[4:17] >> Good morning and welcome to

[4:19] the work session for Colorado

[4:20] Springs City Council for

[4:22] Tuesday, SEPTEMBER 8th

[4:22] Twenty-twenty 6. Will the

[4:26] clerk please call the roll?

[4:29] >> Councilmember Casey here,

[4:29] Councilmember Corona the here.

[4:32] That's a member. Donna your

[4:33] councilmember gold and some

[4:33] member engine as councilmember

[4:37] line with here. Councilmember

[4:41] raining here and some member

[4:41] risley Councilmember Williams

[4:45] on PRESIDENT.

[4:45] >> Are there any changes?

[4:50] Today's Jen, Seeing none

[4:52] moving on to the regular

[4:52] comments. Are there any

[4:53] changes to the regular

[4:58] meeting?

[5:02] >> If for a will be.

[5:03] >> Clerk, please read item

[5:05] foray into the record.

[5:06] >> City Council work session

[5:09] meeting minutes AUGUST. 24

[5:09] 2026.

[5:10] >> Are there any changes to

[5:16] these minutes? Seeing none

[5:19] moving on to item 5, a.

[5:20] >> Well, the please read item

[5:21] into the record.

[5:26] >> Thomas would be.

[5:28] >> tried our 10 cool and

[5:29] really sunrise. Pascoe County

[5:30] District Court case number.

[5:38] 26, see the 3, 1, 6, 4, 1,

[5:54] Sorry, just a second.

[5:58] Hang on

[5:59] need to get my computer. Just

[6:13] give me one minute.

[8:56] >> Good morning, Stephanie

[9:01] Foster City attorney.

[9:02] >> Before the

[9:03] >> city Council today is a

[9:06] matter involving Thomas Wage

[9:09] versus Tony Bauer. Tom Cool.

[9:09] Andrew l#

[9:10] #

[9:11] . Jason Reser.

[9:12] It's a case in front of a

[9:14] e-pass si El Paso County

[9:17] District Court. It's case

[9:21] number 25 cd. 31 6, 4, 1,

[9:21] Council has in its agenda

[9:26] packet. A memorandum from the

[9:27] city Attorney's office which

[9:27] describes the nature of the

[9:33] case. And the civil action

[9:35] invested investigation

[9:38] committee met on AUGUST 14

[9:40] 2026. And recommends that has

[9:42] city council acknowledged the

[9:43] city's obligation to resent to

[9:43] represent the officers

[9:47] involved. As required by the

[9:49] Colorado Governmental Immunity

[9:50] act and the peace officers

[9:55] liability act and city

[9:56] attorney's office recommends

[10:00] that the city Council. Engage

[10:05] in that representation. So

[10:06] that ice time, I just need a

[10:07] thumbs-up from council

[10:08] members. If you the attorneys

[10:10] moving forward.

[10:14] >> Dan, thank you. Moving on

[10:17] to item 7, a well. The clerk

[10:20] please read item 7 a into the

[10:21] record informational

[10:22] presentation on the homeless.

