[0:01] I would la now like to call the January

[0:04] 13, 2026 Longmont City Council regular

[0:08] session to order. The live stream of

[0:10] this meeting can be viewed at the city's

[0:12] YouTube channel or longpublicdia.org

[0:16] um front back slwatch back um backslash

[0:20] or comcast channels 8 and 880. Uh can we

[0:24] have a roll call, please?

[0:27] >> Absolutely. Mayor Doggoering

[0:29] » Absolutely. Mayor Doggoering

[0:29] >> here.

[0:30] » here.

[0:30] >> Mayor Prom McCoy

[0:31] » Mayor Prom McCoy

[0:31] >> present.

[0:31] » present.

[0:31] >> Council member Christ

[0:33] » Council member Christ

[0:33] >> present.

[0:33] » present.

[0:33] >> Council member Marcen

[0:34] » Council member Marcen

[0:34] >> here.

[0:35] » here.

[0:35] >> Council member Prito

[0:36] » Council member Prito

[0:36] >> present.

[0:37] » present.

[0:37] >> Council member Popkin

[0:38] » Council member Popkin

[0:38] >> here.

[0:38] » here.

[0:38] >> Mayor Yavor.

[0:39] » Mayor Yavor.

[0:39] >> Okay, let's stand for the pledge.

[0:45] » I pledge algiance to the flag of the

[0:48] United States of America and to the

[0:51] republic for which it stands. One nation

[0:54] under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[0:57] justice for all.

[1:06] » In accordance with council's rules of

[1:08] procedure, the rules for providing

[1:10] public comment are as follows. Only

[1:12] Longmont residents and employees of the

[1:14] city of Longmont may speak during first

[1:16] call public invited to be heard. You

[1:19] must provide your um address on the

[1:21] signup sheet before the meeting or I

[1:23] will not call your name. Each speaker is

[1:25] limited to three minutes.

[1:28] Anyone may speak on second reading or

[1:31] public hearing um public hearing of an

[1:34] item. Uh you are asked to add your name

[1:36] to the speaker list for the specific

[1:38] item before the meeting. Anyone may

[1:41] speak during final call public invited

[1:43] to be heard. Members of the audience

[1:45] shall refrain from vulgar, disruptive,

[1:48] or abusive language, applause, heckling,

[1:50] or other actions that interfere with the

[1:53] orderly function of council. May I have

[1:56] a um so we are now at the approval of

[1:58] the December 16th, 2025 minutes. Uh may

[2:00] I have a motion to approve the minutes?

[2:03] >> Okay, so the um motion has been made by

[2:06] » Okay, so the um motion has been made by

[2:06] Mayor Prom McCoy. And do I have a

[2:09] second?

[2:09] >> Second.

[2:10] » Second.

[2:10] >> Um and council member Prietto has

[2:12] » Um and council member Prietto has

[2:12] seconded that. Is there discussion?

[2:15] Okay, there you are. Council member

[2:18] Christ.

[2:19] Um, hold on. There you go.

[2:26] so I noticed we had a discussion early

[2:28] on um in terms of our um appointments to

[2:32] boards about the airport advisory board

[2:35] and after that uh we had other

[2:38] appointments that we made where we were

[2:39] not able to fill the boards and it says

[2:43] that council did not fill this seat and

[2:47] I I just want to be clear that there was

[2:49] no controversy in any of the other

[2:50] boards and so I'm suggesting that maybe

[2:53] we add having the words having no other

[2:58] um applications that seat was not filled

[3:02] for what whichever board it is

[3:06] >> specifically what page are you looking

[3:07] » specifically what page are you looking

[3:08] on

[3:08] >> I just want to see the language

[3:10] » I just want to see the language

[3:10] >> and I'm trying to find it now because um

[3:14] » and I'm trying to find it now because um

[3:14] let's see

[3:17] let me make sure I'm in the right one

[3:19] here

[3:22] that happened later in the

[3:26] So hang on.

[3:36] » Start on.

[3:38] >> Thank you.

[3:41] » Okay. I'm only on 10. So

[3:43] >> Okay. If you refer to 16 and 17.

[3:48] » Okay. If you refer to 16 and 17.

[3:48] Thank you, councelor Mercy.

[3:49] >> Yes.

[3:52] » Yes.

[3:52] >> Okay.

[3:58] So on page 16 [sighs]

[4:00] um

[4:02] there was a discussion about the airport

[4:04] advisory board and um reopening

[4:06] applications and then um

[4:12] later on for instance on 17 it uh the it

[4:16] is annotated that one vacancy was not

[4:18] filled without explanation.

[4:21] And um whereas uh when it comes to the

[4:25] golf course advisory board, it says no

[4:27] applications were received for this

[4:28] board. Thus, two vacancies were not

[4:30] filled. So I just want to be consistent

[4:32] and say uh where

[4:36] um for instance housing and human ser

[4:40] human services

[4:42] uh

[4:44] we appointed one individual and then

[4:47] three vacancies were not filled. And so

[4:50] I would like to add a verbiage that says

[4:52] having no other applicants, three

[4:55] vacancies were not filled

[5:00] because then you go to master board of

[5:02] appeals and it says no applications were

[5:03] received. Thus, three vacancies were not

[5:06] filled. Um

[5:10] so um so Don

[5:13] is that something we can just amend? Do

[5:16] you want um do you need a

[5:19] >> We can make that addition. That's

[5:20] » We can make that addition. That's

[5:20] >> We can make it that addition. Okay.

[5:23] » We can make it that addition. Okay.

[5:23] >> Or that correction amendment. Okay. And

[5:24] » Or that correction amendment. Okay. And

[5:24] before we route them to you for final

[5:26] signature.

[5:27] >> Okay. Does anyone is anyone in

[5:29] » Okay. Does anyone is anyone in

[5:29] opposition of making the adjustment to

[5:32] for um consistency in language.

[5:36] Okay. So,

[5:39] okay. Let me go back to the main page.

[5:41] So, we have an open motion. So to

[5:44] approve the December 16th, 2025 minutes

[5:49] with the um clarification in board

[5:53] appointments.

[5:55] Um

[5:57] so Mayor Prom, do you

[5:59] >> I'm fine with that.

[6:00] » I'm fine with that.

[6:00] >> Okay. Okay. So let's go ahead and vote

[6:03] » Okay. Okay. So let's go ahead and vote

[6:03] on the motion with the changes.

[6:09] >> We do. We have the options. options.

[6:13] » We're not supposed to have all those

[6:15] options. [laughter]

[6:19] » Okay. So, um the minutes have been

[6:22] approved. They carry um unanimously.

[6:26] >> Okay. I see Alex's name on there, but

[6:29] » Okay. I see Alex's name on there, but

[6:29] not yet.

[6:31] Okay.

[6:34] So now we are on to agenda re um

[6:36] revisions, submissions of documents and

[6:38] motions to direct city manager to add

[6:41] future agenda items. Um do we have any

[6:45] are there any agenda revisions or

[6:48] motions to

[6:51] um for future agenda items? Council

[6:54] member

[6:56] Marcen.

[6:57] >> Thank you, Mayor. I move that we direct

[6:58] » Thank you, Mayor. I move that we direct

[6:58] the city manager to place on the agenda

[7:00] for the February 3rd study session an

[7:03] item to review and discuss rule 27

[7:06] sections F through M of the city council

[7:09] rules of procedure related to board and

[7:12] commission appointments prior to the

[7:15] next board and commission recruitment

[7:16] cycle.

[7:17] >> Seconded.

[7:19] » Seconded.

[7:19] >> Okay. So um the motion has been made by

[7:23] » Okay. So um the motion has been made by

[7:23] council member Marcen, seconded by

[7:25] council member McCoy. Um, so we Oops, I

[7:28] accidentally turned you off. It um, so I

[7:31] was going to ask if we had any

[7:32] discussion. Council member Popkin.

[7:35] >> Yeah, thank you, Mayor, and thank you,

[7:36] » Yeah, thank you, Mayor, and thank you,

[7:36] uh, Council Member Marcos. Just for, uh,

[7:38] those of us who don't have the rules and

[7:40] procedures up in front of us and for the

[7:42] members of the public here, could you

[7:43] just elaborate on what those specific

[7:44] rules refer to? Yeah, essentially rule

[7:46] 27 was a rule added, my understanding

[7:48] mayor would have the history better

[7:50] around 2019 2020 that reestablished a

[7:52] new process for how board and

[7:54] commissions were to be appointed, for

[7:56] how members were to be appointed. It

[7:57] essentially empowered boards to have a

[7:59] significant say in in that overall

[8:02] process. Sections F through M

[8:03] specifically speaks to how that is to

[8:05] happen. Boards will interview

[8:07] candidates, recommend candidates, etc.,

[8:09] etc. I'm not necessarily tonight

[8:11] commenting on the substance of of you

[8:13] know what the conversation is. I'm

[8:15] saying we need to have that conversation

[8:16] about whether that specific section of

[8:19] our rules of procedure and how the board

[8:20] appointment process currently works is

[8:23] still working for us as a council. And

[8:25] that's and and to do that before we open

[8:27] up the process again.

[8:29] >> Uh thank you council member Russ. And

[8:30] » Uh thank you council member Russ. And

[8:30] then the other question I had uh I think

[8:32] maybe this is for the mayor. Um, do we

[8:34] have any study session yet planned where

[8:36] we're talking about kind of uh council's

[8:39] expectation like process and

[8:41] expectations for what we desire from uh

[8:44] proactively from our boards and

[8:45] commissions yet? I know that topic came

[8:47] up a little bit the end of last year and

[8:48] so I'm just curious if that's scheduled

[8:50] yet. So I had during the last discussion

[8:53] asked to be put on a future agenda a

[8:55] discussion on our liaison

[8:57] >> but I'm almost wondering and we'll we'll

[8:59] » but I'm almost wondering and we'll we'll

[8:59] once we discuss around retreat that

[9:02] might be a better conversation for the

[9:04] retreat since it's not

[9:06] >> actually it might not be changing langu

[9:09] » actually it might not be changing langu

[9:09] it's not going to be changing language

[9:10] on our rules of procedure it's just how

[9:12] we conduct ourselves and we're all on

[9:14] the same page for liaison you know our

[9:17] conduct as liaison Um, so I I feel like

[9:22] those are two separate conversations

[9:25] even though they're related to advisory

[9:26] boards.

[9:27] >> Oh, that's fine. I was just curious if

[9:28] » Oh, that's fine. I was just curious if

[9:28] that was

[9:28] >> so that Yeah, I don't I don't want to

[9:30] » so that Yeah, I don't I don't want to

[9:30] interweave those two together. Um, so

[9:33] yeah. So I hope that answers that.

[9:34] >> It does. Thank you.

[9:35] » It does. Thank you.

[9:35] >> Very good. Okay. Do we have any other

[9:38] » Very good. Okay. Do we have any other

[9:38] Okay.

[9:39] >> Okay. So if we don't have any other

[9:42] » Okay. So if we don't have any other

[9:42] discussion on the matter, let's go ahead

[9:44] and vote.

[9:53] Okay. And the um motion carries

[9:55] unanimously to add to a February 3rd

[9:58] study session item um to discuss rule 27

[10:02] of our council rules and procedures.

[10:06] Okay. So now we are on to Oh, unless we

[10:09] have Oh, yeah. You too. There you go.

[10:12] Thank you. Um Council Member Christ.

[10:16] Thank you, mayor. I move that we also

[10:20] bring back on February 3rd study session

[10:22] a discussion about our city flag and

[10:26] installing a new flag pole at the civic

[10:29] center.

[10:32] » Seconded.

[10:33] >> Thank you. Okay. So, the motion to um

[10:36] » Thank you. Okay. So, the motion to um

[10:36] discuss our city flag and

[10:38] >> was the other and a flag pole um in

[10:41] » was the other and a flag pole um in

[10:41] front of our civic center was made by

[10:43] council member Chris, seconded by

[10:45] council member McCoy. Do we have any

[10:46] discussion on the matter? Um council

[10:49] member Marcy.

[10:51] >> Thank you, mayor. Just a quick question.

[10:52] » Thank you, mayor. Just a quick question.

[10:52] And council member Christ, is your hope

[10:53] with the motion and the discussion to

[10:56] discuss the appearance of the flag, the

[10:59] contents of the flag, or just hanging

[11:01] the current city flag in its own space

[11:04] in front of the the in front of on a new

[11:06] flag pole? Like what is the intent? Is

[11:08] it a broader conversation about the flag

[11:10] or just about placement? Because we've

[11:12] had members of the public come forward

[11:13] and comment about the flag. So, I'm

[11:15] looking to just wonder what the scope

[11:16] you're looking for here is.

[11:20] >> Well, thank you, Council Marzy.

[11:22] » Well, thank you, Council Marzy.

[11:22] Uh first of all, I think we should fly

[11:25] the flag that we have, you know, with

[11:26] pride and uh we have it second to the uh

[11:30] Colorado flag at the at this time. Would

[11:33] be nice to have its own flag pole, but

[11:35] secondarily, this is also our America

[11:38] 250, Colorado 150 celebration year. And

[11:41] I realize that our flag is about 52

[11:44] years old. And maybe this is a good time

[11:47] to reconsider and come up with a

[11:49] commemorate commemorative flag perhaps

[11:52] to to mark our 150th and 250th

[11:56] anniversary and um other members of the

[12:00] public has have discussed this with our

[12:01] staff and it seems like there would be

[12:04] some expense to putting in a new flag

[12:06] pole. uh one of the national initiatives

[12:09] is to create service uh year of service

[12:13] for America 250. And so I would just

[12:15] like to have a discussion on February

[12:17] 3rd about what do we need to do to have

[12:20] that happen so that we can take it

[12:22] forward to the public, find funding for

[12:24] it if there is um interest in it and um

[12:28] can make it happen.

[12:30] >> So clarification on the it. So, I heard

[12:33] » So clarification on the it. So, I heard

[12:33] you say um it So, are you referring to

[12:36] the flag pole for public input on the

[12:39] flag pole or public input on redesigning

[12:42] the flag?

[12:43] >> Both would have some expense. So, it' be

[12:45] » Both would have some expense. So, it' be

[12:45] nice to know how much for each

[12:47] >> for each. Okay.

[12:48] » for each. Okay.

[12:48] >> And then see if we can get participation

[12:50] » And then see if we can get participation

[12:50] to do one or both.

[12:53] >> Okay. Um so, we're not making up our

[12:56] » Okay. Um so, we're not making up our

[12:56] mind tonight. It would just be voting to

[12:58] to put this on a future study session

[13:00] item. Um, are there any other questions?

[13:05] Okay. So, let's go ahead and vote.

[13:16] Okay. So, that carries. Um, the motion

[13:18] carries. Um, five to one with council

[13:21] member Marcine in descent.

[13:25] >> Oh, okay. Well, we can bring it forward

[13:27] » Oh, okay. Well, we can bring it forward

[13:27] to discuss and then you could say I love

[13:29] the current flag. Don't change it. So,

[13:32] [laughter]

[13:33] okay. So, um, now we're on to the city

[13:36] manager's report. Does the city manager

[13:38] have a report?

[13:38] >> No report, mayor, council.

[13:40] » No report, mayor, council.

[13:40] >> Okay. Thank you. We are now on to

[13:42] » Okay. Thank you. We are now on to

[13:42] special reports and presentations. Um,

[13:45] so we are now at item A, the

[13:47] administration of oath of office to city

[13:49] council member Ward 3 after election by

[13:52] acclamation. Um, I'm inviting our city

[13:55] clerk, Don Kintana, to administer oath

[13:58] of office to council member Kulkoffer.

[14:01] And I hope I said it correct.

[14:11] » Test test.

[14:20] Extend.

[14:26] » I'm gonna have you hold the microphone.

[14:27] >> What if I drop it?

[14:28] » What if I drop it?

[14:28] >> In your left hand.

[14:30] » In your left hand.

[14:30] >> Raise your right hand.

[14:32] » Raise your right hand.

[14:32] >> Repeat after me. I state your name.

[14:34] » Repeat after me. I state your name.

[14:34] >> I, Alexander Caloffer,

[14:36] » I, Alexander Caloffer,

[14:36] >> do solemnly swear. do solemnly swear

[14:38] » do solemnly swear. do solemnly swear

[14:38] >> that I will support the Constitution of

[14:39] » that I will support the Constitution of

[14:39] the United States

[14:40] >> that I will support the Constitution of

[14:42] » that I will support the Constitution of

[14:42] the United States

[14:42] >> the Constitution of the State of

[14:44] » the Constitution of the State of

[14:44] Colorado

[14:44] >> the Constitution of the State of

[14:45] » the Constitution of the State of

[14:45] Colorado

[14:46] >> the laws of the State of Colorado

[14:47] » the laws of the State of Colorado

[14:48] >> the laws of the state of Colorado

[14:49] » the laws of the state of Colorado

[14:49] >> and the charter and ordinances of the

[14:51] » and the charter and ordinances of the

[14:51] city of Longmont

[14:51] >> and the charter and ordinance of the

[14:53] » and the charter and ordinance of the

[14:53] city of Longmont

[14:54] >> and that I will faithfully perform the

[14:55] » and that I will faithfully perform the

[14:55] duties

[14:56] >> and I will faithfully perform the duties

[14:58] » and I will faithfully perform the duties

[14:58] >> of the office of council member W three

[15:00] » of the office of council member W three

[15:00] >> of the office of council member W three

[15:03] » of the office of council member W three

[15:03] >> upon which I'm about to enter

[15:05] » upon which I'm about to enter

[15:05] >> abouton which

[15:07] » abouton which

[15:07] >> upon which I'm about to enter.

[15:09] » upon which I'm about to enter.

[15:09] >> To the best of my ability

[15:10] » To the best of my ability

[15:10] >> to the best of my ability,

[15:11] » to the best of my ability,

[15:11] >> you are now sworn in. Congratulations.

[15:13] » you are now sworn in. Congratulations.

[15:13] >> Thank you. [applause]

[15:18] [applause]

[15:20] >> If you would just

[15:47] Okay, welcome to the fray. [laughter]

[15:57] Okay. So, we are now at item B, a

[15:59] proclamation designating January 12th

[16:02] through the 19th, 2026 as honoring Dr.

[16:05] Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Week in

[16:07] Longmont, Colorado. So, I would like to

[16:09] invite the members of the MLK planning

[16:12] committee to accept the um um

[16:15] proclamation. But let me before we

[16:16] begin, I'm going to go ahead and read

[16:18] the proclamation. So we have here a

[16:21] proclamation designating January 12th

[16:24] through the 19th, 2026 as honoring Dr.

[16:27] Martin Luther King Jr. week in Longmont,

[16:29] Colorado. Whereas January 19th, 2026

[16:33] marks Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. holiday

[16:37] on which uh we honor Dr. King's

[16:40] unwavering fight for the absence of

[16:42] oppression and the presence of

[16:45] opportunity for all who sacrificed to

[16:47] sew the seeds for a movement of peace,

[16:50] equality, and justice. And whereas

[16:53] across the nation, in the state of

[16:55] Colorado, and in the city of Longmont,

[16:57] honoring Dr. King has become a week of

[16:59] service within our communities. Events

[17:01] held throughout Boulder County are made

[17:04] possible by the commitment and

[17:05] dedication of volunteers from diverse

[17:07] backgrounds. hand. Whereas the combined

[17:10] efforts of those volunteers are a

[17:13] fulfillment of Dr. King's dream and

[17:15] highlight the importance of the civil

[17:17] rights movement and the need to act. And

[17:20] whereas Mr. Robert Trey Morris III

[17:24] through his commitment to Longmont youth

[17:26] and families has given many years of

[17:28] steadfast support to Martin Luther King

[17:31] Jr. programming and values throughout

[17:34] the community. Now therefore, I, Susie

[17:36] Algo Farering, mayor, by virtue of the

[17:39] authority vested in me and the city

[17:41] council of the city of Longmont, do

[17:42] hereby proclaim the week of January 12th

[17:45] through the 19th, 2026 as honoring Dr.

[17:48] Martin Luther King Jr. week in Longmont

[17:51] and invite all to attend this exciting

[17:53] program honoring Dr. King. Thank you.

[17:57] So, would um the members of the

[17:59] committee like to

[18:01] come on up and speak? Right.

[18:26] » There we go.

[18:27] >> I'll figure it out eventually.

[18:29] » I'll figure it out eventually.

[18:29] >> [clears throat]

[18:30] » [clears throat]

[18:30] >> Uh first I would like to uh take this

[18:33] » Uh first I would like to uh take this

[18:33] opportunity. I have not spoken before

[18:34] the council since the last election. I

[18:36] want to take the opportunity to issue

[18:38] congratulations to uh those of you who

[18:40] have won uh new elections to Mayor Susie

[18:43] Dogo Ferry. Uh we certainly uh

[18:47] appreciate you and your leadership. Um,

[18:50] one thing that I that I did want to say

[18:52] specifically about the event, it'll be

[18:54] happening on the um on the 16th of this

[18:58] week, on the 16th of this March, which

[19:00] is Friday of this week at Silver Creek

[19:02] High School at 5:30. Uh, there will be

[19:05] refreshments to be had. And this year's

[19:07] program, we decided to focus on uh a

[19:10] letter from a Birmingham jail. If you

[19:12] have not uh read that, I would highly

[19:15] recommend you do. Uh it when you start

[19:18] reading it, it feels like it was written

[19:19] yesterday. Um to that I would like to uh

[19:25] I find that if we have trouble for if we

[19:28] have trouble finding the words, it's

[19:30] most wise to look at the words of the

[19:32] people who have come before us. Um so as

[19:36] far as I know there are there are a lot

[19:37] of people who are nervous around the

[19:40] amount of uh protests that have popped

[19:42] up around the United States and things

[19:44] of that nature. Um, so I I would like to

[19:46] read an excerpt from the letter from

[19:48] Birmingham jail if you will allow me.

[19:50] Um, you may well ask why direct action?

[19:54] Why sitins, marches, and so forth? Isn't

[19:56] negotiation a better path? You were

[19:58] quite right in calling for negotiation.

[20:01] Indeed, this is the very purpose of

[20:02] direct action. Non-violent direct action

[20:05] seeks to create such a crisis and foster

[20:07] such a tension that a community which

[20:09] has constantly refused to negotiate is

[20:12] forced to confront this issue. It seeks

[20:14] to so dramatize the issue that it can no

[20:17] longer be ignored. My citing the

[20:19] creation of tension as part of the work

[20:21] of nonviolent resistor may sound rather

[20:24] shocking, but I must confess that I am

[20:26] not afraid of the word tension. I have

[20:28] earnestly opposed violent tension, but

[20:30] there is a type of constructive

[20:32] nonviolent tension which is necessary

[20:34] for growth. And to that I would say to

[20:37] those who are nervous about the

[20:39] non-violent protest you've seen pop up

[20:42] um in the in honor of Dr. King, we

[20:44] should embrace that tension. We should

[20:47] push it because it will push for

[20:49] conversations with folks who refuse to

[20:51] have those. Um once again, I uh thank

[20:55] you very much for uh for the

[20:58] proclamation. I appreciate it and I hope

[21:00] to continue to work with you all in the

[21:02] future. Thank you.

[21:03] >> Great. Thank you.

[21:08] » [applause]

[21:11] » Good evening once again. My 47th year

[21:14] here in this town. Uh my name is I'm

[21:18] called Minister Glenda Strong Robinson

[21:22] and uh I'm a 40 going on a 47th year

[21:25] resident of Longmont. Um some of you may

[21:29] know, some of you may not. I was in that

[21:33] march with Dr. King, his very last march

[21:36] on March 28th, 1968.

[21:39] And actually, I have a picture. I was

[21:42] looking at it uh with Trey this week.

[21:47] And in that last march,

[21:51] there were National Guardsmen,

[21:53] there were police officers, dogs,

[21:57] uh fire trucks with water hoses all

[22:00] around us.

