[0:00] and I'd love to get a picture of you

[0:02] guys because I've got like the best view

[0:05] so I can figure out how to get my camera

[0:06] to work don't worry about it

[0:19] please

[0:32] like Jonah

[0:38] don't know

[0:42] if you could all join me in a moment of

[0:44] silence

[1:01] thank you

[1:02] I like to call this meeting order this

[1:04] is Monday August 21st of uh 2023 at 6

[1:09] 30. we have four of the five council

[1:11] members of President we are missing uh

[1:14] councilwoman Tucker tonight

[1:16] our first order of business is we have a

[1:18] recognition of our comfort canine

[1:21] exander and officer Ashley Pierce

[1:41] [Music]

[2:11] would you be able to share just a few

[2:14] words about the the contest that that

[2:16] these guys won sure after Mass services

[2:18] holds a canine Grant every year this

[2:21] year we had over 700 entries Nationwide

[2:24] and her entry with Xander got first our

[2:29] second place in the tier so um they were

[2:32] rewarded a thousand dollars for the

[2:34] canine program

[2:36] [Applause]

[2:38] uh so we are so grateful for this

[2:41] additional funding and so grateful for

[2:43] officer Pierce and Xander and all that

[2:45] they do for our community did everybody

[2:47] get a chance to pet Xander hopefully out

[2:49] there good

[3:21] night

[3:35] area

[3:42] thank you

[4:29] all right

[4:31] okay

[4:33] that was very nice that was up always

[4:36] great to do one of those things all

[4:37] right next up I have approval of the

[4:39] minutes for May 24 23 special session

[4:41] and June 5th regular session Mr chair

[4:44] I'll make a motion to approve the May

[4:46] 24th and June 5th meetings second all

[4:50] right I have a motion in a second any

[4:52] discussion

[4:53] all right I'll call the boat all those

[4:54] in favor say aye aye

[4:56] opposed name okay

[5:01] [Music]

[5:03] what's with people outside are watching

[5:06] the talk to the people I want to make

[5:07] sure they hear us I like them when I can

[5:09] hear you gotta talk right into them okay

[5:11] on the public comment I do have some uh

[5:16] Quest public comment

[5:19] I see two of them are for

[5:23] the two ordinances did you all want to

[5:26] speak when we do the ordinances you want

[5:27] to speak now

[5:29] we can go ahead and do it now

[5:32] so first up will be uh Mr Shank

[5:37] [Music]

[5:43] hello everybody uh Stephen shank 112

[5:46] Boardwalk Avenue Oviedo I'm just here

[5:49] about the uh I know it's only first

[5:51] reading uh or a setting scheduled first

[5:54] reading but to get some ideas and stuff

[5:55] thoughts in the head about golf carts

[5:58] and the upcoming uh ordinance uh first

[6:01] uh you know it's mentioned in there the

[6:04] extensive research that's done but

[6:06] there's absolutely nothing attached to

[6:08] that packet that shows any research has

[6:10] done whatsoever

[6:11] to give you any idea of why what where

[6:14] when how

[6:15] and what went into putting this together

[6:17] so you know if I can get that tomorrow

[6:19] that'd be great but uh you know that

[6:21] that's what I'd like to see first and

[6:22] foremost is the research that was done

[6:25] um why who's looking for this uh what

[6:28] brought this forward what groups groups

[6:30] Etc have brought this forward to make

[6:32] this uh put motion

[6:35] uh what areas are going to be most

[6:37] affected as part of that research what

[6:38] areas are going to be most affected uh

[6:41] that you again that the research points

[6:42] out that will be getting

[6:44] the most traffic from golf carts uh

[6:47] things like that

[6:48] uh how did you determine that golf carts

[6:51] May safely be operational on city

[6:52] streets there that stated in there as

[6:54] part of thing that it was determined

[6:56] that they could be safely on city

[6:57] streets what was that determination how

[6:59] is that done

[7:01] reports mechanisms Etc uh why was

[7:04] Chapman and them all specifically left

[7:07] out those seem two interesting thoughts

[7:09] especially Chapman to me since the back

[7:12] end is almost rural it's an interesting

[7:15] thought that that was designated to not

[7:17] have any golf cart traffic on it

[7:20] as far as cost there's it says costs who

[7:23] knows you know some estimate of the cost

[7:26] that's going to be involved in not only

[7:27] registration that should theoretically

[7:30] take care of itself never does but

[7:31] should theoretically take care of the

[7:33] cost of administration

[7:36] but of taking care of the officers and

[7:40] everybody enforcing those uh things we

[7:42] already have golf carts that are in

[7:44] multiple neighborhoods and are I'm going

[7:47] to say the word problematic but they're

[7:48] problematic they ride on the sidewalk

[7:49] they're out on the street they have kids

[7:50] riding etc etc how will that solve this

[7:54] problem because that's illegal currently

[7:56] so how does this help change that which

[7:59] is already happening

[8:01] um

[8:02] and have you gone around to any

[8:04] neighbors the neighborhoods that will be

[8:05] affected uh and said you know this is

[8:08] what we're thinking this is what we're

[8:09] looking at what do you propose I live on

[8:12] Oviedo in a park I figure that's one of

[8:14] the areas that's it's already has golf

[8:15] carts come through

[8:17] some of them street legal which is

[8:19] currently legal if you have a Street

[8:20] Legal golf cart

[8:22] you can drive that currently

[8:24] so you're adding in what looks like

[8:26] almost Street Legal golf carts if you

[8:28] look at the definition of what you need

[8:30] to have it and then a license from the

[8:32] city

[8:34] um if you want to designate certain

[8:35] areas that are allowed and those areas

[8:37] want it I'm all for it but that would be

[8:41] the step to me not

[8:43] broaden compassing and then trying to

[8:45] come back and say well these areas don't

[8:47] like it thank you for your time thank

[8:49] you sir

[8:54] okay next up I have a Donald Terry

[9:03] hi uh thank you for allowing me to speak

[9:06] Donald Terry 1911 silverweed way

[9:10] I live across the street from the mall

[9:12] and the townhouses I was here previously

[9:16] at the zoning board talking about the

[9:18] units that are being developed in front

[9:21] of the mall and that strip on the

[9:23] boulevard I would like to address this

[9:26] 557 unit multi-family residents

[9:29] developed next door to the dwell

[9:33] so we got the dwell which is 300 units

[9:37] let's say so that's 600 cars so now you

[9:41] want to add a

[9:43] 557 unit I mean that's a big amount of

[9:47] people so that's 1100 cards

[9:51] and the only way in and out is Sugar

[9:53] Mill or is there going to be another way

[9:56] in or out that little that other little

[10:00] street that goes to West Broadway I mean

[10:03] Maggie new had told me that that would

[10:05] be one of the exits for the dwell

[10:08] but I don't see another way out for this

[10:11] 557 unit

[10:14] monstrosity that you're putting up in

[10:17] another Woods I mean

[10:19] I understand this is Florida you need to

[10:22] develop there's rules about development

[10:25] but does it have to be so massive

[10:27] I mean I understand it has to be so big

[10:30] it covers the expenses for the developer

[10:33] covers a lot of things for the developer

[10:35] it'll be very profitable with that many

[10:37] units but I mean

[10:40] it reaches a point here in Oviedo where

[10:43] there's not going to be any woods

[10:45] anywhere it's just going to be

[10:47] wall-to-wall Apartments retail Banks

[10:51] dentist office

[10:53] the traffic

[10:55] so you put up a light where there's

[10:57] Sugar Mill

[10:59] off of a Rita of of you know Mall

[11:03] Boulevard but if you're driving east

[11:06] from the mall over 417 and you want to

[11:09] turn in a Sugar Mill there's no turning

[11:11] lane

[11:12] what are you going to do with 1100

[11:14] people who want to get into

[11:16] those the dwell and the other new unit

[11:19] it says here there's no uh expense for

[11:24] improvements to the developer

[11:27] uh can't they pay for something

[11:31] um so I I'm very much against this

[11:36] of course I don't have very much support

[11:38] I have one other guy here who who agrees

[11:42] with me

[11:43] um and I presume then there's another

[11:45] public meeting after this September one

[11:47] or something like that do I need to

[11:49] bring more people to get a voice

[11:51] um I don't know it's you read in on

[11:54] Facebook all the time oh there's too

[11:56] much development too much development

[11:57] Oviedo but

[11:59] no one shows up no one cares I don't

[12:03] know

[12:04] it's when I moved here 12 years ago was

[12:07] a little teeny town no traffic now you

[12:10] could barely make a turn you can't pull

[12:12] a lot of Culver's those little retail

[12:15] shops in West Broadway that have the

[12:17] drill behind it you can't pull a lot of

[12:19] those it's very hard to pull into those

[12:21] so I don't know

[12:25] it reaches a point where it's absurd I

[12:28] think and 550 units just sounds like a

[12:31] monstrosity that's all I have to say

[12:33] thank you great thank you

[12:39] I have two for the resolution do you all

[12:41] want to speak at the resolution

[12:48] okay next up is the consent agenda what

[12:51] is the pleasure of council I move we

[12:53] approve the consent agenda but take

[12:55] number nine separately please

[12:58] so uh approved consent agenda items

[13:01] number four through eight please

[13:04] which one which one you want to remove

[13:06] uh item nine nine

[13:09] second

[13:10] all right I have a motion in a second

[13:12] any discussion

[13:15] [Music]

[13:17] okay

[13:18] so the motion is to approve agenda

[13:21] except removing number nine

[13:23] number nine would go into

[13:26] discussion item

[13:29] that would be number uh

[13:31] attendee or 9A no Stephanie mayor just

[13:35] make it 9A and we'll consider it

[13:38] separately okay

[13:41] okay so we had the motion and a second

[13:43] all those in favor say aye aye

[13:47] okay now let's do 9A

[14:00] and not for no need on my end to do a

[14:03] big formal presentation I read the

[14:05] packet so I've just hoping we can

[14:07] consider it separately oh thank you

[14:12] okay so we get resolution number

[14:15] 4366-23 FY 2022 23 Florida recreational

[14:19] development assistance program Grant

[14:21] application for Riverside Park

[14:24] Mr Cobb how shall we proceed uh thank

[14:27] you Deputy Mayor this is request for

[14:29] Council to approve the submittal of a

[14:32] Grant application for the Ferd app the

[14:35] Florida Recreation development uh

[14:39] I'm not sure on the AP but it's it's a

[14:42] recreation Grant to the State of Florida

[14:44] and to authorize a work order with rmpk

[14:47] funding who is our grant writer for uh

[14:50] four thousand dollars for the

[14:51] preparation in the submittal of the

[14:53] Grant application the Grant application

[14:55] is for Riverside Park and still new

[14:58] improvements to the uh multi-purpose

[15:01] field down below where The Pavilions are

[15:04] also to bring in picnic areas as well as

[15:07] create an official dog park which we

[15:09] know from past history that a lot of

[15:12] folks use that area as a unofficial doc

[15:15] Park and so the staff is looking at the

[15:17] idea of actually creating a smaller

[15:19] version of the BART card which is up at

[15:21] Shane Kelly Park uh and then also to do

[15:24] some resurfacing of the uh of the

[15:27] parking lot uh Mr Mr Belden is here uh

[15:30] to answer any questions the city's

[15:33] policy requires Council approval for us

[15:35] to be able to submit the application so

[15:37] that's why we have this on the agenda

[15:39] tonight we're seeking your approval to

[15:41] submit the application it is a four

[15:43] hundred thousand dollar Grant uh the

[15:45] first grant program requires the city

[15:48] fund to fund the full 400 000 up front

[15:52] and then after the Project's done we

[15:54] would seek reimbursement for two hundred

[15:56] thousand dollars it's sort of a

[15:57] one-to-one funding ratio

[16:00] um Mr Bill is there any other items that

[16:02] we need have I covered everything

[16:04] okay so uh it's recommended that city

[16:06] council adopt resolution number 4366-23

[16:11] okay

[16:14] well it's a pleasure of council

[16:16] [Music]

