[0:00] Okay, I'd like to call to order the

[0:02] regular meeting of the city of Village

[0:04] of Douglas on Monday, August 17th.

[0:08] And clerk, can we get a roll call vote,

[0:10] please?

[0:12] >> Farmer

[0:13] » Farmer

[0:13] >> Here.

[0:14] » Here.

[0:14] >> Freeman

[0:14] » Freeman

[0:14] >> Here.

[0:15] » Here.

[0:15] >> O'Malley

[0:16] » O'Malley

[0:16] >> Here.

[0:17] » Here.

[0:17] >> All right. Walker

[0:19] » All right. Walker

[0:19] >> Here.

[0:20] » Here.

[0:20] >> I have Seaver absent excused, West

[0:23] » I have Seaver absent excused, West

[0:23] absent excused, and North.

[0:26] >> Here.

[0:27] » Here.

[0:27] >> We have a quorum. Will you please join

[0:28] » We have a quorum. Will you please join

[0:28] me in the pledge?

[0:33] » I pledge allegiance to the flag

[0:36] of the United States of America

[0:38] and to the republic for which it stands,

[0:41] one nation under God, indivisible, with

[0:45] liberty and justice for all.

[0:51] » [clears throat]

[0:55] » Okay, first on our agenda this evening

[0:58] is the consent calendar, which tonight

[1:00] includes approving the agenda for this

[1:03] evening,

[1:04] the regular meeting minutes from the

[1:07] council for August 3rd, and the invoices

[1:10] in the amount of $82,848.30.

[1:17] I'll need a motion

[1:18] >> I'll make a motion to approve the

[1:20] » I'll make a motion to approve the

[1:20] consent calendar for

[1:23] August 17th.

[1:24] >> Second.

[1:26] » Second.

[1:26] >> Okay, any discussion?

[1:28] » Okay, any discussion?

[1:28] >> Uh I have one. Just a question on

[1:31] » Uh I have one. Just a question on

[1:31] and I have it somewhere.

[1:33] Um Prime Group,

[1:34] Water Street slope stabilization, is

[1:36] that the whole thing including the

[1:37] washout? Or are you going to have

[1:40] another bill coming before what they had

[1:41] to come down for that?

[1:45] I thought they were doing it.

[1:47] It's part of Like is that

[1:50] >> That's for the project. That's for the

[1:52] » That's for the project. That's for the

[1:52] project in the back.

[1:53] >> Yeah.

[1:53] » Yeah.

[1:53] >> Okay. I'll give you an update.

[1:54] » Okay. I'll give you an update.

[1:54] >> And they've been helping us also with

[1:57] » And they've been helping us also with

[1:57] the speed matters, too, because they

[1:59] have the expertise in the background on

[2:02] the Potter Street with with regards to

[2:04] how to reduce the speed, the weight

[2:06] limits, things like that. We had to have

[2:08] those guidance as well.

[2:10] >> I just didn't know if that was wash out.

[2:13] » I just didn't know if that was wash out.

[2:13] >> It's it's related to all of it.

[2:15] » It's it's related to all of it.

[2:16] >> Okay.

[2:16] » Okay.

[2:16] >> Yeah.

[2:16] » Yeah.

[2:16] >> All right, just

[2:18] » All right, just

[2:18] >> Yeah. Yeah, no, that's a good question.

[2:22] Anyone else?

[2:25] Hey.

[2:26] >> Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

[2:28] » Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

[2:28] >> Palmer?

[2:29] » Palmer?

[2:29] >> Yes.

[2:29] » Yes.

[2:29] >> Freeman?

[2:30] » Freeman?

[2:30] >> Yes.

[2:31] » Yes.

[2:31] >> O'Malley?

[2:31] » O'Malley?

[2:31] >> Yes.

[2:32] » Yes.

[2:32] >> Walker?

[2:33] » Walker?

[2:33] >> Yes.

[2:34] » Yes.

[2:34] >> North?

[2:34] » North?

[2:34] >> Yes.

[2:35] » Yes.

[2:35] >> Motion carries.

[2:37] » Motion carries.

[2:37] As this our first opportunity for public

[2:39] communication,

[2:41] uh agenda items only, please.

[2:44] Demetria.

[2:46] Amanda.

[2:52] Hello. Hello.

[2:54] Can you hear me?

[2:57] Yeah. Good. Is it on?

[2:58] >> Yes, yeah.

[3:00] » Yes, yeah.

[3:00] >> No, I can't see.

[3:01] » No, I can't see.

[3:01] >> Well, the Zoom people can't hear you,

[3:02] » Well, the Zoom people can't hear you,

[3:03] that's why.

[3:04] I can hear this one. [clears throat]

[3:06] >> Uh Demetria, 143 Harbor Court. So, I

[3:08] » Uh Demetria, 143 Harbor Court. So, I

[3:08] wanted to uh talk about

[3:10] uh two items in the new business. Uh

[3:13] first one is the

[3:14] letter C, the noise ordinance amendment.

[3:18] And I'm very happy to see this uh

[3:21] revised.

[3:22] Uh because

[3:24] >> [clears throat]

[3:24] » [clears throat]

[3:24] >> you know, I live quite close to the

[3:26] » you know, I live quite close to the

[3:26] Happy Living location, and you know, for

[3:28] a period of time they were

[3:30] really up there

[3:31] early and

[3:33] um sound travels.

[3:35] Um I'm not sure how I might assess the

[3:39] decibel issue, but

[3:41] um

[3:42] ooh

[3:42] I think that's all good.

[3:44] Um letter D,

[3:47] um I hope that the council would approve

[3:49] this. Um

[3:50] the request for the well

[3:53] approval and

[3:55] you know I can assure you that we won't

[3:57] be tapping into

[3:59] other water sources. It's just a

[4:02] very large [clears throat]

[4:03] area to maintain and it's

[4:06] purely for irrigation. So

[4:08] those are my current comments so thank

[4:10] you very much.

[4:12] >> Thank you.

[4:14] » Thank you.

[4:15] Anyone else?

[4:23] » Hello,

[4:24] my name is Anne Siering. I am on the

[4:26] board of the Tower Harbor Condominium

[4:28] Association and I am here to support

[4:31] city approval of the well permit.

[4:34] It has been years and years and years

[4:36] long problem for our condo association.

[4:40] As you may know we take and I think the

[4:42] report

[4:43] and the emails from our board president

[4:45] spells this out but we take water

[4:47] currently from the Kalamazoo River and

[4:49] it's been an ongoing problem. This would

[4:51] allow us to take well and we're not

[4:53] currently on any city water.

[4:55] We'd just be digging a well. We wouldn't

[4:57] be you know asking to connect connect to

[4:59] city water and it would only be used for

[5:01] irrigation purposes.

[5:03] I think we've done a lot to increase our

[5:05] value home values and I think the

[5:07] verification of our property and helping

[5:09] us solve the problem would be very

[5:11] helpful.

[5:12] If during the agenda item you need any

[5:13] additional information as it is a small

[5:15] well it's not that much of a usage water

[5:17] wise so

[5:19] hoping that uh

[5:20] it'll work out tonight. Thank you.

[5:23] >> Thank you.

[5:26] » Thank you.

[5:26] Anyone else?

[5:28] >> [clears throat]

[5:35] » Brad Lobert City Manager, I have a few

[5:37] updates for you.

[5:39] Last week we had an I was present in a

[5:41] meeting with Representative Andrews,

[5:43] Daniel Franco, South Township Manager,

[5:47] representatives from MDOT and the Road

[5:48] Commission to discuss the specifically

[5:52] Holland Street, Blue Star Highway, right

[5:54] by Blue Star Barns, but also the safety

[5:57] of the entire Blue Star corridor. So, we

[5:59] had floated a lot of good ideas to

[6:02] um

[6:03] what we could do temporarily to

[6:06] change the

[6:08] crosswalks, maybe put a light in, or

[6:10] how it would

[6:11] would look like. And just it was a good

[6:14] session to lay out some ideas. You know,

[6:16] there's a long-term plan for that for

[6:19] the whole corridor, obviously from the

[6:20] from the expressway to the expressway,

[6:22] but we're talking 3 to 5 years in the

[6:25] future for anything so substantial. You

[6:28] know, you guys have talked about

[6:29] roundabout here, but just just letting

[6:32] you know that we had that discussion and

[6:33] we're in the works of potentially making

[6:35] changes.

[6:36] Um

[6:39] Senior millage passed 2 to 1. We were

[6:41] happy to see that on the ballot in

[6:43] August, so we'll and we have a

[6:44] commission district millage up in

[6:46] November. We hope to see that pass as

[6:48] well.

[6:49] Uh we're in the process of looking at

[6:51] our budget. We particularly took a good

[6:52] look at it the last meeting.

[6:54] We're looking at a 7.3% increase on

[6:57] revenues and expenditures based on their

[6:59] that's an increase for equalization. So,

[7:02] um

[7:03] few things that that you might see

[7:05] different is we're going to have might

[7:07] have to be exchanged with

[7:08] transportation.

[7:09] It's um they have some in parks.

[7:12] Parks has been a shortfall area and I've

[7:16] talked about before possibly a parks

[7:17] millage county wide, but only had

[7:20] beginning discussions of that. Um but

[7:22] transportation is a little more of a

[7:25] immediate need based on lack of money

[7:27] from the state, so there might be some

[7:29] changes in there. And then also uh

[7:31] you might have heard that

[7:33] our Secretary of State who's running for

[7:36] governor is has floated potential

[7:39] changes in election

[7:41] equipment that might be needed. So, we

[7:43] might make some budget adjustments based

[7:45] on that if that gets

[7:47] comes to fruition if necessary.

[7:51] Uh the West Side Park. So, south of here

[7:54] in West Side Park, we voted to

[7:57] replace the north steps. So, that was

[8:00] right. We talked about doing the south

[8:02] side steps that were washed away years

[8:04] ago. So, but now we've officially voted

[8:07] against bids to replace the north side

[8:09] steps there that are in disrepair. So,

[8:11] we'll hopefully

[8:12] wider steps, bigger landings and all

[8:14] that help people get down there.

[8:17] And the last thing I wanted to touch on

[8:19] um

[8:20] just so you guys are aware.

[8:22] Um

[8:23] I've met with

[8:25] Mr. Mandik from Laketown and uh Mr.

[8:27] Northup here,

[8:29] uh

[8:30] Dan and Franco, Tony Skippa,

[8:32] and Greg Jack regarding

[8:35] possible changes to uh EMS.

[8:39] Okay.

[8:40] All right.

[8:41] Currently, [clears throat] you guys are

[8:42] covered so I see the the south side of

[8:45] Saugatuck Township,

[8:47] but north of there is AMR territory. So,

[8:51] what they are proposing with Mark Meyer

[8:54] of Life EMS is to expand the Life EMS

[8:57] territory to Laketown,

[9:01] Fillmore, and Allendale, and the north

[9:03] side of Manlius Township.

[9:05] This is just initial discussions at the

[9:07] moment. We're not anywhere where we're

[9:10] anywhere solid where we can report

[9:13] anything anybody's made any decisions,

[9:14] but just wanted you guys to know that we

[9:16] are discussing

[9:18] that

[9:19] service.

[9:21] So, I don't know what will come of it.

[9:23] Um

[9:23] so, there may be some changes based on

[9:25] that in the future.

[9:26] Possible to discuss. So,

[9:29] look forward to look at it look at it

[9:30] that. And so, if you guys have any other

[9:32] questions, that's all I have. So.

[9:34] >> Thanks for the update.

[9:35] » Thanks for the update.

[9:35] >> you.

[9:38] » Anyone else?

[9:42] Hey, is there anyone on Zoom that would

[9:44] like to address the council?

[9:50] I see none. We will close public

[9:52] communication.

[9:58] Uh we have no unfinished We have no

[10:00] written communication. We have no

[10:01] unfinished business.

[10:03] Our first item of new business is the

[10:05] special event, Michigan Downtown Day.

[10:10] Let's start with motions, please.

[10:15] » I'll make that motion to approve the

[10:17] special event request since I wrote it

[10:20] from the Downtown Development Authority

[10:22] for the September 26th, 2026 Michigan

[10:25] Downtown Day event.

[10:27] >> Second.

[10:28] » Second.

[10:28] >> Okay.

[10:30] » Okay.

[10:30] Um

[10:31] Do you have anything you would like to

[10:32] add, Alyssa or Randy?