[22:02] We're back there. We're back there

[22:05] today. And uh will we survive it? You

[22:08] bet we will. But we can't do it unless

[22:11] we do it together. And so, um, this just

[22:16] it it just triggers so many things. I

[22:18] see Arkansas is here. He and I share a

[22:21] passion for that time that we were

[22:25] freedom isn't free, folks. Somebody died

[22:28] for all of us, red, yellow, brown,

[22:31] black, white, to be sitting in the

[22:34] spaces that we're sitting in now. Sorry,

[22:36] I'm a preacher at my church, Second

[22:39] Baptist in Boulder. I won't preach to

[22:42] you, but I just want you to know freedom

[22:45] isn't free. And every one of us here has

[22:49] a voice that we can contribute. There is

[22:52] something we can do. First thing we can

[22:55] do is show up. Anyhow, I better stop.

[22:58] Thank you very much. Thank you.

[23:02] [applause]

[23:04] » Would you all do was anyone else want to

[23:06] come forward and speak? Okay. Okay.

[23:09] Would you all like a picture?

[23:11] Yes.

[23:12] >> Take the picture. Come on.

[25:32] Okay, we are now at first call. Um

[25:35] public invited to be heard. And um I'm

[25:37] actually going to start by calling three

[25:39] names first. So the speaker and then the

[25:42] two other folks can just be ready to be

[25:45] ready to go. Mayor, could I chime in? I

[25:47] apologize. We are having a

[25:49] >> live stream issue.

[25:51] » live stream issue.

[25:51] >> Okay. Wonder if you're welcome to keep

[25:54] » Okay. Wonder if you're welcome to keep

[25:54] going but the live stream is not

[25:56] functioning 100%.

[25:58] >> Okay. Um do you want

[25:59] » Okay. Um do you want

[25:59] >> we will need to pause for a we're

[26:01] » we will need to pause for a we're

[26:01] waiting for some tech help. Sergio's on

[26:03] his way.

[26:04] >> Okay. Okay. So this is um is it's not in

[26:07] » Okay. Okay. So this is um is it's not in

[26:07] house. It's LPM issue. Is that so there

[26:11] >> I'm not sure where the issue is 100%.

[26:13] » I'm not sure where the issue is 100%.

[26:13] >> So I'm wondering if we should take a

[26:15] » So I'm wondering if we should take a

[26:15] break.

[26:17] >> Harold seems to think that might not be

[26:19] » Harold seems to think that might not be

[26:19] a terrible idea. Okay.

[26:20] >> Well, I think if we know Sergio's on his

[26:22] » Well, I think if we know Sergio's on his

[26:22] way.

[26:23] >> Yeah.

[26:24] » Yeah.

[26:24] >> If you want to move.

[26:24] » If you want to move.

[26:24] >> Is he coming? Oh,

[26:26] » Is he coming? Oh,

[26:26] >> are we good now?

[26:27] » are we good now?

[26:27] >> Okay.

[26:28] » Okay.

[26:28] >> We're good. All right. All right. Never

[26:29] » We're good. All right. All right. Never

[26:29] mind.

[26:29] >> Okay. Well, take your

[26:30] » Okay. Well, take your

[26:30] >> car to the mechanic.

[26:31] » car to the mechanic.

[26:31] >> Okay. Thanks. [laughter]

[26:34] » Okay. Thanks. [laughter]

[26:34] Um, so the first name on the list is

[26:36] Pavll Ivanova.

[26:39] And I'm going to go ahead and Tom Smith

[26:41] and Lance Whitaker. If you two want to

[26:43] be ready to

[26:46] come on up next and you may turn on your

[26:50] mic and if you could restate your name

[26:52] please.

[26:53] >> Yes. Good evening. My name is P Levanov.

[26:58] » Hi and uh happy new year. Um haven't

[27:00] seen you for a while. Um council. Today

[27:02] I would like to read an email by the CEO

[27:04] of Lock Safety to apparently all police

[27:07] department chiefs they work with and at

[27:08] least the VA Stanton Police Department

[27:11] team.

[27:12] Um

[27:14] the email reads, I'm writing to you

[27:17] directly because I want there to be zero

[27:19] confusion about what's happening. Flock

[27:21] has never been hacked ever. Flock is a

[27:23] building tools to help you fight the

[27:25] real crime affecting communities across

[27:27] the country. Many activists don't like

[27:29] that. Let's call this what it is. Flock

[27:31] and the law enforcement agencies we

[27:33] partner with are undercoordinated

[27:35] attack. The attacks aren't new. You've

[27:37] been dealing with this forever. And

[27:39] we've been dealing with this since our

[27:41] founding from the same activist groups

[27:43] who want to defund the police, weaken

[27:44] public safety, and normalize loness

[27:46] lawlessness. Now they're producing

[27:48] YouTube videos with misleading

[27:50] headlines. They're also trying to turn a

[27:52] public records process into a weapon

[27:54] against you and against us.

[27:58] >> [gasps]

[27:59] » [gasps]

[27:59] >> I don't think we're a tech and flock. I

[28:02] » I don't think we're a tech and flock. I

[28:02] also don't think that proposing civil

[28:03] discussion in a lawful and timely manner

[28:06] in front of police department and

[28:07] elected council is bad. I think that all

[28:12] residents of Lment are insanely grateful

[28:14] to have you and being able to see actual

[28:16] change. It's it's always good. I also

[28:19] wanted to touch upon the point of

[28:21] weaponizing public records. I do want to

[28:24] give some the guys some points here. I

[28:26] agree that people should not be able to

[28:28] subpoena or request footage and

[28:30] information from a system with such an

[28:32] insanely broad and indiscriminate data

[28:34] of citizens. I think however he wouldn't

[28:36] agree with my reasons for and similar

[28:39] requests have existed decades before

[28:41] flock came to life. In fact, the CEO was

[28:44] born after was requested. It is a very

[28:46] important tool that allows citizens to

[28:48] support the systems of check checks and

[28:50] balances. It is not a weapon against

[28:52] council members or the police, but it

[28:54] does allow us to spot out the possible

[28:56] bad apples. And I think in that case,

[28:58] Flock and similar indiscriminate

[29:00] automatic tracking tools is the bad

[29:02] apple. And after all, if Flock didn't

[29:05] want to be subjected to for risks, it

[29:07] shouldn't have signed contracts with

[29:08] public tax funded government. That is

[29:12] all. Thank you, council.

[29:13] >> Thank you. Okay, Tom Smith.

[29:33] Good evening. My name is Tom Smith. I

[29:35] live at 1049 Champion Circle. I rather

[29:39] than congratulate all of you in election

[29:41] time, I'd say thank you more so than for

[29:45] serving and willingness to participate.

[29:48] I think that's very important.

[29:50] I have uh a letter I've drafted that is

[29:54] I've addressed to the mayor, city

[29:56] council, and my purpose is twofold.

[30:00] Tonight, for the last 3 years or so,

[30:03] I've been entrenched in learning about

[30:09] annexation, development, city codes,

[30:11] building yada yada. And two things that

[30:15] come from this that um I need to share

[30:18] is we got a lot of nice help from a lot

[30:20] of good staff people,

[30:23] not to mention the Texas Tech Red

[30:25] Raiders going down tubes. Um

[30:30] the uh two things that I'd like to share

[30:32] with you are two requests, but these are

[30:35] mine and these are based on the

[30:37] education that the city provided me. I'd

[30:40] say number one is that the document

[30:44] known as Envision Longmont be suspended

[30:47] immediately and until such time it is

[30:50] modified, updated, or discarded.

[30:53] Secondly, I'd ask that my subdivision be

[30:57] returned to single family zoning. And to

[31:00] summarize and give you some insight to

[31:02] some of this, I have prepared and I will

[31:05] leave with the city clerk a variety of

[31:09] documents.

[31:10] This one you might recognize comes from

[31:14] Envision Longmont and Mr. Penland and

[31:17] one of his staff gave me some insight to

[31:20] it and I'm sorry but it doesn't have the

[31:23] kind of support and validity that I

[31:26] think the Longmont people deserve. as

[31:28] well as there are contradictions in it

[31:31] in envision Armont that contradict the

[31:35] ninth edition of the planners guide that

[31:37] was edited by one of the same people

[31:40] from Clarion who had a hand in envision

[31:43] logbot. I also was able to uh do

[31:48] something fairly straightforward.

[31:51] I find a lot of language in it ambiguous

[31:54] and there are a lot of uh wiggle room

[31:56] things. I ran the spelling, excuse me,

[31:59] the reading test on it. Take a shot at

[32:02] what reading level it is,

[32:06] 14th grade.

[32:08] And couple of teachers here might know

[32:10] that that's not close to the average

[32:12] reading level for the American public.

[32:16] And then uh with my subdivision, there

[32:19] were a number of uh issues that were

[32:23] done either incorrectly or with bad

[32:26] information.

[32:28] And I'll give these documents to the

[32:30] city clerk. Thank you.

[32:32] >> Thank you, Tom. Um Lance Whitaker.

[32:38] » And excuse me, my wife is ill and I'm

[32:40] going to go home and be a husband.

[32:41] >> Yep. Take care of her. Thank you. Um

[32:45] » Yep. Take care of her. Thank you. Um

[32:45] Okay. And then following Lance, uh,

[32:47] Matthew Spencer and then Madlin Strong

[32:49] Woodley.

[32:57] » Hi, Mayor and Council. My name is Lance

[32:59] Whitaker. Um,

[33:02] sorry, I'm sort of working off

[33:05] a media I'm not used to. I lost my list.

[33:09] Uh, Lance Whitaker, 1750 Collier Street,

[33:12] Longmont, Colorado. I've been a resident

[33:14] for about 44 years. Uh, I'd like to

[33:17] mention today is National

[33:20] Shop for Travel Day, National

[33:23] KoreanAmerican Day, National Sticker

[33:27] Day. Uh, we got enough of those all over

[33:29] town.

[33:31] Uh, National Steven Foster Memorial Day,

[33:35] National Peach Melba Day. I love Peach

[33:38] Melba. and also National Rubber Ducky

[33:42] Day. And if you got a Jeep, you probably

[33:45] got several of those on your dashboard.

[33:47] So, um it is also, uh

[33:53] Mickey Mouse's first comic strip came

[33:55] out today. Um and that's all I have

[33:58] today. Thank you. Have a nice day.

[34:01] >> Great. Thank you. U Matthew Spencer,

[34:04] » Great. Thank you. U Matthew Spencer,

[34:04] >> is there a way to display an image?

[34:11] Don, can they display an image?

[34:14] >> Um, we request that they're sent ahead

[34:16] » Um, we request that they're sent ahead

[34:16] of time. Oh,

[34:17] >> okay. The office said to bring it and

[34:18] » okay. The office said to bring it and

[34:18] put it like in the moment.

[34:20] >> If you send it to us, I can send it to

[34:21] » If you send it to us, I can send it to

[34:21] them.

[34:23] >> We can send it to them. You send it to

[34:24] » We can send it to them. You send it to

[34:24] >> Okay, great.

[34:31] » No. Oh, there you go. You

[34:32] >> Good evening, Longland City Council. My

[34:34] » Good evening, Longland City Council. My

[34:34] name is Matthew Spencer. I'm the

[34:35] associate pastor at Christ Church

[34:37] International on Main Street.

[34:39] >> Sorry.

[34:40] » Sorry.

[34:40] >> Oh, yeah. Thank you. On Main Street,

[34:43] » Oh, yeah. Thank you. On Main Street,

[34:43] right across the street from the pump

[34:45] house and the Chamber of Commerce

[34:46] building. I'm also this year as of today

[34:48] the new chair of the Ambassadors

[34:50] Committee representing the Longmont Area

[34:51] Chamber of Commerce to new businesses.

[34:54] So, uh anyone in uh want to join the

[34:56] chamber, you're welcome to. Um I'm here

[34:58] today to talk about the official

[34:59] Longmont City flag. For years, it uh

[35:02] bothered me that very few few people

[35:04] even knew that Longmont has an official

[35:06] city flag. Furthermore, it bothered me

[35:09] that the civic center itself wasn't even

[35:11] flying our official flag. A while back,

[35:14] I reached out to you, the council, and

[35:15] the city manager by email about this

[35:17] issue, and I'd like to thank assistant

[35:19] city manager Sandy for getting the flag

[35:21] flying again last year underneath the

[35:23] Colorado flag. But I'd also like to

[35:26] continue this by initiating and

[35:28] catalyzing two things this year as the

[35:30] celebrations take place around America

[35:32] and Colorado to mark our 250th

[35:35] anniversary as a nation and our 150th

[35:38] year as a state. Number one, I'd like to

[35:41] see and I'm super thrilled to hear Diane

[35:43] Christ uh a permanent third flag pole to

[35:46] be installed right here outside our

[35:47] civic center to fly our official

[35:49] Longmont flag. I feel that if we don't

[35:51] have a designated flag pole to celebrate

[35:53] our city, it could very easily

[35:55] accidentally not be flown again and then

[35:57] once again disregarded for years to

[35:59] come. And I'm also noticing I don't see

[36:01] a flag in this room, which would be

[36:03] great. Um, secondly, so I think we need

[36:06] to celebrate our heritage and have, you

[36:07] know, we need to fly the flag we have.

[36:09] That's where we need to start. Right

[36:10] there. Right on.

[36:13] >> Thank you. Secondly, I'd also like to I

[36:15] » Thank you. Secondly, I'd also like to I

[36:15] would like to uh I want to ask the

[36:16] council to begin the process uh and

[36:18] swift execution of I would like to see a

[36:20] new Longmont flag for the future as our

[36:23] city becomes a major competitive player

[36:25] in the county and the state. While we

[36:28] should celebrate the legacy of the old

[36:29] flag, it is a bit of a headscratcher.

[36:32] It doesn't um it doesn't really

[36:34] represent our city very well. A new

[36:36] better flag will help unite us, help

[36:38] people have a sense of identity and

[36:40] inclusivity. The flag should be very

[36:42] simple, beautiful, uh, easily

[36:44] identifiable. I think that the Twin

[36:46] Peaks should should definitely be on it.

[36:48] That will help clearly symbolize our

[36:50] city and people group. I think, uh, a

[36:54] Colorado color scheme would be great.

[36:57] I've brought two images that hopefully

[36:58] you can all see. I don't know if they're

[37:00] up yet. Um, so let's celebrate Longmont

[37:02] with a new flag. Um,

[37:05] >> there's a story behind it.

[37:06] » there's a story behind it.

[37:06] >> Okay, great. So, I had my friend Chat

[37:08] » Okay, great. So, I had my friend Chat

[37:08] helped render

[37:11] uh what a third flag pole would look

[37:12] like out here. And Sandy says it cost

[37:14] $7,000.

[37:16] >> So, I'd love I'd love to see the city

[37:17] » So, I'd love I'd love to see the city

[37:17] get it done. I've already talked to uh

[37:20] the Rosary or not the Rotary

[37:23] >> Rotary Club

[37:25] » Rotary Club

[37:25] >> and um and also uh Kowanas Club. So, I'd

[37:29] » and um and also uh Kowanas Club. So, I'd

[37:29] like to see that happen somehow. I know

[37:30] there's a way to get it up there because

[37:32] I think we need to celebrate, you know,

[37:34] the big thing is celebrate Longmont. Um,

[37:37] and I designed a flag I'm wearing here

[37:39] on the hat and I I called this the

[37:42] celebrate Longmont flag and the idea is

[37:43] to celebrate Longmont. Let's fly a flag.

[37:46] [laughter]

[37:47] >> So, thank you all. Thank you so much for

[37:49] » So, thank you all. Thank you so much for

[37:49] what you what you do. We pray for you

[37:50] guys.

[37:50] >> Okay. Thank you, Matthew. Um, Meline

[37:55] » Okay. Thank you, Matthew. Um, Meline

[37:55] >> and then following uh Meline, we have

[37:58] » and then following uh Meline, we have

[37:58] Strider and then Paul

[38:02] Stalls.

[38:04] >> Good evening everyone. It is so good to

[38:07] » Good evening everyone. It is so good to

[38:07] see you guys. Happy New Year. Happy

[38:09] 2026.

[38:11] I uh want to just share with you that in

[38:14] addition to the Martin Luther King

[38:17] celebrations that are phenomenal,

[38:20] uh I'm would love to see everyone there,

[38:24] uh that's January the 16th and the 18th.

[38:27] And in addition to that, I wanted to

[38:29] also uh make you aware that uh in the

[38:34] with the dissolution of the NAACP

[38:36] Boulder County branch, our organization,

[38:40] the Executive Committee for

[38:43] African-American Cultural Events is uh

[38:47] EASE is the short version [laughter]

[38:50] will be uh making sure that nothing goes

[38:54] lacking in terms of the services that we

[38:57] delivered in collaboration with the

[39:00] NAACP.

[39:02] And uh there will be a formal

[39:04] announcement coming out. You'll get uh

[39:06] the press release is going out tomorrow

[39:08] morning and I will make sure that it

[39:11] gets here so you can spread the word.

[39:13] Nothing will go undone.

[39:17] We're here. That's ECASE Executive

[39:19] Committee for African-American Cultural

[39:21] Events. Ecase

[39:23] ecase.org for any other information. And

[39:26] thank you so much for your usual

[39:28] support.

[39:30] >> Thank you.

[39:31] » Thank you.

[39:31] >> Thank you. Okay, Strider.

[39:51] Yeah. Um,

[39:53] got my whistle. Strider Benston 9517th.

[39:59] Um, my daughter lives in Minneapolis

[40:03] right near where they murdered George

[40:05] Floyd. So, uh, I haven't been able to

[40:08] reach her the last couple of days, but

[40:11] uh, [snorts] it's my shirt. Uh, um, uh,

[40:19] make Renee good trouble. Yeah. Um,

[40:24] some of y'all know that um

[40:29] my guide, my colleague, my friend Martin

[40:32] Luther King um he would have been 97

[40:37] years old in two days. Um I um um

[40:46] 61 years ago in January I walked to

[40:52] Selma in a freezing rain. It took me

[40:55] five days. I got to Selma and a bunch of

[40:59] kids gathered around me said what's your

[41:01] name? I said Jim. He said Jim where you

[41:06] from? I said Arkansas. Arkansas. your

[41:09] name Arkansas. So that's still my name

[41:13] in the movement. Everyone in the

[41:15] movement calls me Arkansas except for

[41:18] Stokeley Carmichael. He called me Jim

[41:21] because I met him before the movement.

[41:24] He's the one that recruited me into the

[41:27] movement. But I listened to Fanny Lou

[41:30] Hamer speak uh um on the boardwalk in

[41:33] Atlantic City. And um that's uh that's

[41:38] uh what brought me in. Um the people of

[41:42] Selma scheduled me on an airplane flight

[41:45] and a hotel room um this March, but the

[41:49] Boulder Elite blocked me from going. So

[41:53] I'm not supposed to be able to be there

[41:55] after 61 years uh in the movement. I

[41:59] walked in a freezing rain. But um I was

[42:03] organizer of rank and foul in the

[42:05] teamsters and and uh the mail handlers

[42:10] unions. And um um one just one thing I

[42:16] organized a demonstration at the tangers

[42:20] hall in Chicago in support of the farm

[42:23] workers union. Their agents were killing

[42:26] farm workers organizers at the time and

[42:30] stealing the contracts from the growers

[42:33] to to disc.

[42:37] Dolores

[42:39] created the union and Ella Baker

[42:42] basically created the civil rights

[42:44] movement. She organized both SNICK and

[42:48] SCLC. But history is illegal in this

[42:51] country and I'm a historian. [music] So

[42:54] that's why I'm not allowed to speak. Um,

[42:58] my book, If White Kids Die, might still

[43:02] be in the library. It's about one month

[43:04] of my life in 1965.

[43:07] >> Thank you, Strider. Thank you. Good.

[43:09] » Thank you, Strider. Thank you. Good.

[43:09] Okay. Um, no clapping, so keeping the

[43:12] orderly conduct of the meeting, but

[43:14] thank you. Um, Paul Stalls,

[43:23] » good evening.

[43:25] Okay, I just like to share some concerns

[43:28] over the management of Ute Creek Golf

[43:30] Course. I'll be the first to say this is

[43:31] not exactly a big problem and and seems

[43:34] petty compared to some of the other

[43:35] topics, but I just want to give you some

[43:36] feedback so you know what's going on. Um

[43:39] none of the issues are particularly

[43:40] earthshattering but I think in the uh

[43:42] accumulation uh they represent a decline

[43:45] in standards at a time when costs have

[43:47] increased dramatically. So I just want

[43:48] to bring it to your attention. Firstly

[43:50] this summer I noticed many of the ball

[43:52] wash stations I told you this was not on

[43:54] the same magnitude as the other topics

[43:56] had been had been removed. Um I asked

[43:59] management why and they said oh I asked

[44:01] staff why and they said oh the

[44:02] management doesn't like them. So I

[44:04] emailed Keith Martin. No reply. I

[44:06] followed up was introduced to Dan Ree uh

[44:08] on the second attempt golf course

[44:10] supervisor and received a reply removed

[44:13] due to cost to maintain and to reduce

[44:16] some of the clutter around the tea

[44:18] boxes. So I I I replied back saying

[44:22] clutter I don't understand what that is.

[44:24] What what are you talking about? And

[44:25] I've not since had a reply. These ball

[44:27] stations are about 250 bucks each. So a

[44:29] whole bunch of new ones have been put in

[44:31] at Twin Peaks. So but at UK Creek we're

[44:33] removing them. Uh secondly, um due to

[44:37] concerns about slow pay, you probably

[44:38] know if you're a golfer, you're limited

[44:40] to a maximum of four players. So um we

[44:43] the customers are expressly limited and

[44:45] stopped from playing as a group of five

[44:46] if you got an extra friend or anything.

[44:48] So one, uh but I've noticed frequently

[44:50] there are groups of five playing. I I

[44:52] didn't give my address, Sundance Drive.

[44:54] I oversee my I my house backs onto Uke.

[44:58] So I asked the staff, I said, you know,

[45:00] have you changed your policy? I noticed

[45:01] some fives playing. Like no, no, no. And

[45:03] I said, "What about the group yesterday

[45:04] morning?" "Oh, they're employees."

[45:05] "That's okay. They're employees."

[45:07] "Okay." Another time I was playing as a

[45:09] single. The group in four I caught up

[45:11] with in front of me and they turned

[45:12] around and said, "Do you want to play

[45:13] with me? Do you want to play with us?"

[45:15] Which is very nice. I said, "Well, no,

[45:17] I'm okay, but actually I can't. We're

[45:18] not supposed to play unless we're four's

[45:21] the max." And they said, "Oh, it's okay.

[45:23] We work here." was the reply. So, both

[45:25] examples show a culture of entitlement

[45:27] and hypocrisy and putting the employees

[45:29] desires ahead of the customers. Thirdly,

[45:32] in the summer, I saw a trench had been

[45:34] dug between the fifth and sixth holes,

[45:36] and it's filled with several thousand

[45:39] range balls. Got a picture of that here,

[45:42] too. This is just part of the trench.

[45:44] You can obviously look at your leisure.

[45:45] Um, so it's not covered. They just

[45:48] they're just dumped there. Um, you know,

[45:51] range balls don't compost as far as far

[45:53] as I'm aware. So, I don't know what the

[45:54] thinking was or why we're doing that. So

[45:57] in conclusion, uh the decline in

[45:59] standards seems to have happened at the

[46:01] same time as prices have gone from 40 to

[46:03] 50 for a round at the weekend to this

[46:05] weekend, one of the rounds on Saturday

[46:07] is $98. So over the last three years,

[46:10] prices have have doubled uh going up 10

[46:13] 15% a year cumulatively. Uh standards

[46:16] have dropped and uh I'm sharing this

[46:19] feedback in the hope that one of three

[46:21] things will happen. And at the very

[46:22] least, whoever Dan and Keith report to,

[46:25] let's give them this feedback and uh

[46:28] hopefully they take the feedback

[46:29] seriously. Even better, if there's a

[46:31] formal annual review process, this

[46:33] decline in standards is considered an

[46:35] inaluation and any merit increases. And

[46:37] thirdly,

[46:37] >> and that that is time. Can you send us

[46:39] » and that that is time. Can you send us

[46:40] an the email of that? Do you have

[46:41] >> I have the email as well. Oh, perfect.