[16:19] Mr chairman I'll move to approve

[16:21] resolution number 4366-2-3

[16:26] oh second it

[16:27] all right Motion in a second any

[16:29] discussion oh Brian did you say is this

[16:32] a one-to-one match it is it's uh so the

[16:36] state Grant is for 200 000 the city's

[16:38] match would be 200 000 okay yes all

[16:41] right

[16:42] I think that's all I had to be cleared

[16:45] up I've

[16:48] is the four thousand dollars for the

[16:50] preparation is that a standard fee for

[16:53] for a new Grant uh yes for our for our

[16:56] grant writer to produce that he what he

[16:58] will do is if you prepare the grant

[17:00] itself submit it but then he'll also dog

[17:02] it through the process of addressing any

[17:05] type of questions that the state may

[17:06] have and then he also assists us on the

[17:09] back end once if we are if we get funded

[17:11] then he also assists us with the reports

[17:14] medals uh our annual report submittals

[17:17] after we get the grant okay

[17:19] that sounds like money well spent is are

[17:22] we going to need to uh notify our

[17:24] lobbyists

[17:25] for any help with this we usually do uh

[17:28] anytime that we submit a grant we also

[17:29] let Mr commodity know so that there's

[17:31] anything that he can assist with okay

[17:33] thank you okay

[17:36] Mr Belden I've got a question for you uh

[17:39] so I mean we're we're taking 200 000

[17:44] basically out of out of our our city

[17:47] funds to to take to

[17:50] work on these projects this was an area

[17:53] that was completely underwater when the

[17:56] the hurricane came through well these

[17:58] improvements if something like that were

[18:00] to happen again with these improvements

[18:02] be

[18:03] destroyed

[18:05] with the improvements to the

[18:07] multi-purpose field we're not looking to

[18:09] put Bermuda in there we're trying to

[18:10] make it a re-leveled surface regrading

[18:13] new Turf just providing that safe and

[18:17] more usage of a field for like the

[18:19] soccer groups our flight football

[18:21] program lacrosse teams and possibly you

[18:24] know bring that up a little bit but make

[18:25] it more level we'll provide that space

[18:27] since Shane Kelly and osc are a

[18:29] primarily a shutdown facility for our

[18:31] contractual youth organizations so then

[18:33] the dog park we're trying to put

[18:35] elements within it that aren't going to

[18:37] be washed away or destroyed through

[18:38] future flooding you know knock on wood

[18:40] we're not going to get the storm again

[18:41] so we're being very cautious with what

[18:44] we're you're not going to raise the

[18:45] elevation of the surface okay I thought

[18:48] I heard that and then with the park

[18:49] amenities the park amenities within the

[18:51] or around The Pavilions and around the

[18:54] facilities they're deteriorated we've

[18:56] requested it through our CIP program

[18:57] they're rusted out we feel that this

[19:00] gives us an opportunity to refurbish

[19:01] those amenities picnic tables trash

[19:03] receptacles and park benches with a

[19:06] multi-purpose field but also Around The

[19:08] Pavilions surrounding that Park okay so

[19:10] so for the most part I mean the These

[19:13] funds are going to something that even

[19:15] if it was underwater it when the water

[19:17] water receded that it would still be I

[19:20] feel that this is uh improving our Parks

[19:22] infrastructure perfect in addition to

[19:24] improving the facility okay okay all

[19:26] right thank you thank you okay if you

[19:29] asked pre-asked a lot of a lot of my

[19:31] questions uh so that's one of my

[19:33] concerns and the other is I like that

[19:35] that field is just a free-for-all and

[19:38] that it's not formal and that people can

[19:40] go and their dogs can use it or anybody

[19:42] can use it so I'm a little bit hesitant

[19:44] to create something that may be rentable

[19:46] because there's very little space that's

[19:49] just free play space and and I I like

[19:52] the idea of keeping that free play space

[19:55] and if we have to redo our our all the

[19:58] stuff that's under The Pavilions anyway

[20:00] this does seem like a sensible thing so

[20:03] a question though if we do get the 200

[20:05] thousand dollars and it comes back and

[20:07] it turns out that getting the parking

[20:09] lots fixed and the other things besides

[20:12] formalizing the field and maybe

[20:14] formalizing a dog area if it comes in

[20:17] lower are we are we allowed to do the

[20:20] less than because half off coupon we

[20:22] still have to pay the half so I'm

[20:24] hesitant to pay more than what what the

[20:27] community collectively traditionally if

[20:29] we do not expend what we sought after

[20:31] then we would just get a less

[20:33] reimbursement back from the state okay

[20:35] okay perfect

[20:37] all right thank you all right

[20:39] with a motion on a second all those in

[20:41] favor say aye aye

[20:44] okay so that passes

[20:47] okay we have no public hearings

[20:50] we have the first reading of the

[20:52] ordinances first one up is

[20:56] 1736

[20:59] this Cobb we provide a brief

[21:02] introduction we need the attorney first

[21:05] resolution audio ordinance all right

[21:10] Mr Deputy Mayor if we could I

[21:14] resolution 43 58 23 I mentioned it prior

[21:18] to the meeting that we may need to move

[21:20] that up to public hearings the item does

[21:23] require a public hearing so I was

[21:25] wondering if we could move that item and

[21:27] do that now under public hearings rather

[21:29] than waiting until resolutions to do

[21:31] that item there was a all right and we

[21:35] don't need to schedule that

[21:37] yeah go ahead and do it now the public

[21:38] hearing has already been advertised and

[21:40] noticed all the notice requirements have

[21:42] been fulfilled it it was just something

[21:44] that happened when when it was being

[21:46] input into the system uh there is a

[21:48] there is a check box for public hearing

[21:51] I have a feeling what happened was

[21:52] public comment got got checked under

[21:54] resolutions you get two choices public

[21:56] hearing or public comment I think you

[21:58] get the public comment got checked and

[22:00] so it went down into the resolution

[22:01] section of the agenda but if we could do

[22:04] that now as a public hearing and I would

[22:06] need you to actually open and close the

[22:07] public hearing as part of this

[22:10] okay so we will open a public hearing

[22:12] here for resolution number 43 58-22

[22:16] street light assessment rate

[22:19] which is item number 14. so if anybody

[22:21] in the audience is looking at an agenda

[22:23] sheet item 14 just moved to sort of like

[22:26] it's in between 10 and 11. so it's 10A

[22:28] Mrs Ross can you read my title only

[22:43] a resolution of the city of Oviedo

[22:46] Florida relating to the delivery and

[22:48] funding of Street lighting services

[22:50] within the city amending ratifying and

[22:52] confirming the final rate resolution for

[22:55] fiscal year

[22:56] 2023-2024 determining that that certain

[22:59] real property is specially benefited by

[23:02] Street lighting Services approving the

[23:04] assessment role providing the method of

[23:07] collection and providing for

[23:09] implementing administrative actions

[23:10] scrivener's errors conflict separability

[23:12] and effective date

[23:15] this cop can give us a brief

[23:16] introduction yes thank you Deputy Mayor

[23:18] I ever since we instituted the street

[23:20] Life program one of the requirements of

[23:22] the state statute is that every year we

[23:24] need to recertify the tax roll and the

[23:26] reason we need to do that is because

[23:28] every year we have new people moving

[23:30] into the City and so it is what the

[23:32] statute says is that you have to provide

[23:34] notice to anyone who is receiving this

[23:36] for the first time so any new residents

[23:38] have to be have to receive a notice and

[23:41] so what what we have to do is part of

[23:43] that process is that we have to

[23:45] recertify the tax roll that's what this

[23:47] resolution does it re-certifies the tax

[23:49] roll for the coming year and then it

[23:51] also maintains the uh

[23:54] the fee at the 78 dollars and uh

[23:58] 13 cents yeah 78 and 13 cents it

[24:01] re-adops the the fee as well so there's

[24:04] no change in the fee this year and uh

[24:06] but that's what this pretty much is is a

[24:09] recertification of the tax roll for the

[24:11] impact for the street light district and

[24:13] so it's recommended that you conduct a

[24:15] public hearing and adopt resolution

[24:17] number 4358-23

[24:20] okay

[24:22] yes sir I'll make a motion to uh adopt

[24:25] resolution

[24:26] 4358-23 oh we've got to do public

[24:28] hearing questions yeah

[24:30] okay so no it's okay

[24:33] I have no written requests obviously for

[24:35] this is there anybody in the audience

[24:37] that wish to speak on the subject

[24:42] and by not trying to do a fake head Bob

[24:46] okay I will close the public record or

[24:48] public comment

[24:51] what is the pleasure at councils

[24:53] Mr chair I'll make a motion to approve

[24:55] adopt resolution number 4358-23

[24:59] second all right I have a motion in a

[25:02] any discussion

[25:04] yeah I just Brian as far as the street

[25:08] light uh

[25:10] count we set that up to pay the electric

[25:13] bill and then to do improvements are we

[25:15] are we on schedule for all the

[25:17] improvements that we've planned I

[25:19] believe we are I mean the fee pays for

[25:21] what the fee does it pays for the

[25:23] maintenance Leasing and the electricity

[25:26] for all of our street lights and it also

[25:30] has some money set aside for Capital

[25:32] and the city has been very aggressive

[25:34] over the past few years in getting

[25:36] retrofitted into the different

[25:38] neighborhoods uh the most recent one was

[25:40] where we were operating in Alafaya woods

[25:42] and Twin Rivers was the big retrofit

[25:44] there and we also did the we couldn't

[25:47] install the lighting up on the North

[25:49] side of Lockwood Boulevard

[25:50] as far as I know as we mentioned in our

[25:53] staff report

[25:54] we still need to do Lockwood South

[25:58] and that's that's another retrofit on

[26:01] the Lockwood South and then looking at

[26:03] doing some

[26:05] conversions in the Oviedo on the Park

[26:08] area to go to uh to get every all of the

[26:11] lights to the

[26:13] um LED because some of the lights in the

[26:15] video on the park aren't LEDs we need to

[26:17] get them get them all to LEDs so those

[26:19] are two of the projects that we need to

[26:20] do we're still going to be looking at

[26:21] areas where we don't have lighting so

[26:24] that we can fill in and but we're doing

[26:28] it as the um as we have you know Capital

[26:31] funds available for us to do it uh

[26:33] thankfully uh

[26:35] FPL was great right out of the box they

[26:38] did the East Side they retrofitted the

[26:39] east side of town everything went to LED

[26:42] um and Duke took a little bit longer but

[26:44] now Duke actually has a program similar

[26:46] to

[26:48] um

[26:48] uh Florida FPL they have a similar

[26:52] program now and so even though the Duke

[26:55] retrofits crossed a little bit more they

[26:57] don't cost as much as with initially was

[26:59] quoted to us so it's easier for us to do

[27:01] retrofits in the Duke neighborhoods now

[27:03] as well so yeah I think we are I think

[27:06] we're right on schedule in getting

[27:07] getting the different uh upgrades as

[27:09] well as doing new new capital items okay

[27:12] are we

[27:13] solvent as far as you know I look at my

[27:16] electric bill every month and it's way

[27:18] higher than it was last year do we have

[27:19] enough funds to pay the electric bill oh

[27:21] yes I mean that that is for that is

[27:23] first the you know like I said

[27:24] maintenance Leasing and electricity

[27:27] those are the very first that's the top

[27:28] priorities with this fund it's

[27:30] whatever's left over is how much we have

[27:32] for capital okay thanks

[27:34] okay

[27:37] I'm good you would but I do have I want

[27:39] to make sure everybody in the room knows

[27:41] what's going on because we've got a lot

[27:42] of young people who it's probably their

[27:43] their first time hearing about this so

[27:45] what we're talking about is who pays for

[27:46] the street lights are y'all following

[27:48] this

[27:49] so there is a line on the tax bill

[27:53] for paying 78 dollars or something like

[27:56] that we pay for electricity we actually

[27:59] rent a lot of the the power poles uh and

[28:02] then you know we can put new ones in

[28:04] different ways and sometimes we own them

[28:07] so the new ones we're putting in we're

[28:08] trying to own so we don't have to pay

[28:10] rent on power poles every single month

[28:12] so that's what we're voting on today is

[28:15] not the 78 dollar fee but whether we

[28:18] agree that the tax roll is correct and

[28:22] what the tax roll is is the list of each

[28:26] property in Oviedo and who owns it

[28:29] so we're saying we agree that this is

[28:31] who owns each property and we're going

[28:33] to send them a bill for the right amount

[28:35] based on the formula that was approved

[28:38] previously like five years ago or so

[28:40] so it's kind of a complicated thing and

[28:42] we could talk more later about it but I

[28:44] just want to make sure you know we're

[28:45] talking about lights

[28:47] okay

[28:51] well we're technically we're not allowed

[28:54] to do questions in public comments but

[28:55] after the meeting if you can stick

[28:56] around or email one of us yep

[28:59] okay so I have a motion in a second what

[29:01] is the favor of council

[29:03] oh I'm sorry oh those in favor say aye

[29:07] aye aye opposed

[29:08] okay

[29:10] stumbling along here

[29:12] thank you deputy mayor for accommodating

[29:14] us on that we appreciate it

[29:18] okay next up we have

[29:21] ordinances

[29:22] [Music]

[29:28] and the ordinance we have up here we're

[29:31] in 1736 Mr Ross we read the orange by

[29:34] title only

[29:38] [Music]

[29:39] map of approximately 13.81 acres of land

[29:43] generally located approximately 476 feet

[29:47] south of Winter Springs Boulevard and

[29:49] approximately 150 feet west of West

[29:52] Broadway street from Office commercial

[29:54] OC to residential R3 providing for

[29:57] conflict separability codification as

[30:00] well as the correction and scrivener's

[30:01] errors and an effective date

[30:04] thank you

[30:05] this cobby gave us a brief introduction

[30:06] yes thank you Deputy Mayor all right

[30:09] this is a zoning map Amendment and so

[30:11] we're City councils asked to change the

[30:13] zoning of the property from Office

[30:16] commercial to R3 residential uh the

[30:19] applicant is proposing to construct

[30:21] multi-family residential on the property

[30:25] multi-family residential is not a

[30:27] permissible use within the current

[30:29] zoning classification and Madeline can

[30:31] you pull up the maps for us and so we

[30:34] can see this is basic the the location

[30:36] if you only you'll need there we go this

[30:38] is the location of the property it's

[30:40] obviously it's located south of Winter

[30:41] Springs Boulevard West of State Route

[30:43] 426 and north of ovina ball Boulevard

[30:46] its primary access is the new Sugar Mill

[30:49] Road that's being currently developed by

[30:51] by the dwell I don't think we could go

[30:53] on to the next one there we go thank you

[30:55] all right the properties feature land

[30:57] use designation is the newly created

[31:00] West Gate

[31:01] designation and the thing about it is

[31:04] that when you have a zoning

[31:05] classification zoning classification the

[31:07] very first thing you ask is is it

[31:09] consistent with the future land use

[31:10] designation the OC zoning designation is

[31:13] not and so uh one of the requests one of

[31:17] the reasons that the applicant is

[31:18] requesting the change to R3 is so the R3

[31:21] is a zoning classification that is

[31:24] consistent with the properties future

[31:26] land use designation

[31:28] manual because the next one all right

[31:30] one of the other things that you look at

[31:32] as well is uh is the zoning

[31:34] classification compatible with

[31:35] surrounding area well you can see to the

[31:37] South you've got PUD you've also got

[31:39] some OC and you've got commercial C2 are

[31:41] surrounding uh this property and so one

[31:45] of the things about the arts for the

[31:46] examine district is that it can be used

[31:48] as a buffer area for between residential

[31:51] and Commercial areas so the the R3

[31:54] zoning district is compatible Madeleine

[31:56] if you'll go to the next next map you'll

[31:58] see the R3 zoning District actually is

[32:00] compatible with the surrounding area

[32:03] with the surrounding zoning Districts

[32:04] The third question you ask is is the

[32:06] permissible use is compatible with the

[32:09] surrounding zoning districts and if you

[32:10] think about the the applicant is

[32:13] proposing to construct multi-family on

[32:15] the property there's multi-family to the

[32:18] South already that's being constructed

[32:20] in it's also compatible with the

[32:22] commercial that is to the East and to

[32:24] the north and so yes the staff in their

[32:27] analysis did find that the the proposed

[32:30] uses within the R3 zoning District are

[32:33] compatible with the surrounding area

[32:36] and so those those are the basic when

[32:38] you're looking at a zoning map Amendment

[32:40] those are the basic tenets that you look

[32:42] at are whether or not to recommend

[32:45] approval obviously the staff they their

[32:47] findings are presented in the supporting

[32:49] data inventory and Analysis uh they

[32:52] recommend approval of ordinance not 1736

[32:54] uh based on the findings in their report

[32:56] the local planning agency conducted a

[32:59] public hearing on Tuesday August 1st and

[33:02] recommended approval recommended

[33:04] adoption of the ordinance there was

[33:06] concern expressed during their public

[33:08] hearing about the connection to oviedo's

[33:11] to Winter Springs Boulevard which we are

[33:13] currently going through addressing with

[33:15] our Mobility plan

[33:17] tonight it's recommended that the city

[33:19] council

[33:21] schedule of public hearing for September

[33:23] the 7th 2023.

[33:26] great thank you

[33:28] is the applicant present

[33:30] would you like to say a few words

[33:35] my name is David axle axle real estate

[33:37] 1757 West Broadway Street Oviedo and as

[33:42] this is just first reading I won't make

[33:45] any comments I am here to ask answer any

[33:47] questions and if there's any public

[33:49] comment to address that so I ask that

[33:51] you proceed and schedule the public

[33:52] hearing for the next meeting thank you

[33:57] we did have one written request which we

[33:59] already did is there anybody else that

[34:01] did not send a written request at one to

[34:03] speak on the subject

[34:06] CNN

[34:08] move on

[34:10] what is the pleasure of council

[34:13] Mr chair yes I'll make a motion to

[34:15] schedule a public hearing for September

[34:17] 7th 2023.