[10:34] >> I This is our second year doing this. Um

[10:37] » I This is our second year doing this. Um

[10:37] this is

[10:38] uh this is a statewide event sponsored

[10:40] by Well, not sponsored by, we're

[10:42] sponsoring it, the DDA, but it's uh

[10:44] sanctioned by the Michigan Downtown

[10:47] Association, which is you know, kind of

[10:50] our I don't know, for lack of a better

[10:51] term, our trade organization, and

[10:55] uh

[10:55] they I don't know how long they've been

[10:57] doing it, but last year was our first

[10:58] year, you recall, we had

[11:01] uh some live music, and we had some food

[11:05] available, and it was We had it thrown

[11:07] together. This year we're doing a little

[11:09] bit more uh legwork for it, and uh one

[11:13] of the things that the DDA gets asked

[11:14] about over and over and over again are

[11:16] the Downtown Socials. This is not a

[11:18] Downtown Social, but it's kind of a

[11:19] similar

[11:20] type event, where we are asking to see

[11:24] how it goes to shut down uh Center

[11:27] Street between Main and Spring,

[11:29] and we will have uh live music again. Uh

[11:36] Council member O'Malley has agreed to

[11:37] help with the cornhole competition.

[11:40] I tried the cornhole competition.

[11:42] The cornhole competition.

[11:45] Uh there will be we'll be inviting the

[11:49] um

[11:50] businesses to set up a tent outside if

[11:52] that We want to make it an event. We

[11:53] want to make it It's an afternoon event,

[11:55] 12:00 to 5:00. Uh and so seeing how this

[11:58] goes, ultimately down the road it would

[12:01] be great if we can even expand Center's,

[12:04] you know, the event on Center Street to

[12:06] bring in those businesses on other

[12:08] sides. To the extent that it's feasible

[12:11] and this is just a kind of an entree

[12:13] into

[12:14] uh exploring how this will go and and

[12:17] what it means. It is at the end of

[12:18] September, so it's not peak season. It's

[12:21] not um it shouldn't be too much of a

[12:24] problem. It will limit some of the

[12:25] parking, but I met with um

[12:28] uh

[12:29] Chief Freeman at that meeting or was

[12:30] that Lori?

[12:32] >> She did.

[12:32] » She did.

[12:32] >> Oh, you were

[12:33] » Oh, you were

[12:33] I'm sorry.

[12:34] Uh and and with uh DPW and

[12:39] uh

[12:40] they feel that it is a doable thing. Am

[12:43] I forgetting anything?

[12:44] >> Uh it's from Well, you're going to start

[12:46] » Uh it's from Well, you're going to start

[12:46] street closure 11:30 a.m. and it's until

[12:48] reopen at 5:30.

[12:52] >> One question.

[12:52] » One question.

[12:52] >> Yeah.

[12:53] » Yeah.

[12:53] >> Did Chief Jane

[12:54] » Did Chief Jane

[12:54] the meeting? And we've tried doing that

[12:56] before and he he was really you know, he

[12:58] wasn't

[12:59] sure if he was waving in or something. I

[13:00] just don't want you to run into a

[13:01] surprise there.

[13:04] >> No.

[13:04] » No.

[13:04] >> Yeah.

[13:06] » Yeah.

[13:06] Okay.

[13:06] >> [laughter]

[13:06] » [laughter]

[13:06] >> That's our job.

[13:08] » That's our job.

[13:08] >> Well, it's it's a one block closure, so

[13:10] » Well, it's it's a one block closure, so

[13:10] that changes a lot of things for it

[13:12] where they would have access to

[13:14] hydrants, anything they would need.

[13:17] Um we can make sure with the DPW that

[13:21] the way the street is barricaded is

[13:23] easily accessible.

[13:25] >> But that was his thing before I I just I

[13:27] » But that was his thing before I I just I

[13:27] don't know if you can only get a truck

[13:28] down there.

[13:29] >> Yeah,

[13:29] » Yeah,

[13:29] >> think we should reach out to him and let

[13:30] » think we should reach out to him and let

[13:30] him know. Thanks.

[13:36] » Usually he's more concerned when it's

[13:38] multiple blocks.

[13:39] >> Got it.

[13:40] » Got it.

[13:40] >> Well,

[13:41] » Well,

[13:41] I can't obviously I can't speak.

[13:43] >> Yeah, I didn't think of it. Did we meet

[13:45] » Yeah, I didn't think of it. Did we meet

[13:45] with him regarding farmers market and

[13:47] the closure of that street?

[13:49] I don't think we We don't have

[13:51] I'll reach out to him and make sure he

[13:54] That's what I said. Thank you for

[13:56] volunteering him.

[13:57] >> For multiple blocks.

[13:59] » For multiple blocks.

[13:59] >> Yeah, I understand.

[14:03] Um we'll know more Saturday again.

[14:08] We have another meeting tomorrow in our

[14:09] our next planning meeting next week, so

[14:12] we're hoping to have more

[14:15] fun stuff available that day. No

[14:17] promises.

[14:20] » Any other discussion?

[14:23] Then the vote is on the motion.

[14:28] » Rayman?

[14:29] >> Yes.

[14:30] » Yes.

[14:30] >> O'Malley?

[14:31] » O'Malley?

[14:31] >> Yes.

[14:32] » Yes.

[14:32] >> Walker?

[14:33] » Walker?

[14:33] >> Yes.

[14:33] » Yes.

[14:33] >> Palmer?

[14:34] » Palmer?

[14:34] >> Yes.

[14:35] » Yes.

[14:35] >> Nohr?

[14:35] » Nohr?

[14:35] >> Yes.

[14:36] » Yes.

[14:36] >> Motion carried.

[14:38] » Motion carried.

[14:38] >> Thanks.

[14:39] » Thanks.

[14:39] >> Next is the Michigan Municipal League

[14:41] » Next is the Michigan Municipal League

[14:41] annual convention designation of voter

[14:45] voting delegate.

[14:46] >> Lisa.

[14:48] » Lisa.

[14:48] Do you want to get a motion there?

[14:51] Do you want to get a motion first?

[14:53] >> Well, do we need

[14:54] » Well, do we need

[14:54] >> Do we need

[14:55] » Do we need

[14:55] to put a name in there?

[14:57] How much?

[14:58] Do we need a motion to consider who we

[15:00] will name first?

[15:01] >> Um so we can with that one if you wanted

[15:04] » Um so we can with that one if you wanted

[15:04] to make a motion. You could make a

[15:06] motion just to designate

[15:08] somebody.

[15:11] » I move

[15:13] >> No, you go ahead. You go

[15:15] » No, you go ahead. You go

[15:15] >> Yeah.

[15:17] » Yeah.

[15:17] I move to designate

[15:19] a member of council

[15:22] to be named shortly as the city of

[15:24] Village of Douglas official voting

[15:26] delegate for the Michigan Municipal

[15:28] League.

[15:30] » I'll second.

[15:31] >> Okay.

[15:32] » Okay.

[15:32] >> I'm I'm going to second.

[15:33] » I'm I'm going to second.

[15:33] >> I'm more on the back though.

[15:34] » I'm more on the back though.

[15:34] >> Yeah, um well, I haven't done this

[15:36] » Yeah, um well, I haven't done this

[15:36] before. Yeah, it says and a alternate

[15:38] voting.

[15:38] >> And an alternative

[15:40] » And an alternative

[15:40] >> Yeah.

[15:40] » Yeah.

[15:40] >> I amend my motion to have an alternative

[15:42] » I amend my motion to have an alternative

[15:42] if you're

[15:43] you're interested.

[15:43] >> I'm looking at it as well. Okay.

[15:46] » I'm looking at it as well. Okay.

[15:46] So, I haven't seen this before. I don't

[15:47] know if this is something new. I hadn't

[15:48] done this in the past, but we received

[15:50] that letter which I shared with the

[15:51] council just to let you know. And then

[15:52] we just have to let them know once you

[15:54] have provided a

[15:57] designated delegate and an alternate, we

[15:59] just need to let them know cuz the

[16:00] conference is coming up soon. So.

[16:03] That's pretty

[16:03] >> So, we have to go to the conference?

[16:06] » So, we have to go to the conference?

[16:06] >> I I yeah, I mean that's it's in case in

[16:08] » I I yeah, I mean that's it's in case in

[16:08] the event somebody does want to go to

[16:09] the conference. So.

[16:12] >> Well, I'm

[16:14] » Well, I'm

[16:14] I'm enrolled or registered for the

[16:15] conference.

[16:16] >> There you go. Yeah.

[16:18] » There you go. Yeah.

[16:18] >> Since September.

[16:19] » Since September.

[16:19] Right.

[16:20] Pardon? I think it's in September,

[16:22] right?

[16:22] >> October.

[16:23] » October.

[16:23] >> October, it's in Traverse City.

[16:25] » October, it's in Traverse City.

[16:25] >> If this is an ongoing thing,

[16:28] » If this is an ongoing thing,

[16:28] should we just make it so it's always

[16:29] the mayor and the alternate or we don't

[16:31] do

[16:31] >> Oh, no, I think they they ask for a name

[16:33] » Oh, no, I think they they ask for a name

[16:33] every year.

[16:35] Because it changes.

[16:36] >> And it might not I mean, I might not be

[16:39] » And it might not I mean, I might not be

[16:39] able to go.

[16:39] >> I mean, I always go to the conference.

[16:41] » I mean, I always go to the conference.

[16:41] >> Yeah.

[16:42] » Yeah.

[16:42] >> And we just submit the name or the mayor

[16:43] » And we just submit the name or the mayor

[16:43] pro tem if it's the alternate and he

[16:45] submits the name. Or if you want to pick

[16:46] on someone, the the the youngest person

[16:49] on the council.

[16:50] >> Are you talking about

[16:50] » Are you talking about

[16:50] >> Not by age, but by

[16:52] » Not by age, but by

[16:52] >> Or the newest. Yeah.

[16:54] » Or the newest. Yeah.

[16:54] >> I just want to jot down we can always

[16:56] » I just want to jot down we can always

[16:56] name someone new every year, I guess,

[16:57] but if then you're not having this who's

[16:59] going to do it kind of thing. It's like

[17:00] you're doing it.

[17:02] Some people like

[17:03] >> Well, you have to be a good

[17:05] » Well, you have to be a good

[17:05] thing. Yeah, to mix it up so many

[17:06] people attend the conference. It's

[17:09] really worthwhile.

[17:11] >> Okay.

[17:12] » Okay.

[17:12] >> So, you're going to be there. I I

[17:14] » So, you're going to be there. I I

[17:14] >> Should we You'd name an alternate?

[17:18] » Should we You'd name an alternate?

[17:18] >> Yes. Yes, just in case. I mean, it just

[17:20] » Yes. Yes, just in case. I mean, it just

[17:20] in case you you want to send another

[17:21] delegate up if something were to come up

[17:23] or, you know, things

[17:25] you need to change the the registration

[17:27] or something like that. I think that's

[17:28] why they like that.

[17:30] So.

[17:34] Does anybody want to

[17:35] make a recommendation and then a second

[17:37] person?

[17:39] >> Well, we can

[17:40] » Well, we can

[17:40] recommend

[17:42] Mayor North right off the bat.

[17:43] >> Okay.

[17:45] » Okay.

[17:45] >> And a good traveling partner would be

[17:46] » And a good traveling partner would be

[17:46] the Mayor Pro Tem.

[17:48] >> I probably

[17:50] » I probably

[17:50] >> I think it's

[17:51] » I think it's

[17:51] >> Denver was the only one.

[17:52] » Denver was the only one.

[17:52] >> [laughter]

[17:54] » [laughter]

[17:54] >> It's my birthday month.

[17:55] » It's my birthday month.

[17:55] >> Oh, and then

[17:58] I need a motion to actually name them,

[18:00] too.

[18:01] >> Okay.

[18:01] » Okay.

[18:01] >> Okay.

[18:03] » Okay.

[18:03] Okay.

[18:04] >> Do we really need a I mean

[18:07] » Do we really need a I mean

[18:07] >> An alternate?

[18:07] » An alternate?

[18:07] >> Yes.

[18:08] » Yes.

[18:08] >> That's what they I mean, that's what

[18:09] » That's what they I mean, that's what

[18:09] they ask for.

[18:10] >> I think Jeff West should be the

[18:12] » I think Jeff West should be the

[18:12] alternate. He's not here to defend

[18:13] himself.

[18:14] >> What's the word now?

[18:15] » What's the word now?

[18:15] >> Okay.

[18:16] » Okay.

[18:16] So, you just want to say Do I don't

[18:18] think you have to read the whole thing

[18:19] again. Just the Mayor and the Mayor

[18:20] >> that in my motion to um

[18:23] » that in my motion to um

[18:23] >> designate the Mayor

[18:24] » designate the Mayor

[18:24] >> designate

[18:26] » designate

[18:26] Gary North as our

[18:28] um delegate person who's going and the

[18:31] alternate would be council person um

[18:33] Jeff West.

[18:35] >> There we go.

[18:36] » There we go.

[18:36] >> I now amend my second.

[18:39] » I now amend my second.

[18:39] >> Okay, any more discussion?

[18:42] » Okay, any more discussion?

[18:42] Hey, roll call vote, please.

[18:44] >> O'Malley?

[18:44] » O'Malley?

[18:44] >> Yes.

[18:45] » Yes.

[18:45] >> Walker?

[18:46] » Walker?

[18:46] >> Yes.

[18:47] » Yes.

[18:47] >> Bomber?

[18:47] » Bomber?

[18:47] >> Yes.