[46:43] » I have the email as well. Oh, perfect.

[46:43] My final point would just if the

[46:45] >> I'm sorry, the time is up. So, I have to

[46:47] » I'm sorry, the time is up. So, I have to

[46:47] follow the rules. [laughter]

[46:48] >> All right. I think they're over

[46:50] » All right. I think they're over

[46:50] incentivized on profitability and

[46:51] services are dropping and they should be

[46:53] revisited.

[46:54] >> Okay. I don't want to disregard that. Um

[46:56] » Okay. I don't want to disregard that. Um

[46:56] but we are moving to the next person,

[46:58] Scott Stewart.

[47:01] >> Mayor, members of council, uh Scott

[47:02] » Mayor, members of council, uh Scott

[47:02] Stewart, 229 Grand Street. Um

[47:06] during your retreat conversation on 12C,

[47:10] um if you could please include uh try to

[47:13] include on the agenda, uh conversation

[47:15] around the airport. Um

[47:20] the impact that the airport that has on

[47:23] uh those of us on the ground is is a

[47:25] real one. Um the airport has some basic

[47:28] rules and regulations that uh don't get

[47:31] followed. There's a lack of

[47:32] communication when violations occur.

[47:35] There's a lack of uh any kind of written

[47:37] documentation of violations. Um incident

[47:40] reports are pretty much non-existent. Um

[47:48] there's

[47:50] the airports has has and I think you've

[47:52] done a a lease review um uh

[47:57] over the last couple of months, but uh

[47:59] the inconsistency in the application of

[48:02] the lease policies. Uh it's pretty

[48:06] pretty bad, pretty offensive to uh some

[48:09] people that are looking for 30-year

[48:10] leases that um probably shouldn't have

[48:13] got them and some people that wish to

[48:16] have them, what have you.

[48:19] The the idea that increased air traffic

[48:22] for the sake of increasing the number of

[48:24] operations is not a benefit to Longmont.

[48:27] We got a lot of flights here that don't

[48:29] spend any time in Longmont. They don't

[48:31] spend any time on the ground. they don't

[48:34] refuel here. They're just an increase in

[48:36] numbers. Um it's

[48:40] this airport can be better.

[48:43] Um

[48:45] review needs to be done of the financial

[48:47] obligations. There needs to be more

[48:49] financial transparency. Uh the

[48:51] information provided the to the public

[48:53] needs to be accurate. Um please take

[48:56] time review the airport. It can be

[48:58] better than what it is. Doesn't need to

[49:01] shut down. It's not going to shut down

[49:02] for 20 years, even if you wanted it to.

[49:04] But this airport needs to be run better

[49:07] so that

[49:10] everybody in Longmont is is not

[49:12] negatively affected by things that don't

[49:14] positively happen at the airport. Wow,

[49:17] that was a word mess. Have a good night.

[49:20] Oh, and uh happy rubber ducky day.

[49:23] >> Oh, thank you.

[49:25] » Oh, thank you.

[49:25] >> Okay. Uh, Jacob McCllum.

[49:34] Hello everybody. My name is Jacob

[49:36] McCllum. I'm here today. This is my

[49:38] first city council meeting ever and I'm

[49:39] here just because of a topic that's

[49:41] really important to me. I'm here to talk

[49:43] about the flock safety cameras that are

[49:45] around the city. Um, I think right now

[49:48] we're living in a time where government

[49:50] trust is at almost an all-time low. You

[49:52] know, I don't think it's controversial

[49:53] for me to say that. And I know as

[49:55] somebody who's 21 years old myself, that

[49:57] is absolutely the case among young

[49:58] people who are growing up in this city.

[50:00] And I think that the cameras everywhere

[50:03] are eroding trust with the government

[50:05] especially. And I think a local

[50:07] government is something that could

[50:09] really help improve this issue. You

[50:11] know, like ultimately surveillance is a

[50:14] form of control over people. If you're

[50:16] feeling watched, you're not going to

[50:17] behave the same way as you would when

[50:18] you don't feel watched, you know. So

[50:20] regardless of how much we trust the

[50:21] government, regardless of how much we

[50:22] trust the police, ultimately that is a

[50:24] problem that will erode trust with those

[50:26] people, you know, and it doesn't have to

[50:29] be abused. It doesn't have to be

[50:30] anything. It is like taking the bedroom

[50:32] door off of somebody's room, you know.

[50:35] Doesn't matter if anybody's going to

[50:36] abuse that. It is still a problem and we

[50:38] still need privacy, right? Any one of us

[50:40] who drive down 119 to go to work every

[50:42] day, that is being recorded somewhere.

[50:44] Our license plate is recorded. Our

[50:46] location is recorded. Exactly what time

[50:48] that is is recorded. If you go to work,

[50:51] when you leave is recorded and when you

[50:53] come back is recorded. And ultimately

[50:55] the safety policies around this data is

[50:58] not safe. And even if you believe that

[51:01] the government should be allowed to have

[51:02] that access to that data, ultimately

[51:04] that is not the only people who do have

[51:06] access to that data. And I do not trust

[51:08] any private actors with that

[51:09] information. That's it. I yield my time.

[51:11] Thank you guys.

[51:13] >> Thank you. Okay. Seeing no one else on

[51:15] » Thank you. Okay. Seeing no one else on

[51:15] the list, I will now close public

[51:17] invited to be heard. And we are now on

[51:20] to item nine, consent agenda and

[51:22] introduction and reading by title of

[51:24] first reading and ordinances. Um, city

[51:27] clerk, can you please read the consent

[51:29] agenda um into the record?

[51:32] >> Absolutely, Mayor. The second reading

[51:33] » Absolutely, Mayor. The second reading

[51:33] and public hearing for the ordinances

[51:35] introduced tonight on this consent

[51:37] agenda will be held on January 27th,

[51:39] 2026.

[51:41] Item 9A is ordinance 2026-01,

[51:44] a bill for an ordinance making

[51:45] additional appropriations for expenses

[51:47] and liabilities of the city of Longmont

[51:49] for the fiscal year beginning January

[51:51] 1st, 2026. Item 9B is ordinance 2026-02,

[51:56] a bill for an ordinance amending chapter

[51:57] 14.42 of the Longmont Municipal Code to

[52:00] reduce the size of the Art and Public

[52:02] Places Commission and modernize the Art

[52:04] and Public Places program. Item 9 C is

[52:07] resolution R-2026-01,

[52:10] a resolution of Longmont City Council

[52:11] approving the intergovernmental

[52:12] agreement between the city and the

[52:14] Colorado Department of Public Safety,

[52:15] Division of Criminal Justice, Office for

[52:18] Victims of Crime Act, VO VOCA, grant

[52:21] funding for Longmont Victim Services. 9D

[52:23] is resolution 2026-2,

[52:26] a resolution of the Longmont City

[52:27] Council concerning the electric vehicle

[52:29] charging systems permitting process.

[52:31] Item 9E is resolution 2026-03,

[52:35] a resolution of the Longmont City

[52:36] Council approving an amendment to the

[52:37] Intergovernmental Agreement between the

[52:39] city and the Boulder Regional Emergency

[52:41] Telephone Service Authority for public

[52:43] safety answering point funding. 9F is

[52:46] resolution 2026-04,

[52:48] a resolution of the Longmont City

[52:49] Council approving agreement between the

[52:51] city of Longmont and the Longmont Humane

[52:53] Society for Animal Welfare Services for

[52:55] 2026. and 9G is designate the city's

[52:58] website as the official posting location

[53:00] for city council agendas and mayor staff

[53:03] would like to remove item 9F from the

[53:06] consent agenda.

[53:08] >> Okay.

[53:10] » Okay.

[53:10] Okay. Are there any other items that

[53:13] council would like to remove? Council

[53:15] member Popkin.

[53:16] >> Uh thank you, Mayor. I'd like to remove

[53:17] » Uh thank you, Mayor. I'd like to remove

[53:17] item uh 9D.

[53:19] >> Okay.

[53:24] Okay. Um, so see no one else in the

[53:27] queue. Um, um, oh, you've turned off

[53:30] your mic. Is there anyone who would like

[53:32] to move the consent agenda? Minus D and

[53:34] F.

[53:35] >> I'll move that.

[53:35] » I'll move that.

[53:36] >> Um,

[53:37] » Um,

[53:37] >> second.

[53:37] » second.

[53:38] >> Okay. So, the, um, consent agenda uh,

[53:40] » Okay. So, the, um, consent agenda uh,

[53:40] minus um, items D and F um, has been

[53:44] moved by Mayor Prom McCoy and seconded

[53:47] by Council Member Popkin. Let's go ahead

[53:50] and vote.

[53:57] Okay. And that carries unanimously.

[54:04] Okay. There are no ordinances on second

[54:07] reading and public hearings on any

[54:09] matter. So we are now um back to items

[54:12] removed from the consent agenda.

[54:15] Um and we are we'll start we'll go ahead

[54:17] and start with item D.

[54:22] Council member Popkin.

[54:24] >> Yes. Thank you. Um I mostly just had one

[54:29] » Yes. Thank you. Um I mostly just had one

[54:29] question for staff and then just a

[54:31] comment overall. Um this this concerns

[54:35] the uh electric vehicle charging systems

[54:38] permitting process. Uh I just wanted to

[54:40] commend staff actually for being ahead

[54:43] of the state. Um sometimes the state

[54:45] forces mandates upon us. In this case,

[54:46] we wanted to proceed um with a certain

[54:49] permitting process. We have and from

[54:51] what I understand uh this has been kind

[54:53] of the administrative approval process

[54:55] and we are not as being asked to change

[54:58] that. We can continue to follow that

[55:00] process. Correct.

[55:02] >> Good evening Mayor Council Member uh

[55:05] » Good evening Mayor Council Member uh

[55:05] Popkin. Um that's correct. Yes.

[55:08] >> Yeah. Uh and and the administrative

[55:10] » Yeah. Uh and and the administrative

[55:10] process here not only makes sense, but

[55:11] I've personally gone through it and it's

[55:13] smooth and straightforward as long as

[55:14] the um electrical is done well. So, I

[55:17] just wanted to thank staff and and the

[55:18] city for having a smooth process. My

[55:20] only other question I had is, and maybe

[55:22] this is more of an LPC question, but do

[55:24] we know if we still have uh rebates for

[55:26] residential or commercial uh chargers?

[55:29] Is that still um have we have we

[55:33] exhausted the funding for that? Thank

[55:34] you, Darl. I'm seeing a I'm seeing we've

[55:36] exhausted that. So, that's good news

[55:38] that we've exhausted that. But, uh for

[55:39] for anyone still considering uh putting

[55:41] a charger, it's a pretty straightforward

[55:43] process as long as you do it well. I

[55:44] appreciate staff's work on this.

[55:48] Okay, thank you. Um, would you like to

[55:50] move uh resolution 2026-2?

[55:55] >> Oh, you did.

[55:56] » Oh, you did.

[55:56] >> So, moved.

[55:57] » So, moved.

[55:57] >> Okay. And I will second that. Um,

[56:02] » Okay. And I will second that. Um,

[56:02] okay. So, the um resolution 20262

[56:06] has been moved by council me or by by

[56:09] council member Popkin and I have

[56:10] seconded that. Let's go ahead and vote.

[56:20] Okay, and that carries unanimously. We

[56:22] are now on to item F, resolution 2026-4.

[56:27] Um, pulled by staff.

[56:31] Oh, yes.

[56:33] >> Surprised you, mayor.

[56:33] » Surprised you, mayor.

[56:34] >> I know. It was I wasn't even looking at

[56:35] » I know. It was I wasn't even looking at

[56:35] that corner.

[56:36] >> Yeah. [laughter]

[56:37] » Yeah. [laughter]

[56:37] Mayor and council Eugene May, city

[56:39] attorney. Uh so staff uh asked to pull

[56:42] this item because council member PTO

[56:44] raised an issue with the humane society

[56:46] contract on page five. Uh there are

[56:50] three paragraphs regarding undocumented

[56:53] immigrants.

[56:55] The history of those paragraphs is there

[56:58] was a state state bill that required

[57:00] this language be in contracts. Uh that

[57:04] bill has since been repealed. We were

[57:07] using an old version of the Y of the

[57:09] Humane Society contract. These

[57:12] paragraphs should have been removed and

[57:14] unless I hear objection from council, we

[57:16] will remove these paragraphs before

[57:18] executing the contract with Humane

[57:19] Society.

[57:21] >> Okay. Thank you for that. Um and and

[57:25] » Okay. Thank you for that. Um and and

[57:25] thank you for catching that, Council

[57:26] Member Prietto. Um is there anyone who

[57:29] Okay. Nope. Okay. So, okay. So, uh, do I

[57:34] have a motion to approve resolution

[57:36] 2026-4?

[57:38] >> Motion.

[57:39] » Motion.

[57:39] >> Okay. So, um, that item has been moved

[57:41] » Okay. So, um, that item has been moved

[57:41] by council member Prietto. Do I have a

[57:43] second?

[57:43] >> Second.

[57:44] » Second.

[57:44] >> Okay. And it was been seconded by

[57:46] » Okay. And it was been seconded by

[57:46] council member Marcen. Let's go ahead

[57:48] and vote.

[58:04] Okay, the motion carries unanimously.

[58:07] We are now

[58:09] on to our general business item and 12A.

[58:14] So that is an amendment to the 2023

[58:16] action plan for home funding to fund

[58:18] Habitat for Humanity of the St. Vine

[58:21] Valley Rogers Road Housing Development

[58:23] Project instead of Sunset Duplex's

[58:26] project.

[58:33] Good evening, mayor, members of council.

[58:35] Um, Christy Wisman. I'm the housing

[58:37] investment manager for the city and we

[58:39] have a crew for any questions you may

[58:41] have. So, also with me is Alexis Macauen

[58:44] from the HCI team who's our federal

[58:46] funds program manager. And then we also

[58:48] have Megan Sant who's my counterpart,

[58:50] the housing investment manager for the

[58:52] city of Boulder. Um so we don't have a

[58:54] presentation prepared tonight but just

[58:56] wanted to take this um grant project

[59:00] swap question to you and um in essence

[59:04] Habitat in working with city staff as

[59:07] well as city of Boulder staff through

[59:09] the home consortium is asking us to

[59:11] switch our 2023 award between two of

[59:14] their projects. So the award amount will

[59:16] stay the same at that 184,712,

[59:20] but the Rogers Road project is further

[59:23] along in entitlements. It's shovel

[59:24] ready. And then it also recently

[59:27] received another um different type of

[59:30] home funding through the consortium that

[59:32] the city of Boulder manages called the

[59:34] CHTO set aside. And so we essentially

[59:37] want to improve efficiencies by putting

[59:39] all the federal funding on the Habitat

[59:43] project that's most ready to proceed. So

[59:45] this request did come Habitat and

[59:47] Longmont and Boulder and Habitat are all

[59:49] in alignment with this swap. So we just

[59:52] need your formal approval to make that

[59:54] change. But happy to answer any

[59:55] questions.

[59:56] >> Okay. Do we have any questions of

[59:58] » Okay. Do we have any questions of

[59:58] council? Okay. Council member Popkin.

[1:00:03] >> Uh thank you very much for bringing this

[1:00:04] » Uh thank you very much for bringing this

[1:00:04] forward. um and for all the work that's

[1:00:06] been going on I presume in the back end

[1:00:08] for a lot of the shifting here. What's

[1:00:09] the downside if we didn't like what what

[1:00:13] what's the consequence that projects

[1:00:15] slow down because the funding would be

[1:00:16] redistributed to projects that aren't

[1:00:18] shovel ready?

[1:00:20] >> Yeah. So, one of the main downsides is

[1:00:22] » Yeah. So, one of the main downsides is

[1:00:22] then we would have um two projects that

[1:00:26] are requiring the same level of HUD

[1:00:28] compliance through the home program in

[1:00:30] our view unnecessarily. So, we would

[1:00:32] have to do um the same level of

[1:00:35] compliance on Sunset Duplexes and Rogers

[1:00:37] Road as opposed to concentrating our

[1:00:40] monitoring on just one project. Um and

[1:00:43] then because Rogers Road is more shovel

[1:00:46] ready, it's materially funded, there is

[1:00:48] a chance that if this 184,000 award is

[1:00:52] not granted, Habitat may have a gap. So,

[1:00:55] they might have to come back to the

[1:00:57] city, for example, for our affordable

[1:00:58] housing fund round in 2026. and it would

[1:01:01] just delay the project, but they are um

[1:01:04] essentially they have their entitlements

[1:01:06] and they're ready to complete

[1:01:07] construction as soon as the award um

[1:01:09] grant agreements are executed for the

[1:01:11] federal funds.

[1:01:12] >> Thank you. So, in in in effect, we're by

[1:01:15] » Thank you. So, in in in effect, we're by

[1:01:15] consolidating these two, not by bundling

[1:01:18] the two together, basically you're

[1:01:19] actually streamlining the oversight in

[1:01:22] some ways because one project follows

[1:01:24] all of the I mean, they both have to

[1:01:26] follow the rules if they receive the

[1:01:27] funding. In this case, one project will

[1:01:30] gets all of the funding and so the same

[1:01:33] requirements still have to be met anyway

[1:01:34] and the other project has more

[1:01:36] flexibility. Is that the kind of notion

[1:01:38] right now?

[1:01:39] >> Yeah, essentially there are um a

[1:01:42] » Yeah, essentially there are um a

[1:01:42] [clears throat] lot of federal

[1:01:44] regulations that come into play

[1:01:46] especially with procurement. So when

[1:01:47] Habitat goes to procure their general

[1:01:49] contractor to do the actual construction

[1:01:51] work, the steps that they have to take

[1:01:52] and the way they have to do that bidding

[1:01:54] is very specific to to CFR 200 and those

[1:01:58] federal rules when there's home funds in

[1:02:00] play. And so um they're happy to do that

[1:02:03] for one project, but if we can remove um

[1:02:05] this 184,000 would be the only federal

[1:02:08] source on the Sunset Duplexus project

[1:02:11] and that's a relatively small amount of

[1:02:13] money for how much compliance comes with

[1:02:15] it. So, we'd prefer to stack all the

[1:02:17] federal funds on one project just for

[1:02:19] monitoring efficiency. And if HUD comes

[1:02:21] and monitors us, they're looking at one

[1:02:24] project as opposed to two.

[1:02:26] >> Yeah. Great. Thank you for explaining

[1:02:27] » Yeah. Great. Thank you for explaining

[1:02:27] that. Appreciate it.

[1:02:28] >> Okay.

[1:02:31] » Okay.

[1:02:31] >> Council member Christ.

[1:02:33] » Council member Christ.

[1:02:33] >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, so Christie, are

[1:02:37] » Thank you, Mayor. Um, so Christie, are

[1:02:37] you going to be short on the sunset

[1:02:38] duplexes at some point and have to have

[1:02:41] to apply for more funding to finish

[1:02:43] those?

[1:02:45] Yeah, thank you for your question,

[1:02:46] Council Member McCen. I did re see re

[1:02:48] re see re see re see re see your email

[1:02:48] early this afternoon. I haven't had a

[1:02:50] chance to reach out to Dave Emerson

[1:02:52] who's the direct executive director of

[1:02:53] Habitat. Um my understanding is the

[1:02:57] Sunset Duplex's project is

[1:03:01] so much further behind in Habitat's um

[1:03:04] kind of development planning that they

[1:03:07] have more time. Um, I don't know for

[1:03:08] sure whether they plan to come in to

[1:03:10] supplant this 184,000 with, for example,

[1:03:14] another affordable housing fund ask. The

[1:03:16] last time I saw a proforma for that

[1:03:18] project was over 6 months ago. So, I'm

[1:03:20] not sure what other fundraising Habitat

[1:03:23] has done in the meantime on Sunset

[1:03:24] Duplexes. Um, but this request for this

[1:03:28] award swap did come from Habitat. So,

[1:03:30] Habitat is asking for this change to

[1:03:33] help them meet their um development

[1:03:36] capacity because they can really only

[1:03:37] focus on so many projects at a time and

[1:03:39] that one's just a little further behind.

[1:03:41] >> Yeah. Okay. So, we'll probably be seeing

[1:03:43] » Yeah. Okay. So, we'll probably be seeing

[1:03:43] something about Sunset again, but we

[1:03:45] have time to work on it.

[1:03:47] >> Yeah, exactly. And if they were to come

[1:03:48] » Yeah, exactly. And if they were to come

[1:03:48] ask for more funding for that project,

[1:03:51] um we would get an updated perform

[1:03:52] sources and uses and um work with

[1:03:55] Habitat to see what's changed with the

[1:03:57] funding picture for for Sunset in the

[1:03:59] last several months since I've last seen

[1:04:01] the performer for that project.

[1:04:03] >> Okay, thank you Christie.

[1:04:05] » Okay, thank you Christie.

[1:04:05] >> Okay, thank you. Um so do we have a

[1:04:07] » Okay, thank you. Um so do we have a

[1:04:07] motion to approve the 2023 home grant

[1:04:10] award allocation as amended?

[1:04:12] >> Okay, second. So, um, the motion has

[1:04:15] » Okay, second. So, um, the motion has

[1:04:15] been made by Mayor Prom McCoy, seconded

[1:04:18] by Council Member Christ.

[1:04:20] Um, and we can go ahead and vote.

[1:04:23] There's no further discussion.

[1:04:31] Okay. And the motion carries

[1:04:32] unanimously. We are now Thank you very

[1:04:35] much.

[1:04:35] >> Uhhuh. Thank you.

[1:04:39] » Okay. We are now on to our city council

[1:04:42] appointments, liaison appointments to

[1:04:44] boards. So there is no formal staff

[1:04:46] presentation. What's that?

[1:04:48] >> I said let's park.

[1:04:49] » I said let's park.

[1:04:49] >> Let's party like

[1:04:53] » Let's party like

[1:04:53] um yeah. So [laughter] do we need a

[1:04:55] break before this?

[1:04:57] >> No.

[1:04:57] » No.

[1:04:57] >> Maybe after. Okay. So um there are there

[1:05:00] » Maybe after. Okay. So um there are there

[1:05:00] is no staff presentation. It's really

[1:05:02] just for us to ask of council to discuss

[1:05:05] if any board's assignments, you know,

[1:05:07] what would you like to have reshuffled

[1:05:10] for um council member Kulkuffer?

[1:05:13] And if I believe we have the spreadsheet

[1:05:16] on our

[1:05:18] document, so if you want to pull that

[1:05:20] up. Um,

[1:05:29] and did anyone want to start? Okay,

[1:05:32] we'll start with Council Member Popkin.

[1:05:35] >> Well, I'll kick things off at a

[1:05:37] » Well, I'll kick things off at a

[1:05:37] productive uh member with prospective uh

[1:05:40] Council Member Kauker. Uh, and uh I know

[1:05:43] he's passionate about transportation and

[1:05:45] and uh

[1:05:47] um the NA uh what is it? the North Area

[1:05:50] Transportation Alliance, a regional

[1:05:52] board and an important one for making

[1:05:54] sure that everything is connected

[1:05:55] literally and figuratively in the

[1:05:57] region. Um, I wanted to offer that. It's

[1:05:59] a It didn't perfectly work with my

[1:06:01] schedule, but I was interested in it and

[1:06:03] it sounds like it does for him, so I

[1:06:04] wanted to put that on the table.

[1:06:06] >> Okay.

[1:06:09] » Is that NA?

[1:06:11] Yeah.

[1:06:13] [clears throat] And Okay.

[1:06:15] Was there anything else? Oh, okay. Okay.

[1:06:20] So, uh, Council Member Prietto,

[1:06:23] >> uh, yes, I had two boards that did not

[1:06:25] » uh, yes, I had two boards that did not

[1:06:25] work for me. Um, it was the, uh, visit

[1:06:29] Longmont board along with the

[1:06:31] sustainability board. Um, I did email

[1:06:35] um, councelor Koffer and he said that

[1:06:37] they would work perfect with his

[1:06:39] schedule. So, um, just wanted to put

[1:06:42] that out there.

