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[22:53] Okay, good evening everyone. Uh, welcome to the March 23rd, 2026 city council

[22:59] meeting. I will now call the meeting to order. Um, Councilman Steel, will you

[23:03] say the pledge, please?

[23:07] » And over your heart, repeat after me. I aliance to the flag of the United States

[23:13] of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,

[23:19] indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[23:26] » Thank you very much. Uh, city clerk, will you please take role? Council

[23:30] member Calm, >> here.

[23:32] » Council member Sen here. >> Council member Steel

[23:35] » here. >> Mayor Prom Wang

[23:37] » here. and Mayor Landau >> here. At this time, Mayor, I would also

[23:40] like to note that there has been a change to the presentation title on

[23:44] tonight's agenda. The reference to the Orange County Fire Authority has been

[23:48] removed. The present presentation now reads, "Special presentation by the

[23:54] Orange County Firefighters Local 3631 by President Chris Ham." Thank you very

[24:00] much. >> And with that, I would now like to call

[24:02] up Orange County Firefighters Local 3631 President Chris Ham.

[24:14] Good evening, Mayor and Council. My name is Chris Ham. I'm president of Orange

[24:17] County Professional Firefighters and Labor Leader of over,200 men and women

[24:21] that serve this community every day. I'm here this evening with Battalion 1 BC

[24:26] Brian Man, Engine 44 crew. Um Oh,

[24:34] uh local 3631 Vice President Justin Dylan.

[24:39] And we're here this evening to honor council member and former OCFA director

[24:44] Joe Calm. Uh for those of you that aren't aware, Joe Calm served on our

[24:49] OCFA board of directors, which is made up of 25 elected officials. across the

[24:53] county of Orange. Joe has the distinct honor of not only serving as uh Seal

[24:58] Beach's representative, but also being a former volunteer firefighter with the

[25:02] Seal Beach Fire Department prior to coming to OCFA. And you may be asking

[25:07] yourself why that matters. Uh most people when they think of Orange County

[25:11] firefighters, they think of the engines or trucks that you see driving down the

[25:14] street and you think of firefighters responding to cats and trees or

[25:18] structure fires or vehicle fires. But the reality is the firefighters of today

[25:22] do so much more. We are more akin to an all-risk agency. Our firefighters

[25:27] respond to everything from active shooters to weapons of mass destruction.

[25:32] And while you think what does that have to do with elected officials? Well, we

[25:35] have 25 elected officials on our board who make the determination on the type

[25:39] of equipment, the type of staffing, and the type of financial support our

[25:42] firefighters are going to get to respond to those types of emergencies. When we

[25:46] have an elected official like Joe Camck who has prior experience, it makes our

[25:50] job significantly easier to have those more complex conversations. And so we're

[25:55] here this evening to thank him for his support of our members. thank him for

[25:59] his support of his service to his community and recognize that having an

[26:04] opportunity for a council member like Joe Calm to step aside in his final year

[26:08] as an elected official to allow Mayor Landau to step up to the board is not

[26:11] only beneficial to us as firefighters, but it's beneficial to the Seal Beach

[26:15] residents because you not only have a professional on the fire engines that

[26:19] ride on the engines and trucks or the battalion chiefs that ride in BC wagons,

[26:22] but you have somebody who sat in the room. So when Mayor Landau has a

[26:25] question, she has multiple resources to reach out to. So with that, I want to

[26:29] say thank you for your service, Joe. I want to present you with this plaque,

[26:32] and hopefully we can get you down here to take a picture along with Engine 44

[26:36] and Battalion One.

[27:03] Do we need to sit or can we stand? >> Who's taking a picture? Corey, are we

[27:07] okay standing? >> Yeah,

[27:10] » these guys might need to smush. >> I'll send them to all of y'all.

[27:35] take it home. >> Okay. Later. Thank you.

[27:41] » Yes.

[27:45] » Joe, real quick, if you just hold up the plaque. I just want to make reference to

[27:48] the 44 on the side of the helmet. There is uh downtown Seal Beach Fire Station

[27:52] 44. So,

[28:04] » I'm going to ask Mayor uh Prom Wong to help me save my voice a little bit. So,

[28:09] we'll be switching up. >> Oh, I'm so sorry. Joe, would you like to

[28:15] make a comment? >> Sure. Um,

[28:20] I just want to say what a pleasure and an honor um, it's been to spend 40

[28:27] years. Um, considering I could never decide if

[28:31] I wanted to be a cowboy or a fireman when I was a kid. I at least was able to

[28:36] pick one and and uh have a a career almost. Um, I certainly appreciate the

[28:43] recognition and uh it was it it was a hell of a

[28:48] ride, believe me. So, I want to thank everybody for all the support. Thanks.

[29:02] Thank you, Mayor. uh for oral communications. At this time, members of

[29:06] the public may address the council regarding any items within the subject

[29:10] matter juris jurisdiction of the city council. Pursuant to the Brown Act, the

[29:15] council cannot discuss or take action on any items not on the agenda unless

[29:19] authorized by law. Matters not on the agenda may at council's discretion be

[29:24] referred to the city manager and placed on a future agenda. All speakers will be

[29:28] limited to a period of 5 minutes. Speakers must address their comments

[29:32] only to the mayor and the entire city council and not to any individual member

[29:36] of the staff or audience. Any documents for review should be presented to the

[29:40] city clerk for distribution. Speaker cards are available at the clerk's desk

[29:44] for those wishing to sign up to address the council. Although the submission of

[29:47] a speaker card is not required in order to address the council.

[29:53] And I believe we have our first uh public meeting speaker card is for

[29:57] Charles Krueger. Sure.

[30:13] » Honorable Mayor Landau and esteemed members of the city council. My name is

[30:18] Lion John Schroeder of the Seal Beach Lions Club. I am here to announce and

[30:25] introduce one of the least vocal members of the Seal Beach Lions Club, namely

[30:32] Lion Jellybean Bunny. Many of you know Jellybean is one of the

[30:38] quietest members of our club. In fact, she asked our board to appoint

[30:45] a loudmouth member of our club to speak for her. Naturally, my name came up.

[30:54] In any event, we're here to announce the 2026 Easter egg hunt taking place at

[31:01] Eisenhower Park on April 4, 2026 at 9:00 a.m. sharp. Miss Bunnikans or a

[31:11] reasonable faximile thereof will be there to present the start of

[31:18] the event and to take photos with children and or adults or city council

[31:26] people. This is an annual fun event hosted by

[31:31] the Sil Beach Lions Club. Please plan to attend to show your support. And I might

[31:37] add, on a plus side, for elected officials such as yourself, this event

[31:42] gives you a prime opportunity to meet and mingle with your constituents in

[31:49] beautiful Seal Beach. And best of all for you, the hunt itself lasts only five

[31:55] minutes. So we hope that you can be there. And as

[32:00] a token uh and a reminder of the event, each of you have received a relatively

[32:07] worthless plastic egg. Now, what happened,

[32:11] Bunnings? You sat down. We have You forgot about the obligatory photo.

[32:18] » You know, we have to have the obligatory photo.

[32:25] » Take it easy, Bunnings.

[32:29] Okay, >> John, you want to come up?

[32:33] » Speak up, mayor, so that she knows where you are.

[32:36] » Why don't we Why don't we go down there? >> Okay.

[32:39] » Want to go down there? >> All right.

[32:41] » Here we go. >> For the obligatory photo.

[32:46] » Do you want to go up there, John?

[32:54] » Thank you.

[32:58] Thank you, buddy.

[33:05] » She has more eggs to fill, so we're going to leave you now. Goodbye.

[33:09] » Thank you very much. Um, our next speaker, Charles Krueger.

[33:46] That was interesting. Uh, Charlie Kuger, College Park East.

[33:51] I'd just like to bring to uh council's attention what's going on in College

[33:57] Park East with uh the development and now that they're approaching the state.

[34:03] Um, back when the uh project was approved in Los Alamos,

[34:09] uh, it was brought to everyone's attention and it's on the record that

[34:15] the sewer issue was going to be costly and it was going to the exact words in

[34:22] the EIR was that the sewer was going to be cost prohibitive.

[34:27] Lamson LLC was part of that process. Currently, Lamson LLC is a partner with

[34:35] LAR. They should have communicated this with

[34:40] LAR. Now, LAR is approaching the state to force,

[34:46] I guess, the city, us to do something for LAR at our cost. What we're trying

[34:54] to remind the city here is that we have an obligation to the uh golf course

[35:02] development which is within our city, not the Lamson project which is uh in

[35:09] Los Al. We're obligated to do affordable housing

[35:14] and all those units are going to tax our sewer system.

[35:19] We have a responsibility to those projects pro before the lampson project

[35:26] and we'd like that brought to the state's attention. It's an issue that

[35:31] that that needs to be put on the table. It's it's it's

[35:37] paramount. Um Lamson LLC should have made a lot of things

[35:44] disclosed to uh LAR. Uh we understand now that there's uh some issues with the

[35:51] Quimby fee uh which was brought up at the uh the EIR

[35:58] at uh Lassal approval

[36:01] and because the state relaxed its EIR issues, why is Seal Beach being taxed or

[36:09] being responsible for certain requirements? It's going to be costly

[36:13] for us. those costs should be put on or worked out with the city of Loal.

[36:20] That's really what we wanted to bring to attention. One other issue we'd like to

[36:25] try to bring to light um the lamps and well we understand is

[36:32] going to be finally uh the uh the project is going to start

[36:38] repairs. We'd like to an accounting of how many months, years that the project

[36:47] has not been run efficiently. How many years has that lampson well after it was

[36:53] remodeled?

[36:57] Why how many why I'm having a hard time explaining this, but it hasn't run at

[37:03] 100% efficiency really since it was remodeled. and it's been quite about

[37:09] quite a long time and I think for for uh a coste effective project we should look

[37:18] at that item. Um we at College Park East have been on the short end of that and

[37:26] we need an efficient uh well and we're asking for some kind of accountability

[37:31] on that. One other item, uh, I brought it up

[37:37] earlier in an earlier meeting. We'd like the city to consider any kind of, uh,

[37:46] electrical items brought up or new revisions to any kind of issues.

[37:55] An item should be also considered as far as uh an efficient cost effective item

[38:03] should be a um a u

[38:10] rather than running something with Edison or lighting it should be a u

[38:16] » 30 seconds Charles >> 30 seconds um

[38:20] » solar >> some some type of solar

[38:23] consideration. Any item should be automatically

[38:28] considered uh a solar project. At least the the cost efficiencies should be

[38:34] looked at. Thank you. >> Thank you, Charles.

[38:40] » Um that is uh the one and only public speaking uh meeting speaking speaker

[38:46] card that I have. Is there anybody else that would like to make a comment?

[38:52] Yes, please. If you can state your name and uh neighborhood.

[39:02] » Uh my name is uh Scott Fet. I've been a uh College Park East resident for over

[39:06] 20 years. Uh I just want to bring up a couple of things. Uh put a little bit

[39:11] more of a face on it. Um I happen to live on Hazelnut between Rose and

[39:16] Heather. the Lamson project will impact me quite significantly. Uh, a couple of

[39:22] things downtown, the parking, we all know that it's been terrible. Or

[39:27] actually, actually, I don't think it's that bad. I've never had a problem

[39:29] finding a spot, but you did so much work. You had committees. You passed so

[39:33] many laws and, you know, about moving the cars and all the work that went into

[39:38] making sure that the parking downtown was as equitable and as fair as

[39:42] possible. I'd like you to take that into consideration where I live. in my

[39:47] neighborhood because if that project goes in, there isn't enough parking. We

[39:52] all know that. So, where are they going to park? They're going to park where I

[39:56] am. Okay? So, as much work and effort and all that time and energy and

[40:00] resources you put into figuring out downtown parking, if this project goes

[40:04] through, please consider our parking issues.

[40:09] Uh the other thing I want to bring up is I was uh very involved with my children

[40:16] with the school district. There is no lefthand turn. There is no

[40:23] bus turnaround. If you have ever driven on Lamson A in

[40:30] the morning when we have that mist in there where you can't see 30 feet in

[40:34] front of you, it is incredibly dangerous.

[40:39] There have been several people that have died on Lampson A since I've lived here.

[40:45] What are we going to do of all those residents and all those children who are

[40:50] crossing that road in the morning with the mist? And I know

[40:56] the police force has driven that road. You know how dangerous it is. You can be

[40:58] going along, you're going along, and speed limits 45. I'm sure everyone only

[41:02] does 45. And it goes from completely clear to all of a sudden you hit a mist

[41:06] and you can't see 10 ft. So, we're going to have elementary

[41:10] school, middle school, high school kids that are going to have to cross that

[41:14] road to get to Heather Park to pick up the

[41:18] bus. Lamson is a dangerous road,

[41:25] especially for children who may not be as aware and not paying attention.

[41:30] That is an incredible credible burden for us and the police force to monitor

[41:35] that to make sure it's safe for all these children.

