33:55] Thank you.

[3:33:57] City Clerk's office.

[3:33:58] Any one with us?

[3:34:00] City Council.

[3:34:01] Looking for a most new adjourn.

[3:34:03] New adjourn.

[3:34:04] Thank you so much for watching, and I'll see you in the next video, and I'll see you in the next video, and I'll see you in the next video.

City Council Special Meeting 10.27.2026

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