[0:01] August 25th, 2026.

[0:03] We're going to start tonight with the Pledge of Allegiance.

[0:06] From Commissioner Gallo.

[0:08] Oh no.

[0:10] You planted the seed.

[0:14] >> Ready to begin.

[0:17] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

[0:20] and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God,

[0:22] indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[0:35] >> Okay.

[0:35] Vera.

[0:36] Roll call.

[0:37] >> Let the record reflect, all commissioners are present.

[0:40] Except chair Pro tem Kozak, who is absent due to illness.

[0:45] >> Thank you.

[0:47] All right.

[0:48] For public input.

[0:49] If you're here in person come up please fill out

[0:51] a request to speak form.

[0:53] Hand it to Vera.

[0:55] We'll invite you up to the podium at the right time.

[0:58] If you are watching via Zoom please raise your hand.

[1:01] You will be called to speak.

[1:04] Vera.

[1:04] Do you have any public comments for items not listed

[1:08] on tonight's agenda?

[1:09] Madam chair, there are none.

[1:11] Thank you.

[1:12] >> Thank you.

[1:13] All right next item is on the consent calendar.

[1:20] At this time come any member of the public

[1:22] may address the Planning Commission

[1:24] on matters which are not listed on tonight's agenda.

[1:28] Provided the matter is within the subject matter jurisdiction

[1:32] of the Planning Commission.

[1:33] I should have said that earlier.

[1:36] The first one for the consent calendar

[1:37] is approval of meeting minutes.

[1:39] Are there any comments for the consent calendar Vera?

[1:47] >> Chair, there are nine.

[1:48] Thank you.

[1:48] >> Do we have a motion and a second?

[1:50] Sorry.

[1:50] This is approval for a meeting minutes.

[1:54] August 11th, 2026.

[1:58] >> Motion to approve the meeting minutes I will >> Vera can you

[2:06] do a roll call vote please?

[2:10] [Members voting]

[2:17] >> Motion passes 401.

[2:18] Thank you.

[2:19] >> The next two items on the agenda are public hearing items.

[2:23] Let's start with design review.

[2:27] 2025-0009, subdivision 2025-00 ten.

[2:35] Tentative parcel Map 2026-108.

[2:40] Recommendation from staff this evening

[2:45] is that we one, adopt resolution number 4555.

[2:49] Approving the following -- sign review 2025-0009.

[2:57] For site layout.

[2:58] And building design of two new industrial warehouse buildings,

[3:02] consisting of approximately 177,696ft², on an 8.3 acre site.

[3:11] And sub 2025-0010.

[3:17] Partial 2026-108 to subdivide the site into two numbered

[3:26] parcels and one lettered lot.

[3:29] So tonight, we have a presentation

[3:32] from Erica Demkowicz, our senior planner.

[3:36] Good evening chairperson Mason.

[3:38] Members of the Commission.

[3:39] Good evening.

[3:41] The project before you this evening --

[3:44] is an industrial redevelopment project located in the planned

[3:49] community industrial zone within the city.

[3:51] It's addressed to 2441 Rochelle Drive.

[3:54] Shown on this slide are the surrounding land uses

[3:59] and zoning designation.

[4:00] As you can see, it's surrounded to the west and the south

[4:04] by planned community industrial, as well as office and industrial

[4:08] similar zones.

[4:10] And the one difference is across from Tustin Ranch Road --

[4:14] it is zoned residential.

[4:19] The request includes two applications

[4:23] for design review for site layout and building design.

[4:26] And a subdivision request to subdivide the 8.3 acre site

[4:30] into two numbered parcels, and one letter lot,

[4:36] for right of way purposes.

[4:37] There are two industrial buildings

[4:41] proposed with this project?

[4:42] They are essentially mirror images of each other.

[4:46] Building one is slightly larger than building two.

[4:49] Each building will have 11 loading docks,

[4:51] on one side of the building.

[4:53] Each building will also have ground floor office and as

[4:57] a main space.

[4:58] Each building will share a central truck court for loading.

[5:04] Totals for the warehouse is approximately 158,600ft².

[5:11] 19,000ft² of office.

[5:15] In conjunction with the two buildings,

[5:19] the applicant is also requesting a tentative parcel map

[5:22] to subdivide the site.

[5:23] As shown here on this slide.

[5:26] There are two in purple.

[5:29] The letter lot is approximately 0.39 acres in size.

[5:33] And will be dedicated to the city as right of way.

[5:39] The project provides two access points off

[5:44] of Michelle Drive there's one central access

[5:47] point down the middle between the two buildings.

[5:50] Which is approximately 40ft in width.

[5:53] There's a secondary access that's

[5:54] located just to the southeast of the main driveway

[5:58] back there fire lanes throughout in front

[6:01] of and in between the buildings.

[6:03] As I mentioned there's 11 loading docks for each building.

[6:08] Which is highlighted in green on this slide.

[6:10] And 158 onsite parking spaces.

[6:13] Which exceeds The requirement of 157.

[6:22] The building heights for both buildings will be approximately

[6:28] 47ft.

[6:29] Building one will be slightly taller at 47ft ten inches.

[6:33] Building two at 47ft six inches.

[6:36] As you can see on the slide, it will

[6:39] illustrate a contemporary architectural feel correct

[6:44] will have concrete tilt up panels with articulation that's

[6:47] visible along Michelle Drive.

[6:50] In addition, there will be insulated glass entries.

