Agenda
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Closed Session at 6:00 p.m.
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ROLL CALL
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PUBLIC COMMENT (CLOSED SESSION AGENDA ITEMS ONLY)
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CALL TO ORDER
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PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
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ROLL CALL
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CONFLICT OF INTEREST
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APPROVAL OF AGENDA
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PRESENTATIONS/PROCLAMATIONS/RECOGNITION
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Proclamation designating May 11-17, 2025 as National Police week. Item Initiated By: Robert Thompson, Chief of Police Authorized By: Jim Lindley, City Manager Presented By: Mayor Steve Bird
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Proclamation designating May 18-24, 2025 as National Public Works Week. Item Initiated By: Louren Kotow, Public Works Director Authorized By: Jim Lindley, City Manager Presented By: Mayor Steve Bird
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PUBLIC COMMENT (NON-AGENDA ITEMS)
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ITEMS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
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Waive second reading, read by title only, and adopt an Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Dixon amending Chapter 12.11, Bicycles, and adding Chapter 12.12 Electric Scooters, to Title 12 Vehicles and Traffic, of the Dixon Municipal Code. Item Initiated By: Robert Thompson, Chief of Police Authorized By: Jim Lindley, City Manager Prepared By: Robert Thompson, Chief of Police Presented By: Robert Thompson, Chief of Police
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UNFINISHED BUSINESS
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NEW BUSINESS
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City Treasurer Quarterly Investment Report. Item Initiated By: City Council Authorized By: Jim Lindley, City Manager Presented By: City Treasurer Simon LeBleu
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Receive an update on outreach for the proposed project Harvest at Dixon and provide direction on the Draft Harvest at Dixon Vision and Guiding Principles. Initiated By: Raffi Boloyan, Community Development Director Authorized By: Jim Lindley, City Manager Prepared By: Madeline Graf, Economic Development Manager / PIO Raffi Boloyan, Community Development Director Steve Peterson, Contract Planner Presented By: Raffi Boloyan, Community Development Director Steve Peterson, Contract Planner Madeline Graf, Economic Development Manager / PIO
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Receive an update of the third quarter Fiscal Year (FY) 2024-25 budget projections and financial results and approve the recommended budget adjustments. Item Initiated By: Kate Zawadzki, Finance Director Authorized By: Jim Lindley, City Manager Prepared By: Kate Zawadzki, Finance Director Presented By: Kate Zawadzki, Finance Director
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Matters pertaining to Pardi Shade Structure:
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Adopt a Resolution of Intention of the Council of the City of Dixon stating its intent to amend the contract between the California Public Employees’ Retirement System (CalPERS) and the City of Dixon (“City”) in order to implement the pension cost share provision in accordance with California Government Code section 20516, Compensation Plans and Memorandum of Understandings (MOU) between the City of Dixon and represented and unrepresented employee groups; and (2) Adopt, on first reading, an Ordinance amending the City’s contract with CalPERS. This Ordinance will return to the Council on second reading in accordance with state law. Item Initiated By: Rachel Ancheta, Human Resources Director Authorized By: Jim Lindley, City Manager Prepared By: Rachel Ancheta, Human Resources Director Kim Stalie, Human Resources Analyst II Presented By: Rachel Ancheta, Human Resources Director
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Update on the Engineering Department’s efforts on active projects and securing grants through the Local Highway Safety Improvement Program (HSIP). This will include an update on the construction of the City’s HSIP Cycle 10 Project, the Plans, Specifications, and Engineering (PS&E) for the City’s HSIP Cycle 11 Project, and the grant application and award of the City’s HSIP Cycle 12 projects. Item Initiated By: Christopher Fong, P.E., City Engineer/Director of Utilities Authorized By: Jim Lindley, City Manager Prepared By: Jordan Santos, Junior Engineer Presented By: Jordan Santos, Junior Engineer
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PUBLIC COMMENT (NON-AGENDA ITEMS)
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ITEMS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL
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ITEMS FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY
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ITEMS FROM THE CITY MANAGER
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INFORMATIONAL ITEMS - Upcoming Meetings (30-day Calendar)
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We welcome to the Dixon City Council meeting for May 6, 2025. We're going to start off with a closed session tonight. We're going to be meeting what we get at seven. So, Madam Clerk, we have a roll call for the closed session.
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Council member Ernest, council member Hendershot, council member Johnson, Vice Mayor Bogg, Mayor Bird.
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All right, 0.1 public comment for closed session items only if you, and when the audience
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like to comment on closed session, now be the time.
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See you then, anyone, oh, and there's no one on Zoom for public comment there.
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All right.
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We will retire to the closed session.
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Good evening.
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Welcome to the Dixon City Council regular meeting for May 6, 2025.
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We just came from a closed session and there's nothing to report out.
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So, I have been said that, let's begin with the Pledge of Allegiance and Mr.
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Hennershot.
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How about you, Leah, this is time.
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Councillor interjecting.
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Councillor interjecting.
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Councillor interjecting.
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Councillor interjecting.
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Councillor interjecting.
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Councillor interjecting.
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Here. Councilmember Henderson.
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Here. Councilmember Johnson.
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Here. Vice Mayor Boat.
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Here.
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All right, is there any conflict of interest
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to report out from any member?
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Seeing none moving on.
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I've had a request by staff to
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pull an item off for next time, 12.5
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and left there's an objection to that.
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I would say, do we have a pool of the agenda, minus that item?
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I'll make that motion.
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First and second.
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And I just would say, is there anyone that wanted to comment on 12.5 before I go?
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Seeing no one, anyone at all?
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To provide public comment via video conferencing.
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Click on right hand.
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The Attella conference press star nine.
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And there's no public comment there.
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Okay. Let's go ahead and have our pool of the agenda.
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A roll call, minus 12.5.
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Council member Ernest, Council member Hendershire.
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Council member Johnson, Vice Mayor Bogue, Mayor Verge.
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Aye, item six, presentations,анд procs, recommendations, recognition.
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We have a proclamation as the president.
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May 11th, 2012, 2025 as National Police Week and I will go ahead and read that.
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City of Dicks and Park Proclamation National Police Week 2025.
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To recognize national police week 2025 and to honor the service and sacrifice of those law enforcement officers killed in line of beauty while protecting our communities in safeguarding our democracy.
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Whereas there are more than 800,000 law enforcement officers serving in the communities across the United States, included the dedicated members of the police department.
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We're as since the first recorded death in 1786 there are currently more than 24,000 law enforcement officers in the United States who have made the ultimate sacrifice and been killed in the line of duty.
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Whereas the names of these dedicated public servants are engraved on the walls of the national law enforcement officers memorial in Washington DC.
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We're as the service and sacrifice of all officers killed in the line of duty will be honored during the national law enforcement officers Memorial Fund's 37th Candleye visual on the evening of May 13th, 2025.
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We're as the Candleye visual this morning of the national police week which will be observed this year on May 11th through 17th.
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Where as May 15th is designated as Peace Officers Memorial Day and on over the fallen officers and their families and U.S. flag should be flown an F staff.
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Therefore, be it resolved that the city of Dixon will observe May 11 through 17th, 2025 as National Police Week in Dixon.
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And publicly salutes the services of law enforcement officers in our community and the communities across the nation.
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It had May 6, 2025 Mayor Stephen Burke, and if there's anyone
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like to comment on this, I will allow that.
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Just time.
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Can council members want to comment on it?
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Anyone in the audience?
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Anyone at home?
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We provide public comment.
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The video conferencing click on raise hand.
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Be a teleconference press star nine.
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And there's no public comment there.
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And I just want to share on that note.
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Tomorrow, May 7th, they are having the ceremony at the
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more a wall there, and that events starts at 12 noon if any of you would like to attend.
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All right, I will move on to the next Proclamation.
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Item 6.2, National Public Works Week Proclamation may 18 through 24th to 2025.
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The motto is people, purpose, and presence.
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Press Public Works professionals focus on the infrastructure facilities and services that are vital importance
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to the sustainability and resilient communities and the public health, I call the of life
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and well-being of the people of Dixon.
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And whereas these infrastructure facilities and services could not be provided without
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the dedicated efforts of public works professionals or engineers, managers and employees
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at all levels of government and the private sector who are responsible for rebuilding, improving,
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protecting our nation's transportation, water supply, water treatment, and solid waste
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systems, public buildings, and other structures, and facilities, essential for our citizens.
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And whereas it is in the public interest for the citizens, civic leaders, and children
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index into gain knowledge of and maintain an ongoing interest and understanding of the importance
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of public works, public works programs, and in their respective communities.
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And whereas the year 2025 marks the 65th Annual National Public Works Weeks monitored by American
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Public Works Association, Canadian Public Works Association, be it now resolved, I am
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Air Steeper, due here by a designate, a week of May 18th, through 24th, 2025, as a national
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public works week.
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I urge all citizens to join with representatives of the American Public Works Association
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and government agencies and activities, events and ceremonies designated to pay tribute to
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our public works professionals, engineers, managers, employees, and to recognize the substantial
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contributions, they make to protecting our national health safety and advancing the quality
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of life role. In witness where I have earring to set my hand and cause the seal of the state
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of California, then it's the of Dixon City Council meeting in Dixon, California, this
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sixth day of May 25th. Is there anyone who would like to comment on that from the desk? Anyone
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from the audience? Anyone at all?
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To provide public comments via video conferencing, click on raise hand, via teleconference
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press nor online.
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And there's no public comment mayor.
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Thank you to all the public servants, police and bullet works for all that you do in our community and across the nation.
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All right, brings us to public comment for non agenda items.
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This portion of the agenda is for things that are not listed on our agenda tonight.
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So I have a number of cards for 12.2. This is not the time to talk about that.
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So if there's something that is not on the agenda that anyone would like you share with us at this time,
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Now I'll be the time. Your time limit is three minutes, but we do have two sections where you can do this at the beginning and then so if you can't get in everything you need to say.
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First time around stick around you can talk at the end.
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It's ward.
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Good evening Mr. Mayor of City Council City staff.
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Madam clerks.
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Tonight I'm just going to bring to your attention as Mr. Qu Davis has previously said from our school board.
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He mentioned, quote, honoring the past inspiring the future.
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I was able to attend the Dixon Community Performing Arts Center,
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dedication ceremony.
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I'm trying to think of the day.
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I think it was the same day we had the Mixer in Town,
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Three individuals were probably recognized.
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Adrian Colson, Mary Me Burton, and Steve Russo,
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for their incredible contributions to the arts and education.
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They apply now grace that they had a walls,
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a lasting tribute to the impact on generations of students.
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I would like to thank the Dixon High School Band for opening and closing the presentation and to everyone who joined us in a special celebration.
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It was excellent.
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And music is life.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Anyone else?
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Seeing no one in our audience.
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Anyone at home?
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To provide public comment via video conferencing.
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Click on raise hand.
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The teleconference press star nine.
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And there's no further public comment, may I?
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Yeah, Michael Warnkin.
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I grew up in Dixon.
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I've still come here quite a bit.
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My parents still live here, although I don't believe it's in the city limits outside
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in one of the branches.
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Anyway, I am concerned about this new development proposal that's going forward.
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I guess the harvest.
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Okay, that's on the end.
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I just want to really quick like because I'm not up to speed on it.
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And I know you guys are going to.
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Where's the best place for me to find all the information on it?
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I think they have a city website, plus the developers have a site also.
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Does it? Does it?
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There'll be an representation.
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Okay, and does it also have the information on the green belt?
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Wait for the presentation because we can't have the exchange here.
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Oh, okay.
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I'll just ask you.
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to be in the presentation. Anyone else? Okay, we had no one at home, so we'll move on to
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public or hide in the city council. Mr. Andresha.
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They tended the mixer at the chamber
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mixer at the Rower Insurance Company and also about myself in 20 plus and volunteers
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helped on Earth. They cleaned up the industrial pond. It was a good showing. A lot of new residents.
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Mr. Johnson, on this my favorite week, it's May Fair Week, so I look forward to seeing
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everybody this week and we've got the pancake breakfast, the May Fair Parade, and it's going
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to be a great weekend, it's puts us on the map, so we look forward to seeing everybody
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this weekend.
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Mr. Ernest?
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All right, since the last meeting on the 16th, I attended the Capital Accordor JPA through the
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STA, nothing to report back, I also attended Cap Slano Executive Board Meeting and the
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Mayor's selection committee meeting, which involves all the mayors of the seven cities.
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Twenty-three-three-three-three-five by attended the Legislative City Leaders Summit in Sacramento
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through the League of California Cities.
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Some of the highlights of that we talked about, some of the legislation that's passed at the
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State Capitol.
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Some good, not so good.
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I am happy to report, though, we did protest the fact that Prop 36 did pass, and the State
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We found out there's no way to fund the requirements that we have, but we have gained a little bit of leeway with that.
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We're still pushing a little bit to make sure they're able to fund the things that voters, the majority of the voters of this state has for.
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And as moving forward, there are a couple of items from, I guess it was, is it's Senator Weiner, is he a senator?
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And some of his things about housing were kind of off the top, so we're still pushing back on some of that.
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I think a couple of things have been pulled, but they will come back, so we're going to give our eye on that.
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And then see, on May 1st, I attended the National Day of Prayer Meeting.
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It was held at the Back of Christian School, a number of city leaders, military leaders, law enforcement, business community.
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was a number of different group represented at that breakfast. It was a nice turnout. And then on the second I attended the League of California cities executive board meeting via Zoom and that's all I have to report it this time.
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So having said that brings us to consent calendar item nine is there anything on the consent calendar. Any of you wish to pull discuss or address it this time.
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Seeing no one on the desk, is anyone the audience has an item they like to address this
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time?
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Seeing none.
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Anyone at home?
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I provide public comment via video conferencing.
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Click on raise hand or excuse me.
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Via teleconference, press star 9.
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And there's no public comment there.
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So, do I have a motion to pass the consent calendar?
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I'm moved to approve of the consent calendar.
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First and second, Madam Clerk, Rochalva.
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Councilmember Ernest.
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Councilmember Henderson.
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Councilmember Johnson.
