[0:32] Thank

[0:35] you everybody for coming in. I appreciate the audience also coming out.

[0:40] for this special conversation. So, there are a number of staff communications that have been

[0:46] put together to just help to holistic picture of some of the services that are already in

[0:57] place, and update on shelter within the city, and then I know our city attorney also has some

[1:04] additional information to share. I'll talk about what was presented at the office last

[1:09] So we'll get started this morning with Rachel Schumer, our director of Housing and Services, who will provide us a HR and shelter population.

[1:18] I did print out.

[1:19] Just let's do it too.

[1:22] Great.

[1:22] So thank you.

[1:22] So you can come to the next slide.

[1:24] So just to start things off, I just wanted to share the housing ecosystem.

[1:29] We shared this slide a lot out of Charlotte, but it really helps show that when we're moving through the housing ecosystem.

[1:36] A lot of what we're focused on here at this city, a lot of our funding of programs,

[1:40] is that stable housing where everyone wants to be at the goal.

[1:45] And so that's where a lot of our investments and resources are.

[1:48] But we do focus on the homelessness care through some of our funding for shelter and

[1:53] transitional housing that we'll get to later.

[1:55] But just once from that perspective again,

[1:57] Next slide please.

[1:58] So we're speaking about today is the unshelter.

[2:02] Again, we talked about this at our joint meeting and a couple meetings.

[2:06] what we're talking about, the un-house, there's the un-sheltered and you can each shelter.

[2:10] As you look across that spectrum of the different ways that people live, whether they're doubled up, or in hotels,

[2:17] and recovery housing, transition, all of those are the sheltered folks that were part of that un-house population.

[2:24] The un-house is what we're talking about, the un-sheltered is those who are living in places that are not intended for humans to sleep.

[2:31] And so that's where you're seeing in Cantonese people on the streets, the variety of different things.

[2:36] Next slide, please.

[2:39] I'm sitting from this.

[2:40] There are currently three ways.

[2:42] Self-resolution in our rapid exit.

[2:44] That's more of this.

[2:45] You know, maybe a bus ticket back home.

[2:47] It made me just some minor case management,

[2:50] reconnection with the location.

[2:52] It can also just be a little bit of street deposit.

[2:55] We need to wrap it.

[2:56] We have things where it's worth three months.

[2:58] typically after 24, but we're, again, having people get to about how they get them started and then they're able to be self-sufficient after that.

[3:07] There's another population with permanent support of housing that needs that long-term assistance, comprehensive case management, proposed with long-term homelessness, complex physical mental disabilities.

[3:19] Next slide please.

[3:20] As many of you remember, we participated in the Unsheltered Strategy last summer, last spring

[3:26] through summer.

[3:27] This was just a process that we went through as a community to talk about different strategies

[3:32] to address the Unsheltered homeless.

[3:35] Starting with the kickoff meetings that we have with the City of County elected officials

[3:39] defining the problem with a number of our providers, speaking to those with lived experience

[3:44] as the voice of the consumer, developing a path for a Chinese success and then presenting

[3:49] this report. Next slide case. We had a number of participants, but 27 agencies participated,

[3:57] highlighted in brand or a lot of the folks that are providing beds and housing. The other

[4:01] folks are providing some resources and services that are just in the back. Next slide please.

[4:10] And so what that group left with were two strategies. One, looking at low barrier options,

[4:16] really triage, getting people off the streets into that next step. There are a number of outcomes

[4:21] and objectives, med and measures that were identified for this, as well as next slide, these

[4:28] four of the longer term solutions. So we have supply and capacity because that longer term

[4:33] support and housing. And so again, that is that long term wellbeing that we are identified. Next slide.

[4:40] Based on that, there were some opportunities for success, specifically identified, since this meeting has taken place in September.

[4:49] Some of these initiatives have not looped a word, but there has been some progress.

[4:53] Next slide, please.

[4:55] So I just want to highlight some of those work that's been down in the community.

[5:00] Continuing with care, was identified in this group as needing additional support. Through a grant from the

[5:06] endowment, they are going to be able to look at their reporting to Andrew Program to be able to sustain

[5:11] it and continue to create work as being done there. The City of Wellington is also releasing some of our

[5:18] CWG community-bound block grants for shelter services and rehousing for persons experiencing homelessness.

[5:24] This is done on pretty much an annual basis. It's a portion of our entitlement funding that

[5:28] can be used for this purpose and so that RFP is under review right now and there's a word

[5:34] should be going out shortly. This is also a word if you check where it's some funding to replace

[5:39] generators and the HR systems. This will help during emergency storms to help sustain the

[5:46] shelter services to make sure that during hurricane this folks have a place to say.

[5:51] And then finally looking at ways to work with housing providers that are, you know, the

[5:58] market rate plan more, the city has participated with the Continuum of Care's HUD technical

[6:04] assistance providers, and they look at ways to strengthen this sort of housing in the region.

[6:09] This is an ongoing effort through our HUD reps and it's been a really great process and experience

[6:15] and looking forward to moving on with that.

[6:17] Next slide, please.

[6:19] So, speaking of that continuum of care, just sort of a high level overview of where things are.

[6:25] So, the Cape Air Homeless continuum of care is one of 12 continuum of care in North Carolina.

[6:32] As you can see, there are some clusters.

[6:35] And then the rest of the state is all the balance of state.

[6:39] locally, the COC is funded through the City of Wilmington as the largest partner

[6:45] of Bronsor County and Pender County currently, but the service area is City of Wilmington

[6:51] Bronsor County and Pender County and Pender County and Pender County.

[6:55] Next slide, please. This is just a list of really their primary duties as the only

[7:00] paper on the system of care. It is housed at the Paper Council of Governments that is the

[7:05] agency for this. So when we think about our HUD entitlement funding, the city receives home investment

[7:12] partnership money, homes we call it, and community development block grant or CDBG. The other

[7:18] funds that really got our funneled into the state and local community for homeless services go through

[7:23] this the city of the state here. And so they are the lead agency that carries out a lot of new

[7:35] applications, they administer their database, the HMIS, what we call it, all of the agencies

[7:43] provide that client-level data, so we have a really a scope of who's out there, what

[7:48] are they experiencing, and finding their individualized apps forward.

[7:53] And then, of course, coordinate entry, which gets that connection to housing kind of that last

[7:58] step.

[7:58] Next slide please.

[8:01] Speaking of the size of the universe year, in 2024, 23 out of every 10,000 U.S. residents

[8:09] experience homelessness.

[8:10] You're locally, if you look about graphic, it shares that 12 people out of 10,000 in

[8:18] the general population served by the continuum of care, you're locally our experience homelessness.

[8:24] When we break that number out into a more localized contacts, that number is going to be a little bit different.

[8:32] The concentration tends to be in the city of Wilmington, so we'll get back in just a minute.

[8:38] Next slide, please.

[8:39] For the 20-time pound, as many of you know, this is how we celebrate all city.

[8:44] Every January, they're at entire country.

[8:47] Those were all the 20-time out.

[8:49] And so there's 10 nights in January that they have to have to be completed on.

[8:54] It's required through the federal government to be in January, down this way,

[8:57] specific questions to be asked.

[8:59] And so what you're seeing here is the trend over time of this out.

[9:05] It measures both the unsheltered as well as the sheltered persons.

[9:10] You can see sort of some changes over time.

[9:13] We always like to remind everyone that as you do better in your senses,

[9:19] sometimes the numbers may go up.

[9:21] So it's not necessarily always an indicator of the actual number,

[9:26] but just help sometimes how effective the count has been.

[9:29] It's also important to remember that this is not just the end number.

[9:33] This is just a good starting point.

[9:34] Good start on the conversation.

[9:36] We know that there are many people who are undercounted

[9:38] and are not counted, whether they're doubled up,

[9:41] whether they're living in their powers.

[9:42] They're harder to reach and harder to count, harder to access.

[9:45] So I just wanted to put that out there.

[9:47] Next slide, please.

[9:49] After locally over the past two years,

[9:52] we should be wanted to show the difference

[9:54] of the accounts between the Hanover,

[9:56] Bonds, and Pender County.

[9:58] And that's what we're saying, you know, when you look.

[10:00] If it are shared here, you can see that we, in Japan or counties, specifically city of Wilmington, tend to have the higher numbers.

[10:10] And it's like this. So that's where you look at protecting what our homeless population would be the peace and care to be averaged.

[10:19] What I would really equate to for the population of Wilmington being an estimated 127,000,000, it would be really about an average of 293 persons.

[10:30] We're really putting that to, again, instead of the 12 for 10,000, it would be about 152.

[10:38] So we just wanted to sort of share that size of the universe and where things are.

[10:42] Next slide, please.

[10:44] The show here, in addition to the point of time, there's a housing inventory account that also takes place in that time.

[10:51] So we wrote down the different shelters where there are beds.

[10:55] You can see the capacity in who's enrolled and where they're located.

[10:58] It highlighted in blue are all of the service providers that have the beds located in the city

[11:03] of Wilmington.

[11:06] Next slide please.

[11:07] Two to the same potential housing.

[11:09] Again, highlighting what's in the city.

[11:11] Next slide please.

[11:13] And then that permanent supportive housing.

[11:15] And so again, even though those folks are not necessarily considered unsheltered or almost

[11:18] anywhere because they're household or something that we want to track and make sure that we

[11:23] consider the number of beds that are there.

[11:25] as people may move on and how many beds are really missing in the community.

[11:30] Next slide, please.

[11:32] City funds have supported of network agencies over the past five years,

[11:36] totaling over 5.5 million dollars.

[11:39] As you can see, this includes the Sparrow, which is a 32 unit permit for a housing,

[11:45] Eden Village, which is, again, permit for an a housing.

[11:48] You also have some rehabilitation of birthwood with a cater collective, with the rest of the funding has been really to support the operating capacity of number of nonprofits serving the unsheltered and homeless population.

[12:05] Thank you.

[12:09] Thank you.

[12:09] Sit next slide.

[12:10] Two more times please.

[12:13] Absolutely.

[12:14] Thank you.

[12:16] So, thank you.

[12:17] Thank you.

[12:17] to work with them.

[12:19] As you can see here, this was done during that unsheltered strategy to say, okay, what?

[12:24] So, what do we really need, how many beds are needed, how many units are needed?

[12:29] And so that was just sort of that exercise that was done that we just wanted to share with you

[12:33] just to refresh that.

[12:35] Really looking at, there are rapid rehab and that is getting folks into the market rate of units

[12:42] just with a little bit of help is around 800.

[12:45] and then that permanent support of housing.

[12:47] It is a very specific unique population looking at that and what's in the projected

[12:52] at the time this study was done.

[12:55] It was looking at that there was a gap in about 25 to 75 units that does include the

[13:00] sphero in there as part of the ones that are coming the projects and a few other things that are

[13:04] coming up on.

[13:06] Next slide please.

[13:08] So I'm not kind of getting into this.

[13:10] I know we spoke about this at the last attempt of everything but the getting home street outreach

[13:13] is another program of the city funds and participates in with the New Handover County and so

[13:21] shown here some of the different duties and how they're broken up. Next slide please.

[13:26] And then the Municipal Service District and many of you here about the street outreach coordinator

[13:31] funded with MSC funds. That is Jack, as many people have heard and know him and so just want to

[13:38] to share the how the city participates in funding his position through our MSD, as well as some of the service related to on-house issues,

[13:47] discussing a trash and smaller on-house campsites, clean-ups, things like that. It takes about a third of the maintenance request that the MSD is receiving.

[13:56] Next slide please.

[13:58] So show here when you zoom out is where all of these services and providers are located,

[14:05] looking from, on slow, down to Brunswick County.

[14:09] As you can see, there's a very high concentration of services that's housing in the city of

[14:15] Wilmington.

[14:15] Just wanted to sort of put that into perspective as we talk about what's going on.

[14:20] Next slide please.

[14:21] Zooming back out into the state overall, again with these 12 continuum of hairs throughout

[14:27] the state, this is just to show the number of folks counted in the pit and then the funding

[14:34] that we receive, again, through the continuum care and just to show where we are as this

[14:40] region compared to the rest of the state, the numbers of folks at their counting as well as the

[14:44] funding that they're receiving to address these. As you can see, this COC receives some of the

[14:50] all our amounts, especially considering the population counted, and so local dollars are being

[14:56] used to leverage and invest to help really address this integral.

[15:01] Next slide please. Looking down in South Carolina, there have been some pit counts there and you can see sort of what they're looking at as far as their account. This is the wrong. This was have a map, I'm not sure how that got to move, but this South Carolina's consumer pair functions with four different consumer pairs, so it's a little bit different how it's structured.

[15:26] And so the one here locally near Murdoch Beach has a total count in 2023 of 1,000 and 60s.

[15:35] So it's a much larger geographic area, but it's definitely a different number.

[15:40] They have a number of services.

[15:42] We've done a lot of research into what they're doing down there.

[15:46] And their consumer care doesn't have paint staff, but they partner with an agency that has about 35 paint staff members.

[15:51] So definitely a different and different scale.

[15:54] Next slide please.

[15:55] So if there was a lot of information in a lot in the packet and whatnot, so just wanted to highlight a few things that the city is contributing over 5.5 million dollars of homeless services over the past 5 years, not including the staff that costs to operate the getting home program from this police department.

[16:12] And they're about 200 shelter beds in the city and then Salvation Army when it comes online will increase that total and then the total point time count was about five or six and about almost half and half was sheltered on shelter again just the folks that we were able to count and again a lot of these services are located in the city limits so that concludes my presentation happy to answer any questions.

[16:38] Rachel, the point is that you'll have to decide with the funding for the CFCs, and it's just

[16:46] kind of allowing this to, this is we've never done in CROs.

[16:52] But you never heard how me did not, as part of their budget, they did not renew the funding

[16:59] more than you do appear. That was not part of their non-county agency funding. It was part of their

[17:08] Okay, and then just a couple more of my main thing about what days was the pitch.

[17:17] And the January 25th.

[17:20] And was the warming shelter open during the pitch count?

[17:24] No, it was open.

[17:26] Sorry, this is Andrew's house.

[17:27] I'm going to do a pair.

[17:29] Oh, thank you.

[17:32] And then, so, do we know the numbers that utilize the warming shelter?

[17:40] Is it the same to me like what was supposed to do with under this kind of argument?

[17:46] Yeah.

[17:47] So the warning shelter, it operates where it's not just people who are necessarily

[17:52] unchelted or on how they go in there, sometimes there's folks who are house, but may not

[17:57] have running water or he ends up they have seen some refuge there.

[18:02] They had in 2024 to 2025, they hosted 34 nights.

[18:08] and they had 175 persons sheltered on the coldest nights.

[18:14] And then, just finally, you had a deficit in permanent support of housing of 25 to 75 units.

[18:23] Some of those would be built by the Sarah.

[18:25] Can you remind me how many units are in the Sarah?

[18:29] The total count was about 100 units properly, but that was the Sarah's 32 units.

[18:36] Okay, so that's the deficit.

[18:38] it. It's still that twenty five. Yeah, so yeah, okay. Thank you.

[18:44] Thank you.

[18:44] Well, the North Carolina COC's, and this is learning to me, and I don't, you've got

[18:51] down here that we have to seek funding with your 2020 free exercise, COC five

[18:56] with your man, but five hundred and ninety three count.

[19:02] Looking at some of those numbers, you're like charcoal heel.

[19:04] I don't know if you're going to put on the count, yet there we see them 190,000 from

[19:11] being in two, being able with three, eight, eight, seven, one through the higher than

[19:18] us.

[19:20] I guess they're nearly a million, and they've got four seats of six of the five, nine, three

[19:24] we've only been getting five, fifty, nine, and eight, one, five, five, five, five, five.

[19:30] If you know my address, since she runs this, please get that out.

[19:34] Why are we so much lower in receiving federal funding

[19:37] of all these other counties in parts of the state of receiving,

[19:43] so you seem like to get me more money with once in Canada

[19:46] so close to ours?

[19:49] So every year, we are given an annual renewal amount,

[19:52] and then you are, which states that your current project

[19:55] is going to have running college, we need to renew those,

[19:58] and then based on that funding.

[20:00] Deert able to go after bulb and Sunday to increase your solicitation in two. Next year, please had some folks hurry yet, we'll get up in additional 3,000."

[20:09] So at some point, I would switch as soon as I'm there.

