[6:44] and

[8:44] will

[13:42] get one.

[13:43] >> All right.

[13:47] Good morning, everyone.

[13:48] >> We're going to get started.

[13:49] I will now call the city

[13:49] council meeting of Tuesday,

[13:53] JUNE 30th, 2026 to order Clerk

[13:54] please call the roll.

[13:54] >> Thank you.

[13:55] Council PRESIDENT Council

[13:59] member Campbell.

[14:05] Council Member Campbell I do

[14:05] thank you.

[14:06] Council Member Whipper here

[14:11] Council Member Foster Council

[14:12] Zimmerman Labor Council

[14:13] PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee Council

[14:15] Member Campos here Council

[14:16] Member Moreno Council member

[14:17] Ella Rivera and Council

[14:22] PRESIDENT LaCava present Also

[14:22] attending the meeting our city

[14:23] Attorney Heather Ferber,

[14:24] Independent budget analyst

[14:28] Charles Mollica Council Affairs

[14:28] Advisor in the Mayor's office

[14:29] Curtis Eisner myself for City

[14:30] Clerk Diana Fuentes thank you.

[14:33] Council PRESIDENT All right.

[14:33] Thank you, City Clerk a quorum

[14:34] is now present.

[14:35] We will begin this morning with

[14:35] the land acknowledgment and

[14:36] the pledge of Allegiance let by

[14:37] council member camp.

[14:48] >> You We respectfully

[14:48] acknowledge that

[14:49] the communication are

[14:49] the original inhabitants of

[14:54] the Unceded land now known as

[14:55] San Diego.

[14:55] Despite the horrors of genocide

[14:56] and colonization, the community

[14:59] spirit remains unbroken.

[15:00] We honor the resilience of

[15:01] their ancestors who fought to

[15:02] protect their culture and land

[15:06] and today they carry their

[15:07] legacy forward ensuring that

[15:07] their traditions continue to

[15:08] thrive and gratitude and

[15:11] strength We stand with

[15:12] the culmination connected to

[15:13] our past and committed to a

[15:13] thriving future.

[15:18] Please space to flag and of

[15:18] your heart.

[15:18] Ready Begin.

[15:23] I pledge allegiance to the flag

[15:23] of the United States of America

[15:24] and to the Republic for which

[15:28] it stands One nation under GOD

[15:29] indivisible with liberty and

[15:33] justice for all.

[15:40] With that with that thought,

[15:41] please go over how the public

[15:41] can offer their testimony.

[15:42] Thank you.

[15:46] I'd like to highlight the slide

[15:46] on the screen that reveals how

[15:47] the public can offer their

[15:48] public testimony during today's

[15:48] meeting.

[15:49] Please note the time

[15:51] allocations for proclamations

[15:52] and consent items for meeting

[15:53] management purposes of one

[15:56] minute per item three minutes

[15:57] max for three or more items

[15:57] the order can be found on

[15:58] the agenda Summary found online

[16:03] or at the table in the back of

[16:03] the room.

[16:04] If you are in person please

[16:04] complete the speaker stipulated

[16:05] at the entrance of chambers and

[16:08] bring it to the front of

[16:08] the room in the clear box.

[16:09] Council ambassadors are

[16:10] available near the entrance of

[16:10] chambers and can assist with

[16:14] questions and speaker slips.

[16:14] No further in-person testimony

[16:15] will be taken once the council

[16:16] begins Virtual testimony Thank

[16:20] you Council PRESIDENT All

[16:20] right.

[16:21] Thank you for that To the clerk

[16:21] With that we will now dispense

[16:22] with the approval of

[16:25] the proclamation items.

[16:26] Clerk Please proceed with

[16:26] public comment.

[16:27] Thank you.

[16:27] The public library for

[16:28] the proclamations item is now

[16:31] open each speaker will have one

[16:32] minute per item per person.

[16:33] If you would like to speak on

[16:33] three or more items you'll have

[16:34] a maximum of three minutes.

[16:38] Proclamation items being

[16:39] approved are items 3332 at 500

[16:42] 5a1 and five before we did

[16:43] receive comments on item 31 in

[16:47] favor of your comment for which

[16:48] I've been distributed to

[16:48] the Council.

[16:49] We do have quite a number of

[16:54] speakers here for proclamations

[16:55] .

[16:55] If we can start with Jacob

[16:56] Lewis Edwards You're speaking

[16:59] on items 3032 and s5o1 If I can

[16:59] have the following individuals

[17:00] please come up to the yellow

[17:05] reserved seats at the front of

[17:05] the room.

[17:06] Mahalo Lenny Ariel Arriola if

[17:06] you can please come forward.

[17:11] Ron Lewis allegedly Audra

[17:17] Cushing, Lynn Elliot and

[17:18] Claudia Huang if you can please

[17:18] all come forward to the yellow

[17:19] reserved seats and please

[17:22] proceed.

[17:23] Good morning, COUNCILMAN And

[17:29] women Everybody in chambers.

[17:30] So I'm going to go over item 30

[17:34] and 32.

[17:34] Item five final one.

[17:39] Item 30 is a recognition a

[17:39] month of recognition for San

[17:40] Diego lgbtq Pride Month.

[17:45] >> That is great.

[17:45] That's awesome.

[17:51] Proclaiming JUNE 7th to be as

[17:51] three coffee bar 10th

[17:52] anniversary day.

[17:56] That's also that's really good

[17:57] and a city attorney recognition

[18:02] day now we go over a lot of

[18:03] recognition days and that is

[18:08] wonderful What's going on in

[18:09] our city folks as genocide This

[18:14] is well known If you look at a

[18:15] YouTube clip I spoke right here

[18:16] at this microphone Jacob

[18:20] Edwards speaks since that

[18:21] YouTube clip where you'll see

[18:27] my speech and I stood right

[18:27] here speaking to you all city

[18:32] council which transpired was a

[18:33] deal by the Federal Reserve

[18:33] families to cut with

[18:34] the Chinese to wipe out their

[18:38] debt of trillions and included

[18:38] a deal of genocide to occur to

[18:39] wipe out the best Our country

[18:44] has recruited from

[18:45] the Department of Homeland

[18:45] Security's database.

[18:46] >> We've lost a lot of lives in

[18:51] this country right here is

[18:52] the epicenter of it having a

[18:52] hard time dealing with this.

[18:56] But I ask why aren't we

[18:57] confronting this?

[18:57] Why isn't this discussed?

[19:02] People are given jobs

[19:03] assignments.

[19:03] People are given carrots.

[19:08] People are afraid.

[19:09] I have not once heard anybody

[19:15] in this community standing up

[19:15] like I do speaking loudly

[19:16] against it.

[19:21] It's well known I mentioned to

[19:21] somebody about the genocide

[19:22] yesterday and the guy started

[19:27] going into details of

[19:27] the operations thinking My GOD,

[19:33] this is more well known than I

[19:33] thought.

[19:34] Why isn't this discussed Folks,

[19:38] you are elected officials.

[19:39] You stand up for us as our

[19:44] elected officials for

[19:44] the people, by the people And

[19:45] that's what this country is

[19:50] about, folks not genocide, not

[19:51] Chinese taking over our country

[19:56] for a debt The Federal Reserve

[19:57] families owe them for trouble

[19:58] We were going through in our

[19:58] country They were going to

[20:02] appear to swoop in as our

[20:03] saviors but cut a deal of

[20:08] genocide.

[20:09] Folks, we need to start

[20:09] discussing this.

[20:10] I say we need to start standing

[20:14] up for ourselves.

[20:15] We need to start standing up

[20:16] for each other and start

[20:17] standing up for our country and

[20:24] the future of our country.

[20:25] >> Let's start discussing this

[20:25] Your time has concluded and

[20:26] standing up for ourselves and

[20:31] our country That's a good

[20:32] example of actually not talking

[20:32] to the proclamation items not

[20:33] agenda Public comment I do.

[20:36] Yeah we can talk about anything

[20:37] within the city's purview.

[20:37] Let's be respectful to members

[20:38] of the public.

[20:42] You don't have to be respectful

[20:42] possibly be respectful of those

[20:43] who come to the chambers this

[20:43] morning.

[20:44] >> Thank you.

[20:47] Mahalo.

[20:48] >> You're speaking on item 30.

[20:53] You'll have one minute on

[20:54] behalf of the center.

[20:54] Thank you.

[20:59] Council members for recognizing

[21:00] Pride Month visibility This

[21:01] visibility is vital to

[21:05] confronting discrimination and

[21:06] ensuring everyone feels

[21:07] accepted to live authentically

[21:11] despite the federal

[21:12] government's Despite

[21:12] the federal government's

[21:13] attempts at taking away our

[21:18] progress especially from our

[21:18] trans and non-binary community.

[21:23] It is beautiful to see my local

[21:24] government fight against those

[21:24] attempts.

[21:25] The city support makes San

[21:30] Diego feel safe, welcoming and

[21:30] a place to be proud of.

[21:31] Your leadership is deeply

[21:35] appreciated.

[21:36] I look forward to seeing

[21:36] the city advance towards true

[21:39] equity for the lgbtq community

[21:39] .

[21:48] >> Thank you Ron Luis you have

[21:48] demonstrated by Jeanette Amato

[21:51] did raise your hand.

[21:51] >> Thank you.

[21:52] You'll have two minutes.

[21:58] Please proceed.

[21:58] Thank you.

[21:59] Council PRESIDENT McCarver and

[21:59] Councilmember Campbell for

[22:03] proclaiming JUNE 2026 to be

[22:04] Alzheimer's and bring awareness

[22:09] about in the city of San Diego

[22:10] .

[22:11] As you heard my name is Ron

[22:11] Lewis.

[22:12] I currently serve as the board

[22:12] chair for the Alzheimer's

[22:13] Association of San Diego in

[22:16] Imperial County And on behalf

[22:16] of our chapter we are very

[22:17] honored and grateful to accept

[22:18] this proclamation from the city

[22:22] of San Diego Recognizing this

[22:23] month JUNE as the Alzheimer's

[22:24] and Brain Awareness Month this

[22:28] recognition so impactful and

[22:29] important because of the nearly

[22:29] 7 million Americans age 65 and

[22:34] older living with Alzheimer's

[22:34] disease Data has shown also

[22:35] that more than 75,000 of those

[22:40] Americans and those living in

[22:41] San Diego so that's caregivers

[22:46] Alzheimer's brain awareness

[22:47] Month was created to bring

[22:47] awareness to and honor those

[22:48] individuals as well as many

[22:52] more millions of friends and

[22:53] family members who are caring

[22:53] for someone living with

[22:54] the disease The Alzheimer's

[22:58] Association leads the way to

[22:59] end Alzheimer's and all other

[23:00] forms of dementia by

[23:00] accelerating global research

[23:04] driving risk reduction and

[23:05] early detection Here at home we

[23:06] support our community by

[23:10] conducting educational programs

[23:11] for caregivers and people who

[23:11] recently received an

[23:15] Alzheimer's diagnosis over

[23:16] the past 12 months our chapter

[23:17] has been able to provide free

[23:18] resources and support through

[23:22] our educational programs and

[23:27] support groups to $65 to 6500

[23:28] individuals in our local

[23:28] community.

[23:29] We're proud to offer these

[23:30] educational programs throughout

[23:33] San Diego in both English and

[23:34] in Spanish And we do host our

[23:39] annual walk to end Alzheimer's

[23:40] .

[23:41] >> And once again we'd like to

[23:41] thank you so much City of San

[23:46] Diego for recognizing JUNE as

[23:46] Alzheimer's Brain Awareness

[23:47] Health Month and we hope

[23:51] hopeful and confident that

[23:52] through our efforts one day

[23:52] will bring an end to

[23:52] Alzheimer's.

[23:53] >> Thank you.

[24:00] Allegedly all is beginning his

[24:00] 3500.

[24:01] >> As for everyone and as I go

[24:02] forward you'll have three

[24:02] minutes.

[24:08] Please proceed.

[24:09] >> You guys, we're all in this

[24:09] together like hostages, right?

[24:13] That's good.

[24:13] Yes.

[24:14] And I know what I'm going to

[24:19] say is going to be twisted and

[24:20] I'll be gaslit for it but

[24:25] that's okay because I come from

[24:26] a perspective where the truth

[24:26] matters and there's things that

[24:30] aren't addressed in these

[24:31] proclamations that should be

[24:32] like with Alzheimer's.

[24:32] My mother died of dementia with

[24:37] dementia and we don't really

[24:38] talk about the actual causes of

[24:38] these things and the detriment

[24:43] to heavy metals and things like

[24:44] fluoride too in our brain and

[24:49] our ability to function And

[24:50] when you know it's coming from

[24:51] the air, the water, the food

[24:56] and injections and so you know

[24:56] you guys promote those types of

[24:57] things and yet you say that you

[25:02] want to have awareness with

[25:02] that.

[25:03] So I think we should be aware

[25:03] that these things cause that

[25:06] and then anything to do with

[25:07] attorneys it's like they have a

[25:13] global allegiance through

[25:14] the British registry here.

[25:15] So it's like I mean obviously

[25:19] that is a problem and we're

[25:20] paying a city attorney to be up

[25:21] here and protect the city while

[25:25] they go after the people you

[25:26] know, like people who lost

[25:26] everything in a storm.

[25:32] So and then with this pride and

[25:32] the lgbtq plus my problem is as

[25:37] a victim of a pedophile, this

[25:38] is honoring maps which is minor

[25:39] attracted persons and it is on

[25:44] the pride progress flag And as

[25:44] a victim that's terrifying to

[25:50] me because you know that's

[25:50] talking about the rape of

[25:51] children And it's concerning

[25:55] that we are glorifying that as

[25:56] a sexual preference and

[25:56] especially people who have

[25:57] children.

[26:01] i don't understand the Russian

[26:02] roulette that's played with

[26:03] children like people think that

[26:07] their child is untouchable.

[26:08] But this is why it continues

[26:09] because the man that was

[26:12] abusing me for nine years was a

[26:12] victim himself.

[26:13] So he was a victim that became

[26:18] a predator because you don't

[26:19] when you're ten years old

[26:20] sexually assault babies unless

[26:24] you learned that behavior

[26:25] because you were yourself a

[26:26] victim And then you become

[26:33] the victimizer because nobody

[26:33] wants to talk about this stuff

[26:39] And and that is what is so

[26:40] nefarious because you shouldn't

[26:45] make victims feel like they are

[26:45] unwanted by promoting somebody

[26:51] who has sex with them, which

[26:52] that's what they say.

[26:52] But it again is rape.

[26:53] You can't have sex with

[26:53] the child.

[26:57] We have Scott Wiener who people

[26:57] support and he's the one who

[27:01] puts in bills who say if you're

[27:02] ten years apart that you can

[27:02] consent And that would mean

[27:06] that I could consent as a five

[27:07] year old for this man to groom

[27:07] me.

[27:08] >> And as I'm wearing a skirt

[27:11] he's putting on a garter How

[27:12] special is that official?

[27:12] >> And Eliot, you're speaking

[27:17] on item 32.

[27:18] Please proceed.

[27:18] Good morning.

[27:19] Council PRESIDENT, council

[27:24] members and members at the San

[27:24] Diego community.

[27:25] My name is Caitlin Elliott.

[27:26] She her her pronouns and I'm an

[27:29] executive director for San

[27:30] Diego Pride on behalf of San

[27:31] Diego Pride thank you so much

[27:31] for this proclamation.

[27:35] Recognizing Pride Month and

[27:36] the Resilience Contributions

[27:41] and Humanity of lgbtq People

[27:41] across our city.

[27:45] In just two weeks more than

[27:46] 250,000 people will gather for

[27:47] San Diego Pride Parade and

[27:47] Festival to celebrate

[27:52] the beauty and diversity of our

[27:52] community.

[27:53] I invite everyone that can hear

[27:54] my voice to come and sign on

[27:57] with us and gobble up our Canon

[27:58] Hillcrest.

[27:58] Together we will honor those

[27:59] who came before us celebrate

[28:03] who we are today and inspire

[28:04] the future that we are building

[28:04] together.

[28:05] The call to protect equality

[28:09] defend human dignity and ensure

[28:09] every lgbtq person can live

[28:15] openly and safely belongs to

[28:15] all of us every day of

[28:16] the year.

[28:16] So thank you for standing with

[28:22] our community and we look

[28:22] forward to celebrating with

[28:23] you.

[28:27] Claudia Call you one if I can

[28:28] come to the microphone then

[28:29] David Smith please come up to

[28:34] the other reserved seats.

[28:35] Claudia you have people filling

[28:36] your time.

[28:36] Shall we call them to come?

[28:39] Please raise your hand, Shall

[28:39] we?

[28:40] >> Well, I'm sorry if I'm

[28:40] misstating your name.

[28:44] Please raise your hand and then

[28:45] Hector Davis.

[28:45] Thank you.

[28:48] You'll have three minutes to

[28:49] talk on item 32.

[28:49] Good morning, Council members.

[28:54] First of all, thank you so much

[28:54] for having us here.

[28:55] My name is Claudia and I'm here

[28:56] to represent my family and

[29:00] everybody from s3 Coffee Bar.

[29:05] We are so honored for this

[29:06] proclamation And ten years ago

[29:06] me and my sisters opened this

[29:12] coffee shop for my mom and

[29:12] Grabell San Diego.

[29:13] We were trying to create a

[29:17] welcoming space for people to

[29:18] kind of just talk and hang out

[29:18] with our own neighbors because

[29:23] we didn't see that then ten

[29:24] years ago.

[29:28] But every now ten years from

[29:29] now we never imagine

[29:29] the incredible community that

[29:30] we have built in that area.

[29:34] And we are incredibly lucky to

[29:35] have such good neighbors first

[29:40] responders, local schools,

[29:40] local organizations that have

[29:41] supported us throughout this

[29:42] whole entire time.

[29:46] I don't think that's what's

[29:46] going to be possible.

[29:47] You know and everybody that had

[29:48] walked in through the doors to

[29:52] support us, we are incredibly

[29:53] lucky.

[29:53] Thank you so much for this

[29:54] proclamation.

[29:59] Thank you.

[29:59] David Smith David Smith, you

[30:00] have Daniel Smith asking your

[30:00] time.

[30:03] Please raise your hand and you

[30:04] please raise your hand.

[30:04] Thank you.

[30:05] Thank you.

[30:06] And Daniel Smith, please raise

[30:10] your hand.

[30:11] >> You'll have three minutes.

[30:11] Please proceed.

[30:12] Thank you.

[30:13] Good morning, Council members.

[30:16] My name is David Smith and

[30:17] the ceo of Eldorado Properties

[30:17] in the Great Lakes community.

[30:18] On behalf of my family that are

[30:23] here this morning, I'd like to

[30:23] thank the Council for

[30:24] the proclamation celebrating

[30:25] today JUNE 30th as Eldorado

[30:28] Properties Day in the city of

[30:29] San Diego as we celebrate our

[30:29] 40th anniversary.

[30:34] Celebrating anniversaries are

[30:35] no short milestone and we

[30:36] believe that the 40th year of

[30:36] operations serving San Diego

[30:40] and the mission Valley area

[30:41] helping families find homes and

[30:41] businesses find places to to

[30:46] work and to thrive.

[30:47] It's been a great honor.

[30:47] We would like to furthermore

[30:48] think elsewhere Capital for his

[30:52] tireless work and incredible

[30:53] community and just the general

[30:53] betterment of District seven.

[30:58] He's a true champion of

[30:59] the City Council as many of you

[30:59] are for our great city.

[31:00] So we thank you for

[31:01] the proclamation and look

[31:04] forward to many more years of

[31:05] our families Business thriving

[31:05] to come.

[31:06] >> Thank you.

[31:06] Thank you.

[31:07] That does conclude public

[31:10] comment on proclamations here

[31:10] in council chambers I'm sorry

[31:11] the five minute timer going to

[31:12] those participating remotely

[31:17] starting with Blair Beekman If

[31:18] you can please email and let me

[31:18] know which item or items you

[31:23] wish to speak to.

[31:28] >> I'm Blair Beekman Happy

[31:29] student Your last day of

[31:29] the month to everyone I wanted

[31:34] to speak to the items let me

[31:34] get my board here.

[31:35] Item 30.

[31:39] Item 32 An item as final for

[31:40] about three minutes.

[31:45] >> Please proceed.

[31:45] Thank you.

[31:50] I guess it's a speak to lgbtq

[31:51] Pride month.

[31:52] Congratulations that it's here.

[31:57] I've been living in here one of

[31:58] the past few years and they

[31:59] have a great pride parade at

[32:02] the end of JUNE.

[32:03] They just had it this past

[32:04] Saturday.

[32:08] There it was easily over You

[32:09] know, 1500 people in the parade

[32:09] in the MARCH big all around

[32:14] the downtown area And it's a

[32:14] big festival.

[32:15] It's really nice here.

[32:20] And so I've been learning just

[32:21] that it's a good event and I've

[32:26] been enjoying it here And so I

[32:27] just wanted to mention that

[32:28] good luck and how we can think

[32:31] of our good value systems in

[32:36] Gay Pride Month.

[32:38] I wanted to comment on also as

[32:41] I'm 32 the coffee bar

[32:42] Congratulations to the coffee

[32:42] bar.

[32:47] I wanted to note that I've been

[32:48] living in Tijuana off and on

[32:48] for the past few years now.

[32:51] I've been very much enjoying it

[32:52] .

[32:52] The cafes here and the coffee

[32:53] is mostly usually always

[32:58] organic coffee usually from

[32:59] corpus area and a note to our

[33:03] American coffee and cafe bars

[33:04] that are using organic coffee.

[33:05] It's a lot healthier and it

[33:09] just makes your body feel much

[33:09] more comfortable and better

[33:14] good looking in American cafes

[33:15] using organic coffee more

[33:15] often.

[33:20] >> And finally I'm sure as it's

[33:21] free coffee, does our organic

[33:22] choices sound like a good bar?

[33:25] I hope we can help.

[33:26] And with items Bible for

[33:27] Alzheimer's Brain Awareness

[33:35] Month I wanted to comment on I

[33:36] guess you know to say it I grew

[33:36] up actually in my 20s.

[33:40] i'm in my late 50s now in my

[33:40] 20s I was labeled as

[33:41] schizophrenic and I fought hard

[33:45] to get out of that label And to

[33:46] me Alzheimer's is kind of

[33:49] the other end of the scale of

[33:50] that in some ways and sometimes

[33:51] there's a lot of chemical

[33:54] reactions that are happening in

[33:55] one's brain.

[33:56] There is also just a mind frame

[34:00] in how we share our social

[34:01] space and communication

[34:05] together that tends to promote

[34:06] such things as Alzheimer's and

[34:06] schizophrenia.

[34:07] We have to be I mean that's why

[34:11] a part of the reason I sit up

[34:11] here every week trying to speak

[34:12] so clearly on good

[34:16] communication If we have good

[34:16] clear communication with each

[34:17] other, that's what ends

[34:17] Alzheimer's.

[34:21] That's what end schizophrenia.

[34:21] But we purposely put up walls,

[34:26] boundaries and guardrail walls

[34:27] that we don't talk to ourselves

[34:28] more often good about how we

[34:28] just communicate better with

[34:31] each other.

[34:32] It's really important and I'm

[34:33] really sorry about the recent

[34:37] lgbtq events that happened up

[34:37] in Hillcrest.

[34:38] Surveillance video caught

[34:43] the people who were causing

[34:43] problems.

[34:44] >> I want to talk to public

[34:44] comment time more about

[34:45] the subject.

[34:45] I thank you.

[34:48] Thank you.

[34:48] Next is Jennifer Watson.

[34:49] If you can please let me know

[34:50] which item or items you wish to

[34:52] speak to.

[34:58] Academy for you You will have

[34:59] to unmute.

[34:59] >> There you go.

[34:59] Hello.

[35:02] Yes I am I'm on item I believe

[35:08] it's 30 the lgb choose yes

[35:08] he'll have one minute Please

[35:09] proceed I'm I just think that

[35:13] of course everyone is free to

[35:14] live their own way but what I

[35:17] do not think is appropriate is

[35:18] how they parade themselves

[35:22] through the streets in doing

[35:23] just disgusting sexual things

[35:27] Like I can't say oh well you

[35:28] can't be this but I if I can

[35:32] get arrested for doing improper

[35:33] sexual things out there like

[35:38] pulling down my pants are going

[35:39] to the bathroom on the street I

[35:40] don't believe that these people

[35:43] should be out there parading

[35:48] these what they do their their

[35:48] sexual orientation and it's

[35:49] disgusting.

[35:52] It's okay to be gay but it's

[35:53] disgusting And I don't think

[35:57] that we should have a whole

[35:58] month to to advertise that kind

[36:03] of garbage to our children.

[36:04] I mean you guys need to get

[36:04] your head straight and realize

[36:08] you gay is gay but that that

[36:09] kind of parading and disgusting

[36:13] this throughout our streets

[36:14] that's on it's that your time

[36:15] has concluded 8700 if you can

[36:17] please unmute the five minute

[36:18] timer has also concluded there

[36:19] are two speakers in the queue

[36:22] No additional speakers will be

[36:23] taken 8700 Please let me know

[36:24] which item or items you wish to

[36:28] speak to.

[36:32] Yes 3501 and 504 please.

[36:35] >> Yes I think you'll have two

[36:36] minutes please Pressing Oh I'm

[36:36] sorry.

[36:37] >> Did you say three?

[36:40] Please proceed.

[36:40] Thank you.

[36:44] 30 San Diego lgbtq Plus Pride

[36:49] Month There is a rainbow right

[36:50] there in that acronym.

[36:50] I just discovered that last

[36:53] night.

[36:54] It always thrills me that when

[36:58] I look at the natural world I

[36:59] see an infinite abundant

[37:04] rainbow of variety everywhere.

[37:04] Let's join together and

[37:08] celebrate the beautiful

[37:09] tapestry of San Diego woven

[37:14] into all of life.

[37:17] Love to all as 501 Senior

[37:18] Deputy City Attorney John

[37:22] Taylor Gay I haven't Met You

[37:22] Senior Deputy City Attorney

[37:28] Taylor yet I am wowed by these

[37:36] numbers in litigation 85.2

[37:36] million recovery help the city

[37:41] collect over $250 million in t

[37:45] or t revenue for the people of

[37:45] San Diego.

[37:51] I wish we could give you back a

[37:55] percentage on all the mass.

[37:59] Thank you and also a big thank

[38:00] you to the work of the entire

[38:01] office of the city attorney You

[38:05] are always in the background

[38:06] forefront supporting the rule

[38:10] of law which is the foundation

[38:10] of our democracy.

[38:15] We appreciate it and value all

[38:16] of you at the office of

[38:16] the City Attorney.

[38:20] We love you all.

[38:20] Thank you.

[38:21] You know I'm going to go for

[38:24] I'm going to tell you a story a

[38:28] beautiful story For many years

[38:28] 12 or more I had a massage

[38:32] client and she was well already

[38:33] into her 80s when I started

[38:37] with her and she developed

[38:42] Alzheimer's early on And so I,

[38:42] I saw her every week

[38:43] practically And so I

[38:44] established quite a

[38:47] relationship with her and saw

[38:48] her process And toward the end

[38:52] she didn't know me anymore And

[38:57] her daughter.

[38:58] So we talked about and her

[38:59] daughter said I want you to

[39:02] keep coming.

[39:03] And she felt Mary felt

[39:04] comfortable with me coming And

[39:07] you know what I discovered

[39:11] There was a spirit in us.

[39:12] It never ages it I discovered

[39:16] it in Mary.

[39:17] She didn't know me but she knew

[39:20] her life.

[39:21] She did.

[39:22] And I just wanted to share that

[39:25] with you that it's a difficult

[39:25] journey.

[39:26] I know that for parents and

[39:27] children and everything but

[39:30] never give up on the spirit of

[39:30] life.

[39:31] It's always there.

[39:35] It's unchanging.

[39:35] Thank you so much.

[39:36] I celebrate all the voices

[39:40] speaking today.

[39:40] Let's stick together.

[39:41] Okay.

[39:41] Love to all time has concluded

[39:44] Judy Strong If you can please

[39:45] unmute after that our last

[39:49] speaker is Amanda.

[39:50] >> Good morning City Council I

[39:53] would like to speak to item

[39:54] five for I'm glad for this

[39:58] opportunity to have a map

[39:59] focused on Alzheimer's and

[39:59] brain awareness.

[40:03] I sometimes feel that they

[40:04] should be very much separated

[40:08] because brain and Alzheimer's

[40:08] and other types of debilitating

[40:13] diseases that affect the brain

[40:13] and to a certain extent

[40:14] traumatic brain injury sort of

[40:17] seem like they have their own

[40:18] awareness and then those issues

[40:22] associated with the development

[40:23] of the brain and how important

[40:28] it is to be sensitive about

[40:28] this development of young

[40:29] people growing into a young

[40:32] adult and to do the best to

[40:32] protect their brain.

[40:36] And I was reminded of the old

[40:37] adage a mind is a terrible

[40:37] thing to waste.

[40:41] This is very much a part of

[40:42] the 1970s and it's still in

[40:46] play now And I would remind us

[40:50] all that we know that at ages

[40:51] 12 to 25 this is specifically a

[40:55] risky time for young people to

[40:55] smoke, vape or consume

[40:56] marijuana because the brain is

[40:58] developed over time has

[40:58] concluded.

[41:03] Amanda if you can please unmute

[41:04] please let me know which item

[41:08] or items you wish to speak to.

[41:11] Yeah I am speaking that item 31

[41:12] and 32 two minutes.

[41:16] >> Please proceed.

[41:17] I just wanted to say I love

[41:21] when we celebrate the heroes of

[41:22] our community and we give voice

[41:23] to underrepresented groups with

[41:26] these proclamations.

[41:27] I love it and warms my heart

[41:28] Sense of community Love it,

[41:31] love it.

[41:35] However I am 31 and 32 or

[41:36] celebrating a real estate

[41:40] agency and a coffee bar.

[41:41] I would just like to say that

[41:42] when I was a small business

[41:45] owner I like many other small

[41:46] businesses, paid thousands of

[41:50] dollars and invested many hours

[41:51] into marketing in the hope of

[41:51] getting just a few leads and

[41:54] drumming up just a bit of

[41:55] business.

[41:55] I wish they would have known

[41:59] that all I had to do was cozy

[42:00] up to Raul Campo so I could get

[42:00] city wide marketing on

[42:04] the taxpayer's dime.

[42:04] Raul I don't think this helps

[42:05] you beat the charges that you

[42:09] have allowed developers to

[42:09] ravage your district for

[42:13] instance the two thing the two

[42:13] single family lots next door to

[42:16] my stepdad that were replaced

[42:17] by a 26 unit development with

[42:22] no parking required as much as

[42:22] I support small businesses and

[42:23] I think our city council should

[42:26] do the same I don't think this

[42:27] is an appropriate use of our

[42:28] tax dollars and hope you guys

[42:28] can find a better way to

[42:32] support small business.

[42:32] >> Thanks.

[42:33] That does conclude public

[42:33] comment on the proclamation.

[42:36] I guess all right.

[42:36] Thank you, City Clerk.

[42:37] And with that we'll turn it

[42:38] over to council members for

[42:39] comments and entertain a motion

[42:41] and we'll start with Council

[42:42] Member Campo Thank you Council

[42:43] PRESIDENT And thank you to

[42:43] the members of the public for

[42:46] your participation today I'll

[42:46] move approval of

[42:47] the proclamations start briefly

[42:51] Absolute Lee thrilled to

[42:52] support San Diego lgbtq plus

[42:53] Pride Month Proclamation Thank

[42:56] my colleagues for bringing that

[42:57] forward.

[42:57] I cannot wait to join everyone

[42:58] on this dais at the annual

[42:59] Pride Parade in a couple of

[43:00] weeks.

[43:01] I've said it before and I'll

[43:02] say it again Pride in San Diego

[43:05] is so much more special since

[43:06] we have the entire summer to

[43:07] celebrate it both in JUNE and

[43:08] JULY so that we can acknowledge

[43:11] the contributions of the lgbtq

[43:11] Plus community to San Diego

[43:12] whether it was serving in

[43:16] the military, serving in

[43:17] government, in education, law

[43:20] enforcement, the arts sciences

[43:20] and medicine small and big

[43:21] business hospitality and

[43:25] tourism, civil rights and civic

[43:26] advocacy.

[43:26] And while many in power MAY be

[43:27] trying to set the lgbtq plus

[43:31] community back, nothing can

[43:31] hold us back in that pursuit

[43:32] for justice and equality.

[43:34] So happy pride San Diego and

[43:35] I'm proud to support that.

[43:39] I will also be speaking to two

[43:39] items that I'm bringing

[43:39] forward.

[43:40] I'm honored to celebrate two

[43:41] amazing businesses that are

[43:44] reaching a very nice milestone

[43:45] sions from the Grant

[43:46] neighborhood both of which were

[43:46] in chamber here today.

[43:48] First congratulations to El

[43:48] Dorado Properties on

[43:49] celebrating their 40 years of

[43:52] serving San Diego since its

[43:53] founding four decades ago In

[43:54] JUNE of 1986 this family owned

[43:57] business has built a legacy of

[43:57] integrity and professionalism

[43:58] and long term investment in our

[44:01] neighborhoods helping

[44:02] generations of families and

[44:02] putting down roots for

[44:03] businesses.

[44:07] Eldorado Properties has been a

[44:08] cornerstone of the Navajo and

[44:08] Granville communities not only

[44:09] through property management and

[44:12] real estate services but

[44:12] helping shape the area in many

[44:16] years passed their leadership

[44:17] in the long term Granville

[44:18] rezoning effort and their

[44:20] commitment to thoughtful

[44:21] redevelopment have helped

[44:22] position these neighborhoods

[44:22] for continued growth and

[44:26] opportunity.

[44:26] There are working class and low

[44:27] income San Diego who have a

[44:30] home they can afford in our

[44:31] city because the Smith family

[44:31] saw a better future for

[44:35] Granville years before people

[44:36] started talking about it.

[44:37] So I want to thank them Daniel,

[44:39] Danielle and David and

[44:40] the entire Eldorado Properties

[44:41] team for your commitment to

[44:41] revitalizing our community

[44:44] projects like

[44:45] the transformation of the long

[44:46] vacant property on Fairmont

[44:46] Avenue into thriving homes and

[44:49] local small businesses

[44:49] demonstrate that positive

[44:50] impact that community minded

[44:51] leadership can serve.

[44:54] So for those decades of service

[44:54] and investment and partnership

[44:55] I thank them.

[44:56] But I also want to point out

[44:59] this the Smith family has also

[45:00] put so much time and effort

[45:00] into representing the Navajo

[45:04] community as board members of

[45:05] the Navajo Planning Group and

[45:05] to the cpc as well.

[45:06] There are few families that

[45:08] have put so much time into

[45:09] volunteering and balancing

[45:10] the needs of diverse

[45:10] communities of businesses and

[45:13] residents like they have.

[45:14] They truly know every road in

[45:15] the community, every sidewalk

[45:18] and park every canyon and

[45:19] the history that comes from

[45:19] that.

[45:20] So I congratulate them on this

[45:20] historic milestone and wish

[45:23] them continued success And one

[45:24] day soon we'll get the Alvarado

[45:28] Creek realignment done.

[45:28] And next I'm honored to

[45:29] celebrate s-3 Coffee Bar on

[45:32] their 10th anniversary, Claudio

[45:33] conquered said it better than I

[45:34] ever could she and her family

[45:37] and the entire s-3 coffee bar

[45:38] team are celebrating ten years

[45:38] of exceptional service and one

[45:39] of District Seven's most

[45:42] welcoming gathering places

[45:42] regularly packed with college

[45:43] students sitting next to

[45:46] seniors who are sitting next to

[45:47] families who are sitting next

[45:48] to folks who own their own home

[45:48] sitting next to folks who live

[45:50] in permanent supportive housing

[45:51] .

[45:51] They serve everyone who's their

[45:52] neighbor no matter what.

[45:56] So what began as a neighborhood

[45:57] coffee shop in Granville is now

[45:58] a true community institution.

[46:01] You don't just grab a coffee

[46:02] there, you meet your neighbors

[46:02] and friendships are formed

[46:05] there And it's one of my

[46:05] favorite places to hold a

[46:06] coffee with Campo Town Hall.

[46:09] So they've helped redefine

[46:10] the character of Granville by

[46:11] creating this warm and inviting

[46:13] space and I congratulate them

[46:14] on their 10th year in service

[46:15] And I know there's just many

[46:19] more decades to come.

[46:19] That concludes my motion.

[46:20] Council PRESIDENT All right.

[46:21] Thank you, sir.

[46:23] So we have a motion by council

[46:24] member Camp Hill to move.

[46:25] The proclamations will go next

[46:28] to Council member Kimball Thank

[46:29] you Council PRESIDENT And I

[46:30] would first like to

[46:33] congratulate everyone who's

[46:34] receiving a plaque and every

[46:37] group receiving a project and I

[46:38] would like to second

[46:38] the motion.

[46:41] I would like to speak on item

[46:42] 30 and item s5o4 And I want to

[46:46] thank Mayor Mayor Todd Gloria

[46:46] and all council members

[46:47] Whitburn and Von Wilpert for

[46:50] joining me in bringing forward

[46:54] this proclamation for Pride

[46:55] declares JULY 2026 is San Diego

[46:59] lgbtq Pride Month in the City

[47:00] of San Diego and we will be

[47:04] celebrating all month.

[47:05] This is truly there is nothing

[47:09] as wonderful as joy and the joy

[47:10] of pride in San Diego is

[47:15] fabulous 250,000 San Diegans

[47:20] gay and straight of all creeds,

[47:24] all colors show up to enjoy

[47:25] the celebration of pride And

[47:26] this is celebrated because for

[47:30] so long as Audra mentioned

[47:31] things like this were not even

[47:35] mentioned And it's very

[47:35] important that we not have

[47:36] these kinds of things as

[47:36] secrets.

[47:39] We need to know what really

[47:40] exists in the world and that

[47:44] it's okay As a gay person I can

[47:45] tell you how I struggled with

[47:49] this because I'm 81 years old

[47:50] so I can tell you that it took

[47:53] me a long time to accept myself

[47:54] but I was born this way and

[47:55] Lady Gaga said it and she was

[48:00] right.

[48:01] We are being our authentic

[48:05] selves and we want everyone to

[48:06] be their authentic self no

[48:07] matter what kind of self they

[48:07] are.

[48:13] We are accepting in this

[48:14] community especially in San

[48:17] Diego has provided safety,

[48:18] acceptance and refuge for

[48:19] countless people seeking

[48:22] the freedom to live as their

[48:23] authentic selves.

[48:23] The progress we celebrate today

[48:27] was fought for by generations

[48:28] of advocates and leaders who

[48:32] paved the way for us as we

[48:32] gather this year we recognize

[48:33] that many of the rights and

[48:36] freedoms we fought for are now

[48:37] being challenged.

[48:37] Yet our community continues to

[48:41] do what it has always done.

[48:42] We will show up with

[48:46] resilience, courage and joy

[48:47] because even joy is an act of

[48:51] resistance.

[48:52] We must never allow anyone to

[48:53] take away our ability to love,

[48:55] to be happy or to be exactly

[49:00] who we are.

[49:01] I also would like to speak on

[49:02] Item s5 Over for Alzheimer's

[49:04] and Brain Awareness Month.

[49:05] It is so important to continue

[49:06] to acknowledge the suffering

[49:09] that Alzheimer's disease can

[49:10] cause not only among our older

[49:14] population who suffer from it

[49:15] but from the families and

[49:16] the caregivers who help those

[49:19] who have this terrible disease

[49:20] .

[49:20] We praise the scientific

[49:24] medical research that can

[49:25] continue to find causes and

[49:29] treatment for this.

[49:33] And as of 2025 there were

[49:34] 75,000 San Diego and as Ron

[49:34] said, who are living with

[49:38] Alzheimer's disease.

[49:39] Many family members of

[49:39] the people with Alzheimer's are

[49:43] so affected they often have to

[49:44] leave their jobs to give full

[49:48] time unpaid care to the loved

[49:48] one with Alzheimer's by

[49:49] recognizing and Alzheimer's and

[49:53] brain Awareness Month, we're

[49:53] reaffirming San Diego's

[49:57] commitment to supporting people

[49:58] affected by Alzheimer's and

[49:58] other dementias and

[50:02] the importance of continued

[50:03] research so that we can improve

[50:04] the means of diagnosis and

[50:07] hopefully find a cure.

[50:08] >> Thank you, Council

[50:08] PRESIDENT.

[50:09] All right.

[50:13] Thank you.

[50:14] So we have a motion by

[50:14] Councilmember Campo and a

[50:15] second by council member

[50:15] Campbell.

[50:16] We'll go next to our city

[50:18] attorney.

[50:18] Thank you.

[50:19] Council PRESIDENT.

[50:20] I'd like to speak on item s5o1

[50:20] today.

[50:23] It is my honor to recognize

[50:23] the remarkable career and

[50:24] service of John Taylor.

[50:27] For more than 19 years John

[50:28] Taylor has served the city of

[50:28] San Diego as a deputy city

[50:32] attorney with great dedication.

[50:33] John is retiring after more

[50:35] than 34 years in the legal

[50:36] profession building a legacy

[50:40] defined by professionalism,

[50:41] diligence and integrity.

[50:42] He is a lifelong San Diegan.

[50:45] He grew up in University City

[50:46] in La Hoya attending Marie

[50:46] Curie Elementary, La Hoya

[50:49] Country de Maryland's Junior

[50:50] High and La Hoya High School.

[50:54] Throughout his tenure with

[50:55] the city attorney's office,

[50:55] John represented the city with

[50:56] great skill and tenacity for

[50:59] the majority of the cases he

[51:00] handled.

[51:00] John represented the city as a

[51:01] plaintiff in contract disputes

[51:04] and complex construction

[51:05] litigation frequently going up

[51:06] against well-funded companies

[51:09] and their big law attorneys

[51:09] through negotiations and

[51:10] litigation with online travel

[51:14] companies and short term rental

[51:14] platforms.

[51:15] John also helped the city

[51:15] collect millions in transient

[51:19] occupancy tax revenue.

[51:19] But beyond the numbers, what

[51:20] stands out most is the way John

[51:23] showed up in the office And for

[51:24] his colleagues who mentioned

[51:25] his mentorship, his

[51:28] collaborative spirit and his

[51:29] commitment to public service.

[51:30] His presence has helped shape a

[51:33] positive positive culture and

[51:33] the city attorney's office that

[51:34] will continue long after his

[51:34] retirement.

[51:38] And of course John is not

[51:38] walking this path alone.

[51:39] He deeply appreciate

[51:42] the support of his colleagues

[51:43] and his family and friends.

[51:44] Here with John are his wife

[51:44] Tammy and his parents.

[51:49] John at home his two children

[51:49] couldn't be here but I know

[51:50] they're cheering him on in

[51:50] spirit.

[51:52] I'm happy to celebrate senior

[51:53] Deputy City Attorney John

[51:53] Taylor Day and the city of San

[51:54] Diego.

[51:55] Congratulations, John and thank

[52:19] you for your service.

[52:20] Now John, I know you're kind of

[52:21] shy and it's hard for you to

[52:24] take all this at elation, but

[52:25] give us a couple of words.

[52:25] Yeah.

[52:29] Thank you so much for the warm

[52:29] words.

[52:30] City Attorney Ferber and

[52:31] Council member Von Wilpert for

[52:34] also sponsoring the commission.

[52:35] First I'd like to congratulate

[52:35] everyone else who got

[52:36] proclamation today.

[52:39] That's a big deal.

[52:40] I want to thank Tammy and my

[52:40] parents for being here because

[52:43] Tammy went on this journey with

[52:43] me.

[52:44] >> We got married after my

[52:45] first year in law school and

[52:45] she's been there for the whole

[52:46] ride throughout it.

[52:49] And my book club guys, I am

[52:49] surprised that they're all

[52:50] here.

[52:50] These are guys who I went to

[52:53] junior high and high school

[52:54] with and so we're together and

[52:54] it's fun.

[52:58] And lastly I want to thank you

[52:58] know, I couldn't have done all

[52:59] this without the team And that

[53:00] team is the city attorney's

[53:03] office.

[53:04] And so a special thanks to my

[53:04] current secretary Sue Benson

[53:08] who's been with me for probably

[53:08] 10 or 11 years Danielle Posset

[53:09] who's my paralegal.

[53:13] She'd been with me for about 15

[53:13] years and currently Eric and

[53:14] Grandy.

[53:17] And actually Sean Brown is here

[53:18] who was my investigator for 11

[53:18] years.

[53:18] He retired in 2019.

[53:22] So this is a special day.

[53:23] >> It is the coolest thing

[53:23] ever.

[53:41] And thank you so much.

[53:42] >> All right.

[53:42] Thank you for that.

[53:43] And we'll go next to council

[53:44] member weapon.

[53:46] Thank you very much.

[53:46] Council PRESIDENT.

[53:47] I want to thank our council

[53:48] PRESIDENT And Councilmember

[53:50] Campbell for bringing forward

[53:51] the proclamation recognizing

[53:51] Alzheimer's and Brain Awareness

[53:52] Month.

[53:56] Alzheimer's disease affects

[53:57] thousands of San Diego families

[53:57] and I want to thank all

[53:59] the organizations like

[54:00] the Alzheimer's Association and

[54:01] others that support these

[54:05] families who are often

[54:06] caregiving for a loved one at

[54:06] home.

[54:10] There has been a lot of

[54:11] impressive breakthroughs in

[54:11] treatment recently, but there

[54:12] is so much more to do in terms

[54:15] of research and I appreciate

[54:16] everybody who is working so

[54:16] hard to support that.

