[0:00] Both the alderman were very concerned about the first thing you see. We really wanted to be as close to the

[0:07] clean as possible. There's some orange cones there in the middle of the median where the sign would be located, saying welcome to lock

[0:13] court, and then there would be plantings behind it down the median.

[0:19] This is probably a little too high level to see it, but you can see on here that

[0:22] 355 is there, that's that first intersection and where the plannings would be.

[0:28] This is a bit of a more detail where you can see the sign at about in the middle of

[0:34] that.

[0:34] You can see the arrows pointing to the existing traffic signals out there.

[0:38] It has to be so many feet behind that and then we would have trees and plantings underneath

[0:43] that being very appeasing and pleasing view when you come into the town.

[0:48] This was an extended drawing of just a few more details of what's out there.

[0:54] And of course, the question is how much would this all cost?

[0:57] So we've put $50,000 in the budget last year because we weren't before we embarked on all this.

[1:04] We weren't sure what everything was going to cost.

[1:06] We have gotten multiple estimates on the fake sign.

[1:08] It's about $26,000.

[1:10] We're waiting for some final estimates on running power to the median.

[1:14] we're guessing 10,000 probably be a little less.

[1:18] We explored having water and irrigation to support those plants,

[1:22] but we also felt like that was an awful lot of money

[1:24] that we're not suggesting that at this time,

[1:26] that we can use our own crews to keep things water

[1:30] if we end up with a hot summer.

[1:33] A few dollars for some actual lights, hard-weired lights.

[1:35] We don't feel solar is powerful enough

[1:38] to illuminate what we're trying to do.

[1:40] And then the plantings were bit out

[1:42] and we have about 38,000 in planting.

[1:43] So, right now we're looking at over $100,000 in possibilities for this fiscal because we budgeted $50,000 and we spent a little bit in engineering, we're recommending the $38,000 in options, which is putting the sign in and then powering it up.

[1:59] If the council wanted to, we could add the plantings to that, which would be a total of $77,000, that would be about $27,000 over budget.

[2:08] And that could be done this year if we got the approval for IDOT.

[2:12] But I think it's a decision for the council.

[2:14] Do you want to wait a year and budget for it?

[2:16] Or we have projects that aren't getting completed and there is money in the check with finance.

[2:20] There is money available in the budget if you wanted to spend another $27,000 to try to wrap this all up into one year.

[2:27] But of course, it's still contingent on IDOT approval.

[2:30] But we want to get this in front of you and just kind of discuss it a little bit in regards to some of the options that are available.

[2:36] and the direction from the council and how you'd want to continue to proceed.

[2:40] All right council thoughts, questions, concerns?

[2:43] I have a couple comments. I did call an insurance agent today to find out what the minimum amount of insurance is.

[2:50] If somebody has a minimum, the bare minimum auto, the coverage for crashing into something, bare minimum is 20,000.

[2:58] If someone was to crash into it, what would the sign cost to replace since it's fake?

[3:05] It would be $26,000 in my guess to replace it.

[3:08] It would end up either our insurance or their insurance with settle in regards to if the owner didn't have enough insurance.

[3:15] Would you have the coverage to cover it if they had insurance?

[3:17] Sure, I don't know if that was how that would work, okay.

[3:19] And then with plantings, generally plantings have like a one year warranty on it.

[3:24] And so with your timing of it, when you plant something in, you keep that into consideration too.

[3:30] So just so you know, you know, all are spring I think is best in the one year warranty, so we want to also probably make sure that whatever we plant there is sustainable for salt and the snow.

[3:44] Because we have a huge problem with that in Thunder Hill and so whatever we plant in our island is not really generally last with the snow cloud coming through there.

[3:54] So just keep in mind they do look nice in other towns when the plantings are done right

[3:59] So just keep that in mind the plantings will probably be a continual cost going forward

[4:04] So it will not be some true. It'll be seasonal plantings

[4:07] By the actual sign, but it'll probably need to be something as a line item then budget going forward if we're gonna maintain it

[4:14] So right and that's the thought that you know, we do have some

[4:18] Some of the things in the budget are already where we take care of some things by H Street

[4:21] and the public landing and there's some other areas in the town where we've partnered

[4:26] with the Part District as well where they're taking care of things for us now a little bit.

[4:30] We've just started hanging the new planters that come in every year.

[4:34] We did less this year because of the State Street construction and so there's not a lot in

[4:40] the downtown that there typically is but we'll bring those back when things go up.

[4:43] So we usually do have some money in the budget for those kinds of items but we can certainly

[4:48] We look at this as make sure we had that enough to cover it.

[4:50] And then at the front, why are we not covering prior to the light pull?

[4:54] We would not be able to just put bricks there or stone.

[4:56] I doubt it wouldn't allow it.

[4:57] They had certain restrictions about how many feet they could be back from any existing features

[5:03] as they call them, which is the traffic signals.

[5:06] It would stay grass.

[5:07] Yeah.

[5:08] I mean, I guess we could potentially road until it and put bark down, but I think grass is

[5:11] probably better.

[5:12] Okay.

[5:13] That's all.

[5:14] I have a quick question.

[5:14] So as far as going back to the plant would initially a lot of them be perennial.

[5:18] So you'd be changing out some of the colors for seasons but for the most part you'll be greenering around here.

[5:24] For the most, for 90% of it it would just be greenery and we had test going to associate

[5:28] its landscape person, help with the chance that we're going to be hardy.

[5:32] What we talked about was though some seasonal changes in colors right by the sign of sale.

[5:36] So just really literally very minor plantings, which is kind of what we do at some of the other

[5:41] My name is sites in the town if the one south on state street if you've ever noticed that one

[5:47] Sorry for being so naive on this, but do that 38,000 seems like a lot of money for trees and plants and flowers

[5:56] Have we got another bids? I'm sorry if I don't know. Yeah, we have three bids

[6:01] The highest was about 52,000 the lowest was 38,000 the middle bid was about 43,000. It's a lot of excavation I dot permits

[6:09] plants, plantings, guarantees, with plantings, usually they charge you for a tree three times

[6:15] to get at the cost of plant and the cost for profit, so definitely expensive, so it was

[6:22] more than I was expecting for sure, but we also have to use prevailing wage, and there's

[6:27] a lot of things that factor into it.

[6:29] How much for rocks?

[6:36] This was kind of a subcommittee, you know, in the last year with Jim and Joanne and Pam and I and there was a lot of focus on, you know, cleaning up the town and the image and I think they wanted, there's actually several of these and I should share the plan with the rest of the council and the new members so you can see kind of what was discussed there.

[6:55] There are many entry ways that we're trying to identify to help welcome people in and certainly in some areas that are more

[7:03] Delapidated we want to signify that that's not us that this is where lock port starts and this is where things are more beautiful

[7:10] So there'll be more of these so I think we do need to be careful on the

[7:15] Presses that we set because we're going to try to emulate this in two or three other locations of the city and

[7:21] That's what we can do if you want to.