[20:15] I have been here about two years, so some of this kind of, you know, the effect of vacation because some of our normal projects didn't get rid of it, and so some of it is the shreds of your composition report.

[20:26] I will say prior to the amount of points you get for how you write the grant comes into play.

[20:33] And again, we'll one of our projects is the extent that the tax burden you get actually

[20:38] can do with the tax on these levels.

[20:40] So we've been working on enjoying that.

[20:42] That's been my primary focus since I started.

[20:45] It's how we down on that box.

[20:47] So what I have to go to Sunday, so now that we have the next amount,

[20:51] are going to be the reactor of both Greece, but we are well below what are identified as

[20:58] there needs of its other concurrent. So it's how much you're creating, you can say, so we have

[21:03] no problem. So we are less, this is where you're trying to get into those of us who are

[21:08] not writing on the real public system.

[21:11] So is that part of the report process, too? I mean, when you say report, you said something

[21:16] about some of the reporting numbers, is that the different non-profits that are of the

[21:22] humblers, that are reporting numbers to the supply to whoever.

[21:26] So, are we, a lot of what that is just based on is your practice.

[21:30] So, we wanted several permits for it, I was thinking of the projects, we will be running

[21:34] right away housing.

[21:35] So, about how that boosts performance and whether they're going to, how their ramifications

[21:40] or to see it apply to the application of each project,

[21:43] that the state wants some of our artists.

[21:46] Or in housing, use one of our projects

[21:49] to send it to our past the fiscal year,

[21:52] and so they weren't able to use it, but did not come to the United States.

[21:56] And so this step, sort of,

[21:57] kind of, that seems like

[22:01] that you can't

[22:02] the way that you have to apply for things,

[22:03] since it's done, it's actually a problem.

[22:05] Well, you're putting it up, brother, sister.

[22:09] Just regular within my role.

[22:14] We mentioned that a lot of the agencies that didn't,

[22:24] was there a way to catch that before?

[22:26] It wasn't in a report.

[22:29] So it was a project that extended and I didn't understand it.

[22:32] So, for instance, any project that helped us to do it and to figure it into space and other info coming out.

[22:40] You think all of your new projects that ended the report?

[22:42] No, no, no, no, no.

[22:43] No, no, no, no, no, no.

[22:46] We'll come out for fun.

[22:47] And so, the only project that you can

[23:03] do.

[23:03] So we have, we have, we've got people that are doing places that are doing the worst,

[23:09] but it seems that I'm going to view what you say, is that, um, they're done.

[23:17] I don't think they're not getting information to us or we're not collecting that enough soon enough to get it to hurt it.

[23:23] Yeah, all of our data is collected. It's all on time and we have a data.

[23:37] Right, right, and we have

[23:44] a data.

[23:44] This is the last competition from the one that you saw that our wife, we were funded therapy.

[23:49] We got really slowers that the last competition

[23:52] those I have dramatically, and again, that's why our funding

[23:55] would have dramatically the better.

[23:57] Each one of them, obviously, if you're in a little

[24:00] amount, that gives that a way for feeding against each other,

[24:03] the rest of the community nationally with how you

[24:04] were to project, and how you were to perform.

[24:06] And so we did some of the agencies on that

[24:08] did actually go down on sheer emergency,

[24:10] increasing the number of them.

[24:12] OK, well, it's no question.

[24:14] When you say you're competing against each other,

[24:16] the agencies that are working here in GlobalJet, they write to you for funding.

[24:21] They're going to be against each other.

[24:23] So we have a couple of competitions.

[24:25] So if we get to see MC funding, which is the number that was up there,

[24:28] we also get emergency solutions funding.

[24:30] So as the MC, I want to reiterate, we are the LEHGC at the top of the MC

[24:34] and it's all of our kind of collaborative efforts.

[24:37] So there is a local competition.

[24:38] One of those necessary opportunities come out.

[24:42] We have to compete for those.

[24:43] So if we have a community that ranks for applications, they actually perform, we look at data,

[24:48] is it something we need, is it something we have to identify as a priority, and so they get

[24:54] ranks and funded a quarter to that.

[24:57] So yes, and then...

[25:00] Additionally, the bonus money that HUD has didn't earn out, we're getting within every aspect of these parts of the country.

[25:10] So I think we're able to bring in this over $1,000 additional dollars, because it's a lot of hard work to do with that.

[25:17] So

[25:22] the money that they are called out is smaller than some of our peer policing

[25:33] or we should

[25:37] have a problem.

[25:38] We should increase that money to show our true need for the money.

[25:45] So that means, basically,

[25:56] one of the cities is

[25:59] the problem of money.

[26:00] We

[26:07] get, we just

[26:13] said, we want to see what happens when I don't take the chocolate in the back.

[26:16] If they want you to have a leather-type of glue, they're going to see if that happens.

[26:20] We're going to have the gloves with their prime because they're turning on the end off.

[26:23] It just keeps you safe on that.

[26:26] We get,

[26:38] yeah.

[27:12] So we have to be able to see many fine protective gloves.

[27:14] This is one of those bigger things that

[27:21] we like to see.

[27:22] I get one of that.

[27:26] Prior to that, we only had a two-out 7th of the age.

[27:30] I'm going to just see that one.

[27:32] It's not going to be a lot of stuff.

[27:34] So, this is not a big thing.

[27:37] We need to do this.

[27:38] We need to do this.

[27:39] We need to do this.

[27:43] Other applications that they will.

[27:56] We need to do this.

[28:00] I just want to talk about

[28:07] this.

[28:07] What do you think about this?

[28:08] What do you think about this?

[28:12] When the law agencies are getting ready to jump.

[28:26] We have a degree for our process, so it should also mention everyone that makes the

[28:30] funding decisions to not be from agencies that are funded.

[28:33] So anybody that's on a committee can't directly benefit.

[28:35] We are very aware of our transparency.

[28:38] So we have a degree for our process.

[28:39] We do have an opportunity to come here to help improve our applications.

[28:47] One of the things we had happened in this time around was for instance.

[28:51] We had a project that we're going to have six or seven other street outreach teams that

[28:57] already have.

[28:58] So it doesn't make access to 28 those services within our limited amount of funding on that.

[29:03] It doesn't mean we talk to you.

[29:04] It was another gap that you could go.

[29:06] We didn't have to.

[29:07] You don't want to support.

[29:09] We want to make sure to structure it.

[29:11] So that's the kind of conversations we're having.

[29:13] These are the things we look at our data looking at what we have.

[29:17] Who's best in the best place to do that.

[29:19] So yeah, we do have things in place to try to encourage hosts that maybe have and receive it.

[29:26] And we do we have a new brand new project, this time we had a new project last time.

[29:31] So we're always looking to bring new partners to the table.

[29:34] We

[29:38] talked about the return and homelessness, right?

[29:42] What is your current rate?

[29:45] It is less than 5%.

[29:47] So once we make these our system and it's currently housed the state, the problem is just the opportunities to have that happen.

[29:56] And so that's such a, you know, a private company.

[30:00] So we're going to act to, you know, whichever, it tracks about the system, whether they are reaching back out, whether they find themselves in where we should charge the system with seven six other seats.

[30:09] And I'm listening, that is really good.

[30:11] Yes, so actually it's over seven percent and we are under five.

[30:23] It says, I will say, when we row out the numbers, we're starting 87% of our folks that are served.

[30:31] served in the head of a county, and then currently it is a little bit of a tricky thing.

[30:37] All of our funded agencies heard they are based on

[30:46] that.

[30:46] From there,

[30:52] I'm going to get to the bottom of that.

[30:53] Both in the main county has all of those folks.

[30:57] Yes, we do have any queries in the rest of the country.

[31:03] They have done a really good job of increasing their services.

[31:06] They do participate in contributing a lot of time.

[31:09] There are taking both from here as well, but there we had how could they maximize those things and unfortunately we haven't been in a place of time.

[31:18] Some of those things, yeah.

[31:19] But hopefully.

[31:26] We're going to come and support them and

[31:34] work with all the five years of this.

[31:40] We're getting there.

[31:42] Yeah.

[31:42] You know, we're just having a lot of cities and

[31:48] communities.

[31:50] Just two or seven.

[31:52] All the other.

[31:53] That's

[31:59] going to be all the same.

[32:04] We're looking at operating budgets for our shelters that have applied to us.

[32:11] However, I'm like two to three million dollars depending on what services you're

[32:14] measuring in that being able to function all of their plans. Additionally, some of these

[32:19] other agencies are functioning like warming shelter. They function mostly on donations and

[32:25] and persons, but they're looking at how do we protect what numbers and how let's

[32:30] have the costs and they're looking at say like 33,000. So some of these agencies

[32:35] are really focused just on that one shelter and some of this conversation so it's

[32:39] our graph or head, but probably somewhere in the three to five million dollars

[32:44] annually overall for all of these agencies specifically for this.

[32:47] In addition to what we used for, just because it's an annual budget, we're looking at new

[32:53] construction projects depending on the scale of what we wanted to build another facility.

[32:58] That can range, you know, to be $10 million for a new facility that may be $32 best.

[33:06] So it's kind of what you're talking about with that.

[33:11] But generally operating these services are somewhere in there.

[33:15] And then in your load barrier entry, I don't know that I have all of these sort of supplies

[33:21] first of all that have a lot of shelter, and some who's just what it

[33:30] still is.

[33:44] It depends on the facility.

[33:46] Obviously when children are involved, there's going to be higher barriers in standards to protect them.

[33:53] When you have to be more low barriers, shelters like the warmest children, things like that,

[33:58] that's not encouraged to have the children there

[33:59] for that purpose to keep that low barrier.

[34:02] So there's a variety of some of our most of our appealing

[34:05] place, it is a lot of resources that we show up

[34:08] after we get a bed.

[34:09] Other ones are more regular, where they have a waiting list

[34:13] because they're a capacity and they work with the folks

[34:15] to get them to the next day.

[34:17] So the standards depend on the facility

[34:19] and they range, they're not really a good year-round

[34:23] low barrier shelter that any one can just talk to you too.

[34:26] Is that based on the truth issues and you have a self-construction and a curious

[34:32] social media that's like, yeah, is that that it was just based on what the

[34:39] show of the ones you want to do?

[34:41] I think it depends on what the shelter is looking to do with their services.

[34:45] So again, if you're looking to serve families and you're going to have some restrictions,

[34:49] you don't really have a shelter here that's focused on low-berry events,

[34:53] Okay, that's what we're talking to, so that would be an opportunity.

[35:00] You can't comment in the task.

[35:05] On the go, on that.

[35:07] Yes. So, yeah.

[35:13] Exit homelessness. You talk on the so-called, that's low-beers,

[35:18] for those who are in the news, that you're saying, they are busier,

[35:22] or they're going to be one of the two sides behind and how we

[35:25] have gone like that, that we're getting the most to put them back and out.

[35:30] You tend to, yes, and that is, the teachers of the system that are living in a car over the summer because they don't have a K-track, that's that kind of situation sometimes.

[35:39] And so that is a low hanging group in that sense of, it's a low cost typically, and it's something that's accessible.

[35:47] One of the challenges in getting people into housing, it's just the number of units available, especially at that price point.

[35:53] And so that's sometimes the challenge.

[36:01] I have to look into that.

[36:10] Okay.

[36:32] There.

[36:33] There.

[36:34] There.

[36:35] There.

[36:38] But it's about 75 beds that will be available in the space of women and families.

[36:44] What is the most prevented from being opened by those people?

[36:48] They have some sort of issue of preventing them from there.

[36:53] So you can see that they're working through that.

[36:58] And then when they open, they'll be doing a phase of crotchware at all 75,

[37:02] and come in at once. They'll ease it into it.

[37:10] They were part of the conversation, there's a variety of ways of the askables involved in some of this conversation.

[37:17] They have recently funded eat and village to have a respite home.

[37:21] So when folks who do not have a place to go after surgery or some sort of admission, they are able to say in this respite home to help recover

[37:30] and then that provides the way to get the key standards which you get in the house.

[37:34] So yeah, things like that, there's plenty of projects like that.

[37:37] And any serves to know where you're going up,

[37:40] all of you can serve the mission on the top of that perspective.

[37:46] It's something that's going to be able to serve the services,

[37:49] those options, something that you have to serve.

[37:52] So the answer to the fact that I'm telling you may have to

[37:55] get the hospital within the visual to be able to any of those numbers.

[37:59] I don't have that available, but we can look into that sort of, sort of,

[38:02] see what they're all.

[38:06] I think it's something that we should just say.

[38:09] And it's the smartest.

[38:11] I mean, that's one of the search that we get,

[38:13] I don't know if we would talk about the plan A&M's.

[38:16] It's going to be in a year's gap.

[38:17] Most of the amount of searches that we're not available to get,

[38:22] maybe, you know, in a second, or get it out.

[38:24] Does that mean you can do it?

[38:25] It's always so.

[38:27] Yeah.

[38:28] Yes.

[38:28] And the Michael Jordan clinics are also a way that the hospital has tried to help prevent

[38:35] that overuse the KER by having those in some different communities be able to find that

[38:40] level.

[38:41] since the situation has ended loose on here,

[38:44] I don't know if we have a joint group of county

[38:47] in the arts of the public, with the average 7 months

[38:52] that we have been receiving this.

[38:54] The primary is the 3100.

[38:56] Resent to recovery.

[38:58] For this, those that are coming here for recovery services,

[39:01] do we know what the success rate is for this recovery services?

[39:07] We have any idea.

[39:07] You have a ball of art, a national average, or what is the healing place is annual report on the website of 2024 hat.

[39:18] I recollect you as a 20 by the 27th.

[39:21] You have a disaster, you have a disaster.

[39:24] All right.

[39:25] I'll do it.

[39:26] I'll do it.

[39:27] I'll do it.

[39:33] I'll do it.

[39:35] I'll do it.

[39:37] I'll just take this as just to know about average, I'll just solve it, because that is just a challenge enough to get through.

[39:45] All those folks that maybe have come here for their services, and they've all out for their lives.

[39:53] What do we have right here? What happens if they look back home? They have money to go back home?

[40:13] We have any kind of money set aside to dispose of the same money that back home, that in a time in your group of concerns, but one of you is another pretty less. Do you have any idea about that?

[40:24] The city does not find anything like that at this time.

[40:26] It's a service provider.

[40:28] Yes.

[40:29] Service provider.

[40:30] Is there a need for that to run off me?

[40:32] I don't know.

[40:33] From the service provider, doesn't it?

[40:34] That you're sure there's a bad answer?

[40:35] Yeah.

[40:37] Something that something went wrong, that people have found that.

[40:42] California, by the way.

[40:44] Yeah.

[40:45] I relocation type of public loan.

[40:47] I would say to people, say, I want to go on about that.

[40:49] 20.

[40:50] I have family there.

[40:51] I have some people.

[40:52] And it's whatever places.

[40:53] Okay.

[40:55] And I just wanted to ask this, and I don't want to talk to you ever to throw about this at one.

[41:01] I always should get us all out of here answer.

[41:05] So what in your work did you do?

[41:10] Do you record the last term in address of the people that you're serving?

[41:16] And what is the percentage that are coming here from down here?

[41:20] I do have that, the percentage that it's far more than how you're counting the fees that

[41:25] have all of us.

[41:27] So, gains that are percent.

[41:29] I'm just going to repeat this at my command of the services of anybody to see us here going

[41:33] to the people that they're last going to investigate.

[41:37] Thank you.

[41:40] I appreciate the slide to see some odd half of the dollars.

[41:44] We have to look directly to our services.

[41:48] We have the Oracle Housing Fund.

[41:50] We have been through almost a million dollars a year.

[41:52] I think that's a system of these items.

[41:58] We said, I'm at my last five years.

[42:00] I wrote an article this morning.

[42:02] I'll say it won't exist.

[42:03] It's a 10-year plan to handle this.

[42:05] That article was written in 2008.

[42:07] 17 years ago, in that article,

[42:09] these kind of savings and discussions were had.

[42:12] What did he possibly suggest?

[42:15] Smaller work.

[42:15] There are elements of the city.

[42:17] That's been in the last 17 years.

[42:20] We were on the second.

[42:21] We can absolutely look at that up.

[42:24] I just need to be like, exactly.

[42:28] In the 80s, I was, I got involved with the K.

[42:32] Agricultural Rescue in the old postory.

[42:36] We had facility for 30 drugs.

[42:39] That's basically the way we were.

[42:40] It's hard to raise money to that kind of niche.

