[0:04] All the Crystal City Council meeting to order. Let's start with roll call, please.

[0:09] Council member Cummings. Here.

[0:11] Council member Ideville is absent. Council member Camish. Here.

[0:15] Council member Kaiser. Here. Council member Vanessa Rosen. Here.

[0:19] Mayor Adam. Here.

[0:20] Council member Buduszewski. Here.

[0:22] We have a quorum.

[0:23] All right, let's rise for a pledge of allegiance.

[0:28] The allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

[0:32] And you would be public for which stands one nation under God individual with liberty and justice for all.

[0:46] All right.

[0:46] We have an agenda before us.

[0:47] And we have one adjustment for the temporary on sale.

[0:51] The girl license that was missed.

[0:54] That's an idea.

[0:56] I'm going to 5.2.

[0:57] With that modification, I'm looking for a motion to pass that agenda.

[1:09] I will make a motion to approve the consent agenda.

[1:13] All right, second.

[1:14] I'd like to second that.

[1:16] All members in favor, please say aye.

[1:18] Aye.

[1:18] Opposed, aye.

[1:19] Motion carries.

[1:23] We do have a couple of proclamations today.

[1:25] I'll read those into the record for those proclamations.

[1:28] First one is National Police Week for May 12th to the 18th, 2024.

[1:34] Whereas the week of May 12th to the 18th, 2024 is National Police Week.

[1:38] week in the United States, whereas there are over 800,000 law enforcement officers serving

[1:45] in communities across the United States, including the dedicated members of the Crystal

[1:50] Police Department, whereas over 56,000 assaults against law enforcement officers are

[1:58] reported each year, resulting in over 17,000 injuries, whereas since the first record

[2:05] It reported death in 1786, the total of 24,067 law enforcement officers in the United States

[2:13] have made the ultimate sacrifice and died in the line of duty, including 305 Minnesota

[2:20] law enforcement officers.

[2:22] Whereas the name of these dedicated police servants are engraved on the walls of the National

[2:28] enforcement memorial in Washington, DC.

[2:32] Whereas 282 new names of fallen heroes, including two officers from Minnesota, are being added

[2:39] to the national law enforcement memorial this spring, including 118 line of duty deaths in

[2:46] 2023 and 164 who have died previous years, but whose stories of sacrifice have been lost

[2:54] to history until now.

[2:55] Whereas May 15th is designated peace officer Memorial Day in honor of all fallen officers

[3:02] and their families, and the U.S. flag should be flown at half-staff.

[3:07] Now, therefore, I, Jim Adams, Mayor of the City of Crystal, do hereby recognize and promote

[3:12] May 12th through the 18th 2024 as National Police Week in the City of Crystal, and call upon

[3:18] the people of Crystal to observe this week in honor of the men in the women who served diligently

[3:25] and professionally to keep the residents of the city of Crystal safe.

[3:29] Data this 7th day of May 2024.

[3:36] The second proclamation is for public works week,

[3:41] and that's going to be May 19th to the 25th, 2024,

[3:45] whereas the public infrastructure of the city of Crystal is an integral part of our everyday lives.

[3:50] And whereas the health, safety, comfort of the residents, visitors, businesses,

[3:55] greatly depend on the public infrastructure and services.

[3:57] And, whereas support from the encouraging, from an encouraging understanding and

[4:03] informed citizenry, is vital to the enforcement operation of public infrastructure

[4:08] system and programs including transportation, building facilities, park and forestry,

[4:15] water supply, and treatment centers, who are in service water management.

[4:19] And, whereas Crystal's Public Works Department is committed to the mission of quality

[4:23] design, construction, operation and maintenance of the City Public Infrastructure, and we're

[4:30] as continued community support and resources are essential for the Public Works Department

[4:34] to carry out its mission, and therefore, I, Jim Adams, Mayor of the City of Chris

[4:39] to do here by proclaim May 19 through the 25th, 2024, as public works week in the City of

[4:46] Crystal and Recognize every day commitment made by the Public Works Department to the

[4:50] these health safety comfort in overall quality of life.

[4:54] They did this 7th day of May 2024.

[5:01] That is our proclamations of the day.

[5:06] Next we do have an appearance. We have our head up in county commissioner

[5:10] John Jeff Lundy here to address the public and the council. Please support. It will give us an update

[5:17] for the city of Bristol.

[5:21] Welcome, Jeff. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and council members.

[5:27] I don't know if there's a presentation up.

[5:31] I thought it was going to give you good news and said.

[5:33] I want to have a presentation, but thanks to Dilson work for your city manager, how many of you?

[5:38] I don't know.

[5:39] I don't know how many pages I think it's seven or eight.

[5:42] Oh, that's so much better than 73.

[5:45] I will try to be entertaining, be it fast, if I may.

[5:50] So, Joe Condy and I'm a Commissioner of Representing Broken Park Book and Center for Oceo, Crystal

[5:54] New Hope in Robinsdale.

[5:58] And so, just here, to kind of give an update, answer some questions, and then, you know, just do everything I can.

[6:03] to make sure that what you need that the county is providing.

[6:08] So I'll skip the first slide, so I'm already moving faster.

[6:11] Second slide, I just want to tell you what things I'm sharing.

[6:15] So at the county, I tend to be the person who chairs the criminal justice issues.

[6:20] So last safety in justice, which is the Equimals, our Public Safety Committee.

[6:24] Also chair, the criminal justice court and committee, which is all the different aspects.

[6:28] Please, prosecutors, defenders, judges, corrections, probation,

[6:31] in cities, mayors, all we have what 20, 8 of us, we get together,

[6:37] quarterly and talk about systemic issues that we're trying to do.

[6:40] Example would be last summer where the court corrections and prosecutors

[6:44] got together so that when kids fled from a police officer,

[6:49] he became an automatic hold.

[6:50] So before it was, you have to add a point,

[6:53] whether you hold a kid in the juvenile detention center.

[6:56] That became an automatic hold because of the,

[6:58] what was happening is the escalating behavior.

[7:00] take it, let out, and go right back out, and so what we start to do is interrupt that.

[7:04] So that's an example of when the system kind of comes together, hopefully.

[7:08] That's the thing you just working on and see the blue line, and then also this last year I

[7:13] chaired a task force for this Minnesota State legislature on Youth Interventions, and

[7:20] cover these slides. Sorry, it's okay. I'll just keep going. I'll probably be faster that way.

[7:27] I'll just talk about youth interventions, first is just really looking at issues that challenges

[7:32] that we face in Minnesota that when kids are determined that they need mental health

[7:38] treatment as part of their accountability. Again, we don't determine who's accountable,

[7:43] how it's accountable, but when they are going somewhere, I'll just say it this way. If you

[7:47] have Jeff, they have her brother Jeremy, right? We both suffer from some trauma that happened

[7:53] when you read younger, I take a swing at Tajik.

[7:56] I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[7:58] And he doesn't press charges.

[8:01] They find that I need mental health treatment

[8:03] that I have trauma that was triggered by something

[8:05] in my childhood.

[8:07] And I go into a system called DHS, right?

[8:10] Health news services.

[8:11] So our brother takes a swing at your city attorney.

[8:14] City attorney, not quite as forgiving.

[8:16] He presses charges.

[8:18] My brother goes into the correction site, DOC.

[8:21] It's the same problem, same kids, same issues, same swings, different paths, and they go different

[8:28] directions.

[8:29] And in most states, they've taken up with those paths together to say the fact my brother

[8:33] and I took a swing and somebody, we did the same thing, but I didn't have to charge this

[8:38] press against me.

[8:39] Now, in Minnesota, we have another thing, which is the fact that maybe later on I'm getting

[8:44] treatment, I'm doing better, but I take a swing at Prince Cosmar Kaiser.

[8:48] She pressed this charges. I get moved out of my where I'm at into the corrections. So this kind of balancing back and forth has kids going there.

[8:57] And so what happens with the intervention task force looked at was all those different aspects.

[9:03] And many things like, you know, we talk about you've heard people say we don't have a place to put these people.

[9:10] The fact is, in Minnesota, third of the beds in the state that should be available for mental health treatment are not staffed.

[9:17] And so it's not, we don't have a staff to have them.

[9:22] And so kids, language, kids go places.

[9:26] We heard testimony from a girl who was

[9:28] had lived experience.

[9:30] She, as she said, I didn't feel accountability

[9:32] until I got sent away.

[9:34] So that's a problem.

[9:35] But when she started to make progress, the system

[9:37] is like an escalator.

[9:38] It moves in through the system, grabs them off.

[9:40] So maybe if my radams is my mentor, and he's,

[9:43] I'm making a good progress.

[9:44] Oops, six months is up.

[9:46] I moved to customer comments, right?

[9:49] And so now I've got to start all over.

[9:50] And so the system is very disjointed,

[9:52] and it doesn't work well.

[9:54] So here's the bad news.

[9:56] 1990, they had a similar task force.

[9:58] They came back with a pretty...

[10:00] We close the same report. We delivered and you can figure. If we 25 years later, we're doing the same thing, that meant the state didn't do things. So it's our hope to do that because we know if we can do better job. And when kids have accountability delivered that they don't get back out and go right back the same thing. Because if my brother and I, that trauma is not fixed and we get released, let's see how it's going to go out and take a note of the swing and somebody pretty high. Because I haven't fixed anything and neither of us. So that's what the goal was, was to look at that. There's lots of things that we need as a state.

[10:29] to do, and only the state legislature can enact those, not the cities, not the counties, it

[10:35] is a legislature. So I heard questions, you guys are getting on my side alive. I've texted

[10:43] a few of you and some of you that were blessed that I don't have your cell phone, count your

[10:46] blessings. Sorry, we're Adams. That's remember that we're Hinnabakani, we did something

[10:56] In 2021, we did violence against grants, which were community-based grants.

[11:01] We used our company to put $5 million dollars out on the street to help fund violence

[11:05] prevention.

[11:05] Then, with to five groups, it was very targeted, it was after, you know, the unrest, you

[11:11] had the, all the shutdowns, you had people, I think lots of things that were really affecting

[11:16] people.

[11:17] And you also had George Floyd being killed and I think that caused a lot of people to question

[11:20] lots of things.

[11:21] And so we put $5 million on the street, we got it out there fast.

[11:25] That's 2021, 2022, the county created a department called Safe Communities to look horizontal across the county.

[11:34] Every day, the county is working with 3,500 youth.

[11:38] Could be food support, rental support, could be mental health, it could be corrections.

[11:42] Actually, 99% of the kids in our county are not on the news.

[11:47] Everybody thinks they see kids, they see people in the news, it's not the case.

[11:50] So we've created that department of course,

[11:52] on only 2022.

[11:54] We also created something called Anti-Hate Initiative,

[11:56] which is to look at hate.

[11:57] And I think right now, you can look at some of our campuses

[11:59] and you've got to fulfill that,

[12:01] where people are saying a lot of things

[12:02] that make people feel unsafe.

[12:05] 2023, the county took those vines for vision grants.

[12:09] Now we fund them with county taxes,

[12:11] which I assure is a city you guys

[12:13] love to spend other people's money,

[12:15] prefer we move from spending no people's money

[12:18] to spending county money.

[12:19] So that meant even more of a commitment because it's always easier.

[12:23] This time, instead of having five groups,

[12:26] I think it was 46 to 48 groups got money all across the county.

[12:30] And then the other 50 that didn't get money,

[12:32] we kept in a cohort.

[12:34] So we didn't just say, sorry, you don't get any money.

[12:37] We actually are keeping working with them,

[12:39] try to help them grow as nonprofits,

[12:41] churches, whatever they are.

[12:42] So we've got a roster of close to 100 organizations

[12:45] that are really focused on community-led safety and use.

[12:49] So that's 2023, 2024, and this is the long answer to Council of Regents, he's comment.

[12:57] We started this safe community summit, which will be in May 16th through the 18th.

[13:02] Everybody here is invited, City of Crystal, Police staff, City staff, and Elected, it will

[13:09] be at the Brooklyn Park, Marriott, and Minneapolis Marriott North West, like this,

[13:14] It'll be 16 through the 18th and 16th and 17th.

[13:17] Our two days of sessions really geared toward helping

[13:20] pull us together.

[13:21] Every city and school district in the counties

[13:24] has been invited.

[13:26] I think we've hit the halfway point.

[13:29] It's a who's coming.

[13:30] And I know as suburban agencies, you guys have other jobs.

[13:34] And so we know people that will get their best they can.

[13:37] So I've got some text messages, I'll sense emails.

[13:40] Or if you're like, I can go for an afternoon, sign up.

[13:43] If you can go to one session, sign up.

[13:45] Day one is a little heavier on the county.

[13:48] About what we're trying to do.

[13:50] Day two is a partnership with a group called Cities United.

[13:54] So Cities United.org.

[13:56] And I'll get your presentations.

[13:57] You guys have that.

[13:58] But if you want to check it out, they are the thing that will

[14:01] Compark use when I was mayor to lower youth calls for service by 60%.

[14:06] We focused quite heavily on the work.

[14:10] And what they do is they allow a city to do a slot.

[14:12] strength weakness, opportunity threat, self analysis, take that, compare that to national best practices,

[14:20] across I think it's 14 or 16 categories, and then allow you to come up with what they call roadmap

[14:25] or plan, because often here people say, I want to do something, I don't know where to start,

[14:30] I need money, I tell you what, money is not, it's the last thing it comes, you have a plan, money in my

[14:35] book is always followed, good plans. And so this allows a city to come up with your plan, it's not the

[14:40] is planned. It can be crystals, it can be broken-park. Whatever city wants to do it, it's

[14:46] your plan, your community, your efforts, and everything is geared toward that. And so this

[14:51] is free. I would encourage you if you have interest. I know a couple of you have signed up

[14:56] and you can make it even if it's real a little bit. If you're not sure if you can make it, please sign

[15:00] We'll get follow-up information, but the goal last summer I went to 23 public safety meetings across the county because I'm letting for punishment, right?