[7:23] The other thing that this probably is going to be a little bit more expensive because it's

[7:28] right there in the main corridor of 355 and 159th Street.

[7:33] There's a certain size median that's there and people don't realize that that's not our

[7:39] property, but we're asking permission to go in and plan things so that way people start

[7:44] getting the idea.

[7:45] As soon as you hit this section right here, you're entering Lockport and that was the whole

[7:49] thing to dress it up and say look we're here and you know we're ready to go.

[7:54] You could definitely revisit the plantings and try to scale back a few trees and things

[7:59] and save a few extra dollars and sometimes these things are a little over design but I'm

[8:03] not a landscape architect but well especially if we're going to have problems with salt

[8:09] and everything else I mean it's going to be expensive and maintaining it.

[8:13] All right so my question is are guys going to go out there other ones are going to water

[8:19] like they do the baskets, Ben?

[8:21] Correct.

[8:22] We would add that to the program, which we've been doing in partnership with the

[8:26] Part District this year, like to give them things because they've been doing a good

[8:28] job.

[8:29] We have to do it every day.

[8:30] You have to water and fertilize almost every day and for city crews to do it on the weekends

[8:34] and holidays, it gets a little expensive.

[8:36] So the Part District has partnered with us where we kind of do mostly during the week and

[8:38] they do a lot of the weekends and holidays.

[8:41] And there's no more harsh environment than a basket hanging in the sun and the wind.

[8:45] And so we have to give him a lot of attention and this median would be a key monument and

[8:50] image that we would, yes, we have to make sure that we have maintenance and upkeep.

[8:55] I think probably maybe some of the confusion with the plantings maybe is that this picture

[8:59] looks like there's just one bowl of plants there, so I think we don't have an expensive bowl

[9:04] of plants.

[9:05] Yeah, I see.

[9:06] But the whole median is covered with trees and landscaping.

[9:10] The entire thing is.

[9:11] Okay.

[9:11] Yeah, it's it's quite extensive. It looks like there's actually seven seven trees and yeah

[9:17] Yeah quite a bit of plantings and digging things up. Okay. All right, so I guess the question never for everyone

[9:22] I think we're all in agreement. I'm moving forward with the monument. Do you guys want to do plantings or not? I guess that's the question. So

[9:29] It's kind of get us

[9:31] Idea from you guys

[9:33] So what you're asking I mean because we could just start with this first part and then decide if we want to

[9:39] Next year, correct?

[9:41] You bet.

[9:41] We are still waiting for confirmation from my not.

[9:44] They sent us a letter when we originally applied saying can't do it this way.

[9:48] But if you follow X and Y, you will likely be approved.

[9:51] So we did what they told us to do and resummit it.

[9:53] We're hoping for an answer any day now.

[9:55] We wanted to get ahead of it.

[9:56] So if we get the okay, we can get things in right away.

[9:59] We're hoping to install it this year.

[10:01] We budgeted $50,000 in the budget this year.

[10:03] We've spent about five or six.

[10:05] So we still have $44,000 available for this.

[10:09] So if you buy the sign, it will definitely eat up most of this year's budget.

[10:14] And we figured at budget time last year that we would put funds available in each year going forward.

[10:20] We were hopeful to get maybe at least one monument per year.

[10:23] This monument is overly large and elongated because of the median size.

[10:27] So I think future and we can get estimates ahead of time this year's budget because we kind of started late on this one last year.

[10:33] where we'll be able to hopefully put in the budget

[10:36] in an appropriate amount for the next one.

[10:37] It may be 60 or may only be 40.

[10:40] But right now I think to do it to make it pop

[10:43] with a sign and plantings would be 77,000

[10:47] and we only have about 44 left.

[10:49] So we would have to take, not that we'd necessarily take away

[10:52] from another project this year

[10:54] because we have projects that don't get completed,

[10:56] we have money in the budget to do it.

[10:57] But it's a council decision on the investment

[10:59] in regards to doing that.

[11:00] So there's three options then for us to consider.

[11:03] if I'm not mistaken.

[11:04] So, we can do 38,000, get the monument up and look at plantings next year.

[11:08] We have 50,000 budgeted, so conceivably we could do a $38,000 monument and then another

[11:13] 12,000 for some plantings so we stay with them budgeted and then do more than next year.

[11:18] Or we do all the plantings in the monument at once.

[11:21] So it seems to me those are the three options, it really gives us down to what you guys want

[11:25] to do and we'll put it on the agenda for next time.

[11:28] I would bring it back maybe once we get approval, I mean no sense to approve it unless we get

[11:32] I'd that's gonna okay it but all right I could do everything but all right then what why don't we just leave that out there for us to consider and you tell us what I

[11:39] That says we can do it might be a move point. So and also just so that council

[11:44] No, we are actually asking I dot to approve absolutely everything in this one time. Yeah, because they are so slow in responding

[11:52] We didn't want to wait another year just to get a yes or no. So we went in with a fool

[11:59] you know plantings and electric and water if we choose to do that it doesn't

[12:05] mean we're going to do all of it and if we do all in good time and when the

[12:10] money's available but I think just dressing up that section you know with

[12:15] something it's going to just improve the appearance. It will you guys did a good

[12:20] job thank you. Alright so we'll leave those three options floating we'll wait for

[12:23] I'd have to tell us what what they're going to actually allow and then we'll

[12:26] I don't know just how much to move forward with.

[12:31] All right, thanks again, Joanne, to say.

[12:34] Okay.

[12:35] Thank you.

[12:36] Mayor and members of the council, the next item, CA2, is a training session that we discussed

[12:40] at the last council meeting in regards to bringing members of the Heritage and Architecture

[12:45] Committee, Planning and Zoning Commission and the City Council together for a special meeting.

[12:50] We have set that for Wednesday, June 28th at 7 o'clock.

[12:53] We'll have it here in Council Chambers.

[12:56] The individual boards have all been notified

[12:58] and we'll post this online at the City Hall.

[13:01] I just wanted to bring it to your attention

[13:03] that we formally have set the state that we talked about.

[13:06] All right, good.

[13:06] I think that'll be great, so.

[13:08] And our focus is basically proper procedures

[13:12] in things for zoning processes

[13:17] and how we process things in our different meetings.

[13:21] Okay. All right. Dr. Me about July 5th.

[13:25] Yeah, CA3. Mayor and members of the council is the opportunity if you choose to skip the July 5th meeting this year.

[13:33] There's been a lot of vacations announced. And we may or may not be able to grant quorum.

[13:39] And so at this point, we don't see anything dire coming on the agenda for that date.

[13:44] So we could with your consent not have that meeting on July 5th.