[6:55] Metal canopies and exterior tile accents.

[6:58] As you can see on these elevations.

[7:04] The same materials and features carry over

[7:09] to the east and west elevations of buildings one and two.

[7:13] These slide highlights the loading zone.

[7:16] More specifically, this is the entrance

[7:18] to each of the buildings.

[7:19] Which will be on the interior.

[7:21] The doors and loading areas fully

[7:24] screened from Michelle Drive.

[7:26] In compliance with the planned Community Industrial

[7:29] Regulations.

[7:33] When a project fits within environmental study

[7:37] with the city has already certified, SQL the city

[7:41] rely on that study.

[7:43] That is the case here.

[7:44] For this project -- the staff prepared a streamlined

[7:47] exemption.

[7:48] In accordance with section 15183.

[7:51] Which analyzed the project, and evaluated against the City

[7:56] Certified General Plan EIR?

[7:58] That analysis concluded that there

[8:00] was no further review required.

[8:02] And a mitigation measures are included

[8:07] in the conditions of approval.

[8:11] At this time from a staff recommends

[8:15] adoption of resolution number 4555.

[8:19] Approving the design review for site layout and building design.

[8:22] And subdivision action to approve

[8:24] the subdivision of the site into two

[8:26] numbered lots, and one letter lot.

[8:29] Subject to the findings contained therein.

[8:33] This concludes the staff's presentation

[8:36] I'm available for any questions comment if you have them.

[8:40] >> Thank you for that.

[8:42] Erika.

[8:50] So does the Planning Commission have any questions for staff?

[8:56] >> Chair.

[8:57] What is the offense type along Interstate five?

[9:09] >> I believe it's a chain link fence.

[9:10] >> There's a chain link fence already it looks like

[9:12] it's in octa easement, or property.

[9:16] That is proposed fence type along the property.

[9:20] Chain link?

[9:22] >>.

[9:22] Through the chair, the applicant was actually

[9:24] proposing an eight foot high wrought iron

[9:26] fence that will surround the perimeter of the site.

[9:29] >> Okay.

[9:30] Just wondering. >> I have a question for staff.

[9:37] Last church that came through that's going to be in the person

[9:39] next to them -- part of their agreement with Kaiser was --

[9:42] they had to build they said well connecting the two.

[9:44] In their renderings -- on the blueprints come it looks like

[9:49] there was a sidewalk in the plans.

[9:52] Is that in cooperation with the church?

[9:57] Does that satisfy the requirement

[9:59] to build the sidewalk?

[10:09] >> Through the chair -- the previous approval for the spirit

[10:12] and Truth church (Indistinct) before the last meeting.

[10:16] They have a condition of approval --

[10:18] in order for them to use the Kaiser building --

[10:20] the applicant before you tonight for this project --

[10:22] would need to complete their sidewalk in front

[10:25] of the building.

[10:25] In front of the project site.

[10:27] So until this project completes their street improvements

[10:31] and sidewalk improvements -- at that point,

[10:35] church and utilize their joint use parking agreement with

[10:41] Kaiser.

[10:43] >> Thank you.

[10:44] >> I have a question.

[10:45] I emailed staff I will summarize the response.

[10:47] I think my concern is -- not concerned per se about this

[10:50] project -- in that area -- it empties out a lot of the traffic

[10:57] on walnut, that street would empty out either go to Jamboree

[11:00] on walnut McClelland is already packed up past Franklin where

[11:03] the nearest signal is between 2 and 7 for cars queued up trying

[11:07] to turn right to get on the five freeway.

[11:09] I think this is not cute to be like a last mile warehouse.

[11:12] It's got only 11 loading docks.

[11:14] It's not going to be big Briggs all day.

[11:16] I do believe they would have a problem at any time come

[11:18] turning out into intersection.

[11:20] Cars are backed up past street already.

[11:23] Reached out to the traffic engineer

[11:26] there's no complaints I would say have problems.

[11:28] We noted complaints from staff it's

[11:30] important to do that I think that could

[11:32] be an issue that needs to be watched comment perhaps

[11:34] addressed.

[11:34] If you want to comment?

[11:45] >> Thank you.

[11:46] We did speak with the traffic engineer

[11:46] about this at the intersection at Walnut and Tustin Ranch Road.

[11:47] We don't currently have any knowledge of any specific issues

[11:51] that are occurring.

[11:52] We do recognize that during peak hour traffic --

[11:54] a lot of intersections in the city do backup.

[11:57] This has been brought to our attention.

[12:00] We'll take a look at that intersection.

[12:02] To see if it's a reoccurring issue in the peak hours

[12:07] that does occur.

[12:08] That being said -- this project is being built on a site that

[12:12] does currently include an industrial building.

[12:15] The net increase of square footage

[12:18] for an industrial building is relatively small.

[12:20] About 50,000ft².

[12:21] This area is zoned for industrial market

[12:25] is intended to accommodate this type of use.

[12:27] We don't anticipate that there will be any traffic impacts

[12:30] generated by this project.

[12:31] >> Thank you.

[12:40] >> I want to know if the applicant is here,

[12:42] and wanted to make any comments?

[12:42] We invite you up.

[12:43] >> Good evening, commissioners and staff I'm here and available

[12:51] for any questions -- if you do have them.

[12:52] We just want to express our gratitude for staff leading us

[12:55] through this process.

