[0:00] So, we're going to do a possible line, we'll repeat.

[0:04] So, you know, we'll try to maximize that.

[0:08] And we will always just protein is forbidden.

[0:11] And so it's not expensive.

[0:14] Yeah, I don't know about.

[0:15] Put two coders.

[0:16] Like the cat drink.

[0:18] So, this is the case that we can't get the protein.

[0:21] So, the most expensive can buy.

[0:23] Yeah, it's one of the important things we'll see what the power is to do.

[0:56] The whole way through.

[1:57] It is Christine.

[1:59] It's a Christina.

[2:00] Okay.

[2:00] What's your name?

[2:01] She and me on the hand.

[2:02] We have a different person.

[2:05] Okay.

[2:13] Oh, gosh.

[2:15] I teach.

[2:16] All right.

[2:17] We're having some technical difficulties, but we're back.

[2:21] So we call this meeting to order.

[2:23] And please rise.

[2:23] Join me.

[2:27] I'm going to introduce you to the United States of America.

[2:31] And it's very, very, very close to science, one nation under God, and it is a little, with liberty and justice from.

[2:42] You do, Carl, Carl, okay, Christian is here calling me, Michael is here, Christian, or calling Robinson is online, here, there are no verses here, Nathan is excused, but then is sitting in front of this morning.

[3:01] Mr. Jackson, Mr. Sherry Dickerson, there she is, brought us here, Glendellus,

[3:12] at this time,

[3:12] Greg is here, got them to work and well, I'm, well, okay, I'm Kathy is here, Leslie Bond,

[3:20] I saw all mine, here I heard, thank you. Rachel Anderson, I saw it was on mine, councilperson,

[3:28] And that's just...

[3:29] Yes.

[3:31] Okay.

[3:32] Okay.

[3:33] Look at this here.

[3:34] Sarah Martinez has excused.

[3:37] So I'm worried.

[3:38] So I'm worried.

[3:39] I've just gone.

[3:44] You know, hard times.

[3:45] I'm going to like to the website.

[3:48] That's what I mean.

[3:51] I'm trying.

[3:53] And then Wendy is out there.

[3:57] Are there any modifications to the agenda?

[4:02] Yes, there are, both of our presentations have cancelled out for this morning.

[4:08] Jill is fighting COVID and David Henry.

[4:18] They did feel that their 80-year financing was at a point to be brought out yet.

[4:25] David's boss said, you know, the preferable debt back for a little bit.

[4:30] So, both of the presentations have cancelled.

[4:32] Okay.

[4:33] What would that be?

[4:34] Any other modifications?

[4:37] Okay.

[4:38] Can I have a motion to approve the agenda excluding the presentations?

[4:42] I should approve the agenda, including the presentations.

[4:48] Okay.

[4:48] All right.

[4:52] Next we need to have a motion to approve the minutes.

[5:12] Okay, we will move to public comment.

[5:16] Thank you for our wonderful work today.

[5:18] Public comment?

[5:19] Oh, no.

[5:20] No, I'm not.

[5:21] I'm not working by.

[5:22] I'm not working.

[5:23] Sorry, I got a lot of public involved.

[5:26] Okay.

[5:28] Here in no public comment, we'll move on to old business.

[5:31] Jim's been working on violent amendments.

[5:34] Yes.

[5:34] And Andrew packet?

[5:55] Yes.

[6:01] He's through the change.

[6:04] But look at basically through this going through.

[6:07] Initially, we were looking at a couple of things.

[6:11] What got us started in this is one.

[6:14] Clare flight, we need to change.

[6:17] Territaker's organization from the North Olympic Regional

[6:21] to the Sergeant's Veterans Support.

[6:25] And then the other was including that we had

[6:31] Olympic housing trust.

[6:33] And Catherine Morgan had left only cat.

[6:36] And then had moved over to a little Olympic housing trust, which I think is a great deal.

[6:42] It's kind of a path of energy that they could probably be able to see a lot more of them

[6:47] in Colorado County and doing a lot more action.

[6:51] How we need, like I say, that that was, we had the discussion about including them in a representative,

[6:57] we want to make sure that we are inclusive of organizations that are doing

[7:01] and they are really one that is doing the last-trust community front-trust models.

[7:08] So those were just the two under, you know, just some housekeeping type issues.

[7:15] But we want to get a representative from the District Council Trust.

[7:20] And then at the last meeting, it was kind of concerning alternatives.

[7:27] And I look through, some of our committees do, some of our committees don't have alternate.

[7:36] I think we've never had an issue passing,

[7:45] passing that sort of thing.

[7:50] It's a catch point too, if you know, 50, 50, whatever the community wants to do.

[7:55] I mean, you know, with them dead, I know MRC just brought a motion forward that they had

[8:03] a member that stepped down and the alternate, I mean, to try and try and try to get

[8:09] through to the alternate.

[8:10] So they had to bring it to the VLCC to have the alternate removed and then, you know, go back

[8:15] through the process.

[8:19] I think you get into a lot of, if you start going through, then, you know, from a tendency

[8:24] record, not sort of saying, but I would have been in here for committing discussion.

[8:36] I am D.E.S. maybe you should just where we're looking at right here.

[8:41] I have a B. I'm paid one.

[8:48] Members are presenting the one positive of a mental.