[41:39] The other thing is is my road where I live is going to turn into a freeway

[41:44] because every single person that leaves that complex, if they're going to work

[41:50] to Seal Beach Boulevard, they'll make that right. They're going, but when they

[41:53] come home, they're going to have to make that they're going to have to make that

[41:56] turn. So, they're going to turn down Heather, rip down my street, come up

[41:59] roads, and come around. If they have to go out the other way, if they're going

[42:02] to value View, they're going to go to Heather. They're going to turn and

[42:05] they're going to come flying down my street. Our

[42:08] police force is incredible. I know some of them. Of course, Yoshi everyone

[42:12] loves, but um I won't say he's my favorite, but u but

[42:17] the police force does a great job. But this isn't going to be another burden on

[42:20] them. How are they going to keep my street safe and my kids?

[42:26] Uh I'm going to be a grandparent in a couple weeks. I'm super excited. How are

[42:30] they going to what are they going to do if my grandkid is coming and I've got

[42:33] all these extra traffic? And this isn't even just during the construction phase

[42:36] where all those trucks are going to have to go somewhere. They're going to have

[42:40] to turn around. So, just

[42:43] think about it and have a little uh I'm looking for a little consideration,

[42:47] compassion of how it's going to affect I moved to Seal Beach. I grew up in

[42:51] upstate New York. Okay. They call Seal Beach the Mayberry by the sea. I grew up

[42:56] in Mayberry, a little town in Colony. Top 10 safest cities and blah blah blah

[43:00] in in the country when I was growing up. Fantastic. I love College Park East.

[43:05] It's so warm. It's so inviting. It's Little Mayberry. It's so nice. This

[43:12] Lamson project is going to change that. From what I can see, Loal reaps all the

[43:18] benefits, all of the pluses.

[43:23] And the city of Seal Beach, which I know we're inland,

[43:27] we are going to suffer all of the negative. it is going to negatively

[43:32] affect our quality of life. >> There you go, Scott.

[43:36] » Thank you. So, I just wanted to say my piece, give you a little bit of human

[43:40] perspective of someone that's going to be really affected by this. And I

[43:44] appreciate your time. Thank you very much for everyone for listening. And the

[43:49] Easter Bunny was awesome. That was incredible. Those lines are incredible.

[43:52] Thank you very much. Have a wonderful year.

[43:53] » Thank you, Scott.

[43:58] Uh, is there anyone else who would like to address the council? Yes, please. If

[44:02] you can state your name and neighborhood, please.

[44:15] Hi, good afternoon. My name is Robert Jackson. I'm a resident of College Park

[44:19] East. My home is located in close proximity to the 405 freeway sound wall.

[44:25] A few weeks ago, my wife Lucille Jackson addressed this council and presented

[44:29] data we have been collecting from our second story window documenting

[44:33] excessive freeway noise levels that are in clear violation of California code

[44:37] S1162 pertaining to the soundwall. Uh I am

[44:41] here today not to specifically speak about that to speak about one of the

[44:44] root causes uh of this excessive noise and propose practical solutions that

[44:50] could be implemented in the near term while long-term improvements to the

[44:54] soundwall are considered. The stretch of the 405 freeway begins at Bolsuchica

[44:58] Road and and ends at Seal Beach Boulevard. It's approximately 2 miles of

[45:04] straight roadway. Uh on a daily basis, uh we hear vehicles, particularly the

[45:10] motorcycles and cars with modified exhaust systems using this stretch of

[45:14] the freeway to accelerate excessively. Under California Vehicle Code 27151, it

[45:20] is illegal to modify a vehicle's exhaust system to exceed 95 dB at the source.

[45:25] However, based on our measurements, this threshold is being exceeded regularly.

[45:31] Over the past several weeks, we have recorded sound levels exceeding 90 dB

[45:34] from our home, which is approximately 450 plus feet away from the wall uh

[45:41] which is separated by that 18 ft sound wall. Uh according to the distance to

[45:45] this uh accounting for this distance and attenuation, this strongly suggests that

[45:50] vehicles themselves are producing sound levels well above 100 dB at the source.

[45:55] In addition to these daily occurrences, there are recurring issues on weekends,

[45:59] illegal street racing. These events typically occur between 11:00 p.m. and 2

[46:03] a.m. The vehicles involved are often high performance cars with very loud

[46:07] engines. And from our vantage point, they appear to be accelerating near

[46:10] Buluch Chica overpass and continuing the full two-mile stretch towards Seal Beach

[46:15] Boulevard where they de accelerate. The result is sudden extreme noise and

[46:20] that disrupts the entire neighborhood, waking even deeper sleepers in College

[46:24] Park East and nearby Washmore where we used to live where we heard it as well.

[46:29] Um, just to give provide clarity what that 2-m struts is capable of, a a stock

[46:35] Corvette 0 to 60 in 3 seconds could hit 200 mph by the time it hits Sil Beach

[46:40] Boulevard when starting at the Bolts Chico Road. Um, that is the problem I'm

[46:46] here to address and I respectfully ask that Seal Beach Police Department work

[46:50] in coordination with the California Highway Patrol to implement effective

[46:54] deterrence. Why? While I understand the jurisdiction jurisdiction jurisdiction

[47:00] limits, there is an opportunity opportunity here to collaborate to

[47:04] improve the quality of life for the residents. I would like to prop propose

[47:09] two solutions. First, the placement of a parked CHP CHP vehicle near the near the

[47:15] Bulsa Chica overpass equipped with a noise activated system. When sound

[47:20] levels exceed 95 dB, the system would trigger flashing red and blue lights for

[47:25] a short duration, 30 seconds maybe, serving as a visible deterrent to

[47:29] excessive accelerations in racing. Second, the installation of a similar

[47:33] noise activated device along the top of the freeway sound wall with in strategic

[47:38] locations. These systems would function in the same way creating a consistent

[47:42] deterrent uh present along the freeway. These solutions are relatively low cost,

[47:49] scalable, and could significantly reduce illegal racing and excessive noise uh

[47:54] vehicle noise. For context, I'm a principal mechanical engineer working

[47:57] for a local defense contractor where I design and build unmanned systems. I am

[48:02] suitable, but if a suitable off-the-shelf solution does not exist, I

[48:08] am confident I in my ability to help design and implement such a device. I

[48:12] understand that the freeway falls under the jurisdiction of CHP, not the Seal

[48:17] Beach Police Department. However, I respectfully ask that the city take

[48:21] initiative in advocating for the in supporting these solutions in part in

[48:25] partnership with the CHP. Thank you. That's it. Thank you, Robert.

[48:35] Uh, are there any other speakers? Yes.

[48:41] Mayor Lando, city council, city staff, thank you for your time tonight. My name

[48:46] is Darren Dillion with Nashville on the Coast, and I want to start off by

[48:51] thanking all the city council for being on opening night this past uh past week.

[48:56] It was very appreciative that you guys were there to support. I just wanted to

[49:00] give a brief update on this year's Nashville on the Coast Festival. We had

[49:06] five days of music. Each day was at a different venue. There were 47 different

[49:10] songwriters from all over the country that came here to perform that week. Uh

[49:18] from myself and my staff, I'd like to thank you and the city of Seal Beach for

[49:22] all your support and hopefully we can grow it even better next year. So, I

[49:27] want to thank you. Also, thank Chief for being there on that opening night also.

[49:32] So, thank you all. Have a great night. >> Thank you, Darren.

[49:44] Uh, good evening, Mayor Landau, city council, and and city staff. Um, my name

[49:49] is Corey Deleó, and I proudly represent the Seal Beach Chamber um as their their

[49:55] Gaka Gak co-chair along with our well, your own Patty Senagal.

[50:01] We would like to recognize the new members. We continue to grow here at the

[50:06] Seal Beach uh chamber. Our new members are Careuilders at Home, Alzheimer's

[50:12] Association of Orange County, Diane Wellness, the Youth Center, Lee

[50:17] Austinorf, and um our brand new bronze level

[50:22] sponsor um Seal Beach Teriyak who is offering free delivery in Oldtown and up

[50:28] on the hill. Uh so again, we really encourage if if you are thinking about

[50:33] doing business, it's one of the things I'm most proud about Seal Beach is that

[50:36] we continue to support our own. Want to continue to um ask you to support that.

[50:41] We do have some upcoming chamber events and uh thanks to uh Patty's suggestion,

[50:47] we will be emailing you a copy of these. You don't have to write them down, but

[50:50] I'm going to list them um all the same. On March 25th, we have our speed

[50:55] networking 5:30 p.m. at Fire Station 48. on March 28th, a big day. We have run

[51:02] Seal Beach um from um and we just encourage all of our businesses and our

[51:07] residents to understand that they're going to be impacted from about 4:00

[51:11] a.m. to 11:00 a.m. Um later that night, we have the youth center casino um

[51:18] casino night at Rush Park in Rosmore. March 31st, we have social media

[51:23] workshop from 11:30 uh at 11:30 in the morning uh fire station 48. So if you

[51:29] are ready to get your social media game up, this is the place to go and figure

[51:33] out how to do that. On April 9th, um we will have our annual or manual monthly

[51:41] uh networking breakfast bright and early at 7:30 at Ali's featuring Natalie

[51:46] Wilson who will speak to us about Olympic dreams and how to get into those

[51:50] games. On April 9th, uh the ambassador's meeting um right after the chamber right

[51:56] after that um networking meeting will happen at the chamber office at 9:30.

[52:01] April 10th, um we have an exciting new ribbon cutting. April Ray by the Sea is

[52:07] a um new children's space. Um and it will be the grand opening will be at uh

[52:14] 12 p.m. located at 13924 Sil Beach Boulevard.

[52:19] I can't believe it, but it's already here. April 15th, um, we were, so I

[52:25] should say start with April 25th is the car show, but April April 15th, we are

[52:30] going to have a car show kickoff 5:00 p.m. at um, 3:20 Maine. Um, so as

[52:38] as we know, we have the annual car show. U, typically that's going to run from

[52:43] 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. It is sold out. However, there is a wait list and we do

[52:48] encourage anybody that's interested to contact the chamber to get on that

[52:52] weight list. We are looking for vendors. If you would like to if you or you have

[52:57] a business that would like to sponsor a trophy, it's only a mere $125 and that

[53:01] will sponsor the trophy that actually features wood from the um old pier. Uh

[53:07] we are looking for volunteers for that. May 28th, we will have a nonprofit panel

[53:12] from 11:30 in the morning at the Epson building. that's going to be

[53:16] co-sponsored with the Loal Chamber and there is sponsorship opportunity there.

[53:20] June 13th uh right around the corner will be the 19th annual Be More Healthy

[53:25] Expo. We want to give quick congratulations

[53:29] to um Lion Terry Young who um who was named Senator Strickland's 2026 woman of

[53:37] distinction. I believe Maryland was there for that presentation

[53:42] uh this past weekend. We were so honored uh to be to be around for while we

[53:47] honored Ray Longoria as our Seal Beach Citizen of the Year at the Americana

[53:52] Festival. Uh want to give quick congratulations to a very successful

[53:58] farmers market opening at the Seal Beach Pier. And we want to let everybody know

[54:03] um that's going to be every Friday from 9 to 2 o'clock. Um our own community was

[54:09] featured in beach.com. So, we want everybody to go to beach.com and see

[54:13] what and see all the fantastic things Seal Beach has to offer. As if you

[54:16] didn't know. Um, >> 30 seconds.

[54:20] » We're going to do this quickly. I would be remiss if I didn't say

[54:23] congratulations to Joe Calm. His dedication

[54:26] um as a as a firefighter is is well known um but so appreciated. So,

[54:32] quickly, I'm going to try to do this as fast as I can. Gold level sponsors. We

[54:35] don't do this without our sponsors. Boeing Lions Club of Seal Beach, F&M

[54:40] Bank for Public Services, Silver Level Sponsors, All Protection Services,

[54:43] Golden West College, Glowwaukee Chiropractic, Lisa Kovac Residential

[54:48] Real Estate, Pavilions, The Law Offices of Justin Heim, Pearl Vision, Think

[54:52] Boutique, Sip Safe Solutions, and Sale Beach Chiropractic. Thank you so much.

[54:57] » Thank you, Corey.

[55:01] Are there any additional speakers? I'd like to reclaim my time, please.

