[0:02] Welcome

[0:13] to the Monday, November 5th, the meeting of the Montpellier Design Review Committee. I will let staff and members introduce themselves.

[0:20] Hannah Smith, Meredith Krandell, staff.

[0:24] Steve and I've heard Eric Robertson,

[0:26] Seth Mitchell, Benjamin Cheney.

[0:29] And I think about it has anything else to offer ahead of time.

[0:32] Do I hear a motion to approve the agenda?

[0:34] I'll move it.

[0:35] Second.

[0:36] All in favor of the agenda, raise your hand.

[0:39] And we'll move straight to the first application

[0:42] for 100 state street continued.

[0:45] Come forward and show us what you've done

[0:49] And since we last met, I think one thing we should say is we're done at 7 o'clock.

[0:58] Because we're developing a few more meetings at 7 o'clock and they had a very large area.

[1:07] So we're going to try to move one.

[1:11] It was quickly as we can.

[1:13] Although it's quickly as I can, I'm going to give you these.

[1:17] I also have a stuff on the thumb right there.

[1:22] I have to ask if I can get it back.

[1:24] If you haven't made it so I can use it on the next board.

[1:27] Okay, we're having trouble with our credit.

[1:29] I have one more.

[1:30] Is everybody having?

[1:33] I'm going to show you.

[1:34] I'm going to show you.

[1:35] I'm going to show you.

[1:37] I'm going to show you.

[1:40] And I can't put the step up on the thumb drive.

[1:44] If you think it's important.

[1:49] Essentially we had two charges, I think coming out of this meeting, we wanted to talk about the railings.

[1:55] I don't know the detailing of those railings, and we spent a bunch of talking about wayfinding.

[2:03] And so this first plan you see our run on is the site plan with the wayfinding elements added, and they've been shown here by the front axis to the garage.

[2:18] Now, here by the secondary exit to the garage, there's one here at the beginning of this ramp up to the bike path.

[2:26] And then, is there a fourth one, George?

[2:30] Yeah, there's one on the boardwalk, and I did you talk with them right there.

[2:34] So, you'll see basically on the four corners of the building.

[2:38] So, the idea for these signs was to drive with the signage, a wave finding thing that is already undergoing a mock healer,

[2:45] and to provide a seating opportunity at this sign.

[2:50] So the next question by the, you guys.

[2:53] So the next page shows the elevation and plan

[2:56] of those those elements, which will happen to Jason

[2:59] to all the major accesses to the job.

[3:03] And the one thing we had to ask for was a view

[3:05] looking from state street back towards those entrances.

[3:08] Did you have something, we have the view from the top.

[3:12] states for that. We have a one looking or you're about three right on a time. We were in a time to take generate another image.

[3:23] I do have some updated images, but which

[3:30] is the use. You have people who are sorry.

[3:36] It has, as you saw it at all, about the issue of this.

[3:41] Let me start to design and these happen to the one picture of the entrance that's closest

[3:48] to the whole town in the alleyway.

[3:51] And the image that we had, I can't remember which one he showed me, aren't it?

[3:56] But it virtually doesn't even look like there's an entrance there.

[3:59] Because there's trees planted in front of it, or a pathway to it.

[4:03] Please find it in front of it and it just just square-homping between the buildings as far as I can count on.

[4:11] Do you have that image?

[4:12] I've got everything, so I've got it here somewhere.

[4:17] Yeah.

[4:22] I'm sorry.

[4:22] Can you point where you were pointing?

[4:24] Here's time to be right ahead of the top.

[4:26] To the right.

[4:27] To the garage after it.

[4:42] Well, we're looking at what I've been.

[4:44] Yes.

[4:45] It's the one right in front there.

[4:47] Yeah. This was the one we were running today, Greg.

[4:50] Okay. Okay.

[4:54] He started.

[4:58] There's no way you...

[5:00] The passageway through there, that was my issue. So I thought processes. How can we integrate this into the sign program that you are implementing citywide?

[5:12] If this were in that green space there, where it's proposed and you had this sticking up, that's what we interpreted as the way finding it.

[5:22] I thought that there are some more than a sign in the case of several times.

[5:29] It's more than a sign as you would be making a walk along the mean country than in the country.

[5:35] You go on to the river graphically or in some way.

[5:39] Well, this is what we had to offer.

[5:41] I'm sorry if I misunderstood your attention here.

[5:45] Again, rather than a lot of you with landscaping, the idea was to frame it with landscaping.

[5:52] So it drew you to it instead of hit the entrance.

[5:58] And what's that was your intention?

[6:00] Well, this rendering is a couple of generations old.

[6:02] I think a lot has changed, you know, I mean at this point

[6:05] the buildings were a lot closer together.

[6:08] So do you have in your thumb drive and the most recent rendering

[6:12] if you

[6:16] know, I don't think so, Eric.

[6:19] We generated so much 3D content for this job.

[6:22] but it's just, that's one I missed, I guess.

[6:24] But I don't, I don't have any different image

[6:27] than that, to offer you.

[6:34] Are you imagining, are they the equal weight

[6:37] the walk between the buildings or the sort of stuff?

[6:43] I think we, I personally, as it relates to our tech thought

[6:46] that the Haney law was going to be our sort of main path

[6:49] down there, as if we had open to this sign

[6:52] and then another one and another one around.

[6:54] I figured that was enough, we were trying to basically give wayfinding and seating opportunity to ask for.

[7:00] I don't,

[7:05] it's difficult to stick an arch or something on a building.

[7:11] And I guess I would agree that it feels to me like, through the heating a lot,

[7:15] is the main access to it, or ever, more so.

[7:18] I think between the hotel and the part of the rush.

[7:21] The landscaping in front of it is part of the hotel.

[7:25] I don't know.

[7:27] I think we also talked about building about it's side-ish on that.

[7:31] all the corners and sort of announce that entrance as a possibility.

[7:35] But we put the seating thing there right in that location thinking that would cover for that.

[7:40] I mean, that would work right now.

[7:41] You know, bring people to think what we want to do.

[7:45] Priester.

[7:46] Look out of place or did your other signage?

[7:49] I mean, I.

[7:51] Well, you know, I guess we're stuck.

[7:54] Because we interpreted this as sort of how do we integrate this into the broader pattern of what's

[8:01] happening around city to make it make sense.

[8:03] And so we took that direction, which, you know, had specific recommendations for certain kinds

[8:09] of things.

[8:09] The only thing we did was, in this particular case, as we had the seating element, which

[8:15] has seating elements that were already proposed for the boardwalk, or it's not back.

[8:21] I think we've talked about that.

[8:22] We're open to any kind of art in that alleyway or anything that could make it to you more

[8:27] We definitely see the secondary route, but felt that the way of finding would be enough

[8:33] and that seating opportunity would be a sort of an out-to-draw your eye to it, especially

[8:37] from the hotel exit, the entrance.

[8:41] This may be out of your purview, but is there a way to find the sign that's out on State Street?

[8:50] We're not sure exactly the location of all this is just basically a framework within that.

[8:55] But there is, there's the tourist information key outside the other end of the parking

[9:00] of the island.

[9:02] I can't imagine there can't be a way of finding signs on the state stream.

[9:06] Especially right by that information.

[9:09] I think one of the things that's shown up about this is it blocks access to the river.

[9:18] I don't necessarily believe that, but that's what people are commenting on, to me,

[9:25] those personally and putters to the paper and one of the letters we got in our

[9:31] packet last time, and what I was really trying to do is open up, so that you could

[9:38] just really clear when you're going to the river and when you're going to the river

[9:43] it down. I don't know if you're on a bike path.

[9:48] I still feel that what James is

[9:51] proposing is right and keeping with that. It's just it's out in the landscape.

[9:56] It's not a building mountain feature, but we...

[10:00] No, we took it on ourselves to sort of look at what else you were doing and I said we should be part of that.

[10:07] I think integrating in into your master plan of science seems like the right thing to do rather than creating some kind of a unique situation just at this area.

[10:16] I mean, I think.

[10:18] The garage itself has about 30 feet of river frontage.

[10:23] It's really one tailor street. It's got most of the river frontage and the conference park on the other side of the railroad tracks.

[10:29] What's access to the bike path?

[10:31] That's not just that much.

[10:32] There was a shout of access to the bike path and I think the deck is really a good idea

[10:36] because that gives people a sit there and look at the view of the river, but it's getting people

[10:45] knowing walking down the state streets that there are two paths to the river here, and that's where I am.