[42:43] We provided a place for them to become a cashier breath.

[42:48] And a lot of them were transiently moving south and moving around.

[42:52] And during that time I had involved with St. James,

[42:55] home to the shop, the shop, the built-in facility, and they had to walk.

[43:00] And the people that were telling me they'd like to be right.

[43:02] They couldn't have been intoxicated.

[43:04] They had to check in in the clock.

[43:06] If they had a job working at a restaurant,

[43:08] what we've been honored, they're excused from the vaults

[43:12] on the end of the restaurant that I mean just like it's 10.

[43:16] And you get up and morning at six,

[43:18] you get a back out of the street.

[43:19] This is only an operated group,

[43:20] oh, well, the month's not ever in the March.

[43:23] I see, I don't know if I did that for about 11 years,

[43:27] two nights a month.

[43:29] And I would see, maybe,

[43:31] I happen to do some people every year.

[43:33] But the rest of them were very fluid and fluid and they did better.

[43:40] In a few occasions, we would have brothers with children,

[43:42] with 7,000 somewhere else in the church.

[43:45] They were busing their shops to get into these programs.

[43:48] A lot of people aren't.

[43:50] They're not trying to get in these programs and we talk to them.

[43:56] And there might be some momentary good.

[44:00] It comes in and then they will last back into it.

[44:04] You can take, you can take, you can take, you can take, you can take, you can just,

[44:06] burn that, you should be at higher percent and be on the streets for 30 days.

[44:11] And that's when he came up with the idea of, well, I'm going to that, but, you can, you can,

[44:17] leave a horse to water, you can't make a dream.

[44:20] And a lot of these people, I mean, it's not like we're throwing good money after bad,

[44:24] but I sat in so many meetings just like this,

[44:28] And it's the worst now that it was 10 or 15 years ago, but I was on the council and up

[44:34] in the 14 years, and I went out on some of those towns, and it's not an accurate count.

[44:40] In a way to be accurate.

[44:41] You do the best you can, but I haven't been here since many young, I know where it is

[44:46] a can, but over so, so there's 200 people that are winning for those people, and the count

[44:51] would be more accurate than you're in the sun.

[44:54] That's some people around. Oh, let's go when it's 30 degrees. I don't find somewhere to get in.

[45:34] It's kind of like a guy told me one time, if you've got a ball on the middle of the table in my side, it's like, it loose signs, why it means, never want a group, because I can't see the other side of this ball, that's what we're trying to accomplish here. We're trying to see what's right in some of these people. We've got a great system that we come up with, came up with this and that, that's a place in the person that is used to demon with people like that.

[46:01] And hopefully it's going to be a good, but we're just in a good, we're not peeling the onions in back.

[46:09] We got to hit down the core of this problem and it's going to have to be something drastic that we do, just like a portable housing.

[46:17] We're going to hit it, we're going to go a little bit at the time.

[46:22] This home of the situation is going to have to work in order to go in the market.

[46:27] He put his right down and his little dog there put him in the thing that he is decided to do and what he does

[46:34] That's his job

[46:35] I don't know that he wants to be there

[46:38] a lot of people just don't know that

[46:42] You're gonna see who's like them

[46:44] This thing I've seen happen long times eating house. They got some hard core people off of the street and they're happy

[46:51] They have rules everywhere, they can screw up their lives if they do, they're right back out in the woods.

[47:00] Those are the kinds of things that we do at ourselves, or the county, or with some good folks out there,

[47:06] like we could talk to the deep in the house, things like that's what it's going to take you to some of the people off the street

[47:12] and it's some kind of shelter, permanent, and then a lot of those people there will kiss their breath

[47:20] and they're going to say it and they're going to keep on moving.

[47:22] This is the magnet.

[47:24] This is the magnet everybody comes to it.

[47:27] Now I don't know that they come to the center because of our psychiatric care

[47:31] or the middle care.

[47:32] They come here because this is where the people are.

[47:34] Tourists come here.

[47:35] They say they're on the road.

[47:36] Some tourists are going to be back.

[47:37] And he says, God, 20,000, I don't know.

[47:38] He says, I don't know if it's in it to go bad to talk.

[47:41] He stands out there.

[47:43] And it makes his money.

[47:45] So I don't know.

[47:46] Nobody understood what the cure is.

[47:48] We've all got our ideas.

[47:49] or do we hear of it, but we can have these maintenance until the cows get them and we feel good about it.

[47:56] That's what these are, these are a real good meetings, but we're not getting anything accomplished.

[48:01] We can look at all these statistics from all these cities and the sea of the seas.

[48:07] And God does that, you know, I pray about this all the time.

[48:10] We can show us the way Lord how we can help these people and get them all the street, get them in the houses,

[48:18] and put using the drugs and get themselves held on the ground right over here, but it's so frustrating

[48:25] that we see it, we want to do something about it and we get angry at them because they mess up our places, they do this, they do that,

[48:32] but at the end of the day, they're human beings, we got to do something to help them.

[48:37] And I don't know, I wish I knew, I wish I hadn't answered.

[48:40] Those are just my observations from 48 years ago.

[48:55] So we absolutely can do an off-cycle one in addition to the required one.

[49:00] Yes, so the one in January is required by HUD, but we could globally do our own asset

[49:05] questions we want to ask. I know the consumer care has also talked about really being into interviewing

[49:10] people in the big experience to really understand not just the numbers but the reasons why

[49:15] the unique experiences that people have and that's something that they're looking

[49:18] forward to doing over the next year of really engaging in that. But yeah, absolutely we can do it

[49:23] What would that cost in? Why do you do that? I would have worked. I don't know. We have

[49:30] some of the campsore. I can't be in suburban areas of the city. Obviously we have the

[49:37] intent. We can go to and we have to show you. You do that fairly easily. Yes. It's very low cost.

[49:44] In the sense there's a lot of volunteers and donations, but there may be some administrative

[49:48] We could put the other budget on that out there.

[49:52] There's a note that I don't know if it's true and still I mean I don't know if it's true

[49:55] but it used to be a sense that a lot of people in America to play Jack.

[50:00] That's probably one, no. So I mean, that's a daunting fault.

[50:07] I have a couple of questions. There's just some things that you said. And the first or not,

[50:12] others are very sure which is. It looks like in the 2024 timeline. In the month of May,

[50:17] you did the voice of the consumer piece, and you did speak to some folks who had been empathetic.

[50:21] At least in the past experience, someone says can you tell us a voice summary of what you learned there?

[50:25] Yeah, a lot of that conference conversations were just really folks who wanted people to understand that they're not just the stereotype, you know, what got them there, their experience

[50:36] What type of services they need, what they're looking for and I can provide some of those statements, but that's really the summary of just this is how I got here

[50:44] This is my unique circumstance, and this is what I need to get to the next step, so it's a lot of those conversations

[50:49] And we talk about stereotypes, I mean, there's, there's, you know, just respect for negative stereotypes.

[50:56] But I think there's also, like, the buckets that we try and put things into systematically.

[51:01] And I know a lot of times we talk about people who have mental illness, who have addiction,

[51:04] and that, you don't have either, and they're just poor.

[51:07] And they just need resources to help them get back on their feet.

[51:10] Are those buckets consistent with what you're reviewing or what's that you're challenging, that belief?

[51:14] I think that there was a stakes recorded in our door for it and they wanted the public to know that they're not all of us at this thing.

[51:26] To them, you know, for many of them, it was to your point there.

[51:28] Or people, what we know at CLC is that Paul must be driving them at first-time moments.

[51:37] At first-time, they were housed into a something happened.

[51:40] That one paycheck or two-day checks away.

[51:44] There is another population that does have substance issues and addiction challenges.

[51:50] But we heard in the voice that consumer will be in dates and in small focus groups, is that they're one of the public and not all of that thing.

[52:03] And then, Charlie Cohen, up on what you said with that specific ministry, where you wanted to figure

[52:07] specifically on men who were using drugs and alcohol, what was the, like, why is that your chance?

[52:12] It was a Christian military minister, and some very successful businessmen in town were

[52:20] remembers of it.

[52:21] It came from churches in a lot of different religions, and I got pulled in, I guess it's

[52:28] the right word, and then they all rotate it all, and I became a chairman and a good

[52:32] buddy if I had to take my place for eight years.

[52:35] We would go, my house manager, the entire sergeant in the army, and we'd go on a third

[52:41] bridge on the cold nights and we'd drag them out, they'd be in there to sleep, they'd

[52:45] freeze to death. And we'd take them in and we would have a bed for them, but we could

[52:49] get them inside where it was warm and given them a lonely sandwich and some soup. And they'd

[52:55] be alright, we didn't have any criteria. And if somebody was out there and didn't have a

[52:59] place to get it, they didn't have to be an alcoholic or a drug addict, we'd burn them in.

[53:04] And sometimes when we had a, you know, like a state, we had first floor of their bed and castle.

[53:11] So the house here became so valuable to the whole state.

[53:14] And now they have beds at bed and castle.

[53:17] They call it the rescue mission to take care now.

[53:21] They started to get some local money, I think.

[53:24] But we didn't have, we didn't have that.

[53:26] I mean, if somebody came up with the door, then they were welcome to come in.

[53:30] And the reason that I left Sean to that when you said it, and I call my attention, is this is a

[53:36] dig spectrum of a problem. And it was a big spectrum of problem we started having meetings back

[53:41] at the beginning of 2024, but in a way, like let's be honest about the fact that it's come to a

[53:46] head specifically because of the the city group of exudendable about what we've been seeing

[53:52] downtown. And so when I think about what we talked about in our last city council meeting and who

[53:58] is that we're seeing downtown. The group that you stated, adult men who may or may not have

[54:04] some sort of addiction and illness issue, that kind of is the group that's brought this

[54:08] to a head which lets us have a follow-up talk about it. So when we're talking about additional

[54:15] face shelters and specifically men's shelters, that helps get that every type of street downtown

[54:22] and potentially connects with the service provider. So I'm curious about that that is one of our

[54:27] one term resources, as I said it, we're looking for a book, yes, sir.

[54:31] And when I say book, yes, I mean, as to what brought up this conversation to

[54:35] ahead, I mean, obviously against the spectrum, but that piece of it is something

[54:38] that I think is missing because we talked about how a lot of our shelters

[54:42] serve families, and serve women, and especially if you're

[54:46] messing around, it's important to this.

[54:48] But if that seems to be the visible group that brought us to ahead,

[54:52] it's time that you brought up that previous ministry.

[54:54] We have the other thing, you know,

[54:57] so, part of your mention that they're the same.

[55:00] The Senate of the People on the Out of County, for good shelter, billed there. Nice facility. We used to discerter,

[55:06] excuse me, like our Street Ministries, some of the others that were beating people on the street. We

[55:11] discerged that. I mean, because it was, it was, they were already here. We were trying to spread them out, I guess.

[55:19] And then in the eighth part, no, it ended up, it was a little bit all over there that had wall there. And a lot of want to stay in the, I mean,

[55:26] like you didn't park in Texas. This is where all the action is. We went out and ate the

[55:31] garden. But when we had Saint James, we looked at their ID and all their all up at address

[55:36] at 810, I think the Satan put it in the market street. So they weren't going to be down here

[55:41] or woman to the residents. That's what they used so they could get mailed and had to have an ID

[55:46] of somebody asking me to show that and they always had the same address on it. They're done

[55:50] where they come from. I know Chief of Agents said a lot of the people that they're dealing with

[55:53] on the street, but out over here, they're coming in here from Ireland, so I mean, this is just

[55:59] work, I mean, this is a destination to be below there coming here to get our services

[56:03] out there coming in the vehicle.

[56:05] And to that point, Charlie, and I want to thank you,

[56:24] I think that we need to, some of those

[56:26] charts on the numbers being overlayed on the population growth and growth in the constant

[56:32] because any of those are two factors that have, you know, really speaks in the fact that we're not getting

[56:40] had on the numbers, the numbers of the population.

[56:44] The fact is we've doubled in population since 1990.

[56:48] So, of course, we're going to have more people.

[56:51] And then the cost of living the cost of rent or mortgage has more than doubled.

[56:57] And so, yeah, that's a goal that we're chasing,

[57:01] that we're probably never going to get to, but it does speak to a reason why some of these numbers

[57:07] continue to come out.

[57:11] But I guess we're looking at the numbers and looking at the services that we are, we are

[57:17] to the service delivery, it was obviously small.

[57:21] And city, if you look at population, there's only one small point, because you're going to

[57:27] go through a very small street.

[57:28] You're going to have to carry out everybody as a woman in the dress, who worked on the MLK

[57:32] on the way to 70th year to 70th year to 70th year to 70th year to 70th year to 80th year,

[57:36] because it's more of a less than 70th year.

[57:37] If you look at that geographic footprint,

[57:40] it's not that much laying on the way to the right.

[57:42] So we're attracting more, I believe,

[57:45] that the system has been overwhelmed by some out of population,

[57:48] so I'm in it.

[57:49] And I think, and this is the opinion from me,

[57:53] based on the services that we're providing in community,

[57:55] is attracting people here.

[57:57] And somebody may say, you can go to the surrounding counties.

[58:00] You may not have that sort of soup, but they happen to move.

[58:04] You may want to go there to try it out.

[58:06] And that ends up bringing more of that, more of that

[58:09] Introduction to the Bushmeans.

[58:12] The citizens are asking us to help us to fix it.

[58:15] At the same time, from the money territory,

[58:18] it seems like everybody's looking at us to say,

[58:21] you, the city, the spongy ground of the area.

[58:24] You both fix it.

[58:25] It's your money.

[58:26] At the same time, we've got both bridges of it.

[58:30] We've got a lot of things on our client here, and we can't do it at all, and we can do what we can do.

[58:36] But we have an issue, and it's something one way to get them.

[58:42] And you've got to have to have partners that come to the table, and they've got to try to help you,

[58:46] or not, and if you don't, and it's going to be what's going to be able to put whatever money we can into it.

[58:52] We have demonstrated that we've put money into this.

[58:55] It's just the issue, is I think we have overwhelmed the system.

[58:58] And that's why I wanted to put Jackson on, because I wanted to see what they had up there.

[59:02] They had about 200,000,000 people up there.

[59:05] On to the county.

[59:06] And Moral Beach is 40 counties, 21,000 people.

[59:10] Cheap in the case of one of his meetings.

[59:14] That we, years ago, had a number of them being bust up here,

[59:17] because the service delivery in that area was not as great.

[59:20] Now, they had a 13 county area.

[59:23] Right.

[59:24] So it's a 13-county area there, one more account, so it's not only your account, it's

[59:29] a dual-channel account, and it's a lot of good account needs there.

[59:32] So if you have services up this way, you can gravitate so that this way for the south,

[59:38] and you can get something more than you're going to get some from the best of what account

[59:42] needs to state, and it's all kind of tricky in here loaded, and somebody just said, well,

[59:49] because of how much of them, you know? I think part of it is yes, but I don't say it's on and so how do you deal with that side of it because it's

[1:00:00] There's going to be people that can ask us for more money for shelters. We've done, I think, I think, right now, between late service, whatever, what we're doing, it's fair, what we put in permanent housing and grant grant service.

[1:00:15] And with the only ones that have done that, we're somebody else coming to it.

[1:00:19] As far as local governments get over months with the only one.

[1:00:22] So were the only ones that have stepped up to even do the death part of it?

[1:00:25] We'd by the way, it was a lot of concern from the makers there about that facility there at Greenfield Lake.

[1:00:36] And it's turned out to be a great place because the services are there to take care of the needs of the people.

[1:00:41] And there's not any kind of shenanigans going on in that particular area.

[1:00:45] And I would say the same is what happened with the spare based on what the truth has been able to do.

[1:00:49] But we're very limited in what we can do.

[1:00:51] How long did it take us to get the spare off of that three years, four years?

[1:00:55] Taking a few years, yeah.

[1:00:56] A few years, so these hundreds are not easy to put together, but you have to put the commitment.

[1:01:01] I mean, the city put up the property and donated whatever they give them.

[1:01:05] 2.01.

[1:01:05] 2.01 million dollars.

[1:01:07] This is not a little money that I'm throwing out there.

[1:01:13] So I think we just overwhelmed it and I've got some new concerns and I did a lot

[1:01:17] along the other day with a couple of police officers that she offered it to everybody

[1:01:23] to go out there and just take a look at what else is happening.

