[0:06] At this time, we'll call to order the regular meeting of common council. This is July 18, 2023. Carry roll please.

[0:13] Other person, carpenter?

[0:15] Present.

[0:15] Gantz?

[0:16] Here.

[0:16] Hansen?

[0:17] Here.

[0:17] Cunninger?

[0:18] Present.

[0:19] Ledvinna?

[0:19] Here.

[0:20] Pirok?

[0:20] Here.

[0:21] Quigley?

[0:21] Here.

[0:22] Rash?

[0:23] I'm here.

[0:24] Mayor Boyd?

[0:25] I'm here as well. Thank you. Item two, Pledge of Allegiance to the flag.

[0:30] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands.

[0:36] one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

[0:49] Item 3, approval of the minutes of the June 20th, 2023, Common Council meeting.

[0:55] Make a motion to approve.

[0:56] Second.

[0:57] Motion by Alderperson Carpenter.

[0:58] Second.

[0:59] Second by Alderperson Ledman.

[1:00] Any discussion or comments?

[1:02] Seeing there is none.

[1:04] All those in favor, say aye.

[1:06] Aye.

[1:07] Opposed?

[1:08] Motion carries.

[1:09] Thank you.

[1:09] Item 4 public hearing on the amendment of chapter 14 zoning ordinance of the

[1:15] deep-hear municipal code including updates to the official zoning district map

[1:20] will the clerk please read the notice. The notice of public hearing was

[1:25] published in the press times on June 30th and July 7th 2023. Thank you

[1:30] recommendation from staff Dan. Thank You Mayor. In June the Planning

[1:35] Commission heard from staff regarding the second quarter of edits.

[1:39] As you remember, once we adopted the new zoning coding in December of last year for effective

[1:44] January 1 of this year, we knew that there was going to be growing pains and this is

[1:48] the second quarter of that one where we're finding just some small corrections, some

[1:51] typographical errors and a variety of other small things that we found over the first

[1:56] few months that we probably need to finesse and just massage out a little bit.

[1:59] So in that, the Planning Commission recommended approval of 32 zoning ordinance revisions.

[2:05] And when you see 32, it's not really doesn't look that big because when you make a change

[2:09] in one chart, it sort of makes its way through the multiple other charts.

[2:12] And so even though it says 32, from a content standpoint, it isn't that many.

[2:16] And then also five zoning map revisions.

[2:18] As we went through last year, we have about 8,000, 9,000 properties in the city.

[2:24] We're finding a couple little pockets here and there of one that should have been

[2:27] classified appropriately.

[2:29] And so these are what those corrections are.

[2:31] So we can go through them individually if you'd like.

[2:33] but with that the Plan Commission recommended approval of the zoning text

[2:37] change as well as the zoning map provisions. I would like to make one

[2:40] point that was included in your packet that was a deviation from the Plan

[2:45] Commission is the staff is recommending a small change to the facade

[2:50] requirements for single-family homes and duplex homes that was included in your

[2:54] packet. So our goal with that one is to address that at a later date after

[2:59] we've had some additional time to investigate a little bit further with

[3:02] as some of our builders who were objecting still

[3:04] to that language.

[3:05] With that one, we are sort of making the correction

[3:07] to that facade language, but we'd like to still evaluate it

[3:11] for further investigation into the future.

[3:15] Thank you.

[3:16] At this time, I declare the public hearing open.

[3:18] Anyone in the audience or virtually want to speak

[3:20] on this item on the agenda now is your time.

[3:23] So if anyone in the public wants to speak

[3:25] on this item on the agenda, item four,

[3:28] either raise your hand in the audience

[3:30] or virtually just state your name.

[3:34] For the second time, anyone in the public

[3:36] want to speak on this item on the agenda,

[3:39] state your name, either virtually

[3:40] if you're out there or in person.

[3:43] For the third and final time,

[3:44] anyone want to make a comment

[3:46] regarding this item on the agenda

[3:47] while the hearing is open?

[3:50] Seeing there is none,

[3:51] I declare the public hearing closed

[3:53] and when I entertain a motion,

[3:55] so if you have questions we can ask them.

[3:57] I make a motion to approve.

[3:59] Motion by Alderperson Rash, second by Alderperson Pirak.

[4:03] Any discussion or comments?

[4:07] Seeing there is none, all those in favor, say aye.

[4:11] Aye.

[4:12] Opposed?

[4:13] Motion carries.

[4:14] Thank you.

[4:15] Item five.

[4:17] Public hearing on a request to rezone parcels WD-534, WD-535, WD-531, WD-536 at 822-828

[4:29] Main Avenue and 823-827 Oak Street from R1-45 single dwelling detached to MX-3

[4:39] corridor mix use. Can the clerk please read the notice of the public hearing. The

[4:44] public hearing was published in the press times on June 30th and July 7th

[4:49] 2023. Thank you staff recommendation please. Thank you Mayor. At the June

[4:53] Plan Commission meeting the Plan Commission also heard from an

[4:56] applicant to rezone the four parcels as you mentioned on Main Avenue.

[5:00] Purpose behind that is to transition from the single family

[5:04] and rental properties that you do see there to a commercial use

[5:08] in line with our comprehensive plan, our existing comprehensive plan.

[5:12] So as you see on the map there, you can see the four homes that are identified in between Johnson Bank

[5:15] as well as the pharmacy. So you see those four homes.

[5:19] A small clip that you see there on the side is from the comprehensive plan future land use map,

[5:24] which is this area was designated for commercial redevelopment so that is in

[5:28] line with the comprehensive plan as such the plan commission recommended

[5:32] approval thank you at this time I'll declare the public hearing open for this

[5:37] item on the agenda if anyone wants to speak on this item just raise your hand

[5:41] either in person or virtually now is your time while the public hearing is

[5:46] open for the second time anyone want to speak on this item on the agenda

[5:52] agenda while the public hearing is open regarding item 5. For the third and final time, if anyone

[6:00] wants to speak on this item on the agenda while the public hearing is open, just raise

[6:04] your hand or state your name.

[6:08] It appears there is no one, so at this time I declare the

[6:11] public hearing closed and would entertain a motion.

[6:13] I'll make a motion to approve.

[6:15] Second.

[6:16] Motion by Alderperson Rash, second by Alderperson Carpenter. Any discussion or comments?

[6:21] Alderperson Hanson.

[6:22] Can you just talk about the current single-family homes, including on Oak Street 823 and 827?

[6:31] The four that are under discussion here tonight?

[6:34] Yeah, I assume they're going to be raised, but who owns them right now?

[6:37] It's owned by one single entity. The applicant is representing them tonight.

[6:42] The intention is to remove them and turn that into another financial institution to serve the greater-to-peer community.

[6:50] And with our new website that was posted, you should be able to track the site plan process as it works its way through.

[6:57] And then 831 to 847, I know it's not part of this, but on that map for future land use, is that also supposed to eventually be commercial?

[7:07] It's slated for future commercial, but it's completely up to the owners of those properties to understand if they wish to have redevelopment on their property at such time.

[7:17] but at this point it is remained to stay at the single-family zoning classification.

[7:22] But COMP plan did show commercial redevelopment on them as well,

[7:25] so they could request a rezoning in the future if they so choose.

[7:28] Thank you. Other questions or comments?

[7:33] Seeing there is none, all those in favor, say aye.

[7:38] Opposed? Motion carries.

[7:41] Thank you. Item 6, public comment upon matters not on the agenda.

[7:46] The comments made during the public comment period shall pertain only to matters under

[7:51] the jurisdiction of the Common Council.

[7:53] So at this time, if anyone has a public comment upon matters not on the agenda in the audience,

[7:57] if you want to raise your hand and come up and speak, come on up.

[8:02] Mary Jane will have you give us your name and address.

[8:05] You know how this thing works.

[8:06] Because we're sitting on 33 items on the agenda, we will adhere to our five-minute

[8:10] rule yet.

[8:23] I'm here to say that the City Council, I've just come from the Village Board in Allaway

[8:32] that met at 6.30, I'm here now.

[8:35] something has got to be done about the deer population in this community.

[8:41] Between, I talked to a friend, I'm tired of having my yard be their bedding.

[8:49] I'm tired of having my flowers, my tomato plants, everything just chomped off.

[8:56] Last year, I've been in my house since October of 2006,

[9:01] And I talked to one of the neighbors and it's only the last five or six years

[9:05] This has really gotten to be a problem last year

[9:08] I deliberately did not pull out any of the stems of the day lilies that got chomped off and you can tell when a flower

[9:16] Has come to fruition and the buds have blossomed and just fallen off and you can tell when the deer have come

[9:24] Because day lilies are tall. It's not the bunnies. Okay. I had

[9:30] 350 stems. So if you figure there's three, four, five, six buds per stem, we're talking

[9:38] about a thousand flowers. The neighbors are losing tomato plants. We've got deer, they're

[9:45] pooping in our yards, they're all over the place. And I talked to a friend who's very

[9:50] active with the DNR and is on several committees and he told me about a week ago that the

[9:58] The optimum for deer population in this country is 6 per square mile.

[10:03] Well, that's obviously in downtown Los Angeles, they don't have a lot of deer, but that means that that count is over in Colorado.

[10:11] In Wisconsin, we have 35 to 40 deer per square mile according to the DNR figures.

[10:20] The property at the Abbey is a quarter of a mile square, 160 acres, a square mile 640.

[10:29] 160 acres, I can tell you that there's 35 to 40 deer on that property

[10:35] because there are times that I come home from work along Webster

[10:38] and I can count 20 driving 30 miles an hour.

[10:43] We've got too many deer in Easty Pier.

[10:46] I'm part of it because of the trail. I understand that. But between the pier and

[10:52] ledge view and Bellevue and Allaway and Green Bay, we've got to do something about

[10:58] that deer population. It is far too large in terms of the acreage that there

[11:03] is. And the other problem is because of the speed limit on

[11:11] both Riverside and Webster, and it's 30 miles an hour. Some people are doing 25, some people

[11:17] are doing 40, but because of that speed limit and what's happening is we're not losing any

[11:25] deer because there's 55, 60. If you were out on 29 or 54 or one of those, there'd

[11:32] be a lot more deer that are getting bumped off and a lot more damage to cars. Well

[11:37] But really, think about it, people, if you're driving 30 miles an hour and a deer comes

[11:42] out in front of you, you can break and miss it and it can miss you.

[11:47] And so we don't have as many dead deer as we would if it was 5560 on Riverside Drive.

[11:53] And I call Brad laying from Allaway frequently below Woodlawn Cemetery down in there where

[12:00] that ravine is, and call him and say, Brad, I don't know who takes care of this,

[12:04] but there's another dead deer down there.

[12:05] And I've done it for the last two or three years, that there's deer laying in that piece.

[12:12] And it's partly because when people come down off a riverside, there's that dip and that little hill,

[12:18] and they're out there and they don't have the sight line like you do on Webster or the rest of Riverside Drive.

[12:25] We have to do something about it.

[12:27] I am tired of having the neighbors tell me about their tomato plants.

[12:32] I'm tired of looking out the window and seeing them eating other people's flowers, etc.

[12:41] And the problem is, is that most people won't make the effort to come here and say it.

[12:46] I'm here tonight telling you there's too many deer on the Abbey property.

[12:51] I'm prepared to give that young frotter or priest or whoever he is a couple of years ago

[12:57] that everybody, oh Bambi! Bambi baloney! I'm ready to buy a deer tag and give him

[13:04] another one and let him have another deer because I've had it. I don't want to

[13:09] take out my flower bed and put in grass. We don't want that. Think about it this

[13:15] way guys. We're talking about bees and the fact that bees are going away but

[13:21] we're going to eliminate the flower beds because we can't figure out what

[13:25] to do with the deer. So we aren't going to have bees, but we're going to have deer that

[13:31] are a problem. That doesn't make sense. So that's my point of being here. Please work

[13:38] together with these other communities and figure out what to do about this deer population.

[13:45] That's it.

[13:46] Thank you. Thank you, Mary Jane.

[13:49] Anyone else in the audience have public comment upon

[13:56] public comment upon matters not on the agenda.

[13:59] For the third and final time,

[14:01] anyone having public comment upon matters not on the agenda.

[14:05] All right, thank you again.

[14:08] Item seven, proclamation for the 100th birthday

[14:11] of Clayton E. Colb,

[14:13] has been unfortunately moved to a later meeting,

[14:15] so we will not do that tonight.

[14:17] Item eight, Green Bay Transit Presentation

[14:22] on their services for deep-hear residents.

[14:25] Patty's here somewhere. There's Patty.

[14:28] Hi, very good thank you.

[14:34] Well thank you for

[14:37] inviting me. I appreciate it. I think it's been a little bit. Hey one second

[14:40] Patty, they're just going to find your presentation. It

[14:46] wasn't in PowerPoint. It

[14:50] whatever it is you're handling it so we're good to go screw it up just give

[14:55] me the signal well thank you I think it's been a little while since I've

[15:00] So, I appreciate Larry inviting me out here to kind of explain where things are at with

[15:06] Green Bay Metro. We've had a lot of changes over the last few years, a lot that really

[15:10] has impacted the city of deep here. So, with that, I just wanted to kind of give an overview

[15:16] of how we're doing things today and I'm happy to answer any questions at the end that

[15:20] there may be. So, if you want to flip me to the next screen there. Awesome. So, back

[15:27] Back in 2020, of course, we've all had, you know, went through a lot of changes.

[15:33] We took our traditional fixed route paratransit system, and we kind of revamped and added an

[15:39] additional mode of transportation.

[15:41] So that brings us to providing three different modes of public transit to the communities.

[15:46] And that's the traditional fixed route bus, which is true that is that traditional

[15:51] fixed route bus is no longer in the city of DPR, but we also have paratransit.

[15:56] that is for qualified disabled individuals. And then we have our new microtransit, which

[16:02] is our on-demand service. And so I'll talk a little bit about that as we go forward,

[16:06] but that's really the main service that, along with Pair Transit, that covers your community.

[16:11] So with that, this kind of gives you an overview of our whole service area. And

[16:18] so really what we did back in 2019, the Transit Commission had approved a consultant

[16:25] to come in and look at an additional motor transportation for us, which is the on-demand

[16:30] service. And one of the reasons for that is the traditional bus would provide service

[16:34] from about 5.15 in the morning till about 10.45 at night. And I'm probably not telling

[16:39] you all anything new that some of those buses in the evening were not very heavily used.

[16:45] So what we really wanted to do is make sure that we were meeting the demand of

[16:48] the community but kind of doing it in the most efficient way that we could in most

[16:53] time-effective. So we brought in a consultant, we kind of redid, we really

[16:58] started with a plain map, started over from the beginning and with all the great

[17:03] technology that we have in place we're able to tell where people are getting on,

[17:07] where they're getting off, where they're utilizing the services and so that's

[17:10] really what we did and we worked very closely with Brown County Planning who

[17:13] serves as our Metropolitan Planning Organization and so we worked with them

[17:17] and really kind of looked at things and said where are people using it

[17:20] in where is the need.

[17:21] And so what we did with that is we circled the fixed route system all around that because

[17:27] obviously the most cost effective system is to be able to use fixed route buses where

[17:32] those numbers are.

[17:33] And then we really wanted to make sure that we were servicing those other areas that

[17:38] didn't have a high ridership but yet needed transportation for third shift workers and

[17:43] those types of things.

[17:44] So that's where we really kind of took microtransit which is an on demand service

[17:48] that I'm going to explain.

[17:49] And really we use that to complement the existing service.

[17:53] So our service map looks a little different here.

[17:57] There might be a little bit challenging for you to see from a distance,

[18:00] but all the colored routes are the traditional fixed route service that is provided.

[18:04] And then that yellow area that's around the whole service area, that is all paratransit.

[18:09] As you can see, that is really changed for the city of DPR,

[18:13] and that is because of the on-demand service.

[18:16] So an on-demand service is really very, very similar to a public version of Uber and Lyft.

[18:21] So you can book it via phone or you can book it versus an on an app.

[18:27] And our response time, we like to really say we want to be there within about 20 minutes.

[18:32] We're averaging about 13 minutes right now.

[18:34] And that was as of yesterday morning.

[18:36] So we are on target for those rides.

[18:38] And what happens is all of those are ADA accessible trips as well.

[18:43] So regulations change for us a little bit with that different mode of transportation,

[18:48] which is why you don't see that bubble quite as large.

[18:52] Just so you know that bubble is a little bit smaller than previously,

[18:56] it covered a little bit more area of DPR.

[18:59] However, anybody that was previously approved for that paratransit

[19:03] did not, none of their services changed.

[19:06] But anybody within any of those zones can use that on-demand service.

[19:11] And, you know, and those are all ADA accessible.

[19:15] They are, it's provided us the option to provide additional service hours, which is really nice.

[19:22] And, so if you want to just go to, I don't, this is just kind of real briefly, of course,

[19:28] we cover, of course, the City of Green Bay and the City of Deep here, but then Allaway,

[19:31] Ashwabanan, and Bellevue in those services cover all of those areas.

[19:35] And so the on-demand service has really come into play with portions of Green Bay,

[19:41] but with all of DPR and a lot of Bellevue and portions of Allaway and Ashwabbanon as well.

[19:48] And so it really has allowed, we've redesigned that system to utilize the outskirt area to be that on-demand service

[19:56] and really funnel people in to transfer points to utilize the fixed route.