[10:55] But I'll shut up.

[10:57] Well, I'm not saying that. I don't think you should do it like that.

[11:00] We took a stab at it and I guess we stabbed wrong.

[11:04] We were probably the only having a week to come back to you.

[11:06] We would have a time to read.

[11:07] Just to position landscaping so that it draws you to it rather by heights.

[11:14] Yeah.

[11:15] The landscape may not be representative, but the actor heights it.

[11:19] Well, and again, the idea is to have a, if you're on stage between you.

[11:24] want to go in that direction, the idea is to have it draw you to it and not hide it

[11:30] again.

[11:31] I just feel like that is very much a secondary way of getting down there.

[11:36] The idea is to bring people down stage treat to this tourist informational location and see

[11:41] that sign.

[11:42] That was directed to the sign that's only right within I shot down the hanging lane.

[11:46] That's the only way bikes will be going for the most part.

[11:50] We just felt that was enough and the idea was to create these little points rather

[11:53] than some arch that was not in keeping with the signage program, because we're not looking

[11:59] for an arch, just plantings so that it draws you.

[12:04] What we tried to do was frame this teeny ramp with the amount of area that we have left to

[12:09] make it inviting. We have a sign and a seating opportunity right at the base of that ramp.

[12:17] The more piece corner of the garage we have, another sign,

[12:21] Okay, nice shot, visible from stage street.

[12:25] I don't, I don't, not necessarily believe in the signs that don't feel like there is

[12:30] the solution to the city much better, but I do think it's going to build a large building,

[12:36] creating in the landscape and the architecture of something that doesn't necessarily need

[12:40] the signs and encourages and feels bad.

[12:44] That's what it's saying.

[12:44] Hey, I want to go down there.

[12:46] There's a reason to go down there beyond these little signs.

[12:48] Can I? I understood, but I'm proud of that.

[12:51] I've got the hotel.

[12:54] The unskilled recycling, which was a part of this.

[12:58] And it might be even something as simple as shifting the soup rack.

[13:03] Ooh, sorry.

[13:04] That is right here that is sort of in the line,

[13:08] which I think is what people are seeing in this.

[13:11] Oh, that one.

[13:12] Yeah, that's one.

[13:13] Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[13:14] You're so familiar.

[13:14] Yeah, smaller, so if you want to pass that around so they can see what I'm looking at

[13:22] Because that would get rid of this tree or make it closer so it's more shrubbery

[13:25] And I'm not trying to make sure that, I know that's in this application that's kind of a new piece of evidence

[13:31] But again, it's a line of sight and it acts like that

[13:35] Right, so this should be open and it should be a little walk straight through

[13:38] So this is gone and instead you have something maybe where she behind that seat and sign.

[13:45] Right.

[13:46] That's not really my job.

[13:48] I think we were talking about this application.

[13:54] I think that makes complete sense.

[13:55] And I know it's outside, but in the DRB stage we are changes to the hotel site to the garage,

[14:03] where the impact...

[14:04] I'm trying to tell them also where they impact the hotel site plan and make those

[14:08] adjustments if that seems to register right with you guys as I

[14:12] something to throw in for a recommendation because you are allowed to make

[14:16] recommendations for landscaping under 24 VSA 44 13 even though this is a

[14:21] public project. Yeah, I think that's absolutely great idea. The likelihood of

[14:28] being able to see through the building is depicted in this rendering is unlikely

[14:32] correct. Right, so this is fast and older generation of

[14:35] So now you've got the screening.

[14:37] Well, you've got those scrims that we talked about at the last meeting.

[14:40] And again, the way the landscaping and the curbing enhances the entrance to the garage.

[14:47] It should be open in the same way to access the path between them.

[14:52] Because I mean, this one, you don't even really see a sidewalk.

[14:54] But I think if you look at this, there's no more sidewalk that will go all the way out.

[14:59] Because this is probably...

[15:05] How do we resolve this, though? Because clearly we presented the wrong thing. I mean, is this going to result in you asking us to come back yet again?

[15:16] We just, what we'll do is we'll make, again, while we are advisory, we will make a recommendation to the development review board that the landscaping on that access fee change to invite it to that.

[15:28] And then it'll be a curb opening so that there's a clear pathway through that landscaping to that pathway.

[15:35] Yeah, because I'm sure the rest of the civil dogs are just stuck in the reveal button.

[15:41] I hand you can't curb cuts and crosswalks and stuff.

[15:44] You if you look at the back of the package on C1.1, you can see where the crosswalk direction

[15:50] over there and it lines up on that.

[15:52] We're sort of talking about this.

[15:58] You can see how the app way is set up.

[16:02] So if you're amenable to including a condition in your recommendations that we

[16:07] the landscape and you bring it back to marry a part of the building or something like that.

[16:14] And describe your change or the fence and that was one of the other items.

[16:18] So also, including your package, this third sheet of the package, I hand it out as a construction detail of a fence thing.

[16:26] And you can see that this would be used for all of these types of purposes.

[16:32] So this would blood the openings on the garage, this would line the ramp and it would also go along the drop off by the railroad track.

[16:41] And this was selected because this is the design being used at Taylor Street, so we've got some correspondence with what's going on on the other side of the tracks, which is unbelievable to talk about.

[16:51] And James has included some pictures of these where they've used them in other places.

[16:58] This is not a rendering of this project, it's at, I think that's a little bit of a part of it.

[17:04] But gives you an idea of what it looks like in place.

[17:08] I think the material for the ramp also could be a galvanized.

[17:12] It would be a nice composition to have the ramp and I think we're all the same material.

[17:17] You know the ramp up to the boardwalk.

[17:21] Yeah, we have those added to the renderings which I can put up on.

[17:26] The big screen, but we have to see what that looks like in the render.

[17:34] You can see what that looks like in the render.

[17:36] And this is also, you know, we talked about adding a view that showed with the trees in place.

[17:43] So you see those those were a bridge coming up from below.

[17:47] And I think the next one should be, yes, just a different view of the same thing.

[17:51] But, um, with the trees in place.

[17:57] But I think the important thing for us was to just show this railing and this railing in situite in situ.

[18:03] No, that railing color is black.

[18:05] I showed it as black.

[18:07] Yeah, because we've been doing all the other metal work on the garage as black.

[18:11] James has scattered his galvanized in the detail because that's what he's recommending.

[18:16] But we're, you know, we're open-minded either way.

[18:18] Possible to do it in black.

[18:20] Yeah, I could be doing this.

[18:21] The black shows the landscape being at a much nicer.

[18:24] Yeah, I think so. It's a little less visually

[18:29] Well, it's our ears. Yeah, I guess the landscape.

[18:32] Well, it's the galvanized stands out. You see the fence instead of the landscape.

[18:37] But one tailor is galvanized.

[18:39] I believe you.

[18:41] So you see a similar any in shapes and stuff.

[18:47] Yeah, I don't necessarily have a problem with that except maybe, you know,

[18:53] It'll be up to the railroad, whether or not they get a fence on both sides of the tracks.

[19:00] They reserve the right to deal with that themselves, but we've indicated.

[19:06] But we'd be kind of funny if one side was black and one side was galvanized on either side.

[19:09] That's what I was saying, right?

[19:11] It's too bad because the black shows the landscaping much nicer.

[19:16] Yeah, I think that's it, but they're galvanized, things on gossips building, that was the driving force for me to get galvanized on that project.

[19:26] I think it's the galvanized, I actually like the galvanized as it ages, it models it has a little bit more texture to it than something that's black, it's just sort of,

[19:34] even if you like the, the model. Do we know what this bridge is made out? Is that galvanized as that kind of thing?

[19:40] The bike path bridge, I'm not sure, I think it's some kind of concrete, but I don't know.

[19:51] We had the civil engineering drawings, but we didn't have any engineering drawings for the bridge itself.

[20:01] I think we obviously divide it on the design team year a little bit.

[20:14] I have an impression too, either. I can kind of style as fine. I need to update your note, though, because you have one area saying, galvanized and one saying, stainless steel.

[20:24] Yeah, I think Stan must go beat you down, so yeah, it's definitely not going to happen here

[20:39] Some of the fence who would definitely be galvanized because like if that's fine with me and I personally prefer a galvanized

[20:50] I don't know, I'll check you down, guys.

