[1:56] Let's call to order the city

[1:57] commission meeting agenda for

[2:00] tuesday august 10th, 2021.

[2:02] ms. Bravo call the roll.

[2:05] >> mayor ryan.

[2:07] >> present.

[2:10] >> deputy mayor kerch.

[2:13] >> here.

[2:14] >> assistant deputy mayor g.

[2:16] >> here.

[2:17] >> commissioner scuotto.

[2:22] >> present.

[2:25] (calling roll)

[2:29] >> good afternoon again.

[2:31] the city commission meeting has

[2:32] been noticed in person meeting

[2:34] and public meeting.

[2:54] sunrise.fl.gov.

[3:19] interested persons were invited

[3:21] to call in for additional

[3:24] information.

[3:25] the city has provided various

[3:26] options for members of the

[3:28] public to address the

[3:29] commission.

[3:30] prior to the start of the

[3:31] meeting we asked if anyone

[3:33] wished to speak on any matter

[3:35] before us.

[3:37] we have maintained the list and

[3:38] will call upon any speakers at

[3:41] the appropriate time.

[3:42] I will open it up for public

[3:44] comment at the appropriate time

[3:46] and ask if anyone attending by

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[3:49] speak.

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[4:37] I ask the upped standing of

[4:39] everyone given the challenging

[4:41] circumstance.

[4:42] we had get through this process

[4:43] with understanding, patients and

[4:45] civility.

[4:46] thank you.

[4:47] >> move onto item three.

[4:49] moment of silence and pledge of

[4:51] allegiance.

[4:52] commissioner scuotto to keep in

[4:57] our prayers.

[4:58] >> yes retired officer jack s.

[5:01] who has passed away, keep his

[5:03] family in our prayers.

[5:05] >> anyone else.

[5:06] >> okay.

[5:07] join me for a moment of silence

[5:09] and for the pledge of

[5:13] allegiance.

[5:21] >> I pledge allegiance to the

[5:23] flag of the united states of

[5:24] america.

[5:25] to the republic for which it

[5:28] stands, one nation under god,

[5:30] indivisible I believe with

[5:32] liberty and justice for all.

[5:43] >> perfect timing.

[5:44] >> we started the whole meeting

[5:46] over so you could be here.

[5:50] >> come on up, commissioner

[5:52] douglas.

[5:53] we're on the consent agenda

[5:56] items 4a through t.

[5:59] is there a motion.

[6:01] >> move it.

[6:02] >> second.

[6:03] >> moved which commissioner

[6:04] douglas.

[6:05] second by commissioner scuotto.

[6:08] any pulls from colleagues?

[6:10] any pulls from staff.

[6:12] >> no deputy mayor, no pulls.

[6:14] >> let's call the question again

[6:16] on items 4a through 4t.

[6:19] >> commissioner scuotto.

[6:25] >> yes.

[6:26] >> commissioner douglas.

[6:28] >> yes.

[6:29] >> assistant deputy mayor.

[6:32] >> yes,.

[6:33] >> deputy may mayor.

[6:34] >> yes.

[6:35] >> mayor ryan.

[6:36] >> yes.

[6:37] >> items passed 5-0.

[6:39] >> alright.

[6:40] 5a.

[6:41] special items.

[6:49] proclamation september 9th

[6:52] 2021 as mental health awareness

[6:55] day in the city of sunrise.

[6:57] mayor michael j. Ryan.

[6:58] >> deputy mayor, if I can one

[7:03] area to adhere he may want to

[7:07] say a few words before reading

[7:10] the proclamation.

[7:12] yes we have beth tash on-line.

[7:15] >> I'm taking over for beth

[7:18] tashe.

[7:20] I'm the spokeartment aouy mayor.

[7:22] >> state your name and we will

[7:25] turn the proceedings over for

[7:29] your comments.

[7:42] >> -- this year we're trying to

[7:46] double the amount in the city of

[7:48] sunrise.

[7:49] they have been onboard since day

[7:51] one.

[7:52] I embrace that, this great

[7:55] initiative that comes from the,

[7:58] the roots of broward county.

[8:02] we have hospitals.

[8:03] we have the va.

[8:05] we have the county.

[8:07] we have the cities supporting

[8:09] us.

[8:10] this year is september 9th,

[8:12] 2021.

[8:14] 100% virtual.

[8:15] we just made that decision last

[8:17] week.

[8:18] we are going to operate both

[8:20] in-person and virtual.

[8:22] because of the situation we are

[8:24] facing we want to be safe.

[8:26] so, it's free.

[8:27] this year, big change from last

[8:29] year.

[8:30] our sponsors came onboard,

[8:33] memorial health and the --

[8:37] foundation, ukg and thanks to

[8:41] them providing this sreut you'll

[8:44] event from 8:30 to 4:00.

[8:47] completely free to broward

[8:50] county residents and of course

[8:51] beyond this.

[8:52] is unprecedented.

[8:53] we're so proud to do that.

[8:57] I want to thank mayor ryan for

[8:59] supporting us and helping us

[9:00] with the proclamations.

[9:02] thank you so much.

[9:03] >> mayor ryan, any comments?

[9:07] >> thank you, of course this has

[9:10] been a collective effort by the

[9:12] city commission who has been

[9:13] behind this from the beginning

[9:15] along with city staff.

[9:17] gratitude to my colleagues

[9:20] working tirelessly with you over

[9:24] many years with you and your

[9:25] time.

[9:26] I appreciate your comments.

[9:27] I thank my colleagues for their

[9:29] support.

[9:33] >> mr. Douglas.

[9:34] >> yes.

[9:35] >> I'm recognized.

[9:37] thank you, deputy mayor.

[9:39] you know obviously mental health

[9:41] awareness is a significant issue

[9:45] in our community and broader

[9:48] united states.

[9:50] so it is important that as a

[9:52] city we have proclamations not

[9:57] just for show but to increase

[9:59] awareness.

[10:00] throughout what I feel is the

[10:05] past ten years.

[10:07] I think there has been an

[10:08] increase in the manifestation of

[10:10] mental health issues.

[10:11] my personal view is -- I'm not a

[10:18] clinician.

[10:21] think our brains are so

[10:22] overwhelmed by so many things.

[10:24] some is congenital, stress

[10:32] related, ptsd, some maybe

[10:36] temporary.y we're seeing a bit

[10:39] after the 2018 shooting it

[10:42] became more highlighted about

[10:43] the impact that untreated and

[10:47] unrecognized mental health

[10:49] challenges have on our

[10:51] community.

[10:52] it's there for a long time.

[10:53] I'm grateful now our communities

[10:56] trying to lift the veil off of,

[11:00] you know, mental health

[11:01] challenges as I have said in the

[11:03] past and commented on the

[11:04] issues.

[11:06] you know, if you have a physical

[11:08] alement, a broken arm or leg.

[11:11] something that manifests itself

[11:13] physically and is visible, your

[11:16] neighbors and your friends, who

[11:17] ever you interact with,

[11:19] generally try to help you.

[11:21] is your arm broken.

[11:23] can I help you open the door, do

[11:26] this, do that.

[11:27] people are againly sympathetic.

[11:29] we for so long have hidden

[11:31] behind mental health challenges

[11:33] because of the stigma.

[11:35] often times those who want to

[11:37] help are not given an

[11:38] opportunity to help.

[11:39] I understand also if one has a

[11:42] condition that subjects them to

[11:44] stigma they may not want to

[11:46] disclose this.

[11:47] part of the raising of the

[11:48] awareness is to lift the stigma

[11:52] associated with it.

[11:56] doing proclamations like these

[11:59] and sending it out to the

[12:00] community is something we ought

[12:01] to do.

[12:02] I commend it.

[12:03] thank you, mayor ryan.

[12:04] >> thank you.

[12:06] thank you, very much.

[12:09] >> commissioner scuotto?

[12:13] >> no, mayor.

[12:14] >> deputy mayor.

[12:16] >> yes.

[12:17] as a city of commission I'm glad

[12:18] we're all in sync with

[12:20] supporting this proclamation.

[12:22] I wanted to ask chief rosa to

[12:25] give me insight behind the

[12:27] scenes with the police

[12:28] department how they're handling

[12:29] the same crisis as well.

[12:31] >> chief rosa.

[12:37] >> thank you, commissioner.

[12:40] so, as far as mental health goes

[12:43] within the police department

[12:44] we're handling it from two

[12:46] aspects.

[12:47] how we interact with the public

[12:49] on a mental health crisis and

[12:51] how we handle ourselves if there

[12:53] is a issue with a police officer

[12:55] and a member.

[12:58] from an over all perspective

[13:00] crisis intervention train south

[13:03] backbone of everything we do in

[13:04] the police department.

[13:06] my goal is to get the entire

[13:08] department trained with formal

[13:10] crisis training.

[13:12] we're well on our way there.

[13:13] this is an on going effort by

[13:15] multiple police departments.

[13:17] we're successful in getting our

[13:19] people through the classes.

[13:21] then from there we are doing

[13:22] everything from inhouse

[13:24] training.

[13:25] what I mean by inhouse training

[13:26] is we discuss in small groups

[13:30] and scenarios on how to handle

[13:33] certain situations.

[13:34] what I mean by that is we have

[13:36] had a shift in how we handle

[13:39] calls.

[13:40] someone is in crisis, life

[13:42] threatening and something we may

[13:43] look at is endangering life one

[13:46] way or another to themselves or

[13:48] someone else we have shifted

[13:51] from years ago.

[13:52] police officers are problem

[13:54] selves.

[13:55] we want to get it done with and

[13:56] move onto the next thing.

[13:57] we have gonna way from that.

[13:59] now we're handling those where

[14:01] we're not forcing a intersection

[14:04] with anyone in a mental health

[14:06] crisis or having a mental health

[14:08] episode.

[14:09] I think we have realized.

[14:11] a lot is due to the training.

[14:13] we have realized we have time.

[14:16] we can handle it.

[14:18] we're doing things.

[14:19] we're talk ing about it.

[14:20] we're dehe is ka hating.

[14:22] we're approaching this not from

[14:25] an aggressive or imposing

[14:27] manner.

[14:28] a police officer shows up and

[14:31] you have a crisis, you're

[14:33] instantly creating a situation.

[14:35] in some cases it may appear to

[14:37] be aggressive to the person.

[14:40] we're intentionally not doing

[14:42] that.

[14:43] we're doing all we can to

[14:45] contain the situation.

[14:46] doing it in a manner that is con

[14:48] dousive to the situation.

[14:50] they we're taking to the people.

[14:52] I will give you ap example we

[14:54] had a person in a crisis with a

[14:57] firearm.

[14:58] after several hours it was

[14:59] resolved peacefully and we got

[15:01] the person the help they needed.

[15:03] has ben ral terms and this is

[15:05] more to it.

[15:06] what we're doing as an agency

[15:08] and respond to the crisises.

[15:10] from a I sternal perspective.

[15:12] this has been going on a little

[15:14] bit.

[15:15] a little slower of a evolution

[15:16] in policing and this work.

[15:19] there has been a reluck stands,

[15:22] historically, to act there is an

[15:25] issue.

[15:26] I think as we bring new officers

[15:28] on and new ideas on the culture

[15:30] is changing.

[15:31] so we have a program we're

[15:36] working on.

[15:37] we're starting out looking,

[15:39] we're doing a peer monitoring

[15:42] type thing.

[15:43] including supervisors watching

[15:46] for signs of other officers and

[15:47] employees in the police

[15:49] department under stress and

[15:51] getting people help the need.

[15:54] to take that a step further

[15:55] we're looking at creating a

[15:58] program where we're in the

[15:59] process now of identifying

[16:01] police officers that other other

[16:04] officers would be comfortable

[16:06] talking to and creating a peer

[16:08] support program.

[16:09] to do that we, we plan on

[16:12] identifying the officers and

[16:14] partnering with city mental

[16:18] health officials to structure

[16:20] this program.

[16:22] the officers will do something

[16:24] similar to what the fire

[16:26] department has with the critical

[16:29] incident debriefings and stuff

[16:31] like that.

[16:32] >> thank you.

[16:33] >> thank you.

[16:34] >> chief, if I may.

[16:35] >> commissioner scuotto.

[16:38] >> touching on what you mentiond

[16:39] with that.

[16:40] I think it's a great idea you

[16:42] have a -- I'm sure it's not just

[16:45] sunrise but cities across the

[16:47] country.

[16:49] you mention, that's with

[16:54] anybody, when someone feels

[16:56] comfortable talking to someone

[16:58] else that's very important.

[17:00] a lot of times people feel they

[17:02] don't have someone to talk

[17:03] about.

[17:04] when you talk about something

[17:05] where the police officers are

[17:06] confronted by different things

[17:07] going on scene, whether it's

[17:09] something that has been affected

[17:13] them on multiple scenes over the

[17:16] years plus family issues they

[17:18] could have.

[17:19] some could be veterans or

[17:21] whatever they take to the job.

[17:25] I spoke to you about this

[17:27] probably a year or so ago.

[17:29] that was about having mental

[17:32] health people within the

[17:33] department.

[17:35] I'm not looking to add people

[17:38] but I'm saying when you just

[17:40] brought up that if an officer

[17:42] feels comfortable talking to a

[17:45] peer I don't want it to be that

[17:47] now these police officers are

[17:48] handling problems from other

[17:50] officers.

[17:51] which is good to get them

[17:53] through what they need to.

[17:54] but you don't want other

[17:58] employees now handling problems

[18:00] that they may even.

[18:03] have now they're taking on more.

[18:04] I mentioned this to you before

[18:17] personal.

[18:18] if we could talk about this

[18:20] further, who and what in a

[18:22] department we can put someone or

[18:23] multiple people.

[18:25] same when covid hit we started

[18:27] the compassionate hotline where

[18:29] people called in, you know, and

[18:32] we were retrieving this

[18:33] information.

[18:36] I think it would be great for

[18:38] you guys to start this and have

[18:40] your peers retrieving

[18:42] information.

[18:43] again I don't want police

[18:44] officers or sergeants,

[18:45] lieutenants, handling the burden

[18:48] of their own employees that they

[18:50] need to -- it's good to know if

[18:55] someone -- we have had our fare

[19:02] share of people taking th*r own

[19:03] lives.

[19:04] I don't want that burden on our

[19:16] employees.

[19:17] I think this needs to be a major

[19:18] discussion as what to do as a

[19:21] city to help our employees.

[19:25] we have well over a thousand

[19:27] employees.

[19:28] at any given time we can have

[19:30] someone affected by something.

[19:32] I think it's a good start with

[19:33] the peer, but I don't want it to

[19:40] be multiple people being

[19:43] overwhelmed with issues from

[19:45] other people.

[19:46] you know, they went to school

[19:48] for it, they're a police officer

[19:50] that's a psychologist or

[19:52] whatever.

[19:53] I gist couldn't want it to

[19:55] become you know something like

[19:57] that.

[19:59] >> there are, what I didn't

[20:01] mention is part of this over all

[20:03] program, this is something the

[20:04] sunrise police department does

[20:07] haven't dedicated to us, it's a

[20:09] research thing.

[20:10] other agents do.

[20:12] a police chaplin type situation.

[20:14] we don't have one dedicated to

[20:16] us.

[20:17] we have the county and use other

[20:19] agencies when we need that.

[20:20] that is a part of the program

[20:22] we're looking to evaluate.

[20:27] >> thank you.

[20:28] >> thank you, obviously.

[20:30] he brought something up.

[20:32] in addition I want to comment on

[20:34] what you said.

[20:35] in addition I had my own

[20:36] thoughts this.

[20:37] is hippa.

[20:42] you know medical stuff.

[20:44] and here is something I think

[20:47] this person is a danger or I

[20:49] think this is actionable or

[20:51] something to report.

[20:52] then you have the challenge of

[20:53] okay the guy trusts me to talk

[20:55] to me.

[20:56] he shared this with me, now what

[20:58] is my responsibility to break

[21:02] confidence.

[21:03] so, I think those who are in a,

[21:07] for medical position, they would

[21:10] have their various professional

[21:14] responsibility outlined as to

[21:17] when they break these kinds of

[21:23] confidential rules.

[21:28] I can see the challenge of me

[21:29] telling someone something that

[21:31] has affected me.

[21:33] they don't have a ethical or

[21:35] other obligation to keep the

[21:36] confidence.

[21:37] what if they don't.

[21:41] then skw-pbtly a investigation

[21:43] occurs and they hear he share

[21:46] the information with the

[21:47] colleague.

[21:48] I can see the challenge from

[21:55] that perspective.

[21:56] there is also a challenge,

[21:58] they're yielding kpwupz.

[22:00] I don't think the guy who has a

[22:02] temporary stress related issue

[22:05] relate today divorce or some

[22:08] other trauma wants to share it

[22:10] and then get, we talked about

[22:13] stigma jut now.

[22:16] that we should take his gun away

[22:19] or send him -- even if paid

[22:22] leave, hippa or whatever it is

[22:25] that would be cons kw-pbs of

[22:28] having disclosed this.

[22:29] so, I can see the aoufrbg

[22:31] challenge you would face in a

[22:34] department having people come

[22:35] out and say I am going through

[22:37] this.

[22:39] even with the challenges I think

[22:42] it's important to the extent

[22:45] that we do the police are going

[22:48] through fire fighters showing up

[22:50] on the scene with all kinds of

[22:52] trauma. People in various

[22:55] conditions resulting from

[22:57] accidents, bullet wounds or what

[22:59] not.

[23:00] I can't imagine they're not

[23:03] affected even temporarily

[23:05] showing up to see these things.

[23:07] I think there is a delicate

[23:09] balance to be struck.

[23:10] between having someone disclose

[23:13] and at the same time refusing to

[23:16] address it.

[23:17] I commend any efforts that you

[23:19] can take to address this.

[23:23] thank my colleague for bringing

[23:26] it forward to address it.

[23:28] we're talking about mental

[23:30] health awareness in sunrise.

[23:31] we have to start at home.

[23:33] thank you, sir.

[23:34] >> thank you, sir.

[23:35] >> thank you, chief.

[23:36] any comments, chair.

[23:39] >> yes to the public.

[23:44] what you heard is the unanimous

[23:46] view of raising awareness.

[23:48] I'm so proud to serve along with

[23:50] my colleagues.

[23:51] the passionate and eloquent

[23:53] words of each of them.

[23:55] showing that sun vies is tkwhaog

[23:57] they can do to lift the vail.

[24:02] chief, thank you for your

[24:05] commitment to the training.

[24:06] it's very important to continue

[24:08] to invest heavily in that. To

[24:11] the commissioners, your points

[24:12] are so well taken regarding the

[24:14] first responders.

[24:16] there are programs out there

[24:17] that have become more robust

[24:20] with virtual therapy and virtual

[24:22] counseling.

[24:24] I know that the chief and chief

[24:28] rosa in the post ptsd setting.

[24:33] I hope going forward we can

[24:36] offer these to all employees as

[24:37] a model of support, compassion

[24:40] and empath.y as commissioner

[24:42] douglas pointed out.

[24:44] commissioner scuotto pointed

[24:47] out.

[24:48] being a tentative to hippa and

[24:52] privacy.

[24:53] hopefully this is another step

[24:55] forward for sunrise.

[24:56] I'm proud of my colleagues,

[24:59] thank you.

[25:00] >> anyone else?

[25:01] >> thank you for being here.

[25:03] for those who may want to attend

[25:06] the virtual event on 9-9-21 from

[25:12] 8:30 to 4:00 is this a website?

[25:14] what kind of information do we

[25:16] need to attend that.

[25:17] >> it's --

[25:21] [inaudible]

[25:24] broward.mentalhealthsummit.0rg.

[25:31] it's easy go there and hit the

[25:34] link to take advantage of the

[25:36] four sessions on

[25:38] september 9th.

[25:39] >> thank you.

[25:40] thank you for accepting the

[25:41] proclamation.

[25:42] I will read that now.

[25:43] broward mental health summit day

[25:46] where as mental illness affects

[25:48] thoughts, feelings, behaviors

[25:50] and inter action with others and

[25:53] stigma of mental I amness.

[25:56] must be address sod nobody feels

[25:59] shame in seeking health with

[26:01] treatment.

[26:02] where as recent tragedies

[26:04] require that our communities

[26:06] engage in meaningful education

[26:08] and discussion to identify the

[26:10] early signs of mental illness in

[26:12] order to take charge of the

[26:14] situation and reverse it before

[26:15] it gets worst.

[26:17] and where as in addition to the

[26:21] recent tragedies according to

[26:23] the april 2020 data brief of the

[26:26] cdcs national center for

[26:28] health statistic understand in

[26:30] 2018 there were 48,344 recorded

[26:35] suicides in the united states.

[26:37] the annual u.s. Suicide rate

[26:41] increased 35% between 1999 and

[26:45] 2018.

[26:47] where as according to the

[26:48] foundation for suicide

[26:50] prevention on average there are

[26:54] 123 suicides per day in the

[26:56] united states.

[26:57] and where as in response to the

[27:00] need of identifying and treating

[27:02] mental illness a grass root

[27:05] effort was upped take not by the

[27:07] principal mental health

[27:09] providers in broward county

[27:12] including county, federal

[27:13] government, private sector and

[27:15] non profit organizations to join

[27:17] forces in a historic effort to

[27:21] increase awareness by holding a

[27:24] virtual summit for the public

[27:28] for free.

[27:30] where as the fourth annual

[27:32] prouard mental health summit

[27:34] titled bouncing back together.

[27:37] wellness, empowerment, resilient

[27:41] and connection is presented by

[27:43] memorial healthcare system, ukg

[27:48] and the sheriff tpoupgs of

[27:49] broward county bringing together

[27:51] the leading hath providers in

[27:53] south florida.

[27:55] from county, federal, private,

[27:58] non profit and academia to

[28:00] discuss the current issues

[28:02] affecting all populations.

[28:05] where as erin wanting to learn

[28:07] about the mental health issues

[28:09] facing our communities.

[28:10] whether you're a healthcare

[28:12] provider, first responder,

[28:14] community leader, business

[28:15] leader, elected official or a

[28:18] concerned resident you will walk

[28:20] away from the historic broward

[28:24] mental health summit with

[28:26] concrete data, information tools

[28:30] for those tpaebgted by mental

[28:32] health issues.

[28:33] and where as we hope the general

[28:36] public understands it's affects

[28:38] on the residents and businesses

[28:41] in the city of sunrise.

[28:42] the city of sunrise remains

[28:46] aware of combating stigma.

[28:52] there I on be half of michael j.

[28:54] ryan the mayor of the city of

[28:57] sunrise, florida, with the city

[28:59] commission proclaim

[29:01] september 9th, 2021 as broward

[29:04] mental health summit day in the

[29:06] city of sunrise.

[29:07] thank you, mr. Ayres for being

[29:15] here.

[29:16] we will make sure the

[29:17] proclamation is isn't to you.

[29:18] >> thank you.

[29:22] >> let's move onto city items

[29:26] 6a.

[29:27] appointment.

[29:29] resolution of the city of

[29:32] sunrise, florida, a pointing a

[29:34] member to the unsafe structures

[29:36] board, and providing an

[29:39] effective date.

[29:40] city manager mark l., fell ish

[29:44] ya bravo, city.

[29:47] clerk.

[29:48] >> moved.

[29:49] >> seconded.

[29:50] >> commissioner scuotto and

[29:53] commissioner douglas.

[29:54] >> we have a vacant see.

[29:56] >> yes, for property manager on

[29:57] the unsafe structure board for

[30:00] quite some time.

[30:01] we were fortunate enough to get

[30:03] an application from martha

[30:09] welling ton.

[30:10] >> a motion.

[30:12] >> a second.

[30:13] >> a motion and a second.

[30:15] any further discussion?

[30:26] >> alright.

[30:27] call the vote.

[30:28] department utility mayor.

[30:29] >> yes.

[30:30] >> commissioner s.

[30:34] >> yes,.

[30:35] >> commissioner d.

[30:36] >> yes,.

[30:37] >> assistant deputy mayor.

[30:38] >> yes,.

[30:39] >> mayor ryan.

[30:40] >> yes.

[30:41] >> any motion to move up the

[30:43] public hearings.

[30:44] >> go ahead move it.

[30:45] >> motion by commissioner

[30:49] scuotto.

[30:51] second I by assistant deputy

[30:53] mayor.

[30:54] 12a.

[30:57] amendment.

[30:58] commission discussion and/or

[31:00] action refirst reading of an

[31:03] ordinance of the city of

[31:05] sunrise, florida, extending

[31:12] section 2 of ordinance number

[31:16] 654 as amended through

[31:19] november 16th, 2021 and

[31:21] functioning as the ninth

[31:22] extension and sunrise

[31:25] emergency --

[31:26] >> move it.

[31:27] >> motion by commissioner

[31:29] scuotto.

[31:31] >> second.

[31:32] >> second by assistant deputy

[31:35] mayor.

[31:36] discussion among colleagues.

[31:38] >> I have a comment, question.

[31:39] >> floor is yours, mr. Douglas.

[31:42] >> mr. Lebowski, in the past

[31:47] when we have made amendments to

[31:51] this ordinance it was for --

[31:55] increments, is that correct?

[31:58] >> roughly 60 day increments.

[32:05] >> 60 days ?

[32:06] >> roughly.

[32:07] >> right now we're at although

[32:09] september, october.

[32:11] we are going into november.

[32:12] is there a particular reason

[32:14] we're --

[32:16] >> second reading of this

[32:18] wouldn't occur until the second

[32:20] meeting in september the 13th

[32:21] which would be right around 60

[32:23] days.

[32:24] >> the 14th.

[32:25] >> the previous amendment is in

[32:27] effect?

[32:28] >> yes, correct.

[32:30] >> okay.

[32:31] that's all.

[32:36] >> any other comments on this

[32:40] one?

[32:42] >> no.

[32:43] >> mayor ryan.

[32:44] >> as a reminder we need to open

[32:48] up for a public hearing.

[32:49] >> thank you.

[32:50] >> I will open up the public

[32:53] hearing.

[32:54] anyone wishing to speak please

[32:56] step forward.

[32:57] >> no one in the public stepping

[33:00] forward.

[33:01] anyone on the phone wishing to

[33:02] make any comments please hit the

[33:05] 5 star feature.

[33:08] >> I have no one from the public

[33:10] asking to speak.

[33:11] >> alright.

[33:12] I will close public hearing.

[33:16] >> any comments, rare ryan, on

[33:18] this one?

[33:19] >> no, sir.

[33:20] thank you.

[33:21] >> call the question.

[33:22] >> assistant department utility

[33:23] mayor.

[33:24] >> yes.

[33:25] >> deputy mayor.

[33:26] >> yes.

[33:27] >> commissioner scuotto.

[33:29] >> yes.

[33:30] >> commissioner douglas.

[33:31] >> yes.

[33:32] >> mayor ryan.

[33:33] >> yes.

[33:34] >> the item passes 5-0 I skipped

[33:38] over open discussion.

[33:39] I would like to go back.

[33:40] I know a couple are on the phone

[33:43] scienced up for that. Is it

[33:44] okay.

[33:45] >> motion to open up 7.

[33:47] >> second.

[33:48] >> motion to open up 7,

[33:50] seconded.

[33:51] all in favor say I.

[33:52] >> I.

[33:53] >> open discussion we have first

[33:54] one on the sheet is paula c.

[33:59] come on up.

[34:07] >> go ahead and state your name,

[34:09] address please.

[34:10] >> my name is paula c.

[34:12] I live on northwest 101st

[34:15] avenue.

[34:16] I feel like jack nicholson

[34:18] saying I'm back.

[34:19] I won't.

[34:20] >> if you don't mind speaking

[34:22] directly into the microphone.

[34:24] we don't hear so well up here.

[34:28] >> you missed the punchline.

[34:31] I appreciate mental health

[34:33] awareness day.

[34:35] I am a teacher.

[34:36] I'm a teacher of 15 years I

[34:38] taught emotionally behaved

[34:41] disturbed kids.

[34:43] I know the need and I teach ese

[34:47] students in general.

[34:48] I appreciate that.

[34:49] I am here simply.

[34:52] I heard unsafe structures.

[34:54] I am here because we do have a

[34:57] continuing issue with that wall.

[34:59] I'm sorry with our fences on nob

[35:02] hill.

[35:03] again a few weeks ago a car went

[35:06] through.

[35:07] those people were lucky because

[35:09] they have -- in the back yard.

[35:13] it didn't go into their pool.

[35:15] my next door neighbor johnson

[35:19] salis, they have children.

[35:22] the car went through their back

[35:25] yard last year.

[35:26] last year?

[35:28] last year sometime, there is so

[35:31] much too, my goodness so.

[35:33] to address with this.

[35:35] I appreciate definitely

[35:37] appreciate assistant deputy for

[35:39] your dedication to helping us

[35:41] solve this issue.

[35:43] >> yes.

[35:44] >> sean from the city did a

[35:45] wonderful job explaining to me

[35:47] the costs that would be incurred

[35:50] through trying to put a wall up.

[35:54] but as I mentioned I am an ese

[35:57] teacher.

[35:58] I teach 72 children a day how to

[36:01] read.

[36:02] everyone gets taught a different

[36:03] way.

[36:04] I know there are other solutions

[36:05] to this.

[36:06] I know something can get done.

[36:07] I am hoping that we can possibly

[36:10] talk about a guard rail.

[36:12] then again I don't want to be

[36:13] the only one on the street that

[36:14] says let's put a guard rail.

[36:18] can we consider also large

[36:20] trees.

[36:21] beautiful landscape.

[36:23] like we all know when we drive

[36:26] down nob hill towards

[36:27] plantation, the landscaping is

[36:30] gorgeous.

[36:31] that area we live in near josh

[36:34] lee is just, it lacks safety,

[36:36] most of all.

[36:39] it could be addressed with

[36:41] beauty, large trees, beautiful

[36:44] maybe fox tail around it.

[36:46] just something to disguise those

[36:48] guard rails that I would like to

[36:52] see get put up to protect us

[36:56] from any tragedy.

[37:00] god forbid a car goes through

[37:02] the fence and our neighbors are

[37:03] entertaining.

[37:04] we have a much bigger issue.

[37:07] >> I want to recap.

[37:08] if that's okay.

[37:10] july 31st last year this was

[37:12] brought to the commission.

[37:14] it was requested to get

[37:15] information.

[37:16] back ground on putting a wall.

[37:19] mark lubelski, I don't know if

[37:25] you want to address that.

[37:27] thank you for being here and

[37:29] advocating.

[37:30] >> thank you.

[37:31] I have been here, I have lived

[37:32] on that street over 25 years.

[37:34] I have seen my kids get garbage

[37:41] thrown over the fence and get

[37:43] hit in the head with a coke can.

[37:45] I'm sure you don't want us to

[37:47] live through this.

[37:48] >> no, there has been on going

[37:50] discussion.

[37:51] I believe there are utility

[37:52] issues related to that issue.

[37:53] I think mr. Lubelski can address

[37:57] concerns and a proposal going

[38:00] forward for the city commission.

[38:02] >> thank you, department utility

[38:04] mayor.

[38:05] over the past 15 years city

[38:06] staff has periodically evaluated

[38:09] a wall at this location.

[38:12] previously determined

[38:15] utilities -- high voltage lines,

[38:24] comcast and school structures

[38:27] have to be relocated this.

[38:29] is a minimum of $1.125 million.

[38:32] the over all cost of the project

[38:34] would exceed over $2 million for

[38:36] 860 feet of linear feet of wall.

[38:39] in addition the high voltage

[38:42] lines need to be relocated to

[38:44] the east side of nob hill road

[38:46] and prohibit a wall installation

[38:49] on the east side of nob hill.

[38:52] based upon the high costs

[38:55] associated I recommend the

[38:57] installation of a guard rail

[39:00] with landscaping as referenced

[39:03] by the resident in the swale

[39:06] along the roadway.

[39:08] we have had conversations with

[39:10] the resident and reached out to

[39:11] the -- association.

[39:15] based on those discussions we

[39:17] have support for the insurance

[39:20] installation and landscaping on

[39:22] that corridor.

[39:23] that's what staff is

[39:24] recommending at this point.

[39:26] >> mr. Douglas.

[39:28] >> with respect to the comment

[39:29] by the resident regarding the

[39:31] nature of the landscape.

[39:33] large trees, beautiful trees.

[39:35] would the utility issues that

[39:36] currently exist which are cost

[39:38] prohibited to move also impact

[39:44] our ability to put large trees

[39:48] in the space?

[39:49] >> that's a good question.

[39:50] so the utility issues are

[39:51] primarily behind the sidewalk in

[39:54] the residents back yard.

[39:57] the swale is relatively clear.

[39:59] however, there are guidelines

[40:02] and requirements we have to

[40:04] satisfy for landscaping.

[40:06] I'm confident we will fit

[40:08] landscaping in there to buffer

[40:10] the guard rail and provide

[40:13] beautification.

[40:14] to the extent.

[40:17] size of the trees --

[40:22] >> there is a qualitative

[40:24] difference between one landscape

[40:26] and the other.

[40:27] I want, I don't want an

[40:29] expectation to be created in

[40:32] terms of the nature of the

[40:36] landscape.

[40:38] I know for bet are or worst we

[40:40] fit trees no space that's are

[40:45] not appropriate.

[40:46] a beautiful oak and then it's a

[40:49] 30-year-old oak and it's not

[40:51] appropriate for the location.

[40:53] so you know landscaping can be a

[40:55] shrub.

[40:56] it can be oak.

[40:58] I mean, I think the expectation

[41:01] would be a full tree like what

[41:08] is neighboring.

[41:09] maybe they had adequate set

[41:12] backs at the time they were

[41:13] planted and utilities were, you

[41:15] know -- I want to make sure when

[41:17] we say landscaping are we

[41:19] talking about you know alexander

[41:24] palms or oaks or --

[41:26] >> that's a good question.

[41:27] so when staff looked at this.

[41:33] we didn't get g. Into in depth

[41:37] design we talked about shrubs

[41:39] and palm trao*es as mentioned

[41:41] whether they're fox tails or

[41:43] mont tkpwopl raoez or something

[41:45] to that affect.

[41:46] we need to look at it's really

[41:48] the setback from the roadway of

[41:50] how close you can put trees.

[41:53] that would be our vision to do

[41:54] pockets of palm trees with a,

[41:58] with shrubs along that.

[42:00] >> the alexander doesn't stop

[42:02] much of a car.

[42:04] I presume large fox tales.

[42:06] >> knot purpose --

[42:08] >> it's suppose to be

[42:09] supplemental and the trees would

[42:11] provide supplemental safety if

[42:13] someone was to get, you know,

[42:16] run off the road.

[42:17] >> the primary purpose of the

[42:19] landscaping is to add

[42:22] beautification, the guard rail

[42:25] provides the safety as

[42:26] referenced there.

[42:30] >> I.

[42:31] >> deputy mayor, have a caller

[42:33] with their hand raised.

[42:34] >> we will get to them when

[42:36] commissioner scuotto finishes.

[42:40] >> so mr -- comes to us for

[42:44] coaching.

[42:45] I went to high school with him

[42:46] like 35 years ago.

[42:48] this issue of, I'm saying your

[42:51] neighborhood has been coming up

[42:55] here more than the 15 years that

[42:57] mark said.

[42:58] the answer always was the

[43:00] utility and stuff.

[43:01] I think staff has come up with

[43:04] something that is very

[43:06] substantial.

[43:07] we have done this in other

[43:10] communities.

[43:11] we did this, the guard rail

[43:13] around a park.

[43:16] that was inside the

[43:17] neighborhood.

[43:18] I think the guard rail we did it

[43:19] for sac the community at sac

[43:23] field.

[43:24] we did the wood barricade.

[43:27] this one I don't know if we

[43:29] could do wood or metal.

[43:32] we want something nice.

[43:34] regarding plantation.

[43:35] plantation doesn't have anything

[43:36] on the swale.

[43:38] this is something the city of

[43:41] sunrise would do to protect on

[43:43] the swale side.

[43:44] we can't go on the opposite side

[43:47] of the sidewalk.

[43:48] what commissioner douglas said

[43:50] about the rooting and all of

[43:52] that. Leave that to staff to --

[43:55] I think the guard rail is the

[43:57] safety I just called mark the

[43:58] other day, before the weekend, I

[44:01] said you're getting a call from

[44:03] them again.

[44:04] someone hit the little fence and

[44:06] the comcast thing.

[44:09] I said it's not all the way

[44:11] through.

[44:12] they hit it again.

[44:13] so staff, you guys know what it

[44:16] is that you can put on that, it

[44:19] is a lie trafficked road.

[44:21] we understand that.

[44:22] it's also in front of a school.

[44:24] we're limited on the swale part.

[44:27] where you get close to the

[44:29] boulevard.

[44:30] there is the enough.

[44:31] there is no irrigation to put in

[44:33] there.

[44:34] when you come to joshly there

[44:38] isn't much.

[44:39] on the swale side it's not

[44:41] something we normally do.

[44:43] besides sac and what we did for

[44:46] wellby we are now encroaching on

[44:49] the swale side to protect

[44:51] something.

[44:52] they will come up with something

[44:53] nice.

[44:54] the oaks and stuff like, that I

[44:56] think that will be more of a

[44:59] problem going into the

[45:00] electrical and stuff.

[45:01] some of these big palms, just

[45:04] for you know, landscape purpose.

[45:07] then again.

[45:09] we don't want to do hedges in

[45:12] front of the whole guard rail.

[45:13] then we constantly replace.

[45:16] then, right.

[45:17] I'm sure staff will get to you.

[45:21] show you renderings.

[45:24] the safety first is the guard

[45:25] rail.

[45:26] I don't care if it's palm trees.

[45:28] if we can't the guard rail you

[45:30] need that first.

[45:32] if we get trees in there that's

[45:34] helpful.

[45:35] I don't want to replace hedges

[45:37] bays people are constantly

[45:38] ripping them out too. Then it's

[45:42] an eye sore and a headache to

[45:44] us.

[45:45] then about irrigation.

[45:46] I'm sure they want to plan like

[45:52] a zero scape or whatever it is

[45:54] where we don't have to put in

[45:56] irrigation and cut the road and

[45:58] tie it somewhere.

[46:00] I'm sure it will be helpful to

[46:02] you and it will be mainly the

[46:05] safety that the neighbor needs.

[46:12] except guy across from you, he

[46:15] built his own wall.

[46:17] >> can I come up one more time.

[46:19] >> sure.

[46:20] >> I have ad yaz.

[46:21] we drive through the county and

[46:22] see great stuff.

[46:23] I can take pictures this.

[46:25] are things to help cover up the

[46:27] guard rail.

[46:28] most of all it, it may be

[46:31] pricey.

[46:32] you know our lives are worth it.

[46:34] our health values.

[46:36] we're in the nicest part of the

[46:41] street and we take care of the

[46:44] homes.

[46:45] the back of the fences are so

[46:46] unsightly.

[46:48] the weeds under it.

[46:50] they expect us to come around

[46:52] with our weed whackers and come

[46:54] around.

[46:55] look at the stretch, hr-ts pack

[46:58] up our stuff on the road to go

[46:59] to nob hill and take the weeds

[47:01] from under the fence away.

[47:03] pressure clean the fence.

[47:05] typically that's our

[47:06] responsibility.

[47:09] we're in an awkward spot.

[47:11] we're a great neighborhood.

[47:13] great people in the

[47:14] neighborhood.

[47:17] we take good care of our homes.

[47:19] if the city can recognize it's a

[47:21] win win.

[47:22] I appreciate everything you did

[47:23] to look into this.

[47:25] it's me bugging you guys for 25

[47:27] years.

[47:28] >> I want to thank you for

[47:30] coming out here.

[47:31] I don't know if your neighbors

[47:32] value who are you to them.

[47:37] we're grateful for your input

[47:39] and putting the whip to* us to

[47:42] get a solution.

[47:43] I want to commend you.

[47:44] we like our residents to

[47:46] participate.

[47:47] we don't always get it right.

[47:49] when people come forward and let

[47:51] us know what the problems are

[47:53] and continue to focus on it here

[47:55] is where the -- the squeaky

[47:59] wheel gets the grease.

[48:01] >> yes.

[48:03] >> there you go.

[48:04] >> my father owned the three

[48:06] properties before nob hill was

[48:07] nob hill.

[48:08] we naturally bought it and built

[48:10] on it it's our home.

[48:12] we're not going anywhere.

[48:13] don't make me come back in a

[48:15] couple of years and say I'm back

[48:18] again.

[48:19] >> we do a lot with wellby.

[48:22] we have saved them hundreds of

[48:24] thousands of dollars over the

[48:26] years taking over their land

[48:28] skaeufplt.

[48:29] >> did you a beautiful job.

[48:30] I love it.

[48:31] >> that's prompted me to say

[48:33] let's do that to our area.

[48:35] >> now we're asking to use their

[48:37] property for art in public

[48:39] places.

[48:40] when he need the squeaky wheel

[48:41] we will call you.

[48:42] >> yes, yes.

[48:44] we wrote with chalk on the back

[48:45] of the fence, thank you to the

[48:47] fire fight erdz and such for

[48:48] covid-19.

[48:49] >> thank you for listening to

[48:51] me.

[48:52] >> thank you.

[48:53] >> thank you.

[48:54] >> thank you.

[48:55] >> tory, someone had their hand

[48:57] up on the phone.

[48:58] >> no, they disconnected from

[48:59] the call.

[49:03] >> okay.

[49:04] >> let us know in they come

[49:07] back.

[49:08] >> yes.

[49:09] let us know if they come back.

[49:10] mr. City manager is there a

[49:12] timeline on when you propose

[49:16] installation proposed guard rail

[49:19] or landscape will or a timeline

[49:22] to share with the public?

[49:23] >> certainly we haven't put pen

[49:26] to paper on a timeline.

[49:28] we hoped to design the project

[49:31] in house to save time.

[49:38] we have a contract in place for

[49:39] a guard rail and we can utilize

[49:42] that. Instead of a wall this is

[49:44] months to get this done.

[49:45] >> with the budget coming up is

[49:48] this something to get in this

[49:49] year?

[49:50] >> 36 months, 48 months.

[49:55] >> I will get with budget and

[49:57] see if we can find the funds.

[49:59] if we need additional dollars we

[50:01] will come back and ask the

[50:03] commission.

[50:04] >> mayor ryan, any comments?

[50:05] >> no.

[50:10] >> anyone else.

[50:11] >> no.

[50:12] >> thank you for being here.

[50:13] city staff and everyone here is

[50:15] hoping to get this resolved.

[50:17] I know since I have been up here

[50:19] it's been a issue.

[50:21] I really want to see it get

[50:23] resolved.

[50:24] I'm glad to see staff has come

[50:26] up with a proposed solution.

[50:28] >> when it's installed call me

[50:31] so I can see it first hand.

[50:36] >> I will have a party.

[50:38] >> next is jonathan salis on the

[50:41] phone in regards to the wall I'm

[50:44] assuming.

[50:46] is he available?

[50:51] if he can raise his hand I would

[50:53] be happy to identify him.

[50:55] pressing 5 star.

[51:01] press 5 star please.

[51:08] >> I don't see anyone.

[51:09] >> gentleman in the green shirt.

[51:12] come on up.

[51:13] I will get you next, ma'am.

[51:22] >> if you can state your name

[51:24] and address.

[51:25] >> bryce goldberg.

[51:27] I'm at 101st avenue.

[51:29] it was my house hit.

[51:31] >> sorry to hear that.

[51:32] >> I just, thank you for taking

[51:34] this seriously.

[51:36] yes we do appreciate paula

[51:38] leaning on this.

[51:39] my only question is for the city

[51:41] manager.

[51:42] I know you looked into the wall

[51:43] and moving the wires.

[51:45] all of the wires are several

[51:47] feet behind the existing fence.

[51:50] I'm just not understanding why,

[51:52] if we move the tents and replace

[51:55] it with a wall that shouldn't

[51:56] affect the wires behind the

[51:58] wall.

[51:59] we have asked about digging up.

[52:08] they come through the front

[52:10] there.

[52:11] is no access through the front.

[52:12] I don't understand.

[52:13] I don't know if you have looked

[52:15] into it.

[52:16] if you just replace what is

[52:17] there with a wall.

[52:18] the wires underneath would be

[52:22] accessed the same why.

[52:24] why is that a hinderance for the

[52:27] woeurz to be moved up.

[52:28] I understand that's the issue

[52:30] for cost.

[52:31] >> installing the wall is not

[52:34] just above grouped.

[52:35] it's a below ground foundation

[52:37] that's installed with the wall.

[52:39] it's not just above grouped what

[52:40] you see.

[52:41] there are cylinders that are

[52:43] several feet in width.

[52:45] the starting of that sill eupder

[52:47] is the back of the sidewalk

[52:48] going back several feet on top

[52:52] of that we have to have approval

[52:54] of the utilities.

[52:55] they won't approve a wall in

[52:57] that location.

[52:58] it's a utility easement.

[53:00] >> I just want to make sure you

[53:02] look into it the guard rail with

[53:04] the trees sounds viable.

[53:06] thank you, guys.

[53:07] >> thank you.

[53:08] >>

[53:11] >> come on up.

[53:16] >> I'm going in order.

[53:20] are you martha?

[53:21] >> martha, come on down.

[53:32] [inaudible]

[53:33] >> you are here.

[53:35] that's what is most important.

[53:36] >> exactly.

[53:38] can you state your name and

[53:39] address, ma'am.

[53:40] >> my name is market that.

[53:42] my last name is.

[53:45] I live 2971 northwest 110

[53:49] avenue, sun rides, florida.

[53:51] 33322.

[53:53] >> welcome.

[54:02] go ahead.

[54:03] >> we had an association called

[54:06] mvp.

[54:07] they ran the association for two

[54:09] years.

[54:12] they on june 6th of this year

[54:16] they run out with our money.

[54:18] they presented to us $6000 that

[54:22] we do have.

[54:24] when we contact the bank we

[54:28] found $1400 with a reserve of

[54:31] ten dollars.

[54:32] in other words they took out our

[54:34] money.

[54:35] we did a police case.

[54:37] we did city of sunrise.

[54:41] we put a -- with the state of

[54:45] florida.

[54:46] I did the complaint with the

[54:47] better business bureau.

[54:48] nothing has been done.

[54:50] I know the city of sunrise is a

[54:53] compassionate city.

[54:54] I am coming over here to get

[54:58] your advice, to get your help.

[55:01] >> todd: see what you can do for

[55:02] us.

[55:03] the alliance property managers

[55:08] now per our -- refers to

[55:14] mr. Alliance property management

[55:15] to run our hoa.

[55:17] they assess 800, I mean for

[55:24] august $500.

[55:26] for september another $500.

[55:31] on top of the 125 association

[55:35] fee.

[55:36] as far as try to put money to

[55:42] runt business of our hoa.

[55:46] as far as the board of

[55:48] directors.

[55:49] they don't want us.

[55:54] we are 75 houses.

[55:58] home owners signed up for a new

[56:01] board of director.

[56:02] like myself they're suppose to

[56:04] request every three months for

[56:06] the balance of the bank.

[56:08] how the association was.

[56:10] they never requested it.

[56:19] we tried to get a new board of

[56:21] directors.

[56:22] it was stated that can not be.

[56:23] we condition have a meeting.

[56:26] to get a new board of director.

[56:29] we don't know what to do.