[1:06:44] >> Okay, great. Um, so I have two, no

[1:06:49] » Okay, great. Um, so I have two, no

[1:06:49] actually one internal and two regional.

[1:06:53] Um, okay.

[1:06:56] Council member

[1:06:58] um, Marcine.

[1:07:00] >> Thank you, Mayor. Yeah. Uh, as much as

[1:07:01] » Thank you, Mayor. Yeah. Uh, as much as

[1:07:01] it pains me because I was very much

[1:07:03] looking forward to getting the work

[1:07:04] started and I'd already met with with

[1:07:05] some of these folks, but I I do think in

[1:07:06] terms of proximity, his skill set, his

[1:07:09] interests, I think, uh, LDDDA would be a

[1:07:11] good fit for um, Council Member

[1:07:14] Cockoffer. why I'm I'm happy to hand

[1:07:16] that one over and uh yeah, I I don't

[1:07:18] think my wife will be will be bothered

[1:07:20] if I if I miss another meeting if I have

[1:07:22] less meetings. So,

[1:07:24] >> okay.

[1:07:26] » okay.

[1:07:26] >> Okay. Council member um Kulkapper,

[1:07:30] » Okay. Council member um Kulkapper,

[1:07:30] >> I will happily take all of those um if

[1:07:33] » I will happily take all of those um if

[1:07:33] that's okay with you, mayor. And then um

[1:07:34] I was curious about the commuting

[1:07:36] solution.

[1:07:36] >> I was going to get to that. I was going

[1:07:37] » I was going to get to that. I was going

[1:07:38] to let let everybody throw their

[1:07:41] their um suggestions out their two cents

[1:07:45] and then I was going to see wanted to

[1:07:47] confirm if commuting solutions

[1:07:51] uh

[1:07:53] as the

[1:07:55] liaison non- voting me um liaison member

[1:07:58] would work for you

[1:08:00] I think is that yeah it is the liaison

[1:08:04] and it's I have here that it's non-

[1:08:06] voting

[1:08:08] So yeah, but if that works for your

[1:08:10] schedule.

[1:08:12] Oh, there you go. No wonder you're not

[1:08:14] answering me. [laughter]

[1:08:15] >> Uh, that one does work for my schedule.

[1:08:17] » Uh, that one does work for my schedule.

[1:08:17] And then there's also one other

[1:08:19] transportation one that is not has not

[1:08:21] been assigned. And I wasn't sure if

[1:08:23] Cammy if you figured out what what

[1:08:26] location and what day and time those

[1:08:28] were.

[1:08:30] >> Still working on it.

[1:08:32] » Still working on it.

[1:08:32] >> There's one more.

[1:08:34] » There's one more.

[1:08:34] >> Which one was it?

[1:08:35] » Which one was it?

[1:08:35] >> Um, yeah. Which one was that?

[1:08:38] » Um, yeah. Which one was that?

[1:08:38] Was it the um Northern Colorado Highway

[1:08:42] 287?

[1:08:43] >> Yes.

[1:08:44] » Yes.

[1:08:44] >> Coalition. Okay.

[1:08:45] » Coalition. Okay.

[1:08:45] >> Because there's confusion about is it

[1:08:47] » Because there's confusion about is it

[1:08:47] Boulder or is it in uh Loveland?

[1:08:50] Uh also

[1:08:54] >> so the 287 safety improvement projects

[1:08:57] » so the 287 safety improvement projects

[1:08:57] there is a section that is on the south

[1:08:59] side of Longmont that is run by Boulder

[1:09:01] County and then there's the section

[1:09:03] that's receiving improvements on the

[1:09:04] north side of Longmont which might also

[1:09:06] have a group um in Loveland and or the

[1:09:09] Lmer County. So, we're just trying to

[1:09:11] confirm that they're looking for

[1:09:12] representatives from Longmont on both

[1:09:14] for sure the Boulder County one um

[1:09:16] that's on the south side of Longmont,

[1:09:18] but both are active projects right now.

[1:09:20] So, we just want to make sure that we

[1:09:21] have the right coverage in the right

[1:09:23] places. So, we're just confirming if

[1:09:25] there's two coalitions or really just

[1:09:27] one coalition. Um but the one in Boulder

[1:09:30] is not in question. It's the one up

[1:09:31] north. We just want to make sure that we

[1:09:32] have the right details for first.

[1:09:35] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:09:37] » Okay. Thank you.

[1:09:37] >> That helps. Yeah. So, so in the event

[1:09:39] » That helps. Yeah. So, so in the event

[1:09:39] something comes open, we can well

[1:09:42] >> I think yeah, if I can confirm just to

[1:09:44] » I think yeah, if I can confirm just to

[1:09:44] make sure we can follow up and then you

[1:09:46] can assign that second

[1:09:48] >> 287 group if there is in fact one.

[1:09:50] » 287 group if there is in fact one.

[1:09:50] >> Okay. Okay, sounds good. Thank you.

[1:09:52] » Okay. Okay, sounds good. Thank you.

[1:09:52] >> Okay, you're welcome.

[1:09:53] » Okay, you're welcome.

[1:09:53] >> So, I have five total boards for you. Um

[1:09:57] » So, I have five total boards for you. Um

[1:09:57] only one well one is the um an internal

[1:10:00] and the other four are regional. Um, and

[1:10:04] then just kind of looking at,

[1:10:09] you know, where everybody else feels.

[1:10:10] Was there anything else you wanted to

[1:10:12] throw his way? [laughter]

[1:10:14] Are we good for now? And um, yeah. And

[1:10:19] then the other one too, and um, Council

[1:10:21] Member Popkin, this one is directed to

[1:10:23] you, if you are feeling, now that you've

[1:10:25] had a chance to look through the list,

[1:10:27] if you need me, if you want me to pick

[1:10:29] up Dr. COG as the and you be the um

[1:10:32] alternate.

[1:10:34] That one meets Wednesday evenings

[1:10:38] in Denver,

[1:10:41] >> the Denver Regional Council of

[1:10:43] » the Denver Regional Council of

[1:10:43] Governments and it is um the Wednesday.

[1:10:48] Yeah, I think they have they started at

[1:10:49] 4, but it's like a dinner

[1:10:52] deal before it gets started. So, go

[1:10:54] ahead, Council Member Popkin.

[1:10:57] >> Yeah, I was going to ask

[1:10:59] » Yeah, I was going to ask

[1:10:59] What's the usual like window for the

[1:11:01] meeting? Like is it a two hour, three

[1:11:03] hour, 15 hour? What's the the depends on

[1:11:06] who talk?

[1:11:07] >> It depends on who Stop. Okay, I see

[1:11:10] » It depends on who Stop. Okay, I see

[1:11:10] where you're going with that. Um

[1:11:13] I know they started, if I recall

[1:11:15] correctly, and I don't know if they've

[1:11:17] changed it, but I think it went like

[1:11:18] 6:00 to 9 or like a 6:30. I thought

[1:11:21] there was a dinner even though it shows

[1:11:22] four o'clock here.

[1:11:24] >> Oh,

[1:11:24] » Oh,

[1:11:24] >> and I'll follow follow up with that time

[1:11:26] » and I'll follow follow up with that time

[1:11:26] frame. Um, and I knew um may the mayor

[1:11:31] Pek had often just stayed the night over

[1:11:33] there when she went because it it went

[1:11:36] late.

[1:11:36] >> Um, so, you know, I wanted to throw that

[1:11:40] » Um, so, you know, I wanted to throw that

[1:11:40] back out there. I am fine with just

[1:11:41] keeping it the way it is,

[1:11:43] >> but I wanted to throw that out there for

[1:11:45] » but I wanted to throw that out there for

[1:11:45] you now that you had a chance to digest,

[1:11:47] you know, your assignments.

[1:11:50] >> Yeah, I didn't know it was Okay, that's

[1:11:52] » Yeah, I didn't know it was Okay, that's

[1:11:52] useful to know because technically I

[1:11:54] have that in the planning and zoning

[1:11:55] commission on the same day. I was

[1:11:57] planning to go back to back.

[1:11:58] >> Oh,

[1:11:59] » Oh,

[1:11:59] >> but if it's a like a for a sleepover

[1:12:01] » but if it's a like a for a sleepover

[1:12:01] situation.

[1:12:02] >> Yeah, I would not be sleeping over. I'll

[1:12:04] » Yeah, I would not be sleeping over. I'll

[1:12:04] be driving back at night. Um

[1:12:06] >> um more than uh

[1:12:10] » um more than uh

[1:12:10] >> maybe we can take this off like does

[1:12:12] » maybe we can take this off like does

[1:12:12] this have to be decided right now or

[1:12:14] >> It doesn't I Don and I'm going to defer

[1:12:16] » It doesn't I Don and I'm going to defer

[1:12:16] to you. Is that okay if we discuss

[1:12:18] offline if we want to switch roles or do

[1:12:22] we need to do a formal

[1:12:27] » I think it's up to you if you'd like for

[1:12:28] us to do Dr. Cog will be looking to know

[1:12:31] who the voting

[1:12:33] >> appointee is.

[1:12:34] » appointee is.

[1:12:34] >> Yes.

[1:12:34] » Yes.

[1:12:34] >> Um with some clarity I think so.

[1:12:37] » Um with some clarity I think so.

[1:12:37] >> Yeah. Well and I think Yeah. So do you

[1:12:40] » Yeah. Well and I think Yeah. So do you

[1:12:40] want us to decide tonight? It'd be

[1:12:42] helpful. But if you need more time and

[1:12:44] you want to monitor it, we can just let

[1:12:46] them know you're

[1:12:48] >> going to see how it goes and alternate

[1:12:49] » going to see how it goes and alternate

[1:12:50] or let us know what you decide.

[1:12:52] >> I mean, do you want to try the first

[1:12:53] » I mean, do you want to try the first

[1:12:54] meeting, see how it goes, and then let

[1:12:55] me know?

[1:12:56] >> Kind of. I was very interested in it.

[1:12:59] » Kind of. I was very interested in it.

[1:12:59] Um, and supporting the city in that way.

[1:13:02] Yeah. And I guess

[1:13:04] >> and it's historically, you know, I' I've

[1:13:06] » and it's historically, you know, I' I've

[1:13:06] spoken with other mayors who who often

[1:13:09] just assign a council member to do that.

[1:13:12] So, it's not unheard of that the mayor

[1:13:13] is there. I just wanted to

[1:13:16] >> to throw that out because I know the

[1:13:17] » to throw that out because I know the

[1:13:17] former mayor had picked it up.

[1:13:20] >> Yeah, maybe Yeah, let me let me think

[1:13:22] » Yeah, maybe Yeah, let me let me think

[1:13:22] about it. I'm wondering if maybe we tag

[1:13:23] team this depending on what the planning

[1:13:25] and zoning commission has on their

[1:13:26] agenda.

[1:13:27] >> That can work as well

[1:13:28] » That can work as well

[1:13:28] >> and maybe we can kind of share that. Um

[1:13:30] » and maybe we can kind of share that. Um

[1:13:30] but yeah, let's take that offline if

[1:13:31] that's okay for

[1:13:32] >> sure. We'll let you do it and then we'll

[1:13:35] » sure. We'll let you do it and then we'll

[1:13:35] see where where we land. Okay.

[1:13:37] >> Appreciate it. Thank you for flagging

[1:13:38] » Appreciate it. Thank you for flagging

[1:13:38] that.

[1:13:38] >> Yep.

[1:13:40] » Yep.

[1:13:40] >> Of course.

[1:13:42] » Of course.

[1:13:42] >> Okay.

[1:13:44] » Okay.

[1:13:44] So, I believe are we good to go?

[1:13:46] >> Are Yeah, I noted just to re recap.

[1:13:49] » Are Yeah, I noted just to re recap.

[1:13:49] >> Yes. uh for council member Calver uh

[1:13:52] » Yes. uh for council member Calver uh

[1:13:52] NATO visit Longmont Sustainability

[1:13:54] Advisory Board LDDA and commuting

[1:13:57] solutions and then the pending 287

[1:14:01] coalition once we decipher what's

[1:14:03] happening there

[1:14:05] >> okay

[1:14:05] » okay

[1:14:06] >> is all I've noted

[1:14:08] » is all I've noted

[1:14:08] all that's all

[1:14:09] >> okay that's that's what I have as well

[1:14:11] » okay that's that's what I have as well

[1:14:11] but [laughter]

[1:14:12] it's a load

[1:14:16] okay so now we are on to item C our 2026

[1:14:19] city council retreat agenda planning.

[1:14:22] Um, and before Sandy seed, before you

[1:14:26] come, do we need to take a break?

[1:14:28] >> Are we good? Okay, we're going

[1:14:30] » Are we good? Okay, we're going

[1:14:30] [clears throat] to keep on plugging

[1:14:31] through.

[1:14:44] All right. Hello, Mayor Hoga Fairing and

[1:14:47] members of council. Sandy Cedar,

[1:14:48] assistant city manager, and I'm here to

[1:14:50] talk about the retreat. Uh, currently

[1:14:52] your retreat is scheduled for March 27th

[1:14:54] and 28th. We are taking a look at some

[1:14:56] different options for where we might

[1:14:58] hold the retreat. Um, one thing that I

[1:15:00] do want to bring up to this group as

[1:15:02] we're kind of discussing and planning.

[1:15:04] Um, is that we believe that that will be

[1:15:06] the same time frame as the opening of

[1:15:08] the ascent property. Um, I know it's

[1:15:11] tough to get to a ribbon cutting during

[1:15:12] the day unless you might be at a

[1:15:14] retreat. [laughter]

[1:15:16] And so just as a suggestion, if you're

[1:15:17] interested in us taking a look at

[1:15:19] whether we could have the retreat either

[1:15:21] um at the ascent property or um at

[1:15:24] Hearthstone, if that's something that's

[1:15:25] interesting to you, we would be happy to

[1:15:26] pursue that. Yeah. So we have a whole

[1:15:30] bunch of questions for you today. Um as

[1:15:33] I said, the retreat is scheduled for

[1:15:35] March 27th and 28th. Um and as we put

[1:15:38] together a draft agenda for you, we

[1:15:40] would like to ask a couple of questions

[1:15:41] like what kinds of topics would you like

[1:15:43] to discuss? Would you like to have an

[1:15:45] outside facilitator? Are you interested

[1:15:47] in some sort of team building or

[1:15:49] communication enhancing kind of

[1:15:51] discussion amongst the council? Um, and

[1:15:55] uh what would essentially what we're

[1:15:57] looking for is what would make the

[1:15:58] retreat a success for this city council.

[1:16:00] Uh we talked a little bit about in the

[1:16:02] council communication. We'll certainly

[1:16:04] give you an update on the current

[1:16:06] council work plan as it sits today. That

[1:16:08] doesn't have to be a presentation. It

[1:16:10] can absolutely be just something in

[1:16:11] writing that we're able to put as part

[1:16:13] of the packet. We'll also put our

[1:16:14] accomplishments and work plans because

[1:16:16] we always do. Um, and then it really is

[1:16:18] up to this council to discuss your

[1:16:20] priorities for the year. Um, as well as

[1:16:22] maybe some other topics like boards and

[1:16:24] commissions. If you decide you wanted to

[1:16:26] do it on the study session instead, then

[1:16:28] that's taken care of. But you also may

[1:16:31] be interested in outreach. I know

[1:16:33] there's been a couple of conversations

[1:16:35] around is coffee with council the best

[1:16:37] way to do engagement today. uh it may be

[1:16:40] one component, but maybe there's some

[1:16:41] other things that the council would like

[1:16:43] to discuss. So, those are some of the

[1:16:44] topics that I've heard the council talk

[1:16:46] about so far, but really the floor is up

[1:16:48] to you. Several of you did send me some

[1:16:50] ideas and suggestions which I forwarded

[1:16:52] to the entire council. So, uh at this

[1:16:54] point, I turn it back over to you,

[1:16:56] mayor. You let me know what you all

[1:16:57] would like to see.

[1:16:58] >> Okay. Thanks. I know I was playing

[1:17:00] » Okay. Thanks. I know I was playing

[1:17:00] around with trying to figure out how how

[1:17:03] we wanted to go through each each item.

[1:17:06] Um, I do appreciate the emails and thank

[1:17:09] you for forwarding those to us. Um, it

[1:17:12] gave me a better insight into kind of

[1:17:14] where everybody's at. And, you know, and

[1:17:17] I kind of see a lot of alignment in in

[1:17:19] some of those, you know, es especially

[1:17:21] as we looked at team building. I know

[1:17:23] there was not wanting to get too caught

[1:17:24] up in the fru, you know, I Yeah, I'm not

[1:17:28] going to go into [laughter]

[1:17:30] work stuff, but um, but I've been there.

[1:17:34] Yes. Um, so in I do want to I I just

[1:17:39] want to throw in really quick before we

[1:17:40] start getting into the meat of what we

[1:17:43] want to add. I really enjoyed the um and

[1:17:48] I it was Brian Shimat Shimato

[1:17:51] >> Shimamoto

[1:17:52] » Shimamoto

[1:17:52] >> Shimamoto who did the um intercultural

[1:17:55] » Shimamoto who did the um intercultural

[1:17:55] development inventory and I had to go

[1:17:57] talk call Carmen contact Carmen and like

[1:18:01] help me remember what was the name of

[1:18:02] that. Um so looking at that really

[1:18:05] helped me to un understand what type of

[1:18:08] leader I am, how I perceive information,

[1:18:10] how I take in information, but also how

[1:18:13] my council colleagues take in

[1:18:16] information, how they respond and that

[1:18:18] really helped me become a better, more

[1:18:21] efficient leader um more responsive

[1:18:24] leader as well as you know responding to

[1:18:26] my to my council colleagues um who also

[1:18:29] were a part of this training. Was anyone

[1:18:32] here? Were you here for that one for the

[1:18:36] did you take the survey? I think you

[1:18:37] >> No, I didn't take the survey, but I was

[1:18:38] » No, I didn't take the survey, but I was

[1:18:38] there for the results for Okay.

[1:18:40] >> Council and it was

[1:18:42] » Council and it was

[1:18:42] >> and so there is Yeah. And I thought it

[1:18:44] » and so there is Yeah. And I thought it

[1:18:44] was very powerful for me to to for

[1:18:47] self-reflective piece. So I I think

[1:18:49] about team building. I mean there could

[1:18:52] be something fun, but I it doesn't seem

[1:18:55] like that's necessary. But if we look at

[1:18:57] really how we are as

[1:19:00] leaders, how we how we react to things,

[1:19:03] how we respond to um situations and for

[1:19:06] us to learn learn that about each other.

[1:19:09] I think that would be very beneficial.

[1:19:11] Um does anyone have any Oh, go ahead if

[1:19:14] you want to speak more to that.

[1:19:15] >> I was just going to say one of the

[1:19:16] » I was just going to say one of the

[1:19:16] suggestions I think from council member

[1:19:18] Chris was the Clifton StrengthFinder.

[1:19:19] That's I have certainly taken that um

[1:19:21] assessment before and that has been very

[1:19:23] helpful. Okay. Harold has a few other

[1:19:25] assessments that he uses along with his

[1:19:27] um consultant Riley. And so if if that's

[1:19:30] the kind of thing that you're interested

[1:19:31] in, we'd be happy to kind of, you know,

[1:19:33] talk about what would make the most

[1:19:35] sense and bring back that kind of thing.

[1:19:36] Take an assessment and then learn about

[1:19:38] each other's styles as opposed to an

[1:19:40] icebreaker. [laughter]

[1:19:41] >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I I think I think that

[1:19:44] » Yeah. Yeah. No, I I think I think that

[1:19:44] would be more beneficial.

[1:19:45] >> Okay.

[1:19:46] » Okay.

[1:19:46] >> Um I think we've already broken the ice

[1:19:48] » Um I think we've already broken the ice

[1:19:48] around here. [laughter]

[1:19:51] » Um so

[1:19:54] Yeah. And so, okay. Oops. And I think Go

[1:19:58] ahead, Council Member Popkin. Yes.

[1:20:00] >> Yeah. Just a quick follow on on that

[1:20:01] » Yeah. Just a quick follow on on that

[1:20:01] topic for a minute and then I would

[1:20:02] welcome I'd love to hear from other

[1:20:04] council members on their ideas.

[1:20:05] >> Um, when we do this kind of a session,

[1:20:08] » Um, when we do this kind of a session,

[1:20:08] can we also think of not just what are

[1:20:10] each other's what are each other's

[1:20:11] strengths, but also how do people work

[1:20:14] together most effectively across those

[1:20:16] different approaches? Sometimes that

[1:20:18] gets lost in the approach. Is that part

[1:20:19] of that's built in? Okay, great. Just

[1:20:21] wanted to make sure that was included.

[1:20:22] Thank you.

[1:20:23] >> Yes,

[1:20:23] » Yes,

[1:20:24] >> we actually uh have one that is AI based

[1:20:28] » we actually uh have one that is AI based

[1:20:28] that you can put questions in like I

[1:20:30] could say I need to talk to Sandy about

[1:20:33] this. How do I best communicate to

[1:20:34] Sandy? And it actually gives you a game

[1:20:38] plan for the conversation so that you

[1:20:40] make sure your style is communicating to

[1:20:43] the other person's style.

[1:20:45] >> Interesting.

[1:20:46] » Interesting.

[1:20:46] >> That would be interesting. But wait,

[1:20:47] » That would be interesting. But wait,

[1:20:47] wait. So my style is inputed in AI.

[1:20:51] >> No. So, you take a test. Yeah. And it

[1:20:53] » No. So, you take a test. Yeah. And it

[1:20:53] tells you kind of this is you and it

[1:20:55] tells me who Sandy is and then we go,

[1:20:57] okay, I need to talk to Sandy about this

[1:20:59] and it gives me a game plan to make sure

[1:21:01] that we're

[1:21:02] >> actually communicating with each other.

[1:21:04] » actually communicating with each other.

[1:21:04] >> Okay.

[1:21:04] » Okay.

[1:21:04] >> It's a closed data loop.

[1:21:06] » It's a closed data loop.

[1:21:06] >> It's a closed data system.

[1:21:07] » It's a closed data system.

[1:21:07] >> Data loop. It doesn't go It's not chat

[1:21:09] » Data loop. It doesn't go It's not chat

[1:21:09] GP.

[1:21:11] It's a closed data system where after

[1:21:13] you take your assessment,

[1:21:14] >> the way Susie behaves is out there in

[1:21:16] » the way Susie behaves is out there in

[1:21:16] the ethos. [laughter]

[1:21:18] >> Okay. Um, Council Member Prietto,

[1:21:22] » Okay. Um, Council Member Prietto,

[1:21:22] >> this is not my recommendation for the

[1:21:25] » this is not my recommendation for the

[1:21:25] retreat, but just a comment to your

[1:21:28] suggestion.

[1:21:29] >> Oh, yes, please. Yeah.

[1:21:30] » Oh, yes, please. Yeah.

[1:21:30] >> Um, so, and I just want to put it out

[1:21:33] » Um, so, and I just want to put it out

[1:21:33] there. I think it's going to be really

[1:21:34] important like the kind of that

[1:21:37] relationship building piece because a

[1:21:39] lot of how we work comes from who we are

[1:21:42] and our roots and our background. Um,

[1:21:46] and so I think it's going to be

[1:21:47] important to like really learn about one

[1:21:50] another and where we're from and how we

[1:21:53] were raised and different things like

[1:21:55] that in order to

[1:21:57] >> fully understand what's oh that makes

[1:22:00] » fully understand what's oh that makes

[1:22:00] sense that this person's work style is

[1:22:02] this or their their communication style

[1:22:04] is this.

[1:22:05] >> And so just wanted to point that out. I

[1:22:07] » And so just wanted to point that out. I

[1:22:07] so like along with that discussion

[1:22:09] making sure that we have that foundation

[1:22:11] of like

[1:22:12] >> just getting to know one another.

[1:22:13] » just getting to know one another.

[1:22:13] >> Yeah. And I noticed that like having

[1:22:15] » Yeah. And I noticed that like having

[1:22:15] those conversations did organically that

[1:22:18] did allow us to to share out and to get

[1:22:23] an understanding of who we are.

[1:22:25] >> Yes. Gotcha.