[15:11] Lots of finger pointing, lots of complaining, lots of unhappiness, right?

[15:15] And I cannot think of a single thing out of all those means, I came out of any of those means, because we're all focused on complaining. All of us, myself included, right?

[15:23] And so this summer we're trying to set the stage about what can we do together, we can do it better if we do it together.

[15:28] And so this summit, if you crystal staff,

[15:33] at least, can come and start to hear ideas.

[15:36] The second day, that Friday, if you only have one day,

[15:38] you can go, we'll have national speakers being coming in

[15:41] to talk about things that they've done.

[15:43] You're going to hear some cities talk about how they've failed

[15:45] at every possible way to do things to they found the right way.

[15:49] And the idea is really to say that if you're not sure no one else is

[15:53] and to really kind of find those tools.

[15:55] And so that organization is available free of charge.

[15:58] The last day is there's a boot camp which is if the city crystal or whatever city says we want to go into this planning part.

[16:08] It'll be a boot camp that we're paying for the technical systems to be available for the city to start that plan.

[16:13] And again, up to you guys.

[16:15] I mean you can come get ideas.

[16:17] You can come and just say hey we're going to browse a little bit just a little bit for the most part.

[16:21] It's okay.

[16:22] The last thing I'll say, so I'm no need for the presentation, so this summer we're leaning

[16:31] into municipal consent.

[16:33] So for every city here, you know, Crystal, for Compar, Robin still Minneapolis, I'll

[16:39] have the opportunity to give or not give a municipal consent or in some cases say we're

[16:43] not going to give an answer, but these are conditions.

[16:46] I would expect, you know, August timeframe, they'll be the met council in the Hennep

[16:51] County have to kick it off by announcing the minutes for consent process.

[16:55] Hand up the county as forgiveness for consent to see a note, so we go through the same process.

[17:00] When that moment's kicks off, there will be roughly a 45 day period where cities have to have at least one public hearing.

[17:06] You can have multiple and that's not opportunity to gather feedback.

[17:09] At the end of that 45 day session, there will be within 30 days, there has to be a vote.

[17:15] And that's up to yours on the minutes of consent.

[17:17] And so I think you'll see the summer there'll be a number of lively meetings that I tend to like the host, where people can get together and ask questions, and people ask direct questions, fun questions, not fun questions.

[17:29] I'll make sure that any crystal that the entire council is aware of it so if you want to combine great, you know, at your choice.

[17:37] So we'll make those available as well.

[17:39] And then the last thing and this is one of the slides is and you can see it when I send it out is, if you see a map, it's actually,

[17:46] I don't know if it's a good map because what the message is bad was you've you see a heat map of all the transit

[17:52] You'll see the circle, which is my district that has

[17:57] One heat map it's off the circle symbol consider

[18:01] Empty pretty much that's transit in our district if you took that circle and you put over people in poverty

[18:06] You find out they land up pretty dang pretty good

[18:10] Then if you had another one which is demographics lines are pretty good as well

[18:14] You'd almost say if one was sarcastic like me that it sure looks like it was planned.

[18:18] I don't have transit. I have all the people who are poor and I have the people who

[18:23] different demographics than historically Minnesota. And so you look at that. You really see

[18:28] this is why the county board believes like rail is one of those solutions. He said the solution

[18:32] of the only solution. No. But from my aspect of when you see that map and you'll see it,

[18:37] the circle in there. It drives a lot of things. And so I will make myself

[18:43] we will follow the summer answer questions. I will never tell you how to

[18:46] vote. I would just provide every piece of information I can and I know how

[18:50] you see take feedback on things that you want to see. If it comes, I need this and

[18:55] so I'll do that absolutely best to receive that and so with that I'll stop

[19:00] having no slides. So I'm going to go back as fast as I could do it.

[19:04] So the presentation that you had just said is that the one

[19:09] gets back in the Senate, hopefully I didn't see him run, so that's all I had

[19:18] and I'm available up to your review.

[19:22] All right, questions for Jeff, before we let him go?

[19:25] I think he answered my, because I was talking about the summit,

[19:36] the

[19:36] Yeah, I plan on being there on the 17th, so I signed up today, but yeah, I'm looking forward to see what that's all about participating, so.

[19:45] Yeah, and something we have opened it up a little bit as we got closer.

[19:48] So if you have community members, maybe it's a key nonprofit or a church that you think would be good in that situation.

[19:55] port in the link. They can sign up. We have over, actually. We heard spots.

[20:00] That was 200 over full. So we have room by design and there's a virtual option too. You just won't be able to see break out session.

[20:08] But I love to have you and if you can go and get there for one event, please sign up. I'll put it that way. Anyone else?

[20:17] What's happening with the closure of her?

[20:22] It closed down last week.

[20:25] No.

[20:25] Okay, thank you.

[20:27] Right with no.

[20:29] If it is, I would say, a volume of council members.

[20:32] Conspiracy would know the first.

[20:34] So right now, that plan that we laid out when I was here before, we talked about all the steps that need to be done.

[20:40] And so right now, we're waiting for the legislators to start doing their work,

[20:42] which is there are some things that they have to do.

[20:46] So the herk is not going to get shot down until we have an ability to do a lot of things.

[20:50] and we need to legislate our act.

[20:52] So we've talked about producer responsible packaging,

[20:55] we've talked about other things.

[20:56] So as of right now, until we get the legislative act on that,

[20:59] and there was score funding, there was manufacturers,

[21:03] responsibilities for packaging.

[21:06] Excuse your question, we're continuing to work forward on that.

[21:10] I do think that we have this conversation,

[21:13] there will be a plan to develop the summer

[21:14] to talk about organics recycling.

[21:16] I know you guys have talked about it,

[21:18] but education, helping people be more aware

[21:20] rather than just discovering in their bill that they're getting charged.

[21:24] Thank you.

[21:25] All right.

[21:26] I got some comments on light rail.

[21:30] Obviously you have a pretty good idea of how I feel about a lot of that.

[21:34] You know, we came into this new alignment with a extreme amount of or lack of trust.

[21:42] And through this process of the last year and a half or however long it's been since we've got

[21:46] new alignment, or towards that.

[21:49] The trust hasn't been restored.

[21:51] A lot of things we've asked for have been ignored.

[21:54] Or a cursory, OK, here you go, without the proper background.

[22:00] So we've been responding with letters to the project office.

[22:04] I think you've seen the letters

[22:05] to not getting responses.

[22:09] When it comes to municipal consent, we've

[22:14] a window about this much, maybe it's a month, maybe it's two, I'm not sure, but there's a lot

[22:19] of information that the project office has said, well, you need to be engaged, and then

[22:24] when we engage, they say, no, not until June, you know, and it's just like, okay, which way

[22:30] is it?

[22:31] So the frustration is getting high, and the questions I've asked at the CMC meeting, which,

[22:39] of course, you were at, just don't get answered, they just don't get answered.

[22:44] So, we're going to get those answers supposedly, and I want to refer to our metrics of the

[22:51] needs for transit.

[22:52] You remember that meeting?

[22:54] We're not going to get those still June's end of June as I think that was when it is.

[22:59] And to be able to respond to that, plus all the things that we've asked 10 up in county

[23:04] with road turnbacks and all the things to make things work around that.

[23:13] We're just in a place where it's becoming frustrating.

[23:17] We're going to CMC meeting, and now it's going to be the city's opportunity to say what our point of views are.

[23:24] Well, we've done that.

[23:26] We've sent the letters.

[23:27] We've sent the responses.

[23:28] And now we're going to do that in public.

[23:31] I would really love to see how to have been county talk a little bit more specifically about what their concerns are.

[23:39] Because the way it's setting up is the city's come Thursday,

[23:43] are going to be, you know, carrying all the weight.

[23:46] It's been a one-size-fits-all for every single city.

[23:50] I think we have an agreement.

[23:52] It was amazing to see the agreement between the blue line coalition,

[23:58] the anti-displacement group, Minneapolis, and us.

[24:02] And that agreement was the lack of trust.

[24:05] That didn't feel good.

[24:07] And that's where we are going, and as we get there in just a few months,

[24:15] we're going

[24:15] to resolve all of that in a few months.

[24:18] I'm not sure how that's going to happen.

[24:21] So I want you to know that I have real big concerns of getting that done by August.

[24:29] I, you know, other people have asked for extensions.

[24:32] And I don't have faith that it's going to be accomplished.

[24:41] So do what you can to step up in terms of responsiveness, responding to our letters.

[24:47] Some of the things you have come through and had the little hanging fruit has been accomplished,

[24:53] I think, already.

[24:54] But there's an awful lot that doesn't fit a transit.

[25:00] Program. And you also know my biggest frustration. We don't have transit in crystal. And you talked about that layover, that map layover. We're no different.

[25:11] And if the metric is such that we're looking for people who are dependent on transit inside a crystal, we're not going to find them. Because they don't move here, because there's no transit. So I'm going to be very curious to see what those metrics are.

[25:26] And if they're going to be more prone towards the development project or more towards the transit product product product.

[25:36] We have a highway.

[25:38] We can put a bus on it.

[25:42] It doesn't have to be BRT. It doesn't have to be light rail.

[25:45] It just needs to be transit.

[25:47] And that can be done with a bus and a driver.

[25:49] We don't need a designated lane.

[25:51] Traffic is flowing.

[25:53] Are we going to get serious about transit or not?

[25:56] So those are my concerns. Those are the things that I feel like are not being heard. Unfortunately, you'll have to hear it again Thursday.

[26:03] I'm sorry.

[26:10] I'll just accept that.

[26:12] I think the one thing that I've talked to the city about is just create a list and start not going to knock it off.

[26:18] And then if there's things that you're saying here's, here's 11 things and it might grow as people are like,

[26:23] I haven't got one add. We did that when I did IT projects. It was just not

[26:29] called the things put it down and full view so that everybody has that.

[26:32] Some answers might be the no. That's fine. I always think it's sometimes the best answer

[26:40] because it didn't move on or you don't move on. I think that we can start to knock those out.

[26:45] I will do this. I will work with staff to come up with that thing that you get a view of

[26:51] All of you, that it's in full view, I don't,

[26:53] it can be in the public view, it doesn't matter me,

[26:55] to really lay those out and if there's other things identified.

[26:58] But I think that how do you trust,

[27:01] it's my knocking out small steps.

[27:03] So I will commit to walking through that process.

[27:07] All right.

[27:08] Thank you.

[27:09] Thanks for taking the time to come see us, to share with that.

[27:12] I know you go to, you've got a lot on your plate.

[27:15] So thank you for your work.

[27:17] Thank you, thank you for your time.

[27:18] And if anybody has questions about the safety

[27:20] communities, or if you have other people that might be interested in community, always text me.

[27:25] I've got that link that I forward you to forward it down to others.

[27:28] So thank you for your time.

[27:29] All right.

[27:30] Thank you.

[27:41] All right.

[27:42] Next on the agenda is our consent agenda.

[27:44] The council will consider the falling items which are non-controversial in nature.

[27:48] We'll do that in a single motion.

[27:49] First item is the approval of the minutes from the falling meetings.

[27:52] It's the City Council work session on April 11, 2024.

[27:57] It's also the Council meeting on April 16th and the work session from that same date.

[28:03] Approval of the list of license applications submitted by the City Clerk to the City Council.

[28:08] That list is on file in your office.

[28:11] And then adoption of a resolution of accepting donations and adoption of a resolution.

[28:17] Approving the participation of an open county housing and redevelopment authority in the affordable housing project.

[28:28] I would like to make a motion to approve the consent agenda.

[28:31] Thank you.

[28:32] Thank you for a second.

[28:33] Go ahead, David.

[28:33] I will second that.

[28:35] Members in favour please say aye.

[28:37] Opposed in aye.

[28:39] Motion carries.

[28:41] Open form.

[28:44] All right.

[28:48] So just a reminder to the public.

[28:50] Open form is a time where you can address the council.

[28:54] We allow three minutes for each topic.

[28:56] 10 minutes, or I'm sorry, each person, 10 minutes for each topic.

[29:02] And it's just an opportunity to kind of express what you want to express.

[29:05] Public hears you, council hears you, staff hears you.

[29:09] So that's what this is about.

[29:10] So first person is John Lindholm.

[29:14] Please step forward to the podium there.

[29:16] Stage your name.

[29:16] Address.

[29:17] Make sure that you're just the mic if you need to be.

[29:19] If you're...

[29:20] Oh, it looks good.

[29:21] I can hear you.

[29:22] Okay.

[29:22] John Lindholm.

[29:23] Eight, one, one, seven, thirty, second Avenue North.

[29:26] It's in the Wenecke Hills area.

[29:29] I just have a concern with my some pump box that the city put out

[29:33] in the 90s when they did curb and gutter everywhere.

[29:37] This started back in September.

[29:39] I noticed the lid was starting to come off.

[29:42] It's below grade.

[29:44] Once I took the lid off it, I noticed the box was crushing.

[29:48] I started cutting the roots out around it.

[29:50] into the tree-five feet from it. I finally said, well, what should I do? I call the

[29:55] city. They decided public works was responsible. Well, this has been going...

[30:00] And I still got nothing accomplished. I know Ben is a person I've been in contact with, with public works, and he started out having to do his managers work, his work, or somebody left right about then.

[30:15] He didn't finally come out and take pictures of it. When I really was asking for, it was just an extension for it. So I could bring it up to grade and put a cover back on it.

