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[33:05] for affordable the housing this

[33:08] includes additional funds for

[33:10] owner, minor home repair,

[33:11] permanent supportive housing and

[33:18] multifamily affordable housing.

[33:20] 311 had several questions at

[33:22] last week's b session and the

[33:24] trial budget calls to increase

[33:27] staffing to the 31 call center

[33:28] by 10 full time and two

[33:29] part-time positions, to decrease

[33:30] the amount of time it takes to

[33:32] respond to calls.

[33:35] Currently the 311 center has a

[33:36] 20 full time staff and part-time

[33:38] staff with some ten funding in

[33:40] the center, call volume

[33:43] increased over 20 percent since

[33:46] 2018, the center back in 2018

[33:47] and 2019 exceeded its service

[33:49] level goals with 96 percent of

[33:51] all calls were answers.

[33:53] This year, 311 projects with

[33:55] that increased call volume we

[33:56] are seeing, that will lead to

[33:58] tan overall response of

[33:59] approximately 81 percent of

[34:02] calls to be answered further

[34:04] calls answered within 45 seconds

[34:06] which is the service level goal

[34:08] is expected to decrease to

[34:11] 45 percent down from 84 percent

[34:12] in 2019.

[34:13] With the additional staffing

[34:15] proposed in the trial budget,

[34:17] the expectation would be to

[34:19] answer a 90 percent of all calls

[34:22] and get to 69 percent of calls

[34:30] within 45 seconds.

[34:31] The call center is open seven

[34:34] days a week from 7:00 A.M. To

[34:35] 7:00 P.M., there is limited

[34:37] operations for animal care and

[34:39] traffic concerns from 7:00 P.M.

[34:43] To 11:00 P.M. Nightly,

[34:43] unsurprisingly most of the calls

[34:46] come in during the peak hours

[34:47] generally between 9:00 A.M. And

[34:49] 4:00 P.M. And also tend to come

[34:50] in on monday morning and tail

[34:53] off throughout the week with

[34:54] relatively low volumes on late

[34:59] nights and weekends.

[35:00] The police department property

[35:01] room is a budget issue that also

[35:03] has been discussed.

[35:06] The city council approved $25

[35:07] property storage fee back with

[35:09] the 2010 budget to partially

[35:12] recover costs associated with

[35:14] storage fees.

[35:16] In 2018, the bexar county

[35:18] changed its property intake

[35:19] property so that only certain

[35:23] items can be stored there,

[35:24] essentially limited to credit

[35:27] card and id phone keys and some

[35:28] cash, several items such as

[35:31] jewelry, wallets, are now stored

[35:32] at the city's property right,

[35:35] which has increased impounded

[35:36] property at the city storage

[35:37] facility.

[35:39] The fee currently brings in

[35:42] about $200,000 that partially

[35:43] offsets $1.1 million

[35:45] approximately in annual costs to

[35:51] operate the facility.

[35:52] Alamo promise is another topic

[35:54] of discussion for the b session.

[35:55] Animal promise provides

[35:57] graduates of bexar county high

[35:59] schools gap financing between

[36:01] the cost of tuition and

[36:05] financial aid at the five alamo

[36:05] colleges.

[36:07] In the current year, fiscal year

[36:10] '21 the adopted budget includes

[36:11] $1.1 million in matching dollars

[36:14] to serve nearly 5,000 students.

[36:16] The year three request for

[36:18] fiscal year '22 is about

[36:19] $2.5 million.

[36:21] Again this would provide last

[36:23] dollar scholarships to about

[36:27] 7,200 students and additional

[36:30] schools to the program.

[36:31] Let's talk a little bit about

[36:32] financial policy and preparation

[36:35] for the upcoming fiscal year '22

[36:37] proposed budget.

[36:37] Financial policy guides the

[36:39] preparation of the budget and

[36:40] the purpose of financial

[36:42] policies is to establish

[36:43] guidance and financial

[36:45] management for the city.

[36:46] The, they are critical domain

[36:47] tank a strong financial position

[36:49] and to adapt to economic

[36:50] challenges like we have seen

[36:54] over the last year plus, several

[36:55] months going back to the

[36:55] beginning of the pandemic.

[36:57] These are also the financial

[36:59] policies that we present to bond

[37:00] rating agencies as part of the

[37:03] city's overall credit.

[37:05] The city's goal is to maintain

[37:06] structural balance in the

[37:07] general fund.

[37:08] That opinions our current

[37:09] revenues should cover our

[37:11] current expenses.

[37:12] The city also has a policy to

[37:15] keep public safety spending

[37:17] below 66 percent of the general

[37:19] fund revenues and we maintain a

[37:21] balance of 15 percent overall in

[37:23] our general fund each year.

[37:25] Finally the city maintains

[37:26] additional contingencies of

[37:29] $1 million in the general fund

[37:30] and $3 million in the capital

[37:31] budget during the year to

[37:33] account for periodic

[37:35] fluctuations within a given

[37:38] fiscal year.

[37:39] Additionally one of our policies

[37:41] is to address any internal

[37:42] service fund deficits within

[37:44] three to five years.

[37:47] Internal service funds in the

[37:49] city provide services for the

[37:50] entire service and are

[37:52] reimbursed from city operational

[37:52] funds.

[37:56] For example, the city is -- the

[37:59] city is self insured for

[38:00] employee benefits such as

[38:01] workers' compensation and

[38:03] health, live and dental, should

[38:04] any of these internal service

[38:06] funds go into deficit, the

[38:07] city's policy is to restore

[38:09] those funds to balance within

[38:11] three to five years by charging

[38:13] back other funds of the city to

[38:14] keep them in balance.

[38:17] The city also should have just

[38:18] fees and charges for service to

[38:20] keep up with those services that

[38:22] are partially or pulley

[38:24] supported by -- charges other

[38:25] than taxes.

[38:28] At this time we are not looking

[38:31] at fee increases in the fund.

[38:32] The city reviews the impact of

[38:35] the state imposed 3.5 percent

[38:36] property tax cap that was

[38:37] enacted a few years ago.

[38:39] We are not expected to reach

[38:42] that cap in fiscal year '22, and

[38:45] the city also has a policy to

[38:48] review property tax relief.. A

[38:51] focus on homeowners and our cfo

[38:52] -- that will expand on property

[38:57] taxes in just a minute.

[38:58] Following today's meeting, staff

[38:59] will take the feedback from

[39:01] here, from other sessions and

[39:05] surveys to finalize the fiscal

[39:05] year 2022 proposed budget.

[39:06] The city manager will propose

[39:09] the budget formally on AUGUST 12

[39:10] after the budget is proposed

[39:13] there will be more community

[39:14] engagement, several budget work

[39:16] sessions with the council prior

[39:20] to the scheduled adoption on

[39:20] SEPTEMBER 16th.

[39:22] With that, I will turn it over

[39:25] to ben gorzell and dive a little

[39:27] deep severe the tax review

[39:28] property and jeff coyle will

[39:31] talk about the community survey.

[39:39] thank you.

[39:43] >> good morning, mayor and

[39:45] councilmembers, ben gorzell,

[39:46] chief financial officer for the

[39:47] city.

[39:48] As scott said I will give you a

[39:49] little bit of information about

[39:50] the relief we currently offer on

[39:55] property taxes, so we do offer a

[39:57] homestead exemption, and under

[39:59] state law we are pretty limited

[40:01] in terms of what we can do.

[40:02] The one tool we have when you

[40:04] adopt the homestead exemption is

[40:07] it has to be as a percentage of

[40:09] the value of the home so we

[40:11] don't have the ability, for

[40:12] example, a couple of years ago

[40:14] the council asked us to look at

[40:16] things like how about adopting a

[40:17] flat dollar amount?

[40:19] We don't have the ability to do

[40:20] that.

[40:21] We have conversations about

[40:23] tiering homestead exemption

[40:24] where you would do it based don

[40:26] years of ownership of the home.

[40:27] We don't have the ability to do

[40:28] that.

[40:32] All we can do is adopt as a

[40:33] percentage of home value.

[40:35] The council in 2019 moved

[40:37] forward with a homestead

[40:38] exemption, the state law says it

[40:40] is a percentage but it can't be

[40:42] less than $5,000.

[40:45] So the council adopted a

[40:48] .01 percent homestead exemption.

[40:50] That triggered the minimum value

[40:52] under state law, so currently

[40:54] every homestead in san antonio

[40:56] gets a $5,000 exemption, because

[40:58] we triggered that minimum

[40:58] amount.

[40:59] If you were to move that up

[41:01] going forward, that would change

[41:04] based on the value of the home.

[41:09] In terms of our elderly

[41:11] population, we do offer an over

[41:14] age 65, $65,000 property tax

[41:18] exemption, and we also offer a

[41:20] $12,500 disabled persons

[41:20] exemption.

[41:24] I want to note an important stat

[41:24] here.

[41:27] So when we look at our -- those

[41:28] that have applied with the

[41:29] appraisal district that actually

[41:31] have the homestead in place,

[41:35] 45 percent of's are frozen, so

[41:37] we have the.. Senior tax freeze

[41:39] in place and I will show you a

[41:41] slide as far as how that looks

[41:42] and what that looks like.

[41:43] 45 percent of our homesteads in

[41:45] the city are frozen, meaning

[41:47] that their city tax bill does

[41:48] not increase year to year

[41:49] regardless of with what value of

[41:51] the home does.

[41:53] When you look at all of that in

[41:54] terms of the exemptions and the

[41:56] relief that we offer, the total

[42:02] we will forego in fy '21 is

[42:04] approximately $65.8 million,

[42:05] with 6.1 million of that is

[42:06] attribute to believe the local

[42:07] homestead exemption.

[42:08] One of the things we are going

[42:11] to work on and actually

[42:12] councilmember bravo brought this

[42:14] up during b session last week,

[42:15] what you are looking at here and

[42:17] the numbers I just gave you are

[42:18] those homeowners that have filed

[42:19] for a homestead exemption with

[42:21] the appraisal district.

[42:22] You know, one of the things we

[42:23] want to work on and work with

[42:24] the appraisal district on, we

[42:26] know there are many more

[42:29] single-family or single-family

[42:31] homes within the city, some of

[42:34] those are going to be rental

[42:34] properties.

[42:36] But we want to reach out to

[42:38] those homeowners and make sure

[42:40] that if they are eligible for an

[42:43] over age 65 or a homestead

[42:45] exemption that we help them file

[42:46] that and we are going to work on

[42:49] a process to do that.

[42:51] State law did change in 2019

[42:52] requiring appraisal districts to

[42:53] notify those properties.

[42:55] They are sending letters out and

[42:56] doing those things.

[42:57] We are actually going to do a

[42:59] little more analysis and come

[43:01] back to you and do a district by

[43:01] district analysis.

[43:02] We would like to create some

[43:03] maps and then work with you

[43:05] individually in terms of how we

[43:06] reach out to those homeowners

[43:09] again to make sure that this is

[43:10] their residence.

[43:11] We want to make sure they are

[43:12] taking advantage of the tools we

[43:16] have in place today.

[43:18] I mentioned the senior exemption

[43:20] and the tax freeze and the last

[43:21] time I talked about this, I

[43:23] think there was a little bit of

[43:25] confusion how this actually

[43:25] works.

[43:26] So I thought the staff did a

[43:30] good job of putting together a

[43:31] graphic here I will walk through

[43:32] that hopefully helps.

[43:34] So in in example, we have got a

[43:37] person here age 64, they have a

[43:38] homestead and in that year their

[43:41] home value was $200,000.

[43:43] They have got homestead

[43:45] exemption so they have a $5,000

[43:46] reduction in taxable value so

[43:49] their taxable value is actually

[43:51] $195,000 in this scenario.

[43:52] And then if you apply our city

[43:55] tax rate so to that their city

[43:57] tax bill would be $1,089.

[43:59] We go to the next year, they

[44:01] have now turned age 65.

[44:04] The value of that home increased

[44:06] to $206,000, the $5,000

[44:07] homestead exemption for the city

[44:09] is still there, so you take that

[44:11] off of that assessed value and

[44:14] then now we take an additional

[44:16] $65,000 off of that value.

[44:20] So the taxable value drops down

[44:21] to $136,000 in this example.

[44:24] You apply the city tax rate,

[44:25] their city tax bill is now

[44:28] dropped to $759, result of that

[44:30] senior exemption.

[44:31] And then because we have the

[44:34] senior tax freeze in place,

[44:35] while you can see that top line

[44:36] in this example, the home

[44:38] continues to increase in value,

[44:41] that city property tax bill

[44:42] doesn't change.

[44:44] It stays at that $759.

[44:46] So as long as they don't make

[44:48] any substantial improvements to

[44:51] the home, add a pool, add an

[44:53] additional room, something like

[44:55] that, this will stay in place,

[44:57] and in the event they add an

[44:58] improvement, this only gets

[45:00] adjusted for the improvement and

[45:01] then it is frozen again.

[45:03] So as I mentioned on the

[45:04] previous slide, 45 percent of

[45:06] the homesteads in san antonio

[45:09] look just like this for the city

[45:10] tax bill.

[45:13] In terms of what our local

[45:14] jurisdictions look like here in

[45:16] bexar county that actually

[45:18] assess a property tax rate, we

[45:21] have listed them here on this

[45:21] slide.

[45:23] You can see the tax rate there

[45:26] on the far left.

[45:27] There are local homestead

[45:29] exemptions in place for us, the

[45:30] river authority and the

[45:32] independent school district.

[45:33] There are some mandatory

[45:35] exemptions in place for to the

[45:36] school districts here and for

[45:38] bexar county road and flood and

[45:40] then there is the over age 65

[45:41] exemptions and then I will just

[45:42] jump to the far right.

[45:44] You see most of the

[45:45] jurisdictions here in the county

[45:46] have the property tax freeze.

[45:50] So the school district tax will

[45:52] work just like the one I just

[45:55] showed you on the previous

[45:55] slide.

[45:58] So again, once they hit age 65,

[45:59] the taxes would be frozen.

[46:01] So we just want to share that

[46:03] with you in terms of some stats

[46:04] on our property taxes.

[46:05] At this point I am going to turn

[46:07] it over to assistant city

[46:08] manager jeff coyle who is going

[46:10] to give you an update on our

[46:17] community survey.

[46:19] Good morning.

[46:20] Mayor and council.

[46:22] The government and public

[46:23] affairs department, let me get

[46:33] to the right slide here, MAY I

[46:35] have a little assistant, team in

[46:37] getting to our slides.

[46:38] While they are working on that

[46:40] the government of public affairs

[46:43] department conducted an assay

[46:45] peek up survey.. To gather

[46:47] public input on what our

[46:49] community wants to see in the

[46:49] budget.

[46:51] To date, we have received over

[46:54] 9,000 responses, 9,025.

[46:55] For the purposes of the that we

[46:57] are going share today the survey

[47:00] period was from JUNE 1st to

[47:01] JUNE 21st, but I will talk about

[47:03] that data in just a second.

[47:05] The survey was conducted in

[47:06] spanish and english.

[47:10] We promoted it on social media.

[47:12] We purchased digital

[47:12] advertisements.

[47:14] We e-mail every single

[47:16] respondent of past surveys.

[47:17] We have been doing this now for

[47:19] five or six years and invite

[47:21] them to take the survey again.

[47:23] We pitch sorry troys media.

[47:24] We purchased some media,

[47:26] television and radio.

[47:29] We sent mailers to districts

[47:31] 2 through 5, which have

[47:33] historically provided the lowest

[47:34] response, so we make a little

[47:36] extra effort in those districts.

[47:37] We have yard signs throughout

[47:39] our city parks and we have been

[47:40] working with our stakeholder

[47:41] groups and our city departments

[47:45] to get the word out.

[47:46] Now, there is -- anybody can

[47:47] take this survey.

[47:49] It is a digital survey.

[47:50] This year and last we have had

[47:53] to do digital only as a result

[47:54] of covid.

[47:56] In prior years we also had paper

[47:58] surveys at libraries and we will

[47:59] do that here later this summer,

[48:02] but it is a survey that we don't

[48:03] control demographics.

[48:06] We don't do a representative

[48:08] sample, which would prevent many

[48:09] people from taking the survey.

[48:11] Only those who are lucky enough

[48:13] to get sampled with the survey.

[48:15] Instead we open this to

[48:15] everyone.

[48:16] And so in prior years what we

[48:18] have done is monitor the

[48:20] demographics throughout the

[48:22] survey period and then double

[48:23] down our efforts in those areas

[48:25] that are lagging, so if a

[48:28] certain council district, we are

[48:29] not getting as many numbers or a

[48:31] certain demographic group we do

[48:32] a lot of street efforts and send

[48:34] street teams out to community

[48:34] events.

[48:36] Go to senior centers.

[48:37] We do robo calls.

[48:40] Do we all sorts of things to try

[48:41] to get those numbers up.

[48:42] We will do that later this

[48:44] summer so the numbers you are

[48:46] about to see are not as

[48:48] representative of the community

[48:50] as whole as we would like and we

[48:51] will continue working on that

[48:53] and for the purposes of today we

[48:57] are going to disago fate the

[48:59] data.. Get a city wide answer

[49:04] but rather a district response.

[49:05] So here is the council

[49:05] breakdown.

[49:07] If we had a perfectly even

[49:08] distribution we would have

[49:10] ten percent for every council

[49:12] district, so you see districts

[49:15] 1, 7, 8, 10, are close to that

[49:16] din percent mark.

[49:18] But then we have a big jump in

[49:20] district mine this year, almost

[49:23] twice number, and 18 percent,

[49:25] almost one in five didn't know

[49:27] their council district so that

[49:28] affects the distribution as

[49:28] well.

[49:31] Clearly, we have worked to do in

[49:32] districts 2 through 5,

[49:33] 2 through 6 to try to bring

[49:36] those numbers up.

[49:38] In terms of age, we have a

[49:39] really nice distribution across

[49:41] all of the various age groups

[49:43] with the largest number of

[49:45] respondents coming from the 35

[49:48] to 44 age group.

[49:49] Gender we had twice as many

[49:52] women as men take survey this

[49:53] year.

[49:55] And then race and ethnicity this

[49:56] is another area and I think tied

[49:58] to the higher response in

[50:00] districts 8, 9 and 10.

[50:02] We have a higher percentage of

[50:06] white respondents than the other

[50:07] demographic groups, in this

[50:09] community hispanics make up

[50:10] 64 percent of the population,

[50:12] black or african-american is

[50:14] about seven percent, so those

[50:16] responses are lower than what

[50:17] our community make-up is, and

[50:18] that's where we still need to do

[50:19] some work.

[50:23] Again, to note there is almost

[50:24] 14 percent prefer not answer

[50:27] that affects the distribution a

[50:28] little bit.

[50:30] and finally we ask income, and

[50:31] you see the largest percentage

[50:35] fall right between that 50 and

[50:37] $75,000 per year income.

[50:39] And so two things.

[50:41] The city manager has asked, has

[50:42] directed us to keep the survey

[50:42] open.

[50:43] We are going to do that through

[50:45] the month of JULY and we are

[50:46] going to work with those

[50:48] districts that had lower

[50:50] response rates, will do door

[50:53] hangers and like to do block

[50:53] walking with the new

[50:55] councilmembers and some targeted

[50:57] advertising and efforts with

[50:58] stakeholder group to balance out

[51:00] the demographics.

[51:01] For today's purposes we are

[51:03] going show you the numbers

[51:04] disaggregated, which I think

[51:06] will hopefully still inform the

[51:06] discussion here.

[51:07] So we asked three major

[51:08] questions.

[51:10] The first was of the programs

[51:12] that were cut from the last two

[51:14] budgets, from fy-20 and 21,

[51:17] which of those would you like to

[51:19] most see restored in this year's

[51:19] budget?

[51:22] And we asked them to rank those

[51:22] categories.

[51:24] So there were five major program

[51:26] areas in terms of public facing

[51:28] programs that were cut from

[51:31] previous budgets and it is a

[51:33] pretty clear response from the

[51:34] community, streets, in unone is

[51:35] where they want to see the

[51:38] number restored, the economic

[51:39] development incentives for job

[51:42] creation is number 2, planning

[51:44] dollars for the sa tomorrow

[51:46] plan, clear number 3 and you see

[51:48] some differences between arts

[51:50] funding and our contribution to

[51:51] visit san antonio to generate

[51:52] tourism.

[51:53] so that was pretty clear across

[51:55] the board.

[51:57] Second question was, if we have

[52:00] to cut from this budget and

[52:01] next, which areas would you not

[52:03] like to see cut?

[52:06] What is most sacred to you in

[52:08] terms of what is currently in

[52:10] our budget going forward?

[52:13] And we -- so as to not make

[52:14] people pick one category,

[52:15] because we know a lot of these

[52:17] programs are important, we allow

[52:20] people to select five of them,

[52:21] and ten score them accordingly.

[52:24] And so this is a busy chart and

[52:26] I am going to linger on it a

[52:27] second so you look at this.

[52:28] But this is where we start to

[52:31] see some differences by drink.

[52:34] So district 6 through 10 clearly

[52:36] said do not cut fire.

[52:37] Do not cut fire.

[52:39] And you go to the next row,

[52:41] several of the same districts,

[52:43] 8, 9, and 10 also said do not

[52:43] cut police.

[52:46] And you bring in also districts

[52:48] 3 and 4, who had fire and police

[52:51] as their top two, or in the top

[52:51] two.

[52:53] Third was a pretty clear, almost

[52:56] across the board streets and

[52:58] sidewalks in almost every

[52:59] district's top three.

[53:00] But then you start to really see

[53:01] some differences here.

[53:03] Will be at district 5.

[53:05] Number one, do to the cut senior

[53:06] services.

[53:07] That's most important to the

[53:09] respondents from district 5.

[53:10] Followed by public health and

[53:11] streets and sidewalks.

[53:13] And I will note district 3 also

[53:15] had senior services, then

[53:16] police, then streets.

[53:18] We will get to district 2.

[53:20] Housing affordability.

[53:21] Clearly number one

[53:22] one and district

[53:25] 2, and if you look across that

[53:26] row, it scored much lower in

[53:28] many of the other districts,

[53:30] perhaps reflective of housing

[53:32] challenges and issues in

[53:33] district 2.

[53:35] Or it certainly is reflective of

[53:36] it being a priority and

[53:37] something they don't want to see

[53:39] cut and finally in district 1,

[53:41] public health was number one,

[53:43] followed by senior services and

[53:45] streets and sidewalks.

[53:47] By the way, I should note, your

[53:49] binders have a district specific

[53:50] report, so while I am going

[53:51] through this kind of quickly you

[53:53] refer to that at any point today

[53:54] and you will have the data in

[53:56] front of you.

[53:58] The final question was, if the

[54:00] budget, if we are allowed, if we

[54:02] are able to make strategic

[54:03] investments in this budget,

[54:09] which city services would you

[54:09] like to see increased?

[54:09] So it is a different question

[54:10] from don't cut.

[54:10] It is where do we need to put

[54:10] more money?

[54:12] And again we let people choose

[54:14] five different choices and then

[54:17] score them accord dwi.

[54:19] And so, clearly, across the

[54:22] board, streets and sachs is a

[54:24] winner that question, almost

[54:25] every district had it as number

[54:27] one with the exceptions of 1 and

[54:29] 5 and they still had it in top

[54:30] 3.

[54:32] Public health, a clear number

[54:34] 2 across the board with district

[54:37] 1, again, saying that was most

[54:38] important.

[54:39] And I think district -- excuse

[54:42] me, and I think senior services

[54:44] comes in as a clear solid number

[54:46] three with district

[54:49] 5 prioritizing that above all

[54:49] else.

[54:50] Maybe you see a little bit of

[54:53] variation with parks and rec and

[54:54] housing affordability jumping in

[54:57] the top three in districts 1,

[54:58] 2 and 7.

[54:58] Okay.

[55:00] Now, excuse me.

[55:00] Oops.

[55:03] This is going forward on me now.

[55:04] We also broke this up by race

[55:05] and ethnicity.

[55:07] We just did it for all of them.

[55:09] We can disaggregate all of the

[55:11] data but for the purposes of

[55:14] today we disaggregated for this

[55:14] question specifically about

[55:16] where we should put more money.

[55:18] And there is a lot of variation

[55:19] here.

[55:21] So this is where should we make

[55:22] strategic investments by race

[55:24] and ethnicity.

[55:26] Let's start with the largest

[55:27] demographics group in the

[55:30] community, hispanic or latino,

[55:32] public health, number one,

[55:34] senior services, number 2 and

[55:36] streets and sidewalks number 3.

[55:38] And I will note native hawaiian,

[55:40] about a civic islander also had

[55:41] public health number one.

[55:43] If we move over to white

[55:44] respondents, streets and

[55:47] sidewalks, number one, parks,

[55:50] number two, and public health,

[55:50] number three.

[55:54] And then if we look over at

[55:55] black, african-american

[55:56] respondents, again.. The

[55:59] housing affordability jumps to

[56:01] number one for that demographic

[56:03] group request senior health and

[56:04] senior services following.

[56:05] And then finally the last slide,

[56:11] I will break it up by age, and I

[56:11] think the easiest way to look at

[56:12] this slide in any view is to

[56:13] smith it right down the middle,

[56:16] so 45 and above, 44 and below.

[56:19] 45 and above, streets and

[56:20] sidewalks, one or two in all of

[56:24] those age groups, with senior

[56:26] services as 1 or 2 in all of

[56:28] those age category, maybe not

[56:29] surprising since this is the

[56:30] older age categories.

[56:34] You see in the 55 and up,

[56:36] police, more funding the or

[56:39] police becomes a top three

[56:39] priority.

[56:42] Looking below 44 and below,

[56:44] public health is one or two in

[56:47] all of those age groups.

[56:49] Pa parks and rec, important for

[56:51] those between 25 and 44.

[56:54] And then housing affordability

[56:57] between 18 and 34, second and

[56:58] third, youth services gets a

[57:01] third place for the 18 to 24

[57:01] category.

[57:04] So the young people are saying,

[57:06] services, we have the older

[57:07] people saying senior services

[57:08] which probably shouldn't

[57:09] surprise anyone.

[57:12] So with that, we have -- my

[57:13] assistant director laura has a

[57:16] list of tactics we are going to

[57:18] deploy to get the survey open

[57:20] with erik's direction through at

[57:22] least the first three weeks of

[57:23] JULY we will be reaching out to

[57:24] your offices and have updated

[57:26] numbers as this budget process

[57:27] moves forward.

[57:28] So with that, I think I will

[57:29] turn it back to you, right,

[57:29] erik?

[57:30] >> yes.

[57:30] Thanks.

[57:31] >> thank you, council.

[57:32] >> thank you, jeff.

[57:35] One thing I wanted to point out

[57:37] and it was on the -- one of the

[57:38] slides 0 that was talked about

[57:41] the 20 the if dollar property

[57:42] room fee.

[57:44] The reason why that is in there

[57:48] is because of the ccr that was

[57:52] drafted by COUNCILMAN Havrda and

[57:53] discussed as public safety

[57:55] committee.. I think part of the

[57:56] discussion at the committee was

[58:00] we would bring that back to the

[58:03] council during budget to get

[58:06] feedback that you saw that cost

[58:09] changes about $200,000 in lost

[58:11] revenue but something certainly

[58:13] -- the consensus, I think

[58:14] COUNCILWOMAN At some point you

[58:16] MAY want to share with the rest

[58:17] of the colleagues what the

[58:19] conversation was at public

[58:20] safety.

[58:20] >> great,.

[58:21] >> Mayor Nirenberg: great.

[58:22] Thank you very much, you all for

[58:26] the presentations.

[58:28] And just for.. From you are we

[58:29] have a number of different

[58:30] sections of our discussion

[58:31] today.

[58:32] Obviously we will be getting

[58:34] into a little bit more depth on

[58:36] the priorities that were listed

[58:37] in one of the earlier slides.

[58:39] You see them on your agenda.

[58:41] So for the purposes of this

[58:42] section, it is really just again

[58:44] a recap of our level set trial

[58:46] budget, along with our financial

[58:47] policies and then of course the

[58:50] community survey input process.

[58:51] If you would like to chime in

[58:53] and ask questions open any one

[58:55] of those sections, let me know.

[58:57] Otherwise we will move on.

[58:58] Just signal me.

[58:59] And we are going to try to keep

[59:00] the conversation flowing so on

[59:01] these earlier sections we will

[59:03] give about five minutes to kind

[59:05] of give everybody a chance do,

[59:07] who wants one, otherwise, we

[59:08] move on.

[59:09] And this when have a locker

[59:10] discussion about priorities,

[59:12] perhaps that.. Aren't listed in

[59:15] the earlier sections later today

[59:19] at the 2:30 break.

[59:20] So I don't have a whole lot of

[59:22] questions to start us.

[59:23] Again, I am looking around the

[59:25] room if anyone wants to chime in

[59:27] just signal me.

[59:27] Okay.

[59:29] I do have one comment, though.

[59:31] And that is as we look at the

[59:35] community input, I think it is

[59:37] very difficult perhaps,

[59:40] dangerous for us to take

[59:41] nonscientific data and jam it

[59:44] into a scientific box and so

[59:46] with respect to the responses

[59:50] that we are receiving, I would

[59:54] caution us, again, and also pay

[59:55] attention to the representatives

[59:57] who were elected in that

[59:59] district, a lot of times in lieu

[1:00:01] of the scientific data we do

[1:00:04] something like focus groups to

[1:00:06] kind of dig into some of these

[1:00:08] answers, but, again, that is

[1:00:09] exactly what you have been

[1:00:10] doing, knocking on doors,

[1:00:12] talking to neighbors,

[1:00:13] understanding can our priorities

[1:00:15] and getting that kind of input

[1:00:16] so I really need to hear your

[1:00:19] feedback on those priorities, if

[1:00:21] there is something in there that

[1:00:23] you strongly free or disagree

[1:00:25] with, but we will get into the

[1:00:27] discussion now and start with

[1:00:28] councilmember pelaez.

[1:00:32] >> Pelaez: thank you. Can you

[1:00:33] hear me?

[1:00:34] Oh, yes.

[1:00:36] So jeff, excellent presentation.

[1:00:39] I am not surprised.

[1:00:40] I don't think anybody in this

[1:00:41] room is surprised.

[1:00:44] What always disappoints is the

[1:00:45] small number of respondent to

[1:00:48] these things and you know, 0

[1:00:49] COUNCILWOMAN Sandoval value has

[1:00:50] been working hard over to the

[1:00:52] past four years to help us

[1:00:53] figure out a way to increase

[1:00:53] this.

[1:00:56] And I think.. We need to

[1:01:00] continue to work really hard and

[1:01:02] pull every lever to make sure we

[1:01:04] get responses from young san

[1:01:07] antonio wraps you know, the

[1:01:09] other thing is, mayor, at this

[1:01:12] totally agree with COUNCILMAN

[1:01:14] Courage and you, this is

[1:01:15] supposed to a moral document but

[1:01:17] I will remind everybody I think

[1:01:19] last week, the week before last

[1:01:21] another woman in my district got

[1:01:23] murdered in front of her

[1:01:24] children and so, you know, just

[1:01:29] setting the tone here, for me,

[1:01:32] if we don't throw all of our

[1:01:34] weight behind domestic violence

[1:01:36] once and all this is an immoral

[1:01:38] document in any opinion, so I

[1:01:42] really want it to be a document

[1:01:44] that you know, puts lives ahead

[1:01:46] of other things.

[1:01:49] And so to that end, I saw the

[1:01:51] alamo promise funding proposal

[1:01:52] up there.

[1:01:57] I love it, but this week we saw

[1:02:01] governor veto hb, I think 1109,

[1:02:02] which would have man dayed all

[1:02:05] schools in texas to provide

[1:02:07] robust training on domestic

[1:02:09] violence, family violence,

[1:02:12] dating violence and child abuse.

[1:02:14] He doesn't think that is very

[1:02:17] important.

[1:02:17] So I think that we can condition

[1:02:19] -- I would like to explore as

[1:02:21] conditioning funding for alamo

[1:02:23] promise, on the promise that

[1:02:24] schools provide that training

[1:02:26] that the governor would rather

[1:02:27] us not provide.

[1:02:29] Which I think would result in

[1:02:31] lives that wouldn't cost us any

[1:02:33] money and a it could be part of

[1:02:36] you know, the plan that we bake

[1:02:38] -- this domestic violence

[1:02:40] initiative that we could bake

[1:02:42] into the alamo promise, and it

[1:02:44] is a start, along with possibly

[1:02:45] punned -- you know, possibly

[1:02:46] requiring that kind of training

[1:02:47] for any other money that we

[1:02:49] provide to school district or

[1:02:50] think other kind of supervisor

[1:02:51] other we give them.

[1:02:52] Those are my comment for now.

[1:02:55] Thank you.

[1:02:58] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you.

[1:03:00] Councilmember pelaez.

[1:03:00] Councilmember viagran.

[1:03:02] >> Viagran: ben, can you come

[1:03:06] up on slide 22 about the local

[1:03:11] -- [Indiscernible] -- ..

[1:03:12] >> yes, ma'am.

[1:03:13] >> Viagran: when we look at

[1:03:15] that, because I think it would

[1:03:17] be some relief to possibly

[1:03:21] increase that, but I see saisd.

[1:03:23] Is there any way we can get it

[1:03:26] with the school districts in

[1:03:28] district 3?

[1:03:30] Because I know harlandale is one

[1:03:32] of -- their tax rate is higher

[1:03:33] than that.

[1:03:33] So --

[1:03:34] >> yes, ma'am.

[1:03:35] We can -- I think we asked that

[1:03:36] information before.

[1:03:38] We can pull that pretty easily

[1:03:38] and get that to you.

[1:03:40] >> Viagran: and south side and

[1:03:41] east central also.

[1:03:43] The other thing is, I know when

[1:03:46] we do these -- when we do these

[1:03:48] exemptions, it does impact other

[1:03:50] agency as, including the school

[1:03:51] district.

[1:03:52] So what I don't want to see from

[1:03:55] my district is we do a possible

[1:03:57] increase and then the school

[1:03:59] district has to raise taxes in

[1:04:00] their next bond.

[1:04:02] So if we could get that

[1:04:03] information.

[1:04:04] >> sure.

[1:04:05] And if I can claire guy one

[1:04:05] point there.

[1:04:06] So I think what we will do is

[1:04:07] bull the information for all of

[1:04:08] those school districts and we

[1:04:10] will send that to you so you

[1:04:10] have that.

[1:04:12] So when we adopt an exemption,

[1:04:15] it stays, it only affects us and

[1:04:16] our taxes.

[1:04:18] The same would be true of the

[1:04:18] school district.

[1:04:18] >> Viagran: okay.

[1:04:19] All right.

[1:04:21] If you could send that, thank

[1:04:21] you.

[1:04:22] >> yes, ma'am.

[1:04:23] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[1:04:25] councilmember viagran.

[1:04:27] Councilmember sandoval.

[1:04:28] >> Sandoval: thank you, mayor.

[1:04:33] I will start with the sa speak

[1:04:35] up survey.. Thanks for the

[1:04:37] shout out, councilmember pelaez,

[1:04:40] just to add on to that, my

[1:04:42] efforts over the past year, when

[1:04:44] it comes to public participation

[1:04:46] .. Isn't just about increasing

[1:04:48] the number of people who

[1:04:50] interact with the city but

[1:04:52] improving the quality of how

[1:04:54] they interact with the city and

[1:04:56] ensuring that we have the tools

[1:04:58] to listen to them and the many

[1:05:00] ways they talk to us.

[1:05:01] They don't only talk to us when

[1:05:03] they fill out this survey.

[1:05:06] In fact, I think survey is very

[1:05:06] limiting, right?

[1:05:08] It is in terms of the type of

[1:05:11] nuanced feed pack we can get

[1:05:12] back.

[1:05:16] So what I had brought up during

[1:05:18] our trial budget discussion

[1:05:21] [Indiscernible] To explore that

[1:05:22] option is listening to what

[1:05:25] comes in through 311, listening

[1:05:28] to what comes in through our a 0

[1:05:28] council offices.

[1:05:31] Every person around this table

[1:05:35] has a set of you know, 2,000,

[1:05:36] 4,000, depending how long you

[1:05:38] have been here cases that they

[1:05:39] have worked on with members of

[1:05:42] their community, cases that are

[1:05:44] very important to those people,

[1:05:47] and they ask us you know,

[1:05:49] policy, operational, for

[1:05:50] operational direction, and we

[1:05:53] come here and we give that to

[1:05:55] you and that drives the budget

[1:05:57] asks that we make, but I think

[1:06:02] it would also be behoove us to

[1:06:04] sit down with city staff to

[1:06:06] review those type of constituent

[1:06:08] kay kiss and inquiries we get at

[1:06:11] each of the counsel offices.

[1:06:12] Secondly, thank you, invest, so

[1:06:16] much for breaking this down by

[1:06:18] tabs and the cross tabs you have

[1:06:19] done.

[1:06:21] I think that is giving us more

[1:06:22] information than we would have

[1:06:23] otherwise, but I do agree with

[1:06:26] the mayor we want to be cautious

[1:06:29] about how we interpret this.

[1:06:31] Foyer one think it might be

[1:06:34] confusing to fill out a survey

[1:06:37] that says you know, cut --

[1:06:39] streets, economic development

[1:06:39] planning, and I think we know

[1:06:43] what that means and members of

[1:06:44] the public MAY have different

[1:06:45] concepts.

[1:06:45] I am not saying they are wrong

[1:06:47] at all.

[1:06:48] I think economic development is

[1:06:49] a very broad term.

[1:06:52] It it is refers to ready to

[1:06:54] work, to you know, our jobs

[1:06:56] training program.

[1:06:57] So I think we just want to be

[1:06:59] careful about how we use that,

[1:07:01] because my first thought was, we

[1:07:03] MAY have cut the budget but we

[1:07:05] sure put a lot of money into

[1:07:06] economic development if we talk

[1:07:08] about workforce training so it

[1:07:11] almost seems like, like a

[1:07:12] dissonance here, to put it on

[1:07:15] this list.

[1:07:18] And then lastly, ben, thank you

[1:07:22] so much for that very careful

[1:07:27] analysis of the property tax --

[1:07:30] and how they are affected by our

[1:07:33] different programs and proposing

[1:07:36] to reach out to residents to

[1:07:37] sign them power play their

[1:07:40] homestead exemption.

[1:07:42] Are you saying we are going put

[1:07:43] that in the budget or there is

[1:07:44] going to be a program for 0

[1:07:44] that?

[1:07:47] I think it is a great idea.

[1:07:48] >> yes, ma'am.

[1:07:49] I think that is our plan is we

[1:07:52] are going develop a program with

[1:07:54] the budget working with our

[1:07:57] housing departments to really do

[1:07:57] that outreach.

[1:07:58] I know that the letters are

[1:07:59] being sent.

[1:08:00] I don't know that that is maybe

[1:08:03] the most effective way to reach

[1:08:04] some of the residents so we

[1:08:07] really want to do more analysis

[1:08:08] within each of your districts

[1:08:10] and pull a plan together and

[1:08:11] would like to visit with you all

[1:08:13] more about that plan and get

[1:08:14] your terms in how to reach out

[1:08:15] to some of the residents so that

[1:08:17] will be part of the plan going

[1:08:18] forward, yes, ma'am.

[1:08:19] >> Sandoval: thank you.

[1:08:24] >> COUNCILWOMAN, if the public

[1:08:26] is getting a bexar county

[1:08:27] appraisal district envelope that

[1:08:29] MAY not be the best way to

[1:08:30] communicate.

[1:08:31] I think what ben is talking

[1:08:31] about.

[1:08:32] The I would remind the council

[1:08:34] that pre-pandemic this was an

[1:08:36] issue that the council talk

[1:08:37] about that I think in 2019 we

[1:08:39] started to make inroads on.

[1:08:42] We got away from that last year,

[1:08:44] and I think some of the

[1:08:45] conversation that was brought up

[1:08:50] last week at b session, remind

[1:08:52] reminded, get back into the

[1:08:53] survey, how are we getting that

[1:08:54] information to the public?

[1:08:56] there needs to be a better way

[1:08:58] to do that than maybe an

[1:09:00] appraisal district envelope.

[1:09:01] >> Sandoval: agreed.

[1:09:03] Because that is how you sign up

[1:09:05] to protest your property taxes

[1:09:06] and not everybody does that as

[1:09:07] well.

[1:09:08] Good point, different

[1:09:08] messengers.

[1:09:11] And lastly, maybe this is

[1:09:12] something we can discuss later,

[1:09:14] but you talked about the

[1:09:17] different relief we already

[1:09:19] provide through the different

[1:09:20] exemptions, and at some point in

[1:09:22] this whole budget development

[1:09:23] process you guys come back with

[1:09:27] numbers about how much money is

[1:09:29] being saved to the taxpayers

[1:09:31] through this -- could you also

[1:09:34] bring back to us sort of the

[1:09:38] money being set aside -- is that

[1:09:38] my rippinger for five minutes?

[1:09:41] Thank you, tina.

[1:09:45] For each of our different turs

[1:09:47] zones, the money not sitting in

[1:09:49] the general revenue fun but the

[1:09:50] different pots?

[1:09:50] >> yes.

[1:09:52] We can provide a report on that

[1:09:54] as well.

[1:09:55] >> Sandoval: thank you a.

[1:09:57] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[1:09:59] councilmember sandoval o

[1:10:00] councilmember courage.

[1:10:02] >> Courage:, thank you on the

[1:10:04] speak out sa survey, I think

[1:10:05] something was missing and I

[1:10:07] think that is asking the people

[1:10:09] who responded, what are your

[1:10:10] needs?

[1:10:13] I mean, we gave them choices but

[1:10:14] we didn't really ask them, what

[1:10:16] do you need or what does your

[1:10:17] neighborhood need?

[1:10:18] And I think that has a great

[1:10:22] value to us as we look forward,

[1:10:24] because we are already siloing a

[1:10:27] lot of money and -- in a lot of

[1:10:28] areas and we are assuming that

[1:10:29] these are the major areas, but

[1:10:31] there could be some others that

[1:10:33] we don't identify because we are

[1:10:34] not asking the community, what

[1:10:35] do you need.

[1:10:36] >> Mayor Nirenberg:.

[1:10:37] >> we are saying what do you

[1:10:39] like out of our choices?

[1:10:40] So I would just like to

[1:10:41] recommend that somehow going

[1:10:43] forward and in the future.

[1:10:48] I noticed on the trial budget

[1:10:50] information, we have listed a

[1:10:57] pool of compensation of

[1:11:01] three percent.. And does that

[1:11:02] include, you know, total pay

[1:11:02] raises?

[1:11:05] Does that include index for

[1:11:05] inflation?

[1:11:11] Does that include the pay we

[1:11:13] give for performance bonuses?

[1:11:15] Is all of that thrown into that

[1:11:19] three percent or is that just

[1:11:21] basic salary, not including

[1:11:23] performance bonuses or not

[1:11:25] including cost of living?

[1:11:27] Because it is not a very big

[1:11:28] amount considering we didn't

[1:11:29] give anything last year.

[1:11:30] So I would like to know the

[1:11:32] thinking behind that

[1:11:33] approximately at three percent.

[1:11:34] >> okay.

[1:11:35] Thank you, COUNCILMAN.

[1:11:39] So the trial budget only set

[1:11:41] aside the value of three percent

[1:11:44] of every civilian, and as we go

[1:11:47] through the JULY, we will the

[1:11:48] include within the proposed

[1:11:51] budget how that looks, and so

[1:11:54] how that looks, has looked in

[1:11:55] past years is that for

[1:11:57] professionals and managers, the

[1:11:59] it is equivalent of a

[1:12:01] three percent pool set aside for

[1:12:04] performance a and then those in

[1:12:07] our other 4,500 employees,

[1:12:10] three percent across the board

[1:12:11] wage increase.

[1:12:12] so that we are talking about the

[1:12:15] same pot of money.

[1:12:17] If anything, what I am thinking

[1:12:18] is it needs to be across the

[1:12:22] board and not a cola, and we

[1:12:23] will work through those details.

[1:12:26] But the value of that money is

[1:12:29] .. Three percent of every

[1:12:32] civilian's salary.

[1:12:33] >> Courage: yes that appears

[1:12:35] to be too small.

[1:12:36] You saying nothing last year,

[1:12:37] this year three percent.

[1:12:38] So over the last two years

[1:12:40] people have gotten a one and a

[1:12:43] half percent increase in their

[1:12:45] pay, and it

[1:12:47] -- it isn't including

[1:12:50] performance for high performing,

[1:12:52] which I don't often think is

[1:12:53] something that we have to put

[1:12:55] out there, but I think there is

[1:12:57] some kind of a value to that in

[1:12:59] some situations.

[1:13:01] And then, you know, you are

[1:13:01] saying cost of living is

[1:13:04] included in there, and so,

[1:13:06] really, you are not getting any

[1:13:07] kind of a pay increase when you

[1:13:08] talk about the cost of living

[1:13:09] that people have been paying for

[1:13:11] two years.

[1:13:13] So I am going to want to

[1:13:14] to have a

[1:13:16] lot more conversation about that

[1:13:18] amount as far as compensation

[1:13:20] goes for our employees.

[1:13:22] The last thing I wanted to talk

[1:13:25] about was going back to taxes

[1:13:28] and tax relief.

[1:13:32] Ben, you provided a very good

[1:13:35] synopsis of what it would take

[1:13:37] if it was recommended from this

[1:13:39] council that we would increase

[1:13:40] that homestead exemption,

[1:13:42] whether we increased it to

[1:13:44] one percent, two percent,

[1:13:46] three percent, four percent or

[1:13:47] five percent.

[1:13:48] Have you distributed that to all

[1:13:49] of the councilmembers?

[1:13:51] >>, no I have not.

[1:13:53] >> Courage: do you have it you

[1:13:54] could put up on the screen do

[1:13:54] show?

[1:13:55] >> yes, sir, I do.

[1:13:57] >> Courage: I think it would

[1:13:59] be good for everybody to see

[1:14:01] that, so that we have an

[1:14:04] indication of what the options

[1:14:07] are if we are going to provide

[1:14:10] any tax relief for working

[1:14:10] families in the city.

[1:14:16] And that is really

[1:14:18] and that's what we're really

[1:14:18] talking about.

[1:14:20] Yes, 45% of our tax base is

[1:14:22] frozen because of people with

[1:14:23] disabilities, or people who are

[1:14:25] over 65.

[1:14:27] The other 55 of those people are

[1:14:29] working families.

[1:14:34] And they are seeing the values

[1:14:45] of [Lapse in audio].

[1:14:46] --- estimate for this year's

[1:14:49] budget, and help replace lost

[1:14:49] revenue.

[1:14:52] And the likelihood that there

[1:14:54] will be other avenues that we

[1:14:56] could pursue with some of that

[1:14:57] federal money.

[1:14:59] I'd like to see us, as a

[1:15:01] council, look at those kinds of

[1:15:03] numbers and understand that

[1:15:08] there's a possibility that for

[1:15:11] 7, $8 million of our budget, we

[1:15:13] could increase the tax relief

[1:15:14] that we need.

[1:15:15] So I'd ask you to present that

[1:15:19] as part of this presentation.

[1:15:19] >> sure.

[1:15:23] Happy to do that.

[1:15:29] We've got slides that I can go

[1:15:31] through as well.

[1:15:33] I'll start with this one.

[1:15:35] The slide that we talked about.

[1:15:38] So let me explain this a little

[1:15:38] bit.

[1:15:40] This is kind of giving you a

[1:15:42] snapshot of what our current

[1:15:43] exemption looks like, and then

[1:15:45] if you were to increase it.

[1:15:48] So on the far left, we've given

[1:15:50] you some examples of a homestead

[1:15:54] value ranging from 100,000 to

[1:15:54] 600,000.

[1:15:56] It's showing you the total

[1:15:57] taxes, not just the city's

[1:15:59] portion of that, but the total

[1:16:02] tax bill on those homes.

[1:16:04] It shows you the city's tax bill

[1:16:05] next to that.

[1:16:07] And then as I mentioned before,

[1:16:09] when the council adopted the

[1:16:11] homestead exemption, we had to

[1:16:12] adopt a personal.

[1:16:15] But we did.01%.

[1:16:16] It was intentional to trigger

[1:16:19] the minimum $5,000 that's

[1:16:22] allowed under state law.

[1:16:24] So you can see currently,

[1:16:25] regardless of whether we're

[1:16:28] talking about $100,000 home or

[1:16:31] $600,000 home, [Lapse in audio]

[1:16:32] Taxable value exemption, that

[1:16:35] results in $28 a year in

[1:16:37] property tax savings.

[1:16:38] Now, I'm going to switch to the

[1:16:41] right side, and talk a little

[1:16:43] bit about the incremental

[1:16:46] impact, if we were to move

[1:16:46] towards increasing that

[1:16:47] exemption.

[1:16:49] So I'm going to try to do this

[1:16:49] quickly.

[1:16:52] If you look at the 1% column,

[1:16:56] you see zeros all the way down,

[1:16:59] with the exception of a [Lapse

[1:16:59] in audio] Home.

[1:17:03] Why is that, because 1% of those

[1:17:06] values, less than $500,000, is

[1:17:08] less than a $500 exemption.

[1:17:10] So they're not going to get

[1:17:12] additional property tax savings.

[1:17:14] The only homes that would get it

[1:17:16] have a taxable value greater

[1:17:21] than 500,000.

[1:17:22] [Lapse in audio] $95,000 to the

[1:17:22] city.

[1:17:23] I'm going to flip all the way to

[1:17:27] the far right.

[1:17:28] Again, under state law, you can

[1:17:30] go up to 20% is the total that's

[1:17:32] allowed.

[1:17:35] We're just giving a range here

[1:17:37] of 1 to 5.

[1:17:39] [Lapse in audio] You can see the

[1:17:42] cost to the city on the bottom.

[1:17:44] [Lapse in audio] You see the

[1:17:45] $100,000 value I have listed

[1:17:46] there.

[1:17:48] There's no incremental savings

[1:17:54] to the homeowner, because

[1:18:00] (Indiscernible) Is still $5,000.

[1:18:01] So there would be no additional

[1:18:03] property tax savings there.

[1:18:05] You see $200,000, they would go

[1:18:07] from the current $28 that they

[1:18:10] get a year, they would get an

[1:18:12] additional (Indiscernible) In

[1:18:13] property tax savings.

[1:18:16] And to the $600,000 home, you

[1:18:22] get $139 in savings.

[1:18:26] And again, based on the 5% of a

[1:18:31] $600,000 home, is [Lapse in

[1:18:33] audio] Incremental impact.

[1:18:35] I'll point out with the 139,

[1:18:38] just keep that in context, that

[1:18:41] homeowner at 600,000 is probably

[1:18:42] paying somewhere around

[1:18:43] (Indiscernible) In property

[1:18:45] taxes.

[1:18:48] To generate that savings, that

[1:18:49] incremental savings I've got

[1:18:54] listed there, the impact is $7.3

[1:18:54] million to the city.

[1:18:58] That would be $.5 million in the

[1:18:58] general fund.

[1:19:01] Let me stop for a second.

[1:19:03] For the new councilmembers, when

[1:19:04] we adopted our tax rate, when we

[1:19:06] come to you in the budget

[1:19:12] process, we actually ask you

[1:19:18] [Lapse in audio] One's called

[1:19:18] mamt

[1:19:21] maintenance tax for the basic

[1:19:21] services.

[1:19:22] The second one supports our bond

[1:19:25] capacity.

[1:19:27] So in this example, the general

[1:19:29] fund impact would be about $.5

[1:19:31] million in lost revenue.

[1:19:34] The increment lost to the debt

[1:19:36] service fund is $2.8 million in

[1:19:38] revenue, but on that side we use

[1:19:40] the revenue to generate bond

[1:19:41] capacity.

[1:19:43] If you take the (Indiscernible)

[1:19:45] And I look at the interest of

[1:19:46] the environment we're in now, I

[1:19:48] expect it to be for the next

[1:19:49] several years, that probably

[1:19:52] leverages in the neighborhood of

[1:19:53] 45 to $50 million in debt

[1:19:57] capacity, or project capacity.

[1:19:59] I have other slides that have

[1:20:00] other stats that I can go

[1:20:02] through, or we can stop there at

[1:20:02] this point.

[1:20:05] But this kind of summarizes the

[1:20:07] impact in terms if we were to

[1:20:09] increase the exemption.

[1:20:10] >> Courage: thank you, ben.

[1:20:12] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[1:20:13] councilmember courage.

[1:20:15] Just so I'm clear on that bottom

[1:20:18] line, that homestead value,

[1:20:23] total tax bill is roughly

[1:20:27] $16,517 with 5% exemption on the

[1:20:27] homestead.

[1:20:30] The homeowner would [Lapse in

[1:20:33] audio] In relief.

[1:20:34] >> yes.

[1:20:37] Actually, off the city tax bill,

[1:20:40] the taxable bill is 16,500.

[1:20:40] >> Mayor Nirenberg: that's less

[1:20:41] than 1% off their total tax

[1:20:42] bill.

[1:20:43] >> yes.

[1:20:46] >> Mayor Nirenberg: okay.

[1:20:51] Councilmember rocha garcia.

[1:20:52] >> Rocha Garcia: thank you,

[1:20:52] mayor.

[1:20:54] And thank you, ben.

[1:20:57] Since you have it up, we met

[1:20:58] yesterday and I asked you if you

[1:21:01] had the average of value of

[1:21:02] homestead (Indiscernible) In my

[1:21:02] district.

[1:21:03] I was trying to figure out how

[1:21:05] many of my residents would be

[1:21:09] able to benefit if we went to a

[1:21:09] 5%.

[1:21:12] >> I do.

[1:21:23] [Lapse in audio]

[1:21:25] [Lost audio].

[1:21:28] >> real quick, comparison to

[1:21:30] other texas cities, because that

[1:21:34] has come up often, I shared this

[1:21:36] slide with COUNCILMAN Courage.

[1:21:38] You'll note that houston, austin

[1:21:43] and dallas have higher [Lapse in

[1:21:45] audio]

[1:21:46] Audio].

[1:21:48] If you look to the far right,

[1:21:50] one big difference between those

[1:21:52] cities, I mentioned the senior

[1:21:53] tax increase.

[1:21:53] They do not.

[1:21:57] So that means that all the

[1:21:58] homesteads in those cities

[1:21:59] increased every year.

[1:22:01] 45% of ours, that slide I showed

[1:22:05] you before, once you hit 65, the

[1:22:07] tax bill stops growing.

[1:22:10] It's locked in

[1:22:16] things, also, the tax rate.

[1:22:21] The average homestead -- you can

[1:22:24] see austin at $400,000.

[1:22:24] That's the average homestead in

[1:22:28] austin.

[1:22:29] I just wanted to give you a

[1:22:31] little bit of context as you

[1:22:33] look at and compare us to other

[1:22:34] cities, that it's kind of

[1:22:35] important to look at all of

[1:22:37] those elements.

[1:22:40] I think the senior tax freeze is

[1:22:41] certainly a great option that we

[1:22:42] offer here, when you turn age

[1:22:46] 65.

[1:22:48] You asked about market value,

[1:22:54] and we were able to pull taxable

[1:22:58] value.

[1:22:59] [Lapse in audio] In each of your

[1:23:00] districts.

[1:23:03] I hope that can lead to also

[1:23:06] options for us to pursue in the

[1:23:07] next legislative session.

[1:23:09] Because we really need

[1:23:10] additional options and tools

[1:23:12] that allow us to be more

[1:23:13] strategic, how we address

[1:23:15] property tax relief.

[1:23:16] It is very different when you

[1:23:17] look across the city.

[1:23:19] You see that here.

[1:23:23] You see a pretty big range in

[1:23:27] value here from the market value

[1:23:29] [Lapse in audio] $88,000 in

[1:23:31] district 5, out to a high of

[1:23:37] almost 322,000 in district 9.

[1:23:38] The difference between the

[1:23:41] marketable and taxable value is

[1:23:42] exemptions.

[1:23:45] Over 65, those freezes come into

[1:23:47] play.

[1:23:48] Average taxable [Lapse in audio]

[1:23:55] Up to about 267,000 in d-9.

[1:23:57] This is just, really quickly,

[1:24:00] just looking at different

[1:24:03] homestead values, less than

[1:24:04] 100,000.

[1:24:08] 100,000 to 200,000, and it goes

[1:24:09] on down.

[1:24:13] Of the homesteads in the bexar

[1:24:15] appraisal district, it was about

[1:24:18] 85% of our homesteads have a

[1:24:23] value of less than $300,000.

[1:24:24] If you look across the city.

[1:24:25] I just went over this slide.

[1:24:27] And I had one other one, just to

[1:24:29] try to help a little bit with

[1:24:32] the previous -- with this slide,

[1:24:34] sort of why is there not an

[1:24:37] impact at the $100,000 level.

[1:24:38] It's this.

[1:24:40] Bars on the left there, again,

[1:24:42] 100,000 to 600,000.

[1:24:44] We currently have in place

[1:24:46] the.01 exemption.

[1:24:50] Because it's less than $5,000,

[1:24:52] it triggers minimum under state

[1:24:52] law.

[1:24:54] It doesn't matter what the value

[1:24:55] of the home is.

[1:24:56] It's $5,000.

[1:24:59] When we move to 5% exemption,

[1:25:01] it's 5% of the home value.

[1:25:03] 5% of 100,000 is still 5,000,

[1:25:06] that's why they're not getting

[1:25:07] any additional property tax

[1:25:07] relief.

[1:25:08] The higher the value of the

[1:25:11] home, the bigger the exemption.

[1:25:13] The $600,000 home in this case

[1:25:16] would be $30,000 taxable

[1:25:17] exemption.

[1:25:18] It's based on that percentage.

[1:25:20] Again, this is one of the

[1:25:22] reasons we were trying to give

[1:25:24] the ability to offer a fixed

[1:25:25] dollar amount exemption.

[1:25:28] We've not been able to get that

[1:25:30] passed at the legislature yet.

[1:25:32] >> Rocha Garcia: thank you, ben.

[1:25:35] I think [Lapse in audio] I think

[1:25:36] that's the only way we're going

[1:25:40] to make it meaningful.

[1:25:42] Somebody pointed out earlier

[1:25:44] that they don't read the

[1:25:47] envelopes from the bexar county

[1:25:48] appraisal district.

[1:25:48] And we do.

[1:25:49] It works for some people.

[1:25:51] For some it doesn't.

[1:25:55] I want to tell you, and I shared

[1:25:55] this with ben, but I had a

[1:25:59] meeting with troy elliott and

[1:26:01] the folks, I think on monday,

[1:26:03] and they came in with boxes and

[1:26:05] binders for me and the tax code.

[1:26:06] It was really interesting,

[1:26:09] because they said no

[1:26:10] councilmember in 18 years had

[1:26:11] asked for a meeting with them.

[1:26:13] So I think before we make any

[1:26:14] decisions, we should probably

[1:26:16] make sure that they come in and

[1:26:18] they talk to us.

[1:26:21] And maybe I would offer that you

[1:26:23] meet [Lapse in audio] I went

[1:26:24] through their proposed budget

[1:26:28] for 2022, and I had lots of

[1:26:30] questions, and (Indiscernible)

[1:26:31] Can attest that he answered

[1:26:35] every one of my questions.

[1:26:37] I was very impressed [Lapse in

[1:26:40] audio] With the folks.

[1:26:42] I'd be afraid of, if we don't

[1:26:48] have all of the information for

[1:26:48] this.

[1:26:49] Also be cautious about what it

[1:26:50] does in regards to social

[1:26:50] services.

[1:26:53] Because we saw out there, for

[1:26:55] instance [Lapse in audio]

[1:26:59] Benefit at all from be ing

[1:27:01] ing [Lapse

[1:27:02] in audio].

[1:27:04] I know we don't have enough time

[1:27:06] to discuss this today probably.

[1:27:06] But this is huge.

[1:27:08] I think we need to consider all

[1:27:10] of the options.

[1:27:13] I'll get off my soapbox on that,

[1:27:15] ben, because I think I've done

[1:27:15] that.

[1:27:16] The other questions I had.

[1:27:20] One was specifically for an --

[1:27:21] COUNCILMAN Courage brought this

[1:27:23] up, so thank you for that.

[1:27:25] Partially restore the civilian

[1:27:25] freeze.

[1:27:29] Can you remind me who is

[1:27:30] included in the partially

[1:27:45] restored employees?

[1:27:45] >> thank you.

[1:27:48] The hiring freeze for fiscal

[1:27:50] year 2021 included all civilian

[1:27:52] employees in the general fund.

[1:27:54] So that includes our police and

[1:27:59] fire, also our 911 call centers,

[1:28:02] municipal court employees, 311

[1:28:04] call takers as well.

[1:28:06] So everybody else in the office,

[1:28:09] finance, parks, are part of that

[1:28:15] hiring freeze.

[1:28:18] We always have attrition, so we

[1:28:19] feel comfortable it partially

[1:28:22] allows us to provide the

[1:28:24] services to our community and

[1:28:26] also be financially responsible

[1:28:26] for 2022.

[1:28:27] >> Rocha Garcia: thank you for

[1:28:35] that.

[1:28:42] [Lapse in audio].

[1:28:45] >> potentially, yes.

[1:28:47] >> Rocha Garcia: okay, got it.

[1:28:50] On the d-4 stats, oh, actually,

[1:28:51] ben, you presented that, so

[1:28:54] we're good.

[1:28:57] On the council district

[1:28:58] feedback, district 4 has the

[1:29:01] least participation, 3.6%.

[1:29:03] [Lapse in audio] On figuring out

[1:29:06] how to increase that, I would be

[1:29:06] happy to block off whatever you

[1:29:07] want me to do.

[1:29:09] And also to the mayor's point,

[1:29:11] and I asked two years ago when I

[1:29:12] got here, and I was new to this,

[1:29:15] and I teach marketing research.

[1:29:19] So I asked about just making

[1:29:22] sure [Lapse in audio] And what

[1:29:24] kind of statistical analysis

[1:29:25] goes into this.

[1:29:28] Like, how do we make sure we are

[1:29:31] representative -- that we have a

[1:29:32] representative sample of the

[1:29:33] entire population.

[1:29:36] While I appreciate the effort,

[1:29:38] [Lapse in audio] By block

[1:29:40] walking, we don't have access to

[1:29:41] all these communities.

[1:29:44] Maybe people work during the

[1:29:45] day.

[1:29:47] So I would be very cautious as

[1:29:47] to that.

[1:29:50] I would like to continue that

[1:29:57] conversation and maybe like sa

[1:29:58] 2020 engaged so many folks.

