[0:53] 30 p.m. and I call this meeting to order. Please stand and we'll recite the flight of allegiance.

[1:18] Good evening everyone. This is a regularly scheduled meeting of the Winona City Council. I don't have anything specific tonight, so I'll kick it over to the City Manager, Chattuval.

[1:27] I'm Aaron Council, nothing else this evening.

[1:29] Very good. I will now ask City Clerk to take the roll call.

[1:33] Mayor Sherman.

[1:34] Council Member Young.

[1:36] Hi, Mark.

[1:37] Here.

[1:37] Christianson.

[1:38] Here.

[1:40] For each public hearing staff will make a short presentation, and then I will ask if anyone from the public wishes to speak to the matter.

[1:50] Please state your name and address clearly.

[1:52] You'll be given up to three minutes to make your testimony.

[1:55] I will call three times for public comments.

[1:57] Once the hearing is closed, the public may not participate in the discussion by city council.

[2:04] Under required public hearings, item 2.1 is an annexation request for 1628 Valley View Drive.

[2:10] No, call CityPunner Luke Sims to prevent this present the staff conference.

[2:17] Good evening.

[2:18] Thank you, Mayor and Council.

[2:20] Before you today is an item for an annexation at 1628 Valley View Drive.

[2:24] This is a single family property located directly adjacent to city property.

[2:29] This property also came before you for annexation via a joint orderly annexation, pursuits back in May of this year.

[2:39] Without hearing an affirmative response from Wilson Township, the city is pursuing annexation by ordinance.

[2:45] The property is described on page 9 of your agenda today.

[2:50] The applicants, Greta and Anthony vote, came forward due to a failing septic system.

[2:54] They have the subjects that they currently have, lacks tank integrity, and is also experiencing

[2:59] soil separation, hot failing to protect groundwater in the area, they are required to address

[3:04] the deficiencies, either through replacement, upgrading, or discontinued use within ten

[3:10] months.

[3:11] They have made that in what they made that observation in April of this year.

[3:16] Before you today is an opportunity to bring 1628 Valley View Drive into the city of one

[3:22] of the annexation and connect this property to city utilities thereby going around and addressing

[3:29] the integrity issues and the soil separation issues at this property with that I'm

[3:34] available for any questions.

[3:36] Well, hold the questions until after the public hearing, if you don't want to cancel, thank

[3:41] you.

[3:41] All right.

[3:42] I will now open the public hearing.

[3:43] I know the petitioner, they're not in attendance tonight, so I'll open the public hearing

[3:48] regarding the proposed annexation, we'll now open the public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak

[3:53] has invited it come for please state your name and address for the record before making

[3:57] your comments.

[4:00] I'll now ask again, does anybody from the public wish to speak during the required public hearing

[4:04] for item 2.1 annexation request at 1628 in the Valley View Drive.

[4:12] I'll ask again, does anybody

[4:12] wish to speak during the required public hearing for item 2.1?

[4:18] Last one more time, does anybody

[4:20] from the public which to speak during the required public hearing for item 2.1 annexation request

[4:25] at 1628 value view drive.

[4:31] Is there anyone else who wishes to bribe comments regarding the

[4:34] information on the proposed annexation of the theme? Seeing none, I will close the public hearing.

[4:42] It's very important that the council is under your seat ordinance.

[4:46] Second, motion from Steve, second from Jerome, discussion amongst council requirements,

[4:50] Mr. Stiff.

[4:55] Mr. Sims.

[5:02] So in reviewing this, this looks like this is, like, you'd

[5:05] imagine this is Jason property, so we're not doing anything other

[5:08] than just extending what's next door.

[5:13] Was there a reason that Wilson Township gave for not

[5:16] agreeing to the annexation?

[5:20] Wilson Township did not provide any form of resolution related

[5:23] to that, however, the informal response I received was that they were not interested in pursuing

[5:28] annexation via a single property or early annexation request and would rather prefer the city

[5:33] go through its annexation ordinance procedures.

[5:37] Okay, so there wasn't a particular reason this is this is their preferred path for us to choose,

[5:43] which we have done numerous times before.

[5:45] Correct.

[5:46] Correct.

[5:46] We have done that similar joint or early annexation followed by annexation by ordinance procedure in the past.

[5:52] Okay, so this fits the profile.

[5:55] Correct.

[5:55] Council Member Hima.

[5:56] Great.

[5:56] Thank you.

[5:58] Drone, did you have something?

[5:59] No.

[6:00] Any other?

[6:00] Yeah, sure.

[6:01] There's already stubbeds for sewer and water there.

[6:06] Correct.

[6:07] It's quite literally directly in front of the property.

[6:11] Thank you.

[6:12] It's all I know.

[6:13] Any other questions for Luke?

[6:17] Thanks.

[6:17] Appreciate it.

[6:20] All right.

[6:22] Any other discussion?

[6:22] here you know all those in favor say aye. Opposed motion passes. Item 2.2 is a

[6:31] municipal consent public hearing for Highway 43 Project. I would like to

[6:36] call on J.I. Col see from Minda to come forward and present the Highway 43

[6:40] Project, please.

[6:56] Is the green light on your mic?

[7:01] It is. Okay.

[7:10] Good evening Mr. Mayor.

[7:12] members of the council, city staff, thanks for entertaining our motion, or excuse me,

[7:18] our request tonight for municipal consent for upcoming project on Haley 43,

[7:26] I have a brief

[7:28] PowerPoint presentation.

[7:30] Motion to go over the project and the process here.

[7:37] Abigail, weekman from Alain Engineering is also here today to present the layout that has been submitted for consideration.

[7:49] So, I guess the first question that I'd like to address is, why are we here? What is the hearing purpose for tonight? This is basically spelled out in Minnesota statutes 161.162 through 161.167.

[8:05] Municipal consent is required for the local municipality when Minda is proposing a project within that municipality that beats one of three thresholds, one if we're altering access, so for instance, closing a driveway, et cetera, number two if we increase or reduce the highway capacity, that would be like adding another through lane on a highway.

[8:33] or number three if we're requiring the acquisition of a permanent rights away as part of the project.

[8:41] So in our case, this particular project here actually meets the thresholds for criteria number one and number three.

[8:50] And so that's as triggered the municipal consent process.

[8:58] So, as part of that process, mid-DOT transmits what we call the staff approved geometric layout.

[9:06] That shows the geometric features of the project.

[9:10] We also transmit a good faith cost estimate to the city,

[9:15] outlining any anticipated cost-share items and cost responsibilities that the city would be responsible for as part of that project.

[9:22] and other associated reports which typically would be an environmental document or some other design memo.

[9:31] Once that package is transmitted to the city, the city has 15 days within receipt of that package to schedule a public hearing.

[9:43] So I did transmit that package to Brian on June 30th.

[9:47] The city then schedules and holds public hearing with three days notice must hold the public hearing within 60 days or receiving that final layout.

[9:58] So that's tonight's meeting.

[10:01] The city council then considers the layout in addition to any testimony provided by concerned citizens.

[10:09] the city then has 90 days to either approve or disapprove that layout.

[10:18] I should say within 90 days of the hearing.

[10:22] If the layout is disapprove,

[10:25] Minda has basically one of three options.

[10:30] One, if you disapprove, disapprove, but you have a number of conditions

[10:35] that if MINDOT can meet, then the staff could be approved upon receiving written notice from MINDOT that we agreed to those conditions and we furnish you with a revised layout.

[10:51] At that point the consent process has concluded and MINDOT can proceed with the project.

[10:56] And the second option here is that we can file an appeal to have an independent body review

[11:06] that decision and render a final decision on the layout.

[11:11] Or number three, we can withdraw the project and not complete the project.

[11:20] I should say there's also one other slight nuance here.

[11:22] we could also take a look at the layout.

[11:26] Again, looking at those triggers or those thresholds

[11:29] for needing municipal consent, if we modify the project

[11:33] such that we don't trigger those thresholds,

[11:38] then need for municipal consent is basically rendered

[11:42] to move point and conduct can move forward with the project.

[11:50] So let me talk a little bit more about the project

[11:53] and the specifics here.

[11:54] The purpose for this project is to improve pavement quality.

[12:02] Also, the sidewalk and pedestrian ramps,

[12:06] we want to bring those into compliance.

[12:09] Update any intersection traffic control is warranted

[12:12] and then improve mobility and safety for all modes of traffic.

[12:17] So with that, that's kind of a high level of the process

[12:21] and why we're doing a project on Highway 43.

[12:24] I'm going to turn it over to Abby Noom, who's going to kind of walk us through the specifics

[12:28] of the project.

[12:30] The beginning and end points of the project, the project length, and what we're proposing to do here.

[13:01] Hello.

[13:01] And Abby recommend the line-intentionary design engineer for the job.

[13:06] My visuals are not great, so I'll try to give you guys a good verbal description of the project.

[13:11] So it's on Trunk Highway 43, which snakes through town and has several vocal road names for it for Street Main Street, Sarnia.

[13:22] So it's kind of a complicated layout.

[13:25] It starts kind of kind of latch island.

[13:28] We have an orphan section of pavement, a 43 that just needs to be milled and overlaid.

[13:33] So we take off a couple inches of the surface with the milling and then we overlay it with new pavement.

[13:38] gives you that good surface quality ride quality there, so that's on latch island, that's really all that's happening in that location.

[13:47] And then we move into town, so once you're across the big river bridge,

[13:52] we'll continue that no-one overlay process of 43.

[13:56] And just really just that happening at the intersection of La Nona and Forest Street.

[14:01] And then we go down Forest Street and we're all the project as it snakes its way on the 4th

[14:08] And to me, I'm sorry, that no one really is happening as well as kind of piecemeal sidewalk improvements.

[14:17] So areas where panels have cracks or discontinuities that wouldn't need ADA standards or replacing that sidewalk,

[14:24] smoothing it out, will replace some driveways if they have issues or aren't compliant, mostly to fix cross-slope,

[14:33] through the par, the festering excess felt that goes through a driveway, so replacing the

[14:37] driveways you've got a nice flat slope. We're including a lot of bump-outs at most intersections,

[14:44] so shortening that crossing for pedestrians across 43. And the side road,

[14:52] specifically at 4th

[14:54] and main, there's an existing signal which is going to be removed and replaced with an all-way stop.

[15:00] I was based on an earlier traffic study and continuing down main, we get to fifth street. That existing signal system is also going to be removed and replaced with side street stops.

[15:16] So fifth street would stop and 43 would continue unimpeded and then we are proposing a RFB. So rapid rectangular flashing beacon.

[15:28] There's one at eight street by the college, so it's a way for pedestrians to push that button, it actually lets people know that

[15:37] Preds are there, lets them cross safely, so we're proposing one of those crossing Main Street at 5th.

[15:45] And then Broadway has an existing signal, and that is proposed to be replaced with a new signal system, the existing one is met at serviceway.

[15:53] And it will be upgraded to have APS technology, so accessible pedestrian and signal, it will

[16:00] have push buttons, that chirp for people, pull the accessible.

[16:04] So that'll all be updated.

[16:08] We've got spot replacements of storm sewer, fixing catch basins.

[16:14] Minor areas where it would go across the road, but the most part just spot fixing.

[16:19] These

[16:27] sarnia, it's a lot of the same bump-outs and pedestrian ramps are being fixed and upgraded.

[16:35] We will be adding sidewalk along the Lake Park, from about Franklin, over to the roundabout of Manketel.

[16:45] It'll tie in that existing sidewalk.

[16:47] So we're going to propose an eight-foot walk along the south side of sarnia street there.

[16:52] which provides a buffer to traffic and then a five foot use for a side block.

[16:57] But it will all be paid great in the back of the car.

[17:02] Our typical section for the moles part will maintain parking on both sides.

[17:07] We're proposing 11 foot wide through lanes and then a five foot bike lane on both sides of the road.

[17:25] So with our side block replacements in certain areas, we do have potential for tree impacts.

[17:31] It's a mostly along Lake Park.

[17:33] There's some tree litter very close to where that side block would go in.

[17:37] So we're going to assess that and make sure that if we're damaging roots, that we take

[17:41] care of them.

[17:42] We will be doing a lot of root cutting to make sure that we don't damage roots and we keep

[17:47] the trees as healthy as possible if we're going to mark them through being saved.

[17:51] But that is a potential that will be assessing as we move into final design.

[17:58] Did it?

[18:00] Yeah?

[18:04] Abigail?

[18:07] Did you have images you wanted to show?

[18:12] Because if you had layout, screens, the council has a printout in her.

[18:18] And, you know, I have what was provided to Brian.

[18:20] Our IT is trying to bring them up.

[18:22] Do you want us to bring those up?

[18:26] Unless there's questions you want to have them queued up?

[18:29] Yeah, if there are some potential questions after discussion here, it might be good to refer to.

[18:36] I know it's a little hard to go off of just a verbal description, pictures or a thousand words sometimes, right?

[18:43] We're working on trying to get them.

[18:48] So I'll get through the rest of my presentation very much longer.

[18:52] And then so Brad, if you could just go back to the presentation and then keep working on getting those files up that'd be great to appreciate it.

[18:59] Thank you.

[19:08] So the graphic is our layout.

[19:11] That's what we're asking the council to consider and ultimately vote on proving or disapproving.

[19:24] A couple of other things here to note, so right away for the project, so there are some

[19:31] temporary easements that are needed for a good length of the project.

[19:38] Those temporary easements are needed in many areas to facilitate the sidewalk replacement

[19:43] and dry away reconstruction.

[19:49] So there'll be a number of parcels impacted.

[19:52] Linearly we estimate up to five feet. Beyond the back of the sidewalk we'll be

[19:58] needed to help construct the sidewalk replacements and sort of blend these

[20:04] slopes back into folks as yards. We do have a few areas of permanent acquisition

[20:11] and permanent easements that are needed, albeit most of them are fairly small.

[20:18] Most significant ones will be along the south side of Sarnia Street from Franklin to just

[20:26] west of the Lake Park,

[20:30] Drive Hamilton Street area. This is for the new sidewalk that's being

[20:34] constructed. Much of it is within Mindot right away, but there's some that

[20:39] I'll cite them in down right away.

[20:42] There's some other things there, we're going

[20:44] to have some regulatory impacts, known as 6F impacts,

[20:49] and we have to do some landscaping.

