[0:00] It is 708, and I will call this meeting to order. First item on the agenda is roll call.

[0:09] Thank you.

[0:10] Left, right. Council member Diaz.

[0:13] Yes, President. Vice Mayor 1.

[0:15] I'm here.

[0:16] I'm here.

[0:17] Mayor 1. Council member Trippiano.

[0:20] I'm here.

[0:20] Council member Tillman.

[0:22] You have a call.

[0:23] Next item is the pledge of allegiance.

[0:25] If you would join.

[0:51] Thank you, the first item, or the next item is public comment on non-agenda items, if anyone has a comment that is not on the agenda or regarding an item that is not on the agenda tonight.

[1:02] Now's your time. We have speaker cards, or you can raise your hand. No pressure.

[1:13] All right, Mr. Miller.

[1:29] Sure. I think we should go now so that we don't have to continue and do the out of order. So if you would

[1:36] oblige, that would be great.

[1:44] If you could, if you could turn the microphone on, that would be great. Thank you.

[1:48] Thank you.

[1:49] Right there. Thank you.

[1:51] The obvious, but why don't put these on and then I'll be able to see it. Well, thank you for letting me make

[1:58] presentation you've been given. Some pictures, unfortunately, you don't get in

[2:02] in color or I apologize.

[2:06] It's very ironic that the G had guys said, well, we

[2:10] don't pay attention to non-residential areas, and I'm going to demonstrate why.

[2:14] You look at the first picture. Look at that pipe. That pipe that's bent over is the

[2:21] pipe line indicator for the high pressure pipeline. The slope's moving. The slope's moving

[2:27] You can look at the inclinometers, all over that slope, and it's moving badly.

[2:34] You should monitor it, you should take care of it, and it's a real safety hazard.

[2:41] The second one, the second picture, if you turn it 90 degrees this way, you can get a pretty good idea.

[2:48] This is a slot with what's called slapping.

[2:52] This is the embankment along the segment of the road.

[2:55] There's several of these.

[2:57] This blocks the curb and gutter.

[2:59] It's a storm water pollution prevention violation.

[3:03] It needs to be taken care of.

[3:05] It needs to be addressed.

[3:06] You had to do it last year.

[3:08] And you got to do it already again this year.

[3:11] The third picture is just to show you how the fire has

[3:15] here of all the debris, all the grasses, all that, that's just right against the road.

[3:22] Somebody splits a cigarette, somebody drops a chain, accidentally sparks from some vehicle.

[3:31] You got real problems, and you need to address this right away.

[3:34] It is really a big hazard.

[3:38] The last picture is a blow up of that area.

[3:42] I want you to all look at this real carefully and identify where the V ditch is and the drop train in that.

[3:52] You are folks. You can't, it is a dare. I've sent this picture to council members, to former administrative service people, to former city manager for over three or four years.

[4:06] It's not been cleaned out, it failed once, a couple years ago, about three years ago, and it's going to fail again.

[4:15] And so you need to address it.

[4:16] This is a safety hazard, a really, really big safety hazard.

[4:21] I have a, well, I don't practice anymore, but I have a degree in soil mechanics.

[4:27] And so I know a little bit of why I'm talking about, you've got a real slow problem.

[4:31] Number one, you've got a real fire problem, number two,

[4:34] and you got a real stormwater prevention problem number three and I'm just bringing this to the

[4:40] Council's attention. You can do nothing about it. That's fine. But it is a problem. It is a violation

[4:46] into some laws, state laws that thank you.

[4:53] Thank you.

[4:56] There's any other public comment.

[5:00] On non agenda items, seeing none, I will close item number three. Next is our consent counter, however, we're going to change the order a little bit, because I think this may be a popular item. Next is the recognitions and presentations item 5a. And this is the Certificates of Recognition, for students, for the do the right thing program, and I will turn the floor over to council member Thomas.

[5:30] Thank you, Mayor. I'm going to grab the portable microphones, so I'm going to switch to those

[5:35] hold on.

[5:40] We have to put them up to our mouth. Okay. All right. Thank you. Okay, great.

[5:46] I'm going to first have a Vice Principal Romo come on up from Mount Diablo Elementary School,

[5:51] and there are a lot of new faces in here today. So I'll just give you a little brief history of the

[5:56] the right thing program. This was started about 10 years ago by Mayor Hank Stratford. And we have

[6:10] we have several character traits that we observe throughout the school year. You can see them right

[6:15] down here on this, what do you call that? It's not a poster banner. Thank you. It's been a long

[6:21] work day. On the banner, so we observe or recognize inclusion, courage, integrity, kindness,

[6:28] respect responsibility and self discipline and self discipline is the one that we will be

[6:32] recognizing and that's usually these are given out for January and February and we give them

[6:38] out in March. But we're going to pretend like it's March even though it's April 21st. So first

[6:43] up we have Harlan Costa and all.

[6:56] Alright Harlan is in Miss Lovejoy's kindergarten class and Miss

[7:01] love joy at this to say about Harlin. Harlin is a wonderful friend who shows great

[7:07] to self-discipline at every single day in our classroom. Harlin listens carefully when

[7:11] the teacher talks, sits nicely during circle time, and always tries to her best to follow

[7:16] our classroom rules. When it is time to clean up, Harlin helps put a toys away without being asked,

[7:23] and Harlin uses kind words with friends. Harlin makes our classroom a happy and peaceful place

[7:28] because of all these good choices.

[7:30] Congratulations, Harlan.

[7:31] Congratulations.

[7:37] All right, next time I'm going to bring up Ms. Brown

[7:39] to present the word to William Howard.

[7:44] Hi, William.

[7:47] Hi, I was so excited when I got my classroom roster

[7:50] back in August and I saw that I had a Howard on my list

[7:53] because I worked with Mrs. Howard

[7:55] his grandma before she retired from out-double elementary school.

[7:59] And what I found out is that her grandson

[8:01] is a delightful young man. I nominated you for a self-discipline for a mouth-developed elementary school.

[8:09] You consistently make positive choices in our classroom and on the playground. You are very resilient

[8:15] and hardworking. You complete your homework and your classwork on time. You're a very eager

[8:20] reader. You take a lot of pride in taking your weekly AR quizzes and on your home reading books.

[8:26] You always come up to me and class look. I passed another Christmas Brown. Usually a hundred percent.

[8:31] He follows directions in all of our school rules. He is very well-liked. He has many friends, because you know why you're friendly and you're respectful.

[8:41] You're a gift to our classroom Mr. William Howard. Congratulations.

[9:10] All right, next up we have Giovanna, Bantara. Come on.

[9:18] you can do it awesome Giovanna is in our Miss Bevers for a straight class and she said

[9:28] I would like to nominate Giovanna for self discipline she works hard and is always on task and does her

[9:35] schoolwork before engaging in choice activities Giovanna is a joy to have in the classroom

[9:41] Congratulations,

[9:58] many yes, all right, and

[10:00] And our last one is Sammy Garvin, come on up.

[10:07] Sammy is in Miss Kios, fifth grade class, and she had this to say about Sammy. Sammy, sweet smile

[10:13] and easy-going nature are two things that are most readily apparent when it comes to her

[10:17] personality in class. However, under that is dedicated student. She is a great listener

[10:22] and follows directions well. Sammy always seems to know what to do and can stick to her timelines.

[10:27] I don't think I've ever had to give her reminders or manage her on time and using it

[10:31] actively. I can see her anywhere in class and she won't let the socialization effect work her

[10:36] habits, which is a fifth grade task let's say. She has always prepared and ready to go.

[10:41] It's great requires a lot of discipline as we prepare the students for the increasing amount

[10:45] of independence as well as navigating the academic and social aspects that will be required in

[10:50] middle school. Self-discipline is a key tool to have in order to manage all of that.

[10:55] Samy seems to have it while keeping a smile on her face as you see and finding balance in

[11:00] school life and social life. I am lucky to have Sammy in my class. Graduation.

[11:16] I know I saw Principal Romo. There you are. Hi. I mean Wilson. Wilson. Wilson, come on down.

[11:25] She'll call you by the name that you're given. You're you go.

[11:29] All right. So from the obelove you middle school, I will give it to you and we have of Hunter.

[11:34] All right. So, Hunter, come on up, buddy.

[11:41] Hunter was nominated by Ms. Ryan Nower, and she says that so Hunter is a great student.

[11:47] He is kind and respectful to his peers and adults alike, but what really sets him apart

[11:52] is his self-discipline. Hunter sometimes misses my class to go see Ms. Ziya, but he

[11:58] seamlessly transitions back into what he missed as soon as he returns. He is great about

[12:03] asking questions when he doesn't understand something and he is always on task with the materials

[12:07] he needs. I'm so proud of all that Hunter has accomplished this year. Congratulations Hunter.

[12:13] This award is well-deserved.

[12:18] I think I'll make a good picture.

[12:27] Joshua Regas. Joshua Discaza.

[12:36] Joshua's nominated by Ms. Parker. Ms. Parker says this. Joshua is so hardworking. He's always

[12:43] down to business and completes his work with diligence. Even if he's struggling, he won't give up.

[12:49] He's stays on tasks and always goes that extra mile.

[12:53] He takes a lot of self-discipline to master those areas,

[12:57] especially as a seventh grader, and he just shines.

[13:00] So congratulations.

[13:03] Good job, John.

[13:04] You got a photo?

[13:05] And Josh's gone.

[13:06] Give it a go.

[13:08] See, Josh.

[13:12] And last but not least, Emma Kaya-Home.

[13:23] And I was nominated by Mr. Tabe and he says this, I nominated Emma for do the right thing award for self-discipline because she is highly motivated and consistently demonstrates remarkable control over her choices.

[13:36] While they're facing academic challenges or peer distractions, Emma chooses focus, responsibility, and integrity every single day.

[13:44] She sets high standards for herself and has great organizational skills in maintaining an orderly notebook, keeping materials, and coming to class prepared.

[13:55] And the quietly leads by example in our classroom.

[13:57] Her self-discipline is steady, genuine, and inspiring to everyone she meets.

[14:03] You guys did it.

[14:05] I know dad wants to do it.

[14:16] Mayor, I will turn it back over to you.

[14:17] Do you want to invite everyone to stay while we do the other presentations?

[14:21] I think that they should for a few minutes.

[14:25] Are we going to go back to the officers?

[14:28] Yeah, okay.

[14:30] It's great to do the presentations first.

[14:32] We get all the good stuff.

[14:33] We get all the good stuff in the beginning.

[14:37] All right.

[14:37] So for our new officers, you get a large audience.

[14:42] That concludes item 5A.

[14:43] Next is 5B.

[14:44] The Introduction of Surrey and ceremony of two new police officers.

[14:47] I believe I'm handing this over to our police chief.

[15:03] If I could just, you know, as a small city, we have very few officers compared to some larger cities, but they are a very dedicated force and it's important that especially for our younger folks to know the officers in their community. So, this great, you can see two of the of our new officers here today.

[15:21] Thank you, Mayor. Mayor, council, public, family, it's an honor this evening to introduce you to two new Clayton police officers and it's exciting.

[15:34] I've been here for just a short time now and it's exciting to welcome two new officers to our agency into this department and to our community.

[15:43] So I'm going to have the two gentlemen please come forward

[15:49] and if you can stand off over there and face the audience.

[16:00] So I'd like to introduce you to two fine gentlemen that have joined the Clayton Police Department.

[16:09] You guys go over there.

[16:11] All right.

[16:12] Okay.

[16:15] First is Officer Jacob Jake McPherson.

[16:25] I'll share a little with you about Jake.

[16:29] Officer McPherson, who goes by Jake, grew up in Vacaville, California.

[16:34] Multi-Sport athlete, he competed in wrestling, rugby, and soccer.

[16:39] He went on to play Division I Rugby at Chico State, where he helped lead his team to the

[16:43] national championship game, earnings silver medal.

[16:48] During his time at Chico State, Jake served as the vice president and president of the

[16:53] Rugby Club, and earned his bachelor's degree in criminal justice.

[16:57] Officer McPherson joined the Clayton Police Department in January and is currently in the last

[17:02] stages of his field training program.

[17:05] He is extremely excited to begin his law enforcement career serving the residents and businesses

[17:09] of Clayton.

[17:10] He looks forward to meeting everyone who works for the city and contributing to the safety

[17:14] and well-being of this beautiful community.

[17:19] In his free time, Jake enjoys spending time with friends and family attending concerts and

[17:24] stand-up comedy shows. Playing pickleball and playing video games is the new generation.

[17:34] He has also taken notice of the Bachi ball games downtown while I'm patrol and hopes to join

[17:40] them soon. Not on duty, Jake. Penny and Officer McPherson will be his mother, Andrea.

[17:50] Andrea served as a dispatcher for 29 years with the California Highway Patrol and the

[17:56] this past Christmas. She has, she has thoroughly enjoying her retirement and is excited to see

[18:02] your son begin knowing a lot, her, his new law enforcement career. So please give a hand

[18:07] for Officer McPherson.

[18:15] Like to introduce to you Officer Gabriel Phelps.

[18:25] Officer Phelps was born

[18:27] in raise in the Bay Area and he currently resides in Salon County with his wife, two daughters

[18:31] and son. Officer Phelps joins the Clayton Police Department from the Concord Police Department

[18:36] where he served as a jailer. Prior to that, he worked as a police officer with a Honolulu

[18:40] Metropolitan Police Department. We got one. All right. Officer Phelps is excited to begin this new

[18:50] chapter with the Clayton Police Department. He looks forward to working closely with local businesses

[18:54] and residents while delivering the highest level of service and professionalism to the community.

[19:00] Tonight, Penny and Officer Phelps will be his son, Ace Phelps. Please give a hand for Officer

[19:13] Now I'm going to ask some assistance from Ace and Andrea, would you please come forward?

[19:27] That one?

[19:29] Dr. A. Goodfell.

[19:31] If you would please stand next to your respective officers, please. Don't mess this one up, all right?

[19:39] So now we're going to give the oath of office,

[19:44] and then they will be pinned.

[19:45] Okay, gentlemen, if you please raise your right hand and you're going to repeat after me,

[19:53] I state your name, do solemnly swear,

[19:59] that I will-

[20:00] Support and defend the Constitution of the United States,

[20:07] and the Constitution of the State of California,

[20:13] against all enemies foreign and domestic,

[20:18] that I will bear true faith and allegiance to

[20:23] the Constitution of the United States,

[20:28] and the Constitution of the State of California,

[20:32] that I take this obligation freely,

[20:37] without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion,

[20:47] and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter.

[20:59] Congratulations, gentlemen.

[21:11] We got to do that, kind of.

[21:15] All right, please pin your officers.

[22:02] One last thing for the police department on April 30th Thursday, April 30th,

[22:07] will be hosting our first coffee with the cops at roadside 22 with

[22:12] let's grind coffee so please join us if the public we'd love to have you there.

[22:19] All right thank you very much.

[22:23] The time is from 9 a.m. to 10.

[22:27] 9 to 10.

[22:32] All right we have one more presentation and this is a proclamation

[22:38] recognizing April 29th through the 25th as National Library Week and so I'm going

[22:46] read this very brief proclamation,

[22:52] and I think we're presenting it to

[22:54] this power.

[22:56] Yes, perfect.

[22:58] All right.

[23:00] So we're as libraries for creativity, fuel and imagination, and inspired lifelong learning, offering

[23:06] space where individuals of all ages can find joy through exploration and discovery.

[23:11] We're all in the library right now.

[23:13] Whereas library serve as vibrant community hubs, connecting people with knowledge, technology,

[23:19] and resources while fostering civic engagement, critical thinking, and cultural enrichment.

[23:24] And whereas libraries provide free and equitable access to books, digital tools, and innovative programming,

[23:30] ensuring that all individuals regardless of background have the support they need to learn, connect, and thrive.

[23:36] And whereas libraries partner with schools, businesses, and organizations to maximize resources, increase efficiency,

[23:41] and expand access to essential services strengthening the entire community.

[23:47] And whereas libraries empower job seekers, entrepreneurs, and lifelong learners by providing access to resources training and opportunities that support career growth and economic success.

[23:57] And whereas libraries nurture young minds through story time, steam programs, and literacy initiatives, fostering curiosity and a love of learning that lasts a lifetime.

[24:09] And we're as libraries protect the right to read, think, and explore without censorship,

[24:14] setting as champions of intellectual freedom and free expression.

[24:18] And we're as dedicated librarians and library workers provide welcoming spaces that inspire

[24:23] discovery, collaboration, and creativity for all.

[24:27] And we're as libraries, librarians, and library workers across the country are joining together

[24:31] to celebrate National Library Week under the theme of Find Your Joy.

[24:35] Now, therefore, be it resolved that I, Jeff Juan, mayor of the CEO Clean, proclaim April 19 through 25th, as National Library Week.

[24:44] During this week, I encourage all residents to visit their library, explorers, resources, and celebrate all the ways that the library helps our community find joy.

[24:53] And I believe this power is accepting the proclamation.

[25:04] It's my pleasure to be here tonight. Geneva is busy. Our community branch managers. Little short-handed today, but it is really my pleasure to be here because I have been involved with this library before it was since 1989. I believe it's very important place to this community and it's nice to have it acknowledged annually, so thank you very much.

[25:32] Thank you.

[25:36] Thank you. Thank you. Do you want to do a photo?

[25:42] Do you want to check a photo?

[25:44] You have to be a photo? Yeah, let's see.

[26:23] All right. That concludes item five of the presentations. I know that a lot of you are here for that, and if you want to say you're welcome to, but if not, we will not be offended if you want to do other things.

[26:37] So I will, I guess you can, can you give it to me?

[27:05] Okay, but just a minute.

[27:07] Yeah, give it to me.

[27:33] All right.

[27:36] We will continue with our regularly schedules agenda.

[27:39] And this will go back to item number four of the consent calendar.

[27:44] Does anyone have any items that they would like to pull from the consent calendar?

[27:52] Okay.

[27:55] Then I would actually like to make a comment on item C, and that's the contract list, isn't it?

[28:03] If no one else says then I will indulge.

[28:10] Is this report, so I just had a couple of questions.

[28:13] Are we?

[28:14] I was under the impression, because we saw a draft of a contract list prior.

[28:19] I can't recall the exact date, but when we did, it was quite extensive.

[28:23] And this list is not, so are we saying that this is a complete list or is this a not a complete list?

[28:34] It is not a complete list. It is a list and I think I put the criteria in which they applied to the all of the contracts.

[28:47] we probably have a couple of 300 different kinds, but what's included here is anything that's

[28:53] a service contract or a subscription that's greater than $30,000. And it does not include

[29:02] any contracts that are revenue contracts, it does not include any MOUs or agreements with other

[29:09] governmental entities,

[29:13] and I think that's all the criteria I applied to this.

[29:19] Okay, so one of the things you might notice is it's also a much shorter list because we've been

[29:24] eliminating contracts over the last several months. Do we have an idea of like the magnitude of

[29:31] elimination.