[1:30:00] Maybe we can figure out how to

[1:30:02] learn what they did in their

[1:30:03] process.

[1:30:04] And increasing that number of

[1:30:08] the ethnic participation [Lapse

[1:30:12] in audio] And if we do

[1:30:13] door-to-door strategy, people

[1:30:16] are going to be working again.

[1:30:18] So those are my comments.

[1:30:18] Thank you.

[1:30:20] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[1:30:26] councilmember rocha garcia.

[1:30:31] Councilmember cabello havrda.

[1:30:32] >> Cabello Havrda: thank you.

[1:30:35] With the retrievable fee, we

[1:30:37] talked about the benefit really

[1:30:40] to the community outweighed the

[1:30:42] cost, the $200,000 cost to the

[1:30:44] city, reminding us that these

[1:30:47] are people who are arrested, not

[1:30:47] convicted.

[1:30:49] And I want to quickly -- I did

[1:30:53] the ccr in JANUARY of this year

[1:30:53] [Lapse in audio] Rocha garcia

[1:30:57] for signing that on.

[1:30:58] And I'm glad we're talking about

[1:31:02] it now.

[1:31:13] The property [Lapse in audio] A

[1:31:25] reminder that they have been

[1:31:25] arrested, they have not been

[1:31:25] convicted.

[1:31:26] Coming up to the $25 could be a

[1:31:26] barrier for them to get to work.

[1:31:26] Of course, that's going to have

[1:31:26] an economic impact on our city

[1:31:27] if they can't get to work.

[1:31:30] So I think that the $200,000

[1:31:35] cost to the city is heavily

[1:31:36] outweighed by [Lapse in audio]

[1:31:36] Our communities.

[1:31:38] To the homestead exemption,

[1:31:40] because I really -- I supported

[1:31:43] it a couple of years ago when we

[1:31:44] initiated it, and I still

[1:31:45] believe it was the right thing

[1:31:46] to do.

[1:31:48] I think it was necessary to

[1:31:49] [Lapse in audio].

[1:31:51] Seeing ben's numbers are

[1:31:51] sobering.

[1:31:53] The first three clumsy think

[1:31:55] were 100, 200, 300.

[1:31:57] I would say that's where my

[1:31:59] district falls in that, and it's

[1:32:01] not much of an increase.

[1:32:03] The mayor opened our meeting

[1:32:07] today noting that [Lapse in

[1:32:11] audio] And seeing those, the

[1:32:12] surveys, results in my district,

[1:32:15] they want to see an increase in

[1:32:17] senior services and public

[1:32:18] health.

[1:32:21] So I'm having a problem seeing

[1:32:25] an increase in the exemption,

[1:32:27] what my district has said they

[1:32:30] want to see.

[1:32:32] I do have a question about the

[1:32:34] wage increase.

[1:32:38] i think it was slide 7 or 8.

[1:32:41] Regarding our compensation

[1:32:42] increase.

[1:32:48] Is that a wage increase?

[1:32:51] >> yes, that's the value of what

[1:32:53] we've set aside within the

[1:32:54] budget, yes.

[1:32:55] >> Cabello Havrda: it's not a

[1:32:56] one-time increase?

[1:32:58] >> no, ma'am.

[1:33:01] We built that through our

[1:33:02] five-year financial forecast.

[1:33:03] >> Cabello Havrda: thank you.

[1:33:06] And lastly, the survey, I would

[1:33:12] ask if we can ask people if they

[1:33:15] have an impairment that renders

[1:33:16] them [Lapse in audio].

[1:33:19] I like the demographic you have.

[1:33:20] If we could add a question,

[1:33:22] whether they want to report that

[1:33:23] they are a disabled person.

[1:33:25] >> that's a great suggestion,

[1:33:25] COUNCILWOMAN.

[1:33:28] We'll do that, and we'll take

[1:33:30] note, COUNCILMAN Courage, of

[1:33:32] what you need.

[1:33:34] The survey does have an

[1:33:36] open-ended option for those

[1:33:38] questions, but we got almost

[1:33:39] 4,000 comments that we'll

[1:33:40] provide to you as we move

[1:33:41] forward in the process.

[1:33:42] But thank you for that.

[1:33:44] >> Cabello Havrda: thank you.

[1:33:46] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[1:33:48] councilmember cabello havrda.

[1:33:51] Councilmember rodriguez.

[1:33:54] >> I want to start by saying

[1:33:56] that based on these results, I'm

[1:34:02] a little disheartened by the

[1:34:04] results given, district 2 only

[1:34:06] had 6% of the results.

[1:34:08] So now I feel the onus is going

[1:34:11] to be on me.

[1:34:14] You know, to really examine what

[1:34:15] region of the city is, how much

[1:34:17] my district is being reached.

[1:34:19] I would also like to know, is it

[1:34:21] possible to get information on

[1:34:25] which demographics were reached

[1:34:27] through each side of the

[1:34:30] outreach method?

[1:34:31] So, like an age breakdown by

[1:34:37] mailers, by the social media?

[1:34:39] >> I'm not sure if we can

[1:34:40] calculate that, because those

[1:34:42] were sort of outward pushes.

[1:34:46] I'm not sure we know the demo

[1:34:47] demographics

[1:34:47] demo

[1:34:49] demographics of the receiver and

[1:34:50] whatnot.

[1:34:51] We definitely want to work with

[1:34:51] you.

[1:34:53] I think part of the reason for

[1:34:55] the lower numbers, frankly, was

[1:34:58] transitioning council offices.

[1:35:00] Now that we're here, we want to

[1:35:01] get committed to do that.

[1:35:04] That's why erik directed us to

[1:35:06] keep the survey open longer and

[1:35:08] we'll follow it in short order.

[1:35:08] >> absolutely.

[1:35:10] I'm looking at the different

[1:35:13] methods of outreach.

[1:35:16] I might have missed it, but were

[1:35:17] text messages an outreach?

[1:35:18] >> no.

[1:35:20] It was not.

[1:35:22] And we were talking earlier that

[1:35:25] one of the tactics will bring up

[1:35:28] those other districts, is target

[1:35:30] a district with lower responses

[1:35:31] with more texts specifically so

[1:35:32] we could get the numbers higher

[1:35:33] there.

[1:35:36] We don't want to do that

[1:35:37] citywide and create the same

[1:35:39] difference in the demographics,

[1:35:41] we really need to refocus our

[1:35:42] efforts on the area to get more

[1:35:44] of a representative response.

[1:35:46] >> I really appreciate that.

[1:35:48] And then I want to echo

[1:35:50] COUNCILWOMAN Sandoval's

[1:35:51] sentiments about language.

[1:35:53] I want to talk about language.

[1:35:59] I don't mean english or spanish,

[1:36:03] but as it relates to the [Lapse

[1:36:03] in audio].

[1:36:05] i think we can't get accurate

[1:36:07] results if people have these

[1:36:09] limited -- this -- if there's

[1:36:12] room for interpretation.

[1:36:14] I will echo the sentments of

[1:36:16] cabello havrda in regards to the

[1:36:19] $25 feet for property retrieval.

[1:36:20] I don't think that $200,000 that

[1:36:24] we're getting in revenue is

[1:36:26] worth the impact it has on those

[1:36:27] individuals.

[1:36:29] I'd also like to echo the

[1:36:33] sentiments of conferred and

[1:36:35] COUNCILMAN Garcia, I want to be

[1:36:38] supportive of it, but looking at

[1:36:39] the impacts it will have in our

[1:36:42] social serviceses and our

[1:36:43] ability to provide for the

[1:36:46] working class people that it

[1:36:47] provides for.

[1:36:49] I don't think in good

[1:36:50] conscience, knowing that

[1:36:52] receiving this, I can be

[1:36:52] supportive.

[1:36:55] But I look forward to that

[1:36:55] conversation.

[1:36:57] Thank you.

[1:36:58] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[1:37:02] >> thank you, COUNCILMAN

[1:37:02] Rodriguez.

[1:37:03] COUNCILMAN Perry.

[1:37:07] >> Perry: thank you, ma'am.

[1:37:10] This was a lightning rod last

[1:37:13] time, when we approved it.

[1:37:14] Actually, it took three years to

[1:37:16] work towards a homestead

[1:37:18] exemption, to start one, at the

[1:37:19] lowest level.

[1:37:21] And here we are two years later

[1:37:25] after we started the first time,

[1:37:29] and, you know, it's a big

[1:37:31] discussion again.

[1:37:34] Let me start with saying, why

[1:37:35] wasn't property tax relief on

[1:37:36] the survey?

[1:37:40] As one of the options to pick?

[1:37:42] I mean, we knew we were going to

[1:37:43] be discussing it again this

[1:37:45] year.

[1:37:48] >> we asked about programs.

[1:37:50] it is an open-ended -- we do

[1:37:53] have open-ended comments on it.

[1:37:54] At one point in the process, I

[1:37:56] checked on this this week, when

[1:37:59] we had 2,500 open-ended

[1:38:00] responses, we had about 200

[1:38:02] comments related to property

[1:38:04] taxes one way or another.

[1:38:06] They do have that option in the

[1:38:07] open-ended part.

[1:38:12] It isn't a program per se.

[1:38:14] >> Perry: I would argue that

[1:38:16] part, because it really is a

[1:38:17] program, because it's a cost to

[1:38:19] the city, of the general fund.

[1:38:21] So I would say that it is a

[1:38:24] program that we need to identify

[1:38:27] separately on the survey.

[1:38:29] But again, there's always a hess

[1:38:32] tapsy, looking at that number of

[1:38:34] $7 million.

[1:38:37] But let me remind everybody that

[1:38:39] we've got a number since I've

[1:38:43] been on con sil

[1:38:44] uncil, we have a pilot

[1:38:48] program.

[1:38:51] Ben, do you have the slide that

[1:38:56] shows 20% impacts?

[1:38:58] There's always a hesitancy.

[1:39:00] But these other pilot programs,

[1:39:03] it seems like they flow through

[1:39:04] without any additional comments.

[1:39:08] I mean, we've approved

[1:39:10] increases -- I mean, we started

[1:39:12] this homeless hotel, over $3

[1:39:14] million a year, that I'm sure is

[1:39:16] going to turn into a permanent

[1:39:19] fixture here in san antonio.

[1:39:20] And that's 30 million bucks a

[1:39:25] year.

[1:39:28] The alamo promise, you can see

[1:39:30] that's doubled in one year.

[1:39:33] Project quest has gone up.

[1:39:35] All of these other programs,

[1:39:38] under one roof program, that has

[1:39:40] grown astronomically.

[1:39:43] But when it comes to homestead

[1:39:45] exemptions, where we can apply

[1:39:48] something that affects a broad

[1:39:51] range of homeowners that are

[1:39:52] struggling with that property

[1:39:55] tax increase every year, we're

[1:39:56] hesitant.

[1:39:57] We're hesitant about that.

[1:40:00] I'm not sure why.

[1:40:02] That all these other programs

[1:40:05] are great, but offering

[1:40:07] something that covers a much

[1:40:09] more broad base to san antonians

[1:40:12] that are homeowners, we have

[1:40:12] hesitancy.

[1:40:17] I'm disappointed about that.

[1:40:19] We'll discuss this a little bit

[1:40:19] more.

[1:40:22] But did you have that slide,

[1:40:22] ben?

[1:40:23] >> COUNCILMAN, I do not have the

[1:40:26] slide that shows what the 20%

[1:40:27] exemption would look like.

[1:40:28] >> Perry: yeah, I think we need

[1:40:30] to get those figures to see

[1:40:32] that, compared to the 5%.

[1:40:34] Because people are saying, it's

[1:40:35] not impacting my district.

[1:40:37] Well, heck, let's go to 20% like

[1:40:39] other cities and show what that

[1:40:39] impact is.

[1:40:43] Both in cost and the impact to

[1:40:43] homeowners.

[1:40:45] That's what I'd like to get up

[1:40:46] to, to match other cities here

[1:40:46] in texas.

[1:40:50] 20%.

[1:40:55] This is only the next -- to me,

[1:40:57] logical step going to 5%,

[1:40:58] instead of going all the way to

[1:40:59] 20%.

[1:41:01] Is it going to take three years

[1:41:03] of hammering away that we need

[1:41:06] to offer more in homestead

[1:41:06] exemptions?

[1:41:09] I'm not just talking about the

[1:41:10] city, I think we need to as a

[1:41:14] city to also work with bexar

[1:41:15] county, the hospital district,

[1:41:17] the school districts, the san

[1:41:18] antonio river authority, all

[1:41:21] those are taxing entities that

[1:41:23] don't offer homestead

[1:41:23] exemptions.

[1:41:25] some of them do here and there,

[1:41:29] but the vast majority of [Lapse

[1:41:32] in audio] As leaders of this

[1:41:33] city work with the other

[1:41:36] entities to get them to say,

[1:41:40] hey, yeah, let's give a break to

[1:41:40] homeowners.

[1:41:42] The school districts are the

[1:41:45] majority of the tax bills out

[1:41:45] there.

[1:41:46] I understand school funding,

[1:41:49] what comes down from the state,

[1:41:53] what's raising property taxes,

[1:41:55] but I think they need to

[1:41:56] recognize that just as much as

[1:41:58] we do to help the working class

[1:41:59] homeowners here in san antonio.

[1:41:59] So that's all I have today on

[1:42:02] that right now.

[1:42:07] Just wanted to say, we had a

[1:42:08] scientific study that said

[1:42:11] people want more police.

[1:42:12] Want more police visibility out

[1:42:13] there.

[1:42:15] I think that's a given, that we

[1:42:18] need to look at increasing our

[1:42:19] police force.

[1:42:22] And just one more, streets and

[1:42:24] sidewalks, almost always number

[1:42:25] one at the top of the list.

[1:42:28] That's all, sir, thank you.

[1:42:30] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[1:42:34] councilmember perry.

[1:42:35] Councilmember bravo.

[1:42:37] >> I'm happy to support you to

[1:42:39] going out to the other entities

[1:42:41] in the county and do their share

[1:42:42] of tax relief.

[1:42:43] When we look at tax relief here

[1:42:45] in the city, I want to make

[1:42:48] sure, you know, this is a city

[1:42:50] of [Lapse in audio].

[1:42:52] I want to make sure we are

[1:42:54] prioritizing taking care of our

[1:42:56] most vulnerable, making sure

[1:42:57] we're not taxing people out of

[1:42:58] their homes.

[1:43:01] That's why I propose that we

[1:43:02] proactively going into the zip

[1:43:03] codes and make sure everybody

[1:43:05] who qualifies for homestead

[1:43:06] exemption has one.

[1:43:08] Help everybody who's about to

[1:43:10] turn 65 protest their appraisals

[1:43:12] so they can bring their

[1:43:14] appraisal down so that when

[1:43:15] their property taxes are frozen,

[1:43:17] it's going to be at a lower

[1:43:17] rate.

[1:43:18] And something that will be

[1:43:21] meaningful as they age out on a

[1:43:22] limited fixed income.

[1:43:27] Ben, can I get you to pop up and

[1:43:28] go to slide 21, please?

[1:43:31] One thing I'm looking at is, you

[1:43:34] know, in our city of haves and

[1:43:39] have-nots, we -- one determinant

[1:43:41] of your life expectancy is the

[1:43:42] zip code you live in, right?

[1:43:44] So how does that play out when

[1:43:52] we look at property taxes, and

[1:43:54] getting the tax [Lapse in audio]

[1:43:56] When you're a senior citizen.

[1:43:59] We're looking at the $759

[1:44:01] example where it stays flat at

[1:44:04] the age of 65, right?

[1:44:05] What is the impact of that?

[1:44:11] I mean, part of that is [Lapse

[1:44:13] in audio] Impact on your life

[1:44:16] is, how long do you live, right?

[1:44:20] If you go to district 2, the

[1:44:24] life expectancy, 67.6 years.

[1:44:28] So you get that tax break for

[1:44:29] 2.6 years on average in your

[1:44:32] life.

[1:44:36] You go to district 7, zip code

[1:44:40] 78254, the life expectancy is

[1:44:41] 89.2 years.

[1:44:43] So you get to benefit from that

[1:44:47] flat line there, that $759, I

[1:44:49] guess that you're paying every

[1:44:53] year on property taxes --

[1:44:53] >> (Indiscernible).

[1:44:55] >> 24.2 years.

[1:44:56] And so we need to be looking at

[1:44:59] the whole picture here.

[1:45:03] And so I think it's really

[1:45:04] important for people who don't

[1:45:09] have a homestead exemption, who

[1:45:12] because of lack of information,

[1:45:13] possibly because they are

[1:45:14] working two jobs and they don't

[1:45:17] have time to go and, you know,

[1:45:19] learn about this stuff, and file

[1:45:21] for a homestead exemption, or

[1:45:23] they don't have the time to go

[1:45:25] and challenge their property tax

[1:45:27] appraisal, you know, these

[1:45:28] people are -- they're

[1:45:30] shouldering a disproportionate

[1:45:32] amount of the community's tax

[1:45:34] burden, and we need to go be

[1:45:36] proactive about, you know, first

[1:45:40] of all, to how we do that, maybe

[1:45:43] we carve off some money in the

[1:45:52] budget to provide some funds

[1:45:55] [Lapse in audio] Nonprofits.

[1:45:56] Maybe there are trusted

[1:45:57] messengers there, and they have

[1:46:00] a whole network there.

[1:46:03] We had some conversations about

[1:46:04] how we can be creative in

[1:46:06] fine-tuning who we're going

[1:46:06] after.

[1:46:08] I'm hope to how we do it, but I

[1:46:09] think that's something we need

[1:46:11] to do.

[1:46:15] And so when you're talking about

[1:46:18] prompt tax relief, I think we

[1:46:21] need to start with those who are

[1:46:23] most vulnerable, who are most at

[1:46:27] risk for being taxed out of

[1:46:28] their homes.

[1:46:30] I knocked on people's doors in

[1:46:32] campaigning for this seat, and I

[1:46:35] saw a "for sale" sign out in

[1:46:39] front of their house.

[1:46:42] I'm asking, who is this I'm

[1:46:43] talking to?

[1:46:46] This woman said her home was for

[1:46:49] sale, she had -- this home had

[1:46:51] been in her family for three

[1:46:51] generations.

[1:46:53] It was her grandmother's home,

[1:46:55] and her mother inherited it.

[1:46:57] And then she inherited it.

[1:47:00] And she's a senior citizen now,

[1:47:01] and she couldn't afford the

[1:47:03] property taxes.

[1:47:05] They were $4,000 a month.

[1:47:06] so she was selling the home that

[1:47:08] she grew up in, that was in her

[1:47:10] family for three generations.

[1:47:12] And that's what I want to

[1:47:12] prioritize.

[1:47:14] I want to make sure we're not

[1:47:16] taxing those people out of their

[1:47:16] homes.

[1:47:17] Thank you.

[1:47:19] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[1:47:20] councilmember bravo.

[1:47:21] Councilmember castillo.

[1:47:23] >> I wanted to comment on the

[1:47:28] speak up results.

[1:47:28] [Lapse in audio] The

[1:47:30] neighborhood and housing

[1:47:32] services department employed a

[1:47:33] great model I believe we should

[1:47:35] try to mirror the sa speak up.

[1:47:37] It was a series of questions

[1:47:40] that went out to the most

[1:47:41] vulnerable zip codes to folks.

[1:47:44] There were a lot of folks who

[1:47:47] didn't answer the doors, so we

[1:47:51] had a low contact rate.

[1:47:52] However, we learned in that

[1:47:53] process that many folks didn't

[1:47:54] have a phone number.

[1:47:56] If they provided us with a phone

[1:47:58] number, it was what they thought

[1:48:02] to be their nephew's or

[1:48:02] daughter's number.

[1:48:04] And many folks didn't have

[1:48:05] e-mail addresses.

[1:48:06] We were going door to door

[1:48:09] reaching the most vulnerable.

[1:48:11] And the people in the survey we

[1:48:12] questioned, there was the

[1:48:15] comment section we implemented,

[1:48:17] and we asked, you know, do you

[1:48:19] need assistance getting

[1:48:21] connected to a food bank, or

[1:48:23] help with getting connected to

[1:48:25] additional resources.

[1:48:27] There were a series of questions

[1:48:29] that were filtered.

[1:48:31] So for example, what we learned

[1:48:32] when asked, hey, are you

[1:48:36] experiencing issues with your

[1:48:37] (Indiscernible) Because of

[1:48:38] covid.

[1:48:40] Many folks said I was already

[1:48:42] having issues paying my

[1:48:43] utilities prior to covid.

[1:48:45] You learn a lot through these

[1:48:48] efforts, and I think it's

[1:48:49] something we should model for

[1:48:50] speak up.

[1:48:51] I think that would be beneficial

[1:48:52] to shaping the budget.

[1:48:56] In addition to that, regarding

[1:48:58] the pd property room fees, $25

[1:48:59] is a lot.

[1:49:01] That's a lot of money for people

[1:49:05] in my district.

[1:49:08] If we're targeting people to get

[1:49:11] their I.D.S, even a replacement

[1:49:14] I.D., you perpetuate the cycle

[1:49:16] of folks who can't get to work

[1:49:18] and have their basic needs met

[1:49:19] because of the $25.

[1:49:20] When we talk about property

[1:49:22] taxes, I think it's important we

[1:49:26] have an analysis of the rpfd

[1:49:28] deals, and what we're losing

[1:49:29] through those deals compared to

[1:49:31] the homestead exemption would be

[1:49:32] very beneficial.

[1:49:32] Thank you.

[1:49:33] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[1:49:35] councilmember castillo.

[1:49:38] And as you might look at the

[1:49:41] clock, we're about an hour over

[1:49:42] time.

[1:49:44] So we'll call a break for the

[1:49:45] rest of the day, and that

[1:49:47] includes lunch as we go along.

[1:49:49] I don't want to cut it short,

[1:49:51] but let's focus on moving on.

[1:49:53] Quick follow-up from

[1:49:56] councilmember pelaez, and then

[1:49:56] rocha garcia.

[1:49:57] >> Pelaez: thank you, mayor.

[1:50:00] Quick follow-up.

[1:50:06] I agree with you, councilmember

[1:50:07] rocha garcia.

[1:50:08] Whatever we do needs to be

[1:50:12] meaningful.

[1:50:15] I'm not sure that $28 a year,

[1:50:16] [Lapse in audio] A month.

[1:50:19] the last time we did this, you

[1:50:22] know, we were lambasted for

[1:50:26] months for bringing home a $4.30

[1:50:27] savings per month.

[1:50:27] It was an insult to a lot of

[1:50:31] people.

[1:50:31] Because it wasn't meaningful or

[1:50:34] impactful.

[1:50:36] The same anger that we saw flare

[1:50:40] up after cps offered an $8

[1:50:40] rebate.

[1:50:42] And so, you know, if we were to

[1:50:46] do a survey in district 5, let's

[1:50:51] say, or district 4, whatever,

[1:50:53] would you rather not spend $4.30

[1:50:54] a month, or would you rather

[1:50:57] have sidewalks.

[1:50:59] I bet you the answers would come

[1:51:01] back, no, I'd rather have a

[1:51:01] sidewalk.

[1:51:03] Would you be willing to, you

[1:51:08] know, enjoy $4.30 savings in

[1:51:11] exchange for lower 911 response

[1:51:11] times.

[1:51:12] I think we all know what the

[1:51:14] answer to that would be.

[1:51:16] And so an additional problem we

[1:51:19] need to keep in mind, and that

[1:51:22] is, you know, maybe razi can

[1:51:25] tell us, I'm just assuming the

[1:51:28] answer is that cement rebar and

[1:51:29] labor costs more now, right?

[1:51:31] And so the dollars that we get

[1:51:37] from our tax base go -- aren't

[1:51:38] going further, they're actually

[1:51:40] going -- it's harder and harder

[1:51:44] to build a square foot of

[1:51:44] sidewalk.

[1:51:48] So I will tell you that

[1:51:49] councilmember bravo is right.

[1:51:50] We have thousands and thousands

[1:51:54] of people who don't file for

[1:51:55] their homestead exemption and

[1:51:57] have taxes they aren't paying.

[1:51:59] And to teach them that that is

[1:52:01] available to them, they should

[1:52:02] avail themselves of.

[1:52:06] So mayor, I'll point out, we had

[1:52:08] more people show up [Lapse in

[1:52:11] audio] When we offer homestead

[1:52:13] exemption education, or how to

[1:52:15] protest your taxes classes.

[1:52:17] We have more people show up for

[1:52:21] free microchipping for your dogs

[1:52:24] than some of the social safety

[1:52:25] net campaigns.

[1:52:27] I'm going to continue to try

[1:52:29] harder to get people signed up

[1:52:32] for homestead before I offer a

[1:52:36] cosmetic fix, like doubling a

[1:52:38] meaningless home staes

[1:52:39] exemption.

[1:52:43] Thanks.

[1:52:43] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[1:52:43] COUNCILMAN Pelaez.

[1:52:43] To add on to the example that

[1:52:44] you gave, the vast majority of

[1:52:48] folks based on the slides would

[1:52:52] not even see a $4 relief at all.

[1:52:56] Based on homestead values.

[1:52:58] Councilmember rocha garcia.

[1:52:58] >> Rocha Garcia: thank you,

[1:53:01] mayor.

[1:53:03] To clarify, when I was asking

[1:53:04] about the employee compensation,

[1:53:09] we have a 3% for the pool for

[1:53:11] compensation that's budgeted.

[1:53:15] And I asked specifically about

[1:53:17] anything [Lapse in audio] So I

[1:53:18] just wanted to make clear I was

[1:53:21] not advocating for performance

[1:53:25] bonuses of any sort, but just

[1:53:26] adequate compensation that

[1:53:27] they've been known to be

[1:53:28] eligible for.

[1:53:29] That was it.

[1:53:29] Thank you.

[1:53:31] >> thanks for that

[1:53:33] clarification, because the city

[1:53:35] doesn't do bonuses.

[1:53:36] Right?

[1:53:38] We do performance pay.

[1:53:40] We do not do bonuses.

[1:53:42] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[1:53:44] councilmember rocha garcia.

[1:53:45] Councilmember sandoval.

[1:53:47] >> Sandoval: thank you, mayor.

[1:53:50] I just wanted to say that I put

[1:53:51] my position for staff when

[1:53:53] taking consensus, I am in

[1:53:55] support of removing the property

[1:53:55] room fee.

[1:53:58] And I want to thank COUNCILMAN

[1:53:58] Cabello havrda for moving

[1:54:01] forward on that.

[1:54:07] And in terms of the homestead

[1:54:07] exemption, I'm going to thank

[1:54:10] ben for -- the secret slides

[1:54:11] that you had [Lapse in audio]

[1:54:15] But I think they were very, very

[1:54:16] helpful

[1:54:18] helpful, and having seen those,

[1:54:21] I would not be supportive of

[1:54:24] moving in that direction.

[1:54:26] Just so that everybody knows not

[1:54:31] everyone in district 7 has

[1:54:31] (Indiscernible).

[1:54:33] I was going to say this earlier,

[1:54:39] when jeff showed us the

[1:54:41] by-district averages, each of

[1:54:43] our districts have 150,000

[1:54:44] people, and my district spans

[1:54:47] outside of 1604, and inside loop

[1:54:48] 10.

[1:54:49] We lose a lot of nuance when we

[1:54:50] do that.

[1:54:52] So just another thing to keep in

[1:54:55] mind when we look at the survey

[1:54:56] results.

[1:54:58] Lastly, I know some people in

[1:55:02] the survey ranked things like

[1:55:04] parks and libraries lower in

[1:55:06] terms of not wanting to cut

[1:55:06] them.

[1:55:09] I would not be supportive of any

[1:55:13] cuts to things like our road

[1:55:16] department, our parks

[1:55:18] department, even if it wasn't

[1:55:19] explicitly in there.

[1:55:21] People were forced to rank.

[1:55:23] I wouldn't be supportive of

[1:55:23] those.

[1:55:25] I'm looking at homer, I feel

[1:55:28] like they're looking right at

[1:55:28] me, or acs.

[1:55:29] Thank you.

[1:55:29] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[1:55:32] councilmember sandoval.

[1:55:32] Councilmember courage.

[1:55:34] >> Courage: thank you, mayor.

[1:55:35] i think it's important to

[1:55:37] realize, I don't think anybody

[1:55:40] here wants to cut any kind of a

[1:55:43] program, or not do a program.

[1:55:47] Now, I could be wrong, there MAY

[1:55:49] be something that we hear don't

[1:55:51] have the value, that maybe

[1:55:52] [Lapse in audio] When we look at

[1:55:54] it deeply, we say, it wasn't the

[1:55:54] value we thought.

[1:55:56] And I think that's kind of what

[1:56:00] people are thinking about, this

[1:56:00] homestead exemption.

[1:56:01] It doesn't have the value that

[1:56:04] maybe we initially thought.

[1:56:07] One thing I want to say is I've

[1:56:08] been on this council for four

[1:56:12] years and I don't think I've

[1:56:12] ever had a budget at the end of

[1:56:16] the year come up short.

[1:56:17] As a matter of fact, they've

[1:56:18] usually come up with 7 million

[1:56:22] left over, or 15 million left

[1:56:22] over.

[1:56:24] This year, 42 million in excess

[1:56:28] of what we budgeted.

[1:56:31] So to have a fear that by spend

[1:56:33] spending 7 1/4 million this

[1:56:34] year, we're not going to do

[1:56:39] something, I think is pretty

[1:56:39] inrealistic.

[1:56:42] And the point of this homestead

[1:56:44] exemption is not to give

[1:56:47] $600,000 home $139 extra this

[1:56:48] year.

[1:56:51] But it's part of the $300,000

[1:56:53] home that's going to get $50

[1:56:54] extra this year.

[1:56:56] But when we raise it another 5%

[1:56:59] in a couple more years, then

[1:57:01] that person [Lapse in audio]

[1:57:03] $150 extra.

[1:57:06] Or another 5%, you know, a few

[1:57:07] years after that, now maybe

[1:57:09] they're getting $400 savings.

[1:57:11] And maybe if we do it again and

[1:57:13] get to that 20% eventually, you

[1:57:16] know, they might be saving 500

[1:57:21] or 1,000, if you own a 4 or

[1:57:22] 500,000 home, that's real money

[1:57:23] to those people at that time.

[1:57:27] So this is a process.

[1:57:29] It's going gradually as well as

[1:57:31] we can afford it.

[1:57:34] If we didn't have a $42 million

[1:57:36] surplus, and I'm sorry, no one

[1:57:37] likes to use that word, but

[1:57:39] that's what I'll use, I wouldn't

[1:57:40] bring it up this year.

[1:57:41] I didn't bring it up last year,

[1:57:44] because we were in fear of

[1:57:44] having a real deficit.

[1:57:49] But we didn't.

[1:57:51] So lets think not of just a

[1:57:53] small amount today, and what we

[1:57:55] might not have, but let's think

[1:57:57] about all the property owners,

[1:57:59] including the ones you're saying

[1:58:01] that aren't even getting any

[1:58:02] homestead exemption.

[1:58:04] Do you think that at least $28

[1:58:06] this year, if we get them that

[1:58:08] exemption, do you think in four

[1:58:09] or five years they might

[1:58:11] appreciate 400 or 500 as we

[1:58:12] increase that, as we can afford

[1:58:16] to increase that over time?

[1:58:18] That's what this process is

[1:58:18] about.

[1:58:19] It's not about denying any kind

[1:58:21] of services.

[1:58:23] The income is growing and it

[1:58:24] will continue to grow.

[1:58:25] The property values are going to

[1:58:27] continue to grow.

[1:58:28] And people know their property

[1:58:30] values are going up.

[1:58:32] And they want tax relief.

[1:58:33] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[1:58:34] councilmember courage.

[1:58:36] Very briefly, again,

[1:58:37] councilmember bravo, and then

[1:58:40] councilmember viagran.

[1:58:43] >> I just want to make sure that

[1:58:47] we don't lose sight of the

[1:58:49] second set of slides that ben

[1:58:50] gorzell gave us.

[1:58:52] We can't just look at one side

[1:58:53] and say look what the other side

[1:58:57] is doing and we're not doing

[1:58:58] that.

[1:59:00] We're protecting senior

[1:59:02] citizens.

[1:59:03] They don't freeze taxes for

[1:59:04] senior citizens.

[1:59:07] So that changes the bottom line

[1:59:07] at the end of the day.

[1:59:08] We have to look at the whole

[1:59:10] picture.

[1:59:17] [Lapse in audio] I don't think

[1:59:21] you can do both, right?

[1:59:24] That's a tough conversation.

[1:59:25] If you want to have that

[1:59:26] conversation, let's look at the

[1:59:27] whole picture.

[1:59:28] Thank you.

[1:59:29] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[1:59:29] councilmember bravo.

[1:59:31] Councilmember viagran.

[1:59:33] >> Viagran: I want to chime in,

[1:59:34] I appreciate COUNCILMAN Perry's

[1:59:36] efforts to be a leader with the

[1:59:38] other taxing entities.

[1:59:40] I think that that's the primary

[1:59:44] point here is that we need to

[1:59:46] leave the other taxing entities

[1:59:47] in the homestead process.

[1:59:49] Because right now homestead is

[1:59:50] the only thing we have.

[1:59:54] We don't have a legacy homeowner

[1:59:55] exemption, that we would have to

[1:59:55] work for the state.

[1:59:56] So I don't think we can lose

[1:59:57] sight of that.

[2:00:00] I think we need to look at that

[2:00:02] 42 million, and the programs,

[2:00:05] that maybe we expand the

[2:00:07] services, because -- just

[2:00:09] because somebody owns a $300,000

[2:00:12] house doesn't mean that they

[2:00:14] don't [Lapse in audio]

[2:00:15] Refurbishing or winterizing or

[2:00:16] things like that.

[2:00:17] When we get to the discussions,

[2:00:20] I hope we keep that in mind.

[2:00:22] Thank you, mayor.

[2:00:23] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[2:00:24] councilmember perry.

[2:00:28] >> Perry: I totally agree with

[2:00:29] councilmember courage.

[2:00:30] i disagree with my colleague

[2:00:36] next to me that people -- I've

[2:00:37] got zero complaints about us

[2:00:39] starting that homestead

[2:00:40] exemption in district 10.

[2:00:42] In fact, I got just the

[2:00:44] opposite, where people were

[2:00:46] excited, and ecstatic that the

[2:00:47] city final ly

[2:00:50] ly passed a homestead

[2:00:51] exemption, with the

[2:00:52] understanding that we will

[2:00:54] continue to work on that, and

[2:00:56] raise it over time.

[2:00:58] Now is the right time.

[2:00:59] $42 million carryover.

[2:01:01] I don't know, ben, just a head

[2:01:03] nod, was that $6 million that we

[2:01:05] had set aside this year, was

[2:01:07] that the actual cost or was that

[2:01:09] the budgeted cost?

[2:01:15] >> COUNCILMAN, that would be

[2:01:20] very close to the actual cost.

[2:01:22] >> Perry: all right.

[2:01:24] So, yeah.

[2:01:27] I just -- $42 million carryover,

[2:01:29] and we can't afford 7 million

[2:01:30] for our homeowners that are

[2:01:33] struggling out there.

[2:01:35] That's all I've got, sir.

[2:01:36] Thanks.

[2:01:36] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[2:01:37] COUNCILMAN Perry.

[2:01:37] All right.

[2:01:40] That has been a helpful -- it

[2:01:42] took a little bit longer than we

[2:01:45] anticipated for the 30-minute

[2:01:45] allotment.

[2:01:47] But we're going to keep moving

[2:01:47] here.

[2:01:50] Let me turn it back to erik for

[2:01:52] any closing comments on the

[2:01:53] recap.

[2:01:54] >> thanks, mayor.

[2:01:55] So thank you for the

[2:01:55] conversation.

[2:01:56] It was helpful.

[2:02:00] I think we have an idea of where

[2:02:01] the group is at.

[2:02:04] I do want to just [Lapse in

[2:02:05] audio] The $42 million.

[2:02:10] Part of that was part of the

[2:02:16] [Lapse in audio] Took this time

[2:02:16] last year to contract our

[2:02:16] organization.

[2:02:21] And part of that $42 million

[2:02:22] [Lapse in audio] That the

[2:02:25] forecast two months ago, we saw

[2:02:28] us continuing to lag

[2:02:29] financially.

[2:02:30] And it's just been in the last

[2:02:33] two months where we've seen the

[2:02:35] serious uptick, and you remember

[2:02:37] the slides last week that it

[2:02:40] represented in sales tax and in

[2:02:41] cps.

[2:02:44] Cps is our most unpredictable

[2:02:45] revenue source.

[2:02:48] To this point it has been one of

[2:02:49] our most stable.

[2:02:51] That explains the turbulence

[2:02:52] that we've been dealing with.

[2:02:55] There is a fair amount of

[2:02:55] uncertainty.

[2:02:58] We do have $42 million, but I

[2:03:00] would say that just like we

[2:03:05] reminded the council last week,

[2:03:06] determining how long that

[2:03:10] upswing is going to go, and how

[2:03:14] high, is difficult.

[2:03:17] And I think we should proceed

[2:03:18] cautiously.

[2:03:20] And somewhat conservatively

[2:03:23] because of those facts.

[2:03:24] We are not back a hundred

[2:03:26] percent, and it will take some

[2:03:29] time for us to get back to 2019

[2:03:31] levels from an organizational

[2:03:32] stand point.

[2:03:34] I think we just need to be

[2:03:35] mindful of that.

[2:03:37] I think I have what I need for

[2:03:39] that first part, mayor.

[2:03:42] So our next section is our

[2:03:43] strategic growth health plan.

[2:03:45] And DR. Bridger will be

[2:03:48] presenting it.

[2:03:50] >> good morning, everybody.

[2:03:52] It's a long time to be sitting.

[2:03:55] You will not hurt my feelings if

[2:03:59] you need to stand up, pace, do

[2:03:59] calisthenics.

[2:04:01] I'm also going to try to go

[2:04:03] really fast to try to make up

[2:04:03] some time.

[2:04:05] So with that, we'll go ahead and

[2:04:06] get started.

[2:04:07] So what I'm going to present

[2:04:11] today is what we're calling the

[2:04:12] strategic growth plan.

[2:04:14] We started working on this

[2:04:20] growth plan back in JANUARY of

[2:04:20] 2020

[2:04:22] 2021, full of optimism, the

[2:04:23] pandemic was ending.

[2:04:25] Under the new administration

[2:04:27] there were federal resources for

[2:04:27] public health.

[2:04:29] Also through the lens of what

[2:04:30] have we learned as a result of

[2:04:33] the pandemic, and so we put

[2:04:37] together this growth plan.

[2:04:40] It does nest within our existing

[2:04:42] four-year strategic plan at the

[2:04:42] health department.

[2:04:45] It uses braided funding, and it

[2:04:48] continues our focus on early

[2:04:49] intervention, addressing the

[2:04:52] root causes of our community's

[2:04:54] most difficult and entrenched

[2:04:56] public health challenges.

[2:04:58] So has a reminder, the health

[2:04:59] department's vision is helping

[2:05:02] people thriving in a healthy

[2:05:02] community.

[2:05:04] Under our current strategic

[2:05:07] plan, our priorities are [Lapse

[2:05:10] in audio] Prevention, nutrition,

[2:05:11] access to care.

[2:05:13] The guiding principles that we

[2:05:15] used in the creation of both the

[2:05:18] existing strategic plan and this

[2:05:21] growth plan are social justice.

[2:05:23] We have four categories of

[2:05:28] expansion in this growth plan.

[2:05:31] Mental health, health justice,

[2:05:32] technology and infrastructure.

[2:05:35] I want to say health justice is

[2:05:38] a [Lapse in audio] At the health

[2:05:40] department, it represents both a

[2:05:41] focus on health equity and

[2:05:44] social justice.

[2:05:48] I'm going to go through the four

[2:05:49] categories rather quickly.

[2:05:50] You do have these slides.

[2:05:50] You have all of this

[2:05:53] information.

[2:05:56] We do have one-pagers on each of

[2:05:57] these, so if there is a

[2:05:59] particular initiative you're

[2:06:01] interested in, give me a high

[2:06:02] sign and I'll e-mail that to

[2:06:03] you.

[2:06:04] In the category of mental

[2:06:07] health, some of the activities

[2:06:08] that we would recommend

[2:06:09] undertaking is, first, hiring a

[2:06:11] chief mental health officer for

[2:06:13] the city of san antonio.

[2:06:16] We have a number of departments

[2:06:18] that are in the area of mental

[2:06:19] health, but we don't have one

[2:06:21] person who understands

[2:06:22] everything that's happening at

[2:06:23] the city.

[2:06:25] This would allow us to do that.

[2:06:26] We will also continue to build

[2:06:28] on the work that we've been

[2:06:31] doing over the last three years,

[2:06:34] specific to adverse childhood

[2:06:35] experiences and trauma-informed

[2:06:36] approaches.

[2:06:38] And we've created a certifying

[2:06:41] process for the community to go

[2:06:43] through, but what this does is

[2:06:46] strengthen that in the city.

[2:06:50] And at the end of every

[2:06:53] department certified in trauma

[2:06:54] informed care.

[2:06:57] Another one that we will work on

[2:07:01] is restorative justice

[2:07:02] initiatives with at least five

[2:07:02] schools.

[2:07:05] You know, people always ask me,

[2:07:09] if we could only do one thing to

[2:07:10] improve public health, and it

[2:07:11] surprises them when I say,

[2:07:13] invest in education.

[2:07:15] Education is the single best

[2:07:16] predictor of a person's health

[2:07:17] throughout their life.

[2:07:19] So when we have kids who are

[2:07:20] struggling, and our solution to

[2:07:24] that is to kick them out of

[2:07:27] school, we are not investing in

[2:07:30] their life-long health.

[2:07:31] So restorative justice does make

[2:07:33] a lot of sense when we think

[2:07:34] about public health.

[2:07:36] Some of the younger programs,

[2:07:39] expanding our pilot that works

[2:07:41] exceptionally well to provide

[2:07:43] cognitive behavioral therapy for

[2:07:45] kids who have been victims or

[2:07:47] witnessed violence.

[2:07:48] Really great evidence in that

[2:07:49] area.

[2:07:51] Expanding our case management

[2:07:54] services for domestic violence

[2:07:55] survivors.

[2:07:57] Recognizing a complex system.

[2:07:59] They need to know how to

[2:08:02] navigate, and they need help in

[2:08:02] order to do that.

[2:08:04] And expanding our team

[2:08:06] ambassador program focusing

[2:08:08] exclusively on teen pregnancy

[2:08:09] prevention also to include

[2:08:10] mental health.

[2:08:13] Under our health justice

[2:08:16] category, we're expanding some

[2:08:18] programs that we've had at the

[2:08:18] health department for many

[2:08:20] years, but we're doing it

[2:08:20] through using the community

[2:08:23] health worker model.

[2:08:25] So improving access to

[2:08:27] restaurants that serve healthy

[2:08:29] food, and understanding of how

[2:08:30] do you have access to healthy

[2:08:33] food.

[2:08:35] We're also going to be working

[2:08:38] with the [Lapse in audio] Local

[2:08:41] food system collaborative who

[2:08:43] can really address food

[2:08:43] insecurity.

[2:08:44] That's something that we've been

[2:08:46] doing a little bit, but this

[2:08:47] allows us to really invest

[2:08:51] solidly in that work.

[2:08:52] and then I'm going to skip over

[2:08:55] some of these to go faster.

[2:08:58] But in the -- a lot of you have

[2:09:00] heard of our stand up sa program

[2:09:03] which is a violence prevention

[2:09:04] initiative.

[2:09:07] And we have expanded that in

[2:09:09] this last year to go into

[2:09:11] hospitals and trauma centers.

[2:09:13] So if somebody shows up as a

[2:09:16] result of a gunshot, for

[2:09:18] example, they can begin their

[2:09:20] work of interrupting the

[2:09:21] retaliatory nature of violence

[2:09:23] right there in the hospital, and

[2:09:25] not have to wait for it to get

[2:09:31] into the community.

[2:09:33] [Lapse in audio] Health worker

[2:09:34] hub.

[2:09:36] One of the things that we have

[2:09:36] -

[2:09:38] learned in the pandemic is that

[2:09:40] a number of different

[2:09:42] organizations have effectively

[2:09:45] used community health workers to

[2:09:47] do some of that door-to-door

[2:09:49] work that you were talking about

[2:09:50] earlier, and to really meet

[2:09:52] people where they are in order

[2:09:54] to help them figure out whatever

[2:09:56] it is that they need.

[2:09:58] In recognition of that, we would

[2:09:59] establish a community health

[2:10:01] worker hub.

[2:10:03] So health workers will be able

[2:10:04] to gather together, learn about

[2:10:05] all of the different resources

[2:10:08] that exist in the community, as

[2:10:11] well as learn from each other

[2:10:13] about best practices.

[2:10:15] Then, again, I'm going to try to

[2:10:18] skip some of these.

[2:10:23] [Lapse in audio] Policies for

[2:10:25] two major healthcare sis 2e78s.

[2:10:26] A healthcare system is a

[2:10:29] hospital, yes, but it could also

[2:10:33] be our fqac system that have

[2:10:34] multiple locations where they

[2:10:35] deliver services.

[2:10:39] And finally, medical legal

[2:10:40] partnerships.

[2:10:43] They're really neat partnerships

[2:10:45] between doctors' offices and

[2:10:46] attorneys' offices.

[2:10:48] And often what happens is a

[2:10:50] mother will bring her child to

[2:10:53] the doctor -- for example, for

[2:10:55] another recurrence of asthma.

[2:10:57] The doctor will say, I don't

[2:10:59] know what's going on, he's on

[2:11:02] all the right meds, he's doing

[2:11:03] everything he should.

[2:11:04] The mother says, I know exactly

[2:11:05] what's going on.

[2:11:07] We live in a house with a leaky

[2:11:09] roof and there's mold everywhere

[2:11:11] and we can't get the landlord to

[2:11:14] fix it.

[2:11:16] This medical/legal partnership

[2:11:18] could meet with the landlord to

[2:11:20] make the required improvements

[2:11:22] thus resulting in improved

[2:11:23] health outcomes.

[2:11:26] The last category, technology

[2:11:27] and infrastructure.

[2:11:28] Again, recognizing that we had a

[2:11:32] lot of technology challenges

[2:11:32] during the pandemic.

[2:11:35] We do have a technology

[2:11:39] infrastructure fund to improve

[2:11:42] [Lapse in audio] Reporting and

[2:11:42] investigations.

[2:11:45] So all those lessons we learned

[2:11:46] from covid.

[2:11:50] I call this the anti-

[2:11:51] anti-(Indiscernible) Machine

[2:11:51] fund.

[2:11:53] It helps us do a better job with

[2:11:54] technology.

[2:11:57] For all infectious diseases.

[2:12:00] It also establishes a policy and

[2:12:01] partnerships, giving a nod to

[2:12:02] the fact that the health

[2:12:04] department is currently serving

[2:12:06] as a backbone organization for a

[2:12:08] number of community-wide

[2:12:08] initiatives.

[2:12:12] So we've got our end stigma hiv

[2:12:15] alliance which brings together

[2:12:16] every service together in the

[2:12:19] city to address hiv.

[2:12:20] That's staffed by metro health.

[2:12:24] We've got the trauma-informed

[2:12:26] care consortium, and we've even

[2:12:28] got the mayor's fitness council.

[2:12:30] We need to be able to have all

[2:12:32] of those different initiatives

[2:12:33] in one place and learn from each

[2:12:36] other, and we can be more

[2:12:38] proactive in doing more of that.

[2:12:39] The health department's never

[2:12:41] going to be the sole source

[2:12:42] provider for any of these public

[2:12:44] health initiatives we're dealing

[2:12:44] with.

[2:12:46] This allows us to bring the

[2:12:49] community together and work

[2:12:51] together.

[2:12:52] Funding-wise, I did mention this

[2:12:53] was a braided funding approach.

[2:12:56] And this is a five-year plan.

[2:12:58] What this slide shows you is

[2:13:01] that in year one and year two,

[2:13:03] this plan is entirely funded

[2:13:04] through grants.

[2:13:06] And funds that are left over

[2:13:09] from health implementation plan.

[2:13:10] We received significant grant

[2:13:11] dollars from the federal

[2:13:12] government to cover the cost of

[2:13:13] the covid response.

[2:13:15] That allows us to take the

[2:13:17] dollars that the city allocated

[2:13:18] to the health department and

[2:13:21] invest that into these broader

[2:13:24] public health initiatives.

[2:13:25] So first two years, first year

[2:13:27] about 15 million, second year at

[2:13:29] about 16 million is completely

[2:13:31] covered by grants and health

[2:13:32] implementation plan funding.

[2:13:34] After that, we start to

[2:13:36] integrate some of the city

[2:13:37] general fund dollars in with

[2:13:39] grants and health implementation

[2:13:40] plan.

[2:13:42] And then right now, show year

[2:13:45] four and five as exclusively

[2:13:49] funded by the fund dollars.

[2:13:50] The presenter previously

[2:13:52] mentioned that we are already

[2:13:54] starting to set aside funding in

[2:13:56] order to be able to have the

[2:13:59] money necessary starting in year

[2:13:59] three.

[2:14:01] That is the end of my

[2:14:02] presentation.

[2:14:05] And I'm happy to answer any

[2:14:05] questions.

[2:14:06] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you

[2:14:10] very much, DR. Bridger.

[2:14:12] I'm just very pleased with the

[2:14:13] progress of this strategic plan.

[2:14:15] And in particular, the

[2:14:16] sustainability of the funding

[2:14:17] that will occur over the period

[2:14:19] of time.

[2:14:22] What happened to the grants, how

[2:14:25] does it shift and how does it

[2:14:28] impact the overall mental health

[2:14:29] [Lapse in audio].

[2:14:31] I'm guessing we'll go into it a

[2:14:32] little more.

[2:14:33] >> the nice thing we put

[2:14:35] together the budget for the

[2:14:36] strategic growth plan is we

[2:14:37] don't get into that situation

[2:14:39] where we have two years of

[2:14:40] grants and then we fall off a

[2:14:41] funding cliff.

[2:14:42] We have a plan for how we will

[2:14:46] be able to integrate those

[2:14:47] effective programs and services

[2:14:48] into the base budget for the

[2:14:50] health department.

[2:14:54] >> Mayor Nirenberg: and I'm also

[2:14:56] grateful for the very

[2:14:57] deliberative approach in

[2:14:59] demonstrating the framework of

[2:15:02] equity in all the operations in

[2:15:04] the strategic plan.

[2:15:07] Particularly with the health

[2:15:08] justice aspects of it.

[2:15:10] How are we getting reports back

[2:15:12] to the council on the progress?

[2:15:13] >> let me jump in here.

[2:15:15] Because part of this is that

[2:15:18] we'll be working through the

[2:15:20] impre mentation plan through the

[2:15:21] summer.

[2:15:23] as colleen mentioned, she and

[2:15:24] the health department started

[2:15:25] working on reviving and updating

[2:15:27] our strategic plan that was

[2:15:28] already in existence with what

[2:15:30] we've learned over the last 16

[2:15:32] or 17 months.

[2:15:34] They're very far along.

[2:15:38] What we need to spend time on

[2:15:38] this summer, in the month of

[2:15:41] JULY, is the actual

[2:15:42] implementation plan for next

[2:15:42] summer.

[2:15:43] >> Mayor Nirenberg: okay, good.

[2:15:46] >> one question I have gotten, I

[2:15:47] think from chuck is, which of

[2:15:49] these are you starting in the

[2:15:50] first year.

[2:15:52] This growth plan is a five-year

[2:15:54] plan, and we are starting every

[2:15:56] single initiative in year one.

[2:15:57] >> Mayor Nirenberg: okay.

[2:16:00] >> the outcomes that we have are

[2:16:02] five-year outcomes, with the

[2:16:04] expectation that every one of

[2:16:06] these initiatives starts in year

[2:16:06] one.

[2:16:07] >> Mayor Nirenberg: all right.

[2:16:09] With respect to the metro --

[2:16:12] excuse me, the mental health

[2:16:14] officer, if that's a

[2:16:15] recommendation of you and your

[2:16:16] department, I would fully

[2:16:17] support it.

[2:16:20] We obviously have the need.

[2:16:21] Are we coordinating with the

[2:16:22] county?

[2:16:24] I know they've been discussing

[2:16:25] significant investments,

[2:16:27] particularly in mental health.

[2:16:28] What kind of alignment and

[2:16:29] coordination are we doing with

[2:16:30] them?

[2:16:34] >> the city has

[2:16:36] is on the mental

[2:16:38] health task force.

[2:16:41] We are working very closely with

[2:16:42] them.

[2:16:48] The thought is that as you all

[2:16:50] have the arpa phase 2

[2:16:51] conversation in the fall, that

[2:16:52] will be in the report that goes

[2:16:54] to the commissioner's report

[2:16:55] around mental health.

[2:16:57] We'll probably get that report

[2:16:59] in the AUGUST, SEPTEMBER time

[2:17:00] frame.

[2:17:02] You'll probably be able to see a

[2:17:03] bigger infrastructure need, and

[2:17:05] take it from there.

[2:17:07] >> Mayor Nirenberg: and so much

[2:17:09] of this work is

[2:17:10] interdisciplinary.

[2:17:12] And so it would be helpful, as

[2:17:14] you report back to the council,

[2:17:18] where we see those lines, how

[2:17:20] we're quaul

[2:17:21] lifying to the

[2:17:23] investments, what they're

[2:17:23] falling into.

[2:17:26] It the affect public safety, it

[2:17:28] will influence our

[2:17:28] infrastructure budgets and

[2:17:29] everything else.

[2:17:30] It would be helpful to

[2:17:32] understand how we're investing

[2:17:34] each of those dollars and where

[2:17:35] it's actually flowing into the

[2:17:35] departments.

[2:17:36] >> and outside the departments

[2:17:38] as well, mayor.

[2:17:40] There are, you know, dozens and

[2:17:41] dozens of community partners

[2:17:43] with whom we'll be working to

[2:17:45] implement this plan.

[2:17:48] >> Mayor Nirenberg: lastly, I'm

[2:17:50] excited and greatly appreciate

[2:17:51] the recognition of the community

[2:17:52] health workers.

[2:17:53] I was sitting here thinking

[2:17:55] about the conversation that

[2:17:56] councilmember bravo was talking

[2:17:58] about the homestead exemption

[2:18:00] signups, and how we could

[2:18:02] potentially impact our community

[2:18:03] positively by doing the same

[2:18:06] sort of outreach to sign them up

[2:18:07] for various community health

[2:18:09] access plans that are available,

[2:18:13] whether it's communicare or

[2:18:15] whatever, to make sure they're

[2:18:16] availing themselves of the

[2:18:18] health access that they might

[2:18:20] have, and not be aware of.

[2:18:24] The other thing is, finally,

[2:18:26] maybe long shot, but hopefully

[2:18:29] something will be done, but if

[2:18:31] there is local intervention on

[2:18:35] the expansion of medicaid, are

[2:18:37] we prepared to enroll folks that

[2:18:38] might be eligible?

[2:18:39] >> yes.

[2:18:40] We've actually always taken a

[2:18:45] very active roll in the aca

[2:18:46] enrollment, so we can use that

[2:18:48] infrastructure in order to tweak

[2:18:50] to make it for -- hopefully

[2:18:50] we'll get that.

[2:18:53] >> Mayor Nirenberg: okay.

[2:18:54] >> just a couple of comments.

[2:18:58] I wanted to also add, we have

[2:19:00] been, as you saw by the slides,

[2:19:02] we've been extremely aggressive

[2:19:05] in the idea that the things that

[2:19:08] we have all experienced and the

[2:19:09] conversations that the council

[2:19:13] has had regarding the issue,

[2:19:16] such as racism as a public

[2:19:18] health issue last year, to

[2:19:19] ensure those elements were

[2:19:23] included in the updated

[2:19:25] strategic framework.

[2:19:27] [Lapse in audio] It is braided

[2:19:30] and it will require us to

[2:19:33] continue to invest, initially

[2:19:35] using grant funds, but invest

[2:19:37] with our own local dollars to be

[2:19:39] able to support these systems.

[2:19:41] The other thing I wanted to

[2:19:42] mention, mayor, and

[2:19:43] councilmembers remember this,

[2:19:45] last year at the end of the

[2:19:46] budget process, was a

[2:19:49] conversation with the council

[2:19:54] about how these health upstream

[2:19:55] issues connect and coordinate

[2:19:59] with care being provided by the

[2:19:59] hospital system.

[2:20:03] And in particular, uhs, the

[2:20:04] public hospital district.

[2:20:06] we had those conversations with

[2:20:07] both commissioners court and

[2:20:11] george hen dez, COUNCILWOMAN

[2:20:12] Sandoval and I and colleen.

[2:20:14] We have continued to do that,

[2:20:17] share with them the upstream

[2:20:17] strategic approach.

[2:20:19] I think it's going to be really

[2:20:23] critical that the city and uhs

[2:20:25] to make sure it's braided in the

[2:20:27] middle so we're providing better

[2:20:28] outcomes for the city.

[2:20:29] >> Mayor Nirenberg: it's number

[2:20:32] one on your agenda list in terms

[2:20:33] of the departments that we

[2:20:36] tackle, and hopefully that is a

[2:20:37] reflection of the priorities we

[2:20:40] have at the council.

[2:20:42] I certainly feel that way.

[2:20:43] So, councilmember sandoval?

[2:20:46] >> Sandoval: thank you, mayor.

[2:20:49] Thank you, DR. Bridger, for the

[2:20:49] presentation.

[2:20:52] I was recently talking to

[2:20:54] someone who works in the youth

[2:20:55] development, and they said,

[2:20:58] we're going to have this

[2:20:59] restorative justice program, it

[2:21:00] will be in five schools in the

[2:21:02] area, I hope they're all in

[2:21:02] district 7.

[2:21:04] And I said, we've got this great

[2:21:07] strategic plan coming out.

[2:21:08] It's like all the wonderful

[2:21:10] ideas we ever had, but we

[2:21:13] thought we wouldn't have the

[2:21:16] funding for.

[2:21:18] I'm thrilled to see these

[2:21:19] initiatives here.

[2:21:20] Thank you to you and your team

[2:21:24] for putting this together.

[2:21:29] A couple of things.

[2:21:33] I love that so many of these are

[2:21:35] addressing the root causes, some

[2:21:39] of the causes of the inequities

[2:21:41] in the steps along the way.

[2:21:45] I'm happy to see the community

[2:21:46] health worker hub.

[2:21:49] I think it can be married to our

[2:21:49] ready-to-work for community

[2:21:50] health workers.

[2:21:54] And I know where they can get a

[2:21:55] job, at uhs, as well, if they

[2:21:56] invest in this with us.

[2:21:59] I also want to call attention to

[2:22:07] something that you put in here

[2:22:07] on slide 6 about anti-racism.

[2:22:11] We have seen disparate health

[2:22:12] outcomes, especially in the

[2:22:13] african-american community.

[2:22:14] Due to many, many things.

[2:22:17] But some of that is when they

[2:22:18] are seeking care, right?

[2:22:20] Can you speak to that a little

[2:22:20] bit?

[2:22:23] >> one of the challenges that

[2:22:25] we've seen for decades in public

[2:22:29] health is this fact that people

[2:22:32] of color are less likely to

[2:22:33] access preventive health

[2:22:34] services.

[2:22:37] We kept thinking that we just

[2:22:39] need to [Lapse in audio] About

[2:22:43] importance, and we actually

[2:22:44] talked to people and they were

[2:22:45] like, I don't trust my doctor.

[2:22:47] He doesn't know my lived

[2:22:49] experience, he doesn't look like

[2:22:51] me, he doesn't understand the

[2:22:52] culture.

[2:22:53] And so that's when we started, I

[2:22:55] think, doing a little bit better

[2:22:59] job of saying, look, we need to

[2:23:02] recognize that [Lapse in audio]

[2:23:04] They will come.

[2:23:07] We need to make it relevant to

[2:23:10] individuals and make it a

[2:23:12] welcoming and comfortable

[2:23:13] experience.

[2:23:14] There's a ton of research out

[2:23:15] there that shows that

[2:23:17] african-americans, for example,

[2:23:19] are much less likely to get the

[2:23:20] appropriate treatment when

[2:23:22] compared to white people.

[2:23:28] And that's implicit across the

[2:23:28] system.

[2:23:29] >> Sandoval: thank you very much

[2:23:31] for identifying that.

[2:23:36] A couple of things [Lapse in

[2:23:38] audio].

[2:23:41] Number one, taking a health lens

[2:23:42] approach when we do -- I think

[2:23:43] that's really what you're

[2:23:44] getting at.

[2:23:46] So I'm going to pose a couple of

[2:23:47] things.

[2:23:49] In health justice, we talk about

[2:23:52] healthy food being available.

[2:23:53] I'd like to explore the

[2:23:55] possibility of using our

[2:23:57] economic development incentives

[2:23:59] in the retail area.

[2:24:02] Until now it has been [Lapse in

[2:24:03] audio] To that.

[2:24:04] There are many districts,

[2:24:06] certainly in mine, and many

[2:24:07] people in my district that have

[2:24:08] to leave the district, not just

[2:24:10] for food, but for other types of

[2:24:12] shopping as well.

[2:24:16] And I think [Lapse in audio]

[2:24:17] That's a quality of life issue

[2:24:18] and health issue.

[2:24:20] In terms of health access as

[2:24:22] well, I know COUNCILWOMAN

[2:24:24] Gonzales brought this up, how do

[2:24:25] we incentivize healthcare

[2:24:27] providers to open up in other

[2:24:27] areas.

[2:24:29] You have success in district 4.

[2:24:30] I think we need to continue

[2:24:33] going on that path by looking at

[2:24:33] our economic development

[2:24:35] guidelines in that way.

[2:24:37] The medical/legal partnership,

[2:24:40] that would be a great addition

[2:24:42] to our housing program.

[2:24:44] So whether or not someone has a

[2:24:47] doctor's notice, they MAY still

[2:24:51] have mold in their home, and

[2:24:52] aligning them with resources I

[2:24:55] think would be very helpful.

[2:24:57] Two more points I want to make.

[2:24:59] I brought this up at our last

[2:24:59] conversation.

[2:25:02] I would like for us to also

[2:25:04] explore environmental exposures

[2:25:07] somewhere in this strategic

[2:25:11] plan, as well as climate health

[2:25:11] impact.

[2:25:13] So for instance, heat, hotter

[2:25:15] days, and how does that impact

[2:25:17] our workers and how do we make

[2:25:18] sure they are protected.

[2:25:20] In terms of environmental

[2:25:21] exposures, I had someone reach

[2:25:23] out to me about a gas station

[2:25:25] going up nearby.