[56:30] we just, we don't have no idea.

[56:33] we tried to consult a real

[56:37] estate lawyer.

[56:40] very expensive.

[56:41] very very expensive.

[56:43] we have holes in the street, our

[56:54] pool is closed.

[56:55] they increased two, three years

[56:57] ago.

[56:58] my mvp from $95 to $125 to text

[57:03] up the pool.

[57:05] to fix up the holes, the pot

[57:07] holes on the street.

[57:11] to trim our streets.

[57:12] nothing has been done.

[57:20] as far as we know the is still

[57:22] in business ripping other

[57:24] associations.

[57:25] it's not fair.

[57:27] for us to be paying and someone

[57:29] takes off with the moppy and are

[57:31] still doing business someplace

[57:34] else.

[57:35] >> I understand.

[57:36] >> like the city, you guys, the

[57:38] city of sunrise we would like

[57:40] you to help us out.

[57:41] his name is mario.

[57:44] he's the owner of my mvp.

[57:46] he's doing business someplace

[57:49] else.

[57:50] it's not fare for us to leave us

[57:54] with ten dollars.

[57:56] he presented we of $61,000.

[58:02] we contacted the bank.

[58:04] they told us it was.

[58:08] the reserve was ten dollars.

[58:13] we don't know what to do.

[58:14] I went office they told me they

[58:18] can't do.

[58:19] I spoke to anna.

[58:22] she told me there is nothing she

[58:24] can do because we don't --

[58:29] condos.

[58:31] because we're a development.

[58:32] it's nothing she can do with us.

[58:35] >> let me ask the chief of

[58:37] police to come up and give us a

[58:39] little update.

[58:40] okay.

[58:41] he's coming up behind you.

[58:43] >> repeat that again.

[58:44] >> I am asking the chief of

[58:46] police come up.

[58:47] >> the case number four the

[58:49] police department was this

[58:52] report.

[58:53] 2106.

[58:54] this is the --

[58:56] >> okay.

[58:57] >> thank you, very much.

[58:58] >> no problem.

[58:59] commissioner I don't know the

[59:00] defails of a investigation we

[59:03] have going on.

[59:04] what I would like to do is talk

[59:06] to you in the hallway with major

[59:13] sweat.

[59:14] we will look into the criminal

[59:16] in sref gauges and other items.

[59:19] >> any assistance?

[59:22] >> from my perspective there is

[59:24] limited resources from city

[59:26] this.

[59:27] appears to be mostly a private

[59:29] matter.

[59:30] >> you concur.

[59:31] >> yes I do concur.

[59:32] >> there use to be an

[59:34] association --

[59:36] >> my apologies.

[59:37] >> deputy --

[59:40] >> good everything.

[59:43] [inaudible]

[59:44] >> I do agree with what mark

[59:48] said.

[59:49] sorry.

[59:50] >> I have been involved in

[59:51] condos there.

[59:52] is a lot of people that have

[59:54] these challenges.

[59:55] we condition start opening that

[59:57] door.

[1:00:00] they're private organizations

[1:00:01] and what not.

[1:00:03] I think we should leave the

[1:00:04] police investigation look into

[1:00:06] it.

[1:00:08] >> yes.

[1:00:09] >> we received an e-mail this

[1:00:12] past week.

[1:00:13] tory, I believe was on top of

[1:00:14] this.

[1:00:15] so, I want to speak with chief

[1:00:18] rose a if you can provide, I

[1:00:20] think he has your contact

[1:00:23] information.

[1:00:24] will he contact you to give you

[1:00:25] information on the hoa to take

[1:00:27] over.

[1:00:28] the state rep to get involved.

[1:00:29] we can't as stated but we can

[1:00:32] provide resources as to who can.

[1:00:35] >> thank you, for me the problem

[1:00:37] is that this company keep on --

[1:00:44] nor me, my perspective.

[1:00:46] think those people, that company

[1:00:48] keep doing what they doing on

[1:00:50] and on because nobody does

[1:00:55] anything.

[1:00:56] they open business with another

[1:00:57] name.

[1:00:58] the same company.

[1:00:59] as far as with know the company

[1:01:04] is running and doing business as

[1:01:06] another associate.

[1:01:08] thank you, very much.

[1:01:09] I really appreciate it.

[1:01:11] >> before you go.

[1:01:12] I think commissioner scuotto had

[1:01:15] something to say.

[1:01:16] >> there was a condo association

[1:01:20] that took place once a month at

[1:01:24] phase one.

[1:01:25] think it's ran by the county.

[1:01:26] they would be the ones that

[1:01:28] helped all of the individual

[1:01:31] associations with the rules and

[1:01:34] by laws and all of the different

[1:01:35] things.

[1:01:36] they had representatives

[1:01:38] representing in tallahassee.

[1:01:40] I think it's a county thing.

[1:01:42] I can't remember what the

[1:01:47] organization was.

[1:01:48] I know they met every month at

[1:01:50] phase one in the club house.

[1:01:52] it was all of these lawyers and

[1:01:56] entities from the hoas that

[1:01:58] would meet.

[1:02:01] I think it was through the

[1:02:02] county.

[1:02:03] maybe the area agency on aging.

[1:02:05] one of the ladies that worked

[1:02:07] there ran it.

[1:02:10] I can maybe try to find out

[1:02:12] tomorrow.

[1:02:13] >> as you may -- as you may

[1:02:15] imagine, ma'am.

[1:02:16] I will allow to you comment.

[1:02:17] I wanted to say because I do get

[1:02:20] those calls in my capacity as

[1:02:23] city commissioner, all the time.

[1:02:24] people are having challenges

[1:02:26] with management company.

[1:02:28] people feel like they're being

[1:02:30] taken advantage of by their

[1:02:33] boards.

[1:02:35] we as a city still have limits

[1:02:38] to what we can do as a

[1:02:41] government.

[1:02:42] each of the condo associations.

[1:02:44] we have quite a few here in the

[1:02:46] city based on how it was

[1:02:47] developed initially.

[1:02:48] they're private corporation.

[1:02:59] if you have a management company

[1:03:01] that stole money it's no

[1:03:07] different than a public stealing

[1:03:10] upony.

[1:03:12] to the extent of a criminal

[1:03:14] case.

[1:03:15] >> it's a criminal matter in

[1:03:18] here.

[1:03:19] I believe that company still

[1:03:20] doing business.

[1:03:21] >> right. Obviously the chief

[1:03:26] will look into it.

[1:03:27] if there is a issue there to be

[1:03:29] addressed.

[1:03:30] as city commissioners.

[1:03:31] this is the rule of law that we

[1:03:33] a bide by.

[1:03:34] we try to* not to get involved

[1:03:37] if the operational and issues

[1:03:41] where police are concerned.

[1:03:42] >> if they investigate and they

[1:03:45] believe there is basis for

[1:03:46] criminal charges they will press

[1:03:49] forward with that.

[1:03:50] we stay away from getting into

[1:03:52] individual cases.

[1:03:53] we deal with policy of how the

[1:03:56] police department operates in

[1:03:58] the community.

[1:03:59] we don't want to comment too

[1:04:01] much on details of a particular

[1:04:02] case.

[1:04:03] I'm sure if it's there they will

[1:04:05] find out.

[1:04:06] >> thank you very much.

[1:04:08] as far as the -- when I went

[1:04:11] to -- they told me nobody can

[1:04:17] help us out by a real estate

[1:04:20] lawyer.

[1:04:21] but I can speak with the city of

[1:04:25] sunrise to see if something can

[1:04:27] be done.

[1:04:31] >> sometimes things that are

[1:04:32] criminal are also civil.

[1:04:35] maybe a real estate lawyer would

[1:04:37] help you recoup the money in a

[1:04:40] civil proceeding or help you

[1:04:42] organize yourself to be legally

[1:04:45] effective.

[1:04:46] there could be a criminal

[1:04:48] element to it

[1:04:50] again I'm sure we have some of

[1:04:52] the best investigators around.

[1:04:54] they will find out if there is a

[1:04:57] criminal charge there to be

[1:05:00] brought.

[1:05:01] >> okay.

[1:05:02] thank you, very much.

[1:05:03] >> mayor ryan.

[1:05:06] anything?

[1:05:07] >> nothing further.

[1:05:08] >> thank you.

[1:05:09] >> thank you, ma'am.

[1:05:13] thank you for coming up.

[1:05:15] >> thank you.

[1:05:19] >> have a good evening.

[1:05:20] anyone else wishing to speak on

[1:05:22] a matter during open discussion

[1:05:24] in the audience?

[1:05:25] tory, anyone on the phone,

[1:05:28] wanting to speak in open

[1:05:29] discussion?

[1:05:31] >> no hands are raised.

[1:05:34] >> alright.

[1:05:35] I will close open discussion.

[1:05:36] >> mr. Hill was on the line.

[1:05:38] he to go.

[1:05:39] I will discuss that in my

[1:05:41] commission report.

[1:05:42] >> who?

[1:05:43] >> mr. Hill.

[1:05:44] I think lordes informed you.

[1:05:47] it's okay.

[1:05:48] >> I'm sorry.

[1:05:49] >> he had to hang up.

[1:05:51] >> let's go back to 12b.

[1:06:09] is that alright with my

[1:06:11] colleagues.

[1:06:12] 12b.

[1:06:13] >> yes, 12b.

[1:06:15] >> I will read it.

[1:06:17] >> transfer of property.

[1:06:18] commission discussion and/or

[1:06:20] action regarding first reading

[1:06:22] of an ordinance of the city of

[1:06:24] sunrise, florida, approving an

[1:06:28] agreement for sale and purchase

[1:06:30] between the city of sunrise and

[1:06:32] new urban sunset strip, llc, for

[1:06:36] city property generally

[1:06:38] described as a portion of tracts

[1:06:40] 25 and 26 in the northwest one

[1:06:43] quarter of section 35, township

[1:06:47] 49, south, range 41 east, of

[1:06:51] florida fruit lands company

[1:06:55] subdivision number one, as

[1:06:57] recorded in plat book 2, page

[1:07:00] 17, of the public records of

[1:07:03] dade county, florida -- I will

[1:07:08] allow mr. Lubelski to give us a

[1:07:13] quick introduction on this

[1:07:15] matter.

[1:07:16] move.

[1:07:17] >> move it.

[1:07:18] >> second.

[1:07:19] >> moved and seconded.

[1:07:20] >> thank you, deputy mayor.

[1:07:23] on october 13th, 2020, the

[1:07:25] city commission authorized the

[1:07:27] city manager to tender officers

[1:07:31] and counter officers in writing

[1:07:33] concerning the property.

[1:07:35] providing the sale is not less

[1:07:39] than the property appraised

[1:07:41] values.

[1:07:42] urban communities with a strong

[1:07:45] reputation in south florida is

[1:07:48] successful developer of urban

[1:07:51] projects.

[1:07:52] they're proposing a residential

[1:07:54] development with -- rear loaded

[1:08:00] garages and offered front

[1:08:03] porches.

[1:08:04] at least three of the homes are

[1:08:08] live work units.

[1:08:09] the pros project satisfy the

[1:08:14] vision of the master plan

[1:08:16] compatible with the sir oupbding

[1:08:18] neighborhood.

[1:08:19] the kpheugts previously

[1:08:20] requested the agreement include

[1:08:22] a call back or conclusion.

[1:08:30] staff has provided similar

[1:08:32] protections for the city and the

[1:08:33] attached agreement includes the

[1:08:35] following safeguards.

[1:08:37] establishes the closing will

[1:08:39] take place with all land use in

[1:08:42] place and three homes are ready

[1:08:44] for issuance this.

[1:08:46] insures once the closing occurs

[1:08:52] construction commences shortly

[1:08:54] after closing.

[1:08:55] the buyer to obtain a loan

[1:08:57] commitment letter for financing

[1:08:59] of the property purchases, site

[1:09:02] cost and vertical construction

[1:09:03] costs.

[1:09:04] this provides reasonable

[1:09:06] assurance the buyer has

[1:09:08] appropriate finance for the

[1:09:09] project.

[1:09:10] at agreement requires in the

[1:09:12] event a buyer fail to close the

[1:09:14] loan within 60 days, the seller

[1:09:18] can purchase the property from

[1:09:20] the buyer in the khur pace

[1:09:22] price.

[1:09:23] this provides a call back

[1:09:25] provision if there is not a call

[1:09:28] back within 60 days.

[1:09:30] once the loan is closed the

[1:09:32] construction will commence

[1:09:36] shortly after with her mits and

[1:09:38] financing.

[1:09:39] there is an ex hebt of

[1:09:43] provisions for a detailed over

[1:09:46] view of the project.

[1:09:47] a development agreement with

[1:09:49] insure to be developed with the

[1:09:52] city's provision.

[1:09:53] a sales price of $500,000

[1:09:56] includes affordable housing on

[1:09:59] 90% of the units this.

[1:10:01] is in line with an updated

[1:10:03] appraisal scenario.

[1:10:06] the project is to be the first

[1:10:11] in many years, intended to

[1:10:14] create significant interest in

[1:10:15] the marketplace due to playing

[1:10:18] concepts and kwaugt of pros

[1:10:20] development.

[1:10:21] tim hernandez is here today.

[1:10:23] I would like to bring him up to

[1:10:25] introduce himself and answer any

[1:10:27] questions that the commission

[1:10:28] may have for him or for staff.

[1:10:33] >> good everything mr. Manis.

[1:10:38] >> good I'm I'm tim hernandez

[1:10:40] with my record kevin record next

[1:10:43] to the back row, with me.

[1:10:44] new urban has been in business

[1:10:49] for about 22 years.

[1:10:50] we have done a lost

[1:10:52] redevelopment projects

[1:10:53] throughout south florida.

[1:10:55] notably pwroeuard county.

[1:10:58] mira bella off palm avenue.

[1:11:03] we did two develops bel isle and

[1:11:06] currently building a development

[1:11:09] wilt manors.

[1:11:12] we have done a couple in ft.

[1:11:15] lauderdale, victoria park on the

[1:11:18] old bank atlantic corporate

[1:11:23] site.

[1:11:24] we are currently developing

[1:11:26] pompano beach fishing village at

[1:11:29] the pier.

[1:11:31] that's just broward.

[1:11:33] number of projects in delray

[1:11:35] beach.

[1:11:36] our fifth project in delray

[1:11:38] beach is beginning.

[1:11:39] we have four in jupiter.

[1:11:42] we like to find communities we

[1:11:43] can understand the market in and

[1:11:45] work together with the staff and

[1:11:46] continue to do more developments

[1:11:49] within the communities.

[1:11:50] so as mark indicated we focused

[1:11:53] on infield redevelopment

[1:11:55] projects.

[1:11:58] -- big cookie cutter home style

[1:12:02] types.

[1:12:03] we look to develop something

[1:12:04] that is compatible with

[1:12:06] surrounding neighborhood.

[1:12:08] hopefully help curve as a

[1:12:14] catalyst for further development

[1:12:16] in those areas.

[1:12:17] think that's our track record

[1:12:18] through our history.

[1:12:20] we spend a lost time and effort

[1:12:22] on design, architecture design

[1:12:24] and our site planning, try to

[1:12:27] create unique and attractive

[1:12:34] settings for our residents to

[1:12:36] live.

[1:12:37] we are local, we live here.

[1:12:38] we want to come back to our

[1:12:40] communities and see they're

[1:12:41] better overtime.

[1:12:42] that they have made the

[1:12:45] communities we build in better

[1:12:47] overtime.

[1:12:48] we work very hard the last year

[1:12:49] plus with your staff, mark

[1:12:54] particularly to create something

[1:12:56] that is consistent with east

[1:12:58] sunrise plan that you guys had

[1:13:00] adopted, compatible with the

[1:13:04] surrounding community.

[1:13:06] we're excited about this

[1:13:07] development.

[1:13:08] I mean it's, you read about how,

[1:13:13] you know sales prices have gone

[1:13:16] up here.

[1:13:17] to be able to deliver at work

[1:13:19] force housing development in

[1:13:20] this neighborhood is important.

[1:13:22] it's a challenge.

[1:13:23] it takes everyone working

[1:13:25] together to be able to do that.

[1:13:26] construction costs have sky

[1:13:30] rocketed over the last year.

[1:13:31] it's unbelievable.

[1:13:33] so it takes etch working

[1:13:36] together to get this done.

[1:13:37] I think we have done that.

[1:13:39] >> thank you, my colleagues may

[1:13:42] have questions for you.

[1:13:43] >> commissioner scuotto.

[1:13:47] >> yes, you said pompano beach.

[1:13:49] that's all commercial pretty

[1:13:51] much?

[1:13:52] >> I yes that is all commercial.

[1:13:54] we do multi family, rental

[1:13:57] developments, for sale town

[1:13:59] homes and single family detached

[1:14:02] housing and commercial.

[1:14:03] and some mixed use with

[1:14:06] residential and residential in

[1:14:08] the development.

[1:14:11] >> the up with you're doing with

[1:14:12] us is just residential.

[1:14:14] >> a 00 percent.

[1:14:16] 28 single family detached homes.

[1:14:19] like the one we did in ft.

[1:14:21] lauderdale that was 30 single

[1:14:24] family detached homes.

[1:14:26] >> -- cypress street.

[1:14:32] >> no near the old gateway

[1:14:35] theater.

[1:14:36] >> the high rise one.

[1:14:38] >> no two story detached homes.

[1:14:41] 30 homes.

[1:14:42] they built for us.

[1:14:43] we had nothing to do with it

[1:14:45] they built a bbt branch bank.

[1:14:48] they tore down the six story big

[1:14:51] atlantic historic corporate head

[1:14:54] courters.

[1:14:55] put a branch bank in front.

[1:14:57] in the back part there was

[1:14:59] about, similar size, a little

[1:15:02] less than three acres and we put

[1:15:04] the homes on.

[1:15:05] those homes were much more

[1:15:07] expensive because of the

[1:15:09] neighborhood surrounding it but

[1:15:12] it was similar.

[1:15:13] detached homes on small lots.

[1:15:15] >> so, I mean the tame frame you

[1:15:18] feel you can do this in.

[1:15:20] if we approve this tonight what

[1:15:24] is the time frame you would

[1:15:26] begin -- you mention now about

[1:15:28] the cost.

[1:15:29] yet we bought the prompt for

[1:15:32] 900,000.

[1:15:33] we're giving it to you for

[1:15:35] 500,000.

[1:15:36] that's a cost savings to you

[1:15:37] there.

[1:15:38] >> it is.

[1:15:39] I wish I could of start two

[1:15:40] years ago.

[1:15:41] it would of been a better deal

[1:15:43] for us.

[1:15:44] to be honest with you.

[1:15:45] in terms of timing it was up to

[1:15:49] us.

[1:15:50] we like, we have a site plan.

[1:15:53] we turn the site plan, we get

[1:15:54] approval.

[1:15:55] we have to go through the

[1:15:58] development review process.

[1:16:00] unfortunately it's not platted.

[1:16:02] we have to go through the

[1:16:04] counting platting process too.

[1:16:16] >> how long with l. That take?

[1:16:18] >> probably a year.

[1:16:20] we will do the platting

[1:16:22] simultaneous.

[1:16:23] >> when the county approves the

[1:16:28] plat we're ready to roll.

[1:16:30] we will start construction

[1:16:31] relatively speaking in about a

[1:16:34] year or . So it depends highway

[1:16:36] fast we sell.

[1:16:37] think we will sell.

[1:16:39] we're limited in the price we

[1:16:41] can sell for.

[1:16:42] I think we will sell fast.

[1:16:44] the 28 homes should be built in

[1:16:47] a period not more than two

[1:16:48] years.

[1:16:49] three years from today, okay.

[1:16:52] >> three years from today you

[1:16:54] feel you will have a completed

[1:16:56] project.

[1:16:57] >> yes.

[1:16:58] I would like to think it could

[1:17:03] go fatter but this is a quality

[1:17:05] development.

[1:17:06] land development.

[1:17:07] sewer, water, drainage.

[1:17:08] go through the permit.

[1:17:10] permit through county

[1:17:11] environmental department as

[1:17:14] well.

[1:17:15] >> I just wanted to get the time

[1:17:16] frame.

[1:17:17] this is something we started

[1:17:18] this east side, this was to be

[1:17:22] one of our first things.

[1:17:25] >> I know.

[1:17:28] when you first authorized the

[1:17:30] agreement you said you wanted it

[1:17:32] done as fast as humanly

[1:17:34] possible.

[1:17:35] I echoed that.

[1:17:36] >> I want to make sure the fries

[1:17:38] price of construction won't

[1:17:39] scare you to delay the project

[1:17:42] and wait.

[1:17:46] >> no, we're not scared by it.

[1:17:48] we perform.

[1:17:50] kevin is the general contractor.

[1:17:52] we don't have to go out and find

[1:17:55] a contract tore do this, okay.

[1:17:57] however prices will continue to

[1:17:59] rise a bit.

[1:18:00] the way this works is we have

[1:18:01] to, we agreed to sell the homes

[1:18:04] to people making less than 140%

[1:18:07] of the medium income.

[1:18:09] presumably that price inches up

[1:18:12] a little bit each year too.

[1:18:14] that hopefully covers the cost

[1:18:16] of construction.

[1:18:17] it hasn't frankly in the last

[1:18:18] couple of years.

[1:18:19] the cost of labor.

[1:18:21] the cost of materials,

[1:18:25] commodities have increased much

[1:18:28] more.

[1:18:29] it's ray cyclical industry.

[1:18:32] things go up, flatten and go

[1:18:35] down.

[1:18:36] we believe in the market,

[1:18:37] neighborhood and believe we can

[1:18:39] make it work.

[1:18:40] >> thank you.

[1:18:41] >> thank you, sir, for coming

[1:18:44] here today.

[1:18:45] we have formulas here we're

[1:18:50] using to determine the

[1:18:52] affordable housing component.

[1:18:54] what is this average salary?

[1:19:08] >> it's adjusted by family size.

[1:19:10] >> a family of four.

[1:19:12] >> a family of four, I don't

[1:19:14] have that, I didn't bring that

[1:19:16] chart up with me.

[1:19:18] >> staff, do you know.

[1:19:19] >> I can look it up if you need

[1:19:21] me too.

[1:19:22] I think generally what you will

[1:19:23] find is it's probably these days

[1:19:26] in broward count.y I think the

[1:19:28] median income in broward county

[1:19:31] is in the 60s.

[1:19:37] >> I wouldn't want you to

[1:19:39] speculate.

[1:19:40] I hear we will have -- they

[1:19:43] sound good.

[1:19:44] I love the project.

[1:19:45] I want to make sure the fine

[1:19:47] details are worked out.

[1:19:50] >> so, if -- based op what I'm

[1:19:53] hearing three bedroom, three

[1:19:56] bedroom, two and a half bath,

[1:19:59] single family, one-two car

[1:20:01] garage.

[1:20:02] 15002018000 square feet.

[1:20:05] I want to make sure someone can

[1:20:07] afford it making the ami.

[1:20:12] I want to know the pro equity

[1:20:14] judged numbers.

[1:20:15] >> sure I can pull up my power

[1:20:18] point.

[1:20:19] it's approximately,

[1:20:20] approximately, a median income

[1:20:22] of broward county for a family

[1:20:24] of four, a hundred percent is

[1:20:26] around 65,000 more or less.

[1:20:31] >> deputy mayor, I have pulled

[1:20:33] this up.

[1:20:34] for 80% category for a family of

[1:20:38] four it's 70,400.

[1:20:41] for -- it's 105 income.

[1:20:46] then it gets adjusted up or down

[1:20:48] depending on the household size.

[1:20:50] >> for 08% category.

[1:20:57] >> yes.

[1:20:58] >> what about a hundred.

[1:20:59] >> the next category I see here

[1:21:02] is 120.

[1:21:03] that's 105,000.

[1:21:05] >> okay that is another, the

[1:21:08] range between 100 and

[1:21:11] 140 percent.

[1:21:12] >> yes.

[1:21:13] to clarify for this project we

[1:21:15] have 25 of the homes between 80

[1:21:21] and 100 percent.

[1:21:24] -- then another 40% between

[1:21:27] 100-140.

[1:21:29] >> so seven and seven will be

[1:21:32] deed restricted for 30 years.

[1:21:34] another 24 will be deed

[1:21:36] restricted in the same 100-140

[1:21:44] for ten years.

[1:21:45] ten percent won't be deed

[1:21:54] restricted.

[1:21:55] hen ten, ten percent is 2.8.

[1:21:59] how much do these sell for, sir?

[1:22:01] >> they will sell for around

[1:22:03] $400,000.

[1:22:05] >> about 400.

[1:22:06] >> about.

[1:22:10] by the time they're up for sale

[1:22:11] it will be a little movement in

[1:22:13] that number.

[1:22:17] it will be based on that table

[1:22:19] that --

[1:22:21] >> if you were to use today's

[1:22:27] interest rate.

[1:22:28] go for 3.5%.

[1:22:29] how much is the mortgage on a

[1:22:31] home for 400,000?

[1:22:34] >> okay.

[1:22:35] well if you bought, paid

[1:22:39] $400,000 for the house, use that

[1:22:42] number.

[1:22:43] if you went fha, you have a 3.5

[1:22:47] president down payment.

[1:22:48] convention a 5% down payment.

[1:22:52] you're basically talking high

[1:22:55] 300s 380-350.

[1:23:02] that's the mortgage payment.

[1:23:05] it's what the mortgage will be.

[1:23:08] the mother gam payment -- let's

[1:23:11] see if I can do that, if it's

[1:23:13] interest only.

[1:23:14] it's not.

[1:23:15] it's an amortising loan.

[1:23:18] >> we want to make sure the

[1:23:19] person am ore tieing their

[1:23:22] mortgage.

[1:23:23] it's deed restricted for 30

[1:23:24] years.

[1:23:25] >> I thank you.

[1:23:26] >> she brought my chart for me.

[1:23:28] thank you. Oky doky.

[1:23:35] let's see here.

[1:23:39] >> the housing --

[1:24:40] >> okay.

[1:24:41] for example if you had a -- a we

[1:24:46] did it for all different ways.

[1:24:48] let's see the family of four

[1:24:50] calculation here.

[1:24:51] family of four.

[1:24:52] a hundred percent.

[1:24:57] did you a fha mortgage.

[1:25:01] your monthly payment would be

[1:25:07] about $1400.

[1:25:08] the interest rates have been

[1:25:10] really low lately.

[1:25:12] say it goes up a bit.

[1:25:14] on top of that commissioner,

[1:25:16] remember we took this no

[1:25:18] account.

[1:25:19] you have to pay property taxes,

[1:25:20] you have to pay insurance, you

[1:25:22] have to pay an hoa fee.

[1:25:24] we will have a common area to

[1:25:29] maintain.

[1:25:30] by and large your total housing

[1:25:32] payment per month would be about

[1:25:38] about $30,000 in total housing

[1:25:41] cost per year.

[1:25:42] about.

[1:25:43] it's an estimate.

[1:25:44] that's depending how much you

[1:25:47] actually put down.

[1:25:48] what the actual interest rate is

[1:25:51] that time.

[1:25:52] what the actual probably taxes

[1:25:56] and insurance would be.

[1:25:57] that's about what it would be.

[1:25:59] you typically say someone can

[1:26:01] afford ideally, they say around

[1:26:05] 30% of their income for housing

[1:26:09] costs.

[1:26:10] in a perfect world that's where

[1:26:13] it would be.

[1:26:14] these days in south florida

[1:26:15] people pay probably a little

[1:26:17] more or a lot more.

[1:26:19] >> that's what we're trying to

[1:26:21] do with affordable housing.

[1:26:23] >> I hear you.

[1:26:24] if we can achieve that we have

[1:26:30] accomplished something.

[1:26:32] you think someone having a 3800

[1:26:35] mortgage would pay 1400 a month.

[1:26:43] >> on pmi.

[1:26:44] say it goes to 1500 or 1600.

[1:26:50] it's reasonable.

[1:26:51] think about an apartment.

[1:26:53] you're lucky to get an apartment

[1:26:55] these days for that price.

[1:26:57] >> I understand.

[1:26:58] >> of course your rent includes

[1:27:01] taxes and insurance.

[1:27:02] >> given you have bun proforma

[1:27:06] what is projected for the

[1:27:09] association.

[1:27:10] >> I project now.

[1:27:11] the association here would

[1:27:14] maintain all of the grounds.

[1:27:17] okay.

[1:27:18] the common area, it would

[1:27:20] maintain even the landscaping

[1:27:22] around everybody's home.

[1:27:26] each individual is responsible

[1:27:28] for their own home.

[1:27:29] okay.

[1:27:30] I estimate about two hundred

[1:27:32] dollars a month for the hoa.

[1:27:38] landscape maintenance,

[1:27:40] irrigation.

[1:27:42] the pool.

[1:27:43] those are the main elements have

[1:27:45] to fire a probably manager to do

[1:27:49] that.

[1:27:50] >> that's about 1000 dolars a

[1:27:52] month for 28 units give or take.

[1:27:55] will there be common area

[1:27:57] lighting or gate?

[1:27:58] >> no gate.

[1:27:59] we were told no gate by the

[1:28:01] staff.

[1:28:02] we do but will have lighting.

[1:28:03] yes, street lighting on the

[1:28:05] streets and in any common area

[1:28:07] we will have lighting.

[1:28:17] >> according to this seven of

[1:28:19] the units are deed restricted

[1:28:21] for 30 years.

[1:28:23] these would be 70,000 tkharz for

[1:28:26] his himself, wife and two

[1:28:29] children.

[1:28:30] for the next 30 years it would

[1:28:31] have to be sold or resold to

[1:28:34] someone adjusted for

[1:28:35] inflation --

[1:28:36] >> correct.

[1:28:38] when you put that, there is a

[1:28:40] double edge sword with a deed

[1:28:42] restriction.

[1:28:43] some people would say that's a

[1:28:44] good idea.

[1:28:45] you kept that neighborhood

[1:28:47] reasonably priced for a longer

[1:28:50] period of time.

[1:28:51] someone may argue these people

[1:28:55] are not allowed to capture the

[1:28:57] wealth.

[1:28:58] >> another seven again in 140%

[1:29:02] range will have deeds restricted

[1:29:06] for 30 years.

[1:29:07] then we have 13, 14 units that

[1:29:10] won't, well, ten years for about

[1:29:14] 11 of them.

[1:29:15] ten years goes by quickly.

[1:29:18] another throw with no

[1:29:19] restrictions from the get.

[1:29:21] go how do you see this?

[1:29:24] the distortion effect?

[1:29:26] you have three people who bought

[1:29:28] for the same price.

[1:29:29] >> yes.

[1:29:30] >> they can sell their house in

[1:29:32] the marketplace at a price that

[1:29:35] anyone is prepared to pay.

[1:29:37] ten years from now there are

[1:29:39] eleven people jumping into that

[1:29:41] pool.

[1:29:42] they can sell it for whatever

[1:29:43] the market commands.

[1:29:45] then there is 14 people who

[1:29:48] would be living in the communist

[1:29:54] side of the community.

[1:29:56] how do you see this compression

[1:29:58] effect?

[1:29:59] uplgt it's a interesting

[1:30:00] question.

[1:30:01] we have done this in other

[1:30:03] places.

[1:30:04] >> I have.

[1:30:05] this is why I ask.

[1:30:06] >> okay.

[1:30:07] so we did one in delray beach.

[1:30:09] we h it was reversed.

[1:30:10] there was like a small number of

[1:30:13] deed restricted units and a

[1:30:14] large number of market rate

[1:30:16] units.

[1:30:17] so the way I look at it, first

[1:30:19] of all we would like to have as

[1:30:22] many unrestricted units as we

[1:30:24] could. We could sell them for

[1:30:26] more money up front.

[1:30:28] on the other hand the people who

[1:30:30] bought those, those unrestricted

[1:30:34] units to begin with.

[1:30:35] we will charge them more money

[1:30:37] then we're able to charge.

[1:30:40] >> you say these will be sold --

[1:30:43] >> yes.

[1:30:44] I'm not selling the same unit.

[1:30:45] >> which one will sell for foyer

[1:30:48] hundred thousand?

[1:30:49] >> the restricted units will be

[1:30:53] around for 400 units.

[1:30:55] the unrestricted maybe 50,000 or

[1:30:59] $40,000 higher.

[1:31:01] whatever the market can bear.

[1:31:03] >> there are three tiers here.

[1:31:09] assume 146 them will sell for --

[1:31:20] >> that's a good guess tpufpblgt

[1:31:21] tell me I could price

[1:31:22] accordingly.

[1:31:24] my guess.

[1:31:25] kevin, what do you think for a

[1:31:27] premium between only having a

[1:31:29] deed restriction for ten years

[1:31:30] versus 30 years.

[1:31:32] I would say it's probably a

[1:31:35] 5 percent difference.

[1:31:37] maybe ten percent.

[1:31:38] it depends on the individual.

[1:31:41] some people are so happy to get

[1:31:42] a house it's living I will do

[1:31:45] whatever I have to do.

[1:31:46] I will take the restriction.

[1:31:47] others will say I will pay, I

[1:31:49] will bet the market will go up

[1:31:51] more in that period of time.

[1:31:53] >> what would be the premium on

[1:31:54] the ones, the three with no

[1:31:57] restrictions.

[1:31:58] >> I think it will be

[1:31:59] significant.

[1:32:00] I think that will be a double

[1:32:02] premium over what, between the

[1:32:04] ten and the thirty.

[1:32:06] >> is that part of the proforma?

[1:32:09] >> yes.

[1:32:10] >> I saw one without a

[1:32:11] differentiation in price.

[1:32:12] >> into it shows a

[1:32:13] differentiation in price.

[1:32:15] >> I didn't notice.

[1:32:16] >> yes, it showed a

[1:32:18] differentiation in price with

[1:32:21] the unrestricted.

[1:32:22] but you're correct it didn't

[1:32:25] show a differentiation between

[1:32:27] the ten and thirty year.

[1:32:29] there should be somewhat like

[1:32:35] 5%.

[1:32:36] >> okay.

[1:32:37] I will save the rest of my

[1:32:38] questions for staff.

[1:32:42] thank you for your presentation.

[1:32:44] sir.

[1:32:45] >> hold on.

[1:32:46] assistant deputy mayor.

[1:32:51] >> thank you for pointing that

[1:32:52] out.

[1:32:53] >> go ahead.

[1:32:54] >> hold your fire.

[1:32:55] I'm sorry. Hold your thought I

[1:32:57] want -- since I'm --

[1:32:59] >> I didn't want him to sit

[1:33:01] down.

[1:33:02] >> no he can come back.

[1:33:03] I wanted to direct, I didn't

[1:33:05] think co answer these other

[1:33:07] questions.

[1:33:08] >> sorry.

[1:33:10] go ahead, commissioner douglas.

[1:33:12] >> no.

[1:33:13] obviously we have -- I have no

[1:33:22] problem selling something at a

[1:33:25] subsidy if it promotes a common

[1:33:28] good.

[1:33:29] we bought it for about $900,000.

[1:33:32] even using a baseline would be

[1:33:36] giving up 400,000-dollar

[1:33:39] subsidy.

[1:33:41] I saw an appraisal for 1

[1:33:43] pointalot.

[1:33:45] I saw another updated appraisal

[1:33:48] for another amount.

[1:33:49] I saw another appraisal for

[1:33:51] another amount.

[1:33:52] taking into consideration

[1:33:54] various assumptions.

[1:33:57] I'm not sure I'm comfortable

[1:33:59] with the a prates als.

[1:34:00] how the property was appraised.

[1:34:04] if I don't feel comfortable that

[1:34:07] given the public dollars away, I

[1:34:10] understand.

[1:34:11] I'm supportive of the east

[1:34:12] sunrise development.

[1:34:14] not every project, not every

[1:34:17] developer -- I'm not knocking

[1:34:18] your capacities or thiging

[1:34:21] you're not shooting straight

[1:34:23] with us.

[1:34:24] I'm saying not every project

[1:34:26] will be right.

[1:34:27] because of how the dollars are

[1:34:30] playing out.

[1:34:31] I will start with a base hine of

[1:34:40] four hundred thousand.

[1:34:41] I know there were assumptions

[1:34:43] based on covid.

[1:34:45] according to the appraisal we

[1:34:48] know how the market played out.

[1:34:50] I know there are assumptions of

[1:35:00] 2 units being built or five or

[1:35:04] ten.

[1:35:05] that's 30 -- the numbers are all

[1:35:08] over the place.

[1:35:09] if I'm giving up flex units.

[1:35:18] it's not just the land sale but

[1:35:21] giving up flex units I have a

[1:35:24] lot more questions.

[1:35:26] I may not necessarily want to

[1:35:28] put staff on the spot.

[1:35:31] I can't support it tonight as it

[1:35:33] is.

[1:35:34] I will pass the floor.

[1:35:42] >> as you know I'm fairly new.

[1:35:45] agree with commissioner douglas.

[1:35:48] my concern was the same for the

[1:35:50] affordable housing and east

[1:35:51] sunrise.

[1:35:52] I to would like to kind of wait

[1:35:54] for more information and do more

[1:35:56] research.

[1:35:58] even on other properties they

[1:35:59] have in broward county.

[1:36:02] >> thank you.

[1:36:03] >> mayor ryan.

[1:36:06] >> thank you, deputy mayor.

[1:36:10] first of all thank you to the

[1:36:11] team for being here.

[1:36:14] it's apparent they're incredibly

[1:36:16] knowledgeable and done projects

[1:36:18] like this.

[1:36:19] I think hearing my colleagues

[1:36:24] who have not only reasonable

[1:36:26] questions but gaps of

[1:36:27] information as a courtesy to my

[1:36:29] colleagues I wouldn't want to

[1:36:31] proceed.

[1:36:32] I think this have a project we

[1:36:33] need to be a hundred percent

[1:36:35] behind as we begin it I would

[1:36:41] like to move rapidly up or down.

[1:36:43] I think time is of the essence.

[1:36:47] an outline of plotting is

[1:36:49] laborious and time consuming.

[1:36:51] there are significant policy

[1:36:53] questions raised including

[1:36:55] whether this is the right

[1:36:56] balance of deed restriction and

[1:37:03] it might be correct as a effort

[1:37:06] to jump start the area.

[1:37:08] as pointed out and answered this

[1:37:10] is a legitimate question as to

[1:37:12] whether or not we're doing this,

[1:37:16] kind of excluded some people who

[1:37:19] get in early from the beauty of

[1:37:23] home ownership.

[1:37:24] investing all of your money in a

[1:37:27] single asset and then not able

[1:37:31] to take advantage to improve the

[1:37:34] area.

[1:37:35] based on the questions of

[1:37:40] commissioner douglas.

[1:37:42] fare and reasonable as pointed

[1:37:44] out by assistant deputy mayor

[1:37:47] I'm not sat fights moving

[1:37:49] forward until everyone is

[1:37:52] satisfied.

[1:37:54] >> mr. Scuotto.

[1:37:56] >> okay.

[1:37:58] let's break this down in

[1:37:59] english.

[1:38:00] so this is where it comes down

[1:38:02] to make commissioners

[1:38:05] understand.

[1:38:06] for someone out of the ordinary.

[1:38:12] none of us are developers or do

[1:38:15] what they do.

[1:38:16] here the city had a piece of

[1:38:18] property.

[1:38:19] someone wanted to get rid of it.

[1:38:21] we purchased it.

[1:38:23] we bait it for 9 hundred

[1:38:25] thousand.

[1:38:26] we wanted to develop it.

[1:38:27] we're not a developer.

[1:38:29] we knocked the building down and

[1:38:32] left it for grass.

[1:38:42] we put ideas out this.

[1:38:44] for one problem we bought it for

[1:38:47] nine hundred.

[1:38:48] we're giving it to someone for

[1:38:50] five hundred.

[1:38:51] anyone would say that's pretty

[1:38:53] crazy.

[1:38:54] you have an appraisal that says

[1:38:55] the property now because how

[1:38:57] things have escalated up it's

[1:38:59] worth two million.

[1:39:02] whatever it is.

[1:39:04] that's our investment instead of

[1:39:06] coming out of pocket to give

[1:39:08] someone something to redevelop

[1:39:10] where it is.

[1:39:11] here, we have a couple of

[1:39:15] options.

[1:39:16] we put it out this.

[1:39:17] is the option we chose.

[1:39:18] we could of picked habitat for

[1:39:25] humanity.

[1:39:26] here you want to develop 15

[1:39:30] houses or 20 we could gone that

[1:39:33] route.

[1:39:34] we could of gone to someone else

[1:39:35] and say eight houses on each

[1:39:37] side, single family and give it

[1:39:39] to someone and do that.

[1:39:40] this is what the option was.

[1:39:48] affordable housing.

[1:39:50] everyone thinks of affordable

[1:39:53] housing as what you grew up with

[1:39:55] in new york or chicago. You put

[1:39:57] people in big buildings and give

[1:39:59] free rent or co ops.

[1:40:01] whatever it is.

[1:40:04] affordable housing, commissioner

[1:40:06] douglas it's $400,000.

[1:40:08] it's not credited affordable

[1:40:10] housing.

[1:40:11] but the rate of the market of

[1:40:13] the homes going in all of these

[1:40:16] areas are 300, 100 plus.

[1:40:22] I mean we just approved a

[1:40:24] development that will go out on

[1:40:26] the golf course, 900 units.

[1:40:29] they will start off at 400,000.

[1:40:33] >> we're not giving the public

[1:40:35] that --

[1:40:36] >> no, I'm saying to understand

[1:40:37] for anyone listening.

[1:40:39] they're going to have an option

[1:40:41] to buy a house with no

[1:40:43] restrictions a few at an

[1:40:48] affordable rate.

[1:40:49] because we're putting money into

[1:40:51] this on our own we feel the

[1:40:54] prices should be lower than the

[1:40:56] 100.

[1:40:57] nobody can build under the 400

[1:40:59] now.

[1:41:00] I don't care why they come up

[1:41:09] with the number.

[1:41:31] >> if commissioner douglas has

[1:41:32] the questions then maybe it

[1:41:39] wasn't explained for us to

[1:41:44] understand the money or property

[1:41:45] we're giving towards this.

[1:41:48] you think about busting down the

[1:41:49] numbers.

[1:41:50] when I busted them down if he

[1:41:53] says $200 will be for an hoa.

[1:41:56] okay.

[1:41:58] if you buy a 400,000-dollar

[1:42:01] house your taxes will be about

[1:42:03] four thousand 1000 a year.

[1:42:09] easy.

[1:42:10] now you're buying at 100.

[1:42:13] someone buying may under that.

[1:42:16] four or five thousand.

[1:42:19] then insurance minimum on a

[1:42:20] brand new house 4000.

[1:42:23] so I'm seeing -- we're looking

[1:42:25] at an affordable house in

[1:42:27] sunrise.

[1:42:28] your payment is about 2700 to

[1:42:32] $3000 a month without.

[1:42:40] >> I don't want to give public

[1:42:42] land in a subsidy if they can

[1:42:45] afford to pay that.

[1:42:46] >> that's what I'm saying.

[1:42:48] when I sat on the, what do you

[1:42:50] call it the regional planning

[1:42:51] council for dade county, monroe

[1:42:54] county and broward county I was

[1:42:56] in charge of three different

[1:42:57] counties.

[1:42:58] miami. Has the issues we have to

[1:43:05] give them 20 percent affordable

[1:43:07] housing.

[1:43:19] >> this is confusing to bust it

[1:43:21] out as far as deed restricted.

[1:43:24] he can get more money, people

[1:43:25] can sell.

[1:43:26] people after ten years.

[1:43:28] it seems to be getting more

[1:43:30] confusing as we talking about

[1:43:32] this.

[1:43:33] rather than how simplified it

[1:43:38] is.

[1:43:39] simplified I'm saying there will

[1:43:40] be a dollar amount.

[1:43:41] when someone says a house is

[1:43:43] 100,000 on the east side of

[1:43:46] sunrise.

[1:43:47] you don't have to make as much

[1:43:48] money because you can qualify.

[1:43:50] not with twenty percent down as

[1:43:52] a normal person.

[1:43:53] we will give you a 3% down.

[1:43:58] why is someone buying something

[1:44:19] for 440 there unless it's an

[1:44:22] easy way to qualify unless the

[1:44:26] 3 percent down does help people.

[1:44:28] 3% down does help people at

[1:44:30] 400,000.

[1:44:31] when you have to come up with

[1:44:34] 20,000, $80,000.

[1:44:37] 3 percent down you come up with

[1:44:40] x amount.

[1:44:49] >> I'm not trying to knock

[1:44:52] anything.

[1:44:53] he opened the door and we're

[1:44:56] looking at it not as a two

[1:44:58] hundred thousand dollar condo on

[1:45:00] sunset strip.

[1:45:02] you can buy a home out west here

[1:45:04] for 450,000.

[1:45:06] why do I want to be restricted.

[1:45:09] we are figuring out why that

[1:45:11] person wants to spend 450 there

[1:45:14] and be restricted for ten years

[1:45:15] or someone restricted for 30

[1:45:17] years.

[1:45:20] where is the benefit to me.

[1:45:22] I will pay a 200-dollar hoa.

[1:45:25] out west no hoa.

[1:45:27] if I live in a gated

[1:45:29] community --

[1:45:30] >> what.

[1:45:32] >> you live in a gated

[1:45:34] community.

[1:45:35] I'm saying, mayor ryan, neil has

[1:45:38] an hoa too. Not substantial like

[1:45:42] yours.

[1:45:43] >> one of the things to think

[1:45:44] about, I would say, there is a

[1:45:45] premium for new construction.

[1:45:47] okay.

[1:45:48] there always is.

[1:45:49] you pay more.

[1:45:50] you build the same house 20

[1:45:52] years ago, same square footage

[1:45:54] and build a brand new one today

[1:45:56] you will get a premium for that.

[1:46:05] you are hitting the point we

[1:46:07] have discussed with staff for a

[1:46:09] long time.

[1:46:10] rarely do we do 90% of the homes

[1:46:14] as deed restricted.

[1:46:15] by making 90% deed restricted

[1:46:18] that reduces the price.

[1:46:21] in the preforma the information.

[1:46:23] I want to give you the exact

[1:46:25] numbers.

[1:46:26] I should of brought the lap top

[1:46:27] originally.

[1:46:28] I didn't understand this level

[1:46:30] of specificity.

[1:46:32] we h we projected homes to be

[1:46:35] priced from 358 at the pot only

[1:46:37] end for the ones under a hundred

[1:46:44] percent of the median income.

[1:46:47] one car garage and two car

[1:46:50] garage.

[1:46:51] one car was 1471 square feet it

[1:46:54] had a 3 bedrooms in it.

[1:46:57] the one with the 2 car gar am

[1:47:01] was 1871 with four bedrooms

[1:47:05] okay.

[1:47:06] a hundred percent we projected

[1:47:07] in today's dollars.

[1:47:10] 358 and 372.

[1:47:14] okay.

[1:47:15] 25,000-dollar different.

[1:47:16] for those 100 to 140 percent.

[1:47:20] one car garage 1471 were 375 the

[1:47:26] 140% restricted that were at 4

[1:47:31] bedrooms, two car garage, 1871

[1:47:35] square feet were at 400,000.

[1:47:38] then the market units we

[1:47:39] projected to be 385 for the one

[1:47:42] car garage.

