[0:03] Are you ready, Ms. Lynette? Okay. All righty. It is 531 and we're going to do our roll call, Councilman Heitzman, Councilman Cummings, Councilman Dane. I'm here, Councilman Jones, Councilman Major, and Councilman Ebrosio. Very good. Do we have anyone on the public form? Okay. And we have one item on the regular agenda to discuss and act on charter amendments.

[0:33] amendments to be placed on the May 4th, 2024 special election ballot.

[0:44] I'm sorry, I caught you mid-shoot.

[0:46] Oh, do we need a wait for Brenda, or are we?

[0:49] Okay.

[0:51] Okay.

[1:00] So Mayor Counsel, tonight you have a work session over the what to put on the ballot for

[1:09] the charter review, from the charter review committee.

[1:14] There were 40 items that the Charter Review Committee introduced to you last council meeting on Thursday

[1:24] Ideally you'll narrow that down

[1:27] somewhat so that the ballot is not overwhelmed

[1:31] overwhelming

[1:34] But I guess you have members of the Charter Review Committee here. You have two council people that said on that committee

[1:44] President and Lynette and I interacted and we're happy to help with any discussion that you may have.

[2:20] So,

[2:23] what the best way is going to get through all of these, I think, is that it may be because

[2:30] you go through each council member and see if there's any ones that were plaring and you're like

[2:37] possibly, yes, those are ones that you can be on the ballot, ones that you're in at eight and

[2:43] others that you were like, no.

[2:45] Because I think what that will do is help us decide

[2:52] is that it be a development.

[2:53] I've had a couple of questions for Brenda.

[2:57] A

[3:00] lot of them that were generally rude.

[3:03] So there was a couple of them that were just correct

[3:06] in language that was out of date.

[3:08] Did we say correct?

[3:13] All items that were made is not to this date.

[3:18] And then we can put like six of them under that.

[3:21] And that will know when they go to the ballot,

[3:24] oh, this is just a hierarchy language.

[3:26] You know, yes, yes.

[3:27] Yes, yes, yes.

[3:27] You have no no no no.

[3:28] Uh, ones that are, uh, there was several of them that said

[3:35] to emptier the state bomb.

[3:37] And we just put that as a kind of worry.

[3:39] And then the events under there.

[3:41] So then that would just kind of devil put

[3:43] a lot of under two votes.

[3:57] So about two directly?

[4:00] Oh, so they could just say, yeah, right.

[4:07] When I think that we would have home.

[4:10] Yeah, that's a take.

[4:12] You're training.

[4:14] You're training.

[4:17] It was either a trainer or a factor.

[4:55] What I hear you saying is that we put it on that TV touchscreen and she's the

[5:00] Vanessa White, or Hannah White, and she's hitting the, putting the X's where they belong based on the touch screen, right?

[5:25] No. It's one proposition, one item. And as I told the commission, there's one of them.

[5:38] where there are two things in the same proposition and it like keeps me awake but I just couldn't

[5:48] bear to separate them because then they would have each been so simple and they were

[5:53] sort of connected but no I mean I think the matrix was really helpful and we started on that process

[6:01] until it suddenly hit me that really the charter commission was supposed to

[6:08] identify the amendment and it's your job to call them, not the commission's

[6:15] job. So that if something didn't come forward from them to you and somebody says

[6:20] we'll wait a minute why wasn't this on the ballot you guys can answer that

[6:24] question. I have a question. So the amendments that are

[6:30] recommended where it's they're changing the language to conform to state law. If we don't

[6:36] change those amendments to where they're not conforming to state law, what are the repercussions

[6:41] of that? So as a home rural city, you have the ability to vary from state law. I think in the times

[6:50] where we there was one place on the inspection of public records where we felt like that was important

[6:57] because the Public Information Act gives some additional notice to the employees

[7:06] and the charter said that they could come to City Hall and demand to see any public record at any time.

[7:12] And so, as a home rural city, you can do that, but we didn't think it was a good idea.

[7:18] So that was one where we said we wanted to conform with state law.

[7:23] We don't always have to conform with state law.

[7:28] There are some places where we do and some places where we don't because we are home

[7:32] rule.

[7:33] Okay.

[7:34] So, yes.

[7:35] You guys are asking all the good questions that the commission asked, so that means that

[7:40] you're really thinking about it.

[7:44] So Mayor, I think maybe Councilwoman Jones had a good idea of taking them on one at a time

[7:51] and just going down to say it because I know on Thursday you had asked each

[7:56] person to kind of come up with the list of their top five so those could get

[8:00] identified through this list but if you'd like to just go through the list

[8:04] and say okay who all believes number one needs to to be on here and you know

[8:09] did it make your top five and then kind of start narrowing it down that way

[8:14] because there's some that are obviously going to be seven knows across the board

[8:17] that don't make the list that you can eliminate that way it makes sense to me so you know my

[8:30] five around that being 18 gradually because there were more than 18 that I were worthy

[8:56] I don't know if there is, I'm not asking, if there is, if Larry absolutely not, it's all going to the voters.

[9:04] What is the success rate of voting on 40 minutes?

[9:09] So, what if we just say, can you take out all of the votes and let the voters find the rest?

[9:22] Well, let's just pick one to go on.

[9:25] Right.

[9:25] Like the very first one.

[9:27] Okay.

[9:28] The charter was originally done in 2015 and it was trying to fix it.

[9:34] Trying to fix the two-year-old equilibrium.

[9:36] Well, it's kind of a good point, right?

[9:38] I mean, we can lead it there to save so we can have a number of them that we can vote on, or, I mean, you know, at this point, it would be nice to clean it up.

[9:49] Right.

[9:51] And I guess it has a pattern.

[9:53] Well, it doesn't matter anything if it stays.

[9:56] But still, you know, it's...

[10:20] I think we need to determine which ones we think are absolutely, yes, need to be changed, and start with those. And then go.

[10:32] the

[10:35] Yeah, we need yeah, we need to tally it and see which rises to the top in a pivot table.

[11:17] We'll start with number one and we'll start with number two.

[11:21] We just need yes, no, or maybe.

[11:23] This is the composition selection in term.

[11:26] No.

[11:29] Yes.

[11:35] Yes.

[11:38] No.

[11:42] That's two yeses, two noes and three noes.

[11:44] Let's keep going.

[11:45] OK, number two.

[11:47] And I do also want to say, if you all have any stats after we vote,

[11:52] you want to point something out.

[11:53] maybe it wasn't both that you're thinking please feel free to speak up. Okay number two, this is the, oh for the presentation. So compliment. Yes.

[12:09] Yes.

[12:12] Yes.

[12:13] Yes.

[12:14] Yes.

[12:21] Okay.

[12:22] This is three and four.

[12:23] This is the one that you're saying.

[12:31] Both of them.

[12:32] Okay.

[12:32] So three.

[12:34] I'm assuming that's three.

[12:36] So three.

[12:37] Do you have a sheet?

[12:39] No.

[12:40] I can read it if you want.

[12:41] No.

[12:46] I don't have it.

[12:48] I don't have the sheet either.

[12:51] Yeah.

[12:52] Do you want me to read it?

[12:53] Yeah.

[12:54] Do you want me to read it?

[12:55] Yeah.

[13:33] one.

[13:36] You don't want one?

[13:43] Got you.

[14:31] And then Britha had these, the back up, you know, let's take a look,

[14:40] because I guess it wasn't working on the original, or, you know, John was on the original, it said that he didn't really have any, uh, people with guidance.

[15:10] I have one.

[15:18] Thank you.

[15:23] I don't know if this was the first design.

[15:27] Did I leave it on the desk for the station?

[15:30] No, it's an Excel spreadsheet.

[15:34] Yeah, it was in the morning.

[15:37] At 9 a.m.

[15:45] Now, Brenda, will you tell us which ones are we're trying to line up with state law?

[15:57] Okay, we're on number three.

[15:59] Three.

[16:01] Vacancies, forfeiture, and filing to vacancies of the pilot's money will charter the BIMD to

[16:09] require the general rule that counts on members because it's a present and it counts on me.