[55:09] » Good evening, Mayor Landau, city council staff, and first responders. My name is

[55:15] Chad Bellinger. I am the president of Seal Beach City Rotary, and I have been

[55:18] a resident of Oldtown for the last 18 years. Since we last gathered, uh, Seal

[55:24] Beach City Rotary hosted Mayor Landau as our guest speaker, and she gave us an

[55:28] update of her past accomplishments and current goals. Uh and again it was a

[55:33] pleasure working with city staff Lauren Barrett and Jennifer Robels on that

[55:36] project and thank you city manager Patrick Gyos for also attending. It was

[55:40] a pleasure to have you. We also had the pleasure of witnessing that afternoon

[55:45] Sister Flood receive a badge from Chief Henderson as the newest member of the

[55:49] Seal Beach Police Department chaplain program. Uh it's a blessing for our city

[55:54] and an honor for her as well. I have since attended the settlement project uh

[56:00] which was at Spagatini. Their mission is to reinstall faith and family in the

[56:04] election process with the 2026 elections coming up. I also attended the OC GOP

[56:09] March assembly where I had the pleasure of witnessing Council Member Nathan

[56:13] Steel receive the party's endorsement. Congratulations, sir. I attended the

[56:18] Leisure World America First Republican Club to hear council member Mayor Prom

[56:23] Ben Wong speak on his recent trip to Washington and report on his work with

[56:28] FEMA and HUD. Excellent, excellent work with HUD. That was a huge

[56:32] accomplishment. Rotary's new initiative, Walk with the

[56:36] Sun. Of course, we are delivering newspapers into Oldtown and this is the

[56:41] second week that we have done it. And last week we did fourth, fifth, 6th,

[56:45] 7th, and 8th Street in Oldtown with getting our Sun newspaper back into

[56:51] circulation. I had coffee with Chief Henderson at Bogarts and and we had a

[56:56] chance to visit with council members Steel and Calm that morning as well. And

[57:00] then I took a walk through farmers market, which I believe is a great

[57:03] addition to the city, uh, one of the resources that we now have to offer, and

[57:08] picked up some cabbage. So, congratulations to the chamber. Uh Corey

[57:11] and I think Peter had some work to do with that. Excellent. And the city, it's

[57:16] a wonderful addition. Uh Saturday, I participated in the Save Our Beach

[57:21] Cleanup. I am getting my steps in. Yesterday, we celebrated my 50th

[57:26] birthday and I want to just remind everyone not to complain about growing

[57:31] older as it is a privilege denied to many.

[57:36] Tomorrow at noon at Old Ranch, we welcome Golden Age Foundation President,

[57:40] Miss Anna Derby. And Anna will tell us about her service projects that she has

[57:45] led over the last 20 years in Leisure World. She is a powerhouse. Uh for more

[57:51] information, please visit our website at seal beachcityrootary.com

[57:55] or call the office line at 562-509-8640.

[58:01] I have a couple more spots if there's any council members who represent

[58:04] Leisure World and would like to attend. Thank you so much for your time this

[58:08] evening and I wish you a providential meeting. Thank you.

[58:12] » Thanks, Chad.

[58:17] » Uh any other interested speakers? Yes.

[58:31] Ken Scythe from College Park West. Hi again, uh, mayor, council, our staff,

[58:36] and first responders. I want to thank you tonight for continuing to listen

[58:41] and, uh, have your interest in, uh, the outlying areas of the city, in

[58:46] particular, College Park West and College Park East. Um, I think our city

[58:51] always hopes to cooperate with projects, including for our neighbors, but I think

[58:57] it's been pretty well demonstrated that there are very few, if any, tangible or

[59:01] significant benefits to these projects at College Park East and uh, College

[59:06] Park West. Um, I'd like to say tonight that I I can't speak for everybody

[59:11] anywhere, especially College Park West, but I think many residents of College

[59:15] Park West support College Park East strongly. And I think I mentioned here

[59:19] before that I've lived in Sil Beach for over 50 years. I lived 26 years in

[59:23] College Park West in the last I'm sorry, East in the last 23 in College Park

[59:28] West. And when we lived in College Park East, we did experience storm water

[59:33] flooding. It didn't happen too often, but there were some scary times. I'm not

[59:37] going to take time today to talk about that. The time my kids were trapped uh

[59:42] when the water came up to the porch and then also sewer backups. So, I've lived

[59:47] through those and those are real, although hopefully not too often. Uh

[59:52] the the uh benefits to the College Park East project uh according to what I

[59:57] heard last week when the attorney testified were $1 million storm water

[1:00:02] studies, traffic improvement, and other benefits, whatever that means, 1.22

[1:00:07] million in permit revenues. my understanding but I don't have the exact

[1:00:12] figures but the the the amounts that would be required to com to really

[1:00:16] improve our sewer system are in the multi-millions of dollars so I think

[1:00:21] that's the whole sewer system very old uh and the storm water improvements also

[1:00:27] are in the millions of dollars so to me that's not really a fair trade-off I

[1:00:31] don't know that they would have to pay for everything but this isn't about

[1:00:36] trying to get something I don't think that's any any again I don't feel that

[1:00:40] that's what we're trying to do here. But if there are risks and dangers, then I

[1:00:45] think we can expect to have some type of uh negotiation in kind to to try to

[1:00:50] mitigate those things. Um at College Park West, we have the bridge

[1:00:56] and there are other alternatives. There are already two pipelines on the bridge.

[1:01:00] One is an oil pipeline. So they're planning two more. How many pipelines

[1:01:05] can a small neighborhood is there? Would there be two more in another few years?

[1:01:08] is the magic number four six I I don't know in uh

[1:01:14] in uh in College Park East of course uh you know the the threats to the storm

[1:01:19] water and the sewer. So at College Park West again it's the you know shortterm

[1:01:25] with the construction and longer term risks to the bridge uh when it already

[1:01:30] needs much improvement. So um and again as was testified last

[1:01:36] week by uh Mr. Janisk from our from our neighborhood. These disasters where

[1:01:41] something fails are not common, thank God, like the dam he talked about. But

[1:01:47] if it happens, there are no detours in Seal Beach and I mean in College Park

[1:01:51] West. And if uh there are other bridges and other alternatives that they can DWT

[1:01:56] can use, I don't see why they can't use those. I wanted to bring up an article

[1:02:01] from the Long Beach um paper. Uh which one was it? The post on the second

[1:02:09] street bridge, the Davies Bridge over to Naples. There was an article that that's

[1:02:13] supposed to be improved and now it's on hold. The Olympics uh the traffic

[1:02:17] problems and that's determined to be structurally deficient, which are the

[1:02:21] exact same words utilized for our bridge in College Park West. The the the

[1:02:27] article was from 22726. But even in the worst case scenario,

[1:02:32] there are detours, although they're really out of the way. They mentioned in

[1:02:35] the article that one of them would be Studebaker Road, uh, which of course is

[1:02:39] now under big-time construction if you've been up there with the Studebaker

[1:02:43] Road improvement, which it does need, but uh, so there's a lot to think about

[1:02:48] there. Again, College Park West has no detours. There is no other way in and

[1:02:53] out. So the la last thing I'd like to just mention is the um

[1:02:59] again I kind of talked about this in the past and they never really have enough

[1:03:03] time but so to think about what would happen if uh if actually the college the

[1:03:08] Hannes projects are delayed. The DWP always starts off all their

[1:03:13] presentations that they're under the gun from the state water board. They have to

[1:03:16] get these projects approved by 228 or 229. But what if they don't? Are they

[1:03:22] going to get fined? uh you know they have tremendous political and financial

[1:03:25] clout. They could fight it in court. Uh they could get political clout to delay

[1:03:30] it. We as a city of Seal Beach and Orange County could support them and say

[1:03:34] they need a delay. Uh I and then to try to find another route or uh another uh

[1:03:40] approach. But the bottom line is >> Time is up, Ken.

[1:03:43] » Okay. The bottom line is uh I don't know that there's going to be a major problem

[1:03:47] for them if they we can delay this and they can um find some other route or

[1:03:51] alternative uh to the using the College Park West Bridge. Thank you for your

[1:03:56] time. Thank you, Ken.

[1:04:12] I'm Katherine Sho Walter, resident of College Park East. Um, good evening,

[1:04:16] Mayor Landau, Prom Mayor Wong, um, and other elected

[1:04:24] representatives, Steel, Senal, and Comic, our city council. Um so this

[1:04:29] evening I just basically because my conscious is telling me that I've been a

[1:04:34] nag about the Olympics since the uh strategic planning committee met back in

[1:04:40] 2023 and I was saying okay the Olympics are five years out do we have any

[1:04:45] planning started and then again at 2024 okay 2025 yay now we have something

[1:04:51] going and I'm just wanting to say thank you um something probably would have

[1:04:56] been happening anyway without me nagging, but I just feel like um I've

[1:05:01] I'm invested in this and I so look forward to seeing how this all plays out

[1:05:06] with ideas that come forward from the people that are being selected. So,

[1:05:10] thank you. >> Thank you, Katherine.

[1:05:18] » Any other comments? Yes.

[1:05:30] Hello, city council. Um, my name is Rod McTar and I'm a resident of uh, College

[1:05:35] Park East. Um, wanted to talk a little bit about the lead lampson project and

[1:05:39] and some of my concerns regarding specifically safety. Um, so we're

[1:05:44] already seeing signs of the infrastructure stress as was um,

[1:05:47] mentioned earlier. The during the heavy rain, the sewer manholes tend to bubble

[1:05:52] up already. This is a system under pressure. My concern is we're adding

[1:05:56] more pressure. Um the study that was done was done by the developer. Uh I

[1:06:01] would like to see an independent study done um before we stress a system that's

[1:06:05] already that's already having issues. Um and go also I know was mentioned earlier

[1:06:10] on the no left turn. Um that's really a concern to me. I live at uh Guava uh

[1:06:16] which is just just a little further down from from Heather and Heather Park.

[1:06:20] Heather Park is right there. Um so many of our children play there. We have a

[1:06:24] beautiful new park that we're excited about. I'm going to, you know, I can see

[1:06:28] a lot of people making that U-turn there. There's so many kids on bikes.

[1:06:32] There's kids playing in the park. There's balls that run into the streets.

[1:06:36] Um, you know, we can always watch our kids. I know that's our personal

[1:06:39] responsibility, but you know, um, some of the stuff that could happen and and

[1:06:44] and I'm thinking about people rushing to work eventually when this project's done

[1:06:47] and making those U-turns. You know, these accidents only have to happen

[1:06:50] once. They're tragic. Um I I work as a physician in my medical career. I've

[1:06:54] seen lots of these accidents and I just I can't in good conscious not come here

[1:06:59] and address you all about it. Um we don't have a plan. Um and and that's

[1:07:04] concerning to me. You know, I think whatever needs to happen needs to

[1:07:07] happen, but I think we do need to have a plan for our infrastructure and for our

[1:07:10] our safety and most importantly our children's safety. And um that just

[1:07:14] doesn't sit well with me that we haven't really I mean we've talked about it, but

[1:07:18] we don't have a plan for that. and and I'd really love to see us um going

[1:07:22] forward have that looked at also with the liability and the risk of the uh

[1:07:27] sewer system which I don't want to be labor I know was talked about earlier

[1:07:30] but we need to have a million dollars I mean that you know for this and and

[1:07:33] what's going to go on in the future um if the system breaks down who's going to

[1:07:37] be responsible what are we going to do about it so um that's just my ask is

[1:07:42] that I would really hope that we could have a little bit better of a plan

[1:07:45] before moving forward and I really appreciate you guys hearing me out today

[1:07:48] thank Thank you, Ron.

[1:08:04] » Uh Dan Brandt, uh College Prius resident. Uh thank you, city council and

[1:08:08] mayor. Um first of all, just kind of want to I'm going to talk about some

[1:08:12] real stuff. I know you've heard a lot of the infrastructure, you've heard about

[1:08:15] the sewer line, you about safety, a lot of different things. I want to give you

[1:08:19] a couple analogies just to to kind of hopefully hit home with you because I

[1:08:23] understand that there's big money behind this project, right? And I understand

[1:08:27] the stress. I read the letter from the lawyer. I read all that and I understand

[1:08:32] I understand that there's been there's been lawsuits up and down the state

[1:08:36] regarding um housing density and the and the different projects like Huntington

[1:08:41] Beach, different cities. This is different, right? This is different in

[1:08:45] the fact that we are a different city being impacted by another city in

[1:08:50] development. Okay, Steel Beach didn't say, you know, when the developer picked

[1:08:54] up that property, right? It's just like if you buy a home, you get a dirt lot,

[1:08:58] you know what issues you're going to have. They picked it up, they made their

[1:09:02] their their pick. They got a will serve letter from the the Rossmore Lostell

[1:09:07] sewer district, not from Still Beach. You do your due diligence. Let me think

[1:09:11] about this, right? You own a property, your neighbor has a lot. They want to

[1:09:14] build a home, build a brand new, beautiful home, right? But they go, "Oh

[1:09:19] man, that that sewer line's about 100 feet to the to the street. You know

[1:09:22] what? I'm going to take my neighbors and I'm just going to go ahead and dock it

[1:09:26] up to theirs 10 feet away, right? Let me just dock that thing up. If anything

[1:09:30] happens to it, you know what? You're liable for it." Right? And the argument

[1:09:34] is, okay, like, well, you know what? Like we were sharing sprinkler lines

[1:09:38] before, kind of like the the West project where we were just sharing a

[1:09:42] little bit because it was open 8 to 5 or whatever it was at Westad, right?