[8:52] Well, and then it says, shall not have limits on the length of their terms, but then yet on D

[8:57] in the next page, it says a pearl full term shall be three years in length in no longer.

[9:03] For the following members, she'll be appointed to a term of three years, and that is the

[9:08] North Peninsula Building Association, the Square Relators Association,

[9:18] the Port

[9:18] large. And so now he is referencing C? Yes. And I think I would not put a D here.

[9:27] Okay.

[9:32] So D is the next one about appointment. And then you're removing D. So E is now alternate.

[9:40] Yes. He will go back and then move back up.

[9:52] And then I also removed out E that, you know,

[9:56] we'll point somebody from the staff now that we have.

[10:00] I didn't do all that we do because we're less good.

[10:03] You should try to write yourself into the by-laws.

[10:09] So the culture nets need to at any time be the organizations,

[10:15] organizations that send the letter to you and the chair at any time to identify

[10:21] or is there like a certain time of year you want that done?

[10:26] I think it's just a little bit of a changey because I mean, one of the issues that

[10:29] go through unless you're with, like I said, if you're a

[10:34] quality of transit, for instance, that they have city council

[10:38] members and commissioners, but both everybody that they have, the

[10:42] alternates and that have gone through the very process and not any

[10:49] alternative that any alternate that's coming through here will have to go

[10:52] through HR, your screen, and then go to the commissioners for approval.

[11:03] Okay. So, for example, once this gets approved, we would need the city of

[11:08] pre-angeles to go through that process when they're all turned it.

[11:13] I think more than the city opened, the city staff was all been, as all the background checks

[11:21] on them.

[11:22] You know, I think it's more the non-governmental organizations that would be required.

[11:29] It seems like it probably should be everyone.

[11:32] I mean, if everyone has to go to the city, it's already gone through the counties over there.

[11:36] Gone through that process, so that's not your way.

[11:39] But they would go, they'll be approved by the commissioners.

[11:41] So the point of having an alternate is, if I can't make a meeting, I send this person, right?

[11:48] And we should send that person, and that person is not going to be able to vote.

[11:54] No, the first person would be able to vote.

[11:57] So, that was an alternate.

[11:59] Okay.

[12:01] So, cut it.

[12:02] That's kind of it.

[12:04] But the issue that you've read into is that if things are going, you know, a couple of months

[12:10] And then you have somebody that is coming in new, then you may be backing up and starting

[12:15] over because somebody doesn't understand, you know, where is what the history is.

[12:22] It's a reasoning for limiting NPBAs in two real-term association at large to three

[12:29] or terms when all the others are not limited.

[12:36] Maybe it's great that part.

[12:39] It's really hard.

[12:40] I think we have a lot of continuity from the private sector and that may be when this year

[12:50] three years from get up and I'm not ready to have you go away.

[12:55] Yeah.

[12:55] Right.

[12:55] We have to go away.

[12:57] Great.

[12:58] It was just renewed.

[12:59] But I know it was the animal solution device.

[13:04] But I know with the animal solution advisory committee.

[13:10] It's all under even the committee members at large.

[13:16] It's not that we have a long list of people waiting to serve

[13:24] when they have the expertise that we need.

[13:27] Why not? I didn't really believe it's just the realtor's interest.

[13:30] And there's a building that has stepped up and had someone, and I don't know why I would limit it.

[13:37] There's no provision on consecutive terms though.

[13:40] So we have no longer a full term?

[13:43] I know, well a term is three years and no longer.

[13:47] But you can do a second term of three years and no longer.

[13:50] Yeah, so if there's no, you're right.

[13:53] No, it doesn't.

[13:55] It doesn't really say that it just says in order to preserve

[13:57] continuity terms being set for failing.

[14:00] Let me preface that our intent...

[14:03] It's what it doesn't say if you're planted.

[14:06] But you're going to work that has just been period up to work three years ago.

[14:12] Yeah, you're going to work three years ago longer.

[14:16] Because that's no longer referring to the term white.

[14:18] Exactly, not the individual survey.

[14:21] Look, this is the answer to that matter.

[14:22] But you're going to be the other way.

[14:24] But for that matter, I think I would move it again too.

[14:31] Is anyone tracking the community?

[14:33] people, I'm to the committee.

[14:37] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I think

[14:38] great was you can't I, you can't, you can't,

[14:43] you can't, you can't, because those have no

[14:45] way for their class.

[14:47] Well, but if you want community, if you want

[14:50] the villagers and the housing people, which they

[14:52] are involved in this, then should they just be within that.

[14:57] So you're saying, remove the sentence.

[15:00] The front of C, the front of C, and can you shoot them in no less?

[15:04] Yeah, that they are, you know what, and if somebody doesn't, you know, like, say, Greg decides to retire or something like that.

[15:13] And they point somebody new, and that person will go through and be approved.

[15:18] But you know, what did they would say?

[15:19] You know, when you need three years trying to figure out who is and who is it, up for

[15:28] the art part of the housing, you know, within the cloud.

[15:33] prefer that we not limit the terms of any numbers. I'm going to make what

[15:44] see on page two into what is causing me to twitch. The R versus a B and a

[15:54] number.

[16:00] Over to the air and some people are on the ground I guess. You go R. T to U.