[20:53] There are three other areas where there are some small

[20:57] slivers needed to install updated ped ramps at

[21:03] three separate quadrants,

[21:07] various intersections

[21:08] within Highway Corps or the Trook Highway Corps Guard.

[21:14] So that's what's required for right away.

[21:17] In terms of schedule, so we're looking at letting this project

[21:22] in January of 2020, a currently.

[21:27] We anticipate construction would begin in May of 2020,

[21:32] we're intentionally trying to schedule the work on Main Street

[21:36] in the vicinity of Winona State University for the month

[21:40] when the regular school session is out.

[21:44] We expect it to be substantially complete

[21:46] and August of 2028, again, weather permitting.

[21:51] And the end of construction, after we do some final client clean up

[21:55] and punchless items, we would anticipate later that fall in 2028.

[22:07] In terms

[22:10] of traffic control for the project,

[22:13] the final track control plan is still under development.

[22:17] We have looked at things at a fairly high level conceptually, broken into three main

[22:24] stages with a stage zero pre-stage.

[22:27] That stage zero would involve short-term clothing.

[22:33] So there may be some short detours required for those. Stage 1, we would have Highway 43 traffic, all of that shifted to one side. While the other half is closed for sidewalk, curb and gutter war, etc., there likely need to be some on street parking restrictions during that time frame. Stage 2, we would flip-flop things around and do the other half, Highway 43, curb and gutter war.

[22:59] You've got our sidewalk, et cetera.

[23:02] Final stage would be with the surfacing the mill and overlay through the entire length

[23:06] of the project, which we anticipate being able to do that under traffic with flagging operations.

[23:16] In terms of cost, there are a number of costure items detailed here.

[23:21] The bulk of the cost have to do with the city's cost share for a signal replacement,

[23:28] but

[23:28] The total is approximately $298,900,

[23:35] and that's a total project cost, about $6.3 million

[23:40] of which Mendoza is responsible for about $6 million worth.

[23:50] So that's all we had for our formal presentation here tonight, so we'll allow councils who

[23:57] forward with either questions or answers or more testimony from the public.

[24:02] I'm going to go to public hearing first that we have all the information presented before

[24:06] we get into questions with.

[24:11] I'll now open the public hearing regarding municipal consent for the Highway 43 project anyone

[24:18] who should speak is invited to come forward please state your name and address for the record

[24:22] before making your comments you will have three minutes to address the council.

[24:26] Council members may ask questions of speakers for the purpose of clearing fine facts.

[24:32] Does anybody from the public wish to speak during the required public hearing?

[24:37] Come on up, Michael.

[24:48] Honourable Mayor Sherman, members.

[24:49] My name is Michael Wojak, I am the executive director of the Bicycle Alliance of Minnesota.

[24:55] I live in Winona's largest suburb, Rochester.

[24:58] And I came over here today to talk about what I think is a safety issue and my understanding

[25:06] is that you will not actually be voting on municipal consent tonight.

[25:10] We are going to submit a formal letter that's going to go into great detail about some of

[25:13] the concerns that we have.

[25:16] And ultimately we view this as a public safety issue and we think that our safer designs

[25:21] that are available out there.

[25:23] I spent 12 years on the Rochester City Council.

[25:26] That's called very long years, so I appreciate the service that you're doing.

[25:32] I know what it's like to do on, have to make these decisions, and I actually got involved.

[25:36] I came across the scene of a crash on June 16th, 2006, just over 20 years ago, where a young girl named

[25:43] Ariana McNamara was killed at an incredibly unsafe intersection.

[25:47] She and her family were doing everything right and ultimately, because of the design of the roadway,

[25:53] a driver did not stop and she lost her life and that's what hangs with me to this day.

[25:58] When I see things that are clearly safety issues, I feel is my personal responsibility and

[26:05] my professional duty to say that there are in fact better options that are out there.

[26:10] Now I want to tell you that there's a lot of things in this project that is really good

[26:14] and really improvements and engineers will probably tell you that this is safer than what's

[26:19] their design today, and that is unquestionably true. But there are certain things that we must

[26:25] expect for our communities and the people of our communities for safety. One of those

[26:30] items has to do with mixing of vulnerable road users with certain speeds and densities of traffic.

[26:38] It's not just me that's up here saying this, but rather best practices from the MINDOT's

[26:44] physical design guide, their own manual, the federal highway administration,

[26:48] on NACTO, which is promote safe designs within cities,

[26:52] ashto, all of these groups have looked at how you build safe infrastructure.

[26:57] And there are certain things that they just say never, ever happen

[27:00] if we truly want our communities to be safe.

[27:03] Now, when we look at projects, we get asked to comment on projects a lot.

[27:07] There are projects that we love, there are projects that we think are adequate,

[27:10] there are projects that we think are poor,

[27:12] Where we really want to put our foot down is when we see something that is clearly unsafe.

[27:17] And this design, as it stands today, we view it as not meeting the most basic safety standards.

[27:23] And very specifically, any time you have speeds that over 30 miles per hour, you need to have physical separation between the vulnerable road users and the vehicles, particularly if you have truck traffic.

[27:35] 11 foot lanes are plenty wide. That's what you have on high 94 between Minneapolis and St. Paul and the good news

[27:42] I'd leave you with is we're here to help the city. We're here to partner with men not we think there are solutions that can be done within this project

[27:49] for budget that's just around the year. We want to help you address the safety issues in this so we can all be supportive of what comes out. Thank you very good. Thank you

[27:58] Does anybody else from the public who should speak during the report public hearing?

[28:12] Good evening, mayor and council. My name is Bernadette Murphy, and I live at 7-5-0-Westfitt

[28:17] Street.

[28:20] I have number four on the presentation mentioned that this project is to improve mobility

[28:24] and safety for all modes of traffic. I hear updated pedrams, but no updated bicycle infrastructure.

[28:30] I'm an avid cyclist. I ride nearly every single day, including winter.

[28:34] I'm against this project design because it is unsafe and does not follow current guidelines,

[28:38] not even men. own bicycle infrastructure guidelines.

[28:44] Minneapolis used to have painted bike lanes on busy streets

[28:46] and my husband used these lanes. He was struck by a vehicle

[28:50] when he was legally in a painted lane on a bicycle.

[28:54] Minneapolis has learned that painted lanes on roads with high traffic volume

[28:57] and parked cars are unsafe.

[28:59] They no longer create lanes like this.

[29:02] In heavy traffic corridor as the lanes are separated.

[29:05] Bike infrastructure needs to be safe and useful

[29:06] While the route on Sarnia made it useful, it is not safe.

[29:10] Fishing a painted line on the road is not protection,

[29:12] putting bike lanes in the door zone, leads to injuries or works.

[29:17] Operating speeds of over 35 miles an hour, and a daily traffic volume of over 7,000 vehicles,

[29:23] dictates the bike lanes should be separated.

[29:25] There are various designs to accomplish this.

[29:28] For the record, I'm very pro bike infrastructure, but it needs to be safe

[29:31] and it should connect things people need.

[29:33] Safe corridors for kids to travel to school and the water park in the state

[29:38] state shop, safe connections for college kids to attend class and go to

[29:41] coffee shops. If these lanes cannot be properly and safely designed, just don't

[29:47] do them. Painting bike lanes that might make the numbers look good, but it does

[29:52] not make biking in them safe. Not painting dangerous bike lanes at all.

[30:00] Thanks. If we build infrastructure for bicycles, we should build it right.

[30:03] Plains that allow cyclists to save the traverse for anona have the potential to reduce vehicles on the roads.

[30:09] Fear motor vehicles leads to less wear and tear.

[30:13] Putting the time and effort in now to build this correctly will positively impact future bug budgets.

[30:18] But in this current form, I request that please do not give municipal consent to the current project.

[30:24] We can make it better. Thank you.

[30:27] Does anybody else from the public which is speaking during the record public hearing for item 2.2?

[30:43] Good evening, Council.

[30:46] I'll show my R322 high for us.

[30:49] You all know me.

[30:51] You're going to take my glass off.

[30:52] Oh, now we know you.

[30:54] Yeah.

[30:56] I can't say it any better really than Michael and Vernon have.

[31:01] But I first, I want to address the diversion of traffic.

[31:09] You know, really, I believe highway 43 should actually go to Pelser, down river view,

[31:16] Hofstreet, forestry, and left turns.

[31:18] I drove a truck in the past.

[31:21] That's a logical common sense place to have traffic go,

[31:26] And, at least during this construction, that's where I would send the truck traffic out to Pellzer River View, Huff and Forest.

[31:35] Truck drivers will really like it, left turns and double lanes for right turns.

[31:40] So, consider that.

[31:42] Second, you guys know I'm a cyclist.

[31:45] I'm also a pedestrian.

[31:46] And I really think that these improvements are main,

[31:50] and sorry you are going to make it safer for pedestrians.

[31:54] But it will not for cyclists.

[31:58] The door zone for the cyclist, I know there are some of you on, on council here, is the

[32:04] kilzone.

[32:06] And so that's, and probably many of us here have been dored by self included and having a bike

[32:18] pathway in the door zone on a street like Sarnia or Main Street really is not a good idea.

[32:26] So I really encourage the council in Mindot and our city engineer who does a great job

[32:37] of making recommendations to please don't put that paint down.

[32:42] cyclists will think it's safe, but it's not.

[32:45] As a constrained lane, it's not protected.

[32:48] It will hurt cyclists.

[32:50] Do not put those bike-like lanes on Sarnia and May.

[32:55] Thanks, Paul.

[32:57] Does anybody else from the public

[32:58] which should speak during their card public hearing today?

[33:04] Good evening.

[33:05] I'm Diane Lutek, Ed Munson.

[33:06] I live at 516 Dakota Street.

[33:08] And I just wanted to add my voice to the chorus and say,

[33:11] I agree.

[33:12] I ride all over this town.

[33:13] I also walk all over this town.

[33:14] and I'd like for it to be safer.

[33:16] Let's make sure that it actually is.

[33:18] Thank you.

[33:19] Thank you.

[33:20] Does anybody else from the public

[33:21] wish to speak during the part of public hearing?

[33:27] My name is Michelle Flomer of the A650,

[33:30] Logan Sunset Drive, and as a cyclist,

[33:34] as a coach of Millsville and high school athletes

[33:37] from the mountain by team,

[33:39] as well as a mother of a cyclist.

[33:43] I've seen written in Rochester.

[33:44] I've written in cities, on street lanes, and I will honestly tell you that I will tell parents and children

[33:51] if this lane is built the way it's designed, it is not safe.

[33:56] I often work with a young children when they're bike and I work with a lot of middle school riders.

[34:01] They easily get distracted, right?

[34:03] And because they're going to have fun.

[34:05] It's easy for a driver to easily get distracted.

[34:09] A phone call even though they may not pick it up.

[34:11] They keep this track, they look, check this way, and they're going over the cycling lane.

[34:17] The lane for cyclists is fine, if you lie, it will give the state says you have to allow

[34:21] three feet between a more vehicle and a cyclist. That basically gives us cyclists one to

[34:27] two feet space to put that three feet at space in between. So as someone who loves cycling,

[34:35] loves this children in our area. Please move that lane at least on other side of the

[34:42] park vehicles. So that is, it has a barrier between the moving vehicles. Thank you.

[34:48] Thank you. Does anybody else from the public wish to speak during your card

[34:52] public here?

[34:55] Well, last one last time, does anybody from the public wish to speak during

[34:58] your card public hearing for item 2.2 municipal consent public hearing for TH43

[35:03] project. Come on up, pit. You always wait till my last

[35:08] amount. Well, I want to make sure I don't cut anybody else off.

[35:12] I hear you, bro. Ted, he is a 10, 10, 73, West

[35:16] District in Winona. And I would ask the counselor to deny them

[35:22] municipal consent as well. There's several issues with this

[35:27] The biggest issue is narrowing the lanes on Sarnier Street for semi-traffic.

[35:35] As some of you may know, I'm a former truck driver with 6.8 million miles under my belt,

[35:43] accident-free.

[35:46] A semi-h is 102 inches wide, and 18 inches wide on either side for mirrors.

[35:54] That's 11 feet.

[35:55] If you have 11 foot lanes, rather than 12 to 13 foot lanes that currently exist, and you

[36:03] get two semis and park cars, and somebody on a bicycle on the bike lane, they're going

[36:09] to collide with their mirrors to an arrow.

[36:14] So I would ask that either they keep the lanes that the existing 12.5 or 13 feet, you're

[36:23] and narrow them. Also another problem. We need this traffic light at 5th and Main. If you have

[36:32] a traffic signal at Broadway in a four-way stop at Fort Street, with the way the cars

[36:40] queue from a four-way stop, and you're wanting to go east or west on 5th without that light,

[36:46] you ain't getting across. You're going to sit there and sit there and take unnecessary

[36:51] chances, so especially during a peak traffic hours. So please keep the light at

[37:01] 5th and Broadway. Perks years may 5th and Maine. One other observation that

[37:08] that brings up, where main is four lane. Keep the four lanes, put over it, signing in, have

[37:21] 43 traffic in the left lane, so they can negotiate the left turns to go across the bridge.

[37:30] For those wanting to go into downtown or to make right turns on fifth or fourth, a simple overhead signage would cover that.

[37:40] And then lastly, I don't think we need a bump out at every single intersection. Maybe every other or every third, but not every single one.

[37:53] So, I would ask that council deny municipal consent and send this back to the drawing board and make some revisions.

[38:04] Thank you.

[38:05] Thanks, Ted.

[38:06] Does anybody else from the public wish to speak to me during the record public hearing?

[38:11] Come on up.

[38:18] Okay, Glenn.

[38:18] Tell someone to invite what's fifth street.

[38:20] Really quick.

[38:21] I'll just follow what that said and completely agree with everything that he said.

[38:25] That's it.

[38:29] Thank you.

[38:29] I totally miss that.

[38:30] I am sorry, but thank you for coming.

[38:33] Okay, thank you.

[38:34] Very good.

[38:35] Appreciate it.

[38:37] All right, anybody else from the public?

[38:38] I'm going to keep the public hearing open,

[38:42] so that if you would like to present your slides,

[38:44] then they are in the public hearing.

[38:51] We might need them.

[38:51] I think council is probably going to dig into them.