[1:09:46] They're they're flushing some toilets, whatever. They're not not a big impact

[1:09:50] on our sewer line. But now you want to connect, coming back to my analogy, you

[1:09:54] want to connect to my house and you want to give me 3% and if it goes bad, you're

[1:10:00] on you're on the hook for it, right? And this isn't just a College Park East

[1:10:03] problem. This is a this is a seal beast problem. Okay. So, if that goes down

[1:10:07] right now, we're now as Seal Beach, we're now we're on the hook, not just

[1:10:12] College Park East. So, you really got to think about this is two different

[1:10:14] arguments from what's what's happened along the state. And this is a this is

[1:10:20] think about the precedence that we're setting that one city can tell another

[1:10:24] city basically, we're going to go ahead and let let this process

[1:10:28] we're going to make you take the liability. Hey, if you can get a letter

[1:10:31] from the developer saying if this goes bad, we're going to pay for that. I'm

[1:10:36] all about it. Let's do it. I'm not an MB. I'm not against the development. But

[1:10:40] I am against someone saying you're going to be liable for something that I want

[1:10:43] to do. Okay. Think about this, too, right? Like the sewer line's not

[1:10:47] perfect. You know, I've heard people say, "Why don't you go out the city for

[1:10:51] not fixing the sewer line?" Well, we want you to fix the sewer line, right?

[1:10:54] It's bubbling up in there when it when it the heavy rains. Um, we I mean it's

[1:10:59] well documented what's going on in that. I don't need to keep talking about it,

[1:11:03] but kind of my thing is like you have something that's working. Every once in

[1:11:07] a while you got to repair it and make it happen, but if you put such a heavy load

[1:11:10] and it becomes where it's not repairable anymore, who's going to fix that? Right?

[1:11:16] So, my thing is we got to we got to hold our ground on this. You know, I know

[1:11:19] there's lobbyists going on in Sacramento with big money trying to push this, but

[1:11:25] at the end of the day, this is a whole other argument than we're talking about.

[1:11:28] So, you got to hold you got to hold steady. I know it's going to be hard,

[1:11:32] right? I know it's hard for us, but at the end of the day, for $1 million, and

[1:11:35] I read the different things. What about the long term? We're not talking about

[1:11:39] just for the next couple years. We're talking long term. There's no school bus

[1:11:44] that I mean, that's ridiculous that there's no school bus that can go into

[1:11:46] this prop property. you have 100,000 for a crossing guard who in five years now

[1:11:52] you have no money and these kids are going to be crossing the street. No

[1:11:54] one's going to be picking up that liability. Um we just got to think about

[1:11:59] um how how we're going to make sure that we hold our line. Um and I and I feel

[1:12:04] for for residents in Oldtown. We all feel for each other. I know there's a

[1:12:07] lot going on in Long Beach with all those developments, okay? But we got to

[1:12:10] control what we can control. And the one thing we can control is the fact that

[1:12:14] they got a will serve letter from Rossmore Los Al sewer district, not Seal

[1:12:19] Beach. Give them all the permits to tear it all down. You can tear down whatever

[1:12:22] you want. You want to fix the electrical, go for it. Sewer line, you

[1:12:26] said you were going to build it from your project to Rossmore Lostell sewer

[1:12:30] district. Good luck. Do it. I'm all for it. Tear up the streets. Build it. Okay,

[1:12:36] that's fine. Do what you got to do. >> 30 seconds. But let's make sure that

[1:12:40] last thing I want to say, please don't fold to the lawyers, to the letters.

[1:12:47] Please make sure that you take care of Sil Beach residents. This is going to

[1:12:50] greatly impact um not just Callsburg East, but Sil Beach. Thank you very

[1:12:55] much. >> Thank you, Dan.

[1:13:01] » Is there anyone else who wishes to address the council?

[1:13:06] Going once, going twice. Okay. By motion of the city council, this is the time to

[1:13:11] notify the public of any changes to the agenda and or rearrange the order of the

[1:13:14] agenda. Does anyone want to pull a consent calendar item?

[1:13:21] » Um, I'm going to be pulling item F and item G. Uh, does anybody else want to

[1:13:26] pull an item? No. Okay. Um at this time I'd like to

[1:13:30] ask um community development director Sean Temple to uh give us a overview of

[1:13:36] item F and G.

[1:13:45] Okay. And then after Okay. Um we're going to change that a

[1:13:50] little bit. Um I'd like to call for a motion and a second to approve tonight's

[1:13:54] agenda.

[1:14:04] You want to >> refresh?

[1:14:09] Refresh. I have a motion by council member

[1:14:13] Calmeck. Do we have a second? >> I second.

[1:14:19] » We have a second by Mayor Pro Tim Wong. Council member Calman. How do you vote?

[1:14:26] Yes. >> Mayor Pro Tim Wong, how do you vote?

[1:14:28] » Yes. >> Council member Still, how do you vote?

[1:14:30] » Yes. >> Council member Senagle, how do you vote?

[1:14:32] » Yes. >> And Mayor Landau, how do you vote?

[1:14:34] » Yes. >> Motion carries, five votes. Yes.

[1:14:36] » Thank you. >> Okay. Now, on to reports. Um, city

[1:14:42] attorney uh Gerelli, do you have anything to report?

[1:14:44] » Yes. Thank you, Madame Mayor. The city council met in close session this

[1:14:48] afternoon to discuss the three items on the posted agenda. All five council

[1:14:51] members were present uh but no reportable action was taken. And I will

[1:14:56] just provide a brief response to the questions of comments about the LAR

[1:14:59] project at 4665 Lamson. Uh the developer has submitted a letter to the city uh

[1:15:07] disclosing that they have pivoted to uh building their their sewer line down

[1:15:11] Lamson to connect to the Rossmore Los Alamos area sewer district. They still

[1:15:15] have requested to connect to the city sewer system and the city has responded

[1:15:20] with a letter saying that in order to do that again uh a sewer study of the

[1:15:25] impacts of that project on the city's sewer infrastructure would need to be

[1:15:29] conducted and to be proactive about it the city has initiated that study and it

[1:15:34] is currently ongoing and once that study is prepared it will be evaluated to

[1:15:39] determine what the impacts on the city's infrastructure are and to respond to the

[1:15:45] community benefits that the uh developer has proposed. But until then uh for the

[1:15:51] time being that the developer is moving forward with the uh sewer connection to

[1:15:55] the Ross Mor Los Alamos Area Sewer District. That's all.

[1:15:59] » Thank you, City Manager Gyos. >> Uh yes, thank you, Mayor. Good evening,

[1:16:03] uh Mayor, members of the city council, and members of the public. On March

[1:16:06] 14th, I attended the Orange County Fire Authorities annual open house, which

[1:16:10] which was a huge success. Uh so thank you OCFA for inviting us. Uh this was an

[1:16:15] opportunity for the community uh members across Orange County to meet their

[1:16:19] firefighters toward the headquarters and learn learn more about OCFA's core

[1:16:23] services. Uh we appreciate OCFA's continued partnership and their

[1:16:27] commitment to community outreach and public safety. Thank you very much. Last

[1:16:31] Friday, March 20 20th, uh spring kicked off with ver the our very first uh Seal

[1:16:35] Beach Farmers Market uh which was mentioned earlier at the base of the

[1:16:38] pier and Eisenhower Park. Our hope with this event is that it will provide

[1:16:42] residents and visitors a safe and community uh communal opportunity to do

[1:16:46] some local shopping. Uh the city will continue to monitor the market over the

[1:16:50] next few months to ensure that it evolves and offers opportunities that

[1:16:54] are reflective of the Seal Beach community. Lastly, our staff attended

[1:16:57] the Cal City's division uh meeting where Orange County Sheriff Don Barnes served

[1:17:02] as a guest speaker. Thank you, management analyst Lauren Parish, for uh

[1:17:05] for being uh present uh on our behalf. This meeting also included updates on

[1:17:10] several legislative items are currently being monitored. Uh as always, we'll

[1:17:14] continue to actively partner with Calities to stay informed uh and engage

[1:17:17] on legislative issues that may impact Seal Beach. With that, uh that ends my

[1:17:22] report. Mayor,

[1:17:32] » sorry about that. Um Councilman Steel, do you have anything to report?

[1:17:37] Thank you, mayor. Um, I attended the Orange County Older Adult Advisory

[1:17:42] Commission meeting a week and a half ago, something like that. Um, I

[1:17:46] explained, we talked about the older adult uh advisory uh commission last

[1:17:51] meeting, and so I won't repeat any of that stuff. Also attended the Orange

[1:17:54] County Mosquito Vector uh control district where we formally accepted the

[1:18:00] design build $10 million project by the whole board of trustees.

[1:18:06] I also attended Cal City's Orange County Division um uh meeting that we had with

[1:18:14] um Sheriff Don Barnes who gave a uh kind of an assessment, an overall assessment

[1:18:19] of uh the risk profiles that we face in Orange County here. It's a lot more

[1:18:23] complex than we sitting in Seal Beach can even possibly imagine. One of the

[1:18:28] highlights that he had for me is the risk that we have from swarms of armed

[1:18:35] drones. And I'm going like, how can that affect us? But apparently it's in the

[1:18:41] risk profile somewhere. And he he said we really don't have a good response for

[1:18:44] that yet. But they're working on it. But nonetheless, he's a a great sheriff and

[1:18:49] I enjoyed listening to him. I enjoyed being at the opening of Nashville on the

[1:18:53] Coast. If you guys do not go out to any of these Nashville on the coast, you are

[1:18:57] missing it. These these musicians are really top drawer. They are absolutely

[1:19:03] unequivocally top drawer. One of them is actually appeared on The Voice. Am I Am

[1:19:08] I not mistaken on that? That was terrific to see these people and listen

[1:19:11] to the songs they write and they sing these things and they're really talented

[1:19:15] musicians. So find a time to get to Nashville on. Do we have another one

[1:19:19] this year or is that it? >> We'll have popups throughout the year.

[1:19:22] » Okay. So, we'll seriously they get top door musicians on these things and it's

[1:19:27] a it's a good time by all and I had a good time too. Uh let's see. I did

[1:19:32] coffee with the chief. It was good to be at uh Bogarts and see the chief and meet

[1:19:36] folks and talk to folks. And the farmers market was outstanding people. This is

[1:19:41] really really a great farmers market. I bought a I bought a couple of bagels. I

[1:19:47] have a theory about bagels and their quality. The closer you get to New York

[1:19:50] City, the better the bagels. We're a long way from New York City here and

[1:19:54] those bagels were pretty good. So, and a loaf of bread and the guys got balsamic

[1:19:59] vinegar and things like that. So, I spend about 20 bucks. It was good to be

[1:20:02] there and uh take advantage. It's uh it's very pleasant place to be anyway.

[1:20:06] Uh but the farmers market was great. So, thank you to

[1:20:11] our folks in city hall who brought that and made that be. And so, that's my

[1:20:16] report. >> Thank you very much, Councilman Kelmick.

[1:20:21] Thank you, mayor. Uh I also attended the uh the grand opening of the Nashville on

[1:20:26] the coast. Um and I have the same would echo the same comments that others have

[1:20:31] made. But I also want to point out that by having these events, the benefits

[1:20:35] that it brings to our city. Um it's something else that our residents can

[1:20:40] get interested in and excited about and and it it brings more revenue to us. Uh

[1:20:48] so again, thank you to Darren and and everybody that put that on. It's really

[1:20:52] something. I I attended my um monthly rivers and mountains conservancy meeting

[1:21:00] where we are, you know, continuing to fund projects up and down the uh the San

[1:21:06] Gabriel and the lower Los Angeles rivers. I attended the watershed

[1:21:12] conservation authority board meeting that I sit on and um we gave out more

[1:21:17] money for more projects that extend all the way up into the watershed uh into

[1:21:22] the San Gabriel Mountains. Uh I also attended the uh the farmers market. I

[1:21:28] want to thank Peter from the chamber and Tim Kelsey and all the rest of our staff

[1:21:34] that um put it on. It it looked to be a very smooth operation. Um, I was there

[1:21:40] off and on from 9 until 2 and there were people shopping all day long and with in

[1:21:48] a sense very little publicity. Uh, there's going to be, for those that

[1:21:52] aren't aware, there'll be more vendors that will be coming to the market who

[1:21:56] are still in the process of getting Orange County approval, uh, you know,

[1:22:00] for being able to sell food. I think there's going to be a fish monger um

[1:22:05] which again should uh really bring us some opportunities to get some some

[1:22:11] great fresh produce and some other products. I attended the coffee with the

[1:22:17] chief to offer some moral support. We had a nice turnout of folks coming and I

[1:22:21] I think it's really a tribute um to the chief and our department that they're

[1:22:27] willing to step out and engage with the public. There's no rules. There's no you

[1:22:33] can't ask us about this or that. You know, he's there to talk to you and

[1:22:38] engage with whatever comments or questions that you might have and follow

[1:22:42] up. And that's basically my report. I do want to make an acknowledgement that I I

[1:22:47] just found out actually in the paper uh the passing of a Seal Beach resident,

[1:22:51] Phil Bush. Uh my knew Phil for you know 50ome years. Uh he was a volunteer

[1:22:58] firefighter in town and was well known in Oldtown um as a physical fitness guy.

[1:23:04] He was uh a plumbing contractor and um you know he will be missed. So I just

[1:23:09] wanted to acknowledge that. Thank you. >> Thank you, Councilwoman Synle.