[30:26] And I've just been getting it run around.

[30:28] I talk to him, he promises to order something,

[30:32] he says the order of something, then he says,

[30:34] then two months ago, by I call him again,

[30:38] what's going on?

[30:38] Well, they don't have that, but I found another one.

[30:41] Two months ago, by I call him again.

[30:44] Well, I found a new play, two weeks, well,

[30:46] this has been two months.

[30:48] So I just help me.

[30:50] I don't know what to do.

[30:51] I do have photos of it, but I mean,

[30:53] It's just, it's a mess and I don't, he didn't have an answer for me as to who put the tree there.

[30:59] I didn't, I've been there 22 years.

[31:01] But it's all within that 12 foot.

[31:04] So, that project was done before you, but...

[31:07] Yes.

[31:08] Just before.

[31:09] Yeah. Probably the homeowner at that time.

[31:12] So, I just need help on how am I going to get this, you know.

[31:16] Okay.

[31:17] I think what we'll do is we'll put you on the constituent issue of update

[31:21] And then we'll make sure that the council gets updated as to what the status is of your project.

[31:25] Okay.

[31:26] Adam will make sure that...

[31:27] I'll follow up on it.

[31:28] Okay follow up.

[31:29] We've got the contact.

[31:29] I have photos on digital, if I need to email that to anybody.

[31:36] I'll...

[31:37] We have your contact information.

[31:40] Let's speak with that tomorrow.

[31:41] Okay.

[31:42] All right.

[31:43] I appreciate it.

[31:44] Thanks for hearing me out.

[31:45] Yeah.

[31:51] Anybody else wishing to speak to?

[31:53] open forum. See no one approach. We will close open forum and move on to the regular agenda.

[32:01] The regular agenda starts with the disbursements of $25,000 a greater. It's another list.

[32:09] So here we go. I'll read those into the record waste management, each RG for the March

[32:23] $7,880, a little value joint water commission for March water charges, $155,945.

[32:34] I met council for wastewater services for May, $143,220.

[32:39] dollars.

[32:40] Try State Bobcat Inc for Toolcat and Attachments, 93,238 dollars.

[32:48] Waste management for March, Work and Center in New Hope, recycling, 51,731 dollars.

[32:55] West Metra Fire Rescue District for April contributions to the West Metra Fire Rescue District,

[33:01] 136,218 dollars.

[33:03] Gold and Valley Joint Water Commission for the February billing correction, $53,315.

[33:14] I arrest electronic payments for the Federal and FICA withholding taxes for $4,224 for paid.

[33:21] That's the pay date.

[33:23] 68,679 dollars, Minnesota para for the Employee City Required Contributions for the same

[33:29] $7,284 total dispersements of $25,000 or greater is $81 or $881,997.33 cents.

[33:42] Question from the council on any of these items.

[33:45] Just curious on all the recycling.

[33:49] What's the city of Brooklyn Park?

[33:52] And then we have the cities of Brooklyn Center in New Hope.

[33:56] What is that?

[33:57] So under the HRG, Brooklyn Center, New Hope, and Christopher's three communes that are the members of the HRG.

[34:08] The city of Brooklyn Park, the staff member, it's actually an employee at the city of Brooklyn Park, is the director of the HRG.

[34:15] And so that we pay the administrative fee to the city of Brooklyn Park directly.

[34:20] The city also pays for the Brooklyn Center

[34:23] new hope, recycling charters, and then we

[34:27] invoiced them, so we get that data act.

[34:30] The portion.

[34:33] Is that clarify?

[34:35] Is it that any

[34:40] other questions?

[34:49] All right, looking for a motion.

[34:52] Go ahead, trees.

[34:53] I'll make a motion to approve the expenditures over 25,000.

[34:57] All right, looking for a second, trees.

[34:59] I was...

[35:00] Second, that. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right.

[35:14] Next item is the council will consider civil penalties violation of a liquor license regulations by

[35:20] Okay.

[35:22] Cleaver-licker, doing business as a Cleaver-licker,

[35:25] loaker-licker, loaker, loaker that, 51, 20, 56th Avenue north.

[35:29] We will start with our city clerk,

[35:35] Cricy's series to address the council on this issue.

[35:39] Thank you, Ms. Mayor.

[35:40] Good evening, here in council.

[35:42] Actually, the next five agenda items are related to

[35:45] liquor license violations.

[35:47] These businesses did not pass the alcohol compliance

[35:50] checks that were conducted by the police department in the fall of 2023. The first of

[35:55] which is clever liquor, located at 51-2856th Avenue North. The employee of the business

[36:03] has pleaded guilty in court to the offense. Notice of the violation and tonight's meeting

[36:08] was sent to the licensee on April 26. This is considered a second violation for this

[36:20] Mr. Sanchez, the owner of the business, is here tonight to address the council.

[36:28] Yes.

[36:29] To address the council.

[36:31] Consistent with the civil penalties scheduled adopted by the Council, staff recommends

[36:35] a $1,500 fine and three-day license suspension.

[36:40] All right.

[36:41] Are there any questions from the council for Chrissy on this item?

[36:50] Seeing none.

[36:51] What was the first violation?

[36:53] You last year.

[36:56] Councilmember Kaiser, the violation date was December 8th of 2021.

[37:05] Thank you, Theresa.

[37:07] On the first violation, do you know was it full penalties that they were charged or what were they cited by the city?

[37:17] Councilmember Camus, my record show that it was a $750 fine in no license suspension.

[37:25] Thank you.

[37:28] All right,

[37:32] all right now messed up forward the podium. Please give us your name, and

[37:39] Hello, my name is clever. I don't know. I just want to make the comments, you know, I work with this story. Okay, hold on a second

[37:47] Just real quickly you have you have the opportunity to have a hearing or wondering if you're going to wave that in the

[37:54] The decision here or

[37:57] No, I mean, we're guilty, so I'm not done last.

[37:59] OK, so no here.

[38:01] All right.

[38:02] Go ahead, you have comments.

[38:03] No, they only come.

[38:04] It was my son who was calling for like two hours a day.

[38:08] But he did take the class for the check-in IDs

[38:11] with the serial crystal.

[38:13] I don't know what he was a little busy that day.

[38:16] And I'm making excuses.

[38:18] But it's copying what happened.

[38:23] That was, did you say your son?

[38:25] The other my son, my son works with me.

[38:27] OK.

[38:31] Who did the first liquor violation?

[38:34] It was an employee that, a lot of time ago, was a no word without the more.

[38:46] Any questions?

[38:57] So, could you change your practices?

[39:01] This doesn't happen again.

[39:03] How are you addressing that?

[39:04] We did take the classes and everything.

[39:07] I wanted to say that I want to make an excuse.

[39:09] I think it was a pressure that he was working by himself.

[39:11] And then the moment there was a little busy.

[39:14] And I think that's what it was.

[39:16] He paid a fine to work with the court and everything.

[39:21] It's just not as used, but it was very much the pressure

[39:24] of the busy time it was in the moment.

[39:27] Even we talk with the police officer and everything.

[39:29] And they were there, you know, when the happened.

[39:32] And they said, yeah, it wasn't a little busy.

[39:34] I think it was a comment or something

[39:37] in the, with the police officer, it was a little busy.

[39:40] But that's the only excuse.

[39:42] So have other members of you staff taken the class, too?

[39:46] No, nobody.

[39:47] I mean, I said that before, too.

[39:50] I bought them for like 10 years.

[39:52] So I did take some classes with my previous jobs.

[39:56] I used to work with.

[39:57] So I know how to handle that stuff.

[39:58] OK.

[39:59] I was just myself.

[40:00] She is 19, 19 years old, he helped me out. I think it was a pressure.

[40:07] You have any technology that's helping

[40:10] your cashiers? It is, we'll look forward, but I work over there myself and I feel really confident

[40:16] and I won't do that and it's kind of very spending and it's kind of hard to be in the business right now with all

[40:24] of competitions around, you know, and I work myself

[40:27] to be able to keep it open for business.

[40:30] You understand?

[40:35] All right.

[40:36] I have a question.

[40:38] Yeah, go ahead.

[40:38] This says here in the report that your son looked at the ID

[40:43] and then proceeded to go ahead with the sale.

[40:48] So my understanding is that there's

[40:50] a difference in the ID between someone who's under age,

[40:53] and someone who's of age, that's correct.

[40:55] That's correct.

[40:57] And so, how long has your son been working in your store?

[41:01] He was in, by the way, like, year-to-half since then, year-and-a-half, and he, and you said

[41:06] that you took the training through the city here, was he part of that training?

[41:12] Yes.

[41:12] It was previous to the habit.

[41:15] The training was previous to when he started working in the store.

[41:20] Okay.

[41:20] So he was not, he didn't go through the city's training at that, when you went through the training.

[41:27] Is that correct?

[41:28] No, no, he didn't, he did before to happen, it was like three months ago to happen, he did that, yeah.

[41:35] And so I mean, do you have anything in the store to help your employees determine?

[41:42] Yes, yes, we have the date in that, like a clock,

[41:46] from date and wouldn't use multiple cell and told that date.

[41:50] What about the actual how the ID looks itself?

[41:52] Because it's different.

[41:53] How long we did to write the counter?

[41:56] It's write the counter, like I said.

[41:58] I don't know how much time I can.

[41:59] Because you can see how close this is.

[42:02] I mean, you should have seen that this person was underage.

[42:08] But he went ahead with the purchase anyway.

[42:10] So pretty much he's bypassing.

[42:13] I mean, the ID part is just more or less the data I try to understand that you're trying

[42:22] to help them with these visual things, too, but the state has made the IDs so that it's

[42:28] obvious that this person is not eligible to be purchasing alcohol in this in your establishment.

[42:34] So, you're some asking for ID and just basically going ahead with the sale is bypassing a very important

[42:41] step in this process and we're asking you to help us with this. That's what's

[42:45] fully of you. Don't you comment whether there's a lot of people with the

[42:49] ID, vertical? I think they are really 21 with the dates, you know, because they

[42:55] have to go to the DMB to get a different ID. They should be getting a new ID. Yes,

[43:01] they should be, you should. Yeah, you should be turning that business

[43:03] It's a waste or, you know, that would help you.

[43:07] You know, you would benefit from that, so.

[43:11] All right.

[43:12] Any other questions?

[43:14] All right.

[43:15] Thank you for your comments.

[43:17] Thank you.

[43:23] All right.

[43:25] So you have any further questions, council.

[43:28] I'm staff on this side of.

[43:32] Seeing none.

[43:33] I would entertain a motion or discussion.

[43:37] Or you want to motion first, then discussion?

[43:40] Either way.

[43:40] Anybody have any discussion?

[43:43] I feel like we should discuss first because I feel like

[43:45] it's been in flux about how we want to do this.

[43:48] I can also start.

[43:50] I feel like just handing down exactly what's written.

[43:56] And I think we should incentivize people to come to the meetings.

[44:01] And when we do that, we can knock down a fine or the days in that way.

[44:06] Unless there's other circumstances where it's really a religious or

[44:09] I don't feel like they sufficiently answered her questions, but that's just where I come from.

[44:12] I think knocking a little bit down when people come and talk and we feel satisfied with

[44:15] what they talk about.

[44:17] So that's just where I come from this and I know we have a different viewpoint, so they

[44:20] should need to see where people are at with that.

[44:25] So what's your proposal?

[44:27] So, when you said, Mac, it's a big amount, or, you know, I would say, that was an

[44:35] dollar fine, and I guess we don't have a specific number of days, but it would be, you

[44:41] say it's three days, if you say two or something like that.

[44:46] So I'll make some comments.

[44:49] Generally when it comes to a third violation,

[44:52] whether they show up or not, I go maximum.

[44:55] We had been doing that since there haven't been a lot of cases,

[44:58] but I've been doing that since.

[45:00] So 12 years.

[45:05] Usually, I err on the side of, I don't want to close down a business. And I usually, if there's any grace, I give the grace in the area of closure.

[45:17] However, some people would just assume take the closure as opposed to the fine, each person may have a different preference in terms of the business.

[45:31] Because the closures can be managed through our city clerk and there are some better times

[45:40] to be closed than not closed.

[45:44] So is it consecutive days or is it just three days?

[45:48] Three days consecutively?

[45:51] So it can.

[45:51] Is that correct?

[45:54] If I may, Council Member Camish. Historically, it has been three consecutive days, but on occasion,

[46:00] it has been three one day, for three weeks, or a different arrangement depending on the

[46:08] latency.

[46:12] Okay, thanks for your clarification.

[46:16] Any other comments? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I think for me,

[46:22] I will personally be more lenient on first violations, and I'm sure you'll see that as we have

[46:28] more of these to discuss anything more than that, I take more issue with and so and so when it comes to

[46:38] the fine and suspension, I will probably always be in support of the full fine amount but then would be open to

[46:48] discussing the number of days for licensed suspension. Because I do not necessarily want to impact

[46:55] the patrons who want to go to this business, you know, go about their day and whatever.

[47:02] The fine is like a direct impact to the owner, and that's what we're trying to help

[47:09] course correct here by administering this. So I will probably be more lenient on the number

[47:15] of days similar to your point may or of not wanting to impact the business and the patrons

[47:23] in that regard.

[47:24] So that's just like how I think about this.

[47:26] My proposal would maybe, again, as I said, probably the full fine amount, and then potentially

[47:30] taking one day off of the three-day suspension, but again, I do take issue with anything

[47:36] more than one second or third violation, because if we're not figuring it out the first

[47:43] time, it seems like there's some more fundamental issues, so that's why I'm at right now.

[47:48] All

[47:52] right, any other who's want to be shared?