[34:19] second all right I have a motion and a

[34:22] second any discussion

[34:24] um Mr axel

[34:30] the 557 dwelling units is that is that

[34:33] what's being proposed

[34:34] So today we're just doing zoning and as

[34:37] part of that process you have to project

[34:40] a certain amount and compare it to the

[34:44] prior use

[34:45] so we attempted to use maximum but it

[34:48] came out slightly lower because as we

[34:51] were working through the application we

[34:53] got new Wetland surveys so I would

[34:56] venture to say there's there's some

[34:58] slight difference in the I think the

[35:01] third set of numbers from the second set

[35:03] of numbers what's likely to occur but

[35:05] it's part of the site approval is less

[35:08] than half this amount but today we're

[35:11] just here about the zoning and we also

[35:14] had to apply for school capacity so the

[35:17] analysis had to be done on a number and

[35:19] we tried to use the 50 units per acre

[35:21] that the land use allows and there was a

[35:23] little snafu in the math that's all

[35:25] right does that answer the question yes

[35:27] thank you

[35:28] okay

[35:30] any further discussion

[35:32] well there there's a couple of things

[35:33] that bug me about this and none of them

[35:36] can we do anything about

[35:38] we do not control

[35:41] where students are zoned to go to school

[35:44] that is exclusively the jurisdiction of

[35:47] the school board

[35:49] so it really bugs me that there's no

[35:51] capacity for these students to go

[35:54] without a bus to Lawton Elementary and

[35:56] that they would probably have to be

[35:57] buzzed pretty far but we can't say no on

[36:00] account of that and we're not saying yes

[36:01] or no at all today so just as a matter

[36:04] of procedure for all the people in the

[36:06] room you're hearing stuff about like hey

[36:09] should we build allow somebody to build

[36:12] 550-something Apartments well why aren't

[36:14] we voting on that what we're doing is

[36:15] voting to have a second hearing to vote

[36:18] about it at another later time

[36:20] and we had one person come and speak out

[36:22] against it so there will be one more

[36:24] chance only one more chance for the

[36:25] public to come and and express concern

[36:28] and we've got some pretty high bars to

[36:31] overcome because there's this thing it's

[36:33] like the constitution of land use called

[36:35] the comprehensive plan and the current

[36:37] zoning has to be compatible with that so

[36:41] the constitution of land use says it has

[36:44] to be something other than what it is

[36:47] so the landowner came and said hey we

[36:50] want to make it something that matches

[36:52] what's allowed so we're we're going to

[36:56] have a quasi-judicial hearing where we

[36:58] kind of act like a court next month so

[37:01] come back for the stunning conclusion to

[37:03] all of this because all we're voting on

[37:05] today is whether to have a hearing a

[37:08] second hearing on this next month so all

[37:12] these vote like you're hearing all these

[37:13] votes and we're voting on these really

[37:14] obscure technical things so hopefully

[37:17] you're kind of catching on to some of

[37:19] that but I want to make sure

[37:21] everybody knows that

[37:23] very good so we have a motion in a

[37:25] second all those in favor say aye aye

[37:27] opposed all right so that was not a vote

[37:31] to allow the apartments that was a vote

[37:33] to have a second hearing

[37:46] okay next up we have ordinance number

[37:48] 1737

[37:51] Ross can you read that by title only

[37:55] an ordinance of the city of Oviedo

[37:58] Florida pertaining to the use of golf

[38:00] carts upon designated roads within the

[38:03] city of Oviedo subject to specified

[38:05] restrictions and the provisions of state

[38:07] law providing for legislative purposes

[38:09] findings and intent providing for

[38:12] definitions providing for the

[38:13] designation and prohibition of roads and

[38:16] the potential addition of Roads

[38:17] providing for authorized means of

[38:20] Youth and prohibited and unlawful means

[38:23] of use providing for signage only as may

[38:26] be required by state law providing for

[38:28] enforcement penalties and collections

[38:31] providing for implementing

[38:32] administrative action

[38:34] providing for a savings provision

[38:36] providing for conflicts providing for

[38:38] severability providing for codification

[38:41] as well as the correction of scrivener's

[38:43] errors in providing for an effective

[38:44] date

[38:45] thank you Mr kyleby give us a brief uh

[38:48] introduction all right thank you Deputy

[38:50] American yes the council has asked to

[38:51] adopt what we call the golf cart

[38:52] ordinance and what this will do this

[38:55] ordinance establishes that golf carts

[38:57] will be permissible forms of

[39:00] Transportation on on city streets that

[39:04] um

[39:04] have a posted speed limit of less than

[39:07] 30 miles per hour or less

[39:10] I it also establishes that the golf

[39:15] carts can only be operated on the

[39:17] roadways that are designated and but

[39:20] they cannot be performed operated on

[39:22] state or County roadways unless they are

[39:25] crossing at a signalized intersection

[39:28] there are some streets that we did say

[39:30] yes they can't be used on they're mainly

[39:32] our primary roadways uh I know it was

[39:36] mentioned about Chapman Road Chapman

[39:37] Road East which is a local Street and

[39:40] has a speed limit of 25 it's eligible

[39:43] it's Chapman Road West that goes from

[39:45] 434 to 426 which is four lanes and has a

[39:48] speed limit of 40 that we said no don't

[39:51] operate on that one so

[39:54] um

[39:55] I remember that was mentioned as well

[39:57] and so we also have requirements that

[40:00] you need to have a driver's license or a

[40:03] learner's permit

[40:04] and that the if you do have a learner's

[40:07] permit then you have to have somebody

[40:08] who is 21 or older and has a driver's

[40:11] license sitting next to you while

[40:13] operating the um

[40:15] operating the golf cart golf carts also

[40:17] if you to be operated on private

[40:19] property they have to have the owner's

[40:21] permission to be operated on the private

[40:22] property and that they are not operate

[40:24] authorized to be operating on the

[40:26] sidewalks or the bicycle pass or the

[40:29] trails our Trails have regulations that

[40:32] you can't put a motorized vehicle on

[40:33] them unless it's like the county doing

[40:35] maintenance on it so tonight is the

[40:38] first reading of the ordinance and it is

[40:41] recommended that the city council

[40:43] schedule public hearing for September

[40:45] the 7th 2023.