[20:57] I think

[21:00] Park would probably fit in there with the rest of the garage.

[21:05] Yeah.

[21:09] What?

[21:10] It's a lot of interesting.

[21:11] You got the nice down the railing and the ramp and then black,

[21:14] where it's actually a part of the garage.

[21:17] Yeah, that's a good work for me.

[21:19] Yeah.

[21:20] Because I don't really want to highlight that.

[21:22] I just know to have it there.

[21:23] Yeah.

[21:24] There's some places under the bridge and stuff

[21:26] where we want to keep people from getting in there as well,

[21:28] So there'll be some security-fencing under all these.

[21:32] Nobody's designed up the best to in great chair, right?

[21:34] We have no design, because the other ones in town are the Galvanite,

[21:40] are the court camps still.

[21:43] Some are Galvanite.

[21:44] Oh, the bike path bridge?

[21:46] Yeah, I'd be like I said, we had a civil engineering plan for it.

[21:49] It could very well be that it looks different than this.

[21:53] I just wanted to be clear.

[21:55] But my understanding is that's, I mean, that I'll permit it and done and before I was even here.

[22:03] Yeah, we won't be constructive.

[22:04] Yeah, the stay-in-tech's playing part of the one tail of me project.

[22:09] That was a good last year.

[22:15] That's the way the bridge has been locked.

[22:19] I don't know.

[22:20] I don't know the specifics of stay-in-tech's playing.

[22:23] Yeah.

[22:25] We need Tom or...

[22:26] We need to come up and...

[22:29] That's where it is. That's how big it is.

[22:31] That's how long it is. That's what we know.

[22:33] Yeah. Part of it.

[22:37] But it's not a part of this application.

[22:39] So we don't have to deal with it. I don't think.

[22:42] No, we're just trying to integrate.

[22:43] A little bit.

[22:44] Make sure that we're making a decision based on...

[22:50] So, on the ramp you'll need a handle, obviously.

[22:52] So yeah, it shows yeah, yeah, so yeah, you can kind of see in the rendering if you zoom in that the

[23:04] Intermediate railings on the inside

[23:06] For getting

[23:34] So we were proposing galvanized on the level or black on the pitch, is that, I think galvanized in the landscape and only black on the building.

[23:44] Like, where you have to have it on the base level, keep towers and people going out at the opening and the base level where the water is to go in and out or underneath the boardwalk to keep people from going under the boardwalk.

[23:54] That was something that Chief of Police requested after the October 30th meeting, the under the boardwalking needs to be finished off.

[24:02] I think that worked, that works for me.

[24:06] It's a big sense.

[24:10] I guess that way, the walkways want to disappear.

[24:13] People will be able to see those more, but not pay attention to the other fencing.

[24:17] That's not as

[24:20] people friendly.

[24:25] I want to get back to, I guess what has become like.

[24:31] I'm getting a wave down on the, you have a generic wave finding sign, right?

[24:41] The,

[24:45] I have some problems with the whole wave finding plan.

[24:48] That's not appropriate to talk about it.

[24:50] But, and I know that's being done by, you understand?

[24:55] There are a lot of things.

[24:58] But the thing I really want to be,

[25:00] There are signs and graphics that people don't have to wander around wondering where the river is.

[25:08] And I'm not sure that's there at this point. Some of the graphics for the wayfinding sign just frankly confused me and I know my pillar pretty well.

[25:27] and I think

[25:38] it wants his parents articulated it just wants to be inviting regardless of

[25:43] whether their signs they're not, but like as you're walking down the state street

[25:46] who want to be like, oh hey that looks like an interesting thing but I want to feel like

[25:49] I should have put walk through there and get to the river and I don't need a little sign to tell

[25:55] me that really when you get right down to it off of state street that's really the

[25:59] You know, unless you get on a tailor,

[26:02] when you think about coming from Main Street up around the corner,

[26:06] and there isn't no other access to the river of the Main Street,

[26:11] which will be worth a bite of access to it.

[26:14] Come around and measure going past Julios on the stage street

[26:17] and you look down, it should be, you know,

[26:20] that's the first chance you have to get access to that pack corner.

[26:25] So, whatever it can be done to make that, again,

[26:28] hiding. So this is your walking bag. You can look down and see that access. And again,

[26:34] between landscaping and stuff. Yeah. My recollection is there are no panels for murals

[26:42] on the state street side. Those are all up here. No, because the only part other than the entrance,

[26:51] basic state streets is going to be sort of behind the Christchurch public building. Right. And I'm

[26:57] They just certainly wanted 40 foot tall Marilyn Monroe looking at their window or something.

[27:02] Right. I guess I was thinking more like if there was a contact corner, the elevator corner in there, if there was spot for a mural, that would feel inviting at that corner that might draw you to want to walk down the path.

[27:17] Absolutely. The wires that are going across the north branch, on the other side of between the state and Langden, something like that between the two buildings.

[27:26] We're hoping to make that a dark thing, all right?

[27:30] These are suggestions.

[27:32] Yeah, okay.

[27:41] And we perhaps, the treatment of the pedestrian,

[27:44] the way the bikes are going to come down

[27:45] through the hand-hanging lock or the painted blue.

[27:47] Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of things outside of that.

[27:49] The ground is painted.

[27:51] Yeah, the way all of those things.

[27:54] With the way findings seem,

[27:55] there were certain identified landmarks

[28:00] that they were pointing out was the bike path on there

[28:03] as one of the, like, is this sign going to say bite path?

[28:06] Oh, yeah, our sign would say it's a river by Conflins Park,

[28:10] by the path boardwalk.

[28:11] OK, I don't think they've even got to this week,

[28:14] by the weekend, they got to the point

[28:15] of figuring out exactly what things they were going to point to yet.

[28:19] Very generic.

[28:20] I came to the presentation of the city council.

[28:23] Oh, OK.

[28:23] We're fine.

[28:23] I think it's really generic.

[28:26] It was very, OK, I couldn't tell if I had already decided

[28:30] which landmarks we're going to be identified or not.

[28:32] Okay, my understanding is they hadn't, they had to have a limited budget, but it's something

[28:36] where I am sure that over time it could also be added to, it's need be, but it's also

[28:43] going to be a question for Bill or Sue if either of them know anything more. I don't know.

[28:52] No.

[28:56] Again, once they finalize that project, it would be nice to have something that's somewhat

[29:02] compatible.

[29:02] So at least if there's a sign-up on stage, that's where this is like that.

[29:07] We're going to be walking that I've had for a minute.

[29:10] It says that you've got down there that it's clear that, you know, there's...

[29:14] I mean, it's just, you know, having those signs within I shot at each other.

[29:22] Anybody else have any other questions, comments, suggestions?

[29:26] I said to myself, at this point.

[29:31] And again, I want to be honest.

[29:33] I'm sitting here thinking about I'm in the photo.

[29:36] So I find it very difficult.

[29:38] So make a recommendation or vote if you don't know what you're going to get.

[29:45] And I

[29:47] haven't decided yet.

[29:56] We can open it up to the public, but I'm very briefly.

[30:00] Because we have a time limitation tonight. We'll open that up for the next 10 minutes or so. And then anybody who wants to have any further comment, this is moving on to the development review board anyway.

[30:14] So, again, we're advisory, so anybody who has any additional comments can bring that up and have the development review board meeting.

[30:23] Anybody wants to speak up, plan to do it briefly and raise your hand and come up to them.

[30:32] I think it would be good if people were restricted.

[30:35] We've prepared their comments.

[30:37] What design review has authority to you?

[30:49] Nobody has anything to offer, we can go ahead and move forward.

[30:55] We will run down, there were some just to reiterate, there were some recommendations

[30:59] made from the last meeting.

[31:02] One was to have an option for the large artwork panels, with a public contest for a selection

[31:08] of actual artwork to be printed on the screens, an option one.

[31:13] provided that the artwork on the scrum shall be muted black and grey tones in color, subtle

[31:19] preferably echoing neighborhood themes like the railroad bridge, etc.

[31:25] Cornesses could be made out of GFRC or a polymer composite material, but were to be

[31:31] colored to resemble the grey granite used elsewhere on the building.

[31:35] Deking for the boardwalk shall preferably made from now.

[31:38] Originally it was a locally sourced locus or a IP, IP, or another tropical hardwood, but again

[31:46] you would like to use some galvanized decking, you said.

[31:51] No, I think the wood would remain wood. This would just be for the railings.