[20:00] So in any of those areas where ridership is high and we see that high demand,

[20:04] We really want to be bringing people in to utilize those buses to do that

[20:09] So with that if you want to go to the next a lot of people

[20:12] I will say when we went through this transition and I know I've talked to many folks as we went through this

[20:18] there were a lot of questions completely new system and

[20:22] So a lot of people were very confused by this and a lot of people that first reaction

[20:28] Was and I promised my kids did not draw this picture

[20:31] And so a lot of people kept saying, oh my gosh, she took away the bus.

[20:36] And truly, the bus is the traditional 35, 40-foot bus is gone.

[20:41] I will tell you I have other areas that want all-on-demand service

[20:45] like the city of DPR as well, because it's really a sweet system.

[20:48] And so we really expanded that a lot since the initial,

[20:52] because we really did a pilot first and we continue to expand that.

[20:55] And so when people say, I just can't go where I used to be able to go,

[20:59] So this is a map that Brown County Planning had put together.

[21:03] This is truly places you can go just on demand service without utilizing the fixed route

[21:09] at all.

[21:10] You can travel from those zones.

[21:13] So just to give an example, for, say, Sybil Hop School, they utilize our services quite

[21:19] a bit.

[21:20] If they were wanting to go out to, say, NWTC area or that Walmart area, those

[21:26] types of things, they can really just take microtransit from here to there.

[21:30] Instead of getting on a bus, going down to the transit center, transferring and then taking

[21:35] another bus out to Walmart.

[21:36] So there's a lot of different options they can really transfer amongst those zones.

[21:41] So there is a learning curve.

[21:44] So I think that we've been really fortunate to work with Brown County Planning and we

[21:48] have a full-time coordinator that she really, that's what she does.

[21:52] She goes around.

[21:53] She does tons of presentations at all different agencies and schools and groups and really

[21:58] teaches them how to utilize all the modes of transportation.

[22:01] The on-demand service has really been a huge benefit with our paratransit.

[22:05] If you see numbers that go through and we'll talk a little bit about that, paratransit

[22:11] has really declined in cost and numbers.

[22:13] And one of the biggest reasons for that is that people are able to use the on-demand

[22:18] service.

[22:18] And it's much more cost effective even for a disabled client to utilize on demand.

[22:24] So, you know, for an on demand, if you're an elderly or disabled person and you are

[22:28] purchasing a 30-day pass at $29, you can utilize that on the fixed route bus or you

[22:35] can utilize that on this demand service.

[22:37] So it's unlimited rides for 30 days for $29.

[22:41] Paratransit for individuals that need to utilize that service, it's $4 one way.

[22:46] So if you're having to go to the doctor and back, it's $8 just for one trip, and that's the cash fare,

[22:51] and those are all regulated by the Federal Transit Administration.

[22:55] So expanding the microtransit zones are really beneficial for individuals that are able to utilize the microtransit service.

[23:02] They are all ADA accessible, so if you're using mobility devices and things like that, you still can use this service.

[23:08] And we do have some really neat things in place for individuals that have some challenges with utilizing that.

[23:15] that we put them on, it's kind of behind the scenes.

[23:18] We call it kind of like this wait list

[23:20] that we can put them on and really give them

[23:22] a door-to-door option versus a corner-to-corner,

[23:24] which on demand usually ends up being.

[23:27] So I wanted to provide you all, thank you.

[23:30] This is an overall for 2024 estimate for budget.

[23:34] Just wanted to share this, this is not concrete,

[23:37] so Pam, don't run with this quite yet, but close.

[23:40] So this is overall generally speaking,

[23:42] I've been with transit just about 20 years now

[23:45] and then unfortunately the number doesn't go up a whole lot so but I will tell

[23:49] you that as you can see we sit about eight and a half million or so dollar

[23:54] budget and the federal and state portion really covers the majority of our budget.

[24:00] The local share which is covered by all of our partnering communities ends up

[24:05] being a little under 2.2 million, 2.1 actually on here so just to kind of

[24:11] you where these numbers come in, DPR's estimate is about 140,000. Just so to give you all enough,

[24:19] just kind of how that works is we kind of estimate your portion on if we utilize all of our dollars.

[24:25] How transit works is we have to end zero every year, which I don't like. I'm sure

[24:30] you all like it. I think you just got to check, right, Larry? Very nice probably.

[24:36] Yeah, 81,000.

[24:40] So, yeah, it wasn't payable, great to.

[24:45] But anyway, so what ends up happening is transit needs to end at zero each year.

[24:50] And so when we get audited in the beginning of every year,

[24:53] any dollars that are left over are reimbursed to each community the same way they paid in.

[24:57] So if we end up coming in below budget, that all benefits you all.

[25:02] We are not allowed to hang on to any of those dollars.

[25:04] So they all go back to the federal and state, which I tell you we do use all of their money.

[25:10] So that's kind of how that piece works.

[25:14] You know, paratransit and fuel ends up being the big two numbers that are always challenging for us that we cannot control.

[25:23] Paratransit, you know, trips cannot be denied there, so we have no control over the number of those trips.

[25:28] And I'm sure you all would like to control fuel costs just as much as I would.

[25:32] So those are really big, the two big numbers that can make us fluctuate quite a bit.

[25:37] In addition to the last couple of years, we've had some excess dollars that we've been able

[25:42] to utilize through some of the COVID funding, which is where you guys have really seen

[25:47] a huge benefit back.

[25:49] So a little bit on the on demand, I really wanted to focus on some numbers because

[25:53] I'm sure I was going to be asked that.

[25:55] So just really who utilizes the on-demand out, you know, for your community, really, you know,

[26:02] Symbol Hoppe utilizes that a lot to the various areas that they go, they can really, you know,

[26:08] book that now by an app instead of having to utilize the fixed route service,

[26:14] which was typically an hour route.

[26:16] So they were always having to schedule around that.

[26:20] In addition, we do provide quite a few trips out to Walmart and to other employers

[26:24] in the community as well as to medical appointments.

[26:28] I did pull some data.

[26:29] This really goes from January 1 of this year to July 9.

[26:33] And so one of the things that with the software that we have,

[26:39] we can really get specific on rides.

[26:41] So from DPR to non-DPR rides first,

[26:44] and this is strictly for the on-demand service,

[26:48] because once they get onto a fixed route,

[26:49] I mean, they go all over and the fixed route is not a DPR,

[26:51] so I did not bring any of those numbers with.

[26:54] But for individuals that are in DPR that are going,

[26:58] that are coming to DPR from non-DPR area,

[27:01] so whether they're in L.A. or Ashwabana,

[27:03] and they're coming to your community,

[27:05] so for those first little over six months or so,

[27:07] that number's right around 2,500.

[27:09] It was like 2,496, is where that number sets.

[27:12] So for non-DPR community members,

[27:16] two non-DPR community members from DPR,

[27:19] you're looking at about 3,000.

[27:20] And so it was about five below that.

[27:22] So it's approximately 3,000.

[27:24] And we can get specifically exactly where those rides are

[27:28] to, if that information is ever requested.

[27:31] And then from individuals just indie peer,

[27:35] staying indie peer, that number is right around 1,400.

[27:38] So that's kind of where we're seeing this year so far.

[27:42] I will tell you that ridership is continuously going up

[27:46] before the pandemic, Green Bay Metro averaged about 1.3 million rides per year,

[27:53] and that was really just fixed route services.

[27:57] Now it's a little bit unique with the additional motor transit,

[28:00] so we're at about 800,000.

[28:01] We continue to see that number climb.

[28:04] It's very different services now than what it was.

[28:08] We do meet on a monthly basis to discuss all of the on-demand ridership.

[28:13] I will tell you that every single month and for the last year the numbers have just been

[28:18] set higher and higher every single month.

[28:20] So we have not seen that down.

[28:22] It just continues to increase.

[28:24] I think one of the biggest things that we do get asked is if we could get it there

[28:29] sooner.

[28:29] I will tell you that fixed route services is about 30 minutes.

[28:34] So for, you know, we're averaging about that 12, 13 minutes right now.

[28:40] That's pretty good service.

[28:41] We can decrease that, but when we decrease that,

[28:45] that means we need to put more vehicles on the road,

[28:47] which of course, you know, comes to cost.

[28:49] So we do try to have a really close,

[28:51] you know, really cautious balance to that.

[28:54] All right. And so with that,

[28:57] I'm happy to take any questions.

[28:58] I can stay and talk all night long if you'd like,

[29:01] but I'm happy to answer any questions.

[29:03] Sure. They love that. All right.

[29:04] We'll take it. Thank you, Pat.

[29:05] Any questions that we have?

[29:06] All the person rash.

[29:08] Yeah. And I appreciate you coming back.

[29:09] I did I mean I requested that we just get an update. I'm just hearing you know

[29:14] some things in the community about how this works and it's not responsive it

[29:17] is you know I'm sure you hear some of those things as well. I do. So I do

[29:21] appreciate you bringing this up and sharing a lot of your numbers. The that

[29:26] that helps I mean so if you look at those numbers you're talking close to

[29:29] almost 7,000 rides just from the beginning of the year in and out of and

[29:34] around in Depear so that's pretty good. I appreciated the responsiveness

[29:37] it was on my questions. So being 13 minutes, some of the things I've heard is it takes

[29:42] a long time for the micro bus to show up. And then I guess my question is the kind of outreach

[29:49] in the community to help people understand this better. I know it's hard to do. But

[29:54] if there's more of that that can be done, obviously it's appreciated. The app, how

[29:59] What is the app work?

[30:00] Is it like an Uber type of thing where you're just making the request and then they'll tell

[30:04] you when that person is going to show up or how does that?

[30:06] It's just like it. You can see your vehicle. You can see your response time. I will tell

[30:11] you that I personally use it in the evening for dinners just because it's my way home

[30:16] then. And so I will tell you that I can go in, I can book that trip. I will see one vehicle

[30:23] that's going to be here in 23 minutes and I can see one that will be here in 5 minutes.

[30:27] Okay, and then you can select what option works for you now because that that driver may be on break that driver might just be

[30:33] Dropping somebody else off. So, you know, what I always tell people is if you see a high response

[30:38] I would tell you to go back in and rebook every time that you know in the beginning

[30:43] I will tell you we had a lot of questions because this is a completely different service for our community

[30:47] I will tell you that the on-demand service that Green Bay Metro did is the first in the state of Wisconsin for microtransit

[30:53] So it's very completely different for our folks.

[30:56] And I will tell you that every time somebody makes a trip,

[30:59] I can go in, I can see exactly where they were

[31:02] when they booked that trip.

[31:04] Sometimes they're not in the zone,

[31:06] which those are things that over the past two years,

[31:10] we've really kind of tweaked that.

[31:12] And we can adjust that.

[31:14] That's easy stuff for us to adjust.

[31:16] Back in the day of fixed route,

[31:18] when you'd say, okay, hey, we have a new employer

[31:20] and we really need to reach out to this employer,

[31:21] So that's challenging to be able to extend a fixed route.

[31:25] With microtransit, we can make those modifications very easily in expand service.

[31:30] And so, you know, honestly, I don't get a lot of complaints that have been validated.

[31:37] Sometimes it's really, you know, individuals learning how to use it and booking their

[31:43] trip.

[31:44] You know, the on demand has really given us the ability to extend and provide

[31:48] longer services.

[31:50] You know, where we would never.

[31:51] Right now, Monday through Friday, we operate until 11.30.

[31:53] We would never be able to provide transportation services that late.

[31:57] And not that there's a high demand, but there are people that do need to get to third shift

[32:01] employment and those types of things.

[32:03] And so that's an option for us to provide that at a lot less cost than what we've been

[32:07] able to.

[32:08] So Andrea is our mobility coordinator.

[32:12] She is out all over at various agencies.

[32:16] I'm more than happy to get her connected up with anybody.

[32:18] She meets people individually in the communities to go and teach them how to, you know, book

[32:24] their rides.

[32:25] She'll meet them out at their stop, help them do all of those things.

[32:28] She is at all sorts.

[32:30] She has ongoing standard meetings monthly with human service, you know, agencies and

[32:36] all sorts of things.

[32:37] So I'm happy to get her connected up with anything.

[32:39] I did bring some information to you because I figured there would be some questions

[32:42] on how to do that, but our website is a great tool.

[32:46] It really goes through how to set that up.

[32:48] There's videos on there.

[32:50] So there's a lot of really neat things.

[32:51] So I would say if there's anybody that do have any challenges,

[32:54] please connect them up with me because we want to make sure we can help with them.

[32:58] Okay. And then real quick, one quick question,

[33:01] one maybe a little bit longer.

[33:02] And how many vehicles in the microtransit?

[33:04] We have 12.

[33:05] That's one of the unique things is that we use the same fleet

[33:09] for microtransit that we do with our paratransit.

[33:12] And so that's really given us the benefit to keep those numbers down.

[33:15] Okay, and then I think one of the the confusing pieces for some people is the

[33:20] zones like you might book your ride but you're not in the zone so you have to

[33:24] then walk to the zone area to pick up, right? Correct, and so that can be

[33:28] challenging and when we first did this that was one of our discussions is we

[33:32] didn't want to just have this huge open area and then all of a sudden have

[33:37] all this demand for these rides and then how do we pay for it how do we be

[33:42] able to manage that and so we were very cautious and we've been expanding as time goes on to

[33:48] make sure that you know I mean I think the goal is to stay within everybody's budgets

[33:53] and without an increase and we've really tried to focus on that if not you know reduce

[33:58] the local shares and so you know there's a balance in how we do that and I think

[34:05] that we can you know if there's areas that need service you know or developing

[34:10] areas and those types of things adding on demand is something that's very easily

[34:15] for us to be able to do that. Okay thank you. Thank you. All the person

[34:19] answering. Just a little more on the zones. Yes. So like Lible Street and

[34:24] La Bruin Street are a no-order, that's the right terminology, so even though

[34:31] that's outside of zone 3, the blue area on the map, they can go directly

[34:36] there any time? Is that how that works? Yes, they can go to any of those areas that are

[34:42] blue. Now the reason why you see select areas is because we based all of this on where we

[34:49] saw ridership being utilized. Instead of saying, okay, we're going to cover the whole city

[34:54] of deep here because then all of a sudden that's going to be an increase in numbers

[34:58] and I can tell you 12 vehicles would not meet our demand. So we really, when

[35:02] When we first implemented this mode of transit, we wanted to make sure that we were servicing

[35:07] those that were already using transit and where we saw people utilizing it.

[35:12] That's where all, this is all data driven.

[35:15] This is all where we saw people utilizing services.

[35:18] So our goal to start with was not to expand, it was really to make sure that we were

[35:23] meeting the current needs and we could go forward from there.

[35:26] So again, we picked up and dropped off anywhere in the zones or in any of those

[35:30] nodes.

[35:30] Correct.

[35:31] and typically what ends up happening is it will shoot you to a corner and the

[35:36] reason is because we run on time right? We don't want to have drivers driving up

[35:39] and down the street trying to look for a certain address. So if you live in the

[35:43] middle of the block it's going to shoot you to the corner to tell you to get

[35:45] picked up there. Again for individuals that have disabilities we can arrange

[35:50] that to make sure that that's door-to-door for you. And then we talked

[35:53] about this in January at a constituent by Optimist Park. He lives 1.7 miles

[35:58] from the high school so he doesn't qualify for the bussing.

[36:01] I just wanted to know if you could talk a little bit more about kind of the reasoning behind

[36:04] not bringing people to the schools. I know it's probably too much demand.

[36:08] And then also he was requesting right now the zone 2 ends on Webster.

[36:13] He would like to see that push further east to Lible Street,

[36:16] because then you could still get dropped off there and walk to the schools.

[36:19] Is that something that can be considered?

[36:21] So that is on our list.

[36:23] Next, we actually, we do get quite a few requests, and I will tell you that we have a committee

[36:29] that looks at these on a regular basis.

[36:31] There's some behind the scenes stuff that has to happen for us from a software perspective.

[36:35] I always think it can happen in five minutes, but they do tell me it takes a little bit

[36:38] more than that.

[36:40] So we do have a few items on the list, and I can double check, but I'm almost positive

[36:45] that one is on that list for that to happen in our next go around.

[36:48] We don't want to constantly be changing this once a month or something like that.

[36:52] So we really try to focus on maybe two or three times a year

[36:55] is what we're gonna try to be doing,

[36:57] but I'm almost positive.

[36:58] And I can respond back to you to make sure,

[36:59] but I do think that one is on that list.

[37:01] Back to the school,

[37:03] we do not wanna flood the service

[37:05] with providing students to school.

[37:07] I mean, typically that's where your school bus comes in

[37:10] because I will tell you

[37:11] that if we started servicing school,

[37:13] I mean, we would not be able to meet the demand

[37:16] and provide any other service at that time

[37:18] because kids are gonna want to take

[37:19] that on-demand service there.

[37:21] and typically at those times I will tell you like the CP Center is you know we

[37:26] have a time period from about 7 30 to 9 that is just probably all of our vehicles

[37:31] are tied up there you know so we really want to be cautious of that and we're

[37:36] not we don't want to replace or take the spot of a school bus service in any

[37:40] means but we definitely want to make sure we're meeting the other demands

[37:45] and one more quick since we don't have any more fixed routes I'm just

[37:49] I'm just wondering why we still have some of those bus stop signs in the city.

[37:53] George Street and...

[37:55] If you do, please let me know and I will have them removed.

[37:58] They probably were just missed when they were removed because they all should have been removed.