[1:22:26] » Yes. Gotcha.

[1:22:26] >> Um but yeah, so if you can we can make

[1:22:28] » Um but yeah, so if you can we can make

[1:22:28] sure that's incorporated in there. Um

[1:22:31] who are you? Mayor [laughter]

[1:22:34] >> Mayor Pro McCoy. I was like, who's

[1:22:36] » Mayor Pro McCoy. I was like, who's

[1:22:36] number four?

[1:22:37] >> Thank you, mayor. I was looking at some

[1:22:39] » Thank you, mayor. I was looking at some

[1:22:39] of the uh council uh members um uh

[1:22:43] thoughts on this and I I really did like

[1:22:46] uh council member uh Cole Coffer. Am I

[1:22:49] saying that right? Okay. um comfort

[1:22:52] >> the the thing the meat and potato is

[1:22:55] » the the thing the meat and potato is

[1:22:55] part of what we're trying to do here in

[1:22:57] the sense of uh council goals and

[1:23:00] objectives and revisiting that aspect

[1:23:02] and and the fact that we're people kind

[1:23:05] of needing to understand the broader

[1:23:08] aspects of envision Longmont and the

[1:23:11] updates and aspects of that and then I

[1:23:13] you know I I think of the uh fire fire

[1:23:17] preparedness um um I I think is

[1:23:21] specifically after a couple of uh you

[1:23:24] know plane crashes and stuff like that

[1:23:26] out at the airport. How with you know

[1:23:31] very flammable fuels uh would be um

[1:23:36] particularly

[1:23:38] important and interesting to to explore.

[1:23:40] you know, what what safety measures we

[1:23:43] have there and and what maybe safety

[1:23:45] measures we need to consider

[1:23:47] implementing at a at that location. Um,

[1:23:52] you know, Sundance,

[1:23:54] I think maybe getting everybody on the

[1:23:56] same page of what's happening for the

[1:24:00] first year at Sundance, but I don't know

[1:24:02] that that's a a super high level and

[1:24:05] long conversation just because for the

[1:24:09] most part, we're going to be housing

[1:24:11] workers and volunteers and maybe getting

[1:24:14] people understanding that they're not

[1:24:17] going to have this. I think there's this

[1:24:19] perception in the general audience of uh

[1:24:22] Longmont uh uh community members that

[1:24:25] there's there's we're going to have a

[1:24:27] bigger impact. The bigger impact is kind

[1:24:30] of getting people's heads around the

[1:24:31] idea of having

[1:24:35] uh resources uh ready and prepared for

[1:24:39] when people come back into town in the

[1:24:42] evening. and maybe uh making sure that

[1:24:45] our restaurants and other uh services

[1:24:47] are there for

[1:24:50] uh those folks because that's truly

[1:24:53] putting our best foot forward and

[1:24:55] understanding the expectation of it. So

[1:24:56] I think that's some of those

[1:24:58] conversations need to be had and make

[1:25:01] sure that we're saying the same thing

[1:25:03] over and over again as we talk about

[1:25:05] what that looks like. Are are you saying

[1:25:07] that you see that as a retreat topic or

[1:25:09] like a study session topic as we're

[1:25:11] starting a retreat topic and kind of a

[1:25:13] but not a not a a super in-depth? It's

[1:25:16] more of like

[1:25:17] >> an update.

[1:25:18] » an update.

[1:25:18] >> Yeah. More of an update and keeping

[1:25:19] » Yeah. More of an update and keeping

[1:25:19] people on

[1:25:21] >> uh on the a on brand for what we're

[1:25:25] » uh on the a on brand for what we're

[1:25:25] trying to accomplish because we got a

[1:25:27] lot of people trying to make this thing

[1:25:28] work right. We really want to come

[1:25:30] across as the community that that helps

[1:25:34] support bringing Sundance here. Okay.

[1:25:36] And then before we go on, so um Sandy,

[1:25:40] do you feel like number three, the team

[1:25:42] building segment, do you think that's we

[1:25:45] can check that off? Okay. So that's

[1:25:47] done. So looking at kind of processing

[1:25:50] uh fire preparedness update on uh

[1:25:55] Sundance,

[1:25:57] uh trying to think looking at um other

[1:26:00] department pieces. I guess that would be

[1:26:04] maybe number two. what reports and

[1:26:05] presentations would be helpful. Now, I

[1:26:08] did catch in one of them talking about

[1:26:10] the state of the departments.

[1:26:12] >> Um, I'm going to respectfully disagree,

[1:26:15] » Um, I'm going to respectfully disagree,

[1:26:15] respectfully disagree. Um, it is

[1:26:17] important that we do know where the

[1:26:19] departments are as far as what their

[1:26:22] reality is, especially when we're making

[1:26:24] goals that where there's money implied.

[1:26:27] And so, we need to know kind of what the

[1:26:30] demands are of staff. Um, it doesn't

[1:26:32] have to really be in depth as far as

[1:26:34] what, you know, what they're presenting

[1:26:37] to us, but I think it's really important

[1:26:39] and I really value that, especially my

[1:26:41] first couple of years on council is

[1:26:43] understanding what the departments have

[1:26:45] to do, what what is their reality, their

[1:26:49] staffing, their so if we're looking for,

[1:26:52] you know, looking at development and

[1:26:54] we're looking at adding new initiatives

[1:26:56] that we need to make sure that our staff

[1:26:59] has what they need so they can be

[1:27:01] successful.

[1:27:01] So, it's just kind of adding that extra

[1:27:04] lens and perspective. Um, so I would

[1:27:07] like something where staff does give us

[1:27:10] and it doesn't have to be super long or

[1:27:11] super intense. Um, you know, intense,

[1:27:14] but I did appreciate just from my own

[1:27:17] experience.

[1:27:18] >> Yeah, I was going to ask I think what I

[1:27:20] » Yeah, I was going to ask I think what I

[1:27:20] wanted to do is really a capacity

[1:27:22] conversation.

[1:27:23] >> Yes. Because I think in all of this

[1:27:26] » Yes. Because I think in all of this

[1:27:26] there's a finite capacity

[1:27:28] >> and it's based on what we're already

[1:27:30] » and it's based on what we're already

[1:27:30] working on and what we're wanting to

[1:27:32] work on and balancing that capacity

[1:27:35] because you've heard me say this

[1:27:37] recently. We're we're at max capacity in

[1:27:40] some ways which is going to have to come

[1:27:43] into the decision-m process in terms of

[1:27:46] what do we take on now? What do we take

[1:27:47] on down the road? So,

[1:27:49] >> I've done a capacity presentation at the

[1:27:52] » I've done a capacity presentation at the

[1:27:52] last two that may

[1:27:54] >> capture that, but I'm going to do it

[1:27:56] » capture that, but I'm going to do it

[1:27:56] from a holistic perspective of the

[1:27:58] entire organization

[1:27:59] >> if that's what you're getting at. Yes.

[1:28:01] » if that's what you're getting at. Yes.

[1:28:01] But I would like to do that just to set

[1:28:03] the framework.

[1:28:05] >> Of course. Yeah. And you know, and I

[1:28:06] » Of course. Yeah. And you know, and I

[1:28:06] think about FTE, you know, I've been in

[1:28:09] close conversations with our fire and um

[1:28:11] public safety and just, you know,

[1:28:13] looking at their capacity, you know,

[1:28:15] especially as we're looking at higher

[1:28:17] density. what does that mean? Do we have

[1:28:19] enough people on on staff to to address

[1:28:22] if there's apartment fire? And so so

[1:28:25] just knowing those dynamics. Um that's

[1:28:28] just my input,

[1:28:29] >> but go ahead uh Council Member Marcen.

[1:28:34] » Oh, did I put on the wrong one? I did.

[1:28:37] So I apologize. So thank you, Mayor, and

[1:28:40] I appreciate you raising that. And I and

[1:28:41] I want to be clear about the context of

[1:28:43] the the note that I sent. It was

[1:28:44] certainly not intended to be, you know,

[1:28:46] disrespectful of staff or anything like

[1:28:47] that in the lightest. I think I think

[1:28:49] anyone who's been in meetings long

[1:28:50] enough knows that there are I'm going to

[1:28:52] report out for 45 minutes about this.

[1:28:54] And I think for for me personally, I

[1:28:56] think there absolutely capacity is a

[1:28:58] valuable conversation. What can staff

[1:29:00] handle? What individual projects are

[1:29:02] maybe we're not aware of that staff is

[1:29:04] working on day-to-day? I think from my

[1:29:06] perspective, the thing that I would that

[1:29:08] that just and again one of seven the

[1:29:12] having that space to talk with each

[1:29:15] other about shared goals and priorities

[1:29:18] in in

[1:29:20] just knowing that time is an asset that

[1:29:23] that that would be my priority if we had

[1:29:25] the the choice between the two. So, I

[1:29:27] just wanted to clarify certainly not

[1:29:28] looking to be at all, you know,

[1:29:30] disrespectful of staff or staff time.

[1:29:32] And and that's part of the goal, too, is

[1:29:33] I I would hope that staff doesn't have

[1:29:35] to do a lot of preparation for this

[1:29:36] retreat. I would hope that it's that

[1:29:38] it's us that has to carry a lot of that

[1:29:39] load as we move forward. So, thank you,

[1:29:42] Mayor.

[1:29:43] >> Of course. No, and I didn't take it that

[1:29:44] » Of course. No, and I didn't take it that

[1:29:44] way. I just wanted to add some context

[1:29:47] to that piece. So, I'm going to kick it

[1:29:49] back to Council Member Christ and then

[1:29:50] I'll work my way to the other side.

[1:29:55] Well, this is slightly from the um side

[1:29:58] talking about this, but um just an

[1:30:00] observation that most of us have come

[1:30:02] off of a campaign recently. So, we've

[1:30:05] been on a a real listening tour and it's

[1:30:08] important to take all that information

[1:30:11] and discuss it and even the nuances of

[1:30:13] it because a lot of it comes down to the

[1:30:15] same topics that we talk about here. How

[1:30:18] do we engage with the public better? How

[1:30:21] do we um

[1:30:24] how do we see unintended consequences

[1:30:26] before we end up there? How, you know,

[1:30:28] how do we solve some of these problems

[1:30:30] that have been plaguing us where we're

[1:30:32] just not quite where we want to be with

[1:30:34] them? And so, I think it takes a wider

[1:30:36] lens and a wider understanding of how

[1:30:40] how we all approach problems because I

[1:30:42] think if we put all our all of our heads

[1:30:43] together, we will have every

[1:30:46] every sector covered and we'll come up

[1:30:49] with some good ideas. not to overwhelm

[1:30:51] staff. And I think one of the advantages

[1:30:54] also of having a second day is we can

[1:30:56] kind of hash all this out and then have

[1:30:58] a list of questions for staff

[1:31:01] to school us. You know, I I think you

[1:31:04] have an amazing amount of information,

[1:31:07] talent, and um insights after doing this

[1:31:10] for so many years. So um yeah. Uh, so I

[1:31:15] didn't come up with a list of specific

[1:31:17] topics yet, although I kind of have them

[1:31:19] in my head because I think everybody has

[1:31:21] heard some of the same things, but maybe

[1:31:23] in different ways. And I want to hear

[1:31:26] all those different ways that people

[1:31:28] come to us with concerns, but also, you

[1:31:30] know, what they like and what they don't

[1:31:32] like. Some things are positive for some

[1:31:34] people and negative for others, but but

[1:31:36] what what is the what are the roots of

[1:31:39] that? and uh Mayor Hoga, one thing that

[1:31:42] um I was thinking about with respect to

[1:31:44] council member Christ's motion at the

[1:31:46] beginning of this particular council

[1:31:48] session around taking a look at the

[1:31:50] National Civic League's, you know, kind

[1:31:51] of framework around some of that. We can

[1:31:54] continue. The current motion is to do

[1:31:55] that in a pre session. I assume we would

[1:31:58] probably be able to still fit in a

[1:31:59] preession before the retreat. I'm

[1:32:00] looking at Harold and he can say

[1:32:02] absolutely not. But the presession on

[1:32:04] the National Civic Leave kind of

[1:32:05] framework for engagement. But if

[1:32:07] engagement is something that you'd like

[1:32:08] to talk about in the retreat, it may

[1:32:10] make sense to have that discussion at

[1:32:11] the retreat rather than at a presession

[1:32:13] kind of segregated. Yeah. So learning

[1:32:15] more about the National Civic League

[1:32:17] framework, talking a little bit about,

[1:32:19] you know, what the community engagement

[1:32:20] looks like today and what your ideas are

[1:32:22] for making that more robust over time.

[1:32:25] Um, you know, that that might be a nice

[1:32:27] one to put together at the retreat if

[1:32:29] you're interested. Otherwise, we'll run

[1:32:30] a preession ahead of time.

[1:32:32] >> Okay. Um, do you feel like you need to

[1:32:34] » Okay. Um, do you feel like you need to

[1:32:34] have it as a presession or can we

[1:32:37] compile this to the retreat?

[1:32:41] And I'm looking for your

[1:32:44] >> I think there are two options. We could

[1:32:46] » I think there are two options. We could

[1:32:46] actually have them facilitate and have

[1:32:48] us learn the system which could be fun

[1:32:51] and it also would be something that the

[1:32:53] public might see.

[1:32:54] >> Yeah. and and or have the conversation

[1:32:57] » Yeah. and and or have the conversation

[1:32:57] earlier and and then at at retreat

[1:33:00] >> either one

[1:33:01] » either one

[1:33:01] >> discuss you know how we might implement

[1:33:02] » discuss you know how we might implement

[1:33:02] that and maybe

[1:33:05] >> maybe both you know maybe we we try it

[1:33:08] » maybe both you know maybe we we try it

[1:33:08] out on ourselves makes ourselves the

[1:33:10] guinea pigs and then what we learn from

[1:33:12] that we say okay we think this would

[1:33:14] work in this arena or with these types

[1:33:16] of problems issues concerns

[1:33:19] >> so maybe we'll hold off on the preession

[1:33:22] » so maybe we'll hold off on the preession

[1:33:22] until scheduling a presession until

[1:33:24] after the retreat. Do cover this at the

[1:33:28] retreat and then we can figure out how

[1:33:30] we want to organize the presession.

[1:33:33] >> Let's decide if we're going to have a

[1:33:34] » Let's decide if we're going to have a

[1:33:34] facilitator or not.

[1:33:35] >> Okay?

[1:33:36] » Okay?

[1:33:36] >> Because I don't think we've decided that

[1:33:37] » Because I don't think we've decided that

[1:33:37] yet, but if we're going to have an

[1:33:39] external facilitator, I would like them

[1:33:41] to come in and and just introduce the

[1:33:42] topic to us. They don't have to

[1:33:44] facilitate.

[1:33:46] >> That would be number four. Is that kind

[1:33:48] » That would be number four. Is that kind

[1:33:48] of what I'm looking at? Okay.

[1:33:50] >> Yes.

[1:33:51] » Yes.

[1:33:51] >> So, thank you. Okay. Okay. And then now

[1:33:52] » So, thank you. Okay. Okay. And then now

[1:33:52] um Council Member Prietto,

[1:33:54] >> I don't know.

[1:33:57] » I don't know.

[1:33:57] >> I have two suggestions. Is Is this an

[1:33:59] » I have two suggestions. Is Is this an

[1:33:59] appropriate time?

[1:34:00] >> Yeah, go for it.

[1:34:01] » Yeah, go for it.

[1:34:01] >> Okay. Um so one of my suggestions is um

[1:34:04] » Okay. Um so one of my suggestions is um

[1:34:04] with potential federal funding cuts

[1:34:06] coming down the pipeline to some of the

[1:34:07] social service programs. Um I would like

[1:34:10] to add some human service discussions

[1:34:12] around funding programs and just a

[1:34:14] general overview of where Longmont

[1:34:15] stands in meeting some of the

[1:34:17] community's most basic needs. um

[1:34:20] specifically child care, eviction

[1:34:22] prevention, food access, etc. Um so

[1:34:25] that's one of them. Staff can just

[1:34:27] provide us a presentation or we can have

[1:34:28] a discussion maybe just let us know like

[1:34:31] this is what we're doing around child

[1:34:32] care. This is what we're doing and and

[1:34:34] of course including other um community

[1:34:37] stakeholders because of course the city

[1:34:38] of Longmont doesn't own

[1:34:40] >> um all of it. We're working with a lot

[1:34:42] » um all of it. We're working with a lot

[1:34:42] of community partners who are doing some

[1:34:44] really good work in the community. But

[1:34:45] just so we know as council where where

[1:34:48] do we need to focus our attention, where

[1:34:50] do we need to respond? And I'm hoping by

[1:34:53] then we'll know exactly what that impact

[1:34:55] looks like um to our community and and

[1:34:58] where the needs are.

[1:35:00] And then I have another suggestion if

[1:35:02] you want me to pause.

[1:35:03] >> Um so those two, so child care and

[1:35:06] » Um so those two, so child care and

[1:35:06] federal funding and what was

[1:35:08] >> uh eviction prevention access

[1:35:11] » uh eviction prevention access

[1:35:11] >> kind of the the the kind of the top. So

[1:35:14] » kind of the the the kind of the top. So

[1:35:14] it's so yeah. So, we're going to have

[1:35:15] federal impacts that are going to be

[1:35:17] >> uh impacting child care, um housing,

[1:35:21] » uh impacting child care, um housing,

[1:35:21] like so eviction prevention was one of

[1:35:23] the things I was thinking of and then

[1:35:24] food access.

[1:35:25] >> Food access. Oh yeah, that was the other

[1:35:27] » Food access. Oh yeah, that was the other

[1:35:27] one

[1:35:27] >> because I know that that is was

[1:35:28] » because I know that that is was

[1:35:28] identified as one of the needs on the um

[1:35:32] community survey.

[1:35:33] >> And then could that be incorporated in

[1:35:34] » And then could that be incorporated in

[1:35:34] part in number two, the reports,

[1:35:37] presentations?

[1:35:39] C

[1:35:39] >> it certainly could. I mean many of these

[1:35:42] » it certainly could. I mean many of these

[1:35:42] pieces, right? housing, early care, and

[1:35:44] you know, I think last year we added

[1:35:46] food and security as part of the council

[1:35:48] vision or security [laughter] as the

[1:35:51] vision. Um, and so I I do think that

[1:35:54] this is represented in the current work

[1:35:55] plan. Um, and and certainly could be

[1:35:57] discussed as part of that overview.

[1:35:59] >> Okay. No, that's that's good. It feels

[1:36:01] » Okay. No, that's that's good. It feels

[1:36:01] like a lot of that can be interwoven

[1:36:03] into other other parts, but um yes.

[1:36:06] Okay. Thank you. I I was going to try to

[1:36:08] Okay, number one. number two. But

[1:36:10] there's so many things where

[1:36:13] >> I'm kind of letting we're going to go

[1:36:14] » I'm kind of letting we're going to go

[1:36:14] organically a little bit. Council member

[1:36:17] Popkin.

[1:36:17] >> Oh, I had one.

[1:36:18] » Oh, I had one.

[1:36:18] >> Oh, I'm so sorry. I Yeah, I remember.

[1:36:20] » Oh, I'm so sorry. I Yeah, I remember.

[1:36:20] >> And then just a really small portion of

[1:36:23] » And then just a really small portion of

[1:36:23] our retreat to talk a little bit about

[1:36:26] uh just efficiencies, council

[1:36:28] efficiencies and work efficiencies on

[1:36:30] and how we function.

[1:36:33] Um, you know, there's just a lot of

[1:36:36] little kind of suggestions and areas

[1:36:38] that I think that we could improve

[1:36:40] administratively to help us, you know,

[1:36:43] respond more efficiently, you know, get

[1:36:47] uh residents answers to questions more

[1:36:50] efficiently. And so, just a small

[1:36:52] portion just to kind of talk about like

[1:36:53] what are those priorities, what does it

[1:36:54] look like, come to an agreement, and

[1:36:56] then make a move on those.

[1:36:57] >> Okay.

[1:36:58] » Okay.

[1:36:58] >> Yeah.

[1:37:00] » Yeah.

[1:37:00] And then I'll let you kind of decide if

[1:37:03] that's something because that that'll be

[1:37:04] our conversation, but kind of where it

[1:37:06] where would it embed in the

[1:37:08] >> I can see where that where that also

[1:37:09] » I can see where that where that also

[1:37:09] comes. You know, if we spent some time

[1:37:12] first of all learning about our

[1:37:13] leadership styles and how we work better

[1:37:15] with each other and how do we

[1:37:16] communicate with each other and then

[1:37:17] maybe move that into how do we have

[1:37:19] efficient meetings? um you know that

[1:37:22] that kind of piece and see how the civic

[1:37:23] league work um also fits into that

[1:37:26] because I think the idea of trying it on

[1:37:28] ourselves trying it on yourselves um you

[1:37:31] know might fit into that as well. So

[1:37:32] kind of one segment around that, right?

[1:37:35] Council um operations efficiencies and

[1:37:38] knowing each other. One segment on staff

[1:37:40] capacities um and things like that.

[1:37:43] >> One with some presentations, fire, a

[1:37:45] » One with some presentations, fire, a

[1:37:45] Sundance update and you know and maybe a

[1:37:48] brief council work plan update. You'll

[1:37:49] have all that all the deep dive. We'll

[1:37:51] have it all written so so that it's not

[1:37:53] huge long presentations but we could

[1:37:55] certainly give some short updates as

[1:37:56] well.

[1:37:57] >> Okay, great. Thank you. Now

[1:37:59] » Okay, great. Thank you. Now

[1:37:59] >> sorry. So, like the federal funding

[1:38:00] » sorry. So, like the federal funding

[1:38:00] piece, um, that's something that is part

[1:38:03] of the work plan and so we can update

[1:38:04] the work plan and you can have a good

[1:38:06] chunk of that deep dive information

[1:38:07] ahead of time.

[1:38:09] >> Yeah.

[1:38:09] » Yeah.

[1:38:09] >> Okay, great. Thank you. Um, Council

[1:38:11] » Okay, great. Thank you. Um, Council

[1:38:11] Member Popkin.

[1:38:13] >> Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um, and thank

[1:38:14] » Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um, and thank

[1:38:14] you, Sandy, and and my fellow council

[1:38:16] members for all the ideas so far. Um,

[1:38:18] you actually just addressed maybe two or

[1:38:20] three of my suggestions, which I would

[1:38:22] say a plus one on like in some ways a

[1:38:24] pre-eread on some of these upformational

[1:38:27] updates. I think would allow us to kind

[1:38:29] of uh fulfill the spirit of Council

[1:38:31] Member Mars's suggestion, which I

[1:38:33] actually fully agree with. I'd love to

[1:38:34] have more space for us to all I I feel

[1:38:37] like that's a a limited commodity is

[1:38:39] space when we can actually all discuss

[1:38:41] freely together. Um, and you know, we

[1:38:44] aren't worried about pushing 11:00 at

[1:38:46] night. Um so uh would would very much

[1:38:49] welcome that and then still appreciate

[1:38:51] theformational items so we can have the

[1:38:53] most informed discussion possible. Um so

[1:38:55] that just speaks to kind of more uh

[1:38:57] presentation information or other

[1:38:59] updates as like a council com ahead of

[1:39:02] time where possible. [clears throat]

[1:39:03] Um, plus one on Sundance, though I'd

[1:39:05] take a slightly uh I have a slightly

[1:39:09] different perspective on on the

[1:39:10] opportunity of Sundance than uh the

[1:39:12] mayor prom on this and that maybe

[1:39:13] there's some more opportunities that we

[1:39:15] aren't fully uh utilizing. And I think

[1:39:17] having that discussion kind of in real

[1:39:20] time in March would be productive even

[1:39:22] if it's not fully realized by next

[1:39:24] January. This is a 10-year program at

[1:39:27] least or commitment to the region. So

[1:39:29] thinking about how do we grow into this

[1:39:31] um and what what we should be looking

[1:39:32] for I would

[1:39:34] >> okay

[1:39:34] » okay

[1:39:34] >> um the uh second thinking about the

[1:39:38] » um the uh second thinking about the

[1:39:38] vision of like what's our kind of vision

[1:39:40] for the airport as a council um and

[1:39:46] uh up plus one um what uh council member

[1:39:49] Prito was suggesting too on like how we

[1:39:51] work together efficiently um I think you

[1:39:53] actually asked me a question kind of as

[1:39:55] we were joining the new term saying like

[1:39:57] what happens when we get emails and

[1:40:00] do se are seven people responding in

[1:40:02] different ways. Are are we like tag

[1:40:05] teaming this because of open meetings

[1:40:07] laws and and like we can't all be on

[1:40:09] multiple things. So maybe there's a way

[1:40:10] we can um better like say like hey this

[1:40:14] pair works on this issue or this like

[1:40:16] this word and this at large pair will

[1:40:18] respond on most of these issues some

[1:40:19] something like that. I don't know what

[1:40:20] the answer is, but um I think that would

[1:40:22] be a great way to like a great time to

[1:40:24] try to figure out what's the optimal way

[1:40:25] we can uh collaborate or support each

[1:40:27] other on that so that we're not stepping

[1:40:29] on toes or sending mixed messages.