[13:48] that we would have the meeting on June, the two meetings in June, and then we'd have one meeting in July on July 19th.

[13:56] Now, the question I have here is, is every meeting we always approve bills to be paid during a period and payroll.

[14:07] So if we, is it possible to go ahead and approve whatever bills that we will be approving on July 5th?

[14:19] So at this special council meeting on June 28th.

[14:23] You know, I was just writing a note to ask him about that as a potential.

[14:26] We could do that.

[14:27] But a number of the bills that you have on your list get done as manuals anyway.

[14:31] And you guys improve those after the fact.

[14:33] So this would have to be the same thing.

[14:35] Anything that had to be paid, we would go ahead and pay.

[14:38] So we didn't have any late fees or penalties on anything.

[14:40] So it wouldn't be late.

[14:42] We would go ahead and get those out.

[14:43] And anything that could wait, we will wait until the second meeting in July.

[14:46] That includes payroll.

[14:47] No, payroll always gets done automatically.

[14:49] You guys always approve that after the fact.

[14:53] So in other words, you feel like it's okay if we don't have to deal with it on that meeting?

[14:58] Yes.

[14:58] And if we had anything on-

[15:00] Emergency, we could always add it to that June 28th meeting. Okay. Feel okay with that, Darren? All right. Is it we good with that then? We all don't have to come to work on the fifth. Okay. All right, good travel holidays. All right. Talk to me about FD one. Who's that? Lisa? Yes, that's me. Thank you, Mayor. The state of Illinois requires annual passage of the prevailing wage ordinance. So we did this last year. If everybody, well, those that were here,

[15:29] remember so we have it in front of you again this year it's ordinance 17-015 the state of Illinois has not

[15:36] updated the wages since July of 2015 so you'll see that those numbers are still included in here but

[15:41] they still do require that we annually pass this ordinance so I'm seeking approval at the next

[15:46] council meeting for that ordinance okay questions concerns does that mean it'll spike if they updated

[15:57] We would have to follow whatever it is, once the state passes it, we would have to follow whatever it passes.

[16:02] Anything or...

[16:03] Oh no, there's no backpacks.

[16:04] So but it'll just, the price will just jump then.

[16:08] I'm guessing everything goes off, so the prevailing wage would go up then when they finally come up with a budget and do their death.

[16:15] Okay.

[16:17] Anything else?

[16:19] Is this something we're okay with the consent agenda then?

[16:22] Yeah.

[16:23] Okay.

[16:26] All right.

[16:27] The budget calendar.

[16:28] So in your packets, the budget calendar for fiscal year 2018, we'll start the budget

[16:34] kickoff in July and we'll start doing some reviews with Council 1-on-1s in September

[16:41] and then we'll present it to the first time at a Council meeting on October 18th.

[16:45] We'll have a public hearing November 1st and then hoping to approve a full budget by November

[16:50] 15th.

[16:51] Any questions on the calendar?

[16:55] No, it looks because that's something we need to approve then.

[16:57] No, I just wanted for information just to make sure everybody was on the same page knowing where we were at.

[17:02] Okay, very good.

[17:03] Come here.

[17:06] All right.

[17:08] It's taken AT1.

[17:10] Mr. Mayor, members of the council, I'll handle the next three items.

[17:12] The first item is a license agreement between the City of Lockport and the Illinois Department of Natural Resources.

[17:19] Over the last 10 to 15 years, Chevron has been remediating the old Texaco site and making many improvements so the property can be redeveloped.

[17:29] So part of that was to deal with storm water management issues that have needed attention.

[17:36] What Chevron has done is they've replaced an old dam with a brand new dam, have added new wear and an inverted siphon.

[17:44] There's a plant that's attached to the council memo that shows you where those are located.

[17:49] And I think for our new council members, if you haven't had a chance to have a tour of the site, it's definitely worth seeing the inner workings of what they've done over the last decade or

[17:59] So, what's before you tonight is a permission from the state to have those facilities there.

[18:05] And, excuse me, and for the city of Lockport to continue maintaining them.

[18:10] The creeks in which those facilities lie are actually owned by the Illinois Department of Natural Resources.

[18:16] So, we need to get permission from them.

[18:18] They usually grant permission through a license, was called a license agreement.

[18:22] Functions like a lease, and it gives us permission to maintain those structures there.

[18:27] here. What's before you tonight is first reading on the license agreement. There's a $200

[18:34] annual fee that the city pays to IDNR for permission to do that. This is a 20-year agreement

[18:41] and IDNR and the city have many agreements along the I&M canal which is owned by the state.

[18:48] City staff is recommending approval. If you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them.

[18:52] Otherwise, our recommendation is to put it on the next agenda for approval.

[18:58] Questions, concerns?

[19:01] All right.

[19:02] Put it on for another damn vote.

[19:05] All right, ma'am.

[19:08] Sorry, couldn't help it.

[19:09] All right.

[19:10] What else you got, Tommy?

[19:11] Next item is an amendment to the administrative adjudication ordinance.

[19:15] Last year, the City Council approved an ordinance change that allowed a lot of the tickets that

[19:20] were previously written for parking and other minor violations, they to go through an administrative

[19:27] adjudication process rather than taking certain offenses to circuit court. As we've gotten

[19:33] into the program and the police department manages this program, there have been some portions

[19:39] of our old code that have either a conflict or are redundant. What's before you is a cleanup

[19:44] ordinance that eliminates some of the conflicts and some of the redundancies. It also corrects

[19:50] the schedule of fines.

[19:52] If you look at the schedule, there's a series of fines that are paid, and there's a way

[19:57] of minimizing how much you pay by paying it within the first 10 days of receiving the

[20:01] ticket.

[20:03] The very tail end of the fines had an error where there was a $10 increase that was intended

[20:10] that did not show up in the code.

[20:12] So what we've done is we've added a provision that changes that schedule and makes certain violations

[20:18] If you haven't paid after the first 56 days of the issuance of the ticket, then it goes up substantially.

[20:28] We actually don't use this too often.

[20:30] Most people end up paying their tickets within the prescribed time, or if they want to contest it.

[20:35] There's a process for contesting it and an administrative adjudication hearing officer makes those decisions.

[20:42] The ordinance before you's been reviewed by the police department and they're recommending approval as MI.

[20:46] if you have any questions to be happy to answer them otherwise we're

[20:50] recommending that this be placed in the next agenda for approval. All right

[20:55] questions concerns? Just a little background on this this this came about year or

[21:01] so go based upon the fact that our municipal code really didn't have a whole lot of

[21:06] bite to it in regards to enforcement. For example we go ahead and we

[21:14] somebody doesn't cut the grass and there's probably half a dozen of more people

[21:19] in town that don't cut the grass, we cut the grass for them and the old way

[21:25] which was basically is as well they just accumulate this debt, accumulate this

[21:30] debt, accumulate this debt until such time Aline was put on their property and if

[21:37] and when they'd ever sell their house in the next 50 years that was the only

[21:41] recourse it to city head. So this puts a little bit of bite into it. So this is phase

[21:48] one of a two-phase implementation of what I'm hoping we'll be doing phase two probably

[21:57] September October.