[16:08] Well, actually, I do R, and then put that whole paragraph as R because those three are going to be by the associations for three years.

[16:18] I'm not sure if your association is always going to say, here's my person for three years,

[16:25] this whole part feels close.

[16:28] Well, how is it? How is it? I don't see any difference between the EEC as an example.

[16:40] How did our re-liter representatives get chosen?

[16:46] We asked them if they would not need them.

[16:49] They would not need them.

[16:50] They would not need them.

[17:02] This won't be considered next meeting stage.

[17:05] This is F.B.

[17:08] We need to have you make some changes.

[17:14] So

[17:21] then we have the alternate tably cleared that up sufficiently.

[17:27] Because I say that you would put

[17:32] everything going to just you're going to put it all the way down to the road.

[17:36] And everybody is going to have to decide.

[17:39] I'm also going to do that.

[17:44] And as far as I understand another committee's all the alternate scope through the same process.

[17:49] It doesn't matter who they will.

[17:55] And then you fill out one page, or you fill out the whole packet to finish on what it is.

[18:06] Were there any other changes that you made?

[18:09] Well, like I said, what I didn't, but because what I did add is it.

[18:14] And those are just an almost two pages.

[18:16] But now what it will be is that, like I say, it all under V, everybody will have an alternate there.

[18:25] I think you mentioned me something about a poor changing, did that?

[18:30] No.

[18:31] You don't change it.

[18:41] No, I didn't.

[18:42] You don't change it.

[18:43] I'm a majority.

[18:44] Okay.

[18:48] Is there other items that you would like to see changed?

[18:56] We will not go then.

[18:57] Then we will have maybe able to.

[19:01] Since we have to introduce someone meeting and do it the next.

[19:05] And you're so weird.

[19:06] So we're out a couple of months.

[19:08] So

[19:12] how can make changes in a bring it back next month?

[19:17] Yeah, maybe a couple of us could talk with him about how we're reading a few of these.

[19:23] I would suggest that Tim circulated to at least two people on that.

[19:31] Second sentence, we're all right.

[19:34] There we go.

[19:34] You don't have to care about your lead rod.

[19:36] I sure can.

[19:37] There we go.

[19:38] Maybe you have a slide bar about how we're reading that.

[19:41] What was thought behind that?

[19:51] I don't think

[19:54] you're about vacation.

[19:54] That was a problem.

[19:57] Guys, I just got back from vacation.

[20:00] Okay. Okay.

[20:06] Well, moving on to no new business.

[20:10] You have an update for us? I do. You know, a couple of things.

[20:17] We paid out, received invoice for $162,000 for a

[20:22] squeds fit for a Peninsula Behavioral Health

[20:25] fifth and fourth, that project is going along rather nicely

[20:31] to look at probably the end of the month.

[20:34] We complete, so probably we're going to cut each somewhere.

[20:37] Sherrius, are Sherrius.

[20:39] Wendy is on, and it can't say how many units.

[20:43] That's five.

[20:44] I did that in an additional bedroom there, and then the central heat there is all been

[20:52] we've done, a lot of the lighting all before we filled in the kitchen at a one-three

[20:57] area.

[21:00] But they're looking at the end of the month for that to be done. Kind of I know

[21:06] Wendy is also needy into Apple Health application. They were waiting, they're using the same third party cost analyst.

[21:21] Housing authority uses to come through and do the numbers and see where they're at.

[21:27] I have heard from, you know, where I imagine Sarah Anani or in the same situation, the housing

[21:37] trust fund closest, I believe, the 18th of September in that neighborhood.

[21:44] So I think everybody's scrambled there's none,

[21:50] there's very limited money

[21:54] in the majority

[21:55] of the funds that were allocated, we spent last year on it, so we're looking at a long session

[22:01] next year, we probably have more money allocated to things, we're looking at,

[22:12] we received

[22:13] a couple of call-in-it set out, some stuff about mobile home work.

[22:26] $2.7 million, charging $775 per

[22:35] in-squim right next to the state-wing, so there's 23 mobile

[22:42] homesites, and they're all single-white, and then 11 RV sites into 775 bucks per month.

[22:50] Is it really a new look at this?

[22:52] One point nine one eight.

[22:54] It's got to be for sale for a long time, because it doesn't have, I mean, it's

[22:58] pod holes and everything getting into that site hat.

[23:02] And I want to say, Commissioner Johnson, and I looked at that one point, and

[23:06] cap rate just to need the work on by that. So did they raise the rates there? Yes. So what

[23:14] were they before? I mean, what were they used to do? I don't know what they were before, but I

[23:19] know they are as of September 1st. They raised it. They're raising it to 775 a month. Yeah. And

[23:27] it's a category of calculations. Yeah. And that's kind of what they're trying to do, but it's not worth

[23:33] what they're asking for.

[23:39] And it's kind of one of those things they're with, it's a look at

[23:44] you're kind of going, okay, is this the highest of this use?

[23:51] What's kind of? I was needed use.

[23:53] Yeah, we'd just place our house.

[24:00] The gentleman that's selling it, he's had quite a few up for sale.

[24:04] And I think he was also trying to sell him a gold.

[24:10] Yeah.

[24:10] And I don't think they sold that, did they?

[24:12] No, they pulled it.

