Name: Pedestrian & Bicycle Advisory Committee
Uploaded: 2023-02-01T00:00:00Z
Duration: 2 h 33 min 51 s
Description: We've heard broad support for traffic calming with many suggestions to look at lowering the speed limit on 5th street down to 20 miles an hour.

[0:00] Just let me know when it seems like members of the public have joined our Zoom. Yeah, it looks like people are joining right now. We've got about a half a dozen right now.

[0:10] All right. I'll give it a few more seconds.

[0:23] Okay. I will call the meeting to order. Welcome to our first P back meeting of 2023. Hope everyone's having a good year so far and staying safe and dry in all this rain. I would like to ask the clerk to please call roll. Bond.

[0:40] And here, Marda, here, Awesomeire,

[0:48] Bjorky, Power,

[0:58] sorry, here.

[1:00] When, here, we'll consent, here, Cooper,

[1:09] here, McDonald.

[1:12] Here.

[1:17] Thank you.

[1:17] We'll move on to item three, approval of minutes from our December 7th Peabak meeting.

[1:25] if any committee members would like to raise their hand at this time for any

[1:28] edits that they'd like, made,

[1:41] seeing it, any hands raised. And Nicole, I might

[1:46] ask you as vice chair to help. I'm at the call into my phone and so it's a little

[1:52] challenging for me to see all the panelists. So if I miss a hand at a point, if you

[1:58] could just interrupt me, that will be fantastic. But I don't have any hands, so we'll

[2:02] move forward and approve in minutes as they are with no changes and we'll move on to item

[2:09] four presentation of which there are none that brings us to item five general public comment.

[2:17] During general public comment the public is invited to make comments on items of public

[2:22] interests that are within the committee's subject matter jurisdiction and that are not listed on

[2:27] the current agenda including the presentation items. Public comments are limited to

[2:32] three minutes per person, depending on the number of persons wishing to address the committee,

[2:37] time will be allocated in equal shares, totaling no more than 20 minutes. Members of the public

[2:43] were previously invited to provide written public comments by emailing comments to the clerk

[2:48] two hours prior to the meeting start. Any received comments were distributed to the committee and

[2:54] placed on the agenda on the city's website as part of the public record for the meeting.

[2:58] comments received after the two hour threshold will be distributed and posted online following the meeting.

[3:06] Clerk, were there any public comments received?

[3:10] It was one public comment received.

[3:14] Wonderful. Thank you.

[3:16] Okay. I will pass it over to Denise to open public comment.

[3:21] And Madam Chair, if I will, yes.

[3:24] Yes.

[3:25] I see Pamela Asselvier is listed in the attendees.

[3:30] And she's a committee member.

[3:33] Thank you.

[3:34] Is someone able to promote her?

[3:41] She should be on the panel now.

[3:49] Great.

[3:49] And can we make sure that her attendance is noted?

[3:53] Also Blake Hooper, is it attended?

[3:57] OK.

[3:57] Great.

[3:58] Hi, Blake.

[3:58] and hello Pamela and thank you Jerry

[4:03] okay all right so Denise would you please open public comment

[4:10] our first speaker is Sheila Baker and you can go ahead and unmute please okay thank you so much

[4:20] I just wanted to say at the very very last moment of signing into this meeting I remember that I

[4:28] not made my yearly contribution to Sonoma County bicycle coalition. And so I like to donate and

[4:37] hopefully other people do as well, other bicyclists, and really even anyone involved in active

[4:44] transportation, like to do it because I consider it like my church. And the reverend

[4:52] Eric Weaver is really, really good.

[4:56] I have enjoyed being a donator, and I really hope that people are members and donators

[5:07] to our very young, a county bicycle coalition, and I strongly recommend you go online, look

[5:14] up on the menu, support, and then hit the donate button.

[5:19] So anyway, thank you.

[5:21] I just wanted to say that.

[5:22] I think it's a very important part of your art experience here.

[5:26] Thank you.

[5:36] Our next participant is Susan Kirk's.

[5:44] Thanks. Could you change the view that the public is seeing so you have everyone on the screen?

[5:51] There's only one person appearing on the entire screen. I don't know how you set up your leave

[5:56] for the meeting, but it's not the way in most public meetings I usually see participants.

[6:03] So I hope you can change that and I'm not seeing a timer either so thank you for doing that. Now I can see everyone. I don't see a timer. So hopefully I won't take up. I don't know how many minutes I have two or three.

[6:17] I wanted to just comment tonight about my ongoing concerns about the absence of respect and regard for federal and state law.

[6:28] Your committee sent a letter of recommendation for the trail that was changed, I think, so I see the timer now, that was changed by the Public Works Department on a late bill to traverse under the Puddle and Marriver Bridge when they were submitting a grant application to the California Transportation Commission, that application was denied.

[6:52] I have obtained a copy of the feedback that was given to the staff and writing.

[6:59] Your staff said they would be meeting again with them in February for more information, but in fact,

[7:04] there was a lot of information the staff could have shared with you as committee members that evening when they reported that the application was denied.

[7:14] The same application is going apparently as is to the Metropolitan Transportation Commission.

[7:20] If your committee was responsible, you would have regard for federal and state laws,

[7:27] migratory bird treaty act, and the state code that protects active nesting birds.

[7:33] There is a longstanding colony of cliff swallows that flood they fly thousands of miles from

[7:39] Argentina to nest at the Pemblemar River Bridge every year.

[7:44] this past year, there were 563 ms there. It would be such a clear violation of both federal and state law to try and put a trail in that area.

[7:57] I brought this to your attention. Your committee approved the letter anyway and sent it. I just want you to know that's wrong.

[8:05] Okay, and so in essence, you have voted to ignore federal and state law.

[8:12] If you are responsible, you will tell the staff to pull that application, not have it

[8:19] reviewed at the Metropolitan Transportation Commission.

[8:22] And my organization, Madrid, Audubon, will be sending a strong letter of opposition and concern

[8:28] also to the Metropolitan Transportation Commission.

[8:32] So, yes, we want trails, we want renewable energy, but we need to do what every other

[8:39] city in Sonoma County does, which is have a sensitivity to and they come informed about

[8:45] environmental law. And that happens to be one of the reasons I ran for mayor. So I can say

[8:52] at least there are close to 2,000 voters in Catalina who agree with me. Thank you very much.

[9:00] Thank

[9:02] you, and I'm going to be handing this off to our regular moderator.

[9:10] Alyssa, are you on?

[9:11] Yes, I'm here. Thank you so much for covering Denise.

[9:14] Sure. Thank you.

[9:15] Let me share my screen.

[9:20] Okay, it looks like the next speaker is Peter Gang.

[9:23] Please unmute yourself and begin your through minutes of public comment.

[9:32] Thank you very much.

[9:33] I just wanted to make a short comment on a matter that is

[9:38] of relevance. In recent months, Safe Streets, Petaluma submitted an application for a $50,000

[9:49] grant to engage a group of consultants that call themselves City Thread to work with the

[9:59] city in looking at all of the planning currently underway for bike-ped infrastructure.

[10:11] We were awarded the grant, and today we had our first Zoom meeting with the city thread

[10:17] principles. There were, I think, nine of us from Petaluma,

[10:23] or 7 of us from Petaluma, plus Iris Weaver and Emily Sharton from Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition.

[10:30] It was just a kickoff meeting.

[10:34] City thread principles will be in Petaluma on January 24th and 25th, meeting with city staff, elected and selected community members.

[10:48] and then in the next month to month and a half, they will be having follow-up meetings

[10:54] with those stakeholder groups. Eventually coming up with a report sometime in May,

[11:06] identifying, as I understand it, identifying the missing links in the whole

[11:14] ecosystem of our transportation or non-automotive mobility planning world, and

[11:26] advising us on what we can do to accelerate the build-out of our non-automobile

[11:37] mobility network. Okay, that's about enough time. I'm happy to engage with anybody

[11:43] else to give him more information.

[11:48] Thank you.

[11:48] Looks like the last speaker is Bruce Hagen.

[11:50] Please unmute yourself and begin your three minutes.

[11:55] Oh hi.

[11:56] Thanks everybody.

[11:57] And just to follow on Pete's comments to some extent.

[12:01] I don't know if his Bjorn is in there.

[12:03] He was at the meeting as we're several of other people from the city staff.

[12:08] So.

[12:09] That is good.

[12:11] In light of that, I took the opportunity of a very rainy day to go out and

[12:15] actually drive a car and I had to go up right here and took a look at what the bike lanes look like

[12:22] and the parking looks like from a driver's perspective. And while I think it's a good plan,

[12:27] I also thought that if the plan that was recommended by pretty much all of the neighbors that live there

[12:33] would be just as good. And so in the context of how do we go forward and get things done more quickly,

[12:40] how do we get the neighbors to be supporting, maybe not exactly what we would do if the neighbors didn't have a chance to speak on it, but pretty darn close to what active transportation advocates want, that things will happen more quickly and I was a bit disappointed

[13:00] I had to drop off the call at the last meeting, the Zoom of the last meeting.

[13:05] So I thought that I was hearing a lot of support for the neighbor proposal,

[13:09] but the guidance that was given by most people who spoke at the end was that they liked the existing configuration

[13:17] and they wanted that to continue.

[13:19] I would just suggest that as we think about our roles as bike advocates,

[13:24] that's whether we're on P back or in advocacy group

[13:30] like the Sonoma County by Coalition or Safe Streets

[13:33] that we look at how do we build partnerships with neighbors

[13:38] and we may not get exactly what we want

[13:41] but we'll get something that's really good.

[13:44] Maybe it will be exactly what we want

[13:46] but we'll get it quickly without a lot of drama.

[13:49] So I know that this rain air four to three

[13:52] Reconfiguration is going on to City Council and I expect they'll have a chance to have another look at this and maybe take

[14:02] Take put a greater weight on that that aspect of it

[14:05] But I would like the the commissioners having been a commissioner myself to start thinking of their role as

[14:11] facilitators with the community and not just cyclists and not just walkers

[14:17] But anybody that wants to get around, whether it's by car or otherwise, and I think that will be who of us will make a lot of progress if we if we pursue that route.

[14:28] So I will not be able to stay tonight for the the neighborhood traffic calming, but I did read Brian Barnacles comments on an email and I agree 100% with what he said about that, particularly that we don't want to have something that pulses once a year.

[14:45] And we need to have a factor in there that shows how much support is there from the street where the project is going to take place.

[14:53] Thanks a lot for your work. Happy New Year and we'll see you around.

[14:58] You, uh, Chair Bond, that looks like they're not-

[15:00] Other hands raised. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you, everyone, for those comments. We will move on to item six communications. There were two communications received from staff, one on way, finding and one on traffic coming. We will move on to item seven, old business. We have two items tonight. Oh, sorry. We have one old business, one new business. Our first item of business is to review and provide feedback.

[15:29] back on the Fist Street Bike Boulevard Project.

[15:32] And I will hand this over to Bjorn.

[15:36] All right, great.

[15:37] Thank you, Chair Bond.

[15:39] Good evening committee members.

[15:41] Give me one second here while I get my screen sharing.

[15:46] I'll set up.

[15:53] All right, hopefully you are seeing my screen now.

[15:58] All right, sounds like it looks like a blur.

[16:01] Great.

[16:01] So we'll just jump right into it.

[16:05] So bringing this item back to Peevac,

[16:07] I know that you all have provided input on the fifth street bike bowl of our a couple of times now and in many ways, it's a project that sort of had its genesis with this committee.

[16:21] And so tonight just want to provide an update on where we are with our engagement with the community and then also our some of the design ideas that we have.

[16:32] And much like we did with the D-street presentation a couple of months back, this will largely,

[16:42] it's very similar to the same, it's the same presentation basically that we gave to the community in November.

[16:49] And I will, and I include some poll results from that evening's meeting with the community,

[16:54] I just see you can kind of get a sense of who was in the room and what their opinions were on the project and

[17:01] Then I can also kind of anecdotally share the survey results. We we closed our we had a survey open from

[17:09] November early November until about December 20th and I actually we spent today

[17:14] Going through those survey results and so I have a good sense of where the

[17:19] public sentiment is on that project among at least among the people who responded to the survey.

[17:26] So again, I'll share those anecdotally kind of as I'm passing through.

[17:32] So the first question we asked in that community workshop was basically what people's connection

[17:39] was with Fifth Street. We had really good representation from people who live on Fifth Street,

[17:46] about 42% and then slightly just just a few folks fewer who live near Fifth Street. But most people

[17:57] living either on or near Fifth Street and that was very similar in the survey. Our largest response

[18:02] group was actually, again, people who live on Fifth Street for the survey. We ask people how they

[18:09] use Fifth Street. No surprise that people use it in many different ways. You can see a pretty

[18:17] be even split here between people who bike drive and walk on fifth street. And those

[18:25] results were, again, very similar on the survey. For people who didn't live on fifth

[18:31] street, but responded to the survey, the majority of them actually walk or bike, and then

[18:37] about half of those folks reported that they drive on fifth street. And most people use

[18:43] it in multiple ways.

[18:46] So going into the project overview and I'll probably move pretty quickly through these because I know the committee is very familiar with this project.

[18:53] But I'll do my best to, you know, if there's anyone from the public here tonight who is not as familiar to try to explain things.

[19:01] So this, like I mentioned earlier, this project really kind of came about in a couple of ways.

[19:09] but largely was identified by the community and by feedback as a really good low traffic alternative

[19:16] to pedal in the Boulevard South as the city was working on the road diet project and it became

[19:23] clear that the city would not be able to provide continuous bike lanes for the entire stretch between

[19:29] D Street and Crystal Lane. Fifth Street gained a lot of traction as a potential low traffic parallel

[19:37] all route to pedal in the boulevard south.

[19:41] The concept of the bike boulevard is actually also supported by the city's bicycle and pedestrian

[19:46] master plan.

