[3:50] At this time, if you would, please silence your cell phones and be advised that these proceedings are being recorded.

[3:56] If you desire to address a city council during the meeting, please complete a request to speak form.

[4:03] They are available at the front entrance, and if you would please give those to our city clerk.

[4:08] Speakers will be called upon at the appropriate time, and our speakers will be allowed three minutes of speaking time.

[4:16] This time I will call to order and convene the regular meeting of the City of City of

[4:22] Grand Terror City Council meeting for Tuesday, October 22nd, 2019.

[4:29] Our invocation tonight and our pledge of allegiance will be offered and led by members

[4:35] of Scout troop 40.

[4:36] If you would please rise.

[4:38] Having

[5:03] the Lord please bless us on the site.

[5:06] Keep everybody safe and have a nice meeting to where we can discuss any flaws or good things within the city.

[5:21] We think we think the Lord for making every safe.

[6:12] If you would please help me welcome the young men of troop where they did that at the last minute at my request.

[6:22] Madam City Clerk, may we have a roll call please.

[6:24] Council Member Allen.

[6:28] Council Member Hesse.

[6:30] Mayor Potsson Wilson.

[6:32] I am here.

[6:33] Mayor McNubo.

[6:34] President.

[6:35] Council Member Robles is absent.

[6:36] Mayor, you have a quorum.

[6:37] Thank you very much.

[6:38] We have a special presentation tonight.

[6:41] It is a proclamation for the 25th anniversary of the California Desert Protection Act.

[6:48] So I will read the proclamation and I believe Mr.

[6:51] Moissus is here tonight.

[6:53] So I'll read the proclamation.

[6:55] We'll have a photo up and then I'll have you say a few words about this, all right?

[7:01] Commemorating the 25th anniversary of the California Desert Protection Act,

[7:05] whereas October 31st, 2019, marks 25 years since the beginning,

[7:09] since the signing of the 1994 California Desert Protection Act, CDPA,

[7:17] which recognized the world-class uniqueness of the California Deserts

[7:21] provided destination points by creating the Mojave National Preserve, Joshua Tree National Park,

[7:28] and Death Valley National Park, as well as 69 new desert wilderness areas in the California Desert

[7:36] Region. And whereas over the last 25 years, the protected lands and wildlife values of the California

[7:44] desert have created a benefit to desert travel, including visitor spending industry earnings

[7:52] and government revenue. And whereas the protected lands of the California desert are the historic

[7:59] home and contain the sacred sites, cultural artifacts, and cultural landscapes at the Chimhavi,

[8:07] Mojave, Serano, Coia, and Paiute, and other tribes that have lived in the desert region for millennia.

[8:18] And whereas the protected lands of the California desert provide a place for members of the desert community and visitors alike to view wildlife, hike, bike, and engage in off-road motorized recreation.

[8:32] And what are as the protective lands of the California Desert provides a place for residents

[8:38] who enjoy the rural character of deserts, mountains, and wildlands to experience solitude,

[8:47] and disturb vistas, and glorious sunsets, and de gaze up in the night sky without light or noise pollution.

[8:55] And where as the protective lands and conservation measures of the California Desert safeguard

[9:00] precious groundwater, aquifer watersheds, desert plants, and wildlife, and air quality

[9:08] critical to our region and economy. And whereas the protected lands and conservation measures

[9:14] of the California desert are the product of community input and stake holder engagement,

[9:20] and whereas it remains in the city of Grand Terrace interest to maintain the protected lands

[9:26] of the California Desert as a recreational resource as part of the larger ecosystem and as

[9:33] wildlands. And now therefore be it resolved. The City of Grand Terrace honors and recommits

[9:40] itself to the safeguards within the past 25 years of desert protection and the scenic

[9:46] vistas, cultural landscapes, wildlife habitat, habitat, dark night skies, water resources,

[9:53] as military security and economic benefits provided by the protection of lands in the California

[9:59] Desert presented this 22nd day of October 2019, it is signed by myself and my colleagues

[10:07] up here with me and council member Robles, who could not be here tonight.

[10:12] If you would please join us over here for a photo.

[10:56] Thank you, Honorable Mayor, McNibo, and council members on behalf of the Sierra Club and

[11:05] the Sierra Club members that reside here in the great city of Grand Terrasby are heartfelt

[11:14] when hearing these words from our mayor describing what an important piece of landscape

[11:22] we have in our own backyard.

[11:25] The impact on the economy of the desert is in the billions.

[11:31] Seven billions, seven billion is used to generate a great

[11:39] standard of living for those of us in the surrounding area that

[11:43] uses desert not only as a sacred place but also as a part of our

[11:51] or economy. I grew up in the concrete jungle. Didn't visit the desert for years, not until I

[12:00] was in my early 30s. I took my nephew with me. He was around 10. He grew up with asthma.

[12:08] When we were out in the desert, we were out there for a week. Didn't even notice.

[12:18] I mean,

[12:19] He was breathing perfectly fine, and it was just the magical moment under the canopy of the Milky Way, looked over at him, and we just talked about his dreams, and it was beautiful to be in that awesome environment.

[12:32] So we just thank you, and all those citizens here that are protecting it, and we'll continue to do so. Thank you.

[12:39] Thank you for your work on this project.

[12:44] Our next item is reordering or additions to a removal of items from the agenda and that

[12:51] I'm city clerk.

[12:54] We have items for removal.

[12:56] Staff is going to pull Council Member Robless's future agenda item request due to her absence

[13:01] from this meeting.

[13:03] Okay, thank you.

[13:05] So we'll move to the consent calendar.

[13:07] Consent calendar items are expected to be routine in noncontroversial.

[13:11] They will be acted upon by the City Council at one time without discussion.

[13:16] Any council member staff member or citizen may request removal of an item from the consent

[13:20] calendar for discussion.

[13:22] Are there any requests for removal of items from the consent calendar?

[13:27] All right, see none.

[13:28] I'll entertain a motion for the consent.

[13:33] May your own move that we do this thing.

[13:40] Are we approve the consent calendar?

[13:43] motion by council member Allen second by council or mayor pro 10 Wilson please vote

[13:50] motion passes with council members Allen and has see voting yes mayor

[13:54] pro 10 Wilson voting yes and mayor mat no voting yes all right thank you

[13:59] next we have public comment and this is an opportunity for members of the

[14:02] public to comment and items not appearing on our regular agenda tonight because

[14:07] our restrictions contain in California law the city council may not discuss or act

[14:11] on an item that is not on the agenda, they may briefly respond to statements or ask a question

[14:18] for clarification and they may ask for a brief response for staff or that an item be

[14:24] agendized for a future meeting. Do we have a request to speak at this time? No, Madam

[14:30] Mayor. All right.

[14:34] We're saving it up for the items on the agenda. So when we move on to council

[14:38] communications beginning with Council Member Jeff Allen.

[14:43] Thank you, Mayor.

[14:45] The first thing I want to do is, I didn't know if I could, if I should pull this side of a look and think calendar.

[14:50] I didn't.

[14:52] I should have asked first, but I just wanted to item six on the consent calendar.

[14:57] Was the letter of resignation from Ms. Suarez?

[15:00] As Parks and Regration Committee, who moved away, and I just wanted to publicly state, thank you, two

[15:07] and so far as for her dedication on the Parks and Regration Committee, and all the folks from the community

[15:14] who dedicate themselves to the various committees and councils and boards and different things that

[15:20] are our town moved forward. We thank her for her time and wish her well. I do. And so with

[15:29] that said, on October 9, I attended the Solid Waste Advisory Task Board semiannual meeting.

[15:38] What I took away from that, I need to, or I'd like to bring it to your attention,

[15:44] That next year, landfill organic waste must have a 50% reduction.

[15:53] That means all the food waste that goes to California's landfills.

[15:57] By 2020, there must be a 50% reduction.

[16:00] And in 2022, the regulations take effect.

[16:04] And cities and counties have to start reporting this immediately.

[16:09] Local governments will be responsible for almost all aspects of this effort by the state to reduce our landfill waste by providing organic collection services to all residents and businesses, conducting education outreach in the community, secure access to recycling capacities, establishing edible food recovery programs.

[16:35] This is what's happening net by next year is edible food recovery programs, and I think that's really a great thing because a lot of our air quality is affected by the methane produced by the organic waste in our landfills.

[16:52] So, our cities, we are going to be have big responsibilities on us.

[16:57] We learned from a private recycler who is trying to establish a pulping plant and a mixed

[17:04] plastics to fuel plant we heard from him and also that we just, they talked about how

[17:14] over on California Street in Redlands, folks might want to try to avoid that through

[17:17] construction and grinding that street up and he's valu recycling and transfer has submitted

[17:25] a revision to the local enforcement agency to increase tonage from 900 tons per day to 1500 tons per day.

[17:34] On October 11 at the Omni Trans route revision update meeting I attended and I learned about that and

[17:40] the only thing I want to say about that is I'll defer anything to you mayor because you're on the board

[17:45] I have directors, but I just want to say that I and we are pushing strongly to get more

[17:54] bus stops, especially to go from here to the VA hospital, either from Riverside, from

[17:59] RTA or from Montenegro.

[18:00] We're really working on that, and so we want you to know that.

[18:04] I attended on October 17 and 18, I went to the League of California City's annual conference

[18:10] and Expo, and I learned about new technology there that's being used to optimize city outcomes

[18:18] and transportation and modern policing technology in California. Resiliency and tragedies,

[18:26] and that's affecting a lot of communities today, happened in Santa Rosa this morning.

[18:35] I just

[18:36] learned about managing, let's see, resiliency, preserving community identity,

[18:46] and cannabis

[18:46] for all and managing housing.

[18:48] No way it's managing housing and cannabis for all, or it's one of those, it was housing

[18:54] for all and managing cannabis use, that's what it was, two different training sessions.

[18:59] I was confused, who I learned about that too, and it was a great event, and I'm glad

[19:03] I went, learned a lot.

[19:05] Thank you, Mayor.

[19:05] Thank you, Councilmember Allen.

[19:07] Councilmember Bill Hussie.

[19:10] Thank you, Mayor.

[19:10] I was going to save Mr. Allen.

[19:11] I didn't know the cannabis for all was part of the class.

[19:15] Mr. Nettie.

[19:16] I know it was a long sessions, but yeah.

[19:18] It was really okay.

[19:20] Really unique to League of Cities.

[19:22] What they had.

[19:23] I just got one personal thing here is from the P.T.

[19:27] For Grant Terrace Elementary or Terrace View Elementary School.

[19:31] Tomorrow's Unity Day.

[19:33] And it's from 7 a.m. or 7 10 a.m. to 8 30 a.m.

[19:39] What this is a request from the PT was a,

[19:43] that I read it.

[19:43] Please join us as we take the morning to greet our students as they arrived to school.

[19:48] UD today is the signature event national bully prevention month.

[19:52] Has been recognizing United States since 2011 to participate in unity day.

[19:57] Individuals, schools, communities, and business where or display orange to

[20:01] support for students who have been bullied. The message from us is to

[20:06] kindness matters. Let's spread kindness on this morning at Tara's

[20:10] View Elementary School and show the students we care about the safe and

[20:14] kind community. Please arrive at 7.10 a.m. and come in the front of the

[20:18] school you're welcome to make your own personal posters with the message that

[20:22] are positive uplifting. For example we're glad to see you kindness matters and

[20:27] starts with you. I'm glad you're here. You are loved. Stand up for what's right. Smile. Life is good, walk tall and spread kindness.

[20:35] You can wear orange or add orange to your uniform or retire. You're welcome to bring orange props to greet students.

[20:41] The more orange the better. It's a simple message and it's nothing more powerful than having all of you help.

[20:47] Send this message to our students. So thank you for choosing to participate in Unity Day.

[20:52] So it's open to anybody who would like to come out there

[20:54] at Terrasville Elementary and welcome to students

[20:57] as they come in the morning or orange, if you have it,

[21:01] but just be a kind smile out there and welcome them.

[21:04] And it's a help of stop bullying in the schools.

[21:07] So that's all I have there.

[21:08] Thank you.

[21:09] Thank you, Council Member Hesse.

[21:10] Mayor Protem, Doug Wilson.

[21:14] Thank you, Mayor.

[21:15] I'd like to also mention that I've two,

[21:19] It was invited and I was the voting delegate for the League of Cities this weekend.

[21:28] It was actually the 16th, 17th, and 18th.

[21:32] And I remember now why I hate the 91 freeway.

[21:37] Because that's how I got back and it took me about three hours to get on.

[21:40] But other than that, when I was there, there was a lot of educational opportunities as well as league business.

[21:47] And one of the items that Vodafore was had to do with what they call rule 20, which is a utility fee.

[21:59] And it has been stretched at least according to the Vodafore and the process of lobbying for it to include wildfire items.

[22:12] because as we know, there's a real problem with it, and as we saw here, recently up in San

[22:18] Rida, you know, it can happen to anybody.

[22:23] I really also enjoyed a lot, the information about a grant that is out there, and it has

[22:33] some conversation with staff a little bit about it.

[22:36] But regardless of the grant, the important thing is that, in order for us to be able to

[22:41] consider providing for the future generations in additional housing opportunities.

[22:49] As you know, we're a very non-dense area, and we like it like that, that's fine.

[22:57] But there are also opportunities when you've got, like I have, I've got a big ol' half acre,

[23:02] which most of it's useless, but I have a half acre behind me and instead I chose to build

[23:11] I chose to take down my third car garage and put in place and add to it a father-in-law

[23:20] suite.

[23:21] And that served my father-in-law for the eight years he was with us until he was 90 years old.