[12:56] This is a wonderful city in Southern California

[12:58] to process these projects through?

[13:01] A special thanks to Erica for that.

[13:04] If you have any questions I'm available,

[13:08] as is some of our team.

[13:18] >> Should this go through --

[13:20] I welcome you to the community.

[13:20] I'm curious.

[13:20] Did you reach out to the residential neighborhood?

[13:22] Have you let folks know -- again,

[13:24] to Commissioner caller's question I think --

[13:30] is the traffic flow is going to be an issue.

[13:33] It sounds like it was vetted.

[13:35] I'm curious if there was ever an engagement with local community?

[13:39] >> We sent out the mailers of the notice that this was going

[13:43] to be planning Commission come as was required by the process.

[13:46] I've not spoken to anyone across Tustin Ranch Road.

[13:50] You may know that overpass there's

[13:51] a pretty significant grade for where this site is, relative

[13:57] to that residential.

[13:58] So while on the image that you see it does look quite close --

[14:03] there's a pretty significant grade drop that this pocket is

[14:07] located in.

[14:08] The development could change the view from Tustin Ranch Road.

[14:14] It's not something that I'd see as a significant impact

[14:19] to that community at all.

[14:20] We are happy to do anything that Planning Commission staff would

[14:24] recommend, to be good neighbors.

[14:29] >> Any questions or comments?

[14:30] Thank you.

[14:31] >> Thank you so much.

[14:34] >> Should these get approved and build --

[14:37] how fast do you think you can get a tenant in these two new

[14:41] buildings?

[14:42] >> I would love to ask the same question to our brokers,

[14:46] and to get us some more answers from what I can share with you

[14:50] -- market sentiment has changed dramatically over the last month

[14:55] with COVID.

[14:56] And what that did all over the country and with inflation.

[15:00] There's been significant impact of business communities

[15:03] in Southern California.

[15:04] Over the last month, there has been quite a dramatic change .

[15:10] Our marketing process started about a month and a half ago.

[15:12] We've seen some pretty significant and interesting

[15:16] businesses come in uses that are inquiring about the property.

[15:22] It's about a 12 year old.

[15:24] We don't have to kick off construction documents.

[15:27] That process of preparation and planning check

[15:30] is about six months.

[15:31] Marketing is already underway.

[15:35] >> Excellent.

[15:35] >> Some exciting inquiries we've had over the last few weeks.

[15:39] >> Very cool.

[15:43] >> I will bring it back to the commission for any final

[15:45] comments.

[15:46] I will also entertain a motion.

[15:49] >> Final comments.

[15:50] I commend staff for the 15183 92261.

[15:55] That's great.

[15:58] It will help speed up projects like this (Indistinct)

[16:08] environmental scrutiny.

[16:09] Elevations along the five freeway look pretty good.

[16:09] Thanks for looking out for our city.

[16:12] >> Sorry.

[16:13] Thank you.

[16:14] Chair if I may -- would you mind asking if there's any other >>

[16:25] My colleague just reminded me.

[16:27] Before we bring it back and take a motion --

[16:27] are there any public comments Vera?

[16:28] >> Chair, zero nine.

[16:29] Thank you.

[16:41] >> I have a comment.

[16:42] It seems like a great project.

[16:42] I think this is a really good spot for it as well.

[16:42] My comment on the traffic is not necessarily the applicant.

[16:42] We're developing in an area.

[16:44] I think we need to pay a to the traffic

[16:46] patterns therapy I personally used to go this route every day,

[16:49] for years.

[16:49] I went by there yesterday.

[16:51] The backup was nothing new.

[16:54] It's there also want to note -- is adjacent to an Irvine bicycle

[16:59] trail and Greenland that just kind of stops the test

[17:01] and border at MyFord.

[17:02] That is to be a bike trail.

[17:03] I think some improvements there if you can't that backup is

[17:06] pretty much exclusively in the bicycle lane --

[17:09] advocating for some attention paid to that.

[17:11] This project seems well thought out.

[17:13] I think it brings building an industrial type

[17:15] to this city, which we need.

[17:17] Is a great spot for it.

[17:19] It's perfect I think.

[17:20] A good addition to our city.

[17:24] >> All right.

[17:25] >> I will make a motion to approve.

[17:27] The recognition as drafted.

[17:30] >> Second.

[17:32] >> We have a motion and a second.

[17:33] Do you want to take a roll call vote?

[17:46] [Members voting]

[17:50] >> Motion passes 401.

[17:51] Thank you.

[17:51] >>.

[17:51] Congratulations.

[17:52] Thank you for coming in.

[17:53] All right.

[17:55] We are going to move on to the next item,

[17:58] which is developments agreement 2026-0002 permit conditional use

[18:10] permit 2025-0022.

[18:11] Design Review 2025-0020.

[18:12] For the development and operation of a 33,422 square

[18:18] foot religious assembly use within neighborhood D

[18:23] of the Tustin Legacy Specific Plan.

[18:26] It will be referred to as the TLSP.

[18:32] Tonight's recommendation from staff

[18:34] is that the Planning Commission adopt resolution number 4556.

[18:40] Determining that the location purpose and extent

[18:43] of the proposed disposition of the 3.32 acre

[18:47] site within neighborhood D of the t l

[18:50] SP for the development of the proposed project,

[18:54] is in conformance with the city's adopted General Plan.

