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>> mayor: all right, good evening, everyone, it's 6:30,
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I'm calling the meeting to order.
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mauricio. >> commissioner joseph.
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>> present. >> commissioner lama.
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>> here. >> commissioner stuyvesant.
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>> here. >> vice mayor viscarra.
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>> here. >> mayor sphechen.
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>> here. >> all members present, ma'am.
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>> mayor: okay, great. Thank you.
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if you could please ruse for the pledge of allegiance.
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[pledge of allegiance] >> mayor: thank you.
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we do not have an invocation tonight.
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mauricio? >> okay.
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so first item on the agenda that we will consider tonight is the
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approval of the minutes of may 14th.
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>> can I get a motion, please? >> so moved?
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>> second. >> second.
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>> all in favor? Thank you.
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we will now play the mayor's opening message.
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92 good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
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we appreciate your attendance and thank you for joining us
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tonight. Before we begin, there are a few
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thank you for your cawpgz and understanding -- cooperation and
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understanding. >> mayor: okay, before we get to
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the order of business, I want to welcome everyone.
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it's really nice to see so many people in the audience.
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I want to thank you for coming. I want to re mind you in
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addition to the three-minute rule and a make sure you sign
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for any item to speak, this room is designed in a way that we can
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hear all conversations up here, so even if you're in the back we
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can hear your conversations, so kindly if you do need to speak
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to your neighbor please do so outside because it's very
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disruptive for us up here. Okay, thank you.
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mauricio, changes to the agenda.
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>> yes, we have a couple of changes to tonight's agenda.
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the first one is additional information has been provided
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for item 9a, which is the resolution awarding.
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item 9a was a resolution -- 9i was a sublease agreement with
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the sunny isles beach jewish community center.
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item 9j has been revised and a resolution, the resolution
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specifically has been revised, and item 9k has been added on,
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which is a resolution adopting the 2025 through 2030 miami-dade
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county local mitigation strategy.
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>> and are we combining g and h?
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>> yes, we are. >> mayor: okay.
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great. Wonderful.
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thank you. Do woo need to vote on --
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>> make a motion to approve those changes.
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>> mayor: can I get a motion? >> motion.
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>> second. >> all in favor?
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thank you. Okay.
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so now the first item is ordinances for first reading.
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6a and I apologize, give me one second, I just lost my things.
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6a is an ordinance of the city commission of the city of sunny
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isles beach, florida, amending chapter 256 of the code of
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ordinances of the city of sunny isles beach article v, section
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256-37, entitled definitions, rules and regulations for
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operation, section 233-8 entitled penalties for offenses
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and 256-39, entitled enforcement.
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to create and provide regulations for the use of
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electric bicycles within the city's jurisdiction.
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providing for repealing, severability, codification, and
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an effective date. >> mayor: okay, mr. City
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manager? >> mayor, vice mayor, members of
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the commission. We're bringing this forward in
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response to your request to revise and update our bicycle
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ordinance to include specific regulations regarding e-bikes.
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>> mayor: okay. Do we have any public speakers?
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>> we do. >> mayor: okay.
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>> stephen hirsch. >> good evening, stephen hirsch,
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17201 collins: I support this ordinance that's amending
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chapter 256 relating to promoting pedestrian safety in
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our sidewalks. I think it's a great follow-up
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to the earlier ordinance regarding scooters.
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however we must note this will likely increase the amount of
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bicycles albeit motorized bicycles on the right lane of
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collins and sunny isles beach boulevard.
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that led me to look at the 236-page, 2016 sunny isles beach
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master plan to see what if any provisions could be affected by
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this, albeit motorized bicycles on our main arteries.
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after reading the report it was evident to me that the 2016
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study where survey times are over 10 years old needs to be
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updated for several reasons. Population growth has
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substantially increased traffic demand and are well beyond the
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original projections. The report predates e-scooters,
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micromobility devices, app-based on demand transit demands such
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as ubers, lyfts, and the report relied on traffic counts and
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patterns from approximately 2014 through 2015 as any of us speak
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with residents of sunny isles beach and ask what are the major
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downsides to the quality afflife in our city, traffic always
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seems to be near the top if not at the top of the rist.
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as the next logical step after creating pedestrian safety for
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micromobility devices, I suggest the commission -- I suggest to
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the commission that maybe it's time to take and revisit our
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outdated transportation master plan sunny isles beach has
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changed dramatically since 2016 with increased development, new
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transportation technologies, and evolving pedestrian safety
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concerns. Our transportation plan should
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be updated using current data so that any future investments that
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we need to make regarding traffic flow, traffic safety,
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pe paid safety are based on today -- pedestrian safety are
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based on today's realities and not yesterday's assumptions.
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thank you very much for allowing me to talk.
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>> mayor: thank you. Any other speakers?
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>> no further speakers. >> mayor: okay.
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I'll take comments or questions commissioner joseph would you
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like to start? >> just my idea originally was
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to ban e-scooters and e-biked in sunny isles.
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we really don't have a safe provision for them to be in the
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streets. They're absolutely not safe on
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the sidewalks, and and, regard for that is the safety of
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residents in the city. We have scooters now for riders
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on the 16 off the streets, which have made a big difference.
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we will see how things progress but right now our streets are
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somewhat safer and we will see what happens in the near
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future. We can always come back and make
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our policies stronger as necessary.
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>> mayor: vice mayor? >> I support this obviously.
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but I was hoping -- hoping, and I don't mean to catch anybody
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off guard, but if you have the information off the top of your
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head, I know that we started the enforcement or the warning
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period, and I liked one of the facebook posts I saw that on
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that first day you didn't have to open the warning -- you know
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the warning book. So I was just wondering how it's
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looking. If you have any input on that.
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>> to date both pd and code have reported that they've had zero
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violations. >> that is great news.
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>> okay. Anyway, that it's all.
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>> mayor: okay. With that I'll take a motion?
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>> I'll make a motion. >> I'll second.
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>> mayor: mauricio? >> commissioner joseph?
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>> yes. >> commissioner lama.
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>> yes. >> commissioner stuyvesant.
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>> yes. >> vice mayor viscarra.
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>> yes. >> mayor svechin?
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>> the ordinance passes on first reading, second reading will be
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scheduled for july. >> okay, next item, please.
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>> next item is 8a, which is an ordinance of the city of sunny
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isles beach, florida, amending chapter 265 article ii section
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265-5 init titled definitions and article v, section 265-17
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entitled subdivision plat approval of the code of
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orordinances of the city of sunny isles beach.
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in accordance with the requirements of section 177.071
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of the florida statutes as amended by senate bill 784,
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20005, and to align with certain procedures in chapter 28 of the
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miami-dade code of ordinances providing for repealer,
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severability, codification, and an effective date.
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>> thank you. >> good evening, mayor, vice
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mayor, commissioners. This is second reading of our
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ordinance related to the platting procedures in the land
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development regulations. Just as a quick refreshther
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purpose of this ordinance is to come into compliance with state
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legislation that passed in 2025 that requires all municipalities
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and counties to administratively approve plats with no further
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action or approval by the governing body.
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as the commission requested last month a line has been added to
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the ordinance which states the city manager shall for
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informational purposes only submit a written report to the
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city commission advising of any plat approval, approval with
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conditions, or denial. And that's added in two places
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in the ordinance, once for subdivisions, and also for
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waiver of plats. >> mayor: thank you.
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are there public speakers? >> no, ma'am.
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>> all right. Are there questions or comments
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from the commission? >> yes.
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>> mayor: go ahead, commissioner stuyvesant.
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>> well this was not the direction that was given.
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to be informed after the application gets approved,
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what's the point? So we said that we wanted to
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know when this application was submitted.
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so I will make a motion to modify again exactly the same
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language that it was recommended, with the difference
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the city manager shall for informational purposes only
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submit a written report to the city commission advising of any
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plat, free plat or modification application.
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the second thing on the site, the city commission shall for
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informational purposes only submit a written report to the
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city commission advising of any waiver of plat application we
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had a discussion and the direction was very simple.
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we want to be informed. This is administrative.
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we cannot do anything. We cannot interfere, so the only
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thing we need to know is to be informed.
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we feed to be informed after the application gets submitted, not
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after it guess approved. >> mayor: before I take a
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motion,x a second to your motion, can I get clarification
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from the city attorney because we addressed this during agenda
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review. >> right, as we discussed on
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tuesday at the workshop in looking back at the statute, you
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as a governing body cannot be involved in any way, shape, or
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form in the platting process. The language that was requested
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by implication involves you and inserts you into the process.
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it screams interference. If there is a difference between
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going when it's applied for versus when it's approved it
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points directly to interfeerps, whether it be indirect inference
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or direct interference if you have that in your code anybody
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challenging it would have that to work with.
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so again to keep in the spirit of the statute you are not
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involved in the process at all. It should be after the fact.
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>> mayor: okay. Thank you.
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>> mayor: there is a motion on the table.
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>> again, that is guessing somebody is going to interfere
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because that's not what it says.
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plus we give the direction, you can give your recommendation,
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but we are the legislative body.
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we are the ones who decide we're voting for this.