[1:23:13] » Thank you, Mayor. Uh first of all, I wanted to um give a shout out to our

[1:23:18] Lions. We have a property in College Park East on Rose Street where our

[1:23:22] resident did pass sadly and the um lawn is quite high and um just the and the uh

[1:23:31] frontage to it as well. So, thank you Sean for working with the Lions. We're

[1:23:35] going to have the Lions out tomorrow at 4 for a mow the lawn. And uh our Lions

[1:23:41] are just uh fantastic. They're fast and they can help us out in a pinch. And so,

[1:23:46] um, our residents in that area will appreciate we want to get those weeds

[1:23:49] down, uh, for the mosquitoes and little critters that live in there. So, thank

[1:23:54] you for arranging that and thank you to the Lions. Uh, number two, wanted to

[1:23:58] mention we've had a lot of, uh, College Park East residents in tonight to talk

[1:24:02] about the Lamson project. Um, the school bus, the left turn lane, the parking

[1:24:06] discussion. Um, I have been working on all these with our public works or with

[1:24:11] PD. We've been into a lot of discussions about what we can do for a parking

[1:24:14] district. Um and so again, these things are all being discussed and we'll um

[1:24:19] keep moving till we can get some solutions there. Also want to mention

[1:24:23] the League of Cities um that has been discussed this week, Thursday, Friday.

[1:24:28] All of their policy committees are meeting in Anaheim. These are statewide

[1:24:32] city council people who serve on committees and everything. Uh I mean

[1:24:37] pretty much every topic. Um I happen to be on the energy committee and they vet

[1:24:41] legislation or regulatory issues coming from the state house and so um I'll

[1:24:46] report back on uh some of the um positions that are taking uh Nashville

[1:24:51] on the coast. Um thank you for the opening and I met beach cowboy.

[1:24:58] I thought that was fantastic. So again um thank you for inviting us.

[1:25:03] » Thank you very much Mayor Prom. >> Uh thank you mayor. um since our March

[1:25:08] 9th last council meeting. I uh also attended on Tuesday, March 10th, um the

[1:25:13] road club meeting. Briefly stopped by to hear Mayor Landau's u uh recap for the

[1:25:19] year. Um fortunately, I had to leave midway, but it still was a great

[1:25:23] meeting. Um on March 11th, on Wednesday, I also attended the beginning of

[1:25:28] Nashville on the coast. Again, very excited. So to see the it kick off and

[1:25:33] um it was a great venue especially I I very very much like the stage setup. On

[1:25:38] uh March 13th uh on Friday I attended the Yakoot uh probiotic factory in

[1:25:45] Fountain Valley tour. This was uh hosted by Assemblyman uh Tree Top and there we

[1:25:50] tooured the Yakoot probiotic factory. I didn't even know it was there to be

[1:25:55] honest with you and my son drinks that every day, right? And so it's good for

[1:25:58] your gut. And then it was a great tour. Um on March 17th, um on a Zoom call, I

[1:26:05] did a um I guess log in and uh watch the Cal Chow Chambers roundt network meeting

[1:26:11] on best practices. And then uh later that same day, that afternoon, I and

[1:26:16] myself with Patty Sakow um attended the Chamber of Commerce meeting with the

[1:26:20] city where we met with President Richie Barnes and city staff as well. And then

[1:26:25] uh this past Saturday on March 21st, I attended the Americana, the 51st annual

[1:26:31] awards uh ceremony. Um Chief Henderson was there as well with his wife and

[1:26:36] there we were there um hosted by Cypress College to celebrate our very own Seal

[1:26:41] Beach Ray Longoria and the Lions turned out in force. So that was great as well.

[1:26:46] And so that was a fantastic evening. So I very much enjoyed it. Um, lastly

[1:26:52] before I wrap up tonight, um, I do want to address the the issue that has been

[1:26:57] before us for some time now regarding College Park West and the Hannes Bridge,

[1:27:02] Hannes Pipeline and College Park West bridge. Um, for some that you may know

[1:27:07] or some that may not know, uh, this has been, uh, ongoing issue. And so to give

[1:27:12] you a very broad summary and recap, College Park West, if many aren't

[1:27:17] familiar with the neighborhood, uh it's in my district. Um I'm also a resident

[1:27:21] there. There's just over 300 residences in this uh neighborhood. And there is

[1:27:26] only one way in, one way out across this bridge. It is by far um some love it

[1:27:33] because of the safety, because the one way in, some hate it because there's

[1:27:36] only one exit. But that bridge is obviously without saying too much, it's

[1:27:40] essential to the neighborhood. This bridge, however, is owned and operated

[1:27:45] by Long Beach. And so the idea that's before us is that LWP is wanting to

[1:27:51] install some pipelines to the bridge. Now, this has become an ongoing topic.

[1:27:57] Um, starting really in January 2025, we had a public College Park West

[1:28:03] neighborhood and there we invited representatives for both Long Beach City

[1:28:07] Utilities and as well as um, LWP and there we had a a public discussion very

[1:28:14] a very uh, animated discussion I will say at the park but the turnout was

[1:28:18] great. Since then, in July of that same of same time last year, we had a

[1:28:23] subsequent meeting at the Hannes pipeline uh with both uh Mayor Landal

[1:28:27] and myself and public works director uh Iris Lee to see on find out on any

[1:28:32] updates. Since then, since July, we had a third

[1:28:36] meeting and this was uh basically topped off in November of last year, November

[1:28:41] 2025. And this was at the tennis pickleball center and there LWP agreed

[1:28:46] to come back out again and there we met with they met with essentially Color

[1:28:52] Park West residents to discuss the issue. Since then um we have not had

[1:28:57] much communication with Long Beach or LEWP. Yet at the same time we've begin

[1:29:02] to see u some engineers and consultants come and start to take measurements of

[1:29:07] where they intend to basically look for a right of way. And so at this point

[1:29:12] right now, I would like to ask um city manager Patrick Ayos if he can now add a

[1:29:18] future item to the agenda and to basically help organize and then

[1:29:23] officially uh give clear direction to city staff on both terms to a potential

[1:29:28] franchise agreement on what would be in the best interest of the city of Seal

[1:29:32] Beach and College Park West residents as well as task excuse me

[1:29:38] basically conduct or hire an independent study of the welfare and the safety of

[1:29:42] the bridge and how it might affect our residents.

[1:29:46] » Thank you, council member. Uh I know this is a very important uh issue for

[1:29:50] not only the city but uh your neighborhood. Uh and you've been really

[1:29:54] great in in taking the time and uh being very deliberate and thoughtful to work

[1:29:57] with the residents out there. So we appreciate that. Uh and certainly we uh

[1:30:00] will take your direction so long as the council agrees uh and move in that

[1:30:04] direction. >> Thank you.

[1:30:07] » Thank you. Okay. Um, I will make mine quick because I know there's a lot of

[1:30:11] people waiting, uh, to be recognized. So, um, uh, I don't think I can describe

[1:30:16] all of the events that have occurred, um, any better than my colleagues have.

[1:30:19] Nashville on the coast. Darren, you knocked it out of the park again. Um, I

[1:30:23] want to thank Chad, uh, Seal Beach City Rotary for inviting me to do give an

[1:30:28] update uh, on the city and I want to thank staff. You guys did a great job

[1:30:32] supporting me, so thank you for that. Um, I also want to recognize Terry Young

[1:30:37] as uh her um woman of the year of distinction uh from Senator Strickland.

[1:30:43] And then last but not least, um I attended uh the funeral for our planning

[1:30:48] commissioner Rich Kohl's. It wasn't his funeral, I'm sorry, his uh bench um

[1:30:54] memorial. Um and staff did such an amazing job. Um the family was so happy.

[1:31:00] um they the family got the bench where they wanted it to be and it was just a

[1:31:03] beautiful beautiful event. So um I want to thank staff for supporting that

[1:31:08] family and and making sure it was a beautiful day for them. And that is all

[1:31:12] I have right now. Um we are moving on to the consent calendar. Items on the

[1:31:16] consent calendar are considered to be routine and are enacted by a single

[1:31:20] motion with the exception of items removed by council members. I'd like to

[1:31:24] call for a motion and a second to approve the consent calendar with the

[1:31:28] exception of any item pulled. >> It has been moved by Mayor Pro Tim Wong

[1:31:32] and second by council member Synle. Please cast your vote.

[1:31:40] Mayor Landal. Are you a yes?

[1:31:44] » Yes. >> Motion carries five votes. Yes.

[1:31:48] » Thank you very much.

[1:31:52] Okay. Okay, now on to items removed from the consent calendar. Um, I would like

[1:31:57] to call on Director Temple for a staff report.

[1:32:02] » Thank you very much, Mayor. Good evening, council members. Uh, good

[1:32:05] evening, city manager. Uh, item F tonight is regarding the appointment of

[1:32:12] of uh citizen to of committee members to a proposed citizen council business

[1:32:18] first advisory ad hoc committee. Um, as some background, on November 8th, the

[1:32:23] city held a public strategic planning meeting in which the the council

[1:32:28] identified goals that they wanted to look at in the upcoming year. One of

[1:32:31] those being economic development. And as a key priority, uh, staff was directed

[1:32:36] to create a committee that would serve as a collaborative forum, uh, between

[1:32:41] the city and and and members of the community in furthering those goals with

[1:32:45] some of the priorities being developing a business concierge program uh,

[1:32:49] reviewing potential updates to the main street specific plan and evaluating

[1:32:53] beautifification and revitalization efforts. And so the item before you

[1:32:57] tonight members are being proposed for ratification by council.

[1:33:03] » Thank you very much. Uh do any council members have questions?

[1:33:08] » Go. Okay. >> Okay. Uh I would like to take a moment

[1:33:14] to uh address this um and to address the committee appointments to ensure we are

[1:33:19] being consistent and fair in our process. As we reviewed the

[1:33:23] applications, there were a couple of candidates who submitted after the

[1:33:27] stated deadline. While the deadline itself is not binding, I think it is

[1:33:31] important that we apply our process consistently and be mindful of those who

[1:33:35] submitted their applications within the original time frame. In that spirit, I'm

[1:33:40] proposing to move forward with the candidates from the original applicant

[1:33:44] pool selecting in the order in which applications were received. This

[1:33:48] approach assures fairness, transparency, and consistency for all applicants. With

[1:33:54] that um being said, I would like to make a motion to adjust the appointments

[1:33:59] accordingly. I'll make a motion to approve the committee appointments with

[1:34:02] the following revisions. Replace Woody Woodruff with Natalie Wilson on the

[1:34:07] business first committee and replace Sher Drum um with Lynette Van Voris on

[1:34:13] the Olympic Committee. Can I get a motion in a second?

[1:34:21] It has been second by council member Cyn. Please cast your vote.

[1:34:29] » That'll be a yes for me. Motion carries. Five votes. Yes.

[1:34:34] Thank you very much. >> And may I ask mayor is um are any of the

[1:34:38] members u for the business first ad hoc committee here? Oh, sorry. Excuse me. I

[1:34:42] spoke out of turn. Apologies. >> Um okay. At this time, I'd like to ask

[1:34:46] the appointees to the Citizen Council Olympic Advisory Adoc Committee to

[1:34:50] please stand and be recognized. >> What committee? Just one?

[1:34:55] » The Olympic. >> Oh, no. Was it the business first?

[1:34:58] » No. Well, that's >> Oh,

[1:35:01] so if you're if you're if you were selected on the the Olympic committee,

[1:35:05] please rise.

[1:35:09] » Yes. >> And

[1:35:16] Will everyone state their name? >> Christine B

[1:35:23] » Catherine Walter >> Rich

[1:35:27] Evan Moore >> Margo Wheeler.

[1:35:31] » Thank you.

[1:35:36] » Congratulations on your appointment to the Citizens Council Olympic Advisory

[1:35:39] Adoc Committee. We thank you for your commitment and your willingness to serve

[1:35:43] the Seal Beach community. We look forward to working with you. It's going

[1:35:48] to be fun. Okay. Now, I would like to ask the appointees to the Citizen

[1:35:52] Council Business First Advisory Ad Hoc Committee to please stand.

[1:36:00] State your names. Steve Briggs,

[1:36:06] » Rosie Richie, >> Cory Deleó.

[1:36:11] » Thank you. Congratulations on your appointment to the Citizen Council

[1:36:15] Business First Advisory Adoc Committee. We thank you for your commitment and

[1:36:19] your work and your willingness to serve the Seal Beach community. We look

[1:36:23] forward to working with you. Thank you,

[1:36:30] » Madame Mayor. Before we move off of the consent calendar, I needed to make one

[1:36:34] quick announcement on item H. Um the employment agreement for the director of

[1:36:39] community development, a recent change in the Brown Act requires that for all

[1:36:44] department heads, now an oral summary of the compensation to uh and employment

[1:36:49] agreement needs to be made at that meeting. And so I just wanted to

[1:36:53] announce that the annual salary will be $188,899.60,

[1:36:58] which is step two in the pay scale for the classification. and the benefits are

[1:37:02] the same same as other executive managers. And thank you.