[19:00] Recommend the Planning Commission adopt resolution

[19:03] number 4457 for the following -- approved design review

[19:07] 2025-0020, for the design and site layout for the proposed

[19:12] project.

[19:13] Next is approved the Cup 2025-0022,

[19:18] to establish and operate a religious assembly use within

[19:24] a 33,422 square foot building.

[19:29] Next -- recommend that the City Council adopt ordinance number

[19:34] 1581, approving DA2026-0002 to facilitate the development

[19:42] and conveyance of the 3.32 acre city owned site.

[19:48] And finally -- to adopt to the t l SP 2025SEIR.

[19:54] Finding that pursuant to sequel guidelines

[19:57] sections 15164, 15162, and 15168,

[20:03] the proposed project is within the scope of the TLSP2025SEIR

[20:08] and that no subsequent or SEIR is required.

[20:14] So tonight, we have another presentation from Erica Demco.

[20:18] Erica.

[20:21] >> Good evening again chairperson Mason

[20:23] and commissioners.

[20:24] As was just described, this is a 3.32 acre property

[20:29] within the Tustin Legacy specific plan area.

[20:33] Is currently vacant.

[20:34] It's located within planning Area 813 and 14.

[20:39] Which is categorized as mixed use urban --

[20:42] which allows for a variety of uses the namely,

[20:46] churches and religious institutions require

[20:49] a conditional use permit.

[20:52] It's located just south of Warner Avenue.

[20:55] Just to the west of Veterans Way.

[20:59] East of John Johnson Way.

[21:02] Surrounding area includes both existing and future residential

[21:06] uses, future Public Park, senior living facility,

[21:12] and some undeveloped land .

[21:17] The project includes three request.

[21:19] There's design review for site layout and building design.

[21:23] A conditional use permit to authorize the operation

[21:26] of the religious assembly use.

[21:29] Development agreement, to facilitate the development

[21:31] and conveyance of the land.

[21:33] Which is city owned.

[21:35] And excuse me.

[21:37] General plan conformity finding -- that finds that the location,

[21:42] purpose, and extent of the land sale conforms to the general

[21:46] plan.

[21:49] The project includes a two story assembly building.

[21:54] Would be comprised of 33,433ft².

[21:59] The first floor will consist of a main sanctuary

[22:03] area with 622 seating capacity.

[22:05] A stage platform.

[22:07] Green room.

[22:08] Backup house.

[22:09] Lobby.

[22:10] Pantry.

[22:10] Restrooms.

[22:11] Five worship meeting rooms -- which will be for infants,

[22:15] of infant age -- up until age 15.

[22:19] And the second floor will consist of seven worship meeting

[22:22] rooms.

[22:23] Age 16 to adult. Three administrative offices.

[22:26] Restrooms.

[22:27] Storage area.

[22:28] The second floor will be used concurrently

[22:31] with the first floor during Sunday services.

[22:38] The building is sited at the Northeast corner of the site --

[22:43] which concentrates the mass of the building.

[22:45] And reserves the balance of the site

[22:47] for parking and landscaping.

[22:50] As you can see on this slide.

[22:51] There are two access points to the property.

[22:54] Vehicle access will be from John Johnson way,

[22:57] and from Veterans Way.

[22:59] There will be a total of 276 onsite parking spaces --

[23:04] which exceeds the peak requirement of 267 spaces.

[23:15] The building design will feature a contemporary architectural

[23:19] style, with an overall height of 37ft to the top of the parapet.

[23:25] Low sloped roofs will integrate and conceal

[23:28] the rooftop equipment.

[23:29] That will be located on the roof of the building.

[23:32] A concrete tilt up panels will consist

[23:36] of the walls in a warm to cool gray color palette.

[23:41] There will be decorative tile insets -- as you can see.

[23:45] And for cited architecture on all elevations.

[23:49] For each south and north elevation --

[23:52] there will be two storefront entries --

[23:55] which is a requirement of this specific plan.

[23:58] Solar blue glazing with black moldings.

[24:02] And Semi-recessed metal cross accent.

[24:07] The design features -- including a swimming to the parking

[24:19] for the project, is based on Tustin City code.

[24:23] And the simultaneous use of square footage

[24:24] within the building.

[24:26] Peak operating times will take place on Sunday,

[24:30] from 8 to 1 p.m..

[24:31] And weekdays in the evenings double from 6 to 9 p.m..

[24:36] There are no Saturday services proposed.

[24:39] This chart highlights the square footage

[24:45] of space used within the building,

[24:47] for the Sunday Service.

[24:49] There are 267 required parking spaces.

[24:52] The applicant is providing 276.

[24:55] The traffic city engineer has reviewed and accepted

[25:01] the parking study methodology that

[25:03] was provided by the applicant.

[25:06] Project is adequately parked during peak hours of operation.

[25:13] For all private nonresidential development within the Tustin

[25:19] legacy -- a development agreement is required to make

[25:22] this slide highlights a different parts

[25:24] of the development agreement between the applicant

[25:27] and the city paramedic essentially providing funding

[25:35] mechanisms and maintenance for the long term site operation.

[25:40] In accordance with Tustin City Code the Planning Commission

[25:45] will review the development agreement come and make

[25:47] a recommendation to the City Council --

[25:50] who ultimately adopted through an ordinance.

[25:57] Is similar to the prior project --

[26:00] this project also had a stream lined exemption prepared

[26:04] in accordance with Sequa guidelines,

[26:06] tearing the review of the project off of the Tustin Legacy

[26:12] Specific plan supplemental e r --

[26:14] which was certified in 2020 for.