[54:21] Thank you to the mayor and my

[54:22] colleagues for bringing forward

[54:22] the proclamation congratulating

[54:25] Council General R.D. De Castro

[54:25] for his outstanding work as

[54:26] honorary Consul General of

[54:26] the Philippines.

[54:30] Now more than ever, diplomacy

[54:31] is necessary to not only

[54:34] establish strong bilateral

[54:35] relations but also to

[54:36] understand and support the many

[54:36] nationalities that call our

[54:39] city home.

[54:40] We're lucky to have a great

[54:41] example of this Consul General

[54:44] de Castro.

[54:45] I do appreciate the city

[54:45] attorney and Councilmember Vogt

[54:46] Wilpert for bringing forward

[54:49] the recognition for a deputy

[54:50] city attorney John Taylor Day.

[54:50] I would like to congratulate

[54:53] MR. Taylor on 19 years at

[54:54] the city.

[54:54] Thank you for your service and

[54:58] enjoy your retirement.

[54:58] Now let me thank everybody who

[54:59] is here for the proclamation

[55:03] recognizing San Diego lgbt

[55:03] Pride Month.

[55:04] Over the years the lgbtq

[55:07] community has made great

[55:08] progress in our journey toward

[55:09] equality and that is especially

[55:12] true here in San Diego.

[55:13] I am proud that we have a mayor

[55:14] and three council members who

[55:17] are members of the lgbtq

[55:18] community.

[55:18] In fact the district that I

[55:19] represent has been represented

[55:22] by a member the lgbtq community

[55:23] since 1993.

[55:27] Chris Kehoe was elected to

[55:28] represent this district 33

[55:29] years ago followed by Toni

[55:29] Atkins.

[55:33] Todd Gloria and Chris Ward

[55:33] before me.

[55:34] Maybe the district that has

[55:37] been most extensively

[55:37] represented by a member of

[55:38] the lgbtq community in our

[55:42] country.

[55:42] Just as importantly, I am proud

[55:43] that every single one of my

[55:47] colleagues on this council who

[55:47] do not have the good fortune of

[55:48] being members of the lgbtq

[55:51] community are staunch allies of

[55:52] our community.

[55:52] They are vocal supporters of

[55:56] the lgbtq community.

[55:57] They attend community events

[55:58] and they are part of the reason

[56:01] why San Diego is one of

[56:02] the most lgbtq friendly cities

[56:02] in the nation.

[56:05] I am grateful to them.

[56:06] I'm also grateful to all of

[56:07] you.

[56:07] You are also a big part of

[56:10] the reason why this is such an

[56:11] lgbt friendly city.

[56:12] Thank you to all of you who

[56:12] represent organizations that

[56:15] serve the lgbtq community.

[56:16] The Center say Diego Pride

[56:19] The Imperial Court, all of our

[56:20] city employees who are members

[56:21] of the lgbtq community and so

[56:24] many more to collaborate.

[56:25] Ramirez, who is one of our

[56:29] community's trailblazers, is

[56:30] here to call, was a co-founder

[56:31] of San Diego Pride more than a

[56:31] half century ago.

[56:34] I think 1974 if I'm not

[56:35] mistaken.

[56:35] He's here with this year's

[56:39] Pride titleholders.

[56:40] We had a ceremony honoring them

[56:40] a short time ago.

[56:44] It's particularly important

[56:45] that all of you are so visible

[56:45] and I'm grateful that my

[56:49] colleagues are vocal during

[56:49] these times.

[56:50] I mentioned the progress

[56:53] the community has made but we

[56:54] have a long way to go around

[56:54] the world.

[56:58] Same sex relationships remain

[56:59] illegal in more than 60

[57:00] countries and in nearly a dozen

[57:00] of them.

[57:04] Being gay is punishable by

[57:04] death.

[57:05] It's hard to wrap your head

[57:06] around that this day and age.

[57:09] But in nearly a dozen countries

[57:09] being gay is punishable by

[57:10] death.

[57:10] And here at home we continue to

[57:13] see efforts to dehumanize and

[57:13] discriminate against our

[57:14] transgender siblings.

[57:18] We continue to see things like

[57:19] the eggs thrown at members of

[57:19] the lgbtq community in

[57:22] Hillcrest.

[57:23] A couple of weekends ago we had

[57:24] somebody a year or two ago come

[57:28] by and shoot pellet guns at

[57:29] people standing outside

[57:29] the bars there.

[57:30] I'm just sick and tired of that

[57:32] folks.

[57:33] These were teenagers a couple

[57:33] of weekends ago who should know

[57:34] better.

[57:37] From what I know they are

[57:37] generally bright kids who went

[57:41] to really good schools.

[57:42] And here they are throwing eggs

[57:46] at members of the lgbtq

[57:47] community.

[57:47] I'm glad they were caught and I

[57:48] hope that somebody talk some

[57:51] sense into them.

[57:52] And of course at the national

[57:53] level the lgbtq community is

[57:56] seeing its rights chipped away

[57:57] by this federal administration,

[58:01] by the Supreme Court and a

[58:01] ruling that was announced

[58:02] today.

[58:02] So as we celebrate say Diego

[58:06] Pride, we can be grateful at

[58:10] the progress that we have made

[58:11] and grateful that we live in

[58:11] such an lgbt friendly city as

[58:12] San Diego.

[58:15] But also be motivated to fight

[58:19] for the rights of our community

[58:20] ,the rights of our community

[58:20] and every community.

[58:21] Thank you.

[58:25] Council PRESIDENT Wright Thank

[58:25] you Council member Whitburn.

[58:26] We'll go next to Council member

[58:29] Isla Rivera.

[58:29] >> All right.

[58:30] Thank you.

[58:31] Council PRESIDENT Um thank you

[58:34] to everyone who came out here

[58:35] who's been recognized and is

[58:39] supporting those who are being

[58:39] recognized this morning.

[58:42] I'll start with item 30.

[58:43] Appreciate councilmembers

[58:46] Campbell Whitburn and Van

[58:47] Wilpert bringing forward

[58:51] the San Diego lgbtq pride Month

[58:52] Proclamation in partnership

[58:56] with Mayor Gloria.

[58:57] I appreciate your comments.

[59:02] COUNCILMAN Whitburn I always

[59:02] appreciate the acknowledgment

[59:03] of allyship and your

[59:07] recognition of it and I think

[59:07] I've been really proud to be

[59:12] part of a council where we've

[59:12] been united in demonstrating

[59:14] our support for the community

[59:20] and it it's striking to me that

[59:25] you we say things like

[59:29] the advance of civil rights

[59:30] can't be taken for granted.

[59:34] We talk about arc of history

[59:35] bending toward justice but that

[59:36] not necessarily being linear

[59:39] and this definitely feels like

[59:39] one of those moments And even

[59:40] the conversation this morning I

[59:43] think I heard more rhetoric

[59:48] that was not just ignorant but

[59:49] hateful toward the lgbt

[59:54] community than I've heard in

[59:54] previous years And that

[59:58] certainly is a is a warning

[59:59] signal of why it's so important

[59:59] for us to stand in solidarity,

[1:00:03] in support of people being who

[1:00:04] they are.

[1:00:04] COUNCILMAN Campbell, thank you

[1:00:08] for sharing your your story And

[1:00:12] I couldn't be more proud to

[1:00:13] serve with you all.

[1:00:14] I couldn't be more proud of

[1:00:14] the way that San Diego

[1:00:17] celebrates pride for anyone

[1:00:18] who's actually been out there

[1:00:22] with the exception of those who

[1:00:22] are being hateful.

[1:00:26] It is one of the most family

[1:00:30] friendly, celebratory just

[1:00:31] positive events that I've ever

[1:00:35] been a part of anywhere.

[1:00:36] It feels like love and I think

[1:00:40] it's the exact sort of thing we

[1:00:41] should want more of in this

[1:00:44] city, not less of.

[1:00:45] And so I'm glad we're where

[1:00:49] we're doing what we're doing

[1:00:50] today and we'll be doing what

[1:00:51] we'll be doing over the next

[1:00:54] month And I'm not going to

[1:00:55] apologize for that and I don't

[1:00:59] think anyone should.

[1:01:00] Last but not least thank you to

[1:01:04] MR. Taylor for your service to

[1:01:04] the city.

[1:01:05] I very much appreciate

[1:01:09] everything you've done for us.

[1:01:13] I appreciate fan section you

[1:01:14] brought with you today and

[1:01:18] the enthusiasm they've shown.

[1:01:19] That was a lot of fun.

[1:01:19] Thank you for everything you've

[1:01:20] done.

[1:01:20] Oh, sorry.

[1:01:23] One one last thing I wanted to

[1:01:24] say thank you to council member

[1:01:25] council PRESIDENT Club and

[1:01:27] Councilor Campbell for I

[1:01:27] continue to recognize

[1:01:28] Alzheimer's and brought Brand

[1:01:29] Awareness Month.

[1:01:29] i think this is something

[1:01:31] you've done for multiple years

[1:01:32] now and the special calling out

[1:01:33] of the caregivers who are such

[1:01:37] an important part of that I've

[1:01:38] shared before I've watched my

[1:01:41] mom take care of family who's

[1:01:42] who's been who's struggled with

[1:01:43] dementia and Alzheimer's And it

[1:01:47] is it is such an enormous task.

[1:01:51] It requires incredible amount

[1:01:52] of care and love.

[1:01:53] And anyone who's watched a

[1:01:56] loved one battle these ailments

[1:01:57] knows how hard that is for

[1:02:02] everyone who who's for everyone

[1:02:05] who's around those people And

[1:02:06] continuing to make efforts to

[1:02:11] prevent and potentially cure

[1:02:12] those ailments is something

[1:02:12] that we should continuously

[1:02:16] strive for and I appreciate you

[1:02:17] all continuing to bring

[1:02:18] awareness to it And with that

[1:02:18] council PRESIDENT Concludes my

[1:02:19] comments.

[1:02:21] Thank you.

[1:02:21] >> All right.

[1:02:22] Thank you, Council member Ella

[1:02:22] Rivera.

[1:02:23] We'll go next to Council

[1:02:26] PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee Council

[1:02:27] PRESIDENT I'll speak to items

[1:02:29] 30 is 500 and 5a1 on item 31 to

[1:02:30] thank Mayor Gloria

[1:02:31] Councilmembers Campbell

[1:02:31] Whitburn and Van Wilpert for

[1:02:34] bringing forward this

[1:02:35] proclamation.

[1:02:35] I'm honored to support

[1:02:36] Santiago's lgbtq Plus community

[1:02:39] and to celebrate their

[1:02:40] countless contributions to

[1:02:40] the vibrancy of our city

[1:02:41] whether it's through historic

[1:02:44] advocacy service to our greater

[1:02:45] community and in fighting for

[1:02:45] representation at every level

[1:02:49] of government as Council member

[1:02:50] would bring to chair.

[1:02:50] While Pride Month is certainly

[1:02:53] a meaningful time for

[1:02:54] celebration, it also serves as

[1:02:55] a reminder that the fight for

[1:02:58] equality, dignity and inclusion

[1:02:59] continues and especially given

[1:02:59] the growing and brazen efforts

[1:03:00] of our federal administration

[1:03:03] to roll back protections and

[1:03:03] rights.

[1:03:04] I think it's more important

[1:03:05] than ever that we stand with

[1:03:08] our lgbtq plus neighbors in

[1:03:09] fighting against hatred and

[1:03:09] discrimination.

[1:03:13] Santiago is proud to be a city

[1:03:14] that values inclusion and

[1:03:14] belonging where every person

[1:03:15] should be able to live openly,

[1:03:18] safely and as their true

[1:03:19] authentic self.

[1:03:19] My team and I always look

[1:03:20] forward to participating in

[1:03:23] several standing upright events

[1:03:24] each year particularly light up

[1:03:25] the Cathedral, the Spirit of

[1:03:25] Stonewall Rally and of course

[1:03:29] the Pride parade.

[1:03:29] >> So I want to thank all

[1:03:30] the advocates, kumu

[1:03:31] organizations, community

[1:03:34] leaders and more who continue

[1:03:34] to make San Diego a welcoming

[1:03:35] place for all and look forward

[1:03:36] to celebrating pride with many

[1:03:39] of you in the months ahead.

[1:03:39] Next moving to item s500.

[1:03:44] I'm honored to bring forward a

[1:03:45] proclamation and to be joined

[1:03:46] by some of my colleagues in

[1:03:49] recognizing Audie DeCastro for

[1:03:50] his outstanding service and

[1:03:50] leadership as the Honorary

[1:03:53] Consul for the Philippines in

[1:03:54] San Diego since 2014.

[1:03:55] And I would note that as a

[1:03:59] volunteer role that he's played

[1:04:00] for more than a decade, we're

[1:04:00] ought to strengthen

[1:04:01] the relationship between San

[1:04:03] Diego and the Philippines

[1:04:04] fostering cultural

[1:04:05] understanding, economic

[1:04:05] partnerships and meaningful

[1:04:06] connections between our

[1:04:09] communities.

[1:04:10] He's been a dedicated advocate

[1:04:10] for the Filipino and Filipino

[1:04:15] American community of more than

[1:04:15] 200,000 residents throughout

[1:04:16] our region where he provides

[1:04:19] support and resources to

[1:04:19] countless residents while also

[1:04:20] creating opportunities for

[1:04:21] civic engagement and community

[1:04:24] empowerment through initiatives

[1:04:25] such as the state of

[1:04:25] the Filipino community.

[1:04:26] He's served in many volunteer

[1:04:30] roles throughout San Diego.

[1:04:30] He's been the former PRESIDENT

[1:04:31] Of the Asian Business

[1:04:36] Association, PRESIDENT Of

[1:04:36] Filipino-American Lawyers of

[1:04:37] San Diego, former chair of

[1:04:38] the Filipino American Chamber

[1:04:40] of Commerce and he served as a

[1:04:41] member of the Board of

[1:04:42] Governors on the San Diego

[1:04:42] Foundation.

[1:04:45] And that's just to name a few.

[1:04:45] But as part of and in addition

[1:04:46] to running his own law firm, he

[1:04:50] also fought for justice whether

[1:04:50] through voting rights or to

[1:04:51] ensure that those who are

[1:04:55] the most vulnerable are not

[1:04:56] forgotten.

[1:04:56] He helped to found Pagosa Law

[1:04:57] Clinic which provides free or

[1:05:00] low cost legal services for

[1:05:01] members of the Filipino

[1:05:01] community particularly

[1:05:05] immigrants and vulnerable

[1:05:06] populations facing immigration,

[1:05:07] housing, domestic violence and

[1:05:11] other legal issues.

[1:05:12] San Diego is certainly stronger

[1:05:13] because of his service and

[1:05:13] the Filipino community is

[1:05:16] richer because of his

[1:05:16] volunteerism and his

[1:05:17] commitment.

[1:05:18] And so as his distinguished

[1:05:21] tenure comes to a close, we

[1:05:22] thank you for his enduring

[1:05:23] legacy of diplomacy, advocacy

[1:05:23] and public service and

[1:05:27] congratulate him on

[1:05:28] the profound impact he has made

[1:05:28] on Senegal and the Filipino

[1:05:29] community.

[1:05:33] >> And finally on se 5a1I did

[1:05:34] want to take a quick minute

[1:05:34] just to acknowledge and think,

[1:05:37] John, for his service to our

[1:05:38] community and to the city.

[1:05:38] You have often come to these

[1:05:39] chambers and let us know that

[1:05:43] there's a subpoena coming for

[1:05:44] us to appear at a at a great

[1:05:49] event that your wife Tammy has

[1:05:50] helped to put on every single

[1:05:50] year.

[1:05:51] And certainly we didn't need to

[1:05:52] send you a subpoena to get you

[1:05:54] to appear today clearly.

[1:05:55] But Tammy has helped to bring a

[1:05:56] group of second graders out

[1:05:57] every year and John helps to

[1:05:59] organize with multiple offices.

[1:06:00] And it is to me always a

[1:06:04] special opportunity each time

[1:06:05] to get young people who are

[1:06:06] here in council chambers who

[1:06:06] want to learn about how

[1:06:10] government works, whether it's

[1:06:11] the fact that we can and can't

[1:06:12] fix potholes enough of them

[1:06:16] ever streets ever to how all

[1:06:17] the different branches even our

[1:06:18] local level of government work

[1:06:22] so so thank you John for your

[1:06:23] service to the city and to

[1:06:23] the great community and we hope

[1:06:32] also get to see Tammy and your

[1:06:32] .

[1:06:33] >> And with that that concludes

[1:06:34] my comments.

[1:06:34] Thank you Council PRESIDENT All

[1:06:35] right.

[1:06:35] Thank you.

[1:06:38] Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee

[1:06:39] All my colleagues have spoken

[1:06:40] so I'll have a few comments to

[1:06:43] close it up.

[1:06:44] Thank you to my colleagues for

[1:06:45] bringing these proclamations

[1:06:45] forward.

[1:06:50] Congratulations everyone and

[1:06:50] everything is being recognized.

[1:06:51] My colleagues were so eloquent

[1:06:55] as well as the public.

[1:06:56] I'll offer a few spot comments

[1:06:57] on item 30 I kind of wasn't

[1:07:02] mentioned so I thought it was

[1:07:02] worth mentioning.

[1:07:03] My daughter is in Budapest

[1:07:04] right now and I'm sure you're

[1:07:08] well aware that Budapest had

[1:07:09] the first Pride parade in 16

[1:07:09] years because of the change of

[1:07:14] the government administration.

[1:07:15] As Councilmember Eli Rivera

[1:07:20] said, the arc of equality can

[1:07:21] bend very slowly but it can be

[1:07:21] And so never give up hope

[1:07:22] Despite what we hear sometimes

[1:07:26] these days I am 31.

[1:07:30] I met Diane Smith from ten

[1:07:31] years ago and he had one simple

[1:07:32] request Just get that channel

[1:07:37] fixed.

[1:07:37] Here we are ten years later and

[1:07:38] it's still not fixed But I know

[1:07:39] Council Member Capital is doing

[1:07:43] everything in his power to get

[1:07:43] that done.

[1:07:44] It is such a critical part of

[1:07:45] the redevelopment of Granville

[1:07:49] having grown up just up

[1:07:49] the hill in Allan Gardens I'm

[1:07:50] well aware of that challenge

[1:07:55] and as well as the roads that

[1:07:55] are necessary to really ensure

[1:07:56] that that gravel really becomes

[1:08:01] everything that it can be and

[1:08:02] such an important part of our

[1:08:02] city.

[1:08:03] Another important neighborhood

[1:08:08] added Castro item that's 500

[1:08:08] thank you council PRESIDENT

[1:08:09] Particularly for bringing that

[1:08:10] you did such an eloquent job

[1:08:13] I'll just say thank you for

[1:08:14] bringing that forward and thank

[1:08:18] you for his service And then as

[1:08:18] 501 John Taylor You know what

[1:08:19] Joy?

[1:08:19] Tonight I made that comment got

[1:08:23] a little bit of laugh.

[1:08:24] You know, I think it's actually

[1:08:24] a moment of seriousness that we

[1:08:25] often forget about those who

[1:08:29] choose public service in

[1:08:30] the city attorney's office.

[1:08:31] You know, I don't know how

[1:08:35] calculations go but if you were

[1:08:36] in private practice and you

[1:08:37] generated 2085 million in

[1:08:41] settlement, what 25 a third of

[1:08:41] that could go to attorneys fees

[1:08:46] and yet you chose public

[1:08:46] service.

[1:08:47] And so we're really grateful to

[1:08:47] you and everybody who serves in

[1:08:52] the office of the city attorney

[1:08:52] .

[1:08:53] It is such an important

[1:08:54] function that we often take a

[1:08:54] little bit too lightly.

[1:08:55] So congratulations on your

[1:08:59] retirement And then on 504 in

[1:09:05] partnership with Councilmember

[1:09:06] Campbell proclaiming JUNE 2026

[1:09:06] to be Alzheimer's and Brand

[1:09:10] Awareness Month and City of San

[1:09:11] Diego for a disease that

[1:09:11] touches so many lives, It's

[1:09:12] important to me that we

[1:09:12] highlight not only

[1:09:16] the challenge that Alzheimer's

[1:09:17] brings but also the strength

[1:09:18] and resilience of individuals,

[1:09:19] friends and family, health care

[1:09:22] providers and advocates who

[1:09:23] face those challenges every day

[1:09:24] In the state of California

[1:09:27] there are 720,000 individuals

[1:09:28] currently living with

[1:09:28] Alzheimer's and it's become

[1:09:33] the leading cause of death in

[1:09:34] adults older than 85 years old.

[1:09:37] My father was 85 when he passed

[1:09:38] away 16 years ago from

[1:09:39] complications associated with

[1:09:44] Alzheimer's While research was

[1:09:45] continue to make advances in

[1:09:46] the fight against Alzheimer's,

[1:09:46] there's still so much more work

[1:09:47] to be done.

[1:09:47] Thank you to the medical

[1:09:51] professionals, researchers,

[1:09:51] health organizations and family

[1:09:52] friends who continue to provide

[1:09:53] support to those facing

[1:09:56] the challenges of Alzheimer's

[1:09:57] their compassion, dedication

[1:09:58] and unwavering commitment to

[1:09:58] caring for those you love make

[1:10:03] a profound difference in

[1:10:03] the lives of those affected.

[1:10:04] And as I said, every time we

[1:10:08] bring this proclamation to

[1:10:09] family and friends who have no

[1:10:09] one individual who's either at

[1:10:14] risk of Alzheimer's or having

[1:10:15] those early signs, you will

[1:10:15] never know what was that last

[1:10:16] conversation you have with them

[1:10:20] before they don't recognize you

[1:10:20] anymore.

[1:10:21] So love them, hug them,

[1:10:25] appreciate them every day

[1:10:26] because that will be that one

[1:10:27] moment where they're suddenly

[1:10:27] not there and not recognize

[1:10:28] you.

[1:10:32] So I think about that often

[1:10:33] with my father that I don't

[1:10:34] know what the last time I had a

[1:10:39] conversation where he actually

[1:10:39] recognized who I was or he

[1:10:40] recognized his wife or my

[1:10:44] sister going forward.

[1:10:45] What a tragic, tragic disease.

[1:10:45] I'm grateful for

[1:10:46] the organizations that continue

[1:10:50] to promote awareness and

[1:10:50] research.

[1:10:51] So with that we have a motion

[1:10:58] by Council member Camp you in a

[1:10:58] second by Council member

[1:10:59] Campbell I'm sorry the voting

[1:11:02] system Please cast your vote

[1:11:09] that passes initially 6 to 0

[1:11:09] with Councilmember Moreno,

[1:11:10] Councilmember von Wilber and

[1:11:11] council member Foster Absent

[1:11:14] Thank you Council PRESIDENT All

[1:11:15] right.

[1:11:15] Thank you.

[1:11:16] With that we will now pause for

[1:11:16] photos and we'll start with

[1:11:17] item 41 Eldorado Properties.

[1:13:18] So if you come up to the pit

[1:18:56] and

[1:25:10] you

[1:25:16] have everyone out there,

[1:25:27] somebody All right, let's get

[1:25:32] back to the business of

[1:25:33] the morning.

[1:25:33] We will now proceed with

[1:25:34] the approval of the consent

[1:25:37] items.

[1:25:38] Are there any request to pull

[1:25:39] an item off consent Not see any

[1:25:43] request by my colleagues?

[1:25:44] >> clerk Please proceed with

[1:25:44] public comment.

[1:25:48] Please note each speaker will

[1:25:49] have one minute per item per

[1:25:49] person.

[1:25:50] If you would like to speak on

[1:25:50] three or more items you will

[1:25:53] have a maximum of three

[1:25:53] minutes.

[1:25:54] The consent agenda includes

[1:25:58] items 1052 54 103 1 or 2 as 502

[1:25:59] and as 503 We did receive

[1:26:02] comments on items 53 and three

[1:26:02] oppose an item 1 or 2 one

[1:26:07] opposed we are e comment form

[1:26:08] which have been distributed to

[1:26:08] the Council.

[1:26:09] We do have speakers here in

[1:26:12] council chambers started with

[1:26:13] starting with Jacob Lewis

[1:26:15] Edwards speaking on I was 42

[1:26:16] s5o2 and s503 Please come

[1:26:16] forward to the mic You'll have

[1:26:17] three minutes And then we have

[1:26:22] allegedly Audra with 1 or 2 1

[1:26:22] to 1 5051 5253 and 100.

[1:26:27] Please proceed again.

[1:26:27] Good morning COUNCILMAN.

[1:26:32] I'm women and I am going to

[1:26:33] stay on subject matter that are

[1:26:36] so item 52 amendment to

[1:26:40] the salary ordinance the 27th

[1:26:47] fiscal year now amending the 27

[1:26:47] fiscal budget is going to be

[1:26:48] very important.

[1:26:51] It is going to be necessary

[1:26:56] Also item s5o2 ordinance

[1:26:56] amending Chapter two relating

[1:26:58] to post-employment health

[1:27:04] benefits for eligible employees

[1:27:09] and then item 5a3 First

[1:27:10] Amendment to the Employment

[1:27:14] Assistance Program erp Now all

[1:27:15] of these items deal with folks

[1:27:19] livelihoods, folks, livelihoods

[1:27:24] and that's a subject matter

[1:27:25] here.

[1:27:29] I consider So I'm going to talk

[1:27:30] about our livelihoods, our

[1:27:34] livelihoods are under attack.

[1:27:40] >> Our country is under attack

[1:27:41] that if we don't stand up we're

[1:27:45] in some trouble folks, what I

[1:27:45] spoke about earlier some very

[1:27:48] real stuff and council

[1:27:52] PRESIDENT It's we're going to

[1:27:53] need to stand up against this

[1:27:56] stuff.

[1:28:02] It was years ago My mom's mom's

[1:28:02] brother's position on

[1:28:03] Department of Homeland Security

[1:28:06] was hijacked by the mob.

[1:28:07] They were put on me by my

[1:28:07] family.

[1:28:11] I consider it now not the mob's

[1:28:11] fall.

[1:28:15] They were able to take the keys

[1:28:16] to our country.

[1:28:16] Why wouldn't they?

[1:28:17] I blame those in Washington dc

[1:28:20] but Chinese espionage was on

[1:28:23] the thing the entire time.

[1:28:28] What it's led to is genocide.

[1:28:29] >> Look up the YouTube clip

[1:28:31] Jacob Edwards speaks and heard

[1:28:37] briefly explains what's going

[1:28:42] on The Chinese espionage Take a

[1:28:42] look at this entire time to

[1:28:46] take our country over Federal

[1:28:47] Reserve families who owe China

[1:28:51] a lot of money cut a deal of

[1:28:52] disgust.

[1:28:52] How dare they That yeah, you

[1:28:57] can take our country over pork

[1:28:58] clear in that debt trillions We

[1:29:01] owe you most disturbing so deal

[1:29:05] a genocide that went along with

[1:29:06] it Recruited to the Department

[1:29:09] of Homeland Security's database

[1:29:10] for the best the best of our

[1:29:11] country and competition

[1:29:14] The Chinese taking our country

[1:29:15] over Folks recruited in mass

[1:29:19] numbers to convention centers

[1:29:20] right here in San Diego is

[1:29:21] the epicenter of it.

[1:29:22] I don't know how many other

[1:29:28] cities are involved.

[1:29:29] >> The genocides occurred their

[1:29:30] best the best comment allegedly

[1:29:32] Andre we'll stand up for

[1:29:32] ourselves.

[1:29:33] >> Folks must stand up against

[1:29:36] this.

[1:29:37] >> I need to do some

[1:29:42] housekeeping really quick

[1:29:42] because Sean you're twisting

[1:29:43] what I'm saying.

[1:29:44] I'm not asking you to stand

[1:29:47] against the gay or trans

[1:29:47] community.

[1:29:48] I'm asking why you're condoning

[1:29:52] pedophilia and the rape of

[1:29:53] children and why you don't

[1:29:53] stand against that and the fact

[1:29:56] that you say that you won't

[1:29:57] stand against that is very

[1:30:01] concerning because I guess as

[1:30:02] long as pedophiles are living

[1:30:03] their authentic life and

[1:30:03] they're upset, then to myself

[1:30:06] you can be inclusive and

[1:30:07] equitable all while admonishing

[1:30:11] and hating on victims for

[1:30:12] sharing assaults that are

[1:30:12] taking place.

[1:30:16] So that's extremely

[1:30:16] interesting.

[1:30:16] Okay.

[1:30:20] So you know with 50 I mean any

[1:30:21] time you guys are always

[1:30:25] updating and you know changing

[1:30:26] your codes and stuff and it's

[1:30:26] like a revolving door of

[1:30:27] changes I don't know how

[1:30:29] anybody can keep up with it

[1:30:30] with this pure water.

[1:30:31] You know, I'm wondering what

[1:30:34] kind of testing you guys have

[1:30:35] done when you are putting

[1:30:35] things like lye and chlorine

[1:30:39] and very toxic like toxic

[1:30:40] chemicals into this water as

[1:30:44] well as you know, there's

[1:30:44] sewage and different things

[1:30:45] that are still going to be left

[1:30:45] over.

[1:30:49] How do you know what the health

[1:30:49] effects are on the people or

[1:30:50] have you done testing that

[1:30:54] would prove that it is

[1:30:54] absolutely pure water, that

[1:30:55] it's healthy, that there are no

[1:30:59] health effects or is this

[1:30:59] something that's going to come

[1:31:00] down the pike and we're going

[1:31:01] to just revisit it when it

[1:31:03] comes and then you'll have some

[1:31:04] kind of mitigating plan price

[1:31:05] some vaccine or something like

[1:31:08] that And the salary ordinances

[1:31:09] let's quit giving people raises

[1:31:13] until we can really make sure

[1:31:14] we're providing stuff and we

[1:31:14] have the money to do it.

[1:31:15] You guys keep coming.

[1:31:17] Did the people who don't have

[1:31:18] any money to give other people

[1:31:22] raises It's ridiculous.

[1:31:23] And with these sole source

[1:31:24] contracts with Adam I you know

[1:31:27] I just saw Waymo driving

[1:31:27] around.

[1:31:28] I think that we need to bring

[1:31:32] in an ordinance that bans

[1:31:33] Waymo's Is that you're saying

[1:31:34] they're not going to come in

[1:31:34] here?

[1:31:34] Are we banning them?

[1:31:35] Is there something that you're

[1:31:37] going to do to make sure

[1:31:38] they're not going to be here or

[1:31:39] is that just you're not going

[1:31:39] to contract with them but

[1:31:40] they'll be able to be in

[1:31:42] the city and we need to be

[1:31:43] worrying about these data

[1:31:46] centers in ai and even goes

[1:31:47] into the power the San Diego

[1:31:51] equity campus and you know your

[1:31:52] clean energy fraud that you

[1:31:52] know you want to sit here and

[1:31:56] act like this is green energy

[1:31:57] when in fact it's totally toxic

[1:32:01] to the environment as well as

[1:32:02] human life.

[1:32:02] I mean like these busses and

[1:32:06] different things that come in

[1:32:07] and you know, the data centers

[1:32:07] taking up our fresh water.

[1:32:11] Oh well we're given the pure

[1:32:11] water right?

[1:32:12] But we don't need to test that

[1:32:15] as long as the data centers get

[1:32:15] the fresh stuff.

[1:32:16] I mean who cares what people

[1:32:17] get Just the scraps, you know,

[1:32:20] And eventually we're going to

[1:32:21] be given Soylent Green.

[1:32:21] That should be exciting.

[1:32:22] I mean we already are I guess

[1:32:24] in the water because there's

[1:32:25] babies and stuff that are, you

[1:32:26] know, flushed down the toilet

[1:32:29] in those And then how can you

[1:32:30] be trusted with this disaster

[1:32:33] recovery infrastructure funding

[1:32:34] ?

[1:32:35] Why don't you just keep up with

[1:32:35] the infrastructure?

[1:32:38] But wait, you guys need $5

[1:32:39] billion for it?

[1:32:39] >> Dang it.

[1:32:40] But at least you have this in

[1:32:43] case something happens right?

[1:32:44] >> Your time has concluded.

[1:32:45] We're going to those

[1:32:48] participating remotely starting

[1:32:49] the five minute timer starting

[1:32:50] with Blair Beckman If you can

[1:32:53] please unmute please let me

[1:32:54] know which item or items you

[1:32:58] wish to speak to.

[1:33:01] >> I will be quiet again going

[1:33:02] first and not quite ready but I

[1:33:06] am kind of ready here.

[1:33:07] I wanted to speak to basically

[1:33:11] this day all the consent items

[1:33:12] except uh let me see.

[1:33:16] I got to get in here except

[1:33:20] item 54.

[1:33:25] Blair you do need to be ready.

[1:33:26] >> I'm very sorry about that.

[1:33:27] I'm ready now all I want to

[1:33:30] speak to all items not 254.

[1:33:31] >> Okay?

[1:33:31] Please continue.

[1:33:35] Sorry about that.

[1:33:35] Thank you.

[1:33:36] Okay.

[1:33:36] Blair Beckman.

[1:33:40] Yeah.

[1:33:40] Okay.

[1:33:41] So start with item 50 Coastal

[1:33:42] Commission Modifications Land

[1:33:45] Development Code Update Again,

[1:33:45] one of my regular talking

[1:33:49] points these days are it's

[1:33:50] important that we understand

[1:33:51] the concepts of sea level rise

[1:33:55] issue and how we talk about

[1:33:55] that with Midway Rising because

[1:33:59] if we do that makes it easier

[1:34:00] to talk about sea level rise

[1:34:01] issues for a number of issues

[1:34:04] in San Diego that I think we're

[1:34:05] having a bit of trouble with

[1:34:08] because at Midway Rising I know

[1:34:09] Captain Rhodes she's described

[1:34:13] there can be ways to architect

[1:34:14] and build midway rising with

[1:34:18] sea level rise issues but she

[1:34:19] also questions it and I think

[1:34:23] we should be doing the same It

[1:34:24] should be an open process to

[1:34:24] consider good work in those

[1:34:25] efforts.

[1:34:27] What we can be doing with Pure

[1:34:28] Water 51 on kpbs They just

[1:34:37] reported that uh, Mexico

[1:34:38] Tijuana is working on pure

[1:34:38] water issues.

[1:34:43] >> They've had council persons

[1:34:43] visit ocean side, you know, and

[1:34:48] I just thought that was amazing

[1:34:48] .

[1:34:48] So they're interested in

[1:34:49] the future of pure water quite

[1:34:53] possibly present year one

[1:34:53] valley If we think of pure

[1:34:57] water in those terms of how it

[1:34:58] can help our environment, how

[1:34:58] it can possibly help with air

[1:35:02] issues that's one thing We have

[1:35:03] to be very cautious how we talk

[1:35:04] about it as drinking water

[1:35:06] though I think and good luck

[1:35:07] We're learning to do that

[1:35:08] better keep up those good

[1:35:11] efforts and continuing good

[1:35:12] communication with Tijuana.

[1:35:13] I mean it's just proving what

[1:35:16] good communication is about.

[1:35:17] >> So good luck on that effort

[1:35:20] Sally Ordinance salary

[1:35:21] ordinance issues I've mentioned

[1:35:22] for the first time about a week

[1:35:25] ago I hope you can if not this

[1:35:26] year, the next year you can

[1:35:27] really be working on

[1:35:30] the concept that our city

[1:35:31] workers take a $50 cut in pay

[1:35:33] each month That's 600 bucks a

[1:35:34] year.

[1:35:37] That's a savings of over two to

[1:35:41] almost $2 million a year If we

[1:35:42] have like 3000 plus staff

[1:35:43] workers that's a lot in budget

[1:35:47] savings really Consider that

[1:35:48] Learned to take one for

[1:35:49] the team and that it's okay

[1:35:52] there can be times we can't do

[1:35:53] that We MAY be at a time we can

[1:35:56] next year MAY not but let's

[1:36:00] hope we can to go on Item 100

[1:36:05] is well when we see 1 to 1 is

[1:36:06] construction of Beach Street

[1:36:09] pedestrian corridor project.

[1:36:10] This is an item that is dealing

[1:36:13] with you know my usual issues

[1:36:14] of working on better check

[1:36:15] accountability and how

[1:36:19] important that is And when you

[1:36:19] dress better check

[1:36:20] accountability You're actually

[1:36:23] addressing our best practices

[1:36:24] and asking to end genocide

[1:36:24] basically.

[1:36:25] And that's why I do the work I

[1:36:29] do so we can end genocide and

[1:36:32] war and with the ability park

[1:36:33] issues I'll talk about later.

[1:36:33] >> Thank you.

[1:36:37] Next is Cynthia if I can have a

[1:36:38] Gary please come forward to

[1:36:39] the microphone.

[1:36:39] He is our translator here will

[1:36:42] be translating Cynthia from

[1:36:43] French to English.

[1:36:46] Cynthia is speaking on item 50

[1:36:47] If you can please let her know

[1:36:47] that she'll have one minute for

[1:36:50] her comments and then one

[1:36:51] minute for your translation.

[1:36:51] Thank you, Gary, for being

[1:36:52] here.

[1:36:52] You're welcome.

[1:36:55] Good morning, COUNCILWOMAN And

[1:36:55] Council.

[1:37:01] Uh, both Cynthia and Uncle

[1:37:01] Wasabi Enigma Illuminator

[1:37:07] Duncan come on to say that if I

[1:37:08] recall there was a crack was

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[1:37:14] share about this in church

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[1:37:18] ducks into the pool Is

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[1:37:23] been blessed with their money

[1:37:23] They completely want to manage

[1:37:26] it or not As in we grant

[1:37:26] refugee Originaire d'afrique to

[1:37:27] Rosemary via San Diego News

[1:37:30] It's not opposition I like to

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[1:37:34] modification proposal I don't

[1:37:35] really read up on they don't

[1:37:36] want to fix it I do me trust

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[1:38:09] talent no division I made

[1:38:13] the bonjela positive enunciated

[1:38:14] an individual it him on speech

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[1:38:20] on GOD is not excessive I

[1:38:26] choose a guarantee good truly

[1:38:27] is You don't do San Diego and

[1:38:28] up on the Monday letter when

[1:38:29] you did not audition Please

[1:38:30] escape plan your time has come

[1:38:32] to translate her Good morning

[1:38:33] My name is sincere and I

[1:38:37] represent the students from

[1:38:41] the refugees from the refugees

[1:38:42] in San Diego So I don't know So

[1:38:47] why it is so difficult I like

[1:38:48] for the council like us to

[1:38:52] understand how difficult it is

[1:38:56] of immigrants who come here and

[1:38:57] the amount of that that they

[1:39:00] require like to pay.

[1:39:01] It's exorbitant So it's really

[1:39:07] expensive and it's more like a

[1:39:07] matter of mental lack of us.

[1:39:08] So I don't know why Immigrant I

[1:39:14] showed it to the council like

[1:39:16] could reduce days of fee so for

[1:39:17] fun for something more

[1:39:17] affordable for us and that will

[1:39:20] be that will be better and we

[1:39:25] should and have like to to be

[1:39:26] to be a by not a by we

[1:39:30] shouldn't have like to to fight

[1:39:35] like a for to to to let our

[1:39:35] white nose So in this situation

[1:39:40] so thank you thank you extra

[1:39:41] time was a lot for

[1:39:41] the translation.

[1:39:42] >> Thank you so much Gary for

[1:39:45] coming down.

[1:39:46] Thank you Cynthia for your

[1:39:47] comments 8700 If you can please

[1:39:49] unmute and let me know which

[1:39:50] item or items you wish to speak

[1:39:59] to.

[1:40:03] >> Thank you Only 51 please.

[1:40:07] Please proceed Yes to the First

[1:40:12] Amendment for North City Pure

[1:40:12] Water Facility and

[1:40:17] demonstration Pure water

[1:40:17] Facility with Truffle

[1:40:22] Technologies.

[1:40:27] I celebrate this statement in c

[1:40:31] p w f will be the first full

[1:40:35] scale facility in the world in

[1:40:39] the world using five advanced

[1:40:44] water treatment processes in

[1:40:44] sequence.

[1:40:45] Isn't that an amazing statement

[1:40:49] to be first in the world with

[1:40:54] this amazing project of pure

[1:40:58] water So 20 years with Trizol.

[1:40:59] That's five stars.

[1:41:02] Trussell Thank you so much For

[1:41:03] 20 years and we appreciate you

[1:41:09] And just keep us going till we

[1:41:09] get to all the phases.

[1:41:12] Thank you and your time helpful

[1:41:13] Quickly within the five minute

[1:41:13] timer also concluded there were

[1:41:16] five speakers in the queue with

[1:41:17] joy.

[1:41:18] There are four speakers now No

[1:41:18] additional speakers will be

[1:41:22] taken or asco.

[1:41:23] Please let us know which item

[1:41:26] or items you wish to speak to.

[1:41:27] Yes shop items all the items

[1:41:31] and retaliation for speaking on

[1:41:34] all the items especially 3030

[1:41:39] as part of the proclamation.

[1:41:40] >> So you cannot speak to 30

[1:41:44] You can speak on the items

[1:41:45] within the within the consent

[1:41:45] agenda.

[1:41:50] >> Okay, Ernie Casco I'm in all

[1:41:50] the items trying to speak I

[1:41:54] received experienced

[1:41:55] retaliation myself serious

[1:42:00] injuries, assaults and poisoned

[1:42:00] with by hazard two more times

[1:42:01] by Big Pharma poison It is

[1:42:04] the health care system.

[1:42:05] This is genocide in America

[1:42:05] shamefully over

[1:42:09] the commercialized portion of a

[1:42:10] public park and land Torrey

[1:42:11] Pines glider part I'm dying

[1:42:14] with stage four cancer that's

[1:42:15] now in remission.

[1:42:19] But you haven't killed my voice

[1:42:19] in concern of Torrey Pines

[1:42:23] Blight Report Ongoing dispute

[1:42:24] The Dear Ernie letter I

[1:42:24] received from the cpp is

[1:42:28] completely unacceptable.

[1:42:29] All it fails to accept to

[1:42:30] address serious allegations

[1:42:33] made to the city Council Joe

[1:42:34] LaCava San Diego Police

[1:42:38] Department itself it it

[1:42:39] completely ignores the victim

[1:42:39] and witnesses and the ongoing

[1:42:43] criminal activity and public

[1:42:44] safety concerns at Torrey Pines

[1:42:44] Flight Report.

[1:42:47] My first question is where are

[1:42:48] the police reports?

[1:42:48] Residents should never be

[1:42:51] forced to sign an access pass

[1:42:52] and waiver under threat of

[1:42:52] violence.

[1:42:57] I receive unanimous letters of

[1:42:57] support from La Hoya Town

[1:42:58] Council, the Hawaii Shores

[1:43:02] Association, the University Kim

[1:43:03] Black Community Planning Group

[1:43:06] to stop this yet core issues

[1:43:07] remain ignored while problems

[1:43:07] continue.

[1:43:11] You haven't killed my voice.

[1:43:12] I'm asking three things from

[1:43:16] the City council to restore

[1:43:17] the park to the people and

[1:43:21] protect us from future abuse

[1:43:21] First thing Where are the first

[1:43:25] Where are the police reports of

[1:43:26] the victim and witnesses?

[1:43:27] Let's see them.

[1:43:27] Second stop the illegal

[1:43:31] collection of public fundings

[1:43:32] into private accounts with a

[1:43:32] full city audit of Torrey Pines

[1:43:36] Slide report.

[1:43:36] Third restore lawful public

[1:43:39] access to ensure no one is

[1:43:40] forced into signing waivers.

[1:43:41] It's time to enforce American

[1:43:45] law not administrative law and

[1:43:45] stand up for our constitutional

[1:43:49] recreational rights and

[1:43:50] freedoms and implement the San

[1:43:50] Diego recreational waiver that

[1:43:54] ends this dispute over our

[1:43:54] freedom at public parks.

[1:43:59] Thank you, Ernie Casco.

[1:44:00] >> Next is Hector.

[1:44:01] If you can please unmute and

[1:44:03] let me know which item or items

[1:44:04] you wish to speak to.

[1:44:07] >> I'd like to speak to 5051

[1:44:08] and 52.

[1:44:08] >> Thank you.

[1:44:09] You'll have three minutes.

[1:44:09] Please proceed.

[1:44:14] So on item 50 the Coastal

[1:44:14] Commission the Coastal

[1:44:17] Commission has done us a lot of

[1:44:18] harm.

[1:44:18] It takes a lot of time to get

[1:44:19] and to improve to approve

[1:44:23] things And they're just like

[1:44:27] brought a lot of hurt on city

[1:44:27] build skyscrapers by the beach.

[1:44:31] We should just ignore

[1:44:32] the Coastal Commission as much

[1:44:33] We can just tell them we're

[1:44:33] going to do it.

[1:44:37] We can do our own coastal

[1:44:37] decisions.

[1:44:42] We the coast we love our coast.

[1:44:42] We know our coast.

[1:44:43] We don't let them talk And it's

[1:44:46] just another bureaucracy with

[1:44:51] the Democratic scam going on in

[1:44:55] our city And then on the 51 on

[1:44:55] the pier water I think it's

[1:44:56] good that Mexico is looking for

[1:45:00] pure water.

[1:45:01] I say we just dam up the border

[1:45:01] crossing and let them deal with

[1:45:05] the sewage water.

[1:45:06] It'll it'll put a fire under

[1:45:06] there.

[1:45:09] They can smell some of that

[1:45:10] Mexican They're giving us

[1:45:10] the pure water.

[1:45:14] I think we should do audits

[1:45:15] every month and publish them at

[1:45:19] the city council because you

[1:45:20] know this is going to be a huge

[1:45:20] overrun.

[1:45:24] This is like we can't even

[1:45:24] handle parking at the zoo let

[1:45:25] alone the billions of dollars

[1:45:29] it's going to cost us.

[1:45:30] We need to keep an eye on this

[1:45:33] And the lady that runs it,

[1:45:34] she's not tough enough.