[29:34] Probably seven eight contracts in the like one a month at least and probably

[29:40] at a cost of

[29:45] probably $400,000 over an annualized basis.

[29:54] When you say $400,000 annualized,

[29:56] do you mean it's a reduction in contract spend of $400,000 annualized?

[30:00] Or, or a movement to another kind of contract that would reduce the cost. Yes. So one example is we had a couple hundred, well, hundred, and something, thousand dollar contract didn't get to 200. So I'll correct myself there for building maintenance, which was replaced by an in-house seasonal worker saving the city, the delta between their salary and that contract.

[30:30] Okay. Thank you. The note on the staff report says anything under the city manager's signature authority, but I think it is supposed to be over. Yeah, and then it wasn't, it's not under the purview of the city manager's signature authority. So you're, but you're right. It's the, the dollar amount would be over 30,000. Okay. Thank you. Yes.

[30:50] I just want to do anything else looming out there that we will be brought back to the council for review and approval.

[31:00] Contracts.

[31:02] We're kind of caught up.

[31:04] We're going to be doing some renewals.

[31:06] There'll be a number of renewals coming up.

[31:07] And if they exceed 30,000, then you'll.

[31:10] Thank you.

[31:11] Thank you.

[31:12] And just to note too, there'll be a number of others that are going to be coming off in August and September

[31:19] that are being replaced by the civic plus contract.

[31:23] So a number of those expire in that month.

[31:26] So those will be coming off in the next,

[31:29] probably the first quarter of 27.

[31:32] Okay, thank you.

[31:33] And then the only question that I had earlier today

[31:37] in my one-on-one with our city manager

[31:40] was the Bell Air Mechanical.

[31:43] So it's a $98,000 contract.

[31:45] Year to date is 22, five, six, so.

[31:48] Are we going to be saving some money or is there more work to come?

[31:53] There's more work to come.

[31:54] So we'll probably use that whole 98?

[31:59] No, we won't use the full 98.

[32:02] But again, one of the things that we do with the not to exceed amounts is we try to estimate what the

[32:06] annual spending would be and then we put that down.

[32:11] But we are only obligated to pay on that contract based on the services provided.

[32:16] Of course.

[32:17] Well, I was just wondering if budgeting was, you know, did we budget for 98 and yes, we didn't budget for 98 okay, and is that a needs fact company

[32:27] Bell air mechanical? Yes, it is okay. Yes, and they take care of the air conditioning here in this building as well as city hall

[32:34] I will say

[32:36] We are going to have to replace one of the two compressors on the air conditioning at city hall. It's going to be about a 15 thousand dollar item

[32:42] So, that's been ordered and is being shipped from these coasts.

[32:47] Okay, thanks.

[32:48] So that will help you into that 98.

[32:51] The good way.

[32:53] I do have one follow up.

[32:55] These contracts all the way through 2526 is that correct?

[32:59] Not beyond.

[33:01] A couple of them do extend into 27.

[33:05] But it just depends on the cycle.

[33:07] Some of the ones that we did earlier this spring.

[33:09] I tried to take all the way through to June 30th of 2027, but they're budgeted on an annual basis based on the fiscal budget.

[33:17] June 30th, 2027.

[33:19] Yes, sir.

[33:20] Okay.

[33:21] Well, there's one that goes through 28.

[33:23] Oh, I was there.

[33:25] Group.

[33:26] Civic plus.

[33:26] That's true.

[33:28] Okay.

[33:29] So they only ask I would have because I'm looking at the staff report.

[33:32] And it says,

[33:34] provide feedback. So my feedback would be if we're going to receive or

[33:39] we're like this, I would always like the, so what, what about it?

[33:45] Like you, you, you did definitely take an action, reduce the number

[33:48] contracts, look for contract savings, you're going to combine and

[33:52] consolidate or later something like that. So if there are these actions,

[33:57] I mean, I think that is really what you're trying to highlight. But this

[34:02] information without context, so I would include something that says, okay, here's why we are

[34:06] showing you this and what you like, how should I interpret it? If you provide the context,

[34:11] it'll help come across easier. I just had a couple of questions about the explorations. Some

[34:22] of them don't have explorations. What are we, why are you putting your hand on your head?

[34:29] That was like, I can't ask a question.

[34:31] I start talking and you're like, oh, god, not her.

[34:34] All right.

[34:35] Could you give me an example of the ones, yeah?

[34:37] Apex and rural pig and workers.com.

[34:44] So I can see that the contracts are executed,

[34:46] but there's no expiration date.

[34:48] We have them for a while.

[34:49] We'll be doing new contracts with them.

[34:52] Are we going to redefine the contracts?

[34:54] I guess it's the best way to ask it.

[34:55] Yeah, so the short answer is yes.

[34:58] We are going to redo those and have.

[35:00] In some cases, I have not been able to physically locate or electronically locate. The actual existing contracts.

[35:11] And so that's one of the issues with APACs in particular, but there are a couple of where regular contact with,

[35:23] but we are thinking about putting that out to bid as well.

[35:27] So. Okay. And then what about the other two?

[35:34] Workers.com and roll.

[35:37] Yeah, workers were winding down and that's one that's going to be eliminated in the fourth quarter.

[35:42] Okay.

[35:43] A real big contract was an ongoing contract, but we are exploring opportunities to do it in a different way.

[35:51] because right now it's not beneficial to us the way it's currently structured.

[35:57] Okay, and then for the auditing services with the expiration, I'm assuming you're working on a new one already if it's not already done.

[36:07] So there's actually two one-year options on that contract and we're trying to do some things to accelerate their service in the coming for the 26 audit.

[36:22] So that we can look at putting that out to bid in 27.

[36:31] And then the only other question I have because it will be a burning one is are we going to renew the all city management school crossing guard one which expires in June.

[36:39] You mentioned that someone you'd be facing out on that one that one we're going to continue.

[36:43] Thank you.

[36:49] Just one comment on that.

[36:51] We pay all the school district does not contribute a penny, right?

[36:54] For that contract, we pay the price for that contract, yeah.

[37:01] They provide some...

[37:04] For background, the school district does not provide funding, but the quarry does.

[37:11] Right, that's what it was, thank you, yes.

[37:14] They pay an agreed upon rate, or they pay an amount based on agreement that equals one crossing record.

[37:22] Is this been yours, the school district?

[37:27] You're you're Microsoft. Yeah, I was just saying it's been years the school district has as a refused

[37:32] But the county did a study. Oh, I want to say the last year with all the cities and every city approaches this different some pay some don't

[37:42] Depending on the district they provide money and some of them have no large no nothing

[37:47] I'm just yeah from a delineation of responsibility the safety on streets is falls on the bird the bird and falls on the municipality

[37:54] So that's why many districts in order to save money have made that choice.

[38:04] Any other questions?

[38:08] Public comment on the consent calendar.

[38:10] Seeing none.

[38:11] Close for comment.

[38:14] We have a motion approval.

[38:17] I'll second.

[38:19] Would you please call the roll?

[38:21] Council member Diaz.

[38:24] Council member Tupiano.

[38:25] Yes.

[38:26] Council member Tumman.

[38:27] I. Vice Mayor Anya? Yes. Mayor One. I. As five zero. The motion carries. All right.

[38:34] That concludes. I don't know where four can thank calendar. We've already done. I don't

[38:38] know where five. I don't know where six is reports. Seeing managers.

[38:43] Report. Thank you, Mayor. Councilmember.

[38:46] Main. It's an update. We've added a second contractor to assist with landscaping weeds

[38:52] and trees. So they've been out working.

[38:55] They started with the inbound side and the median of Oakhurst, they're flipping around, going

[39:00] to the outbound, also working on the hillside right over here, turning on the main street

[39:06] going downtown, trimming trees, removing what are referred to as suckers, that are trees

[39:13] that are just growing randomly, that have no purpose of getting rid of those,

[39:22] and then

[39:22] staff, remove the weeds at the dog park, and replace it with bark, get it, get it, get it?

[39:31] Yeah, that was yours, they can't all be winners.

[39:38] No, no, very few are.

[39:42] And then weed abatement for a fire danger in the open spaces, they're up working on Keller Ridge right now.

[39:47] They've expanded their crew size so they can get to more of it quicker.

[39:52] Can you address on the deadline for that?

[39:55] That's June 1st.

[39:56] June 1st.

[39:56] So all the stuff that we were talking about, the weeds, the things of the road, that...

[40:00] Other folks may have been mentioning June 1st. Must be done by June 1st and we will meet that deadline?

[40:06] No, I had to. Just real quick and just to set the expectation. So we are going to do the roadways, 30 feet off of the roadways and as indicated earlier in public comment, that is a major source of fire starts as dragon toe chains and whatnot.

[40:19] And then we're going to do 30 feet back from the fences of the property owners in the open space. We're not clear cutting the entire open space.

[40:26] We're going to comply with the law.

[40:27] We're going to comply with the law, by the deadline.

[40:30] Good choice.

[40:34] A couple of other quick things, Public Works Director.

[40:37] We had first interviews last week.

[40:40] Good Lord.

[40:41] I'm meeting with the two candidates.

[40:43] The final list later this week, and we'll make a determination and see if we can come

[40:47] to an agreement.

[40:49] We had a great group of candidates.

[40:51] We were very impressed.

[40:52] So looking forward to filling that role.

[40:55] the City Clerk Assistant at the City Manager has departed and that recruitment

[41:01] opened today. We're using the same firm that we used for the Public Works

[41:06] Director. So I thought that launched, so we're looking at interviews

[41:11] probably late May, mid to late May. And in the meantime, we have the beard of

[41:20] Mr. Skyler has the acting clerk and still fulfilling his role as a project manager, so he has plenty of fun to do.

[41:31] And last, I met with the county library as well as the architects the staff to noon.

[41:38] I had my date wrong.

[41:41] We are most likely, we have agreed that October November is the best time for construction

[41:48] because September is a little difficult with programs that they have going on in the library.

[41:53] So to accommodate them, we will start October.

[41:57] We will order the furniture in June.

[42:00] It takes about four months to get the furniture.

[42:03] And then we've got the, now that we have dates, we can build the timeline backwards and get everything

[42:08] kind of put together and move forward, so excellent, and that concludes my report.

[42:16] So you, you were going to do like a, like a readout of the progress of some of the activities

[42:21] that we talked about last, last week, is there, is that the structure, or is there more

[42:27] that was going on? Because I know that there's a lot of beautification type activities that

[42:33] going on, is there more in that front at this point, or is that just more to be on going

[42:39] thing?

[42:41] We're kind of developing that work plan as we go and trying to address this with

[42:45] the crews and so it's kind of a moving target, but yes, we will have more at each council

[42:53] meeting.

[42:53] We'll bring what we have either coming up or what was completed in the previous two

[42:58] weeks.

[42:58] Okay, can I ask that as part of that more, there's a view into the overall scope of work that we're doing?

[43:11] It's not necessarily just a two-week look, but a longer-term look so that us and the community have an idea of what to expect,

[43:18] maybe in the one to four-month range.

[43:21] Because I mean, I think that's like where we were really talking about ramping up activity.

[43:25] So it'd be good to get idea of what that should look like, so we have that kind of planned out.

[43:35] And even if it's a written report that's, you can verbally say it, but just like we include ours and writing.

[43:42] That might be a good idea too.

[43:44] Yeah.

[43:44] I think so the community knows, hey, we're all these things around the document and they're coming.

[43:49] It's can't all be done at once, but it'll come.

[43:52] So that'd be helpful, I think.

[43:57] First of all, compliments on the landscape maintenance, it's being very, very apparent that the

[44:03] team is out there taking care of it.

[44:04] In fact, one that gives a lot of visibility is right, I said the front door here and that's

[44:10] finally gotten that clear to us because now, and we're getting positive feedback, at least

[44:13] I am from the community that this is taking place, so it's long overdue and the ones that

[44:19] have talked to me are very happy with what's taking place.

[44:23] Back to your talk about the public works manager of all that person who will be one of the

[44:29] finalists or the two finalists, are they being interviewed by the staff? Are you using that process?

[44:38] Management staff interviewed them last week and then I'll be meeting with them this week.

[44:43] Good, thank you.

[44:46] And then the only thing I forgot to put in my council report and I'll have a full line up in my

[44:51] report for May 7th is that concerts in the growth is starting on May 16th and the entire line-up and

[44:59] flyer.

[45:00] Are on our concert in the group landing page on the website?

[45:04] Excellent. All right. Any other questions?

[45:10] All right, that concludes 5, 6a, our 6b, the reports are in the agenda packet.

[45:18] There is no item 7, and we will move on to item 8.

[45:24] This is action item, so item 8A looks like the first three items are a series of

[45:31] appointments that we are discussing.

[45:34] The first is for the trails in landscape committee, for Miss Karen Case.

[45:41] Is anyone from staff introducing this item?

[45:50] Well, sure.

[45:57] This is one of those items that got left last week with the clerks. So currently right now

[46:05] We had we had one opening on trails on landscape. One person has resigned about six weeks ago

[46:12] So there are two vacant positions and we've been taking we've had it open for applications for several months

[46:19] we had the last selection, and so this was the only applicant that we had, and so we brought

[46:29] this case forward this evening.

[46:33] Okay, thank you. Her application is in the agenda package. Yes.

[46:38] Does anyone have any questions?

[46:45] No, but I've received emails from her in the past, and she seems to be

[46:49] interested in things related to landscaping and our trails.

[46:58] So yeah, but she's not here tonight, right?

[47:01] I have never met her.

[47:02] She is not, I talked to her earlier, or late last week.

[47:06] She had a family situation horizon was not able to make it.

[47:13] Yeah, I definitely had communication in this case.

[47:14] I believe she does have a passion for the area, however,

[47:18] The only thing that I would say is that, you know, the work as a member of the TLC is not necessarily about landscaping itself,

[47:29] but it's more about the oversight and administration of the actual landscape maintenance district assessment.

[47:35] So as long as the person is up for that, then I'd have it.

[47:42] Okay.

[47:44] All right, public comment on item 8A.

[47:48] Seeing none, close public comment.

[47:52] Any other questions?

[47:54] Is there a motion?

[47:56] I'll make a motion to approve mis case for the

[48:00] chosen as gate committee for two now.

[48:02] I'll second.

[48:03] All right, if you would call the roll.

[48:05] Can do.

[48:07] Let's go left, right?

[48:08] Council member Diaz.

[48:09] Yes.

[48:10] Council member Trippiano?

[48:11] Yes.

[48:12] Council Member Tillman?

[48:14] I was still stuck on the left, right?

[48:17] Left to me.

[48:17] I apologize.

[48:18] Left to the audience watching.

[48:20] Is this like a large left?

[48:22] Yes.

[48:22] I didn't do stage as I can tell you.

[48:25] Councilman?

[48:26] Sorry.

[48:26] Vice Mayor Anya.

[48:27] Yes.

[48:28] And Mayor Juan.

[48:29] Okay.

[48:30] Motion carries 50.

[48:31] All right.

[48:32] That's 8A.

[48:33] 8B is considering the appointment of Mr.

[48:36] Anita Strannick.

[48:38] As the city of Clinton representative to the

[48:39] to County Advisory Council on Aging,

[48:45] or are you going to, I'm going to go to you at the beginning of each item, because it's coming to me.

[48:50] I got this background.

[48:53] The application should be in your pack, excuse me.

[49:05] I think the chief's given me his cold.

[49:11] Thank you.

[49:11] So, Mr. Anick also has submitted her application, should be in your packet.

[49:19] We are previously represented in a past way, and so we are looking to fill that position.

[49:28] And so again, we advertised it on the website, put some information out, and we have one

[49:36] application, and that is, Mr. Anick.

[49:39] So, I'll turn it over to you for questions or comments.

[49:47] Anyone would like to comment on the application of Ms. Strannick?

[49:51] I will just say that I know Ms. Strannick.

[49:57] And she is a member of the Clayton Valley Village.

[50:00] Is she, I know she's got a corporate background. I think she would be a great representative to the city and the council. And she has done some terrific training sessions with the clean valley village board. And I think she'll really do a terrific job. So she's not here tonight. Either I don't think so.

[50:28] Excellent. I don't know if anybody else knows her comment. I don't know. I don't eat b

[50:36] Seeing none. I will close public comments and is there a motion?

[50:42] I'll move for a minute. I'll second.

[50:45] Okay, we can move out the roll. Council member Tillman.

[50:49] Aye. Council member Chupiano.

[50:52] Yes. Council member Diaz. Yes. Vice Mayor Anya. Yes. Fair one. Aye. Motion

[50:58] carries files here. All right. That is item 8B. Next is item 8C. This is consider approving

[51:05] the reapplyment of Ed Miller to serve on the Contragust Transportation Authority

[51:11] Systems Advisory Committee. This should be no surprise.

[51:16] I'm 40 million.

[51:18] As stated, Mr. Miller has served on the CCTA citizens advisory committee in the past and actually

[51:25] term expired a little a little while ago, but it's still maintained.

[51:36] I still attended the meetings and he and I have had some conversations over the last

[51:40] couple months on some items. So his application to be re-appointed should be in your packet.

[51:47] I'll turn it back over to you for any comments or questions you may have from Mr. Miller.

[51:53] Any comments or questions? I see Mr. Miller's here.

[51:58] Well, I do have some comments and I do have some questions, Mr. Miller, you have been on this committee for seven years,

[52:13] but and I've been on the council almost four and I do not ever remember you reporting out to us and I'd like to hear your reasoning for that.

[52:22] You've also been on an expired term since 2023, and I don't know if it was our responsibility for yours to say,

[52:32] hey, I'm sitting here on an expired term, I'd like to stay on and reapply.

[52:37] I noticed every other person serving on the committee is current, and so honestly in four years,

[52:45] if you've reported out, I've never heard it, and I'd like to know what you do on that committee

[52:51] and how you serve us as a community.

[52:53] That would be great.

[52:55] Thank you very much for the opportunity to answer those questions.

[52:58] First of all, it was your fault.

[52:59] Only in the sense of it is the city council's, a memo is sent over at the time of expiration

[53:06] to the city.

[53:07] So it is up to the city to re-appoint the representatives and those letters have been sent.

[53:13] But anyway.

[53:14] What do you have to reapply?

[53:16] I did.

[53:18] You did?

[53:18] I did.

[53:19] before today before tonight correct a few weeks ago yeah yeah but anyway so

[53:27] I it's funny that you should mention what you are because first of all let me tell you

[53:30] what the committee does it's very easy and succinct the committee is responsible for

[53:36] approving the application the by by annual application of each city or county entity

[53:45] for Measure J Return Source Fund.

[53:47] So basically the gas tax that's gonna come back to the city

[53:50] on a two-year basis, there's two-year cycle.

[53:54] And so if every two years, the cities send a representative

[53:58] to that committee, we listen to their petition

[54:01] of all the things that they've done with the money

[54:04] and other transportation and housing projects

[54:07] for the last two years, and then we vote up or down

[54:11] to give the measure, it is practically perfunctory, I'll say that.