[18:48] » Yes.

[18:48] >> Freeman?

[18:49] » Freeman?

[18:49] >> Yes.

[18:49] » Yes.

[18:49] >> North?

[18:50] » North?

[18:50] >> Yes.

[18:50] » Yes.

[18:50] >> Motion carried.

[18:56] Next is our first reading of the noise

[18:59] ordinance amendment.

[19:01] >> So, for all this one, um there's no

[19:03] » So, for all this one, um there's no

[19:03] action needs to be taken for this, but

[19:05] um just to provide context, the reason

[19:07] for this was just due to a dispute

[19:09] between two your during a construction.

[19:12] Um our police department has been out

[19:13] there and there has been issues with

[19:16] um

[19:17] the discrepancies between the noise

[19:18] ordinance and how it's enforced

[19:21] cuz um

[19:22] we had reached out to our city attorneys

[19:24] on feedback about how can we address it,

[19:27] what can we do, does it have to be by

[19:28] discretion? She advised us just to amend

[19:31] the ordinance. She provided her own

[19:32] suggestions, which was provided to the

[19:34] council

[19:36] of what made the most sense just to

[19:37] address the construction at that time

[19:38] frame with a new reasonable hours too as

[19:41] well, which doesn't happen too early and

[19:43] it doesn't happen too late as well.

[19:45] So, that's um it for that.

[19:52] » Anybody have any discussion?

[19:56] I sure don't. I sure don't blame them. I

[19:58] can't believe I'm losing those two

[19:59] houses.

[20:01] The houses I mean it's

[20:03] >> 7 ft and 8 on the other side of Mr.

[20:05] » 7 ft and 8 on the other side of Mr.

[20:05] McDowell.

[20:06] >> I can add a little context if you want.

[20:09] » I can add a little context if you want.

[20:09] We didn't really have a good noise

[20:11] ordinance years ago and there was a

[20:14] Saugatuck constituent who lived on the

[20:17] river who was always calling the police

[20:19] because the Red Dock was too noisy

[20:21] >> [clears throat]

[20:22] » [clears throat]

[20:22] >> and

[20:23] » and

[20:23] nobody did anything because we didn't

[20:25] really have an ordinance. So, anyway

[20:27] it got to the point where it's going to

[20:28] go to court

[20:30] and eventually and I wrote a letter cuz

[20:32] I was mayor at the time that said, "We

[20:34] don't have an ordinance with teeth that

[20:37] you know, could do anything to." And I

[20:39] it was Tony from the Red Dock Lake.

[20:41] You can't help it. Not to mention the

[20:42] person that's complaining is not even

[20:45] from Douglas, right? So, this noise

[20:48] ordinance is written and I think where

[20:49] the hiccup is is it doesn't

[20:50] differentiate construction noise and

[20:51] things like that from like bands. But, I

[20:53] know at the time, she correct me if I'm

[20:55] wrong, we were more concerned with like

[20:57] live live music. So, they went out with

[20:59] a decibel reader to the place that had

[21:01] live music outside and they would

[21:03] measure from the nearest property. I

[21:05] know, if If complaining and know, if no

[21:07] one's complaining, then this is

[21:08] acceptable, basically. So, they kind of

[21:10] came up with a number of what was

[21:11] acceptable.

[21:13] Drafted the ordinance, brought it to

[21:15] Saugatuck, and said, "You have a

[21:17] person who's always complaining at the

[21:18] time we shared a police department.

[21:19] Wouldn't it make sense if you guys

[21:21] adopted this, too?" And they said, "No,

[21:23] we're a party town. It's going to get

[21:25] noisy here, and we don't want your

[21:26] ordinance." And we said, "Okay." So, we

[21:28] implemented it, and then when the person

[21:30] from Saugatuck was still calling to

[21:31] complain, we'd say, "You're not in

[21:34] Douglas, and you don't have a noise

[21:35] ordinance, so you can't complain."

[21:37] But it Like I said, it didn't address

[21:38] like construction noise or things like

[21:40] that as as clearly as it should have.

[21:45] » So, since we're

[21:46] the royal we, you guys are in the

[21:48] process of rewriting the ordinances, is

[21:51] it common to just jump the line and

[21:56] initiate a rewrite of the zoning

[21:58] >> So, this isn't a zoning ordinance. This

[22:00] » So, this isn't a zoning ordinance. This

[22:00] is a general code ordinance.

[22:01] >> Okay. So, it's not Okay.

[22:04] » Okay. So, it's not Okay.

[22:04] >> Two different things.

[22:05] » Two different things.

[22:05] >> Got it.

[22:06] » Got it.

[22:06] Thank you.

[22:09] » Oh.

[22:10] Thanks for the info. So, that will be on

[22:13] the second review and be at the next

[22:14] meeting.

[22:15] >> Yep, the next meeting next month.

[22:17] » Yep, the next meeting next month.

[22:17] >> All right. Um

[22:19] » All right. Um

[22:19] Next is the Tower Harbor Association

[22:22] well request.

[22:23] >> Wait, tell us about this, Jared.

[22:26] » Wait, tell us about this, Jared.

[22:26] >> Did I skip something?

[22:29] » Um for this one here, um did a little

[22:31] bit of extensive research um but for the

[22:33] Tower Harbor Association they did a

[22:35] request to drill a well for the

[22:36] irrigation. Uh I did speak with Doug at

[22:39] Kaleva about this, too, as well. It's

[22:40] been something that they're that's

[22:42] pretty fairly common. They said that

[22:43] they don't have any issue with it as

[22:45] long as it's um for irrigation purposes

[22:48] and there's no cross connection cuz

[22:49] they're worried about um somebody

[22:51] randomly tapping into the well and

[22:53] cross-contaminating our water. Um I did

[22:56] speak with uh Ken, too, our city

[22:58] engineer. He does have an issue with

[22:59] this, too. Um actually led me to a path

[23:02] of um, these approvals that council has

[23:04] done which was over at Golfview, which

[23:06] you guys approved or council approved on

[23:08] the well for them to fill in the pond.

[23:11] So, similar um, almost the same

[23:13] basically the same thing, but um, they

[23:16] both both um, properties do have

[23:18] connection to municipal water for their

[23:20] actual water services.

[23:22] Um, but um, that's pretty much it for

[23:24] that record there.

[23:30] » Um,

[23:32] so, let's get a motion.

[23:37] » I'd like to make uh, make a motion to

[23:38] approve the well to be constructed near

[23:40] 374 Mariners Cove for Tower Harbor

[23:43] Condominium Association subject to

[23:45] approval of the Allegan County Health

[23:47] Department and based on the finding that

[23:49] the well will be used only for

[23:50] irrigation purposes

[23:52] and will remain independent from the

[23:53] municipal water system and will not

[23:55] create a cross connection.

[23:58] >> Second.

[23:59] » Second.

[23:59] >> Hey.

[24:01] » Hey.

[24:01] Any discussions further?

[24:07] Hey, seeing none, Madam Clerk.

[24:10] >> Walker?

[24:11] » Walker?

[24:11] >> Yes.

[24:12] » Yes.

[24:12] >> Balmer?

[24:13] » Balmer?

[24:13] >> Yes.

[24:14] » Yes.

[24:14] >> Freeman?

[24:14] » Freeman?

[24:14] >> Yes.

[24:15] » Yes.

[24:15] >> O'Malley?

[24:16] » O'Malley?

[24:16] >> Yes.

[24:16] » Yes.

[24:16] >> North?

[24:17] » North?

[24:17] >> Yes.

[24:18] » Yes.

[24:18] >> Mosher Harris? [clears throat]

[24:19] » Mosher Harris? [clears throat]

[24:19] >> Yes.

[24:21] » Yes.

[24:21] >> Hey, onto reports

[24:23] » Hey, onto reports

[24:23] uh, starting with the Planning

[24:24] Commission.

[24:25] >> Ah, I was ready for that. Hey.

[24:27] » Ah, I was ready for that. Hey.

[24:27] I wasn't going to be

[24:31] Um,

[24:33] Okay, two things on last week's docket.

[24:35] Um,

[24:37] one was changing and I think a lot of

[24:39] people are going to be happy to hear

[24:40] this. Um,

[24:42] 13 South Weeling Street is the little

[24:43] white house across from the post office

[24:45] where there's rather large brick

[24:47] building that's going to go there. Um,

[24:49] four stores downstairs, three apartments

[24:52] upstairs. And it got a a flack about I

[24:56] guess the aesthetic not really fitting

[24:58] the town, but we don't really control

[25:00] the aesthetics. We only control

[25:03] safety and zoning issues, right? But,

[25:06] they were really good with it. It's AMK

[25:08] who who owns it. They asked to come back

[25:10] because they wanted to make some changes

[25:12] to the exterior, what it looked like,

[25:14] and they really did do a good job. I

[25:16] mean, they they

[25:18] integrated some board and batten style

[25:20] insertions, and they added to the roof

[25:22] line, so it almost looks kind of like

[25:24] bracket buildings roofline where it's

[25:26] got some more detail on it, and it

[25:29] really softens the building and warms it

[25:30] up some, and so it'll be a mixture of

[25:33] like a wood look with brick.

[25:35] Um, we can

[25:37] pull pictures up at some point if you

[25:38] want or it's on If you go into our

[25:40] meeting room in the back here, you can

[25:42] see all the pictures in there, the

[25:43] renderings. And so, that was one. We

[25:45] approved it. And then, the next one was

[25:48] for

[25:49] three lots that are next to the bowling

[25:51] alley. The gentleman who owns the police

[25:53] station now, the former police station,

[25:55] he also owns that.

[25:57] And

[25:58] he wants to put in

[26:00] ground floor commercial, as our

[26:03] ordinance would say, on Center Street,

[26:05] but he wants to do ground floor

[26:06] residential, which is allowed through

[26:08] Article 26.13,

[26:10] but you have to meet like six criteria.

[26:13] And they they actually meet all the

[26:15] criteria for the ground floor, so not a

[26:17] problem.

[26:18] However, when it came to parking,

[26:20] um,

[26:22] from the way they calculated they needed

[26:24] 33 spaces, although there was questions

[26:26] on how they calculated and it turned

[26:27] what was on the site plan, it didn't

[26:30] match. So, Shawn pointed that out. And

[26:33] then, the other one is they didn't ask

[26:35] for a waiver or reduction at all. They

[26:39] just came in thinking that they met the

[26:41] ordinance of Cuz when you're in the C-1,

[26:44] the mix plan is different.

[26:46] Parking requirements are done by use.

[26:48] So, if you have a restaurant, you you X

[26:50] amount of parking, units, calculated by

[26:53] the different things. Retail is

[26:55] calculated different than office space

[26:56] and all that.

[26:58] So, you do your calculations for how

[27:00] many parking spaces you needed by what

[27:02] types of uses are on your building, and

[27:05] those are generally

[27:07] the only two commercial areas that we

[27:08] ever see to which is Blue Star and C1

[27:09] which is the DDA area.

[27:11] Well, the C2 area

[27:14] the minimum lot size is 30,000 square

[27:16] feet or larger.

[27:18] So, you can fit parking. So, you're

[27:19] going to have

[27:21] your full parking requirements. Downtown

[27:23] is only 4,000 square foot minimum, and

[27:26] you can build up line to lot line. So,

[27:28] it's almost impossible to fit your

[27:30] parking. So, what they did years ago is

[27:32] they just put in an automatic 50%

[27:34] reduction

[27:35] if you're by right, and if you're not by

[27:37] right, then you have to provide 100%

[27:40] unless you ask for a reduction or a

[27:44] waiver, which they did not ask for. So,

[27:46] we told them that they'll have to go

[27:48] back and figure out how to fit their

[27:50] parking in and you know, do whatever.

[27:52] So, we tabled it

[27:54] based on that.

[27:56] And a few other things.

[27:57] >> When do they think that they might

[27:58] » When do they think that they might

[27:58] actually start if it gets approved? Is

[28:01] it

[28:01] >> He wants to start soon. Um, the first

[28:03] » He wants to start soon. Um, the first

[28:03] thing, and I don't know which one of

[28:04] them he's got to do the other one, too,

[28:06] but he's got two properties he wants to

[28:08] do. He also wants 200 Center Street,

[28:10] which is between Jake Way and the Cove.

[28:13] That came to us a year and a half to 2

[28:15] years ago and he wanted to do a

[28:16] three-story building and all this, and

[28:18] we we said no. So, um,

[28:21] I don't know exactly what time of this

[28:22] one. He has to come back with his

[28:24] revised plan or what he's going to do

[28:26] with the parking for this one. The other

[28:27] thing he has to do is he has to have an

[28:30] he has an easement with the bowling

[28:32] alley, and the bowling alley is in favor

[28:33] of doing this,

[28:35] but Shawn and I talked like

[28:38] you can work on getting this big that

[28:40] permit they have the documentation, the

[28:41] legal work drawn up. Shawn hasn't seen

[28:43] it yet. And um,

[28:46] or maintenance. So, like let's just take

[28:47] a look at something like Penn Rail where

[28:49] there's an easement and there's dual

[28:52] I'd say because you have an easement

[28:54] partnership in it, right? And then now

[28:56] what's their maintenance agreement look

[28:58] like? I mean, you guys that's why you

[28:59] have all those cars on Blue Star, right?