[24:13] So over off of the West End of Port Angeles,

[24:16] he was trying to sell that mobile home part two.

[24:19] And the numbers didn't work here.

[24:22] I mean, like I say,

[24:26] that's higher than what you're paying at,

[24:28] lie on your meadows down there.

[24:32] And it's, you know, you're not even in the same.

[24:35] What is not in your medals?

[24:37] $6.95 is what it was, but I think that there, I've even heard that at the last real

[24:41] little meeting in the square, and that they dropped down to some $5.95 in there, and they're

[24:46] trying to get people in there, and because they're just not moving fast.

[24:52] And they bought out Hendrickson and they bought out West Older, and they were raising the

[25:00] We're going to advance there to try, but they weren't going more than the 695 that they would charge in 11 or

[25:07] 775. You know, that's kind of like the person out in forks that was charging $1,000.

[25:14] That's fine. That's just, you know, you would lose everybody in there at that kind of money.

[25:23] So, the tremendous carry costs on that level of rentals and it's only 25% done, there's still 150 empty lots.

[25:33] And then I don't understand why they don't take that down and make that into it.

[25:40] I do a way with a senior of the 55 and over, just turn that into, you know, fill it out.

[25:46] You can, you know, but I don't know that a lot of people that go into those have gone into them, but without knowing, you know, where's you and is, you know, what kind of rate can they range?

[25:58] They lower it from 6.95 to 5.95. Does that apply to all lots or only the ones that have not left yet?

[26:06] I don't know if I'm going to say it yet.

[26:08] It started at 800.

[26:11] Because I am looking that they were down to 60.

[26:14] All of it, not for you.

[26:16] No, no.

[26:17] It's all.

[26:18] Because again, it's a Denver investor.

[26:22] Because they've changed three times.

[26:24] I don't know if they've changed three times.

[26:28] The original of the novel was from Silverdale.

[26:31] And then sold it to...

[26:33] It's probably three times, yeah.

[26:40] Yeah.

[26:40] of the name of the mobile home quartet.

[26:43] It's emerald something by fair amount.

[26:50] Yeah, there was someone that was looking a bunch

[26:53] of local investors were looking at buying it,

[26:56] but it has a lot of environmental issues with the big tank

[27:01] there that needs to be removed.

[27:03] And that wasn't on the market.

[27:05] That was a private sale.

[27:08] So they don't spend the seller wouldn't come down to a reasonable price

[27:14] considering all the environmental issues that are there.

[27:20] I don't know what you mean.

[27:22] They also, in order to make that work,

[27:24] you have to expand and out.

[27:26] You may have, they have a lot of empty locations

[27:29] where you could put tiny homes.

[27:32] But there's been a lot of...

[27:38] I'm going to tell you that.

[27:39] Yeah, no, no.

[27:41] It's because I need people for wanting to move into it.

[27:48] Yes.

[27:50] Back to those smaller, long parks.

[27:53] Sounds like there are potentially several

[27:55] for sale across the county and, you know, some significant rent increases, is there anything

[28:02] that this is

[28:08] going to be doing to,

[28:18] you know, if someone decides that there's a higher

[28:20] there you use it.

[28:21] We've got one, you know, 30 or 40 people on this, you know, if we put it several of those

[28:27] parts

[28:33] over this, with regard to those private transactions, but if anyone has any thoughts

[28:40] about that, take care of that.

[28:43] And that certainly seems to be one of the best pressures in one of our biggest potentials.

[28:53] He's

[29:02] worked then, and he's in an IML with Victoria O'Brien, a brilliant, a few types.

[29:09] And she is Northwest, a Northwest co-operative that works with the landlords or the tenants to acquire the property.

[29:20] And they provide the technical support to make that happen.

[29:24] I know this morning in Washington State Department,

[29:28] their daily bulletin that came out, and they had,

[29:31] I certainly have to afford it to be,

[29:34] they're talking about important information,

[29:39] information, and tips on submitting notice of opportunity to keep the purchase.

[29:44] And that's really, I mean, I think what we need to be doing is being able to see

[29:48] if we can work with the tenets of these parks to acquire. It's kind of like when Oxbow

[29:56] came for sale out in forks, that now with worse...

[30:00] The legislature's last deal that they have to offer to the tenants before they can put it out to deal with.

[30:07] Right. From what I understand from the investors, the reason why we're seeing so many go in the market is because of this new change in law.

[30:15] They don't want to deal with it, so they're trying to sell before a lot of these things.

[30:20] You win a lot, becomes effectively, because I think that's right. You have to put it out, so all the owners can buy the property.

[30:27] I mean, I see it as too full, I mean, I don't disagree that maybe we should explore

[30:33] how do we facilitate because it seems like a technically, it's a heavy lift for a group

[30:40] of people to come together and form a co-op, basically, to do this purchase idea.

[30:44] But then the flip side of this is what are the range of disincentives that are contributing

[30:50] to this push to kind of sell and get out of that?

[30:54] Why is it no longer a good business to be in? Because if I think we continue on a slippery slope, if we don't address

[31:04] sort of

[31:05] Those forces that are you know these changes used to be in main sense to do it

[31:11] Why is it now not so then is it strictly regular torturer or their other factors?