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Vice Mayor Boat.
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Mayor Berg.
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There was one thing I forgot to mention on comments from the council.
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I just like to bring this forward to maybe a future agenda.
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And that is something on maybe the consent calendar.
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showing support of bringing ship building back to Sloan County.
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Not where it is or where it's going to be, but I think it's important for National Security that we support that wherever it ends up or wherever it may be.
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Okay. So, brings us to item 10. Public hearings. We have one. Item 10.1.
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Wait. Was there a comment? There's somebody.
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way of second reading, read by tight only, and adopt an ordinance of this.
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City Council of the City of Dixon, the many chapter 12, 11, bicycles, and adding chapter 12.2, electric scooters,
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two titles, 12 vehicles, and traffic of the Dixon Municipal Code. Chief Thompson.
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Good evening, Mayor Council. What you have before you is, I believe, our correctly noticed in second reading
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of the amendment to the chapter 12 of our municipal code to help us deal and address as we discussed last time.
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with the challenges we have with electric bikes and e-scooters in the community, specifically
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the number of injuries we have with kids that are on these, on these bikes and scooters.
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The municipal code we have, the bicycle section, that we are asking you to give your second
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reading and then we'll have our 30th degree before it goes into effect, gives us many more
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resources in addressing this.
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Currently our bicycle ordinance is pretty restrictive, it's very old, it speaks to conventional
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bicycles, this new ordinance takes into account the changes in the technology, and is consistent
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with the California vehicle code as well in the licensing requirements, helmet requirements,
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things that right now, if we catch someone for example, without a helmet that's legally required
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to wear one, we have to send that to the juvenile court. We have no municipal mechanism to deal with
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it at a lower level. So the goal with this ordinance is not about punishment, it's about compliance.
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We've built in sort of an escalating structure where by policy someone generally would get a warning first unless their behavior is reckless.
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Then it would escalate on a second to a fine and go on on from there.
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The goal, again, is to make sure that parents are aware if their kids are not following the law or the ordinance in this case.
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As some of you have noted, we've seen it too. Kids will be writing a bike or scooter with a helmet dangling from the handlebar.
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So they're leaving the house with it on so they're folks see it and then they take it off when they get away part of our enforcement
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This ordinance includes parental notification in instances where we stopped juveniles and violation of the sort of events.
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We make sure the parents get a letter to say hey we want to keep your kids safe. Please be aware of these conditions that we found in that.
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So we've, sorry, second reading with it. I'm happy to answer any questions you might have otherwise we would submit it for your consideration.
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Comments?
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I think it's a partnership, thanks for bringing that up.
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My comment is that, you know, before there was some public service announcements, we had
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spoke, I was just too out of ten at the most for wearing helmet.
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As soon as it was publicized in the schools were advised, before we even did this, there was
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a media blur over a beautiful week period where it went from one or two, so the communication
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and the education is helping, and this is an important time again, compliance and safety.
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And we had done two public safety announcements, each occurring after an incident where
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a child was injured.
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In all of the collisions we've had in the city between e-bikes and scooters, in every instance,
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the scooter of bike has been at fault.
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In no instances, as a driver, the vehicle has been at fault.
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And in almost every one of those instances, the rider is not wearing helmet.
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So we put out two of those announcements, which had pretty much been ignored.
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We had another injury, another child get injured, and that's when we announced with the City
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Manager's Population, the zero tolerance that got a lot of public press.
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We issued 63 citations and warnings in the first two weeks, first three weeks.
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And we saw how many usage spike, incredibly after the fine started going out, and we actually
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had a line of kids at the station asking if we still had the helmet program, which we do
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through salon accounting, to give them helmets to use.
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And I believe I'm seeing the same thing you are, which is significantly improved compliance.
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Which is about safe.
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All right.
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Okay.
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This is a public hearing.
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So I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing.
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There's anyone from the public.
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I'd like to comment on this item.
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Now would be the time.
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You have three minutes at the mic.
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No one in the audience.
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Yeah.
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Mr. Mayor, I just, just in general, I understand the need to protect people.
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that is necessary. I'm just bothered by the licensing of everything and I don't know.
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I do understand that there's a component where when you have a bicycle that's got electric
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motor, it's going to go faster. I mean, you're not as powerful as a motorcycle. I mean, growing
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up as a kid, we never had helmets. I don't know. I'm just worried. Just at any time that, you
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You've got to protect everybody, I guess, just to feel like you've got to say something
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once a while that things are going to happen, you don't want that things to happen to people
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at the same time.
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Everything being regulated in, I guess, we started this with public works, and I run into problems
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with public works sometimes, and government regulates, but, well, I guess I'll do the Ronald
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and sometimes you don't always want the government to show up your front door and say,
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I'm here to help.
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So that's it.
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All right.
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Anyone else make a me comment or in this public hearing period?
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See, no one else not yet at home.
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To provide public comment via video conferencing, click on raise hand.
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We have teleconference press star 9.
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And there's no further public comment, Mayor.
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All right.
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Without a close of public hearing, back the council for action or comment.
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I have a first and a second Madam Clerk roll call, please.
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Councilmember Ernest.
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Councilmember Henderson.
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Councilmember Johnson.
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Vice Mayor Boge.
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Mayor Bird.
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Aye.
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All right.
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Item 11 unfinished business.
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There is none.
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It brings us to new business.
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Item 12.1.
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The city treasurer quarterly and resume reports.
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And I believe we are treasurer submitted a report.
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But it will not be here, shall I read their board in the action or are we good to go?
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No, just accept it into the record that.
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You've all received that and any questions on it?
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Anyone the audience like to comment?
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Seeing none at home?
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To provide public comment via video conferencing, click on raise hand.
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You have teleconference press star nine.
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And there's no public comment there.
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So we'll need a roll call for acceptance of the report.
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Okay, I have a person a second.
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Councilmember Ernest.
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Councilmember Henderson.
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Councilmember Johnson.
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Vice Mayor Boge.
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Mayor Berg.
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All right, brings us to item 12.2.
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Receive an update on outreach for the proposed project.
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Harvested Dixon and provide direction on the draft.
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Harvested Dixon and guiding principles.
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and lead enough will be.
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Yes.
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Thank you, Mayor.
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I'm going to give you a little bit of a background and talk about some of the purpose for
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this meeting.
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And then I'm going to turn it over to Madeline Graff, our public information officer,
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Economic Development Manager, who will give you a summary of the public engagement
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and outreach that's occurred on this project to date.
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And then we'll have Steve Peters in a contract planner
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assisting the city in processing this application, go through the draft vision and guiding
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principles and explain to you what the draft says.
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So, the purpose for tonight's meeting is to review and get your input on the draft
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division in guiding principles for reviewing the harvest project.
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The goal is that these criteria, vision and the principles will guide staff and decision makers while reviewing the project.
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It's important to note that tonight's agenda item is not a decision or evaluation or determination on the project.
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It's really to set the framework of what's important and considering this project as it moves through the continued public process.
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The draft goals and guiding principles were derived from the various community meetings that
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have occurred, both developer-led sessions, as well as city-led sessions, and from the
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various comments that we've heard throughout the whole process.
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And these are not staff drive, but they are really the summary of the public input that
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we heard of what's important in considering this project.
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So, before we move on, I'm just going to give you a quick overview as well as for some anybody at home or in the audience who may not know about the harvest project.
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The project, the proposed project is located in South Eastixon, just off of Pedrick Road in Parkway.
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As you can see on the map there, it is just across the street or south of the high school and park lane subdivision.
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The proposal is for a master plan that would include about up to 6,350 residential units on about 836 acres.
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The phasing and build out is proposed to be about 20 years, which would be about 275 to 325 homes per year.
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The project includes a small retail neighborhood retail center, currently proposed to be on the corner of 113 in Parkway.
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There is a proposed elementary school site that's pending input and termination from this.
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We'll district, there's over 140 acres of park, open space, and regional amenities, and recreational uses.
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Those are the items shown in green, and then there is a buffer area around superior farms, area of superior farms site, and the kennel at the south west corner of the property
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that would serve as a buffer from that ag industrial use
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with a project and vice versa.
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The project would also include improvements to addition of new roadways,
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widening of roadways, sewer drinking water, infrastructure,
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regional drainage solution that would collect runoff from
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bonds B and C and moves that water to the south end of the project site.
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And if approved, detailed infrastructure planning and construction can start in 2027 to 28 with her first homes available in about 2030, that's if everything goes according to schedule.
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And as I noted before, build out for a project to this size would be expected to be about 20 plus years.
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So with that, I'm going to turn it over to Madlin, who will walk you through the other engagement and outreach.
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Thank you, Rafi. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Over the last 10 months, there have been a variety of different outreach opportunities for the community to provide their input on this project.
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Starting back in August of 2024, the developer started hosting their own community meetings.
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The city has also hosted a different community meetings and workshops. We had one in January that was specifically for residents who live within 1,000 feet of the property.
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For that meeting, we did mail notices to each of those property owners, and then we had another city hosted workshop in March of this year where we showed them the draft guiding principles.
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So I know there was a question earlier about how to get information on the project.
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We have developed a website or a web page specific to this proposed project.
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All of the materials are there including materials from each of the workshops that I mentioned.
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And at the very bottom of the page, we have a section titled, stay informed, where you can sign up to receive email of dates on the project.
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And that email list is also notified anytime we're bringing an identity council or doing the public presentation.
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In addition to the website, we have done social media posts, so this is a sample of what they will click.
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This one was before our city council city session back in January, so we let people know all the different ways that they could stay informed, such as looking at the website.
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signing up for emails, attending the meetings, and at that point we had had three meetings
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that were happening.
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So just to reiterate, if people want to stay informed going forward, they should check our
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website, social media, our email list, and then the developer also has their own project
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website that has additional information as well, including different mockups of what the community
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could look like.
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All right, at this point, I'm going to turn it over to Steve Peterson to walk you through
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the draft vision.
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Good
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evening, Mayor Bird and council members. My name is Steve Peterson. I'm a contract planner, assisting your staff with the processing of this application.
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What I'd like to do, if it pleases the council, is I would like to walk through the visions, the vision statements that we've distilled from all the different public comment that we've received.
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And walk them through one by one to get your comments, your observations, and in essence, as
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Rafi mentioned earlier, we're seeking your direction and guidance as we continue to process
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this project.
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So again, this is the outreach recommendation that received an update and then provide direction.
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One thing that we heard in just about every session is that the citizens of Dixon really love it
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and they're here by choice.
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The thing that we heard, I am, and again,
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is the small town feel and character of Dixon
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is really the heart of why the community
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believes so strongly in the city
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and also is expressed concerns about the development.
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And as you can guess, that's a pretty tough thing to try
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to define, to still and distinguish.
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And so with that, I didn't know if the council
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had any thoughts about maintaining the small town feel
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and character.
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I
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think you said it. It's hard to identify. I think if we ask a hundred people what their small town field you're going to get a hundred different answers, but
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I would say that for me personally is
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I recognize people all the time when I'm going to the grocery store. I walk downtown. I can wave and say a lot of people.
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And for all attending school events, for all attending sports events, and there's activities going on, and we're all doing it together.
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I think that's just something I need to do. I don't have an exact, I just know that we have a feeling of family here.
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and it's present all around town and anything that you do.
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So, if you can put that into a bottle and sprinkle it on anything you plan to do, hey.
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And I don't know if there's any one way I could define it, either similar to what
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Council Member Johnson said, however, when I reflect back, you know, I grew up in
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on a county-based grade, family moved to the Fairfield in 68, and when I look back
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over the years, what I see with the development, moving eastward, I noted that what
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back of it was like the Fairfield 50 years ago is what we are now to back of it.
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And back of it really boomed at an accelerated rate, and that's a little bit scary, and
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I think it's coming to terms with them now.
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I think that they're experiencing a lot of things financially.
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They have in the past, but it's becoming a challenge.
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So I think that the key here is, development is going to come on where and other.
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But the key is keeping local control and not have that growth happen so rapidly that it
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outpaces the services and the things that the community can provide.
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because, quite frankly, you know, you talk about infrastructure.
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And believe it or not, folks, infrastructure comes from rooftop.
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That's where it's coming from businesses, aren't investing,
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bringing that in.
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They're waiting for infrastructure to be in place by residential.
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Then the businesses come, so the amenities,
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the commercial opportunities, the jobs, come after that.
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So it's a very fine-lined balance.
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But I think the key is, don't go for us,
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pro-faster than you can meet the needs and services to the community demand.
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So I think that's part of keeping that small town fill as well by not
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happening.
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And it's not going to happen overnight.
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And I mean, it's spread out.
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And I question whether it could be built out in 20 years anyway.
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And we look how long it took southwest sticks.
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And I think that was on the books for 40 years or more.
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And it's finally built out.
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But it took a long time for that to happen.
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And a lot of it's dependent on the economy, what's going on.
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I mean, a lot of outside factors will mitigate how fast
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something comes or doesn't come, so.
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But I understand that's my take on this small-town thing.
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I feel that we have it back a little had it.
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They're trying to hold on to it, but I think they've lost
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a little bit of that, and I don't want to see that happen here
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if we're going to boy that.
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Ten, then I think, with me, it's about the community.
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It's not about the size of the community,
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it's about working together volunteering and helping each other out.
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And when I moved in the Valley Glen, one of the first seven families over there, I was welcomed and, you know, I feel the same I did that first day.
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Plus with you.
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Yes.
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You know, the first thing we have to understand is that development is inevitable.
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either growing or dying, and our government has made sure that we were starting to grow
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at a faster pace in some of the changes to our local laws that he's made.
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I've been to cities that have grown substantially, and I found the very thing that kept
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a small town of Bill was having good green buffer zones of one area from another. So when
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you stood on a street corner and looked to the left, you didn't just see miles of town.
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In fact, I think the one I was in was a spary, I think it was. I honestly thought
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that was just a very tiny community about the size of El Maira to tell you the truth.
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And then my son took me upon a hill, so I could get an overview of the area, and
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my god, there must have been a million homes there.