[31:53] No, okay. In the ring.

[31:57] And then use a smooth, not rough finish for a granite portions of the garage of rougher bases,

[32:02] will have to catch and hold dirt, increasing maintenance costs.

[32:07] And then the last couple of recommendations were, again, changing the landscaping around

[32:12] the access between the proposed total and the garage to invite access rather than hide

[32:19] the access.

[32:20] And again, open curving as you're showing in your most recent sketch.

[32:28] And then clarifying the fencing and railings at the rear of the garage would be galvanized

[32:32] metal or black colored metal material,

[32:34] black thick and civilian galvanized

[32:36] on the rounded boardwalk area.

[32:39] And then options, bike racks could be provided

[32:42] on the boardwalk, as well as inside the parking garage.

[32:46] And number two, applicant could provide hardware

[32:50] for hanging temporary banners over the large hardware

[32:53] sections on the reverse side of the garage,

[32:57] artwork or eyeballs below the cornice work,

[33:00] or some other type of hardware, so that any hanging

[33:06] banners could be attached.

[33:10] And stipulate to all of that.

[33:11] If you ordered anything for the, I don't want to call it

[33:16] way findings, it's more than a science issue,

[33:18] providing some direction all night for pedestrians

[33:22] to the river.

[33:23] Did you, you said you talked about it?

[33:26] Well, they have, they have that and the most recent proposal that they gave us here.

[33:36] On a case in Spain.

[33:37] I've got to say I'm not satisfied with that.

[33:41] On a fairer than exactly what it's going to be.

[33:47] I mean, if we talk about removing trees and changing trees,

[33:51] but we don't want to complain more.

[33:53] So, are we going to write something that,

[33:57] that we can send as a developer, or your board saying this needs to be improved, or people

[34:05] don't want to do that, that's fine. Can we do that, Meredith?

[34:10] Yeah, you can write something more specific than what Stephen just said, if you want.

[34:17] If everybody agrees that it's, I mean, we're talking about removing the sumac.

[34:21] Yeah, the sumac is low, it's the ginko, it's the tree, that's in the way.

[34:25] Well, the ginko is between the church and the, I mean, the sumac is, from this it looked like the sumac,

[34:38] I'm sorry to get sort of buried in this. So the ginko is on the side towards on the church parking lots.

[34:42] That's not blocking the access between the garage and the hotel.

[34:48] So we can make it as an amendment to the, I think, the last thing that just says visual.

[34:53] Oh, yeah.

[34:54] Oh, I've seen another activity between the state street up in there.

[34:59] That's...

[35:02] There's a lot of, you know, especially a lot of freedom trail, a very brick running down the middle of the sidewalk or whatever. So you've got a line to follow, you know, you go for your way for your way for your way for your way of finding a point and it says to the river.

[35:14] And we're just, yeah, y'all will have to be serious to do this.

[35:17] So they're not in the property business.

[35:20] That's the issue that would have to be coordinated

[35:22] through one failure alive, not by the applicant.

[35:25] Well, we're showing space to incorporate that on our property.

[35:30] I understand what Eric's looking for.

[35:32] I think we're just trying to find a way to articulate it,

[35:34] which is that the way finding things

[35:36] needs to be more than signage and moving to points.

[35:40] And we're happy to stipulate to that.

[35:42] I just, I think we missed Redberg where you were going with that last time we saw you and I'm

[35:46] saw how do you want to phrase that. I just think that's the direction and guiding people

[35:55] who ever need more of their signage. I think it could be pavement. It'd come out through the

[36:02] Haiti lot where the bike is. It doesn't, you know, I think there's a lot of different ways to do that.

[36:10] You can have a blue side one, and you can do things like that, but I think that really needs to happen.

[36:20] You know, this, I think that United done a great job of improving this over the times in the meeting.

[36:29] And, but I, you know, I've been in the strange cities, well, where's the river?

[36:37] there's a map show is a river running suit town and you're in the hotel.

[36:42] How do you get that?

[36:43] You know, if you walk out of the hotel, you see a sign to the river.

[36:47] Graphics at Indicator River.

[36:50] I

[36:54] think we agree.

[36:55] We just want to incorporate it within the framework of Greater Montpelliers.

[37:00] Yeah, and it's path making, not place making.

[37:03] So, you know, I mean, linear elements when you find, right?

[37:08] We need you guys to get on the period of life we've been in team.

[37:13] Thank you, Erica.

[37:16] I thought I'm enjoying that.

[37:24] We're amenable to incorporating this into this.

[37:26] I don't want it to be the reason we stall out.

[37:29] Well, and this is, so we can make this recommendation to the DRB.

[37:33] This is kind of outside of the scope of the 44th or 13 limits on this.

[37:40] But it doesn't mean that

[37:44] They will especially kind of base the agreement on it

[37:48] They won't get folded in

[37:51] I just am not

[37:52] Not quite sure how how that's gonna go

[37:56] But does it mean you guys can't recommend that?

[37:59] It's not an unfriendly recommendation. Yeah, no, we're not allowed to. That's what I said. That's what I said. All about it. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to be clear

[38:08] Feel your live and get them to listen as well

[38:17] And it also becomes a maintenance of it issue, too, if it's something that's embedded into the sidewalk, things like that.

[38:26] For sure, yeah.

[38:27] So this is something that

[38:33] I can go and be a lovely though.

[38:37] You need to take those stencils on the side.

[38:40] And do they put the stencils by the sores and decaying?

[38:44] That's it.

[38:44] Oh, yeah.

[38:45] That's the river.

[38:46] That's fairly easy to do.

[38:49] Something like that. I mean, I'm thinking places where I've been where they've got these

[38:54] windy little paths between things that I've lost in our lives down around the Constitution

[38:59] or the City of London, you know, a long time. There's just places where this fabric

[39:04] of the city pushes you off the river. You've got to go around and hold neighborhoods and come back

[39:08] and how do you get back to it? I understand the goal. I'm sorry we offered you a less

[39:14] and a complete response.

[39:19] I just sent clear markings and signage compatible

[39:22] with the way finding proposals by my earlier live,

[39:25] the type of pedestrians and bicycles

[39:28] to the mic and parking paths along the river

[39:30] need to be included.

[39:32] Yeah, so again, that leaves it open,

[39:35] but you want to define it any further than that?

[39:39] OK.

[39:42] I want to talk to you.

[39:46] Okay, any thing else anybody want to stay at or bring up before we go through the criteria.

[39:53] Thank you.

[39:54] This is the small set of criteria that we are used to judge the project.

[40:00] Again, the design review criteria. Number one, preservation or reconstruction of the appropriate historic

[40:09] style of the proposed projects and historic district, when involves any historic structure, acceptable.

[40:16] Harmony, isn't that just doesn't apply, really?

[40:20] Does it?

[40:21] It's a new construction.

[40:23] It's a new construction and preservation of reconstruction or reconstruction, so you want

[40:29] to say it does not apply then?

[40:32] I mean, it's not reconstruction, it's a new construction, I mean it doesn't really make

[40:42] any difference in our final piece anyway, but okay, I'll just say it not applicable then.

[40:49] Harmony of exterior design, whether the properties of the district acceptable, compatible to get

[40:56] proposed exterior materials, whether the properties of the district, those are compatible,

[41:03] compatibility of proposed landscaping, acceptable.

[41:07] Prevention of the use of incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes or exterior

[41:11] materials acceptable, location and appearance of all utilities, acceptable, recognition

[41:21] of respect for view quarters and significant vestits, including gateway views of the city

[41:27] and state house acceptable,

[41:33] and with the seven recommendations and the two options that

[41:37] listed here and would be become part of that application. Any other changes, recommendations,

[41:47] suggestions, otherwise all in favor of the application with those changes, raise your right

[41:55] hand.

[41:58] I was going to abstain, but no.

[42:00] You have to be more positive and courageous than anything.

[42:04] We will let you down.

[42:06] Thank you everybody for helping guide me through this and it's a much better project for I work

[42:12] together with I appreciate it.

[42:14] I need somebody willing to let your signature on.

[42:19] Yes.

[42:19] It's a bit of a clear second.

[42:21] Signature of that.

[42:22] That's good.

[42:22] Thank you.

[42:24] Thank

[42:28] you.

[42:29] Can I keep one set for my records?

[42:32] There's one folder into the agency and I'll just use it at the next meeting.