[38:03] A couple shelters still remain because that is where people will utilize yet for the on-demand service.

[38:09] But if there are, the signs themselves should be removed.

[38:12] So if you do see them, let me know and I can send our crew out.

[38:15] Okay, thanks.

[38:16] All good.

[38:16] Other questions or comments?

[38:18] All the person live enough.

[38:19] Can you remind me how do people have to have a smartphone to book a ride?

[38:24] They do not.

[38:25] You can't call.

[38:26] So it is all completely ADA accessible.

[38:29] Our paratransit service individuals always had to call to schedule paratransit for the

[38:33] disabled.

[38:34] That's a requirement for us from the Federal Transit Administration.

[38:37] So a phone option is always an option even for individuals if they get on the bus

[38:42] because the way our service is designed, you really kind of need in order to cover

[38:46] for all of the communities, you're really being,

[38:48] you know, you're utilizing microtransit and fixed route.

[38:51] If you get on any of the buses, you cannot,

[38:53] there's a phone on those buses

[38:54] that you can utilize to book your ride as well.

[38:56] That's all pre-programmed.

[38:58] Thank you.

[38:59] All good, all the person can'ts.

[39:01] Okay, I have a couple questions.

[39:03] Sure.

[39:04] Can they take the on-demand anytime

[39:07] or only when the fixed routes are not running?

[39:11] So the on-demand service is limited to the zones

[39:15] If fixed route service is operating, if fixed route service is not operating, then it is system-wide.

[39:23] And so, and the reason for that is, is because we operate fixed route service, when we see, when the data tells us that there's a lot of numbers,

[39:32] and I'll give you an example, and I just, I use the example of Walmart on West Mason Street, okay?

[39:37] We average about 24 people per hour on that route.

[39:40] I could never meet that demand with microtransit.

[39:42] And so when we see heavily utilized areas, that's where we really focus on the fixed route service.

[39:49] And so when we introduced this motor transportation, we actually reduced all the fixed route frequency to 30-minute frequency.

[39:58] And that is very good frequency in our area. This is not Chicago. I'm sorry. It's not every 10 minutes.

[40:03] But 30 minutes is the best we can do.

[40:05] So that really gives those individuals options at those transfer points that buses are going to be there every 30 minutes if you're switching from one mode to the other.

[40:15] But at night, 6.45 at night is where we saw numbers greatly decline. That is why 6.45 p.m. to 11.30 p.m. it's system-wide.

[40:24] And then on Saturdays again, 7.45 in the morning until 1.45 fixed route is utilized.

[40:31] So you kind of need the both depending where you're going, but after 1.45 until 6.45 is all microtransit.

[40:40] Thank you.

[40:42] Is it easy to buy a bus pass for people? Do they have to go to the transit office? Can they do it online?

[40:50] They can do it online. We have an eFair app. They can do it in the app when they book their ride.

[40:54] And when you get on the on-demand vehicle, you can purchase as well.

[40:58] So you can do cash, you can do credit card, you can set up an account.

[41:02] Do you try to organize the on-demand routes?

[41:06] Like sometimes Uber says we're not going to be there in 10 minutes.

[41:10] We're going to be there in 15 because we're picking somebody else up.

[41:14] It is a shared ride service.

[41:17] And so it is all done by software.

[41:19] So the company that we contract right now is VIA.

[41:23] They are a national company.

[41:25] this is what they specialize in so that it all ties in and so that's why I say

[41:30] when somebody books a trip sometimes you know I've been at places where I book a

[41:34] trip and it'll say 23 minutes and I'd be like oh I don't want to wait that long

[41:37] and I come out of it and go right back in and then I'll have a three-minute

[41:41] option and so it just truly depends and you can see those vehicles right on

[41:46] there and so you can pick your options so. Do you help people download the

[41:52] Yeah, if they don't know how, can I call in and get help?

[41:55] They can.

[41:56] They can come to transit.

[41:57] Or Andrea is happy to go out and meet.

[41:59] And she will help people download it.

[42:01] She will help you set it up.

[42:03] She can get your favorite trips put right in there.

[42:05] So it's all set.

[42:07] And then usually through that process a lot of times

[42:10] is where we can make those decisions

[42:12] if we see there's some extra help that

[42:13] is needed for the rider that we

[42:15] can kind of put some parameters in there

[42:17] to make that booking option easier for them as well.

[42:19] Thank you. And last question, do you go to the airport from here?

[42:25] We do.

[42:26] And the cost?

[42:28] So if you are utilizing the on-demand service, it's $2 one way.

[42:35] Currently, to the end of the year, there is a reduced fare 30-day pass,

[42:39] which is unlimited for fixed route or on-demand service.

[42:42] And that pass is typically $29.

[42:44] There's been a $20 reduction.

[42:46] So, yes, it is $9 for 30 days for the remainder of the year, and that's due to some additional funding that came in.

[42:52] For adults, the typical adult 30-day pass is $39, and that is now $19 for the remainder of the year.

[42:58] So I would say stack up on your passes before January 1.

[43:02] Thank you.

[43:03] You're very welcome.

[43:04] All the person, Governor, do you offer services on Sunday?

[43:07] Currently, no.

[43:08] And I will tell you, in my time, we never have.

[43:10] And so that's probably one of the most requested thing that comes up when we do surveys is Sunday service.

[43:17] I will tell you that what traditionally fixed route is what we had for options until we introduced this mode of transit.

[43:24] This is something that we are currently working on our five-year TDP at this point, our Transit Development Plan.

[43:30] This has come up quite a bit.

[43:32] I think this additional mode of transportation definitely opens the door for us to consider because we can really control the time, right?

[43:39] If we want to try it from 8 to 1 and see how it goes, I've been very open from the get-go

[43:46] of this of baby-stepping things because we don't want to all of a sudden, I don't think

[43:52] Larry would appreciate if I called him up and told him his bill doubled in any means.

[43:57] So, right?

[43:58] Is that good?

[44:00] Oh, they would?

[44:02] $8,000.

[44:03] So we've really been cautious on that so we can control because I think we all

[44:07] know, right?

[44:07] once we put something out it's very difficult to take things back and so we really want to

[44:11] make sure we're living within the means and in all of those things so I think it's very realistic

[44:16] for that to be in the in the near future. And the reason I ask is because these people that needed

[44:22] a ride during the week to go to work still a lot of places are open on Sunday you know I mean

[44:28] that they need to get to work and that's why I'm asking thank you. Yes absolutely and I

[44:32] would tell you traditionally with fixed route service pre-pandemic it would typically cost

[44:36] about $150,000 per hour to add fixed road service, which is why it never ran on

[44:41] Sundays, or I'm sorry on Sundays, and very limited on Saturdays. With the

[44:46] on-demand service, I mean it is tremendously less than that, so it

[44:50] really gives us the ability to look at those things. Thank you. Alderperson

[44:55] rash follow-up, you get one. Yeah, just one. And maybe a quick comment.

[45:00] Do you ever consolidate riders on the microtransit? So in other words, you've got two people picking

[45:04] up the same node or same location going in a general same direction. Does that ever happen?

[45:09] So we do. It is a shared ride service. And so it can have up to six individuals is what

[45:14] we have at CapDat. We have not had issues with that. I will tell you our goal is

[45:19] really to be, we want to be able to average all day long three at a time. That's really

[45:23] our goal just from a cost perspective. But it can be shared ride. It just really

[45:29] depends and I will tell you those that utilize public transportation tend to learn this like

[45:34] the back of their hand. They know when it's the busy time, when it is not, and how to maneuver

[45:38] things around. And so it's been great. I know it's been a learning curve for some folks

[45:44] and a huge learning curve for the residents of the city of DPR. And so we have focused

[45:50] a lot on radio and advertising and all different things in this area specifically

[45:56] specifically because of that because I do know that's the image right is there's no bustle

[46:00] people are like okay there's no bustle and there is it's just it's different and so change

[46:05] is always a challenge sometimes.

[46:09] Thank you other questions.

[46:10] I'm assuming we're not going to touch on the sign reserves for any extra cost correct?

[46:15] Not today.

[46:16] Not today.

[46:16] Not today anyways.

[46:18] We've got $80,000.

[46:21] 81,000.

[46:22] 81,000.

[46:23] I will say that I got an email today or a phone call.

[46:25] from a resident which I get periodically or every now and then regarding the transit

[46:29] system and I just forward it to Patty and then they handle it so she does a great

[46:32] job with it. I already responded to that. Actually one of the questions kind of

[46:34] similar to something that you all have been talking about so yeah Patty will say

[46:38] don't hesitate to reach out to her. Yes absolutely and I will tell you the

[46:41] biggest thing is that you know when you look at these zones and you see

[46:45] that that line where it ends if somebody's on the opposite side of the

[46:49] road it's going to tell them they're out of zone so then people kind of

[46:51] freak out and they're like oh my gosh I have no service and it's like so

[46:55] So we really do try to make sure we're covering both sides of those, but this is technology,

[46:59] right?

[46:59] So sometimes we got to tweak things a little bit, but sometimes, especially in the beginning,

[47:03] because maybe one side of Webster was in and not the other, and if they were standing a

[47:07] little bit off and they're booking because it uses your GPS, it'd be like you're out

[47:11] of the zone because you truly were.

[47:13] So we had a lot of that tweaking to do as we went through it.

[47:15] So some of those things are very easy for us to do.

[47:18] And you're very responsive, so I appreciate that.

[47:20] Thank you.

[47:20] Yes, absolutely.

[47:21] Thank you.

[47:21] Any other questions or comments?

[47:22] Again, on behalf of all of us, thank you very much, so thank you, Patty.

[47:26] Perfect. I'll leave some of this information, and so if there's anything I can do, let me know.

[47:29] Thank you.

[47:29] Okay. Thanks.

[47:32] All right. Up next, Item 9, Presentation by Staff GIS Analyst, Kristen Vincent,

[47:38] on Leadership Green Bay Orchard Project. It's all yours.

[47:52] All right. Thank you. Hi, everyone. I'm excited to be here again.

[47:57] My name is Kristen. I'm a GIS Analyst with the City.

[48:00] I recently completed a nine-month professional development program called Leadership Green Bay.

[48:06] And when I was talking with Larry about the program, he thought this would be a good opportunity

[48:10] to come and share with you all information about Leadership Green Bay, what I learned, and what I accomplished.

[48:16] So I will spend about 10 or so minutes talking about the program for those who are unfamiliar with it,

[48:23] talking about the small group project portion of Leadership Green Bay,

[48:27] and then towards the end I will circle back to Depeer and talk about potential

[48:31] impacts for this community.

[48:35] So Leadership Green Bay is a program of the

[48:37] Greater Green Bay Chamber. It was started in 1985. My class was the 39th class. We

[48:44] are all pictured there at one of our session days. There were about 40 or so

[48:48] in the class this year. It was one of the largest classes. The program

[48:54] consists of monthly session days which involved speakers coming in or even us

[49:01] going out into the community and learning about different aspects, different pros

[49:07] and cons in the community. Session days had different themes whether it was

[49:11] government day, economic development day, human services day, things like that. We

[49:16] meet once a month and focus on a different theme and just have this

[49:21] greater awareness for things that are good and bad that are going on in our

[49:25] community. And an overarching aspect of the program is a what I call a small

[49:31] group community service project. So we were divided into smaller teams. This is

[49:36] my team here. And we were tasked with identifying something in the community

[49:42] we thought that we could help improve. And we were in charge of identifying a

[49:48] project fundraising and implementing the project and seeing it through to

[49:53] completion. So as you can see there from all of our job titles and our employers

[49:59] we have a lot of different skill sets. We come from various backgrounds so it was

[50:03] really fun working with my team and learning about them and working on a

[50:08] really exciting project with them. So before I dive more into our small

[50:13] group project I just wanted to take a few minutes and talk about the

[50:17] takeaways that I had from the different session days.

[50:21] And I think one of the biggest things I learned

[50:23] was just this general awareness of everything

[50:27] that's happening in the community.

[50:29] And a lot of that was because of the hands-on learning

[50:32] from going to places.

[50:34] So those pictures there are from different events

[50:37] that we attended.

[50:39] And just going into some of these different spaces,

[50:42] the one is Titletown Tech or at Green Bay City Hall.

[50:46] and it wasn't just in Green Bay, we visited places all over all over Brown

[50:51] County. So just this general awareness of what's going on in the community and

[50:55] not necessarily the bad but also the good and what other people are are doing to

[51:01] help the community. Another main takeaway from the program to me was what

[51:05] we called our community giving days. So this was this had a really big impact

[51:11] on me because I realized that by doing something so small you could have a really big impact.

[51:18] So what I mean by that is for our community giving days every month a different team was tasked

[51:24] with identifying an organization that they wanted to donate to whether it was books or can food

[51:30] items and our class was then tasked with bringing in items whatever we were comfortable with whatever

[51:36] we were able to bring in and then that team would then donate those items to

[51:42] that organization of their choosing. And it was fun every session day to watch as

[51:46] people were coming in for the day. The pile of items would start to grow and

[51:50] it was just really really interesting and really neat to see just how

[51:55] something so small could turn into something so big and you could actually

[51:58] see the the positive impacts that we were having on the community. So now

[52:04] Now I will turn to focusing more on our small group project.

[52:08] So like I mentioned earlier, the picture that I showed with the nine people that was my

[52:16] team five, my team, when we first met we were trying to decide what our common interests

[52:22] were.

[52:22] We were trying to find a common ground.

[52:24] We didn't know each other so we were still trying to just break the ice and networking

[52:30] But we learned that we were all interested in sustainability and the environment, and

[52:35] we thought that that would be a really good angle to go for our small group project as

[52:40] part of the larger Leadership Green Bay program.

[52:43] And through Leadership Green Bay, we learned of an organization called New Leaf Foods.

[52:48] And we learned about their urban food forest initiatives and their mission for food security.

[52:57] Once we learned about them and got to talking with their team, we realized that they would be a really good nonprofit partner, you could say, for our group project.

[53:07] We wanted to help them, we wanted to help advance their mission, and then it was also something that was really personal to us, given our common interests.

[53:16] So we worked with them and decided that an urban orchard would be a really good group project,

[53:22] something that was really important, something that was feasible, something that we could tackle,

[53:27] and also something that was new to all of us but yet fit within our goals.

[53:33] So one aspect of Leadership Green Bay is that our project beneficiary could not be related to our employer,

[53:39] so we had to find a neutral party and that ended up being the Green Bay Area Public School District.

[53:45] We worked with their team and they helped us identify a school,

[53:50] Chapel Elementary School, that would be a good recipient of an orchard.

[53:56] And thinking about the space that they have and talking with their administration,

[54:04] we decided that six fruit trees would be an ideal project scope

[54:10] as well as various other pollinator plants.

[54:13] funds. So we had this plan in place, we decided on a number of trees, but then we had a place

[54:22] as well, a place in mind, but we needed the funds for it. So this is a really interesting

[54:27] angle of leadership green bay that a different skill set that I wasn't expecting to gain

[54:31] was the idea of fundraising and grant writing and budgeting, and I did not have many skills

[54:40] in that going into it or especially at this scale.

[54:43] So that was a really interesting process.

[54:45] I know I have the word challenges on the screen,

[54:47] but really it's more of the learning curve and learning.

[54:51] So we have newly foods as our nonprofit partner

[54:54] and then we have the school district

[54:56] who will be the beneficiary and then we have our donors.

[55:00] So it's just connecting the dots of the pieces,

[55:02] making sure you have the right paperwork,

[55:03] the right forms to get from donor to the beneficiary.

[55:08] And our group was very fortunate in that our donors all came from employers of my team members.

[55:17] So there were a few employers on our team that had either donated to Leadership Green Bay in the past

[55:24] or they had grant windows that were open in the time we needed it to be open.

[55:28] And we were very fortunate that they were very generous and we were able to source almost all of our donations through them.

[55:37] So then we have very, very positive outcomes with our fundraising.

[55:42] So like I mentioned, Chapel Elementary School was a recipient of our orchard and it was

[55:47] really great working with their team and also working with the new leaf team, figuring,

[55:53] deciding where to source the trees, how to get them shipped to the school and the

[55:59] school district helped receive the shipment and water the trees until it was planted

[56:06] day and the pictures below you can see it was it was a very successful day the

[56:11] kids first grade class got to help with the planting they had their little

[56:15] shovels and the parents were invited to come and have a picnic lunch with the

[56:21] students and they had the school set up other different activities related to

[56:26] planting so it was really rewarding to be a part of that and to

[56:30] see that and to see how excited they were and help them be hands-on in

[56:35] this process. And I'm not sure if you can tell or not in those pictures but the

[56:40] trees are a little bit larger than you might expect for starting an orchard

[56:44] and that was intentional. So one of the requests was that we purchase more

[56:49] mature fruit trees that might produce fruit within a year or two and that

[56:54] was so in hopes that many of the students will still be at Chapel and

[56:59] we'll be able to see the tree actually produce fruit and then be able to

[57:03] understand the the life cycle and the process from being planting to producing

[57:08] this fruit. And like I mentioned earlier we had very successful outcomes to our

[57:13] fundraising so a few days later we actually planted a second orchard. This

[57:18] is at Red Smith also in the Green Bay School district and we learned pretty

[57:25] early on that we might have funds to do a second orchard so we were able to

[57:31] cut down on shipping costs by having Red Smith and Chapel's trees all delivered

[57:35] at the same time and again the school district was really great in helping us

[57:38] take care of the trees over the weekend and making sure they were watered and

[57:43] taking care of until the until the planting day happened. And this then

[57:48] was with the middle schoolers they were helping us plant the trees there

[57:52] and it was really fun the principal grabbed a shovel and he was he was

[57:57] is digging right along with us.