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But unless you were on top of that hill, they were all broken up with these green buffer
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zones, so no matter where you went, it felt like a very small community as you traveled
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around.
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So to me, that is one of the strongest points of how to maintain a small town bill.
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It's get those separations of areas in place and keep them in place.
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I agree with Mr. Boat, the open space.
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It has got back from Europe and we went into this beautiful park that had been there for 400 years.
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At one point, one of the kings decided they needed to balance their budget.
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They were to sell off half of it.
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the entire town got out there and had a fit and they made it in that part for 400 years
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and it's gorgeous, you know. I think open space, you know, when we go out of our smaller town,
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we can look out and not just see a huge housing development in nothing else. So as we know, we're
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going to grow, we look at developers who can offer, you know, more parks and say, you know, large
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pathways where things have amenities like water features where you get out and get away from people like with those part of the things we like.
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Another thing is just that, how can you have a small town if it gets if it grows big, right?
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It's not small anymore.
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But I think if you look at major B, we have been a lot of conversation about we used to have a 3% growth, but now we've blown it, we've lost it.
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Just out of interest the other day we drew a graph of the 3% growth of when that initiative began and we placed the
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the proposed developments underneath it and they still are underneath that graph. So I think that will be
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product later.
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Again, the rubber stamp, you know, you get some developer, I don't want to be in
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anything but I've lived her a long time and it gets in developers that come in and
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barely making their budget and they just rubber stamp every third house is the
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same one. They minimize the parks and I think if we understand that we're gonna
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grow at some rate we want to look at the best filters we can find in the best
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developers and I think we as a council and that we'd like to encourage this
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to do this is it go actually get in your car and look at what some of these people are proposing
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because if they haven't done another one then maybe that's not the first one to choose so that's
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that's something else and lastly for me public services you know to our police and our fire
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are our popular here in Dixon. I don't know if you're not going to mention some other towns but
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if you go with some other towns and go to the high school and say what do you think of the
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we hate them, you know, we're at odds with them, I don't think that, you know, look at
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we have a school research officer, X1, the head of a job, and I think we still have
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maintained a respect for our public services, which I think also to buy in a small
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found.
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So, that for me.
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Thank you all, I really appreciate that.
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So again, it's difficult to define, we've talked about the actual number of housing units
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that is driven by economic cycles and his council member Ernest mentioned tracking that
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is something that we've been like as well.
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So residents spoke to the fact that they want to retain the sense of community as the
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council is noted, but also these are other elements that sort of second what you've already
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said.
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So these are the things that we've heard related to that.
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The next division statement is that new development shall be thoughtfully designed as
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to support the strength and strength in the city of Dixon's historic development pattern.
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That's kind of a planner-speak kind of thing, but I think that it's directed towards a couple
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of the comments that the Council members just made related to having variation and having
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a variety of housing types that reflect the pattern of Dixon.
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And it's wondering if the council has any thoughts on that?
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Well, I think it's important with any development to provide a variety of choice.
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I mean, not everybody has the same green of ownership as the next person,
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but finding the right home to fit your budget and your family needs is important.
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So, not a one-size-fits-all.
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That's some of the problem I have with some of these things that are being passed down to us from the state,
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which we're trying to avoid.
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And remember, it's the state that says,
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our three percent growth thing doesn't mean anything anymore.
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So unless we were act with our own means
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and be the creators of our own destiny,
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you're going to have the state come down on us
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in some fly-by-night developers come in
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and find a piece of land with us at limits
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and come in and say, hey, it's a horrible housing
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and get to have their way without us having any sale over it.
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So I think it's important to keep that in mind
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that, as we grow, it's a variety of housing,
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but it's housing is going through the process, the community process, and our process is
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that what we really want here in Dixon is at the type of development.
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But I think you have to have a variety of options for folks, because not everybody is the
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same.
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In fact, one of our newest developments up on North First Street, their town homes in a gated
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area, and that's something new to this community that we don't have.
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It's been more popular, I guess, in bigger city areas, in the Southern California, but it provides
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opportunity for people that aren't, maybe ready yet to buy a home and don't want the yard work
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or the hassle of home ownership and like upkeep of that, or they have that choice. If you're
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a young professional, maybe you're married, maybe not, maybe you're a room mates, but you have
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a nice place to live without all the headaches of home ownership and some amenities. So that's
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kind of unique. So that is another option that we offer in our community that's never been here before.
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So I think that's unique and you like to have a variety of options that I said.
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So I think I'm going to go back in history a little bit since I've been spending over two years on the history project
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for downtown.
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When the residents first came over and rolled houses and the church over on logs from Soviet
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build and they settled over here across the railroad tracks where the train was stopped.
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We started building every couple of years that we had a couple of fires we had to rebuild
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downtown and whatnot.
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I think the biggest thing what I got out of doing the history part is break up the patterns.
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We don't want the same type of housing and everything.
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What they mentioned earlier, it wasn't just a green belt, what they bought about, it could
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parts breaking it up and whatnot. But different ideas were the main book of the neighborhood.
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I mean, I could go more into the history and I'm going to say everybody that. But just break it up.
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Okay.
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Two things. One example that I'll give you is in the southwest. We now have a 343 home of an over community.
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That was not a type of housing that we had.
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It was much discussed, much forward and now it's here.
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But still entry-level housing in Dixon is basically,
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with few exceptions, starts between five and six hundred thousand,
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probably going to see non-fifty, five and over is going to be a three-bedroom.
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Well, there are some people that is still far out of their reach.
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and one, two, and three bedroom condos or downhomes,
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that could be dramatic, less money.
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I would love to see people be able to stand
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X inverses, graduating high school, going to college,
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low for losing into other areas that are more affordable.
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So I will continue to press on the lowest,
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and I'm not talking about affordable housing.
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I'm just talking about a smaller product.
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There are people out there that would be perfectly happy
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with a one-bedroom, one-bath condo
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because that's what they do.
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So just having, so that's why I'm not sure
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about the historical development pattern
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because we don't have it.
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We never have, but that, that type of housing,
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own that we don't have.
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So that's something interesting to get back
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it into any future.
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We should thank you.
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I've brought this up a couple of times and I think I've talked about the biography about it and that is that we were on the planet.
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Three of us were on the planning commission before we got up here.
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I think it'd be a good idea to maybe get some kind of primer, some type of thing that helps you really understand what a facade is.
[43:34]
I mean, what type of style is it, a colonial style, or a frank red light, or a Lloyd Wright style,
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or whatever, and be able to, at least identify a thousand, you have all these hybrid styles.
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But time you're done, you don't know what the head, the builders are talking about.
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But I think just maybe some basic components of an exterior, water basic styles, and what do we develop?
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Do we recognize some styles that are here in Dixon, and maybe bring that to our planning commission,
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and help them, because they are actually our market sector where you've made you do, could be worth doing.
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Yeah, I think the nerdy term for baking from the local style is the vernacular.
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That's the, you can't lose everything.
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You use this word at the day for you, Council Member.
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So with that, let's go forward if we could.
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And it speaks to the variety of housing types and opportunity.
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we focus, Council is very clearly on that, we appreciate that.
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One of the more challenging topics that came up in just about every session was the interface
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between development and agriculture.
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Dixon is defined by agriculture.
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Dixon's roots, literally are in agriculture, especially we know this week during May Fairweek.
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And so we crafted this statement from the different things that we've heard.
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It's not just a matter of preserving.
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Farmland and agriculture, but actually encouraging growth in the agricultural industry in general, as well as trying to balance that with the preservation of open space. So, we'd appreciate your guidance on that.
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One thing we're proud of is our green belts between backbilt and here, Davis and here we actually have green belts, so we can't throw it together and I think that needs to be recognized as something that we want to keep.
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Well, there's a fine balance of keeping that agricultural and developing it, and because I step back and I look at the farmland around us and I know many of the farmers and the owners.
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One of the things that you see that seems to be happening more often than not is some of these families are aging, and farming isn't the business they want to be anymore nor do their offspring.
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they don't want to take it over, so it kind of puts them in a predicament of, I have this
[46:10]
land, this land is basically our retirement, what do I do with it? So unless they sell to
[46:15]
another agricultural person, the only other people are developers, and I have a hard time
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with personal property, it's your property, and you want to market it, it's kind of up
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you in a sense, where we come in, if that land is annexed to the city and incorporated, we have
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control over the type of developments and picking the right developers and things like that.
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So that's what our part really comes in, but first and foremost, you know, we're focused
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to say, well we don't want to develop any acclant well, if it's not your land to develop
[46:52]
or your land to own, it's up to the first that owns that and like I said, a lot of folks
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are selling and moving on to other things or retiring and that's their retirement as a
[47:01]
sale of that land, so I should always keep that in consideration as well.
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Thank you.
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So I have two things to that.
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In 1998, there was a series of interviews done in the Sanctuary, the Sanctuary Library,
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where a gentleman was asked a question about selling the land or keeping the land.
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And he frankly said, on the interview,
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I can't tell the farmer what to do.
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That's not my land, that's his choice.
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Secondly, I want to say, I happen to know when my family, my son-in-law, is probably going to be getting 5,000 acres in North Dakota, because his siblings just don't want it.
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They don't want to work the farm.
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So who am I to say of here to a farmer?
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You know, don't sell your land.
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You can't put what you want on that land.
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And somebody else comes in there and buys it.
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Thank you.
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Other comments?
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My only thought was that any substantial growth, natural growth, control, plan growth, whatever
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it is, is going to have to go out.
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And we no matter, a component of that is expanding our city, and it's how we go about it.
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But over what period I mean, I have complete respect, I have farming in my background.
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as well. And I can tell you that my my family in this 60s lost, lost their, had to sell it,
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specifically because access and change. So, but at the end of the day, a natural process
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of the city's helpfulness is going to be planned and controlled growth. We're going to do anything
[48:45]
of any significance. It's unavoidable to go out. I don't think there's a lot of desire to go up.
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I think there's been a lot every time we've talked about even something that's got a third story that's
[48:58]
has been an interesting conversation, so that's going to be a natural component of where we go.
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Well, I'll just be kind of blunt about it.
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I personally hate seeing our prime agricultural land being developed, not that I hate development.
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I just hate seeing that agricultural land go away.
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Because, while there may be millions of bakers around, eventually it will be swallowed up in development.
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And then what do we do?
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I reproduce our food, how do we grow, you know, how do we deliver the necessities of our life.
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So, what I personally really love what you're doing with this development.
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I think you're really key player in a, and it's a stand of a mighty dare say,
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elegant development.
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And I appreciate it.
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It's just the other side of the coin bugs me about it.
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There's written out anything any of us could do about it, because as it's been pointed out, it's not the government's land.
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It's not my land.
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As the individual farmers or landowners land, as their choice, what they do with it, and that extent.
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So, that's my biggest problem with it.
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I think we should be building up more than how our building in the hills, more in the
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flat in the land of our primary is. But it is what it is.
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And unless something along
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those line changes,
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we're going to keep doing these developments as we go along and just
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pretty tell that they're at least the equivalent of the value, should I say, of what
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You folks are doing it with your open spaces, with your, you know,
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honoring the agriculture
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anyway.
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So, that's how I really feel about development and agricultural land, but people aren't
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going to farm it, and it's not going to be used.
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You know, the other issue too is not all farmland is created equal, even we have good farmland
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out here but there are bits and pieces if you have the sandy porous soil that's usually
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what you want to grow things so the water filters through and gets the roots but keeps
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going down the water table but these other places have that hard band clay which holds
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water and is counterproductive to rock production such. So I guess in a perfect world you know
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you build on that non-porous soil and leave the porous soil open for farming but like I said
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that's a perfect world.
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The other thing too, I think the nature of agriculture
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is changing, and we're seeing a lot of changing
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in the next century.
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And most of that change is going to be vertical for me.
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I think we have a shop out here, this growing greens,
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Gotham greens.
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If you haven't seen that, it's a pretty amazing thing to go see,
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but I think that's probably the way of the future
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to produce more on smaller areas and control that irrigation.
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So, this thing's to think about, I mean, you know, we get in this panic like we used to
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these vast foreign lands, and I think those are probably going to be a thing of the past.
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Anyway, we're going to start doing the same thing in a smaller space, so something to think
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about.
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Mayor, can I ask you a question?
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I find, before I got in council, I find myself sitting out there not quite sure, as a member
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of the public, when I was, how you were going to handle on these kind of sessions when
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the public was going to be able to speak, and there's going to be like, it looks like you
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or seven more slides, so I didn't, I don't want it to be able to, like,
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what was your plan?
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Plan has let the presenters present, and if we have continued discussion, like we always do,
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and then we're going to go out to the public and take their comments and then we'll
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have seven different slides.
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Yeah, we're working through them pretty quickly, actually, so we're just...
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And you're the last speaker at this point?
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Yes.
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I think we're good.
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And just to clarify, add to the council and respond to your question,
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Council member Johnson, we're going to go through the vision statements and then I'm just going to touch on the guiding principles because there's a lot of meat there folks can see it in the report and that sort of thing.
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But that's intended for more study, more discussion because obviously this project is going to move forward for the next couple of years.
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With that, I'll go ahead and proceed with the pleasure of the council.
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Save and convenient connections.
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One of the things that came up very frequently is the idea that new developments must look for
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Class One, Bikeways, Class One, Walking Trails, Making sure it's very attractive for community members to
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move into the central business district, move throughout the city, without having to go
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in the streets, and make it a very safe set of opportunities, wondering what council's thoughts
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are on that spot.
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Yes.
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I'm on the transport, some of the transportation committees, and we talk about the different
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classes of bikeways, and the best one is the one you might know, one A and it's protected
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from traffic, where a lot of times you don't have enough money, but you have to provide
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The bike lanes, you just put a stripe on the middle of a fast, busy street, and the most moms
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won't let the kid get on that and they're bike on that thing.
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So did you really provide a bike lane or not, I think Lewis here has been close and pretty interesting
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things where they have a essay of a wider bike lane and walking way, but not only goes to our
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next to our town, but it also underneath has some of the infrastructure they need, some of the
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and some of the sewer line and stuff, so it's a multi-use thing, but you end up with a really nice looking pathway that's usable by our city.