[22:01] All right. Anything else? Okay. I forgot to ask you out consent for

[22:08] AT1, you guys okay with consent for the license agreement for next time and then are we okay

[22:13] with a consent agenda for this item?

[22:17] All right, what's the last one you got there, Tommy?

[22:18] Last item.

[22:19] It's an amendment to the City Empowerment and Tolling of Vehicles, Ordnance, Deputy Chief

[22:24] Huff and I have been reviewing the State Statute that gives the City the authority to tow

[22:28] vehicles that have been used in the commission of certain offenses.

[22:32] We found that the City Code was not consistent with the State Authorization Statute, so it's

[22:38] It's necessary for us to update the city code so it matches what's allowed by the state.

[22:44] What's before you is basically another cleanup ordinance that gets our towing ordinance in line with what the state authorizes.

[22:50] The city staff is recommending its approval and if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

[22:56] Otherwise, we're recommending approval of this ordinance also at the next meeting.

[23:00] All right, any questions?

[23:02] We're good with consent.

[23:04] Thank you.

[23:06] All right, we've just taken CE1.

[23:16] Whatever you're comfortable, Brent, obviously we'll choose here if I have a choice.

[23:21] Okay.

[23:23] Stay out of the hot seat for a couple more meetings, maybe.

[23:27] This evening we do have an item on the agenda.

[23:29] This is the Public Works, I'll say slash engineering department.

[23:34] Amy Wagner did prepare a memo, so I'm not going to read it word for word, but do want to

[23:39] hit a few highlights in the memo this evening, and then we can talk through it in a little

[23:44] bit more detail.

[23:45] The current project that we have going on, the reconstruction, water main replacements,

[23:50] Jefferson, Washington, Division, 13th, 14th streets, in the city, the project went to bid,

[24:00] the project is under construction currently, the project has been under construction for,

[24:05] I'm sorry, I apologize, project has been under construction, yes, for about a week and a half,

[24:11] I was going to say a couple weeks, but a week and a half the project's been under construction.

[24:17] Before we started construction of this project, what we do as a department is we go out and we do our Julie locates.

[24:24] This is a common practice. This is what we have to do as a department. We have to do this as a utility provider, just like AT&T, ComEd.

[24:33] What we had to do is we had to go out and locate our water main. When we did that, when we went out and located our water main,

[24:39] I mean, we found water man that was not shown on the plans and that was not shown on our previous

[24:44] atlas.

[24:46] In talking with staff, we have an atlas from about the 70s, about 1972.

[24:52] We also have an atlas from about 2007.

[24:55] These are the dates on them.

[24:56] I don't want to tell you that's the exact date, year that they were created, but those are

[25:00] the dates that are on these atlas.

[25:03] Neither atlas showed the water man that we were able to find in the field.

[25:08] And specifically on Jefferson Street from 14th to Division, there was a 4-inch water

[25:14] main that was out in the field that was not shown again on the plans of the Atlas.

[25:20] This is part of our limits of construction.

[25:24] As part of the limits of construction, as part of this project, we are replacing all 4-inch

[25:29] water main.

[25:29] This water main has been deemed substandard.

[25:33] We've had issues on it in the past in these areas.

[25:35] So when we found out that there was a four inch water main that we were unaware of we do we wanted to bring this to council to

[25:43] Include us in the project. We feel now is the time everything's being torn up. We're reconstructing the roadways,

[25:50] reconstructing curb,

[25:52] reconstructing water main on the adjacent blocks. So again as part of this project, we wanted to include that.

[25:59] Moving along to the next intersection Washington,

[26:03] an division, we had a similar situation in addition to, again, the Alice not being accurate

[26:11] when we went out there, we had our staff go out there, we had our water staff do field

[26:15] locates. We also, after talking about, we've had some recent water main breaks in this area.

[26:21] And so, again, once we were kind of able to on paper, here's where the limits of our project

[26:27] scope are, here's where the limits of the water main are, confirm those in the field. We

[26:33] We felt as though we wanted to, number one, clean up the intersection, which you can

[26:37] see, again, refer to specific pages in the memo, but also we wanted to clean up some

[26:45] main breaks.

[26:45] We had some main breaks along Division Street that have occurred over the last several years

[26:49] when you drive up and down Division every time you see a patch.

[26:52] That's what it is.

[26:53] That's a water main break.

[26:54] So as part of this job, again, we wanted to include that.

[26:59] excuse me, so as part of the project and I know as part of the memo, the big question

[27:05] is how do we get here, why do we get here, and those are some questions that I definitely

[27:10] wanted to understand myself. I think for us as a staff, how do we get here?

[27:18] The atlas is

[27:19] something that we have to work on as a city. It's not, I don't think it's just our department

[27:25] I don't think it should all be put back on, I'll say the public works, this is something

[27:30] that's occurred over many years.

[27:33] So to have an atlas that is 50-60-70% accurate, it's almost like we don't have an atlas

[27:40] that we can rely on.

[27:42] And so at one point, do you say it's no longer worth providing to developers, providing

[27:48] to engineers for the project, utilizing as staff to design from.

[27:54] So I think that is one thing that I'm learning and I'm understanding that this Atlas is as far

[28:00] from accurate. Again, over the years I think what it's been is just a compilation of not taking

[28:08] the proper steps to document projects as they were completed. Take that document and information

[28:14] and put it into our Atlas, put it into our mapping system. I think that's not been done. I also think

[28:21] that, you know, when this 4-inch water main, 4-inch water main 50, 60, 70 years old, when

[28:27] that was done, proper records were not taken. Again, why? I don't want to speculate

[28:33] this evening, but those are some issues that we've seen. So that, to me, biggest issue

[28:40] is that atlas. How can we figure that out? How can we address this for the long term?

[28:45] The water, the storm sewer, and the sanitary sewer? So that's kind of the big picture

[28:50] that I see. And I think the next question, honestly, and we've talked internally about

[28:55] this is before we actually started construction on this section of the project, we as a

[29:02] city, we located these issues. So our staff went out there, located the water main, determined

[29:08] that the water main that is shown on the plans, the water main existing did not match what

[29:13] is actually out in the field.

[29:15] So after understanding that, on my end,

[29:19] one of the things that we've talked about in again,

[29:21] this is kind of how I feel like we are going to address this

[29:23] in the future.

[29:25] In addition to the water atlas, the sewer atlas,

[29:27] the storm atlas, we also want to take a little bit more

[29:31] of a proactive approach, rather than waiting until that project

[29:35] goes to bid, and that project is going to start,

[29:38] and we're going to go out and do our Julie

[29:39] locate at that time.