[23:27] It worked out real well because it was an easy transition for him to sell his single-family

[23:33] home in West Covina, and then be there near us with privacy.

[23:38] There was no door directly between my house and his little space, and it was equipped with

[23:47] a bedroom, a bathroom, a full bath, a full kitchen, and a little nook area, and of course

[23:57] it's on front door and a little living area.

[23:59] In that it was less than or was actually measured exactly 350 square feet, which is less than

[24:07] a two-car garage.

[24:09] He was a big fellow, so it worked out really well for him.

[24:13] He could get around and do what he needed to do, so I would suggest that if you're contemplating

[24:20] That kind of circumstance, last year the state passed some laws that made it desirable and not only desirable but also affordable.

[24:31] I just remember that you need to hook your addition onto the existing unit in order to be able to avoid impact fees and so on.

[24:41] So I would suggest that you contact the city if it's something that you find would work out

[24:47] for your plans and see what you can put together in order to be able to create that

[24:54] second year in an accessory unit and that's all I have for report.

[24:59] Thank you.

[25:00] Thank you.

[25:02] On October 10th, I attended the Metro Valley Study session for the San Bernardino County

[25:07] transportation authority, and there were a few items of business to report on that.

[25:11] One of them was the preview of hearings to consider resolutions of necessity.

[25:16] For property interests for the Mount Vernon Viadec project in the city of San Bernardino.

[25:21] And so that's a bridge that spans a number of railroad tracks.

[25:26] It's been in existence for decades, and it really needs to be replaced.

[25:31] And so, unfortunately, that means that there's property that needs to be considered.

[25:37] So, while they're negotiating that, they are actually looking at starting the process

[25:42] for condemnation at this time in the event that perhaps they don't reach negotiations

[25:48] with the owners of those properties.

[25:50] We also recommended for approval to the board, a cooperative agreement with the, with the

[26:01] 15 court arch contract one, defining roles, responsibilities, and funding for these phases.

[26:08] And this is an expansion of interstate 15 to include HOV and perhaps express lanes.

[26:14] And then we also recommended approval to the board for a second amendment to a contract

[26:19] with the City of Montclair for their construction of the Monobus to Avenue Great Separation

[26:23] Project.

[26:25] On October 9th and 10th, I attended the California Joint Powers Insurance Authority Risk Management

[26:31] conference. He had some very interesting topics. One of them had to do with public liability

[26:37] after a fire and how to prepare for how to prepare your community for the things that come

[26:43] after a fire perhaps comes through. We also had a nice briefing by a couple of cities that had to

[26:57] respond to major disasters in their communities, mostly due to wildfires, and their emphasis

[27:04] was on telling cities about how to set up your emergency operations centers and making

[27:09] sure that staff know what their role is in the event of any kind of a disaster, and probably

[27:17] most importantly, making sure council knows what its role is during these times as well.

[27:22] There was a session that I attended on cyber and ransomware exposure and that's something

[27:30] that we really need to keep in mind because it can become very expensive and make it very

[27:35] difficult for the city to operate.

[27:38] There was a discussion about approaches for staff who may encounter homeless and a nice way

[27:47] to approach those in the community that are homeless and help them to get to the help they

[27:52] need while staying safe.

[27:55] As Council Member Allen briefly mentioned, there was a meeting with the Omni-Trans staff.

[28:02] Omni-Trans is in the process of identifying 11 percent cuts throughout their service area,

[28:11] and so they came and they briefed us on what they are proposing for cuts in grand terrace.

[28:16] We're not served by too many routes on how many trans bus lines, but what we discussed with them

[28:23] is that Riverside Transit Authority has a bus that comes from Riverside drives all the way

[28:29] through our city out to Loma Linda and doesn't stop.

[28:33] They used to stop and they used to stop and pick up passengers that wanted to head out to the

[28:39] Veterans Hospital or bring those at the Veterans Hospital back this way.

[28:44] And a number of years ago, they changed their route and they come through what they call closed door.

[28:50] So we had a discussion with Albany Trans staff about perhaps approaching Riverside Transit Authority to reconsider and maybe some memorandums of understanding that could be between the two agencies that might entice them to do that.

[29:05] So while they might cut a portion of our service, perhaps we might persuade RTA to start serving as how they used to service.

[29:14] We'll see how that goes.

[29:16] On October 14th to the 16th,

[29:18] they had the opportunity to travel

[29:21] with about 36 other community leaders

[29:24] to visit the state water project, Northern California.

[29:28] They called it a Delta Bay Delta inspection trip.

[29:31] It started with a quick tour of Orville,

[29:34] Dan.

[29:35] We looked at a lot of the restructuring.

[29:39] They've done since the, since the

[29:45] So the Orville Dam, it's on the Feather River, above the City of Orville in

[29:49] Beauty County, and it creates Lake Orville, which does the number of things.

[29:53] One of them is a generates electricity, and it provides drinking and irrigation for the central

[29:58] valley, and it's very important.

[30:00] For us, in Southern California, when it was constructed, it cut off several miles of spawning and nursery grounds for salmon and steelhead trout.

[30:10] And so the salmon and steelhead trout generally returned to their home at the end of their season to lay eggs.

[30:17] And so when they built this oreville dam, it cut off that passage for these fish. So, co-located next to the oreville dam is a fish hatchery that allows the fish to spawn and lay their eggs.

[30:29] and give birth to many other fish that then populate that area.

[30:35] The tour also included a proposed off-stream reservoir that's located northwest of Sacramento

[30:42] that would provide about 470,000 to 640,000 acre feet of water storage.

[30:49] This wouldn't prove water supply reliability and flexibility in the system for Southern California.

[30:55] It's investors are the San Bernardino Valley Municipal Water District and the Metropolitan Water District and other water districts.

[31:05] We also had a tour through the Delta Cross Channel and other areas in the Delta region.

[31:11] We were shown the issues that they were having that create the vulnerabilities in that inherent system that put in jeopardy the water that we received from the state water project and we learned some of the research that they're doing.

[31:24] And lastly, we looked at the banks pumping plant.

[31:28] This is located at the South Delta.

[31:30] It's called the Harvey O banks pumping plant.

[31:33] And it is the beginning of the California Aquaduct.

[31:37] There are 11 pumps that lift water from the Clifton Fort Bay.

[31:42] Lift it 244 feet into the 444 mile aquaduct.

[31:49] And the water begins its journey from there.

[31:51] and it ends here in Southern California.

[31:54] So the water from this system provides irrigation,

[31:56] not only to the San Joaquin Valley,

[31:58] but also to urban Southern California.

[32:02] It was an amazing tour and it really shows the investments

[32:06] that have been made over the course of time

[32:09] in providing water for our region,

[32:11] but also the things that jeopardize the future

[32:16] of the ability for us to get water from the state water project

[32:19] and to know that our San Bernardino Valley

[32:21] water district is being forward looking in its investments and its discussions about ways to improve

[32:29] the delta. And that will conclude my report.

[32:33] So we'll move into the rest of our agenda on public hearings. We do not have any public hearings

[32:39] tonight. However, we have unfinished business item 7 on the agenda. It's a proposed ordinance

[32:45] to amend Title 17 subdivisions and Title 18 zoning of the grand terrace municipal code to establish new minimum public hearing notification requirements on certain development related projects.

[33:00] As this is the second reading of the ordinance.

[33:04] The first reading was brought to council at the last meeting on October 8.

[33:08] staff has no changes to their presentation this time, correct?

[33:13] All right, so if there are no questions of staff,

[33:17] and there are no requests to speak on this item,

[33:20] that is correct, Mayor.

[33:21] All right, I will ask the city attorney to read the ordinance.

[33:24] Thank you, Madam Mayor.

[33:26] The title of the ordinance is follows.

[33:28] An ordinance of the city council of the city of Grant Harris,

[33:32] California, finding the ordinance exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act,

[33:36] and the Mending Title 17 subdivisions and Title 18 zoning of the Grant Harris Municipal Code

[33:44] to establish minimum public hearing notification requirements on certain development-related

[33:50] projects.

[33:52] And so we need a motion for this?

[33:55] Mayor, I'm moving the redal.

[34:02] Second.

[34:03] Motion.

[34:03] I can't remember.

[34:04] Second, by councilmember Hussie, please vote.

[34:09] Motion passes with council members, Allen and Hussie voting is.

[34:12] Mayor Pro Temmelson voting is and Mayor McNabel voting is.

[34:16] All right, thank you.

[34:17] Our next item is item made on the agenda.

[34:20] It's consideration of three concept plans for

[34:22] development of 22317, 22293 and 22273 Barton Road,

[34:32] pursuant to the executed agreement for purchase

[34:34] and sale of real property and joint escrow

[34:37] instructions between the city of Grant Terrace and the Greens Group.

[34:41] And our city attorney has every statement he would like to make prior to director Molina's presentation.

[34:48] Yes, thank you, Madam Mayor.

[34:49] Before the director provides our presentation, I wanted to address three issues for the city council.

[34:55] First is what is before the city council tonight?

[34:59] Second, what is not before the city council tonight?

[35:02] And then third, what are the next steps in the process?

[35:05] So first, what is before the city council?

[35:07] and this is really important to the public.

[35:09] Generally when a seller of property sells their property,

[35:13] they wash their hands clean of it

[35:14] and they're done and they move on.

[35:16] In this case, in the best interests of the city,

[35:19] the city council, when it sold the three properties,

[35:21] retained the right to approve the uses

[35:27] and the types of uses and the combination of uses

[35:32] that could be developed on the property.

[35:34] to accomplish that approval process, the developer in accordance with the purchase and

[35:41] salary agreement is required to prepare and present concept plans of the proposed uses

[35:46] in the various combinations and the site plans as a concept to the city council and the city council

[35:52] has the authority to approve that. That is solely what is before the city council tonight is the broad

[35:59] uses that are being presented for development on the property.

[36:04] But what is not before the city council?

[36:07] What is not before the city council is what I consider the general planning and zoning

[36:11] concepts that would normally be seen in front of the planning commission.

[36:15] So for example, the number of buildings, the sizes of buildings in terms of square

[36:20] footages, the heights of buildings, physical design of the buildings, landscaping,

[36:26] parking, circulation, all those details of an actual project are not before you tonight

[36:33] and why, because we haven't even determined what the uses on site will be, and so that

[36:39] has to first occur. Once that occurs, and that's the next step in my presentation is, the

[36:46] next step is, once the developer knows exactly what uses are acceptable to the council and

[36:51] general conceptual site plan. The developer will put pen to paper, put an actual project

[36:58] proposal for consideration by the city. They'll submit an application to the planning department,

[37:05] and once approved, once the application is deemed complete, staff will go through the process

[37:11] like a normally does for any other project, which is to review the project in comparison to our

[37:16] zoning code and our development standards, height, setbacks, things of that sort, the staff will

[37:22] also do what is required under state law, which is to review the environmental impacts

[37:26] under state law.

[37:28] All that will then occur, and then, after necessary, in which I understand it probably will

[37:33] be, the project will be presented to the planning commission.

[37:36] And at that time, staff will prepare a report, that report will be made available to the public.

[37:42] There will be a public hearing involved and the public will be invited to provide input and participate in that process.

[37:49] My understanding is that there will likely be elements that will require city council approval.

[37:56] And so that project will then be brought to the city council for approval.

[38:00] So I just want to make that clear tonight of tonight we're just approving a looking at the broad bird dive view of what can be placed on site.

[38:08] After that, the developer will take it from there and will be acting as a regulatory agency thereafter.

[38:15] Thank you, Mr. City Attorney.

[38:18] Director Sandor Molina, planning and development services.

[38:22] Thank you, Madam Mayor. Members of the City Council.

[38:26] Is indicated by City Attorney Greta.

[38:28] This is a consideration by the City Council of three concept plans that are submitted by the buyer, Green's Group.

[38:39] The staff is being asked, excuse me,

[38:41] City Council is being asked to consider and recommend

[38:45] approval or approval through concepts.

[38:48] Prior to the staff's presentation,

[38:51] there is a video that we'd like to play.

[39:01] So this

[41:37] discussion that we're having tonight is consistent

[41:39] with our 2030 Vision Statement,

[41:42] and also the priority list that the Council

[41:45] approved for this fiscal year.

[41:50] A little bit more background.

[41:51] The City Council approved on August 13th,

[41:54] the purchase and sell agreement with greener.

[41:57] And pursuant to that agreement,

[41:59] Eskro did open on August 16th.

[42:01] So right now the buyer is going through their due diligence period

[42:04] and part of the purchase and sell agreement

[42:08] require the submittal concept plan.

[42:12] In that purchase and cell agreement, there is section 8.1 that requires a concept plan and also identifies that the cell is in favor of certain uses, such as the office hotel, sit down restaurants, retail uses, the multi-family uses.

[42:30] The agreement also indicated that the seller did not want pawn shops, laundry mats,

[42:40] service stations, gas stations, and convenience stores.

[42:43] And so those were the parameters by which the agreement was approved.

[42:51] The properties are just west of the canal.

[42:58] This is a brick deal, assisted care facility.

[43:01] McDonald's is here on the west and so it's these three parcels that

[43:06] are the subject of discussion and an escrow at this particular time.

[43:11] The three concept plans are proposed and the is indicated by the city attorney

[43:18] The council is only considering the uses.

[43:22] And what this does is, once the council or the seller

[43:25] indicates the uses that are acceptable to the seller,

[43:30] then by proposing all three different concepts,

[43:34] that gives the fire the flexibility to be able to move forward

[43:38] with any of those concepts and expedite the process.

[43:41] The next step again is to go through the entitlement process

[43:44] through the city planning department

[43:46] and go through public hearings to the planning commission.