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I think that was a great idea.
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Any other comments on this one?
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Hearing none.
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Again, that connection between new development and the existing city was brought up as being very important.
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And as both Rafi is mentioned and the mayor's mentioned, the buildout is over probably 20 years.
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Again, the economic cycles of ups and downs will drive that the market will tell the builders what to do.
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But in essence, as an informational item, this is what we project.
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And so I think this has already been addressed by council unless you have any other comments on who we had.
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And this last one comes from a lot of conversations with the council and with the mayor about
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autonomy and it comes from the land use and the city of Dixon defining both the form and the function of the future city.
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And wondering if there's anything else that you would like to say about this.
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Just so we want to maintain as much local controls we can.
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Okay. Very good. So that concludes the vision statements. And so what I'd like to do is quickly go over some more topics that the Council is if you'd like to dive into any of them, that would be great to receive any guidance you have on them.
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Again, these are sort of fine grain bits of information that we received, especially about what the members of the community would like to see.
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When it comes to the field, the shape and the function of the new development, the things that it should have. Again, we reiterate the small town field here.
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As Rafi mentioned, the school site is something that we're working very closely with the school district
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to understand what their thoughts are and their vision is, because ultimately those are their decisions.
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But with that we're looking to facilitate those discussions, and I know that the applicant has been in contact with him for quite a long time.
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So, yes.
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I think that's an important issue.
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I mean, I know that we are on the two-by-two, where we talk to the schools for the dead.
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And are we going to need another school or not?
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And the thought is right now that we don't, is the way that there's some empty classroom.
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But it's a 20-year deal.
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And building out for that long, at 200-300 houses a year, eventually we're going to need a school.
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And I like the idea that you've placed an area on there in different colors of the schools site.
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And there's a possibility that at least you get it's own that way and maybe have an option 10 years or 15 years from now if it's not needed,
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it could be a rezoned, but to start out without any school site out there as I think it would take.
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Appreciate that. Thank you.
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So really, and I know we've talked about this before.
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with the negotiations or the thoughts of the school district.
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If it's not meant to be right now,
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it could be in the future,
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and an example would be the Southwest development
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where so many children were expected to come in
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and those numbers never even came up.
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So that's why if one doesn't get built perhaps
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maybe in the future.
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Great, thank you.
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Yeah, it's because the open space I think really,
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I don't, I think a lot of people would agree with me that he gets some water feeders around, you know, little lakes or ponds, where and with walkways around him, it really makes a community a nicer area.
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A lot of people like to go out and just relax and look out over water and stuff, and I think that there's some of the possibility here, because it's the, as the water drains kind of from the north to south, you're going to end up with some of that water and it's done a problem for years on what to do with that water.
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But to make it an amenity where it's something that's actually nice that people can live around is a great opportunity to make a nice looking area.
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Okay, thank you.
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There's nothing else on this one. Let's move forward.
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Fiscal analysis, one thing that came up very frequently is the question, okay, who's going to pay for this and is just going to come out of my pocket.
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So with that staff is moving forward to have an independent financial analysis completed on the project as it relates to the city related to infrastructure expenses and all those other pieces.
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Another point is the Public and Community Benefits discussion that's something as this project moves forward and as the city and the applicant start working together on a development agreement there.
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We'll be given take on those sorts of things and I'm sure that staff will be coming back to you to the mayor and the council for guidance as to the priorities for that set of negotiations and those amenities.
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The cost of public services is something that you might remember the contract for that work was just kicked off, firm by the name of AP Triton, which consists of retired fire chiefs, police chiefs and other folks.
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They're busy looking through the data that contacted Chief Thompson and the other leaders of the city and they're gathering information.
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They're looking at the geographic layout of things, looking at what the future city might look like.
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And they're going to be coming back with recommendations for both of the police and a fire master plan for the city, which will be the first time that that's ever been deleted.
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So that's one thing that's moving forward in parallel with this, and as part of their work is not just looking at facilities and staffing, but also the cost of public safety improvements. So that will be part of their report as well.
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I think it's super important. I think that there's been a lot of conversation about we have one
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first station now we're going to have another one down by the new homestead development
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but are we going to need eventually a triangle of three so that we can get you have both cover
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both sides of the of the railroad trapped and I think we really need to keep our aisle on that as
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as that. What is it right in there? AP Triton is a name of the firm.
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Thank you.
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Infrastructure needs.
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When it comes to discussing infrastructure, utility connections, or future areas, that is, in essence, in building parlance, building enough blind conduit or capacity within the design to make sure that it supports other future activities and vision by the city.
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And so with that we look for collaboration with the applicant team and which is occurring right now to understand the mechanics of that engineering.
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The other part of the two is that one of the comments we received very, very frequently is that folks want to make sure that the amenities as well as the infrastructure going as quickly as possible.
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The old saw of having a neighborhood with one gallon trees up front for five years, you know, that's something that people want to avoid.
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So the timing of the development of the utilities and all the other amenities that are important.
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The local and regional transportation analysis is underway and working with both the applicants engineering team and the city's engineering team.
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We're looking at what the transportation impact analysis is going to look like, not only for the current city and the proposed development, but surrounding cities that are within the planning area of the city of Dixon.
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So that analysis is going to look at the vehicular traffic, it's going to look at trails, bikes, that sort of thing, and also in talking with our partners at STA, what eventually could be connections for transit in the future.
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So making sure that we have opportunities identified and planned boards, and that's the presentation.
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So if you have any other comments or questions, I'd love to try and answer them,
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but otherwise I'll give it back to you, Mayor Bird.
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Okay, so anything before we go to the public.
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Mr. Henderson, what we were doing the goal planning, right?
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One of the things he brought up, and I think we all agreed with him,
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we need a community center and I think I'm just bringing that back up and feeling his idea
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that I think that I think that I should be looked at seriously as one of the amenities
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I offered and maybe one of the developers talked about having a water feature so you have a community
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center and you can walk out and see a body of water that was pretty good.
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I just had a final comment and you already hit on it but I just want to cap on it as we consider
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of this project, in addition, as all the investigations are done, learning from other communities
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that have found themselves in a trouble by outgrowing their ability to provide.
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So having that clearly analyzed and having a clear understanding of that both on services
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and from a fiscal point of view is a critical component.
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The mayor mentioned it before that there are actually some local communities that are struggling
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with that now.
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So that's part of a controlled and planned growth.
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And the same thing, when it comes to public safety,
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we, that's part of the biggest thing that I'm
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going to be keeping an eye on is our ability
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to completely support.
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And as I feel like that might be the way we lose our identity
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if we start growing beyond our capability of providing,
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that's how we're going to lose part of it.
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So the fact that that's all factored in and we can see how that growth is going to pay
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for itself, provide for itself, that's a big component in the analysis of the budget
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side.
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And I know you're doing it.
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I'm looking forward to the data.
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There you go.
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Well, I have one more note that if there's a proposed school site, it would possibly be connected
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to a part of Green Space, where it would be a chair.
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That might be, I think they're looking at it by the way.
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Did I get it?
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Anyone else before I go public?
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Yes.
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So being on the planning commission prior to Mr. Ernest Mr. Johnson,
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we've always pushed it out there.
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We have public input and have meetings.
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And this by far has had the most public meeting.
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And that really does matter.
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The other thing too is we talked about public safety a couple of times here.
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We are having a fire station too, which is getting near the background.
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And what the need to extend our public safety to the southeast,
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if this was the happenings, definitely in need.
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And by looking into it early.
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Thank you Mayor and thank you council members.
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All right.
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Thank you.
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So, I have quite a few speaker cards in one comment card, so we're going to divulge
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into that first and if someone didn't turn one in, I'd like to speak, we'll get to you as
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well.
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Since I have some minutes, I just want to remind everyone that you keep it on topic, what
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we're talking about, and you have three minutes, and I will hold you to that three minute
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time.
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So, if I say, you're Mark, you're going to look at the light, it'll come on red when you hit
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that mark.
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If you didn't get to say everything yet to say at that point, we do have comments at the end and
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all allow the speakers to come back at the end if they want to talk about it a little bit.
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Just because I know this is a very passionate thing, there's a lot of you, but let's give it
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it your three minutes if you can.
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All right.
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The first card I have is the comment card that person did not want to speak, but wanted to emphasize
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that once the new develops to slow down a bit, make sure our infrastructure is fixed first
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up to date and it was from a long time resident so I just read that one and that first one was
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a talk they can talk later. The rest of them are speaker parts so I'll go ahead and start
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with Michael walking near the first one. Come up to the microphone.
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I mean to come up so fast and so many times. I guess I just have one question about this and
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you know I don't feel like I'm knowledgeable enough on this taken opinion one way or another.
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I definitely, you know, I've seen it both ways.
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I would've been Santa Barbara for a while, 20 years, they fought, they fought both, you know,
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hardly, you know, my parents are farmers and people own the land, neighboring to us.
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They certainly wanted to develop it and never got that far out.
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But I am interested in the laws I'm going to do with the green belt and where I'll wear what
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I get my hands on those.
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I mean, they're supposed to be a green belt between here and Davis, and that seems to be well
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in the, and what the rules on the green belt between here and, in fact, I, you know, I lived in
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these coasts for a little while, uh, two, uh, a couple of years, and I went to college, I
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charged down for a little while. I mean, it's, it's interesting. You can travel basically
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from Washington, DC all the way, the best of Maine, and you can see houses all the way through.
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It's, they call it, they call it, they make a lot of, it is bizarre, and it is, it's not
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feeling that you really want to have is is nice to have well-defined areas. But I am, you know,
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do I just go from we ask you where would I get a copy of the Green Belt rule?
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I would say it is come to City Hall and speak to staff all of the time because you guys have it here.
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Yeah, you would just come to City Hall. I don't mind giving you a few seconds and give me a break.
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So that's, I don't go wrong. That would right there behind you. That was all about it.
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He runs the, I guess that's it. Thank you, sir.
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Alicia Maris, did I say that right?
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Good evening.
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What's left of the council? My name is Alicia Maris. I'm a business representative
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for the sheet metal workers local 104 and I represent Dixon families. Several of these
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families have been to some of these public meetings held on this project and what kind
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concerns me is that on the staff report, as well as this vision statement, there wasn't
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a word raised about the concerns brought up by working Dixon families.
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Not a word about paying a family sustaining wage to the people who build it, not a word
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about healthcare benefits for those folks.
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Construction is very much a middle-class occupation, and if you're not paying the construction workers who build those houses enough to afford those houses, it's not affordable housing, and there was the subject of affordable housing brought up so glad to hear that.
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We don't understand why this project is being proposed other than to make one family wealthy and a powerful developer even richer.
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We don't need this much housing in Dixon.
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The state of California says that Dixon's doing just fine without this particular project and approved of the city's plan for housing that goes into 2030s.
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And harvest was not a part of that approval.
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And what we're concerned about is why this unnecessary project is getting preferred treatment
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to what might be considered competitive projects being proposed by longstanding Dixon families.
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And it's also concerning that my members tax money is being used by the city to sue those
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local families in an unprecedented suit.
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Hopefully it's not due to the senior managers decades-long personal friendship with Robert and Richard Lewis, the developers.
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We're asking that you slow this down and take a good hard look at what Dixon and the Dixon community needs, not just what a developer needs and what is being sold as something that has to happen because it doesn't.
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development, yes, does have to happen, but not at this rate, and doesn't have to happen this way.
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Thank you. Andy Twist.
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A lot of stuff that I was going to talk about has already been said, so I'll make it for it.
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I think if you look at what they were saying about, we stayed under a 3% rule, I think that's
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if you took everything in bundled together, you didn't do each year at a time.
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The other pocket is that they're wanting to annex the land.
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So that's kind of like taking it.
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So the deal is this.
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I've seen a lot of meetings for the Greenville, but nobody's willing to talk about it.
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And I know when I was a kid, it was in 86.
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It was like the shape and the batter.
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I asked to get it from City Hall. They would not give it to me. So I went to a vacadil.
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They had one. It was all cut up. It was for that year only 2023.
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But I found a master print. It's in the Harbison house at the nut tree.
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But I went in there. I said, I found a master print. Let me go down and let's look at it.
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Okay. He goes in the back.
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He comes back. He's white as it goes. I said, the mayor said you couldn't do it, right?
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He said, not to. I look out first.
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All the maneuvers times could not get it when I'm getting out by mentioning the green belt with all this because they want to annex the land
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I say we've already cut it up. It looks like pack man
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It's not anything close to what originally was
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We can reallocate this land right out here. Green belt this area
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And not have to worry about it unless you guys can figure out how to get it.
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Order, please.
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This is a business meeting. All right.
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Caleb Gomez
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Good evening.
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My name is Kayla.
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I'm a field representative for Local 180.
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What covers the six.
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Fixing.
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Here today to highlight the potential benefit.
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The potential benefit is a project like this could bring.
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However, my primary concern is whether this project will genuinely serve the interest
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of our community.
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The partner is important to know if the developer plans to hire a responsible general
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that committed to fair wages, health benefits, and the apprenticeship.
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Fair wages are essential to address the high possible living in our area.
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Ensuring health care benefits may mean my family, me, as well as my fellow workers, can access
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necessary medical services without financial strain.
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Local hiring practices are crucial not only to avoid long commute, but also to great
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drops and strength in our community.
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I urge the developer to prioritize these values, fair wages, comprehensive health care, local hiring, also general contractors at higher from state of British citizenship program, so that this project can prove you benefit our community.
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Jeremy is economic.
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Got it?
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All right.
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Well, I appreciate you guys hearing me out today.
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I just had a couple of comments.
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As you said, my name is Jeremy Peppano.
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I'm currently serving as a President, organizer of IBEW,
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Local 18, Bill Electricians Union.
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And because everyone always asks,
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yes, I'm a local local.
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I'm probably wondering if you and the room that didn't mutton, but at the Dixon May fair, I remember
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sewing at Fireshap Party Market that most people probably just think is a park now.
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I went to Anderson Elementary, went to CAJCups, I was Dixon FFA, I played football at Dixon.