[29:01] Cuz they're fighting over who's going to

[29:02] maintain it, who's going to pay for how

[29:04] much of it. We don't want to have that

[29:06] happen here.

[29:07] So, they have to have that

[29:09] >> And

[29:09] » And

[29:09] >> in the works. Probably would be

[29:11] » in the works. Probably would be

[29:11] conditional to be able based on them

[29:13] getting that approved by our attorney,

[29:15] >> Attorney, right?

[29:16] » Attorney, right?

[29:16] >> So,

[29:18] » So,

[29:18] I know so you want to hear about the

[29:19] building, it's as you're looking at it,

[29:22] it's

[29:23] a retail shop, it's quite large and then

[29:25] all of the parking is going to be

[29:27] between the bowling alley and the other

[29:29] building and towards the back. All of

[29:31] the frontage

[29:34] on the parking lot is retail or office

[29:37] and then there's a hallway that runs

[29:38] down the backside of it where there's

[29:39] four apartments downstairs and then

[29:41] there's nine upstairs.

[29:44] But, we'll see where they come in

[29:45] numbers-wise when they figure [snorts]

[29:48] out their parking.

[29:50] >> When they came in for the DDA, we

[29:55] uh,

[29:55] strongly

[29:57] agreed to it with the understanding that

[30:02] those office spaces would not be on

[30:05] Center Street but rather facing

[30:07] >> They are. They're back and facing the

[30:08] » They are. They're back and facing the

[30:09] bowling alley and they've got main

[30:10] retail on the front. It goes across the

[30:12] whole front. Sizeable space actually.

[30:14] And that that's also on our If you were

[30:17] to go over that or just on the agendas

[30:18] and stuff like that, you can see the

[30:20] plan.

[30:21] >> Also, it would be helpful of going

[30:23] » Also, it would be helpful of going

[30:23] forward, I don't know if we mentioned

[30:24] this to you, Matt, but the DDA's also

[30:26] talking about the potential for a lot of

[30:28] construction happening in the downtown

[30:30] corridor at one time which

[30:33] most of us think is better than having

[30:36] this road closed or this whatever. It's

[30:39] kind of like a let's get it done

[30:40] approach.

[30:41] >> six months and then you close over here

[30:43] » six months and then you close over here

[30:43] for six months. So we're trying to kind

[30:44] of talk as a DDA get prepared for what

[30:47] that will look like. So it's anytime

[30:49] that there is an update on a potential

[30:53] start for any of the projects, the DDA

[30:55] is looking into how we can um combat

[30:58] combat like trap, you know,

[31:01] the downtown.

[31:02] >> planning commission meetings, one of the

[31:03] » planning commission meetings, one of the

[31:03] things we put in as a condition is that

[31:05] they're keeping us up to date. That all

[31:06] goes to Shawn. So when Shawn hears

[31:08] what's going on, he's issuing things, he

[31:10] can let kind of you

[31:11] >> Will you let us know, Shawn?

[31:12] » Will you let us know, Shawn?

[31:12] >> Yeah, I mentioned at the DDA meeting

[31:13] » Yeah, I mentioned at the DDA meeting

[31:13] that I'll keep you guys posted. We still

[31:15] go through that process of when um you

[31:18] have these kind of developments and

[31:19] capital improvement closures,

[31:20] specifically because they tie to water

[31:22] and sewer connection. Being regular ones

[31:24] that review it, we look at the traffic

[31:26] control plans, we make sure that uh um

[31:28] like before they even start that we

[31:30] notify those within 300 ft. They're, you

[31:32] know, give them more flexibility to plan

[31:33] their routes. I'm planning on doing the

[31:35] same thing, too, with the downtown. The

[31:36] procedure's not going to change at all,

[31:38] but we're going to give you guys more

[31:39] action. You don't know this, though.

[31:41] >> But the business is open during

[31:43] » But the business is open during

[31:43] construction is what Randy was concerned

[31:44] about. Making sure people know

[31:48] Yes. Yes. Which is important.

[31:49] >> When we did Center Street, it was it was

[31:51] » When we did Center Street, it was it was

[31:51] a pain, but it was good to get it all

[31:53] done. And I just put it on everybody's

[31:54] radar and it's not been before us, but

[31:56] it's been before Shawn, so I can't speak

[31:58] to what it is, really, but I believe

[32:00] that our auto time is planned to be also

[32:03] coming before us in the near future to

[32:05] put up a mixed-use for their outdoor

[32:08] area is.

[32:09] So there is a lot of construction coming

[32:11] down by us.

[32:14] >> So far with the way things are going,

[32:15] » So far with the way things are going,

[32:15] right?

[32:16] >> We wanted it to be vibrant, and it's

[32:18] » We wanted it to be vibrant, and it's

[32:18] happening.

[32:19] >> Yeah, so far, I mean, it would kind of

[32:20] » Yeah, so far, I mean, it would kind of

[32:20] with the way things are going down, even

[32:22] after approval, they still have to go

[32:23] through the process of bidding out their

[32:25] construction, you know, for with the

[32:27] contractors. So it's starting to look

[32:28] like a lot of these things going to be

[32:30] happening in the off-season.

[32:32] >> Right.

[32:33] » Right.

[32:33] >> One last one I'll throw out that we we

[32:35] » One last one I'll throw out that we we

[32:35] talked about, but not the detail is um

[32:39] it's the corner of Randolph and Blue

[32:41] Star where in

[32:43] any of you old folks around here

[32:44] remember it's where the woodshed was,

[32:45] the old woodshed.

[32:47] Um yeah. And but anyways it's

[32:50] there's M&M's and then it's kind of

[32:51] vacant until you get Randolph.

[32:54] That

[32:55] someone's working on developing all

[32:56] that.

[32:58] >> Excellent, it'd be great.

[32:59] » Excellent, it'd be great.

[32:59] >> Yeah.

[32:59] » Yeah.

[32:59] >> Mhm.

[33:00] » Mhm.

[33:00] >> Unless it's an AutoZone.

[33:02] » Unless it's an AutoZone.

[33:02] I'm just kidding.

[33:03] >> Yeah, well they got to worry they got to

[33:04] » Yeah, well they got to worry they got to

[33:04] worry about

[33:05] >> What is school old? That's one thing.

[33:06] » What is school old? That's one thing.

[33:06] Yeah, I can't

[33:07] base on what you want to stand here.

[33:09] And then um

[33:10] setback.

[33:12] >> Yeah, it's a large setback area because

[33:14] » Yeah, it's a large setback area because

[33:14] it's double what it's 66-ft

[33:16] right-of-way. It's it's like 100 and

[33:20] 120-ft right-of-way on on Blue Star.

[33:22] It's a

[33:23] big big

[33:25] right-of-way.

[33:26] Mhm.

[33:29] Well, that's all I got for you.

[33:30] >> That's good. That was a lot. Thank you.

[33:32] » That's good. That was a lot. Thank you.

[33:32] Good info.

[33:34] Um Kill Lake sewer and water, Mr.

[33:36] Freeman, please.

[33:37] >> Thank you. Kill Lake sewer and water, my

[33:38] » Thank you. Kill Lake sewer and water, my

[33:38] report will be

[33:40] much like our meeting this morning

[33:41] brief.

[33:43] Which unlike our meeting last week which

[33:44] or last time which was over 200 pages

[33:47] and 2 hours and plus.

[33:48] Uh meeting was fairly brief this

[33:50] morning. A couple of things that are of

[33:51] interest.

[33:53] Um

[33:54] one of the things you'll be seeing soon

[33:56] coming to a mailbox near you is your

[33:58] water bill is changing.

[34:01] Not the amount of the bill, the look of

[34:02] the

[34:04] What's that?

[34:04] >> We know.

[34:05] » We know.

[34:05] >> There is a $3 credit.

[34:07] » There is a $3 credit.

[34:07] >> You can it's what it

[34:08] » You can it's what it

[34:08] >> That's a change.

[34:09] » That's a change.

[34:09] >> You know, it's like talking to my wife.

[34:10] » You know, it's like talking to my wife.

[34:10] It was creepy to her.

[34:12] Um yes, if you if you go on auto pay,

[34:15] you will get a $3 credit on your bill.

[34:17] Um what I really I I'm you're I'm

[34:19] kidding you but thank you, Ted. That's

[34:20] part of it.

[34:21] >> What if you're already on auto pay, do

[34:22] » What if you're already on auto pay, do

[34:22] you still get it?

[34:23] >> What's it?

[34:25] » What's it?

[34:25] Say it again.

[34:26] >> What if you're already on auto pay, do

[34:28] » What if you're already on auto pay, do

[34:28] you still get it? I just got it on auto

[34:30] >> Yeah, yeah, you do.

[34:31] » Yeah, yeah, you do.

[34:31] >> Everybody between 10.

[34:33] » Everybody between 10.

[34:33] >> The format the everybody Sorry, we have

[34:35] » The format the everybody Sorry, we have

[34:35] a special program here.

[34:37] The format of the bill is changing.

[34:40] And so, instead of the little postcard,

[34:42] which was once described by a person who

[34:44] came to our meeting as the little

[34:45] postcard that everyone hates, the bill

[34:48] will now be a a trifold bill in a window

[34:50] envelope.

[34:51] All of the billing information will be

[34:52] on the front of the bill.

[34:54] So, the amounts you're paying and all of

[34:56] the codes and everything will be on the

[34:57] front of the bill. So, you won't have to

[34:58] keep flipping the thing over to figure

[34:59] out what's on the back.

[35:01] And that's a small thing, but it it

[35:03] makes the bill actually much more

[35:04] convenient. You will be able also to

[35:05] sign up for auto pay, and there will be

[35:07] a $3 credit if you can do that.

[35:09] The back of the bill is going to be a

[35:13] newsletter type space.

[35:15] So, new policies and procedures, meet

[35:17] our staff, uh things of public interest,

[35:20] projects that we're doing, will be on

[35:22] the back of the bill. So, with the

[35:24] information on the back and the bill

[35:25] will all be on the front part of the of

[35:27] the bill. And those those paper bills

[35:29] went in the mail today. You're going to

[35:31] get

[35:32] Well, we're actually, you know, I've

[35:33] been saying it for a while now. It's a

[35:35] new day at KLSWA. We're trying to make

[35:37] it better and more more open.

[35:38] >> Please tell us more. Public.

[35:40] » Please tell us more. Public.

[35:40] >> The other thing, if you don't know

[35:41] » The other thing, if you don't know

[35:41] already, we have Cal Lake has a Facebook

[35:45] page.

[35:46] Can you imagine that that would have

[35:47] ever happened in the past? We have a

[35:49] Facebook page. It's starting it's

[35:51] limited it's not it's not open for a lot

[35:54] of public comment just yet. We're just

[35:55] feeling our way with it. But, we're now

[35:58] using Facebook as a way to communicate

[36:00] things that are happening as another

[36:01] another communication channel. So, we're

[36:05] slowly with our new administrator and

[36:07] our new front office staff, we're

[36:08] bringing that stuff forward. And I think

[36:11] it's I think it's pretty exciting. Uh

[36:13] there's lots of things in flight. Uh

[36:16] we've got a big capital improvement plan

[36:18] that'll be starting uh with construction

[36:20] in the fall.

[36:21] Um so, stay tuned for all of that. But,

[36:23] these are these are things that we

[36:24] talked about today, the new bill, uh the

[36:26] new way to pay the bill, and um

[36:28] the Facebook page, which I think is is

[36:30] exciting. So, uh yeah, that's that's it

[36:33] for for me. Yes, sir.

[36:35] >> One quick thing. Thank you.

[36:37] » One quick thing. Thank you.

[36:37] I love that you have the Facebook page,

[36:39] and then and it's great that you're

[36:40] doing a new bill, and you put

[36:42] information on the back, but and I know

[36:44] you guys are all just starting, and I'm

[36:45] sure you probably talked about this, but

[36:46] is it going to be Is there any talk

[36:48] about possibly being like what Lisa does

[36:50] with the admin page for here? Cuz I

[36:52] think that's wonderful. It It's always

[36:54] like here's the weekly update, what's

[36:56] going on, or here's construction, or

[36:58] just Kelly's off and out doing things,

[37:00] shutting things down, blocking things

[37:01] off, no one knows, but if if it could be

[37:03] put on Facebook, it's just even a

[37:04] reminder

[37:05] >> that's that's the intent. And that's the

[37:08] » that's that's the intent. And that's the

[37:08] intent as when we as we as we were sure

[37:10] to use Facebook to use Facebook, and

[37:12] also the back of the bill, but Facebook

[37:14] is more real time to communicate exactly

[37:16] those kinds of things.

[37:17] >> Yeah, for the community updates for the

[37:19] » Yeah, for the community updates for the

[37:19] disclosures.