[1:45:34] She's she's like looking for

[1:45:39] her partner.

[1:45:40] We know we need somebody who's

[1:45:43] just we ain't going to buy no

[1:45:43] extras.

[1:45:44] Take it.

[1:45:48] She could get tough to speak of

[1:45:48] .

[1:45:49] She has a 15 year old daughter

[1:45:50] and the guy is looking for my

[1:45:53] looking to take her out on a

[1:45:53] date.

[1:45:54] He's 28 Italian guy with a

[1:45:58] heavy hairy chest and gold

[1:45:58] chains.

[1:45:59] She'd be saying no.

[1:46:02] You taking her out?

[1:46:03] That's what she's got to say.

[1:46:04] With the cost overruns

[1:46:07] the contractors are going to

[1:46:07] She's an easy mark for

[1:46:08] the contractors.

[1:46:12] It's not it's not a committee

[1:46:12] saying no, she needs to say no

[1:46:16] and no more overruns.

[1:46:17] We're going to make up a lot of

[1:46:21] stuff And then the pay thing 52

[1:46:22] is like Hey, times are tough

[1:46:24] man and we're given a 10%

[1:46:24] raise.

[1:46:25] We need to weed out

[1:46:29] the employees Anybody that

[1:46:30] celebrated Charlie Kirk's death

[1:46:30] needs to leave.

[1:46:34] We cannot pay them nothing we

[1:46:35] never research The employees is

[1:46:39] celebrated his death and we're

[1:46:39] taken.

[1:46:43] We'll have a bounty If you turn

[1:46:44] in one of your employees who

[1:46:47] celebrated and say we'll give

[1:46:48] you $1,000 and that person

[1:46:52] needs to go There's a bunch of

[1:46:53] them on the city payroll.

[1:46:54] Those guys need to go whatever

[1:46:58] color their hair is.

[1:46:58] But whatever their deal is it's

[1:46:59] probably something to do with

[1:47:02] the alphabet crew celebrating

[1:47:03] the death of Charlie Kirk.

[1:47:08] So the alphabet is

[1:47:08] the hopefully it's going to

[1:47:11] it's heading downhill man.

[1:47:12] >> Hopefully they'll learn how

[1:47:16] to spell me.

[1:47:17] Thank you.

[1:47:18] If you raise your hand after

[1:47:18] the five minute timer you will

[1:47:23] not be taken But you can

[1:47:23] definitely submit comments at

[1:47:24] City Clerk at San diego.Gov.

[1:47:25] Judy Strang If you can please

[1:47:27] unmute and let me know which

[1:47:27] item or items you wish to speak

[1:47:28] to.

[1:47:28] >> Yes.

[1:47:28] Good morning.

[1:47:31] I'd like to speak to s503

[1:47:35] regarding the First Amendment

[1:47:36] to the Employee assistance

[1:47:36] program here at the city that's

[1:47:40] being provided to us by

[1:47:41] Evernorth Care Solutions.

[1:47:41] I think it would have been

[1:47:45] extraordinarily useful to have

[1:47:45] a staff report on the city's

[1:47:51] APRIL Cobra.

[1:47:51] This is a program provided to

[1:47:55] employees generally speaking in

[1:47:55] my experience with eap programs

[1:47:59] it's for behavioral health

[1:48:00] issues and we are grateful that

[1:48:01] the city recognizes how

[1:48:01] important it is to their

[1:48:05] employees.

[1:48:06] That was not the case 40 years

[1:48:07] ago so it's about time We have

[1:48:09] recognized over the last

[1:48:10] several decades how valuable it

[1:48:14] is to help our employees with

[1:48:15] their alcohol and drug

[1:48:15] problems.

[1:48:20] Those problems affect

[1:48:20] the bottom line of the city.

[1:48:21] They affect job performance and

[1:48:25] productivity and nothing more.

[1:48:26] So that impaired cognitive

[1:48:30] function because it creates bad

[1:48:30] decision making You MISS

[1:48:31] Deadlines, you have sloppy work

[1:48:35] and decreased efficiency and

[1:48:36] nothing so much as someone who

[1:48:36] is under the influence of

[1:48:37] marijuana.

[1:48:40] So thank you to this group.

[1:48:40] >> Thank you.

[1:48:41] That does conclude your time.

[1:48:44] Our next speaker is Jennifer

[1:48:48] Bennett And please begin.

[1:48:49] >> Hi, I'm John Hogan here

[1:48:53] speaking from Jennifer Bennett

[1:48:54] who had to leave just now.

[1:48:59] Quickly on behalf of

[1:49:00] the community of Redwood

[1:49:00] Village and the Eastern Area

[1:49:01] Community Planning Group, we

[1:49:03] asked for the approval of funds

[1:49:04] for the Stream view drive green

[1:49:08] infrastructure improvements for

[1:49:09] the health and safety of our

[1:49:09] communities.

[1:49:12] This is item 100.

[1:49:16] We'd like to thank the Council

[1:49:17] District nine Rep Sean De la

[1:49:18] Rivera and all the city staff

[1:49:18] for their consideration and

[1:49:21] work on this project.

[1:49:21] We appreciate it very much.

[1:49:25] Been many years that we've been

[1:49:25] advocating for this.

[1:49:30] >> Thank you very much.

[1:49:31] Thank you.

[1:49:31] That does conclude public

[1:49:35] comment on the consent agenda.

[1:49:36] >> All right.

[1:49:36] Thank you.

[1:49:37] City Clerk and deputy clerk for

[1:49:37] wrapping up.

[1:49:40] With that we'll turn it over to

[1:49:41] the council members for any

[1:49:41] questions or comments and

[1:49:44] entertain a motion.

[1:49:45] We'll start with council member

[1:49:45] Isla Rivera.

[1:49:46] All right.

[1:49:46] Thank you.

[1:49:49] Council PRESIDENT.

[1:49:50] I will move approval of

[1:49:50] the outcome of the consent

[1:49:54] agenda.

[1:49:55] I just wanted to speak briefly

[1:49:56] to item 100 authorizes

[1:49:59] stormwater department to accept

[1:50:00] and appropriate funding from

[1:50:00] the California Department of

[1:50:01] Housing and Community

[1:50:04] Development 2020 for disaster

[1:50:04] recovery infrastructure.

[1:50:09] Mitt R.I.P. Fund.

[1:50:14] So that very long unwieldy

[1:50:18] title is really beneath that

[1:50:24] long unwieldy title is a

[1:50:24] project that's going to

[1:50:25] directly improve the quality of

[1:50:25] life for Redwood Village

[1:50:28] resident residents in my

[1:50:29] district and beyond.

[1:50:30] Stream View Drive has been in

[1:50:33] the works for many years and I

[1:50:34] want to thank the Stormwater

[1:50:35] Engineering and Capital Project

[1:50:35] team for this.

[1:50:39] I also want to thank some of

[1:50:39] our community leaders Lyn,

[1:50:40] Bettina and Jennifer for

[1:50:43] community organizing work on

[1:50:44] this and never allowing

[1:50:45] the city and my office to

[1:50:47] forget that this is important

[1:50:52] and needs to get done.

[1:50:53] Stream View Drive has been a

[1:50:57] long overdue project just like

[1:50:57] this one that combines blue

[1:50:58] green infrastructure and

[1:50:59] supports our efforts to be

[1:51:02] climate resilient.

[1:51:03] It's situated just upstream and

[1:51:03] tributary to Choice Creek which

[1:51:07] is an urban waterway that was

[1:51:07] impacted during the severe

[1:51:08] rainstorms in 2024.

[1:51:12] And this project will improve

[1:51:13] the capture and conveyance of

[1:51:13] urban runoff along the Stream

[1:51:16] stream View Drive and install

[1:51:17] new stormwater treatment

[1:51:20] systems within the 258 acre

[1:51:20] watershed.

[1:51:25] There are some really great

[1:51:25] components of this including an

[1:51:26] underground trash capture belt

[1:51:29] underground stormwater

[1:51:30] detention vault and multi-use

[1:51:31] treatment area vault.

[1:51:35] Together they will help reduce

[1:51:35] pollutant levels such as trash,

[1:51:37] sediment, zinc and other

[1:51:38] contaminants entering Choi's

[1:51:38] Creek.

[1:51:39] Additionally, the detention

[1:51:40] belt will help manage

[1:51:41] stormwater by reducing peak

[1:51:45] flows into the creek.

[1:51:45] So these are smart investments

[1:51:46] the type of things that

[1:51:47] the city should keep pursuing

[1:51:49] as we move forward.

[1:51:50] I want to say thank you again

[1:51:51] to our community leaders for

[1:51:52] their advocacy on this and

[1:51:54] the city workers who helped

[1:51:55] make this happen.

[1:51:56] Council PRESIDENT I assume you

[1:51:59] probably understood everything

[1:52:00] that I said better than I did.

[1:52:01] >> But that concludes my

[1:52:01] motion.

[1:52:05] All right.

[1:52:06] Yeah, I think you nailed it.

[1:52:06] I think the community

[1:52:07] understands it and appreciate

[1:52:07] it.

[1:52:09] So we have a motion by council

[1:52:10] member Ella Rivera and we'll go

[1:52:11] next to council member

[1:52:11] Whitburn.

[1:52:13] Thank you.

[1:52:14] Council PRESIDENT I'm happy to

[1:52:15] second the motion to approve

[1:52:15] the consent agenda.

[1:52:19] Just note how pleased I am with

[1:52:20] item 101 which is that

[1:52:20] agreement with Civic said

[1:52:23] the year ago for construction

[1:52:24] of the b Street pedestrian

[1:52:25] corridor project downtown.

[1:52:28] This is a project that has been

[1:52:29] decades in the making.

[1:52:29] It's going to provide much

[1:52:32] needed pedestrian improvements

[1:52:33] that will make it easier for

[1:52:34] people to access public

[1:52:34] transportation.

[1:52:35] It will increase safety around

[1:52:38] the set of a depot for downtown

[1:52:39] residents and visitors alike.

[1:52:42] This action advances our goals

[1:52:43] of improving mobility,

[1:52:48] accessibility and productivity

[1:52:48] downtown.

[1:52:49] And I want to thank city staff

[1:52:49] and civic San Diego for all

[1:52:50] their work in moving this

[1:52:52] project towards construction.

[1:52:52] Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.

[1:52:53] All right.

[1:52:53] Thank you, sir.

[1:52:54] So we have a motion by council

[1:52:57] member Eli Rivera and second by

[1:52:58] COUNCILMAN Whitburn to move

[1:52:59] the consent item.

[1:53:02] I don't see anybody else on

[1:53:02] the lights so.

[1:53:03] Clerk Deputy Clerk Please call

[1:53:03] the roll.

[1:53:05] I have set up the voting

[1:53:05] system.

[1:53:20] >> Please cast your vote.

[1:53:21] Councilmember Yellow era didn't

[1:53:26] record If you did.

[1:53:27] There you go.

[1:53:31] Thank you.

[1:53:32] >> The consent agenda passes

[1:53:36] unanimously six nothing with

[1:53:37] council districts four, five,

[1:53:37] seven and eight.

[1:53:41] Absent.

[1:53:41] >> All right.

[1:53:42] Thank you.

[1:53:47] So with that oh, do we have any

[1:53:47] comments from the mayor's

[1:53:48] office?

[1:53:48] City council member city

[1:53:51] attorney, independent

[1:53:52] independent budget analyst or a

[1:53:55] city clerk not seeing any

[1:53:56] requests.

[1:53:56] We will now take up the non

[1:53:57] agenda Public comment.

[1:54:01] Council members respect and

[1:54:02] appreciate the public input and

[1:54:02] are fully committed to

[1:54:03] protecting every participant's

[1:54:06] free speech rights at council

[1:54:06] and committee meetings.

[1:54:07] Clerk Please proceed with

[1:54:10] public comment per rule 2.7

[1:54:16] Known Agenda Public Comment as

[1:54:16] an opportunity for members of

[1:54:17] the public to comment on items

[1:54:18] that are not on the agenda but

[1:54:19] within the subject matter

[1:54:20] jurisdiction of the City

[1:54:20] Council.

[1:54:24] Each speaker will have two

[1:54:24] minutes.

[1:54:25] Please note if there are eight

[1:54:25] or more speakers on a single

[1:54:29] topic the maximum time for

[1:54:30] the topic will be 60 Minutes.

[1:54:30] If you are in chambers please

[1:54:33] submit your speaker slip.

[1:54:34] If you are joining us virtually

[1:54:35] please raise your hand to speak

[1:54:35] by tapping the raise your hand

[1:54:40] icon or if you are a call in

[1:54:40] participant start nine.

[1:54:43] We will begin with in-person

[1:54:48] comment Jacob Lewis Edwards

[1:54:54] again good morning Council men

[1:54:55] and women.

[1:54:55] So it was years ago my family

[1:55:00] put the mafia on me to squash

[1:55:00] any trace of anything I was

[1:55:04] calling out in my family had

[1:55:05] nothing to do with the mafia

[1:55:06] That was my family did that to

[1:55:09] me.

[1:55:10] They hijacked my mom's younger

[1:55:10] brother's position in

[1:55:11] Department of Homeland Security

[1:55:14] over our country Cyber security

[1:55:14] networks over time that enabled

[1:55:19] them hijacking our federal

[1:55:19] government agencies.

[1:55:20] I say now not their fault of

[1:55:21] course they have taken the keys

[1:55:24] to our country If they were

[1:55:24] able to.

[1:55:25] I blame those in Washington dc

[1:55:26] who allowed it.

[1:55:30] I was terrorized all along

[1:55:30] the way.

[1:55:31] My civil rights and liberties

[1:55:32] violated in the grossest ways

[1:55:35] you could imagine My human

[1:55:35] rights grossly violated with

[1:55:36] our government agencies used

[1:55:40] against us Chinese espionage on

[1:55:41] the thing the entire time.

[1:55:42] Watch the clip Jacob Edward

[1:55:46] speaks on YouTube where I spoke

[1:55:47] right here at this microphone

[1:55:51] is where the genocide Federal

[1:55:51] Reserve families cutting a deal

[1:55:52] to wipe out the debt of

[1:55:56] trillions of the Chinese.

[1:55:56] How dare they hand our country

[1:55:57] over?

[1:56:01] But the deal of genocide to

[1:56:02] wipe out the best of the best

[1:56:02] of our country so to the best

[1:56:07] of their best you come in

[1:56:08] the recruiting them from

[1:56:08] the Department of Homeland

[1:56:09] Security's database at the best

[1:56:11] this country has and

[1:56:12] slaughtering them in mass

[1:56:13] numbers to the best of

[1:56:16] the Chinese can come in.

[1:56:17] How dare they?

[1:56:17] Our country.

[1:56:22] Our country, our local leaders,

[1:56:28] our community needs to stand up

[1:56:28] that this is our country.

[1:56:32] This is our livelihoods.

[1:56:33] Our country's future is at

[1:56:33] stake.

[1:56:38] Our lives are at stake.

[1:56:39] That I urge you every one of

[1:56:40] you and folk in the community

[1:56:44] this time to quit going along

[1:56:44] with this acting like it's not

[1:56:45] going on running from it for

[1:56:50] everybody to fight together

[1:56:50] Stand up for our country, for

[1:56:51] the people, by the people that

[1:56:54] don't include your time.

[1:56:55] >> Our next speaker is

[1:57:10] allegedly Audra.

[1:57:11] >> It's interesting people get

[1:57:11] offended when I talk about

[1:57:15] pedophiles.

[1:57:16] Makes me wonder if you guys are

[1:57:21] pedophiles because like to be

[1:57:22] offended to talk I should be

[1:57:27] that you're offended that that

[1:57:28] happens that you shouldn't want

[1:57:28] children to be raped or

[1:57:32] sexually assaulted.

[1:57:33] I'm not promoting it and

[1:57:38] glorifying it as a sexual

[1:57:38] preference and that as long as

[1:57:39] a pedophile is living it's

[1:57:44] authentic life and being their

[1:57:44] authentic selves then those

[1:57:49] children don't matter all while

[1:57:50] we say you care about all

[1:57:54] people I would make it suffice

[1:57:55] to say that you don't care

[1:58:00] about victims that you

[1:58:06] perpetuate creating them and

[1:58:07] you consider me talking about

[1:58:07] pedophiles hate speech or anti

[1:58:13] Semitic or homophobe big or you

[1:58:13] know I'm a bigot or racist or

[1:58:14] whatever you know what I mean?

[1:58:18] All the gaslighting names So

[1:58:19] you're willing to gaslight me

[1:58:24] for talking about it and hating

[1:58:25] it being a victim of it And

[1:58:26] then it's like you want to

[1:58:30] twist what I'm saying while

[1:58:31] right there right in front of

[1:58:36] us Minor attractive persons are

[1:58:37] being honored and glorified

[1:58:42] while I'm being gaslit as if

[1:58:43] I'm asking you to not accept a

[1:58:48] certain community.

[1:58:49] But I guess why are we

[1:58:54] accepting pedophilia as okay

[1:58:55] when you do have children That

[1:58:56] that is a question I do have I

[1:59:00] don't that doesn't make sense

[1:59:01] to me And I would say that

[1:59:02] competency is in question When

[1:59:06] you can have children and

[1:59:06] promote that your child could

[1:59:13] potentially be abused that that

[1:59:13] doesn't make that make does

[1:59:14] conclude your time.

[1:59:15] >> Our next speaker is Liam mad

[1:59:15] that FEBRUARY?

[1:59:21] Please come forward.

[1:59:22] Good morning City Council.

[1:59:23] I hope I can have your

[1:59:28] attention for at least the next

[1:59:28] minute.

[1:59:29] My name is Liam Adventures.

[1:59:30] I'm a 14 year old from District

[1:59:30] seven.

[1:59:34] This council I believe should

[1:59:34] terminate its contract with Fox

[1:59:35] safety because it has been

[1:59:36] proven time and time again in

[1:59:36] San Diego and across

[1:59:40] the country that we cannot

[1:59:40] govern and effectively Consider

[1:59:41] this Within the first three

[1:59:45] weeks of operation we had

[1:59:46] 12,914 unauthorized searches in

[1:59:47] 2024 alone as deputy transfer

[1:59:51] data to a federal agency 62

[1:59:52] times that of fear in violation

[1:59:53] of California state law and

[1:59:57] the city's own privacy advisory

[1:59:58] Board recommended shutting this

[1:59:58] program down.

[1:59:59] This council overrode that 5 to

[1:59:59] 3.

[2:00:03] Moreover, these data also shows

[2:00:04] that 100 of the 140 aggregated

[2:00:07] database searches run in 2024

[2:00:08] only point 2% actually assisted

[2:00:08] investigations.

[2:00:14] So this is a federal reflection

[2:00:15] of the fatal shortcomings

[2:00:15] within Floc technology.

[2:00:16] El Cajon is being sued by

[2:00:17] the Attorney General for

[2:00:19] showing data illegally.

[2:00:19] Ventura County logged over

[2:00:25] 364,000 illegal data searches.

[2:00:26] One misconfigured camera in

[2:00:27] Mountain View exposed it to

[2:00:27] over 250 agencies and in San

[2:00:32] Francisco not so far from us it

[2:00:33] has been searched 1.6 million

[2:00:33] times by people without

[2:00:34] the legal authority to do so.

[2:00:38] And so then we have the same

[2:00:39] failure repeated across

[2:00:39] multiple jurisdictions.

[2:00:40] We have to ask is that a

[2:00:44] failure of implementation?

[2:00:45] I'd say no, it's a failure of

[2:00:46] the architecture.

[2:00:46] If we look at Floc it's built

[2:00:47] to make sure and very easy and

[2:00:50] accountability very difficult.

[2:00:51] And I personally believe that

[2:00:52] no policy this council passes

[2:00:53] can possibly change with

[2:00:53] systems built to do.

[2:00:57] And so this is why reform is

[2:00:57] not the answer because we

[2:00:58] cannot regulate or regulate our

[2:01:02] way around system or structural

[2:01:02] flaw.

[2:01:03] And so that's the only response

[2:01:04] that is proportional to this

[2:01:04] many that has failed many times

[2:01:08] in many places.

[2:01:09] And San Diego does not have to

[2:01:10] choose between public safety

[2:01:11] and governance because of a

[2:01:13] government that sacrifices one

[2:01:14] to protect the other actually

[2:01:14] protects the other.

[2:01:18] >> Thank you for listening.

[2:01:19] >> Good job.

[2:01:19] Thank you.

[2:01:20] Our next speaker is Anthony

[2:01:30] Ralphs.

[2:01:31] >> Where's Waldo and Wilbur?

[2:01:32] One more time.

[2:01:36] She's not here.

[2:01:37] And it gets really frustrating

[2:01:38] to know that we're paying

[2:01:38] council members that aren't

[2:01:39] present when we're wishing to

[2:01:42] address them.

[2:01:42] I don't know if she's on

[2:01:43] official business.

[2:01:43] It hasn't been spoken.

[2:01:49] If she is and again it is

[2:01:49] really frustrating to see empty

[2:01:50] seats when they're getting paid

[2:01:54] very well to not be listening

[2:01:54] to us.

[2:01:55] I brought these three flowers I

[2:01:56] want to give them to the three

[2:02:00] members of city council that

[2:02:01] voted for Flock.

[2:02:01] I know that I'm obviously

[2:02:02] against Flock but the reason

[2:02:06] why I got you these flowers is

[2:02:07] because six months ago seven

[2:02:08] months ago when you initially

[2:02:08] voted for Flock, if you hadn't

[2:02:12] done that I wouldn't have

[2:02:13] started paying attention Seven

[2:02:14] months ago I didn't know a

[2:02:14] single one of your names.

[2:02:17] I didn't know a single one of

[2:02:18] your positions on a plethora of

[2:02:18] issues.

[2:02:19] In that time I've gotten to

[2:02:19] know not only the issues I've

[2:02:22] got to know where you stand on

[2:02:23] many of these issues and I've

[2:02:24] gotten to learn a ton in that

[2:02:24] process.

[2:02:29] So it inadvertently woke a

[2:02:29] sleeping giant in me and it

[2:02:30] inadvertently woke a sleeping

[2:02:31] giant in this city And our

[2:02:35] civic participation is now at

[2:02:36] full throttle or at least

[2:02:36] minus.

[2:02:37] And I'm one of the privileged

[2:02:40] few who can come here on a

[2:02:41] regular basis who can afford to

[2:02:42] park, who can afford to take

[2:02:42] time off work.

[2:02:43] Not everyone can do that.

[2:02:46] And that's why I'm here

[2:02:47] routinely to represent this

[2:02:47] position.

[2:02:48] And even though I fundamentally

[2:02:52] disagree with you all I still

[2:02:53] got love for you all.

[2:02:53] I agree with what Joyce Sonata

[2:02:54] said when she says love to all.

[2:02:59] And so again, even though I

[2:02:59] disagree, I actually came

[2:03:00] yesterday with the intention of

[2:03:04] issuing you an apology because

[2:03:05] seven months ago when I called

[2:03:06] you out for not being present,

[2:03:06] I didn't know that you were on

[2:03:07] paternity leave.

[2:03:11] Like if I.

[2:03:12] I wish that more One Wilbert

[2:03:13] had some kind of an excuse or

[2:03:14] at least would give us a reason

[2:03:17] as to why she's not here right

[2:03:18] now so that we could at least

[2:03:19] know why she isn't present in

[2:03:22] helping us make the decisions

[2:03:23] that we need.

[2:03:23] I also wanted to mention

[2:03:24] the Supreme Court's decision

[2:03:24] yesterday.

[2:03:25] I wanted to read it to you and

[2:03:29] read it to those who were

[2:03:30] present but they ruled

[2:03:30] yesterday that law enforcement

[2:03:31] officials use the Geofence

[2:03:31] warrant.

[2:03:34] >> Think about that.

[2:03:35] Conclude your time.

[2:03:36] Basically they ruled that up.

[2:03:36] That does conclude your time.

[2:03:37] Thank you.

[2:03:41] Tomorrow I've started the five

[2:03:41] minute timer in council

[2:03:42] chambers and we'll now turn to

[2:03:46] virtual content.

[2:03:47] We will begin with Blair

[2:03:47] Beekman.

[2:03:53] Blair please begin.

[2:03:53] >> Hi.

[2:03:53] Blair Beekman.

[2:03:54] Thanks for the meeting today.

[2:03:58] Thanks a lot for the words of

[2:03:59] Tony.

[2:03:59] In the past year our council

[2:04:00] presidents have really learned

[2:04:06] the art form of getting out of

[2:04:07] meetings and especially with

[2:04:07] council PRESIDENT.

[2:04:08] But we'll begin to campaign all

[2:04:11] respect for her campaign that I

[2:04:11] hope he can win.

[2:04:12] I think he would be better

[2:04:17] served by staying at council

[2:04:18] meetings instead of always

[2:04:19] leaving now and per committee

[2:04:19] meetings.

[2:04:22] I think he would have a better

[2:04:23] campaign if he was at her

[2:04:24] regular meetings.

[2:04:24] We would respect her a lot

[2:04:24] more.

[2:04:29] I'm starting to disrespect what

[2:04:29] she's doing.

[2:04:30] It's becoming aggravating.

[2:04:30] It was an important day.

[2:04:35] She was supposed to be there So

[2:04:35] I'm upset.

[2:04:36] We've got to start returning to

[2:04:37] meetings more regularly And

[2:04:41] same with our other council.

[2:04:41] I also and thanks as always for

[2:04:46] the words of Anthony by the way

[2:04:47] .

[2:04:47] I wanted to comment on

[2:04:48] the comment.

[2:04:53] The idea is you know stormwater

[2:04:53] issues we had worries you know

[2:04:54] the past few years so we

[2:04:59] couldn't talk more openly and

[2:05:00] clearly we could have It's been

[2:05:00] a few years now.

[2:05:01] Can we please stop using

[2:05:04] the euphemisms sports utility

[2:05:05] lighting to talk about

[2:05:05] the depth of what our

[2:05:06] surveillance technology and our

[2:05:11] parks and rec center that's

[2:05:12] actually doing?

[2:05:12] Can we be more specific in that

[2:05:16] instead of it's a euphemism you

[2:05:17] guys are using?

[2:05:17] Let's really move past

[2:05:18] the euphemism please.

[2:05:22] It's safe It please trust it.

[2:05:22] Don't be fearful.

[2:05:23] Quick conversation is good.

[2:05:29] There's also concepts you know

[2:05:30] City of Oakland has a love life

[2:05:34] philosophy that I hope we can

[2:05:35] help that they don't want to do

[2:05:36] harm in their decision making.

[2:05:36] I think you can help a lot And

[2:05:41] the comment on your use in real

[2:05:47] time Police are confused.

[2:05:48] They don't quite know the rules

[2:05:49] of the road in when they can

[2:05:52] and can't talk about their data

[2:05:53] tech and we have to learn to

[2:05:54] have that open conversation so

[2:05:54] we can That's what I keep

[2:05:58] trying to say at this time.

[2:05:59] >> We have to have an open

[2:06:00] conversation not a closed thank

[2:06:00] you.

[2:06:05] That does conclude your time.

[2:06:05] Your next speaker is that

[2:06:06] could.

[2:06:16] Please begin.

[2:06:16] >> Good morning.

[2:06:17] My name is Becky Brock and I'm

[2:06:18] here today to ask for greater

[2:06:22] transfer and accountability in

[2:06:22] San Diego's marijuana

[2:06:23] permitting program.

[2:06:26] Seven years ago, Rancho

[2:06:27] Bernardo residents spent a

[2:06:27] significant amount of time

[2:06:28] participating in public

[2:06:33] processes But our neighborhood

[2:06:33] pot shop was approved.

[2:06:34] We attended hearings, submitted

[2:06:38] comments and carefully

[2:06:38] evaluated the applicant.

[2:06:39] But today if you visit

[2:06:44] the city's website, the permit

[2:06:45] still identifies the original

[2:06:49] permit holder not the business

[2:06:50] that is now actually holding

[2:06:51] the permit.

[2:06:51] We stumbled across industry

[2:06:57] publications that reported that

[2:06:57] the House has acquired 12

[2:07:02] existing pot shop permits in

[2:07:03] San Diego yet they're not

[2:07:03] updated on the city's website.

[2:07:08] That raises a simple question

[2:07:08] Why is it easier to learn who

[2:07:09] controls the city issued

[2:07:14] marijuana permit from an

[2:07:14] industry publication than from

[2:07:15] the city's own website?

[2:07:20] If owner ownership changes, if

[2:07:21] a permit is transferred or if a

[2:07:21] new company takes control of a

[2:07:22] pot show, the public shouldn't

[2:07:26] have to search through

[2:07:26] corporate records, state

[2:07:27] databases or trade publications

[2:07:31] to find that information.

[2:07:32] The community's interest

[2:07:32] doesn't end when the permit is

[2:07:33] approved.

[2:07:38] In many ways that's when

[2:07:39] transparency becomes even more

[2:07:39] important.

[2:07:40] So I urge the city to maintain

[2:07:44] an up to date publicly

[2:07:44] accessible database that

[2:07:45] identifies current permit

[2:07:50] holders and current operators.

[2:07:51] Ownership changes and permit

[2:07:55] transfers for every shop in

[2:07:56] the region.

[2:07:57] Residents deserve to know who

[2:07:57] is operating these businesses

[2:07:58] throughout the life of

[2:08:02] the permit not just on the day

[2:08:02] it was approved.

[2:08:03] Public participation should be

[2:08:08] matched by public transparency

[2:08:08] .

[2:08:08] >> Thank you.

[2:08:09] Thank you.

[2:08:10] Our next speaker is a caller

[2:08:13] with the last four digits

[2:08:14] 737234.

[2:08:19] Please begin.

[2:08:26] >> >> Good afternoon, City

[2:08:26] Council.

[2:08:27] My name is Kevin Skilling.

[2:08:27] I'm a parent public educator

[2:08:31] and I am a planning group

[2:08:31] member as well.

[2:08:32] When reviewing air quality in

[2:08:33] the city of San Diego and

[2:08:33] the role of tobacco related

[2:08:38] disease and death, it is very

[2:08:38] important to address

[2:08:39] disparities.

[2:08:39] The overall conclusion that

[2:08:43] tobacco takes a higher toll on

[2:08:44] less advantaged people is not

[2:08:49] new but needs to be carefully

[2:08:49] regarded when policies

[2:08:50] regarding smoking and vaping

[2:08:50] are considered.

[2:08:51] Here in California stained

[2:08:56] glass Faculty member at

[2:08:56] the University of California

[2:09:02] San Francisco uc ucsf School of

[2:09:03] Medicine and the Division of

[2:09:03] Cardiology stated and I quote

[2:09:07] It's important to recognize

[2:09:08] the growing role of cannabis in

[2:09:08] undermining tobacco control and

[2:09:09] contributing to health

[2:09:14] disparities especially given

[2:09:15] the prevalence of tobacco and

[2:09:19] cannabis use in youth and young

[2:09:20] adults and the socio economic

[2:09:21] and health disparities

[2:09:26] associated with chronic or

[2:09:27] daily use of marijuana or

[2:09:27] tobacco.

[2:09:31] Tobacco use which is of grave

[2:09:32] concern for public health

[2:09:36] educators who work on behalf of

[2:09:37] 18 to 30 year olds and those of

[2:09:38] us who are parent group of that

[2:09:43] specific age group.

[2:09:43] Protecting all city residents

[2:09:44] from exposure to secondhand

[2:09:48] tobacco and cannabis smoke in

[2:09:49] all indoor and outdoor settings

[2:09:49] should be a priority.

[2:09:54] Reducing the availability and

[2:09:55] advertising related to tobacco

[2:09:55] and marijuana should be a

[2:10:00] priority of our county and

[2:10:01] summer 2026 would be the best

[2:10:07] time for our city county to

[2:10:07] consider an emergency ban of

[2:10:12] marijuana and tobacco smoking

[2:10:13] and vaping in public spaces.

[2:10:13] Thank you for hearing my

[2:10:18] concerns This afternoon.

[2:10:19] >> Thank you.

[2:10:19] Please note the five minute

[2:10:20] timer did go off.

[2:10:24] We have seven speakers

[2:10:24] remaining in the queue.

[2:10:25] No further speakers will be

[2:10:25] taken.

[2:10:26] Kathleen Lippert please begin

[2:10:32] your comments.

[2:10:33] Thank you for letting me speak.

[2:10:33] I'd like to address the housing

[2:10:34] issue.

[2:10:38] The need for affordable housing

[2:10:39] is great but housing quickly

[2:10:40] becomes unaffordable when a

[2:10:44] city continues to add fee after

[2:10:45] fee d focus is only on one

[2:10:46] side The tenant landlord

[2:10:50] equation protections solely

[2:10:51] focused on tenants.

[2:10:57] MS. The expense that landlords

[2:11:03] are expenses are created for

[2:11:03] landlords.

[2:11:04] The city's failure to analyze

[2:11:08] both benefits and risks has led

[2:11:09] to higher cost of housing and a

[2:11:09] failure to protect those who

[2:11:10] deserve protection.

[2:11:14] Landlords cost for maintenance,

[2:11:15] upkeep, habitability standards,

[2:11:21] inflation can lead to landlords

[2:11:21] failing to properly maintain

[2:11:26] their property and the cost of

[2:11:26] remediating units where smoking

[2:11:27] or vaping has taken place adds

[2:11:33] an additional layer of costs as

[2:11:33] well as the health impacts that

[2:11:38] are caused by that.

[2:11:39] Anthony Infection rules do not

[2:11:40] allow for rent or landlords to

[2:11:44] evict problematic nuisance

[2:11:44] tenants.

[2:11:45] The eviction process is lengthy

[2:11:50] and costly and rent caps do not

[2:11:51] allow landlords to adjust rents

[2:11:56] in response to market changes.

[2:11:57] Screening restrictions that do

[2:11:57] not allow proper vetting of

[2:11:58] potential tenants can lead to

[2:12:02] tenants with a history of

[2:12:03] failing to pay their rent or

[2:12:08] previously damaged property and

[2:12:09] tenants who MAY exploit

[2:12:14] friendly tenant regulations.

[2:12:15] The cost of forcing landlords

[2:12:16] to accept tenants who cannot

[2:12:20] afford the rent or forcing

[2:12:20] landlords to accept government

[2:12:21] housing vouchers can lead to

[2:12:26] costs that are passed on to

[2:12:27] other tenants.

[2:12:27] A healthy rental market

[2:12:32] recognizes there are two

[2:12:32] entities involved in the rental

[2:12:33] market.

[2:12:38] Renters and landlords can

[2:12:38] adjust Include your time.

[2:12:39] Our next speaker is Madison.

[2:12:43] Please begin.

[2:12:44] >> I thank you City Council

[2:12:44] members.

[2:12:48] As a mother of three children I

[2:12:49] often think about how much care

[2:12:50] goes into protecting a baby

[2:12:54] before that child is even born

[2:12:54] .

[2:12:55] Pregnant women are told to

[2:12:55] watch what they eat, what

[2:13:00] medications they take and what

[2:13:00] substances they avoid because

[2:13:01] those early months matter So

[2:13:02] much for a child's development.

[2:13:06] That's why I think it's

[2:13:07] important to pay attention to

[2:13:07] what the medical community is

[2:13:08] saying about cannabis use

[2:13:08] during pregnancy.

[2:13:12] The American College of

[2:13:12] Obstetricians and Gynecologists

[2:13:13] recently updated its clinical

[2:13:14] guidance and stated that

[2:13:18] cannabis use during pregnancy

[2:13:18] has been associated with

[2:13:19] serious risks and spontaneous

[2:13:23] preterm birth, low birth weight

[2:13:24] and developmental delay.

[2:13:25] As marijuana becomes more

[2:13:30] socially accepted and easier to

[2:13:31] access, many women MAY assume

[2:13:31] it is harmless because it is

[2:13:36] often described as natural or

[2:13:36] even promoted as a way to help

[2:13:37] with stress or nausea.

[2:13:38] But doctors are very clear that

[2:13:42] there are no medical

[2:13:42] indications for cannabis use

[2:13:43] during pregnancy or during

[2:13:43] the postpartum period or in

[2:13:48] fact at all.

[2:13:48] Thc crosses the placenta

[2:13:49] meaning a developing baby is

[2:13:54] exposed during critical stages

[2:13:54] of growth when the brain and

[2:13:55] body are especially vulnerable.

[2:14:00] Mothers deserve honest

[2:14:01] information to make these

[2:14:02] decisions for their baby that's

[2:14:02] growing inside them.

[2:14:06] And if we are serious about

[2:14:06] protecting maternal and child

[2:14:07] health then public policy

[2:14:08] should reflect the medical

[2:14:12] evidence showing prenatal

[2:14:13] cannabis use is dangerous and

[2:14:13] not go along with the marketing

[2:14:15] narrative that says it's not.

[2:14:21] Thank you.

[2:14:22] >> Thank you.

[2:14:22] Our next speaker is Hector.

[2:14:28] Please begin.

[2:14:28] >> All right.

[2:14:29] The immigration front has

[2:14:29] stepped forward on the Supreme

[2:14:33] Court just ruled temporary

[2:14:34] legal status has been revoked

[2:14:38] for a million people.

[2:14:39] So anybody that works for this

[2:14:44] city who has temporary legal

[2:14:44] status you just got fired.

[2:14:45] Your history.

[2:14:49] You don't want the city aiding

[2:14:50] and abetting them with paydays.

[2:14:56] So talk to city Attorney that's

[2:14:57] aiding and abetting the guys

[2:15:01] with temporary legal service as

[2:15:02] status has been revoked.

[2:15:03] You're here $1,000 a day fine

[2:15:07] to be here illegally.

[2:15:08] So if you have any money in

[2:15:09] the bank you might want to take

[2:15:14] it out before Trump just brings

[2:15:15] on ice with the big teeth and

[2:15:15] then you can to play that game

[2:15:19] No more.

[2:15:20] Even though Somali guys have

[2:15:21] temporary legal status, there

[2:15:26] has to be then get back on

[2:15:26] the boat.

[2:15:27] They don't hold man for you

[2:15:31] Suffer too much.

[2:15:32] Save your suffering for Somalia

[2:15:37] and the homelands like Haiti

[2:15:38] and all other great countries.

[2:15:42] Please go back to your great

[2:15:43] country because The Iceman

[2:15:43] cometh.

[2:15:48] We got to change the song

[2:15:49] the theme song in San Diego to

[2:15:53] Ice Ice Baby.

[2:15:54] And I love those cameras.

[2:15:54] They just put a bunch more down

[2:15:59] by Fashion Valley.

[2:15:59] The brand new ones they

[2:16:00] installed about 20 of them so

[2:16:00] far.

[2:16:04] If you're in fashion Valley you

[2:16:05] might want to go somewhere else

[2:16:06] But there's a lot of cameras

[2:16:06] just brand new ones on

[2:16:10] the falls.

[2:16:11] They look state of the art So I

[2:16:12] don't know who's watching those

[2:16:16] cameras but you do and watch

[2:16:16] just the way it is.

[2:16:21] The mass rapid deportations are

[2:16:22] going to get better.

[2:16:22] There's other things that's

[2:16:23] going to happen.

[2:16:26] Trump's got to get the all

[2:16:27] the computerized programs and

[2:16:28] it's going to be pretty easy Do

[2:16:32] that does conclude your time.

[2:16:35] Our next speaker is caller with

[2:16:36] the last four digits 8700

[2:16:41] please begin.

[2:16:47] >> >> Joy of senator all city

[2:16:52] needs a new vision that fosters

[2:16:53] all components of our budget.

[2:16:58] Dear public all of you each of

[2:17:02] you are at the very top of

[2:17:03] the city organization chart.

[2:17:08] There has been a lot of

[2:17:09] passionate fighting in

[2:17:09] the chambers lately Fight for a

[2:17:14] budget, fight for a trash free

[2:17:19] fight for a parking fee fight

[2:17:20] against hate crimes and lots

[2:17:20] lots more.

[2:17:24] Yet in my opinion something is

[2:17:24] missing.

[2:17:25] We need a new vision for

[2:17:29] the city of San Diego.

[2:17:30] A noble vision for the great

[2:17:35] city We want to become.

[2:17:35] This would be the kickstart we

[2:17:40] need for the boldness we need

[2:17:40] to unravel.

[2:17:45] And so what is not working at

[2:17:49] our city structure will core

[2:17:50] your public.

[2:17:55] All of you are at the very top

[2:17:55] of our city's organization

[2:17:56] chart.

[2:18:00] Let's work together as one to

[2:18:01] create a new more noble Excuse

[2:18:05] me.

[2:18:06] Let's work together as one to

[2:18:11] create a new noble vision for

[2:18:11] our beautiful city.

[2:18:15] Now I love you all and I want

[2:18:16] to finish with wishing all of

[2:18:20] you a really wonderful 4th of

[2:18:21] JULY legislative recess.

[2:18:22] See you when you get back.

[2:18:22] Thank you.

[2:18:24] And I will speak to fast

[2:18:28] spreading love to all.

[2:18:29] Thank you.

[2:18:30] Our next speaker in Casco

[2:18:38] please begin.

[2:18:38] Ernie Casco once again.

[2:18:39] What is the main issue at

[2:18:43] Torrey Pines Glider Port?

[2:18:44] We the people are being forced

[2:18:45] to buy insurance now required

[2:18:48] by law and an access pass

[2:18:49] waiver to use public park.

[2:18:53] This is insurance fraud and

[2:18:54] misappropriation of public

[2:18:55] funds and going into private

[2:18:58] accounts.

[2:18:58] A racketeering operation which

[2:18:59] demands full transparency city

[2:19:02] audit that would end

[2:19:03] the corruption within Torrey

[2:19:04] Pines Great Port Management.

[2:19:07] City Council has a proven

[2:19:08] solution The San Diego

[2:19:09] recreational waiver secures

[2:19:12] city liabilities, isolates

[2:19:13] safety concerns and stops

[2:19:14] the illegal collection of

[2:19:17] public funding and the private

[2:19:18] accounts By separating

[2:19:19] the business from normal free

[2:19:23] public access by allowing

[2:19:24] the business to stay and pay

[2:19:24] their own bills are failing

[2:19:25] like every other business in

[2:19:28] public parks and lands.

[2:19:29] There are laws to protect us.

[2:19:32] Who is liable?

[2:19:37] The City Council is responsible

[2:19:37] to provide police reports that

[2:19:38] normally provide justice for

[2:19:42] the victims and witnesses who

[2:19:43] have been damaged by your

[2:19:43] leaseholder.

[2:19:44] There are common business laws

[2:19:47] to protect the public on how

[2:19:48] businesses should be run in

[2:19:48] public parks and lands.

[2:19:52] You need to apply those rules

[2:19:52] to your leaseholder.

[2:19:53] The San Diego recreational

[2:19:57] waiver is a win for City

[2:19:57] council liabilities.

[2:19:58] Using common contract laws that

[2:20:01] legally restores

[2:20:02] the recreational rights and

[2:20:02] freedoms for years to come.

[2:20:06] Thank you, Ernie Casco.

[2:20:07] It's time for you to stop

[2:20:11] the crime in your own office or

[2:20:12] step out of office.

[2:20:12] >> Representing San Diego Hoya

[2:20:16] residents.

[2:20:19] >> >> Our next speaker is John

[2:20:19] Stump.

[2:20:24] >> Please begin.

[2:20:24] >> Thank you.

[2:20:29] Happy Philippines Independence

[2:20:29] Weekend and United States

[2:20:34] independence Weekend.

[2:20:34] I want to speak I want to

[2:20:39] request that the council read

[2:20:42] Docket Ordinance 0261 one nine

[2:20:48] on the fees to register an

[2:20:57] appeal The Council made

[2:20:57] the determination that work was

[2:21:03] based not on reasonable or

[2:21:03] rational basis costs The city

[2:21:07] appeal costs are now if c Dixit

[2:21:07] and the staff report that

[2:21:08] the fees were based on

[2:21:12] contained obvious mathematical

[2:21:12] errors.

[2:21:14] I you know I'm protesting these

[2:21:20] fees because it now excludes

[2:21:25] the common man.

[2:21:25] I can't believe that Democrats

[2:21:30] would set fees so high to

[2:21:34] exclude the participation of

[2:21:35] the common working man.

[2:21:40] Fees are now so high that it's

[2:21:40] the same as rent.

[2:21:44] Additionally, I've asked MISS

[2:21:45] Fuentes to contact me

[2:21:50] concerning the appeal notice

[2:21:50] that is being sent out for

[2:21:54] appeals before the City Council

[2:21:59] for quasi judicial hearings.

[2:22:00] There's one set for the seventh

[2:22:04] and the way it's set up is

[2:22:04] the defendant.

[2:22:05] The executive branch gets

[2:22:09] notice and participation while

[2:22:13] the appellant gets no

[2:22:13] recognition.

[2:22:14] That whole notice has to be re

[2:22:18] sent out or revised or

[2:22:18] something.

[2:22:23] It's seriously flawed and

[2:22:23] doesn't meet legal standards.

[2:22:28] So I asked City Clerk Fuentes

[2:22:29] to call me.

[2:22:29] >> Thank you.

[2:22:30] Thank you for your time.

[2:22:30] Thank you.

[2:22:33] Our next and last speaker is

[2:22:33] Judy Strang.

[2:22:42] Please begin.

[2:22:42] >> Good afternoon.

[2:22:43] Excuse me.

[2:22:46] Good afternoon, City Council.

[2:22:47] Thank you for the all

[2:22:51] the behind the scenes

[2:22:52] operations that allow those of

[2:22:52] us who are on the worksite

[2:22:53] today to call in and share some

[2:22:56] thoughts and observations

[2:22:57] because of the experiences that

[2:22:58] we have that are applicable we

[2:23:01] think to the decisions you are

[2:23:02] making.