[26:18] Based on the analysis of the project and using that document

[26:21] -- it was determined that no further review is required.

[26:25] Mitigation measures that were set forth

[26:27] in the prior environmental documentation,

[26:30] were carried forth into the conditions of approval.

[26:37] Before the city sells a real property,

[26:42] the Planning Commission is required

[26:43] to make a finding that the location purpose

[26:47] and extent of the sale conforms with the General Plan.

[26:50] A general plan designates the site as an active living working

[26:54] shopping and recreational environment,

[26:58] with access to amenities that support the community.

[27:01] The land use element contains a number of goals,

[27:05] and provides for well balanced land

[27:08] use pattern, that accommodates existing and future needs

[27:12] for the residents.

[27:13] The project satisfies those goals as indicated.

[27:24] At this point, staff recommends adoption of resolution number

[27:28] 4556 for the General plan consistency finding.

[27:32] And adoption of resolution 4557 --

[27:36] approving the design review and conditional use permit

[27:39] applications, adopting the addendum that was prepared,

[27:44] and recommending to the city, that the City Council approved

[27:47] the development agreement through ordinance.

[27:50] Thank you.

[27:51] >> Thank you.

[27:53] I understand that the applicant is here.

[27:57] We invite you up to make a presentation

[27:59] before we bring it back to the Commission and public comment.

[28:16] Good evening.

[28:16] I am Blake Crane. oversee of our development and expansion

[28:16] for Thank for inviting us here to share and present.

[28:19] Second I appreciate the test and staff greatly -- pair and --

[28:33] how they have helped walk through process Erica

[28:35] and Raymond and Jason the team been phenomenal.

[28:37] I look forward to continuing to work with the city.

[28:43] Mariner's has always had a heart for church planting.

[28:48] Now, 63 years running in Orange County.

[28:51] In 2020 -- Mariners became a multi-site church,

[28:54] which began our search for launching a church in Tustin.

[28:58] Through that -- we started a partnership with Orange County

[29:04] Commission not too far from here in 2022 when we started hosting

[29:09] weekend worship services there at the Rescue Mission.

[29:12] For four years we've been doing that to come

[29:15] and serving that community come the staff,

[29:18] and the students come and their families diminish every weekend

[29:21] through.

[29:23] Through that process and working with the city,

[29:26] serving at various events like Taylor Days and Easter

[29:30] celebrations within the city -- the opportunity to potentially

[29:35] move into the legacy area became an option.

[29:39] And clearly became an opportunity --

[29:42] what I would say a landmark opportunity --

[29:44] for us to launch a permanent facility in Tustin.

[29:50] Starting Mariner's Tustin -- which would allow us to provide

[29:55] the full complement of ministry offerings that we have.

[29:58] As well as continue to serve the OC community really well.

[30:04] As I mentioned, Mariners is much more

[30:07] than we can worship services.

[30:09] We are committed to shepherding and bringing the gospel

[30:14] to the next generation.

[30:18] Including young adults and youth groups.

[30:21] And kids ministry.

[30:23] As well as providing space for vital studies,

[30:27] and for life groups to meet.

[30:29] As well as moving through our local outreach

[30:32] initiatives like our partnership with (Indistinct).

[30:42] To unite with me, I've got the staff from Mariners Tustin.

[30:45] The lead pastor Aaron Hodge and Karen and Kathryn.

[30:45] Associate pastor and pastor.

[30:47] Just to buildings are just too old to support ministry.

[30:51] It's people who make up the church.

[30:54] People who serve people.

[30:56] I'm so grateful for this opportunity

[30:58] to present in front of you guys here.

[31:00] And to share a little bit about how much this opportunity means

[31:06] to us.

[31:12] Where we are at today we are fully prepared ,

[31:17] and working towards following an approval process we hope to get

[31:21] from you folks today -- to continue development

[31:24] and construction of this facility as soon as possible,

[31:27] and opening it.

[31:29] However we have faith that this will see its way through.

[31:32] We are stepping into that faith, by not waiting

[31:35] till the building is open to start

[31:36] serving the Tustin community?

[31:38] In fact in December, we are launching our church intestine

[31:42] at a temporary location -- two starts serving the community

[31:46] now.

[31:48] Hopefully in a Tustin school near you.

[31:54] [Laughs] We are still working on that.

[32:00] As I was reflecting on what to share with you folks tonight --

[32:03] it dawned on me -- this land that we are talking about coming

[32:05] this development we are talking about -- for many decades --

[32:10] supported our military, which served this country well.

[32:15] We have an opportunity to make sure this land continues

[32:19] to serve this community well.

[32:21] And to be of service to the community,

[32:24] for decades to come -- was something that just filled

[32:28] my heart.

[32:29] We are super grateful for the opportunity to be a greater part

[32:33] of the testing community --

[32:35] and to help to serve not only all those residences that you

[32:40] show on the map -- that are just right near our church.

[32:43] But, the entire city as a whole.

[32:45] And Orange County.

[32:46] As we continue to grow and expand.

[32:51] Thank you for the opportunity.

[32:53] I'm here to answer any questions you may have.

[33:08] >> Thank you.

[33:09] I'm going to bring it back to Commissioner.

[33:09] Any clarifying questions for staff or the applicant?

[33:09] >> For the chair.

[33:09] Question for staff.