[2:25:26] We can't regulate that, that is

[2:25:29] fully in the hands of tcq.

[2:25:30] But we can provide guidance

[2:25:32] about what are the best types of

[2:25:36] land uses around residences, and

[2:25:38] around day care centers or

[2:25:38] schools.

[2:25:40] There are some best practices

[2:25:40] out there.

[2:25:42] And I'd love the opportunity to

[2:25:43] explore that with our health

[2:25:45] department.

[2:25:47] And lastly, colleagues, I want

[2:25:50] to point out that we are aiming

[2:25:53] for, based on this budget, we

[2:25:57] are aiming for a $17 million

[2:25:59] investment by the time we get to

[2:26:00] year five.

[2:26:03] I'd like to see it aim for a $20

[2:26:04] million investment.

[2:26:05] This is not even half of the

[2:26:08] budget of the health department.

[2:26:09] Right?

[2:26:14] [Lapse in audio] I will continue

[2:26:16] to say that in order to drive

[2:26:18] the best outcomes locally, we

[2:26:20] need to invest our local dollars

[2:26:21] in health.

[2:26:23] Thank you, mayor.

[2:26:24] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[2:26:26] councilmember sandoval.

[2:26:28] Councilmember bravo.

[2:26:35] >> thank you, DR. Bridger.

[2:26:37] When it comes to saving people

[2:26:39] on tax dollars, it's not just

[2:26:41] about looking at where your

[2:26:42] property taxes are and the

[2:26:43] breaks are.

[2:26:44] It's also looking how you're

[2:26:46] investing in ways that can save

[2:26:49] tax dollars in the future.

[2:26:51] and can you tell us,

[2:26:54] DR. Bridger, how much -- or how

[2:26:54] the city of san antonio

[2:26:56] investment in metro health

[2:26:57] compares to other major cities

[2:26:59] across the united states?

[2:27:02] >> so, the last time I looked at

[2:27:04] this is when I was still the

[2:27:06] health director, and that was

[2:27:07] two-plus years ago.

[2:27:10] But when I compared our per

[2:27:12] capita investment of general

[2:27:15] fund dollars to other big

[2:27:16] cities, we were in the bottom

[2:27:18] five.

[2:27:20] >> bottom five in the nation?

[2:27:21] >> yes.

[2:27:24] >> and then if we invest more in

[2:27:26] metro health, we can improve

[2:27:28] public health outcomes, and then

[2:27:31] that could reduce the number of

[2:27:33] ambulance rides, to emergency

[2:27:34] room, and emergency room visits,

[2:27:35] is that right?

[2:27:42] >> that's one of the goals that

[2:27:45] we strive for, yes, we intervene

[2:27:47] early and prevent more costly

[2:27:47] outcomes.

[2:27:51] >> that could reduce the costly

[2:27:55] outcomes that our residents are

[2:27:57] paying for the hospital district

[2:27:57] tax?

[2:27:58] Is that right?

[2:28:02] >> yes.

[2:28:04] >> how much does the county

[2:28:04] contribute to the metro health

[2:28:07] department?

[2:28:11] >> so, the county through

[2:28:14] university health contributes to

[2:28:17] metro health $190 million a

[2:28:17] year.

[2:28:19] >> what are we contributing a

[2:28:19] year?

[2:28:21] The city?

[2:28:26] >> it's about $14 million right

[2:28:26] now.

[2:28:30] >> okay.

[2:28:33] So I'm looking at -- I heard

[2:28:35] COUNCILWOMAN Sandoval say we

[2:28:39] should invest on the 20 million,

[2:28:40] i think [Lapse in audio] I think

[2:28:43] that's going to improve quality

[2:28:45] of life for residents, but also

[2:28:46] I think it's a good investment

[2:28:48] of our tax dollars and it's

[2:28:50] going to save in the long run.

[2:28:52] And I think it's a really good

[2:28:52] investment.

[2:28:55] I love this idea of restorative

[2:28:56] justice.

[2:28:59] I saw that you were proposing

[2:29:04] possibly working with five

[2:29:04] schools.

[2:29:05] [Lapse in audio].

[2:29:06] And it shouldn't just be

[2:29:06] schools.

[2:29:13] We could look at all kinds of

[2:29:14] partners [Lapse in audio]

[2:29:16] Organizations, we can look at

[2:29:18] groups like the martinez women's

[2:29:19] center.

[2:29:21] My understanding from talking to

[2:29:23] an expert on this subject is

[2:29:26] that key to this program of

[2:29:28] restorative justice to being

[2:29:30] successful is who you partner

[2:29:30] with.

[2:29:33] I think we can go beyond

[2:29:33] schools.

[2:29:36] And so I'm very supportive of

[2:29:38] it, and I think we should do a

[2:29:40] lot more or restorative justice.

[2:29:41] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[2:29:43] councilmember bravo.

[2:29:44] Councilmember courage.

[2:29:45] >> Courage: thank you, mayor.

[2:29:47] Thank you, DR. Bridger.

[2:29:49] I think this is a very in-depth

[2:29:52] and extensive plan moving

[2:29:53] forward.

[2:29:54] And I think there's a lot of

[2:29:58] great initiatives in here.

[2:30:01] I probably wouldn't think any of

[2:30:03] them weren't very worthy.

[2:30:06] But I think from what I see,

[2:30:08] there were about 21 of them,

[2:30:10] with a few subs that go along

[2:30:11] with them.

[2:30:14] And they're all funded in the

[2:30:17] first two years from grants.

[2:30:20] and the health implementation

[2:30:22] plan which is, what is that

[2:30:22] source?

[2:30:25] >> that was city dollars

[2:30:28] allocated to the pandemic

[2:30:28] response.

[2:30:31] We've since received grant

[2:30:33] dollars so we've been able to

[2:30:34] invest them in the plan.

[2:30:35] >> Courage: I see.

[2:30:37] And those will be carried

[2:30:38] through, those kinds of dollars

[2:30:39] for five years, is that right?

[2:30:43] >> so, the first three years has

[2:30:46] that mix of funding, years four

[2:30:49] and five are exclusively general

[2:30:49] fund at this point.

[2:30:55] >> Courage: okay.

[2:30:57] How many -- this looks like a

[2:30:58] lot to undertake and we're going

[2:31:01] to do it all, you know, starting

[2:31:04] this next fiscal year.

[2:31:06] How many staff are you going to

[2:31:07] need, additional staff to

[2:31:10] implement all these?

[2:31:11] >> it's about 75 additional

[2:31:11] staff.

[2:31:12] >> Courage: okay.

[2:31:13] >> and the total staff we have

[2:31:15] at the health department right

[2:31:16] now is about 400.

[2:31:18] If you take all the covid out of

[2:31:20] it, we have about 400 employees

[2:31:22] at the health department.

[2:31:23] >> Courage: okay.

[2:31:24] So 75 additional would be

[2:31:25] focused on this.

[2:31:26] And those are all included in

[2:31:27] the money up here, right?

[2:31:31] >> yes, sir.

[2:31:32] >> Courage: so [Lapse in audio].

[2:31:33] >> no, sir.

[2:31:34] >> Courage: you have a lot of

[2:31:36] other, or the health department

[2:31:41] has a lot of other broad

[2:31:41] responsibilities.

[2:31:43] What is -- you know, what are

[2:31:44] the other broad responsibilities

[2:31:46] of the health department, that

[2:31:51] they prioritize every day?

[2:31:54] >> if you think about the three

[2:31:55] divisions that the health

[2:31:58] department has, one is community

[2:31:59] health, and community health is

[2:32:02] where the bulk of this work will

[2:32:02] fall.

[2:32:05] But we also have environmental

[2:32:08] health and operations.

[2:32:09] And so that's where the

[2:32:11] restaurant inspections happen,

[2:32:12] for example.

[2:32:13] The air quality monitoring

[2:32:15] happens, for example.

[2:32:16] Those are all very important

[2:32:17] activities for us.

[2:32:24] And then we have our

[2:32:26] communicable disease division.

[2:32:29] They were already busy following

[2:32:32] up on every single reportable

[2:32:33] communicable disease in the

[2:32:34] county.

[2:32:35] We are a district, so we serve

[2:32:35] the entire county, not just the

[2:32:38] city.

[2:32:41] And so there are a lot of

[2:32:44] activities, all of our clinics

[2:32:49] fall under communicable disease,

[2:32:51] std clinic, hiv clinic.

[2:32:54] So that's a big ask of what we

[2:32:55] do.

[2:32:56] >> Courage: how much does the

[2:32:57] budget, normally, not including

[2:32:58] these projects?

[2:32:59] >> about $44 million.

[2:33:00] >> Courage: okay.

[2:33:03] I guess what I'd like to see,

[2:33:04] and I think that's something we

[2:33:07] need to look at through the city

[2:33:10] manager's office, is the

[2:33:13] expenditures of the fund I've

[2:33:16] heard we have five years to

[2:33:18] expend that money.

[2:33:20] I'd certainly like to see us at

[2:33:24] using some arpa money rather

[2:33:25] than general fund money, at

[2:33:28] least in part of these.

[2:33:31] Is taking $17 million out of our

[2:33:34] general fund a big hit, any

[2:33:36] year, but if we could designate

[2:33:39] some arpa money for years three,

[2:33:43] four and five, maybe 16,000, we

[2:33:45] take 4 or 5 this year, 4 or 5

[2:33:49] the next year, make it a more

[2:33:52] gradual hit to the general fund

[2:33:54] I think should be something we

[2:33:54] explore.

[2:33:56] I think how we fund that, we

[2:33:57] want to make sure that we don't

[2:33:59] just take it out of the general

[2:34:00] fund, if we can work some of it

[2:34:07] out of the arpa money.

[2:34:13] >> we've talked about that

[2:34:13] internally.

[2:34:17] And that's probably one of the

[2:34:19] things we shared with you as we

[2:34:21] talk about phase 2 arpa.

[2:34:24] We do as best as possible smooth

[2:34:26] out peaks.

[2:34:29] And colleen mentioned it in her

[2:34:30] presentation, you remember, in

[2:34:33] past years when we've gotten a

[2:34:38] big [Lapse in audio] Who helped

[2:34:39] fund police officers, we set

[2:34:41] aside a little bit of money

[2:34:42] every year so we can smooth that

[2:34:43] peak.

[2:34:44] And what you're describing is

[2:34:46] using arpa to do that.

[2:34:49] That's a great idea.

[2:34:51] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[2:34:54] councilmember courage.

[2:34:55] Councilmember castillo.

[2:34:59] >> the presentation, I'm excited

[2:35:03] to see metro health is going to

[2:35:03] be partnering with scic, and

[2:35:06] more schools.

[2:35:11] [Lapse in audio] I wanted to

[2:35:12] highlight this graphic you have

[2:35:14] on this page.

[2:35:16] There's the affordable housing,

[2:35:22] access to safe and healthy local

[2:35:25] food [Lapse in audio].

[2:35:28] If we fail to invest in these

[2:35:34] very roots, you know, we're

[2:35:34] [Lapse in audio] Branches that

[2:35:37] continue to grow [Lapse in

[2:35:38] audio] Folks of crime.

[2:35:40] And we need to focus on the

[2:35:42] groups that are focused in this

[2:35:44] photo, quality education.

[2:35:48] but just wanted to highlight

[2:35:51] that.

[2:35:52] Partnering with the ISDs, and

[2:35:53] the number of schools we're

[2:35:54] partnering with.

[2:35:56] In district 5 we have four

[2:35:57] school districts.

[2:36:00] That would be -- if we had one

[2:36:03] officer, one program in each

[2:36:04] school district, [Lapse in

[2:36:09] audio].

[2:36:09] Thank you.

[2:36:13] Oh, I had a question.

[2:36:16] What is metro health's

[2:36:18] relationship with the mental

[2:36:20] health unit?

[2:36:21] (Indiscernible).

[2:36:24] >> in last year's budget, we

[2:36:28] moved the civilian staff who

[2:36:30] responded to domestic violence

[2:36:31] from the police department to

[2:36:32] the health department.

[2:36:33] Before that, you know, we had a

[2:36:35] very good working relationship.

[2:36:37] Now we have an integrated

[2:36:39] working relationship.

[2:36:42] And so I can't think of a

[2:36:43] department that we work more

[2:36:46] closely with than the police

[2:36:47] department.

[2:36:49] They're critical partners in

[2:36:51] domestic violence, mental

[2:36:53] health, so yes, very strong

[2:36:53] relationship there.

[2:36:55] >> thank you.

[2:36:55] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[2:36:58] councilmember castillo.

[2:36:59] Councilmember rocha garcia.

[2:37:00] >> Rocha Garcia: thank you,

[2:37:00] mayor.

[2:37:03] I'm excited about the chief

[2:37:04] health officer position.

[2:37:08] Thank you also for the

[2:37:09] restorative justice programs

[2:37:10] that you're seeking.

[2:37:12] And I'm really happy about that.

[2:37:14] I've talked about that before.

[2:37:17] And I do believe they work.

[2:37:21] The office of health equity

[2:37:23] expansion, I'm going to be

[2:37:25] honest, I might have missed that

[2:37:26] memo, I didn't even know we had

[2:37:28] an office at health equity.

[2:37:31] So my apologies to you and your

[2:37:31] team.

[2:37:32] How many people are there and

[2:37:34] what is the goal?

[2:37:35] >> there are [Lapse in audio]

[2:37:37] Employees now, and one of those

[2:37:39] is partially covid funded.

[2:37:41] And it's to grow up to five.

[2:37:43] And again, the approach that

[2:37:46] we've taken with the office of

[2:37:46] health equity is kind of the

[2:37:48] same approach we took with

[2:37:51] quality improvement.

[2:37:53] It isn't about the office, it's

[2:37:55] about infusing the work into

[2:37:56] everything that we do.

[2:37:58] So we do a lot of train the

[2:38:02] trainer, we do a lot of kind of

[2:38:05] cultural changes to make sure

[2:38:07] everything we do reflects that

[2:38:10] continuous focus on health

[2:38:11] equity.

[2:38:12] >> Rocha Garcia: are you

[2:38:16] planning to have like someone

[2:38:18] focused on the east side or west

[2:38:19] side?

[2:38:19] Is there best practices?

[2:38:21] >> I don't know that we've

[2:38:23] gotten that far in the

[2:38:24] development.

[2:38:25] But that's a really good

[2:38:26] suggestion.

[2:38:27] I'll take that back to the team.

[2:38:28] >> Rocha Garcia: thank you.

[2:38:30] And finally, spinning off of

[2:38:33] that, mayor, I would probably

[2:38:34] advocate that we create within

[2:38:37] our departments an office of

[2:38:40] equity, or have like an equity

[2:38:42] representative in every city

[2:38:42] department.

[2:38:44] I think that's the only way

[2:38:47] we're truly going to get experts

[2:38:49] within fields to consider

[2:38:49] equity.

[2:38:51] And I know that's probably a big

[2:38:52] budget ask.

[2:38:54] but if we're looking at train

[2:38:57] the trainer type of stuff, and

[2:38:58] get into every part of the

[2:38:59] department.

[2:38:59] That's it.

[2:39:00] Thank you.

[2:39:02] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[2:39:03] councilmember rocha garcia.

[2:39:04] And [Lapse in audio] Training

[2:39:11] going on in the departments.

[2:39:11] >>

[2:39:12] [Overlapping speakers].

[2:39:12] >> Mayor Nirenberg: in the

[2:39:12] afternoon.

[2:39:15] I don't want to take too much of

[2:39:16] our time here.

[2:39:21] >> I think the -- not that I

[2:39:22] think.

[2:39:26] The health equity division in

[2:39:27] the health department, first

[2:39:30] equity effort that the city ever

[2:39:31] took, it happened before --

[2:39:33] about two years before we

[2:39:34] created the office of equity.

[2:39:37] So it is the initial place where

[2:39:39] the organization started.

[2:39:40] We can give you an update

[2:39:43] broadly at the end of the day.

[2:39:47] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[2:39:47] rocha garcia.

[2:39:48] >> thank you, mayor.

[2:39:53] The behavioral therapy for

[2:39:56] survival to violence, I applaud

[2:39:56] that and would like to see

[2:39:58] expansion of access to sa

[2:39:59] students.

[2:40:03] But I think this is something

[2:40:05] that MISS Castillo was talking

[2:40:06] about as well.

[2:40:08] Is there plans to expand to

[2:40:11] other school districts?

[2:40:12] >> yes.

[2:40:13] It will probably be through our

[2:40:15] partners rather than through the

[2:40:15] health department.

[2:40:19] There are a number of

[2:40:20] school-based mental health

[2:40:21] partnerships that are formed,

[2:40:24] and if we can show that this is

[2:40:27] an effective way to help

[2:40:28] students process trauma, then

[2:40:31] that can be expanded across all

[2:40:32] of the providers who are in all

[2:40:35] of the ISDs.

[2:40:35] >> okay.

[2:40:39] Like what partners?

[2:40:40] An example?

[2:40:43] >> communities in schools is a

[2:40:43] big partner.

[2:40:45] Family services currently serves

[2:40:50] as a backbone of a wellness

[2:40:50] collaborative that goes into a

[2:40:53] number of ISDs throughout the

[2:40:53] city.

[2:40:56] And they're growing their part

[2:40:59] of this mental wellness

[2:40:59] collaborative.

[2:41:02] There are five or six other

[2:41:04] providers that form part of that

[2:41:04] collaborative.

[2:41:04] >> okay.

[2:41:06] And they could potentially

[2:41:07] expand to the other school

[2:41:07] districts?

[2:41:07] >> yes.

[2:41:12] >> okay.

[2:41:15] The mention of viva health, is

[2:41:18] that -- does that include the

[2:41:20] viva sa healthy corner stores?

[2:41:21] >> in one of these bullets, yes.

[2:41:24] >> okay.

[2:41:25] What do you mean?

[2:41:27] >> I'm not sure if it's in that

[2:41:27] bullet or another bullet.

[2:41:29] >> okay.

[2:41:31] I got it.

[2:41:31] Okay.

[2:41:34] I have an area of my district,

[2:41:35] edgewood, it's a food desert.

[2:41:39] I would love to see a corner

[2:41:41] store in that area of my

[2:41:41] district.

[2:41:42] >> okay.

[2:41:43] >> that's all.

[2:41:46] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[2:41:52] councilmember cabello havrda.

[2:41:54] >> I want to start with slide

[2:41:56] number 4 in terms of the mental

[2:41:56] health.

[2:41:58] I think all of this is good.

[2:42:00] but I would like to see, does it

[2:42:03] have to be a chief mental health

[2:42:03] officer?

[2:42:07] Could it be a liaison?

[2:42:09] Just because kind of like the

[2:42:11] mayor mentioned, I would like to

[2:42:12] see what the county is doing on

[2:42:14] that front and how they can help

[2:42:17] with that coordination.

[2:42:20] The other thing similar to

[2:42:24] COUNCILWOMAN Castillo, is the

[2:42:27] saisd pairing with them on that

[2:42:28] therapy, that's great.

[2:42:30] But if I could get a list of

[2:42:32] those delegate agencies that can

[2:42:35] help, so that when we make

[2:42:37] decisions about [Lapse in audio]

[2:42:39] Delegate agency nonprofit we

[2:42:40] know who's already providing

[2:42:44] services.

[2:42:47] To the city, and MAY need our

[2:42:49] assistance also.

[2:42:53] And then the domestic violence

[2:42:55] prevention wrap-around services,

[2:42:59] that is very important to me.

[2:42:59] I think it's very important that

[2:43:03] we address not just [Lapse in

[2:43:07] audio]

[2:43:10] Audio], and that we start

[2:43:11] talking about the

[2:43:12] microaggressions

[2:43:13] microaggressions, especially in

[2:43:15] younger people, and maybe we

[2:43:18] approach it kind of like faulty

[2:43:18] relationships.

[2:43:21] So I really want to see, if we

[2:43:23] don't do a chief mental health

[2:43:25] officer, maybe we can expand to

[2:43:27] have someone specifically

[2:43:30] focusing on the violence

[2:43:31] prevention part of this.

[2:43:31] >> yeah.

[2:43:33] I do want to point out that last

[2:43:36] year we created an entire unit

[2:43:38] at the health department focused

[2:43:39] on violence prevention.

[2:43:42] So that's where all our domestic

[2:43:43] violence work sits, but it's

[2:43:46] also where our adverse childhood

[2:43:48] experience, our teen dating

[2:43:50] violence rests as well.

[2:43:53] So we'll give you a tour of all

[2:43:54] the work they're doing.

[2:43:56] >> yeah, I'm so excited about

[2:43:56] that.

[2:43:58] And of course, your health

[2:44:00] justice, I love everything

[2:44:00] there.

[2:44:02] Because viva healthy corner

[2:44:03] stores was started in district

[2:44:05] 3, and is great in addressing

[2:44:07] the obesity issues.

[2:44:10] And all those living with

[2:44:10] diabetes.

[2:44:13] But my question for the

[2:44:15] organization of the education

[2:44:18] campaign, and the peer-led

[2:44:19] program, how is that going to be

[2:44:19] done?

[2:44:22] Digitally?

[2:44:23] Through the library?

[2:44:26] How is it going to be marked?

[2:44:27] >> so, I'm going to start with

[2:44:29] the diabetes prevention program.

[2:44:30] That's through a partnership

[2:44:31] with the [Lapse in audio]

[2:44:33] Existing program that we have

[2:44:36] always wanted to expand, because

[2:44:43] we know that they have a 58%

[2:44:45] reduction in developing

[2:44:45] diabetes.

[2:44:47] We would expand our partnership

[2:44:48] with the y.

[2:44:50] That's a face-to-face.

[2:44:54] We get a lot of referrals from

[2:44:55] the Ys as well, but also from

[2:44:57] the local physicians.

[2:45:01] The targeted nutrition campaign,

[2:45:05] we are going to go to the

[2:45:08] community and say [Lapse in

[2:45:10] audio] Information specific to

[2:45:10] nutrition.

[2:45:11] Because we've kind of always

[2:45:14] taken this approach of, oh,

[2:45:17] here's this healthy plate,

[2:45:18] here's what you should do.

[2:45:25] What we want to do is say, you

[2:45:26] know you eat healthy, what is

[2:45:26] stopping you from doing that,

[2:45:28] how can we help in that area.

[2:45:31] so [Lapse in audio] That's the

[2:45:32] concept behind it.

[2:45:34] >> if you could just keep me

[2:45:35] posted on that.

[2:45:38] And then also in terms of

[2:45:39] justice, specifically for

[2:45:42] district 3, and I know it's

[2:45:46] citywide, is clean air.

[2:45:48] I don't see there's any programs

[2:45:53] dealing with the kind of clean

[2:45:53] air

[2:45:55] air, adults and children living

[2:45:55] with asthma.

[2:45:57] Do we have that kind of on deck

[2:45:58] somewhere?

[2:45:59] >> so that is an existing

[2:46:00] service that the health

[2:46:01] department provides.

[2:46:02] We have the san antonio kids

[2:46:04] breathe program, which was

[2:46:06] started, I believe, two or three

[2:46:07] years ago.

[2:46:09] That works with families,

[2:46:12] children with asthma, to help

[2:46:14] decrease the number of times

[2:46:17] they have to seek care for their

[2:46:17] asthma.

[2:46:21] We also have the air quality

[2:46:22] monitoring program also with the

[2:46:25] health department, where we have

[2:46:27] quality monitors throughout the

[2:46:28] city.

[2:46:32] And we have staff who go out

[2:46:34] every day, and the results of

[2:46:36] those air quality monitors, that

[2:46:38] helps us make decisions.

[2:46:42] >> just because after covid-19

[2:46:42] [Lapse in audio] Possible issues

[2:46:44] that people could have, I think

[2:46:46] we MAY need to set aside funds

[2:46:48] to kind of address -- or

[2:46:49] increase the funds with the

[2:46:51] health department to address

[2:46:52] that.

[2:46:54] And the last point is, when you

[2:46:58] look at agencies, the southern

[2:46:59] sector has two hospitals.

[2:47:03] Very few university hospitals.

[2:47:04] But central med might be

[2:47:05] somebody who could help that

[2:47:08] priority training for

[2:47:08] anti-racist.

[2:47:09] Thank you.

[2:47:11] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[2:47:14] councilmember viagran.

[2:47:15] Councilmember rodriguez.

[2:47:17] >> I want to start off by saying

[2:47:20] that in the survey, there was a

[2:47:22] question about strategic

[2:47:23] investments, across all

[2:47:28] districts the average was second

[2:47:28] to streets and sidewalks.

[2:47:29] People want to see investments

[2:47:32] in public health.

[2:47:35] [Lapse in audio] I would like to

[2:47:38] see increased spending on the

[2:47:40] health justice slide.

[2:47:43] I'm excited about a lot of these

[2:47:45] things.

[2:47:46] [Lapse in audio] Several of our

[2:47:48] districts, including district 2.

[2:47:51] We have the food deserts.

[2:47:55] We have a huge [Lapse in audio]

[2:47:58] Quality produce and other

[2:48:00] healthy food options.

[2:48:03] I would like to -- I'm going to

[2:48:04] keep my comments short, but I

[2:48:06] would like to sometime in this

[2:48:08] upcoming week discuss this

[2:48:10] program as it relates to

[2:48:11] district 2.

[2:48:12] I'd also like to go to the

[2:48:18] mental health slide.

[2:48:20] Where is establishing the

[2:48:23] restorative justice within the

[2:48:26] minimum of five school campuses,

[2:48:28] when will those be decided?

[2:48:31] >> we have relationships with

[2:48:33] different ISDs and different

[2:48:34] schools because of the work

[2:48:37] we've been doing through the

[2:48:39] trauma informed care consortium.

[2:48:43] There's lot of synergy between

[2:48:44] [Lapse in audio] And restorative

[2:48:45] justice, especially in the

[2:48:46] school setting.

[2:48:47] So the schools, there are a

[2:48:48] number of schools that have

[2:48:50] really stepped it up and

[2:48:52] provided leadership around this

[2:48:52] trauma-informed care work that

[2:48:55] we're doing.

[2:48:56] We would want to partner with

[2:48:58] them to take it to the next

[2:48:58] level.

[2:49:00] But these would be deepening

[2:49:02] existing partnerships to start,

[2:49:05] and then once we see how that

[2:49:07] works, then we would go out to

[2:49:08] other schools.

[2:49:08] >> absolutely.

[2:49:17] Thank you.

[2:49:19] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[2:49:20] COUNCILMAN.

[2:49:21] Councilmember perry.

[2:49:21] >> Perry: thank you.

[2:49:22] I appreciate it.

[2:49:26] Slide 8.

[2:49:27] We talked about people wanting

[2:49:32] to increase the budgets.

[2:49:32] Great.

[2:49:34] But along with those increases,

[2:49:37] you know, this is new money, the

[2:49:41] 12 million, 17 million.

[2:49:42] Where is that money going to

[2:49:42] come from?

[2:49:44] I know it's a general fund, but

[2:49:47] what are we going to cut?

[2:49:48] We don't just grow money on

[2:49:50] trees to fund these programs.

[2:49:52] What are we cutting in order to

[2:49:53] fund these programs in the

[2:49:56] future, from the general fund?

[2:50:02] >> well, COUNCILMAN, year one is

[2:50:03] fiscal year '22.

[2:50:05] What it's showing is based on

[2:50:06] the current allocations that

[2:50:09] we've received from the federal

[2:50:12] government, grants through arpa,

[2:50:14] we see being able to use, just

[2:50:19] like we did with the recovery

[2:50:21] funds, rely on those funding

[2:50:23] first, and we're doing that

[2:50:26] through the first two years.

[2:50:28] Most of year three and four and

[2:50:29] five we'll need to find

[2:50:32] additional funding for.

[2:50:36] Whether that is arpa phase 2

[2:50:38] money, that has to be spent by

[2:50:40] 2026, which is within that

[2:50:41] five-year time frame, whether it

[2:50:45] is a portion of general fund,

[2:50:46] whether, as we sit here a year

[2:50:49] from now, the federal government

[2:50:51] pushes out another [Lapse in

[2:50:52] audio] In health grants.

[2:50:53] I think the federal government

[2:50:55] is going to treat health

[2:50:55] departments like they did fire

[2:50:56] departments after 9/11 for some

[2:50:59] time.

[2:51:01] So we're going to have to

[2:51:03] continue to manage and monitor

[2:51:06] and adjust this so that we

[2:51:09] smooth those peaks out.

[2:51:11] But the concept and elements

[2:51:15] that DR. Bridger's presented is

[2:51:18] an aggressive undertaking

[2:51:20] towards the health outcomes in

[2:51:21] our community.

[2:51:23] >> Perry: that is pretty

[2:51:23] aggressive.

[2:51:26] I've got concerns with the

[2:51:28] general fund, showing it right

[2:51:29] there, with the majority, or all

[2:51:31] of the funding here with the

[2:51:33] four years coming out of the

[2:51:35] general fund.

[2:51:39] You know, you've got to cut

[2:51:40] something to be able to pay for

[2:51:45] that.

[2:51:46] Any thoughts?

[2:51:47] >> I was going to say, that's

[2:51:49] another option.

[2:51:54] I mean, for the new

[2:51:55] councilmembers, we make cuts in

[2:51:58] our budget as well, to

[2:52:00] prioritize -- to fund higher

[2:52:02] priority items.

[2:52:03] That's an option as well as we

[2:52:06] go through that journey in

[2:52:08] reallocating existing budgets,

[2:52:08] absolutely.

[2:52:10] >> Perry: I'm concerned about

[2:52:12] that, about those red bars there

[2:52:18] in the general fund.

[2:52:19] We didn't seem to get consensus

[2:52:22] with the homestead on

[2:52:24] projecting, and showing that

[2:52:27] savings in the future.

[2:52:30] so I'm just trying to have some

[2:52:32] equity here between the

[2:52:34] different programs that we're

[2:52:36] looking at here today.

[2:52:38] Anyway, that's my comments.

[2:52:38] Thanks.

[2:52:39] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[2:52:40] councilmember perry.

[2:52:42] Councilmember pelaez.

[2:52:44] >> Pelaez: thank you.

[2:52:46] I'm interested in learning a

[2:52:48] little bit more of the

[2:52:49] cornerstone, about the corner

[2:52:52] store initiative.

[2:52:53] Maybe sometime before JULY 20th,

[2:52:57] you and I can talk about that.

[2:52:59] And the reason is because I've

[2:53:02] been visiting with the

[2:53:03] association of convenience store

[2:53:05] retailers, and the south texas

[2:53:07] emergency association, between

[2:53:08] them we've got about 800 green

[2:53:12] stores in san antonio.

[2:53:15] And I see an opportunity here

[2:53:17] for them to [Lapse in audio]

[2:53:21] Participation in exchange for

[2:53:23] possible downward adjustment of

[2:53:27] the $600 hazmat fee that in

[2:53:28] every other city in the state of

[2:53:30] texas is a hundred bucks.

[2:53:34] And I have yet to hear a reason

[2:53:37] why ours needs to be $500 more

[2:53:37] expensive.

[2:53:39] The mayor and I were also

[2:53:40] talking about possibly

[2:53:42] positioning that adjustment, if

[2:53:46] they were to install ev

[2:53:46] chargers.

[2:53:48] And anyway, something to

[2:53:49] explore.

[2:53:51] >> yeah.

[2:53:52] I thought that's where you were

[2:53:53] going.

[2:53:54] Because I know we've talked

[2:53:55] about that.

[2:53:57] And there's probably really good

[2:53:59] direct tie to the healthy corner

[2:54:03] store for sure.

[2:54:04] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[2:54:06] councilmember pelaez.

[2:54:07] briefly, second round, because

[2:54:09] we are into your lunch break.

[2:54:13] And we're going to discuss

[2:54:13] policing services in the lunch

[2:54:18] period here.

[2:54:20] Quickly, councilmember sandoval

[2:54:22] and then bravo.

[2:54:23] >> Sandoval: I want to say I

[2:54:25] think we're so far ahead of

[2:54:26] where we were when I came

[2:54:29] onboard, after bridger, and it's

[2:54:31] great to be here three, four

[2:54:32] years later with you.

[2:54:34] And I also want to thank the

[2:54:37] mayor for creating the health

[2:54:38] committee, and obviously a lot

[2:54:40] of this discussion is due to the

[2:54:41] pandemic, but I also think that

[2:54:43] the stars are aligned and we

[2:54:45] have the right people and the

[2:54:47] right direction at the right

[2:54:48] time.

[2:54:51] And I hope we don't stop at 20.

[2:54:52] And I appreciate the additional

[2:54:53] support from the councilmembers

[2:54:55] to continue to grow this budget

[2:54:57] for a better community.

[2:54:57] Thank you.

[2:55:01] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you.

[2:55:04] Councilmember sandoval.

[2:55:05] Councilmember bravo.

[2:55:07] >> I was hoping to provide a

[2:55:11] segway to the police services.

[2:55:12] [Lapse in audio] When we're

[2:55:14] talking about restorative

[2:55:15] justice programs, that this is

[2:55:18] working towards community-based

[2:55:21] violence prevention.

[2:55:22] And we've heard our police chief

[2:55:26] say that they can't do that job

[2:55:28] alone, and [Lapse in audio] Our

[2:55:30] way out of these problems.

[2:55:30] Right?

[2:55:31] We would be building our

[2:55:34] community capacity to perform

[2:55:35] restorative justice through this

[2:55:36] program, that would make our

[2:55:38] city safe, but it will help

[2:55:40] break the cycles in

[2:55:41] third-generation incarceration

[2:55:42] and move away from a system of

[2:55:45] mass incarceration.

[2:55:47] And by doing that, we also are

[2:55:49] going to free up law enforcement

[2:55:50] resources.

[2:55:52] Work on other projects here in

[2:55:52] our community.

[2:55:54] So I want to make sure

[2:55:56] everybody's mindful of that.

[2:55:59] And I skipped over adverse

[2:55:59] childhood experiences.

[2:56:01] I wanted to go back to that,

[2:56:03] because it's so important, that

[2:56:04] I think everybody in this room

[2:56:05] is aware of that.

[2:56:07] Can you tell us a little bit

[2:56:10] more about the childhood adverse

[2:56:12] experiences.

[2:56:12] >> my favorite thing that I've

[2:56:13] worked on.

[2:56:16] So adverse childhood

[2:56:17] experiences, trauma that you

[2:56:21] experience while you're a child.

[2:56:22] It changes the structure of your

[2:56:24] brain and how it interacts with

[2:56:26] your body, in a way that puts

[2:56:30] people at higher risk for

[2:56:33] chronic diseases and, you know,

[2:56:33] mental and behave

[2:56:34] ioral health

[2:56:35] issues as well.

[2:56:41] And so I would be happy [Lapse

[2:56:43] in audio] Another presentation

[2:56:45] if people would be interested, I

[2:56:46] would be happy to come to your

[2:56:49] office and go through it.

[2:56:50] It's my absolute favorite thing

[2:56:52] to talk about.

[2:56:53] >> we would be interested.

[2:56:53] >> Mayor Nirenberg: erik, just

[2:56:57] to put an earmark on this one,

[2:56:59] we're going to have a

[2:57:00] departmental briefing during the

[2:57:01] budget session, right?

[2:57:02] Get into things like that?

[2:57:04] >> absolutely.

[2:57:05] >> Mayor Nirenberg: okay.

[2:57:07] Just to put a bow on this

[2:57:08] discussion, and move right into

[2:57:09] policing services.

[2:57:13] just for process-wise, council,

[2:57:16] I will literally -- well, we

[2:57:18] won't take a break at all.

[2:57:21] I'll ask you if you can bring

[2:57:22] your food back, we'll do a

[2:57:27] little bit of a transition

[2:57:28] between ser

[2:57:28] [Lapse in audio].

[2:57:30] We've been talking about

[2:57:31] funding.

[2:57:32] I also don't want to see us at

[2:57:33] the bottom in terms of

[2:57:34] investment in public health.

[2:57:37] I think it's very difficult to

[2:57:39] get an apple-to-apple comparison

[2:57:42] just because of the segmentation

[2:57:44] of the different departments,

[2:57:46] county and city investments.

[2:57:48] I'm all for making sure that

[2:57:51] we're prioritizing public

[2:57:52] spending, which in my mind if

[2:57:53] we're going to talk about, are

[2:57:56] we doing a good job, it is, are

[2:57:59] we improving the health outcomes

[2:58:00] of our community.

[2:58:01] That's as basic as you can get.

[2:58:03] Making sure that our community

[2:58:05] is healthy and well, and that's

[2:58:09] how we ultimately judge our

[2:58:10] performance.

[2:58:13] But as we -- in terms of growing

[2:58:15] the budget, what I'll be looking

[2:58:18] for, number one, is it

[2:58:18] sustainable.

[2:58:21] Are we vulnerable to the impacts

[2:58:22] of grant funding at the federal

[2:58:26] or state level, and two, do we

[2:58:27] have a direction for those

[2:58:28] dollars.

[2:58:29] We can increase the budget, but

[2:58:33] if we don't know what we're

[2:58:35] increasing the budget for, we're

[2:58:36] missing the point.

[2:58:39] We want to see us do better, and

[2:58:41] I think it's among the highest

[2:58:43] priorities we have in terms of

[2:58:44] judging our performance overall

[2:58:45] in terms of an organization.

[2:58:47] I want to make sure we're going

[2:58:49] to it eyes wide open.

[2:58:52] erik, let me toss it back to you

[2:58:52] respond and then you can

[2:58:52] transition us.

[2:58:56] >> yeah.

[2:58:58] I wasn't going to respond to

[2:59:00] that, mayor, you summed it up

[2:59:00] perfectly.

[2:59:09] I wanted to point out, I want to

[2:59:14] thank DR.

[2:59:17] >> she'll be here through

[2:59:18] JULY 20th, it's not the

[2:59:22] end, and we have been

[2:59:23] keeping claude jacob

[2:59:24] updated of this plan.

[2:59:27] He will start on

[2:59:28] JULY 6th, and

[2:59:29] DR. Bridger's last day

[2:59:31] will be JULY 20th, and

[2:59:32] there will be probably a

[2:59:34] small party, but -- but

[2:59:35] thank you, colleen, I

[2:59:36] just wanted to remind the

[2:59:51] council.

[2:59:51] [Applause]

[2:59:52] >> Mayor Nirenberg: can

[2:59:54] I make one rk, if folks

[2:59:56] are going to get up and

[2:59:58] grab a plate, no more

[3:00:00] than two councilmembers

[3:00:02] leave at any one time.

[3:00:03] Just wait until somebody

[3:00:04] comes back to go forward.

[3:00:06] Go ahead, maria.

[3:00:07] >> sure.

[3:00:08] Before I get into the

[3:00:09] details of this

[3:00:10] presentation, just wanted

[3:00:11] to make a couple of

[3:00:12] points.

[3:00:13] The reason why we

[3:00:15] scheduled this meeting

[3:00:15] after the public health

[3:00:17] meeting is because

[3:00:18] there's a lot of

[3:00:20] connections between the

[3:00:22] work that are you seeing

[3:00:23] and the strategic growth

[3:00:26] plan and the framework of

[3:00:26] recommendations we're

[3:00:27] going to present to the

[3:00:28] council today, so you

[3:00:29] will see a lot of

[3:00:30] connections there.

[3:00:31] The other point want to

[3:00:32] makes a I present to you

[3:00:34] an update on the project,

[3:00:36] and the framework for the

[3:00:38] recommendations, in terms

[3:00:38] of additional investment

[3:00:40] to be able to do some of

[3:00:43] the recommendations here

[3:00:45] today, you saw during the

[3:00:46] trial budget presentation

[3:00:48] that there are some set

[3:00:50] asides for public health

[3:00:52] in terms of mental health

[3:00:53] and domestic violence and

[3:00:55] the growth of the

[3:00:57] strategic plan as well a

[3:00:58] homelessness.

[3:01:00] I wanted to keep that

[3:01:01] tie, so when you hear the

[3:01:02] framework, you keep that

[3:01:03] in mind.

[3:01:04] So you have seen in the

[3:01:06] past, we started this

[3:01:07] work when the city

[3:01:09] manager provided a

[3:01:10] framework for the review

[3:01:11] of police services in

[3:01:13] AUGUST of 2020.

[3:01:15] We have provided this

[3:01:16] presentation to our

[3:01:18] public safety committee

[3:01:20] last week on the 23rd,

[3:01:21] and the last update that

[3:01:23] we made to the full

[3:01:25] council for this project

[3:01:26] was on MAY 5th.

[3:01:27] So this is our second

[3:01:28] update to the full

[3:01:29] council.

[3:01:30] So the work that we're

[3:01:32] doing is divided in four

[3:01:34] pillars, the first one is

[3:01:35] addressing foundational

[3:01:37] issues, and this includes

[3:01:38] areas of accountability,

[3:01:40] our discipline process

[3:01:41] within the police

[3:01:43] department, hiring and

[3:01:44] training, transparency

[3:01:46] and data and community

[3:01:47] engagement.

[3:01:48] And I waft want to

[3:01:49] highlight on the

[3:01:50] discipline process, this

[3:01:52] is part of our collective

[3:01:53] bargaining agreement, and

[3:01:54] the city is currently

[3:01:55] negotiating with the

[3:01:57] police officer's

[3:01:58] association to make

[3:01:59] changes to our

[3:02:01] disciplinary process.

[3:02:03] Those negotiations are on

[3:02:04] going, and actually our

[3:02:06] next meeting with the

[3:02:07] association is on

[3:02:08] JULY 8th, so we'll

[3:02:09] continue to make -- to

[3:02:10] have conversations with

[3:02:10] them.

[3:02:12] We've made some progress

[3:02:14] in some of the areas of

[3:02:15] discipline that were

[3:02:16] priorities to the city.

[3:02:19] For example, the 180 day

[3:02:21] rule which is when the

[3:02:21] police chief has the

[3:02:23] ability to discipline an

[3:02:24] employee under the

[3:02:26] current contract, it's

[3:02:28] 180 days from the date of

[3:02:29] the incident.

[3:02:31] In negotiations with the

[3:02:32] association, we have

[3:02:35] consensus to transition

[3:02:36] to 180 days from the day

[3:02:39] that the chief knew or

[3:02:40] should have known for

[3:02:41] major incidents, just to

[3:02:43] give you an example.

[3:02:44] The area of arbitration,

[3:02:45] which is one of the

[3:02:47] highest priority of the

[3:02:48] city, as we presented it

[3:02:49] to the council, we

[3:02:52] continue to have

[3:02:54] discussions on the 30 of

[3:02:55] the arbitrator.

[3:02:57] Our goal is that the

[3:02:59] final decision is

[3:03:00] achieved, and we'll

[3:03:01] continue to have those

[3:03:02] corporations with the

[3:03:02] association.

[3:03:04] The next pillar on our

[3:03:08] project is expectations,

[3:03:10] and -- excuse me, while

[3:03:11] we're trying to identify

[3:03:13] it is what is the role of

[3:03:14] the police department.

[3:03:15] What are those

[3:03:17] expectations that our

[3:03:17] community is wanting to

[3:03:20] have with our police

[3:03:21] officers?

[3:03:22] The input process is very

[3:03:23] important in this

[3:03:24] project.

[3:03:26] Input from our community

[3:03:27] stakeholder groups, our

[3:03:28] city council, and our

[3:03:29] public safety committee

[3:03:30] who is overseeing this

[3:03:31] project.

[3:03:33] And finally, on the

[3:03:35] response alternatives,

[3:03:37] the city manager laid out

[3:03:39] three priorities -- thank

[3:03:41] you -- including domestic

[3:03:43] violence, homelessness

[3:03:46] and mental health.

[3:03:48] So an update on our

[3:03:49] community input process,

[3:03:50] we started in FEBRUARY,

[3:03:52] and the community input

[3:03:54] process ended this month

[3:03:54] of JUNE.

[3:03:56] We did a scientific

[3:03:57] survey from FEBRUARY

[3:03:57] through MARCH.

[3:03:59] We took the results of

[3:04:03] that scientific survey to

[3:04:05] get qualitative data from

[3:04:06] our community in terms of

[3:04:07] what it means to each of

[3:04:08] our neighborhoods.

[3:04:10] We did a total of 27

[3:04:10] meetings with our

[3:04:12] neighborhoods.

[3:04:14] We also had community

[3:04:15] conversations, meetings

[3:04:17] with stakeholder groups,

[3:04:18] and also we engage our

[3:04:19] police officers to also

[3:04:20] get their input for this

[3:04:22] process.

[3:04:23] So 27 community meetings

[3:04:25] in total, a total of 12

[3:04:26] stakeholder meetings,

[3:04:28] with a total of 62

[3:04:30] different groups that

[3:04:33] were engaged in these

[3:04:34] conversations, and then

[3:04:35] we conducted a survey in

[3:04:38] the police department

[3:04:40] with 826 responses, in a

[3:04:43] meeting with roughly

[3:04:43] about 60 police officers.

[3:04:46] Now, what we heard from

[3:04:47] the community

[3:04:49] organizations, as we went

[3:04:50] back to the results that

[3:04:52] we got on the scientific

[3:04:53] survey, one of the

[3:04:55] questions we wanted to

[3:04:57] know is how can the

[3:04:58] police department build

[3:04:59] better community

[3:05:01] relationships with the

[3:05:01] public?

[3:05:03] What we heard from those

[3:05:04] 27 meetings is one of the

[3:05:07] priorities is our safe

[3:05:08] program, and I think that

[3:05:11] those of you on the

[3:05:11] meetings with your

[3:05:13] council districts.

[3:05:14] [Lapse in audio]

[3:05:15] Community based policing

[3:05:17] program was another area

[3:05:19] where the community

[3:05:20] indicates that we can

[3:05:22] build better

[3:05:22] relationships in

[3:05:23] involvement with you.

[3:05:24] Another area that we

[3:05:26] wanted to get further

[3:05:27] clarification from the

[3:05:29] survey is one of the

[3:05:30] questions we asked is do

[3:05:32] you feel safe at night in

[3:05:33] your neighborhood?

[3:05:36] And we found that

[3:05:38] overall, over 50% of the

[3:05:40] respondents felt safe,

[3:05:41] but there were areas in

[3:05:43] our cities, specifically

[3:05:44] district 3 and district

[3:05:46] 4, that indicated we

[3:05:46] don't feel safe.

[3:05:49] So to that effect, the

[3:05:50] police chief has started

[3:05:51] meetings with those

[3:05:52] neighborhood associations

[3:05:53] to try to identify what

[3:05:55] we can do better, but

[3:05:58] when we ask the question,

[3:05:59] what we heard is street

[3:06:01] lighting is one of the

[3:06:02] priorities, and not only

[3:06:04] of those districts, but

[3:06:04] of all the community

[3:06:06] conversations that we

[3:06:07] had, getting to know

[3:06:09] their neighbors better,

[3:06:10] having neighborhood watch

[3:06:11] programs and personal

[3:06:13] security systems.

[3:06:14] Another area that we

[3:06:17] wanted to get more

[3:06:18] qualitative data from our

[3:06:21] community is how should

[3:06:22] the disability increase?

[3:06:23] We asked that question in

[3:06:25] the survey, and when we

[3:06:28] asked the question at the

[3:06:29] community conversations,

[3:06:31] what we got is more

[3:06:33] community involvement

[3:06:35] from our police officers

[3:06:36] with neighborhood

[3:06:36] associations,

[3:06:39] neighborhood events,

[3:06:40] getting to know the

[3:06:44] community, more practical

[3:06:44] patrols, walking around

[3:06:45] the neighborhoods getting

[3:06:47] to know the neighborhood

[3:06:48] and the community.

[3:06:50] In the area of what is

[3:06:53] the most impactful type

[3:06:55] of call that we can have

[3:06:57] an alternative response

[3:06:59] to having sapd being the

[3:07:01] primary response to a 911

[3:07:03] call that we received,

[3:07:04] mental health and

[3:07:05] substance abuse calls

[3:07:06] that involve a weapon was

[3:07:09] the number one call.

[3:07:11] Animal related calls was

[3:07:12] the second one.

[3:07:13] Followed to no change to

[3:07:15] the current way that we

[3:07:16] deliver services to our

[3:07:18] community.

[3:07:19] I'm going to transition

[3:07:20] now to some of the

[3:07:22] comments that we heard

[3:07:24] from stakeholder groups.

[3:07:25] And you will see that

[3:07:27] some of this that you're

[3:07:29] going to hear from the

[3:07:30] groups and also from our

[3:07:32] community health and

[3:07:34] equity, the work that

[3:07:36] metro health is doing in

[3:07:36] their strategic growth

[3:07:38] plan.

[3:07:39] So in terms of

[3:07:40] alternative responses,

[3:07:41] mental health response,

[3:07:43] trauma with a

[3:07:44] trauma-informed care

[3:07:47] framework was one of the

[3:07:48] priorities, having

[3:07:50] spanish speaking crisis

[3:07:51] response team members,

[3:07:53] assisting officers at

[3:07:55] calls, specifically

[3:07:56] domestic violence, in

[3:07:58] terms of data and

[3:07:59] transparency, as we are

[3:08:00] trying to update our

[3:08:02] website, and we want to

[3:08:03] know what is important to

[3:08:04] the community, more

[3:08:06] information on our racial

[3:08:07] profiling report, deep

[3:08:08] data nalts

[3:08:11] analysis on traffic

[3:08:13] stop and stop outcomes,

[3:08:14] and in terms of

[3:08:15] engagement with a

[3:08:16] community, what we heard

[3:08:17] also is that our

[3:08:18] community members want to

[3:08:21] get to know officers at a

[3:08:22] more personal level.

[3:08:23] They indicated that they

[3:08:26] would like our officers

[3:08:28] to engage under the

[3:08:30] offduty time, not wearing

[3:08:31] a uniform, to develop

[3:08:32] those relationships with

[3:08:34] our community.

[3:08:35] Now, moving to what we

[3:08:37] heard from our police

[3:08:38] officers, as we wanted

[3:08:39] also to make sure that

[3:08:41] you hear their input, one

[3:08:43] of the questions that we

[3:08:45] asked them is what is the

[3:08:47] level of agreement with

[3:08:48] what you heard from the

[3:08:50] community, the top five

[3:08:52] calls where sapd perhaps

[3:08:56] doesn't take a primary

[3:08:57] role, and of the six

[3:08:59] calls, five of them, the

[3:09:00] police officers agree,

[3:09:02] more than 50% said, yes,

[3:09:03] we agree with the

[3:09:05] community saying

[3:09:06] animal-related calls

[3:09:06] shouldn't be a call for

[3:09:09] the police officers to

[3:09:10] address enforcement of

[3:09:12] public health orders,

[3:09:13] parking violations, and

[3:09:15] mental health and

[3:09:17] substance abuse not

[3:09:18] involving a weapon.

[3:09:19] We also asked them what

[3:09:21] are the top three goals

[3:09:22] that you think sapd

[3:09:25] should not have primary

[3:09:25] responsibility?

[3:09:28] And you see on the

[3:09:30] screen, loud music, child

[3:09:32] custody visitation

[3:09:33] violations and fireworks.

[3:09:36] Now, we also did a survey

[3:09:38] through our sa speak up

[3:09:39] platform to get some

[3:09:40] ideas on what the

[3:09:43] community wants to see on

[3:09:44] our website and how they

[3:09:46] want to get information

[3:09:48] from sapd.

[3:09:49] Not also from our

[3:09:50] website, but also social

[3:09:51] media outlets.

[3:09:53] So what we heard that the

[3:09:54] top three preferred

[3:09:56] methods to get

[3:09:57] information is the

[3:09:58] website, text messages,

[3:10:00] and the combination of

[3:10:01] social media platforms.

[3:10:02] They -- the information

[3:10:04] that they would like to

[3:10:06] receive or to have

[3:10:07] included in our website

[3:10:10] is an interactive crime

[3:10:12] data map, realtime police

[3:10:14] emergency text alerts,

[3:10:16] and daily updates on

[3:10:18] major public safety

[3:10:19] incidents.

[3:10:20] Additionally, the day

[3:10:21] that they would like to

[3:10:23] see included is a police

[3:10:24] officer discipline

[3:10:26] records, internal affairs

[3:10:28] annual reports, and that

[3:10:31] clearance rates for sapd,

[3:10:33] which is the ratio of

[3:10:34] arrests to known

[3:10:36] offenses.

[3:10:37] Now, our community health

[3:10:39] and equity committee was

[3:10:41] also charged with looking

[3:10:43] at three areas by the

[3:10:45] mayor, back in JUNE of

[3:10:48] 2020, and that included

[3:10:49] mental health, gender and

[3:10:50] racial equity.

[3:10:53] So this is some of the

[3:10:54] highlights of the

[3:10:55] recommendations that we

[3:10:57] received the public

[3:10:58] safety committee received

[3:10:59] from community health and

[3:11:00] equity, so I'm just going

[3:11:01] to highlight a few of

[3:11:02] those.

[3:11:03] So in terms of mental

[3:11:05] health, the

[3:11:06] recommendations are

[3:11:09] aligned with our current

[3:11:10] review of our response

[3:11:13] model for mental health

[3:11:15] calls, that is being done

[3:11:17] by the meadows

[3:11:18] foundation, and that

[3:11:20] includes residents to

[3:11:22] resources, exploring

[3:11:23] integrating outreach

[3:11:25] specialists like

[3:11:26] promotorras, for example,

[3:11:28] or other professionals to

[3:11:29] those calls that police

[3:11:30] officers respond to,

[3:11:31] evaluating our current

[3:11:32] mental health response,

[3:11:33] and increasing our crisis

[3:11:36] response team, 24 hours a

[3:11:38] day, seven days a week.

[3:11:40] In terms of racial

[3:11:41] equity, examining the

[3:11:43] benefits of engaging

[3:11:45] residents versus

[3:11:45] patrolling, which is

[3:11:46] community policing

[3:11:47] programs that we're

[3:11:48] tackling within our

[3:11:51] police services review,

[3:11:53] and another example in

[3:11:55] the area of gender, a

[3:11:56] better understanding how

[3:12:00] crimes against women in

[3:12:01] lgbtq plus community are

[3:12:03] handled and follow on and

[3:12:10] resolved by sapd.

[3:12:11] Now, in terms of the

[3:12:13] framework for

[3:12:13] recommendations, and

[3:12:14] again, this is where we

[3:12:16] want to get your input

[3:12:17] before we develop final

[3:12:18] recommendations as part

[3:12:20] of the proposed budget,

[3:12:23] so in the areas of mental

[3:12:23] health, domestic

[3:12:25] violence, and

[3:12:29] homelessness, our

[3:12:30] framework is anchor and a

[3:12:32] team approach, not only

[3:12:33] having the police officer

[3:12:34] respond, but having the

[3:12:35] combination of

[3:12:37] professionals and

[3:12:38] advocates, E.M.S., our

[3:12:40] fire department, and the

[3:12:41] police department, to

[3:12:42] have on scene advocates

[3:12:44] that are trained to deal

[3:12:46] with difficulties and

[3:12:47] complexities of the goals

[3:12:49] related again to family

[3:12:50] violence, mental health

[3:12:52] and homelessness.

[3:12:53] Crisis deescalation, and

[3:12:57] then to have a warm

[3:12:59] handup to services that

[3:13:00] maintain that sustained

[3:13:00] report.

[3:13:02] So not only addressing

[3:13:03] that 911 call, but

[3:13:05] following up with the

[3:13:06] victim, the children of

[3:13:07] that household that

[3:13:09] perhaps has a family

[3:13:10] violence case, and also

[3:13:12] with a perpetrator.

[3:13:15] The work that the meadows

[3:13:16] foundation is doing, they

[3:13:17] did a lot of data

[3:13:20] analysis, and tried to

[3:13:22] identify where the calls

[3:13:23] related to mental health

[3:13:24] are coming within our

[3:13:26] city, and what they

[3:13:26] realized is that there

[3:13:28] are a couple of zip

[3:13:29] codes.

[3:13:30] one is close to the

[3:13:31] medical center area and

[3:13:34] another one in our

[3:13:35] downtown area will

[3:13:36] generate most of the

[3:13:37] calls.

[3:13:38] We're continuing to find

[3:13:39] out why we're getting

[3:13:40] those calls, but one of

[3:13:42] the ideas that we have at

[3:13:44] this point is to pilot

[3:13:45] this alternative response

[3:13:46] within one police sub

[3:13:47] station.

[3:13:49] As I mentioned on mental

[3:13:50] health, the

[3:13:53] recommendations from the

[3:13:54] meadows mental health

[3:13:55] policy institute are

[3:13:57] being finalized.

[3:13:58] We -- those were

[3:13:59] presented to community

[3:14:01] health and equity a few

[3:14:02] weeks ago, and the final

[3:14:03] recommendations will come

[3:14:04] to the public safety

[3:14:06] committee in early AUGUST

[3:14:09] and then to the final

[3:14:11] council on AUGUST 12th.

[3:14:12] Preliminary

[3:14:13] recommendations focused

[3:14:14] on a team-based response

[3:14:16] with clinical expertise,

[3:14:17] either on scene or

[3:14:18] available by phone as we

[3:14:20] have some technology now

[3:14:22] that has been introduced

[3:14:23] by our fire department to

[3:14:26] be able to do that via

[3:14:28] phone.

[3:14:29] Domestic violence, the

[3:14:30] framework that we are

[3:14:32] currently reviewing is

[3:14:35] also and on-scene

[3:14:36] team-basis crisis triage

[3:14:38] with links to long-term

[3:14:39] intervention and

[3:14:41] services.

[3:14:42] And COUNCILWOMAN Viagran,

[3:14:44] to your point, not only

[3:14:44] addressing the call at

[3:14:46] the time, but how can we

[3:14:47] help that family and that

[3:14:49] victim long-term?

[3:14:51] In the area of

[3:14:52] homelessness, our

[3:14:54] framework focuses on our

[3:14:56] strategic plan, enhancing

[3:14:57] our provision and

[3:14:58] diversion programs,

[3:14:59] increasing our outreach

[3:15:02] and capacity, and also

[3:15:04] rotating our mobile

[3:15:05] homeless hub.

[3:15:07] Now, in addition to those

[3:15:09] three areas that the city

[3:15:11] manager had laid out and

[3:15:14] his initial framework, we

[3:15:15] are also our framework

[3:15:16] includes improvements to

[3:15:18] our website in terms of

[3:15:20] transparency and data,

[3:15:21] enhancing the website

[3:15:23] more interactive data

[3:15:25] tools, as well as

[3:15:26] segregating data within

[3:15:28] our existing reports.

[3:15:30] In the case of

[3:15:31] alternative response, in

[3:15:32] addition to those goals

[3:15:33] that I mentioned, and

[3:15:35] I'll give you an example

[3:15:35] when I met with our

[3:15:36] police officers and asked

[3:15:38] them what they thought,

[3:15:40] which kind of calls

[3:15:40] perhaps our police

[3:15:42] officers shouldn't be

[3:15:43] addressing, in an example

[3:15:46] they gave me, is for

[3:15:47] instance, if I find a

[3:15:48] bicycle in my front yard,

[3:15:50] I call 911, and we send a

[3:15:52] police officer to make a

[3:15:53] report, pick up that

[3:15:54] bike, and bring it

[3:15:57] downtown to our property

[3:15:57] room.

[3:15:58] So probably not the best

[3:15:59] use of our police

[3:16:00] officers.

[3:16:01] So based on that feedback

[3:16:03] that they provided to us,

[3:16:04] we're going to be

[3:16:04] evaluating those calls

[3:16:06] and see perhaps a

[3:16:08] civilian can handle it.

[3:16:10] And of course, as long as

[3:16:11] there's no evidence

[3:16:13] related to a crime;

[3:16:14] otherwise we have to send

[3:16:15] a police officer, but

[3:16:16] we'll be exploring that

[3:16:17] in the month of JULY.

[3:16:19] And finally, enhancing

[3:16:22] our relationships with

[3:16:24] the community, because of

[3:16:25] covid, we put on hold a

[3:16:27] lot of our programs that

[3:16:28] the police department has

[3:16:30] with our community.

[3:16:31] Those started again in

[3:16:32] the month of JUNE, but

[3:16:33] we're going to be

[3:16:35] exploring ways to enhance

[3:16:36] our safe program, and

[3:16:38] also educate the

[3:16:40] community about our

[3:16:41] existing programs, say

[3:16:42] for example, I think some

[3:16:43] of our community members,

[3:16:47] some of your constituents

[3:16:50] want to call the safe

[3:16:50] police officer when

[3:16:52] there's a code issue, an

[3:16:53] animal-related issue, so

[3:16:55] we, the city, need to do

[3:16:56] a better job in letting

[3:16:57] our community know for

[3:17:01] that type of call, call

[3:17:02] 3-1-1, or these are other

[3:17:03] resources we have

[3:17:03] available outside the

[3:17:04] police department.

[3:17:05] So next steps in this

[3:17:07] process, we are going to

[3:17:08] be preparing

[3:17:09] recommendations in the

[3:17:10] month of JULY.

[3:17:12] We go back to our public

[3:17:13] safety committee on

[3:17:16] AUGUST 2nd to provide the

[3:17:17] draft final

[3:17:17] recommendations and get

[3:17:19] their feedback and then

[3:17:20] the city manager will

[3:17:21] include the final

[3:17:22] recommendations within

[3:17:24] the -- within his

[3:17:25] proposed budget and

[3:17:26] present it to the council

[3:17:27] on AUGUST 12th.

[3:17:28] We will have an

[3:17:29] opportunity for the

[3:17:32] council to look at the

[3:17:33] recommendations in

[3:17:33] detail, an opportunity

[3:17:35] for a community to

[3:17:37] participate and give us

[3:17:38] input before budget

[3:17:39] adoption on

[3:17:41] SEPTEMBER 16th.

[3:17:42] So mayor, that concludes

[3:17:44] my presentation, and

[3:17:46] we'll be happy to take

[3:17:48] any questions.

[3:17:50] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:17:51] great, thank you very

[3:17:53] much, maria, and this is

[3:17:55] a great overview of the

[3:17:56] process that y'all have

[3:17:57] been going through for

[3:18:00] the last several months,

[3:18:01] and I assume we will be

[3:18:03] able to get into a little

[3:18:05] bit more depth on the

[3:18:06] alternative responses and

[3:18:07] what's going to be part

[3:18:08] of the pilot, what is

[3:18:12] going to be adopted

[3:18:13] departmentwide.

[3:18:14] Are all the alternative

[3:18:15] responses right now going

[3:18:17] to be piloted through a

[3:18:19] single sub station or

[3:18:21] some that are going to

[3:18:22] automatically be more

[3:18:23] widely adopted.