[2:23:02] I wanted to continue my

[2:23:06] thoughts when I spoke to s54

[2:23:07] regarding Alzheimer's and brain

[2:23:11] awareness Month.

[2:23:12] And I mentioned I think that

[2:23:12] there's two sort of issues

[2:23:13] going on.

[2:23:15] One both of which I'm familiar

[2:23:19] with a family member who has a

[2:23:20] traumatic brain injury choice

[2:23:24] he didn't make And it's been

[2:23:25] horrific for him and

[2:23:25] caregivers.

[2:23:26] And then on the other hand,

[2:23:29] another family member who's

[2:23:30] unfortunately wasted his

[2:23:34] beautiful brain because he

[2:23:38] began his marijuana use at 17.

[2:23:39] And we all know I think it's

[2:23:43] been pretty clear from

[2:23:44] the research that adolescent

[2:23:47] brains continue to be formed up

[2:23:48] until they're 25.

[2:23:48] That's partially why marijuana

[2:23:49] addiction is considered a

[2:23:52] pediatric onset disease.

[2:23:53] And so preventing young people

[2:23:57] from initiating marijuana and

[2:23:58] other drug use is really their

[2:23:58] best chance for fulfilling

[2:24:01] their potential.

[2:24:02] A research that I think we MAY

[2:24:03] have mentioned before but I

[2:24:07] think comes as no new news to

[2:24:08] you all that what children and

[2:24:11] young adults see in their city

[2:24:12] affects how they feel about

[2:24:15] choices They make a particular

[2:24:16] or this research suggests that

[2:24:17] the commercial marijuana

[2:24:20] enterprises that are in their

[2:24:21] community, in their

[2:24:21] neighborhoods mutes their

[2:24:25] perception of risk and

[2:24:26] increases the use of

[2:24:26] the substances.

[2:24:31] Which also compounded here in

[2:24:32] the city of San Diego because

[2:24:32] we have billboards and you

[2:24:35] don't see billboards for Fenton

[2:24:36] all that you sure do for

[2:24:37] marijuana.

[2:24:37] And so again, we're headed into

[2:24:40] summer time.

[2:24:41] We have young people out there

[2:24:41] recreating and it's important

[2:24:44] for us to look around our city

[2:24:45] and see what influences our

[2:24:45] choices.

[2:24:46] >> Thank you.

[2:24:46] Thank you.

[2:24:50] That does conclude knowledge

[2:24:51] and the public on it.

[2:24:51] All right.

[2:24:52] Thank you, Deputy Clerk We are

[2:24:54] now adjourned for the noon

[2:24:55] recess and reconvene open

[2:24:55] session at 2 P.M. Or shortly

[2:25:03] thereafter.

[2:40:39] >> And

[2:40:39] the already thank you for your

[2:40:40] patience.

[2:40:40] >> Good afternoon.

[2:40:43] I will now reconvene the City

[2:40:43] Council meeting of Tuesday,

[2:40:44] JUNE 30th, 2026.

[2:40:47] Clerk Please call the roll.

[2:40:48] >> >> Thank you.

[2:40:52] Council PRESIDENT Councilmember

[2:40:53] Campbell Councilmember Whitburn

[2:40:58] Councilmember Foster here.

[2:41:02] Councilmember Von Wilpert

[2:41:03] Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee

[2:41:07] Councilmember Ocampo.

[2:41:07] Councilmember Moreno

[2:41:11] Councilmember Ella Rivera and

[2:41:12] Council PRESIDENT LaCava

[2:41:17] present also attending

[2:41:17] the meeting are Assistant City

[2:41:18] Attorney Michelle Garland,

[2:41:18] independent budget analyst

[2:41:22] Charles Monica, Council Affairs

[2:41:22] advisor in the Mayor's office,

[2:41:26] Code advisor and myself here

[2:41:27] Deputy City Clerk Kevin Smith

[2:41:28] All right, thank you Deputy

[2:41:29] Clerk And with that

[2:41:30] Councilmember Foster, can you

[2:41:35] read your statement?

[2:41:35] Yes, Thank you.

[2:41:40] Council PRESIDENT I am

[2:41:41] notifying the city council and

[2:41:45] the public that I am attending

[2:41:46] the meeting today remotely due

[2:41:46] to just cause related to travel

[2:41:49] while on official business

[2:41:50] pursuant to the Brown Act I am

[2:41:51] disclosing that there are no

[2:41:55] individuals 18 years of age or

[2:41:56] older present in the room with

[2:41:59] me I will update this

[2:42:00] disclosure if it changes during

[2:42:04] the course of the meeting.

[2:42:04] >> All right.

[2:42:05] Thank you sir.

[2:42:09] A quorum is now present for our

[2:42:10] first order of business This

[2:42:10] afternoon we have a request

[2:42:13] from staff to return item 331.

[2:42:14] I would like to make a

[2:42:14] statement.

[2:42:23] Michael, but there you go.

[2:42:23] Okay.

[2:42:24] Thank you.

[2:42:24] Council PRESIDENT Michael

[2:42:27] Prinz, Assistant deputy

[2:42:28] director in the Development

[2:42:28] Services Department staff is

[2:42:29] requesting that the item be

[2:42:32] returned to staff to allow

[2:42:33] further review of

[2:42:33] the appellant's letter received

[2:42:36] on Thursday, JUNE 25th and then

[2:42:37] to bring that back at a later

[2:42:37] date.

[2:42:40] >> All right.

[2:42:41] Thank you, sir.

[2:42:41] I take notice of public

[2:42:46] hearings pretty seriously And

[2:42:46] so in addition to the staff's

[2:42:47] request, I also ask them to

[2:42:50] give us evidence that

[2:42:51] the appellant in fact is

[2:42:51] comfortable with this being

[2:42:54] delayed to take into

[2:42:55] consideration the additional

[2:42:55] information.

[2:42:59] So without objection that my

[2:43:00] colleagues will return this

[2:43:00] item to staff and look for it

[2:43:04] to be in docketed probably

[2:43:04] after the summer recess.

[2:43:08] Thank you sir.

[2:43:09] With that clerk Deputy Clerk

[2:43:14] please introduce item 330.

[2:43:17] >> Item 330 is residential

[2:43:18] rental price gouging, fee

[2:43:20] exploitation and cost

[2:43:40] transparency Ordinance Um

[2:43:40] Council member Yellow Do we

[2:43:41] want to make some opening

[2:43:43] comments before turning it over

[2:43:44] to your team?

[2:43:44] >> Thank you.

[2:43:48] Council PRESIDENT All right.

[2:43:48] Last year the council had a

[2:43:49] select committee to address

[2:43:53] the cost of living and a lot of

[2:43:54] good work happened there

[2:43:54] including the residential

[2:43:57] tenant utility ordinance.

[2:43:58] And when that item came to

[2:43:59] council there was a message we

[2:44:00] heard from many renters across

[2:44:03] San Diego that while that

[2:44:03] ordinance would be helpful

[2:44:07] there were there was still a

[2:44:08] sea of fees that they were

[2:44:12] drowning in and having a real

[2:44:12] impact on their ability to

[2:44:16] afford to live in San Diego.

[2:44:17] So today you will have an

[2:44:17] opportunity to discuss and

[2:44:21] workshop a draft ordinance

[2:44:21] meant to protect renters

[2:44:22] throughout San Diego During

[2:44:23] public comment we will hear

[2:44:26] stories from San Diegans that

[2:44:26] have experienced and continue

[2:44:30] to face junk fees every day.

[2:44:31] We also hear opposition to

[2:44:32] the ordinance as we do every

[2:44:35] time we take and take steps to

[2:44:36] protect renters in this city we

[2:44:37] will hear that it will be

[2:44:40] impossible to be a landlord.

[2:44:40] But there are examples

[2:44:41] throughout the country of

[2:44:44] similar ordinances that provide

[2:44:45] the same protections that are

[2:44:45] being presented here today.

[2:44:50] What I think we need to make

[2:44:50] clear is who the city is

[2:44:54] actually working for and it

[2:44:55] should be every day San Diegans

[2:44:56] that make up the heart of our

[2:44:59] city not corporate interests.

[2:45:00] And with that I'll hand it over

[2:45:01] to Jeffrey to begin

[2:45:04] the presentation.

[2:45:04] Thank you.

[2:45:09] Hello, Council PRESIDENT.

[2:45:10] Like other members of the City

[2:45:11] council, my name is Jeffrey

[2:45:11] Nguyen.

[2:45:12] I'm presenting on behalf of

[2:45:13] Councilmember Isla Rivera and

[2:45:14] presenting item 330 residential

[2:45:15] rental price gouging for

[2:45:18] exploitation and cost

[2:45:18] transparency ordinance.

[2:45:23] >> I need about ten minutes.

[2:45:24] >> Item 330 is an informational

[2:45:28] item I'll be going over

[2:45:28] the draft ordinance and we are

[2:45:29] seeking input from the public

[2:45:33] and council members.

[2:45:34] >> First our fight background

[2:45:36] and additional context and one

[2:45:37] we are bringing forward this

[2:45:37] proposed ordinance.

[2:45:41] The purpose of this ordinance

[2:45:42] is to make housing more

[2:45:42] affordable.

[2:45:43] Respond to concerns or requests

[2:45:46] we have heard from San Diegans

[2:45:46] and to promote fairness, equity

[2:45:47] and transparency regarding how

[2:45:50] landlords charge fees to

[2:45:50] residential tenants and

[2:45:55] applicants.

[2:45:55] >> This item was originally

[2:45:56] brought forward at the Select

[2:46:00] Committee on Addressing Cost of

[2:46:01] Living on OCTOBER 30th, 2025.

[2:46:01] The item in committee presented

[2:46:05] a proposed aspects to be

[2:46:06] drafted into the draft

[2:46:06] ordinance as part of the Action

[2:46:10] Council District four and nine

[2:46:10] were directed to work with

[2:46:11] the City Attorney's Office to

[2:46:14] draft an ordinance to be later

[2:46:14] presented for discussion which

[2:46:19] we are doing here today.

[2:46:20] At the same time this item was

[2:46:21] heard at committee the county

[2:46:25] was simultaneously working on a

[2:46:25] similar ordinance.

[2:46:26] Our office partnered with

[2:46:26] the offices of Supervisor

[2:46:30] Montgomery Staab and Supervisor

[2:46:30] Gary to develop similar

[2:46:34] ordinances for the city and

[2:46:35] the county.

[2:46:35] Since last year we have worked

[2:46:36] together to draft all our

[2:46:38] ordinances and they mirror each

[2:46:42] other as much as possible.

[2:46:43] This is a brief overview of

[2:46:46] the rental market per Redfin in

[2:46:47] quarter three of 2024 in

[2:46:50] the San Diego metro area 48% of

[2:46:53] San Diegans were renters And as

[2:46:54] of MAY 2026 the average rent in

[2:46:55] San Diego was approximate

[2:46:59] Approximately $3,027.

[2:47:02] Of the renters in San Diego

[2:47:03] about 110,000 are cost burdened

[2:47:03] or pay more than 30% of their

[2:47:07] income to rent.

[2:47:08] This chart shows the proportion

[2:47:09] of recent renters by the number

[2:47:12] of applications they submitted.

[2:47:13] A 2024 report by the White

[2:47:13] House Council of Economic

[2:47:17] Advisors reports the burden of

[2:47:21] application fees totaled 176

[2:47:21] million each year.

[2:47:25] A 2025 Zillow Consumer Housing

[2:47:25] Trends report noted fees MAY

[2:47:29] not apply equally throughout

[2:47:30] the rental market.

[2:47:30] Recent renters of color

[2:47:34] reported paying higher total

[2:47:34] amounts in application fees.

[2:47:38] They are also more likely to

[2:47:39] report paying at least one

[2:47:39] recurring fee and renters

[2:47:43] between the ages of 18 and 29

[2:47:46] are most likely to pay at least

[2:47:52] one recurring fee.

[2:47:52] San Diego are cost burdened.

[2:47:56] Cost of living expenses are

[2:47:57] going up but working families

[2:48:01] incomes are not keeping pace.

[2:48:01] Jeung fees are a growing

[2:48:02] problem burdening San Diegans.

[2:48:06] On the following slide our real

[2:48:07] example shared to our Office of

[2:48:07] Fees.

[2:48:08] Tenants have been charged

[2:48:10] renting in San Diego.

[2:48:11] This slide shows an additional

[2:48:12] fee to tenants for choosing a

[2:48:18] month to month lease option.

[2:48:19] >> This is a quote from a San

[2:48:20] Diego n whose landlord removed

[2:48:22] their garage from their rent

[2:48:23] agreement unless they paid an

[2:48:28] additional $600 fee per month.

[2:48:29] >> The next two slides are from

[2:48:32] another San Diego and who

[2:48:33] struggle to find a new home on

[2:48:33] short notice.

[2:48:36] Their landlord gave them 60 day

[2:48:37] notice to move out with a

[2:48:38] household of eight three adults

[2:48:38] and five children.

[2:48:41] They had a pay application and

[2:48:42] screening fees for three adults

[2:48:43] for every unit they applied to.

[2:48:46] They spent over $400 to apply

[2:48:46] not to get housing just to

[2:48:50] apply.

[2:48:51] They shared with our office

[2:48:52] that every denied application

[2:48:55] was met with the same response

[2:48:56] that someone else has chosen or

[2:48:59] they had too many application.

[2:49:00] >> In all of these instances

[2:49:04] the landlord kept that money.

[2:49:05] >> Rental fees Are any payment

[2:49:10] or charged imposed by a

[2:49:11] landlord to a tenant.

[2:49:11] A rental fee does not include

[2:49:14] rent late fees security

[2:49:15] deposits and utility charges.

[2:49:16] Here are some examples of

[2:49:16] rental fees that tenants MAY

[2:49:19] need to pay to find a home or

[2:49:20] to continue living in their

[2:49:23] home.

[2:49:24] >> Other jurisdictions have

[2:49:25] begun taking actions against

[2:49:28] unnecessary or excessive fee

[2:49:29] practices.

[2:49:29] Bellingham, Washington Captain

[2:49:33] Late fees do 2% of outstanding

[2:49:34] monthly rent past due cap

[2:49:34] security deposits and

[2:49:38] prohibitive fee for the use of

[2:49:39] in unit appliances.

[2:49:42] Access to common areas and more

[2:49:43] .

[2:49:43] >> The State of Virginia

[2:49:48] requires fee transparency

[2:49:48] capped late fees and provided a

[2:49:49] grace period for the late

[2:49:53] payment of rent.

[2:49:53] >> The state of Colorado

[2:49:54] prohibits persons from

[2:49:58] misrepresenting the pricing of

[2:49:58] goods and services and

[2:49:59] prohibited landlords from

[2:50:03] requiring tenants to pay a fee

[2:50:03] for the processing of rents and

[2:50:04] for the services necessary to

[2:50:05] comply with

[2:50:05] the responsibilities or

[2:50:11] obligation of the landlord.

[2:50:12] The state of Colorado also

[2:50:12] restricted pet deposits, pet

[2:50:16] rents and pet related rental

[2:50:16] fees.

[2:50:17] This graph shows the housing

[2:50:21] market in Colorado in response

[2:50:22] to the bill.

[2:50:22] The blue vertical line shows

[2:50:25] the implementation date and

[2:50:26] the graph shows the proportion

[2:50:27] of rentals that were pet

[2:50:27] friendly.

[2:50:29] As you can see the proportion

[2:50:30] of pet friendly units did not

[2:50:34] decrease.

[2:50:35] There are a number of state

[2:50:36] laws that regulate and provide

[2:50:36] certain protections on rental

[2:50:39] fees.

[2:50:40] Our proposal builds on current

[2:50:40] state law to provide additional

[2:50:44] needed protections.

[2:50:45] With this background this leads

[2:50:51] into our policy proposal Since

[2:50:52] MAY 19th when the item was

[2:50:53] originally scheduled to be

[2:50:55] heard, there has been one

[2:50:56] addition to the draft.

[2:50:57] I would like to note under

[2:50:57] exemptions we have added

[2:50:59] the exemption of affordable

[2:51:04] housing excluding Section eight

[2:51:04] .

[2:51:05] The proposed ordinance is

[2:51:06] divided into two main portions

[2:51:10] charges to applicants and

[2:51:10] charges to tenants under

[2:51:11] charges to applicants.

[2:51:11] A landlord shall accept an

[2:51:14] applicant screening report and

[2:51:15] not charge the applicant for

[2:51:16] the landlord to separately

[2:51:18] obtain any information

[2:51:19] including included in

[2:51:24] the applicant screening report

[2:51:24] .

[2:51:24] A landlord MAY charge an

[2:51:25] applicant a holding deposit in

[2:51:28] an amount not to exceed 5% of

[2:51:28] monthly rent for

[2:51:29] the residential rental property

[2:51:32] being held.

[2:51:33] If the landlord and applicant

[2:51:33] applicant fail to finalize a

[2:51:37] lease the landlord shall refund

[2:51:38] the holding deposit to

[2:51:38] the applicant or apply

[2:51:42] the holding deposit to rent or

[2:51:43] the security deposit.

[2:51:46] If they fail to finalize a

[2:51:47] lease at no fault of

[2:51:48] the applicant the landlord

[2:51:48] shall refund the holding

[2:51:51] deposit within five business

[2:51:51] days from the date the hold on

[2:51:56] the property expires and

[2:52:01] charges to tenants.

[2:52:02] A landlord tenant charge a

[2:52:02] tenant recurring fees and a

[2:52:05] cumulative amount and greater

[2:52:06] than 5% of monthly rent If a

[2:52:06] fee is recurring at intervals

[2:52:10] other than monthly.

[2:52:10] The landlord shall prorate

[2:52:14] the fee to a monthly rate for

[2:52:15] the purposes of this section.

[2:52:16] A landlord shall not charge a

[2:52:19] tenant a late fee in an amount

[2:52:20] greater than 2% of monthly

[2:52:20] rent.

[2:52:24] A Landlords are not charged a

[2:52:25] tenant a late fee unless rent

[2:52:28] is overdue by seven days or

[2:52:28] greater.

[2:52:29] A landlord shall apply any

[2:52:32] payments by or on behalf of

[2:52:33] the tenant first to rent and do

[2:52:34] and then to any unpaid late

[2:52:40] fees a landlord charge that

[2:52:41] charge a tenant an amount

[2:52:42] greater than the processing fee

[2:52:45] imposed on the landlord.

[2:52:46] A Landlords are not charged a

[2:52:50] tenant a fee for services

[2:52:50] solicited by a landlord to

[2:52:51] maintain the residential rental

[2:52:55] property in a habitable

[2:52:55] condition.

[2:52:56] >> For example pest control a

[2:52:59] landlord shall not charge a

[2:53:00] tenant a fee for a tenant to

[2:53:01] own or maintain a common

[2:53:03] household pet at their

[2:53:08] residential rental property.

[2:53:09] The American Society for

[2:53:09] the Prevention of Cruelty to

[2:53:12] Animals The aspca provided our

[2:53:13] office data and insight into

[2:53:14] pet fees in San Diego.

[2:53:18] Pet related charges are shown

[2:53:18] here.

[2:53:19] They are broken down by pet

[2:53:22] fees, pet deposits and pet rent

[2:53:22] .

[2:53:23] Many of these fees were charged

[2:53:27] per pet.

[2:53:28] >> Finally a landlord shall not

[2:53:32] charge a tenant if he does not

[2:53:33] specified in the lease.

[2:53:33] A tenant MAY agree in writing

[2:53:37] to a proposed fee not specify

[2:53:38] it in the lease.

[2:53:38] After the landlord provides a

[2:53:39] written notice to the tenant

[2:53:42] not less than 30 days before

[2:53:43] the fee is intended to go into

[2:53:47] effect the written notice shall

[2:53:47] include the following purpose

[2:53:52] for the fee total amount of

[2:53:53] the fee in the amount of each

[2:53:53] charge of the fee if charged in

[2:53:56] intervals the duration the fee

[2:53:57] will be charged if charged in

[2:54:00] intervals The commencement

[2:54:01] date.

[2:54:01] The fee will be charged an

[2:54:05] itemized billing for the fee.

[2:54:06] In other words, a tenant can

[2:54:07] reject a proposed new fee Their

[2:54:11] landlord is trying to impose

[2:54:11] that has not already been

[2:54:15] specified in the lease.

[2:54:16] >> a landlord shall disclose in

[2:54:20] a clear conspicuous manner

[2:54:21] the following information on

[2:54:21] any website or advertisement

[2:54:25] that list an available rental.

[2:54:25] The total amount of charges for

[2:54:29] submission and consideration of

[2:54:30] an application to lease a

[2:54:31] residential rental property an

[2:54:34] itemized as to each charge

[2:54:35] the total monthly rent

[2:54:35] the total amount of fees

[2:54:39] whether the fees are optional

[2:54:40] or required, the nature and

[2:54:43] purpose of the fees and

[2:54:43] the timing and frequency

[2:54:48] the fees will be charged.

[2:54:49] >> a landlord's itemized all

[2:54:54] fees distinct from rent in

[2:54:54] the lease and on any bill or

[2:54:55] invoice to the tenant Each fee

[2:54:56] must be intelligible and

[2:55:01] distinct from other fees.

[2:55:02] On this slide is a current

[2:55:03] example pulled from various

[2:55:03] Zillow listings.

[2:55:07] A fee transparency and fee

[2:55:07] disclosure in an online

[2:55:11] advertisement.

[2:55:11] >> This concludes

[2:55:12] the presentation.

[2:55:16] For the sake of time I provided

[2:55:17] a high level overview of

[2:55:17] the ordinance and I'm happy to

[2:55:21] go over any portion in detail.

[2:55:22] >> Thank you.

[2:55:22] Thank you Jeffrey.

[2:55:23] Counselors I'll just conclude

[2:55:25] by saying again this is a

[2:55:26] conversation that started last

[2:55:26] year.

[2:55:27] I want to thank Councilmember

[2:55:30] Foster for his partnership

[2:55:31] since committee and the work of

[2:55:35] his office in addition to

[2:55:35] the partnership of our

[2:55:36] colleagues at the county

[2:55:40] supervisor Montgomery Step in

[2:55:40] Supervisor Gary they've all

[2:55:41] been very helpful in getting us

[2:55:41] to this point.

[2:55:42] >> Thank you, Council

[2:55:42] PRESIDENT.

[2:55:45] All right then Councilmember

[2:55:46] Ella Rivera and your officers

[2:55:49] work And to Jeremy and Maya for

[2:55:50] the presentation.

[2:55:50] With that deputy clerk please

[2:55:56] proceed with public comment.

[2:55:57] >> Thank you.

[2:55:57] Council PRESIDENT.

[2:55:58] This item received five

[2:56:00] comments in favor and 27

[2:56:01] comments in opposition via our

[2:56:05] e comment form which has been

[2:56:06] distributed to the Council.

[2:56:06] Each speaker will have one

[2:56:06] minute.

[2:56:10] We will begin with in-person

[2:56:10] comment.

[2:56:12] Diandra kron please come.

[2:56:17] Please come forward.

[2:56:18] And after diandra we will have

[2:56:19] William Snell.

[2:56:22] Stephanie Benvenuto and Susan

[2:56:22] Ornelas.

[2:56:27] Please come sit in the front

[2:56:28] row and be ready to speak.

[2:56:28] >> Please begin.

[2:56:28] Good afternoon.

[2:56:32] Council members.

[2:56:32] My name is Deandra Cryan.

[2:56:33] I'm a vice PRESIDENT And

[2:56:34] Assistant general counsel for

[2:56:36] Valley Living for Compliance

[2:56:37] and Environmental Health.

[2:56:38] I'm also a local California

[2:56:38] resident.

[2:56:41] I'm here today regarding

[2:56:42] the proposed fee restrictions

[2:56:42] on housing providers

[2:56:46] specifically as they relate to

[2:56:46] valet trash.

[2:56:47] Valet living has set

[2:56:50] the standard for amenity

[2:56:51] multifamily waste management

[2:56:52] management for over 30 years.

[2:56:55] We service more than 2 million

[2:56:56] apartment homes every night

[2:57:00] across the United States and in

[2:57:00] San Diego County alone.

[2:57:04] We employ 128 w2 Associates

[2:57:05] with an annual payroll of 1.6

[2:57:06] million.

[2:57:06] Many of those part time workers

[2:57:10] local to the city who rely on

[2:57:11] their income to support their

[2:57:11] families.

[2:57:12] I want to be direct.

[2:57:15] Valley trash is not a baseline

[2:57:16] habitability service.

[2:57:20] It's an operational add on

[2:57:21] amenity designed to enhance and

[2:57:21] optimize waste management,

[2:57:25] improve being resident

[2:57:26] satisfaction, waste diversion

[2:57:26] and safety.

[2:57:30] We support strong disclosure

[2:57:35] however.

[2:57:35] >> Thank you.

[2:57:36] That concludes your time.

[2:57:36] Thank you.

[2:57:39] Our next speaker is William

[2:57:40] Snell.

[2:57:45] >> William, you have a Amanda

[2:57:46] MacDonald seating you time

[2:57:47] Amanda can you raise your hand?

[2:57:50] >> Thank you.

[2:57:50] And you also have a

[2:57:51] presentation which our staff

[2:57:54] will um.

[2:57:55] Oh good.

[2:57:55] Yeah.

[2:58:04] Okay.

[2:58:05] >> Uh, first of all, good

[2:58:07] afternoon to everyone.

[2:58:13] Next slide please.

[2:58:14] Circa 1980, my parents built a

[2:58:18] small apartment building within

[2:58:19] a moderate walking distance

[2:58:19] from where we are now located.

[2:58:23] We currently have tenants that

[2:58:24] have been there 12 years 18

[2:58:27] years on the state over 20

[2:58:28] years.

[2:58:29] We try to provide a quality

[2:58:32] environment at a very

[2:58:33] reasonable price.

[2:58:38] Next slide please.

[2:58:38] I have never charged for

[2:58:39] screening fee.

[2:58:39] I've never charged anyone at

[2:58:41] any time for screening for a

[2:58:45] period.

[2:58:50] Next slide please.

[2:58:51] I do not use holding deposits.

[2:58:52] I believe the handshake between

[2:58:56] honorable individuals should be

[2:58:56] entirely adequate.

[2:59:00] Next slide please.

[2:59:01] I do not charge for water.

[2:59:07] Pest control or trash?

[2:59:07] I can remember a time when

[2:59:10] the city of San Diego picked up

[2:59:14] the trash for free.

[2:59:14] Next slide please.

[2:59:20] I have not charged a late fee

[2:59:21] in over a decade and that

[2:59:24] individual had more problems

[2:59:29] than just a late fee.

[2:59:30] Next slide please.

[2:59:34] I do not charge for parking.

[2:59:35] Neighbors have come to my

[2:59:35] property.

[2:59:36] And by the way I do not claim

[2:59:36] ownership.

[2:59:39] I am only a steward of

[2:59:40] the small family business.

[2:59:41] Neighbors have come to my

[2:59:45] property and requested to rent

[2:59:45] parking spaces.

[2:59:46] Next slide please.

[2:59:51] I've always turned them down

[2:59:51] because I believe the parking

[2:59:52] spaces should be deemed to

[2:59:56] the residents who have first

[2:59:56] priority.

[2:59:57] But the neighborhood does

[3:00:00] desperately need more parking.

[3:00:00] Next slide, please.

[3:00:06] There was a widespread

[3:00:07] discussion of disclosure of all

[3:00:11] manner of fees timing, purpose

[3:00:11] .

[3:00:12] >> That does conclude your

[3:00:12] time.

[3:00:13] Thank you.

[3:00:17] Fast forward to the last slide

[3:00:17] .

[3:00:18] I'm sorry, sir.

[3:00:19] That does conclude your time.

[3:00:28] We want to move on.

[3:00:29] >> I want to go after that.

[3:00:29] Our next speaker is Stephanie

[3:00:30] Benvenuto.

[3:00:34] Stephanie, you have four people

[3:00:35] sitting your time.

[3:00:35] When I call your name, please

[3:00:36] raise your hand.

[3:00:39] Matt Aubrey.

[3:00:40] I didn't make it in time.

[3:00:40] Okay.

[3:00:43] James Lawson.

[3:00:49] Ilya Ramirez.

[3:00:50] No.

[3:00:55] And Crystal Valentine.

[3:00:55] Crystal.

[3:00:56] Okay.

[3:01:00] You will have two minutes.

[3:01:01] >> Okay.

[3:01:01] Cool.

[3:01:01] Thank you.

[3:01:02] My name's Stephanie Benvenuto.

[3:01:05] I'm here on behalf of the San

[3:01:06] Diego Building Industry

[3:01:06] Association and I want to

[3:01:07] respectfully oppose this

[3:01:10] proposal.

[3:01:11] I'll start by recommitting to

[3:01:12] the goal that we share with you

[3:01:13] all which is adding more homes

[3:01:13] to our stock, thereby lowering

[3:01:16] the costs.

[3:01:17] We have significant concerns

[3:01:17] with this policy one because we

[3:01:18] believe it will be difficult to

[3:01:19] enact but secondarily because

[3:01:21] we think it jeopardizes

[3:01:22] investment that is necessary to

[3:01:23] build homes.

[3:01:23] We are very interested in

[3:01:28] the transparency item we do

[3:01:28] believe that that is a

[3:01:29] component that we can support

[3:01:30] and that is best practice.

[3:01:30] Many of our members already do

[3:01:31] that.

[3:01:34] Fundamentally the problem with

[3:01:34] the capital investment is that

[3:01:35] these homes don't get built by

[3:01:36] one wealthy individual.

[3:01:39] We have to go to a market that

[3:01:40] markets that the rate of return

[3:01:41] that rate of return is only met

[3:01:42] when people can recoup their

[3:01:45] cost of housing.

[3:01:45] This policy jeopardizes that

[3:01:46] with a more blanket approach.

[3:01:47] We think that there is far more

[3:01:51] room to continue to working

[3:01:51] with the authors office to

[3:01:52] identify something that's more

[3:01:53] functional, that avoids

[3:01:56] unintended consequences and

[3:01:57] that creates enough supply so

[3:01:58] that people have the options of

[3:01:58] where they live thereby

[3:02:02] limiting predatory behavior

[3:02:03] like what we're seeing and

[3:02:04] hearing so much of today.

[3:02:04] So again we ask for additional

[3:02:05] time to work with the author.

[3:02:08] We hope that our considerations

[3:02:09] are an unintended consequences

[3:02:09] are heard.

[3:02:10] We did submit a letter to you

[3:02:11] all highlighting some of those

[3:02:15] and we will be available for

[3:02:15] further discussion with you in

[3:02:16] your offices.

[3:02:16] Thank you.

[3:02:21] Thank you.

[3:02:26] Our next speaker is Susan Ellis

[3:02:26] .

[3:02:27] >> One minute please begin.

[3:02:27] Hi.

[3:02:28] Good afternoon, Council

[3:02:28] members.

[3:02:32] My name is Susan Ornelas and

[3:02:32] I'm a junior studying political

[3:02:33] science at Phenix State

[3:02:33] University.

[3:02:34] I grew up in an apartment with

[3:02:39] my siblings where my mom who

[3:02:39] was a single parent and

[3:02:40] the head of our household

[3:02:40] worked hard to keep a roof over

[3:02:41] our head.

[3:02:45] As a child I remember the worry

[3:02:45] on my mom's face every time our

[3:02:46] rent increased.

[3:02:49] So whether it was $50 or $100

[3:02:49] and at the time I didn't

[3:02:50] understand the numbers.

[3:02:51] I just knew our whole family

[3:02:54] carried that stress.

[3:02:55] Families deserve stability, not

[3:02:56] uncertainty requiring

[3:02:56] transparency and protecting

[3:03:01] renters from unnecessary

[3:03:01] charges help families plan

[3:03:02] budget and stay housed.

[3:03:03] Please support this ordinance

[3:03:06] and help make renting more fair

[3:03:07] and transparent.

[3:03:07] >> Thank you so much for your

[3:03:08] time.

[3:03:12] Thank you.

[3:03:13] Our next speaker is Sheila

[3:03:13] Barefoot and followed by

[3:03:19] Michelle of Finland, Joni

[3:03:19] Halpern, Caitlin McQuade and

[3:03:25] Annette Cabinet.

[3:03:26] >> Please come forward to

[3:03:27] the front row to be ready to

[3:03:27] speak.

[3:03:31] Sheila as she's coming up I

[3:03:32] can't figure out there's a lot

[3:03:32] of people probably in an hour

[3:03:35] in chambers for the very first

[3:03:36] time so we have a certain

[3:03:36] decorum rather than doing

[3:03:41] clapping.

[3:03:41] Whether you agree or disagree

[3:03:42] comes up if you agree with

[3:03:43] the speaker you want to

[3:03:47] indicate that to the council.

[3:03:48] Thumbs down if you disagree.

[3:03:48] And that allows us to keep

[3:03:49] the meeting going.

[3:03:53] So thank you very much for

[3:03:54] the courtesy.

[3:03:54] >> Good afternoon, Council

[3:03:55] members.

[3:03:59] My name is Sheila Barefoot.

[3:03:59] I'm a San Diego resident, a

[3:04:00] renter and a member of Human

[3:04:00] Right.

[3:04:05] I'm here today asking you to

[3:04:05] support the junk fee ordinance.

[3:04:06] As someone who experienced

[3:04:07] homelessness myself I can

[3:04:11] attest the difficulties of

[3:04:12] finding shelter.

[3:04:12] Not only is it the relentless

[3:04:17] rising costs of rent but

[3:04:17] the unpredictability factor of

[3:04:18] junk food that makes it a

[3:04:19] burden on San Diego Renters

[3:04:23] like myself.

[3:04:24] It was a hard climb back to

[3:04:24] being housed and the pressure

[3:04:25] of junk fees makes it

[3:04:30] unpredictable as I do have

[3:04:30] trash and sewer fees added to

[3:04:31] my rent.

[3:04:31] Many in our community who are

[3:04:35] seeking housing after

[3:04:36] homelessness not only find

[3:04:37] affordability a blockade but

[3:04:41] additional junk fees make it

[3:04:42] even more burdensome.

[3:04:43] Those who live on fixed or

[3:04:43] strict budgets need

[3:04:44] predictability.

[3:04:48] This ordinance will stop

[3:04:48] the exploitation and bring

[3:04:49] transparency.

[3:04:49] Again, I urge you to support

[3:04:53] the junk fee ordinance.

[3:04:54] Thank you for your time.

[3:04:54] Thank you.

[3:04:55] Our next speaker is Michelle

[3:05:00] Fenlon.

[3:05:01] Michelle, you have time to buy

[3:05:02] Juliet to Juliet Take advice.

[3:05:05] Okay, great.

[3:05:05] You'll have two minutes.

[3:05:06] Please begin.

[3:05:06] Good afternoon, council

[3:05:07] members.

[3:05:08] My name is Michelle Finland and

[3:05:12] I'm an advocate with the Heat

[3:05:12] network.

[3:05:13] I'm here to urge your full and

[3:05:14] urgent support of the junk fee

[3:05:14] ordinance.

[3:05:17] I became homeless in 2022 after

[3:05:18] fleeing a domestic violence

[3:05:19] situation and I remained that

[3:05:19] way for three years.

[3:05:23] I went from owning a thriving

[3:05:24] business and living in a

[3:05:25] beautiful apartment to working

[3:05:29] multiple service industry jobs

[3:05:30] while living out of my car.

[3:05:30] When you're homeless or

[3:05:35] exhausted, you're absolutely

[3:05:36] hungry and you're depressed and

[3:05:37] you're saving every last penny

[3:05:37] just to be able to rebuild your

[3:05:41] stability.

[3:05:42] Saving for a deposit became one

[3:05:42] of my last worries when I

[3:05:47] finally started applying for

[3:05:48] permits I hit a brick wall of

[3:05:49] predatory and hidden fees.

[3:05:53] I was really devastated to find

[3:05:54] out exactly how misleading

[3:05:54] advertisements were.

[3:05:59] Landlords are tacking on

[3:06:00] additional application fees.

[3:06:00] There's hidden administrative

[3:06:01] charges and every single time I

[3:06:05] thought I was going to get

[3:06:06] housed a rock would get pulled

[3:06:07] out from underneath me.

[3:06:07] When you are homeless or out of

[3:06:11] cash poor in general which a

[3:06:12] lot of us are now 50 to $100 in

[3:06:13] unexpected fees is not an

[3:06:13] inconvenience.

[3:06:21] It's a barrier to safety.

[3:06:22] >> This ordinance directly

[3:06:22] solves the exact barriers that

[3:06:23] I was facing when trying to

[3:06:23] find housing.

[3:06:27] This allows transparency and

[3:06:27] advertisements and allows for

[3:06:28] applicants to be used Their

[3:06:33] screening processes so that

[3:06:33] they don't have to keep paying.

[3:06:34] I never overcame these hurdles.

[3:06:35] I just find ways around them.

[3:06:39] I lived off grid in a tiny home

[3:06:39] and now I'm renting from a

[3:06:40] religious cult so not ideal.

[3:06:44] This ordinance provides

[3:06:45] predictability that people need

[3:06:45] to survive.

[3:06:51] I really hope that you take

[3:06:51] this into consideration and I

[3:06:52] really hope that you push this

[3:06:56] forward to help protect

[3:06:56] thousands of families and it'll

[3:06:57] help find housing or keep a

[3:06:58] place to call home.

[3:07:01] Thank you so much.

[3:07:02] >> Thank you.

[3:07:03] Our next speaker is Joni

[3:07:03] Halpern.

[3:07:08] Joni, you have time ceded to

[3:07:09] you by the following people If

[3:07:10] you could raise your hand when

[3:07:10] I call your name.

[3:07:11] Layla.

[3:07:15] Layla Thank you.

[3:07:15] And hinder to hero.

[3:07:21] Okay.

[3:07:21] And Patrice.

[3:07:21] Okay, great.

[3:07:22] Thank you.

[3:07:22] Go ahead.

[3:07:25] You will have four minutes.

[3:07:25] Good afternoon.

[3:07:26] My name is Joni Halper and I

[3:07:31] work as a lawyer at

[3:07:31] the Partnership for

[3:07:32] the Advancement of New

[3:07:32] Americans.

[3:07:33] We serve immigrants who are

[3:07:36] some of the hardest working

[3:07:37] people earning at the bottom of

[3:07:37] the wage scale.

[3:07:38] And their work is very

[3:07:38] important.

[3:07:42] They're the ones who care for

[3:07:42] the sick, the elderly,

[3:07:43] the kids.

[3:07:43] They clean hotels and

[3:07:44] hospitals, office buildings,

[3:07:48] houses.

[3:07:48] They take every job that

[3:07:49] requires strong hands and

[3:07:50] strong back and they don't

[3:07:54] complain.

[3:07:54] They're all struggling to keep

[3:07:55] a roof over their heads.

[3:07:56] But it's not just the high

[3:08:00] rents that are making it

[3:08:00] impossible.

[3:08:01] All over the city there are

[3:08:02] investors small and large who

[3:08:06] capture properties jack up

[3:08:07] rents and institute institute

[3:08:08] fees for everything from

[3:08:12] failure to clean a garbage can

[3:08:13] to fines for children playing

[3:08:14] in common areas of a complex.

[3:08:18] Some of these fees are in

[3:08:19] the lease buried in legalese in

[3:08:19] 30 pages in the back parts of

[3:08:20] the lease.

[3:08:24] And they're imposed.

[3:08:25] The problem is they're imposed

[3:08:25] without merit and tenants can't

[3:08:29] fight back because they fear

[3:08:29] retaliation.

[3:08:30] There are fees for trashcan

[3:08:30] breakage or replacement smoke

[3:08:36] alarm tampering, wrecking walk

[3:08:37] replacement repairs vacancy

[3:08:38] recovery lease buyout

[3:08:41] dishonored payments, late rent

[3:08:42] using a common area parking on

[3:08:43] the premises storage and more.

[3:08:47] If someone pays their rent on

[3:08:48] time but it's processed beyond

[3:08:49] the due date the tenant is

[3:08:49] charged a late fee.

[3:08:54] If a lock zinc toilet appliance

[3:08:54] that never worked right finally

[3:08:55] breaks the tenant is charged.

[3:09:00] And there are administrative

[3:09:00] fees that keep going up for

[3:09:01] racial utility billing when

[3:09:05] people move out or evicted

[3:09:06] because they can't afford

[3:09:07] the rent and the fees.

[3:09:07] Many property owners charge

[3:09:11] tenants for repairs and

[3:09:12] replacement costs so extensive

[3:09:12] they amount to nearly a

[3:09:17] renovation of the entire unit.

[3:09:17] An example is a family that

[3:09:18] came to me with a debt

[3:09:22] collection letter for charges

[3:09:23] imposed by the property owner.

[3:09:24] After they moved they moved

[3:09:24] into the unit with sluggish

[3:09:29] sink drains a stove in an oven

[3:09:30] that didn't work Cabinet doors

[3:09:34] falling off moldy bathroom

[3:09:35] floors and vertical blinds that

[3:09:35] you couldn't open because

[3:09:36] the panels fell out.

[3:09:40] But when they moved out they

[3:09:41] were charged for replacement of

[3:09:42] all flooring countertops,

[3:09:42] appliances, paint, window

[3:09:46] coverings totaling more than

[3:09:46] $20,000.

[3:09:47] This allowed the landlords to

[3:09:52] keep the security deposit and

[3:09:53] then build a tenant for extra

[3:09:53] repairs and replacement costs.

[3:09:54] And when the tenant couldn't

[3:09:58] pay the landlord sold the debt

[3:09:59] to the collection agency and

[3:10:00] this was reported on his

[3:10:00] credit.

[3:10:04] Something has to be done to

[3:10:05] stop these practices.

[3:10:06] My clients can't easily find

[3:10:10] another place to live.

[3:10:11] They end up subletting with

[3:10:12] whole families crammed into one

[3:10:16] room renting porches and sheds.

[3:10:17] They sleep in cars and some

[3:10:17] sleep on the floors of

[3:10:18] neighbors and friends and they

[3:10:23] have to move every two weeks.

[3:10:24] Try being old or sick or

[3:10:24] disabled and living like that

[3:10:28] or dragging your kids through

[3:10:28] this.

[3:10:29] The annual homeless street

[3:10:35] count does not even begin to

[3:10:35] show the scope of people who

[3:10:36] have no adequate housing due to

[3:10:40] fees that have shifted to

[3:10:41] the tenants.

[3:10:41] The investor's risk of loss and

[3:10:42] the burden of ensuring their

[3:10:42] profit.

[3:10:47] This ordinance is a good start

[3:10:48] at reining in these fees.

[3:10:52] >> Thank you.

[3:10:52] Thank you.

[3:10:53] Our next speaker is Caitlin

[3:10:57] McQuade.

[3:10:58] Good afternoon council members.

[3:11:04] My name is Caitlin McQuade.

[3:11:05] I'm a lifelong San Diego and

[3:11:06] I'm a renter and I'm a single

[3:11:06] mother.

[3:11:11] I know how quickly housing can

[3:11:11] become unstable.

[3:11:12] I've experienced homelessness

[3:11:12] and today the only reason my

[3:11:16] family is housed is because a

[3:11:17] relative brings us our home for

[3:11:18] an incredibly reduced rent.

[3:11:22] Even with that support we are

[3:11:23] still one unexpected expense

[3:11:28] away from losing everything.

[3:11:29] That's why junk fees matter

[3:11:29] when families are already

[3:11:30] choosing between groceries,

[3:11:34] child care and keeping

[3:11:35] the lights on a surprising

[3:11:35] house b can be the expense that

[3:11:36] pushes them over the edge.

[3:11:40] Renters deserve to know

[3:11:41] the true cost of housing before

[3:11:41] they sign a lease, not after

[3:11:46] price.

[3:11:47] Transparency and limits on

[3:11:47] unnecessary fees will help

[3:11:48] families budget stay housed and

[3:11:52] to avoid homelessness.

[3:11:52] I urge you to support this

[3:11:53] ordinance.

[3:11:53] Thank you.

[3:11:59] Thank you.

[3:12:00] Our next speaker is Annette

[3:12:00] Cardenas.

[3:12:01] Well approach the microphone

[3:12:01] could help.

[3:12:05] Del Mastro am I right?

[3:12:05] Exactly.

[3:12:10] Lucky Aiden and Leo Rossman

[3:12:11] please come forward to

[3:12:16] the front room and you'll have

[3:12:16] one minute.

[3:12:16] Please begin.

[3:12:17] Good afternoon, Council

[3:12:17] members.

[3:12:21] My name is Annette Cabinets and

[3:12:22] I'm here today with the Hill

[3:12:23] Network in support of the junk

[3:12:28] fee Ordinance Check Ordinance v

[3:12:29] excuse me San Diego is the most

[3:12:33] expensive city in the country

[3:12:33] for many renters When expected

[3:12:34] Bill can mean the difference

[3:12:39] between staying housed and

[3:12:40] facing homelessness.

[3:12:41] I do do do know this because I

[3:12:44] have been chronically homeless

[3:12:45] in San Diego for some time

[3:12:51] Recently my son just rented an

[3:12:55] apartment and he had to pay out

[3:12:55] about $160 just in screening

[3:13:00] fees and he just applied to one

[3:13:00] place before he had found

[3:13:01] something.

[3:13:04] But that's $160 That makes a

[3:13:05] lot of difference in someone

[3:13:11] who's on a restricted budget.

[3:13:16] And not only are we seeing

[3:13:17] the fees higher I'm sorry we

[3:13:18] are also notice.

[3:13:18] >> Thank you.

[3:13:23] Thank you.

[3:13:24] Our next speaker is our Dale

[3:13:30] Mastro And now you have time

[3:13:31] standing by Owen, Drew and

[3:13:31] Nikki.

[3:13:32] Okay, please.