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and that interference claim look for it in the status, that's an
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interpretation. That is not there.
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so -- you are assuming that by we knowing about this we are
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going to do something with that information.
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and that's not the spirit of this.
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so, it was taken from us, the ability of the power to vote for
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that, for that application. It wasn't taken for us.
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the ability to get informed, so like I said, we need to be
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informed when the application gets submitted ignot, not
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after it got approved that was the specific direction we gave
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in the last commission meeting. >> mayor: okay, is there a
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second to commissioner stuyvesant's motion?
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okay, so motion dies. We're back on the original
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motion or rather I don't have a motion yet.
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so would anyone like to add anything or make a motion?
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>> can I get a motion for this item?
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second? Mauricio?
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>> commissioner lama. >> yes.
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>> commissioner stuyvesant. >> .
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>> no. >> vice mayor viscarra.
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>> I'm a no because I don't think the language should've
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been added to begin with. I liked it the way it was last
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month, so. >> commissioner joseph.
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>> okay. >> no.
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>> mayor svechin. >> the ordinance fails on second
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reading 2-3. >> mayor: okay so can you
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clarify what's going -- >> well, by florida statute, you
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have to, you have to pass an ordinance in this regard.
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>> mayor: so would you like to make a motion, commissioner
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viscarra. >> I would like to make a motion
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to remove the language we added last month.
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>> mayor: can you remind me please what the language was for
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the record? >> the language says, as
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currently written, the city manager shall for informational
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purposes only submit a written report to the city commission
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advising of any plat approval, approval with conditions, or
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denials. >> mayor: okay, is there a
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second to vice mayor's motion? We have to pass something.
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>> well, if there is no second I will change my vote or I'll, you
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know, I'll reconsider the vote or whatever.
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>> okay, hold on. Hold on.
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so if we go back, may I, please?
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if we go back to the original language, what are the
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implications? >> which original language?
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>> no, just means that the manager would not need to advise
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us. That's the difference.
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so, so vice mayor. >> so what are we .
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>> vice mayor if you could clarify.
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>> the way it was originally presented to us, this language
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about the city manager was added last, at the last meeting.
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>> correct. >> and I don't think it's
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necessary. I think we get the information
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if there is something we want to know, we have the monthly
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reports, I feel like adding -- it's not standard language and I
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don't think it belongs there. I don't -- you know if I have to
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change my vote, I will. We're newt going to be without
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compliance -- not going to be without compliance but I really
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think it should just not be there.
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>> mayor: all right so there is -- is there -- let's try this
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again so because there wasn't a little bit of confusion.
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so vice mayor made a motion to go back to the original which
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did not have the language of the manager having to inform the
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commission, specifically of a change.
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is there a second? If we can go back to the
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original? >> procedurally, we would need
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to reconsider this and one of the members of the commission
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that voted against, in this case vice mayor to reconsider this
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item, and then make the motion that she wishes.
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all right. >> mayor: okay.
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>> so motion to reconsider. >> mayor: as written.
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>> yes as written today. >> mayor: today, yes.
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>> and the second for that motion.
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>> second. >> mayor: okay.
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>> all in favor? >> aye.
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>> why are we considering the motion as is, the resolution as
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written today. >> mayor: all right, now I need
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a motion for that. >> second.
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>> mayor: all right, mauricio. >> okay, commissioner lama.
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>> yes. >> commissioner stuyvesant.
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>> no. >> vice mayor viscarra.
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>> yes. >> commissioner joseph.
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>> no. >> mayor svechin.
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>> yes. >> the ordinance is adopted 3-2
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as written tonight. >> mayor: all right, next item,
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please. >> next item is 9a,
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resolutions. A resolution awarding request
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for proposal number 26-04012 and approving an agreement with all
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season imports doing business as the christmas palace to install
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holiday lights and decorations at various locations throughout
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the city. >> mayor: okay, mr. City
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manager. >> mayor, vice mayor, members of
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the commission, this is our bid that we put out approving with
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all season imports doing business as the christmas palace
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to install holiday lights and decorations at various locations
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throughout the city. >> mayor: okay, do we have
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public speakers? >> we do.
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david virgil. >> mayor: okay.
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>> mayor: again as a reminder to everyone, this your opportunity
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to speak up. >> my name is david virgil.
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my address is 17500 -- I just want to say the renderings of
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the new holiday lights look amazing, in my opinion.
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it's great that there is a wide variety of colors to choose from
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as it appears in the packet. It shows red and green, blue and
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white, and also yellow, so in case anyone's controversy about
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the colors, the city could choose different colors.
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there's also great coverage from the north end of
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the city to the south end of the city which is pretty great too.
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there is one thing I notice on page 30 of the pdf document, it
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shows that there is three palm trees at town center park,
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anything two fell down so maybe two sets of light may be an
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extra cost that is unnecessary at this time.
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so yeah. That's all.
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>> mayor: thank you. Any other speakers?
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92 no, ma'am. >> mayor: all right.
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this is a hot topic. Are we going to put up the
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pictures on the screen? Do we have them?
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so who would like to start. This is a big conversation,
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commissioner stuyvesant would you like to start.
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who is ready to speak? >> I'll speak.
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>> mayor: go ahead. >> so I do like this.
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obviously I requested this. We do need to work a little bit
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more on the color palette, and then the nativity scene issue
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came up. So I think that we need a
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workshop to define how this is going to be structured and take
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place. Today we are talking about
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awarding of the contract that but those are my comments.
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>> mayor: okay, let the city manager answer and then
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commissioner stuyvesant, you can go.
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>> thank you, mayor. I just wanted to point out to
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commissioner lama's point that we have scheduled workshop to
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discuss this further. >> commissioner stuyvesant, go
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ahead. >> that's very interesting
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because I have here addendums and it was very specific, even
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the instruction to all the bidders that the select
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contractor shall provide holiday lighting in neutral nonholiday
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specific colors. That is exactly what it was in
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the addendum number 3 are the questions and answers to all the
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plan holders. It says that several times.
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the selected contractor shall provide holiday lighting in
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neutral nonholiday specific colors.
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to say it was going to have a workshop for this for the color
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theme when the color theme already is, it says it shall
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provide no holiday specific colors, that's even wors
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than being gaslight. Another thing it says very
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specific also during the four meetings they had, et cetera,
[25:20]
that they must install a menorah but exclusive specifically the
[25:31]
manger from the same display. It said that we cannot have it,
[25:35]
nativity even one of the vendors provided in his offer, and it
[25:40]
was excluded. So again, no nativity, nothing
[25:47]
for one group and everything for another group.
[25:54]
they hads we are going to be discussing the color palette.
[25:57]
how is that possible whenware going to approve right now a
[25:59]
contract that says it cannot be multicolor.
[26:01]
I have that question, city manager.
[26:12]
>> mayor: go ahead, city manager.
[26:13]
>> we had to provide some general outlines in order to get
[26:16]
the bid done, because time is of the essence.
[26:19]
so in terms of substituting one light for another or the
[26:24]
possibility of adding or moving let's say a nativity scene would
[26:29]
be up to the commission, but it certainly falls within our
[26:32]
purview of however we direct the vendor.
[26:35]
>> mayor: okay. Go ahead, commissioner joseph.
[26:37]
>> and that's how we constantly get upcharged.
[26:40]
I mean the whole process is backwards, it just make no sense
[26:44]
to me and we do it year after year.
[26:48]
we should be having the, this workshop.
[26:50]
we should be having it in march or april.
[26:53]
not now. It just makes no sense.
[26:57]
>> mayor: okay. Just want to give others an
[27:00]
opportunity, vice mayor did you want to add anything?
[27:06]
>> I recall having, sitting up here and having a discussion
[27:08]
about it so I don't think -- I don't understand the outrage.
[27:11]
this is, these are things we talked about, so and we should
[27:17]
be having a nativity scene. >> vice mayor has the floor.
[27:21]
>> and we talked about that. And we talked about that.
[27:23]
just because it gets talked about doesn't mean there's
[27:26]
consensus. Just because it's discussed
[27:27]
doesn't mean it was agreed upon so I don't want to go down this
[27:30]
rabbit hole and be here for an hour if you guys want to really
[27:33]
dig into the details, we can have a work shop about the
[27:37]
details, but as far as the contract is concerned, I'm okay
[27:40]
with it. >> mayor: okay.
[27:44]
>> may I say something? >> mayor: please, go ahead.
[27:47]
>> so I think the color and what weaz presented is an improvement
[27:50]
from last year. I still think it needs to be
[27:53]
worked on a little but more. Me personally I like to see some
[27:56]
red and green, which I'm not seeing in this color palette,
[28:01]
these schematics. So I like to see thatt and
[28:06]
obviously we need to talk about the nativity scene as well.
[28:09]
you know I know that there is some legal impediments or
[28:14]
certain laws, but I think we should be discussing that in the
[28:19]
workshop as well. That's it.
[28:26]
we want to streamline and simplify it, and I think we can
[28:29]
work on the color pallettes very easily.
[28:37]
>> we have a red one, the same one, golden one, the same one,
[28:41]
silver one, so -- >> I would go with the red one.