[3:18:25] >> so right now

[3:18:27] specifically for mental

[3:18:28] health, domestic

[3:18:29] violence, and

[3:18:31] homelessness, our

[3:18:32] preliminary thoughts is

[3:18:33] to focus in one sub

[3:18:35] station, to see if our

[3:18:37] new way of handling this

[3:18:39] goals is going to work,

[3:18:40] be able to measure it,

[3:18:42] before we expand it

[3:18:42] citywide.

[3:18:43] Those are alternatives

[3:18:44] that I mentioned.

[3:18:47] We MAY be able do those

[3:18:47] citywide, like for

[3:18:50] example, picking up found

[3:18:52] property on private

[3:18:53] property.

[3:18:54] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:18:54] okay.

[3:18:55] Do we have any of the

[3:18:57] crime statistics so far

[3:18:58] through the duration of

[3:19:00] the year?

[3:19:01] >> we do.

[3:19:08] I don't have a slide to

[3:19:09] put on the screen, but we

[3:19:10] do.

[3:19:11] So just overall, our

[3:19:13] crime is down for the

[3:19:13] first -- through the

[3:19:17] month of APRIL, calendar

[3:19:18] year 2021 compared to

[3:19:18] 2020.

[3:19:21] So overall, crime is

[3:19:22] down, and I'll be happy

[3:19:25] to get those statistics,

[3:19:26] maybe after a break.

[3:19:27] We do have them with us.

[3:19:28] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:19:28] okay.

[3:19:31] You know, talking with my

[3:19:32] peers in the bigger

[3:19:34] cities, there's a very

[3:19:36] serious surge of violent

[3:19:39] crime, gun violence

[3:19:40] anticipated as a

[3:19:43] result -- or as we've

[3:19:44] started to emerge from

[3:19:45] the pandemic.

[3:19:46] i'm curious as to where

[3:19:49] we are relative to

[3:19:51] those -- to those cities.

[3:19:53] Not quite clear on what

[3:19:54] the trends are with

[3:19:56] property crimes, but I

[3:19:57] would also be interested

[3:19:58] in seeing how we're doing

[3:19:59] there.

[3:20:00] I will say I've spent

[3:20:02] some time with stand up

[3:20:04] sa, and the work that's

[3:20:06] being done with violence

[3:20:07] prevention cure, the cure

[3:20:08] violence model, and

[3:20:09] what's going on with

[3:20:10] violence disruption in

[3:20:11] the neighborhoods.

[3:20:12] I've been very impressed,

[3:20:14] so I hope that part of

[3:20:16] our plan, whether that's

[3:20:17] within the violence

[3:20:18] prevention division or

[3:20:19] within policing

[3:20:20] resources, that we're

[3:20:21] continuing to augment

[3:20:23] that and expand it to the

[3:20:24] extent that we can.

[3:20:25] The one update I would

[3:20:27] like to have, and I heard

[3:20:28] this quite a bit, there

[3:20:29] are certain hotspots that

[3:20:31] we continue to see in our

[3:20:31] city.

[3:20:33] One of them is over by

[3:20:35] the strip, in district 1,

[3:20:38] and so is there an update

[3:20:39] on -- I don't remember

[3:20:40] what the program was

[3:20:42] called, but it was about

[3:20:43] foe

[3:20:46] focusing on specific

[3:20:46] nighttime active areas to

[3:20:49] make sure that we have

[3:20:50] the proper visibility and

[3:20:51] patrols happening, and

[3:20:52] are we seeing any results

[3:20:54] from that?

[3:20:56] >> I think we're seeing

[3:20:58] more results from

[3:20:58] satisfaction of the

[3:20:59] community.

[3:21:01] We talked specifically

[3:21:04] about the north st.

[3:21:05] Mary's strip.

[3:21:06] We actually -- most of

[3:21:08] what we're seeing up

[3:21:10] there are order

[3:21:11] maintenance type issues

[3:21:12] after the bars close,

[3:21:14] after the food trucks are

[3:21:16] done vending.

[3:21:18] People are wandering back

[3:21:20] into the neighborhood --

[3:21:24] neighborhoods and causing

[3:21:25] disturbances everything

[3:21:26] from urinating in public

[3:21:28] to sex acts, you know, in

[3:21:31] between parked cars.

[3:21:32] Loud noise.

[3:21:34] That's what the neighbors

[3:21:36] are upset about.

[3:21:37] Some -- occasionally

[3:21:39] they're hearing gunshots,

[3:21:40] nobody being shot, but

[3:21:44] people just firing guns.

[3:21:46] We've got street crimes

[3:21:48] working in those areas,

[3:21:49] thursday, friday,

[3:21:51] saturday nights.

[3:22:00] We received some fairly

[3:22:01] positive feedback from

[3:22:02] the community back there

[3:22:03] about that coverage

[3:22:05] during those notes, we'll

[3:22:05] continue that until we

[3:22:07] come up with some other

[3:22:08] alternatives.

[3:22:08] Putting street crimes up

[3:22:10] there is not to answer to

[3:22:11] those issues.

[3:22:13] We've got, you know, two

[3:22:14] worlds colonel

[3:22:18] colliding with the

[3:22:19] bars and the clubs and

[3:22:20] the residential

[3:22:21] neighborhood.

[3:22:26] That's an issue, and I

[3:22:29] don't know if we've come

[3:22:31] to any decision on what

[3:22:32] the best solution is for

[3:22:32] that.

[3:22:34] We're working with the

[3:22:35] councilmember in that

[3:22:36] regard, right now I think

[3:22:38] we've got a handle on it,

[3:22:39] at least temporarily.

[3:22:40] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:22:41] thank you, chief.

[3:22:42] One question while you're

[3:22:43] up here.

[3:22:45] Where are we with the

[3:22:46] recommendations that

[3:22:47] department professionals

[3:22:48] have with respect to

[3:22:51] vacancies going into

[3:22:51] fy22.

[3:22:53] >> with respect to

[3:22:54] vacancies?

[3:22:54] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:22:55] right.

[3:22:56] Are we where we need to

[3:22:59] be with uniform

[3:22:59] positions?

[3:23:00] >> we continue to fill

[3:23:01] our academy classes.

[3:23:03] We have one starting in

[3:23:05] JULY, but we have not had

[3:23:07] a vacancy issue for quite

[3:23:08] a few years now.

[3:23:10] No problem filling --

[3:23:12] filling those academy

[3:23:12] classes.

[3:23:12] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:23:16] okay.

[3:23:16] Great.

[3:23:18] >> I'll just -- really,

[3:23:19] it's been for the last

[3:23:21] year, because it took us

[3:23:23] awhile to get out of the

[3:23:25] hole we were in in terms

[3:23:31] of vacancies, so back in

[3:23:33] 2016, 2017, classes were

[3:23:36] delayed, and I'll remind

[3:23:37] the councilmembers that

[3:23:38] were here, we had to make

[3:23:39] a deliberate attempt to

[3:23:40] try to get out, we got

[3:23:42] over the -- we were

[3:23:45] actually overhired last

[3:23:46] summer. I think as it

[3:23:47] stands right now, we're

[3:23:50] at either 18 or 19

[3:23:50] vacancies.

[3:23:51] >> 18 vacancies.

[3:23:52] >> and we have two

[3:23:54] classes in the academy, a

[3:23:55] third one starting in the

[3:23:57] summer, so frankly, both

[3:23:58] departments -- both

[3:24:00] police and fire, our mode

[3:24:02] of operation is to stay

[3:24:03] ahead of the curve

[3:24:04] because I think we all

[3:24:07] learned in 2016-2017, we

[3:24:08] start falling behind in

[3:24:09] those areas, it take as

[3:24:11] long time to get out of

[3:24:11] the hole.

[3:24:12] >> Mayor Nirenberg: and

[3:24:13] we will have a department

[3:24:14] briefing and we don't

[3:24:16] have the actual budget

[3:24:18] numbers, but with respect

[3:24:19] to growth, the budget, is

[3:24:22] it in line with our

[3:24:23] overall budget growth?

[3:24:24] >> mayor, that is part of

[3:24:26] the detailed work we'll

[3:24:27] do in JULY, but it likely

[3:24:28] will be.

[3:24:31] We have not finalized

[3:24:33] obviously an agreement

[3:24:35] with the police officer's

[3:24:35] association.

[3:24:36] Our financial position

[3:24:38] right now, included with

[3:24:41] the trial budget and the

[3:24:42] forecast, we included

[3:24:43] what we offered the

[3:24:44] police officer's

[3:24:45] association, which was

[3:24:48] zero in 2022, and then

[3:24:49] there will be other

[3:24:51] operational adjustments,

[3:24:52] but I suspect it will be

[3:24:54] very much in line if not

[3:24:56] below the overall budget.

[3:24:58] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:24:58] thank, erik.

[3:24:59] thank you, chief.

[3:25:01] >> mayor, I can comment

[3:25:03] on the crime numbers if

[3:25:04] you --

[3:25:04] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:25:05] sure, if you have them.

[3:25:06] We're looking at the

[3:25:08] stats that are officially

[3:25:09] recognized by the F.B.I.,

[3:25:10] that we report to the

[3:25:11] F.B.I.

[3:25:12] These are official, but

[3:25:13] they're not official

[3:25:14] until they're verified by

[3:25:16] the F.B.I., not verified,

[3:25:18] but blessed by the F.B.I.

[3:25:21] So for the first four

[3:25:22] months, for the first

[3:25:22] three months, for the

[3:25:23] first quarter of this

[3:25:24] year, we have a drop in

[3:25:26] violent crime, and that

[3:25:27] is homicide, robbery,

[3:25:29] rape and assault,

[3:25:30] aggravated assault.

[3:25:35] Those numbers are down

[3:25:36] 14.8%.

[3:25:41] 6% drop in homicide, 34%

[3:25:43] drop in rape.

[3:25:45] 39% drop in robbery.

[3:25:47] And assault is about 3%

[3:25:48] for 14.8.

[3:25:49] And in property, we're

[3:25:51] looking at burglary,

[3:25:52] larceny, and vehicle

[3:25:52] theft.

[3:25:54] We have decreases in

[3:25:55] all -- two of those --

[3:25:59] two out of three.

[3:26:03] Burglary were down 28%,

[3:26:04] larceny, 13.8, and

[3:26:06] vehicle theft is the only

[3:26:07] category that is up by

[3:26:08] 3%.

[3:26:10] So there's a drop of

[3:26:12] 13.8% there.

[3:26:14] So we're down both

[3:26:16] categories around 14%,

[3:26:18] and that actually has

[3:26:19] extended through MAY of

[3:26:20] this year as well.

[3:26:21] >> Mayor Nirenberg: so

[3:26:23] that is year over year,

[3:26:26] first quarter or through

[3:26:26] MAY?

[3:26:28] >> threw MAY.

[3:26:30] That's first quarter, but

[3:26:31] those numbers have been

[3:26:32] pretty consistent through

[3:26:32] MAY.

[3:26:33] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:26:33] okay.

[3:26:36] Year over year stats?

[3:26:36] That's good.

[3:26:37] Very good.

[3:26:38] Let's get into

[3:26:39] discussion.

[3:26:40] Go to councilmember bravo

[3:26:43] and I've got 10 and 3.

[3:26:43] >> Bravo: thank you

[3:26:44] very much.

[3:26:46] I'm going to go off topic

[3:26:47] just briefly, because I

[3:26:48] want to acknowledge a

[3:26:49] bunch of representatives

[3:26:50] of the cycling community

[3:26:52] that just arrived here

[3:26:53] today to advocate for,

[3:26:56] you know, a safer city

[3:26:57] for cyclists, and for

[3:27:00] more protected bike lanes

[3:27:02] and more connectivity

[3:27:06] here, so I appreciate you

[3:27:10] all coming out just to.

[3:27:12] >> we don't have public

[3:27:12] comment.

[3:27:13] >> we have children,

[3:27:14] we're going to make a

[3:27:15] quick statement --

[3:27:16] >> Bravo: I was not --

[3:27:17] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:27:18] we're going to stay --

[3:27:19] >> sorry, guys, I'll get

[3:27:20] away from the podium.

[3:27:21] Thank you so much, ron,

[3:27:25] thank you so much,

[3:27:26] everybody, for doing what

[3:27:26] you do.

[3:27:26] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:27:27] appreciate y'all being

[3:27:27] here.

[3:27:29] >> sorry for taking y'all

[3:27:31] off topic, just I thought

[3:27:33] mario was saying come on

[3:27:33] over.

[3:27:34] >> Bravo: no, just

[3:27:36] acknowledging you all:

[3:27:37] sorry about that.

[3:27:39] >> sorry for the

[3:27:40] confusion.

[3:27:40] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:27:41] we're glad you're here,

[3:27:43] we're glad for your

[3:27:44] advocacy as well,

[3:27:44] councilmember bravo on

[3:27:47] the topic?

[3:27:47] >> thank you.

[3:27:53] >> Bravo: so back to

[3:27:58] police services, so I had

[3:27:59] initially been hoping to

[3:28:03] be able to look at how

[3:28:04] can -- what can we do

[3:28:05] when it comes to

[3:28:06] accountability for the

[3:28:07] community?

[3:28:08] I was really interesting

[3:28:09] in what can we do in

[3:28:10] order to support the

[3:28:13] community when there is

[3:28:15] an excessive use of force

[3:28:17] incident, and I've been

[3:28:19] since informed that

[3:28:20] there's a model in

[3:28:21] denver, colorado, where

[3:28:22] there are independently

[3:28:23] funded staff that works

[3:28:27] on oversight and

[3:28:28] supporting the community

[3:28:29] in those situations, and

[3:28:31] I've been advised by

[3:28:33] cities -- the city's

[3:28:34] legal department that the

[3:28:35] collective bargaining

[3:28:35] agreement is going to

[3:28:37] help dictate on whether

[3:28:38] or not how we can do

[3:28:39] that, but I am interested

[3:28:41] in making sure that we

[3:28:42] are continuing to explore

[3:28:44] that option, and seeing

[3:28:46] what we can do to support

[3:28:47] the community in those

[3:28:53] circumstances.

[3:28:55] When it comes to district

[3:28:56] 1, I

[3:28:58] I did have the

[3:29:00] pleasure of getting the

[3:29:00] briefing by the police

[3:29:02] chief and his staff, and

[3:29:03] we have begun discussions

[3:29:05] about crime in the

[3:29:06] dellview area, about

[3:29:07] crime in the north st.

[3:29:10] Mary's strip.

[3:29:11] There's -- I want to say

[3:29:13] that when I knocked doors

[3:29:15] in district 1, I probably

[3:29:15] heard more about the

[3:29:17] crime around the north

[3:29:19] st. Mary's strip than I

[3:29:20] did about anything else.

[3:29:21] In tobin hill I heard

[3:29:22] that more than anything

[3:29:23] else, but I MAY have

[3:29:24] heard more about crime

[3:29:25] around the north st.

[3:29:27] Mary's strip than I heard

[3:29:27] about anything else in

[3:29:28] the district.

[3:29:29] It was definitely a top

[3:29:32] issue.

[3:29:33] And so I want to make

[3:29:35] sure that we're focused

[3:29:36] on what we can do to

[3:29:37] support that community.

[3:29:38] In addition, throughout

[3:29:40] the district, I heard

[3:29:41] about complaints about

[3:29:45] frequent gunshots, and it

[3:29:46] ranged across the

[3:29:48] district from hearing

[3:29:50] gunshots several times a

[3:29:51] month to hearing gunshots

[3:29:55] on a daily basis, and

[3:29:58] some members of district

[3:30:00] 1 told me that they've

[3:30:01] just got ton the

[3:30:03] gotten to the point

[3:30:04] where it's become the new

[3:30:06] normal for them, and I'm

[3:30:07] not okay with that.

[3:30:11] And so I want to be able

[3:30:12] to continue to explore

[3:30:13] with you, chief, what can

[3:30:15] we do there, because I

[3:30:16] don't want it to be the

[3:30:17] new normal that you hear

[3:30:17] gunshots in your

[3:30:18] neighborhood.

[3:30:22] Thank you.

[3:30:24] >> chief: councilmember,

[3:30:25] seems to be the norm in

[3:30:26] other parts of the city

[3:30:27] as well, and we're not

[3:30:28] okay with it either.

[3:30:29] You know, we tried to

[3:30:30] address that, say,

[3:30:34] several years ago with

[3:30:35] a -- a platform called

[3:30:38] shot spotter, and that

[3:30:40] turned out not to work so

[3:30:41] well.

[3:30:43] We gave it a real good

[3:30:45] look at quite some cost,

[3:30:47] but it wasn't doing what

[3:30:49] we wanted it to do or

[3:30:50] what we needed it to do,

[3:30:53] so that went by the

[3:30:54] wayside, but I'm going to

[3:30:58] have to go back and check

[3:31:00] what you're referencing

[3:31:01] about north st. Mary's,

[3:31:02] because that is not

[3:31:05] something that is on our

[3:31:06] radar as a high crime

[3:31:08] area.

[3:31:10] The issues that I do know

[3:31:12] are prevalent in -- on

[3:31:13] the north st. Mary's

[3:31:15] srip, the issues I just

[3:31:16] talked about related to

[3:31:19] the bars, and at bar

[3:31:20] closing time.

[3:31:21] That is the only issue

[3:31:22] that I know of that's

[3:31:24] happening up there, but

[3:31:28] if -- in fact, as you

[3:31:30] say, it's a high crime

[3:31:30] area, I'm going to have

[3:31:31] to look at that, and if

[3:31:33] in fact it shows to be

[3:31:35] true, then we'll come up

[3:31:36] with something to address

[3:31:37] it.

[3:31:38] Pgh >> brietengross

[3:31:38] bitter: the

[3:31:41] >> Bravo: thecomplaints I've heard

[3:31:43] were related to late at

[3:31:44] night after people

[3:31:45] getting out of the bars,

[3:31:47] I think there's a lot of

[3:31:48] overlap there.

[3:31:50] >> chief: we're working

[3:31:51] that with street crimes,

[3:31:53] as we mentioned -- as I

[3:31:54] mentioned when you and I

[3:31:55] spoke about it, street

[3:31:56] crimes is not the

[3:31:58] solution to what ails the

[3:31:59] north st. Mary's strip.

[3:32:00] There's got to be

[3:32:01] something else that we

[3:32:03] can do to address that,

[3:32:06] and as you know, that's

[3:32:07] been a problem for as

[3:32:10] long as those bars have

[3:32:12] existed up there.

[3:32:12] Pgh >> brietengross

[3:32:18] bitter: thank you.

[3:32:21] >> Bravo: thank you.

[3:32:23] >> thank you, COUNCILMAN,

[3:32:25] bravo.

[3:32:37] >> thank you, chief,

[3:32:37] thanks for the statistics

[3:32:37] also, the crime

[3:32:37] statistics comparing us

[3:32:37] to other cities, but I

[3:32:38] want to talk a little bit

[3:32:38] about our number of

[3:32:38] policemen out on the

[3:32:38] street right now, and I

[3:32:38] have this document I

[3:32:41] guess it was prepared by

[3:32:44] your office, JUNE 22nd of

[3:32:47] this year, and it shows

[3:32:49] per capita policemen for

[3:32:50] our city compared to

[3:32:53] other cities, and

[3:32:54] according to this, we're

[3:32:55] at third place, houston

[3:32:56] is first, dallas is

[3:32:58] second, we're in third,

[3:32:59] followed by fort worth,

[3:33:01] el paso and austin, as

[3:33:04] far as number of police

[3:33:05] per population in

[3:33:06] those --

[3:33:08] >> chief:

[3:33:11] per thousand?

[3:33:11] >> Perry: yeah, that is

[3:33:12] great.

[3:33:14] What is our actually

[3:33:15] authorized strength, it

[3:33:19] says here 2488.

[3:33:20] >> chief: that's right.

[3:33:21] >> Perry: that's what

[3:33:23] we're authorized to have?

[3:33:25] >> chief: yes, sir.

[3:33:27] >> Perry: we talked

[3:33:28] about cadets out in the

[3:33:29] community eonce they

[3:33:30] graduate from the

[3:33:30] community, I'm looking at

[3:33:32] this chart down below,

[3:33:37] sapd vacancies as of JUNE 11th, got 2376

[3:33:39] sworn positions filled.

[3:33:41] And then you have cadets

[3:33:44] in academy class, 94, but

[3:33:45] they're in class, they're

[3:33:46] not even out on the

[3:33:49] street.

[3:33:52] I'm saying it should be

[3:33:54] 94 cadets and the

[3:33:56] vacancies added together,

[3:33:57] because they're not on

[3:33:58] the street.

[3:33:59] They're still in school.

[3:34:00] We don't even know how

[3:34:02] many are actually going

[3:34:02] to graduate.

[3:34:03] >> chief: right.

[3:34:04] >> Perry: so I'm

[3:34:07] looking at the 2488 and

[3:34:09] I'm reading this, that we

[3:34:11] actually have 112

[3:34:13] officers short, that's

[3:34:16] the 94 that are in

[3:34:17] academy, in the classes,

[3:34:19] and the 18 vacancies.

[3:34:21] >> chief: uh-huh.

[3:34:24] >> Perry: but I'm

[3:34:27] getting that, you know,

[3:34:29] we're -- are we counting

[3:34:30] the and my classes as

[3:34:31] part of our sworn

[3:34:33] positions filled?

[3:34:35] Because I'm seeing that

[3:34:36] we're 112 short right

[3:34:38] now.

[3:34:43] >> chief: you know,

[3:34:45] we've gone around and

[3:34:47] around on this each time

[3:34:48] we talk about it.

[3:34:49] >> Perry: we went round

[3:34:51] and round about the

[3:34:52] cadets that are actually

[3:34:54] graduated that were

[3:34:55] counting toward our

[3:34:56] authorizations, but

[3:34:57] they're not totally out

[3:34:57] of the training program

[3:34:59] because they're sitting

[3:34:59] with another police

[3:35:01] officer for another six

[3:35:01] months after they

[3:35:02] graduate.

[3:35:03] And we've argued that

[3:35:06] back and forth, but we've

[3:35:09] never shown cadets as

[3:35:10] filling positions that

[3:35:12] are in class or not even

[3:35:14] in class yet, have we?

[3:35:16] I don't recall that ever

[3:35:17] being portrayed this way

[3:35:21] is what I'm saying, and

[3:35:24] I'm saying today, we got

[3:35:27] 2376, and we're 112

[3:35:28] short, because our

[3:35:31] authorized is 2488.

[3:35:33] So y'all made comments

[3:35:35] while ago that we're

[3:35:37] okay, out in the field

[3:35:39] today, and I'm not seeing

[3:35:43] it that way, we're 112

[3:35:43] short today.

[3:35:44] >> chief: COUNCILMAN,

[3:35:45] we're going to disagree

[3:35:46] with you.

[3:35:46] >> Perry: okay.

[3:35:48] >> chief: a department

[3:35:50] this size, with almost

[3:35:52] 2500 positions, there is

[3:35:54] always going to be people

[3:35:56] retiring, or leaving and

[3:35:57] it's a production line,

[3:35:59] and the production line

[3:36:00] is long in both the

[3:36:01] police and fire

[3:36:02] departments.

[3:36:03] You've got the applicant

[3:36:04] process.

[3:36:06] You've got a training

[3:36:09] academy for six months.

[3:36:11] You're in -- after you

[3:36:13] graduate, you're with a

[3:36:14] field train officer for

[3:36:15] another six months, it

[3:36:16] takes awhile before that

[3:36:17] individual is out there

[3:36:18] by themselves, the

[3:36:20] officer by themselves.

[3:36:22] We have to constantly

[3:36:23] churn that.

[3:36:25] As city manager, when I

[3:36:27] see 100 or I think it's

[3:36:29] 94 cadets in the academy,

[3:36:30] that's good.

[3:36:31] That's -- they are

[3:36:31] filling a position,

[3:36:32] because that means we

[3:36:33] have a vacancy somewhere

[3:36:34] else.

[3:36:36] We didn't say on the

[3:36:37] street when we were

[3:36:38] talking a second ago.

[3:36:40] We were talking about

[3:36:41] authorized positions.

[3:36:43] We have 18 or 19 actual

[3:36:44] vacancies right now.

[3:36:45] The vast majority of

[3:36:47] those are filled officer

[3:36:49] positions and we have 94

[3:36:50] in the academy.

[3:36:52] When we start the academy

[3:36:54] class in this summer,

[3:36:54] we're actually going to

[3:36:56] be over our authorized

[3:36:57] strength, because have

[3:36:59] you to count it all

[3:37:01] together.

[3:37:07] rozcy counts the trainee

[3:37:08] in public works as a

[3:37:08] position, we have to

[3:37:10] count that, we budget it

[3:37:12] for it, we have to stay

[3:37:12] ahead.

[3:37:13] Where we were at three or

[3:37:16] four years ago, we had

[3:37:17] actually street vacancies

[3:37:19] to almost 200 positions.

[3:37:20] >> Perry: I think it's

[3:37:21] close to 300.

[3:37:23] >> I don't think we got

[3:37:25] that high, but it was

[3:37:27] certainly over 200.

[3:37:28] We're not in that

[3:37:29] position right now.

[3:37:31] Those 94, half of them

[3:37:31] will likely graduate at

[3:37:32] the beginning of the

[3:37:33] fall.

[3:37:35] The neck

[3:37:38] the next half will

[3:37:39] graduate by the end of

[3:37:40] this calendar year, we

[3:37:41] keep that machine

[3:37:42] rolling.

[3:37:43] More importantly, our

[3:37:44] trial budget, our

[3:37:45] financial forecast,

[3:37:46] likely our proposed

[3:37:47] budget is going to make

[3:37:50] sure funding to keep

[3:37:51] police and fire, that

[3:37:52] long pipeline funded.

[3:37:53] >> Perry: okay.

[3:37:55] I hear my bell going off.

[3:37:57] We'll have to agree to

[3:37:58] disagree on that, because

[3:38:00] I -- counting cadets that

[3:38:02] are in class as being out

[3:38:03] on, you know, patrols and

[3:38:05] all that, that -- I don't

[3:38:07] agree with that.

[3:38:09] >> COUNCILMAN, that's not

[3:38:11] what we're doing.

[3:38:12] Maria, can you pull up

[3:38:13] what the COUNCILMAN Is

[3:38:14] showing?

[3:38:17] >> I don't have it on the

[3:38:17] powerpoint.

[3:38:19] We can try to do that but

[3:38:20] I don't have it --

[3:38:21] >> let's do that, we'll

[3:38:22] bring it up at the end of

[3:38:23] the day during the

[3:38:23] catch-up.

[3:38:24] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:38:25] thank you, councilmember

[3:38:25] perry.

[3:38:27] Councilmember viagran?

[3:38:28] >> Viagran: thank you.

[3:38:29] Thank you for that

[3:38:30] presentation.

[3:38:32] I'm very excited about

[3:38:34] these pilot programs.

[3:38:35] I'm looking forward to

[3:38:37] getting a sub

[3:38:39] substation in

[3:38:41] district 3 so we can help

[3:38:42] pilot some of these

[3:38:42] programs, so I look

[3:38:43] forward to that.

[3:38:47] On slide 3, the community

[3:38:49] input, with sapd and me,

[3:38:50] chief, I appreciate that

[3:38:52] you're going to go out to

[3:38:54] the district, my district

[3:38:55] in particular, because

[3:38:58] they don't feel safe.

[3:38:59] Is there any way that

[3:39:00] they can -- you could

[3:39:02] have like a standing

[3:39:04] civilian input committee

[3:39:05] or kind of something

[3:39:07] where they can kind of

[3:39:10] give suggestions to maybe

[3:39:11] helping as we go through

[3:39:13] this process, because I'd

[3:39:15] like to see answers that

[3:39:19] are district-specific.

[3:39:19] To

[3:39:20] building that

[3:39:22] relationship and building

[3:39:22] community.

[3:39:24] >> chief: I don't see

[3:39:24] why not.

[3:39:25] The more input we get,

[3:39:27] the better it is, it's a

[3:39:28] matter of how we

[3:39:28] structure it.

[3:39:29] >> and then that's the

[3:39:31] one thing with the arpa

[3:39:33] dollars and what we have,

[3:39:34] maybe we can look at

[3:39:35] budgeting that if we have

[3:39:37] another committee for

[3:39:38] these -- these districts

[3:39:39] that feel unsafe or want

[3:39:40] to build those

[3:39:41] relationships.

[3:39:42] And then on slide number

[3:39:44] 5, another point to that

[3:39:47] is when we look at the

[3:39:48] community-based policing

[3:39:49] programs, while I would

[3:39:51] love for us to go wide

[3:39:53] with, you know, pride

[3:39:54] center, rape crisis

[3:39:55] center, I would also like

[3:39:57] to see us go

[3:39:57] district-specific with

[3:39:58] nonprofits that work in

[3:40:00] the community to kind of

[3:40:02] build that trust and get

[3:40:03] youth involved.

[3:40:05] So if we can just do that

[3:40:07] consideration.

[3:40:09] And then the question

[3:40:13] regarding the mental

[3:40:16] health, is -- is 911

[3:40:17] asking when we get these

[3:40:19] calls who is making the

[3:40:23] call, if it's family,

[3:40:24] neighbor, person driving

[3:40:27] down the street, when

[3:40:29] they make these calls to

[3:40:30] make sure they know for

[3:40:31] sure that that person

[3:40:37] doesn't have a weapon?

[3:40:39] >> chief: yes, the

[3:40:40] complainant is typically

[3:40:41] identified, you know,

[3:40:43] when the call goes out,

[3:40:44] as to, you know, where

[3:40:46] the call is coming from,

[3:40:47] and who is making it.

[3:40:48] They always have a call

[3:40:50] back -- not always, but

[3:40:50] most times they have a

[3:40:52] call back number that we

[3:40:54] can refer back to if

[3:40:55] there are questions or

[3:40:56] concerns while the

[3:40:57] officer is responding or

[3:40:59] once they get there.

[3:41:00] >> because my concern is

[3:41:05] we transition to having

[3:41:05] nonuniformed people go

[3:41:07] off to these calls is

[3:41:09] their safety, and I want

[3:41:10] to make sure that their

[3:41:12] safety is our top

[3:41:13] priority as we do that.

[3:41:14] >> chief: and that is

[3:41:15] our concern, too,

[3:41:16] councilmember.

[3:41:19] We are -- we are open and

[3:41:21] looking forward to

[3:41:22] exploring alternative

[3:41:23] responses to mental

[3:41:23] health calls and other

[3:41:26] types of calls, but

[3:41:27] our -- our primary

[3:41:28] concern, and I've

[3:41:29] mentioned this before, is

[3:41:31] for safety of the -- the

[3:41:32] safety of those folks who

[3:41:35] MAY be responding with us

[3:41:38] or ahead of us.

[3:41:39] >> that will be really

[3:41:40] critical if we're talking

[3:41:43] about a team approach.

[3:41:44] It's critical now when

[3:41:46] police officers to make

[3:41:47] sure they're properly

[3:41:47] informed.

[3:41:49] It will be even more

[3:41:50] critical if we're looking

[3:41:52] at alternative response

[3:41:52] mechanism, because we

[3:41:54] don't want to put

[3:41:56] anybody, any additional

[3:41:56] harm's way.

[3:41:57] >> Viagran: I just want

[3:41:58] us to take that into

[3:41:59] consideration when we

[3:42:00] talk about budgetwise, is

[3:42:01] this means the phone

[3:42:04] calls to 911 might be a

[3:42:05] little longer than

[3:42:07] before, and we need to

[3:42:07] take that into

[3:42:08] consideration when we

[3:42:10] look at servicing that.

[3:42:12] The animal-related calls,

[3:42:14] I think we could

[3:42:15] definitely help with that

[3:42:17] if we gave more money to

[3:42:19] acs and got some big

[3:42:21] fixes done within the

[3:42:22] different communities.

[3:42:24] So that was my point --

[3:42:26] my little comment there.

[3:42:29] And then on the top three

[3:42:29] calls, officers should

[3:42:36] not have primary

[3:42:36] response responsibility

[3:42:37] that came from them,

[3:42:38] because I worked for the

[3:42:40] police department, I knew

[3:42:41] child custody visitation

[3:42:42] was going to be on that

[3:42:43] list; however, I'm not

[3:42:45] sure that that is

[3:42:46] necessarily the case.

[3:42:48] I think we do need to

[3:42:51] look at criminal history.

[3:42:53] We do need to look at

[3:42:55] that whole relationship

[3:42:57] before we pass that on to

[3:42:58] anyone else.

[3:43:00] >> chief: councilmember,

[3:43:02] just a comment that these

[3:43:03] custody calls, child

[3:43:05] care -- you know,

[3:43:08] exchange calls, I relate

[3:43:11] them somewhat to being as

[3:43:13] potentially volatile as

[3:43:14] family violence calls

[3:43:15] because of the

[3:43:16] relationship sometimes

[3:43:17] between the mother and

[3:43:19] the father, so they can

[3:43:23] be very dangerous as well

[3:43:23] well.

[3:43:23] >> Viagran: some of

[3:43:25] them I understand, but I

[3:43:26] think if we do the

[3:43:27] technology.

[3:43:29] and then also the other

[3:43:30] aspect on 11, and this is

[3:43:32] why I ask is we need to

[3:43:33] address that digital

[3:43:35] divide before we go to

[3:43:37] social media and survey

[3:43:38] results online, so just

[3:43:40] keep that in mind.

[3:43:40] Thank you.

[3:43:41] Thank you for your time.

[3:43:43] Thank you, mayor.

[3:43:44] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:43:46] thank you, councilmember

[3:43:48] viagran.

[3:43:50] Councilmember

[3:43:51] rocha-garcia.

[3:43:52] >> Rocha-Garcia: thank

[3:43:53] you, mayor, thank you,

[3:43:56] chief, I appreciate you

[3:43:57] being willing to be there

[3:43:58] for the residents of

[3:44:00] district 4, I know I'm

[3:44:02] supposed to go on a bike

[3:44:03] patrol ride.

[3:44:04] So thank you.

[3:44:05] Street lighting is

[3:44:06] important in my

[3:44:07] neighborhood, and our

[3:44:08] area is the second

[3:44:09] largest area in san

[3:44:09] antonio, so I literally

[3:44:11] have to divide the

[3:44:13] district up into three

[3:44:13] sections.

[3:44:14] The northern, the

[3:44:15] central, and the southern

[3:44:16] part.

[3:44:19] And so the last go round,

[3:44:21] I was able to advocate --

[3:44:23] to get some money

[3:44:24] budgeted for street

[3:44:26] lighting, and so we had

[3:44:27] 87 street lights

[3:44:29] installed.

[3:44:30] There's 115 identified,

[3:44:31] some neighbors decided

[3:44:32] they didn't want them,

[3:44:33] and so it was really

[3:44:34] impactful.

[3:44:36] And so I remember driving

[3:44:37] around like my first

[3:44:40] month on the job with

[3:44:41] erik walsh, and we

[3:44:41] identified three

[3:44:43] different types of street

[3:44:44] lamps, right?

[3:44:46] Some from like the

[3:44:47] '70s, or something.

[3:44:49] It was really, really

[3:44:50] retrolights.

[3:44:51] So I do believe in that.

[3:44:53] And I'm wondering if

[3:44:55] there's a way that we can

[3:44:56] have your team, the

[3:44:57] officers, even like

[3:44:59] identify, as did I my

[3:45:00] ride-along a couple of

[3:45:02] years ago, they knew,

[3:45:04] like, oh, yeah, it's real

[3:45:05] dark in here, so usually

[3:45:07] we will see kids running

[3:45:08] around here at night, et

[3:45:08] cetera.

[3:45:09] So I don't know if

[3:45:10] there's an opportunity to

[3:45:11] engage them together.

[3:45:12] Our safe officers are out

[3:45:14] during the day, but I'm

[3:45:16] talking about t shift,

[3:45:16] right?

[3:45:19] And so those guys, those

[3:45:19] officers are the ones

[3:45:20] that are kind of out

[3:45:21] there, wondering if we

[3:45:23] can get some additional

[3:45:25] engagement and support to

[3:45:26] team up for that lighting

[3:45:27] study?

[3:45:29] >> we'll be happy to do

[3:45:32] that, COUNCILWOMAN.

[3:45:32] >> Rocha-Garcia: okay.

[3:45:37] Thank you.

[3:45:37] So I agree with the

[3:45:37] feedback on the loud

[3:45:37] music and the fireworks,

[3:45:38] for instance.

[3:45:39] I didn't see anything in

[3:45:40] here, maybe I just missed

[3:45:42] it when I stepped out,

[3:45:43] handle with care.

[3:45:45] and so I just want to

[3:45:46] continue to be an

[3:45:47] advocate for the handle

[3:45:47] with care program.

[3:45:49] A lot of the kids in my

[3:45:51] district, and their

[3:45:53] service specifically,

[3:45:55] through their social

[3:45:56] workers, and I just -- I

[3:45:58] want to make sure that we

[3:45:58] don't underfund that

[3:45:59] program.

[3:46:00] I think it continues to

[3:46:01] need some additional love

[3:46:04] and support there.

[3:46:05] >> chief: councilmember,

[3:46:07] that is not a program

[3:46:08] that has required

[3:46:09] additional programming,

[3:46:10] but be happy to take it

[3:46:13] if you want to give it to

[3:46:14] us --

[3:46:15] >> Rocha-Garcia: erik

[3:46:17] said don't give chief any

[3:46:18] money. They will always

[3:46:18] take it.

[3:46:20] The chiefs always take

[3:46:21] the money.

[3:46:23] So, no, we're good.

[3:46:25] The next thing is street

[3:46:25] racing.

[3:46:28] Do we have a plan, I

[3:46:28] don't think it would

[3:46:29] require any budgeting,

[3:46:30] but I didn't see anything

[3:46:31] erik walsh is the one

[3:46:32] that peels out usually

[3:46:34] out of city hall, but I'm

[3:46:35] talking about --

[3:46:39] >> on southwest

[3:46:39] military --

[3:46:40] >> COUNCILWOMAN, we had a

[3:46:41] discussion at public

[3:46:42] safety committee, and

[3:46:43] that is something that is

[3:46:44] going to come back during

[3:46:45] the fall.

[3:46:46] We

[3:46:48] we had a preliminary

[3:46:48] discussion.

[3:46:49] we got some feedback from

[3:46:50] the members of the

[3:46:51] committee, and again,

[3:46:52] that will be a discussion

[3:46:55] for the fall.

[3:46:55] >> Rocha-Garcia: sorry,

[3:46:57] go ahead, chief.

[3:46:58] >> chief: there's a

[3:46:59] program, councilmember,

[3:47:02] that we are about to kick

[3:47:02] off.

[3:47:06] I got a -- I'll call it a

[3:47:07] proposal.

[3:47:08] Proposal on it the other

[3:47:08] day.

[3:47:10] So what we've done, I

[3:47:11] think y'all know, MAY

[3:47:12] know who captain

[3:47:14] benavidez is.

[3:47:16] So when the street racing

[3:47:18] issue started to peak, we

[3:47:19] were looking around at

[3:47:20] other cities and what

[3:47:21] they were doing, and I

[3:47:22] can't remember what city

[3:47:24] it was, but they

[3:47:28] partnered with a local

[3:47:29] racetrack and that

[3:47:30] racetrack allowed the

[3:47:32] street racers, we'll call

[3:47:33] them, to go on that

[3:47:34] racetrack and do their

[3:47:35] thing.

[3:47:37] So we've got a racetrack

[3:47:38] lined up getting ready to

[3:47:40] partner with us to do

[3:47:43] that, so I just got the

[3:47:44] proposal yesterday.

[3:47:45] I haven't read it yet,

[3:47:47] but I will do that soon,

[3:47:49] so that MAY be another

[3:47:50] alternative to get folks

[3:47:51] off the street.

[3:47:52] >> Rocha-Garcia: that's

[3:47:52] super cool.

[3:47:54] I have another -- I don't

[3:47:55] know what racetrack

[3:47:56] you're talking about, but

[3:47:58] I have one that's

[3:47:59] probably helpful as well.

[3:48:02] i had a lot of I'll call

[3:48:03] them kids in my area,

[3:48:06] because they were 17,

[3:48:07] 18-year-olds doing ring

[3:48:09] or fire, it was

[3:48:09] ridiculous, I want to

[3:48:11] make sure we have a focus

[3:48:12] on that.

[3:48:13] >> chief: it's something

[3:48:14] that we'll partner, the

[3:48:16] police department will

[3:48:17] partner in to make that

[3:48:19] community engagement.

[3:48:20] >> Rocha-Garcia: okay.

[3:48:20] Then gunshots.

[3:48:22] Do we have any innovative

[3:48:24] approaches to identify --

[3:48:25] there's got to be

[3:48:26] something created by now

[3:48:27] to figure out where the

[3:48:28] gunshot is coming from?

[3:48:30] >> chief: well, shot

[3:48:31] spotter is what we

[3:48:32] thought -- well, we

[3:48:34] tested it to see how --

[3:48:36] you know, if you want to

[3:48:37] record how many gunshots

[3:48:38] are being fired at night

[3:48:40] in a particular area,

[3:48:41] shot spotter is a great

[3:48:43] tool, but it does not --

[3:48:46] it does not help us -- it

[3:48:48] didn't help us identify

[3:48:50] who was doing it,

[3:48:51] because -- and we went to

[3:48:52] great lengths.

[3:48:53] We put a car in the area

[3:48:55] simply to respond to shot

[3:48:57] spotter calls, and we

[3:48:59] paid overtime to do that,

[3:49:01] and we had them respond

[3:49:03] code 2, which is with

[3:49:05] lights and sirens, so

[3:49:07] that did not help us get

[3:49:08] to the scene, to that

[3:49:09] particular scene and

[3:49:10] identify that individual,

[3:49:11] and potentially make an

[3:49:12] arrest.

[3:49:15] So -- but as far as other

[3:49:16] technologies going, I

[3:49:17] don't know of any.

[3:49:19] I don't know of any

[3:49:20] around other cities, what

[3:49:21] they're doing, a lot of

[3:49:22] cities have the same

[3:49:24] problems that we do,

[3:49:26] especially cities, you

[3:49:29] know, in the west and

[3:49:30] northwest, we're not

[3:49:32] seeing any innovative

[3:49:34] approaches to having --

[3:49:39] to the gunshot issue.

[3:49:41] >> chief, remind me,

[3:49:42] different cities had

[3:49:43] different levels of

[3:49:43] success depending on how

[3:49:44] they were laid out and

[3:49:46] the density, that was a

[3:49:48] major factor that kind of

[3:49:50] showed there was a --

[3:49:56] kind of a difference in

[3:49:57] performance, a

[3:49:58] washington, D.C., versus

[3:50:00] maybe a kansas city or

[3:50:01] san antonio.

[3:50:02] Depends on what the area

[3:50:03] looks like and how dense

[3:50:05] it is, the buildings, and

[3:50:07] that was a major factor,

[3:50:08] I think that we found as

[3:50:11] well.

[3:50:14] >> yeah, not to harp on

[3:50:15] shot spotter, but that

[3:50:16] type of technology would

[3:50:18] be wonderful on a college

[3:50:21] campus or some type of

[3:50:23] campus where gunshots are

[3:50:25] simply never supposed to

[3:50:29] happen, and -- and small

[3:50:30] enough to respond to it

[3:50:32] quickly enough to

[3:50:34] probably identify or find

[3:50:35] out who is shooting the

[3:50:38] gun.

[3:50:38] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:50:39] thank you, councilmember.

[3:50:48] >> Rocha-Garcia:.

[3:50:51] Councilmember mckee

[3:50:52] rodriguez.

[3:50:53] >> Rodriguez: is my mic

[3:50:53] on?

[3:50:54] I wanted to address a

[3:50:58] comment earlier the sign

[3:51:00] scientific study shows we

[3:51:01] need more police

[3:51:02] officers, and that is

[3:51:04] absolutely false, the

[3:51:05] study did not show that.

[3:51:07] I think what it reveals

[3:51:08] to me is we need

[3:51:10] investment in addressing

[3:51:11] the root causes of crime.

[3:51:13] We need to invest in

[3:51:15] crime deterrence, and I

[3:51:17] think my background as a

[3:51:18] teacher, and a lot of

[3:51:19] people think the goal of

[3:51:22] a teacher is academic

[3:51:23] outcomes, and that is one

[3:51:25] of the goals, but

[3:51:26] priority number one is

[3:51:28] safety, I view my role as

[3:51:31] a councilmember is the

[3:51:33] same.

[3:51:34] Safety is a huge priority

[3:51:35] to me.

[3:51:36] When we're talking about

[3:51:38] investment, I think that

[3:51:40] means we need to invest

[3:51:41] in preventing domestic

[3:51:43] violence in community

[3:51:45] interest efforts, access

[3:51:46] to housing and jobs,

[3:51:48] security systems, as was

[3:51:49] said earlier, and

[3:51:51] restorative justice in

[3:51:52] schools, as well as

[3:51:56] investments in unp lick public

[3:51:57] health.

[3:51:59] And I think the study

[3:52:00] showed that increased

[3:52:02] officers don't lead to a

[3:52:04] decrease in crime, nor an

[3:52:05] increase in safety, and

[3:52:06] there's two different

[3:52:07] proposals I have that I

[3:52:08] would like to ask for

[3:52:09] support on.

[3:52:10] One of the problems that

[3:52:12] has been identified these

[3:52:15] past weeks is that cps

[3:52:16] nor the city know how

[3:52:18] many street lights we

[3:52:19] have, where they are, and

[3:52:21] we pay for those, and so

[3:52:21] what I would like to

[3:52:23] propose is one is street

[3:52:24] lighting index, something

[3:52:26] like a heat map or an

[3:52:28] index where streets are

[3:52:29] assigned a grade based on

[3:52:30] how well let they are,

[3:52:32] and this would ideally

[3:52:34] analyze where crime is

[3:52:36] happening, school zones,

[3:52:37] endogen street

[3:52:40] and general street

[3:52:41] darkness to determine a

[3:52:42] street lighting strategy

[3:52:44] so we're not aimlessly

[3:52:46] throwing street lights in

[3:52:47] places, but so there is a

[3:52:48] strategy there.

[3:52:49] I would like to ask for

[3:52:50] additional funding for

[3:52:51] street lights in my

[3:52:52] district and across the

[3:52:53] city, I'm sure.

[3:52:54] And a second ask would be

[3:52:56] an office or an entity

[3:52:58] separate from sapd that

[3:53:00] would include data

[3:53:02] scientists and

[3:53:03] criminallologists that

[3:53:05] can make strategic

[3:53:06] recommendations to deter

[3:53:07] crime and address its

[3:53:09] root causes and I think

[3:53:10] one of responsibilities

[3:53:12] of that office could be

[3:53:13] operating that street

[3:53:15] lighting index.

[3:53:16] Thank you.

[3:53:16] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:53:18] thank you, councilmember

[3:53:19] mckee rodriguez.

[3:53:20] Any response to that?

[3:53:22] >> chief: councilmember,

[3:53:23] I think that we are very

[3:53:25] much on the same page

[3:53:29] with the majority of what

[3:53:29] you talked act, so I

[3:53:30] support that.

[3:53:33] You know, the social and

[3:53:37] economic issues are what

[3:53:38] police deal with, you

[3:53:40] know, when it turns in

[3:53:41] the result of it being,

[3:53:45] you know, crime, and, you

[3:53:47] know, we get on this

[3:53:48] merry-go-round where we

[3:53:49] continue to arrest

[3:53:50] people, but we're not

[3:53:51] addressing the root

[3:53:53] causes of it as you

[3:53:54] mentioned, I'm on the

[3:53:57] same page as you are.

[3:53:58] >> Rodriguez: thank

[3:54:00] you, chief Mcmanus.

[3:54:01] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:54:03] councilmen pala

[3:54:03] ez.

[3:54:04] >> Pal*ez: I don't know

[3:54:05] what study you're talking

[3:54:06] about, but I would like

[3:54:08] to see one, have my

[3:54:09] questions answered as far

[3:54:10] as what is the measure --

[3:54:12] what is the measurable

[3:54:13] value of adding one

[3:54:14] police officer, let's

[3:54:15] say, and how that relates

[3:54:19] to the crime rate, pick

[3:54:20] your crime, right?

[3:54:21] Violent crimes.

[3:54:22] I don't know the answer

[3:54:22] to that.

[3:54:24] You know, if you add one

[3:54:26] officer, or you add ten

[3:54:28] officers or 20 officers,

[3:54:29] you know, what is the

[3:54:30] impact on rapes or

[3:54:31] homicides or property

[3:54:32] crime.

[3:54:33] Does anybody have that?

[3:54:36] I mean --

[3:54:38] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:54:39] councilmember mckee

[3:54:40] rodriguez's statement

[3:54:43] increase in police does

[3:54:45] not necessary my make it

[3:54:48] more safe; however, I'll

[3:54:48] answer your direct

[3:54:49] question in a second, but

[3:54:53] it does make people feel

[3:54:53] safe.

[3:54:55] The more they see police

[3:54:58] officers, the safer they

[3:54:58] feel.

[3:55:00] If you add police

[3:55:01] officers to patrol,

[3:55:03] you're going to be able

[3:55:04] to decrease response

[3:55:04] times.

[3:55:07] If you add investigators

[3:55:12] to homicide unit or svu,

[3:55:13] you will be able to clear

[3:55:14] more cases in less amount

[3:55:17] of time, so it -- it kind

[3:55:20] of works out like that.

[3:55:21] If you want to invest in

[3:55:25] specific areas, you're

[3:55:26] going to see a benefit

[3:55:30] from it in one respect or

[3:55:31] another depending upon

[3:55:32] what area the police

[3:55:34] department is in,

[3:55:35] response times or

[3:55:37] investigative clearances,

[3:55:39] safe, engage in community

[3:55:40] more often.

[3:55:41] So I don't know if I'm

[3:55:43] answering your question

[3:55:45] or not.

[3:55:47] >> Pal*ez: you are,

[3:55:48] maybe we're using the

[3:55:49] word study wrong, maybe

[3:55:52] we're talking about a

[3:55:52] survey.

[3:55:52] I don't know.

[3:55:53] I understand survey

[3:55:54] answers.

[3:55:55] I guess what I'm looking

[3:55:56] for is has anybody looked

[3:55:57] at whether or not there's

[3:55:59] a measurable difference,

[3:56:00] right, and what that

[3:56:01] difference is in crime

[3:56:02] rates versus number of

[3:56:04] police officers on or off

[3:56:05] the street?

[3:56:05] I don't know.

[3:56:07] I get it, right?

[3:56:09] It makes people feel

[3:56:10] safer if you see more in

[3:56:11] certain neighborhoods, in

[3:56:12] other neighborhoods it

[3:56:14] doesn't make them feel

[3:56:16] safer, I get that, it's

[3:56:17] an academic question, I

[3:56:18] think it's important one,

[3:56:19] we're talking about

[3:56:20] funding, and we're

[3:56:21] talking about increasing

[3:56:23] academy classes, you

[3:56:25] know, I'm in regard to

[3:56:26] COUNCILMAN Perry's points

[3:56:29] that he was making

[3:56:30] earlier, are we allowed

[3:56:32] to do lateral hires,

[3:56:34] andy?

[3:56:35] >> no.

[3:56:38] >> Pal*ez: the only way

[3:56:40] to get new police

[3:56:41] officers is through the

[3:56:41] academy.

[3:56:43] >> is through the and my,

[3:56:44] that's the only way.

[3:56:45] >> Pal*ez: the other

[3:56:46] thing too I'm looking at

[3:56:48] top three calls officers

[3:56:49] should not have primary

[3:56:50] responsibility for, and I

[3:56:52] understand this is the

[3:56:54] officer's feedback, and

[3:56:56] loud music and child

[3:56:57] custody visitation and

[3:56:58] fireworks, I agree,

[3:56:59] fireworks is, you know,

[3:57:01] probably not where we

[3:57:02] ought to be throwing our

[3:57:04] resource, but child

[3:57:06] custody visitation

[3:57:07] violations, those turn

[3:57:08] deadly, quickly.

[3:57:09] In fact, some of the

[3:57:10] murders that we've talked

[3:57:13] about were child

[3:57:14] visitation scenarios,

[3:57:14] right?

[3:57:17] And I've had some success

[3:57:18] recently in my district

[3:57:19] with police officers

[3:57:20] responding to loud music,

[3:57:21] and particularly a

[3:57:24] certain bar on utsa and

[3:57:26] babcock, that without

[3:57:27] those police officer

[3:57:29] visits, we were getting

[3:57:30] no compliance whatsoever,

[3:57:31] they were driving the

[3:57:33] neighborhood crazy.

[3:57:34] On the other hand, and

[3:57:35] we're going to have to

[3:57:37] visit about this later,

[3:57:38] gentlemen, but I saw a

[3:57:39] video of one of our

[3:57:41] police officers at night

[3:57:43] from the vice squad

[3:57:44] recently, going to a bar

[3:57:47] in district 2, on a noise

[3:57:48] violation, and talking to

[3:57:49] the general manager, and

[3:57:51] then insisting that the

[3:57:52] owner show up, even

[3:57:54] though he was offsite.

[3:57:55] The owner showed up, and

[3:57:56] they arrested the owner,

[3:57:59] because he showed up

[3:58:00] inebriated, he didn't

[3:58:01] drive inebriated, he got

[3:58:02] someone to drive him

[3:58:04] there.

[3:58:04] Look, I'm not driving

[3:58:05] tonight, this is the

[3:58:07] general manager's issue,

[3:58:08] that's why I hire him,

[3:58:09] the charge was operating

[3:58:11] a bar under the

[3:58:12] influence, they summoned

[3:58:13] him to archdiocese

[3:58:15] arrest him, we've

[3:58:16] got a problem, right?

[3:58:18] When peep see videos like

[3:58:19] that, it really angers

[3:58:21] them, it does damage to

[3:58:22] this effort that we're

[3:58:23] trying to -- that we're

[3:58:25] making to increase trust,

[3:58:25] right?

[3:58:27] And so we have -- I get

[3:58:29] it, and your job is not

[3:58:30] easy, managing people out

[3:58:35] there, you know, who --

[3:58:36] you know, deal with

[3:58:37] conflict in different

[3:58:38] ways, right?

[3:58:41] And so my only approach,

[3:58:42] and I just need --

[3:58:43] because my constituents

[3:58:44] MAY be watching right

[3:58:47] now, my only approach the

[3:58:48] entire time is to make

[3:58:50] sure that when andy's

[3:58:51] family or when john's

[3:58:53] family or when mario's

[3:58:55] family, when anna's

[3:58:57] family calls 911, or

[3:58:58] anybody's family out

[3:59:00] there in the audience

[3:59:02] calls 911, that answers

[3:59:03] sooner than later, right?

[3:59:04] And I think that's what

[3:59:06] the general public all

[3:59:07] over san antonio expects

[3:59:09] of us, and so to the

[3:59:10] extent that we're

[3:59:12] funding, you know, mental

[3:59:13] health workers and police

[3:59:14] officers, all that,

[3:59:15] that's a great

[3:59:15] conversation, I really

[3:59:16] want to have that one,

[3:59:18] but never at the expense

[3:59:20] of 911 response times, so

[3:59:20] anyway, I think you're

[3:59:21] doing a great job, and

[3:59:23] you take a lot of heat,

[3:59:24] sometimes you deserve it,

[3:59:25] sometimes you don't.

[3:59:26] But I appreciate you

[3:59:27] being here.

[3:59:27] Thanks, chief.

[3:59:28] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[3:59:30] thank you, councilmember

[3:59:30] pala

[3:59:31] ez.

[3:59:34] Councilmember sandoval?

[3:59:35] >> Sandoval: thank you.

[3:59:36] i do have a question

[3:59:37] about fireworks

[3:59:37] enforcement.

[3:59:38] Is that something that

[3:59:40] can be enforced by

[3:59:40] somebody else who is not

[3:59:41] the police?

[3:59:42] I thought there was

[3:59:43] some -- can you tell me

[3:59:44] how that would work?

[3:59:47] >> chief: yes, so we're

[3:59:48] not the only ones that

[3:59:50] could write a citation

[3:59:52] for that.

[3:59:53] Code compliance would

[3:59:54] write a citation for

[3:59:54] that.

[3:59:55] I don't want to speak for

[3:59:56] my brother back there,

[3:59:58] charles, but his

[3:59:58] department could probably

[4:00:00] get involved in it as

[4:00:00] well.

[4:00:05] Sorry, charles.

[4:00:06] >> and then let me ask

[4:00:07] you, can you remind me

[4:00:08] how you measure or how

[4:00:10] you define response time?

[4:00:13] >> chief: yes, so if --

[4:00:15] I'm a all the taker, as

[4:00:17] soon as I pick that phone

[4:00:19] up, response time begins,

[4:00:20] and it ends when the

[4:00:21] officer actually arrives

[4:00:22] on the scene, and the

[4:00:23] officer will either say,

[4:00:26] you know, 10-6, which

[4:00:27] means I'm on the scene,

[4:00:29] or the geo fencing will

[4:00:33] pick it up and have an

[4:00:34] automatic response sent

[4:00:37] to the cad system.

[4:00:38] So from

[4:00:46] so from the time -- >> chief: there's a call

[4:00:50] taker and dispatcher.

[4:00:52] It ends when the officer

[4:00:54] arrives on the scene.

[4:00:54] >> Sandoval: okay.

[4:00:55] Thank you.

[4:00:58] And then so if I'm the

[4:01:03] person who makes the

[4:01:04] call, I just want to make

[4:01:05] sure we're talking about

[4:01:06] the same thing, because

[4:01:07] that is how the public is

[4:01:09] going to see the numbers

[4:01:12] is how am I measuring it?

[4:01:15] I -- I think part of the

[4:01:17] conversation we're having

[4:01:19] is because pd is the only

[4:01:20] department who responds

[4:01:21] 24 -- well, and the fire

[4:01:24] department of course,

[4:01:26] respond 24-7, right?

[4:01:28] So I'm glad to see us

[4:01:29] having this conversation,

[4:01:30] and for us to actually

[4:01:31] move in the direction of

[4:01:33] diverting some of those

[4:01:34] calls, it means we're

[4:01:35] going to have to invest

[4:01:37] in either code or in acs,

[4:01:42] or whatever it is, as a

[4:01:43] 24-7 operation.

[4:01:44] So I think we just need

[4:01:45] to be prepared to make

[4:01:48] that investment as a

[4:01:50] council, and then lastly,

[4:01:51] I heard COUNCILWOMAN

[4:01:53] Viagran mention some sort

[4:01:55] of community input, and

[4:01:57] ongoing community input

[4:02:00] process.

[4:02:02] Almost like some sort of

[4:02:03] advisory board or

[4:02:04] committee, so that you

[4:02:04] have representation by

[4:02:05] district.

[4:02:06] I know, chief, that you

[4:02:08] do convene out of your

[4:02:09] own initiative a group of

[4:02:10] community members.

[4:02:13] I've referred some to

[4:02:13] you.

[4:02:14] And I think it's great

[4:02:16] that you have take than

[4:02:17] initiative, but I can

[4:02:18] also see the benefit of

[4:02:22] having something that is

[4:02:23] council-appointed that is

[4:02:24] more transparent and that

[4:02:26] can bring other issues to

[4:02:28] the table, so I would be

[4:02:29] supportive of further

[4:02:30] exploring that idea, and

[4:02:33] I'm seeing COUNCILWOMAN

[4:02:34] Cabello havrda look at me

[4:02:35] and I would love to know

[4:02:37] what she thinks about

[4:02:37] that, thank you, mayor.

[4:02:38] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[4:02:40] thank you, councilmember

[4:02:41] sandoval.

[4:02:43] Councilmember courage?

[4:02:44] >> courage: thank you,

[4:02:45] mayor.

[4:02:46] Thanks, chief, for being

[4:02:47] here, I know you do a

[4:02:49] great job, and all of the

[4:02:50] sapd officers do, but

[4:02:51] I've got a few questions

[4:02:55] I wanted to check on.

[4:02:57] First of all, crime is

[4:03:00] down around the city, and

[4:03:03] I know from my

[4:03:04] observations and looking

[4:03:06] at some of the reports

[4:03:07] around that my particular

[4:03:08] district has a pretty

[4:03:09] much lower crime rate

[4:03:11] than many other parts of

[4:03:13] the city, district 9,

[4:03:13] north central parts of

[4:03:14] town.

[4:03:16] And once in a while, I

[4:03:19] get on lexus nexus and I

[4:03:20] take a look at that, and

[4:03:21] that shows, geez, all

[4:03:22] kinds of crimes that

[4:03:23] occur all over the city

[4:03:25] and you can zoom in on

[4:03:26] your part of town and

[4:03:27] kind of see what's there,

[4:03:29] and you can say I only

[4:03:30] want to see this kind of

[4:03:31] crime or that kind of

[4:03:32] crime or all

[4:03:33] all of them.

[4:03:34] It's pretty amazing when

[4:03:36] you see all of those

[4:03:37] little marks down there,

[4:03:38] those icons that show the

[4:03:39] different kinds of

[4:03:40] crimes.

[4:03:47] Is there fairly

[4:03:47] reflective of what you

[4:03:49] get in the way of calls.

[4:03:51] >> chief: councilmember,

[4:03:53] I'm not a user of lexus

[4:03:54] nexus or any of those

[4:03:57] online crime reporting

[4:03:59] apps, so I can't answer

[4:03:59] your question.

[4:04:01] I know what I read every

[4:04:04] day and see every day,

[4:04:06] coming from our analytics

[4:04:08] unit, but I can't compare

[4:04:12] with what's online.

[4:04:14] >> Courage: well, I

[4:04:16] guess that comes to me

[4:04:17] requesting, can you send

[4:04:19] me and all councilmembers

[4:04:19] reports on what the

[4:04:20] crimes are in our

[4:04:22] districts at least every

[4:04:22] quarter?

[4:04:23] Because I know it changes

[4:04:25] from week to week, month

[4:04:26] to month, so that when

[4:04:28] people ask me, you know,

[4:04:30] what's going on in my

[4:04:32] district, I can fairly

[4:04:33] accurate in how I portray

[4:04:35] it.

[4:04:36] >> COUNCILMAN, I was

[4:04:38] going to mention that our

[4:04:41] public safety chair, the

[4:04:42] public safety committee,

[4:04:43] have requested that we do

[4:04:44] that public safety

[4:04:46] committee, that we review

[4:04:47] crime statistics on a

[4:04:49] quarterly basis, so we

[4:04:51] will be able to address

[4:04:52] your request to the whole

[4:04:54] council as well.

[4:04:55] >> Courage: so they'll

[4:04:56] receive it, they'll look

[4:04:57] at it, but then you can

[4:04:59] send it to each

[4:04:59] individual council

[4:05:00] district so we'll know

[4:05:01] what our district --

[4:05:03] >> yes, councilmember.

