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[0:47] p.m we're gonna have the Pledge of

[0:48] Allegiance from Miss commissioner Ruby

[0:52] cohens are you going to do it okay well

[0:54] Jen Houston is going to do it

[0:56] right okay

[0:58] everyone thank you I pledge allegiance

[1:01] to the flag of the United States of

[1:03] America and to the Republic for which it

[1:06] stands one nation under God indivisible

[1:09] with liberty and justice for

[1:12] all thank you uh roll call please

[1:16] chairperson Richard present Vice

[1:18] chairperson cohens present commissioner

[1:21] hon

[1:23] present hey item D oral

[1:26] Communications this is the time for the

[1:27] public to address the Planning

[1:29] Commission on the consent calendar or

[1:31] any other matters that are not on the

[1:33] public hearing portion of the agenda

[1:36] after obtaining permission to proceed by

[1:38] the presiding officer speaker should

[1:40] first state their full name and address

[1:42] for the record but it is not required

[1:45] the speaker shall limit their address to

[1:47] 3 minutes any public comments that are

[1:49] discriminatory defamatory or otherwise

[1:52] not protected speech will not be

[1:54] considered consented to or otherwise

[1:57] adopted by the planning Commissions in

[1:59] its deliberation and findings as a

[2:01] courtesy to others please silence your

[2:03] cell phones and other electronic devices

[2:06] the Planning Commission strives to treat

[2:08] all participants with Civility and we

[2:11] ask that you do the

[2:12] same I'm give you seconds I see a lot of

[2:15] cell phones being silenced there um but

[2:18] also today as we do have a lot of folks

[2:20] here let's please remember we do need to

[2:22] keep our remarks to three minutes there

[2:24] will be a lot of remarks I'm sure so

[2:27] with that being said if anyone would

[2:29] like to address the Planning Commission

[2:31] on items not on the consent or on the

[2:33] consent calendar other matters please

[2:35] form a line there at the

[2:41] middle if you're here for the

[2:42] subdivision that's a public hearing that

[2:44] your opportunity will come up

[2:46] later um so what's on the um consent

[2:50] calendar are minutes of previous

[2:53] meetings and a Time extension for a um

[2:57] for a map that's all but but any other

[3:00] any matters that are not on public

[3:01] hearings is this is the time to

[3:04] speak thank you for that

[3:07] clarification

[3:09] okay seeing no one I will close oral

[3:13] Communications item

[3:17] e do I

[3:19] read yeah but that's

[3:22] mine

[3:24] um sure sure

[3:35] hello my name is Judith tro I reside at

[3:38] 4500 West 129 Street I've been a

[3:41] longtime resident but I'm a little

[3:43] confused about the meeting we were told

[3:45] that this was a meeting on the Planning

[3:48] Commission in regard

[3:51] to uh the plan rezoning or whatever on

[3:56] on alunda Boulevard yeah so that's what

[3:59] uh gr Greg was just explaining there's a

[4:01] number of things on the agenda what

[4:02] we're looking at right now is the

[4:04] consent calendar there will be a public

[4:05] hearing open for that part that still be

[4:07] during this meeting thank

[4:12] you okay items on the consent calendar

[4:15] are the Planning Commission meetings of

[4:16] February 21st 2024 Planning Commission

[4:19] minutes of April 17 2024 Planning

[4:23] Commission minutes of May 15 2024 time

[4:26] extension

[4:27] request um

[4:31] for the hotel project at 11444 AAA

[4:35] Avenue take a

[4:38] motion for it any motions I motion to

[4:42] vote Mo to it's approve to approve I

[4:44] mean I'm sorry yeah have a second okay

[4:47] these are just for the minutes correct

[4:48] and the and the time and the time

[4:50] extension for the permit for the

[4:56] hotel if there's anything on there that

[4:58] you'd like to pull you just mention the

[5:00] item so if it's four you just pull item

[5:03] four well I was going to ask about the

[5:05] the Acasia Hotel yeah if you just have a

[5:08] question you can make the motion and

[5:10] then that before we vote we can deal

[5:12] with questions okay if you want to if

[5:14] you want to discuss that discuss that

[5:16] item separately then pull it from the

[5:18] consent calendar I'll pull it okay so

[5:21] we're just dealing with the three

[5:22] minutes right okay so we have a motion

[5:26] to approve I have motion to approve just

[5:27] the minutes minutes approve second

[5:30] second second okay sorry okay

[5:33] commissioner hon uh yay Vice chairperson

[5:36] cohens yes chairperson Richard yes okay

[5:40] now now um you have the floor okay well

[5:45] I just want to know if everything was

[5:47] followed um well I just want to know on

[5:50] the extension

[5:52] itself there was a little confusion I

[5:54] saw some emails um

[6:01] I saw some emails basically and I saw

[6:03] the extension but they never received a

[6:05] rebuttal afterwards is this from the

[6:07] from the law firm that you were seeing

[6:09] the

[6:13] emails no there the two the two people

[6:16] emails that came in not from the law

[6:18] firm they're in here no no no I saw

[6:20] those emails as well correct I saw I saw

[6:22] those emails but just to confirm

[6:27] uh the extension

[6:30] for that hotel it wasn't ever laps

[6:32] correct oh you're talking about the

[6:34] emails requesting the extension oh yeah

[6:37] no it it didn't lapse they made the

[6:38] request before it well it's lapsed now

[6:41] but it would be retroactively reinstated

[6:43] and because they made their application

[6:45] before the Hotel lapsed that's

[6:48] acceptable practice okay it doesn't

[6:50] extend beyond one year from the date it

[6:52] expired it's not one year from today

[6:54] it's from when it expired so uh it's

[6:57] just related to the difficulty of

[7:00] getting all the paperwork and so forth

[7:02] and the and the Commissioners all here

[7:04] at the same time so okay that's what I

[7:06] was thinking okay um basically that was

[7:09] the only question now say that he

[7:11] doesn't finish for instance we give him

[7:13] the extension he doesn't finish at all

[7:15] we have to do a new cup it is going to

[7:17] be a c okay that was the clarification

[7:18] that I need this was an approved cup and

[7:20] if it if it lapses final for the final

[7:23] time than a new CP would be required

[7:25] okay and so this is considered the final

[7:26] time then yes okay then I'm good now you

[7:29] just clarify it for me okay so we need a

[7:31] motion motion to approve second okay

[7:35] Vice chairperson

[7:36] cohens

[7:38] yes um commissioner hon yes and

[7:43] chairperson

[7:46] Richard yes okay this uh this item was

[7:49] continued or extended for the year

[7:54] okay okay that concludes the consent

[7:56] calendar there are no continued public

[7:58] hearings so now now we're at the portion

[8:00] of the new public hearings first item is

[8:02] design review application Dr

[8:07] 20248 now is the time in place to open

[8:10] the public hearing to consider design

[8:12] review 20 Dr

[8:15] 2024 08 uh senior senior planner Maria

[8:20] mahic will present the staff report good

[8:22] evening Commissioners I do not have a

[8:24] staff report as we are requesting a

[8:26] continuance of this item to a later date

[8:31] to make sure that all uh items are ready

[8:35] to go for your review and

[8:39] decision okay so I'll entertain a motion

[8:41] to continue this item I second for

[8:45] clarification is this continue to a date

[8:48] uncertain we had requested July 17 2024

[8:53] but right now we are requesting to adate

[8:55] uncertain okay whenever we continue to

[8:57] adate uncertain we'll Reen notice the

[8:59] public okay okay great okay so we will

[9:02] motion I'll entertain a motion to

[9:04] continue this item to a date

[9:07] uncertain a motion yeah second wait moot

[9:10] oh my gosh I'm getting so ex yes say a

[9:12] motion yes a motion okay cool second who

[9:15] made the motion motion yes second

[9:19] second

[9:22] vote okay uh Vice chairperson cohens yes

[9:25] commissioner hon yes and chairperson

[9:28] Richard yes okay so this item is

[9:31] continued all right okay next is design

[9:35] review application dr22

[9:41] 24004 now is the time in place to open

[9:43] the public hearing to consider design

[9:46] review application Dr

[9:50] 20244 assistant planner anise Bermudez

[9:52] will present the staff

[9:55] report good evening Commissioners I'll

[9:58] be presenting the design review

[9:59] application for the holy Resurrection

[10:01] Church in school located at 4955 West

[10:04] 119th

[10:07] Street the church is located in a

[10:10] residential Zone surrounded

[10:11] predominantly by residential uses it's

[10:14] located on the corner of 119th Street

[10:16] and Felton Avenue and just across Felton

[10:19] Avenue is another religious assembly use

[10:22] the New Life Community

[10:25] Church the parcel is rather large at

[10:27] just over 28,000 square fet and

[10:30] currently on the lot are two structures

[10:32] one is the predom one is the main

[10:34] Auditorium for the church and the other

[10:37] is the school and classroom

[10:40] area both are going to be remodeled and

[10:43] slightly

[10:48] expanded this is what the facade of the

[10:51] structure currently looks like from

[10:52] 119th Street it's two stories a little

[10:56] over 32 feet tall and as you can see

[10:58] there's plenty of Street Frontage so

[11:00] that gives great opportunity to improve

[11:02] the Landscaping which we'll look at

[11:06] later this is an alternative view of the

[11:09] buildings from Felton Avenue you can see

[11:12] the school on the left has the flat roof

[11:14] and the church is on the right with the

[11:16] gable

[11:19] roof so this is the proposed site plan

[11:22] some of the modifications are shown with

[11:24] the yellow highlight with the orangey

[11:26] yellow highlight um The Roof is going to

[11:29] to be expanded to accommodate some

[11:31] widened side aisles on either side of

[11:33] the church this is not to increase the

[11:35] number of seats in the auditorium but

[11:37] just to accommodate um Ada accessibility

[11:40] so there's an a nice path of travel to

[11:42] get through there also shown is a new

[11:45] tower and elevator that's going to serve

[11:47] all both all both of the main floors of

[11:50] the church as well as the third floor

[11:52] roof deck um there is going to be a

[11:54] third floor roof deck as well as a

[11:56] second floor roof deck and on the third

[11:59] floor floor is a new kitchen net and um

[12:01] Ada

[12:05] restroom so this is the proposed layout

[12:08] for the first floor as I mentioned

[12:10] earlier one of the changes is going to

[12:11] be widening to the side aisles to allow

[12:14] that increased accessibility the altar

[12:16] in the front of the church is being

[12:18] redesigned and reshaped um some of the

[12:21] restrooms are going to be relocated to

[12:22] the southwest corner of the church

[12:25] there's going to be a new Sacrament

[12:27] Bakery and Lounge area

[12:29] when it comes to the school side some of

[12:31] the um there's going to be a remodel of

[12:34] the restroom and a little kitchenet

[12:37] added for a little coffee area rather

[12:39] added near the kitchenet which is

[12:43] existing this is the proposed layout of

[12:46] the second

[12:47] floor um on the far west side there's a

[12:51] new conference room and office space

[12:53] adjacent to that is an existing

[12:55] mezzanine area that is going to be

[12:57] remodeled so that it opens out to the

[13:00] outdoor deck toward the front of the

[13:03] church is going to be another little

[13:05] Lounge area or a small conference room I

[13:08] can't quite tell from here but I it's

[13:10] one of the two and then um on the school

[13:13] side there's going to be um another

[13:16] restroom

[13:22] remodel so this gives us a closer look

[13:24] at the roof decks that are being added

[13:27] on the second floor it's about 1600 ft

[13:31] and a staircase can take you up to the

[13:33] third floor roof deck as well as an

[13:35] elevator that serves that area the third

[13:37] floor roof deck will be approximately

[13:39] 2600 Square ft and it'll be enclosed on

[13:43] all sides by a 24in parapet wall and

[13:46] above that a 42in tempered glass guard

[13:48] rail so all in all about 5 and 1/2 ft of

[13:52] protection on all sides there will also

[13:54] be a new kitchenet and restroom up there

[14:02] these are the North and South elevations

[14:04] which give us a view of what the

[14:06] exterior of the structure will look like

[14:08] after the remodel as you can tell it's a

[14:10] very traditional Church there's going to

[14:13] be um ornate decorations and copper

[14:16] domes as well as gold um crosses that

[14:20] Adorn the

[14:21] building there's a tower there too that

[14:24] we'll analyze in a

[14:27] moment these are altern elevations where

[14:29] you can see other

[14:35] angles also included in the scope of

[14:37] work of this project is Landscaping so

[14:41] mulch is going to be added to existing

[14:43] plant areas to freshen up what's

[14:46] existing and the designers have proposed

[14:48] to add new varieties of trees and

[14:53] shrubs these are the V varieties that

[14:56] have been called out by the designer

[14:57] there's going to be citrus tree

[14:59] and different types of plants and um

[15:02] bushes those vibrant colors such as the

[15:05] orange and the purple and the blue are

[15:07] going to provide nice pops of color to

[15:08] really enhance the street Frontage of

[15:10] this

[15:14] project so this Tower is one of the key

[15:18] design elements of this project it's

[15:21] it's functional as it encloses the the

[15:24] elevator um it's also a you know it's

[15:28] also a design element so we have the the

[15:30] cross at the top as well as a little

[15:32] copper gold Dome that's up there

[15:36] um the what looks to be like a little

[15:39] glass window on that Tower is actually a

[15:42] proposed electric message center so I'd

[15:45] like to point out that that's going to

[15:46] be reviewed separately by the design I

[15:48] mean by the uh planning department

[15:49] because we have to make sure that meets

[15:51] um the zoning code and so we'll be

[15:53] reviewing that

[15:54] separately um the tower is proposed to

[15:57] be a little over 72 ft tall so that is

[16:00] significant but it's not unlike some

[16:02] other Steeples that we have in the

[16:03] church there in the city there's St

[16:06] Joseph's Church as well as Trinity

[16:08] Lutheran that both have tall Steeples so

[16:11] it's it's seen elsewhere in the city as

[16:17] well this is a closeup of the roof plan

[16:21] much of which is going to be existing

[16:23] the shingles are to remain um the roof

[16:26] will be expanded to accommodate those

[16:28] widened sides

[16:29] aisles

[16:31] um and the roof Dome is another design

[16:34] element that stands out and it's going

[16:37] to be about 16 feet tall and 25 feet in

[16:40] diameter so it's it is significant and

[16:44] um that's included in this in this um

[16:50] slide and that brings us to the staff

[16:53] recommendation which is that we

[16:54] recommend for the Planning Commission to

[16:56] adopt the resolution 202 2413 with

[17:00] conditions of approval approving design

[17:02] review application Dr

[17:07] 20244 okay thank

[17:12] you does the Planning Commission have

[17:14] any questions for

[17:19] staff just to confirm that right now

[17:21] with what we are voting on it is not the

[17:23] electric sign that's going to come up at

[17:25] a different point to see if it measures

[17:27] this is just the structural plan that

[17:29] was put forth correct the electronic

[17:31] message center will be reviewed only by

[17:33] the planning department as um signage

[17:35] usually is thank you

[17:38] yes no questions questions I had a

[17:41] question just on the bathroom you

[17:42] mentioned that there on the second floor

[17:44] that there is a new ADA Bathroom being

[17:46] added the third floor the third floor um

[17:50] reason I asked a question is there a

[17:51] first floor ADA Bathroom already

[17:54] existing good question I don't have the

[17:56] full set of plans in front of me but I

[17:58] do know that that third floor there's

[17:59] only going to be one bathroom up there

[18:01] and it is Ada accessible as far as first

[18:04] floor goes I would need to check the

[18:05] plan set to confirm or perhaps the

[18:07] designers can speak to that okay

[18:10] gotcha um that's it for

[18:14] me okay is the applicant present and do

[18:17] they wish to

[18:24] speak good evening Mr chairman and the

[18:28] Comm Miss um my name is aim Bell the

[18:33] project

[18:34] architect um and my client is right here

[18:38] father

[18:40] seral on the issue about the Ada we do

[18:44] have on each

[18:46] Flor um

[18:49] Ada restrooms perfect and they are all

[18:53] accessible through the elevator awesome

[18:56] okay I just wanted to make sure there

[18:57] wasn't just only a ADA Bathroom on the

[18:59] third floor each floor icluding the roof

[19:03] the one on the Roof oh right okay uh

[19:07] plan commission have any questions of

[19:08] The Advocate n no questions okay thank

[19:12] you for being here today appreciate

[19:14] thank you very much

[19:22] thanks Mr mlan are there any documents

[19:24] to place in the administrative recret

[19:26] there are none but uh this this is also

[19:29] the opportunity if anyone in the public

[19:30] wants to address the commission oh okay

[19:34] I did miss that one is there anyone who

[19:35] wishes to address the commission on this

[19:40] issue okay see none there is no

[19:43] documents do my fellow Commissioners

[19:45] have any final comments on this item or

[19:47] questions of

[19:49] Staff no no further questions good okay

[19:52] I'll for formally close the public

[19:54] hearing on these items and do I have a

[19:56] motion to approve motion to approve

[19:58] second the second the secretary please

[20:01] call for the

[20:02] vote Vice chairperson Collins yes

[20:05] commissioner hon yes and chairperson

[20:08] Richard yes okay this application is

[20:10] approved thank you aome okay next is

[20:13] subdivision development application SD

[20:24] 20242 give me one second let me get

[20:27] stuff moved around here

[20:35] [Applause]