[39:01] I also want to make a comment to the gallery.

[39:03] Commentary like, give it an audio, is very impactful,

[39:07] just to get up and give your name and say

[39:09] that you agree with the previous commenter is helpful commentary for us. We don't necessarily

[39:14] see who you're not in your head swim.

[39:20] So Brad will bring up the image for you.

[39:25] And I think

[39:26] if you want him to move left or right, you may have to ask him that you do have a zoom on your

[39:32] remote,

[39:35] which is the very top button. Okay, so public hearing is still open, so I'm going to allow

[39:40] her to do her presentation with the slides and then I'll close the public hearing and then we'll

[39:46] into the discussion.

[40:27] Okay. Brad, I think this is okay. We made us need, you know, she

[40:31] made direct. You left right Zoom.

[40:38] Can you zoom in a bit?

[40:43] Move it to the right.

[40:49] The other

[40:50] sorry. You're the right. You're the right. Alright, so here's the layout. We'll kind

[40:57] of start with the Winona Intersection. It's a very bottom of the screen and then going

[41:03] Brad, can you zoom in just a little bit more? If I'm struggling, I have a feeling that some

[41:08] of my other counselors are struggling too. Thank you, Brad.

[41:13] Great, so here's Winona Street, and four. So that light blue color is the no-one

[41:19] overlay shapes that's going to be all of the pavement. Anywhere you see the pink color that

[41:25] side blocker placement, the dark blues or driveways, and then the yellow is going to be

[41:32] new fold at the pavement and the red would be carbon gutter so you can see that first intersection

[41:39] I think that's Johnson it's well-meaning can you clarify the sidewalk detail proposed for

[41:46] sarnia street you'd said eight feet yes yep a long wake park that eight feet five of it will be

[41:54] sidewalk the remaining three feet will be it will all be paved with concrete so it will all

[42:00] like a sidewalk, but we put in like a three-foot buffer from the back of curb, just for horizontal offset to parked cars, so it'll be raised curbing gutter, and then eight feet of pay of the paid sidewalk.

[42:14] Yep, okay, thank you.

[42:18] If you keep moving up, you can see, I think, all that might be Johnson there, but we've got bump-outs, and then in the middle that giant yellow is an area where we've got storm sewer repair happening, keep going, can you go up to Maine?

[42:37] So there's main and poor existing signal coming to four-way stop, we are removing that raised

[42:45] median that's currently on main street between fourth and fifth, replacing with a left

[42:50] turn lane.

[42:52] You can see the bump-outs at the corners, you can just slowly move, as you go there,

[43:04] as

[43:04] zoomed it enough for people. So then Broadway, new signal there, no bumpouts at Broadway,

[43:16] turning movements, excuse me. Why no bumpouts at Broadway? To help with turning movements for vehicles

[43:22] and the additional way in there. Thank you so. Yep.

[43:29] So kind of as we keep going through this area,

[43:31] we've got more pockets aside walk, repair happening, and then the bumpouts at the corners.

[43:38] safer in to remove that parking as you get hosting intersections.

[43:44] I think I'm

[43:45] going to miss it, but eight street does have an existing RFB flasher that will be

[43:49] salvaged and reinstalled. The bus stop will be replaced in front of the college.

[43:56] Keep

[43:56] going.

[44:01] You might be so forward-weight main. We're proposing to remove an existing

[44:08] driveway. It does not currently go beyond the sidewalk, so we don't want people

[44:13] parking a car over the sidewalk, so that one's being proposed for the move-off, and the move-off.

[44:19] So, excuse me, as you're going down main, is this going to be parking on both sides and then the painted bike lane?

[44:28] Yeah, parking both sides, painted bike lanes on both sides, and 11 foot through lanes.

[44:35] Our next driver's move-off is here at the college.

[44:37] We've been coordinating with them.

[44:39] really they kind of moved their entrance on the side road, but they're seemed like they're on board closing that access point on 43

[44:48] In green here, this probably something looks like they're access point to that parking lot. Yep, in green we've got

[45:00] Accordinated with mendedot and with dot, yep, to improve rail crossings throughout full states, and I think you will know as well. So this will happen before our project.

[45:11] That rail road crossing is in really poor conditions, so that will be replaced, pavement, mediums or places, well, and then we will tie into that with our project.

[45:20] Keep going. Now we're along Sarnia. Now you're going to need to zoom out and find the

[45:27] other inset lower below and go to the far left I think.

[45:38] See you back into that lower

[45:39] direct angle on the bottom

[45:43] all the way.

[45:49] Alright, so here we're on Sarnia. A lot of

[45:52] the same bump outs where we can, drivelier replacements to improve our side

[46:00] keep moving much

[46:07] to highlight in this area. Same typical section parking

[46:11] on both sides, high foot bike lane, 11 foot lanes.

[46:18] We get to Franklin, I've been

[46:19] there it is. So Franklin has an existing signal. We are doing minor upgrades to

[46:25] only. We're going to move up all in the northeast corner, just to get it out of

[46:32] the path of trucks. It seems to be very close and the curb gets run over there

[46:37] We're going to do a little bit of improvements for truck turning at that corner,

[46:43] and adding a dedicated left turn lane, the Franklin Street.

[46:47] Otherwise, there's the sidewalk on the park, on the south side. It's being added.

[46:57] Here, you can see the bump outs with the yellow, you guys reasonably installed in our Fee crossing here at the bus stop.

[47:05] We are going to salvage and re-install that and then add bump-outs for it, so that would be new.

[47:14] Basically, just the same section to where we tie into Mendoza previous project for the roundabout and then Keto.

[47:24] Another bump-outs for the trail crossing at the park.

[47:37] With the app, are y'all done with the slides on everything?

[47:41] Great. I will close the public hearing.

[47:44] Mr. Mayor, maybe the council received a father report.

[47:48] Second, motion from Steve, second from George.

[47:52] Who wants to talk about this?

[47:56] I'm very interested to see the by-colance of Minnesota's formal letter

[48:00] and their proposed changes to this.

[48:02] I think this is a great opportunity for the city

[48:04] of one owner received some significantly improved by infrastructure

[48:09] that I don't need to tell very many of you how better

[48:12] current by infrastructure is. This seems like it's an amazing opportunity where we could

[48:19] make some common sense changes and we could make our roads safer for an entire user group.

[48:25] I don't need to remind anyone that we did have a cyclist fatality last summer on Broadway.

[48:36] Thanks, Sam. Jeff. And that's he. So is the purpose of this to ask them questions in regards to

[48:43] as it is, okay? So I went to the November meeting that you guys held here with all the drawings

[48:51] and I spoke to several of your representatives, perhaps it was even you may not. I brought up a couple

[48:56] of things and there's another additional. So, in putting in the sidewalk on the south side of Sarnia,

[49:05] for me going and looking at it, there are substantial number of trees that are going to have to be removed.

[49:11] Do you have an idea as to how many?

[49:17] We're still assessing that currently.

[49:20] We'll say this, we're trying to save as many as we can.

[49:25] We don't wish to remove trees that don't need to be removed.

[49:29] They're probably about a handful that are questionable.

[49:33] The root zone in relation to that sidewalk is a bit tight.

[49:40] And I would say we're still assessing the actual number of trees, but I think current

[49:47] count along the south side of Sarnia, I want to say we're probably about five or six trees,

[49:56] but again that's still being assessed.

[49:59] Okay, that's the stance because of the comments that I heard and that's what I passed on

[50:02] to you.

[50:03] Yeah.

[50:03] And at that point in time from the Statue in Sarnia, we see that there was a lot of interest

[50:07] and not losing those trees, and actually the city is invested in the money and planning

[50:11] the trees and caring for them. So it's a loss all the way around, both aesthetically

[50:17] and financially.

[50:20] I think the concern, obviously, that has been stated in regards to the

[50:25] bike lane, is a very serious one. I think it's something that we know about in Winona.

[50:29] For example, if you look at Hubstreet, for example, that goes along the other side of the

[50:36] University, you'll note that the city has eliminated parking on that street and those are just

[50:42] bike lanes now, specifically to get rid of this problem of cars, stripes, and too much traffic

[50:49] and congestion, which led to dangerous situations.

[50:52] So you're going to duplicate the exact thing that we eliminated on Main Street as to what

[50:59] we eliminated on Huff Street.

[51:01] But it's not a good mix when you have a ton of college students who are distracted.

[51:10] Let's put it on.

[51:11] You know, looking at phones, thinking about classes, whatever, a two solid lines because

[51:18] when classes in session, you can't find a party on Main Street and then add bikes into it.

[51:25] And those are cars that come and go as classes let out and don't as a lot of doors that

[51:29] open. It just seems like a disaster waiting to happen. So why would we duplicate that?

[51:36] So I'll answer the question this way. Much of the project, especially along Sarnia, we actually

[51:46] have the situation where we have parking and there are like marked bike lanes there today. So

[51:54] we're proposing to perpetuate that condition and try to make that a little safer.

[52:00] If there are other things, like you mentioned the other example where there is no parking,

[52:08] we would defer completely to the city if you wanted to eliminate parking along certain

[52:13] stretches of Main Street or that's not, we would be burned or per day.

[52:20] So that's not going to be a popular notion, not to be, and so what would be easier, I think,

[52:26] is what has

[52:30] I think it's pretending that this is safe. I mean, the parking will not get rid of. That's not possible. So I would consider that. You know, I understand you guys are working under design stands for it, says if it's this, it's going to be that. But I think, you know, to make this work, because ideally in my mind, I'm just going to say this once publicly, and then I won't belabor it anymore, because this is the other comment that I've received. It makes no sense that we're doing this right through the center of town. It would be much better if it went on 61 years ago.

[53:00] down to Pels are around and you eliminate all of these headaches.

[53:05] But I understand that's not possible, that isn't going to get done.

[53:08] We're not going to change that at this point.

[53:11] But I had to mention it.

[53:13] So let's go to Sarnia now.

[53:17] So if we're going to put in this sidewalk on the south side and we're going to potentially damage

[53:22] these trees wouldn't it make sense to make that a dedicated separate bike lane and then

[53:30] take the stripes off the streets and make a safer situation.

[53:36] So I think in order to make that it's completely separated by path we have to make it

[53:42] even wider than what we're proposing, which would damage more trees because you're proposing

[53:48] I'm sorry.

[53:49] You're proposing it's going to be 8 feet now.

[53:52] It's 8 feet, which for a 5 feet of it is essentially usable for pedestrians when you

[54:00] subtract away the 3-foot buffer zone from the curve line, what's the paved section?

[54:07] It's 8 feet, but 3 feet we don't really consider as usable.

[54:11] What's the bike path around the lake?

[54:16] Okay, our typical standards for a shared use path would be, I think, I believe, 10 to 12 feet is when we typically propose to so that we have two-way traffic possible on that, so my sense is that in order to do that it would have to get wider.

[54:36] The other piece that would be a little bit complicated there, too, is additional right-of-way needs from the park.

[54:44] So that park was established and purchased, I believe, with something that's called lock-on puns.

[54:50] That's administered by the Department of Interior.

[54:54] And if we have any real right-of-way acquisitions through that area, we have to work through a specific process called the 6th of process.

[55:04] the federal government to ensure that they're okay with that conversion to a different

[55:13] use load and parkland,

[55:17] okay that would make any sense at all, but I don't want to

[55:22] know what I'm going to say is there would be in addition to the additional width, okay,

[55:26] which could damage additional areas, the additional right away needs that would trigger some

[55:33] other regulatory loopholes that we'd have to get through.

[55:38] Okay, loopholes can be gotten through, but they're lengthy.

[55:43] As anything with the federal government for sure, it would seem like we have an opportunity

[55:49] here to improve things and it seems like the design although it does make improvements without

[55:54] a question for many aspects including especially pedestrian seems to be a really strong focus

[56:00] which I really appreciate.

[56:02] I think the bike thing is something

[56:05] that we're either going to,

[56:07] it seems like it would be better to forget it

[56:10] and not paint the lines.

[56:12] That would actually be safer than painting something

[56:15] and shrinking it and making it unsafe.

[56:19] I mean, I think we need to think out of the box here,

[56:22] if it's not too, you know, if we're gonna say,

[56:25] we can't make it wide enough and there's too much bureaucracy

[56:27] to make a separate bike lane.

[56:29] I don't necessarily agree with that, I don't necessarily believe that, but at the same time,

[56:34] then we, I think, based on what the testimony is said, and I look forward to, again,

[56:40] people that know more about the details of this than me, it would seem like we do have

[56:43] an opportunity if we can't make it better to not make it worse.

[56:48] So I would, I would like to hear more conversation around that.

[56:52] If I could respond to this specifically, the notion of eliminating the painted bike lane.

[57:01] So, in this case, we would defer to the city to make that call.

[57:07] If that's something that the city doesn't want, that's something that the city can express in writing to us as a condition for approval here.

[57:19] We went necessarily supported ourselves, but if the community feels otherwise, I think we would respect that.

[57:28] But I do have a couple of comments to make about that.

[57:32] If that were eliminated, there were no painted line there.

[57:36] No painted bike path.

[57:38] That space, it would remain, it would result in a very wide through lane,

[57:44] which would then encourage higher vehicle speeds potentially.

[57:47] And that could impact both bicyclists who are now sharing that land.

[57:53] And again, if we take the painted markings there, that doesn't necessarily prohibit bicyclists

[57:59] from using that.

[58:01] They're still legally allowed to bike on the road.

[58:05] And so there would not be an advantage of having a marked facility there.

[58:10] They would call attention for the driver to note that there is actually a marked bike

[58:16] there. So I would offer that for your consideration.

[58:24] I have vehicle speeds that could result would

[58:26] also be counter to min dots overall efforts here with safe system efforts. We know that reducing

[58:34] vehicle speeds requires multiple interventions. So it's not just a one magic bullet before that.

[58:42] So curb extensions or bike lanes alone will reduce speeds that much but together they could

[58:48] I have a bigger impact.

[58:52] That's what I have to say about that.

[58:54] OK, I appreciate that.

[58:55] And I mean, it's a good point.

[58:57] Just trying to think about the box here,

[58:59] because this is our chance of disengaging.

[59:01] I'm sorry.

[59:01] I'm not trying to monopolize this.

[59:03] But if you were to eliminate parking on one side,

[59:08] would that change what you could do for bike lanes?