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For the gentleman that's in the history of the council member done, my dad's mightu, my mom's Patlin.
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So I've got a long interest in this piece of dirt.
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And what sells houses is I-80.
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We have one because we're on I-80.
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We don't have to compromise on anything because we're on I-80.
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I-80 is gold.
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We don't have to compromise on anything.
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If the developers are not going to do it the way that your constituents want it.
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Someone else will knock on the door next week because we're on I-80.
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The Bay Area is never going to stop marching down I-80.
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We can get absolutely everything that we want or don't want.
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We don't have to do this project or we can do this project.
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I'm not opposed to change, change is going to happen one way the other.
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But we can, as a community, get everything we want out of every single project because we are an I80.
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We're not in a hall or in West Virginia.
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We're in California and I80.
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We can get anything and everything we want to mold our community.
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The better our community, and like my brothers and sisters said, this is a generational issue.
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We do not have to say yes to every single project or no to every single project, but what we can,
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and what we should do is use it as a mold to benefit our community.
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Because as the gentleman that's in the history knows, I've been on this piece of dirt.
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My jocondo DNA for over 10,000 years plus.
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I'm invested in this piece of dirt in this community and I want the best for it, I care about it.
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And that's going to come through a long line.
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Oh, I'm almost out of time.
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It's all I had to say.
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I appreciate you guys hearing me out.
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Thank you, Jeremy.
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And, Danny, where are you?
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So, I'm a business rep for the little 343 funders teamfingers.
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But I'm also a fixed resident and I've got some feelings about this project.
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As a Dixon resident, I didn't move here to see Dixon become a suburb of the Bay Area or Sacramento.
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You can talk about all you want about the traffic improvements, but you can't add thousands of car trips today of a Dixon Street with this project and not have terrible impact on the quality of our lives.
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Every project in Fairfield and Sacramento is declared you're mitigating the traffic and look at those besties turned out.
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Over 800 acres of farmland will be lost and you want to spend relative pocket change to
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developer provide so-called the mandies that mostly benefit the new residents.
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You can't lose that much farmland and not hurt the local farm economy.
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Let's look at the next mayor come out.
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It's pretty cool.
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I think anyway.
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It's up in here.
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You also are going to put pressure on the farmers to sell for development and there's less support
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that land use. Again, I'm a construction worker, largely, and it's been tough for us lately.
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But even if this developer committed to use the local workforce, being a decent resident,
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I'm not even sure if it's even worse, but I like the way it gets to it is now.
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But when we move here, we end my family. And I brought my family here for a reason.
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And I like how the town is now. It's a waste of days.
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I'd like my brother to sister just said, but it's lower down a little bit.
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It's just kind of take a look and see what we can do.
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But uh, appreciate your time.
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Thank you.
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All right.
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That's the last of my speaker cards.
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So if there's anyone in the audience that didn't turn one in,
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I'd like to talk.
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You can sign up at the back and come down one by one.
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But if it about being in the front is your first in line, right?
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There you go.
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Good evening Mayor Bird and Council members.
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I think most of you know me, but if you don't, or folks in the audience don't,
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I'm Katlano Haller and Heller, and I'm a lifetime Dixon resident.
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I also thank you, Mike recall, that my mother, Mary Meburton, who was actually mentioned
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earlier this evening for her contributions to performing arts, was the architect of Measure B.
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And while I've read and understand the conflict that Measure B has with state law, and I read
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the housing element and understand that the city's housing element and understand that
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harvest development when combined with the other multiple developments under
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consideration far exceed six and state required growth. So we're good until
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twenty thirty one as I read the housing element. So while I believe that all
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of you do want what is best for Dixon, I also believe that your views about
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what is best might conflict with some of what your constituents want. For
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We don't think that tonight's conversation should be about whether or not we have a splash pad or walking trails in a 6,000 person, a 6,000 home development.
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The question should be, do we want 6,000 in more homes when our housing element up until 2031 only requires 417?
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For us, maintaining a small town feel means no urban sprawl, and right now with the developments
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that are approved and the developments that are being considered were growing in all directions,
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and that feels like sprawl to me.
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I represent a group of like-minded Dixonites who have come together to change the focus of this conversation,
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not just tonight, but in the big picture.
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We've created a grassroots nonprofit called Keep Dixon Green and for folks who are asking for more information
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It's keepdixongreen.com easy to find us
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And I'm currently serving as the president of the organization. There are a couple of other board members here tonight
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And we have a couple of requests
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One is that considering that measure be was passed overwhelmingly
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At least twice by Dixon voters, we asked you to honor the spirit of measure be
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And I understand you said there's some documentation that says that maybe that's all the buildout would be within that.
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But when I look at the two housing developments currently underway, the one that was approved and then homestead,
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the math sort of isn't mapping for me there if we had another 6,000.
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So I'd be interested in seeing those numbers.
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And our second request is that you meet that state required housing element of 417 houses and then place a moratorium on all new construction.
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for five years. We believe that these two requests will give Dixon residents the time that they need
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to work with you to plan for the future that will keep Dixon free. Thank you. Thank you and thank you
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for keeping it in another three minutes. Dixon, please.
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I think you turned it off. So there you go. You're
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good. Appreciate you guys having me. My name is Mike Maloney. I've been here in Dixon
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about six years now moved here because I fell in love with the town. I worked here at a couple
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of small local businesses and really fell in love with the town beside a move here. Originally
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from beneath I grew up there. I worked there. I didn't move out of beneath here because I like
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driving to the beneath every day. I moved out because I liked the town and the small town
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be all that kind of stuff.
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And I think it's kind of beaten a dead horse here,
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but I have concerns regarding the size of the development.
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I think the most important part of Dixon is to keep it small.
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And I don't think you're going to do that by what's
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like almost doubling the size of the town.
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I mean, it's a huge development.
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It's ridiculous, I think.
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I don't want to go down north-first street and feel
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like I'm going down East Montevista in Vacaville on a busy day.
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So we're not Vacaville, we're not fair field,
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we're not trying to be.
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I think I speak on behalf of most of the town
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that we don't want this.
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We just, we want to stay small.
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That's why people move here.
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I work with a lot of people in the industry.
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I work in a lot of blue collar folks.
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They work down in the Bay Area.
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And guess what?
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A lot of them live up here.
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and the same for the same reason.
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They don't live up here so they can commute down to the South Bay
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or whatever and get certain traffic all the time.
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They live here because they enjoy it here for what it is.
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So don't change it.
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Well, I'll go say.
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Thank you.
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Next, please.
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Good evening, Mr. Mayor, County members.
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Hello, I am Jason Russell, I am a Dixon resident.
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I notice there's a lot of young people here in the chamber this evening.
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And I don't know that they necessarily appreciate how much a decision around a community like this matters to them at this point in their life.
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Half of America right now are cost burdened by the cost of their shelter, meaning they spend more than 30% of their income on the cost of their shelter.
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Since 2019, rents have increased one and a half times the speed of their incomes.
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This combined with mortgage rates that have more than doubled in the last three years have
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created a housing affordability issue that is unparalleled in the last 40 years.
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What does this mean in practice?
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In 1984, the average age of a first time home buyer was 29 years old, today it's 38.
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The price of a home in California is 8.4 times that of someone's annual income.
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I don't want to spend my limited time here railing on Sika and other zoning issues, but what
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I would say is that studies have shown that families who struggle to afford their housing,
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they delay medical care, they eat less healthy food, and they have higher levels of anxiety
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and depression.
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Income inequality is a huge issue for us as a country, as a whole, and the only solve for
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This is to be able to lower the cost of housing, and we have tried many, many, many things over the past decades in this country, the lower the cost of housing, and the only thing that works is supply.
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So I want to speak in favor of growing. Yes, do I want us to grow wisely? Do I want us to do it thoughtfully? Absolutely.
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But I think when you look at these young people who are here in the chambers tonight, if you want them to grow up here
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live here, work here, and grow families here, you have to give them some work to live. Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Next, please.
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Good evening. My name is Mike Marsden. I am also on the board of deep mixing green.
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Move to Dixon about six years ago, and I have absolutely loved here.
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May or bird, I'd want to touch on something that you said early that that was interesting to me.
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You said you sympathize with farmers wanting to sell their land and we do not have necessarily the right say who they can sell it to.
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And that's true, but there are limitations. I can't sell my house in and out if they really, really want it, right? They're zoning that have.
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And, and we should be very cognizant that the tone and tenor of what I see here tonight is that
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almost like developers are saviors coming in. If they're going to come in and pay farmers
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a multiplier of what their land is worth, then yeah. Why wouldn't you if someone came to me and said,
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hey, I paid a million dollars for your house in the 4,500,000. I'm probably going to sell my house.
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And I have to imagine that they're the same.
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They are for profit businesses.
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They are not our savings.
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They are not going to give us anything more than exactly what they have to give us
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because they have responsibility to their investors or return on profit as they should.
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Any for profit business is that way.
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I would expect nothing less from that.
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But we should be doing our job to be as skeptical of that as humanly possible.
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We're not anti-grove.
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I know growth is going to happen.
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Every single one of you said, it's inevitable.
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It's going to happen, yes.
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It is going to happen, but it can happen wisely.
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And it can happen with the input of this community.
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Dixon does not have to grow by the amounts that we're talking here.
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And this is just harvesters, multilies, as previous speaker said, there's multiple developments
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on the board that are going to just absolutely explode the population today.
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Thanks.
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Thanks.
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Thanks,
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please.
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Council, Mr. Mayor.
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My name is Blaise Duros.
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I am an 11-year Dixon resident, which by local standards means that I might as well
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You've heard from a lot of your constituents tonight, and a lot of them, a lot of them,
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not all of them, but a lot of them have said that they're not in favor of these kinds
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of relatives of this kind of...
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And I think...
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The thing that we keep hearing from most of this council is that this growth is inevitable. There's nothing that we can do to stop. We absolutely can. In fact, you absolutely can. But you need to hear the voices of your constituents who are speaking to your constituents are saying that this is not what they want.
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The problem is, of course, that money talks, too.
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There's a lot of money involved here as well.
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And I would be remiss, if I did not note,
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that Mayor Bird has taken quite a few thousand dollars
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from the developers that are proposing multiple of these developments.
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It's right here on Form 460.
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You can follow the money through the Dixon police officers
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political action committee.
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There's thousands of dollars flowing from these developers
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right to mayor birds campaign funds. So, I would ask the rest of the council members to
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please listen to your constituents, not to the voices of money. I'd also like to ask mayor
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bird whether or not he will be refusing himself from any votes involving these developments,
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given that he's taking their money. Thank you.
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Next, please.
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Contrater.
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I've been here for a number of these.
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What I have is a series of just thoughts, as I was listening to everybody talk tonight.
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So, they're kind of disjointed, and you will get them in any mail, as will the planning commission, and will.
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First one, we talked about vision of harvest.
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Okay, so harvest has this vision statement that we're putting together.
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Is there a vision statement for the city of Dixon?
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If there is, as anyone take it a look to see,
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how the vision statement of the developer
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contrasts with the vision statement of what the city of Dixon
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has said that it wants.
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Number two, the developer is talking about housing.
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He also has, as the business, an amazing experience
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and developing industry and business.
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He's talking about a whole lot of people moving in,
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but where are these people going to work?
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So they can pay for these houses.
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I would like to see the developer similar to the campus projects say,
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let me include part of this development
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or an additional part of the land for business and development
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to provide the income by the houses.
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Talking about the housing costs, I've yet to see how much are these housing units going to
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cost.
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It would be nice to see in current dollars.
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This is, if we were built now, this is what we would sell it for.
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And then you can see what kind of people have the income to buy that.
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You start talking about changing some of the culture of the city.
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Well, if you suddenly find out that you're having upper middle class or the only people that can afford this housing,
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that's going to change the culture of the city and what we feel look like and feel like.
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Number four, that idea of how do we market the land?
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Somehow, somewhere, the developer, the council, find a way to say to the farmers, if you're
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selling your land, how can we help you sell your land so it can continue to be used for agricultural
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purposes?
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Do we give you tax breaks?
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Do we give you financial incentives to buy the land cheaper?
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Something.
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Number five, even the agricultural thing, I'd love to see the developer include
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plots of land within that development that can be used for a communal purpose for the whole
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owners to plant their own vegetables and gardens. We could have a number of those around.
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And last that I've asked for a number of times I would like to see a site where the public
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can submit questions to the council, to the Planning Commission, and to the developer saying,
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What about this or what about that and have the those units respond to those questions and have it be public. Thank you
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Who knows you already spoke sir?
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No, next speaker
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Okay,
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okay, folks
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You talk about this for an hour with all these points these species points that you've made number one first thing that's wrong is for setting the process is all wrong
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Mr. Petersen is pushing this project, we're not evaluating pros and cons.
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This is the same stuff that you did with the campus mixed use project.
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You might as well just say, we're going to approve this right now.
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As far as SB 330 and you guys saying that, oh, the state's going to tell you that you
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have to build.
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Never hear a California forever.
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I don't think that went in, did it.
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So I guess the state's not going to tell you that you have to build a new city.
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this nonsense, you don't have to annex this land. You don't have to do anything. This
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guy is proposing it, or the company is proposing this. That's all fine and
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damn, I have no problem with it. I've gone back to my libertarian principles. He
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owns the land. He should be able to decide what he wants to do with it. It's your
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choice whether you want to let him into the city. You talk about things. Oh, the
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fire station. How long has the, as the public been talking about, having a
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On the other side of the railroad tracks, we're building two, but we have one, and we're building a second one, and they're both on the same side of the tracks.
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Don't you think that these people lose homes?
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Would be saying, hey, we need to put a fire station over there.
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Or maybe you're going to put it on the tin property.
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Or some of these other properties that you have out there.
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This is strictly agenda 21 stuff.
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You have more than double the density of what you have in the southwest.
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in a homestead. It's ridiculous. There is no small town feel it's going to be the people
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have already told me. It's gone. And you're not going to be able to preserve it, not with
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the campus and make sure you think, where are the people going to work as Mr. Schrader
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said? Oh, maybe in the northeast quadrant where you put all the homes. No, this isn't
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planet. This is nonsense.