[43:51] So the agreement required a site plan

[43:54] to show the arrangement of the structures,

[43:56] to show the improvements that would be constructed,

[43:59] to show the parcelization.

[44:01] We anticipate that the site will be resubbed divided.

[44:05] The buyer is also aware that

[44:08] with the development of the site intersection improvements

[44:10] will need to be done on canal.

[44:13] So, in doing that, this property here, this corner, is owned by Brookdale, only referred to as Brookdale property.

[44:21] And when this intersection is improved, there will need to be some right away acquired and widening done to accommodate through access.

[44:32] The city manager has spoken with Brookdale property owners and they are aware of this request and they are open to the process of allowing the improvements and also possibly acquiring in the future of the property.

[44:50] So, concept one, which is in the staff report, this provides the schematic and it shows the office hotel, multi-family, residential, multi-family.

[45:00] This here on the south side adjacent to Brookdale and the residential properties. This shows the incorporation

[45:07] of the Brookdale property, which, although it's not acquired, it's provided and it shows a complete

[45:12] street escape and also how it's integrated. It's proposed or shown here as a possible park or open

[45:19] plaza.

[45:23] And these uses are consistent with the purchase and cell agreement. But because this Brookdale

[45:30] property is not owned by the buyer.

[45:32] It's not controlled by the buyer.

[45:36] The second concept plan is the concept that excludes this

[45:41] park area.

[45:42] And this is the same type of uses, the same layout,

[45:47] brick-toe property should be acquired.

[45:49] It can be easily integrated, integrated to be consistent

[45:54] with concept plan 1 or integrated in some other fashion.

[45:58] concept plan 3, this is, this is where it's a little bit different.

[46:03] Concept 3 is being proposed by the buyer because there is a demand for convenience store

[46:10] in fueling station.

[46:12] And so the buyer has provided this concept that shows those uses.

[46:16] And again, it's proposed because there's an interest, there's by allowing this type of

[46:24] There's an end user that would move forward with this, and this would kick start the project and see it to completion.

[46:35] This proposal still has the office, the hotel, and the multi-family on the south side.

[46:41] It has one drive-through, sit down and restaurant, and then again, in this corner here, this north east corner, it shows the convenience store and fueling stations.

[46:52] There's just two things to keep in mind with this proposal.

[46:56] This proposal is concept.

[46:57] One is that the purchase and sell agreement

[47:00] did indicate that the city did not favor these type of uses.

[47:04] The purchase and sell agreement wasn't so clear or I should say.

[47:09] It wasn't so specific to say that the uses were prohibited.

[47:12] And so it does allow the seller to consider it.

[47:16] It's just not the seller's first choice of uses.

[47:19] The other thing, too, is that in the future,

[47:23] should Brookdale property become acquired by the buyer.

[47:31] It's, it's, we would want to see how this property

[47:33] would integrate with the, with the, with the rest of the center.

[47:37] When you have, excuse me, when you have these restaurant uses,

[47:43] that lend itself to this open area that can then be utilized

[47:46] by the users of these restaurants.

[47:48] with the convenience store, buyer would need to show us how that would integrate because it

[47:52] seems to be a little bit different as far as the integration of the integration of the uses,

[47:57] but we would want to see that. So those are the concept plants. Now there was the video that

[48:03] was shown earlier, but these are just a few pictures that are photographs we wanted to show

[48:08] the council and the audience. These are actually renderings of the entire site, and then this

[48:14] is the retail component hotel of the residential and the office.

[48:22] And so staff is recommending that the city council approve all three concepts and allow

[48:29] the buyer to move forward with the concept that works best to get the project going and

[48:34] see it forward towards completion.

[48:36] And also, the council also, the seller has the option to provide some other direction

[48:41] if it seems that that would be appropriate.

[48:45] And then finally, if the City Council or the Celer does recommend or does approve all three

[48:52] concepts, then we would direct the City Manager to issue a written approval to Greens, which

[48:56] then gives them the green light to move forward.

[48:59] And with that, I conclude my presentation.

[49:01] Thank you.

[49:01] Thank you, Director Milena.

[49:03] Are there questions of staff at this time?

[49:06] Councilmember Allen.

[49:08] How is it that the items that are shown in concept plan 3?

[49:14] How do they expedite or kickstart the project?

[49:19] And is there anything else that could expedite or kickstart why or why not?

[49:25] Thank you.

[49:29] So, Councilmember Allen, I think that that question is best answered by the Greens group

[49:35] because they've been, you know, they have that background information and can better

[49:39] demonstrate that or explain that. But I'll be happy to respond any other questions you may have.

[49:46] That's the only one to have right now. And if you don't want to answer it, that's fine. I can take it later.

[49:53] You don't, you don't, you don't.

[49:54] What did it, it's okay.

[49:57] It's okay.

[49:58] I love all what it is is that there's an interest for that type of use.

[50:04] And if that interest moves forward, then there's a financial component that helps

[50:11] construct the project and do all the infrastructure improvements.

[50:13] And I think the city manager, Mr. Deff, you wanted to.

[50:15] So you also added that. Mr. Deffy?

[50:18] Yes, thank you, Mayor, for the record, G-Hill, Duffy City Manager.

[50:22] And the applicant, the Greenwich Group, can actually answer this question.

[50:25] But often in development projects, what the developer will have to do is they will

[50:31] shop the project and then based upon interest for the project they can then monetize that interest.

[50:38] And so because they've already received significant interest in a certain type of category,

[50:44] they're looking at this and they're saying, okay, so we can spend our appropriate time

[50:50] marketing the project or if we have someone already to give us the financing to be able to

[50:57] push the project forward, it just cuts down time and that's what she's saying is that the interest

[51:02] is there based upon the market and this is all about the market and being able to monetize

[51:07] your contract to you complete building. But Green Group Adam Correll and Angela and Angel

[51:15] Orozco are here from the Green Group and more than welcome that to add anything if you want to

[51:23] on our mobile, City Council staff.

[51:27] Thank you for having us today.

[51:29] So with the whole concept here,

[51:31] we're working on a project over at Vambier

[51:32] and the 2015 freeway right now,

[51:34] and it's a very similar mixed use development.

[51:37] And what we found is,

[51:39] when you have a large project,

[51:42] a lot of people always sit there

[51:43] and say, especially when you're taking it

[51:45] to the market with brokers,

[51:46] what happens is somebody will ask the question,

[51:48] well who's coming? Who's coming?

[51:50] And we had a hard time, we bought that property out in 2014, and lo and behold, we got lucky and in an out came.

[51:58] So once in an out came, we secured Starbucks, we were able to secure Jersey mics, we got another fuel station out there,

[52:06] 76 or okay, and a hemp in it.

[52:10] But it took that initial user to take that first step.

[52:14] Right now, we actually have a user that's interested in that first step, and that's actually the fuel station.

[52:18] So that's what it allows, is it's like who's coming and you can sit there and say if somebody and the fuel station actually does drive traffic that will also help a coffee shop or some type of other user to come in online

[52:28] So that's why we're actually asking council and staff to consider this project

[52:35] Thank you.

[52:36] Councilman Rowan

[52:37] Yeah, I just have one more is so how much do you believe it would expd what's the quantitative value of that

[52:47] It's six months, a year, six weeks.

[52:50] It's all market driven and honestly, it's really hard to say.

[52:53] It just really depends on what the broker is going to secure.

[52:56] The other thing I like to point out too is with that type of density.

[53:00] One other thing we've learned in our mixed use development projects,

[53:04] it's exactly like what the city attorney just stayed a little while ago.

[53:07] It's also better to analyze the project with that type of density

[53:11] because it's always better to have density and not need it,

[53:15] need it and not have it. So we would like to actually analyze it to the maximum extent practical

[53:20] on the site.

[53:21] It was interesting that I noted that the project you're doing, you mentioned on Bambir

[53:26] in 2015,

[53:31] that the entity that kick started, that project was a restaurant. Correct. Correct.

[53:37] Correct. That's a totally understandable answer. In this case, we actually have a user actively

[53:44] interested in pursuing the site. So that's the one thing if you don't have a user, then somebody

[53:49] comes in and says, well, who else you have. And it's like one of those things that can

[53:52] actually become harder to market in the future. So that's why we'd like the city council and

[53:57] staff to consider this option. Thank you. Thank you.

[54:02] Before you sit down, sir. Before you sit down. Are you Mr. Roscoe?

[54:08] I'm sorry.

[54:10] I'm sorry.

[54:10] My name is Adam Corral.

[54:11] I apologize.

[54:12] I'm the VP of Development at Greens.

[54:14] Mr. Corral.

[54:15] Thank you.

[54:16] I don't know if you can answer it this time or if it's even appropriate to ask.

[54:21] But what's the potential value of this project once it's built out?

[54:26] It really depends on the actual mix of uses at the end of the game.

[54:31] It depends on who we secure for the office tenants.

[54:33] It's actually, we're pursuing it as a creative office or even medical office.

[54:39] There's a lot of variables in that, but I couldn't tell you what the actual, at this

[54:43] stage of the game, what the actual value of the project would be at the end.

[54:48] Okay, so you're not, and you're not comfortable with a ballpark, then either?

[54:51] Oh, I'm not number, I'm not number, I'm not number.

[54:54] I'm not number.

[54:54] I'm not number here.

[54:55] He'd probably be able to hold that information.

[54:57] That's okay.

[54:57] I appreciate that.

[54:58] All right.

[54:58] Any other questions of staff or Mr. Correll?

[55:02] All right, thank you so much. I appreciate that. All right, well, open public comment at this time.

[55:11] We have no public comment, madam. All right, close by. I do apologize. I'm so sorry. We have one email that we did receive.

[55:18] I believe you have one comment towards a hearing too.

[55:26] We received an email from Ms. Strongwell who opposes the project and she would prefer something smaller,

[55:35] But she does not like any of the concepts as presented.

[55:39] All right, thank you.

[55:46] Thank you.

[55:50] Mr. Kenneth Cites.

[55:52] Yes.

[55:55] Excuse me.

[55:56] Just a few comments.

[55:59] What is grand terrace need with four gas stations?

[56:07] The convenience store that's proposed is this convenience store going to drive the convenience store out of business that's been a long term resident of grand terrace?

[56:19] How many times is the holiday and express rock and the corner than filled the capacity that we would need a hotel here?

[56:32] Those are my comments.

[56:34] Thank you, Mr. Sipes. I appreciate you being here and I appreciate you speaking. Do we have another request to speak on this item?

[56:41] Please turn that in.

[56:51] Thank you. Miss Linda Barton?

[56:55] Just want in all this planning to take into consideration the housing tract right behind, which is where I live.

[57:07] Read Avenue, it's got, we're right behind the senior complex and right across the street from us.

[57:18] about the hidden gate.

[57:21] Now you're going to take away what little view we have left of anything right there, building

[57:26] where one house away from that field you're going to build in.

[57:30] We've been there 33 years and we've seen a lot of changes and you took away our view of

[57:36] the mountain.

[57:37] Now you're going to take away our view of anything.

[57:40] We're going to have what a three-story apartment complex right at the end of our street.

[57:46] I don't think any of you on that board or on that council would want that right outside your house.

[57:56] And I think you really ought to take that into consideration.

[57:59] Everybody in that little street we live on.

[58:02] It's about a three block area.

[58:04] Have been there long term.

[58:05] I'm surprised more of them are not here.

[58:10] But, you know, consider everything.

[58:12] Consider the people that have been there long term.

[58:14] Ben and Grant Harris when it was still a little pokey-nothing town and that's why we moved here and

[58:22] Please don't block what little view we have left. Don't put an apartment complex right at the end of our street

[58:30] just

[58:32] You know

[58:33] Think about the little people

[58:36] Thank you Miss Bartman. I appreciate you being here and I appreciate your comments and I see another request to speak for

[58:48] Miss Cindy Whitney

[58:59] Hi, guys. I'm back.

[59:03] I want to thank you for your support in your service. I want to thank

[59:07] the mayor for supporting our neighborhood. I saw you out there walking the project with

[59:11] your husband and considering our concerns. I'm sure you all remember a lot of the concerns

[59:19] that we had while State or Brothers was proposing their project and who was the other guy,

[59:25] Johnson or somebody.

[59:29] Our neighborhood has suffered some problems with kids hanging out, drugs, whatever is going

[59:40] on back there, littering, over there by the wall.

[59:46] And as you know, our neighborhood is very close to that wall.

[59:49] One of the things we fought for was to have a sit back so that we wouldn't have to be

[59:54] close to the project. One of the good things that happened was that it was a driveway put.

[1:00:00] Between the, um, the state of brothers in our neighborhood, however the project that that's being proposed is like five stories high and like to back to our, our neighborhood.

[1:00:12] One of the rights that we have is quite enjoyment.

[1:00:16] I fought for that, uh, when the state of, uh, the state of brothers project was going in and exactly what happened.

[1:00:24] We have deliveries of 5.30 in the morning, 4.30 in the morning.

[1:00:28] They wake me up.

[1:00:31] It's consistent.

[1:00:33] The mayor has helped me out with that.

[1:00:34] I've had some delay.

[1:00:38] But it happens again and again.

[1:00:43] Over building that site is not conducive to our little neighborhood.

[1:00:48] What we really talked about was the 20 years ago was

[1:00:53] A river walk setting,

[1:00:59] something we as a neighborhood could enjoy, and I'm not going to enjoy people in a hotel looking down into my backyard.

[1:01:09] I'm not going to enjoy, I don't know what kind of multifamily, I guess it could be anything, it could be retirement, it could be section five, it could be apartments.