[16:13] Okay.

[16:15] Yes.

[16:18] Maybe.

[16:23] I'm a yes.

[16:25] Maybe.

[16:26] I'm

[16:29] a yes.

[16:30] Maybe you should explain it.

[16:32] I know.

[16:32] Maybe I should.

[16:33] So the reason that we added that one is that the charter requires your attendance at meetings

[16:45] And we didn't think that it would be appropriate for someone to go to their Arizona home, you

[16:55] know, in the winter for three months and attend meetings via video, which can now be done

[17:04] as long as there's a quorum here.

[17:07] And I think when the charter was written, it meant that you needed to be at meetings.

[17:12] and that's what the commission felt as well, so this says that the attendance that's required for the most part is physical presence in the chambers with your colleagues.

[17:33] Okay, all right, I'm gonna just add to that, you know, there's something valuable about, sometimes it's uncomfortable to be sitting here,

[17:45] And there's something valuable about sitting here with everybody sitting out there.

[17:51] I mean, I just think that's really important.

[17:53] If you're going to vote on something, you'll be willing to face the crowd.

[17:58] That's just my opinion.

[17:59] But I just want to make sure that we're mindful of ranking

[18:05] these.

[18:07] Because I don't want everyone to change their vote to yet.

[18:09] And then we're ranking that as a priority over others if we're trying to be down to 15.

[18:14] Is it really that compared to all the rest of them?

[18:19] Is it, is your goal to take you to a yes?

[18:22] Because it's more important than others?

[18:23] Or is it just a yes?

[18:25] Because oh yeah, you're right, that's what we can consider.

[18:27] Because all of these are something to consider.

[18:29] So the reason this was important is says,

[18:32] if any member of the City Council is absent

[18:35] from three consecutive regular meetings

[18:37] without explanation acceptable to the majority

[18:40] of the remaining members of the City Council,

[18:42] his or her office shall be deemed

[18:44] and declared vacant by resolution at the next regular meeting of the City Council.

[18:50] The City Council shall convene a public hearing before exercising its authority under this

[18:54] provision and permit the Council member to be heard regarding absences.

[18:58] So there were two changes that were proposed.

[19:02] If any member of the City Council is physically absent from preconceived meetings, okay, that's

[19:08] where physical presence came in.

[19:11] And then the next one number four, it's, she'll be deemed in declared vacant by resolution unanimously approved by the remaining City Council.

[19:23] So that it couldn't be a political move if someone, you know, is sick or caring for an ill parent or something and now's our chance to get rid of them.

[19:35] The commission felt like a unanimous vote was necessary to remove someone from their elected seat.

[19:48] To me, what's been...

[20:04] And then Mr. Chief.

[20:28] Well, it's three on excuse.

[20:34] Right.

[20:41] In the two distant past. Yes. So, well, this is, this is your item. And you guys can figure out how you want to do it. What do we

[21:06] want to do? Ten percent. Oh, right. Twenty-two. Oh, that's right. So it was about ten percent. I think that's when you sign up for this, you sign up to me in the meetings.

[21:15] We're

[21:22] going to go back to what we were trying to achieve here and it was a 10-widdle ban.

[21:31] That's why I said maybe yes, it's not a maybe nothing.

[21:35] No, that's right.

[21:36] So, I mean, and that's just it.

[21:38] But we've got 40 babies to look at.

[21:40] And, you know, right now it says three.

[21:44] But I want to be clear, you guys can change the three to, you know, four in a year or

[21:54] three in a year, that's, you have full authority over this.

[22:00] So, how do you all feel about that instead of doing it instead of doing a second and say it's an overall advantage of being present?

[22:10] I have my personal opinion, they both be brief and be gone, but is that's going to be a little harsh?

[22:19] Yeah.

[22:20] Three in a year. I would up the number if you want it in a year.

[22:27] I'm going to take all of your attendance, you have a meeting and I need a percentage of your attendance that are meeting, so because we also have special meetings, so you want to put a percentage of the blood.

[22:44] What was the percentage of the blood?

[23:32] So you want to be physically present at all, at 75% of the meetings in a calendar year.

[23:46] Okay.

[23:47] That's barely passing in school.

[23:58] Okay, that's an excuse, we're talking about unexcuse, that's what I think it needs to be.

[24:04] Okay, the excuse and unexcuse.

[24:06] So, you want 80%

[24:13] unexcuse, with 20% unexcused,

[24:22] what's 85% of 22?

[24:24] 16

[24:29] no 85% of 22 somebody come on here I got it

[24:42] 22 times 18.7 so it's 19

[24:47] meetings that's hot no no no that's a lot that's to be yeah yeah yeah and what

[24:58] What constitutes?

[25:00] What constitutes an excuse? If you're sick, if your child has had an operation, if you, I mean, if it's legit, not that you've moved to Oklahoma, and you're playing like you. Did I say this scheduled out vacation? Does that count as an excuse? I'm just curious.

[25:22] I'm sorry. Yes, we should be able to have vacations. Right.

[25:33] Right. Right.

[25:41] So don't make anybody mask whatever you do. Don't make your little consul

[25:48] and man at you.

[25:49] Free or excuses.

[25:50] I just think it's important we sign up.

[25:52] Yeah.

[25:53] It's not a true right?

[25:54] Very nice question.

[25:55] Yeah.

[25:56] I know.

[25:57] No, no, no.

[25:58] The excuse is acceptable to a majority.

[26:01] No, I'm not.

[26:02] Yeah.

[26:03] It takes a unanimous vote to take someone's seat.

[26:07] And by that point, I mean if it's something, I think there would have been a unanimous voice to declare that seat.

[26:13] Yeah.

[26:14] And I'm just thinking in my long term like, well, we're not here in March.

[26:17] 20 years, right? You said we

[26:19] are thinking of life. You said we

[26:20] have 20 years. Is it protecting

[26:22] the work that I have? Okay. Okay.

[26:26] Okay. Is it protecting the work

[26:27] of the city? If you're not showing

[26:29] enough. I'm going to go with 80

[26:31] percent. That's 16. I would think

[26:34] somebody that is missing that

[26:35] much would be 17.6. But I

[26:38] still, I'm still of the mindset

[26:40] though that would have to be in

[26:41] person. Personally, you think

[26:44] it should be in person or

[26:46] I don't. I do think it should be. I mean

[26:51] like can we do you can only have so many in

[26:58] video.

[27:00] Let's not do that. Let's not do that. Yeah.

[27:08] Let's figure out how if you all right.

[27:13] Do you want to change it to a percent of meetings every year? Yes. I hear yes. Yes. Okay.

[27:18] what's that percent I'm 75 75 80 whatever it takes to be a whole

[27:25] 75% okay 75 80 80 80 will do 80 80 percent physically present I think

[27:43] percent all right and then and

[27:50] do you like them the unanimous vote required to

[27:54] remove a mess yes yes all right so four

[28:02] number four can be left as is how

[28:07] take a vote on yes no maybe this is number four number four is for the

[28:17] Is that a yes, no or maybe for you that for oh, yes

[28:50] all right all right all right that's all I know I'm going to we're going to

[29:00] re-vote on three now how many of you want three to be physically present for

[29:07] 80% of the meetings in a calendar year yes yes yes

[29:20] at least yes yes yes

[29:25] We should shoot for eight.

[29:27] All right, so that is a unanimous.

[29:31] No, no, that's sorry.

[29:33] That is unanimous for number three.

[29:40] Yes.

[29:41] All right.

[29:43] And two, number four is five to two.

[29:46] Okay.

[29:47] Number five.

[29:57] Yeah, so that one, it's

[30:00] It says that you can appoint to a vacancy, but when you went to three year terms, you cannot appoint to a vacancy. You have to have an election.

[30:12] No, that's a constitutional requirement. This is wrong. Yes. This one is wrong.

[30:48] I say no only because I don't think that would ever come in to play with the

[30:53] And I'm just trying to know all

[31:02] right. That's a unanimous no. You are bad. You are going away. You don't count.