[1:37:05] » Thank you very much. Okay, we are now going to move on, but again, I want to

[1:37:10] thank everybody for um submitting their applications. And we're really excited

[1:37:14] to um see what we can come up with for the Olympics and how to make Seal Beach

[1:37:19] successful with that and then also uh help strengthen our business community

[1:37:23] and our main street. So, thank you all again.

[1:37:29] Okay, now we are moving on. Oh, wait. We need to vote. Oh, we did. We did. I'm

[1:37:35] sorry. I'm still sick, so forgive me. Okay, now we're moving on to new

[1:37:40] business. Um, and I would like to call on management analyst Barrett.

[1:38:01] Thank you, honorable mayor and city council. It's a pleasure to be present

[1:38:06] this evening and to present about the waste infrastructure enterprise, also

[1:38:11] known as WISE agreement. >> Debbie Kelly from Republic Services is

[1:38:17] also joining. Thank you. I was hoping Chief Bailey would click click through

[1:38:22] me, but okay. Um, Debbie Killy from Republic Services is also joining us

[1:38:28] this evening, and we're happy to answer any questions you may have after the

[1:38:32] presentation.

[1:38:36] » First, I'd like to share an executive summary. The action requested is for

[1:38:41] council to adopt the wise agreement with Orange County Waste and Recycling. I'll

[1:38:46] be referring to them as the county or OCWNR.

[1:38:50] Um, adoption of the WISE agreement ensures stable long-term disposal rates,

[1:38:55] modernizes terms, and maintains participation benefits.

[1:39:01] The impact of adoption includes phase disposal rate increases beginning in

[1:39:05] fiscal year 2026 to 2027, July 1st of this year. Residential and commercial

[1:39:12] bills will increase in July 2026 per the franchise terms with Republic Services.

[1:39:18] The term of the agreement is 10 years with one optional 10-year extension.

[1:39:27] Now, I'll offer additional background. The current waste disposal agreement or

[1:39:31] the WDA governs disposal at Orange County waste and recycling landfills.

[1:39:37] Cities and sanitary districts deposit waste at OCWNR landfills for stable

[1:39:42] rates. The Senate The city entered into the WDA in 2009 and it was amended in

[1:39:48] 2016. OCWNR introduced the new WISE agreement

[1:39:52] as WDA neared the June 30th, 2025 expiration date. Upon review, the Orange

[1:39:59] County City Managers Association, of which Patrick, our city manager, Gyos,

[1:40:04] is a member, um requested a 12-month extension to

[1:40:08] negotiate with OCWNR for better terms. Cities, including Seal Beach, adopted

[1:40:14] amendments to extend the WDA term to expire on June 30th, 2026. To allow time

[1:40:20] for this negotiate negotiation, OCCMA convened a working group of

[1:40:25] subject matter experts to negotiate on behalf of the cities. So why is there a

[1:40:31] need for a new agreement as opposed to extending the term of the current WDA?

[1:40:35] The current WDA limits increases to consumer price index only and does not

[1:40:41] reflect rising operational, regulatory, and environmental compliance costs. And

[1:40:47] the county needs capital for landfill closure and capacity expansion to

[1:40:51] continue meeting the needs of the county.

[1:40:57] The key provisions negotiated are the result of the negotiations that occurred

[1:41:03] between OCWR and OCCMA. It was adopted by the board of

[1:41:08] supervisors in January and now it is time for the cities to consider it. Key

[1:41:14] provisions negotiated by OCCMA and included in the wise agreement include

[1:41:19] the rate structure phase rates for this fiscal year through 2028-29

[1:41:25] CPI adjustments beginning in 2029 to30 a slower increase than originally proposed

[1:41:32] by OCWR an annual true-up process starting in

[1:41:36] 2030 um where they may free CPI adjustments

[1:41:41] depending on OCWR cost recovery and tonnage revenue and cities may initiate

[1:41:46] meet and confer with review by an independent consultant. Continuing on,

[1:41:51] transparency and oversight, annual review and notification provisions

[1:41:56] ensuring OCCMA participation and visibility, risk mitigation removed

[1:42:01] language that would make cities financially responsible for hauler

[1:42:04] non-payment. A blended CPI index was adopted with a blend of including solid

[1:42:11] waste and the all urban consumers index and organics flexibility which remove

[1:42:18] the requirement to send all of the organics to OCWNR.

[1:42:22] The county will offer the optional organic processing services agreement,

[1:42:27] but staff does not recommend executing the optional agreement at this time, and

[1:42:32] the city will continue utilizing Republic's option as it is most

[1:42:35] cost-effective. Of note, cities must adopt WISE by April

[1:42:41] 30th, 2026 to secure these rates. Otherwise, cities are subject to a 10%

[1:42:47] increase. I also wanted to briefly share an update on where we're at with

[1:42:51] adoption by the cities as this is not just for Seal Beach. All cities in

[1:42:56] Orange County are currently going through the same process. So cities that

[1:43:00] have adopted wise as of tonight include Laguna Woods, Villa Park, Fullerton, the

[1:43:06] Midway City Sanitary District, Rancho Santa Margarita, Dana Point, and Tustin.

[1:43:11] And in addition to Seal Beach, the cities of Los Alamidos and Costa Mesa

[1:43:16] are considering WISE this evening as well. And according to the OCCMA subject

[1:43:22] matter expert lead, we have not heard of any cities that are not moving forward

[1:43:26] with WISE. All replied with moving forward.

[1:43:32] Let's talk about the financial impact. Keep in mind that WISE is an agreement

[1:43:37] between OCW and R and the city and our franchise agreement is between the city

[1:43:42] and republic services. They are interrelated and I hope I can clarify

[1:43:48] any confusion that might exist. But talking now about how wise impacts the

[1:43:52] franchise agreement in terms of financials.

[1:43:56] Republic rates use a blended formula for annual increases where 70% is adjusted

[1:44:01] based on CPI and the remaining 30% is adjusted based on landfill tipping fees.

[1:44:07] These are the fees where when a truck is going to drop off trash at the county

[1:44:14] landfill. These are the fees we're talking about

[1:44:17] under WISE. The disposal rate will increase from 43.76

[1:44:23] to $67 per ton on July 1st of 2026. Um, keep in mind that while this is an

[1:44:33] increase, the original request prior to OCCMA negotiation was $82 per ton. So,

[1:44:40] the middle ground was $67 per ton. And again, this is the cost of depositing

[1:44:45] trash at the landfill. Under the city's current solid waste hauler agreement,

[1:44:51] this increase in tipping fees is passed directly through to solid waste

[1:44:54] collection accounts. And these higher tipping fees will help will result in

[1:45:00] higher rates. Here we can see the wise rate structure as well as the republic

[1:45:05] services customer rates change from the current fiscal year to the next fiscal

[1:45:10] year. And these rates would become effective on July 1st of this year.

[1:45:17] Before opening it up to questions, I'll close with alternatives and

[1:45:21] recommendation. First, alternatives. OCWNR owns all of the landfills in

[1:45:26] Orange County. In theory, waste could be taken outside of the county and

[1:45:31] deposited elsewhere. In practice, this would be more expensive due to increases

[1:45:36] in labor and transportation fees. In addition to being subject to a public

[1:45:41] disposal rates outside of the county, this is something that Debbie and I

[1:45:45] talked about and it is the more cost-effective option to execute WISE at

[1:45:50] this time. As far as we know, as mentioned again, no cities are not

[1:45:54] signing WISE and staff's recommendation is to execute the WISE agreement to

[1:45:59] ensure stable disposal and low rates which is in the public interest.

[1:46:04] Thank you for your time this evening and Debbie and I will be happy to answer any

[1:46:08] questions you may have. >> Is there any comments or questions?

[1:46:17] » Did I hear you say correctly that all of the OCWR owns all of the waste sites in

[1:46:23] Orange County? >> The landfills. Yes.

[1:46:25] » The landfills. So, we're really talking about landfill usage here. And is this

[1:46:29] where we currently are with Republic? So my our friends at Republic, we're not

[1:46:36] changing out companies, bins, infrastructure at all. We're still uh

[1:46:42] » Yeah, it's it's only the trash that's going to those landfills.

[1:46:46] » Okay. And are you currently dumping into these the trash into these sites?

[1:46:51] » Yes. >> And of course, we're paying what? $43

[1:46:53] now, and it's going up to 67 in one fell swoop. That's pretty big step

[1:46:59] » right there%. But that's not for you. That's what

[1:47:03] » that's the landfill. >> The landfill gets that moneyated here

[1:47:06] because only 30% of your service rates or of your rate is made from that.

[1:47:12] » But this is smooth in terms of Republic and your operations. Correct.

[1:47:17] » This is smooth. Yes. Same same place we're going.

[1:47:19] » Thank you. I appreciate that. >> If I may, mayor.

[1:47:24] And then uh based on the upon the readings um this does not include the SB

[1:47:29] 1383 which is the how to deal with organics or as far as being the unfunded

[1:47:35] state mandate. So just as just for clarification for the audience um this

[1:47:40] uh trash increase will not include uh dealing with organics. Is that correct?

[1:47:44] » Correct. This is for the city's current franchise agreement. As you know, we're

[1:47:49] in negotiations with Republic to get into compliance with SP 1383 and yes,

[1:47:55] rates would be adjusted at that time. >> Thank you.

[1:48:01] » Um, similar question on the organics. When will we see that rate increase? 6

[1:48:06] months, 10 years, make it 20.

[1:48:12] » We're certainly um always very sensitive to any rate increases. Um, so we're

[1:48:18] looking at all options as we continue negotiations because they are ongoing ne

[1:48:24] negotiations. Honestly, not sure how much I can say up here publicly. I can

[1:48:29] happily turn it over to public works director Lee or our city attorney.

[1:48:35] » Okay, thank you for your question, Council

[1:48:39] Member Senle. Um, just like U management analyst Burch just said, uh, we are

[1:48:43] currently in active negotiations. While we do have a target of trying to get

[1:48:48] this accomplished as soon as possible, we do not have a definitive date that we

[1:48:51] could present at this time.

[1:48:55] » Okay. So, our just again where Council Member Wong, excuse me, Mayor Prom Wong

[1:48:59] was stating um we just want to make sure people know that there isn't a different

[1:49:04] rate increase coming down the road. Okay.

[1:49:08] » Another can. >> What?

[1:49:10] » Any other? >> And another can. Not everybody's getting

[1:49:13] a can though, right? on the organics. >> Um, most residents already have three

[1:49:19] containers like College Park residents. So, it would just be the residents that

[1:49:22] only have trash and recycle right now. They would be getting a third cart. So,

[1:49:26] it' be a three cart program is what we've been negotiating.

[1:49:29] » Um, and what if those carts don't fit and some of our alleys are super narrow

[1:49:33] and people don't even have space? >> So, the the um the law allows for

[1:49:39] waivers. So, property owners that have a space constraint, we can definitely work

[1:49:43] with them. do a waiver >> on a waiver.

[1:49:47] » Any other comments or questions, >> Patty?

[1:49:52] » Oh, I'm uh No, I'm I'm good. Sorry. >> Okay. There's a lot going on in the

[1:49:57] trash world. So, >> thank you, Lauren and Debbie. Thank you

[1:50:00] for coming tonight. I appreciate it. Um I'd like to call for a motion in a

[1:50:04] second, please. >> It has been moved by Council Member

[1:50:07] Calmic and second by Council Member Steel.

[1:50:11] Please cast your vote.

[1:50:17] That would be a yes. Motion carries. Five votes. Yes.

[1:50:20] » Thank you, ladies. >> Thank you.

[1:50:24] » Okay. Now, moving on to public hearing. Uh consideration of amendments to the

[1:50:29] zoning code to implement the housing element relating to farmworker housing

[1:50:33] density bonus, minimum unit sizes, and parking standards for studios and

[1:50:38] one-bedroom units. And I would like to call upon interim uh director

[1:50:43] Temple. >> Thank you, mayor. Good evening again,

[1:50:48] council, city manager. The item tonight is a public hearing regarding zoning

[1:50:52] zoning code amendments, text amendments related to the imple implementing the

[1:50:58] adopted housing element. To provide some background, city council

[1:51:04] adopted the current cycle of the housing element on October 27th of last year.

[1:51:11] Uh, and the HCD issued finally issued us the letter

[1:51:17] of being in compliance on fe February 26th. And yes, if you do the math,

[1:51:21] that's took them four months to do that. Um, we are in compliance. Uh, which is

[1:51:27] good news. However, in that letter, they also reminded us that we are m are

[1:51:32] required to timely implement uh some some of the statemandated programs that

[1:51:38] are related to the housing element. Then the purpose of the those programs are to

[1:51:43] remove regulatory barriers to housing, promote housing for all income levels

[1:51:48] and special needs groups, maintain housing affordability, and to further

[1:51:53] fair fair housing.