[40:47] okay

[40:49] we had the one written request already

[40:51] speak uh is there anyone who did not

[40:54] turn a request that would like to speak

[40:58] okay seeing none we will move on

[41:01] what is the pleasure our Council Mr

[41:03] chair yes I'll make a motion to schedule

[41:06] a public hearing for ordinance number

[41:07] 1737 on September 7th 2023

[41:12] second okay Motion in a second any

[41:14] discussion

[41:15] now we can save it for September 7th

[41:19] I think we should not save it for

[41:21] September 7th I had a lot of the same

[41:23] concerns as Mr shank has already brought

[41:25] up and I I don't fully understand how

[41:28] what we are doing is any different from

[41:31] the state level law other than the state

[41:34] level law did mention that we have to

[41:36] designate certain roads as safe like it

[41:38] seems like we can designate additional

[41:40] roads and safe Beyond

[41:42] what the state law says and I'm

[41:45] scrolling through because I asked a

[41:47] couple of yes no questions related to

[41:49] this item and I'm scrolling through just

[41:50] to make sure that I understood some of

[41:52] the the questions how they were answered

[41:55] and so Madam mayor I was the one that

[41:58] that brought this this subject up

[42:00] initially and the the reason I brought

[42:02] this up was because it's very difficult

[42:05] to register a golf cart you have to get

[42:08] a VIN number

[42:10] um you you know basically what this

[42:12] ordinance is doing is

[42:15] putting all the same state level

[42:18] standards correct me if I'm wrong Chief

[42:20] but it's basically putting all the same

[42:22] state level standards on the golf cart

[42:24] with the exception of actually having to

[42:26] get that VIN number and you know to to

[42:29] get a license tag number so instead of

[42:31] getting a tag for it you get a you you

[42:34] get the the city you know permit for it

[42:38] but it's basically the same thing

[42:41] without having to spend all the money on

[42:43] getting the VIN number and everything

[42:45] we are taking on the city would be taken

[42:48] on all of the safety checks all of the

[42:49] everything else it seems like it we're

[42:52] biting off an awful lot and the state

[42:54] already

[42:55] kind of volunteers to do that for us

[42:58] yeah

[43:04] um

[43:04] uh councilmember you're pretty close on

[43:07] that we followed the state statute on

[43:09] what a low-speed vehicle would be we

[43:11] added a few things one of them statute

[43:14] was just changed to require a driver's

[43:16] license uh for somebody over the age of

[43:20] our learner's permit we incorporate that

[43:23] early on because basically we want

[43:25] somebody to have some Driving Experience

[43:27] preferably a driver it also prevents

[43:29] somebody who may have a DUI and not have

[43:32] a driver's license they they cannot

[43:34] drive one of these on the city streets

[43:35] as well

[43:36] uh uh we incorporated a few more

[43:39] safety features I would call it uh like

[43:42] if you have small children we require or

[43:44] improved child carrier per child animals

[43:48] should be securely fastened we'll leave

[43:50] that up to the owner but if we do

[43:52] require them to be

[43:53] restrained securely it doesn't require

[43:57] registration if you're going to drive it

[43:59] at night you got to have lights

[44:00] headlamps and things of that nature so

[44:03] it is very similar to the low speed

[44:05] vehicle but as you said it does not

[44:07] require

[44:09] somebody to have to take it to the DMV

[44:11] to get it registered and inspect it

[44:14] we're going to require them to do their

[44:16] own Inspections just like you do your

[44:17] own motor vehicle uh you know used to we

[44:21] did inspections in Florida if you've

[44:22] been here long enough but we don't do

[44:23] that anymore you basically ascertain

[44:25] your vehicle is roadworthy and if it's

[44:28] not we stop you we could you can be

[44:30] cited for it as well the same thing here

[44:33] if you're either there'll be a check off

[44:35] list that you you'll attest to that you

[44:38] have this equipment and uh and we'll

[44:42] we'll go in good faith that that's what

[44:43] you have and if you're seeing driving

[44:45] without it you could be cited well

[44:48] um get prohibited on sidewalks same same

[44:50] rules apply as the lbv or low speed

[44:53] Vehicles no sidewalks has to be on the

[44:55] streets it has to be under 30 miles an

[44:56] hour

[44:57] so

[44:59] do we have a a number in mind for what

[45:02] we would charge people to get this

[45:04] thing that lets them not have to get

[45:05] event that's not my uh area I don't know

[45:09] I don't have a number no but uh I

[45:11] figured that would be figured on after

[45:14] everyone once the ordinance or at a

[45:17] later time Chief I I see golf carts all

[45:20] over my neighborhood how are you

[45:22] enforcing the rules on those

[45:25] uh we're not we're not going to be we're

[45:27] not heavy-handed on them because

[45:28] basically uh you're right most

[45:31] neighborhoods they're in them I don't

[45:33] know of a neighborhood that you're not

[45:34] uh and people a lot of people just

[45:36] assume they are legal and this makes it

[45:39] legitimate otherwise right now it's

[45:41] state statutes and it's actually

[45:42] criminal in some cases where if you're

[45:44] letting a 14 year old driver unlicensed

[45:46] motorized vehicle on a roadway that is a

[45:48] criminal offense and I don't think any

[45:51] parent needs to have that you know

[45:53] allegation to charge to them so we do a

[45:55] lot of warning a lot of warning but like

[45:57] most times parents don't always listen

[45:59] to uh to the direction

[46:01] this makes it an easier path to get that

[46:03] done so they don't have the argument

[46:05] that council member Pollock said where I

[46:08] don't I don't have time I don't have the

[46:09] effort to go get it registered at the

[46:11] DMV I don't know you know get a VIN

[46:13] number for it so this makes it a much

[46:16] easier process it's coming through

[46:17] getting getting the registration and

[46:20] playing it on but applying it to the

[46:23] golf cart

[46:26] and the city gets fees for this as

[46:30] opposed to if DMV the DMV soon

[46:35] keep this one last thing in the uh in

[46:38] the staff report talked about uh the

[46:39] traffic surveys that were done um we're

[46:41] here to one resident that was asking

[46:43] about that is that coming from the

[46:44] Planning Group in the traffic studies do

[46:47] you know about the traffic studies

[46:49] uh the

[46:51] we don't have a defined traffic study we

[46:53] looked at traffic studies there's

[46:55] traffic places that have done the same

[46:58] thing we've reached out to them in

[46:59] several of the Cities Stanford's a good

[47:01] example uh how well is their program

[47:03] working what do they have problems with

[47:05] and and several other jurisdictions I

[47:08] think DeBerry was either looking at it

[47:09] or now has it and looking at what would

[47:11] what do they recommend and every one of

[47:14] them said you know keep them in

[47:16] basically the neighborhoods are off off

[47:18] busy thrower Affairs even if you can and

[47:21] you know nobody's had any major issues

[47:25] like any other motorized vehicle if you

[47:27] got the wrong person driving it bad

[47:28] things can happen but they're generally

[47:30] a little bit more cognizant of the

[47:32] vehicles around them because one they're

[47:34] open air you know and they're not

[47:36] they're not they're able to hear

[47:37] everything but they're also know that

[47:39] they're the smaller it's kind of like

[47:40] being a bicyclist on the road I think

[47:42] you could relate to that you pay a lot

[47:44] more attention to what's going around

[47:45] you than you do if you're the the the

[47:47] truck on the road like a Dodge truck or

[47:50] something you know on the roads

[47:51] uh and and so they not really had

[47:55] anywhere we found of any major there's

[47:57] always going to be the crash there's

[47:59] always going to be somebody that did

[48:00] something but as a general rule they

[48:02] provided a pretty safe Avenue to

[48:05] transport around town

[48:07] I guess one last question on on the

[48:10] and it's a great point about having

[48:11] underage kids that drive drive the

[48:13] vehicles I do see it you know in similar

[48:16] neighborhoods that I go through I guess

[48:17] my question would be obviously we'll do

[48:19] whatever you can you know once we get

[48:21] past a hearing if it does pass us to

[48:23] communicate it but not everybody sees

[48:25] the communications those individuals

[48:27] that are pulled over the first time is

[48:29] it a warning is it a citation right away

[48:31] I mean how do you handle the underage

[48:33] kids that are driving them the underages

[48:36] have a a conversation with the parents

[48:38] and say look this is the warning it's

[48:41] going to get very expensive if you

[48:42] continue this on we're trying to keep

[48:44] your kids safe in the neighborhood safe

[48:47] they're not allowed because most of the

[48:49] time they're with their friends and

[48:50] they're driving generally on the

[48:53] sidewalk right you know what I would

[48:54] consider recklessly but not maybe you're

[48:56] a hazard to health but a hazard to

[48:58] everybody else we're not going to be

[49:00] tolerant of it I can tell you that we'll

[49:01] try to get compliance first but if it

[49:04] shows that we've we've been out with

[49:05] them before they'll probably get cited

[49:08] and um and see where it goes from there

[49:10] okay

[49:11] thank you and you have one more question

[49:13] back in 2017 we adopted a golf cart

[49:16] ordinance and my understanding is not a

[49:18] single person registered so it sends it

[49:20] automatically what

[49:23] is different now that we think people

[49:27] will register I mean unless we're really

[49:29] going to push the registering people

[49:31] will continue just to drive the golf

[49:32] carts as they have since 2017. we will

[49:35] probably start an education process

[49:37] where if we see golf carts on the road

[49:38] that aren't registered we'll stop them

[49:40] and inform them they need to be

[49:41] registered it would be a citable offense

[49:43] again much a very expensive citation

[49:46] because that's a state citation

[49:49] um and to gain the compliance the other

[49:52] thing is then it was only on the east

[49:55] side of Lockwood so effectively if you

[49:57] weren't

[49:58] uh you didn't live in the golf course

[50:00] half of Twin Rivers it was not useful to

[50:02] you but you couldn't you couldn't go go

[50:05] anywhere but there but if you're in Mead

[50:08] Manor you can go all of mead Manor you

[50:10] know your sub like Live Oak as an

[50:12] example they could go up to Publix are

[50:15] you saying with a new proposal correct

[50:16] okay because my understanding is they

[50:18] can go beyond that you can go as far as

[50:20] your battery will take you or your I

[50:22] guess you could get a gas powered golf

[50:23] cart as far as there's a 30 mile an hour

[50:25] correct exactly you're like you can't go

[50:27] down Lockwood so anybody Twin Rivers

[50:29] going could not drive down the window

[50:30] but you can Crossroads correct you had a

[50:33] signalized intersection

[50:35] so that that's that's okay and the

[50:38] reason is that's the safest way to cross

[50:39] the street so there are boundaries so

[50:41] you can go only within your neighborhood

[50:43] and then once you hit 419 you're out of

[50:45] luck correct you can't just go alongside

[50:47] it unless and until we are able to build

[50:50] a golf cart so there's a pathway to get

[50:53] there legally okay we looked at every

[50:56] subdivision and see how far they could

[50:58] go

[51:00] um legally even if they had to go way

[51:03] around you know you know a big circle to

[51:06] go down and make it legally some

[51:08] neighborhoods they can go quite far some

[51:11] neighborhoods they can't go that far at

[51:12] all uh it just depends on the

[51:16] on on what road to borders on okay so as

[51:19] long as soon as you hit a 45 or 30 or

[51:21] higher you're kind of capped out

[51:24] so it's you know if there's a signalized

[51:26] light they can cross over to another

[51:29] Street that's under 30 they can keep

[51:31] going so and the goal was kind of look

[51:33] at Oviedo in the park and see how how

[51:35] many people could get to there they had

[51:37] a golf cart like for instance a meat

[51:39] Manor is a good example they can get

[51:40] there you can come down Division Street

[51:43] to Oviedo Boulevard uh you know through

[51:45] the roundabout crossover 419 at the

[51:47] light and make it all the way to Oviedo

[51:49] Boulevard I mean all the way to Oviedo

[51:50] in the park without

[51:52] legally if you're in Alafaya Woods you

[51:55] can get to uh Oviedo on the park because

[51:57] you can come down Alexandria to clearly

[52:00] to uh to again crossover and you're in

[52:03] Oviedo in the park and that's kind of

[52:04] what the focus point was when we were

[52:06] looking at it because that's where our

[52:07] events are and things so they could make

[52:10] it to there not every subdivision is

[52:12] going to I mean the majority of

[52:14] subdivisions can't make it there but as

[52:15] many as we could make it there is how we

[52:17] were looking at it

[52:19] thank you okay

[52:20] great thank you sir

[52:22] all right we had a motion in a second to

[52:25] schedule a public hearing on September

[52:27] 7th

[52:28] all those in favor say aye aye

[52:35] moving on to resolutions we are on

[52:38] resolution

[52:40] 4364-23 there's a Cobb we provide a

[52:43] brief introduction uh yes thank you

[52:45] Deputy Mayor actually Dr Correa is going

[52:49] to provide the staff presentation for

[52:51] this item

[53:01] good evening mayor Deputy Mayor City

[53:04] Council Members this is a request for

[53:07] the city council to approve an end stud

[53:09] story development agreement in a master

[53:11] land use plan for the Lockwood Village

[53:14] shopping center

[53:15] all the sea sections 2.5 is 7 and 11

[53:19] state that the city council shall have

[53:22] final

[53:23] authority over development agreements in

[53:26] muscle induce plan

[53:29] um

[53:29] if we can move to the next step thank

[53:32] you so

[53:34] um this the subject project property is

[53:37] approximately 7.7 Acres along this side

[53:42] of Lockwood next to the intersection

[53:45] with Mitchell hammock

[53:47] it is uh

[53:50] part of the Twin Rivers PUD

[53:53] so the future land use is beauty the

[53:55] zoning is also PUD and the proposed used

[54:00] users are in accordance with the C2

[54:03] zoning District

[54:05] the idea is to create so this is the

[54:09] parcel the big part of the shopping

[54:11] center where where you have the

[54:13] Winn-Dixie supermarket and the idea is

[54:16] to create two Lots now

[54:19] so you have lot one which is the

[54:21] remaining shopping center at around

[54:23] seven acres

[54:25] in log 2 is going to be carved out of

[54:28] the Big Lot for a proposed restaurant

[54:30] for the Longhorn Restaurant if you can

[54:33] move to the next one

[54:35] so this is the site

[54:38] if we can click it should show the new

[54:44] can you

[54:45] yeah so this is the the Longhorn

[54:48] Restaurant being proposed so it's

[54:51] carving out from the big parcel

[54:54] the access points remain the same

[54:57] and it's just

[55:00] um a reorganization of the site

[55:03] internally if you can move forward

[55:06] so this is the site this is the

[55:09] um

[55:11] we can move forward this is the site

[55:13] plan so you have the longhorn now with

[55:16] some parking around it so there was just

[55:20] the rearrangement of the parking area

[55:23] moving forward the development agreement

[55:27] um the entitlements are not being

[55:29] changed so they are within the Pud

[55:32] parameters that were approved as I said

[55:35] the permissible uses are going to be the

[55:37] ones according to the C2 it's just a

[55:39] single phase project and the development

[55:42] agreement allows for modifications for

[55:44] standards to be negotiated while we're

[55:47] on this slide can you let us know the

[55:48] year in which the original development

[55:50] agreement was approved

[55:53] I do know by 19 like 1990 something yeah

[55:58] 1987. okay thank you I think it's

[56:00] rounding there

[56:02] thank you Mr Kaaba I would not know I

[56:04] know it's it's been a while but I would

[56:06] not know exactly the date the

[56:09] modifications so for the buffer it's we

[56:12] are just so we're keeping the 20 feet

[56:15] um buffer around but internally between

[56:18] the two lots we are excluding the buffer

[56:21] requirements because that doesn't would

[56:22] not make sense the open space is not

[56:25] being reduced so it's still 30 percent

[56:27] overall in the Pud and actually in this

[56:30] particular site they are increasing the

[56:32] open space because they are turning

[56:34] parking spaces into there is now some

[56:37] landscape areas so they are increasing

[56:38] the open space

[56:40] um there are some deviations for

[56:44] landscape islands and

[56:47] these are just really minor deviations

[56:50] from the code if you can move forward

[56:54] um

[56:55] the parking size space for the for the

[56:59] the whole development is being kept the

[57:02] same and the parking

[57:06] counts has been reduced right because

[57:09] now we are creating this restaurant in

[57:11] the in the parking lot so what they are

[57:14] providing now is 272 parking spaces and

[57:17] there is a slide showing you know this

[57:19] the the breakdown

[57:21] the loading the parking space size is

[57:25] still the same but the parking space

[57:27] number is less yeah the size is the the

[57:31] is the footprint the footprint so they

[57:34] have a weird number which is I think

[57:37] it's um

[57:38] um

[57:40] 10 by 18. so our our regular 10 by 20

[57:45] per code

[57:47] in their development agreement they

[57:49] already had a different in a difference

[57:51] from our code and we are moving because

[57:54] we are rewriting the code we are moving

[57:56] to the compact which today what is

[57:58] considered compact

[58:00] which actually is the standard in other

[58:02] jurisdictions which is nine it's nine by

[58:04] 18. so we are keeping the same you know

[58:07] the the number for the for lot one lot

[58:11] two is proposing I think a different one

[58:13] but the packing space is the number of

[58:16] spaces have been reduced and do they

[58:19] still meet the space requirement the

[58:22] parking requirements I will show the

[58:24] next led the slide will have a a

[58:26] breakdown of those

[58:29] um the loading area it's being used for

[58:32] the parking space so the loading is

[58:35] going to be off hours we are also

[58:38] removing the requirement because there

[58:39] is no spillover from lighting and when

[58:44] you have Parcels but because they are

[58:46] internal and they have you know Common

[58:48] parking spaces and parking lots we a lot

[58:51] we are removing those and they have the

[58:55] lot too which is longhorn requested an

[58:58] allowance of 2.5 square feet of building

[59:00] signage for each building Frontage

[59:05] with a maximum of six signs

[59:08] the lot one which is the remaining

[59:12] shopping center is going to also have a

[59:15] tree restoration to kind of restore a

[59:18] little bit the side because with the

[59:19] years some trees are are you know bad

[59:24] and been replaced Etc so they are going

[59:26] to restore

[59:28] next slide please

[59:32] um well the next steps they have a

[59:35] non-state story

[59:37] um subdivision and they're reviewing a

[59:39] site development order uh already under

[59:42] the under review and the architecture

[59:45] has already been approved

[59:46] there should be a slide for can you move

[59:49] forward to see if

[59:51] well this is the land LPA

[59:53] recommendations we should have one for

[59:55] the parking count

[59:57] no so I can explain the parking count we

[1:00:01] have two numbers we have the number that

[1:00:04] was originally approved which is 300

[1:00:07] parking spaces and then with the new so

[1:00:10] what we're doing is that you're removing

[1:00:12] parking spaces and putting a restaurant

[1:00:14] a restaurant demands for more parking

[1:00:16] right so the new parking account would

[1:00:19] be

[1:00:19] 350 something uh parking spaces that

[1:00:23] would be the new one

[1:00:24] required for the code today

[1:00:27] we are again we are reviewing the code

[1:00:29] in the LDC and we are going to be

[1:00:33] reducing those numbers because

[1:00:36] usually we over Park you know the the

[1:00:41] the standard to provide for peak days

[1:00:44] right for Christmas for days that you

[1:00:47] know there is a lot of demand for

[1:00:49] shopping centers so we are kind of now

[1:00:52] bringing more to reality because you

[1:00:55] know we did not want to have a lot of

[1:00:57] parkings a lot of area designated to

[1:01:00] parking spaces

[1:01:01] so this what they are providing today

[1:01:05] which is 273 is a 24 deviation for what

[1:01:09] the code would require

[1:01:11] and that is I had a slide there for this

[1:01:14] breakdown

[1:01:15] and but it's basically a 24 deviation

[1:01:20] so that is that is the major you know uh

[1:01:24] you know in a way deviation that they

[1:01:25] are requesting from the codes

[1:01:27] so with this being two separate lots are

[1:01:35] we going to get into a situation like we

[1:01:36] have over here at Oviedo on the park

[1:01:38] where this is their parking and this is

[1:01:41] their part no it's a shared parking

[1:01:42] agreement so they have cross access

[1:01:44] easements in a shared parking agreement

[1:01:46] that's part of the development agreement

[1:01:48] so everybody can park anywhere

[1:01:51] there isn't a longhorn

[1:01:53] you know specific parking and there

[1:01:56] isn't the rest you know

[1:02:03] you're welcome

[1:02:05] I do have uh two written requests to

[1:02:07] speak the first one is Mr de Matteo

[1:02:15] please state your name and your address

[1:02:19] yes I'm loud thank you Council Connor

[1:02:23] demateo 1009 Pearson Drive Oviedo

[1:02:26] Florida

[1:02:28] council members I am speaking and Mike

[1:02:30] sassy as a citizen now unrelated to Cafe

[1:02:33] panuzos I often talk about the need for

[1:02:35] prioritizing infrastructure over

[1:02:37] development to allow for the smart and

[1:02:40] sustainable growth of Obito it is not a

[1:02:42] question but a fact that oviedo's

[1:02:44] roadways are stressed we see over 20 000

[1:02:47] cars pass through the city every day by

[1:02:49] fdot reports Lockwood alone has an

[1:02:51] annual average daily traffic count of

[1:02:53] over 17 000.