[28:43]
we take a vote. >> that's the point.
[28:46]
that's -- you are not going to see this again.
[28:47]
you know? And also, the issue that we have
[28:50]
here with this bidding process is that the scope of work was
[28:54]
completely open. It was not a line of prices.
[28:58]
so you can not compare when there were not bidding with a
[29:04]
price. So anybody, that they could
[29:06]
submit their own design -- no. >> our price that we were --
[29:10]
>> issments commissioner joseph.
[29:11]
commissioner stuyvesant has the floor.
[29:13]
>> let me read. So what is the competitive
[29:15]
bidding? Genuine price competition m
[29:19]
among comparable fix scope bids.
[29:21]
here we didn't have a fixed scope.
[29:24]
anybody has to submit whatever they wanted.
[29:28]
so even because I saw the four meetings that the committee had
[29:33]
to present thesis recommendation -- these
[29:35]
recommendation, they say themselves our employees are
[29:38]
staff that they could not compare.
[29:41]
I'm quoting. Naithey could not compare
[29:46]
the four bids. They were different.
[29:48]
they were different line items. Different prices.
[29:50]
so we didn't ask them to say let's quote per christmas tree.
[29:56]
tyci manager. >> city question why the
[30:02]
lights were still off in golden shores?
[30:03]
>> I was not aware of it. I'll find out.
[30:05]
>> mayor: okay, thank you. All right.
[30:07]
any other comments? >> oh, actually I do have one.
[30:12]
>> mayor: please, go ahead. >> so I had asked also prior to
[30:15]
tuesday's agenda review regarding what is happening with
[30:21]
the vendors at&t and breeze line regarding the fact that they're
[30:25]
not installing fiber, which had been pulled across the
[30:33]
intercoastal and is at the bridge at golden shores waiting
[30:38]
to be installed but they're just not installing it.
[30:39]
they're looking for additional funds from the city.
[30:46]
>> mayor: deputy manager. >> I'm not aware of them getting
[30:47]
any additional funds from the city.
[30:48]
they have not expressed that to us.
[30:51]
>> so what is the reason that we still have copper when it's
[30:55]
obsolete. >> so a I told you I reached out
[30:57]
to both at&t and breeze line just yesterday, breeze line got
[31:02]
back to us, they are, I could not understand their response,
[31:09]
and I need to getter clarification but they said that
[31:10]
they are using both fiber and copper depending on the cus
[31:20]
customer. >> I was with breeze line they
[31:23]
never offered the opportunity and they just came and
[31:24]
undergrounded mine with copper and their service is on and
[31:27]
off. It's, it's actually still
[31:30]
connected not to the underground.
[31:31]
it's still connected to the overhead.
[31:38]
so they are not being honest with you and we have paid them
[31:43]
millions of dollars so we need follow-through with the city
[31:45]
manager's osto not -- office to not just ride the wave but see
[31:48]
what's happening and get this job completed.
[31:54]
>> mayor: commissioner joseph, can you just clarify your
[31:55]
request so that we can have a discussion?
[31:57]
>> okay, so for next month I want a full follow-up on what
[32:01]
the city manager's office is doing to hold these services to
[32:07]
task in order to have them explain why they're still
[32:12]
installing copper and not installing fiber that everywhere
[32:14]
else in the city has access to. >> mayor?
[32:19]
>> they were supposed to actually, myself and jason,
[32:24]
senator pizzo were promised by at&t and breeze line that fiber
[32:31]
was going to be installed at no additional charge and they're
[32:33]
just not doing it. >> mayor: okay, mr. City
[32:35]
manager? >> we don't regulate at&t or
[32:38]
breeze line. So I'm not sure what you would
[32:42]
like -- >> this contract was signed with
[32:43]
the city. The city signed the contract for
[32:45]
for the installations. >> I'll have to look at that but
[32:49]
we don't regulate -- we don't regulate.
[32:52]
>> no, it's not. We don't regulate either one of
[32:54]
those. >> mayor: mr. City attorney?
[32:56]
>> if they are promising something that they're not
[32:58]
delivering to you as a customer, or anyone as a customer, they're
[33:01]
regulated by the public service commission.
[33:04]
>> so we're paying millions of dollars for the undergrounding
[33:06]
and we have -- >> we're not paying --
[33:08]
>> we have no oversight? >> we're not paying them any
[33:10]
money. >> we haven't paid any millions
[33:11]
of dollars for undergrounding? >> you're undergrounding conduit
[33:16]
but they're -- that's between them and their customers.
[33:20]
and to the extent that they're promising things to you as a
[33:23]
customer, that they're not delivering on, that's regulated
[33:26]
by the public service commission.
[33:27]
>> so we installed conduit for certain services to use,
[33:32]
correct? >> correct.
[33:36]
>> mayor: and we -- so we had hot -- we had hot wire that
[33:39]
wanted to come in and install internet in golden shores, and
[33:45]
for some -- so who was it that didn't allow them to use the --
[33:49]
>> if I recall correctly, hot wire did not want to participate
[33:53]
unless they had full participation from the
[33:54]
neighbors, and they didn't. >> right, that's correct.
[33:56]
>> so we don't regulate that. >> they didn't have the
[34:00]
opportunity to, to even advocate to get opinions from the
[34:07]
residents. I was never asked by hot wire if
[34:09]
I wanted to have their service. >> mayor: well, commissioner
[34:12]
joseph, that's not up to us how they run their business.
[34:14]
that's up to them. We wouldn't be contacting them
[34:19]
and telling them what to do. >> mayor: so we own the conduit,
[34:22]
correct? >> yes.
[34:26]
>> we pay to have the conduit installed and we're allowing
[34:29]
services to install their copper cable, which is obsolete, in our
[34:36]
conduit, without any say so as to what gets installed in that
[34:39]
conduit? >> we don't regulate utilities
[34:41]
the state of florida does. We can't, it's just like fp&l.
[34:46]
they are, we're essentially preempted again, they are, they
[34:49]
fall under the public service commission's jurisdiction.
[34:53]
>> okay, so. >> if they're doing something
[34:55]
they're not supposed to be doing and again a lot of it comes
[34:59]
between the company and the customer what product they
[35:02]
provide, and the city doesn't get involved in that.
[35:05]
>> this was the city that signed the contract with fp&l and the
[35:10]
services several years ago to install the services and
[35:18]
unfortunately, from what I believe is wording similar to
[35:21]
whatever is on the poles goes underground, without anyone
[35:25]
having any foresight to -- or to do any research to understand
[35:31]
that cable, that copper was obsolete or internet service,
[35:38]
and that, that fiber which was already several years ago in use
[35:44]
was the up and coming product for internet, and no one thought
[35:48]
in this city to look out for the residents and have any forward
[35:55]
thinking thought to say you must since we're paying so many
[36:01]
millions, install fiber. Is that correct?
[36:03]
>> mayor: but again, for clarification, as far as who the
[36:06]
city is paying. >> well, that, first of all,
[36:09]
that question should be directed to the manager.
[36:11]
and two, my understanding is that we cannot dictate what
[36:17]
these companies offer. >> so, no.
[36:21]
how many millions have, has the city paid to have the
[36:25]
undergrounding work done? >> that I have to defer to the
[36:28]
city manager. >> mayor: susan?
[36:30]
>> we'll have to research that. Mayor, we're getting off topic.
[36:33]
>> mayor: I understand. >> this number should be on the
[36:36]
tip of your tongue. >> mayor: commissioner joseph,
[36:38]
let's stick to the item on the agenda.
[36:41]
so. >> no, but, no, because then we
[36:43]
get to next month, and we still haven't gotten to the point, and
[36:47]
these services, every resident, 200 something households in
[36:54]
golden shores, are the orphan child of the city.
[36:58]
everyone else in this city, every high rise, atlantic isle,
[37:03]
everywhere, has fiber. Golden shores is the only area
[37:06]
that there is no even hope except what are they saying for
[37:10]
four years? Maybe they'll be installing the
[37:13]
fiber that's right at the bridge on our side in golden shores,
[37:18]
and they might get around to it in four years?
[37:21]
that's totally unacceptable. >> mayor: I hear you.
[37:23]
however, that's not the item on the agenda.
[37:26]
>> well, I've made it --led y like to add this --
[37:30]
>> mayor: we're not. >> I make a motion to add this
[37:32]
to the agenda. >> mayor: okay.
[37:34]
we can't do that right now. >> can we make a motion?
[37:39]
>> [off mic] >> I would like to add a
[37:41]
discussion as to the undergrounding in golden shores,
[37:45]
and why it is not been followed up on by the city manager's
[37:50]
office and we've just allowed them to ride the wave month
[37:55]
after month without accomplishing what they had said
[37:58]
they would accomplish. >> who's they?
[38:01]
>> the at&t and breeze line. We finally have completion
[38:05]
except for one property for fp&l's undergrounding.
[38:10]
and that's another issue that for another day if that doesn't
[38:14]
get resolved that I have to bring up for one resident in
[38:18]
golden shores that's been tortured with their electrical
[38:21]
power. >> mayor: no, I understand.