[4:05:03] >> Courage: okay.

[4:05:04] That's great.

[4:05:05] I think that is

[4:05:06] important.

[4:05:06] Maria, I had another

[4:05:07] question for you. When

[4:05:10] we're talking with sap oa

[4:05:11] in our negotiations right

[4:05:13] now, what is the status

[4:05:17] of prior history of

[4:05:18] discipline being

[4:05:19] addressed in our

[4:05:21] negotiations?

[4:05:23] >> so we don't have

[4:05:24] consensus yet. What the

[4:05:25] association did is they

[4:05:27] gave us a proposal for

[4:05:29] the arbitrators 30

[4:05:31] regarding discipline,

[4:05:33] they incorporated into

[4:05:34] that language the fact

[4:05:35] that we could look at all

[4:05:37] discipline for that

[4:05:39] employee, but we, the

[4:05:42] city, are not -- have not

[4:05:47] accepted that proposal,

[4:05:49] because doesn't meet our

[4:05:49] goal which is to give

[4:05:52] authority to the chief.

[4:05:58] So for the fact being

[4:05:59] combined with the

[4:06:00] arbitrator's authority,

[4:06:02] we've had conversations

[4:06:03] including all discipline,

[4:06:04] all prior discipline of

[4:06:05] police officer

[4:06:05] .

[4:06:06] >> Courage: right.

[4:06:07] I think that is an

[4:06:08] important part of our

[4:06:09] negotiations.

[4:06:10] Okay.

[4:06:11] One of the requests by

[4:06:16] the community was more

[4:06:17] engagement with the

[4:06:18] police, they even said

[4:06:19] more engagement out of

[4:06:20] uniform to be involved.

[4:06:22] So let me ask, chief, how

[4:06:26] strong is sapd youth

[4:06:27] involvement, for example,

[4:06:30] do we still have a very

[4:06:31] active police

[4:06:35] thickically? That's

[4:06:37] correctly, do we have

[4:06:39] police help out ymca,

[4:06:41] boys clubs, girls clubs,

[4:06:43] do they go to any of the

[4:06:44] neighborhood community

[4:06:46] centers and get involved?

[4:06:46] And is there a process or

[4:06:47] a procedure or a

[4:06:49] recommendation that

[4:06:51] goes out to our officers

[4:06:53] to get them involved or

[4:06:55] to kind of monitor that?

[4:06:57] >> chief: so the answer

[4:07:00] to your question, and I'm

[4:07:03] going to -- this is on

[4:07:03] duty stuff.

[4:07:04] The answer to your

[4:07:06] question is, yes, we have

[4:07:08] a very active pal

[4:07:09] program, as a matter of

[4:07:17] fact, just recently in

[4:07:20] district 5, there was a

[4:07:21] box -- sorry.

[4:07:22] [Chuckling]

[4:07:23] There was a boxing -- I

[4:07:24] don't know what you want

[4:07:28] to call it, exhibition or

[4:07:30] a boxing calf that was

[4:07:30] put

[4:07:35] camp that wasput on by one of our park

[4:07:37] police officers who has a

[4:07:38] boxing gym in district 5,

[4:07:40] and he is always doing

[4:07:42] things with kids in

[4:07:47] regards to his boxing

[4:07:47] program.

[4:07:49] We have a -- a program

[4:07:50] that we've been doing for

[4:07:52] a few years now called

[4:07:53] success through respect,

[4:07:57] and we go to the schools,

[4:07:58] with go to other venues

[4:07:59] and put that on.

[4:08:01] I was at one about two,

[4:08:03] three saturdays ago, at

[4:08:04] one of the schools over

[4:08:07] on the east side, doing a

[4:08:09] success to respect

[4:08:10] program.

[4:08:11] Officer doug green, I

[4:08:13] don't know if that name

[4:08:14] sounds familiar to any of

[4:08:15] you, but officer doug

[4:08:19] green is -- came up with

[4:08:20] that program.

[4:08:21] We have programs that we

[4:08:25] put on for students at

[4:08:26] our academy, we bring

[4:08:27] them in, we run them

[4:08:28] through the same training

[4:08:31] that some of our

[4:08:31] councilmembers have been

[4:08:34] through, last few months.

[4:08:35] So, yeah, the answer to

[4:08:37] your question is yes, we

[4:08:38] do have a strong outreach

[4:08:39] program with youth coming

[4:08:40] from our -- our officers

[4:08:43] on the department.

[4:08:44] >> COUNCILMAN, are you

[4:08:46] seeing maybe there's a --

[4:08:47] maybe a gap there, or an

[4:08:48] opportunity that maybe we

[4:08:50] could take advantage of?

[4:08:52] >> well, I think from

[4:08:54] what I'm hearing you're

[4:08:55] talking about on duty in

[4:08:57] uniform, and I think what

[4:08:58] the community is asking

[4:09:00] for is more offduty out

[4:09:01] of uniform as a member of

[4:09:03] the community showing up

[4:09:05] and being involved, and,

[4:09:06] you know, I think the

[4:09:07] city does that.

[4:09:10] We ask our city staff to

[4:09:10] volunteer for different

[4:09:12] things all the time.

[4:09:14] And they do, and it's on

[4:09:14] their own time.

[4:09:16] Maybe we compensate them

[4:09:18] for doing something like

[4:09:19] that.

[4:09:22] And I -- and I think

[4:09:22] that's.

[4:09:22] [Lapse in audio]

[4:09:24] Real community engagement

[4:09:25] so that people don't see

[4:09:27] a uniform, they see a

[4:09:28] real human being out

[4:09:29] there doing things so --

[4:09:32] I would like to see if we

[4:09:33] can enhance that kind of

[4:09:35] a program and track it so

[4:09:38] that we can see out of 24

[4:09:40] police officers, do we

[4:09:43] have ten doing things?

[4:09:44] 50 doing things?

[4:09:45] Or 500 doing things?

[4:09:46] >> you know, COUNCILMAN,

[4:09:48] I do know that our police

[4:09:49] officers volunteer on

[4:09:50] their own time in

[4:09:52] different activities

[4:09:53] across the community,

[4:09:54] food bank, helping during

[4:09:55] christmas to provide toys

[4:09:57] to kids.

[4:09:59] We don't measure that to

[4:10:00] your point, that's

[4:10:01] something that we can do,

[4:10:03] but they do volunteer,

[4:10:05] and I think what we need

[4:10:07] to do better is let the

[4:10:09] community know, because

[4:10:12] they're not on their

[4:10:12] uniforms, probably the

[4:10:14] community doesn't make

[4:10:15] the connection they're

[4:10:17] from the police

[4:10:19] department, but they do,

[4:10:21] definitely we can track

[4:10:22] those volunteer

[4:10:23] activities they

[4:10:24] participate on.

[4:10:24] >> Courage: I don't

[4:10:26] want to interfere with

[4:10:27] the lives of our police

[4:10:28] officers, but I think we

[4:10:29] hold them to a higher

[4:10:31] standard and higher

[4:10:32] expectation, I think

[4:10:33] that's what the community

[4:10:34] is asking for.

[4:10:35] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[4:10:36] thank you, councilmember

[4:10:36] courage.

[4:10:39] >> Courage: my time is

[4:10:39] up?

[4:10:41] Okay, I'll come back.

[4:10:41] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[4:10:42] councilmember --

[4:10:46] >> it's cardonnas boxing

[4:10:47] gym in district 5.

[4:10:48] Thank you for your team

[4:10:50] for providing district 5

[4:10:51] with the district 5

[4:10:52] uniform crime report,

[4:10:54] what that data shows us

[4:10:56] is that the majority of

[4:10:58] crimes in district 5 are

[4:10:59] property crimes, that

[4:11:00] aligns with the stories

[4:11:02] you was hearing on the

[4:11:04] door, there are dark

[4:11:05] alleyways and folks were

[4:11:07] jumping the gate to steal

[4:11:09] whatever was in the back

[4:11:10] yard, the main street was

[4:11:11] very dark, and people

[4:11:12] were stealing their patio

[4:11:13] furniture, so I support

[4:11:18] the initiative for index

[4:11:19] study where we need to

[4:11:20] increase lighting.

[4:11:24] I think the heat map

[4:11:25] would be good to.

[4:11:26] [Lapse in audio]

[4:11:27] In addition to that,

[4:11:30] yesterday I attended a

[4:11:30] neighborhood association

[4:11:32] meeting, I spoke with our

[4:11:33] safe officer luis, and

[4:11:35] the majority of questions

[4:11:37] directed at officer luis

[4:11:39] was questions regarding

[4:11:41] homelessness and loose

[4:11:42] dog, I think there's room

[4:11:43] there that we need to

[4:11:46] invest in outreach, as

[4:11:47] well as supporting animal

[4:11:48] care service to ensure

[4:11:50] that the burden is not

[4:11:52] all falling on sapd, and

[4:11:54] those are my comments.

[4:11:54] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[4:11:56] thank you, councilmember

[4:11:57] castillo, councilmember,

[4:11:59] cabello havrda?

[4:12:01] >> cabello havrda.

[4:12:03] Thank you, mayor.

[4:12:05] The safe officer program,

[4:12:05] you have a slide that

[4:12:09] says how can sapd build

[4:12:10] better community

[4:12:10] relationships?

[4:12:11] I found that to be the

[4:12:13] number one way to improve

[4:12:14] relationships with the

[4:12:15] community, and district

[4:12:16] 6, and I'm sure

[4:12:17] throughout the city, our

[4:12:18] safe officers go and

[4:12:20] check on our elderly, you

[4:12:22] know, they have a really

[4:12:23] good relationships with

[4:12:23] the neighborhoods.

[4:12:25] Sort of their on-call

[4:12:26] officer, and a lot of

[4:12:27] times they're the face of

[4:12:29] the police department to

[4:12:30] the community, so I

[4:12:31] support that.

[4:12:35] You mentioned the pal

[4:12:38] program, chief, the

[4:12:40] police athletically,

[4:12:41] they're teaching sports

[4:12:43] to at risk youth, and I

[4:12:44] think that is another

[4:12:46] really strong way to

[4:12:47] increase community

[4:12:48] involvement, in the at

[4:12:49] risk areas, where youth

[4:12:49] are at risk.

[4:12:51] Can you talk a little bit

[4:12:52] more about the pal

[4:12:52] program?

[4:12:54] >> chief: sure.

[4:12:58] So there are -- it's not

[4:13:00] a very large unit, only a

[4:13:01] few officers that are

[4:13:02] assigned to it, but they

[4:13:05] run the midnight

[4:13:07] basketball leagues --

[4:13:08] well, everything went

[4:13:09] dormant when we had

[4:13:11] covid, but -- and I'm not

[4:13:11] sure what the schedule is

[4:13:13] for this summer, but

[4:13:14] they've run the midnight

[4:13:16] basketball programs, they

[4:13:19] do basketball

[4:13:20] initiatives, most of the

[4:13:22] time on the weekends the

[4:13:24] ones that I've been to,

[4:13:25] but pretty much anything

[4:13:26] that I've -- I think

[4:13:29] there's a baseball -- a

[4:13:31] baseball team or league

[4:13:32] that pal is involved in

[4:13:34] right now, don't quote me

[4:13:36] on that, I think I was

[4:13:37] talking about that the

[4:13:38] other day, but they're

[4:13:40] constantly involved in

[4:13:42] activities involving --

[4:13:43] involving youth, and one

[4:13:45] of the things that just

[4:13:47] came to mind as we were

[4:13:49] talking about young folks

[4:13:52] is I spoke at marshall

[4:13:53] high school about a month

[4:13:55] or so ago, at their --

[4:13:56] they have a law

[4:13:57] enforcement program, and

[4:13:59] they have a medical

[4:14:00] curriculum as well, if

[4:14:03] you wanted to take that

[4:14:05] track, and there were

[4:14:06] about, I want to say

[4:14:07] probably a couple of

[4:14:09] hundred kids there, and

[4:14:13] their parents, and I

[4:14:15] offered them -- gave them

[4:14:17] all my phone number and

[4:14:19] said if any of your kids

[4:14:21] want to do an internship

[4:14:22] program in the police

[4:14:23] department, call me.

[4:14:26] And I got a few calls, so

[4:14:32] we are starting a two --

[4:14:33] it's not -- we're not

[4:14:35] calling it an internship

[4:14:36] program, but we're

[4:14:38] calling it a summer camp,

[4:14:39] and they're 13 and 14

[4:14:41] years old, they come in

[4:14:43] for a period, in the

[4:14:44] beginning of the summer,

[4:14:45] and then come in during a

[4:14:46] period the end of the

[4:14:47] summer, we started that

[4:14:48] this summer as well.

[4:14:50] >> I'm on the board of

[4:14:52] that program, so I'm glad

[4:14:54] to hear you're there at

[4:14:56] marshall, I'm glad to

[4:14:58] hear you're involved.

[4:14:59] I would be remiss if I

[4:15:00] didn't bring up -- I

[4:15:02] bring up safe and pal and

[4:15:04] good ways to involve the

[4:15:05] community, but we still

[4:15:06] have to worry about the

[4:15:07] street level, the stops,

[4:15:09] right, the everyday

[4:15:10] interactions with the

[4:15:11] police that aren't safe

[4:15:12] officers, that aren't

[4:15:13] with the pal program, so

[4:15:15] continue to work with

[4:15:16] you, chief, on the

[4:15:18] training, increased

[4:15:19] diversity training and

[4:15:20] sensitivity of our

[4:15:22] officers and helping them

[4:15:23] to do their jobs well,

[4:15:24] and better.

[4:15:27] I mean, they always do it

[4:15:28] well, but do it better,

[4:15:30] and making sure that the

[4:15:30] community involvement,

[4:15:31] when we say involvement,

[4:15:33] I really mean that it's a

[4:15:33] partnership.

[4:15:34] There's a way that the

[4:15:35] community is partnering

[4:15:37] with the city to make --

[4:15:37] I'm sorry, the police

[4:15:38] department to make the

[4:15:39] city better.

[4:15:40] Thank you.

[4:15:41] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[4:15:42] great, thank you, cabello

[4:15:43] havrda.

[4:15:43] Okay.

[4:15:45] On this second round,

[4:15:46] please note anything that

[4:15:47] has already been

[4:15:48] discussed doesn't need to

[4:15:50] be rediscussed since

[4:15:51] we're trying to move

[4:15:52] efficiently.

[4:15:53] Councilmember perry?

[4:15:54] >> Perry: thank you,

[4:15:54] sir.

[4:15:56] One of the things that

[4:15:58] we've touched on real

[4:16:01] lightly was the --

[4:16:02] that -- the study, the

[4:16:04] scientific study that was

[4:16:05] performed here about

[4:16:06] police services and what

[4:16:08] have you, and the

[4:16:09] community as a whole, the

[4:16:11] percentage of people that

[4:16:12] were happy, the

[4:16:13] percentage of people that

[4:16:15] wanted more visibility of

[4:16:17] police, and I'm -- I'm

[4:16:19] agreeing with that

[4:16:20] report, and the constant

[4:16:22] thing that I get from my

[4:16:25] district is we need more

[4:16:26] policemen on the streets,

[4:16:27] so I would like to see

[4:16:30] some additional

[4:16:31] authorizations in the

[4:16:32] police department to make

[4:16:33] that happen, whether

[4:16:35] that's through the safe

[4:16:37] programs or patrolmen on

[4:16:38] the street, so I would

[4:16:39] like to put that out

[4:16:41] there, erik, let's get

[4:16:42] some more authorizations

[4:16:44] to renegligent what

[4:16:46] reflect what that

[4:16:48] study was and what people

[4:16:49] responded toward on that

[4:16:49] study.

[4:16:50] Thank you, sir.

[4:16:51] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[4:16:53] thank you, councilmember

[4:16:54] perry, councilmember

[4:16:54] viagran?

[4:16:55] >> Viagran: thank you.

[4:16:57] I just want to agree with

[4:16:58] COUNCILMAN Mckee

[4:16:59] rodriguez on the

[4:17:00] lighting, and the heat

[4:17:01] map, and if we could talk

[4:17:02] a little more about that

[4:17:04] on street maintenance and

[4:17:05] infrastructure, that

[4:17:06] would be great.

[4:17:07] The one thing I'm going

[4:17:09] to task my staff to do,

[4:17:11] but if you have the

[4:17:12] information, about how

[4:17:13] many uniforms do we

[4:17:14] actually have in the

[4:17:16] different areas and

[4:17:17] districts, because I know

[4:17:19] for me, I have rural

[4:17:21] areas, so there are the

[4:17:21] bexar county sheriff

[4:17:23] deputies, there's

[4:17:24] constables, school

[4:17:25] districts, and I have a

[4:17:26] university, so I think

[4:17:27] when we talk about

[4:17:29] policing and sapd and who

[4:17:31] they're seeing kind of

[4:17:32] understanding who is out

[4:17:34] there, in the different

[4:17:35] areas, umm, that's why I

[4:17:36] think maybe counties

[4:17:37] should take over the

[4:17:38] fireworks, because they

[4:17:40] do sell them, so maybe we

[4:17:41] could get county

[4:17:43] officials to do that?

[4:17:44] [Laughter]

[4:17:45] And I think when we talk

[4:17:48] about marketing, how our

[4:17:50] sapd members are doing

[4:17:51] volunteer work.

[4:17:54] I would task sapoa to do

[4:17:57] that, because they keep a

[4:17:58] great record of the

[4:17:58] outreach that they do,

[4:18:00] and I know they've done

[4:18:00] different catholic

[4:18:02] schools in my area.

[4:18:03] I want to talk about

[4:18:04] that.

[4:18:06] And then when we talk

[4:18:07] about the community

[4:18:08] health and equity

[4:18:11] recommendations, I think

[4:18:13] if we took our own ndo

[4:18:15] and implemented it fully

[4:18:16] within the police

[4:18:17] department, we could

[4:18:20] address a lot of those

[4:18:21] issues, so I would like

[4:18:22] to see us look at that.

[4:18:24] And the other thing is,

[4:18:25] our spanish speakers,

[4:18:27] because I know officers

[4:18:29] get a stipend because

[4:18:30] they're spanish speakers,

[4:18:31] maybe we can also get

[4:18:33] them trained more

[4:18:34] specifically with the

[4:18:37] violence -- I call it

[4:18:40] safe vic, and the mental

[4:18:41] health, if we could get

[4:18:42] them trained in that

[4:18:43] also, I think that would

[4:18:44] be helpful.

[4:18:46] >> chief: councilmember,

[4:18:47] every officer is required

[4:18:49] to do the 40 hour memphis

[4:18:52] block of training, so

[4:18:53] used to be back in 2007,

[4:18:55] I guess it was, it was

[4:18:56] voluntary.

[4:18:57] I think I made it

[4:19:01] mandatory in 2008.

[4:19:02] And to get out of the

[4:19:03] academy, and also to

[4:19:04] get -- well, before it

[4:19:07] was an academy training,

[4:19:08] you had to take that

[4:19:09] block of training in

[4:19:10] order to be issued a

[4:19:11] taser, and then it became

[4:19:12] a block of training that

[4:19:14] you had to take before

[4:19:16] you graduated from the

[4:19:16] academy.

[4:19:19] And everybody is involved

[4:19:23] in the cit -- cit.

[4:19:24] >> Viagran: I want to

[4:19:26] make sure -- maybe -- I

[4:19:29] don't know if we can

[4:19:29] incentivize it for them

[4:19:31] to take an upgrade or

[4:19:32] more relevant training

[4:19:35] for what they might see

[4:19:37] as they -- as they face

[4:19:38] other things with people

[4:19:39] having other sort of

[4:19:40] addictions, and I think

[4:19:42] we'll see another round

[4:19:43] of how people are dealing

[4:19:45] with the covid and coming

[4:19:46] out of covid where we

[4:19:48] might have to look for

[4:19:48] specialized training for

[4:19:49] that also.

[4:19:51] So that's all my

[4:19:52] comments, thank you.

[4:19:52] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[4:19:54] thank you, councilmember

[4:19:55] viagran, councilmember

[4:19:56] bravo?

[4:19:56] >> Bravo: thank you.

[4:19:57] I know the mayor is

[4:19:58] trying to move this

[4:19:59] meeting along, so I'll

[4:20:01] make some comments and

[4:20:03] I'm happy to take the

[4:20:06] responses offline later.

[4:20:07] But around five years ago

[4:20:09] a neighbor of mine told

[4:20:10] me he was going to be out

[4:20:11] of town, can you keep an

[4:20:13] eye on my house, I said

[4:20:14] sure, I was walking my

[4:20:16] dog at 10:00 at night,

[4:20:17] his front door was open

[4:20:19] and lights were on at

[4:20:20] 10:00 at night over the

[4:20:20] weekend.

[4:20:23] I called 911, and it took

[4:20:24] forever to get a

[4:20:26] response.

[4:20:28] And so I want to make

[4:20:28] sure that when somebody

[4:20:30] does need a police

[4:20:31] officer, that they can

[4:20:32] get them quickly.

[4:20:34] So I want to reduce 911

[4:20:36] response times.

[4:20:37] And I guess one of my

[4:20:38] questions that I can

[4:20:40] takeoff

[4:20:42] takeoffline, my understanding

[4:20:43] there's a subset of

[4:20:45] people who call

[4:20:46] frequently, and maybe

[4:20:48] slow down services or tie

[4:20:51] up services, and I'm

[4:20:51] wondering if there could

[4:20:53] be investments in mental

[4:20:54] health services or

[4:20:55] something to that effect,

[4:20:56] addressing -- helping

[4:20:57] support some of these

[4:20:59] people in ways such that

[4:21:01] they're not tying up 911

[4:21:01] resources?

[4:21:03] So I would be very

[4:21:03] interested in if there

[4:21:04] are opportunities to make

[4:21:06] improvements there that

[4:21:07] we're investmenting

[4:21:10] investing in those

[4:21:10] opportunities.

[4:21:11] And in addition to that,

[4:21:12] I just wanted to note

[4:21:15] some general support for

[4:21:16] COUNCILMAN Mckee

[4:21:17] rodriguez's approach that

[4:21:19] I'm going to paraphrase

[4:21:21] as being just a more

[4:21:22] comprehensive and

[4:21:23] holistic approach to

[4:21:24] public safety.

[4:21:25] Thank you.

[4:21:25] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[4:21:27] thank you, councilmember

[4:21:28] bravo.

[4:21:28] Councilmember.

[4:21:30] >> Rocha-Garcia:?

[4:21:31] >>

[4:21:33] >> Rocha-Garcia:.

[4:21:35] Thank you, this is my

[4:21:38] second go round, I'll

[4:21:40] start out by saying I do

[4:21:43] agree with mckee

[4:21:45] rodriguez's point, so

[4:21:46] thank you for that, and

[4:21:48] then the lighting study,

[4:21:50] but, chief, I think what

[4:21:51] we hear here is a

[4:21:52] discussion about the need

[4:21:53] for additional community

[4:21:54] programs, and that was

[4:21:56] going to be my -- my

[4:21:58] question was going to be

[4:22:00] specifically with the

[4:22:01] cops program, national

[4:22:03] night out, so continue to

[4:22:04] fund that especially as

[4:22:05] we come out of the

[4:22:05] pandemic, that's

[4:22:06] important to my

[4:22:07] residents.

[4:22:08] I know that.

[4:22:11] I do want to go on record

[4:22:14] by saying that our safe

[4:22:15] officers are awesome.

[4:22:17] I mean, they were in

[4:22:18] senior high school

[4:22:18] parades this year.

[4:22:20] I mean, they're out there

[4:22:22] trying to do stuff.

[4:22:27] We know that sapoa has

[4:22:28] the blue gives back,

[4:22:30] they're out there, it

[4:22:32] might not be identified,

[4:22:34] but it MAY be a branding

[4:22:35] problem, maybe they need

[4:22:38] to continue wearing sapd

[4:22:39] shirts when they're off,

[4:22:40] but I do think that some

[4:22:42] of them also want that to

[4:22:44] stay anonymous when

[4:22:45] they're in their lives as

[4:22:46] well, they don't want to

[4:22:47] kind of identify then

[4:22:48] selves, so I think

[4:22:49] there's a steady balance.

[4:22:50] I know they do a lot.

[4:22:53] I know that in their off

[4:22:54] time, they continue

[4:22:55] focusing on these things.

[4:22:56] There's a program over at

[4:22:58] southwest isd, and that's

[4:23:01] the -- the main reason

[4:23:03] that I want to chime back

[4:23:07] in, the promise program,

[4:23:10] southwest isd paired up

[4:23:10] their police officers

[4:23:11] with kids.

[4:23:12] [Lapse in audio]

[4:23:14] And so they gave them

[4:23:15] this program, it's a

[4:23:18] six-week program, awesome

[4:23:19] training, but I think

[4:23:20] that the main part of it

[4:23:22] that I learned from that

[4:23:23] program is that they made

[4:23:24] a connection, and so they

[4:23:25] were very specific in who

[4:23:26] they teamed up to be

[4:23:29] their mentor.

[4:23:30] So someone that was just

[4:23:32] like that child, or had a

[4:23:33] similar experience, and I

[4:23:34] think that makes a world

[4:23:35] of a difference, so I

[4:23:36] don't know if there's

[4:23:37] anything in your area

[4:23:38] that y'all are exploring,

[4:23:39] but specifically, in

[4:23:41] regard to mentorship, we

[4:23:45] know that gen z is a

[4:23:46] general thaition that

[4:23:48] wants and accepting

[4:23:48] mentoring, so anything

[4:23:49] that you can tell me

[4:23:50] about that?

[4:23:52] Any mentoring

[4:23:52] opportunities, programs

[4:23:54] that you might see?

[4:23:58] >> chief: we don't have

[4:24:00] any specific mentoring

[4:24:01] programs right now, at

[4:24:06] least that I'm aware of,

[4:24:08] and I think -- let me

[4:24:10] walk that back.

[4:24:12] I have to check on it,

[4:24:13] I'll get back to you, I

[4:24:15] think there actually is a

[4:24:17] mentoring program for

[4:24:19] young women, students.

[4:24:21] I think that actually

[4:24:22] exists, but I have to --

[4:24:23] I can't remember if I was

[4:24:24] just having a

[4:24:25] conversation about it, or

[4:24:26] if I -- if it actually

[4:24:28] does exist, so I'll let

[4:24:30] you know about that.

[4:24:33] >> okay, thank you,

[4:24:35] chief, at the substakes,

[4:24:36] they do a great job with

[4:24:38] our youth initiatives as

[4:24:39] well, I would love to

[4:24:40] learn more about

[4:24:41] mentoring specifically.

[4:24:42] Thank you, councilmember.

[4:24:43] >> Rocha-Garcia:,

[4:24:44] councilmember pala

[4:24:45] ez?

[4:24:47] >> Pal*ez: thank you.

[4:24:48] Erik so far you've heard

[4:24:49] I think three

[4:24:55] councilmembers, viagran,

[4:24:55] COUNCILWOMAN.

[4:24:56] >> Rocha-Garcia: talk

[4:24:57] about lighting as part of

[4:25:00] the solution for crime,

[4:25:01] ryan dillard is playing

[4:25:03] very close attention I

[4:25:04] think it MAY be time for

[4:25:05] us to dust off the

[4:25:07] lighting plan that was

[4:25:09] COUNCILMAN Trevino helped

[4:25:10] to two-point as part

[4:25:12] develop as part of

[4:25:13] this conversation.

[4:25:15] I think you're going to

[4:25:17] be amazed, impressed with

[4:25:18] what the department came

[4:25:19] up with, in response to

[4:25:21] what you think is needed,

[4:25:24] because what you think is

[4:25:25] needed, smart lighting

[4:25:26] program, if somebody dust

[4:25:28] that off or maybe present

[4:25:29] it at a future meeting or

[4:25:31] brief our councilmembers

[4:25:32] so that you guys can get

[4:25:32] behind this.

[4:25:35] I think it's one of the

[4:25:36] most important crime

[4:25:38] prevention and quality of

[4:25:39] life programs that we'll

[4:25:41] have created.

[4:25:43] >> that's a great point,

[4:25:44] COUNCILMAN, because there

[4:25:47] was an effort and it

[4:25:48] wasn't a citywide effort,

[4:25:50] but it was a -- it was an

[4:25:52] effort that was targeted

[4:25:53] a couple of neighborhoods

[4:25:56] that was informative,

[4:25:57] plus what you're

[4:25:59] referring to with the

[4:26:00] smart street lights and

[4:26:02] the work that we did with

[4:26:06] smart cities led through

[4:26:07] brian dillard's office,

[4:26:09] so I think we need to

[4:26:10] probably better inform

[4:26:11] ourselves, because it's

[4:26:12] been a couple of years,

[4:26:15] and then figure out how

[4:26:16] that fits into -- a

[4:26:17] number of councilmembers

[4:26:19] have brought up street

[4:26:19] lighting.

[4:26:20] I'll share with the

[4:26:21] council, one of the

[4:26:23] things that I heard in

[4:26:24] the 27 community meetings

[4:26:27] was not just we want a

[4:26:30] new pole, it's that we

[4:26:32] want the street lights

[4:26:33] that are out replaced,

[4:26:33] and so.

[4:26:35] [Lapse in audio]

[4:26:38] Issue, when that happens,

[4:26:39] an individual call 3-1-1,

[4:26:41] this is actually very

[4:26:43] similar to our

[4:26:44] conversation yesterday

[4:26:45] with cps and saws, you

[4:26:46] can call 3-1-1, you

[4:26:47] report your street light,

[4:26:50] that service level --

[4:26:52] that service request goes

[4:26:53] to cps to replace, and

[4:26:54] what I heard in a number

[4:26:57] of those meetings was,

[4:26:59] you know, it's two, three

[4:27:00] months later, so we're

[4:27:02] going to be working with

[4:27:03] cps to figure out what is

[4:27:04] the service level

[4:27:06] agreement when somebody

[4:27:07] calls a light that's out,

[4:27:09] they're calling the city,

[4:27:10] they don't really care

[4:27:11] whose bucket truck goes

[4:27:14] out there, but there's an

[4:27:15] expectation, we're going

[4:27:16] to be working on that

[4:27:18] angle as well.

[4:27:20] >> Pal*ez: COUNCILWOMAN

[4:27:24] Rocha, you mentioned

[4:27:24] criminologists, they've

[4:27:26] been knocking our door

[4:27:29] down, we got to meet with

[4:27:30] the criminologists, I

[4:27:31] think we're working with

[4:27:32] them, so those

[4:27:34] relationships exist.

[4:27:39] >> yes, utsa, the

[4:27:40] criminologist, DR. Smith,

[4:27:41] they did the analysis of

[4:27:43] the 911 calls as part of

[4:27:45] this study.

[4:27:46] >> and the research

[4:27:48] department at utsa, we're

[4:27:48] going to be bringing

[4:27:50] forward to council in

[4:27:53] AUGUST, a proposed master

[4:27:57] ila with utsa, the broad

[4:27:58] utsa again spearheaded

[4:27:59] through the work of

[4:28:01] innovation and brian

[4:28:02] dillard, so that the

[4:28:02] police department can

[4:28:08] rely on experts rozzy,

[4:28:09] its will be open to any

[4:28:10] city department to

[4:28:11] connect to whatever

[4:28:14] expert we need at utsa.

[4:28:18] >> chief: councilmember

[4:28:21] rocha garcia, we are in

[4:28:22] discussions with region

[4:28:23] 20 right now for a

[4:28:24] citywide mentorship

[4:28:25] program, so that's

[4:28:27] happening.

[4:28:27] >> Mayor Nirenberg:

[4:28:29] thank you, councilmember

[4:28:29] pala

[4:28:30] ez.

[4:28:31] Councilmember courage?

[4:28:32] >> Courage: thank you,

[4:28:36] mayor.

[4:28:38] Chief, what is the --

[4:28:39] what are the number of

[4:28:41] officers that get

[4:28:42] dispatched -- if there's

[4:28:44] a call for potential

[4:28:46] domestic violence or

[4:28:48] somebody in mental health

[4:28:49] crisis or somebody

[4:28:50] complains there's a

[4:28:53] burglar around their

[4:28:53] property?

[4:28:54] How many officers are

[4:28:54] usually dispatched to

[4:28:56] those kinds of calls.

[4:28:57] >> chief: it depends on

[4:28:58] the nature of the call.

[4:28:59] Domestic violence,

[4:29:00] there's always two to

[4:29:01] start with.

[4:29:05] Burglary, there's

[4:29:07] burglary, there's typically a

[4:29:09] call for a burglar, there's

[4:29:10] typically two.

[4:29:14] It depends on the call, how

[4:29:16] dangerous it might be, MAY start

[4:29:18] out with two and MAY wind up

[4:29:19] with ten.

[4:29:21] It's just the nature of what

[4:29:21] happens.

[4:29:22] >> Courage: we've talked a lot

[4:29:24] about trying to get

[4:29:26] professionals to address some of

[4:29:31] these kinds of issues,

[4:29:32] especially homeless and mental

[4:29:33] health and domestic violence.

[4:29:36] In your professional opinion, if

[4:29:38] it was a professional going,

[4:29:39] would you feel comfortable with

[4:29:42] a single police officer?

[4:29:44] >> again, depends on the nature

[4:29:44] of the call.

[4:29:48] Probably not.

[4:29:49] Again, depending on the nature

[4:29:51] of the call.

[4:29:53] >> Courage: what I'm trying to

[4:29:55] get to, are we really going to

[4:29:55] help put more police officers

[4:29:58] out doing patrol by adding a

[4:30:02] professional to go with the

[4:30:04] police officer there.

[4:30:07] And it's my personal belief that

[4:30:08] any police officer going to a

[4:30:11] mental health call, or domestic

[4:30:13] violence, or, you know,

[4:30:15] something along those lines, or

[4:30:18] homeless, you know, I'd rather

[4:30:22] the police be there in the

[4:30:22] foreground.

[4:30:24] I think that's one step.

[4:30:25] But the other step is, are we

[4:30:27] actually releasing more police

[4:30:29] officers to do more serious

[4:30:30] patrol duty.

[4:30:31] From what you're indicating,

[4:30:33] that wouldn't be the case.

[4:30:35] >> I think -- I don't want to

[4:30:37] undersell and I don't think any

[4:30:39] of us should want to undersell

[4:30:42] the potential danger of a

[4:30:43] domestic violence call.

[4:30:44] Or any call.

[4:30:47] Depending who answers the door

[4:30:49] when you knock on it, who can

[4:30:49] handle it.

[4:30:51] If you want to send a civilian

[4:30:54] to a dangerous call, or could be

[4:30:55] dangerous, have that person

[4:30:57] knock on the door, there's a

[4:30:58] strong potential for that person

[4:30:59] to get hurt.

[4:31:00] >> I'm going to refer the rest

[4:31:02] of this conversation to the

[4:31:03] public safety committee since

[4:31:04] that's where the recommendations

[4:31:07] are going to be baked into and

[4:31:09] brought back to council.

[4:31:15] Let's go to councilmember

[4:31:15] castillo

[4:31:16] castillo.

[4:31:22] >> Castillo: my question is to

[4:31:24] [Lapse in audio] Is there a

[4:31:26] timeline to fill these

[4:31:26] positions?

[4:31:29] >> as part of this project,

[4:31:31] there are recommendations for

[4:31:34] AUGUST, to increase the

[4:31:35] professionals to assist us with

[4:31:37] the mental health calls.

[4:31:40] So we'll provide you that number

[4:31:42] AUGUST 12, once we sign those

[4:31:43] recommendations.

[4:31:44] And of course, with an

[4:31:46] implementation plan as well.

[4:31:47] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[4:31:49] councilmember castillo.

[4:31:51] Just to wrap this discussion up,

[4:31:52] if we can recall where we were

[4:31:56] last year, with regard to budget

[4:31:58] discussions, it's a different

[4:32:03] tenor, but there are consistent

[4:32:04] sis here.

[4:32:06] And we have to find balance

[4:32:08] between our public safety, not

[4:32:10] just on the emergency response,

[4:32:13] but what we're doing to prevent

[4:32:14] events from happening.

[4:32:15] That's what I'm hearing.

[4:32:18] I'm grateful for the sober

[4:32:19] approach that this council has

[4:32:21] taken to better fund those

[4:32:23] community services, and

[4:32:24] infrastructure such as lighting.

[4:32:26] So that we're not having to fund

[4:32:31] the back end response to

[4:32:32] projects of underfunding

[4:32:32] communities.

[4:32:34] That's the approach I'm grateful

[4:32:35] we're taking and we should

[4:32:39] continue to do that.

[4:32:41] Similarly, I would ask as an

[4:32:42] alternative response, we think

[4:32:44] about what are the metrics that

[4:32:45] we're trying to see.

[4:32:49] What are we trying to achieve

[4:32:55] with alternative response.

[4:32:57] Is it police/community

[4:33:01] interaction in response to

[4:33:02] violence?

[4:33:03] What [Lapse in audio] And

[4:33:04] develop some measures that we

[4:33:07] can come back to, and determine

[4:33:08] whether or not we're achieving

[4:33:11] what we're trying to -- what is

[4:33:11] our desired result.

[4:33:13] I don't know if that's something

[4:33:15] you've already started to think

[4:33:15] about, maria, or chief.

[4:33:17] If you can comment on that.

[4:33:20] But I think we need to identify

[4:33:22] what those goals are, be

[4:33:23] deliberative about it and be

[4:33:24] committed to measuring against

[4:33:26] that.

[4:33:29] >> yes, mayor, we have, again,

[4:33:30] those discussions, especially

[4:33:32] with the work that our metro

[4:33:33] health department is doing, how

[4:33:35] are we going to measure the

[4:33:35] success.

[4:33:38] There's a lot of interaction

[4:33:41] between the work we're doing

[4:33:46] here with the police review and

[4:33:47] metro health strategic plan.

[4:33:49] We don't have it today, but we

[4:33:51] have started those discussions,

[4:33:54] how [Lapse in audio] Impact.

[4:33:55] >> Mayor Nirenberg: okay.

[4:33:55] Last thing I'll say is we have

[4:33:59] set the financial policy [Lapse

[4:34:05] in audio] Spending of the

[4:34:06] overall budget.

[4:34:08] We've hit it, we've fallen below

[4:34:13] that on several budgets [Lapse

[4:34:14] in audio] 6

[4:34:16] 3, 64% this year?

[4:34:20] >> 64.2, 64.3, yeah.

[4:34:22] >> Mayor Nirenberg: what's

[4:34:23] important going forward is the

[4:34:24] public safety budget grow in

[4:34:26] proportion to the rest of the

[4:34:26] budget.

[4:34:29] I would ask us, again, to take a

[4:34:32] look at these things shift,

[4:34:35] whether that's 66% needs to be

[4:34:37] examined also is an accurate

[4:34:40] measure of the overall size of

[4:34:41] the budgets relative to what

[4:34:41] each of the departments is

[4:34:43] doing.

[4:34:46] That's a different discussion

[4:34:46] for another day.

[4:34:49] I'll go back to erik next so he

[4:34:51] can transition us to the streets

[4:34:52] and sidewalks.

[4:34:55] >> you just did, mayor.

[4:34:56] Actually, I think tomika is

[4:35:01] starting.

[4:35:05] Tomika will go first, and then

[4:35:18] razi.

[4:35:20] Tomikaing

[4:35:24] tomika, welcome to your first

[4:35:25] budget session.

[4:35:26] >> good afternoon, everyone,

[4:35:29] MR. Mayor, councilmembers, thank

[4:35:30] you for the opportunity to share

[4:35:32] a little bit about our

[4:35:34] transportation and mobility

[4:35:35] plan.

[4:35:38] I'm the director of the

[4:35:40] department of transportation.

[4:35:42] >> so, first of all, I think

[4:35:44] it's important to start with

[4:35:45] what our vision and mission is.

[4:35:49] The focus of the transportation

[4:35:52] department is to focus on being

[4:35:54] dedicated to creating a safe,

[4:35:56] sustainable and equitable

[4:35:57] multi-modal transportation

[4:35:58] system for the city.

[4:35:59] And we're going to do that

[4:36:02] through strategic planning,

[4:36:05] community conversations,

[4:36:07] analysis, safety education, and

[4:36:09] project implementation.

[4:36:11] As you can see from this slide,

[4:36:14] our focus areas are sa bikes,

[4:36:18] vision, and sa tomorrow.

[4:36:21] The objective of sa bikes and

[4:36:24] vision zero, develop a safe and

[4:36:25] connected network of

[4:36:28] infrastructure for sa [Lapse in

[4:36:31] audio] And eliminate traffic

[4:36:33] fatalities and severe injuries

[4:36:34] with vision zero.

[4:36:37] Some of our key strategies,

[4:36:40] number one program, to update

[4:36:45] the bike [Lapse in audio] Plan.

[4:36:48] We want to educate everyone

[4:36:50] about what is the bicycle

[4:36:51] infrastructure, identify what

[4:36:53] the needs are of san antonians

[4:36:55] related to bicycle

[4:36:56] infrastructure, and I think as

[4:36:59] we talk about bike

[4:37:01] infrastructure, where is that

[4:37:04] latent demand for bicycle use,

[4:37:06] or people who use cycling.

[4:37:08] We want a safe culture,

[4:37:11] inclusive culture, also engage

[4:37:12] and educate our community about

[4:37:14] bicycling in cities.

[4:37:16] Now, when we talk about vision

[4:37:18] zero, these two programs are

[4:37:19] interrelated in that we are

[4:37:22] using the data we get from

[4:37:24] injuries and fatalities

[4:37:26] associated with the vision zero

[4:37:29] program to outline and inform

[4:37:30] how we approach, and the areas

[4:37:31] we improve bicycle

[4:37:32] infrastructure.

[4:37:34] I think it's really critical

[4:37:36] that we recognize these are

[4:37:39] related programs, and how we

[4:37:41] [Lapse in audio] By looking at

[4:37:42] the statistics and the data.

[4:37:45] So really, with this

[4:37:48] multi-meadal plan, we talked

[4:37:50] about the multi-modal plan, but

[4:37:52] most important right now is

[4:37:54] safety, and moving forward we

[4:37:56] need a big master plan update

[4:37:59] where we spend the next day

[4:38:00] doing surveying.

[4:38:03] I think the body has spoken

[4:38:04] about data and analysis.

[4:38:06] This is ideal for us to get the

[4:38:06] data.

[4:38:09] One of the reasons why we cannot

[4:38:11] provide a lot of detail about

[4:38:12] our program today is because we

[4:38:15] don't have data.

[4:38:19] So if you think 2011 was the

[4:38:22] last plan was updated, we had

[4:38:25] over a decade where we didn't

[4:38:28] have [Lapse in audio] To inform

[4:38:30] how we develop future bicycle

[4:38:31] infrastructure.

[4:38:32] The last program I want to talk

[4:38:33] about is sa tomorrow.

[4:38:34] This city has developed vision

[4:38:36] for where we want to go with

[4:38:38] sustainability, with housing,

[4:38:39] our comprehensive plan, and also

[4:38:42] with multi-modalism.

[4:38:44] How we're approaching our part

[4:38:46] as the transportation department

[4:38:48] is we're going to let the land

[4:38:51] use guide our transportation

[4:38:51] investments, and our

[4:38:53] transportation planning process.

[4:38:55] So we're coordinating with the

[4:38:56] planning department, and the

[4:38:58] next step for us is to develop

[4:39:01] transportation plans, or

[4:39:02] multi-modal transportation plans

[4:39:03] that are informed by the land

[4:39:05] use priorities.

[4:39:06] We'll work with our partners at

[4:39:08] via, and work with our partners

[4:39:11] at ampo and acot, and with all

[4:39:12] of your districts to understand

[4:39:15] based on those land use plans

[4:39:16] that many have been adopted, how

[4:39:18] does your community, how do your

[4:39:20] constituents want to circulate.

[4:39:23] What are their priority modes

[4:39:24] for their areas, where schools

[4:39:26] are located, based on where

[4:39:28] businesses are located, and the

[4:39:30] rest of the components.

[4:39:31] Right now, how we've been

[4:39:34] developing plans is through our

[4:39:37] bike I&p programs.

[4:39:39] For example, we're using bike

[4:39:41] imp funds for the trails

[4:39:41] projects.

[4:39:44] We're also looking at brooks and

[4:39:47] utsa right now with the imp

[4:39:49] program for those areas which

[4:39:50] are supporting the land use

[4:39:51] plans that have already been

[4:39:54] outlined through sa tomorrow.

[4:39:57] So one of the initiatives of

[4:39:59] leadership is to target specific

[4:40:01] areas for pedestrian and safety

[4:40:02] improvements.

[4:40:04] We've identified, based on the

[4:40:06] data that we have related to

[4:40:09] crashes, where we need to invest

[4:40:11] in the crossings.

[4:40:15] These are areas that are

[4:40:18] typically high traffic, adp,

[4:40:28] [Lapse in audio].

[4:40:31] We've seen an increase in a

[4:40:31] consistent series of fatalities

[4:40:34] and injuries.

[4:40:38] We look to this body [Lapse in

[4:40:40] audio] In doing these projects

[4:40:41] because part of the process is

[4:40:44] going to be the baby steps.

[4:40:45] So when we talk about the bike

[4:40:47] manager plan, I know many people

[4:40:48] think, hey, are we going to have

[4:40:50] to get the bike infrastructure

[4:40:51] that we need?

[4:40:52] No.

[4:40:55] We propose to use the imp this

[4:40:58] year to develop what they've

[4:41:01] utilized in denver called low

[4:41:02] stress streets.

[4:41:04] So instead of continue

[4:41:06] ing [Lapse

[4:41:09] in audio] We know are 35 miles

[4:41:10] an hour where we experience

[4:41:13] fatalities, we want to take our

[4:41:14] imp moneys and develop a

[4:41:16] low-stress system.

[4:41:19] I've been calling it a bunny

[4:41:20] rabbit system, you know,

[4:41:22] compared to the bunny slopes.

[4:41:23] This is going to be something

[4:41:24] that responds to the needs of

[4:41:27] the bicycle community.

[4:41:28] [Lapse in audio] In the process

[4:41:31] of updating our master plan, we

[4:41:36] can have a multi-colored, I

[4:41:38] mean, shared use paths and bike

[4:41:41] lanes, but we can also have a

[4:41:42] dedicated route system for

[4:41:44] people to travel on their

[4:41:45] bicycles and not feel

[4:41:47] intimidated by the road.

[4:41:48] And that's something we can

[4:41:51] collect data on and see how

[4:41:52] people experience that.

[4:41:54] With that, I would like to open

[4:41:56] it up to any questions that you

[4:41:58] MAY all have to not just bicycle

[4:42:00] programs, but also to any of the

[4:42:01] other programs I'll share with

[4:42:04] you this afternoon.

[4:42:06] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you

[4:42:08] very much, tomika.

[4:42:13] Are we -- so will we have razi

[4:42:15] come up and do this all

[4:42:16] together?

[4:42:17] Okay.

[4:42:18] We'll take razi and take

[4:42:19] questions from both of you at

[4:42:21] the same time, if that's all

[4:42:21] right.

[4:42:22] >> all right.

[4:42:24] >> Mayor Nirenberg: great.

[4:42:31] >> good afternoon mayor and

[4:42:33] council.

[4:42:38] I am razi hosseini.

[4:42:42] We have over 4,190 miles [Lapse

[4:42:42] in audio] Network throughout the

[4:42:45] city.

[4:42:48] 42% is in excellent condition or

[4:42:49] grade a.

[4:42:53] 22% is good condition, grade b.

[4:42:55] 12% is fair condition or grade

[4:42:55] c.

[4:42:59] And another 12% is [Lapse in

[4:43:01] audio] Or grade d.

[4:43:04] And we have [Lapse in audio] Is

[4:43:05] 11%.

[4:43:08] Overall, our network, 77% is

[4:43:12] good to fair condition.

[4:43:15] At 23% in poor or fair

[4:43:17] condition, which we'll be

[4:43:19] talking with you on the next

[4:43:21] slide.

[4:43:26] As I mentioned, we have 4

[4:43:27] ,000

[4:43:34] [Lapse in audio] Network.

[4:43:39] Estimated cost is 904 million.

[4:43:41] Historically, bond program has

[4:43:42] focused on enhancing and

[4:43:44] reconstruction project.

[4:43:47] As you can see on the table at

[4:43:51] the right, the maximum number of

[4:43:54] [Lapse in audio] In district 2.

[4:44:03] And [Lapse in audio] 1%.

[4:44:08] The proposed statement in bond

[4:44:12] funding, we are proposing

[4:44:15] operating funds to 38.8 million,

[4:44:18] certificates of obligation, 71.2

[4:44:21] million, [Lapse in audio] Bond

[4:44:21] program, and 110 million

[4:44:25] funding.

[4:44:30] by '23 we are also proposing 10

[4:44:32] million, 38.8 million in

[4:44:35] operating funds, 51.2 million

[4:44:40] from certificates of only

[4:44:40] continuation,

[4:44:41] obligation, and 20 million to

[4:44:47] come from the bond.

[4:44:51] This slide shows the city [Lapse

[4:44:56] in audio] Funding, since 2018.

[4:45:01] The goal is maintain and improve

[4:45:03] (Indiscernible) Or above.

[4:45:05] Overall, we are moving in the

[4:45:09] right direction of pci's

[4:45:09] improving.

[4:45:11] Pci improvement, and also bond

[4:45:13] funding.

[4:45:16] As you can see on this graph,

[4:45:21] our pci curve was very flat in

[4:45:24] 2019 and 2020.

[4:45:27] This was because of the

[4:45:28] deferral, we had 50 million

[4:45:30] deferred last year, therefore

[4:45:38] pci stays very flat.

[4:45:39] [Lapse in audio] Budget

[4:45:41] allocation, what we are

[4:45:43] proposing, very similar to what

[4:45:44] we did last year.

[4:45:48] 110 million, 50% based on the

[4:45:52] size of the district, and

[4:45:54] another 50% to be done based on

[4:45:58] the condition of the

[4:45:58] (Indiscernible).

[4:46:06] Because of this, we are

[4:46:07] proposing to get more funding to

[4:46:11] be able to maintain.

[4:46:12] On the table on the right is

[4:46:15] based on the condition, council

[4:46:18] district 1 and 2 and 10, it has

[4:46:20] a higher condition, therefore we

[4:46:25] are proposing to get more

[4:46:30] funding to address those issues.

[4:46:32] As I mentioned how we are

[4:46:33] proposed to do this relegation,

[4:46:37] as you can see 55 million based

[4:46:40] on the size districts 2 and 10

[4:46:46] will get maximum funding, over 6

[4:46:46] million.

[4:46:48] And when you look at the

[4:46:50] condition of the network in the

[4:46:53] middle of the table, district 1,

[4:46:55] 2 and 10 will be getting maximum

[4:46:56] funding.

[4:46:58] Overall, the number on the right

[4:47:00] side of this table, council

[4:47:03] district 2 and 10, and of

[4:47:04] course, one will be getting

[4:47:08] maximum of the funding for 2022.

[4:47:12] Let's talk about the sidewalk.

[4:47:18] We have [Lapse in audio] And of

[4:47:22] course we have [Lapse in audio]

[4:47:22] Gaps.

[4:47:24] District 3 has the maximum gap,

[4:47:25] and district 6 has a minimum

[4:47:27] gap.

[4:47:30] If we had to address these

[4:47:34] sidewalks today, it will cost us

[4:47:38] $565 million to address.

[4:47:40] Councilmember pelaez, you're

[4:47:42] right, the price has gone up.

[4:47:45] In 2019, we were building

[4:47:48] sidewalks $65 per linear foot.

[4:47:51] Four foot wide, one foot long,

[4:47:54] and 65 feet.

[4:47:56] Now $65 and more.

[4:47:57] Why?

[4:48:00] Because of the lumber [Lapse in

[4:48:04] audio] Concrete has gone up, the

[4:48:07] price has increase ed

[4:48:08] d

[4:48:12] (Indiscernible) 20%.

[4:48:16] This is since 2018 to 2022, how

[4:48:19] much we have spent and how much

[4:48:21] we're going to spend.

[4:48:24] From 2018 to 2021, we have

[4:48:27] average spent 18 million on the

[4:48:29] sidewalk, the majority [Lapse in

[4:48:32] audio] And of course, att

[4:48:33] funding.

[4:48:37] Next year we'll only have 11.5.

[4:48:38] 11.1 million.

[4:48:39] Because since completing the

[4:48:42] 2017 bond program, the APRIL

[4:48:45] sidewalk funding is going down.

[4:48:48] That's good news, we are

[4:48:50] finishing from $84 million we

[4:48:51] had [Lapse in audio] We are

[4:48:56] finishing most of those.

[4:49:00] This is how it shows our time

[4:49:03] proposed 2022 program.

[4:49:05] program development start JUNE,

[4:49:09] and last year [Lapse in audio]

[4:49:10] And many departments.

[4:49:13] OCTOBER to DECEMBER, consultant

[4:49:16] selection to assist us.

[4:49:19] Project scoping JANUARY and JUNE

[4:49:21] of this year.

[4:49:21] Committee appointment JUNE to

[4:49:25] JULY of this year.

[4:49:25] AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, we're going

[4:49:28] to have recommended project

[4:49:30] lists for the council.

[4:49:32] OCTOBER to DECEMBER we will have

[4:49:34] a community meeting.

[4:49:36] JANUARY to FEBRUARY of next

[4:49:37] year, council will be calling

[4:49:42] for the election, and first

[4:49:43] saturday in MAY of 2022 will be

[4:49:46] the election.

[4:49:47] Tomika and I are available to

[4:49:48] answer any questions you MAY

[4:49:54] have.

[4:49:54] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you

[4:49:57] for the presentations.

[4:50:02] And I know my colleagues [Lapse

[4:50:03] in audio] The last slide you

[4:50:05] showed, and I ask that you not

[4:50:06] fret in terms of that JUNE and

[4:50:07] JULY date.

[4:50:10] We are a little bit behind that

[4:50:12] calendar, for a lot of reasons.

[4:50:15] Not the least of which is that

[4:50:16] we're taking a couple steps back

[4:50:18] before we go full steps forward

[4:50:20] in talking about strategic

[4:50:20] outcomes.

[4:50:22] We talked about things like

[4:50:24] public health, connectivity,

[4:50:24] resilience.

[4:50:27] But also the fact we're trying

[4:50:28] to coordinate with the county as

[4:50:31] well as integrate our priorities

[4:50:33] with all the other potential

[4:50:34] infrastructure programs that

[4:50:35] might be available to us,

[4:50:37] whether it's the arp, discussion

[4:50:38] that we're going to have in

[4:50:41] phase 2, or what looks to be

[4:50:46] some consensus building on an

[4:50:46] infrastructure bill.

[4:50:48] so all of those are going to be

[4:50:49] in the context of this slide

[4:50:49] here.

[4:50:52] So as you think about the people

[4:50:53] in the community that you would

[4:50:55] like to appoint to the bonds,

[4:50:59] the bond process, just note that

[4:51:01] you didn't MISS A deadline or

[4:51:03] anything like that.

[4:51:05] If I have -- I just wanted to go

[4:51:09] to two slides, and just say,

[4:51:10] tomika, I agree with everything

[4:51:11] you said, so I don't really have

[4:51:12] any questions for you.

[4:51:14] I'm very much looking forward to

[4:51:15] the work that you're doing on

[4:51:17] land use integration with our

[4:51:19] mobility plans, with sa

[4:51:21] tomorrow.

[4:51:25] And also, your call of the bunny

[4:51:26] routes on the master plan.

[4:51:29] I wholeheartedly agree, and I

[4:51:31] think we need a bicycle master

[4:51:39] plan, but this council, I'm sure

[4:51:40] I am interested, in an sec

[4:51:40] rating development of the routes

[4:51:40] that we can, where we know there

[4:51:40] are priorities.

[4:51:41] So looking forward to working

[4:51:43] with you on that.

[4:51:44] Can we go to slide 2 of your

[4:51:49] presentation, razi?

[4:51:52] So our equity framework really

[4:51:54] began in the tci budget.

[4:51:56] Now it's split out.

[4:51:58] But maybe it's the -- it's slide

[4:52:13] 2.

[4:52:16] If you don't have it today,

[4:52:18] maybe when you have your

[4:52:21] department look at this, I'd

[4:52:22] like to see what this looks like

[4:52:24] compared to when we started.

[4:52:26] The idea is, we're trying to get

[4:52:28] more of those roads citywide

[4:52:30] into the excellent category and

[4:52:34] see fewer of them in the fair to

[4:52:34] failed.

[4:52:36] And also see the proportions

[4:52:39] equalize district by district.

[4:52:41] Very simple way of looking at

[4:52:43] equity is obviously very

[4:52:44] superficial way of looking at

[4:52:46] equity but it's one step we took

[4:52:49] to get to where we are now.

[4:52:49] What I want to talk about is

[4:52:55] slide 4.

[4:52:58] As I've discussed, I think erik

[4:53:00] has talked with a number of

[4:53:01] councilmembers also, the

[4:53:03] challenge that we're having, so

[4:53:06] when I came on to this council,

[4:53:09] my first budget in 2014, we were

[4:53:15] spending annually $35 million a

[4:53:16] year on street maintenance.

[4:53:19] Which is a pittance compared to

[4:53:21] what we're doing now.

[4:53:23] In 2017 we ticked up

[4:53:26] significantly, three-fold about,

[4:53:29] increased it to 110.

[4:53:33] We deferred a little bit, as a

[4:53:34] result of the pandemic.

[4:53:35] But what's really been happening

[4:53:37] in the time we've been

[4:53:40] allocating all these resources,

[4:53:41] we're appropriating dollars but

[4:53:43] not spending them in the annual

[4:53:43] budget.

[4:53:45] Because a lot of those roads

[4:53:47] that we're budgeting for end up

[4:53:49] to be pretty large

[4:53:50] reconstruction projects.

[4:53:53] And so we're appropriating

[4:53:54] dollars in the current fiscal

[4:53:57] year, not seeing them spent

[4:54:00] until year two, even sometimes

[4:54:01] year three.

[4:54:03] Especially if we're thinking

[4:54:05] about improving infrastructure

[4:54:07] in our community, and also

[4:54:10] putting those to their best use.

[4:54:13] We're not doing that, if we're

[4:54:14] budgeting annually for programs

[4:54:17] that take two or three years to

[4:54:17] spend.

[4:54:22] Which is why you now have the fy

[4:54:23] 2023 budget indicating $20

[4:54:24] million coming from the bond

[4:54:25] program.

[4:54:28] Those are dollars that we were

[4:54:30] budgeting, but are more

[4:54:32] traditionally bond projects.

[4:54:34] So erik, correct me if I'm

[4:54:36] wrong, but in so doing, you're

[4:54:39] basically freeing capacity for

[4:54:40] additional street

[4:54:41] infrastructure, if we put them

[4:54:42] in the right places where they

[4:54:44] can be utilized.

[4:54:45] >> absolutely, mayor.

[4:54:49] This is something that we

[4:54:51] started looking at in the summer

[4:54:54] of 2019, the alignment where you

[4:54:55] guys were approving an annual

[4:54:57] budget, to your point, for a

[4:54:59] number of projects, between 20

[4:55:00] and $30 million, which are bond

[4:55:02] projects, it's taken us two

[4:55:03] years to spend the money.

[4:55:05] So the concept here would be

[4:55:09] that the $20 million in the bond

[4:55:12] program would presumably be $20

[4:55:13] million a year for the five

[4:55:13] years.

[4:55:16] So $100 million in the bond

[4:55:19] program for dnf streets.

[4:55:21] Kind of like we did -- kind of

[4:55:26] like the council did in 2017 for

[4:55:27] pedestrian mobility.

[4:55:28] Just for dnf streets.

[4:55:30] And so what would happen is if

[4:55:32] we did that, it would have to go

[4:55:37] hand in hand with the bond

[4:55:39] conversations that the council

[4:55:44] had, but if you did that, you

[4:55:49] see the difference between 22

[4:55:49] and 23, 71 to 51, that leaves

[4:55:51] $20 million of capacity that we

[4:55:54] could either do mobility type

[4:55:57] projects, additional street

[4:55:59] maintenance projects, or things

[4:56:00] of that nature.

[4:56:03] So it gives us capacity.

[4:56:04] >> Mayor Nirenberg: what I would

[4:56:07] like to propose for discussion,

[4:56:10] I think, we're not appropriating

[4:56:11] dollars that we're not going to

[4:56:13] spend in the current fiscal year

[4:56:14] budget, we should be putting

[4:56:16] them into the bond program, if

[4:56:17] they're reconstruction.

[4:56:21] i would like to see us get it to

[4:56:23] 71, or whatever it is, for

[4:56:24] certificates of obligation for

[4:56:27] our transportation budget.

[4:56:29] But earmark that to [Lapse in

[4:56:30] audio] For vision zero.

[4:56:34] So that we can on an annual

[4:56:36] basis begin to do -- put our

[4:56:38] money where our mouth is,

[4:56:39] basically.

[4:56:41] We can do sidewalk and other

[4:56:41] pedestrian mobility projects as

[4:56:45] well as bicycle infrastructure.

[4:56:49] Which would be, I think, a huge

[4:56:51] boost going into the bicycle

[4:56:53] master plan, but also finally

[4:56:55] put our resources into the

[4:56:56] community building that we're

[4:56:58] talking about, so that we don't

[4:57:00] see more pedestrian fatalities,

[4:57:03] and bicycle fatalities going

[4:57:03] forward.

[4:57:05] So I'd like to hear from my

[4:57:06] colleagues on that.

[4:57:07] I would suggest we keep the

[4:57:10] level of annual funding coming

[4:57:11] out of certificates of

[4:57:13] obligations at the same level,

[4:57:16] and earmark that difference for

[4:57:27] vision zero on an annual basis.

[4:57:27] All right.

[4:57:33] >> I will start with the pci

[4:57:35] score.

[4:57:36] Do we have anything that rates

[4:57:37] the sidewalks?

[4:57:38] >> we do.

[4:57:40] >> okay.

[4:57:42] Because right now, district 3

[4:57:44] has bad streets.

[4:57:46] Our failing streets.

[4:57:49] We have the largest sidewalk

[4:57:50] gap.

[4:57:52] We also have lots of drainage

[4:57:52] issues.

[4:57:54] When we look at bond projects, I

[4:57:58] want to make sure we are digging

[4:58:00] once, the best of the value, and

[4:58:01] we get this done there.

[4:58:05] We also have infrastructure

[4:58:05] issues.

[4:58:09] >> part of the 2017 bond, we had

[4:58:11] two council districts that had

[4:58:13] the maximum dollars.