[31:22] Okay. So this was a lot of discussion at the commission level. And the charter says,

[31:36] If you have posted an ordinance, say a zoning ordinance, and you amend it in substance

[31:50] that you cannot approve it at that meeting, that it has to be post reposted at another

[31:57] meeting.

[31:57] And the rule on this is a due process question.

[32:06] And the law presents that if someone is interested in a topic,

[32:12] they'll be at the meeting.

[32:14] So what in land use, the rule is that if you make it more restrictive,

[32:22] you can do that at the same meeting.

[32:25] If you want to make it less restrictive, then you have to re-notice, repost, because

[32:34] of the due process requirement.

[32:37] This would apply to all ordinances that if you make a substantive change, the charter

[32:45] says you cannot adopt it at the meeting.

[32:48] We're not following that now because the presumption is that people who are interested would

[32:56] be here. So this is just cleaning it up so it's like what we're actually doing. That's

[33:01] it is. But it would delete the provision that says if there's a substantive amendment

[33:09] you have to do it at the next meeting. I don't like it. I think it should go. The commission

[33:16] thought it should go. It's up to you guys.

[33:22] Yeah. So the thing that I don't love is when

[33:26] You have a charter provision that deviates from normal practice, because every city manager,

[33:34] city secretary knows that if it's properly posted, you can make changes.

[33:41] But we're not following this, so I don't want someone to be able to challenge an ordinance

[33:49] as unlawful because we violated our charter.

[33:51] And there is a case, a hospital case, out of the city of Dallas, like in 2023 or 2022,

[34:01] where they imposed greater notice requirements than state law.

[34:06] And the city didn't follow that because every planner in the state knows what state law says.

[34:13] And the court invalidated the ordinance because they didn't follow their own rule.

[34:16] And I don't want us to have that liability exposure.

[34:24] Yes.

[34:25] Yes.

[34:30] I mean, yes.

[34:31] Yes.

[34:32] Yes.

[34:32] All right.

[34:43] Five was unanimously approved.

[34:50] I said it had to be changed.

[34:53] It has to be done.

[34:55] Yes.

[34:56] for

[34:59] eight and a minute.

[35:17] Yeah, so for general law cities, the vote to remove a city official is a two-third requirement.

[35:28] This is just the

[35:34] commission and Brit and Lynette thought that this was important for them, for

[35:40] job security so that they're not subject to political wins and nobody wants to work

[35:50] for a city council when five members don't want you there.

[35:54] But you would work for a city council when four members don't want you there.

[35:58] You see, there's a difference and so that's why we felt this was important.

[36:05] We didn't do this for me because I serve at the pleasure of the council and it's not I'm not an employee if I was an employee city attorney, I would want this same thing.

[36:19] And it really has to do with job security for your appointed officials.

[36:27] It's for me what makes sense that we had a dies of 12.

[36:30] But like just on the 40 list, it didn't hit.

[36:35] I would say, and I didn't, this probably didn't make my top 10 to be honest.

[36:40] But I think it's necessary for the rest of the creates consistency.

[36:45] I mean, unfortunate circumstances that we've been here,

[36:50] you know, for the last four years, we've practically counted people.

[36:53] Council, and we've had one city manager to keep you going.

[36:58] But like, if you look at someone, when politics came into play,

[37:02] and they had said, from the jewelry they have to chase,

[37:05] and which, which updated a lot of the staff and a lot of what's going on in the world, so that's the kind of thing that that one vote can prevent.

[37:15] I agree with you. I mean, trust me, watching Gunner and Selina and other communities in Texas, I totally agree with you.

[37:22] I just don't, it doesn't make my top 15. So that's math.

[37:25] Okay.

[37:26] So let's vote that's number two.

[37:29] Yes.

[37:30] Major.

[37:31] Yes.

[37:31] Yes, yes, yes, yes, the

[37:42] next one is the same thing for the city secretary.

[37:48] I am the same, same, number 10, are you the same, yes, I'm the maybe and like I said, I think it's important, I just don't know if it makes the 15th.

[37:59] Okay, yeah, the next one is, um, adding, conducting the city's elections to the duties

[38:17] of the city secretary,

[38:21] I'll let Lynette answer.

[38:26] She wanted it,

[38:34] so does that mean you could tell me so?

[38:42] She could say the police chief has to do it.

[38:48] Your elections, man.

[38:51] But as a state, the city secretary, it's assumed that the city secretary is not a statutory requirement.

[38:57] No, no, no, no, it's not a statutory part, but most cities, the city's secretary, is the one it needs because it looks like a city secretary.

[39:04] Yes, that's true.

[39:05] So it's not like a city secretary coming into pilot.

[39:08] The point is going to be like, well I'm sorry, but if it's not...

[39:11] That is, that's true.

[39:13] Okay, so...

[39:14] It's for priority purposes.

[39:16] I'm sorry.

[39:17] I mean, that is something?

[39:18] Well, I was just thinking in a provocation situation,

[39:22] kind of like what we've had before on that last time, and see you made a dream, see if

[39:28] you're ready for off-grid. There might be some time when somebody says, well, that's

[39:35] what my dream is not listening to that, but that is. I get it. I'm just saying. Once again, I

[39:42] would have made my top 10. But you can change it on the personnel thing, right? Yes, you can't.

[39:47] And I'm not one who believes, yeah, who believes that you change the charter because of one situation, so.

[40:06] Yes. Yes. And I changed my vote based on this discussion. I

[40:16] mean, yes. Yes, and I changed my vote, too. This conversation.

[40:25] Y'all are not eliminating them. I know you're not. That's because of these conversations. I think this is why I didn't think it was. Think about if the commission had eliminated some of these and not brought

[40:39] them to. Well and I share what Mayor was mentioning if I had my choice you know I think they're all

[40:48] important they wouldn't have been flagged. Yeah I agree. I know that's where I feel like

[40:53] I'm afraid. Well we know that number six he's six is dead for sure. Here's the deal very good. We need

[41:02] to pick out the most important and then we look and see this is too heavy then we go back. Yes

[41:07] Yes, that's, I agree with that.

[41:08] Let's finish this list.

[41:10] Number 11 personnel in the stand.

[41:12] He's the pilot point charter will be a mentor

[41:14] providing administrative approval

[41:15] and amendment to the employee process.

[41:18] I vote yes.

[41:19] And this was important because it is not the council's job

[41:26] to do employee personnel policies.

[41:34] But that stated on the, on the,

[41:36] But it is the charter says,

[41:39] the personnel rules should be prepared by the city manager and

[41:45] presented to the city council who may adopt them by ordinance with or without amendment.

[41:51] The adopted rules shall establish the city as an equal opportunity employer and

[41:56] shall govern the equitable administration of the personnel system.

[41:59] The proposed change is personnel rules should be prepared by the city manager.

[42:04] the rules shall establish the city as an equal opportunity employer and shall govern

[42:08] the equitable administration of the personnel system of the city.

[42:14] Is this to avoid what Selina?

[42:18] It is to give the city manager the authority to determine the rules for the city's employees

[42:29] and you get to hold him accountable for it.

[42:35] It's in the charter that you approve it by ordinance and that makes amending the

[42:42] personnel manual difficult and it makes it a political process it

[42:53] is but

[43:03] that's why yeah that's why we're bringing this amendment to you no it's to

[43:10] change otherwise you're supposed to approve the personnel policies by

[43:15] ordinance and I don't think we're doing it yes

[43:25] okay I didn't hear you're

[43:28] about wait I didn't hear I'm browsing yes

[43:37] I'm too good an advocate all right so

[43:54] So 5.01 is just flat out wrong.

[43:59] It says it's going to be on the second Saturday in May.

[44:04] And the state date is the first Saturday in May.

[44:11] OK, question.

[44:15] You're going to be in violation of your charter

[44:17] if you hold them on the first Saturday in May.

[44:19] When we don't, you do.

[44:22] You have to.

[44:23] So this is a state.