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You know, you talk about Gotham Greens, Mr. Bird. You ever
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a free range, rocky the range chicken, whatever. People don't want stuff. It's put in little
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things. We're doing hogs now in contained facilities. You're comparing apples to oranges.
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You need to look at this a lot closer than you are. I'm going to save most of this for some later
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date. I don't think I need to speak to it tonight. You guys are making a mistake. You're going
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down this path all wrong. We should be hearing pros and cons. Not deciding what we want.
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Thank you.
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Anyone else?
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Who else? That's booking.
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Go in once.
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Anyone online, man?
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To provide public comment via video conferencing. Click on
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Raise Hand via telecomference press star nine.
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And there's no further public comment, Mayor.
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All right, Council.
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Well, this presentation was an update and outreach on the project, so any questions or comments
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beyond that?
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Again, there's no action to take on it, it was this presentation.
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It's been floated out there that there was a major B, which was a control of the growth of the B, which was to control.
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The major B was voted by Catland's mom and these Catland's still here.
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Yeah, and it was 3% for your growth.
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So, you know, that I was, I came here in 77, so I remember all this and we looked it up and I actually asked Rob White back there to graph it out and he did and he could be look at that graph, is there any way we could see it?
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I mean, he took the graph, took the major B, grew a line of what the growth was and placed the developments below it, and they're below the graph.
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So, I think we've got some math there going on here that I'd like to clarify.
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So, Councilmember, just to be clear, we'd be happy to put the graph on the website,
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but based on the calculations of measure B, even if it was going to be an
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to honor it and be under that number, this development project that full build out
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as currently contemplated would fall within the measure B parameters that would be allowed.
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So, even if measure B was an effect today,
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it was still this project, it's still falling and taking into consideration homestead which is
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almost built out the campus approval and the harvest project. I mean it's to be to be really
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clear the blue project which has kind of been alluded to. We just received that development
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application today. I think that's what I think it was today. And we've had no meetings with them
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the specifics of the proposal itself. So that one's going to be quite a far behind in the
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view because that process would just be starting. So anyway, just to be clear that that's not
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part of the calculation but even then you take that and we'll go ahead and post that to the
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city's website showing that members of people look at it. So I think it's important because there
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really is a misunderstanding here. At least we could get that set point and do the math and look at it
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because I do think that the 3% growth has been respected.
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There's a lot of talk.
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And let's get that clear one way or another.
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Can I add one more piece of component?
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I think this is important when we go through along the legal framework in which we're working.
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You know, measure B we had to rescind because we had no choice with the HCDs,
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requirements and things of that nature.
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So, well, well, well, B.
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Why we are staying consistent with well, but be allowed under measure B.
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even if it was still in effect, we're not allowed to do it.
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It's the same thing with housing work volumes.
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Under the way that the current housing law
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set, basically, we're just not legally positioned
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to be able to have a housing work
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or we do those kinds of.
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And so the challenge is that this housing continues to develop
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that if you don't bring in any kind of new land, particularly
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for people who want the amenities like a nugget market,
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that requires 30,000 or if they wanted in and out things
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that nature which just comes back very high on the bulls, you know, when we do the surveys
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of what folks want in terms of amenities, you've got to hit 30,000 in most of these jobs
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won't hit come in until you hit 30,000 target, things of that nature.
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The challenge is that you wind up having to build vertical, you know, build up, you know,
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and then we have under SB 330 and a lot of the new laws that are in effect.
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At that point in time, we don't have the ability to even regulate or make much in the way of comments on the maps.
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So it's not that we won't have growth, but what we'll likely see if we don't allow some level of green belt annexation,
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as you will see, for example, growth instead of horizontal.
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I also think for the most part, someone mentioned that he being the spirit of that,
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and I think that we are doing that, and most of us are on board with that.
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And to the group, I mean, at least on staff's behalf, we'd be happy to meet you and kind of go over any of the concerns that you have.
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I mean, we certainly want to be respectful and so we happy to sit down with the answer to your questions.
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So, I mean, we don't really, I mean, the reason that there's been so many public outreach efforts on this,
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if I think folks do want to be transparent, I mean, this is a big project, but there's also big infrastructure requirements that come along with this all the storm issues that we have to solve.
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and we have that on certain sites of project
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we're going to be able to accommodate those things.
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And so we'd be happy to sit down with you
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where others go through some of the specifics
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of why we're doing it, Missouri.
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The number is not arbitrary.
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The number is built to achieve newdy goals,
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like we were talking about, in terms of the amenities
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of the newdy really wants some sites
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that you have to get to in order to be able to have those things.
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If people want, in an addition to that,
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be able to go forward some of the instructors
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stuff that permeates the city that we have to have to do.
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So, again, be happy to extend that invitation.
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It's definitely meeting Rafi.
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It would probably as a key development director would be your primary context,
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but you know, the whole team would be happy to do that.
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I think that's important.
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We're talking about, we have a general plan that we have to do every 20 years.
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And so we have a transportation element, a housing element, et cetera.
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And in that, the housing element is overlooked by the state, and the state tells us that we have to have so many
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affordable homes in this manium, and we keep track of them, but we get focused on that.
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We forget that we have a state legislature, we don't get me too political, but they're stamping out laws by the day, saying that we have that they're all encouraging
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more housing and we're trying to deal with all this. And the fact is that if you look at all
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the mandates that are coming down from the state, most of them were just putting pressure
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on the cities with no money for us to do it, that we're trying to do it the best we can't
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look at the community benefit and where we're going. And I honestly do believe I think some people
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have criticized some of those for this, that there is going to be growth, and I honestly believe
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that we've looked at it enough to see that there is, and we've got, we've seen developers come in here and flop, do a really bad job.
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We've seen other ones come in and do a good job.
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I jumped on the southwest plane and I went down to the development of these people and looked, and I paid for it myself by the way.
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And, and I saw that they are doing a better job than a lot of them out here that they have more amenities that are doing a better job that they finish the job and, you know, I've been living here soon.
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777, like, they're about the community. No, I'm not trying to run for governor or something. I'm trying to give back to the community and I think that they need to look at both sides of this.
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I'm an out of a couple things. First of all, thank you. Everybody who came in and spoke tonight. I really do genuinely appreciate it. I've written down.
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It's important to understand this is part of the process when you've got an applicant that comes in and has a project that they want to do.
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We have an obligation and professional obligation to review what they want to do.
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This particular developer has gone through a lot of time and effort to obtain information from all of us and all of it is important.
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I just want you to understand how that process is going.
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Okay, so continuing to speak and continue to provide your comments are what, when I think
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back to the very first meeting that I went to at Harvest and where there are at now,
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there's a whole long list of things that have permeated into what their plans and what
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their thought bosses are, but it is not approved, okay, it is not.
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There is a tremendous amount of investment that they're going through to go through environmental review and multiple levels of review for not.
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So that we can ultimately see what it's going to look like, but also for them as well.
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And so the continued input is important.
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But on the, on the part that I'm struggling with when we, when I hear stop, no growth or it needs to be planned, and this is not that I, I, I, I take a very serious point about staying even and listening to everybody until the day that there's actual vote, but I, but the one thing that kicks coming up for me, and I did, I did receive two or three emails, I, from people today, and I think they're off coming from the same line.
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I read them, they were similar, so I think they may have been repeats, but they were good thought processes.
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This is a process that if this builder is successful, it's a three to five-year process,
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and then followed by a 20 to 25-year process.
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Rebuild that.
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Supplying demand is really important, somebody brought this up.
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If we close our borders, that is not going to positively impact the value and the hope that there may be more
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for the housing, if you stop, and that's all you're going to do, that is, that is ultimately
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going to cause us to be more expensive for housing, it'll be more of a difficult process.
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But at the end of the day, putting together a planned, strategic thought-out process, whether
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it is this builder or another, whether it is another developer or not, doing something
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that is thinking about what is ultimately a 25 to 30-year plan to me, that sounds like planning, that sounds like a way to go about it.
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At the end of the day though, no matter what it's built, the market is going to determine the need and what is going to be built.
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No builder, this builder or anybody else, they can have all the plans they want in the world.
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But if the market doesn't need it, doesn't want it, it's not going to buy it.
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They're not going to build it.
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So it's the planning part of it that is being under consideration now.
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Not decision yet, but being considered.
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But at the end of the day, this is something that's a 25, a 25 year discussion.
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And even if completely approved, nothing is going to get built
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that people won't buy, but they don't need.
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That is always a litmus test.
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That's always something that's going to protect.
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It's always going to protect the ultimate growth that we have.
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Nothing's going to get built.
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If you are not the buy and don't want to move here and don't want to live.
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So, I am anxious to continue to have the input.
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It carves out.
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It, this, I would absolutely say that there's ears that are listening to what we're saying.
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They're in the back of the room, and they're listening, they're taking notes, I'm sure they're going to probably watch this over and over again.
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But what they're also trying to do, because they're hoping that their project is successful, is they're trying to ultimately carve and create something that is good for our community.
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That's their goal.
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Whether they're successful or not, I don't know. We got a long ways to go.
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Which is true. We got a year and a half, probably, to go.
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So there'll be a lot of opportunities for people to speak.
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And I look forward to it.
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It's an important process that we're going.
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I just briefly, I take a lot of notes, I listen to everybody, and everything, and I will probably watch this meeting again because some people might have spoke a little bit faster than I could write.
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But I do take this seriously and do an educated and I try to investigate issues as best I can and so thank you to everybody that came tonight.
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I will tell you there's others that don't like public speaking, that is either called me or talk to me,
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some on both sides, you know, and we got to listen to everybody, or we should,
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and the other side too is, I said it earlier.
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The land I live on was not housing two years before I bought, and I'm glad somebody sold it and built it for my family, so that's where I'm at.
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No decisions are being made right now. We take it all in. And that's the part of the process.
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And I appreciate all your input. You made some good points. I also appreciate everyone that spoke here.
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And I do take notes. And I have a bunch of them. In fact, I actually think I signed up for
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Dixon Green either yesterday or today. So I'm watching that as well. And I also want to advise the
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that the vice mayor had to leave he wasn't feeling well, so that's why he left.
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But back to the issue at hand, you know, I became attached to this community in 1988
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when I came here and was a staff member and an employee of the city.
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And from that time until now, I served the city as a staff member,
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and I've been on the council for just over 12 years now.
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I've seen developers come and go, I've seen plans come and go, but one thing that I really
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have taken notice to in recent times is, you know, someone said there are, there are
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good and there are bad developers and one of the things that I think was mentioned earlier
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is, developer comes in, there's a lot of shareholders involved with the projects, there's
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just anxiousness about getting stuff done and keep moving and getting that return.
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Well that happens when you have multiple investors and one developer and so there's
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South West Project, for instance, there was one developer, but there is about four or five
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different home builders involved in that, and a bunch of investors, there was sitting
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around waiting for their return and putting pressure on the builders and developers to get
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stuff done.
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However, it was our staff that kept them in line and it didn't sign off and things until it
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was done.
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In fact, some things that were done wrong had to be completely redent, because we didn't
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sign off until we were to take responsibility for it, we're going to make sure it works.
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But, you know, the two most recent developments that we have right now, the one on the
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first and the one coming, the campus project, up in the Northeast Quad, those are all,
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there's not a multitude of investors on it.
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It's a single person putting forth the capital to build something.
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So, you're dealing with one group, not dozens of investors.
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So, we're dealing with a one contact person, basically, with each one of those developments.
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So it gives us a lot more, it's less complicated.
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And we can certainly slow down things.
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I think if we need to, where in the other project
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it was a little bit difficult in cumbersome.
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So I'm thinking that this is something new.
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This is a presentation.
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It's going to continue to be a lot of conversations
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about this for the time being.
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I mean, the land hasn't even been annexed yet.
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So that is, it hasn't even occurred at this point.
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So there's a lot to come.
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and what's can I appreciate all your input and my colleagues and we'll continue to have discussion
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at future meetings.
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So.
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Mr. May I hate to do this one more thing please?
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Oh sure.
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I know.
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I think it was Andy was saying that he kind of alluded to the fact that there was some kind of cover
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up going off and when he went down to.
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And I know I honestly believe that we're being transparent here in the city that we have
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our public information officer. All this information is online. It's right
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right under our web page of Ellen Graf right there. It could help you find anything
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that can navigate through it. I think Ralphie's down there for a Biden
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information when I ask all the time. Now I hate to hear somebody come up and say
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if I came down there and somebody had something from me. I honestly don't well, I
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think it's a miscarriage standing. I'd like to get clarified at some point maybe not
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at night, but at the end of the year I've known you a long time, and I don't want you to think
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the word cover and sum up, because I want to make sure that at least I'm not, and so...
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Okay, I like to get that clear about me at some point, and I don't know if you want to say it at
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some point, it's pretty, you know, defend yourself, please.
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All right.
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So just to be clear, I mean, Robbie and I'd be happy to sit down with you, the documentation
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is all with a back wheel jigs and green belt authority that you're talking about. We haven't
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had a meeting for a while because it doesn't have a lot but it's on the agenda. It's usually
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only when we're going to do kind of conservation easements and things of that nature or
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exceptions do it. But it's a separate legal government entity that we just have a few members
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from this skeletal serves on and a few members from the back bill and the serves on. But you know
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Rothy and I have staff been along with Blue Bay for the last couple of years.
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We happy to sit down and show you, but it's all in the charter authority to bring those, but the land changes
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because we buy easements and, you know, as those are required in that, that those are, like the farmers have to also be going,
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put an easement on their land. So that's why they're a little bit of a hodgepodge.
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All right. Let's move on then. All right.
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And I'm 12.3, receive an update on the third quarter of fiscal year, 2425 budget projections
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and financial results and approve a recommended budget adjustments.
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Yeah, I'm Mr. Man.
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I was wondering if we could just take a short recess to sign the kids so they can go and take a small amount.
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Well, they can...
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We got a lot of people.
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They go to staff in the back.
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Okay.
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I want to keep all in.