[1:47:44] 1471 square foot unit.

[1:48:04] (lost audio )

[1:49:15] >> I want to sell for or not

[1:49:19] sell or I don't support -- I see

[1:49:22] the anomalies coming.

[1:49:25] you have ten years is not a lot

[1:49:27] of time.

[1:49:29] more than half of the units

[1:49:31] would be at market rate in the

[1:49:33] next ten years.

[1:49:35] look the set that is eleven deed

[1:49:41] restricted for ten years, I

[1:49:43] believe and two, so thirteen.

[1:49:46] almost half.

[1:49:47] within ten years there would be

[1:49:48] a free for all on the market.

[1:49:50] capitalist fro for all.

[1:49:51] then you have another set of

[1:49:53] people here would can only find

[1:49:55] another individual finding.

[1:49:57] how do we enforce that. Maybe

[1:49:59] you can help me too. We would

[1:50:01] seem to be in a position where

[1:50:03] we have play police.

[1:50:06] making sure, I don't know if

[1:50:07] it's on the tkoed, title

[1:50:09] insurance company will say how

[1:50:11] much do you make.

[1:50:12] then you have someone -- you

[1:50:16] remember the liar liar mother

[1:50:18] tkpwapblgdz back in the day.

[1:50:19] how much do I need to make.

[1:50:21] >> let me say something.

[1:50:23] I think this is a really

[1:50:25] interesting point.

[1:50:26] I think commissioner scuotto was

[1:50:28] going towards it initially when

[1:50:30] you do a project like this,

[1:50:32] okay.

[1:50:33] you can talk about how long you

[1:50:34] deed restrict for.

[1:50:36] there are a lot of angles to

[1:50:37] take.

[1:50:38] you know philosophically you can

[1:50:41] come up with different

[1:50:42] approaches.

[1:50:45] here is the key.

[1:50:46] what you're trying to do here,

[1:50:49] you're trying to redevelop a

[1:50:50] neighborhood.

[1:50:51] you're trying to lift a

[1:50:53] neighborhood up.

[1:50:54] one of the ways you can lift a

[1:50:55] neighborhood up.

[1:50:57] say there was no vacant piece of

[1:51:00] property like this.

[1:51:01] you can really inject excitement

[1:51:03] and energy some, you know some

[1:51:06] vision into what the

[1:51:07] neighborhood could become you

[1:51:11] instead.

[1:51:12] there was no vacant pieces of

[1:51:14] land.

[1:51:15] you are relying on one person

[1:51:17] here and one person here.

[1:51:19] one person somewhere else.

[1:51:21] slowly, slowly, slowly overtime

[1:51:23] the whole neighborhood lifts up

[1:51:25] this.

[1:51:26] is different okay.

[1:51:27] you have the chance to put 2

[1:51:29] brand new homes here.

[1:51:30] what that will do is it's going

[1:51:32] to then, yes, that is an

[1:51:35] investment.

[1:51:36] to me, you pick whatever price

[1:51:37] you want to sell it for and see

[1:51:39] if you get someone to buy it at

[1:51:41] the end of the day is to get

[1:51:43] east sunrise moving.

[1:51:46] >> todd: see new construction,

[1:51:47] new investment is possible.

[1:51:50] in this neighborhood.

[1:51:52] you see people fixing up their

[1:51:54] homes all of a sudden.

[1:51:56] it happens time after time after

[1:51:58] time this.

[1:51:59] is not a cra.

[1:52:00] it's not a created redevelopment

[1:52:02] area.

[1:52:03] in essence that's the sprat gee

[1:52:05] you're employing here.

[1:52:06] you're trying to take a

[1:52:08] neighborhood that hasn't grown

[1:52:12] in investment and value as much

[1:52:14] as other neighborhoods in the

[1:52:17] city has.

[1:52:18] you're trying to inject

[1:52:19] investment moot neighborhood to

[1:52:21] make it happen.

[1:52:22] make it happen sooner than it

[1:52:24] otherwise would of if it was

[1:52:26] done in a piece mail basis.

[1:52:29] that's the urban planning theory

[1:52:32] and the redevelopment theory

[1:52:34] behind what you're doing.

[1:52:35] I think it's a sound thaoer.y

[1:52:38] you can get hung up on the sp*s

[1:52:40] specs of the numbers.

[1:52:41] I think the staff and us were

[1:52:43] working towards a solution that,

[1:52:45] that we didn't sell houses for

[1:52:49] six hundred thousand dollars.

[1:52:50] I don't know if I can could sell

[1:52:52] them now.

[1:52:53] some day you could.

[1:52:54] I think, I haven't heard anyone

[1:52:56] say they don't liking our plan

[1:52:57] or concept.

[1:52:59] everyone seems to like it it's

[1:53:00] all about the numbers, about

[1:53:03] what we can sell them for and

[1:53:05] build them for.

[1:53:06] >> you know, sir, I have to be

[1:53:07] honest on the numbers

[1:53:09] unfortunately.

[1:53:10] as much as concepts are great.

[1:53:12] this was printed out on the

[1:53:14] agenda before.

[1:53:15] it's public nothing.

[1:53:16] the offer was four hundred

[1:53:19] grand.

[1:53:20] I got hung up on the numbers.

[1:53:22] the item was pulled.

[1:53:24] now the offer is another hundred

[1:53:26] grand.

[1:53:27] that's a lot of money.

[1:53:28] I'm glad I was on the numbers.

[1:53:33] even if my colleagues approve it

[1:53:35] tonight, I can't.

[1:53:36] I have another hundred grand

[1:53:37] because I expressed my

[1:53:39] discomfort with the numbers and

[1:53:40] the item was pulled.

[1:53:42] forgive me.

[1:53:43] >> no, I'm not asking --

[1:53:49] >> I condition blindly.

[1:53:51] I believe all my colleagues

[1:53:53] support redevelopment.

[1:53:54] we went out there to bat for

[1:53:56] sunrise we development.

[1:53:59] we know whether the money is for

[1:54:02] facade improvement, that has

[1:54:04] happened before or whether we

[1:54:09] buy units.

[1:54:10] we have to put skin in the game.

[1:54:12] the question is whether it's at

[1:54:14] appropriate skin for what is the

[1:54:17] pay back.

[1:54:18] I see here an opportunity, a

[1:54:29] train coming down the road.

[1:54:30] the guy making $75,000 with a

[1:54:34] family of four won't be able to

[1:54:36] buy them.

[1:54:37] we will have to then come back

[1:54:39] and waeufbt conditions we set in

[1:54:41] place.

[1:54:42] I'm afraid that will happen down

[1:54:43] the road.

[1:54:44] >> so I understand where you're

[1:54:46] going as far as what the numbers

[1:54:48] or what you want to see.

[1:54:52] so, yes.

[1:54:53] like you said we agree we have

[1:54:55] to develop this property.

[1:54:57] what goes on the property

[1:54:59] obviously is what they propose.

[1:55:01] how do we get to this point of

[1:55:06] developing property if we're

[1:55:09] still stuck on the three year,

[1:55:11] ten year, thirty year.

[1:55:12] I understand that.

[1:55:13] we have developments in sunrise

[1:55:16] one, two, three, four.

[1:55:17] phase four and three you can't

[1:55:19] rent.

[1:55:20] like you said.

[1:55:21] two you can rent.

[1:55:22] one you can rent is.

[1:55:23] it going to be ten years from

[1:55:24] now when phase three decides,

[1:55:26] you know we need to start

[1:55:28] renting too. I don't know.

[1:55:30] I am not trying to stop a

[1:55:34] development that we have been

[1:55:36] waiting for that we paid for a

[1:55:38] study and we have someone who, I

[1:55:41] am saying we went out to bid.

[1:55:43] we got different people to put

[1:55:46] in what they thought was going

[1:55:47] to be in this site.

[1:55:50] then we have other sites on the

[1:55:52] east side we would love to redo.

[1:55:55] >> I'm not trying to kill this.

[1:55:57] >> no --

[1:56:00] >> the questions.

[1:56:02] >> for me to understand what is

[1:56:05] it that staff has to do or they

[1:56:07] have to do that will make a -- I

[1:56:11] don't care if it's that.

[1:56:13] it has nothing to do with them.

[1:56:14] I don't care who the person is.

[1:56:17] I don't care if you pick artesia

[1:56:19] to say I will blast 18 things

[1:56:22] and do it in a year.

[1:56:23] I don't care, who ever it is I

[1:56:26] want them to do it I just don't

[1:56:28] know if doing these restrictions

[1:56:31] and why he's doing the

[1:56:35] restrictions.

[1:56:36] if we pick him as a developer or

[1:56:38] anyone as a developer and say

[1:56:40] we're building 28 units then

[1:56:43] build 28 units.

[1:56:44] if you want to do affordable you

[1:56:45] have to come up with a formula.

[1:56:48] 70% to 8% of income so someone

[1:56:51] making 70,000 going for a

[1:56:54] regular mortgage may not qualify

[1:56:56] for a 400,000-dollar house.

[1:56:58] I don't know.

[1:56:59] they come up with the formulas

[1:57:01] and restrictions.

[1:57:02] does that help someone.

[1:57:04] >> they can't afford it.

[1:57:08] >> let me get to my thought.

[1:57:10] you picked this way to do this

[1:57:13] with the deed restrictions

[1:57:14] because that is what you have to

[1:57:16] do?

[1:57:17] >> it wasn't our idea.

[1:57:18] that was the staff's idea.

[1:57:22] >> okay.

[1:57:23] >> if you're selling a unit for

[1:57:24] 350,000.

[1:57:25] the max is 420,000 why not just

[1:57:29] build 28 units and first come

[1:57:30] first serve?

[1:57:32] if we did that then the people

[1:57:34] would come to us and say you're

[1:57:36] not doing anything affordable

[1:57:38] for the people on the east side.

[1:57:40] >> the flex units are suppose to

[1:57:42] be affordable.

[1:57:44] >> no, this is what I'm saying.

[1:57:46] this is what I'm saying.

[1:57:48] we're caught, look when I sat on

[1:57:51] the region planning council it

[1:57:55] was the same thing.

[1:57:56] figuring the units, flex units,

[1:58:00] switching.

[1:58:01] parkland was like I don't want

[1:58:02] affordable.

[1:58:03] you can't do that.

[1:58:04] everyone has to have affordable.

[1:58:06] weston and them.

[1:58:08] this is the problem we had back

[1:58:10] then.

[1:58:11] so, I don't know what the median

[1:58:12] is to get to an agreement.

[1:58:14] >> I would like to continue this

[1:58:18] discussion with staff.

[1:58:19] I won't vote on it.

[1:58:22] >> I don't care if we vote.

[1:58:23] where are we going?

[1:58:25] >> we have --

[1:58:29] >> what are we trying to get

[1:58:31] staff and them to do?

[1:58:32] soy understand to make a

[1:58:35] project.

[1:58:36] a project.

[1:58:37] not their project.

[1:58:38] a project.

[1:58:40] >> I won't back myself in a

[1:58:41] corner where I have to flush it

[1:58:46] out here with staff tonight.

[1:58:48] I asked direct questions.

[1:58:50] he answered them.

[1:58:51] the questions that I don't think

[1:58:53] staff is in a position to

[1:58:54] answer.

[1:58:55] he answered them.

[1:58:56] as a result I can't support this

[1:58:58] tonight.

[1:58:59] there are five of us.

[1:59:01] >> let me khoeupl in.

[1:59:02] >> I am just trying to figure

[1:59:05] out what is it, is it deed

[1:59:08] restrictions that is the

[1:59:10] problem?

[1:59:11] that's what I'm trying to find

[1:59:12] out?

[1:59:13] >> I don't think necessarily the

[1:59:14] deed restrictions are the

[1:59:16] problem or not the problem.

[1:59:18] I don't want to weight in on it

[1:59:20] I want to flush it out it could

[1:59:22] be there ought to be a deed

[1:59:24] restriction.

[1:59:25] >> on all of them.

[1:59:26] >> I'm not say that.

[1:59:27] >> I'm saying.

[1:59:28] >> but the compression issue.

[1:59:32] some are winners, some are lose

[1:59:34] s are.

[1:59:35] >> he's saying those that are

[1:59:37] unrestricted he can get more

[1:59:39] money for them.

[1:59:41] why wouldn't he want more money

[1:59:42] and mutt more unrestricted.

[1:59:45] you have to have restricted

[1:59:47] because of the affordable

[1:59:48] housing component?

[1:59:49] >> some it.

[1:59:50] it's complicated.

[1:59:51] that was the agreement we made

[1:59:52] with staff.

[1:59:54] they were concerned that we

[1:59:58] would price it out of the range

[2:00:01] of the neighborhood.

[2:00:03] fyi too.

[2:00:04] you can look on zillow or

[2:00:07] realtor.com.

[2:00:08] the houses in this mediate

[2:00:10] neighborhood are selling in the

[2:00:12] 2s and 3*z now.

[2:00:15] some are cracking over the 3*z.

[2:00:17] prices are going up and they're

[2:00:18] getting to mid 3s for some,

[2:00:20] presumably those fixed up.

[2:00:23] I mean a great thing would

[2:00:25] happen if someone gets priced

[2:00:29] out of this particular

[2:00:30] neighborhood because they didn't

[2:00:32] want to pay the premium for a

[2:00:34] new house think about what

[2:00:36] happens.

[2:00:37] the dynamics of the housing

[2:00:38] market.

[2:00:39] they g they can go to the next

[2:00:40] block, literally and buy a house

[2:00:43] for a hundred thousand dollars

[2:00:44] less.

[2:00:45] they can fix it up.

[2:00:46] that's exactly what you want to

[2:00:48] happen.

[2:00:49] >> I don't know if you have an

[2:00:50] answer to the question.

[2:00:51] I will go back to it.

[2:00:56] how do we enforce, assuming we

[2:00:58] did a deed restriction with a

[2:01:00] differential.

[2:01:01] >> sure.

[2:01:02] >> how do we enforce it ten

[2:01:03] years from now with respect to

[2:01:06] those fourteen locked in for 30

[2:01:09] years.

[2:01:10] ten years from now joe blow

[2:01:12] comes and wants to buy.

[2:01:14] >> oh you're address six, you're

[2:01:18] the 30 year guy.

[2:01:23] who enforces it?

[2:01:24] title?

[2:01:25] the city goes in and says every

[2:01:29] sale taking place we check.

[2:01:31] I don't expect you to baby sit.

[2:01:34] who does the monitoring to make

[2:01:36] sure the guy who hustles on the

[2:01:40] side to make 50,000 more, or

[2:01:43] however he shifts the income.

[2:01:47] okay to get that house you can

[2:01:49] only say you make this amount.

[2:01:51] how do you see that.

[2:01:53] >> fare question, commissioner

[2:01:55] douglas.

[2:01:56] what has happened.

[2:01:57] the town can talk to the city of

[2:02:02] delray and jupiter.

[2:02:05] those are two place wez have

[2:02:06] done this, there maybe one more.

[2:02:08] in delray particularly you have

[2:02:09] the deed restriction on there.

[2:02:11] okay.

[2:02:12] write the deed restriction.

[2:02:14] it basically says there is a

[2:02:16] sign off from the city.

[2:02:19] okay.

[2:02:20] it basically says we meet and in

[2:02:24] compliance --

[2:02:26] >> they do that.

[2:02:27] >> -- it's a simple thing.

[2:02:31] what the city does.

[2:02:33] they're not looking for money

[2:02:34] under the table.

[2:02:35] they're looking at the tax

[2:02:36] return.

[2:02:37] >> if you lie to the federal

[2:02:38] government you know that's

[2:02:41] between you and the federal

[2:02:42] government.

[2:02:43] they have to assume everyone is

[2:02:45] honest.

[2:02:46] you have to show the tax return

[2:02:47] and say this is a eligible

[2:02:49] buyer.

[2:02:50] before you can close the sale,

[2:02:54] the buyer will have a sign off.

[2:02:56] someone has to get the sign off.

[2:02:58] the real estate broker will come

[2:03:00] in and say here is the tax

[2:03:02] return.

[2:03:03] you know john and mary want to

[2:03:06] sell it to, to someone and they

[2:03:17] have to see the tax return.

[2:03:20] >> it's up to you guys to

[2:03:22] control thaplt.

[2:03:23] >> alright.

[2:03:26] [inaudible]

[2:03:27] >> I asked a question, I got the

[2:03:28] answer.

[2:03:29] I'm sure it's useful for my

[2:03:30] colleagues too. Again there are

[2:03:32] questions which I don't want to

[2:03:34] sit here tonight and try to

[2:03:36] flush it out with you.

[2:03:37] I'm sure you are answering my

[2:03:39] questions in good faith.

[2:03:41] we have four appraisals to do.

[2:03:43] I don't know --

[2:03:45] >>

[2:03:49] >> just a second.

[2:03:50] what I hear is that you don't

[2:03:52] want to go forward tonight.

[2:03:54] assistant deputy mayor doesn't

[2:03:59] and the mayor.

[2:04:00] I hear the majority of the

[2:04:02] commission.

[2:04:03] I think someone wants to make a

[2:04:04] motion to table.

[2:04:05] before that I haven't opened

[2:04:07] this up to public comment.

[2:04:08] do I need to do that before a

[2:04:10] motion is made since we have

[2:04:11] done this? I don't --

[2:04:20] >> since you're not voting on it

[2:04:23] you can just motion to table it

[2:04:25] without public hearing.

[2:04:28] next time it comes up it's first

[2:04:30] reading begin and you have

[2:04:31] public comment.

[2:04:32] >> so we are putting it on the

[2:04:34] agenda for the next meeting.

[2:04:36] will everyone have questions

[2:04:38] answered?

[2:04:39] or are we just getting rid of

[2:04:41] the developer and going out to

[2:04:42] bid again?

[2:04:43] I don't understand.

[2:04:44] >> I don't want to be pressed

[2:04:46] into -- it came up the last

[2:04:50] time.

[2:04:51] I have.

[2:04:56] [inaudible]

[2:04:57] I don't want to flush this out

[2:05:02] here.

[2:05:03] I don't know if it will be

[2:05:04] answered the next meeting.

[2:05:05] >> I don't want to bring up next

[2:05:10] meeting and we're not ready to

[2:05:12] vote on it are we going out to

[2:05:14] bid again.

[2:05:15] so, next meeting is enough time.

[2:05:17] >> I don't want to force myself

[2:05:19] into the corner.

[2:05:20] we have the budget.

[2:05:22] I don't know if I will be

[2:05:24] prepared to deal with.

[2:05:25] procedurally however the

[2:05:28] commission, what is the will of

[2:05:30] the commission.

[2:05:31] I don't I won't move to table it

[2:05:34] so it comes next meeting.

[2:05:37] >> you want it put off

[2:05:39] indefinitely?

[2:05:40] >> that's not what I want.

[2:05:42] >> I will motion to table this.

[2:05:44] >> I want to recognize mayor

[2:05:46] ryan.

[2:05:47] >> thank you, deputy mayor.

[2:05:50] I want to be cleared.

[2:05:52] I think the questions raised are

[2:05:54] relevant.

[2:05:55] the balance of deed

[2:05:57] restrictions.

[2:05:58] I want to give staff credit

[2:05:59] here.

[2:06:00] they have been incredibly

[2:06:01] aggressive in trying to maintain

[2:06:03] affordable housing.

[2:06:06] commissioner scuotto, this is a

[2:06:15] great opportunity.

[2:06:17] I recognize as commissioner

[2:06:20] scuotto said and support what he

[2:06:23] said, at some level yes we are

[2:06:26] likely, if it turns out to the

[2:06:29] move of the commission we will

[2:06:31] sell the property less than the

[2:06:34] appraised value.

[2:06:36] we're trying to prime the pump.

[2:06:38] that's the issue.

[2:06:40] the city is stepping in where

[2:06:42] the private market hasn't yet

[2:06:46] been able to recognize.

[2:06:50] we're hopeful if there is an

[2:06:52] investment by city it will

[2:06:54] generate benefits.

[2:06:56] as pointed out it may well

[2:06:58] create opportunities and

[2:07:00] neighborhood surrounding the

[2:07:02] area.

[2:07:03] I did want to move forward at

[2:07:06] some level.

[2:07:07] I extend the courtesy.

[2:07:09] think the questions raised and

[2:07:11] accept commissioner douglas has

[2:07:13] many other questions he doesn't

[2:07:15] want to flush out tonight.

[2:07:17] I know he will, I'm confident he

[2:07:19] will do that with great vigor

[2:07:23] with straf and otherwise.

[2:07:26] a better product for all of sus

[2:07:29] a result of the continued

[2:07:30] effort.

[2:07:31] I want to move forward.

[2:07:32] I think it's fair to the

[2:07:34] developer.

[2:07:35] I think it's fair to staff we

[2:07:36] try to create a time line.

[2:07:38] the next meet is noting until

[2:07:39] the middle of september.

[2:07:41] I recognize we have budget and

[2:07:43] other things.

[2:07:44] we are good at walking and

[2:07:45] chewing gum.

[2:07:46] I'm not trying to be trite or

[2:07:48] short on it would I support

[2:07:50] commissioner scuotto's motion to

[2:07:54] table and second for the next

[2:07:55] meeting.

[2:07:56] as we have always done and we

[2:07:58] have been mindful of our

[2:07:59] colleagues much like I started

[2:08:01] my comments it beginning.

[2:08:04] I'm prepared to move forward on

[2:08:08] a first reading and prepared to

[2:08:11] vote on a first reading

[2:08:13] understanding more needs to be

[2:08:14] done.

[2:08:15] I wouldn't want to press that as

[2:08:16] a courtesy to colleagues.

[2:08:19] I would like to table this for

[2:08:20] the next meeting.

[2:08:22] >> I agree.

[2:08:23] >> I make a motion.

[2:08:24] you want to speak, neil.

[2:08:26] >> no, I will save it for later.

[2:08:28] I agree with the motion.

[2:08:31] >> motion to table it for the

[2:08:33] next meeting.

[2:08:34] >> second.

[2:08:35] >> could we clarify

[2:08:36] september 14th.

[2:08:37] because the september 13th

[2:08:39] meeting is just budget items.

[2:08:42] >> okay september 14th.

[2:08:43] >> 5:00 o'clock.

[2:08:45] >> at 5:00 o'clock.

[2:08:46] >> a motion by commissioner

[2:08:48] scuotto to table.

[2:08:50] a second by commissioner

[2:08:52] douglas.

[2:08:53] is that correct.

[2:08:54] >> I second.

[2:08:55] >> all in favor.

[2:08:56] >> I.

[2:08:57] >> opposed.

[2:08:59] anyone opposed ? 5-0 on the

[2:09:02] motion to table.

[2:09:03] >> thank you.

[2:09:16] >> if I have questions over the

[2:09:18] past month, staff k I contact

[2:09:20] him?

[2:09:21] >> that's fine.

[2:09:22] >> okay.

[2:09:23] >> I am happy to meet with any

[2:09:24] of you individually.

[2:09:26] if you want to look at the

[2:09:27] proforma or numbers I'm happy.

[2:09:31] any of the five commissioners.

[2:09:32] >> appreciate the offer.

[2:09:34] >> thank you.

[2:09:35] >> deputy mayor f I may, I

[2:09:38] forgot your last name, I want to

[2:09:40] thank you.

[2:09:41] you answered all of the

[2:09:42] questions.

[2:09:43] you acknowledged the merits, I

[2:09:45] have enjoyed this presentation.

[2:09:47] I look forward to see you in

[2:09:49] september.

[2:09:50] >> thank you, mr. Hernandez.

[2:10:05] >> let's go to old business 16a.

[2:10:12] a resolution of the city of

[2:10:14] sunrise, florida, a pro*fp

[2:10:16] proving project agreement

[2:10:18] between the city of sunrise and

[2:10:20] hazen and schwaer pc, for

[2:10:24] project agreement --

[2:10:26] >> move it.

[2:10:27] >> motion by commissioner

[2:10:28] scuotto.

[2:10:30] >> second.

[2:10:31] >> second by assistant deputy

[2:10:33] mayor.

[2:10:34] any public hearing?

[2:10:39] >> any comment by my colleagues.

[2:10:44] I think, sorry.

[2:10:46] my contacts are in today having

[2:10:50] a hard time.

[2:10:51] mr. Lubelski has a intro for the

[2:10:58] matter.

[2:10:59] >> thank you.

[2:11:00] there was discussion regarding

[2:11:01] potential acquisition.

[2:11:06] at that point staff provided a

[2:11:08] detailed schedule and cost

[2:11:11] estimate prior to proceeding

[2:11:14] with a consultant agreement.

[2:11:18] in july I provided a schedule.

[2:11:21] the schedule was prepared by

[2:11:25] city staff, outside council.

[2:11:27] the acquisition schedule and s.

[2:11:30] two faces.

[2:11:32] upon approval of the agreements

[2:11:34] phase one will take

[2:11:35] approximately eight months and

[2:11:36] consist of in depth

[2:11:38] consolidation study and rate

[2:11:40] study.

[2:11:41] upon completion of phase one we

[2:11:44] will develop acquisition

[2:11:47] options, commence negotiations

[2:11:50] if appropriate.

[2:11:51] phase one requires significant

[2:11:54] investment for feasibility of

[2:11:56] acquisition.

[2:11:58] y val aations and rate study are

[2:12:00] needed to determine if it's

[2:12:02] feats I believe for either

[2:12:04] party.

[2:12:05] it's critical that he we are

[2:12:06] form the adequate due diligent

[2:12:09] to determine the appraised

[2:12:10] value, lifecycle and costs to

[2:12:14] repair, replace is sustain

[2:12:16] assets.

[2:12:17] further more toy value and apply

[2:12:21] synergies to be project the

[2:12:24] through the con sol stkaeugs of

[2:12:26] city of sunrise and town.

[2:12:31] if the phase one analysis

[2:12:33] determines this is not feasible

[2:12:34] a phase one optimal

[2:12:36] administration, optional

[2:12:38] administration and operational

[2:12:40] analysis will be brought back

[2:12:46] for consideration.

[2:12:47] this will include a examination

[2:12:49] of staff and resources, work

[2:12:51] loads to observe relative

[2:12:53] impacts, advantages and critical

[2:12:56] concerns.

[2:12:57] as stated earlier we will

[2:12:59] develop acquisition options and

[2:13:02] request formal authorizations

[2:13:04] and commence if appropriate.

[2:13:07] this requires a significant

[2:13:09] investment.

[2:13:10] the item before you tonight is

[2:13:12] the project agreement for the

[2:13:13] consulting services with a water

[2:13:18] and waste water design for

[2:13:20] technical due diligent steps for

[2:13:23] phase one.

[2:13:24] -- completed the master plan

[2:13:26] update and has significant

[2:13:28] amount of knowledge of the

[2:13:31] utility system.

[2:13:32] a separate agreement will be

[2:13:34] repraeurd with the utility

[2:13:36] financial consistent and

[2:13:38] submitted as a separate item in

[2:13:42] a future city meeting -- in

[2:13:46] support of a transaction.

[2:13:48] I'm available to answer

[2:13:50] questions regarding this item.

[2:13:52] >> thank you.

[2:13:53] discussion among colleagues.

[2:13:54] >> yes.

[2:13:55] >> commissioner scuotto.

[2:13:58] >> I want to say this is

[2:14:00] probably one of the biggest

[2:14:01] purchase that's this city has

[2:14:03] ever made.

[2:14:04] a water and waste water system.

[2:14:13] it's not like you're buying just

[2:14:14] a car and you get to drive it.

[2:14:17] this is a system we're buying

[2:14:20] and maintaining it for the rest

[2:14:21] of our lives.

[2:14:25] seems like the city of davie

[2:14:28] months ago already had their

[2:14:31] mootings with their mayor and

[2:14:33] five missioners all filled out a

[2:14:37] card whether they want to

[2:14:40] rebuild their systems, how many

[2:14:43] years it would take to build the

[2:14:45] system or just go ahead and let

[2:14:47] sunrise take over the system.

[2:14:50] in that reading it was 5-0.

[2:14:54] 5-0.

[2:14:56] let sunrise take over the

[2:14:57] system.

[2:14:58] so now davie is doing a study

[2:15:02] like we are.

[2:15:05] their study is totally

[2:15:06] different.

[2:15:07] their study is how much is our

[2:15:11] stuff worth.

[2:15:13] literally nothing.

[2:15:14] I'm sorry.

[2:15:15] that's the whole study.

[2:15:17] how much can we get from

[2:15:19] sunrise.

[2:15:20] our study is the total opposite.

[2:15:23] we have to go through the whole

[2:15:25] system and figure out how much

[2:15:28] it will cost.

[2:15:29] obviously davie didn't do it.

[2:15:32] because they figured how much it

[2:15:34] will cost to redo the entire

[2:15:36] system - the cost of fixing the

[2:15:56] infrastructure if it's

[2:15:57] deteriorated or not.

[2:15:59] so, I mean it's just -- the

[2:16:05] first time being up here to

[2:16:07] negotiate something like this

[2:16:13] where you're buying something

[2:16:14] from another city.

[2:16:15] agreeing they don't want it

[2:16:29] anymore.

[2:16:30] whether it's bad planning, bad

[2:16:32] rebuilding, rehabbing.

[2:16:34] so, I jut want to make sure that

[2:16:37] you know hayes and swayer doing

[2:16:43] the study for us.

[2:16:44] they know our system.

[2:16:46] I want to make sure this is the

[2:16:48] money that we're paying

[2:16:50] substantial amount of money to

[2:16:52] do this study that it's the

[2:16:54] study of a lifetime that we want

[2:16:56] to make sure we get all and most

[2:16:59] and correct information because

[2:17:05] buying a system like this.

[2:17:06] we know when we approve water

[2:17:08] and waste water projects in our

[2:17:12] own city it's not like a

[2:17:14] 50,000-dollar project.

[2:17:16] it's continue million, eight

[2:17:18] million, seven million.

[2:17:20] we have 10% of davy right now.

[2:17:23] right now we provide 10%.

[2:17:31] we would bye the 40% left.

[2:17:33] I want to make sure when you buy

[2:17:35] something first dibs usually you

[2:17:39] buy the first 60 because it was

[2:17:42] good.

[2:17:43] I want to make sure we're

[2:17:44] spending the money the right

[2:17:46] way.

[2:17:47] I don't want to buy 40% of

[2:17:48] something something on going.

[2:17:56] yes we have to pit money in, yes

[2:17:59] we have to tie it into our

[2:18:00] system.

[2:18:01] maybe there are ways to shut

[2:18:03] down part of our system.

[2:18:05] our system can handle it.

[2:18:07] I'm just saying to hays and

[2:18:12] swayer do not put us in a bad

[2:18:16] situation.

[2:18:25] >> we have faith in hayes and

[2:18:33] swayer I have to put my faith in

[2:18:36] mr. Welch, rodrigo and the rest.

[2:18:44] someone in the audience out

[2:18:45] there working on the things day

[2:18:47] to day please everybody be

[2:18:51] watching for this.

[2:18:53] this is something major that

[2:18:55] we're going to take over.

[2:18:57] I definitely do not want

[2:19:01] something in the tens of

[2:19:02] millions of dollars to bite us

[2:19:05] later on.

[2:19:06] I wanted to put that out there.

[2:19:08] thank you.

[2:19:09] >> commissioner douglas.

[2:19:10] >> obviously I share my

[2:19:14] colleagues concerns and have

[2:19:19] discuss it did with the city

[2:19:21] manager.

[2:19:22] I imagine our consultants

[2:19:24] without being told would shoot

[2:19:28] straight with us.

[2:19:29] I want to say it would be a

[2:19:30] concern for all of us.

[2:19:32] sunrise is a major regional

[2:19:37] water utility because some

[2:19:40] people who have sat here before

[2:19:42] us made bold decisions about I

[2:19:51] object vesting in a utility

[2:19:53] system.

[2:19:54] some don't have their on water.

[2:19:55] westop and others buying from

[2:19:57] us.

[2:19:58] we have enough for our sells and

[2:19:59] we sell to others.

[2:20:01] that was a bold move.

[2:20:07] we have a perming of funding.

[2:20:11] operating budget each year.

[2:20:14] which obviously if you have

[2:20:15] fixed costs and fixed or certain

[2:20:24] revenues coming in, a enterprise

[2:20:28] system.

[2:20:29] it reduced the need to tax

[2:20:32] residents more to get the amount

[2:20:34] of dollars you need to run the

[2:20:36] budget.

[2:20:37] so, I certainly would want to be

[2:20:40] on the bold side in pursuing

[2:20:42] this.

[2:20:43] obviously I wouldn't move

[2:20:44] forward if the numbers don't

[2:20:48] make sense.

[2:20:49] I want the numbers to come back

[2:20:52] in a way that even the babys can

[2:20:55] see it makes as soon as.

[2:20:58] it ought not to be something

[2:20:59] that we need to be technical,

[2:21:05] have technical skills to figure

[2:21:08] it out.

[2:21:09] he who pays the piper plays the

[2:21:13] tune.

[2:21:14] I do know there are opportunity

[2:21:16] costs associated with taking one

[2:21:18] decision versus another.

[2:21:21] I expect that economies of scale

[2:21:24] may of played a roll in how

[2:21:27] davie made a decision.

[2:21:29] if you have something as

[2:21:34] significant as a water utility,

[2:21:37] significant infrastructure

[2:21:39] required without the

[2:21:41] opportunities to grow it doesn't

[2:21:42] make s-ps to make the further

[2:21:44] invest hadn't.

[2:21:46] I presume given we have the

[2:21:48] scale already that we could

[2:21:50] achieve some economies of that

[2:21:53] scale.

[2:21:54] if we were to buy them.

[2:21:56] where we co-op rate at a lower

[2:21:59] cost and they could based on

[2:22:00] tieing what we already have.

[2:22:02] of course there is the unlocking

[2:22:12] of selling for x.

[2:22:13] a lot of value to unlock if do

[2:22:15] you it the right way.

[2:22:16] I'm quite prepared to ex lore

[2:22:19] this and hopefully beyond the

[2:22:23] right side of history when

[2:22:25] someone talks about whether it

[2:22:28] was the right thing to do to

[2:22:31] prefer sue this opportunity.

[2:22:32] so, I am prepared to support at

[2:22:36] least this initial phase.

[2:22:39] >> assistant deputy mayor.

[2:22:43] >> yes, thank you.

[2:22:46] I'm conflicted on this.

[2:22:48] a gree with you both.

[2:22:50] think it's a good opportunity.

[2:22:52] I feel it's a lot of money for

[2:22:54] phase one.

[2:22:55] we don't know what phase two

[2:22:56] looks like if we move forward.

[2:22:59] also feel like we have our own

[2:23:02] inhouse things that are needd in

[2:23:04] that department.

[2:23:05] where I feel we need to take

[2:23:07] care of our own people first

[2:23:09] before we fix outside.

[2:23:10] I know that there are a number

[2:23:12] of things that need to be

[2:23:14] upgraded or things expected or

[2:23:17] we need to get in our own city.

[2:23:19] I feel like before we invest on

[2:23:22] all, if we should be able to

[2:23:24] look at ours first.

[2:23:25] >> if that makes sense to you.

[2:23:27] so, that's where I feel on that

[2:23:30] particular situation.

[2:23:32] do you have an idea what phase

[2:23:34] two looks like.

[2:23:35] or is that out of the question

[2:23:38] right now?

[2:23:39] >> the phase two costs, we have

[2:23:42] not identified the phase two

[2:23:44] costs on it I believe that the

[2:23:48] consulting engineering component

[2:23:51] the majority is phase one moving

[2:23:54] forward.

[2:23:55] I don't expect there to be a

[2:23:57] significant cost from the

[2:23:58] consulting engineer.

[2:24:01] there be other cots in phase two

[2:24:03] if we move forward with

[2:24:04] acquisition.

[2:24:05] that is consultants, financial

[2:24:09] and bond consultants.

[2:24:11] there will be probably limited

[2:24:13] amounts from hayes and swayer

[2:24:20] phase two.

[2:24:21] a large part of the heavy

[2:24:24] lifting is phase one analysis of

[2:24:26] this.

[2:24:27] we need to do that true analysis

[2:24:29] to make educated recommendations

[2:24:32] to the commission whether to

[2:24:33] proceed regarding assistant

[2:24:42] deputy mayor's concern we

[2:24:44] completed the master plan.

[2:24:45] there is work to do with the

[2:24:47] master plan.

[2:24:48] however the work is not ind

[2:24:49] noted of this.

[2:24:50] we will implement the master

[2:24:52] plan requirements along with

[2:24:53] this phase one analysis.

[2:24:57] we're confident we can do that.

[2:25:00] we realize we have a lot of work

[2:25:02] to do.

[2:25:03] if the commission moves forward

[2:25:04] we're capable of handling it.

[2:25:06] >> mayor ryan.

[2:25:07] >> thank you.

[2:25:08] first of all I congratulate my

[2:25:11] colleagues on the effort and the

[2:25:15] vision as stated in multiple

[2:25:18] meetings including this one as

[2:25:20] well as what, this faces as

[2:25:24] commissioner douglas says is a

[2:25:27] bold decision this.

[2:25:28] is an opportunity worth eve

[2:25:30] investment.

[2:25:32] I am concerns based on the

[2:25:35] assistant deputy mayor's points

[2:25:38] raised are you telling us that

[2:25:40] the investment in this analysis

[2:25:43] is not going to compromise

[2:25:46] operations or investment in

[2:25:48] operations or some how we're not

[2:25:50] taken care of at home while we

[2:25:53] divert funds to the analysis.

[2:25:55] I want to be clear.

[2:25:57] that's a serious concern.

[2:25:58] >> excellent point brought up by

[2:26:01] you and assistant deputy mayor.

[2:26:03] we're confident we can deliver

[2:26:05] the master plan and requirements

[2:26:07] of the master plan and lofty

[2:26:09] goals of the master plan even

[2:26:11] moving forward with the analysis

[2:26:14] with the acquisition.

[2:26:16] >> I'm supportive, no further

[2:26:19] comments.

[2:26:20] >> I'm also supportive.

[2:26:21] we need to have this information

[2:26:23] to make informed decisions going

[2:26:25] forward on this acquisition.

[2:26:27] we need to know the value of the

[2:26:29] condition.

[2:26:32] I think it's, if it comes out

[2:26:35] right we will look like rock

[2:26:37] stars.

[2:26:38] I'm hoping it comes out right.

[2:26:41] any further comments from

[2:26:43] colleagues?

[2:26:44] call the question.

[2:26:45] >> commissioner douglas.

[2:26:46] >> yes.

[2:26:47] >> assistant deputy mayor.

[2:26:49] >> yes,.

[2:26:50] >> deputy mayor.

[2:26:51] >> yes,.

[2:26:52] >> commissioner scuotto.

[2:26:55] >> yes.

[2:26:56] >> mayor ryan.

[2:26:57] >> yes.

[2:26:58] >> item passes 5-0.

[2:27:05] >> new business.

[2:27:06] 17a.

[2:27:09] license plate readers.

[2:27:10] commission discussion and or

[2:27:11] action regarding automated

[2:27:15] license plate readers.

[2:27:17] commissioner joseph a.scuotto.

[2:27:21] >> thank you, commissioner.

[2:27:22] each of us I guess a couple of

[2:27:25] weeks ago each met with the saw

[2:27:28] grass mills mall.

[2:27:30] I think we each met individually

[2:27:33] regarding what they were talking

[2:27:35] about, what the county wanted to

[2:27:40] do at saw grass with the trans

[2:27:42] or station hub and whatever

[2:27:43] else.

[2:27:44] so at that meeting I just

[2:27:47] happened to be chatting with

[2:27:49] them afterwards.

[2:27:50] started to talk about you know

[2:27:53] security at the mall and

[2:27:54] different things like that about

[2:27:56] the mall.

[2:27:59] I asked them about the license

[2:28:00] plate readers.

[2:28:01] I said how many security

[2:28:03] vehicles do you have out at the

[2:28:06] mall.

[2:28:07] I think they said six or eight

[2:28:09] security vehicles.

[2:28:10] that two of the security

[2:28:12] vehicles had license plate

[2:28:14] readers on them.

[2:28:17] soy just started to talk to them

[2:28:19] in general about if they were

[2:28:21] interested in you know like if

[2:28:25] the city wanted to expand that.

[2:28:28] would they be interested in I

[2:28:30] know putting more on the

[2:28:32] vehicles.

[2:28:33] you know like that.

[2:28:35] a random conversation with them.

[2:28:37] I get a lost cops that come into

[2:28:41] my restaurant.

[2:28:43] this was probably I want to say

[2:28:47] maybe eight months maybe more

[2:28:49] than that, ago.

[2:28:50] they were telling me they just

[2:28:52] met with, met with, they were

[2:28:54] meeting with someone about

[2:28:56] putting more readers in the

[2:28:59] city.

[2:29:01] so, I was just listening to what

[2:29:06] they had to say.

[2:29:07] how they say it's helped them

[2:29:09] solve crimes and different

[2:29:10] things like that. I just started

[2:29:11] to ask the chief and get

[2:29:13] information about the license

[2:29:16] plate reader.

[2:29:18] I started to say have we, you

[2:29:20] know, we have some in the city.

[2:29:23] I said if something has happened

[2:29:25] in the city have we used lauder

[2:29:27] hill readers.

[2:29:28] their answer was yes.

[2:29:32] the county has installed them at

[2:29:35] m. Park because of the gun

[2:29:37] range.

[2:29:38] one way in, one way out.

[2:29:39] there are readers in this park

[2:29:47] in sunrise.

[2:29:48] I asked how is there a way we

[2:29:50] would be able to figure out if

[2:29:52] the mayor or commission.

[2:29:53] if I brought this up.

[2:29:55] if we want to expand on this.

[2:29:56] so there are different linings

[2:30:03] like that. People have asked for

[2:30:08] money, asked how to fund it I

[2:30:13] just wanted to bring this up.

[2:30:17] ft. Lauderdale has whatever.

[2:30:28] lauder hill has over 200.

[2:30:30] I don't know the number we have,

[2:30:32] but to me as a outsider, to help

[2:30:37] the police to solve I just think

[2:30:41] these are very I straouplt al.

[2:30:44] that is my personal opinion.

[2:30:47] would I bring the chief up if he

[2:30:49] has -- I just want to ask him a

[2:30:52] few questions regarding it.

[2:30:53] >> chief rosa, come on up.

[2:30:58] >> we have the red light

[2:30:59] cameras.

[2:31:00] I know red light cameras are

[2:31:02] touchy for a lot of people.

[2:31:04] even previous commissioners

[2:31:06] before us.

[2:31:07] I was trying to see how we could

[2:31:10] afix these tag readers to things

[2:31:13] that we don't have to pay for

[2:31:17] costs when we already have.

[2:31:20] so I'm trying to see.

[2:31:21] I would have to talk to lubelski

[2:31:28] to see if there are other things

[2:31:30] we can mount the readers to, to

[2:31:35] expand it.

[2:31:37] chief, you no I brought this up.

[2:31:39] I just, for the information,

[2:31:42] this is no back up -- chief,

[2:32:15] what wills can we do stpheplts a

[2:32:17] couple of questions there.

[2:32:19] I will start with what we

[2:32:20] can'tly own or have ago assess

[2:32:22] too.

[2:32:23] the city owns eight cameras.

[2:32:25] they're in zit configurations.

[2:32:28] you mentioned the mall vehicles.

[2:32:30] the city ons that camera.

[2:32:34] they a sit us with hits moat

[2:32:36] buying us when they get hits.

[2:32:39] we also have four that are on

[2:32:42] camera trailers.

[2:32:43] portable trailers that we have.

[2:32:46] we have two on speed trailers.

[2:32:49] one fixed at thent raps at the

[2:32:51] pd reporting traffic by there.

[2:32:54] as far as the other ones within

[2:32:56] the city so the mall has a

[2:33:02] camera, that is mobile in the

[2:33:03] mall parking lot.

[2:33:04] this are two fixed cameras that

[2:33:07] we have access to the data from

[2:33:09] in the orange garage at the

[2:33:11] mall.

[2:33:12] then there is three cameras at

[2:33:17] thent raps and exits capturing

[2:33:20] the in and out traffic of the m.

[2:33:24] park.

[2:33:25] what we have now is a little

[2:33:27] disjointed with varying levels

[2:33:31] of access alerts and

[2:33:34] accessibility to the cameras.

[2:33:36] as far as where the cameras,

[2:33:38] where we could add cameras.

[2:33:40] there is a lot of different

[2:33:41] option s available to us.

[2:33:45] everything from using our light

[2:33:48] poles, red light camera program

[2:33:51] or identifying other poles

[2:33:52] available in the city.

[2:33:54] I don't know where those are or

[2:33:56] what they are.

[2:33:57] we may have to do research and

[2:33:59] study based on what we want to

[2:34:01] do.

[2:34:02] >> what about the cost?

[2:34:14] >> it varies greatly.

[2:34:19] we have to identify a funding

[2:34:22] source or in a different

[2:34:24] scenario there could be findings

[2:34:25] available through revenues city

[2:34:29] is getting to the red light

[2:34:30] cameras.

[2:34:31] there is a cost to everything.

[2:34:33] >> what is the cost for the

[2:34:35] reader.

[2:34:36] >> I can't answer the question.

[2:34:39] >> how much is one on a car?

[2:35:00] >> the cost is different for the

[2:35:02] hardware and the service you

[2:35:03] want.

[2:35:04] it's variable.

[2:35:06] >> the usefulness of the

[2:35:07] readers.

[2:35:08] are they useful to you.

[2:35:09] >> very useful.

[2:35:11] we -- parts of our investigative

[2:35:17] process, you mention -- they

[2:35:20] have the most robust programs,

[2:35:28] lou derhill we initiate cases.

[2:35:34] we use their system.

[2:35:36] it's very valuable.

[2:35:38] >> okay.

[2:35:42] >> I just want to bring it up.

[2:35:44] if this is something -- I would

[2:35:47] like to know what the costs are

[2:35:51] to see how we could, if it's the

[2:35:53] will of the commission to

[2:35:55] implement and get more.

[2:35:57] to do it as a phase in.

[2:35:58] years ago saw grass mill mall

[2:36:27] was the number one stolen car

[2:36:31] lot.

[2:36:32] that's what we were known for

[2:36:34] when it opened.

[2:36:35] to me I just, knowing what from

[2:36:38] the cops tell me from lauder

[2:36:42] hill.

[2:36:43] ft. Lauderdale tell me how much

[2:36:46] it helps them, knowing we use

[2:37:01] their equipment.

[2:37:02] to protect people.

[2:37:03] you have phase one, two, three,

[2:37:05] four.

[2:37:06] the main artery in and out of

[2:37:09] those.

[2:37:10] you either have to get out on

[2:37:12] university, nob hill, pine

[2:37:15] island, 115th, or open park

[2:37:19] and 70th or whatever you call

[2:37:22] that street.

[2:37:23] you put six right there you can

[2:37:24] protect whatever ten, fifteen

[2:37:26] thousand people as far as having

[2:37:30] a reading to cover that amount

[2:37:33] of people.

[2:37:35] then again that's where we get a

[2:37:38] lot of people who prey on

[2:37:41] elderly.

[2:37:42] maybe some of those cars,

[2:37:44] they're using as stolen that

[2:37:47] prey on whatever they're robbing

[2:37:50] the cars or whatever.