[19:47] Back in 2008, I'd recommend that plan recommended conducting a pilot project and it actually

[19:55] recommended East D street as a potential pilot, but based on the support that we have for

[20:02] this project and the way it was identified during the road diet process, this project

[20:11] sort of rose to the top of the city's list.

[20:14] The city was also included in the Slow Streets program in which the city closed a handful

[20:22] of local neighborhood streets through traffic, essentially local traffic only to provide space

[20:31] for folks to walk and bike in the street while maintaining social distancing and I know I checked

[20:38] in with Ken and he's told me that fifth street was actually one of the most popular, if not the

[20:44] most popular, slow street that the city implemented. The project was or at least the concept was approved

[20:52] by City Council and included in our CIP budget for this year and of course is a project that supports

[20:59] active transportation to support some important city goals, including those around carbon neutrality and

[21:06] safe streets and active transportation.

[21:12] So the project goals are really to reinforce

[21:14] Fifth Street as a safe, slow, quiet neighborhood street that is inviting for people on who are

[21:24] foot bike scooter and but this is also a really good opportunity to use fifth

[21:31] street as a somewhat of a pilot project and and use it to test and evaluate

[21:37] and adjust and and hopefully develop design standards for future bike

[21:44] boulevards throughout Petaluma.

[21:49] So bike boulevards are known by a few different

[21:52] terms throughout the U.S. up in Portland and much of the Pacific Northwest, they tend to be

[22:01] referred to as neighborhood greenways. And we really like this description from Portland.

[22:09] Neighborhood greenways are slow quiet streets that prioritize people walking,

[22:13] bicycling, rolling. They are the backbone of the Safe Routes to School Network and connectors

[22:17] between neighborhoods, parks, schools, and business districts. And this picture gives a really good

[22:22] flavor of what you're looking for on a bike boulevard or a neighborhood greenway. It's really,

[22:30] it's a low traffic street. It's a neighborhood street that doesn't have through traffic.

[22:34] There aren't any bike lanes. It's a street where anyone, no matter how confident they are on a bike,

[22:41] should feel comfortable and safe riding in the street because the traffic volume and speed are so low.

[22:47] So

[22:50] we did ask folks at the community workshop and in our survey, which naming they preferred, whether they preferred bike bowl of our neighborhood greenway or maybe another term.

[23:02] And neighborhood greenway actually came out on top on both the pole at our community workshops and here and on our on our survey.

[23:12] and what was interesting to see in the survey results among fifth street residents were almost

[23:20] unanimously in favor of neighborhood greenway over bike boulevard. When you filter out the folks

[23:27] who live on fifth street, bike boulevard is actually slightly more popular, but again for those living

[23:33] on fifth street it was almost unanimous in favor of neighborhood greenway. And then I think the only

[23:38] suggested I saw other than those two terms was neighborhood bikeway. So kind of a hybrid

[23:47] of the two. And I can tell you just looking at the comments on the survey, I think the

[23:53] general theme was that people felt neighborhood greenway was a little bit more inclusive. It

[23:57] didn't single out bikes. And also the fact that I think there's some negative connotations

[24:03] with Boulevard, you know, especially on a neighborhood street. Some people are sort of alarmed

[24:09] when they hear, oh, my street's becoming a Boulevard. So, just kind of, again, sharing

[24:14] what I saw in the survey results.

[24:19] So, my fifth street, well, as you all know, in the committee,

[24:25] your options for, I'm going to call this East West connectivity between downtown and

[24:34] are somewhat limited. There are only three streets that actually run all the way between

[24:40] D-Street and Mountain View Avenue, and those are Pellet and Boulevard South, Fifth Street

[24:45] and Sixth Street.

[24:48] And when you look at the ways that those streets are classified and the

[24:55] amount of traffic that they carry and that they are designated to carry, there are some

[25:00] pretty major differences. Penalable of our south is an arterial. It's got a higher posted speed

[25:07] limit and it sees 12 to 13,000 vehicles per day on average. Sixth Street is a collector,

[25:17] so basically one step down from an arterial and sees over 7,000 cars a day on the busiest segments.

[25:24] And then fifth street is a local street, which really means it per our city's definition.

[25:31] That's it's not really supposed to carry any traffic, any three traffic.

[25:37] So if you are using fifth street, really it should be because you are either starting

[25:41] or ending your trip on fifth street based on the way our streets are designated.

[25:46] And it has lowest traffic volume below 1000 vehicles per day.

[25:51] So, again, in our, going moving from highest traffic volume and speed to lowest traffic volume and speed,

[25:58] so you have pilum of the wall right south, the top is arterial, 6th street as a collector, 5th street down at the bottom as a local street.

[26:05] And the reason, again, that that makes 5th street a really good candidate for a bike boulevard is because it's carrying much less traffic and the traffic is carrying is going to,

[26:15] it tends to move at a lower speed.

[26:18] So that just means less exposure for people on bikes.

[26:21] And therefore, means a more comfortable riding experience.

[26:27] So I mentioned, this really came about

[26:31] as we were looking at the pedal-in-the-bull-of-art-south

[26:34] road diet project and the type of bike facility

[26:39] that we were able to provide on pedal-in-the-bull-of-art-south

[26:42] changes as you move throughout the corridor

[26:45] or based on the right of way with.

[26:48] And so what I'll do here is I'll kind of,

[26:52] I'll move from basically, from right to left,

[26:57] from crystalline moving over towards downtown

[27:00] and sort of describe what's in place.

[27:02] So from crystalline about in view,

[27:04] you have buffered bike lanes.

[27:07] You know, the street is much wider there.

[27:09] And so it's a pretty comfortable

[27:13] riding experience. If you look, there's a methodology called level of traffic stress where you can actually determine basically what types of riders you are catering to or maybe find what would use the facility based on the type of bike facility and also the exposure to traffic.

[27:33] And so if you apply that analysis to that section of pedal to the wall of our itself, as you can see there, it would appeal to the group of bicyclists we would consider interested but concerned.

[27:47] So that's a good majority of people who are, you know, would be interested in biking, but maybe they're not going to ride if they don't feel totally safe.

[27:56] If the next stretch from Mountain Dew Avenue to H Street, there you just have standard class

[28:04] two bike lanes that appeals to fewer people, that appeals to the enthused and confident.

[28:12] So these are folks who are likely already riding and feel somewhat comfortable on any street,

[28:17] but it would not include say, you know, a first-time rider or a kid or someone who is less

[28:25] comfortable on a bike.

[28:26] And

[28:30] then from each street to downtown, that's the most constrained section.

[28:34] That's where you move to a class three shared lane situation where people biking are expected

[28:42] to share the lane with vehicle traffic.

[28:45] And that's according to the level of traffic stress, that really only appeals to the strong

[28:51] and fearless.

[28:52] So those are folks who are extremely comfortable, pretty much riding anywhere.

[28:55] And that's obviously the smallest group of bicyclists.

[28:58] So

[29:01] again, there's this really intriguing opportunity to create a continuous route from

[29:09] crystalline all the way to downtown that appeals to a greater majority of people on bikes.

[29:18] And so connecting those buffer bike lanes from crystalline to mountain view avenue with the

[29:24] proposed bike boulevard opens this up to again a much hopefully to more mode shift and this is

[29:34] really why we're looking at this at the bike history bike boulevard.

[29:41] So walking through some of the

[29:43] design options that were presented at our community workshop and that we asked folks about in the survey.

[29:51] Okay.

[29:53] First off is signage and lane markings. So the purpose of this, obviously, is to assist.

[30:00] Just with wayfinding, help people find their way, but also to clearly communicate what's going

[30:06] on in the street, and make sure that all road users, whether they're walking, biking,

[30:10] or driving are aware of those operations. So looking at these examples in Portland,

[30:18] their approach has been to post 20 mile an hour speed limit signs along their neighborhood

[30:24] greenways, and then they've got a special placard underneath the speed limit sign showing neighborhood

[30:31] greenway. And they also, and they just use Cheros. They have a standard shared lane marking that

[30:37] they use over in Berkeley and also in Santa Rosa. They actually use the same branding with the

[30:44] bicycle boulevard signage you see on the right there. So what they've done is they've actually

[30:50] replaced all their street signs with those special signs you see in the bottom right corner there.

[30:57] That's on Humboldt Street in Santa Rosa.

[30:59] And they also have a slightly different lane marking.

[31:04] Let me show you that here.

[31:05] So on the left there is the bike boulevard lane marking that was sort of standardized by Palo Alto and Berkeley in the early evolution of bike boulevard.

[31:14] And then on the right there is just a standard chair, which we already have throughout Petaluma that's that's what again what Portland and Seattle use for their neighborhood greenways.

[31:27] So this project we are proposing to test out some surface mounted speed humps and have received fire departments blessing to use something similar to what's shown here.

[31:42] basically has a break in the hump not only for people biking but also for fire

[31:47] trucks to maneuver so that they're not slowed down when they're responding to an

[31:51] emergency and the proposed locations that we came up with early in the design

[31:57] process were between ENF streets and then actually two sets of speedhumps on the

[32:04] really long block between I street and not new.

[32:11] We also are interested in

[32:14] including curb extensions and bullbouts at every intersection where feasible.

[32:19] Here, I'm showing how this was done in a quick build fashion over near Loma Vista Immersion Academy.

[32:26] So we could expect they would look somewhat similar to these because this will be a quick build project.

[32:31] Just using some again striping and surface mounted materials.

[32:37] You can see that in this case the stop sign was actually moved off the sidewalk and out into a more visible location.

[32:42] and there are also some parking blocks used to sort of protect the area and keep cars out of

[32:49] there. So what this does is it slows traffic, but it's really important to making the street more

[32:56] pedestrian friendly, more so than making it more bike friendly. This shortens the pedestrian crossing

[33:01] distance. It improves site distance, you know, if you're someone who's walking on foot and you're out

[33:09] in a more visible location before you're potentially stepping out into a place where you are

[33:13] exposed to vehicle traffic and crossing the street. So, yeah, just a kind of a proven treatment that

[33:21] we could use to make the street a little bit more pedestrian-friendly.

[33:28] High visibility crosswalks,

[33:30] we already have these all over town. Whenever we talk about a high visibility crosswalk, really all we

[33:36] mean is that it's got those big continental stripes.

[33:40] It's not the two parallel lines that you see some places.

[33:47] And so the image here shows what a high visibility

[33:50] crosswalk looks like.

[33:51] And we would be installing these at all intersections

[33:56] where we have pedestrian crossings and curb ramps.

[34:05] And then building on the success of the traffic circle at Bassett and Uppum we thought it would be worthwhile to potentially test traffic circles at B Street, G Street, and I Street, if feasible and feasible as a big, that's a key word here because we do need to look at the geometry of intersections whenever we propose a traffic circle to make sure that we do have an adequate.

[34:34] adequate room for larger vehicles, trucks, fire trucks to make any needed maneuvers around the

[34:42] circle. The reason we came up with those locations is those are places where traffic on

[34:51] fifth street is currently expected to, or traffic on fifth street is currently expected to stop.

[34:58] And so these actually create a much more efficient bicycling experience for anyone who's biking

[35:06] along Fifth Street. You're going to yield at the traffic circle rather than be expected to come

[35:12] to a full stop. And we know from the experience of other cities and just the physics of bicycling that

[35:19] that is far more efficient. And it's more aligned with the way that people most people already bike.

[35:25] And I think I'll get into that in a second here.

[35:28] I'll kind of expand on that a little bit.

[35:30] So we did ask people if they're in favor

[35:32] of testing traffic circles in those locations.

[35:35] Majority of folks said yes.

[35:36] And these results were almost exactly the same

[35:41] in the survey.

[35:42] So brought support for the traffic circles.

[35:47] So I kind of got ahead of myself there,

[35:49] but stop sign removal on fifth street.

[35:51] So again, best practice for bike boulevards

[35:54] is, or neighborhood greenways, is to actually remove stop signs wherever possible along the route travel for people biking.

[36:05] That creates a more efficient bicycling experience and therefore encourages biking.

[36:09] But it also improves predictability and encourages more cautious driving across the bike route.

[36:16] drivers tend to be a lot more careful when they come up on an intersection that is not an always stop where, you know, maybe where they have to stop, but they know that cross traffic doesn't stop.

[36:28] They're going to, you're really going to look left, look right, look left again. And that's the kind of behavior we want for people who are driving across what we hope would be a major bike route.

[36:39] So the proposed locations are F street, which is a pretty small intersection, which is why we didn't recommend it for a traffic circle. We just would recommend only a stop sign removal there.

[36:52] And then anywhere a traffic circle is installed. So again, potentially EG and I streets.

[36:59] So here you can see some signage from San Luis Obispo.

[37:02] Not only do they have the,

[37:04] this is on a cross-street.

[37:06] So you see that the cross-street you're approaching

[37:09] is a bike boulevard,

[37:10] but you also have that reminder underneath the stop sign.

[37:13] Cross traffic does not stop.

[37:18] So again, this had pretty high support among those

[37:22] at the community workshop and likewise with the survey.

[37:28] So traffic operators,

[37:29] you'll be familiar with this

[37:31] because we also talked about this on the de-street traffic calming, in the traffic calming presentation.

[37:38] And so these, this is a treatment that's often used at major intersection crossings for

[37:45] bike boulevards, very popular in Berkeley and in Portland. What these do is they

[37:54] produce the amount of through traffic on the bike route because if you encounter one of these as

[38:00] you're driving a long D street or sorry a long fifth street, you're no longer allowed to drive

[38:07] through there. So that's going to filter out some through traffic. Also, if you're driving

[38:12] on D street, it's not going to allow you to make a left turn onto fifth street. And a big reason

[38:18] we really like this for the fifth and D intersection in particular is there has been a pretty high

[38:26] frequency of collisions involving drivers, especially trying to cross D at fifth or make left turns.

