[0:06] At the time, we'll call the order, the regular meeting of Common Council. This is July 18, 2023, carry, roll please.

[0:37] Foundation, under God, individual,

[0:40] with over-gened justice, and so on.

[0:50] Item three approval of the minutes of the June 20th,

[0:54] 2023 Common Council meeting.

[0:55] A commotion approval.

[0:57] Motion by all the person, Carpenter, second by all the person

[1:00] led me to any discussion or comments.

[1:03] Seeing there is none, all those in favor, say aye.

[1:06] All right.

[1:07] Opposed?

[1:08] Motion carries, thank you.

[1:10] Item four, public hearing on the amendment

[1:12] of Chapter 14 zoning ordinance of the Deep Hearing Municipal Code, including updates to the official

[1:18] zoning district map. Will the clerk please read the notice?

[1:23] The notice of public hearing was published in the press times on June 30, and July 7, 2023.

[1:30] Thank you. Recommendation from staff, Dan.

[1:33] Thank you, Mayor. In June, the plan commission heard from staff regarding the second quarter

[1:38] of edits. As you remember, once we adopted the new zoning coding in December of last year

[1:44] for Effective January 1 of this year, we knew that there was going to be growing pains.

[1:48] And this is the second quarter of the one where we're finding just some small corrections,

[1:52] some typographical errors and a variety of other small things that we found over the first few

[1:56] months that we probably need to finesse and just massage out a little bit.

[1:59] So in that, I think Commissioner recommended approval of 32 zoning ordinance revisions.

[2:05] And when you see a 32 it's not really doesn't look that big because when you make a change in one chart

[2:09] It sort of makes its way through the multiple other charts and so even though it says 32 from a content standpoint

[2:14] It isn't that many and then also five zoning map revisions as we went through

[2:20] Last year we have about 8,000, 9,000 properties in the city

[2:24] We're finding a couple little pockets here and there of one that should have been classified

[2:28] appropriately and so these are what those those corrections are so we can go through them individually if you'd like

[2:33] But with that, the Plan Commission recommended approval of the zoning text change as well as the zoning map provisions.

[2:40] I would like to make one point.

[2:42] It was included in your packet.

[2:44] That was a deviation from the Plan Commission.

[2:47] The staff is recommending a small change to the facade requirements for our single family homes and do flex homes.

[2:54] That was included in your packet.

[2:56] Our goal with that one is to address that at a later date after we've had some additional time to investigate a little bit

[3:02] there with some of our builders who were objecting still to that language.

[3:06] So with that one, we are sort of making the correction to that facade language, but we'd

[3:09] like to still evaluate it for further investigation into the future.

[3:15] Thank you. At this time, I declare the public hearing hope in anyone in the audience or virtually

[3:20] want to speak on this item on the agenda now is your time. So if anyone in the public wants to speak

[3:25] on this item on the agenda item four, either raise your hand in the audience or virtually just

[3:34] for the second time any one of the public want to speak on this item on the agenda

[3:39] state your name either virtually if you're out there or in person. For the third

[3:43] and final time any one want to make a comment regarding this item on the agenda

[3:47] while the hearing is open. Seeing there is none I declare the public hearing

[3:53] closed and when entertained emotions so if you have questions we can ask them.

[3:57] I make a motion to approve.

[3:58] I'll second motion my other person rash second my other person p-rock any discussion or comments

[4:07] Seeing there is none all those in favor say aye

[4:12] opposed motion carries. Thank you item five

[4:16] Public hearing on a request to be zone parcels WD 534 WD 535 WD 531

[4:25] WD 536 at

[4:29] 22828 Maine Avenue and 823-827 Oak Street from R-1-45 single dwelling detached to MX-3

[4:39] corridor mix use. Can the clerk please read the notice of the public hearing?

[4:44] The public hearing was published in the press times on June 30, and July 7, 2023.

[4:50] Thank you, staff recommendation, please.

[4:52] Thank you, Mayor. At the June Plan Commission meeting,

[4:54] The plan commission also heard from an applicant to rezone the four parcels as you mentioned on main avenue purpose behind that is to transition from the single family and rental properties that you do see there to a commercial use in line with our comprehensive plan are existing comprehensive plan so as you see on the map there you can see the four homes that are identified in between Johnson bank as well as the pharmacy so you see those four homes the small a small clip that you see there on the side is from the comprehensive plan future

[5:24] and use map, which of this area was designated

[5:26] for commercial redevelopment.

[5:28] So that is in line with the comprehensive plan

[5:30] at a such supply and commission recommended approval.

[5:33] Thank you.

[5:34] At this time, I'll declare the public hearing open

[5:36] for this item on the agenda.

[5:38] If I didn't want to speak on this item,

[5:40] just raise your hand either in person or virtually

[5:43] now is your time while the public hearing is open.

[5:48] For the second time, anyone want to speak on this item

[5:51] on the agenda while the public hearings open regarding item five.

[5:57] For the third and final time, if anyone wants to speak on this item on the agenda while

[6:03] the public hearing is open, just raise your hand or stay-chername.

[6:08] It appears there is no one, so at this time I declare the public hearing closed and when

[6:12] entertain a motion.

[6:13] I'll make a motion to approve.

[6:15] Second, motion milder person rash, second of my older person carpenter, any discussion

[6:20] or comments.

[6:20] All the person, Hansen.

[6:23] Yeah, Dan, can you just talk about the current single family homes, including on Oak

[6:28] Street, 823 and 827?

[6:30] How old?

[6:31] No, four that are under discussion here tonight?

[6:34] Yeah, kind of, they get, I assume they're going to be raised, but who owns them right now?

[6:37] It's owned by one single entity.

[6:40] The applicant is representing them tonight.

[6:43] The intention is to remove them and turn that into another financial institution to serve

[6:47] the greater-to-peer community.

[6:50] And with our new website that was posted, you should be able to track the site plan process as it works its way through.

[6:58] And then 831 to 847, I know it's not part of this, but on that map for future land use, is that also supposed to eventually be commercial?

[7:07] It's later for future commercial, but it's completely up to the owners of those properties to understand if they wish to have

[7:19] to stay at the single family's own classification.

[7:23] But the comp plan did show commercial redevelopment on them, as well.

[7:25] So they could request the rezoning in the future if they so choose.

[7:29] Thank you.

[7:30] Other questions or comments?

[7:34] Seeing there is none.

[7:35] All those in favor?

[7:36] Say aye.

[7:38] Opposed?

[7:40] Motion carries.

[7:41] Thank you.

[7:43] Item six.

[7:44] Public comments upon matters.

[7:46] Not on the agenda.

[7:47] Comments made during the public comment period.

[7:49] Shell pertain only to matters under the jurisdiction of the common council.

[7:53] So at this time, if anyone has a public comment upon matters not in the agenda in the audience,

[7:57] if you want to raise your hand and come up and speak, come on up.

[8:03] Mary Jane will have a give us your name and address.

[8:05] You know how this thing works.

[8:06] Because we're sitting on 33 items on the agenda, we will adhere to our five-minute rule again.

[8:12] Great amazing.

[8:15] Thanks Mary Jane.

[8:17] Mary Jane Herbert eight forty nine yeah eight forty nine North Clay in

[8:21] deep here. I'm here to say that the city council I've just come from the village

[8:30] board in Alley that meant at six thirty I'm here now something has got to be

[8:37] done about the deer population in this community. Between I talk to a friend I'm

[8:45] tired of having my yard be there bidding.

[8:50] I'm tired of having my flowers, my tomato plants,

[8:53] everything just chopped off.

[8:56] Last year, I've been in my house

[8:58] since October of 2006.

[9:02] And I talked to one of the neighbors,

[9:03] and it's only the last five or six years

[9:05] this has really gotten to be a problem.

[9:08] Last year, I deliberately did not pull out

[9:11] any of the stems of the day, Lily,

[9:13] that got chomped off. And you can tell when a flower has come to fruition and the buds have

[9:19] blossomed and just fallen off. And you can tell when the deer have come. Because they

[9:25] looser tall. It's not the bunnies. Okay. I had 350 stems. So if you figure there's 3, 4, 5, 6,

[9:36] buds per stem. We're talking about a thousand flowers. The neighbors are losing to make

[9:43] plans we've got deer, they're pooping in our yards, they're all over the place. And I

[9:49] talked to a friend who's very active with the DNR and is on several committees. And

[9:53] he told me about a week ago that the optimum for deer population in this country is six

[10:02] per square mile. Well, that's obviously in downtown Los Angeles. They don't have a lot of deer,

[10:07] but that means that that count is over in Colorado.

[10:11] In Wisconsin, we have 35 to 40 deer per square mile

[10:17] according to the DNR figures.

[10:20] The property at the Abbey is a quarter of a mile square,

[10:25] 168 acres, the square mile, 640.

[10:29] 168 acres, I can tell you that there's 35 to 40 people

[10:34] deer on that property because there are times

[10:36] that I come home from work along Webster,

[10:39] and I can count 20, drive in 30 miles an hour.

[10:43] We've got too many deer in Easteapier.

[10:47] I'm part of it's because of the trail,

[10:49] I understand that.

[10:50] But between the deer and the ledgeview and Belleview

[10:54] and Alloway and Green Bay,

[10:57] we've got to do something about that deer population.

[10:59] It is far too large in terms of the acreage that there is.

[11:04] And the other problem is is because of the speed limit on both Riverside and Webster and it's 30 miles an hour.

[11:16] Some people are doing 25, some people are doing 40, but because of that speed limit and what's happening is we're not losing any deer because there's 5560.

[11:28] If you were out on 29 or 54 or one of those, there'd be a lot more deer than getting bumped off and a lot more damage to cars.

[11:37] Well really, think about it, people at when if you're driving 30 miles an hour and a deer comes out in front of you,

[11:44] you can break and miss it and it can miss you.

[11:47] And so we don't have as many dead deer as we would if it was 55, 60 on Riverside Drive.

[11:53] And I call Brad laying from all the way frequently, below, with lawn cemetery down in there

[12:00] where that ravine is, and call them and say, Brad, I don't know who takes care of this,

[12:04] but there's another dead deer down there.

[12:06] And I've done it for the last two or three years that there's deer laying in that piece.

[12:13] And it's partly because when people come down off a river side, there's that dip, and that little

[12:22] and we have to do something about it.

[12:28] I am tired of having the neighbors tell me about their tomato plants.

[12:33] I'm tired of looking out the window and seeing them eating other people's flowers, et cetera.

[12:41] And the problem is that most people won't make the effort to come here and say it.

[12:46] I'm here tonight telling you there's too many deer on the abbey property.

[12:51] I'm prepared to give that young frotter or priest or whoever he is a couple of years ago that everybody

[12:58] Oh, Bambi! Bambi, Bloney! I'm ready to buy a deer take and give him another one and let him have another deer because I've had it.

[13:09] I don't want to take out my flower bed and put in grass. We don't want that. Think about it this way, guys.

[13:16] We're talking about bees and the fact that bees are going away, but we're going to eliminate the flower beds because we can't figure out what to do with the deer.

[13:27] So we aren't going to have bees, but we're going to have deer that are a problem. That doesn't make sense.

[13:35] So that's my point of being here. Please work together with these other communities and figure out what to do about this deer population.

[13:45] That's it.

[13:46] Thank you.

[13:46] Thank you, Mary Jane.

[13:49] Anyone else in the audience have public comment

[13:51] to upon matters, not on the agenda.

[13:55] Anyone virtually have any public comment

[13:56] to upon matters, not on the agenda.

[13:59] For the third and final time,

[14:02] anyone have any public comment to upon matters,

[14:03] not on the agenda.

[14:05] All right.

[14:06] Thank you again.

[14:08] Item seven,

[14:09] Proclamation for the 100th birthday of Clayton E. Colb,

[14:13] has been unfortunately moved to a later meeting, so we will not do that tonight.

[14:18] Item 8.

[14:20] Green Bay Transit Presentation.

[14:23] There are services for a deep peer residence.

[14:25] Patty's here somewhere.

[14:26] There's Patty.

[14:28] Hello there.

[14:28] How are you?

[14:29] Hi, very good.

[14:29] Thank you.

[14:30] I was hiding in CQ.

[14:31] I was like, why is that?

[14:33] I didn't.

[14:33] I think the aim was to have a proper point.

[14:36] Well, thank you for inviting me.

[14:38] I appreciate it.

[14:38] I think it's been a little bit.

[14:40] Hey, I want a second Patty.

[14:41] They're just going to find you.

[14:42] If you have a presentation, it's already a logo.

[14:44] Let's see what it

[14:47] is.

[14:48] There it is.

[14:48] It wasn't in PowerPoint.

[14:49] It was in...

[14:50] Well, whatever it is, you're handling that song.

[14:52] We're good to go.

[14:54] That's how it's screwed up.

[14:55] Just give me the signal.

[14:56] Got it.

[14:57] Well, thank you.

[14:58] I think it's been a little while since I've been...

[15:00] So I appreciate Larry and VTV out here to explain where things are at with Green Bay Metro. We've had a lot of changes over the last few years, a lot that really has impacted the city of deep years.

[15:14] So with that, I just wanted to kind of give an overview of how we're doing things today and happy to answer any questions at the end that there may be.

[15:22] So I want to put me to the next screen there, awesome.

[15:27] So back in 2020, of course, we've all had it,

[15:31] you know, went through a lot of changes.

[15:33] We took our traditional fixed route,

[15:37] paratransit system, and we kind of revamped

[15:39] and added an additional mode of transportation.

[15:42] So that brings us to providing three different modes

[15:44] of public transit to the communities.

[15:46] And that's the traditional fixed route bus,

[15:49] which is true that that traditional fixed rail bus is no longer in the city of DPR.

[15:55] But we also have paratransit, that is for qualified disabled individuals.

[16:00] And then we have our new micro-transit, which is our on-demand service.

[16:03] And so I'll talk a little bit about that as we go forward.

[16:06] But that's really the main service that along with paratransit, that covers your community.

[16:11] So with that, yes, please.

[16:14] This kind of gives you an overview of our whole service area.

[16:17] And so really what we did back in 2019, the Transit Commission had approved a consultant

[16:25] to come in and look at an additional motor transportation for us, which is the on-demand service.

[16:31] And one of the reasons for that is the traditional bus would provide service from about

[16:35] 515 in the morning till about 1045 at night, and I'm probably not telling you all anything new

[16:41] that some of those buses in the evening were not very heavily used.

[16:45] And so what we really wanted to do is make sure that we were meeting the demand of the community,

[16:49] but kind of doing it in the most efficient way that we could in most time effective.

[16:54] So, so we brought in a consultant, we kind of re-did.

[16:58] We really started with a plan map, started over from the beginning, and with all the great technology that we have in place we're able to tell where people are getting on,

[17:07] where they're getting off, where they're utilizing the services, and so that's really what we did.

[17:10] And we worked very closely with Brown County Planning who serves as our metropolitan planning

[17:15] organization.

[17:16] And so we worked with them and really kind of looked at things and said, where are people

[17:19] using it and where is the need?

[17:21] And so what we did with that is we circled the fixed route system all around that.

[17:27] Because obviously the most cost effective system is to be able to use fixed route buses where

[17:32] those numbers are.

[17:33] And then we really wanted to make sure that we were servicing those other areas that didn't

[17:39] have a high ridership, but yet needed transportation for third shift workers and those types

[17:44] of things.

[17:45] So that's where we really kind of took microtransit, which is an on-demand service that

[17:49] I'm going to explain.

[17:50] And really, we use that to complement the existing service.

[17:53] So our service map looks a little different here.

[17:57] There, it might be a little bit challenging for you to see from a distance, but all the colored

[18:01] routes are the traditional fixed route service that is provided and then that yellow area

[18:06] that's around the whole service area, that is all paratransit.

[18:09] As you can see, that is really changed for the city of DPR, and that is because of the

[18:15] on-demand service.

[18:16] So an on-demand service is really very, very similar to a public version of Uber and

[18:21] left.

[18:21] So you can book it via phone or you can book it versus an on an app.

[18:27] And you know, our response time we like to really say we want to be there within about 20 minutes

[18:32] we're averaging about 13 minutes right now and that was as of yesterday morning, so we are

[18:37] on target for those rides, so and what happens is all of those are ADA accessible trips

[18:42] as well. So regulations change for us a little bit with that different mode of transportation

[18:48] which is why you don't see that bubble quite as large. Just so you know that bubble is a

[18:54] little bit smaller than, you know, previously it was covered a little bit more area of

[18:58] peer, however, anybody that was previously approved for that paratransit did not, you know,

[19:04] none of their services change. So, but anybody within any of those zones can use that

[19:10] on demand service. And, you know, and those are all ADA accessible. They are, it's provided us

[19:18] the option to provide additional service hours, which is really nice. And so if you want to

[19:28] of course, the city of Green Bay and the city of D.P.

[19:31] but then Alloway, Ashwavana, and Bellevue.

[19:33] And those services cover all of those areas.

[19:36] And so the on-demand service has really come into play

[19:39] with portions of Green Bay, but with all of D.P.

[19:43] and in a lot of Bellevue and portions of Alloway and Ashwavana as well.

[19:48] And so it really has allowed, we've redesigned

[19:50] to that system, to utilize the outskirt area

[19:54] to be that on-demand service and really funnel people

[19:57] in to transfer points to utilize the fixed route.