[2:37:54] not saying we have high rates of

[2:37:56] crime.

[2:37:57] you don't need multiple

[2:37:58] crimes -- one incident we had

[2:38:01] this week went a shooting.

[2:38:03] if he with had a camera

[2:38:05] somewhere afixed.

[2:38:06] a shopping center that partners

[2:38:08] with us where every car has.

[2:38:15] you get on the saw grass you

[2:38:16] have the easy pass.

[2:38:18] we have the sen pass here.

[2:38:20] everywhere you drive it's

[2:38:22] flicking to charge you by the

[2:38:27] mate.

[2:38:28] I can't see why this can't help

[2:38:32] us solve --

[2:38:33] >> commissioner scuotto.

[2:38:36] >> yes.

[2:38:37] >> can I interrupt for a second.

[2:38:39] >> yes.

[2:38:43] >> I completely support the

[2:38:45] effort here.

[2:38:46] would you be willing.

[2:38:47] I would support a motion if

[2:38:48] that's what you're I tended to

[2:38:50] do to direct to the police

[2:38:52] department to look at increasing

[2:38:54] in either phased capacity or

[2:38:56] otherwise particularly the

[2:38:58] budget hearing upcoming the best

[2:39:00] use of this.

[2:39:01] I believe it's a powerful law

[2:39:03] enforcement tool in the city and

[2:39:05] cooperation with others through

[2:39:06] the points you have raised.

[2:39:08] perhaps we can find out if

[2:39:10] others agree and the police

[2:39:11] department can move forward.

[2:39:12] we're not telling them where to

[2:39:14] put it we can offer suggestions

[2:39:16] but this is a great opportunity.

[2:39:18] I appreciate you bringing this

[2:39:20] forward.

[2:39:25] >>

[2:39:27] [inaudible]

[2:39:28] >> this is where I'm going with

[2:39:29] this.

[2:39:30] the police chief was not able to

[2:39:31] answer many of the details.

[2:39:33] I suggest the police chief meets

[2:39:49] with us individually and bring

[2:39:50] it back.

[2:39:51] I don't want to make a motion

[2:39:53] and tkregt, go into town

[2:39:56] without --

[2:39:57] >> I didn't put it out there.

[2:39:59] >> I'm not talking I'm

[2:40:01] responding to the mayor to

[2:40:03] direct him to move forward.

[2:40:05] >> let me clarify, point of

[2:40:08] order.

[2:40:09] I didn't suggest move forward.

[2:40:10] move forward for a study to the

[2:40:12] commission.

[2:40:13] that's all I suggested so we all

[2:40:15] have it I don't disagree with

[2:40:17] what you're saying.

[2:40:18] I didn't suggest to go to town.

[2:40:20] >> point of order.

[2:40:22] you want to rule point of order,

[2:40:24] mayor.

[2:40:27] I don't know -- I'm just saying

[2:40:31] I thinks it r. It's useful that

[2:40:34] we all be briefed.

[2:40:36] you have mentioned that there

[2:40:37] are many ways this could be

[2:40:39] done.

[2:40:40] so come to us with framework

[2:40:42] that you think is the most

[2:40:43] effective.

[2:40:44] meet with each of us.

[2:40:46] then --

[2:40:49] >> hear what everyone had to

[2:40:51] say.

[2:40:52] I didn't put action item.

[2:40:53] I wanted to bring up.

[2:40:55] it happened to be.

[2:40:56] I met with the people from saw

[2:40:59] grass mills mall.

[2:41:00] I asked about the guy on the

[2:41:01] roof.

[2:41:02] I said, did he get driven there

[2:41:07] or walk there.

[2:41:08] then it lead into the reader.

[2:41:09] >> I commend you bringing it

[2:41:11] forward.

[2:41:12] I don't think we have enough --

[2:41:14] >> that's what I said.

[2:41:15] >> gentlemen, let me give

[2:41:17] commissioner g. A chance to

[2:41:20] speak.

[2:41:21] >> soy just briefly looked at

[2:41:22] the rates.

[2:41:24] 15,000 to 30,000.

[2:41:26] I don't know if that's accurate.

[2:41:28] I'm supportive of it I do want

[2:41:30] to know if there is a way to

[2:41:32] find out.

[2:41:34] -- I imagine they should know

[2:41:36] the background.

[2:41:38] the pricing, the company to use.

[2:41:41] if we could find out that

[2:41:43] information.

[2:41:44] I would be happy to meet with

[2:41:46] you to discuss more.

[2:41:47] >> yes, ma'am.

[2:41:48] >> I also would like to have

[2:41:50] more information.

[2:41:51] we're not moving on this

[2:41:52] tonight.

[2:41:53] meet with us.

[2:41:54] provide us a plan.

[2:41:55] let us know the cost.

[2:41:56] I think the justification is

[2:41:58] there.

[2:41:59] I think we lack -- chief I think

[2:42:03] you understand the consensus

[2:42:06] where we want to go with the

[2:42:07] item.

[2:42:08] >> I will put a plan together

[2:42:10] with order and plan for

[2:42:14] implementation.

[2:42:16] >> by the way it's going

[2:42:19] obviously your determination how

[2:42:22] do you this.

[2:42:23] in terms of red light cameras I

[2:42:30] would rather not.

[2:42:31] I don't want to their to balloon

[2:42:35] and be married to the red light

[2:42:37] camera program.

[2:42:38] if this commission or future

[2:42:39] commission decides the red light

[2:42:42] camera program is no longer

[2:42:44] right for the committee I don't

[2:42:45] want us to say oh, our license

[2:42:49] plate readers are tied to it and

[2:42:52] can't terminate it I would

[2:42:54] rather they stand alone.

[2:42:55] >> we utilize the infrastructure

[2:42:59] of the poll for the power.

[2:43:01] >> that's what I want to know.

[2:43:03] how much does it cost to put on

[2:43:06] a car, a poll, a building.

[2:43:08] >> he will meet with us to

[2:43:09] provide the information to us.

[2:43:11] >> thank you, chief.

[2:43:12] >> thank you.

[2:43:13] >> 17b.

[2:43:14] ordinance creating residency

[2:43:16] requirements for charter

[2:43:19] officers.

[2:43:20] commission discussion and or

[2:43:21] action regarding first reading

[2:43:23] of an ordinance of the city of

[2:43:26] sup rice, florida, amending

[2:43:29] chapter 2, administration,

[2:43:32] article four officers and moe

[2:43:35] he's division one generally --

[2:43:38] commissioner douglas to you

[2:43:39] first.

[2:43:40] >> so I have always had my eyes

[2:43:48] out for various way that's we

[2:43:50] could improve our governance and

[2:43:52] strengthen our structure.

[2:43:55] coming off of the making the

[2:43:59] fire chief a charter officer I

[2:44:01] recall -- little offing here by

[2:44:07] default more so than a

[2:44:10] requirement.

[2:44:11] I'm happy to live here.

[2:44:12] there was nothing requiring them

[2:44:14] to do that.

[2:44:16] then I remember as we were I ter

[2:44:19] viewing last police chief I

[2:44:25] think it was my colleague

[2:44:27] commissioner scuotto choose to

[2:44:30] respond to things on a flash.

[2:44:34] weather the new chief is within

[2:44:38] shooting range of the city.

[2:44:41] thank god we didn't take him up

[2:44:43] on it.

[2:44:44] by now he would have been

[2:44:45] divorced.

[2:44:46] he did offer to move here.

[2:44:47] -- we don't spend it or carry

[2:45:02] out the policies.

[2:45:03] we die very well many that down

[2:45:06] to our charter officers.

[2:45:07] they have significant

[2:45:09] discretion.

[2:45:10] the treasurer the community and

[2:45:19] also the discretion given to

[2:45:22] them.

[2:45:24] they make decisions that impact

[2:45:26] this community in very

[2:45:30] significant ways.

[2:45:32] so you know obviously zit

[2:45:35] communities across country.

[2:45:37] our county, our state as

[2:45:38] various, answeried ways or

[2:45:42] different positions they require

[2:45:44] should be residents of our city.

[2:45:48] as someone e mealing me today in

[2:45:53] support of the ordinance.

[2:45:55] they said if you're making

[2:45:56] decisions that amount to

[2:45:58] spending millions of dollars of

[2:46:00] our communities dollars you

[2:46:03] ought to have an investment.

[2:46:05] it makes you they think what

[2:46:07] you're doing much more.

[2:46:12] I brought this forward for the

[2:46:14] commission's consideration.

[2:46:17] obviously I made it all

[2:46:21] inclusive.

[2:46:22] this commission can weight in as

[2:46:24] to whether it wants to support

[2:46:26] it, not support it, support it

[2:46:29] in some form or another.

[2:46:32] I kind of put this on here.

[2:46:35] the backups are there.

[2:46:38] >> assistant deputy mayor.

[2:46:46] >> I understand where you're

[2:46:47] coming from.

[2:46:48] it makes sense.

[2:46:49] based on the variance here I

[2:46:51] think the chief is doing a great

[2:46:52] job.

[2:46:53] I will give you an example --

[2:46:57] there are a couple who live in

[2:47:00] the city and some that don't.

[2:47:02] I feel they're doing a

[2:47:03] phenomenal job.

[2:47:05] I don't know if I would like to

[2:47:07] fully support that.

[2:47:10] that is my opinion.

[2:47:11] >> mr. Scuotto.

[2:47:14] >> the mayor would like to speak

[2:47:16] as well.

[2:47:17] >> I will get him next.

[2:47:19] >> I don't have a, the city

[2:47:23] clerk, I mean not that she's on

[2:47:27] an essential worker.

[2:47:29] I think if she didn't live in

[2:47:30] the city it's not detriment to

[2:47:34] us.

[2:47:35] kim, not to say the same I could

[2:47:41] understand if the people who --

[2:47:44] not to say you're not working

[2:47:46] every day.

[2:47:47] if something would fire we have

[2:47:50] something major, destruction, a

[2:47:52] fire, whatever a gas leak or

[2:47:54] whatever yes we want the police

[2:47:56] or the fire chief to be close to

[2:47:58] us.

[2:47:59] the hurricane issues and stuff

[2:48:04] like that.

[2:48:05] it's nice to know they are

[2:48:08] there.

[2:48:09] police chief.

[2:48:10] those and the city manager.

[2:48:11] to me those three -- I'm saying

[2:48:15] if you ask for a conscience.

[2:48:18] >> no I totally.

[2:48:20] I didn't want to leave anyone

[2:48:22] out.

[2:48:23] at the same time I'm prepared to

[2:48:24] hear from you what is more

[2:48:26] important.

[2:48:27] >> you brought it up.

[2:48:28] I -- if you asked me personally

[2:48:32] I would say the city clerk and

[2:48:33] the city attorney I wouldn't,

[2:48:37] yes I would love every charter

[2:48:39] officer to live in the city the

[2:48:41] same way the city commission

[2:48:43] have to live in the city of

[2:48:45] sunrise.

[2:48:46] years ago when we had contracts

[2:48:48] for police and for general

[2:48:52] employees we made it in the

[2:48:55] beginning that if you wanted a

[2:48:58] take home car I had to live in

[2:49:00] the city of sunrise.

[2:49:02] if you're a police officer and

[2:49:04] wanted a take home car you had

[2:49:06] to live in the city of sunrise.

[2:49:08] if you lived outside you didn't

[2:49:10] get a take home car.

[2:49:11] >> you should if back there.

[2:49:14] >> no, I'm saying.

[2:49:16] general employees we said if

[2:49:18] you're a call out.

[2:49:19] a person in utility where if the

[2:49:21] pipe breaks you're the person

[2:49:23] that is the call out and you

[2:49:24] live outside of the city you are

[2:49:27] able to have a take home car.

[2:49:30] if you live outside of the city

[2:49:31] and there is a main break and

[2:49:34] it's your weekend to work it's

[2:49:37] okay to have.

[2:49:38] I am saying we did things kind

[2:49:41] of like that.

[2:49:42] so my personal would be the city

[2:49:47] manager should, I know, if he's

[2:49:49] running the city of a thousand

[2:49:51] plus employees and to deal with

[2:49:54] us five I mean then the police

[2:50:00] chief and fire chief.

[2:50:01] efplts I didn't think it was

[2:50:03] right to write it and make the

[2:50:05] decision.

[2:50:06] >> no, no.

[2:50:07] emit at the same time.

[2:50:09] >> if you're trying to get a

[2:50:11] conscience.

[2:50:12] >> yes.

[2:50:13] >> it would be nice if they all

[2:50:15] lived in the city.

[2:50:16] if we broke it down that would

[2:50:20] be my breakdown.

[2:50:22] >> if it's the will of the

[2:50:23] commission, I would agree but I

[2:50:26] wouldn't want to change it now

[2:50:27] for the people here.

[2:50:29] I'm saying, just saying I

[2:50:31] wouldn't want to change that.

[2:50:35] I don't think that it in anyway

[2:50:39] limits the person that is in our

[2:50:48] infrastructure of the city that

[2:50:50] wants to move up because they

[2:50:52] live outside of the city doesn't

[2:50:54] mean they wouldn't get that job.

[2:50:57] >> it means after they get the

[2:50:59] job --

[2:51:01] >> it would be within a certain

[2:51:03] time frame.

[2:51:04] >> 160 days.

[2:51:06] 1 months.

[2:51:07] the reason I put 6 months.

[2:51:11] >> right now the market would be

[2:51:13] you can buy a house that fast.

[2:51:34] [inaudible]

[2:51:35] >> no I'm it willing you why I

[2:51:36] chose that six months.

[2:51:38] assume someone took the job --

[2:51:42] [inaudible]

[2:51:43] >>like we did.

[2:51:58] >> I think it's reasonable to

[2:51:59] buy or rent.

[2:52:00] I think 180 days gives you the

[2:52:03] opportunity one or the other.

[2:52:05] I thought about the school board

[2:52:08] where people say --

[2:52:11] >> huh-uh.

[2:52:15] >> I wanted to make sure someone

[2:52:18] was certificate toying they

[2:52:19] lived here.

[2:52:20] I have heard it with schools.

[2:52:23] state legislatures.

[2:52:24] >> commissioners.

[2:52:26] >> they say -- they don't live

[2:52:31] there.

[2:52:32] I don't want --

[2:52:33] >> yes,.

[2:52:34] >> if you're making these major

[2:52:36] decisions that affect peoples

[2:52:38] lives I think you should have --

[2:52:41] if you don't foal like you can

[2:52:43] live in sunrise.

[2:52:44] >> allen lived in new york.

[2:52:46] when al not took the job in

[2:52:48] sunrise he purchased his house

[2:52:50] in sunrise.

[2:52:52] >> I'm saying if you don't think

[2:52:54] our community is good enough to

[2:52:56] live in, it shouldn't be good

[2:52:58] enough for to you make your

[2:53:00] money.

[2:53:01] >> that is not --

[2:53:03] >> -- to the greater.

[2:53:06] [inaudible]

[2:53:07] >> before, mayor ryan.

[2:53:10] >> yes, first of all I want to

[2:53:14] clarify.

[2:53:16] this is not up for first

[2:53:17] reading.

[2:53:18] this has been drafted.

[2:53:20] the debate or discussion is

[2:53:21] whether to put it on for first

[2:53:23] reading, correct?

[2:53:28] >> it is on for first reading.

[2:53:32] >> alright so a couple of

[2:53:34] issues.

[2:53:35] one, this needs to be opened up

[2:53:37] for a public hearing on this

[2:53:39] matter if it's on for a first

[2:53:40] reading.

[2:53:41] >> second I want to thank ms. K.

[2:53:45] for drafting this ordinance with

[2:53:46] first detail.

[2:53:47] first time hearing this as an

[2:53:49] issue.

[2:53:50] it does appear you took a lot of

[2:53:52] time to put this together.

[2:53:54] looking at the legal issues that

[2:53:56] needed to be vetted from a

[2:53:58] constitutional and statutory

[2:54:01] framework.

[2:54:02] I appreciate it.

[2:54:03] this has been put on for a first

[2:54:06] reading opposed to commission

[2:54:09] discussion.

[2:54:10] I know you took it seriously.

[2:54:11] I don't support this item.

[2:54:13] I don't see this has been

[2:54:17] historical.

[2:54:19] I understand the sincer and

[2:54:21] honest feelings of the sponsor

[2:54:24] of this ordinance.

[2:54:27] I don't take issue with the

[2:54:30] basis of this.

[2:54:32] I haven't seen this as a disease

[2:54:36] we need to cure.

[2:54:37] I think that I will use john

[2:54:41] brooks as a perfect example.

[2:54:43] he didn't live in sunrise.

[2:54:44] I don't think any of us who had

[2:54:47] the opportunity and honor to

[2:54:50] work with chief brooks would say

[2:54:52] he ever felt that sunrise was

[2:54:55] not his priority.

[2:54:56] -- assuming the positions about

[2:55:32] their own dedication and

[2:55:36] commitment to the city.

[2:55:37] there could most certainly be

[2:55:39] employees coming through the

[2:55:40] ranks who haven't lived in

[2:55:44] sunrise but live in the

[2:55:46] neighboring towns and have their

[2:55:48] investments and life there but

[2:55:51] have lead the city for

[2:55:52] commitment at a work level that

[2:55:55] they wouldn't be eligible to

[2:55:59] sell a home or rent.

[2:56:01] really, you know not necessarily

[2:56:04] a game that is intended.

[2:56:07] what is the purpose of renting

[2:56:11] in sunrise to prove they should

[2:56:12] be the charter officer, police

[2:56:15] chief or city clerk.

[2:56:17] appreciate the effort that was

[2:56:19] put into this.

[2:56:20] I haven't reviewed all of the

[2:56:23] case law or anything.

[2:56:24] I accept the clauses and believe

[2:56:27] this is something the commission

[2:56:29] decides to pass they could stand

[2:56:32] up.

[2:56:33] I think the commission can test

[2:56:37] any applicant coming forward.

[2:56:39] I won't support this tonight.

[2:56:41] I won't support this in a

[2:56:43] compromised way.

[2:56:44] I have seen, each charter

[2:56:47] officer living in this city or

[2:56:49] not I have never had a doubt

[2:56:51] that they were fully committed

[2:56:52] to the city and in fact we have

[2:56:55] had some living here and we

[2:56:57] doubted if they were the

[2:56:59] appropriate person.

[2:57:01] so, I jut don't find this to be

[2:57:04] necessary nowhere do I think it

[2:57:07] strength nots pezly the

[2:57:08] governance.

[2:57:09] I understand the honest and

[2:57:11] sincere philosophy behind it.

[2:57:17] >> assistant deputy mayor.

[2:57:21] >> yes.

[2:57:22] I feel we would miss out on

[2:57:23] having a good candidate versus

[2:57:26] someone living in the city

[2:57:27] qualifying.

[2:57:28] it's a good idea.

[2:57:41] I don't agree or think it's the

[2:57:43] greatest.

[2:57:44] >> I don't believe this ties in.

[2:57:49] it could open up with gaming.

[2:57:51] someone who has a family they

[2:57:53] don't want to move.

[2:57:54] they have a house on the beach.

[2:57:56] they will say their home address

[2:57:57] is their sisters or rent a one

[2:58:00] bedroom apartment and not live

[2:58:01] there to get around.

[2:58:02] I think this can be addressed

[2:58:04] were we choose to hire a

[2:58:06] contract part of this.

[2:58:08] I don't see it as a ordinance

[2:58:14] requirement.

[2:58:15] I think it weighs if we choose

[2:58:17] to hire a particular charter

[2:58:19] officer.

[2:58:20] obviously when I had discussions

[2:58:22] with chief rosa when he became

[2:58:25] our police chief and lived in

[2:58:26] palm beach I had concerns that

[2:58:28] if there was a shooting, brooks

[2:58:31] was this in five minutes.

[2:58:33] chief rosa committed voluntarily

[2:58:36] to relocate, him and his family

[2:58:39] to sunrise, to do that and be

[2:58:42] there.

[2:58:43] that's what I would look for in

[2:58:44] a police chief.

[2:58:45] I don't know where ms. K. Lives.

[2:58:49] if she had a nice house on the

[2:58:51] beach I could understand why she

[2:58:53] wouldn't want to sell her house

[2:58:55] and come and live in sunrise.

[2:58:57] I think she would do just as

[2:59:00] good of a job living on the

[2:59:02] beach as in sunrise.

[2:59:04] I don't see this as an ordinance

[2:59:06] type thing.

[2:59:08] for all of our charter officers.

[2:59:10] I do agree with commissioner

[2:59:12] scuotto and douglas that the

[2:59:15] fire chief and the chief of

[2:59:17] police and quite frankly our

[2:59:18] city manager should all reside

[2:59:23] as close as possible if not in

[2:59:26] sunrise.

[2:59:28] for city attorney and our city

[2:59:30] clerk, I don't see the need.

[2:59:35] they're not responding to public

[2:59:37] records request at 2:00 in the

[2:59:39] mortgage.

[2:59:40] the courthouse is not open at

[2:59:42] 9:00.

[2:59:43] for me I wouldn't support this

[2:59:48] as an ordinance.

[2:59:49] I definitely champion the cause

[2:59:52] for the hiring decisions for our

[2:59:55] city manager or police chief.

[3:00:03] any other comments.

[3:00:04] >> nothing else to be said.

[3:00:08] >> point of order, deputy

[3:00:10] mayor --

[3:00:13] [inaudible]

[3:00:14] >> point of order --

[3:00:16] [inaudible]

[3:00:22] >> I will get my pound of fleshy

[3:00:26] eventually.

[3:00:27] rest assured.

[3:00:28] >> point of order.

[3:00:29] point of order.

[3:00:30] >> I'm sorry.

[3:00:32] >> everyone knows I always get

[3:00:34] my pound of flesh.

[3:00:36] >> mayor ryan, go ahead.

[3:00:38] >> of course this is a well

[3:00:40] sponsored and well thought out

[3:00:42] ordinance.

[3:00:43] this doesn't reflect anything

[3:00:45] negative on commissioner --

[3:00:47] >> mayor you don't have to rub

[3:00:49] my back.

[3:00:50] I get it I raised it.

[3:00:55] [inaudible]

[3:00:56] >> I thank you for drafting

[3:00:57] this.

[3:00:58] I saw the mayor harped on miss

[3:01:05] k. And the hard work she did.

[3:01:07] I don't want anyone to under

[3:01:13] mind each commissioner has the

[3:01:15] opportunity to bring a ordinance

[3:01:17] forward.

[3:01:18] I don't know if there was an

[3:01:21] under tone it was an ordinance

[3:01:30] without a discussion.

[3:01:31] >> I can respond to that.

[3:01:32] commissioner douglas.

[3:01:33] [inaudible]

[3:01:35] >> I don't think we need to --

[3:01:37] we have k. Vote something up.

[3:01:39] vote it down.

[3:01:40] I don't want the message to go

[3:01:43] if you foal it's something you

[3:01:44] need to bring forward reject it

[3:01:47] the public space.

[3:01:49] you know --

[3:01:50] >> I don't think that is

[3:01:52] happening.

[3:01:53] I think the backup and agenda is

[3:01:56] what needs to be done.

[3:01:57] at least I had an idea where you

[3:02:02] were going today.

[3:02:03] I'm not knocking commissioner

[3:02:05] scuotto with license plate

[3:02:07] readers.

[3:02:08] I had no idea where that was

[3:02:10] going today.

[3:02:11] I do appreciate effort and work

[3:02:15] that went onto getting this so

[3:02:20] we -- I don't think anyone was

[3:02:22] knocking it.

[3:02:23] >> I wasn't knocking it I was a

[3:02:25] firming that the authority we v

[3:02:30] there have been comments made

[3:02:31] about whether I brought

[3:02:33] something forward or someone

[3:02:34] else brought something forward

[3:02:36] and this were concerns about

[3:02:38] utilizing city attorney

[3:02:40] resources on something that was

[3:02:42] controversial without first

[3:02:45] raising it.

[3:02:46] I don't take that position.

[3:02:48] I support you bringing this

[3:02:50] forward.

[3:02:51] I wanted to thank ms. K.

[3:02:53] this is an important discussion.

[3:02:55] there is the point this is the

[3:03:06] first reading and we have to

[3:03:08] have a public hearing.

[3:03:09] >> anymore discussion before the

[3:03:11] public hearing?

[3:03:12] this is a public hearing anyone

[3:03:14] wishing to weight in on this

[3:03:15] item please step forward.

[3:03:19] no one is stepping forward in

[3:03:21] the galley.

[3:03:22] tory, anyone on-line to talk

[3:03:24] about this?

[3:03:26] >> no hands raised.

[3:03:29] >> I will close the public

[3:03:30] hearing part of this.

[3:03:32] a vote required?

[3:03:35] >> this was a motion and a

[3:03:37] second.

[3:03:38] yes, a vote.

[3:03:39] >> let's call the question.

[3:03:40] >> there was no motion.

[3:03:45] I thought there was.

[3:03:47] >> this wasn't.

[3:03:48] >> they just went into

[3:03:52] discussion.

[3:03:53] I don't have a motion or a

[3:03:54] second.

[3:03:55] >> a motion.

[3:03:56] >> a motion.

[3:03:57] >> motion by commissioner

[3:03:58] scuotto.

[3:04:01] >> second my assistant deputy

[3:04:04] mayor.

[3:04:05] >> reopen public hearing.

[3:04:07] >> reopen public hearing.

[3:04:09] anyone wishing to comment on

[3:04:10] this item?

[3:04:11] nobody stepping forward.

[3:04:13] I will close public hearing.

[3:04:15] tory anyone on the line to

[3:04:17] comment on this item?

[3:04:18] >> no deputy mayor, nobody has a

[3:04:20] hand raised.

[3:04:22] >> nobody has a hand raised.

[3:04:24] I will close public hearing.

[3:04:26] anyone among us wish to

[3:04:28] reiterate any comments.

[3:04:31] I will incorporate the comments.

[3:04:34] able to call the question now.

[3:04:36] >> I think so.

[3:04:37] >> yes, sir.

[3:04:38] >> thank you.

[3:04:41] call the question place.

[3:04:42] >> commissioner scuotto.

[3:04:46] >> yes.

[3:04:47] >> commissioner douglas.

[3:04:48] >> yes.

[3:04:49] >> assistant deputy mayor.

[3:04:52] >> yes,.

[3:04:53] >> you're voting to approve or

[3:04:56] pass this.

[3:04:57] >> I'm sorry, no.

[3:04:58] I'm against it.

[3:04:59] my apologies.

[3:05:01] thank you for stopping me.

[3:05:02] >> deputy mayor.

[3:05:04] >> no.

[3:05:05] >> mayor ryan.

[3:05:06] >> no.

[3:05:07] >> item fails 3-2

[3:05:10] >> new business c.

[3:05:15] sports programs.

[3:05:16] commission discussion and or

[3:05:18] action regarding city of sunrise

[3:05:20] sports programs in the leisure

[3:05:23] services department.

[3:05:24] assistant deputy mayor jacquelyn

[3:05:27] a.guzman.

[3:05:29] >> I have been in the sports

[3:05:30] program here since 2012.

[3:05:33] since then the last pugh years I

[3:05:35] have seen a concern with the

[3:05:36] volunteers we have, for coaches.

[3:05:38] that goes for every sport.

[3:05:40] basketball, football, flag,

[3:05:42] soccer.

[3:05:43] so, I just pretty much wanted to

[3:05:46] see if and how we can address

[3:05:50] the recruitment for coaches.

[3:05:52] the coaches I have seen the last

[3:05:55] few years they're either not

[3:05:57] trained, experience.

[3:05:58] I understand you have to start

[3:06:00] somewhere.

[3:06:01] just the culture of being

[3:06:02] disrespectful.

[3:06:04] cursing in front of our

[3:06:05] children, our teams.

[3:06:08] I get it they hear it I don't

[3:06:10] think it's a good representation

[3:06:12] of our city knowing we have high

[3:06:14] standards to our own staff.

[3:06:16] I hope we can address the

[3:06:20] situations moving forward.

[3:06:21] w edesperately need it.

[3:06:23] >> mr. Lubelski ahead.

[3:06:29] >> thank you.

[3:06:30] I have spoken with the assistant

[3:06:33] deputy mayor with this.

[3:06:35] we have rules and regulations

[3:06:36] from a coaching stand point.

[3:06:38] I have talked with staff.

[3:06:39] I think there are opportunities

[3:06:40] for improvement in training our

[3:06:42] volunteers and making sure that

[3:06:45] we make our rules and

[3:06:47] regulations very clear to them.

[3:06:51] providing the tools necessary to

[3:06:52] be successful.

[3:06:53] one of the things we're looking

[3:06:55] at is potentially developing a

[3:06:58] inhouse video more mandatory

[3:07:01] training.

[3:07:02] I think there is a clearly an

[3:07:03] opportunity.

[3:07:05] we look forward to making

[3:07:06] improvements.

[3:07:29] >> I want to first thank the

[3:07:31] coaches who are coaching,

[3:07:35] they're parents.

[3:07:36] there are not coaches.

[3:07:37] there are kids.

[3:07:38] when I grew up coaches coached

[3:07:40] because their kids moved on.

[3:07:43] here we're a working city most

[3:07:46] of the parents men and women who

[3:07:48] coach have a kid on the team.

[3:07:52] a lot of times they're not even

[3:07:54] a real coach.

[3:07:55] they're just a parent.

[3:07:56] most of the time we don't have

[3:07:58] enough parents to coach.

[3:08:02] we're always trying to recruit

[3:08:05] so, that is where the training

[3:08:07] comes in.

[3:08:08] they're not actually a coach

[3:08:10] they're a parent.

[3:08:11] so, they may come off a

[3:08:13] different then maybe a coach who

[3:08:16] did have the training.

[3:08:17] >> I don't agree with you there.

[3:08:19] I have volunteered as a coach

[3:08:21] for years.

[3:08:22] I don't have the experience.

[3:08:23] I know that. I'm open to

[3:08:25] suggestions and training.

[3:08:27] >> if that was available I'm

[3:08:28] happy to learn.

[3:08:29] however up don't have to be a

[3:08:30] experienced coach to be

[3:08:32] respectful and mindful of the

[3:08:34] children you're coaching.

[3:08:35] as a parent having respect for

[3:08:37] who you deal with on a daily

[3:08:39] basis, communication, cursing,

[3:08:41] being disrespectful.

[3:08:43] you don't have to -- it doesn't

[3:08:45] matter if you're a parent or

[3:08:47] not.

[3:08:48] I'm thankful for the coaches now

[3:08:49] there.

[3:08:50] are some that are not having

[3:08:51] children on the team.

[3:08:52] I know this personally.

[3:08:54] they're coaching which is great.

[3:08:55] it's not always the case.

[3:08:58] >> I am saying it's f. The

[3:09:00] parent is disrespectful parent .

[3:09:08] so let's have a video, do

[3:09:10] training.

[3:09:11] >> obviously.

[3:09:13] >> I'm agreeing with you.

[3:09:16] they're mostly parents that are

[3:09:18] coaching.

[3:09:19] that's what I'm saying.

[3:09:20] so a lost them don't go through

[3:09:22] the training because we end up

[3:09:24] having years ago we would have

[3:09:27] 20 teams never had enough

[3:09:29] coaches to coach.

[3:09:31] at least now we have enough, we

[3:09:35] barley have enough teams.

[3:09:37] we have enough parents.

[3:09:40] it went from one extreme to the

[3:09:42] other.

[3:09:43] I coached here for years for my

[3:09:44] niece christina for softball and

[3:09:48] everything.

[3:09:49] so I know, then again you have

[3:09:52] parents that are just -- think

[3:09:56] it's a major league baseball

[3:09:58] game or major league soccer game

[3:10:00] and get so into it.

[3:10:02] you know they get.

[3:10:03] they do.

[3:10:04] I mean, alis places soccer,

[3:10:15] football -- in the last two or

[3:10:18] three years I haven't seen many

[3:10:20] of the coaches be that crazy.

[3:10:22] you mainly see a lost parents

[3:10:25] that run their mouths more to

[3:10:28] the referees than the actual

[3:10:30] coach.

[3:10:31] sometimes you have a very

[3:10:32] aggressive coach.

[3:10:33] we saw that when we played

[3:10:44] plantation.

[3:10:45] man station coaches were

[3:10:47] structured to win every game.

[3:10:49] where you know the coachs in

[3:10:53] sunrise were like from the

[3:10:56] 60s, free spirited, have fun.

[3:11:00] I'm just saying sometimes you

[3:11:01] have that.

[3:11:02] I agree.

[3:11:04] the training is most important.

[3:11:10] let's go further to the sports

[3:11:11] program.

[3:11:12] we hay million training

[3:11:13] facilities and people who came

[3:11:17] here to come and help the kids.

[3:11:21] to do the little cams and prep

[3:11:23] our kids.

[3:11:24] you know.

[3:11:32] >> you have a kid playing rec

[3:11:34] with a little talent the travel

[3:11:37] team comes and takes the kitted

[3:11:38] and tells the parent don't pay

[3:11:41] $75 to the city for the year.

[3:11:44] pay me a hundred tkharz a month,

[3:11:45] I will teach your kid.

[3:11:47] it turned no a major business.

[3:11:49] we see that with soccer.

[3:11:51] we had a great soccer program.

[3:11:54] now they just split.

[3:11:55] 14u, 1u that eastbound the mayor

[3:12:07] coached they split.

[3:12:08] now you have the sunrise sharks,

[3:12:11] sunrise sing.

[3:12:13] you get the calls.

[3:12:14] I don't have a field.

[3:12:17] I need a field.

[3:12:19] they call the team sunrise.

[3:12:21] mean while they play all games

[3:12:23] in weston, right.

[3:12:25] serious, right now.

[3:12:26] you know.

[3:12:27] they play all of the games in

[3:12:29] weston.

[3:12:30] their name is sunrise.

[3:12:32] none of the kids from sunrise

[3:12:34] but they want to use our field.

[3:12:36] listen, even if it's one kid on

[3:12:38] the team, he's still a sunrise

[3:12:43] kid we want to help them.

[3:12:45] then we have the sunrise theme

[3:12:47] who promoted sunrise who

[3:12:50] really -- I was against the

[3:12:55] astro turf.

[3:12:56] the mayor was for astro turf.

[3:12:58] I use to do my own polling up

[3:13:00] here.

[3:13:02] neil busted me one time.

[3:13:03] I went down loot line and asked

[3:13:06] every kid, turf or grass, turf

[3:13:08] or grass, turf or grass.

[3:13:10] we got to a point that we have a

[3:13:13] great program.

[3:13:16] we built a beautiful facility

[3:13:19] for the kids to play on.

[3:13:20] now the kids from weston want to

[3:13:22] use our fields.

[3:13:23] where is the balance.

[3:13:24] you know.

[3:13:25] these people are about money.

[3:13:27] some of them.

[3:13:28] not all of them.

[3:13:29] then you have nasty coaches.

[3:13:37] if someone is giving me a

[3:13:39] hundred dollars a month I

[3:13:40] wouldn't be nasty.

[3:13:41] if I volunteer and make nothing

[3:13:43] and my kids are losing every

[3:13:46] game I'm nasty.

[3:13:47] there is the training.

[3:13:48] so the training and see what we

[3:13:54] can do to help the kids with the

[3:13:56] mini camps to help the girls

[3:13:59] pitch this.

[3:14:00] isn't enough girls times on the

[3:14:02] team.

[3:14:03] one girl pitches decent.

[3:14:04] now they're trying to get

[3:14:06] another girl to learn to pitch.

[3:14:07] it's an art.

[3:14:10] it's not something you pick up

[3:14:13] over night.

[3:14:14] we have to have little camps for

[3:14:15] teaching the kids.

[3:14:16] girls softball.

[3:14:18] boys baseball.

[3:14:19] we have beautiful facilities

[3:14:24] with the pitching pounds and

[3:14:26] everything that we begged for 20

[3:14:28] years to get with the batting

[3:14:30] cages let's use them and have

[3:14:33] someone train our kids.

[3:14:34] that's all I say.

[3:14:36] >> commissioner douglas, do you

[3:14:37] have anything on this one?

[3:14:39] >> he's just nasty.

[3:14:50] >> I wasn't a sports guy until

[3:14:52] my son played football.

[3:14:54] I have a soft spot.

[3:14:56] any group dynamic I involve

[3:14:58] myself I observe as much as I

[3:15:01] can.

[3:15:02] I did see that most parents are

[3:15:07] doing it from a good faith

[3:15:09] perspective.

[3:15:10] running lines, being passionate.

[3:15:12] most know their children won't

[3:15:14] be super stars.

[3:15:16] they get involved as coaches.

[3:15:22] [inaudible]

[3:15:24] >> would have never thought.

[3:15:25] >> I have seen coaches pushing

[3:15:27] my son a little hard.

[3:15:29] you know I get passionate.

[3:15:31] I understand that passion will

[3:15:33] come with it I certainly think

[3:15:37] though if we were to make it

[3:15:39] mandatory, take training and so

[3:15:42] on you won't necessarily --

[3:15:45] >> they go through the

[3:15:49] background check and all of

[3:15:51] that.

[3:15:52] >> sigh cases you don't have

[3:15:53] people running the lines.

[3:15:55] I never ran a line before.

[3:15:57] I had to run a line.

[3:15:58] there are times I remember

[3:16:01] specifically with tackle this

[3:16:02] were challenges with the

[3:16:03] leadership and the parents

[3:16:04] didn't want to participate.

[3:16:06] it fell apart.

[3:16:09] thank god it was salvaged.

[3:16:12] I know you're passionate and

[3:16:14] close to baseball thing.

[3:16:15] mayor ryan has been involved

[3:16:17] with so manier for sometime.

[3:16:20] we all have, the rest of you

[3:16:22] have had your own experiences

[3:16:24] with sports.

[3:16:25] I think we want to keep it

[3:16:31] amateur and not force

[3:16:33] requirements because you have a

[3:16:35] lot of people that just have to

[3:16:37] chip in.

[3:16:38] like I was there.

[3:16:42] I could of been considered a

[3:16:44] coach at that point.

[3:16:45] there weren't enough people to

[3:16:46] run the lines.

[3:16:47] I ran the lines.

[3:16:48] if we have that as a requirement

[3:16:51] then you know you would see a

[3:16:55] challenge.

[3:16:56] >> mayor ryan.

[3:16:57] >> yes, thank you.

[3:16:58] first of all thank you for

[3:17:01] raising this.

[3:17:02] I think it's always good for us

[3:17:03] to reexamine our programs and

[3:17:08] what is going on.

[3:17:10] you have been out on the fields

[3:17:11] this.

[3:17:12] is what you see.

[3:17:13] there it's real.

[3:17:14] your feelings are rational.

[3:17:16] I think it is an issue that from

[3:17:19] time to time we have to revisit.

[3:17:22] as was said I did soccer,

[3:17:26] baseball, I have coached flag

[3:17:29] football.

[3:17:30] each have different

[3:17:32] characteristics.

[3:17:33] the coaches are different for a

[3:17:34] variety of reasons.

[3:17:36] I also think the parents are

[3:17:38] different in each of those for a

[3:17:40] variety of reasons.

[3:17:41] it can be difficult to coach

[3:17:44] baseball because the parents are

[3:17:46] so close.

[3:17:47] of course after a couple of

[3:17:48] seasons as mentioned I think

[3:17:49] every parent and every coach

[3:17:51] thinks they can coach the

[3:17:53] yankees or mets.

[3:17:54] they know how to navigate all of

[3:17:56] the complexities of it.

[3:17:59] all that had said.

[3:18:01] it's clear the commission

[3:18:03] appreciates as does staff the

[3:18:05] commitment of the volunteering.

[3:18:10] they love the sport, they love

[3:18:12] working with children.

[3:18:13] that being said I don't think as

[3:18:17] has been suggested, and kevin

[3:18:21] would appreciate this I don't

[3:18:39] think it would do much.

[3:18:47] -- we have had to deal with

[3:18:49] coaches more animated and maybe

[3:18:52] inappropriate in terms of her

[3:18:54] conduct and discussion point.

[3:18:57] I thought that would be

[3:18:58] replicated for the parents.

[3:19:00] often times it can be quite

[3:19:03] challenging for the coaches.

[3:19:05] you have parents that are

[3:19:06] inappropriate.

[3:19:07] soccer instituted a rule that

[3:19:11] was pretty strict.

[3:19:13] there is no coaching from the

[3:19:14] sidelines.

[3:19:15] no yelling at the revs.

[3:19:17] did you it was a potential

[3:19:19] penalty.

[3:19:20] it's hard as a parent.

[3:19:21] the first few times I was on the

[3:19:24] sidelines not coaching it's hard

[3:19:26] to sit on your hands and not be

[3:19:28] animated at the ref, coach or

[3:19:30] simply the circumstances.

[3:19:32] there is nothing wrong with

[3:19:34] reminding everyone in the

[3:19:37] programs when we expect from

[3:19:39] them in terms of behavior.

[3:19:41] we don't expect this is a

[3:19:43] professional endeavor t-fpltz a

[3:19:44] fun opportunity for those who

[3:19:47] discover their own talents and

[3:19:50] build confidence and

[3:19:52] camaraderie.

[3:19:53] I thank you for bringing this

[3:19:55] forward.

[3:19:56] a yee with all comments made.

[3:19:58] the need to remind.

[3:20:01] think staff can handle this

[3:20:02] going forward.

[3:20:03] I'm sure they would appreciate

[3:20:06] they have the opportunity to

[3:20:07] remind the coaches.

[3:20:09] I will end with this most

[3:20:11] leagues require a coach to go

[3:20:13] through a orientation.

[3:20:14] we had to do it for soccer every

[3:20:17] year.

[3:20:18] the rules never changed.

[3:20:19] it was always the same.

[3:20:20] not saying it's the most fun

[3:20:21] meeting.

[3:20:22] kevin and his staff always tried

[3:20:24] to make it interesting whether

[3:20:26] it was giving away balls for

[3:20:29] practice or whatever.

[3:20:30] there is nothing wrong with the

[3:20:32] mandatory meetings.

[3:20:33] thank you assistant deputy

[3:20:35] mayor.

[3:20:36] >> assistant deputy mayor

[3:20:38] guzman.

[3:20:40] >> I will say waterhill usually

[3:20:42] has -- heat coming and

[3:20:46] hurricanes and camps for the

[3:20:47] weekends.

[3:20:48] if we could do that I think it

[3:20:50] would be good for city.

[3:20:51] I wanted to bring up the point

[3:20:53] from the mayor, if we're, you

[3:20:55] know, I don't think requiring or

[3:20:58] mandating they do this virtual

[3:21:01] training of some sort.

[3:21:02] I don't think it will push those

[3:21:04] coach as way I think it will

[3:21:06] make those parents appreciate

[3:21:08] that we are trying to have a

[3:21:10] positive culture in our city and

[3:21:12] they are part of the program

[3:21:14] too.

[3:21:15] so hopefully we can wean out the

[3:21:17] not so great coaches and bring

[3:21:19] in better ones.

[3:21:20] >> if I may deputy mayor to add

[3:21:22] one point that was said, I noah

[3:21:27] sis instant deputy mayor, you

[3:21:28] have seen this.

[3:21:29] we know who the coaches were,

[3:21:32] perhaps walking as close to the

[3:21:34] line in terms of how they

[3:21:36] conduct themselves.

[3:21:37] I think the coaches are doing

[3:21:39] the right thing.

[3:21:40] welcoming the opportunity to get

[3:21:45] the same lectures so we don't

[3:21:47] have to do it.

[3:21:48] I agree with you.

[3:21:50] >> I was a coach one time for

[3:21:55] soccer.

[3:21:56] I never played a game of socker

[3:21:59] in my life.

[3:22:00] my son was one of those team

[3:22:02] that's didn't have a coach, it

[3:22:04] was either I coached or no team.

[3:22:08] so, I was forcefully

[3:22:12] volunteered.

[3:22:15] went out and had fun.

[3:22:17] at the end of the day I realize

[3:22:20] I didn't know what I was doing.

[3:22:22] thank god youtube was around for

[3:22:25] drills and explain some things

[3:22:28] this.

[3:22:29] is recreational sports.

[3:22:33] amateurs, it's to have fun.

[3:22:36] this needs to be a code of

[3:22:38] conduct.

[3:22:41] the cursing.

[3:22:43] I'm supportive of a training

[3:22:44] video.

[3:22:45] this is what you don't do with a

[3:22:51] parent yelling and screaming at

[3:22:52] the referee.

[3:22:53] this is what you don't do.

[3:22:55] pro and con.

[3:22:57] however you want to do it.

[3:22:58] on our sports program as a

[3:23:00] recreational level there needs

[3:23:03] to be a minimum set of standards

[3:23:05] where curses are not cursing and

[3:23:07] yelling.

[3:23:08] this is not, as everyone says

[3:23:10] these kids maybe one out of all

[3:23:12] recreational programs may make

[3:23:14] it to a professional.

[3:23:16] hopefully some will make college

[3:23:17] and high school athletics.

[3:23:19] I think that's where that comes

[3:23:21] in.

[3:23:22] the point of the programs are to

[3:23:23] get the kids to try to explore,

[3:23:26] see if it's something they want

[3:23:28] to do.

[3:23:29] not develop them into nfl, msl,

[3:23:34] nba, that's someone else's job.

[3:23:38] supportive of that.

[3:23:39] any other discussion?

[3:23:46] >> 17d.

[3:23:48] ready to move forward.

[3:23:50] city manager anual review.

[3:23:53] commission discussion and or

[3:23:54] action regarding of the annual

[3:23:56] review and evaluation of the

[3:23:59] city manager.

[3:24:01] city manager mark lubelski.

[3:24:04] >> if coy just --

[3:24:07] >> go ahead.

[3:24:09] >> yes, last year it was the

[3:24:11] first time we did it.

[3:24:34] [inaudible]

[3:24:35] >> I was going to have them each

[3:24:36] come up and do a evaluation and

[3:24:39] then we give an evaluation.

[3:24:42] does that fly with everyone.

[3:24:44] nobody is saying no.

[3:24:45] I guess we will proceed that

[3:24:48] way.

[3:24:49] mr. Lubelski the floor is yours

[3:24:52] on your an actual review.

[3:24:54] >> thank you.

[3:24:55] city manager.

[3:24:56] it's been a pleasure and honor

[3:24:58] to serve as city manager over

[3:25:00] the past year.

[3:25:01] I am incredibly proud of the

[3:25:03] work of the city commission,

[3:25:04] city employees, residents,

[3:25:06] businesses have accomplished

[3:25:09] over the past year.

[3:25:10] to adapt and respond to covid-19

[3:25:12] pandemic, still maintaining

[3:25:14] focus and long term goals of the

[3:25:16] city.

[3:25:17] although the city has many core

[3:25:20] values embedded in the culture I

[3:25:22] reinforce three pillars daily.

[3:25:28] outstanding customer service,

[3:25:31] transparently, collaboration

[3:25:34] with all levels.

[3:25:35] attached is a list of major

[3:25:38] accomplishments of the last year

[3:25:40] this.

[3:25:41] is a test euplt of the city

[3:25:43] commission and all employees

[3:25:45] across the organization.

[3:25:46] again I thank you for the

[3:25:47] opportunity to serve the

[3:25:49] commission, residents, city of

[3:25:51] sunrise.

[3:25:52] wasn't planning to go over each

[3:25:54] item.