[1:40:31] >> I'm going to tell you, I've been here

[1:40:32] » I'm going to tell you, I've been here

[1:40:32] since 2019 and I still don't know.

[1:40:35] [laughter]

[1:40:36] >> Has it been a retreat item before?

[1:40:37] » Has it been a retreat item before?

[1:40:37] >> It has never been. So, I I thoroughly

[1:40:40] » It has never been. So, I I thoroughly

[1:40:40] [laughter]

[1:40:41] support that idea. I I want answers.

[1:40:44] >> Excellent. Um I'll also second the

[1:40:46] » Excellent. Um I'll also second the

[1:40:46] regional resilience discussion. um maybe

[1:40:48] beyond just fire mitigation and thinking

[1:40:50] more about um we we get a lot of

[1:40:52] questions about water as well. And I

[1:40:54] think just having that kind of open

[1:40:55] discussion about like hey what how are

[1:40:58] we with the natural resource situation

[1:40:59] that we're in and the overall kind of

[1:41:02] regional climate and what are we facing

[1:41:03] and what kind of challenges are we

[1:41:04] prepared for and what's kind of you know

[1:41:07] more of a an ambition in terms of

[1:41:10] preparedness.

[1:41:12] Um, and then the last two things I'll

[1:41:14] put on the table here. Um, one as an

[1:41:16] activity or exercise potentially given

[1:41:18] what I've heard from my colleagues, um,

[1:41:20] I might suggest that whether it's Sandy

[1:41:22] or the facilitation team look into the

[1:41:23] how now wow exercise which allows uh,

[1:41:26] folks to work together and figure out

[1:41:28] hey what are we trying to do now or what

[1:41:30] do we know how to do now? What are we um

[1:41:34] figuring out how to do but we can do is

[1:41:36] within our capacity and what do we not

[1:41:38] know how to do but really want to do.

[1:41:40] Um, and it's kind of a nice way to

[1:41:41] bucket different goals, um, or

[1:41:43] priorities. Um,

[1:41:46] and then I think the last thing I just

[1:41:48] really want to offer on the table that I

[1:41:50] didn't see anywhere else is thinking

[1:41:52] about what our vision is for, you know,

[1:41:54] we've had some discussions in LA urban

[1:41:56] renewal authority and in city council a

[1:41:58] little bit, but what is our vision for

[1:42:00] the first and main area like fully and

[1:42:03] and how do we make that I mean that that

[1:42:04] might be one of the most significant uh

[1:42:07] local development uh efforts that's

[1:42:10] happening. And I think having a clear

[1:42:11] understanding of what what are we all

[1:42:13] staff council working towards there um

[1:42:17] for clarity for the community. So,

[1:42:19] >> so and that last one I would assume

[1:42:22] » so and that last one I would assume

[1:42:22] that's going to be going on to number

[1:42:24] one where we're looking at our work

[1:42:26] plan. We're looking at our our goals and

[1:42:28] I think you know there it's related to

[1:42:31] kind of

[1:42:31] >> how I I'm just kind of thinking about

[1:42:33] » how I I'm just kind of thinking about

[1:42:33] how can we embed some of these topics so

[1:42:35] they're not isolated but just kind of

[1:42:37] interwoven in things that we're we're

[1:42:39] covering. So it's not and and how are

[1:42:42] you feeling like you're looking at this

[1:42:43] list and

[1:42:44] >> yeah I think I think if we could offer a

[1:42:46] » yeah I think I think if we could offer a

[1:42:46] lot of pre-work for the council I think

[1:42:48] that would be helpful.

[1:42:49] >> Okay.

[1:42:49] » Okay.

[1:42:49] >> Um I know I spent a year of my life

[1:42:51] » Um I know I spent a year of my life

[1:42:51] working on the first and main uh

[1:42:53] visioning exercise and the main street

[1:42:55] corridor project and listening to the

[1:42:56] community and so there's such great

[1:42:58] information already out there. Yes.

[1:43:00] >> Um that that that work as a foundation

[1:43:02] » Um that that that work as a foundation

[1:43:02] and stepping stone. And so um the same

[1:43:04] thing with the airport that I found an

[1:43:06] old airport business plan the day. I'm

[1:43:07] like these are all the things we're

[1:43:09] talking about. Huh. Okay. Um and so, you

[1:43:11] know, if we can provide some of that

[1:43:13] depth in the packet for council, then

[1:43:16] hopefully we could reduce um you know,

[1:43:18] the presentation side of it and have

[1:43:20] more discussion coming from the

[1:43:21] springboard because where it gets tough

[1:43:22] is when people are brainstorming things

[1:43:24] that have already been

[1:43:25] >> vetted and discussed in the community.

[1:43:27] » vetted and discussed in the community.

[1:43:27] So, if if we can provide that as a

[1:43:29] foundation for you to be able to take it

[1:43:31] from there, I think we could

[1:43:32] >> that would be very

[1:43:33] » that would be very

[1:43:33] >> reduce the staff presentations and still

[1:43:34] » reduce the staff presentations and still

[1:43:34] honor all of the work already been done.

[1:43:36] >> Honor the work that's already been done.

[1:43:38] » Honor the work that's already been done.

[1:43:38] And then by that time we would be able

[1:43:39] to sit on this, reflect on it and have

[1:43:42] our own discussion where you're just

[1:43:44] kind of getting your popcorn and

[1:43:45] watching it [laughter]

[1:43:47] watching the sparks fly. Um, Council

[1:43:49] Member Colover,

[1:43:52] >> I really appreciate what Council Member

[1:43:53] » I really appreciate what Council Member

[1:43:53] Prito said. Um, because yes, the looking

[1:43:56] at all of the emails, it is very

[1:43:58] confusing who's doing what. So, I really

[1:44:00] applaud that. I also want to add on the

[1:44:02] the federal budget crisis that we're in

[1:44:05] and I don't want to water down the very

[1:44:07] important topics that she brought up,

[1:44:08] but I know there's a lot of other

[1:44:09] departments in the city that are waiting

[1:44:11] on funding to come through that have

[1:44:13] been paused. I know Vision Zero is also

[1:44:15] seeing some of those funding. Um, so I

[1:44:18] don't know if we can have a highlevel

[1:44:20] overview of all of the grants that we're

[1:44:23] waiting on and then maybe we can deep

[1:44:25] dive on some of the ones that we we

[1:44:27] select that are really important. But I

[1:44:28] think it'd be nice to have a very high

[1:44:30] level of this is what it looks like on a

[1:44:32] on a federal level for all these

[1:44:34] different departments and then deep dive

[1:44:36] into those really important topics. Um

[1:44:38] when it comes to Sundance, I would love

[1:44:39] to see like Visit Longmont come and give

[1:44:42] us some information on what they're

[1:44:44] working on just so we can get up to

[1:44:46] speed and we're all rowing together. Um

[1:44:48] just so we're not stepping on their toes

[1:44:50] and we're not um kind of colliding

[1:44:52] together. Um, so it'd be nice to invite

[1:44:54] also some of our boards or outside

[1:44:56] boards to present as well if that's

[1:44:57] possible. Um, and then when it comes to

[1:45:00] uh team building, I've done insights

[1:45:02] discovery. I'm not suggesting that we do

[1:45:04] that, but um, it's something really good

[1:45:05] where we can learn um, different

[1:45:07] personalities and how to communicate

[1:45:09] with each other. Thank you.

[1:45:11] >> Okay. Um, thank you for that. And then,

[1:45:14] » Okay. Um, thank you for that. And then,

[1:45:14] you know, adding on and I I couldn't

[1:45:16] remember what I there was something I

[1:45:18] wanted to ask and I could not remember

[1:45:21] what it was and it sparked a memory to

[1:45:24] add LDDDA to the conversation as well.

[1:45:27] >> The the Sundance the Sundance

[1:45:29] » The the Sundance the Sundance

[1:45:29] conversation.

[1:45:29] >> Um, not necessar. Yeah. just in general

[1:45:32] » Um, not necessar. Yeah. just in general

[1:45:32] like really building you know since my

[1:45:35] start on council and and we've try I've

[1:45:38] made efforts I've tried and there there

[1:45:41] seems to be a disconnect between

[1:45:42] business and council what we're moving

[1:45:45] forward and I think it's just that lack

[1:45:48] of opportunity to have discussion so it

[1:45:52] you know being able to bring in LDDA um

[1:45:56] visit long lDA and visit Longmont and

[1:45:59] LEDp to into the conversation and, you

[1:46:02] know, have them

[1:46:04] kind of weigh in on what what they're

[1:46:06] seeing, what their reality is, and

[1:46:08] making sure that we're not, you know,

[1:46:10] unintentionally making, you know, moving

[1:46:13] forward on priorities that that hurt

[1:46:15] small business. Um, Council Member, um,

[1:46:20] Marcine, go ahead.

[1:46:21] >> Thank you, Mayor. Just and I, we've kind

[1:46:23] » Thank you, Mayor. Just and I, we've kind

[1:46:23] of discussed it. Just a conceptual

[1:46:25] question for staff and for, you know,

[1:46:28] you, Mayor, and others who've been

[1:46:29] through the process. Council member

[1:46:30] Chris, member Chair McCoy, who who've

[1:46:31] kind of because I'm I'm sitting here and

[1:46:33] we've got the, you know, the 2023

[1:46:34] council priorities chart here. And all

[1:46:37] of these are still, you know, ECE is

[1:46:39] still a a crisis for working families in

[1:46:41] our community. And I think any of us

[1:46:43] could sit down and say, you know, what

[1:46:45] are the three issues that you most want

[1:46:47] to talk about or discuss in our retreat?

[1:46:49] And that's and we and we would probably

[1:46:51] come up with a lot of the same ones, but

[1:46:52] we'd all maybe bring something a little

[1:46:54] bit different to the table. So, I guess

[1:46:55] my question is just process-wise,

[1:46:58] conceptually that you're talking about

[1:47:00] that work plan work that occurs. I guess

[1:47:04] if you can just tell me talk to me a

[1:47:06] little bit about how that has occurred

[1:47:07] in the past and how we together can get

[1:47:10] to you know that collaborative

[1:47:13] conversation around these core issues

[1:47:15] because I think so you you get what I'm

[1:47:18] I'm asking is is how do we how do we go

[1:47:20] about that and what does that work

[1:47:23] ultimately entail to get us to a place

[1:47:25] where we can update these things where

[1:47:26] we have an understanding of what are all

[1:47:28] what are the three issues that we all

[1:47:30] nail into. if you can just quickly kind

[1:47:32] of help me understand that a little bit.

[1:47:34] >> Yeah, that's a that's a great question.

[1:47:35] » Yeah, that's a that's a great question.

[1:47:35] Um, Mayor Huggle Fairing and Council

[1:47:37] Member Marcen, if you take a look at

[1:47:39] that chart, at the very base of that is

[1:47:40] core services. And so, part of it is

[1:47:43] rooting everybody in. This is the 90%

[1:47:45] 95% of the things that we do every day

[1:47:47] to provide public safety, to provide

[1:47:50] quality of life services and um

[1:47:52] infrastructure to the community. And

[1:47:54] just letting folks know that that's what

[1:47:55] it is and these are the things we're

[1:47:56] facing this next year so that you have

[1:47:58] that in mind in the back of your head.

[1:48:00] Then as you moved up um equity, safety,

[1:48:02] and sustainability. This is kind of how

[1:48:04] we do this work. So it's something just

[1:48:05] to kind of keep in mind as you're

[1:48:06] working through um you know your um your

[1:48:10] planning. And then the three pillars,

[1:48:12] right? Housing for all, the uh early

[1:48:14] childhood care and education and

[1:48:16] transportation. Those are huge topics

[1:48:19] and there could be seven billion

[1:48:20] projects that go under each of those.

[1:48:22] And so prior councils have chosen

[1:48:24] specific projects that they've wanted to

[1:48:26] focus on. I would assume this council

[1:48:28] would do the same and have some

[1:48:29] conversation around are these three

[1:48:31] still the right pillars for this council

[1:48:34] and what are the things that you're

[1:48:36] interested in accomplishing during the

[1:48:37] time in which you are a council and how

[1:48:39] does that look um a part of that is also

[1:48:42] the places and amenities uh that the

[1:48:44] reason that's a roof on this little

[1:48:46] graphic is because you know it it is the

[1:48:48] stuff that kind of encompasses right so

[1:48:50] when you are talking about

[1:48:51] transportation you're talking about

[1:48:52] first and main but you're also talking

[1:48:54] about placemaking and the amenities that

[1:48:56] are going to come with that and so

[1:48:57] ensuring that the places that we are

[1:48:59] planning um are in congruence with the

[1:49:01] council's priorities. Um and then

[1:49:03] [clears throat] behind that is the

[1:49:04] climate action side. There was a

[1:49:06] realization from past council that we

[1:49:08] aren't the only ones that are going to

[1:49:09] affect the climate but we do have an

[1:49:12] effect on the climate and

[1:49:13] [clears throat] so ensuring that some of

[1:49:14] the council goals that we have towards

[1:49:16] renewable energy um and sustainability

[1:49:18] are in mind as you are going through the

[1:49:21] planning. So how we have done it in the

[1:49:23] past have varied depending on how the

[1:49:25] council wants to look at it. But I think

[1:49:27] the first real question is are these

[1:49:28] still the right three pillars for this

[1:49:31] council. If the answer is yes and we

[1:49:34] will show you anyway. Here's all the

[1:49:35] stuff we've done under these so that you

[1:49:37] can see kind of where we are and in some

[1:49:39] cases we are mid- project in some of

[1:49:41] these. Um and so I I believe the council

[1:49:44] still wants us to continue and finish

[1:49:45] those projects. But now taking a look to

[1:49:48] the next piece understanding this is

[1:49:50] where the core services are. this is

[1:49:51] where the capacity is. Where would this

[1:49:54] council like to focus during your time?

[1:49:56] And that's going to be critical because

[1:49:58] we can't do everything. So to understand

[1:50:00] what the priority is for this council is

[1:50:02] what we would try to get through through

[1:50:04] facilitation techniques and

[1:50:05] brainstorming.

[1:50:06] >> Yeah. And then what that does is lead us

[1:50:08] » Yeah. And then what that does is lead us

[1:50:08] into so when we talk about a capacity

[1:50:11] conversation, it's not just a physical

[1:50:14] capacity to get the work done. It's do

[1:50:16] you have the financial capacity to do

[1:50:18] it? Because

[1:50:20] >> your financial resources are always

[1:50:23] » your financial resources are always

[1:50:23] going to be the guiding princip piece on

[1:50:25] this because

[1:50:27] >> do you have enough money to do all these

[1:50:28] » do you have enough money to do all these

[1:50:28] things? What are the different financing

[1:50:30] buckets that you have to look at?

[1:50:31] Because

[1:50:33] those two things start driving a lot of

[1:50:36] decisions in terms of where you move

[1:50:39] because the more you dilute the

[1:50:42] financial capacity, the less you're

[1:50:44] actually able to do.

[1:50:46] um because you're putting more money

[1:50:48] into multiple things and it makes it

[1:50:50] more difficult to solve the that piece

[1:50:53] of the puzzle. So that's the capacity

[1:50:56] conversation that we'll need to talk

[1:50:58] about. And you know the core services

[1:51:00] portion of this I think um I've done a

[1:51:02] lot of strategic planning where everyone

[1:51:04] is thinking of okay what do we want to

[1:51:06] see in the future vision which is great

[1:51:07] but if you don't recognize that a huge

[1:51:10] portion in fact most of the work that

[1:51:11] the city does is to provide clean water

[1:51:14] >> reliable electricity trash services fire

[1:51:17] » reliable electricity trash services fire

[1:51:17] and police services if you if there's

[1:51:18] not that recognition then then we are

[1:51:21] stretching the capacity way too thin as

[1:51:23] Harold reminded me when he first started

[1:51:24] here. [laughter]

[1:51:28] Okay. Um, very good. Thank you. Um,

[1:51:34] Mayor Prom McCoy.

[1:51:37] >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, I I'm looking at a

[1:51:39] » Thank you, Mayor. Um, I I'm looking at a

[1:51:39] calendar here and I'm thinking about how

[1:51:42] uh it's it's kind of a shame that uh

[1:51:45] Council Member PTO and and Council

[1:51:47] Member Koffers points to the um grants

[1:51:52] and things like that. Uh and this

[1:51:54] conversation that we're talking about

[1:51:56] having uh around um you know our our new

[1:52:00] priorities or potentially new priorities

[1:52:03] uh couldn't have come earlier because

[1:52:05] just literally the week before many of

[1:52:08] us might be going to the National League

[1:52:10] of Cities conference and wanting to kind

[1:52:12] of make sure that we're getting the

[1:52:14] right message out to uh our um

[1:52:19] representatives [snorts]

[1:52:20] in Washington. uh and the message that

[1:52:23] we want as a as a collective council,

[1:52:26] not not not after the fact. I just it's

[1:52:30] a bummer that uh and there's no changing

[1:52:33] it now, but there's just no uh it's a

[1:52:36] shame that we couldn't have had somehow

[1:52:38] conversations about those uh things

[1:52:41] because those are the things that as we

[1:52:43] move forward and as we go to uh to talk

[1:52:46] to members of uh of Congress and uh and

[1:52:49] also talk to other communities about how

[1:52:52] they're uh handling these challenges

[1:52:55] uh would be seriously beneficial. to the

[1:52:59] the overall uh positive and and success

[1:53:04] of of this council. So, uh I don't know

[1:53:07] how to change that, Sandy. I just uh

[1:53:11] think that it's kind of something that

[1:53:12] as we proceed maybe there's some way of

[1:53:16] of seeing how we

[1:53:19] how we can

[1:53:21] get a a a working plan going forward so

[1:53:25] that people h are relatively on what we

[1:53:29] think people's priorities will be.

[1:53:32] >> We we could certainly provide the list

[1:53:33] » We we could certainly provide the list

[1:53:33] of grants that you all were talking

[1:53:35] about um you know the the federal grants

[1:53:37] that we're reliant on or that we're

[1:53:38] waiting on. We could certainly provide

[1:53:40] that well before the retreat before we

[1:53:41] could provide it for NLC if you would

[1:53:43] drive

[1:53:43] >> and also city's priorities for getting

[1:53:45] » and also city's priorities for getting

[1:53:45] those things forward.

[1:53:47] >> So, and are you um I I do have a

[1:53:50] » So, and are you um I I do have a

[1:53:50] follow-up question. So, are you

[1:53:52] referencing

[1:53:54] um kind of taking what

[1:53:57] are what we're getting out of our

[1:53:59] council retreat in this discussion on

[1:54:01] federal funding to be able to take it to

[1:54:04] the um National League of Cities. So my

[1:54:08] wondering is if we during our council

[1:54:11] retreat, you know, allotted some time

[1:54:15] for council to update the rest of

[1:54:18] council on um what we went through at

[1:54:21] the um at the NLC conference and then

[1:54:25] kind of come to a consensus. Okay, this

[1:54:28] is what we want to advocate for. I mean,

[1:54:30] I've hours on the phone with our

[1:54:33] Congress people and, you know, I'm

[1:54:35] getting to the point where I'm calling

[1:54:36] other state Congress people and, you

[1:54:38] know, [laughter]

[1:54:40] just so you know, at least if we can

[1:54:42] come together on a consensus and

[1:54:44] messaging, then, you know, we take what

[1:54:47] we've learned from National League of

[1:54:49] Cities, what are have some conversation

[1:54:52] around that, come up with what our

[1:54:54] priorities are and how we can advocate

[1:54:56] that, you know, via phone call or email

[1:54:58] to our Congress. Congress people.

[1:55:01] >> Okay. Um well that and that would be led

[1:55:04] » Okay. Um well that and that would be led

[1:55:04] by us, not not you guys. Um Council

[1:55:06] Member Popkin.

[1:55:07] >> Yeah. Thank you. Just to also piggyback

[1:55:09] » Yeah. Thank you. Just to also piggyback

[1:55:09] on this discussion. So um just speaking

[1:55:11] from experience as as someone who's led

[1:55:13] delegations of other city council

[1:55:14] sometimes in DC. That's one of the less

[1:55:17] in from my professional opinion that's

[1:55:19] one of the less effective weeks to

[1:55:21] actually really do a coordinated

[1:55:22] lobbying effort because everyone's

[1:55:23] there. And so what I'd actually suggest

[1:55:26] is we have a discussion when we're and

[1:55:27] I've seen a couple nods there. And so

[1:55:30] what I might suggest is I I really do

[1:55:32] appreciate um the point that Mayor Prom

[1:55:34] McCoy is making though. And I'm

[1:55:35] wondering is this a better topic for

[1:55:37] maybe a presession or a study session

[1:55:39] earlier in the year than and maybe a

[1:55:42] follow- on and retreat through NLC so we

[1:55:44] can all go into NLC productively and

[1:55:47] then maybe think about a coordinated

[1:55:49] separate depending on depending on what

[1:55:51] our federal resource agenda might be or

[1:55:54] state then we have a more cohesive

[1:55:56] strategy and figure out when's the when

[1:55:58] is the right time to have a delegation

[1:56:00] from the city go and do this then it's

[1:56:03] much more intentional and oriented I

[1:56:04] think around the strategic goals that

[1:56:06] you had in mind and

[1:56:09] maybe maybe it's informed by retreat,

[1:56:11] maybe it's uh kind of maybe we're

[1:56:13] helping inform retreat.

[1:56:15] >> Yeah.

[1:56:16] » Yeah.

[1:56:16] >> So, do do we still want to all lot some

[1:56:18] » So, do do we still want to all lot some

[1:56:18] time on our retreat to have this

[1:56:19] discussion?

[1:56:20] >> Well, I think what I'm what I'm trying

[1:56:22] » Well, I think what I'm what I'm trying

[1:56:22] trying to get at is is there does it

[1:56:24] make sense based on what what uh

[1:56:27] resources we have in our crosshairs at

[1:56:29] this moment

[1:56:30] >> to do something sooner? If not, then we

[1:56:33] » to do something sooner? If not, then we

[1:56:33] can maybe do it at retreat or after. But

[1:56:35] I think either way, we should have a

[1:56:37] cohesive discussion about how do we best

[1:56:40] advocate for the resources that we need.

[1:56:42] >> Okay. Yeah. And I'm just kind of

[1:56:43] » Okay. Yeah. And I'm just kind of

[1:56:43] thinking maybe that's something down the

[1:56:45] line. I just want to get what's on the

[1:56:46] retreat right now. So,

[1:56:48] >> well, and but if it can be on a

[1:56:49] » well, and but if it can be on a

[1:56:49] presession or study session before, then

[1:56:50] we take

[1:56:51] >> And I'm wondering, this is where I'm

[1:56:52] » And I'm wondering, this is where I'm

[1:56:52] going to kick it back to to Harold and

[1:56:54] [clears throat] staff. I mean, we're

[1:56:56] running out of days. [laughter]

[1:56:58] >> I think that's true. um Mayor Hoggo

[1:57:00] » I think that's true. um Mayor Hoggo

[1:57:00] Fairing, but I do wonder how many of

[1:57:01] these could be study sessions as opposed

[1:57:03] to retreat discussion discussions.