[54:16] But there are some good questions, some back and forth, some feedback that comes from

[54:20] the various communities that reinforces or suggests other action when we don't like sort

[54:31] of a direction that things are going, it's a chance for the cities and the county at large

[54:37] representatives to express that to the cities.

[54:41] Like, for example, maybe someone saying,

[54:45] I don't like the lack of coordination of stop lights

[54:48] on YV between the Concord and Walnut Creek.

[54:52] That's an example of a comment that I.

[55:00] We have fed back in the past. In the interest of our citizens, citizens, citizenry.

[55:08] But to your point, I actually, I sent an email to the city when I applied for this and I said,

[55:13] I really recommend that we create some sort of reporting structure like, for example,

[55:18] as I attend these meetings monthly, I can simply put a single paragraph in an email that could be included in the report

[55:26] out for the council of for that. I think that would be graded, give you some visibility.

[55:31] Most of the time, it will be something like this. Last meeting, the cities of Maraga and

[55:39] Arinda presented their measure jay checklists for approval and were voted approved. But

[55:46] there are occasionally, and so that's, you know, maybe a little drive. But what has been

[55:52] doubling up that I'd really like to have the chance to report back is there have been

[55:57] some very successful problems, very successful solutions put out to problems like by

[56:04] San Ramon.

[56:05] They've used some of their measure of J money to fund busing for the schools in a sense that

[56:12] they could say, well, it's traffic abatement.

[56:15] So there's some really creative and successful solutions that I would love to forward, like I

[56:21] I said noted in a paragraph and maybe attach some slides of interest.

[56:29] So I would love to report out to the council if that would be possible in that format.

[56:36] If you want me to die, I'm happy to come here monthly to speak to that.

[56:41] If you just would like a written report, I'm happy to do that as well.

[56:45] But I guess my point is in seven years have you ever reported out.

[56:50] And it particularly things that relate to Clayton,

[56:54] like we have Measure J funding also, right?

[56:57] Yes.

[56:58] So I have sent emails to the city.

[57:00] We have $292,000 from the price.

[57:02] And I sent that email, I think, even to the council.

[57:06] No, actually, I called that one in.

[57:07] I phoned in on that one.

[57:10] We have $292,000 awaiting us from the last cycle.

[57:14] And we are entering the next cycle.

[57:18] And Chris and I actually interacted.

[57:19] I've sent emails and stuff saying that I've identified an individual within the CCTA that

[57:27] they can talk to.

[57:28] They'd kind of like to have us back to back up, like, in other words, since we're kind

[57:33] of sitting on the border between them, why not present the last two years and the two years

[57:40] immediate behind that so that we can get, is about $600,000 in Bezer J funds?

[57:47] and do we know that information already as a city we do? Okay, thank you. Yeah, so, but you know what, I want to, I want to honor the spirit of what you just said.

[57:58] You're absolutely right. We need to have more interactivity in this and I'm open to any ideas. I'm suggesting that a report out in the council reports might work for you, but if it doesn't,

[58:14] I'm absolutely open to any and all, you know, coming here, speaking, answering questions, whatever.

[58:21] There have been some things that are very exciting that, you know, like this, you know, this thing in San Ramon has been a big deal.

[58:28] But there have also been some times when, for example, there were, there was an announcement of there was an emerging project coming over the hill

[58:37] where they were going to create a bypassed,

[58:40] past Buchanan, off to the side of the site.

[58:43] Now, I'll tell you that project, unfortunately,

[58:45] has been canceled for the meantime for lack of funding.

[58:51] But those are things that are on the horizon

[58:53] that potentially could have impacts for our residents

[58:57] and would love to send stuff in.

[59:01] And if you guys say, this actually looks interesting.

[59:04] So when we actually have them come in in this month and answer a few questions about that,

[59:09] we'll be happy to.

[59:10] And I guess my last thing are you voting on things on behalf of the city of Clayton?

[59:15] As I said, and I don't want to belittle the role too much.

[59:19] It is pretty perfunctory.

[59:21] I've never attended a meeting in which there was a nay vote to disperse the funds.

[59:28] But that is the vote that we vote on.

[59:31] It is not, for example, the body which would vote on something to approve or not approve an actual CCTA project, that is the parent board.

[59:45] The CAC just reviews the Measure J funding applications.

[59:51] Okay, thank you.

[59:53] So I'm curious.

[59:55] Like for the voting aspect, that's interesting.

[59:58] Is it?

[1:00:00] Recommendation, like an advisory capacity, or is it actually a controlling authority voting?

[1:00:07] Do we know? I don't know.

[1:00:09] I actually don't know the answers of that. I have to guess that it's a recommendation to the CCTA board as proper.

[1:00:19] Because I mean, it's labeled as an advisory committee.

[1:00:21] I'm just going to...

[1:00:22] No, I agree with you.

[1:00:23] I think it is. A vote is taken, but it is...

[1:00:29] It absolutely probably is an advisory opinion based on review of the material in the application packet.

[1:00:38] And of course, we're not the only people who look at them the staff also review the packet as well.

[1:00:43] Because we have a representative to CCTA, right?

[1:00:46] I mean, that's...

[1:00:47] I don't know.

[1:00:47] But that's another just the layer above is.

[1:00:51] It goes to the main company, the main body, CCTA.

[1:00:57] They make the final decision.

[1:00:58] we could only advise, and I only represent Clayton and there's conquered and Martina's

[1:01:07] pleasant hill along the creek, just those two cities.

[1:01:11] But like they interact with SWAT and some of these others in the West, the West Pachia West

[1:01:17] track.

[1:01:18] Did you look it up?

[1:01:21] It's a recommendation and then on the backside it's the oversight piece, much like TLC would

[1:01:27] for the financials, so reviewing Measure J funds and how they were expanded to approve that

[1:01:33] they were spent crackly. Who's role is it to bring forward the application to receive

[1:01:39] Measure J funds for the city? City engineer. Okay. Are we behind? Well, if I could feed to that,

[1:01:47] I see a combination of different, you're right. Sometimes the city engineer, but I generally have seen

[1:01:53] And in the past, a cohort of two people that will come, one will often be the city planner.

[1:02:01] Well, I meant like this in our city.

[1:02:03] Like in our city, we have to have someone that's designated so that's why I'm.

[1:02:08] I'm thinking it would be the engineer, yeah.

[1:02:12] Are we behind?

[1:02:14] A little bit.

[1:02:16] A little bit.

[1:02:16] But we can catch up.

[1:02:17] I mean, city of Maraghan and not La Marenda, sorry, it just rolls off the tongue, right?

[1:02:25] Maraghan and Marenda were the last two other cities to report, so we'll be the last, but that's okay.

[1:02:31] That's not a criticism at all, but we have an opportunity to pick up some money.

[1:02:37] So 292 for the previous cycle, and I'm going to guess over 300,000 for the current cycle.

[1:02:45] Is that there a budget?

[1:02:50] It'd be nice that it was $600,000 laying around.

[1:02:53] What's in our budget currently?

[1:02:55] Actually, I'll let you all with your all the questions.

[1:02:58] Sure.

[1:02:59] We're off off the top side.

[1:03:01] Yeah. So I will throw that question and turn it over to my colleague.

[1:03:07] Yeah.

[1:03:07] First of all, let me compliment you.

[1:03:09] Add on your application.

[1:03:11] It's tight.

[1:03:13] I've been honest with you that the ones that we get that aren't tight

[1:03:15] difficult to read, and I really appreciate it, but I have an issue with

[1:03:20] Charlotte, just like Council Member Chilman, I'm not telling the truth.

[1:03:24] I don't mean to. We are waiting for a report.

[1:03:28] And we have not had one. Now, another thing I talked about with the city manager

[1:03:32] today, I look at the list of the open committees, one that's absolutely close to

[1:03:39] home is missing, and that's the three C today, the bus, and you'll see in my

[1:03:45] report, we appointed somebody in Concord, and it's close to home, and we have, the Clayton

[1:03:52] Board has been vacant for probably six plus years. And they really have an impact because

[1:03:58] they report directly to the board, which I said on, and we take their recommendations very

[1:04:04] seriously, and there are a number of things that we're working on here in Clayton, particularly

[1:04:09] as it relates to bus service that can vet that committee, the CCCC, CCCC, as it direct

[1:04:16] impact. And it's missing from the list. And so I know Chris is going to add it to it.

[1:04:24] But seven years we've had nobody there. So, CCCC, CTA. Yeah. Central,

[1:04:31] Contra Costa County transit authority yeah, and you'll look at my report

[1:04:37] We just appointed a new member from Concord and the intern to be and they say where's the one from Clayton?

[1:04:43] And I don't know. Well now I figured out where it is because it's not on the list right right and

[1:04:49] Anyway, it's easy to look at those two but and think one of the fair duplicates of each more importantly

[1:04:55] That body has decisions and recommendations closer to home

[1:05:00] And as opposed to the CCTA, which is more global, it's counted. I'm a little reluctant to move this forward

[1:05:09] until we get more definition from the, from the incumbent and the applicants. So anyway, I think that'll be addressed in a future application when we get, you know, a person interested in doing things closer to home.

[1:05:24] Yeah, because we are a transportation desert with respect to the, I mean, it's like, you know, once an hour.

[1:05:31] Well, one thing that I think is apparent, there's like four governing bodies, three of which are represented already regarding transportation.

[1:05:43] And we have one bus route that comes through our city.

[1:05:46] I mean, I don't know if that's over, Kel.

[1:05:49] But I'm just saying, well, there's one open one, I guess, on the CCCTA,

[1:05:56] Jimson County Connection, Council Member Diaz, sorry, it's on County Connection,

[1:06:02] Vice Mayor, and he is on TransPAC, Ed's been sitting on CCTA Citizens Advisory Committee, I mean.

[1:06:10] Honestly, Rich is, I'm sorry, Council Member Diaz, position is more impactful.

[1:06:16] Again, I don't want to belittle it is a fairly perfunctory role that is performed by this

[1:06:23] committee that I'm on as opposed to some of the actual planning technical planning that occurs

[1:06:28] at that level.

[1:06:29] Those are like little, transparent in these others are like little mini and swatter, mini CCTAs

[1:06:35] of their own with funding to allocate and projects to plan.

[1:06:41] But I do think there is a missing piece here of there's there are interesting things

[1:06:48] a foot in the CCTA and that information is now flowing back to you from me and I would

[1:06:54] I would like for that to happen.

[1:06:56] Because we're not getting any reports exactly exactly, yeah.

[1:06:58] You know I don't think that from the point at which I was appointed in 2019 it really there

[1:07:03] was no structure laid out for that to happen.

[1:07:05] I have come actually in the non-command agenda, on the non-agenda

[1:07:11] comments section and made some reports in the sense of, hey, you've got $290,000, $2,000

[1:07:18] laying around.

[1:07:19] So there've been kind of like some informal attempts to report, but there's never been

[1:07:23] like, there's never been a, a kinship going the two ways to kind of open the channel

[1:07:29] and I would really, really like to fix that.

[1:07:31] Yeah, did you have a comment, city attorney, I thought you and me have I thought we were getting a more off topic from the agenda item.

[1:07:44] So.

[1:07:44] That's our sorry.

[1:07:45] I expect that you I think are coming back to the agenda item, which is whether to approve the reappointment or not.

[1:07:52] Give us time.

[1:07:53] We'll go and feel.

[1:07:56] I was just, and it'll be reflected in my vote.

[1:08:01] Since we don't have that other item on the agenda here for...

[1:08:06] I would see the incumbent apply for that position because it has more focus.

[1:08:11] Thank you.

[1:08:12] All right.

[1:08:18] I'm going to make a motion to a point.

[1:08:20] We need to take public hold.

[1:08:22] Oh, I thought we did.

[1:08:27] And Councilmember Diaz, what more information did you say that you wanted?

[1:08:33] I'd like to see, as you pointed out, a report from this bottom.

[1:08:41] Okay, so since there's no official person in that role, a report would be...

[1:08:49] No official person in what position?

[1:08:52] This position.

[1:08:55] He's...

[1:08:56] Seven years, he's been...

[1:08:58] It is him.

[1:08:59] I understand

[1:09:04] other questions for Mr. Miller.

[1:09:10] Okay, public comment on item 8c, you're standing.

[1:09:16] I'm assuming you want to make public comments.

[1:09:22] Hello there, Lauren Kimber.

[1:09:26] Two things is, I've come to most meetings, or I listen at home now.

[1:09:34] But I've never heard a report from the Council on Aging.

[1:09:37] do they come and give reports regularly and, you know, I've seen trails and landscape try to

[1:09:44] report and be ignored. So, so I think unless there's a system in which it is set up that

[1:09:51] these people are coming, they're being invited, they're being included, and I have heard Mr. Miller.

[1:10:00] Com, and report things, but there's no place formally for him to report it. I've heard him in public comment, report.

[1:10:08] So, I think holding him to a standard that is not a standard, there's nothing available there.

[1:10:18] So that just seems very strange to me because, and I know there's other positions that there's nothing I've never heard from Austin refused shall we say.

[1:10:34] And, and the other thing with the CCCTA to mix this with that because, I mean, are we,

[1:10:46] because this is CCTA, so if there's another thing CCCTA and you want an advisor for that,

[1:10:52] it sort of has nothing to do with what's happening right here tonight.

[1:10:57] So that's a bit confusing also, and I didn't plan to speak, and I didn't think this would

[1:11:02] anything to thought think about, but I hope that's all making sense to you.

[1:11:11] Thank you.

[1:11:12] Thank you.

[1:11:14] Any other public comment?

[1:11:17] Seeing none, I will close public comment and bring it back.

[1:11:20] Any other comments from Council?

[1:11:26] Is there a possibility of excluding this application to put a reporting system in place for everyone that represents us out in the beyond our own council reports?

[1:11:41] Yeah, that can be a policy decision by the council to say we would like quarterly reports monthly, whatever you would like.

[1:11:48] And then it would be the clerk's responsibility to work with each one of those individuals to remind them to get their reports and ahead of time and then if you want it verbally, if you want it, written whatever the will of the council as we can make that happen.

[1:12:01] Okay. And that would be a future agenda.

[1:12:03] I'm sure it tends to wait and correct for us.

[1:12:06] And a question on you.

[1:12:07] Do I tell you it's just give us time?

[1:12:09] Do we know how often the body meets?

[1:12:11] Because I know like the triple C meets quarterly.

[1:12:15] Monthly.

[1:12:17] And if you, even in the absence of a official appointment, have you continued with your attendance

[1:12:23] on the monthly basis?

[1:12:24] Yes.

[1:12:25] Clayton's, aside from the fact that there is not an official appointee, Clayton's could

[1:12:30] consider to be in good standing because we've had someone in good attendance for the entire

[1:12:35] period.

[1:12:36] I'm not sure, when did I actually, I'm just asking, I think, when did I go off of the

[1:12:41] into the appointment and was it about six months ago?

[1:12:44] It was 2023, 20, 20, 23, 20, 23.

[1:12:49] That's right.

[1:12:51] I looked on the website and every other municipality is current, and we are inspired for three

[1:12:59] years.

[1:13:00] We've got a chance to do in the right thing now.

[1:13:03] We're trying to fill in the gaps, but that doesn't make sense because I was appointed

[1:13:07] February of 2019 and so for your appointment, 23, 2023 does sound correct to me.

[1:13:15] Is the appointment retroactive or is it for you from now?

[1:13:22] I mean they have to put something on the website so if you're interested and you've been attending

[1:13:28] the meetings this whole time, I think the report out is nice and we'll talk about that later.

[1:13:35] Yeah. Yeah. There's some really neat ideas that do come before us and I think it would be

[1:13:42] titillating for you to see some of the creative ways that other cities have tackled some

[1:13:47] problems that we have as well. Okay. Thank you very much.

[1:13:53] There are a motion on item. I'll make the motion to approve the reappointment of Edward L. Miller to

[1:14:02] serve on the CCTA, citizens advisory committee for four-year term.

[1:14:09] Sir, second.

[1:14:14] I'll second.

[1:14:15] If we could call the roll.

[1:14:17] I'll take roll.

[1:14:19] Council member Tubman.

[1:14:21] I, and thank you for serving this whole time.

[1:14:23] Council member Trippiano.

[1:14:26] Council member Diaz.

[1:14:27] As was stated before, I'm not stating from this till we correct all these problems.

[1:14:34] Vice Mayor Inia?

[1:14:34] Yes, and Mayor One. I motion carries forward with one abstaining. Sorry for the turn on.

[1:14:43] I want the motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. All right. That concludes item eight C item eight D is a review of the 26 budget status. Consider approval of the 27 budget revisions and reserve options.

[1:15:00] I believe. Someone in that area.

[1:15:06] It'll be me.

[1:15:09] All right. So, overview. This will be to provide that update on 26 year

[1:15:16] to date and in our year-end projection and bring back the updated budget revisions that were provided

[1:15:25] as direction from the council at the last meeting. And at the end, the recommended actions

[1:15:30] will be to just have reviewed those, provide feedback to staff, and then if it's the Council's

[1:15:37] desire to approve the budget revisions, including those April 7th Council augmentations.

[1:15:44] So, to talk about 26,

[1:15:48] I'm going to just talk about the number at the bottom right

[1:15:52] quarter to start. One of the things that we put off in the discussion last time was this year and

[1:16:02] projection. I wanted to make sure the calculations were accurate and they did change from the

[1:16:09] darkened packet at the last meeting. But I feel now very confident about the changes in revenue

[1:16:16] as well as the efforts that we've made on operations to try to bring that budget closer to being in balance.

[1:16:28] But just to walk through that, just to note that the adopted budget and the adjusted budget had modest amounts of reserve funding requirements in them.

[1:16:46] One of the things that's noticeable even in the year to date figures, but also prominently is the $500,000 in missing revenue.

[1:16:59] And we could talk a little bit more about where that money comes from, what that is.

[1:17:04] But I think it's also important to note that what the city has done in terms of on salaries and benefits and services and supplies

[1:17:14] to try to reduce some of those costs from the budget.

[1:17:19] And that if it frankly, if it wasn't for the revenue losses,

[1:17:24] we would be at about a $90,000 difference from the adjusted budget

[1:17:30] that was adopted by this council back in the late fall of last year.

[1:17:36] So let me just talk a little bit more about what those deltas are,

[1:17:40] what those variances are.

[1:17:42] And we've talked about this before, but we knew that with the end of this assessor agency that the RPTTF which was money that has been collected held by the county and then distributed on a regular basis since 2012 with the initiation of the successor agencies to the former RDAs, that with the closure of that of the local successor agency, that money would be reduced to a no longer be available.

[1:18:10] from the county, and so while we had, you know, budgeted $4.95 in revenue from the county for that,

[1:18:20] we received the $3.20, and so that is a reduction of $175,000 in tax revenue or part of me.

[1:18:31] In the tax increment that was going to support the administrative efforts of the

[1:18:40] So we've identified a $35,000 loss and water well revenue that we had previously been selling

[1:18:49] to a large water user here in the community.