[47:55] John, well I think with the first violations we have been very lenient in terms of both

[48:01] fine and also with the suspension and we have people come back, you know, they come back

[48:10] with a second violation and then we, you know, because we're lenient the first thing around

[48:14] or even, we're leaning it with the second violation as well.

[48:19] So personally myself, I mean, in the past decade,

[48:25] we seem to have this whole thing where we kind of like,

[48:28] oh, it's okay, you know, the business, you know,

[48:31] they're sorry they made a mistake, you know,

[48:35] well, we'll just go easy on now.

[48:37] But the issue here is that there are sales

[48:40] to underage individuals in our city, and the way you change that culture is by sticking to

[48:50] the penalty, and getting the business owners who are in partnership with this process

[49:00] with us to make sure that they card and prevent underage purchases within their stores, and

[49:10] And again, as we move into the use of TAC products,

[49:18] I mean, this is something that we need to be

[49:21] a little more stringent on.

[49:24] And it's kind of a start here.

[49:25] It starts with us.

[49:26] We're responsible.

[49:27] We're responsible for holding up our ordinances

[49:31] and making sure that we, if we're going to have

[49:35] liquor sales and tobacco sales and TAC sales

[49:38] in our community that the orders of those industries are following our guidelines to a T,

[49:45] and they should not be here. Because they're showing up means to me it shows me that it's okay

[49:55] that someone gets a pack of cigarettes, even though they're not old enough to have a pack.

[50:00] It's okay if they bought a one shot fireball product. It's okay.

[50:09] What we don't really look at is the long-term effects of the youth in our society, getting addicted, and that's what we're asking them to help us with in this process.

[50:22] And for me, it's frustrating when I have individuals

[50:26] kind of like go and start, you know,

[50:29] you kind of want to feel sorry for the business owners.

[50:33] When really truly, I mean, what we need to feel sorry for

[50:37] is the youth in our society who are finding easy ways

[50:43] to get access.

[50:44] Because once they find out that a business owner

[50:46] is selling to underage people, they flop there,

[50:50] like there's no tomorrow, you know?

[50:51] And so I want them to follow the liquor guidelines to a T.

[50:59] We shouldn't have to worry about compliance checks.

[51:02] The compliance checks should come back clean every time.

[51:04] We're telling them we're coming.

[51:06] We're telling them we're going to do compliance checks.

[51:08] And they still fail.

[51:09] And that's the part that frustrates me to, you know, to no ends.

[51:15] And so I will always, always pick the, you know,

[51:19] You know, the full penalty and the full suspension in every case, and I know people don't see where I'm coming from or or or you know, or can understand how I feel about these things.

[51:31] I mean, I'm sure I have a teenager, right, and I, and but when I think about it is like, I don't have the opportunity to know what's going on every day in their life, and I don't know if they have access to various areas.

[51:46] But, you know, I mean, you know, help me, help me be, you know, you know, be a better parent and, you know, I expect these individuals too to also say like, look, you know, we're not going to take on this kind of risk and, and they're going to, they need to change the culture in their business is what I'm asking them to do and that's what I'm asking them to do tonight and I expect you also to support me on that too as well. Thank you.

[52:16] Yeah, good, Tracy.

[52:18] I definitely understand where John's coming from, and I mean with the size of our city, as small as it is, we have a really large number of liquor stores.

[52:28] And our violation, our penalties are less than neighboring communities, is my understanding.

[52:38] So, we're picking up the ones that, that, you know, compliance checks, we're seeing the ones

[52:43] that compliance checks caught, but how many are we not seeing between compliance checks?

[52:49] So, with the number of liquor stores we have, selling liquor, and to me, I'm just concerned

[52:57] about the ones that we're not picking up.

[52:59] And if we, like, John said, if we set a standard and say, no, this is it, this is not

[53:05] accepted, I feel like they're going to be more careful about what they're doing, make sure

[53:13] that they've got, you know, you're looking, the state of Minnesota, like we said they, you

[53:18] know, you're your driver's license is vertical and it says not 21 in big red letters. There's

[53:22] no reason that a violation should occur. Even if you don't have the fancy technology, when you're

[53:30] looking at a driver's license, there's so many fail saves to say, this is not a person

[53:37] that's legal. I'm with John. I think maximum penalty.

[53:46] So just a comment on our process is we have discretion, you know, we can make these adjustments.

[53:55] I think we all know that, that's obvious.

[54:00] And keep in mind, this is a civil action,

[54:05] and there's already been another action done.

[54:08] So we're not the only people doing the action.

[54:13] So there's a sense of kind of a double whammy

[54:17] when these violations come.

[54:20] And by design, you know, one hits individual,

[54:24] one hits the business and there are some cases where I have done the maximum, I voted for

[54:39] the maximum because there were more circumstances, there wasn't space for grace in my mind.

[54:49] in that discretion, I think I think we need to use that, treating somebody who has a very bad attitude and will will.

[55:00] Add mouth, the city of Crystal, or the council themselves. And I'm giving them the same treatment as people who have come at our crucial concern and don't hide from what happened.

[55:13] That that doesn't feel good to me. So I will be going for something a little bit different than the maps.

[55:23] What would if Grace was already given the first time?

[55:26] less grace the second, no grace the third, that's kind of my, that's my

[55:31] ticking order.

[55:36] And obviously it's going to be just like any other time we do this, we might

[55:42] sure go through more than one.

[55:43] Yeah, we do.

[55:46] Any other comments?

[55:49] Mr. Mayor?

[55:50] Yes, sir.

[55:50] And I just make a quick comment.

[55:52] You're, uh, council member asks about the schedule that the council, that the city has on this.

[55:57] Just a quick refresher. Some of you weren't on the Council back then in 2018 when those were set.

[56:03] But the Council did do a comparative review in the mayor. You looked at several different cities,

[56:11] what their penalties were, and then the schedule that the Council came up with was,

[56:16] I can't say higher low, but it was after consideration.

[56:19] This is going to be right on the word,

[56:21] considering the other cities.

[56:24] Yeah, yeah.

[56:28] All right.

[56:28] Who wants to do a resolution?

[56:29] Anybody?

[56:33] Go ahead, John.

[56:35] To make a motion that based on the staff report,

[56:38] including the findings contained therein,

[56:40] and the other information presented regarding this matter,

[56:43] that a penalty of $1,500 in a three-day license suspension

[56:46] be imposed in this case.

[56:48] I'm looking for a second.

[56:50] Got a second.

[56:51] Tracy?

[56:52] I'll second that.

[56:53] All right.

[56:53] Oh, members in favor, please say aye.

[56:55] Aye.

[56:55] All right.

[56:56] Polls say nay.

[56:58] Oh, call, vote, please.

[57:00] Mayra Adams.

[57:01] Nay.

[57:02] Council member Booshowski.

[57:05] Council member Cummings.

[57:07] Council member Camish.

[57:10] Council member Kaiser.

[57:14] Council member Vanessa Rosen.

[57:17] Motion tie as motion fails.

[57:19] All right.

[57:24] Go ahead.

[57:25] I would make a motion that the fine is $1,500, but a two-day suspension.

[57:32] All right, looking for a second on that.

[57:34] David, I'll second that.

[57:35] Thank you.

[57:37] Home members in favor, please see I.

[57:40] I'm supposed to say nay.

[57:42] Roll call vote.

[57:44] Council member Budashovski.

[57:45] Nay.

[57:46] Council member Cummings.

[57:48] Aye.

[57:49] Council member Camish.

[57:52] Council member Kaiser.

[57:55] Council member, Vanessa Rosen.

[57:58] Mayer Adams.

[57:59] Aye.

[58:00] Motion time, motion fails.

[58:07] Didn't you want to have a queen?

[58:09] It's not going to go for something.

[58:11] We, we, is there a motion down there?

[58:14] No, I don't have a motion just to comment.

[58:15] You go ahead and make your comment.

[58:17] Uh, just so folks know where I'm at.

[58:21] And as I said in my initial comments, the second violation piece is what really gets me.

[58:26] I will probably, as I've said, be more lenient on the first violation.

[58:30] But that's why I am supportive of a full kind of suspension and fine.

[58:36] Because if you have to come back within two years for this stuff, that's an issue.

[58:43] So we've had two failed motions.

[58:45] One is the max, one is just below the max.

[58:48] The direction we're going is down.

[58:56] Those are the ones we haven't voted on.

[59:01] It's split counsel.

[59:03] What has it gone down?

[59:08] The next motion is going to be less than what the prior two were, unless we duplicate the motion again.

[59:17] So the direction is more lenient.

[59:20] I don't know if you realize that.

[59:22] I'll make a motion for fine one day suspension looking for a second.

[59:31] I'll think of that.

[59:31] Thank you.

[59:33] Oh, members in favor, please see. I, I, post a name.

[59:40] Council member Cummings.

[59:42] Aye.

[59:43] Council member Camish.

[59:46] Council member Kaiser.

[59:47] Aye.

[59:48] Council member Vanessa Rofson.

[59:50] Aye.

[59:51] Mayor Adams.

[59:53] Aye.

[59:54] Council member Buduschevskiy.

[59:57] Motion fails five to.

[59:59] Two.

[1:00:00] Our fourth board, excuse me.

[1:00:05] Is there another motion?

[1:00:14] I'll make a motion.

[1:00:17] I'll make a motion that based on the staff report, including the findings contained there and the

[1:00:21] other information presented regarding the matter. It'll appeal to the $1450, and suspension

[1:00:28] licensed for a period of three days.

[1:00:31] Be imposed in this case.

[1:00:36] Looking for a second.

[1:00:37] I second the motion.

[1:00:40] All members in favor, please say aye.

[1:00:42] I. I. Paul Sinane. Naye.

[1:00:47] Consumobr Camish. I.

[1:00:49] Consumobr Kaiser. I.

[1:00:52] Consumobr Vanessa Rosen. Naye.

[1:00:54] Mayor Adams. Naye.

[1:00:56] Consumobr Bootschefsky. I.

[1:00:59] Consumobr Cummings. Naye.

[1:01:01] Moshing Thai. Moshing Pio.

[1:01:08] We're going to have to reschedule this year.

[1:01:11] If we can't get to a vote.

[1:01:14] Well, yeah.

[1:01:17] Are you just mags?

[1:01:20] I mean, I'm not trying to play on a $50 share.

[1:01:23] I mean, it's more of the principle of the thing.

[1:01:29] And yeah, so I'm, I'm, I'm maximum.

[1:01:37] I feel strongly that I don't want to leave this, I'm done tonight.

[1:01:48] And you're at two days, is that you're?

[1:01:51] How about to find make a motion?

[1:01:54] Can I make a motion that was already made?

[1:01:57] I'll make a motion the fine of $1,500 in a three-day suspension.

[1:02:04] All right.

[1:02:05] Got a second.

[1:02:06] I'll set it up.

[1:02:07] All right.

[1:02:08] All members in favor, please say aye.

[1:02:11] Aye.

[1:02:11] All right.

[1:02:12] All right.

[1:02:14] Council member Camish.

[1:02:17] Council member Kaiser.

[1:02:18] Aye.

[1:02:19] Council member Vanessa Rosen.

[1:02:21] Aye.

[1:02:21] Mayer Adams.

[1:02:23] Nate.

[1:02:24] Council member Budsetsky.

[1:02:26] Council member Cummings.

[1:02:28] Motion.

[1:02:28] Motion carries.

[1:02:29] Order two.

[1:02:35] All right.

[1:02:36] Next time on the agenda.

[1:02:39] Our.

[1:02:39] Say clerk will address the council on.

[1:02:44] It's a family cafe right.

[1:02:47] Into.

[1:02:48] Yes.

[1:02:51] All right.

[1:02:51] Go ahead.

[1:02:52] Missy.

[1:02:52] Thank you.

[1:02:54] The next business that did not pass the compliance check was Family Cafe and Diner located at 6236-56th Avenue North.

[1:03:03] The employee of the business has pleaded guilty and court to the offense.

[1:03:06] Notice the violation of tonight's meeting was sent to the licensee on April 26th.

[1:03:12] This is the first violation for this licensee.

[1:03:15] Staff recommends a $750 fine and when they license suspension and I do believe the license

[1:03:21] He is in the audience tonight. All right. Thank you, Chrissy. Any questions for Chrissy on this one?

[1:03:28] Seeing none

[1:03:30] with the license fee. He's stuck forward.

[1:03:45] All right. All right. All right, I'm going to say your name. Thank you. See you guys.

[1:03:51] Well

[1:03:51] So, that day happening is the lady come and ask him from a fellow and I say, okay,

[1:04:00] you can go see the table and it's going to see the table, but I'm busy serving food.

[1:04:06] When I come back, I say, okay, what is your idea and it's show me the idea and I think

[1:04:14] it's not 21.

[1:04:15] So, I give you the idea back and I go to the kitchen and I got my calendar in the back.

[1:04:21] So when I see the clandari, the officer is coming, so I got that to sorry, but you're not

[1:04:27] 21, when the officer is say, why you could be up here? I say, I don't give you any beer.

[1:04:31] It's only aggloss the water. No, you could be up here. No, I never could be up here.

[1:04:39] Well, you can be the ticket. Why? I don't give you a beer. I don't care. You can be a ticket.

[1:04:47] And they give you the ticket because more and more is like more angry or something they're like, okay

[1:04:56] Did you want a formal hearing or did you just want to have a

[1:05:00] A conversation with the council here. Do you want a formal hearing? Or did you just want to have a conversation?

[1:05:17] It's a matter of guilt or not. So if you're not, if you don't think that you're guilty, you may want to have a hearing, you may not. I don't know. It's up to your preference.

[1:05:30] Will you ask him the question again and my daughter help me?

[1:05:34] The question is, do you want to have a formal hearing

[1:05:36] where we give testimony and it would be just more formal

[1:05:41] of what we just went through?