[38:36] And so this would eliminate those collisions. And then also, it also has a benefit of,

[38:45] again, reducing through traffic on fifth street. And it provides a refuge island in the middle for

[38:51] people on foot and bike as they're crossing the street.

[38:57] So I show this last time with you

[39:00] all, just some illustrations showing that there are plenty of detours. We're also actually

[39:06] looking at the fourth street intersection, as you all know, from the D-street meeting for traffic

[39:11] for traffic derators. And so this just shows that basically every turning movement,

[39:18] And you can think of that would now be prohibited.

[39:24] There's another relatively convenient option.

[39:29] And we really wouldn't create any significant detour effects.

[39:33] And we're pretty confident that it wouldn't really create any significant diversion effects

[39:38] on any of the surrounding streets.

[39:41] When you have a street grid like we do here, that sort of diffuses the diverted trips.

[39:47] and especially as people become more familiar with the conditions.

[39:53] So we really don't expect there to be a significant impact on any of the nearby streets,

[39:58] but we would definitely select plenty of traffic counts and turning movement counts before the project is installed

[40:07] and while the project is after the project is installed to fully understand those impacts.

[40:13] So,

[40:17] in the workshop, we asked folks if they were in favor of testing traffic

[40:21] diverter, this slide looks a little different because we weren't able to grab a

[40:24] screenshot, but I went back and watched the recording, and luckily I said I said

[40:30] the I said it out loud. So 64% were in favor, 23% against 13% unsure, and I believe

[40:40] there was more support actually in the survey for the traffic diverter at the

[40:46] street.

[40:49] So some of the feedback we have received to date early on from feedback, from feedback

[40:54] especially we heard that it's really important to provide safe, easy crossings at the major

[40:58] intersections with a pretty strong emphasis on the D-Street intersection is being the one that

[41:03] a lot of people were worried about. We've heard especially from folks who live on Fifth Street

[41:10] that they would like us to incorporate street trees and greenery and public art wherever possible.

[41:15] We've heard broad support for traffic calming with many suggestions to look at lowering the speed limit on 5th street down to 20 miles an hour.

[41:26] And then on the concern side, we have heard a lot about concerns about pavement quality, especially near D street on the blocks closest to D street and those incoming from people who bike.

[41:40] We've heard concerns about too much striping and signage being a little unsightly and negatively affecting the neighborhood character.

[41:49] And then we've heard from a handful of people, especially on I'd say 6th Street, who are concerned about the impacts of traffic diversion.

[42:02] So this is our most recent timeline.

[42:04] I realize this does not include the previous two meetings with feedback.

[42:09] But sort of since we relaunched our community engagement efforts on this project.

[42:14] It had been starting with the November community workshop.

[42:17] I mentioned that we had the online survey that was up for over a month.

[42:21] So when I failed to mention that we got 77 responses to the survey.

[42:26] And I think we had about 50 folks in attendance at the first workshop.

[42:31] So, we're here tonight sharing the survey results, the feedback we received and the design options.

[42:38] After tonight, we are going to start putting together that recommended design and come back to the community with another workshop in February or March just to sort of to provide an update, give everyone a summary of everything we've heard.

[42:56] share the proposed design with them and then give them a preview of what to expect with the actual construction of the quick, quick build project in spring or summer 2023.

[43:11] And with that, we'll just wrap it up and say we're tonight, again, we're just looking

[43:19] for feedback, happy to answer questions from the committee, and reminder to go to the

[43:27] Project Web page that is shown here to sign up for Project Updates, and we'll be sending

[43:34] out the survey results very shortly.

[43:39] Now that those are all been compiled.

[43:42] All right, so I think that's it for me.

[43:46] And I'll put it over to the chat.

[43:49] Thank you, Bjorn, for that presentation.

[43:52] And we will now move to committee members that have questions.

[43:57] If you could please raise your virtual hand.

[43:59] And I will call on you and we'll go to public comment.

[44:02] And then after that, if you have comments to make,

[44:05] but try to keep this round to questions for Bjorn.

[44:08] Okay. So let's see. We have Marsha. Go ahead.

[44:16] Great. Thanks Kelly. I want to thank you for this complete

[44:22] staff report beyond it. It's very well done.

[44:25] I would like to just suggest because I suggest this all the time

[44:29] that if there's a PowerPoint connected to a presentation,

[44:33] I'd love to see it as part of the agenda so that we all could review

[44:37] ahead of time, but be so that the public could review it as well. It's a little easier if you

[44:42] have a heads up by being able to see the PowerPoint because it does explain a lot of, a lot of

[44:48] questions that certain people might have. Aside from that, I was wondering if you could tell me

[44:53] because I have no idea how this works. When we're talking about traffic diverters.

[45:00] And we're talking about quick bills, which is just paint. How safe does the quick build on a traffic

[45:08] diverter corner make me feel as a pedestrian or a bicyclist?

[45:15] Yeah, so there's a few different

[45:18] options we have there between delineators. Those are those plastic, flexible posts. And those are

[45:27] even made with varying diameters.

[45:33] And some look a lot more intimidating than others.

[45:36] I mean, they can all be run over by a car.

[45:39] But some are much thicker and look a little bit more

[45:42] imposing to drivers.

[45:44] But then there's also, like I showed with the image there

[45:49] from Berkeley, what they used parking blocks, basically.

[45:55] And so those are, you know, enough to stop, well, I don't know that they're going to stop a car traveling at a high speed, but you definitely wouldn't want to run one over.

[46:10] And yeah, so as far as quick build elements go, you know, those are probably the two most commonly used.

[46:19] we could look to use something potentially even both here, but those are the most common examples we've seen so far.

[46:31] Okay, well, don't get me wrong. I think this traffic diverter is, I think it's a wonderful idea, actually.

[46:37] I do have a couple of concerns about it, but my number one concern is in its prior stages, the safety of those of us who are actually going to be crossing the street

[46:47] using the traffic diverter as well as the car, which is also using it coming the other direction.

[46:53] I am concerned that in between 4th Street and 5th Street and between D Street and B Street,

[46:59] we're proposing a great many changes. And all of the changes I think everyone in this committee

[47:06] thinks is probably of quite a glorious idea because we are so in favor of having a bike

[47:13] boulevard kind of kind of thing, but I'm just concerned that we need to find a

[47:22] way to educate the public, the motorist, the bicyclist, the walker, the

[47:29] young family, members as they're trying to cross the street. We need to get

[47:33] this is really a huge education piece and I would love to see us really push

[47:41] solidly for something that makes a great deal of sense regarding the education of the

[47:47] populace with all of these new devices that we're including in about a four block area.

[47:54] So from that, that's just a statement that there's no answer to that. But thank you for your time.

[48:00] Thank you.

[48:04] Okay, Blake.

[48:07] I also wanted to thank you for the comprehensive presentation.

[48:13] and keeping it just to comments, as asked,

[48:18] one question I had in terms of the pushback

[48:21] or concerns people had about added signage

[48:24] impact in the character of the neighborhood.

[48:26] Could you provide a little more detail

[48:28] what the actual concern was there?

[48:32] It was just that.

[48:33] It was that, right now, you have streets

[48:36] with minimal scraping and signage

[48:40] And that, you know, like I showed the, the bull about, the quick build bull about that the city installed by Luma Vista and, you know, there's, there's a lot more striping involved there to basically keep the space clear and really, you know, clearly convey the drivers that, that they shouldn't enter that space.

[49:02] But I think there's definitely some opportunities there to potentially even work with the neighborhood to make those spaces more attractive.

[49:15] So, just because so much of the time when we get public comment about improvements, it's to get these very changes to their neighborhood.

[49:23] but the thing I'm trying to understand

[49:25] is the concern that there'll be more pedestrian

[49:28] and bicycle travel use from other areas

[49:30] coming to the neighborhood

[49:31] if they get all of these improvements added.

[49:34] Or...

[49:35] No, I don't think that's fair.

[49:37] I don't know that I've seen that sentiment,

[49:39] but especially filtering out with this survey

[49:42] and with the D Street survey,

[49:44] we've taken the time to filter out the responses

[49:48] from the people who actually live on the street

[49:50] and compare those to the overall survey responses.

[49:54] And on Fifth Street, the vast majority of residents

[49:59] are in support of this project.

[50:02] And that was just one concern.

[50:04] You know, concerned.

[50:05] I noticed in a couple of comments

[50:07] and that we heard at the workshop was,

[50:09] you know, let's think about the aesthetics of this, basically.

[50:13] Gotcha.

[50:14] And then I had one more timeline question.

[50:17] Once this gets to the quick build phase and it's gone through that, how long will it take for any more permanent changes to end up in the capital improvement plan?

[50:30] If there are any.

[50:31] Yeah, that's a good question. I don't have a straightforward answer for that tonight.

[50:36] That would really, you know, that's sort of pending.

[50:39] being an evaluation of other city priorities in active transportation or, you know, if

[50:46] any opportunities arise with other, you know, utility work or paving work, that's when

[50:53] you have an opportunity to maybe make more permanent changes. That's the model we're

[50:58] using with D Street where we're testing the quick build out now in hopes that after some

[51:04] utility work is done, we'll have funding to do a more comprehensive reconstruction of the

[51:09] roadway, but nothing is on the books for Fifth Street, unfortunately.

[51:13] Thank you.

[51:18] Okay, Mayor McDonald.

[51:22] Almost. Thank you.

[51:24] The great presentation. Thanks for covering all all the ground you covered.

[51:31] And I was noticing that the Fist Street project intercepts the D Street Quick Build project.

[51:37] And I'm wondering what timeline you've offered in public meetings for these

[51:43] street improvements to come to construction? Will they coordinate so that both

[51:47] happen at the intersection happens at the same time? Both projects?

[51:53] Yeah, right now it's looking like they're on a very similar trajectory for

[51:58] implementation. I can't say whether they'll be done at the exact same time and even

[52:03] by the same contractor, but the D-street, the one element, you know, that we are looking

[52:13] at incorporating in the D-street project is the traffic deritter at Fifth Street, as

[52:23] part of the D-street project.

[52:25] But thanks. And then I noticed that a lot of streets, the new camera technologies at

[52:33] signals is making unnecessary some of the bike buttons that we've had for crossing for

[52:40] bikes, particularly 6th and D and on East Washington and what Maria I think is the one where

[52:48] we pulled the bike buttons out,

[52:53] do we have flashers at 5th and D? Now, can we, is that included

[53:00] in this vision? So that, you know, when they get there, they can be activated by a bike

[53:05] button as well as a pet button. So yeah, that's a really, really good question. We don't currently

[53:12] have flashers at 5th and D. This is a question actually that I personally have dealt way to decon in

[53:21] my previous role at Santa Rosa on whether or not you could actually use our rectangular rapid

[53:29] flashing beacons to facilitate bikeway crossings at uncontrolled intersections. And the best,

[53:40] I mean, I haven't seen anything suggest that that's actually a legal or enforceable sign

[53:51] in California because the California vehicle code treats people who are biking like cars

[54:00] and they don't have the right of way at a location where they actually, you know, they're

[54:05] stop control, right? So if you're on fifth street on a bike, you come to a stop. You are treated

[54:12] as a vehicle by the California vehicle code and hitting a flashing beacon does not change that.

[54:19] If you became a pedestrian and you got off your bike and used the crosswalk as a pedestrian,

[54:25] I believe you would then have the right of way for the vehicle code. What's interesting is if you go

[54:32] to Oregon, their state law actually treats both people on bikes and people on foot the

[54:40] same at crosswalks, and they actually have the right of way at all crosswalks in Oregon.

[54:46] So if you go up to Oregon, they use flashing beacons at these bike boulevard type crossings.

[54:53] I don't know any in California, and I don't know that it's a legal application if there

[54:59] are any in California.

[55:00] Yeah. So what a lot of cities in California are doing are actually they're going a step further and they're doing

[55:07] what are called pedestrian hybrid beacons at bike boulevard crossings of major streets.

[55:14] Those unfortunately are extremely expensive. I mean, they're basically traffic signals.

[55:19] And so yeah, it's a whole kind of I mean, sorry, you got me going on a very technical like in the weeds thing.

[55:27] but the sad, the unfortunate news is until the California vehicle code has changed to give people

[55:33] on bikes more rights at crosswalks, basically. We're sort of stuck on that one.

[55:40] It's a really good explanation. Don't talk about it.

[55:45] Yeah, I mean, I know what we all do is we roll up to the usually signals and then just hop on the

[55:53] the sidewalk hit the crosswalk button and jump back on your bike again, but we're

[55:58] uncontrolled or you know stop limited. It's still hard to cross the street. Thank you.

[56:04] That's my question. Thanks. And I want to clarify too, there's a misconception that people on bikes

[56:10] are not allowed in crosswalks. People on bikes are allowed in crosswalks on their bikes. It's just that

[56:16] at an uncontrolled location,

[56:20] vehicle traffic is not legally required to stop for you

[56:23] if you are on a bike.

[56:25] If traffic has a red light or a stop sign,

[56:27] they are required,

[56:28] but if you're just at an uncontrolled crosswalk

[56:31] on your bike,

[56:32] you're supposed to wait for a break in traffic.

[56:39] All right, interesting stuff here.

[56:40] We're all learning tonight.

[56:41] Thanks for that lesson Bjorn.

[56:43] We will move on to Pamela.

[56:46] Yeah, thank you for that presentation.

[56:48] I appreciate that there were, you know, that you revisited some of the issues before it helped to have it summarized again.

[56:58] I'm very interested in seeing the city do this, and I know this is the moment for some questions, so I'll keep it to that.

[57:04] that. Would there be any removal of parking along 5th Street with those, uh, a column ball

[57:13] bouts around the stop signs? And did any of the neighbors voice any concern about that?