[44:24] This is you have to choose.

[44:25] This one is the charter's wrong. Yes, yes,

[44:34] yes for me. Oh, okay, so the next one will be fun

[44:46] The next one will be fun

[44:49] 18 to 21 to run for council.

[44:54] No

[45:02] I'm a yes.

[45:16] If I say no, I don't want to raise it to 20. That's correct. Okay.

[45:40] So I said no, because I thought I don't want to make any use of it.

[45:45] You want it?

[45:45] You're a yes.

[45:46] Okay, you're a yes.

[45:47] So where's that?

[45:49] What was that?

[45:49] Three, two, two.

[45:50] Three, two, two.

[45:52] And no is you want it 18.

[45:54] A yes is you want it 21.

[45:57] Right.

[45:57] And right now, that house...

[46:01] I have no idea.

[46:03] That's the only reason.

[46:05] Right?

[46:05] It's the only reason to understand.

[46:09] Shall it be amended to raise the minimum age for a City Council candidate from 18 to 21?

[46:14] What?

[46:17] Lugs everybody understands that if the high school, a good candidate is going to get

[46:21] all of his buddies to come out and vote.

[46:24] That's right.

[46:24] We'll have an 18-year-old on the council who's up here because he wants.

[46:29] I don't know what.

[46:30] That's true.

[46:31] I think about that.

[46:32] Yeah, free lunches in the cap here.

[46:34] I would agree with that if I thought 21-year-olds and 18-year-olds.

[46:40] Oh.

[46:41] Well, there's a big difference.

[46:44] Do you have a mind?

[46:45] I might change my mind to yes because I don't think about them being in the high school.

[46:47] All right. Hang on. I had an 18 year old on the school board.

[46:55] He got kicked out because he cheated on a test and gave test answers to all of his friends.

[47:01] Okay. Mine's yes. All right. So I have 421.

[47:05] I mean, if that's the case, racing to 25, I feel safer.

[47:09] You can, you only have the authority to go to 21.

[47:13] I'm just not committing 21.

[47:14] 21. So on the list of priorities.

[47:16] Okay, do you want to read out on this?

[47:20] I can't look back here.

[47:22] Yes.

[47:24] No.

[47:25] All right.

[47:26] So that's a yes.

[47:27] Lisbon.

[47:29] Jack.

[47:33] Mayor.

[47:34] I said yes.

[47:36] I'm sorry.

[47:36] I was.

[47:37] Maybe.

[47:37] He should.

[47:39] No.

[47:40] Right.

[47:41] I'm a yes.

[47:43] Yes.

[47:44] I mean, we should raise it to 21.

[47:47] Right.

[47:47] Yes.

[47:48] All right. So now that's six to one.

[47:56] The mayor was a no.

[48:18] And again, it's for me, it's about the list of priorities, right? Is that as high of priorities and for the others?

[48:24] But we're going to go back and look and it's not. We'll bump it out. Yeah.

[48:28] Okay, the order of candidates on the ballot shall be determined by lot, or in accordance

[48:40] with the Texas election code, the recommendation was to remove by lot.

[48:48] Number 14,

[48:52] if you want to get rid of it, it makes no difference.

[48:55] Yes.

[48:56] Mind's no.

[49:00] Maybe.

[49:05] Are you no?

[49:08] I may be.

[49:19] Four noes and three yeses.

[49:22] No.

[49:22] How come I may be the lady?

[49:25] Or no.

[49:27] This was just coming up the language job.

[49:31] Right.

[49:32] No.

[49:33] We've had some other ones.

[49:34] That's not the one with two.

[49:35] all right oh oh oh I made a bad mistake you're right this one oh my gosh this

[49:48] oh this is the right and the right and I'm so sorry I messed that up yes so it's

[50:00] What says procedures for right-end votes shall be consistent with the Texas election code. That's what it currently says. Procedures for right-end votes shall be consistent with the Texas election code. And what we said is ballots shall be consistent with the Texas election code for right-end candidates.

[50:24] And our election, our election employee was in favor of this change,

[50:36] yes.

[50:37] What's the difference in wording there?

[50:39] Well, a right-in vote.

[50:41] We don't provide for right-in vote, but the ballot provides for right-in candidates.

[50:49] I see what you're saying, okay.

[50:50] in accordance with the election cut.

[50:53] In earth, for a Grayson County,

[50:54] you've

[51:02] got the ballot and it's the ballot.

[51:04] Right.

[51:05] This makes no sense.

[51:06] This is impossible.

[51:08] So if you write somebody in,

[51:11] there has to be a provision on the ballot

[51:14] for a right and candidate,

[51:15] but not a right and vote.

[51:19] So if it's not under and you write it in,

[51:21] it doesn't count.

[51:22] No, well, come on up on this.

[51:24] There's a difference between a space

[51:27] for a right-in candidate versus a right-in vote.

[51:31] Okay. Is it just a line or a line for you?

[51:35] Yes, but if that line is, well...

[51:44] Well, I understand that it's voting, the vote is the action, the ballot is the thing that...

[51:49] That's right. That requires the action.

[51:51] That's right.

[51:52] All right, so we can't describe the right influence when this is going to happen.

[51:57] We can't tell you how to write in a vote, we can prepare the ballot.

[52:06] You know,

[52:09] I don't think it's going to change the way that we operate.

[52:14] Lynette, is that fair?

[52:16] I'm still now.

[52:17] Okay.

[52:32] Okay.

[52:33] All right, so now it's three to four.

[52:35] It was four to three and now it's three to four.

[52:37] Three, four, no, three, three, one.

[52:40] No.

[52:41] And four, maybe.

[52:43] Oh, sorry.

[52:45] All right.

[52:46] This is really hard.

[52:49] Yeah.

[52:50] All right.

[52:53] All right, one page done, one page down.

[52:56] All right.

[52:57] Oh, hush.

[52:58] All right, so the delivery of election results.

[53:01] I know, but it took us a while to figure out what we want to do.

[53:06] All right, so the reason that this was done is, shall 5.04 to correct the process for the delivery, so it says, these

[53:27] returns, sorry, I had marked it out and I couldn't read what it said.

[53:32] These returns shall be delivered from the election judges to the person performing the duties of the city secretary and the mayor at

[53:40] City Hall as soon as possible after the closing of the polls. That doesn't happen. Lynette gets her numbers off of the website.

[53:49] Right.

[53:50] So

[53:52] This was a cleanup about the way that it happens.

[53:54] But will it change? Will it change if we will change the way we do it if we vote for it, correct?

[54:01] I think the other thing that was on this one is to include the first thing on them because otherwise you could have it applied to that.

[54:10] This is the double one. This is the one that bothers me.

[54:14] Otherwise you could have a bunch of candidates before they heard.

[54:18] So if I in my perfect world so that I can sleep at night, I would have you guys put so here's the discussion and I've had this happen before.

[54:30] This is the one that has the two provisions that I knew I shouldn't do.

[54:37] I have had outgoing council members who wanted to do something before they left office.

[54:45] And their vote was required for majority.

[54:48] Put something on the agenda before the canvas as an action item before the agenda, before

[54:56] the election was canvassed. So they could ram something down.

[55:01] The throw of whoever was being elected, whoever had been elected. There's this what I'd really love for you to do is let's not correct the process for delivery of election results. But let's require that the city council take action to canvas the election as the first item on the agenda following the city's receipt of the official election results. Does that make sense? I get it. Yes.

[55:30] Yeah, but it's not, no, and yeah, because I've seen it, where the last thing the outgoing members do is

[55:43] Something that they know the next

[55:45] Before

[55:51] there before the canvas and if it's asked to be on the agenda and they want it first

[56:00] let it kind of puts it first.

[56:13] I'll say no to the process of delivering the

[56:19] election results. And yes, thank you to the putting the canvassing first on

[56:26] the agenda. Yes. And I would say let's just vote on canvassing first on the

[56:30] agenda. Okay.

[56:41] I'm a yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. And then are we all in agreement not to

[56:47] change the process for delivery. It's not going to change anything.