[1:18:53] And then the other loss and revenue to the general fund was the ending of the fiduciary

[1:19:00] fund transfers for the successor agency.

[1:19:03] the street light fund as well as the stormwater assessment fund.

[1:19:09] On the successor agency it's related to what I previously discussed about the end of the

[1:19:14] successor agency really ends the fiduciary responsibility that the city would have had

[1:19:19] for managing the affairs of that successor agency.

[1:19:23] And so without that would zero out that transfer going in the current year.

[1:19:28] And then, in addition to that, we made an administrative decision because the street lights

[1:19:35] fund and the stormwater fund have negative balances.

[1:19:39] It didn't make any sense to continue to build them for those fiduciary fund services, and

[1:19:47] further dig a hole for those two particular funds.

[1:19:52] Ultimately, if the assessments don't change in either one of those funds, there will be

[1:19:58] need to augment those and...

[1:20:00] And probably one of the few sources of revenue to continue the maintenance and operation of those

[1:20:06] particular funds would be the city's general fund, and it didn't quite make sense to myself

[1:20:14] to continue to dig a deeper hole for those two funds that eventually the city's general fund might

[1:20:22] be responsible for backfilling.

[1:20:24] Can I interrupt you first again?

[1:20:30] I don't think that's the right account.

[1:20:32] Like, okay.

[1:20:35] The fiduciary funds incur a charge,

[1:20:38] and they should, they should,

[1:20:42] that charge should be recognized,

[1:20:43] and then entry made to attribute revenue to the general fund,

[1:20:47] because they should pay for those services that they're receiving.

[1:20:49] They will be indefinite,

[1:20:51] but that's an accurate reflection of the fund

[1:20:55] and those activities within the fund.

[1:20:59] That we may later then need to supplement the fund with a general fund transfer.

[1:21:05] That's besides the point, I think.

[1:21:07] I mean, if we have to do that, we have to do that.

[1:21:09] But if we record the revenue to the general fund and the charge to the Fedutri fund,

[1:21:17] it will more accurately represent the true nature of those funds.

[1:21:23] And I don't think avoiding the appearance of a deficit in one and the other is a reason not to make the entry that we would normally make,

[1:21:30] because the appropriateness of the entry is, exists regardless of the status of the fund balance.

[1:21:35] And then, grossing up the transaction is a true representation of the activity.

[1:21:42] So, okay, I don't think we should net it.

[1:21:45] Okay, but that will cause a 60, roughly a $60,000 change.

[1:21:51] I would just say, I'm not a governmental accountant,

[1:21:55] so you should probably validate that,

[1:21:57] but that's how I think it should be treated.

[1:22:00] Okay, in my personal opinion.

[1:22:02] Appreciate that, okay.

[1:22:03] Wait, we can go back and look at that.

[1:22:05] You would have a net positive impact

[1:22:08] to revenue of a additional $60,000 coming back

[1:22:12] for those two that were running negative.

[1:22:16] The successor agency is the balance of that.

[1:22:18] That's different.

[1:22:19] The successor agency is the activities not happening.

[1:22:21] So therefore, we don't charge that.

[1:22:24] Correct.

[1:22:26] So can I on that on the successor agency?

[1:22:30] So 495 versus 320.

[1:22:33] We knew the successor agency activity was ending.

[1:22:37] Is 495 a reduction from the prior year?

[1:22:40] It was efficient.

[1:22:43] Yeah.

[1:22:43] A marijuana was 600,000 the previous year, so in 25, it was roughly 600,000.

[1:22:51] So how did we come to the haircut?

[1:22:55] Well, we had to take a kind of a swag at when it was actually going to end.

[1:23:03] And the other challenge with our PTTF is it's not a set amount, it varied each year and the county doesn't give you those numbers, frankly until December what those numbers are and so that's the challenge is a timing on when those numbers come out from the county because they are different every single year.

[1:23:27] OK, so then it's 495 to 320 for FY26.

[1:23:33] All the activities concluded.

[1:23:35] Do you expect zero in 27?

[1:23:37] We expect zero and we have budgeted zero in the revised budget for 27.

[1:23:42] In the revised budget, the budget we adopted originally for 27.

[1:23:45] The original budget had a dollar amount,

[1:23:57] because we would have known at that time

[1:23:59] when preparing the FY27 budget that FY26 would be the final year.

[1:24:03] Isn't it like 515, we were estimating?

[1:24:09] Actually, we had originally in the adopted 27 budget.

[1:24:14] We had 215.

[1:24:18] 215.

[1:24:20] So when we made adjustments to 27 prior, did that incorporate the 215 reduction?

[1:24:28] This is the first adjustments we're making to 27.

[1:24:31] So is that included in here in the last few slides?

[1:24:33] So that's completely zero doubt, okay.

[1:24:37] All right, that's the extent of my interruptions

[1:24:38] on this one item.

[1:24:41] Let's see.

[1:24:42] Okay, so on the other side of the transactions

[1:24:47] looking at our expenditure budget,

[1:24:51] we have really been impacted by over time

[1:24:55] in the police department to the tune of an additional $109.

[1:25:00] We had nine thousand dollars that we had not budgeted in twenty-six.

[1:25:05] If I could just ask one quick question on your microphone.

[1:25:09] It is.

[1:25:10] It's on.

[1:25:11] Oh, I don't know.

[1:25:13] Just two weeks ago, I believe that number was 80,000.

[1:25:19] So what happened two weeks later?

[1:25:21] It's now a hundred and ninety-nine.

[1:25:24] Well, a couple things, and one, we began to see this trend.

[1:25:28] So over time in the police department had been running

[1:25:30] about $7,000 a pay period.

[1:25:33] Pretty much throughout the year.

[1:25:37] Pardon me?

[1:25:39] Over $7,000 over $7,000.

[1:25:43] $7,000.

[1:25:45] $7,000.

[1:25:46] With the, we've had some people out on leave, it began to climb.

[1:25:55] We, and so that's why we thought it was going to be like 80, and then the other piece that started happening was the field training officer and the inability of the new officers that we've sworn in tonight.

[1:26:11] Those can't take full patrol, so they had to backfill those and use overtime officers in order to backfill those.

[1:26:19] So, and the training officers were also on over time to be able to do the field training.

[1:26:24] So we went from $7,000 a pay period to $22,000 a pay period in over time.

[1:26:35] And we did not estimate and you're not knowing that we had new recruits.

[1:26:42] We did not.

[1:26:42] Coming on board.

[1:26:44] I was just surprised that it changed so dramatically in two weeks.

[1:26:48] Yeah.

[1:26:48] the day to $199.

[1:26:50] If you run it at $7 to $22 per paper, it's significant, but I think the point that you're

[1:26:56] raising is that we had a checkpoint at the last, I mean, and that was through, that was supposed

[1:27:03] to be through March. So we were in to go double. We missed it earlier, because we brought, I mean,

[1:27:11] when the first new officer started back in January, January, January, we should have seen it

[1:27:21] begin to spot it then, because a lot of those impacts, it's now doubled and then with the

[1:27:26] injuries on top of that, it's really accelerated.

[1:27:30] And also, when you have officers leave, that's automatic over time to cover those shifts.

[1:27:35] while the ones completely vacant.

[1:27:37] Yes, pay to fortune for that, because you can't anticipate that.

[1:27:41] And it happens all the time, and can't.

[1:27:44] It's hard to anticipate and over time budget for the police in the city.

[1:27:50] So I could understand that almost $200,000.

[1:27:54] He was one third of your patrol ship, people.

[1:28:00] So I understand that.

[1:28:01] So I just want to, for clarity, and my mind, the payroll is now around 22,000 a pay

[1:28:10] period.

[1:28:11] Over time.

[1:28:11] Over time, charge.

[1:28:12] Oh, and just in overtime.

[1:28:14] Yes.

[1:28:14] I mean, our payroll for police department is, since I've led more than 22,000.

[1:28:21] Because the 199, little 22 divided by 199, that's a lot more months than since January,

[1:28:29] It's five p.m. for his paper.

[1:28:32] It's going all the way till June 30th.

[1:28:35] That's first of all.

[1:28:36] So this is projecting out another two and a half months.

[1:28:42] And so it's taking in all that.

[1:28:44] And we've gone and done the calculations based on these additional expenses.

[1:28:48] All the way through June 30th.

[1:28:50] And this is where you get to on June 30th.

[1:28:53] Not to today.

[1:28:55] Yeah, these numbers aren't year to date.

[1:28:56] These are forecast.

[1:28:58] Got it.

[1:29:03] So I guess, yeah, I mean, if we need to do overtime, we need to do overtime, so this kind of

[1:29:08] how it goes.

[1:29:10] But the only thing I would say then is if the ramp up started in January for a very time frame,

[1:29:18] we had a button on a community meeting in March.

[1:29:21] There's many opportunities for checking that at that point.

[1:29:23] I would think seeing the variance as it comes through and advising more timely.

[1:29:34] would be preferable, agreed.

[1:29:38] So, it would, because when we met in March at the budget audit,

[1:29:42] we were given a different impression.

[1:29:44] And so, I think the fact pattern was available at that point,

[1:29:49] but it wasn't known to us.

[1:29:51] So, that piece, we should get more rapid feedback that this is happening.

[1:29:57] It will not get past me again.

[1:29:59] Okay, thank you.

[1:30:00] Thank you. May I ask a clarifying question?

[1:30:03] Excuse me.

[1:30:04] Go ahead.

[1:30:05] So it went from 7,000 per pay period, and is rose, is risen to 22,000 per pay period?

[1:30:13] For just the over time.

[1:30:14] Just the over time.

[1:30:16] And is that consistently doing that now?

[1:30:20] Correct.

[1:30:21] And especially now, we're adding the second officer and the training component to that,

[1:30:28] because the trainers are coming on.

[1:30:30] I understand.

[1:30:31] OK, thank you.

[1:30:34] So Dennis, here's the question I have.

[1:30:37] And I've been kind of ruminating on this all day today.

[1:30:41] I feel like in June, we approved a two-year budget

[1:30:49] where we were looking at $130,000 deficit, right?

[1:30:54] for you for your one for twenty twenty six yes and I'm just talking about twenty twenty

[1:31:01] twenty six yes I know we didn't get to twenty twenty seven yet and then I'm pretty sure in

[1:31:08] our November budget not a committee meeting you and Jennifer came to us and then we came to

[1:31:14] the council with a number of pages and pages of adjustments that I thought brought us back

[1:31:22] to like kind of a zero, right?

[1:31:26] Pretty close, yes.

[1:31:27] And then on March 5th, so that was November.

[1:31:30] March 5th, we were looking at a $410,000 dollar,

[1:31:36] that I said.

[1:31:37] And now it's April 21st, and we're looking at an $800,000,

[1:31:42] just like $430.

[1:31:43] And it was suddenly starting to feel like, yeah.

[1:31:47] I don't even know if I believe the numbers like,

[1:31:49] Okay.

[1:31:50] Can you just explain what happened from June to now, and maybe it is these things, but

[1:32:01] it just seems like it is these things.

[1:32:04] And November, we were like, it is, we're not, I thought we were reading a lot of adjustments.

[1:32:10] We did.

[1:32:11] We did.

[1:32:12] We did.

[1:32:13] Do I meditate?

[1:32:16] Yes.

[1:32:16] So in response,

[1:32:21] losing $500,000 in revenue is impactful.

[1:32:27] It's 8% of our total revenue in the city.

[1:32:33] That's the big story here.

[1:32:38] On the rest of the side of the budget, on the expenditure side of the budget, we're basically

[1:32:44] even with those adjustments that you made, we're $90,000 difference on net for the expenditure

[1:32:53] side.

[1:32:56] That's, that's what's happened.

[1:33:04] It just seems like a big difference and what we were

[1:33:08] just even talking about in March. It is, it is a big difference. I get it. And then I also

[1:33:16] thought too that there were some, I think Jennifer called them, Easter eggs, some things

[1:33:23] that she found that maybe worked in our favor. There was something about one of the funds

[1:33:30] was Diablo View Middle School. I thought I really thought that we were in a much better position

[1:33:39] than an $800,000 deficit.

[1:33:43] We are not.

[1:33:45] Diablo view middle school is not going to help the general fund.

[1:33:51] That wasn't its purpose.

[1:33:53] Right?

[1:33:54] I mean, there was a negligible amount.

[1:33:56] We closed it out.

[1:33:56] I think it was $45,000, but on 5.8 million, that's not a lot of an Easter egg to be honest.

[1:34:08] The loss in revenue this year is consequential, it's not cataclysmic, it's not the end of the world, it's not the sky is falling, but it's indicative of what the challenge that the city has had for a long, long time.

[1:34:23] We've spent many months from August until December talking through and seeing what this has been happening in slow motion.

[1:34:38] This is just another example of it.

[1:34:41] I would have to believe, I wasn't here, but I would have to believe previous councils have had to deal with this and address parts of this thing for a long time.

[1:34:51] because this this this this is cyclical and it happens the good news and I just want to come back to the good

[1:35:00] News is, it's done and it's over in the sense that these were $60,000, $65,000, notwithstanding on the

[1:35:12] fiduciary fund change. These are things that, you know, we've checked a box and we're moving on and

[1:35:19] we, there's nothing we can do about it. Especially in terms of let's say the success or agency funding to the general fund.

[1:35:29] the good news is, or managing our costs, that's the key piece in this, and we're going to

[1:35:36] have to have cost discipline going forward while we work through this, and I will say,

[1:35:45] from my past experience, that's going to be a real challenge going forward with the way

[1:35:51] the economy is running right now. Our labor costs for those contractors that are out there,

[1:35:58] bus and their butts to get rid of as many weeds as they can, those labor costs are going

[1:36:03] up.

[1:36:04] Their fuel costs are going up.

[1:36:05] Those contract costs are going to go up significantly when we can now cheaper higher

[1:36:13] a seasonal worker to clean our buildings than it was to subsidize or to pay for some

[1:36:20] of the service contracts.

[1:36:22] That's an indicator for this council, for this community, that we can't contract our way

[1:36:27] of this and we're going to have to have continued discipline on the expenditure side and we're

[1:36:32] going to have them or revenue. And I know we're talking about that later. But I just think that's

[1:36:39] that's just trying to tell some truth here. I think one of the things to keep in mind is revenue

[1:36:46] for us in a lot of ways is uncontrollable. We have no control over the sales tax, the property tax.

[1:36:53] What comes in? What is what when things get cut from us? We can't stop that. We can't prevent it.

[1:36:59] What we wish we had known was we knew this at the beginning of the year. So this was more of a static number versus kind of the explosion.

[1:37:08] But to Dennis' point, with the expense side, which we do control, were off by $90,000, but what?

[1:37:18] Can we go back to the slide prior?

[1:37:21] Sorry, interrupt, I just had a.

[1:37:28] So you're talking 90, and you're comparing 6528999

[1:37:33] to 6439069, that's like 809000.

[1:37:37] Again, you're looking at the end of the year numbers here.

[1:37:40] No, I'm looking at the adjusted, right?

[1:37:42] Adjusted.

[1:37:43] 6528999, end of year to 6439069,

[1:37:47] that's the, that's the comparison that you get to nine, right?

[1:37:50] Yes.

[1:37:50] Okay, so 643969 doesn't foot from 4301, 3801, 1907504.

[1:37:58] That number is actually 6.2 something.

[1:38:03] So the 90 is actually 320.

[1:38:07] Can I provide an alternative way of looking at it rather than looking at this all rolled up?

[1:38:12] Because you got a bunch of netting that you're not taking to the consideration.

[1:38:15] But when I look at the three big things that I've mentioned on overtime, gas and electricity, and water service bills,

[1:38:25] those told about 3-11, 3-11-775, to be precise.

[1:38:31] And when I look at the savings that I listed on this slide,

[1:38:36] netting with some of our increased in our under budgeting in in the services that was

[1:38:44] 220,000 or 27,000, yeah, this is an additional cost savings, yeah. So that's where the

[1:38:54] 90, 90,000 comes. All right, I get it. So this explains 90. But when you look at the slide

[1:38:59] prior, there is something else because what represents in that second bullet is services and

[1:39:06] supplies and solders and benefits. It's not revenue. But here, the 4301 and the 10907,

[1:39:13] wait, this is the wrong side. I'm sorry, no, I gotta go back to the wrong side. Sorry, sorry.

[1:39:19] That number doesn't fit to 6439. And you could do the math in your head, but that's 6.2.

[1:39:29] six five two eight

[1:39:48] or a hand hand entering and there's something off yeah I don't

[1:39:53] know what that now I see what you're saying thank you I know and actually in the

[1:39:58] to the left, the left, the left, the left, the left.

[1:40:00] 16th adopted, it doesn't fit either, but to a smaller degree. So some things are. Okay. So I don't know if that affects

[1:40:07] the narrative on the 90. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Because the 90 is explained in the next slide. But I think there's an additional

[1:40:16] 210 somewhere. Yeah. Unless this number is not the right number. I don't know. I think I think there's something,

[1:40:27] I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I will tell you, it's the

[1:40:31] to 30 below. So you see the 230, so if you add the 230, now what's the 230 you're

[1:40:37] going to ask?

[1:40:38] No, the 230 represents the 230.

[1:40:39] The 230.

[1:40:47] So then I think, well, I don't want to speak for you, I think what you're trying to say is if

[1:40:52] you exclude the 230 that we already knew, then the difference between the adjusted and the

[1:40:59] and WR projection is only an additional 90, 90.

[1:41:03] Because we had already done 230.

[1:41:05] Is that what we're trying to say?

[1:41:07] That's correct.

[1:41:08] And the 230 is the feast contract

[1:41:10] and the civic plus contract.

[1:41:13] So, okay, that's fine.

[1:41:17] But it would be much more clearly presented

[1:41:20] if we don't have components that are segregated

[1:41:23] out that way and we always go to the baseline.

[1:41:26] So if we're comparing 652A to something, we're going to compare either to the adjusted or the adopted.

[1:41:38] And the 230 has to be incorporated in the narrative.

[1:41:43] Otherwise, if it doesn't fit, then it's craziness.

[1:41:46] And I apologize for presenting it this way.

[1:41:49] But the 230 is these and civic plus.

[1:41:55] So, does that mean that 820 is really 820 less 230?

[1:41:59] No.

[1:41:59] It is 820.

[1:42:00] It is 820.

[1:42:01] It is still going to be 820.

[1:42:03] Or less 60,000 if I back, put back in the fiduciary fund, transfer.

[1:42:09] You know the way I look at it in my head.

[1:42:14] Great.

[1:42:15] Early the way I made it.

[1:42:16] We have 820,000 deficit.

[1:42:20] But we lost 500,000 in revenue.

[1:42:23] So we can't predict that.

[1:42:24] But that leaves 300,000 and we're going to get 300,000 from our solar refund.

[1:42:36] Which leaves our deficit at $20,000.

[1:42:39] Not in 20, 26. We're not getting that.

[1:42:41] We're not getting that.

[1:42:42] We're not getting that much.