[1:02:55] we can see all the traffic backups at

[1:02:57] the Lockwood and Mitchell hammock

[1:02:58] intersection just as well as the

[1:02:59] Lockwood and Broadway intersections

[1:03:01] whether that's a car stopped in the

[1:03:03] middle of the intersection waiting to

[1:03:04] turn Northbound onto Lockwood or if it

[1:03:06] is the inability of a car to turn across

[1:03:09] the southbound Lanes into the Northbound

[1:03:10] Lanes the traffic on Lockwood is rough

[1:03:13] putting some numbers on this claim at

[1:03:16] the intersection of Lockwood and

[1:03:17] Mitchell hammock there have been 24

[1:03:18] traffic crashes in the last 12 months

[1:03:21] the most recent being less than a month

[1:03:23] ago

[1:03:24] even worse the intersection of East

[1:03:26] Broadway and Lockwood has seen 66

[1:03:28] traffic crashes in the same time period

[1:03:31] the most recent being today

[1:03:34] our roadways are ill-equipped for

[1:03:36] increased traffic flow is an

[1:03:38] understatement

[1:03:39] our roadways can barely withstand our

[1:03:41] current volume and the addition of a

[1:03:42] LongHorn Steakhouse on Lockwood

[1:03:43] Boulevard will undoubtedly exacerbate

[1:03:46] the issues we are already facing on our

[1:03:48] streets even if this council is

[1:03:50] incapable of voting down this Longhorn

[1:03:52] development it should not go without

[1:03:54] saying that it is not in the best

[1:03:56] interest of the community to continue

[1:03:57] the pace of development in the city I

[1:04:00] implore you all to stop and reflect on

[1:04:02] the impact development has beyond the

[1:04:04] monetary

[1:04:06] it can damage our community identity our

[1:04:08] way of life and our safety I further ask

[1:04:11] that this Council and the city officials

[1:04:13] gathered here tonight

[1:04:15] strongly consider hosting public forums

[1:04:17] and appropriate actionable civil

[1:04:19] discourse with our local business owners

[1:04:21] local residents and local groups Beyond

[1:04:23] those during a city council meeting many

[1:04:26] individuals are simply unaware or

[1:04:28] unprepared to voice their concerns in a

[1:04:30] manner that will be able to Spur change

[1:04:31] in the community and I truly believe

[1:04:34] that is unfair in my heart of hearts our

[1:04:37] role as public servants

[1:04:39] in the words of the Constitution is to

[1:04:41] establish justice provide for the common

[1:04:42] defense and promote the general welfare

[1:04:44] this comes in many forms and at its core

[1:04:46] it is ensuring the public is informed

[1:04:48] enough to be able to make informed

[1:04:50] decisions and offer direction to its

[1:04:52] public officials to enact change it

[1:04:54] deems appropriate I fully recognize the

[1:04:57] burden you all Face In Your Capacity as

[1:04:59] council members and I respect you all

[1:05:00] for putting yourselves in that position

[1:05:01] to make tough decisions but as we look

[1:05:04] forward looking towards tomorrow and

[1:05:07] next week and next year we have to

[1:05:09] accept that each of the actions and

[1:05:10] inactions

[1:05:12] we take will all affect us in one way or

[1:05:14] another I do not envy you for the

[1:05:16] decisions you have to make nor do I hold

[1:05:17] any ill will against any of you for what

[1:05:19] is at the end of the day just business I

[1:05:21] do however ask that you listen to the

[1:05:23] concerns of the citizens to ensure that

[1:05:25] this kind of commercialization of our

[1:05:26] great city does not continue beyond

[1:05:29] recognition thank you all very much for

[1:05:31] your consideration and I of course look

[1:05:32] forward to your continued work thank you

[1:05:34] great thank you

[1:05:37] next up I have Miss Delgado

[1:05:47] I am Kalina Delgado at 1004 wheeler

[1:05:51] Place Oviedo

[1:05:53] good evening council members I'm here

[1:05:55] speaking to you on behalf of my family's

[1:05:57] restaurant Cafe panuzos we have been

[1:06:00] lucky enough to serve our Oviedo

[1:06:01] community and have proudly done so for

[1:06:03] the last 15 years we are most definitely

[1:06:06] a family business my dad is the chef my

[1:06:08] sister and cousin are servers my baby

[1:06:10] brother is a host and we think of the

[1:06:12] rest of our staff as family too

[1:06:14] as I'm sure you can imagine we are

[1:06:16] deeply concerned about the proposed

[1:06:18] Longhorn development while we recognize

[1:06:20] we cannot stop the development due to

[1:06:22] the land zoning in the plaza I wanted to

[1:06:24] present my concerns to you for remedy

[1:06:26] unfortunately we were not notified of

[1:06:28] this impending construction with any

[1:06:29] advance notice so we were incapable of

[1:06:31] raising our concerns throughout their

[1:06:33] application and planning process if you

[1:06:36] refer to tonight's packet under the

[1:06:37] exhibits for resolution

[1:06:39] 436423 you will notice that the longhorn

[1:06:42] faces away from panuzos therefore

[1:06:44] panuzos will be in full view of

[1:06:46] LongHorn's back facade although we

[1:06:49] recognize that they will provide some

[1:06:50] fencing and hedging around the dumpsters

[1:06:52] and back door this does not mean that it

[1:06:54] will not affect our own business under

[1:06:55] its current orientation

[1:06:58] having been in the restaurant industry

[1:06:59] for well over a decade we know that no

[1:07:02] amount of fencing will stop the smell

[1:07:03] from radiating outward this in

[1:07:06] conjunction with flies employees on

[1:07:07] break behind the restaurant and the

[1:07:09] inevitable influx of Scavenging birds

[1:07:11] all have the potential to affect our

[1:07:13] patio business which is very prominent

[1:07:15] for most of the year in addition to our

[1:07:17] general foot traffic we know our food

[1:07:19] simply won't be as appetizing to patrons

[1:07:21] with the smell of a dumpster at our

[1:07:23] doorstep to be clear we want to be

[1:07:25] supportive of a growing Oviedo but we

[1:07:27] want to ensure that the growth and

[1:07:29] development is Equitable for all the

[1:07:30] affected parties that said we would like

[1:07:33] to please ask for your help and

[1:07:34] consideration regarding the orientation

[1:07:36] of the restaurant we are asking that the

[1:07:38] freestanding development be rotated 90

[1:07:40] degrees clockwise or counterclockwise to

[1:07:43] reduce the potential impact on our

[1:07:44] family business if rotating the business

[1:07:47] is not an option we would at the very

[1:07:49] least request the dumpsters be relocated

[1:07:51] to another part of the proposed lot

[1:07:54] we know just as well as LongHorn

[1:07:55] Steakhouse that when it comes to the

[1:07:57] service industry Impressions matter this

[1:08:00] includes the quality of the food the

[1:08:01] quality of the staff and the overall

[1:08:03] appearance of the restaurant inside and

[1:08:05] out we feel as though if the tables were

[1:08:08] turned and we were proposing a

[1:08:09] restaurant to be constructed in front of

[1:08:11] a longhorn they wouldn't be happy if our

[1:08:13] dumpsters fenced or not were at their

[1:08:15] front entrance likewise we don't believe

[1:08:17] it's fair that our visibility to and

[1:08:19] from Lockwood will now be separated by a

[1:08:21] building with a view of fenced-in

[1:08:22] dumpsters and hedges

[1:08:24] we fully recognize that this is a big

[1:08:26] ask of you but we do truly feel like

[1:08:28] this is about a big enough issue for our

[1:08:30] business that it should be considered

[1:08:31] for resolution my family has loved

[1:08:34] contributing to Oviedo and we are

[1:08:36] forever grateful for the opportunities

[1:08:37] this city has presented us we want to be

[1:08:40] able to continue that tradition of love

[1:08:41] and Community for many years to come and

[1:08:43] we hope that you council members will

[1:08:45] help maximize our chance to do that

[1:08:47] alongside our new neighbors thank you

[1:08:49] all so much for your time and

[1:08:50] consideration great thank you

[1:08:53] I have no more written requests or to

[1:08:55] anybody that would wish to speak on the

[1:08:57] subject that did not turn in a written

[1:08:58] request

[1:09:01] okay saying none we will close out for

[1:09:03] the record

[1:09:04] what is the pleasure our Council

[1:09:11] Leanne for purposes of discussion move

[1:09:13] we approve resolution 4363-23

[1:09:18] do I have a second I'll second for

[1:09:21] discussion my uh

[1:09:23] iPad's going anywhere around me here so

[1:09:25] I don't have it in front of me okay

[1:09:27] we have a motion of discussion uh Motion

[1:09:29] in a second what

[1:09:31] discussion

[1:09:32] that's a very reasonable request to not

[1:09:35] have the dumpster be in your face thank

[1:09:37] you for bringing that up

[1:09:39] and for proposing a solution is the

[1:09:43] applicant present tonight

[1:09:45] I I think it's a reasonable request can

[1:09:48] you accommodate it

[1:09:50] um unfortunately in that case we do have

[1:09:52] the building owner's approval to put the

[1:09:54] dumpster

[1:09:54] um and the plaza where it's at

[1:09:57] um they are also signing the nsda in

[1:09:59] this case as they are the property owner

[1:10:01] so we've worked with with the building

[1:10:03] owner in this case I get that you've

[1:10:05] worked with the building owner but can

[1:10:07] you of your own free will ask the

[1:10:09] building owner to think about it I'm

[1:10:12] saying the plaza owner again the plaza

[1:10:15] owner yes or are they open to I don't

[1:10:17] think they care where it is I mean

[1:10:20] Longhorn cares where it is in this case

[1:10:21] I would recommend that they speak with

[1:10:23] their tenant on their concerns but we

[1:10:26] have

[1:10:27] that owner of the Plaza's concern so

[1:10:30] what's your role in this

[1:10:32] um we're with Longhorn the development

[1:10:34] yes and then the person who is signing

[1:10:37] this nsda is the owner of the plaza in

[1:10:39] the rear okay

[1:10:41] um

[1:10:42] so are any of those people in the room

[1:10:46] we don't have the

[1:10:48] um the property owner at this time we do

[1:10:50] have a gentleman here that used to be

[1:10:52] the property owner um and they're the

[1:10:54] developer for this as well

[1:10:56] um but I mean Harris can speak to it as

[1:10:58] well they are signing this nsda they

[1:11:00] have reviewed our site plans they are in

[1:11:02] full consent of this okay

[1:11:05] thank you so that puts us in a really

[1:11:09] bizarre situation uh it does look like

[1:11:12] so I guess we need Dr Korea back up here

[1:11:14] to address the extent to which we are

[1:11:19] required to agree to deviations

[1:11:22] uh so back in 1987 or so

[1:11:26] the ability to put something of the

[1:11:29] shape and footprint of Longhorn already

[1:11:31] existed that is not a dispute at this

[1:11:34] time it sounds like there is some leeway

[1:11:38] being suggested from staff

[1:11:41] with regards to the parking spaces so we

[1:11:43] don't have to agree to that the

[1:11:45] developers agreement

[1:11:46] shifting within that module

[1:11:50] then this is a question for our attorney

[1:11:52] we have we do not have discretion to

[1:11:54] shift within the limits of the

[1:11:57] developers agreement is that correct

[1:11:58] because it's a sort of a quasi-judicial

[1:12:00] thing

[1:12:03] a question I'd have to do a little

[1:12:04] research to get you the best answer on

[1:12:06] that okay so where'd this is going to my

[1:12:09] brain is we may need to table this until

[1:12:11] we have more of these answers

[1:12:14] because I think we've got deviations

[1:12:16] that we don't have to Grant

[1:12:19] possibly and if we don't have to grant

[1:12:21] them and an existing person has made a

[1:12:26] kind of a reasonable request even if the

[1:12:28] property owners all agree

[1:12:31] maybe we could have a discussion about

[1:12:33] it anyway mayor I'll be honest it's

[1:12:35] unfortunate that this was not brought to

[1:12:37] the attention of Staff either like a

[1:12:40] long time ago because last time you

[1:12:42] could have just we could have because I

[1:12:44] think relocating a dumpster it's much

[1:12:47] easier than

[1:12:49] um you know shifting Shifting the

[1:12:51] building right that can happen yeah that

[1:12:53] would be completely different it would

[1:12:55] be a different lot it would be a

[1:12:56] different you know configuration it

[1:12:58] changed the whole thing changing a

[1:13:01] dumpster is an easier right I know the

[1:13:04] architecture was already approved so we

[1:13:06] already had that being discussed in the

[1:13:08] previous meeting that was in June but

[1:13:11] it's an easier you know configuration or

[1:13:14] change in a plan especially in so in the

[1:13:17] property owner so this was not

[1:13:20] advertised to the tenants because we

[1:13:22] have the property owner authorization he

[1:13:24] was the one applying right so um and

[1:13:27] that is the reason why we we would not

[1:13:30] you know the city is not obligated to to

[1:13:33] but everything we do is it's on the on

[1:13:35] public records but um

[1:13:38] [Music]