[42:34] Yes.

[42:35] Awesome.

[42:36] I'm sorry.

[42:36] We were having trouble with our prayer.

[42:42] This is like this is to look at it.

[42:44] It is.

[42:45] It doesn't sure.

[42:46] Yep.

[42:47] What's that?

[42:48] It's just a chair.

[42:50] Open to make more copies.

[42:52] Sure, if you tell me that.

[42:53] Oh yeah.

[42:54] We've got this.

[42:56] Okay.

[42:57] Probably that's behind.

[43:00] It's an amazing view.

[43:02] Okay.

[43:03] Thank you.

[43:04] Thank you.

[43:06] Thank you.

[43:08] Oh, Greg, can I have my time?

[43:11] Thanks.

[43:12] Thank you.

[43:12] Nope.

[43:13] I just leave it here.

[43:19] The next application is for 79.85.

[43:23] Very street.

[43:24] Apple gun with belly pizza.

[43:28] Come up and have a seat if I chair if there's somebody going to bowl up.

[43:31] Yep.

[43:32] Get on it.

[43:32] Come on.

[43:34] Yeah, last time I did that.

[43:36] So they're showing me food.

[43:38] I'm here to represent Chasse.

[43:41] She had some exciting reading circumstances and wasn't able to make it tonight, it was wondering if you could table this until next week

[43:48] Or next meeting and she would do that if you like great and she would be in touch with you via email just to turn with you

[43:54] Okay, yeah, she sent me here just to make sure that what was your name again Greg Hessleton spell your last name

[44:01] H-E-S-S-E-L-T-O-N

[44:08] Okay, thanks so much

[44:09] Thank you

[44:13] Next application is for 50 state street, Salam Bhoteek,

[44:22] I will can coordinate this but I can

[44:26] vote on it because it's on our building.

[44:30] Good evening.

[44:32] Please subscribe your side.

[44:33] Hi.

[44:33] I'm one second.

[44:34] I'm sorry.

[44:35] So, Martha's here.

[44:38] So, alternate should probably step down so Martha can step in.

[44:43] Okay.

[44:44] I'm so sure when she was going to fish a little enter the.

[44:48] Yep, no today today is her official entry.

[44:51] So she can probably come up and you can everybody can sit here for this one.

[44:55] You can here.

[44:56] And for the camera and for the public.

[44:59] I'll let you ask her to do.

[45:00] Alright. sorry.

[45:01] Oh, remember?

[45:03] So I do think the audience is saying it's a table when we part of this, right?

[45:07] Yes, it's a game called.

[45:08] Yes, I mean, I don't know why to carry it.

[45:10] I think somebody could vote well.

[45:14] Oh, but so, hi, I'm Martha.

[45:16] I'm Martha Smirskie. This is my first time.

[45:20] So, thanks for having me.

[45:21] This is our new regular design review committee member.

[45:27] So that we are now full full up five regular and two alternates.

[45:33] Good.

[45:34] Thank you.

[45:36] And if you're going to show yourself.

[45:37] Hi, I'm Sharon.

[45:38] Why then I am the manager of Salam Boutique at 50 State Street and not Pealier.

[45:44] I'm also standing in for Andrea Mixick who could not be here this evening.

[45:51] And I'm happy to begin.

[46:00] Happy to have a good day.

[46:01] I do.

[46:02] We can do it.

[46:03] There you go.

[46:03] No worries.

[46:08] See, your carbonation is so robust that I'd say it.

[46:13] We have supposedly somebody's coming to do some work done in.

[46:20] Some work tell us.

[46:22] So somewhere is the project.

[46:24] So we, at the end of July, moved to from Forty State Street, where we had been 17 years or

[46:33] as Salam Bhutik 250 State Street, which was Vermont trading company space and we've been occupying that space very happily since the end of July.

[46:49] And would need to have a sign, although this space outside as it was for Vermont trading company and the diagram of the outlines are there.

[47:02] in the

[47:06] application.

[47:07] We would like to stay with our branding, which is the oval with the eye for salon

[47:15] with the teak and feel that the current diagram of the picture really speaks to our branding

[47:24] and is a nice fit for the space.

[47:28] Do you know how accurately this is represented?

[47:31] Is this going to break this?

[47:34] Is this not going to break it?

[47:35] It's actually unfortunately just a little bit of a...

[47:40] I don't know if I would say a miscue, or it just wasn't aligned properly.

[47:44] The picture is...

[47:45] I assume it's going to go with it in the side.

[47:47] Absolutely.

[47:55] Yep.

[47:56] Sorry.

[47:56] And is

[48:06] it a brushed aluminum?

[48:07] It is a brushed aluminum.

[48:19] which is a bit different than what we have done in the past, however, with the expansion

[48:24] and the growth of 17 years bringing us forward into a really wonderful space and a more

[48:30] current contemporary look and if you've been to the new location you would know by coming

[48:38] in that the sign-out side actually matches what we believe the interior message to be.

[48:45] It's very contemporary, it seems to fit the town dynamic and view, and we are pretty pleased with the design itself.

[49:03] So it was the better painting, so without being the design person that's kind of a difficult

[49:14] question to answer except that it's brushed aluminum and then etched and then actually

[49:21] outlined with black, a thin black line around the outside of the sign.

[49:28] There was a little bit of this patch, yes, I think you got it, yes, that's pretty good, absolutely, but I'm going to look at it a little bit.

[49:36] There was our indications of where the where it will be placed, how it will be placed.

[49:43] Yeah, anchor, that's a good word, yes.

[49:46] Or the appropriate word, thank you.

[49:53] You said there would be a pinstriper around the car, absolutely.

[49:57] Oh, yes, yes, it wasn't showing on the back.

[50:00] I know, and we didn't get a revised diagram to show that, but actually it makes the sign itself stand out.

[50:08] But that'd be black or the color of them.

[50:10] It would be black.

[50:14] That was just hit her that here, just to clarify it.

[50:17] Absolutely.

[50:18] Can you ever use an existing light in this place?

[50:20] We are.

[50:41] In the email here, it says something about the brushed aluminum panel needs to project slightly above

[50:47] this off at lower trim. Right, so that's where that was just discussing with this picture here.

[50:52] It's got to go up. Okay, and it fits within that, wouldn't that scheme? Okay, let's go.

[51:08] Any other questions, comments?

[51:14] 17 years at the old location with that very old wooden sign and now we're looking to establish at least that

[51:20] less and more in a more contemporary fashion.

[51:25] Do you give a copy of the criteria for a little thing?

[51:30] I don't usually create access.

[51:34] I'm sorry.

[51:36] Preservation, reconstruction of a incorporated start style.

[51:41] It's a historic district and it's made us acceptable.

[51:57] Harmony of exterior design is other properties.

[51:59] And it districts acceptable,

[52:05] compatibility for post-exterior materials with other properties

[52:09] in the district, acceptable,

[52:13] since your sign has been in the district for a while.

[52:16] Thank you.

[52:17] compatibility, compatibility of proposed landscaping with the district, it's not applicable.

[52:25] Prevention that you should incompatible design, spellings, cars, schemes, that's acceptable.

[52:31] are you doing any lighting not additionally no location and appearance of all

[52:41] utilities that the recognition of a respect for view carders I would say that

[52:52] that's not applicable.

[52:56] Performance with city skate placement design

[52:59] recommendations acceptable.

[53:05] A lot of skier, significant, made of it.

[53:09] I'm missing one.

[53:11] Compatibility was subject properly in case of properties acceptable.

[53:18] A lot of skier architectural details acceptable.

[53:28] Illumination and terminally lit signs are prohibited.

[53:32] This is acceptable.

[53:35] Penits and banners are prohibited except

[53:37] just public announcement and stuff that will not happen.

[53:42] I think the elimination is, uh, uh, uh, uh,

[53:49] what they're suggesting.

[53:53] And individual letters of fixture,

[53:57] page of very courage, uh,

[54:00] such as

[54:08] these things don't exactly line up.

[54:10] Yeah, we've got to do the major and

[54:12] And it's in banners are not prohibited.

[54:17] That's not applicable.

[54:30] I should sign it for all of you.

[54:36] Just get a boat on that.

[54:37] Yeah, get a boat.

[54:41] All in favor?

[54:44] Oh no.

[54:48] Any opposed?

[54:57] It's so...

[55:03] Yes, are you done?

[55:05] And they need to have your side.