[3:13:36] Beginning of two minutes.

[3:13:36] Hi.

[3:13:37] My name's Eldon Mastro.

[3:13:37] I'm a senior.

[3:13:40] I'm an ex blue collar worker.

[3:13:41] I'm a disabled veteran and yes,

[3:13:42] I'm a small mom and pop

[3:13:46] landlord.

[3:13:47] This is another bias law that's

[3:13:48] put in front of us the small

[3:13:52] mom and pop landlords.

[3:13:53] I mean you can hear how our

[3:13:53] policies are personal.

[3:13:58] We are with our tenants but

[3:13:59] this bias opinion is when

[3:13:59] you're driving it to be more

[3:14:03] and more like corporate

[3:14:04] landlords.

[3:14:04] These actions dragged corporate

[3:14:05] landlords so that we can't do

[3:14:09] this right now.

[3:14:15] Me and my wife are victim 2 to

[3:14:16] 1 of the professional tenants

[3:14:16] because we took an application

[3:14:17] that we believed to be true.

[3:14:21] So right now we are we have to

[3:14:22] turn this property over to a

[3:14:22] property manager who has

[3:14:26] attorneys that are doing this.

[3:14:27] They're trying to help us

[3:14:28] salvage what we have.

[3:14:33] We my wife we decided to buy a

[3:14:34] property 20 years ago and never

[3:14:34] buy a home.

[3:14:39] We bought a five plex that we

[3:14:39] lived in in Claremont And

[3:14:40] the deal is is that I do most

[3:14:44] of the work is a blue collar

[3:14:44] worker.

[3:14:45] I work weekends, holidays, all

[3:14:45] that.

[3:14:46] They have a retirement of some

[3:14:51] kind And for you guys to take

[3:14:51] that away from me if I didn't

[3:14:52] know that when I did this we

[3:14:53] did just put the money in

[3:14:56] the stock market Somebody other

[3:14:57] You guys are rental properties

[3:14:57] to the land.

[3:15:02] The mom and pops are not

[3:15:03] the bad ones in this.

[3:15:03] I don't want to charge

[3:15:04] the tenants water fees.

[3:15:05] I don't want to charge them pet

[3:15:09] fees.

[3:15:09] You just take it away from me.

[3:15:10] You say Hey you know you know

[3:15:11] what units that we have because

[3:15:14] we pay a rental fee then you

[3:15:15] just say that apartment there

[3:15:16] doesn't pay trash fees and we

[3:15:20] will charge the tenants.

[3:15:21] You take responsibility for

[3:15:22] these decisions.

[3:15:22] Same thing with the water.

[3:15:23] We don't need to charge

[3:15:27] the tenant water, make the city

[3:15:27] pay for their water.

[3:15:28] I don't have any problem with

[3:15:29] that I'm sure No Mom and Pop

[3:15:33] has any problem with that

[3:15:33] either.

[3:15:34] >> The thing is is that my

[3:15:34] insurance has been canceled

[3:15:40] four times in the last Thank

[3:15:40] you.

[3:15:41] That does conclude your time in

[3:15:41] there and it bites and then

[3:15:42] the lawsuit.

[3:15:42] >> Our next speaker is humira

[3:15:48] you Sophie One minute.

[3:15:49] Good afternoon my name is

[3:15:54] Humira Sophie with pana.

[3:15:55] We all know that low income

[3:15:56] families are struggling with

[3:15:56] rent here in San Diego.

[3:15:57] They're stretching their

[3:16:00] pockets to afford the basic

[3:16:01] necessity of shelter.

[3:16:01] Community members come to pana

[3:16:07] seeking assistance when they

[3:16:07] thought they were paying one

[3:16:08] thing for rent and all of a

[3:16:09] sudden there's all of these

[3:16:12] fees that they weren't aware of

[3:16:13] and now they can't afford to

[3:16:13] rent.

[3:16:14] They can't afford rent and are

[3:16:18] facing being evicted from their

[3:16:18] homes.

[3:16:19] My colleague Johnny Halpern

[3:16:19] talked about many of these

[3:16:20] cases.

[3:16:24] She's inundated with these

[3:16:25] types of cases that come to us

[3:16:26] every single day and the city

[3:16:30] must do more to protect tenants

[3:16:30] .

[3:16:31] This ordinance is necessary to

[3:16:32] protect low income workers and

[3:16:32] families.

[3:16:37] Housing should be clear fair,

[3:16:37] predictable, not filled with

[3:16:38] hidden costs and fine print.

[3:16:39] The proposed ordinance would

[3:16:44] cap extra rental fee that no

[3:16:45] more than 5% of monthly rent

[3:16:46] This is needed so that San

[3:16:49] Diego is going to have more

[3:16:50] transparency.

[3:16:50] Thank you.

[3:16:55] Ed?

[3:16:56] >> Good afternoon.

[3:16:56] My name is Lucky with Pana.

[3:17:01] I'm here in support of this

[3:17:02] ordinance because everyone

[3:17:03] deserves to know the true cost

[3:17:03] of housing before making one of

[3:17:08] the biggest financial decisions

[3:17:08] of their lives.

[3:17:09] Videos are really really

[3:17:09] expensive and for many renters

[3:17:10] a challenge isn't just

[3:17:14] the monthly rent it's

[3:17:15] the unexpected Fees appear

[3:17:15] through the application process

[3:17:16] or even after when they're

[3:17:20] signing the lease that is

[3:17:21] caused to make it harder for

[3:17:21] individuals and families to

[3:17:25] budget plan and secure stable

[3:17:26] housing.

[3:17:26] This mortgage is about fairness

[3:17:27] and transparency.

[3:17:30] It creates clear expectations

[3:17:31] so that renters can make

[3:17:32] informed decisions and help

[3:17:32] ensure that advertised cost of

[3:17:37] housing reflects what people

[3:17:37] are actually paying.

[3:17:38] A more transparent rental

[3:17:38] market benefit not only

[3:17:42] the renters but also those

[3:17:43] responsible landlords who are

[3:17:44] already operating fairly.

[3:17:44] Everyone deserves access to

[3:17:49] housing without worrying about

[3:17:50] hidden costs or unexpected

[3:17:50] financial burdens.

[3:17:51] So I respectfully ask you to

[3:17:56] support this ordinance.

[3:17:56] Thank you.

[3:17:57] Thank you.

[3:17:58] So Leo, this man Leo comes to

[3:18:02] the microphone.

[3:18:03] >> Can I please have a good

[3:18:03] afternoon?

[3:18:04] Welcome to the.

[3:18:07] I'm here today in support of

[3:18:08] this ordinance because every

[3:18:12] San Diego I'm sorry, sir.

[3:18:13] You do have time ceded to you

[3:18:14] by another individual.

[3:18:15] I need to confirm they're here.

[3:18:19] Jabbar Kasim, could you please

[3:18:20] raise your hand?

[3:18:20] Okay, great.

[3:18:26] You'll have two minutes.

[3:18:26] Please begin.

[3:18:27] Hey, my name is Sali Osman.

[3:18:27] I'm here.

[3:18:30] I work until tonight.

[3:18:31] I live in San Diego for

[3:18:37] the last 18 years Ben Knight

[3:18:37] The Arab League.

[3:18:38] The cost of living plus

[3:18:38] inflation.

[3:18:41] Life is sort of it.

[3:18:42] So I'm here today in support of

[3:18:43] this ordinance because every

[3:18:47] Sunday against this sort of

[3:18:48] access to housing that is fair,

[3:18:48] transparent, affordable

[3:18:53] families should not have to

[3:18:53] worry about a surprise charge

[3:18:58] hidden fees or unclean rental

[3:18:59] costs when they are simply

[3:18:59] trying to find a stable place

[3:19:03] to live.

[3:19:04] San Diego must take a clear

[3:19:09] stand for renters by making

[3:19:10] sure housing costs are honest,

[3:19:15] predictable and not inflated by

[3:19:16] unfair junk fees.

[3:19:19] San Diego is already one of

[3:19:20] the most expensive place to

[3:19:21] live in this country.

[3:19:25] Many renters have been charged

[3:19:26] extra fees on top of high

[3:19:26] rents.

[3:19:31] >> These fee cut include

[3:19:32] processing fee convenience

[3:19:36] fees, late fees, duplicate

[3:19:36] application fees and surprise

[3:19:42] charges after a lease is signed

[3:19:42] .

[3:19:43] Some renters listed listing

[3:19:47] will not clearly show the full

[3:19:48] cost of housing upfront.

[3:19:49] Hidden fees can add hundreds of

[3:19:53] dollars each month for working

[3:19:54] families.

[3:19:58] Renters deserve to know

[3:19:59] the true cost of a home before

[3:20:04] apply or sign a lease.

[3:20:05] >> Housing should be clear,

[3:20:06] fair and into predictable not

[3:20:10] feeling with hidden costs in

[3:20:10] the fine.

[3:20:15] The proposed ordinance would

[3:20:16] cap extra rent fee at no more

[3:20:16] than 5%.

[3:20:20] Similarly rents.

[3:20:21] >> I actually support this

[3:20:21] ordinance.

[3:20:22] Thank you very much.

[3:20:26] Thank you.

[3:20:27] Our next speaker is Remo Abdi.

[3:20:27] Well Remo walks in

[3:20:31] the microphone and I also ask

[3:20:32] Angel Pippins Lopez, Victoria

[3:20:37] Rizzo, Maria Cortez, Alberto

[3:20:39] Rivera and Briana Young to

[3:20:40] please come forward to

[3:20:45] the front row.

[3:20:46] I know you have one person

[3:20:47] sitting at your time Aria

[3:20:47] Patel.

[3:20:48] Could you please raise your

[3:20:49] hand?

[3:20:49] >> Okay, great.

[3:20:53] You'll have two minutes.

[3:20:54] Thank you.

[3:20:54] Good afternoon.

[3:20:55] Good afternoon, Council

[3:20:55] members.

[3:21:00] My name is Rama Abdi and

[3:21:01] the director of Organizing and

[3:21:01] campaign with Pana and also a

[3:21:04] resident of District nine And

[3:21:05] I'm here to support this

[3:21:05] ordinance.

[3:21:06] I want to speak from my own

[3:21:10] experience So when I was

[3:21:11] looking for a place to rent I

[3:21:15] paid hundreds of of dollars and

[3:21:16] application fee.

[3:21:17] I applied to many apartments

[3:21:20] but did not get approved.

[3:21:21] I lost all that money.

[3:21:24] It was very hard for me because

[3:21:25] I was only trying to get to

[3:21:26] find a safe place for my

[3:21:26] family.

[3:21:30] I also work with immigrant and

[3:21:30] refugee communities.

[3:21:31] I see how hard it is for them.

[3:21:35] They came here hoping for a

[3:21:36] better life but they face high

[3:21:40] rent and many fees just to

[3:21:41] apply.

[3:21:42] For many families this is too

[3:21:45] much.

[3:21:46] Home should not be this hard to

[3:21:46] get it.

[3:21:47] It should bring safety and

[3:21:50] hopes for them.

[3:21:50] Please make this renting more

[3:21:55] fair and protect families from

[3:21:55] these unsafe fees.

[3:21:56] Thank you for your time and

[3:22:00] support this ordinance.

[3:22:00] >> Thank you.

[3:22:01] Next speakers.

[3:22:05] Angel Pippins Lopez.

[3:22:05] >> Hi everyone.

[3:22:09] My name is Angel Pippins Lopez

[3:22:10] and I'm the transportation and

[3:22:11] planning program manager with

[3:22:11] the cdc.

[3:22:15] I'm also a renter and a long

[3:22:16] time resident of the city of

[3:22:17] San Diego And in the process of

[3:22:20] securing my lease I paid over

[3:22:21] $500 in screening fees that I

[3:22:25] did not get back as many of

[3:22:26] the people here have

[3:22:26] experienced.

[3:22:27] At the same time I received

[3:22:30] monthly bills for ranging

[3:22:31] between 50 and $250 for various

[3:22:35] jump fees that I rarely see

[3:22:35] the benefit of.

[3:22:36] It is very serious when San

[3:22:40] Diegans come to you and say

[3:22:40] this is a real problem that

[3:22:41] renters are facing every day

[3:22:45] displacement becomes a more

[3:22:46] serious issue for the city of

[3:22:46] San Diego and it's essential

[3:22:47] that we do what we can to avoid

[3:22:50] displace rent and educate

[3:22:51] renters on how they can ensure

[3:22:54] that they are being protected.

[3:22:55] Often the most disadvantaged

[3:22:56] and disinvested communities are

[3:23:00] the ones who receive the least

[3:23:01] information about how these

[3:23:01] programs are supposed to be

[3:23:02] enforced.

[3:23:04] And I ask that you not only

[3:23:05] approve this ordinance but also

[3:23:06] educate the community.

[3:23:06] >> Thank you.

[3:23:10] Thank you.

[3:23:10] Our next speaker is Victoria

[3:23:11] Ella Brazeau.

[3:23:16] Victoria, you have time ceded

[3:23:17] to you by Nicholas Lubbers.

[3:23:17] Okay.

[3:23:17] Do you raise your hand?

[3:23:20] Thank you Nicholas and Angela.

[3:23:20] Mel.

[3:23:20] All right, Angela.

[3:23:21] Okay.

[3:23:21] There she is.

[3:23:24] Go ahead.

[3:23:25] >> You'll have three minutes.

[3:23:25] Okay.

[3:23:25] Thank you.

[3:23:26] Good afternoon.

[3:23:29] PRESIDENT LaCava and council

[3:23:29] members.

[3:23:30] Today I'm coming to you as an

[3:23:33] ordinary citizen of San Diego

[3:23:34] and an everyday citizen.

[3:23:34] My name's Victoria La Brousseau

[3:23:39] for nearly 30 years I've been a

[3:23:39] housing provider off and on

[3:23:40] here in San Diego.

[3:23:43] >> My husband served in

[3:23:44] the military and every time his

[3:23:47] orders took us away we rented

[3:23:48] out our family home so that one

[3:23:49] day we could return to the city

[3:23:49] we love.

[3:23:53] One thing that stood out to me

[3:23:53] when I read through the staff

[3:23:54] report in one of the nation's

[3:23:57] largest military communities

[3:23:58] there is no discussion of

[3:23:59] the military families who

[3:24:02] temporarily rent out their

[3:24:03] homes while serving elsewhere.

[3:24:03] Did anyone study how many

[3:24:07] military families this

[3:24:08] ordinance could affect?

[3:24:08] One statement by this in

[3:24:12] the staff report particularly

[3:24:12] concern me.

[3:24:13] It says landlord fees quote

[3:24:16] should not be another avenue

[3:24:17] for landlords to extract

[3:24:18] excessive profits from renters.

[3:24:21] I believe that's a shortsighted

[3:24:21] characterization.

[3:24:22] For my family this wasn't an

[3:24:26] investment property.

[3:24:27] This was our home.

[3:24:28] The rent barely covered our

[3:24:31] mortgage Property taxes,

[3:24:31] insurance repairs and other

[3:24:32] expenses.

[3:24:36] We weren't extracting profits.

[3:24:37] We were trying to break even

[3:24:38] while preserving our home that

[3:24:41] we hoped to return to.

[3:24:42] Over the years we had multiple

[3:24:42] tenants.

[3:24:43] Some were wonderful.

[3:24:45] Others called significant

[3:24:46] financial losses that came

[3:24:47] right out of our pocket.

[3:24:50] I ask you to consider

[3:24:51] the cumulative impacts of

[3:24:52] the policies like this.

[3:24:55] >> I understand the desire to

[3:24:55] help renters.

[3:24:59] In fact my 22 year old son is

[3:25:00] here with me and he's looking

[3:25:01] in the market right now as we

[3:25:04] speak.

[3:25:04] >> He wants to build his future

[3:25:05] in San Diego and he'll soon be

[3:25:09] looking for the housing himself

[3:25:09] .

[3:25:10] I want affordable housing and

[3:25:10] protection for him just as much

[3:25:13] as you do.

[3:25:14] But I don't believe this

[3:25:15] ordinance is representative of

[3:25:18] the people it regulates.

[3:25:19] It assumes one type of housing

[3:25:20] provider when San Diego is home

[3:25:23] to military families, retirees,

[3:25:24] families renting out a single

[3:25:28] home and many others whose

[3:25:29] experiences are very different.

[3:25:30] Before adopting another

[3:25:34] regulation that affects every

[3:25:35] housing provider in this city,

[3:25:35] I ask that you first ensure

[3:25:38] that you consider all of them.

[3:25:38] For those reasons I

[3:25:39] respectfully ask you to oppose

[3:25:39] this item.

[3:25:43] Thank you very much for your

[3:25:44] time.

[3:25:44] >> Thank you.

[3:25:53] Next speaker is Maria Cortez.

[3:25:53] >> Hello.

[3:25:54] My name is Maria Cortez.

[3:25:58] I'm a resident of City Heights

[3:25:59] for 5454 years.

[3:26:02] I'm also with the City Heights

[3:26:03] City with transportation and

[3:26:03] planning.

[3:26:04] I am here in support of this

[3:26:08] ordinance because I have I'm

[3:26:09] out there in the community.

[3:26:12] I see what's going on in

[3:26:12] the community.

[3:26:13] My community we have so many

[3:26:17] people that are having problems

[3:26:18] with with the hidden fees.

[3:26:22] >> They are as we say they are

[3:26:23] living.

[3:26:23] We're living with them ten to

[3:26:27] maybe 15 people in one one

[3:26:28] apartment in just one unit.

[3:26:31] And to see the kids go through

[3:26:32] the things that they have to go

[3:26:36] through I understand what some

[3:26:37] of tenants and the owners here

[3:26:37] are saying.

[3:26:41] I understand that.

[3:26:42] But for the other ones this is

[3:26:42] something else.

[3:26:45] I also have a friend right now

[3:26:46] who is going through a

[3:26:47] situation where hidden fees

[3:26:51] were were proposed to her.

[3:26:55] And I am trying to help her but

[3:26:56] she has to be out of the house

[3:26:56] by tomorrow.

[3:26:57] >> So I want to say thank you.

[3:26:58] That does conclude your time.

[3:27:08] >> Gilberto Olvera.

[3:27:08] >> Good afternoon, Council

[3:27:09] members.

[3:27:09] My name is Gil Vieira.

[3:27:13] I'm the director of the Housing

[3:27:14] Justice Collaborative and Legal

[3:27:14] Aid Society San Diego Legal

[3:27:15] Aid.

[3:27:15] Our mission is to prevent

[3:27:18] homelessness with holistic

[3:27:18] wraparound services and

[3:27:19] enforcing laws to protect our

[3:27:20] most vulnerable from

[3:27:23] exploitation.

[3:27:24] We are seeing landlords charge

[3:27:24] fees to cover things Landlords

[3:27:25] are legally responsible for

[3:27:28] such as monthly pest control

[3:27:29] fees, fees to stay month to

[3:27:29] month maintenance fees and

[3:27:32] the many other tenants pay for

[3:27:33] monthly insurance premium that

[3:27:34] protects the landlords property

[3:27:35] and limit their own liability.

[3:27:38] This is exploitation.

[3:27:39] We see firsthand how hidden

[3:27:39] fees push families to the brink

[3:27:42] and are designed to leech off

[3:27:42] tenants.

[3:27:43] The rent ledgers we see today

[3:27:45] have more than five monthly

[3:27:46] charges a month that result in

[3:27:47] long complex ledgers that

[3:27:51] confuse tenants who shouldn't

[3:27:52] need an mba or accounting

[3:27:52] degree to decipher your own

[3:27:56] ledger by closing loopholes In

[3:27:56] the many transparencies we're

[3:27:57] helping to build a more fair

[3:28:00] and stable housing market for

[3:28:01] everyone in San Diego.

[3:28:01] Something that I would think

[3:28:02] ethical housing providers would

[3:28:05] be supportive of.

[3:28:06] Thank you for your time.

[3:28:06] Thank you.

[3:28:10] Next speaker is Brianna Young

[3:28:11] or Brianna comes to

[3:28:11] the microphone.

[3:28:12] I would ask Alex Vazquez

[3:28:15] Melanie Woods, David Baker,

[3:28:20] Claire Snider and Carmen Panelo

[3:28:21] Loza Valdez to please come

[3:28:25] forward to the front row.

[3:28:26] >> So Brianna, please begin.

[3:28:26] Have one minute.

[3:28:29] Good afternoon, members of

[3:28:30] the council.

[3:28:31] >> My name is Brianna Young and

[3:28:31] while I'm currently an intern

[3:28:34] at the San Diego and Imperial

[3:28:34] County Labor Council, I am here

[3:28:35] today representing myself.

[3:28:36] I doubt you need to hear more

[3:28:39] about the affordability issues

[3:28:39] here in San Diego, but that is

[3:28:40] one of the reasons you sit here

[3:28:41] on this council.

[3:28:44] I am a recent graduate from uc

[3:28:45] San Diego and I learned the lay

[3:28:45] of the land in La Hoya so it

[3:28:48] didn't take me long to realize

[3:28:49] I was out of my tax bracket.

[3:28:50] My roommates and I were all

[3:28:53] full working students.

[3:28:54] Full time working students have

[3:28:54] been looking to relocate.

[3:28:57] No fancy coastal places just

[3:28:58] somewhere simple to start our

[3:28:59] lives and careers and finish

[3:28:59] our degrees.

[3:29:00] >> But it hasn't been that

[3:29:00] simple.

[3:29:03] Even finding a home in our

[3:29:04] price range we're still hit

[3:29:04] with these junk fees that are

[3:29:07] on the agenda today in

[3:29:08] the month of JUNE alone we

[3:29:08] spent roughly $250 on

[3:29:12] application fees and

[3:29:12] screenings, background

[3:29:13] screenings.

[3:29:13] We were still rejected from

[3:29:14] every place.

[3:29:17] This isn't getting into

[3:29:18] the fact that we're struggling

[3:29:18] to find a place that's livable,

[3:29:19] safe and accessible.

[3:29:21] There are already hidden fees

[3:29:22] everywhere.

[3:29:22] They're hidden in our grocery

[3:29:23] stores going to the gas pump,

[3:29:26] getting insured and now just

[3:29:27] trying to find a place to live.

[3:29:28] I can't afford it.

[3:29:28] We can't afford it.

[3:29:29] So I support this ordinance and

[3:29:31] I hope you will too.

[3:29:32] >> Thank you.

[3:29:35] Alex Vasquez.

[3:29:41] >> Hi.

[3:29:42] >> My name is Alex Vasquez.

[3:29:42] I'm an organizer with

[3:29:43] Partnership for a Better San

[3:29:43] Diego, the affiliate

[3:29:45] organization of San Diego and

[3:29:46] Imperial County Labor Council

[3:29:49] that represents over 100 unions

[3:29:50] and more than 200,000 workers.

[3:29:51] I am here to support the junk

[3:29:54] food ordinance that was

[3:29:55] proposed by Councilmember Shani

[3:29:56] Le Rivera because looking for

[3:29:57] housing should come with

[3:29:59] transparency.

[3:30:00] I have personally struggled to

[3:30:01] find housing in San Diego.

[3:30:02] As someone who has been through

[3:30:04] that with roommates meaning

[3:30:05] several incomes it was still

[3:30:09] expensive and ridiculous to be

[3:30:09] paying 30 to $60 per

[3:30:10] application.

[3:30:10] What is worse is that wasn't

[3:30:14] even guaranteed to get housing

[3:30:15] and the competition is insane.

[3:30:19] You go to an open house and you

[3:30:19] feel like a sardine because

[3:30:20] there are so many other people

[3:30:21] who are looking for and paid

[3:30:24] and application fee just to see

[3:30:24] this apartment or house.

[3:30:25] Too many San Diego residents

[3:30:28] are paying unexpected fees and

[3:30:29] other costs that are already

[3:30:29] expensive housing.

[3:30:33] It makes it even harder.

[3:30:34] I appreciate the city taking a

[3:30:34] closer look at this issue and I

[3:30:38] encourage you to continue

[3:30:38] advancing policies that

[3:30:39] increase transparency.

[3:30:39] >> Thank you.

[3:30:40] Thank you.

[3:30:45] >> Melanie Woods Melanie, you

[3:30:46] have several people sitting

[3:30:50] your time so if you could just

[3:30:51] raise your hand when I read

[3:30:53] your name verifier here.

[3:30:59] New Muncie.

[3:31:03] Denise Dennis.

[3:31:04] Venetia Hamilton.

[3:31:04] Okay.

[3:31:08] Adrianne Medina.

[3:31:08] Okay.

[3:31:13] Angela MAY.

[3:31:14] Heather King.

[3:31:17] Stephanie Grimm.

[3:31:23] Shawn Ford.

[3:31:23] Thank you.

[3:31:27] Thank you.

[3:31:28] Thursday Flores.

[3:31:28] Matthew Gonzalez.

[3:31:31] Heather Shepherd.

[3:31:33] Tracy Brunetti.

[3:31:38] Kayla Castaneda.

[3:31:43] Kelly McKenna.

[3:31:43] Okay, great.

[3:31:46] Melanie, you'll have 15

[3:31:47] minutes.

[3:31:47] >> Please begin.

[3:31:47] Excellent.

[3:31:48] Sorry I wasn't planning a

[3:31:51] filibuster.

[3:31:52] All right.

[3:31:52] Good afternoon, Chair.

[3:31:53] Members of the council.

[3:31:56] I'm Melanie Bird and I serve as

[3:31:57] the vice PRESIDENT For of local

[3:31:57] public affairs for

[3:31:58] the California Apartment

[3:32:00] Association.

[3:32:01] I'm also ad5 resident.

[3:32:02] Caa is the largest statewide

[3:32:05] trade association representing

[3:32:05] owners, operators and managers

[3:32:10] of multifamily housing.

[3:32:10] Our membership ranges from

[3:32:15] large multifamily operators to

[3:32:15] small mom and pop housing

[3:32:16] providers who own 1 or 2 rental

[3:32:19] properties.

[3:32:20] Education and compliance are at

[3:32:24] the heart of our mission at caa

[3:32:24] .

[3:32:25] I'm here representing ethical

[3:32:25] housing providers many of whom

[3:32:29] you see behind me but many,

[3:32:30] many more who couldn't be here

[3:32:30] today.

[3:32:34] We're strongly opposed to

[3:32:35] the ordinance before you today.

[3:32:36] It regulates legitimate revenue

[3:32:39] streams that are fundamental to

[3:32:40] the economics of rental housing

[3:32:44] and in so doing so risks

[3:32:45] undermining the city's own

[3:32:49] housing production goals.

[3:32:49] Further, there's no evidence

[3:32:53] that the proposed policy

[3:32:54] solutions will achieve any

[3:32:55] specific goals or solve any

[3:32:59] identify wide or quantified

[3:33:00] problems.

[3:33:04] One of our biggest concerns on

[3:33:05] this proposal is a cap on

[3:33:05] the cap on fees.

[3:33:06] These aren't hidden fees.

[3:33:09] They're a commonly used revenue

[3:33:10] stream baked into the financing

[3:33:13] and revenue assumptions of

[3:33:14] housing projects.

[3:33:14] These fees are driven by

[3:33:18] the cost of labor insurance,

[3:33:18] maintenance contracts,

[3:33:23] utilities and vendor expenses.

[3:33:24] The 5% cap is arbitrary and

[3:33:25] it's too low to account for

[3:33:28] the market rate of providing

[3:33:29] these amenities and too low for

[3:33:29] housing providers to cover

[3:33:33] their own costs.

[3:33:34] Capping the amount that MAY be

[3:33:38] charged for these services will

[3:33:38] either require housing

[3:33:39] providers to shift those costs

[3:33:42] into base rent or reduce

[3:33:43] the availability of optional

[3:33:47] services altogether.

[3:33:48] As currently drafted, this

[3:33:52] ordinance also includes

[3:33:52] operational services optional

[3:33:56] services under the 5% cap.

[3:33:56] Think reserved Parking storage

[3:34:01] units technology packages and

[3:34:01] pediment entries.

[3:34:05] These are all optional expenses

[3:34:06] that residents voluntarily

[3:34:07] choose based on their own

[3:34:07] needs.

[3:34:10] But these services have real

[3:34:11] operating costs.

[3:34:15] Pet friendly housing have has

[3:34:15] to provide pet relief areas,

[3:34:20] trash bags and pay staff to

[3:34:21] clean up when less diligent pet

[3:34:21] pet owners do not.

[3:34:25] If these costs cannot be

[3:34:25] recuperated through a pet fee,

[3:34:29] housing providers MAY choose to

[3:34:30] stop allowing pets altogether

[3:34:30] or if they still allow pets.

[3:34:34] These costs will be wrapped

[3:34:35] into base rents and shoulder by

[3:34:36] tenants regardless of whether

[3:34:39] they own a pet.

[3:34:39] Additionally, this arbitrary

[3:34:40] cap has no relationship to

[3:34:44] actual costs.

[3:34:47] Picture a scenario one person

[3:34:48] paying $3,000 in rent and

[3:34:52] another paying 2500 their or

[3:34:57] they are each paying a cap to

[3:34:57] 5% in fees.

[3:35:00] Should the resident paying 2500

[3:35:01] pay less in those fees despite

[3:35:05] receiving the same services?

[3:35:06] Ironically this creates a

[3:35:06] situation where allowable fee

[3:35:10] increases increase as rent

[3:35:11] increase.

[3:35:11] Even though the cost of

[3:35:15] providing these services

[3:35:16] remains the same, none of those

[3:35:20] outcomes improve affordability

[3:35:20] .

[3:35:21] We're also deeply concerned

[3:35:22] about the reusable screening

[3:35:25] report requirement.

[3:35:26] Reducing application costs is a

[3:35:30] worthwhile goal but we have to

[3:35:31] balance affordability with

[3:35:31] accuracy and risk.

[3:35:35] Housing providers rely on

[3:35:36] trusted third party screening

[3:35:40] systems that integrate directly

[3:35:40] into their leasing platforms

[3:35:41] and apply consistent screening

[3:35:45] standards to every applicant.

[3:35:45] This proposal requires housing

[3:35:50] providers accept reusable

[3:35:50] screening reports, creating

[3:35:55] uncertainty about how those

[3:35:56] reports will be verified and

[3:36:00] how they will fit into existing

[3:36:00] leasing systems.

[3:36:01] These concerns aren't

[3:36:01] theoretical.

[3:36:05] A recent Wall Street Journal

[3:36:06] investigation documented a

[3:36:09] dramatic increase in rental

[3:36:10] application fraud including

[3:36:14] falsifying pay stubs, fake

[3:36:15] employment records, manipulated

[3:36:16] credit profiles and ai

[3:36:19] generated financial documents

[3:36:20] being sold online.

[3:36:20] The ordinance allows housing

[3:36:25] providers to obtain new reports

[3:36:29] at their own expense but this

[3:36:29] language creates uncertainty

[3:36:30] regarding what constitutes an

[3:36:34] acceptable report.

[3:36:34] What verification obligations

[3:36:38] does the landlord assume and

[3:36:39] how landlords should reconcile

[3:36:40] the applicant provided report

[3:36:44] with their own screening

[3:36:44] standards?

[3:36:45] These inconsistencies between

[3:36:49] the tenant provider report and

[3:36:50] the third party report could

[3:36:54] result in more applications

[3:36:55] actually being rejected.

[3:36:59] Let's say for a second maybe

[3:36:59] you truly believe that housing

[3:37:00] providers should shoulder that

[3:37:03] screening cost.

[3:37:04] The reality is that those costs

[3:37:05] don't go away.

[3:37:09] They get redistributed out.

[3:37:09] Housing providers shouldering

[3:37:10] that burden are more likely to

[3:37:14] adopt higher screening

[3:37:14] criteria, close listings

[3:37:15] quickly and close opportunities

[3:37:18] for tenants wanting to be

[3:37:19] rescreened.

[3:37:20] These outcomes do not increase

[3:37:23] housing opportunity and

[3:37:24] affordability.

[3:37:24] In fact they MAY harm it.

[3:37:28] Moving on to late rent

[3:37:28] the ordinance also

[3:37:29] fundamentally changes how late

[3:37:33] payments are handled.

[3:37:34] A mandatory seven day grace

[3:37:38] period doesn't simply delay a

[3:37:38] late fee.

[3:37:39] It effectively changes

[3:37:40] the practical due date of rent

[3:37:43] for every residential lease in

[3:37:44] the city of San Diego.

[3:37:47] Yet we've seen no evidence

[3:37:48] demonstrating that a mandatory

[3:37:49] seven day grace period reduces

[3:37:53] eviction laws or improves

[3:37:53] housing stability.

[3:37:54] If the city's goal is to help

[3:37:57] households experiencing genuine

[3:37:58] hardship, then targeted

[3:37:58] assistance and early

[3:38:02] intervention are more effective

[3:38:02] than rewriting the payment

[3:38:06] expectations for every lease.

[3:38:07] Similarly, California law

[3:38:12] already regulates late fees.

[3:38:12] These must represent a

[3:38:16] reasonable estimate of actual

[3:38:17] damages.

[3:38:18] Replacing that long established

[3:38:21] legal standard with an

[3:38:21] arbitrary 2% cap ignores

[3:38:22] the real administrative costs

[3:38:26] and cashflow disruption

[3:38:27] disruptions associated with

[3:38:31] delinquent payments.

[3:38:31] >> Finally, transparency We

[3:38:32] fundamentally agree with

[3:38:36] the idea of transparency.

[3:38:36] Tenants should know and

[3:38:37] understand the full cost of

[3:38:41] their housing before signing a

[3:38:41] lease.

[3:38:42] Tenants being in homes that

[3:38:46] they can afford benefits both

[3:38:47] the tenant and the housing

[3:38:47] provider.

[3:38:50] Our issue is with

[3:38:51] the restrictive advertising

[3:38:51] requirements.

[3:38:52] These requirements could extend

[3:38:56] to internet listing services

[3:38:56] social media posts, printed

[3:38:57] advertisements, broker

[3:39:01] materials and third party

[3:39:01] marketing platforms that often

[3:39:05] lack the technical capacity to

[3:39:06] display the required

[3:39:06] information.

[3:39:10] For an admittedly extreme

[3:39:11] example, does a garbage

[3:39:15] disposal replacement fee need

[3:39:16] to be outlined in your social

[3:39:17] media post about your home for

[3:39:20] rent?

[3:39:21] >> I'd like to encourage

[3:39:21] the Council to think about

[3:39:22] the cumulative impact of these

[3:39:25] policies.

[3:39:26] No single regulation creates a

[3:39:27] housing crisis but every new

[3:39:30] mandate, every new disclosure

[3:39:31] requirement and every new

[3:39:35] compliance obligation adds

[3:39:36] friction to an already heavily

[3:39:36] regulated market.

[3:39:40] Viewed collectively this they

[3:39:41] significantly increase

[3:39:41] regulatory complexity

[3:39:45] compliance costs and

[3:39:46] operational uncertainty.

[3:39:50] Those burdens fall especially

[3:39:51] hard on small housing providers

[3:39:51] who don't have the in-house

[3:39:54] attorney or compliance

[3:39:55] departments.

[3:39:55] Many simply decide that

[3:39:56] continuing to provide rental

[3:40:00] housing is no longer worth

[3:40:01] the growing legal and financial

[3:40:05] risk and this conversation

[3:40:05] comes at a particularly

[3:40:06] important moment.

[3:40:10] Economic data already shows a

[3:40:11] significant slowdown in

[3:40:12] multifamily housing production

[3:40:16] beginning around 2028 and now

[3:40:20] the end of today's development

[3:40:20] pipeline is completed and fewer

[3:40:21] financially viable projects

[3:40:25] move forward.

[3:40:25] This should concern everyone

[3:40:29] who believes we need more

[3:40:30] housing.

[3:40:30] Housing projects aren't

[3:40:31] financed on base rent alone

[3:40:35] They're financed based on

[3:40:36] expected operating income And

[3:40:39] those all those revenue sources

[3:40:40] are included in the financial

[3:40:41] models that lenders and

[3:40:44] investors use to determine

[3:40:45] whether today's projects

[3:40:46] qualify for financing.

[3:40:49] Against that backdrop, reducing

[3:40:50] revenue certainty while

[3:40:54] increasing regulatory complexes

[3:40:55] sends the wrong signal at

[3:40:55] exactly the wrong time.

[3:41:00] If we want more housing in 2030

[3:41:01] we have to care about project

[3:41:01] feasibility.

[3:41:04] In 2026 a project that can't be

[3:41:09] financed is no different than a

[3:41:10] project that's never been

[3:41:10] approved.

[3:41:14] Both result in fewer homes.

[3:41:14] So I ask you to think about

[3:41:15] does this ordinance actually

[3:41:19] achieve the affordability that

[3:41:19] we are all working toward?

[3:41:24] And I'll close with this.

[3:41:24] I know everyone here shares

[3:41:25] the same goal.

[3:41:29] We want more housing, greater

[3:41:29] affordability and more

[3:41:30] opportunity for San Diegans.

[3:41:33] Housing providers are not

[3:41:34] obstacles to solving San

[3:41:34] Diego's housing crisis.

[3:41:38] We are indispensable partners

[3:41:39] in the building preserving and

[3:41:43] operating of the homes that our

[3:41:43] communities rely on every day.

[3:41:47] The California Apartment

[3:41:48] Association respectfully urges

[3:41:49] you to reject this ordinance

[3:41:53] and instead pursue policies

[3:41:53] that increase transparency

[3:41:57] without reducing housing

[3:41:57] opportunity.

[3:41:58] Thank you.

[3:42:04] Our next speaker is David Baker

[3:42:05] .

[3:42:10] Hello, Council.

[3:42:10] >> My name is David Baker.

[3:42:11] I work with an organization

[3:42:14] that helps young people exit

[3:42:15] homelessness and secure stable

[3:42:15] housing.

[3:42:20] I'm here to support

[3:42:24] the ordinance not only for

[3:42:24] the transparency that it

[3:42:25] encourages but also we have a

[3:42:29] very valuable tool that we use

[3:42:30] when helping people secure

[3:42:30] housing And these are vouchers.

[3:42:34] When we go to make a deal a

[3:42:35] young person can do everything

[3:42:35] correct.

[3:42:39] They can pass the application,

[3:42:39] they can have their deposit

[3:42:43] ready, all the things.

[3:42:44] However, if the rent is even $1

[3:42:48] over what we anticipate,

[3:42:49] the entire deal is off

[3:42:49] the table.

[3:42:53] And so often we see that young

[3:42:54] people are almost across

[3:42:54] the finish line ready to sign

[3:42:55] the lease.

[3:42:58] And then we see $1 that takes

[3:43:03] us back to instable city and

[3:43:03] experiencing homelessness.

[3:43:04] So I'm here to ask for your

[3:43:07] support and I think this

[3:43:08] ordinance is certainly worth

[3:43:08] more in conversation.

[3:43:09] Thank you.

[3:43:12] Claire Snyder.

[3:43:18] >> Good afternoon.

[3:43:18] My name is Claire Snyder and

[3:43:19] I'm a renter in District three.

[3:43:22] Hidden rental fees make housing

[3:43:23] more expensive and less

[3:43:23] predictable for renters like

[3:43:24] myself.

[3:43:27] I recently moved eight days ago

[3:43:28] because I had an ongoing mice

[3:43:32] infestation that my previous

[3:43:32] landlord refused to do anything

[3:43:33] about honestly.

[3:43:37] And during my search for

[3:43:37] housing I encountered

[3:43:38] application fees, screening

[3:43:41] fees and more.

[3:43:42] I applied for multiple

[3:43:42] different apartments which

[3:43:46] required me to pay over $300

[3:43:46] application fees And also in my

[3:43:47] search I encountered pet

[3:43:51] screening fees which was an

[3:43:52] additional fee I had to pay to

[3:43:55] screen my dog.

[3:43:56] And many of these property

[3:43:57] owners or managers wouldn't

[3:44:00] tell me what the restrictions

[3:44:01] were, what they were looking

[3:44:05] for with this pet screening fee

[3:44:06] .

[3:44:06] And so I just didn't apply to

[3:44:07] them because why would I pay an

[3:44:10] additional $30 to have my dog

[3:44:10] which is going to be really

[3:44:11] scary to a lot of these housing

[3:44:14] providers in here a 40 pound

[3:44:15] pit bull was going to be

[3:44:15] rejected anyways.

[3:44:19] So rent is expensive enough.

[3:44:20] >> I urge you to vote yes and

[3:44:20] that's what I did.

[3:44:21] Thank you for your time.

[3:44:23] Our next speaker is Carmen

[3:44:24] Venezuela Valdez While she

[3:44:29] comes to the microphone I could

[3:44:29] I also call up Tristin Berry,

[3:44:34] Liliana Soriano, Erin Hahn,

[3:44:38] Lupe Rojas and Nicole Lilly.

[3:44:39] Please come sit in the front

[3:44:39] row.

[3:44:43] Please begin.

[3:44:44] Hi, my name is Carmen.

[3:44:45] I'm a d9 resident and I'm here

[3:44:47] with you all to urge you to

[3:44:48] support this item Through much

[3:44:49] of our work as a youth serving

[3:44:53] organization, a consistent area

[3:44:53] of concern for our communities

[3:44:57] is housing and a big issue Are

[3:44:58] these fees, Are there are fees

[3:44:59] everywhere And the rent that we

[3:45:00] are originally getting hooked

[3:45:03] on with or that is advertised

[3:45:03] to us is never actually

[3:45:04] the real rent that we have to

[3:45:07] pay.

[3:45:08] Hidden fees make living in San

[3:45:08] Diego even less possible.

[3:45:09] In my personal experience I'm

[3:45:12] already having to struggle with

[3:45:13] many issues that myself and

[3:45:16] other youth are experiencing

[3:45:17] like food is incredibly

[3:45:17] expensive Gas and

[3:45:18] transportation schooling is

[3:45:21] expensive Trying to find stable

[3:45:22] working opportunities with good

[3:45:23] pay to actually sustain

[3:45:26] ourselves with a roof over our

[3:45:27] head is nearly impossible.

[3:45:28] So yeah too many times have

[3:45:32] myself and my siblings who

[3:45:33] often live together have to

[3:45:33] choose between basic needs and

[3:45:37] random fees that we get

[3:45:37] notified about But we deal with

[3:45:38] it.

[3:45:38] We deal with broken things and

[3:45:41] bad bathroom conditions because

[3:45:42] we don't want to get feed

[3:45:43] because then we'll end up

[3:45:46] homeless So I'm thinking that

[3:45:47] does conclude your time trust

[3:45:51] and very Hello Council My name

[3:45:56] is Tristan Berry and I am with

[3:45:56] Youth Will and the San Diego

[3:45:57] Youth Homelessness Consortium

[3:45:58] where I work with you

[3:46:00] throughout our city.

[3:46:01] As someone who was homeless six

[3:46:01] times before he was 18, I'm

[3:46:02] here to strongly urge you to

[3:46:04] vote yes on item 330 And rental

[3:46:05] fees make housing more

[3:46:09] expensive and less predictable

[3:46:10] for renters.

[3:46:10] As someone who gets

[3:46:11] the opportunity to talk with

[3:46:12] youth on a nearly daily basis,

[3:46:14] I'm hearing constantly about

[3:46:15] their struggles with cost of

[3:46:16] living and particularly housing

[3:46:16] costs.

[3:46:19] We need to do everything we can

[3:46:19] to ensure that these youth know

[3:46:20] exactly what they're getting

[3:46:21] into and what they're going to

[3:46:23] be paying when they get start

[3:46:24] renting a new apartment So they

[3:46:25] aren't there aren't any

[3:46:28] surprises In addition to

[3:46:29] supporting the ordinance being

[3:46:29] reviewed today, I also want to

[3:46:30] uplift our time to act

[3:46:33] recommendation that the city

[3:46:33] Council should explore

[3:46:34] the addition of language that

[3:46:35] would prohibit landlords from

[3:46:35] charging a higher rent for

[3:46:39] additional tenancy living in

[3:46:39] the same unit.

[3:46:40] As I mentioned, many of our

[3:46:40] youth are navigating

[3:46:42] unpredictable job market and

[3:46:43] the rising cost of living As a

[3:46:44] result of struggling through

[3:46:44] these they're finding

[3:46:49] themselves unhoused and relying

[3:46:49] on others like friends and

[3:46:50] family more than ever.

[3:46:50] I was one of those kids that

[3:46:51] had to rely on the kindness of

[3:46:55] others to keep a roof over my

[3:46:55] head.

[3:46:56] So I can't imagine a situation

[3:46:56] where we can justify helping

[3:46:57] you do your time.

[3:46:57] Thank you.

[3:47:01] Liliana Soriano Hello Council

[3:47:02] members My name is Liliana.

[3:47:06] >> I'm the director of policy

[3:47:07] at Youth.

[3:47:07] Well we are a youth serving

[3:47:08] advocacy organization and

[3:47:11] amongst young people we have

[3:47:11] surveyed since 2022.

[3:47:12] Now housing has always been a

[3:47:16] concern from cause the stories

[3:47:17] of what it's like to not have a

[3:47:17] shelter.

[3:47:18] Our reasons Young people

[3:47:20] highlight way by housing as an

[3:47:21] issue in the region.

[3:47:21] Housing is not a commodity.

[3:47:25] It's a human right with that I

[3:47:26] support this ordinance before

[3:47:26] you because housing should come

[3:47:27] with transparency.

[3:47:30] That is the bare minimum we can

[3:47:31] do not hidden fees like

[3:47:32] unexpected application fees and

[3:47:36] as if charging for rent and

[3:47:36] gender wasn't enough, today's

[3:47:37] ordinance is also a step

[3:47:40] towards equity and transparency

[3:47:40] for people to know what

[3:47:41] the real cost of their housing

[3:47:42] will be before signing a

[3:47:45] contract.