[3:25:56] if the commissioners have

[3:25:58] questions I'm available.

[3:26:00] thank you, again.

[3:26:01] >> thank you.

[3:26:02] this memorandum is attached to

[3:26:04] the agenda.

[3:26:07] who wants to go first.

[3:26:09] commissioner scuotto, thank you

[3:26:12] for volunteering.

[3:26:13] >> okay.

[3:26:14] no problem.

[3:26:17] >> where should I start.

[3:26:20] it has been a privilege to work

[3:26:22] with you.

[3:26:23] over the last twenty years.

[3:26:26] close to it anyways.

[3:26:28] to give you that opportunity to

[3:26:32] move up to the city manager,

[3:26:37] supported as a 5-0.

[3:26:42] so show me good skills, show me

[3:26:46] your bad skills.

[3:26:47] over the last year it is a

[3:26:50] different time because when

[3:26:53] richard was city manager when I

[3:26:56] wanted to know something I

[3:26:57] called you.

[3:26:58] now since you're city manager I

[3:27:02] want to hear about something I

[3:27:04] call sean.

[3:27:06] it's living kind of the same.

[3:27:09] you have been very approachable.

[3:27:12] I think you have done a she will

[3:27:16] good job.

[3:27:19] sometimes you -- you may miss a

[3:27:25] couple of meetings.

[3:27:27] you didn't give us all of the

[3:27:28] information.

[3:27:29] I think that's more or less the

[3:27:30] learning curve.

[3:27:31] you got beat up a little bit.

[3:27:33] I guess that maybe taught you to

[3:27:34] make sure you give us all of the

[3:27:36] information you needed.

[3:27:38] just sometimes you know -- I

[3:27:45] don't know if it's just me but

[3:27:48] we have ideas and we run them by

[3:27:51] you.

[3:27:52] we have suggestions, it's good

[3:28:06] to rip thupgdz by you.

[3:28:08] whether I bring it up at a meet

[3:28:11] willing or just in general to

[3:28:13] you.

[3:28:14] to think of things, to hear your

[3:28:17] feedback, to think if I should

[3:28:19] bring it up or not.

[3:28:20] whether it's a business we have

[3:28:54] a issue or not a issue but the

[3:28:56] way the davie thing came about

[3:29:00] with the water and waste water.

[3:29:01] I may of been hot for a moment.

[3:29:05] going through it and thinking of

[3:29:08] why you brought it up this way

[3:29:09] or how you, you know said it

[3:29:12] this way or what not, I think

[3:29:16] it's a good understanding for

[3:29:18] ups and downs.

[3:29:20] that's the type of city manager,

[3:29:22] some previous city managers

[3:29:24] didn't have that.

[3:29:25] you know it was like in one ear

[3:29:29] and out the other.

[3:29:30] some are more knowledgeable than

[3:29:33] others.

[3:29:34] some went on their own beaten

[3:29:36] path.

[3:29:37] I think you as a person, I think

[3:29:44] you're a responsible person and

[3:29:47] dedicated to the city.

[3:29:48] I think you showed that in the

[3:29:50] planning department.

[3:29:52] think because we saw that or I

[3:29:53] saw that I saw where you could

[3:29:57] go.

[3:29:59] you're not just institution al

[3:30:01] knowledge of the city but of the

[3:30:03] planning.

[3:30:04] of where you want to see the

[3:30:06] city.

[3:30:07] maybe because you have that

[3:30:09] planning background.

[3:30:10] some people may of had a finance

[3:30:12] back ground.

[3:30:13] maybe they're a numbers person.

[3:30:16] I think you having assistant

[3:30:21] city managers you can have the

[3:30:23] mix of a number person, vision

[3:30:26] person, go-getter person.

[3:30:27] so, I see that in your pick.

[3:30:32] who you picked.

[3:30:33] not only for assistants but who

[3:30:39] you moved around in the city.

[3:30:42] there are positions we need to

[3:30:46] build.

[3:30:47] I know it's not your fault we're

[3:30:49] not filling them.

[3:30:50] there are positions in other

[3:30:54] cities think about moving to

[3:30:57] sunrise.

[3:30:58] you know maybe if they have ten

[3:30:59] or fifteen years in another city

[3:31:01] they're thinking twice.

[3:31:03] do I want to go work for

[3:31:05] sunrise.

[3:31:09] you know we get people that come

[3:31:12] down to the end.

[3:31:13] your department, another

[3:31:14] department.

[3:31:15] then they go somewhere else.

[3:31:17] it's frustrating.

[3:31:19] we're at a important we get

[3:31:21] people and then lose them.

[3:31:23] so, over ale I just think your

[3:31:29] communication skills with me are

[3:31:31] good.

[3:31:32] just making sure that not just

[3:31:34] because we get to hire I it

[3:31:43] should go down to every

[3:31:44] department head.

[3:31:45] everyone should be treated the

[3:31:47] same exact way.

[3:31:48] I'm sure you do that.

[3:31:51] little things shouldn't fall

[3:31:54] between the cracks.

[3:31:55] you should know that going up.

[3:31:58] just be more, you know not just

[3:32:02] to the five of us.

[3:32:04] because the other people that

[3:32:06] are your directors, they can

[3:32:10] hurt you just as much as the

[3:32:13] commission could fire you.

[3:32:15] because they could do things

[3:32:16] that disrupt, you know a whole

[3:32:20] department.

[3:32:21] put you in a worst situation

[3:32:23] because you may of picked that

[3:32:25] person.

[3:32:26] so it's just sometimes the

[3:32:29] little things that get people.

[3:32:32] we had that before.

[3:32:33] so, I think you're deserving of

[3:32:38] you know good rating from me.

[3:32:43] so, that's all I have to say.

[3:32:45] >> commissioner douglas.

[3:32:53] >> I can't speak to too many

[3:32:55] prior managers.

[3:32:57] I can only speak to one prior.

[3:32:59] I can say you're an improvement.

[3:33:04] I will start with that.

[3:33:05] you did outline in your feedback

[3:33:08] to the commission some of the

[3:33:09] different target areas that you

[3:33:13] focused on over past year that

[3:33:16] we have chosen you to lead the

[3:33:18] organization as our chief

[3:33:20] executive.

[3:33:21] you know we can't talk about

[3:33:27] anything without mentioning

[3:33:29] covid and the paeupl pact on our

[3:33:32] community and our city.

[3:33:33] I think our staff has done a

[3:33:41] tremendous effort holding it

[3:33:44] together.

[3:33:45] as the leader I have to give you

[3:33:49] credit how you managed your

[3:33:51] staff.

[3:33:52] your levels have been delivered

[3:33:59] during a crisis in our

[3:34:00] community.

[3:34:01] so, the over all management of

[3:34:05] the covid situation in our

[3:34:07] community I have to commend your

[3:34:10] leadership and how you marshaled

[3:34:13] your troops in insuring the

[3:34:15] service delivery and structure

[3:34:21] continued to function.

[3:34:22] we have had many, many

[3:34:24] concerning moments.

[3:34:27] with respect to how covid

[3:34:33] impacted our community none of

[3:34:35] us had experience dealing with

[3:34:40] such a crisis.

[3:34:42] we are here today not out of the

[3:34:45] woods in terms of how it's

[3:34:46] affecting our community but

[3:34:48] certainly we would of managed

[3:34:51] through a significant period of

[3:34:54] the affect on our community and

[3:34:57] so far we have been able to

[3:34:59] shuts tane our service deliver.

[3:35:02] I harp en on service delivery.

[3:35:06] that's what we are, a service

[3:35:07] delivery organization.

[3:35:10] more so than anything else.

[3:35:15] a compassion center or the

[3:35:19] programs, when this commission

[3:35:20] expressed it's desire to give

[3:35:23] you -- you brought various

[3:35:27] scenarios forward.

[3:35:29] some instances we didn't agree

[3:35:31] as to how it should be

[3:35:32] structured.

[3:35:34] you came back with alternatives

[3:35:36] and so on.

[3:35:37] so, I commend you for that

[3:35:40] responsiveness to make hardcore

[3:35:47] decisions on moving forward.

[3:35:50] marshaled by the staff, part of

[3:35:53] the credit goes to the police.

[3:35:55] for the community, food

[3:35:57] distribution program.

[3:35:58] I think sunrise even though it

[3:36:00] was really a regional thing

[3:36:02] because many from surrounding

[3:36:09] communities ben knitted.

[3:36:10] I think we were a leader in how

[3:36:12] we made it happen.

[3:36:13] how we road it out.

[3:36:16] we sustained it longer than most

[3:36:18] other communities.

[3:36:22] whether you pitched staff to one

[3:36:25] area or the next you were able

[3:36:28] to get your staff to be flexible

[3:36:31] in that regard.

[3:36:33] the drive-thru christmas stuff.

[3:36:39] the fact is whatever people had

[3:36:46] got not use to we brought an

[3:36:48] alternative that was as close as

[3:36:51] we could get to.

[3:36:59] -- you get the credit.

[3:37:05] transparency is a hell of a

[3:37:12] thing.

[3:37:13] if you don't know you don't

[3:37:14] know.

[3:37:15] if you don't tell me something.

[3:37:17] a challenge I had with your

[3:37:20] predecessor, I don't know -- was

[3:37:24] I feel like I had to know the

[3:37:26] right questions to ask.

[3:37:28] it was like, it was like almost

[3:37:30] like pulling teeth.

[3:37:32] then when you know obviously you

[3:37:35] guys are trained not to lie if

[3:37:37] you're asked a direct question.

[3:37:39] you know after quite a few

[3:37:42] direct questions why the hell

[3:37:44] didn't you tell me this before.

[3:37:46] why did I have to needle into

[3:37:48] you to get it out.

[3:37:50] I won't say it hasn't happened

[3:37:56] here.

[3:37:57] would I chalk it up to a good

[3:37:59] faith, I don't think you wanted

[3:38:00] to know or I miss it thed.

[3:38:03] whether you have been, it's hard

[3:38:05] to tell in the structure that we

[3:38:08] have with sunshine whether you

[3:38:11] have told neil one thing and

[3:38:17] told me something else or pitch

[3:38:19] it differently to joey or what

[3:38:21] not.

[3:38:22] you know it's a commitment that

[3:38:23] you have made and we expect you

[3:38:26] to build on it

[3:38:31] so, I can't, I have a pretty

[3:38:34] good level of communication with

[3:38:36] you.

[3:38:37] I also know how to ask

[3:38:47] questions.

[3:38:48] we speak frankly on issues that

[3:38:51] are a concern to me, initiatives

[3:38:53] that were of importance to me,

[3:38:57] we have been able to talk freely

[3:39:00] about them.

[3:39:01] you have been responsive to me

[3:39:05] as one of your bosses.

[3:39:07] so, from that perspective I

[3:39:16] would say mostly satisfied.

[3:39:19] on the employee side of things

[3:39:23] in terms of initiatives

[3:39:26] especially based on how it's

[3:39:29] outlined here I have to commend

[3:39:31] you.

[3:39:33] everybody knows about my

[3:39:35] challenges with performance

[3:39:39] appraisals in the past.

[3:39:42] I see here you have spoken to

[3:39:46] performance evaluation training

[3:39:48] for supervisors.

[3:39:50] one of the comments or

[3:39:53] criticisms that I previously

[3:39:55] made was that I felt at the time

[3:40:00] our performance appraisal

[3:40:01] structure was used as a reward

[3:40:05] and punishment mechanism and a

[3:40:07] lack of consistency across

[3:40:09] functional areas in terms of how

[3:40:11] people evaluated their, their

[3:40:18] subordinates.

[3:40:20] I presume even though I will

[3:40:22] probably ask you for some

[3:40:24] further feedback on how this has

[3:40:26] improved our systems.

[3:40:30] for you to have taken this

[3:40:32] forward and provided the

[3:40:34] training to your supervisors is

[3:40:39] obviously a responsive message

[3:40:42] to what we had in that area.

[3:40:44] to create a cons sis tent see

[3:40:45] across the organization not only

[3:40:47] in terms of the need to do it

[3:40:49] but the goal of doing it.

[3:40:53] the need to do it timely.

[3:40:56] so, I commend you for that.

[3:41:00] interview and slicks.

[3:41:02] we have talked about, you

[3:41:03] know -- not knocking engineers

[3:41:11] but I will use one as an

[3:41:12] example.

[3:41:13] you may be a great one.

[3:41:17] engineer is technical based

[3:41:19] thing.

[3:41:20] we have quite a few in the

[3:41:21] organization.

[3:41:22] you maybe a cop or whatever.

[3:41:24] because of that capacity that

[3:41:25] you have you end up in a

[3:41:27] supervisor roll or big boss

[3:41:30] roll.

[3:41:31] you have never been trained --

[3:41:37] [inaudible]

[3:41:39] so you may have someone very

[3:41:41] instrumental in selection and

[3:41:43] training or interviewing or they

[3:41:47] were not trained on how to do

[3:41:49] it.

[3:41:50] otherwise even given some basic

[3:41:54] framework how do it fairly and

[3:41:58] appropriately.

[3:41:59] I see here again you indicated

[3:42:03] that you developed -- training

[3:42:07] for supervisors.

[3:42:09] you know those of us listening.

[3:42:14] I know you all are.

[3:42:16] you have heard me comment about

[3:42:18] a lack of diversity in the

[3:42:19] organization at a certain point

[3:42:21] in time.

[3:42:22] I think part of that may of been

[3:42:24] a weakness in this area in terms

[3:42:26] of interview and selection.

[3:42:29] because people may of used more

[3:42:32] subjective basis for

[3:42:34] interviewing and selecting

[3:42:37] candidates.

[3:42:38] more so than any deliberate

[3:42:41] attempt to be, to create some

[3:42:51] sort of a intentional bias

[3:42:55] related decision.

[3:42:56] so, these are all things I think

[3:43:00] that strengthen the organization

[3:43:04] and the structure of the

[3:43:06] organization.

[3:43:07] I commend you on those

[3:43:08] initiatives.

[3:43:09] grants.

[3:43:15] you know some of these just

[3:43:17] flowed.

[3:43:19] we are always happy to get

[3:43:22] money.

[3:43:23] certainly we're always happy

[3:43:24] when staff brings different

[3:43:27] grant opportunities forward even

[3:43:29] when we are not thing about it.

[3:43:32] on the capitol project side I

[3:43:36] don't know.

[3:43:37] we have had some successes.

[3:43:40] we have had some failures.

[3:43:42] two big failures -- park and of

[3:43:48] course currently we're kind of

[3:43:50] hung up with the veterans park.

[3:43:53] I don't know how much of to

[3:43:57] blame on staff or not.

[3:43:58] I know obviously the contractor

[3:44:01] has the bulk of the blame here.

[3:44:07] but I don't know whether there

[3:44:13] was anything better we could of

[3:44:16] done in terms of how we held

[3:44:17] that contractor, managed the

[3:44:22] contractor or held him to task

[3:44:28] through various faces of the

[3:44:31] project.

[3:44:32] -- some of what has happened

[3:44:34] here.

[3:44:35] that is water under the bridge.

[3:44:37] I can tell you that. We all have

[3:44:40] learned from our failures in

[3:44:41] this area.

[3:44:42] I will be the first to take some

[3:44:47] of it.

[3:44:48] I will pass some of it down the

[3:44:50] line.

[3:44:51] really, really -- this one is

[3:44:56] one that really I feel I haven't

[3:45:01] done as much as I could to get

[3:45:04] these projects completed on

[3:45:05] time, on budget.

[3:45:07] really holding the contractor to

[3:45:11] the requirements of the

[3:45:12] contract.

[3:45:13] I know you will fix it

[3:45:19] you will get it fixed.

[3:45:21] generally I think you know

[3:45:27] obviously you have had the

[3:45:29] learning curve being assistant

[3:45:31] city manager.

[3:45:33] that gave you the opportunity to

[3:45:34] be more responsive as second in

[3:45:37] command as my colleague pointed

[3:45:39] out.

[3:45:40] now you're the head cook and

[3:45:42] bottle washer you we don't have

[3:45:44] as much time to get into the

[3:45:46] weeds.

[3:45:47] obviously there is a learning

[3:45:48] curve.

[3:45:49] I think you have done well as

[3:45:52] our city manager especially in a

[3:45:54] very challenging year.

[3:45:56] I look forward to continuing to

[3:45:59] work with you in the period that

[3:46:01] I have left in my tenure which

[3:46:09] is the only one I have three

[3:46:11] years.

[3:46:12] god willing my health holds and

[3:46:13] I'm still alive.

[3:46:15] I look forward to your continued

[3:46:17] growth in the position and your

[3:46:18] leadership in helping to

[3:46:20] strengthen the city and delivery

[3:46:22] of service that's we're here to

[3:46:24] do.

[3:46:27] >> thank you commissioner

[3:46:28] douglas.

[3:46:29] assistant deputy mayor guzman.

[3:46:30] >> we have known each other for

[3:46:33] eight or nine months.

[3:46:35] when I first came in you know

[3:46:37] there was some tension there.

[3:46:39] you getting to know me.

[3:46:40] me getting to know you.

[3:46:42] I mentioned transparency being a

[3:46:45] big thing.

[3:46:46] I'm completely open and honest.

[3:46:48] I expect that in return.

[3:46:50] like commissioner douglas

[3:46:51] mentioned sometimes you have to

[3:46:53] ask the right questions to get

[3:46:55] the answers.

[3:47:03] sometimes I felt I was pulling

[3:47:05] teeth at times.

[3:47:06] I think at this point we have

[3:47:08] come to that mutual relationship

[3:47:11] where we understand where we're

[3:47:13] both going with certain things.

[3:47:15] I feel much better talking to

[3:47:20] you than I did in the beginning.

[3:47:22] the short year you have been in

[3:47:24] this particular roll, if anyone

[3:47:27] at home is reading this,

[3:47:28] everything you have here is

[3:47:29] pretty impressive.

[3:47:31] thank you for dealing with

[3:47:33] covid.

[3:47:34] I will point out a few things

[3:47:40] that have been mentioned.

[3:47:42] I felt we lacked some

[3:47:44] information and I was

[3:47:45] disappointed there.

[3:47:46] I am sure you know moving

[3:47:48] forward to be ready next time.

[3:47:50] something I have noticed that I

[3:47:53] would like to see a little more

[3:47:54] from you alike the e-mails.

[3:47:56] I'm an e-mail person.

[3:47:59] I send e-mails 24/7.

[3:48:02] I know sometimes it's

[3:48:03] overwhelming because you get so

[3:48:05] many.

[3:48:06] I totally understand that.

[3:48:07] sometimes I do wish I did get

[3:48:09] some response.

[3:48:10] I don't know if there is a way

[3:48:11] to get someone help you manage

[3:48:14] your e-mails.

[3:48:15] I'm sure you're bombarded with

[3:48:17] those.

[3:48:18] I wanted to add I know what I

[3:48:20] did for start you put together

[3:48:22] an employee performance or

[3:48:24] survey of some sort.

[3:48:26] that's how you decided to move

[3:48:27] forward with the employee

[3:48:29] initiative.

[3:48:30] my question was, I mean I just

[3:48:31] wanted to know if there is a way

[3:48:33] to obtain those particular

[3:48:36] comments and copies from each

[3:48:37] staff member that you guys

[3:48:39] collected, some how.

[3:48:41] so we have a better understand

[3:48:43] on what is going on as an

[3:48:44] employee behind the scenes.

[3:48:46] a lot of times they're kind of

[3:48:48] scared to come forward.

[3:48:49] if there is a situation

[3:48:51] regarding the department or

[3:48:52] staff, colleagues, supervisors,

[3:48:55] directors.

[3:48:56] so I want, you know if we do a

[3:48:58] survey in the future I want them

[3:49:00] to know that we as a commission

[3:49:02] are looking at it and are being

[3:49:05] responsive to it, if need be.

[3:49:08] if not just going into an

[3:49:10] on-line survey and nobody is

[3:49:11] looking.

[3:49:12] I think what we got from that is

[3:49:15] 79% were all happy.

[3:49:18] the other percent are medium.

[3:49:20] I want to get more details on

[3:49:22] those particular, you know other

[3:49:25] percentages that are not so

[3:49:27] happy.

[3:49:28] there are a couple of more

[3:49:31] things.

[3:49:32] I think that's pretty much it.

[3:49:33] just thank you.

[3:49:34] I'm looking forward to my,

[3:49:37] hopefully more terms here and

[3:49:39] being with you and your team.

[3:49:43] they're a big part of that,

[3:49:44] thank you to them as well.

[3:49:46] for the most part thank you for

[3:49:52] everything you have done.

[3:49:53] right.

[3:49:54] >> alright.

[3:49:55] >> thank you, deputy mayor.

[3:49:56] mark, part what had we're doing

[3:49:58] here tonight is not only talking

[3:50:03] to you but we're also talking to

[3:50:06] the community.

[3:50:07] equally important talking to

[3:50:10] your staff.

[3:50:11] because of the time, we still

[3:50:13] have other reviews to do

[3:50:14] tonight.

[3:50:15] I will truncate and adopt a lot

[3:50:18] of comments already made.

[3:50:21] I thank you for the outline of

[3:50:23] accomplishments as well as

[3:50:25] suggestions in areas that you

[3:50:27] know we need to, as a city, look

[3:50:30] at in the future.

[3:50:31] on a personal level I want to

[3:50:33] thank you for your honesty and

[3:50:35] transparency.

[3:50:36] your willingness to challenge

[3:50:41] ideas and do it in a way that is

[3:50:43] always based upon the facts and

[3:50:45] the best interest of the city.

[3:50:47] it's hard to translate that into

[3:50:50] a review.

[3:50:51] I think my colleagues have at

[3:50:53] various times commented the same

[3:50:55] way.

[3:50:56] they appreciate your honesty.

[3:50:58] it's something that is not

[3:50:59] identified as a bullet point in

[3:51:01] what you provided as backup.

[3:51:03] it's so incredibly important as

[3:51:06] each of us navigate, not only

[3:51:09] the issues for sunrise but we

[3:51:12] each have some roll and regional

[3:51:14] issues and your advice and

[3:51:17] experience, relationships

[3:51:19] throughout the county are

[3:51:20] incredibly important.

[3:51:24] in short I'm a hundred percent

[3:51:26] supportive in you mark, in all

[3:51:28] you have done for us.

[3:51:30] I feel blessed you're our city

[3:51:33] manager through this difficult

[3:51:35] time.

[3:51:36] we have had some very tough

[3:51:37] conversations about how to

[3:51:39] handle covid.

[3:51:40] it's not something that there is

[3:51:42] a play book.

[3:51:43] you have had to work through

[3:51:44] this in a challenging way.

[3:51:47] I appreciate that as I'm sure my

[3:51:50] colleagues do.

[3:51:51] that you're always there to

[3:51:53] provide honest and complete

[3:51:55] discussion addressing each of my

[3:51:57] points and then trying to adopt

[3:51:59] the best policies for city.

[3:52:04] thank you for your commitment to

[3:52:06] the city.

[3:52:07] I look forward to working with

[3:52:09] you directly over the next year.

[3:52:11] >> thank you, mayor.

[3:52:13] I think when we first met you

[3:52:15] were the community development

[3:52:17] director.

[3:52:18] then assistant city manager.

[3:52:21] now city manager for the last 18

[3:52:24] months, 17 months.

[3:52:26] >> since july.

[3:52:27] >> july, okay.

[3:52:30] I echo a lot of my colleagues

[3:52:33] comments tonight.

[3:52:36] I had a opportunity to review

[3:52:40] the city memorandum and the

[3:52:42] budget to see how that's

[3:52:44] structured and organized this

[3:52:45] year.

[3:52:46] e-mails.

[3:52:47] I get a lot of e-mails from you.

[3:52:49] the action line reporting that I

[3:52:54] think is instrumental over the

[3:52:56] last year as well as the change

[3:52:58] order tracking reports.

[3:53:01] I really appreciate that.

[3:53:04] it's hard to keep everything on

[3:53:10] your mind.

[3:53:11] I have to look and see what

[3:53:23] you're tracking.

[3:53:24] all of this demonstrates your

[3:53:30] achievements as city manager

[3:53:32] last year and this year.

[3:53:34] with your respect to decision

[3:53:36] making and judgements I feel you

[3:53:39] demonstrate analysis for

[3:53:43] progress, opportunities, and

[3:53:45] needs and changes for sunrise

[3:53:47] and the city organization.

[3:53:49] your advice and guidance to me

[3:53:51] has been instrumental in my

[3:53:53] decision making.

[3:53:54] I believe your guidance and

[3:53:56] decision making has been

[3:53:57] instrumental to the city success

[3:53:59] this year.

[3:54:01] with respect to your personal

[3:54:02] development I find that you

[3:54:04] recruit and retain a diverse

[3:54:07] staff.

[3:54:08] I think the addition of sean and

[3:54:10] other executive management

[3:54:12] personnel to the city manager

[3:54:14] office and leadership team has

[3:54:16] been instrumental to our success

[3:54:18] as well.

[3:54:19] I don't think we would of had

[3:54:21] the same success without those

[3:54:23] team members being present.

[3:54:28] although I'm giving you the

[3:54:30] review, I am reviewing your

[3:54:32] executive management team.

[3:54:34] I think you do have a great

[3:54:36] executive management team to

[3:54:38] continue making you successful.

[3:54:42] I hope these words carry down to

[3:54:45] them.

[3:54:46] the reporting as I said, over

[3:54:48] our last city manager I almost

[3:54:51] felt like everything was a choke

[3:54:53] point.

[3:54:54] where it would go to him.

[3:54:55] he would have the ultimate say

[3:54:57] and nothing else would get out.

[3:54:58] I feel with your management,

[3:55:00] leadership style I can get an

[3:55:03] e-mail from sean or emily or tim

[3:55:06] or kevin.

[3:55:08] I almost feel there is a

[3:55:10] delegation.

[3:55:11] that you truly trust your staff

[3:55:13] members and the reporting and

[3:55:15] quality of reporting over the

[3:55:18] last year has greatly increased.

[3:55:20] I think that demonstrates your

[3:55:22] trust in your staff and making

[3:55:24] sure our organization is

[3:55:25] successful.

[3:55:26] I congratulate you on that.

[3:55:28] I think that's the proper

[3:55:31] leadership style in this day of

[3:55:33] age for our organization.

[3:55:35] I think that's reflected

[3:55:36] throughout all of our charter

[3:55:39] officers as we will address them

[3:55:41] later on.

[3:55:42] I think your planning and

[3:55:44] organizing skills are very good.

[3:55:45] I think you work well with the

[3:55:48] commission and executive

[3:55:49] management team.

[3:55:51] I think you are developing

[3:55:52] strategies constantly to achieve

[3:55:55] the city goals.

[3:55:57] most fiscally and financially.

[3:55:59] I'm happy you presented a

[3:56:02] structured balanced budget this

[3:56:04] year.

[3:56:07] I am amazed with your covid

[3:56:10] pandemic response initiatives.

[3:56:12] I think that's been instrumental

[3:56:14] for us and our community as a

[3:56:16] whole.

[3:56:18] your interpersonal skills, I

[3:56:20] think you continue to build

[3:56:21] respect throughout our

[3:56:24] organization.

[3:56:25] I know when we hired you

[3:56:29] everyone was happy I think you

[3:56:32] raised the row file for the city

[3:56:33] of sunrise.

[3:56:34] I find you work well with your

[3:56:38] staff.

[3:56:39] finance committee, charter

[3:56:40] officer commission, preparing

[3:56:42] the budgets, monitoring,

[3:56:45] initiating changes like the

[3:56:47] covid pandemic we had to go

[3:56:49] through.

[3:56:50] I do find your interpersonal

[3:56:52] skills very well.

[3:56:54] I feel you have kept me fully

[3:56:57] informed in a time leeway.

[3:57:00] the important factors.

[3:57:04] this is evidence from the

[3:57:05] numerous e-mails and phone calls

[3:57:07] that which have.

[3:57:08] I feel you have provided me

[3:57:10] support and back up for

[3:57:12] ordinances, resolutions,

[3:57:14] economic development, long term

[3:57:17] community planning,

[3:57:18] infrastructure improvements and

[3:57:20] personal issues with the

[3:57:21] organization.

[3:57:22] I do believe you represent the

[3:57:24] city well to it's constituents,

[3:57:27] government agencies, other

[3:57:28] elected officials and the

[3:57:29] general public.

[3:57:30] we have recognized our

[3:57:32] commission, our commission

[3:57:33] recognizes you and our staff.

[3:57:36] I'm sure that trend will

[3:57:39] continue.

[3:57:40] I like when you push back.

[3:57:44] I don't want someone sitting if

[3:57:45] the chair that will just let

[3:57:47] people walk over them.

[3:57:48] I have seen you force on issues

[3:57:52] up here and you maintain your

[3:57:54] ground.

[3:57:55] I do respect that.

[3:57:56] I hope that continues.

[3:57:57] I like when you say you're

[3:58:00] transparent as we were in the

[3:58:03] residents leadership academy the

[3:58:06] other day it was easy to talk

[3:58:08] about our successes.

[3:58:09] part of transparency is

[3:58:11] recognizing our failures.

[3:58:13] it's at times hard to do.

[3:58:16] it's our job to recognize that,

[3:58:18] learn from that and move on.

[3:58:20] I think that's an admirable

[3:58:22] quality to have.

[3:58:23] I think more people learn twice

[3:58:25] as much from failures than any

[3:58:28] successes.

[3:58:29] as we move forward I'm confident

[3:58:31] in your ability to lead our

[3:58:34] organization.

[3:58:35] I am also confident you will

[3:58:38] assure adequate control and

[3:58:40] funding with maintaining sound

[3:58:43] financial practices through our

[3:58:45] organization.

[3:58:46] as evidence tonight.

[3:58:47] is there something we ask do.

[3:58:50] as much as everyone would like

[3:58:51] to get involved in that ish a

[3:58:53] that was the right call, right

[3:58:56] judgment.

[3:58:57] I do believe you're doing a very

[3:59:01] good job for the time you have

[3:59:03] been here.

[3:59:04] I look forward to working with

[3:59:05] you.

[3:59:06] wish you continued success.

[3:59:08] I do find your review favorable.

[3:59:11] thank you.

[3:59:14] anyone else?

[3:59:16] >> I just want to add one more

[3:59:18] thing.

[3:59:19] I want to say thank you.

[3:59:20] there have been times I call you

[3:59:22] considering resident concerns,

[3:59:24] you have been pretty responsive.

[3:59:26] I appreciate that. You're on top

[3:59:28] of that.

[3:59:29] thank you.

[3:59:30] >> so now that we have done the

[3:59:33] performance review is there an

[3:59:36] issue on whether there is merit

[3:59:40] increase or payment, is that

[3:59:41] something we address this

[3:59:43] evening?

[3:59:44] how is the commission doing

[3:59:45] this?

[3:59:47] >> is that somewhere here in the

[3:59:50] packet?

[3:59:53] (lost audio)

[4:00:03] >> page --

[4:00:09] >> I don't have the benefit of a

[4:00:11] book.

[4:00:12] you see what it looks like.

[4:00:13] the agenda item.

[4:00:17] >> 16.

[4:00:18] >> 17d.

[4:00:19] >> 17d.

[4:00:30] >> 17d.

[4:00:33] >> background --

[4:00:34] >> I found it

[4:00:36] >> okay 2.5% is the standard

[4:00:43] step.

[4:00:44] I don't want to weight in what

[4:00:52] he deserves.

[4:00:53] I think at this stage with all

[4:00:55] going on I wouldn't want to go

[4:00:57] beyond that.

[4:00:58] so, you know, I would propose a

[4:01:01] 2.5% merit increase.

[4:01:04] obviously everyone gets -- and

[4:01:08] what not.

[4:01:09] as it relates to the merit

[4:01:12] performance review I would I

[4:01:21] would propose one step.

[4:01:22] >> one step.

[4:01:23] >> second.

[4:01:24] >> commissioner scuotto.

[4:01:27] >> I agree.

[4:01:28] >> assistant deputy mayor.

[4:01:30] >> third that.

[4:01:31] >> mayor ryan.

[4:01:32] >> I support.

[4:01:34] >> I won't get in your way, sir.

[4:01:37] congratulations.

[4:01:43] >> thank you, very much.

[4:01:44] I look forward working with the

[4:01:45] commission moving forward.

[4:01:46] I want to thank the header ship

[4:01:48] team and support.

[4:01:50] none of this happens without

[4:01:51] their work.

[4:01:52] >> good job.

[4:01:58] >> alright next one.

[4:01:59] >> -- two minute.

[4:02:01] >> let's, we have been going at

[4:02:05] it for 2: 15.

[4:02:09] let's take a fine minute recess

[4:02:12] and reset.

[4:03:47] >> video guys, ready?

[4:03:50] ms. Bravo, ready.

[4:03:55] >> yes, cementer.

[4:03:56] >> we will reconvene the

[4:03:57] meeting.

[4:03:58] give the thumbs up to the video

[4:04:00] guys.

[4:04:01] we're on 17e.

[4:04:13] ms. Kisslan the floor is yours.

[4:04:20] >> thank you.

[4:04:21] I will read my significants line

[4:04:25] by line.

[4:04:26] no.

[4:04:27] attached to the agenda is my

[4:04:29] summary of significant

[4:04:30] activities during my last

[4:04:32] performance year july 1 through

[4:04:34] june 30.

[4:04:35] I provide you regular monthly

[4:04:37] reports.

[4:04:38] I also provide you an annual

[4:04:40] august report that is required

[4:04:42] by our code.

[4:04:43] then at the end of each fiscal

[4:04:44] year I provide you a fiscal year

[4:04:46] over view.

[4:04:47] additionally each and every

[4:04:49] agenda you see work product from

[4:04:52] my office and have the

[4:04:54] opportunity to see what we have

[4:04:55] been working on.

[4:04:56] some of the things this past

[4:04:58] year we worked on included the

[4:05:02] 40,350,000-dollar special

[4:05:05] obligation bonds for the

[4:05:06] municipal complex issue.

[4:05:08] big issue and important to the

[4:05:09] city.

[4:05:10] we worked on a number of items

[4:05:12] regarding covid-19.

[4:05:13] some of which you already went

[4:05:15] over with mr. Lubelski.

[4:05:19] we selected a new fire chief.

[4:05:22] as a charter officer we worked

[4:05:24] on windsor, sunrise golf and

[4:05:31] country club regarding the

[4:05:33] city's first community district.

[4:05:35] we are working on metropic and

[4:05:39] creating a district.

[4:05:41] you touched on the daily utility

[4:05:43] evaluation.

[4:05:45] in the interest of time I won't

[4:05:46] go over this in any further

[4:05:48] detail.

[4:05:49] if there is anything that the

[4:05:51] commission would like to have

[4:05:53] more information on I'm here.

[4:05:55] >> thank you, miss kisslan.

[4:05:58] thank you mr. Scuotto for

[4:06:06] volunteering.

[4:06:07] >> no problem.

[4:06:08] kim, you're the behind the

[4:06:10] scenes person.

[4:06:11] we talking about everything that

[4:06:12] is going on physical or things

[4:06:14] that you can see, with mark.

[4:06:18] what you do is the like the

[4:06:20] wizard of oz.

[4:06:22] you're behind the scenes and you

[4:06:23] make our job so much easier.

[4:06:26] nobody would even know all of

[4:06:27] the information, the back up,

[4:06:29] the ordinance, the resolutions,

[4:06:31] the time it takes you and such a

[4:06:33] small staff.

[4:06:35] for the amount of work that is

[4:06:40] done for city manager's office,

[4:06:42] for all of the department heads,

[4:06:44] for anything that we pretty much

[4:06:47] do in the city, all of the

[4:06:49] developments, metropica.

[4:06:53] the contracts and awful that.

[4:06:54] the sawgrass mill stuff.

[4:06:56] anything development, the

[4:06:59] contracts, anything that we

[4:07:01] purchase.

[4:07:03] you pretty much have your hands

[4:07:05] in every single thing that goes

[4:07:08] on in the city.

[4:07:09] no one would even really realize

[4:07:11] what and how much you touch

[4:07:16] before it even comes to, to

[4:07:18] anybody.

[4:07:20] the amount of people that you

[4:07:22] work with.

[4:07:23] you have been short staffed for,

[4:07:25] you know how many times -- I

[4:07:29] find someone or the time that it

[4:07:32] takes you to weed out people to

[4:07:36] finally get the person you feel

[4:07:38] you can work as a team.

[4:07:42] then now again, I hope you know

[4:07:44] the person that you selected is

[4:07:46] should not that is going to be

[4:07:47] there like tom.

[4:07:50] I mean together both of you.

[4:07:54] you know you work together as a

[4:07:56] great team.

[4:07:57] he has his skills.

[4:07:59] he deals with police.

[4:08:00] a lot of the other things.

[4:08:05] he deals with the towing.

[4:08:13] I'm sure your hands are in all

[4:08:15] of it.

[4:08:16] this isn't much to say as far as

[4:08:18] what you don't do to help us

[4:08:23] make the right decisions.

[4:08:24] when there is a time I know I'm

[4:08:26] in the middle of a different

[4:08:28] thing and we need to call you as

[4:08:31] far as ethics or anything you're

[4:08:34] always there to protect us.

[4:08:36] I have been up here for 25

[4:08:38] years.

[4:08:39] in the time you have been here I

[4:08:42] don't think there was a time I

[4:08:44] voted on a item that I question

[4:08:46] I'm voting on something because

[4:08:48] I didn't feel comfortable with

[4:08:50] the wording you put in or staff

[4:08:52] put in.

[4:08:55] that I didn't catch.

[4:08:56] that got by you and we voted on

[4:08:58] something putting us in a bad

[4:09:00] situation.

[4:09:01] that has never happened.

[4:09:02] I recall when you worked with a

[4:09:11] previous lawyer, getting a

[4:09:13] contract for sunrise all they

[4:09:15] did was praise you and want to

[4:09:16] hire you.

[4:09:17] from that point when we picked

[4:09:19] you, we knew you were the person

[4:09:21] for the city.

[4:09:22] you knew -- I felt comfortable

[4:09:26] you were going to make the right

[4:09:28] decisions for us.

[4:09:29] you're a hard worker.

[4:09:33] I don't e-mail.

[4:09:34] I don't text.

[4:09:35] I wouldn't have to write a short

[4:09:39] story and you give me a one word

[4:09:42] answer.

[4:09:43] kim is very short and to the

[4:09:44] point.

[4:09:45] me I will ramble on for an hour.

[4:09:48] if I call kim for something.

[4:09:50] >> not tonight.

[4:09:51] >> I'm saying.

[4:09:52] she is specific.

[4:09:54] she knows, she is very detailed.

[4:09:56] this is the answer.

[4:10:02] I am like, well.

[4:10:04] she says, no that's the answer.

[4:10:07] I like that you're to the point.

[4:10:08] it makes it easier for us.

[4:10:11] specially for me to make a

[4:10:15] decision.

[4:10:16] I have no problem working with

[4:10:17] you.

[4:10:18] the staff is great.

[4:10:19] for the amount of people you

[4:10:20] have in the office, the boat

[4:10:21] load of work that you get is --

[4:10:25] I couldn't even say all that you

[4:10:29] and your staff does.

[4:10:31] couldn't see any department head

[4:10:34] has information to give to

[4:10:36] everybody.

[4:10:37] even the people with contracts

[4:10:38] and fill out -- I never get any

[4:10:43] input from nip that says you're

[4:10:46] the city attorney putting in the

[4:10:48] wrong information.

[4:10:49] that is why it has never come

[4:10:50] before me.

[4:10:52] I haven't seen it come before

[4:10:53] anyone.

[4:10:54] I thank you for your service.

[4:10:57] I don't think you should live in

[4:10:59] the city of sunrise.

[4:11:00] I don't want you to move.

[4:11:03] thank you.

[4:11:04] we appreciate all that you and

[4:11:05] your staff does.

[4:11:07] I am more than welcomed to give

[4:11:10] you a favorable review.

[4:11:14] >> commissioner douglas.

[4:11:15] >> thank you.

[4:11:16] >> you're welcome.

[4:11:17] >> according to commissioner

[4:11:19] scuotto lawyers are the best

[4:11:23] thing since sliced bread.

[4:11:25] >> hey.

[4:11:26] >> alright.

[4:11:29] ms. Kisslan I don't often echo

[4:11:33] commissioner scuotto I will to

[4:11:37] some extent tonight.

[4:11:38] I believe you're one of the best

[4:11:40] municipal attorneys that I know

[4:11:42] of.

[4:11:43] he's correct about the fact that

[4:11:51] you touch on pretty much

[4:11:55] everything.

[4:11:56] we have four charters.

[4:11:58] police are kind of functionally,

[4:12:01] they do their thing.

[4:12:02] they have a lot of issues that

[4:12:04] are legal.

[4:12:05] even though we have a bunch of

[4:12:07] outside council that are, deal

[4:12:09] with our specialty areas you

[4:12:12] still manage and supervise their

[4:12:14] input.

[4:12:16] I rely on your monthly activity

[4:12:20] report.

[4:12:21] a lot of times for what is going

[4:12:27] on in the city.

[4:12:28] I read it and I'm like what is

[4:12:30] this.

[4:12:31] I read kim's report.

[4:12:33] she said she is working on this

[4:12:35] thing.

[4:12:36] what is this thing.

[4:12:39] so, I knew keeping them honest.

[4:12:43] I know you're just going to put

[4:12:44] it in the report.

[4:12:46] I was working on this.

[4:12:47] often there is a good and

[4:12:54] reasonable explanation to what

[4:12:55] it was, but it helps to

[4:12:57] preinform me.

[4:13:00] it's living I can't believe kim

[4:13:02] put that in the report.

[4:13:04] I wasn't ready to discuss it

[4:13:06] with the commission yet.

[4:13:07] I do have a significant level of

[4:13:16] comfort knowing that you are

[4:13:18] reviewing the items coming

[4:13:20] before the commission.

[4:13:21] the transactions that we're

[4:13:22] engaged in.

[4:13:25] certainly as a lawyer myself I

[4:13:28] think it gives me an advantage

[4:13:30] in terms of us communicating.

[4:13:35] being able to understand your

[4:13:40] explanation.

[4:13:41] that's an advantage I take to

[4:13:43] the table.

[4:13:44] I think the people of this city,

[4:13:47] you know, what you do is way

[4:13:50] above, you know, this is

[4:13:53] specialty law.

[4:13:54] land use and all of these

[4:13:56] things.

[4:13:57] being able to answer in most

[4:13:59] cases.

[4:14:00] most cases I can recall where

[4:14:02] there was a need for a response,

[4:14:08] a question, you have generally

[4:14:10] been able to respond or say I

[4:14:13] have to look into that.

[4:14:14] which is fine with me.

[4:14:16] I don't want a speculative

[4:14:21] response or one that is

[4:14:22] grounded, in I think that's what

[4:14:25] they want to hear.

[4:14:26] I want to hear what the real

[4:14:28] deal is.

[4:14:31] so from the perspective of

[4:14:35] legally sufficient I am

[4:14:37] generally always comfortable.

[4:14:42] if I have any doubts about

[4:14:44] something I will pick up the

[4:14:45] phone and call.

[4:14:46] I tend to prefer calling unless

[4:14:49] there is a reason I feel I

[4:14:51] should e-mail.

[4:14:52] in most cases I pick up the

[4:14:55] phone to call.

[4:14:56] you know there isn't a whole

[4:15:07] much lot else to say.

[4:15:10] again I echo him, my colleague,

[4:15:13] not him but commissioner

[4:15:14] scuotto.

[4:15:16] you have been around for a long

[4:15:24] time.

[4:15:26] -- much more experience with the

[4:15:29] output of your office.

[4:15:31] as it's been pointed out you

[4:15:32] have consistently work in

[4:15:35] protecting city's interest,

[4:15:38] guiding the commission.

[4:15:39] I have often said I'm generally

[4:15:41] a liberal.

[4:15:42] in my attorney I want

[4:15:44] conservatism.

[4:15:46] I would rather you air on the

[4:15:48] side of conservatism in the

[4:15:50] opinions you give.

[4:15:53] I think you have demonstrated

[4:15:56] you're in the business to

[4:15:57] protect the cities interest and

[4:15:59] what we he gauge in is

[4:16:02] aboveboard and defensible both

[4:16:05] from a legal perspective and

[4:16:07] certainly a professional

[4:16:11] perspective.

[4:16:13] I appreciate the guidance and

[4:16:15] work that you do over all.

[4:16:17] >> thank you.

[4:16:19] >> assistant deputy mayor

[4:16:22] guzman.

[4:16:23] >> hi, hello.

[4:16:26] again in my short time being

[4:16:28] here I appreciate your

[4:16:30] knowledge.

[4:16:31] you're extremely professional.

[4:16:33] I'm thankful poor you as a woman

[4:16:36] being in the position you are.

[4:16:38] I thank you for always being

[4:16:41] available for ethics questions.

[4:16:43] you're right on top of it.

[4:16:45] black and white, you're so

[4:16:46] precise with it.

[4:16:47] like you said it's not what we

[4:16:48] want to hear.

[4:16:49] you say it like it is.

[4:16:50] I appreciate you being honest

[4:16:52] about what we have spoken about.

[4:16:56] I look forward to continuing my

[4:16:57] relationship with you and coming

[4:16:59] to you more I haven't needed too

[4:17:03] as much.

[4:17:04] I will soon.

[4:17:05] thank you again for what you do

[4:17:06] here.

[4:17:07] thank you.

[4:17:08] >> thank you.

[4:17:09] >> mayor ryan.

[4:17:10] >> thank you.

[4:17:11] ms. Kisslan, you know I'm an

[4:17:17] enormous fan of your talents.

[4:17:20] commissioner scuotto remembers

[4:17:24] the difficult time after I came

[4:17:27] on and decisions had to be made

[4:17:35] about who to hire.

[4:17:37] the first --

[4:17:41] [inaudible]

[4:17:42] -- who to hire from there.

[4:17:44] while that's not relevant to

[4:17:46] your past year's review I say it

[4:17:48] only that I think one of the

[4:17:53] best decisions the commission

[4:17:55] made was picking you as our city

[4:17:59] attorney.

[4:18:00] over the last decade you have

[4:18:02] never disappointed us in any

[4:18:06] regard.

[4:18:07] we may not always like what we

[4:18:08] hear that is the nature of

[4:18:12] getting legal advice from any

[4:18:14] lawyer.

[4:18:15] over the past year you have had

[4:18:16] to deal with tremendous

[4:18:21] uncertain times.

[4:18:22] even some bold decisions that

[4:18:25] this mission decided to make in

[4:18:27] advance of the state and other

[4:18:28] sit he's.

[4:18:30] that bore some risk in terms of

[4:18:33] potential litigation.

[4:18:35] you understood that the

[4:18:36] commission's had a policy,

[4:18:40] commitment, focus.

[4:18:41] you were able to craft a

[4:18:44] strategy that was defensible.

[4:18:47] in the end we know these were

[4:18:49] the right decisions.

[4:18:52] -- my colleagues.

[4:18:54] your outline of accomplishments

[4:18:57] does not even come close to

[4:19:00] fully highlighting what you do

[4:19:03] and what you and your staff do.

[4:19:05] you have a unique position in so

[4:19:08] far as you ultimately are

[4:19:10] reviewing much of what the other

[4:19:13] departments do at one level or

[4:19:15] another.