[37:20] >> Exactly. That's exactly what we're

[37:21] » Exactly. That's exactly what we're

[37:21] doing.

[37:22] >> That's cool.

[37:22] » That's cool.

[37:22] >> We try to cross with the constant

[37:23] » We try to cross with the constant

[37:23] contact, too, and keep all the messaging

[37:25] very, very much the same. So, Jenny or

[37:27] Laura or somebody will be doing the

[37:29] >> people will find that so helpful if you

[37:30] » people will find that so helpful if you

[37:30] Thanks so much, too.

[37:31] >> And our Yeah, that's

[37:33] » And our Yeah, that's

[37:33] as Lisa says, our office staff has

[37:35] developed such a good working

[37:36] relationship with the office staff here.

[37:39] So, I mean, the first thing I did when I

[37:40] found out we had a new Facebook page was

[37:42] I said, "Bob, please talk to Lisa, and

[37:44] ask Lisa to promote it with all the park

[37:46] communication channels."

[37:47] >> She did.

[37:47] » She did.

[37:47] >> And he said, "I've I've already done

[37:48] » And he said, "I've I've already done

[37:48] that, you know." So, that's that's the

[37:50] kind of thing that we're working on.

[37:51] Yeah.

[37:52] >> I absolutely agree.

[37:52] » I absolutely agree.

[37:52] >> It took a turkey hitting the chief's

[37:54] » It took a turkey hitting the chief's

[37:54] window to get you 1,000 uh views, so

[37:56] we're in good shape. We're popping up

[37:57] higher on the list.

[37:58] >> Yeah. Well, at least it popped in her

[37:59] » Yeah. Well, at least it popped in her

[38:00] car, so that's good, too.

[38:01] >> Thanks, God.

[38:02] » Thanks, God.

[38:02] >> Yeah. Bob's been a tremendous addition.

[38:04] » Yeah. Bob's been a tremendous addition.

[38:04] >> He's He's terrific. We

[38:06] » He's He's terrific. We

[38:06] We have a lot of work to do. We're

[38:07] discovering all kinds of things that we

[38:09] didn't know we needed to discover.

[38:11] Um

[38:12] but we're getting there. Getting there.

[38:14] He's only been there a few months, so

[38:17] hang hang in there with us. We're

[38:18] getting there.

[38:20] Still. Okay. Thank you, again.

[38:23] Um we had a

[38:25] brief but

[38:27] loaded uh

[38:28] fire board meeting this afternoon.

[38:31] Um I'll just hit some of the highlights,

[38:33] but if you're interested here

[38:36] if there this is my stat that I just got

[38:38] today, which I have not fully looked at,

[38:40] but if you want to know anything

[38:42] about response times, or what kind of

[38:45] response it was, or how

[38:47] uh

[38:48] what kind of a call it was compared with

[38:51] last 10 years, just month to month

[38:54] I'll leave it there close. You feel free

[38:56] to

[38:58] peruse that and ask any questions, but

[38:59] here just a couple of highlights. Um

[39:02] just in July we had 149 incidents, which

[39:06] was a record.

[39:08] Um probably most of them not probably

[39:11] most of the incidents are medical.

[39:13] Um falling remains the number one, which

[39:17] is likely to happen in a

[39:19] in a in a town that has

[39:22] a lot of old people.

[39:27] Uh

[39:28] yeah, right. Um

[39:30] and that's that was a record.

[39:33] The average emergency response time

[39:35] through July went up at 7 uh minutes and

[39:38] 20 seconds, which is slower, but

[39:42] probably the reason is because the

[39:43] traffic volume on Blue Star Highway.

[39:46] So, uh that's really been a factor.

[39:50] Um

[39:53] The the biggest problem that we have is

[39:55] over 34% of our calls

[39:58] 30% of our calls over the year are

[40:01] overlapping calls. And we had a long

[40:04] discussion one of the biggest problems

[40:05] that we're having right now are these

[40:08] iPhone crash alerts.

[40:11] We've had 15 of them this year. We all

[40:13] got our phones and we're lucky like I

[40:15] didn't know that

[40:17] I drop my phone all the time. I can't

[40:18] believe that it doesn't automatically

[40:20] call 911 or but

[40:23] So, you might want to look in the

[40:24] settings on your phone. You have the

[40:26] emergency SOS

[40:29] and you have to turn it off if you don't

[40:32] want it to be on. And then it will list

[40:34] your emergency contacts and my phone

[40:36] will call you if they determine that

[40:38] there was a severe accident. But what's

[40:40] happening is

[40:42] you know, people are putting their phone

[40:43] on the top of their car

[40:45] who would ever do that and driving off

[40:47] with it. And so

[40:50] >> [laughter]

[40:50] » [laughter]

[40:50] >> So,

[40:51] » So,

[40:51] it falls and then, you know, the fire

[40:53] department is out there looking

[40:56] It gives you like a 750-ft radius.

[40:59] They're out there looking for

[41:01] iPhones when there wasn't a crash.

[41:03] And in the meantime what

[41:05] And in the meantime, you know, there

[41:07] could be a priority one call that

[41:09] they're needed for. With a small staff

[41:12] like we have, that's that's a problem.

[41:13] So, we're looking at

[41:15] how we can address that. We're going to

[41:18] I see Wendy's on the line here. We're

[41:20] Wendy, we're we're going to commission

[41:22] you to

[41:23] write a great article in the commercial

[41:25] record and try and educate people a

[41:27] little bit better on it.

[41:29] Um

[41:31] Then we moved on and talked about 415

[41:33] Wiley.

[41:35] All good news there.

[41:38] Um

[41:40] Uh all of our bonds were successfully

[41:43] sold. They opened them up um I can't

[41:45] remember but the August 7th.

[41:47] So, they opened up bidding at 11:00 and

[41:50] by 12 minutes later they were all

[41:53] bid.

[41:54] And there were like seven bidders.

[41:57] And they got a really great um

[42:00] interest rates and good terms on on the

[42:02] loan.

[42:03] So, that was

[42:05] a real um

[42:07] We're moving in the right direction

[42:08] here.

[42:09] Um

[42:10] The the bonds will be distributed to the

[42:13] township on August 27th.

[42:17] They finally received the master deed

[42:19] and condominium documents and they're

[42:23] transferring it over to

[42:25] the fire district attorney for a legal

[42:28] review. So that'll be set to go. So we

[42:30] look to be

[42:32] pretty much on track to

[42:34] have it on the next agenda for sale.

[42:36] >> The next one or the

[42:37] » The next one or the

[42:37] >> No, it'll be on the next one. Okay.

[42:39] » No, it'll be on the next one. Okay.

[42:39] >> Yeah.

[42:40] » Yeah.

[42:40] >> We're going to move that to the next

[42:41] » We're going to move that to the next

[42:41] meeting in September.

[42:44] >> I'm ready.

[42:45] » I'm ready.

[42:45] It's been a lot of teamwork between the

[42:47] city and the

[42:47] >> Absolutely.

[42:48] » Absolutely.

[42:48] >> township and

[42:49] » township and

[42:49] >> Got great compliments and again for like

[42:52] » Got great compliments and again for like

[42:52] one of the things that we approved this

[42:53] evening was buying these storage sheds

[42:57] for two different reasons. We have to

[42:59] keep a lot of

[43:00] flammable materials

[43:03] flames and all the things. Flames um

[43:06] batteries, things that people are

[43:07] collecting because we haven't had a

[43:09] hazardous waste stay in a while.

[43:11] Um but then they're going to take all

[43:13] the furniture that we donated.

[43:15] Uh that's currently

[43:18] in the building in suite one and two and

[43:21] they'll be stored in those storage

[43:22] containers during their construction

[43:25] projects. So we did that this evening

[43:28] too. Let's see and um

[43:32] I think that's it.

[43:34] Good.

[43:35] Laura, maybe we could Would you mind

[43:37] moving up this report to the next

[43:39] meeting in each month? So

[43:41] I mean I just had it like an hour ago.

[43:43] So

[43:45] >> [laughter]

[43:45] » [laughter]

[43:45] >> I don't have time to really digest it

[43:47] » I don't have time to really digest it

[43:47] and do a

[43:48] thorough report.

[43:50] Probably same as you, right?

[43:52] Wouldn't it be better to have our

[43:54] reports

[43:56] the first meeting of the month?

[44:00] » It doesn't matter to me. We we can move

[44:02] it to the first one. Usually the

[44:04] my meeting is usually over by noon. So I

[44:06] have a little bit of time to adjust and

[44:08] think about it.

[44:08] >> Yours is over 20 minutes before you have

[44:10] » Yours is over 20 minutes before you have

[44:10] to get in the car and drive here, so I

[44:12] understand that.

[44:14] You're trying to think it through while

[44:15] you're probably about to hit people in

[44:16] the booster.

[44:18] >> Okay, that's it for um

[44:22] board reports

[44:24] and to administrative report, Lisa.

[44:26] >> Yes, thank you. I'm going to give each

[44:27] » Yes, thank you. I'm going to give each

[44:27] of you one of these. I have two things

[44:28] tonight. If you could please pass one to

[44:30] each house member.

[44:32] Um as you know, we've been talking about

[44:35] uh deer management. Uh and it's been a

[44:38] very hot topic for some time. We did

[44:40] participate I'll try to speak louder. We

[44:42] did participate in a wildlife committee

[44:45] with uh Saugatuck Township and the city

[44:47] of Saugatuck. Uh those meetings ceased

[44:50] uh in the um winter. I think we are all

[44:53] kind of at an impasse on where what we

[44:55] were going to try to do, so everybody

[44:56] kind went their separate ways and we're

[44:58] going to try to stay in touch and figure

[45:01] out some options. Um

[45:03] our neighboring community did send us um

[45:05] some information. Right now, uh Douglas,

[45:09] our management program allows bow

[45:10] hunting on and she please weigh in if I

[45:13] if I miss you got something on

[45:14] qualifying private properties through

[45:16] the city's established deer management

[45:17] program.

[45:19] Applications for the hunting season for

[45:20] 2026 and I'm going to say 27 because it

[45:22] goes into January.

[45:24] Um hunting season are already being

[45:25] picked up and the program is moving

[45:27] forward.

[45:28] Um the program relies primarily on

[45:30] private property owners voluntarily

[45:32] participating allowing hunting on

[45:33] qualifying parcels.

[45:35] We do have a uh individual that was on

[45:37] the wildlife committee, Tony Chippewa,

[45:39] assisting with identifying additional

[45:41] private properties and others who may

[45:42] and and uh those who may want to

[45:45] participate, which could expand the

[45:46] program this year.

[45:48] Douglas has limited property, um public

[45:50] property suitable for conducting a

[45:52] professional call.

[45:53] And the city currently has no funding

[45:55] budgeted for a professional deer call.

[45:57] And we can continue the existing program

[45:59] through the upcoming season and evaluate

[46:00] the results before determining whether

[46:01] additional measures are necessary.

[46:04] Um it is not an easy decision to do

[46:07] this.

[46:08] Uh there's a lot of concerns.

[46:10] Um

[46:11] even though some will say, "Well, just

[46:14] use the 720 acres or something like

[46:15] that." You do There were concerns about

[46:17] the fact that you want to draw the deer

[46:19] in for safety, but baiting is still

[46:21] illegal in Michigan down here especially

[46:24] right now. So, that's not something

[46:26] anybody can just do. Um

[46:29] So,

[46:30] >> Is it legal or illegal?

[46:31] » Is it legal or illegal?

[46:31] >> It's illegal.

[46:32] » It's illegal.

[46:32] >> Yeah, I thought so.

[46:32] » Yeah, I thought so.

[46:32] >> Yeah, it's still illegal. It's not

[46:34] » Yeah, it's still illegal. It's not

[46:34] illegal in the U.P., but it is illegal

[46:36] here.

[46:37] Um our neighboring community proposed

[46:40] some information to us which I shared

[46:42] with you. They're exploring contracting

[46:44] with a another uh contractor to conduct

[46:46] a professional deer cull.

[46:48] Uh they asked if we would be interested

[46:49] in participating.

[46:51] Uh the contractor quoted $495 per deer

[46:53] which includes permitting activities,

[46:55] the cull, field dressing, and donation

[46:57] to me.

[46:58] Uh there's also thermal imaging that

[47:00] could be done. Their experience

[47:02] conducting this municipal and

[47:03] institutional deer culls including work

[47:05] through Grand Haven, Jackson, Livonia,

[47:08] Dearborn, and others.

[47:09] Their professional shooting team

[47:11] conducts annual training and

[47:12] qualification. They carry insurance with

[47:14] them the participating municipalities

[47:16] and additional insured.

[47:18] Which I'd have to check with our

[47:19] insurance if that would be okay. The

[47:21] proposed operation would generally occur

[47:23] at night using thermal imaging, with

[47:24] sound suppression, and specialized

[47:26] ammunition.