[56:54] Otherwise, I'm going

[56:54] to have to make another valid item.

[56:59] Okay. Okay. We're good. All right.

[57:07] Yes.

[57:11] Yes.

[57:15] 25% of registered

[57:19] voters as opposed to those who voted in the last election.

[57:23] I might only think with this is right now we're only 5,000 people in 20 years we're going to be 70,000 people, right?

[57:33] If only 5,000 voted at the last election, 1570,000 people could recall you from office, because you didn't vote for twice a week garbage pickup.

[57:48] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[57:54] That's 500, about 550 people.

[57:58] So I do that.

[57:59] I've heard.

[58:00] So it's

[58:10] probably the more common.

[58:12] OK.

[58:20] People, he prefers it to be more restricted

[58:22] than to have to undo something that the brothers did.

[58:26] Brian, you know, I agree.

[58:28] OK, number I'm doing this.

[58:30] Oh, I have three yeses so far.

[58:32] Oh, it's to you.

[58:34] Oh, it's to me, yeah.

[58:36] I'm a yes.

[58:37] Yes?

[58:38] Yes.

[58:38] All right, form

[58:43] of, okay, so the form of the ballots, this one is there's a whole giant

[58:53] section that has the way that a ballot is to look, that is prescribed by state law,

[59:02] and this would take this section out and say the recall petition mentioned above, she'll

[59:09] me the requirements set forth in chapter 3 of the Texas election code. And I've drafted

[59:19] that language, but I can't tell you what it is. It's to get rid of all this stuff.

[59:28] No, maybe.

[59:36] Well, I had yes, but I'll go with maybe, maybe.

[59:45] So that's a six to one, six to one. Yes. All right.

[59:53] It's the same thing for

[59:56] The

[1:00:00] Various papers, constituting a recall petition.

[1:00:06] And it says,

[1:00:10] verifications provided for in section 6.03 of this article may be made by one or more petitioners and the several parts of copies of the petition may be filed separately. I don't think this one is as important as the last one. So I'm going to guess that this is

[1:00:50] So this is right now it says no recall petition shall be filed against any officer of the city within three months after the officer's election.

[1:01:06] or within three months after an election for their recall.

[1:01:12] So the commission voted to change it to six months,

[1:01:19] to give you six months in office,

[1:01:22] to get your feet under you before someone can recall you from office.

[1:01:26] There were two opposed,

[1:01:28] so this was not a unanimous vote of the commission,

[1:01:31] But the majority felt like giving somebody six months and you can't try again for six months after there's been an election.

[1:01:47] Because three, you don't even know what you're doing and you have to approve a budget within three months of your election.

[1:01:55] And you don't even know what the heck a budget is and how it's put together or anything.

[1:02:01] So there was just a feeling that if you run for election and you're elected, you ought

[1:02:09] to have six months to show what you can do.

[1:02:14] And really, the big concern was, okay, you've been elected and then you, you're arrested

[1:02:21] for, let's just use child porn.

[1:02:25] And should we have to wait six months?

[1:02:29] That's the issue.

[1:02:39] They don't have to unless they're convicted.

[1:02:42] But this now says we want to leave them in person.

[1:02:45] That's right.

[1:02:48] I'm going to say they probably resign.

[1:02:50] But what if it's money laundering more?

[1:02:56] I don't know. What else?

[1:02:58] No.

[1:03:00] Three,

[1:03:16] one, three.

[1:03:20] Okay, and so yeah, it is less or six months is less of fewer elections.

[1:03:28] All right, so 20 is the same 25% of the registered voters for initiative and

[1:03:39] referendum are 20 and 21.

[1:03:42] So

[1:03:47] there's a recall there's recall initiative and referendum those are three

[1:03:52] different things that the public can call elections for. This changes that

[1:03:58] threshold from 25% of the people who voted in the last election to 25% of the

[1:04:04] registered voters. Yes. Yes.

[1:04:14] Yes. Yes. All right. I'm going to guess 21 is the

[1:04:19] same yes all right so this is 6.15 voluntary submission of legislation by

[1:04:37] the county I thought this is three quarter and I put two thirds all right I'll

[1:04:43] fix that I'm not perfect guys this was a lot to put together all right so 22

[1:04:50] two is, should it take, say,

[1:04:56] you want something done, and you can...

[1:05:00] We can't get it done, but you convince another person to let it go to the voters. That's how you submit legislation to the voters. What the commission said is it should be more than a majority of the council that wants to submit something to the voters. And so the commission's recommendation was three-quarters majority in order to submit legislation to an initiative.

[1:05:29] to or refer into the elections at six of seven.

[1:05:37] Kind of like a US, not three quarters, but two thirds.

[1:05:41] No, I had it wrong.

[1:05:44] My actual notes from our meetings say three quarters.

[1:05:50] Yeah.

[1:05:52] So I just want to correct it.

[1:05:53] And was there a commission unit?

[1:05:55] Yes.

[1:05:57] And Rosie.

[1:05:58] Yes.

[1:05:59] Major.

[1:05:59] Yes.

[1:06:00] Yes.

[1:06:05] I'm a yes on it.

[1:06:08] Yes.

[1:06:10] Okay.

[1:06:16] Publication of proposed and referred ordinances, let's see.

[1:06:23] Let me look at it.

[1:06:25] 6.17.

[1:06:26] Oh my gosh.

[1:06:27] This was, yeah.

[1:06:29] Our charter says we have to publish it twice in the official newspaper of the city within

[1:06:38] in 15 days before the date of election

[1:06:40] and give such other notices and do such other things

[1:06:44] as required by law in municipal elections

[1:06:46] and by the ordinance or resolution calling the election.

[1:06:50] This just says, shall publish it as required by state law.

[1:06:57] Yes, please.

[1:06:59] Yes.

[1:07:00] Just to say law in my minutes.

[1:07:01] Yes, but this is a really weird one.

[1:07:04] Yes.

[1:07:06] maybe I

[1:07:13] said yes, yes,

[1:07:19] all right so this is um to get you the budget earlier then um what

[1:07:37] That state law requires change

[1:07:48] to 30 days prior to the scheduled date of adoption.

[1:08:04] So this is just lining up with SB2.

[1:08:07] Yeah, because this says on or before the 15th day of August, and if you're going to adopt the budget on September 8,

[1:08:15] You're entitled to get it by August 8th.

[1:08:19] Can we also add on there?

[1:08:24] Yeah.

[1:08:25] So what I'll say, I'll change this to require this,

[1:08:28] the city manager to submit the proposed annual budget

[1:08:31] to the city council as required by state law.

[1:08:37] Yes.

[1:08:39] Yes.

[1:08:43] I'm a yes.

[1:08:44] Yes.

[1:08:46] Yes.

[1:08:49] All right.

[1:08:50] Public hearing on the budget.

[1:08:55] Right.

[1:09:01] Yes. Yes.

[1:09:13] Yes.

[1:09:16] That's one of those things. Okay. I know. You can just do all the same. I mean, it was amazing. Well, here's one that you can talk about.

[1:09:27] So 7.06 says that you adopt the budget. You feel was appropriate. No.

[1:09:40] 26.

[1:09:43] to change the word feel to dean. I say no.

[1:09:51] I say no.

[1:10:06] I had a maybe, but I'll change it to a no.

[1:10:11] All right, 26 is gone. We killed another.

[1:10:20] We're through second page.

[1:10:24] All right, 27 authorizes the sale of bonds for economic development. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[1:10:36] Yes. Thank you.

[1:10:41] So 28, 715 says that the budget may be amended by resolution. Well, you cannot amend an ordinance by a resolution. So we don't do it by resolution.

[1:10:56] We're always going to do it by ordinance.

[1:11:05] Let me ask you this, if we don't change it and we already do it by ordinance, there's

[1:11:11] no repercussions, right?

[1:11:13] We're trying to get some off the list, right?

[1:11:15] I would think that this is one that could go if you guys want to call something.

[1:11:20] I'm no.

[1:11:21] Yes.