[20:00] So in any of those areas where ridership is high

[20:03] and we see that high demand, we really

[20:05] want to be bringing people into utilize those buses to do that.

[20:09] So with that, if you want to go to the next,

[20:12] a lot of people I will say, when we went through this transition

[20:15] and I know I've talked to many folks as we went through this,

[20:18] there were a lot of questions, completely new system.

[20:22] And so a lot of people were very confused by this

[20:24] And a lot of people that first reaction was, and I promise my kids did not draw this picture.

[20:32] And so, but a lot of, you know, people kept saying, oh my gosh, she took away the bus.

[20:37] And truly, the bus is the traditional 35-40 foot bus is gone.

[20:41] I will tell you I have other areas that want all on-demand service like the city of D.P.

[20:46] here as well, so because it's really a sweet system.

[20:49] And so we really expanded that a lot since we, the initial, because we really did a pilot

[20:53] first and we continue to expand that and so you know when people say you know I just can't

[20:58] go where I used to be able to go. This is a map that Brown County planning had put together.

[21:03] This is truly places you can go just on and did my on-demand service without utilizing

[21:09] the fixed route at all. You can travel you know from those zones so it just to give in an

[21:14] example you know for say civil hop school they utilize our services quite a bit. If they were

[21:21] wanting to go out to say NWTC area or that Walmart area,

[21:26] those types of things, they can really just take

[21:28] micro transit from here to there.

[21:31] Instead of taking out a bus, going down to the transit center,

[21:34] transferring and then taking another bus out to Walmart.

[21:37] So there's a lot of different options.

[21:38] They can really transfer amongst those zones.

[21:42] So there is a learning curve.

[21:44] So I think that we've been really fortunate

[21:47] to work with Brown County Planning and we

[21:48] have a full-time coordinator that she

[21:51] release, that's what she does.

[21:52] She goes around, she does tons of presentations at all different agencies and schools and groups

[21:57] and really teaches them how to utilize all the modes of transportation.

[22:01] The on-demand service has really been a huge benefit with our paratransit.

[22:05] If you see numbers that go through and we'll talk a little bit about that paratransit has

[22:11] really declined in cost and numbers and one of the biggest reasons for that is that

[22:16] people are able to use the on-demand service and it's much more cost-effective.

[22:20] even for a disabled client to utilize on demand.

[22:25] So, you know, for an on demand if you're an elderly or disabled person and you are purchasing a 30 day pass at 29 dollars,

[22:32] you can utilize that on the fixed row bus or you can utilize that on this demand service.

[22:37] So, it's unlimited rights for 30 days for 29 dollars.

[22:41] Paratransit for individuals that need to utilize that service, it's four dollars one way.

[22:46] So, if you're having to go to the doctor and back if a dollar is just for one trip and that's the cash fair and those are all regulated by the federal transit administration.

[22:55] So, expanding the micro transit zones are really beneficial for individuals that are able to utilize the micro transit service.

[23:03] They are all ADA accessible, so if you're using mobility devices and things like that, you still can use this service.

[23:08] And we do have some really neat things in place for individuals that have some challenges

[23:14] with utilizing that we put them on.

[23:16] It's kind of behind the scenes.

[23:18] We call it kind of like this wait list that we can put them on and really give them a

[23:22] door to our option versus a corner to corner which on demand usually ends up being.

[23:28] So I wanted to provide you all thank you.

[23:30] This is an overall for 2024 estimate for budget.

[23:34] Just wanted to share this.

[23:35] This is not concrete, so I don't run with this quite yet, but close.

[23:40] So this is overall, generally speaking, I've been with transit just about 20 years now and

[23:45] then, unfortunately, the number doesn't go up a whole lot, but I will tell you that.

[23:50] As you can see, we sit about a half million or so dollar budget and the federal in-state

[23:57] portion really covers the majority of our budget.

[24:00] The local share, which is covered by all of our pertinent communities, ends up being a little under 2.2 million, 2.1 actually on here.

[24:10] Just to kind of show you where these numbers come in, deep years estimate as about 140,000.

[24:17] Just so to give you all and just kind of how that works is we kind of estimate your portion and if we utilize all of our dollars.

[24:25] how transit works is we have to end zero every year, which I don't like.

[24:30] I'm sure you all like it. I think you just got to check right Larry.

[24:33] Is that a nice, very nice, probably?

[24:37] Yeah, 81,000.

[24:41] So, yeah, so it wasn't payable breaks, but anyway, so what ends up happening is transit needs to end at zero each year.

[24:50] And so when we get audited in the beginning of every year,

[24:53] any dollars that are left over are reimbursed to each community the same way they paid in.

[24:58] So if we end up, you know, coming in below budget that all benefits you all, we are not

[25:03] allowed to hang on to any of those dollars. So they all go back to the federal and state,

[25:08] which I tell you, we do use all of their money. So, but, you know, so that's kind of how that

[25:13] piece works, you know, pair transit and fuel ends up being the big two numbers that are always

[25:19] challenge in for us that we cannot control.

[25:23] Paratransly, you know, trips cannot be denied there.

[25:26] So we have no control over the number of those trips.

[25:28] And I sure you all would like to control fuel costs

[25:31] as much as I would.

[25:33] So those are really big, the two big numbers

[25:35] that can make us fluctuate quite a bit.

[25:38] In addition to the last couple of years,

[25:39] we've had some excess dollars that we've

[25:42] been able to utilize through some of the COVID funding,

[25:45] which is where you guys really see

[25:47] in a huge benefit back.

[25:48] So, a little bit on the on-demand, I really wanted to focus on some numbers because I'm sure

[25:53] I was going to ask that.

[25:56] So, just really who utilizes the on-demand for your community, you know, civil hop utilizes

[26:03] that a lot to the various areas that they go, they can really, you know, book that now by an app

[26:10] instead of having to utilize the fixed route service, which was typically an hour route.

[26:16] So they were always having to schedule around that.

[26:20] In addition, we do provide quite a few trips out to Walmart

[26:23] and to other employers in the community as well

[26:26] as to medical appointments.

[26:28] I did pull some data.

[26:29] This really goes from January one of this year to July 9th.

[26:33] And so one of the things that with the software that we have,

[26:39] we can really get specific on rides.

[26:41] So from deep here to 90 peer rides for,

[26:44] so this is strictly for the on demand service.

[26:48] Because once they get on to a fixed route,

[26:49] I mean they go all over and the fixed route

[26:51] is not in deep here, so I did not bring any of those numbers

[26:53] with, but for individuals that are in deep here

[26:57] that are going, that are coming to the peer from 90 peer area.

[27:01] So whether they're in L.A. or S.w.

[27:03] and then they're coming to your community.

[27:05] So for those first little over six months or so,

[27:07] that number is right around 2,500.

[27:09] it was like 24.96 is where that number sits. So for 90 peer community members, two non-depear community members, from

[27:18] DPR, you're looking at about 3,000. So it was about five little that. So approximately 3,000. And we can get specifically

[27:27] exactly where those rides are to if that information is ever requested. And then from individuals just

[27:34] in DPR, stay in DPR, that numbers write around 1,400.

[27:39] So that's kind of where what you see in this year so far.

[27:42] I will tell you that ridership we is continuously going up before the pandemic, Green Bay

[27:49] Metro averaged about 1.3 million rides per year.

[27:53] And that was really just period, you know, I'm sorry, just fixed road services.

[27:57] Now it's a little bit unique with the additional motor transit.

[28:00] So we're at about 800,000.

[28:01] We continue to see that number kind of climb.

[28:04] It's very different services now than what it was.

[28:08] We do meet on a monthly basis to discuss all of the on-demand

[28:13] ridership.

[28:13] I would tell you that every single month and for the last year,

[28:17] the numbers have just been set.

[28:19] How you're in how you're every single month.

[28:20] So we have not seen that down.

[28:22] It just continues to increase.

[28:24] I think one of the biggest things that we do get asked

[28:27] If we could get it there sooner, I will tell you that fixed route services is about 30 minutes.

[28:35] So for, you know, we're averaging about 12, 13 minutes right now, that's pretty good service.

[28:42] We can decrease that, but when we decrease that, that means we need to put more vehicles on the road, which of course, you know, comes to cost.

[28:49] So we do try to have a really close, you know, really cautious balance to that.

[28:54] All right, and so with that, I'm happy to take any questions.

[28:58] I can stay and talk all night long if you'd like, but I'm happy to answer any questions.

[29:03] Sure, they love that.

[29:04] All right, we'll take in.

[29:04] Thank you.

[29:05] Thank you.

[29:06] All the person rash.

[29:08] Yeah, and I appreciate you coming back.

[29:10] I did.

[29:10] I mean, I requested that we just go to an update.

[29:13] I'm just hearing some things in the community about how this works and it's not the

[29:17] lots of it.

[29:18] I'm sure you hear some of those things as well.

[29:20] I do.

[29:21] So I do appreciate you bringing this up and sharing a lot of your

[29:23] numbers. That helps. I mean, so if you look at those numbers, you're talking close to almost

[29:29] 7,000 rides just from the beginning of the year in and out of it and around it and

[29:35] disappear, so that's pretty good. I appreciate the response of this. It was on my questions.

[29:39] So being 13 minutes, some of the things I've heard is it takes a long time for the microbust

[29:44] to show up. And then I guess my question is the kind of outreach in the community to help

[29:50] people understand this better, I know it's hard to do, but if there's more of that, that

[29:55] can be done obviously, it's appreciated.

[29:57] The app, how does the app work?

[30:00] Is it like an Uber type of thing where you're just making the request and then they'll tell you one that person is going to show up or how does that?

[30:06] It's just like you can see your vehicle. You can see your response time. I will tell you that I personally use it in the evening for dinners, just because it's my way home then.

[30:17] And so I will tell you that I will, I can go in. I can book that trip. I will see one vehicle that's going to be here in 23 minutes and I can see one that will be here in five minutes.

[30:27] And then you can select what action works for you.

[30:30] Now, because that driver may be on break, that driver might just be dropping somebody else off.

[30:35] So, you know, what I always tell people is, if you see a high response, I would tell you to go back in and rebook.

[30:40] Every time that, you know, in the beginning, I will tell you we had a lot of questions,

[30:45] because this is a completely different service for our community.

[30:48] I will tell you that the on-demand service that Gremay Metro did is the first and the state of Wisconsin for micro transit.

[30:53] It's a very completely different for our folks, and I will tell you that every time somebody

[30:58] makes a trip, I can go in, I can see exactly where they were when they booked that trip.

[31:04] Sometimes they're not in the zone, which those are things that over the past two years,

[31:10] we've really kind of tweaked that.

[31:13] And we can adjust that.

[31:14] That's easy stuff for us to adjust, you know, back in the day of fixed route, when you say,

[31:19] okay, hey, we have a new employer and we really need to reach out to this employer.

[31:21] But that's challenging to be able to extend a fixed route.

[31:25] With microtransit, we can make those modifications very easily in expand service.

[31:31] And so, honestly, I don't get a lot of complaints that are have been validated.

[31:37] Sometimes it's really individuals learning how to use it in booking their trip.

[31:44] The on-demand has really given us the ability to extend and provide longer services.

[31:49] You know, where we would never, right now one day through Friday we operate until 1130 we would never be able to provide transportation services that late and not that there's a high demand

[31:58] But there are people that do need to get to third shift employment and those types of things

[32:03] And so that's an option and for us to provide that at a lot less cost than what we've been able to.

[32:09] So Andrea is our mobility coordinator. She is out all over at various agencies.

[32:16] I'm more than happy to get her connected up with anybody.

[32:19] She meets people individually in the communities to go and teach them how to book their

[32:24] rides.

[32:25] She'll meet them out at their staff.

[32:26] Help them do all of those things.

[32:28] She is at all sorts.

[32:30] She has ongoing standard meetings monthly with human service, agencies and all sorts of things.

[32:37] So I'm happy to get her connected up with anything.

[32:39] I did bring some information to you because I figured there would be some questions

[32:42] on how to do that.

[32:43] But our website is a great tool.

[32:46] It really goes through how to set that up.

[32:49] There's videos on there.

[32:50] So there's a lot of really neat things.

[32:51] So I would say if there's anybody that do have some

[32:53] any challenges, please connect them up with me

[32:56] because we want to make sure we can help with that.

[32:58] OK, and then real quick, one quick question

[33:01] will be a little bit longer.

[33:02] And how many vehicles in the micro transit?

[33:04] We have 12.

[33:06] That's one of the unique things is that we use the same fleet

[33:09] from micro transit that we do with our paratransit.

[33:12] and so that's really given us the benefit to keep those numbers down.

[33:16] Okay, I think one of the confusing pieces for some people is the zones.

[33:21] You might book your right, but you're not in the zone.

[33:23] So you have to then walk to the zone area to take up, right?

[33:27] Correct.

[33:28] And so that can be challenging.

[33:29] And when we first did this, that was one of our discussions.

[33:32] We didn't want to just have this huge open area.

[33:35] And then all of a sudden have all this demand for these rides.

[33:39] And then how do we pay for it?

[33:41] How do we be able to manage that?

[33:43] And so we were very cautious

[33:45] and we've been expanding as time goes on to make sure

[33:48] that I mean, I think the goal is to stay within

[33:51] everybody's budgets and without an increase

[33:54] and we've really tried to focus on that

[33:56] if not reduce the local shares.

[34:01] And so there's a balance in how we do that.

[34:04] And I think that we can, if there's areas that need service,

[34:09] You know, we're developing areas and those types of things adding on demand is something that's very easily for us to be able to do that.

[34:17] Okay. Thank you. Thank you all the person, Hanson. Just a little more on the zones.

[34:23] So like liable street in the brew and street are a no-order, that's the right terminology.

[34:30] So even though that's outside of zone three, the blue area on the map, they can go directly there anytime.

[34:37] Is that how that works?

[34:38] Yes, they can go to any of those areas that are blue.

[34:43] Now, the reason why you see select areas is because we based all of this on where we solve

[34:50] ridership being utilized.

[34:52] Instead of saying, okay, we're going to cover the whole city of DPR because then all of a sudden

[34:56] there's, that's going to be an increase in numbers, and I can tell you 12 vehicles would

[35:00] not meet our demand.

[35:01] So we really, when we first implemented this mode of transit, we wanted to make sure that we were

[35:07] servicing those that we're already using transit and where we saw people utilizing it.

[35:13] That's where all this is all data driven.

[35:15] This is all where we saw people utilizing services.

[35:18] So our goal to start with was not to expand.

[35:21] It was really to make sure that we were meeting the current needs and we could go forward

[35:25] from there.

[35:27] So again, we picked up and dropped off anywhere in the zones or in any of those nodes.

[35:30] Correct.

[35:31] And typically what ends up happening is it will shoot you to a corner.

[35:35] And the reason is, is because we run on time, right?

[35:38] We don't want to have drivers driving up and down the street trying to look for a certain address.

[35:42] So if you live in the middle of the block, it's going to shoot you to the corner to tell

[35:45] you to get picked up there.

[35:47] Again, for individuals that have disabilities, we can arrange that to make sure that

[35:51] that's dota dora for you.

[35:53] And then we talked about this in January at a constituent part of this park.

[35:57] He lives 1.7 miles from the high school, so he doesn't qualify for the bus thing.

[36:02] I just wanted to if you can talk a little bit more about kind of the reasoning behind

[36:04] Not bringing people to the schools. I know it's probably too much demand and then also he was requesting right now

[36:11] The zone two ends on Webster

[36:13] He would like to see that push for other east to live will street because then you could still get dropped off there and walk to the schools

[36:19] Is that something that can be considered or so that is on our list?

[36:23] We actually we do get quite a few requests and I will tell you that we have a we have a committee that looks at these on a regular basis

[36:31] There's some behind the scenes stuff that has to happen for us from

[36:34] a software perspective. I always think it can happen in five minutes, but they do tell me it

[36:38] takes a little bit more than that. So we do have a few items on the list, and I can double

[36:44] check, but I'm almost positive that one is on that list for that to happen in our next score

[36:48] around. We don't want to constantly be changing this once a month or something like that. So we

[36:52] really try to focus on maybe two or three times a year is what we're going to try to be doing,

[36:57] but I'm almost positive, and I can respond back to you to make sure that I do think that one is on

[37:00] at least. Back to the school, we do not want to flood the service with providing students

[37:07] to school. I mean, typically, that's where your school bus comes in because I will tell

[37:11] you that if we started servicing school, I mean, we would not be able to meet the demand

[37:16] and provide any other service at that time, because kids are going to want to take that

[37:20] on-demand service there. And typically, at those times, I will tell you, like the CPE

[37:25] center is, you know, we have a time period from about 730 to 9, that is just probably all

[37:30] of our vehicles are tied up there.

[37:32] You know, so we really want to be cautious of that and we're not, we don't want to replace

[37:37] or take the spot of a school bus service in any means, but we definitely want to make sure

[37:44] we're meeting the other demands.

[37:46] And one more quick, since we don't have any more fixed routes, I'm just wondering why we still

[37:49] have some of those bus stop signs in the city.

[37:55] If you do, please let me know and I will have them remove.

[37:58] They probably were just missed when they were removed because they all should have been removed.