[4:19:16] that means at times are you

[4:19:19] going to give advice to mark or

[4:19:21] other departments that may not

[4:19:23] want to hear.

[4:19:24] you may raise issues about the

[4:19:29] timing when things are brought

[4:19:31] to the commission or extra work

[4:19:32] on your staff.

[4:19:33] you and your staff are

[4:19:36] confidentially professional.

[4:19:40] you have the best interest of

[4:19:42] the city at heart and the

[4:19:44] personnel development has been

[4:19:48] spectacular.

[4:19:49] your choice and the deep issues

[4:19:53] the commission has taken on, the

[4:19:55] city has taken on.

[4:19:57] also your choice about council.

[4:19:59] commissioner douglas said and

[4:20:01] think others will appreciate we

[4:20:06] can be pretty harsh on each

[4:20:11] other maybe it's an advantage or

[4:20:14] a curse.

[4:20:15] as it's been pointed out, the

[4:20:18] people you have chose tone help

[4:20:20] advice city is a credit to you.

[4:20:25] because we have been incredibly

[4:20:30] successful in both negotiation.

[4:20:38] what I appreciate most, if

[4:20:41] anyone has a question that can't

[4:20:43] be answered by you or mr. Moss

[4:20:45] you will bring in someone to

[4:20:47] help provide us that guidance.

[4:20:50] ultimately your transparency and

[4:20:55] monthly reports is a welcomed

[4:20:57] feature that sets a tone for all

[4:21:00] of the departments.

[4:21:03] your communication skills are

[4:21:05] appreciated and the only thing I

[4:21:07] would say differently than maybe

[4:21:09] my colleagues is that having the

[4:21:11] opportunity to work with many

[4:21:13] different city attorneys on

[4:21:15] various regional issues that I

[4:21:17] have had the opportunity.

[4:21:18] I think we have the best city

[4:21:20] attorney.

[4:21:21] the best city attorney staff.

[4:21:23] we have been able to handle

[4:21:25] incredibly complex issues in a

[4:21:28] diverse way.

[4:21:30] have kept us out of trouble.

[4:21:33] I don't mean that we seek it.

[4:21:36] but we have to be careful as a

[4:21:38] city, each department.

[4:21:39] it's a credit to your commitment

[4:21:41] to this city to us 24/7.

[4:21:48] as we said earlier --

[4:21:53] 2:00 o'clock in the morning.

[4:21:54] I have no doubt if there was an

[4:21:57] urgent issue to address over

[4:21:59] night you and your staff would

[4:22:01] be there.

[4:22:03] it's a long way to say,

[4:22:05] favorable.

[4:22:07] I am very appreciate tiff, kim,

[4:22:10] of your honesty, your engagement

[4:22:17] and putting fact in when

[4:22:20] necessary.

[4:22:21] thank you.

[4:22:22] again nice working with you.

[4:22:24] working with mark I feel blessed

[4:22:29] as you being our city attorney.

[4:22:31] >> thank you.

[4:22:32] >> ms. Kisslan, you're the only

[4:22:35] city attorney I know.

[4:22:37] it's been a blessing.

[4:22:41] sitting up here with your

[4:22:42] guidance.

[4:22:45] in preparation of your review I

[4:22:47] had a chance to speak with you.

[4:22:50] the memo in the back up of this

[4:22:52] agenda.

[4:22:57] I reviews your monthly reports

[4:22:59] and legal spreadsheet.

[4:23:00] I feel all of the documents and

[4:23:02] presentation identify your

[4:23:05] significant achievements and

[4:23:07] objectives.

[4:23:08] your decision making is second

[4:23:10] to none.

[4:23:11] I foal you demonstrate quality

[4:23:13] of analysis related to progress

[4:23:16] for the city of sunrise

[4:23:18] organization.

[4:23:19] your legal advice and legal

[4:23:21] guidance to me and this

[4:23:22] commission and the city and our

[4:23:23] city staff has been instrument

[4:23:27] al to decision making going on

[4:23:29] throughout city and the ultimate

[4:23:31] success of our city.

[4:23:34] as I told you when we walked in

[4:23:36] tonight, it's not lip service.

[4:23:38] you're one of the smartest and

[4:23:40] brightest lawyers I have ever

[4:23:43] met, I believe in you as our

[4:23:46] city attorney.

[4:23:47] I believe you recruit and retain

[4:23:49] a diverse staff.

[4:23:50] very pleased with your new hire

[4:23:52] this evening.

[4:23:53] look forward to working with

[4:23:54] him.

[4:23:55] tom moss and the whole legal

[4:23:58] support team is always there for

[4:24:00] us.

[4:24:01] it's a credit to your success

[4:24:02] and your management and

[4:24:03] leadership style and personal

[4:24:06] development.

[4:24:07] planning and organizing as a

[4:24:10] lawyer that's what we do.

[4:24:11] we plan and organize.

[4:24:12] over and over.

[4:24:14] I feel that you work well with

[4:24:16] commission, the staffs, and

[4:24:21] throughout the organization

[4:24:24] develop strategies to achieve

[4:24:25] the city's mission goals and

[4:24:27] financial liability.

[4:24:29] your work on your general

[4:24:30] obligation bond, special

[4:24:32] allegation bonds all strange to

[4:24:34] me, it's a foreign language.

[4:24:36] some how you get it to me and

[4:24:37] I'm able to understand it.

[4:24:39] I do appreciate that work on

[4:24:41] that.

[4:24:42] and then the unprecedented

[4:24:46] coronavirus issues.

[4:24:48] you work through transition,

[4:24:51] remote and virtual, now back to

[4:24:54] in-person and hybrid.

[4:24:57] you keeping us all out of

[4:25:02] trouble with your ethics opinion

[4:25:05] and advice.

[4:25:06] I can't comment enough on how

[4:25:07] well I find your organization

[4:25:10] skills.

[4:25:13] I feel as mayor ryan pointed out

[4:25:15] a moment ago your reputation

[4:25:19] buildings respect and profile

[4:25:21] for the city of sunrise.

[4:25:23] throughout the city attorneys,

[4:25:25] county and regional.

[4:25:27] I truly believe you're the best,

[4:25:29] knowing only one.

[4:25:30] not a lot to compare but I know

[4:25:33] in my heart you're the best.

[4:25:35] I find that you work well with

[4:25:37] staff.

[4:25:38] finance committee, the

[4:25:40] commission, preparing budgets,

[4:25:42] monitoring progress, initiate

[4:25:45] changes in operations as

[4:25:46] appropriate.

[4:25:47] you have kept me fully informed,

[4:25:49] always check in on me.

[4:25:51] as a lawyer I like to figure

[4:25:53] things out myself and read.

[4:25:56] now that mr. Douglas has let the

[4:25:59] cat out of the bag.

[4:26:00] I do too look at your litigation

[4:26:03] reports to see what is going on

[4:26:05] with the city.

[4:26:06] I thought I was the only one

[4:26:08] sneaky on that. I do appreciate

[4:26:15] your monthly reporting.

[4:26:16] you have always provided sound

[4:26:18] legal advice.

[4:26:19] as a lawyer clients should

[4:26:21] listen to their lawyers.

[4:26:23] I feel I'm your client.

[4:26:25] I always listen to my lawyer

[4:26:27] when they give sound legal

[4:26:29] advice.

[4:26:30] your work on ordinances,

[4:26:31] resolutions, ethics, sunshine

[4:26:34] law is all top notch.

[4:26:36] I believe you represent the city

[4:26:38] of sunrise well.

[4:26:40] constituents -- general public.

[4:26:45] you know confident that all of

[4:26:49] the legal issues are in

[4:26:52] compliance with federal and

[4:26:53] local regulations.

[4:26:55] I am confident you have adequate

[4:26:59] control of accounting and all

[4:27:02] funds with sound financial

[4:27:03] practices.

[4:27:04] I'm very pleased to find your

[4:27:06] performance excellent.

[4:27:08] so, thank you.

[4:27:11] >> thank you.

[4:27:12] >> alright.

[4:27:14] and going --

[4:27:20] [inaudible]

[4:27:21] >> you like that.

[4:27:22] I'm practicing.

[4:27:24] alright we're going to her item

[4:27:28] description.

[4:27:29] I think it says after a finding

[4:27:32] of a favorable annual review

[4:27:35] pursuant to conditions of 7,

[4:27:37] approved by majority vote of the

[4:27:39] city commission employee should

[4:27:41] be eligible for a annual mir it

[4:27:45] increase.

[4:27:46] anyone witch to have any comment

[4:27:49] on the annual merit increase for

[4:27:52] miss kisslan.

[4:27:54] commissioner scuotto,

[4:27:57] volunteering.

[4:27:58] thank you.

[4:27:59] >> I mean if we want to be

[4:28:00] consistent with the charter

[4:28:02] officers and go with the same --

[4:28:06] so.

[4:28:07] >> I will second that.

[4:28:08] >> I agree with that.

[4:28:10] >> ms. Guzman.

[4:28:13] >> yes.

[4:28:14] >> mayor ryan, did you hear

[4:28:15] that?

[4:28:16] it's a conscience of us here we

[4:28:19] would like to be consistent

[4:28:20] across the board with the

[4:28:21] charter.

[4:28:22] mayor ryan.

[4:28:29] is he still on the phone?

[4:28:33] >> they muted me.

[4:28:35] >> oh.

[4:28:36] >> they're not the first ones

[4:28:39] that have wanted to do that.

[4:28:40] >> I can we keep that feature.

[4:28:43] just kidding.

[4:28:44] >> when I'm there.

[4:28:47] I said I support.

[4:28:50] >> excellent, congratulations.

[4:28:53] >> thank you, very much.

[4:28:54] our direction comes from the

[4:28:55] top.

[4:28:56] thank you for all of the kudos

[4:28:57] to my staff.

[4:28:58] I will relay them too.

[4:29:00] >> good job.

[4:29:02] >> next victim.

[4:29:06] >> alright.

[4:29:08] 17f.

[4:29:09] police chief annual review.

[4:29:11] commission discussion and or

[4:29:12] action regarding the annual

[4:29:13] review and evaluation of the

[4:29:17] police chief, police chief

[4:29:19] anthony rosa.

[4:29:22] the floor is yours.

[4:29:23] >> thank you, commissioner.

[4:29:24] I want to thank you all for the

[4:29:26] opportunity to, you know serve

[4:29:28] as the police chief for the city

[4:29:30] of sunrise.

[4:29:32] it's a honor to serve as chief

[4:29:35] in a city such as this.

[4:29:37] there is an attachment to the

[4:29:39] background.

[4:29:40] I won't go through the whole

[4:29:41] thing.

[4:29:42] >> please don't.

[4:29:43] >> it's too long.

[4:29:44] >> I did want to say though we

[4:29:45] have been very successful in the

[4:29:47] police department in partnering

[4:29:49] with the community as a way to

[4:29:51] keep the crime at bay and to

[4:29:52] improve the quality of life for

[4:29:54] our residents.

[4:29:55] as best the police department

[4:29:57] can do.

[4:29:58] even with all of the challenges

[4:30:00] out in the world today.

[4:30:02] covid is a huge challenge.

[4:30:03] there is a cry in the law

[4:30:07] enforcement word or criminal

[4:30:10] justice world for social

[4:30:12] justice.

[4:30:13] the sunrise police department

[4:30:14] has been able to recognize that,

[4:30:16] adapt our method of policing in

[4:30:18] a manner that is consistent with

[4:30:20] community expectations and

[4:30:22] community requirements.

[4:30:23] I think we have been successful

[4:30:25] with that.

[4:30:27] police department is engaged

[4:30:28] with this community.

[4:30:30] like has never happened in the

[4:30:32] history of the police

[4:30:33] department.

[4:30:34] we are out there and engaged.

[4:30:38] I, I usually I think you

[4:30:40] recognize this and the

[4:30:41] commission recognizes I troy to

[4:30:43] stay humble about things.

[4:30:45] I won't be for now, for one

[4:30:47] aspect of the police department.

[4:30:49] the men and women of the sunrise

[4:30:51] police department are second to

[4:30:52] none.

[4:30:53] they're getting this done.

[4:30:55] you know because of their hard

[4:30:57] work.

[4:30:58] because of their efforts of my

[4:30:59] command staff, mid level

[4:31:01] management and line police

[4:31:03] officers other agencies.

[4:31:06] I have talked to chiefs and

[4:31:08] leaders from other cities they

[4:31:10] see our programs, see our

[4:31:12] effectiveness in the police

[4:31:14] department.

[4:31:15] they try to emulate us.

[4:31:16] I read an article today about a

[4:31:18] south florida --

[4:31:20] >> delray beach.

[4:31:22] >> ice cream truck.

[4:31:25] just came to them.

[4:31:26] >> I think it's a testament to a

[4:31:29] successful.

[4:31:30] I have had most of the police

[4:31:31] chiefs come to the police

[4:31:33] department and ask us how we do

[4:31:35] that.

[4:31:36] I use that as an example.

[4:31:38] I will go back to being humble

[4:31:40] now.

[4:31:41] I think that shows the

[4:31:42] dedication of the men and women

[4:31:44] of the sunrise police

[4:31:45] department.

[4:31:46] we remain a fully a credited

[4:31:53] agency in the state of florida.

[4:31:55] we do audits and inspections of

[4:31:57] ourselves to make sure we

[4:31:58] perform at the highest standard

[4:32:01] we can.

[4:32:02] we adapt when we don't think we

[4:32:03] are and make that judgment call.

[4:32:06] so, you know I'm not going to

[4:32:07] continue to go on.

[4:32:08] I will let you know I'm

[4:32:10] committed to continue leading

[4:32:12] the men and women of the sunrise

[4:32:14] police department in the future

[4:32:15] and do the best we can for our

[4:32:17] residents.

[4:32:18] thank you.

[4:32:19] >> thank you, chief.

[4:32:20] commissioner scuotto.

[4:32:22] >> do I really have to.

[4:32:24] this is like when mayor ryan

[4:32:25] made me start off with something

[4:32:27] else.

[4:32:28] I was the first one having to

[4:32:29] start off --

[4:32:30] >> I know where to go.

[4:32:31] >> I don't mind.

[4:32:32] chief, I have a long history

[4:32:39] here in sunrise.

[4:32:40] I have been here for 42 years.

[4:32:43] we have always.

[4:32:44] my family has always had a good

[4:32:46] relationship with the police

[4:32:47] department.

[4:32:48] even me as a kid.

[4:32:52] sunset strip.

[4:32:54] the a-frame police station.

[4:32:56] one of the guys living on my

[4:32:58] block, jerry o. He was one of

[4:33:01] the dispatchers.

[4:33:07] there were only a few at the

[4:33:08] time.

[4:33:09] he got my brother chippy a job

[4:33:12] working as a dispatcher.

[4:33:13] they had a gate that had a

[4:33:16] buzzer.

[4:33:17] they would buz you to go in.

[4:33:20] a wooden gate.

[4:33:21] I would go there on the weekend

[4:33:23] to my brother would make me sit

[4:33:26] there.

[4:33:27] I was a kid, 11 years old.

[4:33:29] I would hit the buzzer.

[4:33:31] the guy said, if I do it one

[4:33:34] more time, the guy, o. I won't

[4:33:37] say what he said.

[4:33:38] I'm just saying.

[4:33:39] from that time you know we

[4:33:42] always were involved with the

[4:33:43] police department.

[4:33:46] I have been through a lot of

[4:33:48] different chiefs.

[4:33:49] I will say sometimes change

[4:33:53] changes people.

[4:33:56] when chief boyet was here he

[4:34:00] first initiated computers to the

[4:34:04] police officers.

[4:34:05] we didn't have computers: chief

[4:34:10] brooks brought a different

[4:34:11] perspective.

[4:34:13] now yourself.

[4:34:16] you are probably one of the

[4:34:18] youngest chiefs not only for

[4:34:20] sunrise but probably around.

[4:34:24] you have showed enthusiasm of so

[4:34:28] many different things that you

[4:34:30] do in the department.

[4:34:33] whether you continue to do some

[4:34:34] things that each of them have

[4:34:39] done and continue to do the

[4:34:40] programs and there are things

[4:34:42] you have added.

[4:34:43] you have grown.

[4:34:44] you will grow a hot.

[4:34:46] because some of your police

[4:34:47] officers are older than you.

[4:34:49] so I'm sure you get a lot of

[4:34:54] feedback from them knowing that

[4:34:57] you know they have been around a

[4:34:59] long time.

[4:35:01] you have made more appointments

[4:35:05] then any chief probably in the

[4:35:07] history sunrise in such a short

[4:35:10] period of time.

[4:35:11] you have made more sergeants,

[4:35:13] lieutenants, majors, deputy

[4:35:17] chiefs.

[4:35:18] I'm just saying you have got to

[4:35:20] do it all.

[4:35:21] not all of your positions were

[4:35:29] maybe the right choice.

[4:35:32] could of been right choice for

[4:35:34] the time.

[4:35:37] this is what it is.

[4:35:41] one thing chief brooks always

[4:35:44] said round peg in a road hole.

[4:35:47] don't stuff something else in,

[4:35:49] it won't fit.

[4:35:50] it's also a learning curve.

[4:35:52] you have to feel who will be

[4:35:54] under you.

[4:35:55] side by side with you.

[4:35:56] through all of this.

[4:36:01] you mention different aspects of

[4:36:03] how the pandemic and how social

[4:36:07] things that are going on out

[4:36:08] there.

[4:36:09] we put it this way.

[4:36:11] we don't see any of that in the

[4:36:13] city.

[4:36:14] because we have always been on

[4:36:16] the proactive side.

[4:36:17] when community policing was

[4:36:23] introduced that was boyet's

[4:36:26] first thing.

[4:36:27] they did that in brooklyn

[4:36:28] because cops walked a beat.

[4:36:31] they actually walked.

[4:36:32] they had different things.

[4:36:33] they had housing.

[4:36:34] they had transit.

[4:36:35] many different things.

[4:36:36] they also had two cops in a car.

[4:36:42] here it's different.

[4:36:43] you have one cop in a car.

[4:36:45] sometimes it's different because

[4:36:46] that one cop is now the boss.

[4:36:49] he doesn't have a partner to

[4:36:51] bounce things off.

[4:36:52] police, I mean fire is not one

[4:36:54] person.

[4:36:56] it's either multiple people on

[4:36:58] the rescue or multiple people on

[4:37:00] the fire truck.

[4:37:01] so it's living they work as a

[4:37:03] team.

[4:37:04] not to say you don't.

[4:37:05] so it's just a different way out

[4:37:07] there.

[4:37:08] we don't look at it like that.

[4:37:10] all of the programs that you do.

[4:37:12] is mostly all of the involvement

[4:37:20] you do in the community.

[4:37:21] the resource officers started in

[4:37:28] the high schools.

[4:37:29] then sunrise went to middle

[4:37:31] school and then elementary

[4:37:33] school.

[4:37:34] by brooks starting the lemonade

[4:37:36] stands and burger and hot doggy

[4:37:38] vents.

[4:37:39] we're always engaged in the

[4:37:40] community.

[4:37:41] people like, you're not just

[4:37:42] giving out free food.

[4:37:43] you're going to a neighborhood

[4:37:46] of the hundred or two hundred

[4:37:48] people you serve maybe five of

[4:37:52] them come to you and say see

[4:37:54] that house right had there.

[4:37:55] see that business there.

[4:37:57] did you ski the car right there.

[4:37:59] so it's more as a information

[4:38:02] gathering too.

[4:38:03] we're always proactive.

[4:38:07] you know previous city managers

[4:38:10] always worry about blight.

[4:38:12] always said we will never have

[4:38:14] blight.

[4:38:15] it could happen.

[4:38:18] we don't make it happen.

[4:38:19] you can drive around any

[4:38:21] business.

[4:38:22] there are no boards.

[4:38:23] we have tops on the roof because

[4:38:26] a hurricane.

[4:38:27] we don't have boarded up stores,

[4:38:28] broken windows.

[4:38:32] so I think your following to me.

[4:38:34] in the same footsteps what had

[4:38:36] we have had.

[4:38:38] we continue.

[4:38:40] I enjoy working with you.

[4:38:42] you have a great command staff.

[4:38:44] there is probably no one better

[4:38:46] than who you have standing,

[4:38:50] sitting back there.

[4:38:51] apologize that your standing at

[4:38:54] a podium where the two previous

[4:38:56] people are sitting as a desk.

[4:38:58] now a little more comfortable.

[4:38:59] it's you at the podium.

[4:39:02] the only difference is I will

[4:39:07] put back on the agenda that you

[4:39:11] will do a report and the fire

[4:39:14] chief will do a report.

[4:39:16] it's good that you get to get

[4:39:18] what we have to do like right

[4:39:20] now.

[4:39:21] this is difficult for us to sit

[4:39:23] up here and evaluate ate you.

[4:39:25] right or kim, mark, felicia.

[4:39:34] imagine if I sat there and you

[4:39:37] five that we're interviewing.

[4:39:39] I'm sure there are a lot of

[4:39:40] things --

[4:39:41] >> we wouldn't hire you.

[4:39:44] >> I'm just saying in a general.

[4:39:46] you know.

[4:39:47] it's very difficult for you to

[4:39:52] take from what we say.

[4:39:54] if it was on a negative.

[4:39:55] we like working with the people

[4:40:01] we.

[4:40:02] have think we have a good

[4:40:03] working group.

[4:40:04] it's hard to find the negative

[4:40:06] sometimes.

[4:40:07] I think we work so well.

[4:40:11] it's different when people are

[4:40:14] always competing.

[4:40:15] you know if, this is my personal

[4:40:19] opinion, if the mayor was from a

[4:40:21] district and all of us were from

[4:40:23] a district I think it would be a

[4:40:25] little different.

[4:40:26] we would fight among each other

[4:40:28] for different things.

[4:40:29] you're working for the whole,

[4:40:31] you're working for us.

[4:40:33] you're not worried about just

[4:40:35] the e side or west side.

[4:40:38] just a mall or a business.

[4:40:40] you worry about everyone and

[4:40:42] everything.

[4:40:43] it's a tough part to do that you

[4:40:46] are doing.

[4:40:47] then also have to worry about

[4:40:49] what is going on in other

[4:40:50] communities surrounding us.

[4:40:54] what problems and issues they

[4:40:55] have.

[4:40:56] because we have cities on either

[4:41:01] side of us and everyone else has

[4:41:03] something going on.

[4:41:04] it's good to know that you are

[4:41:06] an elected by your peers as the

[4:41:10] fire chief association where you

[4:41:12] have that good relationship with

[4:41:14] people and you have the good

[4:41:16] relationship with other cities

[4:41:18] where you guys can collaborate

[4:41:20] together on a normal basis and

[4:41:23] help each other.

[4:41:24] the same way we have with the

[4:41:27] ems where if a call comes in, if

[4:41:32] tamarack is the closest or

[4:41:35] lauder hill or plantation is the

[4:41:38] closest, who ever is they're the

[4:41:40] first one on scene.

[4:41:41] so, you know your communication

[4:41:46] skills with me are, you know

[4:41:48] dynamite.

[4:41:49] I do get calls at 1:00 o'clock,

[4:41:52] 2:00 o'clock, 3:00 o'clock in

[4:41:54] the morning.

[4:41:55] ill don't mind.

[4:41:56] I don't e-mail.

[4:41:57] I don't text.

[4:41:58] that may annoy you, you get the

[4:42:00] text and have to wake up to

[4:42:02] actually call my.

[4:42:04] that's part of the way you make

[4:42:05] the big bucks.

[4:42:08] I wish you the best.

[4:42:10] you have a great staff.

[4:42:11] the men and women of your

[4:42:13] department.

[4:42:15] I don't really hear anything

[4:42:17] negative about you from them.

[4:42:21] I wish you the best of luck.

[4:42:23] continue to do what you're

[4:42:24] doing.

[4:42:27] you definitely get a favor able

[4:42:29] from me.

[4:42:30] >> thank you.

[4:42:31] >> you're welcome.

[4:42:32] >> commissioner douglas.

[4:42:33] >> thank you, deputy mayor.

[4:42:40] so, mr. Police chief years ago a

[4:42:45] couple of years ago obviously

[4:42:49] one of the first tasks I had

[4:42:55] joining the commission was to

[4:42:57] weight in on who would be the

[4:42:59] next police chief.

[4:43:01] obviously different ideas about

[4:43:03] where we wanted to go and who

[4:43:05] the leadership should be were

[4:43:07] thrown out.

[4:43:08] ultimately this commission chose

[4:43:14] you.

[4:43:15] I think it was largely stated

[4:43:16] that your community policing

[4:43:22] philosophy won the day as you

[4:43:25] indicated it.

[4:43:28] it has born itself out.

[4:43:31] since you have been chief.

[4:43:34] you know there was a mention

[4:43:38] about the social demands that

[4:43:42] have been made not just in

[4:43:44] sunrise or broward or florida,

[4:43:47] but across this nation.

[4:43:49] for some adjustment.

[4:43:52] think the population continues

[4:43:53] to support police.

[4:43:55] some adjustment in how we police

[4:43:57] our communities.

[4:43:58] I think one of the advantages we

[4:44:09] have is police leadership that

[4:44:11] is geared towards you being

[4:44:13] flexible in that regard because

[4:44:14] you already believe that. I can

[4:44:17] imagine there are many

[4:44:18] communities where there needs to

[4:44:19] be a change.

[4:44:20] there needs to be a shift.

[4:44:22] now the leadership has to now be

[4:44:26] pulling teeth with their police.

[4:44:29] in order to shift that

[4:44:30] direction.

[4:44:31] so I think we're lucky for

[4:44:33] having chosen a leader that is

[4:44:40] already philosophically bent in

[4:44:47] that direction.

[4:44:48] obviously it's a challenge

[4:44:51] leading with the turn overs that

[4:44:52] have occurred.

[4:44:55] my colleague indicated that you

[4:44:57] have appointed more people than

[4:45:01] anyone in history.

[4:45:03] I guess he has history to say

[4:45:06] so.

[4:45:07] he went back and knows this more

[4:45:08] so than I would, I couldn't put

[4:45:10] a number on it I certainly by

[4:45:12] observation would see that there

[4:45:16] is quite a bit.

[4:45:17] some of it thankfully . So I'm

[4:45:23] not crying any tears.

[4:45:24] obviously some would come

[4:45:28] naturally.

[4:45:29] if there are three potential

[4:45:34] leaders of a different they

[4:45:36] would have different philosophic

[4:45:39] al bent.

[4:45:40] some in the second tier

[4:45:42] leadership may not feel they

[4:45:44] would do well in the ultimate

[4:45:46] leader.

[4:45:47] whether it's you or any prior

[4:45:48] colleague that competed for the

[4:45:51] job.

[4:45:52] who ever got the job -p they

[4:45:55] probably would of resulted in

[4:45:56] some attrition as a result of

[4:45:59] living up to this leader's

[4:46:02] expectation or how would you

[4:46:04] like to change.

[4:46:05] it's obviously something that

[4:46:12] generates risk.

[4:46:16] however where you have high turn

[4:46:23] overs especially at this senior

[4:46:25] level.

[4:46:26] I don't think you can you can't

[4:46:29] really just train judgment into

[4:46:31] somebody.

[4:46:32] you need to develop that

[4:46:36] experience overtime.

[4:46:40] you don't want a rookie becoming

[4:46:43] a lieutenant over night.

[4:46:44] often times we, we may have for

[4:46:48] example an event and the

[4:46:53] lieutenant is the highest level

[4:46:54] of command on the scene.

[4:46:58] they maybe called ton to make

[4:47:01] quick decision that's can't wait

[4:47:03] for the major or deputy chief or

[4:47:08] chief.

[4:47:09] he want to authorize and develop

[4:47:10] our sergeants appropriately

[4:47:13] develop our lieutenants

[4:47:14] appropriately before they get

[4:47:16] more responsibility.

[4:47:18] there is flex in from.

[4:47:20] thus far you have managed with

[4:47:26] the team you have and have made

[4:47:32] appropriate adjustments as

[4:47:35] necessary.

[4:47:36] pointing to the covid

[4:47:37] environment your police officers

[4:47:38] have gone above and beyond.

[4:47:42] I mean we have had for example

[4:47:44] protests in our like al

[4:47:46] community.

[4:47:47] we did not get any neck tiff

[4:47:49] feedback with respect to how our

[4:47:53] men and women went out there and

[4:47:54] policed the community.

[4:47:57] even under the most challenging

[4:48:02] of circumstances.

[4:48:03] for the more serious crimes

[4:48:06] occurring we have largely been

[4:48:08] able to get a solution to those

[4:48:10] including those that would of

[4:48:12] come into our community and

[4:48:13] caused mayhem.

[4:48:15] we have largely been able to

[4:48:18] track them down.

[4:48:19] make the arrest and bring them

[4:48:20] before the courts.

[4:48:21] obviously that is a testament to

[4:48:25] the men and women that you lead.

[4:48:27] you cheerly have the respect of

[4:48:34] your men and women.

[4:48:38] another reason I chose you, you

[4:48:39] are military.

[4:48:40] a leopard is a leopard.

[4:48:42] a wolf is a wolf.

[4:48:44] a sheep is a sheep.

[4:48:45] I didn't choose a sheep for the

[4:48:48] reasons that when you have a

[4:48:50] hierarchy of machine and women

[4:48:54] running around town with guns

[4:48:56] you need strong leadership.

[4:48:57] I believe you're that.

[4:48:59] so you though we have worked

[4:49:04] well together.

[4:49:05] covid brought challenges which

[4:49:07] your men and women have gone out

[4:49:09] there to help with food drives

[4:49:11] and different things that are

[4:49:16] sometimes outside of the scope

[4:49:17] of typical policing.

[4:49:20] and I have often said that in

[4:49:22] some areas we do over use the

[4:49:24] police.

[4:49:25] not just sunrise but generally,

[4:49:32] philosophically.

[4:49:33] there are so many areas that we

[4:49:35] use the police that may not of

[4:49:36] required police.

[4:49:37] that is a big over arching issue

[4:49:40] for policing across the country

[4:49:42] where we bring the police into

[4:49:43] contact with citizens where they

[4:49:46] probably ought not to have and

[4:49:48] it escalates into, I gave you a

[4:49:54] command.

[4:49:55] you didn't follow it.

[4:49:56] I'm taking you to the ground, or

[4:49:58] whatever language is used.

[4:50:00] next thing you know it's

[4:50:01] resisting arrest or whatever it

[4:50:04] escalates.

[4:50:07] probably we needed a different

[4:50:08] professional for that. You have

[4:50:12] been able to make the

[4:50:13] adjustments.

[4:50:14] you certainly have proven to be

[4:50:17] a leader among leaders.

[4:50:19] I have heard of the work you did

[4:50:21] with the 911, 9-11 task forces

[4:50:26] that were in place.

[4:50:27] that was more active when the

[4:50:28] formation was taking place.

[4:50:31] now you're the president of the

[4:50:35] broward county police chief

[4:50:37] association.

[4:50:40] I'm sure in that roll you have

[4:50:42] been able to work very well with

[4:50:44] our state attorneys, public

[4:50:47] defenders.

[4:50:48] other other law enforcement.

[4:50:56] you represent sunrise.

[4:50:59] I have listened to presentations

[4:51:01] you have given to other bodies,

[4:51:03] groups, community groups,

[4:51:05] etcetera, I'm always in those

[4:51:08] situations feeling a sense of

[4:51:11] pride how you represent us.

[4:51:12] in those areas that we disagree

[4:51:14] we always discuss my views and

[4:51:23] philosophies.

[4:51:24] I have used -- reference before.

[4:51:27] I won't use it tonight.

[4:51:29] having five different people

[4:51:30] coming with different

[4:51:31] philosophies on how to police

[4:51:33] and what not, obviously I don't

[4:51:35] know what your conversation is

[4:51:38] with my colleagues.

[4:51:39] all and all I think we're close

[4:51:41] together in such that you have

[4:51:42] consistently been able to keep

[4:51:45] us at peace.

[4:51:47] I commend your efforts and

[4:51:51] continue to look forward to you

[4:51:53] strengthening the department.

[4:51:57] stabilizing the leadership and

[4:52:00] keeping our community safe.

[4:52:01] >> thank you, commissioner.

[4:52:02] >> assistant governor guzman.

[4:52:05] >> with what I just heard.

[4:52:08] I thought if we had a police

[4:52:10] officer that had to be a

[4:52:11] resident that would suck that

[4:52:14] you wouldn't be here now.

[4:52:16] I'm glad you are here.

[4:52:17] >> you just have to move within

[4:52:19] six months.

[4:52:20] [laughing]

[4:52:21] I'm just saying, right.

[4:52:26] I had my first encounter with

[4:52:28] you and the police department

[4:52:30] 2016, 2017 with my son jose.

[4:52:34] as a resident I was so thankful

[4:52:37] that you were, you and your team

[4:52:39] were involved in the community.

[4:52:40] welcoming me and my son.

[4:52:42] you know showing that level of

[4:52:45] engagement and open arms into

[4:52:49] your, your building.

[4:52:50] so I want to thank you for all

[4:52:52] you have done during those

[4:52:55] years, getting to know you, the

[4:52:57] community, engagement officers.

[4:52:59] I want to commend you also for

[4:53:01] the diversity in the city.

[4:53:03] I know years ago the kind of,

[4:53:05] you know culture we had.

[4:53:07] versus now.

[4:53:08] it's really nice to see, you

[4:53:10] know not just black american

[4:53:12] officers but hispanic, and

[4:53:14] women.

[4:53:15] you have major labell.

[4:53:19] that's amazing.

[4:53:20] thank you for that part of your

[4:53:21] department.

[4:53:24] again going back to community

[4:53:26] policing.

[4:53:27] I don't think any other city

[4:53:30] anywhere.

[4:53:31] broward, miami., west palm have

[4:53:33] what you do.

[4:53:35] you're not just the ice cream

[4:53:36] and barbecues.

[4:53:37] I mean real conversations.

[4:53:39] one-on-one mentoring and getting

[4:53:46] to know individuals.

[4:53:47] east, west, central.

[4:53:49] I think there is a level of

[4:53:51] comfort to walk up to a officer

[4:53:53] and now you will have a

[4:53:56] conversation and not looked down

[4:53:59] at, like get away from me.

[4:54:02] some places are like that.

[4:54:03] they don't want to be

[4:54:04] approached.

[4:54:05] I don't see that.

[4:54:06] thank you.

[4:54:07] I also want to mention I had the

[4:54:09] opportunity to go behind the

[4:54:11] scenes and see what you do for

[4:54:13] training.

[4:54:14] I was just really, you know you

[4:54:16] don't, you don't know until you

[4:54:18] see first hand.

[4:54:19] so it's hard to speak without

[4:54:21] knowing, being in your shoes.

[4:54:23] I mean what you do, risk of your

[4:54:27] lives daily.

[4:54:28] I just, I really have a level of

[4:54:30] appreciations for the police

[4:54:32] department and the fire

[4:54:34] department.

[4:54:35] police is in front of me.

[4:54:36] so, thank you.

[4:54:38] taking the calls anytime of the

[4:54:41] day.

[4:54:42] you call me, I call you.

[4:54:43] I know I will get a response.

[4:54:45] I have questions, you're there

[4:54:47] to answer.

[4:54:48] there is nothing negative I can

[4:54:50] say I have had to encounter the

[4:54:52] last eight or nine months I have

[4:54:54] been here.

[4:54:55] so, thank you.

[4:54:56] I will add one more thing.

[4:54:57] when it comes to the social

[4:54:58] media.

[4:54:59] I man, granted your physical

[4:55:01] presence out on the bikes is

[4:55:03] great.

[4:55:04] for those who are not out in the

[4:55:05] community as much and they're,

[4:55:06] you know, the new technology we

[4:55:09] have now it's apps and social

[4:55:11] media, instagram.

[4:55:13] you name it, you guys are there,

[4:55:17] engaged, getting information,

[4:55:19] providing information, you are

[4:55:20] on top of it and set the bar.

[4:55:22] thank you.

[4:55:23] that's.

[4:55:24] announcer:

[4:55:25] >> thank you, very much.

[4:55:26] >> mayor ryan.

[4:55:27] >> thank you, deputy mayor.

[4:55:29] chief, it has been quite an

[4:55:31] amazing year.

[4:55:34] I want to begin by thanking you

[4:55:38] for dictating a policy and

[4:55:42] series of policies meant to

[4:55:47] protect the men and women.

[4:55:48] unlike perhaps in my law office

[4:55:50] or people who have worked in a

[4:55:55] office or a business, you had to

[4:55:57] protect your staff because most

[4:56:00] importantly you had to make sure

[4:56:02] they were there for the mission.

[4:56:04] I know that's been challenging.

[4:56:06] we're going through a rough time

[4:56:09] right now.

[4:56:10] between and you your command

[4:56:12] staff and the tone you set about

[4:56:13] the importance of making smart

[4:56:16] personal decisions because

[4:56:21] having officers out or having

[4:56:23] officers ill or having officers

[4:56:25] not coming to work jeopardizes

[4:56:28] the mission of protecting.

[4:56:30] that is our first job as a city.

[4:56:32] going back I want to spend very

[4:56:35] little time reflecting.

[4:56:36] I want to thank you for your

[4:56:38] leadership as commissioner

[4:56:40] douglas pointed out on the 911

[4:56:44] issues as carry forward we began

[4:56:46] the msd commission.

[4:56:49] the police chief association

[4:56:51] needed someone to testify.

[4:56:53] they chose you.

[4:56:55] your continued engagement of the

[4:56:57] leadership of the commissioned

[4:57:00] that your peers respect you.

[4:57:02] not just for technical expertise

[4:57:05] but operational and situational

[4:57:09] awareness and what you bring.

[4:57:11] I can go on about your command

[4:57:14] staff.

[4:57:15] choices are exemplary.

[4:57:16] your personal development has

[4:57:18] been as my colleagues have

[4:57:19] pointed out a model for moving

[4:57:21] forward in a time where we must.

[4:57:24] your ability to plan and

[4:57:25] organize.

[4:57:26] towards the objective is

[4:57:33] unmatched.

[4:57:34] your interpersonal skills are

[4:57:37] exemplary.

[4:57:44] each of my colleagues feel you

[4:57:47] treat them as the most important

[4:57:49] person that needs to be updated.

[4:57:51] you treat us equally.

[4:57:53] we all know you update us.

[4:57:54] I want to pause for a moment and

[4:57:56] reflect upon perhaps some of the

[4:58:00] best examples of why I believe

[4:58:02] and I think my colleagues

[4:58:04] believe we have the best police

[4:58:06] chief in the county for sure.

[4:58:09] after may 25th, 2020, the

[4:58:11] death of george floyd you took

[4:58:14] rapid action.

[4:58:16] one of the criticisms of police

[4:58:18] departments that came from prior

[4:58:23] task forces and blue rip on

[4:58:27] commissions locally organized my

[4:58:31] congressman hastings and

[4:58:33] congress woman schultz.

[4:58:36] part what had we learned that

[4:58:38] worked was for too long police

[4:58:41] departments were silent when

[4:58:42] something happened a thousand

[4:58:44] miles away.

[4:58:45] no matter how the conduct of the

[4:58:53] police officers there was

[4:58:54] silence.

[4:58:55] that silence is acquiescence.

[4:59:01] it's true there was this level

[4:59:11] of silence.

[4:59:12] your work with the police

[4:59:15] chief's association to rapidly

[4:59:17] issue a statement condemning the

[4:59:19] activity and conduct that

[4:59:21] resulted in george floyd's death

[4:59:27] sent a strong message tonight

[4:59:31] community about community

[4:59:32] policing.

[4:59:33] it's not just easy, peaceful and

[4:59:35] pop up barbecues.

[4:59:37] it's being there for tough

[4:59:39] discussions.

[4:59:40] you were further tested when the

[4:59:44] community came out to be heard

[4:59:46] and to march.

[4:59:47] we saw how other communities

[4:59:49] managed those challenging

[4:59:52] situations.

[4:59:54] while behind the scenes you and

[4:59:57] many departments were prepared

[4:59:59] for potentially the worst

[5:00:04] situation you set a tone of

[5:00:06] leadership with your command

[5:00:09] staff that was evidence to all

[5:00:16] in uniform on the street.

[5:00:17] when the marchs began in sunrise

[5:00:20] your philosophy that traffic

[5:00:24] inconvenience was not a reason

[5:00:27] to interrupt first amendment

[5:00:29] rights or allow people to be

[5:00:31] heard resulted in one of the

[5:00:33] most unusual scenes I have had

[5:00:36] the opportunity to observe in

[5:00:37] the years I have been here.

[5:00:40] that includes many of those

[5:00:42] protesters thanking you and your

[5:00:46] officers for allowing it to

[5:00:47] happen.

[5:00:48] to flow.

[5:00:50] even moments where I saw you

[5:00:51] personally get out of the car to

[5:00:53] help those who were marching in

[5:00:55] need of water or assistance.

[5:00:57] it was honest and not for a

[5:00:59] photo op.

[5:01:00] it was because you truly cared

[5:01:02] about those that were there with

[5:01:05] not only the right but the

[5:01:07] obligation to have their voices

[5:01:09] heard.

[5:01:10] as the march provided throughout

[5:01:12] sunrise and plantation and back

[5:01:14] to sunrise.

[5:01:16] at the end of the day I saw

[5:01:19] officers giving rides to some

[5:01:21] protesters who had a long way to

[5:01:23] go to cars or not feeling well.

[5:01:25] they did it with great

[5:01:29] sincereness.

[5:01:35] it's an example of the tone you

[5:01:37] set for this department that

[5:01:38] makes the difference for our

[5:01:39] community.

[5:01:40] of course you have to do all of

[5:01:42] the other things.

[5:01:43] control speeding on streets,

[5:01:44] people driving motorcycles too

[5:01:46] fast, crime that spills no our

[5:01:49] city, then cooperating with

[5:01:52] agencies at state and federal as

[5:01:55] well as local partners.

[5:01:56] that is all expect the of you.

[5:01:59] these other moments when you

[5:02:01] have set the tone for how a

[5:02:03] police department must relate

[5:02:05] with the community, must be part

[5:02:08] of the community.

[5:02:10] it's demonstrated not again when

[5:02:12] it's easy to put a barbecue up

[5:02:15] but when times could be

[5:02:16] difficult or challenging and you

[5:02:18] need to be part of a difficult

[5:02:20] situation.

[5:02:21] I thank you for your commitment,

[5:02:23] that is 24/7.

[5:02:25] I frankly don't understand where

[5:02:28] you get the energy to manage

[5:02:30] everything that you must manage

[5:02:32] and still have the time to

[5:02:35] update us on sensitive issues.

[5:02:38] I know we only get to hear a

[5:02:40] portion of what you carry in

[5:02:42] your head and what you carry to

[5:02:44] bed.

[5:02:45] what wakes you up in the middle

[5:02:47] of the night.

[5:02:48] yet you do it with a sincere and

[5:02:50] complete commitment to our city.

[5:02:51] I again will say what I said

[5:02:54] about ms. Kisslan is it mark.

[5:02:58] I'm sincerely blessed to work

[5:03:00] along side you.

[5:03:02] I thank you for your commitment

[5:03:03] to the residents, businesses,

[5:03:06] the visitors, the city,

[5:03:08] commission, staff, everything

[5:03:09] that you and your command staff

[5:03:11] and every officer throughout the

[5:03:13] department as well as our

[5:03:15] civilian support do for our

[5:03:17] community.

[5:03:18] it's a credit to your

[5:03:19] leadership.

[5:03:20] thank you, sir.

[5:03:21] >> thank you, very much mayor.

[5:03:23] >> okay, cleave.

[5:03:25] in preparation for your review

[5:03:27] we had the opportunity to talk.

[5:03:28] I reviewed your commission

[5:03:30] review.

[5:03:31] 2021 attachment in the backup.

[5:03:34] as well as many e-mails

[5:03:36] throughout the year.

[5:03:37] I find these documents clearly

[5:03:39] identified and demonstrate your

[5:03:42] significant achievements and

[5:03:43] objectives.

[5:03:44] with your decision making and

[5:03:46] judgment I find you consistently

[5:03:48] demonstrate quality of analysis

[5:03:50] and judgment related to progress

[5:03:53] and opportunities for the need

[5:03:56] of changes in the sunrise police

[5:03:58] department.

[5:03:59] you focus on targeting crime

[5:04:00] that impacts our quality of life

[5:04:02] with significant crime

[5:04:03] reduction.

[5:04:04] your guidance is instrumental in

[5:04:06] my decision making and the

[5:04:08] success of our city and police

[5:04:10] department.

[5:04:11] with respect to your personnel

[5:04:13] development.

[5:04:14] I find your command staff and

[5:04:15] organization not only the best

[5:04:17] in broward county but I would

[5:04:19] put you against anyone in

[5:04:20] florida.

[5:04:21] you recruit and retain a diverse

[5:04:24] staff.

[5:04:25] your goal to attract the cream

[5:04:26] of the crop is admirable.

[5:04:29] it reflects in your, throughout

[5:04:33] your organization.

[5:04:34] you have increased the diversity

[5:04:36] in our patrol officers and

[5:04:39] command with your appointments.

[5:04:41] I love the fact that you take

[5:04:43] the time to personally interview

[5:04:45] and meet every new recruit and

[5:04:47] officer.

[5:04:48] I find that you establish and

[5:04:49] lead an effective management

[5:04:52] team.

[5:04:53] work in collaboration of the

[5:04:54] police unions.

[5:04:56] your use of the officer of the

[5:04:57] month and promotional ceremonies

[5:05:00] allow the achievements of staff.

[5:05:04] with respect to planning and

[5:05:05] organizing I find you work well

[5:05:10] with the commission and achieve

[5:05:11] city mission goals and financial

[5:05:14] viability.

[5:05:15] I share the same vision of you.

[5:05:16] transparent, service orientated,

[5:05:19] community engaged police

[5:05:21] department.

[5:05:22] our department is guardians of

[5:05:24] the neighborhood.

[5:05:25] -- in awe of your commitment of

[5:05:38] community based events, the back

[5:05:41] to school roundup, the citizens

[5:05:43] police academy, advance academy,

[5:05:47] assault, your dedication to

[5:05:48] public information officers at

[5:05:51] community meetings.

[5:05:52] the bike patrols where you make

[5:05:54] officers get off the bikes, give

[5:05:57] badges out to contact, citizen

[5:06:00] contact.

[5:06:02] ice cream truck, I mean, the sun

[5:06:06] sentinel says it all.

[5:06:08] your social media, guzman says

[5:06:14] it's out there.

[5:06:15] your engagement in the community

[5:06:17] is second to none.

[5:06:19] I appreciate that.

[5:06:20] I appreciate having our sros,

[5:06:23] your commitment to that. Making

[5:06:24] sure the schools are safe.

[5:06:26] making sure that bond with the

[5:06:31] child starts young and caries on

[5:06:33] throughout.

[5:06:34] that's something the whole

[5:06:35] nation needs to do not just here

[5:06:37] in sunrise.

[5:06:39] your inner personal skills I

[5:06:41] find that you, you have built

[5:06:45] and continue to build a

[5:06:47] respective pro foil for the city

[5:06:49] through engagement activities.

[5:06:52] I find you work well with staff,

[5:06:56] finance committee -- monitor

[5:06:59] progress and initiate changes as

[5:07:03] appropriate.