[1:11:28] I have yes. Yes.

[1:11:36] All right. I mean, it is it is. I mean, so here's the thing. Your next charter commission is going to bring these same things back to you.

[1:11:49] Right. Right.

[1:11:54] No.

[1:12:00] Yes. So what it says is that state law requires that.

[1:12:07] No, no. This isn't in state law. Our depository bank, we have to go out for every five years.

[1:12:14] But we have imposed on ourselves the requirement to change audit firms every five years.

[1:12:21] And Michelle, does it want to do that? It does take an audit firm several years to fully understand your financials.

[1:12:32] And I understand why she wants it gone.

[1:12:39] New clients.

[1:12:49] Yeah, that's the only reason why I know.

[1:12:51] But I didn't realize it took so long to find.

[1:12:54] It's hard to find auditors.

[1:12:56] But I don't think there should be a mountain, but I do believe that.

[1:12:58] I don't think it needs to be in the charter.

[1:13:01] I think you guys can change auditors whenever you want.

[1:13:05] And you could have a policy.

[1:13:07] and let's just that stuff work.

[1:13:11] That's the request.

[1:13:13] Okay, yes.

[1:13:16] All right. I want to, I'm voting you to remove the requirement.

[1:13:22] Yes, I'm voting to remove the requirements. I'm yes.

[1:13:26] Yes. Yes. You confuse me, Lisa.

[1:13:29] Sorry.

[1:13:32] What is Elizabeth?

[1:13:34] Yes. Yes.

[1:13:36] Well I had a maybe good house. I'll move it to yes, yes, all right. Yes, all right.

[1:13:49] All right. Should we require that a written report be submitted to the City Council within

[1:13:56] three weeks of each PMZ meeting.

[1:14:02] That doesn't happen. It's in the charter. I'm concerned about a legal

[1:14:08] challenge to an otherwise valid action because the council doesn't receive the commission

[1:14:15] report within three weeks.

[1:14:18] I think this really exposes us to a liability for the day's end.

[1:14:23] Yes.

[1:14:24] Yes.

[1:14:25] Yes.

[1:14:26] I

[1:14:28] think so.

[1:14:31] So a no is a yes is to remove that or remove that requirement.

[1:14:42] She wants to remove the automatic removal of a member appointed to the Board of

[1:14:57] mission for absences exceeding.

[1:15:00] 25% in a 12 month period. Yes. Okay, wait, wait, let me find it for you so I could read it to you. This is for the commission. They need less than we do.

[1:15:12] Yes. So this says, if they miss 25% of the meetings, they are automatically off the board of commission. Can we change that to be automatically up for both?

[1:15:29] to be removed from the board,

[1:15:31] or rather than automatically removed?

[1:15:33] It says they shall be deemed

[1:15:34] to have forfeited their position.

[1:15:36] Well, you can remove someone anytime, as a counsel,

[1:15:42] but this says it's automatic.

[1:15:44] So someone who is fighting breast cancer,

[1:15:48] who misses 25% of the meetings,

[1:15:51] is automatically, they're deemed

[1:15:54] to forfeit their position.

[1:15:56] Is it so unexcuse?

[1:15:57] No.

[1:15:57] OK, can we just change it to unexcused and make it less?

[1:16:01] Oh, it says without explanation acceptable to majority of the other.

[1:16:04] And the only reason why I'm voting to not pass this

[1:16:08] is because on one of the boards I have,

[1:16:10] she's no longer on the board, but she's never there at all.

[1:16:15] And so our board voted for removal.

[1:16:18] But I know we love when people volunteer

[1:16:22] and we don't want to have anyone feel

[1:16:24] like they're going to get kicked off.

[1:16:25] However, if they're not showing up, you know, we need someone else in their place. That's my personal opinion. I think 25% isn't too much. I think

[1:16:37] 25%'s fine, but I do think that they need to be. I don't know if they need to be automatically, automatically removed, but that's why I wanted the language change to say, if there could be a vote within their board to remove them. There, there's automatically going to be a vote within their board.

[1:16:57] So the board doesn't appoint them, you do.

[1:17:01] Oh yeah.

[1:17:11] No, it's any board commissioner committee set up by the council.

[1:17:17] Could we change it to a vote on council to remove them?

[1:17:22] You can do that anyway.

[1:17:24] This is, so we're talking about an automatic forfeiture.

[1:17:28] Do you want someone to automatically forfeit their position if they're absent for 25% of the meetings and their board and their board votes that they're unexcused absences?

[1:17:43] Do you want to leave it I guess is the question because right now it says they miss 25 meetings of the regularly scheduled meetings in 12 months.

[1:18:00] Without explanation acceptable to majority of the other members,

[1:18:04] she'll be deemed to have forfeited their position on the Board Commissioner Committee.

[1:18:16] I don't think it's good to ever allow board members to remove other board members,

[1:18:21] because you appoint them.

[1:18:25] And quite frankly, on the other side of that,

[1:18:28] right now we spend a lot of time discussing committees and board members.

[1:18:32] I mean, I don't want to have to be discussing. Also, will they miss three meetings and so you get them off just

[1:18:39] And you'll know that going in. It's like, hey, we have 12 meetings to see if you miss three

[1:18:45] They sound an application says I know when the meetings are. I think we really need to be there

[1:18:50] So you're gonna you want to leave it as is. I think so. Yes. All right. So that would be a no vote

[1:18:56] Yes, no, hold on. What is that? Hold on if you want to leave the automatic removal

[1:19:02] In place it's a no

[1:19:17] All right, he's dead I'm gonna mark him off, okay, I'll say yes

[1:19:23] You're gonna say no

[1:19:26] Yeah, I'm gonna yes, I'm gonna know all right. So he's

[1:19:34] All right.

[1:19:35] Are you an assassin?

[1:19:37] Well, yes and no.

[1:19:37] Yes, we have no point.

[1:19:43] So, all right.

[1:19:45] So, 9.01 says that the PNZ elects our officers in January of each year.

[1:19:54] That is not when they elect their officers.

[1:19:56] So, um, this-

[1:20:00] This would remove that requirement and allow the commissioners to appoint in July a chairman

[1:20:12] and a vice-chairman when they are appointed by the council.

[1:20:20] Well, I think, so here's, remember, that's the ballot language. I know, just give me one

[1:20:27] One second, the actual amended language is, just give me one second.

[1:20:36] That is 9.59.

[1:20:41] No, no, no, it strikes that one sentence.

[1:20:49] In January of each year, the Commission shall elect from its members of Chairman Vice

[1:20:53] chairman of the secretary to serve for one year beginning in that month. And it just

[1:20:58] is silent. Okay, they do whatever they want.

[1:21:06] Which one are we talking about?

[1:21:08] So do we want to strike? Are we going to strike in January? I mean, we're trying to remove

[1:21:20] stuff because we want to narrow it down. Now, I think it should be like I feel like it

[1:21:25] should be changed, but if we don't change it, as I've asked before, are there any repercussions

[1:21:31] that if we don't change it?

[1:21:33] So the only guess, I think this is one of these things that could, you know, when people

[1:21:40] are suing the city over a zoning case and a land use case, my experience is they throw every

[1:21:47] single piece of crap up against the wall and the thing that you never thought that a judge

[1:21:54] would buy is what sticks. Okay, well in that case, yes.

[1:22:10] Okay.

[1:22:15] So the charter

[1:22:18] currently says that the commission has to meet once a month and say that minutes

[1:22:27] will be recorded by the commission's secretary.

[1:22:30] There is no such thing.

[1:22:32] So this would say the commission shall meet as necessary

[1:22:37] and shall keep minutes of the proceedings

[1:22:39] which shall be a public record

[1:22:41] and shall serve without compensation.

[1:22:43] So it takes away the language

[1:22:45] regarding the commission's secretary.

[1:22:48] Is this one of those walls?

[1:22:52] Yeah, because if they don't meet once a month?

[1:22:54] Yeah.

[1:22:55] Okay.

[1:22:56] Yes.