[1:57:06] >> Um you know, when when I look at it, I

[1:57:09] » Um you know, when when I look at it, I

[1:57:09] mean, it seems to me like

[1:57:11] >> um perhaps the fire and and regional

[1:57:13] » um perhaps the fire and and regional

[1:57:13] resilience could be more of like a

[1:57:14] single study session topic or one of two

[1:57:17] or something like that.

[1:57:18] >> Um and the same thing with Sundance. um

[1:57:21] » Um and the same thing with Sundance. um

[1:57:21] you know I I understand there may want

[1:57:22] to be some brainstorming and so maybe

[1:57:24] that does lend itself better for the

[1:57:25] retreat but

[1:57:27] >> um you know they seem a little bit more

[1:57:28] » um you know they seem a little bit more

[1:57:28] isolated. It does make sense for you all

[1:57:30] to come back from NLC and share your

[1:57:32] learnings. I think that's important and

[1:57:34] that could be part of the retreat. Then

[1:57:35] you determine what your priorities are

[1:57:37] and then we take those priorities and

[1:57:38] lobby them. That's that's kind of what I

[1:57:40] have done in the past that seems to work

[1:57:42] and not necessarily even going to DC as

[1:57:45] much as just inviting our legislators

[1:57:47] here. They come they like Longmont.

[1:57:49] Yeah.

[1:57:49] >> So when we invite them, uh, they do come

[1:57:51] » So when we invite them, uh, they do come

[1:57:51] and we can speak to them much more

[1:57:53] specifically that way.

[1:57:54] >> Yeah.

[1:57:56] » Yeah.

[1:57:56] >> I think would that help because I I

[1:57:58] » I think would that help because I I

[1:57:58] would like and I'm kind of trying to

[1:58:00] think, you know, once we throw

[1:58:01] everything out on the table, then we can

[1:58:03] kind of

[1:58:04] >> pick and choose, okay, what would be

[1:58:06] » pick and choose, okay, what would be

[1:58:06] better for an open retreat conversation

[1:58:09] and what would be more conducive to just

[1:58:12] having it be part of a study session or

[1:58:15] go ahead. and we can break this up and

[1:58:17] we can get a look at it and what's

[1:58:18] really operationally driven and what

[1:58:20] makes more sense in the study session,

[1:58:21] what's really more policy driven that

[1:58:24] makes more sense in the retreat. And

[1:58:27] then to Sandy's point, you know, when we

[1:58:29] look at the Sundance conversation, a

[1:58:32] they're pretty specific in terms of what

[1:58:34] they want us to talk about, how they

[1:58:36] want us to talk about it, and they're

[1:58:37] really driving it. And it may be that

[1:58:39] that may be actually more conducive to a

[1:58:41] study session down the road once they

[1:58:44] get more clarity because

[1:58:46] >> they're still trying to do their event

[1:58:49] » they're still trying to do their event

[1:58:49] and then bring it forward.

[1:58:52] >> They've been pretty clear with us to say

[1:58:55] » They've been pretty clear with us to say

[1:58:55] >> there's words and I'm looking to Jen if

[1:58:58] » there's words and I'm looking to Jen if

[1:58:58] Jyn's around.

[1:59:00] >> Oh no.

[1:59:00] » Oh no.

[1:59:00] >> I think there's

[1:59:01] » I think there's

[1:59:01] >> Oh, there

[1:59:02] » Oh, there

[1:59:02] >> words that we can use, words that we

[1:59:04] » words that we can use, words that we

[1:59:04] can't use. I mean it's

[1:59:05] >> Mhm.

[1:59:07] » Mhm.

[1:59:07] >> Yeah.

[1:59:07] » Yeah.

[1:59:07] >> a prescription. It's we're really taking

[1:59:09] » a prescription. It's we're really taking

[1:59:09] the lead from them to support them.

[1:59:11] >> Yes. [laughter]

[1:59:12] » Yes. [laughter]

[1:59:12] >> And that may be more conducive

[1:59:14] » And that may be more conducive

[1:59:14] >> to have maybe a brief presentation on

[1:59:16] » to have maybe a brief presentation on

[1:59:16] here's what we're doing now that we know

[1:59:18] of.

[1:59:20] >> We'll know more June or July and then

[1:59:23] » We'll know more June or July and then

[1:59:23] that may be more robust conversation. Is

[1:59:26] that a

[1:59:26] >> Yeah, I think that's fair. I just was

[1:59:28] » Yeah, I think that's fair. I just was

[1:59:28] going to say generally Sundance really

[1:59:30] has to sign off on any use of Sundance

[1:59:34] um in terms of marketing and um events

[1:59:37] that are surrounding. Um so that's

[1:59:39] really just the the main component, but

[1:59:42] we can certainly provide more

[1:59:43] information at whichever time you'd like

[1:59:46] either as part of the um retreat or part

[1:59:50] of a work session.

[1:59:51] >> Okay. No, and I thank you for that. I

[1:59:54] » Okay. No, and I thank you for that. I

[1:59:54] couldn't if I was Harold and owned a

[1:59:56] business say I'm doing this

[1:59:58] >> Sundance

[2:00:00] » Sundance

[2:00:00] >> event without them signing off on it.

[2:00:02] » event without them signing off on it.

[2:00:02] And I think

[2:00:04] >> everyone's waiting on that. I think

[2:00:05] » everyone's waiting on that. I think

[2:00:05] Boulder's really still at the forefront

[2:00:07] of this too.

[2:00:09] >> Um Council Member McCoy's conversation.

[2:00:12] » Um Council Member McCoy's conversation.

[2:00:12] And I think there's over 10 years

[2:00:15] opportunities, but I think right now is

[2:00:19] it's in its infancy stage and

[2:00:21] >> yes,

[2:00:22] » yes,

[2:00:22] >> we need to watch them a little bit. But

[2:00:25] » we need to watch them a little bit. But

[2:00:25] I think we'll have more later. I think

[2:00:27] we'll have more later.

[2:00:28] >> Okay. Thank you for pointing that out. I

[2:00:29] » Okay. Thank you for pointing that out. I

[2:00:29] just, you know, I want us to be a good

[2:00:30] partner in this and um you know, and I

[2:00:33] know there's a lot of excitement around

[2:00:34] that. So, um I I think, you know, if we

[2:00:37] follow your lead and um I think Jen's

[2:00:40] already, you know, getting the

[2:00:42] information we need and then eventually

[2:00:44] get a an update when the time is right.

[2:00:47] And I accidentally turned off your mic.

[2:00:50] Go ahead, Council Member Brietto.

[2:00:52] >> Sorry, I I only had the two, but then we

[2:00:55] » Sorry, I I only had the two, but then we

[2:00:55] were talking and something came to mind

[2:00:57] and I don't know necessarily if it's

[2:00:58] like a framework in which we use or an

[2:01:01] agenda item at the retreat. I think

[2:01:04] you'll tell me right now, Sandy. Um, but

[2:01:09] I couldn't help but to think, um,

[2:01:13] [clears throat] during my campaign, I

[2:01:14] spoke a lot about

[2:01:17] how different systems come together and

[2:01:19] how a lot of the time cities have the

[2:01:21] resources they need

[2:01:24] for you to meet the needs of the

[2:01:26] community. It's there's just a lack of

[2:01:30] connection connecting those systems. Um,

[2:01:33] and I know like a lot of nonprofits,

[2:01:34] there's a lot of conversations between

[2:01:36] cities and nonprofits and community

[2:01:37] partners and schools around like how do

[2:01:40] we resource share? How do we come

[2:01:41] together? And I think that's something

[2:01:43] that I'm new though, so I don't correct

[2:01:46] me if I'm wrong, that maybe the city's

[2:01:48] lacking or a lot of places are lacking

[2:01:50] because no one has the time or energy to

[2:01:53] put toward that to actually make those

[2:01:55] connections. Um and so and then I also

[2:01:58] want to note like Harold when I was in

[2:02:01] my campaign I went to the uh state of

[2:02:03] the city and Harold talked about systems

[2:02:05] and connecting those systems and so I

[2:02:07] was like he speaks my language you know

[2:02:10] and so

[2:02:12] I don't I don't know how to put that

[2:02:15] into the agenda but I want to make sure

[2:02:18] that that language is there or that

[2:02:20] framework or maybe it becomes one of the

[2:02:23] priorities for the city is really

[2:02:26] connecting these systems within the city

[2:02:29] to meet the community need

[2:02:32] especially since we're in a moment of

[2:02:34] time where there's potential loss of

[2:02:35] funding etc etc but I don't you you

[2:02:39] would probably know better where we can

[2:02:40] kind of put that in there

[2:02:41] >> thinking

[2:02:42] » thinking

[2:02:42] >> yeah I feel like I've heard that several

[2:02:44] » yeah I feel like I've heard that several

[2:02:44] times from council members around

[2:02:46] connecting with the community like you

[2:02:48] know really making sure that we either

[2:02:50] have events or systems or ways so that

[2:02:51] we can really connect with the community

[2:02:53] whether that's individuals that maybe

[2:02:54] you haven't heard from traditionally or

[2:02:56] whether that's this you know kind of

[2:02:58] this bigger picture systems thinking

[2:02:59] aspect that you're thinking of. So I I

[2:03:01] can see where that would you know

[2:03:03] certainly fulfill many of the things

[2:03:04] that you have talked about as a group

[2:03:06] >> and that could actually we could

[2:03:09] » and that could actually we could

[2:03:09] probably incorporate that in the

[2:03:12] capacity conversation and utilizing

[2:03:14] systems thinking to maximize capacity

[2:03:17] both financially and operationally.

[2:03:20] And then how can you take that systems

[2:03:22] thinking concept to then apply it to

[2:03:25] engagement in the in these other pieces?

[2:03:28] Because you're right, I think daily

[2:03:30] we're okay, we need to do this and six

[2:03:34] things touch it. How do we connect the

[2:03:35] six things to pull into the one? And I

[2:03:38] think we could probably incorporate that

[2:03:41] into that capacity conversation because

[2:03:45] that's how you gain capacity is by

[2:03:47] utilizing systems thinking to free up

[2:03:50] capacity in different areas. And so I

[2:03:52] could do that as part of my piece

[2:03:55] >> if that's what council wants.

[2:03:57] » if that's what council wants.

[2:03:57] >> No, I like that. Mayor, here's what I've

[2:03:59] » No, I like that. Mayor, here's what I've

[2:03:59] got kind of as an outline in my head

[2:04:00] right now. So, I heard

[2:04:03] >> um you know a segment around learning

[2:04:04] » um you know a segment around learning

[2:04:04] about each other's styles and

[2:04:06] backgrounds in order to be more

[2:04:07] efficient and effective as a board um

[2:04:09] and and to be able to make sure that

[2:04:11] this that this council leaves the mark

[2:04:14] that you intend to. Um and so maybe

[2:04:16] that's the first part of it. And then

[2:04:18] moving into that capacity federal

[2:04:21] funding, what what are we doing now?

[2:04:24] will provide kind of a deeper background

[2:04:26] on on what has been done so far so that

[2:04:29] you have that in your packets ahead of

[2:04:31] time and then Harold can talk about that

[2:04:33] capacity, that federal funding piece,

[2:04:34] the grants and kind of see where that

[2:04:36] looks like. Um, and then turn that to

[2:04:40] the conversation around council

[2:04:41] priorities now that you've heard the

[2:04:43] capacity side of it and you're all, you

[2:04:45] know, ready to work with each other in

[2:04:47] an excellent way. um how do you then

[2:04:49] determine what this council's priorities

[2:04:51] are going to be and what does that look

[2:04:52] like for 202 um six and and through 2030

[2:04:56] really for this team um and then morph

[2:05:00] that into okay now how do we connect

[2:05:02] with the community on these topics on

[2:05:04] other things like what are the

[2:05:06] connections that we need to be making um

[2:05:08] if we do those things let's have a

[2:05:10] little info session where council is

[2:05:12] teaching each other what they learned at

[2:05:14] NLC [laughter]

[2:05:14] >> okay yeah

[2:05:16] » okay yeah

[2:05:16] >> and then in that case we would move

[2:05:17] » and then in that case we would move

[2:05:17] Sundance and the and the resiliency

[2:05:19] conversations to to study sessions if

[2:05:21] that's all right. Um if that's if that's

[2:05:23] okay with everybody still still talk

[2:05:25] about it but do it during that piece. Um

[2:05:27] and then the NL the NCL training is part

[2:05:29] of that team building the effectiveness

[2:05:31] of bodies and things like that. So,

[2:05:33] >> okay.

[2:05:34] » okay.

[2:05:34] >> Um, let me just double checking to make

[2:05:36] » Um, let me just double checking to make

[2:05:36] sure I've got this all

[2:05:39] >> in. And

[2:05:40] » in. And

[2:05:40] >> yeah,

[2:05:41] » yeah,

[2:05:41] >> if I can add one thing that may become a

[2:05:43] » if I can add one thing that may become a

[2:05:43] topic of conversation

[2:05:46] and reading the Colorado Municipal

[2:05:48] League magazine about the upcoming

[2:05:51] legislation and legislative session is

[2:05:55] in study sessions or some point. We may

[2:05:58] need some time to talk to you all

[2:05:59] because this could be

[2:06:01] >> a year where there are a lot of battles

[2:06:03] » a year where there are a lot of battles

[2:06:03] in terms of home roll.

[2:06:05] >> Um, it's really starting to to show

[2:06:08] » Um, it's really starting to to show

[2:06:08] itself that that's going to be front and

[2:06:09] center

[2:06:11] >> um in terms of legislation that we're

[2:06:13] » um in terms of legislation that we're

[2:06:13] hearing is going to drop. So, we may

[2:06:17] need some space in a study session or

[2:06:20] potentially even in a retreat to where

[2:06:23] we have some space to maybe talk about

[2:06:25] that because our guts telling us when it

[2:06:28] hits, it's going to hit. And who's the

[2:06:31] CML? You're the CML pol who's the CML

[2:06:34] policy committ.

[2:06:35] >> You're the CML.

[2:06:37] » You're the CML.

[2:06:37] >> It's all on you.

[2:06:37] » It's all on you.

[2:06:37] >> We're in it together.

[2:06:38] » We're in it together.

[2:06:38] >> It's it's just we're we're all starting

[2:06:40] » It's it's just we're we're all starting

[2:06:40] to see it. Um, and cities are getting

[2:06:43] pretty concerned about what this means.

[2:06:45] So,

[2:06:46] >> if we can kind of hold some space,

[2:06:48] » if we can kind of hold some space,

[2:06:48] >> okay,

[2:06:48] » okay,

[2:06:48] >> because by the time we get to the

[2:06:50] » because by the time we get to the

[2:06:50] retreat, we're going to start seeing

[2:06:51] what's coming out.

[2:06:52] >> Got it. Probably two weeks we'll be

[2:06:54] » Got it. Probably two weeks we'll be

[2:06:54] starting another.

[2:06:56] [laughter]

[2:06:57] >> Yeah, probably. Well, no, I'm thinking

[2:07:00] » Yeah, probably. Well, no, I'm thinking

[2:07:00] [snorts] two weeks we're going to see

[2:07:01] the first

[2:07:02] >> we can 200 bills dropped. [laughter]

[2:07:03] » we can 200 bills dropped. [laughter]

[2:07:03] That's right.

[2:07:04] >> Okay, good. I know you do. I know you

[2:07:06] » Okay, good. I know you do. I know you

[2:07:06] do. And pardon, mayor, we would also

[2:07:08] invite um folks from the LDDA to the

[2:07:10] retreat, visit Lmont and LDP as part of

[2:07:12] that. Um I I know you had mentioned

[2:07:14] involving youth council a little bit

[2:07:16] more. Would you be interested in

[2:07:17] inviting them on Saturday?

[2:07:19] >> Oo, maybe we can have a lunch with them.

[2:07:23] » Oo, maybe we can have a lunch with them.

[2:07:23] >> Let's do that. Let's just squeeze it in

[2:07:24] » Let's do that. Let's just squeeze it in

[2:07:24] wherever.

[2:07:25] >> They're they're interested. That's a

[2:07:27] » They're they're interested. That's a

[2:07:27] good one.

[2:07:27] >> They're interested in being part of the

[2:07:28] » They're interested in being part of the

[2:07:28] conversation.

[2:07:28] >> Oh, wonderful. So, if we could have one

[2:07:30] » Oh, wonderful. So, if we could have one

[2:07:30] of those lunches be a um a round table

[2:07:33] lunch with youth council,

[2:07:34] >> probably Saturday since there wouldn't

[2:07:35] » probably Saturday since there wouldn't

[2:07:35] be school.

[2:07:36] >> That's right. Yes, that is true.

[2:07:38] » That's right. Yes, that is true.

[2:07:38] Although they'd appreciate Friday.

[2:07:40] >> I think they would I think they would

[2:07:41] » I think they would I think they would

[2:07:41] love Friday. Yes. [laughter] So, I will

[2:07:44] mention

[2:07:45] >> Saturday. Yeah.

[2:07:46] » Saturday. Yeah.

[2:07:46] >> Yeah.

[2:07:47] » Yeah.

[2:07:47] >> So, a seus a segment in your retreat

[2:07:50] » So, a seus a segment in your retreat

[2:07:50] about learning about each other, working

[2:07:51] with each other, spending some time with

[2:07:53] each other. A segment in your retreat

[2:07:55] about um priority priorities and what

[2:07:57] this looks like for you all. and and

[2:07:59] kind of a level setting on what the uh

[2:08:01] playing field looks like today from

[2:08:03] Harold's position with respect to

[2:08:04] capacity and federal funding and you

[2:08:06] know kind of here's the here's the world

[2:08:08] we live in today how do these priorities

[2:08:10] now match for this particular council um

[2:08:12] and then turn that into then the

[2:08:14] community engagement

[2:08:16] um commu connecting the how do we

[2:08:18] connect community that seem like nice

[2:08:20] kind of four chunks where we'll I'll

[2:08:22] slide in some of these other pieces

[2:08:24] >> yes yeah no that's that sounds good I'm

[2:08:26] » yes yeah no that's that sounds good I'm

[2:08:26] going to go ahead and Um, Council Member

[2:08:29] Popkin, you had your mic on.

[2:08:30] >> Yeah. One last thing to add into the

[2:08:32] » Yeah. One last thing to add into the

[2:08:32] systems discussion. I think it relates

[2:08:33] very closely and it builds on something

[2:08:35] that Mayor Harder and I were talking

[2:08:37] about in the last council on how we

[2:08:39] align our rates with our policy

[2:08:41] objectives. And so I think making sure

[2:08:44] we can have that kind of substantive

[2:08:45] discussion there I think would

[2:08:47] complement a lot of what council uh

[2:08:49] member priz was suggesting some of the

[2:08:51] conversations Harold you and I have had

[2:08:52] and building on our our sol our our

[2:08:56] waste management our electricity rates

[2:08:59] our um transport um particular uh

[2:09:02] airport fees like how how fees and rates

[2:09:06] align with our policy priorities. So,

[2:09:08] just wanted to introduce that in

[2:09:09] whatever way that fuses with

[2:09:11] >> that conversation.

[2:09:17] » Okay,

[2:09:19] >> Council Member Marcy.

[2:09:20] » Council Member Marcy.

[2:09:20] >> Thank you, Mayor. Very quickly, this has

[2:09:22] » Thank you, Mayor. Very quickly, this has

[2:09:22] been a great conversation. I hope you

[2:09:23] have what you need, Sandy. The only the

[2:09:24] only thing I guess I I haven't heard a

[2:09:26] lot of discussion about and maybe I

[2:09:28] missed it at some point is maybe folded

[2:09:30] into that conversation about how we work

[2:09:32] as individuals and how we work together

[2:09:34] some of the logistics of that cuz I

[2:09:36] think we've had some discussion up here

[2:09:38] about preessions about what that all

[2:09:40] looks like about you know how we

[2:09:43] actually logistically navigate that and

[2:09:45] I I think and mayor this is kind of a

[2:09:47] you question is is you know time in the

[2:09:50] retreat for us to say okay this is how

[2:09:52] we want to kind of use those spaces or

[2:09:54] give you feedback or however you would

[2:09:57] want to navigate that cuz I was looking

[2:09:58] at my list and that's the only thing I

[2:09:59] think we we didn't hit is like how do we

[2:10:01] navigate

[2:10:03] presessions work sessions so that we

[2:10:04] have more as council member Pockin

[2:10:07] mentioned earlier of those opportunities

[2:10:08] to discuss things a little more freely

[2:10:11] work together kind of conversations

[2:10:14] >> we could certainly fold those into that

[2:10:16] » we could certainly fold those into that

[2:10:16] efficiency and effectiveness

[2:10:17] conversation there's just keep in mind

[2:10:19] terminology wise there's two kinds of

[2:10:21] precessions um there's the precession s

[2:10:23] that mayor Pek had requested

[2:10:25] [clears throat]

[2:10:26] which happened regularly and the idea

[2:10:27] was to update each other on boards and

[2:10:29] commissions but other business was also

[2:10:31] conducted and then there's presessions

[2:10:33] that the council directs us to bring

[2:10:34] that is a deeper dive and open free

[2:10:36] conversation about a discussion like

[2:10:39] >> uh vision zero came as a preession so

[2:10:41] » uh vision zero came as a preession so

[2:10:41] there are two different pieces housing

[2:10:43] yeah there's there's kind of two

[2:10:44] different ways to look at precession so

[2:10:46] it might be great to clarify

[2:10:48] >> yeah [laughter]

[2:10:50] » yeah [laughter]

[2:10:50] >> yeah no and then that would give me the

[2:10:53] » yeah no and then that would give me the

[2:10:53] opportunity to kind of throw back out.

[2:10:55] >> I, you know, I I liked the spirit of the

[2:10:59] » I, you know, I I liked the spirit of the

[2:10:59] presession where we updated, but then it

[2:11:02] just felt very mechanical and inorganic

[2:11:05] and it it wasn't as helpful as I think

[2:11:07] it could have been. And I'm still trying

[2:11:11] to fe you know, and maybe this is a good

[2:11:14] opportunity to discuss how do we want

[2:11:16] those to to look in the future. Um the

[2:11:19] one thing I am not hearing is the

[2:11:21] discussion about boards and commissions

[2:11:23] and also around the liaison. So I'm

[2:11:25] assuming that would be a separate

[2:11:27] precession. Is that

[2:11:28] >> and so I am that's what I was going to

[2:11:29] » and so I am that's what I was going to

[2:11:29] ask. So the rule 27 piece where the

[2:11:34] board appointments that that could be

[2:11:36] something that is in a study session. It

[2:11:40] it's very black and white. It's

[2:11:42] addressing this particular piece in our

[2:11:43] rules of procedure. um our liaison.

[2:11:48] Um I'm almost and I I didn't think did

[2:11:52] we add I don't think we added that to

[2:11:54] our council retreat.

[2:11:56] >> I believe that was previous discussion.

[2:11:58] » I believe that was previous discussion.

[2:11:58] >> That was a previous discussion.

[2:11:59] » That was a previous discussion.

[2:11:59] >> That was previous direction.

[2:12:01] » That was previous direction.

[2:12:01] >> Yeah. I don't know. I'm going to throw

[2:12:03] » Yeah. I don't know. I'm going to throw

[2:12:03] that out.

[2:12:03] >> I just wanted to make sure because it's

[2:12:04] » I just wanted to make sure because it's

[2:12:04] currently the the agenda that I would

[2:12:06] bring back to you does not include that

[2:12:08] segment. Would that would be separated,

[2:12:10] but I just wanted to clarify that.