[1:05:43] Or do you want to just go through and have a conversation?

[1:06:18] All right,

[1:06:21] so

[1:06:31] you've requested a formal hearing, so at this time, I will open the public

[1:06:35] you're welcome to provide testimony as well as any documents regarding the incident that you'd like to offer.

[1:06:42] So you did start a dialogue with us. You can repeat the dialogue and we'll go from there.

[1:06:55] I don't know what that.

[1:06:58] I don't know what that.

[1:06:58] I don't know the telephone.

[1:06:59] You did not bring the papers, eh?

[1:07:03] Okay.

[1:07:07] Would you paper are you referring to?

[1:07:11] I don't know.

[1:07:14] Are you referring to the notice?

[1:07:16] So you're referring to the police reports?

[1:07:19] No, no, no, that paper will be sent to me.

[1:07:23] We have a copy of that.

[1:07:29] So you gave testimony that you never served a person.

[1:07:35] Yeah, you did you serve them water and that was it. Yeah, there's a lot of water and the menu because not like normal the customer

[1:07:47] And it's like I do I mean I check the idea, but the idea is like 20 days

[1:07:57] So I go check my culinary because sometimes it's confused and yeah, this lady who I say, well, when they come back, the officer said, ready with the lady, okay?

[1:08:12] Okay.

[1:08:12] Did you have anything else you wanted to add to that testimony?

[1:08:17] No.

[1:08:18] Okay.

[1:08:19] Does the council have any questions for him?

[1:08:21] Go ahead, Tracy.

[1:08:21] Did you take her cash for the purchase of the beer?

[1:08:27] Yeah.

[1:08:27] So you took her cash?

[1:08:28] Yeah, take cash when I send the back of the officers there already.

[1:08:35] But I don't take the ticket.

[1:08:38] So the other officers, you need any of the ticket.

[1:08:40] I need the ticket. I don't deserve anything.

[1:08:45] And did you have a receipt as well for the purchase of the beer?

[1:08:49] The lady, yeah, I don't have it.

[1:08:51] But you gave her one. Yeah, because this told me like five times. I need the ticket

[1:08:58] Did you give her back all of her cash or just change?

[1:09:02] She said they don't want it. Um

[1:09:04] Well, there

[1:09:06] Many more that beer is like seven something and it's give me only five dollars

[1:09:09] She gave you five. Yeah, and I tried to cash back but they don't want so no that give me the ticket

[1:09:15] but you're not 21, what do you think I still be for you?

[1:09:23] But the officer is like, I don't know, it's kind of like,

[1:09:25] I agree because I don't give you the right way.

[1:09:30] I take minimal, like, ten minutes or more.

[1:09:34] John, so your, your, your family diner can't pay.

[1:09:40] So, is your business model where, like, they pre-pay for everything

[1:09:44] before they receive it?

[1:09:46] So, they come up to a counter or is it, you do action?

[1:09:49] You know, this is great when it's done, but this lady is too much and she's like,

[1:09:55] Q the money, Q the money, Q the money, and I'm sorry I'm busy right now, and I think...

[1:10:07] Okay, but I'm just wondering, you know, your business model is, I mean, like for instance, we're talking about liquor stores, or obviously you bring the beer up to the counter and, you know, in your checked out of the counter, your business model is that you, everybody pays for their food in beverage before it's served to them? Is that your business model?

[1:10:37] We see them first and then they eat and they drink all of them, like everything in order and then they pay.

[1:10:44] Okay, so they pay after that.

[1:10:45] All right, so this individual came into your, your restaurant, right, ordered a beer, right?

[1:10:53] in U.S. for ID, and then I'm trying to understand the whole cash transaction part, but

[1:11:02] anyways, you went back and checked the ID, but you didn't pour the beer or actually take

[1:11:09] the cap off the beer or open the can of beer, you didn't do any of that.

[1:11:13] No, no, no, no, I don't think anything, and I don't want to look for the beer. I don't

[1:11:20] It's only a ring that allows the water, and that's it.

[1:11:25] And what am I missing here?

[1:11:26] I mean, I don't know.

[1:11:27] We can we can have some further questions with staff.

[1:11:29] Okay.

[1:11:30] And with with our police representative.

[1:11:32] All right.

[1:11:33] That's probably going to have.

[1:11:35] Any other questions for them?

[1:11:37] All right.

[1:11:39] Our chief reverberation is here as the police representative.

[1:11:41] Thank you.

[1:11:42] If none of you have been the FNM Kathy,

[1:11:44] I highly recommend it to the FNM Food.

[1:11:46] But in any event.

[1:11:48] Sir, were you charged?

[1:11:49] and convicted of the gross misdemeanor sale to a minor?

[1:12:07] I'll see.

[1:12:09] I'm not going to be able to see.

[1:12:12] Yeah, they've got your own path.

[1:12:14] He has said that to a minor.

[1:12:15] Yep, and he got probation and all that.

[1:12:18] So he didn't have to pay a fine or anything like that.

[1:12:20] I will tell you, I do think this is a potential language barrier issue.

[1:12:29] What we did was correct.

[1:12:31] I do think that he is correct in saying that he did not put a beer in front of her.

[1:12:38] However, he did take the cash for the beer that was ordered along with the receipt.

[1:12:44] But a beer was never actually given to our decoy physically given to her.

[1:12:50] If that makes sense.

[1:12:54] Okay.

[1:12:55] Can I ask?

[1:12:56] Yeah, go ahead please.

[1:12:56] So I'm not understanding the cash thing.

[1:12:59] So beer was $7.

[1:13:01] I have no idea.

[1:13:01] Oh, you don't know that.

[1:13:03] I don't, yeah.

[1:13:04] I had to have no idea.

[1:13:05] I'm just trying to...

[1:13:06] I just know that she did give him cash.

[1:13:09] To her, like the difference.

[1:13:11] Did he give her the difference?

[1:13:13] I have no idea.

[1:13:14] Does anybody...

[1:13:15] Does it say in the report?

[1:13:16] I'm sorry.

[1:13:17] I don't have it.

[1:13:17] It doesn't appear with it.

[1:13:19] All right.

[1:13:19] I don't know.

[1:13:20] We don't know.

[1:13:23] As we do, these are processed to, in like a sit-down restaurant, to order the thing and give cash right away.

[1:13:31] like, is that part of how we,

[1:13:33] because that feels different than how I would

[1:13:37] questionally die in that arrest run.

[1:13:39] And so there's, that's maybe a confusing thing

[1:13:41] of like, why are you giving me money right now,

[1:13:43] especially if there's a language thing.

[1:13:44] So I'm curious, is that how we execute these?

[1:13:47] Yeah, no, I think this was interesting.

[1:13:50] I have a feeling this may have been the first one

[1:13:52] of the evening that they were doing.

[1:13:54] And the decoy, maybe this was her first one.

[1:13:57] And normally,

[1:14:00] the beer or liquor is served, right?

[1:14:05] Now, with that said, right, there was a cash transaction,

[1:14:10] but there was no actual beer given to her.

[1:14:15] Okay, so the transaction wasn't finished.

[1:14:19] Correct.

[1:14:24] All right, any other questions?

[1:14:28] No, thank you.

[1:14:31] Yeah, go ahead.

[1:14:31] How's she?

[1:14:34] What do you have in place or what are your processes to ensure that underage folks do not get served alcohol?

[1:15:02] How many days has it been, how many days has been, how many years has been, and then

[1:15:36] He basically sees like how old she is and then or how many days she's left from 21 or how many years.

[1:15:43] So he doesn't make a mistake.

[1:15:47] The other thing is I have a customer's leaving because they don't have ID.

[1:15:53] I say, sorry, I can say I'll call because you don't have ID and it's leaving.

[1:15:58] I said, okay, I can help you out there, sorry.

[1:16:02] You want to come back eating, that's it, it's fine.

[1:16:06] So do you look at everyone's ID who orders alcohol?

[1:16:09] Yeah,

[1:16:12] yeah, one guy is mostly like, I don't know, maybe he's 60.

[1:16:17] Can I switch on me to ID?

[1:16:19] Do you think you're actually ID?

[1:16:21] I said, well, I don't want any problem.

[1:16:25] You're quite tracing.

[1:16:26] How long have you been in business?

[1:16:28] three years and I'll call a, I think it's almost my year.

[1:16:36] Okay. Yeah. Go ahead, John.

[1:16:40] So the individual that showed you her ID, the ID is the one that is for an individual

[1:16:48] who's under age, right? And I think it's been pointed out here that it says right

[1:16:53] on there that they're not 21, right?

[1:16:57] And so you shouldn't have to worry about going back to your calendar

[1:17:02] and checking to see if they're old enough or not,

[1:17:04] you should just be saying, I'm sorry, I can't serve alcohol

[1:17:08] to you because you're under age, right?

[1:17:12] Does that make sense?

[1:17:13] Because the idea is different.

[1:17:16] So they still have to do the math that they don't have,

[1:17:18] if they didn't get issued, their new idea, they can use

[1:17:22] the underage ID to be served because it does have their their data birth and it is a legal

[1:17:27] ID in my correct no with papers with papers if they have the papers with them but not just

[1:17:36] the ID itself right because it's in bold big letters under 21 yeah yeah so I think if the new ones

[1:17:47] is different. The new ones is look different. They don't have 21. The new

[1:17:53] IDs. Because I look a lot of IDs. And they say, oh, you don't 21. Because

[1:17:58] you're not looking, they say, you have 21.

[1:18:03] Okay. Yeah. We're not going to get into the weeds, the weeds on the

[1:18:10] All right, any other questions for either?

[1:18:16] Well, I just have like a comment about,

[1:18:18] I don't know, but that's the time.

[1:18:19] Comment about like using IDs or a system for like checking IDs.

[1:18:25] Is it a comment you want to make to them?

[1:18:27] Yeah, yeah, feel free.

[1:18:28] Well, I would just say it sounds like using the calendar is maybe not the best system.

[1:18:33] I think there's more efficient systems that you could use like a person

[1:18:37] mention they have like a thing that says the date all the time like the when person's

[1:18:41] 21 or other businesses they have like a machine where they scan the ID and then that

[1:18:47] tells them they're too. So I would encourage you to have some kind of system maybe different

[1:18:52] than the calendar. So like when you're getting busy that going to the calendar is going to take

[1:18:55] you a lot of time out of from other things and I think you're more likely to make a mistake and

[1:19:00] have future violations. So that's just my thought on your process for checking IDs.

[1:19:04] Okay. Thank you. All right.

[1:19:08] What really quick? Do you mind telling me what your daily alcohol sales are?

[1:19:14] I don't know. Can I be in contact with you?

[1:19:17] For eight, ten dollars, twenty-one dollars.

[1:19:23] Like one or two beers, so it's none.

[1:19:26] Virtually none.

[1:19:27] Yeah. Sometimes none.

[1:19:30] Yeah. Great.

[1:19:30] The thing is because a family cafe mostly the customers come in like for breakfast

[1:19:37] Great coffee, so the coffee is short of yeah for fresh water and coffee, so let more of that. Yeah, yeah

[1:19:45] Very good. Thank you. Yeah, all right. Thank you. You may have a seat. Thank you. All right comments from the council

[1:19:53] As you know, yeah

[1:19:55] Well, I guess especially the hearing is closed

[1:20:00] We're going into deliberations. Go ahead, tachy.

[1:20:03] I was wrong, told you, that's the start. You don't have to. No, I will. I always have something to say.

[1:20:09] This one's tough.

[1:20:12] They obviously did not serve alcohol to a minor, so I'm struggling with that reality.

[1:20:20] If anything, so where I'm at, as I've said, I will always be in favor of the fine, I will have more leniency on this suspension.

[1:20:31] I am not in favor of a suspension right now, personally, I am open to a fine, I'm also open to no fine,

[1:20:39] because of how kind of gray this situation seems and how no alcohol is actually served to a minor.

[1:20:47] Just want to comment on if you're looking at no fine, you're basically putting that burden on our taxpayers.

[1:20:57] Because this is something that our police force is conducting throughout the city.

[1:21:02] And there's obviously costs in preparation.

[1:21:05] There's a process that's involved with this.

[1:21:07] And so to say that there's no fine in this situation.

[1:21:11] Basically there is a cost to this process.

[1:21:14] And I understand that, I asked the question about sales, but even then there is a person

[1:21:30] on here and you should realize that we've been through this before and we've had some

[1:21:38] particularly low fines in cases for establishments that are much more established than

[1:21:44] this businesses, and invariably that cost is transferred on to the taxpayers themselves,

[1:21:52] and so I would be very opposed to any type of low or no-finder at all.

[1:21:58] So, all right, no surprise.

[1:22:04] Anybody else want to make comments or show you?

[1:22:07] Go ahead.

[1:22:08] I would definitely be in favor of a full violation,

[1:22:13] but with our police chiefs saying that it might have been

[1:22:18] a combination of a language barrier

[1:22:20] and the decoys first assignment,

[1:22:25] it kind of makes me feel,

[1:22:27] Honestly, I would rather in this case only for go a fine and do like a three-day suspension

[1:22:33] It's one day. Oh, well, right, but I mean, can we not increase that if we're offsetting it can only be one

[1:22:40] It's a max. Oh, it is a max. Okay, then I guess

[1:22:43] One day is the max and some 50 is the max and just to verify he was not fine on the civil side. It was just was

[1:22:53] The criminal side. Yes, he was

[1:22:56] Yeah, I'm going to guess he possibly may have been fine, but if it was his first time

[1:23:03] which it was, it usually are given like a probation of some type.

[1:23:25] Any other comments?

[1:23:26] Last chance, seeing none looking for a motion, I'll make a motion.