[20:41] sd2 all

[20:43] right now is the time in place to open

[20:45] the public hearing to consider

[20:47] subdivision development application

[20:49] sd224

[20:52] 00002 assistant planner Nathan Levy will

[20:55] present the staff report good evening

[20:58] commissioners um so we have before you a

[21:01] proposal for a vesting tentative track

[21:04] map uh this this uh tenative tract map

[21:08] here revolves around the Hawthorne

[21:10] Nursery site uh the owners are proposing

[21:13] to develop it and in order to do that

[21:16] they need to combine the 15 existing

[21:18] Parcels into two one north of alunda

[21:21] Boulevard and one

[21:23] South um the primary issue here is that

[21:28] vesting inative track map uh the

[21:30] development and the permitting of the

[21:31] actual housing is not part of this

[21:33] project uh that is because the city

[21:36] council has passed several ordinances

[21:38] that Implement a housing overlay uh this

[21:41] was part of the general plan uh this was

[21:43] part of the housing element update that

[21:46] only commissioner Richard was on on the

[21:47] commission at that time uh but did go

[21:50] through the Planning Commission uh the

[21:52] the city council has stated that a

[21:54] residential development is a

[21:57] byright uh approval

[21:59] on within the housing overlay uh

[22:03] so when we look at the site we see that

[22:05] it does have different zoning we've got

[22:08] a mix of commercial and residential but

[22:10] like I mentioned it's all within a

[22:12] housing overlay so the housing overlay

[22:14] was established uh was approved in

[22:17] 2022 uh this housing overlay is is where

[22:21] the city council established that

[22:22] byright

[22:24] development So currently as I mentioned

[22:27] there's 15 total parcels across both

[22:29] sites uh it has a total of uh just over

[22:32] three gross Acres um there are four

[22:35] existing structures on the site uh

[22:37] they're on the Northern section of the

[22:39] site there's uh some homes that have not

[22:41] been used in a very long time as well as

[22:44] some other structures that the nursery

[22:47] used um so here we have a snapshot of

[22:50] the current conditions on the Northern

[22:52] section um you can see that it's bounded

[22:54] by gravilla and

[22:56] Manor and we can see that there is

[22:59] residential uh on the west and the North

[23:02] and there is some uh institutional use

[23:06] to the

[23:07] east with the southern section we see

[23:11] similar we see commercial or excuse me

[23:13] we see residential uh on the the west

[23:16] and the South partially on the East we

[23:19] also have a church the church of the

[23:22] nazarine uh this is just to give you an

[23:24] idea this is the current assessor parcel

[23:26] map from the Los Angeles County

[23:28] assessors um the highlighted in red are

[23:31] the sections that are north of ela

[23:33] Boulevard so these are the

[23:36] proposed Parcels to be combined into one

[23:39] parcel with this

[23:40] application um so if this does get

[23:42] approved that's what the assessors

[23:44] parcel map will eventually be updated to

[23:47] reflect uh the the southern site is

[23:49] going to be the same thing these Parcels

[23:51] will all be combined into

[23:54] one we do have a preliminary site plan

[23:57] that we are showing here um please

[24:01] remember that these site plans are

[24:03] tentative they're subject to change uh

[24:06] they do have to be reviewed by all

[24:08] relevant City departments so we're

[24:09] looking at the building and safety

[24:12] department the planning department um as

[24:14] well as public works and the MPD review

[24:18] so they have to go through all of the

[24:20] requirements in order to be issued any

[24:22] permits for building or for grading for

[24:24] anything

[24:27] um so on the site we have both North and

[24:30] Southern section northern and southern

[24:32] sections presented here uh these are all

[24:35] going to be ownership for ownership

[24:37] units for sale at market value um they

[24:41] are town homes so we're not looking at

[24:43] apartments or

[24:45] condos uh here is a little bit closer of

[24:48] the northern section I did want to point

[24:51] out this is what's being proposed for

[24:53] Access so there's two access points uh

[24:55] one on Manor Drive and one on elag gundo

[24:58] um this is in order to accommodate fire

[25:01] as well as trash uh so

[25:04] it's required essentially in order for

[25:06] it to be safe and

[25:09] accessible uh they are currently

[25:11] proposing 60 garage stalls for the

[25:13] residents as well as an additional 12

[25:15] open stalls on the Northern section

[25:17] Alone um right now as far as we can tell

[25:21] there if if it were to come under just

[25:23] the objective design standards we would

[25:24] require 45 roughly stalls so they're

[25:27] well in except ESS of

[25:29] that uh the southern site is similar uh

[25:32] there's only one entrance on this um but

[25:34] if you take a look you can see that it

[25:36] does loop around and there are turning

[25:38] points for fire and for trash um there's

[25:42] a few more stalls on the southern

[25:44] section than there are in the northern

[25:46] uh there's 66 for residents there's

[25:49] eight open for guests and residents uh

[25:51] right now it looks as if there would be

[25:53] 51 required under the objective

[25:56] standards um two important things to

[25:59] note uh the primary one here is that

[26:01] 129th is completely closed off uh there

[26:04] will be no vehicular access uh from

[26:07] 129th into the project there will be a

[26:10] propos there is a proposed retaining

[26:11] wall that will be put in place there uh

[26:14] to limit any visual impacts that may

[26:19] occur um at this time we do want to

[26:22] recommend that the Planning Commission

[26:24] adopt a notice of exemption MPC

[26:26] resolution 20245 with the conditions uh

[26:29] approving subdivision application 2024

[26:34] 002 thank you does the Planning

[26:37] Commission have any questions for

[26:40] staff I have a question so today we are

[26:44] just voting on taking this from 15 Lots

[26:49] down to two correct yes that is correct

[26:53] when the build is going to take place

[26:57] and permits are going to need to be

[27:00] issued I'm assuming this is when we get

[27:03] into the is there going to be turn lanes

[27:05] are there going to be all of these types

[27:07] of questions that get a little deeper

[27:08] into the minutia than for this right now

[27:11] or is this the time to ask this is the

[27:13] only time this will this project will be

[27:16] in front of the commission unless

[27:18] there's an appeal of some sort that

[27:19] requires it to come back um this this

[27:23] building permits have already been

[27:24] approved no no let me let me add that um

[27:27] the applicant is already met with the

[27:29] public works department to discuss turn

[27:31] lanes and that sort of thing and they've

[27:32] come to an agreement on how that will be

[27:35] how that will be done so there will be

[27:37] adjustments on elag Boulevard to

[27:39] accommodate the properties okay and

[27:41] those are those are reflected in in the

[27:43] propos in the resolution before you um

[27:46] we incorporated all of the requests from

[27:49] the public works department in order to

[27:50] ensure that I know I know I read it I'm

[27:54] just asking so other people here can

[27:56] hear it right I don't know if they read

[27:59] the staff

[28:00] report Ruby well yeah you go ahead well

[28:05] now do you raise another question for me

[28:07] so as you mentioned right now today

[28:09] we're voting simply to combine these

[28:11] Parcels but you're also stating that we

[28:13] won't see this project again before it's

[28:15] approved to go into build phase so is

[28:18] there ever will there be a point where

[28:20] there's a design review that no so so

[28:23] this project is exempt from design

[28:24] review and that's based on the housing

[28:27] overlay section that was added by city

[28:29] council um so the housing overlay is

[28:32] specifically Exempted but it does have

[28:34] to meet uh objective design standards so

[28:38] along with that housing overlay Edition

[28:40] there was another addition of an entire

[28:43] chapter devoted to those objective

[28:45] design standards uh so those standards

[28:47] will apply to like the project we have

[28:50] before us within the housing overlay and

[28:52] also apply to the multitude of different

[28:54] types of affordable housing applications

[28:56] that that require objective design

[28:59] standards got

[29:03] okay I know this is going to seem

[29:08] repetitive so just to be

[29:11] clear we're only

[29:13] voting to have the two partials correct

[29:16] correct okay and you're also saying that

[29:21] it's administerial

[29:23] then the rest of it since because of

[29:26] Raina and the house in element Am I am I

[29:31] reading you correct on that

[29:33] ministerial meaning that the decision

[29:36] has no opportunity for discretion

[29:38] whatsoever it's simply a matter of does

[29:41] it meet the codes this is um this is the

[29:44] outcome of the state laws and the need

[29:47] to accommodate our um Regional Housing

[29:50] needs um assessment that was part of the

[29:52] housing element in order to hit the

[29:54] numbers that the state requires we had

[29:56] to designate certain properties

[29:58] properties around the city that were

[29:59] likely to be developed and were

[30:01] appropriate for

[30:02] residential into these um housing

[30:05] overlay and the housing overlay sets a

[30:08] standard that is 30 units to the acre

[30:10] this is under that I believe slightly um

[30:14] but the housing overlay does not specify

[30:16] that it has to be Town Homes ownership

[30:19] it could be apartments and it doesn't

[30:21] say that it has to be affordable these

[30:22] are not affordable these are market rate

[30:24] units if it were affordable we would

[30:27] have even less control control over the

[30:28] situation there would be no control on

[30:30] density no control on height no control

[30:33] on anything so I think that the question

[30:37] before you in addition to just making it

[30:39] two Parcels is you're Paving the way for

[30:41] this only to be a ownership

[30:44] project now any of

[30:47] these Town Homes being

[30:50] developed are they going into the

[30:52] numbers yeah all all housing that's

[30:55] built will count in some fashion these

[30:57] are not accounting is Affordable these

[30:58] are market rate there is a category for

[31:00] market rate and since we're still very

[31:02] early in our excuse me in our housing

[31:05] cycle these will count after we achieve

[31:08] our goal in the market rate any any

[31:10] additional market rate housing just is

[31:12] not going to count but we wouldn't stop

[31:14] it from being

[31:15] developed but this one these will all

[31:18] count absolutely so they will count but

[31:20] they won't be affordable right these

[31:22] your market rate none of them not we

[31:26] haven't asked for any to be

[31:31] okay are we able to put conditions

[31:34] though at all what well it depends what

[31:37] sort of conditions you're you're looking

[31:39] any conditions that you make have to

[31:40] have an access to the application the

[31:42] application is 15 to2 Lots so if you can

[31:46] find a way to make that connection to

[31:48] the 15 to2 lot problem you can have a

[31:52] condition anything else is not going to

[31:53] be permitted I'm just actually my

[31:56] concern is always about parking

[31:58] yeah and is there a way of just making

[32:02] sure that there's some type of parking

[32:06] agreement within this development some

[32:09] type of parking agreement no because

[32:12] that you can't make the Nexus that that

[32:14] has anything to do with the number of

[32:15] Lots now the applicant has taken it upon

[32:17] themselves to provide Surplus parking

[32:20] considerable amount of surplus parking

[32:22] and every unit has assigned parking in a

[32:24] garage in addition to guest parking on

[32:26] the outside so um they've kind of taken

[32:30] the the issue off the table to some

[32:34] extent I I did see that yeah and I did

[32:37] appreciate all that because I saw the

[32:39] tandem parking I saw the two two-car

[32:41] garage I saw the Surplus which is

[32:44] wonderful but I just want to get a

[32:47] clarification did you just say that it

[32:49] could be

[32:51] changed so these these plans are

[32:53] preliminary yes um you know that that is

[32:58] the nature of this sort of development

[33:00] is that these are preliminary and these

[33:02] were added essentially to assure the

[33:05] commi the Commissioners as well as the

[33:07] public that's here today of what exactly

[33:09] the developers are trying to do here um

[33:13] you know this this was viewed largely as

[33:16] a very good project compared to other

[33:20] ideas that were that were seen and that

[33:22] were proposed um especially as far as

[33:24] density of of dwelling units goes um

[33:30] yes it may change that that's always

[33:33] that's a possibility in this situation

[33:36] um again though you come to the issue of

[33:39] trying to connect any requirements for

[33:42] parking with the actual project in front

[33:45] of us of the the merge but when you say

[33:50] change that means that although you say

[33:52] that there's going to be two car garages

[33:55] two tandem parking so forth or spaces

[33:58] are

[34:00] those can the

[34:02] developer come back and say no parking

[34:05] outside I'll just get the 35 guest

[34:08] parking outside and that's it they have

[34:10] to meet the objective design standards

[34:12] which do address parking okay okay so so

[34:15] all that it may change but no matter

[34:18] what in order to have a building permit

[34:20] issued to them to start construction to

[34:22] get a certificate of occupancy they have

[34:24] to meet the objective design standards

[34:27] and what about the vegetation itself

[34:29] that's part of the objective design

[34:31] standards it's

[34:32] Incorporated is there anything stady

[34:34] maybe like every 10 parking spaces we

[34:37] can at least have a tree or something or

[34:39] something tied down to just to make sure

[34:41] that we have something there there I I I

[34:43] apologize I don't remember what the

[34:45] design standard for trees and parking

[34:46] lots is but um they are codified into

[34:49] the municipal code and the question is

[34:51] does it meet the code requirements or

[34:53] not and that's the decision we'll make

[34:55] when we get the

[34:56] application and again there's not a

[34:58] clear access to the map at this

[35:01] point okay no more questions for

[35:06] me any questions for you

[35:09] J

[35:11] okay is the applicant present and do

[35:15] they wish to

[35:18] speak you

[35:30] good evening chair Richard members of

[35:31] the commission my name is Chad Brown um

[35:33] I'm vice president planning and

[35:35] development for a private home builder

[35:37] company named Malia

[35:39] holes

[35:42] um where's

[35:48] myON

[35:54] thanks let's roll please

[35:58] so Malia holes is as I said is a private

[36:00] home builder um we have developed homes

[36:04] in southern LA County Orange County

[36:07] Northern San Diego County um we are a

[36:10] for sale Builder we're not an apartment

[36:12] Construction Company um so everything

[36:15] that we do is a product that is for sale

[36:18] to Future homeowners and um I've been uh

[36:22] working as an infill uh builder for 13

[36:26] years from aah homes prior to that I

[36:28] work for the City of Laguna Nigel and

[36:29] the County of Orange in the planning

[36:31] departments um so I'm very familiar with

[36:33] infill and compatibility and some of the

[36:36] challenges that come along with infill

[36:38] developments um and the project that we

[36:40] have before us tonight is is is

[36:43] something that is a result of um the

[36:48] housing overlay and the state housing

[36:51] element and uh city of city of

[36:54] Hawthorne's General plan uh housing

[36:56] element updates so forth that have come

[36:58] on but again we're looking at it from a