[38:22]
I think that what you're asking for is not something that we can
[38:26]
possibly even discuss today. >> well, I want to bring it to a
[38:30]
head so that the city manager who's it's his duty with all the
[38:35]
millions we've paid out for the undergrounding, to be aggressive
[38:39]
in following up and holding these services, they're feet to
[38:46]
the fireford to get the job -- fire in order to get the job
[38:50]
done in the way it was promised.
[38:52]
>> mayor: I understand that but the question that you're asking
[38:53]
is not within the remit of the city manager as far as giving
[38:57]
any sort of direction to a private utility.
[39:02]
>> well,. >> mayor: is my point.
[39:03]
>> we have the city attorney f. We have to bring suit against
[39:05]
them, then that's what we should be doing.
[39:07]
>> mayor: I understand but you must agree this is a very, very
[39:09]
big scope of discussion that you're looking to --
[39:13]
>> month after month and there's never any --
[39:15]
>> mayor: I understand. How about this, why don't you
[39:16]
work it through with the city attorney and the manager and
[39:19]
bring it on for next month so that we're all clear and
[39:22]
vaadvanced notice of what exactly you want to discuss.
[39:26]
>>> great. >> mayor: okay.
[39:27]
thank you. >> be ready.
[39:29]
>> mayor: okay. We'll be ready.
[39:30]
all right. I'll take a motion then?
[39:34]
>> so moved. >> mayor: I need a second?
[39:42]
>> no second. Okay.
[39:45]
so what do we do in this instance?
[39:48]
the item dies? >> remains.
[39:50]
>> mayor: okay, status quo. Okay, next item.
[39:53]
>> next item is 9d, a resolution approving an agreement with
[39:58]
pipeline plumbing service of broward for as needed citywide
[40:01]
plumbing and back flow repairs. >> mayor: okay.
[40:04]
mr. City manager. >> mayor, vice mayor, members of
[40:06]
the commission. This is an agreement with
[40:09]
pipeline plumbing for as needed citywide plumbing and back flow
[40:15]
repairs. >> mayor: okay.
[40:16]
do we have any public speakers. >> no, ma'am.
[40:17]
>> mayor: all right, I will take comments and questions from the
[40:20]
commission. I will take a motion then.
[40:22]
>> motion. >> need a second.
[40:24]
>> second. >> all in favor?
[40:26]
all right. Next item, please.
[40:31]
>> 9e, is a resolution approving a 4th amendment to the
[40:35]
agreement with universal protection service llc doing
[40:39]
business as alight universal security services for armed
[40:43]
security -- unarmed security guard services at government
[40:46]
center. >> mayor: okay, mr. City
[40:48]
manager. >> mayor, vice mayor, members of
[40:49]
the commission. This is the company that
[40:51]
provides security guard services at the government center 24
[40:54]
hours a day. >> mayor: thank you.
[40:56]
do we have public speakers? >> no, ma'am.
[40:58]
>> mayor: any comments from the commission?
[41:00]
>> no. >> mayor: I'll take a motion,
[41:03]
please? >> so moved.
[41:06]
>> mayor: I need a second? >> second.
[41:08]
>> mayor: all in favor? Okay.
[41:09]
next item, please. >> 9f is a resolution approving
[41:12]
the issuance of a purchase order to cspi technology solutions for
[41:16]
the purchase of uninterruptible power supply units.
[41:22]
>> mayor: mr. City manager? >> mayor, vice mayor, members of
[41:23]
the commission. This item is for backup power
[41:30]
supply for I.t. >> mayor: all right, do we have
[41:33]
any public speaking cards? >> no, ma'am.
[41:35]
>> mayor: all right, you sure? >> yes.
[41:38]
>> mayor: okay. I'll take a questions from the
[41:40]
commission. Go ahead, commissioner joseph.
[41:41]
>> at the agenda review even though it's just tampingantatory
[41:46]
to this -- tangbatory to this item I had asked regarding the
[41:50]
solar panels on the city on city hall roof.
[41:53]
is there any information that you have that I had requested?
[42:00]
>> mayor? >> mayor: please.
[42:02]
>> the solar panels we check with our I.t. Director, and
[42:04]
would not be compatible for this use.
[42:10]
>> no, I understand, but I had sent over information regarding
[42:12]
different types of solar panels.
[42:13]
I was asking what type of solar, solar panels do we have
[42:17]
exactly? >> solar panels is a separate
[42:20]
issue. And we're still gathering the
[42:21]
information on that. >> I'm asking for brand, make
[42:33]
and category, and efficiencies regarding the solar panels that
[42:36]
are installed on the city hall roof, whether it was taken into
[42:44]
account, the heat factor, and sun factor in sunny isles in
[42:50]
south florida regarding the type of solar panels that were
[42:54]
installed or was it just done willy-nilly like so many other
[42:58]
things that we waste money on in this city.
[43:04]
>> mayor: okay. Anyone else?
[43:07]
>> I would like that for next month, please.
[43:10]
>> mayor: that could be done probably by email, your
[43:12]
request. >> mayor: okay, okay.
[43:17]
perfect. I need a motion.
[43:18]
>> so moved. >> mayor: I need a second.
[43:21]
>> second. >> mayor: all in favor?
[43:23]
all right. Next item, please.
[43:26]
it's g and h combined. >> 9g is a resolution approving
[43:29]
a use and occupancy agreement and addendum thereto with the
[43:34]
florida department of transportation for public
[43:35]
parking and other public purposes on parcel number 7756
[43:41]
located at 500 sunny isles boulevard.
[43:44]
19h is a resolution approving a use and occupancy agreement, and
[43:48]
addendum thereto with the florida department of
[43:50]
transportation for parcel number 3129 located at 500 sunny isles
[43:55]
boulevard. >> mayor: okay.
[43:56]
mr. City manager? >> mayor, vice mayor, members of
[43:58]
the commission, these two parcels are near each other off
[44:02]
of sunny isles boulevard and fdot owns these parcels.
[44:06]
this enters into an agreement with fdot, so we can further
[44:09]
develop and use those parcels. >> mayor: all right.
[44:13]
mr. City clerk, do we have public speakers?
[44:16]
okay I'll take comments from the commission.
[44:18]
>> yeah, I have a question because here they make keeping
[44:21]
reference to exhibit b. It says everything is about
[44:27]
exhibit b or the map, et cetera, are but there is no exhibit b in
[44:33]
any of the three items. >> so how can we vote if we
[44:38]
don't the full information. Another thing is that it says as
[44:46]
well that we need to do these so we can, we can sublease the
[44:52]
property for the playground, et cetera.
[44:54]
but now we don't even have the sublease portion being added to
[44:58]
the agenda. So like I said, the exhibit b,
[45:02]
which is what it says the most important part, is not
[45:06]
ininincluded anywhere. It just says draft.
[45:17]
so I do believe we should defer this item until we have the full
[45:22]
scope and all the information. >> sorry, which exhibit b are
[45:26]
you referencing? To t
[45:28]
>> three of them say exhibit b over and over.
[45:30]
no not in the resolution, in the remands.
[45:32]
>> mayor: what page is it? >> okay.
[45:33]
let me go. >> it looks like it's at least
[45:35]
one of them is 4d on page 2. >> I found 14 reference to
[45:47]
exhibit b and it's nowhere. And that's a specific what is
[45:51]
like the scope, the terms, et cetera.
[45:55]
what it's supposed to be the okay, the residents state that
[46:04]
fdot using occupancy agreement and addenda are appended hereto
[46:11]
and incorporated as competent exhibit b but we don't have any
[46:13]
exhibit b. And that's exactly about the use
[46:18]
and o occupancy agreement. It says then later on that we
[46:23]
acknowledge receipt -- we acknowledge provisions exhibit
[46:26]
b, we don't have any exhibit b. >> I'm going to let the city
[46:32]
attorney answer that. >> or the sublease is exhibit b,
[46:40]
again, no exhibit b. So how can we vote on something
[46:43]
that we don't have? >> okay, what page were you
[47:23]
referring to? Just pick one.
[47:26]
>> put f and put exhibit b and you're going to find it.
[47:31]
it's more than 14 reference and that's exactly the exhibit that
[47:34]
is going to be redrawing the boundaries.
[47:37]
in the legal description, all of that, none of that is there.
[47:47]
>> no, I don't know. >> I have 20 pages as, I have 20
[47:57]
pages on the use and occupancy agreement.
[47:59]
I have the resolution and the cover page, that's what I have.
[48:01]
>> okay, you read it? >> what do you have?
[48:04]
>> I have the same thing. >> so where is -- so exhibit b.
[48:07]
>> it's supposed to have the scope.
[48:09]
>> at the end, but -- >> in the occupancy.
[48:12]
>> it's in all the documents. >> in the resolution.
[48:15]
>> it's not in the resolution. It's not in the memo.
[48:18]
it's in the document. >> it should be everywhere.
[48:20]
>> in the 18 pages document you're going to see three of
[48:23]
them at the end, and also it makess reference to exhibit b --
[48:27]
c, exhibit c is not -- >> it only has exhibit a in
[48:31]
the -- >> right.
[48:32]
>> in the occupancy agreement. >> mayor: page 2, number 4 of
[48:37]
page 2. >> thank you.