[55:07] Okay.

[55:08] Just write about his name there.

[55:10] Okay, may I borrow this?

[55:14] Okay.

[55:23] Great,

[55:31] well, thank you. Welcome to the law again.

[55:33] Come and see us.

[55:35] Our office will be in touch with the private.

[55:37] Absolutely.

[55:38] Thank you so much. Have a wonderful evening.

[55:40] I have that. You're so amazing.

[55:42] Thank you for coming.

[55:50] The next application is for 28 school street.

[55:59] Applicant Maria, Stanford, pronounce your name.

[56:02] So far.

[56:03] So far.

[56:05] Hi.

[56:06] Hi.

[56:08] And describe your application.

[56:11] We are applying to enlarge our sign, so it's the same size as the other businesses in the directory and add a sign to our funder.

[56:26] Your name is Bill, right?

[56:27] Yeah.

[56:32] So,

[56:34] as we both do, this is fine.

[56:36] You were interesting.

[56:38] This is a lot of the things you wanted by the other side.

[56:40] Yep.

[56:41] Yep.

[56:41] Oh.

[56:42] You have the best look.

[56:43] You have the change.

[56:44] You can read a little better to add this.

[56:46] I was on an already usually black.

[56:49] I would have to do something other than this one.

[56:51] The gold?

[56:52] Because even just looking at this, it fades out.

[56:57] It's like down here.

[56:58] I don't know if you're designing or looking at that.

[57:00] I just don't know.

[57:01] Just a recommendation.

[57:02] You see, it's like it really drops out.

[57:04] And it's competing.

[57:06] Yeah?

[57:06] It gets the white.

[57:07] The only thing that's not depicted is the black frame that will go around it

[57:12] so that they can hang the body.

[57:15] So it's currently black on the green sign,

[57:18] that's the original, and it will be black on this.

[57:21] Can you?

[57:22] It's a little water pot chip, you know?

[57:24] Yeah, it's nice.

[57:25] Some comments.

[57:27] There it is.

[57:30] So the door sign is there.

[57:32] I need to use why we could put that to the back of the door.

[57:36] I don't know how to do it.

[57:37] We definitely can.

[57:38] That space might not be the same size.

[57:45] There are what might be columns built into the architecture on the front of the building.

[57:53] That might be a pass-back size, but it could certainly run different fashion.

[58:03] I

[58:05] don't know.

[58:06] I don't know.

[58:07] I don't know.

[58:08] I don't know.

[58:08] But yes, absolutely.

[58:11] Everybody knows where my agency is in here.

[58:14] Well, the interest, that's why we're here, the interesting thing is that probably

[58:18] weekly, someone is lured in by the smell that they don't actually know we're there, because

[58:25] the current sign blends in as a directory for a business that might not be a retail

[58:34] good service and it doesn't have any of the pieces of the logo that appears on the

[58:43] front label so people really don't know where they are and we've been there for 38 years

[58:48] I'm not going to call you.

[58:51] I'm going to do every...

[58:53] every, I'm...

[58:54] school getting useful and I'll share their for sure.

[58:57] Yeah, they do.

[58:58] What is the sign of hundreds of 28?

[59:02] Oh, it's the business hours.

[59:05] Okay.

[59:06] Yep.

[59:07] Oh, thank you.

[59:08] Yep.

[59:13] We are the only business that you find when you enter the front door.

[59:20] Would you have enough room if you...

[59:24] Where this lay out here, specials, you could take the day off, stack it up, up this,

[59:34] 7 or 4 of a rectangle, it might fit directly underneath your house.

[59:42] Is that a possibility?

[59:43] Yeah, for sure.

[59:44] And then it wouldn't be on the doorway, so you just kind of see to remove the wall that's there.

[59:50] I don't believe that one would say instead of putting this on the door he would think it would be more compatible.

[1:00:00] Take the voices today, specials, just to take that portion of the proportion of the sign that says today, specials, and stack that directly above your proposed sign. And then mouth that directly underneath the store hours. So everything is on a column.

[1:00:18] The one that's there is store hours, etc.

[1:00:22] It is.

[1:00:23] It is.

[1:00:26] This one says money to Friday night to Friday.

[1:00:30] So actually you could take, if there's no other information on that,

[1:00:34] the hours on how I do could take that one down and move this over

[1:00:37] and have it rectangular.

[1:00:40] I'm sure.

[1:00:43] Do you have it?

[1:00:44] That sounds great.

[1:00:44] I don't think so.

[1:00:45] So I think that people, the interesting thing is when we put something on the door, when

[1:00:51] we were noticing that people didn't know where we were.

[1:00:54] The minute they could see the front door with some type of notification from the streets,

[1:01:00] they could find us.

[1:01:01] And the yellow piece that's off on the right hand side with our store hours is small so

[1:01:07] you couldn't read it from the sidewalk.

[1:01:11] So, I think whether it was right on the door, it was on the side, wouldn't matter, as long

[1:01:19] as it was large enough for some of this.

[1:01:22] I think it would be noticeable with the red.

[1:01:26] Yeah.

[1:01:26] Above it.

[1:01:27] Oh, yeah.

[1:01:28] I think that's certainly, I mean, from any distance, that red attraction attention, and then

[1:01:33] If you would this spring paint their sign below that, again, what you're going to see is contrast.

[1:01:42] So if you've got a lighter color background in this, so the yellowish off white color that you have here with a black lettering on it.

[1:01:53] I think that I paint the contrast will be more noticeable, because I'm looking at this sign and it's hard to tell what it says,

[1:01:59] although it's much more clear with the one that's on the door even as small as it is there.

[1:02:05] Soon,

[1:02:08] we're trying to get more footpathic and this is a totally different idea.

[1:02:12] Completely ignore it, but it does seem to me like you would be pretty awesome to have just like

[1:02:18] bread sitting out there, you know, almost as like a... I'm thinking more like the

[1:02:24] daughter of a foreign sort of like honor system like a couple of clothes.

[1:02:28] Oh yeah, you would pay you know they're just talking about oh that's what's right there

[1:02:32] and that's he's the son and he's some actual like clothes of Brad Hanna nice to have David.

[1:02:38] That's wonderful for the squirrel.

[1:02:41] Good point.

[1:02:43] No I don't mean I actually mean like loaves wrapped up in plastic as well.

[1:02:47] Yeah, they love the children and they live in the bushes outside waiting.

[1:02:54] I think it's a fabulous idea, but yeah, you've already got a mark.

[1:03:01] We can't do it.

[1:03:02] There we go.

[1:03:04] I totally amazed it's been on a break.

[1:03:06] You can turn out in that place.

[1:03:09] So now on today's specials, do you have something on there?

[1:03:13] We do, yes, little, little placards that we can change in and out.

[1:03:17] Okay.

[1:03:18] So again, if you do the sign vertically, you could put that either above or below the other sign.

[1:03:24] Whichever you think is more readable, you could actually almost make two signs to

[1:03:31] Break tangular signs vertically and then mouth of one above or below the other

[1:03:38] whichever one will make more sense

[1:03:59] What are you putting in, like, okay, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, right here, I've never asked John about that, at least on his, the front of his building.

[1:04:14] Again, one of the criteria is going to have to be slim enough so that you're not going to want to hide in any of the architectural details.

[1:04:24] That's a really special entry way there.

[1:04:29] No, we don't use the input today.

[1:04:32] The people that live in the building.

[1:04:34] There's three-ten and sub-series.

[1:04:38] Thank you.

[1:04:39] With the colors, with the red and the colors of your proposed sign.

[1:04:46] All right.

[1:04:47] All right.

[1:04:48] All right.

[1:04:48] Where are the hours are now?

[1:04:51] I think that would.

[1:04:52] I think that would certainly be noticeable.

[1:04:56] And protected from the winter.

[1:04:58] Yes.

[1:04:59] Especially when you have to.

[1:05:03] It's certainly a lot easier rather than having that to get on the ladder for poster specials.

[1:05:09] It's hanging up all the way.

[1:05:11] And swinging in the wind. Look at your sister, that job.

[1:05:17] Another, I want to throw this one out.

[1:05:19] Okay, there's no go ahead.

[1:05:23] You could put Manky's breath right along this side stack.

[1:05:27] It could be pretty cool.

[1:05:30] I need idea to do it.

[1:05:31] You could stack Maggie's bread right here.

[1:05:35] Bigger letters.