[33:10] I've noticed on the overall site plan

[33:13] you've included John Johnson way and Harris Ship

[33:17] Avenue you've shown off site parking there just to be clear

[33:21] how many 276 parking stalls are just on site parking?

[33:25] >> Through the chair that's correct.

[33:27] It's all on site.

[33:28] >> Is there any particular reason why you showed 58 autos

[33:30] for street parking, 20 autos for street parking on airship

[33:34] and John Johnson Way?

[33:47] >> I'm not sure.

[33:48] Which plan are you looking at?

[33:48] >> Preliminary site plan scheme five.

[33:50] I think it's page 461.

[34:09] >> Bear with me here.

[34:10] that is a prior iteration of the project.

[34:14] It's not the current proposed project.

[34:16] Parking is on site paramedic

[34:21] >> And then the water quality.

[34:23] You have some two foot basins around the property.

[34:26] That is what we are looking at.

[34:27] The water quality treatment.

[34:32] >> I believe that's the case.

[34:36] >> Just for future reference double it looks like

[34:40] the Planning commission was not provided with colored

[34:44] elevations.

[34:45] Except for the rendering on the title page.

[34:59] >> There were color elevations included in the Powerpoint

[35:01] presentation.

[35:01] Yes.

[35:02] Not per se within the packet .

[35:14] >> That's it for me.

[35:18] >> No questions.

[35:22] >> (Indistinct)

[35:34] >> The one with the surrounding uses.

[35:36] Slide two.

[35:36] Staff.

[35:36] Can you remind me what is on the other side of water

[35:38] for future uses?

[35:48] >> That area is designated for residential, I believe.

[35:51] I may have to confirm that with the team here.

[35:51] It's undeveloped at the moment.

[35:52] It's designated for I believe, high density residential.

[35:55] >> If I can through the chair --

[35:57] I believe that area is mixed use zone.

[35:58] It does accommodate.

[35:59] I believe it's a neighborhood D North America does accommodate

[36:04] quite a residential.

[36:05] Originally it did not.

[36:07] We reasoned it any rezoning effort to include residential.

[36:11] I have to look at the numbers that were added.

[36:16] At this point -- there is no current plans to develop it

[36:21] in the near future.

[36:22] It's not on our list of active sites.

[36:26] I believe a portion of that property

[36:28] also is currently owned by the Navy.

[36:30] I would have to look at a larger aerial.

[36:33] It has not yet been released.

[36:37] >> That's the part of Linear Park that will have a bridge

[36:40] over water.

[36:41] Correct?

[36:42] >> That is correct.

[36:43] Where the green area ends on Warner there --

[36:46] that is currently elevated.

[36:48] It ramps up to dirt slope.

[36:53] There will be a pedestrian bridge crossing Warner there.

[36:56] And the linear park will continue to the Northeast

[36:59] on the other side of Warner.

[37:02] >> Just hypothetical.

[37:03] Can you walk me through somebody taking a pedestrian bridge over

[37:08] to access the church come down the park.

[37:10] How do they cross to get to the church?

[37:15] >> I don't have plans, in terms of what that slope is.

[37:23] And where it terminates at the base.

[37:25] I don't know exactly where they would come down that slope.

[37:31] Who's Emily, they would take the sidewalk and cross the street.

[37:37] >> Sounds good.

[37:37] The point I'm getting at --

[37:40] I think this would be a very successful church.

[37:43] The density on the other side come

[37:44] I think it's going to attract a lot of people coming just

[37:47] to walk across the pedestrian bridge I want

[37:48] to make sure there's a safe access

[37:50] point from the park to the church.

[37:52] Whether it be a crosswalk come a Hawk light.

[37:56] Something that can connect the two easily.

[37:59] And then come as far as notices go --

[38:02] the residential tract on the other side of Linear Park.

[38:07] That won't being developed by Irvine Company.

[38:09] The one already developed.

[38:12] They were noticed in today's public hearing.

[38:13] Correct?

[38:15] >> Yes.

[38:16] They were included within the radius.

[38:18] A portion of them.

[38:31] [Crosstalk]

[38:31] >> The ones in the radius.

[38:31] We didn't hear any responses from the notices?

[38:31] >> Staff did not receive any responses.

[38:31] >> Sounds good.

[38:32] That's it for my questions.

[38:33] Thank you.

[38:35] >> Just a couple clarifying.

[38:37] I'm sorry if I miss this.

[38:39] What is the actual maximum occupancy?

[38:41] And the schedule for the week?

[38:45] What is >> Through the applicant letter of operations --

[38:58] they will have two services held on Sundays.

[39:00] Their peak hour will be between 830 and 1 p.m.

[39:00] Come each Sunday.

[39:01] In the evenings -- they will have weekday small groups.

[39:06] Meetings.

[39:07] That type of thing happening.

[39:10] Between 6 and 9.

[39:11] On Sunday -- they could potentially have up to 600

[39:14] individuals attending.

[39:15] About 100 people attending during the weekday.

[39:19] >> Great.

[39:20] Separate events?

[39:22] >> I believe it's separate events.

[39:24] >> You would have 100 person event.

[39:26] 100% event?

[39:28] >> Yeah.

[39:29] For instance -- youth Night is mostly kids from their parents

[39:33] drop them off.

[39:34] Mondays and Tuesdays, we will host life groups.

[39:40] Or Bible study we call routed.