[5:07:06] please d that you serve with the

[5:07:08] broward county chief

[5:07:10] association.

[5:07:11] I am very pleased that you

[5:07:15] actively listen to the officers

[5:07:17] at the ground level when it

[5:07:18] relates to any issues going on

[5:07:21] throughout your organization.

[5:07:23] chief, I get the calls, you keep

[5:07:26] me fully informed.

[5:07:27] sometimes it's two, three, four

[5:07:29] calls a day.

[5:07:30] you do keep me informed.

[5:07:32] it's timely.

[5:07:36] on all aspects of the

[5:07:38] organization.

[5:07:39] your weekly reports, I truly

[5:07:45] believe that you represent the

[5:07:49] department and city of sunrise

[5:07:51] well.

[5:07:52] not only in sunrise but

[5:07:53] throughout broward county.

[5:07:55] with other residents, government

[5:07:57] agencies, elected officials and

[5:07:59] the general public.

[5:08:01] I will note you maintain your

[5:08:04] department accreditation again.

[5:08:06] I believe you share adequate

[5:08:08] control over the funds and

[5:08:10] include maintaining sound

[5:08:12] financial practices.

[5:08:13] you demonstrate quality of

[5:08:16] analysis and judgment for our

[5:08:19] community.

[5:08:20] you're proactively reviewing and

[5:08:21] willingness to make changes that

[5:08:23] are needed to any department

[5:08:25] policies and procedure.

[5:08:27] as my colleagues have echoed

[5:08:29] prior to me I find your

[5:08:31] performance excellent.

[5:08:33] thank you for making it easy to

[5:08:34] give you a review.

[5:08:37] keep up the good work.

[5:08:38] I can't say enough good things

[5:08:40] about the organization.

[5:08:41] the men and women that look up

[5:08:43] to you.

[5:08:44] the public that looks to you.

[5:08:45] you have support.

[5:08:46] if you need license plate

[5:08:48] readers I'm sure we will hear

[5:08:50] about it.

[5:08:51] as you know whatever you need to

[5:08:52] make your job successful I will

[5:08:56] make sure you get the funding.

[5:08:58] alright.

[5:08:59] chief, good job.

[5:09:00] >> thank you, very much.

[5:09:01] >> I have one -- go ahead,

[5:09:04] chief.

[5:09:05] I'm sorry, go ahead.

[5:09:06] >> okay.

[5:09:08] >> I wanted to thank the

[5:09:09] commissioner.

[5:09:10] >> so I neglected to mention one

[5:09:13] thing.

[5:09:14] I think I should specifically I

[5:09:17] have been on the other side of

[5:09:18] the issue.

[5:09:19] you know obviously it's the

[5:09:20] issue of diversity.

[5:09:22] my colleague mentioned and I

[5:09:25] didn't.

[5:09:26] because I have often publicly

[5:09:28] spoken about the lack of

[5:09:29] diversity in the city.

[5:09:31] I should commend you for your

[5:09:34] efforts since you became chief

[5:09:37] to without compromising the

[5:09:42] quality of the candidates give a

[5:09:44] more diverse view or look to

[5:09:47] more diverse candidates.

[5:09:49] that has been renexted in your

[5:09:51] report to the increase of

[5:09:52] diversity.

[5:09:54] again it goes without saying

[5:09:56] that for community as diverse as

[5:09:59] sunrise that it's important that

[5:10:02] men and women of the city who

[5:10:07] are police officers are

[5:10:08] reflective of the diverse

[5:10:11] population which they police.

[5:10:13] the children when they go to

[5:10:16] events or when they look and see

[5:10:19] a police officer they see

[5:10:21] themselves in that police

[5:10:22] officer.

[5:10:23] they say I can be that too.

[5:10:25] you know recently I read during

[5:10:29] the olympics they talked about

[5:10:33] the gymnasts.

[5:10:34] how african-american females

[5:10:42] over the last years have become

[5:10:44] the forefront of american

[5:10:46] gymnastic success.

[5:10:48] a article I read, there was a

[5:10:50] trainer that said, years ago

[5:10:52] she -- there was none.

[5:10:57] it was after the first person

[5:10:58] that came out then

[5:11:00] african-american young girls

[5:11:02] could see themselves.

[5:11:07] I can do gymnastics.

[5:11:09] someone that looks like me was

[5:11:10] successful at it.

[5:11:12] so when we are, when our kids

[5:11:14] are looking around and looking

[5:11:16] at men and women in uniform in

[5:11:21] fire, police or leadership rolls

[5:11:23] they need to see themselves in

[5:11:25] those.

[5:11:26] so, I am grateful for your

[5:11:30] taking that bull by the horn.

[5:11:32] I can tell you I know it's not

[5:11:34] always easy to push in that

[5:11:37] direction.

[5:11:38] you know you maybe the boss but

[5:11:40] you do have a whole slew of

[5:11:42] people that may have different

[5:11:45] ideas about how this should be

[5:11:48] done.

[5:11:49] I commend you for doing that,

[5:11:51] you know hiring quality

[5:11:54] candidates too.

[5:11:56] these are all largely

[5:11:58] accomplished whether through

[5:12:00] education, training, military

[5:12:02] service or what not that only

[5:12:04] has gone to strengthen the

[5:12:06] department and make the out look

[5:12:09] for future leadership even more

[5:12:11] diverse.

[5:12:12] I appreciate, I believe we had

[5:12:16] the first african-american

[5:12:18] major.

[5:12:19] first african-american

[5:12:20] lieutenant.

[5:12:21] probably south.

[5:12:23] I don't want to commit to that.

[5:12:27] I don't remember if sergeant is

[5:12:29] involved.

[5:12:30] certainly under your leadership

[5:12:32] you have brought more diversity

[5:12:34] to the men and women on the road

[5:12:36] and leadership.

[5:12:37] I have often spoken about it

[5:12:40] when it's not a favorable

[5:12:42] comment I would be remiss if I

[5:12:44] didn't also bring that up

[5:12:46] tonight.

[5:12:47] but you don't get to stop where

[5:12:49] you are.

[5:12:50] certainly I want to commend you

[5:12:52] on that.

[5:12:53] >> thank you.

[5:12:55] >> any other comments?

[5:12:56] so, pursuant to chief rosa's

[5:13:02] employment contract it says

[5:13:03] every give year the police

[5:13:06] department maintains a law

[5:13:08] enforcement certification from

[5:13:09] certified accreditation agency

[5:13:13] and receives a favorable review

[5:13:16] the probably maybe eligible to

[5:13:20] receive a merit increase of 5%.

[5:13:23] I'm in favor of 2.5% we have

[5:13:25] done so far consistently.

[5:13:28] >> second.

[5:13:29] >> everyone else in agreement.

[5:13:30] >> yes.

[5:13:32] >> mayor ryan.

[5:13:33] >> I support.

[5:13:34] >> congratulations, chief rosa.

[5:13:37] >> thank you.

[5:13:38] it was mentioned.

[5:13:40] I'm blessed to work for this

[5:13:42] commission, this city.

[5:13:43] I'm blessed to have the staff I

[5:13:45] have and the way they serve the

[5:13:47] community.

[5:13:48] so thank you, very much.

[5:13:49] >> good job, chief.

[5:13:50] >> thank you.

[5:13:51] >> alright.

[5:13:52] >> bravo, do you need to type

[5:13:59] over there.

[5:14:00] we can get you a runner on the

[5:14:02] base.

[5:14:04] lordus you want to read for her.

[5:14:07] I'm just kidding.

[5:14:08] >> I'm fine --

[5:14:11] >> yes.

[5:14:12] >> okay.

[5:14:14] 17g.

[5:14:15] city clerk annual review.

[5:14:17] commission discussion and or

[5:14:18] action regarding the annual

[5:14:20] review and evaluation of city

[5:14:23] clerk.

[5:14:24] felicia bravo city clerk.

[5:14:33] >> good evening.

[5:14:34] it's been many years since I

[5:14:36] have been to the podium to give

[5:14:38] a presentation.

[5:14:39] I gave you all my powerpoint

[5:14:41] presentation.

[5:14:42] my powerpoint presentation

[5:14:44] describes some of my

[5:14:45] accomplishments for the year and

[5:14:46] some of the duties of the office

[5:14:48] to refamiliarize you with that.

[5:14:51] I sent you the accomplishments

[5:14:57] we had this year from october to

[5:15:00] july.

[5:15:01] would like to point out a couple

[5:15:03] of items.

[5:15:04] the election we had in

[5:15:05] november 2020, that was kind of

[5:15:07] interesting because we probably

[5:15:08] had more different election

[5:15:10] items on the 2020 election, for

[5:15:14] that cycle then we have had

[5:15:17] since I have been here.

[5:15:18] a general election, special

[5:15:19] election, we had ' referendum on

[5:15:25] three separate items.

[5:15:28] also this year we had more board

[5:15:30] applications than we have had in

[5:15:32] the past.

[5:15:33] I think for the first time we

[5:15:34] had more board applications, not

[5:15:37] just a little but tremendous

[5:15:38] amount, then ever.

[5:15:40] 170 applications.

[5:15:42] that was incredible.

[5:15:44] it covered 129 positions, that

[5:15:49] was great.

[5:15:50] the best part is we brought in

[5:15:52] 38 new people, new appointees

[5:15:54] into the fold.

[5:15:56] just to give you some

[5:15:57] perspective on that, when I

[5:15:59] started here we had 6 boards.

[5:16:02] five of those boards would of

[5:16:04] had completely new people on it

[5:16:06] with three extras to go.

[5:16:08] that is how many new people we

[5:16:10] brought in.

[5:16:11] I don't take full credit for

[5:16:13] that. I think some of those

[5:16:14] folks came under assistant

[5:16:17] deputy mayor guzman's coat

[5:16:20] tails.

[5:16:21] when we have a new elected

[5:16:23] official they tend to bring in

[5:16:24] their own people.

[5:16:27] that was great.

[5:16:28] there was great diversity.

[5:16:31] younger people, different

[5:16:32] backgrounds.

[5:16:33] anyways that's my presentation.

[5:16:36] I know it's late.

[5:16:38] thank you.

[5:16:40] it's a pleasure to work here.

[5:16:41] >> alright.

[5:16:43] commissioner scuotto.

[5:16:45] >> next time we go by seniority

[5:16:47] and time.

[5:16:48] would you of been up first.

[5:16:52] so how many years have you been

[5:16:54] with the city now?

[5:16:58] >> 20.

[5:16:59] in february, 21 years.

[5:17:01] >> so 21 years ago I sat up if

[5:17:04] my office.

[5:17:05] at the time to pick the city

[5:17:09] clerk they made us sit in our

[5:17:11] office and then all of the

[5:17:15] people apply for the city clerk

[5:17:17] job would come to our office.

[5:17:19] so the joke was when I picked

[5:17:31] felicia I said I picked the old

[5:17:37] lady.

[5:17:38] she said I'm younger than you.

[5:17:40] it was always a joke.

[5:17:41] >> now it's true.

[5:17:42] >> it was like our joke from

[5:17:46] back then.

[5:17:48] you know like I say being up

[5:17:51] here such a long time you get to

[5:17:53] know a lot of your employees

[5:17:56] poor a long period of time.

[5:17:58] you get to know their families

[5:17:59] and what not.

[5:18:01] you know it's just, you build

[5:18:05] those relationships with not

[5:18:09] just employees but when we have

[5:18:11] the picnics or we use to, you

[5:18:13] know have the dinners that we

[5:18:17] have.

[5:18:18] there is inter action and we get

[5:18:20] to see the employees with their

[5:18:22] families or we get to see the

[5:18:24] employees with their workers.

[5:18:26] on a different way and a

[5:18:27] different style.

[5:18:29] I say that because I have never

[5:18:32] seen you make a presentation

[5:18:34] before until two weeks ago at

[5:18:41] the public safety building.

[5:18:43] she did a full report.

[5:18:45] I never really seen felicia go

[5:18:49] into so much detail about her

[5:18:51] job.

[5:18:52] I say this because she says this

[5:18:59] is how she started off.

[5:19:00] I have to say this.

[5:19:02] you're a rock star in my family

[5:19:04] now.

[5:19:05] my kids.

[5:19:06] I tell them.

[5:19:07] they didn't believe me.

[5:19:09] my daughter.

[5:19:10] she says to the people as the

[5:19:14] leadership academy, I am felicia

[5:19:19] bravo the city of clerk of

[5:19:22] sunrise.

[5:19:23] she was like do you know loki.

[5:19:25] I was like, what did she say.

[5:19:28] loki is the marvel.

[5:19:32] she is relating to the residents

[5:19:35] to say loki and the thing, there

[5:19:38] is a lady who takes the minutes.

[5:19:40] her name is ms. Minutes.

[5:19:43] she went into this whole thing.

[5:19:45] when I went home to tell my

[5:19:47] kids.

[5:19:48] I was telling them about going

[5:19:55] to the city and felicia spoke.

[5:19:58] my daughter was like, my god.

[5:20:00] I say that because sometimes

[5:20:03] people don't realize what you do

[5:20:05] in your job.

[5:20:06] when you went up there if you

[5:20:08] didn't try to relate to people

[5:20:11] sometimes they wouldn't really

[5:20:15] know.

[5:20:16] even when I'm sitting there and

[5:20:22] you explain everything.

[5:20:23] the background checks and

[5:20:25] everything, people running for a

[5:20:28] board, applications, someone

[5:20:29] wanting to buy a home.

[5:20:31] you went into so much detail of

[5:20:34] what it is that your department

[5:20:36] really does.

[5:20:37] not that you are just a cost to

[5:20:41] the city commission and we file

[5:20:44] our monthly reports, campaign

[5:20:49] report or office account or

[5:20:51] whatever it is.

[5:20:52] you're another department that

[5:20:53] is involved pretty much with

[5:20:56] everyone.

[5:20:57] then even when we had a couple

[5:21:02] of meetings ago we never really

[5:21:05] had an opportunity to speak to

[5:21:06] the supervisor of elections.

[5:21:10] we had him here that day and all

[5:21:12] of the questions that we pretty

[5:21:14] much hit him with and pounded

[5:21:17] him with he didn't even know the

[5:21:21] answers to basic questions.

[5:21:25] I'm not faulting him.

[5:21:27] he was knew.

[5:21:28] I'm saying is we don't realize

[5:21:30] when we have long term

[5:21:38] institutional employees in the

[5:21:42] city how much it helps everyone

[5:21:44] else.

[5:21:45] it really does.

[5:21:48] douglas I get a kick out of it

[5:21:50] because when sometimes I get to

[5:21:52] speak or whatever.

[5:21:53] then you said the historian.

[5:21:55] I take that as a compliment

[5:21:58] because --

[5:21:59] >> it is.

[5:22:00] >> what I'm saying is when you

[5:22:02] say that some of the people may

[5:22:04] not realize what you're saying.

[5:22:08] she has been there for 20 years.

[5:22:11] you know what I'm saying.

[5:22:13] I will say for another for

[5:22:16] instance.

[5:22:17] one of her employees because she

[5:22:19] didn't have a college degree was

[5:22:21] not able to move up, forget how

[5:22:26] many years in the city.

[5:22:28] just because you don't have the

[5:22:31] education for something but you

[5:22:32] have that institutional

[5:22:34] knowledge to me sometimes it's

[5:22:37] worth more than the --

[5:22:41] (lost audio)

[5:22:47] can mean a lot of different

[5:22:57] things.

[5:22:58] it doesn't have to be religion,

[5:22:59] color, it doesn't have to be

[5:23:01] anything.

[5:23:03] it has to be, could be just

[5:23:05] because I don't have a degree

[5:23:08] yet I have done this job for 20

[5:23:10] years.

[5:23:11] you're going to tell me I can't

[5:23:12] move up.

[5:23:13] I'm just saying so you were

[5:23:16] there all the time dealing with

[5:23:18] that.

[5:23:19] knowing that you had someone who

[5:23:20] was eligible and voiced your

[5:23:23] opinions about it.

[5:23:24] that means a lot for the person

[5:23:26] sticking up for their employees.

[5:23:28] so, like I say that presentation

[5:23:33] really put it to what it is that

[5:23:35] you really do and how a wide

[5:23:39] variety it is.

[5:23:40] it's not just like I need to get

[5:23:42] this from that.

[5:23:44] it's information that you know a

[5:23:47] department head may need from

[5:23:48] something or someone.

[5:23:51] we have ten thousand boxes

[5:23:54] stored in storage right now.

[5:23:57] because that's how much we have

[5:23:58] accumulated in paper rather than

[5:24:03] with electronic.

[5:24:05] so, you know you have a lot on

[5:24:08] your plate.

[5:24:09] like you said for this election,

[5:24:13] when we use to do the elections

[5:24:15] in march that was just what it

[5:24:17] was.

[5:24:18] all cities did their elections

[5:24:20] in march.

[5:24:21] that was just what it was.

[5:24:23] because the general elections

[5:24:24] were for governor and president

[5:24:28] and stuff.

[5:24:29] then the march elections were

[5:24:33] specifically for the

[5:24:34] municipalities.

[5:24:36] then because of money and you

[5:24:37] said we would be able to save

[5:24:39] money.

[5:24:40] then when we asked that

[5:24:42] gentleman that day it was

[5:24:43] something totally different.

[5:24:44] it was good you explained it to

[5:24:50] us in a way someone without the

[5:24:52] institutional knowledge that you

[5:24:54] have would have been an easy

[5:24:57] explanation for you than for

[5:24:58] him.

[5:24:59] I applaud everything that you do

[5:25:02] in your small department.

[5:25:04] you have a limited amount of

[5:25:06] people.

[5:25:07] you know you have done a great

[5:25:10] job with the city.

[5:25:11] I continue to wish you success

[5:25:13] and give you a favorable review.

[5:25:15] >> thank you.

[5:25:16] >> you're welcome.

[5:25:17] >> commissioner douglas.

[5:25:18] >> yes.

[5:25:20] madam clerk, you know in terms

[5:25:25] of those of us who have served

[5:25:29] on boards or now elected we have

[5:25:34] all had to work with your

[5:25:35] office, in fact to guide us on

[5:25:39] how to get through the processes

[5:25:40] whether it's you know giving us

[5:25:43] election packets or qualifying

[5:25:45] us or background checks and so

[5:25:47] on, so forth.

[5:25:49] I spoke earlier about miss

[5:25:51] kisslan's monthly report.

[5:25:54] that sort of helps me to see

[5:25:58] what is going on.

[5:25:59] those prr responses are another

[5:26:04] set of reports that I never miss

[5:26:08] going through.

[5:26:09] you can kind of see some things

[5:26:10] that are going on.

[5:26:12] people are asking for things.

[5:26:14] they go let me see, why ask for

[5:26:18] that.

[5:26:19] that's another out of your

[5:26:26] office.

[5:26:27] the florida law, florida has a

[5:26:29] robust public law resulting in

[5:26:32] many people being sued for

[5:26:34] failure of timely response to, I

[5:26:37] have never seen that we have

[5:26:39] really had a challenge with

[5:26:42] that.

[5:26:43] whether it's asking the police

[5:26:45] because it's within their

[5:26:47] preview or any other department

[5:26:49] to provide you with the

[5:26:51] necessary -- so you can fulfill

[5:26:54] the requirements of the law.

[5:26:55] you work in that regard.

[5:26:57] you, you help remind us about

[5:27:02] the various reporting

[5:27:03] requirements.

[5:27:04] various training requirements

[5:27:06] keeping up with the legal

[5:27:08] obligation.

[5:27:09] so when the commission decided

[5:27:10] that we should recognize or

[5:27:14] advisory board members with a

[5:27:16] certificate of appreciation you

[5:27:21] got designs done and out as

[5:27:24] quickly as possible when they

[5:27:25] were finalized.

[5:27:27] your office is kind of like the

[5:27:30] submarine service in the

[5:27:32] military.

[5:27:33] the quiet service.

[5:27:35] which is so critical in holding

[5:27:38] it together.

[5:27:39] being the secretary to the

[5:27:40] commission as it was pointed

[5:27:42] out.

[5:27:43] being the chief elections

[5:27:44] officer.

[5:27:45] being the custodian of the seal

[5:27:49] so to speak.

[5:27:50] those are very very important

[5:27:52] rolls in governance.

[5:27:54] you know I have sought your

[5:27:56] advice probably from the time I

[5:28:00] sought office throughout,

[5:28:02] especially in the early years.

[5:28:05] so, in terms of your roll as

[5:28:10] clerk and how you have managed

[5:28:12] the roll.

[5:28:14] I can not say anything negative.

[5:28:19] you know if I have a question

[5:28:22] you either find the answer or

[5:28:25] you know, you give the answer

[5:28:27] right away or find the answer.

[5:28:29] one way or another I will get an

[5:28:31] answer.

[5:28:32] I have often not had to be with

[5:28:34] your office as much as probably

[5:28:37] say the city manager or attorney

[5:28:39] or whatever.

[5:28:40] you keep your office greased and

[5:28:42] running.

[5:28:43] you know when you have

[5:28:44] challenges they have been

[5:28:46] resolved.

[5:28:47] I truly an appreciative of your

[5:28:50] work and the city.

[5:28:53] you cheerly have institutional

[5:28:56] knowledge and knowledge about

[5:28:59] your roll and function as a city

[5:29:02] clerk.

[5:29:03] certainly recently when the

[5:29:06] issue came up as my colleague

[5:29:08] pointed out regarding the

[5:29:11] historical framework for moving

[5:29:14] the elections and basis that was

[5:29:16] grounded in cost and how much

[5:29:19] previous elections have cost and

[5:29:21] all of the different things that

[5:29:23] helped to prepare us to sandbag

[5:29:28] the new elections officer.

[5:29:31] you have, you have done a great

[5:29:35] service to the city.

[5:29:37] your years here now.

[5:29:39] in the last year even while we

[5:29:43] had covid has to be mentioned.

[5:29:45] we had covid.

[5:29:46] we did not diverse ourselves of

[5:29:50] our responsibility.

[5:29:53] we still had to respond.

[5:29:56] if there was an election taking

[5:30:00] place in the mist of covid we

[5:30:03] had to respond.

[5:30:05] call buying people.

[5:30:06] however it needed to get done,

[5:30:08] we were able to get it done.

[5:30:10] you have a pretty skeletal

[5:30:14] staff.

[5:30:15] a staff that knows their jobs.

[5:30:17] and are able to carry it out in

[5:30:20] an efficient way.

[5:30:22] obviously that is testament to

[5:30:24] your leadership.

[5:30:26] soy want to commend you on the

[5:30:27] work that you have been doing.

[5:30:33] I certainly find your job

[5:30:35] favorable.

[5:30:36] >> assistant deputy mayor

[5:30:38] guzman.

[5:30:39] >> hello I will briefly discuss

[5:30:41] my first interaction with you

[5:30:44] and then get knot part where I

[5:30:46] became assistant deputy mayor.

[5:30:50] I just, I want to point this out

[5:30:52] and I mean this in the nicest

[5:30:54] way.

[5:30:55] I don't want you to take this

[5:30:56] wrong.

[5:30:57] I want to be open with you, how

[5:30:58] I felt.

[5:31:00] as a candidate coming in,

[5:31:04] initially I didn't foal

[5:31:06] welcomed.

[5:31:10] I really felt at if -- I don't

[5:31:16] know.

[5:31:17] I don't want to say the wrong

[5:31:22] thing.

[5:31:23] my initial inter action I was

[5:31:26] disappointed woman to woman.

[5:31:28] I don't know if I was young or

[5:31:30] you didn't know who I was.

[5:31:31] I totally get it I tempt I had

[5:31:35] questions and was not

[5:31:36] comfortable asking you them

[5:31:38] initially when I was running for

[5:31:40] my campaign.

[5:31:42] up until I was the favorable

[5:31:44] candidate then I felt you were

[5:31:46] more receptive and more helpful

[5:31:48] with me.

[5:31:49] I appreciate that, at the end.

[5:31:51] now being in the position I am

[5:31:53] in, you know your team,

[5:31:56] yourself, you are always

[5:31:58] available if I need something.

[5:32:00] you provide the information.

[5:32:01] you're really good with

[5:32:03] providing documents.

[5:32:04] I appreciate that.

[5:32:06] >> if I need it right away you

[5:32:07] get it done.

[5:32:08] thank you.

[5:32:09] all I want to see is more of a

[5:32:16] personable atmosphere.

[5:32:19] I don't know if it's just me

[5:32:20] with the problem.

[5:32:22] over all I appreciate your

[5:32:24] professionalism.

[5:32:26] at the end of the day that's

[5:32:27] what matters most.

[5:32:28] you do your job and I thank you

[5:32:30] for that. That's pretty much

[5:32:32] what I have to say.

[5:32:33] thanks.

[5:32:34] >> mayor ryan.

[5:32:35] >> thank you, deputy mayor.

[5:32:37] felicia, I want to fish begin by

[5:32:40] thanking you and your staff for

[5:32:42] committing to leading the

[5:32:45] mission in all regards as my

[5:32:47] colleagues have pointed out in

[5:32:49] the face of covid.

[5:32:50] you were forced to adjust and

[5:32:53] find a way to, with your staff

[5:32:56] insure there was coverage and

[5:32:58] that everybody could get the job

[5:33:00] done even if it meant staggering

[5:33:03] days and the opportunity to work

[5:33:06] on weekends so that people were

[5:33:09] not in the office while

[5:33:11] continuing to meet the mission.

[5:33:13] as has been said not only are

[5:33:18] their cities that get sued for

[5:33:20] not timely responding there has

[5:33:23] been, we just need to admit it

[5:33:25] there has been a cottage

[5:33:26] industry of those who make

[5:33:31] public record requests hoping

[5:33:33] that either you will refuse it

[5:33:35] or be untimely.

[5:33:39] they ask for things like every

[5:33:41] cellphone number of every

[5:33:43] employer for a database that

[5:33:45] they're compiling of all city

[5:33:48] employees throughout the nation.

[5:33:49] undoubtedly they're not doing

[5:33:52] but they hope you will stumble.

[5:33:54] you have never done that.

[5:33:55] you have been able to meet all

[5:33:57] of the public record requests.

[5:33:59] those which we can question the

[5:34:06] sincerity and those that are the

[5:34:10] most fundamental with a timely

[5:34:13] response.

[5:34:14] you treat them equally.

[5:34:21] I as commissioner douglas said,

[5:34:24] I find the requests and public

[5:34:26] responses interesting.

[5:34:28] it's part of your work in being

[5:34:30] transparent.

[5:34:31] there is just no doubt that I

[5:34:33] think from a public's

[5:34:34] perspective when you call it

[5:34:37] the, I thought it was a

[5:34:39] interesting reference to the

[5:34:40] submarine force of the military,

[5:34:43] the silence.

[5:34:44] you are the one behind the

[5:34:45] scenes that you and your staff

[5:34:47] that makes sure the city runs

[5:34:52] smoothly in many respects and

[5:34:54] never gets credit.

[5:34:55] it's from making sure the

[5:34:56] advisory boards not only that

[5:34:59] the applications are available

[5:35:01] to the commission for review but

[5:35:03] that people are encourages.

[5:35:05] that you -- some situations have

[5:35:09] to be pursued.

[5:35:11] then make sure thighs are

[5:35:12] qualified candidates.

[5:35:14] with the numbers that we have

[5:35:16] seen and interests your job has

[5:35:18] become more challenging.

[5:35:21] to organize and be responsive.

[5:35:23] I appreciate that you value the

[5:35:37] advisory board.

[5:35:39] you don't view it as a necessary

[5:35:41] evil that you have to do.

[5:35:42] 2020 election didn't have

[5:36:05] challenges.

[5:36:06] your commitment to the right to

[5:36:10] vote.

[5:36:11] your engagement with the county,

[5:36:14] supervisor of elections and

[5:36:16] municipalities to make sure this

[5:36:20] goes

[5:36:22] (lost audio)

[5:36:27] the financial expense on our

[5:36:31] city and our residents.

[5:36:33] you're one of those leaders.

[5:36:35] we can tell from the e-mails

[5:36:37] through the county.

[5:36:38] you and your staff compiled

[5:36:40] information quickly.

[5:36:41] you prepared all of us to be

[5:36:44] ready for the supervisor came,

[5:36:52] have the important questions.

[5:36:53] I thank you for your comment to

[5:36:55] a professional work place, to

[5:36:58] a -- making sure we're prepared

[5:37:01] to maintaining the official

[5:37:03] record as we pointed out.

[5:37:05] being responsive to the

[5:37:07] community and it can seep at

[5:37:09] times antiseptic.

[5:37:16] your staff are there to welcome

[5:37:30] people and to do it in a

[5:37:31] professional manner.

[5:37:33] I thank you and your staff for

[5:37:35] everything.

[5:37:36] I like my colleagues

[5:37:39] wholeheartedly provide a more

[5:37:41] than favorable review.

[5:37:43] thank you.

[5:37:44] >> thank you.

[5:37:45] >> thank you, mayor.

[5:37:46] >> ms. Bravo in preparation of

[5:37:48] your performance review I spoke

[5:37:51] with you and reviewed your city

[5:37:52] clerk memorandum, annual review,

[5:37:56] and presentation annual review,

[5:37:58] and the many e-mails you send

[5:38:00] out weekly and through out the

[5:38:02] year.

[5:38:03] I find these above referenced

[5:38:05] document cheerly identify your

[5:38:09] achievements and objectives

[5:38:11] throughout the fiscal year 2021.

[5:38:14] with respect to your decision

[5:38:15] making and judgements I feel you

[5:38:17] consistently demonstrate a

[5:38:19] quality analysis -- changes

[5:38:23] within the city of sunrise

[5:38:25] organization.

[5:38:26] your guidance is instrument al

[5:38:28] to my decision making and the

[5:38:30] ultimate success of our city.

[5:38:32] with respect to personal

[5:38:34] development.

[5:38:35] I find you recruit and maintain

[5:38:37] a diverse staff, establish an

[5:38:40] effective management team, I

[5:38:42] know you in the past and

[5:38:44] consistently recognize the

[5:38:46] accomplishments made by your

[5:38:49] office and city staff.

[5:38:52] they couldn't of taken place

[5:38:53] without the input.

[5:38:54] I find you're a, you have a

[5:39:01] dedicated and talented staff in

[5:39:03] making you successful.

[5:39:07] you have demonstrated great

[5:39:09] resiliency dealing with

[5:39:12] covid-19, the specially hex,

[5:39:13] cost of elections coming up.

[5:39:16] I find that incredibly

[5:39:17] invaluable and useful tools for

[5:39:20] us in making my decision making

[5:39:22] up here.

[5:39:23] I command you on training the

[5:39:24] employees and board members

[5:39:26] alike on open meeting laws,

[5:39:28] public records act.

[5:39:30] I find your planning and

[5:39:31] organization, you work well with

[5:39:35] the commission, the city manager

[5:39:38] office for the city to achieve

[5:39:40] mission goals and financial

[5:39:42] liability.

[5:39:43] with respect to your

[5:39:44] interpersonal skills I believe

[5:39:45] you have built and continue to

[5:39:47] build respect and profile for

[5:39:49] the city of sunrise through your

[5:39:55] position.

[5:39:56] exceptional customer service and

[5:39:58] that is evident in my

[5:40:00] conversations with city staff,

[5:40:02] residents and board members.

[5:40:03] I find you work well with staff,

[5:40:05] financial committee, city

[5:40:07] manager, commission to prepare

[5:40:09] budgets, monitor progress,

[5:40:11] initiate changes in operations

[5:40:13] and order budgets as

[5:40:14] appropriate.

[5:40:16] again as I have preferenced a

[5:40:19] few moments ago I am

[5:40:21] consistently informed with

[5:40:24] e-mails, public records

[5:40:26] requests.

[5:40:27] I find them timely.

[5:40:31] in a way that gives me a thumb

[5:40:33] print of the organization.

[5:40:34] the important factors

[5:40:36] influencing it.

[5:40:38] forwarding the resolutions from

[5:40:40] other municipalities your weekly

[5:40:42] public report requests are

[5:40:44] instrumental in my decision

[5:40:46] making.

[5:40:47] I believe you provide me support

[5:40:50] for documents and public records

[5:40:52] needed.

[5:40:53] I believe you represent the city

[5:40:55] of sunrise well.

[5:40:59] with respect to administrative

[5:41:01] policies and procedures you are

[5:41:04] the official records and

[5:41:05] documents custodian.

[5:41:07] you insure they're retained and

[5:41:09] destroyed in accordance with

[5:41:11] state public records laws.

[5:41:13] I believe you insure adequate

[5:41:16] reports of financing and

[5:41:18] financial practices.

[5:41:20] I commend you maintaining the

[5:41:23] registered lobbyist disclosures

[5:41:25] for our use as my colleagues

[5:41:28] have said I am pleased to find

[5:41:30] your performance excellent for

[5:41:32] this review period.

[5:41:33] >> thank you, sir.

[5:41:34] >> unfortunately I think your

[5:41:37] different.

[5:41:38] your employment contract is

[5:41:39] different from the previous

[5:41:40] three.

[5:41:41] >> that's okay.

[5:41:42] >> reading the exert it says in

[5:41:44] exchange for her services as

[5:41:47] city clerk felicia receives the

[5:41:51] following benefits unless

[5:41:52] otherwise provided by the

[5:41:55] agreement.

[5:41:56] all provided as designated, the

[5:41:59] city's executive ordinance at

[5:42:01] the same level which they're

[5:42:03] provided as this agreement and

[5:42:06] additional benefits and

[5:42:08] increases.

[5:42:09] if the city commission approved

[5:42:11] an increase for -- then

[5:42:15] ms. Bravo should receive the

[5:42:17] increase on your anniversary

[5:42:19] date.

[5:42:20] I'm not sure --

[5:42:21] >> city manager, can you help us

[5:42:23] with that.

[5:42:24] how do we interpret that is.

[5:42:26] there a trigger point where a

[5:42:30] merit increase would be.

[5:42:32] >> yes years ago the city would

[5:42:34] annually approve the merits for

[5:42:36] each employee to be eligible.

[5:42:39] I believe back in 2011 it was a,

[5:42:43] a 715x item authorize d that

[5:42:47] moving forward.

[5:42:48] that item is approved.

[5:42:49] >> so would there be a trigger

[5:42:52] that would do what we did for

[5:42:57] the rest of the charter officers

[5:42:59] at a different point or how do

[5:43:01] we?

[5:43:02] the trigger would be a favorable

[5:43:08] review.

[5:43:09] >> in terms of -- I know

[5:43:11] ms. Bravo's contract and the

[5:43:13] trigger point.

[5:43:14] even if we didn't do a review.

[5:43:23] >> hell me clear it up.

[5:43:25] >> no review no merit.

[5:43:27] >> no if there was no review she

[5:43:31] gets a merit.

[5:43:33] >> with a review?

[5:43:35] >> she gets a merit.

[5:43:37] >> do we do it now or a double

[5:43:40] dip?

[5:43:41] >> no double dip.

[5:43:42] sorry, I didn't realize the

[5:43:44] question.

[5:43:45] I'm slow.

[5:43:48] >> okay.

[5:43:49] then we --

[5:43:50] >> she is automatically getting

[5:43:52] a merit.

[5:43:53] >> yes.

[5:43:54] >> okay.

[5:43:55] >> alright.

[5:43:56] >> agree?

[5:43:57] >> she would of receive it did

[5:43:58] on her anniversary date in

[5:44:01] february.

[5:44:02] >> she hasn't gotten it?

[5:44:04] >> she did.

[5:44:05] she should have.

[5:44:06] >> okay.

[5:44:07] we're wasting our time on her.

[5:44:11] we didn't have to review her she

[5:44:13] got it.

[5:44:14] >> it's still important it be

[5:44:15] done.

[5:44:16] >> I want to make sure the

[5:44:17] public understands.

[5:44:19] >> thank you, again, ms. Bravo.

[5:44:21] >> she has a employment range.

[5:44:24] as long as she is in the

[5:44:25] employment range she will.

[5:44:28] >> are you in the range?

[5:44:30] >> yes.

[5:44:31] >> okay, good.

[5:44:32] >> alright.

[5:44:33] thank you again ms. Bravo for

[5:44:35] presenting to us.

[5:44:36] and to the millions of people at

[5:44:40] home that are watching.

[5:44:42] >> thank you.

[5:44:43] >> thank you.

[5:44:44] >> my distinct pleasure to work

[5:44:46] with the city.

[5:44:47] I'm probably one of the biggest

[5:44:49] advocates when I leave town and

[5:44:51] go out of town, people ask me

[5:44:53] about sunrise I tell them all

[5:44:55] about it.

[5:44:56] thank you.

[5:44:57] >> no, we're not done yet.

[5:44:58] >> no commissioner, mayor

[5:45:01] reports.

[5:45:02] >> no report.

[5:45:03] >> no report.

[5:45:04] >> I will just do one report.

[5:45:07] one report that's it.

[5:45:08] out of the five I.

[5:45:12] have so, earlier we did have on

[5:45:15] the call mr. Hill with the

[5:45:16] american heart association.

[5:45:18] he was going to briefly talk

[5:45:20] about the upcoming.

[5:45:24] what they were planning to do or

[5:45:26] wanting to do in our city.

[5:45:29] I don't know if we need to have

[5:45:30] him speak on it if I can talk

[5:45:33] about it.

[5:45:34] I don't know what the protocol

[5:45:36] is.

[5:45:37] >> when is it?

[5:45:38] >> friday february 4th is

[5:45:40] national red day for women,

[5:45:42] american heart.

[5:45:43] this past year we were all

[5:45:46] wearing red supportive and had a

[5:45:48] proclamation.

[5:45:49] thank you.

[5:45:50] we were looking to possibly see

[5:45:51] about doing a fashion show here

[5:45:53] at the city.

[5:45:54] making it like an annual thing.

[5:45:56] not just any, you know fashion

[5:45:59] show.

[5:46:00] really making it a nice, you

[5:46:03] know not fund raiser but more of

[5:46:05] a gala where we're in support of

[5:46:09] awareness for the american

[5:46:11] heart.

[5:46:12] so american heart was going to

[5:46:13] come in.

[5:46:14] sawgrass would be part of it

[5:46:15] there has already been talk.

[5:46:17] I don't know if mark wants to

[5:46:18] talk about it.

[5:46:19] if you have questions --

[5:46:21] >> you're saying?

[5:46:22] >> it would be the american

[5:46:24] heart association.

[5:46:25] they're on our list for support

[5:46:27] already.

[5:46:28] so I don't know if kim wants to

[5:46:31] speak on that or if mark needs

[5:46:36] to.

[5:46:37] >> when is the event?

[5:46:38] >> friday february 4th, 2022.

[5:46:41] >> there is time.

[5:46:43] >> so they were added in terms

[5:46:44] of budget.

[5:46:45] what is required too?

[5:46:48] we do make -- allocations.

[5:46:56] there is a long list.

[5:46:58] the list is way longer than --

[5:47:01] (lost audio)

[5:47:17] >> I don't know how it works,

[5:47:19] it's more of a matter of

[5:47:21] providing the ballroom and a

[5:47:23] stage of some sort.

[5:47:24] then them getting other

[5:47:26] organizations or how ever they

[5:47:28] want to fund it.

[5:47:29] it's more of us providing a spot

[5:47:31] to host it if that makes sense.

[5:47:33] >> we can't give them the hall.

[5:47:35] otherwise everyone else would

[5:47:37] ask for the hall.

[5:47:38] >> yes.

[5:47:39] >> with government everything

[5:47:42] has to be -- we have to show

[5:47:44] it's for a public purpose.

[5:47:46] >> if they're asking us as a

[5:47:49] 501c3 when we do the budget

[5:47:56] that's one thing.

[5:47:57] if they ask for money for

[5:47:59] that --

[5:48:00] >> they're not asking for money.

[5:48:02] >> well -- I'm saying we have a

[5:48:05] contract for the ballroom.

[5:48:07] it's not our ballroom.

[5:48:08] we have a, it's totally

[5:48:12] different.

[5:48:13] >> I know --

[5:48:14] >> it is our ballroom.

[5:48:16] >> unless it's a city event.

[5:48:19] >> I don't know how, what is the

[5:48:21] best way to move forward.

[5:48:23] I know there is conversation

[5:48:25] with emily.

[5:48:26] >> city manager, is american

[5:48:29] heart on the list for people

[5:48:31] seeking money for the next cycle

[5:48:34] of charitable donations.

[5:48:36] >> I don't believe so.

[5:48:39] based on discussions I have had

[5:48:41] the request is not for money

[5:48:42] it's just for utilizing our

[5:48:44] facility for that day.

[5:48:46] >> has there been other times

[5:48:48] where we have been, how does the

[5:48:51] commission weight in for that to

[5:48:53] occur.

[5:48:54] >> would I have to get with the

[5:48:56] city attorney and see how to

[5:48:57] accomplish that.

[5:48:59] I believe it may of been done in

[5:49:01] the past.

[5:49:02] >> you have to find it's for a

[5:49:04] public purpose --

[5:49:06] >> they're selling tickets to

[5:49:07] make money for their charity.

[5:49:09] it's different.

[5:49:10] so every charity could come to

[5:49:12] us and ask us to give them a

[5:49:14] free ballroom so they can sell

[5:49:16] tickets and make money for the

[5:49:18] charity.

[5:49:19] let's let the city attorney look

[5:49:20] at it.

[5:49:21] >> what if it's a city event.

[5:49:23] >> then it's another city event.

[5:49:26] they're making money off of us.

[5:49:28] how is it a city event and they

[5:49:30] sell tickets for the event and

[5:49:32] they keep the money.

[5:49:34] it's not a city event then.

[5:49:36] >> when is the date?

[5:49:37] >> february.

[5:49:38] >> february next year.

[5:49:39] >> okay.

[5:49:40] we can the city attorney advice

[5:49:45] us this.

[5:49:46] is sufficient time.

[5:49:47] not tonight.

[5:49:50] yes, I think we have time to

[5:49:52] weight in on it.

[5:49:54] >> alright.

[5:49:55] >> thank you.

[5:49:56] >> mayor, any report?

[5:49:57] >> yes.

[5:49:59] first of all just to my

[5:50:01] colleagues.

[5:50:02] I have asked city manager's

[5:50:04] office to provide a update to

[5:50:06] each of us on the 40 year

[5:50:08] inspection report process as

[5:50:09] well as the status of reports

[5:50:12] for the years 2019, 2020, and

[5:50:16] the current year.

[5:50:17] those are forthcoming.

[5:50:18] I know a number of buildings

[5:50:20] and -- will be brought before

[5:50:24] the special magistrate in august

[5:50:26] regarding the reports.

[5:50:28] so I encourage you to look at

[5:50:30] that. You know that is a

[5:50:32] particularly hot topic right

[5:50:34] now.

[5:50:35] you may get compliance as we

[5:50:38] have historically from various

[5:50:41] associations related to the 40

[5:50:44] year inspection.

[5:50:45] I want the city manager office

[5:50:46] to provide that information so

[5:50:48] you have that.

[5:50:51] second as you know broward

[5:50:53] county is in the news as a

[5:50:55] result of being a covid hot spot

[5:50:58] if not the primary hot spot in

[5:50:59] the country.

[5:51:00] our hospital rates and icu and

[5:51:04] positivity rate sat 1% reported

[5:51:07] today.

[5:51:08] since july 25th we have had 59

[5:51:12] covid deaths in broward county.

[5:51:14] I don't remember a pace like

[5:51:16] that since the start of the

[5:51:17] pandemic.

[5:51:18] I raise it because we have here

[5:51:21] tonight shared our appreciations

[5:51:27] to our charter officers and our

[5:51:29] employees with an employee

[5:51:32] appreciations dinner scheduled

[5:51:35] the next couple of weeks.

[5:51:38] I personally feel it's ill

[5:51:41] advised for us to have a indoor

[5:51:44] gathering of hundreds of

[5:51:45] employees particularly with the

[5:51:46] fact that while we face covid

[5:51:49] and we call it covid-19 this

[5:51:52] delta variant is not last year's

[5:51:54] covid.

[5:51:55] the transmissibility, the ris

[5:52:01] stocks children that we see

[5:52:03] communicated, and the basic fact

[5:52:05] that I think is evolving and

[5:52:08] confirmed which is that even

[5:52:10] those who are vaccinated, if we

[5:52:13] have covid can transit to those

[5:52:17] that may, a, be unvaccinated or

[5:52:21] b, be vaccinated and further

[5:52:23] transmit it.

[5:52:24] I have to question whether or

[5:52:26] not mr. City manager, it's

[5:52:28] appropriate for us to provide at

[5:52:30] this time with the employee

[5:52:32] appreciations dinner.

[5:52:36] I don't want to put it off but I

[5:52:39] think we have to find other ways

[5:52:40] to do it rather than gathering a

[5:52:43] now hundred people in a in door

[5:52:44] event in light of what is going

[5:52:46] on currently.

[5:52:47] I certainly am one to looking

[5:52:52] forward to getting beyond that.

[5:52:53] would I ask the city manager

[5:52:55] what is the site manager's

[5:52:58] position regarding this employee

[5:53:00] appreciation dinner in the

[5:53:02] context of the current covid-19

[5:53:04] situation.

[5:53:05] >> city manager.

[5:53:06] >> so, coincidentally this was

[5:53:08] something I was intending to

[5:53:10] bring up under city manager's

[5:53:13] report.

[5:53:14] right now we have a little over

[5:53:16] 200 employees that have signed

[5:53:18] up for the employee appreciation

[5:53:20] dinner friday august 27th.

[5:53:27] as the mayor stated the covid

[5:53:29] rates are rising the past few

[5:53:32] months.

[5:53:33] I know the commission has

[5:53:34] provided direction in the past

[5:53:35] to me in terms of the masks

[5:53:38] requirements across the city.

[5:53:40] so I was going to solicit

[5:53:42] feedback from the commission to

[5:53:43] see what their, if they would

[5:53:46] provide me some --

[5:53:48] >> I will give you some

[5:53:50] feedback.

[5:53:51] >> wait a second.

[5:53:52] I still have the floor.

[5:53:54] thank you.

[5:53:56] I certainly have as my third

[5:53:59] item the mask requirements.

[5:54:01] go ahead city manager.

[5:54:03] >> mayor, that's is from my

[5:54:05] perspective.

[5:54:06] I'm conflicted from the position

[5:54:08] some employees are clearly

[5:54:10] interested in attending with the

[5:54:11] number of sign ups.

[5:54:14] I have concerns over all with

[5:54:16] where things are trending from

[5:54:18] my perspective.

[5:54:20] >> have you, have you

[5:54:22] established for the purposes of

[5:54:23] the dinner whether or not it's

[5:54:25] for, I'm not asking that you

[5:54:27] should, I'm asking if you have,

[5:54:30] either people should be

[5:54:32] vaccinated or mask requirement?

[5:54:35] have you --

[5:54:37] >> I think it's inappropriate to

[5:54:39] put the city manager in that

[5:54:41] position.

[5:54:42] >> excuse me I have the floor.

[5:54:44] >> you can have the floor.

[5:54:45] I don't think you should ask the

[5:54:47] city manager to make the

[5:54:49] decision on the spot.

[5:54:50] >> that may well be.

[5:54:53] I'm asking him.

[5:54:54] if I can do that without --

[5:54:56] >> you didn't come last year --

[5:54:59] >> come on it's too late.