[1:05:40] Certainly would advertise.

[1:05:44] I don't have any problem with it being on the door.

[1:05:47] I seem to mean about it really drawing people to that door.

[1:05:51] Yeah.

[1:05:51] I don't even know what you're had.

[1:05:55] Yeah.

[1:05:58] If we're, I, I was a, if we're talking about down this side, if it's a different calculation.

[1:06:06] Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't have it. I'm going to be free now.

[1:06:11] Should we start talking about it inside?

[1:06:12] If you start throwing things away at them and that can go back to the end of the time,

[1:06:15] then the building's not a choice, and the nature we can actually do that.

[1:06:19] But if you make the recommendation, then we can do the calculation.

[1:06:23] Yeah.

[1:06:24] I think it's the only thing to decide on the door, I don't know, it swings out, right?

[1:06:29] The door?

[1:06:30] I mean, it's still a bite-good habit by the kids.

[1:06:33] That it's right at the door, right at their level.

[1:06:38] We're completely comfortable having it in either place.

[1:06:42] And I think it's very easy to see.

[1:06:45] On the side.

[1:06:47] Yeah.

[1:06:51] What would be your preference?

[1:06:54] I think that the side would work fine if that's what the agreement is.

[1:07:00] I don't think we'd even considered another option, so that is just fine.

[1:07:30] We'll have to figure out who's actually holding on this one.

[1:08:52] I just said that applicant has the option for a rectangular sign to be located and on the vertical

[1:08:58] caseings on either side of the entry door using the same design components and colors currently

[1:09:04] proposed. Is that, say, would you like on the contrast as well?

[1:09:12] That's a larger direction.

[1:09:21] So again, the recommendation is for a darker pinstripe.

[1:09:26] How would you want another letter? Just a higher contrast.

[1:09:29] That's an option.

[1:10:56] As the option to use darker colored, pinstrible lettering and logo on the larger ground sign, and the same color to form proof readability.

[1:11:05] Does that say would you,

[1:11:09] any other questions, comments, suggestions? I'll read through the criteria then.

[1:11:15] Number one, hey, preservation of reconstruction of the appropriate historic style of those projects is in the historic district.

[1:11:21] of obstinous structure, acceptable, harmony of exterior design with other properties, acceptable,

[1:11:29] compatibility, a proposed exterior, materials, acceptable, compatibility for post landscaping

[1:11:35] not proposed in this application, prevention of the use of incompatible designs, buildings,

[1:11:40] color schemes or exterior materials, acceptable, location of appearance, all utilities,

[1:11:45] There's no change and there's no lighting on the sign.

[1:11:50] Recognition of and respect for view quarters, not applicable with this location.

[1:11:55] Conformance with city-skate placement and design recommendations acceptable.

[1:11:59] Commitability with subject property and adjacent property is acceptable.

[1:12:04] She'll not obscure significant architectural details, acceptable.

[1:12:08] Consistency and uniformity of multiple signs, not applicable here.

[1:12:12] illumination, internally lit, out of applicable, and it's in vanners, not applicable.

[1:12:18] Individual letters are fixed, painted, or engraved, or rectangular structure, are encouraged,

[1:12:24] acceptable. All in favor of the application is proposed with the options,

[1:12:28] which again. Somebody has to say,

[1:12:34] somebody has to say, nobody, I'm not noting who's.

[1:12:40] Unless you need to, okay.

[1:12:43] In a minute's note.

[1:12:44] Then you pick somebody who's that, who's like doesn't count.

[1:12:48] Ah, I mean, it would be Ben, this is the alternate.

[1:12:55] This needs to mean, but that's right.

[1:12:59] Okay.

[1:13:03] If you want to sit in, I'll drop off.

[1:13:12] And maybe you could choose to sign this one.

[1:13:14] right there about my name

[1:13:21] over loving and then favor the next development

[1:13:27] review board meeting with the

[1:13:32] okay this this is administrative okay good thank you

[1:13:42] Yes.

[1:13:53] Things alone.

[1:13:56] These are probably more of those maintenance.

[1:13:59] Kind

[1:14:06] of.

[1:14:06] Okay.

[1:14:07] 22 main street.

[1:14:09] Point for Melton and John Beard's building.

[1:14:13] Describe your application.

[1:14:18] I'm going to answer that.

[1:14:19] We're going to have to text on your own or your own.

[1:14:22] Hi.

[1:14:23] This is a relation to the rear fire skate on the building that there's been.

[1:14:28] and it's deteriorating condition, and we had looked at options of replacement there.

[1:14:32] It was an engineering report that indicated it would really need to be replaced.

[1:14:36] That it's cost to do that with really prohibitively expensive.

[1:14:39] We looked at several options including a spiral, which was simpler and smaller,

[1:14:44] but we couldn't meet the, like, safety requirements that was today, it was so important here.

[1:14:50] It was pointed out by Mr. Lungel, Chris Lumbra, that, because of the sprinkling that it occurred recently here,

[1:14:56] and with the other accident in the building that they do not need this.

[1:15:00] I could literally come off. So that's really what we were supposed to do, just be to take it off. So you've got an image of what it is.

[1:15:09] And then we would be returning these two locations where the doors were to windows. They'd be a Markin flag window, which we were matching existing color of the other windows.

[1:15:22] And then doing a brick infill, the beast window, two infill, but yes, that's what we're

[1:15:31] looking at.

[1:15:32] There are sort of theories of which to do there, whether you're toothed in, do you do it

[1:15:36] in set?

[1:15:36] Filming a door in the restaurant.

[1:15:39] Seems that way.

[1:15:40] Yeah, there are certainly historic, and there are other pressurists on the building where some

[1:15:43] have been infilled, straight line and that some have been toothed in.

[1:15:47] I just think the inset looks good better because you're never going to match the

[1:15:52] And it tells the story.

[1:15:54] In this case, I wouldn't think of that, we'd break.

[1:16:00] Well, that was out of that, whether it should just be a panel.

[1:16:02] Yeah, I think it could be either.

[1:16:06] I don't know what you guys have any preference, it's only be cheaper.

[1:16:12] And then we're pretty, this is just to show how we're matching the color of the, the

[1:16:16] the cloud and the existing window turn. Is it a double home or is it double home?

[1:16:23] Yeah, well basically be good. Double home has the others are. It will also be the

[1:16:29] rest of the people below, because it needs to be. So that's never the race to the same

[1:16:36] level as the other windows or when they be constructed below the upper panel.

[1:16:42] We'll take it to the same level so that the head will match.

[1:16:46] Basically head and base will match or try to match that level.

[1:16:55] There are granite seals beneath the edges, but again with this being a former door we work.

[1:17:02] So that's kind of in a nutshell where it is.

[1:17:04] I think setting it back would be.

[1:17:08] Yeah.

[1:17:09] Well, apparently the client is an ex-door.

[1:17:16] It might be simpler and thinner in a way.

[1:17:21] Yeah, it would be fine.

[1:17:23] I'd like to.

[1:17:24] I'd like to.

[1:17:24] Well, we might do.

[1:17:26] I'd like to.

[1:17:27] I'd like to.

[1:17:27] Because a lot of issues were using some moral panels.

[1:17:30] So that there isn't that there's some kind of painted.

[1:17:32] If we were to go to a route of that nature, I would suggest that so that it's maintenance-free.

[1:17:38] It's a composite.

[1:17:42] So you want to give the option that you use the lower panel under,

[1:17:46] can be or can fill or a composite panel?

[1:17:51] Okay.

[1:18:02] You probably agree with the panel.

[1:18:05] Could be.

[1:18:07] No.

[1:18:09] Much blocked next door with Eric who's doing the same thing or it's set back.

[1:18:17] Yeah.

[1:18:21] The word he's on and the word about matching color.

[1:18:23] Yeah.

[1:18:24] That little probably stand out less in a way.

[1:18:47] Any other questions, comments, suggestions?

[1:18:50] So the panel will be flat metal for you.

[1:18:53] I'm going to do a flat metal.

[1:18:56] You'll be flat metal.

[1:18:57] I would think because of this size,

[1:18:59] we've been flat with probably will be trimmed around.

[1:19:01] I don't think what I would repeat the granite.

[1:19:15] So these units come with a...

[1:19:17] There's a certain portion of silver comes with a clan with a grip.

[1:19:22] Actually I think you can maybe get some clan material to cover the silver.