[57:58] And at both schools, the principals and administration,

[58:01] they were all very helpful and very excited

[58:04] and very appreciative.

[58:05] So it was a super rewarding experience.

[58:10] And our project actually is continuing on.

[58:13] We do have funds to plant two to three more orchards

[58:17] of the same scope, which is roughly six fruit trees.

[58:19] So a big thank you again to our donors.

[58:21] Our group plans to pick up talks again in August

[58:25] for identifying sites and identifying a timeline.

[58:30] We'd like to either plant later this fall, if possible, or into next spring.

[58:36] It all depends on the beneficiary and what works best for them,

[58:38] because if it's a school, they'd like to have the students involved,

[58:41] and then also what's best for the trees and what we're able to source at the different times of year.

[58:50] So now, as I start to wrap up,

[58:52] I want to take a few minutes and talk about potential depear impacts.

[58:56] So first, from a personal level, a big thank you to Mayor, Larry, and all of you for supporting

[59:02] such professional development opportunities as these.

[59:06] I gained so many more skills than I ever imagined.

[59:10] I know I had certain goals going into the program, and I obtained those goals and

[59:15] then some, and it was also great using my resources and connections that I have

[59:20] here at the city.

[59:21] I know that I contacted multiple city staff members asking them for their advice like how do you do this?

[59:26] How do you do that? How do you do that?

[59:28] You have opinions on advice on this and it was really great being able to take that advice and transfer it over to my team and

[59:35] Advice first of all then learning from their employers and their experiences and how to help us

[59:40] And then also through the program. I learned about multiple classmates who live and work into peer

[59:45] So it was really great talking to them learning their connections and their experiences in the city

[59:52] So, one little side note is that one of my teammates actually worked right across the

[59:56] bridge and we didn't know that we worked so close to each other.

[1:00:00] I'm like, oh, we could have carpooled to so many of these different events. So just having

[1:00:03] those connections and those experiences is really great. But then thinking of more bigger picture

[1:00:08] of this idea of shared knowledge. So I know that the city does have an urban orchard team.

[1:00:14] I know that my team would be more than happy to share our experiences with them or learn

[1:00:20] from that team's experiences as well. And, you know, just this idea of a template

[1:00:26] template for others to follow and creating, taking everything that we know and maybe creating

[1:00:31] a blueprint.

[1:00:32] I know that in our talks with New Leaf Foods that that was one idea of creating this template

[1:00:38] or this document for other organizations and other people to follow if they do want

[1:00:44] to do a similar project to help that run smoothly and I think that could have positive

[1:00:49] impacts on the community.

[1:00:51] So with that, my team would like to give a big thank you to the Green Bay Chamber

[1:00:56] and leadership Green Bay for having us in this program as well as newly foods for allowing

[1:01:01] us to work with them and to help them advance their mission as well as helping us with our

[1:01:07] project and the Green Bay School District for being a beneficiary of our orchard so far.

[1:01:11] And then also for me a big thank you to the City of Depeer for letting me be a part of

[1:01:17] this opportunity, this professional development opportunity. So with that thank you and I

[1:01:22] I will take any questions.

[1:01:24] Any questions, anybody?

[1:01:26] Other person, Rash?

[1:01:27] I think one of the, it's a good program, right?

[1:01:30] I think one of the great things about it

[1:01:31] is that you also join a network of other people

[1:01:33] that have graduated from the class

[1:01:35] that you can tap into, and like for example,

[1:01:38] Colleen Matthews on your group,

[1:01:39] I know her from other networking stuff.

[1:01:42] But I don't know how many other people

[1:01:44] are graduates of Leadership Green Bay

[1:01:45] in the class besides myself.

[1:01:47] I thought, yeah, I thought,

[1:01:48] Shannon, you were Dan, you know?

[1:01:50] So what year were you?

[1:01:55] You'll start to bump into people in time that have all gone through the program, and there's

[1:01:59] a lot of good stuff that came out of it.

[1:02:00] I learned and met Mary Jane through leadership, so we all got to know her through history,

[1:02:06] right?

[1:02:06] I thought that was the first class in 1960.

[1:02:09] Mary Jane.

[1:02:13] She's still in there.

[1:02:14] Anyway, so I appreciate the presentation.

[1:02:17] I think you guys did a great job.

[1:02:19] Nice project, but welcome to the alumni.

[1:02:22] Thank you. Thank you. Other questions or comments?

[1:02:26] I know this is something that Larry Champions for you all to do this, so it's very beneficial.

[1:02:30] And I think it sounds like you really enjoyed it. And I appreciate you presenting this. Thank you, Kristen.

[1:02:35] Thank you. And we're all good. Thank you very much. I think Dan's got a question.

[1:02:39] Oh, Dan. I had one. As Kristen's department head

[1:02:42] and the GIS division being under the development services department,

[1:02:46] Bill Boyle and I would like to extend a thank you to the council for allowing

[1:02:50] Kristen to go through this process. We witnessed her growth in that 10-month

[1:02:55] timeframe, leaps and bounds to what we expected. And so just watching her here

[1:02:59] today kind of present where she may have been a year ago. I can tell you

[1:03:02] it was leaps and bounds. She was much more confident in the public speaking

[1:03:05] realm, but just again making the connections out going out going through

[1:03:09] that that process. We've watched her sort of leaps and bounds grow and

[1:03:12] even in the project management side of it. She's taken that step as well. So

[1:03:15] Thank you to the council for allowing our staff to grow into their roles.

[1:03:20] I think this is the point where you asked for a raise.

[1:03:25] Very high, very high.

[1:03:26] Here yet someplace.

[1:03:32] Very high phrase. Thank you, Dan. Thank you again, Kristen.

[1:03:37] Nice.

[1:03:38] All right.

[1:03:41] Item 10. Recommendation from Plan Commission to approve an extraterritorial three-lot certified

[1:03:46] survey map at 1700 Williams Grant Drive in Lawrence, parcel L169.

[1:03:53] I'll make a motion to approve.

[1:03:55] I'll second.

[1:03:56] Motion by Alderperson Rash. Second by Alderperson Quigley. Any comments or discussion?

[1:04:02] Seeing there is none, all those in favor, say aye.

[1:04:05] Aye.

[1:04:06] Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you.

[1:04:08] Thank you.

[1:04:09] Item 11, recommendation from Historic Preservation Commission to approve $3,800 proposal from

[1:04:16] Joan Sein for the design and printing of 55 individual historic district signs to be installed

[1:04:22] by property owners in and near the Mansion Street World War II Defense Homes Historic

[1:04:28] District and Daviswood Ranch Homes Historic District.

[1:04:31] Move to approve.

[1:04:33] I'll second.

[1:04:33] Motion by Elder Person Hanson.

[1:04:35] The second by Elder Person Gantz.

[1:04:36] Any discussion or comments?

[1:04:37] All the person Hansen.

[1:04:39] All the person Ledvinah's house is in one of these districts

[1:04:42] and just wanted to be noted that we had to reject her request

[1:04:46] to have the plaque say Shayna Ledvinah house

[1:04:48] because we have to use the historic name.

[1:04:50] Sorry.

[1:04:52] I was joking.

[1:04:55] That was a good one though.

[1:04:57] Very funny.

[1:04:57] But for that I won't be voting for this.

[1:05:00] You're abstaining.

[1:05:01] Should I abstain?

[1:05:03] No.

[1:05:04] Conflict of interest.

[1:05:05] Can we get an attorney review on that?

[1:05:10] You got your advice, you're okay.

[1:05:12] Other comments and or questions?

[1:05:14] Were you done?

[1:05:15] Yeah.

[1:05:16] All right, that said, we have a roll call vote.

[1:05:19] Alderperson Carpenter?

[1:05:20] Aye.

[1:05:21] Gantz?

[1:05:22] Aye.

[1:05:22] Hansen?

[1:05:23] Aye.

[1:05:23] Conninger?

[1:05:24] Aye.

[1:05:24] Ledvinna?

[1:05:25] Aye.

[1:05:25] Pirok?

[1:05:26] Aye.

[1:05:27] Quigley?

[1:05:27] Aye.

[1:05:28] Rash?

[1:05:32] motion carries thank you item 12 recommendation from the board of park commissioners to accept a

[1:05:38] two thousand five hundred dollar donation from Greta Johnson to recreation scholarship fund

[1:05:43] moved to approve motion by other person levin the second by other person conager any discussion

[1:05:49] or comments seen there is none all those in favor say aye opposed motion carries thank you

[1:05:59] Item 13, recommendation from Board of Heart Commissioners to accept a $1,000 donation from Deeper Rotary for the summer carnival.

[1:06:07] I'll move to approve.

[1:06:09] Second.

[1:06:09] Motion by Alderperson Cuniger, second by Alderperson Rash, any discussion or comments?

[1:06:15] Seeing there is none, all those in favor, say aye.

[1:06:18] Aye.

[1:06:19] Opposed?

[1:06:20] Motion carries.

[1:06:21] Thank you.

[1:06:22] Item 14. Recommendation from the Finance and Personnel Committee to accept donations to fund therapy dog program for the fire department.

[1:06:31] I'll move to proof.

[1:06:32] I'll second.

[1:06:33] Motion by all the person counter. You're second by all the person can't. That was really close, you two.

[1:06:37] Any questions or comments?

[1:06:39] All the person rash.

[1:06:41] Yeah, I'm really struggling to accept this donation without actually getting a chance to meet the dog.

[1:06:47] Well, I tell you...

[1:06:49] To meet Stanley?

[1:06:50] Yeah.

[1:06:54] I brought Tammy with me who was the architect of this program and did a wonderful job and

[1:06:58] I did bring Stanley to finance, but unfortunately this meeting was too long, so he wouldn't

[1:07:02] make it through this.

[1:07:03] He'd sleep through this.

[1:07:04] Give him a couple of treats.

[1:07:05] We saw Stanley today in the office.

[1:07:07] We see him quite often.

[1:07:08] Oh, he's always about.

[1:07:11] Fine.

[1:07:12] He's so cute.

[1:07:12] It's a beer garden.

[1:07:14] Any questions for Chief that you have?

[1:07:16] No, I'm good.

[1:07:17] I just wanted to see the dog.

[1:07:18] I haven't had a chance.

[1:07:19] My schedule is just too tight.

[1:07:20] during the days. Chief would you like to say something then if you'd like to

[1:07:23] introduce? Yeah I would like to introduce Tammy Ghosn. She came before we kicked off the program.

[1:07:28] Tammy and her team set a goal of $10,000 to raise her fundraising. They far exceeded that goal.

[1:07:33] At this point she'd like to just turn over the funds and as part of this I'm asking to have this

[1:07:38] just established in a regular council as the bills come in for sampling. We just sort of pay

[1:07:42] him out of that account. It's been amazing. He's done some great work on our staff.

[1:07:46] He's done great work throughout the entire city. We try to make at least a couple trips

[1:07:49] around all city departments at least once a week and for twice so he's

[1:07:54] spreading lots of goodwill and he's doing a real good job. He's got a lot of training left to do, but so far so good.

[1:08:01] Thank you. Questions? Alderperson Hansen. So this is going to be very similar to

[1:08:05] like the canine fund where it's just set aside specifically for ongoing

[1:08:09] The answer is yes.

[1:08:11] I think it's matching clothes for Al as a dog.

[1:08:16] I'll donate to that.

[1:08:19] We've got to pick the dog's outfit first, then Al has to match that.

[1:08:22] I will follow suit.

[1:08:25] Other questions or comments?

[1:08:26] Tammy, thank you very much.

[1:08:27] By the way, this is extremely generous.

[1:08:28] You did a great job.

[1:08:29] Other person, Gantz?

[1:08:30] I just wanted to tell you thank you for getting all the funds together.

[1:08:34] You did a great job.

[1:08:36] Thank you very much.

[1:08:37] Thank

[1:08:50] you. And I still want them when you go out of town.

[1:08:55] Thank you. Other questions or comments?

[1:08:59] Seeing there is none, all those in favor say aye.

[1:09:03] Aye.

[1:09:04] Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. It's official now, Tammy.

[1:09:08] Congratulations. Thank you very much. Thanks, Chief.

[1:09:13] Next item, item 15.

[1:09:16] Recommendation from Finance Personnel Committee to approve

[1:09:19] the 2024 non-benefit eligible employees wage schedule.

[1:09:24] Move to approve.

[1:09:26] I'll second.

[1:09:27] Motion by Alderperson Hansen, seconded by Alderperson Quigley.

[1:09:30] Discussion or comments?

[1:09:34] Alderperson Rash.

[1:09:35] Just real quick.

[1:09:36] How's the recruiting going for some of these positions?

[1:09:39] I mean, we're in such a type labor market.

[1:09:41] Tracy, are you going to handle that one?

[1:09:43] I'm going to handle that one.

[1:09:44] Yeah.

[1:09:44] So, I mean, it's going to depend on which position you're looking at.

[1:09:48] But some of them are going to be very specialty positions, so they're going to be a little

[1:09:52] bit harder to recruit for just because there are fewer employees out there.

[1:09:55] When we went ahead and did the survey, we were kind of looking at what others were paying

[1:09:59] for these type of positions.

[1:10:01] So the ones that we're recommending increasing were the ones that we were kind of lagging

[1:10:03] behind on.

[1:10:04] So we're not really seeing too many issues right now anyway, are we okay?

[1:10:09] We're okay.

[1:10:10] Yep.

[1:10:10] Okay.

[1:10:11] Thank you.

[1:10:12] Thank you.

[1:10:12] Other questions or comments?

[1:10:16] Don't see any.

[1:10:17] That said, roll call vote please.

[1:10:19] Alderperson Gantz?

[1:10:20] Aye.

[1:10:21] Hanson?

[1:10:22] Aye.

[1:10:22] Cundegir?

[1:10:23] Aye.

[1:10:23] Ledvinon?

[1:10:24] Aye.

[1:10:24] Pirok?

[1:10:25] Aye.

[1:10:25] Quigley?

[1:10:26] Aye.

[1:10:27] Rash?

[1:10:27] Aye.

[1:10:28] Carpenter?

[1:10:28] Aye.

[1:10:29] Motion carries, thank you.

[1:10:31] Item 16, recommendation from Finance Personnel Committee on police request to maintain a credit card for travel and training purposes with a credit line of $2,500.

[1:10:43] I'll move to approve.

[1:10:44] I'll second.

[1:10:45] Motion by Alderperson Cundegar, second by Alderperson Gantz.

[1:10:48] Any discussion or comments?

[1:10:51] Seeing there is none, roll call vote please.

[1:10:53] Alderperson Hanson.

[1:10:54] Aye.

[1:10:55] Cundegar?

[1:10:55] Aye.

[1:10:56] Ledvin?

[1:10:56] Aye.

[1:10:57] Piroch?

[1:10:57] Aye.

[1:10:58] Wigley?

[1:10:59] Aye.

[1:10:59] Rash?

[1:11:00] Aye.

[1:11:00] Carpenter?

[1:11:01] Aye.

[1:11:01] Gantz?

[1:11:02] Aye.

[1:11:03] Motion carries, thank you.

[1:11:04] Item 17, recommendation from the Finance Personnel Committee on acceptance of $18,500 donation from the Cloud Family Foundation to police for use with the K-9 unit.

[1:11:16] Move to approve.

[1:11:17] Second.

[1:11:18] Everyone wants that one.

[1:11:19] Motion by older person rash, second and by older person.

[1:11:22] Who do I give it to?

[1:11:23] Amy.

[1:11:24] All the person kind of her?

[1:11:25] Mm-hmm.

[1:11:26] Questions or comments?

[1:11:28] Again, big thank you to the Cloud Foundation in a conversation we had.

[1:11:32] This is something that they thought very highly of, so it's outstanding.

[1:11:36] That said, is this roll call or regular?

[1:11:38] Regular.

[1:11:39] That said, roll call, I'm sorry.

[1:11:41] That said all those, and it's been a long meeting that's still not done yet.

[1:11:45] All those in favor say aye.

[1:11:47] Aye.

[1:11:48] Opposed?

[1:11:49] Motion carries.

[1:11:51] Thank you.

[1:11:51] 16 more items.

[1:11:53] Item 18.

[1:11:55] Recommendation from the Finance Personnel Committee on

[1:11:57] Acceptance of $1,500 donation from Walmart for the

[1:12:01] Police Bike Safety Program.

[1:12:05] Motion by other person.

[1:12:07] I'll go to other person Gantz on this one.

[1:12:10] Questions or comments that we have?

[1:12:13] Seeing there in is not all those in favor say aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Item 19

[1:12:21] recommendation from the License Committee on Renewal Applications for the Licensing Period from July

[1:12:26] 1st, 2023 to June 30th, 2024. First up, Item A, Class A, fermented malt beverage liquor licenses.

[1:12:34] Make a motion to approve the loan applicant. Second. Motion by Alderperson Carpenter.

[1:12:40] seconded by Alderperson Pierock. Any discussion or comments?

[1:12:44] Seeing there is none. All those in favor, say aye.

[1:12:47] Aye.

[1:12:48] Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you.