[10:22] Homelessness Response Action

[10:28] Plan. Good Morning, Amy. Good

[10:30] morning, MADAM. PRESIDENT,

[10:31] members of City Council, I'm

[10:32] Aimee Cox, the chief housing

[10:35] and homelessness response

[10:35] Officer. I'm here today to

[10:37] give you an update on the

[10:39] homelessness response Action

[10:41] Plan Council had requested

[10:42] this presentation following

[10:45] the mayor's press briefing on

[10:46] AUGUST. 12th and thank you for

[10:48] your patience. As we got the

[10:50] scheduled, the presentation

[10:52] today will largely follow the

[10:54] outline that was in that

[10:55] presentation or that press

[10:56] briefing. But because

[11:00] homelessness. I often creates

[11:01] conversations that are both

[11:04] broad and deep. There are a

[11:05] number subject matter experts

[11:07] here today who can help answer

[11:08] questions. And so I just want

[11:11] to recognize Lieutenant Ryan

[11:13] Tapley who overseas are hot

[11:15] art programs. Deputy Chief

[11:17] Doug Trainer, Steve Johnson

[11:18] with the Colorado Springs Fire

[11:19] Department community Health

[11:23] programs. Kyle Hagerman senior

[11:24] analyst in Clutch project

[11:25] manager in the housing and

[11:26] homelessness response

[11:28] Department and the Chantel

[11:29] Withrow is scheduled to be

[11:31] here. She's the division chief

[11:33] for prosecution. They're also

[11:34] a number of providers and

[11:36] concerned residents in the

[11:37] audience today. Thank you for

[11:42] joining us. So the agenda

[11:43] pretty straightforward. I'm

[11:43] gonna give a brief overview of

[11:46] what we do. We'll go over the

[11:47] homeless response action plan

[11:49] and the 3 time horizon, the

[11:50] phased approach we've put

[11:52] together and then I want to

[11:53] recognize City Council's

[11:54] partnership in this work

[11:56] because you are really key

[11:57] players in reducing

[12:02] homelessness in our community.

[12:03] >> Soho Moses is really part

[12:07] of a broader response in our

[12:09] office it's part of a broader

[12:10] set of responsibilities that

[12:12] certainly include and

[12:12] investing in housing choice

[12:14] for low-income households. Our

[12:17] team made investments in

[12:18] nearly 3,000 units that have

[12:20] been leased up completed or

[12:22] under ructions since JUNE of

[12:24] 23. We also fund neighborhood

[12:26] in public facility

[12:28] improvements. We've invested

[12:30] in the current spring senior

[12:31] center, early connections

[12:34] learning centers and we help

[12:36] to build parks in low income

[12:36] neighborhoods. And this is

[12:39] part of a our commitment to

[12:40] improving overall quality of

[12:44] life our community. We manage

[12:47] diverse funding sources with

[12:48] each with different compliance

[12:49] requirements. So there's a

[12:52] level of complexity here. And

[12:54] with all these funding sources

[12:57] available in 2025, we

[12:57] distributed about 1 million

[12:59] dollars for homelessness.

[13:02] Response. And that was mostly

[13:04] to support shelters. Emergency

[13:06] shelters and winter shelter

[13:07] operations. And the intent

[13:09] here is not to grouse about

[13:11] resources, but to emphasize

[13:12] that our most significant

[13:13] contribution to homelessness

[13:14] response is really in our

[13:17] leadership and coordination.

[13:17] And these are themes that

[13:18] you're going to hear

[13:21] throughout this presentation.

[13:22] But we're going talk about the

[13:24] homeless is response. Action

[13:28] plan. The plan outlines 61

[13:29] actions across 6 priorities

[13:32] over 5 years. These actions

[13:34] were shaped by residents.

[13:36] Businesses, service providers

[13:37] and government government

[13:38] partners through a robust

[13:41] public engagement process. The

[13:44] focus is on addressing

[13:45] immediate challenges. Well,

[13:46] building long-term solutions

[13:50] to reduce homelessness the

[13:51] housing and homelessness

[13:52] response Department is

[13:53] responsible for operation

[13:55] allies saying these actions

[13:56] and Rauner rather than manage

[13:58] the plan just like a

[14:00] checklist. We worked with

[14:00] commute. Our Community

[14:01] Development Advisory committee

[14:04] to develop a phased approach

[14:04] with actions that are intended

[14:07] to build upon each other to

[14:08] meet those immediate needs and

[14:11] increase our capacity. Our

[14:13] system capacity to generate

[14:13] outcomes and phase one. We

[14:17] built a foundation trying to

[14:18] set clear goals and getting

[14:21] buy-in from departments and

[14:22] partners. Strengthen U.S..

[14:24] Phase 2 will be about

[14:25] strengthening our system

[14:26] performance both internally

[14:29] and externally. And in phase

[14:30] 3, the work is to build a

[14:32] sustainable continually

[14:33] improving system. It's very

[14:39] ambitious. In the first year.