[1:01:26] Not only downtown but in the suburban areas, which is just a dramatic and some of the things

[1:01:31] that we've saw out there, it's pretty, it's pretty dicey and whatever is causing it,

[1:01:38] I think it's because we are the magnet and we have the service that we're here and look,

[1:01:41] I don't have any, no disrespect to any service, but I think it was an all-in-all job and

[1:01:45] one of what we're working sometimes in a shoe-stream budget.

[1:01:50] But it's over the wellness and I don't have specific answer, that's why I want to make sure

[1:01:54] that we can kind of kind of give us the overall view of what we're dealing with the services

[1:02:00] that we have out there, the amount of money that we're spending, and can we spend it

[1:02:04] than much more efficient manner with some of our providers

[1:02:08] that I think are doing really good work.

[1:02:10] It's just like what we do in the valuation

[1:02:12] of all of our service deliveries,

[1:02:14] we try to find better as we can.

[1:02:16] But that had the capacity to deal with a lot of the issues

[1:02:19] that we do, because we have to leverage tax dollars.

[1:02:22] All right, to do it.

[1:02:24] So I'd just say this gives us a pretty good end

[1:02:27] to pretty good point where we are right now.

[1:02:31] This is it.

[1:02:33] You know, come from your colleagues and we didn't invite any of the home this year and that's a good profession.

[1:02:40] But I've known this, we've got a lot of providers here.

[1:02:44] And I'm just curious, is there something that like is between your chest and you say,

[1:02:50] I wish somebody had saved.

[1:02:53] They'd be saved now.

[1:02:55] There's something that we've listened because, you know, you're there.

[1:02:58] You need a trick, you know, guys, and what's going to happen is that we need help, and I was

[1:03:03] understanding that much of the issues that we have are going to be doing that are chronically

[1:03:10] focused, you know, most of the problems, or all of the assumptions.

[1:03:15] But is there something that was just, if you need to say, then, you know, you know, you

[1:03:20] don't work out the room, you go catch a question, put up on that and say it's so and so.

[1:03:24] All right.

[1:03:24] Don't give that to me.

[1:03:26] But yes, I'd like to invite anybody here.

[1:03:29] We'll just come to meeting a two thing in the bar, the healing place,

[1:03:32] to discuss one of the issues we're talking about here.

[1:03:35] That is people from out of the county who are coming here for services.

[1:03:40] And then they drop out, and they end up homeless and willing to.

[1:03:43] All right.

[1:03:44] Thank you.

[1:03:44] Then now's a two thing in the bar, the healing.

[1:03:46] And that's a great point.

[1:03:48] I just wrote down, so I won't forget it.

[1:03:50] Listen to you take somebody, because man, I appreciate you coming up to me.

[1:03:54] all the services. We're helping. So we take him and we get the services. Once he gets

[1:03:59] the services, what happens then? What would we do with him then? What did they do with

[1:04:06] themselves? Then they've got, they've seen the light, you know, they've got some service,

[1:04:10] they maybe get some continuum of some follow-up care, but they're, he's still in the same

[1:04:16] economic situation. He was, but he was out there doing drugs and a lot of what do we do

[1:04:22] because if you're right they're going to get right back if they can't get any follow-up

[1:04:27] hell or some kind of support, what's its point of results or options?

[1:04:33] I think that you mentioned something about, when that person gets this breath, it may be

[1:04:40] it may be that the opportunity that we give that may be the step that helps them get there and it may

[1:04:47] You know, I think I don't want to wish you mention what is the percentage of those who get services and don't come back, he said something like

[1:04:57] Under 5% of the folks who are placed in house

[1:05:07] I'm just wanted to say that I also appreciate the fact that you mentioned it, Charlie, that

[1:05:15] holds people. In the room, I did go out yesterday and I talked to a few people. I don't know, it's a really small sample, and I did let them know that we were meeting today and, you know, what did they want people to know?

[1:05:30] It's a small sample. I only got to talk to three people, but you know, one of the things that speaks to this question of, you know, how do you stay, how is it first of all?

[1:05:40] If you don't have an address, I talked to one young woman, and this is the woman that was featured on WCT on the fifth. I recognized her, and so I wanted to talk to her.

[1:05:49] And she did get housing greatly and became homes again and because of that, she lost her ability to collect her social security disability and so that's part of it, you know, until we until somebody has a permanent address, they have trouble collecting their benefits and being able to maintain it.

[1:06:13] So that's one thing.

[1:06:15] I talked to two other gentlemen who, by the way,

[1:06:20] all three of these people said that they

[1:06:22] became homeless and we've never counted.

[1:06:24] Again, I know it's a small sample.

[1:06:27] I talked to two gentlemen who, and none of these people

[1:06:31] who were up here to be intoxicated.

[1:06:37] And I talked to two gentlemen who said,

[1:06:40] I talked about this meeting, but this is in a great format,

[1:06:43] either for people to just show up, you know, we're not having it on our map.

[1:06:48] So I just told me that we were having it.

[1:06:51] What were the last people to know?

[1:06:53] And they said, you know, we just need a roof over our heads, you know,

[1:06:57] we just need housing.

[1:06:58] And so I'm just passing that along.

[1:07:02] But, and also I appreciate the work that the task force did earlier,

[1:07:07] getting the voices up and homeless into the internet.

[1:07:11] So thank you for that too.

[1:07:15] Just compare.

[1:07:17] Just be honest with what you want to know.

[1:07:19] I mean, I can't agree with it.

[1:07:22] I mean, I can't agree with it.

[1:07:23] I would just want to chime in.

[1:07:25] I just didn't plan the tension here.

[1:07:27] And I think we couldn't.

[1:07:30] We can't engage the title, don't get home through our.

[1:07:34] Based on it, if a person will.

[1:07:37] We, really, absolutely not.

[1:07:39] If they have some sort of a substance abuse, I will all abuse or not, I think what we need to do is create a model and that it is that will help all individuals going forward.

[1:07:54] I think that's the idea. So, you know, we can try to gain the amount of help that's been done in the past 17 years, 15 years, 20 years.

[1:08:04] So we work homelessness, it's kind of like crimes, it's going to be there, but what do we do as the government body and what I think we're going to all the stats that we've provided today by Rachel and her team is that we've been in this business for quite a while and we're deeply able to see.

[1:08:28] in not only, you know, I don't know, but what I'm going to do with it, so how do we bring

[1:08:36] other folks that are able to help us continue doing work to help us improve? I think that's

[1:08:42] a big issue, you know, we can talk about our care and how they perceive to us, but let's

[1:08:51] It's not how we perceive a person to be a mental state, physical state, you know, if they're standing on the corner as a gimmick or whatever, but it's not truly our concern that we're genuinely here to help.

[1:10:00] I think people had already eaten now. What was the, what was the, what was the magic moment that you just said, this is what I will, I'm tired of living in the woods, under one, he got a check and he bought a room, under a generator, so he could have electric blanket when it was cold out there in the woods. And he was, and then he spent eating house doing great.

[1:10:28] And not just the House, there are lots of other avenues, should be, but I think that's a

[1:10:34] fact.

[1:10:34] Nips and adios are good right to the crossing of a matter, so if you could do something today,

[1:10:42] what would it be?

[1:10:43] Let's go to the start from there and then move out.

[1:10:47] That is something that, like I said, the CSC is planning on doing is free having

[1:10:50] more of those conversations.

[1:10:51] So we can provide updates more regularly with some of that.

[1:10:54] And we do a little bit of experience, and then we effectively solicited health and folks

[1:11:00] that receive our services and we've had folks that are in our system of our permits

[1:11:04] for housing and health and life rates actually vouchers so that they can be anywhere to do

[1:11:09] them on folks that when we talk about our PFHCA, one of our current residents and part of that.

[1:11:15] So we do make that a clean effort, and then a lot of what we do with folks that reach out

[1:11:20] is asked if it's a very interesting question.

[1:11:23] We try to be a much more prominent form, but what's brought you today, and what do you think is the most important thing?

[1:11:29] And you make a really good point when folks can't list somewhere for $300 a month, and within,

[1:11:36] they're kind of chasing things because we'd be able to have support.

[1:11:38] One of the things I've heard out there.

[1:11:41] That was an empty.

[1:11:43] One of the things we are anxious about is, are just a familiarity case or income.

[1:11:48] So, two is what we have of somewhere supported in the lobby, there, and then just work on the same to partner in the workforce development, both of several of us.

[1:11:58] But to your point, if you don't have an address, you can take a shower at that point where you don't know where you're going to use the facility to the party to be at a job on time.

[1:12:05] But we're able to be presentable enough to speak that in a minute.

[1:12:09] So, that's a big part of this point.

[1:12:11] We'll be too regular.

[1:12:12] But there are a lot of research, but it also, actually, many of those that have received

[1:12:16] certain that are currently receiving certain telling us what they think that is

[1:12:22] certain.

[1:12:24] Step off.

[1:12:26] Then work with under the asking center for the values of the shape of the school there.

[1:12:33] I know that they are in there helping those families try to find jobs.

[1:12:37] The job skills, prep, try to take some of the jobs that we're out there.

[1:12:44] So they also work, I'm sure we can check for all the other power, power, and stuff,

[1:12:47] and then we'll just kind of work.

[1:12:49] Try to open a blind job.

[1:12:51] Yes, they do.

[1:12:53] Which is a big organization.

[1:12:54] You speak to communities in the public industry.

[1:12:56] I'm sure it's the way the transfer of derivatives.

[1:12:58] Step on them.

[1:12:59] They seem to have a pretty good program in the garden.

[1:13:02] Can they,

[1:13:04] job with the people that need them?

[1:13:06] Absolutely.

[1:13:06] Is that the only one that you know which?

[1:13:10] It's probably the largest.

[1:13:11] That's working in that.

[1:13:12] There's some other resources.

[1:13:15] But that's the largest organization in this area.

[1:13:19] Yeah.

[1:13:20] That's it.

[1:13:21] The other thing that the eight hundred pounds of really

[1:13:23] And the reason is that this is so important.

[1:13:28] But we wouldn't be here.

[1:13:29] But you quoted 127,000 people living in the city.

[1:13:34] I have a big concern about their quality of life as well, and we have these folks out there that are

[1:13:41] wreaking havoc.

[1:13:42] I'm not talking about the homeless people as a whole.

[1:13:45] I'm talking about the big run on the down front street,

[1:13:50] not attacking people, but being

[1:13:54] locally aggressive, leaving horrible masses on the street to people's positions out here

[1:14:03] around the medical community, sleeping up in the alcoves, on the weekend when they're not

[1:14:08] keeping hours and leaving a horrible mess, every Monday morning, we had a great discussion

[1:14:15] in our last council meeting about that.

[1:14:17] This is also something that the times right in, and we've got to address that.

[1:14:22] That's not something we've been that we've brought up the tenure plan for ending homelessness.

[1:14:28] We can't have a tenure plan for ending this.

[1:14:30] this has got, this is something that's got to happen.

[1:14:33] Those tastes with getting our, and of course, the downtown is the magnet, and it's everywhere,

[1:14:39] but we've got to clean up and make these people that are out there applying their trade with

[1:14:45] their business, and they're never going to stop business, first of all, it's a challenge every

[1:14:49] day, and then to have this kind of, these kind of things happening, it's a real handicapped,

[1:14:56] and we are sitting and we have got to.

[1:15:00] Do something quick about that. You can't continue to go on, we heard business, no, we're out of business, no, out of business, no last Tuesday night.

[1:15:09] There are ones in the treacherous, I guess. And I, I would not like to speak, is there a shoes? And we've got to do something about that.

[1:15:18] I set it back on that program because I think it is important I think it's journeying to the larger discussion that we have that I appreciate this discussion

[1:15:26] and I'm willing to have many meetings until we, you know, as you guys wanted to do, I said it last week.

[1:15:32] Yeah, I mean, I'm going to think too ideas and move into adult processes on ways we can make it better how we can, you know, increase services.

[1:15:39] We obviously are waiting for the region, but there have been a lot of ideas about the table today.

[1:15:46] So maybe additional services that we may need.

[1:15:49] But shouldn't we also prioritize the safety and cleanliness of our public spaces.

[1:15:53] They belong to Africa.

[1:15:54] And we need to say very clearly that our public spaces and our sidewalks, our streets,

[1:16:02] start the businesses should be, this should be safe clean places for everybody to go

[1:16:09] with.

[1:16:10] Good to see you once and we can walk and we can shoot them at the same time.

[1:16:14] Can I agree with Councilor Ryder Park, this is something that we can have these meetings

[1:16:19] we can continue to come up with plans, but we need action and we need actually quickly and I hope

[1:16:23] if this September meeting could be so moved to, we take that action and move to the north

[1:16:28] that's where I know we're going to have additional conversation about that now, what's

[1:16:31] that?

[1:16:32] Rachel.

[1:16:46] That's generally the cost of homelessness is about 35,000 dollars a year for a person.

[1:16:51] On the whole system, I'm not necessarily just the city of Wilmington and its services

[1:16:54] the jail, the hospital, all the different services.

[1:16:58] Okay. On a hundred definitions, I'm just curious.

[1:17:02] I think we get a certain amount of funding from five.

[1:17:05] Some of these services.

[1:17:08] What is that definition for capital for community?

[1:17:12] Is there a number?

[1:17:14] It's like what they say for, you mentioned it earlier,

[1:17:20] like one point two percent or something like that.

[1:17:24] That's the, that's just what they're doing at the point of time, they're saying, on average, this is how many people understand that, but they don't have a set number.

[1:17:32] So there's not a, so we're not above the national average.

[1:17:36] All we above the national average, or above the national average, or above the national average.

[1:17:40] That's what that, because there's some sort of the definition of the task, some point to that, which is my own goal, if you don't get the money, or you haven't passed, based on maybe what our population is.

[1:17:52] Is there a number there?

[1:17:54] The disadvantage is that we are seeing the number of folks in the point of time count in New

[1:18:00] Hanover County, more specifically the city of Wilmington.

[1:18:04] But as the COC is a whole is rated off of the whole region, so that's Pender, Brunswick, New

[1:18:09] Hanover, and the city of Wilmington.

[1:18:11] So when you look at this chart, how we compared to the overall average, we're at 12 per

[1:18:16] 10,000, where the national average is 23 per 10,000.

[1:18:20] So we're about below, but when you look more locally at the city of Wilmington, we're about 25.

[1:18:26] So we're about it.

[1:18:26] So we're about the National Library.

[1:18:32] Excuse me.

[1:18:33] Excuse me.

[1:18:33] You were just talking about, and Charlie was talking about earlier that we should be, you know,

[1:18:37] the cost of hospitalization and talking to the people in head,

[1:18:40] he'd be illiterate because one of the reasons the doctor thought was

[1:18:43] found that he'd be illiterate because of the number of people that he was seeing that we're using

[1:18:47] their emergency for him as their shelter, but even if he was to get out of the coal,

[1:18:52] you know, they would come in with their albums because they had their face to sleep and, you

[1:18:57] know, I did tour even village when there was a woman that just happened to be getting her

[1:19:01] home that day.

[1:19:03] And so, you know, and hearing her story, she came here to move on to an area that her mother was

[1:19:09] here and her mother was elderly and needed her assistance.

[1:19:13] So she quit her job, wherever she was from, of course, came here to take care of her mother.

[1:19:17] They were living on her mother's social security, when her mother eventually passed, she had no money coming in because she didn't have a job, she wasn't old enough for social security herself, she didn't have a job, she lost her home in addition to losing her mother and she began living in her car.

[1:19:34] Because of that, she started having terrible back problems and started showing up at the ER when she couldn't drive anymore because her back problems were so bad.

[1:19:42] So, yeah, at $35,000 a year, we are spending on hospitals and jails because this person couldn't

[1:19:51] loss her home through no fall at all. So, you know, there is that situation, so I appreciate it.

[1:20:00] The groups of people are at two other railing centers, they'll be from any of the trends that pushes them to the comments.

[1:20:05] Is anybody else really good like to say?

[1:20:09] Does anybody have to do it?

[1:20:16] Is there a way far about doing this now and that this is that should decide for how those different groups of people that are homeless?

[1:20:23] Because we know that they're homes are different places.

[1:20:27] Some ask that because of the ones that said on the side of the website, they know that next month of dollars, they didn't have that much to say.

[1:20:36] And they have nothing to make to encourage them to do anything different.

[1:20:41] Because I'm just going to ask that.

[1:20:44] I got it. I'm going back.