[1:23:04] All right. Okay. 9.02 had in the duties and powers of the commission. The commission

[1:23:15] develops the comprehensive plan. That doesn't happen. The plan is developed with participation

[1:23:24] by the commission. I don't think that this one is a huge thing. What about you for it? I'm going to say no. Oh, okay. Go.

[1:23:36] Yes.

[1:23:44] I said yes.

[1:23:49] I'm alone now, huh?

[1:23:51] No, there were two notes. 421.

[1:23:54] Okay, that makes me feel a little better. Thank you.

[1:23:58] 421.

[1:23:59] one.

[1:24:03] You were the maybe.

[1:24:07] Two is a no.

[1:24:10] The middle box is no.

[1:24:21] Okay,

[1:24:26] the next one is 35

[1:24:37] So this one has to do with the commission's, it says the commission shall review flats and zoning requests and make a report to the City Council.

[1:24:50] The big issue here is this seems to require all flats to go to the commission.

[1:25:00] And they make a recommendation. Well, they have authority to be the final decision maker and they are the final decision maker. So this would make that subject a challenge. And then further, state law has changed this past year to allow administrative approval of Plats because it's a ministerial act. So if the

[1:25:29] The plaque conforms to the ordinances it has to be approved.

[1:25:33] That could be done at the staff level.

[1:25:36] It doesn't have-

[1:25:38] Basically just saying let it roll away the state has dictated, we have staff that takes

[1:25:42] care of something.

[1:25:45] Yeah, but-

[1:25:45] The right now the charter says it makes a report to the City Council for the adoption of final

[1:25:51] plaque.

[1:25:51] We don't do that.

[1:25:53] Right.

[1:25:53] because our ordinance actually says that we're limited to comply with statutory

[1:26:05] language.

[1:26:08] Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

[1:26:20] We will get to.

[1:26:25] I'm a yes. Yes. All right. 36. I asked

[1:26:35] for, I don't care about it. What it does is it puts in the charter that all parts of

[1:26:43] all ordinances are severable. I put that in every ordinance anyway, so as long as I'm your

[1:26:51] city attorney it's okay, but this would just make it so whether it's in the actual ordinance

[1:26:57] or not.

[1:27:01] Yes, so if an ordinance contains some language that a court finds is unlawful.

[1:27:08] The court leaves if that provision is severed out, the rest of the ordinance can remain

[1:27:16] in place. If it is not severed, then the whole ordinance is invalidated. And the charter

[1:27:24] says that if any section of the charter is held invalid, it's separable. I ask that it be changed to if any section of the charter or any ordinance of the city, but if you don't want to add ordinance, and you want to call it, I don't care.

[1:27:59] All right. I'm going to call him dead. Are we good?

[1:28:05] Yes. Six to one.

[1:28:12] Anxation. What we did here was we left. This proposal would say unless

[1:28:21] less prohibited by state law, the City Council should have the power by ordinance by a vote of not less than four concurring votes.

[1:28:28] To fix the boundary limits of the city and provide for annexation, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[1:28:33] And we're saying, we're going to add that, unless prohibited by state law.

[1:28:38] Why?

[1:28:40] Because that would give us the ability, if that comes back to us.

[1:28:47] If we don't change it, it's probably still in there but it doesn't mean anything.

[1:28:53] So, well, by state law, but it would just say, this says we can, state law says we can't.

[1:29:03] If you want to leave it as we can, that's okay.

[1:29:10] We just don't.

[1:29:13] No.

[1:29:21] Maybe I'll make it a maybe maybe if I were recommending something to kill, I would kill

[1:29:37] that one.

[1:29:41] He's killed.

[1:29:44] This one is important because right now your disaster clause says that the Chamber, the highest surviving members of the local Chamber of Commerce and the Board of Trustees.

[1:30:00] And of the school district and the county judge appoint a temporary commission until a council can be elected. I don't think you want the chamber and the school district involved.

[1:30:18] Yes, I want you want to take out the school district I don't want

[1:30:25] to change it yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, all right, good.

[1:30:37] So this is the one that says, currently says, all public records of every office department

[1:30:48] or agency of the city shall be open to expect inspection by any person at all reasonable

[1:30:54] business hours.

[1:30:57] And the Public Information Act says that we have, you know, we can set up a time for them

[1:31:03] to come view it.

[1:31:04] They can't just come in, stomp their foot, snap their fingers, and take Lynette away from preparing election ballots that have to be sent to the county that day.

[1:31:14] So you're taking out by any person that always knows a business and adding pursuant to the Texas information?

[1:31:21] Yes. This is one of those really necessary in case we have that person.

[1:31:26] every city will have that person yet center or later yes yes I'm

[1:31:36] a yes yes that's

[1:31:38] because you love Lynette hey we're on the last one right

[1:31:48] now we have 16

[1:31:53] go ahead

[1:31:54] number 40. 15.02 on 40. I am a no. But

[1:32:04] you're what? I'm a no. Because I want them to

[1:32:24] Okay, well, yeah, we're gonna chop the tail off the bed. I can eat you to time, but yeah, no

[1:32:30] All right, no, no, all right

[1:32:47] Yeah, so let's how many do we break and tell let go tally well before we take a break

[1:32:55] Yeah, would could we go back and I need to get the tally's for the first

[1:33:01] Here I'll give you my thing. Okay, I need me. All right

[1:33:18] .

[1:33:47] .

[1:33:53] .

[1:33:54] .

[1:33:56] Well, the level may drop out, that may drop out.

[1:34:01] Thank you for your work, sir.

[1:34:04] All right.

[1:34:04] I know.

[1:34:05] I know.

[1:34:06] I know.

[1:34:08] It was.

[1:34:11] Morning.

[1:34:12] Is it too much?

[1:34:12] I'm afraid people will be thinking.

[1:34:17] Well, over there.

[1:34:21] There's something really important.

[1:34:43] You probably love this meeting don't you a lot a lot of

[1:34:47] That's a plickable stuff to the police department.

[1:34:50] Here are me, am I in here?

[1:34:51] Here you are.

[1:34:52] It's a tool.

[1:34:53] I made her some doodles at home.

[1:34:55] Are you in?

[1:34:57] I'm good.

[1:34:57] Yes.

[1:35:04] I'm going to get another water. That's all we're going to do.

[1:35:07] Thank you, sir.

[1:35:11] Did you need the first?

[1:35:14] No.

[1:35:17] Yes, sir, no.

[1:35:20] Let your yes be, yes, and you know me, no.

[1:35:31] How do you get your chart made out of the body here I just all over the place that my

[1:36:43] Yeah.

[1:36:44] Yeah.

[1:36:46] Also, my next speaker.

[1:36:48] It's just a second time speaker.

[1:36:50] Yeah.

[1:36:50] Good.

[1:36:50] I'm glad you did.

[1:36:54] Does that mean I have to?

[1:36:56] I'm counting on this.

[1:36:57] Yeah.

[1:36:58] I'm sorry.

[1:36:59] Yeah.

[1:37:00] I'm sorry.

[1:37:02] I'm sorry.

[1:37:02] How do you mean the, yes, but, yes.

[1:37:05] Yes, that's a good one.

[1:37:06] Yes, that's a good one.

[1:37:07] That's a good one.

[1:37:08] I hope that's a good one.

[1:37:10] I'll make sure you turn it side.

[1:38:35] It's a, it's the one out of Sioux Falls, something, but it's going to, uh, Menton, Texas.

[1:39:00] I'll get in at 7.30, so I'm going to go to the first thing I'll check.

[1:39:06] Thank you very much.

[1:39:09] Thank you very much.

[1:40:43] Yep.

[1:40:47] We have 16 unanimous.

[1:40:55] How many of those unanimous are

[1:40:58] known.

[1:41:01] No, we are not.

[1:41:02] You just cross us up.

[1:41:04] So these are 16 unanimous.

[1:41:08] Yes, ballot items.

[1:41:10] There are 9, 6 to 1.

[1:41:12] So let's be the 6 to 1.