[57:22] So, yes, anywhere we install a, uh, a bullbound, a curve extension, um, there would be, uh, a very

[57:31] minor impact, I would say in most cases one parking space at most two parking spaces.

[57:38] And that is only if they aren't, if they are already there.

[57:42] In a lot of cases we actually already have red curb near street corners.

[57:46] So it's just a question of what's there today and then we maybe have to, you know, extend

[57:51] that red zone if it's already there.

[57:54] But that's, you know, that's something that we really as a city are moving towards anyways

[57:59] as a way to improve site distance and open up site lines at intersections.

[58:06] I mean, it's called intersection day lighting and it's proven to be one of the simplest and most effective things

[58:10] you can do to improve intersection safety.

[58:13] Great. Great. And can you clarify the cross traffic that would be coming, you know, at right angles across

[58:22] should someone want to do that? Well, those all be stopped controlled.

[58:26] then with the sign that says cross traffic does not stop?

[58:32] Yes. So I think the only place where that condition,

[58:35] the only place where that condition would change would be F street

[58:38] and then anywhere where we install the traffic circles.

[58:42] Okay.

[58:43] So we would be able to review all of the,

[58:45] the sign street already be in place,

[58:47] anywhere where cross traffic doesn't stop.

[58:49] But we'll, we'll definitely review all those locations

[58:52] and make sure that that sign is posted.

[58:54] Okay.

[58:56] And what kind of lighting can be done even in this quick build situation for the traffic

[59:03] humps, the speed humps? Do we do anything with paint or reflectors so that people know

[59:09] where the hump is versus the pass through? Yeah, so the humps themselves have kind of a retro

[59:19] reflective chevron on them. And so what you'll see is those basically take up the width of the

[59:27] hump. And then anywhere where you don't see a chevron is a gap. Okay. Okay. That seems

[59:35] important to me for people traveling through their, you know, at night and, you know, wanting to make

[59:40] sure that they're safe and they don't meet an unexpected bump. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah.

[59:46] Yeah, and back to the traffic diverter. I think that at 5th and D.

[59:54] So I'm trying to imagine you had one slide that you showed.

[59:58] I think it was from another community.

[1:00:00] When a person is on 5th and they approach D, I'm wondering how wide is the area that they're

[1:00:12] going to be given as a through fair to cross D? What is that like? And I'm trying to

[1:00:20] And kind of all the changes in that intersection.

[1:00:28] And will the people who are already in a bike lane on D will anything change for them based on the traffic diverters?

[1:00:37] So that's actually why we're actually designing the diverter as part of the D street project because the configuration on D street will.

[1:00:46] Well, the cross section we use, the lane configuration that we use will ultimately impact the design of the diverter and, and so up for, you know, one of the things that we are.

[1:01:00] We're getting seeking community feedback on for the D street project was what lane configuration people wanted. Did they want bike lanes in both directions with parking on one side or did they want bike lane in one direction with parking on both sides.

[1:01:15] And so the design on the diverted design will have to be compatible with that configuration.

[1:01:25] But our goal is to provide something that is wide enough for someone on a bike to wait

[1:01:33] without encroaching on either traveling in either direction.

[1:01:40] So yeah, thought we're definitely going to look very closely at that and try to accomplish

[1:01:45] out if possible. Okay, and if with the design for the diverter that you showed, I'm wondering,

[1:01:53] will there be some alternatives that can be shared at the next community meeting so that

[1:01:58] you might be able to show the community other ways that the same solution is offered in other

[1:02:06] communities? Yeah, that's possible. There are a couple of different types. Yeah, so there's somewhere

[1:02:13] where no refuges provided actually, where basically the diverter is as wide as the existing

[1:02:20] center line, and it's basically just a row of concrete or delineators. That's preventing

[1:02:28] those different movements, the particular movements, maybe with some breaks for people walking

[1:02:33] and biking to get through them. And then there's the design we showed, which actually shows

[1:02:38] like a rapid actual refuge island where it's a little bit wider and there's a place for you to

[1:02:43] stand and wait and wait for traffic to clear, you know, in one direction before proceeding.

[1:02:49] Okay. Great. That's all. That's all I have. Thank you. Thank you.

[1:02:56] Okay, Nicole. Thank you. Thank you, Bjorn. My question is sort of in line with

[1:03:02] if Margin and Pamela can she can be implemented as part of the bullbouts so people don't cut the corners there?

[1:03:14] Yes, so I'm not sure I'm understanding your question.

[1:03:19] The bullbouts would be designed in a way that people, to prohibit people from, or at least discourage people from cutting corners.

[1:03:31] So, are you referring to something that's placed out in the middle of the road or what

[1:03:37] could you describe what you're?

[1:03:40] Yeah, the middle of the road would be great too.

[1:03:45] Yeah, we can look at chicanes.

[1:03:49] We've done some research on chicanes and it's, we haven't found a design.

[1:03:58] And I think so far that we that we've fallen in love with,

[1:04:01] but it's something we want to add to our toolkit, for sure.

[1:04:06] So.

[1:04:12] Hey, Jerry.

[1:04:15] Thank you.

[1:04:16] I just want to put question.

[1:04:19] Your regarding the speed bumps, I think Pamela was talking about.

[1:04:23] Would it be possible to include maybe a foot wide gap,

[1:04:29] maybe one or two in each direction to allow cycles

[1:04:39] that there are actually

[1:04:40] speed bumps included here.

[1:04:43] Yes, and yes, and they would

[1:04:45] they would have those gaps for

[1:04:46] not only for people biking,

[1:04:48] but also for fire trucks.

[1:04:52] Basically to kind of

[1:04:54] if they straddle the center line

[1:04:55] and drive in the middle of the road,

[1:04:57] fire trucks can actually

[1:04:59] pass through the speed bumps

[1:05:00] without being slowed down.

[1:05:03] Okay, so there's some

[1:05:04] space to accommodate the firecrubs.

[1:05:06] OK, yeah, thank you.

[1:05:13] OK, I think those are all the hands I'm seeing.

[1:05:16] Someone please speak up if I'm missing your hand,

[1:05:19] as I'm on my phone, unfortunately,

[1:05:21] and I can't see everyone super well.

[1:05:31] OK, not hearing anything.

[1:05:33] We can move to public comment.

[1:05:35] Lista, would you please go to public comment?

[1:05:41] Those wishing to participate in public comment

[1:05:43] must raise their virtual hand and wait to be called on.

[1:05:45] Speakers are reminded to be respectful in their comments.

[1:05:49] The first speaker will be acknowledged and invited to speak when the three minute countdown

[1:05:53] begins.

[1:05:54] Please make sure to unmute yourself when you are invited to do so.

[1:05:57] The first speaker is Sheila Baker, please unmute yourself and begin your three minutes.

[1:06:05] I just want to say it's an awesome project and I'm going to love it.

[1:06:12] I'm going to write it all the time and I'm just really happy that this project is going forward

[1:06:21] and I just want to compliment and support everyone, especially staff. This worked so hard on this

[1:06:29] and just say that the pedal in the Boulevard South went way beyond my dreams. I never thought

[1:06:36] it was going to be as nice as it is. So good job and thank you so much for this project

[1:06:42] to everyone and advisory committee to and planning commission and liaison future mayor McDonald.

[1:06:52] And just to everyone, thank you so much. It's very, very nice. Thanks.

[1:07:00] You chair upon there and other hands raised.

[1:07:04] Okay, we can come back to the committee for any further

[1:07:08] comments. Please raise your hand if you have further comments to make that weren't

[1:07:13] already made.

[1:07:20] Patricia? Just the last minute spot that, you know, Ken is always

[1:07:26] telling us that no we can't do this, no we can't do that because of the

[1:07:30] emergency vehicles. So I'm very glad that we finally got something that the

[1:07:35] emergency vehicles are okay for us to use. So yay, we got it done. So good job

[1:07:42] you guys. Thank you.

[1:07:51] Kevin, go ahead.

[1:07:54] Thank you. Super stoked on this. It's just been such a long time in the in the making and you know, we're hitting our climate 2030 gold.

[1:08:04] You know, we have to do this one of the next one in the next one this year and next year. So, you know, glad we're getting it right and getting it modeled up.

[1:08:13] one other comment, I noticed that the speed humps on Humboldt, Santa Rosa, say in front of the school there are.

[1:08:23] They have advancing sherrows like the width of a lane.

[1:08:29] Cautionary Chevron, that's what you were called, Chevrons.

[1:08:31] So you really can see that coming in with that lit paint, you know, a pretty visible day night.

[1:08:37] like even if you're dropping off kids at school

[1:08:39] and not paying attention to anything else on the street.

[1:08:43] So that's a possibility.

[1:08:45] Thanks.

[1:08:48] Wait.

[1:08:53] One thing I was just gonna say is that I was

[1:08:56] until today out of country to see my wife's family

[1:09:00] and one of the very cool things that we got to do

[1:09:03] is look at something very much like this

[1:09:06] that they had in the same city.

[1:09:09] And even though it was a more densely populated street

[1:09:12] and even though they're more more mixed use at play,

[1:09:16] this see the inter the interplay of cars,

[1:09:18] people pedestrians that worked out very well.

[1:09:20] I'm sure there were some growing pains,

[1:09:22] but it did exactly what you would want it to do

[1:09:24] without the infrastructure that say a class two

[1:09:28] or something like that might require.

[1:09:31] So I'm very excited to see that happen here.

[1:09:33] And the other note it's gonna make is I totally get why

[1:09:37] that street wanted to call it a neighborhood greenway

[1:09:41] over a bike boulevard. Can you imagine how good that will be for their property values?

[1:09:46] It's just such a great way to be able to add. So I can see why that would be a selling point for people.

[1:09:51] Thank you.

[1:09:55] Thank you, Pamela. Yeah, just touching on this concept of greenway and landscaping.

[1:10:05] At some point in time, will it be possible to include essentially greening up these areas?

[1:10:12] is something low that doesn't impede sight distances.

[1:10:18] I think that would be lovely if there were ways,

[1:10:21] I don't know if that's compatible or not compatible

[1:10:24] in any way with a traffic circle.

[1:10:27] Or if it's all got to be just a couple of inches tall.

[1:10:30] But I think that ultimately if we could incorporate

[1:10:33] some of those green elements, that would be great.

[1:10:36] Is that something that you're considering long term?

[1:10:38] Yeah, so definitely is at any time we make, move to make any of these features, bullbouts or traffic

[1:10:48] circles, especially permanent. That's a really good opportunity to add plantings and adds,

[1:10:57] you know, potentially installed bioswales and rain gardens and so, yeah, absolutely something

[1:11:04] that we're very interested in doing and I will say too I've heard from a cool block

[1:11:10] team leader who lives on fifth street and is very much energized around greening the block

[1:11:17] and I think you know where she's going to start is with you know an area where homeowners can

[1:11:23] already start to make progress without waiting for the city and by installing street trees

[1:11:29] in their sidewalk landscaping strip.

[1:11:33] And so when we surprise, we start seeing more trees

[1:11:36] and greenery on 5th Street on sidewalks

[1:11:41] and in people's yards.

[1:11:42] Great. Yeah.

[1:11:44] Great. I hope you can stress that at the next

[1:11:46] community meeting that if this is a success

[1:11:49] that greening up the area further would be the next step.

[1:11:54] Thank you.

[1:11:58] Marja. Thank you Kelly. I just have one last comment and that's again reflecting the fact

[1:12:06] that I'm so excited that was really I feel like we're really moving in the right direction

[1:12:12] with our by Boulevard or neighborhood Greenway style. We've got other streets in this town

[1:12:19] that are just dying for the same kind of treatment. We've talked about first street we've talked about

[1:12:28] St. Francis, all of these streets parallel boulevards that right now are very frightening for

[1:12:35] walkers and bikers alike. So it's lovely. We've been, as Kevin noted, as Pamela noted,

[1:12:44] I think Nicole said something about this. We've been talking about this for a really long time

[1:12:49] and it's great to see it nearing this point. Thank you to everyone.

[1:12:53] one.

[1:12:58] Great. I don't see any other hands raised. So at this

[1:13:02] point, I think we can close our item of old business. And we can

[1:13:08] move on to item eight in business, which is to review and provide

[1:13:12] feedback on the city's proposed neighborhood traffic calming

[1:13:15] program. I will turn it over to Björn. Alright, great. Thank

[1:13:21] you. And this is the item that was postponed at our last

[1:13:26] meeting and so nothing has changed in the the staff report that you received on this item.

[1:13:36] There's no presentation for this but I can just provide a little bit of background so

[1:13:44] the city this really came about because the city recognized that we are receiving a lot of traffic

[1:13:53] calling requests and they come in a lot of different ways. Some of them go straight to our police

[1:13:59] department when they receive requests to deploy the speed, the speed feedback sign that they've

[1:14:07] got on a trailer or people ask them to come out and do speed enforcement on their streets.

[1:14:14] But then over in public works, we also get traffic calming requests more in the way of what can you do

[1:14:20] to can you install speed humps on my street, or can you install ad stop signs or the bull

[1:14:29] bouts? So we're getting a lot of different speeding-related requests coming in to the

[1:14:35] city different ways. And so we started looking around at what other cities are doing on this.

[1:14:41] And there's actually some really good examples here in the Bay Area. San Francisco, Hayward

[1:14:48] have really well-established neighborhood traffic calming programs and so what they do in both cases is they have a process.

[1:15:00] Through which residents can actually request or apply for traffic calming improvements. And so we're

[1:15:10] looking at, we're in the very early stages of wanting to establish something similar here in

[1:15:17] Petaluma. This is something that, you know, supports our vision zero efforts. It supports our goals

[1:15:27] to achieve carbon neutrality, it supports our goals

[1:15:31] to create safer streets for walking and biking.

[1:15:35] So it's a really good time to be having this conversation

[1:15:39] and we're really eager to get feedbacks feedback on this.