[1:42:42] Is that going to show it by June?

[1:42:43] It's going to come up. It's going to come up.

[1:42:46] And it comes in July.

[1:42:48] It's still that we almost gave him no, we're not even.

[1:42:51] We may, you may not. I think it's on there's a level of uncertainty that means that we probably we

[1:42:58] It doesn't meet the criteria of recording it. Okay. Yes. I know you remember that's from the federal government.

[1:43:04] Still so. Yeah. I got it for our souls life. Look at the $20,000. Yeah. It's for your IOU app.

[1:43:12] Yeah. I mean, technically the money is sitting in Calo, yes. But yeah, it won't be and it wouldn't be

[1:43:21] It's incredible for 26, so, I mean, too.

[1:43:26] I mean,

[1:43:31] there's hedging companies that will take that back.

[1:43:36] You're going to be all for something, dude.

[1:43:41] Okay.

[1:43:45] So, that took me a second.

[1:43:48] Yeah, sorry.

[1:43:49] I think it would, it may take other people a second to realize.

[1:43:55] It would be helpful to present it, like we're distinctly.

[1:43:59] And I just had one on the comment, you know,

[1:44:02] when you were talking with addressing Councilmember Triviano's

[1:44:06] questions about the significance of the revenue shortfall

[1:44:09] and identify hey, this is, you know, 8% this is significant

[1:44:13] around, I think we need to be consistent.

[1:44:17] So in other areas of this deck, we talk about, maybe not

[1:44:23] this deck, but this agenda packet, there's

[1:44:25] description that says, the city's finances are sound and stable. But if we have a $800,000

[1:44:32] deficit, and we're saying that a $600,500 is very significant. I don't think it's fair

[1:44:39] to say that this is a sound position when it's in a $800,000 deficit. I think it does the community

[1:44:48] a disservice to try and say that we're okay, but we're actually not because $800,000 is significant.

[1:44:53] It's more significant than you're talking about, but we're describing them differently.

[1:45:00] It says the overall position. Would you take it to account the reserves and that includes our reserves?

[1:45:10] I mean, our reserves are a percent seven million dollars. This is greater than 10 percent of reserves in one year.

[1:45:17] I think that's still a sound and stable position. Can we compare it to other cities here?

[1:45:24] I mean as we are stable for this year we are stable

[1:45:37] but I can't I wouldn't

[1:45:39] in good conscience say that this is sustainable so if it's not sustainable then I

[1:45:46] do not think it is sound it is accurate but we cannot sustain like this I

[1:45:52] would agree so and that's why we're going to talk about the other item later

[1:45:57] But, I just want to, you know, I don't want to sure about the messaging.

[1:46:01] We need to be like very clear on what's happening.

[1:46:03] There is a structural issue.

[1:46:06] It's not any one thing.

[1:46:08] It's not a huge, you know, it's not like there's a panacea that we can flip the switch.

[1:46:13] It is everything is more expensive and all the money is less.

[1:46:17] So, um, and that's a problem that we need to address.

[1:46:21] And I think kind of leading up with, hey, we're okay, everything's fine.

[1:46:25] It's not, it's not the right messaging.

[1:46:28] So.

[1:46:29] I concur.

[1:46:31] I'd like that you actually vocalize that.

[1:46:35] Okay, sorry.

[1:46:36] We're going to interrupt you a lot, so please continue.

[1:46:41] I'm getting good at it.

[1:46:44] Okay.

[1:46:45] 27.

[1:46:46] And why are there black bars?

[1:46:49] Because there's no data in those fields and

[1:46:53] I will no longer put black boxes there.

[1:46:56] I didn't realize there were the restile sheets on this, but that's what we'll do this.

[1:47:00] I would just leave it exactly the same format, so it's not distracting.

[1:47:05] Okay.

[1:47:05] Good to know.

[1:47:07] All right, so for 27, what we're recommending is a series of adjustments that are detailed

[1:47:16] in attachment A that include all the funds, but what we're looking at here in this chart is

[1:47:25] just the general fund, that would move revenue down for all the reasons we've just been talking

[1:47:34] about for the things that have gone away.

[1:47:38] And we're estimating that to be roughly 5.8 million in the in the in 27.

[1:47:46] And that with all of the expenditures, salaries and services and supplies, including the items

[1:47:54] that you wanted us to price in from the April 7th meeting, that would create an expenditure

[1:48:03] budget of just over 7 million. And so the deficit in the adjusted budget is 1.165 million dollars.

[1:48:16] That would take the fund balance from 6.1 million down to just under 5 million dollars.

[1:48:27] So here's, what do you have one question on that?

[1:48:33] So I think at the last meeting, and I think, Mayor Juan, you brought this up,

[1:48:39] we were going to sort of separately recognize the use of reserve funds,

[1:48:47] right, kind of an itemized, right?

[1:48:51] So it doesn't show extreme deficit spending,

[1:48:55] because most of those, I believe, were like one time expenses.

[1:49:02] So, and we've, we've detailed that out in a second here, but what we did do is,

[1:49:10] because the reserves are within the context of general fund,

[1:49:15] you've got to bring them in to be able to then move them out to the,

[1:49:20] where we put most of these things, we're in the CIP budget,

[1:49:23] So that everything had a discrete budget.

[1:49:25] That was the direction that staff was given last time.

[1:49:29] So for those capex type expenses that we identified,

[1:49:34] we created new or intended create once,

[1:49:39] if you were to approve this, separate CIP projects

[1:49:44] for those other items.

[1:49:46] So they'd be accounted for there separately.

[1:49:49] But in order to bring that reserve, those reserve funds in,

[1:49:51] We'd bring him into the general fund and then disperse him to whether it's the capital

[1:49:57] expended our CIP fund or whatever.

[1:50:03] That's why that's why it shows that way because the revenue comes in there first before it gets distributed.

[1:50:10] Okay.

[1:50:10] Does it come in as revenue, or is it just the end of fund transfer?

[1:50:15] You're going to post it as revenue?

[1:50:17] I mean, it's a credit, but that's a credit.

[1:50:19] It doesn't go to end of fund transfer.

[1:50:21] That's the mechanism for it as an end of fund.

[1:50:22] Yes, you are correct.

[1:50:24] So, I mean, technically it's not revenues.

[1:50:25] So it's a source, sure, it's a source of funds.

[1:50:31] And it has to live in a fund.

[1:50:33] So it's a, yeah.

[1:50:35] I mean, I get it for the purpose of recording.

[1:50:36] That's how you have to move it.

[1:50:38] But like for presentation, like we're trying to communicate

[1:50:40] in a raw message, we don't, it would be nice to isolate it

[1:50:44] to show for presentation.

[1:50:46] You know, for essentially like for management reporting,

[1:50:48] it'd be better to show that presentation.

[1:50:52] On the revenue reduction on the recommended, it's only a decrease of 58.

[1:51:00] Is there other things going on there besides the 215 that we identified earlier from the ROPS or whatever I forget the acronym?

[1:51:06] Yeah, or do you have that?

[1:51:09] Yeah, I have that.

[1:51:09] Successor Agency.

[1:51:11] Because for 27.

[1:51:13] Can the be at least 215?

[1:51:15] And again, I thought we're netting again something.

[1:51:17] Well, I think what we're netting against is, you know, some possible growth, you know, even even

[1:51:25] minimal growth.

[1:51:25] And we're going to get the 2% assessment on the property every year, right, so we don't get

[1:51:31] 2%.

[1:51:32] Sorry.

[1:51:33] I pay 2%.

[1:51:34] We get a little bit less than that.

[1:51:37] Right.

[1:51:37] So whenever that represents, it's a pretty small number, it's, it's, it's, you see, why it is.

[1:51:45] radically it should be 2% as long as that is that 2% it's just not everybody gets reassessed every year

[1:51:52] Really, prop their team. It gets reassessed when you sell it

[1:52:00] And then if it's reassessed for for new there's a 1% increase that's allowed as baseline

[1:52:10] mine.

[1:52:13] My property says, okay, wait, so I could be confusing my percentages.

[1:52:18] But there's a limit on property on how much your assessment could increase each year.

[1:52:22] One percent.

[1:52:23] It's two percent.

[1:52:28] Two percent increase.

[1:52:30] Okay, one percent, okay, sorry.

[1:52:31] I'm not crazy, right?

[1:52:32] Yeah.

[1:52:32] No, she said she said she's crazy with you.

[1:52:36] Two percent.

[1:52:40] Yeah, I got it.

[1:52:41] I got it.

[1:52:41] your assess value of which the base rate is 1% that

[1:52:45] readjust upon time of sale.

[1:52:48] So if everyone's property tax is going up 2% in theory,

[1:52:55] it's probably some blended rate based on sales

[1:52:57] and maybe some values that increase or whatnot.

[1:53:00] But if you notice, then our apportionment

[1:53:03] should also rise via similar percentage.

[1:53:05] And generally, we calculate.

[1:53:08] So I'm trying to answer the question for you.

[1:53:10] Yeah, and I think that the delta between the two 15 and the 58 should encompass some revenue

[1:53:17] growth in property tax and the VLF in lieu of as well, like it would be nice to just

[1:53:24] see that to like have a narrative here so that it tells the story similar to what we were

[1:53:28] saying earlier, the matter of context would help the reader because as we go through this exercise,

[1:53:34] anyone looking at the document will also try to mental math it out and they may come to a

[1:53:39] for an answer, but it'd be nice if we'd just make it very explicit, okay.

[1:53:45] So where is the two 15 for 2027?

[1:53:50] Is it in there?

[1:53:50] But it's offset by other revenue increases.

[1:53:55] I mean, that's the math fantasy that you would have to be.

[1:54:00] And it's in the detail sheet.

[1:54:01] I mean, you can really go through and you can see that if you just the way if you haven't looked at the detail sheet yet,

[1:54:07] It has adjusted budget on the left the adopted budget on the toward the right and then we've got the delta of the variance between them in the over to the far right side.

[1:54:22] So, we're also just anticipating a lower growth rate.

[1:54:27] Again, I think the resale of homes is not nearly what we are imagining interest rates seem to be kind of stuck.

[1:54:36] And so I think those reassessment through sales.

[1:54:40] As I'm driving around, I'm not seeing a lot of signs.

[1:54:44] And this is the summer selling season in theory.

[1:54:47] So I think we've taken kind of a conservative approach on revenue growth for sales.

[1:54:52] How many signs do you see?

[1:54:54] Because I see several more than you're seeing.

[1:54:56] And I drive around the city regularly.

[1:55:00] You look at the data. Yeah, this is a question for data. Yeah, thank our letterly selling. Maybe not as quickly as they were a year ago, but within 30 days. Yeah, they're moving.

[1:55:10] All right. And there may be less units. I mean, the data will show, but I mean, historically, we sell between 90 and 120 units a year.

[1:55:18] That's all right. Yeah. So if it's significantly different than that, then you'd probably see a different, but if it's right around the same with even a little bit of variance and then you add in.

[1:55:29] I mean, some of these prices are kind of out of this world,

[1:55:34] so it kind of balances out a little bit.

[1:55:37] So in addition to that, we continue to look

[1:55:40] at on these expenditure side, the continued savings

[1:55:43] on some of those changes and positions that we've taken.

[1:55:48] So I think we're cautious on that, though,

[1:55:51] because next year we go back into negotiations on contracts.

[1:55:56] And so there will be some pressure there.

[1:56:01] We've lowered a lot of the IT subscription rates.

[1:56:03] That'll be happening in the first quarter of 27.

[1:56:07] Due to that switch to civic plus ends up being neutral.

[1:56:12] But we're having that double expenses now.

[1:56:15] And so that double expense will go away.

[1:56:18] And it'll just be the singular expense specific plus.

[1:56:21] And then we're, this proposal or recommended adjusted budget for 27 also keeps all the special revenue funds balanced and including the LMD and really the budget changes in those other accounts in those other funds are pretty minimal from.

[1:56:43] Can you elaborate on the 600,000 adjustment on expense side for FY27?

[1:56:52] There's a breakout of that, and I'm interested in all of that.

[1:56:57] On what the biggies were?

[1:57:10] Is that the one time spend that you mentioned earlier?

[1:57:13] Is that a component of it?

[1:57:15] Because that's where separating the amount is very helpful.

[1:57:17] Yeah, so some of that is the, the elimination, the downgrading is some of the positions and, and, and what not.

[1:57:24] That salaries.

[1:57:25] You saw on the salaries, but you're on the service and supply line.

[1:57:28] It's adopted at 1.1944 versus 2.574.

[1:57:32] So it's 610.

[1:57:35] So it's a big number.

[1:57:36] So we know 90 of that is the decline in the subscriptions.

[1:57:44] What?

[1:57:45] I don't know that.

[1:57:47] So, we're not going to have $90,000 worth of subscriptions that we currently have, and so this is an unfavorable variance.

[1:58:04] Well, the six owner, okay, all right, sorry.

[1:58:09] So, I think, I mean, it's okay if you don't have it, but I mean, I don't have it off top of my head.

[1:58:16] I think

[1:58:20] those are off to the good.

[1:58:24] Yeah, let me get back to you.

[1:58:25] Let me look at it.

[1:58:26] I didn't really break that down in the same way I had on this one.

[1:58:29] So the 26 year, you had it like an error to say.

[1:58:33] Right, here's the components.

[1:58:35] 27 year, we don't have that.

[1:58:40] Can I ask you a question?

[1:58:42] What?

[1:58:43] Fund $220?

[1:58:44] What is that?

[1:58:45] Project cost $591,000.

[1:58:50] Are you looking at the detail?

[1:58:51] I am.

[1:58:52] Awesome.

[1:58:56] That is, you know, I just had that chart up if I can.

[1:58:58] You may stop the presentation real quick and look at my

[1:59:09] 1, 2, 20.

[1:59:11] I mean, it just says fund and then maybe a code will help 75, 20.

[1:59:16] Well, no, just the page 6 of 7.

[1:59:18] Yeah, just the 2, 20 is what I need.

[1:59:21] 2, 20 is 20.

[1:59:22] There's several 2, 20.

[1:59:23] Yeah, there'll be no.

[1:59:25] It's measured J fund programs, measure J.

[1:59:28] So it's, it's road programs.

[1:59:31] 220 is Measure J. There would be several because those are different light items within

[1:59:37] 220, different kinds of expenses. So I think Councilor Tone was asking about code 7520.

[1:59:45] Project costs 591,000. Right. What is that?

[1:59:52] So that would have been some parts of the road program I would think, the Neighborhood

[1:59:57] because Measure J was a major component of that.

[2:00:02] So, help me read this detail. We've got the adjusted amount and we've got what we adopted on the on the right side. Correct. That's confusing me.

[2:00:15] Here we go right to the left.

[2:00:18] So, we had adopted the 591 so is that a savings then since it's not on the left side for the adjusted balance?

[2:00:26] Yes.

[2:00:28] Why is it a negative and not a positive?

[2:00:34] Are you looking at 75?

[2:00:39] I'm on page 6 of 7 on my screen, right?

[2:00:43] Yeah.

[2:00:43] So I'm looking at, I wish they had, there's no.

[2:00:46] 2, 20, 75, 20, project cost.

[2:00:48] There's nothing in the adjusted line.

[2:00:52] And then there was something, I'd have to find out exactly what that change was.

[2:00:55] Yeah, so there's nothing on the adjusted side, which means we're not we wouldn't be spending it

[2:01:01] Which means I why is that not a positive number a positive 591 to me?

[2:01:06] It looks like it's a negative 591, but if we're not because we're subtracting it from the expenditure budget

[2:01:11] Okay

[2:01:12] We would be subtracting if we zero it out. I switch budgets. I guess hold on wait a minute

[2:01:19] I see what you're asking

[2:01:22] I don't know if we switched the labels of the columns

[2:01:26] We did not. This is how we, this is how we've been doing it.

[2:01:30] Because we have a significant spend for measure J. But why would it go to zero on this project?

[2:01:37] What project do we anticipate that we're no longer doing?

[2:01:40] This would be the second year of the thing we haven't programmed anything for the second year of the road funding.

[2:01:50] There's, you haven't had a CIP, sit-new center projects, you had projects, all the street

[2:01:56] bathing, as I gave you the example, was approved for 26.

[2:02:00] They're going to technically happen in 27, but they're happening with $26.

[2:02:04] You've been on a biennual road program for how long, many years.

[2:02:10] And so this is the year two of that biennial program.

[2:02:14] This is one of the things that this this is a fixed to something that was not fixed a year ago

[2:02:25] So I'm gonna keep asking the same question again. Okay. I don't know how to read this this detail. I'm sorry. So I'm looking at now

[2:02:31] I'm looking at

[2:02:32] 202

[2:02:33] Yes

[2:02:34] has the same code of 7520 project cost, but it was

[2:02:38] 710,000. What are we looking at here? So is that a different year? No 202 is a different that's RMR

[2:02:46] Thank you.

[2:02:48] And so it's any of the road progress, many of the projects in the CIP that were pavement oriented or street light oriented are using a mixture of RMLRA measure J, right?

[2:03:02] So we can go back to the CIP and tease these out, which the exactly these dollar amounts were.

[2:03:11] But I'm going to bet dollars to donuts that we backed these out because it's the second year again of the road program in Clayton.

[2:03:23] Okay, and so then as I'm looking down at these other codes that mentioned all of the ones you just mentioned, for example, it's fund 303.

[2:03:30] And they have, next to them, transfer from measure J, transfer from who to gas tax, transfer from the grants, transfer from RMRA.

[2:03:41] What are those numbers?

[2:03:42] Those are all the, so 303 is where all of our capital improvement projects live.

[2:03:47] That's the fund that they all live in.

[2:03:50] So the funds from those other line items 202 and 220 moved into 303.

[2:03:54] It would have moved in in 2026, yes, but there was because we collect the money, it is revenues, then you move them in the second year when we're actually programming the projects.

[2:04:15] Dennis, may I also ask you what the balance is in our surf fund?

[2:04:20] We had about 700,000 at one point. Have we used some of that already for?

[2:04:27] We have vehicles for vehicles.

[2:04:30] We still have earmarked to 171 or 175 or something for the library refresh project that are programmed in there.

[2:04:39] Yes, so all that's in there.

[2:04:41] And the balance is

[2:04:44] 700 issues.

[2:04:47] Still still.

[2:04:48] Still 700 issues.

[2:04:50] And that's there almost four.

[2:04:53] Yeah, you'll see in the attachment B.

[2:04:58] did for

[2:05:00] The projects that you asked us about last time that we use Sir for some of those projects. In particular, yeah, which is, that's, that's kind of, we saw it to you.

[2:05:16] Who does Sir for the measure today? So though, and those are actually on the top of it, it's a good way to talk about councilwoman, councilmember,

[2:05:25] However, tillman's questions about where's the funding

[2:05:28] come from for some of the existing CIP projects,

[2:05:31] we've listed some of those funding sources,

[2:05:34] who to being another one of them.