[38:03] A couple of shelter still remain because that is where people will utilize yet for the on-demand service,

[38:09] but if there are the signs themselves should be removed.

[38:12] So if you do see them let me know when I can send our crew.

[38:15] Okay, thanks.

[38:16] All good.

[38:17] Other questions are coming.

[38:18] All the person live enough.

[38:19] Can you remind me how do people have to have a smartphone

[38:22] to book a ride. They do not. You can't call. So it is all completely

[38:28] 88 accessible. Our paratransit service individuals always had to call to

[38:32] schedule paratransit for the disabled. That's a requirement for us from the federal

[38:36] transit administration. So a phone option is always an option even for individuals

[38:41] if they get on the bus. Because the way our services design, you really kind of

[38:45] in order to cover all of the communities. You're really being, you know, you're

[38:49] utilizing microtransit and fixed out. If you get on any of the buses,

[38:52] you can, there's a phone on those buses that you can utilize to book your right as well.

[38:56] That's all free program.

[38:58] Thank you.

[38:59] Okay.

[38:59] All the person gets?

[39:01] I have a couple of questions.

[39:03] Sure.

[39:04] Can they take the on demand any time or only when the fixed roads are not running?

[39:11] So the on demand service is limited to the zones.

[39:16] If fixed route service is operating.

[39:18] If fixed route service is not operating,

[39:20] then it is system-wide.

[39:23] And so, in the reason for that is,

[39:25] is because we operate fixed-road service,

[39:28] when we see, when the data tells us

[39:31] that there's a lot of numbers,

[39:32] and I'll give you an example,

[39:33] and I just, I use the example of Walmart on West Mason Street.

[39:37] Okay, we average about 24 people per hour on that route.

[39:40] I could never meet that demand with micro transit.

[39:43] And so, when we see heavily utilized areas,

[39:46] that's where we really focus on the fixed-road service.

[39:49] And so when we introduce this mode of transportation,

[39:52] we actually reduce all the fixed route frequency

[39:55] to 30 minute frequency.

[39:58] And that is very good frequency in our area.

[40:01] This is not Chicago.

[40:02] I'm sorry, it's not every 10 minutes,

[40:03] but 30 minutes is the best we can do.

[40:06] So that really gives that those individuals options

[40:09] at those transfer points, that buses

[40:11] are going to be there every 30 minutes,

[40:12] if you're switching from one mode to the other.

[40:15] But at night, 645 at night is where we saw numbers

[40:18] greatly decline. That is why 645 PM to 1130 PM, it's system wide. And then on Saturdays again,

[40:26] 745 in the morning till 145 fixed route is utilized. So you kind of need the both depending

[40:32] where you're going, but after 145 and until 645 is all micro transit.

[40:40] Thank you. Is it easy to buy a bus pass for people? Do they have to go to the transit office?

[40:48] can they do it online? They can do it online. We have an e-fair app. They can do it in the app when they

[40:54] book their ride. And when you get on the on-demand vehicle, you can purchase as well. So you can do cash,

[40:59] you can do credit card, you can set up an account.

[41:03] Do you try to organize the on-demand routes like

[41:06] sometimes Uber says we're not going to be there in 10 minutes. We're going to be there in 15 because we're

[41:13] It's all, it is a shared right service, and so it is all done by software, so we actually,

[41:21] the company that we contract right now is via, they are a national company, this is what they specialize in,

[41:27] so that it all ties in, and so that's why I say when somebody books a trip sometimes, you know,

[41:33] I've been at places where I book a trip and it'll say 23 minutes and I'd be like, I don't want to wait that long,

[41:37] and I come out of it and go right back in and then I'll have a three minute option and so it

[41:42] just truly depends and you can see those vehicles right on there and so you can pick your

[41:47] options so. Do you help people download the ass if they don't know how can they call in and get

[41:55] help? They can if they can come to transit or Andrea is happy to go out and meet and she will help

[42:01] people download it she will help you set it up she can get your favorite trips put right in there

[42:05] So it's all said and then usually through that process a lot of times is where, you know,

[42:11] we can make those decisions if we see there's some extra help that is needed for the

[42:14] writer that we can kind of put some parameters in there to make that booking option easier

[42:18] for them as well.

[42:20] Thank you.

[42:21] And last question, do you go to the airport?

[42:24] We do.

[42:25] We do.

[42:26] And the cost.

[42:28] So if you are utilizing the on-demand service, it's two dollars one way.

[42:35] Currently to the end of the year, there is a reduced fair 30 day pass, which is unlimited for fixed route or on-demand service, and that passes typically $29, there's been a $20 reduction, so yes it is $9 for 30 days for the remainder of the year, and that's due to some additional funding that came in.

[42:52] For adults, the typical adult 30 day passes is $39, and that is now 19 for the remainder of the year. So I would say stack up on your passes before anywhere you want.

[43:02] Thank you.

[43:03] You're very welcome.

[43:04] All the first encounter.

[43:05] You offer services on Sunday.

[43:07] Currently, no.

[43:08] And I will tell you, in my time we never have.

[43:11] And so that's probably one of the most requested thing that comes up when we do surveys

[43:15] is Sunday service.

[43:17] I will tell you that what traditionally fixed route is what we have for options until we

[43:23] introduce this mode of transit.

[43:25] This is something that we are currently working on our five-year TDP at this point, our transit

[43:29] development plan.

[43:30] that has come up quite a bit.

[43:33] I think this additional mode of transportation

[43:35] definitely opens the door for us to consider

[43:38] because we can really control the time, right?

[43:40] If we want to try it from eight to one and see how it goes,

[43:44] I've been very open from the get go of this.

[43:47] A baby stepping things because we don't want to,

[43:50] all of a sudden, I don't think Larry would appreciate

[43:52] if I call them up until them has bill doubled.

[43:55] And any means, so, right?

[43:58] Or is that good?

[44:00] Oh, they would, of course.

[44:03] So we've really been cautious on that so we can control.

[44:06] Because I think we all know, right?

[44:07] Once we put something out, it's very difficult

[44:09] to take things back.

[44:10] And so we really want to make sure we're living within the means

[44:13] and all of those things.

[44:15] So I think it's very realistic for that to be in the, in the near future.

[44:20] And the reason I ask is because

[44:22] these people that needed a ride during the week to go to work

[44:25] still a lot of places are open on Sunday.

[44:27] you know, I mean that they need to get the work. And that's why I'm asking. Thank you.

[44:31] Yes, absolutely. And I would tell you traditionally with fixed road service pre-pandemic,

[44:35] it would typically cost about $150,000 per hour to add fixed road service, which is why

[44:40] it never ran on Saturdays. Or I'm sorry, on Sundays, in very limited on Saturdays with the

[44:46] on-demand service. I mean, it is tremendously less than that. So it really gives us the ability

[44:51] to look at those things. Thank you. All their person rash follow up. You get one. Yeah, just just fun.

[44:58] It'll be a quick comment.

[45:00] Do you ever consolidate writers on the microtransit? So in other words, you've got two people pick up the same

[45:05] no-it or same location, going in a general same direction. Does that ever happen?

[45:09] So we do it. It is a shared-vited service. And so can have up to six individuals

[45:14] is what we have it kept that. We have not had issues with that. I will tell you, our goal is

[45:19] really to be, we want to be able to average all day long three at a time. That's really our goal.

[45:25] just from a cost perspective, but it can be shared right.

[45:29] It just really depends, and I will tell you,

[45:30] those that utilize public transportation

[45:32] tend to learn this, like the back of their hand.

[45:35] They know when it's the busy time, when it is not,

[45:37] and how to maneuver things around, and so it's been great.

[45:42] You know, I know it's been a learning curve for some folks,

[45:45] and a huge learning curve for the residents of the city of DPR.

[45:49] And so we have focused a lot on radio and advertising,

[45:53] in all different things in this area specifically because of that because I do know that's the

[45:59] image right is there's no bus so people are like okay there's no bus service and there is

[46:02] it's just it's different and so changes always a challenge sometimes.

[46:09] Thank you other questions and I'm assuming we're not going to touch on the sign reserves for any extra

[46:13] cost, correct?

[46:15] I'd like to date.

[46:16] Not to date.

[46:17] Not to date.

[46:18] Okay.

[46:19] Any $1,000.

[46:21] 81,000.

[46:22] 81,000.

[46:23] I will say that I got an email to their phone call from a resident, which I get periodically,

[46:28] or everything.

[46:28] And then regarding the transit system, and I just forward it to Patty, and then they handle it.

[46:31] So she does a great job with that.

[46:32] I already responded to that.

[46:33] I actually wanted, I think the question was kind of similar to something that you all have been talking about.

[46:37] Yeah.

[46:37] Patty will say, you don't hesitate to reach out to hers.

[46:39] Yes.

[46:40] Absolutely.

[46:40] And I will tell you the biggest thing is that when you look at these zones and you see

[46:45] that line where it ends, if somebody's on the opposite side of the road, it's going to

[46:49] tell them they're out of zone.

[46:51] So then people kind of freak out and they're like, oh my gosh, I have no service.

[46:54] And it's like, so we really do try to make sure we're covering both sides of those, but this

[46:58] is technology, right?

[47:00] So sometimes we've got to tweak things a little bit, but sometimes, especially in the beginning

[47:04] because maybe one side of whatster was in and that the other and if they were standing a

[47:07] little bit off and they were booking because it uses your GPS.

[47:10] It'd be like you're out of the zone because you truly were.

[47:13] So we had a lot of that tweaking to do as we went through it.

[47:16] So some of those things are very easy for you too.

[47:18] So you're very responsible, so I appreciate that.

[47:20] Absolutely.

[47:21] Any other questions or comments?

[47:23] Again, I'll be half of all of us.

[47:24] Thank you very much.

[47:25] So thank you, Patty.

[47:26] Perfect.

[47:26] I'll leave some of this information and so if there's anything I can do, let me know.

[47:29] Thank you.

[47:29] Okay.

[47:32] All right.

[47:33] Up next.

[47:34] Item nine.

[47:35] Presentation by staff GIS analyst, Kristen Vincent.

[47:38] on Leadership Green Bay Orchard Project.

[47:41] It's all yours.

[47:52] All right.

[47:53] Thank you.

[47:54] Hi everyone.

[47:55] I'm excited to be here.

[47:56] Again, my name is Kristen.

[47:58] I'm a GIS analyst with the city.

[48:00] I recently completed a nine-month professional development program called Leadership Green Bay.

[48:06] And when I was talking with Larry about the program, he thought this would be a good opportunity to come and share with y'all information about Leadership Green Bay.

[48:14] What I learned and what I accomplished.

[48:16] So, I was spent about 10 or so minutes talking about the program for those that are unfamiliar with it.

[48:23] Talking about the small group project portion of Leadership Green Bay, and then towards the end,

[48:28] I will circle back to Depir and talk about potential impacts for this community.

[48:35] So, Leadership Green Bay is a program of the Greater Green Bay Chamber.

[48:39] It was started in 1985.

[48:41] My class was the 39 class.

[48:44] We are all pictured there at one of our session days.

[48:47] They were about 40 or so in the class this year.

[48:51] It was one of the largest classes.

[48:53] The program consists of monthly session days,

[48:57] which involved speakers coming in or even us going out

[49:01] into the community and learning about different aspects,

[49:06] different pros and cons in the community.

[49:08] Session days had different themes,

[49:10] whether it was government day, economic development day,

[49:13] Human Services Day, things like that, we meet once a month, and focus on a different theme,

[49:19] and just have this greater awareness for things that are good and bad that are going on in our community.

[49:26] And in overarching aspect of the program is what I call a small group community service project.

[49:33] So we were divided into smaller teams. This is my team here.

[49:38] And we were tasked with identifying something in the community.

[49:43] We thought that we could help improve.

[49:45] And we were in charge of identifying a project, fundraising,

[49:50] and implementing the project and seeing it through to completion.

[49:54] So as you can see there from all of our job titles and our employers,

[50:00] we have a lot of different skill sets.

[50:01] We come from various backgrounds, so it was really fun working with my team

[50:05] and learning about them and working on really exciting project with them.

[50:11] So, before I dive more into our small group project,

[50:15] I just wanted to take a few minutes and talk about the takeaways that I had

[50:18] from the different session days.

[50:21] And I think one of the biggest things I learned was just this general awareness

[50:26] of everything that's happening in the community.

[50:29] And a lot of that was because of the hands-on learning from going to places.

[50:34] So those pictures there are from different different events that we attended and just going

[50:40] into some of these different spaces, the Wanda Style Town Tech, or at Green Bay City Hall.

[50:47] And it wasn't just in Green Bay, we visited places all over Brown County, so just as general

[50:52] awareness of what's going on in the community and not necessarily the bad, but also the

[50:57] good and what other people are doing to help the community.

[51:02] Another main takeaway from the program to me was what we called our community giving

[51:08] days.

[51:09] So this was just had a really big impact on me because I realized that by doing something

[51:15] so small you could have a really big impact.

[51:18] So what I mean by that is for our community giving days every month a different team was

[51:24] tasked with identifying an organization that they wanted to donate to, whether it was books

[51:29] or canned food items. And our class was then tasked with bringing in items, whatever we were

[51:35] comfortable with, whatever we were able to bring in. And then that team was then donate those

[51:41] items to that organization of their choosing. And it was fun every session day to watch as

[51:46] people were coming in for the day, the pile of items would start to grow. And it was just really

[51:52] really interesting and really neat to see just how something so small could turn into something

[51:57] so big and you can actually see the positive impacts

[52:01] that we are having on the community.

[52:04] So now I will turn to focusing more on our small group project.

[52:09] So, I like I mentioned earlier

[52:11] that the picture that I showed with the nine people

[52:15] that was my team five, my team.

[52:17] When we first met, we're trying to decide

[52:21] what our common interests were.

[52:22] We're trying to find a common ground.

[52:24] We didn't know each other,

[52:25] so we are still trying to, you know, just break the ice and networking, but we learn that

[52:32] we are all interested in sustainability and the environment.

[52:35] And we thought that that would be a really good angle to go for our small group project as

[52:40] part of the larger leadership Green Bay program.

[52:43] And through leadership Green Bay, we learned of an organization called New Leaf Foods.

[52:47] And we learned about their urban food force initiatives and their mission to

[52:54] a mission for food security.

[52:57] And once we learned about them and got to talking with their team, we realized that they

[53:01] would be a really good, I guess, nonprofit partner, you could say, or our group project.

[53:07] And we wanted to help them, we wanted to help advance their mission.

[53:10] And then it was also something that was, that was really personal to us, given our common interests.

[53:16] So, we work with them and decided that an urban orchard would be a really good group project.

[53:22] Something that was really important, something that was feasible, something that we could tackle,

[53:28] and also something that was new to all of us, but yet fit within our goals.

[53:33] So, one aspect of leadership Green Bay is that our project beneficiary could not be related to our employer,

[53:40] so we had to find a neutral party and that ended up being the Green Bay Area Public School District.

[53:45] We worked with their team and they helped us identify school, Chapel Elementary School that would be a good recipient of an orchard.

[53:58] And thinking about the space that they have and talking with their administration, we decided that six fruit trees would be an ideal project scope as well as various other pollinator plants.

[54:14] So we had this plan in place, we decided on a number of trees, but then and we had a place as well a place in mind what we needed the funds for it.

[54:26] So that was, this was a really interesting angle of leadership agreement that I, and a different skill set that I wasn't expecting to gain was the idea of fundraising and grant writing and budgeting and I did not have many skills in that going into it or especially at this scale.

[54:42] So that was really interesting process.

[54:45] I know I have the word challenges on the screen,

[54:47] but really it's more of the learning curve.

[54:50] And learning, so we have newly foods

[54:52] as our nonprofit partner, and then we have the school district

[54:57] who will be the beneficiary, and then we have our donors.

[55:00] So it's just connecting the dots of the pieces,

[55:02] making sure you have the right paperwork, the right forms,

[55:04] to get from donor to the beneficiary.

[55:09] And our group was very fortunate

[55:10] and that our donors all came from employers of my team members.

[55:17] So there were a few employers on our team that had either donated two leadership

[55:23] green bay in the past or they had grant windows that were open and the time

[55:26] we needed it to be open and we were very fortunate that they were very

[55:31] generous and we were able to source almost all of our donations through them.

[55:36] and we had, so then we had very, very positive outcomes with our fundraising.

[55:42] So, like I mentioned, Chapel Elementary School was a recipient of our orchard, and it was really

[55:47] great working with their team, and also working with the new leaf team, figurine, deciding where to

[55:54] source the trees, how to get them shipped to the school, and the school district helped

[56:01] receive the, receive the shipment, and water the trees until it was planting day.

[56:07] And the pictures below you can see it was, it was a very successful day, like his first grade class got to help with the planting.

[56:14] They had their little shovels and the parents were invited to come and have a picnic lunch with the students,

[56:22] and they had the school set up other different activities related to planting.

[56:26] So it was really rewarding to be a part of that and to see that and to see how excited they were and help them be hands on in this process.

[56:36] And I'm not sure if you can tell or not in those pictures, but the trees are a little bit larger than you might expect for starting in orchard.

[56:44] And that was intentional. So one of the requests was that we purchased more mature fruit trees that might produce fruit within a year or two.