[5:55:00] >> mayor the floor is yours.

[5:55:04] >> -- and have you considered

[5:55:06] whether to reinstitute a mask

[5:55:09] requirement in general as

[5:55:11] broward county has done for

[5:55:13] government buildings and for

[5:55:15] those in our offices?

[5:55:18] >> so regarding the employee

[5:55:21] appreciations dinner no, we have

[5:55:24] not identified that as a

[5:55:27] requirement in terms of masks.

[5:55:29] now, relating to a mask mandate

[5:55:33] across the city.

[5:55:34] we have done as an organization

[5:55:37] I think we have done a good job

[5:55:39] in communicating to our staff

[5:55:41] about recommending and strongly

[5:55:44] recommend our employees wear

[5:55:46] masks.

[5:55:47] I think our employees have done

[5:55:49] a excellent job.

[5:55:50] although there has been a few

[5:55:52] issues outside of the city hall.

[5:55:55] I think generally you know we

[5:55:57] don't have, we're not seeing

[5:55:59] significant increases in covid

[5:56:01] for our employees.

[5:56:02] I think they have done a

[5:56:04] excellent job in terms of a mask

[5:56:06] mandate.

[5:56:07] if the commission would like for

[5:56:09] us to look at that further I

[5:56:11] certainly can.

[5:56:21] >> mayor, any other comments?

[5:56:23] >> no.

[5:56:24] >> I will open it up.

[5:56:26] >> to the city manager, we

[5:56:28] understand what is going on.

[5:56:32] normally at this dinner we

[5:56:34] morally get five, six hundred.

[5:56:40] I'm saying normally we have five

[5:56:43] to six hundred.

[5:56:44] >> it varies each year.

[5:56:46] it's generally three hundred to

[5:56:48] five hundred employees.

[5:56:50] >> we're at two hundred.

[5:56:51] I'm saying, I'm just saying --

[5:56:54] you think a lot of the employees

[5:56:56] are nervous or spouses are

[5:57:01] nervous and maybe they don't

[5:57:02] want to and that's why it's --

[5:57:09] >> the question to ask is do

[5:57:15] people sign up prior to coming.

[5:57:16] >> then my next question -- do

[5:57:18] normally everybody just start

[5:57:21] saying they're going the last

[5:57:22] week.

[5:57:26] normally or not.

[5:57:27] >> yes.

[5:57:28] usually you will see a sign up

[5:57:31] also towards the late end.

[5:57:34] there is a group of employees

[5:57:36] that are concerned and won't

[5:57:37] attend because of the concerns

[5:57:45] with covid.

[5:57:46] I believe there is a group that

[5:57:47] exists.

[5:57:48] >> if we cancel do we lose, I'm

[5:57:51] not worried about the deposit.

[5:57:54] >> if we cancel we definitely

[5:57:56] will lose a significant portion

[5:57:58] of the, of the funds like 75%

[5:58:02] plus a cancellation fee.

[5:58:04] we have not been able to

[5:58:05] determine is if we postpone it

[5:58:08] or move it to another date if

[5:58:11] there is a financial implication

[5:58:13] for that.

[5:58:14] >> I'm just saying I mean --

[5:58:18] they are your employees.

[5:58:20] I'm just saying.

[5:58:22] we had a little burst in one

[5:58:24] department.

[5:58:25] we had a little burst.

[5:58:30] we know summer camp with the

[5:58:32] kids had a bust at the very end.

[5:58:35] I'm saying it's not a false hood

[5:58:44] to say it's rising again.

[5:58:45] I got vaccinated.

[5:58:47] my brother got vaccinated and he

[5:58:50] got it yes, he works in a

[5:58:52] hospital but, then my nephew did

[5:58:55] summer camp.

[5:58:56] so I'm saying is, I mean I

[5:59:00] don't -- I just don't I don't

[5:59:04] mind for myself.

[5:59:05] I don't want to put 500

[5:59:08] employees.

[5:59:09] now they work for us.

[5:59:10] work for you.

[5:59:12] is it going to put the city as

[5:59:18] far as people working and start

[5:59:22] having these spurts in all

[5:59:24] departments.

[5:59:25] that's what I worry about.

[5:59:26] individually if we were all just

[5:59:28] individuals and everyone had a

[5:59:30] different job and different

[5:59:34] business you take a shot.

[5:59:36] the same way --

[5:59:44] (lost audio)

[5:59:56] my nose works at west side

[5:59:59] regional.

[6:00:02] I'm saying it's not made up.

[6:00:06] I don't know if everyone in this

[6:00:08] has a broken arm and broken leg

[6:00:11] and corona.

[6:00:12] I don't know.

[6:00:13] I'm saying I just feel --

[6:00:19] >> here is the thing we as a

[6:00:22] commission decide d that we were

[6:00:24] not going to pursue a mask

[6:00:26] mandate earlier.

[6:00:28] things may of changed.

[6:00:29] >> it was getting better.

[6:00:31] >> I understand.

[6:00:33] >> I am saying prior to today

[6:00:35] it's unfair to expect the city

[6:00:38] manager to make a university

[6:00:40] lateral decision to implement

[6:00:42] masks.

[6:00:43] >> at 11:20.

[6:00:45] >> or for anything else without

[6:00:47] coming back to the commission.

[6:00:49] >> I think the mayor was just

[6:00:51] asking a question.

[6:00:52] >> no.

[6:00:54] >> this is the only meeting this

[6:00:56] month.

[6:00:57] >> he's not here.

[6:00:58] >> I wish someone put it on the

[6:01:00] agenda for discussion so we --

[6:01:06] the city manager has been put on

[6:01:08] the spot, what have you decided.

[6:01:10] it's impossible to say, you know

[6:01:14] staff if you want to come to

[6:01:16] this dinner you have to be

[6:01:17] vaccinated or a mask.

[6:01:19] it's outside of the city.

[6:01:21] we already put the, we put the

[6:01:27] handcuffs on it.

[6:01:28] >> that's an outside event.

[6:01:30] >> I'm not saying we have to

[6:01:32] change directions.

[6:01:33] commissioner city manager have

[6:01:35] you made a decision about

[6:01:36] wearing masks --

[6:01:38] >> I don't think.

[6:01:39] I can tell by the tone he's

[6:01:42] asking.

[6:01:43] >> the mayor has put things on

[6:01:44] the agenda tuesday morning when

[6:01:46] he wants to decide it.

[6:01:47] >> that's not the case.

[6:01:49] commissioner, look here is the

[6:01:50] reality.

[6:01:51] here is the reality.

[6:01:52] covid is rising here.

[6:01:54] not only are the hospitals

[6:01:56] cancel elective surgeries.

[6:01:59] they're concerting auditoriums

[6:02:01] to covid wings.

[6:02:03] the question I have is whether

[6:02:05] we should consider delaying the

[6:02:07] employee appreciations dinner.

[6:02:09] it's not a slight against our

[6:02:11] employees.

[6:02:12] >> that's not what you asked

[6:02:13] him.

[6:02:14] you asked him if he made the

[6:02:15] decision --

[6:02:16] [inaudible]

[6:02:17] >> we're going forward, if we go

[6:02:20] forward we need to protect our,

[6:02:22] our staff.

[6:02:24] frankly I will be straight

[6:02:25] forward.

[6:02:26] I do not believe we should go

[6:02:28] forward with the pro*er employee

[6:02:30] appreciations dinner.

[6:02:31] this is my view, should inquire

[6:02:35] if it can be pushed, whether

[6:02:36] there is a covid clause in the

[6:02:38] contract, whether there is an

[6:02:40] opportunity to delay this until

[6:02:43] another date when we're out of

[6:02:44] this covid wave.

[6:02:46] it is real.

[6:02:47] >> commissioner douglas.

[6:02:48] >> okay.

[6:02:49] so, this is the only meeting.

[6:02:54] this event is suppose to happen.

[6:02:56] how much have we deposited,

[6:02:59] mr. City manager woe would lose?

[6:03:01] >> I believe it's around

[6:03:10] $18,000.

[6:03:11] >> 75% --

[6:03:12] [inaudible]

[6:03:13] >> we see weddings and various

[6:03:19] events where people, they run a

[6:03:20] business too.

[6:03:22] to they're keeping that money.

[6:03:25] so, are we, if we're going to

[6:03:30] lose 70% -- if we show up only

[6:03:40] 50 people great.

[6:03:42] people take their masks off in

[6:03:44] restaurants.

[6:03:45] we were told vaccines -- 75% of

[6:03:48] adult americans have supposedly

[6:03:51] been vaccinated.

[6:03:52] at what point do we give people

[6:03:55] the opportunity to exercise

[6:03:57] personal responsibility.

[6:03:58] when 110% of us are vaccinated.

[6:04:02] people can choose not to go.

[6:04:04] why walk away from 70% and a

[6:04:07] cancellation fee.

[6:04:08] people should go or not go.

[6:04:10] because these same people are

[6:04:13] going to restaurants.

[6:04:15] I know the mayor is super scared

[6:04:17] of covid and what not.

[6:04:19] the mayor coming in here tonight

[6:04:21] asking the city manager has he

[6:04:23] made a decision about when to

[6:04:25] require people require -- what

[6:04:28] do you do go to the door of this

[6:04:30] place and say show me a vaccine

[6:04:34] card?

[6:04:35] that's not a good position for

[6:04:36] city manager.

[6:04:37] >> you can go on-line and have

[6:04:40] one printed out.

[6:04:42] >> that's why I'm responding

[6:04:43] this forcibly.

[6:04:45] I know the mayor is uber liberal

[6:04:47] on the issue or conservative

[6:04:49] however you look at it I'm not

[6:04:51] going to ask the city manager to

[6:04:54] make a university lateral

[6:04:56] decision.

[6:04:57] if the commission wants to

[6:04:58] direct the city manager to

[6:05:00] cancel so be it.

[6:05:03] don't put him in that position.

[6:05:06] >> commissioner scuotto.

[6:05:09] >> to me I would think

[6:05:10] ultimately you would have that

[6:05:12] choice.

[6:05:13] but like out of the five of us

[6:05:17] being your boss making you make

[6:05:20] that decision, I'm just saying

[6:05:23] then it has no ramifications

[6:05:25] against us.

[6:05:26] people are out this eating,

[6:05:32] drinking, doing everything.

[6:05:34] yes it's rising.

[6:05:36] I don't know what it is.

[6:05:44] the world can't end every time

[6:05:47] something happens.

[6:05:48] if everybody wants us to get

[6:05:51] back to normal.

[6:05:52] soy don't -- I mean it seems

[6:05:55] like.

[6:05:56] it seems to be like a never

[6:05:59] ending right now.

[6:06:01] that this is not going to just

[6:06:05] end.

[6:06:06] I mean right now it's the delta

[6:06:10] variant.

[6:06:11] in six months there will be

[6:06:12] another variant.

[6:06:13] >> alpha.

[6:06:14] >> I'm just saying.

[6:06:16] >> deputy mayor, the mayor has

[6:06:19] his hand raised as well.

[6:06:21] >> I will get him in a minute.

[6:06:23] >> do you poll the 200 people

[6:06:27] that want to come, will they

[6:06:29] come.

[6:06:30] will another 200 people come.

[6:06:33] I am not worried about losing

[6:06:36] the $20,000.

[6:06:37] nobody wants to lose that.

[6:06:40] can we bump it?

[6:06:43] is that a option?

[6:06:44] I don't want to be the one that

[6:06:45] says have this and then because

[6:06:48] a hundred of them or 50 not

[6:06:51] going are sick and then

[6:06:52] infect -- I don't know.

[6:06:57] I'm going to the league of

[6:06:59] cities.

[6:07:00] I don't know how it will be

[6:07:01] there.

[6:07:02] I feel comfortable I got the

[6:07:08] shot.

[6:07:09] >> assistant deputy mayor

[6:07:11] guzman.

[6:07:12] >> at this point those who

[6:07:14] signed up know the risk that

[6:07:15] they're taking.

[6:07:16] we know what is happening.

[6:07:20] if they sign up that's their

[6:07:24] prerogative.

[6:07:26] given the relationship with

[6:07:28] signature grain, if you push the

[6:07:31] date back I don't sew why they

[6:07:33] would penalize you for doing so.

[6:07:35] if they want to keep business

[6:07:37] they should make it work.

[6:07:38] knowing the times we're in now.

[6:07:40] >> they lose the date you

[6:07:42] picked.

[6:07:43] nobody can then of picked that

[6:07:44] date.

[6:07:45] >> I'm sure there is a way to

[6:07:48] work it out.

[6:07:49] business is business.

[6:07:50] >> someone closes down my

[6:07:52] restaurant friday night when I

[6:07:54] can make money.

[6:07:55] then they say I'm canceling but

[6:07:58] my dor was shut, it's a

[6:07:59] inconvenience.

[6:08:01] >> you have lost supplies, you

[6:08:03] have people, you have other

[6:08:05] contracts.

[6:08:06] >> yes.

[6:08:07] someone else could of balked the

[6:08:08] day.

[6:08:09] I'm not faulting them.

[6:08:10] they don't have anything to do

[6:08:12] with it.

[6:08:13] I don't know if you want to make

[6:08:14] it through us or if you're going

[6:08:18] to make that decision.

[6:08:19] >> one second.

[6:08:20] mayor ryan.

[6:08:21] >> you had a 2.5% raise, you got

[6:08:24] your evaluation.

[6:08:26] you want to be paid the big

[6:08:27] bucks, big boss, you make the

[6:08:30] decisions.

[6:08:31] >> mayor ryan.

[6:08:32] >> I had answer to the people --

[6:08:34] >> first of all I believe it's a

[6:08:36] decision reserved to the city

[6:08:40] manager.

[6:08:41] he is making a decision what he

[6:08:43] will do with his employees.

[6:08:44] we can be upset.

[6:08:46] we can reevaluate him this.

[6:08:49] is a decision he makes for the

[6:08:51] ultimate mission to make sure

[6:08:52] everyone is safe irrespective of

[6:08:55] personal choices.

[6:08:56] second, the vaccine is not a

[6:08:59] panacea.

[6:09:00] by definition 1-5% of those

[6:09:03] receiving pfizer will get sick

[6:09:07] and die.

[6:09:08] a percentage of those who could

[6:09:09] of been saved will not be.

[6:09:11] moreover the data now is

[6:09:13] evolving those who are

[6:09:15] vaccinated can transmit.

[6:09:17] we have at least one officer in

[6:09:18] the hospital right now.

[6:09:28] (lost audio)

[6:09:38] not have an employee appreciate

[6:09:41] dinner reaching as many people

[6:09:43] as possible.

[6:09:44] the fact only two hundred have

[6:09:46] signed up now after covid, all I

[6:09:49] suggest is to have city staff to

[6:09:51] look see if they can push the

[6:09:53] date.

[6:09:55] jazz fest has been moved to

[6:09:56] november.

[6:09:57] there are all sorts of things

[6:09:58] canceled and moved because of

[6:10:00] covid.

[6:10:01] there are employees who have

[6:10:03] talked to me who don't feel

[6:10:05] comfortable going because of

[6:10:06] this.

[6:10:07] I certainly don't wand to find

[6:10:08] out afterwards that there was a

[6:10:11] spread because of this.

[6:10:12] for just an appreciation dinner.

[6:10:15] I know we appreciate our

[6:10:16] employees.

[6:10:17] everyone up here sincerely feels

[6:10:19] the same way.

[6:10:20] we feel strongly about our

[6:10:22] employees.

[6:10:23] I wonder if this is the best

[6:10:24] idea in light of the current

[6:10:26] data. That's all I will say.

[6:10:27] whatever decision the commission

[6:10:29] makes and directs that's fine.

[6:10:32] I believe it's reserved to the

[6:10:34] city manager.

[6:10:35] >> firstly, I want to make a

[6:10:37] point about that.

[6:10:38] >> commissioner douglas go

[6:10:39] ahead.

[6:10:40] >> the staff city -- this only

[6:10:51] limitation we have as a

[6:10:53] commission is we can't dictate

[6:10:55] who the city manager hires or

[6:10:57] fires.

[6:10:58] I don't want this to be a issue

[6:11:01] about whether there are staff or

[6:11:03] city manager staff or direct

[6:11:05] them on a day to day basis.

[6:11:08] this is not about that.

[6:11:10] if there is a decision,

[6:11:11] especially when we have lifted

[6:11:13] the mask mandate, we haven't

[6:11:15] changed that officially yet.

[6:11:17] as to whether it should be in

[6:11:19] place or not is not the

[6:11:20] question.

[6:11:21] we have said to him we're not

[6:11:24] going -- before he chose not to

[6:11:29] proceed.

[6:11:30] on this very narrow issue will

[6:11:32] we say, mr. City manager, it's

[6:11:35] your decision to tell the staff.

[6:11:38] an event outside of the city,

[6:11:40] that you can't come unless you

[6:11:41] wear a mask.

[6:11:42] it's in consistent with what the

[6:11:45] commission has said.

[6:11:46] how do we tell them it's now his

[6:11:48] decision.

[6:11:49] no, it's not his decision to

[6:11:51] make.

[6:11:52] if this commission wants to be

[6:11:53] bold and say, mr. City manager,

[6:11:59] cancel the event.

[6:12:00] then do that.

[6:12:01] don't kick the ball into his lap

[6:12:03] and say it's yours.

[6:12:05] now the staff will be mad at

[6:12:06] him.

[6:12:08] that he is cherrypicking mask

[6:12:11] mandates.

[6:12:12] worst suggestion that we should

[6:12:14] make it mandatory or you should

[6:12:16] of considered whether vaccine is

[6:12:18] a basis coming in.

[6:12:20] that's inconsistent with the

[6:12:22] mayor saying vaccination doesn't

[6:12:25] stop -- medical science says it.

[6:12:27] one hand he says should we have

[6:12:29] them vaccinated to come.

[6:12:31] at the same time he is saying oh

[6:12:33] vaccine doesn't stop people from

[6:12:35] being infected.

[6:12:37] we know that to be true.

[6:12:39] vaccine doesn't stop someone

[6:12:41] from having a pathogen and

[6:12:48] shedding it.

[6:12:50] months ago I heard we have to

[6:12:52] hold on, we have to hold on.

[6:12:55] now they say 75% of the

[6:12:57] population.

[6:12:58] now I hear vaccine does not stop

[6:13:00] the issue.

[6:13:01] do we live in this world forever

[6:13:03] more?

[6:13:04] even with a hundred percent of

[6:13:05] the people vaccinated.

[6:13:06] where do we stop?

[6:13:08] I don't know.

[6:13:10] yo think you should take that

[6:13:12] decision on your self, mr. City

[6:13:15] manager.

[6:13:16] I think you should ask your

[6:13:17] bosses for a firm directive.

[6:13:19] >> I will weight.

[6:13:21] in.

[6:13:22] >> -- postpone.

[6:13:23] >> I will weight in really

[6:13:24] quick.

[6:13:25] >> I am not voting to postpone.

[6:13:27] people may not attend if they

[6:13:29] want, the mayor doesn't have to

[6:13:31] a continued, unlikely to attend

[6:13:34] anyways.

[6:13:35] >> I would be supportive of

[6:13:37] postponing it.

[6:13:38] just based on the recent data

[6:13:41] that I have seen and witnessed.

[6:13:44] I would rather air on the side

[6:13:46] of caution then be wrong.

[6:13:49] I would like to recoup as much

[6:13:52] as we can family.

[6:13:54] I don't want to cancel it I

[6:13:59] would rather see if we can move

[6:14:02] it.

[6:14:03] that is my direction or opinion

[6:14:04] on the matter to consider.

[6:14:05] >> deputy mayor.

[6:14:07] the mayor has his hand raised

[6:14:09] again.

[6:14:10] >> sure.

[6:14:11] I will support your decision.

[6:14:13] for me I'm fine with moving it.

[6:14:15] I don't see anything wrong with

[6:14:17] airing on the side of caution.

[6:14:19] that is my side.

[6:14:20] mayor ryan.

[6:14:21] >> well first I do believe it's

[6:14:26] up to mr. Lubelski to decide to

[6:14:37] postponing it.

[6:14:38] I would move for him tonight to

[6:14:40] postpone the appreciations

[6:14:44] dinner.

[6:14:45] separately I would like to

[6:14:46] discuss whether there should be

[6:14:48] a mask mandate in the buildings

[6:14:49] in light of the cdc

[6:14:51] recommendations and what has

[6:14:53] evolved mask mandates including

[6:14:56] the broward county school board.

[6:14:58] at the same time I would applaud

[6:15:00] their courage today to vote for

[6:15:02] a mask mandate notwithstanding

[6:15:05] the threats of the governor to

[6:15:06] eliminate funding or stop their

[6:15:08] own salaries.

[6:15:10] first the employee appreciation

[6:15:16] dinner, I would move, I would

[6:15:19] move to postpone it I am happy

[6:15:22] to debate whether I'm consistent

[6:15:25] or not consistent about

[6:15:27] vaccines.

[6:15:28] I don't think that's a relevant

[6:15:30] issue.

[6:15:31] >> there is a motion by mayor

[6:15:32] ryan to move at employee

[6:15:35] appreciations dinner.

[6:15:36] is there a second?

[6:15:37] >> I will second it.

[6:15:38] >> second by commissioner

[6:15:41] scuotto.

[6:15:44] call a question on this.

[6:15:45] >> I wonder what is ms. Guzman.

[6:15:49] we're discussing it.

[6:15:51] we would rather know we will

[6:15:53] make the decision or we make the

[6:15:56] decision to give it to

[6:15:57] mr. Lubelski.

[6:16:00] I mean --

[6:16:01] >> I think the mayor has made a

[6:16:04] motion to direct the city

[6:16:05] manager to postpone the employee

[6:16:07] appreciations dinner.

[6:16:09] I think that's the motion if I'm

[6:16:11] correct.

[6:16:12] is that correct, mayor?

[6:16:14] >> yes, sir.

[6:16:16] >> okay.

[6:16:17] so discussion on the motion.

[6:16:18] that's all.

[6:16:19] >> discussion on the motion.

[6:16:20] >> so.

[6:16:23] >> assistant department utility

[6:16:25] mayor guzman.

[6:16:27] >> do you feel confident making

[6:16:29] that decision to the staff.

[6:16:30] how do you feel about it?

[6:16:32] >> as city manager I caution to

[6:16:35] you take that into your lap.

[6:16:37] >> I brought this back to the

[6:16:38] commission.

[6:16:39] I intended to bring it up during

[6:16:41] my report because of the

[6:16:42] previous direction regarding

[6:16:44] masks to get their feedback.

[6:16:49] >> you're asking us for

[6:16:50] feedback.

[6:16:51] >> yes.

[6:16:52] >> that's your answer now.

[6:16:53] >> yes, I prefer feed back.

[6:16:55] >> would you feel comfortable.

[6:16:57] I'm standing because I have been

[6:16:58] sitting for six hours.

[6:17:00] I'm not standing to be over

[6:17:01] powering or anything.

[6:17:04] so, would you feel -- I'm just

[6:17:08] asking.

[6:17:09] would you feel comfortable if we

[6:17:10] postpone it to give maybe this

[6:17:12] would go down.

[6:17:14] I'm just -- I'm just asking in

[6:17:16] general.

[6:17:17] >> I think we should make a

[6:17:19] decision.

[6:17:20] give him the direction.

[6:17:21] if he does it he's doing

[6:17:22] something inconsistent with

[6:17:24] previous decision that's we have

[6:17:26] made.

[6:17:27] >> but see I will tell you, we

[6:17:29] were all here that day.

[6:17:31] he wanted us to have masks

[6:17:33] mandated in the building.

[6:17:35] we told him, we over ruled him.

[6:17:38] but the people in this building

[6:17:41] probably 90% of them wear a

[6:17:43] mask.

[6:17:44] where as if you go to the public

[6:17:46] safety building 20% of the

[6:17:54] people wear a mask there.

[6:17:56] is a big difference of someone

[6:17:57] listening, observing, or doing

[6:18:00] the right thing for themselves

[6:18:02] or others doing what they want.

[6:18:04] >> so, I mean -- I just say that

[6:18:10] if we have always gotten five

[6:18:12] hundred people and now we have

[6:18:14] two hundred obviously a lot of

[6:18:17] people are think ing about it.

[6:18:20] okay.

[6:18:21] that's all I'm saying.

[6:18:22] a lot of people think about it.

[6:18:24] we're 350 less.

[6:18:26] I'm not saying the 200 that want

[6:18:30] to go don't care.

[6:18:31] they're just willing to get g.

[6:18:33] out and enjoy themselves.

[6:18:35] they figure it won't happen or

[6:18:36] affect them.

[6:18:37] I just -- I'm good for myself.

[6:18:41] I accept what I do.

[6:18:46] it's tough to make a decision

[6:18:48] about someone else's life by

[6:18:50] putting them all in a room for a

[6:18:52] party.

[6:18:55] I don't want that to be on me.

[6:18:58] I'm not saying for to you make

[6:19:03] the decision.

[6:19:04] if you're asking.

[6:19:09] you say we should make the

[6:19:10] decision and not mark, then I'm

[6:19:13] making the decision to say --

[6:19:17] >> then call the question.

[6:19:18] >> alright.

[6:19:19] this is early.

[6:19:20] >> hold on.

[6:19:22] anymore comment?

[6:19:24] anyone, colleagues have more

[6:19:26] comments?

[6:19:27] >> same just asking the city

[6:19:29] manager, do you feel

[6:19:30] uncomfortable if you now have to

[6:19:33] tell the 200 people that we're

[6:19:36] not going.

[6:19:37] do you think we will get massive

[6:19:40] backlash and people going out of

[6:19:43] their mind or say alright I

[6:19:46] understand covid got a little

[6:19:48] kicked up.

[6:19:49] I don't mind waiting.

[6:19:50] I just --

[6:19:52] >> I think generally our

[6:19:55] employees are understanding.

[6:19:56] they will understand either

[6:19:58] direction of the commission.

[6:19:59] >> okay.

[6:20:00] >> then I make a motion.

[6:20:01] I second the motion about the

[6:20:03] mayor said about postponing.

[6:20:05] (lost audio)

[6:20:20] >> anyone on the phone to make a

[6:20:23] comment regarding the city

[6:20:24] commission's motion to postpone

[6:20:28] the employee appreciations

[6:20:30] dinner.

[6:20:31] >> calling in?

[6:20:32] >> anyone out there wanting

[6:20:34] public comments.

[6:20:35] alright I will close public

[6:20:36] hearing.

[6:20:37] we can call the question then.

[6:20:38] >> deputy mayor.

[6:20:41] >> yes,.

[6:20:42] >> what --

[6:20:44] >> the motion is to postpone the

[6:20:50] employee appreciations din for a

[6:20:55] later date.

[6:20:56] nothing to do with masks at this

[6:20:58] point.

[6:20:59] this is a motion to postpone the

[6:21:00] employee appreciation dinner.

[6:21:03] call the question.

[6:21:06] >> deputy mayor.

[6:21:07] >> yes,.

[6:21:08] >> commissioner scuotto.

[6:21:11] >> yes.

[6:21:12] >> commissioner douglas.

[6:21:14] >> no.

[6:21:15] >> assistant deputy mayor.

[6:21:17] >> no.

[6:21:18] >> mayor.

[6:21:19] >> yes.

[6:21:20] >> motion caries 3-2 to

[6:21:21] postpone.

[6:21:22] >> the mayor want to discuss a

[6:21:25] mask mandate he can call a

[6:21:28] special meeting.

[6:21:29] >> I'm prepared to discuss it

[6:21:31] tonight if you want to call a

[6:21:34] special meeting I'm happy to do

[6:21:36] that as well.

[6:21:37] I will get with kim.

[6:21:38] I don't think we have weeks to

[6:21:40] make the decision in light of

[6:21:41] the fact that broward county has

[6:21:43] issued a mask mandate in

[6:21:45] government buildings, the cdc

[6:21:49] recommend people wear masks.

[6:21:52] we are seeing a broad

[6:21:53] recommendation for those

[6:21:55] vaccinated should wear masks.

[6:21:58] we have implemented in my law

[6:21:59] everyone wearing a mask whether

[6:22:01] vaccinated or not.

[6:22:03] I don't believe there should be

[6:22:05] a lesser standard in the

[6:22:06] government buildings.

[6:22:07] I'm prepared to discuss it.

[6:22:09] if the will of the commission is

[6:22:11] to hold this for a special

[6:22:13] meeting to be called I will work

[6:22:14] with the city clerk and city

[6:22:16] attorney office to call a

[6:22:17] special meeting.

[6:22:18] >> I would say if the city

[6:22:21] manager wants to send an e-mail

[6:22:23] to all employees or if the chief

[6:22:25] of police wants to send a letter

[6:22:27] to awful his employees, not

[6:22:31] directing a mandate, offering it

[6:22:35] as just a information whatever

[6:22:40] that has just been said by the

[6:22:42] mayor.

[6:22:43] that the cdc, the county, and

[6:22:47] all of those -- I'm saying as a

[6:22:50] informational.

[6:22:51] >> I agree with you.

[6:22:53] there comes a point we have to

[6:22:55] move away from directing people

[6:22:57] they have to.

[6:22:58] >> can we ask the employees.

[6:23:00] can we find out what the

[6:23:02] employees feel?

[6:23:04] what the majority is.

[6:23:05] >> no public health policy is

[6:23:08] not based on whether people want

[6:23:10] to wear a mask.

[6:23:11] it's whether to protect them.

[6:23:13] that's our obligation.

[6:23:14] I understand it's difficult if

[6:23:17] people want to move to personal

[6:23:18] responsibility.

[6:23:19] we also have a obligation to our

[6:23:21] staff and the public.

[6:23:23] I think we need to address the

[6:23:25] mask mandate --

[6:23:27] [inaudible]

[6:23:28] >> hold on.

[6:23:29] >> point of order.

[6:23:31] I don't want to recess at 11:45.

[6:23:34] >> sorry.

[6:23:36] >> I don't want to recess until

[6:23:37] we can come back to order.

[6:23:40] everyone is talking at the same

[6:23:42] time.

[6:23:43] >> my apology.

[6:23:44] all I'm saying is --

[6:23:46] >> getting talked over.

[6:23:47] go ahead.

[6:23:48] >> hold on.

[6:23:51] let's take a breather.

[6:23:52] one person at a time.

[6:23:54] mayor ryan, you have the floor.

[6:23:56] then commissioner douglas will

[6:23:57] have the floor.

[6:23:58] mayor ryan, go ahead.

[6:24:00] >> I was not in favor of

[6:24:05] reducing the mask mandate.

[6:24:07] mark was in support the time the

[6:24:09] commission directed him

[6:24:11] otherwise.

[6:24:12] I understand the data is where

[6:24:14] it was then.

[6:24:15] what we are facing today is not

[6:24:17] last year's covid.

[6:24:19] it's a delta variant.

[6:24:20] would I love to move beyond

[6:24:22] this.

[6:24:23] perm responsibility is not a

[6:24:24] public health policy no matter

[6:24:27] what the state leaders say.

[6:24:29] we have an obligation that the

[6:24:31] county, cdc and local businesses

[6:24:34] are doing to protect our

[6:24:36] employees and visitors.

[6:24:37] I believe we should institute a

[6:24:39] mask mandate in the government

[6:24:42] buildings as has been done this.

[6:24:45] is not novel.

[6:24:47] the city manager has the

[6:24:49] authority on his own, without

[6:24:51] direction from the city

[6:24:52] commission to do that.

[6:24:53] it should remain.

[6:24:54] I am moving for a mask mandate

[6:24:56] in our buildings for the public

[6:24:59] and for our staff.

[6:25:02] you can move aside the issue of

[6:25:05] consequences for it and all of

[6:25:06] the issues about discipline we

[6:25:08] should issue the mask mandate.

[6:25:11] >> first of all this is not just

[6:25:13] about staff this.

[6:25:14] is about the public and the

[6:25:16] public's ability.

[6:25:17] I have seen the public.

[6:25:18] the day after we lifted the mask

[6:25:21] mandate --

[6:25:23] (lost audio)

[6:25:39] - they came with their mask.

[6:25:41] when they realized there was no

[6:25:43] mandate -- these people made

[6:25:46] personal choices in this rom

[6:25:48] tonight we have personal choices

[6:25:49] being made.

[6:25:50] assistant deputy mayor has a

[6:25:53] mask on.

[6:25:55] other have masks on, I see

[6:25:58] police officers that do and some

[6:25:59] don't.

[6:26:00] personal choice.

[6:26:01] at what point if it's up to the

[6:26:03] mayor we would live in a chamber

[6:26:06] for the next five years.

[6:26:07] that's his view on this thing.

[6:26:09] the end of the day is it going

[6:26:10] to be a new vaccine, a triple

[6:26:15] vaccine, what is -- what is

[6:26:17] going to be the point at which

[6:26:20] we decide that people now get

[6:26:23] to -- we don't live in russia or

[6:26:26] china. You talk about we should

[6:26:31] put mandates on people because

[6:26:33] they're not responsible enough

[6:26:36] to take personal responsibility.

[6:26:38] that we need, we can't give them

[6:26:40] the choice.

[6:26:41] we need to impose it on them.

[6:26:43] that's what I'm hearing.

[6:26:45] they're to immature to make

[6:26:47] their own choices whether to

[6:26:48] wear a mask or not.

[6:26:50] we have to mandate it on them.

[6:26:52] I don't agree with that.

[6:26:53] this is america that. Is the

[6:26:55] american way.

[6:26:56] people can make that decision.

[6:26:58] officer 75% and in fact 75% is

[6:27:03] above the threshold that

[6:27:05] supposedly will give us herd

[6:27:07] immunity.

[6:27:10] after 75% we're still hearing

[6:27:12] oh, it's not going to be the

[6:27:14] vaccine.

[6:27:15] what will it be?

[6:27:17] cheri pie?

[6:27:19] so, anyways mr. City manager f

[6:27:22] you think you have the ability

[6:27:24] to make that decision on your

[6:27:25] own please go ahead.

[6:27:28] I don't agree that the city

[6:27:30] manager should be given that

[6:27:31] responsibility we should take it

[6:27:33] on.

[6:27:34] we're the ones people elected.

[6:27:35] if we're making, if people are

[6:27:38] listening to me now in four

[6:27:40] years they can say that douglas

[6:27:42] didn't do enough to protect our

[6:27:43] community.

[6:27:44] we are voting him out.

[6:27:46] they didn't elect the city

[6:27:48] manager.

[6:27:49] let's us take the heat for it.

[6:27:51] >> there is a motion pending.

[6:27:52] >> commissioner scuotto.

[6:27:55] >> he's in the building working

[6:27:58] every day, we're not.

[6:27:59] if he feels 300 people are in

[6:28:03] the building, 200 are vaccinated

[6:28:05] and 100 are not.

[6:28:07] if he wants to protect -- wait.

[6:28:11] >> -- this mask mandate is for

[6:28:13] the public also.

[6:28:14] it's not just staff.

[6:28:16] when there is a mask mandate the

[6:28:18] public has to do the same.

[6:28:20] >> -- they're working in the

[6:28:22] building.

[6:28:23] he wants to feel comfortable

[6:28:24] with the people.

[6:28:25] >> are you suggesting we have a

[6:28:27] mandate for staff but the public

[6:28:28] gets to choose what they want to

[6:28:30] do.

[6:28:31] >> we will get back to the same

[6:28:32] thing that happened in the

[6:28:33] beginning.

[6:28:34] we were the first cities to shut

[6:28:36] down because the county didn't

[6:28:38] want to shut down.

[6:28:39] the county wanted to open we

[6:28:42] were the last to open.

[6:28:43] it will start again.

[6:28:45] whether we're together as 31

[6:28:47] municipalities or everyone does

[6:28:49] their own thing.

[6:28:51] that's the problem we can't

[6:28:53] agree on everything.

[6:28:54] everyone does their own thing.

[6:28:56] >> this isn't just about staff.

[6:28:57] when we have a city wide mandate

[6:29:00] it affects the public using the

[6:29:02] building.

[6:29:03] are we prepared to tell the

[6:29:04] public they now have to come

[6:29:06] here wearing a mask.

[6:29:08] the city manager, when this came

[6:29:12] up the city manager said I have

[6:29:14] the authority to deal with my

[6:29:16] staff.

[6:29:17] I want to hear from the

[6:29:18] commission about imposing it for

[6:29:19] the public.

[6:29:21] >> those behind the public

[6:29:22] service counter have a mask.

[6:29:24] now the residents come up to

[6:29:26] them with no mask.

[6:29:28] I'm saying maybe our employees

[6:29:30] are not feeling comfortable.

[6:29:32] >> let's call a spade a spade.

[6:29:35] a virus is so tiny you can't see

[6:29:37] it with a micro scope.

[6:29:41] you have to use a special micro

[6:29:44] scope.

[6:29:45] do you think the masks protect

[6:29:46] us?

[6:29:47] >> no.

[6:29:48] >> this is false safety.

[6:29:49] the virus flies through that.

[6:29:52] we're all wrapped up in a mask.

[6:29:55] who has one on that side and

[6:29:57] this side.

[6:29:58] it's false security.

[6:30:00] we, we probably have all taken

[6:30:02] basic science and know that

[6:30:04] viruses are smaller than

[6:30:06] bacterias.

[6:30:08] you can't see it with a regular

[6:30:10] micro scope.

[6:30:11] what makes us think a cloth mask

[6:30:15] or these things we put on

[6:30:17] protect us?

[6:30:18] then it's not the vaccine.

[6:30:19] if we can't be protected --

[6:30:22] >> mayor ryan, I would say to

[6:30:23] end this, I would leave it to

[6:30:28] the two chiefs in the back of

[6:30:30] the room for what they want to

[6:30:31] do in their building.

[6:30:34] city manager you have whatever

[6:30:36] right in your building until

[6:30:38] someone calls a special meeting

[6:30:40] and puts it on the agenda and

[6:30:42] we're going to do a vote.

[6:30:44] would I just say you have

[6:30:47] whatever information that just

[6:30:49] came out today from cdc, the

[6:30:52] county, the school board,

[6:30:55] whatever.

[6:30:56] put your sign up in the window

[6:30:57] if you feel and the same with

[6:30:59] the two chiefs to do the same.

[6:31:01] that if they feel comfortable

[6:31:03] saying due to these times until

[6:31:07] we figure out if we're doing a

[6:31:09] mask mandate but if we can't

[6:31:12] come to an agreement tonight to

[6:31:15] do a mandate or whatever then I

[6:31:18] would just leave it to you as

[6:31:19] the person of this building and

[6:31:22] then -- not only for this

[6:31:26] building and every other

[6:31:27] municipality building that other

[6:31:29] people are at.

[6:31:30] leisure services or whatever.

[6:31:33] for now until we can have a

[6:31:35] special meeting.

[6:31:36] to figure out what it is.

[6:31:40] >> commissioner scuotto, I

[6:31:43] appreciate that.

[6:31:44] thank you for that suggestion.

[6:31:46] I want to be, I want to be

[6:31:49] clear.

[6:31:50] my request for a mask mandate is

[6:31:52] not unamerican.

[6:31:53] this is not me wanting to be

[6:31:56] russia.

[6:31:57] it's not unpatriotic to request

[6:31:59] a mask mandate.

[6:32:01] the suggestion of that is

[6:32:03] hyperbole at best and offensive

[6:32:07] at worst.

[6:32:08] I understand --

[6:32:10] >> what I said your principle of

[6:32:13] imposing on people because you

[6:32:15] think --

[6:32:16] >> you're interrupting.

[6:32:17] >> -- that's the portion.

[6:32:20] [inaudible]

[6:32:21] >> alright.

[6:32:23] please.

[6:32:24] >> that again --

[6:32:25] >> hold on.

[6:32:26] the mayor has the floor.

[6:32:27] >> mayor ryan, we don't go

[6:32:29] around and around.

[6:32:30] >> mr. Scuotto, the mayor has

[6:32:34] the floor.

[6:32:35] I will recognize you next.

[6:32:36] mayor ryan.

[6:32:37] >> that proves my point.

[6:32:38] that is what is consuming the

[6:32:40] nation and our state.

[6:32:42] I am requesting this mask

[6:32:45] mandate not because I'm

[6:32:46] unamerican or I want to dictate.

[6:32:49] these are the same arguments

[6:32:51] made in 1918 pandemic, and the

[6:32:54] people who said no this isn't

[6:32:56] what we should do.

[6:32:57] it turns out we haven't

[6:32:59] progressed in a hundred years in

[6:33:02] that regard.

[6:33:03] based on what the school board

[6:33:04] has done, county, cdc, local

[6:33:07] businesses are doing what we

[6:33:10] should do to protect the mission

[6:33:11] is very basic.

[6:33:13] it's a request and mandate a

[6:33:15] mask be worn.

[6:33:16] we can address the issues what

[6:33:18] happens if it isn't.

[6:33:20] our job is to protect employees.

[6:33:25] I believe mark has the

[6:33:26] responsibility and obligation

[6:33:28] and authority.

[6:33:29] I will admit it is difficult for

[6:33:31] the city manager.

[6:33:33] when we leave here tonight if

[6:33:35] one or more of us are in

[6:33:38] disagreement with mark decides

[6:33:39] he will get an earful.

[6:33:42] he will get grief in all sorts

[6:33:44] of ways.

[6:33:45] so, this is the problem of

[6:33:46] simply saying give it to mark to

[6:33:49] make a decision.

[6:33:51] I think that's a fare point if

[6:33:52] we can agree he has the

[6:33:54] authority to do it without

[6:33:56] interference.

[6:33:57] I believe we should mandate as

[6:33:59] has been done in other cities

[6:34:01] and counties.

[6:34:02] that's my motion.

[6:34:03] >> alright.

[6:34:04] so I have one more comment, mr.

[6:34:08] the mayor is a very smart man.

[6:34:10] I had give that to him.

[6:34:20] (lost audio)

[6:34:30] or yesterday or last friday.

[6:34:32] it has been rising record

[6:34:34] numbers since last week.

[6:34:37] clearly it was a concern for the

[6:34:39] mayor.

[6:34:40] the mayor would have had this

[6:34:42] notion that I want to bring to

[6:34:44] this commission that we should

[6:34:46] change directions.

[6:34:47] which is fine.

[6:34:48] if you're not prepared to change

[6:34:50] your mind on something you

[6:34:51] shouldn't govern.

[6:34:54] you will ambush this evening

[6:34:55] without putting it on.

[6:34:57] then expect just for us to just

[6:35:00] vote because we're under

[6:35:01] pressure.

[6:35:02] no, you could of put it on.

[6:35:03] you put on many things the day

[6:35:05] of a commission meeting.

[6:35:07] yellow sheets and all.

[6:35:08] then you make it look like, oh

[6:35:10] you phis are not looking to

[6:35:12] protect staff.

[6:35:13] you could of put it on.

[6:35:14] you know what you did.

[6:35:15] you wanted to back us in the

[6:35:17] corner today.

[6:35:18] I'm not going to make that

[6:35:20] pressure make me make that

[6:35:22] decision.

[6:35:23] >> I would say.

[6:35:25] >> scuotto.

[6:35:28] >> -- we don't even have to

[6:35:32] direct.

[6:35:33] you can hear what we're saying.

[6:35:34] call a special meeting.

[6:35:37] I'm not going to be here for the

[6:35:39] rest of the week.

[6:35:40] so --

[6:35:41] >> it's the mayor's job to call

[6:35:43] a special meeting or the thee of

[6:35:46] us request it.

[6:35:47] >> hold on.

[6:35:48] taking order of this.

[6:35:49] I would like to comment

[6:35:50] sometime.

[6:35:51] you guys just keep going.

[6:35:54] >> okay.

[6:35:55] I'm standing here --

[6:35:57] >> sorry. Do you have comments?

[6:35:59] >> no.

[6:36:00] >> I'm not prepared to make a

[6:36:06] vote on a mask mandate this

[6:36:08] evening.

[6:36:09] I don't know the legal

[6:36:10] repercussions or what will

[6:36:11] happen.

[6:36:12] I want to talk with kim, speak

[6:36:14] with the city manager.

[6:36:16] that's my position.

[6:36:17] I'm in position of having a

[6:36:19] special meeting when the mayor

[6:36:20] calls that.

[6:36:21] I'm not in a position to vote on

[6:36:25] a mask mandate this evening.

[6:36:27] not saying I won't vote next

[6:36:29] week.

[6:36:30] I'm not in this position.

[6:36:32] for point of order mayor ryan

[6:36:33] has made a motion.

[6:36:39] do I open this to public comment

[6:36:41] with a motion.

[6:36:42] >> I don't think I heard a

[6:36:44] second.

[6:36:45] >> alright.

[6:36:46] is from a second on that motion?

[6:36:50] is there a second on the motion?

[6:36:52] hearing no second the motion

[6:36:54] fails.

[6:36:55] >> motion to adjourn.

[6:36:57] >> hold on we have a couple of

[6:36:59] items.

[6:37:00] >> .

[6:37:01] what.

[6:37:02] >> there is city manager report.

[6:37:03] first of all my report.

[6:37:05] I wave.

[6:37:06] city manager report.

[6:37:07] >> no report.

[6:37:08] >> thank you.

[6:37:09] >> city clerk report.

[6:37:10] >> no report.

[6:37:12] >> city attorney report.

[6:37:13] >> I won't give a report, thank

[6:37:15] you.

[6:37:16] >> is there any other business

[6:37:19] on tonight's agenda or a motion.

[6:37:21] >> motion to adjourn.

[6:37:23] >> motion to adjourn by

[6:37:25] commissioner douglas.

[6:37:26] >> no, I want to make sure that

[6:37:29] until we have the meeting that

[6:37:30] we leave it up to the two chiefs

[6:37:33] for their building, and to

[6:37:35] mr. Lubelski.

[6:37:38] not about a mandate but posting

[6:37:41] what has happened whatever.

[6:37:43] >> the city manager said earlier

[6:37:45] that people have, we have

[6:37:47] acknowledged that people have

[6:37:50] largely been going by the, I

[6:37:54] guess you call it the directive.

[6:37:56] hey, it's in your interest to

[6:37:58] wear a mask.

[6:37:59] think people are largely doing

[6:38:01] that.

[6:38:02] the chief back there.

[6:38:05] he's in a uniquely strong

[6:38:07] position with a military

[6:38:08] structure.

[6:38:09] I tell you what to do.

[6:38:10] do you it.

[6:38:11] I'm the chief.

[6:38:12] you're the deputy chief.

[6:38:14] you're the major.

[6:38:15] you're the lieutenant.

[6:38:17] you're the sergeant.

[6:38:18] you know you follow orders.

[6:38:19] I don't think it should be too

[6:38:21] difficult for him to get people.

[6:38:24] mr. Fire chief, please help us.

[6:38:27] >> I think it's without saying

[6:38:29] the city manager and city --

[6:38:31] >> you won't get your 2.5% if

[6:38:34] you don't speak up.

[6:38:35] >> I have a family.

[6:38:37] I have to go.

[6:38:38] >> we need a motion to adjourn

[6:38:40] when commissioner scuotto.

[6:38:46] >> motion to adjourn.

[6:38:47] >> seconds.

[6:38:48] >> all in favor.

[6:38:49] >> I.

[6:38:50] >> meeting is adjourned.

[6:38:52] thank you, everyone.

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