[31:16] Contrary that

[31:17] That's a question that I'd like to know

[31:19] because I can handle other things we could do like on the land use level, or maybe there's other things, you know, I can, we've all heard stories of, you know, people used to ransom while I don't anymore, because you get someone, you know, I can you can't get rid of them, they do damage, et cetera, and so they end up getting out of the business, so, you know, the efforts to try to help one side of this equation can link apart from the other side, which can reduce our overall stock.

[31:51] Well, I think a lot of what machine was the purchasing of them is that you have a huge

[31:58] demographic that's landlocked and you know what they can't move from where they are.

[32:04] So they're really kind of, I mean it's a good investment.

[32:07] That's what a collective communities is the one that bought Hendrix, they bought West

[32:12] Older, they have lavender meadows because the people can't go anywhere and that's kind

[32:17] but then they're buying it, and 775, for I know else, if you put down a ticket, look at it,

[32:22] and I know it's what I'm talking about. It's not a, you know, that you're going to price

[32:28] everybody out of there. I mean, you know, whether it sells or not, at 775, you're going to lose

[32:33] a majority of people. Because a lot of people don't have a choice. Nope. If they have a, the only

[32:39] thing they own is a single wide mobile that's many years old. Nobody's going, and they certainly

[32:44] I can't move it.

[32:46] Right.

[32:46] That's been the issue as they don't have any means to move these things and even place

[32:54] like the ones that I'm experiencing where we are paying subsidies, the landlords have not

[33:01] maintained the property, and half the time I go in and I say, this is not habitable, so

[33:08] this person can't stay there anymore, but we don't have an alternative of where to move

[33:12] them out too. I mean,

[33:17] so we do that in that case. They just stay there. They soon?

[33:22] We've actually moved people out and found different places for them, but it's almost impossible

[33:27] because you don't have the housing stock here. So it takes us some time to find, you know,

[33:32] it might take us three months, but we move them out of that space. You know, I've had one

[33:39] We've done water samples out of the taps and made them clean up their taps.

[33:49] I mean, the conditions of the mobile parks and the maintenance of the systems and the properties that are there has been very minimal.

[34:03] They have been the cash cow.

[34:05] We just shove money in and they don't do any maintenance on on the properties.

[34:13] So

[34:13] Yeah, they do is what so now I want to go out from my perspective is now

[34:19] They want to sell them because there has not been any maintenance on them and it be to the new buyer

[34:27] It's because they have to bring them all up to the current standards. It's going to be it's going to be a lift

[34:33] You know, that's what happened in forks is the one trailer park out there and they'll

[34:39] wait up.

[34:39] You know, it had been so bare minimum maintenance on it, everything else, so we're

[34:44] with the new landlord came in there that he had to take it to a thousand holders just

[34:48] to get the infrastructure.

[34:50] You know, backing to any kind of shape that was, you know, passing health department.

[34:56] So, to go on.

[34:57] Thank you very much.

[35:00] When we're all fingering with our plans, the folks who want to create every and being out of the structured

[35:08] block of land and it's capitalism, it's still profit, it's just that we're getting so many referrals for

[35:16] Mincie and these folks are all getting to create a 50-month and 14, they can't afford seven, seven, five, they can't.

[35:28] I would love to see some kind of a regulation, although that goes over well in our community.

[35:34] I have seen 40 trailer cords for these modular home areas are designated as being a hand inside

[35:42] and not they can't be used for Airbnb or some kind of creation of a rental where they can get it

[35:50] $300 a night for the places that are renting.

[35:54] You make short-term rental.

[35:57] Yeah.

[35:58] Because it's killing our housing in Wom County.

[36:03] Yeah, throughout the whole country.

[36:05] So, Tiffany.

[36:06] Would you do some research for us?

[36:08] And learn what other communities are doing so that we can focus on the solution side of this committee and bring it back to us next month.

[36:15] I think it's important that they also, at least one of these that we're talking about is within the city of Swim.

[36:20] And then I'm not sure if everything is in the city limits or not.

[36:24] So there might be some things we would do with those families and municipalities.

[36:31] Yeah, it's been looking into another place.

[36:34] Wait, let me tell you a bit of a second.

[36:36] Let me tell you a bit of a second.

[36:38] Let me tell you a bit of a second.

[36:39] If you go back to your question, I think another thing's heard before.

[36:43] Your thoughts are fine.

[36:44] Your thoughts are fine.

[36:46] Your thoughts are fine.

[36:47] But it's almost like a patient and that's not she needs to do this, using not to all to protect you, but like you, so I didn't stop saying that.

[37:00] Because it was interesting when, when was looking at the overlay, and that she's not all in here this morning, so I don't know where we were out with it.

[37:09] But the senior step, we're coming forward and we're not so much.

[37:14] They don't seem so much about the raising of feed, as the fact that they were looking to

[37:21] they thought that they were looking to drive them out, and then read as well off the property.

[37:28] That kind of good, I mean, I think it's kind of a little above, because like going to

[37:33] send with idle wheels, you're not going anywhere, you know, with every green.

[37:38] Those people aren't going anywhere, because you know, what those are, probably 73s, you know,

[37:45] 676 is that you're not putting, you're not moving anywhere.

[37:49] I mean, if you try to pick them up and move them, then they're all wrong.