[56:53] And that was so, it hopes that many of the students will still be at Chapel and will be able to see the tree actually produce fruit and then be able to understand the life cycle and the process from being planting to producing this fruit.

[57:10] And I like I mentioned earlier, we had very successful outcomes to our fundraising.

[57:14] So a few days later, we actually planted a second orchard.

[57:18] This is that redsmith also in the Green Bay School District,

[57:22] and we learned pretty early on that we might have funds to do a second orchard,

[57:29] so we were able to cut down on shipping costs by having redsmith

[57:33] and chapel trees all delivered at the same time.

[57:36] And again, the school district was really great

[57:38] and helping us take care of the trees over the weekend

[57:42] and making sure they were watered and taking care of until the planting day happened.

[57:48] And this then was with the middle schoolers.

[57:49] They were helping us plant the trees there and it was really fun, the principal grabbed

[57:55] a shovel and he was digging right along with us and at both schools the principal's administration.

[58:01] They were all very helpful and very excited and very appreciative.

[58:06] So it was super, super rewarding experience.

[58:10] And our project actually is continuing on.

[58:13] We do have funds to plan two to three more orchards of the same scope, which is roughly six

[58:19] fruit trees.

[58:20] So big thank you again to our donors.

[58:22] Our group plans to pick up talks again in August for identifying sites and identifying a timeline.

[58:31] We'd like to either plan later this fall, if possible, or into next spring, it all depends

[58:36] on the beneficiary, what works best for them, if it's a school, they'd like to have the

[58:40] students involved, and also what's best for the trees and what we're able to source

[58:47] at the different times of year.

[58:50] So now as I start to wrap up, I want to take a few minutes

[58:54] and talk about potential to peer impacts. So first from a personal level, a big thank you

[59:00] to Mayor, Larry, and all of you for supporting such professional development opportunities as these,

[59:06] I gained so many more skills than I ever imagined.

[59:10] I know I had certain goals going into the program and I obtain those goals and then some.

[59:17] And it was also great using my resources and connections that I have here.

[59:20] The city I know that I contacted multiple city staff members asking them for their advice.

[59:26] How do you do that? How do you do that to have opinions on advice on this?

[59:30] And it was really great being able to take that advice and transfer it over to my team.

[59:35] and vice versa, then learning from their employers and their experiences and how to help us.

[59:41] And also through the program, I learned about multiple classmates who live in work

[59:44] into peers, so it was really great talking to them, learning their connections and their experiences

[59:50] in the city. So one little side note is that one of my teammates actually works right across the bridge

[59:57] and we didn't know that we worked so close to each other.

[1:00:00] All there were like, oh, we could have carpooled through so many of these different events. So just having those connections and those experiences is really great.

[1:00:06] But then thinking of more bigger picture of this idea of shared knowledge. So I know that the city does have an urban orchard team.

[1:00:14] I know that my team would be more than happy to share our experiences with them or learn from that team's experiences as well.

[1:00:23] And, you know, just this idea of a template for others to follow and creating, taking everything that we know and maybe creating a blueprint.

[1:00:32] I know that in our talks with newly foods that that was one idea of creating this template,

[1:00:39] or this, or document for other organizations and other people to follow if they do want to do a similar project,

[1:00:46] I'm to help that run smoothly. And I think that could have a positive impact on the community.

[1:00:51] So with that, my team would like to give a big thank you to the Green Bay Chamber and Leadership

[1:00:56] Green Bay for having us in this program as well as newly foods for allowing us to work with

[1:01:02] them and to help them advance their mission as well as helping us with our project and the Green

[1:01:08] Bay School District for being a beneficiary of our orchard so far.

[1:01:12] And then also for me a big thank you to the City of Dupier for letting me be a part of this

[1:01:17] opportunities, professional development, opportunity.

[1:01:20] So with that, thank you, and I will take any questions.

[1:01:24] Any questions, anybody?

[1:01:26] All my personal rash.

[1:01:27] I think one of the, it's a good program, right?

[1:01:30] I think one of the great things about it is that you also

[1:01:32] join a network of other people that have graduated from the class

[1:01:35] that you can tap into, for example, Colleen, Matthews

[1:01:39] on your group, I know her from other networking stuff.

[1:01:43] But I don't know how many other people

[1:01:44] are graduates of Leadership Green Bay in the class besides myself.

[1:01:46] I thought, yeah, I thought, Shane, we were Dan, so what year were you?

[1:01:52] Like 2015, I think?

[1:01:53] Yeah, I was a couple of years ahead of 2013, so you'll start to bump into people in time

[1:01:57] that have all gone through the program.

[1:01:59] There's a lot of good stuff that came out of it.

[1:02:01] I learned and met Mary Jane through actually leadership.

[1:02:04] We all got to know her through history, right?

[1:02:06] Oh, I thought that was a very fast 1966 thing.

[1:02:09] There's a very Jane.

[1:02:12] Yeah, anyway, so I you know, I appreciate the presentation. I think you guys did a great job

[1:02:19] Nice project, but welcome to the alumni. Thank you

[1:02:24] Thank you other questions or comments

[1:02:26] And all this is something that Larry champions for y'all to do this so it's very beneficial and I think it sounds like you really enjoyed it

[1:02:32] And I appreciate you presenting this. Thank you Kristen. Thank you

[1:02:36] And one all good. Thank you very much. I think Dan's got a question. Oh damn I had one as Christians department head and

[1:02:42] and the GIS division being under the Development Services Department, Bill Boyle and I would

[1:02:47] like to send a thank you to the Council for allowing Chris and to go through this process.

[1:02:52] We witnessed her growth in a that ten-month timeframe, leave some balance to what we expected.

[1:02:58] And so just watching here here today, kind of present, where she may have been a year ago,

[1:03:02] I can tell you it was leave some balance, she was much more confident in the public speaking realm.

[1:03:06] But just again, making the connections out going out going through that that process,

[1:03:10] We've watched your sort of Leafs and Ballons grow and even in the project management side of it

[1:03:14] If you're taking that step as well, so thank you to the council for allowing our staff to grow into their

[1:03:20] roles. I think this is the point where you asked for a raise

[1:03:25] Very high very high

[1:03:26] Very high phrase. Thank you, Dan. Thank you again, Kristen

[1:03:41] item 10. Recommendation from Plan Commission to approve an

[1:03:44] Exeteratorial 3-Lot Certified Survey Map at 1700 Williams Grant Drive

[1:03:49] and Lawrence, parcel L169.

[1:03:54] Oh, make a motion to approve.

[1:03:55] I'll second. Motion, I'll the person rash.

[1:03:58] Second, I'll the person quickly, any comments or discussion?

[1:04:02] Seeing there is none, all those in favor, say aye.

[1:04:06] All right, aye.

[1:04:06] Opposed? Motion carries, thank you.

[1:04:09] Item 11, recommendation from Historic Preservation Commission to approve $3,000 a dollar proposal

[1:04:16] from Jones sign for the design and printing of 55 individual historic district signs to be installed

[1:04:22] by property owners in and near the Manchin Street World War II defense homes Historic District

[1:04:28] and Davis Wood Ranch Homes Historic District.

[1:04:32] Wood Deproof.

[1:04:33] Oh, second.

[1:04:33] Motion mail to person Hanson, second mail to person GANS, any discussion or comments?

[1:04:38] All the person Hanson.

[1:04:39] All the person led Vanessa House is in one of these districts and just wanted to be noted that we had to reject her request to have the plaques say

[1:04:47] Shayna led Vanessa House because we have to use the historic name. Sorry, I was joking

[1:04:56] Very fun for that. I won't be voting for this

[1:05:01] You're abstaining

[1:05:04] No conflict of interest

[1:05:06] Can we get an attorney if you want that

[1:05:09] You got your advice, you're okay. Other comments and other questions? Were you done?

[1:05:15] Yeah. All right, that's said. We have a roll call vote.

[1:05:20] All the person carpenter.

[1:05:21] All right. Gantz.

[1:05:22] I. Hansen.

[1:05:23] I.

[1:05:23] Conninger.

[1:05:24] I. Ledverna. I.

[1:05:26] P. Rock.

[1:05:26] I.

[1:05:27] Whiggly.

[1:05:27] I.

[1:05:33] Motion carries.

[1:05:34] Thank you.

[1:05:34] Item 12.

[1:05:35] Recommendation from the Board of Park Commissioners.

[1:05:37] to accept a 2,500-dollar donation from Greta Johnson

[1:05:41] to recreation scholarship fund.

[1:05:44] Moved to approve?

[1:05:44] I'll second.

[1:05:45] Motion Malibu person, Lebanon.

[1:05:47] Second Malibu person, Conagre, any discussion or comments?

[1:05:52] Seeing there is none.

[1:05:53] All those in favor say aye.

[1:05:55] All right.

[1:05:56] Opposed?

[1:05:57] Motion carries.

[1:05:58] Thank you.

[1:06:00] Item 13, recommendation from Board of Part Commissioners

[1:06:02] to accept a 1,000-dollar donation from D.P. Rotary

[1:06:05] for the summer carnival.

[1:06:07] I'm not sure for you.

[1:06:09] Second.

[1:06:09] Most milder person,

[1:06:10] second of all the person,

[1:06:12] rash,

[1:06:12] any discussion or comments.

[1:06:16] Seeing there is none,

[1:06:16] all those in favor,

[1:06:18] say aye.

[1:06:19] Opposed?

[1:06:20] Motion carries,

[1:06:21] thank you.

[1:06:22] Item 14.

[1:06:24] Recommendation from the

[1:06:25] Finance and Personnel Committee

[1:06:26] to accept donations to

[1:06:28] fund therapy dog program

[1:06:30] for the fire department.

[1:06:33] Motion milder person,

[1:06:34] second of all the person,

[1:06:36] really close you to. Any questions or comments?

[1:06:40] Other person rash?

[1:06:41] Yeah, I'm really struggling to accept this donation without actually getting a chance to meet the dog.

[1:06:48] Well, I tell you to meet Stanley.

[1:06:51] We are.

[1:06:52] We are.

[1:07:03] We are.

[1:07:05] We saw Stan Lee today in the office, we'll see him.

[1:07:08] Quite often.

[1:07:09] He's always about.

[1:07:11] We'll find.

[1:07:12] He says it's a beer garden.

[1:07:14] Any questions for Chief that you have?

[1:07:16] I just wanted to see the dog.

[1:07:18] I haven't had a chance.

[1:07:19] The schedule's just too tight during the day.

[1:07:21] Chief, would you like to say something then?

[1:07:23] If you'd like to introduce?

[1:07:24] Yeah, I would like to introduce Stan Lee.

[1:07:25] Most of him should get before we kick off the program.

[1:07:28] Tammy and her team, set a goal of $10,000 to raise the fundraising, they far exceeded that goal.

[1:07:33] At this point, she'd like to just turn over the funds and it is part of this.

[1:07:36] I'm asking to have this just established and a regular call.

[1:07:40] So as the bills come in for family, we just sort of pay them out of that account.

[1:07:43] It's been amazing.

[1:07:44] He's done some great work on our staff.

[1:07:46] It's a great work throughout the entire city.

[1:07:48] We try to make at least a couple trips around all city city departments.

[1:07:52] At least once a week, and here we per twice.

[1:07:54] So he's spreading lots of goodwill.

[1:07:56] And he's doing a real good job.

[1:07:57] a lot of training, but it's so far so good.

[1:08:01] Thank you.

[1:08:02] Questions?

[1:08:03] Other person, Hanson.

[1:08:04] So this is going to be very similar to the K9 Fund

[1:08:06] where it's just set aside specifically

[1:08:08] for ongoing.

[1:08:09] It's Hanson.

[1:08:10] Yes, yes.

[1:08:11] I think it's Matthew clothes.

[1:08:12] Do you know how long it is?

[1:08:14] Oh, I don't know how long it is.

[1:08:16] I'll don't need to that.

[1:08:19] Now we've got to pick the dogs off at first

[1:08:21] and then Al has to match that.

[1:08:23] I will follow through.

[1:08:25] Other questions or comments, Tammy, thank you very much.

[1:08:27] By the way, this is extremely generous.

[1:08:28] You did a great job.

[1:08:30] All the person can't.

[1:08:30] I just want to tell you, thank you for getting all the fun together.

[1:08:35] You did a great job, so thank you very much, I

[1:08:50] thank you.

[1:08:51] And I still want them when you go on.

[1:08:55] Thank you.

[1:08:56] Thank you.

[1:08:56] Other questions or comments?

[1:09:00] Seeing there is none, all those in favor say aye.

[1:09:04] Aye.

[1:09:05] Opposed?

[1:09:06] Motion carries.

[1:09:07] Thank you.

[1:09:07] It's official.

[1:09:08] No, Tammy.

[1:09:08] Congratulations, thank you very much.

[1:09:10] Thanks Chief.

[1:09:14] Next item, item 15.

[1:09:16] Recommendation from Finance Personnel Committee to approve the 2024 non-benefit eligible employees wage schedule.

[1:09:25] Move dear proof.

[1:09:26] I'll second.

[1:09:27] Motion by all the person hands and second by all the person quickly.

[1:09:30] Discussion or comments.

[1:09:34] All the person rash.

[1:09:35] Just real quick.

[1:09:36] How's the recruiting going forward?

[1:09:38] Is some of these positions.

[1:09:39] I mean, we're in such a tight labor market.

[1:09:41] So, Tracy, you're going to handle that one?

[1:09:43] I'm going to handle that one, yeah.

[1:09:45] So, I mean, it's going to depend on which position you're looking at, you know, some

[1:09:49] of them are going to be very special to positions, so they're going to be a little bit harder

[1:09:52] to recruit for just because there are fewer employees out there.

[1:09:56] When we went ahead and did the survey, we were kind of looking at what others were paying for

[1:10:00] these type of positions.

[1:10:00] So, the ones that we're recommending, increasing were the ones that we were kind of lagging behind

[1:10:04] on.

[1:10:05] So, we're not really seeing too many issues right now, anyway, and we're done okay.

[1:10:09] We're okay.

[1:10:10] Yep.

[1:10:11] Thank you.

[1:10:12] Thank you.

[1:10:13] Other questions or comments?

[1:10:16] Don't see any.

[1:10:17] That said.

[1:10:18] Roll call vote, please.

[1:10:19] Hold up person, GANS.

[1:10:21] Hansen?

[1:10:22] Aye.

[1:10:22] Thundergur?

[1:10:23] Aye.

[1:10:23] Leadman?

[1:10:24] Aye.

[1:10:24] Perpander?

[1:10:25] Aye.

[1:10:30] Motion carries.

[1:10:30] Thank you.

[1:10:31] Item 16.

[1:10:32] Recommendation from Finance Personnel Committee on Police requests to maintain a credit card for travel and training purposes with a credit line of

[1:10:41] $2,500.

[1:10:43] I'm off to your proof.

[1:10:45] Oh, second.

[1:10:45] Most of my other person can.

[1:10:46] Second of my other person can.

[1:10:48] I need to discuss in your comments.

[1:10:51] Seeing there is none.

[1:10:52] Roll call vote, please.

[1:10:53] All the person handsome.

[1:10:55] Can I go?

[1:10:55] Hi.

[1:10:56] Lead the note.

[1:10:57] I.

[1:10:57] P. Rock.

[1:10:58] I.

[1:10:58] Wigley.

[1:10:59] I.

[1:10:59] Rash.

[1:11:00] Carpenter.

[1:11:01] I.

[1:11:02] Gants.

[1:11:03] Motion carries.

[1:11:03] Thank you.

[1:11:04] Item 17 recommendation from the finance personnel committee.

[1:11:08] On acceptance of $18,500 donation from the cloud family

[1:11:12] foundation to police for use with the K9 unit moved to approve everyone wants that one

[1:11:19] Yeah, milder person rash second of milder person

[1:11:23] Amy all the person kind of girl questions are comments

[1:11:28] Again, big thank you to the cloud foundation in a conversation. We had they this is something that they thought very highly of so it's outstanding

[1:11:35] That said it's this real calling regular

[1:11:38] That said, I'm sorry, that's that all those and it's been a long meeting that's still not done yet

[1:11:45] All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed

[1:11:49] Motion carries. Thank you. 16 more edibles. Item 18

[1:11:55] Recommendation from the finance personnel committee on acceptance of 1,500 dollar donation from Walmart for the police bike safety program

[1:12:05] Motion my other person lead me now

[1:12:07] I'll go to other person gates on this one.

[1:12:10] Questions or comments that we have?

[1:12:13] Seeing there is not all those in favor, say aye.

[1:12:16] Aye.

[1:12:18] Opposed?

[1:12:19] Motion carries, thank you.

[1:12:20] Item 19, recommendation from the License Committee

[1:12:23] on renewal applications for the Licensing Period

[1:12:26] from July 1st, 2023 to June 30, 2024.

[1:12:30] First up, item A, Class A,

[1:12:33] fermented malt beverage liquor licenses.

[1:12:34] Make a motion to prove that little an applicant.

[1:12:36] Second, motion milder person carpenter, seconded by other person p-rock, any discussion or comments.

[1:12:45] Seeing there is none, all those in favor, say aye.

[1:12:49] Opposed?

[1:12:50] Motion carries, thank you.