[14:40] And you're familiar with most

[14:41] of these actions, we completed

[14:42] more than half half of the

[14:46] actions in the plan. We

[14:47] expanded. You actually

[14:48] approved the expansion of the

[14:51] set line ordinance approved a

[14:52] budget to expand the homeless

[14:52] outreach team from 68

[14:57] officers. Vested in the

[14:59] downtown clean and safe pilot

[14:59] program or is it 860,000 to

[15:03] expand winter capacity? We

[15:03] completed a housing needs

[15:06] assessment to understand our

[15:06] the gaps in affordable housing

[15:10] in our community. And we

[15:11] identified ongoing operations

[15:14] for expanded coordination and

[15:15] this is important because

[15:16] about one-third of the actions

[15:19] of the plan, our ongoing

[15:21] operational activities such as

[15:22] expanding right of way,

[15:23] cleaning and planning for

[15:28] winter shelter. So we are

[15:29] currently in the expansion

[15:30] phase. And I want to pause

[15:33] here for a couple of minutes

[15:34] because a common question that

[15:38] I get it is what works to

[15:39] reduce homelessness and what

[15:42] community is where are people

[15:47] doing this? Well, and it's

[15:48] easy to look at communities

[15:49] like San Antonio or Austin San

[15:53] Diego, which are beautiful

[15:55] cities to see what's going

[15:58] well. But we see that a lot of

[15:59] what's happening while that's

[16:00] happening in places like

[16:02] Rockford, Illinois, in

[16:03] Chattanooga, Tennessee, and

[16:09] Reno, Nevada. The evidence

[16:11] based practices point to one

[16:14] consistent factor. And that is

[16:15] strong system management and

[16:17] it's about reframing the

[16:18] conversation from how many

[16:19] people are we serving in our

[16:22] system to are we actually

[16:23] reducing homelessness? Are

[16:25] there fewer people

[16:27] experiencing homelessness in

[16:30] our community the best

[16:32] practices include by name data

[16:35] routine case conferencing,

[16:36] shared performance tart. So

[16:37] everybody knows all the

[16:39] partners and the system know

[16:43] what we're aiming for. It's

[16:44] about prevention and diversion

[16:46] to prevent people from

[16:47] entering the system

[16:48] altogether. That is the most

[16:49] effective homelessness

[16:50] response strategy is

[16:54] prevention and diversion. Its

[16:55] housing, focus, shelter and

[16:55] outreach to focus on exits

[16:58] from our system. And it's

[17:01] strong housing navigation

[17:03] because most people

[17:05] experiencing homelessness do

[17:07] not need intense wrap around

[17:08] services. They need housing

[17:11] that they can afford. Housing

[17:13] is very much the service and

[17:14] once people are house will see

[17:15] significant improvements in

[17:15] their health and their

[17:19] functional mental house. And

[17:20] we do this work well in our

[17:22] community with veterans throw

[17:23] built for 0 program by

[17:24] identifying every veteran in

[17:27] our community and then using

[17:28] case conferencing to to

[17:31] connect them to resource, to

[17:32] help them exit the system. And

[17:34] we have seen meaningful

[17:35] reductions in veteran

[17:38] homelessness in our community.

[17:39] So this year and next, we're

[17:40] focused on strengthening our

[17:40] system management through

[17:42] better coordination internally

[17:43] with the homelessness response

[17:46] team, which we'll talk about

[17:48] here depending deepening our

[17:49] partnership with the Pikes

[17:51] Peak continuum of care,

[17:53] improving behavioral health

[17:55] coordination and using better

[17:55] data to track and improve

[17:59] performance. And quite

[18:01] frankly, using better data to

[18:02] reviews, reduce the confusion

[18:03] that there is in this

[18:03] community.

[18:05] >> About how we count using

[18:08] point in time counts and

[18:09] annual reports. So really

[18:12] shifting our practice to more

[18:12] real time data reporting and

[18:16] transparency. And some of our

[18:20] current activities include the

[18:21] homelessness response team.