[37:01] standpoint for Quality development and

[37:04] quality from a quality Builder um the

[37:06] slide in front of you are two recent

[37:08] projects that Malia Holmes has

[37:09] constructed one is in the city of

[37:11] Gardina uh the top two photos are those

[37:13] of the city of Gardina or Moneta Point

[37:15] project that was 84 homes um on an old

[37:20] ironically enough a nursery site uh that

[37:23] existed in Gardina um the bottom the

[37:25] bottom two photos before you are uh what

[37:28] the city of Anaheim again three-story

[37:31] row Town Homes home ownership um you see

[37:35] uh kind of the front entry the Poo as

[37:37] well as the landscape and the right

[37:39] photo is that of something similar to

[37:42] what to what we're proposing here for

[37:43] Recreation Area some shelter some play

[37:46] space and some outdoor tables and a

[37:48] barbecue uh tabletop um for the

[37:51] residents on each site to be able to

[37:53] enjoy there's one proposed on both of

[37:55] those and I'll I'll get into that a

[37:56] little bit further

[38:02] as we talked about uh and and staff

[38:05] presented this is the hawthor nursery

[38:07] site uh just a Stones Throw here from

[38:09] City Hall and is it it is um one of the

[38:13] many sites throughout the city that have

[38:15] been selected with the housing overlay

[38:17] um that has D carries a density range of

[38:20] 20 to 30 units per acre um so this site

[38:23] could potentially have up to 94 units on

[38:25] it combined it's about 3 .4 3.3 Acres um

[38:30] we're proposing a total of 68 homes on

[38:33] these um again it's because the homes

[38:36] when they are for sale they need to be

[38:38] marketable they need to be attractive

[38:40] and they need to be have a want for

[38:42] people to come and invest their their

[38:44] their monies and their future with them

[38:45] and we recognize that and we therefore

[38:49] they range in size I'll cover that a

[38:52] little bit further but they range in

[38:53] size of something from one two three and

[38:56] four bedroom homes um two car garages

[38:59] two car garages with Tandem and single

[39:01] car garages but every home has a has an

[39:03] attached garage with it with direct

[39:06] access into the house into their

[39:08] personal house um the nursery site was

[39:12] selected um by the city as a part of it

[39:15] and we uh were contacted um they reached

[39:19] out various Brokers reached out to Malia

[39:22] homes see if we're interested in it um

[39:24] and uh we put some information and uh

[39:28] obviously a plan together uh make sure

[39:30] it works economically that it chased the

[39:32] level of of uh of quality um and uh and

[39:36] we're we decided to move forward with

[39:39] it um again this is a result of the uh

[39:43] General plan it's a result of the

[39:45] housing overlay and it's a result of the

[39:47] state as uh as Mr mlan has mentioned um

[39:51] but it also follows the adopted mixed

[39:55] use and multif family govern guidelines

[39:57] the objective guidelines that the city

[39:59] has adopted to make sure it has ample

[40:01] parking to make sure that is set back

[40:03] proper distances to make sure that it's

[40:05] designed properly um we have uh we have

[40:09] included all of that with

[40:12] it

[40:13] so as been as has been indicated U the

[40:18] what's before you tonight is the

[40:19] subdivision of this property the

[40:22] subdivision is required in order for the

[40:24] project to be for sale um we have to go

[40:27] go through the department of real estate

[40:28] State of California process condo maps

[40:32] and they need to be related to a map

[40:34] process if if we were to build rental

[40:37] units or build apartments or proposed to

[40:40] build apartments on this property we

[40:42] wouldn't be here tonight the fact that

[40:44] this is for sale and we're asking for

[40:46] the subdivision map to be approved is

[40:49] that this is a for sale project and not

[40:51] something that is for

[40:54] rent the site itself as I said is a

[40:57] little over three acres and could

[40:59] potentially have up to 94 units on it

[41:02] based upon the housing overlay density

[41:07] allowances the map is providing for

[41:10] easement dedications to increase the

[41:13] parkway widths around all perimeter of

[41:16] the site meaning the sidewalks will be

[41:17] improved with a six- foot sidewalk and a

[41:19] 4-ft landscape planter outside of the

[41:22] perimeter walls um with the exception of

[41:24] 129th Street where that street and

[41:27] Parkway are currently fairly narrow and

[41:30] the current Parkway is 7 ft That

[41:33] Sidewalk will be improved to a full

[41:35] width 7 foot sidewalk with planter Wells

[41:39] for trees to be planted every 50 feet on

[41:42] Center um up at the elevation of 129th

[41:45] Street along what would be the southerly

[41:47] boundary of this of this project

[42:06] and again as staff has pointed out

[42:07] although not subject of the

[42:09] discretionary action before you tonight

[42:12] um I thought that it would be a good

[42:14] idea to present to the Planning

[42:16] Commission a little bit greater detail

[42:18] of the project that we are proposing

[42:21] with the pro with the subdivision map

[42:23] and what it would look like how it will

[42:25] live and some of the amenities and the

[42:27] thought that has gone behind it um I

[42:29] would like to add that I'm a little bit

[42:32] surprised by the turnout of the

[42:34] residents that are behind

[42:38] me back when we initially started

[42:41] looking at this property in January

[42:43] February earlier this year um part of

[42:46] our due diligence research is I send out

[42:49] letters to all property owners that are

[42:53] directly and this may be a little bit of

[42:56] the confusion side the property owners

[42:58] that are directly adjacent to or

[43:00] directly across from the project area to

[43:03] solicit input to solicit comments to

[43:06] provide for them some basic information

[43:09] about what we are proposing to do um and

[43:12] that all goes in line with me talking

[43:14] with the city staff and and and

[43:17] understanding what the regulations are

[43:19] but I reached out and I'll go into this

[43:21] in Greater detail if we want to discuss

[43:23] about the Outreach that was done on this

[43:26] but it started in February um I had uh

[43:29] multiple calls and discussions with many

[43:32] neighbors mostly generated from manner

[43:35] Drive uh directly to the west of the

[43:37] site of lot one of the proposed

[43:40] subdivision um lot two I only heard from

[43:43] one resident um on the north side of 129

[43:46] or the South side of 129th Street above

[43:48] the site um so I'm I'm surprised by I I

[43:52] been shared with some of the emails and

[43:54] information and so forth uh regarding

[43:56] some of the concern

[43:57] and I hope that this will help alleviate

[43:59] some of those concerns with the uh with

[44:02] me showing you the plans as they go

[44:04] through so what you're looking at is a

[44:06] conceptual landscape plan uh for the

[44:09] project um it has interior PES as you

[44:13] can see uh many places between buildings

[44:16] it's a little bit small but tucked away

[44:18] on the right side of your screen um the

[44:22] bottom right hand corner is an area

[44:24] dedicated to an outdoor Turf play area

[44:26] for small children that's where the uh

[44:29] at trellis uh shade structure would be

[44:31] provided with some outdoor barbecue

[44:33] areas and some tables um bike racks and

[44:36] so forth as well um the South site has

[44:39] much of the same it's more of a central

[44:41] location on the south site right in the

[44:43] center of the project is where you see

[44:45] the turf green um there's sitting

[44:47] benches there's landscaping and again

[44:49] it's a shade structure with a barbecue

[44:51] outdoor dining area for future residents

[44:58] one of the things I want to point to as

[45:00] a result of my meetings with the

[45:02] homeowners on Manor Drive is I'm going

[45:05] to back up for a second because you're

[45:06] going to see an arrow pop up on the

[45:08] North on the west Edge on the west Edge

[45:11] the landscaping that's being placed or

[45:13] proposed along this Edge is proposed to

[45:16] be well it is on this plan is an

[45:18] evergreen type of tree more of a

[45:20] vertical type of tree um that would Pro

[45:23] and we've spaced them much tighter

[45:24] together than other places around the

[45:27] site and that again is for the Privacy

[45:29] uh and protection of privacy to the

[45:31] existing homeowners along Manor Drive

[45:33] and that occurs both on the west Edge

[45:35] where the arrow is shown as well as here

[45:37] on the North edge of it um where we've

[45:39] taken that that proposed landscape and

[45:42] condensed it down so it creates a uh a

[45:45] much nicer a denser screen so to speak

[45:47] for uh for privacy the homes that are

[45:51] proposed are three story in height um

[45:54] they're about 38 ft total height to the

[45:56] pitched roof it's not a flat roof um but

[45:59] they are uh three-story in height so

[46:02] there would be bedrooms up on the third

[46:04] level there are no outdoor decks there

[46:07] are no outdoor roof decks on the third

[46:09] level nor the roof but there are decks

[46:11] um from the primary living area off the

[46:14] living room at the second story so these

[46:17] trees um while they'll go in rather

[46:20] young um we would be willing to put them

[46:23] in at A Min at a at a 12ft minimum

[46:25] height upon installation um that's

[46:27] something I discussed with the neighbors

[46:28] in my meetings with them uh earlier or I

[46:31] guess early last

[46:33] month the site plans for each of the

[46:36] sites uh staff showed you a portion of

[46:39] these um this is the layout the

[46:42] circulation that's proposed um I wanted

[46:44] to highlight there's 35 units on on the

[46:49] uh South site and there's with parking

[46:53] the total of I'm sorry 38 units on the

[46:55] south site with total of 74 parking

[46:57] stalls there's 35 units on the North

[47:00] portion of the site with uh with the

[47:02] resulting 72 parking stalls and again

[47:05] this is each home has an enclosed

[47:07] two-car garage the one-bedroom unit has

[47:10] a onecar enclosed garage but there are

[47:12] also as noted in the staff report or on

[47:15] the plans um open parking stalls

[47:17] dedicated to guest parking and so forth

[47:19] and I want to get to your question and

[47:21] and respond to that later on about

[47:23] parking and ccnr as and homeowners

[47:25] association and so forth

[47:27] um there are four different floor plans

[47:30] and those four floor plans that are

[47:32] proposed are configured in si six

[47:34] different buildings so it's not a

[47:36] repetitive uh building over and over and

[47:38] over again there is some unique uh

[47:40] characteristics to each of the buildings

[47:42] with articulation and design for each of

[47:46] them um both of these Lots uh

[47:51] individually and collectively exceed the

[47:53] minimum number of parking spaces that

[47:55] are required by your code um within the

[47:58] city and the floor plans range anywhere

[48:01] between 986 Square ft up to,

[48:04] 19922 square feet for the four-bedroom

[48:08] unit elevation wise uh I'm showing you a

[48:12] a proposed material and uh color board

[48:17] um illustrating the proposed building

[48:19] types this is shown building type

[48:21] a um that uh with the colors that are

[48:26] intended to be cohesive create breakup

[48:28] of mass um and complimentary color

[48:31] palette um with trim contrasts uh to add

[48:34] depth and so forth to the

[48:38] design the next this slide and the next

[48:41] one are this is a building type c um

[48:44] it's all cohesive they're not

[48:45] individually unique but they are all

[48:47] different um types A through F of the

[48:49] buildings they just have different unit

[48:51] uh configurations uh making them each

[48:55] building labeled as they

[48:57] are and this is building type

[49:02] f the next slide is showing you

[49:06] basically a street scene from elsag

[49:08] gundo Boulevard um the top photo is that

[49:11] looking West the bottom photo is that

[49:12] looking East and we've had uh our

[49:16] architect provide some perspectives of

[49:19] what that may look like in the future if

[49:22] the project uh ultimately goes forward

[49:24] as it's currently designed

[49:27] and this is elsag gundo Boulevard

[49:29] looking towards the West so gravelia

[49:32] Street if I pronounce that properly and

[49:34] I hope so um is there shown on the right

[49:38] side uh that's the intersection of

[49:40] gravelia and elsag gundo Boulevard and

[49:44] uh the fire station would be directly to

[49:46] the right side of the photo perspective

[49:48] location this is the proposed project

[49:51] looking East um along elaga Boulevard

[49:55] the street to the left is uh that of

[49:59] Manor drive on the left hand

[50:03] side different per different perspective

[50:06] this is the gravelia street Frontage and

[50:09] I always try to screen back landscaping

[50:11] or have the architect screen back

[50:12] Landscaping in this so that I'm not

[50:14] hiding the building um it's not

[50:16] something that if you if I can show all

[50:19] the greencape and so forth and you won't

[50:20] see what's behind

[50:22] it same thing for this is at the Manor

[50:25] or looking towards The Manor

[50:28] intersection uh from uh from elun to

[50:33] Boulevard again uh I thank you for your

[50:36] time I do ask for your approval of this

[50:38] project tonight um of the vest intended

[50:41] of track map it has the result of a

[50:44] landing in a for sale project as opposed

[50:46] to Apartments if we were to go away

[50:48] there's a potentially other buyers that

[50:50] would come in that would look to do

[50:52] Apartments here and they have the

[50:53] ability to do that by right um we're

[50:56] we're wanting to and asking for your

[50:58] approval to move forward with the

[50:59] subdivision map so that we can develop

[51:02] and invest into the City and create

[51:04] pride of ownership in the city like many

[51:05] of these homeowners here have me and

[51:07] their concerns is a result of them

[51:11] having pride in where they live and

[51:13] having invested economic interest in it

[51:16] um we are trying to create more

[51:18] opportunity for more residents of hathor

[51:20] to have that same ownership

[51:24] capabilities um we have read the

[51:26] condition of approval and I'm uh and we

[51:29] are accepting of them and again I ask

[51:30] for your affirmative approval tonight

[51:34] thank you you thank you go ahead just G

[51:40] to claric yeah questions of a go go for

[51:43] I just want to you said four you I'm not

[51:45] sure if this was an accident or not or a

[51:47] mistake you said four bedrooms I thought

[51:49] it was only up to three bedrooms no

[51:51] there's a there's a four bedom unit

[51:53] there four bom there's one two three and

[51:55] four bedroom units it's lower in there's

[51:57] less of the four bedrooms but yes there

[51:59] is a four-bedroom unit the 1922 foot is

[52:02] a four-bedroom unit yes okay I was

[52:04] unaware of that go ahead got

[52:08] umle questions just um as we've

[52:12] mentioned as far as these projects go

[52:14] you have these uh these drawings that

[52:15] you presented to us here today um in

[52:17] your past projects have you seen much

[52:20] variation between what you present

[52:21] versus what ends up being

[52:24] constructed the answer to that is no

[52:27] because as what we what we do is we've

[52:29] based all of our research all of our due

[52:31] diligence and all of our designs based

[52:33] upon work that gets us to this point

[52:35] today for us to go back and change would

[52:38] be a a drastic move um and something

[52:41] that we quite frankly don't want to do

[52:43] we want to build the project that we've

[52:45] designed and and are wanting to stand

[52:47] behind and put before you tonight got

[52:49] you apprciate

[52:51] it um from breaking ground till end of

[52:54] project is it going in phases like how