[3:47:46] Lastly, we urge you to add

[3:47:47] additional language to prohibit

[3:47:47] landlords from charging higher

[3:47:50] rent for additional tenants

[3:47:51] living in the same unit Because

[3:47:55] why would you charge for more

[3:47:55] when you're already getting

[3:47:56] enough?

[3:47:56] It's a very expensive city to

[3:48:00] live in support to this

[3:48:01] ordinance.

[3:48:01] >> The rest of

[3:48:02] the councilmembers that didn't

[3:48:03] offer this Thank you.

[3:48:11] >> Thank you Aaron Hariharan

[3:48:12] Good afternoon Counsel.

[3:48:17] My name is Auto Hariharan.

[3:48:17] I am a recent graduate of uc

[3:48:18] San Diego and a housing justice

[3:48:21] director at our time to act.

[3:48:22] Two years ago when I first

[3:48:22] started looking for apartments

[3:48:26] moving off campus from uc San

[3:48:30] Diego, I spent over $600 before

[3:48:34] I ever even paid my first rent

[3:48:34] amount.

[3:48:35] It was spent on application

[3:48:39] fees and nonrefundable

[3:48:39] withholding deposit.

[3:48:40] This is not just my experience

[3:48:41] but the experience of a lot of

[3:48:44] my friends and former

[3:48:44] classmates.

[3:48:48] So I would like to support this

[3:48:49] ordinance in addition to my

[3:48:49] strong support for

[3:48:53] the ordinance, I would also

[3:48:54] like to urge the City Council

[3:48:55] to explore additional language,

[3:48:58] additional language that would

[3:48:58] prohibit landlords from

[3:48:59] charging a higher rent for

[3:49:03] additional tenants living in

[3:49:03] the same unit.

[3:49:04] I see this a lot with students

[3:49:09] especially because they want to

[3:49:09] stay close to their

[3:49:10] universities So they all had a

[3:49:13] job in a small apartment and

[3:49:14] then end up paying extra for

[3:49:14] it.

[3:49:14] >> Thank you.

[3:49:15] Thank you.

[3:49:22] Our next speaker is Lupe Rojas

[3:49:22] .

[3:49:23] Lupe.

[3:49:24] Do you have a presentation?

[3:49:28] Yes, it is a joint presentation

[3:49:28] with Nicole Lilly.

[3:49:32] >> We both got it in time To

[3:49:32] us.

[3:49:33] All right, great.

[3:49:34] Let me let me just verify all

[3:49:41] the time seeders okay, Mohamed

[3:49:47] Mohamed El.

[3:49:47] Yes.

[3:49:47] Okay.

[3:49:48] Thank you.

[3:49:51] How a batch habit too.

[3:49:56] Okay.

[3:49:56] Jessie Schmidt.

[3:49:57] Okay.

[3:50:00] Nicole Lilly.

[3:50:05] Hey, Alex Castillo.

[3:50:06] >> Okay.

[3:50:11] Patricia Mondragon.

[3:50:11] Sparky Mitra.

[3:50:16] Rose Dang.

[3:50:16] Okay.

[3:50:17] Mary Cruz.

[3:50:21] Mendiola Okay.

[3:50:26] Ashley Mendiola.

[3:50:27] Okay, great.

[3:50:28] You will have 11 minutes total.

[3:50:28] Okay.

[3:50:31] Thank you.

[3:50:32] >> Thank you.

[3:50:33] Hello, council members.

[3:50:36] My name is whether I'm a policy

[3:50:37] advocate with Metro Community

[3:50:37] Advocacy Network and I am

[3:50:38] speaking for the Coalition for

[3:50:42] Equitable Development which is

[3:50:42] comprised of 20 organizations

[3:50:43] across the region.

[3:50:48] We.

[3:50:49] >> Hello, my name is Nicole

[3:50:49] Lilly.

[3:50:50] I'm a 23 year old renter and

[3:50:51] District three and

[3:50:52] the executive director of our

[3:50:52] Time to Act.

[3:50:53] >> I'm also a member of

[3:50:54] the Coalition for Equitable

[3:51:00] Development and the First Lady.

[3:51:01] >> Oh yes.

[3:51:06] So as we heard, housing in San

[3:51:06] Diego is already expensive And

[3:51:07] then when you have all of these

[3:51:10] hidden fees it becomes even

[3:51:11] more unaffordable for a lot of

[3:51:16] the population that we have out

[3:51:16] here, especially younger folks

[3:51:21] who are still making a living

[3:51:21] and finding stability in their

[3:51:22] lives.

[3:51:26] Unfortunately more than half of

[3:51:26] the housing costs burden San

[3:51:29] Diego and spend more than 30%

[3:51:30] of their income on housing.

[3:51:30] >> Next slide please.

[3:51:35] As you already learn young fees

[3:51:40] are any additional fees that

[3:51:41] are not reflected on the that

[3:51:42] on the sorry on the price that

[3:51:46] is being advertised here you

[3:51:46] see it being advertised at

[3:51:47] $2,200 and everything else

[3:51:52] listed is considered a junk fee

[3:51:53] for not being disclosed on

[3:51:57] the lease that is signed by

[3:51:57] the tenant.

[3:51:58] >> Next slide please.

[3:51:58] Thank you.

[3:52:03] So we see it as a something

[3:52:04] that is unfair and necessary.

[3:52:04] The practices are so predatory

[3:52:08] that they'd be laughable

[3:52:09] elsewhere It would be like

[3:52:14] having to pay some kind of back

[3:52:14] handling fee at the airport or

[3:52:15] paying for car maintenance When

[3:52:19] you do groceries And obviously

[3:52:20] that's something that should

[3:52:20] already be covered by

[3:52:21] the businesses because their

[3:52:24] job is to provide good customer

[3:52:30] service and these are all fees

[3:52:30] that obviously should be paid

[3:52:36] by them And a lot of the a lot

[3:52:37] of the renters are being asked

[3:52:40] to pay for them.

[3:52:46] >> And next slide here we have

[3:52:47] some stories that we've heard

[3:52:51] from our community members and

[3:52:51] these do not pertain to any

[3:52:52] district.

[3:52:52] They're just stories that have

[3:52:56] been gathered all across

[3:52:56] the region.

[3:53:02] >> Next slide.

[3:53:03] >> Unfortunately some landlords

[3:53:03] ignored the basic facts by

[3:53:07] arguing that there's no clear

[3:53:08] data driven justification for

[3:53:09] this ordinance Yet more than

[3:53:13] 25% of residents spend half of

[3:53:14] their income on housing even

[3:53:14] And we know that even

[3:53:18] the smallest fee add on to that

[3:53:19] burden and obviously leads to a

[3:53:24] lot of financial instability.

[3:53:29] >> Here you can see the power

[3:53:30] imbalance On one side we have

[3:53:30] the landlord who set lease for

[3:53:35] setting the leases control fees

[3:53:36] and who happen to be gaining

[3:53:36] power.

[3:53:37] And on the other side we have

[3:53:38] the renters who need housing

[3:53:41] have limited alternatives and

[3:53:42] do not hold people very little

[3:53:47] bargaining power and some

[3:53:47] versus reality.

[3:53:53] >> Before I pass it on onto my

[3:53:54] colleague there's a

[3:53:54] misconception that this

[3:53:55] ordinance hurts landlords and

[3:53:58] that it MAY impact future

[3:53:59] development but in reality

[3:53:59] responsible landlords budget

[3:54:05] This closed plan and price

[3:54:06] honestly and mandatory

[3:54:10] transparency and fairness does

[3:54:11] not magically reduce the need

[3:54:12] and the demand for housing in

[3:54:17] San Diego.

[3:54:18] Thank you Ben.

[3:54:19] I want to begin by my part of

[3:54:23] the presentation by debunking

[3:54:24] the myth of the cost burden

[3:54:24] Landlord.

[3:54:24] Next slide please.

[3:54:29] This assertion again it's out

[3:54:29] of touch with reality.

[3:54:30] It is not the job of city

[3:54:31] council or renters to subsidize

[3:54:35] landlords who don't effectively

[3:54:35] budget for rising costs or seek

[3:54:36] to eke out every last penny

[3:54:37] from a public already drowning

[3:54:42] in cost of living.

[3:54:42] Landlords should know

[3:54:43] the business they're in well

[3:54:43] enough to anticipate account

[3:54:47] for and disclose the regular

[3:54:48] cost and application lease

[3:54:49] agreement and monthly

[3:54:49] statements.

[3:54:53] As business owners landlords

[3:54:54] can and should set aside

[3:54:55] reserves to cover unanticipated

[3:54:55] costs that arise between

[3:54:59] signing and renewing leases.

[3:55:00] If landlords can't maintain

[3:55:01] business they have the option

[3:55:01] to sell to generate income.

[3:55:06] Renters often have nowhere else

[3:55:06] to go and constantly rising

[3:55:07] prices outside of housing to

[3:55:07] contend with.

[3:55:12] I want to reiterate

[3:55:12] the comments of my colleague.

[3:55:13] Mandating basic transparency

[3:55:14] and fairness does not magically

[3:55:18] reduce the need and demand of

[3:55:18] housing in San Diego.

[3:55:19] In reality implementing

[3:55:24] protections in this order that

[3:55:24] this ordinance has has

[3:55:25] the potential to take

[3:55:25] significant cost burden and

[3:55:29] pressure off of San Diego

[3:55:30] renters and increase their

[3:55:31] purchasing power and in fact

[3:55:31] increase demand for housing.

[3:55:35] Next slide please.

[3:55:36] So let's talk about what this

[3:55:36] ordinance does.

[3:55:37] The residential rental price

[3:55:42] gouging for exploitation and

[3:55:42] cost transparency ordinance

[3:55:43] will require rental

[3:55:44] advertisements clearly disclose

[3:55:48] all costs and fees.

[3:55:49] That includes transparency

[3:55:50] around the purpose, frequency

[3:55:50] and requirements surrounding

[3:55:51] these costs.

[3:55:54] It allows valid screening

[3:55:55] reports from consumer agencies

[3:55:56] to be used for up to 30 days.

[3:56:00] And this element is vital as

[3:56:00] you've heard today And no one

[3:56:01] should have to pay hundreds of

[3:56:02] dollars just to apply for

[3:56:06] housing.

[3:56:06] >> This ordinance also caps

[3:56:07] holding deposits at 5% of

[3:56:08] monthly rent and prevents

[3:56:11] predatory behavior by requiring

[3:56:12] that deposits be returned

[3:56:13] whether as a refund or applying

[3:56:18] it to subsequent rent and or

[3:56:18] security deposits.

[3:56:22] It caps all recurring fees at

[3:56:23] 5% of monthly rent.

[3:56:23] It accounts for non monthly

[3:56:24] recurring fees through prorated

[3:56:24] rates.

[3:56:28] And this closes loopholes left

[3:56:29] by state laws which as one

[3:56:30] community member shared with me

[3:56:33] allowed their landlord to

[3:56:34] increase their parking fee from

[3:56:38] $30 a month to 300 to get

[3:56:39] around the 10% annual rental

[3:56:39] increase cap.

[3:56:40] It caps late fees a 2% of

[3:56:45] monthly rent and mandates that

[3:56:46] this change can't come unless

[3:56:46] rent is seven or more days

[3:56:47] delayed.

[3:56:52] Preventing As our partners at

[3:56:52] panna shared from residents

[3:56:53] being charged for an on time

[3:56:54] payment that takes longer to

[3:56:57] process.

[3:56:58] It also prioritizes that

[3:56:59] payments go towards rent before

[3:56:59] fees.

[3:57:03] And this I want to emphasize.

[3:57:04] Nearly every young person lease

[3:57:08] I reviewed mandates 6%, 10% or

[3:57:08] higher late fees and includes

[3:57:12] predatory language demanding

[3:57:13] payments apply first to fees

[3:57:13] pushing tenants further behind

[3:57:14] on rent as they try to catch

[3:57:14] up.

[3:57:19] This ordinance prohibits fees

[3:57:19] for ownership and maintenance

[3:57:20] of common household pets or

[3:57:24] charges for basic habitability

[3:57:24] Because as you MAY have seen in

[3:57:25] the stories shared earlier this

[3:57:26] presentation people are already

[3:57:30] living paycheck to paycheck and

[3:57:31] should not have to worry about

[3:57:32] if they're able to keep their

[3:57:32] pet or pay out of pocket for

[3:57:33] pest control.

[3:57:37] >> These postcards will be

[3:57:37] shared with you in the weeks to

[3:57:38] come.

[3:57:38] And there's even more to come.

[3:57:39] These are filled with stories

[3:57:42] of renters and residents all

[3:57:43] over San Diego who are

[3:57:43] struggling with rental junk

[3:57:48] fees and hidden fees and a lack

[3:57:48] of transparency from landlords.

[3:57:53] >> This ordinance ordinance

[3:57:54] mandates as its name states

[3:57:55] transparency.

[3:57:55] It prohibits charging for

[3:57:59] processing fees and requires

[3:58:00] proper 30 day notice and

[3:58:01] written agreement from tenants

[3:58:02] for fees not previously agreed

[3:58:02] upon in the lease.

[3:58:06] That is basic contractual

[3:58:07] contractual respect.

[3:58:07] Next slide please.

[3:58:13] I want to emphasize as a young

[3:58:14] renter, as an organizer who

[3:58:15] works with San Diego is

[3:58:15] experiencing the brunt of our

[3:58:18] housing crisis every day.

[3:58:19] Housing is not a luxury.

[3:58:20] It is a basic necessity.

[3:58:24] Housing has been time and time

[3:58:25] again proven to be

[3:58:26] the foundation for our health,

[3:58:30] education, employment,

[3:58:30] financial stability and access

[3:58:31] to resources and opportunity.

[3:58:36] It determines our life outcomes

[3:58:36] .

[3:58:37] Unpredictable housing costs and

[3:58:38] hidden junk fees are not simply

[3:58:38] inconvenient.

[3:58:42] They cause untold harm to San

[3:58:43] Diego families and communities.

[3:58:43] Next slide please.

[3:58:48] And real protection requires

[3:58:48] accountability.

[3:58:49] This ordinance provides that

[3:58:50] accountability.

[3:58:50] It provides that accountability

[3:58:55] through enforcement where it

[3:58:56] does allow claims to be proven

[3:58:56] in court where a tenant or

[3:58:57] applicant claiming a violation

[3:59:01] MAY file an action against

[3:59:01] the landlord in court.

[3:59:02] And remedies where a tenant or

[3:59:06] applicant MAY seek injunctive

[3:59:07] relief, equitable relief and

[3:59:07] money damages including

[3:59:08] punitive damages in a civil

[3:59:12] action against a landlord for a

[3:59:12] violation.

[3:59:13] And as another community member

[3:59:14] shared everyone deserves

[3:59:14] the right to a roof over their

[3:59:17] head.

[3:59:18] >> This ordinance would make

[3:59:19] the process of applying to

[3:59:19] housing more equitable.

[3:59:23] Next slide please.

[3:59:24] Next, Renters are simply asking

[3:59:25] for fairness and transparency

[3:59:28] to be a two way street.

[3:59:29] >> City officials have a long

[3:59:30] history of propping up

[3:59:34] homeowner and landlord

[3:59:35] investments and treating

[3:59:35] renters as second class

[3:59:36] citizens.

[3:59:36] I have heard dehumanizing

[3:59:41] language about renters from

[3:59:41] this dais as well as previous

[3:59:42] drivers.

[3:59:50] 79,000 sorry 79,125.

[3:59:51] An investor owned rental homes

[3:59:52] in San Diego also clarify that

[3:59:56] this is a lucrative business

[3:59:56] and landlords want fairness and

[3:59:57] transparency from their

[3:59:57] tenants.

[3:59:58] But renters deserve that same

[4:00:02] courtesy from their landlords.

[4:00:03] And I want to also say that any

[4:00:08] ethical truly ethical landlord

[4:00:08] would not be worried about any

[4:00:09] of the provisions in this

[4:00:09] ordinance.

[4:00:14] And if you have to call

[4:00:15] yourself an ethical landlord

[4:00:15] rather than actually have your

[4:00:16] tenants up here speaking on

[4:00:20] your behalf, then I don't think

[4:00:20] you are one.

[4:00:20] Next slide please.

[4:00:25] This ordinance will make Sandy

[4:00:26] make calling San Diego home a

[4:00:27] more attainable dream for

[4:00:27] the very people working hard to

[4:00:31] make the city the desirable

[4:00:32] place we love to live in.

[4:00:33] The Coalition for Equitable

[4:00:37] Development is respectfully

[4:00:37] urging Council to support

[4:00:38] the residential rental price

[4:00:43] gouging for exploitation and

[4:00:44] cost transparency ordinance

[4:00:45] Today on behalf of all San

[4:00:45] Diego San Diego.

[4:00:49] This benefits all of us not

[4:00:50] just renters.

[4:00:51] I strongly urge your support as

[4:00:51] this item moves forward.

[4:00:58] Thank you so much for your time

[4:00:58] .

[4:00:59] >> Thank you.

[4:00:59] Kimberly Miller.

[4:01:04] Q Please come forward while

[4:01:05] Kimberly comes forward Could

[4:01:10] Mark Schmitt Juliana Tetlow,

[4:01:11] Andrew Malik and Paul Kruger

[4:01:22] please come to the front row?

[4:01:29] >> Kimberly you have two people

[4:01:29] seeking you time Amber Earnest

[4:01:37] and Amber here.

[4:01:38] Amber Earnest thinks you know

[4:01:44] she left okay and carlson Okay

[4:01:44] ,I see.

[4:01:45] And so you'll have two minutes.

[4:01:45] Thank you.

[4:01:49] Good afternoon.

[4:01:50] Council member Kimberly Miller

[4:01:50] on behalf of the Southern

[4:01:51] California Rental Housing

[4:01:55] Association, a theory j has

[4:01:55] been engaged in working groups

[4:01:56] on this topic since last

[4:01:57] OCTOBER and is committed to

[4:02:01] collaboration.

[4:02:01] However, as I stand here before

[4:02:02] you today we have critical

[4:02:03] questions that remain

[4:02:03] unanswered throughout their

[4:02:08] engagement on screening fraud

[4:02:08] at the growing crisis,

[4:02:12] application fraud jumped 40%

[4:02:12] last year nationally.

[4:02:13] How will this ordinance protect

[4:02:17] providers when regulated Third

[4:02:17] party screening already exists

[4:02:18] for exactly that purpose?

[4:02:23] On the 5% holding deposit cap,

[4:02:23] 5% does not cover two days of

[4:02:24] lost rent.

[4:02:24] Will this requirement

[4:02:28] discourage a practice that

[4:02:29] helps prospective renters

[4:02:29] reserve a unit as they apply

[4:02:34] for the property on the 5% fee

[4:02:34] cap?

[4:02:34] What analysis Establish

[4:02:35] the percentage of 5% does

[4:02:39] the cap consider different

[4:02:40] property types and locations

[4:02:41] throughout the city.

[4:02:45] Will the city look to help

[4:02:45] providers if the cap forces

[4:02:46] them to deny a service a tenant

[4:02:52] wants on late fees?

[4:02:52] a crt believes that state law

[4:02:53] should just simply be

[4:02:57] the standard here.

[4:02:58] More importantly, requiring a

[4:02:58] week or more of no payment of

[4:02:59] rent before late fees can be

[4:03:03] imposed MAY disproportionately

[4:03:04] impact small to midsize

[4:03:04] property owners.

[4:03:09] I'm happy with security deposit

[4:03:10] deposits capped at one month's

[4:03:10] rent Pet for pet.

[4:03:15] These offset real damage costs.

[4:03:15] What recourse will rental

[4:03:16] providers have for pet damage

[4:03:16] to communal areas?

[4:03:21] On advertising does this apply

[4:03:22] to yard signs as well?

[4:03:25] Renter providers be liable for

[4:03:26] third party listings like they

[4:03:27] do not control?

[4:03:27] This impacts impact largely

[4:03:31] seniors and mom and pop owners

[4:03:32] that don't use websites on

[4:03:37] transparency a support

[4:03:37] transparency for all and they

[4:03:38] believe that data could help

[4:03:39] inform and provide much needed

[4:03:43] insight into this discussion.

[4:03:44] Since similar bills at

[4:03:49] the State sb 61 and 8012 were

[4:03:49] created honestly thank you so

[4:03:50] much.

[4:03:53] >> Thank you Mark Schmidt.

[4:03:54] Hi.

[4:03:54] Thank you City Council

[4:03:59] Appreciate it so I honestly

[4:03:59] believe there should be

[4:04:00] transparency for all both sides

[4:04:06] both ways As far as that there

[4:04:06] will be tremendous fraud.

[4:04:11] I believe in these credit

[4:04:11] checks If you don't allow

[4:04:12] the landlord to do credit

[4:04:17] checks, we get to the point of

[4:04:18] things Developers are not

[4:04:23] coming to San Diego to build

[4:04:23] housing.

[4:04:24] There's too much cost here.

[4:04:25] There's too much bureaucracy

[4:04:28] and the politics of it they're

[4:04:29] going to other states and it's

[4:04:30] going to get worse and worse

[4:04:30] and worse.

[4:04:34] When I was a kid you could work

[4:04:35] a couple of years, buy a house.

[4:04:36] These these days it's

[4:04:36] impossible.

[4:04:40] I feel sorry for the immigrants

[4:04:41] ,the low blue collar workers

[4:04:41] and so on.

[4:04:42] We need more housing.

[4:04:43] The more regulation you put

[4:04:47] there that stifles housing.

[4:04:47] I believe in fairness to all

[4:04:48] And there's also be a few bad

[4:04:49] apples are going get as he said

[4:04:52] she said that's what small

[4:04:52] claims court is.

[4:04:53] But please, I must tell you I

[4:04:54] grew up here.

[4:04:58] I've been building here.

[4:04:59] >> We've stopped building.

[4:04:59] Thank you.

[4:05:00] That does conclude your time.

[4:05:03] Julianna Tetlow.

[4:05:04] Good afternoon.

[4:05:05] Council members Julianna Tetlow

[4:05:09] here on behalf of San Diego

[4:05:10] Humane Society at its core.

[4:05:11] This ordinance is aimed at

[4:05:16] transparency and it's fair and

[4:05:16] it's balanced.

[4:05:17] There's a lot of misinformation

[4:05:21] about what this does as it

[4:05:22] relates particularly to pets.

[4:05:22] So I want to highlight actually

[4:05:23] what it doesn't do.

[4:05:28] It does not prohibit pet

[4:05:28] deposits.

[4:05:28] It does not mandate that

[4:05:34] landlords accept pets in their

[4:05:34] property.

[4:05:35] It does not prohibit size

[4:05:36] restrictions although maybe

[4:05:39] that's something we can work

[4:05:40] on.

[4:05:40] And it does not prohibit a

[4:05:41] landlord or owner from

[4:05:42] protecting their assets.

[4:05:46] Animal services is expensive

[4:05:46] and it costs every taxpayer.

[4:05:51] We must continue to work on

[4:05:52] removing barriers to keep

[4:05:53] people with their pets which is

[4:05:58] what is on behalf of San Diego

[4:05:58] Humane Society.

[4:05:59] We urge every councilmember to

[4:06:00] support this ordinance.

[4:06:01] Thank you.

[4:06:02] >> Thank you.

[4:06:08] Andrew Malik.

[4:06:08] Good afternoon.

[4:06:09] Honorable Council members.

[4:06:10] My name is Andrew Malik.

[4:06:14] I represent the Council of

[4:06:15] Infill Builders While others

[4:06:16] have spoken to the operational

[4:06:20] frictions of this policy, we

[4:06:21] urge you to look at the macro

[4:06:21] economic reality.

[4:06:25] Economics is a science and

[4:06:26] price controls are historically

[4:06:27] a failed experiment.

[4:06:31] The Federal Reserve Bank of St

[4:06:32] Louis published an extensive

[4:06:33] report warning that artificial

[4:06:33] price controls distort market

[4:06:37] signals, stifles supply and

[4:06:38] create massive unintended

[4:06:38] consequences.

[4:06:43] Specifically, they note that

[4:06:44] when governments impose a price

[4:06:45] cap on a service, providers are

[4:06:49] faced with forced to alter or

[4:06:50] eliminate those options

[4:06:50] entirely for infill and transit

[4:06:55] oriented projects.

[4:06:56] Flexibility is everything to

[4:06:57] make housing performance work.

[4:06:57] Developers must be able to

[4:07:01] unbundled costs allowing

[4:07:02] tenants to opt in and pay for

[4:07:03] parking, pet storage or other

[4:07:07] premium amenities.

[4:07:08] >> Capping these fees at an

[4:07:09] arbitrary five percent strips

[4:07:14] away the flexibility that does

[4:07:15] continue to infill housing.

[4:07:15] Next up Paul Kruger.

[4:07:16] While Paul comes to

[4:07:16] the microphone good man

[4:07:20] Rodriguez Just dangle that

[4:07:21] digitally Audra.

[4:07:26] We drawn Nicole a and Susan

[4:07:26] Ragan.

[4:07:27] >> Please come to the front

[4:07:27] room.

[4:07:28] Thank you, counsel.

[4:07:31] My first concern is that

[4:07:32] the title of the proposed

[4:07:33] ordinance Price Gouging Fee

[4:07:37] Exploitation is a very divisive

[4:07:38] and polarizing title.

[4:07:44] Please just stick with

[4:07:44] the words cost transparency.

[4:07:45] We have two groups here

[4:07:45] the Apartment Owners

[4:07:50] Association and the cia that

[4:07:50] have expressed their

[4:07:51] willingness to work with you.

[4:07:56] Why would you alienate them

[4:07:57] with the use of such polarizing

[4:07:57] language?

[4:08:02] Number two trash water late

[4:08:02] fees Paid fees are not junk

[4:08:03] fees.

[4:08:06] Number three the time and

[4:08:07] energy put into this ordinance

[4:08:12] would be much better spent on

[4:08:12] educating those who are looking

[4:08:18] to rent on the legalities of

[4:08:18] contracts and funding legal aid

[4:08:24] groups that can challenge these

[4:08:24] these illegal contracts that

[4:08:30] the courts can handle.

[4:08:31] >> It's simply a better use of

[4:08:31] your time.

[4:08:32] Thank you.

[4:08:41] Manny Rodriguez.

[4:08:42] Good afternoon, council

[4:08:42] members.

[4:08:43] I'm here on behalf of

[4:08:48] the Democrats of San Diego

[4:08:48] County.

[4:08:49] Last week we had a hearing with

[4:08:50] our members in which we had

[4:08:50] both sides present their

[4:08:54] arguments.

[4:08:55] Then we had a debate and after

[4:08:55] all that our members voted 3 to

[4:09:00] 1 to endorse this policy.

[4:09:00] The cap on fees and

[4:09:01] transparency on rental prices

[4:09:02] was really important to our

[4:09:02] members.

[4:09:06] The most favorite part that our

[4:09:07] members liked about this

[4:09:07] proposal after talking to them

[4:09:08] was being able to reuse

[4:09:12] the same applications greening

[4:09:13] fee.

[4:09:13] We've had members who have paid

[4:09:14] hundreds of dollars just to

[4:09:15] find a place to live just to

[4:09:17] apply for places to live.

[4:09:18] So with all that being said on

[4:09:19] behalf of our members, please

[4:09:24] support this policy and thank

[4:09:25] you Council Member for your

[4:09:25] letter for being a legislator.

[4:09:27] Thank you very much.

[4:09:28] Thank you.

[4:09:34] Justin go.

[4:09:34] >> Good afternoon everyone.

[4:09:35] My name is Judge Stengel.

[4:09:40] Over the last 50 years I have

[4:09:40] been a renter, owner and

[4:09:41] landlord in the city of San

[4:09:41] Diego.

[4:09:45] In 2019 I rented a house in

[4:09:46] the city, had a detached garage

[4:09:50] for my laundry appliances,

[4:09:51] parking which is tough to get

[4:09:51] in that neighborhood.

[4:09:52] This was all under one rental

[4:09:53] agreement even though

[4:09:56] the garage was separate and

[4:09:57] adjoining garage to me was rat

[4:09:58] infested non code compliant

[4:10:02] plumbing and electrical and it

[4:10:03] was being used illegally as a

[4:10:04] dwelling.

[4:10:08] I reported this to the city and

[4:10:08] my landlord retaliated against

[4:10:09] me.

[4:10:09] She hired a legal firm who sent

[4:10:13] me a demand letter with a 30

[4:10:13] day notice to vacate the garage

[4:10:14] only stating that the garage

[4:10:18] was no longer part of

[4:10:19] the rental agreement because

[4:10:20] according to the law it was

[4:10:20] quote detached.

[4:10:24] I lost that place.

[4:10:25] The letter from the attorney

[4:10:25] also stated that my rent then

[4:10:26] 65% of my fixed income would

[4:10:30] remain the same amount and I

[4:10:31] would be have to pay $600 more

[4:10:31] per month.

[4:10:36] The city should be aware of

[4:10:36] this.

[4:10:37] >> That is the garage that does

[4:10:38] conclude your time allegedly

[4:10:50] order.

[4:10:50] >> Thank you so much for

[4:10:51] honoring victims and removing

[4:10:55] the predatory flag Brown Act

[4:10:56] violation You can't remove that

[4:10:57] last item without hearing

[4:10:57] public comment anyhow.

[4:11:01] You guys are conflating the you

[4:11:01] know, corporate landlords and

[4:11:06] small family owned businesses

[4:11:07] and junk fees and getting full

[4:11:07] cost recovery for the things

[4:11:08] that you guys implement like

[4:11:12] the trash fees that you put on

[4:11:12] somebody's property tax that's

[4:11:13] not a that comes in.

[4:11:14] That's something that you guys

[4:11:18] implemented that then goes down

[4:11:18] to the landlord that they have

[4:11:19] to put on to the tenant And so

[4:11:23] it's like there's a lot of

[4:11:24] confusion going on here and you

[4:11:24] guys love to pit people against

[4:11:25] each other when you're engaged

[4:11:29] in the things that are costing

[4:11:29] people more money to just live

[4:11:33] and then you're you're making

[4:11:34] the landlords the enemy.

[4:11:35] What you need to make sure that

[4:11:39] you are separating the two We

[4:11:39] don't have BlackRock and

[4:11:40] Vanguard in here talking about

[4:11:43] not wanting this but you have

[4:11:44] family owned businesses where

[4:11:45] they're like we need to make

[4:11:45] sure that we can get full cost

[4:11:46] recovery.

[4:11:49] You guys want it?

[4:11:49] >> You should be equitable and

[4:11:50] this isn't.

[4:11:50] Thank you.

[4:12:00] We tried.

[4:12:01] >> Hello, my name is We try

[4:12:06] pronouncing him his It's like a

[4:12:06] director Executive director

[4:12:07] Before I did Lifetime I used to

[4:12:11] be a property manager.

[4:12:12] What did you see The house And

[4:12:12] I can tell you that every

[4:12:16] single renter application come

[4:12:16] in.

[4:12:17] We have a choice.

[4:12:17] We're not.

[4:12:18] We want to run credit report

[4:12:22] knowing that it can oppose

[4:12:23] impose quite a number of fee on

[4:12:26] people struggling trying to buy

[4:12:26] housing.

[4:12:27] I often advocate with my boss

[4:12:32] to not run like charging people

[4:12:32] fees like that because at

[4:12:33] the end of day even if we

[4:12:37] rejected our application

[4:12:37] the money coming out of

[4:12:38] people's pockets I also

[4:12:43] advocate would you guys deal

[4:12:43] with like ongoing

[4:12:44] the experiences and knowing

[4:12:48] that discounted extremely

[4:12:49] difficult to find housing and

[4:12:49] people are barely making a

[4:12:50] living if people already what

[4:12:54] to do three job to pay rent we

[4:12:55] cannot adding more fees on like

[4:12:59] this if you want to keep people

[4:13:00] house is how you want to do it

[4:13:00] pass that ordinance Thank you.

[4:13:06] >> Thank you Nicole.

[4:13:07] >> Hello my name is Nicole.

[4:13:11] I'm a resident of Now community

[4:13:12] in District nine.

[4:13:12] I'm a renter.

[4:13:15] I have two roommates.

[4:13:16] I have also have two part time

[4:13:16] jobs.

[4:13:20] Half of my income goes to my

[4:13:21] rent And I know that I'm not

[4:13:22] alone in this boat.

[4:13:23] Most renters I know or talk to

[4:13:25] have at least half or more than

[4:13:26] half of their paycheck go to

[4:13:26] their rent.

[4:13:30] A lot of people are living

[4:13:31] paycheck to paycheck on top of

[4:13:35] rent which is already a lot.

[4:13:36] There are fees, pet fees,

[4:13:37] application fees, convenience

[4:13:41] fees it at it adds up on

[4:13:41] Zillow.

[4:13:42] The last time I checked

[4:13:45] the application fee was $35.

[4:13:46] Whenever I pay my rent on a

[4:13:46] website I get charged

[4:13:50] convenience fees.

[4:13:51] It adds up.

[4:13:51] The reality is that most people

[4:13:55] are closer to homelessness than

[4:13:56] they are to people like Elon

[4:13:56] Musk, Donald Trump and Jeff

[4:13:56] Bezos.

[4:14:00] If you're already not homeless

[4:14:01] I urge you to pass this

[4:14:05] ordinance to protect a huge

[4:14:06] part of your constituents

[4:14:07] the renters, the working people

[4:14:09] in.

[4:14:10] >> Thank you.

[4:14:10] That concludes your time.

[4:14:15] Susan Riggs Good afternoon.

[4:14:16] I'm Susan Riggs, senior housing

[4:14:20] director for the American

[4:14:21] Society for the Prevention of

[4:14:25] Cruelty to Animals and a Renter

[4:14:25] in d-3.

[4:14:26] I'm here to speak to

[4:14:27] the importance of reining in

[4:14:30] rental rental fees overall but

[4:14:30] more specifically those related

[4:14:31] to the keeping of pets.

[4:14:34] Housing instability is among

[4:14:35] the top causes of pet

[4:14:36] surrender, especially among

[4:14:36] lower income households and

[4:14:39] communities of color.

[4:14:40] While I'm here to advocate for

[4:14:41] solutions to reverse this

[4:14:41] trend, I'm also here to speak

[4:14:44] to the importance of the human

[4:14:44] animal bond.

[4:14:45] People are making unimaginable

[4:14:49] decisions in order to avoid

[4:14:49] giving up their family of

[4:14:50] choice.

[4:14:51] We ask you to affirmatively act

[4:14:54] on the junk fees ordinance so

[4:14:54] that fewer renters are forced

[4:14:55] to choose between a roof over

[4:14:58] their head and keeping their

[4:14:58] family pet.

[4:14:59] Thank you.

[4:15:13] Anthony Ralphs Good afternoon

[4:15:17] City Council I strongly support

[4:15:18] this ordinance because at a

[4:15:19] time when 60% of Americans are

[4:15:19] one paycheck away from

[4:15:22] homelessness, when a quarter of

[4:15:23] San Diegans are already

[4:15:24] currently in debt to the greedy

[4:15:27] energy monopoly star Genie when

[4:15:28] the cost of living in San Diego

[4:15:28] is already the highest in

[4:15:29] the nation when private equity

[4:15:32] predators are buying entire

[4:15:33] blocks and amassing communities

[4:15:34] of empty homes, we are prey to

[4:15:38] sky high rents, air pollution

[4:15:38] levels causing one death per

[4:15:39] day.

[4:15:39] Cp That can't hold police

[4:15:42] accountable.

[4:15:43] Sdg In these billions in profit

[4:15:46] greedy landlords flock and now

[4:15:46] junk fees.

[4:15:47] >> Please support this

[4:15:52] ordinance And I didn't forget

[4:15:52] about you LaCava There's a rose

[4:15:56] for you as well.

[4:15:56] Thank you.

[4:15:57] That does conclude in-person

[4:16:01] public comment.

[4:16:02] I've started The five minute

[4:16:03] timer on council chambers will

[4:16:05] now turn to the virtual queue

[4:16:06] in which there are 12

[4:16:06] participants requesting to

[4:16:10] speak.

[4:16:11] We'll begin with Evans Strawn.

[4:16:15] Please begin.

[4:16:15] >> >> Good afternoon.

[4:16:20] Council PRESIDENT LaCava and

[4:16:20] Council members.

[4:16:21] My name is Evan Strawn.

[4:16:22] I'm speaking on behalf of

[4:16:25] the San Diego Regional Chamber

[4:16:25] of Commerce.

[4:16:26] There are some aspects of this

[4:16:26] ordinance that we could support

[4:16:29] including increased

[4:16:30] transparency for renters and

[4:16:31] reasonable policies on things

[4:16:34] like processing fees.

[4:16:35] Unfortunately though we are

[4:16:35] opposed to the ordinance

[4:16:39] because many of the remaining

[4:16:39] items will lead to less

[4:16:40] investment in needed housing

[4:16:44] and do not allow rental

[4:16:44] operators to recoup reasonable

[4:16:45] costs for operations and

[4:16:48] maintenance.

[4:16:49] Rental housing operators incur

[4:16:50] costs for things like pest

[4:16:53] control, pet damage and late

[4:16:53] and unpaid rent.

[4:16:54] These are not just items they

[4:16:55] can write off for free.

[4:16:58] Their businesses who must

[4:16:59] recover costs just like any

[4:16:59] other business or even like

[4:17:03] governmental organizations like

[4:17:04] the city have to do.

[4:17:04] Most parts of this ordinance as

[4:17:08] it's currently written punish

[4:17:09] these businesses for trying to

[4:17:09] recoup these costs.

[4:17:10] For these reasons we must

[4:17:12] continue to oppose

[4:17:13] the ordinance as it is

[4:17:13] currently crafted.

[4:17:17] >> Thank you.

[4:17:25] Jay ems ceo.

[4:17:25] Please begin.

[4:17:25] Yes?

[4:17:26] Can you hear me?

[4:17:26] Yes.

[4:17:30] Please begin.

[4:17:30] Thank you.

[4:17:31] So my wife and I are mom and

[4:17:35] pop landlords and I wanted to

[4:17:36] speak in opposition to this

[4:17:38] bill on two specific items and

[4:17:39] this has been misstated here a

[4:17:43] few times tonight.

[4:17:43] State law was changed a couple

[4:17:47] of years ago by Assembly Bill

[4:17:48] 12.

[4:17:48] It is now illegal in the state

[4:17:49] of California to charge a

[4:17:53] separate pet security deposit.

[4:17:53] That is the law of the land.

[4:17:57] The only way for a landlord to

[4:17:58] cover their damages for pets is

[4:17:58] for a pet fee.

[4:18:03] If you get rid of pet fees in

[4:18:04] the city of San Diego, my wife

[4:18:06] and I will sell all five of our

[4:18:07] rental units and it'll be very

[4:18:08] difficult for anybody to find a

[4:18:11] place to rent to them.

[4:18:12] On the portability of

[4:18:12] screening.

[4:18:15] I have in personally

[4:18:16] encountered people falsifying

[4:18:20] screening paperwork.

[4:18:21] And again if you banned me from

[4:18:25] getting my own we will get out

[4:18:26] of the landlord business as

[4:18:26] well many other landlords.

[4:18:29] Thank you for your time.

[4:18:34] >> Thank you.

[4:18:34] Our next speaker is Amelia

[4:18:35] Romero.

[4:18:41] Please begin.

[4:18:46] >> Good afternoon, council

[4:18:47] members.

[4:18:47] My name is Amalia Romero.

[4:18:48] I work at Legal Aid Society of

[4:18:51] San Diego and I support this

[4:18:52] ordinance.

[4:18:56] For years recently and our work

[4:18:56] helping the most vulnerable

[4:18:57] renters in the city We've seen

[4:19:01] the increase and widespread

[4:19:02] practice of landlords charging

[4:19:05] extra fees beyond the base rent

[4:19:06] .

[4:19:06] And we see firsthand how these

[4:19:07] hidden fees can push ordinary

[4:19:10] families into housing

[4:19:11] instability and how they're too

[4:19:11] often seemingly designed not

[4:19:14] just to recover operational

[4:19:15] expenses but to unfairly profit

[4:19:16] off of tenants.

[4:19:19] This ordinance will not prevent

[4:19:20] landlords from recovering

[4:19:21] legitimate costs.

[4:19:25] They can absolutely still

[4:19:25] recover those costs by

[4:19:26] including them in the base

[4:19:26] rent.

[4:19:29] As was previously a very common

[4:19:30] practice, this ordinance is not

[4:19:31] something revolutionary or that

[4:19:34] risks destabilizing the housing

[4:19:35] market in the city.

[4:19:36] It will promote transparency,

[4:19:39] close loopholes and limit

[4:19:40] exploitation.

[4:19:40] >> So I urge you to move it

[4:19:41] forward.

[4:19:44] Thank you very much.

[4:19:44] >> Thank you.

[4:19:45] Our next speaker is Aria

[4:19:45] Grossman.

[4:19:51] Please begin.

[4:19:52] >> Good afternoon Council.

[4:19:52] My name is Aria.

[4:19:53] I'm the policy manager at

[4:19:56] Circulate Planning and Policy.

[4:19:57] Under current law in certain

[4:20:01] places across the city parking

[4:20:02] has to be charged as a fee

[4:20:02] separate from rent.

[4:20:03] This is an equity measure to

[4:20:06] ensure that those who do not

[4:20:07] use a vehicle either by choice

[4:20:08] or by necessity aren't charged

[4:20:11] for it.

[4:20:11] In addition to being an equity

[4:20:12] consideration, this policy also

[4:20:15] helps make progress towards our

[4:20:16] climate and mobility goals as

[4:20:17] it helps ensure that people

[4:20:21] consider alternate forms of

[4:20:21] transportation rather than just

[4:20:22] defaulting to driving a

[4:20:22] vehicle.

[4:20:26] For this policy to be

[4:20:27] effective, the cost of parking

[4:20:27] has to reflect demand which

[4:20:31] cannot which it cannot be if

[4:20:32] it's capped under this

[4:20:32] ordinance.

[4:20:33] There is of course also

[4:20:36] the concern that landlords

[4:20:36] might raise rents on everyone

[4:20:37] to capture the differential

[4:20:37] between the cap and then

[4:20:41] the current market prices that

[4:20:41] they're charging for parking.

[4:20:42] So I urge you to address this

[4:20:45] issue by exempting parking

[4:20:46] costs that are already required

[4:20:46] to be unbundled from rent and

[4:20:47] the final ordinance.

[4:20:49] Thank you.

[4:20:50] >> Thank you.

[4:20:50] Our next speaker is Justine

[4:20:51] Murray.

[4:20:58] Please begin.

[4:20:58] Good afternoon, Council

[4:20:59] PRESIDENT Cobb and Council

[4:20:59] members.

[4:21:00] My name is Justine Murray.

[4:21:01] I'm the vice PRESIDENT Of

[4:21:02] government affairs for

[4:21:02] the Downtown Senior

[4:21:03] Partnership.

[4:21:03] More than 30 years

[4:21:06] the partnership has represented

[4:21:07] downtown San Diego's businesses

[4:21:08] property owners, employers,

[4:21:08] residents and community

[4:21:12] stakeholders.

[4:21:12] We respectfully urge you to

[4:21:13] vote no on this ordinance as

[4:21:14] currently proposed.

[4:21:16] While we do support greater

[4:21:17] transparency for renters, this

[4:21:17] ordinance goes well beyond that

[4:21:18] goal.

[4:21:18] It creates additional

[4:21:21] regulations that increase

[4:21:22] uncertainty for housing

[4:21:23] providers, make projects more

[4:21:23] difficult to finance and

[4:21:26] discourage the private

[4:21:27] investment needed to build,

[4:21:27] operate and maintain housing

[4:21:28] for San Diegans.

[4:21:31] At a time when our city faces a

[4:21:32] severe housing shortage, we

[4:21:32] should be advancing policies

[4:21:33] that encourage housing

[4:21:36] production not adding new

[4:21:37] barriers that could further

[4:21:38] constrain housing supply and

[4:21:38] investment.

[4:21:41] We encourage the city to

[4:21:41] continue working with

[4:21:42] stakeholders on balanced

[4:21:42] solutions that improve

[4:21:46] transparency while also

[4:21:46] preserving a predictable

[4:21:47] regulatory environment that

[4:21:47] supports housing production

[4:21:48] affordability.

[4:21:50] Thank you so much for your

[4:21:51] time.

[4:21:51] Thank you.

[4:21:55] Please note that the five

[4:21:56] minute timer has concluded with

[4:21:56] nine speakers left in

[4:21:56] the queue.

[4:22:00] No other speakers will be taken

[4:22:00] for public comment.

[4:22:01] Our next speaker is C.J.

[4:22:02] Mendoza.

[4:22:07] Please begin.

[4:22:08] >> Good afternoon.

[4:22:09] I'm C.J. I'm with high school

[4:22:12] and I urge you to vote yes on

[4:22:12] this ordinance.

[4:22:13] Hidden rental fees makes

[4:22:14] housing more expensive and

[4:22:17] unpredictable.

[4:22:18] More cost transparency benefits

[4:22:18] both renters and responsible

[4:22:21] landlords.

[4:22:22] In addition to the strong

[4:22:23] support of the ordinance being

[4:22:24] reviewed today, I urge the City

[4:22:26] Council to explore the addition

[4:22:27] of language that would prohibit

[4:22:27] landlords from charging a

[4:22:31] higher rent for additional

[4:22:32] tenants living in the same

[4:22:32] unit.

[4:22:33] While language directly naming

[4:22:36] the cost of additional tenants

[4:22:37] ,many of the leases that were

[4:22:37] reviewed included language

[4:22:41] similarly limiting the tendency

[4:22:42] of the unit to only those

[4:22:42] signed to the lease agreement.

[4:22:45] We understand that additional

[4:22:46] tenants MAY trigger higher

[4:22:47] utility consumption and MAY

[4:22:51] result in higher utility bills

[4:22:51] for that unit But the base

[4:22:52] monthly rent should not be

[4:22:56] allowed to change.