[1:12:51] Up next, Class A, fermented mull beverage, and Class A intoxicating liquor licenses.

[1:12:56] Egg motion approved, the lone applicant.

[1:12:59] Second.

[1:12:59] Motion milder person carpenter, second about a person dance, any discussion or comments.

[1:13:04] Seeing there is none, all those in favor, say aye.

[1:13:09] Opposed?

[1:13:10] Motion carries.

[1:13:11] Thank you.

[1:13:11] Item C, class B, fermented, milk, beverage licenses.

[1:13:15] Make a motion to prove they're the one applicant.

[1:13:18] Motion, milder person, carpenter.

[1:13:20] Second, milder person, P-rock.

[1:13:21] Any discussion or comments?

[1:13:24] Seeing there is none, all those in favor, say aye.

[1:13:27] Aye.

[1:13:28] Opposed?

[1:13:29] Motion carries.

[1:13:30] Thank you.

[1:13:31] I believe that covers all of them.

[1:13:32] Item 20, Ordinance 23, 0-8, repealing and re-enacting section 6-11 of the

[1:13:39] Defearing Municipal Code regarding telephonic video conference meeting

[1:13:43] attendance, this is the second reading.

[1:13:46] Make a motion approval.

[1:13:47] A second.

[1:13:47] Motion amount of the person, Carfender, second of all the person, Conagur, any discussion

[1:13:51] or comments on the person, Rash?

[1:13:54] Yeah.

[1:13:55] As I stated last time, I think that I understand what the attempt is that we're doing here

[1:14:00] and I'm hoping that we don't have to use this regular continuous basis but I think it's

[1:14:06] important that as elected officials that were present in person for these meetings, so for

[1:14:12] that reason what this change I won't support it. I'll be voting nay. Thank you other questions

[1:14:18] or comments.

[1:14:21] Seeing there is none. All those in favor say aye. Aye aye. Opposed? Aye. Motion carries

[1:14:26] with other person rash voting nay.

[1:14:29] Item 21, resolution 2365, any initial resolution

[1:14:34] authorized in the sale and issuance of taxable general

[1:14:37] obligation, promissory notes, and certain related details.

[1:14:42] Make the motion to approve.

[1:14:43] Oh, second.

[1:14:44] Motion, milder person rash, second, milder person,

[1:14:46] ledmenna, any discussion or comments.

[1:14:51] Seem there is none.

[1:14:52] Rho call vote, please.

[1:14:53] Alter person, congregor?

[1:14:55] Ledmenna?

[1:14:56] P-rock?

[1:14:57] Aye.

[1:14:57] Quickly.

[1:14:58] I crash.

[1:14:59] Hi.

[1:15:00] Carpenter, aye, abstain, aye, abstain. Motion carries, thank you. Item 22, resolution 23, 66, initial resolution, authorizing the sale and issuance of general obligation, promissory notes, and certain related details.

[1:15:15] Motion to approve. Second motion. Motion by all the person Carpenter, seconded by all their person.

[1:15:21] He's pointing, he's going to give it up, lead with no.

[1:15:25] Any comments or discussion?

[1:15:28] Seeing there is none, we'll call both, please.

[1:15:31] All the person, lead with no, I, B-rock,

[1:15:33] quickly, I, brush, carpenter, dance,

[1:15:37] I, handsome, honey girl, I.

[1:15:40] Motion carries, thank you.

[1:15:41] Item 23, resolution 23, 67, approving ATM event

[1:15:46] placement agreement with cornerstone processing solutions.

[1:15:51] I make motion.

[1:15:54] Second motion, my other person gets second by all

[1:15:57] their person, P. Rock, any discussion or comments?

[1:16:02] All the person carpenter.

[1:16:03] Yes, is this going to be used at all?

[1:16:06] I've not stated in there for the beer garden.

[1:16:07] It's going to be used for like the food truck rally and

[1:16:10] different other things.

[1:16:12] Or what events is it all going to be said?

[1:16:14] Party.

[1:16:14] regard.

[1:16:17] At this time our involvement with Fox

[1:16:22] Community's Credit Union, who's it is for only the

[1:16:24] beer garden. Okay. I read that in the and I didn't know if

[1:16:28] it was for other events. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

[1:16:32] Other questions or comments?

[1:16:35] Roll cobble, please.

[1:16:37] All the person P Rock?

[1:16:38] Wiggly. I. Rash. I.

[1:16:40] Carpenter.

[1:16:42] Gants.

[1:16:43] Hansen.

[1:16:44] Honeygher.

[1:16:46] Leadman.

[1:16:47] Motion carries.

[1:16:48] Thank you.

[1:16:48] Item 24.

[1:16:49] Resolution 23.

[1:16:51] 68.

[1:16:51] Amending Section 3.

[1:16:53] 4.

[1:16:53] 6.

[1:16:53] 7.

[1:16:54] 10.

[1:16:55] Of the city of Depear.

[1:16:56] Employee Policy Manual.

[1:16:58] Move to approve.

[1:17:00] Motion.

[1:17:01] Motion.

[1:17:02] Second.

[1:17:03] Second.

[1:17:03] person quickly. Any discussion or comments?

[1:17:08] Seeing there is none, all those in favor say aye.

[1:17:11] Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Item 25, Resolution 2369, authorized

[1:17:18] an agreement between the city of Depear and McGrath, Human Resources Group, Job, Description

[1:17:24] Update.

[1:17:27] Motion, Elder Person, Conigre, Second of Elder Person, Gants. Any discussion or comments?

[1:17:32] All the person carpenter.

[1:17:34] Yes, I was wondering how we came up with the 50 documents.

[1:17:38] Do you already have projected them already?

[1:17:41] Out of all the job.

[1:17:42] These are the number of positions that we have.

[1:17:45] Different positions within the city.

[1:17:48] That's one of some of my questions.

[1:17:49] Thank you.

[1:17:50] Thank you.

[1:17:51] Other questions or comments?

[1:17:55] Seeing there is none.

[1:17:57] Roll call.

[1:17:58] All the person quickly?

[1:17:59] Aye.

[1:18:00] Rash.

[1:18:01] Carpenter.

[1:18:02] Aye.

[1:18:02] Dance, I, Hanson.

[1:18:04] Hi.

[1:18:04] Conninger.

[1:18:05] I, Ledrona.

[1:18:06] I, P. Rock.

[1:18:07] Hi.

[1:18:08] Motion carries.

[1:18:09] Thank you.

[1:18:11] Thanks, Shannon.

[1:18:13] More up to 26.

[1:18:14] Resolution 2370.

[1:18:16] Authorizing street name changes.

[1:18:18] And naming the Southern Bridge, Arthur J.

[1:18:20] Alt-Mire Bridge.

[1:18:22] Which we placed on.

[1:18:23] So then we're going to talk about Southbridge Road.

[1:18:24] Red Midbury Road in Rockland Road.

[1:18:26] Which we're going to hopefully come up with the name right now.

[1:18:28] should we vote on this altogether as one or vote for Elter J.

[1:18:32] Outmire, separate, I'll go to the city attorney in this one.

[1:18:37] Yeah, I would say, I recommend that.

[1:18:39] All right, let's just tackled in separately.

[1:18:41] So on the floor right now, we have naming of Elter J.

[1:18:45] Outmire Bridge, just for note, it is going to come on as a recommendation from us,

[1:18:49] but we feel strongly about that just someone's aware of that.

[1:18:52] So motion to approve Elter J. Outmire Bridge for the naming of the Southern Bridge.

[1:18:57] Motion by all the person who asked second by all the person handsome to name as it

[1:19:02] recommendations strongly Arthur J. Outlier Bridge. Any discussion or comments?

[1:19:08] Yeah, what's it?

[1:19:12] Okay, so for people out there why we are picking this Arthur J. Outlier. It was a former

[1:19:17] Deeper Resident who graduated from Deeper High School and I believe 1910 went on to Madison.

[1:19:23] And eventually became the architect of the Social Security, as we know it today, and Franklin

[1:19:30] Roosevelt, President Roosevelt, commented that he was known as Mr. Social Security.

[1:19:36] He became the first director of the Social Security Board, and also eventually the Social

[1:19:41] Security Administration upon his retirement in 1954, this is all by memory.

[1:19:46] And eventually, because he was so influential for Social Security, the Social Security Administration

[1:19:51] building in Baltimore, Maryland bears Arthur J. Altmyer's name. So, extremely famous

[1:19:57] deep here resident that is worthy of this honor. How was that? And because you're going

[1:20:03] to ask, first cousin is Susie Altmyer. They both have different spellings

[1:20:07] the last name. So, when the families came over for whatever reason, one kept one spelling

[1:20:12] the other one changed the spellings. So, yes, they're related.

[1:20:17] Other questions are comments,

[1:20:18] or any historical factual information you might want.

[1:20:21] That's really all I have right now.

[1:20:23] All right, that's said, all those in favor say aye.

[1:20:27] All right, aye.

[1:20:28] Opposed?

[1:20:29] Motion carries, thank you.

[1:20:31] We have a bridge name that we're hoping sticks.

[1:20:35] All right, now let's get down to the fun.

[1:20:38] We need a, as a recommendation to forward on.

[1:20:41] This one is actually more, has more significance, right?

[1:20:44] I mean, we have to name this thing based on the DOT.

[1:20:47] Well, DOT is asking. DOT is asking our public works department to recommend a name.

[1:20:55] Again, it's working with a county road so we have to have this go through the county so that

[1:20:59] they can start properly and all their designs for signage and things.

[1:21:02] So that's what they're looking for.

[1:21:03] That's a big deal, big big deal.

[1:21:05] So what I'll do now, this is kind of new to all of us.

[1:21:07] I thought I would just kind of open this up.

[1:21:10] Kind of like we were voting for stuff within the council.

[1:21:12] And just maybe have you guys offer recommendations?

[1:21:15] is that some good enough and we'll just go from there and you can kind of make a plug.

[1:21:19] All the person who asked you have something that I do.

[1:21:23] I do.

[1:21:24] So I, you know, having had a chance to look at this that Plan Commission the first time,

[1:21:29] I'm not going to say as in fadically as I did during that meeting my thoughts on the first

[1:21:37] thing that was thrown out there.

[1:21:38] I believe that went along.

[1:21:40] But anyway, in the conversation that happened in Plan Commission was actually a good

[1:21:44] conversation, they talked about Arthur J. Altmire being more of a historical figure and kind

[1:21:49] of sticking with the history type of scenario as it came to naming the bridge and then

[1:21:54] they were looking at something that maybe spoke more to the future.

[1:21:59] And we talked about history, one of the things I suggested is maybe that we find a way to

[1:22:06] pay homage to the people that lived in this area for thousands of years before it was settled

[1:22:11] and that would have been the monomony nation.

[1:22:13] So the monomony nation actually occupied this area

[1:22:17] of, of, of, appear in Green Bay for 10,000 plus years

[1:22:21] before the French actually moved in and worked and lived with them.

[1:22:27] But this area of, appear in Green Bay

[1:22:29] in doing some research with the monomony people

[1:22:32] was actually referred to as chiefs villages

[1:22:35] because a lot of the chiefs of the monomony nation

[1:22:36] actually resided in here along the rivers.

[1:22:39] So, so I'm talking with some members of the Menomani tribe over the past several weeks and trying to figure out some ideas that might work for a name that kind of signifies and

[1:22:50] and recognizes them being here, the history side that also something that speaks towards the future, one of the names that that popped up was generations Avenue.

[1:22:59] So in the original name that was put up by the city, which we're not going to bring up,

[1:23:04] I wanted to think of something that looked towards the future and some positives.

[1:23:07] And I think one of the things that's important to make that connection back, not only just

[1:23:12] in native people, but to the monomony nation as well as all those that are in this area,

[1:23:18] is understanding that as Native Americans, we like to make decisions and think about things

[1:23:25] that impact the next seven generations that come behind us.

[1:23:28] So for those that don't know, I'm a proud member of the Stockbridge Muncie tribe, a

[1:23:33] band-moheakens over in the Central part of Wisconsin, and part of that teaching that comes

[1:23:38] to us is that thinking for the future and anything we do today affects and impacts the next seven

[1:23:43] generations. So in those talkings and making that connection back to history as well as the future,

[1:23:49] I think generations Avenue, in my mind, fits very well with kind of the theme of what we started here

[1:23:56] with Arthur J Altmire, but it has a bigger impact on our communities as a whole and how we want to do things as a city council and as a community that actually impact positively the next seven generations.

[1:24:08] And I know that we have a developer sitting here as well and when they put projects together they're thinking how is this going to impact probably the next 20 to 25 30 40 years.

[1:24:16] And I think it's the same thing that we do here.

[1:24:18] And so I think my name that I'm throwing out

[1:24:22] is generations, Avenue, for those reasons,

[1:24:24] tie that back to a bigger picture.

[1:24:27] Thank you very much.

[1:24:29] Good explanation.

[1:24:30] Any other names you want to toss out there

[1:24:31] folks for consideration?

[1:24:34] I have a seat.

[1:24:35] All the person kind of here?

[1:24:36] Yeah, kind of in the same vein as Dean mentioned,

[1:24:40] but with a little different thought process.

[1:24:43] So thinking about all the decades of planning that have gone into this as well as being

[1:24:49] significant of bringing greater unity to the area, how much more travel and supply chain

[1:24:56] can be exercised throughout the reason and throughout the state.

[1:24:59] I mean, it's a project that is really astronomical when you think about it.

[1:25:04] So I looked at words that were both synonymous with that development, what appears stands

[1:25:10] as well as the river itself and what it's signifies and crossing. So just playing with some

[1:25:16] ideas, three words came, came to mind. Coles, co means together, a less means to grow.

[1:25:24] So the definition is to unite as a whole, the combination of distinct elements to grow together

[1:25:31] to unite for common and joint forces when similar parts become a cohesive unit.

[1:25:38] So that is really symbolic of what this development is doing.

[1:25:44] Another opportunity or thought process was around.

[1:25:48] It's a little more long, but it's fun to say, amalgamate, but it's really easy to spell.

[1:25:56] So it's an action of process of uniting two things.

[1:26:00] But here's the fun part about it.

[1:26:01] It's forming a close union without loss of individual identities.

[1:26:06] And I don't know about a town that is so fiercely individual in their identities and a

[1:26:13] hole.

[1:26:14] So I thought that would be kind of fun to play around with.

[1:26:17] And then the last one is more of a lean to the actual development of a river itself,

[1:26:23] but riparian.

[1:26:25] So riparian is related to the situation of living and locating and dwelling on the banks

[1:26:31] of a river in a natural water course of a river.

[1:26:36] So it's the ecology and the diversity

[1:26:39] and contributing to the health of a greater ecosystem.

[1:26:43] So a repairion is both a nod to the river

[1:26:46] as well as what we're trying to do

[1:26:49] with the ecosystem of our whole area.

[1:26:51] So those are three words that not every day street names,

[1:26:55] but they could be applied with real dual meaning.

[1:26:59] So, all right, thank you.

[1:27:03] Going next, I think all the person in the handsome,

[1:27:05] do you ever hear that?

[1:27:08] I like generation drive.

[1:27:09] I like some of those Amy.

[1:27:11] I still think Southbridge Road is the most direct

[1:27:15] and easy to understand and recognize.

[1:27:17] You can see it.

[1:27:18] Very not creative, but very practical.

[1:27:21] So, I want to throw Southbridge Road out there.

[1:27:23] And it's already part of this segment.

[1:27:26] I know, Plan Commission also talked about maybe looking at some of the monomony language.

[1:27:32] I was looking at NECOT, which is one in monomony.

[1:27:35] Again, kind of going to Amy's thing about unity.

[1:27:37] I like that you have kind of having some connection to unity and trying the two sides together.

[1:27:43] Thank you.

[1:27:45] Do we have others?

[1:27:47] All the personal evidence?

[1:27:48] I didn't really have one specifically, but I know your aim when you were working on this at staff

[1:27:53] was to come up with the word that meant, you know, progress or moving forward.

[1:27:58] And I just think that this bridge, taking generations to build, I mean, really has.

[1:28:06] It's really come down to this collaboration of local units of government and the state and

[1:28:11] interested groups to get us to this point.

[1:28:14] So I just like the idea of naming it for something along the lines of, you know, that collaborate,

[1:28:20] recognizing that collaboration and that working together to get to where we are now.

[1:28:25] But I didn't really come up with any names.

[1:28:27] I like to call last.

[1:28:31] I don't know.

[1:28:32] Thank you.

[1:28:33] Good comments.

[1:28:35] Other person rash person.

[1:28:37] Yeah.

[1:28:37] So when I talked to them, and I mean, they had a name that they were interested in, possibly

[1:28:43] tossing out there because they want Chawan on, which was actually the name of their

[1:28:48] First, grant chief that lived in this area.

[1:28:51] So that was the name that they recommended from the monomany nation, if we would go with the

[1:28:56] name of name, which is maybe a little bit tougher to kind of do, but from their historical

[1:29:03] group, from their museum group, and from some of their leadership, that was the name they

[1:29:07] had tossed out, which was the name of their first grant chief in this area.

[1:29:12] I think I want to get one vote.

[1:29:15] Okay, all the person here wants to ask Dan, do you recommend Aive or Drive for the street?