[1:51:56] the programs being presented to council tonight. Uh uh the first being program

[1:52:02] 1Q, farmworker housing. This doesn't necessarily apply to the city of Seal

[1:52:07] Beach, but it's it's the state has a one-sizefitit all in a lot of their

[1:52:12] programs, and there are several communities throughout California that

[1:52:15] have farm workers that that are in need of housing. Uh our the request is for us

[1:52:21] to update our code to uh allow employee farmworker housing of six persons or

[1:52:26] fewer by right in residential zones um and to add farmworker housing as a

[1:52:31] defined residential use. Program 2A and 2G are related. They're regarding the uh

[1:52:38] state's density bonus laws. So the state has for quite some time has had a

[1:52:45] program which we actually have in our code right now related to what's called

[1:52:49] a density bonus. That's when a housing project proposes to

[1:52:56] have a certain amount of units within the project set aside for lower income

[1:53:01] housing. And if you do so you're allowed to get a bonus in the d beyond what's

[1:53:07] normally allowed in the density of the zone. So, if you could normally build 20

[1:53:12] units, you could go up to 25 units depending on how many uh affordable

[1:53:18] units that you have. Uh to to allow that um because in certain situations, the

[1:53:24] development standards wouldn't allow that. Uh it there's incentives related

[1:53:29] to relief from development standards such as height, floor area ratio,

[1:53:34] reduced parking, setback reduction. Um and there and in inclusive of uh program

[1:53:41] 2G uh part of that the proposal is to

[1:53:44] facilitate the partnerships between commercial and affordable housing

[1:53:48] developers uh to to so that they can so that commercial developers can look at

[1:53:54] those those programs.

[1:53:58] The final two programs uh program 3H is the state has told us that we needed to

[1:54:05] reduce minimum unit size across residential zones. Uh currently in our

[1:54:10] single family neighborhoods the minimum unit size is 1250 square ft and within

[1:54:15] Oldtown area it's 950. the so it's being proposed that the minimum unit size to

[1:54:21] build a primary unit within one of those zones is is 500 feet square feet across

[1:54:27] the board. Um and there was also as part of it we cleaned up some of the language

[1:54:33] in Surfside some of the older language as it as it spoke about ADUs and Jadus

[1:54:39] um that currently matches the language for the rest of the city. Program 3J is

[1:54:45] parking standards. Uh right now any type of housing that you build requires two

[1:54:50] spaces per unit. Uh this the this proposal would reduce that requirement

[1:54:55] for studios in one bedrooms from two spaces to one space per unit with the

[1:55:00] idea that those smaller units have a lower demand in parking. uh just given

[1:55:05] their size and with the also with the intention to to promote smaller, more

[1:55:10] affordable units.

[1:55:14] This item was heard by our planning commission on February 2nd. Uh the

[1:55:19] commission considered the ordinance but no recommendation due to a two tie vote.

[1:55:25] Uh one commissioner was absent and uh there was a split vote.

[1:55:31] What that means procedurally is that the state statute requires that the planning

[1:55:37] commission uh review and make comment for the

[1:55:41] council to consider the item. But the commission's role is advisory only on

[1:55:47] not binding to the city. And per the code, if the for these types of

[1:55:51] situations, if the planning commission fails to adopt the resolution, it's

[1:55:56] deemed approved to move forward to the council for for review. And so that's

[1:56:01] why it's it's with with the council tonight. Uh when when it was presented

[1:56:05] to the planning commission, there was an additional program regarding emergency

[1:56:09] shelter provisions. I believe that's what was the the controversial part uh

[1:56:16] amongst the most of the the commission's discussion. Staff has uh removed that so

[1:56:21] that we could do further background research into the issue and address it

[1:56:24] separately. And u we're moving forward with the rest of the items tonight.

[1:56:31] So that concludes my presentation. Uh staff's recommendation is to introduce

[1:56:36] and approve the ordinance 1725 to implement these programs to in order to

[1:56:42] comply with state housing law. >> Thank you.

[1:56:45] » Thank you very much. Um do you we want to hold our comments

[1:56:50] until after we hear the public? >> Okay. Uh at this time I will now open

[1:56:54] the public hearing. Are there any public comments?

[1:57:07] Hi again, council mayor and and everyone. Uh, just on this, so to my

[1:57:12] knowledge, the only real farming activity in Seal Beach is on the weapons

[1:57:16] station. I'm not really sure of any major other than just backyard

[1:57:20] gardening. And I understand probably this is required by the state or related

[1:57:24] to our housing regulations and uh zoning but um is is such housing uh you know to

[1:57:33] and again I don't know a lot about this I didn't have time to read much about it

[1:57:36] but uh there there had been in the past information that such housing is to be

[1:57:42] provided or on the property of the um of the property owner for the farm or the

[1:57:48] ranch or whatever. Now, you know, there's been a lot of changes and I

[1:57:51] haven't kept with a lot of that, but would this housing be on the base? I

[1:57:56] would think it would not be and if it was on if it's not, where in Seal Beach

[1:58:00] would it be or does it have to be designated? So, it's just I guess

[1:58:05] procedural questions like that I was just wondering about and is there any

[1:58:09] housing like this in Seal Beach now or on the base or anywhere else related to

[1:58:15] farming or other agricultural activity? Thank you.

[1:58:19] Thank you, Ken. Are we able to answer his question?

[1:58:25] » Yeah, I want to emphasize that this is not a development plan nor a development

[1:58:29] proposal. The these are updates to the code. They're more policy updates by the

[1:58:35] council in order to facilitate facilitate any proposed development in

[1:58:40] the future by private property owners. So, there's no proposal for any

[1:58:44] farmworker housing within the city. Um, Mr. Scythe is correct. There's not a lot

[1:58:50] of farm activity in the city. Uh, this um, as I stated earlier, this is a a

[1:58:57] state of California one-sizefits-all request. They would they essentially

[1:59:03] everything being proposed to to the council tonight is already state law and

[1:59:09] that and the and the state is just asking us to bring our codes to be in

[1:59:13] alignment with their codes to avoid uh so that to avoid procedural

[1:59:20] timelines that so so that projects can move quicker because there's not that

[1:59:25] conflict because because this the the state law is actually the law that we

[1:59:30] needed defer to on these issues. >> Thank you.

[1:59:33] » The only thing I would add is that by adopting this, you're not encouraging

[1:59:37] any more farmworker housing or less farmworker housing because it's simply

[1:59:40] what the state law already is. >> Thank you. Are there any more public

[1:59:45] comments?

[1:59:56] » Hi, Teresa Miller. Um, Oldtown. Um, I just had a couple cont comments. Um, I

[2:00:02] went through all of the This is section D of the um, I guess it's the housing

[2:00:08] element programs and um, part of the programs I just want to refer to there's

[2:00:13] like I don't know 52 out of 54 that are funded from general fund. So the

[2:00:20] question is um, where is that money going to come from and is there an

[2:00:24] estimate? Um everything was very vague in this but I I have to talk about some

[2:00:29] of these because there are um I have notes on all of them. Um you know we

[2:00:34] have there's one program for um ADU's marketing u materials. Okay. Um to to

[2:00:41] let people know that this is really an important thing. There is um something

[2:00:46] from the let's see where's this one? Uh okay that was the employee farm worker

[2:00:52] which we just talked about for a second. the um about the Navy or no I'm sorry

[2:00:57] about uh Main Street specific there's something on that um there's

[2:01:02] uh some outreach for developer outreach that was in here and one of them um the

[2:01:09] programs there was let's see promote OC mortgage assistant programs there's you

[2:01:15] know there's just a ton of programs that are um varied and and honestly everybody

[2:01:22] should really read it to see what it entails because everything has you know

[2:01:27] a general fund at the end of the day. No price tag but just where the money is

[2:01:31] going to come from. So um I think that's just my question mainly. Um at the very

[2:01:38] end the very very last uh program it's 6C is to promote the uh smart growth and

[2:01:46] this this pretty much sums up everything about um reducing the objective is to

[2:01:52] reduce the reliance on vehicle travel where possible and foster healthier

[2:01:56] neighborhoods. Th this document goes through a lot of

[2:02:00] things about um what's good what's good for citizens but the majority focuses on

[2:02:06] highdensity housing in almost every neighborhood. Um which you know when the

[2:02:14] question comes up about you know um the remedy the the whatever that's called

[2:02:20] the builder's remedy. This is the builder's remedy. This is it. Everything

[2:02:24] that they talk about is in this document. There's no difference. So, I

[2:02:27] mean, by signing by approving all the zoning that you did in December has

[2:02:35] locked us up. And if somebody does decide, there's no going back. This is

[2:02:40] all to make it easier without any regulation, without any oversight of any

[2:02:45] other uh group like the planning commission. And um it's basically

[2:02:50] selling out to any developer who wants to do just about anything as long as

[2:02:54] they meet the criteria. it can just, you know, bypass anyone else's eyes. This is

[2:02:59] our community. I mean, I don't This is our community. We bought houses here, as

[2:03:04] they did in a lot of others. I mean, I'm sick and tired of hearing, "Oh, but the

[2:03:07] state says, um, okay, well, we're going to get another administration soon, and

[2:03:11] maybe they're going to say something different, but there's really no going

[2:03:14] back." So, um, I don't know. I I want to know where all the money that these

[2:03:20] programs cost is going to come from. So, thank you. Thank you, Teresa.

[2:03:27] » Thank you, Teresa. Are there any other public comments?

[2:03:44] Hi, Ellery Deon, Oldtown. Two comments. Number one, people need to think before

[2:03:50] they vote. This is absolutely what we get for what we've got in Sacramento.

[2:03:56] It's time for a change. That's number one. Number two, you keep getting

[2:04:01] threatened with builder's remedy. Look at what you're signing off on. It's

[2:04:05] builder's remedy. It's an empty threat. You're giving it away instead of having

[2:04:10] a builder come in and take it. So, I You're in a tough place. I know it.

[2:04:16] I didn't vote in the way that got us here, but the state of California did.

[2:04:21] So, we need to change how we vote if we expect any changes at all. So, thank

[2:04:26] you. >> Thank you, Ellery.

[2:04:30] Are there any other public comments?

[2:04:35] Okay. If not, I will now close the public hearing and um now is the time

[2:04:41] for council discussion and deliberation.

[2:04:46] Thank you, mayor. Uh, yes, we're in a tough spot, but we've seen that uh other

[2:04:53] cities that have uh decided to fight that have lost at every um judicial

[2:05:01] milestone and uh it's costing a lot of money. It

[2:05:07] will cost them a lot of money to come into compliance before there's an

[2:05:11] opportunity for a regime change. Um, and unfortunately, uh, on top of all

[2:05:18] of this, I understand from our community development director and reading the

[2:05:22] document that there's like everything from monthly to quarterly to annual

[2:05:28] reports on all of these items that our department is going to have to comply

[2:05:34] with, which is going to take staff time and is another unfunded mandate. So, um,

[2:05:42] yes, it's a tough situation for us, but I think that, um,

[2:05:48] you know, if we if we kind of take a step back and we

[2:05:53] look at at how development, um, has actually evolved in Seal Beach,

[2:06:00] you know, our College Park neighborhoods, Leisure World of course,

[2:06:04] which is self-governing, um, and for the most part, on the hill,

[2:06:10] you know, things have not really changed substantially. You know, there's some

[2:06:15] ADU activity that's going on and and uh you know, that's that's happening. You

[2:06:22] know, Oldtown the uh the real threat for Oldtown is we we can't get very much

[2:06:30] more dense within 25 ft of height. And so the

[2:06:36] alternative, not so much an alternative, but the the only course of action I if

[2:06:43] these rules become tighter is that we would be forced to go up or we'd be

[2:06:49] forced to go back to R2 instead of R1 on a oldtown 25- ft lot. Um, but so far

[2:06:59] that doesn't seem to be imminent. But I think what we have to be very watchful

[2:07:05] of is what the next RENA assessment's going to be. You know, I've heard from

[2:07:11] different sources that watch out. You know, um, from from my viewpoint, um,

[2:07:19] anything anything over one in the next round is

[2:07:26] you know, is almost impossible since getting to the 1243

[2:07:31] was, you know, doing a a real dance of the seven veils, you know, to get to

[2:07:36] that point. So, um, you know, I can't offer solutions. Um, but I think if um

[2:07:46] I I think because we we are watchful, meaning those of us that live in the

[2:07:54] different districts are are watchful of what's going on in the district. You

[2:07:59] know, we hear, you know, what's what's happening? Are people um wanting to

[2:08:04] start to push the envelope of what they're going to be allowed to do? And

[2:08:08] of course, you know, they then have to deal with their neighbors. And so

[2:08:12] there's sort of a a community pressure to not go too crazy. Um, you know, in

[2:08:18] Oldtown it's a little bit a little bit more difficult because, you know, all of

[2:08:24] a sudden people things suddenly appear in Oldtown. Uh whether they be the

[2:08:30] vacation rentals or ADUs and so forth. Um

[2:08:35] but I think that if as a community we kind of keep our eyes open for uh what

[2:08:41] we think may be coming and you know we can sort of act accordingly without you

[2:08:48] know blatantly trying to push back on the state. I think it's been

[2:08:52] demonstrated that that doesn't get you anywhere at this point. Thank you.