[2:05:37] You actually, in that one, you see the 26 paving projects

[2:05:41] and restriping for a month or a parkway,

[2:05:45] that has the most significant mixture

[2:05:48] of all those different funds for those particular projects.

[2:05:56] But

[2:06:02] any other questions?

[2:06:04] I have questions.

[2:06:06] Okay, so now you have me looking at this detail.

[2:06:12] That's okay?

[2:06:14] So, okay, so I'm looking at page 48 of the agenda packet.

[2:06:18] This is the beginning of attachment A.

[2:06:22] Which is coincidentally, is also labeled page 48.

[2:06:25] So that's okay.

[2:06:28] Towards the bottom, the third or the third of the page,

[2:06:32] It says total adjusted revenue 7.008 and total budget revenue 7.5901, you see what I'm seeing?

[2:06:45] So this makes me think about the prior discussion we just had about the $58,000

[2:06:51] unfavorable on revenue.

[2:06:53] This represents a $1.1 million or a favorable on revenue.

[2:06:59] So, how do I interpret that?

[2:07:06] So, I think part of what you're seeing there is the effect of on the very top row on that page,

[2:07:12] the 32 line item 3201.

[2:07:15] Part of what you're seeing is that transfer in for the 1.165

[2:07:22] for a million for the projects from the reserves.

[2:07:27] Oh, so we're reflecting that as I mean, correct.

[2:07:30] Okay, got it.

[2:07:31] Let me sense.

[2:07:32] So that's weird, but I see what yours.

[2:07:34] I see the math.

[2:07:35] That's weird.

[2:07:37] And then whenever we have a schedule like this,

[2:07:43] can we put all the columns?

[2:07:47] Sure.

[2:07:48] Because like, half the columns aren't fit,

[2:07:49] and I like it.

[2:07:51] It throws off my sense of order.

[2:07:55] So we'll fix that for your sense of order.

[2:07:57] It'll help us, too.

[2:08:03] It means have a total of total.

[2:08:05] Okay,

[2:08:09] that's, I think that's my question.

[2:08:11] Anything else, I'll go back to the.

[2:08:17] Hi, Dan.

[2:08:18] Take a presentation.

[2:08:37] So, just to put up, I think we've, I think we've covered all this.

[2:08:42] If you want to go back, we can.

[2:08:44] Now I wanted to move on to discussions of the reserve funding for some of the projects you

[2:08:52] identified at the last meeting.

[2:08:55] This slide represents kind of the conglomeration

[2:09:00] of all of those amounts and the source of the funds

[2:09:05] for each of them.

[2:09:07] So you'll notice that some of the firearms tactical gear

[2:09:10] and the computer that gets installed in the one police

[2:09:14] vehicle took that from surf, the contract for the cameras

[2:09:21] and whatnot for the grove and for community park.

[2:09:24] We took from serve the emergency operation plans.

[2:09:29] We found some money there from SLSF, the grant funding to law enforcement programming.

[2:09:38] We found that we found the right amount in unused and SLSF at this point.

[2:09:45] And then almost everything else we connected back to CIP, just because there was a

[2:09:51] capital projects again using the reserve for those funds and then also the permit tracking

[2:09:57] software as well as the bodywork.

[2:10:00] Foreign cameras in the service contract that goes with that. We're identifying as general fund expenses,

[2:10:10] because that's going to be an ongoing cost for the contract. And then the fund balance from

[2:10:16] general fund for those out years.

[2:10:22] And I will say this. I mean, technically, we don't have to transfer

[2:10:25] the amount for the 28 deficit, because we're not facing that. So we've listed it there more for

[2:10:32] So we won't, this doesn't include moving bad amount of money over to cover that.

[2:10:40] When we talked last meeting, we talked about certain CIP items as well.

[2:10:44] I think I'm trying to remember what section of the discussion they were in, like the sidewalk components.

[2:10:50] Where did those end up here?

[2:10:53] So, at the last meeting, we did not receive clear direction to proceed on that sidewalk project that was listed on the options.

[2:11:02] We did, I'm talking about the four OXLAN sidewalk that you are getting estimate, we have

[2:11:08] that funded.

[2:11:09] That's what we funded.

[2:11:10] In the CIP.

[2:11:11] Yeah.

[2:11:11] That's what I'm saying.

[2:11:11] I was going to make sure that it's not new on the list, it's existing.

[2:11:17] So that this kind of adds to the CIP, it doesn't take anything out, so maybe it does.

[2:11:24] I don't want to get lost.

[2:11:26] It's there.

[2:11:27] It's there.

[2:11:28] And we've got actually design estimates and whatnot already on that.

[2:11:33] So we're going to start tomorrow.

[2:11:36] We could maybe start the goods next week.

[2:11:41] So these are what we built into the built into the 27 budget based on your direction from last time.

[2:11:52] And then just to kind of wrap up, you know,

[2:11:54] I do say that there is a soundness to the budget and some stability based on the reserve funds.

[2:12:02] But we all know that those are one time and using them now for ongoing expenses is not a best.

[2:12:12] I won't say it.

[2:12:13] It's not a good choice on the city's part for the most part.

[2:12:19] You could do it for emergencies, you could do it on a limited time basis.

[2:12:22] I would say we're probably in kind of one of those circumstances, but we need to be cautious

[2:12:28] of that.

[2:12:32] When we did the recommended adjusted budget, we had already in the operations and maintenance

[2:12:39] side of the budget.

[2:12:40] We had already reduced the deficit by a number of other changes in half from what had

[2:12:45] been adopted last year.

[2:12:47] So, we started with that, reducing those expenditures, reducing that, so it netted out to a half of the deficit about $345,000 in deficit spending, if you will.

[2:13:04] But then we added the projects at your direction at the last one, and that's why we are where we are.

[2:13:11] Can I for contact? So if we go to the summary of my 27 suggested revisions, I think it's like eight slides up or something now for

[2:13:20] The one that showed the negative one point one once this is one. Yeah, is that number inclusive of the one time spending that was reflected in the other slide. Yes, sir

[2:13:33] so like this is the part that

[2:13:36] this is the part that

[2:13:39] could be misleading to me at least. I don't know anyone else, but like I would

[2:13:45] like to see the regular deficit projected 27 and then adding a column that says

[2:13:55] one time spend and then total so that you will still see the same one one six

[2:14:00] five but that will break out the that one time spent. That's what we were talking

[2:14:06] That's what I was poorly describing last week or last meeting so that it's very clear that all of this deficit this component is one time in winter

[2:14:20] That's what I would that's that that's a meza

[2:14:23] Okay, we're in an in helpful presentation. Okay

[2:14:29] Any other question I had is when we go back to the list can you go back to the list of the reserve

[2:14:36] Project, oh, Dennis is, sorry, it's going.

[2:14:40] These are.

[2:14:41] Yeah.

[2:14:42] So we removed the library exterior painting 100,000 or so.

[2:14:50] But we don't have any of the library refresh phase 2 or 3 in here.

[2:15:01] So I show that on Attachment V at the very bottom. The dollar amounts for both of those. They are not budgeted in, but I brought them forward because there wasn't, I don't think a clear consensus to add them.

[2:15:17] is at the budget schedule.

[2:15:19] Budget attachment be yes.

[2:15:21] So at the very bottom of the page,

[2:15:23] you'll notice I headed that currently unbudgeted

[2:15:26] and it gives the two phases and the total.

[2:15:34] So tonight you need what from us, exactly.

[2:15:38] What I would appreciate if you're ready to

[2:15:42] would be to approve the budget revisions

[2:15:45] including the augmentations that you asked for on April 7th as you may choose to further

[2:15:52] amend them tonight or direction to go back and do something different.

[2:16:00] Okay, so let me just, I gotta go back to the question.

[2:16:04] That one one six five, you said it was inclusive of these items, but these items on that list

[2:16:10] Represent something like 2.5 million.

[2:16:16] I'm just doing the math in my head real quick, but I'm guessing it's about 2.5 if you put it because every time there's a column of numbers, there should be of total at the bottom so that you can see every time.

[2:16:29] I think it's 2.5, so if the deficit is projected at 1.165 and this is inclusive of 2.5,

[2:16:39] I don't think it's inclusive of 2.5 as well I'm saying.

[2:16:42] It is not inclusive of 2.5.

[2:16:44] It can't be.

[2:16:45] So what is it actually including?

[2:16:48] So what's included in there are the total price of all of those pieces.

[2:16:54] So this is really about reconciling just the CIP pieces.

[2:17:00] This list also includes, let me go back.

[2:17:04] Can you refer to which list you're looking at?

[2:17:06] I've got several taps open.

[2:17:08] Yes, that would be, thank you.

[2:17:10] Is one list, and then the other one is this slide.

[2:17:13] So this is like 2.5, right?

[2:17:15] It would take with the, yes, with the deficits.

[2:17:21] So does it include all, because my question earlier

[2:17:23] was, does it include these things?

[2:17:25] And you said yes, but I'm guessing no.

[2:17:26] The answer is actually no.

[2:17:28] It may include, does it maybe it

[2:17:30] includes everything but the bottom three lines?

[2:17:34] It does not include the library refresh.

[2:17:37] Well, that's not listed here.

[2:17:38] Yeah, that's not listed.

[2:17:42] So I guess what I would say is, I don't feel comfortable

[2:17:44] saying yes at this point.

[2:17:46] I would like to see it presented in a more cohesive way

[2:17:50] that shows exactly what we're adding, you know what I mean?

[2:17:53] Okay, with that layout, with the column or layout, so we can

[2:17:58] Attachment B. Is it B?

[2:18:02] This one.

[2:18:06] That's just the idea.

[2:18:07] We haven't even really gone through that yet, but

[2:18:16] Okay.

[2:18:17] Because I say, I guess the way I would say it is,

[2:18:22] You're making a request of a adjustment for a 27.

[2:18:26] Yes.

[2:18:26] We should say, like, this is the change that I want to make

[2:18:29] and have a, has at least a rough detail, not a granular detail of what it represents and what

[2:18:36] the changes and then break it out into those one time things that we asked for in the prior meeting

[2:18:40] and then whatever is operational so that we say like this is what our new projection is for the operational

[2:18:45] components. Like I think that would be very clear so then then we all know what we're, what we're being asked to approve.

[2:18:55] Is that, that's just my take I don't know if you guys have thoughts on that.

[2:18:57] Well, I was just wondering, could we bring up attachment B and go through that a little bit?

[2:19:04] That is in the packet.

[2:19:06] Is it a standard deck?

[2:19:08] It's not in the deck.

[2:19:10] Is it this?

[2:19:11] Yeah, I can't.

[2:19:12] Oh, yeah,

[2:19:21] we didn't talk about this one.

[2:19:23] We didn't.

[2:19:24] And I think we should just kind of go through it, right?

[2:19:26] Before we finish up here, everybody's up children.

[2:19:43] The AC is working.

[2:19:43] in the AC of definitely overworking.

[2:20:01] It's in the packet. Let's see if there's a hint.

[2:20:05] It's 55. Okay.

[2:20:30] Say 55? Yeah.

[2:20:59] That's so small. I was

[2:21:10] going to say, did you want to walk us through it?

[2:21:16] Or for a, for a, I, for a, a level setting, what's included and what's not included is it all included already?

[2:21:23] So what we included anything in here that was connected back to the CIP expenses, the from your list.

[2:21:35] So if it was in the jump, so then we blow that put in the deficit amounts.

[2:21:41] So the delta I think we're looking at are the other things from the list and the slide deck that we're listed as

[2:21:53] or general fund,

[2:21:58] what I was trying to represent with this schedule was how we moved

[2:22:03] at the request of the council, what we moved in to basically creating CIP type funding projects

[2:22:09] that would be reflected even though they're not part of the official CIP.

[2:22:15] As a way to track the expenses for each of those.

[2:22:18] So are these net news all?

[2:22:20] No, the top, the top $3 million is continuing.

[2:22:25] But that's what that meant.

[2:22:26] But the sidewalk's not there.

[2:22:29] It wasn't inclusive of everything that's in the CIP.

[2:22:33] That's what I was like, where's the rest of the,

[2:22:36] what is the continuing?

[2:22:37] I thought there was a page saying.

[2:22:38] No, so these were the things that I can't remember

[2:22:45] why what we put up there.

[2:22:46] But they're continuing projects because they're under,

[2:22:49] their basically under way.

[2:22:53] Okay, and then the 2027, the next section, or some of the things

[2:22:58] we talked about at the last meeting that we said yes, we want to move forward with and those

[2:23:04] are coming out of general fund reserves. Correct. And then how are those, and that's 20, 20,

[2:23:12] Well, they would be for twenty-seven.

[2:23:14] Twenty-seven. So the next reserve usage is to cover deficit in different years.

[2:23:26] Twenty-six, twenty-seven, twenty-eight.

[2:23:28] Right.

[2:23:35] And all we would be doing for the, I mean, twenty-six,

[2:23:39] we're going to technically need to use at the end of the year.

[2:23:44] Right. That one, twenty-seven,

[2:23:46] be for the budget year, so we would use that in June of 2027 if we have it whatever the

[2:23:54] deficit is at that point that would be earmarked for that and then the same with 28 in June

[2:24:00] of 28 we're putting aside 476,000 but we wouldn't touch that need to touch that until June 30 of

[2:24:09] So just two questions if we agree to this entire list, which I don't know if we're going to do that tonight.

[2:24:19] None of it is affecting our reserve policy at 40%.

[2:24:27] If you recall, I had a slide.

[2:24:29] It's in the presentation where I do the calculation of what the reserve policy is and what the estimated reserve balance would be at that point.

[2:24:38] Let me just go back to the presentation.

[2:24:41] And then library refresh being we haven't started phase one, which will be starting this fall.

[2:24:48] We can always talk about phase two and three at a later date.

[2:24:52] Unless we want to make a decision tonight.

[2:24:56] If I may, I'm a library refresh.

[2:25:00] After my meeting today, there were a couple of requests to add some electrical in the teen study session in a floor outlet in a general area.

[2:25:10] And if we, for those two, we're probably looking at about $20,000 max to do that. We have an explored it. We don't know what's under the ground kind of a placeholder.

[2:25:22] That's the only thing I would offer up as an additional for this evening, and I just found that out today.

[2:25:28] The other items we would hold, we can hold off to a later date and decide what we want to do.

[2:25:36] Okay. And Dennis, I see your summary page where you say, for 2026.

[2:25:45] But I mean, so my question was just the 40% like we're not close yet.

[2:25:52] We're not close yet.

[2:25:52] Okay.

[2:25:53] We're getting, I mean, it's closer.

[2:25:57] So I've got to ask you about this, so the top of this one is stuff that's continuing.

[2:26:04] The 27 new are stuff we're considering adding.

[2:26:10] Where does the sidewalk falling?

[2:26:14] It's already funded in the existing CIP.

[2:26:17] We don't have to do anything else with it.

[2:26:20] But isn't that the same as the stuff in the top?

[2:26:24] Not all of it, I mean, how do we delineate in the items that are included in the top side?

[2:26:30] I think what I need to do is bring back the entire CIP, that way you'll see that all those are in there still, and that's easiest way to do it.

[2:26:38] Yeah, because yeah, just being really clear on what are we being asked to add versus what's already there, would be really helpful.

[2:26:48] Okay, because I think the new section is not even all of the new, it's just some of the new CIP, right?

[2:26:53] It's the ones that are that we made projects within the CIP section in the fund because they're

[2:27:00] CapEx projects.

[2:27:03] I want to separate it.

[2:27:04] I kind of want to separate those out because what I heard last time was a desire to kind

[2:27:09] of track those separately to make sure that they're kind of contained rather than just putting

[2:27:15] them into a line item budget for service and supplies, for example.

[2:27:19] I think that's a good idea.

[2:27:20] But I would, like, you know, have completeness so that we can see it.

[2:27:29] Maybe if I had another section here in between the CIP projects and the reserve usage for

[2:27:36] those other things that are funded from serve for SLSF and whatnot that are on the other slide deck.

[2:27:44] I would just focus on the ask, right?

[2:27:46] The ask is, hey, can we spend more on these items?

[2:27:49] If we change the budget, and so it's really that's the driver, you want to change it from X to Y, okay?

[2:27:55] So do the walk, okay, and then you can see if we had X, here's Y, here's all the differences when you get from here to there, you could even do like a waterfall or whatever, but, okay?

[2:28:04] Yeah, and then it becomes very clear because here we're like juggling between four different schedules that have different intent, like one CIP, one's not, I mean, it would just be helpful to just have a walk.

[2:28:17] Okay, can do that.

[2:28:23] All right.

[2:28:23] So I'd like to see that before we take action,

[2:28:29] because I think it makes it more clear what we're taking action on,

[2:28:31] but that's my take.

[2:28:32] I don't know if you guys feel hungry.

[2:28:34] I agree.

[2:28:35] Comfortable with that?

[2:28:36] Yes.

[2:28:37] Okay.

[2:28:37] Well, I was ready to move on tonight.

[2:28:40] You want to.

[2:28:41] Wait, I understand it.

[2:28:43] And I don't know that I need to see the same thing in here.

[2:28:46] I don't understand that I need to see it again, please.

[2:28:48] Thank you.

[2:28:51] Okay, so did you have feedback that you would like to offer?

[2:28:56] Okay, so I think that's.

[2:28:59] I think you have what you need at this point then.

[2:29:03] I do.

[2:29:04] Thank you.

[2:29:05] Okay, perfect.

[2:29:05] Thank you.

[2:29:06] All right, public comment.

[2:29:08] I think we need to take public comment.

[2:29:09] I did not forget.

[2:29:15] No, no.

[2:29:16] So, this is item 8bd.

[2:29:24] We have any comment on item 8d. Seeing none, I will close public

[2:29:29] comment on 8d. We will move on to 8e. Now, we will begin our workshop in a moment as we take

[2:29:40] we'll take a two minute recess I don't have to but just to be fair I'll give

[2:29:53] us time to address to adjust and shift gears

[2:30:01] And we're still going back to the gap.

[2:30:05] After, not now.

[2:30:10] Okay, so we are back, I think. Yes, okay, we are back. So this is item, we are moving on to item 8e echo.

[2:30:20] There's a workshop on transactions and use text and landscape maintenance to trick renewal.

[2:30:27] And it's just a time, talk very quickly.

[2:30:30] You got it.

[2:30:32] Happy to do so.

[2:30:34] So as we've been discussing for a while now,

[2:30:36] 1% transaction use tax, and also the LMD renewal,

[2:30:41] happening simultaneously.

[2:30:43] So the workshop outline that we have here,

[2:30:47] revisit a little of the history,

[2:30:49] options that we have for the 1% and Council direction,

[2:30:53] some ballot-language options. We are not trying to lock those down tonight. This is a starting point.

[2:30:58] I just want to make that clear that this is kind of towards Smith and Bill and change for both of them.

[2:31:06] And talk about any changes in the LMD ordinance if there are any that this council desires to make.