[59:11] And what had you?

[59:12] Because on Sarnia, unlike Main Street,

[59:18] that it's not often that that is fully locked in other than or if there's a softball

[59:24] tournament. So I think that would take a little bit more

[59:27] study. It's hard for me to answer that there could be some advantages.

[59:33] There are also some

[59:34] things that would concern me too. I think your proposal would be maybe shifting lanes

[59:39] one side. I'm open to suggest. Yeah, I think that might complicate some of the turn movements.

[59:48] Okay. Off of Highway 43 under the side streets if we're pushing them closer. Things are pretty tight as they are.

[59:56] We've prepared.

[1:00:00] And sure that turning movements are still preserved for larger vehicles. So I would be concerned about that and without having drawn it up, it's hard to say whether that would be workable or not. Okay. And lastly, I promise.

[1:00:17] So you're going to do this, you're going to, in this process, you're, you're talking about putting in a new sidewalk on the south side, redoing the sidewalk on the north side of Sarnia.

[1:00:27] Is there any way that you could do one way by claims so that you didn't need as much girth or with on the sidewalk or on the separated side.

[1:00:37] One goes one way, one goes the other way.

[1:00:42] I think on the north side, where there's already sidewalk,

[1:00:49] widening that out is going to be fairly impactful

[1:00:52] to residents.

[1:00:54] There's not a lot of room on the boulevard side,

[1:00:58] and we've got concerns with 20-year-olds.

[1:01:03] Yeah, trees and people, the arts, and so expanding it

[1:01:06] the residents side, you know, we're looking at probably impacts to over a hundred

[1:01:13] persons. Okay. So that's that's problematic, I understand. Okay, I appreciate it.

[1:01:18] Thank you for your patience. You're most welcome. Steve.

[1:01:22] I'm going to make it real quick and that's just one question. Corner of Main Street

[1:01:27] and Sarnia. I drive that frequently. I actually drive this whole system frequently.

[1:01:31] That seems to be the pain point, especially large trucks, turning at that point. I'm

[1:01:36] I'm trying to look carefully at it, I get this tiny little diagram here.

[1:01:40] So are we taking steps to try to make that more truck-friendly?

[1:01:44] I don't trash your hook.

[1:01:46] But I'm waiting for them and I'm watching their challenges.

[1:01:50] They have getting around, they're just going to consider around about what are we doing to

[1:01:54] make sure that flow is a little faster.

[1:01:57] I think when asked Abby to address that, is Abby's been intimately involved with the

[1:02:01] design?

[1:02:07] Yes, that corner is problematic.

[1:02:09] So it's here, sorry, my directions are really bad with this layout, but your west-bound north-bound movement, that right turn.

[1:02:19] So we are putting in a compound curve there for the radius, so it's like two curves.

[1:02:23] It's a sharper one to kind of keep them bumped out where they need to be, so that they're turning wide.

[1:02:29] And then it's a flatter curve to give them more space to track their trailer, and stay with them laying, so we've run our turn movements, and it fits and it doesn't encroach on.

[1:02:39] the other lanes of traffic. So, that's kind of our solution for that corner.

[1:02:44] Glad to hear a penny of attention to it. I'll be watching.

[1:02:48] So much truck drivers, dotter. So, I caught a ride.

[1:02:50] So, I'll call for it.

[1:02:51] There you go. That house was for sale there.

[1:02:54] Yeah.

[1:02:54] But that tore that down and we did get that message to you.

[1:02:58] Thanks for that house, huh?

[1:03:00] We had asked, we had got a message to min dot through a couple different methods to purchase that house

[1:03:08] And make that much simpler to make that turn there, but we'll believe that you'll do well with the space that you have.

[1:03:19] So thank you.

[1:03:20] Thanks to you, Sam, and then Durham.

[1:03:24] Not to reopen everything that Councillor Hymer had discussed, but let's give back in.

[1:03:30] But I don't want to do that.

[1:03:31] If I was understanding you right, you were saying that we couldn't have a bike lane on the north side of Sarnia

[1:03:38] because it wouldn't be wide enough allowing for that three-feet buffer and the five-feet of pedestrian use.

[1:03:47] I don't know what Sarnia said we couldn't.

[1:03:49] I think that if we were looking at a wider path there on the north side, south side.

[1:03:59] That's right. The park side. Yeah, park side. There would likely be more tree impacts.

[1:04:07] Right.

[1:04:10] Anything else side of current mid-out right away, we would need additional real estate from the park.

[1:04:20] Right. Once we need more real estate from the park that automatically triggers,

[1:04:25] some other federal regulations known as six-off, and so there would be,

[1:04:33] let's say we can't do it. I think there would be some some additional

[1:04:38] regulatory hurdles, and then we would have to work through that are not quick to get

[1:04:46] through. And time is of the essence on this project. It is a matter of logistics here,

[1:04:55] So our funding for this project is for fiscal year 28.

[1:05:01] If we don't deliver a project in fiscal year 28,

[1:05:05] the funding that's attached to the project is no longer attached to it.

[1:05:11] It goes back into our general fund.

[1:05:14] And whatever project that we are envisioning,

[1:05:18] it gets moved back would have to compete for funding it again.

[1:05:21] and I can't ear into you that it could be built next year, it may be deferred a number of years.

[1:05:30] So, side-stuffing the property acquisition piece that you're telling me would be very difficult.

[1:05:35] I'm still struggling to see how an eight-foot sidewalk wouldn't be enough for pedestrian and cyclists,

[1:05:41] and I would encourage us to think creatively about how we can make that work.

[1:05:48] If Lake Path is 9, feet, this is one foot narrower, even if we say it's not a cyclist

[1:05:59] path.

[1:06:00] Well, as you know right now, bikes are going to be on it.

[1:06:02] We might as well just plan for them.

[1:06:05] We might as well give them a place to be.

[1:06:07] We have these discussions all the time about we need to have create a place for folk to

[1:06:13] be so they can be safe.

[1:06:14] This is that place, I really encourage looking at designing Sarnia specifically to have a protected

[1:06:24] bike lane that is raised in at the pedestrian, sidewalk level, aside not at the street level,

[1:06:31] for main street. So that was another piece that you had talked about and how we could remove parking,

[1:06:38] but likely aren't going to. Could we widen the sidewalks on each side of Main Street to create

[1:06:49] more space for pedestrians and cyclists?

[1:06:53] Again, I think that would take some additional investigation to see what those impacts

[1:06:56] are or I don't.

[1:06:58] On the top of my head, I don't know what that would be.

[1:07:00] investigation.

[1:07:07] All right.

[1:07:09] Really, my big takeaway that I would like you to have is that I would encourage

[1:07:16] looking at more space for cyclists that was the overwhelming community consensus.

[1:07:22] That is what I will be looking for as a counselor.

[1:07:31] Yeah, I'd like to shift the attention from bicycles to semis.

[1:07:42] First off, I am still waiting to hear a reason. Other than paperwork and politics, why we can't reroute truck traffic.

[1:08:01] to Pellzer and up Riverview and make get 60 foot tractor trailers out of downtown Winona and down Main Street and out of the Center at Town.

[1:08:18] To me this is a political rather than a physical structural issue and should be addressed at such and shouldn't be an impediment to making that.

[1:08:31] happened. Second I really appreciate Ted's observations and would like to bring them his

[1:08:42] observation particularly regarding the narrow truck lanes on Sarnia.

[1:09:01] We're going to

[1:09:02] How does that work?

[1:09:05] Can you speak to that or in those lanes?

[1:09:09] I think there's a feeling that we're squishing things down and understand that.

[1:09:19] The other question is to me.

[1:09:21] 11 foot lanes are used quite frequently in urban areas.

[1:09:25] I think Mr. Wochek even mentioned on I-94.

[1:09:28] We've got 11 foot lanes.

[1:09:30] 11-foot lanes many years ago was the standard. We have not found any operational difficulties with 11-foot lanes.

[1:09:38] The reason for the 11-foot lanes again is space allocation.

[1:09:44] Much of the corridor to allocate room for all users when it would be motorized traffic, being trucks, parking, or bicycles with the bike lanes.

[1:09:58] I'm concerned we're trying to do too many things with too little space, and I think that

[1:10:07] that's the other thing is the fifth street lack of a signal on fifth street. I've been using

[1:10:17] met intersection for 50 years and it's enough traffic backs up there as it is.

[1:10:30] I wouldn't want to, I think that the observation that without a stop signal on Main Street

[1:10:41] at that intersection, we're going to have some creating a hazardous situation, people are going

[1:10:50] to get frustrated and hop across the street. What's your studying, how do you, how do you,

[1:11:02] so we, what's the rationale for changing that? Yeah, so I'll do my best to explain that.

[1:11:10] So, there was a study that was conducted called an intersection control evaluation, an ISR port.

[1:11:17] It looks at these particular intersections that being forestry, fifth street, and Broadway, in particular, noting this project.

[1:11:25] And what is the appropriate traffic control device there?

[1:11:29] It was found that at Forest Street and fifth street, the actual warrants for a signal,

[1:11:37] We're not met.

[1:11:41] What would they be?

[1:11:42] I believe some of the warrants have to do it our way of volumes.

[1:11:48] Again, I wasn't intimately involved in that study, so I'm going off with memory here.

[1:11:55] And we can furnish that study as well if necessary.

[1:11:59] So warrants were not met at War 3 or 5th Street.

[1:12:03] It's found that the appropriate and most efficient way of managing traffic through the corridor with minimal delay on the highway 43 would be looking at it always stop at the fourth and main and then side street stop control is you may have noted at fifth street.

[1:12:24] We also recently conducted a gap analysis, so that looks at gaps between traffic from

[1:12:33] forestry to fifth street, to specifically identify weather, their gaps specifically for pedestrians

[1:12:40] to cross there, as well as vehicles crossing there.

[1:12:46] I believe what we found is there are more than enough sufficient gaps for those movements

[1:12:52] to happen without any deleterious effects.

[1:12:56] In addition, we're also looking at adding rectangular, flashing beacon at fifth street to

[1:13:03] help with some of the pedestrian crossings, or we know that there's a fair amount of pedestrian

[1:13:09] demand.

[1:13:10] There are two.

[1:13:12] So I think the conclusions of the intersection control, the valuation, the following

[1:13:17] those areas were found that the signals were not warranted and the most efficient means

[1:13:24] of managing traffic were the stop control conditions that I mentioned.

[1:13:31] I don't see here any consideration there that the fact that there's a performing arts center

[1:13:36] on the corner of the fifth and main, the post office of the corner of the fifth and main.

[1:13:42] I have a major apartment complex at Fifth and Main and a bank at Fifth and Main, all of which

[1:13:49] generate not only vehicular, but pedestrian traffic, and with no pedestrian crossing

[1:13:59] control there, you're creating a hazard, and I don't care how many times you bump out

[1:14:05] the curbs. Once you step off the curb into a uncontrolled traffic flow, you've created a serious

[1:14:13] a serious hazard, particularly at times when we're going to have people going, coming

[1:14:18] and going for performances at the center and other just during the day.

[1:14:29] Yeah, I'm not, I think that that's creating an unnecessarily hazardous situation.

[1:14:37] So I think to speak to that, that's why we're adding our FB and a flashing beacon there.

[1:14:43] But that's not going to stop traffic, sir.

[1:14:48] But it should when they're crossing.

[1:14:51] It's not a red light.

[1:14:55] We've also factored it.

[1:15:00] Or not only currently using a but projected to use it 20 years into the future. And we've also, as of last fall, took some more recent additional counts, both pedestrian and behavior accounts there.

[1:15:15] So those have all been factored into our decision, regarding that signal system there.

[1:15:22] It's been well-vetted amongst our traffic engineers and they feel pretty confident that

[1:15:29] we're proposing there is safe.

[1:15:32] Have they stood on the corner and tried to get across Main Street when it's busy?

[1:15:40] I can't speak for our traffic engineers.

[1:15:42] I know they are going to speak for the folks in Monona, let's have

[1:15:50] a look at that intersection.

[1:15:56] I don't know how you would do this, but there are two significant developments that are going to

[1:16:02] be coming online there. One, you have a whole new apartment complex with over a hundred units, a block away,

[1:16:09] and obviously the performing arts center coming on, that I think is going to impact that is

[1:16:14] way that you can, you say you cast forward 20 years, is there a way that, you know, that you have a.

[1:16:20] Yeah, those volumes are accounted for in our analysis.

[1:16:24] There is typically what happens with the development.

[1:16:28] There's some guidelines is usually produced by the Institute of Traffic Engineers that estimate the number of vehicles coming and going from a certain size of development.

[1:16:40] So we use that as a baseline estimate to add to our traffic

[1:16:45] colors, and then we factor that up to account for a growth

[1:16:49] in traffic over time.

[1:16:51] OK, thank you.

[1:16:54] Is there a comments?

[1:16:58] I'll email you, mine, all right?

[1:17:02] Thank you.

[1:17:03] All right.

[1:17:04] Hearing no other discussion, all those in favor?

[1:17:06] Say aye.

[1:17:08] Opposed?

[1:17:09] Motion passes.

[1:17:13] For the remainder of this meeting, residents are only

[1:17:15] out a speaker if they've ever requested for the council and ever recognize you to speak.

[1:17:21] We are going to move item 4.4 up to the front of petitions, requests and communications

[1:17:27] so that we can move some people along here.

[1:17:30] Under unfinished business being moved, 4.4 is the vote club lease agreement.

[1:17:35] The council is a pretty good question.

[1:17:38] Motion from Steve, second from Sam, any discussion?

[1:17:42] Hearing none.

[1:17:43] All those in favor say aye.

[1:17:45] Opposed?

[1:17:48] And one absentant.

[1:17:52] Thank you gentlemen for hanging out.

[1:17:54] Appreciate it.

[1:17:56] Thanks for being here.

[1:17:58] Under positions requesting communications.

[1:18:00] Item 3.1 is the appointment to the John Latch Memorial Parks and Recreation Commission.

[1:18:05] The Council confirmed the appointment.

[1:18:07] Second, motion from Steve 2 from Jerome any discussion.

[1:18:11] Hearing none.

[1:18:12] All those in favour say aye.

[1:18:14] Opposed?

[1:18:15] Motion passes.