[39:43] It tends to be about 100 people or less.

[39:45] Is that what the conditions reflect?

[39:48] Operationally commonly limited to 600 people on Sundays?

[39:50] 100 on weekdays?

[39:52] That's just an estimate on use?

[39:54] >> It's an estimate on the use.

[39:56] Yes.

[39:57] >> If you have more than 100 people.

[39:59] >> I appreciate that.

[40:00] We do two. .

[40:04] >> 600 people maximum occupancy?

[40:21] >> I will have to confirm that.

[40:22] I don't believe that.

[40:22] It's not based on the building occupancy, such as the building

[40:22] code per se.

[40:22] It's more the numbers that are anticipated

[40:24] to be for folks utilizing these space for maximum grade.

[40:27] I'm just thinking about growth -- and how big you can go.

[40:32] We have future development across the way.

[40:35] We just approved the clear water?

[40:38] That's the one adjacent to it.

[40:41] I'm just curious, just in terms of the parking.

[40:45] That traffic analysis.

[40:47] Did anticipate this?

[40:48] Did we do that all together, or separately?

[40:55] >> If I can through the chair -- when we do projects like this --

[40:58] we look at traffic.

[41:00] We do have projects list.

[41:01] A projects list.

[41:03] Yes.

[41:04] That project did consider this proposal --

[41:08] because, this was a project that had been proposed.

[41:10] What I will say -- this does occur.

[41:14] Main traffic does occur on off peak hours.

[41:16] It occurs on Sundays.

[41:18] We have a low volume of traffic at that time.

[41:21] >> All right.

[41:22] Can you.

[41:23] On Warner?

[41:39] >> I don't believe so.

[41:40] I don't think there's any parking.

[41:40] I would have to take a look.

[41:40] >> I'm seeing heads shaking over here.

[41:40] You would know.

[41:40] Thank you.

[41:40] Those are all of my >> I have a follow up question.

[41:55] To the applicant -- you got to ferry little office here.

[41:57] What is up with that?

[42:09] >>

[42:09] [Laughs] Great question in today's age

[42:09] come with any actual physical office space is not the same.

[42:09] Our teams spend two days at our main campus in Irvine --

[42:10] working on essential teams at other congregations.

[42:13] Between actual events that we have -- serving in those events.

[42:18] Not in our office.

[42:19] Outside of that, we are mostly in the community --

[42:23] meeting with volunteers.

[42:25] Or other ministry partners.

[42:27] Or things like that.

[42:29] It's a very hybrid model -- in terms of how the church staff

[42:35] office.

[42:36] We want to maximize the amount of square footage that we can

[42:40] use to serve the community --

[42:43] lessen the administrative side.

[42:45] >> I also notice you have server pantries space.

[42:48] Is this going to be contemplated as a kitchen?

[42:54] Or pre planned food distributed later on for

[42:57] >> It's almost entirely coffee.

[42:58] Make sure people are alert and paying attention.

[43:01] >> That's what the AC is for you can just crank it up.

[43:05] >> That's feasible.

[43:18] [Laughs]

[43:19] >> Thank you.

[43:19] There is a lot going on over in that area.

[43:19] I'm excited to see Mariners coming in, and bringing

[43:19] more community and engagement.

[43:20] It seems like a thoughtful plan.

[43:22] I know how hard staff has worked on this.

[43:25] I am in support of this.

[43:29] I'm sorry. (Indistinct) I'm just going to go on record.

[43:43] I'm going to open it up for public comment.

[43:45] Vera?

[43:45] Are there any questions or comments?

[43:45] >> Chair.

[43:45] There are none.

[43:46] Thank you.

[43:47] Apologies everybody.

[44:04] >> Now we'll bring it back.

[44:05] I already made my comments. (Indistinct)

[44:13] >> Did it mess you up?

[44:14] >> Yes.

[44:14] I already did this seems like a fantastic project for spaces

[44:14] like this are necessary, as we build

[44:14] the community in that area.

[44:14] It seems well thought out.

[44:14] It's a good spot for it.

[44:15] It's a good proposal.

[44:15] It seems like it will do a lot of good for the community.

[44:18] Something that was mentioned additional parking on Warner.

[44:21] There's a bike lane.

[44:22] I think this is going to be a great thing.

[44:25] I wish you well.

[44:41] >> I'm excited for it.

[44:42] One of the things that I'm also excited about

[44:42] is that the residents closest to the project are noticed.

[44:42] No news is good news.

[44:42] I think they are excited to.

[44:44] With that come I'm in support as well.

[44:46] Did you see what it does for the community.

[44:48] And have much creativity will be in that new neighborhood.

[44:52] It is going to be a busy construction area.

[44:58] >> Through the chair -- the first youth group I went to when

[45:02] I came to Orange County back in 2000 -- was Mariners Church.

[45:05] I think it was Mike Eri was the youth leader back then.

[45:09] I can't think of a better partner in Tustin --

[45:14] Mariners church.

[45:16] A world class, great church.

[45:18] I think DK.

[45:20] He's a great lead pastor.

[45:25] My wife sang with him who am to support this.

[45:31] I'm probably going to end up attending this church.

[45:33] It's down the street from me.

[45:37] When I say these next comments, keep them

[45:40] in mind they come from a place of love.

[45:42] The design does baffle me a little bit.

[45:44] I made this comment last time.

[45:46] We're spending all this money on this park across the street.

[45:51] We need to direct it at staff.