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They can go to staff in the back if they need to get signed.
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staff will sign up where you've got to go.
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We're taking this from here.
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Can you do a break?
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No, no, no, no.
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We're in a break.
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Can you do a break?
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I can do a break.
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Me?
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Give me this.
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Let's keep going.
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So we're at.
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Let's keep rolling.
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Okay, let's keep rolling.
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Let's keep rolling.
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Let's keep rolling here.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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No, thank you for coming down.
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And our numbers are always available.
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Okay.
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the meeting is not over. Let's keep going here please. Could you please step outside to have your
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staff sign please?
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Please continue. Good evening council. Good evening, bringing to you the third
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quarter budget update for fiscal year 2425. Some of the time frame and limitations, so this report contains
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preliminary financial results as of March 31st 2005. At the time of the writing of this report,
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The quarter-ing closed is complete.
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There are still adjustments that could occur in future quarters or during the audit that would
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affect these results.
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And I do.
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Excuse me, Kate.
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We're going to need some quiet in the back.
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We need to proceed with this meeting.
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Thank you.
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I do want to emphasize that all of the projections and this we are in negotiations with four
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groups right now and no projections for those negotiations are included in the five-year financial
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projections. So looking at the five-year financial projection, you can see that for the current
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fiscal year, we're projecting a deficit of $1.5 million and an ending reserve balance of
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7.2%. This does include the fourth quarter for the new sales tax. So there's one quarter
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of that included in that.
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For the new sales tax, you did ask that we share with you how
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we're proposing to spend it. So we are projecting that we will receive 663,000 dollars during
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the fourth quarter. For that, we are proposing that that will fund three of the time chiefs,
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fire chiefs, one firefighter paramedic, one police sergeant, and five police officers.
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I want to make sure to emphasize these are not new positions. These are positions that
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already existed, and it's in support of ongoing services.
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Additionally, we have a public
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benefit fund transfer, this transfer began in fiscal year 21. We added six new positions
[1:59:31]
in fiscal year 2020, three fire captains and three police officers. In 2021, we requested from
[1:59:39]
the Council to begin making this transfer and that has been ongoing ever since. Additionally,
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in the past several years, the city has been taking on more of the community events and funding
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and so included in the current air budget is 90,000 that is transferred to the...
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Special event funds to cover the charges for those. The total expected revenue this year, from the public benefit fee, is about 1.1 million.
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For the wastewater fund, we did request a reduction in the revenue projections for this year. Each year, in February, we had just the wastewater rates based upon the winter water average use.
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And this year that resulted in a decline in wastewater revenues, so we did project that.
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Even with that reduction, we do expect that operating revenues will cover the cost of operating expenditures.
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We are proposing a deficit of $3.1 million this year.
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That is due to capital projects, so those are being funded out of the reserves.
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For the water fund, revenues are coming in as projected in the budget, so we have not requested any budget updates.
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Again, water revenues are coming in at a level that will cover the cost of water operations.
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There is a deficit proposed for the current year of just over 2 million, and that is for capital projects as well.
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So, in summary, we do have some minor budget adjustments included with this report.
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We had some salary savings that we'd like to recognize and then just some minor operating changes that needed to be made nothing substantial.
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We will continue to monitor the revenues and expenses throughout the remainder of the year,
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and then we will have preliminary fiscal year 2425 results for you in September of 25.
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We do a cruise through August and so that's when we have a good field work where the expenditures are going to end up.
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Some items I wanted to bring up for discussion.
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I know the Vice Mayor had to leave, but he had wanted to discuss the public benefit fee,
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and whether we would continue to do the transfer that is in the budget.
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That is in the current year budget and it is also in the proposed budget that came out to you last week.
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And then, if you had any questions on the budget amendments that we've included this evening or the financial forecast that I've shared.
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Thank you, Kate. Thank you all my questions.
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Any other questions?
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All right.
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To open a public comment and I want to comment on 12.3.
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See, no one in the audience, anyone at home, Madam Clerk?
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To provide public comment via video conferencing, click on raise hand.
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Be a teleconference press star nine
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and there's no public comment there.
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Okay, so we need a motion to approve the recommended budget adjustments.
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Motion to approve?
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First and second.
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Roll call please.
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Councilmember Ernest.
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Councilmember Henderson.
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Councilmember Johnson.
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Mayor Boge.
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Excuse me.
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Mayor Bird.
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Oh, man.
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All right.
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That's not her fault.
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Thank you.
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Boge comes after me.
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All right.
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12.4.
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Matters pertaining to the party market shade structure.
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Provide staff direction, non-preposed, party-shade, structure project design options by
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minute action and adopt a resolution of proving the party-plaz-shade structure project
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budget amendment to the amount not to exceed 50,000.
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All right.
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Good evening Mayor, Council, and General Public.
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It looks like I have a new tool I appear today, Lou Bae, I'm going to test it, okay,
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it works.
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I'm happy to be here to continue this discussion and hopefully get some
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from Council on where we want to move. This is not a new item. Background party
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Plaza was completed in 22. There were events held there in 23 and this is
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when we heard that the sun was an issue hitting the eyes of the performers. On
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the left side you see several structures that we've discussed previously.
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Always happy to review those. Here's some background of the times this has been
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Council, it started in 23, seeking direction, and most recently it was heard in March,
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where we summarized it, and at that time direction was given to explore additional options,
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hopefully more economical and smaller options, and to go look at some local events sites.
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So, staff did this, we went to Park Winters, which was suggested, and we did glean some items
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from this. I'd like to compare that side to our site. What you'll notice here is that they
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do have an open eaves similar to ours, however it is wood, and they have drilled into the wood
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with eyeballs as attachment points. And they've also drilled into the wood with a clamp sort of material
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to provide attachment points. We've committed at party Plaza not to alter the metal structure that is
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there, we're proposing putting a clamp all the way around the metal rather than going through
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the metal or marring any of the original architecture.
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From the point of the exposed area, it went out approximately 20 feet, and most of the attachment
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points existed in a con-created infants that you see as metal there and additionally it
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had freestanding poles that were bolted into con-crete. This also is different from our
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party plaza site because we don't have con-crete. We can bolt into one of the unique elements
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of the site is that we're really limited to staying in the turf and anytime we go into
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the turf we do have to reinforce what we're doing with concrete, everywhere else, there
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are papers, and there's not underground structure to withstand putting something underground.
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But here on the bottom right, you can see more attachment points of cables to the top
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of a post, which is something that we wish to emulate.
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So on to our site, like I said, we do have an exposed cable.
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Originally, we were not open to utilizing this cable as an attachment point because the structures we were talking about previously had lengths of 90 feet.
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So that means as the cable would go 90 feet, that's a lot of tension, and we did not want to use the existing stage structure as a point of contact.
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If we are now talking about 20 to 30 feet, then we can discuss using the existing cable as an attachment point.
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The attachment points would be thus. Those green circles on the bottom are existing eyeballs.
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The unfortunately are too low for our purpose. They're usually meant for decoration or something else.
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So we've looked at those top areas, those yellow circles and several years ago I brought
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to a project to prevent pigeons because pigeons were nesting in there and so we used to
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have nice little areas where we could have gone over the beans but now we have custom metal work
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in there blocking that but we still are proposing to use clamps or go all the way around the beams
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so that we are not causing any kind of structural damage.
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From those points that you see, we go out into the lawn,
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into the rectangle turf.
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What we imagine what we would like to discuss with you
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is having an adjustable system put out in the turf.
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We would have receivers, sleeves.
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This is not the actual product.
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We would be manufacturing it in-house.
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It's just there for you to imagine it.
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So the sleeve would go in the turf.
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That means that the poles would go inside the sleeve.
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You remove the poles.
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Then it shouldn't impact the sight the rest of the year.
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We could even put little astro turf little patches on top of it
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so that visually it wouldn't distract
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because there would be concrete columns around these receivers.
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Right now we're imagining four to five.
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We'll probably screw up.
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We might need to do more later,
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but that's just about a three-foot piece of pipe, and like I said, we will learn from this,
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and so we can move them as the season goes by because the sun is at a changing angle. Here,
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you'll see the different various attachment points going to the poles using the same type of
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material that we saw at Park Winchers, and the fabric itself would have these grommets in it
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that the cable could go through because that's what we're really losing when you don't have
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the very large columns that are underground that are able to provide tension, you're going
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to have more slack. So being able to weave through those or go underneath would lift that
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sink that you're going to see. Here's the sun which is what we're trying to eliminate and it's
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this is just another way of looking at it. There is your turf rectangle. The blue arrows are just saying that we will go as wide as we need and go as far back as we need and potentially those two middle columns would go back further.
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staff doesn't tend to do a PVC mock-up before we actually cement in the sleeves in the
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turf.
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Yes?
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Two.
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Two.
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Those two in the center might go for their back.
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You see that one little arrow in the middle because of the angle of the sun if I go forward.
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Remember, the angle of the sun is going that way.
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So that would mean that two in the middle would be for their back compared to the correct
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correct.
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In order to keep it symmetrical.
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because really that one all the way on the top on the right is is just for symmetry.
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We've learned that it doesn't really provide shade but if we need to bring those two in the
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middle out further we could do that.
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And this is the only slide here is to provide evidence that we did not spend a penny on design.
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It's a very crude, crude work up right here,
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some triangle sales that would go from point to point greens
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in some kind of variety, but they would be adjustable.
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And these are the shade studies again,
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just to watch the progression of the sun, which is our problem.
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This is in May when you'll see,
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again, the structure that's there is the last one that was proposed,
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but it's the only one we have, and then in July,
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it's to move a little bit further up.
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I know you're going to play around with the figure out, but do you have an idea of how tall you think you're supposed to be?
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We do, but our proposal right now, and I'll just finish this, and I'll get to the material list.
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Our proposal would actually be to have holes with numerous attachment points, and so this way once we put a pull in, and we find that we need to reduce the pitch, then we should just be able to move it to another eye ring that's lower.
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And if we find that we reach a permanent level, we can cut off the top of that pull or we can move it and reuse it.
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We envision this as being a way to learn with everyone else.
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There's been so many conversations about this
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and we did reach out to another vendor,
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some of them all of our information with a sorry
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we have no better option, we have nothing else to provide you.
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So we feel like until we actually see this in play,
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it's going to be very difficult to get everyone's needs met.
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So the point with this, again, is to be expandable,
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adjustable but the pitch will have to come down. So the only way to change the angle further
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would be to build an extension on top of that open-gable which we really don't want to do.
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So the further out we go, the taller it can be, the closer we say to the stage the shorter it
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needs to be to intercept that sun. So we're asking for a $50,000 project budget that would go towards
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the fabric and would go for the sleeves and the poles and give us some flexibility to move
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things around. Otherwise, we can go back to our RFQ for a design consultant. We look at
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the various configurations we've discussed before. There is a rental option. We had discussed
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it's about $40,000 a year, but that's just for your rectangle, white, circus tent.
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That second opinion, like I said, has gone nowhere, and then a reminder that a project budget
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doesn't exist.
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So today I'm hoping we can hash a sound and talk about it and take a step further in an
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interaction.
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Go ahead.
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I know that this has gone on for a long time and we discuss many different ways.
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The only question I had, do you know what the light span of the light span of this triangle is?
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It depends on the fabric.
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So when we were originally having this discussion and we were talking with the professional group,
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it was 10 years.
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10-year warranty but expected 15.
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And it varied by colors.
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I like it.
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I like what you come back with, and it's certainly a fraction of cost we were looking at
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which I'm happy with.
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Just a question.
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So on the existing metal structure,
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are they going to be welded in?
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No, it would just wrap around
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and then we would be able to remove it
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because we've committed to not marring it.
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We're making any changes.
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Okay, so what is the wrap round material again?
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It would be a metal clamping material.
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It's not going to be a bracket or the bracket stays there.
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It wouldn't stay there.
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We intend on being able to remove this, and that's another question of the discussion.
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Do we do this on a weekly basis for a three to four month period or do we leave it up?
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For four months, but no, the bracket would have some kind of cushioning there so it could be removed.
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Okay, so the painted structure and need to protect it somehow.
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Okay, let me say, you know, that's fine, but I mean, welding, you get a welder.
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You can weld something there and it's going to hold forever to and use painted, but
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Yeah, you could have an ugly bead up there too.
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We don't want that.
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Yeah, well, you get that's what you get a good welder. I know of you.
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Okay.
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But anyway.
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You're right there.
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But if it works, then we may move towards a more permanent option where we could well
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it on.
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But I think, you know, for this season, for this round, it's really for all of us to figure
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out can this be done.
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Give a concept on how long you win a target or where to move forward with it.
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Well, this would be done by staff.
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So if you give us money, we will procure materials.
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right now we have Gorillin and Chillin that will be using this space and we are working with some kind of a shade issue with them as well
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So we would anticipate installing this right after them. That's great
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Great news. I appreciate the hard work. What did it slower and any you really got and thanks for going on the
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field trip. The full trip gave you some other ideas. I thought it was they weren't open during the week otherwise
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We would have done the ready ride. Oh, I got you. I think that's a really good chance that what we would what we're going to learn
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Open the me impact by
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So now or more what
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our final decision is
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because some of this stuff that I saw that was
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300 plus was
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Crazy to me, so I think it's a good way to go to start on that note also
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It wasn't symmetrical on my head trouble with that.
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This was too abstract for me, but this has, you know, it's symmetrical.
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It looks better.
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It looks better.
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I think it's okay.
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Is there only we could look at, you kind of used the winters as a, as practice him on this?
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Those were those pictures in the beginning.
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So it's really somewhat different because it's just a 20-foot spread
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and it's going from a metal fence to, you know, wood.
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so they were able to utilize those structures better.
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And they also had concrete that they could bolt the poles into.
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So we're trying to change it and reimagine it for this purpose.
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So there's no sense in driving the winners and looking at it.
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You were just looking at the attachment method, not the design.
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I mean, go there.
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It's beautiful.
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All the rows are blooming right now.
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I would tell anyone to go there and have a beautiful coi pond.
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It really was a lovely walk around.
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We got permission from the property.