[2:12:11] >> Okay. I would like to know what what

[2:12:13] » Okay. I would like to know what what

[2:12:13] other council people feel council

[2:12:16] council people

[2:12:16] >> because it could council members feel

[2:12:19] » because it could council members feel

[2:12:19] feel about yeah if we want

[2:12:21] >> want to add this on

[2:12:24] » want to add this on

[2:12:24] >> or or add a separate

[2:12:28] » or or add a separate

[2:12:28] >> sorry Don do you need to jump in there

[2:12:29] » sorry Don do you need to jump in there

[2:12:29] >> I was clarifying the yes

[2:12:31] » I was clarifying the yes

[2:12:31] [snorts and clears throat]

[2:12:31] >> the question is to discuss the your role

[2:12:33] » the question is to discuss the your role

[2:12:34] as liaison to the boards

[2:12:36] >> that's what I was

[2:12:36] » that's what I was

[2:12:36] >> philosophical discussion

[2:12:38] » philosophical discussion

[2:12:38] >> yes

[2:12:38] » yes

[2:12:38] >> which is different than your rule of

[2:12:40] » which is different than your rule of

[2:12:40] procedure

[2:12:41] >> yes and So that's two different topics.

[2:12:44] » yes and So that's two different topics.

[2:12:44] >> Two different things. Yes. But I do

[2:12:45] » Two different things. Yes. But I do

[2:12:46] believe that at least one suggestion was

[2:12:48] to discuss both of those at some point.

[2:12:51] >> So I think council wants to discuss both

[2:12:52] » So I think council wants to discuss both

[2:12:52] of them. Do you want to do it together?

[2:12:54] Do you want to do it through two

[2:12:55] separate things? How do you

[2:12:56] >> the rule rule um changing to the rule 27

[2:12:59] » the rule rule um changing to the rule 27

[2:12:59] is more I I I feel it's good about um

[2:13:03] having that on a separate agenda item

[2:13:06] >> and we have that direction that

[2:13:07] » and we have that direction that

[2:13:08] direction. So we're good with that

[2:13:09] today. So the liaison I'm going to throw

[2:13:10] this out to council the liaison and

[2:13:14] um oh how how we proceed with our

[2:13:16] appointments. So how we all as council

[2:13:20] members pick our liaison is that I feel

[2:13:24] like that was one that we wanted to

[2:13:26] discuss as well if I recall correctly.

[2:13:29] Um

[2:13:31] >> might as well lightly

[2:13:32] » might as well lightly

[2:13:32] >> lightly lightly okay very very lightly.

[2:13:35] » lightly lightly okay very very lightly.

[2:13:35] Um just a sprinkle uh council member

[2:13:38] Christ. Yeah, [laughter]

[2:13:41] » thank you, mayor, and thank you,

[2:13:42] councelor Pelicanin, for that nice segue

[2:13:44] because I want to make a final plea for

[2:13:46] some restorative time. Um, relaxed time

[2:13:50] and time with nature. And if we could

[2:13:53] maybe use a round table instead of long

[2:13:55] tables, it some about where we were last

[2:13:59] time felt like a typing pool, honestly.

[2:14:02] And and I just, you know, it raises a

[2:14:05] stress level. You can't be very creative

[2:14:07] in that scenario and would like it to be

[2:14:09] more relaxed for the public too.

[2:14:11] >> Okay.

[2:14:12] » Okay.

[2:14:12] >> Okay. Um I thought you were going to

[2:14:14] » Okay. Um I thought you were going to

[2:14:14] suggest a ma a massage therapist and a

[2:14:17] chair but [laughter]

[2:14:20] >> and it was really useful.

[2:14:22] » and it was really useful.

[2:14:22] >> Sorry. Now now I'm getting a little

[2:14:23] » Sorry. Now now I'm getting a little

[2:14:24] silly here. Um council member um

[2:14:26] Marcine.

[2:14:27] >> Thank you mayor. I wanted to comment

[2:14:28] » Thank you mayor. I wanted to comment

[2:14:28] specifically on your question cuz what

[2:14:30] I'm hearing is

[2:14:32] is kind of a it almost is a natural like

[2:14:35] council workflow section after we talk

[2:14:38] about how we work as individuals how and

[2:14:41] then how do we want to work with each

[2:14:42] other and we logistically hit on

[2:14:44] preessions the liaison role that kind of

[2:14:47] all fits in naturally before we dive

[2:14:49] into you know the policy work

[2:14:52] conversations. I think we have we figure

[2:14:54] out those logistics and then work from

[2:14:56] there rather than like a separate

[2:14:58] conversation. So I I I do see all that

[2:15:01] kind of fitting into one at the retreat

[2:15:02] cuz I I'm viewing this retreat as how do

[2:15:05] we do this work together over the next

[2:15:07] two years and not necessarily although

[2:15:10] like I said we can all list issues we

[2:15:12] want to talk about like if we all I

[2:15:13] think want to talk about airport I want

[2:15:14] to talk about early childhood ed

[2:15:15] everybody knows that but I think we need

[2:15:17] to figure out how we work together both

[2:15:19] functionally and philosophically.

[2:15:22] I like that.

[2:15:23] >> Okay. So, we'll we'll talk about the

[2:15:24] » Okay. So, we'll we'll talk about the

[2:15:24] board liaison, the philosophical

[2:15:26] conversation about board liaison roles

[2:15:28] at the retreat.

[2:15:28] >> At the retreat and then the more

[2:15:30] » At the retreat and then the more

[2:15:30] specific

[2:15:32] >> um council rules and procedures around

[2:15:35] » um council rules and procedures around

[2:15:36] board appointments you want to do during

[2:15:38] a public session. Yes. Yes.

[2:15:40] >> Okay.

[2:15:41] » Okay.

[2:15:41] >> That I think they have to because that

[2:15:43] » That I think they have to because that

[2:15:43] will lead to direction and voting which

[2:15:45] I think does fit better in

[2:15:47] >> in the meeting. Yeah. The motion said

[2:15:50] » in the meeting. Yeah. The motion said

[2:15:50] February 3rd.

[2:15:51] >> Okay. Yes. The motion was specific. Very

[2:15:53] » Okay. Yes. The motion was specific. Very

[2:15:53] specific. [laughter]

[2:15:54] >> I like that. Yes, we need that.

[2:15:55] » I like that. Yes, we need that.

[2:15:56] >> Specific.

[2:15:56] » Specific.

[2:15:56] >> Yeah. Very good.

[2:15:57] » Yeah. Very good.

[2:15:58] >> Okay. So, do you feel like you've have

[2:16:01] » Okay. So, do you feel like you've have

[2:16:01] something well laid out and then the

[2:16:04] rest of council, you're not going to

[2:16:06] leave here today saying she didn't let

[2:16:09] me answer that, get this out. Okay.

[2:16:11] >> So, Mayor Huggle Fairing, I will bring

[2:16:13] » So, Mayor Huggle Fairing, I will bring

[2:16:13] back a draft retreat. This is not the

[2:16:15] end of the conversation. So, approve

[2:16:16] that and just make sure that I've

[2:16:18] actually hit it. uh last conversation.

[2:16:20] Did you want an outside facilitator or

[2:16:21] did you want an inside facilitator? My

[2:16:24] feelings won't be hurt either way, just

[2:16:25] so

[2:16:25] >> Okay. I mean, I think for some parts it

[2:16:28] » Okay. I mean, I think for some parts it

[2:16:28] might be better to have an outside

[2:16:30] facilitator. I mean, when we're getting

[2:16:32] updates from Harold, we don't need an

[2:16:34] outside person to kind of lead that that

[2:16:36] piece. Um I don't where where do we

[2:16:39] feel? Um you know what? I'm going to

[2:16:42] just kind of work my way start over here

[2:16:44] two and then three and move my way down.

[2:16:48] Um, go ahead, Council Member Popkin.

[2:16:52] >> Super quick. I I tend to lean towards an

[2:16:54] » Super quick. I I tend to lean towards an

[2:16:54] outside facilitator, especially when

[2:16:56] there are just diff like different

[2:16:57] workplace dynamics involved and power

[2:16:59] dynamics involved. Um, because I'd also

[2:17:02] want, frankly, you and Harold and other

[2:17:05] staff and city managers to like

[2:17:07] participate in some of the conversation

[2:17:09] too. Yes, it's council's retreat, but

[2:17:11] you know, everything that we do is

[2:17:13] depend is like it's it's an ecosystem

[2:17:15] here. And so so that would be my bias

[2:17:18] there.

[2:17:19] >> Okay. Thank you,

[2:17:23] » Okay. Thank you,

[2:17:23] Council Member Prito.

[2:17:24] >> I second. Council member Popkin.

[2:17:28] » I second. Council member Popkin.

[2:17:28] >> Okay.

[2:17:31] » Mayor Prom McCoy.

[2:17:32] >> Thank you, Mayor. I think an outside um

[2:17:36] » Thank you, Mayor. I think an outside um

[2:17:36] person is is always good. Uh although I

[2:17:38] have to commend uh Sandy for always

[2:17:40] being such a champ. So

[2:17:43] >> I'm gonna give a shout out to her.

[2:17:45] » I'm gonna give a shout out to her.

[2:17:45] Thank you.

[2:17:46] >> Okay. Um, Council Member Christ

[2:17:52] outside

[2:17:54] and would and I I will also say that I

[2:17:58] would like you as staff to be there, but

[2:18:01] to also have a relaxed, restorative, and

[2:18:04] creative opportunity, which I don't

[2:18:07] think you I don't see you ever getting.

[2:18:10] Maybe it happens, but I don't see it

[2:18:12] ever happening.

[2:18:13] >> Okay. So, you have to be there and get a

[2:18:16] » Okay. So, you have to be there and get a

[2:18:16] massage chair.

[2:18:17] >> Yes. [laughter]

[2:18:18] » Yes. [laughter]

[2:18:18] >> Yeah.

[2:18:19] » Yeah.

[2:18:19] >> Okay. Um, Council Member Marcy,

[2:18:21] » Okay. Um, Council Member Marcy,

[2:18:21] >> thank you, Mayor. I'm going to say

[2:18:22] » thank you, Mayor. I'm going to say

[2:18:22] outside as well, specifically thinking

[2:18:24] about that leadership portion we talked

[2:18:26] about, I think it's beneficial

[2:18:27] potentially for staff as well to learn

[2:18:29] how we think and operate without having

[2:18:31] to worry about like leading that

[2:18:33] discussion. Um, the less like my whole

[2:18:35] vibe is the less work staff does to

[2:18:37] prepare for this retreat, the happier I

[2:18:39] individually will be. And the more work

[2:18:41] we do to get ready, the the the better

[2:18:43] that is in my mind. Yeah. So that I

[2:18:45] would say out there.

[2:18:45] >> I agree. Yes. Thank you.

[2:18:47] » I agree. Yes. Thank you.

[2:18:47] >> Okay.

[2:18:47] » Okay.

[2:18:47] >> Um Council Member Kulkuffer.

[2:18:50] » Um Council Member Kulkuffer.

[2:18:50] >> Thank you, Mayor. I'm not going to

[2:18:52] » Thank you, Mayor. I'm not going to

[2:18:52] change what everybody else said. I think

[2:18:53] that's a good idea. External. Um I do

[2:18:55] have a massage chair, so if you want me

[2:18:56] to bring it,

[2:18:58] >> I can just load it in the back of my car

[2:18:59] » I can just load it in the back of my car

[2:18:59] and that we can borrow it for the the

[2:19:02] couple days.

[2:19:02] >> Yes, [laughter] please.

[2:19:03] » Yes, [laughter] please.

[2:19:03] >> But I think it'd be good for you all to

[2:19:05] » But I think it'd be good for you all to

[2:19:05] >> my lady. Sorry to make everybody

[2:19:07] » my lady. Sorry to make everybody

[2:19:07] excited. I would like you all to

[2:19:09] participate in a way that is uh easier

[2:19:11] for you to participate.

[2:19:13] >> Okay.

[2:19:14] » Okay.

[2:19:14] >> I I just mentioned to Sandy one one

[2:19:16] » I I just mentioned to Sandy one one

[2:19:16] person I may talk to just because I've

[2:19:18] been on the fac the he facilitated the

[2:19:22] RTD accountability committee. Um and

[2:19:26] just going through that conversation. He

[2:19:29] may be somebody I talked to because that

[2:19:31] was as delicate and as controversial as

[2:19:37] anything I've ever been in. Surprise.

[2:19:40] And he he did a really good job of

[2:19:43] keeping us on task and keeping us

[2:19:45] focused. And so if it's okay that may be

[2:19:48] somebody I reach out to just to see. Um

[2:19:52] I was

[2:19:54] it was astonishing we got through what

[2:19:55] we got through

[2:19:56] >> and the time frame we got through it.

[2:19:58] » and the time frame we got through it.

[2:19:58] >> Very good. Okay. I trust you. Thank you.

[2:20:02] » Very good. Okay. I trust you. Thank you.

[2:20:02] >> Um yeah. No, the council has spoken. So

[2:20:05] » Um yeah. No, the council has spoken. So

[2:20:05] [laughter]

[2:20:06] thank you everyone. Uh thank you.

[2:20:12] » Okay. So we are now at final call.

[2:20:17] Public invited to be heard.

[2:20:20] Is there anyone in the audience who

[2:20:22] wishes to speak?

[2:20:24] >> Come on down. [laughter]

[2:20:26] » Come on down. [laughter]

[2:20:26] >> I apologize. I didn't quite catch all of

[2:20:28] » I apologize. I didn't quite catch all of

[2:20:28] Harold's comments, but I just wanted to

[2:20:30] share that in my experience, the EQ

[2:20:32] analysis, it's a personal analysis that

[2:20:35] there's a higher correlation to your

[2:20:37] emotional

[2:20:38] >> Can you raise your mic? Yes. And we'll

[2:20:39] » Can you raise your mic? Yes. And we'll

[2:20:39] go ahead and remind me your name again.

[2:20:42] >> Paul St. Sundance Drive.

[2:20:44] » Paul St. Sundance Drive.

[2:20:44] >> So there's there's a higher correlation

[2:20:46] » So there's there's a higher correlation

[2:20:46] to your emotional quotient than your

[2:20:48] intellectual quotient. So an EQ analysis

[2:20:50] as opposed to a IQ analysis is a quite

[2:20:53] you probably some of you have done it

[2:20:54] I'm sure it's quite revealing exercise

[2:20:57] and you can do simple prep ahead of time

[2:20:59] doesn't take a lot of work but the

[2:21:00] results are have a good correlation to

[2:21:02] the real world and you can share them

[2:21:03] with each other and the other one is

[2:21:05] something called the disc analysis which

[2:21:06] is a slightly more in-depth version you

[2:21:07] may come across I found both of those to

[2:21:10] be pretty proficient in that

[2:21:11] >> and then balancing my time my earlier

[2:21:13] » and then balancing my time my earlier

[2:21:13] point was on the profitability of the

[2:21:15] golf course what I wanted to say was it

[2:21:17] feels to me that the incentives on the

[2:21:19] management are over aligned to

[2:21:20] profitability and maybe a dimension of

[2:21:23] customer service or something like that

[2:21:25] or quality of service would balance that

[2:21:27] if that's behind the scenes what's

[2:21:29] driving some of this uh uh perceived

[2:21:31] cheapness on my part. Thank you. And who

[2:21:34] who do I give the exhibits to? I'd like

[2:21:35] you to see the uh like to see the

[2:21:38] >> Yeah. Oh,

[2:21:39] » Yeah. Oh,

[2:21:39] >> that's the that's the ball dumping.

[2:21:41] » that's the that's the ball dumping.

[2:21:41] That's the new ones installed at Twin

[2:21:43] Peaks, but they're removed at Ute. And

[2:21:45] that's the email correspondence. And uh

[2:21:48] Jeff Friezner said he's going to call me

[2:21:49] tomorrow anyway, so you won't have to

[2:21:51] take any action.

[2:21:51] >> I was um emailing Jeff.

[2:21:53] » I was um emailing Jeff.

[2:21:53] >> Yeah, he he caught me outside.

[2:21:55] » Yeah, he he caught me outside.

[2:21:55] >> Great. Thank you very much. Good. I'm

[2:21:57] » Great. Thank you very much. Good. I'm

[2:21:57] glad. Okay. Anyone else? Come on down.

[2:22:01] >> Greetings. Hi. New member.

[2:22:04] » Greetings. Hi. New member.

[2:22:04] >> Yeah.

[2:22:04] » Yeah.

[2:22:04] >> Love it.

[2:22:05] » Love it.

[2:22:05] >> So, who are you?

[2:22:06] » So, who are you?

[2:22:06] >> Uh Paul Tiger. I live in Longmont. Uh

[2:22:09] » Uh Paul Tiger. I live in Longmont. Uh

[2:22:09] so, um I'm coming to remind you again

[2:22:11] about what's going on in the dark hole.

[2:22:15] That is the front entrance. I I have

[2:22:17] engaged other people here. Um I

[2:22:20] understand maybe there's some work

[2:22:21] orders. Uh but you know, they could be

[2:22:24] shoved aside and rearranged because the

[2:22:26] lighting is not that important. It's

[2:22:28] gone on for 20 years. I do fall here. I

[2:22:31] fall a lot now. I'll fall out there and

[2:22:33] sue you. I don't want to do that. Please

[2:22:36] um uh fix up the lighting. Not your But

[2:22:39] but you run the show, right? Okay.

[2:22:41] Lighting outside. Thank you so much.

[2:22:43] >> Great. Thank you.

[2:22:45] » Great. Thank you.

[2:22:45] Um, okay. So, we are now on to Oh, do

[2:22:48] come on down.

[2:22:50] Is there anyone else who wants to speak?

[2:22:53] Okay. So, Lance, come on down. Who are

[2:22:57] you?

[2:22:58] >> Lance Whitaker, 1750 Collier Street. I'd

[2:23:01] » Lance Whitaker, 1750 Collier Street. I'd

[2:23:01] just like to remind you really quickly

[2:23:02] that you guys are going to be talking

[2:23:04] about the Sundance. And uh don't forget

[2:23:07] that we're having a major traffic

[2:23:09] problem over on Ken Pratt and Hover. Um,

[2:23:14] while it's a great project, I would love

[2:23:17] to see it postponed for a couple months

[2:23:20] after Sundance, but that's probably not

[2:23:23] going to be able to happen. But anyhow,

[2:23:26] my concerns are about traffic problems

[2:23:28] that we're going to have and hopefully

[2:23:30] we can put a good face forward on that.

[2:23:32] Thank you.

[2:23:32] >> Very good. Thank you.

[2:23:34] » Very good. Thank you.

[2:23:34] >> Okay, now we're on to mayor and council

[2:23:37] » Okay, now we're on to mayor and council

[2:23:37] comments.

[2:23:40] Any comments? Okay. Okay. Um,

[2:23:44] Council Member Kuffer,

[2:23:47] >> I'd like to thank everybody on this uh

[2:23:49] » I'd like to thank everybody on this uh

[2:23:50] board. Thank you, Mayor. Um, this has

[2:23:52] been a true ride for me and I thank

[2:23:54] everybody who supported me through this

[2:23:55] journey. I am humbly proud to be here

[2:23:59] and I can't wait to serve next to each

[2:24:01] and every one of you. Um, and I can't

[2:24:03] wait to serve our constituents. So,

[2:24:05] thank you for having me. I'm really

[2:24:06] excited to be here.

[2:24:09] >> Okay, very good. Thank you for that. Um,

[2:24:12] » Okay, very good. Thank you for that. Um,

[2:24:12] you know, I just I want to thank you

[2:24:13] all. I mean, I was thinking about and

[2:24:16] kind of processing how did I want to go

[2:24:18] around our retreat or even our board

[2:24:21] appointments and just kind of thinking

[2:24:23] about and you know, I I appreciate and

[2:24:26] um really value everybody's um

[2:24:29] professionalism and and just really

[2:24:32] coming forward with the the best

[2:24:33] intentions and that is, you know, our

[2:24:35] serving our city. So, thank you all so

[2:24:36] much. I appreciate you. Um Oh, who's

[2:24:40] number seven? Oh, Council Member Marcy.

[2:24:42] >> Thank you, Mayor. I'll be very quick,

[2:24:43] » Thank you, Mayor. I'll be very quick,

[2:24:43] and this is more for public edification.

[2:24:45] Uh, mayor knows this, staff is familiar

[2:24:47] with this. Just in the event that I

[2:24:49] happen to miss a council meeting

[2:24:50] suddenly, either or council or an LHA

[2:24:53] meeting coming up, just for public

[2:24:54] edification. Um, I'm kind of on baby

[2:24:56] alert at the moment, we're expecting our

[2:24:58] our third kiddo, a daughter kind of any

[2:25:01] any day now. So, we're just in the event

[2:25:03] I don't show up one night that I just

[2:25:05] wanted the public and everybody to be

[2:25:07] aware, that's why. It's not that I'm

[2:25:08] ditching. I, you know, just wanted to

[2:25:10] make sure everybody was aware. So, thank

[2:25:12] you, K.

[2:25:12] >> Great. Thank you for that. Um, Council

[2:25:14] » Great. Thank you for that. Um, Council

[2:25:14] Member Prietto,

[2:25:16] >> just a comment to, uh, Councelor Koffer.

[2:25:19] » just a comment to, uh, Councelor Koffer.

[2:25:19] We're so happy to have you on council. I

[2:25:22] think, um,

[2:25:25] >> you bring such assets to the team um,

[2:25:29] » you bring such assets to the team um,

[2:25:29] and your expertise and transportation

[2:25:31] and beyond. And, and it's something that

[2:25:34] we really need. And so we're really

[2:25:36] happy to have you on council and we look

[2:25:38] forward to working with you.

[2:25:41] >> Yes, ditto. Thank you. Um, council

[2:25:44] » Yes, ditto. Thank you. Um, council

[2:25:44] member Popkin.

[2:25:46] >> Yeah, I don't have nearly as exciting

[2:25:47] » Yeah, I don't have nearly as exciting

[2:25:47] update as council member Mars, but um

[2:25:49] there will be a couple meeting

[2:25:50] [laughter] there will be a couple

[2:25:51] meetings uh this year that I know about

[2:25:54] that I'll have uh I'll ask for remote

[2:25:57] >> work uh work uh for attendance

[2:26:00] » work uh work uh for attendance

[2:26:00] privileges. So I'll bring that forward

[2:26:01] in a future meeting. I won't make a

[2:26:03] motion now, but I just want to give you

[2:26:04] guys a heads up on that.

[2:26:06] >> Great.

[2:26:06] » Great.

[2:26:06] >> Um, and I also just really appreciate

[2:26:07] » Um, and I also just really appreciate

[2:26:07] Council Member Chris's suggestion to

[2:26:09] consider alternative locations for our

[2:26:11] retreat. By the way, I happen to have a

[2:26:13] soft spot in my heart for Sundance. Uh,

[2:26:15] sorry, Sandstone Ranch. Um, Sandstone

[2:26:18] Ranch. We're not rebranding it. Don't

[2:26:19] worry, we don't have the permission to

[2:26:20] do that. Um, [laughter] and so I I

[2:26:22] appreciate just thinking out of the box

[2:26:24] on on where we gather together, too. So,

[2:26:26] thank you.

[2:26:27] >> Yes. Thank you for that. Okay. Uh, now

[2:26:30] » Yes. Thank you for that. Okay. Uh, now

[2:26:30] on to

[2:26:31] city manager remarks.

[2:26:35] » No comments. Mayor, councel.

[2:26:37] >> Nice. Yes. And city attorney remarks.

[2:26:40] » Nice. Yes. And city attorney remarks.

[2:26:40] >> No comments, mayor.

[2:26:41] » No comments, mayor.

[2:26:41] >> Okay. So, may I have a motion to

[2:26:43] » Okay. So, may I have a motion to

[2:26:43] adjurnn?

[2:26:44] >> Okay. Do we have a second?

[2:26:46] » Okay. Do we have a second?

[2:26:46] >> Okay. So, I have a motion um on the

[2:26:49] » Okay. So, I have a motion um on the

[2:26:49] table.

[2:26:51] >> Um I'm waiting for it to Yeah. Okay. Um

[2:26:54] » Um I'm waiting for it to Yeah. Okay. Um

[2:26:54] any discussion?

[2:26:55] >> Okay. All those in favor?

[2:26:58] » Okay. All those in favor?

[2:26:58] I okay opposed. Okay. So we are

[2:27:02] adjourned.

City Council Regular Session - 01/13/2026

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