[1:19:27] So that would totally match.

[1:19:28] We wouldn't be the same depth as the grass, but they'd get out of the clouds.

[1:19:37] I see there's nothing proposed.

[1:19:39] Nothing changing any of that at this point.

[1:19:44] All the previous anchor points, how are you doing?

[1:19:47] They would be filled.

[1:19:50] They're a parent.

[1:19:52] Some would have been in more or some in brick profit.

[1:20:01] So, again, the only thing we had, it was the end felt below the two new windows, which are replacing the existing door openings. Maybe break or composite material.

[1:20:13] You want to be any other specificity other than that.

[1:20:20] You can mention that.

[1:20:21] Black, right? Still.

[1:20:23] That'd be fine.

[1:20:46] So, we'll go through the criteria. Number one, preservation or reconstruction of the appropriate historic style.

[1:20:51] of the proposed projects in the historic district, in some of our many of the exterior designs

[1:20:57] of the properties in the district except of the possibility of proposed exterior materials.

[1:21:02] It's a possibility of the proposed landscaping proposed prevention of the use of

[1:21:07] the designs, buildings, color schemes or exterior materials except of the location on a

[1:21:13] appearance of all utilities, no change in utilities or lighting of any kind.

[1:21:17] not applicable, recognition of and respect their view quarters and the back of the building I would say that's not applicable.

[1:21:24] All in favor of the application with those options.

[1:21:38] Steve, where it says relocate cable box entry, that's not anything to do with utilities.

[1:21:44] Is that correct?

[1:21:46] On the last page, there's an indication where they're going to relocate the cable box entry.

[1:21:51] It's right now, you see it in the photograph, it's above and we're going to put it below.

[1:21:55] Okay, which actually will show less than a panel properly than in the summer.

[1:21:59] It's really got to fill that up, probably in it.

[1:22:01] It's changing as far as the utility is sitting.

[1:22:06] Okay.

[1:22:06] So we're not adding anything.

[1:22:07] You can see it's here where it is now.

[1:22:09] Oh, I see.

[1:22:10] I see. So then it goes down.

[1:22:12] Yeah.

[1:22:13] I want to be able to sign that.

[1:22:15] I'll talk about it later.

[1:22:16] It has a great hearing.

[1:22:17] We have for that one.

[1:22:18] For all that.

[1:22:31] Okay.

[1:22:33] Thanks.

[1:22:33] Thank you very much.

[1:22:34] So I'm going to stay for the next one.

[1:22:43] OK, we'll be quick.

[1:22:44] So basically this is also made.

[1:22:48] Below this siding down below is basically rotting.

[1:22:52] And so we're looking to replace it actually.

[1:22:54] The project is going to do that.

[1:22:57] And what we're going to use again is a ball product.

[1:23:00] But this is called a nickel gap.

[1:23:02] Basically, it'll emulate the shrinkage cracks that are in the material there, so it'll look very much like nap now.

[1:23:10] And it's a totally inert material, and we've seen it, we've soaked a bit for months in water, and it doesn't run.

[1:23:16] We've often let it use the tint of division as a loud, down low, where things typically deteriorate, and it just doesn't do it.

[1:23:25] That's a different profile. We'll be, again, that nickel-app, which is kind of a shift-lap, but with this, it's incorrect.

[1:23:30] What is the material?

[1:23:33] It's a fly ash, basically, material.

[1:23:37] That's sort of a...

[1:23:38] And a ponding page into some sort

[1:23:44] of...

[1:23:45] That's the guns, right?

[1:23:46] The color, if the owner, we looked at having to be informed with the rest of the building and the colors and the black windows and such, but they wanted to keep this sort of identity of themselves and with their sign above.

[1:23:58] So it'll be matching,

[1:24:01] matching what's there.

[1:24:03] So again, it's just that lower.

[1:24:04] It's the lower part, the rest will be painted, but it's only the lower part to get replaced.

[1:24:11] Payed at the same time. Same color.

[1:24:13] Yeah. Right top.

[1:24:16] I'm faded.

[1:24:18] Yeah, I think what we'll do.

[1:24:19] I haven't found the phone close, but we'll take around a non-faded piece and get it scanned.

[1:24:26] There's actually a Sherwin Williams color that we need are in close to that called Pancakes.

[1:24:31] Pancakes, sir.

[1:24:37] Well,

[1:24:40] it shows up pretty nice and it's sort of a reddish, dark, reddish, brown color.

[1:24:46] Although this one appears, passion or dente.

[1:24:53] Okay, I'll go right back to the Criterium, Preservation Reconstruction of the Properters

[1:24:58] Historic Style, Acceptable, Harmony.

[1:25:00] The interior design, acceptable, accountability for public exterior materials, acceptable, pathophilic, post-line, escaping, not closed, prevention of the use of incompatible designs, billings, color schemes, exterior materials, acceptable, no change in utilities, recognition of and respect for view quarters and significant vistas, including a reducer of the city and state house, acceptable, all in favor, which you're hand.

[1:25:27] Where and if I would say looking at this night's application, it's similar that I feel like we could be able to get ready to get through it, okay?

[1:25:34] Sure. Yeah, this was quick.

[1:25:40] Thank you.

[1:25:41] Thank you.

[1:25:48] Thank you.

[1:25:54] Thank you.

[1:25:56] Finally, the next application, 58 state straight, over late part.

[1:26:03] We'll go for placement.

[1:26:07] Hi, all.

[1:26:10] I'm Jesse Jacobs, I'm representing over Lake Park.

[1:26:15] We have a new tannic,

[1:26:16] that's moving into the 58th state street garage,

[1:26:20] which after so many years we're really excited about.

[1:26:23] We have found that the roof that is there,

[1:26:25] currently, which is asphalt shingles,

[1:26:28] needs to be replaced.

[1:26:29] We are proposing to replace it with something

[1:26:32] that is more historically relevant,

[1:26:34] that will last longer,

[1:26:36] and generally, in my opinion, we'll fill out better.

[1:26:39] And, um, I'm here for your permission to do that.

[1:26:44] The pitch flow tool shall bring those as well for our help.

[1:26:50] All right.

[1:26:51] Are you buying it?

[1:26:53] A particular color?

[1:26:55] It's charcoal grain.

[1:26:56] I think you guys should have, uh,

[1:27:01] I have left the material and the chip with the application.

[1:27:05] Maybe you don't have it.

[1:27:07] That's okay.

[1:27:08] You don't need it.

[1:27:10] It's a little bit lighter than this lap time.

[1:27:14] No, that's mine.

[1:27:15] So you have a fixed guard and pad.

[1:27:19] We're going to do, right?

[1:27:20] Well, so we'll have the guard along the edge,

[1:27:22] and then four feet above that.

[1:27:24] We'll have the floor delies.

[1:27:26] Just to kind of keep snow up there.

[1:27:45] I'm not sure if they're investigated or something.

[1:27:49] Some of the head style guards that you're showing.

[1:27:54] look at there's some websites that recommend the stagger and spacing on those depending on the

[1:28:02] picture of the roof makes a big difference as far as how it controls the movement of the

[1:28:08] snow.

[1:28:10] Okay, I'm certain that the fellow who is installing this has a lot of experience so I think

[1:28:17] that he probably will know what to do.

[1:28:19] OK, good questions, comments?

[1:28:27] OK, evaluation number one, preservation and reconstruction

[1:28:30] of the appropriate historic style, acceptable,

[1:28:33] harmony of exterior design, acceptable,

[1:28:37] that ability of professed exterior materials

[1:28:39] or other properties than the district acceptable.

[1:28:42] Now landscaping proposed, prevention

[1:28:44] of the use of incompatible designs, buildings,

[1:28:46] color schemes, or exterior materials, acceptable,

[1:28:49] location and appearance of all utilities, no change in lighting or any other utilities.

[1:28:55] Recognition of and respect for view quarters and significant VISTAs, including every

[1:29:00] views in the city and state and I was acceptable.

[1:29:03] All in favor of the application of your hand.

[1:29:10] Thank you all for squeezing me onto the agenda.

[1:29:12] I know it was a full one.

[1:29:16] Thank you.

[1:29:17] Thank you.

[1:29:18] I'll sign that one.

[1:29:19] You can all set,

[1:29:27] who gave the person a guarantee of your second, all in favor of being

[1:29:32] the amendments and a guarantee of your hands.

[1:29:34] The meeting is a turn.

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