[1:18:17] Item 3.2 is an appointment to the Creative Commission.

[1:18:20] With the Council to confirm the appointment.

[1:18:22] Motion from C to second from Sam.

[1:18:25] Any discussion? Hearing none.

[1:18:28] All those in favour say aye.

[1:18:30] All right.

[1:18:30] Opposed?

[1:18:31] Motion pencils.

[1:18:33] Item 3.3 is the Board's

[1:18:34] In Commission application announcement.

[1:18:36] Currently there is one opening on the Board of Adjustment.

[1:18:39] One current opening and three terms

[1:18:40] Experienced on the Citizens Environmental Quality Committee.

[1:18:43] One position expiring and thus one potential seat on the HRA, one seat on the John

[1:18:48] Ledge Memorial Parks and Recreation Commission, one seat on the Merit Board and three

[1:18:52] seats expiring and thus three potential seats on the Planning Commission.

[1:18:56] The Council received a file report.

[1:18:59] Motion from Steve 2 from Sam, all those in favour.

[1:19:02] Oh, I'm sorry.

[1:19:02] Any discussion?

[1:19:04] Hearing none.

[1:19:05] All those in favour?

[1:19:06] Stay high.

[1:19:07] High.

[1:19:07] Opposed?

[1:19:08] Motion passes.

[1:19:10] Item 3.4 is the Winona Senior High School Homecoming Parade Request for September 18th.

[1:19:16] With the Council for the Request.

[1:19:17] Motion from C second from Sam.

[1:19:19] Any discussion?

[1:19:22] Hearing none.

[1:19:22] All those in favour say aye.

[1:19:24] Post.

[1:19:26] Motion passes.

[1:19:27] Item 3.5 is a no parking request for Benedictine Open House event.

[1:19:31] With the Council for the Request.

[1:19:33] Motion from C second from Sam.

[1:19:35] Any discussion?

[1:19:37] Hearing none.

[1:19:38] All those in favour.

[1:19:39] say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes.

[1:19:43] I didn't 3.6 is a flat camera official statement.

[1:19:46] The council received in the file report.

[1:19:48] The motion from Steve, I will take the second from George.

[1:19:58] Any discussion?

[1:19:59] Are we going to read the statement?

[1:20:02] We'll be starting again.

[1:20:03] I think we should.

[1:20:05] Okay.

[1:20:10] Mayor and council message in the one on a police department,

[1:20:13] August 12th,

[1:20:15] In 2006, a lot of cameras have been effective and impactful resource for law enforcement.

[1:20:20] It helps solve crimes, prevent harm, and protect individuals who have been victimized.

[1:20:25] Since their implementation, the Mona Police Department has utilized flat cameras in locating a homicide,

[1:20:31] suspect locating individuals in crisis, and solving numerous cases involving hidden runs, stolen vehicles, and other offenses.

[1:20:39] Our department's use of flock has been guided by clear policies, appropriate training, and ongoing oversight,

[1:20:45] as with all our law enforcement practices, our use of flock is grounded in accountability,

[1:20:53] complies with state law, and is subject to applicable statutory audits.

[1:20:57] Importantly, we have had no instances of misuse.

[1:21:00] At the end of the day, however, our communities trust as the foundation of effective policing, and we've looked

[1:21:05] And we've worked hard to build and maintain that trust.

[1:21:09] Well, Flaq has been a valuable tool.

[1:21:11] We believe it's use has contributed to growing concerns about trust and policing both locally and across the state and nation.

[1:21:18] After careful consideration, the Winona PD has decided not to reinstall any Flaq cameras in the city of Winona.

[1:21:24] Our commitment is simple, protecting our community while maintaining the trust that makes at work possible.

[1:21:31] Technology will continue to evolve and with those advancements will come both opportunities

[1:21:35] and challenges.

[1:21:36] It will be important for law enforcement agencies and partnership with the communities

[1:21:40] they serve to have meaningful dialogue when it comes to future developments and decision-making.

[1:21:46] We believe that starts with trust and we will continue to do our best to earn and preserve

[1:21:50] that non-appleased department in all of Minnesota.

[1:21:54] Thank you.

[1:21:56] Any comments or questions or discussion?

[1:22:04] We've been talking about flock for a whole summer now.

[1:22:09] I want to say thank you to everyone who has reached out,

[1:22:11] email us, respectfully shared their thoughts.

[1:22:16] It's clear that this technology is not the right use for our community.

[1:22:22] I'm very thankful for the PD's statement and their reaffirmation

[1:22:25] information that community.

[1:22:30] I agree with that.

[1:22:37] I think it's been made clear to us as a city that moving forward with any similar technologies is not in line with what our community wants.

[1:22:51] I'm really struggling to find my words, which is unusual for me.

[1:22:59] More than anything I want to speak directly to the citizens of Winona and saying that you made your voices clear.

[1:23:07] Some of you and more appropriate ways than others, and I would like to continue to encourage those appropriate ways to reach out to local leaders.

[1:23:17] We mailing us, coming to public comment, those are appropriate ways.

[1:23:23] Just drawing public,

[1:23:27] just drawing public goods is not something that any of us would condom.

[1:23:35] Please continue to reach out to us with your thoughts, your feelings, so that we can advocate for issues that are most important to you.

[1:23:43] I've said this before, I will continue to say it.

[1:23:46] We cannot advocate for things that we do not know our issues for you.

[1:23:51] Please continue to let us know.

[1:23:53] Our emails are easily found on the city website,

[1:23:57] and it can truly be, and email is simple as saying,

[1:24:01] hey, I saw this was happening.

[1:24:03] I don't agree with it.

[1:24:05] It does not need to be significantly more than that

[1:24:07] to let us know where you stand,

[1:24:09] so we can lead our city in the direction that we all want.

[1:24:15] I'm disappointed that a vigilante took matters into their own hands.

[1:24:20] I think that we were at the point of that discussion regardless, and those actions did not speed up the timeline.

[1:24:28] Nor does it for a trip, one on it, in the light that we want.

[1:24:32] We are community that listens.

[1:24:35] We are a community that leads.

[1:24:38] Please continue to reach out to us and tell us what you think so that we can continue to represent you

[1:24:43] the way that's best. Thanks. Thanks, Ian. Any other comments?

[1:24:52] Yeah, this is a tough one. I agree wholeheartedly with the police

[1:24:57] statement in the outcome. I think it was demonstrated by public opinion that this

[1:25:03] was not popular, this was not warranted. I think it's difficult. I think we try

[1:25:10] really hard here to play by the rules and do things fairly, do things appropriately.

[1:25:19] I think sometimes these things get heated, they become a national issue, and I'll think

[1:25:24] at times people can flate misbehavior and other communities while that must be going

[1:25:31] on here when it's not, it's not warranted.

[1:25:34] And I think in this community,

[1:25:38] the police department has made a valid attempt and continues to try to earn the public's trust.

[1:25:46] I think that goes both ways.

[1:25:48] I think you need to assume good intentions at most times,

[1:25:52] and I think it's important that you don't conflate national issues to local ones.

[1:25:57] It's not to say that there isn't serious problems with flock, if you do, and obviously with

[1:26:04] misidentifying license plates, people being pulled over that warrant, that we're misidentified,

[1:26:12] that is well documented, but it didn't happen here that I am aware of, or that has

[1:26:18] been reported.

[1:26:19] So I think it's important.

[1:26:21] I do echo Sam's comment, I think it's absolutely critical that we hear from you.

[1:26:28] I think there is a, and I think the majority of people that contacted us did so

[1:26:33] plightly and reasonably, there was a minority of folks that were not polite or reasonable.

[1:26:41] And it doesn't amplify your point of view by being derogatory.

[1:26:46] I think we all need to work on civility in this day and age, and it starts here.

[1:26:53] So thank you for the comments, and that's about all we got.

[1:26:58] Thank you, sir.

[1:26:59] And there are comments, questions, and discussion?

[1:27:02] Thank you.

[1:27:07] I fully trust that when on a police department, I believe they set rigorous standards for

[1:27:12] this technology and create a robust local auditing policy, however, while I don't like

[1:27:18] awarding bad behavior. I am glad to see the block cameras gone. Call me and conspiracy theorist

[1:27:25] all you want. The surveillance data is incredibly powerful, highly valuable and dangerously

[1:27:31] profitable. I simply cannot trust a private corporation like Block Safety safeguard that information

[1:27:38] when everyone wants a piece of it. A nationwide surveillance state feels inevitable, but I

[1:27:45] and nearly every night heard from appreciate the chance to take a pause.

[1:27:50] Thanks, Faith.

[1:27:52] Did your comments question their discussion?

[1:28:01] I'm

[1:28:04] more concerned about what this represents than what it was.

[1:28:16] License plate readers are hardly high-tech.

[1:28:22] 35 states you drive down the inner state and you're going to get pay your toll because

[1:28:28] the camera over the highway has identified you by license plate.

[1:28:33] Drive through a small town in Iowa, a little too fast and a few weeks later you get

[1:28:39] bill for a hundred bucks in the administrative citation based on a camera.

[1:28:47] These things are out there.

[1:28:50] We've heard from our local police that this have been useful in doing their work.

[1:28:59] And objectively,

[1:29:02] what those cameras were doing out there was no different than having an

[1:29:07] officer in the squad car, we're looking for a license plate, it's technology,

[1:29:20] it's a different

[1:29:20] means

[1:29:24] what I'm disturbed by is the fear that has been expressed

[1:29:36] so dramatically that we

[1:29:43] as a nation, as a culture, are falling into what might be called a surveillance state,

[1:29:52] It's been termed that, that...

[1:30:00] Foundly distrustful of each other and of our government that fear has been fostered by the chaos

[1:30:17] we've seen, fostered by federal agencies that has created a profound distrust in authority and law enforcement

[1:30:37] in particular.

[1:30:41] And I'm, that's what disturbs me about this. This is the, the focus that this

[1:30:50] cause. What would have been, I dare say, a decade ago, 15 years ago, a case of local

[1:31:02] vandalism has turned into a national issue. And that's not because of licensed plate

[1:31:13] It covers a real change in our cultural attitudes and the way we feel about each other and our government and that's what's got to change.

[1:31:28] Thanks, Jerome.

[1:31:29] Any other comments?

[1:31:30] Questions or discussion?

[1:31:32] Hearing none?

[1:31:33] All those in favour?

[1:31:34] Say aye.

[1:31:35] Opposed?

[1:31:36] Motion passes?

[1:31:41] Item 3.7 is the city of one-on-one legal debt limit update.

[1:31:44] You know, the council received a father report.

[1:31:47] Motion from Steve, second from Steve.

[1:31:58] Council will wait for Brad to get the presentation up.

[1:32:10] I think

[1:32:22] it's a good segue into the presentation.

[1:32:27] We talk about public trust.

[1:32:31] We want to make sure that we come back to the public and

[1:32:36] and describe what the city of Illinois's legal

[1:32:41] death limit is and how we've arrived at this point.

[1:32:47] Remember on July 6th, I presented this slide to the city of

[1:32:51] Illinois, this slide was produced and provided to the city of

[1:32:56] Illinois by our financial advisors Baker Tilly.

[1:32:59] They could Tilly use this exact slide in their presentation in

[1:33:03] January of 2026, to describe the city's legal debt limit,

[1:33:11] which in this slide, which is

[1:33:14] incorrect, showed that the city's legal debt limit was 105 million with 4.9 million

[1:33:23] outstanding, which left us a capacity of just over 100 million. During the July 6 presentation,

[1:33:31] I showed four slides that looked something like this.

[1:33:34] I indicated that the city has provided by Baker Tilley.

[1:33:38] At the city had a legal debt capacity of 105 million.

[1:33:42] She'll be slides in how projects that the city is at least

[1:33:47] considering or undertaking impact that debt capacity.

[1:33:54] That number was incorrect.

[1:33:56] The number that Baker Tilley provided is wrong.

[1:34:01] And this is the statement from Baker Tilley.

[1:34:05] Baker Tilley municipal advisors LLC Baker Tilley has identified

[1:34:09] the discrepancy and the information previously provided

[1:34:12] to the city of Winona, Minnesota related to the calculation

[1:34:15] of the city's legal debt limit.

[1:34:17] Upon further review, it was determined that the debt limit

[1:34:20] calculation was based on incorrect estimated market value.

[1:34:23] We sincerely apologize for the oversight and any confusion that may have caused the correct

[1:34:29] calculation that they provided to the city, make or till we appreciate the opportunity

[1:34:33] to correct the record and remain committed to providing the city of Winona and accurate

[1:34:38] and reliable information.

[1:34:43] So we, that night on July 6th there were several comments about where we get the legal

[1:34:48] that limit from Bakertilly has shown two calculations, and this is the corrected amount.

[1:34:55] The items in red is what I'd like us to focus on, I guess, starting from the bottom

[1:35:00] up, because this is as of August 11th, 2026.

[1:35:05] This number really changes on a regular basis, and there's a lot of factors that go into

[1:35:11] that.

[1:35:11] That's why the date is important.

[1:35:13] And the source is the Minnesota Department of Revenue.

[1:35:17] The proposed going back from the top down, proposed pay 2026, estimated market value was 2.5

[1:35:24] billion, illegal debt limit is 3% which means that legal debt limit for the city is 77.5

[1:35:32] million dollars.

[1:35:33] If you subtract the debt that's subject to that limit, you'll notice it's less than 4.9

[1:35:39] that's because the city has made payments.

[1:35:41] This year to our debt service, which leaves the remaining capacity based on the Minnesota Department of Revenue at 73.1 million.

[1:35:53] Baker Tilly is also provided this correction, again working from the bottom up.

[1:35:57] This is also taken on August 11th, 2026.

[1:36:00] The source is the Winona County valuation worksheet.

[1:36:04] This is not a certified amount, but it is a valuation worksheet from the county.

[1:36:08] Again, the proposed estimated market value for 2026 is 2.5 billion, 3% is the legal debt

[1:36:16] percentage that leaves a legal debt limit according to the county evaluation worksheet

[1:36:21] of 77.4 million.

[1:36:25] You subtract out our current debt remaining capacity is 72.9, so a couple hundred thousand dollars,

[1:36:32] which worth thousand dollars is significant.

[1:36:34] We went from 73.1 from the state of Minnesota to 72.9 from the county.