[47:28] Um on the back, programmable feeders

[47:30] would be established. I'm not so sure

[47:32] about how that would work. We still

[47:34] would have to explore that because of

[47:35] the baiting aspect of this.

[47:37] Um they are our neighboring community is

[47:40] also investigating um the beach as an

[47:42] area possible area for a location for

[47:44] winter cull.

[47:45] And Grand Haven reported we uh we cull

[47:48] uh culled with this group 50 deer over

[47:50] two nights using this contractor. So, 50

[47:53] deer is $495. That's about $24,750.

[47:58] » Read the deer.

[47:59] >> Yeah. Um

[48:01] » Yeah. Um

[48:01] >> It's archery if you get it.

[48:01] » It's archery if you get it.

[48:02] >> So,

[48:03] » So,

[48:03] some of the issues we would need to

[48:04] resolve if we were to think about

[48:06] participating, identifying a suitable

[48:07] property where this could take place,

[48:10] determine whether Douglas' limited

[48:12] public property makes participation

[48:13] practical,

[48:15] confirm with the DNR what feeding and

[48:16] baiting activities would be legally

[48:18] permissible,

[48:19] determine the desired number of deer we

[48:21] want we would want removed and resulting

[48:23] to to the resulting total cost and of

[48:24] course approve a budget amendment. We

[48:26] would need to do that. And determine

[48:28] whether Douglas would participate

[48:29] independently or jointly with our

[48:31] neighboring community.

[48:32] So, you have the two options at the

[48:34] bottom. I don't think I can read three,

[48:35] you know, I just kind of went through

[48:36] them. So, you have options one and two.

[48:38] We don't have to solve this today, but

[48:39] we are getting into the next hunting

[48:41] season. Chief, did you want to add

[48:43] anything to this cuz I know you've been

[48:44] really We've been talking about this a

[48:45] lot.

[48:46] >> Um it's important to note that in our

[48:48] » Um it's important to note that in our

[48:48] program, it's archery only.

[48:50] >> Mhm.

[48:51] » Mhm.

[48:51] >> Um if you have callers come in, they're

[48:53] » Um if you have callers come in, they're

[48:53] going to be using fire.

[48:55] So, the community needs to be aware of

[48:57] that, of course.

[48:59] And the thing that we're focusing on

[49:01] this year with Tony Ship's assistance is

[49:05] we have some property owners that are

[49:06] interested. We need hunters.

[49:09] And if we can get a list of hunters,

[49:11] list of property owners,

[49:14] and join those two together, we can

[49:16] hopefully be a little more successful

[49:18] this year.

[49:19] >> Would it Is there potential that any of

[49:21] » Would it Is there potential that any of

[49:21] those hunters would be taking the deer

[49:24] for themselves for

[49:28] venison?

[49:29] And saving $500 a deer?

[49:32] >> Sure.

[49:33] » Sure.

[49:34] Yeah, we wouldn't be paying for the

[49:35] processing. That would all be on them.

[49:37] >> Right now, what whatever they take in

[49:39] » Right now, what whatever they take in

[49:39] our program is not the city doesn't pay

[49:41] for any of that. That's all on the

[49:43] hunter.

[49:44] >> Mhm.

[49:44] » Mhm.

[49:44] >> In this program, it would be

[49:45] » In this program, it would be

[49:45] >> Yeah, is it okay?

[49:46] » Yeah, is it okay?

[49:46] >> Yeah.

[49:47] » Yeah.

[49:47] >> Did Have Have you seen an increase in

[49:49] » Did Have Have you seen an increase in

[49:49] the number of licenses that have been

[49:51] pulled?

[49:52] >> Or applied for an application?

[49:54] » Or applied for an application?

[49:54] >> had a lot of applications picked up.

[49:57] » had a lot of applications picked up.

[49:57] And none returned to us.

[49:59] Last year, we only had four hunters.

[50:02] We had a lot of talk, but we only had

[50:04] four hunters, and out of that, only one

[50:07] hunter reported back getting two does.

[50:10] >> You get more than that without Friday

[50:12] » You get more than that without Friday

[50:12] reporting.

[50:15] >> Carson City.

[50:15] » Carson City.

[50:15] >> Absolutely.

[50:17] » Absolutely.

[50:17] And that's

[50:18] >> Well, Chief, wasn't there a concern too

[50:19] » Well, Chief, wasn't there a concern too

[50:19] by some that they could cross the

[50:20] property line?

[50:22] >> Yes.

[50:22] » Yes.

[50:22] >> And what would happen with that?

[50:24] » And what would happen with that?

[50:24] >> And what we instructed them would be to

[50:26] » And what we instructed them would be to

[50:26] call us and have us talk to the

[50:30] neighboring property and see, okay, will

[50:32] you let us go deer hunting to them?

[50:35] Those kind of things. But

[50:37] a color could have the same issue.

[50:39] >> Yes.

[50:40] » Yes.

[50:40] >> We don't have

[50:41] » We don't have

[50:41] This big of area in the city is what on

[50:44] the west side of Saugatuck to be

[50:46] available to hunt.

[50:48] >> Yeah.

[50:50] » Yeah.

[50:50] >> This So, this information's great.

[50:52] » This So, this information's great.

[50:52] I appreciate it. You know, we're going

[50:53] to have We're going to talk about it at

[50:54] some point.

[50:56] Wouldn't it be

[50:57] more beneficial for our deer committee

[51:00] to talk about this and come back with a

[51:02] recommendation to us?

[51:04] >> They're not meeting anymore.

[51:05] » They're not meeting anymore.

[51:05] >> The deer committee though is

[51:07] » The deer committee though is

[51:07] >> But they're But I mean, our job is I

[51:09] » But they're But I mean, our job is I

[51:09] guess Neil's are only going to do this

[51:10] for us, right? So.

[51:11] >> Well, right now, yeah. We had Tammy

[51:13] » Well, right now, yeah. We had Tammy

[51:13] Kinyon in and and another, but at this

[51:15] point, I think they all just were not

[51:17] sure where to go at this point. Um

[51:21] everybody had different ideas, and at

[51:23] this point, I do think it's a council

[51:24] decision.

[51:25] >> I know that Tony's on that committee,

[51:27] » I know that Tony's on that committee,

[51:27] and you've got someone from the DNR on

[51:29] that committee.

[51:29] >> He's in the council.

[51:30] » He's in the council.

[51:30] >> Yeah.

[51:31] » Yeah.

[51:31] >> Yeah.

[51:31] » Yeah.

[51:31] >> But and the township has different rules

[51:33] » But and the township has different rules

[51:33] than we do.

[51:33] >> Sure.

[51:34] » Sure.

[51:34] >> You brought up a really good point in

[51:36] » You brought up a really good point in

[51:36] that

[51:37] Douglas is a lot different than

[51:39] Saugatuck in that we don't have

[51:43] you know.

[51:44] >> The land mass.

[51:44] » The land mass.

[51:44] >> over beach area in that area to go

[51:47] » over beach area in that area to go

[51:47] hunt. We don't have that many places

[51:50] that we can use.

[51:50] >> The townships are the most, right?

[51:52] » The townships are the most, right?

[51:52] They're They're 30 miles squared or 2

[51:54] miles squared.

[51:55] >> Less than two.

[51:56] » Less than two.

[51:56] >> We're literally across from down Wiley

[51:58] » We're literally across from down Wiley

[51:58] and across from

[52:00] >> And

[52:00] » And

[52:00] >> And we

[52:01] » And we

[52:01] can actually do it down the road.

[52:03] >> On all sides of us, right?

[52:04] » On all sides of us, right?

[52:04] >> But that's in the township.

[52:05] » But that's in the township.

[52:05] >> It's in the township.

[52:06] » It's in the township.

[52:06] >> Yeah.

[52:08] » Yeah.

[52:08] >> Um

[52:09] » Um

[52:09] I have My question is, how are

[52:10] programmable feeders different than

[52:12] baiting?

[52:15] » That's a good question.

[52:16] >> to get some

[52:17] » to get some

[52:17] >> It's a very good question.

[52:18] » It's a very good question.

[52:18] >> The callers would have to get some kind

[52:19] » The callers would have to get some kind

[52:19] of special permit from the DNR without

[52:22] >> Isn't that really what baiting is?

[52:24] » Isn't that really what baiting is?

[52:24] >> Yes.

[52:25] » Yes.

[52:25] >> I see.

[52:26] » I see.

[52:26] >> Yes, it is.

[52:27] » Yes, it is.

[52:27] >> Just without the corn and the carrots?

[52:29] » Just without the corn and the carrots?

[52:29] >> Or

[52:29] » Or

[52:29] >> I'm not sure how they make their way

[52:31] » I'm not sure how they make their way

[52:31] around town.

[52:32] >> What's

[52:33] » What's

[52:33] >> There's corn, carrots, and apples in my

[52:35] » There's corn, carrots, and apples in my

[52:35] neighbor's yard.

[52:36] >> Oh.

[52:37] » Oh.

[52:37] >> You're kidding.

[52:39] » You're kidding.

[52:39] I do that.

[52:41] >> It wouldn't be possible to like do a

[52:43] » It wouldn't be possible to like do a

[52:43] hybrid of both of these options? Like

[52:46] My feeling is that we should stick with

[52:50] the program that we had last year with

[52:52] the emphasis on expanding it. Try to get

[52:54] more people

[52:56] involved, but

[52:57] you know, I think

[53:00] fall isn't that far away. We're We're

[53:02] not

[53:03] nearly ready to

[53:05] have people with guns out there. I don't

[53:07] think we can.

[53:07] But I don't think it's a bad idea to

[53:10] engage with Sagatuck in the township and

[53:16] Yeah, I don't think that will work this

[53:17] year, but I mean, it'd be interesting to

[53:20] >> I think it's wise to see how it works

[53:21] » I think it's wise to see how it works

[53:21] for them and continue to see if our

[53:23] program does better than it did because

[53:25] we've had another year to get going,

[53:27] right? And then if we find that next

[53:30] year no, that our program didn't do as

[53:32] well or whatever and they did really

[53:33] well, we can talk about it, right?

[53:35] You might You never know. We'll see.

[53:37] >> We just need the public to know that we

[53:39] » We just need the public to know that we

[53:39] have, you know, this has been top of

[53:40] mind for us as

[53:42] first

[53:43] years.

[53:45] >> You know, and

[53:47] » You know, and

[53:47] we're still working on it. It's not like

[53:49] we've

[53:51] It's a survey of the situation.

[53:52] >> It's a survey of the song.

[53:55] » It's a survey of the song.

[53:55] >> The survey, I mean, it gives you a

[53:56] » The survey, I mean, it gives you a

[53:56] little bit. No, nobody wants to to

[53:59] destroy it as we have, but the survey

[54:01] did

[54:02] have a pretty significant gap in the

[54:04] fact that people did want to see the

[54:07] elimination, and a lot of it had to do

[54:10] Yes, a lot of it had to do with plants,

[54:11] but a lot of it had to do more with

[54:12] people becoming aware of the fact of the

[54:15] disease and all the other things that

[54:18] are spreading within the deer that are

[54:20] are causing a lot of these these issues.

[54:23] Nobody wants to see them die. I mean, we

[54:24] had one that passed away don't believe.

[54:27] I mean, we don't know what it's from. We

[54:28] still don't. They happen. And so

[54:30] >> Wasn't the waste people

[54:31] » Wasn't the waste people

[54:31] >> We don't know. Yeah, we're not sure what

[54:33] » We don't know. Yeah, we're not sure what

[54:33] happened, but it it we probably Um so, I

[54:37] mean, it's just starting to happen and

[54:38] there's just too many of them, and it's

[54:41] nobody wants to see that in the yard.

[54:42] Nobody wants to see that. I mean, it's

[54:44] just

[54:44] And we don't have enough arrows.

[54:46] >> not behaving normally. They're

[54:48] » not behaving normally. They're

[54:48] >> No, they're not.

[54:50] » No, they're not.

[54:50] >> Like

[54:51] » Like

[54:51] I have a friend that has a big yard, and

[54:54] when I park my car and I go out to the

[54:57] car, there's like 15 deer I have to go

[55:00] You don't They don't I like I'm afraid

[55:02] to walk through there because they don't

[55:04] They just stand there and look at me

[55:05] like

[55:06] >> We have an entitled

[55:08] » We have an entitled

[55:08] We have an entitled deer.

[55:10] I will tell you they do anything.

[55:11] >> The time that I did in the UP, there's

[55:13] » The time that I did in the UP, there's

[55:13] nothing like that. They are terrified of

[55:15] humans.

[55:16] And they are terrified of humans,

[55:17] they're terrified of dogs. They don't

[55:19] come near you. They run. It's a very

[55:22] different mentality. I mean, they do

[55:24] have a larger wolf population, coyotes,

[55:26] and other things, but um I I they walk

[55:29] out there, they go. They're not

[55:31] domesticated at all.

[55:33] It's just bizarre. And the DNR will tell

[55:35] you. Don Popp said, "These are weird

[55:37] deer. These deer are not right." I mean,

[55:39] they're

[55:40] They are and you can see a lot of them

[55:42] aren't even growing to full size.