[1:20:47] I'll be recited in Apple, so people might have to buy and copy the one that you

[1:20:52] cut it out on the one that, for whatever reason, that they live in that car, or the one

[1:20:57] that doesn't have a problem with our substance abuse, or whatever, that's how we divide

[1:21:02] into those groups of other types of people out, that's where their own is the different reasons.

[1:21:08] Yes, that's part of what happens with some of the HMIS, that's why that data information

[1:21:13] and it's not important to be able to really see the different causes and reason that how

[1:21:17] we can have the solutions our retirement.

[1:21:20] Okay, because that's what I was saying, so if you did that, then then you could come up with

[1:21:23] solution for like that person, or person that's just not that because A is just easy for me to

[1:21:30] get out of this one. That person, if you can decide about who that person is, then what else can

[1:21:37] we do to help you, so you don't have to do that.

[1:21:41] Good morning.

[1:21:43] There.

[1:21:44] This gentleman is another room.

[1:21:46] What a debate conference.

[1:21:47] Thank you.

[1:21:52] I'm Tony Perez.

[1:21:53] I'm living hope base center when the one at time.

[1:21:56] My wife and I'm in the shelter downtown.

[1:21:59] It's just a day center.

[1:22:02] A couple of things.

[1:22:03] I guess can I say first and foremost.

[1:22:05] There's about 20 people next to the room.

[1:22:07] It's kind of like another room.

[1:22:10] Perhaps we could consider that whenever this conversation is going to come up, we need to have

[1:22:14] plan for a more space so that we could all be in the same room.

[1:22:18] I can ask that, that makes sense.

[1:22:24] I speak with 80, 90 people come through my day shelter on average, so I ask you once every

[1:22:30] day that we're open.

[1:22:33] I keep hearing this continual thing that they're being bused in, they're coming through somewhere else.

[1:22:39] First hand experience of dealing with unless not the case, most of them are very

[1:22:44] awful.

[1:22:45] In fact, I think the number is stated that 80% of people have a local address with

[1:22:52] all their respect.

[1:22:53] It feels like you asked for that question.

[1:22:55] You've got the answer just doesn't fit the narrative so that we keep saying they're being

[1:23:00] And I would tell you, and it don't leave from first-hand experience, I don't see that happening.

[1:23:07] And then the other thing I guess I'd like to say is, and this may surprise you.

[1:23:16] As a serial entrepreneur myself, I certainly do understand the difficulties that the downtown district faces with the homeless population.

[1:23:28] And I'm very sympathetic to that.

[1:23:30] If I were running a business, I wouldn't want to come to work every day to a mess.

[1:23:35] I mean, I do.

[1:23:36] It's what I do.

[1:23:38] But I gladly pick it up and I go about to do my business.

[1:23:41] But that's the business I'm in, so I understand that.

[1:23:46] I would propose that rather than creating new regulations, let's look at what already exists.

[1:23:52] And if it really is just a handful of folks that are creating the issues, let's still

[1:23:56] a handful of folks, but it's not through the baby out with a basketball.

[1:24:04] I'd be glad if there were any questions I wasn't expecting this.

[1:24:06] I didn't think we were going to be able to make comments.

[1:24:09] I wasn't really well prepared for that.

[1:24:11] But if there's that one burning question that you'd like to ask,

[1:24:14] and somebody who's in the trenches every day,

[1:24:16] I'd be willing to figure out some questions.

[1:24:18] I'd like to ask of the 80, 90 that you see.

[1:24:22] How are they consistent?

[1:24:25] I'm going to say the same 80, 90.

[1:24:26] So, much like the issues with the downtown, there's a small percentage that is pretty consistent.

[1:24:34] Of that group of people I've seen on an average day, most of them I don't recognize that I haven't seen them very many times.

[1:24:41] Several of them, a small percentage of handful of them, are what's being referred to as a chronicly healthness, yes.

[1:24:49] But the majority of them are not.

[1:24:50] They're transient that come in, that you resolve, whether they serve resolve through our case manager, whatever.

[1:25:00] What do you care to? Whatever it is, it's the issue for the day and then move on.

[1:25:06] What is living, how took a person comes into your facility? What do you do for?

[1:25:13] Living hope is a faith-based, first of all. Our first objective is to be a hospitality group that

[1:25:21] lock them to people and gives them the safe place to be out the street for a while.

[1:25:26] We've done a case manager that works part-time and we try to connect people to services with.

[1:25:33] But for the most part, you can hear access.

[1:25:35] We actually have a little section where they can do art for folks who are so inclined.

[1:25:41] You guys can sit around and do whatever you want at home, so can I.

[1:25:46] But if you don't have a place to relax and get your mind settled,

[1:25:50] And then addressing the bigger issues in life for our personal and possible.

[1:25:55] So that's our objective.

[1:25:56] It's just trying to get a place of rest and help them.

[1:26:00] So it is like a day serr.

[1:26:02] It's absolutely a day serr.

[1:26:03] Okay, I mean there's not shower facilities or food or stuff like that.

[1:26:07] So we provide meals every day.

[1:26:11] We partner with some other folks to provide.

[1:26:14] We don't have shower facility,

[1:26:17] but we're working towards laundry facility stuff like that.

[1:26:19] And when you mentioned work transient, all the way,

[1:26:22] what do you mean by that just people just coming

[1:26:24] word of mouth coming to you?

[1:26:26] Right.

[1:26:27] My phone rings constantly because it's the phone number

[1:26:30] on a bill.

[1:26:32] And the normal question is always, I need a place to stay tonight.

[1:26:36] But when I say transient, I guess what I'm not saying

[1:26:39] to be clear is that they're being bused in from someone else

[1:26:41] and say, hey, I just got here from her beach.

[1:26:44] Or I just got here from Raleigh or wherever.

[1:26:47] Can you help me?

[1:26:48] What I mean by that is they're global people who come in

[1:26:53] Because of whatever scenario that put them in a difficult position

[1:26:56] They work towards resolving that issue and then they move on

[1:27:02] There's there's a point of contact like there for

[1:27:05] Remember people who I've talked over thought of for there. It's where my staff has sent an email that everyone if you invite you to come

[1:27:10] But I see you

[1:27:12] Okay, but you have a case man, yes

[1:27:17] Who who sponsored the case man

[1:27:20] are they from social service or that is about that is a that is a paid staff position

[1:27:26] that we have budgeted in our line item are number one funding is from the end-down

[1:27:32] but we also have other like-minded people who believe in the mission what we try to do and they just

[1:27:39] have fun what we do is a case manager don't we later have time yes right now that's that's where

[1:27:48] We have a part-time caterer that's open about half the time that we're physically up.

[1:27:55] Then we go to the fun back of funding.

[1:27:59] It's a challenge in question.

[1:28:00] I believe like a raise the position of the funding for a full-time position.

[1:28:05] The right person that I have is available part-time.

[1:28:09] I could probably hire somebody else, but I have a really good case in it here.

[1:28:14] And we're working on having to get more time from her.

[1:28:17] That's quite a lot of time.

[1:28:18] That was what the results, when you work in case man, family statistics and saying, we work with eight guys, seven of them did something wrong.

[1:28:31] So, I should clarify that our level of case man is probably a little different than what perhaps you might be thinking.

[1:28:40] Because we're not housing experts, we're just hospitality people.

[1:28:43] So, our objective isn't sunlight. I mean, only the objective is to get in a house, but we're really more concerned about can we get them in contact with family? Can we get them to the medical appointments? Can we do different sorts of things like that?

[1:28:57] It was basic stuff that when you're so overwhelmed

[1:29:02] it becomes really hard to do what you're hoping.

[1:29:06] I want to appreciate you being here.

[1:29:07] I appreciate the ministry that you have to do.

[1:29:09] I think it's very important.

[1:29:13] I appreciate all these folks doing.

[1:29:15] I know it's a difficult work.

[1:29:17] You said that your phone rings cost them a lot of folks

[1:29:20] who are looking for where they're going to stay

[1:29:22] to see the next place to stay tonight.

[1:29:23] That's not some of that you guys are able to hold.

[1:29:26] We are just fixing a day shelter.

[1:29:28] we are not, I know we're not to so let's think and I believe Dr. Dalton had brought forward

[1:29:34] a short-term emergency shelter option of 60s-90 beds, who wasn't done. We were working on that,

[1:29:40] but again we were looking for a location. I was, I was a huge supporter of that because it's a massive

[1:29:45] need that we need in this community, but I believe and I can go back and look at minutes that the

[1:29:50] majority of Council didn't want to do it because it didn't subscribe to the housing first, it didn't

[1:29:54] I'm the council.

[1:29:55] What's in for that?

[1:29:56] We're all over.

[1:29:57] We're all over.

[1:30:00] I thought a lot of accusations are going to be over the last week, and I have to see a lot of it, and so I apologize for a little bit more boisterous than usual.

[1:30:15] Walk us through the process, there, why, why would not it have a broad forward council?

[1:30:19] I need to go back and check. I know there were reports provided to council, the council could take any form, that way we submitted reports.

[1:30:26] The big part of it was, if you recall, Dr. Dalton, I'm going to skip some context if everybody's here.

[1:30:32] What I'm recalling is his proposal to use to call the complex for a location set up chance.

[1:30:42] About 80 to 90 shifts, a couple of issues occurring on that problem.

[1:30:47] The first and foremost, it's used as the police evidence compound violence

[1:30:52] that we had, we gave it to the building, and he was behind the fire department

[1:30:57] and the other part of it was, it was, he had some concerns about

[1:31:03] what we talked about, big part of it was the plug-in zoning.

[1:31:09] And also, at night, not having 70, 80 people, once the facility closed in the morning,

[1:31:14] just dropping out on 16 to 17th Street that numbers seem to be pretty large and then there was a

[1:31:22] anticipation of its need. In fact, that facility has been used right now to house our urban forest

[1:31:27] region and they have their equipment and staff over there. But it's not that we couldn't make it happen.

[1:31:34] It seemed to be that that location given and this information was submitted as I were

[1:31:38] all and writing what it analysis and everything else.

[1:31:41] That location also had a higher concentration

[1:31:45] of street traffic already.

[1:31:48] As well as we had low income housing and whatnot,

[1:31:52] we felt like having that much more concentration

[1:31:54] dropping out into that area would probably be a distance.

[1:31:59] I was just asking, is that ever brought to the council?

[1:32:03] I believe it was submitted as a written report.

[1:32:05] I believe it was a written report.

[1:32:06] I believe it was a written report.

[1:32:06] It wasn't that kind of thing, I couldn't do this.

[1:32:10] I couldn't double check.

[1:32:11] It's been two and a half years ago.

[1:32:14] It's been two and a half years ago.

[1:32:16] Maybe three.

[1:32:17] The location was bad with concepts.

[1:32:20] And what problem should have happened?

[1:32:22] I think I'm sure I was still using anybody.

[1:32:25] It's not pushing it.

[1:32:26] If that location doesn't water down, I'll just find one of the doors.

[1:32:32] Same time.

[1:32:33] Yes,

[1:32:36] ma'am.

[1:32:36] I also want to say that at the same time we were looking at a different

[1:32:40] type of shelter. I know some of her join her top of the region's borough with the

[1:32:47] Schiller to look at their temporary shelters if they put up their pod concept, which I believe

[1:32:55] was palatones, and that there's a problem with both those and the godpots that were being

[1:33:03] Those five, by Mr. Dr. Donald, that if it had to do with the commissioner, insurance that we couldn't leave them up for a certain period of time because they didn't make building code.

[1:33:16] So there were some technical issues. Why that never came back to Council that we need to work through before we can come up with a tiny kind of concept.

[1:33:29] That was my recommendation as well.

[1:33:34] Well, Tony, did you finish?

[1:33:37] Thank you.

[1:33:37] I have David.

[1:33:39] Thank you very much for allowing me to state just for a couple minutes.

[1:33:44] My name is Hillary Faubin.

[1:33:46] I'm a psychologist.

[1:33:47] I'm the clinical director of Physician Alliance Mental Health.

[1:33:50] Here in London.

[1:33:51] And we specialize in treatment effects with primary psychotic disorders.

[1:33:55] And so that is being whisked up.

[1:33:57] He's a effective disorder about voter psychotic features, those folks that you regularly see in the emergency department, but that she's seen in the state hospitals

[1:34:05] The folks who significantly struggle with maintaining any type of stability in their lives including health

[1:34:11] We have three large teams all of which go into the community to talk about psychiatric care. Our doctors, our nurses, our social workers, our therapist, our employment specials

[1:34:22] housing specialists, peer-sports specialists, all go into the community, make these individuals

[1:34:26] where they are.

[1:34:27] We make them downtown, we make them in their homes, if they have them, we'll meet them.

[1:34:31] In strict corners, anywhere that we may need to, and each one of those teams have housing

[1:34:37] specialists full-time dedicated.

[1:34:38] It's not required by the state, because we provide home Medicaid services.

[1:34:43] It's not required by the state, but it's mandatory that we have them for our folks to have

[1:34:47] stability.

[1:34:47] Some of the greatest issues that we see in helping those folks with those types of sorts of maintain that housing is the fact that they are also victimized in this process, we are part of a group.

[1:35:00] Overcome the barrier of taking these vulnerable individuals, who are also perpetrators of climate

[1:35:05] time. I would never say that they are not. But having those votes be in-hums with subsidies,

[1:35:13] with tendency supports, and then having people come in and victimize them themselves. And so,

[1:35:18] we are regularly having our individuals finally get into housing, work start working on a lot,

[1:35:25] possibly not using substances,

[1:35:27] possibly start looking for a job,

[1:35:28] and then people, they're groups of individuals

[1:35:32] in the town that identify these folks,

[1:35:34] come into their homes, use them to sell drugs,

[1:35:36] use them to run guns,

[1:35:38] and then ultimately our clients leave

[1:35:39] because they don't just save.

[1:35:41] And so it is a small portion of what you guys are talking about,

[1:35:45] but it's also a very significant portion

[1:35:46] because we are constantly having to re-house.

[1:35:50] In substandard housing,

[1:35:51] But how is just because there's prompting for training on them as well?

[1:35:57] And so what I don't want to do is come in and say let me make it more complicated.

[1:36:01] But if we're talking about some of those really sick individuals in this town,

[1:36:05] the folks that we don't want to have to be a downtown on the sidewalks that we want them to be sheltered,

[1:36:10] we as providers also need assistance in overcoming those barriers.

[1:36:15] We're working with a small break within the NDT with APS, some of the head APS, through DSS

[1:36:22] with multiple other entities, but it's something we can significantly use your help in

[1:36:27] and help in taking a small portion of these folks and help keep them in safe capacity.

[1:36:35] I would probably say of, I've been doing this for 16 years and in the past five years

[1:36:44] We have probably had, I'm going to guess, on both of my teams that served at 120 clients,

[1:36:49] we probably had 30 people on each team, so 60 people total, have to believe their house

[1:36:56] whether they were scared or whether they were forced out or whether they were addicted because

[1:37:00] of the perpetrators that came in and go back out in the street, go to get a shepherd, go to a healing

[1:37:05] place, stay in the street, and some of the events you guys are talking about are not on the

[1:37:12] I can't tell you who they are, but I know that they're mine.

[1:37:14] I'm going to get more out of the street by now.

[1:37:17] I think the last total on-house we had was 80% on each team, 100 clients, 16, probably,

[1:37:28] probably 20, 20, 20 got folks that are on-house, if I'm going.

[1:37:33] And we tend not to have as many people on-house and then are in runs like it's a DMA ever.

[1:37:37] I would say probably 70% of our services are provided in the neighborhood.

[1:37:40] So those are all the availability of housing is a huge problem.

[1:37:45] It's a catastrophic problem.

[1:37:47] It's not just a huge catastrophic.

[1:37:49] So if there isn't, and you guys are called,

[1:37:56] I've heard it, you know, that's all help.

[1:38:02] There's full.

[1:38:03] Oh, right.

[1:38:05] Sherry Hill is going to Sherry Hill.

[1:38:08] And take your time to get somebody there.

[1:38:12] Yes.

[1:38:13] What other place could you take them if they're having an episode?

[1:38:18] Well, well, it was a great experience.

[1:38:22] That was a great experience.

[1:38:25] I tried calling the other day the ones dead.

[1:38:29] Is there anything in broadway?

[1:38:32] So what happens is our folks, anybody with psychiatric condition that needs to be inpatient needs to be committed

[1:38:39] for a involuntary commitment or if they go involuntarily.