[1:15:44] Just to kind of walk you through a little bit of our initial thinking,

[1:15:50] we would, we're proposing to make applications available

[1:15:55] and accepted on a rolling basis. So there would not be a deadline each year to, you know,

[1:16:03] basically whenever you have an idea and you want to make requests, send it into the city,

[1:16:09] we will evaluate and score applications as they are received. And then we haven't talked

[1:16:15] through all the logistics of whether they would then be delivered as they are received and approved.

[1:16:21] or if we would maybe wait until the construction window each year which is typically in the summer and put out a package of all of the accepted applications and then a bunch of it all goes out on one contract and is all delivered in a span of a few weeks

[1:16:41] throughout the city.

[1:16:42] So, we haven't talked through that, those logistics yet of the delivery, I can tell you,

[1:16:47] you know, just from sort of our experience right now in the winter months, we are still

[1:16:53] processing work orders related to roadway striping and signage and markings.

[1:17:01] In the winter months, when we have rain, those are often delayed and they're really weather

[1:17:05] dependent.

[1:17:06] But we are still able to get some stuff done, so I can certainly see merits to both the

[1:17:12] approaches. And let's see, I'm trying to think of what else is important to mention

[1:17:19] here. This would, we would basically, everything would come in in a centralized fashion. Public

[1:17:26] works and police would both have access to the list. Police would be able to use this to

[1:17:33] sort of figure out where they want to deploy their enforcement efforts. And while public

[1:17:39] like works, assesses, and thinks about what we can do

[1:17:43] on the infrastructure side to support slower traffic speeds.

[1:17:47] And then as for the scoring criteria,

[1:17:51] what we're proposing is a very data-driven process

[1:17:56] to try to ensure that our limited resources in this area

[1:18:02] are put to the, really to the best use

[1:18:07] as far as looking at collision history, looking at speed data, looking at traffic volume on the

[1:18:14] street, and then also looking at location factors like proximity to schools, parks, community

[1:18:19] centers, whether or not the application comes from an area that was identified as a disadvantaged

[1:18:25] community through the general plan update, maybe even looking at whether it's located on an existing

[1:18:34] or proposed bike route in our active transportation plan.

[1:18:38] So all of these are things that we would like to get feedbacks feedback on tonight, you

[1:18:43] know, especially on the criteria.

[1:18:46] Do you like the criteria that we proposed in the staff report?

[1:18:49] Is there something else that you think we should be looking at?

[1:18:54] And do you want to kind of leave this fairly open ended just to get your thoughts and ideas?

[1:18:59] and I think that is all I have for now.

[1:19:05] I'll go ahead and I see Gina's raising her hand.

[1:19:08] So thank you, Gina.

[1:19:10] Yeah, thanks, Bjorn, that was a great summary

[1:19:12] and I just wanted to just add one point of clarification.

[1:19:18] So PDs involvement would also be an evaluation

[1:19:22] of the applications, but when we talk about PD enforcement,

[1:19:27] enforcement. We're also talking about PDE's role in education, which is always their first

[1:19:36] thing that they will do when something like this goes in. And some great examples of that

[1:19:42] are their efforts after the Boulevard South Road diet went in and a lot of striping confusion

[1:19:50] and user confusion about how to use those roads and those lanes and what you could do and what you

[1:19:57] couldn't where you should be and where you can park and where you can drive and and so they

[1:20:03] they were really embracing their roles as teachers and they did the same on Rainier Avenue traffic

[1:20:10] calming when that went in and as a result they really haven't had to do much enforcement at all

[1:20:18] from what I've seen once the education piece falls into place. So they're really valuable partners

[1:20:25] with public works and these projects and will definitely be involved from beginning through implementation and will play a critical role in that piece. That's all. Thanks.

[1:20:43] Thank you. Okay. I'm sure we're all going to have some feedback on this one. So committee members, if you have questions, please raise your virtual hand and I will call on you.

[1:21:00] Blake, go ahead.

[1:21:04] Just to be clear, is the goal more for us to provide feedback on just what we've seen

[1:21:08] in the report or is it a good time to ask questions about the process kind of assuming it's

[1:21:14] further along?

[1:21:18] To be honest, both are fine to provide feedback on what you see in the report,

[1:21:22] but also the great time to ask questions and and see clarification. Great. Just starting off with

[1:21:31] questions, is there going to be an assumption that people making the application will have to do

[1:21:38] any kind of data collection on their own? No, definitely not. Okay, yeah, we do not want to have

[1:21:46] any barriers to this process. It should be as simple as saying where you live, what's your address,

[1:21:56] what's the maybe describe, you know, provide a sensor to describing the problem, and then we'll take

[1:22:01] it from there. We're going to do the data collection. We're going to look at collision history,

[1:22:06] put out a speed radar if we don't already have data. And then we can also do the mapping

[1:22:13] exercise of, you know, is this near school, is it near a park, is it near, is it on a bike route,

[1:22:20] in a disadvantaged community? So, yeah, nope, as few barriers as possible to apply.

[1:22:25] And since you've clarified that it's going to be on a rolling basis, does this mean that

[1:22:29] approval to move forward on these projects is actually going to be once per year but more of when

[1:22:34] something scores high enough, you're ready to go with it. That's that's something we haven't yet

[1:22:40] talked through is kind of the the delivery method whether yeah that needs to be figured out with

[1:22:50] with consideration to our budget and also to just what are banned with this to actually design

[1:22:59] and then deliver the improvements. Like I said earlier, I think there's probably some merits to

[1:23:04] doing a package once a year, but there's also probably, you know, you could make the opposite

[1:23:10] argument for just kind of cranking these out throughout the year. So if we need, that's going to be a

[1:23:17] stop from conversation to see what we can make fit with our resources.

[1:23:22] Is there going to be a way with the application to provide some context to folks,

[1:23:26] essentially to say ahead of time, like, hey, if you're providing an issue involving the placement

[1:23:32] of a sign, that's one thing. But if you're highlighting an issue that may require capital improvement

[1:23:38] money, that would theoretically take a lot longer. So they have a context of what they're applying for

[1:23:43] their timetable. That's a really good point that and something I think we fail to mention in the

[1:23:52] staff report is that it makes sense probably to create some sort of toolbox that at least gives

[1:23:59] people a rough idea of what types of traffic calming improvements are we'll look at

[1:24:08] and because there's just there's a lot of different things you can do right you can do

[1:24:12] traffic certain rules you could do shakains, bullbouts, speed humps. Maybe it's an issue with

[1:24:18] that doesn't involve any of those. Maybe we just need to strike the curb red near an intersection.

[1:24:23] So really good point about getting people a sense of the flavor of what they could expect.

[1:24:35] The plan is not to really go into capital improvement, the capital improvement realm with this.

[1:24:40] we want to be able, these should be achievable in a quick build fashion, similar to that bull

[1:24:46] about at Loma Vista. That's really, I think, the spirit of this is to be able to deliver

[1:24:52] immediate impacts. And then those can always be made more permanent as part of a future project

[1:25:00] on that street. That's perfect. And I know this idea has been thrown around, but I did have some

[1:25:08] concern with it? Is there going to be a requirement, any kind of requirement, for people to show there's broader support for this concern or issue on the street or on the street that they're highlighting?

[1:25:23] We don't have that in our criteria now, but I know it's, I know San Francisco uses that San Francisco I believe has a petition that they want you to submit from showing neighborhood support.

[1:25:38] It's not a requirement, but I think it's a, I believe it's, it's not a requirement, but actually something that just kind of gets you bonus points.

[1:25:49] So yeah, be interested in getting the committee's feedback and public feedback on whether that's something you feel is important to scoring these projects.

[1:25:59] Well, and on that front, I would like to say

[1:26:06] sorry about it,

[1:26:11] but sorry, you're muted.

[1:26:14] Sorry. Okay, am I muted now? Yes, you are. Sorry.

[1:26:20] I understand the spirit of this is for quick builds. Just knowing the nature of how people are,

[1:26:26] I assume they're probably the first few that get submitted will immediately be,

[1:26:31] the, hey, I want to see this, this, and this, and then the other thing to the reason I bring that up is because I think it's reasonable to have a requirement when you're asking for a great deal of change on a street for a petition of your community.

[1:26:47] But what I don't want to see is you have to organize your whole neighborhood just to get some paint.

[1:26:52] So I just want to make sure there's a mill ground to that because at the end of the day people shouldn't have to be after this just to get basic improvements for the streets even though I know sometimes they have to be here, but I just wanted to flag that.

[1:27:07] Yeah, yeah, completely hear you there.

[1:27:12] And that's, you know, again, kind of going back to the barriers to the application.

[1:27:16] That's where, you know, we don't want this to be a process that people are intimidated by.

[1:27:22] And then they don't go, you know, someone shouldn't feel intimidated to apply to this because they're afraid of, you know, going and knocking on their neighbor's door.

[1:27:31] So my personal feeling is that based on sort of San Francisco's, you know, that it could be a bonus, but maybe not a requirement.

[1:27:40] And but again, this is all sort of up for up for discussion.

[1:27:46] Of course, I have two more things than I will stop the promise.

[1:27:51] I was going to ask if for the scoring criteria will the road conditions also be a factor?

[1:28:01] That's not in there right now, but we can certainly look at that. Are you thinking because?

[1:28:10] I was thinking for like efficiency purposes that then they could then be delivered

[1:28:19] by the Paving Project or.

[1:28:21] I'm thinking for that.

[1:28:22] I'm also thinking of if let's say if somebody's highlighting an excessive amount of traffic

[1:28:28] on a side street that's also got a certain amount of decay, doing something there might allow

[1:28:34] that road to last a little bit longer before there's a greater need for infrastructure repair there.

[1:28:40] So I was just thinking in terms of preventative maintenance.

[1:28:49] And then the one, oh, and then the one

[1:28:53] comment I was going to make is just I understand the scoring is still being determined and how that

[1:28:58] actually pans out will probably change a bit. But I do hope that location, especially to schools,

[1:29:07] communities and places like community centers and hospitals plays a heavy role in the scoring just

[1:29:13] given that these should also double as they're safe for us to school concerns. So that's all. Thank

[1:29:20] you. Thank you Blake Patricia.

[1:29:28] So my first concern was to that Blake sort of touched on it that

[1:29:33] and at all unsuccessful applications will automatically be rolled over but so my question is

[1:29:40] Are you giving feedback to the person who's put it in so that they know oh, I should have said it this way or that way, you know, that's my sort of so that they know that they needed more information or a little more direction or question.

[1:29:58] because

[1:30:00] Maybe what you're seeing is not what they're asking for. You know, when you go into the traffic data and get all that out, maybe they wanted something more simple. So that's just sort of my question, how will you give that request feedback instead of just saying, oh, sorry, no, not this time, but give them feedback. And then the second question is, okay, so after you've got all this organized and you've

[1:30:29] We've done it, will P back be involved into helping you discuss it?

[1:30:36] So to the first question, I can't imagine there would really be any way for people to

[1:30:43] revise or improve upon their application, considering the way we've written this up.

[1:30:51] Your application is basically just saying, hey, there's a problem here.

[1:30:55] I want you to collect the data on this and evaluate it.

[1:30:58] And then from there, the city's taking it and looking at, again, like the speed data,

[1:31:03] collision history location, and then giving it a score.

[1:31:08] And so, you know, it really just be a question of where did it fall among the applications that we've received.

[1:31:15] And if it wasn't successful, then, you know, it's still rolled over to the next year and taken into consideration with the next pool.

[1:31:24] So really, again, the burden is not on the person requesting the improvement to make the case,

[1:31:31] or make a compelling case of why their street needs traffic calming. It's really just trying,

[1:31:37] we're trying to keep it as objective as possible and data driven. And then for your second question

[1:31:44] in about P back, you know, if it's something that P back wants to play a role in, I think

[1:31:54] we could explore that. You know, my feelings that you have a lot on your plates, and I

[1:32:01] think it has to give you something else, but this could be something that we provide regular

[1:32:08] updates on. It could be, you know, maybe there's even some sub-tasks. Like, for example, the

[1:32:13] toolbox development where if you back can review and play a role, definitely open to

[1:32:21] the working video. Yeah, I mean, you know, we just like to be helpful. So, you know, and

[1:32:30] you know, without being judgmental, we're just sort of giving our feelings, right? Of,

[1:32:35] you know, maybe you thought it wasn't enough, you know, if you give us updates of these 10 that

[1:32:41] came in and you're going to give these five the go ahead then maybe we have input why the other five

[1:32:50] should be higher rep or something I don't know just okay thank you

[1:32:59] Nicole go ahead

[1:33:03] thank you

[1:33:04] thanks for putting this together I think this has a lot of exciting potential and I love the idea

[1:33:13] of feedback having a role in this and looking at projects and the toolbox. I think we had talked about

[1:33:25] having a tactical urbanism ad hoc and then we said we wanted to see this program and this isn't

[1:33:35] tactical urbanism, exactly. I think it's a great start, but I would really love for us to be

[1:33:44] able to give some feedback as this gets going since it's not in its firm, it's a solid state yet.

[1:33:54] I would emphasize all of Blake's comments, and I just would like to see this program have a more immediate impact than I see that it is at this point.

[1:34:14] with and I understand that everything hasn't been thought through in terms of the process,

[1:34:26] but the annual application part, I think we could reconfigure that. I think that the community

[1:34:35] having ownership over this, is what was intended when the Safe Streets platform was adopted

[1:34:46] by the City Council, and we've been the tactical urbanism piece was a part of that.

[1:34:55] I'm also curious how the Petaluma Equitable Climate Action Coalition might be included

[1:35:04] in part of this. I believe this city gives a stipend for the work that they do, which

[1:35:10] is related to transportation, because I am a person that loves data and in my work,

[1:35:18] I rely on data all the time, but in this case, I think there's a lot of instances where

[1:35:24] we really need to be more community driven rather than data driven. And I think that having

[1:35:35] neighbourhoods or a person bring their design and ideas forward, and the city helping them implement it would be a faster and more reactive approach and hopefully more successful, I think, I think some of the co-block leaders have demonstrated that already on a smaller scale.