[1:41:14] All right.

[1:41:15] The first one is shall the

[1:41:17] responsibility to present an annual

[1:41:20] state of the city be moved from the mayor to the entire city council.

[1:41:25] Number two.

[1:41:29] The only reason I would make me is because I don't think that's something you have to go on the ballot, that's a similar request.

[1:41:35] But it's in the charter that it says that that's the duty of the mayor.

[1:41:40] Right, but what I'm saying is as the mayor, if everyone says, hey, we want to do it all together, that's easy for them to do this.

[1:41:46] That's for a reasonable mayor.

[1:41:50] I mean, I have mayors in cities who would say no.

[1:41:59] Well, but that's it I have two cities right now where the staff is preparing the state

[1:42:09] of the city to be reviewed by the council to then be presented by the mayor and not the

[1:42:17] commission felt like that was the process that should be followed.

[1:42:27] I would

[1:42:36] probably say the six to ones should go on the ballot.

[1:42:41] I mean, that gives you 27.

[1:42:45] That's not a bad number,

[1:42:50] 16, oh, gives you 25, 16 to 9.

[1:43:07] Okay, which ones are it's six to one okay, just give me one second

[1:43:23] Hi, I mean the ones that are 621 right now.

[1:43:25] I'm 621.

[1:43:26] 621.

[1:43:27] So for two, eight

[1:43:33] -

[1:43:33] Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[1:43:35] I mean, it's so, it's harder for me.

[1:43:37] Hey, didn't you send a marker?

[1:43:41] Yeah.

[1:43:41] And this thing's kind of hard to you.

[1:43:43] Eight.

[1:43:44] Okay.

[1:43:45] Number 9.

[1:44:00] Oh, 15.

[1:44:02] 15.

[1:44:03] Oh, I have

[1:44:06] a V.

[1:44:07] I'm 15.

[1:44:14] One and two.

[1:44:15] And

[1:44:22] that's it?

[1:44:22] Yes.

[1:44:23] The goes of the 621s.

[1:44:25] Yeah.

[1:44:25] Yes.

[1:44:25] All right, did you say six was on there six six seven eight? No

[1:44:38] 10 and 13 got it

[1:44:43] 25

[1:44:55] The speed is 3, 2, 3, 4, 5.

[1:45:00] All right, don't go so fast, okay?

[1:45:06] We can only do one proposition

[1:45:20] 11, 12, what else?

[1:45:31] 10 on 16.

[1:45:35] No, they're different. One is 3.06 requires you to be physically present

[1:45:45] at 80% of the meetings within a calendar year. Four would require a unanimous vote of

[1:45:54] city council to clear a council seat vacant versus a majority vote. I would take a look

[1:46:04] at the five to choose honestly and probably stop there.

[1:46:08] I'm sorry.

[1:46:09] Okay, hold on.

[1:46:10] Can we get through?

[1:46:11] Yes.

[1:46:11] Following us the ones that are the exits.

[1:46:14] I mean, I did have 16.

[1:46:16] 20?

[1:46:17] 20 bullets.

[1:46:19] 24?

[1:46:21] 27?

[1:46:22] Hold on.

[1:46:23] Sorry.

[1:46:24] 20, 21.

[1:46:25] 24, 27?

[1:46:38] 35, 38.

[1:46:42] Okay.

[1:46:42] 39.

[1:46:44] Where do you need them?

[1:46:45] Yes.

[1:46:46] Okay.

[1:46:46] I left off at 30, over the last ones.

[1:46:49] Yeah.

[1:47:05] Number four is five to two.

[1:47:10] I'm looking at it.

[1:47:21] That's the only five to two.

[1:47:28] Yeah.

[1:47:37] Yeah, that's the one that says that if you miss 80% yeah,

[1:47:47] let me finish.

[1:47:53] Right. If you

[1:47:55] You miss 80% of the, you're not physically present in 80% of the calendar year.

[1:48:02] You can be kicked out of office by a majority vote of the council currently,

[1:48:10] correct?

[1:48:11] You know, it's not me, it's what the commission said.

[1:48:14] Yeah.

[1:48:15] The commission chose unanimous because they thought that you're undoing the election by making

[1:48:20] somebody out of office is really like it.

[1:48:23] I certainly didn't think it should be a majority vote, clearly.

[1:48:26] But didn't we already say in the 1-4 that if you miss 3-4-3 and excuse you're out. No, then there's a vote of the council.

[1:48:35] Right. Can we, instead of a unanimous, why don't we do like the other ones where we change it to 2-3?

[1:48:49] I don't mean to put words in the, uh,

[1:49:01] these people were duly elected.

[1:49:03] They were elected, so it needs to be basically act of Congress to be able to kick them out of office.

[1:49:26] Yes, yes, we're looking at three number four number four basically moving

[1:49:39] Yes, yes.

[1:49:44] All right.

[1:49:45] Excuse me once again,

[1:49:50] I'm on the stage in those days.

[1:49:52] There was a lot of effort and time spent on my glitch.

[1:49:57] Or what I noticed or what made me think.

[1:49:59] So I think you can...

[1:50:07] Local government changing it from unanimous to three-quarter or two-thirds. I think their point was they should be a whole lot more than a simple majority to unseat someone who's been elected. So the term unanimous wasn't.

[1:50:25] I just had a question about that, Brenda. If that person was the person that was up for getting booted, basically, they wouldn't have the ability to vote. Right, no.

[1:50:41] no. It says unanimously approved by the remaining City Council.

[1:50:46] Okay. Which one? 26. 26? No, no. 26 items for the ballot. Oh, okay. And the rest

[1:50:57] of them then weren't really close. There was like one that was,

[1:51:07] oh, 27. No, 20, it was 25

[1:51:09] five and then we added number four and make it 26.

[1:51:15] Then we added number four,

[1:51:22] do

[1:52:31] them in order of importance or we can do it by section

[1:52:35] number like you've looked at them here.

[1:52:37] Well I would personally, I would like the first one on there is the one about the economic

[1:52:43] development.

[1:52:46] The other ones aren't as big of a deal to me but I don't want that to be buried in the middle

[1:52:50] and then they're tired of voting on 26 items and so they...

[1:52:56] Okay, I can do that.

[1:53:00] Right, that's the only one I really, really care about to be at number one.

[1:53:04] And then what a great thing to be able to do is just play the language to me.

[1:53:12] Break out the other ones that you just need.

[1:53:15] Put the state law compatibility last.

[1:53:19] No, that should go second.

[1:53:22] Because those are the ones that we need, so that we don't get sick.

[1:53:25] I think after the economic development, whatever, I do think that the bone was found.

[1:53:37] We can do the unanimous ones next, and then the six to ones next.

[1:53:43] That works.

[1:53:44] okay then

[1:53:48] unanimous

[1:53:54] would it

[1:54:07] have to have or couldn't we even have a place to

[1:54:11] check if they wanted them all you can't do that you can't do that but you can

[1:54:17] vote politically no you can't not anymore you can't do it anymore no straight

[1:54:25] Well excuse me, no we've got to put it we'll put it on the next meeting with

[1:54:34] the ordinance calling the election yeah

[1:54:41] you just have to send to me who's yeah

[1:54:52] It's, she's gonna have to.

[1:54:54] Yeah.

[1:54:54] I'm, I'm, I'm gonna have to.

[1:54:55] Thank you guys again so far.

[1:54:58] Yeah, thank you.

[1:54:58] Alright.

[1:55:01] Did you, did you want to say anything? You sure?

[1:55:11] Good.

[1:56:00] Make a motion that we prepare the ballot as discussed.

[1:56:12] Aye.

[1:56:19] I'll make a motion to adjourn.

[1:56:24] Second. Second. Third.

[1:56:33] Aye.

[1:56:49] Thanks for the pizza, you know I have to eat some probably three or four nights around

[1:56:55] my kids rob it and yesterday we're not going to use my parents and to of course take

[1:57:01] 50 to pizza and I'm not complaining, I just had a lot of pizza waste, yeah absolutely.

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