[1:36:42] There's a lot of numbers on the sheet I don't expect you to read all of them.

[1:36:46] This would be straight from the city of Winona's financial statement.

[1:36:51] That's why in the bottom of the red is the city's valuation unordated for December 31, 2025.

[1:36:57] at the end of 2020-25,

[1:37:05] we had a legal debt limit of 66 million point six. Again, this

[1:37:10] is done by the city, but I want to help with the North County. It is looked at, even though

[1:37:14] it says unordered, anything that is in our financial statement is reviewed by Abdo,

[1:37:19] we mentioned that in the presentation July 6th. There was anything that looked unusual in that

[1:37:25] Remember they would have slagged.

[1:37:30] So, if we rewind July 6, then we read, issue the charts or slides that we showed. We have changed the city of Winona's debt capacity to 73 million. In the first slide I showed the example is if the wastewater treatment plant at $33 million was taken out in debt and the 61 million for the public safety building in the Bayage.

[1:37:57] And you added our current debt, which on July 6, was 4.9, with the $73 million debt capacity.

[1:38:05] We'd be 25.9 million over our debt capacity.

[1:38:10] We would not be allowed to do that.

[1:38:12] However, remember from the presentation, at the $33 million wastewater treatment,

[1:38:16] doesn't count toward our debt capacity because it is a revenue bond.

[1:38:20] So we go with the theory that the city of Winona would take out debt at 61 million for

[1:38:25] a public safety building combined with our $4.9 million and current debt that would leave

[1:38:31] 7.1 million in our total debt capacity.

[1:38:37] We did also mention that if the city was to take the debt out through the port authority,

[1:38:44] that the Port Authority debt taken out for the public safety building does not count against

[1:38:51] the city of Winona's debt capacity, so if you take our current debt it's 4.9 this would

[1:38:59] leave approximately 68.1 million in available debt for other projects. I would note that the

[1:39:08] 73 million does change, this will change before we bond, this number will come back, and the bonding decision is asked of counsel, so that number will change, but on a two correct Baker Tilly's assessment of our deck capacity.

[1:39:27] I would also note this that this is not meant to be an epharius circumvention of the law.

[1:39:36] We have a port authority, whether we have a referendum or not.

[1:39:42] The council has the ability to issue debt through the port to keep the city of Loneona's legal debt limit low,

[1:39:50] So that we can take out more debt for projects that may be warranted or for operations.

[1:39:58] So I'll note this again, if the city has a referendum, as a hypothetical.

[1:40:03] And the community says 52% say move forward, 48% say do not move forward.

[1:40:10] And the council chooses to move forward.

[1:40:13] You have a tool because we have a port of authority to move that debt and bond that debt through the port of authority.

[1:40:19] So it doesn't count against the city's legal debt limit.

[1:40:24] But as was mentioned tonight by a member of the public that came to public comment,

[1:40:28] the heart of the issue aside from debt capacity is the cost of the buildings.

[1:40:34] Either way, whether you take this debt out through the Port Authority or the city,

[1:40:37] you have to consider whether or not you want to take out that much debt.

[1:40:42] That is the issue.

[1:40:43] Taxpayers pay it back.

[1:40:45] Pate back either through attacks, levy, or if you choose through utility fees, through franchise fees,

[1:40:52] how are that, how are that may be?

[1:40:55] We're just simply saying that there is a tool, because we are one of those unique communities

[1:41:00] that has a port of authority to take that out.

[1:41:07] Any questions, comments?

[1:41:08] I'd be happy to entertain them.

[1:41:10] Sam?

[1:41:11] Well, then I'll come down with you.

[1:41:13] I'm sticking up first.

[1:41:14] Okay, see.

[1:41:17] Thank you for the explanation.

[1:41:18] I am really disappointed with this happened.

[1:41:22] I can't believe it.

[1:41:24] I understand where we've got a new relationship with the Baker Tilley.

[1:41:28] We were promised that they were competent and new what they were doing.

[1:41:34] And I understand numbers.

[1:41:37] I understand business.

[1:41:40] I've worked with corporations that have made errors.

[1:41:43] But wow.

[1:41:44] This, this, we really rely on these numbers.

[1:41:47] we took presentations. We were making decisions on these numbers. I'm less than impressed. I appreciate the

[1:41:56] apology. Fine. But not impressed with what happened.

[1:42:07] And I'll accept their apology,

[1:42:11] but not impressed. Thanks.

[1:42:12] Thanks, Steve.

[1:42:14] Do you want to go then?

[1:42:15] Yeah.

[1:42:16] To echo Councillor Young, this is an embarrassing oversight by Baker Tilly.

[1:42:22] Using our entire estimated market value instead of taxable parcels, only is not only clearly outlined in the state staff to you for a financial advisor who primarily

[1:42:33] advises on dead service, this is an embarrassing oversight. I also want to clarify

[1:42:39] for the public that table 20 that was referenced in the City Managers presentation

[1:42:44] also does not have the correct figure it uses assessed value instead of taxable

[1:42:50] parcel EMV. I've brought this up before. I am upset about this discrepancy. I'm glad

[1:43:02] we found a resolution to this billion dollar error. But unfortunately, it was the most concerning

[1:43:08] resolution that we could have found. Effectively, our financial advisors overinflated

[1:43:13] our income is a city by a billion dollars. To put this into a household context, if any

[1:43:18] of us trying to get a house, trying to get a mortgage. And we overinflate our mortgage by $100,000

[1:43:26] to make sure that we get the loan. First of all, could we actually afford that house?

[1:43:31] And second, is not mortgage fraud.

[1:43:35] This is a huge error.

[1:43:37] An error so big that it should give all of us pause.

[1:43:42] If these numbers are off, what other numbers could be off?

[1:43:47] What else is wrong?

[1:43:49] What else are we missing?

[1:43:51] We owe it to those we serve and represent to wait and hear out the county,

[1:43:57] especially in the face of a billion dollar error.

[1:44:03] We all, as city of Winona Taxpayers, are paying for the county's LEC renovation study.

[1:44:09] And we owe it to each other to wait and see what they find.

[1:44:14] We have just learned that people that we trust to give us accurate information didn't.

[1:44:22] With this much doubt in our process, it's essential.

[1:44:27] that we hear another opinion.

[1:44:30] I know that police and fire both need improved facilities.

[1:44:34] No one at this table is doubting that police and fire

[1:44:38] can need improved facilities.

[1:44:40] We have all walked through the facilities.

[1:44:42] We understand how desperately we need renovations.

[1:44:48] And I want to remind everyone that the current proposal on the table

[1:44:51] is not the only way that we get police and fire what we need.

[1:44:56] and as well.

[1:45:00] Way, fiscally responsible. Thank you. Thanks. Other comments? Questions? Discussion?

[1:45:11] Okay. Yeah, I'm building dollars with a B. That's, that's, that's a class here. And then, and as the other council person said, that's disappointing to say the least.

[1:45:29] I think at this point, it's also, we're at a point where we need to probably press the pause

[1:45:39] button.

[1:45:39] I think it's something we need to contemplate between now and the next meeting when we're

[1:45:44] scheduled to get an option to buy property.

[1:45:47] I think it's a good point and time to think about this.

[1:45:53] So, with this debt limit now more accurately appraised, even if we can avoid the limits by moving things through a port authority, I think that defeats the purpose of why there is debt limits and the state issues these.

[1:46:16] The idea is so you don't get yourself in trouble because regardless of whether the debt goes

[1:46:24] through the county or excuse me whether the debt goes through the port authority or whether

[1:46:28] the debt goes directly through the city, it's the same people that have to pay the debt.

[1:46:34] So, you know, to me that's really an argument in semantics because the debt is still incurred

[1:46:41] whether it fits the profile of the limit and I, to me, I'll add in the, the, the water treatment debt that we have to repay.

[1:46:51] We still have to repay it.

[1:46:53] And so it really becomes a, it becomes a move point where we can move it or not.

[1:46:59] The point, the question is, is can we afford it?

[1:47:01] And I don't think we've determined that.

[1:47:05] I would agree.

[1:47:06] I think from all the people that I have heard from in the community,

[1:47:09] I am hearing nothing but positive, I am hearing no negatives towards doing something for police and fire.

[1:47:18] I think the community recognizes that something needs to be done.

[1:47:22] But what the community is also asking for is what are the options, and they're asking for a voice.

[1:47:29] Whether we do a series of public meetings, whether we do a referendum, there is no way that we can bond this much money without getting some public information.

[1:47:39] direct public opinion. It's just not good government if we don't. And so I understand there's

[1:47:47] you know, that's something that we need to figure out, but this is the point to do so.

[1:47:53] The county voted five nothing, which is a rare occurrence over at the county, to support

[1:48:00] the study that included the police department with the sheriff department. And so I think

[1:48:08] It is the minimum to wait to hear what that is to see if that is something that we can utilize.

[1:48:15] I think we also need to go back and take a look at what are other options, and there aren't a lot.

[1:48:21] There's nothing that anybody has purposely overlooked, but I think we need to reassess and see if there's a different way that we can do this and come up with a couple of options.

[1:48:33] And the key point is get public opinion on those options so that we can go forward as a

[1:48:40] commitment with the community behind us because I don't want to be distracted by trying to

[1:48:47] push something through that is very expensive that the community has not been able to weigh

[1:48:52] in on.

[1:48:53] I think you set yourself up to get way laid down the road by again, not that people aren't

[1:48:59] supportive, but they haven't had a voice.

[1:49:03] And I think that's the dangerous thing to try to do,

[1:49:06] plain and simple.

[1:49:08] So I hope that we can take some time

[1:49:10] between now and the next meeting to consider

[1:49:12] how and what ways could we get public opinion

[1:49:17] on the options that are available to us?

[1:49:20] And we're going to need to flesh out those options.

[1:49:24] One of them is the one we have in front of us.

[1:49:27] And collectively, if the community comes back

[1:49:28] says, hey, of the ones that you pointed out, this is the best one, right, 100% I'll be

[1:49:34] behind it.

[1:49:36] But without public opinion and having an opportunity to weigh in, it's almost impossible

[1:49:43] to go forward with that in my mind, for me, along.

[1:49:47] So that's, I think, probably enough, so we'll try to get out here before 10 tonight.

[1:49:52] Thank you.

[1:49:52] Thanks, Jeff. Any other comments? Questions?

[1:49:57] Question? Hearing none. All those in favour? Say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passives?

[1:50:05] Second, there are unfinished business. Item 4.1 is the contract award for the

[1:50:10] 2026 Huff Street Waterman Crossing. The Council I doubt the resolution.

[1:50:15] Second. Motion from Steve, second from Sam, any discussion?

[1:50:21] Hearing none. All those in favour? Say aye. Aye.

[1:50:27] I didn't forward point two is the contract award for the 2026 lead service line project because we'd have the resolution.

[1:50:35] Second motion from Steve second from Sam any discussion.

[1:50:38] George.

[1:50:40] We're okay with this little bid Brian.

[1:50:49] We did look into precision and their references are stellar.

[1:50:53] They did 1250 of these in Minneapolis, so they've got plenty of experience.

[1:50:58] pretty confident that they'll do a good job. Okay, and how long will it take them? What all these be done this year yet?

[1:51:07] Depending on whether or not all the pens on when they can start and everything else

[1:51:12] we don't want to let them really get them broken up and then not be able to look at black toughness

[1:51:17] so that's going to be one of the major factors

[1:51:21] The completion date isn't until next spring so we factor to that end just in case they can't get it done

[1:51:28] Thank you. Thanks, President.

[1:51:33] Any other comments?

[1:51:34] Questions or discussion?

[1:51:36] Hearing none? All those in favor say aye?

[1:51:39] Opposed? Motion passes?

[1:51:43] Item 4.3.

[1:51:50] The council is your request.

[1:51:51] Second?

[1:51:52] Motion from Steve Second from Jerome on that one and

[1:51:55] we do other presentation from staff.

[1:52:06] Mayor and Council.

[1:52:06] I'm going to give a brief overview tonight

[1:52:08] at the new fixed-face operator agreement for the

[1:52:11] Winona Municipal Airport.

[1:52:12] As council may recall, the city issued an RFP for FBO of services in January, proposals were

[1:52:19] due February 10th and on March 2nd, council unanimously selected Hartley and Aviation as

[1:52:24] a successful proposal and directed staff.

[1:52:30] And Heartland Aviation has adopted the business name River City Aviation, which is the name they will operate under here in Winona.

[1:52:38] River City Aviation will officially take over as the primary fixed face operator at the Winona Municipal Airport, beginning May 1, 2027.

[1:52:48] One of the major goals during this negotiation was to update and simplify the city's contractual relationship with the FBO.

[1:52:54] The previous FVO operated under five separate agreements with the city and some of those agreements were nearly 40 years old.

[1:53:03] Rather than simply updating each of those individual agreements, staff felt this is a good opportunity to take a comprehensive look at the relationship between the city and the FVO.

[1:53:12] And make sure the agreement reflects how the airport operates today.

[1:53:15] The result is one modernized comprehensive lease and services agreement that consolidates the previous agreements and more clearly defines the responsibilities

[1:53:23] about the city and the River City Aviation.

[1:53:29] There are several key terms of the agreement that I need to highlight.

[1:53:32] The initial term is five years.

[1:53:34] It's begins on May 1st, 2027, and running through April 30th, 2032.

[1:53:39] There are then three additional five year renewal terms available.

[1:53:44] River City Aviation will pay the city $46,000 annually

[1:53:47] with a 3% annual increase.

[1:53:50] Those payments will be made in two installments each year.

[1:53:53] The city would also receive a few fuel fee of 10 cents per gallon, which will be paid monthly.

[1:54:00] Another change involves the tea hangers. Under the new agreement, River City Aviation will manage all five of the tea hangers,

[1:54:07] rather than having management responsibilities divided between the city and the FBO.

[1:54:12] Currently, the FBO manages two and the city manages three.

[1:54:18] This slide gives an overview of the services River City Aviation will be responsible for providing

[1:54:23] The core FBO services include aviation fuel sales, rampant apron services, aircraft parking,

[1:54:30] storage tie-down services, and pilot and customer services.

[1:54:34] Aircraft maintenance may also be provided.

[1:54:37] Revisitiation will also assist responsibilities for the operation of the airport.