[37:52] So, you know, if, you know, if what they're recognizing is that, you know, trying to maintain

[38:00] existing housing stock, you know, if we could define this broadly is what, you know, one of

[38:06] most important goals as a community,

[38:12] that we know that as we just been talking about,

[38:17] most people are stuck there and don't really have the choice. We know that there's multiple

[38:25] properties for sale that aren't necessarily moving quickly. Is there any opportunity to

[38:33] do some analysis with any, you know, any local developers to look at our

[38:39] Bellany kind of public public partnerships that might make sense that we

[38:44] could focus on what you know right now to be at risk. That's right in front of

[38:52] our face to see if there's some different way to, you know, if there's an

[38:57] opportunity there is, you know, something like that of a possibility,

[39:02] is it designed?

[39:07] Well, you know, thinking out of the boxes, we do have grants coming up for

[39:12] HTF that are for housing preservation, and we might be able to put a small team of people

[39:19] together and write one of the things that we can figure out, the costs per infrastructure

[39:26] and partner with one of these landlords, and help them, or your landlord.

[39:33] or either way, even if they retain their property, but were able to help them bring it up to

[39:42] standards, so they can take care of some of those extra spots that they can't rent because

[39:50] a lot of the people have trailers that they've purchased, which actually don't fall under anything

[39:57] I can subsidize.

[40:01] Because if they purchase their trailer and they're renting a lot from Ukraine, I can't do anything with that, because I pay rents.

[40:13] I don't know, but I mean, I know that we're looking for some potential opportunities for the modular A.D. use.

[40:26] that the generation has been working on.

[40:31] I don't know if there's enough volume across all of these,

[40:35] but obviously the vast majority of these trailers are mobile homes

[40:40] are either past their safe life or will be soon.

[40:45] We're looking for market opportunities,

[40:48] it's a bad situation for everybody.

[40:53] If there's a team that we can fit together or I don't know, if there's a simple to look at working with the development community to figure out what is there any kind of an opportunity and if so, what does that look like and how could public dollars potentially be brought to bear to support maintaining and improving that housing stock?

[41:15] No, potentially expanding the client on a deal like

[41:19] I feel like there should be something every person.

[41:21] I also think you're on to something in that if the public is

[41:27] somehow engaged in investment in that process, the public can then

[41:33] articulate the requirements for the private order to accept that investment,

[41:39] which then means you could then limit how you deal with

[41:42] increases, you could deal with, short-term rentals, etc, because that's the boss of getting

[41:49] this public investment. I think you're in more difficult ground if we have a private

[41:56] entity that's on take private business and then suddenly wants to change their business model.

[42:01] And then we, the government, expect them to do what they've been doing because that's been

[42:05] for our benefit and the community's benefit, but they would have, and try to say we can't change

[42:11] business model. And most we're going to give them some incentive that helps them address those

[42:18] registered tax rate for those because they need to succeed, et cetera. I think the public

[42:24] credit partnership would be a really interesting one to talk about. The other option is,

[42:30] and this has been talked about 10 or 15 years ago, West,

[42:37] Pamtee, and I about, you know, whatever

[42:40] If the housing authority or another entity purchases the property and then starts working with the tenants on their replacing units and finding ways to do that

[42:57] deal with the infrastructure, etc.

[43:00] It just was one of those things or no one wanted to jump in and do that.

[43:03] and then maybe now, but that work we probably

[43:08] prior to partnership could be very official,

[43:10] but maybe kind of spreading the good and the bad to both.

[43:14] Well, that certainly seems like one potential route to me,

[43:18] and also it seems like a natural to investigate

[43:21] whether community land trust, it seems like it could be tailor-made,

[43:30] you know, really to support a community like and address mobile home park, particularly if there's some opportunity over the course of the next 10 years to make investments or overhauls and some of the infrastructure that's there that just seems like it would be a win for everybody and there's

[43:54] And that's where I say conferences were to notice the opportunity to compete and they were

[44:00] looking at the community's plan to us.

[44:02] They were looking at non-profits, local government, local housing authorities, you know,

[44:07] those sort of public private relations that have to go in on, that's looking back.

[44:12] That was Congress that was talking about this from the opportunity to compete.

[44:17] And that's probably one of those areas that, you know, if like Sharon was just talking about

[44:22] looking at how do we go to HTF, how's the trust fund?

[44:27] And say, this is what we're looking to do.

[44:30] But we're looking to put this into, you know,

[44:33] trend, a led trust, as you know, instead of, you know.

[44:38] So how does this group organize over the next couple of months

[44:42] for how does something organize to maybe do a little bit more

[44:48] analysis and, you know, think about, you know, if there's one or more potential alternatives

[44:56] that seem viable to lay those out.

[45:00] What next steps might look like so that the figure can discuss whether that's a direction that is worth pursuing or not.

[45:07] And I feel like after this group has done so much work, last couple years trying to figure out a process.

[45:15] And, you know, really made some substantial initial investment.

[45:19] And I would like to think it's really a good time right now, just, you know, really sort of focus attention and a slightly different direction.

[45:26] And this seems like a very timely and important opportunity that if we can figure out a model maybe

[45:36] and something that can be replicated.

[45:40] So, I can't think it, but first of all, I don't disagree with that at all.

[45:44] I think a committee can sit down.