[4:22:57] Many San Diego, especially

[4:22:57] youth are vulnerable to

[4:23:00] unpredictable employment status

[4:23:01] and rising cost of living.

[4:23:01] Unfortunately.

[4:23:05] Thank you And please vote yes.

[4:23:06] >> Thank you.

[4:23:07] Our next speaker is Natalie

[4:23:07] Roski.

[4:23:14] Please begin.

[4:23:20] Natalie Roski.

[4:23:20] Hi.

[4:23:21] Can you hear me?

[4:23:21] Yes.

[4:23:22] Please begin.

[4:23:22] All right.

[4:23:25] Natalie Ashley, District seven

[4:23:29] I've been transparent most of

[4:23:30] these meetings about what I go

[4:23:31] through as a tenant in some of

[4:23:34] these large apartment complexes

[4:23:39] such as Money Vista.

[4:23:39] If we're being currently, you

[4:23:40] know, having to move and I have

[4:23:44] a child that's 18.

[4:23:45] So when you're married you have

[4:23:45] to fill out an application for

[4:23:49] yourself or your husband And

[4:23:50] now I have an 18 year old

[4:23:50] child.

[4:23:51] That adds up.

[4:23:54] We have some sub water charges

[4:23:54] submitted water charges,

[4:23:59] submitters sewer charges along

[4:23:59] on top of the water and sewer

[4:24:03] charge which they charge us a

[4:24:04] on the size of our apartment

[4:24:04] square foot.

[4:24:08] So I could be conserving water

[4:24:09] but that doesn't mean the other

[4:24:10] my neighbor is and I'm still

[4:24:13] being charged per my square

[4:24:13] foot.

[4:24:14] My garbage fees are $103 a

[4:24:14] month.

[4:24:18] It's starting to really become

[4:24:19] overwhelming that families are

[4:24:19] having to put themselves in

[4:24:26] situation where they feel like

[4:24:26] .

[4:24:27] Thank you.

[4:24:27] That does conclude your time.

[4:24:28] Our next speaker is a caller

[4:24:31] with the last four digits 8700.

[4:24:45] Please begin.

[4:24:46] >> Sorry about that.

[4:24:50] Deputy City Clerk Joy Sonia.

[4:24:51] >> Yeah, I'm glad I'm coming.

[4:24:55] Excuse me.

[4:24:56] I was a strong Yes and then I

[4:25:00] listened and I listened

[4:25:01] carefully to all the speakers

[4:25:05] and wow, that was a lot of

[4:25:06] information in a lot of it

[4:25:09] seemed real on both sides.

[4:25:10] So Councilmember Rivera, I'm

[4:25:14] going to be a yes with an

[4:25:15] amendment in the amendment is

[4:25:19] that we get a little more

[4:25:23] clarity on three things

[4:25:28] stakeholders, more outreach to

[4:25:28] stakeholders and get more

[4:25:32] clarity on their losses and how

[4:25:33] fair that would be.

[4:25:38] And then polarizing language I

[4:25:38] agree with Paul Kruger and for

[4:25:43] some reason I don't feel

[4:25:44] comfortable with the word junk.

[4:25:47] It could be a personal bias in

[4:25:48] some way but is that being used

[4:25:52] in a professional legal way?

[4:25:53] That does conclude your take.

[4:25:53] Thank you.

[4:26:01] Kevin hang on a second.

[4:26:02] That's why I'm hanging on.

[4:26:02] But you guys earn it.

[4:26:05] No, we don't.

[4:26:06] >> We're going to take a brief

[4:26:06] recess until we reestablish

[4:26:09] quorum.

[4:26:19] Thank you.

[4:26:32] Henry I'm glad to hear from

[4:26:46] just one of them.

[4:26:52] Yes.

[4:26:52] Okay.

[4:26:56] And we're back.

[4:26:57] Come and continue on.

[4:26:57] Okay.

[4:27:01] Our next speaker is Hector.

[4:27:01] >> Please begin.

[4:27:02] All right.

[4:27:06] Thanks for taking my call.

[4:27:06] Hey, you guys should have these

[4:27:07] meetings at night when more

[4:27:11] guys can afford to come there

[4:27:12] and pass out a free trial.

[4:27:13] A day passes for

[4:27:16] the participants that actually

[4:27:16] come there.

[4:27:17] That'd be great because these

[4:27:20] guys are street level men.

[4:27:20] Regulate them Billionaire

[4:27:21] companies.

[4:27:25] They're trying to do.

[4:27:26] They're the ones charging all

[4:27:27] these fees and any fee they can

[4:27:27] think of.

[4:27:30] And you guys are charging fees

[4:27:33] also man just hired 18 more

[4:27:34] parking meter guys and given

[4:27:38] out tickets left and right.

[4:27:39] Plus you guys are the ultimate

[4:27:39] bait and switch.

[4:27:43] There's these guys The big guys

[4:27:44] are bait and switch and on

[4:27:49] these things the rest three

[4:27:49] grand but it really turns out

[4:27:50] to be 36 grand.

[4:27:53] Kind of like what you guys did

[4:27:54] on the track b You guys are

[4:27:55] the ultimate bait and switch

[4:27:58] switchers and I don't know if

[4:27:58] you guys even have these

[4:27:59] meetings man with a straight

[4:28:03] face but to regulate the big

[4:28:04] guys they're scamming and they

[4:28:06] don't care.

[4:28:07] >> The little guys are cool.

[4:28:10] Thank you Melissa Peterman

[4:28:16] Please begin.

[4:28:17] >> Hi, my name's Melissa

[4:28:17] Peterman and I'm with

[4:28:20] townspeople in affordable

[4:28:20] Housing nonprofit and we're in

[4:28:24] support of the ordinance.

[4:28:25] We always look at how we charge

[4:28:26] people and although not unusual

[4:28:30] to charge a late fee, we

[4:28:30] decided not to By and large our

[4:28:31] tenants pay their rent and when

[4:28:35] they don't it's because

[4:28:36] something bad happened which

[4:28:36] tells us that if our tenants

[4:28:40] have the money they pay and if

[4:28:40] they don't charging them extra

[4:28:41] doesn't help them come up with

[4:28:41] it.

[4:28:44] It just punishes them for

[4:28:44] having a rough month which

[4:28:45] doesn't feel right to us as

[4:28:49] others have said, it's not that

[4:28:50] landlords should never charge

[4:28:50] fees.

[4:28:54] The costs of housing are real.

[4:28:54] We're an affordable housing

[4:28:59] nonprofit not flush with cash

[4:28:59] and we operate without them If

[4:29:00] a fee is needed put it in

[4:29:04] the listing, put it in

[4:29:04] the lease.

[4:29:05] Let people make an informed

[4:29:05] decision before they sign

[4:29:08] anything.

[4:29:09] Finding a home in our community

[4:29:10] is a lot and the last thing

[4:29:13] someone needs is to finally

[4:29:14] land somewhere, do the math,

[4:29:14] get excited, move in and find

[4:29:15] out that number was never a

[4:29:19] real The ordinance says be up

[4:29:19] front and work.

[4:29:20] >> Thank you both and conclude

[4:29:21] your time.

[4:29:23] Our next speaker is Kim Arnold.

[4:29:39] Please Kim Arnold, please begin

[4:29:39] .

[4:29:44] Kim Arnold?

[4:29:44] Yes?

[4:29:45] Hi.

[4:29:45] Can you hear me?

[4:29:46] Yes, we can hear you.

[4:29:49] Thank you.

[4:29:49] >> I represent a small family

[4:29:50] owned management company.

[4:29:53] First off as a rental housing

[4:29:54] provider we absolutely agree

[4:29:57] with price transparency and

[4:29:58] we've already rolled it out

[4:29:59] across the board for all of our

[4:29:59] rental properties housing

[4:30:03] providers should be upfront

[4:30:04] with the total costs and fees

[4:30:04] for the rentals that they offer

[4:30:08] but some fees are necessary as

[4:30:08] long as they are disclosed.

[4:30:09] Were you aware that dog pet

[4:30:13] stations cost anywhere from 4

[4:30:14] to $600 each and need to be

[4:30:14] replaced every couple of years

[4:30:17] due to corrosion?

[4:30:18] Pet waste bags are not free but

[4:30:22] more importantly fraud is a

[4:30:23] real issue in our industry with

[4:30:27] websites out there that sell

[4:30:27] fake screening documents.

[4:30:28] Housing providers need to be

[4:30:29] able to pull their own

[4:30:32] screening reports from trusted

[4:30:33] providers to cut out fraudulent

[4:30:36] applications.

[4:30:37] Let's work together for common

[4:30:38] sense changes to this ordinance

[4:30:41] that can work for all parties.

[4:30:42] >> Thank you.

[4:30:42] Thank you.

[4:30:43] Our next speaker is Blair

[4:30:43] Beekman.

[4:30:47] Please begin.

[4:30:47] >> All right.

[4:30:48] Thank you.

[4:30:52] Blair Beekman The beginning of

[4:30:53] the presentation to make

[4:30:53] housing more affordable for San

[4:30:57] Diegans And third is promote

[4:30:57] fairness, equity and

[4:30:58] transparency regarding how

[4:31:01] landlords change fees.

[4:31:02] >> That order should be

[4:31:02] reversed.

[4:31:05] I think that's a starting point

[4:31:06] .

[4:31:07] I think this is an item that

[4:31:11] speaks to our our best selves

[4:31:12] and that tenants rights should

[4:31:16] be an issue that we are working

[4:31:16] towards and how we build our

[4:31:21] future and that it shouldn't be

[4:31:21] feared.

[4:31:22] We can work together toward

[4:31:22] those goals.

[4:31:26] So you know the issues for

[4:31:27] landlords can't they can't we

[4:31:29] work out something with

[4:31:30] the city that they can create

[4:31:31] some sort of funding pattern so

[4:31:35] they can dip into for

[4:31:36] operational costs and work out

[4:31:39] a system like that for really

[4:31:40] great measure That sounds like

[4:31:44] how how can operational costs

[4:31:45] be supported by the city for

[4:31:46] landlords and for landlords who

[4:31:46] don't want to use that system

[4:31:51] they can offer you can offer a

[4:31:51] good legislative package and so

[4:31:52] they have to return.

[4:31:52] >> Thank you.

[4:31:57] That does conclude your time.

[4:31:58] Next speaker is a caller with

[4:31:59] the last four digits 2538.

[4:32:11] Please begin.

[4:32:12] >> Caller with the last four

[4:32:12] digits 2538.

[4:32:14] Please begin.

[4:32:20] >> I cannot unmute for you.

[4:32:21] >> The only other thing I think

[4:32:26] is very Hello my name is

[4:32:26] Stedman.

[4:32:27] i am a researcher and policy

[4:32:29] advocate with the Center on

[4:32:30] Policy Initiatives.

[4:32:30] Sorry about the founding

[4:32:35] syndication I have to struggle

[4:32:36] to submit housing applications.

[4:32:37] I was looking for housing

[4:32:39] shelter That's both a financial

[4:32:39] burden on renters.

[4:32:40] We should be able to budget for

[4:32:44] living expenses without having

[4:32:44] to worry about unexpected fees

[4:32:45] holding us back financially.

[4:32:48] That's why I'm here in support

[4:32:49] of a proposed ordinance to

[4:32:49] address financial exploitation

[4:32:50] and the need for cost

[4:32:54] transparency something that no

[4:32:54] ethical landlord should oppose.

[4:32:55] I also ask that the ordinance

[4:32:59] includes necessary protections

[4:33:00] to ensure that landlords do not

[4:33:03] pass the cost of basic fees to

[4:33:04] people's cost of rent.

[4:33:04] What is being asked as a bare

[4:33:05] minimum landlord should not be

[4:33:08] able to squeeze more money out

[4:33:09] of working families with

[4:33:09] the rising cost of living in

[4:33:10] San Diego.

[4:33:13] City Council needs to take

[4:33:14] action to prevent added

[4:33:14] economic hardship.

[4:33:15] Moving this forward is a

[4:33:18] necessary step at your chair to

[4:33:19] support this ordinance and

[4:33:19] stand up for tenant protections

[4:33:22] and landlord accountability.

[4:33:22] >> Thank you.

[4:33:23] Thank you.

[4:33:24] Our next speaker is Thelma

[4:33:24] Navarro.

[4:33:35] Please begin.

[4:33:39] Okay.

[4:33:40] Looks like we lost Thelma.

[4:33:41] That does conclude a virtual

[4:33:41] comment.

[4:33:45] We do.

[4:33:46] We also have received speaker

[4:33:46] slips that would like to

[4:33:50] register a position but not

[4:33:50] speak.

[4:33:52] We did receive one slip to

[4:33:57] speak in favor by aj Estrada

[4:33:58] and the following individuals

[4:34:03] submitted slips in opposition.

[4:34:04] Jack and Hale.

[4:34:04] Doug Dunbar.

[4:34:08] Wendy Montgomery a rain Shaker.

[4:34:13] Annabel Cloutier Chanel Sotelo.

[4:34:14] Bertha.

[4:34:18] Alicia Pichardo.

[4:34:18] Alisha Mendez.

[4:34:22] Doris said Duff.

[4:34:23] Grant Beckwith.

[4:34:27] Rodrigo Herrero de Faria.

[4:34:32] And that does conclude public

[4:34:33] comment for item 330.

[4:34:33] All right.

[4:34:37] Thank you, Deputy Clerk.

[4:34:38] As I like to do on these big

[4:34:39] meetings, let's give a big

[4:34:40] round of applause to our deputy

[4:34:42] clerk and the entire city clerk

[4:34:42] staff for keeping us organized

[4:34:46] and on point.

[4:34:47] You guys always do a great work

[4:34:48] despite how many people show up

[4:34:51] to speak.

[4:34:52] >> This is an information item

[4:34:53] so no motions required and

[4:34:53] we'll turn it over to

[4:34:56] Councilmember questions and

[4:34:57] comments.

[4:34:57] And I'm going to start with

[4:34:58] the two council members that

[4:35:01] are bringing this item forward

[4:35:02] and we'll start with you

[4:35:03] Council member Ella Rivera.

[4:35:06] All right.

[4:35:06] Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.

[4:35:07] Thank you again to Jeffrey and

[4:35:11] Maya, to Hilda with the city

[4:35:12] attorney's office and all of

[4:35:15] the community folks who we

[4:35:16] worked with over the last

[4:35:20] several months In addition to

[4:35:25] Councilmember Foster's office

[4:35:25] and our colleagues at the Board

[4:35:26] of Supervisors to get to where

[4:35:29] we are today.

[4:35:30] As I mentioned before this

[4:35:33] conversation started last year

[4:35:34] at the committee to address

[4:35:38] the cost of living.

[4:35:39] And what we kept hearing from

[4:35:40] committee members about the way

[4:35:43] that ways that hidden fees and

[4:35:44] junk fees were impacting their

[4:35:48] ability to see a future in this

[4:35:49] city at the end of the day.

[4:35:49] That is what we are.

[4:35:53] We are fighting for is to make

[4:35:54] San Diego a place where

[4:35:55] everyone sees a real future for

[4:35:58] themselves where young people

[4:35:59] who are in college or just

[4:35:59] graduated can see themselves

[4:36:03] continuing to live here where

[4:36:03] young families actually feel

[4:36:04] like they have a chance to to

[4:36:04] make it.

[4:36:07] And we're seniors don't feel

[4:36:08] like they're consistently on

[4:36:08] the cusp of being priced out.

[4:36:12] And all of that is becoming

[4:36:13] more and more challenging for

[4:36:17] everyday people these days.

[4:36:21] And in addition to that,

[4:36:22] housing is a human right.

[4:36:26] And so with all of that in mind

[4:36:26] ,we think that reining in

[4:36:31] these excessive fees, these

[4:36:31] deceptive and sometimes

[4:36:32] completely hidden fees is

[4:36:36] essential for making San Diego

[4:36:37] a more affordable place for

[4:36:37] everyday people.

[4:36:41] We I want to also acknowledge a

[4:36:41] couple of things here.

[4:36:45] One is is the renters who spoke

[4:36:49] up that did take a lot of

[4:36:54] courage because it is not as if

[4:36:55] retaliation is a theoretical

[4:36:55] issue.

[4:36:59] It's a real issue.

[4:37:00] We heard from multiple people

[4:37:01] today about the ways that

[4:37:04] they've been retaliated against

[4:37:09] for simply asking what the law

[4:37:09] already requires.

[4:37:14] And while while there are

[4:37:18] remedies to that, it often

[4:37:19] comes at considerable cost and

[4:37:22] a real decision as to whether

[4:37:27] or not the willingness to speak

[4:37:28] your mind is worth all

[4:37:29] the discomfort that comes with

[4:37:30] having a landlord that's trying

[4:37:35] to push you out of your home.

[4:37:36] I want to acknowledge the good

[4:37:36] landlords who are here.

[4:37:37] The gentleman who spoke at

[4:37:38] the beginning of this

[4:37:40] conversation who seems like

[4:37:45] the most upright and honest

[4:37:45] business person that we could

[4:37:50] ask for if that is what every

[4:37:50] renter in San Diego is

[4:37:51] experiencing we wouldn't be

[4:37:55] having this conversation right

[4:37:55] now.

[4:37:56] Unfortunately that is not

[4:37:58] the way every landlord is

[4:38:03] treating their tenants.

[4:38:04] >> It was said today that

[4:38:05] everyone has the same goal.

[4:38:08] And I actually think that in

[4:38:08] this case that's actually not

[4:38:12] true.

[4:38:13] There are corporate landlords

[4:38:14] and others whose goal is to

[4:38:17] make as much money as they

[4:38:18] possibly can off every person

[4:38:22] in their homes no matter what

[4:38:23] what impact that has on those

[4:38:27] people.

[4:38:28] And then there's the rest of us

[4:38:29] who are just trying to get by

[4:38:31] and want to see their neighbors

[4:38:37] survive and thrive And that's

[4:38:37] who we're going who we're

[4:38:41] trying to fight for here.

[4:38:46] On the issue of fairness and

[4:38:47] transparency, I appreciate that

[4:38:51] There was multiple landlords

[4:38:52] who said they agree with with

[4:38:56] that And I think most are doing

[4:38:57] their best to be transparent.

[4:39:01] But here's the thing

[4:39:01] The honesty of an honest

[4:39:06] landlord doesn't erase or

[4:39:06] protect renters from the harm

[4:39:07] caused by dishonest and greedy

[4:39:10] landlords.

[4:39:16] And if a fee can be disclosed

[4:39:16] to banks or in financial models

[4:39:21] or loan agreements, there is no

[4:39:21] reason why it cannot be

[4:39:25] disclosed to renters.

[4:39:26] >> So when we say that fees are

[4:39:30] not secret because they're

[4:39:31] baked into the financial models

[4:39:32] no they're not secret from

[4:39:36] the banks and the lenders and

[4:39:36] the people who are profiting

[4:39:37] off the system.

[4:39:41] But they are to the people who

[4:39:45] are scratching in clean and

[4:39:46] fighting with other renters

[4:39:46] over the limited housing stock

[4:39:50] that we have.

[4:39:51] And just because something is

[4:39:55] baked in does not mean it's not

[4:39:55] harmful.

[4:39:56] In fact it could be very

[4:40:00] harmful.

[4:40:00] A 2021 needs assessment by

[4:40:01] serving seniors found that

[4:40:02] financial distress is a driver

[4:40:05] for older adults into

[4:40:05] homelessness.

[4:40:06] In an environment where 33% of

[4:40:07] the unsheltered population are

[4:40:10] individuals that are 55 and up,

[4:40:10] we can see why transparency is

[4:40:11] so vital for people who are

[4:40:14] living on fixed incomes.

[4:40:18] >> So with all of all of this

[4:40:23] in mind, the hope today is that

[4:40:24] after I've made my comments and

[4:40:25] you've seen the presentation

[4:40:25] and Councilmember Foster hears

[4:40:28] yours, we can get feedback

[4:40:29] Council PRESIDENT From

[4:40:32] the council from our colleagues

[4:40:33] so that when we bring a draft

[4:40:34] ordinance, when we bring an

[4:40:38] ordinance forward in the fall,

[4:40:39] it's one that everyone has had

[4:40:42] a chance to see to weigh in on

[4:40:43] and we can get to the work of

[4:40:47] making San Diego a place where

[4:40:48] renters have the rights that

[4:40:52] they should have the chance.

[4:40:53] Parents see that any consumer

[4:40:54] should have and they will

[4:40:54] actually believe that they can

[4:40:58] continue to live in the city

[4:40:59] that they love.

[4:40:59] >> Thank you, Council

[4:41:00] PRESIDENT.

[4:41:00] All right.

[4:41:00] Thank you.

[4:41:01] Council member Councilmember

[4:41:01] Rivera.

[4:41:02] >> Now I will go to Council

[4:41:06] member Foster.

[4:41:11] Yes, Thank you, Council

[4:41:16] PRESIDENT And thank you Council

[4:41:20] member Isla Rivera to you in

[4:41:21] your team.

[4:41:22] Also just want to say a big

[4:41:26] thank you to our county

[4:41:26] partners.

[4:41:27] We've had a lot of

[4:41:30] conversations to get to this

[4:41:35] point to where there was

[4:41:36] something to present.

[4:41:40] And I do want to be clear that

[4:41:41] this was intentional to have as

[4:41:45] an information an item because

[4:41:49] it was to introduce the item

[4:41:50] and to make sure that we were

[4:41:55] able to receive feedback to

[4:42:00] look at all sides of this.

[4:42:04] When this was presented at

[4:42:05] the originally discussed at

[4:42:10] Committee I to have concerns.

[4:42:14] A lot of times you hear in

[4:42:15] District four.

[4:42:16] One thing that really does

[4:42:20] strike me is the type of

[4:42:21] product that we tend to get

[4:42:25] presented as we were talking

[4:42:25] about housing.

[4:42:30] And so I wanted to make sure

[4:42:31] that I was at the table and

[4:42:35] able to work through not only

[4:42:40] public concern, whether you're

[4:42:45] the landlord or the tenant, but

[4:42:46] I just think this is a

[4:42:47] conversation that we need to

[4:42:51] have and that we must have.

[4:42:54] Also I do want to say and one

[4:42:55] thing that I do find very

[4:43:00] troubling is that for quite

[4:43:01] some time the city of San Diego

[4:43:06] has been spending about $100

[4:43:06] million on an annual basis in

[4:43:10] regards to our homelessness

[4:43:11] efforts.

[4:43:16] And to this day with that type

[4:43:16] of expenditure we are

[4:43:21] continuing to see more families

[4:43:22] ,more individuals entering

[4:43:26] homelessness than staying

[4:43:27] housed.

[4:43:32] And that's concerning.

[4:43:33] And as we talk about cost of

[4:43:37] living, I think we can all

[4:43:38] agree that cost of living when

[4:43:42] you ask a family, when you ask

[4:43:43] a typical resident cost of

[4:43:47] living is a major, major

[4:43:48] concern.

[4:43:48] And so these are conversations

[4:43:52] that are difficult

[4:43:53] conversations.

[4:43:53] These are conversations that I

[4:43:54] feel are important

[4:43:54] conversations that

[4:44:02] conversations we must have.

[4:44:06] And I have lived in district

[4:44:07] for four for the majority of my

[4:44:07] life.

[4:44:11] And there were just recently

[4:44:12] some new units that were

[4:44:13] brought online that were ready

[4:44:15] that are right around

[4:44:21] the corner from my house.

[4:44:22] And these are brand new units

[4:44:25] and they are two and three

[4:44:26] bedroom units but they are

[4:44:29] going for about $3,600 a month.

[4:44:35] And part of the fees that are

[4:44:35] included are pet fees, trash

[4:44:40] pickup, These parking for

[4:44:41] storage fees that are saying

[4:44:44] that, you know, rent can go as

[4:44:44] high as $3,900 a month.

[4:44:50] And so I understand and I can

[4:44:51] tell you when that I built

[4:44:54] units and I understand there is

[4:45:00] a cost to design construct and

[4:45:01] to design and construct

[4:45:06] the units.

[4:45:07] And I also understand that

[4:45:07] there's a cost in managing

[4:45:12] the properties.

[4:45:13] And I think one of the examples

[4:45:14] and I think one of the public

[4:45:18] speakers brought up is about

[4:45:19] pet areas and how that is

[4:45:19] handled.

[4:45:20] I personally worked on a

[4:45:25] project where there were

[4:45:26] specific provisions provided in

[4:45:31] the project for pet areas and

[4:45:31] those do require maintenance

[4:45:32] but those are amenities that I

[4:45:36] think communities want and

[4:45:37] deserve.

[4:45:37] And so I think there needs to

[4:45:42] be there does need to be some

[4:45:43] additional conversation.

[4:45:47] Also I did make a commitment

[4:45:48] that my daughter that I will go

[4:45:49] out and as we are here for this

[4:45:54] informational item but I will

[4:45:55] be meeting with stakeholders.

[4:45:59] I will be meeting with folks

[4:46:00] that are renters.

[4:46:01] And I will be meeting with

[4:46:06] industry because this is

[4:46:06] something that I think is a

[4:46:07] conversation that needs to take

[4:46:07] place.

[4:46:12] And I would like to think that

[4:46:13] as we look at the city of San

[4:46:18] Diego as a whole that we can

[4:46:18] all come to the table and do

[4:46:19] what's right.

[4:46:23] And so I say all that to say

[4:46:24] that I do appreciate all of

[4:46:25] the work that has gone into

[4:46:25] this to date.

[4:46:30] And I continue to look forward

[4:46:31] to the discussion as we move

[4:46:31] forward.

[4:46:35] Very interesting to hear from

[4:46:41] my colleagues as as I would

[4:46:42] like to hear their positions

[4:46:48] And as you know with the Brown

[4:46:49] Act it does allow us to to to

[4:46:50] have that type of conversation.

[4:46:54] So I'm eager to to hear my

[4:46:54] colleague's comments.

[4:46:55] And I'm also eager to continue

[4:47:00] to roll our sleeves up and to

[4:47:00] bring a product that I hope

[4:47:05] gets us to where we need to be

[4:47:06] so that as we talk about

[4:47:07] housing, as we talk about

[4:47:12] housing being a fundamental

[4:47:13] right which is a belief that I

[4:47:18] do sharing because I truly do

[4:47:19] feel every family, every

[4:47:23] person, every young person

[4:47:24] should have a place that they

[4:47:25] call home that is safe, that is

[4:47:30] well maintained and and based

[4:47:36] on certain calls that I receive

[4:47:37] on a regular basis.

[4:47:38] There is a lot of work to do

[4:47:43] and one thing that does make

[4:47:43] this a very difficult and

[4:47:44] challenging conversation and I

[4:47:48] think some of the public

[4:47:49] commenters touched upon this

[4:47:49] quite frequently are

[4:47:54] the various complexities and

[4:48:00] different types of of units

[4:48:01] that we have in place because

[4:48:06] we have everyone at different

[4:48:06] economic levels.

[4:48:07] Some folks like certain

[4:48:13] amenities and some don't.

[4:48:14] You know so I think all of that

[4:48:18] needs to be further looked at

[4:48:19] and discussed.

[4:48:20] And I look forward to to

[4:48:24] the conversations to come as we

[4:48:25] prepare to move this forward in

[4:48:25] the fall.

[4:48:30] So with that council PRESIDENT

[4:48:31] That will conclude my comments.

[4:48:32] And again thank you for

[4:48:32] everyone that came out.

[4:48:36] And thank you to my colleagues

[4:48:36] and thank you.

[4:48:37] All right.

[4:48:37] Thank you.

[4:48:38] COUNCILMAN Foster.

[4:48:39] We'll go next to council member

[4:48:42] Campbell.

[4:48:42] >> Thank you so much Council

[4:48:43] PRESIDENT And thank you to

[4:48:49] council Councilmember Foster

[4:48:49] for your comments as well as

[4:48:50] Councilmember Sheila Rivera.

[4:48:55] It's been really revealing to

[4:48:56] hear all the horrible things

[4:48:57] that so many people have been

[4:49:01] through and so many people have

[4:49:01] had advantage taken of them.

[4:49:02] I'm so sorry to hear about

[4:49:02] that.

[4:49:07] I really I really think that we

[4:49:07] need to to look at this

[4:49:12] sometimes from high up and

[4:49:13] realize that there are two big

[4:49:14] things causing what's going on

[4:49:14] here.

[4:49:15] First of all, there's not

[4:49:19] enough supply for the demand of

[4:49:19] rental housing.

[4:49:20] So that that's the number one

[4:49:20] problem.

[4:49:25] We need more supply so that we

[4:49:25] can meet the demand.

[4:49:26] Number two, there's a problem

[4:49:30] because the state legislature

[4:49:31] her favorite friend put in

[4:49:37] the 10% cap on rent raises just

[4:49:38] a couple of years back.

[4:49:38] And the reason they did this

[4:49:42] was it was going to be 5%

[4:49:42] allowed per year for rent

[4:49:42] raise.

[4:49:48] And then the other the other

[4:49:48] limit up to 10% had to do with

[4:49:49] the inflation rate.

[4:49:50] So for last year I believe

[4:49:53] the amount the state would have

[4:49:54] allowed would have been

[4:49:55] something like 8.3% of a raise

[4:50:00] in rent.

[4:50:01] And you know that can be a

[4:50:02] pretty high raise in rent for a

[4:50:02] lot of people.

[4:50:06] So that's that's tough in and

[4:50:06] of itself.

[4:50:07] However, costs have gone up

[4:50:11] gone up so dramatically that

[4:50:17] these these landlords MAY have

[4:50:18] put in fees as a way to get

[4:50:18] around having to take a loss

[4:50:23] because they needed they

[4:50:24] thought they needed some of

[4:50:25] them MAY just be greedy but

[4:50:26] they thought they needed more

[4:50:30] than cap of the 3% in order to

[4:50:35] not take a loss on the amount

[4:50:35] of rent they received.

[4:50:36] So they're in business.

[4:50:37] They can't take a loss or

[4:50:41] they'll go out of business.

[4:50:42] So it's a really it's a double

[4:50:43] edged sword.

[4:50:46] They've got two things against

[4:50:47] them supply and demand.

[4:50:52] Demand is high, supply is low

[4:50:53] so they can kind of look

[4:50:54] the other way around since more

[4:50:58] people want to rent from them.

[4:50:58] They have spaces to rent.

[4:50:59] And number two, the state has

[4:51:03] imposed a limit on them that

[4:51:04] does not necessarily represent

[4:51:09] a free market type of a

[4:51:10] situation for business people.

[4:51:16] So it's a really it's it's a

[4:51:16] tough situation going out from

[4:51:17] the side of each each party

[4:51:22] involved The landlord and

[4:51:22] the renter.

[4:51:23] It's tough.

[4:51:23] I'm particularly concerned that

[4:51:27] more regulations as some have

[4:51:28] said today will continue to

[4:51:28] disproportionately affect small

[4:51:33] mom and pop housing providers.

[4:51:34] They are still the vast

[4:51:39] majority of those in San Diego

[4:51:40] who provide rental units.

[4:51:40] And these suggested

[4:51:44] requirements will put an undue

[4:51:45] burden on their small

[4:51:45] businesses.

[4:51:46] i doubt that these rules would

[4:51:50] hurt corporate landlords who've

[4:51:51] been trying to increase their

[4:51:52] share of our market Here in San

[4:51:57] Diego corporate landlords have

[4:51:58] employees and bandwidth and

[4:51:58] they can meet requirements like

[4:52:03] this but small landlords cannot

[4:52:04] and MAY be forced out of

[4:52:09] business as many have left This

[4:52:09] business with the previous

[4:52:10] regulations that were put into

[4:52:15] effect to to help protect

[4:52:16] renters from evictions.

[4:52:21] And that's a shame because

[4:52:22] people do need to be prevented

[4:52:27] from unnecessary evictions.

[4:52:28] But the best way to ensure that

[4:52:28] people have and remain in

[4:52:32] housing is to build more of it.

[4:52:33] We need more housing.

[4:52:34] We need increasing supply so

[4:52:39] that renters can have an ample

[4:52:39] choice of where they should

[4:52:40] live and can choose Among these

[4:52:41] I used to be a landlord.

[4:52:44] I just had one condo that I

[4:52:49] rented out and this was 15

[4:52:50] years ago so it wasn't that

[4:52:50] long.

[4:52:51] It was more like ten years ago

[4:52:55] but it wasn't that long ago But

[4:52:56] it was long enough ago that

[4:52:56] these new fees are different

[4:52:59] than what we had back ten

[4:52:59] years.

[4:53:00] I would never think of charging

[4:53:01] an application fee.

[4:53:06] The fact that I would have to

[4:53:07] do a background check on who

[4:53:07] wanted to rent that was my

[4:53:12] problem.

[4:53:13] That was something I paid for

[4:53:13] as a landlord as part of my

[4:53:17] business cost That was included

[4:53:18] in the rent.

[4:53:18] That's how business is done.

[4:53:24] You put the cost the product

[4:53:24] into what you charge

[4:53:25] the consumer and you try to

[4:53:30] make ends meet.

[4:53:30] Well unfortunately with

[4:53:36] the lack of supply and with

[4:53:36] the 10% limit put on by

[4:53:41] the state or 8.3% last year,

[4:53:42] you run into problems because

[4:53:43] this is just not working.

[4:53:47] What would really solve it?

[4:53:48] We really need to get busy and

[4:53:49] build more housing, that's for

[4:53:49] sure.

[4:53:54] And the other thing is some

[4:53:55] people MAY have to go somewhere

[4:53:55] else.

[4:54:00] My own grandson had to he went

[4:54:01] around the country, worked from

[4:54:02] home So he and his wife went

[4:54:06] around the country looking at

[4:54:06] different cities to see where

[4:54:07] they could afford to buy a

[4:54:07] house.

[4:54:11] And they ended up in Richmond,

[4:54:11] Virginia far away from grandma

[4:54:17] which I didn't like but they

[4:54:18] could afford a house there for

[4:54:22] $600,000 That here would have

[4:54:22] been $1.6 million.

[4:54:23] And so I understand completely

[4:54:28] their desire to do that.

[4:54:29] So it's tough.

[4:54:29] It's tough.

[4:54:30] It's a bad situation.

[4:54:35] I can see all sides of it And I

[4:54:35] just feel terrible about people

[4:54:40] who don't understand when they

[4:54:41] move in that they're going to

[4:54:41] have these fees applied to them

[4:54:46] and I don't think that's fair

[4:54:46] either.

[4:54:47] This should be total

[4:54:52] transparency and the people who

[4:54:53] are renting out units should be

[4:54:53] able to charge what it takes

[4:54:54] for them to make ends meet.

[4:54:58] And so we've got this conundrum

[4:54:59] going on and it's difficult

[4:55:04] it's difficult to solve But I

[4:55:04] think solving it by putting on

[4:55:05] heavy restrictions and

[4:55:09] regulations makes it harder for

[4:55:10] the smaller landlords to be

[4:55:11] able to provide housing.

[4:55:15] I do see some good things in

[4:55:16] this that I would approve of

[4:55:17] and I see some others that I

[4:55:20] wouldn't But I want to take

[4:55:21] that offline.

[4:55:22] I'd be happy to meet with my

[4:55:22] colleagues who are in favor of

[4:55:27] this to discuss the details of

[4:55:28] which ones I would favor and

[4:55:29] which ones I don't think will

[4:55:32] work out right.

[4:55:33] But I just feel really bad that

[4:55:34] this has become such a problem.

[4:55:39] It's not fair to the renter and

[4:55:40] it's not fair to the landlord.

[4:55:40] So thank you very much.

[4:55:41] Thank you.

[4:55:46] Council PRESIDENT.

[4:55:46] All right.

[4:55:47] Thank you.

[4:55:48] Council member Campbell will go

[4:55:48] next to council member Camejo

[4:55:49] Thank you Council PRESIDENT And

[4:55:50] thank you to members of

[4:55:51] the public for their input

[4:55:52] today and the District nine

[4:55:53] staff for their work on this.

[4:55:53] I appreciate the opportunity to

[4:55:57] provide this feedback at this

[4:55:58] early period and consider how

[4:55:59] the audience audience works in

[4:55:59] practice.

[4:56:03] The policy proposal here has

[4:56:03] two different segments and I'll

[4:56:04] address them separately.

[4:56:05] There's the cost transparency

[4:56:05] concepts and the price

[4:56:09] regulation aspects.

[4:56:10] And so starting first with

[4:56:11] the cost transparency the idea

[4:56:15] that everyone should know what

[4:56:16] their housing will cost all in

[4:56:16] indisputable in every line item

[4:56:20] as well That's common sense.

[4:56:21] That information is critical to

[4:56:22] families in the city who are

[4:56:23] already stretching every dollar

[4:56:23] they have.

[4:56:27] They're calculating the cost of

[4:56:28] groceries and gas and childcare

[4:56:28] and insurance and utilities and

[4:56:29] health care down to the penny

[4:56:30] at this point and unexpected

[4:56:33] fees can absolutely destabilize

[4:56:34] a household budget.

[4:56:34] We've heard from people talk

[4:56:39] about that destabilization and

[4:56:40] I appreciate the intent of

[4:56:41] trying to address that problem

[4:56:41] and solving that problem.

[4:56:43] Housing should be affordable

[4:56:44] and no one should have to

[4:56:45] choose between those

[4:56:45] fundamentals in order to simply

[4:56:46] exist in San Diego And

[4:56:49] the transparency aspects

[4:56:50] protect that.

[4:56:51] The affordability concept of

[4:56:51] course is fundamentally a

[4:56:52] question of the cost of

[4:56:56] something and the ability for a

[4:56:57] person to obtain it.

[4:56:57] Which brings me to the second

[4:56:58] component which is the pricing

[4:57:02] regulations, the costs can be

[4:57:02] absorbed by a business or

[4:57:03] the financing used to obtain

[4:57:04] the property or some other

[4:57:08] component involved in a

[4:57:08] transaction And the government

[4:57:09] can incentivize the private

[4:57:10] sector to absorb that cost by

[4:57:13] making something that we have

[4:57:14] on our end less expensive or we

[4:57:15] can subsidize it by providing

[4:57:19] funding for it.

[4:57:19] But when we ban collection of a

[4:57:20] particular cost that cost does

[4:57:21] not simply go away.

[4:57:25] It moves, it ships, it still

[4:57:26] exists And in order to support

[4:57:30] a policy that's intended to

[4:57:31] create affordability, I would

[4:57:32] like to know exactly where that

[4:57:32] cost moves and how it impacts

[4:57:37] San Diego as including those

[4:57:38] who currently are covering

[4:57:38] the cost that talked about

[4:57:39] the burden they are facing

[4:57:42] paying for those today but also

[4:57:43] those who are covering

[4:57:43] different costs within

[4:57:48] the ecosystem.

[4:57:49] >> Yes, in a perfect world

[4:57:50] housing providers would simply

[4:57:50] absorb every new cost that's

[4:57:54] imposed on them.

[4:57:55] But that's not how the market

[4:57:56] functions.

[4:57:56] That's not how the homes are

[4:57:57] financed.

[4:57:57] And we have to acknowledge when

[4:58:01] proposing policies and tending

[4:58:01] to support renters that that's

[4:58:02] not how it works.

[4:58:03] And as much as this aims to

[4:58:06] target and prohibit unfair

[4:58:06] business practices, I have

[4:58:07] questions about the affordable

[4:58:08] issues related to affordable

[4:58:12] housing and homes that are

[4:58:12] naturally affordable too.

[4:58:13] And so I'm just going to jump

[4:58:14] into some questions at this

[4:58:18] point for staff on issues of

[4:58:19] addressing affordability,

[4:58:19] The staff report mentions that

[4:58:20] this is modeled off a few other

[4:58:24] jurisdictions was pointed out

[4:58:25] in the presentation as well.

[4:58:25] I'm curious to know the impacts

[4:58:30] and what we've seen in other

[4:58:30] jurisdictions, other cities

[4:58:31] specifically when it comes to

[4:58:32] prohibiting specific fees.

[4:58:35] What have we seen when it's

[4:58:36] when other cities are getting

[4:58:36] rid of fees if they've gotten

[4:58:41] rid of pet fees, pet rent and

[4:58:41] how that impacted base rents as

[4:58:47] a result?

[4:58:48] Thank you for the question,

[4:58:49] Councilmember Campo In my

[4:58:53] research one of the more

[4:58:54] prominent examples of

[4:58:54] the prohibition of pet fees is

[4:58:59] in Colorado research there I

[4:59:05] was provided by the aspca.

[4:59:05] The researchers in my

[4:59:06] presentation didn't go

[4:59:11] specifically to what you were

[4:59:12] alluding to where the cost MAY

[4:59:12] have moved.

[4:59:13] I think that's a bit difficult

[4:59:17] to to track But what I did go

[4:59:17] over is the availability of pet

[4:59:22] friendly units in which there

[4:59:23] was no attributable

[4:59:23] attributable change to

[4:59:29] the availability of those units

[4:59:34] Once the policy was enacted.

[4:59:35] >> Excellent.

[4:59:40] Well one where they enacted it

[4:59:41] was that statewide or was that

[4:59:41] municipalities?

[4:59:42] It was a state of Colorado.

[4:59:46] Okay.

[4:59:58] I would have to find it.

[5:00:03] So on my PowerPoint one of

[5:00:04] the slides says the number of

[5:00:05] available allowed between units

[5:00:08] on a permanent account between

[5:00:09] the summer of 2023 and fall

[5:00:10] 2024 and the Associated bill

[5:00:15] was Colorado House Bill 1068.

[5:00:16] It went into effect in that

[5:00:16] time frame.

[5:00:17] Excellent.

[5:00:17] Okay.

[5:00:20] Thank you for having me for

[5:00:21] having that available.

[5:00:22] So in the time since that's

[5:00:22] been implemented which just a

[5:00:27] few years is there any evidence

[5:00:27] to show that base rents didn't

[5:00:28] fluctuate as a result of

[5:00:33] the cap that was put in

[5:00:34] Colorado housing supply issues?

[5:00:34] What has been the market

[5:00:39] response in Colorado since that

[5:00:40] time that we can look back and

[5:00:41] say putting in those those caps

[5:00:46] and that was a deposit You said

[5:00:47] it was a deposit cap rate and

[5:00:52] rent cap Be the first sorry do

[5:00:52] we what is the economic data

[5:00:57] showing us about lack or growth

[5:00:57] in housing supply as a result

[5:01:03] base rents going up or down?

[5:01:04] What are we seeing there as a

[5:01:05] result of this policy

[5:01:05] specifically I can look into

[5:01:10] that to confirm with you I need

[5:01:11] to touch back base with aspca

[5:01:12] on the data that they were abl

[5:01:15] to provide for me but I don't

[5:01:16] have all the information on

[5:01:16] that.

[5:01:16] Okay.

[5:01:17] All right.

[5:01:17] Thank you.

[5:01:21] On the definition of particular

[5:01:22] fees I'm seeing in the draft

[5:01:23] that the fee does not include

[5:01:23] rent, the definition of fee is

[5:01:27] not include rent late fees

[5:01:28] which I seem to be a late fee

[5:01:33] related to paying rent after

[5:01:34] e due date security deposits

[5:01:35] and utility charges.

[5:01:39] Does the definition of fee

[5:01:40] include things like parking

[5:01:40] replacement fee related to

[5:01:46] broken items appliances

[5:01:46] fixtures in the apartment?

[5:01:47] >> What does that include That?

[5:01:51] Yes, as it were a fee would

[5:01:52] include any charge outside of

[5:01:58] the listed charges But for a

[5:02:03] definition of fee specifically

[5:02:04] just wanted to just clarify

[5:02:04] please later on in

[5:02:05] the ordinance when we do talk

[5:02:09] about the cap we specify

[5:02:09] recurring fees.

[5:02:10] >> Okay.

[5:02:15] Understood.

[5:02:16] I know that we received a

[5:02:16] question raised by Circulate

[5:02:21] San Diego today about current

[5:02:21] law requiring parking fees to

[5:02:22] be unbundled from rent.

[5:02:23] Can City Attorney's office

[5:02:26] clarify if if the fee

[5:02:27] definition as proposed

[5:02:28] conflicts with that state

[5:02:33] regulation?

[5:02:33] >> Good afternoon Hilda Mendoza

[5:02:34] from the City Attorney's office

[5:02:38] that there is state law

[5:02:39] regarding unbundled parking

[5:02:39] that does not apply to the city

[5:02:40] of San Diego.

[5:02:44] However there are municipal

[5:02:44] code provisions that address

[5:02:49] unbundled parking and currently

[5:02:54] as written it does include all

[5:02:55] parking fees If there is a

[5:02:55] desire to exclude that

[5:03:01] unbundled parking that would be

[5:03:02] something that could be added

[5:03:02] to the ordinance.

[5:03:03] Okay.

[5:03:03] Quick question.

[5:03:03] Thank you.

[5:03:06] You said you said there's a

[5:03:07] state law but it doesn't apply

[5:03:07] to San Diego.

[5:03:11] It is by it specifically states

[5:03:11] what counties and jurisdictions

[5:03:12] it applies to and does not

[5:03:17] include the county of San Diego

[5:03:17] .

[5:03:18] >> That's strange.

[5:03:18] Okay.

[5:03:22] Thank you for those answers and

[5:03:23] I appreciate the work that went

[5:03:23] into this.

[5:03:23] Absolutely.

[5:03:24] I do have concerns that

[5:03:28] the price regulations in

[5:03:29] the ordinance could backfire.

[5:03:29] I'm worried that if we

[5:03:33] institute caps in our crystal

[5:03:34] clear on what constitute a fee

[5:03:35] and how they operate

[5:03:39] functionally, how that impacts

[5:03:40] the entire ecosystem,

[5:03:40] the renters who are paying for

[5:03:41] it right now and the renters

[5:03:43] who are not paying for it right

[5:03:44] now.