[1:23:34] I move that we find at $100 in no suspension, looking for a second on that.

[1:23:44] I'll second that.

[1:23:46] Thank you.

[1:23:47] All members in favor, please say aye.

[1:23:50] Poles say nay.

[1:23:53] Aye.

[1:23:54] You have to be roll call.

[1:23:55] Yes, roll call.

[1:23:57] Consum member Kaiser.

[1:23:59] Nay.

[1:24:00] Consum member Vanessa Rosen.

[1:24:03] Mayor Adams.

[1:24:05] Aye.

[1:24:05] Consum member Booshowski.

[1:24:07] Nay.

[1:24:08] Consum member Cummings.

[1:24:10] Consum member Camish.

[1:24:11] Nay.

[1:24:12] Motion failed, supported, too.

[1:24:14] All right, looking for another motion.

[1:24:17] Dad, James?

[1:24:19] I make a motion that based on the staff report,

[1:24:21] including the findings contained therein,

[1:24:22] and the other information presented regarding this matter,

[1:24:24] that a penalty of $750 be imposed in this case.

[1:24:32] All right, looking for a second.

[1:24:34] I'll second that motion.

[1:24:36] All right.

[1:24:36] All members in favor, please say aye.

[1:24:39] Opposed.

[1:24:41] Aye.

[1:24:42] Vocal.

[1:24:43] Coz number 1, Mr. Rosen.

[1:24:45] Aye.

[1:24:46] Mayor Adams.

[1:24:46] I

[1:24:47] Come to remember Buddha Shafski.

[1:24:49] Hey.

[1:24:50] Come to remember Cummings.

[1:24:51] Hi.

[1:24:53] Come to remember Camish.

[1:24:55] Nay.

[1:24:56] Come to remember Kaiser.

[1:24:58] Motion ties.

[1:24:59] Motion.

[1:25:04] We're getting better.

[1:25:15] Chief, you haven't come in. Mr. Mayor, and Council, I want to apologize for putting you in this position first of all.

[1:25:22] Council member Guisxeski is correct. It does cost us about, we give a decoy about $50 for their volunteer time to be our decoy, so they get 50 bucks.

[1:25:33] and then the staff time when an officer or two is usually depending on that either

[1:25:39] switch their schedules so as that straight time or it's potentially an overtime.

[1:25:44] I tell you that to say that I think reasonably, right, it's the $100 fine, you know, less

[1:25:55] than the 750 makes sense only because, and I'm not trying to tell you what to do.

[1:25:58] I just think that there was a misstep here with us.

[1:26:01] I think there's a misstep with the owner as well but I think more so on us and so I tell you that to say that

[1:26:10] Again, right if if they come before you a second time then that's a huge problem, right?

[1:26:15] But I do think that we that we as the police department did a misstep on this one

[1:26:23] and Council member Boosheski's looking at me

[1:26:25] Are you really like being serious?

[1:26:27] I am

[1:26:28] We missed out. So

[1:26:30] All right, thank you, Chief. Yep,

[1:26:39] so

[1:26:39] So just here we go, hold on, I didn't call you.

[1:26:44] How did you go ahead?

[1:26:45] My comments, I just struggle with the logic of, well, if you don't find them, then

[1:26:52] it's our taxpayers having to pay this.

[1:26:55] I mean, it cost us to do this at every establishment.

[1:27:01] And so it's like, as if we were to give a flat fee for like, we're going to charge everyone

[1:27:05] 100 bucks because we're going to, you know, do this, do this thing at your staff's

[1:27:09] friends side.

[1:27:10] I don't, I don't appreciate that logic.

[1:27:13] I understand there's a cost, but I'm not trying to just, I am not making the connection

[1:27:18] here of, okay, we're going to find these people to fund our practice of doing this.

[1:27:24] I mean, I want to, I think we should be focusing on what actually happened.

[1:27:29] There's obviously gray and stuff didn't go right.

[1:27:32] And so with all that said, I'm open to a lower fund.

[1:27:35] And if we were to vote for $100 again, I would probably support that for what it's worth.

[1:27:43] Well said, I agree with that logic.

[1:27:46] It escapes me as well.

[1:27:49] Three.

[1:27:49] I, because of the misstep and because there was no alcohol actually served,

[1:27:56] I would make a motion that there is a warning issue with no suspension and no fine.

[1:28:02] Looking for a second on that?

[1:28:04] I'll take a day of motion.

[1:28:06] All right.

[1:28:07] All members in favor, please say aye.

[1:28:09] Aye.

[1:28:10] All say nay.

[1:28:13] Mayor Adams.

[1:28:14] Aye.

[1:28:15] Council member Booshowski.

[1:28:16] Aye.

[1:28:17] Council member Cummings.

[1:28:19] Aye.

[1:28:20] Council member Camish.

[1:28:22] Council member Kaiser.

[1:28:24] Council member Vanessa Rosen.

[1:28:27] Motion.

[1:28:28] Motion tied motion fails.

[1:28:31] I would like to make a point.

[1:28:34] So in the case of this business, the gentleman told me

[1:28:36] that he might sell to alcoholic beverages per day.

[1:28:45] So the one day licensed suspension is not going to affect

[1:28:50] his business.

[1:28:52] So if anything, that should be included in whatever

[1:28:58] motion we put forward. $750 is our penalty and it's discretionary. It is discretionary, but the whole thing is.

[1:29:15] I know, but it is discretionary. But I think any type of penalty that's just cash only without a license suspension is, again,

[1:29:26] I think is we're getting ourselves onto this slippery slope, so okay, thank you for that.

[1:29:33] I make a motion make a penalty of $100.

[1:29:37] No license suspension.

[1:29:40] Cooking for a second.

[1:29:42] David?

[1:29:43] I'll second that.

[1:29:43] Thank you.

[1:29:44] All members in favor please say aye.

[1:29:46] Coz say nay.

[1:29:48] Aye.

[1:29:49] Rollins the member of boot.

[1:29:51] Excuse me.

[1:29:51] Council member of the Shavski.

[1:29:53] Aye.

[1:29:54] Council member Cummings.

[1:29:55] Aye.

[1:29:56] Come to NeverCamish, nay, come to NeverCamish.

[1:30:00] Member Kaiser, nay, council member Ernessa Rosen, aye, mayor Adams, motion, aye, motion, aye,

[1:30:07] motion, payles. Go ahead. Okay, I'd like to make a motion and I'm the only hang up that

[1:30:13] I have is that he, the license plate or the driver's license was and it said, under 21.

[1:30:22] So that's the hang up for me. So with that said, I'll make a motion for, it wasn't

[1:30:29] served. No, but money was taken and a receipt was printed. With that, I will make a

[1:30:40] motion of a fine of $250 and a suspension for one day.

[1:30:47] Looking for a second, dodging?

[1:30:48] I'll second that. All members in favor, please say aye. Aye. Post in aye. Aye.

[1:30:56] Council member

[1:30:57] Cummings. Aye. Council member Camish. Aye. Council member Kaiser. Aye. Council member

[1:31:04] Vanessa Rosen.

[1:31:05] Mayor Adams.

[1:31:06] Hey.

[1:31:07] Councilmember Budsetski.

[1:31:09] Motion.

[1:31:10] Or excuse me.

[1:31:11] Motion passes.

[1:31:11] Fortitude.

[1:31:13] OK.

[1:31:23] We have enough film in the camera.

[1:31:25] It was.

[1:31:37] All right.

[1:31:40] Next, the council will consider some policies for a violation of liquor license regulations

[1:31:45] by Milton's Cafe.

[1:31:47] Our city clerk, Prissy, will address the council.

[1:31:50] Thank you again.

[1:31:51] Milton's Cafe.

[1:31:52] at 35-45 Douglas Drive also did not pass the compliance check.

[1:31:57] The employee of the business is pleading guilty and court to the offense, notice on the

[1:32:00] violation, and tonight's meeting was sent to the licensee in April 26th.

[1:32:05] This is considered a first violation for this licensee staff is recommending a $750 fine

[1:32:11] in one day license suspension, and I do believe the business owners are in the audience

[1:32:16] tonight.

[1:32:16] Yes. Thank you. All right. Any questions for Prissy? Seeing none.

[1:32:24] Could though licensee step forward?

[1:32:30] Hello, please state your name.

[1:32:32] Francine Weber?

[1:32:35] Phil Weber.

[1:32:38] Hi.

[1:32:40] So same question is, are you interested in a formal hearing or,

[1:32:44] Would you like to weigh the hearing and just have a...

[1:32:48] We'll weigh it.

[1:32:48] All right.

[1:32:52] So questions from the council, for them, any questions?

[1:33:00] Did you want to make any statements?

[1:33:01] Yes.

[1:33:02] We're in our 12th year.

[1:33:04] I think we've done pretty good.

[1:33:06] I'm going to agreement that, I'm sure it's not been the only time

[1:33:10] that a minor has been served.

[1:33:12] You know, I think what are the odds, right?

[1:33:17] I take pride in being transparent,

[1:33:19] in being a real realistic and running my business for people who know me, and I take responsibility

[1:33:28] for what has happened in my space.

[1:33:32] These servers no longer with us.

[1:33:34] He actually was a seasonal job.

[1:33:37] I'm sure that he did not get the training that he needed when he was hired.

[1:33:42] We run short-stabbed, and some things just kind of get messed.

[1:33:47] We have adopted what I like to call the biorelease way of getting, you know, checking ID, no matter what your age is.

[1:33:58] You know, it's all I have to say, I'm sorry that it happened and it's our responsibility with our employees to make sure that they do what they need to do.

[1:34:07] You know, like I said, we've been open, I think we're in our 12th year.

[1:34:11] So, not too bad.

[1:34:14] I agree.

[1:34:16] Also, I just like to say to you, is that we also have another restaurant.

[1:34:22] And we do, because our church, the grand job to church, we offer help the hall of awareness,

[1:34:28] training to all our staff, and Milton's staff.

[1:34:32] Post COVID.

[1:34:33] We missed you here.

[1:34:35] Just one of those important things.

[1:34:37] It was a crazy time and everybody's life.

[1:34:40] Not if it's used at all.

[1:34:41] I mean, this is something.

[1:34:42] It's just real hard that I've been doing this for 50 years and millions is a stellar place in the community.

[1:35:00] Community oriented community minded are other restaurants of the way in St. Louis Park. So we would never knowingly set out to serve a minor.

[1:35:12] We would knowingly not for a dollar or serve somebody just to get the dollar. Not worth it to us. It's offensive to you and we take the license very seriously.

[1:35:22] So I just, and I'm speaking for most people in the industry, they take it very seriously.

[1:35:27] If they're hurt and they're so in their business, and it's, you know, it's our life.

[1:35:32] So, and I'm, and again, I'm not making them, I don't even know the situation of listening to the fine or anything.

[1:35:38] We did it, and it's, it's over and done, but we will be as diligent as we can, training all our staff to make sure they check all the IDs.

[1:35:49] I can't find trace.

[1:35:49] I was just wondering if you could explain, you said it's the birley's way, what is that?

[1:35:55] Everybody could say D no matter what your age is.

[1:35:58] Yeah, it doesn't matter, yeah.

[1:35:59] Who trains your employees when they're hired?

[1:36:02] What my daughter normally does.

[1:36:04] That's been in the business.

[1:36:06] Is that who trained this individual?

[1:36:08] I honestly couldn't say during that time period.

[1:36:10] It's just been in disarray since just with staff and the way people would be in broad on

[1:36:16] And I, in fact, I just hired four people last week, a bartender and, you know, some more mature people who've been in the business, we tend to hire people who haven't been in the business, so they don't come with the experience, and so, you know, I don't regret it, but, you know, hiring the onions, but, you know, they don't come with the experience, so.

[1:36:38] and the cursesales that build is probably about 18% of the business.

[1:36:42] So it's not a huge piece of the business.

[1:36:46] And I assume too, when you have the license,

[1:36:47] especially when we're talking beverage only in less than two.

[1:36:53] So yeah, it's not a big, it's not a huge piece of the business.

[1:36:55] It's an important one, but it's not a huge deal.

[1:37:00] All right, any other questions?

[1:37:03] All right.

[1:37:04] Thank you for your stuff.

[1:37:05] Yeah.

[1:37:06] Thank you.

[1:37:06] All right.

[1:37:15] Any further discussion?

[1:37:17] Any other questions from staff?

[1:37:20] see none

[1:37:23] looking for a motion I can make that motion make a motion that

[1:37:29] based on the staff report including the findings contained therein in the

[1:37:32] other information presented regarding this matter at a penalty of $750 in a

[1:37:37] one-day license suspension being posed in this case all right looking for a

[1:37:42] second Tracy I'll think I'm that all right my members in favor please say aye I

[1:37:48] Paul Sinney, Nihay, Roko.

[1:37:52] Council member Camish, I, Council member Kaiser, I,

[1:37:56] Council member Vanessa Rosen.

[1:37:58] Nihay.

[1:37:59] Mayor Adams.

[1:38:00] Nihay.

[1:38:01] Council member Booshowski.

[1:38:02] I.

[1:38:03] Council member Cummings.

[1:38:06] Nihay.

[1:38:06] Motion ties, motion peace.

[1:38:14] All right.

[1:38:14] I make a motion to have a penalty of $750 or $750.

[1:38:23] hours, no suspension, looking for a second.

[1:38:28] Taji?

[1:38:29] No second thought.

[1:38:30] Thank you.

[1:38:30] All members of the paper please say aye.

[1:38:33] Aye.

[1:38:33] Paul say nay.

[1:38:35] Go call.

[1:38:36] Council member Camish.

[1:38:38] Council member Kaiser.