[52:56] long do you think total it would be

[52:58] under construction so the phasing of the

[53:01] project is somewhat tough to tough to

[53:04] describe because it is Market dependent

[53:07] um but essentially from the time we bake

[53:10] break ground to the time that we might

[53:12] start the first vertical construction of

[53:14] model homes that would be viewed for

[53:16] sales is probably six months of ground

[53:20] grading infrastructure Improvement sewer

[53:23] water storm drain um and things of that

[53:25] nature and then we would start the

[53:26] vertical construction for the model

[53:28] homes um and each home each home phase

[53:32] takes approximately four to seven months

[53:36] to

[53:37] complete and if sales go well we would

[53:40] overlap in some areas uh so that time

[53:42] frame could be

[53:44] condensed but from initial construction

[53:47] beginning to buildout would be probably

[53:50] approximately two years the number of

[53:53] phases that we have placed in this is a

[53:55] model home phase phase which is on the

[53:58] south site and four construction phases

[54:01] thank

[54:02] you sorry I did have a couple one more

[54:05] questions where I know you mentioned you

[54:06] were going to go into a bit more detail

[54:08] about the notification of the residents

[54:10] yeah so um I notic you mentioned you

[54:12] said you started doing reach out to the

[54:14] residents in about February so I was

[54:16] just wondering when you when did you

[54:19] meet with this city that you got the

[54:21] idea that hey this was something we're

[54:22] going to move forward with I want to

[54:24] know the diff like how long it was

[54:26] between you spoke with the city and said

[54:28] hey this is something we're going to

[54:29] move forward with before you actually

[54:30] reached out to the first set of

[54:32] residents oh we reached we reached out

[54:34] to the residents prior to um prior to

[54:39] any formal application being submitted

[54:41] with the city okay and and if I can show

[54:44] you

[54:45] me so in in January and basically I

[54:50] think it was like January 20th 27th or

[54:53] so is it for this year or is it yes this

[54:55] year okay I just 2024 okay um is what

[54:58] you're seeing on your screen I know you

[55:00] can't read it but I've seen them many of

[55:02] them have them in their hands tonight um

[55:04] is a letter introduction letter of Malia

[55:07] Holmes introducing us our project and a

[55:11] basic layout much and much hasn't

[55:13] changed from January where we initially

[55:15] started a due diligence in a layout it's

[55:17] gotten more detailed if anything um but

[55:21] so the initial letter had a description

[55:23] of the project the number of homes that

[55:25] were being proposed that would they were

[55:27] for sale please reach out and contact me

[55:29] if you have any comments or concerns um

[55:33] the mailing list that I went out to

[55:36] is the sites are shown in yellow um all

[55:40] the properties where you see the little

[55:42] red dots were the property owners were

[55:45] my letter went to it doesn't have

[55:47] anything to do with the 300 foot radius

[55:49] mailing list that is uh required by law

[55:52] for public notice and public

[55:54] hearings so as a result of my letter I

[55:58] received phone calls from approximately

[56:00] seven to eight people um only one person

[56:03] on 129th his name was Richard Dragon is

[56:06] is what I took down um and I believe he

[56:09] lived almost directly Center behind it

[56:11] on 129th um most of the residents that I

[56:14] heard from were those located on Manor

[56:17] Drive and so in uh what you see that's

[56:21] highlighted yellow I'm giving you raw

[56:23] data right this is right off my computer

[56:25] um so I had a meeting we scheduled a

[56:28] meeting and uh met with the uh residents

[56:31] and the they organized their meeting for

[56:34] me were kind enough to invite me into

[56:35] their house um Mr oros baked cookies and

[56:39] goods and we we spent about two hours

[56:42] together um reviewing the proposed plans

[56:45] um I know that they had some concerns

[56:47] I've I hope that I've Al alleviated

[56:49] those with parking and with the

[56:51] landscape proposals to protect their

[56:53] views um but what you see highlighted in

[56:56] yellow are those that had sent this

[56:57] letter to that were also in attendance

[56:59] at that meeting okay on June 11th oh got

[57:03] gotcha

[57:04] okay I can provide to you in the future

[57:07] uh this is the this is a

[57:09] chronological uh basically synopsis of

[57:12] all the contact that I had um that's

[57:15] there on the left and the comment uh the

[57:19] the June 11th 2024 on the right hand

[57:22] side is basically a summary of the

[57:24] takeaway from that meeting that we had

[57:26] in June and then there's the sign-in

[57:28] sheet that's shown at the very bottom

[57:30] where the where the neighbors were uh in

[57:33] case we wanted to contact each other and

[57:35] so forth and I did I sent out a thank

[57:36] you letter following that um then it

[57:40] gets into other stuff in case other

[57:41] questions but I have I wanted to have

[57:43] this for reference appreciate it as well

[57:45] thank you um commissioner Cohen you also

[57:47] had a question that you'd mentioned

[57:49] about the parking the garages if there

[57:52] if it's well if we could encourage some

[57:55] type of parking agreement you also

[57:56] mentioned it was going to be an HOA yes

[57:59] is there going to be a well let's start

[58:01] with the parking agreement um would you

[58:05] be up for that to have a parking

[58:08] agreement within that Association just

[58:10] to make sure there's no conflict

[58:12] between uh homeowners and so forth

[58:15] because it can be a problem later is

[58:17] what we have as a standard and I would

[58:20] accept as would accept as a condition is

[58:24] that the cc&rs

[58:26] that would be created for this project

[58:29] every homeowners association is

[58:31] basically bound and operated by Covenant

[58:34] conditions and restrictions

[58:35] cc&rs and that's part of the Dr process

[58:38] of of creating town homes and selling

[58:41] them um individually the ccrs our

[58:45] standard ccnr that's why I wanted to

[58:47] bring it up our standard ccrs have

[58:49] requirements in them that stipulates

[58:53] that garages if it's a two-car garage

[58:55] they're required Park two cars in it

[58:57] that can't be blocked for storage or

[58:59] other things if it's a onecar garage

[59:01] that one car space needs to be provided

[59:03] for a vehicle inside of it not not for

[59:06] boxes and storage and everything else so

[59:09] I mean it is a standard and I'm I'm

[59:11] happy to if you I stipulate that uh that

[59:15] our cc&rs will require that garages be

[59:17] used for parking of vehicles and not for

[59:19] storage okay well my concern actually

[59:22] really is besides the spaces in side the

[59:27] garage I'm really concerned about the

[59:29] outside parking because it's always a

[59:33] problem um if there can be in your ccnr

[59:38] not the bylaws not into the rules either

[59:40] because rules can always be changed but

[59:42] I'm actually talking about the actual

[59:43] ccnr itself if you can maybe put some

[59:47] I'm so sorry oh my God after we told

[59:54] everybody um

[59:57] it was actually on silent I don't know

[59:59] what

[59:59] happened

[1:00:01] um so anyways if it can be in the cc&rs

[1:00:05] it'll be greatly appreciated something

[1:00:07] to the fact of the parking spaces that

[1:00:09] are outside they could maybe get maybe a

[1:00:12] 2 point what is what's the calculation

[1:00:15] is it 1.75 or something like that the

[1:00:18] calculation for parking spaces something

[1:00:21] basically saying every homeowner can get

[1:00:26] two

[1:00:27] well it's going to be kind of difficult

[1:00:30] here because you said that some of the

[1:00:32] homes only have

[1:00:35] one car garage correct the one-bedroom

[1:00:38] units have a one car garage correct

[1:00:42] okay if it can stipulate something to

[1:00:45] the fact of

[1:00:48] 2 s or something like that or 2.3

[1:00:52] parking

[1:00:53] spaces belongs to each home

[1:00:57] owner and

[1:00:59] 13 or whatever to also the one and the

[1:01:04] reason why I'm saying that is because if

[1:01:07] there is an

[1:01:08] overflow every resident can actually get

[1:01:11] a parking space outside and I'm actually

[1:01:13] using points and I know it's like why

[1:01:15] don't you just round it up I get that

[1:01:18] but it's better if you just do a point

[1:01:20] where everybody or every resident has a

[1:01:23] right to park outside

[1:01:27] they do an extra parking space if they

[1:01:29] need it after using the two-part garage

[1:01:31] I'm just kind of recommending

[1:01:33] that if that makes any sense that's well

[1:01:35] that's the purpose of the open parking

[1:01:37] stalls that are provided on each of the

[1:01:39] sites as it is okay well because I it's

[1:01:42] exceeding it's exceeding the city's

[1:01:44] standard requirements of parking by

[1:01:47] providing the open parking spaces

[1:01:49] outside of the garage correct I know

[1:01:51] that I I I do understand that but I'm

[1:01:54] just saying it'll just help at viate

[1:01:56] resident against resident and then them

[1:01:59] putting rules out and then it's going to

[1:02:01] create chaos within the community for

[1:02:04] parking trust me I know that for a fact

[1:02:07] uh when it goes with HOAs if that makes

[1:02:09] any sense am I making sense here yes but

[1:02:10] I think you're you're deviating pretty

[1:02:12] far from a subdivision map well I know I

[1:02:16] was just asking if he I'm just giving a

[1:02:18] recommendation an encouragement you

[1:02:20] don't have to do that but it just

[1:02:22] alleviates a lot of problems all of the

[1:02:26] ccnr that are adopted throughout the

[1:02:29] city are reviewed by the city um

[1:02:31] attorney's office and we always make

[1:02:34] sure that you know the parking is

[1:02:36] addressed in there and that in this case

[1:02:38] they have Surplus parking per def code

[1:02:41] definition so the issues that you're

[1:02:43] raising may not even be happening here

[1:02:47] other very rare that anybody builds a

[1:02:49] development with Surplus parking and I

[1:02:51] think in those other examples that

[1:02:53] you're familiar with the reason there's

[1:02:55] disputes between the residents is

[1:02:57] because there's not as much parking as

[1:02:59] this one has can I can I ask you a

[1:03:01] question yeah this is this development

[1:03:04] sounds very similar to me like 360 and

[1:03:06] fusion that are in Hawthorne could you

[1:03:08] tell me the comparisons to this project

[1:03:11] versus those of of kind of what just so

[1:03:14] we can get an idea because I I live

[1:03:16] basically on either side of those yeah

[1:03:17] um I'm not as familiar with Fusion 360

[1:03:20] was developed with a mix of uh apartment

[1:03:23] flats that are condos but they they like

[1:03:26] you know multiple floors and each unit

[1:03:29] has is just on one floor and town homes

[1:03:32] this one is all town homes so they're a

[1:03:34] little bit different in that regard um I

[1:03:36] cannot speak to the parking at this time

[1:03:38] because I would have to go back and

[1:03:39] review the old but I I don't recall them

[1:03:42] providing excess parking for for those

[1:03:45] projects I think they were built to code

[1:03:47] okay thank

[1:03:50] you okay were there any other questions

[1:03:52] of the applicant

[1:03:55] oh no yeah no none from the not for the

[1:03:59] Commissioners well on the there's

[1:04:01] there's only gonna be one entrance on

[1:04:02] that other side correct you said there's

[1:04:04] only going to be one entrance to the

[1:04:06] South side which is lot two of the map

[1:04:09] yes there's there's a single entrance

[1:04:11] off of uh elsag Gunda

[1:04:14] Boulevard and that was by

[1:04:17] Design okay well one I just I mean I

[1:04:20] know we haven't made a decision yet but

[1:04:22] I do thank

[1:04:23] you um for

[1:04:26] actually it seems like this project was

[1:04:28] really thought out instead of you

[1:04:30] building 94 homes you actually

[1:04:33] considered to do 60 something eight

[1:04:38] uh 68 homes correct which is

[1:04:41] appreciated

[1:04:43] um and it's also for sale not for rent

[1:04:47] which is also a

[1:04:49] plus

[1:04:50] um I would hold all your thank yous

[1:04:52] because we got a lot of well no no no no

[1:04:54] I'm just saying that there are some pros

[1:04:57] here that he could have had it I

[1:05:00] understand Apartments so basically you

[1:05:02] know we want to put people also in homes

[1:05:04] as well that's something that we want to

[1:05:06] also encourage I understand I'm just

[1:05:08] saying we still have the public that's

[1:05:09] going to make their comments before you

[1:05:12] yeah okay but

[1:05:14] um that is it for

[1:05:17] me thank you very much okay so is there

[1:05:21] anyone else who wishes to address the

[1:05:23] commission on this issue this would be

[1:05:26] everyone's time yeah please make a line

[1:05:28] in the

[1:05:32] midle hello uh my name is Fred ovadia I

[1:05:37] own the property on

[1:05:39] 4555 West 29th Street which is on the

[1:05:44] boundary of uh one of the uh the

[1:05:48] southern part of of of the lot that's

[1:05:50] going to be from uh 15 lots to

[1:05:53] two um so I I have some concerns one I

[1:05:58] never received a letter that said by uh

[1:06:03] uh millia homes so I never received that

[1:06:06] letter and I'm on the boundary uh I

[1:06:09] don't live at the property I rent that

[1:06:12] property out so maybe that's why I

[1:06:13] didn't get the L okay um I'm concerned

[1:06:19] since I'm at the boundary of the

[1:06:21] height uh so I mean he's he's doing

[1:06:26] uh three stories high so that's going to

[1:06:29] block uh Sunshine that's coming in from

[1:06:32] the

[1:06:33] East um that's another concern and then

[1:06:37] the traffic you know I didn't see any

[1:06:40] traffic light on elsag gundo Boulevard

[1:06:43] that's a very you know uh heavy used uh

[1:06:48] Boulevard there's a lot of traffic

[1:06:50] that's going on and if people wants to

[1:06:52] make for example a turn

[1:06:55] uh from like a left turn going into the

[1:06:58] South Side that's uh that's you know

[1:07:03] it's very dangerous so that's another

[1:07:05] thing

[1:07:08] um and

[1:07:10] then the parking space okay you know

[1:07:13] let's consider a holiday okay or a

[1:07:15] weekend people coming in and visiting uh

[1:07:21] families in that uh

[1:07:23] neighborhood there is not going to be

[1:07:25] enough paring spaces for

[1:07:28] them

[1:07:30] so um those are the three areas that I

[1:07:33] have concerns

[1:07:35] on and it would have been very nice you

[1:07:39] know I mean he he said only one person

[1:07:41] on the southern side of the lot uh

[1:07:44] basically you know called him well maybe

[1:07:47] because you know I didn't get the letter

[1:07:50] and I'm sure other people didn't get the

[1:07:52] letter as

[1:07:53] well thank you before

[1:07:55] U what was your name one more time red

[1:07:59] ovadia oov V A A gotcha thank you we we

[1:08:02] have your email thank you Fred thank you

[1:08:05] we thank you so much appreciate

[1:08:09] it I have three minutes thank you hello

[1:08:12] my name is isala I live at 4490 West 129

[1:08:17] Street my first issue is this letter

[1:08:19] that we got we literally got it last

[1:08:20] Monday and it's postmarked for the 22nd

[1:08:24] and on here it says any comments had to

[1:08:26] be submitted on June 5th of

[1:08:30] 2023 even if it was June 5th of 2024

[1:08:33] this thing is postmarked on the 22nd to

[1:08:37] be here on on this date right so that

[1:08:40] that's my issue I mean you you want me

[1:08:42] to trust a public study that's done when

[1:08:44] this doesn't even have the right correct

[1:08:46] dates on it it's kind of unacceptable

[1:08:49] the second thing is they want to widen

[1:08:51] the the street or the sidewalk on 129th

[1:08:54] if you've ever been on 129th that's a

[1:08:56] very narrow Street I've already lost two