[1:54:43] Those include providing 24-7 colon service, helping with conducting a runway inspections,

[1:54:49] response, responding to hazards if there are any coordinating—cording not, kind of thing

[1:54:55] is called not to measure an OTA correct me, Brian, Phillipsfeld. When necessarily, when

[1:55:01] necessary monitoring runway lighting and advising pilots, it feels conditions, they will

[1:55:07] also be responsible for the general upkeep and day-to-day operation of the least areas.

[1:55:13] The agreement includes additional reporting requirements as well.

[1:55:17] Reversity aviation will provide an annual report regarding airport conditions and activities as well as an annual presentation to the council.

[1:55:25] Maintenance and repair responsibilities.

[1:55:28] One area where we spent quite a bit of time during negotiations was clearly defining maintenance and repair responsibilities.

[1:55:36] Under the agreement, River City Aviation is generally responsible for the day-to-day

[1:55:41] upkeep of the areas it occupies.

[1:55:44] That includes such things as cleaning, cleaning supplies, replacing light bulbs, filters,

[1:55:49] addressing minor leaks, snow and ice removal around doorways, sidewalks and pedestrian

[1:55:54] areas.

[1:55:56] They are also responsible for damage caused by the FEO.

[1:55:59] It's employees, tenants from the tea hangers, things like that.

[1:56:02] The city is responsible for maintenance and repairs of the city owned buildings and assets.

[1:56:09] This includes roofs, exterior walls, doors and windows, plumbing,

[1:56:14] HVAC, electrical and fire systems, and other repairs.

[1:56:19] The city will also continue to be responsible for airports, snow-plowing,

[1:56:24] and maintenance of the city owned fuel facility.

[1:56:27] The intent here was to establish a much clearer division between the FBO's responsibility for

[1:56:32] every gate upkeep and the city's responsibility as the owner of the building's.

[1:56:39] While the city is taking responsibility for building maintenance and repairs, it is important

[1:56:44] to point out that those obligations are tied to the annual budget approved by the city council.

[1:56:49] Before the city's annual budget process, river city aviation and conjunction with the city

[1:56:58] needs will then come to the city's normal budget process, and ultimately, council will determine

[1:57:03] how much funding is allocated for airport maintenance and repairs each year.

[1:57:08] If a repair or replacement comes up during the year, that was not included in that

[1:57:12] approved budget, that expenditure would require separate council approval.

[1:57:19] So, while the agreement identifies the city's responsibilities, it also maintains council's

[1:57:23] authority over the amount of city funding that is committed to those repairs each year.

[1:57:29] Lastly, another important provision of this agreement is a facility assessment within 30 days of the agreement's effective date.

[1:57:36] The city engineer and building official will begin evaluating the lease premises.

[1:57:41] The evaluation may include physical inspections and other studies or investigations of the building's structural conditions, environmental conditions,

[1:57:49] and other issues that may need to be addressed out there.

[1:57:52] A written report will then be prepared that identifies that work that is needed, estimated cost, and anticipated timing.

[1:58:00] That report will then be provided to the city manager and river city aviation within 90 days of the agreement's effective date.

[1:58:08] The purpose of this assessment is to really give the city and river city aviation clear understanding of the conditions of the facilities

[1:58:14] and what work may need to occur before and after River City Aviation takes over on May 1st,

[1:58:21] 2027.

[1:58:24] Finally, the agreement includes a provision that allows both parties to revisit the agreement

[1:58:29] in the future.

[1:58:31] The getting May 1st, 2031, either the city or River City Aviation, can request that the

[1:58:36] agreement be reviewed and renegotiated by providing 30 days written notice.

[1:58:41] The agreement can also be reviewed at any time if significant capital increments to the

[1:58:45] report facilities are proposed or completed.

[1:58:49] If either party request, renegotiate, renegotiation, the city, and river city aviation

[1:58:54] have 180 days to renegotiate any proposed amendments.

[1:59:00] If the parties cannot agree on changes, the existing agreement does not automatically

[1:59:04] terminate.

[1:59:04] It simply remains in effect under its existing renewal, termination and default provisions.

[1:59:11] This gives both parties an opportunity to revisit the agreement as airport operations

[1:59:15] and facility needs change without requiring that the entire agreement being negotiated

[1:59:20] really negotiated every single time.

[1:59:24] With that?

[1:59:27] Any questions?

[1:59:28] Does anybody have any questions?

[1:59:33] No.

[1:59:34] All right.

[1:59:35] Same.

[1:59:36] Go ahead, Jill.

[1:59:38] Could we go back into the presentation to the third slide where it outlined the annual rent and fuel payments?

[1:59:48] And could you, if you are able, I think it was back a couple of some more slides.

[2:00:00] What was the rent prior to this? And what was our fuel payment prior to this?

[2:00:10] So Mayor and console, before we were, I think believe we were accepting four cents per gallon for the fuel.

[2:00:15] So this is an, obviously, an inclusion.

[2:00:18] And then the, the annual rent is a little bit harder to compare apples to apples.

[2:00:25] Before we were collecting rent solely on the administrative buildings, and we were ourselves

[2:00:32] renting out three of the tea hangers.

[2:00:34] The FEO had, he was paying a very small fee for the other two hangers, and then he

[2:00:40] entered, you know, rented those out and kept that income.

[2:00:44] Combined total, I think it was about $7,500.

[2:00:48] Okay, however, that you have to remember that the city was renting out two of the

[2:00:51] and keeping that income. So, it's pretty comparable. I think when you added all up, is

[2:00:57] if everything is at max capacity, this would be very similar. It's just that the city

[2:01:01] won't be responsible for renting those out, trying to collect those payments themselves. We

[2:01:05] would just give the money twice a year. So, if I'm hearing it right, our annual rent is about the

[2:01:12] same. Correct. And then our fuel payments that come in monthly, we increase that by 150 percent.

[2:01:20] Correct. Wow. That is that is quite a change. Thank you for this renegotiation. Thanks

[2:01:29] him. Any other comments? Questions? No. Thank you, Amy. Appreciate it. Hearing none. All those

[2:01:37] in favor. Say aye. Aye. Aye. Motion pass. Under new business. Sorry, you make

[2:01:46] I don't 5.1 is a request to set the date for the public hearing to consider the resolution

[2:01:52] to levy assessments for unpaid charges.

[2:01:55] Do the council doubt the resolution?

[2:01:57] Second.

[2:01:59] Motion from Steve, second from George.

[2:02:02] We do have Jessica here.

[2:02:04] I mean, council.

[2:02:06] This agenda item is to set the date for the public hearing on September 21st.

[2:02:11] In preparation for the public hearing, I just wanted to give an overview of the process.

[2:02:16] State statute allows for special assessments on unpaid water and sewer bills.

[2:02:22] Before assessing properties for unpaid water and sewer bills, water was shut off for doing clean accounts.

[2:02:35] As of today there are at noon there were 627 properties on the list.

[2:02:43] Many of those would have had water turned off due to non-payment.

[2:02:49] The updated value of the assessment are 340,400 which is 22.6% of the estimated wastewater

[2:03:01] bond payment, or 2.4% of a tax study,

[2:03:11] payments can be made by homeowners in person over

[2:03:15] the phone online and at our drop box. In the forms of cash, check credit and debit cards

[2:03:21] and ACH. Utility bills and late notices are sent on a regular basis and have been sent

[2:03:29] to everybody who is on this list throughout the year,

[2:03:34] the city works with individuals who contact

[2:03:37] the finance department wishing to make a payment plan.

[2:03:42] Currently, there are seven properties that are on the payment plan.

[2:03:48] Special assessments are the last step in the process to collect.

[2:03:54] Statue also allows special assessments for code violations

[2:03:57] listed in on the assessment list. This process starts with a complaint to the inspection

[2:04:05] department. Notice our posted and mailed multiple inspections take place photos are taken

[2:04:13] before and after. Contractors perform the work and build a city, the city then builds a

[2:04:21] homeowner's plus and then administrative. Homeowners can contact the inspection department

[2:04:26] not with questions and concerns, and again, special assessments are the last step in this process.

[2:04:35] Thank you.

[2:04:36] Thank you, Jessica.

[2:04:37] Any questions?

[2:04:39] Thank you for that overview.

[2:04:41] In the future, I would appreciate if that overview was included in the agenda cover page so that

[2:04:47] it's more easily accessible for the public and public record.

[2:04:50] But it was a great opportunity.

[2:04:52] Thank you very much.

[2:04:55] Thanks, Ian.

[2:04:57] Thanks for the overview just kind of I appreciate the city really tries to work with people

[2:05:02] you know because everybody's in different you know has a different set of circumstances

[2:05:06] and so I think it's important that you know we're trying and that a lot of this is the last resort

[2:05:13] after you know right things have been tried so I think it's important to know that we're accessible

[2:05:18] and that will work with folks

[2:05:21] who made, you know, for whatever reason be going through a hard time or having a difficulty in making payments for water in that type of thing.

[2:05:30] So thank you.

[2:05:31] Thanks Jeff.

[2:05:33] Any other comments or questions?

[2:05:40] Call out any specific properties, but I'm seeing some of these amounts at like $7.

[2:05:47] How does that happen?

[2:05:49] I'm no one gets a water bill for $7.

[2:05:53] So, obviously, I believe seven dollars is the quarterly amount for the storm sewer charge,

[2:06:01] the minimum charge, so they likely have the minimum or the unoutstanding storm sewer charge for one quarter.

[2:06:12] So, they just didn't know that they had a bill because they weren't paying for a turn off their water.

[2:06:16] Since it's only for one quarter, they likely know when they're just late making that the most recent order payment.

[2:06:26] Thank you.

[2:06:27] Any other questions for Jessica?

[2:06:29] No.

[2:06:30] Thanks, Jessica.

[2:06:32] Okay.

[2:06:33] All those in favor.

[2:06:33] Say aye.

[2:06:35] Opposed?

[2:06:36] Motion passes.

[2:06:40] Item 5.2 is the license agreement for the one-on-a-tourable.

[2:06:44] It's a council to prove the likes to give an authorized administration to execute the same.

[2:06:47] Exactly.

[2:06:48] Motion from Steve, second from Sam, any discussion?

[2:06:52] Jeff.

[2:06:54] So, Patrick, in looking at this one, you know, I see that it was when I looked through it.

[2:07:00] It's, you know, I think a three year agreement, if I'm not mistaken.

[2:07:03] And I'm noticing that we're trying to be consistent, like the boat club,

[2:07:08] and one of the other ones that came before us tonight,

[2:07:10] they had a 3% increase in fees and what have you.

[2:07:14] This one had a change in fee, but I didn't see that it was a three percent, so I guess I'm wondering is this pretty much in line with what we're trying to do with all of these as far as uniform and is it a three percent per year increase that's that's it.

[2:07:34] Okay, I think it was just written differently. It just had a lump sum. Yeah, I didn't have that piece in there. So that's what drew my curiosity.

[2:07:44] Okay, great. Thank you.

[2:07:47] Thanks, Chef. Any other questions?

[2:07:52] Random app? 4%.

[2:07:55] Thank you. Any other countless questions?

[2:08:00] No? Thank you, Patrick. Hearing none. All those in favour? Say aye.

[2:08:04] Aye. Aye. A post? Motion passes.

[2:08:08] Item 5.3 is the Mississippi Riverfront Trail Letter of No Objection.

[2:08:12] Really? Kind of a superior quest.

[2:08:14] Second.

[2:08:14] motion from C, second from Cm, we have a presentation from staff.

[2:08:27] Here in council wall Brad brings up the presentation.

[2:08:30] Nick Larson was going to present tonight, but Nick had to leave work early today and

[2:08:41] since Lucy is retired.

[2:08:45] No offense to Brian deferring, I think I have been in the most

[2:08:51] of Mississippi River Front Trail meetings and so if it sounds like I'm reading next presentation

[2:08:57] it's because I am, certainly I have an understanding of the project, but here we go.

[2:09:05] Mississippi River Front Trail is a project listed in the 2007-2045 Comprehensive Plan, along

[2:09:13] with the 2020 Downtown Strategic Plan, 2018 Comprehensive Park System Plan. River Front Trail

[2:09:19] was rated as the highest influential project in the fight, but a subcommittee members who

[2:09:24] worked on the influential project chapter of the city's current comprehensive plan.

[2:09:28] City has been working on the River Front Trail for nearly 17 years and over looked

[2:09:34] to aspect of this project as highlighting the businesses that line the River Front of

[2:09:38] Mississippi River.

[2:09:39] Mississippi River Front Trail will provide the opportunity for residents and visitors to enjoy

[2:09:42] the vibrant beauty of the River and Bluffs and take in rich heritage of River Front

[2:09:48] businesses when owner has.

[2:09:50] The Mississippi River Front Trail will showcase the natural beauty of

[2:09:53] Winona, the Academy of Literature, Future Development, to provide more

[2:09:56] options for people who live work and play.

[2:10:09] The history of Winona, of course, is we taught about as tied to the river.

[2:10:13] Of course, we can tell that by this map, there's a lot of businesses along the

[2:10:16] River Front.

[2:10:17] The Port Authority has been working with WHOKS and bar engineering to engineer and

[2:10:21] design phase one of the Mississippi River Front Trail.

[2:10:24] Phase one of the Mississippi River Contrails is being designed as a ten-foot, multi-purpose, non-motorized trail with a bite of safe.

[2:10:32] Accessible route along the Mississippi River from Lobby Park to Lions Park for residents to risk family students in our workforce to utilize and enjoy.

[2:10:40] Phase one of the Mississippi River Contrails is designed to start under the Highway 43 in her state bridge, allowing access to the flyway trail, leading to Wisconsin,

[2:10:48] than east through Levy Park along Rivers, the riverside of the flood wall by

[2:10:54] base-state and on top of Levy across properties owned by U.S. Fish and Wildlife,

[2:11:00] Andy Lose, at the end of Liberty Street, northern states power the Winona

[2:11:05] Marina and RTP, and then we connect to Lion's Park.

[2:11:12] All the segments with the

[2:11:13] exception the Winona Marina are designed directly on the bank of the Mississippi

[2:11:18] river that went on the marina, the trail is designed to go inland and on the land side of the

[2:11:24] flood wall as depicted by the purple dots on the map.