[1:38:40] Council member Vanessa Rosen.

[1:38:41] Aye.

[1:38:42] Mayor Adams.

[1:38:44] Council member Budeschevski.

[1:38:45] Aye.

[1:38:46] Council member Cummings.

[1:38:47] Motion pass.

[1:38:50] All right.

[1:38:51] That's final.

[1:38:56] So just to be clear, thank you very much for your business in Crystal.

[1:39:02] We love you guys here.

[1:39:08] Yep.

[1:39:10] Yep.

[1:39:10] Thank you.

[1:39:13] Very nice.

[1:39:18] All right.

[1:39:22] Next, the council will consider civil penalties for violation of liquor license.

[1:39:27] Regulations by Northern Tier, retail, DBA, Speedway.

[1:39:33] Look at that, 7818, 36th Avenue of the North.

[1:39:39] Chrissy, I'm just a council.

[1:39:41] Thank you, again, Mayor and council.

[1:39:43] Speedway, store 41-87, located at 7818, 36th Avenue North.

[1:39:48] Also, did not pass the compliance check.

[1:39:51] The employee of the business has pleaded guilty and court to the offense.

[1:39:54] Notice that the violation in tonight's meeting was sent to the licensee in April 26th.

[1:40:00] This is considered a first violation for this licensee. Staff recommends a $750 fine in one day license

[1:40:06] suspension, and there are representatives on behalf of Speedway and the audience tonight.

[1:40:11] All right. Thank you. Questions for Chrissy on this one?

[1:40:17] Have they ever had a violation?

[1:40:19] No. Never.

[1:40:22] And that would be, that would be gold back to the name change, right?

[1:40:28] I mean, it doesn't go back to the history of the building and like it doesn't go back to like super America, right?

[1:40:36] This owner licensee, yes, this is their first violation.

[1:40:42] They have been northern tier retail LLC for many years to my knowledge.

[1:40:48] That's beyond being a speedway.

[1:40:50] Yes, they're, yes, they're DBA. Yes, and the change of their DBS. Sorry. Well, that's a long time.

[1:40:57] All right.

[1:40:59] It's like they're maybe we need clarity on that.

[1:41:02] Don't, right?

[1:41:05] So let's get some clarification.

[1:41:07] It's my understanding that Speedway bought out super America.

[1:41:12] Yes.

[1:41:12] It's a different company.

[1:41:14] Correct.

[1:41:15] The licenses remain with the same person.

[1:41:17] Yeah, correct.

[1:41:18] No, same.

[1:41:19] the same, yeah, same person, but different company.

[1:41:23] Okay, I just want to make sure that.

[1:41:25] So you responded to the person not to the company.

[1:41:28] Is that correct?

[1:41:30] I'm responding to the Northern or the interior retail LLC.

[1:41:35] Thank you.

[1:41:36] Thank you.

[1:41:37] Thank you.

[1:41:38] I'll just excuse me.

[1:41:41] No, I mean, I don't need to be in bed for 10, 30.

[1:41:45] Jeez.

[1:41:46] All right. Any other questions? Seeing none would the licensee please step forward?

[1:41:55] Or are there a rep representation?

[1:41:58] Hi. My name is David Deschenko and I'm from Lavander, Gill and Miller. I represent Northern

[1:42:03] Tier retail LLC that does business as Speedway. I have two Speedway representatives with me,

[1:42:09] Jesse Sindenito, the market leader, and Imran Jaffer in the area leader.

[1:42:14] One, I want to let you know that Speedway takes these violations very seriously.

[1:42:19] After Speedway became aware of this violation, a particular employee was terminated.

[1:42:24] And that's based on company policy.

[1:42:27] Company policy also has numerous other restrictions.

[1:42:30] Number one, you can't sell to people under the age of 21.

[1:42:34] All employees must go through training.

[1:42:37] All employees must certify that they've gone through training.

[1:42:40] They have to take refresher courses every year.

[1:42:42] and the stored leaders must ensure that all the employees have completed their training.

[1:42:48] On top of that, if there is a sale to a minor as happened in this case, there is mandatory termination under the policy.

[1:42:54] And just as it happened here, the employee cannot be rehired for one year.

[1:42:58] If they want to be rehired, you need to have the market leader,

[1:43:02] an area leader, and or the vice president approve in writing

[1:43:05] to the HR department that they can rehired that individual.

[1:43:09] But again, that person has to wait one year before we hire.

[1:43:13] In addition, speedway contracts with companies to do mystery shoppers.

[1:43:16] So unlike the governmental version, it's a similar version, but hired by a third party.

[1:43:22] And that third party comes into mystery shops on all of the stores to see how they pass.

[1:43:26] And in the past two years, we did a two-year search for, so it may 2022 to make 2024.

[1:43:33] There were six mystery shoppers through third party company that came into the store and passed all six times.

[1:43:39] So they take it very, very seriously.

[1:43:42] After this happened, the manual overwrite button at the register was disabled at the store.

[1:43:48] So what happened in a particular incident, the person came in, they wanted to buy alcohol,

[1:43:54] they gave the identification, the identification was scanned.

[1:43:58] On the scanner, it said, not valid, the employee then did a manual overwrite over that.

[1:44:03] And a test of them, it's person's old enough, sold it, and then, of course, was fine, you know, the violation.

[1:44:12] So, the store, in this particular case, they removed that button, which means every single sale of every single

[1:44:18] alcoholic beverage has to go through their system, and if it doesn't go through their system, you can't do a sale.

[1:44:24] So, if you have a person who has an ID from a different jurisdiction, they might be 60 years old, but if for a reason the system doesn't pick it up, you can't have a sale.

[1:44:32] because the system won't allow you to have a sale.

[1:44:34] So the person has to go to a different store.

[1:44:37] They can't go to that speedway.

[1:44:39] Just recently, speedway also disabled the manual overwrite button

[1:44:43] at the other speedway store that's in town.

[1:44:45] Because they don't want to shift people to the other speedway store.

[1:44:49] So both speedway stores have the manual overwriters.

[1:44:52] So if anyone wants to buy alcohol there, no matter your age,

[1:44:55] you have to have your ID and have to go through the system.

[1:45:02] This is our first violation, and speed reass that we would have no license suspension and then pay the $750 fine.

[1:45:12] If you have questions, I'm here, representatives are here as well. Any questions for David?

[1:45:18] I just have a question. So, other businesses, when I bought alcohol in this city, you just show the back of your license and they scan it and they don't ever verify that you're who's on that license.

[1:45:33] What is the policy for Speedway in that situation? Do you actually look at the front to to verify?

[1:45:48] If you're going to speak please come up to the microphone. That way we can hear you better. Plus people.

[1:45:54] Can you repeat that please?

[1:45:57] Yes, so they are required to verify the photo that it is the individual that is purchasing the product.

[1:46:03] And they also have to check for expiration, but the software program will not allow the sale to go through if it is expired or on the 21st.

[1:46:11] Now,

[1:46:13] thank you.

[1:46:15] Any other questions?

[1:46:19] Just have a comment.

[1:46:20] So, the individual, you know, obviously overwrote this particular sale.

[1:46:25] And it sounds like they had pretty good knowledge on how to do it.

[1:46:29] And so again, it goes back to my comment of them enabling underage sales to happen at your

[1:46:37] location.

[1:46:38] Even though you have the mystery shoppers, even though you have the so-called void going

[1:46:42] on.

[1:46:43] I mean, to me, it looks, with our compliance checks, it shows us that there's been a lot

[1:46:51] of illegal sales that have been happening at this location.

[1:46:55] And so great.

[1:46:56] We, you know, I understand your point for like, you know, you've made change is going forward.

[1:47:01] But I do think that you need to be responsible for what has happened in the past.

[1:47:05] And I, and to the council, I would say that we give a $750 fine and a one day suspension in this case.

[1:47:14] So.

[1:47:15] Thank you.

[1:47:16] You may sit down.

[1:47:17] I'd like to make a motion that we impose a penalty based on the findings of $750 with no suspension.

[1:47:25] and looking for a second on that.

[1:47:27] Taji, I'll second that.

[1:47:28] All members in favor, please say aye.

[1:47:30] Aye.

[1:47:31] I'll say nay.

[1:47:32] nay.

[1:47:32] Ocean.

[1:47:33] Well, let's do real call.

[1:47:35] Compton, number Kaiser.

[1:47:36] Aye.

[1:47:37] Compton, number Vanessa Rosen.

[1:47:39] Aye.

[1:47:39] Mayor Adams.

[1:47:40] Aye.

[1:47:41] Compton, number Buddhist Sheski.

[1:47:42] nay.

[1:47:43] Compton, number Cummings.

[1:47:44] Aye.

[1:47:45] Compton, number Cummings.

[1:47:47] Motion passes five to one.

[1:47:48] All right.

[1:47:49] Thank you.

[1:47:51] Thank you for coming in.

[1:47:52] Thank you.

[1:47:52] We appreciate it.

[1:48:08] Exit, council will consider civil penalties

[1:48:10] for the same violation we've been talking about all night for VFW post 494, our city.

[1:48:19] Clerk again, we'll adjust the council on this issue.

[1:48:20] Thank you again, Mayor and Council.

[1:48:22] Lastly, the VFW located at 52 22, 56 Avenue north that not pass the alcohol compliance

[1:48:28] check.

[1:48:29] The employee of the business has played a guilty and court to the offense.

[1:48:33] Notice that a violation in tonight's meeting was sent to the licensee in April 26th.

[1:48:38] This is considered a first violation for this licensee staff is recommending a $750 fine

[1:48:44] in a one-day license suspension and representatives of the VFWR in attendance tonight.

[1:48:50] Thank you, Chrissy. Any questions on this one for staff for Chrissy?

[1:48:57] Seeing none, we will move to the licensee step forward, please.

[1:49:03] I'm please state your name.

[1:49:05] Jean Berdick.

[1:49:07] Jean Berdick.

[1:49:08] All right.

[1:49:09] Did you wish to have a formal hearing or did you help?

[1:49:15] Our employee has already been a court paper file.

[1:49:18] OK.

[1:49:18] Thank you.

[1:49:21] Are there any questions from the Citi Council for Jean?

[1:49:28] I know that you guys go through the training here with the city, correct?

[1:49:32] We have a training at least once a year with the police.

[1:49:36] They come in and hold up alcohol awareness and tobacco training for all of our employees who are working.

[1:49:45] And then we ask them to come back and catch up on them with those employees.

[1:49:49] But we've passed it around the community that they can show up there when we hold the training.

[1:49:55] And we've told the police officers that they wish to hold another training on their own.

[1:50:02] And then what other safeguards you have in place too? We haven't clocked up heard by the bar that shows what date you can serve to a person.

[1:50:16] She knows instantly that she did wrong. I'm not here to make excuses for. She's been there 15 years. She's very good. She knows she made a mistake.

[1:50:29] It was the end of her shift, very busy, normally she checks all the IDs and I didn't realize

[1:50:40] all the little checkpoints on IDs and if there are until I went to this class and they

[1:50:50] always ask for IDs and if the ID doesn't look right, they won't serve the person.

[1:50:57] So, that's all I have to say.

[1:50:58] We do a lot for the community, so.

[1:51:00] True.

[1:51:01] We try to.

[1:51:02] And I'm not making excuses for what happened.

[1:51:05] It happened.

[1:51:07] We have talks about always all the time about that.

[1:51:10] And that's to be the dead horse.

[1:51:11] But we're asking you to partner with us to make sure

[1:51:13] that underage individuals and not receive.

[1:51:17] Yeah, that's their goal.

[1:51:21] So, I mean, there's a culture issue.

[1:51:23] I mean, that needs to change.

[1:51:24] No, yes.

[1:51:32] All right, any other questions, comments?

[1:51:34] Go ahead.

[1:51:35] So this employee, Julie, she's still an employee?

[1:51:39] Yes.

[1:51:39] Has there, did she have any sort of disciplinary action

[1:51:45] against her from you guys?

[1:51:47] No.

[1:51:49] Well, she's been there 15 years.

[1:51:51] We've had never had a problem before.

[1:51:57] Right.

[1:51:57] Any other questions?

[1:51:58] This

[1:52:09] was, I'm the question I asked was what day was, was this done on, thank you, you may sit down.

[1:52:21] Don't we sit down?

[1:52:23] Was this Saturday?

[1:52:25] Last chair.

[1:52:26] Is this Saturday?

[1:52:27] Middle of the afternoon, maybe.

[1:52:28] Actually, that's a typo on.

[1:52:34] All right.

[1:52:41] Any discussion?

[1:52:43] Seeing none looking for motion?

[1:52:45] Make a motion that based on the staff report, including the findings contained therein and the other information presented regarding this matter that a penalty of $750 be imposed in this case.

[1:52:56] For a second?

[1:52:58] David?

[1:52:59] I'll second that.

[1:53:01] All members in favor, please say aye.

[1:53:04] Aye.

[1:53:04] Polls in aye.

[1:53:06] Please.

[1:53:07] Excuse me.

[1:53:08] Conson number one, Esther Rosen.

[1:53:10] Mayor Adams.

[1:53:12] Aye.

[1:53:13] Council member Bootisheski.

[1:53:14] Nate.

[1:53:15] Council member Cummings.

[1:53:16] Aye.

[1:53:17] Council member Camish.

[1:53:19] Council member Kaiser.

[1:53:22] Motion passes.

[1:53:23] All right.

[1:53:26] And I too want to thank the BFF of you for their partnership in the community.

[1:53:31] I am very aware of what you do in our community.

[1:53:34] Thank you so much.

[1:53:36] We value you in our community.

[1:53:39] Plus all the extra stuff that happens with you guys.

[1:53:42] Thank you.