[1:12:51] Up next, Class A, fermented malt beverage,

[1:12:53] and Class A, intoxicating liquor licenses.

[1:12:56] Make a motion to approve the loan applicant.

[1:12:58] Oh, second.

[1:12:59] Motion by Alderperson Carpenter. Second by Alderperson Gantz.

[1:13:02] Any discussion or comments?

[1:13:04] Seeing there is none. All those in favor, say aye.

[1:13:07] Aye.

[1:13:08] Aye.

[1:13:08] Opposed?

[1:13:10] Motion carries, thank you.

[1:13:11] Item C, class B, fermented malt beverage licenses.

[1:13:15] Make a motion, approve the loan applicant.

[1:13:17] Second.

[1:13:18] Motion by Alderperson Carpenter.

[1:13:19] Second by Alderperson Pee Rock,

[1:13:21] any discussion or comments?

[1:13:24] Seeing there is none, all those in favor say aye.

[1:13:27] Aye.

[1:13:28] Opposed?

[1:13:29] Motion carries, thank you.

[1:13:31] I believe that covers all of them.

[1:13:33] Item 20, ordinance 2308, repealing and reenacting

[1:13:36] Section 611 of the DPR Municipal Code regarding telephonic video conference meeting attendance.

[1:13:44] This is the second reading.

[1:13:45] Make a motion to approve.

[1:13:47] I'll second.

[1:13:47] Motion by Alderperson Carpenter, second by Alderperson Conniger.

[1:13:50] Any discussion or comments?

[1:13:53] Alderperson Resch?

[1:13:54] Yep.

[1:13:55] I mean, as I stated last time too, I think that I understand what the attempt is that we're doing here

[1:14:00] and I'm hoping that we don't have to use this regular, continuous basis,

[1:14:06] But I think it's important that as elected officials that were present in person for these meetings

[1:14:11] So for that reason with this change, I won't support it. So I'll be voting nay. Thank you. Other questions or comments

[1:14:20] Seem there is none all those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed nay motion carries with other person rash voting nay

[1:14:29] item 21

[1:14:31] Resolution 2365 an initial resolution authorizing the sale and issuance of taxable general

[1:14:37] Obligation, promissory notes, and certain related details.

[1:14:42] Make a motion to approve.

[1:14:43] I'll second.

[1:14:44] Motion by Alderperson Rash.

[1:14:45] Second by Alderperson Ledmanna.

[1:14:47] Any discussion or comments?

[1:14:50] Seeing there is none, roll call vote please.

[1:14:53] Alderperson Conegger?

[1:14:55] Aye.

[1:14:55] Ledmanna?

[1:14:56] Aye.

[1:14:56] Pirok?

[1:14:57] Aye.

[1:14:57] Wigley?

[1:14:58] Aye.

[1:14:58] Rash?

[1:14:59] Aye.

[1:15:00] Carpenter?

[1:15:00] Aye.

[1:15:01] Gamps?

[1:15:01] Aye.

[1:15:02] Hanson?

[1:15:02] Aye.

[1:15:03] Motion carries.

[1:15:04] Thank you.

[1:15:05] Item 22, resolution 2366, an initial resolution authorizing the sale and issuance of general

[1:15:11] obligation, promissory notes, and certain related details.

[1:15:15] Motion approved.

[1:15:16] Second.

[1:15:17] Motion by Alderperson Carpenter, seconded by Alderperson.

[1:15:22] He's pointing.

[1:15:22] He's going to give it up.

[1:15:23] Ledvin?

[1:15:24] Any comments or discussion?

[1:15:38] Motion carries thank you item 23 resolution 2367 approving ATM event placement agreement with cornerstone processing solutions.

[1:15:51] I make a motion to approve.

[1:15:54] Second.

[1:15:55] Motion by Alderperson Gantz, seconded by Alderperson Pee Rock.

[1:15:58] Any discussion or comments?

[1:16:02] Alderperson Carpenter.

[1:16:03] Yes, is this going to be used at all?

[1:16:05] I have not stated in there for the beer garden.

[1:16:07] Is it going to be used for like the boot truck rally and different other things?

[1:16:11] Or what events is it all going to be set in the beer garden?

[1:16:16] at this time our involvement with Fox community's credit union who's it is

[1:16:24] for only the beer garden okay I thought that read that in yeah and I didn't know

[1:16:28] if it was for other events okay thank you thank you other questions or

[1:16:32] comments roll call vote please older person P Rock I quickly I rash I

[1:16:40] Carpenter?

[1:16:41] Aye.

[1:16:42] Gantz?

[1:16:42] Aye.

[1:16:43] Hanson?

[1:16:44] Aye.

[1:16:44] Conninger?

[1:16:45] Aye.

[1:16:46] Ledvina?

[1:16:46] Aye.

[1:16:47] Motion carries.

[1:16:48] Thank you.

[1:16:48] Item 24, Resolution 2368.

[1:16:51] Amending Sections 3, 4, 6, 7, and 10 of the City of Depear Employee Policy Manual.

[1:16:58] Move to approve.

[1:16:59] I'll second.

[1:17:00] Motion by Alderperson Ledvina, seconded by Alderperson Quigley.

[1:17:04] Any discussion or comments?

[1:17:07] Seeing there is none, all those in favor say aye.

[1:17:11] Aye.

[1:17:12] Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Item 25, Resolution 2369, authorize an agreement between the City of Depeer and McGrath Human Resources Group Job Description Update.

[1:17:25] I'll move to approve.

[1:17:27] Motion by Elder Person Conniger. Second by Elder Person Gantz. Any discussion or comments?

[1:17:33] Alderperson Carpenter.

[1:17:34] Yes, I was wondering how we came up with the 50 documents.

[1:17:37] Do you already have projected them already out of all the job applicants?

[1:17:43] These are the number of positions that we have. Different positions within the city.

[1:17:47] Okay. That's my question. Okay, thank you.

[1:17:50] Thank you. Other questions or comments?

[1:17:54] Seeing there is none, roll call vote please.

[1:17:58] Alderperson Quigley.

[1:17:59] Aye.

[1:17:59] Brash.

[1:18:00] Aye.

[1:18:01] Carpenter.

[1:18:01] Hi dance. Hi Hansen. Hi Conniger. Hi Ludvina. Hi P Rock. Hi

[1:18:08] Motion carries. Thank you

[1:18:11] Thanks Shannon

[1:18:12] We're up to 26 resolution 2370

[1:18:16] Authorizing street name changes and naming the southern bridge Arthur J. Altmeyer bridge

[1:18:21] Which will be placed on so then we're going to talk about Southbridge Road Redmipper Road and Rockland Road

[1:18:26] Which we're going to hopefully come up with the name right now

[1:18:28] Should we vote on this altogether as one or vote for Alter J. Altmire separate?

[1:18:33] I'll go to the city attorney in this one.

[1:18:37] Yeah, I would say recommend separate.

[1:18:39] All right. Let's just tackle them separately. So on the floor right now,

[1:18:42] we have naming of Arthur J. Altmire bridge just for a note.

[1:18:46] It is going to come out as a recommendation from us,

[1:18:49] but we feel strongly about that just so everyone's aware of that.

[1:18:51] I'll make a motion to approve Alter J. Altmire bridge for the naming of the Southern Bridge.

[1:18:57] Second.

[1:18:58] Motion by Elder Person Rash, second by Elder Person Hansen to name as a recommendation strongly,

[1:19:04] Arthur J. Altmaier Bridge.

[1:19:05] Any discussion or comments?

[1:19:08] Yeah.

[1:19:09] What's that?

[1:19:12] Okay, so for people out there why we are picking this, Arthur J. Altmaier, it was a former

[1:19:17] DPR resident who graduated from DPR High School in I believe 1910, went on to Madison,

[1:19:23] and eventually became the architect of the Social Security as we know it today.

[1:19:30] And Franklin Roosevelt, President Roosevelt, commented that he was known as Mr. Social Security,

[1:19:36] became the first director of the Social Security Board and also eventually the Social Security

[1:19:42] Administration upon his retirement in 1954, this is all by memory, and eventually because

[1:19:47] he was so influential for Social Security, the Social Security Administration building

[1:19:52] in Baltimore, Maryland, bears Arthur J. Altmire's name.

[1:19:56] So extremely famous deep-ear resident that is worthy of this honor.

[1:20:01] How was that?

[1:20:02] Very good.

[1:20:03] And because you're going to ask, first cousin is Susie Altmire.

[1:20:06] They both have different spellings, the last name.

[1:20:09] So when the families came over for whatever reason, one kept one spelling, the other

[1:20:12] one changed the spelling.

[1:20:13] So yes, they're related.

[1:20:17] Other questions or comments or any historical factual information you might want?

[1:20:20] That's really all I have right now

[1:20:22] All right, that said

[1:20:25] All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed?

[1:20:29] Motion carries. Thank you. We have a bridge name that we're hoping sticks

[1:20:34] All right now. Let's get down to the fun

[1:20:37] We need a as a recommendation to forward on this one is actually more

[1:20:43] Has more significance, right? I mean that we have to name this thing based on the DOT well DOT is asking

[1:20:50] DOT is asking our Public Works Department to recommend a name.

[1:20:54] Again, it's working with the county roads, so we have to have this go through the county

[1:20:59] so that they can start prepping all their designs for signage and things.

[1:21:02] So that's what they're looking for. That's a big deal. Big, big deal.

[1:21:05] So what I'll do now, this is kind of new to all of us. I thought I would just kind of open this up

[1:21:09] kind of like we were voting for stuff within the council and just maybe have you guys offer

[1:21:15] recommendations. Does that sound good enough? And we'll just go from there.

[1:21:17] and you can kind of make a plug.

[1:21:19] All the person who asked, do you have something that interested you?

[1:21:23] I do.

[1:21:24] So having had a chance to look at this, that Plan Commission the first time,

[1:21:28] I'm not going to say as emphatically as I did during that meeting

[1:21:34] my thoughts on the first name that was thrown out there.

[1:21:38] Oh, we'll leave that one alone.

[1:21:39] Yeah.

[1:21:40] But anyway, in the conversation that happened in Plan Commission,

[1:21:43] it was actually a good conversation.

[1:21:45] They talked about Arthur J. Altmaier being more of a historical figure

[1:21:48] and kind of sticking with the history type of scenario as it came to naming the bridge.

[1:21:53] And then they were looking at something that maybe spoke more to the future.

[1:21:58] And we talked about history.

[1:22:00] One of the things I suggested is maybe that we find a way to pay homage

[1:22:06] to the people that lived in this area for thousands of years before it was settled

[1:22:10] and that would have been the Menominee Nation.

[1:22:12] So the Menominee Nation actually occupied this area of Depeer and Green Bay for 10,000 plus years before the French actually moved in and worked and lived with them.

[1:22:27] But this area of Depeer and Green Bay in doing some research with the Menominee people was actually referred to as chiefs villages because a lot of the chiefs of the Menominee Nation actually resided in here along the rivers.

[1:22:39] So, in talking with some members of the Menominee tribe over the past several weeks and trying

[1:22:46] to figure out some ideas that might work for a name that kind of signifies and recognizes

[1:22:51] them being here, the history side of it, and also something that speaks towards the future,

[1:22:55] one of the names that popped up was Generations Avenue.

[1:22:59] So the original name that was put up by the city, which we're not going to bring up,

[1:23:04] wanted to think of something that looked towards the future and some positives.

[1:23:07] And I think one of the things that's important to make that connection back, not only just

[1:23:12] in Native people, but to the Menominee Nation as well as all those that are in this area,

[1:23:18] is understanding that as Native Americans, we like to make decisions and think about

[1:23:25] things that impact the next seven generations that come behind us.

[1:23:29] So for those that don't know, I'm a proud member of the Stockbridge Muncie tribe,

[1:23:33] abandoned Mohicans over in the central part of Wisconsin.

[1:23:37] And part of that teaching that comes to us

[1:23:39] is that thinking for the future and anything we do today

[1:23:42] affects and impacts the next seven generations.

[1:23:45] So in those talkings and making that connection back to history

[1:23:48] as well as the future, I think Generations Avenue,

[1:23:51] in my mind, fits very well with kind of the theme

[1:23:54] of what we started here with Arthur J. Altmire,

[1:23:58] but it has a bigger impact on our communities as a whole

[1:24:00] and how we want to do things as a city council and as a community that actually impact positively

[1:24:06] the next seven generations.

[1:24:07] And I know that we have a developer sitting here as well, and when they put projects together,

[1:24:11] they're thinking how is this going to impact probably the next 20, 25, 30, 40 years?

[1:24:16] And I think it's the same thing that we do here.

[1:24:18] So I think my name that I'm throwing out is Generations Avenue for those reasons

[1:24:24] to tie that back to a bigger picture here.

[1:24:27] Thank you very much.

[1:24:29] Good explanation.

[1:24:30] Any other names you want to toss out there, folks, for consideration?

[1:24:34] I have a few.

[1:24:34] All the person cutting her?

[1:24:36] Yeah, kind of in the same vein as Dean mentioned, but with a little different thought process.

[1:24:43] So thinking about, you know, all the decades of planning that have gone into this,

[1:24:48] as well as being significant of bringing greater unity to the area,

[1:24:52] how much more travel and supply chain can be exercised

[1:24:57] throughout the reason and throughout the state.

[1:24:59] I mean, it's a project that is really astronomical

[1:25:02] when you think about it.

[1:25:03] So I looked at words that were both synonymous

[1:25:07] with that development, what the pier stands for,

[1:25:10] as well as the river itself

[1:25:12] and what it signifies in crossing.

[1:25:14] So just playing with some ideas,

[1:25:16] three words came to mind, coalesce.

[1:25:20] Co means together, a less means to grow.

[1:25:24] So the definition is to unite as a whole

[1:25:27] the combination of distinct elements to grow together to unite for a common end,

[1:25:33] join forces, when similar parts become a cohesive unit.

[1:25:38] So that is really symbolic of what this development is doing.

[1:25:43] Another opportunity or thought process was around, it's a little more long,

[1:25:50] but it's fun to say, amalgamite.

[1:25:53] But it's really easy to spell.

[1:25:56] So, it's an action of process of uniting two things, but here's the fun part about it.

[1:26:01] It's forming a close union without loss of individual identities.

[1:26:06] And I don't know about a town that is so fiercely individual in their identities and

[1:26:13] a whole.

[1:26:13] So, I thought that would be kind of fun to play around with.

[1:26:16] And then the last one is more of a lean to the actual development of a river itself,

[1:26:23] but riparian.

[1:26:24] So, raperion is related to the situation of living and locating and dwelling on the banks of a river in a natural water course of a river.

[1:26:36] So, it's the ecology and the diversity and contributing to the health of a greater ecosystem.

[1:26:42] So, raperion is both a nod to the river as well as what we're trying to do with the ecosystem of our whole area.

[1:26:51] So those were three words that, not everyday street names, but they could be applied with real dual meaning.

[1:27:00] All right, thank you.

[1:27:02] Going next, I think all the person, Hanson, do you have your hand up?

[1:27:05] Yeah. I like Generations Drive. I like some of those, Amy.

[1:27:11] I still think Southbridge Road is the most direct and easy to understand and recognize.

[1:27:17] very nice and very not creative but very practical. So I want to throw Southbridge Road out there

[1:27:23] and it's already part of this segment. I know Plan Commission also talked about maybe looking

[1:27:29] at some of the Menominee language. I was looking at NICOT which is one in Menominee. Again,

[1:27:36] kind of going to Amy's thing about unity. I like the idea of kind of having some connection

[1:27:39] to unity and tying the two sides together. So.

[1:27:42] Thank you. Do we have others?

[1:27:47] All the person live? No.

[1:27:48] I didn't really have one specifically, but I know your aim when you were working on this at staff was to come up with the word that meant

[1:27:55] progress or moving forward.

[1:27:58] And I just think that this bridge taking generations to build, I mean, it really has.

[1:28:06] It's really come down to this collaboration of local units of government and the state

[1:28:10] and interested groups to get us to this point.

[1:28:14] So I just like the idea of naming it for something along the lines of that, you know,

[1:28:19] that collaborate, recognizing that collaboration or that working together to get to where we

[1:28:24] are now.

[1:28:25] But I didn't really come up with any names.

[1:28:27] I like to coalesce.

[1:28:31] I don't know.

[1:28:32] Yeah.

[1:28:32] Thank you.

[1:28:33] Good comments.

[1:28:35] Alderperson Rash, first.

[1:28:37] Alderperson.

[1:28:37] So when I talked to the Menominee, they had a name that they were interested in, possibly

[1:28:43] tossing out there because they went Chawanon, which was actually the name of their first

[1:28:49] grand chief that lived in this area.

[1:28:51] So that was the name that they recommended from the Menominee Nation if we would go

[1:28:55] with the native name, which is maybe a little bit tougher to kind of do.

[1:29:00] but from their historical group, from their museum group,

[1:29:04] and from some of their leadership,

[1:29:05] that was the name they had tossed out,

[1:29:07] which was the name of their first Grand Chief in this area.

[1:29:12] I think I'll get one vote, okay?

[1:29:15] Okay, what else do we have?

[1:29:16] Alderperson Hansen.

[1:29:17] I wanted to ask, Dan, do you recommend

[1:29:19] AV or drive for the street?

[1:29:23] It really comes down to the overall makeup of the street.