[1:08:59] side mirrors on my truck because of

[1:09:01] people using 129th when traffic is

[1:09:04] really bad on elaga Boulevard everybody

[1:09:06] use our street and I'm telling you

[1:09:08] they're going 60 70 miles an hour and

[1:09:10] I'm not joking you can ask some of my

[1:09:12] neighbors that's how fast people are

[1:09:13] going so by narrowing the street I don't

[1:09:17] even let my kids play in my front yard

[1:09:18] because it's so dangerous I have to back

[1:09:20] into my driveway because I don't want to

[1:09:22] pull out because I've already gotone in

[1:09:24] one accident also a construction site of

[1:09:26] this size it's going to be ridiculous on

[1:09:29] the amount of traffic on Elo Boulevard

[1:09:31] they're going to be using our street and

[1:09:33] trust me I'm a reasonable person I

[1:09:35] bought my house 13 years ago I used to

[1:09:37] be able to look out my uh kitchen window

[1:09:40] and see the mountains now all I see is

[1:09:42] the neon lights of a Courtyard Marriott

[1:09:45] which I'm okay with right that it we

[1:09:47] need uh more buildings in this city but

[1:09:50] I've tried calling somebody to talk to

[1:09:52] this about this letter and I never got a

[1:09:54] call back I left a message

[1:09:55] so I just think a project of this size

[1:09:58] in a residential area such as ours

[1:10:00] street it's just going to be a nightmare

[1:10:02] it's going to be a nightmare for two

[1:10:04] years for us with noise of construction

[1:10:07] everything that's going on with traffic

[1:10:10] it's going to be a mess and I know

[1:10:12] there's a parking lot at the end of our

[1:10:13] block but if you've ever been to that

[1:10:16] parking lot my kids call it Zombie Land

[1:10:18] because of all the transients and

[1:10:19] everybody that's walking around that

[1:10:21] parking lot's not safe at all there's an

[1:10:23] abandoned building at the end of our

[1:10:24] property or at the end of our block

[1:10:26] where like the police department has had

[1:10:27] to go in there and clear out transients

[1:10:29] I think last week there was a transient

[1:10:31] that died in that building so with you

[1:10:33] bringing that many more people into our

[1:10:35] our neighborhood it's going to be a

[1:10:36] nightmare they're saying there going to

[1:10:38] be four bedroom apartments or condos

[1:10:40] there with a two g a twocc car garage

[1:10:43] where are those other two cars going to

[1:10:46] be if it's four adults living in that

[1:10:47] building they're going to have to park

[1:10:48] in our neighborhood we already have a

[1:10:50] shortage of parking so that parking is

[1:10:52] going to be a major issue cuz they're

[1:10:54] not going to be able to park on elsaa

[1:10:57] Boulevard because that's a huge thare

[1:10:59] right they're going to have to go into

[1:11:00] our neighborhood so I just want you to

[1:11:02] realize that that a building of this

[1:11:04] size is going to be just destroy our

[1:11:06] neighborhood okay I'm sorry what was

[1:11:08] your name ISM Tava is Tava t a v r a do

[1:11:14] you mind can I do you mind handing me

[1:11:16] that you can have this copy I took I

[1:11:17] appreciate

[1:11:18] it

[1:11:20] this yeah sure Maria can you use yeah

[1:11:24] Maria can you grab it

[1:11:26] I did

[1:11:32] was you thank

[1:11:35] you one second hi um my name is

[1:11:38] Elizabeth Wilson I live at

[1:11:40] 4590 West 129th Street so um M on this

[1:11:45] map mine is the very last property um to

[1:11:48] the left on the south side and um my

[1:11:51] neighbor came as well um I am not as

[1:11:56] diligent about knowing what's going on

[1:11:58] in the neighborhood but my other

[1:12:00] neighbors are and so I decided to come

[1:12:03] and I made notes I'm excited that it's

[1:12:06] going to be a for sale property um the

[1:12:09] two years of construction is going to be

[1:12:11] tough I think everybody's complained

[1:12:13] about the parking um my concern is

[1:12:16] something that had been said about

[1:12:18] something happening on 129th Street my

[1:12:21] understanding was there was going to be

[1:12:23] a a barrier wall um built on the

[1:12:26] backside of the Southside parking and

[1:12:29] then you mentioned something about the

[1:12:31] street being or the sidewalk so that's

[1:12:33] on the inside is that

[1:12:38] correct

[1:12:40] sorry is it on the inside because I'm

[1:12:42] confused because the street on that

[1:12:45] portion is high is elevated on 129

[1:12:48] clarify all of that at the end of the

[1:12:50] hearing okay sorry um so was that was my

[1:12:53] primary question is that I was very conf

[1:12:55] Fus between what I understood from

[1:12:57] planning and what was said about what's

[1:13:00] happening on the 129 side thank you

[1:13:02] thank

[1:13:04] you okay hello I'm Judy Trill I reside

[1:13:08] at 4500 West 129 Street I've been a

[1:13:12] resident for about 33 years and I'm very

[1:13:16] concerned about the notification that

[1:13:18] was sent out to the public at least to

[1:13:21] the residents that were near I received

[1:13:24] from from my neighbor who resides right

[1:13:27] next door to the nursery information

[1:13:30] about The Melia home project um just

[1:13:34] about two weeks ago um only because we

[1:13:38] were talking and sharing information but

[1:13:41] I reside right across directly across

[1:13:43] the street from her on 129th and I never

[1:13:47] received any information regarding this

[1:13:50] project at all so I understand that they

[1:13:53] want to do the proximity close to the

[1:13:56] area but this impacts all of the

[1:13:58] Neighbors on 129

[1:14:01] street so I'm concerned about that and

[1:14:04] then I had a couple other things um

[1:14:08] incorrect information as was stated by

[1:14:11] um the resident at

[1:14:13] 4490 um was sent to the

[1:14:16] residents with a date I did call and I I

[1:14:20] commented about it to um that the phone

[1:14:24] number that was listed and I was really

[1:14:26] disappointed that we have a June 5th

[1:14:30] when we didn't receive the information

[1:14:32] until after the the 25 the

[1:14:36] 21st of this month or I mean of last

[1:14:39] month for this

[1:14:42] um that's a problem that's incomplete

[1:14:46] information and I was I did a couple

[1:14:50] days later receive a corrected copy but

[1:14:52] this actually doesn't give us much time

[1:14:55] to review any of the reports or anything

[1:14:57] that we can do especially when we don't

[1:15:00] know what is going on in our

[1:15:02] neighborhood I never received any

[1:15:04] information with regard to this um and I

[1:15:10] hate well the other thing was was I kind

[1:15:13] of took a look at some of the

[1:15:15] information and I'm not real clear about

[1:15:17] all of it but when it talks about that

[1:15:20] the study was done from

[1:15:22] 2021 or we have a time period of 20 21

[1:15:25] to 2029 I'm assuming those are the years

[1:15:29] and that's a 9-year period 8year period

[1:15:33] that we have to take a look at and

[1:15:37] traffic already on ala Gunda Boulevard

[1:15:39] if I any of you travel it during uh from

[1:15:43] after 3:00 or after the high school gets

[1:15:45] out traffic is absolutely horrible so

[1:15:49] 129 Street going to um going east to Haw

[1:15:54] Boulevard traffic is

[1:15:57] horrendous I mean it's crazy and as the

[1:15:59] neighbor had stated um they drive really

[1:16:03] fast and so you can't I mean my son has

[1:16:06] has left um but anyway um it just gets

[1:16:10] to be a real problem and it needs to be

[1:16:13] considered and not notifying everybody

[1:16:17] makes it a problem sorry we do have to

[1:16:19] keep everyone at 3 minutes apprciate I

[1:16:20] sorry thank you before and just before

[1:16:23] the next person start I wasn't looking

[1:16:24] behind me is the the counter the timer

[1:16:26] are you running the timer I'm running

[1:16:28] the okay then I can I'm sorry for every

[1:16:29] I keep looking down at my phone CU I

[1:16:31] think I'm doing the timer myself never

[1:16:32] mind okay strch your timer try to talk

[1:16:34] as fast as I can my name is hii Dick

[1:16:37] obashi uh I used to have a b uh Crystal

[1:16:41] Palace Bard it's opposite of kakatu in I

[1:16:44] have a house on man in the middle of

[1:16:46] Manor Drive on the hillside on on the

[1:16:49] west side of the street uh I'm very

[1:16:51] opposed to this project because Manor

[1:16:53] Drive is is very narrow all the traffic

[1:16:57] uh I don't see exact explicitly where

[1:16:59] the where this uh driveway is looks like

[1:17:03] it's on the corners I don't I'm afraid

[1:17:06] that it's not big enough there are cars

[1:17:08] parked on both sides of the Manor

[1:17:11] Drive uh I just don't see the

[1:17:15] feasibility of this place at all as

[1:17:19] currently

[1:17:20] configured I'm especially worried about

[1:17:23] Manor Drive in my house and the traffic

[1:17:26] coming in and out of this place the

[1:17:29] 2-year construction site bothers me also

[1:17:32] I live in Gardina uh we almost

[1:17:35] successfully nixed the the the Cocoon

[1:17:38] House now they got a seven story

[1:17:40] building going up and we've got the

[1:17:43] whole our whole neighborhood is dead

[1:17:45] against

[1:17:46] that um there's just too much traffic

[1:17:50] there's just too many buildings it's uh

[1:17:54] uh it's not feasible at all in my

[1:17:57] opinion and I would be against

[1:18:00] it thank you very much thank thank

[1:18:06] you hi my name is David Lind I'm a

[1:18:09] resident at one uh 29th Street 45530

[1:18:13] 129th Street um I just wanted to share

[1:18:16] some of my concerns um so first of all

[1:18:19] uh just to Echo what was said before

[1:18:22] that uh this mailing was confusing it

[1:18:25] created a deadline of

[1:18:27] 2023 uh along along with that I just

[1:18:30] wanted to ask the committee like is this

[1:18:33] actually the last time to submit public

[1:18:35] comments did I did I hear that

[1:18:38] correctly we'll address at the end of

[1:18:40] sorry okay um so um what I would say is

[1:18:43] that like I would if it's possible if

[1:18:45] this is not the last time to submit

[1:18:47] public comments I would like for this

[1:18:48] request that

[1:18:49] this that that we're able to submit

[1:18:52] written comments

[1:18:54] going forward uh you know to basically

[1:18:56] extend the deadline for written comments

[1:18:58] given that this mailing was confusing um

[1:19:02] uh I'd also like to say that uh it

[1:19:05] sounds like that there was some Outreach

[1:19:07] um from Mia homes but we did not receive

[1:19:10] uh the mailing uh and in any event um

[1:19:13] one one representative one person from

[1:19:16] 129th giving feedback is probably not

[1:19:19] sufficient um for the developer to you

[1:19:22] know I just don't think that's enough of

[1:19:23] a sample size

[1:19:25] um I'd like to also say that uh you know

[1:19:28] I want to Echo some of the concerns

[1:19:30] about traffic um and the safety of 129th

[1:19:33] Street um people do speed regularly they

[1:19:36] use it as a substitute East West uh

[1:19:38] conduit in place of elsag gundo I can

[1:19:40] only imagine that if elano is more has

[1:19:42] more traffic that there'll be more true

[1:19:44] in the future um you should consider

[1:19:46] adding speed bumps um the intersection

[1:19:49] of elag gundo I'm sorry 129th Ramona

[1:19:51] Avenue is particularly dangerous because

[1:19:53] of a lack of sight line

[1:19:55] and there's also only a two-way stop you

[1:19:57] should consider putting in a four-way

[1:19:58] stop at that intersection and putting

[1:20:00] additional speed bumps on the Ramona

[1:20:02] Avenue um uh I have some additional

[1:20:06] notes here um just question about the

[1:20:08] extended construction phase um Can the

[1:20:10] city assure existing residents that

[1:20:12] portions of the current parking area

[1:20:14] along 129th Street won't be disrupted

[1:20:16] for an extended period of time uh if

[1:20:19] it's expected that that's going to be

[1:20:20] the case what Provisions will the city

[1:20:22] or the developer do you know provide so

[1:20:25] that we are not parking blocks away

[1:20:27] parking is already an issue safety is

[1:20:29] already an issue I should also point out

[1:20:31] that that street that sidewalk is used

[1:20:33] by dozens of high school students and

[1:20:36] you know people use that to actually

[1:20:38] walk so there are definitely safety

[1:20:40] considerations uh and lastly I want to

[1:20:42] Echo the concerns about um overflow from

[1:20:45] this uh development like we have

[1:20:47] difficulty parking already um I'd like

[1:20:50] to know if there's going to be permit

[1:20:51] parking or something like that

[1:20:52] considered um so

[1:20:55] that's all I got thank you thank

[1:21:04] you is

[1:21:06] on hi I'm Kim Lind you just met my

[1:21:08] husband um so one second so I can

[1:21:14] reset okay I'm good you go okay Kim Lind

[1:21:17] you just spent my husband we're at 4530

[1:21:19] West 129th we are right across the

[1:21:21] street from this project and I'm sorry

[1:21:24] that I'm redundant I sit on a dis often

[1:21:26] and I know how boring it can get when

[1:21:29] you hear the same thing over and over

[1:21:30] again but I also know that sometimes

[1:21:31] hearing it over and over again actually

[1:21:33] makes an impact so um parking is an

[1:21:35] issue on 129th already with only um 60

[1:21:38] spots for 68 units while that may be

[1:21:42] better than code I can tell you right

[1:21:44] now we don't have 2.3 spots per resident

[1:21:48] on 129th right now I would love that um

[1:21:51] I often uh get home late from work and

[1:21:53] have to park BL walks away so when

[1:21:57] holidays happen when people have guests

[1:21:58] over where do you think that parking's

[1:22:00] going it's going on 129th where there's

[1:22:02] already a pretty significant parking

[1:22:03] issue and that lot at the end doesn't

[1:22:05] allow for overnight parking so I'm just

[1:22:08] something will have to be done with this

[1:22:11] development going in to um take care of

[1:22:13] the current residents who've chosen to

[1:22:15] live here we've been living here for 14

[1:22:17] years so we would just ask that you

[1:22:18] would take care of us as well as your

[1:22:20] new residents um permit parking

[1:22:23] certainly would be an answer on 129th um

[1:22:26] certainly narrowing the street is a

[1:22:28] concern when I go to my car in the

[1:22:30] morning people come screaming through at

[1:22:34] 50 40 50 miles per hour and if you if

[1:22:37] there's no stoplight coming out of that

[1:22:39] um that new uh development what they're

[1:22:43] going to do is they're going to turn

[1:22:44] right on Elsa gundo turn right on

[1:22:46] Hawthorne turn right on 129th and just

[1:22:49] join the rest of the barrage of cars

[1:22:51] that we get in the morning um I too have

[1:22:54] had Dam done to my car I think everybody

[1:22:55] who lives on that street who's had to

[1:22:57] park on the street has so I would just

[1:23:00] say like traffic I don't know if there's

[1:23:01] been a traffic study done I would

[1:23:03] certainly appreciate knowing where that

[1:23:04] is because it certainly should I'm

[1:23:06] guessing it did because I think it's

[1:23:08] required um I also would like to know

[1:23:09] where the SQL study is and the

[1:23:11] environmental study was done um I would

[1:23:13] like to know where those are posted so

[1:23:14] that we can make sure that we as

[1:23:16] residents can take a look at that

[1:23:17] because you are replacing green space

[1:23:19] with Hardscape um and and and I I just

[1:23:22] want to be aware of what the impact of

[1:23:24] that is

[1:23:27] um uh let's see Landscaping so I know

[1:23:30] there's a retaining wall going up on

[1:23:32] 129th Street I would also just ask that

[1:23:34] you consider Landscaping in that area so

[1:23:37] we're not looking at an ugly wall um

[1:23:39] from our uh from our view and then also

[1:23:42] I just I do want you to understand that

[1:23:45] similar to what the gentleman Shar

[1:23:46] before we used to have a view of the

[1:23:47] mountains that's one of the reasons we

[1:23:48] bought our house we can actually see the

[1:23:50] Hollywood Sign from our house and now