[1:13:40] so I mean staff would be willing to to

[1:13:43] look at the site and see if there is any

[1:13:45] other proposal for a dumpster location

[1:13:48] but

[1:13:50] um we are not the property owners so we

[1:13:52] we cannot

[1:13:53] um

[1:13:55] have the final

[1:13:58] and I guess I've got another question

[1:13:59] for the property owner with this trigger

[1:14:03] re-engineering your site or is this like

[1:14:05] not a big deal

[1:14:07] so how Longhorn works on their dumpsters

[1:14:09] in a specific location which is behind

[1:14:11] the kitchen to prevent those people

[1:14:13] sitting on crates in a parking area and

[1:14:15] so it's all shielded with a wall and

[1:14:17] then with large gates in front of the

[1:14:19] dumpster but that building is configured

[1:14:21] in a certain way where the dumpster has

[1:14:22] to be attached to the building

[1:14:24] additionally if you look at the site

[1:14:26] plan we do have a limited lot space and

[1:14:28] we don't have the ability to go to that

[1:14:30] property owner in the rear because we

[1:14:32] are selling out this prop parcel and

[1:14:34] having a dumpster shared onto their lot

[1:14:36] that's something that they wouldn't

[1:14:38] agree to because then you would have

[1:14:40] tenants you know walking through to the

[1:14:42] rear of the other building for the

[1:14:45] dumpster situation um so we are

[1:14:46] providing dumpster enclosure meeting

[1:14:49] oral architectural and legac

[1:14:51] requirements all of our Landscaping

[1:14:54] except for two islands which is due to

[1:14:56] existing lighting fixtures is also

[1:14:58] meeting Land Development code and then

[1:15:01] the only deviations is in regards to

[1:15:03] parking in those small items that she

[1:15:05] brought up before we did do full parking

[1:15:07] study as well as a traffic study and we

[1:15:09] are within ite trip generation and

[1:15:12] parking generation for this project at

[1:15:13] maximum hours can you point on this or

[1:15:16] somebody point on this where are the

[1:15:18] dumpsters proposed to be yes

[1:15:24] and you can see the gates in front of it

[1:15:26] and then the wall on all sides and then

[1:15:29] the rear doors Okay so

[1:15:35] trees all in that Island

[1:15:38] so roughly how many feet is between the

[1:15:41] the dumpster area and the facade of the

[1:15:45] building to the east

[1:15:54] 100 feet

[1:15:57] and so this is include these have lids

[1:16:01] they're going to be done how often are

[1:16:03] you going to empty the dumpsters

[1:16:07] like twice a week three every day

[1:16:10] twice a week okay if needed they usually

[1:16:13] the the concern I have with with the

[1:16:16] dumpsters is we just had a code

[1:16:17] enforcement action across the street at

[1:16:20] the Tijuana Flats shopping center and I

[1:16:23] mean and that was horrible if that

[1:16:24] occurred here

[1:16:26] that that would that would really be

[1:16:29] detrimental to to the neighbors so in

[1:16:32] this

[1:16:33] imagine this is on the is on the side of

[1:16:35] their kitchen

[1:16:37] concerns in regards to

[1:16:39] um that how they care for the dumpster

[1:16:41] can also become a Florida department of

[1:16:43] health issue because their kitchen is

[1:16:45] right out the back door of that so

[1:16:46] that's obviously something Longhorn is

[1:16:48] really

[1:16:49] adamant about their kitchen safety as

[1:16:52] well as the dumpster being kept in a

[1:16:54] certain way just because of the

[1:16:55] proximity to the kitchen

[1:17:00] Deputy Mayor can we get her name and

[1:17:02] address please oh yes Malaya storm 5404

[1:17:05] Cypress Center Drive thank you or Tampa

[1:17:08] Florida

[1:17:09] thank you

[1:17:12] that's all I've got for now

[1:17:16] okay any further discussion well is

[1:17:18] there was there a suggestion to table

[1:17:20] this because I have the same pretty much

[1:17:22] the same concerns the mayor brought up

[1:17:26] the only viable thing I can see is to

[1:17:29] shift everything to the left and put

[1:17:31] more parking in the rear of the building

[1:17:32] unless in in front of it and I guess

[1:17:35] that means moving things to the

[1:17:38] I guess that would be to the West

[1:17:41] and put some more space between the

[1:17:44] building and the and the existing

[1:17:46] restaurants because it's not just

[1:17:48] panuzos out there there's a couple other

[1:17:49] restaurants on that row too that if I

[1:17:52] understand

[1:17:56] so we had a motion in a second there are

[1:17:58] you saying you want to and I I I would

[1:18:01] like to take back my motion and move

[1:18:03] that we table resolution

[1:18:05] 4364-23 until September 7th so we can

[1:18:09] get the information about

[1:18:12] you know what we are required to allow

[1:18:15] in the form of deviations relative to

[1:18:18] the original developers agreement

[1:18:23] I don't think we're we're not allowed to

[1:18:25] accept anything

[1:18:30] okay I think we can allow I don't know

[1:18:32] what the process is go ahead go ahead

[1:18:35] thanks for everyone's time uh I'm Blake

[1:18:38] McRae uh 2215 Emory Drive Tifton Georgia

[1:18:43] I'm with Stafford development the parent

[1:18:45] company of the developer that is in a

[1:18:48] lease agreement with Longhorn the parent

[1:18:51] company of Longhorn is Dart in

[1:18:53] restaurants

[1:18:54] some of y'all may know Darden is this is

[1:18:57] pretty much their Hometown

[1:18:59] um so I'm sure they take all this in

[1:19:01] consideration just as much as I do I

[1:19:03] know developers come in here and they

[1:19:04] propose things but with a particular

[1:19:06] relationship that we have with Darden at

[1:19:08] this time they're very cognizant of the

[1:19:10] situation and the magnitude of this

[1:19:12] development I just ask that maybe with

[1:19:16] the I know they're still you know

[1:19:18] building permits to be reviewed maybe

[1:19:19] the dumpster enclosure can be noted at

[1:19:22] that time maybe something be worked out

[1:19:23] at that time as well and I'm sure Darden

[1:19:26] they would be okay with you know working

[1:19:27] something out with the city too I know

[1:19:29] we're not just going to just let it ride

[1:19:31] and sweep underneath the rug I'm sure

[1:19:33] they want to address it just as much as

[1:19:34] we want to so we're very concerned about

[1:19:36] that but at the same time we are here

[1:19:39] tonight to uh just thank everyone for

[1:19:41] your time and consideration this has

[1:19:43] been a long process just thanks again

[1:19:45] for your time and just listening to us

[1:19:46] this evening

[1:19:49] Mr Cobb are you going to say something

[1:19:52] uh yes mayor you withdrew your motion

[1:19:56] yes okay

[1:19:58] definitely you don't have a motion on

[1:20:00] the table right now so there's nothing

[1:20:02] to table

[1:20:03] however you can that's true you can

[1:20:06] continue your consideration to a date

[1:20:10] certain and you will need to specify the

[1:20:12] day the mayor recommended September 7th

[1:20:14] but I will tell you those deadlines for

[1:20:17] submittal are coming up in the next few

[1:20:19] days

[1:20:20] um what is it next Monday

[1:20:24] or next Thursday

[1:20:26] September 1st we have to publish

[1:20:29] well it seems like we ought to be able

[1:20:31] to very quickly

[1:20:32] find the answer about you know with the

[1:20:36] deviations and all that good stuff and I

[1:20:38] don't want to hold up the project that's

[1:20:40] that's not the intent here it's let's

[1:20:41] get the information that we're lacking

[1:20:43] as quickly as we can okay one thing

[1:20:45] about it is

[1:20:47] yes there was a what they call it there

[1:20:49] was a development agreement done back in

[1:20:51] 1987 that was for the Twin Rivers PUD

[1:20:54] this is a commercial track within the

[1:20:56] Twin Rivers PUD subsequently there was

[1:20:59] probably at that time because it was

[1:21:01] before I got your a conditional use

[1:21:03] permit which is today's site development

[1:21:05] order that was done for the shopping

[1:21:06] center

[1:21:07] and so those were done the the

[1:21:10] the development agreement for Twin

[1:21:12] Rivers basically says it's C2 it follows

[1:21:14] C2 and that's really all it says doesn't

[1:21:16] get into the detail that we get into

[1:21:18] nowadays with our non-statutorial

[1:21:20] development agreements when you're doing

[1:21:21] a non-state 40 development you're

[1:21:23] establishing minimum standards you're

[1:21:25] not really doing deviations yes they

[1:21:27] look like deviations because it's

[1:21:29] something different from what's in our

[1:21:30] code but for this property you're

[1:21:32] actually setting minimum standards for

[1:21:34] that this applicant did us like with the

[1:21:37] parking this applicant did a study they

[1:21:40] said that there was there was capacity

[1:21:42] to accommodate the lesser of the Lesser

[1:21:45] thing across the entire property this

[1:21:47] does encompass the entire the shopping

[1:21:49] center as well as the long part it

[1:21:50] encompasses everything they did as

[1:21:52] parking study the parking study said

[1:21:54] that there was adequate parking to

[1:21:56] accommodate the restaurant as well as

[1:21:58] the shopping center they did a traffic

[1:21:59] study as well they really didn't have to

[1:22:01] do a traffic study because that was all

[1:22:02] taken care of during the approved back

[1:22:05] in 1987 with the approval of Twin Rivers

[1:22:08] uh so but you can continue it if you

[1:22:11] have questions yes that's within your

[1:22:13] your authority to say we would like to

[1:22:15] continue this then make sure it's to a

[1:22:17] date certain so that then we can get we

[1:22:19] can get the answers to your questions

[1:22:21] for you and get that put back in we have

[1:22:24] two meetings in September September 7th

[1:22:26] which is a Thursday and we also have

[1:22:28] September the 18th so

[1:22:30] so you're saying this is not a 24

[1:22:33] deviation then no not in this case

[1:22:35] you're setting the minimum standard in

[1:22:37] other words you're going to set the

[1:22:38] minimum standard for this development

[1:22:40] that's what you're doing that's what

[1:22:41] that's the difference with the between

[1:22:42] the development agreement and a site

[1:22:44] development order a site development or

[1:22:46] if it was coming for you it would be

[1:22:48] listed as a deviation a 24 deviation to

[1:22:51] the parking regulations but in this case

[1:22:53] you're actually saying that this

[1:22:55] property will have how much 200 257 so

[1:22:58] we're we're making rules right out of

[1:23:02] thin air and that is my concern is that

[1:23:04] we're making rules out of thin air it's

[1:23:06] not out of thin air well no it's based

[1:23:07] on stuff I agree based on studies but we

[1:23:11] don't have to have these be the rules we

[1:23:14] can have different rules because we are

[1:23:17] making them up not making them base

[1:23:19] basing them on but issues not parking

[1:23:21] right the issue is is the dumpster is

[1:23:24] the location so two considerations that

[1:23:26] I wanted to bring one is that this is

[1:23:28] not a a unique situation right in

[1:23:32] Suburban development when you have the

[1:23:34] development sat way back there are

[1:23:36] sometimes out Parcels right so we have

[1:23:39] several examples of that Central Square

[1:23:41] is building the last out parcel right

[1:23:43] the publics have several out Parcels so

[1:23:46] this is not an uncommon situation now we

[1:23:49] can try so for the dumpster if we cannot

[1:23:52] move the dumpster there are landscape

[1:23:54] you know solutions that we can you know

[1:23:57] enhance to to

[1:23:59] trying to to disguise right or to try to

[1:24:02] buffer or like get some fans that have

[1:24:05] to blow towards Longhorns or something I

[1:24:07] don't know we we can work on that so I

[1:24:10] don't know if um because if it's a

[1:24:13] completely rearrangement of the site

[1:24:16] then it's going to be very hard to come

[1:24:18] in September 7th right it feels like

[1:24:21] it's going to be beautiful can Longhorn

[1:24:23] agree to put fans blowing any potential

[1:24:27] smells well

[1:24:28] that's not it I mean we're not Engineers

[1:24:31] here but that's something all we're

[1:24:34] trying to do is we we know that there's

[1:24:36] a there could be a new sense caused by

[1:24:39] the dumpsters and we need to find a way

[1:24:40] a solution to resolve that nuisance but

[1:24:44] we're allowed to put that in this type

[1:24:46] of document that's what I'm saying this

[1:24:48] is such a flexible malleable document we

[1:24:51] can put these things in it and it could

[1:24:54] directly address the one concern

[1:24:57] that I I think we can probably address

[1:25:00] this late in the game which is the smell

[1:25:04] is that something you can just on that

[1:25:06] spot

[1:25:07] say you're cool with

[1:25:11] I feel like that would move over into a

[1:25:14] building permitting type of document

[1:25:15] while the mlup does kind of leave

[1:25:18] availability

[1:25:19] um for us to make deviations from code

[1:25:21] I'm not sure that it sets the

[1:25:23] availability to implement stuff above

[1:25:25] code requirements um so with that being

[1:25:27] said you know we did provide everybody

[1:25:30] as well as staff the parking studies

[1:25:32] support it the parking counts we do meet

[1:25:34] Seminole County code on the parking

[1:25:36] study as well and then we would just ask

[1:25:39] potentially that we could make a

[1:25:41] condition of this approval that we add

[1:25:43] additional landscaping or buffer between

[1:25:47] the trash enclosure and the rear uses as

[1:25:53] a condition of this document

[1:25:55] so how what would that look like from a

[1:25:57] legal perspective we would not

[1:25:59] necessarily approve this document per se

[1:26:01] tonight we would approve a document

[1:26:03] that's slightly modified and we'd still

[1:26:05] have to revisit it on the 7th

[1:26:08] I think that it's a messy mayor um

[1:26:11] procedurally I would like a chance to

[1:26:13] look at it just

[1:26:14] the options are in this specific context

[1:26:17] okay so it sounds like at this point the

[1:26:20] cleanest method is to continue this

[1:26:22] until September 7th I would continue it

[1:26:24] till September 18th that far I don't

[1:26:27] want to that gives them time to research

[1:26:28] it

[1:26:31] can you guys live with the 17th 18th or

[1:26:35] 18th whatever yeah

[1:26:36] I know you don't want to live beyond

[1:26:39] today but yeah no I understand I mean uh

[1:26:42] unfortunately we would not be able to to

[1:26:44] live with it because per our lease

[1:26:46] agreement we have to have government

[1:26:48] approval by a certain date

[1:26:50] and what's your drop dead date like this

[1:26:52] Friday so Friday and your staff has been

[1:26:55] awesome with getting us here and I

[1:26:58] appreciate every one of you guys but it

[1:27:00] is really is it's like it's at that

[1:27:02] point and so as far as certain

[1:27:04] conditions that we can discuss I mean I

[1:27:06] know there's

[1:27:07] um as far as dumpster enclosure you know

[1:27:09] as far as if there's regular maintenance

[1:27:11] associated with that with pressure

[1:27:12] washing and cleaning of the dumpsters uh

[1:27:15] you know disposing getting them

[1:27:17] maintained more often you know we'd have

[1:27:19] to talk to the owner about that but yeah

[1:27:22] we're kind of at that at that critical

[1:27:23] moment that

[1:27:26] 2021 and if we don't get approved this

[1:27:28] week then

[1:27:30] all bets are off it's all done like and

[1:27:32] we're out I mean yes I guess the only

[1:27:34] question I would have in this back to

[1:27:36] staff how did we get to this point we're

[1:27:37] we're at a deadline

[1:27:39] tonight for the for Friday for this

[1:27:42] applicant it seems like this should have

[1:27:43] come to us sooner

[1:27:47] we can only bring when it's ready right

[1:27:49] so yeah but it's ready he has a deadline

[1:27:52] by this Friday I mean so how does that

[1:27:55] happen

[1:27:56] to me everything we do is on the clock

[1:27:58] we did not control the applicants

[1:28:01] right so everything if every time we

[1:28:05] review plans it's on the clock

[1:28:07] today's efficiency 21 8 Days first

[1:28:10] compliance 21 to a second compliance

[1:28:14] 14th when did the applicant turn in the

[1:28:18] proposed like who crafted this I'm

[1:28:20] guessing the applicant crafted the

[1:28:22] non-statutory development agreement when

[1:28:24] did it come in

[1:28:26] so I don't have debates here okay we got

[1:28:29] dates back here somebody's going to jump

[1:28:30] in and tell us

[1:28:32] I don't understand how we have four days

[1:28:35] development review manager the

[1:28:37] application came in in November of 2021.

[1:28:40] so

[1:28:41] this non-statutory development agreement

[1:28:44] has been in our hands for two almost two

[1:28:46] years and it's never been shown to us

[1:28:48] until four days before they have a

[1:28:51] triggered deadline am I understanding

[1:28:54] this correctly

[1:28:56] we've gone through the process where

[1:28:58] they go through review and then they go

[1:29:00] to land planning agency into City

[1:29:02] Council

[1:29:03] I'm talking about this document

[1:29:05] specifically the non-statutory

[1:29:06] development agreement

[1:29:08] when that that not the site plan not the

[1:29:11] architectural I know they've been going

[1:29:12] through different parts of review but

[1:29:14] this the nsda

[1:29:16] uh when did this hit our end

[1:29:21] it was November of 2021 that came in

[1:29:24] there was a period of time where this

[1:29:26] application laid dormant for almost a

[1:29:28] year

[1:29:28] and then they revved it up okay so this

[1:29:32] has been an on our in our court since

[1:29:34] 2021. the application came over here

[1:29:37] just the application not the nsda

[1:29:43] yes so the application comes it's an

[1:29:45] nsga in a conceptual development plan

[1:29:47] right this document the 21 Pages not the

[1:29:50] final one but in the final one not but

[1:29:54] the proposal the application to start

[1:29:56] the process yes the thought to create a

[1:29:58] 21-page or so document that began in

[1:30:01] 2021. at what point did was there a

[1:30:04] draft of what we're looking at now the

[1:30:06] 21 pages

[1:30:09] the the current draft that we have

[1:30:11] or some something kind of close to it

[1:30:14] that would have

[1:30:15] said what the buffers were and all these

[1:30:18] things

[1:30:19] the documents changed over time so the

[1:30:23] most recent where it was close to this

[1:30:26] version is probably back in May or June

[1:30:28] of this year okay so three four months

[1:30:30] maybe yeah and and since then there's

[1:30:33] been some tweaks in language and back

[1:30:35] and forth to make sure that the

[1:30:37] development agreement reported to the

[1:30:39] Twin Rivers ped and some other issues

[1:30:41] that we need to go ahead and iron out as

[1:30:43] far as you know having the proper owner

[1:30:45] and you know little items that we have

[1:30:48] to iron out to make sure that it's ready

[1:30:49] to go to the land planning agency and

[1:30:51] city council okay

[1:30:55] mayor if I may that there is no site

[1:30:58] plan at the moment that's submitted so

[1:31:01] you it is possible if the council once

[1:31:04] wishes to put

[1:31:06] um conditions on the approval of what's

[1:31:09] before you tonight that's that is an

[1:31:11] option if you would like to do that and

[1:31:13] then you can address the further

[1:31:15] concerns in the site plan approval but

[1:31:17] would this site plan necessarily come

[1:31:19] before us they don't have to correct as

[1:31:22] long as there's no deviations

[1:31:24] this is back to the thing we already had

[1:31:26] an issue with so I don't want us to get

[1:31:28] stuck in a spot where this is our last

[1:31:30] bite at the Apple and we don't address

[1:31:33] what would I think is a reasonable

[1:31:34] concern

[1:31:36] yeah unless you have specific requests

[1:31:38] so if you it's to enhance the landscape

[1:31:41] so that it buffers you know any nuisance

[1:31:44] you're laughing at me but I'm serious

[1:31:46] fans that's that gets the smell going

[1:31:50] the right way for sure if you guys can

[1:31:52] agree to fans

[1:31:54] I'm all in tonight

[1:31:58] so why not enclose it with a roof and

[1:32:01] put exhaust fans on it and then if it

[1:32:04] smells under the roof you guys will have

[1:32:05] to do something about it

[1:32:10] you know I don't know this this really

[1:32:12] is impacting existing

[1:32:15] restaurants out there I know you've

[1:32:16] probably worked in good faith but these

[1:32:19] these folks have been here for a long

[1:32:21] time and

[1:32:23] I can't see where it wouldn't impact

[1:32:24] them so we need to do something to try

[1:32:27] to mitigate that

[1:32:30] um

[1:32:31] I mean as of right now she's making a

[1:32:33] phone call to the director of real

[1:32:34] estate for Darden she's the key decision

[1:32:37] maker

[1:32:38] um she can see what asked if they can

[1:32:40] meet with with staff or or the I mean

[1:32:43] tenants the fans I'm I'm very

[1:32:45] open-minded to anything

[1:32:47] um but as we know with anything that's

[1:32:49] mounted outside such as a fan or

[1:32:51] anything like that how long is that

[1:32:52] going to last is it going to break down

[1:32:54] I mean I I totally get it that's the

[1:32:56] same thing with the gates yeah how long

[1:32:58] does it get I mean the gate's going to

[1:32:59] stay closed and they just leave them

[1:33:01] wide open that's right and you get the

[1:33:03] rodents and everything else in there in

[1:33:04] front of the restaurant right no I

[1:33:07] totally get it I totally understand what

[1:33:08] you guys are saying

[1:33:10] um I just feel like maybe during site

[1:33:11] plan review or building permit reviews

[1:33:13] some of that stuff can be addressed we

[1:33:15] can still sit down and have those

[1:33:16] discussions at that time I'm just asking

[1:33:18] for approval with conditions so we can

[1:33:20] move this still forward provide a nice

[1:33:22] sit-down restaurant for the citizens of

[1:33:24] Oviedo so

[1:33:26] is there even a mechanism in our code

[1:33:28] for us to approve condition upon us

[1:33:31] getting to deal with the dumpsters later

[1:33:33] I don't think we have we do okay please

[1:33:36] tell us about this method you could do

[1:33:38] it you could do a motion to adopt with

[1:33:40] the condition that

[1:33:42] the dumpster the dumpster enclosure

[1:33:45] we'll just call it I'll call it

[1:33:46] enclosure the enclosure of the dumpsters

[1:33:48] will have to be addressed at site at

[1:33:51] site development order to

[1:33:54] and it has to come back to council I

[1:33:55] think that staff can't do it on their

[1:33:57] own with increased Landscaping ever how

[1:34:00] you know even like Mr Britton explore

[1:34:02] that option you didn't answer your

[1:34:04] question you know and we wanted to come

[1:34:06] back to us I think do we all want it to

[1:34:08] come back

[1:34:09] versus staff just said oh that's as good

[1:34:12] as it gets I want to be sure that

[1:34:13] whatever solution we come up with

[1:34:14] actually works and that it's done

[1:34:18] I will say this coordination of the

[1:34:20] tenants you can insert language into the

[1:34:23] development agreement that the site

[1:34:25] development order must be approved by

[1:34:26] Council okay but you can't impose it on

[1:34:29] them they have to agree to it the

[1:34:31] agreement isn't it is an agreement they

[1:34:34] have to agree to the conditional

[1:34:35] language being added to the added to the

[1:34:37] nsda okay that their side plan will be

[1:34:40] approved by Council if they don't agree

[1:34:42] to it then we'll write back to I would

[1:34:43] say continuous okay but can I can I ask

[1:34:48] the applicant question real quick yes so

[1:34:50] you said that it has to be approved by

[1:34:52] the governing body by Friday right

[1:34:56] but it's not getting approved because

[1:34:58] the site development order or the the

[1:35:02] um final engineering does this allow a

[1:35:04] closing to occur is that that the bench

[1:35:06] Mark year ma'am I'm sorry does this

[1:35:09] allow a closing to occur like you get

[1:35:10] the nsda then everything is set so you

[1:35:12] can begin your real estate moving okay

[1:35:15] so you're you're working towards a

[1:35:16] closing correct right okay and this is

[1:35:19] your deadline on Friday so if we approve

[1:35:21] it uh subject to uh adding language that

[1:35:25] the site plan will come before this body

[1:35:27] to make sure that we're cool with the

[1:35:29] dumpster resolution at a later date will

[1:35:31] that get you where you need to go

[1:35:34] I can't really answer that I don't know

[1:35:36] if uh she's she's probably on the phone

[1:35:38] with somebody trying to figure out what

[1:35:39] she's probably talking to a person that

[1:35:40] probably needs to be here to tell us yes

[1:35:42] or no uh unfortunately Madam I'm I'm

[1:35:44] unable to answer that part so

[1:35:47] um so I'm sorry okay well well can we

[1:35:52] can we do this and give them some time

[1:35:54] and let's you want to talk about the

[1:35:58] discussion item and then we can come

[1:36:00] back to this while you guys uh actually

[1:36:03] she's coming back now yep

[1:36:10] you're on the hot seat

[1:36:12] sorry so where we are right now is uh

[1:36:16] proposing language to approve this

[1:36:19] roughly as it is but added a provision

[1:36:21] if you guys will agree to it that the

[1:36:24] site plan uh the site development order

[1:36:27] will return to council so we can make

[1:36:30] sure we're comfortable with the the way

[1:36:31] the dumpsters are addressed

[1:36:36] so it's so the question that was then

[1:36:39] it's site plan not the site development

[1:36:41] oh that okay

[1:36:49] happy to me if I could re request that

[1:36:53] this is bumped to the last item and we

[1:36:55] can have a meeting even with the

[1:36:57] panusa's representative to see if we can

[1:37:00] have any kind of agreement you know that

[1:37:02] would be good okay all right okay I

[1:37:04] think we're in agreement there all right

[1:37:06] okay thank you so what are we going to

[1:37:08] the uh we're going to the concessions

[1:37:10] the discussion item

[1:37:13] you guys are hardcore all the scouts

[1:37:15] thank you for sticking this out I am so

[1:37:18] impressed

[1:37:19] got a real lesson today they're helping

[1:37:21] us with a pledge of allegiance yeah

[1:37:25] you're good

[1:37:33] they're all revved up for you

[1:37:39] I got time to go to the restaurant this

[1:37:41] usually doesn't yeah we'll take a five

[1:37:43] minute bile break

[1:43:48] we're ready to go ahead and move on to

[1:43:50] discussion item

[1:43:52] [Music]