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and the manager to go walk around so we could talk with their staff about this project as well.
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But I believe that they're having brunches on the weekend.
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I remember they could have some like this down in the department school because it is a beautiful place.
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It is beautiful.
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It is.
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It really is.
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Anyway, any more questions or let's go to the public?
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Good.
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The public like to come in on this?
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Oh, go ahead.
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So I didn't come here planning to comment on this, but I am uniquely qualified because I'm a photographer and I work with the sun and the sun angles all day every.
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So my question, I actually just have questions for you.
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On the, on the, I guess it's the north western side of these things, how low do you envision those going?
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Yeah, so on the polls that are on the, that are out in the lawn.
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I will say that we do not want to go lower than 10 feet simply because we do not want
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people attempting to hang on these structures or block the view from the street and surrounding
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areas.
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So my comment is this, is that, again, as a photographer, I work with Sun Angles a lot, it might
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be useful before even going down this route to get out there with PVC pipe and string.
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To see if that is even far enough out to get the sun angle out of that performance face
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because frankly what can end up happening is that you have to go so low because the sun
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drop stand of the horizon that it's just not useful and what you're going to do is block
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the view of everybody back there.
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So you have a shade structure that looks like this.
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And so what my suggestion would be is to go out there
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with some strings.
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You need to address the council.
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OK.
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My suggestion to council would be to have somebody
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go out there with a stick and string and see if that is actually
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an angle that is going to block the sun before approving this money
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to go towards it.
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Because the existing designs on that shade study that you showed,
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You notice that the shade is moving from a structure that is a good 30, 40, 50 feet back,
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because the sun is coming in at an angle.
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And so what's going to happen here is that if you have it directly connected to the stage itself,
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all of the shade from that is going to fall on the very back of the stage at best.
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And so I would suggest that before even going forward with a $50,000 solution,
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in order to save a $300,000 solution, is to go out and do some even more direct testing of it
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to see if you even want to spend that $50,000 because then you may end up just spending
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$350 without having, without having checked just on an angle basis.
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That's all.
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Well, what they don't spend, and we get back, and I think you did mention that you're going to
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use PBC instead of either, so I think you did mention that in your presentation.
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John.
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Thank you. My only concern or question is from a liability standpoint. Rain, water, fabric starts to
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pool, starts to collect, you get the weight of the water, how much is that going to be?
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I think it's porous and okay, that was my only concern. Thank you.
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Anyone else? Yeah, I was just comment on that, John, is the idea is with all the events that
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going on from mostly on the months where there's no rain.
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It's really all about the next sun.
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And it's going to be taken up and put them down.
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It's going to be going up and down.
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All right.
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Let's finish public comment.
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Anyone else?
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Anyone at home?
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To provide public comment via video conferencing, click on
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raise hand via teleconference, press star nine.
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And there's no further public comment there.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, I think you did a great job, Lauren.
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I'm supportive of the request.
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I think probably some of that 50,000 was going to go towards the BBC and doing that as accurate.
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Yeah, we have PVC in-house.
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We've attempted to do frames before.
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It's really just fixing it to the open gable that hasn't happened before.
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And that's where you see all of these arrows.
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We need to figure out how far back to take it with that 10 foot limitation.
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And any funny that's not used goes back into the general.
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Correct.
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And believe me, if we try out our trial and it doesn't work,
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We don't want to look stupid either, so we'll come back to that another discussion.
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Anyone else?
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I was going to say something similar, I wasn't going to use the word stupid, but this is
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something that you guys are, you already said, you guys are doing it.
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So it's going to be, we're going to know who did it and what you did, so I'm sure you guys
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are going to make us proud.
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We're going to try our best.
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I appreciate it.
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I think it was Mr. Duro's response in what not, ready for motion.
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I don't want to say good-bye.
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As if anybody cares, but I used to do solar orientations too, because I own the instruction
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company where we play solar arrays, and I think the general background is right.
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Even after we did it, we screwed up once in a while, and you have the sun angle, the different
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months, and you have the different hours, and then it comes all together, you can mess up.
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But I kind of liked the idea that I had nerd before, as rather than using plastic, you
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spring because you're going to see the limits of it. It's going to be a lot easier to test.
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So I appreciate that coming. All right. So I have a motion. Make the motion. Second.
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Madam Clerk, we have first and second. We'll call vote to approve as written council member
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Ernest. Council member Handershot. Council member Johnson. Mayor Berg.
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I. Okay, we postpone or hold 12.5 for another agenda per staff and it brings us to 12.6.
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Upgrade on the engineering departments efforts to unpacker projects and securing grants through the local Iowa Safety Improvement Program.
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This will include an update on the construction of the city's HSIP Cycle 10 project plans, specifications and engineering for the
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HSIP cycle 11 project and the grant application award of the city's HSIP cycle 12 projects.
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Hi, good evening.
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Good evening, members of the council.
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My name is Jordan Santos.
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I am an engineer here at Hearing Department.
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And I am here today to give you just a general update on the city's past and current and future activities related to the highway safety and program or HCIP for short.
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So, for a quick background, the HCIP program is a federally funded but state distributed discretionary grant fund,
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meaning that all of the money is federal money, but because it is delegated through the state,
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how trans is the ultimate holder of the funds and therefore the funds aren't subject to your typical federal grant application standards.
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The city has been actively on an almost annual basis of buying and being awarded grants through the HCIP programs since 2021.
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And typically there are two forms of the HCIP grant.
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One is a set aside grant which are typically lower cost, more immediate in government terms,
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solutions to minor traffic problems and then there are the larger benefit cost analysis projects, which require a significant amount of additional upfront work from the agencies of buying for them and are typically much more competitive compared to the set of site grants.
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So, the first HCIP grants that we were awarded was from HCIP cycle 10 back in either 2020 or the beginning of 2021, which as I'm sure many of you have noticed in our where is improvements in and around John Night Middle School.
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So, when the city had heard the John Night Middle School was being renovated and was going to be reopened, we looked to secure some funding in order to help improve the area.
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But very recently, we threw some struggles that we had through construction that delayed
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the project.
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We have reached substantial completion of the project, the final outlying piece where the
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electrical components of the RFBs associated with the primary crosswalk that goes north
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south along the eastern leg of the 4th Street and East A Street intersection.
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With that, again, there are pretty significant improvements to the 4th Street and East A Street
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intersection as well as some additional crosswalk enhancements to update the crosswalks
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the more modern, latter-style striping at North 4th Street and B Street, South 4th Street
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and May's and East A Street and 7th Street.
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So, again, the project is in its project, completion slash acceptance phase, there's some
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minor work that needs to be repaired on the project by the contractor, otherwise we are effectively
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finish with it. For age of cycle 11, we were awarded funds to do some crosswalk improvements
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and really crosswalk installation over at the good neighbor Christian school down the street
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as well as some additional crosswalk improvements at East A Street and Fifth Street to finalize
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the improvements centered around John Night Middle School. The intersection or the crossing
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improvements over by the good neighbor Christian school will include the installation of
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new landing platform, new concrete landing platforms both on the south and north side of the
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street as well as a new brand new crosswalk and again installation of RFBs to assist with
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crossing the road, especially with the traffic from people coming in from county roads.
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We felt that was a fairly significant area because of the number of schools along that
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road. We did, in conjunction with the Public Works Department, install a few warning signs
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in county's right of way. We got permission from Sloan County to install some warning
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sides in coming westbound into town from the county roads to help announce that there is a
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school zone coming up.
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For cycle 12, we applied for this last year during the call for projects
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and we're actually awarded two separate grants.
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So, one of them for the district improvements and one of them for bicycle-related improvements.
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So, for the bicycle-related improvements, this project stemmed from the streets master plan that we had
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finalized and approved by Council back in 2021.
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It involves installing striped bicycle lanes on North Adams street from a street up to North
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streets for those that are unaware North Adam Street as part of the Solano County Regional
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Bikeway that goes from the far end of Fairfield, I believe, all the way through to Davis.
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The striping will be very similar to the striping improvements that were made along South
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Board of Road when we completed the final phase of the Vacadix and Project in conjunction with
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It's a lot of convenient in back of y'all.
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So typical Class II.
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Likewise striping with the green, it's interconnect striking or disruptions striping at all of the interceptions.
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That's really
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it, I just wanted to comment, provide an update on what our active transportation grant projects are outside, of course,
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of the part we will of our project.
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But I'm open to any questions or any comments that you may have.
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Okay, there's not action progress information only, but do you guys have any questions of Jordan?
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Real quick.
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I just, um, people that run around preventing things don't often get a pause, but thank you.
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You're preventing those apps and possible death, though.
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Don't ever be famous for that because you're preventative, but.
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And looking to find ways to bring funds in to our city that we don't have to generate within.
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It's another who well done for me.
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Thank you.
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I appreciate that.
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What else?
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Thanks, Jordan.
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Thanks, Jordan.
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So I'll go to the public comment.
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Anybody in the public I'd like to comment in this item?
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Yeah.
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It's a find it interesting that we believe that striping has solved the problems on fourth and
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a-street.
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I would imagine the people that live over in that area, such as Mr. Bezene, who is not...
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It's not conducive for him to come down here due to his health condition, as far as having
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a potential heart problem dealing with youth people.
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It's rather ridiculous that we haven't taken care of the problem that we have to listen
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to.
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We need funding to put striping down.
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I mean, how big of an expense is that?
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I would just simply say, where's the stop sign that should be there?
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You have, that school is loaded with kids.
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You need to have additional controls.
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Mr. Henderson, I talked about the speeding coming from out in the country coming into town,
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and I'm not slowing down.
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You've got a minor hump out there that doesn't do anything.
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It's so ridiculously small that people just fly over it.
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I don't see that you've solved anything out there.
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to see that we've got grants for this sort of thing, and nothing is happening other than striping and the speed hump.
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It doesn't sit well.
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Thank you.
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Anyone else?
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Please do us again.
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This is one that you have heard not from me, but from my family about in the past.
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And I want to say that, partially, we are happy to eat some of our words that, to Mr.
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Sarah Miller's point, we actually have seen a pretty good improvement since the lights went in at that speed hump.
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So when those lights are flashing, we have seen drivers slow down.
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It is, that is a significant improvement on how things have been at that intersection.
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So I also, if you want to say well done, that is, that is working well today, I think that, you know, as you, as you heard, is a lot of us that are concerned about the ongoing development, I would say that this is still in area that we would like to have you all keep your eyes on, because as we see more development going in, especially at campus, whether or not harvest comes in, a street is going to be gone.
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a little bit more, but thoroughfare, especially for students coming into John Knight.
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And so looking, continuing to look at that intersection as a potential
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stop-site area, stop-sign area, would be appreciated, but I do want to acknowledge
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that this has been a big improvement over the way that things have been
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over at John Knight.
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I love two doors down from that intersection, so I know.
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Thanks.
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Anyone else?
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All right.
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Anyone online?
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If you provide public comment, the video conferencing click on Raise Hand, the Attella Conference
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Press star 9,
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and there's no further public comment there.
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Okay, and that was an update to report no action needed.
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I have something to say.
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Okay.
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First off, Jordan, thank you, and I appreciate it.
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The way I see this is another piece, the fix the problem out there, and it is getting better.
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I work out very occasionally and watch, but I'm still determined to get a stop sign there at this street in A Street coming in from the big east because I still think if people end up stopping that far out it will slow them down coming through there.
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So this is an important piece, but we're not done yet today.
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Okay, having that move on to item 13, so before public comment again for non agenda items, I think everybody got everything out on a harvest so we don't need to reiterate that, but if there's something someone would like to share that was not covered earlier, when you had their first attempt to public comment now be the time.
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actually this does apply a little bit to the harvest comments because Mr. White chimed in
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after the comments period was over. He made the statement that
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Measure B with the 30% limitation would still allow all of these homes to be built.
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Well, the fact of the matter is when Measure B or Measure D as it was originally called was put in place back in the
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I guess in the 1980s and then voted to get in 1996, that it was not supposed to be a target of 3% growth.
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It was a limit of 3% growth. You didn't use it, you were supposed to lose it.
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We had this commentary many times over the years. I've been here since 1991 and I've heard,
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and I know I've talked to Mr. Ferrarro, who was part of the group long with Jeremy Burton,
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But this thing in, and yet we had a city manager at the time,
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wasn't Mr. Lenley, that decided that they wanted to thank all
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of these allocations, and then it became a target.
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That was not the point, and I made the point, so I guess that's it.
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Thank you.
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Anyone else?
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Anyone at home?
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To provide public comment via video conferencing, click on right
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be a telecomference press star nine and there's no further public comment
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mayor. All right items from the council Mr. Ernest. Mr. Johnson. I have one
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item. The at a future meeting. There was a when we went through all the water
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project and we had a one two three four five year plan and it was eventually
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past of the 2018 process, there was a plan for year one plan for year two. I know May and June is busy,
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so I'm going to officially say it doesn't have to be in the next two different meetings, but I think
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it would be very helpful for the public to see how that has transitioned and what's going to be happening
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and when based on the plan that bringing back up, bringing Josh back in and what's he done so far,
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what's planned, what's in the works.
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I think it'd be good for the water customers
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to see what's going on with the revenues
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that were contributing to.
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Would check on the meeting,
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but probably second meeting of July.
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That way, it's the beginning of the future.
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Let's try to shut.
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Just to a couple things,
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the pancake breakfast Saturday morning,
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with the right foot area.
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Fox and then the braid.
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We will be lining up probably roughly quarter to nine.
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All right, I have nothing else to report items from the city attorney.
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Nothing more tonight.
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Addams from the city manager.
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Nothing more sir.
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All right, informational items for upcoming meetings on the 30 day calendar,
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five to 12 special city council and meeting budget workshop, six p.m.
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Planning Commission was canceled for 513.
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Back at Dix and Greenbelt Authority on the 14th.
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Those canceled.
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It brings us to May 20th for the City Council meeting at 7.
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On the 27th Parks and Rec Commission will meet.
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And on June 3rd it will be the first City Council meeting for the month of June.
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And with that this meeting is adjourned.