[1:23:52] we'll be looking in someone's bedroom or

[1:23:53] apparently onto their porch so I just

[1:23:56] what I would ask the Planning Commission

[1:23:58] to to consider is you have residents who

[1:24:02] already live here and we're just asking

[1:24:04] for the same thoughtfulness and care

[1:24:06] that you're thinking of as you think

[1:24:08] about putting new residents in um and

[1:24:11] making sure that we are also taken care

[1:24:13] of um because we've been here for a long

[1:24:15] time and we would love to stay um but

[1:24:19] that's all I have to say thanks thank

[1:24:23] you hi

[1:24:24] I I'm Ross sodachi I represent hawthor

[1:24:27] Nursery I'm representing them in terms

[1:24:29] of this Association and dealing with

[1:24:32] Melia homes um when I talked to the

[1:24:36] family about selling the property I told

[1:24:37] them that with the housing overlay they

[1:24:39] could go up to 94 units and have

[1:24:41] Apartments but they said no they don't

[1:24:43] want to do that to the community they

[1:24:45] want to keep it down and Malia Malia

[1:24:47] came up with a project of 68 Town Homes

[1:24:50] I I hear a lot of the concerns that

[1:24:52] people have I'm also a developer I've

[1:24:54] heard the all of these concerns before

[1:24:56] in all of the projects these are issues

[1:24:58] to raise with the building department I

[1:25:01] understand what there's a lot of people

[1:25:03] with concerns on 129th Street they're

[1:25:05] talking about the block wall they want

[1:25:06] it to be landscaped they want speed

[1:25:08] bumps they're talking about people

[1:25:09] speeding so we understand all that I was

[1:25:12] talking to the other gentleman back

[1:25:13] there who has a house on Manor he was

[1:25:14] worried about uh access on Manor Drive

[1:25:18] and I said talked to the building

[1:25:19] department I told him that this hearing

[1:25:21] is to reduce the number of lots from 15

[1:25:23] to two so they could move forward if we

[1:25:26] had sold to an apartment developer this

[1:25:28] would this hearing would not be

[1:25:29] happening and they would just be going

[1:25:30] ahead and building so thank

[1:25:38] you hello one second make sure you get

[1:25:41] your time

[1:25:43] set gotcha okay good evening my name is

[1:25:47] Tony Tran and I'm the homeowner of 12704

[1:25:52] Manor Drive which is adjacent to the

[1:25:55] right to the north of the development so

[1:25:58] I was I did attend the recent meeting

[1:26:00] with the other residents and Mr Brown

[1:26:03] and uh I appreciate that I appreciate

[1:26:06] seeing the the screen of trees um on

[1:26:11] the uh West and north side of the

[1:26:15] development uh to uh preserve and

[1:26:18] enhance the Privacy

[1:26:20] so just want to make sure that you know

[1:26:22] if we can make that happen

[1:26:24] that would be great and you know the

[1:26:26] large larger trees the better so because

[1:26:28] I'm right there on the north of the

[1:26:30] property and my other concern is with

[1:26:33] increased traffic of course and and

[1:26:36] street parking on Manor Drive that could

[1:26:39] happen from the project and so if this

[1:26:41] could be

[1:26:42] addressed um I would appreciate it going

[1:26:45] forward thank you thank

[1:26:52] you all good my name is Philip Pearson

[1:26:55] I've been a resident at hearon since

[1:26:57] 1993 uh one thing uh I'm looking at this

[1:27:03] project and I'm looking at how you

[1:27:06] putting a small putting a big puzzle in

[1:27:09] a small Peg and it seems like it's going

[1:27:11] to be a lot more

[1:27:13] traffic I mean you cannot eliminate that

[1:27:16] we have children riding

[1:27:18] bikes more traffic I'm I seen children

[1:27:21] get hit that's a big concern you know I

[1:27:24] mean I know you put this up investors

[1:27:29] put this up oh this is a nice area you

[1:27:31] know that make more Revenue but there's

[1:27:34] safety concerns are not being looked at

[1:27:36] that's one considerate consideration of

[1:27:39] already property tax residents who pay

[1:27:42] tax is not being considered this is a

[1:27:45] joke how you given this flyer out it's

[1:27:48] not enough time there's no respect to

[1:27:50] the current residents and that that's a

[1:27:53] problem I have you know you know uh

[1:27:56] there have been several projects that

[1:27:58] supposed to been happening

[1:28:01] RFK that used to be a hospital there was

[1:28:03] supposed to be a project there that

[1:28:05] hasn't come for permission that's that's

[1:28:07] that's a big lot right right over there

[1:28:09] okay there other one over there snw used

[1:28:12] to have there's supposed to

[1:28:14] be apartment buildings put up over there

[1:28:17] that hasn't came so it seems like and

[1:28:19] those are much bigger Lots it seems like

[1:28:22] you're putting over here 129 it's a

[1:28:24] smaller area compared consider to those

[1:28:26] other areas so that's that that's why

[1:28:30] this is my concern why you putting in a

[1:28:33] it looks like a big area but once you

[1:28:34] start putting buildings on it it

[1:28:37] shrinks I'm finished and I'm my concerns

[1:28:42] again like you said you got these minals

[1:28:44] at the last minute they were giv out the

[1:28:47] last minute there was no early

[1:28:48] consideration of getting out thank you

[1:28:50] thank

[1:28:52] you okay

[1:28:56] hi there um I submitted my letter

[1:28:58] through the email I'm sure you guys have

[1:28:59] read it my name is Kevin Wong 12647

[1:29:02] Manor

[1:29:03] Drive what was the last name

[1:29:06] WG yeah I sent a pretty long email uh or

[1:29:11] a letter um I just wanted to voice just

[1:29:13] for everyone in the public as well that

[1:29:15] you know they think there's everyone has

[1:29:17] the same concerns it's privacy it's

[1:29:19] street parking it's traffic um I get

[1:29:23] that there are restrictions in place for

[1:29:26] good reasons um but I'd like the city or

[1:29:30] even M homes to reconsider a driveway

[1:29:32] out onto Manor and why it wouldn't go

[1:29:34] into gellia or even just eliminated

[1:29:37] driveway altogether because the other

[1:29:39] property on the souths side has only one

[1:29:42] driveway entrance and exit um I just

[1:29:44] think it would heavily reduce the amount

[1:29:46] of traffic that man or drive would

[1:29:49] see that's it thank you thank you

[1:29:57] hi uh Richard Dragon 129th Street

[1:30:01] um if uh if I was uh hi Brad um I'd

[1:30:06] always send a flyer with a mistake on it

[1:30:09] so people have something something to

[1:30:11] complain

[1:30:12] about um it's really a non-issue to me

[1:30:16] um I haven't heard uh if there's going

[1:30:19] to be a Stairway to 129th

[1:30:22] Street um all the questions if you

[1:30:25] address here we'll make sure they and uh

[1:30:29] I'm Not Dead Set against the project uh

[1:30:31] I've regret it I I've re uh worried

[1:30:34] about it for years but uh it's an

[1:30:37] eventuality that I knew was coming

[1:30:41] um I'd like to know what we could do to

[1:30:43] mitigate uh

[1:30:45] dust while they're in under

[1:30:48] construction and uh hopefully it will

[1:30:52] raise the property values

[1:30:54] by not being Apartments so thank you

[1:30:57] thank you

[1:31:02] sir hello my name is eser aadia I'm my

[1:31:07] husband came ahead and he just wanted me

[1:31:08] to add more things I we own the property

[1:31:11] of uh

[1:31:13] 4555 West 129th Street we purchased that

[1:31:17] house basically because on one side was

[1:31:19] the nursery we and we have been there

[1:31:22] for like I'd say 30 years years and

[1:31:24] we've been using it at rental it was

[1:31:27] basically an income for our kids um what

[1:31:31] I'm seeing now is that I don't know if

[1:31:34] they're concerned about the water we've

[1:31:36] had problems with our sump in our rental

[1:31:39] we've had it replaced twice already are

[1:31:41] they taking that in consideration

[1:31:43] because of the height level as well as

[1:31:46] the parking I've always never been able

[1:31:48] to find easy parking and I would always

[1:31:50] block my driveway when I come to talk to

[1:31:53] the tenants

[1:31:55] so that is an issue for me and I come in

[1:31:57] the middle of the day I don't even come

[1:31:59] at night when people are at home and um

[1:32:03] walking on that sidewalk which is narrow

[1:32:05] with certain areas where

[1:32:07] the the poles for electricity it is a

[1:32:11] little hazardous so widening it I don't

[1:32:14] know if it'll make a difference but um

[1:32:17] putting that block wall but at the

[1:32:20] different heights uh is the are they

[1:32:22] going to have the three floors I mean

[1:32:25] the the apartments that have three

[1:32:26] floors on the height of 129th or are

[1:32:30] they going to base it down below and are

[1:32:32] they going to take care of the water

[1:32:33] drainage so that it doesn't flood and

[1:32:36] cause

[1:32:37] problems um the other thing is the noise

[1:32:41] there's going to be two years that my

[1:32:43] tenants are going to have to suffer

[1:32:45] through and the dust and the noise I

[1:32:47] hope they are thinking of accommodating

[1:32:49] living standards and how how the noise

[1:32:52] will impact everybody

[1:32:55] um I think it's great that it's going to

[1:32:57] be for sale and I I'm aware that our

[1:33:00] hands are tied because of what

[1:33:02] California State Legislature had passed

[1:33:05] regarding housing so um I think this is

[1:33:09] the best of worst

[1:33:12] scenarios and I can accommodate that but

[1:33:15] I think uh this area has some unique

[1:33:18] features that needed to be taken care of

[1:33:21] in fact my neighbor on the other side

[1:33:24] I've gone in when I've taken before

[1:33:26] while I was taking care of my myself had

[1:33:29] people come in and change the cement and

[1:33:31] everything there's just a little bit

[1:33:33] overflowing and it's flooding you have

[1:33:35] to understand 129th is like the houses

[1:33:39] on the owner's unit is three levels with

[1:33:41] the one down below being a car garage so

[1:33:44] that's the height but on the street it's

[1:33:47] two floors okay and to me that's a big

[1:33:50] Hazard for the the coming Department

[1:33:53] units thank you so much I see I'm

[1:33:55] running

[1:33:56] late I just want to clarify something

[1:33:59] with her if you don't mind um Mrs ovadia

[1:34:03] ovadia yes um you said water or flooding

[1:34:07] where is when it rains you have to

[1:34:09] understand okay

[1:34:11] 129th um is houses on the street only

[1:34:15] see two floors two floors only but

[1:34:19] underneath we don't have basements

[1:34:21] normally in California but there is a

[1:34:24] basement and that basement is a garage

[1:34:27] so when you come in the driveway you go

[1:34:29] down the driveway it goes steep down and

[1:34:32] you turn to park and that part is I

[1:34:36] would call it a basement because I'm

[1:34:38] from New England I've been here 40 plus

[1:34:42] 44 years but I'm still New England so

[1:34:46] anyhow that to me is a

[1:34:48] basement but the tenants in the back

[1:34:52] only one floor and they're on that

[1:34:55] ground floor that's on Elsa gundo so you

[1:34:59] have to see it's a gradient appreciate

[1:35:02] I'm sorry we got thank you do you

[1:35:04] understand what I'm talking about and I

[1:35:05] can see that there will be if it's not

[1:35:08] taken into consideration those people

[1:35:11] who buy homes will be unhappy okay thank

[1:35:14] you thank you thank

[1:35:18] you my my name is Sean Carol I'm at 4548

[1:35:22] West 129 Street been there 60 plus years

[1:35:27] my born and raised here in hawthor the

[1:35:29] city of good

[1:35:31] neighbors

[1:35:33] so and my family my father played for

[1:35:36] the LA Angels and Pacific h leagues and

[1:35:38] my family's been here for from the 30s

[1:35:41] so when I bought that house I paid extra

[1:35:45] for the

[1:35:46] view quite quite a large sum you see

[1:35:50] these pictures they're not two bedrooms

[1:35:51] or two stories they're three stories

[1:35:54] 40ft base then the

[1:35:57] ceiling it's like standing next to a

[1:36:00] wall when they do that when they add

[1:36:03] parking they don't allow access to out

[1:36:05] if you saw the if you saw the the

[1:36:08] drawing they don't allow access out at

[1:36:10] the 129th for automobiles but they allow

[1:36:13] entrance and exit by passengers or

[1:36:16] pedestrians so you can park your car 129

[1:36:20] then walk in the back gate but if you

[1:36:22] don't get on when you're coming down

[1:36:24] elag gondo you don't get in you just

[1:36:26] whip around the corner find a place to

[1:36:27] park but I walked over here I didn't

[1:36:30] drive because there's no parking when I

[1:36:31] go when I went back I couldn't get a

[1:36:33] parking spot

[1:36:36] so people drive from they M they try to

[1:36:39] mitigate this about 10 years ago they

[1:36:40] put speed bumps on top of the hill 129th

[1:36:43] because people cut down when they put in

[1:36:46] uh SpaceX more traffic started coming so

[1:36:49] they shoot down 129th Street to get get

[1:36:52] to Haw bouard turn right on ha bouevard

[1:36:55] or they come down 130th cut cut across

[1:36:57] and they cut down hawor bouevard when

[1:37:00] you do the same thing when with El

[1:37:01] agendo they're not going to be able to

[1:37:04] they won't be able to park so they'll

[1:37:06] whip around the street park on 12 29th

[1:37:09] taking people's parking space so I think

[1:37:12] that's about

[1:37:14] it thank you all right and then you know

[1:37:17] the thing

[1:37:18] is in the flyer I saw just saw today

[1:37:21] they said you have to speak speak your

[1:37:23] mind today we have problems bringing up

[1:37:25] today but people just get that note

[1:37:27] today they can't they they haven't

[1:37:29] figured out T beginning of a long

[1:37:31] weekend you know some of these people

[1:37:33] have G already left left town gone to

[1:37:36] the beach

[1:37:38] so that's it thank you very much thank

[1:37:41] you very

[1:37:43] much there anyone else than thank you or

[1:37:48] be the last one okay I'm the resident on

[1:37:52] the south side on El Segundo Boulevard

[1:37:56] 4556 West El Segundo my name is Jesus

[1:38:00] Ortega I've been living in hurn for 25

[1:38:05] years on that

[1:38:07] property

[1:38:09] and uh the notice that I have I have it

[1:38:14] last week Friday and I have another one

[1:38:19] Monday is not enough time for people

[1:38:24] like myself that it works to respond and

[1:38:27] to say anything

[1:38:30] except I hope you consider it extended

[1:38:34] and I hope it be another opportunity for

[1:38:37] the community to speak because many

[1:38:39] people doesn't get even the

[1:38:42] notice is the first time I have it in my

[1:38:46] hands I do not hear from previous

[1:38:49] months or

[1:38:52] previous information

[1:38:55] nothing thank you thank

[1:39:01] you is there anyone else who wishes to

[1:39:04] address the Planning Commission on this

[1:39:08] issue I cannot allow that um now there

[1:39:13] were quite a number of yeah there's

[1:39:15] quite a number of issues that um need to

[1:39:17] be addressed that I I knowe the

[1:39:19] applicant is allowed to to respond yes

[1:39:22] um before that though I would like to

[1:39:25] ask for permission to address some of

[1:39:26] the issues that are concerning the city

[1:39:29] as opposed to the applicant um first is

[1:39:32] the notice um the notice went out in a

[1:39:35] timely fashion pursuant to the law which

[1:39:38] says 10 days before the hearing I'm

[1:39:40] sorry that um some of you did receive it

[1:39:43] late that's with the Postal Service

[1:39:45] unfortunately not with the city uh we

[1:39:48] sent everything out 10 days prior we did

[1:39:51] then subsequently find that one part of

[1:39:53] the notice which says submit your

[1:39:56] comments by had a date from a previous

[1:39:59] notice which was June 5th

[1:40:01] 2023 however the meeting date time and

[1:40:05] location were correct and furthermore

[1:40:08] the meeting date and time and location

[1:40:10] were correct in the newspaper

[1:40:11] notification so we did legally meet our

[1:40:14] requirement but as a courtesy we did