[1:38:43] We're going to be emergency room and at that point in the emergency room.

[1:38:45] There's a team of individuals, if it's determined, they need to go inpatient.

[1:38:49] They send out to all of the state, they get to know about how you'll open your good checkered light,

[1:38:53] in the South Carolina.

[1:38:57] If they are in the ED, and there are risks themselves or others, and

[1:39:02] they can't unaveting where in the state, after 72 hours if they're back to their baseline,

[1:39:07] which is not well, it's just stable enough to where they're not posing a risk in themselves

[1:39:12] or others. Then they'll be released back on the street. There's plans that call us, we go get

[1:39:16] our folks. We don't have anywhere to take them during the day, we'll let them come hang

[1:39:20] our office with that coffee and television, that sort of thing. But at night, there's no

[1:39:25] way for us to be able to take them. So we drop them when we think it's the safest place.

[1:39:30] We say that's right back around in the morning. We've even tried to have our individuals

[1:39:37] from, um, family and people to proceed if they're arrested for a family. Um, we have a lot of people

[1:39:41] found a cake for a proceed. And they said, well, they'll either sit in jail for a year before they

[1:39:47] to carry for capacity bed, or they will just drop the charges because they don't need to be in the jail.

[1:39:51] I've gone back to the safety being in the jail myself to a bad way of all nations.

[1:40:00] And they repeatedly say these people don't need to be here. And that's held in my grave. This is access to a criminalization in LAL. We also don't have any work in it. And so I've even gone in to make recommendations. And we've been having such a long time. The client that we have in there is that the charges are dropped in their back will surely. And so we have really close relationship meeting and also. And they will be having folks in this quickly possible.

[1:40:27] even local anybody other than charity can't keep people very long.

[1:40:32] And so that that stabilization period is challenging.

[1:40:36] And then when they get out a lot of the times,

[1:40:38] if I don't have anywhere to go, it's still a feeling of place.

[1:40:41] It's a bit of a healing place.

[1:40:42] And then we have to go back and try to find it and pick them like that.

[1:40:46] It is really most of from our perspective.

[1:40:50] It's many, many systems that make out the long here.

[1:40:53] And we're just trying to find a place to help them along.

[1:40:56] There's a lot of things that have gone into this.

[1:40:58] I think the Department of Justice said that North Carolina is in with the United States federal government.

[1:41:03] It's also contributing because it's taken away some of this intermediate levels of care.

[1:41:07] I think it's much greater conversation.

[1:41:09] But I think that we are seeing some increase because of a lot of different ones.

[1:41:13] I had to hurt that particular piece of product.

[1:41:16] And so I'm going to make sure that part is heard as well.

[1:41:19] If you can set your finger and solve the problem that they will be the first thing.

[1:41:24] And

[1:41:29] with hesitancy yes, that I would say we need to be a combination of housing and greater access to

[1:41:39] Stabilization in care and in residential or supervised studies so that there's the opportunity to help for stabilization for my

[1:41:47] For my folks that's not being it's for everybody, but my job is my folks

[1:41:52] and the people that you're dealing with, man, they employ it all, I mean, they're spreading it.

[1:41:57] Every individual is employable. We have, we actually follow a model called the individual placement

[1:42:03] of sports model. It's designed for people with severe and persistent mental illness that is,

[1:42:07] it's supported and implemented for the problem, for that particular population. We have a large team

[1:42:13] dedicated to that and then other specialists within. Every one of our folks can work and work

[1:42:17] as a huge part of their recovery. It takes time. Sometimes we start with two hours

[1:42:22] week we have benefits counselors to make sure they don't lose their Medicaid to make sure they

[1:42:26] don't lose their there's a security disability benefits but every one of them can work.

[1:42:32] It's a matter of finding that good fit for them not even if it's a good fit gone.

[1:42:36] They need stability and it's really hard to find stability in a world where I'm

[1:42:41] the psychologist and sometimes it's hard for me to find lots of people.

[1:42:44] So you connect it with the sitting thing, yes, partner, anything?

[1:42:49] We are not formally connected in any way.

[1:42:53] We show up everywhere we possibly can to try to advocate for our folks.

[1:42:58] Why have been invited to sitting meetings as an act provider to try to say,

[1:43:02] what do we need to do to be able to help increase the access?

[1:43:06] The answer is going to be the same thing that everybody hears through is funding.

[1:43:09] And Medicaid last week just got another 3% cut across the board.

[1:43:12] And so we are trying to have really quality individuals that are educated and that are dedicated to this population work in a world where it's made, we really, we don't accept any property insurance, we are completely making Medicare and I'm sure.

[1:43:30] And so, keeping those sides, we're trying people really really well, but keeping them is the challenging part because they need to live a successful life too.

[1:43:40] So, you know, having all of those those have an increasing the ability to be able to cover the cost of what it takes for about the care that we need to do because these folks also deserve to live in the community.

[1:43:54] But they deserve to live in the community and cohesion with everybody else.

[1:44:02] Any other questions?

[1:44:03] I'd like to ask a question.

[1:44:04] I mean, it's specialized that you need to be talking about housing.

[1:44:08] So, if you talk about housing from a housing perspective,

[1:44:13] And if I can take just the remote out of the house folks I've got right now in our care, we

[1:44:19] just our agency alone could probably use 20 to 30.

[1:44:24] If we're talking about long term, the stabilization desk, chairing needs open up.

[1:44:31] They don't have the funding for it.

[1:44:33] It's not a chair saying no.

[1:44:35] It's a very significant status to it not having enough.

[1:44:39] They have events. They don't have a staff. It is the last report that I heard.

[1:44:44] So from the stabilization bed,

[1:44:48] if that's probably a question, I don't know if I can

[1:44:50] intelligently answer, but from a housing bed just today.

[1:44:54] Now, if then you big fan that's out of my folks that are in unsafe housing bed.

[1:45:00] Today that they are elderly or they are physically disabled as well and having to climb up, rotten steps to be able to get to their farm, and I probably need it another 30 to 40.

[1:45:13] Would you have a conversation with two final, about what the county was?

[1:45:17] Was that had a conversation with two final groups?

[1:45:19] No, not that I'm aware.

[1:45:22] Okay, I'll try to wake you up.

[1:45:23] Thank you very much.

[1:45:25] Any other questions?

[1:45:27] Thank you for hearing me.

[1:45:29] Thank you.

[1:45:30] You're welcome.

[1:45:32] The truth is you give us about big dollars.

[1:45:39] Taking in consideration, looking down this way.

[1:45:45] I have the direct number for adjustments services.

[1:45:48] I just want to try it.

[1:45:50] I'm trying to get to it.

[1:45:51] Based on what the fellow government is getting.

[1:45:54] And I would be paying for the fellow government.

[1:45:56] What we're paying for, what we're paying for,

[1:46:02] that's not the case.

[1:46:03] You're a spectrum.

[1:46:05] So it's a little more responsible.

[1:46:08] And then what we're putting in and what the endowment is,

[1:46:12] but just to kind of get an overall snapshot,

[1:46:15] not just about the cities.

[1:46:17] But what's collectively being put into this,

[1:46:22] I would like to see.

[1:46:23] Because I think the number is larger.

[1:46:26] And we get to be thrown up.

[1:46:27] We've put a lot of money into it,

[1:46:29] but I just like to be the number is,

[1:46:31] I think it's larger, and if there's a way even for the private groups like Dr. Dolphins

[1:46:37] with Eden Billet and I've seen many countries carrying many type of fusion.

[1:46:41] A lot of that morning was raised by the leaf to be able to do that.

[1:46:45] Just to light the leaf we could get a snapshot of that, because I think the number is larger

[1:46:49] than that.

[1:46:52] And, um, there's we all that also have other players in this arena where there was a talking

[1:46:56] I'm not right now, this is not from the worst path.

[1:46:59] But if you can't get an idea of what we're looking at,

[1:47:03] I wouldn't have the idea if you can take it.

[1:47:06] It all heart, and that's the same thing.

[1:47:07] You don't have to be right on point.

[1:47:08] It's close to it.

[1:47:10] I think it gives you a better understanding of what we're going to do.

[1:47:12] I want to ask you to put this into this.

[1:47:19] Do you have one of the problems that we have with this old thing?

[1:47:23] It's so easy to dislike these people.

[1:47:26] It's so easy to.

[1:47:28] Because you're seeing them out there, you're just, you know, who you are working and the things that some of them, some of the results of some of the big camps and all that, it's so easy to dislike these people.

[1:47:40] And that's so wrong.

[1:47:43] You know, you have to look, you have to look past that inside your own self.

[1:47:47] You're imagine your own self being switching places.

[1:47:52] I mean, that's something I struggle with, but when I hear, you know,

[1:47:56] But if you get down to it, you just feel somebody else won.

[1:48:04] This is who we are.

[1:48:05] He's all good.

[1:48:06] Hey buddy.

[1:48:06] Most of the time.

[1:48:07] Yeah.

[1:48:08] Please do.

[1:48:09] Mr. Mayor members of Council on Council.

[1:48:11] I'm going to take a picture.

[1:48:12] I keep her council governments.

[1:48:14] I just want to, I think, to the state from the next room.

[1:48:17] And I just want to just say one thing that I think is important to help

[1:48:21] frame sort of the question.

[1:48:24] I think the problem of homelessness as large as a problem.

[1:48:26] a game of musical chairs, right, and so there aren't enough chairs, and when people don't

[1:48:33] have a place to sit, they're on the street, and people need a place to be. Everyone has

[1:48:39] to be somewhere.

[1:48:42] So they do the chairs, perhaps, as the shelter capacity. And Rachel, I think

[1:48:48] you sort of glossed over a little bit in your slide, but there's a slide about the shelter

[1:48:51] beds and the shelter capacity. And what was there five or so in the capacity? So shelters

[1:49:00] are an important part of the solution, I think, because people get a place to go. We've

[1:49:04] got day shelters, which put people back on the streets at night. We've got that overnight shelters

[1:49:08] and then maybe folks need a place to be during the day. But shelters are temporary. They're

[1:49:12] always intended to be a temporary solution. So we need shelter. We need a place for people

[1:49:17] go what we really need is a housing in public right because we need people to get out of the

[1:49:23] chair and make room for the next guy because as we've learned from some of these statistics

[1:49:30] that we've seen the first time on those numbers are much higher than the folks were able to

[1:49:36] exit so there's always more and more people than each chair but what we you know and so we

[1:49:42] do need more chairs but what we really need is a place for people to get out of the chair

[1:49:46] And the other thing that is important,

[1:49:49] to think about how we're thinking about this issue,

[1:49:53] substance abuse, I'm sure it's the biggest issue.

[1:50:01] We're not talking about people with mental health issues, we're not in the street. The common denominator is these folks have nowhere to be.

[1:50:12] And I think, you know, to the discussion about the ordinance, which I know is how what we're talking about, some of you think about is, if there is no way to be. The shelter has no capacity. If there is no housing, then where? Where do we put these people? And if there's no way to put them, then perhaps we have to be comfortable with the fact that there's no way to put them.

[1:50:30] There is going to be almost on the street, but if not on the public property, then we first

[1:50:37] to follow on to private property owners, people must occupy space.

[1:50:43] This is a very difficult and foreign problem, there is no question.

[1:50:47] But I think we have to recognize that we heard from the prior person who spoke to you,

[1:50:54] another word that he's speaking of, and we have to accept that, and we can't blame the person

[1:50:59] that there's not a chair, and I think if we think about the question of these little chairs again,

[1:51:04] you know, there's an affordable housing game that we're playing, and folks who have

[1:51:10] the least income, but the most of the most challenges are always going to be the most supposed

[1:51:17] to get to the chair. They're always going to be the most challenged in this housing question.

[1:51:22] I have no answers to you, but I think that some of these points that I'm making are

[1:51:27] maybe help over how to figure out all the problems.

[1:51:38] I'm going

[1:51:42] to

[1:51:51] go through a very, very little bit.

[1:52:01] Back in section I was going to have to do another row column quick.

[1:52:05] I'll make a picture of the year.

[1:52:07] Yes.

[1:52:07] That's where I'm going to back here.

[1:52:08] Yes, that's where I'm going to spares you here.

[1:52:10] That's where the spares.

[1:52:15] That's where the spares.

[1:52:17] You'll get your attention.

[1:52:18] Casper, what the hell?

[1:52:20] That's where I do it.

[1:52:21] Here.

[1:52:21] That's where the join is.

[1:52:23] Here, cheers here.

[1:52:24] Here, the counter for.

[1:52:28] Thank you, Ms. Mayer. And then, Ms. Council, as a follow-up to some of the discussion

[1:52:34] at your last meeting, our city attorney, her report, and interim reports to each other,

[1:52:40] so I just joined information and to try to clarify the proposed came important to us, as

[1:52:49] that compares to some of our existing ordinances

[1:52:51] and some of the, for some of the,

[1:52:55] for some of the other challenges with the interpretation

[1:52:58] of the existing ordinances as a applies to real

[1:53:01] and situations, which is what the officers

[1:53:05] who would be asked to enforce whether it's existing ordinances

[1:53:07] or any new ordinances,

[1:53:09] what they would have to encounter on the street.

[1:53:12] So turn it over to them.

[1:53:14] So leave this discussion.

[1:53:14] I think you want to, as I said, this is more of just the inspirational session as a

[1:53:24] Paula, the previous couple of pages here, so I'm going to repeat that.

[1:53:28] I think a lot of the questions that Chief and I got last time were about how does this

[1:53:33] differ from what we already have, and so I thought it would be helpful to put together

[1:53:42] And I know there's a lot on this part that she got to take it out as well, and I get some of the charts separately to go on after Amy likes to take a course.

[1:53:51] If you look at it, that's an outline previously that I had some observations to it to make sure we were very happy to have those things.

[1:54:00] and say, this is the result.

[1:54:02] First, I'm not going through all of things.

[1:54:05] But I just showed you a lot of ability to include situations

[1:54:08] and see what would be covered, what would not be covered.

[1:54:12] Currently, to stand under which to see good values and say,

[1:54:16] currently, I have literally not been covered.

[1:54:19] So, if you want to take a look at that,

[1:54:21] I'm not going to take a look at that.

[1:54:22] Let's be having a question right now.

[1:54:24] I'll be glad to answer that.

[1:54:43] And the next two slides and the things that are available in your handout,

[1:54:50] these pictures are not Wilmington.

[1:54:52] I recently did not, they're not Wilmington pictures.

[1:54:54] Thank you.

[1:55:00] We're talking about a lot of different questions from several of you about what would this situation look like, what would this situation look like?

[1:55:14] These are mostly for your information that we can go through them really quickly.

[1:55:17] question please let me know let's chief note that enforcement questions about how that would work but

[1:55:24] the first picture would be if there were actual tents for camping all in city sidewalk substrates

[1:55:32] during the day would be the first situation we would look at that would not be allowed under our current

[1:55:40] ordinances and there are multiple ones that could be applied depending on what the situation is

[1:55:45] Obviously, if there's no one there, there's a lady present in this picture, if these tents were unoccupied, then that would be unattended property that could be used for littering.

[1:55:58] But we do have an ordinance for no tents on city streets or property, and we also have obstructing a street or sidewalk. And so those would be the current ordinances that police officers could look at.

[1:56:11] if they wanted to cover this situation now, under the proposed ordinance section B of that ordinance

[1:56:18] talks about unattended personal effects not allowed, but it actually does not address this

[1:56:22] is one thing I wanted to point out. It does not address camping on city property during the

[1:56:27] day. If you'll recall section A, it's for 10 PM to 7 AM. So this would actually not be prevented by

[1:56:37] that particular ordinance during the daytime.

[1:56:39] It would be prevented at nighttime under the current ordinance.

[1:56:44] So I feel like that kind of was a little bit confusing

[1:56:47] in the last presentation.

[1:56:49] So I wanted to make that clear.

[1:56:51] Now, one big part is if you have to clean up a lot of times

[1:56:55] in can'tments don't just happen on a daily basis.

[1:56:59] They build up over time.

[1:57:01] And so having to remove things overnight

[1:57:04] would the thought would be that it would make it

[1:57:06] so that these things wouldn't develop again every single day.

[1:57:11] So that's how that proposed section of the ordinance within address that.

[1:57:15] You have to take down any tense and get rid of all your possessions, almost every night.

[1:57:20] So encampments like the one that are shown here wouldn't be allowed unless somebody was

[1:57:26] coming in in mass and setting them up every single day.