[29:41] Again, talking with staff, we've come up with this is how we're going to do it.

[29:45] During design, so for next year's projects, next year's design projects, we're going to

[29:50] go out and do that Julie Locate now.

[29:53] So we go out, we actually physically locate it to the best of our ability.

[29:56] None of us have x-ray vision.

[29:59] You know,

[30:00] So the best, what you do is you go out there, use the best technology that you can, and we're

[30:06] going to go out and try and locate that water, to eliminate this type of a situation where

[30:10] we're missing an entire block. It's not shown on the atlas. That atlas, again, is what

[30:17] I think has been used as a tool, and I don't know if moving forward if it's the best tool to

[30:22] be used. So that is, again, that's kind of one of the ways that I've talking with staff

[30:27] that we're going to move forward, we're going to address these things. Another

[30:30] issue is a section of Washington

[30:36] and division, especially on division, if we knew that there were water main

[30:39] breaks there, why were those not initially included in the plans? Valid

[30:43] question, I understand that can be a concern, something that, again we've talked

[30:48] about as staff, we've talked about as a department, how can we address this?

[30:54] easiest thing and I know everybody's going to say probably the communication. I think

[31:00] it's getting everybody together and again I think they've done a lot of good communication

[31:05] in the past with the water department and the engineering with the sewer and the engineering.

[31:12] We're going to set everybody down and we're going to really focus on that moving forward

[31:16] here this year, focus on each plan set. Every department gets the ability to review, give

[31:25] comments, and then we're going to have a sign off essentially that somebody is accepting

[31:31] I have reviewed it. This goes to myself as well. I will review them, document it, sign it.

[31:39] Everybody's going to put in their input, and I think we're going to have a heck of a lot

[31:42] more thorough process to hopefully catch as many of these as we can will we catch

[31:47] them all absolutely not I think they're still going to be some potential out there

[31:51] moving forward again none of us have extra vision but I think these are some

[31:56] stuff so we're going to be able to take to alleviate some of these issues all right

[32:02] I have a question, when you say we do the Julie Locate, is it we, our staff, or is it

[32:15] we hire somebody to go ahead and do it? Because every time I've ever seen somebody out

[32:20] there, it's always been somebody from Comet or somebody from NICOR, which leads to the next

[32:29] question here is, is whoever we is, and to be honest with you, I like what you

[32:36] presented going forward, but whoever we is, if

[32:44] we're out there, no, I'm not an engineer,

[32:47] I'm not a Julie guy, okay, I'm just a guy who says, well, it makes sense that if we

[32:56] are out

[33:06] knowing it's in an easement that's probably provided by the city, then by

[33:12] golly within an easement, there's probably going to be something else. And so

[33:17] then you say that, well, we found it after the fact.

[33:22] So,

[33:27] and we had an

[33:28] outside engineering company overview this thing, and it never occurred to them

[33:35] that hey somehow these people are getting water we haven't found the water

[33:43] main but we're just going to go ahead and drop these nice lines on a piece of

[33:48] paper and have a go ahead and with with all these arrows and stuff and dotted

[33:54] lines and hold by the way you know we don't know how these people are getting

[33:59] water I mean it's just so I don't know how I'm disappointed I don't know if I'm

[34:04] disappointed in staff from disappointed in the people that we spent a lot of money actually

[34:10] go ahead and engineering this thing. And that's, you know, I like an explanation from them

[34:17] why they missed this because they were paid a lot of money to design this thing and they

[34:24] screwed up. I think it's very fair question to take take it back to the first question regarding

[34:31] the Julie Locates. Julie Locates are typically you're going to have a couple

[34:36] different companies out there. You're going to have USIC. You'll see their trucks

[34:39] all around. USIC handles AT&T, ComEd, NICore, Comcast. They're basically they are

[34:48] a contracted by all of these utilities and that's who goes out and does all the

[34:55] Locates. So they're locating for many different companies. We do our own. So when

[35:00] I say we are staff our water staff goes out and we actually physically locate our water

[35:04] main in the field so our water staff is who does that sanitary sewer again the same same

[35:11] thing we go out and we locate that so when that Julie comes in we've got 48 hours to go

[35:17] out and we've got you know to do that so again moving forward I really do think that it's

[35:24] something you know that if we do that ahead of time and you do a little bit of

[35:30] investigation when you're out there something doesn't quite look right again I

[35:33] don't want to pretend that this is an ultimate fix because it's gonna take us

[35:37] step forward I don't think it's gonna be an ultimate fix but it will take us

[35:41] that next step quite honestly when I looked at the plans I said probably the same

[35:47] as you regarding our designer the engineer that did the design I was I was

[35:54] disappointed when I first saw the plans. They showed some water services didn't

[36:01] connect anywhere. I needed to understand why, how, how did that happen. The

[36:09] biggest thing that I hear that I understand is that the Atlas was what was

[36:13] provided to them. And then the second thing is some of these services, this is a

[36:18] short block. It's kind of a diagonal block Jefferson from 14th Division. It's kind

[36:25] of an odd block and so the services when they are short like that sometimes when

[36:30] they're short like that again I'm learning this the more I talk and see

[36:33] things they go instead of necessarily having to be right out in front of the

[36:39] house we actually have some pretty long services. Again not what I would

[36:43] recommend not what we would do today but I guess it's not that abnormal to have

[36:48] a service make a 90 and go another 100 feet to a side street and tie in to another

[36:54] water main. Again, is it right? No, we're going to fix that. We're going to eliminate

[36:59] those as we come across them. But again, it's not that abnormal. So I think what happened

[37:03] was when they had that instance where they said, okay, we're not seeing anything. It must

[37:08] be that there's, I don't want to speak for that engineer, but here's what the situation

[37:13] is, do I think it's right? I would have liked us to have pushed a little bit more.

[37:19] Quite honestly, I think that's our job as city staff. The consultants there to do their

[37:24] job, but our job is to manage them.

[37:28] Again, it's a tricky area because none of us have extra

[37:35] vision, so the only way to do it is to maybe do some potholes. That was another thing that

[37:40] we talk about today, moving forward.

[37:44] And again, I don't want to throw all these things out there

[37:47] without really truly evaluating the cost.

[37:49] One of my thoughts, you know, and again,

[37:51] in talking to staff.

[37:54] Next year's projects, we also, we end in a cost

[37:57] for what's called pod-hoeing.

[38:00] You actually go out there in every block.

[38:02] If we think the water means five feet off the back of curb,

[38:06] we go out there in every, let's say, 300 feet

[38:09] or every 600 feet or block corners.

[38:11] And we actually do a pot well.

[38:13] You're essentially just digging it up,

[38:15] finding it, locating it, confirming it's there,

[38:17] doing nothing more than confirmation.