[1:01:20] And all of that makes a huge difference.

[1:01:24] I'm not against developing.

[1:01:26] I'm not.

[1:01:27] I'd never have been.

[1:01:29] But I would like you to be responsible and take care of us.

[1:01:35] And also take care of your promise to our neighborhood before.

[1:01:39] The project was supposed to have a development of a shrubbery

[1:01:43] and greenery on our side.

[1:01:45] And that's all gone to the wayside.

[1:01:48] Thank you.

[1:01:48] Ms. Bidney. I appreciate you being here tonight. One more.

[1:01:57] Thank you. Jay Bartman.

[1:02:06] Well, my name is Jay Bartman. I live at 12 to 20 read Avenue. And I've been there 33 years.

[1:02:16] And we have some concerns. We when the hidden gate facility was put in across the street from us.

[1:02:23] We were told, though, yeah, there's going to be a wall, so you can't see into their homes,

[1:02:30] they can't see any of yours.

[1:02:33] Well, those lots were raised up so high.

[1:02:38] There's a wall there, but the wall doesn't keep us from looking into their house or their

[1:02:45] them looking in ours.

[1:02:46] We had concerns about the traffic lighting, you know, when they come down their street, they're

[1:02:52] to shine their lights into our house.

[1:02:55] We were told they'd put a solid barrier, they did not, they put the solid barrier on the

[1:03:02] debris side.

[1:03:05] So now we have their lights coming into our house.

[1:03:09] When the State of Brothers facility was put in, we had concerns, we came here, we had

[1:03:22] In our backyards, this new facility is only going to add to that, no matter how it's addressed.

[1:03:33] You're going to add people with lights, it's going to be bright.

[1:03:38] Another concern is we don't want read Avenue going through.

[1:03:41] We don't want the traffic.

[1:03:43] We don't want foot traffic.

[1:03:46] If there's even a walk through gate, we will be inundated with shopping cards.

[1:03:53] We don't want that.

[1:03:58] I am sorry to report that we have had trouble on our street with vandalism.

[1:04:05] My armail box has been destroyed three times this year.

[1:04:12] I reported it once to the police,

[1:04:17] my neighbor, same story, and on down the street.

[1:04:22] You can talk to the other residents and they've had the same problems.

[1:04:25] I

[1:04:28] used to be on the skater side

[1:04:36] through a trash in our house, you know, in the

[1:04:38] front yard, in the street.

[1:04:45] I hope that you address these issues that we have, and we really don't want to

[1:04:50] see five story buildings, four story buildings, three story buildings,

[1:04:55] we really just don't want to see that.

[1:05:00] Thank you.

[1:05:01] Thank you, Mr. Bartman.

[1:05:02] I appreciate you being here tonight.

[1:05:13] Curtis Holt?

[1:05:19] Hi.

[1:05:20] Good evening.

[1:05:20] I live at 12209 Pascal, which is on the corner of Pascal and the pay right behind the

[1:05:26] state of brothers as well.

[1:05:28] The area on read has been a problem.

[1:05:32] We have people parking back there, loot acts, drugs.

[1:05:38] We have a hard time policing that, and we have a hard time getting to police out there.

[1:05:44] So this is one thing that I think should be taken into consideration as well, with another

[1:05:49] multi-family housing project that's going to be able to climb over the wall as people are

[1:05:55] doing now, I think this is going to increase. So I hope that you guys take into serious

[1:06:01] consideration the police force that we have in this city and plan to make moves to give us

[1:06:08] a little more protection in that area. I just don't want to see it get anywhere. So I've only

[1:06:18] people off of Lepay and I'm probably getting a reputation for that already, but we just don't

[1:06:25] need any more problems in that area, so please take all that into consideration.

[1:06:30] Thank you, Mr. Holt. I appreciate you being here tonight.

[1:06:33] With that, I will close public comment.

[1:06:46] Okay, how many more do we have?

[1:06:50] You have one in your hand.

[1:06:56] Terrorist Ascenia.

[1:07:09] Hi, my name is Terrace Ascenia. I live at 22540.

[1:07:12] Brett was street and grand terrace, muscle planning commissioner, so for full disclosure.

[1:07:20] I understand everybody's complaints and issues, but I also understand that.

[1:07:25] May we take that two-minute break?

[1:07:27] Sure, we're in recess for two minutes.

[1:07:54] I'm sorry.

[1:07:54] We will reconvene our regular meeting and terrace as in yet.

[1:07:58] And I've been informed that my position as a planning commissioner omits my being able to make a private citizen comment.

[1:08:05] So I'm going to re-trap my paper. Thank you.

[1:08:10] Because this will come before you later on.

[1:08:12] Yes. Thank you for being here tonight.

[1:08:15] All right.

[1:08:16] Madam Mayor, if I may just declare a fight.

[1:08:17] Mr. City Attorney.

[1:08:18] Thank you.

[1:08:20] So what I just advise is that she's welcome to speak as a member of the public.

[1:08:24] But if she does potentially that may affect her ability to participate in the decision when it does go before the panic commission.

[1:08:33] So it's her decision, but I just wanted to make her aware of that.

[1:08:36] All right.

[1:08:37] I appreciate the decision that you made.

[1:08:43] And just to be clear for the record, that applies whether she's in support of the project,

[1:08:47] against the project, whatever her thoughts are.

[1:08:49] Just want to make that clear.

[1:08:51] OK.

[1:08:51] I know I rushed you and writing your name.

[1:08:55] Angela Wagner.

[1:08:56] Thank you.

[1:08:58] I thought about that as I wrote it down.

[1:09:00] I'm not sure if nobody's going to be able to read this.

[1:09:02] We love it.

[1:09:03] 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 2, 3, we lived here 18 years,

[1:09:14] and I may know that there's the new subdivision

[1:09:17] that's over in high-grow. They probably could use it, but, I mean, it's not really necessary.

[1:09:25] But my husband and I would love to have a restaurant where he can go and sit and have a drink

[1:09:28] and food at the same time. We don't have that. We have one sit down restaurant. So I'm excited

[1:09:37] about that. So I like the first two, if you guys can possibly not do the gas station in the

[1:09:44] convenience store, that would be, that's why I wanted to put it. Thank you.

[1:09:48] Thank you, Ms. Wagner. I appreciate you being here tonight. Okay, is that the last one?

[1:09:53] As far as I'm aware. All right, I'm going to close public comment and bring it back to council

[1:09:57] for their comments and consideration of emotion.

[1:10:04] I have some comments, I have like to make about this project.

[1:10:21] I like the concept plans, the three of them that were presented, I like this whole idea

[1:10:29] of this development, this makes use to development.

[1:10:34] If I had my preference, I like the concept plan one with the outdoor

[1:10:42] area that little, you know, sliver of land that's right by the entrance road.

[1:10:51] I think that's concept plan number one.

[1:11:02] Are there any...

[1:11:03] Council member Allen.

[1:11:04] I think the concept number two is similar to that, but it is taking into consideration that they may not have control of that piece of land there.

[1:11:12] Yeah, that's correct.

[1:11:14] I'm aware of that.

[1:11:15] And that's why I prefer number one, and I'll tell you.

[1:11:18] But the thing I envision with that piece of land right there and the reason I like it so

[1:11:23] much is I really enjoy going over to Redlands to that I think it's called Mountain Plaza near

[1:11:30] the Arkansas Theatre and they have that outdoor area where the families can come together

[1:11:36] and there are several restaurants and they even have live performances on weekends, live

[1:11:40] bands come there and I envision that's sort of a venue that's sort of an idea.

[1:11:45] I mean, we have a specific plan in this plan.

[1:11:48] We said we want more pedestrian, friendly,

[1:11:50] Barton Road, and I strongly believe the concept plan number one

[1:11:55] will help bring that vision to reality.

[1:12:02] And whenever our city was founded in 1978, folks

[1:12:10] when they selected a name, they didn't say, well,

[1:12:15] And nobody said, hey, nobody stood up and said, hey, let's just call this every day ordinary, just like all the other terraces terrace.

[1:12:24] You know, that's not us.

[1:12:27] You know, we are our founding residents, those who started this beautiful city.

[1:12:32] They had a vision and our city staff has worked hard towards that vision and elected leaders.

[1:12:40] And they had, they knew they had something extraordinary up here on this hill on this terrace,

[1:12:46] and that's why they named it Grand Terrace.

[1:12:50] And so I'd like to challenge us to be bold in this development.

[1:12:55] I don't want to just see Canal Crossing, I'd like to see Grand Canal Crossing.

[1:13:02] Right?

[1:13:05] So let's give this in.

[1:13:07] to work.

[1:13:10] Thank you, Councilmember Allen, further comments.

[1:13:13] Councilmember Hussie.

[1:13:17] First of all, I'd like to thank everybody who came out here in spoke.

[1:13:21] We all care about our community. We all move here for a reason because it has a mayberry

[1:13:27] town fill. And I'm talking about mailboxes, crime, you know, you may effects my

[1:13:35] street and I live off the beaten path, but my streets use as a throw through and a lot of

[1:13:39] council member. So we live here, we understand. You know, I end up building mailboxes for all

[1:13:45] my neighbors because they're getting vandalized and you know, car windows smashed. So we are

[1:13:50] not immune from the crime. Crime is going to continue happen. We have the shares and they're doing

[1:13:56] the best of their ability. And I like to have a share of each block, but we can't. And then we hear

[1:14:01] about the developments. As I've done in council, one of the things I always heard from business

[1:14:06] owners is just places and user friendly the city for business. We can't get any development

[1:14:12] going here, we can't do this, we can't do that. I believe I heard that a load was proved

[1:14:20] that one time and then it got turned away from the city. So there's been a lot of what

[1:14:26] is, what's coming in. I don't even tell my wife what's coming in because until we do the

[1:14:30] really cutting ceremony because people have seen

[1:14:32] some of them in the council back out all the time.

[1:14:35] And we think about the residents and what they need

[1:14:41] and we're concerned about them.

[1:14:43] And then again, I got to think about the residents

[1:14:46] what they need to concern about them.

[1:14:48] And that's one of the things being on the council,

[1:14:51] you don't realize the cost of everything.

[1:14:54] Our biggest cost is to have our law enforcement

[1:14:57] to maintain the safety of our city.

[1:15:00] And one of the things that we look at is development, city manager, she's been given a march in order to find his development, so we can maintain the city cost and maintain the may be very atmosphere.

[1:15:11] Unfortunately, growth does happen, and sometimes happens in our backyard and doesn't, you know, we might not like it.

[1:15:21] And, you know, the city council, we try to work things wrong, I think it's a nice development.

[1:15:24] do we need four gas stations? I don't know. I know one gas station I try to get in

[1:15:29] and second possible sometimes to get in there. But we do need a development and it's

[1:15:34] been a dirt lot for a long time and what's coming in our city is grown. We're getting

[1:15:39] a lot of traffic from high grow. They'll shop here. We do have one sit-down

[1:15:46] restaurant that does serve alcohol, so just to put that in perspective. But I'm just saying

[1:15:56] we have to think about the concepts. I liked all the concepts like Mr. Allen. I do prefer

[1:16:01] a concept one with the plaza. It's nice because I've been to the area and you can see nice

[1:16:07] family get together and that's what the city is about family and get together and maintaining

[1:16:12] in our little areas so we can shop and be, you know, so we don't have to go outside of

[1:16:17] other communities and shop.

[1:16:18] We have heard about people that wanted to stay in hotels and staying grand chairs because

[1:16:22] they feel safe.

[1:16:24] The students that go along the window, their families that want to stay in grand chairs.

[1:16:27] We have things in our high school where they have the robotics competition and nobody

[1:16:31] had places to stay.

[1:16:34] The multi-family residential, you know, in the states, has cities and they want to develop

[1:16:39] multiple family residential area because we all know the properties expensive here.

[1:16:44] So we have to look at their needs to the young family starting out.

[1:16:50] So, you know, I approve all three concerts, but I really like concert one, but I'll leave

[1:16:55] that up to developers so that's all I have there.

[1:16:58] Thank you.

[1:16:59] Bear for 10.

[1:16:59] You're coming?

[1:17:00] Thank you.

[1:17:02] I have a requesting clarification from staff.

[1:17:08] That I guess the exit or whatever it is, near the multifamily residential unit, is that not a fire exit only?

[1:17:21] It says the best I can tell with our little deal here.

[1:17:25] It says it's sliding, that doesn't tell me anything.

[1:17:31] Mayor Paul Tim Wilson, are you on the slide here and referring down in this area?

[1:17:35] Yeah, well, because I left of it.

[1:17:38] Right there.

[1:17:41] This may be, is that also, yes, it's a fire accent.

[1:17:45] That's what I thought.

[1:17:46] So, it's only set up for emergency fire regress.

[1:17:50] It's not set up for, you know, regar every day traffic, correct?

[1:17:55] It's just so the neighborhood knows that.

[1:17:57] All right.

[1:17:57] So, the intention is not to, you know, you get a freebie in between the multi-family residential and your houses.

[1:18:04] That is.

[1:18:05] I think Director Molina has more to say on it.

[1:18:08] Just for clarity, may or per ten.

[1:18:11] So this, and yes, we're not talking about slight development,

[1:18:15] but because question was asked, this residential multi-family,

[1:18:20] the residents of this have access through the center

[1:18:23] and through this back.

[1:18:25] But this commercial traffic has no access to the residential.

[1:18:29] And I think that's where you're going with that.

[1:18:32] That's where we go.

[1:18:33] Thank you.

[1:18:36] Okay. The further discussion of all of this will be at the Planning Commission, if we decide to move forward with this.