[45:46] I always work in real numbers, which is a terrible thing, right?

[45:49] And I always, when I take a look at public private, I think about the private side, you know, and

[45:57] whatever the screwp is, we need the private side to be there if you're actually going to look at how we

[46:02] coalesce and come together because I'm trying to think of why I want this private side person.

[46:08] Now, I might invest, but I don't know that a lot of other people would, so that's the whole issue.

[46:13] You have to expect them to receive a return on investment if they are going to participate.

[46:20] Great.

[46:21] They don't expect them not to.

[46:23] Well, that's the benefit of having a couple of different models.

[46:26] You know, they're going to come back different places to look.

[46:29] Because maybe one model fits the situation here, maybe it doesn't fit in their officer.

[46:35] No, no, no.

[46:36] I can't, again, it's all, I mean, I don't disagree.

[46:42] I think we all, you and I both said they're in the middle of the little park and the people coming in

[46:48] who are in fixed income, but raising rates is, you know, the disastrous to them, you know.

[46:54] But the same token I'm looking at, you know, affordable housing at 80 to 120%

[46:59] who if we don't have any housing for, by the way, and they're in the low income 60% doesn't satisfy that need.

[47:07] So where does that come from?

[47:08] You know, if there's another issue, I haven't figured out where that, that 80 done and 20% of

[47:15] this county, how we're going to build that, I mean maybe opportunity fund, but other than that,

[47:20] I don't see any other way, so, you know, so we've got a couple of holes, so I mean it's kind of maybe

[47:25] maybe right, we need to think about, this is one group, this is another group, yeah, and maybe break it apart and

[47:33] think about it, you know, in discrete little sections.

[47:36] So I guess I really just see these mobile home parks going on for sale as a unique dynamic.

[47:44] You know, there's obviously a lot of turnover and ownership or there is the desire for

[47:51] some turnover and ownership.

[47:52] We've seen a really changing dynamic at those parks in terms of the way that their rental fees

[48:00] are increasing and in ways that have been unusual and unexpected and knowing that there are

[48:09] several for sale. To me that just says that that is worth a specific focus. It's only

[48:18] one piece of overall picture for sure, but it's a really important piece that's easy to overlook

[48:25] and the opportunity is now right now.

[48:28] And maybe there won't be a model that makes sense.

[48:33] But there is.

[48:33] I sure would like to understand whatever it is.

[48:36] So.

[48:37] But that group needs to also do the vetting.

[48:40] I mean, I appreciate what Grave's saying.

[48:42] If someone's saying, oh, here's the model.

[48:44] And you're going to get 750.

[48:46] And you're calling me this other lender.

[48:48] Meadows has 500.

[48:50] So there's something going on here.

[48:52] Maybe someone just hope he did.

[48:54] So find a greater full lot here to go by it, I don't know if it has been, let's say when

[48:59] you look at Idol Wheels, it's been what's calling Greg, a year now, probably,

[49:06] at least

[49:07] six months a year, it's been on the market, if I don't worry about it, yeah, and they started

[49:13] I think I think so.

[49:18] How has it?

[49:19] Jones, the South.

[49:25] Are you going to say something?

[49:26] I was just going to kind of recap if what I heard is correct because it sounded to be like

[49:34] Mark passed for subcommittee to work on the mobile home park and people that had the public

[49:41] and private interest and need to volunteer.

[49:43] I heard that too.

[49:44] Thank you. I did it right now.

[49:47] You're the committee he's chair right?

[49:49] I'm inside.

[49:51] That's right.

[49:52] I'm going to be up.

[49:54] Right.

[49:57] Thank you.

[49:58] Oh, right.

[50:00] Mark? Rod? We need the private sector on that, in a real turn, too, by the way. If you don't mind reaching out,

[50:10] because that input is going to be critical. And there's a couple of local investors that all they do is look at these type of projects.

[50:21] And one used to be a commercial banker, and I think getting him involved would be pretty helpful.

[50:29] Just be really helpful.

[50:31] Who was that?

[50:32] Oh, Jesse.

[50:33] Okay.

[50:34] Who?

[50:35] Jesse Mom.

[50:35] If you were to manage to do this.

[50:38] First discussion with them.

[50:40] We'll have a couple of discussion with them and he said,

[50:42] What are you going to hear us in about one of the concerns that she's seeing?

[50:46] Great.

[50:46] You need someone who's in that argument.

[50:48] Well, I will work with Tim to pull this group together and try and get into the set as it is possible.

[50:58] I also think there would make sense to invite Kathy Morgan to make sure that there's a community of land trust perspective there and help us understand whether that's an actual opportunity or what I'm making up in my head.

[51:11] Am I right that it's either or it's either the land trust or it's an investor or private investor?

[51:19] Because they both seem to fill the same role, the owners of the real property, not the improvements, and they might rise it out.

[51:33] So, seems like we go with the private investor, maybe the public portion is doing the infrastructure.

[51:40] Right improvements, potentially.

[51:43] Very, very good.

[51:43] Calling that's exactly how I was thinking about it.

[51:47] Obviously, if it doesn't make sense for private sector, then it would be important to know that.

[51:54] If it would make sense given some infrastructure investments, then it would be helpful to know that.