[45:54] We need to figure out a way to be more intentional.

[45:56] At least to placate me -- that we are connecting pedestrians

[45:59] to that park.

[46:01] It should be a pretty awesome park.

[46:03] With respect to the design itself -- when I go to church,

[46:10] I can't wait to leave.

[46:15] [Laughs] I want to get to the open space.

[46:25] There's no open space gathering area here --

[46:27] which is a little bit of a bummer.

[46:27] Again, I'm of him I don't know how far along you are on CDs.

[46:27] Maybe some design critiques you can take into account.

[46:29] It's a little open space area.

[46:31] The tables for coffee would be awesome.

[46:34] Second, the primary point of egress --

[46:39] right out to this straight shot of a access road.

[46:44] That seems a little -- in my opinion --

[46:50] this is all my opinion.

[46:51] People tend to gather in the outside area saying

[46:55] goodbye to friends, or other family members.

[46:58] It seems like that is going to be a problem, traffic wise.

[47:02] Again come at your problem.

[47:03] It will be on your property.

[47:06] Maybe something can be done better there?

[47:10] That is just my thought frankly --

[47:12] I might have to endure some of these traffic congestion issues.

[47:30] [Laughter] Staff attracted some world class partners

[47:32] until they get certainly a big difference from 3 to 4 years

[47:32] ago.

[47:32] Stuff is happening out there.

[47:32] That is important.

[47:32] Mariners is a great partner.

[47:34] I do appreciate you guys investing in our city.

[47:55] >> All right.

[47:55] Thank you.

[47:55] I am going to make a motion to approve.

[47:55] >> I will second.

[47:55] >> Vera.

[47:56] Do you want to do a roll call vote.

[48:07] [Members voting]

[48:12] >> Motion passes 401.

[48:13] >> Thank you.

[48:17] [Applause]

[48:21] >> Right to we're going to move on to a regular business,

[48:23] which there is none.

[48:23] We will go on to other business.

[48:23] I will turn it to our community Development

[48:23] Director, for her report.

[48:23] >> Thank you very much chair.

[48:23] Just a brief update for you and the community.

[48:25] Last week we held the local redevelopment agencies

[48:28] annual meeting.

[48:29] It was a spectacular event at the AMC theater.

[48:33] Part of that was a short film that has

[48:35] been created for the legacy.

[48:36] To give a little bit of explanation

[48:38] about what's going on out there.

[48:40] The process for how things get selected and built

[48:43] and developed over time.

[48:45] That link has been put on the city's YouTube page.

[48:48] A link to our website.

[48:50] If you go into our website -- into the real property.

[48:54] Visit the manager's office.

[48:56] You can find that link.

[48:58] Watch that video.

[48:59] Really encourage everyone to do so come to get a better sense

[49:01] of what's going on out there -- and the magnitude of it all.

[49:05] It's very impressive.

[49:06] That's it for tonight.

[49:07] Thank you.

[49:07] >> Thank you.

[49:08] Commissioner Higuchi.

[49:25] >> Commissioner Gallo.

[49:26] Fortunate to attend that meeting.

[49:26] It was really something special to see

[49:26] a city council meeting in a movie theater

[49:26] was really exciting to see three movie theaters with people.

[49:26] 350 people.

[49:26] Great to see that come out and say some of the comments from

[49:27] the public about what they would like to see --

[49:29] threw me off a little bit.

[49:30] Some good ideas.

[49:31] I think that was the point of it.

[49:33] How to engage people.

[49:35] We can predict them.

[49:37] Promise to the city for putting that on.

[49:39] It was a big production also getting people

[49:41] to come out come here come and engage.

[49:43] I hope we get some interesting things because of that period

[49:46] that was really neat.

[49:47] Thanks to staff for spending your night at that fair.

[49:49] It was a pretty cool event.

[49:51] Also fortunate today.

[49:53] The city opened a new park today.

[49:56] Community Rail Park.

[49:58] Truly special.

[49:59] One comment stuck out somebody was impressed that the theming.

[50:03] Those are the details that make Tustin special.

[50:06] Not that we just put aside their.

[50:08] Somebody painstakingly went to a conference.

[50:10] And selected an appropriately themed slide in accouterments.

[50:14] Ada accessibility.

[50:15] All of that promise to the city for getting that one done.

[50:19] >>.

[50:20] Thank you.

[50:20] Commissioner.

[50:21] >> Well comments little ironic to follow

[50:23] the Mariner's application.

[50:24] The Tustin Historical Society is hosting their dive bar history

[50:28] on Friday.

[50:29] At seven.

[50:32] [Laughter] One of the historians have

[50:44] been diving into the old military history dive

[50:46] bars and bars from the city's inception.

[50:46] It should be pretty interesting.

[50:46] I don't think we've really jumped into that topic before.

[50:47] We will see how it goes.

[50:49] >> That sounds fun.

[50:52] No more comments other than thank you staff.

[50:55] It is amazing how much development is going on.

[50:57] In the very corner we seem to be speaking about repeatedly.

[51:02] Hopefully they are going to have traffic cops comment

[51:06] and all the construction going on over there at the same time.

[51:10] That is a handful.

[51:11] Other than that -- and other than I will probably be

[51:15] at the dive bar -- we are finished.

[51:18] No other reports.

[51:20] I can go ahead and adjourn this meeting?

[51:25] The next regular meeting of Planning Commission.

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