[1:36:00] So,

[1:36:05] yeah, and on the other side of that, I just want to add, I was reading the mobility

[1:36:11] equity analysis through the Greenlining Institute, and something that resonated for me there

[1:36:22] was, it says not, just the idea that you can't only rely on neighborhood groups, but the staff,

[1:36:29] and maybe this is part of PX role really needs to actively engage with the disadvantage areas.

[1:36:36] So I don't know if this is something that we could rely on the equitable climate action

[1:36:43] coalition to do, but I'm concerned, you know, especially with my attention on McDowell right now

[1:36:51] and how we have like the older population and people trying to get places communially without sidewalks,

[1:36:57] like how we're engaging these communities

[1:37:01] and who's doing that work.

[1:37:04] So we are really making sure that we're collecting

[1:37:08] the whole picture there.

[1:37:10] So thanks.

[1:37:11] Thank you for listening to my thoughts.

[1:37:17] Bjorn, do you have any responses to Nicole?

[1:37:22] Well, there's a lot there to unpack.

[1:37:25] I so when I heard was that feedback

[1:37:31] involvement is a good thing, especially when it comes to the toolbox and review of

[1:37:39] project of approved projects that she did not like the annual review. I think in the

[1:37:48] spirit of getting projects implemented sort of as they're received, that it would be great

[1:37:56] to have some neighborhood empowerment. And that's an area where I think the toolbox would

[1:38:01] really important is sort of to help show people what's possible on their streets, what designs we've

[1:38:10] vetted and approved with our fire departments, for example, right?

[1:38:16] There might be certain designs

[1:38:19] that are feasible in certain locations and not in others or that are a good fit for some locations

[1:38:26] but not others. So I think that that would be really important, you know, there's definitely not an intention to

[1:38:34] to completely drive the process and design the whatever improvements we think are a good fit

[1:38:44] without any sort of dialogue with the neighborhood, right? It's not like you just send your application off

[1:38:50] into the city's black box and then all the sudden one day something shows up on your street and

[1:38:58] you had no say in what it looks like or what it achieves. I think this is a really important

[1:39:03] process to create, attempt to create some dialogue and transparency between the city and the residents

[1:39:11] on what's involved in making improvements on city streets.

[1:39:17] And so, yeah, there should hopefully be a really good dialogue there between the city

[1:39:23] and the folks who have applied for traffic calming on their streets.

[1:39:30] And then, yeah, our intention was to use the, again, to engage or to use the disadvantaged communities

[1:39:39] in our scoring. I think, you know, partnering with PCAC is a great suggestion. One of the things that

[1:39:48] we're really interested in doing is evaluating locations that citywide so that we're considering

[1:39:58] areas, you know, based on our criteria that need these fixes, whether or not we receive an application.

[1:40:03] So again, we really want to make sure it's petaluma as a vision zero city now, so we know that we want to eliminate severe injuries and deaths from from traffic collisions.

[1:40:19] And in order to do that, we need to look at our collision data and we need to, you know, basically have a methodical approach to identifying areas that need improvement.

[1:40:35] So yeah, hopefully that is a good enough response to the call if there's anything I missed there. Please let me know.

[1:40:44] Thank you.

[1:40:49] Okay, we'll move on to Pamela.

[1:40:53] Great. I think Bjorn's last comments addressed some of my concerns about how the neighbors would be involved.

[1:41:01] This to me sounds like potentially a lot of new community outreach work.

[1:41:06] And I'm thrilled that staff feel like this is important and they want to promote this and get people excited.

[1:41:16] I like other speakers tonight. I would like to see a lot of these things just get implemented pretty quickly.

[1:41:24] And things like paint. Yeah. Somebody feels like they need more red paint in front of their house.

[1:41:30] they live on a corner and people can't see who's coming and safely move around, especially

[1:41:37] anybody on, you know, these streets where we're trying to encourage more bike-ped traffic.

[1:41:42] I think those kinds of things should score high.

[1:41:46] So in terms of the scoring criteria, yeah, how quick, how inexpensive, if it affects a home

[1:41:54] or two, I would imagine the outreach to the neighborhood would look different, but I would

[1:42:03] think that if something affected an entire street, I'd like to have this body be informed

[1:42:10] and maybe consulted about that, but I wouldn't want to slow you down. I would want you to move

[1:42:17] with these things quickly. And I think it's great that we're talking about how the different

[1:42:24] community groups can organically have these many projects on their streets that make where they

[1:42:31] live a way to meet their neighbors, make it more safe for their kids and themselves to move around.

[1:42:37] I think that's great. I'm just really honestly quite proud of whoever came up with these ideas.

[1:42:44] is, this is, this is awesome. Those are my thoughts.

[1:42:53] Okay, Stacey here at.

[1:42:58] Thank you. I think

[1:43:00] this idea is great. I echo a lot of the other sentiments. I have two things. I would assume

[1:43:09] this, but if I don't ask, I don't know for sure. I would assume that when people do an application,

[1:43:15] there is going to be something sent back to them, saying that it's been received in some sort of a

[1:43:21] Q.

[1:43:23] Then with those applicants then also at the end of the year be notified of where say their project fell, you know say there's 500 applications right with those 500 people then be notified at whatever said date that these things are looked at kind of so that they know where things fall.

[1:43:47] And then my last one is with that ranking system, could there be some way of instead of looking at things once a year, if it's something like, you know, a parking block or some red paint.

[1:44:02] Could those things be looked at three or four times a year, where things that were of, you know, complete remodel or, you know, a bigger thing that would affect multiple blocks, those things maybe once a year.

[1:44:14] I don't know if you've looked at that, but those are my questions, comments.

[1:44:21] So, yes, all the questions around, you know, just the ongoing dialogue and engagement with anyone who has applied just to make them aware of how their project scored, how it compared to others, where it falls in the queue.

[1:44:39] that's definitely a goal of this is to, again, kind of create that transparency and that dialogue

[1:44:45] between the city and our residents. And then as for, you know, the minor improvements, I really,

[1:44:57] you know, that's that's going to.

[1:45:00] A lot of that will depend on how popular this becomes and how it affects the city's bandwidth.

[1:45:08] Major credit to Jeff Stutzman, our city engineer and Dylan Frisbee, our traffic engineering

[1:45:18] technician who do a really good job when they receive requests for things like red curb

[1:45:26] from the public or even from us at staff do a good job of making sure those that lower

[1:45:33] hanging fruit at least that we're able to get those out there. Really good example

[1:45:37] being our chair, Kelly Bond, asked for Red Curb at where Washington Creek trail crosses

[1:45:45] Maria Drive and we got a work order in for her and that was striped a couple of weeks ago

[1:45:52] and she reached out yesterday and said she was so happy when she saw that red curb go in.

[1:45:57] So that's the kind of stuff that is easier for the city to deliver on an ongoing basis.

[1:46:07] Yeah, I think it's really kind of a question of seeing how popular this program becomes

[1:46:11] and what we have the bandwidth for.

[1:46:16] Great. I mean, prior to this, I would have had no idea really how to make something like this

[1:46:22] happened and even took notes on like three very small items where I was like, oh, I could

[1:46:26] actually make this request. So this is wonderful. Thank you.

[1:46:30] Yeah, thanks.

[1:46:34] Thank you. Okay, Kevin.

[1:46:37] Thank you. Yeah, I love the report and that you're codified in the process and

[1:46:43] when you contact all those kind of things.

[1:46:48] I always hate hearing the term limited resources that you use occasionally. I mean,

[1:46:54] I get that it's overwhelming that the bucket is not big enough, but you know, I'm kind of curious, you know, what you feel perceived budgetary limitation is, you know, credit fair credit to safe streets petaluma for pushing the council to having a top 10 goal of having exactly this type of project, you know, not just the big streets but also the little things also to make petaluma safer the council adopted that is top 10 goal.

[1:47:23] I would love to see that listed in your staff report, but not only are you working on the top

[1:47:29] 250 from four years ago, but this year's top 10, you're trying to hit in this year's top 10.

[1:47:37] And this program may not hit exactly what is Council's vision for that top 10 goal.

[1:47:47] It may be more when staff feels is immediately achievable or controllable given volume flowing at it from all areas, but you know it's an important good step.

[1:48:03] So I'm wondering St. Francis is one of the major overlay projects coming up and parts of it hidden in disadvantaged areas, not all of it, but.

[1:48:12] and we've talked about as bike boulevard.

[1:48:16] And that's would be safe street petaluma's thought

[1:48:20] of what it meant to have that top 10 goal,

[1:48:23] is the paving project on St. Francis

[1:48:26] that's currently, I suppose, in design,

[1:48:30] considering being a bike boulevard

[1:48:33] and getting it all done in wealth, one fell swoop.

[1:48:38] Because that would mean the PR would have to be starting now,

[1:48:40] the community engagement, all that.

[1:48:41] So how are we doing that project?

[1:48:48] So I know that the St. Francis is an existing bike route, and that has been taken into consideration

[1:48:59] with the design.

[1:49:00] I can't get into design specifics without Ken.

[1:49:04] That's a project he's managing, and unfortunately he is not here tonight, but we could definitely

[1:49:10] get you an update on the not only the design but any engagement for that project at next

[1:49:17] month's meeting. I think you're not just the design for it but the connection to being a bike

[1:49:25] boulevard. We're drilling down on fifth and investing tons of staff time on fifth and it's really

[1:49:32] consuming all the staff time each project takes. So just that the earlier we know that that's what we're

[1:49:39] doing on St. Francis or not will really help make staff time go efficiently and avoid having

[1:49:48] bumps in the public relation process as we proceed. Similarly, maybe you can tell us the

[1:49:55] status or story of the Victoria Crosswalk the neighbors have asked and they've talked

[1:50:01] of many on this group and around trying to figure out how they can act a safety solution at the

[1:50:08] busy intersection in Victoria and my worry again is is not the cost of the solution. It's

[1:50:15] the consumption of limited staff resource. I think that our most limited resource is staff

[1:50:21] not capital dollars. So can you tell us how they can get to the finish line on Victoria?

[1:50:30] You know that's a case where we have actually looked very closely at that

[1:50:39] intersection and have taken a very close look especially at the residence request for

[1:50:46] an always stop. Didn't meet our does not meet stop warrants for an always stop

[1:50:55] and have come up with a possible alternative improvement that would involve bullbouts and pedestrian

[1:51:04] and refuge. So that's, you know, something we're the city we're eager to to work towards

[1:51:11] a solution.

[1:51:14] But based on the stop one and else, it's it's not an always stop for our recommendation.

[1:51:21] I see Janice hand up and I will. Yeah, thanks, Bjorn.

[1:51:32] Sorry.

[1:51:35] Thanks, Bjorn. I think we're getting a little off topic and I think we, you know, we can

[1:51:40] agendize this and or address this by comment back to questions to Council Member McDonald,

[1:51:51] Mayor McDonald. But I think for purposes of the meeting and the agenda item, I think we can move on

[1:52:00] everything that you've relayed is accurate Bjorn and that's great and I think that's probably what

[1:52:06] what we can talk about at this point and move on to more questions on the agenda item if we could.

[1:52:15] I'm okay with that. We have a lot of challenges and we need to figure out how to effectively

[1:52:25] we triage them. And that's what this program will do. I'm just anxious to see the program

[1:52:30] get there and do it. So thanks. We share that enthusiasm. Believe me.

[1:52:38] Thank you. Okay, Jerry.

[1:52:45] Thank you. Let me ask a silly question. How is this funded? Is this coming

[1:52:51] not of existing funds and is really just re-determining how street repair and maintenance is going to be

[1:53:02] done with the emphasis on by-compete considerations. Or is this new funds? Where's the funds for all this?

[1:53:14] And so you want to do that or I'll just ask everything and then yeah go ahead okay and then to

[1:53:24] Blake's point the consideration of the condition of the streets I think at some time in the past can

[1:53:32] have referred to a index of the streets that rated each street the condition of you know I guess

[1:53:42] from good, bad to terrible.

[1:53:44] So if that's available, that criteria would be useful to include too, I think.

[1:53:52] And on your list of location factors, those are all important.

[1:53:59] I think the designated as in existing or proposed bike route would almost automatically address the proximity to schools, parks and community centers.

[1:54:11] And also would be most likely, hopefully, a plus

[1:54:18] for disadvantaged communities as well.

[1:54:23] I guess my thought in all this is that to me,

[1:54:28] that the overriding criteria is to create a network

[1:54:33] of bike groups so that everybody can use them.

[1:54:38] and we can get people on bikes and out of cars

[1:54:40] and school kids on bikes.

[1:54:43] So, and there was, one of the other things that occurred

[1:54:48] to me that when you're talking about the different things

[1:54:50] that could be requested, I wonder if we could,

[1:54:53] we used to have the Safe Streets program

[1:54:56] where small neighborhood streets were just close off

[1:55:00] through traffic.

[1:55:01] And I don't know whatever happened to that,

[1:55:03] But that would be nice to re-institute.

[1:55:09] I know where I live, there's a couple little short streets,

[1:55:12] couple blocks that were shut down.

[1:55:15] And I saw kids coming out and playing and using the whole street and so forth.

[1:55:22] So that would seem like something that you might want to include in the

[1:55:26] possibilities, along with red paint and signs and so forth.

[1:55:32] As an improvement that the neighborhood could ask for, and maybe you could, when I'm done,

[1:55:40] you could ask what, what did happen to that safe program?

[1:55:44] It just seemed to disappear.

[1:55:47] Also, I do agree that feedback should be involved.