[1:40:16] send a a revised notice to all the same

[1:40:19] people stating that the period to make

[1:40:22] comments was was was not June 5th but

[1:40:24] it's actually today the um the reason

[1:40:27] it's set for today is because this is

[1:40:29] the hearing and we don't it wouldn't do

[1:40:32] anybody any good to have comments come

[1:40:34] after the hearing okay but 10 days is

[1:40:37] the standard that's standard throughout

[1:40:39] the state um there may be some

[1:40:41] jurisdictions that give more but we uh

[1:40:43] by our Municipal Code give a 10-day

[1:40:45] notice and it's not 10 days from the day

[1:40:48] you receive it but from 10 days from

[1:40:49] when we mail it okay um

[1:40:54] with regard to the sidewalk on 129

[1:40:56] Street it is being widened but the curb

[1:40:58] is not being moved so the street will

[1:40:59] not be narrowed okay the um there's a

[1:41:03] there's a narrow sidewalk there now and

[1:41:06] some landscaping or dirt or whatever um

[1:41:10] that'll all be made into sidewalk so

[1:41:12] it'll be a 7 foot sidewalk with tree

[1:41:15] Wells every 50 feet with a tree planted

[1:41:17] in it by the applicant so I want to be

[1:41:20] clear on that they will have no impact

[1:41:22] on the width of of the actual driving

[1:41:24] area on 129 Street um with regard to

[1:41:28] construction traffic and

[1:41:30] noise um well let's deal with noise

[1:41:33] noise is controlled by the municipal

[1:41:35] code there are

[1:41:37] um timelines in which construction can

[1:41:39] take place every single day it's a

[1:41:41] little bit more restrictive on on the

[1:41:43] weekends I believe but uh we we will be

[1:41:46] watching for that if they start

[1:41:48] construction prior to was it s I think

[1:41:51] or is it 8 I forgot seven

[1:41:54] um they will receive a notice um of

[1:41:57] violation but I don't expect that to be

[1:41:59] the case and likewise construction has

[1:42:01] to stop at is it 6 or something I forgot

[1:42:06] when but anyway there's a time that that

[1:42:08] has to stop so at the nighttime at least

[1:42:11] there will be no construction permitted

[1:42:13] and um we will be I mean we're very

[1:42:16] close so we'll know if they're violating

[1:42:17] that and code enforcement will be

[1:42:20] keeping an eye on it as we do for every

[1:42:22] construction project in the

[1:42:24] city um as for the issue of notification

[1:42:27] not going to all of the neighbors again

[1:42:29] this goes back to the municipal code the

[1:42:31] requirement for code is Neighbors within

[1:42:34] 300

[1:42:35] ft now that doesn't include everybody on

[1:42:39] 129th but you know how there's no um

[1:42:43] provision that we have to provide notice

[1:42:45] to everybody on 129th the requirement is

[1:42:47] Neighbors within 300 ft if even a small

[1:42:49] portion of your property is within 300

[1:42:51] ft of this property a notice would been

[1:42:53] mailed to you anybody outside of that

[1:42:56] doesn't get a notice but that's why we

[1:42:58] advertise in the newspaper

[1:43:01] and I don't that's that's just pursuant

[1:43:03] to the municipal code and for per state

[1:43:06] law um as for the driveway on uh Manor

[1:43:10] Drive I'll let the applicant address why

[1:43:13] not gravilla but I will say that the

[1:43:15] second driveway is required on the

[1:43:17] Northern portion for fire um trucks to

[1:43:20] be able to get into the property and get

[1:43:22] out the the southern one is wider so

[1:43:24] they're able to do a complete circle or

[1:43:26] Square so they can use one driveway that

[1:43:29] doesn't apply to the northern part and

[1:43:30] that's why there's a second driveway

[1:43:32] there

[1:43:35] um I a lot of the comments deal with uh

[1:43:39] development standards such as

[1:43:41] parking um I'd like to point out again

[1:43:45] that that is outside of this uh scope of

[1:43:48] this hearing all of those standards are

[1:43:51] contained in the municipal code

[1:43:53] and their objective meaning that the

[1:43:55] city uses no judgment it's either yes or

[1:43:58] no complies or doesn't comply that's

[1:44:00] pursuant to state law as one of the

[1:44:02] applicants or one of the residents had

[1:44:04] said you know our hands are somewhat

[1:44:06] Tied by state law here so rest assured

[1:44:09] though there are standards and they will

[1:44:10] be applied and and upheld so all of the

[1:44:15] um all the issues related to Landscaping

[1:44:18] parking um height all of that stuff is

[1:44:21] covered and they they know the rules we

[1:44:23] know the rules and they're free to build

[1:44:26] up to those rules but not

[1:44:29] Beyond um as mentioned RFK there is an

[1:44:32] application already on I don't remember

[1:44:35] who made that request but there is an

[1:44:36] application for that site it's just it's

[1:44:38] tied up in the in the environmental

[1:44:39] review right now it it is slated to

[1:44:42] happen but it's a long process and there

[1:44:44] are plenty of other sites in the city

[1:44:46] where housing is also being proposed and

[1:44:48] being studied

[1:44:50] currently um

[1:44:53] let's see if there's anything

[1:44:54] construction

[1:44:55] dust goes with time construction dust is

[1:44:58] controlled by the by the um

[1:45:02] AQMD and the city does enforce um dust

[1:45:06] control so if there's any incident of of

[1:45:10] construction dust please notify the um

[1:45:14] the city because that has to stop and

[1:45:17] and the applicant is well aware of this

[1:45:19] as part of the construction you know

[1:45:21] process

[1:45:23] a water issues I think you're talking

[1:45:25] about drainage um again there there are

[1:45:29] plenty of of regulations that apply to

[1:45:33] water all of the water that falls onto

[1:45:35] this property does not leave the

[1:45:36] property it stays on the property that's

[1:45:38] pursuant to law um and they're they're

[1:45:43] going to have to have the property

[1:45:45] graded which means they're going to you

[1:45:47] know move the dirt around a little bit

[1:45:48] to make it drain properly that's um

[1:45:51] going to be carefully uh monitored by

[1:45:53] the city and and it'll have to be

[1:45:55] approved that's standard that's for

[1:45:57] every

[1:45:58] project um so I don't think that um

[1:46:00] flooding is going to be much of an issue

[1:46:03] here and the applicant may want to

[1:46:05] expand on that a little

[1:46:07] bit um the question about where the

[1:46:09] bottom of the units uh adjacent to 129

[1:46:12] they'll be on the low part they will not

[1:46:14] be three stories above 129 Street

[1:46:17] there'll be a floor and a half below

[1:46:18] 129th and then a floor and a half above

[1:46:24] I think that covers all the city issues

[1:46:26] now um if uh the applicant would like to

[1:46:30] address the issues that are more

[1:46:32] specific to the

[1:46:33] project oh I'm sorry there was one other

[1:46:36] question related to

[1:46:37] squa um the squl studies I think that

[1:46:41] person actually left but hopefully

[1:46:43] they're watching on TV the squl studies

[1:46:45] were um there's two of there's actually

[1:46:48] one it was done when the um in 2022 when

[1:46:52] the uh overlay was first adopted that's

[1:46:55] available from the city we can email it

[1:46:58] to you or you can come in and look at it

[1:47:01] um I'm not sure if it's posted online

[1:47:03] right now but we'll accommodate anyone

[1:47:05] that needs to see it the other squa um

[1:47:08] that we're addressing here is called a

[1:47:10] categorical exemption for infill

[1:47:12] development that's a state carve out

[1:47:14] that exempts this project from requiring

[1:47:17] eir or a negative declaration or

[1:47:19] anything more significant this is a

[1:47:22] qualified site for infill development so

[1:47:26] we're covered on two basis if you if

[1:47:28] you're not satisfied with the one we've

[1:47:29] got the other but um usually you only

[1:47:31] need

[1:47:32] one okay just a uh Greg there's one more

[1:47:36] question yeah it was just someone asked

[1:47:39] of the environmental study if they

[1:47:41] wanted to read it yeah that's what I

[1:47:43] said okay sorry just want it's available

[1:47:45] from the planning department you can

[1:47:46] reach out to any of the well our email

[1:47:49] addresses on the on the city's website

[1:47:51] email us we'll send it to you

[1:47:53] and I did want to just to add back I

[1:47:55] know I saw an email from Nathan earlier

[1:47:56] apparently that SQL file is pretty big

[1:47:59] so it's hard to email so you you guys

[1:48:01] are not were apparently yeah we'll put

[1:48:02] it we'll we'll put it onto a download

[1:48:04] site then if that's the case gotta it's

[1:48:06] a it's definitely a public document and

[1:48:07] anybody can look at

[1:48:10] it okay I can't um we actually don't

[1:48:13] can't take comments from the car that's

[1:48:15] why we have I understand that's why we

[1:48:17] have a public comment but I appreciate

[1:48:19] you thank you have you like to respond

[1:48:21] to sure thank you um and I I do thank

[1:48:24] all the residents for coming out and

[1:48:26] expressing their concerns and I hope by

[1:48:29] some of those responses that I'm that

[1:48:31] I'll be providing to you um show that we

[1:48:35] in our design of the ultimate project

[1:48:38] that is

[1:48:41] uh following the map process that we're

[1:48:44] here for tonight that because of our

[1:48:47] history and my history um that we've

[1:48:49] tried to address those as some what I

[1:48:52] like like to call us project design

[1:48:54] features um and that is um with regards

[1:48:59] to for instance uh the elevation of the

[1:49:02] buildings from 129th Street um we

[1:49:05] initially I mean I've got portions of

[1:49:07] our of our team that are here I was like

[1:49:10] we want to because those houses are

[1:49:12] elevated to some degree I want to drop

[1:49:14] the grade so that's why we're dropping

[1:49:16] the site grade at 129th below 129th to

[1:49:20] help alleviate a three-story structure I

[1:49:23] believe um we don't build homes that are

[1:49:26] 60 ft tall but I believe the housing

[1:49:29] overlay has an allowance of up to 60

[1:49:31] feet uh for Building height we're at 38

[1:49:34] we're three stories so we initially and

[1:49:37] in our proposed designs that are part of

[1:49:40] the tenative track map are lowering the

[1:49:42] elevation of the site 6 to8 feet below

[1:49:45] the elevation of 129th Street um for for

[1:49:48] that reason as Mr mlan mentioned there

[1:49:50] will only be portions of the POR of the

[1:49:53] House of the proposed town homes that

[1:49:54] would be visible from Beyond and above

[1:49:57] at

[1:49:58] 129 um Mr mlan touched on the sidewalk

[1:50:02] um the sidewalk on 129th is very narrow

[1:50:05] it is dirt there are utility poles and

[1:50:07] so forth with it and that's why the City

[1:50:10] Public Works director is wanting that

[1:50:12] sidewalk to be seven feet wide that

[1:50:15] current is the width of the current

[1:50:17] Parkway whether it be sidewalk and dirt

[1:50:19] it's going to be all sidewalk with some

[1:50:20] trees planted along the sidewalk at the

[1:50:23] top of the at the top of the project if

[1:50:25] it is

[1:50:26] approved um regards to the parking that

[1:50:30] we've heard

[1:50:32] um we

[1:50:34] design what we have to have for our

[1:50:38] residents future residents to be happy

[1:50:40] and have a place to park it has to be

[1:50:41] marketable it's something that they look

[1:50:43] at when they come to buy into a project

[1:50:45] that they have ample parking this

[1:50:48] project when built would probably have

[1:50:51] more parking spaces than any most

[1:50:53] projects that you have in the

[1:50:55] city and it is compliant with the

[1:50:58] code with regards to the retaining wall

[1:51:01] at 129th the retaining wall is necessary

[1:51:04] so that we can drop the grade and retain

[1:51:06] this the street at 129th as it is today

[1:51:09] on top of that retaining wall would be

[1:51:11] an open rail fence it's not going to be

[1:51:13] a solid 12 foot 12ft retaining wall it

[1:51:15] be a five to six foot tall retaining

[1:51:17] wall with open rail fencing that would

[1:51:19] have some Landscaping growing up both in

[1:51:21] front and interior to the wall visible

[1:51:24] from

[1:51:26] 129th um The Manor driveway opening that

[1:51:30] Mr Wong and the neighbors that I met

[1:51:32] with had mentioned um we looked at

[1:51:35] trying to redirect that opening and

[1:51:38] still maintain the required fire access

[1:51:41] to another uh to to grela it wasn't

[1:51:45] possible because of the configuration

[1:51:47] and shape of that Northern parcel that

[1:51:50] you see on the map um there is a not

[1:51:52] that goes and I'm going to mention a

[1:51:54] name that goes to in the property of the

[1:51:56] current Nursery that reaches towards

[1:52:00] Tony's house the neighbor to the direct

[1:52:02] north of the site that allows

[1:52:05] for the units the town homes to be built

[1:52:09] on that portion of it and still maintain

[1:52:11] the circulation necessary for uh for

[1:52:14] fire and for trash service but more more

[1:52:16] importantly fire um the South site with

[1:52:20] the loop Street in it has enough room to

[1:52:23] create the loop system so it just has

[1:52:25] the one driveway in and

[1:52:28] out there are no stairs proposed to

[1:52:31] 129th so I think that the parking on

[1:52:33] 129th is not of convenience for the

[1:52:36] residents future residents of this

[1:52:38] proposed project to park on 129th and

[1:52:41] walk all the way around the block to

[1:52:43] come around um the and that was by

[1:52:47] Design to not provide pedestrian link up

[1:52:50] to 129th because they have ample Ada and

[1:52:53] pedestrian link directly down to elaga

[1:52:55] Boulevard and they can get to haam

[1:52:57] Boulevard or Englewood or the high

[1:52:58] school or whatever out on Elsa

[1:53:02] Boulevard

[1:53:05] um

[1:53:08] the the

[1:53:10] letter I think there may be some

[1:53:12] confusion regarding the city's public

[1:53:14] notice letter versus my letter that I

[1:53:16] sent out my letter was only sent to

[1:53:18] those neighbors that are directly

[1:53:19] adjacent to it it goes out in a standard

[1:53:21] envelope that says Malia homes on it it

[1:53:24] maybe looks like any other piece of junk

[1:53:25] mail that we all get in our mail and it

[1:53:27] maybe have tossed out and thrown away um

[1:53:31] I count one two three four uh

[1:53:34] individuals who spoke tonight saying

[1:53:37] they didn't receive that letter that

[1:53:38] were on the mailing list that I mailed

[1:53:40] out so whether or not they saw it it's

[1:53:43] been several months whether they tossed

[1:53:45] it looked at it whatever it may be um

[1:53:48] but those that are directly adjacent did

[1:53:51] receive some correspond for me asking

[1:53:53] for their input and to make contact uh

[1:53:56] with me um and and to introduce myself

[1:53:59] to them um regarding the drainage Andor

[1:54:02] storm water and or

[1:54:04] infiltration um regarding the storm

[1:54:06] water that hits the site a certain

[1:54:08] amount of water from a storm event is

[1:54:10] required to be retained on site as Mr

[1:54:13] mlan mentioned um in this particular

[1:54:15] instance we're doing uh both detention

[1:54:19] on the site in underground storage pipes

[1:54:21] to retain that water volume and then it

[1:54:24] would go into what we call a dryw which

[1:54:27] is basically a chamber that goes down

[1:54:30] about 35 to 40 feet into the Earth and

[1:54:32] the storm water would go into that and

[1:54:34] infiltrate back into the ground and

[1:54:36] hopefully recharge our groundwater Basin

[1:54:38] to some degree heavier storms and so

[1:54:41] forth the codes require certain amount

[1:54:43] of water be retained in a storm that

[1:54:45] continues on and on and on in 100e storm

[1:54:48] all that storm drain water is contained

[1:54:50] and ultimately would run out to Elson

[1:54:52] Boulevard just like the property does

[1:54:56] today is there anything that I missed

[1:54:58] that we would like to go back on

[1:55:00] yeah nope that's all that's it thank you