[38:20] Confirming here, here, move on to the next block,

[38:22] confirm here, here.

[38:23] It adds a little bit of cost.

[38:25] My thought would be we would roll that

[38:27] into the previous year's cost.

[38:29] And again, I haven't talked to anybody more than,

[38:31] I mean, these are just some ideas of brainstorming.

[38:33] But we would throw into the 2018 project.

[38:37] We would throw the cost into the 2017 project. Now, again, I understand we're beyond that, but for the 2018 year, we would do those

[38:45] potholes for the 2019 project. 2019, we would do the potholes for 2020. Again, you're talking what I would consider money well spent.

[38:56] a few thousand dollars added to these projects it's not you know it's not like

[39:05] we're talking a hundred thousand dollars we're talking a few thousand dollars to

[39:08] get eyes on these pipes again it eliminates any what ifs where where's this

[39:14] well I'm also thinking here is you know we have the some time soon 12 months or

[39:22] So we will be going ahead and beginning the 2020 to 20 whatever capital improvement plan.

[39:34] And what kind of concerns me here is this whole atlas thing and a kind of piggyback with

[39:41] this is a week or so ago bent rent and I were down on the west side down by the water treatment

[39:51] plant and he has an atlas in this area doesn't show a storm sore and

[40:00] based upon what you've

[40:02] kind of outlined tonight, I don't know if there's a storm sore there or not, we just didn't

[40:07] see it. So I don't know how we do the survey, I don't know how we find these things. I don't

[40:16] How do we find out if if it is true or not if that area down on the west side truly does not have a storm sore

[40:25] Okay, a lot of investigation

[40:27] Okay, and and that's gonna be something so so how do we how do we pay for that?

[40:33] Okay

[40:35] Going forward it because within the cap of room plan we're gonna have to go ahead and have some type of

[40:42] funding available

[40:43] available for 2021, 22, whatever it's going to be.

[40:48] But we can't just start on it in June of 2019.

[40:53] So let me just say some of this back,

[40:56] so I make sure I understand it.

[40:58] One of the big issues we had this time was,

[41:01] when we did Julie, it's after it was designed

[41:03] and we're about to do construction.

[41:04] So it's like, oh my, this is when

[41:06] we found the other water may.

[41:09] I think what your assessment is like, OK, clearly

[41:12] are not accurate and so we need to be doing those kind of locations whether it's through

[41:19] pod-holing or you know locating ahead of time the year before so that way when the projects

[41:26] are being designed we take that into account and I think that's obviously the right thing

[41:31] to do.

[41:32] You know as Darren pointed out it's I think maybe what the point of what you're seeing

[41:39] Indian and Darren is how do we do that for everything, whether it's storm sewers or and because it would be a monumental task to say hey, let's get that at last updated this year, it's probably the prudent thing to do is to look at it a year ahead of time like you're saying we know what our projects are going to be a year ahead of time we could probably take that in chunks maybe a year or two years so we're not overwhelming trying to update the entire old section.

[42:09] in a town. And I think that's the assumption. And you know, you and I had a conversation,

[42:12] but just that one project done Jefferson, where we saw the sewer, wasn't really accurately

[42:17] put. And so we were moving poles for, you know, not really a good reason. So, you know,

[42:22] we've already had the conversation and I feel confident that, you know, as you know, you're

[42:28] on board that, you know, taking a closer look at these projects in the old section of

[42:32] town, you know, the year before is really going to be I think the solution. There's no doubt

[42:38] we're all disappointed in how this played out.

[42:41] Clearly, we have to do this.

[42:42] We can't not do this piece of water main and

[42:45] leave a four inch while we have the larger water mains on either side.

[42:50] Clearly, you know the predicament.

[42:51] We have to come up with a budget.

[42:53] We have to try to fit within the budget.

[42:55] We plan ahead and so when these kind of curve balls are throwing at us,

[42:59] it makes it difficult and confidence wins.

[43:03] So I think some of your solutions are good.

[43:06] and I think it's the right way to approach it in the future and just assume that

[43:13] everything in the old section of town is not what it appears, right? So just

[43:17] get in there, it's like, you know, those of us old old houses in this part of

[43:20] town, we know what happens when we open a wall, right? A lot of scary things are in

[43:24] there. So we have the ability, like you said, through pod-holing or locating to

[43:28] try to get a really good handle on what's what's we're gonna run into in the

[43:33] in the future and doing that ahead of time, I think, is the right answer.

[43:38] All right, what else have you got any other thoughts, concerns here?

[43:41] If I could chime in a little bit here, the project's on hold right now.

[43:46] Where obviously, I don't see anybody here from JJ Benes, who's our representative on this project for JJ Benes?

[43:52] Amy, do we know?

[43:54] Ryan?

[43:59] Little disappointed that he's not here, but we can certainly follow up with them and sit down and discuss this a little bit.

[44:05] But being that it's on hold, and we're here at committee of the whole, that we may incur a

[44:14] remobilization fee as things on roll here.

[44:17] We're going to have to go back to City Council for approval on this expense.

[44:22] I guess I have a question in regards to, had we included this in our plans, if Judge

[44:27] Jimenez had caught this in their early homework, would this cost been about the same?

[44:33] Are we incurring more, I guess, if we had planned ahead with this cost of bin on that bid or is just more expensive now at 115.

[44:40] Other than they see the contingency, which is a little high, but the bid have been $100,000 more.

[44:45] I mean, I guess what I'm getting at is if we're incurring additional costs because of maybe a JJ Venice error and he's not here to defend himself.

[44:53] But, you know, should they bear some of the burden and the fix?

[44:57] I think going forward.

[45:00] We're updating the atlas with Amy's restating of the CIP is a great idea and we infuse those costs into what she's producing to present to you again this summer and put those in as part of the CIP. I think we're going to have to update the atlas and going forward in sections is probably the best. I'm assuming it hasn't been done only twice in the last 40 years because it's probably expensive. I don't know what it would cost to update our atlas all at once or even in sections.

[45:26] But so I guess I'm a little confused as to is there are we going to incur a mobilization fee are we incurring additional cost to do this main that we wouldn't have of had they had planned ahead with it.

[45:40] A little bit of a tough question, because I think talking to a contractor, they're always

[45:49] going to say, well, these are my unit prices, technically we're using unit prices that

[45:53] they provided.

[45:55] The flip side of that is if you're going to do 1,000 feet of water man, and then now we're

[45:59] going to do 1,400 feet of water man, actually, let me see.

[46:03] We're doing another 400 feet of water man, 420 feet of water man, so that obviously increases

[46:08] increases the quantity, which you would think then has the potential, and I want to say definitively, but it would have the potential to adjust that price down.