[4:58:15] District 3 had 9 million and

[4:58:18] district 1 had 9 million also.

[4:58:21] We have built over $8 million of

[4:58:23] sidewalks in district 3.

[4:58:27] We have done significant

[4:58:28] sidewalk construction in the

[4:58:30] last few years.

[4:58:31] 48 million.

[4:58:33] And every year we get 5 million

[4:58:34] through budget process.

[4:58:36] >> I understand that.

[4:58:38] But the district has been

[4:58:39] waiting almost 40 years for

[4:58:39] this.

[4:58:42] So that's also one thing that I

[4:58:43] want us to think about.

[4:58:46] And I know that the homeowners

[4:58:50] are responsible for the sidewalk

[4:58:52] ordinance.

[4:58:54] How is that sidewalk rebate

[4:58:56] program working?

[4:59:01] >> we have every year have the

[4:59:02] property owner take advantage.

[4:59:05] But since last year, we create

[4:59:07] also sidewalk repair program,

[4:59:08] and we have half million -- and

[4:59:11] we are proposing to do the same

[4:59:12] thing in 2022 also.

[4:59:14] As we work with the council's

[4:59:17] office, and we know those

[4:59:19] locations, we go over there and

[4:59:21] replace the damaged concrete

[4:59:21] sidewalk.

[4:59:23] >> okay.

[4:59:25] And those are kind of -- and

[4:59:27] then when we look at the bond,

[4:59:30] as the mayor has instructed, we

[4:59:32] just look at streamlining this

[4:59:32] process.

[4:59:34] And I'd like -- I have a couple

[4:59:36] of questions on the

[4:59:41] transportation mobility.

[4:59:43] So, can we have an -- I'll do a

[4:59:45] town hall on how you guys

[4:59:46] present.

[4:59:50] If we could have a dollar amount

[4:59:51] for crosswalks, and very similar

[4:59:55] to the one we did [Lapse in

[4:59:55] audio].

[4:59:57] Because I know that for business

[4:59:59] owners and community leaders,

[5:00:02] that [Lapse in audio] Willing to

[5:00:04] kind of come into

[5:00:05] publish/private to raise those

[5:00:06] funds.

[5:00:07] If we could get that.

[5:00:08] And the other thing is, the

[5:00:11] requirements for the speed bumps

[5:00:14] in areas with parks and schools

[5:00:17] and things like that done.

[5:00:19] And the other thing I want to

[5:00:21] address is our current bike

[5:00:23] lanes in district 3.

[5:00:27] We still have the issues of

[5:00:29] residents parking in [Lapse in

[5:00:30] audio] Lanes.

[5:00:32] I understand after-hours, but is

[5:00:35] there any way we can address

[5:00:37] that with either maybe not sapd

[5:00:39] doing the work, but maybe having

[5:00:41] a parking enforcement going out

[5:00:43] into getting these people that

[5:00:49] stay well past that time on the

[5:00:49] bike lanes?

[5:00:51] Because we have them, but they

[5:00:52] can't be used because there's

[5:00:53] cars there.

[5:00:55] So if we could get that done.

[5:00:55] Thank you.

[5:00:56] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[5:00:59] councilmember viagran.

[5:01:01] Councilmember cabello havrda.

[5:01:03] >> Cabello Havrda: thank you,

[5:01:07] mayor.

[5:01:10] This is my number one focus,

[5:01:11] maintenance of streets and

[5:01:11] sidewalks.

[5:01:13] Our citizens are demanding that

[5:01:14] focus, so I'm happy to provide

[5:01:15] it.

[5:01:16] Not just for our vehicles, but

[5:01:19] our pedestrian improvements and

[5:01:23] for cyclists, both recreational

[5:01:27] and utilities to get to work.

[5:01:29] I agree with earmarking the 20

[5:01:31] million for the vision zero

[5:01:36] projects to make sure we're

[5:01:38] [Lapse in audio] And bike

[5:01:39] improvements.

[5:01:42] And the update -- actually, I do

[5:01:43] have a question about the city's

[5:01:46] bike plan.

[5:01:46] You mentioned, tomika, you

[5:01:50] mentioned putting out a city

[5:01:51] survey.

[5:01:52] Are you planning on meeting with

[5:01:58] any of the groups, the advocacy

[5:01:58] groups?

[5:01:58] >> yes, ma'am.

[5:02:00] Our goal is to meet with

[5:02:01] everyone.

[5:02:02] It will be a combination of --

[5:02:05] when I first came here, one of

[5:02:06] the things I would love to do

[5:02:08] with each of you is do a walking

[5:02:12] tour to just experience with

[5:02:13] your constituents of what they

[5:02:15] experience when you walk down a

[5:02:17] street with sidewalks, bike

[5:02:17] lanes throughout.

[5:02:20] Part of our job is to educate

[5:02:21] you guys about the things we

[5:02:23] have to consider and the things

[5:02:24] we look at.

[5:02:26] And that would be the right way

[5:02:32] for us to [Lapse in audio]

[5:02:34] Significant component is the

[5:02:35] survey.

[5:02:36] Because we just don't know.

[5:02:38] We had a number of cycling

[5:02:40] advocates here in the room, but

[5:02:42] those are the people who can

[5:02:43] afford to come off work and come

[5:02:45] in here and advocate.

[5:02:47] But what do we know about those

[5:02:49] people who use bikes to get to

[5:02:51] work, because that's their only

[5:02:51] option.

[5:02:53] So doing an annual citywide

[5:02:55] survey will enable us to

[5:02:55] establish a baseline.

[5:02:57] Because we really don't have a

[5:02:58] baseline, because we have not

[5:03:00] specifically focused on

[5:03:02] surveying people related to

[5:03:02] bicycles.

[5:03:06] So the first part is to develop

[5:03:09] a survey, and you were a part of

[5:03:13] it on monday, carlo spoke about

[5:03:15] the surveying and surveying,

[5:03:17] asking the right questions about

[5:03:18] cycling, because that is going

[5:03:20] to inform us when we get the

[5:03:20] data.

[5:03:22] So the data related to the

[5:03:25] actual infrastructure that we

[5:03:26] have, and normalizing both the

[5:03:29] data from our constituents and

[5:03:31] also from those people who

[5:03:32] currently use the system, and

[5:03:34] learning why people don't use

[5:03:36] the system, and taking a look at

[5:03:38] our actual infrastructure.

[5:03:40] So in addition to that, doing

[5:03:40] focus groups.

[5:03:43] As we focus on IMPs for this

[5:03:45] school year, we're going to be

[5:03:46] asking people to share their

[5:03:46] experiences.

[5:03:49] We're going to be doing pop-ups,

[5:03:49] you know.

[5:03:51] Wherever we have the

[5:03:52] opportunity, fiesta, we'll have

[5:03:53] a table to say, hey, what do you

[5:03:56] think about this, do you even

[5:03:58] ride a bike right now.

[5:03:59] That's going to be critical for

[5:03:59] us.

[5:04:01] We just don't have the data.

[5:04:03] And you are a part of this

[5:04:04] discussion on monday, but one of

[5:04:06] the questions is, why can't we

[5:04:08] just say we're going to have 50

[5:04:10] miles of bike lanes next year.

[5:04:12] Because we don't know how many

[5:04:13] miles of bike lanes we have

[5:04:13] right now.

[5:04:16] We don't know the width of all

[5:04:18] of our roadways because our

[5:04:19] roadways are unique in that it

[5:04:21] might be 32 feet in the part

[5:04:23] downtown and by the time you get

[5:04:27] into the suburban parts of the

[5:04:28] city, they're 1

[5:04:29] 20 feet.

[5:04:33] So we have to do the analysis,

[5:04:34] what type of infrastructure is

[5:04:37] there, and then what is the

[5:04:39] implementation and plan to get

[5:04:40] the infrastructure there.

[5:04:43] >> I agree that we need to know

[5:04:45] what we've got before we can

[5:04:45] expand.

[5:04:47] But I do like the idea of a

[5:04:47] goal.

[5:04:49] Once we have what we know, you

[5:04:51] know, this number, or this

[5:04:56] mileage of bike lanes, that we

[5:04:57] continue to expand, have metrics

[5:05:01] in order to use the funding,

[5:05:01] targeted it.

[5:05:02] >> right.

[5:05:03] We have enough information now

[5:05:04] about the vision zero.

[5:05:06] Where we're seeing the

[5:05:06] fatalities.

[5:05:08] So those are our priorities

[5:05:08] right now.

[5:05:15] And I think, you know, chicago

[5:05:17] [Lapse in audio] Developed

[5:05:18] mellow lanes, [Lapse in audio]

[5:05:19] Lanes.

[5:05:21] The focus this year is just to

[5:05:23] develop that safe network and

[5:05:24] that's what we're doing right

[5:05:24] now.

[5:05:26] That's the goal, is just a safe,

[5:05:28] slow network, low-stress network

[5:05:31] with the imp that we have.

[5:05:32] The plan is going to give us the

[5:05:35] data in order to develop the

[5:05:36] part of the plan, that's why

[5:05:38] it's the cost that we

[5:05:40] anticipate, is because that is

[5:05:43] going to include an

[5:05:43] implementation component to

[5:05:45] start implementing.

[5:05:48] If we're successful in the 20

[5:05:51] million, for vision zero, we can

[5:05:54] say, our plan, 20 million, this

[5:05:56] is the first project out of the

[5:05:57] bike update.

[5:05:58] That's the goal.

[5:06:01] We do have strategic performance

[5:06:05] metrics as a part of the budget

[5:06:05] process.

[5:06:08] And we are saying we would do.5

[5:06:11] miles of new bike infrastructure

[5:06:14] this fiscal year.

[5:06:17] And we will have up to nine

[5:06:21] miles of refurbished bike lanes,

[5:06:22] based on the data we have today.

[5:06:25] We're not going to -- we can't

[5:06:27] say we're going to do 50 miles,

[5:06:31] but we do have performance

[5:06:32] metrics and that will continue.

[5:06:33] >> Cabello Havrda: thank you.

[5:06:36] And also the user of the bike

[5:06:39] utility, not so much recreation,

[5:06:40] I would encourage what we talked

[5:06:42] about earlier, having paper

[5:06:43] surveys in the libraries.

[5:06:45] I don't even know if you can go

[5:06:46] out to the players where they

[5:06:48] have a high percentage of people

[5:06:49] that ride their bikes or ride

[5:06:54] their bikes to the bus to get to

[5:06:54] work.

[5:06:55] So I think that's important.

[5:06:57] Also, are the hike and bike

[5:07:01] trails [Lapse in audio].

[5:07:02] >> yes.

[5:07:05] So, that is something homer and

[5:07:12] I are super-duper excited about.

[5:07:14] (Indiscernible).

[5:07:18] The reality is, we have been

[5:07:20] oozing out a lot of money in

[5:07:21] terms of our [Lapse in audio] To

[5:07:23] get more funding for the howard

[5:07:25] p. Greenway system.

[5:07:28] We only categorize it as a park

[5:07:29] and recreation asset.

[5:07:32] It is a transportation asset.

[5:07:34] And so a huge element of the

[5:07:36] bike master plan update is

[5:07:38] putting that in there as our

[5:07:39] bike network.

[5:07:42] The next step for us, what homer

[5:07:43] and I will be working on this

[5:07:46] summer, is getting the howard p.

[5:07:50] Trail system in the tip, in the

[5:07:50] transportation improvement

[5:07:51] program.

[5:07:53] When there are discretionary

[5:07:55] opportunities with the PRESIDENT

[5:07:58] And congress agreeing on this

[5:07:59] infrastructure plan is really

[5:08:00] huge, because now we have the

[5:08:03] opportunity to compete for funds

[5:08:05] to complete components of that.

[5:08:06] And we're currently working on a

[5:08:08] grant application to start that

[5:08:09] procession, if you will.

[5:08:12] So that's going to be critical.

[5:08:13] Those miles add to our

[5:08:14] congestion mitigation, and air

[5:08:16] quality improvements for the

[5:08:17] region.

[5:08:19] So it's all connected, and

[5:08:20] that's something we're really

[5:08:20] excited about.

[5:08:21] >> Cabello Havrda: that is

[5:08:23] exactly what I was thinking.

[5:08:24] It is connected.

[5:08:26] Talking about hiking and bike

[5:08:27] trails is talking about

[5:08:30] transportation.

[5:08:30] >> correct.

[5:08:31] >> Cabello Havrda: so that's all

[5:08:31] I had.

[5:08:32] Thank you.

[5:08:33] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[5:08:34] councilmember cabello havrda.

[5:08:35] Before we go to manny, do you

[5:08:37] want to talk about the raci

[5:08:38] grant?

[5:08:40] >> you just mentioned it.

[5:08:42] Let's take two steps back,

[5:08:44] because I think that's really

[5:08:47] important work that you and

[5:08:48] others are doing with the

[5:08:51] county, public works, homer, the

[5:08:56] river authority on the raci

[5:08:56] grant.

[5:08:57] That's a big opportunity.

[5:08:58] Can you give the council two

[5:08:59] minutes on that?

[5:09:00] Because that's important.

[5:09:02] >> because we have an

[5:09:03] opportunity -- the raise grant

[5:09:09] is a federal discretionary

[5:09:12] department of transportation,

[5:09:15] eligible up to $100 million.

[5:09:16] We've come together, the san

[5:09:19] antonio river authority, parks,

[5:09:21] transportation, a lot of our

[5:09:23] city departments are working

[5:09:26] together with the county to

[5:09:28] complete that section of the

[5:09:31] trail, the creek section, from

[5:09:39] via, the ingram transit center,

[5:09:44] and the restoration project.

[5:09:45] This approximately nine-mile

[5:09:46] stretch we'll be applying for

[5:09:48] funds on that segment.

[5:09:50] It is an area of poverty, it

[5:09:54] speaks to all of the criteria of

[5:09:55] the raise grant application, and

[5:09:58] it begins to address a lot of

[5:10:00] safety concerns on ingram that

[5:10:01] we have with regard to

[5:10:03] developing a multi-use section

[5:10:05] of the trail there, and this is

[5:10:07] going to speak to what the

[5:10:09] COUNCILWOMAN Talked about, the

[5:10:11] connectivity of this system

[5:10:12] being a transportation network,

[5:10:14] and not just parks and

[5:10:15] recreation.

[5:10:16] So we're leveraging all the

[5:10:18] investments of the county, that

[5:10:20] sara had made, and hopefully

[5:10:22] we'll be successful with this

[5:10:23] application.

[5:10:24] And it's due JULY 12th.

[5:10:26] But the east coast greenway, if

[5:10:27] you have the opportunity, take a

[5:10:28] look at that.

[5:10:33] Take a look at the

[5:10:34] washington-to-washington, D.C.

[5:10:35] Rails to trails.

[5:10:37] These systems that are hundreds

[5:10:40] of miles, this greenway is 800

[5:10:40] miles.

[5:10:42] They've been successful with

[5:10:43] three types of grants over the

[5:10:45] past administrations.

[5:10:47] So we want to put our hat in the

[5:10:48] ring to compete for these funds

[5:10:52] and get this network completed.

[5:10:53] >> Mayor Nirenberg: all right.

[5:10:55] Councilmember pelaez.

[5:10:56] >> Pelaez: thank you.

[5:10:58] In JUNE, each of you will be

[5:11:03] receiving a copy of a book, and

[5:11:05] tomika, you got your copy, and

[5:11:06] mayor, we delivered yours

[5:11:09] yesterday, called metro green,

[5:11:11] which proves out the idea that

[5:11:13] investment in green space, and

[5:11:15] having those green spaces be a

[5:11:17] part of the connectivity plan in

[5:11:20] a city, has a direct

[5:11:22] relationship to more and higher

[5:11:23] quality economic development.

[5:11:25] And so this is not just a

[5:11:26] mobility issue that we're

[5:11:31] talking about, this is jobs and,

[5:11:34] you know, tax base and all the

[5:11:35] things that come with that kind

[5:11:37] of investment.

[5:11:42] So I do think it's important,

[5:11:46] that that $71.2 million, and the

[5:11:49] $51.2 million, is only possible

[5:11:54] because of (Indiscernible)'s

[5:11:55] fist fight he had up in austin

[5:11:57] on our behalf, and jeff coyle

[5:11:58] and our team stood up there to

[5:12:01] make sure that the governor and

[5:12:03] his friends didn't take away our

[5:12:05] ability to, you know, to issue

[5:12:07] these certificates of

[5:12:07] obligation.

[5:12:11] So the important -- that's the

[5:12:13] highlight, how important it is

[5:12:15] to work up in austin, folks.

[5:12:18] It's equally important, tomika,

[5:12:20] I think you'll agree, that we

[5:12:22] press the gas pedal on all of

[5:12:25] our government relations work in

[5:12:27] D.C., so that we can bring home

[5:12:30] things like these raised grants,

[5:12:33] and continue to make these

[5:12:34] investments.

[5:12:36] Mayor, I support the idea to

[5:12:38] free up these funds so we can

[5:12:40] invest it in vision zero.

[5:12:42] We talk a lot about safe streets

[5:12:43] and conditions of streets.

[5:12:46] But really, those are -- we're

[5:12:48] taking care of people's cars,

[5:12:50] and in this instance, when we

[5:12:52] talk about sidewalks, and

[5:12:54] crosswalks, and bike lanes,

[5:12:55] making sure that people get home

[5:12:56] to their loved ones.

[5:13:00] We need to prioritize, you know,

[5:13:03] people not having a blownout

[5:13:06] tire or having a bumpy ride

[5:13:06] home.

[5:13:11] You know, with some energy,

[5:13:13] because it's urgent, but also

[5:13:15] making sure that DR.

[5:13:17] DR. (Indiscernible) And his

[5:13:20] family is able to at least look

[5:13:21] at tomorrow and say, okay, they

[5:13:24] took it seriously, right?

[5:13:26] And that those tragedies mean

[5:13:29] something as opposed to just

[5:13:31] continuing to just be one more

[5:13:32] newspaper article that

[5:13:35] frustrates us, until the next

[5:13:36] death.

[5:13:37] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[5:13:39] councilmember pelaez.

[5:13:40] Councilmember perry.

[5:13:44] >> Perry: thank you, sir.

[5:13:48] Tomika, I'm glad to hear about

[5:13:49] gathering data.

[5:13:52] That's very important.

[5:13:54] And you know what my datapoint

[5:13:56] is, we spend the money to put

[5:13:57] these in, where people actually

[5:13:58] use them.

[5:14:00] And where they're being used,

[5:14:02] and where they're not being

[5:14:03] used.

[5:14:04] To make sure that they're

[5:14:06] putting them in the right place.

[5:14:08] I'm very interested in seeing

[5:14:08] that.

[5:14:10] >> I know you love data.

[5:14:11] I know you love data.

[5:14:14] So one of the tools in our tool

[5:14:16] kit is called street light data.

[5:14:19] So when we put this rfp out for

[5:14:20] the bike master plan update,

[5:14:23] we're going to be looking for

[5:14:24] those proposals that speak to

[5:14:27] the technology that are out here

[5:14:27] today.

[5:14:29] So site data, street light is a

[5:14:34] company that uses a lot of

[5:14:38] information related to phone and

[5:14:41] air sage data is data we see on

[5:14:42] your phone.

[5:14:44] It's taking an intensive effort

[5:14:45] in terms of identifying the

[5:14:47] locations where people are using

[5:14:48] facilities, but most importantly

[5:14:50] we don't typically collect the

[5:14:51] data like we do with our

[5:14:54] transportation network, which is

[5:14:54] autooriented.

[5:14:56] So we're going to be looking for

[5:14:59] those proposals that use street

[5:15:00] lights, sage data, doing

[5:15:02] intercept surveys, because you

[5:15:03] have to capture people where

[5:15:04] they are.

[5:15:07] But really, based for me in the

[5:15:09] part of the city such as your

[5:15:11] district is that we don't know

[5:15:13] people's proclivity to ride in

[5:15:15] the suburban areas.

[5:15:17] We don't know if they would ride

[5:15:18] if there was infrastructure

[5:15:19] there.

[5:15:22] So doing the citywide survey is

[5:15:26] going to help us -- really, it

[5:15:29] helps our performance in

[5:15:33] educating people of bike

[5:15:33] lifestyle, and bike

[5:15:33] infrastructure, and services and

[5:15:34] facilities.

[5:15:36] But it's also going to educate

[5:15:39] us on what people want, if they

[5:15:40] had these types of facilities in

[5:15:41] their communities and what they

[5:15:42] look like.

[5:15:44] The surveys is just a critical

[5:15:46] tool to whatever we do in

[5:15:48] collecting it, and it's going to

[5:15:50] be interesting in identifying

[5:15:52] people who are willing to share

[5:15:54] their data, and their usage and

[5:15:57] what they're using their product

[5:15:57] for.

[5:15:58] >> Perry: thanks.

[5:16:00] >> you're welcome.

[5:16:01] >> Perry: on the slide that's up

[5:16:06] there right now, razi, why

[5:16:08] wouldn't we keep the same

[5:16:11] funding, the 71 and the -- make

[5:16:12] it 71 across the board.

[5:16:14] Is that what you were talking

[5:16:15] about a while ago, mayor?

[5:16:17] all right, great.

[5:16:22] And then the 22 -- '22 bond

[5:16:23] program, 40 million or whatever

[5:16:25] that is, so that would be in

[5:16:26] addition to that, so that would

[5:16:29] actually make that 130 million?

[5:16:29] Okay.

[5:16:30] Great.

[5:16:30] I just want to make sure we're

[5:16:33] straight on that.

[5:16:37] And the next slide, slide number

[5:16:45] 5, I totally understand this, a

[5:16:46] great graphic to see the

[5:16:47] improvements we're making over

[5:16:47] time.

[5:16:49] But I keep asking this question,

[5:16:49] erik.

[5:16:52] We took out that $50 million,

[5:16:55] out of 2020, and where do we get

[5:16:56] the money back?

[5:16:58] Are we going to get that back

[5:16:59] through arpa funds?

[5:17:02] And is that going to be in the

[5:17:03] '22 or '23 program?

[5:17:06] Is that going to be $50 million

[5:17:09] in addition to that 110?

[5:17:11] >> so, we're not -- based on the

[5:17:12] guidelines that we see now,

[5:17:14] we're not going to be able to

[5:17:18] recover a deferred expense.

[5:17:20] But when the council gets to

[5:17:24] arpa phase 2, as long as we can

[5:17:27] adjust original revenue loss, if

[5:17:29] the council will take $47

[5:17:32] million out of the arpa, as long

[5:17:34] as we can justify with revenue

[5:17:37] loss, that's a possibility that

[5:17:40] the council has going forward.

[5:17:42] We're not going to be able to go

[5:17:45] backwards to say, hey, this 47,

[5:17:47] we deferred, that's not an

[5:17:50] eligible expense.

[5:17:52] You'll be able to, you, the

[5:17:54] council, will be able to make

[5:17:55] street maintenance an

[5:17:57] opportunity out of the arpa, as

[5:17:58] long as it stands right now with

[5:17:59] the revenue loss.

[5:18:01] >> Perry: I'd like to see the

[5:18:04] words, the actual document on

[5:18:05] what it says on that.

[5:18:07] >> I would be more than happy to

[5:18:08] share that.

[5:18:09] >> Perry: I would love to see

[5:18:10] that.

[5:18:11] >> it would ultimately be up to

[5:18:13] the council how that money is

[5:18:15] spent in accordance with the

[5:18:16] rules.

[5:18:17] And again, as long as we can

[5:18:20] justify with revenue loss, basic

[5:18:22] general government services are

[5:18:22] equitable.

[5:18:24] We'll get that document.

[5:18:24] >> Perry: okay.

[5:18:25] Great.

[5:18:26] I think that should still be on

[5:18:27] the table.

[5:18:33] And, you know, our survey,

[5:18:37] again, our sa speak up showed

[5:18:38] streets almost all the time,

[5:18:39] right up at the top.

[5:18:42] I think we need to see about,

[5:18:45] you know, having another

[5:18:49] substantial increase in our imp.

[5:18:52] And whether that goes to our dnf

[5:18:56] streets or whatever, to beef up

[5:18:57] that program.

[5:18:59] What was the total requirement

[5:19:03] for f streets and d streets?

[5:19:05] >> 900.

[5:19:07] >> Perry: 900 million.

[5:19:08] We'll never get there.

[5:19:09] We need to do something else.

[5:19:11] This is the opportunity, that

[5:19:14] we're getting feedback on people

[5:19:15] that want better streets.

[5:19:16] They're paying for better

[5:19:17] streets, but they're not getting

[5:19:18] the better streets.

[5:19:20] I think we need to put more

[5:19:21] resources towards the streets

[5:19:23] and react to at least in

[5:19:25] district 10, that's what people

[5:19:29] are clam bering for, better

[5:19:29] streets.

[5:19:32] I think we need to react with a

[5:19:33] bigger budget for our street

[5:19:33] program.

[5:19:36] And our imp.

[5:19:37] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[5:19:38] councilmember perry.

[5:19:41] It would be helpful to get that

[5:19:42] number over time, razi.

[5:19:44] I believe at some point we

[5:19:46] calculated that the deferred

[5:19:48] maintenance on streets that

[5:19:51] needed to be reconstructed along

[5:19:54] with sidewalks was 4

[5:19:54] some-odd-billion.

[5:19:55] >> it's in the billion range.

[5:19:56] >> Mayor Nirenberg: it would be

[5:19:57] nice to see if that number is

[5:19:59] moving at all, as we make these

[5:20:00] bigger investments in

[5:20:03] transportation infrastructure.

[5:20:07] We'll go now to councilmember

[5:20:07] bravo.

[5:20:10] >> Bravo: thank you very much.

[5:20:11] I don't have -- we're not

[5:20:13] scheduled for a briefing on

[5:20:15] public works department until

[5:20:17] tuesday, where I can learn more

[5:20:18] about the streets in district 1,

[5:20:20] and the progress of our product.

[5:20:22] So I feel I'm at a disadvantage

[5:20:23] right now.

[5:20:24] We're scheduled for tuesday.

[5:20:26] So erik, I want to reserve the

[5:20:27] right on wednesday to completely

[5:20:31] change this budget.

[5:20:31] [Laughing].

[5:20:34] >> I guess I'll have to hear

[5:20:35] from other councilmembers today.

[5:20:36] But no, I think part of this is

[5:20:38] to make sure that the new

[5:20:41] councilmember gets some -- gets

[5:20:43] the opportunity.

[5:20:45] Razi and rod and the budget

[5:20:49] team, we'll be meeting later on,

[5:20:50] after tuesday.

[5:20:52] >> Mayor Nirenberg: but to be

[5:20:53] clear for just a minute, we'll

[5:20:56] have budget sessions before the

[5:20:57] proposed budget is presented.

[5:20:58] >> right.

[5:20:59] Before the adopted budget is

[5:21:00] approved.

[5:21:02] >> Mayor Nirenberg: right.

[5:21:04] Okay.

[5:21:05] >> Bravo: okay.

[5:21:07] Thank you.

[5:21:09] You know, when I talked to

[5:21:10] constituents in district 1, I

[5:21:12] had some residents describe

[5:21:13] driving down their street, like

[5:21:15] riding a roller coaster.

[5:21:20] You know, I had one resident

[5:21:22] tell me they had to change their

[5:21:24] route after surgery, because it

[5:21:25] hurt too much to drive down

[5:21:26] their street and they had to

[5:21:27] take a different route.

[5:21:29] So this is definitely a big

[5:21:29] issue.

[5:21:31] I look forward to our meeting on

[5:21:35] tuesday.

[5:21:36] When it comes to -- we did talk

[5:21:37] about sidewalks.

[5:21:41] When I went out and talked to

[5:21:42] people who [Lapse in audio] I

[5:21:46] heard about how people want a

[5:21:49] more vibrant downtown, a

[5:21:53] downtown with more unique

[5:21:54] entertainment and culture and

[5:21:55] night life, and they want to

[5:21:56] support that.

[5:21:58] And I was told that there are

[5:21:59] studies that show that if you

[5:22:02] have that kind of a downtown, a

[5:22:05] livable downtown that is unique,

[5:22:08] then that actually increases

[5:22:10] high-end tourism.

[5:22:12] I was told that one key aspect

[5:22:14] of that is having a walkable

[5:22:14] downtown.

[5:22:16] So I want to make sure we're

[5:22:18] setting aside resources to make

[5:22:21] downtown a walkable downtown,

[5:22:24] because that's something I heard

[5:22:25] a lot of.

[5:22:27] >> a number of the projects in

[5:22:29] downtown, commerce district is

[5:22:30] one of them.

[5:22:32] I'm sure you've seen other

[5:22:33] construction.

[5:22:35] The existing roadways was

[5:22:37] four-lane, and we are reducing

[5:22:39] to three-lane, because there was

[5:22:41] really no need to have

[5:22:41] four-lane.

[5:22:43] We are making sidewalks on both

[5:22:47] sides wider and more friendly

[5:22:49] with landscaping and other

[5:22:51] [Lapse in audio] To enjoy.

[5:22:52] >> Bravo: yeah, I would like to

[5:22:54] see that as a priority as well.

[5:22:57] >> regarding the roller coaster

[5:22:58] roadway, unfortunately, the

[5:23:03] majority of the soil [Lapse in

[5:23:06] audio] Most of these roads were

[5:23:08] designed and built many years

[5:23:08] ago.

[5:23:10] We didn't have restrictive

[5:23:10] standard.

[5:23:12] You're right, some of them is

[5:23:16] not in really good shape, [Lapse

[5:23:17] in audio].

[5:23:19] >> Bravo: one thing I'll be

[5:23:22] interested in learning on my

[5:23:24] briefings, what kind of

[5:23:24] warranties are we getting on

[5:23:26] this work, and make sure that

[5:23:31] any work that is not -- you

[5:23:32] know, that's not sthag

[5:23:33] aying in good

[5:23:34] condition throughout their

[5:23:36] time --

[5:23:39] >> we'll on every project do an

[5:23:39] inspection.

[5:23:41] And secondly, we have on every

[5:23:44] project, we have one-year

[5:23:46] warranty, on every month of the

[5:23:49] project, my staff walks the

[5:23:53] project, identifies the

[5:23:54] deficiency and contacts the

[5:23:55] company to fix it.

[5:23:58] >> Bravo: and I want to talk a

[5:24:00] little bit about the bike master

[5:24:02] plan.

[5:24:05] You know, about the need to

[5:24:07] update the bike master plan for,

[5:24:08] I think, five years now.

[5:24:12] I know you're new here.

[5:24:13] So this isn't on you.

[5:24:15] But I know a lot of people have

[5:24:16] been waiting a long time to make

[5:24:19] san antonio a city that's safe

[5:24:20] for bicyclists.

[5:24:21] It's important for so many

[5:24:22] reasons.

[5:24:23] The more that we can create

[5:24:26] opportunities for people to

[5:24:28] safely commute in our city, to

[5:24:30] get out of their car, and on a

[5:24:32] bike, helps reduce the

[5:24:34] congestion, it helps improve air

[5:24:34] quality.

[5:24:35] We have a real problem in our

[5:24:37] community with diabetes,

[5:24:38] obesity.

[5:24:39] And this helps people have a

[5:24:41] more healthy lifestyle.

[5:24:43] So we have so many reasons to do

[5:24:45] this.

[5:24:46] But people need to be able to

[5:24:47] feel safe.

[5:24:49] So I want to know a little bit

[5:24:51] more like, a firm timeline for

[5:24:55] when that bicycle master plan

[5:24:56] will be completed, and then

[5:24:59] also, are there any commitments

[5:25:00] that we can make right now, or

[5:25:03] to be able to put money --

[5:25:04] setting money aside in the

[5:25:07] budget for things that we know

[5:25:09] that could -- you know, do we

[5:25:12] really -- you know, there are so

[5:25:14] many people who are leaders in

[5:25:16] the community who know what we

[5:25:18] need, do we need to wait for the

[5:25:20] study to be completed before we

[5:25:21] start more of these projects.

[5:25:25] And, you know, what can we get

[5:25:27] started on now if we put enough

[5:25:28] money in the budget.

[5:25:29] >> thank you, councilmember.

[5:25:30] That's a great question.

[5:25:32] What we're going to do now with

[5:25:37] our imp for fy '22 is work on

[5:25:40] the slow streets, less stress

[5:25:40] streets.

[5:25:42] To give you an idea what we're

[5:25:45] currently budgeted to do, we're

[5:25:48] working on two bike area plans

[5:25:53] for brooks and for utsa.

[5:25:55] So these are part of our imp

[5:25:56] work.

[5:25:57] Those smaller studies in those

[5:25:59] specific areas that are part of

[5:26:01] sa tomorrow.

[5:26:02] Additionally, what we're going

[5:26:04] to be doing, we're also doing

[5:26:05] our rails-to-trails project.

[5:26:07] These are some of the projects

[5:26:08] that we're currently using these

[5:26:08] funds for.

[5:26:11] What we are proposing for '22 is

[5:26:14] we're going to take our bike imp

[5:26:16] and develop the less stress

[5:26:16] streets.

[5:26:19] So we're going to develop that

[5:26:20] network, identify that network,

[5:26:23] our team will be doing an

[5:26:25] all-day staff workshop on what

[5:26:26] does that network look like.

[5:26:29] And hopefully, at the beginning

[5:26:32] of fy '22, we'll start that

[5:26:34] work.

[5:26:36] Additionally, because we don't

[5:26:39] have data, we have to have the

[5:26:41] data to inform our

[5:26:42] decision-making, to inform which

[5:26:44] projects to put into the bond.

[5:26:45] And yes, you've been hearing

[5:26:48] this for five years, I've been

[5:26:50] here for five months, and what

[5:26:51] most people don't realize is it

[5:26:53] takes time to collect that data

[5:26:54] and be thoughtful.

[5:26:56] When we talk about the health

[5:26:59] and benefits of cycling, we

[5:27:00] haven't done an impact

[5:27:01] assessment.

[5:27:02] We were a public works agency

[5:27:03] doing transportation planning

[5:27:05] work.

[5:27:08] Now we are a transportation

[5:27:09] department.

[5:27:10] And so I think it's important

[5:27:12] for us to recognize where we

[5:27:14] came from, and where we are.

[5:27:19] And I've spoken to all of the

[5:27:19] bicyclists who came here today.

[5:27:22] That was one of my first

[5:27:24] conversations, MARCH 26th, and I

[5:27:25] said, this is what I can tell

[5:27:27] you, this is what we're going to

[5:27:28] do going forward.

[5:27:30] I think the focus needs to be on

[5:27:32] where we're going, developing

[5:27:34] that plan and let it guide our

[5:27:35] implementation strategies and

[5:27:36] our projects.

[5:27:37] So that's our goal here.

[5:27:41] And with the imp, that low

[5:27:43] stress system, we can develop

[5:27:45] that in a year and implement

[5:27:45] that.

[5:27:47] And I think that speaks to what

[5:27:50] a lot of cyclists want, a safe

[5:27:50] network.

[5:27:51] We're continuing with those

[5:27:52] projects that we do currently

[5:27:54] have in the bond related to

[5:27:57] vision zero, and also related to

[5:27:58] bike infrastructure.

[5:28:00] And we're going to be talking to

[5:28:01] people about it.

[5:28:03] That is one of the things that I

[5:28:05] said when I started in this

[5:28:07] position is, we're going to

[5:28:08] start having conversations about

[5:28:09] how people want to move.

[5:28:11] That's also going to form our

[5:28:13] bike master plan update.

[5:28:15] >> COUNCILWOMAN, let me add one

[5:28:16] thing quickly.

[5:28:18] As we go through the 2022 bond

[5:28:19] discussion, one of the things

[5:28:22] we're considering is putting a

[5:28:25] pilot money, depending how much

[5:28:27] we need, but we're gig urg out

[5:28:29] what makes sense to put year

[5:28:31] three, four, five in the '22

[5:28:32] program.

[5:28:34] That is definitely under

[5:28:35] consideration.

[5:28:36] So get the bike master plan done

[5:28:38] in a couple of years, we'll have

[5:28:40] some bond money to put towards

[5:28:42] that, so we're looking at that

[5:28:43] for the council to consider.

[5:28:45] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[5:28:45] councilmember bravo.

[5:28:48] Councilmember sandoval.

[5:28:59] >> Sandoval: thank you, mayor.

[5:29:00] Thank you for the presentation.

[5:29:05] Could I ask you, the vision zero

[5:29:07] crash assessment, is that

[5:29:09] something that will occur for

[5:29:10] every pedestrian wreck, or how

[5:29:12] do you see that being

[5:29:12] implemented?

[5:29:13] >> when you say the crash

[5:29:14] assessment, are you referring to

[5:29:17] the assessments we do when we

[5:29:20] get a request to look at it?

[5:29:22] >> what's on slide 3.

[5:29:25] >> so, that's what we've been

[5:29:28] doing actually, since I've been

[5:29:29] here.

[5:29:30] When councilmembers call and

[5:29:33] say, hey, we have a corridor we

[5:29:34] want to look at, or road where

[5:29:35] we've had a crash, can you go

[5:29:38] look at that.

[5:29:40] I've done several for your

[5:29:42] district, and so what I'm

[5:29:46] thinking is that based on the

[5:29:49] trend so far, approximately

[5:29:49] three.

[5:29:51] Now, that doesn't mean that we

[5:29:53] get requests from all the

[5:29:53] districts.

[5:29:55] But having as our baseline as

[5:29:57] three.

[5:29:59] Well, perhaps there isn't a need

[5:30:02] for it in all of our districts,

[5:30:05] but we want at a minimum do

[5:30:07] three based on the data we have

[5:30:09] related to crashes or incidents.

[5:30:10] >> Sandoval: I would support

[5:30:12] increasing that.

[5:30:16] We can cite three in a week or a

[5:30:16] month.

[5:30:19] I would certainly support

[5:30:20] increasing that.

[5:30:24] >> so we would have to increase

[5:30:26] our staff commensurately to do

[5:30:27] that.

[5:30:28] That's a challenge with the new

[5:30:31] department, five planners and

[5:30:32] three engineers.

[5:30:35] So in addition [Lapse in audio]

[5:30:37] Thoroughfare plan, coordination,

[5:30:38] meeting and doing those things,

[5:30:40] we need physical bodies to

[5:30:42] perform those assessments.

[5:30:43] And so we'll do the crash

[5:30:46] assessments as they come in.

[5:30:47] But at a minimum, we want to do

[5:30:48] three.

[5:30:50] And I think that's really our

[5:30:51] challenge right now is there are

[5:30:55] a lot of needs.

[5:30:56] >> Sandoval: (Indiscernible).

[5:30:58] >> oh, yeah, go ahead.

[5:30:59] >> Sandoval: if you want to

[5:31:01] investigate more crash

[5:31:02] assessments, she needs more

[5:31:02] staff.

[5:31:03] >> Sandoval: thank you.

[5:31:08] >> Sandoval: all right.

[5:31:10] Secondly, a while back we had

[5:31:12] considered a policy, every time

[5:31:15] we have a development [Lapse in

[5:31:17] audio] Sidewalks and that's how

[5:31:18] we little by little complete

[5:31:19] sidewalk gaps.

[5:31:21] There are some locations where

[5:31:23] sidewalks aren't always

[5:31:23] feasible.

[5:31:25] And there was a proposal made at

[5:31:27] that time, is that something we

[5:31:32] can revisit?

[5:31:34] >> (Indiscernible).

[5:31:37] They have to build sidewalks.

[5:31:39] >> (Indiscernible) Made a

[5:31:40] presentation and there was a

[5:31:42] mitigation fee that was

[5:31:43] proposed.

[5:31:46] >> rod or mike shannon, do you

[5:31:46] guys remember that?

[5:31:48] The mitigation?

[5:31:50] It was kind of like a fee in

[5:31:51] lieu of.

[5:31:55] >> that was for a bike lane.

[5:31:58] >> good afternoon, everyone.

[5:32:00] Mike shannon.

[5:32:02] A couple of years ago there was

[5:32:04] some discussion about if there

[5:32:06] was a situation where there was

[5:32:07] a unique hardship and they

[5:32:11] wanted to get variance

[5:32:13] sidewalks, there was a proposal,

[5:32:16] at least the beginnings of a

[5:32:19] proposal to create a

[5:32:20] (Indiscernible) Instead of

[5:32:21] building the sidewalk, they

[5:32:22] would pay into a fund and the

[5:32:26] city would put the sidewalks in.

[5:32:27] [Lapse in audio] To council on

[5:32:28] the code.

[5:32:29] That's something that certainly

[5:32:32] we could revisit if you'd like.

[5:32:34] But I believe at the time we had

[5:32:35] some discussions about that,

[5:32:36] maybe leading that.

[5:32:39] >> would that be a udc type

[5:32:39] thing?

[5:32:41] >> you would have to put that in

[5:32:43] the udc, and then coordinate

[5:32:45] with razi and his team, yeah.

[5:32:46] >> Sandoval: all right.

[5:32:48] We can discuss it later.

[5:32:50] I just want to pose that to the

[5:32:51] team, just so that they know

[5:32:52] that that's a possibility that

[5:32:57] came to us a while back.

[5:33:01] Secondly, I do want to remind

[5:33:03] COUNCILMAN Perry that the survey

[5:33:04] said streets and sidewalks.

[5:33:07] I want to go to razi's slide

[5:33:09] number 5, and then I'll jump to

[5:33:11] slide 9 after that.

[5:33:15] I want to remind us that when we

[5:33:17] look at this slide, and at the

[5:33:19] pci, and the investment that was

[5:33:24] made year by year [Lapse in

[5:33:24] audio]

[5:33:25] Audio] --

[5:33:29] >> can you point to slide number

[5:33:29] 5, please.

[5:33:29] >> Sandoval: thank you.

[5:33:31] It does not include the $144

[5:33:34] million in voter approved bonds

[5:33:35] for streets and sidewalks.

[5:33:38] So this is just part of the

[5:33:38] whole picture.

[5:33:41] It also doesn't include any

[5:33:42] funding from federal funding

[5:33:45] received through the mpo, or any

[5:33:47] money that's invested in the

[5:33:50] region by the state from MAY

[5:33:53] through its tax registration

[5:33:53] fund.

[5:33:57] When we look at slide 9 for the

[5:34:01] sidewalk program, here I see --

[5:34:02] I'll chime back in, mayor,

[5:34:03] unless you --

[5:34:04] >> Mayor Nirenberg: finish your

[5:34:05] thought here and we can get a

[5:34:07] response and come back if

[5:34:07] necessary.

[5:34:08] >> Sandoval: thank you.

[5:34:10] What we do see here is the

[5:34:12] investment from the bond.

[5:34:14] We also see the adp funding.

[5:34:16] What we don't see are

[5:34:18] certificates of obligation, or

[5:34:20] any general fund being invested

[5:34:22] in our local sidewalk network.

[5:34:25] I will tell you what we see

[5:34:27] here, most often, at the doors,

[5:34:30] or at our council offices is, I

[5:34:33] want to feel safe walking on my

[5:34:36] street, and I have a sidewalk, I

[5:34:37] think this is borderline

[5:34:39] criminal that we don't have more

[5:34:42] investment in this.

[5:34:45] So I want to address that

[5:34:46] additional revenue source.

[5:34:48] I think we need to revisit what

[5:34:49] this investment looks like.

[5:34:50] Thank you, mayor.

[5:34:51] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[5:34:54] councilmember sandoval.

[5:34:55] Councilmember courage.

[5:35:00] >> Courage: thank you, mayor.

[5:35:01] We've talked about some

[5:35:02] important things, particularly

[5:35:04] vision zero.

[5:35:06] Mayor, I'm in support of setting

[5:35:10] aside $20 million of what we

[5:35:12] normally would have spent on

[5:35:15] streets in vision zero.

[5:35:23] I think councilmember sandoval,

[5:35:25] street and other infrastructure

[5:35:26] improvements that our districts

[5:35:29] need in addition to what we're

[5:35:31] already programmed for streets

[5:35:32] and sidewalks.

[5:35:34] And this issue I hope will fill

[5:35:35] a lot of gaps.

[5:35:37] But I'm even more excited about

[5:35:39] what might be coming down the

[5:35:40] line from the federal government

[5:35:43] in the way of infrastructure

[5:35:46] that MAY free some of our

[5:35:47] general fund money for doing

[5:35:49] more street work as that money

[5:35:50] comes in.

[5:35:52] So as much as I want to support

[5:35:54] what the mayor is saying right

[5:35:58] now, and I will, I think we need

[5:35:59] to reexamine that in 2003.

[5:36:01] We're looking at a three-year

[5:36:03] budget, but a lot can change in

[5:36:05] that next year that would cause

[5:36:07] us, or provide us opportunities

[5:36:09] to make significant differences

[5:36:12] again as we move forward.

[5:36:13] When we talk about the

[5:36:16] opportunity to reassess the bike

[5:36:17] needs, I hope that we're going

[5:36:20] to find the best practices to

[5:36:22] establish these bike lanes,

[5:36:24] because I know you've got to

[5:36:26] look at physical protection.

[5:36:28] You've got to look at cars

[5:36:28] parking.

[5:36:30] You've got to look at business

[5:36:32] cut-ins and driveways, and all

[5:36:34] of those things.

[5:36:37] Plus, the greenway trails are

[5:36:39] not as safe as they used to be,

[5:36:44] because of so many conflicts

[5:36:45] between pedestrians and bicycles

[5:36:46] on those trails.

[5:36:48] So we're talking about making

[5:36:51] the trails part of a mobility

[5:36:52] system, how do we protect the

[5:36:54] average family out there walking

[5:36:55] on the weekend, too.

[5:36:59] So all of that needs to be very

[5:37:02] carefully integrated, into both

[5:37:05] vision zero and from the federal

[5:37:07] money that we want to go to the

[5:37:09] program on mobility.

[5:37:12] So I just wanted to recognize my

[5:37:13] experience in those areas, and I

[5:37:15] hope we really delve into it,

[5:37:17] and come up with some good

[5:37:17] plans.

[5:37:18] Thank you, mayor.

[5:37:20] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[5:37:21] councilmember courage.

[5:37:27] Councilmember castillo.

[5:37:31] >> Castillo: thank you, mayor.

[5:37:34] [Lapse in audio] Every door we

[5:37:36] went to was streets and

[5:37:36] sidewalks.

[5:37:37] Some have lived there for

[5:37:40] generations.

[5:37:41] I agree with councilmember

[5:37:42] courage that we do need to do

[5:37:46] better in investing in the very

[5:37:48] infrastructure of streets and

[5:37:49] sidewalks.

[5:37:51] And make sure we make a dent.

[5:37:53] I have a question regarding

[5:37:56] coordination with S.A.W.S.

[5:38:00] I've heard stories from several

[5:38:01] constituents [Lapse in audio]

[5:38:03] And it's torn back up and

[5:38:04] patched back up.

[5:38:07] What does that coordination look

[5:38:07] like?

[5:38:12] >> on all our bond projects, and

[5:38:18] imp projects, we coordinate very

[5:38:23] closely with S.A.W.S. And cps.

[5:38:24] Sometimes people get straight,

[5:38:26] because we just want to make

[5:38:30] sure S.A.W.S. Or at&t or cps

[5:38:31] they don't come and cut the

[5:38:33] roadway we just fixed a few

[5:38:36] months ago.

[5:38:37] Unfortunately sometimes there's

[5:38:39] an emergency cut in fixing the

[5:38:40] roadway.

[5:38:41] But a big percentage of the

[5:38:44] time, they don't need to

[5:38:47] rebuild, it's brand-new [Lapse

[5:38:49] in audio].

[5:38:50] >> but councilmember, you raise

[5:38:52] a very good point, that frankly

[5:38:55] requires us to communicate with

[5:38:57] both utilities constantly,

[5:38:58] because things change.

[5:39:01] And there have been -- I haven't

[5:39:03] heard -- knock on wood -- I

[5:39:04] haven't heard any issues as of

[5:39:07] late, but in the past, there

[5:39:09] were problems with the

[5:39:10] contractors that the utilities

[5:39:13] used to patch the street up.

[5:39:17] And so annually, for public

[5:39:19] works instituting plans, there's

[5:39:21] a lot of coordination.

[5:39:22] but we need to continue to do

[5:39:28] better between us.

[5:39:28] >> Castillo: thank you.

[5:39:30] I also support the vision zero,

[5:39:32] we must ensure all funds are

[5:39:34] committed to physical

[5:39:34] infrastructure.

[5:39:40] And in regards to transportation

[5:39:42] and the bike lanes, we had a

[5:39:43] conversation of protected bike

[5:39:47] lanes.

[5:39:51] >> on bond projects, a number of

[5:39:54] them have [Lapse in audio] Good

[5:39:57] example, we are build ing

[5:39:58] ing a

[5:40:04] shared path off the roadway

[5:40:06] [Lapse in audio].

[5:40:06] Unfortunately we don't have

[5:40:11] enough right-of-way to [Lapse in

[5:40:14] audio].

[5:40:16] It's really challenging to build

[5:40:19] a protected bike lane, and there

[5:40:21] is a driveway, there are other

[5:40:23] issues, there is a bus stop.

[5:40:27] It's very challenging [Lapse in

[5:40:29] audio] Physical protection.

[5:40:32] >> but also it's part of the

[5:40:36] bike management plan that tomika

[5:40:39] was talking about earlier.

[5:40:41] We MAY have room for protective

[5:40:43] bike lane, but in some areas it

[5:40:45] MAY run in parallel, in some

[5:40:47] areas it MAY be, what would you

[5:40:50] call it, the mellow street, that

[5:40:52] network that plan we have right

[5:40:53] now, which we're trying to do

[5:40:55] through tomika's department.

[5:40:57] >> on the broadway product

[5:40:59] that's under construction, the

[5:41:02] other part of broadway we

[5:41:03] couldn't provide bike lane.

[5:41:07] We look for the side street

[5:41:07] avenue.

[5:41:11] Farther north we have over 100

[5:41:16] (Indiscernible) Right-of-way.

[5:41:19] >> Castillo: is there a code on

[5:41:21] how close a frontage road can be

[5:41:33] next to the sidewalk?

[5:41:35] >> yes, there is.

[5:41:39] Our udc has a whole section on

[5:41:40] tree-planting standards.

[5:41:41] I would have to get with our

[5:41:43] city to get the exact

[5:41:44] measurements.

[5:41:46] We do measure that the tree has

[5:41:48] room to grow appropriately.

[5:41:49] Certainly if there's new

[5:41:50] sidewalks, we want them to go

[5:41:51] around it and stuff like that.

[5:41:52] I can get that for you,

[5:41:55] certainly, after the meeting.

[5:41:56] >> Castillo: thank you.

[5:41:57] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[5:41:59] councilmember castillo.

[5:42:00] Real quick question.

[5:42:02] Go ahead, greg.

[5:42:03] >> thanks.

[5:42:04] I just wanted to go over one of

[5:42:06] the things that I wasn't able to

[5:42:09] bring in.

[5:42:12] You didn't address the nap

[5:42:13] program, razi.

[5:42:14] Right now we limited it to

[5:42:17] $200,000 a year.

[5:42:21] And we're finding that very

[5:42:22] inadequate for my district.

[5:42:24] We get two, maybe three projects

[5:42:25] a year out of that.

[5:42:27] And I would like to see an

[5:42:29] increase in that budget as well.

[5:42:32] Maybe up to 4 huchb, doubling

[5:42:33] it, 400,000 in each one of the

[5:42:36] districts.

[5:42:39] That is a constant need for, you

[5:42:42] know, lighted stop signs,

[5:42:44] crosswalks, speed bumps, and all

[5:42:47] those requirements that come in

[5:42:47] across the year.

[5:42:50] So I would really like to

[5:42:51] advocate for a larger budget

[5:42:55] with that as well.

[5:42:59] And yes, I didn't say sidewalks

[5:43:00] a while ago.

[5:43:01] I totally understand.

[5:43:02] It's with sidewalks.

[5:43:04] I was on the 17 street and

[5:43:05] sidewalk committee.

[5:43:07] So I totally understand that.

[5:43:07] I get it.

[5:43:09] We have a lot of requirements in

[5:43:12] district 10 for sidewalks as

[5:43:12] well.

[5:43:14] So, yeah, that's all I had, sir,

[5:43:14] thank you.

[5:43:15] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[5:43:16] councilmember perry.

[5:43:18] Just a quick question for

[5:43:19] tomika, actually.

[5:43:21] And erik can allude to this.

[5:43:22] I just want to be clear.

[5:43:24] As part of the bicycle master

[5:43:26] plan development, are we going

[5:43:28] to define the designs for

[5:43:30] bicycle path?

[5:43:31] >> yeah.

[5:43:33] That goal is that this product

[5:43:34] will have typologies.

[5:43:38] Based on the data we collect,

[5:43:41] COUNCILWOMAN Castillo's comment

[5:43:44] on bike lanes, if you have slow

[5:43:45] streets, streets where the speed

[5:43:47] is below 30 miles an hour, 35

[5:43:48] miles an hour, you won't have

[5:43:51] the need for as much capital

[5:43:52] infrastructure for protected

[5:43:54] bike lanes because you have the

[5:43:56] network of low stress streets.

[5:43:58] And we can identify based on the

[5:44:01] speed of our existing roadways,

[5:44:03] based on the width of those

[5:44:06] roadways, what the minimum bike

[5:44:07] amenities are.

[5:44:11] Is it a buffered pike lane

[5:44:11] ed

[5:44:13] ed bike lane,

[5:44:15] should it have a transit island,

[5:44:16] which is where people who are

[5:44:19] waiting at the bus don't have to

[5:44:24] be in the way of the bicycles,

[5:44:24] and bicyclists can pass that

[5:44:25] transit island where people are

[5:44:27] getting on the bus and cyclists

[5:44:29] don't have to stop.

[5:44:31] So the typology will be a

[5:44:31] network.

[5:44:32] And that's something that will

[5:44:34] be related to the udc.

[5:44:35] So you'll work with mike's team

[5:44:39] on those development proposals,

[5:44:41] and the typology is typology a,

[5:44:44] a speed of 35 miles an hour,

[5:44:46] 140-foot right-of-way, that at a

[5:44:48] minimum requires transit islands

[5:44:49] at transit stops.

[5:44:51] You have to have protective bike

[5:44:51] lanes.

[5:44:55] That is the goal of the update.

[5:44:57] So it informs our development

[5:44:59] process, it informs how we

[5:45:01] integrate transit on those

[5:45:01] corridors.

[5:45:03] In tandem with that, the next

[5:45:06] step will be working with via

[5:45:08] and their priority corridors for

[5:45:09] transit and we develop and

[5:45:10] incorporate the minimum

[5:45:12] standards for the transit

[5:45:13] ridership on those corridors.

[5:45:14] I hope that helps.

[5:45:16] >> Mayor Nirenberg: it does,

[5:45:16] yeah.

[5:45:19] It's because we get ridiculed,

[5:45:20] justifiably, for some of the

[5:45:22] things that the state has called

[5:45:23] a bike lane.

[5:45:25] I'm thinking specifically about

[5:45:27] the (Indiscernible) Parkway,

[5:45:29] with a stripe that goes right

[5:45:30] down the road next to the cars

[5:45:33] that are going 65 miles an hour.

[5:45:34] And they call that a bike lane.

[5:45:36] We want to make sure we're being

[5:45:38] deliberate, and when we build a

[5:45:40] bicycle lane, that it's safe for

[5:45:41] everybody.

[5:45:42] >> yes, sir.

[5:45:43] >> Mayor Nirenberg: so very much

[5:45:44] looking forward to that.

[5:45:45] And the last point I want to

[5:45:48] make and then I'll toss it to

[5:45:48] you, councilmember.

[5:45:53] So I'm clear, I think we are

[5:45:55] clear, erik and I were just

[5:45:58] talking about this, but for

[5:45:59] folks hearing this are clear,

[5:46:00] when we're talking about the $20

[5:46:02] million that would be earmarked

[5:46:06] for vision zero, this is not

[5:46:09] supplanting street projects.

[5:46:11] This would be allocating in

[5:46:13] addition to what is normally

[5:46:18] spent in a fiscal year for

[5:46:19] street maintenance.

[5:46:21] And what we're missing are those

[5:46:23] dollars that aren't spent

[5:46:26] because they're earmarked for

[5:46:28] reconstruction projects, going

[5:46:30] into a design phase before it's

[5:46:30] constructed.

[5:46:31] >> yes.

[5:46:32] And it also goes hand in hand

[5:46:33] with the subsequent conversation

[5:46:35] that the council will have about

[5:46:36] the bond program.

[5:46:37] Because that's a critical

[5:46:39] element to it.

[5:46:42] And so those two together make

[5:46:44] that a potential opportunity for

[5:46:45] us.

[5:46:46] >> Mayor Nirenberg: okay.

[5:46:47] Thank you, guys.

[5:46:49] Councilmember castillo.

[5:46:50] >> Castillo: thank you.

[5:46:52] I wanted to quickly note my

[5:46:53] support for councilmember

[5:46:54] perry's suggestion for

[5:46:55] increasing that funding.

[5:46:56] >> Mayor Nirenberg: all right.

[5:47:00] Okay.

[5:47:03] Thank you, raz o',

[5:47:07] irazi, tomika.

[5:47:08] Erik?

[5:47:14] >> next up, lori houston and

[5:47:16] beta will walk us through the

[5:47:19] affordable housing components.

[5:47:20] We began talking about it last

[5:47:39] week, but they'll go into more

[5:47:40] detail.

[5:47:43] >> good afternoon.

[5:47:44] If anyone needs to stretch,

[5:47:47] please feel free to do so.

[5:47:48] It's been a long day.

[5:47:51] And we're going to talk about

[5:47:52] one of our favorite topics, at

[5:47:53] least for me, which is

[5:47:56] affordable housing.

[5:48:00] As we look at fiscal year 2022,

[5:48:01] affordable housing, it is

[5:48:03] important to step back and

[5:48:03] figure out what we're talking

[5:48:06] about.

[5:48:09] So we had quite a bit of

[5:48:10] conversations about what the

[5:48:12] definition of affordable housing

[5:48:15] is within our housing

[5:48:17] commission, within our

[5:48:18] organizations.

[5:48:22] But I want to step back and talk

[5:48:25] about the [Lapse in audio]

[5:48:26] Nationally we talk about when

[5:48:28] we're talking about affordable

[5:48:29] housing.

[5:48:30] Know that for san antonio the

[5:48:31] definition of housing

[5:48:33] affordability has to be

[5:48:34] fine-tuned for us.

[5:48:35] But when we talk about

[5:48:37] affordable housing, we're

[5:48:40] talking about housing that is --

[5:48:42] housing that is affordable when

[5:48:44] a family does not spend more

[5:48:47] than 30% on housing costs.

[5:48:51] And everyone, be it a person

[5:48:54] making minimum wage, or a fair

[5:48:56] income, has to be able to afford

[5:48:58] housing, and they should not be

[5:48:59] spending more than 30% of their

[5:49:00] income on housing.

[5:49:02] We as practitioners talk about

[5:49:04] affordable housing as serving

[5:49:06] families that make 80% of the

[5:49:08] median income.

[5:49:11] The area median income or ami

[5:49:13] changes every year.

[5:49:18] We use a [Lapse in audio] So for

[5:49:19] context, this just came out at

[5:49:21] the beginning of the month.

[5:49:23] 80% of ami for a family of four

[5:49:27] in our metro area is 59,300.

[5:49:31] So every year it will differ.

[5:49:32] And of course, it varies by

[5:49:32] family.

[5:49:35] When we talk about housing and

[5:49:36] affordable housing, we talk

[5:49:38] about a broad spectrum of

[5:49:38] housing.

[5:49:40] It can be mixed income housing

[5:49:41] where you have a market rate

[5:49:44] unit next to an affordable unit

[5:49:45] in the same community that is

[5:49:46] being rented.

[5:49:51] It can be housing that the

[5:49:53] workforce utilize.

[5:49:55] So people who work at a service

[5:49:58] job, at a professional job, we

[5:50:01] have to have housing for those

[5:50:01] folks.

[5:50:03] Be it being able to stay in

[5:50:04] their homes that they've owned a

[5:50:07] long time, or being able to

[5:50:10] rent, or be it subsidized

[5:50:13] affordable housing rental

[5:50:14] community, veterans need housing

[5:50:14] as well.

[5:50:16] We include public housing here,

[5:50:17] because we're talking about the

[5:50:19] whole system.

[5:50:22] And for those at risk or who

[5:50:23] experienced homelessness, they

[5:50:25] might need permanent housing as

[5:50:25] well.

[5:50:27] So I just wanted to talk about

[5:50:30] the definition of affordable

[5:50:31] housing.

[5:50:32] And what we have been doing over

[5:50:34] the last five years is really

[5:50:36] rooted in the housing policy

[5:50:37] framework.

[5:50:39] So our department administers

[5:50:43] programs and policies that

[5:50:47] design very strategic [Lapse in

[5:50:50] audio] To prevent eviction,

[5:50:51] prevent homelessness and the

[5:50:52] preservation of affordable

[5:50:52] housing.

[5:50:55] And so we do a lot of things

[5:50:58] from policy to actually serving

[5:50:59] families with these programs,

[5:51:03] and a lot of the things, we hope

[5:51:06] to continue through next year's

[5:51:08] budget, to build on the elements

[5:51:11] that are in this document,

[5:51:12] coordinated housing system,

[5:51:14] continue to have housing

[5:51:16] production and rehab and

[5:51:19] continued investment in those

[5:51:21] areas, eviction prevention,

[5:51:22] housing navigation services

[5:51:25] provided in the community, and

[5:51:29] of course, [Lapse in audio] That

[5:51:30] improves housing.

[5:51:32] All of these are in this

[5:51:32] document.

[5:51:35] And this document had those core

[5:51:37] issues identified for a

[5:51:38] community.

[5:51:42] We know they have been

[5:51:42] exacerbated by the pandemic.

[5:51:44] The cost outpacing income

[5:51:44] growth.

[5:51:46] Affordable gaps when it comes to

[5:51:48] housing for both home ownership

[5:51:52] and rental, a supply-and-demand

[5:51:53] mismatch.

[5:51:56] More people being house

[5:51:57] burdened, decreasing home

[5:52:02] ownership throughout the city.

[5:52:02] And of course

[5:52:04] so all of that is in the policy

[5:52:06] task force.

[5:52:09] It identified -- this document

[5:52:10] identified five priorities,

[5:52:11] including making sure that we

[5:52:14] have a coordinated housing

[5:52:16] system, large ecosystem, but we

[5:52:20] need to continue to be better at

[5:52:20] coordinating all the systems

[5:52:22] that serve the community from

[5:52:24] the homeless to the housing

[5:52:26] navigation services to how do we

[5:52:28] increase home ownership.