[1:55:53] You know, because we're overseeing this stuff.

[1:55:57] I don't doubt that there's all good intentions,

[1:56:02] but that is kind of our role.

[1:56:03] So yeah, we should be involved in that.

[1:56:08] And I thought there was something else,

[1:56:10] but that could be it.

[1:56:11] Thank you Bjorn.

[1:56:15] Okay, thank you, Jerry.

[1:56:18] So I heard the question about,

[1:56:20] I believe the slow streets,

[1:56:22] the temporary closures to through traffic

[1:56:27] that was rolled out on a handful of streets throughout the city earlier in the pandemic.

[1:56:36] And by understanding so that was just sort of a time limited program early in the pandemic to basically to kind of allow people to exercise and maintain social distancing on city streets.

[1:56:55] And Gina, I don't know if that's why your hand is up on

[1:57:00] Wyce List retended or okay.

[1:57:03] Well, sorry, it timed out.

[1:57:05] It was a it was a COVID-19 project.

[1:57:09] And we piloted it during COVID-19.

[1:57:13] And it was funded through some of the some of the government funding that came to

[1:57:20] the Petaluma through, you know, in working through COVID-19 impacts. So it was always understood

[1:57:31] that if the projects, if the So Street's projects were popular, we would follow up and work

[1:57:41] on memorializing similar projects in a more permanent way, and that's what this is doing.

[1:57:50] Thanks, Gina. And I don't know, was your hand up on the budget question or so I can, I could speak to it. It was up because I forgot to lower it.

[1:58:02] But I can answer that. So I don't believe that we've identified.

[1:58:08] Jerry, we haven't identified all of the funding sources that would be tapped for this.

[1:58:13] to on some smaller, very basic striping projects.

[1:58:18] Those might actually be born out of our streets operations

[1:58:22] budget because we do striping internally

[1:58:27] with our own forces.

[1:58:29] On other projects, we would be looking to work

[1:58:33] with our finance director and our public works director

[1:58:38] and identifying where we wanna look to.

[1:58:43] for funding. There could be RMRA street funds. There could be some other other funding sources,

[1:58:54] including even our utility funds, if any of you know, some beauty of sometimes of doing these

[1:59:00] projects and marrying them with underground improvements, underground utility improvements, because

[1:59:07] is if you're going to repair or replace some laterals

[1:59:13] or remain in a street, you have to repair

[1:59:19] and restripe anyway.

[1:59:21] And so then it becomes a great way to finance

[1:59:24] some simpler surface improvements too.

[1:59:29] So lots of different funding mechanisms

[1:59:31] that we'll be exploring and all of them right now are TBD.

[1:59:36] and

[1:59:40] just to clarify too for Jerry, so this would not necessarily, you know, we're still

[1:59:47] going to have some streets that get repaved annually. And as part of those paving projects,

[1:59:55] we're looking at traffic calming improvements. That's just sort of baked into that.

[2:00:00] Process, that's separate from this. This is really targeted at, like, quick build spot improvements. Whether or not your street is getting repaved, we wanted to deliver some traffic calming improvements for you. There could definitely be benefits to potentially waiting for a paving project if one is, you know, right around the corner to make these improvements. If, you know, if our highest scoring application is on a street that is going to be repaved that summer, it would just make sense.

[2:00:30] to hold off until the streets we paid that summer probably, but really we're going to look to

[2:00:36] take advantage of whatever opportunities are out there to make traffic calming improvements.

[2:00:47] Thank you. Blake, I'm going to come back to you after we hear public comments since you've spoken

[2:00:53] on this item already. I hope that's okay. I do have just a couple of questions to add to the mix

[2:00:59] before we go to public comment I guess I'm wondering what do you mentioned Bjorn looking at other

[2:01:06] cities and their similar programs which I think is smart why reinvent the wheel and I guess I'm

[2:01:11] wondering what does their timeline look like for reviewing these types of applications that are

[2:01:17] accepted on a rolling basis how are they handling that because yeah I would love to see you know quick

[2:01:24] build projects quick to build the projects hopefully also quick to take from application to paint on

[2:01:30] the ground or whatever it is on the ground. So I'd love to see that that move as quickly as possible.

[2:01:39] And then I guess I'm wondering if the in the traffic data that you'd be collecting is pedestrian

[2:01:46] bicycle counts would that be included somewhere and if not could that be included

[2:01:52] You know, it could go one way or the other more by competitive, you know, okay, that's great. A lot of people are using this space, but the lack of my competitors might just mean it's really dangerous.

[2:02:02] So, I think just contextually nice to have not that it would be a plus or a minus for an application, but something to consider.

[2:02:11] And then I'm wondering if, you know, we've heard a bit tonight from committee members around tactical urbanism and kind of the safe streets group, but they were initially proposing with tactical urbanism and I'm wondering if there's an opportunity to have kind of a subset of this traffic calming program where if there are community groups and I know several that are really important.

[2:02:41] change, just do a traffic circle or do whatever it is. And if they're, you know, they're

[2:02:47] willing to do the actual work to put something in, the city comes and checks it to make sure

[2:02:52] it's done correctly. And it's a pilot for a month and the community is, that neighborhood is tasked

[2:02:58] with maintaining whatever the project is, making sure it's okay. And then, you know, it would be

[2:03:04] evaluated after that month. And I'm wondering if, you know, we can model a similar program to pilot

[2:03:11] after other cities around the country

[2:03:14] that are also doing similar programs

[2:03:17] where neighbor has a really empowered to,

[2:03:19] they wanna do something and they work with the city

[2:03:22] and they have ownership over that pilot.

[2:03:26] And so it'd be great to have both,

[2:03:28] not necessarily an amp or but to have both of these things.

[2:03:33] I think it would be a great opportunity

[2:03:35] to get so many more projects done faster.

[2:03:37] If we have community support to do some of them, so I would just add that as well.

[2:03:47] Yeah, thank you. Great feedback on the application window. Happy to I can look around at other programs and follow up on that.

[2:04:00] San Francisco, as I know, is an annual program with a hard deadline and your project either

[2:04:07] makes the cut or it doesn't.

[2:04:10] I'm not sure about Haywords or some of the other programs out there.

[2:04:16] As for tactical urbanism, I'm really not comfortable talking to that without knowing central liability

[2:04:25] ability issues, not to mention any issues around having members of the public, potentially

[2:04:32] designing, installing, maintaining traffic control devices, but something that we can certainly

[2:04:42] look into, especially looking at other cities that have rolled out tactical or urbanism

[2:04:47] programs and to see how they've addressed those issues.

[2:04:54] Thanks Bjorn. Yeah, I'm sure the safe streets folks will be happy to follow up with more information on existing cities that have that and how they handle liability and because obviously that jumped in my mind.

[2:05:06] How do you handle that? So I'll leave it to them to send you some more information if they haven't already.

[2:05:12] Okay, I don't see any other new hands up so we can move to public comment on this item.

[2:05:20] Okay, a moderator, would you please move public comment?

[2:05:23] Yes, those wishing to participate in public comment must raise their virtual hand and

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[2:05:38] The first speaker is Harris Weaver, please go ahead and begin your three minutes of public

[2:05:43] comment.

[2:05:46] I think so, Iris, we've heard from County Bicycle Coalition, this whole project, this whole

[2:05:53] thing is kind of interesting, but also as I was reading through this staff report, there's

[2:06:00] a lot of it that I was still sort of felt sort of vague to react to, like what the application

[2:06:06] process, okay, there'll be a process, but I'm hoping that it will be simple and not something

[2:06:12] that is so complicated or yeah so complicated or full of jargon or something that people won't

[2:06:19] really be able to fill it out easily. I had a comment in response to Kelly's talking about

[2:06:29] that more sort of temporary things and something that I've been very much looking at is pop up

[2:06:36] kind of things like bike lanes and cross walks that sort of a more temporary thing than the quick build things of the city's been doing. I did a wonderful webinar led by Dick Campbell from bike East Bay and they have been doing

[2:06:54] helping various cities do these like day-long or a couple of weeks or two long pop-up experimental

[2:07:03] things and they've got a whole system for creating the materials ahead of time that can be laid out

[2:07:14] there and will stay for, you know, a week or a few days or whatever and then be rolled back up and

[2:07:21] taken away and be able to be used again, which I'm very interested in, rather than going out with

[2:07:26] chalk paint or something that then has to be washed. This is stuff that can be laid down driven over

[2:07:31] and then rolled up and taken away and used again. And so I've been thinking a lot about how

[2:07:36] to work with any jurisdictions that are interested to do something like that, because it would seem that

[2:07:43] we the bike coalition could be a partner in helping create and store the materials, but then

[2:07:54] be able to, you know, go from place to place, from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, who is interested

[2:07:59] in like, okay, let's do a pop-up buffer bike lane here or a crosswalk there so that people can

[2:08:08] experience it, but I have to figure out where to get money to do it. Anyway, I sort of get

[2:08:13] rambling now, but that was something that worked up in my brain as Kelly was talking about that.

[2:08:19] Thanks.

[2:08:21] Thank you. Chair Bond there. No other hands raised.

[2:08:28] Okay. Thank you so much for that

[2:08:31] comment. We'll go to Blake.

[2:08:36] Thank you. I realized there were a few items I left off my list,

[2:08:39] and I also just want to respond to something really quick.

[2:08:43] I was going to ask whether or not this application was going to end up on the Engage Petaluma app,

[2:08:49] because I think this would be a great way to make use of that application that few people seem to

[2:08:54] know exists.

[2:08:57] The other thing I was going to flag, I know it'll make this a bit harder, but given the

[2:09:03] population we have, it'd be great to see this also translated in Spanish,

[2:09:07] making that an accessible way of using it. And then I just wanted to flag, I think we've been

[2:09:16] talking about two separate things when we're talking about what this process does and we're talking

[2:09:21] about neighborhood empowerment and community engagement. I mean, this is effectively a new government

[2:09:26] program, very small local program, but it's effectively a new program. So you want it to be reliable

[2:09:32] accessible for everyone. I love the idea of neighborhoods coming together and coming up with their own ideas, but you also don't want a situation where if you live in a neighborhood where no one has the time because they're working or whatever other responsibilities they have to do in their daily life that they're not going to get very far because they don't happen to have somebody with time who likes to engage in city transit.

[2:09:56] So one thing I would suggest more to Chair Bond's point is that this be separate, separate programs all together.

[2:10:05] Let's make this reliable and accessible, something people know they're going to get a response to, something people are going to be able to understand, especially with the having some kind of tiered process or toolkit.

[2:10:15] have PBAC be involved, but have PBAC be involved when it's more complicated? Like if it's we need

[2:10:22] some paid or we need a curb that isn't quite striped right like that that shouldn't be stuff that

[2:10:27] involves us that slows them down. It should be when it's hey we're competing between these items and

[2:10:33] they might actually require a serious budgetary expats that I think is more of something to involve

[2:10:39] PBAC for. And then for making sure that neighborhoods can get involved for tactical urbanism, I think

[2:10:45] that that's got to be its own program. If you add that to this, it's going to make it

[2:10:50] unmanageable for staff, which is from my perspective. Anyway, thank you.

[2:11:00] Thank you, Kevin.

[2:11:03] Just as I thought, maybe we can define the different types of projects as maintenance level versus

[2:11:09] capital level. And we staff has, you know, a $50,000 latitude on what's a maintenance task and

[2:11:16] doesn't have to be vetted heavily, you know, maybe everyone can be a winner at that level

[2:11:22] and gets involved, gets an annual if it hits over the $50,000 or what you'd call capital

[2:11:31] which inherently means not quit built. So, you know, maybe that's just a different way

[2:11:37] of setting the bar, thanks.

[2:11:39] Okay.

[2:11:47] I don't see any other hands raised. I just have another comment or two. I, yeah, would

[2:11:57] highly stress the how it might be helpful to really specify the types of projects that

[2:12:04] are eligible for the traffic calming program, fun little icons that make it very, you know,

[2:12:11] clear what each type of project is, what it looks like for folks that might not be as familiar

[2:12:16] with like terminology. I'm sure other communities have good examples of that.

[2:12:22] And then also just to echo the, you know, maybe having a checkbox or something

[2:12:27] for showing community support. If you're submitting an application, but not to Blake's point,

[2:12:35] I also would not want this to, you know, be restricted to neighborhoods where there are more people

[2:12:43] that have capacity to be activists and engage with neighbors and, you know, I wouldn't want that to

[2:12:49] to share anyone. So I like the idea of having bonus points if there's community support but

[2:12:56] but not, you know, I just want to be sensitive to the fact that not all neighborhoods or neighbors

[2:13:01] are going to be able to be advocates have the time to to do that. So capturing it might be nice,

[2:13:08] but okay I'm rambling now sorry let's see anything else on my list.

[2:13:17] I think that's it for now thank you. Okay. Let's see any other hands? No. All right. I just want to say just thank you to to the committee for such a good dialogue on this and for really, you know, digging into this topic and asking a lot of good questions providing a lot of good feedback.

[2:13:42] back and apologize, definitely understand that the staff report was big, but that was

[2:13:48] really because we wanted to come to you with this being somewhat open-ended still and

[2:13:54] really get all of your ideas out on the table before we go too far with this.

[2:13:59] So thank you very much for all the great feedback tonight.

[2:14:06] Thank you.

[2:14:06] I think we're all really excited to see how this evolves and we can add on to it or have

[2:14:11] separate other programs. Okay. I will close item eight and we'll move on to item nine staff comment. I will turn it back to Bjorn.

[2:14:25] Okay, so I let's see the bullet points. I included this month were bike parking, Howard Street Paving and Lynch Creek Trail improvements by the river band developer.

[2:14:41] I have one additional bullet to share and that's on bike share.