[1:53:44] All right.

[1:53:56] Those.

[1:53:57] Wow.

[1:53:57] All schools.

[1:54:00] Thank you.

[1:54:02] Thank you.

[1:54:02] Next, the council will consider a resolution awarding a contract for a construction of

[1:54:08] hard surfaces towards the alleys park and parking lot in North Lines Park.

[1:54:14] Our recreation director just passed out with the slides for us.

[1:54:17] Thank you, John.

[1:54:18] Welcome.

[1:54:18] Well, good evening Mr. Mayor and Council members.

[1:54:23] We're here with the paper copies of a presentation.

[1:54:26] But we move this week to North Lines Park and Valley Place Park.

[1:54:34] And at Valley Place Park, we have, we'll be replacing the three tennis courts.

[1:54:39] Moving the basketball court adjacent to the tennis courts.

[1:54:42] New fancy around all courts and new trail connections.

[1:54:45] and we went out for bid for this, there is lighting involved as well and that is actually

[1:54:50] item 7.8.

[1:54:52] So, the bid item is one item and the lighting is a second item.

[1:54:57] For in the North Lines Park, we do have...

[1:55:00] Planning and improving the West parking lot and neutral connections at that park. And then, additional work, this was not part of the bid, was removing the parking lot, removing the existing volleyball tennis courts, and then putting some new volleyball stands in that hockey ring.

[1:55:17] So the bid items were for what's indicated there. We were here on March 19, seeking approval of going out for bid.

[1:55:26] advertisements were placed on March 28th and April 4th with bids being opened in April 8th

[1:55:33] and we're here tonight for approval of the bid agreement. The plan here, once all the paperwork is done,

[1:55:40] as they would start probably mid-June and then be done by October. The goal when you're

[1:55:47] doing tennis courts is that the paint needs to be put on before it gets cold so that's usually

[1:55:55] september thing, and the pavement has to cure for 30 days before you paint it. So the

[1:56:00] paving needs to be done in August sometimes so we cannot back track that. But then there's

[1:56:06] some restoration of things that will happen and back would go in October.

[1:56:12] On the next slide,

[1:56:13] you can see the bid results, the two minutes roadways, came with a low bid, which was significantly

[1:56:19] lower than our engineers estimate. So we're pleased with that.

[1:56:29] And so yeah so that's where

[1:56:30] item 7.7 that's those bit items. Then the next slide is the court lighting and we can

[1:56:36] purchase the light through musco sports lighting. We have the musco system in crystal so

[1:56:42] Brad and some other staff can control the light from their phone. So if there's a group

[1:56:49] Using it, and somehow it gives a missed to have a mind,

[1:56:52] they can control them, and so it's a city-wide

[1:56:55] system of lighting, so we use that musco system.

[1:57:00] And that can be, like I say, purchased through source

[1:57:02] well.

[1:57:04] Kilmer electric is a local company,

[1:57:06] and they are one of the preferred installers

[1:57:09] of the musco system, because it's a little different way

[1:57:11] of installing them.

[1:57:13] Typically, when you do like light poles and parking lots,

[1:57:16] you do the tube, and you pour the concrete in it.

[1:57:18] The musco system, the pull comes with the base, all attached, and so they put it all on

[1:57:23] piece, and it's a little bit different process.

[1:57:26] So Kilmer has done all of our recent lighting for sports lighting.

[1:57:33] So the two items, then, if we look at combined 7.7 and 7.8, the budget for the two projects

[1:57:42] This is 890,000, and the projects in the buildings fund are one is in the parks fund.

[1:57:49] This includes the design and bid process, so we had W's B preparing the plans, and that

[1:57:56] we were here in December for that.

[1:57:59] The court and parking lot construction, which is 7.7, is 429,363,665.

[1:58:05] Court lighting, which is agenda item 7.8, is the 105,300.

[1:58:10] So, the total of all of that is 601, so budget 890 and then the actual cost and it's 601 and 927 and 65, so under budget.

[1:58:24] So, the recommendation tonight is to enter into contracts.

[1:58:27] Just take them one at a time, I guess, 7.7.

[1:58:30] Enter into agreement with the two men as a roadways in the amount of 429 and 363 65

[1:58:36] or improvements to the hard surface courts in Valley Place Park and the west parking lot in North

[1:58:41] Lines Park.

[1:58:43] All right.

[1:58:44] Thank you.

[1:58:51] Please.

[1:58:52] Please.

[1:58:53] Please.

[1:58:55] the gas pump court is going to be moved to, that afternoon is under water, and there's water there now.

[1:59:03] Yeah, so the vastible court will be just like we have a becker park where it's basketball, and then the three or

[1:59:10] at becker, it's the pickleball court, so you'll put into one area.

[1:59:14] So instead of being stuck around the whole thing.

[1:59:19] So we did the master plan back in 2017, a call for the basketball court to be moved on the other

[1:59:25] side of the tennis courts, and shortly after we did that plan, we talked to some of the

[1:59:29] neighbors over there, and they really were not pleased with that idea. So this is kind

[1:59:34] of a compromise moving away from the playground where we heard a lot of people don't like

[1:59:39] having basketball right next to playgrounds. And so it moves away from the playground, but then

[1:59:44] also keeps it on, that's the playground side of the play of the tennis courts.

[1:59:49] Okay. Thank you.

[1:59:51] Mm-hmm.

[1:59:52] Sorry.

[1:59:54] When are we doing the parking lot of value place?

[1:59:59] We are not...

[2:00:04] So we're going to do the one by the playground and there we're doing some street reconstruction. And so some of the parking lot is used for that to restore materials. So we just delayed that.

[2:00:19] to next year. I think next year we're going to go on top of the hill and then do that one

[2:00:27] and then the following year come back. Okay so we want I just curious and then also curious

[2:00:34] as a former tennis player have we considered putting like a wall on the fence for kind of an individual

[2:00:41] to hit against once the new fence and courts are up?

[2:00:46] We, I know that was talked about at one point, but then it was not included, so I don't

[2:00:52] recall exactly.

[2:00:54] If there's not the extra space to add something like that, a lot of times those are, you

[2:00:59] have a little bit of extra room and you put that off to the side, put that.

[2:01:05] And that, you know, we're putting up a fence, so at some point if that's a desire we could

[2:01:09] look into that.

[2:01:11] Thank you.

[2:01:12] So, as a pickleball player, I'm wondering if you'd ever switch games, you know, I can do ball

[2:01:19] if I be the...

[2:01:20] It can't.

[2:01:22] That's where they're great on the pickleball curve.

[2:01:25] It transfers quite well.

[2:01:28] Go ahead.

[2:01:28] Just a couple of comments.

[2:01:30] The North Lion's Park.

[2:01:31] I feel like that parking lot has been in rough shape for a while, so that'll be good

[2:01:36] to get that fixed.

[2:01:37] Then I'm just intrigued about the summer volleyball, because it's an, like, boys volleyball

[2:01:40] all the things, so it'd be interesting to see how much use that gets in.

[2:01:43] It's a good use for a summer or for an ice ring.

[2:01:46] Yeah, so there's a lot of volleyball on the hard surface there, and we talked to the guys

[2:01:50] that play there, and they say, if you like, sand or do like the hard surface, and they like

[2:01:54] the hard surface, but the tennis courts there are really in bad shape, so kind of getting

[2:02:02] that out of the picture is part of this plan, and then doing something better in the hockey

[2:02:08] All right, it's got it, it's fine.

[2:02:13] All right, any further questions?

[2:02:18] They're going to be touching.

[2:02:19] The summer volleyball inside the hockey ring.

[2:02:22] Does that just include lines?

[2:02:26] Or are you going to, are there holes that are going to be up?

[2:02:28] We're going to, that look like.

[2:02:30] So if you look, I think we back at least made one.

[2:02:33] I was a kid.

[2:02:34] You had the tires with the concrete and the pole.

[2:02:37] It's a nice diversion of that with more concrete

[2:02:40] that we'll move in with heavy equipment

[2:02:42] and in place them and then the other reliance on the concrete as well for that.

[2:02:47] Got it. Cool.

[2:02:49] Okay.

[2:02:50] That's it.

[2:02:52] You left yourself that wide open and everybody passed.

[2:02:55] Well, you like you know you.

[2:02:59] Any other questions?

[2:03:02] All right, looking for motion.

[2:03:06] Tracy.

[2:03:07] I will make a motion to adopt the resolution to a word of contract for her

[2:03:13] It's Surface Court Improvements and Valley Park Place,

[2:03:18] Valley Police Park, and West Parking Lot

[2:03:20] Improvements in North Lyon's Park.

[2:03:22] All right, looking for a second.

[2:03:25] Three?

[2:03:25] A second, that.

[2:03:27] All right, well, members in favor, please say aye.

[2:03:29] Aye.

[2:03:30] Both say nay.

[2:03:33] No, we agree on something.

[2:03:35] I appreciate the no role call.

[2:03:39] Yeah, you and I both.

[2:03:42] The second part of that is 7.8.

[2:03:46] And you've done all you're talking on that one, right?

[2:03:48] Correct.

[2:03:49] Any questions on that one?

[2:03:51] Seeing none.

[2:03:51] Tracy.

[2:03:53] I will make a motion to adopt a resolution to approve the purchase and installation of a lighting

[2:03:58] system for the hard surface courts in Valley, please park.

[2:04:02] All right.

[2:04:02] For a second.

[2:04:04] I will second that.

[2:04:07] Members in favor please say aye.

[2:04:11] Thank you.

[2:04:12] Yeah.

[2:04:12] Thank you.

[2:04:14] So we do have a couple announcements to accommodate Crystal Residence, participating

[2:04:18] on Nomay.

[2:04:20] The city waits until June 1st to begin along grass enforcement.

[2:04:24] The city council will work session on Thursday, May 9th at 630 in the conference room

[2:04:30] A at City Hall.

[2:04:32] It's also available for via Zoom.

[2:04:34] Friends of the Crystal Park Plan Cale is Saturday, May 18 from 9am to 1pm.

[2:04:41] That's at Dr. Park.

[2:04:43] And the next council meeting is Tuesday, May 21, 7pm.

[2:04:47] Here, council chambers at Seahaw and it's also available on via Zoom.

[2:04:51] Council meetings and work sessions are available for listening and viewing.

[2:04:54] At Crystal and at com.

[2:04:57] Go.

[2:04:58] Excuse me.

[2:05:00] Any other announcements?

[2:05:02] Yes.

[2:05:03] I had two quick things to say. First, I will let the council give force the hard time, not being here tonight.

[2:05:11] Created the even number of votes.

[2:05:14] He was originally planning on attending remotely, so we set that up.

[2:05:17] We were required the full full votes, but we got a conflict that came up.

[2:05:22] I mean, it's traveling.

[2:05:23] The second thing, I had the honor, the privilege yesterday, too.

[2:05:28] I've gone to Rochester to attend the Minnesota Association of Women Police

[2:05:33] Award ceremony and our chief revering received the leadership award for 2023.

[2:05:43] The whole state, so I just want to commend her on that and recognize her.

[2:05:48] Can I ask one question, Chief?

[2:05:49] Do you get like a big belt?

[2:05:50] I should, right?

[2:05:54] Champion, right?

[2:05:55] Yeah.

[2:05:56] In the TRR.

[2:05:57] TRR.

[2:05:58] I would love to share with you.

[2:06:00] Thank you.

[2:06:01] Adam, appreciate it.

[2:06:03] If you don't mind, Mayor, I would be remiss if I didn't talk about police week.

[2:06:07] Just really quick.

[2:06:08] Two seconds.

[2:06:09] Sure.

[2:06:09] Thank you for the proclamation.

[2:06:10] You welcome.

[2:06:10] As you know, normally deputy chief Brian Humberd is here with me during council meetings.

[2:06:16] And tonight, the reason he wasn't here is because a

[2:06:19] Burnsville captain who retired three weeks prior to their shootings down there passed away

[2:06:24] in his sleep.

[2:06:25] And so Brian being the president of Lima, the law enforcement moral association was dealing

[2:06:30] with that in the family.

[2:06:32] And I bring that up because, as you know, we lost two police officers and a paramedic firefighter

[2:06:38] not that long ago.

[2:06:39] And it's been me, unfortunately, the largest amount of criminal assaults on law enforcement

[2:06:47] in the last two years.

[2:06:48] And so I say that only because I'm very grateful that that has not happened here in Crystal and hopefully never will.

[2:06:55] But to commend you for honoring please week and that's why it's really matters that we do, so thank you for doing that.

[2:07:00] And to honor Deputy Chief Hubbard for his work and when he does every day with Lima, so that's it.

[2:07:05] Thank you.

[2:07:06] Well, we want to thank you.

[2:07:09] We have, we've seriously seen some extremely good leadership through your whole command staff.

[2:07:15] We thank you for yours. Obviously, this is well-deserved in my opinion. I think I speak for everyone on the council

[2:07:23] So thank you for your dedication. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your leadership and

[2:07:29] Congratulations. Thank you for sharing it.

[2:07:39] Yeah

[2:07:39] Aren't you supposed to shake her hand

[2:07:46] All right

[2:07:46] with that, I moved for a German.

[2:07:49] So moved.

[2:07:49] Is he second?

[2:07:51] No, I moved for a German.

[2:07:53] You asked for him.

[2:07:53] No, I moved for that.

[2:07:56] Are you going to second?

[2:07:57] Anybody else want to second?

[2:07:59] I'm going to second.

[2:07:59] All right, thanks, please.

[2:08:01] All members of Facebook, please say aye.

[2:08:03] Aye.

[2:08:03] Please say aye.

[2:08:04] Motion carries.

[2:08:06] He's numerous.

[2:08:07] Wow.

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