[5:52:31] And so building the housing

[5:52:35] policy form, in the process, and

[5:52:41] the pandemic, [Lapse in audio]

[5:52:43] Plan for the housing policy

[5:52:43] framework.

[5:52:44] It's a great document.

[5:52:46] It has a lot of great policies.

[5:52:49] But what we are doing with the

[5:52:50] strategic housing implementation

[5:52:53] plan is defining affordability

[5:52:55] for san antonio, we're

[5:52:57] recalibrating the goals in the

[5:53:00] ten-year plan, now that we have

[5:53:03] three years of data to show how

[5:53:06] we're meeting the needs in the

[5:53:17] community [Lapse in audio],

[5:53:17] .

[5:53:19] What is being delivered, who is

[5:53:20] doing what.

[5:53:22] and also, how we're going to get

[5:53:22] there.

[5:53:24] So the strategic housing

[5:53:25] implementation plan, which is

[5:53:29] under way now, involves a lot of

[5:53:30] the folks who helped us with the

[5:53:32] house policy framework, and it

[5:53:34] gives us the implementation

[5:53:36] plan, so we can have clear how

[5:53:38] to get there, and clear

[5:53:39] accountability for the policies

[5:53:41] being fleshed out.

[5:53:43] Importantly, this year, we

[5:53:46] completed our for everyone home

[5:53:48] displacement agenda as well,

[5:53:52] which detailed the who, what and

[5:53:54] how for anti-displacement

[5:53:54] efforts.

[5:53:55] There are strategies being

[5:53:58] fleshed out over the next month

[5:53:59] that will [Lapse in audio].

[5:54:03] But the other recommendations in

[5:54:05] that displacement work will be

[5:54:06] folded into the strategic

[5:54:07] housing implementation plan.

[5:54:11] We have a lot of fun when we say

[5:54:13] shipmates and steering the ship,

[5:54:15] so we have a good sense of humor

[5:54:16] when we talk about housing.

[5:54:19] But some of the ship strategies

[5:54:23] as we service through various

[5:54:24] muddy waters is all of these

[5:54:26] policies.

[5:54:31] We have forms that help us, we

[5:54:34] have real estate professionals,

[5:54:36] nonprofit providers, and

[5:54:39] advocates who are grass roots

[5:54:41] activists on the housing site.

[5:54:42] They are tackling what we do

[5:54:47] when it comes to real estate

[5:54:48] development [Lapse in audio].

[5:54:50] We have, of course, a lot of

[5:54:52] housing policy that some of it

[5:54:53] is put on hold, some of it is

[5:54:55] going forward, some of it has to

[5:54:59] do with the udc, for example.

[5:55:01] We have the affordable housing

[5:55:02] community being a big part of

[5:55:03] the conversation, shaping what

[5:55:05] we do in that implementation

[5:55:06] plan.

[5:55:09] And we have a lot of residents

[5:55:12] involved that are helping us to

[5:55:16] address when it comes to

[5:55:20] eviction, diversion, so all of

[5:55:23] that is a part of what we're

[5:55:23] doing.

[5:55:27] So we knew in 2018 that we had

[5:55:30] housing challenges, and the

[5:55:32] pandemic has only exacerbated

[5:55:32] it.

[5:55:36] Just last week, [Lapse in audio]

[5:55:38] Housing assistance program, this

[5:55:40] is the largest housing

[5:55:41] assistance program in the

[5:55:42] country.

[5:55:44] We have $89 million program, but

[5:55:46] the federal moneys are not going

[5:55:48] to last forever, so we need to

[5:55:53] get back to the items that this

[5:55:53] document

[5:55:54] document's strategic approach

[5:55:54] calls for.

[5:55:56] We need to get back to

[5:55:57] production preservation, the

[5:55:59] programs that we know our

[5:56:00] community needed before the

[5:56:02] pandemic, and that continues to

[5:56:05] be a need in our community as

[5:56:06] well.

[5:56:08] And so we will continue to have

[5:56:10] the response to the pandemic

[5:56:11] through emergency housing

[5:56:12] assistance, but we need to get

[5:56:14] back to the other things that

[5:56:17] are going to move us forward to

[5:56:19] a post-pandemic housing

[5:56:22] landscape.

[5:56:25] This is a comparison that has

[5:56:26] some of the programs that are

[5:56:28] helping us achieve housing

[5:56:31] affordability in our community.

[5:56:33] This is this year's adopted

[5:56:34] budget compared to the trial

[5:56:34] budget.

[5:56:36] So you see that we do everything

[5:56:42] from subsidized to affordable

[5:56:44] housing through our gap

[5:56:45] financing, that we help families

[5:56:47] figure out how to clear the

[5:56:49] title to their properties, so

[5:56:51] that they can reap the value of

[5:56:55] that equity, or qualify for

[5:56:56] programs that require your

[5:56:56] title.

[5:56:59] We have support for partners

[5:57:02] like the san antonio local

[5:57:04] initiative support corporation.

[5:57:06] And we have direct services to

[5:57:09] help homeowners take care of

[5:57:11] minor repairs, take care of a

[5:57:12] roof, that helps that family

[5:57:15] stay in their home and in their

[5:57:16] neighborhood.

[5:57:18] So we'll continue to have those

[5:57:20] programs going forward.

[5:57:21] Some of these programs are

[5:57:23] delivered in-house, some of it

[5:57:26] is outsourced and we use a lot

[5:57:26] of contractors to help us do

[5:57:27] some of this work.

[5:57:29] We do want to get back to doing

[5:57:31] more of the down payment

[5:57:32] assistance as well.

[5:57:35] That is a program that has money

[5:57:38] shifted to rehab.

[5:57:39] With the affordability gap, we

[5:57:42] have to get back to help these

[5:57:43] families achieve that home

[5:57:46] ownership dream as well.

[5:57:49] Of course, we have learned and

[5:57:51] expanded a lot of programs,

[5:57:54] because [Lapse in audio]

[5:57:56] Expanding programs that help

[5:57:57] families facing housing

[5:57:57] insecurity.

[5:58:03] So we're going to continue to.

[5:58:06] We already had a risk mitigation

[5:58:07] program before the pandemic, the

[5:58:09] foundation for emergency housing

[5:58:10] assistance program.

[5:58:12] We want to continue to have

[5:58:14] that, though we might not have

[5:58:16] the same scale as we had over

[5:58:19] the last 15 months and we might

[5:58:21] not make it as generous as the

[5:58:22] program is currently.

[5:58:25] And again we have to continue to

[5:58:27] build our coordinated housing

[5:58:28] system and have that support

[5:58:30] with our partners in place.

[5:58:33] So this is just showing the

[5:58:35] current adopted budget and the

[5:58:38] trial budget numbers.

[5:58:40] One of the things we had before

[5:58:42] or had to grow because of the

[5:58:44] pandemic include a right to

[5:58:46] counsel program which we want to

[5:58:47] continue to have and expand.

[5:58:49] We did create a court support

[5:58:52] for evictions that we would like

[5:58:54] to continue going forward.

[5:58:56] We have a lot more know your

[5:58:57] rights trainings that we think

[5:58:59] are important as part of the

[5:59:01] house navigation services that

[5:59:04] we want to continue in the

[5:59:04] future.

[5:59:05] As counsel you adopted the

[5:59:07] notice of tenants rights so

[5:59:08] that's part of the housing

[5:59:10] navigation services he want to

[5:59:12] continue to have and this is

[5:59:15] informing both landlords and

[5:59:17] tenants a about the rights that

[5:59:18] tenants have.

[5:59:21] Recently, you passed a housing

[5:59:22] voucher incentive policy so we

[5:59:24] will get to the data and testing

[5:59:25] starting next fiscal year.

[5:59:27] We had a program three years ago

[5:59:31] that helped families who have,

[5:59:33] are considered high-risk renters

[5:59:34] get housing, have more

[5:59:36] opportunity to be able to rent.

[5:59:38] It is called place in

[5:59:40] partnership with the south alamo

[5:59:42] regional alliance for the

[5:59:42] homeless, we want to continue

[5:59:44] that program as well.

[5:59:46] We know relocation assistance is

[5:59:47] going to be important,

[5:59:50] especially as the cdc eviction

[5:59:51] moratorium comes to an end and

[5:59:53] we want to continue the great

[5:59:54] partnership with the department

[5:59:57] of huge services when it comes

[5:59:59] to the navigators, both for

[6:00:02] housing navigation services,

[6:00:04] fair housing counseling and

[6:00:04] benefit navigators.

[6:00:06] Our departments are working

[6:00:09] closer than ever to make sure

[6:00:11] that our clients get the full

[6:00:14] spectrum of services.

[6:00:15] And so we have five justice of

[6:00:17] the peace courts that do

[6:00:18] evictions.

[6:00:20] We have a presence every time

[6:00:22] there is a court that is meeting

[6:00:24] on evictions, that is a program

[6:00:25] we want to continue.

[6:00:27] We know there is a disparate

[6:00:28] impact as well with regards to

[6:00:31] who is getting eviction notices

[6:00:32] so we want to continue to

[6:00:34] provide that in the future.

[6:00:37] We will connect residents to the

[6:00:38] emergency housing assistance

[6:00:41] program as we have done and also

[6:00:42] make sure that people take

[6:00:43] advantage of the program that

[6:00:44] the state is running.

[6:00:46] The state is running the

[6:00:47] eviction diversion program so we

[6:00:49] want to make sure people tap

[6:00:51] into those resources and all of

[6:00:52] these are new, so we have to

[6:00:53] make sure people know about it.

[6:00:55] It is hard enough letting people

[6:00:58] know about something that exists

[6:00:59] like the homestead exemptions

[6:01:00] you talked about.

[6:01:01] It is more of a challenge when

[6:01:04] it is a whole new program that

[6:01:06] didn't exist two years ago.

[6:01:07] But we are up for that damage.

[6:01:09] We want to make sure we continue

[6:01:11] those counseling services to the

[6:01:13] individuals and families that

[6:01:15] need housing assistance and

[6:01:17] those that are facing relocation

[6:01:20] issues as well.

[6:01:20] Fair housing is something that

[6:01:22] has been embedded in the work

[6:01:24] that we do so we want that

[6:01:26] information to continue.

[6:01:30] We focus so much on e has been

[6:01:31] emergency housing assistant

[6:01:33] program we couldn't do a lot of

[6:01:34] the in person training but we

[6:01:36] want to get back to that and 15

[6:01:39] that partnership to connect

[6:01:40] residents with housing services

[6:01:42] to all of the other services

[6:01:44] that they might be eligible for

[6:01:47] that dhs has through their

[6:01:49] benefit navigators as well.

[6:01:51] So with regards to next year,

[6:01:53] top priorities from what we know

[6:01:55] of the housing policy framework,

[6:01:58] the data, the numbers that we

[6:02:00] have for the last three years

[6:02:02] and what we have heard, even as

[6:02:05] we provided emergency housing

[6:02:06] assistance is that we need to

[6:02:09] back to having more of that

[6:02:11] owner occupied rehab for our

[6:02:12] homeowners, that we need to

[6:02:14] continue to help families with

[6:02:16] minor repairs, because these

[6:02:21] programs not only keep a house

[6:02:22] going earnings expand the

[6:02:24] longevity of the house but they

[6:02:26] keep a family in a neighborhood.

[6:02:29] They don't disrupt that family

[6:02:31] and it is also something that is

[6:02:33] for climate issues effective and

[6:02:35] it is also sometimes cheaper

[6:02:38] than building a new unit.

[6:02:40] .. We know we have to administer

[6:02:41] these programs and have the

[6:02:44] staff to provide the counseling,

[6:02:46] the resources, processing

[6:02:48] placings, so $5 million for

[6:02:50] affordable housing, and these

[6:02:50] are the priorities.

[6:02:52] The satisfy to help our

[6:02:54] community members and the

[6:02:56] programs that we wish to expand,

[6:03:00] owner occupied rehab, minor

[6:03:01] repair, and rental assistance

[6:03:05] because we know, again, the

[6:03:06] effects of the pandemic are

[6:03:08] going to demand we do that well.

[6:03:12] That is the end of the

[6:03:14] presentation -- and I can answer

[6:03:16] any questions you might have.

[6:03:16] >> Mayor

[6:03:17] have.

[6:03:18] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you.

[6:03:20] As we get into the discussion,

[6:03:24] just top line, what I would like

[6:03:25] to see as we get into our budget

[6:03:26] briefings is, and especially as

[6:03:30] we go into the 2022 bond cycle

[6:03:32] is an update on how we are doing

[6:03:34] on all of the ten year

[6:03:36] implementation plan metrics, and

[6:03:38] also if we can get a report over

[6:03:42] the last few years, how many

[6:03:43] affordable units of all types

[6:03:46] have been built or identified in

[6:03:48] the city, that would be helpful,

[6:03:50] so we can talk about what is

[6:03:52] working and potentially what

[6:03:55] needs to be adjusted.

[6:03:57] What I am interested in is how

[6:03:59] we are going transition from

[6:04:02] what has been crisis management

[6:04:05] emergency housing protocol

[6:04:06] specifically to work with the

[6:04:08] housing navigators and counsel

[6:04:10] lors have been doing at the

[6:04:11] library which they are doing

[6:04:12] phenomenal work, how we are

[6:04:14] going to transition that and the

[6:04:16] lessons learned into more of our

[6:04:19] long-term strategy.

[6:04:20] >> great question.

[6:04:23] So part of what we are proposing

[6:04:24] under the administration of

[6:04:26] funds and programs is increasing

[6:04:28] the staffing for the housing and

[6:04:28] a half

[6:04:31] navigation services, so that the

[6:04:33] transition is an easy one.

[6:04:34] We have been providing the

[6:04:35] services.

[6:04:37] We had been providing the

[6:04:39] emergency housing assistance.

[6:04:40] Obviously we cannot do it at the

[6:04:43] scale with all of the federal

[6:04:45] money we had with $189 million

[6:04:46] program, but we do want to

[6:04:49] continue to assist with some

[6:04:50] emergency housing assistance,

[6:04:51] but it really is the counseling

[6:04:54] and the housing navigation

[6:04:55] services that we are growing so

[6:04:57] we are adding staff to that, so

[6:04:59] that the counseling, the

[6:05:01] benefits, all of that is part of

[6:05:02] what we continue to provide.

[6:05:05] And then we will still have, you

[6:05:07] know, before it was risk

[6:05:07] mitigation program and still

[6:05:08] have funding for that.

[6:05:11] We will have to revisit the

[6:05:13] allowances for that program,

[6:05:14] because there will be less money

[6:05:16] as the federal money is used up

[6:05:17] into next year.

[6:05:18] But that is

[6:05:19] that is how we are going

[6:05:21] transition and we see next year

[6:05:24] as a transition point to get

[6:05:26] back to the other programs that

[6:05:27] our community needs so quick

[6:05:30] produce and preserve affordable

[6:05:30] housing.

[6:05:31] >> Mayor Nirenberg: I have a

[6:05:32] question about the federal

[6:05:33] programs in just a second, but

[6:05:34] on the point of the navigators,

[6:05:37] if anybody here is not -- has

[6:05:38] not gone to visit and toured

[6:05:39] that facility at the library to

[6:05:41] see the work those folks are

[6:05:43] doing it is really incredible.

[6:05:47] , you know, one on one coaching

[6:05:48] and in take and being able to

[6:05:50] filter people into the

[6:05:51] assistance programs we have,

[6:05:52] whether they are in housing or

[6:05:54] something else, they have done

[6:05:55] really great work.

[6:05:57] And to that point a little bit

[6:05:59] of an aside, erik, we talked

[6:06:00] about the fact a lot of those

[6:06:02] folks are on contract.

[6:06:05] They are, as a result of very

[6:06:07] short-term training now have

[6:06:09] marketable professional skills.

[6:06:10] We had discussed what kind of

[6:06:12] certification or something we

[6:06:13] could provide for those folks

[6:06:15] who MAY not continue past the

[6:06:17] pandemic crisis management, they

[6:06:18] would have a marketable

[6:06:19] professional skill that they

[6:06:21] could take to another career.

[6:06:21] Have

[6:06:24] have you all gotten any farther

[6:06:27] on that?

[6:06:29] >> we are going start working

[6:06:32] with hr on that, but we have

[6:06:33] talked about what we could do

[6:06:34] for those.

[6:06:36] We have had some people actually

[6:06:38] leave the temporary jobs because

[6:06:40] they found permanent positions,

[6:06:41] so we are talking about what

[6:06:43] kind of certificate and hr is

[6:06:44] going to be helping with us

[6:06:44] that.

[6:06:45] >> Mayor Nirenberg: okay.

[6:06:47] Because I assume part of their

[6:06:49] intake, just for landing that

[6:06:52] contract position was security,

[6:06:53] training, pci training, that

[6:06:54] sort of thing, which they can

[6:06:57] take to another career.

[6:06:59] Back on the federal programs,

[6:06:59] did you want to add.

[6:07:02] >> I did want to add because we

[6:07:04] have several cocouncilmembers

[6:07:04] who haven't had the opportunity

[6:07:06] to go to the library and see our

[6:07:07] staff this action.

[6:07:10] And so if somebody goes to a

[6:07:11] benefits navigator, we will do

[6:07:13] an assessment of them, and we

[6:07:14] will look to see what programs

[6:07:16] they MAY qualify, and often

[6:07:18] times someone who goes into the

[6:07:21] center will leave with snap

[6:07:22] benefits, other local or state

[6:07:24] benefits that they didn't know

[6:07:25] they qualified for, so when we

[6:07:28] talk about transitioning it is

[6:07:29] about reallocating where they

[6:07:32] put their funding resources.

[6:07:34] And if they didn't know that

[6:07:35] they qualified for snap, if they

[6:07:39] didn't know they qualified for

[6:07:40] subsidized day-care, we are able

[6:07:42] to help offset that cost so they

[6:07:45] can put that funding towards

[6:07:45] housing.

[6:07:48] i think during the pandemic we

[6:07:51] really undervalued that tool,

[6:07:53] having that handholding and that

[6:07:56] counseling, and during the

[6:07:57] event, we had so many people

[6:08:00] call us because they needed

[6:08:01] water and as a result of that,

[6:08:02] the snow event, we were able to

[6:08:04] help them so it is going to be a

[6:08:06] great opportunity.. For us to

[6:08:06] transition and I think it is

[6:08:08] going to be smooth, especially

[6:08:08] with the state program, they

[6:08:11] will be continuing for the next

[6:08:13] couple of months 0 as well.

[6:08:14] >> Mayor Nirenberg: it is a

[6:08:16] similar model to the

[6:08:17] houseworkers and learning the

[6:08:17] same skills.

[6:08:19] Back on the federal programs, I

[6:08:22] am hearing that, and obviously I

[6:08:24] think there is tremendous

[6:08:26] support and consensus on

[6:08:27] rehabilitation programs and our

[6:08:30] need to start augmenting those.

[6:08:32] I am hearing there is an

[6:08:34] obstacle for a lot of applicants

[6:08:35] in terms of title clearance and

[6:08:37] clouded titles.

[6:08:39] Could you speak to that?

[6:08:40] And if there are enough

[6:08:42] resources for us in title

[6:08:42] clearance?

[6:08:43] >> sure.

[6:08:46] We do have a title clearance

[6:08:46] program.

[6:08:50] I believe it is in our budget as

[6:08:50] well.

[6:08:51] You see some of the amount

[6:08:54] allocated for that, and so what

[6:08:56] we do is we have outsourced some

[6:09:00] of this work with both utsa and

[6:09:01] a nonprofit organization to

[6:09:03] actually help families address

[6:09:04] that issue.

[6:09:07] Many times it is a legal issue,

[6:09:08] because eventually you have to

[6:09:10] file a legal document, but we

[6:09:14] guide them through the rose and

[6:09:15] even st. Mary's has a clinic

[6:09:16] that helps us address that.

[6:09:19] So when we do find a client that

[6:09:21] cops for minor repair that they

[6:09:23] don't have clear title, we help

[6:09:25] direct them to the title

[6:09:27] clearance program so that they

[6:09:28] can come back and take advantage

[6:09:29] of that, so the title clearance

[6:09:32] is increasing and will continue

[6:09:33] to help clients address those

[6:09:34] issues.

[6:09:34] >> Mayor Nirenberg: great.

[6:09:35] Okay.

[6:09:36] I just would like us to monitor

[6:09:38] that, because I am hearing there

[6:09:40] is an issue there in terms of

[6:09:42] title clearance for a lot of

[6:09:43] those applicants.

[6:09:45] Last question is, and there is

[6:09:48] beyond the the debate of any of

[6:09:51] the pfc or other programs that

[6:09:54] we use to create affordable

[6:09:55] housing units here in our city.

[6:09:58] We know that there is a

[6:10:00] tremendous number of multifamily

[6:10:02] developments that have

[6:10:03] affordability built in.

[6:10:05] There are subsidized programs

[6:10:06] that MAY be coming towards the

[6:10:09] end of their affordability

[6:10:10] program life.

[6:10:12] My understanding is that there

[6:10:14] -- before -- the home initiative

[6:10:15] has identified some

[6:10:17] recommendations to help us deal

[6:10:18] with that to preserve that

[6:10:20] affordable housing stock.

[6:10:21] Can you talk about that, the

[6:10:23] housing preservation network and

[6:10:25] you we are going to implement

[6:10:25] that?

[6:10:26] >> yes.

[6:10:28] So under the anti-displacement

[6:10:30] agenda, which is the for

[6:10:35] everyone home, the housing

[6:10:35] preservation network would work

[6:10:37] and focus on those -- it is

[6:10:38] essentially affordability

[6:10:40] covenants, typically when

[6:10:41] someone receives or a developer

[6:10:44] receives a subsidy they have 15,

[6:10:50] 20, 30 years where they are

[6:10:50] required to keep the units that

[6:10:50] we subsidize affordable, and so

[6:10:53] after a certain period of time,

[6:10:54] the affordability period goes

[6:10:55] away.

[6:10:58] And so we have identified how

[6:10:59] many units over the next five

[6:11:01] years are going to have that

[6:11:03] affordability covenant expiring.

[6:11:05] So our approach is, to use some

[6:11:08] of the gap funding you see here

[6:11:10] to have those units come back,

[6:11:12] get some rehab, have the

[6:11:14] affordability covenant extended.

[6:11:16] And so the housing preservation

[6:11:18] network would actively track the

[6:11:21] data, track the units and make

[6:11:22] sure that we were targeting the

[6:11:25] funding that we had, be it from

[6:11:27] our budget, perhaps after we

[6:11:30] have a housing bump program,

[6:11:31] targeting some of that funding

[6:11:33] as well, so that we can have

[6:11:35] those units that are currently

[6:11:38] affordable remain affordable

[6:11:39] beyond the expiration of the

[6:11:40] affordability covenant, and

[6:11:42] that's part of what the housing

[6:11:44] preservation met work would do.

[6:11:45] They wouldn't just focus on

[6:11:46] that.

[6:11:47] They would also look at

[6:11:49] preservation of homeowner ship

[6:11:50] units as well.

[6:11:52] But a big focus would be those

[6:11:53] rental units where the covenant

[6:11:55] is going to expire over the next

[6:11:56] five years.

[6:11:57] >> Mayor Nirenberg: that seems

[6:11:59] like it could be the highest

[6:12:00] impact in extremely low hanging

[6:12:03] fruit for us to preserve

[6:12:05] housing.

[6:12:06] So councilmember rocha garcia

[6:12:08] rothank you, mayor.

[6:12:10] Thank you, I appreciate your

[6:12:13] update.. Since we are on that

[6:12:15] subject, and brought that home,

[6:12:16] there are detailed

[6:12:16] implementation plans.

[6:12:18] On ape frill third we got an

[6:12:21] update from nhsd about a draft

[6:12:23] report, 70 plus page report.

[6:12:24] Has that been final life.

[6:12:26] >> it was drafted at the time we

[6:12:27] received the update in APRIL..

[6:12:28] I haven't seen it.

[6:12:29] Do you have that?

[6:12:30] >> yes.

[6:12:38] The growing together report has

[6:12:38] been finalized.

[6:12:39] >> Rocha Garcia: okay.

[6:12:42] >> [Indiscernible] -- my draft

[6:12:43] --

[6:12:44] >> Rocha Garcia: oh, that's

[6:12:45] awesome.

[6:12:45] Good.

[6:12:49] >> so -- [Indiscernible] Give

[6:12:49] this to you.

[6:12:50] But the document itself is

[6:12:51] final.

[6:12:55] We just need to get the draft

[6:12:56] local out of it but it has been

[6:12:59] finished and then the two

[6:13:00] implementation strategies are

[6:13:02] the ones to be developed that

[6:13:04] will be final

[6:13:05] finalized toward the end

[6:13:05] of SEPTEMBER.

[6:13:08] >> thank you, I was talking to a

[6:13:09] reporter last night about

[6:13:10] affordable housing and I

[6:13:12] mentioned the 70 plus page

[6:13:13] report and I thought I missed it

[6:13:15] and I thought I would ask about

[6:13:17] it since it came up today.

[6:13:18] Do we have any update?

[6:13:19] 0 I don't remember what the last

[6:13:22] -- I think I asked erik walsh

[6:13:23] this but the chief housing

[6:13:25] officer, what are we doing with

[6:13:26] that position?

[6:13:28] >> that position is currently

[6:13:31] being advertised and closes next

[6:13:32] week?

[6:13:33] Yes.

[6:13:33] Next week.

[6:13:34] >> Rocha Garcia: okay.

[6:13:35] thank you, erik.

[6:13:38] And by the way, beto, it was

[6:13:39] late last night when I was

[6:13:40] talking to the reporter.

[6:13:42] I couldn't remember what the

[6:13:44] acronym for ship was so I am

[6:13:46] glad you have it altogether for

[6:13:46] us.

[6:13:47] I have a question specifically

[6:13:50] on owner occupied rehab

[6:13:50] strategy.

[6:13:54] We have a 2.5 increase, and I

[6:13:55] love that, thank you so much.

[6:13:57] That is something that is very

[6:13:57] useful.

[6:13:58] And under one roof program,

[6:14:02] there is no change, so I don't

[6:14:03] know if there is still an

[6:14:03] opportunity.

[6:14:06] There is only an 800,000 in

[6:14:07] general change in our trial

[6:14:09] budget, and I understand about

[6:14:10] parities and having to shift

[6:14:12] around but those are things that

[6:14:16] our neighborhood uses and -- I

[6:14:18] am happy in the minor repair is

[6:14:21] going up from 1.4, but I am also

[6:14:22] concerned you just mentioned

[6:14:26] that during the covid, the legal

[6:14:27] services, the right to counsel,

[6:14:28] I think you said that it was one

[6:14:30] of the highest use programs and

[6:14:33] it is being reduced by 300,000.

[6:14:35] Can you help me understand why?

[6:14:35] >> sure.

[6:14:37] When it comes to the reduction,

[6:14:38] the reduction actually is

[6:14:41] because of the equipment, the

[6:14:44] actual legal kiosk, so it is the

[6:14:45] equipment we are in the process

[6:14:47] of acquiring that will be in

[6:14:49] place before the end of this

[6:14:50] fiscal year.

[6:14:52] And so it was a one-time

[6:14:53] capital -- you know, we had to

[6:14:55] guy units and so that is why

[6:14:56] there is a reduction because we

[6:14:57] don't need to buy the units

[6:14:58] again.

[6:14:59] So that ask why you see the

[6:15:02] reduction, but the services

[6:15:04] themselves, the legal aid kind

[6:15:05] of attorneys that are going to

[6:15:08] be providing the service through

[6:15:09] the technology are what we are

[6:15:10] continuing to fund.

[6:15:11] >> Rocha Garcia: okay.

[6:15:11] Wonderful.

[6:15:12] Thank you.

[6:15:15] I was worried about that.

[6:15:16] And then how do we connect?

[6:15:16] Thank you.

[6:15:17] I know you personally came out

[6:15:21] to district 4 to help some folks

[6:15:22] sign up for different services.

[6:15:25] How do we connect other -- the

[6:15:27] city's other programs as you

[6:15:29] give away information on your

[6:15:30] programs.

[6:15:32] >> do you give ready to work

[6:15:32] information?

[6:15:34] Well, actually it is train for

[6:15:36] jobs sa or help me understand

[6:15:38] how you complete the full

[6:15:38] package.

[6:15:43] >> so the -- during the pandemic

[6:15:45] have been -- and alex.

[6:15:46] Every month I think we visit

[6:15:49] about how our teams are

[6:15:51] connecting clients, and we

[6:15:53] continue to do all of that.

[6:15:56] Every week we have the cross

[6:15:57] referral documents we share

[6:16:00] between our departments, and we

[6:16:02] send all of the client that

[6:16:04] apply for e has been that

[6:16:06] indicate these knees additional

[6:16:08] benefits.. And they send us a

[6:16:10] report back as to how many

[6:16:12] clients were served, was it one

[6:16:12] contact?

[6:16:13] Two contacts?

[6:16:14] So we are sharing all of that

[6:16:16] information, sharing our

[6:16:16] clients.

[6:16:18] All of the clients get the

[6:16:21] information where -- we are

[6:16:22] texting, for example, the sa

[6:16:24] speak up survey is going to go

[6:16:27] to all of the ehab clients, even

[6:16:30] all of the landlords so we send

[6:16:31] all of the information and push

[6:16:33] it out like that, so both the

[6:16:34] workforce programs got the

[6:16:35] pushout as well.

[6:16:38] And we continue to refer

[6:16:38] clients.

[6:16:40] Our benefit and a half bears at

[6:16:42] the hs are trained for all of

[6:16:44] these benefits as well as the

[6:16:45] federal programs so every week

[6:16:47] we update our scripts for the

[6:16:49] call centers and the benefit

[6:16:51] navigators and we just continue

[6:16:52] all of that coronation.

[6:16:53] >> Rocha Garcia: thank you.

[6:16:56] >> and I want to add, the I am

[6:16:58] surprised this wasn't mention.

[6:16:59] We work with our department

[6:17:01] partners weekly and we are

[6:17:03] working to see how with we can

[6:17:04] bring the benefit navigators on

[6:17:05] the road.

[6:17:07] So when working each of our

[6:17:09] councilmembers, you know, what

[6:17:10] neighborhoods would you like the

[6:17:10] we

[6:17:11] benefit and a half bears to go

[6:17:12] into?

[6:17:13] And maybe that's where we add,

[6:17:16] we identify where people aren't

[6:17:17] applying for that homestead

[6:17:18] exemption and also asking the

[6:17:20] housing and benefits navigators

[6:17:23] to ask those DECEMBER and help

[6:17:25] people apply for that.

[6:17:26] We are.. Working on that

[6:17:28] program to see how we can bring

[6:17:29] them out into the neighborhood.

[6:17:31] >> the other bees is how do we

[6:17:33] tie the community health workers

[6:17:33] into that?

[6:17:35] So there are a lot of efforts

[6:17:37] that are --

[6:17:37] >> Rocha Garcia: thank you.

[6:17:39] Thank you, mayor.

[6:17:40] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[6:17:43] councilmember rocha garcia.

[6:17:44] Councilmember pelaez.

[6:17:46] >> Pelaez: their, mayor.

[6:17:47] there are two things I want to

[6:17:47] cover.

[6:17:49] One you heard me talk over and

[6:17:50] over again -- by the way,

[6:17:52] excellent presentation -- about

[6:17:53] these owner 0 occupied

[6:17:54] rehabilitation strategies, the

[6:17:56] under one roof repair, but when

[6:17:58] it relates to us offering to pay

[6:18:00] for these things, right, the

[6:18:03] folks who need them the most and

[6:18:04] convince you had doing a great

[6:18:05] job and paying the you know, for

[6:18:07] these repairs that need to

[6:18:11] happen, are we verifying whether

[6:18:12] or not insurance ought to be

[6:18:14] paying for this versus us is and

[6:18:16] to what extent are we asking and

[6:18:16] doing?

[6:18:17] We are still doing that, right?

[6:18:18] >> yes.

[6:18:21] That's part of our -- sop

[6:18:23] standard operating procedures.

[6:18:24] >> Pelaez: okay.

[6:18:24] >> especially for the roof

[6:18:27] programs we do that.

[6:18:28] One of the requirements after is

[6:18:30] that they have updated insurance

[6:18:32] as well pelaez all right.

[6:18:32] Great.

[6:18:33] >> perfect.

[6:18:35] Thank you.

[6:18:36] And then, you know, on the

[6:18:39] northside, one of our

[6:18:40] difficulties and, joan, I

[6:18:41] imagine you had the same

[6:18:43] difficulty when we talk about

[6:18:44] affordable housing people flip

[6:18:45] out.

[6:18:47] They don't want those people

[6:18:48] anywhere near their houses.

[6:18:49] They use those words and

[6:18:50] sometimes they will even come

[6:18:52] out and tell you, I don't want

[6:18:53] the poors anywhere near me.

[6:18:57] You are ruining my neighborhood

[6:18:58] a you know, I hate developers.

[6:19:00] You know, despite the fact they

[6:19:02] all live in homes that were

[6:19:03] developed.

[6:19:05] but I have -- and there is no

[6:19:06] talk aing them out of it.

[6:19:09] In fact, some of these

[6:19:10] affordable projects, some of the

[6:19:11] objections were, no, no, if you

[6:19:12] put the affordable projects up

[6:19:16] here, then you take away value

[6:19:17] from our school districts and

[6:19:19] you sending kids to our school

[6:19:23] for free and it stretches you

[6:19:24] know, the budgets of these

[6:19:26] schools and then you lower the

[6:19:27] quality.

[6:19:28] Anyway, I think I have done a

[6:19:30] pretty good job, joan, I think

[6:19:33] you have done a pretty good job

[6:19:36] of resisting that foolishness,

[6:19:39] and the issue is that we also

[6:19:41] struggle with the tact that it

[6:19:43] is so expensive now to buy land

[6:19:45] or to build a new house, and

[6:19:47] what we are seeing ask urban

[6:19:48] sprawl, because it is cheaper to

[6:19:49] build further and further from

[6:19:52] the urban center than it is to

[6:19:55] build near your existing appeal,

[6:19:57] right, or your preferred school

[6:19:59] or your -- or where your job s

[6:20:00] and the mayor and I were talking

[6:20:02] and I think you still agree with

[6:20:04] me that we need figure out a way

[6:20:06] to increase housing stock of

[6:20:08] every, you know, -- of every

[6:20:09] category.

[6:20:13] I personally don't want to see

[6:20:15] more mcmansions on the north

[6:20:17] side when we could entice

[6:20:19] professionals with good product

[6:20:21] that is smaller that requires

[6:20:23] less impervious cover, that

[6:20:26] requires less energy to cool and

[6:20:27] maintain.

[6:20:30] You know, I am looking for more

[6:20:32] apartments [Indiscernible] Nurse

[6:20:33] -- right out of nursing school

[6:20:35] or the medical student right out

[6:20:37] of medical school you know, for

[6:20:40] them to move into something

[6:20:41] small and attractive as opposed

[6:20:45] to going out and finding their

[6:20:46] first $400,000, you know, 3,000

[6:20:48] square foot home, right?

[6:20:49] This conversation about

[6:20:51] affordable housing is incredibly

[6:20:52] important, right, but for every

[6:20:55] one of those big homes that are

[6:20:56] built that is you know, land

[6:20:58] that is taken up not, you

[6:21:02] know -- anyway, we get, give up

[6:21:03] density and density is really

[6:21:05] important, right? So I am

[6:21:06] 100 percent of what you are

[6:21:10] doing, and, you know, but I

[6:21:11] think that in john counsel and

[6:21:13] myself, you have got -- I think

[6:21:15] you have a commitment that will

[6:21:18] continue to resist this anyone

[6:21:20] byism which just makes your job

[6:21:22] harder quj and really makes it

[6:21:24] more difficult to be poor in san

[6:21:26] antonio, and being poor is hard

[6:21:27] enough, right?

[6:21:29] So mayor, you have my support on

[6:21:30] this one too.

[6:21:31] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[6:21:32] councilmember pelaez.

[6:21:36] Councilmember courage.

[6:21:38] >> Courage: we share a lot of

[6:21:40] those at that thoughts in

[6:21:43] common, COUNCILMAN.

[6:21:45] You know, affordable housing is

[6:21:47] such a huge issue you know, and

[6:21:49] having served on the san antonio

[6:21:52] housing trust and on the culture

[6:21:55] and neighborhood services

[6:21:56] committees have really gotten

[6:21:58] more and more insight on this.

[6:21:59] I want to address a couple of

[6:22:00] things that came out in this

[6:22:03] report right away.

[6:22:07] You listed [Indiscernible] Hud,

[6:22:11] 74,000 in our area, and then the

[6:22:13] 80 percent of that, which is

[6:22:14] commonly referred to as the

[6:22:17] beginning of affordability in

[6:22:18] the development of either

[6:22:20] individual homes or apartments

[6:22:24] is like 59,000 [Indiscernible]

[6:22:26] Annual income for a family of

[6:22:26] four.

[6:22:28] have we been able to determine

[6:22:30] glat annual income for a family

[6:22:31] of four is within the city of

[6:22:33] san antonio?

[6:22:36] >> great question.

[6:22:38] That is part of the conversation

[6:22:41] that our housing commission has

[6:22:43] been having and that our

[6:22:45] strategy housing implementation

[6:22:47] plan participants are having.

[6:22:48] So again I was very careful to

[6:22:50] mention this is a practitioner

[6:22:52] definition but we want to make

[6:22:54] sure that when we talk about

[6:22:55] housing affordability it is

[6:22:57] tailored to san antonio.

[6:22:57] >>

[6:22:58] antonio.

[6:22:59] >> Courage:.

[6:23:01] >> so part of our recalibration

[6:23:02] does exactly that.

[6:23:06] We figure out.. The hud ami is

[6:23:08] set for our metropolitan

[6:23:09] statistical area which is much

[6:23:11] larger than the city limits.

[6:23:13] And there is a difference

[6:23:15] between the average within the

[6:23:19] city limits versus that larger

[6:23:19] msa.

[6:23:22] And so our ship, our strategic

[6:23:25] housing implementation plan is

[6:23:27] carefully making sure of the --

[6:23:28] that the definition fits our

[6:23:31] city limits residents.

[6:23:32] >> Courage: good but can we

[6:23:35] use that to work with developers

[6:23:38] and builders who base their

[6:23:40] financial requirements using

[6:23:42] federal money or to a great

[6:23:44] extent even private money, they

[6:23:47] base it on the hud ami, which

[6:23:49] creates a real division between

[6:23:51] what is affordable in the minds

[6:23:52] of hud and those developers and

[6:23:54] what is affordable in the minds

[6:23:56] of the average citizen in san

[6:23:56] antonio.

[6:23:58] And to the city council.

[6:23:58] >> and

[6:24:00] and so the answer to that ask

[6:24:00] yes.

[6:24:02] Obviously, we still want to use

[6:24:04] the same measuring stick, which

[6:24:06] is the hud ami, so someone

[6:24:09] doesn't have to recreate a whole

[6:24:11] pro forma, but we have to say in

[6:24:12] the conversation -- and the

[6:24:13] conversation has been if we use

[6:24:16] the hud ami in san antonio

[6:24:18] affordable is really 60 percent

[6:24:18] ami.

[6:24:19] >> Courage: right.

[6:24:21] >> so even though the national

[6:24:23] definition is 80 percent ami

[6:24:24] what we should look in san

[6:24:26] antonio in tracking more

[6:24:29] carefully is homes, rental units

[6:24:31] that are affordable for san

[6:24:33] antonians which means 60 percent

[6:24:35] ami or below.

[6:24:36] >> Courage: right.

[6:24:38] I am glad to hear you say

[6:24:39] that.Ed one thing on the figures

[6:24:41] you had for the trial budget up

[6:24:44] there, am I right in assuming

[6:24:46] that the risk mitigation,

[6:24:49] decline of $10 million is going

[6:24:53] to be covered by ehab and the

[6:24:54] money we have there?

[6:24:56] Will that cover most of what

[6:24:57] that 10 million might have

[6:24:57] covered?

[6:24:58] >> yes.

[6:25:01] So we can go back to that slide.

[6:25:02] >> Courage: it was number

[6:25:02] seven, I think, yes.

[6:25:03] >> there it is.

[6:25:06] So last year, having -- the

[6:25:08] career before and last year we,

[6:25:10] just like we redeployed staff to

[6:25:13] help us with response, we had to

[6:25:16] redeploy funds, and so there is

[6:25:19] some owner occupied units that

[6:25:20] we didn't build because the

[6:25:22] money was used for ehab.

[6:25:24] There is some, I mentioned down

[6:25:24] payment assistance.

[6:25:27] So we didn't do as much first

[6:25:28] time home buyer assistance

[6:25:31] because that money was difficult

[6:25:32] varietied.

[6:25:33] Diverted so that's where that

[6:25:34] money came from.. But again we

[6:25:37] want to get back to the services

[6:25:38] and the needs that were

[6:25:40] identified before, that

[6:25:41] continued to be a need so that

[6:25:43] means butting the money back to

[6:25:46] owner occupied rehab, to minor

[6:25:47] repair, to down payment

[6:25:49] assistance, but we do have that

[6:25:51] federal money that city

[6:25:52] city council

[6:25:53] approved last week that will

[6:25:55] carry us through the next fiscal

[6:25:55] year.

[6:25:56] >> Courage: so even

[6:25:57] though 10,000 is showing as a

[6:25:59] negative, we have rebuilt that

[6:26:01] into other aspects of it, right?

[6:26:03] >> and I want to add with the

[6:26:05] ehab we have about $60 million

[6:26:06] left in our budget.

[6:26:08] That will get us through

[6:26:09] DECEMBER and then as we are

[6:26:11] ramping up our benefit

[6:26:12] navigators you know, we will be

[6:26:14] pushing on work force

[6:26:16] development and knows scenes to

[6:26:17] linked benefits so that will

[6:26:18] help with the transition.

[6:26:19] >> Courage: right.

[6:26:21] Now on a rehab and preservation

[6:26:26] up there, it shows about

[6:26:27] $50 million in this next year we

[6:26:30] are projecting to spend in that

[6:26:31] area.

[6:26:34] When we do owner rehab or we do

[6:26:38] minor repair, or we go a roof,

[6:26:42] do we ever ask the property

[6:26:43] recipients to pay back anything

[6:26:44] to the city?

[6:26:46] >> so for these programs, for

[6:26:48] the under one roof it is a grant

[6:26:50] so there is no repayment.

[6:26:53] For the owner occupied and minor

[6:26:57] reair, it is a forgivable loan

[6:26:59] that is amortized over time.

[6:27:00] So for example if we do

[6:27:03] someone's house we put a

[6:27:06] covenant or a deed restriction

[6:27:08] for 15 years, and we say, if you

[6:27:11] sell your house, you have to

[6:27:12] repay what we invested.

[6:27:16] But if they stay in the home

[6:27:17] that 15 years you know, whatever

[6:27:19] we put into the house gets for

[6:27:21] given over time.

[6:27:22] And so only if they sell do they

[6:27:25] have do pay back, so if the

[6:27:27] housing is no longer who the

[6:27:28] client was.

[6:27:29] Otherwise, it is for given over

[6:27:30] time.

[6:27:32] But again this program, these

[6:27:33] programs, all of these programs

[6:27:34] are about trying to keep can

[6:27:36] families in their house.

[6:27:37] Doesn't always happen.

[6:27:41] We have families who do sell the

[6:27:43] house, and so that is when we

[6:27:44] get the money but the money is

[6:27:45] utilized for same are

[6:27:47] programs as --

[6:27:49] when there is a repayment.

[6:27:50] >> Courage: I will ask for one

[6:27:52] thing, mayor, if you will let

[6:27:52] me.

[6:27:53] Have we been able to determine

[6:27:57] what the impact is on the

[6:27:59] neighboring communities when

[6:28:01] these properties are upgraded

[6:28:03] and their values go up and how

[6:28:07] does it affect the neighboring

[6:28:07] properties?

[6:28:07] Have question looked at that?

[6:28:09] >> we did a little bit of that

[6:28:11] with the finance department,

[6:28:12] right before the pandemic.

[6:28:14] We will have to -- it has been a

[6:28:15] while since we visited those

[6:28:17] numbers but we saw -- question

[6:28:19] looked at evaluation --

[6:28:20] valuations for example so I will

[6:28:22] have to go back and look at

[6:28:23] those numbers and see if we did

[6:28:25] it beyond the house to see if we

[6:28:28] did like the block, be new is a

[6:28:29] good investment.

[6:28:31] It is keeping families in their

[6:28:33] house, many of them have had

[6:28:34] that house for a long time.

[6:28:37] It is cheaper to rehab than to

[6:28:41] build a new unit, I mean, if we

[6:28:42] invest $90,000 in a house, when

[6:28:43] you build a new house you are

[6:28:45] spending two or three times

[6:28:45] that.

[6:28:47] And it is also keeping families

[6:28:49] with the same social services,

[6:28:51] the network, you know, the kid

[6:28:53] across the street who checks in

[6:28:56] on an elderly senior citizen,

[6:28:59] the tia around the coroner who

[6:29:00] can bay sit when they heed it so

[6:29:01] it is about that social fabric

[6:29:02] as well.

[6:29:03] It is the church that they have

[6:29:05] been going to for a long time or

[6:29:07] the grocery store that is a

[6:29:10] short drive or a bus line away

[6:29:12] from what they know as well.

[6:29:13] So there is -- those be he was

[6:29:15] and I am not sure I have to put

[6:29:18] a price on it, but there is a

[6:29:25] price as well -- [Indiscernible]

[6:29:26] Water infrastructure lines as

[6:29:27] swoll there is a savings as well

[6:29:29] when it comes to that.

[6:29:30] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[6:29:30] councilmember.

[6:29:30] >> Courage:.

[6:29:32] The councilmember perry.

[6:29:34] >> Perry: okay.

[6:29:35] Thank you for the information.

[6:29:39] Let's just stay on that slide.

[6:29:40] I see councilmember courage

[6:29:42] asked about the $10 million

[6:29:42] decrease.

[6:29:44] That's being covered by other

[6:29:47] funds so we are okay there.

[6:29:49] But we still have an overall

[6:29:51] increase of 800,000, close to a

[6:29:53] drilled across these other

[6:29:55] programs and who determined the

[6:29:57] amounts on each one, like the

[6:30:01] increase in the owner occupied

[6:30:03] rehab under one roof, the minor

[6:30:06] repair, the gap financing,?

[6:30:08] Who determined all of these

[6:30:09] increases here and what is that

[6:30:12] based on?

[6:30:18] >> so we had net 27 and a half

[6:30:20] million dollars, and you will

[6:30:22] have to check me, there were

[6:30:23] several million dollars that was

[6:30:26] one time in nature.

[6:30:27] The $28.3 million for the trial

[6:30:30] budget set aside an additional

[6:30:32] $5 million in resources

[6:30:36] potentially for affordable

[6:30:36] housing.

[6:30:38] What I heard last week was

[6:30:41] myself and the staff heard was

[6:30:44] that we has been -- rehab was a

[6:30:46] priority.. So if you will go

[6:30:49] back cash go forward one slide

[6:30:53] .. Our suggestion was -- one

[6:30:53] more.

[6:30:55] I am sorry.

[6:30:55] One more.

[6:30:57] Was that we put an additional

[6:30:59] $2 million in owner occupied.

[6:31:01] We put an additional 2 million

[6:31:02] in minor reair, which is a

[6:31:04] little less expensive than the

[6:31:07] owner rehab but still critical

[6:31:10] and that the balance is 400,000

[6:31:13] in relocation and $600,000

[6:31:14] towards that administration and

[6:31:17] navigation that lori talked

[6:31:17] about.

[6:31:18] The rest of that is included

[6:31:21] within our budget, within our

[6:31:22] base budget, and was at the

[6:31:31] recommendation of the department

[6:31:32] department.

[6:31:34] Let's go back to slide number 7.

[6:31:36] >> so we are looking at these

[6:31:37] and I deamounts that we are

[6:31:40] spending on rehabbing, the cost

[6:31:43] per square foot and all of that.

[6:31:44] I haven't gotten that

[6:31:44] information on that.

[6:31:46] I was kind of expecting a

[6:31:48] spreadsheet on how much we are

[6:31:50] spending versus what it would be

[6:31:53] to build new and then I asked

[6:31:54] the question and I think we got

[6:31:56] answer that one ask a grant and

[6:32:00] the other is a forgivable loan,

[6:32:02] so basically there is no skin in

[6:32:05] the game by any of the owners of

[6:32:08] these house that are being

[6:32:08] rehabbed.

[6:32:09] >> that is correct.

[6:32:11] That is structured as a grant,

[6:32:13] but they do have to live in the

[6:32:14] home for a certain amount of

[6:32:15] time and they can't sell that

[6:32:17] home for that time period.

[6:32:18] >> Perry: okay.

[6:32:19] And how many homes are we

[6:32:20] talking about?

[6:32:23] How many under one roof, how

[6:32:24] many owner occupied rehabs and

[6:32:26] how many minor repair -- how

[6:32:27] many houses are we talking about

[6:32:30] did we do in '21 and what is the

[6:32:31] projection for '22?

[6:32:37] >> so -- so or this fiscal year,

[6:32:41] our owner occupied number is 63

[6:32:41] units.

[6:32:45] We are projecting 83 with the

[6:32:48] additional funding.

[6:32:51] For minor repair -- let me look

[6:32:54] at my notes.

[6:32:59] For next year, it is 164, with

[6:33:00] the -- with the additional

[6:33:02] funding that we have.

[6:33:04] I do have a chart that I can

[6:33:07] share with all of the councilors

[6:33:08] showing funding this year, total

[6:33:11] units this year, funding

[6:33:12] proposed for next year and total

[6:33:13] units next year.

[6:33:16] We did -- there it is.

[6:33:17] That are include heard this is a

[6:33:19] backup slide but for every

[6:33:20] program we have that as well.

[6:33:23] And remember, our budget for

[6:33:25] affordable housing is not just

[6:33:26] general fund but we also utilize

[6:33:28] the federal grant programs, so

[6:33:32] we use hud, cbdg block grants

[6:33:35] and the home program and you

[6:33:39] will see the hud budgets at your

[6:33:41] AUGUST meeting.

[6:33:42] That's a little -- so the rest

[6:33:44] of the city budget, but we have

[6:33:46] to bring that forward in AUGUST

[6:33:47] because we need to submit it to

[6:33:49] hud in AUGUST a, and that's a

[6:33:50] lot of funding for

[6:33:52] for some of these

[6:33:54] affordable housing programs as

[6:33:55] well.

[6:33:56] >> Perry: so [Indiscernible]

[6:33:58] Six and 7 that is only general

[6:34:00] fund, right?

[6:34:02] >> page 7, slide 7?

[6:34:04] We are only talking general

[6:34:05] funds here?

[6:34:06] >> no.

[6:34:08] It has a combination of some

[6:34:08] federal money.

[6:34:09] >> Perry: okay.

[6:34:10] Yes.

[6:34:10] >> trial budget.

[6:34:11] >> Perry: I

[6:34:13] I would really like

[6:34:14] to see that we are talking

[6:34:15] about, general funds on this

[6:34:16] slide.

[6:34:19] I understand 0 federal funds,

[6:34:20] outside funding coming in, but

[6:34:22] what is impacting our general

[6:34:23] fund budget here?

[6:34:26] What is the bottom line, the

[6:34:27] total?

[6:34:31] >> let me see if I have that as

[6:34:34] well.

[6:34:37] >> COUNCILMAN, I am zachry cone,

[6:34:39] assistant general manager..

[6:34:41] 9.6 million, the remainder is

[6:34:43] coming from our -- home

[6:34:43] allocations.

[6:34:45] >> Perry: is that going up

[6:34:48] more than 9.6 for the '22 trial

[6:34:48] budget.

[6:34:50] We assume that allocation will

[6:34:51] be flat between --

[6:34:52] >> Perry: okay.

[6:34:53] That's what I wanted to hear, if

[6:34:55] there was any increases in the

[6:34:58] general fund.

[6:34:59] Okay.

[6:34:59] Mayor

[6:35:02] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[6:35:04] councilmember perry.

[6:35:04] councilmember bra.

[6:35:07] >> Bravo: thanks, and again I

[6:35:08] am flying a little blind because

[6:35:09] we haven't had our briefing yet,

[6:35:10] our initial briefing but I

[6:35:16] wanted to ask I was looking at

[6:35:19] the.. Down payment assistances,

[6:35:21] one I am glad we are increasing

[6:35:22] that amount.

[6:35:24] 2, I am curious, are we doing

[6:35:25] stuff beyond down payments? Are

[6:35:28] we doing things to help educate

[6:35:30] people about the benefits of

[6:35:33] purchasing a home and you know,

[6:35:35] I just think about how again

[6:35:37] that we are a city of haves and

[6:35:39] have notes and we want to be

[6:35:40] able to address poverty

[6:35:43] long-term and how homeowner ship

[6:35:44] contributes to generational

[6:35:46] wealth but I am just curious

[6:35:51] what else are we doing besides,

[6:35:53] within -- what are we doing to

[6:35:55] promote home sphwhieg what are

[6:35:57] we doing beyond down payment

[6:35:57] assistance?

[6:35:58] >> so one of the requirements

[6:36:01] and this is a first time home

[6:36:01] buyer program.

[6:36:02] >> Bravo: right.

[6:36:06] >> so one of the requirement it

[6:36:06] is that families applying for

[6:36:09] that, they do have

[6:36:10] [Indiscernible] Education

[6:36:11] classes, so there is a set

[6:36:12] amount of hours 0.

[6:36:13] It is hud required, that they

[6:36:15] have to take.

[6:36:18] And it is everything from how to

[6:36:21] budget, credit counseling to

[6:36:21] what

[6:36:23] what are the kind of things they

[6:36:24] need to be prepared or when they

[6:36:26] become a homeowner if they

[6:36:27] haven't been a homeowner.

[6:36:29] So making sure to budget for the

[6:36:31] maintenance you need for a home.

[6:36:33] >> Bravo: are we waiting for

[6:36:34] people to come to apply or going

[6:36:35] out and encouraging this?

[6:36:36] >> no.

[6:36:38] So part of what we do is we host

[6:36:40] all of these every month we have

[6:36:43] english and spanish the home

[6:36:44] buyer education classes and we

[6:36:46] have a lot of partners who help

[6:36:47] us with that.

[6:36:51] Besides banks, because in order

[6:36:51] to qualify you still need to

[6:36:52] qualify for [Indiscernible] So

[6:36:55] all of the the only institutions

[6:36:56] are part hers with us.

[6:36:58] They also host home buyer

[6:37:00] education classes.

[6:37:01] We partner with the realtors as

[6:37:03] well who bring us clients and

[6:37:05] who ensure client go through

[6:37:07] this home buyer education.

[6:37:09] One of the things we started

[6:37:11] doing is a post home buyer, post

[6:37:13] rehab education class as well.

[6:37:16] That not put on hold because of

[6:37:21] the pandemic, but a

[6:37:22] [Indiscernible] 0 if you a

[6:37:23] renter and here are the things

[6:37:25] you need do and some basics so

[6:37:27] folks can do that and maintain

[6:37:29] their new house or maintain tear

[6:37:30] rehabbed house so we are going

[6:37:32] to pick that back up, but we are

[6:37:35] actively promoting the program,

[6:37:36] advertising, working with some

[6:37:38] nonprofits that do there.

[6:37:40] There is at least two community

[6:37:40] housing development

[6:37:43] organizations who also promote

[6:37:44] the program.

[6:37:46] It also starts with financial

[6:37:48] counseling services that are the

[6:37:51] department of human services,

[6:37:52] where they start helping people

[6:37:54] just [Indiscernible] So that

[6:37:55] eventually they become a

[6:37:55] homeowner.

[6:37:57] Sometimes we end up referring

[6:37:59] client for the home buyer

[6:38:01] education class to the financial

[6:38:03] counseling program, because they

[6:38:04] realize, I need work on my

[6:38:06] credit first, that doesn't

[6:38:08] happen in a short time.

[6:38:08] It might take a year.

[6:38:15] And so we refer them dhs for

[6:38:16] credit so they can work on the

[6:38:17] credit issues that will help

[6:38:18] them qualify for that mortgage.

[6:38:19] So it is a combination and we

[6:38:21] are not only ones promoting

[6:38:21] this.

[6:38:22] >> Bravo: thanks.

[6:38:24] So while I am glad we are

[6:38:25] increasing that budget, you

[6:38:28] know, I am locking at increasing

[6:38:33] it from 450,000 to 4.3 million.

[6:38:35] The total budget for trial

[6:38:37] budget is -- so this home buyer

[6:38:39] assistance is representing less

[6:38:41] than five percent of that budget

[6:38:44] there that 28.3 million and just

[6:38:46] wondering, to what extent -- and

[6:38:48] this seems like a long-term fix,

[6:38:50] and then I am just wondering,

[6:38:52] are some of these other things

[6:38:53] short-term fixes?

[6:38:56] And I am also wondering, how how

[6:39:00] much in the last year did we

[6:39:05] provide in tax breaks to

[6:39:08] developers for building out

[6:39:08] affordable housing?

[6:39:11] And so like how does that -- you

[6:39:12] know, how much are we giving in

[6:39:13] tax breaks for affordable

[6:39:15] housing versus how much are we

[6:39:17] helping people to become

[6:39:18] homeowners and build

[6:39:21] generational wealth?

[6:39:22] >> I don't have that number in

[6:39:24] front of me, but when we sit

[6:39:26] down and talk about housing

[6:39:27] services and initiatives we will

[6:39:28] have that for you.

[6:39:29] >> Bravo: thanks.

[6:39:30] I appreciate that.

[6:39:32] And, yes, that is something

[6:39:33] something I am interested in

[6:39:34] general.

[6:39:36] It is like -- I just don't know

[6:39:38] enough about this to know how

[6:39:40] much of this is a short-term

[6:39:42] figures versus long-term and i

[6:39:43] am really interested in having

[6:39:43] that conversation.

[6:39:45] Thanks a lot.

[6:39:47] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[6:39:49] councilmember bravo.

[6:39:50] Councilmember viagran.

[6:39:51] >> Viagran: thank you, thank

[6:39:53] you for that presentation.

[6:39:56] That was a very interesting.

[6:39:58] The I am totally for the rehab

[6:39:59] and preservation.

[6:40:02] That shotgun home, I know that

[6:40:04] family, so it is -- I know it is

[6:40:05] a generational home.

[6:40:08] I know she took care of nieces

[6:40:11] and grandparents and so there is

[6:40:14] -- there is such a

[6:40:15] transformation in the program

[6:40:17] that it is doing.

[6:40:18] I think what might help is, if

[6:40:22] we are able to collect that data

[6:40:23] about if they are living with

[6:40:24] disability as, if they are

[6:40:26] living with children with

[6:40:28] disabilities, that over 60,

[6:40:29] because these are

[6:40:30] multigenerational homes that we

[6:40:32] are going in.

[6:40:34] We are changing their lives and

[6:40:37] helping them stay in their

[6:40:37] homes.

[6:40:38] And the one thing did want to

[6:40:40] stress is, sometimes we have to

[6:40:42] do the rehab and preservation

[6:40:45] because a seen record can't move

[6:40:47] out of a home and move into a

[6:40:48] senior living center because

[6:40:49] they are taking care of grand

[6:40:50] children and other members of

[6:40:51] their family, so that's why it

[6:40:54] is so important.

[6:40:57] So in terms of the fixes, I know

[6:41:00] whatever we are doing is making

[6:41:02] an impact, and the one question

[6:41:09] I have in terms of the title

[6:41:10] clearance.

[6:41:13] >> the legacy, is this primarily

[6:41:15] for those having probate issues?

[6:41:18] >> it is a combination.

[6:41:19] So some of it is probate issues.

[6:41:23] some of it is -- they inherited

[6:41:24] the house and it is still not in

[6:41:27] their name or sometimes the

[6:41:31] heirs are multiple heirs and so

[6:41:32] getting eight or ten people to

[6:41:36] sign off on one of our

[6:41:37] documents, for example for owner

[6:41:41] occupied rehab can be a

[6:41:41] challenge so it is addressing

[6:41:42] those kind of issues.

[6:41:45] Somewhere, you know, someone who

[6:41:48] has a construction deed on their

[6:41:50] house and it could be as small

[6:41:53] small as $250 but it is

[6:41:54] something in the court that

[6:41:55] needs to be cleared up.

[6:41:56] Some are a little bit more

[6:41:58] expensive but it could be simple

[6:42:00] things like that that allow them

[6:42:01] to participate in the program.

[6:42:02] So a combination.

[6:42:03] >> Viagran: okay.

[6:42:06] Then as we look in -- the

[6:42:08] priority for affordable housing,

[6:42:11] is that if we look at -- if we

[6:42:13] collect some data gone ages of

[6:42:18] the homes and the amount, it

[6:42:21] would cost to get them upgraded

[6:42:23] for those living with

[6:42:27] disabilities, because it is one

[6:42:27] of those things that, in

[6:42:27] district 3, in particular we

[6:42:29] have a lot of seniors who want

[6:42:31] to live out their days in their

[6:42:34] homes, but that MAY mean a whole

[6:42:35] bathroom reconstruction and how

[6:42:37] do they pay for that?

[6:42:39] There are the other as -- the

[6:42:41] other aspect I would like to see

[6:42:46] is, are we taking into account

[6:42:48] that affordable apartment

[6:42:51] housing in the areas and mobile

[6:42:53] home park in the areas and when

[6:42:55] that -- is there any way we can

[6:42:58] monitor when it gets to an

[6:42:59] occupation level that is a kind

[6:43:03] of lower than -- I guess

[6:43:04] 50 percent?

[6:43:05] Are we keeping track?

[6:43:06] Is anybody keeping track of

[6:43:06] that?

[6:43:09] >> is that just for mobile home

[6:43:10] park --

[6:43:12] >> mobile home or apartments,

[6:43:13] because I know district 2, I

[6:43:15] think it was during

[6:43:16] christmastime during the

[6:43:19] pandemic they had one apartment

[6:43:22] complex sell, but the residents

[6:43:23] knew it was coming because they

[6:43:26] weren't leasing out 0 any of the

[6:43:29] other units, and I know there

[6:43:31] are mobile home park areas in my

[6:43:33] district where they threat at

[6:43:36] that lot of lots go unoccupied.

[6:43:38] >> so we hear about that.

[6:43:40] We don't actively track it and

[6:43:42] we don't track occupancy, per

[6:43:44] se, unless it is something that

[6:43:47] we provides a subsidy to.