[1:29:27] Either one would suffice, and we've seen

[1:29:30] renderings a few different ways that includes a boulevard that offers that opportunity, that

[1:29:35] potentially is a discussion point, but to me when you have a dividing line like you have

[1:29:40] on the GV corridor, that's when you call it something like that one.

[1:29:44] But if it's not going to be that, Driver Avenue has equal weight in terms of a suffix for

[1:29:49] a street name.

[1:29:52] Okay.

[1:29:53] Let's not go down that road right now.

[1:29:56] Yes, pun intended.

[1:29:57] Do we have anything else?

[1:29:58] other person can'ts

[1:30:00] I just kind of like unity.

[1:30:03] You're just tossing unity out there, okay?

[1:30:05] Yeah.

[1:30:05] Throw that baby on there.

[1:30:06] Just like unit by joined as a whole, all of the different cities, townships.

[1:30:15] Thank you.

[1:30:17] So imagine we would say why, how many names you'd have right now.

[1:30:20] Let's do a thousand, probably.

[1:30:22] I can't just play baseball over there.

[1:30:23] Anyone else have a comment?

[1:30:24] In addition, another name.

[1:30:27] I think flamingo.

[1:30:29] I think we're ready to roll so I think what we'll probably do is we have I'll

[1:30:33] say him again and I'm not gonna say Avenue or Rotable Generations, Col S,

[1:30:41] Amalgamite, Repairion, yep, Southbridge Road and Unity. I don't know if the

[1:30:48] one was actually off your seat, I don't know if I said, so not, Necott?

[1:30:53] Yeah, Necott. Necott, okay, Necott.

[1:31:00] Necott? I'm sorry, Stella? N-E-K-O-T. Okay.

[1:31:05] Okay, so those are the ones we have, so what we're thinking of doing is we'll just go down the list here

[1:31:08] and you get one vote per, just raise your hand if you like, is that how we're gonna do it?

[1:31:12] Will we get a resolution? Well, if we go one per and...

[1:31:18] I want to see you spell them.

[1:31:20] I'm not going to spell them, so thank you.

[1:31:22] That one I can spell.

[1:31:23] Generations.

[1:31:24] Oh, yeah.

[1:31:25] I think that's important.

[1:31:26] Col S.

[1:31:29] I think it's C-O-A-R-E-S-C-E, but I'm not 100% sure, but that was correct.

[1:31:33] I did it.

[1:31:34] That was a spelling champ back in seventh grade, but I never heard that word.

[1:31:37] What was it again?

[1:31:39] Amalgamite.

[1:31:39] There we go.

[1:31:40] Pastel.

[1:31:41] Amalgamite.

[1:31:45] Reparian.

[1:31:46] R-I-P-A-R-I-N.

[1:31:48] one. We looked it up on Google.

[1:31:53] Southbridge. We've got that one down. Necott, N-E-K-O-T,

[1:32:00] was just said, and now just thrown in the mix. Unity. U-N-I-T-Y. Unity. Just like you're

[1:32:07] in a spelling bee. So go down the list and then you get one vote per. I don't know.

[1:32:13] Yeah, and then kind of I always have multiple ballots for you. Yeah

[1:32:18] So I'll just start from the top with the first one. So

[1:32:21] If you all have interest in

[1:32:23] Generations raise your hand for that one. So we can only vote for one though. Yeah, yeah

[1:32:29] I've got one two three four for generations

[1:32:35] Thank you

[1:32:36] Cole s I have one two

[1:32:42] Done. Generations it is. You can't beat it up for that.

[1:32:46] I want to say these names again.

[1:32:48] I want you to spell them first without Larry's help.

[1:32:52] And by the way, so the residents and councilors stand, we did have a time crunch in doing this.

[1:32:58] We didn't have a pile of time to do this, to come up with the name.

[1:33:00] So that's kind of why we are where we are right now.

[1:33:02] So we thought we'd finish this at plan commission. Of course that didn't work.

[1:33:06] Optimistic, by the way, I believe was the name of the road, which wasn't horribly wrong.

[1:33:10] But I'll toss it out there.

[1:33:12] Not horribly bad?

[1:33:13] We were coming up with all kinds of things.

[1:33:14] We had a look at 60.

[1:33:15] Just so you know, Larry, James threw you under the bus with that name.

[1:33:21] You didn't come up with anything better.

[1:33:24] Dan would have done the same thing.

[1:33:26] So we were under kind of a time crunch, so now I do believe we're going to meet that.

[1:33:29] And we'll just forward this as obviously a strong recommendation from the Common

[1:33:33] Council.

[1:33:34] Shouldn't we keep going for the record?

[1:33:36] Okay, we'll keep going for the record.

[1:33:37] We're going to bake this meat in the oven.

[1:33:38] Very duly noted.

[1:33:41] Amalgamite.

[1:33:43] Amalgamite.

[1:33:44] Amalgamite.

[1:33:46] Reparian.

[1:33:48] Which by the way, I really did kind of like.

[1:33:50] Southbridge.

[1:33:51] There you go.

[1:33:52] I got it.

[1:33:53] I got it recorded.

[1:33:54] Yeah.

[1:33:55] Nikat.

[1:33:57] Nikat.

[1:33:57] I can give you that.

[1:33:58] And then Unity.

[1:33:59] Give that one a second.

[1:34:01] Why not?

[1:34:02] That gives us the right number.

[1:34:03] What?

[1:34:04] All right.

[1:34:05] It works.

[1:34:05] works. So that said, we have that as a final, so do we need a motion and a second for that?

[1:34:11] We need a motion and a second, and then we'll vote on that one.

[1:34:14] But before we do that, shouldn't we go down the list to figure out if it's going to be

[1:34:17] Avenue, Road, Street, Boulevard?

[1:34:19] And he's shaking his head right now.

[1:34:21] The answer is 100 percent no.

[1:34:23] So we're doing that right now.

[1:34:23] However, as Larry would say, noted. So we'll need a motion and a second for generations.

[1:34:29] I'll make a motion to name the new road generations something.

[1:34:36] motion by Alderperson Rash, second by Alderperson Lebanon for the new road to be named Generations.

[1:34:42] Any to recommend the name of the new road Generations? Any additional comments or discussion?

[1:34:50] Where does it come from there then?

[1:34:52] County, county, county. And we'll give you a final answer.

[1:34:56] Are we worried that anyone's going to think we're being snarky by naming it Generations?

[1:35:00] We quite honestly don't care.

[1:35:03] Considering the fact that the conversation for this bridge started in the summer of 1967.

[1:35:09] That's what I was saying.

[1:35:10] That's fine.

[1:35:11] Yeah, we're just there.

[1:35:12] Okay, everybody?

[1:35:13] Okay.

[1:35:13] So the bridge will be done next year then once we have this finished.

[1:35:16] So good job, everybody.

[1:35:17] Yeah.

[1:35:18] I'm sure if you didn't put that out there.

[1:35:21] Yeah.

[1:35:21] Hopefully they grab on it.

[1:35:22] It's fine by me.

[1:35:23] And then fully paid by everyone except us.

[1:35:25] That's sad.

[1:35:26] All those in favor, this again is for the street name, say, I.

[1:35:31] Aye.

[1:35:33] Opposed?

[1:35:34] Motion carries.

[1:35:35] Thank you.

[1:35:36] We have a bridge name and we have a street name.

[1:35:38] Congratulations everybody.

[1:35:39] You are part of history.

[1:35:41] That took a long time to get to.

[1:35:44] Including tonight.

[1:35:45] Item 27.

[1:35:47] Resolution 2371, authorizing facility rental agreement

[1:35:50] between the city of Depeer and the Depeer Unified School

[1:35:53] District of Depeer.

[1:35:55] We approve.

[1:35:57] I'll second.

[1:35:57] Motion by all the person Hanson, second by all the

[1:35:59] person rash any discussion or comments seeing there is none all those in favor

[1:36:06] roll call vote please all the person rash I carpenter dance I Hanson I Cunninger

[1:36:14] Lebanon I P Rock I quickly I motion carries thank you item 28 appointment to

[1:36:21] historic preservation Commission by Mayor Boyd would approve second motion

[1:36:27] milder person Hanson second by all the person Lebanon any discussion or

[1:36:31] comments. Thank you to Jane Shuler for offering to serve. That said, all those

[1:36:36] in favor say aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Item 29, voucher approval. Move

[1:36:46] to approve. Second. Motion by all the person quickly, seconded by all the

[1:36:50] person led by now. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries.

[1:36:56] Thank you. Item 30. Future agenda items. Does anyone have anything?

[1:37:02] Alderperson Hansen.

[1:37:03] Yeah, so in the downtown we have a lot of...

[1:37:07] We've been gradually replacing the decorative street lights with the new fixtures,

[1:37:11] and from the beginning of North Broadway by Crow's Nest all the way to George Street,

[1:37:17] they've been all replaced on the east side,

[1:37:18] and now a lot of them on the west side have been replaced too.

[1:37:21] But when we go south of George Street,

[1:37:23] So, South Broadway from George Street to kind of where the Malva Center is, they're the old

[1:37:28] lights.

[1:37:29] And the reason why is because those old lights are serviced by WPS, whereas the ones north

[1:37:35] of George Street are owned by the city.

[1:37:37] And WPS has not been willing to entertain the idea of replacing the fixtures to match

[1:37:44] the rest of them, even if the city were to pay for it.

[1:37:47] So, I just like a discussion at the board about how we might be able to proceed

[1:37:50] with this to try to get the fixtures all looking the same.

[1:37:55] Larry's on that. Thank you very much.

[1:37:57] The Board of Public Works, as you said, is noted.

[1:37:59] Should I just say noted? Yeah.

[1:38:01] The Board of Public Works.

[1:38:02] Other future agenda items?

[1:38:07] Okay, seeing there is none.

[1:38:09] We move to the closed session portion,

[1:38:11] items 31 and 32.

[1:38:13] We'll go with 31 first,

[1:38:15] which doesn't have to be closed session,

[1:38:16] but we'll kick it off and go from there.

[1:38:19] So item 31.

[1:38:22] I know I'm not going to I'm just reading item 31 consideration and possible action on proposed

[1:38:28] development agreement terms with Depeer 230 development partners LLC for proposed redevelopment

[1:38:35] for the former shopco store in downtown Depeer Dan you're going to kick this off.

[1:38:45] I'm going to take my time kind of pulling this up here and I'm just going to get back

[1:38:51] there plenty of time.

[1:38:52] We've got at least three and a half hours before our latest meetings.

[1:38:55] There you go.

[1:38:56] All right.

[1:38:57] So I'm going to go through probably, I would probably say, one of the most anticipated questions

[1:39:02] that you've probably been receiving over the past year as well as myself and others.

[1:39:07] I'm going to go through a bit of an overview here, but also the current property owners

[1:39:11] are also available for questions, but I'll try to go through as much of the overview

[1:39:15] as possible.

[1:39:16] I will say it was probably my most lengthy detailed memo I could probably provide.

[1:39:20] So if you have any questions, I missed my target on providing all the details.

[1:39:25] So what this proposal is going to be looking at is a combination of a mixed use development

[1:39:32] and redevelopment of the former SHOPCO facility in our downtown.

[1:39:36] And I'm just trying to touch on the high points.

[1:39:38] There's so much detail that went into this analysis,

[1:39:40] but I'll try to touch on the high points here.

[1:39:42] And to make this work, we're looking at the possible creation

[1:39:44] of three different tax increment districts

[1:39:47] to facilitate the creation of five private development sites and one public development

[1:39:51] site.

[1:39:52] Over a span of four to six years, but again, market realities are sort of the big driver

[1:39:56] piece of that one.

[1:39:58] About $60 million worth of new value to our downtown between about 80 to 85 million worth

[1:40:05] of total construction value, depending on the overall scope of the project and when

[1:40:10] things fall in line.

[1:40:12] We've asked the developer to provide as much detail as possible so we could have

[1:40:16] a realistic conversation about what could be on the site.

[1:40:19] And I think it's important because what we want to be able to do today is kind of create

[1:40:23] some general terms in which that development group can start to use as their baseline skeleton.

[1:40:27] Because what we don't want is we don't want to come back every six months

[1:40:31] and with new terms and new terms and new terms as soft changes.

[1:40:34] So what we're asking tonight is a recommendation from the council to discuss this.

[1:40:39] And the reason why it's a council here is normally this stage of a process would be

[1:40:43] the Finance and Personnel Committee, but because of its large impactful nature to our downtown,

[1:40:48] we felt that the council would likely be the one who'd want to have a discussion point about this

[1:40:52] one. So it's still a terms discussion here at this point, a little bit out of ordinary,

[1:40:57] but it's still a terms discussion with the end result of staff being able to work with the

[1:41:02] development group on proposed development agreement and bring that back on an each

[1:41:06] individual basis. So that's the overall impetus for tonight. So as we go through this here,

[1:41:12] See if my mouth starts working here.

[1:41:14] Again, we're talking about the creation of three separate tax increment districts.

[1:41:18] They would be blight elimination or rehab and conservation districts.

[1:41:21] They have the same rules 27 years, but the overall important part of this one is we don't want to create one standard district

[1:41:27] because then that clock starts to tick on every one of those buildings.

[1:41:31] And so we lose the opportunity to use our leverage when it comes to tax incremental financing.

[1:41:36] So try to stagger out the creation of these districts as appropriate.

[1:41:39] We've kind of limited it to three buildings of what we thought made sense,

[1:41:42] but that is going to require some creative maneuvering when it comes to structuring those project plans

[1:41:48] because a lot of the public expenditures will be happening inside of a first tax increment district,

[1:41:53] which means there will be a donor allocation district necessary of those remaining two

[1:41:57] to help pay off those municipal infrastructure costs during that time.

[1:42:01] So with that one, we will have to work with the DOR to determine those various different elements,

[1:42:07] but that's what we're talking about here today.

[1:42:11] Real quick, Dan, in the way that you're stating this,

[1:42:14] you're talking about having to layer districts on top of each other?

[1:42:16] No, we would create in separate districts that would be almost single-use or several-use districts.

[1:42:22] They're not going to layer over.

[1:42:23] No, a puzzle piece is more or less how I like to kind of refer to them.

[1:42:29] So the overall scenario here, I think we all know the site.

[1:42:31] I usually would put up a street view photos,

[1:42:33] But I think we're all sort of aware of the sites are downtown former shop co-facility and the area of discussion tonight

[1:42:40] Is primarily around the existing building as well as the privately owned parking lot?

[1:42:45] So I put up the renderings they're in your packet the proposed renderings are part of discussion here tonight

[1:42:51] but again, they're meant to be enough of a

[1:42:53] Conceptual diagram to start moving us forward towards those conversations and I think as we get further along

[1:43:00] I start labeling the buildings, but overall, think of the site as a mixed-use center both

[1:43:04] horizontally and vertically, meaning we have vertical integration of uses and mix of uses

[1:43:10] going horizontally, meaning we have different types of buildings as we go along.

[1:43:16] This iteration with the ownership group, we've been working with them for a while

[1:43:21] now on kind of finding the best fit from a scale and size standpoint.

[1:43:25] And so that's the reason why you're seeing the buildings as presented here.

[1:43:28] it's multiple buildings versus maybe one or two large buildings or three large

[1:43:32] buildings and the reason for that is to break up massing and scaling and kind of

[1:43:36] create human scale as we work through. I think the plan commission made that

[1:43:40] point known especially when it came to our new zoning code again talking

[1:43:43] about massing and so the ownership group really took that to heart in this

[1:43:47] case. But it also includes a public parking component as well as a public

[1:43:51] plaza component and so you see that public plaza that's behind that the

[1:43:55] buildings. I want to mean public, meaning it's accessible to the public but would

[1:43:59] be privately owned, but the overall intent is for it to be a 360 degree

[1:44:03] designed building so that people can use the building, plaza space, patio spaces,

[1:44:08] green spaces, and providing that that element of light to each one of those

[1:44:11] buildings as well. So massing for you. We'll go through each individual

[1:44:16] building at a very high level, but in short range of building size from

[1:44:20] two stories to five stories from the residential standpoint and six

[1:44:24] stories in some of the residentials and then a potential as illustrated on here as a hotel.

[1:44:30] Again, the overall configuration can change as new projects come in but the overall goal

[1:44:34] is to provide a mix of uses both horizontally and vertically.

[1:44:39] Some conceptual renderings that were provided.

[1:44:41] Again, it may not meet all of the code elements but overall just conceptually you can kind

[1:44:46] of see how it fits within the overall ramifications of the downtown.

[1:44:50] town you can see the right now we're looking north on Wisconsin Street looking

[1:44:55] north towards what would be the shop go parking lot at this point.

[1:45:00] Walsh Plaza is the water wall that you see right there, or the wind wall you see right there.

[1:45:06] And again, looking at it from just a slightly different perspective, looking at the rear of the building,

[1:45:10] you can kind of see how that, again, the public space sort of wraps the building, the public kind of quasi-public private space.

[1:45:17] And again, just some representative images or sample images to get character and feel for what the development group is looking for.

[1:45:23] Those are in your packet.

[1:45:25] So the concept proposal, I'm going to go through them here.

[1:45:27] Again, I put the letters on there for a little bit bolder scale here.

[1:45:33] But building A, six stories with first two stories being retail and commercial space.

[1:45:38] You can see the details. I won't go through them all.

[1:45:40] And then three to six floors being market rate residential.

[1:45:44] Building B would be a two stories.

[1:45:47] Again, trying to bring that scale back down to kind of break up that height

[1:45:49] would be an office and retail commercial component building first and second floor.