[2:31:17] So, as we've discussed for the last two hours, revenues are growing slower than expenses,

[2:31:30] and we're burning through some money, and so, with a 1% sales tax measure, that equates

[2:31:37] to a little bit over $1 million as the estimate we've received from HDL, extending the

[2:31:43] the what we talked about last winter with Council with the LMD is an increase in the assessment

[2:31:51] by 10%. So that is something still out there to decide.

[2:31:59] So transaction use tax ordinance options.

[2:32:02] Some of the things that the Council has the opportunity to discuss and decide upon

[2:32:08] The length of the extension, what we talk about in the past is in perpetuity.

[2:32:16] I have mentioned other meetings that there are cities that have put forth a tax measure

[2:32:22] for a period of seven years, 10 years, because Amazon's coming targets coming, they're

[2:32:28] going to bring in this massive revenue influx.

[2:32:31] We won't need the tax measure any longer.

[2:32:34] We are not that city.

[2:32:35] I know I'll call Amazon tomorrow,

[2:32:41] but so without the new money coming on the horizon we

[2:32:48] recommend that moving forward this would be in perpetuity because there is no save

[2:32:52] you're coming in terms of development or you know retail outlets, point of sale from a

[2:33:07] Is there appetite for an oversight body?

[2:33:10] Currently, this is a general fund taxing money goes directly to the general fund.

[2:33:15] You would automatically be the oversight committee.

[2:33:18] But is there interest to have a separate body as an oversight?

[2:33:24] It could be a newly formed body.

[2:33:26] It could be an amended FSC group.

[2:33:30] It could be a variety of different things.

[2:33:32] or it can be the count, that's part of the discussion.

[2:33:38] And part two, that was who is the body.

[2:33:40] If you're going to create a body, how many members

[2:33:43] are you going to look at putting on there?

[2:33:47] And what are their roles, responsibilities,

[2:33:49] how often are they meeting?

[2:33:50] Are they just looking at mid-year?

[2:33:53] And the clothes out on the new budget?

[2:33:55] What does that look like?

[2:33:56] So it's a full development of the oversight.

[2:33:59] I

[2:34:02] will stop there and turn it over to you for discussion on those few items that I just went over.

[2:34:10] Thoughts questions?

[2:34:11] I do have one.

[2:34:13] On the transition, transaction tax, language.

[2:34:17] Is that said in stone or towards be changed?

[2:34:20] This is a jumping off point.

[2:34:23] We're going to workshop the hell out of that.

[2:34:26] What's that?

[2:34:26] We'll work hard.

[2:34:29] We'll work hard.

[2:34:31] need to do that. Hopefully use AI to generate this.

[2:34:38] So, do you want us to answer the things on this slide now?

[2:34:44] Let's give feedback. Yeah. Why feedback?

[2:34:48] Anyone have any questions of staff before we talk about feedback?

[2:34:54] Well, the one question I do have is the oversight body. Can you describe it?

[2:35:00] Rolls of what that oversight body would do, and I didn't realize it could be the council. I thought it might be community members that came together. So what does that mean oversight body?

[2:35:11] It could be. Somebody's going to review that the money is being spent, where we say it's going to be spent.

[2:35:17] What's your doctor? What's unique about this is it's general fund money.

[2:35:23] So, yeah, it's not, so I'll use the LMD as an example, the TLC, that money has to be spent on specific things you can't pay police officers with it, right?

[2:35:34] So part of the TLC mission is to review the expenditures, make sure that the money was spent inside the district for district purposes.

[2:35:41] This is a little unique because it's general fund money, so there's really no strings attached to it.

[2:35:50] This isn't the community body that you said could form if they want to.

[2:35:55] No, no.

[2:35:56] No.

[2:35:56] Yeah, that's what I just want to make sure.

[2:35:58] So this is after.

[2:35:59] So it's after the election.

[2:36:01] Why couldn't we use the finance committee?

[2:36:04] Those are citizens?

[2:36:05] I think it's not the discretion of the council in how we propose the language.

[2:36:09] Correct.

[2:36:10] But I would say having an oversight body of general fund money is silly.

[2:36:15] We should have any, we should not have an oversight body.

[2:36:18] because it's general fun. There is no, the only rule is that it's for legal purposes.

[2:36:24] Right, what are they going to do?

[2:36:26] What are they going to do?

[2:36:27] Task of oversight.

[2:36:29] Yeah, and I don't think people feel comfortable with it.

[2:36:32] There's an oversight there.

[2:36:33] Look at that.

[2:36:34] I did everywhere.

[2:36:35] School district.

[2:36:36] Yeah, but those are specific specific purposes.

[2:36:39] This is general fun.

[2:36:41] So if you look at other jurisdictions who impose a general

[2:36:45] fun sales tax, it's not a thing. It could be, we could do it and just have to do it.

[2:36:55] I don't, I wouldn't even guess on a percentage of what cities do and don't.

[2:37:00] Exactly.

[2:37:01] So I don't, that would be my take. You guys can, but for a general fund that has no limit,

[2:37:07] there is no restriction other than for legal purposes.

[2:37:13] The oversight body has no

[2:37:14] No, I do.

[2:37:15] No, I do.

[2:37:15] You're fine.

[2:37:16] I would agree.

[2:37:17] In the other thing that I would ask us to consider is every time that there's another

[2:37:21] committee, that staff time.

[2:37:23] So how much administrative funding is coming from that to have to oversee us, spending

[2:37:28] what we're already doing.

[2:37:29] That's the other component.

[2:37:31] So I'm a no for an oversight committee for that purpose.

[2:37:34] But could we change our mind a year from now and say, you know what, maybe we should

[2:37:38] or no?

[2:37:39] No, once it's on the ballot, you have to rebound.

[2:37:41] Yeah, you've got to take it in the ordinance.

[2:37:42] Okay,

[2:37:47] so that answers the who is the body question for me

[2:37:52] Except it's the length of the it's the length of the thing do we want a limited term or one in perpetuity

[2:37:59] I think our cinnamon users just recommended in perpetuity, but we it's really discretionary

[2:38:06] So

[2:38:08] Yes, some places do I've seen that as a

[2:38:11] But we're not getting an Amazon on here that we're going to need that.

[2:38:16] Yeah.

[2:38:16] We're going to need that.

[2:38:17] It's already shown.

[2:38:18] We're going to.

[2:38:18] I agree.

[2:38:20] In perpetuity.

[2:38:22] All right, Greg.

[2:38:23] Question.

[2:38:23] What body were you referring to as the oversight body?

[2:38:27] The finance.

[2:38:27] Could be.

[2:38:28] Which we already have?

[2:38:29] These are finance.

[2:38:31] The financial sustainability conditions.

[2:38:32] Oh, you're the finance sustainability.

[2:38:34] There's a different, at the different body.

[2:38:36] Yeah.

[2:38:36] That's the one.

[2:38:37] Yes.

[2:38:38] And now you have to do it, it seems to me, it's changed the scope of its authority, you know, but they would have no activity related to this because there's no limit to the use of funds.

[2:38:49] You just look over and see what's happening.

[2:38:50] But they could just come to a meeting.

[2:38:52] Yeah, we do that.

[2:38:54] They can come and speak at the podium and give their input during it.

[2:38:57] It is bureaucracy.

[2:39:04] All right.

[2:39:05] I might only comment about this and I want to give this on the record.

[2:39:09] One percent equals $1 million is optimistic in times of economic turn down.

[2:39:17] People are not going to be spending and buying things in current tax.

[2:39:22] So my uneducated guess is it's going to be somewhere between 400,000 to maybe 750 at the maximum.

[2:39:33] That's my view.

[2:39:34] You guys are more smart than I am. We should bet the line

[2:39:38] Bobby

[2:39:40] We should bet the line and see where the over-under is

[2:39:44] Sorry, I asked you a question. I think you could give me an answer. No, I think what we the only data points that we have are our current sales tax base and

[2:39:56] Rough estimate provided by who do we use for state

[2:40:00] HDO, there are certified smart people.

[2:40:02] And we've asked them several times.

[2:40:05] They are certified smart people.

[2:40:07] We've asked them several times and they keep coming back with the same number, right, a million.

[2:40:11] So I don't know, I mean, we obviously haven't engaged them to provide consulting services for a specific estimate.

[2:40:20] But I think their general consensus was in that ballpark.

[2:40:25] It may be less, it may be more, and that'll be the case for any sales taxes.

[2:40:33] It is variable.

[2:40:35] It's going to fluctuate.

[2:40:38] Certain, a lot of spend that incur sales taxes, especially.

[2:40:41] So I think, yeah.

[2:40:43] So you did?

[2:40:45] That's good.

[2:40:47] All right.

[2:40:47] In their packet sample ballot language, because you've stated in perpetuity, that will have to be included into the ballot language, because you have to state the term of the measure.

[2:41:03] I'm just wondering why there was a question mark at the end. Are we asking people?

[2:41:08] You are asking a question.

[2:41:09] The ballot is a question.

[2:41:12] It's like a question.

[2:41:13] Yep, that's pretty style. Who is?

[2:41:19] No, it's got a perpetuity in it because it'll either say a term of seven years, 10, whatever the term is.

[2:41:25] Yeah, we'll let the lawyers tell us what's required.

[2:41:29] Absolutely.

[2:41:31] Do you want me to read this to you or how would you like to proceed with perceived bound language?

[2:41:37] You can set up.

[2:41:39] You can ask us to bring something back add something if you would like to create a short-term ad hoc,

[2:41:46] We talked towards Smith the how out of this we can do that as well.

[2:41:49] I turn it to you to how you would like to perceive the language.

[2:41:53] The language we I would recommend we give you general guidance on the components and staff utilize their expertise to come up with language and then we bless it.

[2:42:04] Like us forming a committee will do the exact same thing and take more time.

[2:42:08] Agreed.

[2:42:09] And what's the maximum amount of words?

[2:42:11] It is Saturday, so we're at 16,000.

[2:42:15] 17,000.

[2:42:16] Oh, what's going on?

[2:42:22] We got room.

[2:42:24] Can you put it?

[2:42:25] Can you write it forever and ever?

[2:42:26] Frick.

[2:42:27] Please provide.

[2:42:30] You're on song.

[2:42:32] Okay.

[2:42:33] So.

[2:42:35] Which one?

[2:42:36] This one.

[2:42:37] You are.

[2:42:38] Which one?

[2:42:39] Yeah.

[2:42:39] Oh, yeah.

[2:42:40] Yeah.

[2:42:44] Okay.

[2:42:45] We'll move on to LMD.

[2:42:46] And you want the same feedback?

[2:42:51] Yes.

[2:42:52] So this is the language did you change it and I can't remember?

[2:42:56] No.

[2:42:57] This is from 2017.

[2:42:59] Ignore that one.

[2:43:02] I don't think that's true.

[2:43:02] We're just talking about the current.

[2:43:04] We're not living in the past.

[2:43:05] Like, you did this one, so.

[2:43:07] I mean, I want you to drive.

[2:43:09] OK, so on this one, again, we have up to 75 words.

[2:43:13] So we've got a few more to do.

[2:43:15] But this would add in the residential parcel amount, and then the per acre, which is our current practice for larger parcel, larger holdings, would be that they charge per acre for non-residential properties, and so this would include that language in the ballot measure itself.

[2:43:37] I put in the current rate now, but one of the parts would be to add the 10 percent, that

[2:43:46] language is not baked into here yet to add that new base setting, additional 10 percent

[2:43:51] one time that was discussed by the Council previously.

[2:43:55] So, a couple of things on this one.

[2:43:57] We have a riser on the LMD every year, and this doesn't include that.

[2:44:02] You know, it does not, it's in the ordinance, but it's not in the, it was not in the

[2:44:07] previous balance language, and so I didn't include it this time.

[2:44:11] So we're going to let the lawyers decide if it's required to put a

[2:44:14] riser in the ballot language, because they didn't do it in 2017.

[2:44:19] They didn't do it in 2007.

[2:44:21] Well, let's not talk about that.

[2:44:23] Okay, let's let's go on a go for basis if a riser is required.

[2:44:28] I think that's a a question.

[2:44:30] Oh, make sure of CPI or whatever.

[2:44:33] Yeah, and is it a CPI?

[2:44:34] That's what we haven't used so it's CPI or 3% the lower of right does this one also

[2:44:41] have an as a 75 word limit or is it 70 75 okay. Yeah, so that's one

[2:44:52] Where's the the acre I would rather say per parcel

[2:45:01] It says, per residential parcel, or per acre, for non-essential pressure, or portion thereof, you could love it a lot of words and say per parcel.

[2:45:13] So what that would do if we take out the acre thing, it would change it for non-residential properties.

[2:45:22] And so that would change the dollar amounts collected.

[2:45:32] How much money does that tremendous risk us losing per year by doing that?

[2:45:38] I think probably overall in the city 75,000, and then we, and then we do the 10%, and so we

[2:45:46] do the 10%, we're going to gain 140,000, so half of it we would be, so we're resetting

[2:45:55] the base to get the amount that we need, having the riser, and then having an equal distribution

[2:46:05] versus overweighting large parcels.

[2:46:09] I mean, that's a disadvantage.

[2:46:10] Oh, what do you mean overweighting?

[2:46:11] They're paying the same amount if they have over there now.

[2:46:14] If they have more acres, clearly you're going to pay more, but why would they not?

[2:46:21] So that means that if you own a large parcel, you're paying a greater proportion

[2:46:25] of the maintenance for not your parcel.

[2:46:28] Yeah, it's for you.

[2:46:30] Well, yes, that's what the calculation is.

[2:46:34] But so, like, if you

[2:46:39] theoretically, the assessment

[2:46:42] should be connected to your ability to use the services

[2:46:47] that the district is providing.

[2:46:51] So, if you happen, if you own a large parcel,

[2:46:57] You're going to pay more than the person next to you that's in a residential parcel.

[2:47:05] That's how it's been.

[2:47:06] That is how it's been.

[2:47:08] Your mic is not on.

[2:47:11] It will shift the balance of payment for sure.

[2:47:15] Yes.

[2:47:17] Which is why we're revisiting it.

[2:47:20] And to see is the current balance fair?

[2:47:23] Is that equitable?

[2:47:23] to have someone who has a large parcel pay more without an increase in their level of use.

[2:47:31] Well, when this was written in 2007,

[2:47:36] they have sure the council at that time considered that.

[2:47:40] Well, yeah, I'm sure they did, not saying they did.

[2:47:42] And they wanted to do that because they needed that money to run that district.

[2:47:51] But we had a car for argument to revisit it, right?

[2:47:54] But we can revisit it, yeah.

[2:47:56] So that's what I'm talking about.

[2:48:00] And to

[2:48:04] me, it's like, it should be a function of the usage of the services in the district.

[2:48:16] That's why, like, if you're a family of four and a unit versus a family of four and a different unit,

[2:48:21] You don't pay more because your house is bigger.

[2:48:25] You all have access to the trails and you enjoy the benefit

[2:48:28] that the assessment is supervised in terms of landscaping

[2:48:31] and means that the medians and whatnot.

[2:48:33] The larger, some of the larger parcels are similar.

[2:48:37] They don't use more by virtue of they have a bigger property.

[2:48:42] Now, that being said, we tax them more because we can.

[2:48:47] But I don't necessarily think if they have money

[2:48:50] and then we tax them as a good way to do assessments.

[2:48:53] So that's why I just don't,

[2:48:54] I think that results in an equitable result.

[2:49:00] That's why, that's my take on it.

[2:49:03] And so my, and I agree with you,

[2:49:06] but my question is, is the 303, 72 is what we're paying now?

[2:49:11] What would be actually going on the palate?

[2:49:15] So I want to come back and make sure

[2:49:17] we want to do the 10% riser.

[2:49:19] Yeah, that's what we talked about last time.

[2:49:21] Right. And so we would do that. The other thing is I need to figure out when the next CPI hits.

[2:49:29] Okay.

[2:49:30] And that's it.

[2:49:32] So if it's in March, then it's.

[2:49:36] So it doesn't show up on their bill until December for the December.

[2:49:42] Trunch, right, payment deadline.

[2:49:45] So they're actually like the, the, the order controller would be calculating now what that new number would be.

[2:49:53] Yeah.

[2:49:53] They just have a number.

[2:49:54] What do we get?

[2:49:55] You, I think you usually get like September October.

[2:49:59] Yeah.

[2:50:00] But the calculations are usually done in July and August at the county.

[2:50:04] Okay, so that's why I was asking, would we use the 30370 to work?

[2:50:09] I think it's the CPI. I would like to try to figure out what the CPI amount is for this year that gets added to that.

[2:50:17] Got it.

[2:50:18] And then add the 10% riser on top of that. If that's the council agrees to that, I did. That was a point of direction from you.

[2:50:27] I think that's, I think that's fair rather than missing a year of CPI.

[2:50:33] And we have these scheduled, BLSS scheduled to release CPI May 12.

[2:50:37] Can we go back for a second on the parcels?

[2:50:41] So did you say we would lose $75,000?

[2:50:46] Yeah, that's a reasonable estimate.

[2:50:48] So we would have to reduce what work we do there.

[2:50:52] And there would be $75,000 less available to do work.

[2:50:57] No, because we're adding the 10%, but if you add the 10%, I mean that still you if you added the 10% to everybody, then you're still missing out on 75,000.

[2:51:10] Sure, but the net is not 75.

[2:51:12] Negative.

[2:51:13] The net of this all the activity if we do it as described would be, if you said 140 before.

[2:51:20] 140 would do it with a favorable.

[2:51:24] there be half because there's no the baseline is now to then so it's a favorable

[2:51:30] 50 the two components are favorable 140 unfavorable 75 you net them and the

[2:51:38] net impact of what that would be would be 50 is more than 50 or it based on just

[2:51:43] using the numbers that you not 70 so it's a net but I think of all of the

[2:51:50] need to wait meant that isn't getting done throughout the year, that people complain about

[2:51:55] all the time, that should be getting done with that additional funding. We already know

[2:52:00] that that's not getting done and it hasn't been for, because one, it was locked in for ten

[2:52:05] years to never, except for the CPI, it was never increased. So we're talking 1997, prices plus

[2:52:12] the CPI. This is, I understand that. I said plus the CPI. So by increasing it the 10% which

[2:52:20] I agree with. Why would we not try to add more to it? And I'm not saying charts

[2:52:25] and body more because because they've got to be like punish them, paper, your

[2:52:30] acre. But it's not entertaining their acre. I understand that. We all, we all maintain

[2:52:35] our own property. This is the trails and all of the landscaping in the city. We

[2:52:41] already know that that has not been, especially the trails has not been addressed. And

[2:52:46] And the weeds we can address a lot more, especially given our conditions with our insurance,

[2:52:51] et cetera.

[2:52:52] I'm talking to all the homeowners in the new fire maps.

[2:52:56] Why would we try to get ahead of that in the next 10 years when we know it's not going

[2:52:58] to get any better?

[2:53:00] I think that we should have that extra money coming in.

[2:53:03] Why would we lead money on the table?

[2:53:05] I guess is a best way to say it.

[2:53:06] It's not that we're underfunded.