[48:42]
>> it says it under d. Described in exhibit b.
[48:48]
>> mayor and commissioners, the attachment, the exhibit b was
[48:55]
attached to the sublease agreement, so if you look at the
[48:59]
schematic, the item they pulled.
[49:01]
>> that's the one with the schematics and the shaded green
[49:06]
areas. >> yes, that's what is being
[49:07]
referenced as exhibit b. It was just added to the
[49:10]
wrong -- >> which is the deferred item.
[49:13]
>> yeah. >> and I do see the schematic.
[49:16]
but it doesn't say there that's exhibit b because we had exhibit
[49:20]
a and the schematic is just it's supposed to be like the tree
[49:26]
survey and the position. And disposition.
[49:31]
and it's like I said, it's not in the two resolutions that
[49:36]
we're voting on right now. >> okay, mauricio, for the
[49:40]
record, could you clarify where it is, please?
[49:44]
>> it's in the deferred item. >> it's attached to item 9j, and
[49:50]
it's labeled as schematic for that.
[49:52]
>> for exhibit b. >> rather than exhibit b.
[49:55]
but that, it should be attached to items 9h and 9i.
[50:00]
>> so it was inadvertently left out.
[50:02]
>> yeah, attached to the wrong item.
[50:06]
>> mayor: okay. All right.
[50:11]
so is it available right now on, online?
[50:15]
>> it is available online, yes. >> mayor: okay.
[50:20]
>> again, it's not what it's making, it says in the
[50:26]
resolutions that it's going to have including the scope, the
[50:30]
boundaries, et cetera, so like I said, it's not there.
[50:34]
here we can see the schematic, which are the survey, the
[50:38]
drawings, the trees, et cetera. That's not the reference that
[50:43]
the contract is making about exhibit b over and over.
[50:48]
>> may I? >> yeah, please, go ahead.
[50:51]
>> is the plan to have the sublease item back on next
[51:00]
month? Or is there some things to be
[51:02]
worked out? >> some version of that should
[51:05]
be back next month, yes, that is the intent.
[51:12]
>> okay. >> so we should have --
[51:12]
>> so we should -- you know, combine everything refer for all
[51:16]
for next month or. >> we cannot vote on something
[51:18]
we don't have. >> there is something time
[51:20]
sensitive at this point nat we need to pass this or can we
[51:25]
wait? >> mayor?
[51:26]
>> mayor: let city manager answer that.
[51:28]
>> it can be deferred for a month.
[51:32]
>> mayor: okay. Does this not slow down us being
[51:33]
able to add the parking? >> yes, it does.
[51:36]
>> it delays it, yes. >> mayor: I'm just concerned
[51:38]
that we are in very, very big need of parking in that area, so
[51:43]
this delays the parking by at least a month?
[51:48]
>> yes. >> mayor: okay, are you all
[51:49]
comfortable deferring it then? >> why was the item deferred?
[51:54]
>> I don't know. >> because there is no exact --
[51:58]
[off mic] >> no.
[52:00]
>> mayor: please. Nothing from the audience,
[52:01]
please. Okay.
[52:03]
so I want to get a very, very clear picture of this before we
[52:05]
start deferring anything because there have been multiple
[52:09]
complaints in that area for parking.
[52:12]
so the item that was deferred you said it's coming back next
[52:16]
month in some other way. >> correct.
[52:21]
>> yes, so but can you clarify for the commission and for the
[52:26]
public why those things need to be connected or don't need to be
[52:28]
connected so that way we can make a good decision here not
[52:32]
just defer it because we don't want to vote on it.
[52:35]
>> okay, so the use on occupancy agreement is intentional to be
[52:40]
able to bifurcate the green open area from the paved parking area
[52:46]
which is used for a public parking area that has a revenue
[52:51]
generator in it. The green open space ask just
[52:55]
green open space. So the first step is to
[52:59]
bifurcate those parcels into two separate pieces.
[53:04]
the sublease agreement which was our initial reason for doing
[53:09]
that had to be approved by fdot first and also by us and then it
[53:13]
was sent to the jewish community center upon their review, they
[53:19]
had some edits and some concerns with the agreement as written,
[53:24]
they would like to consider changing some terms.
[53:27]
they want to meet with us after to see if we could come to a
[53:32]
different agreement that is less of a sublease and more of a
[53:36]
donation where we are not subleasing to them.
[53:41]
we are still maintaining the fdot property, but they would
[53:46]
donate the playground. >> mayor: right but I don't want
[53:49]
to commingle those two things because the revenue that we
[53:54]
generate from that parking, I don't know if you had an
[53:58]
opportunity to confirm how much that is per month, I had asked
[54:01]
for that. >> it was sent to us.
[54:02]
>> I did send it to you. >> mayor: you did?
[54:05]
I missed it then if you can bull that up because missing out
[54:10]
obviously not just we want the additional parking, but we need
[54:14]
to be mindful about the lost revenue as
[54:20]
>> also in the future, we're planning on having -- or when
[54:29]
miami-dade gets around to it -- >> mayor: I want to make sure
[54:33]
we're tight on this, because any additional delays can compound
[54:38]
all of the delays, and this had been a long time coming to get
[54:42]
extra parking there. >> so the revenue to date from
[54:48]
october 1 this fiscal year to june 3rd is $78,885.97.
[54:56]
the revenue from last fiscal year was $110,924 $110,924.87.
[55:05]
>> mayor: and how many more parking spaces would this
[55:08]
increase? >> 18 additional and two
[55:10]
additional handicapped spaces. >> mayor: and how many do we
[55:14]
have there now off the top of your head?
[55:19]
>> 30? >> mayor: I know it doesn't
[55:20]
double it, but it's a significant enough amount that
[55:22]
it's warranted, okay. One second.
[55:26]
I just want to make sure we're all clear as to what we're
[55:29]
talking about here. Go ahead, commissioner joseph.
[55:35]
>> so I understand that on the third floor at gateway parking
[55:41]
lot, the temple rents spaces, correct?
[55:48]
>> through their zoning approval from a previous commission, they
[55:53]
purchased a number of spaces. They are actually on the roof.
[55:58]
>> how many? >> again, sir, I'm -- 26, I
[56:01]
think? >> okay.
[56:02]
are there any other available, any other spots available.
[56:09]
>> yes. I mean, it depends.
[56:12]
>> so why don't we allow them to rent more spots?
[56:16]
>> if they would like to, we could.
[56:19]
they do rent it for special events.
[56:21]
>> but this parking is not limited to just the -- this is
[56:26]
public parking. >> I understand.
[56:28]
but most of them will be taken up by shul goers?
[56:34]
>> potentially. There's also a business there.
[56:35]
>> yeah, so I'm not thinking though short term.
[56:39]
I'm thinking long term. >> no, I understand that, but
[56:42]
there's also a business there that needs parking that has
[56:46]
nothing to do with the shul that could benefit from that parking.
[56:51]
>> and I've been there when people are parking there and
[56:53]
walking to the restaurant, so, yes, even when there's an event
[56:57]
at the synagogue. >> mayor: sure.
[57:00]
>> but I'm just thinking if the synagogue is saying they're so
[57:06]
pressed for spots, why don't we offer them the more spots at
[57:14]
gateway? Since there are so many more
[57:19]
available? >> mayor: that's always
[57:19]
available to them. >> they're aware of those spots.
[57:22]
>> but maybe it hasn't been presented in this manner at this
[57:25]
time for them to accept them and alleviate any pressure for the
[57:31]
parking. >> mayor: but again, this is
[57:33]
not specific to the synagogue, so --
[57:35]
>> yes, I know that. But that would also open up more
[57:38]
spaces for the restaurant. Possibly.
[57:42]
>> mayor: I think people park wherever is convenient for them.
[57:49]
anyone else? >> did we have a motion on
[57:53]
deferral? >> mayor: not yet.
[57:54]
>> I agree with commissioner joseph.
[57:56]
I think if there is something that alleviates an immediate
[58:01]
problem if there is one and we can just do it right and the
[58:04]
city manager says there's no harm, no foul, I'm good with
[58:11]
deferring as well. >> mayor: so you're making a
[58:13]
motion to defer. >> yes.
[58:15]
>> mayor: I need a second. >> second.
[58:17]
>> mayor: all in favor? [ chorus of ayes ]
[58:22]
>> I'm a no on that, just for the record.
[58:24]
next item, please. >> next item is
[58:34]
9.j a resolution of the city of sunny isles beach, florida,
[58:35]
allowing the mayor and commissioners, at each elected
[58:37]
official's sole choice and option, to enroll and
[58:39]
participate in and receive the same insurance benefits as is
[58:42]
available to city's regular employees, including for a
[58:46]
period not to exceed two years after the end of the elected
[58:47]
officials' respective terms of office.
[58:52]
>> mayor: mr. City manager? >> mayor, vice mayor, members of
[58:54]
the commission, this is an item we discussed at a workshop and
[58:57]
we're bringing it back to you for approval.