[46:19] We are, I

[46:22] don't know what I mean, we're doing 16, 2,320 in about 23, 2,400 feet, so another 400 feet on top of that.

[46:32] So, I mean, it's certainly not a quantity that is negligible.

[46:38] I mean, there's a quantity there.

[46:40] Would there be any remobilization?

[46:42] I will tell you if, again, bringing this to council

[46:44] and I understand that our process,

[46:47] we have to bring this to committee of the hall

[46:49] and then to council.

[46:50] If we waited another three weeks,

[46:52] there is a chance that deconstruction

[46:53] would be mobilized off of the project

[46:55] and have to remobilize.

[46:57] So there may be a remobilization cost

[46:59] that would become part of the project

[47:01] that we would not have had.

[47:02] Wait, it's hard.

[47:05] You said that this project is on hold right now?

[47:08] No, it's not. They're working out there.

[47:10] There's just this this area of section these sections are on hold until we made a decision.

[47:16] In other words, until we vote on it, well, that's going to be three weeks from now, right?

[47:20] Well, we can we could put it on City Council tonight.

[47:23] We could vote on it. Does anybody have any problem putting on City Council tonight?

[47:28] I think in the end, we're all probably excited and needs to be done.

[47:31] And I'm not really interested in seeing.

[47:33] No, I don't want to explain out there on, on residents yards.

[47:37] because of a procedural thing and then whatever date that is June 7th and then they're back there on June 8th.

[47:46] I think you're going in the right direction.

[47:50] We can still listen on that agenda and with your kind of verbal consent today we can continue on.

[47:57] I mean we've in the past, if you recall, excuse me, we've done work because it was an emergency to do it

[48:02] and we brought it to you after the fact. I mean this is we're trying to get ahead of it,

[48:05] But I agree if you're going to hold everything up for three weeks, which could be a month

[48:11] Those crews could mobilize to another project and then remobilize back and you know

[48:15] I've been named out be the best idea. You know, this is this is the fourth time in the last three years

[48:21] We had the Vision Street Bridge

[48:23] at Ten Street and we had and we had

[48:28] Ninth and Thorton stop play Ninth and Thorton all came to a halt

[48:33] We're various reasons, okay, and just such an inconvenience, okay, and so, I mean, I'd

[48:46] like to vote on this, I'd like to, you know, put it on the agenda and vote on this, you

[48:52] know, in 20 minutes, you know, instead of just giving a verbal, we're all going to vote

[48:57] on it anyway. Amy wants to see something.

[49:06] Would it not be possible just to put it on

[49:09] consent agenda and give us the go-ahead to give the contractor the. That's a good idea.

[49:18] Ultimately we have to, can't we have a street open. I mean we have to do something. I'm willing

[49:23] to put it on the consent agenda for June 7th meeting. I just want to ask one good one question

[49:30] here.

[49:33] On Jefferson Street, running north and south over division, that's the four-inch line that we're going to abandon.

[49:41] On the right in the middle.

[49:42] Correct.

[49:43] Okay, it looks like the new line that we're proposing to put in the eight-inch line is eventually going to tie into that four-inch line or correct me if I'm wrong.

[49:52] We're going to continue four-inch farther south on Jefferson.

[49:59] We have talked about that and Scott can I have you or Amy? I know we have talked about this one. Yes, there is an existing

[50:06] Forage line on Jefferson south of division that we will be tying back into. Okay, that section of Jefferson Street is in the CIP in a later year to be

[50:17] Replay and we would be able to replace that forage line at that time when we reconciled on the water at list for that job.

[50:26] Okay, so we are temporarily tying into a four inch line even though we know that's kind of way.

[50:33] I mean, if I understand correctly, we really don't have to do this repair.

[50:39] I mean, really don't, I mean, if we would accept four inch as being, you know, water main

[50:45] that's good enough to handle the job, but we, most cases, I think people in the industry

[50:51] realize four inches not the right way to go. So that's why we're correcting it. But we

[50:56] could just say I don't even want to do that and just leave it the way it is. I mean, technically,

[51:00] correct? Good. So we're choosing to do the right way. That's correct. But we're trying to do it

[51:06] the right way and then attaching back into four inch. Hopefully that will pair in the future. That's

[51:10] correct. Yes. Now the other job, the Washington Street. Yes. Now the line we're missing there

[51:19] There is the one, I've seen there's two water lines running east and west on division.

[51:27] One on the north side of the street, one on the south side of the street.

[51:31] There is currently one right, about right down the middle of the street.

[51:36] We thought it was on the south side of the road and it is not on the south side of the road.

[51:40] It's running closer down to the middle of that road on division.

[51:45] What we're going to do is we're going to propose to put it on the north side of the road.

[51:48] So we're seeing all the water main leaks, it's from the existing mine.

[51:58] And how far west on division is that running?

[52:01] How far down the street are we having breaks?

[52:04] A long way, a lot farther than what we're fixing.

[52:07] So is it put that in Spain in?

[52:09] So and you're absolutely correct.

[52:12] We already had that on another project up on McGregor and North where we were done.

[52:17] We were replaced it just on the other side of our tie-in point the main broke

[52:22] Okay, I mean you have to stop somewhere that but you're absolutely right. I mean, yeah every it

[52:27] Water that's that's the good thing about water. It's also where the problems are

[52:33] Well with with the restated CIP that we're gonna be presenting later this year. These are kind of questions and

[52:38] Things that you can pose where you can move if this other four inch main the rest of it is in 2020

[52:44] 20, you could move it up to 2018.

[52:46] It's just what do you kick out, right?

[52:48] I mean, because there's only so much money available each year.

[52:50] And that's where Amy uses a lot of different priorities

[52:52] to set when things are done.

[52:54] I mean, we all look at some of these streets

[52:56] and say, why is this one being done versus others?

[52:58] And there's always a reason.

[53:00] But yeah, unfortunately, it's just not enough money

[53:02] to go around to do it all at once.

[53:04] OK, so the couple of things on the table then.

[53:07] And one, I think is the, we don't want to hold the project up for procedure.

[53:16] I think we all agree it needs to be done.

[53:18] And yes, it's where do you stop?

[53:19] We can always, there's always going to be a forage man that we stop at.

[53:23] We can't afford to replace it all at once.

[53:27] So we have to stop somewhere and then we'll pick up again and that's just understood.

[53:34] So, I think whether we do it on a consent agenda for next week, whatever it's going to keep it rolling is what's most important to me right now.

[53:43] So, if a consent agenda is enough of a message to send to the industry that says you guys can keep rolling, I'm okay with that.

[53:50] Then the second side of this is, you know, kind of the plan of attack for how we deal with, you know, our atlas and how we get ahead of these projects before they're designed, because I'm sure JJ Beness, I'm not here to carry the water, but they'll just say, as Atlas, I was given, man, you know, so are they responsible for locating it during the design process.