[6:43:49] So if it got home funding, it is

[6:43:51] one of the things we ask when we

[6:43:54] do our annual visits, what the

[6:43:55] occupancy levels are.

[6:43:57] But if they didn't receive

[6:43:59] subsidies we don't track it.

[6:44:01] We don't have a contractual

[6:44:01] relationship.

[6:44:04] But we do hear through our fair

[6:44:06] housing counselors and housing

[6:44:07] navigation services, when there

[6:44:09] are things like that in the

[6:44:10] community or the advocates will

[6:44:12] call us and let us know.

[6:44:15] We deploy immediately our

[6:44:17] relocation team to go on

[6:44:17] on-site

[6:44:21] and to help with relocation

[6:44:22] assistance, with counseling.

[6:44:24] We did that in district 2 with a

[6:44:26] couple of properties that are in

[6:44:28] the process of being sold that

[6:44:29] are there to assist families.

[6:44:30] And so even though we don't

[6:44:33] track it, we hear about it, and

[6:44:35] then we have a fast redeployment

[6:44:38] of our team to provide services

[6:44:40] for families that MAY need it.

[6:44:41] When it comes to mobile home

[6:44:45] park communities, our

[6:44:47] anti-displacement

[6:44:48] [Indiscernible] One of the

[6:44:50] specific categories called out

[6:44:52] and so there is a lot more in

[6:44:53] that document as well.

[6:44:53] >> Viagran: okay.

[6:44:54] Thank you.

[6:44:55] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[6:44:58] councilmember viagran.

[6:44:59] Councilmember cabello havrda

[6:45:02] councilmember councilmember

[6:45:02] cass.

[6:45:04] >> thank you, the conversation

[6:45:04] about.

[6:45:05] >> Castillo: this makes me

[6:45:07] think a lot about the

[6:45:09] conversation we had yesterday

[6:45:10] with cps.

[6:45:11] We need acknowledge we are in

[6:45:17] the midst of various crises,

[6:45:19] economic, ecological all coupled

[6:45:21] with covid-19.

[6:45:22] San antonio has the duty to lead

[6:45:24] in the nation by decarbonizing

[6:45:26] and retrofitting our existing

[6:45:28] affordable housing stock.

[6:45:30] And, you know, again.. We

[6:45:32] conduct surveys and studies, we

[6:45:34] commission these studies like

[6:45:35] the for everyone home that offer

[6:45:36] great policy recommendations and

[6:45:37] need to be sure we follow

[6:45:39] through with those policy

[6:45:40] recommendations.

[6:45:42] One of them of which is the

[6:45:43] under one roof program, minor

[6:45:44] rehab program and several

[6:45:46] others, so not only are we

[6:45:48] addressing and maintaining that

[6:45:49] existing affordable housing

[6:45:52] stock because as beto mentioned

[6:45:54] once you demolish the affordable

[6:45:55] housing that is gone forever.

[6:45:57] So we need to ensure we are

[6:45:58] minimizing community

[6:46:00] displacement by preserving that

[6:46:01] existing affordable housing

[6:46:01] stock.

[6:46:02] And with that being said we need

[6:46:06] to be sure that we restore the

[6:46:09] under one are the program to

[6:46:10] ensure funding we are meeting

[6:46:13] those numbers we are meetings in

[6:46:14] 2019, 2018.

[6:46:16] The so my question is, does

[6:46:18] council have the ability to

[6:46:21] allocate more tirz or pfc

[6:46:24] dollars through owner occupied

[6:46:24] rehab?

[6:46:25] >> yes, ma'am.

[6:46:26] Yes, ma'am.

[6:46:28] That is definitely a source that

[6:46:30] we could look at during the

[6:46:37] summer, yes.

[6:46:40] >> Castillo: and my next

[6:46:44] question, it is, I want to --

[6:46:46] showed up to the sacred heart

[6:46:48] church and helped them complete

[6:46:49] the application for the

[6:46:50] emergency assistance program and

[6:46:52] she was there for hours.

[6:46:53] We had applicants coming in and

[6:46:55] just nonstop and she was there

[6:46:57] helping us make sure that folks

[6:46:58] -- I wanted to thank you for

[6:46:59] that.

[6:47:00] In addition to that, I think it

[6:47:03] is important that we continue to

[6:47:05] fund the right to counsel

[6:47:05] program.

[6:47:07] I believe someone asked why the

[6:47:09] funding was decreased, that is

[6:47:10] because of the kiosk purchase;

[6:47:14] is that correct?

[6:47:15] All right.

[6:47:19] Thank you.

[6:47:22] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[6:47:26] councilmember castillo.

[6:47:28] Councilmember rodriguez.

[6:47:30] >> MR. Rodriguez: I would like

[6:47:33] to echo to sentiments of

[6:47:33] councilmember cabello havrda

[6:47:34] city owe.

[6:47:35] I know perry would not like to

[6:47:37] see this but I would like to see

[6:47:39] an guidelines the owner occupied

[6:47:41] funding as well as the under one

[6:47:42] roof program, I would like to

[6:47:44] see that funded to pre-pandemic

[6:47:45] levels as well which I believe

[6:47:48] was at 2.5 million.

[6:47:50] I also would like to request..

[6:47:51] Thinking specifically about the

[6:47:56] hotel we just approved the lease

[6:47:58] for o I would like to request

[6:47:59] additional funding for on-site

[6:48:01] kennel services and I want to

[6:48:03] stress the importance of that,

[6:48:06] because these animals, they are

[6:48:07] -- these people's babies and

[6:48:09] tear family and sometimes their

[6:48:14] connection to humanity, and to

[6:48:16] dignity, and it is one of the

[6:48:18] largest barriers that exist to

[6:48:19] entry and I think any barrier at

[6:48:23] all is unacceptable.

[6:48:24] And there is a homeless

[6:48:28] encampment under the I-37, and

[6:48:30] you could point to the hotel

[6:48:32] from there and so any barrier to

[6:48:33] people there getting access to

[6:48:36] that hotel I think is

[6:48:36] unacceptable.

[6:48:38] But I would like to reiterate my

[6:48:41] request for additional funding

[6:48:42] there.

[6:48:47] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[6:48:47] councilmember.

[6:48:52] >> McKee-Rodriguez:.

[6:48:53] Councilmember sandoval.

[6:48:54] >> Sandoval:, thank you,

[6:48:55] mayor.

[6:48:55] Way tonight explore the

[6:48:58] possibility of tirz funding for

[6:49:00] these programs that help people

[6:49:01] stay in their house.

[6:49:03] I know foul all tirz are

[6:49:04] creating equal so I think we

[6:49:05] probably would want to be a

[6:49:07] little bit careful and look at

[6:49:09] where some of the housing costs

[6:49:12] .. Have sky rocked more because

[6:49:15] of this -- the developments.

[6:49:16] That will be a bit of an art.

[6:49:20] I also support expanding the

[6:49:23] funding for the owner occupied

[6:49:25] rehab, but I also would like to

[6:49:29] see us before -- before we begin

[6:49:31] ensuring that large developers

[6:49:33] that are affordable stay

[6:49:34] affordable, I think question

[6:49:35] also need to look at the ones

[6:49:37] occupied -- I am sorry, operated

[6:49:40] by mom and pops and our local

[6:49:40] residents.

[6:49:42] For them, having the additional

[6:49:44] property that they rent out

[6:49:46] helps them stay in their home

[6:49:48] and helps them offset their

[6:49:50] property tax payments.

[6:49:52] So whether it is a four-plex or

[6:49:56] a three plex or a ten plex, I do

[6:49:57] think it is important to look

[6:49:58] into that.

[6:49:59] Are there any mechanisms that we

[6:50:00] have available to do something

[6:50:07] like that?

[6:50:10] >> so the housing

[6:50:12] [Indiscernible] Part of the

[6:50:14] charge of that group would be to

[6:50:16] track what is naturally

[6:50:17] occurring affordable housing.

[6:50:19] And it wouldn't matter if it was

[6:50:21] large development or a smaller

[6:50:22] one, and it would be more

[6:50:25] proactive about those small mom

[6:50:27] and pop communities.

[6:50:29] And so right now, our

[6:50:30] partnership, we are working very

[6:50:32] closely on both the -- there is

[6:50:35] a property management

[6:50:36] association, the san antonio

[6:50:37] apartment so association to make

[6:50:40] sure we reach out to those

[6:50:42] local, smaller owners, and look

[6:50:44] at the smaller units as well.

[6:50:46] So they have access to the funds

[6:50:49] as well to make sure that they

[6:50:52] can rehab their units, those

[6:50:53] rents can remain affordable as

[6:50:55] well in the future.

[6:50:57] >> I apologize if I missed this.

[6:50:59] What is funding level for that

[6:50:59] program?

[6:51:01] >> that would be -- that is part

[6:51:03] of the gap financing.

[6:51:05] We are going make sure that we

[6:51:08] set aside funding for

[6:51:10] preservation so that when we do

[6:51:12] the rsqs, rfps for those, that

[6:51:15] we have a set-aside specific to

[6:51:18] preservation of units, and it

[6:51:20] doesn't all go to new

[6:51:21] development, per se, so it is

[6:51:23] going to be the gap funding.

[6:51:24] >> I think we should set a

[6:51:26] target as a council for that.

[6:51:29] Last -- a few months ago we went

[6:51:30] through an exercise of where we

[6:51:32] are awarding some gap financing

[6:51:33] and my understanding was that

[6:51:38] there were not any bids for

[6:51:41] rehab, and -- which I think

[6:51:43] really is -- ask maybe not a

[6:51:45] lack of interest but maybe

[6:51:47] barriers to entry to the program

[6:51:48] or maybe barriers in learning

[6:51:49] about the program, because there

[6:51:52] is who doubt that there is a

[6:51:54] need, so I would really, the I

[6:51:57] would like for us to set a

[6:51:58] target for that minimum amount.

[6:51:59] >> we will make sure as we

[6:52:02] develop the rfps we do set those

[6:52:02] targets.

[6:52:06] >> thank you very much.

[6:52:08] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[6:52:09] councilmember sandoval.

[6:52:09] Councilmember perry.

[6:52:10] >> Perry: thank you.

[6:52:11] I just have a couple of quick

[6:52:16] additional questions and my

[6:52:18] colleague -- yeah, I got a

[6:52:20] problem with increasing these.

[6:52:23] And I guess what I am getting at

[6:52:26] is, if anybody has gotten the

[6:52:29] universe or an estimate of the

[6:52:30] total number of houses which

[6:52:31] would be eligible for these

[6:52:31] programs?

[6:52:33] I mean are we talking about 100?

[6:52:35] 1,000?

[6:52:36] 10,000?

[6:52:38] 100,000 homes?

[6:52:41] What is -- I am looking at the

[6:52:43] universe of requirements.

[6:52:45] >> we don't have that, because

[6:52:47] there are so many other factors

[6:52:49] that play into this, whether or

[6:52:51] not they qualify, through their

[6:52:52] income, whether or not they

[6:52:52] qualify because they

[6:52:54] they are a

[6:52:55] veteran.

[6:52:56] And whether or not their home

[6:52:59] needs this type of assistance.

[6:53:00] So we don't have that

[6:53:00] information.

[6:53:03] We do have an applicant pool,

[6:53:05] and so we can get you how many

[6:53:08] applicants we receive annually,

[6:53:09] and that could be a starting

[6:53:09] point.

[6:53:10] >> Perry: yes.

[6:53:11] That would be a starting point

[6:53:12] but I think at some point in

[6:53:15] time, we have -- I mean, it

[6:53:17] looks like this is going to be

[6:53:18] another program that keeps

[6:53:21] growing and growing and growing

[6:53:25] year after year and I think we

[6:53:26] need though what the

[6:53:26] requirements are for this.

[6:53:30] I mean, are we spinning our

[6:53:32] wheels or are we going to up the

[6:53:34] amounts to really take care of

[6:53:38] what everybody wants, preserving

[6:53:42] the housing stock?

[6:53:45] But, you know, yeah, I don't

[6:53:46] think we have a good handle on

[6:53:48] what the requirement is in order

[6:53:50] to see, are we ever going to be

[6:53:53] able to afford this.

[6:53:57] And these people pay taxes as

[6:53:59] well, and that whole issue that

[6:54:00] comes in.

[6:54:02] And then you said you have an

[6:54:04] application process.

[6:54:05] Who actually picks the winners

[6:54:08] and losers of getting this money

[6:54:09] money?

[6:54:10] >> there are not winners and

[6:54:12] losers, it is first come, first

[6:54:13] serve, they submit the

[6:54:13] application.

[6:54:14] >> Perry: if there are a

[6:54:16] number of applications snrb is

[6:54:17] going to -- I look at it, win

[6:54:19] and somebody is going to lose by

[6:54:20] getting their house done.

[6:54:22] >> it is administered by housing

[6:54:23] and neighborhood services.

[6:54:23] >> Perry: okay.

[6:54:24] All right.

[6:54:26] That's what I want to make sure

[6:54:26] of.

[6:54:27] The okay.

[6:54:27] Great.

[6:54:28] That's all my comments, thanks.

[6:54:29] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[6:54:30] councilmember perry.

[6:54:33] Councilmember courage.

[6:54:34] >> Courage: this might

[6:54:36] reprinted -- I might remind my

[6:54:38] friend and colleague that

[6:54:39] everything grows.

[6:54:41] The city grows, houses and

[6:54:44] people come here every day,

[6:54:45] every year, so receiving going

[6:54:47] to continue to grow, nothing is

[6:54:50] going to shrink and go away.

[6:54:52] I do have a question about

[6:54:54] homeless, which I brought up at

[6:54:56] a previous meeting, because

[6:54:57] we -- you know, we want to keep

[6:54:58] people in a home.

[6:55:00] We don't want to have more

[6:55:01] homeless, and we are spending

[6:55:02] millions of dollars to help

[6:55:04] people stay in their homes.

[6:55:05] Or get a new home.

[6:55:07] But how much are we spending on

[6:55:07] homeless?

[6:55:09] I asked maria to kind of find

[6:55:11] out about this, because we have

[6:55:14] other agencies, we have our

[6:55:16] organization, you know, so I

[6:55:18] haven't gotten that answer yet.

[6:55:19] And I think that is part of what

[6:55:22] I think we would all like to

[6:55:24] know, and are there better ways

[6:55:25] of addressing homeless?

[6:55:28] For example, we are adding

[6:55:29] $2 million to the trial budget

[6:55:31] for additional funding for

[6:55:31] homeless.

[6:55:35] Well, maybe that $2 million comm

[6:55:36] into some of our affordable

[6:55:38] housing and be more effective

[6:55:40] when we look at what everyone

[6:55:41] else is doing with homeless.

[6:55:42] So do we have any response to

[6:55:43] that request I made other day or

[6:55:48] are we still researching?

[6:55:48] >>

[6:55:52] >> well, while that is coming

[6:55:55] up, COUNCILMAN, I will echo that

[6:55:57] was an issue that I think the

[6:55:59] council brought up on last

[6:56:01] wednesday and if the desire is

[6:56:02] maybe to spend more here or in

[6:56:04] another area, that certainly is

[6:56:05] an option.

[6:56:06] >>

[6:56:07] option.

[6:56:09] I would like to see us spend

[6:56:10] less on homeless and more in

[6:56:11] other areas if we have

[6:56:14] repetitive and redundant

[6:56:16] services done by a multiple

[6:56:18] number of organizations so, what

[6:56:19] do you know?

[6:56:22] >> so and to that answer that

[6:56:23] last question councilmember, as

[6:56:24] the great question.

[6:56:25] Do we have services that are

[6:56:28] being done by multiple agencies,

[6:56:30] but I wouldn't say they were

[6:56:32] redundant or repetitive.

[6:56:33] They are enough to cover the

[6:56:35] number of people, so we have

[6:56:37] multiple agencies that do rapid

[6:56:40] rehousing but we have multiple

[6:56:42] people that need rapid

[6:56:44] rehousing, and as far as your

[6:56:45] question about the total funding

[6:56:46] that is being spent in the

[6:56:48] community, we are still

[6:56:50] researching that, looking

[6:56:53] through federal, state, local

[6:56:55] sources, trying to also get an

[6:56:56] assessment on some of the

[6:56:57] private foundation dollars that

[6:56:59] are out there, and working with

[6:57:00] the budget department to make

[6:57:03] sure that our internal amounts

[6:57:04] are correct and updated.

[6:57:07] So we should have that for you

[6:57:10] probably in the next week to two

[6:57:10] weeks.

[6:57:11] >> Courage: good.

[6:57:12] I would say from what you just

[6:57:14] said there are multiple

[6:57:16] organizations doing rapid

[6:57:17] rehousing, then you know, they

[6:57:18] need to talk to themselves and

[6:57:21] we need to find one agency that

[6:57:23] can serve everybody and let

[6:57:24] those others do something else

[6:57:27] that is related to homeless or

[6:57:29] let's not be funding them.

[6:57:31] Let's put that money into some

[6:57:31] place else.

[6:57:32] So that's why I this

[6:57:33] I think it is

[6:57:34] important to hear more about

[6:57:35] that.

[6:57:36] And believe me, I am not trying

[6:57:38] to say we shouldn't be helping

[6:57:38] homeless people.

[6:57:41] But I think we need to know how

[6:57:41] much we are actually spending.

[6:57:44] >> and we will provide more

[6:57:46] information on that when we do

[6:57:47] our budget presentation.

[6:57:51] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you

[6:57:51] --

[6:57:53] >> I hope all of us are thinking

[6:57:54] about the issue that was voted

[6:57:56] on last NOVEMBER, proposition --

[6:57:59] excuse me, MAY, proposition a,

[6:58:01] which enables the city to go

[6:58:03] ahead and become more of a

[6:58:05] partner in housing development

[6:58:09] and I for one would like to see

[6:58:10] $50 million on our next bond

[6:58:15] issue dedicated to helping

[6:58:16] develop affordable housing and

[6:58:18] allowing the city to become a

[6:58:19] partner in that.

[6:58:21] Thank you.

[6:58:22] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[6:58:22] councilmember courage.

[6:58:23] And to close out the discussion

[6:58:25] I think it is a point

[6:58:27] well-taken, it is primarily the

[6:58:30] question that caused the mayor's

[6:58:32] housing policy task force, which

[6:58:34] is how do we ensure community

[6:58:35] where everyone can live

[6:58:36] affordability and with dignity

[6:58:37] and safety?

[6:58:39] And the point is, if we don't

[6:58:41] take care of upstream issues, we

[6:58:44] have to deal with downstream

[6:58:44] effects.

[6:58:46] It is same on the public safety

[6:58:47] side of the discussion as it is

[6:58:48] on the health side as it is on

[6:58:52] the housing side, and so we are

[6:58:57] reaping what we seau sew and..

[6:58:59] I don't think we can turn the

[6:59:00] spigot off all of a sudden but

[6:59:02] if go to the a point where

[6:59:05] dedidn't have to fund services

[6:59:08] related to homelessness then we

[6:59:09] can say we are dealing with the

[6:59:11] people not having a house.

[6:59:13] Or excuse me being homeless is

[6:59:14] not just having a house.

[6:59:15] There are so many other root

[6:59:16] causes that are associated that

[6:59:19] need to be addressed.

[6:59:23] And beto, just in reflecting you

[6:59:25] mentioned something, you said

[6:59:28] naturally occurring affordable

[6:59:28] housing.

[6:59:30] That sounds like an endangered

[6:59:32] or extinct animal.

[6:59:34] >> do we have naturally

[6:59:35] occurring affordable housing in

[6:59:36] this community?

[6:59:37] >> we do.

[6:59:40] So that term referred to housing

[6:59:45] that doesn't get subsidies.

[6:59:47] And so the there are a lot of

[6:59:49] houses rented out that are --

[6:59:49] >> Mayor Nirenberg: fair

[6:59:51] enough, but is it being

[6:59:51] produced?

[6:59:53] Are there new naturally

[6:59:55] occurring affordable housing

[6:59:58] being constructed today in san

[6:59:58] antonio?

[7:00:00] >> that's a really good

[7:00:01] question, and I would like to

[7:00:02] get back to you on that.

[7:00:03] >> Mayor Nirenberg: right.

[7:00:08] My guess would be probably not,

[7:00:10] but it is falling a severely

[7:00:12] short of the population's needs.

[7:00:14] And that is why we get into the

[7:00:17] business of housing bonds,

[7:00:19] housing trusts, any number of

[7:00:22] deals that are trying to improve

[7:00:25] the supply of outstanding.

[7:00:26] And really, what we have

[7:00:28] long-term to deal with, and if

[7:00:31] we don't deal with it we will

[7:00:32] have an even bigger crisis on

[7:00:34] our hands that we currently do

[7:00:36] is a lack of supply to meet the

[7:00:38] demands of housing of all times

[7:00:41] which is why I agree with what

[7:00:43] councilmember pelaez said.

[7:00:44] If we don't create housing of a

[7:00:46] certain ami it creates pressure

[7:00:49] on the ami below it, because of

[7:00:52] investment behavior.

[7:00:54] So, you know, I am reflecting on

[7:00:55] this and there is -- there is

[7:00:57] also always a desire to go back

[7:01:00] in time and you know, put

[7:01:01] requirements on where we were

[7:01:03] before, so we can have things

[7:01:06] today that we didn't -- that we

[7:01:08] don't, but I remember the

[7:01:10] housing conversation in earnest

[7:01:13] in this city began with mayor

[7:01:15] castro in the decade of downtown

[7:01:16] and the reason for that was, and

[7:01:18] there was no affordability

[7:01:19] criteria then.

[7:01:21] The reason was that there was no

[7:01:23] naturally occurring housing,

[7:01:25] period, of any kind, in the

[7:01:26] urban core, and that was

[7:01:28] creating an affordability crisis

[7:01:31] for the entire community in the

[7:01:32] urban core.

[7:01:33] So I just want to be really

[7:01:34] careful as we move forward in

[7:01:36] the discussion that we are not

[7:01:39] just -- we are not closing the

[7:01:41] door on our ability to be

[7:01:43] creative to produce housing that

[7:01:43] isn't naturally occurring.

[7:01:45] There are others that we have to

[7:01:47] deal with as well, and I would

[7:01:50] add to it, workforce development

[7:01:51] being one of them.

[7:01:53] The other side of this ledger is

[7:01:57] that we are at 60 percent ami

[7:01:58] because our median income is

[7:02:04] failing to compete with our pier peer

[7:02:05] cities so this is a

[7:02:06] comprehensive discussion and I

[7:02:07] want to make sure we are

[7:02:09] approaching it the right way and

[7:02:10] ultimately the metric we should

[7:02:12] be looking at, in my opinion, is

[7:02:15] supply of housing at every ami

[7:02:16] level to meet the demand that is

[7:02:19] in that bracket.

[7:02:21] So erik, you said our av folks

[7:02:23] who have been doing a heck of a

[7:02:26] job today, have not had a single

[7:02:26] break.

[7:02:27] We do have the council

[7:02:28] discussion to get to.

[7:02:30] We are clearly going to go a

[7:02:32] little bit over time today.

[7:02:37] So if we can, if my colleagues

[7:02:39] could take a ten-minute break

[7:02:41] and commit to being back here in

[7:02:44] ten minutes, we can be quick.

[7:02:45] Av pokes can take a break and we

[7:02:48] can have a decent level of

[7:02:50] discussion to close out.

[7:02:52] Good?

[7:02:54] Okay.

[7:17:02] [Recess] Sglauf

[7:18:27] .

[7:18:34] >> >>Bravo:.

[7:18:37] >> >>Bravo: check.

[7:18:48] >> >>Bravo:

[7:18:52] Bravo:

[7:18:53] >> Bravo:

[7:19:18] >> as we get started let me

[7:19:22] thank our convention center r

[7:19:25] and contract staff and the av

[7:19:28] folks back there making sure

[7:19:30] we're transmitting and can hear

[7:19:31] each other.

[7:19:35] Thank you for bears with us all

[7:19:40] day.

[7:19:44] We've had a very robust session

[7:19:48] already and I think what we

[7:19:53] would discuss in an open session

[7:19:55] has been drilled down

[7:19:56] significantly.

[7:19:58] Staff will go back and absorb

[7:20:01] what they've heard and come up

[7:20:02] with a new budget.

[7:20:05] And we'll drill down on that

[7:20:07] budget department by department

[7:20:09] before we get to budget

[7:20:11] ratification in SEPTEMBER.

[7:20:12] So wrap up today, I think we

[7:20:15] should take an hour or so --

[7:20:18] maybe a little less -- to talk

[7:20:21] about and go around the room

[7:20:23] about key strategic

[7:20:26] priorities -- two things most

[7:20:28] important for the staff, eric

[7:20:32] and his team, as they begin to

[7:20:33] talk about the budget.

[7:20:34] Of the things we have talked

[7:20:38] about today, what is most

[7:20:38] important to you.

[7:20:40] That will give them consensus I

[7:20:41] think they need to hear from us.

[7:20:43] I'll go ahead and start.

[7:20:46] We've heard a lot and this

[7:20:48] budget will continue to be

[7:20:51] informed by the equity framework

[7:20:53] this council has adopted over

[7:20:55] the past four or five years, but

[7:20:58] of the specific items we

[7:21:00] discussed, I'll let you know,

[7:21:00] eric.

[7:21:01] I think it's important,

[7:21:03] especially coming out of the

[7:21:06] pandemic, that we continue to

[7:21:07] focus on health outcomes and

[7:21:10] that our strategic plan is in

[7:21:13] position to be successful.

[7:21:15] And that to me requires a budget

[7:21:17] as displayed here that's

[7:21:19] sustainable and less vulnerable

[7:21:20] to disruptions.

[7:21:22] I'm very pleased with the

[7:21:25] five-year outlook, now shifting

[7:21:31] more to general fund funding.

[7:21:33] Also appreciate my colleagues'

[7:21:35] comments on vision zero,

[7:21:38] including bicycle infrastructure

[7:21:42] and pedestrian mobility.

[7:21:43] We know the transportation

[7:21:44] system will continue to be a top

[7:21:45] priority.

[7:21:48] Specific to that I think it's

[7:21:51] high time we begin to adequately

[7:21:55] fund at an adequate level -- I'm

[7:21:59] proposing 20 million a year --

[7:22:03] our vision zero -- the bicycle

[7:22:07] master plan and sidewalk and

[7:22:09] pedestrian infrastructure.

[7:22:13] Coming out of the pandemic,

[7:22:15] making sure we have a demand to

[7:22:18] meet housing at every level is

[7:22:19] critical.

[7:22:21] I think it will largely

[7:22:23] determine the trajectory of the

[7:22:25] city over the next ten years,

[7:22:27] whether or not we can keep up

[7:22:29] with the supply because we know

[7:22:31] we're doing well in identifying

[7:22:33] and investing in other

[7:22:36] fundamentals of the city as we

[7:22:38] begin to implement workforce

[7:22:40] plans which remain a priority as

[7:22:42] well.

[7:22:43] Affordable housing --

[7:22:44] specifically making sure we get

[7:22:47] on track and stay on track with

[7:22:49] housing policy framework

[7:22:50] implementation plan.

[7:22:52] Unless there are volunteers to

[7:22:55] go first, I can go around the

[7:22:55] room.

[7:22:59] But I see hands already, so I'll

[7:23:04] go by the hounds.

[7:23:04] We

[7:23:06] >> in terms of priorities I

[7:23:11] want us to definitely focus on

[7:23:15] getting that 5 million or 3 per

[7:23:17] cent to the city employ e yoo

[7:23:18] ees

[7:23:19] mployees.

[7:23:20] We cannot do a bonus but we did

[7:23:23] have essential employees and I

[7:23:25] think their work needs to be

[7:23:25] addressed.

[7:23:28] I don't know how we can do that

[7:23:30] in their pay performance review.

[7:23:32] I think we need to do that

[7:23:35] before we do any new hiring for

[7:23:37] any chief officers of any of the

[7:23:39] departments -- to make sure the

[7:23:45] current city employees that are

[7:23:46] there are taken care of.

[7:23:47] I'd like to see that worked on.

[7:23:48] The other thing I've noticed

[7:23:50] from the budget is there's a lot

[7:23:52] of technology moves with the

[7:23:54] health and with the public

[7:23:55] safety.

[7:23:57] And I would like to see some

[7:23:58] funds for my district and

[7:24:00] possibly other districts that

[7:24:03] have that tech gap for digital

[7:24:04] inclusion, and I don't know if

[7:24:07] that means extending check-outs

[7:24:12] of tablets and laptops from the

[7:24:14] library, but if we could work on

[7:24:16] that and I sent over a specific

[7:24:19] amount. And then I have

[7:24:21] infrastructure issues that I

[7:24:26] need to -- will need to be

[7:24:30] addressed especially with the

[7:24:33] park concerns.

[7:24:36] I know just because we saw so

[7:24:38] many people go outdoors as a

[7:24:40] result of the pandemic, and we

[7:24:42] want to continue to see them do

[7:24:43] that.

[7:24:46] One thing I think we did see is

[7:24:52] for the inner city -- that would

[7:24:53] be one threw

[7:24:54] ough four.

[7:24:58] We MAY need another acs officer.

[7:25:00] And that's a priority that I see

[7:25:01] for the budget.

[7:25:05] And I think when we ask and

[7:25:07] look, maybe we don't the 5

[7:25:10] million for visit san antonio

[7:25:14] and instead keep them at the 15

[7:25:16] million and see how the hotels

[7:25:18] and visit san antonio can work

[7:25:21] together to fill the convention

[7:25:22] center because I'm concerned

[7:25:25] it's not filling fast enough.

[7:25:27] So those are my priorities for

[7:25:28] the budget, and I look forward

[7:25:32] to hearing from my council

[7:25:32] colleagues.

[7:25:33] Thank you

[7:25:35] >> mayor -- can I respond a

[7:25:36] little bit?

[7:25:38] i think this is an additional

[7:25:40] framework that will be helpful

[7:25:42] for me.

[7:25:45] I MAY come back and ask as we go

[7:25:47] around the room what areas would

[7:25:49] you like to not see us restore

[7:25:51] funding in order to offset some

[7:25:54] of the changes that are made

[7:25:57] here because -- and that's the

[7:25:58] beauty of a trial budget,

[7:26:00] because it's balanced.

[7:26:02] And so keep that in mind.

[7:26:04] The other thing I was just going

[7:26:06] to mention is that via safe

[7:26:08] funding that you're referring

[7:26:11] to -- we're primarily funding

[7:26:16] with the revenue loss autoof a

[7:26:17] out of

[7:26:20] arpa dollars.

[7:26:21] It's not like we're allocating

[7:26:23] city funds to do that.

[7:26:27] We're utilizing arpa funds from

[7:26:33] 2020 lost revenue to restore

[7:26:37] back to 2019 levels and our ore

[7:26:39] operations for this building but

[7:26:42] not taking to, say, 2019 levels

[7:26:43] but getting them to capacity

[7:26:44] level.

[7:26:50] Just wanted to point that out

[7:26:54] >> thank you, mayor.

[7:27:04] My concern is sidewalk and pe

[7:27:04] des

[7:27:05] des

[7:27:10] -- pedestrian, bike

[7:27:11] infrastructure, transportation.

[7:27:15] The safe officer unit, the pow

[7:27:17] program -- continued diversity

[7:27:18] training, sensitivity training

[7:27:22] for our officers, eliminating

[7:27:24] the $25 property fee.

[7:27:28] I'd like to see funding for a

[7:27:28] healthy conner

[7:27:28] er

[7:27:31] corner store in district

[7:27:35] 6 and a number of equipment

[7:27:42] items for fire and -- that will

[7:27:44] reduce call times.

[7:27:45] The good sam app our fire

[7:27:49] department is using, dispatch is

[7:27:51] using to decrease dispatchers

[7:27:53] and using the app to answer

[7:27:54] mental calls.

[7:27:57] I think that would be helpful to

[7:27:58] hopefully decrease police calls

[7:28:00] but mostly to help our citizens

[7:28:04] with their mental health crises.

[7:28:07] I would like to see funding for

[7:28:11] the west side educational center

[7:28:16] and the mexican-american civil

[7:28:17] rights institute.

[7:28:19] Maybe talk to my colleague in

[7:28:21] district five about sharing

[7:28:22] those, but those two

[7:28:23] institutions I think are

[7:28:25] important to show case the

[7:28:26] history of our city and parts of

[7:28:27] our culture.

[7:28:30] And I want to support the

[7:28:32] funding for the kennel facility,

[7:28:39] to support our initiatives to

[7:29:01] help the houseless here sglin

[7:29:02] >> council perry

[7:29:06] >> I think we need to respond

[7:29:06] to the survey and get more

[7:29:07] police out there, safe officers

[7:29:09] or patrolman -- increase our

[7:29:10] police force.

[7:29:12] Property tax relief -- we've

[7:29:16] talked about that.

[7:29:17] You know, I'm disappointed that

[7:29:19] we can't take a portion of the

[7:29:23] carry-over and fund an increase

[7:29:25] in our homestead exemption.

[7:29:27] I'll keep pounding on that, and

[7:29:30] I wish we could take another

[7:29:32] look at that seriously before we

[7:29:36] take this on to the next level.

[7:29:37] And then infrastructure -- I

[7:29:43] talked about increasing our our

[7:29:44] nant budgets.

[7:29:47] Each council district -- gives

[7:29:49] us a little more flexibility.

[7:29:51] Was it last year or year before

[7:29:52] last we had two years ago that

[7:29:54] we had an additional million

[7:29:55] dollars per district that we

[7:29:58] were able to use for different

[7:29:59] projects, primarily

[7:30:02] infrastructure projects within

[7:30:03] each district.

[7:30:05] don't know if we could afford

[7:30:07] that but that was a big help for

[7:30:10] individual projects within each

[7:30:12] district as well.

[7:30:14] Streets and side -- side streets

[7:30:19] and sidewalks -- I think we --

[7:30:22] again, that's the top priority

[7:30:26] almost every year coming from

[7:30:28] our citizens saying they want

[7:30:28] better streets.

[7:30:31] And I think we should take that

[7:30:32] opportunity to put more into our

[7:30:34] streets program.

[7:30:38] On that slide -- I asked the

[7:30:41] question, are we talking about

[7:30:43] 110 million up top and

[7:30:45] additional 20 million for vision

[7:30:51] zero for total of 30 million --

[7:30:52] is that correct?

[7:30:53] -- 130 million

[7:30:55] >> that's correct.

[7:30:57] If council includes that -- if

[7:30:59] you don't do that, that's not

[7:30:59] correct

[7:31:01] >> okay.

[7:31:06] But -- I'm -- it's 110 ml

[7:31:07] illion

[7:31:08] dollars still.

[7:31:11] >> it would be -- we would -- I

[7:31:13] think what the mayor proposed

[7:31:16] was that would be dedicated to

[7:31:22] vision zero type projects, yes

[7:31:23] >> as long as we stay at the

[7:31:24] 110 million.

[7:31:26] I think we should add additional

[7:31:27] to that -- whatever the

[7:31:30] additional is to show we are

[7:31:32] responding to folks that are

[7:31:34] asking for additional street

[7:31:37] maintenance throughout the city.

[7:31:39] That's not just in district 10.

[7:31:41] That's across the entire city.

[7:31:44] Those are my top three

[7:31:44] priorities.

[7:31:47] Like I said, they haven't

[7:31:49] changed since 2017, but I have a

[7:31:52] list of other projects within

[7:31:54] district 10 that are needed --

[7:31:56] mixture of infrastructure

[7:31:59] projects.

[7:32:00] primarily drainage.

[7:32:04] Everybody have drainage issue

[7:32:05] projects.

[7:32:05] That wasn't called out

[7:32:07] separately in today's briefings

[7:32:08] but I think we need to take a

[7:32:13] closer look at that in the next

[7:32:16] iteration -- what are we putting

[7:32:17] towards drainage in our

[7:32:20] districts also?

[7:32:32] Did I say the namp?

[7:32:33] >> Mayor Nirenberg: yes

[7:32:37] >> I have to start out --

[7:32:39] streets and sidewalks is a huge

[7:32:41] priority, infrastructure is, as

[7:32:44] well as public health and

[7:32:45] affordable housing.

[7:32:47] Those have to be the areas in

[7:32:49] which I would like to see

[7:32:51] increased funding and programs.

[7:32:55] I also want to reiterate the

[7:32:56] street lighting index and I

[7:32:58] would like to have a further

[7:33:00] conversation about what that

[7:33:00] looks like.

[7:33:02] Seems like we got a pretty good

[7:33:04] general consensus on that as

[7:33:08] well as the office of crime

[7:33:14] prevention and recidivism.

[7:33:19] The austin community center is

[7:33:21] without ac now.

[7:33:23] I would like to see funding for

[7:33:27] ac units and I know we've had a

[7:33:30] conversation about as a future

[7:33:31] bond project -- I would like to

[7:33:33] continue that a discussion as

[7:33:33] well.

[7:33:35] I believe we can do both.

[7:33:37] Also, I think a huge

[7:33:39] responsibility at our council

[7:33:42] office is maintaining strong

[7:33:46] field offices and we have two in

[7:33:49] district two.

[7:33:52] It is -- to have the number of

[7:33:53] briefings, all that -- wanting

[7:33:55] to make sure the case load that

[7:33:57] we have is being handled

[7:33:58] effectively and quickly.

[7:34:00] So at some point I would like to

[7:34:01] entertain a conversation about

[7:34:07] moving up from 7-1/2 full-time

[7:34:12] equivalents to 8 if that's a

[7:34:13] possibility.

[7:34:16] I had this conversation with

[7:34:19] council member sandoval, 3-1-1

[7:34:21] is looking to add more members.

[7:34:24] I think it would be a good idea

[7:34:27] to think of housing some of

[7:34:29] those operators at field

[7:34:30] offices.

[7:34:32] I would like to, you know, state

[7:34:32] that.

[7:34:34] Thank you guys so much.

[7:34:38] Also, I'm support of perry and

[7:34:47] the

[7:34:53] the namp.

[7:34:55] >> Mayor Nirenberg: council

[7:34:56] member garcia

[7:35:01] >> sidewalks, streets, public

[7:35:03] health and senior services.

[7:35:05] We did not spend any time --

[7:35:07] this is a problem of mine --

[7:35:08] with resiliency.

[7:35:10] Where does that go?

[7:35:12] We talked about a chief

[7:35:13] resiliency officer and different

[7:35:15] things to make sure our city is

[7:35:17] resilient but we didn't talk

[7:35:19] about it at all today, so I was

[7:35:21] wondering where that goes or

[7:35:23] where we have that discussion

[7:35:26] because that would be one of my

[7:35:26] priorities.

[7:35:28] >> well, I think that's --

[7:35:29] thank you for bringing that up.

[7:35:31] I thought that would come up

[7:35:33] earlier in the day.

[7:35:34] We set aside money in the trial

[7:35:35] budget.

[7:35:38] We're going to review the report

[7:35:39] that was released yesterday.

[7:35:43] And I think I've shared with you

[7:35:47] at last wednesday's session or

[7:35:49] yesterday's session that we'll

[7:35:50] come back in the proposed budget

[7:35:53] with a plan and the use of those

[7:35:53] funds.

[7:35:56] You MAY also see -- we've talked

[7:35:57] internally about potentially

[7:36:00] sharing with council when we get

[7:36:04] to the bond program --

[7:36:04] bond-funded options to deal with

[7:36:07] some of the hazard mitigation

[7:36:09] projects, primarily drainage.

[7:36:12] Could be some facility issues.

[7:36:14] We're going to get that worked

[7:36:15] up this summer

[7:36:17] >> I would like to advocate

[7:36:19] for -- let's not wait for the

[7:36:19] bond.

[7:36:21] Let's try to repurpose --

[7:36:24] anything we can do, if it has to

[7:36:25] be a resiliency plan.

[7:36:29] I don't know what it is but --

[7:36:32] >> we're not going to wait.

[7:36:34] Several council members have

[7:36:36] talked about infrastructure

[7:36:42] changes or improvement,

[7:36:42] port-a-potties.

[7:36:43] Part of what we're going to do

[7:36:46] in the summer is try to

[7:36:48] prioritize based on what we're

[7:36:50] hearing and on our

[7:36:51] recommendation things that need

[7:36:52] to be addressed.

[7:36:55] And I frankly can't think of

[7:36:56] anything more important than

[7:36:57] following through with some of

[7:36:59] the things that general rice

[7:37:00] talked about yesterday.

[7:37:02] There's an analysis that needs

[7:37:05] to go in, but to me, as city

[7:37:07] manager, those are the top

[7:37:14] priorities from a capital

[7:37:14] standpoint.

[7:37:18] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you.

[7:37:24] Council member c

[7:37:24] ostello

[7:37:27] >> we need to make sure we're

[7:37:29] prioritizing our streets and

[7:37:29] sidewalks.

[7:37:32] In addition to that, restoring

[7:37:35] the pre-covid funding for under

[7:37:39] one roof and continuing to fund

[7:37:41] owner-occupied rehab program and

[7:37:43] funding the right to counsel

[7:37:43] program.

[7:37:46] Park improvements -- we talked

[7:37:47] about it.

[7:37:51] In district five many parks have

[7:37:53] port-a-potties instead of

[7:37:55] permanent restrooms and the

[7:37:57] restrooms we do have need to be

[7:37:57] invested in.

[7:38:00] We need to focus on the lighting

[7:38:01] component and work on that study

[7:38:03] to ensure we're meeting the

[7:38:09] lighting needs of our residents.

[7:38:12] We didn't get to talk about it

[7:38:14] during discussion but I think

[7:38:17] it's important to invest in

[7:38:18] education for community -- many

[7:38:22] of the code violation community

[7:38:23] doesn't know it's a code

[7:38:26] violation so maybe we can invest

[7:38:32] to let folks know what's

[7:38:36] acceptable.

[7:38:38] I echo investing in the

[7:38:43] mexican-american civil rights

[7:38:43] institution and, you know,

[7:38:51] working towards supporting the

[7:38:54] the -- most important we need to

[7:38:56] restore the three per cent for

[7:38:59] city civilian employees.

[7:39:02] Many of these folks are shifted

[7:39:03] to the food bank.

[7:39:05] We need to make sure we get

[7:39:07] their compensation.

[7:39:09] Supporting the kennel

[7:39:09] facilities.

[7:39:13] We need to make sure unhoused

[7:39:15] folks have a kennel for their

[7:39:17] pets and support animal care

[7:39:19] service to meet the need of the

[7:39:23] folks throughout the city.

[7:39:23] Thank you.

[7:39:26] >> Mayor Nirenberg: council

[7:39:27] sandoval

[7:39:28] >> thank you.

[7:39:30] This the lightening round of

[7:39:32] what you want, right?

[7:39:34] Take note.

[7:39:35] I will begin with the request

[7:39:37] from the people who put me in

[7:39:39] office and whom I serve

[7:39:39] directly.

[7:39:48] In terms of district 7 instra

[7:39:48] structure, the numb

[7:39:49] k

[7:39:53] -- infrastructure is the

[7:39:54] biggest concern.

[7:39:56] Also streets and sidewalks -- we

[7:39:58] have one of the largest sidewalk

[7:40:01] gaps in the city after district

[7:40:03] three and street repair and

[7:40:04] rehabilitation.

[7:40:06] We have a number of f streets

[7:40:09] and I will continue to say we

[7:40:13] received $11 million in the $444

[7:40:16] million bond in 2017 and would

[7:40:19] appreciate the support from my

[7:40:20] council members.

[7:40:23] We also do need an improvement

[7:40:27] in animal care services in

[7:40:32] district seven -- not an

[7:40:32] improvement.

[7:40:33] You do great.

[7:40:36] But more of you.

[7:40:40] We have the highest number of

[7:40:41] impounds and highest number of

[7:40:44] dog bites in the past two years.

[7:40:48] Continuing on my district seven

[7:40:48] priority.

[7:40:50] I have some park requests, but

[7:40:53] also an investment in the deco

[7:40:53] district.

[7:40:55] This is a request the

[7:40:56] constituents made to me when I

[7:40:59] first got into office.

[7:41:00] And we haven't made much

[7:41:02] movement on it but as you know

[7:41:09] many years ago there was an

[7:41:12] investment to reviet

[7:41:13] talize the

[7:41:13] area.

[7:41:17] What I'm asking for is some

[7:41:19] money similar to the northeast

[7:41:21] corridor where there is

[7:41:23] incentives for local businesses

[7:41:25] in the area.

[7:41:28] Overall, I would say my second

[7:41:30] priority has to do with

[7:41:34] diversity, equity, and inclusion

[7:41:36] and this means funding the

[7:41:41] mexican-american civil rights

[7:41:51] institute, invest to serve the speaking community,

[7:41:53] and that we provide for child

[7:41:54] care at board and commission

[7:42:01] meetings in accordance with

[7:42:07] COUNCILMAN Gonzales' ccr.

[7:42:14] next priority -- housing

[7:42:15] preservation and investing in

[7:42:17] community safety -- in further

[7:42:21] violence prevention and gun

[7:42:22] safety.

[7:42:23] Thank you.

[7:42:25] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you.

[7:42:28] Council member courage.

[7:42:29] >> thank you.

[7:42:31] I know we're focusing on the

[7:42:31] budget.

[7:42:36] The priorities in my brikt

[7:42:37] district

[7:42:39] are close to what everybody's

[7:42:40] are.

[7:42:43] Number one is public safety.

[7:42:46] It will be always be a priority

[7:42:50] in every district.

[7:42:51] Council member perry, I second

[7:42:53] your priority in tax relief.

[7:42:56] I think we understand the

[7:42:57] significance in that.

[7:42:59] I don't think we'll get very far

[7:43:03] this time around, but I'll with

[7:43:05] you on the fight.

[7:43:07] Other than that instra

[7:43:10] structure -- streets --

[7:43:11] infrastructure -- streets,

[7:43:12] sidewalks, drainage.

[7:43:14] Those are interests shared in

[7:43:14] every community.

[7:43:17] Some communities need more

[7:43:19] addressed in those areas, but it

[7:43:21] doesn't mean that my community

[7:43:23] doesn't have its needs and wants

[7:43:25] that we need to address as well.

[7:43:28] I want to go ahead and also, you

[7:43:32] know, speak up for the 2022 bond

[7:43:35] project coming up and I'm having

[7:43:37] people in my district identify

[7:43:39] what those needs are right now

[7:43:42] so that we can start building

[7:43:45] those into the next bond

[7:43:46] project.

[7:43:47] Those are district nine, but

[7:43:48] also I look at the city as a

[7:43:51] whole, and I think a couple of

[7:43:52] other very important issues are

[7:43:55] housing and the affordability of

[7:43:55] housing.

[7:43:56] and that's something that I

[7:43:58] think even people in every

[7:44:01] district are concerned about.

[7:44:03] I'm also concerned -- priority

[7:44:05] for me is paying city employees

[7:44:06] better than the three per cent

[7:44:08] we've talked about.

[7:44:10] How many ways that's going to

[7:44:13] get split up and what that means

[7:44:14] over last year and this year --

[7:44:16] I think it's something we need

[7:44:18] to give more consideration to.

[7:44:20] Finally, I'm going to endorse

[7:44:21] increasing the funding that I've

[7:44:23] heard from a couple of council

[7:44:26] members for things that don't

[7:44:28] get put in the budget that we

[7:44:29] know people in our community

[7:44:31] still want and need it goes a

[7:44:34] long way to help us meet those.

[7:44:37] That's it for me, mayor.

[7:44:40] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[7:44:43] council member courage.

[7:44:47] Council member pelaez

[7:44:48] >> thank you.

[7:44:55] I think every one of these have

[7:44:56] resilience baked into them.

[7:44:59] Resilience needs to be front and

[7:45:01] center in almost every meeting

[7:45:02] going forward.

[7:45:05] It is workforce training and

[7:45:06] economic development.

[7:45:07] And we're more resilient when we

[7:45:11] have safer streets and we've got

[7:45:12] more drainage.

[7:45:16] We're more resilient with more

[7:45:19] well trained police officers and

[7:45:20] firefighters.

[7:45:22] My community is asking for all

[7:45:22] those.

[7:45:24] Adding to that, another

[7:45:27] nuance -- I know you want three.

[7:45:28] Domestic violence is still one

[7:45:30] of the things that haunts the

[7:45:30] city.

[7:45:32] Everybody thinks they have a

[7:45:34] real hard job, but in san

[7:45:36] antonio I don't think it's more

[7:45:36] difficult.

[7:45:40] I can't think of anything more

[7:45:43] difficult than being a female in

[7:45:44] san antonio right now.

[7:45:49] One in three women will have a

[7:45:50] domestic violence story to tell,

[7:45:53] and I think that's unacceptable.

[7:45:56] Also, we -- our dogs out of

[7:46:00] acs -- we're having tremendous

[7:46:02] success with the canines for

[7:46:04] warriors program.

[7:46:07] We're going to come up at you,

[7:46:11] mayor and eric, with request for

[7:46:12] expansion.

[7:46:13] They've got the demand and we

[7:46:15] have the dogs to help out the

[7:46:16] veterans.

[7:46:18] Anyway, thanks.

[7:46:20] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you.

[7:46:27] Council member?

[7:46:30] >> number one I saw public

[7:46:34] health in there, and for me that

[7:46:35] includes but isn't limited to

[7:46:37] major support for the work

[7:46:43] around adverse childhood

[7:46:43] experiences

[7:46:45] experiences, restorative

[7:46:48] justice -- restorative justice

[7:46:49] and mental health bleed into

[7:46:50] other topics.

[7:46:53] I see them there and domestic

[7:46:54] violence as well.

[7:46:57] Basic infrastructure and also to

[7:46:59] include downtown and making

[7:47:00] downtown a more walkable

[7:47:04] downtown, which makes it a more

[7:47:05] livable downtown and a downtown

[7:47:15] that can attract more high hf

[7:47:17] high-end -- and affordable

[7:47:20] housing, which includes making

[7:47:22] sure people aren't taxed out of

[7:47:23] their homes.

[7:47:25] Making sure they're proactive

[7:47:28] about -- making sure people in

[7:47:32] low-income zip codes are not

[7:47:33] paying more than their fair

[7:47:35] share of property taxes.

[7:47:38] Making sure everybody has a

[7:47:41] homestead exemption, making sure

[7:47:44] people who are -- to help them

[7:47:45] protest their appraisals.

[7:47:47] That's tax relief I'm putting on

[7:47:48] the table.

[7:47:51] And then sustainability.

[7:47:53] Long-term sustainability and

[7:47:54] resiliency for our community.

[7:47:56] And then I also want to throw

[7:48:00] out that I'm glad haven for hope

[7:48:03] made a visit out to the district

[7:48:06] one field office yesterday and

[7:48:09] was -- with an outreach worker

[7:48:11] and they were able to help one

[7:48:15] of the people experiencing

[7:48:17] homelessness get in a home and

[7:48:20] take their dog with that.

[7:48:22] I'm really glad about that.

[7:48:26] I know that's important in being

[7:48:26] effective.

[7:48:27] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[7:48:30] council member.

[7:48:31] Anyone else?

[7:48:33] >> I was remiss in not

[7:48:34] mentioning health.

[7:48:35] You know me.

[7:48:38] I chair that committee and

[7:48:40] that's what one of my degrees is

[7:48:41] in.

[7:48:42] You asked a question about what

[7:48:45] funding we do not want to see

[7:48:46] restored

[7:48:47] >> potential option, yeah

[7:48:49] >> this makes us all the bad

[7:48:51] guy right now, but I'll go ahead

[7:48:53] and pose something.

[7:48:57] We asked the voters in NOVEMBER

[7:48:59] successfully to invest in a jobs

[7:49:01] program of $40 million which I

[7:49:02] consider economic development.

[7:49:04] So I'm wondering if maybe that's

[7:49:06] the area that we don't restore

[7:49:08] because we're investing in it in

[7:49:09] a different way right now.

[7:49:11] I don't think that's going to be

[7:49:12] popular amongst some of our

[7:49:15] folks here, but I -- I'll go

[7:49:17] ahead and put that out there.

[7:49:17] Thanks.

[7:49:20] It's only $5 million, I think.

[7:49:21] Not only.

[7:49:22] It's 5 million being proposed

[7:49:26] >> for what?

[7:49:26] >> economic innocent

[7:49:28] centives

[7:49:28] >> got it

[7:49:31] >> although I like the idea of

[7:49:33] incentives that help local,

[7:49:33] existing small businesses.

[7:49:36] In terms of recruiting other

[7:49:37] companies to san antonio right

[7:49:39] now, if I had to choose between

[7:49:42] that and building more

[7:49:45] sidewalks, I would build more

[7:49:45] sidewalks.

[7:49:47] Thank you.

[7:49:49] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you.

[7:49:51] Anyone else to add anything?

[7:49:53] I'm going to --

[7:49:54] >> I'll add.

[7:49:55] Sorry.

[7:49:59] I'll add that in looking at what

[7:50:02] district two said in the survey.

[7:50:05] I see library services as ninth.

[7:50:08] Youth services as tenth and code

[7:50:10] enforcement as 11th.

[7:50:13] As an educator I cannot support

[7:50:15] cutting funding for library or

[7:50:20] youth services.

[7:50:22] I want to make that noun

[7:50:22] known.

[7:50:23] >> Mayor Nirenberg: I've been a

[7:50:26] chatting off to the side with

[7:50:27] eric.

[7:50:30] This short round has listed a

[7:50:33] lot of things we want.

[7:50:35] Only one item that perhaps one

[7:50:36] member doesn't want.

[7:50:38] So as we're thinking about this,

[7:50:42] what I would like to suggest to

[7:50:43] you, eric, is that all the

[7:50:47] things listed are priorities.

[7:50:47] There are more needs than wants

[7:50:50] but the ones that rise to the

[7:50:52] service are things we should

[7:50:55] protect, things we shouldn't

[7:50:58] target for -- adjustments,

[7:50:59] downward adjustments.

[7:51:01] And these are some of the things

[7:51:06] I've heard around the table as

[7:51:07] consensus: housing with various

[7:51:09] aspects of it, including things

[7:51:12] like the kennel services, for

[7:51:17] instance, at the homeless

[7:51:19] shelter.

[7:51:20] Transportation infrastructure --

[7:51:22] drainage, streets, sidewalks.

[7:51:24] Also in particular vision zero

[7:51:24] investments.

[7:51:27] We've heard a number of times

[7:51:29] the health plan and more

[7:51:32] specifically in the health plan,

[7:51:34] adverse childhood experiences

[7:51:36] which are part of the strategic

[7:51:39] plan as well as domestic

[7:51:42] violence prevention.

[7:51:45] We're hearing policing and

[7:51:47] policing services.

[7:51:47] Public safety.

[7:51:51] Heard acs and perhaps some

[7:51:54] targeted district resources in

[7:51:55] acs.

[7:51:56] As the list goes down, there are

[7:51:58] fewer mentions but those are the

[7:52:00] ones rising to the top as

[7:52:01] highest priorities.

[7:52:04] We're also hearing things like

[7:52:07] the lighting plan, senior

[7:52:11] services, resiliency, et cetera.

[7:52:13] So I think we can reflect on

[7:52:14] that as being some of the

[7:52:18] highest priorities, but to your

[7:52:19] point, COUNCILMAN, we have to

[7:52:22] think of things that weren't

[7:52:23] mentioned that we know as a

[7:52:25] result of the survey are

[7:52:25] important.

[7:52:30] Our residents -- taken for

[7:52:31] granted up here.

[7:52:32] Anyone else?

[7:52:34] >> I'll give you an example

[7:52:39] of -- when I saw the numbers for

[7:52:43] mike shannon's operations --

[7:52:45] code enforcement or -- I didn't

[7:52:47] think, oh, people just don't

[7:52:47] want that.

[7:52:50] The way I look at it is mike and

[7:52:52] his team are doing such a good

[7:52:55] job it's taken for granted.

[7:52:59] People's houses aren't burning

[7:53:13] down, roofs aren't caving in,

[7:53:14] apartments aren't immroed

[7:53:15] ploding.

[7:53:17] I don't want us to think these

[7:53:19] aren't things people don't want

[7:53:19] us to invest

[7:53:22] >> I think we'll be mindful.

[7:53:25] Last year we had the worst

[7:53:27] financial crisis the city ever

[7:53:28] stumbled upon, and we didn't cut

[7:53:29] services.

[7:53:31] We're not looking at the ranking

[7:53:34] of services at number 10 or code

[7:53:38] at number 11 as fruit that needs

[7:53:40] to be picked for a cut.

[7:53:42] That's not how we're looking at

[7:53:43] it.

[7:53:45] I'm going to look at -- we'll

[7:53:47] look at either not restoring

[7:53:51] certain things or there are

[7:53:52] plenty of efficiencies as I go

[7:53:54] through the departments and meet

[7:53:56] with the departments this

[7:53:57] summer -- or in JULY, things

[7:53:59] that we can do better and more

[7:54:01] efficiently and we'll look at

[7:54:03] efficiencies to be able to fund

[7:54:04] and reallocate.

[7:54:06] That's part of the natural

[7:54:08] process we go through, but we're

[7:54:11] not looking at the bottom end to

[7:54:12] do that necessarily.

[7:54:14] I mean, just -- especially after

[7:54:15] the last year that everybody has

[7:54:16] been through and the

[7:54:18] community -- those types of

[7:54:20] things are really important and

[7:54:23] I think we have to do as much as

[7:54:25] we can to protect them.

[7:54:27] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you.

[7:54:28] Council member courage?

[7:54:31] >> yeah, mayor.

[7:54:35] I think you inadvertently left

[7:54:37] something some of us talked

[7:54:39] about and that's the pay

[7:54:40] increase.

[7:54:41] >> Mayor Nirenberg: that's

[7:54:41] right.

[7:54:42] I did mean to mention that.

[7:54:44] That was mentioned several

[7:54:45] times.

[7:54:47] Thank you.

[7:54:53] Council member castillo

[7:54:54] >> small business support -- we

[7:54:58] need to connect to resources and

[7:54:59] explore store front programs to

[7:55:02] ensure we can -- in the same way

[7:55:05] we rehab homes, we can help them

[7:55:09] rehab their businesses.

[7:55:09] >> Mayor Nirenberg: good point.

[7:55:11] Some of these are important

[7:55:16] priorities to talk about in the

[7:55:17] recovery funds discussion we're

[7:55:18] going to have as well.

[7:55:20] Anyone else before I give it

[7:55:22] over to eric to reflect and

[7:55:28] we'll close from there.

[7:55:30] Go ahead, eric.

[7:55:30] Reflect

[7:55:33] >> I want to thank the council

[7:55:35] for two weeks back to back of

[7:55:39] really good conversations.

[7:55:41] The veteran council members will

[7:55:43] remember this, but for the new

[7:55:45] members of the city council,

[7:55:47] this is only the second time --

[7:55:49] last year we did it, we tried

[7:55:51] it -- this is the second time

[7:55:53] where we didn't have a

[7:55:55] facilitator to facilitate the

[7:55:55] conversation.

[7:55:59] Last year was an anomaly but

[7:56:01] I'll tell you that I think it

[7:56:04] flows better not having a

[7:56:06] facilitator who, GOD love him,

[7:56:08] always end up making a hand full

[7:56:11] of council members mad at some

[7:56:13] point of the day, which is what

[7:56:15] a city manager doesn't want to

[7:56:17] happen on a day like this.

[7:56:19] I think we've had good

[7:56:19] conversation.

[7:56:21] One of the things I've said at

[7:56:25] the beginning, mayor, is there

[7:56:28] are certain strategic themes,

[7:56:30] whether the annual budget or

[7:56:32] bond program or federal grants

[7:56:33] or arpa.

[7:56:36] A lot of what we've talked

[7:56:37] about, we should replicate.

[7:56:39] They don't change.

[7:56:41] That's part of a step of being

[7:56:43] strategic and mindful of the

[7:56:46] points on the horizon we're

[7:56:47] trying to get to.

[7:56:49] I want to thank the budget staff

[7:56:51] and executives and departments

[7:56:54] here today, the av.

[7:56:56] I think it was a fruitful day.

[7:56:58] We will begin the next chapter

[7:57:00] of budget development which will

[7:57:02] be the details in the month of

[7:57:03] JULY.

[7:57:06] We will look at -- thank you for

[7:57:08] summarizing the -- kind of what

[7:57:10] you heard -- I think it was a

[7:57:12] good take away for us.

[7:57:14] We're going to do as much as we

[7:57:16] can to stay as focused on the

[7:57:18] things I heard really as the top

[7:57:20] priorities across the board,

[7:57:22] things that we presented on,

[7:57:25] things that came up, like street

[7:57:28] lighting, that are really

[7:57:30] important to the community.

[7:57:34] So that's about as good of a

[7:57:35] reflection on the spot that I

[7:57:37] can give, mayor.

[7:57:40] Thank you to everybody and

[7:57:42] everybody behind me -- now the

[7:57:43] work begins.

[7:57:44] >> Mayor Nirenberg: thank you,

[7:57:44] eric.

[7:57:46] To be clear, there's a lot of

[7:57:47] ears behind us too.

[7:57:49] So I would encourage my

[7:57:50] colleagues to continue to talk

[7:57:52] to you and your staff because

[7:57:54] that's how the budget is

[7:57:56] ultimately going to be baked.

[7:57:58] Thank you to my colleagues.

[7:58:01] For those of us who have been

[7:58:03] back before but also those here

[7:58:05] for the first time, this is a

[7:58:06] great discussion.

[7:58:07] There's been a lot written about

[7:58:09] the new council, the new dynamic

[7:58:12] on the council and I think -- my

[7:58:15] observation is that there's

[7:58:17] already clearly -- with the

[7:58:19] number of prospectus around the

[7:58:21] table -- a very good marketplace

[7:58:22] around the table that I think

[7:58:24] our city will benefit from in

[7:58:26] the years to come from.

[7:58:27] I'm looking forward to the next

[7:58:28] steps of the budget process.

[7:58:31] Thank you for the candid

[7:58:31] dialogue.

[7:58:33] Please stay engaged.

[7:58:35] For those in the public and

[7:58:37] media who are observing council

[7:58:39] over the course of JULY, just

[7:58:40] because we're not meeting

[7:58:42] doesn't mean we're on vacation.

[7:58:44] In fact, the work really begins

[7:58:46] in earnest in JULY and we invite

[7:58:48] you to be part of that process

[7:58:48] as well.

[7:58:50] To the staff, thank you very

[7:58:52] much for making this a

[7:58:53] comfortable day.

[7:58:55] Appreciate everybody working

[7:58:58] through, and believe it or not,

[7:59:00] it is now 5:00 o'clock, right on

[7:59:03] the button, and we are

[7:59:04] adjourned.

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City Council Special Meeting on 2021-06-25 9:00 AM - Jun 25th, 2021

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