[59:01]
it would establish the ability for the elected officials after
[59:05]
serving two full terms to participate in the city's health
[59:10]
insurance for two years. >> mayor: just for
[59:13]
clarification, I want to make sure that we understand the
[59:18]
item. Mr. City attorney?
[59:20]
>> the first initial part of it is just memorializing what the
[59:24]
status quo already is, that you're conferring upon yourself
[59:30]
the benefits since 2010 have been received by elected
[59:34]
officials. When we had the discussion,
[59:35]
there was a component that there was direction to come up with a
[59:41]
gap filler with regards to once an elected official leaves
[59:46]
office to allow them to get on to other insurance.
[59:48]
so I believe the consensus was two years, so that's what we
[59:53]
were proposing, but again that's all up to you.
[59:56]
>> mayor: and just for the members of the public or anyone
[59:59]
watching, currently the commission receives the option
[1:00:01]
of participating in the health insurance, same as the city
[1:00:06]
staff, and has been since 2010. >> I believe so, yes, 2010.
[1:00:11]
>> mayor: do we have public speakers?
[1:00:14]
mauricio? >> but that's not for free.
[1:00:17]
>> mayor: I understand, yes, of course.
[1:00:20]
>> we do. Dina goldman?
[1:00:23]
>> my name is dina goldman. I reside at 308 point sienna
[1:00:30]
drive, and I just want to say a quick support for this
[1:00:34]
initiative. I think it very well
[1:00:37]
memorializes something that is a well-needed benefit for elected
[1:00:43]
officials, and they provide tremendous service, the ones
[1:00:47]
that provide that service for two consecutive terms.
[1:00:53]
and they work hard and contribute a lot and this is a
[1:01:00]
finite -- there are finite parameters to this and it's a
[1:01:04]
very welcome initiative. And I'm happy to support that.
[1:01:08]
>> mayor: thank you. Any other speakers?
[1:01:10]
>> no, ma'am. >> mayor: all right, I'll take
[1:01:12]
comments -- go ahead, commissioner joseph.
[1:01:15]
>> I'm looking for a definition of a full term.
[1:01:21]
>> yes, that's right, there was during the agenda review, that
[1:01:23]
question was asked. >> right.
[1:01:26]
I think in our conversations before, we had talked about the
[1:01:32]
appointed less of a full term, but mauricio, you had quoted
[1:01:36]
that section of the -- back on tuesday.
[1:01:42]
as we discussed, commissioner joseph, if it's an appointed
[1:01:47]
unexpired term, that wouldn't count as a term, but the
[1:01:50]
question you posed to me before the meeting which we need to
[1:01:54]
check is if in your case you were elected to an unexpired
[1:01:59]
term, whether that counts as a term or not.
[1:02:01]
>> mayor: and does it have to be the entire term.
[1:02:04]
>> the way it's written now, the resolution is a full both two
[1:02:10]
full uninterrupted elected terms.
[1:02:13]
>> mayor: so if you're one day short of the term, then you're
[1:02:15]
not eligible? >> that was the direction I got
[1:02:17]
from the city manager, yes. >> mayor: I understand, all
[1:02:19]
right. >> so nobody quits in the
[1:02:23]
middle. >> and in that regard, it would
[1:02:25]
allow me to run again? >> mayor: no, you would be
[1:02:30]
eligible to use the insurance. >> no, he cannot.
[1:02:33]
>> mayor: yes, because it's a full term for him.
[1:02:36]
>> no, it's not. They need to clarify that.
[1:02:41]
>> mayor: specifically for anyone that has the three years
[1:02:45]
as a full term, they were elected to a term and they can't
[1:02:49]
add an extra year, so is that considered a full term or not?
[1:02:54]
>> what jerry and fabiola have are full terms.
[1:02:58]
because if it weren't, then that's what he's saying.
[1:03:03]
if it weren't, then he would be able to run for commissioner
[1:03:08]
again. >> yes, correct.
[1:03:12]
>> there's language in the charter that defines, and I
[1:03:18]
remember looking at it some time ago, and you guys are well
[1:03:23]
within that. It's like when you were in that
[1:03:27]
two-and-a-half -- it's like around that two-year mark that
[1:03:29]
it gets fuzzy, but if you're not able to run for that seat again,
[1:03:35]
it's because that counts as a full term and that's the
[1:03:38]
position that you're in. >> mayor: right, that was my
[1:03:41]
question during the agenda review.
[1:03:43]
so are we including something like that as a full term?
[1:03:50]
>> section c23 (c). >> right.
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and will end at midnight the day before the mention in the term
[1:03:56]
whether or not it is actually completed, except a vacancy
[1:03:59]
being filled for less than two years remaining and the filling
[1:04:02]
of that term shall not be counted as a term under this
[1:04:05]
section. >> mayor: so it counts?
[1:04:07]
>> so if you get elected to fill in for more than two years, then
[1:04:13]
that counts as a full term, according to our charter.
[1:04:16]
>> okay, so then for health reasons as well, health
[1:04:21]
insurance reasons, then it's a full term.
[1:04:25]
>> I would think so. >> but you can't have it both
[1:04:29]
ways, so it has to be determined.
[1:04:30]
>> mayor: I agree with that. Mr. City attorney, is that --
[1:04:36]
>> what's the other way? I don't know what both ways
[1:04:40]
means. >> what commissioner joseph is
[1:04:42]
saying is you cannot run for a third term because his would not
[1:04:45]
be considered a full term under this --
[1:04:48]
>> but it is a full term. >> exactly, that's what he's
[1:04:51]
saying. If it's a full term, then it's a
[1:04:53]
full term for all purposes. >> yes, correct.
[1:04:57]
>> mayor: but I want to make sure that's what's in the
[1:04:59]
resolution. >> don't give the health
[1:05:02]
insurance and I'll run again! >> the resolution definitely
[1:05:05]
talks about a full term. As to what a full term is is
[1:05:10]
dictated by your charter. >> right, you can say as set
[1:05:13]
forth in c23 ... Whatever. >> mayor: all right.
[1:05:18]
anyone else? Go ahead.
[1:05:23]
>> so I want to be very precise, okay?
[1:05:26]
because the public is owed precision when we're spending
[1:05:30]
their money on ourself. This resolution will have
[1:05:36]
taxpayers pay for the health insurance for two years after
[1:05:43]
elected officials are no longer in office.
[1:05:49]
I heard it suggested we have to do this to follow the law, but
[1:05:53]
we don't. >> no, no, I did not say that.
[1:05:57]
>> no, you're interrupting me -- >> mayor: wait a second.
[1:06:00]
>> I'm being interrupted. >> mayor: wait, commissioner
[1:06:04]
stuyvesant, I want to make sure the record is clear --
[1:06:07]
>> you're not required to confer upon yourself benefits after you
[1:06:11]
leave office. Simply the status quo since
[1:06:13]
2010. I'm not saying that you are
[1:06:17]
required to give yourself insurance after you leave
[1:06:20]
office. >> I asked in the last
[1:06:22]
commission meeting if we were breaking the law several times
[1:06:25]
with the status quo and your answer was yes.
[1:06:28]
>> with the status quo, you are receiving insurance that has not
[1:06:31]
been conferred upon yourself, so you need to formalize that but
[1:06:36]
that doesn't talk about insurance after your term.
[1:06:39]
>> mayor: those are two separate things.
[1:06:40]
>> and I asked specifically if we were breaking the law many
[1:06:43]
times. I'm going to ask again.
[1:06:46]
the status quo that we have right now, are we breaking the
[1:06:49]
law? >> you've been receiving
[1:06:51]
benefits since 2010 -- >> it's a yes or no question.
[1:06:54]
>> no, it's not. >> it is.
[1:06:58]
it's your interpretation as always.
[1:07:01]
so I'm going to -- >> you need to memorialize, you
[1:07:04]
have to confer upon yourself the benefits you receive.
[1:07:06]
the city manager can't do it. The city manager back in the day
[1:07:10]
in 2010 couldn't do it. You have to confer that upon
[1:07:13]
yourself. >> again, that's your
[1:07:16]
interpretation. October 29, 2009, in 2007, the
[1:07:22]
city was audited by the irs, and one of the stipulations
[1:07:27]
effective january 1, 2008, was that the salary of elected
[1:07:32]
officials -- salary -- be subject to all applicable
[1:07:37]
federal income taxes. Moving on: this information was
[1:07:43]
only recently learned after lengthy discussions with florida
[1:07:50]
retirement system representatives.
[1:07:52]
nothing to do with insurance. We are talking about frs.
[1:07:56]
frs has recommended that the city comply by simply including
[1:08:01]
the elected officials in the next monthly report.
[1:08:06]
we are talking about the florida retirement system.
[1:08:11]
it doesn't make any allegation to health insurance.
[1:08:17]
the analyzed cost for the city is seven thousand whatever
[1:08:19]
whatever and the elected officials are eligible for the
[1:08:23]
same benefits and subject to the same requirements as regular
[1:08:29]
city employees. >> yes, because then you're
[1:08:31]
considered an employee. >> moving on, it says proposed
[1:08:36]
next steps. Meet with the elected officials
[1:08:38]
so if there is any interest in enrolling the city in the
[1:08:43]
elected official class of frs, an approval resolution for frs
[1:08:48]
at the november or december commission meeting.