[1:55:04] any other any questions for the

[1:55:06] commission before I sit down nothing

[1:55:08] else for the applicant I appreciate you

[1:55:10] thank you

[1:55:13] okay Mr

[1:55:15] McLean are there any documents to place

[1:55:17] into the administrative record yes

[1:55:19] several um several emails were received

[1:55:21] they were all provided to you both um by

[1:55:25] email and also put on the

[1:55:27] Das

[1:55:30] okay to my fell Commissioners we have

[1:55:32] any final comments on this item or

[1:55:35] questions for staff I just want to make

[1:55:37] sure that we are clear when it comes to

[1:55:40] questions for staff on this particular

[1:55:42] thing the item that we are talking about

[1:55:44] is the subdivision of the Lots so let's

[1:55:47] make sure that we're keeping our

[1:55:48] comments to that particular part of this

[1:55:50] conversation because the rest of that we

[1:55:52] can't really even we can't give

[1:55:54] directives about so any questions no

[1:55:57] questions for

[1:56:01] staff no

[1:56:03] questions here okay um I will now

[1:56:07] formally close the public hearing on

[1:56:09] these items and do we have a

[1:56:12] motion uh I think I have some comments

[1:56:14] before a motion we go I have some

[1:56:16] comments too here we go first for all

[1:56:19] the people in the room thank you so much

[1:56:20] for coming community participation and

[1:56:23] hear having your voice be heard is a

[1:56:25] crucial part of what we take pride in

[1:56:28] being up here um I think there are days

[1:56:31] like this that it's it's frustrating to

[1:56:34] the folks that are sitting up here of

[1:56:36] the ability and the power that we have

[1:56:38] in this position and what we're able to

[1:56:39] vote on and what we aren't able to vote

[1:56:42] on um and today definitely is one of

[1:56:45] those days um what is put before us is

[1:56:47] taking a 15 lot parcel into a two lot

[1:56:50] parcel it is I wish we we were voting on

[1:56:53] all the other things that were brought

[1:56:54] up here today because as a resident of

[1:56:57] Hawthorne I feel what you are feeling um

[1:57:01] as I mentioned earlier in this session I

[1:57:03] I live very close to 360 and when that

[1:57:07] was built that is 600 units um so

[1:57:10] there's a part of me that was like oh

[1:57:11] gosh I wish it was only 68 but that

[1:57:13] doesn't take away from what you are

[1:57:15] feeling and please do not think I am

[1:57:16] taking anything away from what you are

[1:57:18] feeling because of this um if you anyone

[1:57:22] likes to talk to me about that it it it

[1:57:24] wasn't it didn't end up being even an

[1:57:27] fraction of what we thought it was going

[1:57:29] to be it's worked out very well for us

[1:57:32] um and so if anyone wants to speak to me

[1:57:34] about my experience with that offline

[1:57:36] I'm more than happy to do that but it it

[1:57:38] wasn't as catastrophic as in the

[1:57:41] beginning we thought it was it in in all

[1:57:43] honesty it wasn't catastrophic at all um

[1:57:46] but again this is that was my experience

[1:57:48] that is not your experience and I'm not

[1:57:50] trying to take anything away from that

[1:57:52] so I just wanted to say thank you for

[1:57:54] coming expressing it and saying and

[1:57:56] sharing with you that I wish it was

[1:57:57] something else we were voting on today

[1:57:59] versus what it was because as it is our

[1:58:01] job to just vote and keep the the city

[1:58:04] accountable for what the laws they put

[1:58:06] into place the city council makes the

[1:58:09] laws so again there are meetings every

[1:58:12] two weeks for for that where you can

[1:58:14] once again get on that agenda and can

[1:58:16] talk to them about this and what it is

[1:58:19] for the next phase of the building if

[1:58:21] this goes through tonight so please know

[1:58:24] that that is something it's every other

[1:58:26] Tuesday and you can get time in front of

[1:58:28] the city council because that is that is

[1:58:30] who put this on our docket this evening

[1:58:32] so with that again just thank you thank

[1:58:35] you to Mr Brown for coming and sharing

[1:58:37] everything that you are doing I do say

[1:58:39] that I am happy as a resident of

[1:58:41] hawthone that these are for for sale

[1:58:43] homes and more home ownership because

[1:58:45] with that gets people in activism and

[1:58:48] volunteerism and bringing something to

[1:58:50] this community just being temporary

[1:58:52] residents coming in taking over a space

[1:58:55] and leaving it's pride of ownership it's

[1:58:57] pride of community it's pride of being

[1:58:59] part of something and you never know

[1:59:02] maybe someone if we get lucky that is

[1:59:04] sitting in this in this development will

[1:59:06] be up here and you know being part of a

[1:59:08] bigger part of our community to make it

[1:59:10] better for all of us so um again easy

[1:59:12] for me to say up here we're not dealing

[1:59:14] with the situation but again thank you

[1:59:15] again for coming and no further

[1:59:18] comments I'm just going to picky Bank uh

[1:59:22] on what she

[1:59:23] said the reason why we're here and what

[1:59:25] decisions

[1:59:26] that what Our obligation

[1:59:29] is I know a lot of you have concerns

[1:59:32] about certain things and so forth I do

[1:59:35] understand that

[1:59:37] um the site development for the

[1:59:39] residential purposes allowed here is by

[1:59:45] right so I know you guys have issues

[1:59:48] with building and so forth uh how things

[1:59:51] are going to pen out so forth

[1:59:53] constructions and whatever what have you

[1:59:55] that's going to be a different

[1:59:56] department that takes care of that today

[1:59:59] we're just here for the uh to combine or

[2:00:03] make uh two lots so I just want to make

[2:00:06] sure that we are clear on that um I've

[2:00:10] seen different projects that come to the

[2:00:12] planning department I do have to say

[2:00:15] from what I see and hopefully um it is

[2:00:19] what we're seeing today um I do

[2:00:22] appreciate the idea that instead of

[2:00:23] putting 94 units it is 68 homes not

[2:00:28] Apartments so at

[2:00:30] least it coming to the city someone has

[2:00:33] or can take advantage of the fact that

[2:00:35] they can actually be a homeowner so that

[2:00:38] is something that is a major Pro um with

[2:00:42] this

[2:00:44] project also um I do appreciate the fact

[2:00:49] that um

[2:00:52] Malia Holmes

[2:00:55] uh saw that there were some issues with

[2:00:58] sidewalks and so forth he could actually

[2:00:59] had a five uh foot setback on

[2:01:04] sidewalks they decided to do seven

[2:01:07] that's also a

[2:01:08] pro also widening that street as well or

[2:01:11] making that extra sidewalk I mean it's

[2:01:13] just um that is greatly appreciated if

[2:01:16] that's what they're going to do also the

[2:01:18] trees the vegetation instead of putting

[2:01:22] um smaller trees if they put 12T trees

[2:01:24] that's also was just a consideration for

[2:01:26] them um to maybe consider or at least we

[2:01:30] encourage that so we'll see where they

[2:01:32] go with that um but that is it for me

[2:01:36] and again thank you guys um we do

[2:01:39] appreciate you guys coming um to the

[2:01:42] planning department and expressing your

[2:01:44] concerns I will continue to ask anybody

[2:01:47] who ever has concerns to please come up

[2:01:49] let us hear you and we do appreciate you

[2:01:52] a lot for doing that it just gives us a

[2:01:55] different perspective and Outlook and so

[2:01:57] forth and uh you guys are our eyes some

[2:01:59] sometimes we can't see certain things we

[2:02:01] can at least hear you and then we

[2:02:04] can see where we can we go from there so

[2:02:08] that's it sure um I say most importantly

[2:02:12] thank you to everyone who came out here

[2:02:14] to speak today uh particularly to voice

[2:02:16] your opinion about what's going on in

[2:02:17] your community in your neighborhood

[2:02:19] though it is monumentally important for

[2:02:22] all of us to come in and do this I do

[2:02:24] again I think something commissioner H

[2:02:26] Houston said that it is really important

[2:02:27] for us to hear is that a lot of the

[2:02:30] stuff when it comes from this point is

[2:02:33] important for us to speak at at our city

[2:02:34] council meeting is for us to talk about

[2:02:37] how we want to direct our city like we

[2:02:39] mentioned these are this overlay was

[2:02:41] done part of our general plan our

[2:02:43] general plan was done a while ago and

[2:02:45] this is why it's important for us to be

[2:02:47] at every single one of these meetings

[2:02:49] because two years ago when this was done

[2:02:51] it didn't really

[2:02:52] it was just a thing we did now it's two

[2:02:55] years later and it impacts us so it's

[2:02:57] the reason why we come and we stay up on

[2:02:59] these things when they're happening it's

[2:03:01] a reason why every time there's

[2:03:03] legislation that comes up we read it

[2:03:05] thoroughly and we make sure we

[2:03:06] understand what's happening because that

[2:03:09] would prevent us a lot of us from being

[2:03:10] confused as we go forward in this um

[2:03:14] just share the same sentiments yeah some

[2:03:15] of these things are are disappointing

[2:03:17] when it comes to the way that um you

[2:03:19] know that residents feel about them in

[2:03:21] the time I do hope that everyone has the

[2:03:24] same experience as commissioner Houston

[2:03:25] where it's not that bad I really do

[2:03:28] really do hope that it comes out in a

[2:03:30] great way but personally as we as we sit

[2:03:33] here we've seen a few projects that's

[2:03:35] come past that were only done for

[2:03:38] rentals we we fought as hard as we could

[2:03:41] to try to get things that were not done

[2:03:42] for rentals and there's another space

[2:03:45] where we're hands tied so the fact that

[2:03:47] this time we're actually able to get

[2:03:48] some home ownership out of this I think

[2:03:50] is a is a great is a great piece here

[2:03:53] that's a big win that we should take

[2:03:54] away from and um with that I close there

[2:03:57] and I'll entertain the motion before we

[2:04:00] um have a motion there is one missing

[2:04:03] piece of information that I would like

[2:04:05] to explain and that is given the

[2:04:08] constraints that we're under by state

[2:04:10] law you're probably wondering why are we

[2:04:12] having a hearing and the reason for that

[2:04:15] is that that there's a subdivision

[2:04:19] happening here and subdivisions are not

[2:04:21] all all going to occur inside of the

[2:04:23] housing overlay and other subdivisions

[2:04:26] that come forward in the city all of

[2:04:28] these concerns and all of these issues

[2:04:30] that you've raised would be very

[2:04:31] relevant so that's why subdivisions

[2:04:33] require a public hearing even in a case

[2:04:36] such as this when our hands are

[2:04:37] completely tied I just wanted to make

[2:04:39] that clear we're not doing this just for

[2:04:41] the fun of it um but there's a reason

[2:04:45] behind it that's all got you well with

[2:04:48] that we'll uh entertain a motion to

[2:04:51] entertain a

[2:04:54] motion second motion to approve I second

[2:04:58] okay uh Vice chairperson cohens yes

[2:05:02] commissioner hon yes and chairperson

[2:05:04] Richard yes okay this subdivision map is

[2:05:10] approved

[2:05:12] okay administrative items no items items

[2:05:15] to be placed on future

[2:05:18] agendas or did I skip something

[2:05:21] no um we do have at this time the design

[2:05:24] review that you continued previously um

[2:05:27] was originally intended to be on the

[2:05:29] July 17th meeting I think it's not going

[2:05:31] to make that meeting um so we have

[2:05:35] nothing concrete planned for that July

[2:05:37] 17th meeting but that might change in

[2:05:39] the next two weeks

[2:05:41] okay okay moving on on along we got

[2:05:45] commissioner report so we're going to

[2:05:46] start here with commissioner Houston

[2:05:48] roll

[2:05:49] around nothing

[2:05:55] planning sorry I keep on turning this

[2:05:57] off and on um Planning Commission thank

[2:05:59] you for

[2:06:01] um for doing uh your great work

[2:06:04] appreciate it thank you for um giving us

[2:06:07] all this information that we need in

[2:06:09] order to make our decisions so um just

[2:06:12] wanted to say that but that's

[2:06:14] it okay well happy Fourth of July

[2:06:17] everybody there we go that was my very

[2:06:20] brief note was where thank you all for

[2:06:22] being here the right ahead of your long

[2:06:24] weekend I hope you all you

[2:06:27] know this guy okay well not a long

[2:06:30] weekend for all this Z we'll go that I

[2:06:32] appreciate you guys for spending here

[2:06:34] taking some of your time here here with

[2:06:36] us today again appreciate the residents

[2:06:39] I know everyone's is heading out here we

[2:06:40] appreciate you guys for coming out

[2:06:42] letting us know how you feel about these

[2:06:43] things um and with that I won't hold you

[2:06:47] guys in here too long so I call this

[2:06:49] meeting adjourned at

[2:06:52] oh small

[2:06:53] note this clock time is 7:50 here and

[2:06:57] it's 8:08 up there so I'm trying to

[2:07:00] figure out what time it is time go by

[2:07:02] your phone that's the that's always

[2:07:03] accurate it's 807 sorry actually sorry

[2:07:06] that did I do have one one actual

[2:07:10] question and I just thought about that

[2:07:12] something I noticed when we did the sub

[2:07:14] because of this project when we're doing

[2:07:15] the subdivision uh we at the reason I

[2:07:18] brought up the question about other

[2:07:19] projects that we had that were only

[2:07:21] allowed to be rental is there

[2:07:25] any is there any way that we can utilize

[2:07:27] this this set of um the set of zoning to

[2:07:32] encourage more projects that come in

[2:07:34] that allow for or or only allow to do s

[2:07:38] for sale because right now what we're

[2:07:39] doing is we're we're producing this so

[2:07:41] that way they can sell it but it seems

[2:07:43] like there may be a lot of spaces in the

[2:07:44] city where they're already set up to

[2:07:46] just go these will allow you to do

[2:07:48] rentals and thus we don't have we don't

[2:07:50] even have to have have this conversation

[2:07:52] is there something we can do to kind of

[2:07:54] promote there there is the possibility

[2:07:57] to create incentives for someone to

[2:08:00] choose the ownership option um we we

[2:08:03] we've can look at that we've have been

[2:08:05] kind of looking at that for a while now

[2:08:07] we um we're also looking at other

[2:08:09] incentives such as law consolidations

[2:08:11] and so forth we haven't gotten around to

[2:08:13] codifying those yet um we can't make a

[2:08:15] requirement per se um for two reasons

[2:08:18] one um it it's it's a property right to

[2:08:21] be able to sell or to you know have an

[2:08:24] apartment and the other is that we would

[2:08:27] be anticipating the housing market in

[2:08:31] the city in you know in a year from now

[2:08:33] or two years from now and that's not

[2:08:36] really anything that we're qualified to

[2:08:37] do any of us so builders on the other

[2:08:41] hand have a much better um sense of the

[2:08:43] pulse of the of the market and you know

[2:08:47] and I think the applicant had even

[2:08:48] mentioned that if sales are good things

[2:08:50] will go faster

[2:08:52] right but if sales are slow then things

[2:08:53] will take longer they just you know

[2:08:55] that's just the way housing works and

[2:08:59] none of us in this room can tell you

[2:09:01] whether or not the demand that's going

[2:09:03] to come up in two years or something is

[2:09:05] going to be for renders or owners we're

[2:09:07] all banking on it being owners and

[2:09:09] hoping so especially the applicant I'm

[2:09:11] sure but that's the reason why we don't

[2:09:15] want to get to the point where we're

[2:09:16] dictating one or the other makes

[2:09:19] sense well thank you okay so we call the

[2:09:23] meeting adjourned at 809 p.m. 8:09

Planning Commission Meeting 7/03/24

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