[55:44] They're They're very small. I mean,

[55:46] they're not growing to full size

[55:48] at all. There is There is a big problem

[55:50] here and and we just maybe have to look

[55:52] at it from two different standpoints.

[55:54] Right. So, let's look at it from the

[55:55] standpoint of the health and well-being

[55:57] of animals, too. I mean,

[55:59] you know, this is a very very caring

[56:01] community when it comes to

[56:03] the and the wildlife green I mean,

[56:05] everything, so.

[56:07] It's a hard topic. It's a hard

[56:09] conversation to have, but you're not

[56:10] trying to be bullies. You're not trying

[56:12] to hurt you You're trying to do the

[56:13] right thing.

[56:15] >> So, we're we're not This is just

[56:17] » So, we're we're not This is just

[56:17] information.

[56:18] >> This is

[56:18] » This is

[56:18] Right. Right. But, I do think if council

[56:20] wants to go in a certain direction, if

[56:22] we're going to leave it for one more

[56:24] winter and just let Chief keep working

[56:26] the way that we are, that's fine. And

[56:29] maybe, like Matt said, see how it goes

[56:30] in the other community, but just give

[56:32] Sault Tribe some feedback on Thank you.

[56:35] You let us know how it goes and keep

[56:36] moving. I don't know. But, that's up to

[56:38] the council to give direction. But, we

[56:39] do go in that direction, we'd have to

[56:40] amend the budget and and spend some

[56:42] funds and sign up to a on a contractor

[56:45] and go through insurance and things like

[56:46] that, so.

[56:47] >> So, throw corn and apples and Sonny Bono

[56:50] » So, throw corn and apples and Sonny Bono

[56:50] at your car.

[56:51] >> I said nothing like that.

[56:53] » I said nothing like that.

[56:53] I will not say that.

[56:55] Um council, one more other thing. I

[56:56] don't want to go through this at length,

[56:58] but I did send you information um about

[57:00] this proposal, the second proposal that

[57:02] came up from the KLHA that's being

[57:04] discussed tomorrow night. They are not

[57:06] making a financial decision, but just

[57:08] really quick, I just wanted to give you

[57:10] some just some footnotes. I know it's a

[57:11] little long, but it is a little bit

[57:13] cumbersome.

[57:15] Um but the question you know, give you

[57:17] some ideas, but these two cost now, they

[57:19] want to start moving into a direction at

[57:21] about 3,000 per little or 3,000 per

[57:24] community to start uh data collection

[57:26] and market assessment, economic and

[57:28] fiscal impact assessment, and a final

[57:29] report, travel data, and economic

[57:31] multipliers. So, it'd be the three

[57:33] communities putting up $10,750.

[57:36] So, what I wanted to find out from you

[57:38] is if you could read through this a

[57:41] little bit, it would be a good idea. I'm

[57:43] going to be at the meeting. I think Sue

[57:44] is, Jeff is not, but I will be there

[57:46] tomorrow night.

[57:47] >> Is it tomorrow night or tomorrow

[57:48] » Is it tomorrow night or tomorrow

[57:48] morning?

[57:49] >> It's tomorrow night at 6:00, KLAJ.

[57:51] » It's tomorrow night at 6:00, KLAJ.

[57:51] >> The Douglas Harbor's tomorrow morning,

[57:54] » The Douglas Harbor's tomorrow morning,

[57:54] KLAJ Harbor.

[57:54] >> Yeah, KLAJ is tomorrow.

[57:56] » Yeah, KLAJ is tomorrow.

[57:56] This is where they're going to discuss

[57:57] that. So, I just wanted to give you as

[57:59] much as I can to break it down. There is

[58:01] no way to break down that much

[58:02] information

[58:03] in one page, but I think it would be

[58:06] great if if everybody could just give me

[58:07] a little bit of of advisement so I can

[58:09] share with Sue and Jeff where we think

[58:11] we want to go cuz I I know that the

[58:13] group wants to start moving in another

[58:15] direction at the next meeting. Tomorrow

[58:17] night, Christian from Vetter is just

[58:19] going to talk about the findings, but

[58:21] there are some very interesting things

[58:23] in here that I want you to be very,

[58:25] very, very much aware of. That I think

[58:28] it's important, but there are some

[58:30] suggestions about an X7 at Reiman that

[58:33] would allow them to

[58:36] there will be financial obligations

[58:39] calculated from each community moving

[58:40] forward. So, that's on the back. I did

[58:43] send you everything, but I just want to

[58:45] make sure that you know that they're

[58:47] talking about TIF mechanisms, special

[58:48] assessments, and other things.

[58:50] So,

[58:52] take a close, close look at that and the

[58:54] information that I have sent to you. And

[58:56] if you could get back to me between now

[58:58] [clears throat] and maybe and maybe

[58:59] within the next couple of weeks with

[59:01] some feedback, that would be really

[59:02] helpful.

[59:03] Or I could create another little survey

[59:05] from this, too. Whatever makes it easy

[59:07] for all of you. This is not a full-time

[59:08] job, so I want to make sure that I'm

[59:10] giving you what you need to make it easy

[59:11] to go through this, digest it like they

[59:13] did the first phase to come up with what

[59:15] you feel would be the best direction.

[59:20] The last thing I wanted to propose to

[59:21] you

[59:22] is 9/11 event. We know it we've had that

[59:24] the last few years. I was wondering if

[59:27] Council would consider having the 9/11

[59:29] event at Waits Park this year.

[59:31] Having it across from the street and

[59:33] moving it down to Waits, and then having

[59:35] the fire truck down there, the flag up,

[59:37] and kind of do it where we don't have to

[59:39] block the roads.

[59:40] >> The only thing is, is there enough

[59:41] » The only thing is, is there enough

[59:41] parking?

[59:43] >> We only get like 10 or 15 people showing

[59:46] » We only get like 10 or 15 people showing

[59:46] up. Maybe people get some more, but

[59:48] would everybody be okay with that? And

[59:50] then if it grows, maybe we can move it

[59:51] again. We thought about the pavilion,

[59:53] but we're not quite there yet. We're

[59:54] still doing some tweaks down at the new

[59:55] pavilion. Um

[59:57] >> Oh, you're talking Waits now.

[59:58] » Oh, you're talking Waits now.

[59:58] >> Yeah, Waits. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[1:00:00] » Yeah, Waits. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[1:00:00] >> Sorry. There's There's plenty of parking

[1:00:02] » Sorry. There's There's plenty of parking

[1:00:02] >> Would that be okay with everyone?

[1:00:03] » Would that be okay with everyone?

[1:00:03] >> Yeah.

[1:00:04] » Yeah.

[1:00:04] >> And we move it down there?

[1:00:05] » And we move it down there?

[1:00:05] Okay. All right. So, we'll plan on that

[1:00:07] Friday morning, Friday the 11th, and

[1:00:09] it's on a Friday. So, it's going to be a

[1:00:10] busy day downtown and things like that.

[1:00:12] So, we'll start getting it out there and

[1:00:14] we'll start pushing for the 11th, uh

[1:00:16] Friday the 11th at 9:00 a.m.

[1:00:18] >> 25 years.

[1:00:19] » 25 years.

[1:00:19] >> Yeah.

[1:00:20] » Yeah.

[1:00:20] >> Do you need a speaker?

[1:00:22] » Do you need a speaker?

[1:00:22] >> Probably. Could you help us with that?

[1:00:24] » Probably. Could you help us with that?

[1:00:24] >> one. We have been using this speaker, so

[1:00:26] » one. We have been using this speaker, so

[1:00:26] that would be one of

[1:00:28] >> Okay. Thank you. That'll Is anybody else

[1:00:31] » Okay. Thank you. That'll Is anybody else

[1:00:31] have anything to add on this side?

[1:00:33] Okay. Thank you, everybody. I appreciate

[1:00:35] all the the help and guidance.

[1:00:40] » I'm sorry.

[1:00:42] Okay. Um

[1:00:45] Uh this is the second opportunity now

[1:00:47] for public communication.

[1:00:49] See Mr. Janetski jumping up here. This

[1:00:51] can be on

[1:00:52] items that were not on the prior agenda.

[1:00:55] >> Excuse me.

[1:00:56] » Excuse me.

[1:00:56] Thank you very much, Mayor Norris,

[1:00:58] members of Council. Bob Janetski with a

[1:01:00] brief update from the County Clerk and

[1:01:02] Register of Deeds offices. I appreciate

[1:01:04] the opportunity. Uh no doubt you're

[1:01:06] aware the primary election came and

[1:01:08] went. Uh Clerk Casper and her team did

[1:01:10] an amazing job. Uh

[1:01:12] Douglas had 47.57%

[1:01:15] turnout, uh compared with the rest of

[1:01:18] the county, which was an average of

[1:01:19] 31.59. So, very high turnout. A lot of

[1:01:22] work for her and her team to to manage,

[1:01:24] but they did a great job. We are now

[1:01:26] gearing up for November and we'll be

[1:01:28] conducting more trainings for election

[1:01:31] inspectors and more recruiting.

[1:01:33] Uh I want to make sure that you're aware

[1:01:35] that that you know, it used to be that

[1:01:37] Commissioner Lovers was up late

[1:01:38] stressing and and fretting about uh

[1:01:41] somebody stealing his property through

[1:01:42] property fraud and title theft. But then

[1:01:44] he signed up for property fraud alert

[1:01:46] and now he knows that if someone should

[1:01:48] report a fake deed in his name, he'll

[1:01:51] get a text message, an email, or a phone

[1:01:53] call. And and I want to encourage you

[1:01:55] and all of your constituents to do the

[1:01:57] same and and sleep well like Mr. Lovers.

[1:02:00] Uh

[1:02:01] little update from the state. We are

[1:02:03] told that the Secretary of State does in

[1:02:06] fact want to push forward with uh new

[1:02:08] voting machines for every jurisdictions.

[1:02:11] Uh what would happen there would be

[1:02:12] about a $15,000 hit per jurisdiction,

[1:02:15] per precinct. Um and

[1:02:18] I personally don't see the need for it.

[1:02:20] I think our machines work really well

[1:02:22] right now, but if the state mandates it,

[1:02:23] we will have to move in that direction

[1:02:25] with uh no guarantee of funding from the

[1:02:27] state at this point. I want to draw your

[1:02:29] attention to the most recent annual

[1:02:32] report from my office. Uh you all have a

[1:02:34] copy of that. Uh

[1:02:36] It's some interesting stats from 2025.

[1:02:38] I'm not going to read the entire thing

[1:02:40] to you cuz I know that Chief Gatz likes

[1:02:42] to make sure he goes through and

[1:02:43] highlight every aspect for you that

[1:02:45] pertains to the city's village dollars.

[1:02:48] Um finally, I want to make sure that uh

[1:02:51] that you know, I really appreciate the

[1:02:53] opportunity to come and present here

[1:02:55] because

[1:02:56] up until the election inspector

[1:02:58] trainings this spring, I had not been to

[1:03:01] this building for 40 years when I came

[1:03:03] to visit my cousin Patrick when he broke

[1:03:05] his ribs swinging on the rope swing over

[1:03:07] at the

[1:03:07] Mount Baldhead. So, what I guess I'm

[1:03:09] trying to say what a nice job you've

[1:03:10] done to the place. Good to see

[1:03:12] everybody. Thanks very much.

[1:03:14] >> Thank you, Bob.

[1:03:14] » Thank you, Bob.

[1:03:14] >> Thanks, Bob.

[1:03:17] Anyone else?

[1:03:27] » I thought it was going to be Jonathan

[1:03:28] Scott.

[1:03:29] >> I did, too.

[1:03:31] » Everybody.

[1:03:33] >> I meant to ask for my phone number.

[1:03:34] » I meant to ask for my phone number.

[1:03:34] >> Good evening. My name is Heidi Wolff.

[1:03:36] » Good evening. My name is Heidi Wolff.

[1:03:36] I'm an attorney in Allegan, and I am

[1:03:37] running for the 57th District Court, and

[1:03:40] I will be on the ballot this fall. I

[1:03:42] wanted to come out and introduce myself,

[1:03:44] say hello, this is what I look like. I

[1:03:46] have grown up in Allegan. I grew up in

[1:03:48] Wayland, actually, moved to Allegan with

[1:03:50] my husband, Tom.

[1:03:52] We've been together for 32 years. He's

[1:03:54] so excited to be here. He can't be

[1:03:55] standing.

[1:03:56] And we raised our kids in Allegan

[1:03:58] County. I've been here my obviously,

[1:04:01] like I said, my whole life. We have two

[1:04:03] children. One daughter that's grown, and

[1:04:05] now we're grandparents, best thing I've

[1:04:06] ever done.