[5:03:45] What I don't want to see us do

[5:03:45] is create a scenario where

[5:03:50] rents rise to compensate for

[5:03:50] those caps which would hurt

[5:03:51] everyone.

[5:03:51] I mean so it's one of those

[5:03:55] issues where the details really

[5:03:56] matter And if we allow for that

[5:03:57] to happen the problem doesn't

[5:03:57] get solved.

[5:04:00] It's simply change the line

[5:04:01] item that is on an invoice

[5:04:02] while the cost could go up for

[5:04:02] everyone.

[5:04:06] I do want to thank one member

[5:04:07] of the public specifically who

[5:04:08] did show up here to talk in

[5:04:11] support of of the proposal That

[5:04:12] younger gentleman is not in

[5:04:13] the room right now.

[5:04:13] He left a while ago.

[5:04:14] He said that the most

[5:04:17] vulnerable communities that are

[5:04:17] being taken advantage of right

[5:04:18] now need to be educated about

[5:04:19] their rights and given

[5:04:22] the resources to defend

[5:04:22] themselves.

[5:04:23] And he's absolutely right about

[5:04:23] that.

[5:04:24] Policies can be good but

[5:04:27] without a system to inform

[5:04:27] people of their rights it won't

[5:04:28] have nearly the impact that's

[5:04:28] needed.

[5:04:33] Some problems aren't solved

[5:04:33] with a new law.

[5:04:34] They're solved with educating

[5:04:34] people to stand up for

[5:04:38] themselves and their neighbors

[5:04:38] and giving them the tools to

[5:04:39] defend their rights which is a

[5:04:40] more fundamental way to prevent

[5:04:44] exploitation and gouging.

[5:04:44] No one wants exploitation and

[5:04:45] price gouging and I think that

[5:04:46] the transparency and components

[5:04:49] do a lot of good work to

[5:04:50] accomplish that so that renters

[5:04:51] can see what they're going to

[5:04:54] be charged exactly and be able

[5:04:55] to to stand up if something is

[5:04:59] unfair to be able to question

[5:05:00] why something is the way it is

[5:05:00] And the public needs to

[5:05:04] understand also why the price

[5:05:05] regulations are going to

[5:05:05] achieve what they're intended

[5:05:09] to achieve which at this point

[5:05:10] is still unclear And I know

[5:05:10] we're going to have more debate

[5:05:11] about it.

[5:05:13] The public needs to understand

[5:05:14] why the proposed 5% caps are

[5:05:14] appropriate, how particular

[5:05:15] cost recovery bands are

[5:05:18] supposed to work without

[5:05:19] driving up prices for everyone

[5:05:20] And fundamentally where that

[5:05:24] math is grounded in and how it

[5:05:24] works.

[5:05:24] So thank you for putting

[5:05:29] the proposal today and I'll

[5:05:30] have more questions in

[5:05:30] the future.

[5:05:31] Thank you.

[5:05:31] Council PRESIDENT All right.

[5:05:32] Thank you Councilmember Camp

[5:05:32] here.

[5:05:33] We'll go next to Council member

[5:05:33] Whitburn.

[5:05:34] Thank you.

[5:05:35] Council PRESIDENT Thank you MR.

[5:05:38] Wynn for presenting this item.

[5:05:39] A follow up question about

[5:05:39] the piece of this regarding

[5:05:42] caps that would cap fees at 5%

[5:05:43] of the monthly rent and what

[5:05:47] fees would be included within

[5:05:48] that cap.

[5:05:48] So am I understanding that at

[5:05:52] this point parking fees would

[5:05:57] be included within the cap?

[5:05:57] That's correct.

[5:05:58] So the way that we crafted that

[5:06:02] portion of the ordinance was to

[5:06:02] specifically address repeated

[5:06:07] or recurring fees.

[5:06:07] So anything that is associated

[5:06:08] with one time maintenance such

[5:06:12] as a repair would not be

[5:06:13] captured in the 5% cap but

[5:06:14] parking would be okay.

[5:06:14] Thank you.

[5:06:17] And then what about utilities?

[5:06:21] Would you So like if a landlord

[5:06:22] bills utilities or you know

[5:06:22] pays the utilities for

[5:06:26] the whole building that bills

[5:06:27] tenants individually are those

[5:06:32] fees is capped within the 5% or

[5:06:33] not?

[5:06:36] >> No Councilmember we

[5:06:37] specifically defined our fees

[5:06:38] to exclude utility charges

[5:06:38] okay.

[5:06:42] Because we have an existing

[5:06:43] utility fee or utility

[5:06:43] ordinance.

[5:06:46] Thank you.

[5:06:46] That's helpful.

[5:06:47] I really appreciate

[5:06:47] the continued attention to

[5:06:52] the high cost of living and

[5:06:53] want to recognize the work that

[5:06:56] council members Ella Rivera and

[5:06:56] Foster and their staffs have

[5:06:57] put into this.

[5:07:00] And thank you to you for

[5:07:01] bringing this to the City

[5:07:02] Council to get some additional

[5:07:02] feedback.

[5:07:05] The biggest part of the cost of

[5:07:06] living is the cost of housing

[5:07:09] and it is important to examine

[5:07:10] ways to make Sandiego more

[5:07:11] affordable for people who are

[5:07:11] struggling.

[5:07:15] I like to focus on

[5:07:15] transparency.

[5:07:20] Renters do have a right to know

[5:07:20] the fees upfront.

[5:07:21] There should be no unexpected

[5:07:21] fees that prospective renters

[5:07:25] discover late in the process.

[5:07:26] I think requiring

[5:07:26] the itemization of fees on

[5:07:29] website listings makes great

[5:07:30] sense As far as broader

[5:07:35] advertising goes, I would

[5:07:35] support making that apply to

[5:07:36] advertising where there is

[5:07:39] enough space to do that I could

[5:07:40] envision difficulties listing

[5:07:41] fees on a social media ad for

[5:07:45] example so I would take that

[5:07:45] into consideration.

[5:07:49] The most important thing that

[5:07:50] the City Council could do to

[5:07:54] make housing more affordable is

[5:07:55] to make rents more affordable.

[5:07:58] And how could we do that?

[5:07:59] We could make rents more

[5:08:00] affordable by incentivizing

[5:08:03] the construction of more

[5:08:04] housing.

[5:08:04] When you build more housing,

[5:08:08] when you increase the supply

[5:08:09] there is more competition to

[5:08:10] attract tenants And that is

[5:08:10] what we have been seeing in

[5:08:14] the last few years.

[5:08:14] We have seen significantly more

[5:08:15] home construction in the last

[5:08:18] few years, particularly

[5:08:19] apartment construction.

[5:08:20] And as more and more apartments

[5:08:24] have come online we have seen

[5:08:24] more vacancies And as

[5:08:25] competition for tenants heats

[5:08:28] up, rents have been stabilizing

[5:08:29] and in some cases declining a

[5:08:33] bit.

[5:08:34] Kpbs wrote a story about this

[5:08:36] on MARCH 27th of this year.

[5:08:37] Three months ago it was

[5:08:38] headlined San Diego Rents

[5:08:41] Declined more than 19 of

[5:08:42] the nation's top 20 markets

[5:08:46] following a surge in supply.

[5:08:46] I want San Diego to keep moving

[5:08:47] in that direction.

[5:08:51] I want rents to become more and

[5:08:51] more affordable.

[5:08:52] We should keep building more

[5:08:52] housing.

[5:08:56] I want any additional fees to

[5:08:56] be fully transparent and be

[5:09:00] fully transparent before

[5:09:01] somebody pays hard earned

[5:09:02] dollars just to apply for an

[5:09:05] apartment.

[5:09:06] Cut me in for that.

[5:09:07] But what I don't want to see is

[5:09:10] fees that are currently spelled

[5:09:11] out transparently just getting

[5:09:12] baked into the rent causing

[5:09:15] rents to go up.

[5:09:16] If fees get baked into the rent

[5:09:20] there are three consequences to

[5:09:20] that that I would really hate

[5:09:21] to see.

[5:09:24] First if fees get baked into

[5:09:25] the rent the rent goes up.

[5:09:30] The rent is too high already.

[5:09:30] It needs to go down not up.

[5:09:34] Second, if fees get baked into

[5:09:35] the rent it's actually less

[5:09:35] transparent.

[5:09:39] You're paying higher rent and

[5:09:40] you're not seeing the fees that

[5:09:40] are baked into that.

[5:09:44] And third, if he's get baked

[5:09:48] into the rent then everybody is

[5:09:48] paying for that service

[5:09:49] regardless of whether they use

[5:09:52] that service.

[5:09:53] For example, supposing your

[5:10:01] apartment rent is $2,500, about

[5:10:02] 5% of your rent is $125.

[5:10:06] But parking in a downtown

[5:10:07] apartment building can easily

[5:10:08] cost $200 a month.

[5:10:11] Trust me, I know I worry that

[5:10:15] those parking fees will cease

[5:10:16] to be charged separately.

[5:10:16] They'll get baked into

[5:10:17] the rent.

[5:10:17] Rents will go up.

[5:10:21] It'll say, you know, rent is

[5:10:22] whatever parking included that

[5:10:23] will just get baked into

[5:10:26] the rent that way And suddenly

[5:10:26] you will have a situation in

[5:10:30] which people who don't own a

[5:10:31] car are paying higher rents

[5:10:35] that effectively subsidized

[5:10:36] the rents of people who do own

[5:10:36] cars.

[5:10:37] That would be a significant

[5:10:40] unintended consequence of this

[5:10:41] and one that isn't very climate

[5:10:42] friendly and I don't think

[5:10:45] anybody is looking to do.

[5:10:46] But I could totally see that

[5:10:50] happening if parking is

[5:10:51] included in that 5% cap.

[5:10:55] So I would agree that we should

[5:10:55] ensure that fees are

[5:10:56] transparent and are transparent

[5:11:00] right upfront and as long as

[5:11:00] fees are transparent upfront I

[5:11:04] would be cautious about

[5:11:05] creating a situation where fees

[5:11:05] are supposedly eliminated.

[5:11:09] But in fact are just baked into

[5:11:10] the rent that's less

[5:11:10] transparent.

[5:11:14] It raises rents and it causes

[5:11:15] renters who don't use a service

[5:11:15] to subsidize those who do.

[5:11:19] So in summary I support

[5:11:20] the elements of this proposal

[5:11:20] that increase transparency.

[5:11:24] I urge caution about doing

[5:11:25] anything that would result in

[5:11:25] higher rents.

[5:11:28] Rents are declining right now.

[5:11:29] That is far and away the best

[5:11:29] way to make housing more

[5:11:30] affordable.

[5:11:33] Let's keep doing that and keep

[5:11:34] building more homes.

[5:11:34] Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.

[5:11:35] All right.

[5:11:35] Thank you.

[5:11:38] Council member Whitburn Not see

[5:11:39] anybody else in the light.

[5:11:44] I have a few comments of my

[5:11:44] own.

[5:11:45] So first thank you Maya and

[5:11:48] Jeremy for the work.

[5:11:49] And I want to thank

[5:11:50] Councilmember Eli Rivera and

[5:11:53] Councilmember Foster for

[5:11:54] bringing this forward.

[5:11:54] It sounds like there's a lot of

[5:11:55] broad based support on

[5:11:58] the council and I think it was

[5:11:59] very productive as

[5:12:03] Councilmember Foster introduced

[5:12:03] to get input coming out of

[5:12:08] the cost of living committee.

[5:12:09] I want to thank everyone who

[5:12:10] spoke today contributing your

[5:12:12] perspectives.

[5:12:13] There's a lot of positive

[5:12:14] recommendations in this draft

[5:12:14] proposal and some areas that

[5:12:18] need refining as we've heard

[5:12:18] and this is that information

[5:12:22] item are still opportunity to

[5:12:23] examine those changes and build

[5:12:23] a bill to build a broader

[5:12:27] coalition.

[5:12:28] Two areas I want to focus on

[5:12:29] speak to ensuring code changes

[5:12:29] can be operationalized and

[5:12:32] enforced and making sure we're

[5:12:33] not creating any new loopholes

[5:12:34] where tenants could be at risk

[5:12:37] for unintentional exploitation

[5:12:38] and or trap well-meaning

[5:12:38] landlords starting with

[5:12:42] the rental applications

[5:12:42] industry.

[5:12:43] Members mentioned the potential

[5:12:44] for fraudulent or I develop

[5:12:47] background checks.

[5:12:47] Prevent this we could explore a

[5:12:48] central portal for rental

[5:12:51] applications could be done

[5:12:52] through a single fee based

[5:12:52] application and cost

[5:12:53] recoverable from a staffing

[5:12:53] perspective.

[5:12:57] It would reduce costs for

[5:12:57] tenants as well as protect

[5:12:58] landlords.

[5:13:01] I also see that itemizing all

[5:13:02] fees on an advertisement can be

[5:13:06] cumbersome but as we've seen in

[5:13:07] other platforms Zillow,

[5:13:07] Ticketmaster and Airbnb

[5:13:11] customers want the all in cost

[5:13:12] upfront and from there I can

[5:13:13] look at the breakdown of cost

[5:13:15] and make an informed choice

[5:13:16] that they can rely on.

[5:13:17] As we've heard too many people

[5:13:21] are on the very vulnerable

[5:13:21] edges and an unexpected fee

[5:13:25] could push them over the edge.

[5:13:26] And for those that are not on

[5:13:27] the other side of the digital

[5:13:30] divide, I'm sure there's ways

[5:13:31] to be able to achieve those

[5:13:31] same goals.

[5:13:35] Charges like this that will not

[5:13:36] dilute the ultimate goal of

[5:13:36] burdening burdening renters.

[5:13:40] I know my own staff and their

[5:13:40] peers face these challenges on

[5:13:41] the rental market and

[5:13:41] especially a time when

[5:13:44] affordability and careful

[5:13:45] spending are at the top of

[5:13:46] everyone's mind.

[5:13:48] Regarding unintended

[5:13:49] consequences I too am concerned

[5:13:50] with the possible exploitation

[5:13:53] of a cap on total fees and I

[5:13:54] also do not want to see that

[5:13:59] rental landlords are raising

[5:13:59] base rents at higher rates in

[5:14:00] order to account for costs that

[5:14:03] would have been covered by fees

[5:14:03] .

[5:14:04] And this would be for services

[5:14:05] that tenants MAY want and as

[5:14:08] well are willing to pay for it.

[5:14:09] And if the additional cost hits

[5:14:10] that cap the fees might be

[5:14:13] added into base rent or even

[5:14:14] more concerning such services

[5:14:15] MAY no longer be available to a

[5:14:18] tenant.

[5:14:19] I do not think there's a lot of

[5:14:20] change to be put in place in

[5:14:23] this ordinance and therefore

[5:14:23] would like to see these other

[5:14:24] issues addressed when it comes

[5:14:28] back to council as a final

[5:14:28] vote.

[5:14:29] And Councilmember Ella Rivera

[5:14:32] kind of made reference.

[5:14:33] I too am concerned by

[5:14:34] statements that new projects

[5:14:34] pencil by bolstering their

[5:14:38] performance not just on their

[5:14:38] rents or expected rent

[5:14:39] increases but on these fees.

[5:14:42] This is not financially

[5:14:43] prudent, creates perverse

[5:14:47] incentive and is not a defense

[5:14:47] against this ordinance.

[5:14:48] And as stated if we build more

[5:14:52] housing rents MAY stabilize,

[5:14:53] rents MAY even come down and

[5:14:53] landlords MAY be more defensive

[5:14:57] and more protective of these

[5:14:57] fees to counterbalance

[5:15:01] reduction in the overall rental

[5:15:02] marketplace.

[5:15:02] These are some of the tough

[5:15:07] conversations lie for us to

[5:15:07] sift through and find that

[5:15:11] right balance.

[5:15:12] There were good arguments

[5:15:13] raised that might call for

[5:15:13] additional exemptions.

[5:15:16] The military family that is not

[5:15:17] a landlord but just hanging on

[5:15:18] to their family home as they

[5:15:22] get reassigned in other areas.

[5:15:22] The mom and pops that have

[5:15:23] legitimate concerns and with

[5:15:26] the extra paperwork and I hope

[5:15:27] there can be outreach and I

[5:15:27] think I heard it from both

[5:15:30] council members with the goal

[5:15:31] the building a bigger coalition

[5:15:31] and support before this

[5:15:35] ordinance returns.

[5:15:36] I wish government could be more

[5:15:37] surgical so that we could

[5:15:38] accommodate most sides of this

[5:15:38] issue.

[5:15:40] We MAY not get there but it

[5:15:41] should not be for lack of

[5:15:41] trying.

[5:15:44] This is important.

[5:15:45] Let's be very clear This is

[5:15:46] important.

[5:15:46] But let's get this right.

[5:15:49] Thank you again Councilmember

[5:15:50] delivering Council member

[5:15:51] Foster your entire team for

[5:15:54] the work on that.

[5:15:55] And that will end my comments.

[5:15:56] And with that we will return to

[5:15:59] Councilmember Eli Rivera.

[5:16:00] Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.

[5:16:00] I just want to thank my

[5:16:01] colleagues for the feedback.

[5:16:04] It's really, really helpful to

[5:16:04] get that today.

[5:16:05] What I've heard is a general

[5:16:08] consensus around

[5:16:09] the transparency components and

[5:16:09] an agreement that people should

[5:16:14] know what they're going to be

[5:16:14] asked to pay and they should

[5:16:15] know that at the beginning of

[5:16:18] their search and before they

[5:16:19] sign a lease not after.

[5:16:23] And it shouldn't be a moving

[5:16:23] target during their their

[5:16:27] tenure in their homes.

[5:16:28] And then the important

[5:16:29] questions that are being asked

[5:16:32] about ensuring that we're we're

[5:16:32] not having an unintended

[5:16:37] consequence of raising folks

[5:16:37] rents who aren't benefiting

[5:16:41] from the services that are are

[5:16:42] being that they could be

[5:16:46] charged a fee for.

[5:16:47] I did want to address give my a

[5:16:51] chance to address a little bit

[5:16:52] of that because I think current

[5:16:55] tenants have a have protections

[5:16:56] on that front although there's

[5:16:57] still some questions to be

[5:16:58] asked So I'll hand it over to

[5:17:00] my right.

[5:17:01] So currently ab 1482 does

[5:17:05] provide that rent cap that's in

[5:17:06] place and allows for an annual

[5:17:10] increase on a tenant's rent.

[5:17:13] Currently it's allowed to go up

[5:17:14] 8.8% and beginning on AUGUST

[5:17:18] 1st of 2026 the allowable

[5:17:18] increase is 8.2%.

[5:17:22] >> Thanks Matt.

[5:17:23] So I think the concern about

[5:17:27] future rents baking in

[5:17:28] everything regardless of

[5:17:29] whether or not someone would be

[5:17:33] using a service or an amenity

[5:17:37] is a is certainly something

[5:17:38] that we want to be thoughtful

[5:17:38] about.

[5:17:39] At the same time we do know

[5:17:42] that there are protections for

[5:17:43] current tenants.

[5:17:43] And what we've seen is that

[5:17:47] the fees are actually being

[5:17:47] used as the workaround to those

[5:17:48] protections.

[5:17:51] And experience that we're

[5:17:52] hearing from renters is a rent

[5:17:57] increase up to the maximum

[5:17:57] allowable under law and new

[5:18:01] fees being pulled out of rent

[5:18:02] to to exceed what that

[5:18:05] allowable rent increase would

[5:18:06] would be.

[5:18:06] And that is what what's

[5:18:07] prompting a lot of a lot of

[5:18:10] this action.

[5:18:11] And sometimes those increases

[5:18:12] can be substantial.

[5:18:15] And often they are often

[5:18:20] coupled with is a choice to

[5:18:21] either enter into a another

[5:18:21] year lease with these new fees

[5:18:25] added on or a month to month

[5:18:30] agreement with a special fee

[5:18:31] for being in a month to month

[5:18:31] lease.

[5:18:35] And so at that point there is

[5:18:35] substantial leverage being

[5:18:39] being wielded against renters.

[5:18:40] They've experienced the full

[5:18:44] rent increase.

[5:18:45] They're being charged in a new

[5:18:45] way for things that they'd

[5:18:49] already been paying for in

[5:18:50] their rent.

[5:18:50] And they're being told that if

[5:18:51] they don't accept those

[5:18:54] conditions for a full year

[5:18:55] they'll be charged even more

[5:19:00] for wanting the flexibility of

[5:19:00] the month to month structure.

[5:19:04] So certainly all the questions

[5:19:05] being raised are really

[5:19:08] important and we will dig into

[5:19:09] those.

[5:19:09] I just wanted to give some

[5:19:10] additional context as to why

[5:19:13] this is is so important to us

[5:19:14] and the way that we're seeing

[5:19:18] these these fees utilized for

[5:19:22] renters.

[5:19:22] And then just just one last

[5:19:27] last note.

[5:19:28] We've got to create more

[5:19:31] housing.

[5:19:32] There's no doubt about that.

[5:19:33] And I think many of

[5:19:36] the advocates actually for this

[5:19:36] that we heard from today have

[5:19:37] been strong proponents of

[5:19:41] building more housing.

[5:19:42] And what I'm wrestling with is

[5:19:45] is kind of untangling

[5:19:46] the concerns about this

[5:19:51] particular policy or component

[5:19:52] of this policy being the thing

[5:19:56] that leads to less production.

[5:19:57] When we've heard the same thing

[5:19:57] time and time again.

[5:20:00] The Tenant Protection ordinance

[5:20:01] of a few years ago we were told

[5:20:02] was going to stunt development

[5:20:05] And we've seen how much housing

[5:20:06] has been built since that time.

[5:20:10] That isn't to say that there

[5:20:10] couldn't potentially be a straw

[5:20:11] that breaks the camel's back.

[5:20:14] But there is a certain

[5:20:15] component of of hearing

[5:20:19] the same thing over and over

[5:20:24] again tomorrow because of

[5:20:25] the actions of this council.

[5:20:26] Thousands of workers are going

[5:20:26] to get a pay raise from

[5:20:29] the hospitality industry.

[5:20:30] And I think we should be proud

[5:20:31] of that.

[5:20:35] And we should want to keep them

[5:20:35] to keep as many of those

[5:20:36] dollars in their pockets as

[5:20:36] possible.

[5:20:39] And you know, one of the ways

[5:20:40] that we do that I think is is

[5:20:40] by protecting renters.

[5:20:44] And then final final thing here

[5:20:45] is I want to make sure we give

[5:20:48] my a shout out.

[5:20:49] This is her last presentation

[5:20:53] with us on staff as she's going

[5:20:54] to law school.

[5:20:54] And she's done an incredible

[5:20:58] job with us working very

[5:20:59] closely with Jeffrey on this

[5:20:59] and did not want to MISS

[5:21:03] The opportunity to embarrass

[5:21:05] her and make her blush in this

[5:21:10] on this item.

[5:21:11] Uh, sorry Not sorry, Maya.

[5:21:15] With that I'll hand it back to

[5:21:16] you.

[5:21:16] >> Council PRESIDENT.

[5:21:17] All right.

[5:21:17] That was well worth it.

[5:21:18] Councilmember.

[5:21:23] So okay.

[5:21:24] I don't see anybody else in

[5:21:28] the light again.

[5:21:28] This was an information item.

[5:21:31] No motion is required and so we

[5:21:36] will close item 330.

[5:21:36] Okay.

[5:21:37] We have one more item for

[5:21:38] the day.

[5:21:42] Clerk please introduce item

[5:21:46] s505 items 5a5 is an ordinance

[5:21:46] amending the enforcement

[5:21:47] authority under the city of San

[5:21:50] Diego's living wage Prevailing

[5:21:51] wage and minimum wage

[5:21:51] ordinances.

[5:21:51] All right.

[5:21:56] Thank you Deputy Clerk.

[5:21:57] At the risk of stealing their

[5:21:59] thunder, this is an you could

[5:22:00] argue is an implementation of

[5:22:05] an action we took during budget

[5:22:06] talking about moving compliance

[5:22:10] into the city attorney's office

[5:22:10] And this will create

[5:22:13] enforcement authority by

[5:22:18] the city attorney's office.

[5:22:19] >> So now that you're settled

[5:22:19] in, introduce yourselves for

[5:22:24] the record and let us know how

[5:22:24] much time you need.

[5:22:25] Assistant City Attorney Jim

[5:22:27] McNeil With me is Deputy City

[5:22:28] Attorney Elena Min.

[5:22:37] Two minutes I guess.

[5:22:37] Good evening now Council

[5:22:38] PRESIDENT, council president

[5:22:42] Pro tem and Council members

[5:22:43] The Office of City Attorney is

[5:22:43] requesting City Council adopt

[5:22:46] this ordinance amending several

[5:22:47] municipal code ordinances

[5:22:47] affecting wages including

[5:22:51] the Living Wage Ordinance, air

[5:22:52] traffic control worker minimum

[5:22:53] wage ordinance, the earned sick

[5:22:53] leave and minimum wage

[5:22:56] ordinance, the Hospitality

[5:22:57] minimum Wage Ordinance and

[5:22:58] the City of San Diego

[5:23:01] Compliance with state

[5:23:01] Prevailing wage ordinance to

[5:23:02] include the Office of the City

[5:23:03] Attorney as an additional

[5:23:07] enforcement authority as part

[5:23:07] of adopting the fiscal year

[5:23:11] 2027 budget the Council

[5:23:12] included moving the Office of

[5:23:13] Labor Standards and Enforcement

[5:23:17] or lsc to the Office of

[5:23:17] the City Attorney as a means of

[5:23:21] reducing the oil lessees impact

[5:23:21] on the general fund through

[5:23:22] the use of the city Attorney

[5:23:25] grant and penalty funds While

[5:23:26] the Office of the City Attorney

[5:23:26] can file litigation for

[5:23:30] violations referred to it by

[5:23:31] the llc, the current wage

[5:23:32] ordinances limit their

[5:23:35] administrative enforcement to

[5:23:36] the mayor accordingly

[5:23:40] transferring of the office

[5:23:41] the lsc to the office of

[5:23:42] the City Attorney while leaving

[5:23:45] intact its administrative

[5:23:45] enforcement authority requires

[5:23:46] amending those various wage

[5:23:49] ordinances to allow such

[5:23:50] enforcement through the Office

[5:23:51] of the City Attorney.

[5:23:51] That's precisely and only what

[5:23:55] this ordinance with its

[5:23:55] proposed amendments will do.

[5:23:56] The amendments are limited to

[5:24:00] providing for the office of

[5:24:00] the city attorney to have

[5:24:01] the same authority to

[5:24:01] administratively enforce those

[5:24:04] wage ordinances as the mayor.

[5:24:05] We therefore ask that Council

[5:24:06] adopt this ordinance to amend

[5:24:09] the identified wage ordinances

[5:24:10] to include the Office of

[5:24:10] the City Attorney as an

[5:24:11] additional enforcement

[5:24:14] authority.

[5:24:14] We're available to answer any

[5:24:15] of your questions.

[5:24:15] All right.

[5:24:16] Thank you for the presentation

[5:24:18] and thank you for moving

[5:24:19] quickly on this with

[5:24:20] the adoption of the budget.

[5:24:24] With that Deputy clerk, please

[5:24:24] proceed with public comments.

[5:24:28] But this item received one

[5:24:28] comment in opposition via our e

[5:24:32] comment form which has been

[5:24:33] distributed to the Council.

[5:24:34] We will begin with in person

[5:24:36] comment allegedly order it

[5:24:37] please come forward.

[5:24:37] You'll have two minutes to

[5:24:46] speak.

[5:24:51] >> So anyhow I was wondering if

[5:24:52] we could call sd Junior because

[5:24:53] the gasoline you guys keep

[5:24:53] pouring out on the people is

[5:24:56] just brilliant sense and I

[5:24:57] don't know if they can do

[5:24:58] something about that but Shawn

[5:24:58] what are you talking about?

[5:25:01] The rest of us trying to get

[5:25:01] by.

[5:25:02] Why are you acting like you're

[5:25:02] trying to get by?

[5:25:06] That's not fair to the people

[5:25:06] that are trying to get by

[5:25:07] because you I don't know if you

[5:25:10] got a frog in your pocket but

[5:25:11] the way that you that's totally

[5:25:12] gaslighting the people that are

[5:25:16] actually trying to make ends

[5:25:17] meet not sitting up on a dias

[5:25:17] with an electric by most people

[5:25:21] would love to have an electric

[5:25:21] bike like you got.

[5:25:22] They couldn't even afford that

[5:25:22] kind of stuff.

[5:25:25] I mean they can't even afford

[5:25:26] to eat And you guys are up here

[5:25:27] talking about prevailing wages

[5:25:30] and a living wage.

[5:25:31] Who are you to be determining

[5:25:31] that?

[5:25:35] I mean again until you guys are

[5:25:36] putting in setting your wage at

[5:25:40] minimum wage and seeing what

[5:25:41] it's like trying to get by like

[5:25:45] the rest of us, I don't think

[5:25:46] it's fair for you to be even

[5:25:46] talking about this.

[5:25:50] It's a slap in the face to act

[5:25:51] like you have any idea what

[5:25:51] that's like.

[5:25:55] You MAY have known it at point

[5:25:56] in your life but I don't feel

[5:25:56] like you've taken that with you

[5:26:00] to go Oh hey, you know, I mean

[5:26:01] as you sit here and go

[5:26:01] the people decided to give you

[5:26:05] guys raises every time.

[5:26:05] I mean it's just ridiculous

[5:26:06] the kind of stuff that takes

[5:26:08] place and you know, you don't

[5:26:09] know how to stretch a buck

[5:26:10] because you guys come to us

[5:26:11] time and again for more money

[5:26:14] and then you want to pit

[5:26:15] landlords and tenants against

[5:26:16] each other when you guys are

[5:26:19] making the cost of living go up

[5:26:20] and it's like you sitting there

[5:26:21] going like we're going to go

[5:26:21] after the corporations that are

[5:26:24] screwing you guys And it's like

[5:26:24] That's what you guys are.

[5:26:25] So I mean it's just like so

[5:26:29] hypocrite or cool to sit there

[5:26:29] and act like you guys

[5:26:33] understand and that you are

[5:26:34] equipped to be able to set

[5:26:34] these wages.

[5:26:38] So I mean if yours is going to

[5:26:39] be set high let's be equitable

[5:26:42] either you make yours high or

[5:26:43] ours higher and or yours lower

[5:26:47] but it needs to be the same and

[5:26:48] you need to be doing practicing

[5:26:49] what you preach instead of

[5:26:50] sitting up here on a dice and

[5:26:52] acting like you guys you know

[5:26:56] what it's like to do your time

[5:26:56] .

[5:26:57] We also have a speaker slip

[5:26:58] from Anthony Ralphs However I

[5:26:59] don't see him here so we will

[5:27:01] turn to virtual comment.

[5:27:05] I have started the five minute

[5:27:06] timer and council chambers and

[5:27:07] we'll turn to the virtual queue

[5:27:09] in which there are currently

[5:27:10] three participants requesting

[5:27:15] to speak And begin with Hector.

[5:27:20] Please begin.

[5:27:21] All right this will be cool.

[5:27:24] Hey when the mass rapid

[5:27:24] deportation begins it's going

[5:27:28] to open up a lot of housing

[5:27:29] units and drive the cost of

[5:27:33] labor up.

[5:27:34] You know there'll be less labor

[5:27:35] guys working so guys will get

[5:27:39] out a pay raise to find them.

[5:27:39] So when you guys get involved

[5:27:43] in this mass deportation it's

[5:27:44] going to actually increase

[5:27:48] wages because produce less guys

[5:27:48] looking for jobs so they'll

[5:27:52] have to pay us more So it's

[5:27:53] also the temporary legal status

[5:27:56] has been removed from over a

[5:27:57] million people in America and

[5:27:58] that means a lot of people in

[5:28:01] San Diego County have lost

[5:28:02] their temporary legal status

[5:28:06] status even if they've lived

[5:28:07] there for 15 years.

[5:28:11] They got to go.

[5:28:12] If they're not American

[5:28:12] citizens, they got to go now

[5:28:17] Trump is a rap rap Beat it up.

[5:28:17] This is just one angle so you

[5:28:21] guys get to keep talking about

[5:28:22] how to build more housing If

[5:28:22] there's less people living in

[5:28:26] housing it's going to open up

[5:28:26] more housing for like American

[5:28:27] citizens.

[5:28:31] So that would be a great angle

[5:28:31] And then you mention it But

[5:28:32] that's what's really going on

[5:28:35] here man.

[5:28:36] All these illegal guys are

[5:28:37] taking up the low rental

[5:28:37] prices.

[5:28:40] Even the high rental places.

[5:28:41] You know they buy houses too

[5:28:45] and stuff But like the Chinese

[5:28:46] guys are buying houses driving

[5:28:46] up the cost and they're just

[5:28:50] they're scamming the system

[5:28:55] when they're pregnant baby

[5:28:55] factories getting citizens

[5:28:56] they're the ones are scamming

[5:29:00] right in the open.

[5:29:01] So go after those guys and

[5:29:05] anybody on the city payroll

[5:29:06] that has temporary legal

[5:29:10] stature status has to go No

[5:29:10] paying those guys any more

[5:29:11] paychecks.

[5:29:15] There's got to be like

[5:29:15] the hundreds of them.

[5:29:16] How many are there talk

[5:29:19] the city attorney how many

[5:29:20] people with temporary legal

[5:29:24] status work for the city that

[5:29:24] that would be a good question.

[5:29:25] >> Thank you.

[5:29:26] That does conclude your time.

[5:29:33] Blaire for Beekman please begin

[5:29:34] by Blair Big Ben thanks a lot

[5:29:37] for this item Giving City

[5:29:41] Attorney a bit more power for

[5:29:42] an issue like this is

[5:29:42] important.

[5:29:46] Thank you.

[5:29:47] I'm really interested how

[5:29:47] the city of San Diego can be

[5:29:51] working towards a future of

[5:29:52] some sort of an Office of

[5:29:56] Immigration And I think these

[5:29:57] items living wage, prevailing

[5:30:01] wage, minimum wage ordinances

[5:30:06] and dres issues of child

[5:30:06] trafficking and all be really

[5:30:10] important concepts in

[5:30:10] the future of an Office of

[5:30:15] Immigration in San Diego San

[5:30:15] Jose has one They started one a

[5:30:16] few years ago and it's an

[5:30:19] interesting concept that I know

[5:30:20] you guys have talked about but

[5:30:21] you don't want to further

[5:30:24] develop and I think we really

[5:30:25] should be.

[5:30:26] I think it can really address a

[5:30:29] previous previous public

[5:30:30] commenters comments that I

[5:30:31] think he's living in a bit of a

[5:30:34] fantasy world If he thinks that

[5:30:34] we're going to just

[5:30:38] continuously be deporting

[5:30:39] people I don't think that's our

[5:30:40] American future.

[5:30:42] I think this is a one time two

[5:30:43] year shot for Trump that we're

[5:30:44] already, you know, easing off

[5:30:47] of and that we are going to be

[5:30:48] using our hope more because we

[5:30:52] are going to be developing more

[5:30:52] clear policies I think that can

[5:30:53] be everyone can relate to with

[5:30:57] ideas like a piece of

[5:30:58] immigration that we can talk

[5:31:02] with and that can address drug

[5:31:02] concerns, that can address, you

[5:31:10] know, worker rights concerns.

[5:31:10] Good luck in those sort of

[5:31:10] efforts to consider that way of

[5:31:12] thinking as opposed to just

[5:31:12] everyone's illegal or not.

[5:31:17] It's a lot more shaded than

[5:31:17] this.

[5:31:18] So black and white I think good

[5:31:18] luck how we understand that and

[5:31:21] work that together better in

[5:31:22] the future and come up with

[5:31:23] really good immigration

[5:31:26] policies and to conclude I

[5:31:27] think in in the Brown Act

[5:31:31] process if you had an item at

[5:31:32] the committee or council

[5:31:32] meeting before you can remove

[5:31:36] it and not have people comment

[5:31:37] but eventually that does

[5:31:37] conclude your time.

[5:31:38] >> Thank you.

[5:31:41] Our next speaker is a caller

[5:31:42] with the last four digits 8700

[5:31:52] Please begin Joy okay first of

[5:31:55] all I'll be on point and then I

[5:31:56] want to add a couple of things.

[5:31:56] Yes.

[5:32:00] To this ordinance adjustment

[5:32:04] and I support that.

[5:32:05] I wish I could say this exactly

[5:32:09] precisely right.

[5:32:10] The only question I need and

[5:32:11] it's probably answered in

[5:32:11] the backup is that I have

[5:32:14] clarity on the authority of

[5:32:15] the mayor versus the office of

[5:32:15] the attorney.

[5:32:20] It sounded like it was a

[5:32:20] matching authority equal but I

[5:32:25] am not sure on that But I

[5:32:25] approve this item full

[5:32:29] heartedly so a couple of

[5:32:29] things.

[5:32:30] No, I got to get this off my

[5:32:30] chest.

[5:32:34] Got to get all of you make an

[5:32:38] amazing salary in my opinion I

[5:32:42] think it's $180,000 a month.

[5:32:43] That's a lot of money

[5:32:47] especially when you're you

[5:32:47] understand what underserved

[5:32:52] communities are doing are where

[5:32:52] where they're living and what

[5:32:56] they're what they're facing.

[5:33:01] I want a more together

[5:33:01] professional look of our

[5:33:07] council Where is money?

[5:33:07] Well, for Councilmember Van

[5:33:10] Wilpert, MR. Councilmember for

[5:33:11] the third you were absent a lot

[5:33:12] during budget and you've been

[5:33:16] absent a lot And I don't get it

[5:33:20] And it doesn't feel good And I

[5:33:20] know you're following protocols

[5:33:24] but I want you to step up.

[5:33:25] >> I don't want quorum issues.

[5:33:29] I don't want the budget meeting

[5:33:30] start I want you to show us

[5:33:35] your noble engaging what you

[5:33:40] the people voted you for for

[5:33:40] the city of Sandy.

[5:33:41] Oh, and we deserve that And

[5:33:44] please do that for us.

[5:33:45] And I love you.

[5:33:46] I love you Now I like the idea

[5:33:49] of the immigration office

[5:33:50] because I don't understand

[5:33:51] what's happening to our

[5:33:55] refugees and immigrants and how

[5:33:56] they're going to get home.

[5:33:56] Thank you.

[5:33:57] That does conclude your time.

[5:33:58] Thank you.

[5:33:59] Our next speaker is Natalie

[5:33:59] Rashi.

[5:34:05] Please begin.

[5:34:05] >> Hi.

[5:34:06] Um I stated this I think this

[5:34:10] week or last week we're going

[5:34:11] to have to start being really

[5:34:15] innovative in how we move

[5:34:15] forward.

[5:34:16] I've been doing some deep dives

[5:34:17] into A.I. And how that MAY or

[5:34:19] MAY not affect our community.

[5:34:24] It's moving faster than I think

[5:34:25] people are really wanting to be

[5:34:30] aware of and everything that we

[5:34:35] do as a collective I think has

[5:34:39] to be intentional and strategic

[5:34:40] .

[5:34:40] There are big A.I. Companies,

[5:34:46] big people that are I would say

[5:34:50] sociopaths that are trying to

[5:34:51] do things and run this country

[5:34:52] your way that I'm not choosing

[5:34:55] that I want to participate in

[5:34:56] these the wages I don't even

[5:34:57] know what that means anymore

[5:35:01] And that's why I've been really

[5:35:02] focused on building community

[5:35:06] and building business because

[5:35:07] if this is going to go the way

[5:35:08] that some of these people these

[5:35:12] techs are trying to make it go

[5:35:12] I just read an article

[5:35:13] yesterday in The Voice of San

[5:35:17] Diego.

[5:35:18] They have an ai robot teacher,

[5:35:19] the first one in San Diego.

[5:35:22] That's insane.

[5:35:23] And the look on those kids

[5:35:27] Facebook looked like they were

[5:35:27] scared.

[5:35:32] >> It's a six foot two robot.

[5:35:32] It's strange but that's where

[5:35:38] we're at.

[5:35:39] So I don't know where that

[5:35:39] leads us when it comes to jobs

[5:35:43] At the end of the day.

[5:35:44] But like I said, I think we

[5:35:45] have to get innovative and say

[5:35:49] no when it's time to say no and

[5:35:50] stand up for what you know what

[5:35:54] is human and what is not human

[5:35:54] .

[5:35:54] >> Thanks.

[5:35:55] Thank you.

[5:35:55] That concludes public testimony

[5:35:59] on items 5o5.

[5:35:59] All right.

[5:36:00] Thank you, Deputy Clerk I'll

[5:36:04] turn over my colleagues

[5:36:05] questions.

[5:36:05] Comments Entertain a motion.

[5:36:06] I'm going to start with Council

[5:36:10] PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee and then

[5:36:11] I think Council member Foster

[5:36:12] was next up and then I'm going

[5:36:13] to Councilmember Kimball I'll

[5:36:16] actually defer first to

[5:36:17] Councilmember Foster to start

[5:36:18] this from a budgetary

[5:36:18] perspective.

[5:36:19] Wasn't sure who hit first but

[5:36:25] COUNCILMAN Foster Oh your Thank

[5:36:26] you.

[5:36:26] No worries.

[5:36:26] Thank you.

[5:36:31] Council PRESIDENT And I just

[5:36:32] really want to thank MADAM City

[5:36:33] attorney for the quick work on

[5:36:37] this and also want to thank her

[5:36:38] for identifying for identifying

[5:36:43] this as we were working through

[5:36:43] the budget process.

[5:36:48] I think those are the you know,

[5:36:48] as we are continuing to look at

[5:36:53] the structural deficit and look

[5:36:54] out look at how we continue to

[5:36:55] meet our obligations, I think

[5:36:59] this was an opportunity that

[5:36:59] was brought to the table at

[5:37:00] the right time to where we can

[5:37:05] expand our processes and some

[5:37:11] improvements and have a little

[5:37:12] more flexibility in what we can

[5:37:16] do, what we cannot do now.

[5:37:17] >> So I just want to think that

[5:37:21] also just wanted to make sure

[5:37:22] and Jim, if you could I just

[5:37:27] want to make sure that we

[5:37:28] continue to do our annual

[5:37:33] reports coming before committee

[5:37:34] council as we look at all these

[5:37:39] processes that we have in place

[5:37:40] to make sure we are meeting our

[5:37:45] intended goals that we are

[5:37:46] targeting.

[5:37:46] So just wanted to make sure

[5:37:51] that we can continue to do that

[5:37:51] .

[5:37:52] >> Can you confirm that?

[5:37:52] Yes.

[5:37:53] Councilmember Foster thank you

[5:37:56] for the question.

[5:37:57] >> Yes, that will carry on as

[5:37:58] usual.

[5:37:58] All right.

[5:37:58] Thank you.

[5:38:02] And Jim, thank you for moving

[5:38:03] so quickly with this as this is

[5:38:08] a very important item I would

[5:38:09] say for myself and I think for

[5:38:09] this council.

[5:38:10] And so with that I will move

[5:38:14] staff's recommendation.

[5:38:15] >> All right.

[5:38:15] Thank you, sir.

[5:38:16] So a motion by Councilmember

[5:38:17] Foster to move the recommended

[5:38:18] staff recommendation will go

[5:38:21] now to council PRESIDENT Pro

[5:38:21] Tem Lee and Council PRESIDENT

[5:38:22] And I'll second the motion and

[5:38:27] also share my thanks to City

[5:38:27] Attorney Firmat for really

[5:38:28] bringing forth this

[5:38:28] opportunity.

[5:38:32] And I think this is more than

[5:38:33] just a logistical move that has

[5:38:33] the potential of saving funding

[5:38:38] from a general fund standpoint

[5:38:38] .

[5:38:39] What it really is is is taking

[5:38:40] an office that actually had

[5:38:44] been shifted in the last year

[5:38:45] and a half or so to just being

[5:38:46] the division of labor standards

[5:38:50] under the city treasurer to a

[5:38:51] place where I think we have an

[5:38:51] opportunity to actually think

[5:38:52] about how we do better

[5:38:57] enforcement on this front And I

[5:38:57] think enabling the city

[5:38:58] Attorney's office to actually

[5:39:02] conduct that work to oversee it

[5:39:03] has many advantages And again I

[5:39:04] think we have a lot of thanks

[5:39:04] to the office and city attorney

[5:39:08] for it for bringing this

[5:39:08] forward.

[5:39:09] >> So again with that happy

[5:39:09] commission.

[5:39:10] All right.

[5:39:10] Thank you, sir.

[5:39:11] We have a motion by

[5:39:14] Councilmember Foster in a

[5:39:15] second by council PRESIDENT Pro

[5:39:16] Tem Lee Not see anybody else in

[5:39:16] the lights.

[5:39:19] Clerk Please call the roll.

[5:39:20] >> I have set up the voting

[5:39:20] system.

[5:39:25] Please cast your vote and we

[5:39:31] will need a verbal vote from

[5:39:32] Councilmember Foster.

[5:39:32] I vote yes.

[5:39:38] Thank you.

[5:39:38] The item passes unanimously So

[5:39:39] nothing with the council

[5:39:44] districts five and eight

[5:39:44] absent.

[5:39:45] >> All right.

[5:39:49] Thank you for the good work and

[5:39:50] thank you for the presentation

[5:39:51] and patiently waiting through

[5:39:56] this afternoon's agenda.

[5:39:57] So with that we will now

[5:39:57] adjourn Council to the next

[5:39:58] regularly scheduled council

[5:40:03] meeting on Monday JULY six,

[5:40:04] 2026 at 10 P.M. And as a

[5:40:07] reminder the new changes under

[5:40:08] sb seven seven will be effect

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