[54:14] So then maybe that is the kind of I think the problem been alluded to if they just go off of what we give them

[54:19] It's really hard to you know to the wall for something

[54:23] But all that kind of stuff I think you know we look forward to you clearing up so that we stop having these kinds of issues in the future

[54:32] When we bid out jobs in the future or design jobs in the future can we I mean

[54:38] Do I understand properly that if we say let's say we're going to use J.J.

[54:41] events again. When you say I want to do so and so straight between this block and this

[54:47] block, don't you pay for what you want. I mean, if you say I want every manhole opened,

[54:53] I want the whole inspection during your design, that's one way to ask them to bid their design.

[55:01] The other way is you could say, give me, you don't have to open up. We're going to assume

[55:06] this and this and this. So how do we want to move? Can't you ask for like a cheaper design or more expensive design in the process?

[55:15] You could. I mean, absolutely. If you're handing them all this information, you're saying this is going to be your base. This is going to be your base map. Absolutely.

[55:22] I would expect that price to be significantly lower because there is a lot of surveying, upfront surveying, again, investigation time. So, yeah, absolutely.

[55:31] So let's kind of answer Daren's question, like, how do you, you know, jobs in the future?

[55:37] How do we trust the, I mean, basically, I mean, when we go to design the next job,

[55:41] I mean, you can do it the thorough way at that time.

[55:44] It's not like we need to water Atlas as, you know, today, I mean, but as we move forward,

[55:52] I mean, you can determine what's there and what's not there.

[55:54] And in one way that staff is done a very good job of collecting information because we have a lot of good information over the past, I'll say five, six, seven years where we've gotten a lot of record drawings as bolts, we've gotten a lot of of our own work that's been done a lot of record keeping now we just have to figure out a way to not I don't want to say figure out we have to determine the best way to move forward with putting that information down on paper because again we have a 2007 paper

[56:24] map that has nothing from that point on that we have we you know we take our

[56:29] best notes that we can again staff has done the best they can I think with putting

[56:33] those on paper and we have some internal maps that are farther along in these

[56:37] external but we need to figure out a way now again my biggest thing is if we're

[56:40] gonna hand these things out I want to have some you know ability to say yeah

[56:46] these are accurate if not I don't I don't trust handing them out quite

[56:52] honestly. And so that's where it's at. I do want to, the other quick thing I do want to mention,

[56:56] I did not go over this, but we budgeted $1,666,000 as part of this project. The bids came in a little

[57:04] under a million four. So we had, we did have some excess funds. We had about $290,000. That was

[57:11] budgeted versus what was actually awarded. We're asking for $115,000 to be, you know, as part of

[57:18] this project. So again, we're, I understand, I don't want to, I don't want to make it sound

[57:24] like, yeah, this is money that was there. This is just fun money. That's not the way that

[57:27] I'm approaching this. But we did have a budget and the award came in underneath that budget.

[57:32] So we do have some funds that were available as part of this budget.

[57:37] Okay. And I'll tell you what, Brent, that's important to us. The idea that hey, we came in

[57:40] under budget. So it's all good. That's not the way we want to operate. And I appreciate

[57:44] that you see it that way, too.

[57:46] Okay.

[57:47] Guys, one more final thing.

[57:48] Of course.

[57:49] Do you feel that Alderman Patrocos, you know he's not here,

[57:52] that his questions were answered tonight?

[57:55] Or do you think we need to ask anything else?

[57:58] I think we're going to have quite a few Morgan discussions

[58:00] with Alderman Patrocos on this issue.

[58:02] And I'd be glad to invite him to our meeting with JJ Venice.

[58:05] And if we're going to go for consent and move this along

[58:07] for the good of the project,

[58:08] I'd be happy to involve him as an architect.

[58:11] He knows how to read plans and be involved.

[58:13] and we can speak to JJ Benis in regards to our expectations.

[58:17] We'll probably be going out for another RFQ in regards to inviting companies and firms

[58:23] on who we work with and we want to make sure we set the expectations that this is old infrastructure

[58:27] and we do need support and help in verification or where things are and as we update our address

[58:33] and I think the pot holding is an excellent idea.

[58:36] So yeah, I think we'll involve him.

[58:39] Okay, thank you.

[58:40] Instead of the public meetings with him, we'll have him with the private meetings.

[58:43] All right, so in the meantime were we okay with putting it on the consent for the June meeting first week of June?

[58:49] Okay, all right, so we'll do that and that should keep the project rolling then everyone

[58:55] See the problem is Gordy was the human atlas, right?

[59:00] If I knew it all I know where that water might was. Yeah, so

[59:06] All right everyone thanks

[59:09] All right any new business that anyone have all good

[59:14] All right, then we're just looking for a motion to adjourn.

[59:18] Really quickly, just an update.

[59:20] There is Memorial Day Services that will be occurring in town, 9 o'clock at the Lockport

[59:26] Cemetery, which is next to St. Joe's Church, that same church.

[59:29] We'll be closing off the road there in front for about an hour or so to just heads up for people to live nearby.

[59:36] Yeah, I think it's going to be a really interesting Memorial Day service.

[59:39] We tried to change gears a little bit.

[59:41] It was about kind of going back to the roots of Memorial Day, when it was a remembrance day,

[59:49] when after the Civil War folks would go out to the graves of their loved ones who fell

[59:56] during that war, and they would go decorate their graves.

[1:00:00] We thought of doing something similar this year. We have veterans all the way back to the War of 1812 and the Lockport Cemetery. And so starting with the folks we know who are there and having some direction and having a ceremony there and letting people go out and visit those graves, I think is a good and proper way to celebrate Memorial Day.

[1:00:21] So the one thing maybe we could request, and maybe we could put this in the paper.

[1:00:27] We do not know all the people that are currently there that are veterans.

[1:00:32] Ramlith has found about 80 right now.

[1:00:35] We're working on, it's time consuming, very time consuming.

[1:00:39] Bob and him will be meeting on Friday the 19th to start putting the flags up.

[1:00:44] We've never done this before.

[1:00:46] We do not know how much time that would take.

[1:00:48] The Boy Scouts will be helping us too.

[1:00:50] So there's a whole bunch of people doing this. The cemetery has, I believe, 80 or 8,000

[1:00:57] grapes there. So this is large. When you don't know where someone is located, then to

[1:01:01] put a flag up. So this would have to start small and then build. But I think we should also

[1:01:07] include something in the paper saying if you have a family member that you want to flag

[1:01:11] so we don't leave somebody out. Because right now we're just picking the ones we had time

[1:01:16] to find. Okay thank you all right everyone anything else okay look at for a

[1:01:25] motion to adjourn Rene seconded by Joanne all in favor all right okay do you guys

[1:01:34] need to break you want to roll through okay all right so city council just

[1:01:43] Tell us when you're ready and we'll get going.

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