[1:57:33] Next slide.

[1:57:34] It appears to be a parking lot, we've got a park park there right now, camping on city surface parking lots, either during the day or night.

[1:57:45] I say allowed there's nothing in city code right now that would prevent the scene that you're seeing here from somebody being in the median or in an area of the parking lot during the day or night under the proposed ordinance.

[1:57:59] this would not be allowed, it would, it would be allowed on most city property during the

[1:58:05] day, but not on city surface loss. Section C would prevent that from happening on city surface

[1:58:11] parking lots. But otherwise during the day, it would be allowed on much of their city property.

[1:58:19] Next slide, please.

[1:58:23] The next picture that you've got with cover, camping, sleeping or laying

[1:58:28] in city parking desks during the day or night currently that's not allowed because we do

[1:58:33] have an ordinance although we don't have one that addresses city service lots we've got one that

[1:58:37] does address parking desks such as 6-8 condo in certain in parking desks that would prevent

[1:58:45] can't be sleeping or delaying in the city parking debt because you're which is also a safety issue

[1:58:52] don't don't have to have people in the right way of vehicles that are maneuvering through the parking lot.

[1:59:00] Under the proposed ordinance, it would not be allowed in city parking desks, section C, but can't be again, would be allowed on most other city property during the day, but not if that happens.

[1:59:16] Next slide, if this were a city bench, then monopolizing or sleeping with city benches or

[1:59:23] seating areas during the day. Currently that's not allowed without specific ordinance

[1:59:28] for obstructing city seating areas 11 to 13. That is, this situation is not addressed in

[1:59:35] the proposed ordinance. Other than monopolizing or sleeping on city benches at night because

[1:59:43] that would be city property.

[1:59:45] So during the day, would not necessarily prevent

[1:59:48] this situation in the proposed ordinance,

[1:59:50] but would it not?

[1:59:53] Under the, if you're looking at night time,

[1:59:56] our,

[2:00:01] The next slide.

[2:00:05] The next slide is one that I've had several questions about, this type of activity.

[2:00:11] You see clearly one gentleman possibly two out of the three in the picture are sleeping on city sidewalks or wide of ways or sidewalks during the day.

[2:00:22] currently that would not be allowed because you're obstructing city streets or right,

[2:00:28] simply. However, I will tell you that even among individual police officers that I

[2:00:33] spoke with, and I'm sure that Chief would tell you the same, what defines obstructing is

[2:00:39] always going to be a question. It's always going to be an issue of discretion,

[2:00:45] as far as the officers concerned. Obviously there's a concern. If they have their feet in

[2:00:52] streets sitting on the sidewalk like this, that's a danger to them, that's a danger to

[2:00:56] motorists who might be trying to park where they are. So there's a public safety and

[2:01:00] a welfare aspect to it that the police could could address. But at this point, if you're looking

[2:01:09] at obstructing, in the same sense that you would look at the word hockey power, which I know

[2:01:14] As Andrew says, that's a question about, in the sense of, it meaning to possess or use property to the exclusion of others, then it would apply to anybody sitting or being stationary and preventing other people from using the sidewalk area.

[2:01:33] When you're talking about a street or sidewalk, that's supposed to be for movement, free flowing movement back and forth by the public.

[2:01:40] And so if you are, quote, occupying or obstructing or monopolizing a particular area, then that would be seen as being covered under Section 11-13.

[2:01:51] But again, all of your officers, you've got 200 police officers, and they all may view that how much of an obstruction is enough to characterize being charged with an, with a class three misdemeanor for that.

[2:02:08] This situation is not addressed during the day in the current in the proposed ordinance.

[2:02:15] Sleeping on city sidewalks for a right of ways at night.

[2:02:18] Again, not allowed under section 11, that's 13 under the proposed ordinance.

[2:02:24] It would not be allowed if they're sleeping under section A, which is mostly from any city property overnight.

[2:02:32] So a lot of times there is a difference between day and night.

[2:02:36] Next slide.

[2:02:38] And you'll see this is actually the same slide, specifically as opposed to sleeping this address

[2:02:45] is the obstructing and a little more, just what I mentioned about the fact that if they're

[2:02:50] theater in the street, the police could already address that issue under a general welfare situation

[2:02:58] because that could be a danger to them or other people with the streets.

[2:03:02] Next slide.

[2:03:04] Next slide, supposing, and I use this to illustrate the potential for sleeping or lying

[2:03:11] in entrances to private property or businesses.

[2:03:14] If this was a private business, then the city would currently be able to enforce a general

[2:03:20] statute against that for trespass if the business under was to call us.

[2:03:25] A lot of the, and what I noted on here is that many business owners don't want to press

[2:03:31] charges, though, because then they have to go to court and take time out of their day to say that

[2:03:36] that person was allowed to be there. And so, a lot of times, stress pass doesn't get used

[2:03:42] as much as you would think that it could be because the business owners don't want to do

[2:03:46] the follow-up and have to go to court against somebody who probably may or may not even show

[2:03:51] up to court. So, stress pass would seem to be a way to address a lot of issues, but a lot

[2:03:57] times it doesn't work out that way in reality because of that factor.

[2:04:02] The proposed ordinance doesn't address this date or not for private businesses because

[2:04:08] it's only targeted at city property.

[2:04:12] Next slide please.

[2:04:14] This next slide would be, and if you would imagine that this is city buildings as opposed

[2:04:21] to private property during the day, currently we would trespass someone like that if

[2:04:27] They did not move from a city, from a city building, city manager has authority to delegate

[2:04:34] that trespass authority to, and has in the past, to the individual department directors

[2:04:41] who have responsibility over the particular buildings or facilities, and so the city is

[2:04:46] able to address pass people who are blocking entrances to city buildings during the day,

[2:04:50] And we have done that for have had that address in the past, under the proposal.

[2:05:00] Opposed, ordinance, this would not be allowed because section 2 talks about specifically entrances to city facilities, being for ingress and egress, only so sleeping and lying at the entrances of city buildings,

[2:05:16] if would not be allowed during the day.

[2:05:20] for at night the proposed ordinance would not allow this under the same section

[2:05:26] deed for interest as to city facilities. However, the city itself, because there's no

[2:05:31] disruption of city business for preventing anybody from coming in and out of

[2:05:37] buildings after the buildings that closed, does not have a specific ordinance

[2:05:40] that addresses that at my time currently.

[2:05:47] And some of the things that I have spoken with the chief and with the city manager about

[2:05:54] how the weather, the new ordinance proposed ordinance goes forward or not.

[2:06:01] The thought that the PD and the city attorney's office there are police attorney for myself

[2:06:06] could work together with the PD to provide some additional training for downtown downtown specifically officers

[2:06:12] but for all officers, looking at a roll call, we could,

[2:06:16] the folks that are on the getting hold of task force,

[2:06:19] and talk to them about all quality of life ordinances,

[2:06:23] not just this particular one,

[2:06:25] and when I say quality of life, that would also include

[2:06:28] noise, public urination and defecation,

[2:06:31] aggressive handling, public consumption,

[2:06:33] the other things that our downtown business owners are also

[2:06:37] complaining of, whether or not the new ordinance is forward

[2:06:40] or not. I think those things are not, our police officers could probably rattle off the top of

[2:06:47] their head. All of these state laws against rate, murder, theft, they wouldn't expect them

[2:06:54] to be able to have the entire book, 300 pages of city ordinances memorized. And so I think it would

[2:07:04] helpful, whether or not the new ordinance passes to train our officers, especially the

[2:07:11] one's working in downtown, about what their alternatives are.

[2:07:18] The new ordinance, if it

[2:07:20] did go into effect, you can see from the chart, this on the first page, there's probably

[2:07:27] a handful of six to ten ordinances right down that they're looking at and having to go through

[2:07:32] ahead, which they probably don't have memorized, this would as a cheap mention previously be another

[2:07:39] tool in toolbox because it would be one ordinance that would be applied to a lot of different

[2:07:44] situations instead of multiple ordinances, and so could help in that way as far as being another tool

[2:07:50] in toolbox. So, but either way, I do think that we've had a lot of turnover as far as grease officers

[2:07:58] and that city code and especially these quality of life issues are not something that we focus

[2:08:05] on a lot with training for those officers and I think that the office could help with that

[2:08:12] and could do a lot better job of assisting with that and cooperating with these departments

[2:08:17] to get that done.

[2:08:20] So I'd be glad to take any questions, but a lot of these are just for your information

[2:08:24] in the preparation for your next meeting and I want to count it because we've got a lot

[2:08:29] of questions at that meeting and so she can now would both be available to talk about

[2:08:34] any important or legal issues that she got or would answer those questions at your next

[2:08:39] meeting.

[2:08:40] How are you feeling?

[2:08:41] Yes.

[2:08:42] I appreciate saying that the pictures weren't from the moment I think that that's important.

[2:08:50] It looks like from your chart that there's just a handful of things.

[2:08:54] sleeping that are not currently in violation of our current ordinances that the new ordinance

[2:09:04] would prohibit it.

[2:09:05] And those include sleeping in city parking desks day or night, sleeping in city surface parking

[2:09:13] lots, sleeping in your car on city property or right away overnight, and sleeping or lying

[2:09:19] in entrance to this city buildings overnight, and then the one that you did address in your

[2:09:23] which is occupying city owned or lease property between 10 AM and 7 AM and so.

[2:09:32] And the problem I have with the word, occupying is that it's undefined and made.

[2:09:39] It could apply to, you know, study just sitting, reading, or standing.

[2:09:43] And it risks arbitrary enforcement and plenty of application.

[2:09:48] It has a disproportionate impact on the overall vulnerable groups like the on-house.

[2:09:56] So that's my concern.

[2:10:00] We find that we're probably leaving out just because of the day that's stressful and we have a problem with this list.

[2:10:08] It's not. That's 100 of them.

[2:10:13] So, maybe you could address that.

[2:10:15] So, the ordinance that Mr. Waldo has to have put forward is the one that mirrors the county.

[2:10:25] And that's the language that's in there. Whatever language council wants to have or not have in there.

[2:10:32] You know, my office doesn't take a position on that, but in general, we do use the word

[2:10:38] occupying throughout our code and other situations in the land development code as far as

[2:10:45] you should probably most as opposed to talking about occupying residences and things like that

[2:10:50] in the LBC.

[2:10:51] But we also have 60 to 70 more instances of using the word occupying throughout the rest of our

[2:10:57] city code.

[2:10:58] And when we use it in those senses, although not applying to human beings, it's not used in this particular sense,

[2:11:07] because we haven't had an ordinance like this before, it is used for, say, if you put install a poll or a fixture,

[2:11:19] or something like that in an alley or a sidewalk or a street or a right of way,

[2:11:23] meaning that what you're putting there or even a temporary fixture is occupying space to the exclusion of other things.

[2:11:36] And so we don't, for instance, allow our downtown shop owners to put out big huge racks of clothing and things like that for

[2:11:50] They have to get a permit and they can only do it for two hours a day, even on the property

[2:11:56] directly in front of their places because, and we define that as occupied because it's

[2:12:04] to the exclusion of other people, because there's space to be public rights of life.

[2:12:09] And so if there's an issue, we use other words at other places.

[2:12:16] We use monopolizing, we use obstructing.

[2:12:22] And so if there's another word of phrase that council would prefer to use, you know, we use other words in our code as well.

[2:12:30] But occupying as far as what we currently use in our code, the definition would be to use or possess to the exclusion of others.

[2:12:39] And so, and as I mentioned, the purpose of a city public right of way or street is to allow free movement.

[2:12:49] And so, if you are taking up a space and not allowing that free movement,

[2:12:52] even if there's room for you to go around, you shouldn't have to on a city right of it.

[2:13:00] You should be able to move and go forward wherever you want to.

[2:13:05] And so that's the theory is that when you're talking about

[2:13:08] obstructing our occupying, is that someone is being

[2:13:11] somewhere to the point that someone else is not allowed to use.

[2:13:15] If that's kind of where we are on our pinches,

[2:13:17] when we talk about occupying city pinches, it means monopolizing

[2:13:24] and putting your stuff somewhere and underneath to the point

[2:13:28] that nobody else could use could use that bench

[2:13:31] or that sidewalk for that street.

[2:13:32] So, but whatever term that Council decides to use is certainly fine, but we do use that term in other places throughout our code.

[2:13:43] No, there's not a specific definition of it anywhere else, but that's how it's, that's the definition of how it's used in other places.

[2:13:58] So as far as these new things that are being proposed such as sleeping in cars, in your

[2:14:08] in city lots overnight or sleeping or lying in city building entrance is overnight.

[2:14:17] Do we have a lot of cultural service for things like that?

[2:14:23] Well, it calls for service, but it's city loss.

[2:14:26] It's going to call that it has an observation,

[2:14:29] officer of making an observation of that.

[2:14:32] You're going to plug it in the entryway into a city building.

[2:14:35] Again, it's going to call on that.

[2:14:37] We'll see that and then take action on that.

[2:14:42] So calls we get are usually from business owners,

[2:14:48] who are, if they're sleeping in the entryways,

[2:14:51] wherever we'll see in case they're in a party decks, now it's up to a party deck.

[2:15:01] But, you know, normally we respond to this complaint of the statuist, it used to be the three seats that I was out in the West Coast.

[2:15:11] The complaint of the statuist, the commercialized, well, the commercialized doesn't work on this.

[2:15:16] But if this is one of the two seats, we're going to take action.

[2:15:19] Okay? Now, the action would be preferably a together move.

[2:15:25] We don't want to, we don't want to take the course of action on this ghost.

[2:15:28] You don't.

[2:15:30] And I want to get out of your own room to leave and move somewhere else if they refuse

[2:15:35] to, which most won't, you know, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll voluntarily go.

[2:15:42] You know, we'll, we'll, we'll trespass them, so maybe that it's public property or it's,

[2:15:46] if it's a private entity and the owner wants to trespass them.

[2:15:54] And eventually, we may be able to take it

[2:15:57] to do the same thing over and over and over again.

[2:16:01] We don't want to arrest it.

[2:16:03] That's the absolute last statement we wanted to do.

[2:16:06] And so the answer to your question,

[2:16:10] a lot of that is, it's going to speak to us,

[2:16:12] we see it, or complain about it, which is not called service.

[2:16:16] That's usually how we respond to all of these.

[2:16:19] So most of the surface lines are payloads, is that correct?

[2:16:27] So somebody would have to pay well to be able to sleep in their car.

[2:16:33] I think they could come camp over here in your parking lot right here.

[2:16:37] We wouldn't have authority with that.

[2:16:42] Luckily, they haven't come here.

[2:16:44] I can't.

[2:16:45] If they do, it opens up that.

[2:16:49] And it opens up.

[2:16:51] Yeah.

[2:16:53] Yeah.

[2:16:54] Yeah, so again, it's quite up to the speakers.

[2:16:57] Thank you.

[2:17:01] She must have the cost of service.

[2:17:03] I mean, do we know about what we

[2:17:11] get?

[2:17:11] Yeah, I gave the day, and I'm trying to know what it was.

[2:17:15] That is a 17-hunt.

[2:17:18] Uh, yeah, I think again.

[2:17:40] That will be part of the big advantage is out.

[2:17:43] We came back and put that on.

[2:17:45] Okay.

[2:17:45] I'm resting a little bit.

[2:17:47] The best.

[2:17:47] We'll have to get somebody.

[2:17:49] We'll do it right now.

[2:17:50] But that takes a few days.

[2:17:51] You still feel, be the side of that, I'm resting.

[2:17:56] It's not so much of a problem with taking up both sides of the bench with their bodies anymore so much of the things.

[2:18:03] Yes.

[2:18:09] I can get to that number and I can afford to you two folks.

[2:18:12] You know, they're downtown portion of that, but we have to see why it sounds true.

[2:18:16] Okay, it's not just downtown the hospital corridor and only because it's off the floor.

[2:18:21] Now, you know, if this is over, it's not just especially if just planning consistently.

[2:18:29] So, but I'll get you that number and I'll break it down based on a downtown, and then I'll sit

[2:18:34] at why.

[2:18:35] But it was called service on it.

[2:18:37] I had an idea, I had an idea.

[2:18:39] I had an idea.

[2:18:40] I had an idea.

[2:18:46] I had an idea.

[2:18:47] I had an idea.

[2:18:48] I had an idea.

[2:18:57] I had an idea.