[1:08:53]
this is extremely self-serving. I'm embarrassed to even be
[1:08:57]
having this discussion right now.
[1:09:01]
because for the time being, we have three elected officials
[1:09:04]
that are going to be out of office this november.
[1:09:09]
and right now, they are trying to codify to continue receiving
[1:09:13]
health insurance for the next two years on your dime and my
[1:09:19]
dime, because I'm a resident of sunny isles beach, so when we're
[1:09:24]
in longer working, you are going to continue paying for our
[1:09:28]
family health insurance. So my question is very simple --
[1:09:35]
>> I said I already recused myself from the vote.
[1:09:38]
>> according to the law, florida constitution article 7, number
[1:09:44]
10, public money may be spent only for a public, municipal
[1:09:51]
purpose. What is the municipal purpose of
[1:09:55]
paying the health insurance of the families of elected
[1:10:00]
officials when they're no longer in office for the next 24
[1:10:03]
months? It's a very simple question
[1:10:05]
about municipal purpose. >> can I answer that?
[1:10:08]
>> mayor: please, go ahead. >> the florida attorney general,
[1:10:11]
several florida attorney generals, have opined that it's
[1:10:15]
absolutely permissible for you to receive benefits.
[1:10:18]
>> we may. We don't must.
[1:10:19]
I have your answer here. It says you're going to say that
[1:10:23]
it requires the city to pay for a former official's insurance.
[1:10:30]
>> article 7 does not apply in this case.
[1:10:32]
>> so this is a choice. We are choosing to make the
[1:10:36]
people pay for us when we are no longer in office.
[1:10:40]
so I really wanted to see what is the municipal purpose.
[1:10:43]
that's my question, it's very simple.
[1:10:50]
>> mayor: okay, for clarification, again, these are
[1:10:52]
two separate things. Since 2010, the members of
[1:10:57]
whomever was sitting up here on the dais had the option of using
[1:11:02]
the city health insurance. Some did, some didn't.
[1:11:06]
that's since 2010. It was recently realized that it
[1:11:09]
was never put in a resolution. So this was a cleanup in order
[1:11:13]
to say if members of the commission are going to continue
[1:11:15]
to receive health insurance, it needs to be resolved.
[1:11:19]
in addition to that, and this is the secondary thing, there would
[1:11:23]
be an additional benefit if an elected official wanted to use
[1:11:28]
it after leaving office where they can continue using the
[1:11:31]
insurance for themselves, as I understand, not their families,
[1:11:35]
themselves. They can pay for their families
[1:11:36]
for an additional two years. So those are two separate
[1:11:40]
things. One thing is the status quo
[1:11:43]
happening since 2010 and the second thing is secondary and
[1:11:45]
additional. >> that's not the issue in front
[1:11:49]
of us. >> mayor: it is.
[1:11:50]
but I want to give someone else an opportunity to speak, please,
[1:11:54]
that has not yet. You've spoken.
[1:11:57]
>> I've spoken. >> mayor: commissioner lama,
[1:12:00]
did you want to add anything? >> first of all, I want to just
[1:12:04]
clarify a couple things or correct a couple things that
[1:12:06]
were said. This is not for families.
[1:12:09]
I don't know where you get that information from.
[1:12:12]
>> you can pay additional for families.
[1:12:13]
>> mayor: one at a time, please.
[1:12:15]
>> but you'll have to pay for them.
[1:12:18]
>> yeah, like now. >> so it just applies to the
[1:12:23]
elected official and has a cap of two years.
[1:12:26]
>> correct. >> so it is very clear.
[1:12:29]
and this is not something out of the ordinary either, because
[1:12:32]
other cities have similar type of policies.
[1:12:36]
some cities don't, some cities do.
[1:12:39]
so, I mean, you're making it seem as if the residents are
[1:12:43]
going to be paying endless amounts of money.
[1:12:45]
and this is an opportunity that's been given to other
[1:12:50]
people that are going to run and become elected officials as
[1:12:52]
well. And I think just like exmayor
[1:12:57]
goldman said, it's good to give those elected officials a gap so
[1:13:04]
when we get back to let's say our normal lives, we can have
[1:13:10]
some time to adjust and look for other options when it comes to
[1:13:15]
health insurance. >> mayor: okay, vice mayor?
[1:13:18]
did you want to add anything? >> only that the memo being
[1:13:23]
referred to is frs. And it has nothing to do with
[1:13:26]
insurance, I agree with that. This is frs.
[1:13:29]
it doesn't apply. It's not for families.
[1:13:31]
this is not codifying -- we went over all of this already.
[1:13:35]
>> and just to be clear, so under chapter 112, your
[1:13:41]
employees that retire, that actually retire, you are
[1:13:45]
required under florida law to provide them continuing
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insurance in the same -- intermixed with your other
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employees so they get the benefit of the lower.
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>> and how long is that for? >> continuously.
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for your retired employees, those that fit the definition of
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a retired employee. That's in the statute.
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[ off mic ] >> mayor: can we just -- I'd
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like -- we need to maintain decorum up here.
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commissioner stuyvesant, let the city attorney finish what he's
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saying. >> so under florida law under
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chapter 112, you're required for your retired employees to
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continue their health insurance if they so opt to do that.
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>> for life? >> yes.
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>> under chapter 166, you have the authority to extend that to
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other employees that are not deemed retirees because it's not
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prohibited by state law, okay? You are allowed to do it.
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in fact, you did it before for your city attorney for many,
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many years, right? This is the same thing.
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you have the authority under 166 to do that if you want to.
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fair point with municipal purpose, you need to decide what
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that municipal purpose is, no doubt about that.
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but it is not prohibited for you under your home rule powers to
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go ahead and confer that upon yourselves because specifically
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it's not prohibited under 112 and it's consistent with the
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fact that for your other employees that are retired, you
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have to provide them by law. And you can extend that to
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others if you so wish, which you've done in the past.
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>> so I know personally former employees from the city that
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were invited to the fourth floor just to realize that they were
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being forced to resign. So when any of our employees,
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let's say a police officer, a lady police officer, she is
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pregnant, and she's forced to resign, are we going to give
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them the courtesy of two years of health insurance?
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yes or no, is that for all the employees or politicians, we're
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a special class that we have to have special treatment?
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because we cannot retire. We have specific terms for a
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reason. So retirement benefits do not
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apply for us. That status does not apply to
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us. Like you said, that status
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implies that we can do it. That we are not prohibited to do
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it. Not that we have to do it.
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however, my question remains the same.
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so a police officer that is pregnant and they get fired, are
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we giving that police officer two more years of courtesy
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insurance? Yes or no?
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>> not if you fire an employee. Why would you give benefits to
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someone you fired? >> I'm asking the city manager.
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>> mayor: go ahead, city manager, when an employee is
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fired, do they retain benefits? >> not in they're terminated,
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no. >> if they resign?
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voluntarily. >> mayor: if an employee
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resigns, do they maintain benefits?
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>> they may be able to under cobra.
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>> ccobra is just an expensive carry-over.
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>> so we're not paying the insurance of that police officer
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that was forced to resign? Like we do on the fourth floor.
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so again, this is about choices. Sadly, this is about right and
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wrong. I, myself, due to my current
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family situation, understand very well the need of health
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insurance. I have a family member with a
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very bad condition, so I get it. However, this is not a personal
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issue. This is about right and wrong.
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these are not the rules of engagement.
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the people voting for this will benefit from this immediately.
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if we wanted to do this, this is so important to do, so none of
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us should be eligible to receive this benefit.
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and then we can be making a decision that it will make
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sense. But right now, this is a
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good-bye gift we're giving to ourself and again this is
[1:18:23]
totally wrong. That's why people don't trust
[1:18:29]
government anymore. It's completely self-serving.
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if the idea that you claim is just to clean up the status quo,
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that option of two more years should not even be there.
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and if we want to do that as a perk for the people to run for
[1:18:44]
office, the proper way, because it's people's money, should be
[1:18:48]
put to a referendum and we allow the people to say you know what,
[1:18:53]
elected officials have a very hard job.
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maybe they should not be making ten or $20,000 a year.
[1:18:59]
maybe they have to be making 50. Maybe they should be having
[1:19:02]
better benefits. That is up to the people, not to
[1:19:06]
us, to increase our salaries or to start giving us perks that
[1:19:12]
are not there right now. So this is morally
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reprehensible, completely wrong. And in the spirit of being fair,
[1:19:23]
none of us should be able to benefit from this.
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>> mayor: okay. Anyone else?
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all right. I'll take a motion on the item.
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>> so moved. >> mayor: I need a second.
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>> roll call, mayor? >> mayor: yes.
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>> commissioner joseph. >> I defer my vote.
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>> you can't. >> well, call me last, please.
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>> commissioner joseph, you need to vote.
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>> no. >> commissioner stuyvesant.
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>> no. >> commissioner lama.
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>> yes. >> vice mayor viscarra.
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>> yes. >> mayor svechin?