[1:18:44] And so I hear questions from the audience, but we've gone past the public comment period, and we're really just looking at the concepts and what we like here tonight.

[1:18:54] So Mayor Protem to do you have more questions about the comments or more comments about the concepts, which ones that you like in particular or do not like?

[1:19:02] No, it's just an issue that had been raised by one of the neighbors and I just thought it'd be interesting to understand what the intent the concept was.

[1:19:12] Okay, thank you. Mr. Adam Correll, you had a comment that you wanted to make?

[1:19:24] We at Green's, we pride ourselves on finding the win-win for not just between the city and for the developer, but also with the members of the community.

[1:19:32] I am happy to meet with anybody after this hearing and just talk about the projects, talk about their concerns, and try to figure out how we can live harmoniously.

[1:19:45] We were very conscientious about putting a residential development, a adjacent to the residential development, to create that buffer between the retail pieces and what the members of the community would be predominantly concerned about.

[1:19:58] because I believe that RFP originally had it

[1:20:00] to where that was going to be a commercial use.

[1:20:02] But we were actually the one saying,

[1:20:04] that doesn't make sense because of the community.

[1:20:06] So that was one of the things that I wanted to point out to everybody

[1:20:08] that we are trying our best to try to accommodate the community

[1:20:11] as well as the sitting needs,

[1:20:13] along with having a successful development.

[1:20:15] And I also got an answer for you

[1:20:17] that development would be about 50 million.

[1:20:19] That asset.

[1:20:21] And one other thing I'd like to add is we still

[1:20:24] would like to move forward with option three,

[1:20:27] only because like I said, it's like I want to analyze that density, everything else so if we could

[1:20:32] also still consider that, I greatly appreciate it because like I said, we are trying to create that

[1:20:36] buffer and you know, I think that everybody likes to have choice as far as like what they

[1:20:41] where they want to fill up. So thank you. Thank you, Mr. Kuro.

[1:20:46] Further discussion from the council? Council member Allen.

[1:20:49] Well, I don't think that the question for me is not about whether or not grandparents can support another gas station.

[1:21:02] I just would like to, if we do, I would rather see it in a different location.

[1:21:06] closer down to, you know, somewhere between Michigan and the freeway and or on the other

[1:21:14] side, you know, and not in that particular development.

[1:21:19] So I believe that over time, in the future, the traffic is going to be there that can support

[1:21:26] another fuel extension.

[1:21:28] But I prefer in this development what I see in concept plan number one.

[1:21:33] Okay, so you're saying you would like to only consider concept one?

[1:21:42] No, I'm not saying that I would only consider concept plan number one.

[1:21:48] But I'm saying that my strongly prefer concept plan number one.

[1:21:54] It's my preference.

[1:21:57] I just see, I know we're trying to create an area that's pedestrian-friendly, walkable, enjoyable in the evenings.

[1:22:04] And I just think that that plan can help us achieve that vision.

[1:22:22] I think all of the concepts have been well thought out at least for a concept.

[1:22:27] And I do like that our proposals have really taken to heart what we said and then wanting to create a buffer between the residential and the commercial.

[1:22:40] I do like concept plan one the best.

[1:22:43] I understand concept plan two is very similar,

[1:22:48] but you don't have control of the Brookdale property,

[1:22:51] although if concept plan one and two were considered,

[1:22:57] I would hope that there would still be the idea

[1:23:01] that when there's an opportunity to purchase

[1:23:05] and control that land that that might be developed.

[1:23:08] But I think that that would add to the charm of the center.

[1:23:11] Having said that comes up three, I understand that

[1:23:15] it's not as desirable as the others.

[1:23:22] But if you have that use and you're able to market it better,

[1:23:25] that does make it something for the...

[1:23:29] for the actual ability to create the whole center.

[1:23:34] And it does make it important to be able to market it that way.

[1:23:38] So I mean, I could see I could see a green to all three and saying, you know, you're going to go through a lot to get through the planning commission.

[1:23:47] You're going to go through a lot when you when you speak to the residents and get their considerations.

[1:23:52] And I imagine that there's probably going to be some change by the time you get this finished.

[1:23:58] So I could support moving forward with all three concepts.

[1:24:02] Mayor.

[1:24:03] I

[1:24:08] would like to know if anybody could say with any sort of authority how if concept plan number

[1:24:18] three were approved or were the one that was made went through with how what effect does

[1:24:27] this business, this convenience store gas station have on those other businesses who are

[1:24:36] talking dog by those paths, is whoever's first, does that influence whoever comes afterwards?

[1:24:46] Because my question, you know what I'm saying?

[1:24:47] It's an interesting, okay.

[1:24:49] Mr. Deffy, can you comment on that?

[1:24:53] Because I'd like to have some high quality grand businesses in this development, you know,

[1:24:59] some really, you know, good stuff.

[1:25:04] Yes, and if I understand the question, you're looking for, I mean, there are no guarantees in terms of development.

[1:25:16] But where I can tell you, based on my experience and based on my conversations with the Greens group,

[1:25:22] the strategy in which you're using is to have that first user and then bring in after going, after going to several

[1:25:29] a convention, shopping center, conventions, it's always important to have, you know, that one

[1:25:36] care for the other developers. And it's, you know, we were at the conference the other

[1:25:42] day and we saw that happening tonight is once you get the one person to step out there. And

[1:25:52] this is the one business to say this center is a good center. And if it's a national brand,

[1:25:58] Then you have them follow. If you ever go to a shopping center, if you go to a Walmart, when I was doing development and other cities, I mean people didn't like Walmart, but I said, you have to look beyond that. When you go to Walmart, there's always feeder stores around around them.

[1:26:18] So if you go to right now, what I see when I go to Corona, I see a state of brothers, an auto zone, I see a Miguel's, and then I see what I'm hoping, I just referenced what's happening here,

[1:26:33] then I see Chipotle and Carl's Junior's and other places around those centers.

[1:26:38] And so what you have here is that when you get a national brand, and whoever that national brand is, they've got a model that says,

[1:26:47] these customers congregate in this particular area.

[1:26:52] And so depending on who the national brand is, you're going to have that synergy developed

[1:27:01] there.

[1:27:04] Yeah, but what kind of business would, I mean, does the first business end influence the

[1:27:13] the rest of the businesses that come in.

[1:27:15] I mean, you understand what I'm saying.

[1:27:17] I mean, does it,

[1:27:20] it's about, there's no guarantee of what it's really about relationships

[1:27:27] and it's about the business model.

[1:27:31] I can tell you, based on the tax revenue, every business type and what the value is going

[1:27:39] to be.

[1:27:40] That same model is run by the Greens Group.

[1:27:42] They have a relationship with he just told you that his first deal in Riverside was in an

[1:27:51] outburger and so part of this whole process for me was this project I was marketing this

[1:27:59] project three years ago going from shop to shop to shop to shop and then I got smart and

[1:28:06] said wait a minute the really get a developer to do because they've got the relationships

[1:28:10] And so, what you'll see happen is that once you get the national chain in, then you'll get the others to follow.

[1:28:21] Okay, so I'm thinking about the newest developments around us.

[1:28:25] I'm going to think about the ones in redlands, you know, like over there where the sprouts is.

[1:28:29] There's not a gas station there.

[1:28:30] And I'm going to think about, there's a...

[1:28:33] Let's see.

[1:28:34] No, and there's not a gas station at that.

[1:28:36] I don't, you know.

[1:28:40] And that's because, you know, in Reglins, they do have that density.

[1:28:44] And one of the things that people will need to understand about grand terrace in terms of the development.

[1:28:49] People see grand terrace as 12,000 population, there's three square miles.

[1:28:56] And so we have a retail capacity of about $65 million in a one mile radius.

[1:29:02] But that number jumps to $250 million when you go to three mile radius.

[1:29:07] The number jumps to at a five-mile radius.

[1:29:09] That number jumps to $1.6 billion.

[1:29:13] And if you look at around us, how many shoppers

[1:29:17] that we have right now in this general area?

[1:29:20] That shop in the nearest biggest section of shopping

[1:29:25] centers is San Bernardino.

[1:29:28] And most of the residents in grand terrace, high-grove,

[1:29:32] Loma Lenda will not cross the two-tim freeway

[1:29:35] to go over there.

[1:29:36] So they're going much further away.

[1:29:39] And so we have a retail sales leakage that shows that we have this five-mile capacity,

[1:29:45] where Barton Road could be the center of commerce for the area.

[1:29:50] And so by this center, it should be the catalyst to do and just that.

[1:29:55] So the first one at is going to make it, is going to make it a really big...

[1:30:00] Real big impact.

[1:30:03] I think what Councilmember Allen is saying is if the first one in is a gas station, does that mean that the rest that follow aren't as big a name, as they might be if you started with something other than a gas station?

[1:30:19] Well, I think what you really have, it's a very good question, but

[1:30:27] the Greens group and any developer that is going to look at grand terrace, they're looking at the first thing is they're looking at the median household income.

[1:30:39] So people want to go trade or Joe's, trade or Joe's will not come to grand terrace because trade or Joe's needs, 105, 100,000 dollars median income.

[1:30:49] Although ours is good at 69,000, they will not come into the area that you have a really dense population.

[1:30:57] And so, I've talked to multiple developers.

[1:31:02] If the first one's fuel, what you're going to have there is this.

[1:31:06] Fuel isn't the caveat, but the driving factors of cars coming in is going to increase.

[1:31:14] So fuel becomes the destination point,

[1:31:17] But then you have all these other amenities and that's what happens.

[1:31:21] So, you know, if you had a trader Joe's come in, that would be great.

[1:31:25] Then you would get lots of other activity around it.

[1:31:28] You have a fuel station come in.

[1:31:29] And it's not because of the fuel, it's because of the traffic that's driving into the fuel station.

[1:31:33] And that's going to generate the other restaurants and the fast food places and so on and so on.

[1:31:39] And so the developers can tell you more about this.

[1:31:41] But my experience has been, is that they've got a model that they've built in.

[1:31:48] And it's so very important to have a successful developer who has a list of clients that

[1:31:56] they've worked for, that they're going to be able to build a good development, have a reputation,

[1:32:02] and they're going to be able to offer quality product.

[1:32:04] And that's really what this is about.

[1:32:06] And what they're saying is that based upon fuel, they can take a contract from fuel and be able to jump start the project.

[1:32:18] That's the overall bill.

[1:32:21] But I do want to say this to the Council.

[1:32:25] Either the Councils may know the comments what their preferences are.

[1:32:30] And so while the Greens' group would have the flexibility to look at fuel, I think the Greens' group is wise enough to understand what the Council has said here today.

[1:32:50] Thank you, Mr. Duffy.

[1:32:52] Council Member Hezzy.

[1:32:54] It's one more quick comment for the residents.

[1:32:57] Like the mayor, so this is a concept as a beginning of the plans.

[1:33:02] And get involved, get involved with playing commission meetings, get involved with your voice.

[1:33:06] You know, I was part of the residents that helped with the high school and stuff.

[1:33:10] I feel that.

[1:33:11] So your voice matters.

[1:33:13] The Greens group, they said they'll work with the residents.

[1:33:15] So you don't get involved.

[1:33:16] Tell about your concerns with the Reed Street.

[1:33:18] You know, ask if about the multi-family that they could not put windows on one side.

[1:33:22] So that's up to you.

[1:33:23] You guys get involved with playing commission.

[1:33:25] So it gets back to us.

[1:33:26] But, you know, let your voice be heard on that.

[1:33:28] If the mayor said this concept were the beginning stage of the plan, so that's all I have to say there, thank you.

[1:33:37] All right, how would you like to move forward with this item then?

[1:33:41] Madam Mayor, I make a recommendation to approve the concept plans.

[1:33:45] I was by the Greens group for development of 2217, 22293 and 22273 Barton Road,

[1:33:54] subject to an accordance with the executed agreement from the person's sale of real

[1:33:57] poverty, and join us through instructions between the city, rent tariffs, and the Greens

[1:34:02] group, or provide other directions regarding the proposed concept plans, and direct city

[1:34:08] managers who are approving those of the select and concept plans to the Greens group.

[1:34:12] Second.

[1:34:15] All right, so you're motioning for any of the three concepts?

[1:34:18] All three.

[1:34:20] Okay.

[1:34:20] And, okay, so motion by Councilmember Allen, second by Mayor Pro Tem Wilson, please vote.

[1:34:28] Motion passes with Councilmember's Allen and has he voting yes, Mayor Pro Tem Wilson voting yes, and Mayor McNobo voting yes.

[1:34:35] All right, thank you all for your discussion.

[1:34:37] Thank you to all of you who came out tonight.

[1:34:39] You know who the developers are.

[1:34:41] They promised to work with the neighbors, and I will take them at their word that they will do that.

[1:34:46] Thank you very much.

[1:34:48] We're going to item nine, which is a award of contract for signal modification.

[1:34:53] Project at Preston Street in Barton Road in an amount not to exceed $82,000.

[1:35:01] Mr. City Attorney, I believe we looked at this particular project once before, and I am beyond 500 feet.

[1:35:10] Shall I stay? Or shall I go?

[1:35:15] I think we, we determined you could stay.

[1:35:19] All right.

[1:35:19] If I recall.

[1:35:20] Okay.

[1:35:21] For the record, I live on Preston Street just beyond 500 feet from this particular project.

[1:35:26] All right.

[1:35:28] So we have before us Public Works Director, Alan French.

[1:35:33] Thank you, Madam Mayor.

[1:35:34] Good evening.

[1:35:35] Council members, here to present this item of the contract for the signal modification for

[1:35:41] question in Martin Road.