[2:18:58] It was called to give them a warning that, right, you know, the

[2:19:06] breeze there is that there,

[2:19:09] which the private property of the Earth is the courage at once of the time.

[2:19:13] On that, on the kind of ordinances, when the ordinances were cleaned out, especially

[2:19:18] some of these ended up with the property,

[2:19:27] they don't clean it up.

[2:19:29] They don't clean it up.

[2:19:29] They get a notice of how much it belongs.

[2:19:31] It's pretty much the only exception to that would be if their individuals that are charged

[2:19:36] with either litter and court dumping and they do end up going through the court system

[2:19:41] in the cost for that could be tacked on to whatever profession or personants that they give

[2:19:47] that they're self-appled.

[2:19:49] That's usually more of the case in my commercial dumping situation, not just a regular

[2:20:02] And if on DOT property now, I understand that they've put out a Lordness that you can't come to DOT property on, on some of the problems.

[2:20:14] Because I saw something they're all from market, from part of the right away, with so much of the part of the transportation.

[2:20:20] And then can't lose them out there on the outside of that side, with captains, they've replaced, right?

[2:20:26] You've given them to the private sector, so it has to stay thinking in a determination on that.

[2:20:31] Yes.

[2:20:34] That's, I guess, what transpired it were, and move her off to Dr. Kornford, and it was

[2:20:38] a big camp of there.

[2:20:40] And DOT asked us to move this group.

[2:20:42] If you remember the overpass on Market Street, that college was a huge camp of there that

[2:20:50] a few years ago.

[2:20:52] It was about getting a team to breathe, to address that, and we had to clean that out.

[2:20:57] It was huge.

[2:20:59] It's a pretty nice sort of community because we have market street and it does it's a people with some camps.

[2:21:07] And then the one of our horses and all the sub-todes here down to the level of our first drive.

[2:21:13] That part of that park is about the city.

[2:21:16] I think those are great significance.

[2:21:17] You can't be able with an interest as to do something about that.

[2:21:21] I guess they kind of migrate or from North.

[2:21:24] I don't know.

[2:21:25] Let me know.

[2:21:26] Katie over.

[2:21:27] It seems to that.

[2:21:28] It seems to be a site.

[2:21:29] Yes.

[2:21:30] Where are there any woodland, left, and the community?

[2:21:33] There's not a lot.

[2:21:34] I mean, it's thinning out pretty dramatically.

[2:21:38] It's kind of more likely folks that are migrating to.

[2:21:45] And you're saying, you're in the difference between the ordinances that we probably have.

[2:21:50] The ordinances that we're proposing is five or six.

[2:21:52] And they're different.

[2:21:54] Yes, sir.

[2:21:57] I guess you would then find that you have to stay for one.

[2:21:59] Yes, sir, and there are similarly some things that are covered in our ordinance, that in our ordinance is now that aren't covered in the other ordinance, say that I'll say covered six, the other way.

[2:22:11] Then I had a call. I have several emails about this, about the criminalization of this, and I guess concerns about abuse or law enforcement.

[2:22:22] And I'm going to ask the question.

[2:22:24] I remember this many years,

[2:22:27] what you do all.

[2:22:28] In certain terms of cars, there's a lot of people

[2:22:31] who talk to us about being stopped for no reason at all.

[2:22:35] And seeing that once the camera's going to be cars,

[2:22:39] that are very little of that, because it's all camera now.

[2:22:42] The cameras are still in the cars, yes.

[2:22:45] And police officers are wearing audio and visual on them.

[2:22:50] So when they interact with an individual,

[2:22:52] So we have a recording of what's happening for those that have a concern about some criminalization

[2:22:59] taking place in the offices of using someone.

[2:23:02] Yes.

[2:23:02] And we actually have to pass some capacity to remotely with the campers.

[2:23:10] Not just later, but we can see it actually real time.

[2:23:13] And there's also audios in the call.

[2:23:16] Yeah, this is totally transparent.

[2:23:17] There are, you know, we talked about the enforcement piece of this, you know, the person

[2:23:25] services.

[2:23:28] I strongly recommend you read the Wall Street Journal article yesterday on San Francisco,

[2:23:36] one of the most liberal cities in the country, after it to increase homeless

[2:23:43] campus throughout the city and they're one of the few success stories in this country right

[2:23:51] now that are actually having positive impact and their point of time numbers have decreased

[2:23:59] as a combination of predictive, aggressive, social, service, interaction and immediately up front

[2:24:08] with a combination of enforcement and if you have an opportunity to read that article, I think you

[2:24:14] can see that there is a potential to have some impact on this stuff and I think San Francisco

[2:24:21] Venus is, you know, that's the goal that you can get out

[2:24:28] of that area.

[2:24:29] The fact that they have taken a little different tact, I think there's the possibility to have

[2:24:37] I know that you're still not

[2:24:42] improving the level of energy.

[2:24:43] But it's also really two weeks from the higher,

[2:24:47] she says, it's a success out of it.

[2:24:48] I'm looking at how the success, the success of it,

[2:24:53] it's a success of it.

[2:24:55] It's a success of all of these those success,

[2:24:57] it's only been created a little more.

[2:25:01] All the organizations of all of them, they can move to all the districts, all the districts, all the districts, all of them, all the districts, all the districts and all the districts.

[2:25:08] That's what I'll be doing. I'm also going to apologize. I will just want to submit this to the folks around the world that are preparing an additional enforcement mechanism.

[2:25:20] Well, we continue to work with the service providers that we have, and as said here, there's one of the other solutions.

[2:25:38] The women, women, women, women, we need a project tax to leave all of the street.

[2:25:44] What will we be processing?

[2:25:46] Women, do you say that?

[2:25:48] I don't want to say that they are offices in the state room.

[2:25:51] They don't have to be processing.

[2:25:53] Well, in every situation that they're doing, there's no one process.

[2:25:59] It's someone called the plague,

[2:26:03] because it's like,

[2:27:14] because it's all,

[2:29:19] but you can't really speak it enough, because we should really get rid of it, because it's

[2:29:33] hard to do.

[2:29:52] Wait a second, Matt, I got a little something.

[2:30:00] But chicken banks will say, the mechanism that we need already is just an enforcement issue. So we don't need

[2:30:10] to reinvent the wheel. We don't need to put people in the past situations based on how it looks,

[2:30:20] or how it proceed, and again, I said that earlier. We just need help. So America's proposed

[2:30:28] of training, law enforcement about the new potential ordinance. Why not just put the ordinances

[2:30:37] that we have in place together and then go on law enforcement about what needs to be done

[2:30:45] or what can be done and go forward?

[2:30:50] I think it's pretty simple. Everything's in place. We want

[2:30:59] That's, you know, getting them off the street because what we're, we're not addressing it.

[2:31:05] That was a push from the river wall years ago to get them off the river wall.

[2:31:13] They went to the library and then from the library they went to M.O.K. incurred.

[2:31:20] from MLK and Kurdie, just going into every instance of the community, and you don't have

[2:31:29] a lot of pushback.

[2:31:30] You don't have a lot of opera about those hopes of being in that segment of this community,

[2:31:37] but that if you can't ride down principally dry, market street, I mean, I was at the

[2:31:45] And I saw the guy come around with a building, he came from the side of the building, to the

[2:31:55] market street side of the building and relieved himself on the market street, something that we

[2:32:03] hear a lot about.

[2:32:05] But it's true.

[2:32:05] So long.

[2:32:09] So there's an important mechanism in education fees that need to be put together, but this

[2:32:16] the audience is unnecessary.

[2:32:23] I'm pretty much disagree with you.

[2:32:25] Did you have a lecture?

[2:32:27] Yeah, I know you guys have a lecture.

[2:32:30] You didn't have to be in this work.

[2:32:35] You mentioned that you have a...

[2:32:39] I think it says I'm not even working with social workers or...

[2:32:42] We don't have...

[2:32:43] We don't have...

[2:32:45] I'm not a police and social workers.

[2:32:48] I want them to be together.

[2:32:49] I do.

[2:32:51] They will be there.

[2:32:55] We want them.

[2:32:57] They'll be there.

[2:32:58] They'll come with us.

[2:33:00] I mean, they've never said, you know.

[2:33:02] Okay, so I can't say it.

[2:33:03] But they've got their deal to do it.

[2:33:07] And you know, we will work together closely.

[2:33:12] If we've got a situation that requires some intervention,

[2:33:17] and then they'll be there.

[2:33:19] They'll come with us and be going to walk or can't.

[2:33:22] Yeah, we're going to look at the cabinet that we wanted to work.

[2:33:26] They'll come out there with us.

[2:33:28] Say they're walking a beat with us?

[2:33:32] No.

[2:33:32] Is it that happened to your knowledge?

[2:33:35] Any wind coming?

[2:33:37] Oh, yeah.

[2:33:38] Yeah, sure.

[2:33:38] I have a lot of agency that employed social workers

[2:33:42] and should ride with the officers

[2:33:44] and go out and make contact.

[2:33:48] Yeah, that's not on you, but usually the budget issue

[2:33:59] here is something I could look like for us in three out of ten

[2:34:11] years.

[2:34:12] Yes, we had one that's about to go out and share knowledge and social work against it.

[2:34:17] And we had, maybe you weren't here, but the mayor was, we had a program to

[2:34:27] visit that was really successful.

[2:34:31] We reached out to inmates, and since the

[2:34:40] prison, there it is going back into our city, right?

[2:34:45] And then they would have a high recid this way.

[2:34:49] We went together, counselor, and social worker, and we reached out to these folks in prison, as they're getting ready to get out.

[2:35:00] They wanted to work with us, we helped find them. They used to live with jobs for them. I mean, we had a great

[2:35:08] success rate. I recently went from about 75% now, maybe 25% or something. It was a pretty successful program.

[2:35:17] But like anything else, you can just kind of fell apart. We had some staffing issues and kind of went away. But unfortunately,

[2:35:42] So

[2:35:45] we partnered with business community, business community and we're willing to hire

[2:35:50] these guys.

[2:35:52] And that was the hook.

[2:35:55] I mean, you don't have, you don't have a job.

[2:35:58] And what you're going to do is it's not going to properly not go to work real well.

[2:36:02] So we've got to commit this from the business community.

[2:36:05] And we've got these guys hooked up for a job.

[2:36:08] And some of them were real successful.

[2:36:14] I guess I want to ask the audience the same question I had earlier.

[2:36:17] And then what I'm missing and what is it that I beat you in your chest that you want to say that when you need here, you're going to go,

[2:36:29] God, I always couldn't but ask that question.

[2:36:36] Yes, sir, I wasn't going to say anything.

[2:36:38] But I have to go, I'm sorry.

[2:36:40] Yeah, yeah, I'm going to set up

[2:36:47] a time and go, there's an answer.

[2:36:49] If you can't forget about this.

[2:36:53] Where could a homeless person who's living on the streets legally occupied?

[2:36:58] If there's no shelter about it, and how could they not be in violation of the city code?

[2:37:07] And whether under the current mixture of ordinances, or some consolidated version of the current ordinances, or the slightly modified improved, or version that's being proposed,

[2:37:24] Not on private property, presumably, not on the DOT right away, most of it.

[2:37:30] I mean, I think that ultimately it comes back to the question of the musical chairs.

[2:37:35] And somebody is violating city code, because there's not a chair, you know,

[2:37:42] city attorney at the last meeting, talked a lot about what the definition of occupied is.

[2:37:46] people take space where legally can somebody be if not on a city property or a public property.

[2:37:58] This is a very difficult question to answer and I think in Houston where they had success

[2:38:05] with an ordinance very similar to this, they first offered shelter and if you did not accept

[2:38:12] the offer of shelter, then there were criminal misdemeanor but have you, for refusing shelter.

[2:38:23] But if there is no legal place to go,

[2:38:29] what do we expect?

[2:38:35] That's, you know, and so, you know, whether the current ordinances or the proposed ordinances,

[2:38:42] you know, how's the chief supposed to enforce even the current ordinances?

[2:38:45] If all he's really doing is making someone go to a different public space,

[2:38:51] violating the same ordinance, just not the same square footage.

[2:38:58] So are you solving that issue of question now?

[2:39:01] Where are you going to get the money?

[2:39:03] Again, I have no answers, but I just want to make certain that the community understands this.

[2:39:10] We get 40% of the tax revenue.

[2:39:13] county gets 60. We get 20% of the sales tax revenue, county gets 80. And I'm not

[2:39:20] blaming this on the county. But our financial structure based on what the state

[2:39:26] allows us to understand the status status, state law, business, less money. And

[2:39:30] yet, we don't have human services, nor the Department of Health under

[2:39:34] our jurisdictions. I want to be pushed into it. So I want to be very clear about

[2:39:39] this. And we are the only entity in the only government that has supported

[2:39:44] housing with supported services, and the links that I reserve and it's fairly, and I know

[2:39:49] how much time it took to do that. So unless you're going to change the financial model and

[2:39:54] give cities and by the way, you could give us more.

[2:40:00] The sales tax revenue based on what this county is allowed to do, based on either per, on adorant tax, or per capita, and you know this, we'd get 50% of the sales tax revenue, which if we're willing as a community, this family, money, we would, but you're putting all of it, for all of it, I'm not saying you're putting all of it, because I'm not saying that to anybody else, but all of it seems to have now nested in the corporate citizens, whether we like it or not.

[2:40:28] And I would challenge anybody to say, we're going to put a facility in an unincorporary

[2:40:36] of the county, and I would love to see what kind of blood back they get from those senses.

[2:40:44] It's a very complex situation, and I'm not everybody's passionate about this, we're trying

[2:40:49] to find something that works for everybody, and I hear what you're saying, but a lot

[2:40:54] comes down to funding. And a lot of people will say it's not our problem, it's a city's

[2:40:59] problem. You deal with it. But at some point time it will overflow from here and it's

[2:41:04] going to go into a place where you may be residing and you may not like it. But it's always

[2:41:10] outing within the corporate ceiling based on the map that you showed us, Richard. And it's

[2:41:17] not, it's overwhelmed our capacity to handle it. And for us to be able to put up any additional

[2:41:23] money for additional housing for shelter and does take time. And should all the shelters be in

[2:41:29] the same? I'm just gonna ask that question point black to everybody. Is that money

[2:41:34] also fair? No. And Kevin said it best. The last meeting is parts of our community that are

[2:41:40] receiving the run of it. And is it fair to those parts of the community that are having to

[2:41:45] seek the run of it? Other people said it was not a problem, it's not a my background here.

[2:41:51] And the very people that were well, some of the people that were playing the loudest, if you had to pick a geographic location and do not have a accounting work to put the healing place, it would be in a medical community.

[2:42:03] And we call them tons of blood back from everybody.

[2:42:08] And we're seeing in the world.

[2:42:10] That's what we did and you have to, that has to be part of the equation too, who we're dealing with.

[2:42:15] Nobody wants it. Everybody wants to solve the problem.

[2:42:18] It's like everybody wants to go to heaven, everybody wants to die.

[2:42:31] You ain't got a

[2:42:35] word.

[2:42:35] You close those knees.

[2:42:38] Anybody else?

[2:42:39] Yes.

[2:42:42] Come on, Mr. Harris.

[2:42:43] Okay, I gotta stand up.

[2:42:45] Yeah, okay.

[2:42:46] One point out of it,

[2:42:48] It's a good point, but the reality is that the camping order comes like a spade limit.

[2:42:55] It's really not going to be enforced on everybody.

[2:42:57] If WPD were tagging people going to have a 35 and a 35 sign, I mean, the cars, people

[2:43:03] lined up, stopped.

[2:43:05] It's really a tool for WPD to use when there is a serious problem these to be addressed.

[2:43:14] So, I mean, the thing about envisioning that they're going to run off every single person

[2:43:20] who's sleeping on the house and public property,

[2:43:25] they don't have the manpower to do it,

[2:43:28] but are there some people that they need to be relocated?

[2:43:32] That

[2:43:41] can matter is that June 2020 for the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that

[2:43:46] municipality's can enforce public camping ordinances regardless of how much shelter space is in place.

[2:43:54] And since that time, hundreds of cities, including some of the ones that we've talked about today,

[2:44:00] have rushed to do just that.

[2:44:01] So this is not again.

[2:44:02] Again, we actually, as I've said, it's like some do I get another tool, but it's a loss that I think will be effective as we work towards a bar

[2:44:20] or something.

[2:44:21] You know what?

[2:44:21] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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