[2:08:58] » Thank you. Um so I I in reading the document um I

[2:09:05] noticed in several places that it talks about um who's the responsible party for

[2:09:11] different pieces of these programs and a lot of it says general fund. So my

[2:09:16] concern is we are now in budget time and going to be moving through the budget

[2:09:21] and then we have if we adopt this right now we've got all these unknowns in here

[2:09:26] with general fund general fund general fund. We have no idea what we're walking

[2:09:30] into. And so I'm deeply concerned that we need to look at the financial

[2:09:37] obligations of an unfunded mandate that is going to be put upon this city. So

[2:09:43] that is very concerning. Um the other thing is tonight in item D because we

[2:09:48] voted that out. Um our staff is able to move forward with the progress report

[2:09:53] that is due April 1st. So, if we were to hold this back, this does not impact the

[2:09:59] ability to submit our first report that's due on April 1st. So, that would

[2:10:03] be cleared. So, um I um there's a lot of information in here. Every time I read

[2:10:09] this stuff, it's more confusing than the first time I read it. And I think um

[2:10:15] your quote, Ken, was just, you know, probably where a lot of our people are

[2:10:20] don't know. It takes a lot of time. You know, it's spot on. So anyway, I'm of

[2:10:25] the opinion because we don't know the cost that we're walking into, we need to

[2:10:28] hold off on this piece. We've already voted out the most important piece so we

[2:10:32] can be in compliance. And I think this needs to go back. Um I would encourage

[2:10:37] us to consider a study session. Our residents are very unaware of this and

[2:10:42] we need to let people know about this, walk through it with us. I think we need

[2:10:45] a study session, get our residents informed, our businesses informed, and

[2:10:49] we need to understand the implications on our budget because we're in budget

[2:10:53] right now. And if there's stuff in here that's going to hit us, that means we

[2:10:56] got to cut elsewhere to be able to afford this stuff that the state wants

[2:11:00] us to do. So, I'm deeply concerned about the budget implications. So, um, that's

[2:11:05] where I'm at. I think this is not this piece is not ready to go tonight. We

[2:11:09] need to send it back. We can have planning commission look at it again

[2:11:12] study session let our residents and businesses opine be aware and then bring

[2:11:17] this back. I I do not feel that I have enough information to vote on this.

[2:11:23] » Thank you. >> Can I can I just ask a clarifying

[2:11:25] question? Uh I understand the comment about the general fund and the impacts

[2:11:29] of the programs, but the ordinance tonight is the I guess the cost or the

[2:11:34] resources to implement the four or five programs that are addressed in this uh

[2:11:39] ordinance have been absorbed for however you want to put that um and are

[2:11:45] memorialized in this ordinance. Obviously, there are other costs

[2:11:50] associated with compliance with all the other uh programs that need to be

[2:11:54] discussed and considered as part of a budget, but the four or five programs

[2:11:58] that are addressed in this ordinance, I guess, are sort of that cost has been

[2:12:02] incurred. >> I'm reading tons of programs in here.

[2:12:07] » I totally get it. Uh and the ordinance is only covering how many programs,

[2:12:12] Sean, >> there it's five programs tonight?

[2:12:15] » Five programs. So there's yeah there's um I don't know

[2:12:20] when I when I do the uh the annual progress report there's some there's 70

[2:12:25] different uh reporting items but some of them were broken of different programs

[2:12:31] but there's there's uh I believe there's probably about 25 30 programs and the

[2:12:39] but for example one of the programs was adopt the mixeduse zone which was done

[2:12:45] in last October And so these are it's not being proposed that we adopt all

[2:12:50] these programs tonight. Um it we're just as our city attorney stated, we're just

[2:12:56] looking at the the five of the programs which which I listed out in my

[2:13:02] presentation. Those were absorbed through staff time. Staff time is paid

[2:13:07] out of the general fund and that's why that was listed. Uh similarly um Teresa

[2:13:13] Miller brought up a few items program 6A the the smart goal implementation and in

[2:13:22] and uh urban planning what what smart growth is is is trying to

[2:13:29] design development that moves more to pedestrian scale kind of how oldtown is

[2:13:35] versus the suburban scale which is the the driving you drive everywhere you go

[2:13:40] instead instead of walking. And so through the implementation of the

[2:13:43] mixeduse zone where you now have potential to have residential uses

[2:13:49] within the commercial areas that we reported that as achieving the

[2:13:56] the smart goal policy of 6A the ADU marketing materials uh is essentially us

[2:14:03] updating our website. We have a ADU page on our website that has a lot

[2:14:08] information on on ADUs that accomplishes that goal that was done through staff

[2:14:14] time updating the website. Several of these um are just staff time and I I

[2:14:21] agree with Council Member Synagol. I think I think a study session and and

[2:14:26] looking at these uh programs would be very beneficial. It's very confusing

[2:14:32] this housing element. It's not it's it's just it's so much information

[2:14:38] that it's it's hard. It's like taking an entire uh three or four year program in

[2:14:44] college and trying to read it over the weekend. It's it's just it's it's too

[2:14:48] much information and I I think some some additional community outreach. uh and

[2:14:54] I'm always available if anyone wanted to reach out to me directly uh would would

[2:14:59] be helpful but a lot of this is just incurred by by staff time and anything

[2:15:04] that would need any sort of significant amount of money uh you know within the

[2:15:09] tens of thousands or or above. We would bring to council individually that

[2:15:16] program and say this program is going to need need this amount of money and then

[2:15:21] we could have that discussion on how much money it merits at that time.

[2:15:28] » Thank you very much. >> I have a question

[2:15:32] » if I may >> please.

[2:15:34] » Um thank you. Um, this is the kind of thing that we do. We

[2:15:41] we just don't have enough information really to to even fathom what this is

[2:15:45] all about. And I have little to none no trust in Sacramento and their policies

[2:15:51] and the way they're pointed in this world and the way itffects affect Seal

[2:15:56] Beaches. To be honest with you, we don't know

[2:15:59] what Seal Beach is going to look like in 25 years. I know what we want it to look

[2:16:03] like in 25 years. And that's not substantially different than what it

[2:16:07] looks like now. But if we start opening up the um the the floodgates to a 500

[2:16:13] square foot minimum, for example, or if we have um density bonuses that allow

[2:16:20] some builder somewhere someday get a density bonus that allows them to build

[2:16:24] a six-story building or 30story building or whatever it happens to be somewhere

[2:16:29] in here and we don't have the control as a city to to do something about it. I

[2:16:34] know we have ordinances that have passed that prohibit that have height limits in

[2:16:38] it, but what does the builder's remedy do to that with a density bonus? And so

[2:16:43] I'm not I don't like this. I've been I've said it before, I'll say it again.

[2:16:48] I think Sacramento is

[2:16:53] I won't I won't repeat what I said last time. So I've been quoted on that. Uh I

[2:16:58] don't want to give them an inch. I always bristle when uh things like

[2:17:02] housing elements come around and I played along with that and now we have a

[2:17:06] this is the back end of the housing element I suppose right now and I I just

[2:17:10] I don't like playing the game. I don't mind telling Sacramento

[2:17:16] no until I have a better understanding of really what we're talking about here.

[2:17:20] if they're they're opening the floodgates to 500 foot ADUs and those

[2:17:24] ADUs could be sold in the secondary market and that could genuinely impact

[2:17:29] Oldtown. It could impact uh uh the hill. It could impact every part of this town.

[2:17:36] Uh so I I I don't want to play along to be honest with you tonight anyway till I

[2:17:42] get more information. >> Thank you very much. Mayor Prom,

[2:17:47] » do you have any comments? >> Not at the moment. Sorry.

[2:17:50] » Um, okay. Um, so 2 a um transferring review of authority from the planning

[2:17:57] commission to the community development direct. So why do we even need a

[2:18:03] planning commission? Is that really what's where we're headed with this?

[2:18:10] » Well, when it in reference to the density bonus, essentially all this is

[2:18:16] already statutory law within the state. what what would be requested if they

[2:18:21] provide a certain amount of affordable units, they're allowed to have certain

[2:18:24] incentives. And so the commission while having the

[2:18:30] ability to hear it wouldn't have the discretion, which is their purpose is to

[2:18:34] have discretion to make changes per the state law. They could say something

[2:18:39] contrary, but then that would be contrary to state law. So the idea is

[2:18:45] since these are pretty much objective standards within the state code that the

[2:18:50] state wants it to be done through administrative process. So that would be

[2:18:55] done through through the director's review.

[2:18:59] » Thank you. Um I feel like at this rate, you know, uh the next question will be

[2:19:06] why do we even need a city council? So,

[2:19:11] um, yeah, I'm I'm I'm not for pushing through this quickly. Um,

[2:19:17] something else, um, you said earlier in regards to the farm workers, uh, that

[2:19:21] the state has made it like a one-sizefits-all, and I feel like that's

[2:19:24] what they're doing to us with the arena numbers. So, it's not fair, um, where

[2:19:30] that we've got the the same numbers or that same template uh, as other cities.

[2:19:35] And um you know I I when I go out to the Inland Empire um they have so much land

[2:19:40] there and they're building like crazy. Um but it it's it's not what we'd be

[2:19:47] looking at here in Seal Beach. I mean somebody said to me once uh the analogy

[2:19:53] once the toothpaste comes out of the tube there's no putting it back in. And

[2:19:58] once we go, you know, high density here in in Oldtown, the the character of

[2:20:03] Oldtown is going to be destroyed forever and there's no going back on that. So,

[2:20:09] um I I also think we maybe need to bring this back. So, okay.

[2:20:15] » Can I um Mayor Oh, I'm sorry. Were you going to speak?

[2:20:20] » No, go ahead. >> Oh, okay. I'll make a motion. Um um I

[2:20:24] would like to motion that we bring this um this item back and in the interim we

[2:20:29] have another stop at the planning commission for discussion. Maybe you

[2:20:33] combine the planning commission with a um study session or separate them

[2:20:38] whatever staff thinks is best. I think we need more information. Um I certainly

[2:20:43] need to be again um it's it's confusing and so I think we need to um bring it

[2:20:49] back. So, the motion is return this um at a later date and in the interim have

[2:20:54] the planning commission and a study session um together and then bring it

[2:20:59] back or you can if if it's better to separate them or bring them together,

[2:21:03] but bring this back after we have more time to really understand what we're

[2:21:07] voting on and our residents need to know what we're voting on and our businesses

[2:21:10] need to know what we're voting on. >> I'll second.

[2:21:18] » Go ahead. I I just had a question, Sean. Um

[2:21:22] the delay that we're asking for, how what's the impact on your department and

[2:21:28] our ability to, you know, be in compliance with the state and our

[2:21:34] housing element being valid, a re report to the state once a year. So

[2:21:41] that was the item D tonight was the annual progress report that will be sent

[2:21:46] to Sacramento this week and they can our next reporting period would be next

[2:21:54] April 1st. So it they would want to see what updates have happened in between

[2:22:02] now and then in the programs. >> We say next April 1st. Is that 2027?

[2:22:08] » Correct. >> Next year.

[2:22:09] » Correct. However, I don't they may do a review of the annual progress report and

[2:22:16] ask for some sort of updates. I don't know if that would happen, but the next

[2:22:20] report would be uh April 1st, 2027. >> The only thing I would add is that

[2:22:27] there's not like a the deadlines for a lot of this have already passed in the

[2:22:31] housing element. Uh HCD is charged with reviewing this compliance with every

[2:22:37] city's housing element. um when they're going to do that I can't

[2:22:42] say for certain. So a a next April 1st is not like a deadline. Doing it as

[2:22:47] quickly as possible is I guess the only thing I can offer.

[2:22:53] » Thank you very much. We take a role. >> Yes. Council member Synical. How do you

[2:22:58] vote? >> Can we repeat the motion, please?

[2:23:02] » Do you want to read it back or you >> Oh, you can read it back. I did make

[2:23:07] notes. You did say that you wanted to >> this item would be returned to staff to

[2:23:12] um have return it to the planning commission a study session and also um

[2:23:18] we need to fill in the blanks on some of the costs whatever this general fund

[2:23:21] impact is. We need to see the cost impacts as well when this comes back

[2:23:27] or the best you can estimate our cost impacts.

[2:23:30] » So does that mean we're not voting on item J or we are substituting? We are

[2:23:37] substituting what the recommendation was.

[2:23:41] » Mayor Landau, how do you vote? >> Yes.

[2:23:43] » Council member Calm, how do you vote? >> Yes.

[2:23:45] » Council member Steel, how do you vote? >> Yes.

[2:23:47] » Council member Mayor Pro Tim Wong, how do you vote?

[2:23:50] » Yes. >> Motion carries. Five votes. Yes.

[2:23:53] » Okay. >> Thank you very much. Okay. Um, I will

[2:23:58] now adjourn tonight's city council meeting to Monday, April 13th, 2026

[2:24:03] at 5:30 p.m. to meet in close session if deemed necessary. Thank you and good

[2:24:08] night.

City Council Meeting - March 23, 2026

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