[2:53:09] I'd say we were underfunded.

[2:53:10] I think there's work we can't do.

[2:53:12] We're working within our means.

[2:53:14] We would have more means by doing this.

[2:53:15] But would we do, I mean we need to use the money that we have now, right, including money that we've left on the table the last couple of years and maybe that means hiring other contractors, maybe that means.

[2:53:32] Yeah, I mean to me it's a fair and it's not necessarily should we do more question, like we should always, we could always do more.

[2:53:40] The question is, how do we fund it, and how do we fund it in a way that's fair?

[2:53:50] So if we want more money or we need more money to do more work, then we all share in that

[2:53:57] burden.

[2:53:59] The way that it works out now is we don't share equally in the burden.

[2:54:04] So if we also need to decide we should have X amount of funding, that's fine.

[2:54:09] we set X amount, or we have X plus Y, whatever happens to be, we can establish what that target

[2:54:15] funding level is. The target is independent of the methodology that which we acquire it. So,

[2:54:21] if we say it should be X, we could just say, well, I'm going to take it often on Dennis.

[2:54:26] That would be unfair, and Dennis should not bear the burden of the entire cost. We should all do it equally.

[2:54:33] But when you say, right now, we're not, we're all not sharing in the, in the same cost, we do currently.

[2:54:39] No, what do you how do we not so if you own a large parcel you're one person are you talking about the new verbiage because currently right now

[2:54:47] It's no in the current verbiage. If you own one like

[2:54:55] Residential parcel you pay a flat rate

[2:55:00] Okay? Okay. If you own a commercial parcel, you're still one person and it's larger, you calculate by acre.

[2:55:10] No, no, I thought you guys are going to have to explain to me then because I'm looking at page 75 or six in this presentation.

[2:55:17] It reads presently. Well, this is how it was in 2017, I guess. Yeah, 2017.

[2:55:26] $234 per year per residential and non-residential parcel or fraction thereof.

[2:55:31] How is that not everybody's paying the same price per parcel?

[2:55:37] This is the language that was on the ballot.

[2:55:41] And it's not the way it's assessed, so who's assessing it?

[2:55:48] So who's assessing it is the is frankly the order controller because they're the ones

[2:55:54] I don't know if you're a programmer, but they're following the ordinance and it's in the ordinance that lays out for non-commercial, it's by acre.

[2:56:04] Okay, so the ordinance has page.

[2:56:07] I guess that it's language.

[2:56:09] That's why I was like, what do you mean?

[2:56:10] Sorry, I did not provide the appropriate context.

[2:56:14] If it were this language here, $x per residential and non-residential parcel, that's okay.

[2:56:22] Because that's the intent or that is the result.

[2:56:27] But in the way that the current ordinance is,

[2:56:30] it creates that discrepancy.

[2:56:34] And the ordinance is what the order controller use it.

[2:56:37] It's not the order controller, sorry.

[2:56:42] So the county assessor, they assess the property value.

[2:56:47] The order controller puts all the fees on.

[2:56:50] So back in 1997, sorry, really quick.

[2:56:52] So I can, yeah, back in 1997 when this was originally put in our ordinance stated what's on page 7, the per acre for non-residential,

[2:57:07] it's in the 76, it's 7, it's yet.

[2:57:12] No, that's the proposal.

[2:57:16] I'm going to lose my mind. Okay, so, so.

[2:57:19] You're not, you're not on.

[2:57:21] Help, I need you to, okay.

[2:57:23] Let's slow down.

[2:57:24] Okay. What is on page 75? So the page before this one, it's a page six in the presentation deck.

[2:57:32] Yes. Can you go out one slide so we can change page 2017 page? Yes. Okay.

[2:57:37] This one. Yes. There it is. Okay. Sorry. So that was written in the ballot.

[2:57:43] And my question is was that was that language ever in our ordinance? That's the first question.

[2:57:51] And if you don't know the answer to that, I guess the better way to ask it is, is the language

[2:57:55] that is on the following page page seven where it breaks out parcel versus acre, which I was just told was in our ordinance.

[2:58:05] When did that go in the ordinance?

[2:58:07] Okay, so in the ordinance adopted within 2017.

[2:58:13] 17, thank you.

[2:58:16] This is exactly the ballot language.

[2:58:19] This is what the voters saw on their ballot, the day they voted.

[2:58:22] But in the voter guide was the ordinance.

[2:58:25] And the voter guide in the ordinance allowed for this different rate for commercial and residential property.

[2:58:35] And that's where it established, used the same dollar amount per parcel for residential and per acre for non-residential in the ordinance.

[2:58:48] Who wrote the order?

[2:58:49] I was just gonna say.

[2:58:51] I would have been different than measure eight.

[2:58:55] I mean, why would it be different than measure?

[2:58:59] I'm gonna always blame the lawyers.

[2:59:02] I'm going to, I was in Santa Barbara.

[2:59:06] That is a city ordinance.

[2:59:08] That is a city ordinance.

[2:59:09] That is a city ordinance.

[2:59:09] Pass by a city council.

[2:59:10] Yes, sir.

[2:59:11] And they had a reason to do it.

[2:59:13] And it was approved technically was approved by the voters.

[2:59:16] Yeah, approved by the voters.

[2:59:18] So I'm going to go back to why would we change it.

[2:59:20] Then if it was approved by the voters, why would we change it?

[2:59:25] So the so in on slide seven now, this is just something we mocked up for

[2:59:31] discussion today.

[2:59:35] And I thought this was a way to put before the voters, clear or language

[2:59:42] about what the ordinance actually says in practice. And that's why I made this slide edit

[2:59:49] and that's why I highlighted it as an edit that actually better describes what the practice

[2:59:57] Yes, because I think real listen

[3:00:00] Mostly all the voters will read the ballot language. Yes, but they're not going to read all of the ordinance language. I could be available to them. And I would say, as a good citizen, they should, however, maybe not. So if we, like, the intent or the ballot language in the prior iteration was not consistent with the ordinance.

[3:00:27] So I'm okay with keeping the bow language and changing the ordinance or some form to get to the result where the parcels are treated equally.

[3:00:43] That would be my...

[3:00:46] And how many non-residential parcels are we talking about? Do we know?

[3:00:54] You know,

[3:00:58] I don't think it's even three figures. I want to say it's 90.

[3:01:01] Okay, you know, and what's what's interesting on that is because it's the language or

[3:01:12] fraction thereof. So if let's say their parcel is 0.10 acres, they would pay 0.10 of the 303.72 this year.

[3:01:27] So, there's so they don't, there's so put some takes.

[3:01:30] Yes, there's give, gives and takes in, from there.

[3:01:33] The parcel is cleaner.

[3:01:34] Yeah, just make it per parcel and then everyone's on the same footing.

[3:01:38] So that will be an increase for a number of, let's say, the downtown businesses would see a modest increase.

[3:01:51] But outside of that, where there are larger assemblies of parcels,

[3:01:58] then and eight and so the acres would add up, you know, they would see a significant decrease.

[3:02:12] So, yeah, I mean, so she was making a point that it's not a proportional benefit.

[3:02:20] It's not a proportional benefit, it's a flat rate, just like it is for all the residential

[3:02:25] parcels.

[3:02:26] That's the idea.

[3:02:29] Maybe the key point of the residential parcels are typically more uniform in size.

[3:02:44] I'm actually trying to look up our ordinance on our website and I can't find it.

[3:02:49] Can we think on this one?

[3:02:52] thing. Okay. Yeah. We don't have to make a decision tonight. And Dennis and I can work on

[3:03:00] other idea. Other options or anything, a hybrid that we could, I don't know. Okay.

[3:03:04] Look at some. Yeah. And it would be nice. I mean, I hate to give you more work, Dennis. But

[3:03:11] I would like to know how many non-residential, how they would be affected versus what they're

[3:03:17] already currently paying. And that's the part that if this is what they're already paying,

[3:03:21] Why are we changing it? Do you see what I mean? They've been doing it for 10 years. What is the problem?

[3:03:26] Now, that's what I'm wrinkling.

[3:03:29] They've been doing it for 10 years.

[3:03:32] If there's a history of inequity, it's never wrong to revisit and say it should be more echoed.

[3:03:37] I don't disagree, but I don't disagree, but I don't see anybody complaining about it.

[3:03:42] And I'm trying to understand why we would do that now.

[3:03:46] Again, I'm going to go back to leaving money on the table.

[3:03:49] it's their commercial properties and there are residents. They're not equal. I don't think

[3:03:57] that they should be equal. They're different entities. I get see if you were saying, you know,

[3:04:04] that guy up there on the big hill has a larger house he should pay more. We're not doing that.

[3:04:08] It's their different entities. Different structures. So why would they pay more? So do they

[3:04:15] more of a benefit. If there is. Sure. If they are, I mean, use the trails, for example,

[3:04:23] if they have more of a footprint towards the trails, then yes, they should pay for more

[3:04:27] of that maintenance for those to be maintained. They take for their own property. This is

[3:04:31] no. I'm not talking about their property. We're talking about the LMD, right? Isn't that

[3:04:35] of this for? Right. So you've got all of the city fronting spaces and you have all of the trails

[3:04:42] that have to be maintained. If those properties that happen to be commercial properties are

[3:04:47] fronting more of that or the trails, they should pay more. Why? Why wouldn't they?

[3:04:54] Because they have no greater use of it. But they've got people who could be coming through those areas,

[3:04:58] maintain them more. We, we may.

[3:05:00] We're maintaining them for them, but they have more of a footprint there. Why wouldn't they?

[3:05:06] That was been my argument. I agree with you. If I'm coming down, Clayton wrote a word of the golf course to play golf, and that's all I have passed as weeds and rocks to get there, I take a bad look at that town.

[3:05:17] But if it's nicely kept, it's a compliment to the golf course.

[3:05:23] Those commercial properties are drawing people to the town. That's right. That's my argument for it.

[3:05:28] Well, and they're paying taxes for that and sure yeah, okay. I'm I'm going to sleep on it. Yeah

[3:05:39] So yeah, we can move through the the options length of extension ten years again same as prior

[3:05:48] Extensions

[3:05:50] Yes, yeah, okay people like the ten years what's that I think people like the ten years yeah

[3:05:57] We'll skip the base because we need to do some more work on that.

[3:06:01] Oversight right now is the TLC, maintaining the TLC the next question is the number of members

[3:06:07] in the TLC, if there's any adjustment or amendment there, or any change you want to make

[3:06:11] to that body?

[3:06:15] I don't know where did a lead then ever come from?

[3:06:19] Just as a five.

[3:06:23] Well, this would take effect after it goes in the collection because it'll match the

[3:06:30] boardets will be the timeline in the cadence of

[3:06:32] was that July 1st, 2027, because I think it sunsets June 30.

[3:06:39] It would be July 1st. Yep.

[3:06:42] Yeah.

[3:06:42] Because this is on five.

[3:06:43] It doesn't matter to me.

[3:06:44] It's been 11.

[3:06:46] Well, I would like to know the rationale for making it five.

[3:06:48] I think it's just hard to get a form.

[3:06:51] Hard to get.

[3:06:51] Yeah.

[3:06:52] There hasn't been.

[3:06:53] It hasn't been hard to get a form only a couple times.

[3:06:55] All the other times we've had the meeting.

[3:06:57] need a couple times. Correct. Well, they meet more now. But there was only last summer when we

[3:07:04] couldn't get a corps. I think there were two times when we couldn't. Maybe two.

[3:07:08] Our financial sustainability committee is set at five. I just, I don't see the reason for 11 people.

[3:07:18] I think the larger group makes it more unwieldy. Yeah.

[3:07:20] I don't think you're supposed to have an opinion, sir.

[3:07:26] Uh-huh.

[3:07:32] One is to feel, you need to, you need to odd number.

[3:07:36] Three, you could run into issues.

[3:07:39] Five is the next lowest. It should be the lowest number.

[3:07:43] So that'd be my team.

[3:07:45] Maybe an alternate future too.

[3:07:49] I don't know if you could do that.

[3:07:52] I don't know if it's necessary.

[3:07:53] I don't know if that's a lie.

[3:07:54] I don't know if that's a lie.

[3:07:55] I don't know if that's a lie.

[3:07:56] I think, because a lot of the ones I want to do

[3:07:57] would go dig in the history.

[3:07:58] If it were what they had 11.

[3:08:00] Yeah, 11.

[3:08:00] I want to know.

[3:08:01] I want to dig in the history.

[3:08:02] I want to dig in the history because they had, when they

[3:08:04] formed that landscape trail, that was going to be big.

[3:08:06] They wanted more people.

[3:08:08] Oh, possibly.

[3:08:09] First formed.

[3:08:10] It was called the Community Service Commission.

[3:08:12] I think I told you.

[3:08:13] I was one of the original members.

[3:08:14] It was five of us, and for that's before in the last case.

[3:08:18] So we had other things to do, but not landscape game.

[3:08:22] I think they thought that was a huge, it was a big debate.

[3:08:25] They figured they needed more.

[3:08:27] You still currently in your municipal ordinance

[3:08:29] have a committee services commission,

[3:08:31] because it is not an existence.

[3:08:35] So there could be a reworking of TLC in this commission.

[3:08:40] It's, but again, that's policy decisions

[3:08:42] that we can bring back in our discussion.

[3:08:44] That'd be great.

[3:08:45] Thank you.

[3:09:00] The last piece on this, we were just trying to sauce out with you about whether you want to keep the description of the district the same.

[3:09:10] Is there anything you want to add subtract multiplier divide in this?

[3:09:15] Just keep it the same.

[3:09:18] I have no changes unless you have recommendations.

[3:09:21] I would keep it as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as that's, that's, that's, it, it,

[3:09:28] it doesn't say how often that work will be done. That's all determined by the amount of funding

[3:09:33] that that this is, the purpose of the district basically. Okay.

[3:09:40] And then next steps going through

[3:09:42] that calendar. I'm not going to read that to you. It's in your packet. Kind of the timeline

[3:09:46] of what we're doing. We've got to know the number third. And we will bring back some of

[3:09:50] items as you have requested.

[3:09:54] So I'll turn it over to you for any questions or a public comment.

[3:10:01] You hear that? I personally feel like my thunder. It's late. I'm trying to be of assistance. Okay. Public comment?

[3:10:09] Oh, please.

[3:10:15] Thank you for going into detail over all that. I didn't know what the L&D was. Prior to tonight trying to find out online. There's a lot of words that go around and I wasn't quite sure.

[3:10:24] for five years.

[3:10:26] I have $303.

[3:10:29] Just a little business.

[3:10:32] Some ideas I've had based off of your dialogue tonight.

[3:10:37] I do agree that commercial properties are different than residential properties.

[3:10:42] They, because they are not supplying a place for people to live,

[3:10:48] who would then use the trails, maybe they should, for that reason,

[3:10:51] pays slightly more, based off their size.

[3:10:54] And because I think a lot of businesses in downtown Clayton are smaller, it's actually

[3:11:01] rewarding them for being local, small businesses by having them pay less since they're

[3:11:07] paying by acre.

[3:11:09] I would like to see as a resident of Clayton a breakdown of all of the commercial properties

[3:11:17] so that I can more easily make that decision.

[3:11:19] This is just going off of my intuition and walking around the neighborhood, but I would like to see that data.

[3:11:24] So if that would be easily, if that could be provided to the members of Clayton that would be greatly appreciated.

[3:11:34] I guess that's all I have about this specific issue right now.

[3:11:36] I have other issues.

[3:11:37] You have your whole time you can talk about whatever you want.

[3:11:40] Well, thank you.

[3:11:41] Okay. Well, if that's the case.

[3:11:44] There was a lot of discussion tonight about one time uses of specific funds.

[3:11:48] I think it would be interesting as a resident to see possibly a list of revenue generating

[3:11:58] sources for those one time uses.

[3:12:00] So I'm thinking of the baseball field, adding a baseball diamond to the fields, could

[3:12:06] possibly a revenue generating source.

[3:12:09] I'm just curious if there was a way for the public to be involved in coming for ideas for

[3:12:16] new revenue-creating sources to use those funds instead of just using them on something that,

[3:12:24] I don't know, that's the one-time use and maybe it doesn't draw in more people to the

[3:12:29] neighborhood to spend money or more options for people to like reserve, picnic tables or do

[3:12:39] we have tennis courts that we can add or a soccer field where people could reserve it and

[3:12:45] spend money and it could be a long-term revenue generator.

[3:12:50] Okay, I think that's all I have.

[3:12:51] Thank you so much, Council.

[3:12:53] Thank you.

[3:12:56] I would just say property tax roles in the assessments

[3:13:01] of each there in is public information.

[3:13:04] So we should be able to get a table that shows very clearly.

[3:13:10] Yeah, I think that's a lot of things that I'm asking for.

[3:13:18] Okay, so no other public comment,

[3:13:20] a closing public comment on item

[3:13:26] eight.

[3:13:28] Thank you.

[3:13:29] Thank you.

[3:13:29] Is it eight?

[3:13:30] Okay.

[3:13:32] All right.

[3:13:33] So does staff have sufficient direction?

[3:13:38] And is our expectation that we were coming back

[3:13:40] at this at our next meeting to talk again?

[3:13:42] Or when is the next time we will talk again?

[3:13:45] Future meeting.

[3:13:46] We need to look at the schedule.

[3:13:47] What we have.

[3:13:48] Okay.

[3:13:48] Because I'm looking at the, I'm looking at the

[3:13:54] language and there's only one meeting between them.

[3:13:57] So are we coming back with this at, I'll, I'll re-ass the question.

[3:14:00] We have to come back with this at our next meeting.

[3:14:03] You have to.

[3:14:04] You said that May 19th, the ballot language is due.

[3:14:07] No, no, no, no, no.

[3:14:08] We were, we were, we were, we were not getting the money.

[3:14:11] No, no, no, no, no.

[3:14:12] No, no, no, no.

[3:14:13] We were not getting the money.

[3:14:14] OK.

[3:14:15] Yes, we have August 7.

[3:14:18] Yes, we have time.

[3:14:19] OK.

[3:14:20] I'm Miss Red.

[3:14:21] Well, that's confusing.

[3:14:23] So I think the intent of the schedule was to bring back, based on your direction, something

[3:14:29] more for finalized than what we had today.

[3:14:31] Today was to talk about it.

[3:14:33] So we will talk about this again on May 19th.

[3:14:39] I'm just going by your calendar.

[3:14:43] We can do that.

[3:14:44] All right.

[3:14:44] So we will not talk about this on May the 5th.

[3:14:51] Sure.

[3:14:51] We'll have other things to talk about.

[3:14:53] Sure.

[3:14:53] All right.

[3:14:54] Cool.

[3:14:54] So that is the last item on the regular agenda.

[3:14:56] And I will adjourn and turn back over.

[3:14:59] See you.

[3:15:00] For a guide chair to continue the item that we did not talk about about the guide at the beginning of

[3:15:06] day. He probably needs a moment to switch over to do the recording correctly.

[3:15:12] Peace out.

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