[1:04:08] And our son still lives with us. I

[1:04:10] started my practice in my parents'

[1:04:12] dining room, worked very hard, been very

[1:04:14] successful at that, and I continue to I

[1:04:17] don't work in in our dining room

[1:04:18] anymore. I have an office now in

[1:04:19] Allegan, but I've been doing that, and

[1:04:22] I've just decided that it's time to take

[1:04:24] the skills that I've learned in my years

[1:04:26] of practice and apply it to something

[1:04:27] else. So, during this my tenure, just a

[1:04:30] couple of highlights, I did help Judge

[1:04:32] Scott set up the Mental Health Treatment

[1:04:33] Court that's currently running in

[1:04:35] District Court A. I am running for his

[1:04:38] position. A lot of people are very

[1:04:39] confused. There are two positions up for

[1:04:42] election.

[1:04:43] So, Judge Brunett is up for election,

[1:04:45] and then Judge Scott is retiring, and

[1:04:47] I'm running for that position. So, I

[1:04:50] would like to see that court continue to

[1:04:52] be as successful as it has been in

[1:04:54] helping people with

[1:04:56] mental health issues get redirected and

[1:05:00] get the services that they need instead

[1:05:01] of convicted of crimes.

[1:05:04] I also just recently served in an

[1:05:06] expungement clinic this past Friday. I'm

[1:05:08] sure you've probably been hearing about

[1:05:09] those. Those are where people who have

[1:05:12] had long-standing older convictions,

[1:05:14] maybe 20 years or so, or maybe more

[1:05:16] recent within the past 10 10 years or

[1:05:19] more. Um they can have some certain

[1:05:21] convictions that are set aside, and they

[1:05:23] do these clinics where the state police

[1:05:25] have run their fingerprints, their uh

[1:05:27] convictions have been approved, and then

[1:05:28] attorneys volunteer their time to help

[1:05:30] them get the paperwork done so that they

[1:05:31] can get back into the workforce and

[1:05:33] start hopefully being more productive

[1:05:35] members.

[1:05:36] Not to assume that they aren't

[1:05:37] productive, but you know what I mean.

[1:05:40] Uh and then I myself also helped set up

[1:05:43] the court-appointed special advocate

[1:05:44] program here in Allegan, if any of you

[1:05:46] know what that is. It helps uh children

[1:05:48] who are impaired with adult mental

[1:05:49] illnesses and public offenses. So, those

[1:05:51] are some things that I've already done.

[1:05:52] Um and just a little bit about who I am

[1:05:55] and what I think is important in um

[1:05:59] outside of just advocating for people as

[1:06:01] an attorney. As a judge, I don't think

[1:06:03] that I should uh legislate from the

[1:06:04] bench. I know everybody says that. I

[1:06:06] think compassion is important, but

[1:06:08] knowing the rules and the law are also

[1:06:10] important. And that's really the only

[1:06:12] job that a judge has is to know the

[1:06:14] rules and the law and make sure it's

[1:06:15] applied fairly.

[1:06:16] So, that's a little bit about me. If you

[1:06:17] want to know more, you can look me up on

[1:06:19] Facebook, or I have a webpage. Thank

[1:06:20] you.

[1:06:21] >> Thank you very much.

[1:06:27] Anyone else?

[1:06:32] Last call, Randy's phone.

[1:06:36] » In the flesh.

[1:06:38] >> [laughter]

[1:06:38] » [laughter]

[1:06:38] >> Neil's not here.

[1:06:40] » Neil's not here.

[1:06:40] >> Hi, Kyle.

[1:06:42] » Hi, Kyle.

[1:06:42] >> That's me.

[1:06:43] » That's me.

[1:06:43] >> Who's next in line?

[1:06:44] » Who's next in line?

[1:06:44] >> Randy's grandma turned more minutes than

[1:06:46] » Randy's grandma turned more minutes than

[1:06:46] some of them.

[1:06:51] » Okay. Um

[1:06:53] and we are now on to council comments.

[1:06:57] Mr. Balmer, let's start with you.

[1:06:59] >> Um

[1:07:00] » Um

[1:07:00] you know, I have none. Thank you.

[1:07:02] >> Okay.

[1:07:02] » Okay.

[1:07:02] >> Oh, got you.

[1:07:04] » Oh, got you.

[1:07:04] >> Also good.

[1:07:06] » Also good.

[1:07:06] >> I'll make up for the rest of you.

[1:07:08] » I'll make up for the rest of you.

[1:07:08] Uh

[1:07:09] >> I have none.

[1:07:10] » I have none.

[1:07:10] >> [laughter]

[1:07:11] » [laughter]

[1:07:11] >> And that whole fraud alert thing is very

[1:07:13] » And that whole fraud alert thing is very

[1:07:13] interesting. I saw in the chief's report

[1:07:15] that we've had some like we had a house,

[1:07:17] I think over by the lake shore that had

[1:07:18] a for sale sign on it that was not

[1:07:22] actually for sale. And then my best

[1:07:24] friend who bought property here during

[1:07:27] COVID

[1:07:28] got a call from

[1:07:30] David from uh

[1:07:32] Des Lomansky.

[1:07:34] David Somebody was calling him and

[1:07:37] wanting to sell the property that my

[1:07:39] best friend owns and he something just

[1:07:41] told David that the numbers didn't match

[1:07:43] and it was weird. And

[1:07:46] he called Brian and and turns out yes,

[1:07:49] somebody was trying to sell his property

[1:07:51] from underneath him and there's really

[1:07:53] nothing you can do about it cuz they

[1:07:54] don't know who the other person is. So,

[1:07:56] if I signed up for this one um

[1:07:59] Bob came last year.

[1:08:01] So, I highly recommend it.

[1:08:04] As a

[1:08:05] additional safety measure.

[1:08:07] Uh second, the Thin Blue Line ride was

[1:08:10] last Monday.

[1:08:13] Thank you to Matt and EPC for a

[1:08:16] wonderful

[1:08:18] lunch for everybody. I want to find a

[1:08:21] way to get more I know it's the middle

[1:08:23] it's morning of of a Monday. So,

[1:08:26] um in this 55 and older community we can

[1:08:28] have more presence out there, I think,

[1:08:31] but thanks to

[1:08:32] uh Mayor North coming and it was

[1:08:35] wonderful and Wendy did a wonderful

[1:08:38] write up in the Commercial Record for it

[1:08:40] the event. So, thank you and um

[1:08:44] the chief uh

[1:08:46] gave a very moving tribute to Ashley

[1:08:52] Janek and it was um I think it really

[1:08:55] resonated with many of the riders who

[1:08:58] recalled Ashley being at the event the

[1:09:00] previous year and and years before.

[1:09:03] Uh so uh

[1:09:05] it was just a it was a very very

[1:09:08] uh moving it always is but a very moving

[1:09:10] event. So, thanks

[1:09:13] for

[1:09:14] uh

[1:09:15] cheap and

[1:09:16] Matt and everybody that did come down

[1:09:18] for it.

[1:09:20] Um and then and a

[1:09:22] completely separate note and then I'm

[1:09:23] finished.

[1:09:25] Um

[1:09:26] >> I think

[1:09:27] » I think

[1:09:27] we're supposed to have flat cameras on

[1:09:29] the agenda for tonight.

[1:09:30] >> No, we delayed I in the re-parting we

[1:09:32] » No, we delayed I in the re-parting we

[1:09:32] delayed it until December.

[1:09:33] >> Oh. Okay, December.

[1:09:35] » Oh. Okay, December.

[1:09:35] Okay.

[1:09:36] >> Why so late?

[1:09:39] » Just think it's probably best with

[1:09:41] everything going on that we

[1:09:43] take a look at everything going on and

[1:09:45] then maybe we consider it in the winter.

[1:09:48] >> Okay. So, they have we have Have we

[1:09:49] » Okay. So, they have we have Have we

[1:09:49] purchased them yet? Okay. Just given all

[1:09:52] of the

[1:09:54] um

[1:09:54] that like you said, I just was hoping

[1:09:56] there would be a conversation. I'll come

[1:09:58] back and visit the meeting when we

[1:10:00] discuss

[1:10:00] >> I put it in the last one too that we're

[1:10:01] » I put it in the last one too that we're

[1:10:01] switching to later on.

[1:10:03] >> Did you say we have not purchased them

[1:10:05] » Did you say we have not purchased them

[1:10:05] yet? No.

[1:10:05] >> We have not. I've written a policy.

[1:10:08] » We have not. I've written a policy.

[1:10:08] >> We're still working on

[1:10:09] » We're still working on

[1:10:09] >> Still not plagiarizing policy and

[1:10:11] » Still not plagiarizing policy and

[1:10:12] and it

[1:10:12] fit for our department.

[1:10:14] But I'll I'll get that out to you at

[1:10:16] some point but

[1:10:17] >> So, we'll be able to see that before we

[1:10:18] » So, we'll be able to see that before we

[1:10:18] actually

[1:10:19] >> Oh, absolutely.

[1:10:20] » Oh, absolutely.

[1:10:20] >> Well ahead of

[1:10:20] » Well ahead of

[1:10:21] >> Absolutely.

[1:10:22] » Absolutely.

[1:10:22] >> Well ahead of time.

[1:10:22] » Well ahead of time.

[1:10:22] >> Yeah, I

[1:10:27] » And that was it. Thank you.

[1:10:28] >> That was it.

[1:10:30] » That was it.

[1:10:30] >> Um well, I'll just echo some of Randy's

[1:10:32] » Um well, I'll just echo some of Randy's

[1:10:32] comments about the thin blue ride. I

[1:10:34] mean,

[1:10:35] every rider was so appreciative to Matt

[1:10:38] and and CPC and Lexipol Petaluma team

[1:10:40] for the beautiful lunch that they put

[1:10:43] together and

[1:10:45] it was really a nice showcase for

[1:10:48] Douglas. Um

[1:10:50] So, thank you very much for doing that.

[1:10:52] >> I'd like to see it bigger, too.

[1:10:54] » I'd like to see it bigger, too.

[1:10:54] Find a way to do something in the park

[1:10:56] but

[1:10:56] to make an event.

[1:10:58] >> Next year's our five year five years of

[1:11:00] » Next year's our five year five years of

[1:11:00] us doing it, so

[1:11:01] >> Maybe we make it an event for this fifth

[1:11:02] » Maybe we make it an event for this fifth

[1:11:02] year.

[1:11:04] I don't know.

[1:11:04] >> What's their time line?

[1:11:05] » What's their time line?

[1:11:05] >> Yeah, we have to do it quickly. Keep

[1:11:07] » Yeah, we have to do it quickly. Keep

[1:11:07] moving.

[1:11:07] >> They do it is a quickly moving thing,

[1:11:09] » They do it is a quickly moving thing,

[1:11:09] but it doesn't have to be for the

[1:11:10] community, you know.

[1:11:12] >> That's right.

[1:11:13] » That's right.

[1:11:13] >> I think we if we try and I know that you

[1:11:15] » I think we if we try and I know that you

[1:11:16] advertise a little bit, but

[1:11:18] maybe

[1:11:19] >> something for them to do all of it like

[1:11:22] » something for them to do all of it like

[1:11:22] cheer, but also I don't know.

[1:11:24] We can talk about things, but be nice to

[1:11:25] see more people.

[1:11:26] >> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

[1:11:29] » Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

[1:11:29] Um

[1:11:30] and then Greg, I want to commend you. I

[1:11:32] know the work that you've done with the

[1:11:33] Cal Lake, you know, that huge

[1:11:36] improvement. Very much more professional

[1:11:38] and

[1:11:40] um

[1:11:41] you know, I think it's what our

[1:11:42] community deserves is that's upgrade to

[1:11:46] transparency and

[1:11:48] >> Thank you.

[1:11:49] » Thank you.

[1:11:49] >> billing and everything else. And I know

[1:11:51] » billing and everything else. And I know

[1:11:51] it's been a pretty long road, so

[1:11:53] >> Thank you. I appreciate that. There's We

[1:11:55] » Thank you. I appreciate that. There's We

[1:11:55] have a lot more to do, but we're

[1:11:56] certainly moving in the right direction.

[1:11:58] So, thank you. I appreciate that very

[1:11:59] much.

[1:12:00] >> And then my last comment, um

[1:12:02] » And then my last comment, um

[1:12:03] Commissioner or

[1:12:04] Councilman

[1:12:06] Seeber isn't here tonight because he's

[1:12:07] back in the ER.

[1:12:09] >> Oh.

[1:12:09] » Oh.

[1:12:09] >> And so, if everybody could, you know,

[1:12:11] » And so, if everybody could, you know,

[1:12:11] hold him in your hearts a little bit

[1:12:12] tonight.

[1:12:16] » Yeah.

[1:12:17] >> So, with that note, I'll take them

[1:12:19] » So, with that note, I'll take them

[1:12:19] motion to adjourn.

[1:12:21] >> Move to adjourn.

[1:12:22] » Move to adjourn.

[1:12:22] >> Second.

[1:12:24] » Second.

[1:12:24] >> We have a quorum.

[1:12:25] » We have a quorum.

[1:12:25] >> Good job.

[1:12:26] » Good job.

[1:12:26] >> You can bring your chair in.

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