[1:35:44] Decide of support staff, I'm sorry, the staff item of support school is 2030 gold number

[1:35:50] two to maintain public safety by investing in critical improvements to the infrastructure

[1:35:56] and it's on the department's priority project list.

[1:36:03] This project is to upgrade the traffic signal at Preston and Martin with a five-head left

[1:36:09] The current signal indicator that will be added to increase the safety for the turning

[1:36:15] movements.

[1:36:17] In the slide, that's a replica of a five-head indicator.

[1:36:24] This will be installed on Barton Road section for the left turn on depressed.

[1:36:31] The project also replaces the controller that was damaged earlier this year, with an

[1:36:40] accident that happened at the intersection.

[1:36:48] Funding for the project will come from the Spring Mountain Ranch mitigation fund balance

[1:36:54] and also the reimbursement that we received from the accident to replace the controller cabinet

[1:37:00] on Preston.

[1:37:02] The traffic study for the Spring Mountain Ranch Project determined that about 5% of traffic

[1:37:08] would be going through that intersection, so we would utilize approximately 5% of the

[1:37:16] fund balance from that mitigation to pay for the project, as well as the reimbursement

[1:37:24] that we received from the traffic accident.

[1:37:27] The project and you can see there's a slide of the accident and then in the lower right-hand corner is the existing signal at pressed and you can see there is no left turn indicators on the signal today.

[1:37:44] The project was reviewed and supported by two traffic consultants that reviewed the site and both recommended to upgrade the subgrade for the signal that it would be the best solution at this time.

[1:38:01] As concluding, staff is recommending the Council authorizes the City Manager to execute the agreement with TSR for 82,000 for the signal modification at Preston Barton.

[1:38:15] Should the Council have any questions at this time, I'm here to am happy to answer any questions and Gabriel Sepuritan from TSR is also here.

[1:38:25] Thank you.

[1:38:27] Thank you, director French, questions of staff at this time.

[1:38:32] Councilmember Allen.

[1:38:34] Thank you, director French for your report.

[1:38:37] Is that a dedicated light turnling in both, on from Barton, both directions on Preston?

[1:38:43] Yes, Councilman, it sure is a deputy.

[1:38:48] Mayor Pro Tem Wilson.

[1:38:49] Mr. French, is this going to be the solution to the long-term

[1:38:53] to difficulties that everybody's experienced

[1:38:56] with the timing on this lovely stop, too.

[1:39:01] Councilman, there was timing issue after the accident

[1:39:05] for a long period of time,

[1:39:07] where it was on time to phase, facing,

[1:39:10] where it only went, a certain time,

[1:39:12] and then it would change.

[1:39:13] That has since been changed to the indicator,

[1:39:17] so that that should have corrected the issue,

[1:39:19] and this wouldn't affect that.

[1:39:23] Director French, there was a timing issue before the accident.

[1:39:27] I don't believe that anybody ever looked at that intersection.

[1:39:30] I believe that led to a lot of people running that intersection light,

[1:39:34] even if it was red, especially people coming from both sides of Preston,

[1:39:39] because they felt that they had a very long time to wait when there was no traffic coming on Barton Road.

[1:39:45] I'm also hoping there's an opportunity for you to make sure that this is looked at periodically

[1:39:51] for timing issues and that if there is a left turn that certain times of the day it doesn't

[1:39:59] engage so that people are able to make a left turn without having to have the arrow or not

[1:40:06] have to wait for it when there isn't anybody that needs to turn.

[1:40:13] Are you able to do that?

[1:40:17] Yes.

[1:40:19] The five-point signal head.

[1:40:24] Okay, so can you tell me about the cost of this?

[1:40:26] Why is it $82,000?

[1:40:30] Okay,

[1:40:33] the signal modification for the left turn in addition to the control

[1:40:40] All are cabinet, all combined is the cost of the 82,000.

[1:40:46] So there's two components to the project, and it involves, there's rewiring in the signal

[1:40:54] that's needed for the left turn, especially because it isn't there now.

[1:41:00] So that's a major part of the cost to get the wiring in and the controller cabinet to be installed

[1:41:06] with the equipment inside the cabinet as well.

[1:41:08] That's not just the cabinet itself.

[1:41:13] OK, thank you.

[1:41:14] Further questions?

[1:41:16] Right.

[1:41:17] Are there any requests to speak on this item?

[1:41:18] No, Madam Mayor.

[1:41:19] All right.

[1:41:20] Close public comment, bring it back to Council

[1:41:21] for consideration of emotion.

[1:41:25] I'd like to make a motion that we award

[1:41:27] a construction contract to TSR construction,

[1:41:29] and especially for traffic.

[1:41:31] Signal modification project

[1:41:33] to press and street in part and road,

[1:41:34] and amount not to exceed it.

[1:41:35] You do grant and appropriate funding

[1:41:38] for project from Spring Mountain Ranch,

[1:41:40] fund and insurance, settlement is listed below, and authorize city managed to execute contract

[1:41:45] 72, city attorney approval, last two form.

[1:41:50] Motion by Mayor Pro Tem Wilson, second by Council Member Hussie.

[1:41:55] Please vote.

[1:41:57] Motion passes with Council Members Allen and Hussie voting yes.

[1:42:00] Mayor Pro Tem Wilson voting yes.

[1:42:02] And Mayor Mack no vote voting yes.

[1:42:06] All right.

[1:42:06] Item 10 is a discussion and direction regarding regulation of 24 hour uses.

[1:42:11] operations, businesses in Grand Terrace, director, Sandra Molina.

[1:42:21] Thank you, Madam Mayor. Members of the City Council.

[1:42:24] It's indicated by the mayor. This is a discussion item.

[1:42:27] This item is consistent with our 2030 vision statement.

[1:42:32] I'll go ahead and move forward with the rest of the presentation.

[1:42:34] So to get some background,

[1:42:40] city staff took a discussion to our city, excuse me, to our planning

[1:42:42] commission and back on September 5th.

[1:42:46] And the reason why we, to discuss 24-hour operations and whether uses particularly entertainment

[1:42:53] type uses, restaurants, bars, and those type of uses, whether, if they're proposed to be 24-hours,

[1:43:02] whether they should be subject to administrative conditionally, use permit, or excuse me,

[1:43:05] or some other permit, or not regulated at all with regard to their operating hours.

[1:43:11] This came about because staff does have a request for 25-hour uses.

[1:43:19] One is in a proposed new business.

[1:43:21] It's like a cafe-t house.

[1:43:24] The business owner that's proposing that is also the owner Cosromen.

[1:43:27] Cosromen recently went to 24 hours.

[1:43:30] And so we found that our zoning code and specific plan,

[1:43:36] Martin wrote specific plan, our silent on 24-hour uses.

[1:43:39] Now the basis, the restaurant use, those are addressed

[1:43:42] and those are permissible but operational aspects

[1:43:47] aren't really addressed.

[1:43:49] And the type of operational aspects

[1:43:50] that can sometimes come about on a 24-hour use

[1:43:53] might be noise or litter or lighting or security needs.

[1:43:56] And so because of those aspects of the operation of 24-hour uses,

[1:44:04] we did take the discussion to planning commission.

[1:44:06] And we asked the planning commission to look at or consider the three items

[1:44:10] up on the slide here.

[1:44:11] One is to, first of course, to consider the item,

[1:44:16] but to either recommend that 24-hour uses,

[1:44:19] so it has restaurants, bars, fast food, other entertainment uses,

[1:44:23] are submitted to a conditional use permit,

[1:44:24] and then direct staff for that recommendation to the city council.

[1:44:29] They could also find that, or recommend that,

[1:44:32] 24 are uses don't require a conditionally,

[1:44:34] and we would again direct that to the council.

[1:44:36] And then ultimately the other option was for the planning commission

[1:44:39] to say, you know, this is a big broad policy issue,

[1:44:42] direct to the council first.

[1:44:46] The planning commission, in having this discussion

[1:44:49] and taking public comment,

[1:44:52] It's

[1:44:55] on the slides not working, um, they-

[1:45:02] Had the residents expressed concern about 24-hour uses with regard to littering and possibly traffic, but also the business owner of

[1:45:11] Kazuram and Mr. Quorumita, he also spoke about having 24-hour use and the customer that he has. A lot of these customers come from maybe Lomalinda, the medical use, and so they're looking for a place to go during those non-traditional operating hours.

[1:45:28] And then also, a lot of his business, whose patrons are construction folks that are working

[1:45:34] on, are nearby freeways, and they're doing, you know, 24 hours, or that graveyard ship,

[1:45:40] so to speak.

[1:45:40] And so they also are a big component of his business.

[1:45:46] And so the commission also considered that discussion.

[1:45:51] Ultimately, what the planning commission did was recommend that 24-hour uses should be subject

[1:45:57] to a conditional use permit and I apologize that's hard to read, but the commission was very

[1:46:02] cognizant of the cost of the standard conditional use permit and they recommended it

[1:46:07] in a administrative way.

[1:46:11] And so today we're bringing to the council commission's recommendation, but the city council

[1:46:18] also, again as part of this discussion, can in their consideration determine that the CEP is not

[1:46:26] appropriate for 24 hour uses, or they can agree with the planning commission and direct

[1:46:32] the staff to make the necessary changes. What's in the staff report for the City Council

[1:46:37] was subsequent to the planning commission's discussion, there was another option that was proposed

[1:46:44] and that is a business permit requirement for 24 hour uses. And so that does not become

[1:46:50] The zoning application, but it's more use application, and our municipal code does have business

[1:46:57] permits for certain type of uses, such as for billiards, and that was an example that

[1:47:04] was put in the staff report. Later this evening, the council is going to consider a second-hand

[1:47:09] dealer permit, or junk dealer permit. That's under Title V, that's a business permit as

[1:47:15] So that's also an option for the council to consider in lieu of a conditional use permit and in this

[1:47:23] This is in the staff report, but this is just a table

[1:47:26] The biggest difference between the two is again once once based on zoning one isn't the review authority for a CEP is the planning commission for business permit

[1:47:34] That comes to city council. It's not part of the commission's purview and they're very similar in that that those permits can be reviewed

[1:47:45] when it's determined that perhaps they're not operating in conformance with those permits.

[1:47:51] And they can both be subject. We'll see a PSWT revocation if it gets to that point.

[1:47:56] Business permit can also be written that way, subject to revocation.

[1:48:00] And then after that, should the business continue to operate, then that would be a code case.

[1:48:05] And so, although these are very similar, one is, oh, you can land use type of permit and the other one is not.

[1:48:12] And so, with that, we would ask that the City Council discuss the site on whether 24-hour

[1:48:20] uses should be regulated and consider these different alternatives or others and direct

[1:48:26] us accordingly.

[1:48:29] Thank you.

[1:48:30] Thank you.

[1:48:30] Director Molina.

[1:48:31] Are there questions of staff at this time?

[1:48:34] Mayor Pro Tem Wilson.

[1:48:36] Director Molina, could you describe for us how it administrative conditionally use permit

[1:48:41] the process would work?

[1:48:44] Yes, Mayor Protem.

[1:48:46] So the Administrative Conditional Use Permette

[1:48:48] is a provision in our zoning code that if a business is

[1:48:54] going to occupy space that's 2,000 square feet or less,

[1:48:58] then it qualifies for administrative conditional use permette.

[1:49:01] If the business occupies a site that's greater than 2,000 square feet,

[1:49:04] or 2,000 greater, then it's the standard conditional use permette.

[1:49:09] Most of the businesses that we see are occupying spaces less than 2,000 square feet.

[1:49:15] The other difference is that administrative, it's reviewed at staff level, and standard

[1:49:22] goes to planning commission and have noticed public hearing.

[1:49:24] And so the cost of the different standard condition they use permit to hearing is a $2,400

[1:49:30] application whereas a administrative CUP is a $620 application.

[1:49:35] Do you think it would be possible for us to, or would you recommend, in a sense, for 24

[1:49:43] hour used to be added to the 2000 square foot ceiling on the administrative CUP, and

[1:49:52] see that that would work in place of a full on CUP?

[1:49:59] I apologize, Mayor Pertil Wilson.

[1:50:01] I didn't understand the first half of that question.

[1:50:05] At this point, we explained that the ceiling on an administrative CEP is up to 2,000 square feet of livable or usable.

[1:50:17] Excuse me, because 24-hour use is kind of a gray area, would it be possible for us to amend or would it be desirable for us to amend?

[1:50:30] are administrative CUP process to include 24-hour uses?

[1:50:39] I see, because this is not a zoning issue per se,

[1:50:43] but more of an operational issue than to amend our code

[1:50:46] to say a 24-hour uses administrative CUP.

[1:50:49] We could, if that's the desire to cancel amend

[1:50:51] or excuse me, our code.

[1:50:54] And I'll let the city turn you also chime in on that.

[1:50:57] Thank you.

[1:50:59] Mr. City Attorney?

[1:51:01] Nothing to chime in at this point.

[1:51:03] You did a good job, Director Molina.

[1:51:05] Councilmember Allen.

[1:51:08] Well, as I was reading a second about this,

[1:51:11] and then in my discussions, you know,

[1:51:13] and learning more about it,

[1:51:17] it seems like since this is not a land use issue,

[1:51:21] which is what the CUP's before, perhaps the business permit

[1:51:24] might be the right way to go with it,

[1:51:26] or a more, either maybe less complicated, I don't know,

[1:51:31] maybe it affects and less complicated,

[1:51:34] but I think it would provide the control

[1:51:36] that we're looking for.

[1:51:39] I have a question before you answer that.

[1:51:42] You can answer that as part of this answer.