[52:03] And if it just absolutely is it going to make sense at all,

[52:07] whether a land trust model might make sense would be helpful to know, and maybe there's other things in between, but thus seem to be a minimum like kind of the two ends of the spectrum.

[52:17] Any investors going to look at what? Conditions are existing to get involved with the project, whether it's a land trust or private.

[52:27] The development is a response to population, and so people jump into the development if they're an opportunity, but the population growth is what creates the demand.

[52:44] That demand is influenced by regulations which increase risk and cost.

[52:50] So, as risk and cost increase,

[52:55] you begin to narrow investors will link to jump into that

[52:59] in.

[53:01] And then that risk and cost to replace new things with those added costs and risk brings

[53:08] the risk of the market up behind it.

[53:10] So, something that is affordable today, suddenly is worth more because everything that

[53:16] to do new, gives us sucking notes, and follow up underneath it.

[53:21] So that regulatory environment is the critical thing, I think, in the big picture that influence us all this.

[53:33] Yeah, sure is, made a couple of comments.

[53:35] She has a walk, a RFC Northwest, is a cooperative ownership for the tenants, and she says that

[53:46] President twice for him in an equity housing cooperatives, so for them to find their kind of

[53:53] similar what I mean I were talking about with Victoria and Cassie Morgan has volunteered to serve.

[54:01] I apologize.

[54:03] Thank you.

[54:03] Okay.

[54:04] I apologize.

[54:05] I apologize.

[54:09] Okay.

[54:12] Thank you.

[54:13] Thank you.

[54:14] Thank you.

[54:16] Thank you.

[54:16] And we'll look forward to hearing more about that in the future.

[54:21] Anything else before we return?

[54:25] Community.

[54:27] Anything else?

[54:29] I know.

[54:31] So I was asked to give an update on the homeless task force five year plan.

[54:37] We are in the process of vetting a consultant to help develop.

[54:42] And that plan is going to dovetail into this plan for the housing.

[54:51] So we haven't led the contract yet.

[54:54] We have had our first two meetings and set the agenda.

[55:00] Our due date is October.

[55:06] We want to discover update.

[55:09] Kind of update.

[55:11] Thanks to Ethan. He's catalogued all of our programs that we're working on right now.

[55:16] We have a few-weir program that started January 1 for building permits for infallousing

[55:20] and other portable types of housing.

[55:22] And we've currently, as of today, I guess, we have $140,700 and $700 and things.

[55:34] How many about it?

[55:37] I'm in a unit.

[55:39] How many units?

[55:42] Applications.

[55:44] Yeah.

[55:44] 14.

[55:45] Some of those, some of those.

[55:45] It's like what's this?

[55:52] So, do you think that's the difference we're invested in?

[55:58] I think it is definitely something that it's not exactly like creating, how is it

[56:06] but it's definitely making housing more achievable.

[56:10] We have so many programs right now that are going to stack on top of each other that I think

[56:14] it's starting to really, for starting to see the numbers in the pipeline.

[56:18] So we're starting

[56:24] to address one of our

[56:29] corporate plans, our really kicking off two,

[56:32] we're getting some investors.

[56:34] And at the sub-dimensional level, interested in putting those on the ground.

[56:39] So they're picking up their plans.

[56:41] The city is already approved.

[56:43] So you don't have all the other issues and utilizing those.

[56:46] Yeah, and we have some investors looking into, we worked with the architect and the engineer for the plans and

[56:56] you know, ways to make those plans even more affordable to construct.

[57:01] So, you know, it's just, you know, whether it's the treatments inside or what have you like making it so that it goes from

[57:06] to $250,000, you know, to $250,000, you know, $250,000, you know,

[57:14] $250,000.

[57:14] material, so you can't meet the new code if you don't do, which is cost, it's also stream

[57:23] going through the new process, which is a bit, that's our real big focus right now.

[57:29] You know, we have all these programs, how do we make it even easier?

[57:33] Getting it right all the way

[57:37] through.

[57:39] We do have more programs in 2022, it's Milwaukee trails that I'm 14th straight, nearly

[57:48] I'm a little bit scared of my trail out there.

[57:50] I'm a walking that has terrible

[58:01] houses.

[58:04] Just seeing the plans that we have,

[58:07] and those sorts of things, they're like,

[58:23] maybe North Point.

[58:30] For public comment, any other public comment.

[58:42] My name's Danny Cyker.

[58:44] I'm down here.

[58:45] Just a comment.

[58:46] The question that you asked,

[58:47] Commissioner Johnson about is to sneak in a difference.

[58:50] I think it's really important for us to assess

[58:52] housing affordability has been a death by a thousand cuts.

[58:56] right it's not any single thing that's made this so difficult to attain so I do want to give

[59:03] the city credit for this sort of thing but it's going to take a thousand bandage to get

[59:08] this done so please do continue on that those things help regulations anything we can do

[59:14] with that side of things streamlining helps you know the amount of months that things stick

[59:18] in the process that's huge expenses that just add up so I just encourage thank you for that

[59:23] And keep pushing.

[59:25] Thank you.

[59:26] Thank you.

[59:52] I'm going to have an ashabag with my interest.

[59:54] Thank you.

[59:55] Thank you.

[59:58] That's what I've got.

[1:00:05] I will send you a note about why the meeting had it, your portion was that bad.

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