[1:43:56] so we're on item 15 here

[1:43:59] discussion item veto sports complex and

[1:44:02] Shane Kelly concession operations Mr

[1:44:04] Kyle be by the brief introduction are

[1:44:06] you going to let this Belden go ahead

[1:44:08] and jump right into it all right let Mr

[1:44:10] Belden go at it

[1:44:14] good evening honorable mayor Deputy

[1:44:16] married council members tonight City

[1:44:17] staff is requesting

[1:44:19] direction from city council with regards

[1:44:21] to Outsourcing

[1:44:23] concessions operations at Oviedo Sports

[1:44:25] Complex and Shane Kelly Park tonight

[1:44:28] staff is recommending that we amend the

[1:44:30] existing agreements with Oviedo Babe

[1:44:32] Ruth and the Florida crazed Crush youth

[1:44:36] organizations to allow them to operate

[1:44:39] their own concessions utilizing City

[1:44:40] facilities with the respective

[1:44:42] facilities that they use Oviedo Babe

[1:44:44] Ruth uses a comp Sports Complex creates

[1:44:47] crushes at Shane Kelly Park

[1:44:49] secondly staff is recommending that we

[1:44:51] utilize the net savings from these

[1:44:53] changes to unfreeze to maintenance

[1:44:56] worker one positions that would then be

[1:44:59] utilized within the Park's maintenance

[1:45:00] division in your packet we had

[1:45:02] attachment number one that provided

[1:45:04] those net savings to you

[1:45:06] to break that down for you from savings

[1:45:09] and temporary staffing and concession

[1:45:12] supplies there was approximately overall

[1:45:14] Savings of 137 thousand dollars

[1:45:17] on the flip side with us giving up the

[1:45:18] concession stands to the youth leagues

[1:45:20] there is obviously a reduction of

[1:45:22] Revenue so the net revenue loss

[1:45:25] incorporating the concession stand lease

[1:45:27] that the leagues would pay the city

[1:45:29] equates to a little bit over forty six

[1:45:32] thousand dollar deduction at the end of

[1:45:34] the day net savings is just shy of

[1:45:37] ninety one thousand dollars which we

[1:45:39] staff is requesting to be

[1:45:41] um

[1:45:42] recommended to unfreeze those two

[1:45:43] positions this evening it is recommended

[1:45:47] that city council provide discussion and

[1:45:49] direction to staff with regarding the

[1:45:51] libido concession stand operations and

[1:45:53] this evening I have joining me is our

[1:45:55] the president of your Babe Ruth Jason

[1:45:57] McCluskey he'd be more than happy to

[1:45:59] answer any questions regarding them

[1:46:00] taking on on their role best idea ever

[1:46:04] I've been hoping we do this for seven

[1:46:05] years it's about time

[1:46:08] so is uh

[1:46:10] is there going to be a cost sharing or

[1:46:12] is it going to be at least to the the

[1:46:14] leagues or what so

[1:46:16] presently if this is a uh if we get the

[1:46:18] proper direction this evening we would

[1:46:19] do an amendment to their agreement

[1:46:21] incorporating a concession lease as part

[1:46:23] of their normal agreement okay with

[1:46:25] regards to Oviedo Babe Ruth it would

[1:46:27] basically be twelve thousand dollars how

[1:46:29] much twelve thousand dollars Revenue a

[1:46:31] thousand dollars per per month okay uh

[1:46:33] Florida crazy crust would be a four

[1:46:36] thousand dollars per year uh broken down

[1:46:38] you know by monthly

[1:46:39] so where does the

[1:46:41] the revenue for the maintenance workers

[1:46:43] come from

[1:46:44] there's no revenue for the maintenance

[1:46:46] workers we're not paying people to sell

[1:46:48] constructions anymore yeah so so we

[1:46:50] pulled so we're pulling off City staff

[1:46:52] that were running the thing and

[1:46:53] transferring that over to them so labor

[1:46:55] running these concession stands is one

[1:46:57] of our key components it took it took up

[1:47:00] a lot of our uh you know budget uh we're

[1:47:03] not capturing the full-time hours that

[1:47:05] are associated with this so full-time

[1:47:07] staff are just being reallocated we are

[1:47:08] shifting our model of concessions over

[1:47:11] to the gymnasium and Aquatics facility

[1:47:13] the Cantina in Oviedo in the park and

[1:47:16] Riverside Park which soon will have our

[1:47:18] new Senior Center as well as a skate

[1:47:20] park so you weren't making money on

[1:47:21] these concessions we were they were they

[1:47:24] were making money

[1:47:26] um this is the chance that we just did a

[1:47:28] full review of the operations and we

[1:47:30] feel that by making these changes we can

[1:47:33] shift our resources elsewhere without

[1:47:35] losing the service level to the

[1:47:38] customers

[1:47:39] partnering with Oviedo Babe Ruth and

[1:47:41] crazed Crush will serve as a fundraiser

[1:47:43] for those programs they can now generate

[1:47:46] some fundraising activity to now be

[1:47:48] pumped into their program and

[1:47:49] potentially be offset and return to the

[1:47:51] city for maintenance so let me put

[1:47:53] another way your recommendation is a is

[1:47:55] a net

[1:47:57] cost to the city's Net Zero cost of the

[1:47:59] city

[1:48:02] there's true savings we are trying to

[1:48:04] reallocate those savings into the

[1:48:06] maintenance workers that are truly

[1:48:07] needed in the Parks division

[1:48:09] one of them would be stationed at Oviedo

[1:48:11] Sports Complex there's four individuals

[1:48:13] that maintain that facility so it's a

[1:48:15] net zero

[1:48:17] essentially I mean better cost recovery

[1:48:19] in our and our efficiency increases by

[1:48:22] making this transition

[1:48:24] okay okay

[1:48:25] do you want to say something

[1:48:30] I can't so uh my name is Jason McCluskey

[1:48:33] I'm the president of Vito Babe Ruth uh

[1:48:36] so like Paul pointed out that this is

[1:48:38] going to help us with fundraising in the

[1:48:40] park uh all of our families and stuff

[1:48:43] like that where we can donate stuff back

[1:48:45] to the park to do some upgrades that

[1:48:47] they're asking for

[1:48:49] um and basically just allow us to be

[1:48:51] open during all of our times because

[1:48:53] there has been some times that well the

[1:48:55] city can't host everything that we have

[1:48:58] going on so the concessions are closed

[1:48:59] and

[1:49:00] we have people asking us where they can

[1:49:02] get waters and stuff and we have

[1:49:04] injuries and nobody can get ice and

[1:49:06] stuff like that so this allows us to

[1:49:08] help out everybody that's there at the

[1:49:10] park to play with us so you guys are in

[1:49:12] agreement correct yeah we went through

[1:49:13] our board we've been talking now I think

[1:49:16] for like six months back and forth

[1:49:19] um and then we went to our our board and

[1:49:21] our board approved it I have not

[1:49:23] mentioned it to all of our players yet

[1:49:25] until tonight until it was approved or

[1:49:27] whatever uh then I was gonna go to the

[1:49:30] all the families to let them know but

[1:49:31] right now it's just our board members

[1:49:32] that know okay okay all right some

[1:49:35] crazies the same way they're

[1:49:38] was receptive we are still working on

[1:49:40] some of the the the details on how to

[1:49:43] take that over uh which I'm confident we

[1:49:45] would work those details out the uh

[1:49:47] Oviedo literally they don't use our

[1:49:49] facilities do they they're just out did

[1:49:50] they use um the sports complex but they

[1:49:52] have their own concessions stands at

[1:49:54] their facility now you're running that

[1:49:55] themselves okay we're one of the few

[1:49:59] municipalities that actually run our own

[1:50:00] concessions in the state little in the

[1:50:02] nation a lot of Youth groups operate

[1:50:04] their own concession stands and we feel

[1:50:07] um you know there's been discussions in

[1:50:08] the past about concessions and even the

[1:50:10] facility for that matter and after

[1:50:12] further thought and review of Staff I'm

[1:50:15] open to this opportunity um it's I think

[1:50:17] it's going to be a benefit for the city

[1:50:18] but I think it's gonna be a benefit for

[1:50:19] the community

[1:50:20] on top of that so so I have a I have a

[1:50:23] couple questions so the current

[1:50:24] concession supplies that are in there

[1:50:26] that were paid for by the city what's

[1:50:28] going to happen to those supplies are

[1:50:31] they going to be reallocated together so

[1:50:34] the the the reduction of supplies is

[1:50:36] sixty thousand five hundred dollars

[1:50:37] that's the savings so what's the Forty

[1:50:40] thousand for

[1:50:42] are we still putting supplies in the

[1:50:44] concession stand so yeah the remaining

[1:50:46] forty thousand is for the three is for

[1:50:48] the stands that are still open the

[1:50:49] gymnasium and Aquatics facility okay yes

[1:50:51] yeah we're still operating those things

[1:50:52] so but the the ones that are in the

[1:50:54] concession stand at at the at Shane

[1:50:59] Kelly and at

[1:51:00] um of the Sports Center Sports Complex

[1:51:03] those ones are those those con those

[1:51:06] supplies are going to be reallocated to

[1:51:08] the existence we reduce those completely

[1:51:10] from the budget from those four stands

[1:51:11] yes okay that's what he's asking is if

[1:51:13] there's stuff left over when they take

[1:51:15] over we're giving them shells of

[1:51:17] buildings not supplies that they're

[1:51:18] selling and keeping the profit that's

[1:51:20] one thing I didn't share with you as

[1:51:21] we're currently working on

[1:51:24] um as part of their Amendment any of the

[1:51:26] equipment that's left in the stands the

[1:51:28] league is um willing to purchase that

[1:51:31] back from the city as part of their

[1:51:33] Amendment

[1:51:34] but what if we have a city event at

[1:51:37] those facilities now we're not going to

[1:51:40] have access to the to the concession

[1:51:42] stands at the at the complex or Shane

[1:51:45] Kelly yes that's something we would

[1:51:47] still work in with them uh they would

[1:51:49] provide the opportunity to open

[1:51:51] concessions for those events we don't

[1:51:53] have any City events at those two

[1:51:55] locations right now other than the the

[1:51:57] crazed Crush Youth League games

[1:51:59] or the sports complex tournaments or

[1:52:03] their own you know

[1:52:10] we did the project pressure way back

[1:52:13] um

[1:52:15] my issue is is we're giving we're giving

[1:52:19] you know something that you know piece

[1:52:22] of our property you know over to them I

[1:52:25] mean there's a there's a lease agreement

[1:52:27] but then we're not entitled to use it

[1:52:29] anymore for anything that we may want to

[1:52:32] do right as part of the the agreement

[1:52:33] we're also going to require that if

[1:52:36] there's any usage in the in the complex

[1:52:37] that they're going to be responsible for

[1:52:39] opening the stands for those groups so

[1:52:40] if if a beetle B Ruth is not as complex

[1:52:43] but literally just using the you know

[1:52:44] two fields for instance they would have

[1:52:46] to open up the stand for that practice

[1:52:48] same for a softball tournament same

[1:52:50] thing just like for our adult softball

[1:52:52] teams that are City sponsored if we have

[1:52:54] a games going on on Monday night out

[1:52:56] there but there's no other activity in

[1:52:58] the complex Oviedo Babe Ruth will be

[1:53:00] required to open up the stand for our

[1:53:01] city-sponsored program okay okay and

[1:53:04] that's that's a revenue generator for

[1:53:06] for you guys I assuming you're going to

[1:53:08] be using volunteers right correct yeah

[1:53:09] so the volunteers uh basically of our

[1:53:13] members of The League uh we are so we're

[1:53:15] going to reach out to high schools and

[1:53:17] stuff like that uh and try to do the

[1:53:19] community service hours and stuff like

[1:53:21] that

[1:53:22] okay be careful with that I haven't used

[1:53:24] to do that

[1:53:25] we ate more popcorn than we sold yeah

[1:53:27] and there's also be a transition period

[1:53:29] with this

[1:53:30] um If This Were to if we got the

[1:53:32] direction from Council this evening we

[1:53:33] would use the month of September as a

[1:53:35] slow transition period we would you know

[1:53:37] the leagues only take on one stand

[1:53:40] the other two stands would be monitored

[1:53:41] by City staff so there could be a

[1:53:42] transition we're going to train their

[1:53:43] staff we're also going to work them

[1:53:45] through the tanks and

[1:53:46] um as far as the equipment and show them

[1:53:48] how to use it properly also make sure

[1:53:50] that their staff or volunteers are

[1:53:51] certified through the Safe Surf program

[1:53:54] so no it sounds like a good plan

[1:53:56] sale I'm not sold on that okay well

[1:54:01] greatest thing ever but it sounds like

[1:54:03] you got consensus so we have consensus

[1:54:06] right we have consensus okay all right

[1:54:07] all right sorry Bob all right thank you

[1:54:09] thank you thank you Mr McCloskey

[1:54:13] no appreciate it

[1:54:15] all right all right we're back to

[1:54:17] resolution

[1:54:18] 4364-23 Master land we use plan and

[1:54:22] non-statutory development agreement plan

[1:54:24] for Lockwood Village shopping center

[1:54:29] thank you Deputy Mayor so we reached an

[1:54:31] agreement uh we what we're going to do

[1:54:34] so he is we're going to flip the the

[1:54:38] dumpsters the enclosure they are facing

[1:54:41] now East

[1:54:44] now they're gonna face Southeast

[1:54:47] so they are not gonna face

[1:54:49] um if we can pull the the I got it

[1:54:52] pictured

[1:54:58] yeah that okay with you guys

[1:55:00] all right

[1:55:02] okay

[1:55:05] so it's not gonna face the restaurant

[1:55:06] anymore and uh what we agreed also is to

[1:55:10] increase the the enclosure the walls and

[1:55:14] then to enhance with landscape okay so

[1:55:17] they are not going to look at the

[1:55:19] dumpsters it's going to be now facing

[1:55:21] the drive aisle so where you see over

[1:55:24] there the South you know east corner

[1:55:28] where you have the huge island that's

[1:55:30] where we're gonna put the dumpsters and

[1:55:34] now they're gonna be facing 90 degrees

[1:55:36] to the

[1:55:38] um driving aisle that it's going you

[1:55:42] know to the east so that area is going

[1:55:45] where you have the dumpsters it's going

[1:55:48] to be moved and over there you're gonna

[1:55:50] have dumpsters to move higher walls more

[1:55:54] Landscaping more landscape enough

[1:55:56] so that little curved area

[1:55:59] Corner that's where the dumpsters are

[1:56:00] going to go yes there's some Landscaping

[1:56:02] in there and then you'll move the

[1:56:03] Landscaping over a little bit yeah okay

[1:56:06] all right okay everyone's agreeing and

[1:56:09] we are going to I'm going to um we're

[1:56:11] gonna communicate now with the

[1:56:14] um tenants and we are going to send to

[1:56:16] them just so that we need to make any of

[1:56:19] that in our in the motion or are we good

[1:56:23] we need words we can trust you and I can

[1:56:26] sign this on Friday so we're so we're

[1:56:29] not signing something tonight I want to