[1:29:23] It really comes down to the overall makeup of the street.

[1:29:27] Either one would suffice, and we've seen renderings a few different ways that includes a boulevard

[1:29:33] that often offers that opportunity, that potentially is a discussion point.

[1:29:38] But to me, when you have a dividing line, like you have on the GV corridor, that's when you call it something like that one.

[1:29:43] But if it's not going to be that, drive a revenue has equal weight in terms of a suffix for a street name.

[1:29:53] That's not going on that road right now.

[1:29:56] Yes, pun intended.

[1:29:58] Do we have anything else? Other person cance.

[1:30:00] I kind of like unity. You're just tossing unity out there, okay? All right, I'll throw that baby on there.

[1:30:06] Yeah, I'll do the union by joining the whole of the different city council.

[1:30:15] Thank you. So imagine we wouldn't see why it will make many names you'd have right now.

[1:30:20] I'll do a thousand. I can't just play baseball alone.

[1:30:23] And when else have a comment.

[1:30:24] I think that's an addition.

[1:30:26] Another name.

[1:30:27] Right.

[1:30:28] They can come and go.

[1:30:29] Yes, I think we're ready to roll.

[1:30:31] So I think what we'll probably do is we have, I'll say them again, and I'm not

[1:30:35] going to say Avenue or Roll to Generations, Cole S, a Melgumite, Reparian, South Bridge Road,

[1:30:47] and Unity.

[1:30:48] I don't know if the Meekot one was actually off your seat, but I don't know if I said

[1:30:51] so that.

[1:30:52] Meekot.

[1:30:53] Meekot.

[1:30:54] Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

[1:30:58] One.

[1:30:59] Ah.

[1:31:00] Necne cut.

[1:31:01] That's how you start.

[1:31:02] N-E-K-O-D.

[1:31:04] Okay. Okay. So those are the ones we have.

[1:31:06] So we're thinking of doing this.

[1:31:07] We'll just go down the list here and you get one vote per.

[1:31:10] Just raise your hand if you like.

[1:31:11] Is that what we're gonna do?

[1:31:12] We'll get a resolution.

[1:31:14] Well, if we go one per and maybe one one.

[1:31:16] Can we have a B-1 one?

[1:31:16] Can we? So I can really map a more.

[1:31:19] Gener... I want to see you spell them.

[1:31:20] I'm not gonna spell them, so thank you.

[1:31:22] That one, I could spell.

[1:31:23] Generations.

[1:31:24] That was my plan.

[1:31:25] That's important.

[1:31:27] Cole S.

[1:31:29] I think it's C-O-A-R-E-S-C-E, but I'm not in her

[1:31:32] percent sure, but it was correct.

[1:31:33] I did it.

[1:31:34] That was a stalling camp back in 7th grade,

[1:31:36] but I never heard that word.

[1:31:37] What was it again?

[1:31:39] A Melgamite.

[1:31:39] They're gonna pass down.

[1:31:41] A Melgamite.

[1:31:45] Reparian, R-I-P-A-R-I-N.

[1:31:49] We looked it up on Google.

[1:31:53] Self-bridge?

[1:31:54] How do you spell that?

[1:31:56] Ah, we're going to have one now.

[1:31:58] Nikot, N-E-K-O-T, was just said, and now,

[1:32:02] just thrown in the mix, unity.

[1:32:05] U-N-I-T-Y, unity.

[1:32:07] Just like you're in a spelling D.

[1:32:09] So go down the list, and then you get one vote per.

[1:32:11] One vote per, Kevin.

[1:32:13] I don't know.

[1:32:14] Yeah.

[1:32:14] And then kind of always have multiple ballots for you.

[1:32:17] Yeah.

[1:32:18] So I'll just start from the top with the first one, so if you all have interest in generations, raise your hand for that one.

[1:32:26] So we can only vote for one, though.

[1:32:28] Yeah.

[1:32:29] I've got one, two, three, four for generations.

[1:32:35] Thank you.

[1:32:36] Cole, less.

[1:32:39] I have one, two.

[1:32:42] Done.

[1:32:42] Generations that as you can't be to that for that.

[1:32:46] I want to say these names again.

[1:32:48] I want you to spell them first with out Larry's help.

[1:32:52] And by the way, so not fans.

[1:32:54] So the residents in Council understand, we did have a time crunch in doing this.

[1:32:58] We didn't have a pile of time to do this to come up with the name.

[1:33:00] So it's kind of why we are where we are right now.

[1:33:02] So we thought we'd finish this at Plan Commission,

[1:33:04] of course that didn't work.

[1:33:06] Optimistic, by the way, I believe it was a name of the road,

[1:33:08] which wasn't horribly bad.

[1:33:11] When we toss it out there.

[1:33:12] Not horribly bad.

[1:33:13] We were coming up with all kinds of things.

[1:33:15] Just so you know Larry, Larry.

[1:33:17] James threw you under the bus with that name.

[1:33:21] You guys come up with anything better.

[1:33:24] And what have done the same thing?

[1:33:26] So we're under kind of a time crunch.

[1:33:28] So now I do believe we're going to meet that.

[1:33:30] And we'll just forward this as obviously a strong recommendation from the common council.

[1:33:34] Shouldn't we keep going for the record?

[1:33:36] Okay, we'll keep going for the record.

[1:33:37] I'm going to make this meet.

[1:33:38] I'm very not doing it.

[1:33:42] Amalgamite.

[1:33:44] Amalgamite.

[1:33:45] Amalgamite.

[1:33:46] Reparion, which by the way, really good kind of light, self-bridge.

[1:33:52] There you go.

[1:33:53] I got it.

[1:33:56] Nikot.

[1:33:57] Nikot.

[1:33:57] Okay.

[1:33:58] And then unity.

[1:33:59] Give that one a second.

[1:34:02] Why not?

[1:34:03] That gives it right now.

[1:34:04] What?

[1:34:04] All right.

[1:34:05] It works.

[1:34:06] So that said, we have that as a final.

[1:34:09] So we need to do an emotion in a second for that to make an emotion.

[1:34:12] And a second.

[1:34:13] And then we'll go to that one.

[1:34:13] So before we do that, shouldn't we go down the list to figure out

[1:34:16] what's going to be Avenue, Road Street, full of art?

[1:34:19] And he's shaking his head right here because he has surgery.

[1:34:22] Under percent, no.

[1:34:23] However, as Larry would say, noted, so we'll need a motion

[1:34:28] a second for generation.

[1:34:29] Make a motion to name the road, the new road generations, something.

[1:34:35] Can you be the second?

[1:34:36] And to motion by a other person rash, second by a other person

[1:34:39] Lebanon for the new road to be named generation.

[1:34:42] Does any to recommend the name of the real new road generations any additional comments or discussion?

[1:34:50] Where is the code from there then?

[1:34:52] County County County County and we'll give you a final answer.

[1:34:56] Are we worried that anyone's going to think we're being snarky by naming it generation?

[1:35:01] We quite honestly don't care.

[1:35:03] Considering the fact that the conversation for this

[1:35:06] So, the bridge started in the summer of 1967.

[1:35:09] That's what I was born.

[1:35:10] That's fine.

[1:35:11] Yeah, yeah.

[1:35:12] We're just there.

[1:35:13] Okay, everybody.

[1:35:14] So the bridge will be done next year then once we have this finish.

[1:35:16] So good job everybody.

[1:35:19] I'm sure if you didn't put that all up there.

[1:35:21] Well, hopefully grab on it.

[1:35:22] Find my me.

[1:35:23] And then fully paid by everyone except us.

[1:35:25] That's it.

[1:35:26] All those in favor.

[1:35:29] This again is for the street name.

[1:35:30] Say aye.

[1:35:33] Opposed.

[1:35:35] Motion carries.

[1:35:35] Thank you. We have a bridge name and we have a street name. Congratulations, everybody. You are a part of history that took a long time to get to.

[1:35:44] Good evening tonight. I am 27.

[1:35:47] Resolution 2371 authorized in facility rental agreement between the city of Depear and the Depeary Unified School District of Depear.

[1:35:55] We'll do proof.

[1:35:57] Most of all the person hands in second of all the person rash any discussion or comments.

[1:36:03] Seeing there is none, all those in favor, roll-coveled, please.

[1:36:08] Other person, Rash?

[1:36:10] Aye.

[1:36:11] Carpenter?

[1:36:11] Aye.

[1:36:12] Gens?

[1:36:12] Aye.

[1:36:13] Hansen?

[1:36:13] Aye.

[1:36:14] Levin?

[1:36:15] Aye.

[1:36:16] Peerock?

[1:36:17] Aye.

[1:36:19] Motion carries.

[1:36:20] Thank you.

[1:36:20] Item 28.

[1:36:21] Point to a historic preservation commission by Mayor Boyd.

[1:36:25] We're different.

[1:36:26] Second.

[1:36:27] Motion milder person, Hansen.

[1:36:29] Seconded by all the person, Levin, any discussion or comments?

[1:36:31] Thank you to James Schueler for offering to serve.

[1:36:35] That said, all those in favor, say aye.

[1:36:38] Aye.

[1:36:39] Opposed.

[1:36:40] Motion carries.

[1:36:41] Thank you.

[1:36:42] Item 29.

[1:36:44] Vulture approval.

[1:36:46] Moved to approve.

[1:36:47] Second.

[1:36:48] Motion milder person quickly.

[1:36:49] Seconded by all the person led me down.

[1:36:52] All those in favor, say aye.

[1:36:54] Aye.

[1:36:54] Opposed.

[1:36:55] Motion carries.

[1:36:56] Thank you.

[1:36:58] Item 30.

[1:36:59] Future agenda items.

[1:37:00] Does anyone have anything?

[1:37:02] All the person handsome.

[1:37:04] Yeah, so in the downtown we have a lot of, we've been gradually replacing the decorative

[1:37:09] street lights with the new fixtures, and from the beginning of North Broadway by Crow's

[1:37:14] nest all the way to George Street, they've been all replaced on the east side, and now a lot

[1:37:19] of them on the west side have been replaced too.

[1:37:21] But when we go south of George Street, so south Broadway from George Street to kind of where

[1:37:26] the Malva Center is, they're the old lights.

[1:37:29] And the reason why is because those old lights are serviced by WPS were as the ones North of George Street are served our own by the city and WPS has not been willing to

[1:37:41] entertain the idea of replacing the fixtures to match the rest of them even if the city were to pay for it

[1:37:47] So I'd just like a discussion at the board about how we might be able to proceed with this to try to get the fixtures all looking the same

[1:37:55] Larry's on that. Thank you very much

[1:37:57] No, the public works, as you said.

[1:37:58] It's noted.

[1:37:59] Thank you, say, noted.

[1:38:01] Florida Public Works.

[1:38:02] Other future agenda items.

[1:38:07] OK, seeing there is none.

[1:38:09] We moved to the closed session portion.

[1:38:11] Item 31 and 32 will go 31 first, which doesn't have to be

[1:38:16] closed session, but we'll kick it off and go from there.

[1:38:19] So item 31.

[1:38:20] So you wouldn't have to read the closed session.

[1:38:22] I know I'm not going to.

[1:38:23] I'm just reading that item.

[1:38:25] Yep.

[1:38:25] Item 31.

[1:38:26] Consideration and possible action on proposed development

[1:38:29] and degreement terms with DePier 230 development partners LLC for proposed redevelopment for the

[1:38:36] former shop co-store in downtown DePier, Dan, you're going to kick this off.

[1:38:45] I'm going to take my time, kind of pull on this up here in our skin.

[1:38:48] Guys, all the time.

[1:38:49] We've got plenty of time.

[1:38:51] You guys will pay back there plenty of time.

[1:38:53] We've got at least three and a half hours before our latest meeting, so here we go.

[1:38:57] All right, so I'm going to go through probably, I would probably say one of the most

[1:39:01] anticipated questions that you've probably been receiving over the past year as well as myself and others.

[1:39:07] I'm going to go through a bit of an overview here, but also the current property owners are also available for questions.

[1:39:13] But I'll try to go through as much of the overview as possible.

[1:39:16] I will say that it's probably my most lengthy detailed memo I could probably provide.

[1:39:20] So if you have any questions, I miss my target on providing all the details.

[1:39:25] So, what this proposal is going to be looking at is a combination of a mixed use development

[1:39:32] and redevelopment of the former Shopco facility in our downtown, and I'm just trying

[1:39:37] to touch on the high points.

[1:39:38] There's so much detail that went into this analysis, but I'll try to touch on the high points

[1:39:41] here.

[1:39:42] And to make this work, we're looking at the possible creation of three different tax increment

[1:39:46] districts to facilitate the creation of five private development sites in one public development

[1:39:51] site.

[1:39:52] over a span of 46 years, but again, market realities are sort of the big driver piece of that one.

[1:39:58] About $60 million worth of new value to our downtown between about 80 to 85 million worth of total construction value,

[1:40:07] depending on the overall scope of the project and when things fall in line.

[1:40:12] We've asked the developer to provide as much detail as possible, so we could have a realistic conversation about what could be on the site.

[1:40:19] And I think it's important because what we want to be able to do today is kind of create some general terms in which that development group can start to use as their baseline skeleton.

[1:40:28] Because what we don't want is we don't want to come back every six months and with new terms and new terms and new terms as stuff changes.

[1:40:34] So what we're asking tonight is a recommendation from the council to discuss this.

[1:40:39] And the reason why it's a council here is normally this stage of a process would be at the finance and personnel committee.

[1:40:44] But because of its large impactful nature to our downtown, we felt that the council would likely be the one who want to have a discussion point about this one.

[1:40:53] So it's still a terms discussion here at this point.

[1:40:55] A little bit out of ordinary, but it's still a terms discussion with the end result of staff being able to work with the development group on proposed development agreement and bring that back on in each individual basis.

[1:41:08] So that's the overall impetus for tonight.

[1:41:09] So, as we go through this here, see if my mouth starts working here, again, we're talking

[1:41:15] about the creation of three separate tax increment districts, they would be blight elimination

[1:41:19] or rehab and conservation districts.

[1:41:21] Now, the same rules, 27 years, but the overall important part of this one is, we don't

[1:41:25] want to create one standard district because then that clock starts to tick on every one

[1:41:30] of those buildings.

[1:41:31] And so, we lose the opportunity to use our leverage when it comes to tax incremental financing.

[1:41:36] So try to stager out the creation of these districts as appropriate.

[1:41:40] We've kind of limited it to three buildings of what we thought made sense, but that is going to require some creative maneuvering when it comes to structuring those project plans because of a lot of the public expenditures will be happening inside of a first tax increment district, which means there will be a donor allocation district necessary of those remaining two to help pay off those municipal infrastructure costs during that time.

[1:42:01] So with that one we will have to work with the DOR to determine those various different elements, but that's what we are talking about here today

[1:42:11] Real quick Danny, in the way that you're stating this, you're talking about having a layered district on top of each other, are you

[1:42:16] No, we would create in separate districts that would be almost single use or several use district

[1:42:21] It was not going to layer over

[1:42:23] No, puzzle pieces more or less is how I like to kind of refer to them

[1:42:29] So, the overall scenario here, if I think we all know the site, I usually would put up a street view photos, but I think we're all sort of aware of the sites, our downtown former Shopco facility.

[1:42:38] And the area of discussion tonight is primarily around the existing building, as well as the privately owned parking lot.

[1:42:46] So, I put up the renderings, they're in your packet, the proposed renderings are part of discussion here tonight, but again there meant to be enough of a conceptual diagram to start moving us forward towards those conversations.

[1:42:57] And I think, as I get further along, I start labeling the buildings, but overall, think of the site as a mixed use center, both horizontally and vertically, meaning we have vertical integration of uses and mix of uses going

[1:43:12] horizontally meaning we have different types of buildings as we go along.

[1:43:16] This iteration, with the ownership group, we've been working with them for a while now on

[1:43:22] kind of finding the best fit from a scale and size standpoint, and so that's the reason

[1:43:26] why you're seeing the buildings as presented here.

[1:43:29] It's multiple buildings versus maybe one or two large buildings or three large buildings,

[1:43:33] and the reason for that is to break up massing and scaling and create human scale as we work through.

[1:43:38] I think the Plan Commission made that point known, especially when it came to our new zoning code,

[1:43:42] again talking about massing ends of the ownership group really took that to heart in this case.

[1:43:47] But it also includes a public parking component as well as a public plaza component.

[1:43:52] And so you see that public plaza that's behind the buildings.

[1:43:56] And what I mean public meaning it's accessible to the public but would be privately owned.

[1:44:00] But the overall intent is for it to be a 360 degree design building so that people can use the building

[1:44:06] plaza space, patio space, green space and providing that element of light to each one of those buildings as well.

[1:44:13] So, Massey and for you, we'll go through each individual building at a very high level,

[1:44:18] but in short, range of building size from two stories to five stories from the residential

[1:44:23] standpoint and six stories in some of the residential and then a potential, as illustrated

[1:44:28] on here as a potential hotel.

[1:44:31] Again, the overall configuration can change as new products come in, but the overall goal

[1:44:35] is to provide a mix of uses both horizontally and vertically.