[2:11:37] The 60% design plans are ready to be

[2:11:39] submitted to the Army Corps of Engineers for their section 408 review. The letter of no objection

[2:11:44] is part of the submittal package. During the Army Corps of Engineers review, they will provide

[2:11:49] input on the design, which will guide the final engineering and design of phase 1, the Mississippi

[2:11:54] Riverfront Trail, Army Corps of Engineers review of 60% design plans could take up to seven

[2:12:00] months.

[2:12:03] So, the design next step, we're at 60% plans for the U.S. Corps of Engineers review, again

[2:12:10] 90% design plans for the Corps of Engineers review, we're estimating that 100% bid

[2:12:16] documents that be ready by summer of 27, and commence construction summer fall of 27.

[2:12:21] and we would like to do that sooner, if possible, that would be the goal that this review is done or completed earlier.

[2:12:30] As a reminder, we have state funding. There's 2 million of bond funding and was appropriated to the city for construction of phase one of the Miss Zero Front Trail.

[2:12:38] From Lubby Park to Alliance Park in 2020, the grant agreement was executed in December of 24.

[2:12:44] The grant monies can only be used for construction, not design, or engineering.

[2:12:51] We did receive an additional 5 million of bond funding that was appropriate to the city

[2:12:55] for final design, engineering, and construction of a bridge to go between Chestnut and

[2:13:00] Carremonous Streets in 2023.

[2:13:03] The city requested a legislative language change to the $5 million appropriation spring of

[2:13:09] The request was approved during the 2026 legislative session.

[2:13:14] The request was to remove the bridge language and allow the monies to be used for a trail segment

[2:13:18] to connect portions of the Mississippi or the front trail between Lubby and Lions Park.

[2:13:22] Additionally, the request was to allow the use of any unspent monies from the $5 million appropriation

[2:13:29] to extend the trail down river after Lubby Park to Lions Park portion is complete.

[2:13:37] The amended legislative language still allows for the $5 million appropriation to be used for

[2:13:41] final design engineering instruction, staff expects to bring the $5 million grant agreement

[2:13:46] to a future council meeting for consideration.

[2:13:50] City does need to enter into lease, or easement agreements with the property owners to use

[2:13:55] the bond funding.

[2:13:56] We do have easement security with base state, U.S. Fish on Loud Life, for two Kansas and

[2:14:01] three Kansas 30 Liberty northern states power.

[2:14:05] The easements that we're still seeking and needed

[2:14:07] are with Non-Amarina and RTP.

[2:14:12] So again, the map, again, is just to show the different segments

[2:14:15] of phase one to show really where those easements are located.

[2:14:25] This is just segment by segment I'll go through these pretty quick,

[2:14:28] but this is starting at Levy Park going to Lyons Park,

[2:14:34] The yellow depicts where phase one of the Mississippi River

[2:14:36] response trail is designed to begin.

[2:14:39] It will be on the river side of the Flood Wall

[2:14:41] at Baystate.

[2:14:43] The top photo is the view from Cal Framling Drive,

[2:14:46] looking east.

[2:14:47] The bottom photo is the view from the east end of the Flood Wall

[2:14:50] at Baystate, looking back towards Levy Park

[2:14:53] and Cal Framling Drive.

[2:15:00] Our front trail is being designed on the levy at base state. The photo shows a view looking down river from the east end of the flood wall at base state.

[2:15:11] The red and green lines indicate where phase one of the misceivered front trail is being designed on the levy.

[2:15:18] At the US Fish and Wildlife Properties at two Kansas on the left and three Kansas on the right. The photos from the bottom photo to the top.

[2:15:28] Show the view looking down river across the levee at two Kansas and three Kansas towards 30 Liberty Street

[2:15:36] Green line indicates where phase one of the misriver from trail is being designed on

[2:15:41] The levee at 30 Liberty Street the bottom full show is the view looking down river from 30 Liberty Street

[2:15:48] And the total shows the view looking down river from northern states power

[2:15:53] The green and purple lines indicate where phase one of the misriver front trail is being designed on the levee at

[2:15:59] or the state's power's property, the photo shows the view from northern state's power property

[2:16:04] looking east toward the marina.

[2:16:10] Again, the dotted purple line indicates the area where phase

[2:16:13] one of the materials proposed to be at that one on the marina property, the segment of the

[2:16:19] trails proposed to be accurate on the landslide of the flood wall and then connected to the trail

[2:16:24] segment to the east highlighted in blue. The rendering depicts the layout of the trail from northern

[2:16:30] state's power, tumor, one-on-one arena, and then on to RTP,

[2:16:39] blue line indicates where

[2:16:40] phase 1, the Mississippi of the frontrails being designed to go from one-on-one arena to

[2:16:46] Miller-Waste Mills, then to Lyons Park.

[2:16:52] Blue line indicates where phase 1 of the trail

[2:16:53] is being designed from Miller-Waste Mills to Lyons Park. The east-end mark of phase 1 of

[2:16:59] the Mississippi of the frontrails.

[2:17:03] As noted in the 2018 comprehensive park system plan,

[2:17:06] future segments that trail are envisioned to go along the levy to win on a knitting mills

[2:17:11] and then traverse on city streets to the east and boat harbor, which point the trail would

[2:17:16] go on to the levy again at Shives Creek, and eventually the Highway 1461, providing a connection

[2:17:24] to additional recreational trails in the Mississippi River Trail or MRT. Now, you may be wondering

[2:17:32] Why I took you through each segment is because the motion for you is to send this to

[2:17:40] this letter of no objection to the core.

[2:17:42] What we're asking and what the core wants the note in the city is that we have no objection

[2:17:46] pointing a trail on the levee is basically what they're asking.

[2:17:51] So we're required to show you where the trail is being designed to go.

[2:17:54] That is the intent of the letter.

[2:17:58] Put that in your questions, we can be happy to take that.

[2:18:04] George?

[2:18:05] I just want to thank Mike Chickenowski for his work on this.

[2:18:11] For the authority, chairman, and he's been, this has been a project to his for years.

[2:18:15] He's always been talking about, and even that event, he goes and he talks about it.

[2:18:20] And the Chad, you were at the one where he was asking the group I made.

[2:18:24] Come do you for some fun, so yeah, good work, Mike.

[2:18:32] Any other comments?

[2:18:33] Good all.

[2:18:36] Um, I'd like to just clarify, and that last slide there, there was no trail on Sarnia.

[2:18:47] We were talking about Sarnia all night.

[2:18:51] I pulled out the bike we met.

[2:18:56] So that is, that is our priority for what would you call it, connected micromobility.

[2:19:06] I don't know how to turn it into transportation.

[2:19:09] Can you bring that slide back up please?

[2:19:17] Last slide please.

[2:19:18] No, that is okay.

[2:19:20] This comes from the 2018-19 comprehensive parks plan and it puts the priorities, the numbers in the numbers and letters are the priority for the city to create trail connections within the city of Winona.

[2:19:42] So three A.

[2:19:48] So this trail is going from Levy Park to Lyons Park. So it's completing

[2:19:55] priority three A of the Park Comprehensive Parks Plan. Segment 2B is already

[2:20:03] completed with the flyway trail.

[2:20:07] The Comprehensive Parks Plan says you should

[2:20:09] connect, we should connect from Levy Park to Lake Lodge, and from Lake Lodge, other connections

[2:20:18] to the MRT and the Bluffs diverse.

[2:20:23] The Comprehensive Park Plan also says that three A should be continued further east, as I

[2:20:28] mentioned in the presentation, to at some point, which is a heavy lift, connect to

[2:20:35] The other priorities are internal trail systems with another large extension that goes out to Prairie Island in the 7B.

[2:20:49] The intent through the comprehensive park plan was the community said we needed a continuous loop of trail through the city connecting to other park wreck resources.

[2:20:58] Okay, thank you.

[2:21:00] And the priorities are being started in order, at least so 1A, 2A, and now 1, 3, and so.

[2:21:09] I just want to make note of that.

[2:21:11] Notice how there's nothing else already out there.

[2:21:14] You're right.

[2:21:15] Just mentioning it.

[2:21:16] All right.

[2:21:17] Any other comments?

[2:21:18] Questions?

[2:21:19] Is this question?

[2:21:20] Hearing none?

[2:21:21] All those in favor say aye.

[2:21:23] Opposed?

[2:21:24] Motion classes.

[2:21:26] Item 7 is console concerns.

[2:21:28] Council Member Borgicowski. Thank you, Mayor. I will be very quickly here. I just have two things.

[2:21:35] I was digging through some papers that I had and my father had newspaper collecting that he saved.

[2:21:42] I came across one here from March of 1971. In 1971, I was a senior at Carter High School,

[2:21:56] pushing for a graduation in the spring.

[2:22:00] Council member Haima was a freshman in high school

[2:22:04] and Councilman Jerome Christianson

[2:22:07] would have been one year out of high school or two years.

[2:22:12] One year.

[2:22:13] And for everybody out there, the rest of our people here

[2:22:17] at the table of my council colleagues,

[2:22:19] they weren't even born yet.

[2:22:21] So this was 1971,

[2:22:24] including our manager. So, anyway...

[2:22:30] 1971. Jerome, you may remember, we had the issue of urban renewal. It was taking down the blocks on

[2:22:38] 2nd Street, 1, 2, 3, 4 blocks. I was working at Western gas station, 28 cents a gallon, $0.60 an hour, which was

[2:22:48] good money. I couldn't spend it all. Anyway, the issue was there, and you know, you want to

[2:22:59] a controversial issue for those that would happen to remember that.

[2:23:04] Eight Alt Braimer at that time was the publisher of the one-on-a-daley news,

[2:23:09] and he was always kind of taking the city council to task.

[2:23:14] He was a reporter. Well, actually, he was the editor to big guy there,

[2:23:19] but every now and even take city council to task.

[2:23:22] Anyway, he wrote this article,

[2:23:23] Council commended for renewal vote.

[2:23:29] The City Council should be commended for their renewal vote.

[2:23:34] Number, if you had two counts of that, is the right count.

[2:23:38] First of all, the acknowledges that I got to get close with my eyes here.

[2:23:43] First, for acknowledging the major renovation projects of this kind,

[2:23:48] Our legitimate concrete concern of citizens and if they become controversial that the citizens should be involved in resolving these issues.

[2:24:02] And number two simply just said that the council should be commended for taking the stand that the urban renewal vote should be given to let the entire city vote on this not just affected areas.

[2:24:17] Now what they had to do then is they had to petition the state of Minnesota to get permission

[2:24:24] to do a referendum, and of course there was no money involved just having permission

[2:24:29] to do this project.

[2:24:32] So go back to there and then also, he says that he hopes that the legislature approves

[2:24:40] the bill and suggested that it's gestion by the council.

[2:24:44] Now, that year, I don't know how that referendum went.

[2:24:51] It was that year, I was 17 years old, and I really didn't care how it went.

[2:24:57] It was no interest of mine.

[2:24:59] I had my fancy sports car, and I could care less how the renewal vote went.

[2:25:04] And I was 17 years.

[2:25:07] I might have been 18 already, but this was of no interest to me, but different to course today.

[2:25:12] And just on a sad note, I'd like to offer condolences to the family of Richard Karnith,

[2:25:18] Captain Richard Karnith as we know him, he taught middle school, junior high school

[2:25:24] than Winona for many years, and he followed the family tradition, his father and grandfather.

[2:25:30] He became a riverboat captain, he piloted the Delta Queen, the American Queen,

[2:25:36] and many other riverboats at the company had.

[2:25:39] And his skill, the knowledge of the river, is definitely very, very strong.

[2:25:47] He knew it from St. Louis, all the way to Minneapolis.

[2:25:52] Thank you.

[2:25:53] Thanks, George.

[2:25:53] Appreciate it.

[2:25:54] Councilmember Yelm.

[2:25:55] In the interest of time.

[2:25:59] Councilmember Haima?

[2:26:00] I was going to read into the record, Warren Peace.

[2:26:05] Just one thing, just to reiterate, we talked about it last time.

[2:26:09] or maybe two times ago, I'm increasingly getting questions in regards to e-bikes motorized

[2:26:17] vehicles on the trails and on sidewalks, and I think we were talking about researching

[2:26:22] what is already on the books, and then perhaps having discussion as to what we feel is appropriate.

[2:26:29] It was jarred by my by the comment or the presentation about the riverfront trail where it said

[2:26:36] was for non-moralized vehicles. So that's what we might be to say, we still need to look

[2:26:42] into that. Thank you. Thanks, Jerome. Yeah, congratulations to the Winona Municipal Band,

[2:26:52] completing another summer season. They started out wet and finished up strong,

[2:26:57] And a particular note that Frank and Ruth Burst joined the band in 1979.

[2:27:08] That was when George would have been 25 and 25 and they finally closed their concert

[2:27:22] cases this season. So thank you, Joe. Thank you, Frank. Thank you, Ruth. Ruth also tried to teach

[2:27:31] my daughter Claire on that. And failed glorious, like it was a great season. Thanks for

[2:27:39] them. Come to the recruiting for Ridge. Welcome back to students.

[2:27:43] semester starts at WSU next Monday. So, a big warm welcome to all of our new and returning students.

[2:27:53] Very good. Thanks, Sam. It comes from every day. Yeah, nothing tonight. Thank you.

[2:27:57] Thank you.

[2:28:00] Thanks. Under the consent agenda, we have six items. First is the approval of August 3,

[2:28:06] 2026 meeting minutes. Next is the final adoption of the ordinance for handicap parking at St. Charles Street.

[2:28:14] We also have the final adoption of the ordinance for handicap parking at East Broadway.

[2:28:20] Followed by the final adoption of the ordinance for handicap parking at East Third Street.

[2:28:26] And then 8.5 is followed by the final adoption of the ordinance for 15 minute parking at East Third Street.

[2:28:33] And lastly, the final adoption of the ordinance for the 15 minute handicap parking at 79 West Third Street.

[2:28:40] Because I'm really gonna consent agenda.

[2:28:43] Second motion from Steve, second from Jerome, all those in favour. Say aye. Aye. Aye.

[2:28:49] Opposed?

[2:28:50] We're just timing eight fifty, eight p.m. I move with adjourned.

[2:28:58] Motion from George, second from Steve, all those in favour. Say aye. Aye.

[2:29:02] Meaning adjourned. Thanks everybody.

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