[1:56:30] make sure that the words that we come up

[1:56:32] with in this agreement is reflected I

[1:56:34] think you approved with the condition

[1:56:36] that the conceptual development plan is

[1:56:38] is is amended and the side plan reflects

[1:56:42] you know the amendment to show the

[1:56:44] dumpsters at that location where you

[1:56:48] have the island

[1:56:49] um not facing the restaurant so not

[1:56:51] facing the shopping center facing the

[1:56:53] South you know East portion with higher

[1:56:57] enclosures and enhanced landscape around

[1:57:00] it

[1:57:01] okay I move we do what she just said

[1:57:04] can we also add a second can we add one

[1:57:08] other thing

[1:57:09] that we don't have to amend the

[1:57:11] architectural design order to do this

[1:57:15] you've already approved it back in June

[1:57:17] and I would appreciate that we can do

[1:57:20] these these adjustments without having

[1:57:22] to think that they're going to change

[1:57:23] right yeah it doesn't change the

[1:57:26] materials no so that's what we approved

[1:57:29] yeah I just want to make sure because of

[1:57:31] the Mr developer can you do this as a

[1:57:33] field change

[1:57:35] okay uh

[1:57:38] we got Pastor bedtime

[1:57:41] at least we're not Winter Springs yet

[1:57:44] so

[1:57:45] Okay so

[1:57:49] all right so basically what I would

[1:57:51] recommend is this make it make a motion

[1:57:52] to adopt the resolution

[1:57:56] uh with the

[1:57:59] changes that were addressed by Dr Correa

[1:58:04] in that the dumpster area will be

[1:58:06] relocated facing the southeast and that

[1:58:10] there will be taller Walls and More

[1:58:12] landscaping and did I cover everything

[1:58:16] and that that has to be all done as part

[1:58:20] of the stock development

[1:58:21] I move we have adopt resolution 4364-23

[1:58:27] on the condition that we add in language

[1:58:30] that the angle of the dumpsters will be

[1:58:33] shifted to the southeast the walls will

[1:58:35] be higher by an amount of

[1:58:38] two feet

[1:58:39] and additional Landscaping in the form

[1:58:43] of

[1:58:45] bushes trees and other it that it will

[1:58:49] not pay a buffer an opaque okay A little

[1:58:52] pig buffer I like that something that we

[1:58:54] cannot tell is a wall so much vegetation

[1:58:58] we can't tell it's a wall

[1:59:01] I think that's the motion no that is the

[1:59:03] motion is that the motion I don't know

[1:59:05] if I said a complete sentence is the

[1:59:07] last thing but second you get the idea

[1:59:09] we have a motion in a second

[1:59:11] a discussion

[1:59:14] all right I'm glad we were able to

[1:59:16] resolve this tonight so everybody can

[1:59:19] move forward

[1:59:20] okay and thank you for coming and

[1:59:22] speaking

[1:59:24] oh yes we can

[1:59:26] all those in favor say aye aye

[1:59:30] thank you so much thank you

[1:59:31] [Music]

[1:59:36] okay city managers report I have no

[1:59:39] report deputy mayor all right City

[1:59:41] attorney's report

[1:59:43] Mr Deputy Mayor good evening mayor

[1:59:46] council

[1:59:47] I just wanted to report that at the last

[1:59:49] meeting you requested that I send a

[1:59:51] request for an advisory opinion to the

[1:59:53] division of Elections

[1:59:55] um pertaining to

[1:59:58] um whether the city's authorized to post

[2:00:01] factual information about the bond

[2:00:03] referendum on its social media as well

[2:00:06] as website and just wanted to let you

[2:00:08] know that that request was sent on

[2:00:11] August 14th the division of Elections

[2:00:14] confirmed receipt on August 16th and in

[2:00:17] the request I did include a statement of

[2:00:19] necessity for an expedited response so

[2:00:22] hoping to hear back soon

[2:00:24] thank you okay thank you

[2:00:28] council member Britton

[2:00:30] uh real quick just want to

[2:00:33] kind of update on the league of cities

[2:00:35] conference that we went to last week it

[2:00:37] was

[2:00:39] you don't always go to every every

[2:00:41] session they have but they had some good

[2:00:42] sessions on

[2:00:44] the effects of artificial intelligence

[2:00:47] they had a couple CNN anchors on there

[2:00:52] that gave a pretty pretty cool

[2:00:53] presentation on on the state of things

[2:00:56] that we have in our country and maybe

[2:00:59] the need to tone it down a little bit

[2:01:01] and I'll wait to see that from them

[2:01:05] one conversation I had was with a group

[2:01:07] that's

[2:01:09] vendor for this program called red speed

[2:01:12] and chief I've I've talked to you about

[2:01:14] it uh it's a program that the state

[2:01:18] legislatures have passed into the law

[2:01:19] where they would put speed cameras up in

[2:01:23] school zones

[2:01:24] and it'll

[2:01:26] have a sign they're saying you're on

[2:01:27] camera any car going over uh 10 miles an

[2:01:31] hour over the limit in the school zone

[2:01:33] gets a hundred dollar ticket

[2:01:34] automatically

[2:01:36] I think that's a good idea that there

[2:01:39] was a report on the news the other night

[2:01:41] that I think Winter Garden has already

[2:01:43] implemented it and it's it's pretty easy

[2:01:46] to see there's a sign that said you're

[2:01:47] on camera and here's your speed and if

[2:01:49] you don't slow down you're going to get

[2:01:50] a hundred dollar ticket so Chief I know

[2:01:52] you wanted to to work with the county on

[2:01:54] this but I I'd hate to wait to let that

[2:01:57] bureaucracy take effect is there any way

[2:01:59] we can

[2:02:00] take some steps and get out in front of

[2:02:02] this and maybe be the leaders on this

[2:02:07] okay I'm not advocating the fellow I

[2:02:11] talked to was very very impressive uh

[2:02:14] so but I'm not advocating a particular

[2:02:16] vendor just just want to see if we can

[2:02:18] go find someone that can do this and

[2:02:20] take the lead and do what we normally do

[2:02:23] lead lead stuff shouldn't we vet it a

[2:02:26] little bit more just to make sure that

[2:02:27] there's no there's always going to look

[2:02:29] at it may make sure it doesn't because I

[2:02:31] think there's some legislation that had

[2:02:33] to do with red light ticketing uh red

[2:02:35] light cameras this last season I know

[2:02:37] comes up over and over again and and it

[2:02:39] there's this red light cameras this was

[2:02:41] school zone I get it the red light in a

[2:02:43] school zone may be kind of different

[2:02:45] things but I think there will be some

[2:02:47] pushback

[2:02:48] well I hope there is because I go

[2:02:50] through school zones all the time and I

[2:02:51] get past like crazy especially on 419.

[2:02:55] uh I've been hit

[2:02:57] by a bunch of emails from different

[2:02:59] vendors on the same thing once once the

[2:03:01] bill was passed it only specifically

[2:03:03] governs school zones during school times

[2:03:05] is effectively a red light camera

[2:03:07] instead of a camera a red light is for

[2:03:09] Speed yeah and uh it's a flat rate

[2:03:12] already already decided to pass by the

[2:03:15] state legislator for all uh all of

[2:03:18] Florida

[2:03:19] I've we had a Chiefs meeting the other

[2:03:21] day and it doesn't appear to anybody in

[2:03:23] the county is ready to move forward on

[2:03:25] it uh any any municipalities or the

[2:03:28] county itself but we'll start looking

[2:03:30] into it and see where we go with this

[2:03:33] for what vendor and what it'll take and

[2:03:35] what the costs are and all of that so

[2:03:38] okay I don't

[2:03:41] try to keep in my mind what what school

[2:03:43] zones we have in the city and I think

[2:03:45] there's only uh on 419 maybe on Alafaya

[2:03:49] Woods Boulevard

[2:03:51] depending on depending on where they

[2:03:53] what roads they allow them on and I

[2:03:56] can't I don't I don't I can't give you

[2:03:57] that answer Mitchell hammock and uh

[2:03:59] Alfie Woods Boulevard yeah it's a

[2:04:02] signalized intersection but still yeah I

[2:04:04] don't yeah I don't see the sign hanging

[2:04:06] over the road saying you know 20 miles

[2:04:08] an hour when the lights flashing like

[2:04:09] they have correct uh in front of

[2:04:11] stenstrom uh in front of by just by

[2:04:15] every Elementary School somewhere

[2:04:16] there's probably one parking's got one

[2:04:18] on our street on Twin Rivers Boulevard

[2:04:21] Alfie Woods Boulevard

[2:04:25] off the top of my head that's the two

[2:04:26] Live Oak has one yeah that would

[2:04:31] probably be yeah I just uh I think it's

[2:04:34] attractive to me because I I see us

[2:04:37] every day people driving like

[2:04:39] Knuckleheads and if anything can keep

[2:04:42] them aware of their surroundings I think

[2:04:45] it's a good thing okay we'll take a look

[2:04:47] into it okay all right that's all I have

[2:04:50] all right

[2:04:52] council member Tucker is not here

[2:04:53] tonight Madame mayor

[2:04:56] on League of cities this

[2:04:58] I got a little note that I have

[2:05:00] officially been appointed to the

[2:05:01] taxation committee and I'm very excited

[2:05:03] about that because

[2:05:04] um part of their wrap up at the league

[2:05:07] and I was not on that committee I was on

[2:05:08] land use this last year but the taxation

[2:05:10] committee uh was they listed as the hot

[2:05:13] bills to watch the pair bills that were

[2:05:16] inspired by Oviedo and the once at sales

[2:05:19] tax and expanding its use to be allowed

[2:05:21] for maintenance in addition to Capital

[2:05:24] expenditures so I'm looking forward to

[2:05:26] digging into that on I think it's

[2:05:28] September 8th as the first policy

[2:05:30] meeting

[2:05:31] and also the original bills that were

[2:05:33] filed last year are coming back both of

[2:05:36] those sponsors are open to if we can

[2:05:39] address some of the concerns that kept

[2:05:41] them from moving last season they're

[2:05:43] they're both open to to file them again

[2:05:45] so I'm really hopeful that we can get

[2:05:47] this done

[2:05:48] and are you on a committee yes

[2:05:50] taxation okay which I have done before

[2:05:53] and it was not exciting but I'm really

[2:05:55] excited about this pair of bills so I'm

[2:05:57] going to power through it because we

[2:05:58] need all the whole state get excited

[2:06:00] about it okay I'm on the transportation

[2:06:03] and uh yeah you're like Transportation

[2:06:06] guy how many years have you been on that

[2:06:07] one

[2:06:09] I'm glad you do it maybe yeah that I

[2:06:12] poked my head in there and it's not as

[2:06:14] exciting as land use oh we have fun

[2:06:17] uh and one other thing I wanted to let

[2:06:19] you guys know about is there is a guy

[2:06:21] named Mr Young who noticed a problem a

[2:06:24] while ago and in one of our

[2:06:25] neighborhoods and that is that there was

[2:06:27] no place for the kids who were coming to

[2:06:29] the bus stop to hang out so he went and

[2:06:31] he had stalled a bench at his own

[2:06:33] expense in his house uh you know it's

[2:06:35] kind of by the sidewalk and then he

[2:06:37] planted trees

[2:06:38] and they've been there for a while and I

[2:06:40] think the city recognized him at the

[2:06:42] time but this post has gone viral guys

[2:06:44] everybody uh in the whole country now

[2:06:46] knows about Mr Young and the really cool

[2:06:49] thing he did seeing a problem he just

[2:06:51] saw this so I wanted to give him a shout

[2:06:52] out because

[2:06:54] it was just really cool seeing that he's

[2:06:56] like oh no big deal I know how to do

[2:06:58] this I'll fix it and and he did so

[2:06:59] that's an inspiration to all of us too

[2:07:01] we see a problem just fix it man

[2:07:05] that's all I got great council member

[2:07:07] Pollock

[2:07:08] I've got another report

[2:07:10] [Music]

[2:07:12] while you're out this time too

[2:07:13] [Music]

[2:07:15] um just a couple of things uh obviously

[2:07:17] there was a great Optical peers coming

[2:07:20] in and xanier that's uh always good to

[2:07:23] see them so that was great do you know

[2:07:24] what they're going to use that money for

[2:07:27] not yet not yet they'll come back and

[2:07:29] let us know dog food dog food yeah and

[2:07:34] officer Bongo I just we found he's going

[2:07:36] to be our second motorcycle officer all

[2:07:38] right congratulations to you sir that is

[2:07:40] great stuff

[2:07:42] cheap one more thing I had a few things

[2:07:44] for you tonight but one more thing was

[2:07:45] uh I would sit down in South Florida

[2:07:48] this week and I went by and I was

[2:07:50] telling Mr Cobb I went by the Fort

[2:07:52] Lauderdale Police Department and it is

[2:07:53] being torn down being rebuilt and that

[2:07:55] was curious if we could find out how

[2:07:58] they're doing that what is her plan to

[2:08:00] do it and how it's being funded Mr Cobbs

[2:08:03] suggested maybe you could reach out to

[2:08:04] your counterpart and see if maybe you

[2:08:06] could find out anything or know somebody

[2:08:07] down there that could find anything out

[2:08:10] yeah it looks like they're completely

[2:08:12] tearing down the building and rebuilding

[2:08:15] it but they had to fund it somehow I was

[2:08:17] curious how they were funding it and

[2:08:18] what was their plan

[2:08:20] property taxes property taxes the

[2:08:23] highest in the country

[2:08:25] donut but I thought was interesting

[2:08:27] especially since it's a hot topic for us

[2:08:30] so

[2:08:32] um

[2:08:34] and obviously uh

[2:08:36] the research I know that Mr shank had

[2:08:38] asked about research I know you kind of

[2:08:40] addressed a little bit Yeah if there's

[2:08:42] anything

[2:08:43] great I'm glad we were able to work out

[2:08:45] the situation with the longhorn and Cafe

[2:08:48] penuzo I'm glad we could come to our

[2:08:49] agreement on that appreciate everybody's

[2:08:51] work on that scat troop 787 they're

[2:08:54] already gone to bed so but thanks for

[2:08:56] them for for coming in tonight and uh

[2:08:59] that was good Paul that was a great idea

[2:09:01] with the concessions thing I think

[2:09:03] that's uh that's going to be a winner

[2:09:04] there so appreciate how you're looking

[2:09:06] at parks and rec as a business and

[2:09:07] really trying to find a ways there to

[2:09:09] improve it and really looking at the

[2:09:11] money so great job there there and

[2:09:13] that's all I got uh future meeting dates

[2:09:17] uh Monday August 28th we have a work

[2:09:19] session that is still

[2:09:22] uh Thursday August uh September 7th is a

[2:09:25] budget CRA governing board tentative

[2:09:27] tentative actually you're going to have

[2:09:30] a meeting but it's a different topic you

[2:09:32] did your budget tonight so okay

[2:09:35] Thursday September 7th we have a budget

[2:09:38] regular session with Council

[2:09:40] Monday September 18th at 6 30 we have

[2:09:43] budget regular session

[2:09:45] and Monday is September 25th is a work

[2:09:49] session tentative it's still tentative

[2:09:51] still tentative all right

[2:09:53] anything else for the good of the order

[2:09:56] we are adjourned

8/21/2023 - Council Regular Session

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