[1:44:39] some conceptual renderings that were provided. Again, it may not meet all of the code elements,

[1:44:44] but overall just conceptually you can kind of see how it fits within the overall ramifications

[1:44:49] of the downtown. You can see the right now we're looking north on Wisconsin Street looking north

[1:44:56] towards what would be the shop though parking lot at this point.

[1:45:00] Wolfe Plaza is the water wall that you see right there, or the wind wall you see right there.

[1:45:06] And again, looking at it from just a slightly different perspective, looking at the rear of the building.

[1:45:10] You can kind of see how that, again, the public space sort of wraps the building, the public kind of quasi public private space.

[1:45:17] And again, just some representative images or sample images to get character and feel for what the development group is looking for.

[1:45:23] Those are in in your packet.

[1:45:24] So, the concept for polls, so I'm going to go through them here, again, I put the letters on there for a little bit bolder scale here.

[1:45:33] But building A6 stories, with first two stories being retail and commercial space, you can see the details I won't go through them all.

[1:45:40] And then three to six floors being market rate residential.

[1:45:44] Building B would be a two stories, again, trying to bring that scale back down and kind of break up that height would be an office and retail commercial component and building first and second floor.

[1:45:54] building C on Broadway, you're looking at that currently positioned as a potential hotel

[1:45:59] user with first floor, typical hotel uses on that first floor with second and seventh

[1:46:05] floors, being included in that one. It's modeled just right now as is, but again, a hotel

[1:46:11] operator is going to come in with their own brand, their own field and their own components.

[1:46:15] So again, it's just modeled that way now, provides some, to provide some conceptual feel.

[1:46:21] Underground parking, aboveground parking, those are all things that have to be discussed during when that hotel operator starts to provide interest.

[1:46:29] As we continue to move forward, this one had more transitions in it.

[1:46:34] Building D is a mix of again retail and residential, but primarily being retail and office on those first two floors and commercial.

[1:46:42] The third and fourth fifth may be sixth floor depending on how the building is configured as 20 units of condominium development.

[1:46:48] So again, now we're changing rental rates with condominium rates as well.

[1:46:52] So we have two different, again, types of residential styles and building F that you see on

[1:46:57] there is four stories again with first floor retail commercial opportunities and then residential

[1:47:01] 60 units there. Building E that you see there is a is proposed to be a public parking structure.

[1:47:06] I think we've all heard the parking in our downtown needs to be fixed and needs to be corrected.

[1:47:10] I don't think I go a week without hearing that. But as part of it, we're talking a little bit about that.

[1:47:14] So, in this case, that's when we, as a council, you guys authored Walker to go and understand

[1:47:21] this impact to the parking calculations, and I did include that in the memo as well.

[1:47:26] Public investment proposals, you can see are on there, public infrastructure, so there's

[1:47:30] several street reconstructions in right-of-ways, some acquisitions as proposed in those

[1:47:35] general terms, that includes ownership and purchasing of right-of-ways purchasing of the

[1:47:40] working structure land and then development of those public facilities as well.

[1:47:46] So I won't go through too much of those.

[1:47:48] In the fact that you saw that we took a high level view as much as we could with as much detail as we could for those evaluations of each project.

[1:47:56] So we evaluated each project for its market rates of returns and wanted to compare them to other market realities.

[1:48:02] And so I won't go through each one but it is in the packet I can respond to questions.

[1:48:06] But we did, in each one of these analysis, we took a 10-year projection of just basic the rent projections expense projections so that we can have an understanding of how these projects would perform over time.

[1:48:18] Again, our whole goal is to make sure one at work for the district, but it also works for the developer.

[1:48:22] They're meeting their expected rates of return.

[1:48:24] But we're also not overreaching in that aspect as well, because there is only so much tools we have in the toolbox when it comes to tax incremental financing.

[1:48:33] So, I won't go through each one individually, but that's the overall, I have them detailed

[1:48:38] listed out here if we decide to go back and forth through some of these, but I just broke

[1:48:42] down the structure, how the overall, roughly financing structure, loan to value, stuff like

[1:48:47] that.

[1:48:48] I have the thing, the overall summaries tables included as well, it talks a little bit about

[1:48:54] the public financing part of it, so we can touch a little bit on those ones, but in short,

[1:48:59] This bottom two tables here are sort of what comes in play, which is the overall percent of proposed public financing assistance towards this project and so I did include that in the packet.

[1:49:10] The summary comes down to we are proposing in this case to break up the public financing part into two different pieces.

[1:49:19] The upfront cash grant to help sort of move the project along right on the front end.

[1:49:24] But then also extending out our opportunities to support with through the use of municipal revenue obligations

[1:49:31] are what are typically known as pay-go agreements, and in this case.

[1:49:34] So you can see what that breaks down to is of the overall increment projected to be generated through this project.

[1:49:40] And we have about 41% of it net present value in incentives.

[1:49:47] When you include cost of borrowing, when you include the net present or the cost to those municipal revenue obligations,

[1:49:53] and interest involved, you're looking at about 70% of the total increment generated geared towards

[1:49:58] the incentives towards this project. That seems like a lot, but when we take our typical

[1:50:03] mechanism of our ratios of increment to assess value, we're right in line with a lot of our redevelopment

[1:50:10] targets, which is in that 20% of the overall incentive to our increment value. So we're in target

[1:50:19] where we've been with other redevelopment projects in the past.

[1:50:22] This one does have more infrastructure costs

[1:50:24] than we've typically had in our downtown projects,

[1:50:27] but it involves potentially reconstructing a street

[1:50:29] with more street-scape elements,

[1:50:30] adding the whole new street back to our network,

[1:50:33] public parking ramp construction.

[1:50:36] So as I kind of wrap up here,

[1:50:38] I did include sort of the general terms,

[1:50:40] but in short, I've sort of outlined all those pieces

[1:50:43] within your packet, and there's a lot of information there.

[1:50:47] But in short, each one of those development agreements

[1:50:49] we're proposing to include the conceptual timelines, site plans, prior to the development agreements,

[1:50:54] and because we have internal site plan review process, that can be sped along as things move forward.

[1:51:00] Minimum assessed value, minimum tax values per schedule, because we're trying to take advantage

[1:51:06] of our potential increment growth from just property value appreciations. And also looking at, again,

[1:51:14] that ratio and each one of those agreements of the incentive pay go versus upfront cash grant.

[1:51:20] We sort of outline where we think it needs to be, but we still want to have the flexibility

[1:51:24] to come back and say, maybe it makes more sense to move those dollar amounts one way or the

[1:51:28] other.

[1:51:29] And each one of those agreements will also include the city obligations, project cost reimbursement

[1:51:33] grants, annual pay goes.

[1:51:35] The whole overall goal is if the developer finds that what we originally laid out here

[1:51:39] doesn't work for them, we want to be able to come back and say, okay, yes, that makes sense.

[1:51:42] We can move some things around here, and then come back with a final development agreement.

[1:51:46] We know each one of these projects is going to be its own challenge, and as a result we

[1:51:50] want to make sure we have enough flexibility to come back with a development agreement that

[1:51:54] works for each party.

[1:51:58] So roughly, I try to go through it quickly.

[1:52:02] I had a lot more time, but I realized what time it is here, but I know that the ownership

[1:52:06] group is here for any questions that you may have, but again, if you wish to kind of go

[1:52:10] in a close session and discuss any of these things

[1:52:12] that option is available to you as well.

[1:52:15] Okay, so we'll probably do,

[1:52:16] so you understand what the do's and don'ts are.

[1:52:18] We're going to go in our attorney right now.

[1:52:19] So Tony, tell us how things kind of go from here.

[1:52:23] Sure, I'll just type to count on a couple of points,

[1:52:27] just logistically or mechanically,

[1:52:29] as Dan indicated, the council would have the option

[1:52:33] to go into close session if they had any questions,

[1:52:37] or wish to discuss for competitive bargaining,

[1:52:39] negotiating reasons any of the terms that have been set out in the packet and the term sheet

[1:52:47] that is better presented. So anything specifically Council could choose to go in to close

[1:52:53] session to have further discussion with staff in that regard. In addition, as Dan indicated

[1:52:59] and as you can see the developers here and would be available to answer any questions or making

[1:53:06] comments and that would be contained in open session. So just a couple of points

[1:53:10] I don't move forward. Thank you. So you guys can take a try and questions if you like

[1:53:15] and we'll determine from there. Are there a person rash?

[1:53:18] I have a question for the city attorney.

[1:53:22] So, and for Dan a little bit here on this one.

[1:53:23] So my understanding here right now is this is still a process. There's nothing definitive

[1:53:29] being really decided to deny the side from let's move forward and continue conversations

[1:53:33] and get some more of the the nitty gritty worked out in my understanding that correctly.

[1:53:38] So, I mean, I don't know how much conversation or question we can have on terms and at this point.

[1:53:43] Well, typically that or in my, no, typically this was at the finance we'd be looking for

[1:53:48] recommendation of these draft terms here and typically we then have the opportunity to, if we find that the

[1:53:55] terms are starting to move around we can either bring them back as a terms discussion or bring them forward if

[1:54:00] are just nominal enough that we can just let the council know when the development agreement

[1:54:04] is ready that we've made some tweaks from the finance committee's recommendation as a result

[1:54:08] of the market.

[1:54:09] Does that help answer?

[1:54:10] I think you're on.

[1:54:14] All the person carpenter?

[1:54:15] So some of this infrastructure that's got to be done, I mean, alive infrastructure was done,

[1:54:21] especially water main, when the other development never went nowhere.

[1:54:25] When the shop called the development went on and there's a large water main pipe that was

[1:54:29] put in.

[1:54:29] can anybody, is that going to be a molder? We're going to be using some of that stuff or

[1:54:34] so no. So some of the infrastructure in in Wisconsin Street and discussions with our city

[1:54:41] engineer potentially has the opportunity to be reuse. Some of the ductile iron probably has

[1:54:45] an opportunity now to move it. But if we're going to be looking at doing pavement reconfigurations

[1:54:50] and streetscape elements, there may be opportunities to look at that. In the terms you see

[1:54:56] if the proposal is not to include any upgrades to pipes or anything else like that, but

[1:55:01] stuff has to be moved because it's currently sitting where a building needs to sit.

[1:55:06] The term sort of outline whose responsibility of that is.

[1:55:08] If the city ever says, okay, now that we're doing this, we like to up-sized things so that

[1:55:12] we're better service to ourselves, that's also outlined in the terms that that's a city cost.

[1:55:17] So that we're trying to be fair in whose responsibility it is in those proposed terms.

[1:55:22] So, and all the person I don't know, and you can cut me off on this, and that proposed city portion of a garage or parking area, if we don't go and close session, I recommend since we're thinking of generations down the road that we make this parking area large enough that it's not going to be needed to be done later.

[1:55:46] And Larry or Danny want to take that?

[1:55:49] Just the Walker study will assist with that.

[1:55:52] Yeah, we have to go by that size and need to be.

[1:55:55] But I'm just saying that hopefully we are large enough.

[1:55:59] There is also a piece of that one, which is the cost of a parking structure and for those that

[1:56:04] are about the cost per stall is quite observant, so we need to find that balance point.

[1:56:12] And by the way, don't let time take things away from you all.

[1:56:15] This is a pretty important project.

[1:56:17] It's a really big deal.

[1:56:18] So if you have stuff you want to bring out, you have questions of, please do.

[1:56:21] So don't think we're strapped any time.

[1:56:23] Restrain what's the weather here.

[1:56:24] I mean, it really is a extremely large project and deserves your attention.

[1:56:29] I've got about 7-3 to 3 tomorrow morning before I got to be the worst.

[1:56:33] I'm good.

[1:56:34] All the person kind of grabbed, I think you had your hand up.

[1:56:36] Yeah, I just want to reiterate what you said earlier,

[1:56:39] that this is conceptually like nobody should fall in love with the design, it's largely developed

[1:56:44] to give an explanation to the math, right? Or is the design more that it will be five buildings

[1:56:52] or multiple buildings that will be developed over time? Is it somewhere in the middle of,

[1:57:00] because it won't necessarily be this, but that's how we could devise a whole plan for the math

[1:57:06] work out and I think you're probably looking at a pretty good representation of scale and of

[1:57:13] appropriateness I would say maybe the location of a building being maybe not here in building

[1:57:20] these location and be maybe it moves or maybe the hotel moves to the location. I would say the

[1:57:25] ownership group has looked at this as an opportunity to create the appropriate scale and as you get

[1:57:31] bigger and bigger buildings you lose that human element of scale and you also increase your risk.

[1:57:36] When it comes to overall performance, you have a little bigger building, much bigger debt,

[1:57:41] you're able to bring in as many different investors.

[1:57:44] So I would say you're probably pretty close on the massing in scale.

[1:57:48] That's what we've been working towards.

[1:57:49] It's the location and maybe some small tweaks is probably pretty close.

[1:57:54] Now the overall look of the looks and feel of those buildings, those are representative

[1:57:58] images, every project will be different as it comes in.

[1:58:01] The parking facility is that one that future development could be on top of it.

[1:58:08] So in our discussions with Walker, who's our parking consultant, we are looking at opportunities

[1:58:15] for servicing the greater area. Now adding scale to that one, adding height to that one,

[1:58:20] also adds height adjacent to the neighborhood. We have other parking lots that are already in our

[1:58:26] town that maybe be better utilized for additional buildings instead of adding spaces for

[1:58:32] parking versus adding spaces for other buildings on top of it and the reason for that one is

[1:58:38] it's just again a product of scale once you add buildings on top of parking structures

[1:58:42] your costs go up and you start to really kind of change I guess you would say the overall

[1:58:47] dynamic of it so we're trying to limit the the risk to the building I guess you would say

[1:58:52] and again the cost of a parking structure is just something that we're just trying to keep

[1:58:56] a handle on and try to keep as low as possible was still again provide the greatest opportunity

[1:59:01] for development in the immediate surrounding area.

[1:59:06] Are you good? Are you good? You can think

[1:59:08] of more. All the first, Hanson, was your kind of leader will be here.

[1:59:13] In terms of the parking structure, are we planning to charge and if so is the city

[1:59:19] holding on to all that revenue than in perpetuity? So part of the parking structure that's a

[1:59:29] a whole creation of a parking utility and a variety of other elements, which we've is in our

[1:59:33] scope of walker and with walker to go down. But in short, it's the structure itself will

[1:59:39] have to have paid parking. If somebody wants to reside in it for overnight parking for their

[1:59:44] if they have a second car or anything else that's not provided in their existing building and they

[1:59:49] want to lease. You're looking at equal lease rates from most likely what's going to be in

[1:59:54] their structure versus what's the publicly available for overnight parking. There's just no way

[1:59:58] around to being able to build up.

[2:00:00] The parking structure without having a revenue source that is general public revenue as well as additional guaranteed revenue when it comes to general fund, to district funding and a variety of other elements.

[2:00:11] And then revenue would presumably go to paying back all these projects in the tether.

[2:00:15] The parking ramp revenue will be going to pay off the parking ramp.

[2:00:19] The project itself is to pay off the project revenues that we are going for a barway.

[2:00:24] the parking ramp in this day and age is not going to be your income generating piece.

[2:00:30] Larry wants to chime in and just right now the intent is we most like they would create a

[2:00:34] parking utility. So these similar words that kind of a fun words held within that utility.

[2:00:41] Okay. Have there been any traffic studies done on the impact of reopening up the 500 block of

[2:00:47] William Street? Traffic studies as in the impact of the neighborhood? Yes.

[2:00:51] There have not been. I mean, I think it's a good idea. I'm just kind of curious. We've got that far yet.

[2:00:58] In terms of the Plaza, it looks like that's going to be kind of similar to Mayor Walsh Plaza.

[2:01:02] They're going to be any other amenities there for being planned for it.

[2:01:06] That is not the level of detail that we've gotten to this element. The overall goal is to provide again a public

[2:01:11] private partnership, but again, trying to make as much.

[2:01:15] I guess just a human movement in between the Plaza spaces as possible and in between in and out of the building.

[2:01:20] And so again, that would be designed during that process,

[2:01:24] during the site plan process.

[2:01:26] And then last question, we get a lot of feedback

[2:01:28] from residents to need more affordable housing,

[2:01:30] and we also need more market rate housing

[2:01:32] because then that can free up affordable housing as well.

[2:01:35] It doesn't look like there's any affordable units

[2:01:38] that are being required in this project,

[2:01:39] so I want to give you a talk about that.

[2:01:41] Yep, it really comes down to making it work

[2:01:43] from a overall tax incremental finance standpoint.

[2:01:46] When you take a affordable, a workforce housing project, the assess value decreases because

[2:01:53] the overall income generation decreases, and so on the income model, you have that.

[2:01:58] Our decreasing, our continually decreasing mill rate sort of went into that one, but we

[2:02:04] sort of stabilize that with our schedules, but really it just comes down to, is isn't quite

[2:02:09] economically feasible for our tid districts at this time when you have this level of buildings.

[2:02:13] If you were to do a smaller scale building and bring in a different developer on maybe our parking lot to the north in the future

[2:02:20] We have opportunities and that's really where the parking ramp comes in play is if we anticipate greater parking needs in the area

[2:02:27] On some of our existing parking lots to incorporate

[2:02:30] Workforce housing are just in other other housing opportunities that helps us kind of turn over some of those parking lots to

[2:02:38] Greater opportunities for workforce housing all the person rash

[2:02:43] Yeah, the first comment is, you know, conceptually looking at this project, it's something

[2:02:52] that downtown's need because it incorporates that some of the population density that we

[2:02:56] need, but the combination of different types of whether it's professional, retail, or even

[2:03:01] the hotel concept as well.