[1:51:46] When we have a gas station coming to town,

[1:51:50] is there a different kind of requirement

[1:51:52] with their business permit than there is with other business

[1:51:57] is the coming.

[1:52:02] With regard to the 24-hour aspect, again, our codes don't address the operational

[1:52:08] aspect of a gas station or another use being 24 hours. Gas stations fall back under the

[1:52:17] base zoning. Okay, but our gas stations are 24 hours. Our gas stations here in town currently are

[1:52:25] 24 hours. And so

[1:52:30] we do we ask them when they come in. These gas stations, I know they've

[1:52:35] been there for a while. Do we ask if they're going to operate 24 hours? Because there are

[1:52:38] places where gas stations do not operate 24 hours.

[1:52:43] You are correct, Mayor, that these stations do predate,

[1:52:49] but we don't. We may ask, for instance,

[1:52:52] We've asked our fast food uses, whether they operate 24 hours.

[1:52:56] For us, the difference between a gas station

[1:53:00] is typically they, because they're 24 hours, they are

[1:53:04] already addressing those security concerns.

[1:53:05] Because gas stations, you have a lot of drive-thru traffic,

[1:53:07] so they're addressing the security concerns.

[1:53:10] They have lighting already in place.

[1:53:11] They're taking care of those type of issues

[1:53:14] where perhaps a restaurant or a bar or something like that.

[1:53:19] They may have security issues, but they may not be addressing them

[1:53:21] unless they're as part of the CUP of business permit,

[1:53:24] ask to address them.

[1:53:25] So that would be one difference.

[1:53:30] Well, that is a specific concern, my or what she was just mentioning

[1:53:34] is, because I know that had done it Cosrom and at the parking lot at

[1:53:39] NIA, it's not live, but he's open.

[1:53:42] And then has been mentioned to me personally about that.

[1:53:47] So lighting and security, and that sort of thing with 24 businesses,

[1:53:51] When the business owner is not the property owner, you know, trying to, you know, make sure that

[1:53:57] how is is that going to be addressed.

[1:54:01] And I also would like to know how much a business permit cost has opposed to the, I know the admin

[1:54:08] CUP620 or 640, I think, no 620.

[1:54:12] A business permit based on the, is it cost vary on those?

[1:54:17] So, I'll let me answer that Council Member Allen in response to your other question as well.

[1:54:29] So, from a staff perspective,

[1:54:33] from a, how we implement the Council's desire, for instance,

[1:54:36] that the Council says that she'd be administrative conditional use permit, and that's a very simple amendment to our code.

[1:54:43] If the Council directs staff to establish a business permit process,

[1:54:48] than that's a different change.

[1:54:51] We do amend our code, but we have to create the standards for the business permit for 24 hours.

[1:54:58] We don't have any right now.

[1:55:00] So the effort of work is a little bit more, but we're happy to do whatever the council desires.

[1:55:06] Thank you.

[1:55:08] I'm sorry.

[1:55:08] And let me just follow up.

[1:55:09] And there's no fee established just yet for business permit.

[1:55:12] Okay.

[1:55:13] Thank you very much.

[1:55:14] Mr. Defe, you had comment?

[1:55:16] Yes, Mayor.

[1:55:16] Just the point of clarification, and that I think the council should probably, the City

[1:55:21] Attorney should probably weigh in here.

[1:55:23] As we talk about the 24 hour use, I think through my conversation with the City Attorney,

[1:55:30] he referenced that you would be establishing when businesses can open and operate within

[1:55:37] the city, open and close.

[1:55:39] because if you say 24-hour regulations, if someone opens 23, 24 or 22, that's not really

[1:55:48] the issue here.

[1:55:49] The issue is, and I think that the mic opportunity for the city attorney is that how do you

[1:55:56] enforce a 24-hour operation?

[1:55:59] I think that should be a part of your discussion to see how that plays out.

[1:56:04] What measures would the council approve this?

[1:56:07] What measures would they put in place to regulate the 24-hour businesses and that is how do you stop them from operating 24-hour by establishing a time cut off when businesses can operate in the city?

[1:56:25] Councilmember Allen.

[1:56:26] I just want to make sure I understand that.

[1:56:28] So, rather than saying, then stipulating 24-hour business, we would have stipulate a time

[1:56:36] that a business, like midnight 2 a.m., is that what you're saying?

[1:56:42] I'll tell you.

[1:56:42] I'll wait.

[1:56:44] Mr. City Attorney.

[1:56:45] Thank you, Madam Mayor.

[1:56:46] To be clear.

[1:56:47] I think the first question is, do we want our businesses to operate 24-hours?

[1:56:53] That's a yes or no proposition.

[1:56:55] and from there, staff and I will work on the language

[1:56:59] to address whatever the policy direction is.

[1:57:04] My currently, does a gas station require a CUP?

[1:57:10] I'm not sure about that.

[1:57:12] It might be triggered with the convenience store.

[1:57:14] Okay, let's assume hypothetically

[1:57:16] that we have a business that will require a CUP to operate.

[1:57:19] One of the conditions of approval in our code existing

[1:57:22] is limits on the hours of operation or duration of approval.

[1:57:26] So we already have, and this goes back to your question,

[1:57:28] can we ask and do we ask and so I would suggest that if we do if it is subject to a

[1:57:34] CUP already we would ask that question and if if the council's policy direction was to

[1:57:42] say we did not want 24 hours or we want operations to cease at 2 a.m. and 6 a.m. in

[1:57:49] the period that that would be incorporated into the code so that's more clear.

[1:57:55] Thank you, Mr. City Attorney. Further questions?

[1:58:00] All right, we'll open up to public comments.

[1:58:02] Are there any requests to speak on this item?

[1:58:04] No, Madam Mayor.

[1:58:05] All right, we'll bring back the council for deliberation and direction.

[1:58:10] Madam Mayor.

[1:58:11] Council member Allen.

[1:58:13] You know, I don't want to, I'm pretty hesitant to try to restrict any business on their efforts to make,

[1:58:17] make my, make my, make my, you know, as am I.

[1:58:21] You know, and for obvious,

[1:58:22] street, but I also understand that the concerns that residents and surrounding areas might have.

[1:58:33] I would like to find a way that we can mitigate our concerns of noise and litter and security

[1:58:43] and the least intrusive and least expensive way possible for our businesses.

[1:58:48] Has this become an issue with our residents?

[1:58:50] is this why it's on the agenda, is this, is there a, is there a, is there a, is there a binah?

[1:58:56] Well, some concerns expressed.

[1:59:00] There's later.

[1:59:01] There's later.

[1:59:02] Thank you, Madam Mayor.

[1:59:04] We've had a lot of, we've had, if recent uses that are proposing 24 hours.

[1:59:10] And it's just an area that's not really addressed in our zoning, for instance.

[1:59:15] There is an application for a Taco Bell currently in being processed.

[1:59:19] When they first came in, they wanted to be not 24 hours, but operates like five in the morning,

[1:59:27] which is not 24 hours.

[1:59:28] I think this speaks to maybe the attorney's comment.

[1:59:32] That's not 24 hours, but there's those impacts of noise, it potentially litter,

[1:59:38] and that land use interface, and so they've since then modified those hours, so they're not proposing to operate that late.

[1:59:46] But then we also have cosurometer that's 24 hours and a second business that will be

[1:59:50] proposing to me 24 hours in that same center.

[1:59:53] So we brought the question forward.

[1:59:56] Thank you, Director Molina.

[1:59:57] City manager.

[1:59:58] I'd like to make a comment.

[1:59:59] Yeah, and just...

[2:00:00] So just to comment, dovetail in that. The reason why this became an issue is because during our normal development process, when a new business comes in and during construction, they disclose all those things.

[2:00:14] They ask robbery hours, we look at noise, we look at issues, we make sure the lighting's correct and so on and so on.

[2:00:20] It is the case where you have an existing building,

[2:00:24] where you have someone going in like Cos-Raman,

[2:00:27] who can modify the hours without there being that regulation.

[2:00:33] And so that's what's the Cos-Raman.

[2:00:35] It's a thought process of the new Cos-Raman too.

[2:00:41] They're trying to open their little finger food coffee shop.

[2:00:45] And so that's where we don't have any regulation

[2:00:49] And whereas Taco Bell, McDonald's, Miguel's, all of those items, you know, noise, traffic,

[2:01:00] lighting, all of those items were addressed initially when those businesses started.

[2:01:06] So when you have someone going into an existing building, that's where the gap is that

[2:01:11] we don't have someone to say, hey, wait a minute, you just got a bit of business license

[2:01:16] and you determine your own hours.

[2:01:17] And so that's the, there haven't been, I guess we should

[2:01:20] propagate the Lieutenant Wolf's the way in, I don't know

[2:01:24] of any issues associated with cause, ramen, having noise

[2:01:31] complaints, I know one of the things when they wanted to do

[2:01:34] their, when we told they were doing their two, they're two

[2:01:37] am in the morning operations, our initial concern was

[2:01:40] hate lighting, security.

[2:01:43] And so I think we addressed those issues when they came in,

[2:01:47] for the original purpose.

[2:01:48] Because they were doing, I guess, turn it into improvements, and that's what we caught them

[2:01:51] in the process.

[2:01:53] Thank you.

[2:01:54] Can I have to remember, Alan?

[2:01:58] I know we keep referencing cause, Ron, and in this discussion, but we have other businesses

[2:02:02] we've talked about that are open 24 hours, and if we want to talk with, I have other concerns,

[2:02:09] the other same concerns would be addressed by Lieutenant Wolf.

[2:02:16] I mean, do those businesses have those same concerns that we have with Cos-Roman, I mean,

[2:02:22] lighting and security are there, they actually have theirs under control?

[2:02:26] Well, I think your current code tries to regulate that because you have some requirements for

[2:02:34] billion rooms and things of that particular nature. So you've got that in there, but this was a unique area that

[2:02:43] We're approaching and I think what staff is trying to do is to be proactive versus having

[2:02:51] to be reactive later on.

[2:02:55] May I have a question?

[2:02:58] As far as I'm concerned, I would support an administrative conditionally use permit

[2:03:04] process for 24 hours of

[2:03:18] use.

[2:03:23] Would that provide the amount of control that you want to have over horrible kind of control

[2:03:29] do you want to have and would that provide it?

[2:03:32] I think it provides that I just the cost of it is what I'm concerned about, Mr. Debbie.

[2:03:37] Well, I think we would need a little more clarity to make sure what we need to include is the part of that process.

[2:03:44] because right now you have gas stations and you said the operating

[2:03:47] two of ours.

[2:03:48] So if we approve of administrative CUP, would we then be asking

[2:03:55] those gas stations now trying to get a CUP?

[2:03:59] Or are we limiting the focus of...

[2:04:04] We're a part-time.

[2:04:07] I think it only be fair to grandfather's those users in.

[2:04:13] That'll be fair if I may.

[2:04:14] It's just a day turn.

[2:04:15] Thank you. That is certainly one option. Another option that I have implemented is to give existing

[2:04:24] operations a grace period of like two years a year, whatever the council directs to come into compliance

[2:04:32] by obtaining the permit. So it's not immediate, but it gives them time to bring their operations

[2:04:42] And so would we look back at the gas station use and see if they already have a CUP that

[2:04:47] addresses the issue and then it wouldn't be required?

[2:04:51] Possibly yes, I mean, I believe that's a director.

[2:04:54] Madam Mayor, we could do that.

[2:05:01] Just as long as we have some kind of paper coverage as opposed in relation to the use,

[2:05:05] those gas stations have been there for a long time.

[2:05:08] I'm reluctant to impose additional requirements and processing on a business that's

[2:05:14] already here in thriving when we're the ones that didn't have an ordinance that actually addressed the issue.

[2:05:48] Mr. Devin, would you like to share your comments?

[2:05:52] Yes, Mayor, I was just asking the city attorney, would it be acceptable if, as part of the council's recommendation,

[2:06:01] that they would say that you require an administrative CUP for any business that doesn't

[2:06:09] have an existing business license in the city.

[2:06:13] It doesn't have an existing business license?

[2:06:15] Right.

[2:06:16] So if a new business came in and one dropped me 24 hours, they would be subject to the administrative

[2:06:20] CUP.

[2:06:22] Mr. City Attorney?

[2:06:24] I have the same concept.

[2:06:25] I don't know if I tied to the business license.

[2:06:27] I just say basically any business existing as of the date of the ordinance, effective date shall be grandfathered in or how everyone says.

[2:06:36] If that's the direction of the house.

[2:06:36] Any business that's currently operating 24 hours.

[2:06:39] That's correct.

[2:06:42] Okay.

[2:06:43] And how will you measure that?

[2:06:45] 24 hours?

[2:06:48] We'll have to determine that.

[2:06:51] All right.

[2:06:53] All right.

[2:06:53] So do you have direction?

[2:06:54] Do you need to come back to us with this?

[2:06:57] I would recommend the A-Motion, so it's clear for the record as to what the direction it's of the staff.

[2:07:07] Mayor President?

[2:07:09] Yeah, we were at this.

[2:07:12] I'd like to make a motion that the city attorney draft to language to enable a administrative condition

[2:07:21] to use permit to process with regard to the 24-hour uses and operations in Grant Terrace

[2:07:28] and a caveat that addresses the issue of prior use, and what process might be pursued,

[2:07:44] not including a complete new process.

[2:07:57] Okay.

[2:07:57] There's somebody Mayor Pro Tem Wilson, very well stated.

[2:08:01] Second, by Council Member Hussie.

[2:08:03] Please vote.

[2:08:06] Motion passes.