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>> mayor: before I vote, I just want to say that earlier during
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our workshop, we had a discussion about how in november
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there's going to be some changes to all of our tax bills
[1:20:27]
potentially. And while we are an incredibly
[1:20:29]
healthy city, thank god, and we're doing very well, we don't
[1:20:33]
know how that's going to work out after november.
[1:20:36]
so perhaps in past years, I would have been supportive of
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this item. I think that given how things
[1:20:43]
may or likely will change in november, it's important that we
[1:20:50]
are more I guess -- it's not about responsibility.
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I would say just more conservative and while I do
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agree that health insurance for elected officials is absolutely
[1:21:01]
something that should be allowed, I don't use it, but
[1:21:04]
that doesn't mean it's a bad thing, not at all.
[1:21:08]
there are some things that elected officials should be able
[1:21:11]
to get. And perhaps after november,
[1:21:16]
whomever new people are up here, they may decide they want to
[1:21:20]
revisit this, but based on that and what's happening in
[1:21:23]
november, I'm a no. >> the motion and resolution
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fails. >> commissioner joseph needed to
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vote. >> I did.
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>> he voted no. >> may I say something?
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so I think that the purpose of this is not to, you know, shower
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ourselves with extra benefits or anything.
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because if we had bad intentions like other cities have done, we
[1:21:49]
would have raised our salaries exponentially, because what we
[1:21:54]
get paid, I mean, I'm thankful for it, but obviously we can not
[1:21:57]
earn a living from that. Other cities make a lot less.
[1:22:00]
other cities don't make anything.
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other elected officials don't make anything.
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so I think it's fair to give the opportunity to people that have
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been sitting here for eight years to have that gap, that
[1:22:13]
cushion. Because now when let's say they
[1:22:18]
finish their terms, you need some time to kind of adjust, and
[1:22:23]
whether you're going go into the corporate world or go into
[1:22:28]
entrepreneurship. At less least we have the choicf
[1:22:31]
we want to continue to participate and make use of
[1:22:33]
those two extra years, so I really do take offense to what
[1:22:37]
commissioner stuyvesant said, because we have -- we sit here
[1:22:42]
and we serve the people, okay? And we're here to serve the
[1:22:48]
community, to make the community better.
[1:22:53]
and I don't think this is anything close to trying to, you
[1:22:57]
know, benefit ourselves. This is just giving us a cushion
[1:23:02]
of two extra years to have health insurance, whether we
[1:23:05]
have that choice, we take it, whether I go back into corporate
[1:23:10]
or have insurance offered to me through another means, fine.
[1:23:14]
but I really take offense in what you said, because it really
[1:23:18]
paints a picture that we are trying to really grab a lot of
[1:23:22]
money and we're going to raise our salaries from $20,000 a year
[1:23:27]
to 120,000. >> I never said that.
[1:23:29]
>> I'm giving you an example, the way you're presenting
[1:23:35]
things. I really take offense with that.
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>> so that's your interpretation of my words and I never said
[1:23:42]
that specifically. My point was very simple.
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actually, we know, god willing if we don't die before, we know
[1:23:50]
when we're getting out of office.
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so I know that unless anything happens, I'm going to be out of
[1:23:57]
office in november 2028. Other people like you guys,
[1:24:03]
november 2026, so we can plan accordingly because we know the
[1:24:05]
moment that we are going to be stepping out of office.
[1:24:08]
and that's why I tried to connect this and give an example
[1:24:11]
that somebody who is forced to resign, then they are called
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today to the fourth floor and they go to their home that night
[1:24:20]
knowing that they no longer have a job.
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those people, which I personally know that had those meetings on
[1:24:31]
the fourth floor, more than one, two and three, those people
[1:24:35]
never had the opportunity to prepare to get another job, to
[1:24:41]
find another insurance. It happened to them overnight.
[1:24:44]
people with children, people with families.
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so my point is that we are adults clearly and we can plan
[1:24:53]
accordingly when we are going to be out of office and also what
[1:24:56]
is it that we're going to be doing to supplement our income
[1:25:00]
or to get insurance. All of the above.
[1:25:04]
so I was not -- >> it's called life planning.
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>> I was not trying to offend or insult anybody, I'm sorry if you
[1:25:11]
feel offended by my words. They were not directed to you or
[1:25:15]
anybody specifically. It's just that this doesn't make
[1:25:19]
sense. This is how government -- you
[1:25:24]
know when you're getting out of office so we can plan
[1:25:29]
accordingly. >> mayor, before, just a
[1:25:32]
logistical issue. So the resolution was voted
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down, but remember there were two parts.
[1:25:38]
>> mayor: exactly, I was just about to get to that.
[1:25:42]
>> we need clarification about the status quo and then the
[1:25:44]
additional two years. >> mayor: do we need a motion
[1:25:47]
to split this out? >> we can bring it back next
[1:25:49]
meeting with just the status quo.
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>> mayor: okay. All right.
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we don't want to do that right now?
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>> I mean, no, I'd prefer you have the language in front of
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you. >> mayor: perfect, okay.
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I want to close this conversation, wa, because I thie
[1:26:08]
can go on and on and I agree with you, commissioner lama and
[1:26:14]
vice mayor, and -- I was supportive of this item, but
[1:26:19]
given everything else, it started not making sense to me.
[1:26:24]
and I can appreciate commissioner stuyvesant, what
[1:26:27]
you're saying. I think had you said what you
[1:26:29]
just said now earlier, it would have landed a little bit
[1:26:34]
differently. Okay, next item, please.
[1:26:37]
>> next item is the -- >> so you're saying you would
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change your vote? >> mayor: no.
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>> mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission.
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this adopts the date county local mitigation strategy.
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>> mayor: do we have public speakers?
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>> no, ma'am. >> mayor: any comments from the
[1:27:14]
commission? I'll take a motion, please.
[1:27:17]
>> motion. >> second.
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>> mayor: all in favor? All right.
[1:27:21]
now we're on to -- that's it for add-ons, correct?
[1:27:25]
citizens forum, mauricio? Do we have public speakers?
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>> we do. >> vitally?
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>> mayor: just make sure we have the clock on, thank you.
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>> mi was coming here as a visitor and conducting business
[1:27:48]
here. One of the things is that you
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guys coming up on the budget 2026-27 and one of the things
[1:27:57]
going on with the home taxes and things like that, I was
[1:28:01]
wondering how our police department is going to be
[1:28:04]
supported. One of the things is I'm not
[1:28:07]
sure how much you guys get money out of traffic tickets.
[1:28:11]
you go to intercoastal british, I guarantee you can use that
[1:28:18]
budget, writing the tickets, to be able to support the police
[1:28:21]
department. One of the reasons why is
[1:28:23]
because on several occasions, I observed somebody traveling a
[1:28:27]
lot faster than they should be traveling.
[1:28:29]
another thing is I don't know where we're going to get
[1:28:32]
elected, but they're going to have a hard time to do a great
[1:28:34]
job as you guys are doing. And to me that's very important,
[1:28:39]
because coming up here at night or in the daytime, it doesn't
[1:28:42]
really matter, you notice things going on and that comes from the
[1:28:47]
city manager and administration. When you guys don't get to relax
[1:28:53]
or something happens, I want you to look at yourself and say you
[1:28:55]
know what, I did a great job, because as a visitor that comes
[1:29:01]
here very often, I think you do an amazing job, thank you.
[1:29:06]
>> mayor: thank you. >> mr. Maddows?
[1:29:20]
>> good evening, mayor and commissioners.
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victor matos, 18201, collins avenue.
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I'm the manager of the trump royale and I come to you with
[1:29:33]
three basic things for us. That the last commission meeting
[1:29:37]
that I attended, we were talking about the development right next
[1:29:41]
door to us, and unfortunately, they're not playing nice.
[1:29:47]
4:00 in the morning, trucks and construction.
[1:29:49]
taking over the streets. Noise affecting a lot of our
[1:29:53]
residents. Not to mention the debris and
[1:29:56]
dust that's coming up against the building creating more
[1:30:01]
expenses for our residents as they have to clean their windows
[1:30:04]
and not being able to enjoy their balconies.
[1:30:08]
we would love for the city manager or the code enforcement
[1:30:14]
to actually help us and if there's a possibility for us to
[1:30:19]
get notice when and if they're going to be doing work at 4:00
[1:30:23]
in the morning so that we can advise our residents that these
[1:30:26]
things are taking place. We also want to bring to your
[1:30:29]
attention, I don't know if you've seen it lately, but a lot
[1:30:31]
of our residents are complaining about beach erosion.
[1:30:34]
and that is something that is affecting us, because we've lost
[1:30:38]
a lot of beach in the last eight to nine months, I would say.
[1:30:41]
and we don't know if the commission has actually been
[1:30:47]
briefed on this or if there's a plan.
[1:30:49]
and last but not least, the most recent complaint we're getting
[1:30:52]
is about the seaweed. I don't know if there's also a
[1:30:55]
plan for that as well. So I do appreciate your time and
[1:30:59]
have a great evening. >> mayor: thank you.
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your comments have been noted by the manager and he'll be in
[1:31:04]
touch with you, thank you. >> no other speakers, ma'am.
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>> mayor: all right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much.
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meeting adjourned.