[2:03:03] And I think in order for that downtown's to be thriving, we need to have that kind of a mix

[2:03:10] use that goes on. And the fact that you're actually putting a quite a bit of population down there

[2:03:15] in this project is pretty impressive. Looking at and we go back to the 102 building,

[2:03:23] looking at some of these being six and seven stories of some experience in the 102 and now that we

[2:03:28] at first we were sure how high we could go and then we had to drive some pilings and then we could hit

[2:03:31] the fourth floor, then we had the fifth floor. Are we worried about some of that same type of structural

[2:03:36] issue in this area going six to seven stories tall with what looks to be a little bit bigger

[2:03:40] footprint on these buildings. That is a a ownership group just a question. I know they've

[2:03:47] done their their phase one of phase two environmental assessments. Usually when people are doing

[2:03:51] those they're also doing core core drills to figure out their soil suitability. I don't know if

[2:03:55] they've done that at this time. I will also note that in the the council and the plan commission

[2:04:01] made note that you know as we start to get to these higher buildings we start talking about the

[2:04:04] to you notice it as it gets higher up it steps back into the away from the from the streets gate that is

[2:04:10] required in our downtown anything above three stories as well so there's opportunities for how much and

[2:04:15] how far you go back but so we talk about human scale as we go I did want to make sure make the

[2:04:21] public aware that some of the images you may see today aren't exactly to meet code but as we go through

[2:04:26] that process they will I guess you say evolve over time okay so I guess in terms of you know some of

[2:04:34] session for. I think conceptually this is something that the city needs in terms of that mixed use,

[2:04:40] getting that population density down there to help create and make this the downtown's work really well.

[2:04:46] So that's exciting for me. Did you have something else to do with that?

[2:04:50] Was that the one? It was the one commented and then it was about the height of the building so

[2:04:54] if we've gone to that level yet to look at, if we can go to six and seven,

[2:05:00] you know, because I know there was a conversation back and forth when we did the 102 that

[2:05:02] But oops, we can't go that high.

[2:05:04] Oh, now we can.

[2:05:05] And now we're going to add that other fifth floor back on top.

[2:05:09] So OK, other questions?

[2:05:11] I'm looking at this side right here.

[2:05:12] I don't want to miss anybody.

[2:05:13] And we're not good.

[2:05:15] Back to this side again.

[2:05:18] Can we get it done by the draft?

[2:05:20] Yeah.

[2:05:21] Yeah.

[2:05:22] I do that.

[2:05:24] They're laughing in the way that's happening.

[2:05:26] So I'm going to say, no.

[2:05:27] Just the one part.

[2:05:29] I want that at least.

[2:05:30] Just the first one.

[2:05:31] So what we need right now?

[2:05:32] Now you need to see if there are going to be post-notch issues.

[2:05:35] So we can, someone can make a motion just for the terms of concept and that's, we're done

[2:05:39] with it, correct?

[2:05:40] Or if you have something else you want to discuss, that's just in your minds, we have to go

[2:05:43] to post-notch issues.

[2:05:44] So there are questions we're going to post-notch to talk about terms of concept, is that?

[2:05:47] No, you can just, you can just, if we prove it as a concept, or if you want to talk about it

[2:05:52] more in post-notch issues, we can do that.

[2:05:54] But my only follow-up to that will be the approval tonight, it's not locking down all those

[2:05:59] terms, there's still some opportunity for things to change and whatnot as we go through

[2:06:04] the process.

[2:06:05] We're not locked into what happens right now.

[2:06:07] In the terms, there is a statement that says we are requesting the ability to be a little

[2:06:11] bit flexible, but if we deviate beyond what we feel is comfortable as a city attorney,

[2:06:15] city administrator, and development services director of what the spirit of the approved

[2:06:19] terms was, we would bring it back.

[2:06:21] I mean, I mean, I mean, as I make that clarifying question, is when we go back to the

[2:06:25] big project, it's about to finish the summer, I know some things changes we went through

[2:06:29] process. With those terms, so I just want to make sure there's a little bit of that

[2:06:35] opportunity or flexibility that's there if something has to change that you'll bring it back to us so we can

[2:06:39] we can look at that. Yeah, you'd be notified of any changes prior to any development agreement.

[2:06:43] Okay. So it's basically your comfort level with the people that he had just mentioned,

[2:06:47] you know, which I am. I'm comfortable too. But it's entirely up to you all right here.

[2:06:53] So if that's the case, we don't have to go to closed session. You can make a motion in a second to

[2:06:58] At this point I would make a motion to to approve and accept the recommendation from the

[2:07:06] Development Service Director terms of terms of concept. We want to use that as the just proposed it on the term most development

[2:07:14] Second I'm going that proposed development agreement terms. That's what that's what that's what I'm going with that

[2:07:21] First second you both okay with that

[2:07:23] So we have a motion by all the person who are asked, second of all the person

[2:07:26] against.

[2:07:27] Now that we have the motion in second, any additional comments and door discussion,

[2:07:30] this is what we'll call over the regular.

[2:07:32] Just number.

[2:07:33] Just number.

[2:07:35] Any additional comments or questions?

[2:07:36] All the person who answered.

[2:07:37] We may want to open up the meeting for the developers to say a few words, and also address

[2:07:41] all the person who asked us questions about the story.

[2:07:43] Clearly you're called.

[2:07:44] I'll make a motion open the meeting.

[2:07:46] Second.

[2:07:47] Motion by all the person who answered, second of all the person, Levin,

[2:07:50] to open up the meeting.

[2:07:51] All those in favor say aye.

[2:07:52] Hi.

[2:07:53] Opposed?

[2:07:54] Motion carries.

[2:07:55] Thank you.

[2:07:56] Any or all of the gentlemen want to go to this table right here, we have two seats,

[2:07:59] but we can probably just have one.

[2:08:01] It looks like you need.

[2:08:03] Either Andy for sure wasn't trying.

[2:08:05] That's right.

[2:08:06] You didn't even.

[2:08:07] It wasn't even dodgy.

[2:08:09] Got the quota.

[2:08:09] That's a good evening.

[2:08:10] Good evening.

[2:08:11] We have your name and address then.

[2:08:12] I'm Jason Totik.

[2:08:14] I live at 332 Automate Circle and Green Bay Wisconsin.

[2:08:17] Thank you.

[2:08:17] I remember one of the questions you want to try to address.

[2:08:19] Sure.

[2:08:19] I mean, whatever you would start with that.

[2:08:21] The question regarding the deep foundation system,

[2:08:24] for the ultimate range.

[2:08:27] Short answer is, is we believe that we will need

[2:08:30] deep foundation systems on the site.

[2:08:32] As we're taking the buildings taller, they get heavier.

[2:08:36] There's no doubt that we're gonna need some underground

[2:08:38] parking, and certainly we do no reason to believe

[2:08:42] at this point in time that the foundations

[2:08:43] or the soil bearing capacities are wildly different

[2:08:46] from the sites at the 102.

[2:08:47] You know, it's part of the reason that the request for assistance here is a little bit higher than our initial request at the 102.

[2:08:56] So those numbers, including the deep foundation system, are already, you know, someone baked into our budgets for this project.

[2:09:02] And the deep foundation system allows you to also do the underground parking in place, correct?

[2:09:07] And are you going to use a very similar ratio to parking like you did with the 102?

[2:09:10] So we hope to even have a higher parking ratio.

[2:09:14] Certainly, when we added the fifth floor to the 102, we ended up two-shorts, two-stalls

[2:09:19] short at the 102, so we're a little less than one for one, and we would certainly like

[2:09:24] to be at least one for one, and then certainly have the ability to, for residents needing

[2:09:29] a second car, the ability to have some additional supplemental parking and the parking structure.

[2:09:34] We think we'll be at advantage for everyone in the neighborhood.

[2:09:37] Perfect.

[2:09:37] Thank you.

[2:09:38] Thank you, other comments or questions before you want to make any kind of all the person kind of

[2:09:45] you're also right in Serenna, Felgis.

[2:09:47] What about timing?

[2:09:48] Oh, the timing for the NFL draft.

[2:09:51] I would love to say that we would be able to get this done in particular, we would be a hotel

[2:09:54] for the NFL draft.

[2:09:57] I really hesitate to say that that's really even feasible at this point in time.

[2:10:02] We're talking about some outline terms today, even if we push the goal button in the next

[2:10:08] 60 to 90 days, we'd be 90 days to draw plans, 90 days to permit it, and then realistically

[2:10:15] in today's world, with lead times for a lot of our electrical gear and appliances and

[2:10:23] and just the general backup and the construction industry, we're looking at probably 12 of the

[2:10:28] 18 months to build one of these buildings. It's in 2025.

[2:10:34] So you want to go to the full session now and talk about this or what?

[2:10:39] Did you have anything else?

[2:10:40] All the person coming here?

[2:10:42] Anyone else have any questions?

[2:10:43] All the person handsome?

[2:10:44] Yeah, in terms of the timeline, in Daniel's memo, it's kind of staggered.

[2:10:49] Some 24, 25, 26, 27.

[2:10:51] Just kind of wondering, your thought process behind that?

[2:10:55] Well, the reason that we, you know, I guess I'll back up a little bit.

[2:10:58] When we first started this project, we were looking at doing, you know,

[2:11:01] one to two significantly larger structures

[2:11:03] and having the mixed uses be kind of baked

[2:11:06] into a larger structure as the world changed a little bit

[2:11:11] with construction pricing as also the cost of interest

[2:11:14] and some of the overall economic uncertainty

[2:11:17] that's been, I guess, present in recent years.

[2:11:21] We decided that it made more sense for us

[2:11:23] to pull back the scale of the project

[2:11:25] and to, you know, number one,

[2:11:27] to respect the scale of the neighborhood in the downtown.

[2:11:29] And number two to make each individual project a little less of a hurdle to get into the ground and out of the ground also allow us to react a little bit more quickly to changes in the market.

[2:11:43] And keeping all of these projects a little bit more bite size rather than a full meal, I think will allow us to actually proceed through the site with a little more consistency.

[2:11:58] and really get the first project, you know, focus on the first project and get it going sooner

[2:12:03] than it would if we were to, you know, have one larger project here.

[2:12:07] And the aesthetics of the buildings, they look similar to one or two on Broadway.

[2:12:11] Yeah, I mean, I think that if you take a look at the 102 if you look at the projects that I recently

[2:12:17] completed in downtown Ableton and downtown Nina, I think you'll see some design similarities.

[2:12:23] I'm a believer in having some fairly classic lines to things with some classic materials.

[2:12:30] And I like to build projects that look like they've been there for a while.

[2:12:35] And that look like they're going to fit in for 50 years, at least after that.

[2:12:40] Generations.

[2:12:42] For generations.

[2:12:43] Correct, for generations.

[2:12:45] Keep that going.

[2:12:47] The theme of the night.

[2:12:48] You have the keeps on giving.

[2:12:49] Yeah.

[2:12:51] All the person answered?

[2:12:52] I'm good.

[2:12:53] You're good.

[2:12:53] Shayna's got it.

[2:12:54] By the way, since we get a lot of emails and phone calls regarding the Shopco Building,

[2:12:57] of course it's going to come down so you can publicly state right now the Shopco

[2:13:01] Building's coming down because I get suggestions for all kinds of things in that building.

[2:13:04] Provided we come to terms in a development agreement.

[2:13:07] Shopco Building will come in.

[2:13:07] Based over seeing that generally is the general.

[2:13:10] Yeah, you say you want to go and go down.

[2:13:11] Yeah.

[2:13:12] You want to go to a closed session.

[2:13:13] Halloween Express.

[2:13:15] Yeah, that's his favorite one.

[2:13:17] That's what he always said.

[2:13:20] So just to get that out there for the general public right now.

[2:13:23] All the person left.

[2:13:24] That was my question.

[2:13:26] It says in here raised shop co-building prior January 1st, 2024.

[2:13:30] That would be our goal.

[2:13:31] Awesome.

[2:13:33] Thank you.

[2:13:34] Sorry about that all the person left and I'm sorry.

[2:13:37] I'll give you any other questions that we have.

[2:13:39] Jason's right here.

[2:13:41] Jason, any else that you want to offer while we're in open session?

[2:13:45] Just want to, you know, first of all,

[2:13:47] It's always a pleasure to work with the City of Defear.

[2:13:50] Dan's been working tirelessly on this project.

[2:13:53] You know, really appreciate his assistance.

[2:13:54] This doesn't happen without him.

[2:13:56] It's a great community to work with.

[2:13:58] We have great staff and, you know, terrific community.

[2:14:01] And thank you for your support on this.

[2:14:04] Thank you very much.

[2:14:05] Thank you.

[2:14:05] Thank you to all of you.

[2:14:07] It's great interest that you have in the site

[2:14:08] and all that you're doing so far.

[2:14:11] Anybody else?

[2:14:12] All right.

[2:14:13] I need a motion that to go back for extra moves.

[2:14:15] Second.

[2:14:15] Motion by all the person who asked second by all the person led me to go back to regular session all those in favor say I

[2:14:22] Pose motion carries thank you we're back in regular session right now

[2:14:26] We do have a motion and we do have a second on the terms and the project so any additional questions end or comments all the person

[2:14:34] Gants I just want to say thank you for putting all your hard work in the way

[2:14:38] And I think it looks great and we're excited and I'm sure the communities kind of be excited

[2:14:44] It's been a while, so everyone is like, what are you doing with that chopper?

[2:14:48] What's going in there? So we're excited. Thank you.

[2:14:58] Exactly.

[2:15:02] Any additional comments, then, door discussion?

[2:15:06] All right, seeing there is none, first step moving on right now. That said, all those in favor, say aye, a post, motion carries. Thank you, step one. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you. So what is Facebook?

[2:15:21] I don't know what that is for that.

[2:15:25] The Facebook.

[2:15:26] Well, for the candidates.

[2:15:28] The truth and I.

[2:15:29] I don't know what that is.

[2:15:30] All right.

[2:15:31] Now we officially will be going to close session for this next item.

[2:15:35] We have to correct.

[2:15:36] So now I'm going to go with the legal East stuff.

[2:15:39] I'm sure you get the motion.

[2:15:40] I'm going to get them first and then say this.

[2:15:41] We need a motion to go on to.

[2:15:43] I'll read this first.

[2:15:44] We'll first.

[2:15:45] You can ask you.

[2:15:46] All right.

[2:15:47] I will say the item is 32 consideration

[2:15:50] and possible action of fire department pay claims, me read.

[2:15:54] Please take notice that the council may convene a close session for agenda item now 32,

[2:16:00] for soon to any of the following provisions on the Wisconsin Statue 1985 L. For the purpose

[2:16:05] of deliberating or negotiating the purchasing of public properties, the investing in public

[2:16:10] funds, or conducting other specified public business, whenever competitive or bargaining reasons

[2:16:15] require a closed session and, for conferring, with legal counsel who is rendering oral or

[2:16:21] written advice concerning strategy to be adopted by the council, with respect to litigation

[2:16:25] in which it is or is likely to become involved, the council may then reconvene thereafter

[2:16:31] in open session, pursuant to Wisconsin Statue Section 1985-2 to report the results of the

[2:16:37] closed session, and consider the balance of the agenda I would now entertain a motion.

[2:16:42] Make the motion to go into closed session. Motion by all the person rash second by all the person gants

[2:16:49] Role call vote please

[2:16:50] All the person carpenter. All right. Gants. I

[2:16:53] Gants in I

[2:16:54] Coney girl. Hi, Ludvina. Hi. I

[2:16:57] Ferock. Hi. Wiggly. Hi. Rash. Hi. Please take notice that this media will be locked for the closed session

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[2:17:25] Jamie, I've done it. I've read it. You can now do it.

[2:17:30] Thank you.

[2:17:33] We're all set.

[2:17:35] No.

[2:17:36] There's a way to

[2:17:37] I'm going to take a break so I don't like that much.

[2:17:40] All right.

[2:17:43] This conference will now be recorded back on all mics around we are now back in regular session and I'd entertain a motion on item thirty two consideration possible action on fire department pay claims

[2:17:58] I will make a motion to approve this settlement as proposed motion by all the person by all the person dance any additional discussion and door comments

[2:18:08] Seeing there is none.

[2:18:10] Roll call, vote, please.

[2:18:11] All the person, Hansen.

[2:18:12] Conigur.

[2:18:13] Let me know.

[2:18:15] Peerock.

[2:18:15] Aye.

[2:18:16] Quickly.

[2:18:16] Aye.

[2:18:20] Motion carries.

[2:18:21] Thank you.

[2:18:22] Item 33.

[2:18:24] I'd entertain a motion to adjourn.

[2:18:27] So moved.

[2:18:28] Second.

[2:18:29] Motion, all the person, quickly, second, all the person, Peerock.

[2:18:32] All those in favor say aye.

[2:18:35] Opposed.

[2:18:35] Motion carries. Thank you, we're officially adjourned. Thank you everybody.

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