[1:45:54] Building C on Broadway, you're looking at that currently positioned as a potential hotel user

[1:46:01] with first floor, typical hotel uses on that first floor with second and seventh floors being included in that one.

[1:46:08] It's modeled just right now as is, but again, a hotel operator is going to come in with their own brand,

[1:46:13] their own feel and their own components.

[1:46:15] So, again, it's just modeled that way now to provide some conceptual feel.

[1:46:21] Underground parking, above ground parking, those are all things that have to be discussed

[1:46:24] during when that hotel operator starts to provide interest.

[1:46:29] As we continue to move forward, oh, this one had more transitions in it.

[1:46:33] Building D is a mix of, again, retail and residential, but primarily being retail and

[1:46:38] office on those first two floors and commercial.

[1:46:41] The third and fourth fifth, maybe sixth floor, depending on how the building is configured is 20 units of condominium development.

[1:46:48] So again, now we're changing rental rates with condominium rates as well.

[1:46:52] So we have two different, again, types of residential styles.

[1:46:55] And building F that you see on there is four stories, again with first floor retail commercial opportunities,

[1:47:00] and then residential 60 units there.

[1:47:02] Building E that you see there is proposed to be a public parking structure.

[1:47:06] I think we've all heard the parking in our downtown needs to be fixed and needs to be corrected.

[1:47:09] I don't think I go a week without hearing that, but as part of it, we're talking a little bit about that.

[1:47:14] So, in this case, that's when we, as a council, you guys authored Walker to go and understand this impact to the parking calculations,

[1:47:23] and I did include that in the memo as well.

[1:47:26] Public investment proposals, as you can see, are on there about public infrastructure.

[1:47:30] So, there's several street reconstructions and right-of-ways, some acquisitions as proposed in those general terms.

[1:47:35] that includes ownerships and purchasing of right-of-ways purchasing of the

[1:47:40] parking structure land and then development of those public facilities as

[1:47:44] well. So I won't go through too much of those. In the packet you saw that we took

[1:47:49] a high-level view as much as we could with as much detail as we could for

[1:47:54] those evaluations of each project. So we evaluated each project for its market

[1:47:58] rates of returns and wanted to compare them to other market realities. And so

[1:48:02] So I won't go through each one, but it is in the packet, I can respond to questions.

[1:48:06] But we did, in each one of these analysis, we took a 10-year projection of just basic,

[1:48:12] the rent projections, expense projections, so that we can have an understanding of how

[1:48:16] these projects would perform over time.

[1:48:18] And again, our whole goal is to make sure, one, it works for the district, but it also

[1:48:21] works for the developer.

[1:48:22] They're meeting their expected rates of return, but we're also not overreaching

[1:48:25] in that aspect as well, because there is only so much tools we have in the toolbox

[1:48:30] when it comes to tax incremental financing.

[1:48:34] So I won't go through each one individually,

[1:48:36] but that's the overall.

[1:48:37] I have them detailed listed out here

[1:48:39] if we decide to go back and forth through some of these,

[1:48:41] but I just broke down the structure,

[1:48:43] how the overall roughly financing structure,

[1:48:46] loan to value, stuff like that.

[1:48:48] I have the thing, the overall summaries tables included

[1:48:52] as well that talks a little bit

[1:48:53] about the public financing part of it,

[1:48:56] so we can touch a little bit on those ones.

[1:48:58] But in short, this bottom two tables here are sort of what comes in play, which is the overall percent of proposed public financing assistance towards this project.

[1:49:08] And so I did include that in the packet.

[1:49:10] The summary comes down to we're proposing in this case to break up the public financing part into two different pieces.

[1:49:18] the upfront cash grant to help sort of move the project along right on the front end,

[1:49:24] but then also extending out our opportunities to support through the use of municipal revenue obligations

[1:49:31] or what are typically known as pay-go agreements and in this case.

[1:49:34] So you can see what that breaks down to is of the overall increment projected to be generated through this project

[1:49:40] and we have about 41% of it net present value in incentives.

[1:49:46] When you include cost of borrowing, when you include the net present or the cost to those

[1:49:51] municipal revenue obligations and interest involved, you're looking at about 70% of the

[1:49:56] total increment generated geared towards the incentives towards this project.

[1:50:01] That seems like a lot, but when we take our typical mechanism of our ratios of increment

[1:50:07] to assess value, we're right in line with a lot of our redevelopment targets,

[1:50:10] which is in that 20% of the overall incentive to our increment value.

[1:50:18] So we're in target where we've been with other redevelopment projects in the past.

[1:50:22] This one does have more infrastructure costs than we've typically had in our downtown projects,

[1:50:27] but it involves potentially reconstructing a street with more streetscape elements,

[1:50:30] adding a whole new street back to our network public parking ramp construction.

[1:50:35] So as I kind of wrap up here, I did include sort of the general terms,

[1:50:39] But in short, I've sort of outlined all those pieces that's in your packet.

[1:50:44] There's a lot of information there.

[1:50:46] But in short, each one of those development agreements we're proposing to include the conceptual timelines, site plans prior to the development agreements.

[1:50:54] And because we have internal site plan review process, that can be sped along as things move forward.

[1:51:00] Minimum assessed value, minimum tax values per schedule, because we're trying to take advantage of our potential increment growth from just property value appreciations.

[1:51:11] And also looking at, again, that ratio in each one of those agreements of the incentive pay go versus upfront cash grant.

[1:51:19] We sort of outlined where we think it needs to be, but we still want to have the flexibility to come back and say maybe it makes more sense to move those dollar amounts one way or the other.

[1:51:28] And each one of those agreements will also include the city obligations, project costs,

[1:51:32] reimbursement grants, annual pay goes.

[1:51:35] The overall goal is if the developer finds that what we originally laid out here doesn't

[1:51:39] work for them, we want to be able to come back and say, okay, yes, that makes sense.

[1:51:42] We can move some things around here and then come back with a final development

[1:51:45] agreement.

[1:51:46] We know each one of these projects is going to be its own challenge and as a result

[1:51:50] we want to make sure we have enough flexibility to come back with a development agreement

[1:51:53] that works sort of for each party.

[1:51:58] So roughly, I tried to go through it quickly.

[1:52:01] I allotted more time, but I didn't realize what time it is here, but I know that the ownership

[1:52:06] group is here for any questions that you may have, but again, if you wish to kind of go

[1:52:10] in a closed session and kind of discuss any of these things, that option is available

[1:52:13] to you as well.

[1:52:14] Okay, so we'll probably do so you understand what the do's and don'ts are.

[1:52:18] We're going to go to our attorney right now, so Tony, tell us how things kind

[1:52:21] of go from here.

[1:52:22] Sure, I'll just touch account on a couple of points just logistically or mechanically as Dan indicated

[1:52:31] the council would have the option to go into closed session if they had any

[1:52:36] questions or wish to discuss for competitive bargaining negotiating reasons any of the

[1:52:42] terms that have been set out in the packet and the term sheet that has been presented

[1:52:48] So anything specifically, Council could choose to go into closed session to have further discussion with staff in that regard.

[1:52:56] In addition, as Dan indicated, and as you can see the developers here and would be available to answer any questions or make any comments,

[1:53:06] and that would be contained in open session. So just a couple of points of note moving forward.

[1:53:12] Thank you. So you guys can take a try of questions if you like, and we'll determine from there.

[1:53:16] other person rash I have a question for the city attorney so and for Dan a

[1:53:22] little bit here on this one so my my understanding here right now is this is

[1:53:26] still a process there's nothing definitive being really decided tonight

[1:53:30] aside from let's move forward and continue conversations and get some more

[1:53:34] of the nitty-gritty worked out in my understanding that correctly so I mean

[1:53:38] I don't know how much conversation or questioning we can have on terms and

[1:53:42] at this point because of that, or am I?

[1:53:45] No, typically if this was at the finance, we'd be looking for a recommendation of these

[1:53:50] draft terms here, and typically we then have the opportunity to, if we find that the terms

[1:53:55] are starting to move around, we can either bring them back as a terms discussion or

[1:53:59] bring them forward if they're just nominal enough that we can just let the council

[1:54:02] know when the development agreement is ready that we've made some tweaks from

[1:54:06] the finance committee's recommendation as a result of the market.

[1:54:09] Okay.

[1:54:09] Does that help answer your question?

[1:54:10] Yeah, it does.

[1:54:10] I think you're I think you're on yes yeah all the person carpenter so some of

[1:54:15] this infrastructure that's got to be done I mean a lot of infrastructure was done

[1:54:21] especially water main when the other development never went nowhere when the

[1:54:25] shop code development went on and there's a large water main pipe that was

[1:54:29] put in can anybody is that going to be moved or we're going to be using some

[1:54:33] of that stuff or so yeah so some of the the infrastructure in in Wisconsin

[1:54:38] in discussions with our city engineer potentially has the opportunity to be reused.

[1:54:44] Some of the ductile iron probably has an opportunity now to move it.

[1:54:47] But if we're going to be looking at doing pavement reconfigurations and streetscape elements,

[1:54:51] there may be opportunities to look at that.

[1:54:54] In the terms you see if the proposal is not to include any upgrades to pipes or anything else like that,

[1:55:01] but stuff has to be moved because it's currently sitting where a building needs to sit.

[1:55:05] The terms sort of outline whose responsibility that is.

[1:55:08] If the city ever says, okay, now that we're doing this,

[1:55:10] we'd like to up-size things so that we're better serviced ourselves,

[1:55:14] that's also outlined in the terms that that's a city cost.

[1:55:16] So that, you know, we're trying to be fair in whose responsibility it is in those proposed terms.

[1:55:23] All the person I don't know, and you can cut me off on this,

[1:55:26] on the proposed city portion of a garage or a parking area.

[1:55:31] if we don't go in close session I recommend since we're thinking of

[1:55:36] generations down the road that would make this parking area large enough that

[1:55:41] it's not going to be needed to be done later and Larry or Daniel take that just

[1:55:49] the Walker study will assist with that okay yeah but I'm just saying that

[1:55:56] hopefully we are large enough there is also a a piece of that one which is the

[1:56:02] cost of a parking structure and for those that are boats you know the cost per

[1:56:06] stall is is quite absorbent so we need to find that balance point other and by

[1:56:12] the way don't let time you know take things away from you all this is a

[1:56:16] pretty important project it's a really big deal so if you have stuff you want

[1:56:19] to bring out or you have questions of please do so don't think we're strapped

[1:56:22] anytime restraint whatsoever here I mean it really is of extremely large

[1:56:27] project and deserves your attention I got a 730 tomorrow morning before I

[1:56:31] gotta be to work. I'm good.

[1:56:34] I'll look for some kind of graph. I think you had your hand up.

[1:56:36] Yeah, I don't. I just want to reiterate what you said earlier that this is

[1:56:40] conceptually like nobody should fall in love with the design. It's largely

[1:56:44] developed to give an explanation to the math, right? Or is the design

[1:56:49] more that it will be five buildings or multiple buildings that

[1:56:55] will be developed over time? Is there, is it somewhere in the middle

[1:56:59] because it won't necessarily be this,

[1:57:02] but that's how we could devise a whole plan

[1:57:05] for the math to work out.

[1:57:07] I think you're probably looking at a pretty good representation

[1:57:11] of scale and of appropriateness.

[1:57:14] I would say maybe the location of a building being,

[1:57:18] maybe not here in building B's location in B,

[1:57:21] maybe it moves or maybe the hotel moves to a different location.

[1:57:23] So it will be five properties.

[1:57:24] I would say the ownership group has looked at this

[1:57:26] This is an opportunity to create the appropriate scale and as you get bigger and bigger buildings

[1:57:32] you lose that human element of scale and you also increase your risk when it comes to overall

[1:57:38] performance.

[1:57:39] You have a much bigger building, much bigger debt, you're not able to bring in as many

[1:57:43] different investors.

[1:57:44] So I would say you're probably pretty close on the massing in scale, that's what we've

[1:57:48] been working towards.

[1:57:49] It's maybe the location and maybe some small tweaks is probably pretty close.

[1:57:53] Now the overall look of the looks and feel of those buildings, those are representative images.

[1:57:59] Every project will be different as it comes in.

[1:58:01] The parking facility, is that one that future development could be on top of it?

[1:58:08] So in our discussions with Walker, who's our parking consultant, we are looking at opportunities for servicing the greater area.

[1:58:17] Now adding scale to that one, adding height to that one also adds height adjacent to the neighborhood.

[1:58:23] We have other parking lots that are already in our downtown that maybe be better utilized for additional buildings instead of adding spaces for parking versus adding spaces for other buildings on top of it.

[1:58:36] And the reason for that one is just, again, a product of scale.

[1:58:39] Once you add buildings on top of parking structures, your costs go up and you start to really kind of change, I guess you would say, the overall dynamic of it.

[1:58:47] So, we're trying to limit the risk to the building, I guess you would say, and again,

[1:58:53] the cost of a parking structure is just something that we're just trying to handle on and try

[1:58:57] to keep as low as possible, but still, again, provide the greatest opportunity for development

[1:59:01] in the immediate surrounding area.

[1:59:06] Are you good?

[1:59:07] You can think of more.

[1:59:08] All the person, Hanson, was your hand up?

[1:59:11] It will be here.

[1:59:14] Terms of the parking structure, are we planning to charge, and if so, is the

[1:59:19] holding on to all that revenue and then in perpetuity.

[1:59:22] So as part of the parking structure,

[1:59:24] that's a separate conversation.

[1:59:26] And it's from this discussion here,

[1:59:28] because that's a whole creation of a parking utility

[1:59:30] and a variety of other elements,

[1:59:31] which we've is in our scope of Walker

[1:59:33] and with Walker to go down.

[1:59:35] But in short, the structure itself

[1:59:39] will have to have paid parking.

[1:59:40] If somebody wants to reside in it for overnight parking

[1:59:44] further, if they have a second car or anything else

[1:59:46] that's not provided in their existing building and they want to lease.

[1:59:50] You're looking at equal lease rates from most likely what's going to be in their structure

[1:59:54] versus what's publicly available for overnight parking.

[1:59:58] There's just no way around being able to build up.

[2:00:00] Parking structure without having a revenue source. That is general public revenue as well

[2:00:04] as additional guaranteed revenue when it comes to general fund, TID district funding and a

[2:00:09] variety of other elements. And the revenue would presumably go to paying

[2:00:13] back all these projects in the TID? The parking ramp revenue will be going to

[2:00:17] pay off the parking ramp. The project itself is to pay off the project revenues that

[2:00:23] we are going for a bar win. The parking ramp in this day and age is not going to

[2:00:27] be your income generating piece.

[2:00:30] Larry wants to chime in.

[2:00:31] Just right now, the intent is to be most

[2:00:33] like they would create a parking utility.

[2:00:36] So it'd be similar words, that kind of a fun word,

[2:00:38] held within that utility.

[2:00:41] Have there been any traffic studies done

[2:00:43] on the impact of reopening up the 500 block of William Street?

[2:00:48] Traffic studies as in the impact of the neighborhood?

[2:00:51] Yes.

[2:00:51] There have not been.

[2:00:53] I mean, I think it's a good idea.

[2:00:54] I'm just kind of curious.

[2:00:57] In terms of the plaza, it looks like that's going to be kind of similar to Mayor Walsh

[2:01:01] Plaza.

[2:01:02] Are there going to be any other amenities there being planned for it?

[2:01:05] That is not the level of detail that we've gotten to this element.

[2:01:08] The overall goal is to provide, again, a public-private partnership, but, again, trying

[2:01:13] to make as much, I guess, just a human movement in between the plaza spaces as possible

[2:01:18] and in and out of the building.

[2:01:20] So, again, that would be designed during that process, during the site plan process.

[2:01:26] And then last question, we get a lot of feedback from residents who need more affordable housing,

[2:01:30] and we also need more market rate housing because then that can free up affordable housing as well.

[2:01:35] It doesn't look like there's any affordable units that are being required in this project,

[2:01:39] so I wonder if you could talk about that.

[2:01:40] Yup.

[2:01:41] It really comes down to making it work from a overall tax and criminal financing standpoint.

[2:01:46] When you take a affordable workforce housing project, the assessed value decreases because the overall income generation decreases.

[2:01:55] So on the income model, you have that.

[2:01:58] Our decreasing or continually decreasing mill rates sort of went into that one, but we sort of stabilized that with our schedules.

[2:02:06] But really it just comes down to isn't quite economically feasible for our 10 districts at this time when you have this level of buildings.

[2:02:13] If you were to do a smaller scale building and bring in a different developer on maybe

[2:02:18] our parking lot to the north in the future, we have opportunities.

[2:02:21] And that's really where the parking ramp comes in play, is if we anticipate greater parking

[2:02:25] needs in the area on some of our existing parking lots to incorporate workforce housing

[2:02:31] or just in other housing opportunities, that helps us kind of turn over some of those

[2:02:36] parking lots to greater opportunities for workforce housing.

[2:02:40] All the person rash.

[2:02:43] Yeah, the first comment is, you know, conceptually looking at this project, it's something that

[2:02:52] downtowns need because it incorporates some of the population density that we need with a combination of different types of,

[2:02:58] whether it's professional retail or even the hotel concept as well.

[2:03:03] And I think in order for that our downtowns to be thriving, we need to have that kind of a mixed use that goes on.

[2:03:11] And the fact that you're actually putting quite a bit of population down there in this project is pretty impressive.