[2:14:47] We actually just learned that Sonoma County Transportation Authority and Transportation

[2:14:52] Authority Marin plan to re-issue their request for proposals soon as you probably

[2:15:00] Assemblymember, the bike share system, sadly, or the operator who is going to operate bike share in Sonoma and Marin County's seems to have gone bankrupt or basically disappeared overnight. So that's really exciting news that SCTA and TAM are going to get that RFP back out. What's also exciting is that the RFP will include an option to

[2:15:29] to include scooters in addition to bikes.

[2:15:34] So bikes are required, scooters are optional.

[2:15:37] Be interested to see any proposals come in

[2:15:39] that include both.

[2:15:42] Okay, so back on to the list on bike parking.

[2:15:46] Looking forward to providing an update on that.

[2:15:50] Hopefully at the next meeting.

[2:15:53] I think you're all aware we have a grant for just under $35,000

[2:15:58] to install bike racks this year, because nothing is as easy as it should be. Right now, we're

[2:16:08] currently trying to figure out what kind of leeway we may or may not have with our downtown

[2:16:16] specific street scape standards. As you all probably all know, we have a very custom-style

[2:16:26] bike rack in downtown that has a little egg hatching on top of the post and ring. So we're currently

[2:16:34] trying to figure out, you know, if that exact design is required, or if we have a little more leeway,

[2:16:42] we can, and maybe go with a rack that looks similar but is more affordable, thus enabling us to purchase

[2:16:49] more racks for downtown. Outside of downtown, it's much less of a concern. We can, we can get

[2:16:56] racks that you know are more affordable and really conform with best practices. So hopefully

[2:17:05] I will have an update for the committee on that next month and then Howard Street just wanted

[2:17:12] to give everyone a heads up that we are planning to hold a community workshop either in the very

[2:17:19] tail end of January or potentially early February, and that's for a paving project from West

[2:17:26] Street to A Street that will follow on the heels of a planned sewer project. The project

[2:17:35] will be more pedestrian and traffic calming focused, I think, but it does sort of an early

[2:17:44] look at the corridor. It looks like we could potentially have room for a class two bike lane in

[2:17:49] direction. So there could be some interesting opportunities there. And that's a project

[2:17:55] that I believe is planned for fall of 2023, but it really depends on the timing of the

[2:18:00] sewer work. So more details will be provided that community workshop and we will be sure

[2:18:07] to get the word to the committee when that date is announced. And then lastly, the Lynch Creek

[2:18:13] trail improvements by riverbend. They have completed the paving work so the trail is open.

[2:18:21] They do still have to perform or install the decomposed granite shoulders

[2:18:28] and also lighting along the trail and both of those items are weather dependent. So

[2:18:36] if and when we get a dry spell they'll be able to finish off that section of trail.

[2:18:42] But for now, the trail is open.

[2:18:44] And I think that's it from me.

[2:18:50] You are able to also comment on the wayfinding project as we talked about.

[2:18:55] I know Ken was going to be able to.

[2:18:57] I don't know if you can give still a brief update on his behalf.

[2:19:01] Yeah, so the item was included under.

[2:19:07] Number six communications on this week's.

[2:19:11] This month's agenda, sorry, we shared the signage design and also the signage plan

[2:19:20] for the pilot program and Ken shared that he was planning to go to bed with that soon

[2:19:30] within the next few weeks and hopefully have it delivered in spring.

[2:19:36] And so the, I believe in my email to the committee, I included that, you know, we wouldn't be discussing it in depth tonight, but that if any committee members wanted to do another review and discussion of way finding to share that with the chair, and then we can consider adding it to an upcoming agenda.

[2:19:59] Thank

[2:20:02] you. Okay. Is that all for your comment? Does anyone have questions?

[2:20:13] Marja?

[2:20:18] I don't really have

[2:20:19] a question. I just want us to remember what we had agreed upon when it came to wayfinding or at least

[2:20:27] my rendition of what I recalled. So I went back to March of 2022 and I keep all of our agendas and

[2:20:36] interesting information together it was pretty simple for me to find the motion

[2:20:42] itself that we made regarding the wayfinding project and that motion just as

[2:20:48] a reminder said to support the wayfinding project giving staff direction to

[2:20:52] seek out additional considerations brought up by P back should time and

[2:20:57] funding allow and it was made by Kelly seconded by Jerry the motion was carried

[2:21:02] However, many of us were very concerned with just that amount of information that we

[2:21:08] were agreeing to, and we asked the considerations be attached to that decision.

[2:21:15] And the considerations were lighting as applicable for signs and kiosks, space for hanging

[2:21:22] bike tools at Kiosks, add signage to H Street, extending wayfinding program onto the Lynch Creek

[2:21:31] Trail, going as far as North McDowell, QR codes for feedback, maintenance, and mapping.

[2:21:39] Consider a name change from bike pedal to be more inclusive, and speed limit signs, staff

[2:21:47] noting that this would be, and I'm just reading from the minutes, staff noted that this

[2:21:52] would be considered by the waypinding program, but would not be determined under a rules of the

[2:21:57] road format. So those are the considerations that we made, and I just don't want us to lose

[2:22:02] sight of those. I was pleased to see that there was a by Petaluma change to our signage, which we had

[2:22:13] talked about and mentioned here. So I checked that as having actually probably been accomplished,

[2:22:19] But I still am concerned about QR codes.

[2:22:23] I would also like to make sure that we consider this project not complete unless we can get

[2:22:30] it all the way to North Medellin, Lynch Creek.

[2:22:33] That way we have a signage program on a major boulevard and we also would have put it on

[2:22:43] to our major cross-town off-road connector which I think is important and just to see both sides

[2:22:51] of what this pilot would look like. So I just want to remind us not to lose sight of those.

[2:22:57] Is that to hear this project again perhaps? But maybe this is all that's needed. Just a reminder

[2:23:04] for those of us who are at that meeting that this is something that we still consider important.

[2:23:10] Thank you.

[2:23:12] Gina, did you have something to say?

[2:23:15] No.

[2:23:15] Marja, thank you for I know your intent is to make sure that we stay on top of that.

[2:23:22] I appreciate that.

[2:23:23] And they're good comments.

[2:23:24] But I just want to remind us to stay on agenda so that we don't have any brown act violations.

[2:23:30] So a couple of times tonight, we kind of veered off from from an agenda item.

[2:23:35] way finding wasn't an agenda item and now we're discussing it in depth and that that can get that can get uncomfortably close to to violating some of our basic tenants here.

[2:23:50] So what I would offer is that we are following up on much of that to my knowledge.

[2:23:57] And we can get back to you and the committee in response to that, you know, basically under

[2:24:05] separate cover, but we can provide communication on that.

[2:24:10] And if you, if you're, you'll decide you want to agendize this, then that would also be

[2:24:15] a way to bring this back up for conversation.

[2:24:18] Thanks.

[2:24:19] Thank you.

[2:24:26] Okay.

[2:24:27] Patricia, did you have a question for Björn, not related to a finding?

[2:24:31] Yes.

[2:24:32] So it's actually a comment to Gina and her background. I was surprised to sort of see it now. It's like, oh yay, the bike shirt program is back in on happening again. So I just had the laugh going, oh, yeah, Gina, you did it. OK. So thank you.

[2:24:49] You know, it's just a little trick that she pulled out of her sleeve. I don't know something. So good job.

[2:25:00] Yeah, but you did that. You did the pretty picture behind us to say it was coming back. Yeah. That one.

[2:25:14] All right. I don't see any other hand so you can move on to committee comment.

[2:25:19] We'll start with our ad hoc to many updates. Vision zero. Nicole, would you like to give a brief update to the group or not. That's fine.

[2:25:29] Um, I'm trying to think if we met since the last time we, I gave the update and I can't remember.

[2:25:37] Um, I think they actually met a couple of times. Uh, if I can, I can give an update if, uh,

[2:25:44] if you're not getting a memory of that. Okay. Yeah. Sure. Um, we met, uh, I think twice and are

[2:25:57] next meeting with a presentation to share our top five priorities that we

[2:26:04] identified to hear your feedback if you agree and so we were able to meet

[2:26:09] with Bjorn and kind of talk about the process and how the city will would

[2:26:15] potentially use the sheet that we created and the list of priorities and things

[2:26:21] like that so that we can come with a presentation that has a little more

[2:26:25] information for you all instead of just five priorities. So yeah, we'll we'll

[2:26:31] tell you more when we talk next month, but I think that's pretty much it.

[2:26:40] Okay, so

[2:26:40] by parking, would any present members care to give any kind of a brief

[2:26:47] update if you have one? If you don't, that's fine.

[2:26:58] Yeah, let's go ahead. Yeah, can we

[2:27:00] add like to just mention that, you know, Kevin of Yorkie did some initial

[2:27:05] groundwork for us with the weather being the way it is. I've not been able to get out over the

[2:27:12] holiday that I as I had expected. So I don't think unless Patricia has something else to offer.

[2:27:19] I don't think that we have gathered the information citywide that we wanted to.

[2:27:27] So I think that our report back should, you know, not be expected until after maybe, maybe March, but after perhaps after March.

[2:27:41] Okay.

[2:27:42] Thanks for that.

[2:27:44] Trails committee.

[2:27:50] Jerry, go ahead.

[2:27:51] Yeah.

[2:27:52] So we have two different teams.

[2:27:56] Margin and I, and Janice Cater Thompson and Justin, we've kind of divvied up the trails.

[2:28:04] Margin and I have explored a couple of them, most recently in Washington Creek Trail.

[2:28:11] And we put that, what we found into the PowerPoint.

[2:28:15] We're going to meet again. Margin has sent something up with Janice, I believe,

[2:28:20] to four of us to meet again and gather everything that we have so we can have a, you know, one collective presentation.

[2:28:32] I think March is certainly more reasonable, more likely than February, which I think was initially proposed.

[2:28:42] But yeah, we're getting there.

[2:28:44] We had a fifth member who has not responded, so we're going to each of our teams is going to pick up a couple more trails.

[2:28:53] So we're getting there and I think we'll have something good for you.

[2:29:00] And that's happy trails to you. Thank you.

[2:29:04] Great. Thank you for sharing that.

[2:29:06] Okay, we'll move to committee comments.

[2:29:10] First, council member McDonald.

[2:29:14] Well, thank you very much.

[2:29:17] Council last met on December 19th and not a whole lot of feedback related there.

[2:29:22] I did want to compliment the public figure who mentioned city threads.

[2:29:28] I guess the city has contributed to that and has the staff involved, so it's another nice

[2:29:36] way to bring more insulting support and strength into our improvements for bicycling in town.

[2:29:45] And this is my last meeting on P-Bach. And you'll have a new representative come February.

[2:29:51] And I want you to know that I've really enjoyed knowing and working with each and every one of you.

[2:29:57] And I appreciate everything you do.

[2:30:00] The energy and effort that you put in, trying to make place the town better place. And amongst your future goals, I hope you will achieve that last 500 feet of the smart path from Lake Filter Brewsters, Water Street. And I hope also that Peaback Engage is actively in second year 2023. So again, thanks the opportunity to be with you these past two years. Thanks.

[2:30:29] Thank you. Appreciate your

[2:30:33] liaison ship to this committee.

[2:30:36] And your time on council.

[2:30:38] Okay, we'll move to you,

[2:30:39] planning commission liaison,

[2:30:40] Hooper.

[2:30:42] We have not met since our last

[2:30:44] meeting. We are supposed to meet

[2:30:46] at the end of this month.

[2:30:48] So I look forward to having a real

[2:30:50] report next time.

[2:30:52] One thing I did want to say with

[2:30:54] the new year is that at some point,

[2:30:56] we're supposed to get a report back

[2:30:58] kind of a variety of code improvements we've been asking for and planning. I'm hoping once we get

[2:31:03] those to be able to report back to this committee about several changes that will hopefully focus

[2:31:08] more on active transit requirements. And then I also just wanted to thank Mayor McDonald for all

[2:31:15] of his time on this committee and all this hard work. Thank you.

[2:31:21] Thank you very much. Okay,

[2:31:23] Okay, recreation music and parks commission liaison Earl.

[2:31:28] Yes, thank you. I don't have any updates because we were waiting on the pest management program and they were not ready, so we did not have me.

[2:31:40] That was scheduled for right before the holiday, so I'll have hopefully an update next month.

[2:31:50] Okay, thank you very much.

[2:31:53] And the joint transit advisory and pedestrian by school committee have not been meeting, but it sounds like maybe you will be in the future. So that's exciting.

[2:32:06] Patricia, was there anything else you wanted to add?

[2:32:15] Okay, I can't, I can only say one person at a time, so I'm going to assume you're shaking your head because I don't see your hand up.

[2:32:20] Okay. Okay. And Ken is not here. So Gina, Bjorn, is there any update from the Sonoma County, but I can pet committee.

[2:32:33] I unfortunately not have an update from him on on whether or not they met so I can make sure at our next meeting if he notes anything that took place in sense our last meeting.

[2:32:43] Gina, I don't know if you know, and she's taken her head. So yeah, we'll follow up on that if they have met.

[2:32:49] Okay, I know it's been many meetings of no update, so if they're not meeting, they're

[2:32:54] not meeting.

[2:32:55] But okay, does anyone, any other committee members who are not listed out there, does anyone

[2:33:02] else have a comment, please raise your hand.

[2:33:14] Okay, I don't see any hands raised, so we will move on to item 11 upcoming agendas.

[2:33:21] We've got a number of fun stuff coming up over the next few months, exciting way to launch

[2:33:26] into 2023 and with that I think we can move to adjournment and we'll see

[2:33:33] everyone at our February meeting on the first and I hope everyone stays dry

[2:33:39] and safe tonight through all of this crazy crazy storm. Thank you all and I

[2:33:47] Thank you.

[2:33:48] Thank you, everybody.

[2:33:49] Stay safe.

[2:33:50] Thank you.

Pedestrian & Bicycle Advisory Committee

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