[2:08:07] with Council members Allen and Hessey Votinges, Mayor Pro Jim Wilson, Votinges and Mayor

[2:08:12] McNubo Votinges.

[2:08:14] All right.

[2:08:14] Thank you.

[2:08:14] Move to item 11, which is an application of safe way recycling and recovering ink for City

[2:08:21] Council approval of a junk and second hand dealer license for the property located at

[2:08:27] 21516 Main Street, Director of Planning and Development Services, Sandra Molina.

[2:08:36] Thank you, Mayor.

[2:08:37] members of the city council.

[2:08:40] So this proposal is for a junk and second hand yellow license for safe way recycling.

[2:08:48] So I had two one five one six main street, there used to be a business they were called American

[2:08:52] metal recycling and in 2011 they received a conditional use permit to be able to collect

[2:09:00] recyclable material, CRV, you know, cans and plastic bottles. They also took in metal products and some household

[2:09:07] item, such as beda-frame, the metal beda-frames, they would take in refrigerators,

[2:09:17] but our business

[2:09:19] permit requirements for any business that takes in scrap metals because they also took in scrap metals.

[2:09:26] They require this business permit and so American metal recycling recently vacated the premises and safeway

[2:09:35] recycling and recovery is proposing to occupy that space and so

[2:09:40] Part of that process

[2:09:42] They're able to reoccupy that space operating the same manner as American metal recycling under that condition

[2:09:47] They use permit, but they are required to get their own business permit through the city council

[2:09:53] And chapter 5.44 regulates this type of permit.

[2:09:58] This application was forwarded to our building safety department, the sheriff's department,

[2:10:05] and the planning department reviewed it till we get recommendations and all three departments

[2:10:09] are recommending that the council issue this business permit.

[2:10:13] In addition, this type of use is heavily regulated or municipal code and our business,

[2:10:20] California Business and Profitions Code,

[2:10:23] highly regulates this type of business.

[2:10:25] And so the business takes in,

[2:10:27] somebody comes in to recycle metal.

[2:10:29] They have to have an ID.

[2:10:31] They have to get all their information.

[2:10:33] They have to put that in the records.

[2:10:34] They have to notate what the item was.

[2:10:37] And then you can keep those records on site

[2:10:38] in their subject inspection with notice.

[2:10:42] And so with that, staff is recommending

[2:10:46] that the city council issue, or approve,

[2:10:49] the business permit. But staff does have one proposed modification to the resolution and on

[2:10:56] stamp page 397 down at section 2 with the council's findings. We would add at the end so it

[2:11:08] would read the city council hereby proves a junk and second hand dealer's license for a safe

[2:11:13] way recycling and recovery ink. Subject to the requirements contained in chapter 5.44,

[2:11:18] Johnkins second hand dealers are the grand terrace municipal code and all other applicable laws applicable laws

[2:11:25] comma and a contingent upon

[2:11:27] issuance of a business license so that they run together and

[2:11:33] with that

[2:11:34] I include my presentation

[2:11:38] Thank you

[2:11:39] Come

[2:11:42] back over to the mayor

[2:11:45] Questions of staff at this time?

[2:11:50] Thank you, Director Molina.

[2:11:55] Pack up page 391 in the last paragraph about halfway down.

[2:12:01] So our part-way down it says that, well, the whole paragraph

[2:12:05] says that improving the use of planning commission post several conditions of approval.

[2:12:11] And it goes through some of those.

[2:12:12] And then one of those conditions is prohibiting on-site disassembly.

[2:12:17] Is that this disassembly of junk that's brought there?

[2:12:21] Is that correct?

[2:12:24] Yes, when the planning commission was considering the CEP in 2011, they were concerned that people were going to drive in a vehicle or bring something in and dismantle exactly what you're saying.

[2:12:34] Yes.

[2:12:34] Okay, because they do that there.

[2:12:35] I've used that to that place for many years to turn in my recycling.

[2:12:38] People go there and they dismantle all kinds of things in that parking lot.

[2:12:43] And so I just, I think that, you know, we need to make sure that they form this

[2:12:52] further question.

[2:12:55] All right.

[2:12:56] We'll open it up to public comment, or there are any requests to speak on the side?

[2:12:59] No, Madam Mayor.

[2:13:00] All right.

[2:13:00] Close public comment.

[2:13:01] Bring it back to Council for consideration of a motion.

[2:13:10] So, we're, this is for a business license, right?

[2:13:16] Is that correct?

[2:13:18] Director Molina?

[2:13:20] It's a business permit.

[2:13:21] Business permit.

[2:13:22] Okay, Madam Mayor.

[2:13:23] Then I recommend that we adopt a resolution to the City Council, the City of Rente Terrace.

[2:13:28] approving a John Consect and dealer of Slicens for Safeway Recycling and Recovery.

[2:13:34] Second.

[2:13:35] Motion by Council Member Allen, second by Mayor Proton Wilson, please vote.

[2:13:41] Motion passed up to Council Member Allen and Hussie Votinges, Mayor Proton Wilson Votinges, and Mayor

[2:13:46] McNubo Votinges.

[2:13:48] Thank you.

[2:13:48] So we'll move on to item 12, which is professional services agreement between the City of Grand

[2:13:52] Terrace and Interwest Consulting Group to provide management services to planning and

[2:13:57] development services and public works department in the amount not to exceed $147,000.

[2:14:04] Dr. Molina.

[2:14:05] This matter may or thank you, members of the City Council.

[2:14:11] As indicated by the mayor, this is a proposal to enter into a contract, a new contract with

[2:14:17] Interwest Consulting Group for management services to planning and public works.

[2:14:22] So, in 2017, the City Council did approve an amendment to an existing contract with Interwest.

[2:14:31] So, the existing contract was for public works inspection and construction management.

[2:14:37] And so, we took to the City Council City Council approved a modification to incorporate deputy building official and plans of the Ammoner functions.

[2:14:46] And the contracts limited the services to 16 hours per week.

[2:14:53] The plan checking component of the service would be offset by development.

[2:15:00] And so there was an offset with regard to the hourly rate.

[2:15:06] So we've been operating under that contract since 2017.

[2:15:13] And then I wouldn't have had that the city had budgeted a deputy building, or excuse me, a building official, but because we were having difficulty hiring a person that would work part time, we ended up going to consulting services.

[2:15:26] But since then, we're finding that we have a greater need in planning and in public works for a consultant that would provide management level services to the directors and also to our line frontline staff.

[2:15:46] There's a bit of, there's a need for that middle, middle manager type of consulting services.

[2:15:54] And so this new contract would expand the scope of services to provide that level of service,

[2:15:59] not only to planning development services, but also to public works.

[2:16:03] And so the expanded scope would include, again, management services support to those different departments and divisions.

[2:16:12] The person would also provide direct customer service at the counter in the field.

[2:16:17] And I would also, as indicated in the staff report, we've under the auspices of the contract,

[2:16:23] we have brought in a consultant named Chas Ferguson who's resumes in the staff report.

[2:16:28] And he's been providing this 40-hour service, and he's been going out to the field.

[2:16:33] He's been helping people up the counter.

[2:16:35] He's been helping with food enforcement staff and animal control staff and also with some public

[2:16:42] works issues that have come up.

[2:16:46] And so part of the work would be, again, the building official, the plans examiner, also

[2:16:51] some inspections that he's gone out and done, and then there would be the hourly offset

[2:16:58] again by the developer deposits.

[2:17:04] So staff would recommend that the City Council award the agreement to, and a West to provide

[2:17:09] the management services to planning, development services and public works, and not to exceed

[2:17:13] $147,000, and authorize the Mayor to execute the agreement subject to City Attorney approval

[2:17:19] as to form with regard to the contract.

[2:17:22] Thank you, Director Molina.

[2:17:24] Are there questions of staff at this time?

[2:17:28] Council Member Allen.

[2:17:31] Director Molina on Packet Page 417 under additional services.

[2:17:40] There's a sentence, partway down, it says any increase in compensation of up to 10 percent

[2:17:46] of the contract sum, or $25,000, whichever is less, or in the time to perform up to

[2:17:56] $180, maybe approved by the contract officer, $25,000, that's 20% of the contract, isn't it?

[2:18:06] About 20% of the, is that the correct amount and the contracting officer can approve that?

[2:18:17] This particular section is written so in addition to that contract amount not to exceed, but

[2:18:26] was a city turning in a comment on this particular section. Mr. City Attorney?

[2:18:31] What this section does just provide some flexibility if some special project comes up that the

[2:18:36] contract officer can improve something. In this case, it's up to 10% of the contract values,

[2:18:43] or 25,000 whichever is less, and in this case the contract value is 147,000,

[2:18:49] 10% of that is 14700, so that would be the contract options cap, should

[2:18:54] additional services be required.

[2:18:59] Or 25,000, but that's irrelevant because it's saying whichever is less.

[2:19:06] In the contract, you know, officer would be the city manager at this time?

[2:19:08] I believe so,

[2:19:12] yes.

[2:19:12] for the questions all right open up public comment any request to speak on this item no

[2:19:18] matter may all right we'll bring back the council for consideration of a motion

[2:19:27] I'll make a motion that we

[2:19:28] recommend I recommend award a professional service room at inter west consulting group

[2:19:34] to provide management services to the plane development services above the work department in an

[2:19:39] amount not to exceed $147,000 and authorize the mayor to execute the agreement subject to city

[2:19:46] attorney approval as to four.

[2:19:54] Motion by Council Member Rowland.

[2:19:56] Second by Council Member Hassey, please vote.

[2:20:00] Motion passed with Council Members Allen.

[2:20:03] And Hassey voting guests.

[2:20:04] Mayor Proxima Wilson voting guests.

[2:20:05] And Mayor Matt Nubba voting guests.

[2:20:07] Thank you.

[2:20:08] So our request for future agenda items will be moved to another date.

[2:20:12] City manager communications.

[2:20:15] Thank you, Mayor.

[2:20:17] Just one of the reminder.

[2:20:19] Mayor and Council in the community about the truck retreat event that's going to be occurring.

[2:20:22] Next Thursday, October 31st from 6 to 9 p.m., there'll be costum contest, and there'll be

[2:20:29] costum judging from ages of 0.5, 6 to 10, 11 to 15, and 16 plus, as well as dog costum judging.

[2:20:38] It's a lot of fun. We have a lot of fun last year, and it's a great way for the community to come out

[2:20:43] and have a good time for trick or treat, trunk or treat.

[2:20:51] All right, also we have the the end of

[2:20:53] country fair coming up on November the second. So it's going to be a fun field weekend

[2:20:58] starting on Thursday and Saturday culminating with the country fair put on by the

[2:21:04] Circle Cultural Committee. It's from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. at City Hall. We look forward to seeing

[2:21:09] everybody there. Also then on November the 11th we have our annual Veterans Day and Veterans

[2:21:16] Freedom Park event on November the 11th we encourage everyone to come out at the Veterans

[2:21:21] in Park.

[2:21:25] And then finally, Mayor, my final presentation is, you were going to help me out with,

[2:21:32] I'm not very happy about this, but I do wish Sandra Malena a really great warm wishes and

[2:21:40] good luck in her new endeavor. She'll be leaving us. This is where's last week of employment

[2:21:46] with us and she'll be going to Cathedral City to do some of the great things she's done

[2:21:51] And so we have a plaque and we'd like the mayor, the council to read the plaque and then we're going to take a photo of the grantors family so we can treasure that as we miss Malina.

[2:22:05] This is presented to Sandra Malina, planning and development services director for your sincere commitment and devotion in grateful appreciation for your years about standing service and dedication.

[2:22:18] For your leadership and hard work, your attention to detail and exemplary, exemplary, work ethic

[2:22:26] has aided the city to the level that has prospered.

[2:22:31] For your unselfish commitment and tireless cooperation, city of grand terrace, thank you for

[2:22:37] all your contributions towards enhancing the quality of life of the residents of this community

[2:22:44] dated the 20 seconds of October 2019.

[2:22:47] And I echo the city manager when I say I'm not happy about this, but I do wish you the best and I know that the city of that you will be working in is very lucky to have

[2:23:28] you.

[2:23:42] With

[2:24:36] that mayor that concludes my report.

[2:24:38] Thank you, Mr. Duffy.

[2:24:39] All right, we do have a closed session tonight, so we will be resessing to closed session.

[2:24:46] And for those of you that are watching, we'll let you know that our next regular city council meeting

[2:24:51] will be held on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 6 p.m.

[2:24:55] Any request to have an item placed on future agenda must be made in writing and submitted to the

[2:25:00] the city clerk's office.

[2:25:01] The request will be processed in accordance with the council procedures.

[2:25:04] Thank you to everybody who came out and spoke tonight and shared their opinions and concerns

[2:25:11] with us.

[2:25:12] And at this time, we will recess to close session conference with legal counsel and

[2:25:17] anticipated litigation.

[2:25:19] Significant exposure to litigation pursuant to government code section 54956.9B.

[2:25:26] One potential case at this time, we are in recess.

[2:26:04] I do.

[2:26:04] All right, we'll reconvene to open session.

[2:26:07] Councilment and closed session conference with legal council anticipated litigation.

[2:26:12] Significant exposure to litigation pursuant to government code section 54956.9B when potential case.

[2:26:20] No reportable actions at this time.

[2:26:23] Direction was given to staff.

[2:26:25] So with that, we will adjourn to our next regular city council meeting to be held on Tuesday, November 12th.

[2:26:31] 2019 at 6 p.m. any request to have an item placed on future agenda must be made in writing

[2:26:37] and submitted to the City Clerk's office and the request will be processed in accordance

[2:26:41] with Council procedures.

[2:26:44] We are adjourned.

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