[2:03:19] Looking at, when we go back to the 102 building, looking at some of these being 6 and 7 stories,

[2:03:25] there's some experience in the 102 now that we, at first we weren't sure how high we could go

[2:03:29] and then we had to drive some pilings and then we could hit the fourth floor and then we had the fifth floor.

[2:03:33] Are we worried about some of that same type of structural issue in this area going 6 and 7 stories tall

[2:03:39] with what looks to be a little bit bigger footprint on these buildings?

[2:03:42] That is an ownership question.

[2:03:46] I know they've done their Phase 1 and Phase 2 environmental assessments.

[2:03:50] Usually when people are doing those, they're also doing core drills to figure out their soil suitability.

[2:03:54] I don't know if they've done that at this time.

[2:03:57] I will also note that in the Council and the Plan Commission made note that,

[2:04:02] as we start to get to these higher buildings, we start talking about the 102,

[2:04:04] two you notice that as it gets higher up it steps back into the away from this

[2:04:08] from the streetscape that is required in our downtown anything above three

[2:04:12] stories as well so there's opportunities for how much and how far you go back but

[2:04:16] so we talk about human scale as we go up I did want to make sure make the

[2:04:20] public aware that some of the images you may see today aren't exactly to meet

[2:04:25] code but as we go through that process they will I guess you say evolve over

[2:04:28] time okay so I guess in terms of you know some of the terms we were

[2:04:33] talking about possibly going to close session for I think conceptually this is

[2:04:36] something that the city needs in terms of that mixed use getting that population

[2:04:40] density down to help help create and make this the downtowns work really well

[2:04:46] so that that's exciting for me it was the one comment and then it was about

[2:04:53] the height of the buildings which are if we've gone to that level yet to look

[2:04:56] at that we can go to six and seven you know because I know there was

[2:05:00] conversation back and forth when we did the 102 that oops we can't go that high

[2:05:04] oh now we can and now we're gonna add that other fifth floor back on top so okay

[2:05:09] other questions I'm looking at this side right here I don't miss anybody and

[2:05:13] we're all good back to this side again can we get it done by the draft they're

[2:05:24] You're laughing in the way you pass.

[2:05:25] So I'm going to say.

[2:05:26] No.

[2:05:27] Just the one part.

[2:05:29] Maybe one part.

[2:05:29] Hypothetically speaking.

[2:05:30] Just the first one.

[2:05:31] So what we need right now.

[2:05:32] Now you need to see if you want to go into closed session.

[2:05:34] So we can, someone can make a motion just for the terms of concept and that's, we're

[2:05:38] done with it, correct?

[2:05:40] Or if you have something else you want to discuss, that's just, in your minds,

[2:05:43] we have to go to closed session.

[2:05:44] So the request is to go to closed session and talk about terms of concept.

[2:05:46] Is that?

[2:05:47] No.

[2:05:47] You can just, you can just.

[2:05:48] If we prove it as it is.

[2:05:50] Or if you want to talk about it more in closed session, we could do that.

[2:05:54] But my only follow-up to that would be the approval tonight is not locking down all those terms.

[2:06:00] There's still some opportunity for things to change and whatnot as we go through the process.

[2:06:04] We're not locked into what happens right now.

[2:06:06] In the terms, there is a statement in it that says we are requesting the ability to be a little bit flexible,

[2:06:11] but if we deviate beyond what we feel is comfortable as the city attorney, city administrator,

[2:06:16] and development services director of what the spirit of the approved terms was, we would bring it back.

[2:06:20] And the only reason I make that clarifying question is when we go back to the big project

[2:06:25] that's about to finish this summer, I know some things change as we went through the process.

[2:06:30] With those terms, and so I just want to make sure there's a little bit of that opportunity or flexibility

[2:06:36] that's there if something has to change that you'll bring it back to us so we can look at that.

[2:06:40] Yeah, you'd be notified of any changes prior to any development agreement.

[2:06:43] Okay.

[2:06:44] So it's basically your comfort level with the people that he had just mentioned,

[2:06:46] You know so which I am I'm comfortable to but it's entirely up to you all right here

[2:06:53] So if that's the case, we don't have to go to closed session you can make a motion in a second to

[2:06:58] Yeah, at this point. I would make a motion to to approve and accept the the recommendation from the

[2:07:06] Development services director terms of terms of concept. Do we want to use that as the just proposed development or post-development?

[2:07:14] Second.

[2:07:14] I'm good with that.

[2:07:15] Hang on.

[2:07:16] Proposed development agreement terms?

[2:07:18] That's what the agenda says.

[2:07:20] Thank you.

[2:07:20] I'm good with that.

[2:07:21] First, second, you both okay with that?

[2:07:23] So we have a motion by Alderperson Rash, second by Alderperson Gantz.

[2:07:26] Now that we have the motion and second, any additional comments and or discussion,

[2:07:30] as is well called, all irregular?

[2:07:32] No.

[2:07:33] Just regular.

[2:07:34] Okay.

[2:07:34] Any additional comments or questions?

[2:07:36] Alderperson Hansen.

[2:07:37] We may want to open up the meeting for the developers to say a few words

[2:07:40] and also address other person rashes question about the story of your call

[2:07:44] I'll make a motion to open the meeting

[2:07:46] motion by other person Hanson second by other person Levin to Levin to open up the meeting

[2:07:51] all those in favor say aye

[2:07:54] opposed motion carries thank you any or all the gentlemen want to go to this table right here

[2:07:58] we have two seats but we can probably just have one and it looks like

[2:08:02] either of you Andy for sure wasn't trying

[2:08:05] Sure, I thought you were inviting him up.

[2:08:07] He wasn't even budging.

[2:08:08] He got the coat on.

[2:08:09] That's a name and address.

[2:08:10] Good evening.

[2:08:11] Well, we have your name and address then.

[2:08:12] I'm Jason Tadek.

[2:08:13] I live at 3032 Automotive Circle in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

[2:08:17] Thank you.

[2:08:17] Member, one of the questions you want to try to address for them or whatever, you

[2:08:20] will start with the question regarding the deep foundation system from Alderman Ranch.

[2:08:26] The short answer is we believe that we will need deep foundation systems on this site.

[2:08:32] As we're taking the buildings taller, they get heavier.

[2:08:36] There's no doubt that we're going to need some underground parking.

[2:08:39] And certainly, we do no reason to believe at this point in time that the foundations or the soil bearing capacities are wildly different from the sites at the 102.

[2:08:48] You know, it's part of the reason that the request for some assistance here is a little bit higher than our initial request at the 102.

[2:08:55] So those numbers including the deep foundation system are already you know

[2:08:59] someone baked into our budgets for this project. And the deep foundation system

[2:09:03] allows you to also do the underground parking in place correct? Correct. And are

[2:09:07] you going to use a very similar ratio to parking like you did with the 102? We

[2:09:11] we hope to even have a higher parking ratio. You know certainly when we when

[2:09:15] we added the fifth floor to the 102 we ended up two shorts two stalls short

[2:09:19] at the 102 so we're a little less than one for one and we would

[2:09:23] certainly like to be, you know, at least one for one and then certainly have the

[2:09:27] ability to, for residents needing a second car, the ability to have some

[2:09:31] additional supplemental parking and then the parking structure we think will be

[2:09:34] an advantage for everyone in the neighborhood. Perfect, thank you. Thank you.

[2:09:39] Other comments or questions before, do you want to make any kind of, all the

[2:09:44] person coming in, I'm sorry I didn't see your NFL drive. What about timing? Oh the timing for the NFL

[2:09:50] I would love to say that we would be able to get this done, and particularly a hotel

[2:09:54] for the NFL Draft, I just really hesitate to say that that's really even feasible at

[2:10:01] this point in time.

[2:10:01] And we're talking about some outline terms today, even if we push the go button in the

[2:10:07] next 60 to 90 days, we'd be 90 days to draw plans, 90 days to per minute.

[2:10:13] And then realistically in today's world with lead times for a lot of our electrical gear

[2:10:20] and appliances and just the general backup in the construction industry,

[2:10:26] we're looking at probably 12 to 18 months to build one of these buildings.

[2:10:31] It's in 2025.

[2:10:33] So you want to go to the full session now and talk about this or what?

[2:10:38] Did you have anything else, other person coming here?

[2:10:41] Anyone else have any questions?

[2:10:43] Alderperson Hansen.

[2:10:44] Yeah, in terms of the timeline, in Daniel's memo, it's kind of staggered, some 24, 25, 26, 27.

[2:10:51] Just kind of wondering your thought process behind that.

[2:10:55] Well, the reason that we have, you know, I guess I'll back up a little bit.

[2:10:58] You know, when we first started this project, we were looking at doing, you know, one to two significantly larger structures

[2:11:03] and having the mixed uses be kind of baked into a larger structure.

[2:11:07] as the world changed a little bit with construction pricing

[2:11:12] as also the cost of interest and some of the overall economic uncertainty

[2:11:17] that's been, I guess, present in recent years.

[2:11:21] We decided that it made more sense for us to pull back the scale of the project

[2:11:25] and to, you know, number one, to respect the scale of the neighborhood in the downtown

[2:11:29] and number two, to make each individual project a little less of a hurdle

[2:11:35] to get into the ground and out of the ground to also allow us to react a little bit more

[2:11:39] quickly to changes in the market.

[2:11:42] Keeping all of these projects a little bit more bite size rather than a full meal I think

[2:11:52] will allow us to actually proceed through the site with a little more consistency and

[2:11:58] really get the first project, focus on the first project and get it going sooner than

[2:12:03] it would if we were to have one larger project here.

[2:12:07] And the aesthetics of the buildings, they look similar to the 102 on Broadway?

[2:12:10] Yeah, I think that if you take a look at the 102, if you look at the projects that I recently

[2:12:17] completed in downtown Appleton and downtown Nina, I think you'll see some design similarities.

[2:12:23] I'm a believer in having some fairly classic lines to things with some classic materials.

[2:12:30] and I like to build projects that look like they've been there for a while and that look

[2:12:35] like they're going to fit in for 50 years, at least after that.

[2:12:40] Generations.

[2:12:41] Oh, yeah.

[2:12:42] For generations.

[2:12:43] Correct.

[2:12:44] For generations, yes.

[2:12:45] Keep that going.

[2:12:47] The theme of the night.

[2:12:48] If that keeps on giving.

[2:12:51] All the first names?

[2:12:52] I'm good.

[2:12:52] You're good?

[2:12:53] Shane has got some.

[2:12:54] By the way, since we get a lot of e-mails and phone calls regarding the shop go building,

[2:12:57] And of course it's going to come down so you can publicly state right now the shop go buildings coming down because I get suggestions for all kinds

[2:13:03] Of things in that building provided we come to terms on a development agreement

[2:13:06] Building will come based on what we're seeing that generally is the general idea

[2:13:10] You want to go in close session Halloween Express. Yeah, that's his favorite one

[2:13:17] That's what he always said

[2:13:20] So just to get that out there for the general public right now

[2:13:23] Alderperson Lebanon. That was my question. It says in here raise shopco building prior to January 1st, 2024

[2:13:29] That would be our goal. Awesome. So thank you

[2:13:33] Sorry about that all the person Lebanon apologies. I'll any other questions that we have. Well Jason's right here

[2:13:41] Jason any else that you want to offer while we're an open session?

[2:13:44] Well, I just want to you know first of all say it's always a pleasure to work with with the city of the pier

[2:13:49] Dan's been working tirelessly on this project

[2:13:52] I really appreciate his assistance.

[2:13:54] This doesn't happen without him.

[2:13:56] It's a great community to work with.

[2:13:58] We have great staff and a terrific community.

[2:14:01] And thank you for your support on this.

[2:14:03] Thank you very much.

[2:14:05] Thank you.

[2:14:05] Thank you to all of you.

[2:14:06] So yeah, it's great interest that you have in the site

[2:14:08] and all that you're doing so far.

[2:14:10] So anybody else?

[2:14:12] All right.

[2:14:13] I need a motion then to go back.

[2:14:14] So moved.

[2:14:15] Second.

[2:14:15] Motion by Elder Person Rash.

[2:14:17] Second by Elder Person Levinna.

[2:14:18] To go back to regular session.

[2:14:20] All those in favor say aye.

[2:14:21] Hi.

[2:14:22] Hi.

[2:14:22] Opposed?

[2:14:23] Motion carries.

[2:14:24] Thank you.

[2:14:25] We're back in regular session right now.

[2:14:26] We do have a motion and we do have a second on the terms and the project.

[2:14:31] So any additional questions and or comments?

[2:14:33] All the person can'ts.

[2:14:34] I just want to say thank you for putting all your hard work into it.

[2:14:38] And I think it looks great.

[2:14:40] And we're excited.

[2:14:41] And I'm sure the community is going to be excited.

[2:14:44] It's been a while.

[2:14:45] So everyone is like, what are you doing with that job?

[2:14:48] What's going in there?

[2:14:49] So, we're excited.

[2:14:51] Thank you.

[2:14:58] Exactly.

[2:15:02] Any additional comments? End our discussion.

[2:15:06] Seeing there is none, first step moving on right now. That said, all those in favor say aye.

[2:15:14] Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Step one. Thank you gentlemen. Thank you.

[2:15:20] So what is Facebook?

[2:15:31] Now we officially will be going to close session for this next item we have to correct okay

[2:15:36] so now I'm going to go with the legally stuff should I get the motion from them first and

[2:15:40] then say this we need a motion to go on to our I'll read this first which I just asked

[2:15:46] All right, all right. I will say the item is 32 consideration of possible action of Fire Department pay claims.

[2:15:53] Me read. Please take notice that the council may convene in closed session for agenda item now 32 pursuant to any of the following provisions on the Wisconsin Statue 1985L.

[2:16:05] For the purpose of deliberating or negotiating the purchasing of public properties, investing in public funds, or conducting other specified public business,

[2:16:13] whenever competitive or bargaining reasons require a closed session, and for conferring with legal counsel who is rendering oral or written advice concerning strategy to be adopted by the counsel with respect to litigation in which it is or is likely to become involved.

[2:16:29] The counsel may then reconvene thereafter in open session pursuant to Wisconsin Statue Section 1985-2 to report the results of the closed session and consider the balance of the agenda I would now entertain a motion.

[2:16:42] We'll make a motion to go into a closed session.

[2:16:45] Motion by Alderperson Rash, seconded by Alderperson Gantz.

[2:16:49] Roll call, vote please.

[2:16:51] Alderperson Carpenter?

[2:16:52] Aye.

[2:16:52] Gantz?

[2:16:53] Aye.

[2:16:54] Hansen?

[2:16:54] Aye.

[2:16:55] Conninger?

[2:16:55] Aye.

[2:16:56] Ludvina?

[2:16:57] Aye.

[2:16:58] Pee Rock?

[2:16:58] Aye.

[2:16:59] Quigley?

[2:16:59] Aye.

[2:17:00] Rash?

[2:17:00] Aye.

[2:17:01] Please take notice that this meeting will be locked for the closed session.

[2:17:04] Unauthorized attendees will be disconnected from the meeting during the closed session.

[2:17:08] If you'd like to rejoin the meeting after the closed session, please wait five minutes and use the same meeting connection information to reconnect to the meeting.

[2:17:15] You'll be placed in the meeting lobby until the meeting resumes from the closed session.

[2:17:20] If you are not part of the closed session at this time, please disconnect from the meeting now.

[2:17:25] Jamie, I've done it. I've read it. You can now do it.

[2:17:29] Thank you.

[2:17:30] We're

[2:17:33] all set.

[2:17:34] Nope.

[2:17:35] Not yet.

[2:17:36] There's a, you're waiting.

[2:17:37] I'm going to take the mics off though.

[2:17:39] I can do that much.

[2:17:40] Caller 1 has been disbanded.

[2:17:43] This conference will now be recorded.

[2:17:46] We have software.

[2:17:47] Back on.

[2:17:48] All mics are on.

[2:17:49] We are now back in regular session and I'd entertain a motion on item 32,

[2:17:54] consideration impossible action on fire department pay claims.

[2:17:58] I will make a motion to approve the settlement as proposed.

[2:18:01] I'll second.

[2:18:01] Motion by Alderperson Levinas, seconded by Alderperson Gantz.

[2:18:05] Any additional discussion and or comments?

[2:18:08] Seeing there is none, roll call vote please.

[2:18:11] Alderperson Hansen?

[2:18:12] Aye.

[2:18:12] Cunninger?

[2:18:13] Aye.

[2:18:13] Levinas?

[2:18:14] Aye.

[2:18:15] Pee Rock?

[2:18:15] Aye.

[2:18:16] Quigley?

[2:18:16] Aye.

[2:18:17] Rash?

[2:18:17] Aye.

[2:18:18] Carpenter?

[2:18:19] Aye.

[2:18:19] Gantz?

[2:18:20] Aye.

[2:18:21] Motion carries.

[2:18:21] Thank you.

[2:18:22] Item 33, I'd entertain a motion to adjourn.

[2:18:26] So moved.

[2:18:28] Second.

[2:18:29] Motion by Alderperson Quigley, seconded by Alderperson Fierock.

[2:18:32] All those in favor say aye.

[2:18:33] Aye.

[2:18:34] Aye.

[2:18:35] Opposed?

[2:18:35] Motion carries.

[2:18:36] Thank you.

[2:18:37] We're officially adjourned.

[2:18:37] Thank you everybody.

Common Council Regular Meeting

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