[18:24] Again, more on that here next.

[18:24] We've strengthened regional

[18:27] coordination through a joint

[18:29] joint leadership of our Pikes

[18:30] Peak can of care with the

[18:31] Pikes Peak United Way. And I

[18:32] think this is really a

[18:34] game-changer in our city

[18:36] because city is now not just a

[18:37] member of our continuum of

[18:41] care, but we're a key partner

[18:41] driving the impact with the

[18:45] Pikes Peak United Way. The

[18:46] Police Department U.S.

[18:48] Operations team which now

[18:49] includes 14 officers and 2

[18:52] sergeants who provide coverage

[18:52] enforcement and coverage 6

[18:56] days per week we invested

[18:57] funding to him to Step

[18:58] Springs, to secure community

[19:01] housing for men and recovery.

[19:02] And they have a accident track

[19:05] record of helping then escape

[19:07] addiction and homelessness in

[19:09] our community. We're testing

[19:10] diversion services for

[19:13] families of children living in

[19:14] their vehicles through

[19:14] Catholic charities and

[19:17] diversion is a best practice

[19:17] for meeting housing.

[19:19] Instability needs without

[19:21] requiring a shelter. Stay so

[19:24] really leans into the strength

[19:25] that families and families

[19:30] with them. We watched a

[19:31] housing action plan which

[19:32] includes planning for

[19:33] supportive housing, which is

[19:34] housing with those wrap-around

[19:38] services and housing for

[19:39] seniors and the military and

[19:40] with council support. We

[19:41] shifted nearly 2 million

[19:43] dollars of federal funding

[19:44] into tenant based rental

[19:45] assistance to support

[19:47] households with expiring

[19:53] emergency housing vouchers.

[19:54] The homelessness response team

[19:54] is a key change in was a

[19:57] highlight in the Mares press

[19:59] briefing on the 12th City

[20:02] Apartments have been meeting

[20:02] for a couple of years to

[20:03] communicate about our

[20:04] activities and to talk about

[20:06] what we're seeing on the

[20:07] ground in the community and

[20:08] how we might best approach

[20:11] those those activities.

[20:12] However, Mary Emmys took this

[20:14] up a level and directed

[20:16] departments to operate through

[20:17] a coordinated.

[20:20] >> Whole of government

[20:20] approach.

[20:21] >> Homelessness is by its

[20:22] nature cross departmental.

[20:24] There isn't a single

[20:25] department that has all the

[20:25] tools or the expertise needed

[20:29] to solve the problem. Housing

[20:29] and homelessness response is

[20:31] the coordinator of this

[20:32] effort. And then we really

[20:33] coordinate the internal

[20:35] expertise and responsibilities

[20:37] so that our decisions will

[20:42] reflect a unified city

[20:43] response and initial

[20:45] priorities identified by this

[20:46] group includes share data so

[20:49] that we all have access to the

[20:51] data we're collecting in the

[20:53] various departments and can

[20:54] use that in defining the

[20:56] problems. And and finding

[20:58] solutions. It's about

[20:59] coordinated outreach and

[21:01] encampment closure to ensure

[21:02] that when wearing clothes

[21:04] encampments, we are doing that

[21:06] permanently. And that means

[21:08] both securing the space and

[21:09] helping people find a better

[21:12] alternative. It's improving

[21:13] our communication both

[21:16] internally and externally

[21:17] because public trust and

[21:17] confidence are really

[21:21] important to this work. We'll

[21:22] start to lean into behavioral

[21:25] health planning. They MAY have

[21:30] a question from council mind.

[21:31] Brought up.

[21:33] >> Yeah, quite quite a bit.

[21:35] That's nice phrase. But what

[21:38] is what it what is that? What

[21:39] it what systems are there?

[21:40] Because everyone on it so is

[21:41] this entire list using the

[21:46] same system? How do week?

[21:47] Because it is a whole team

[21:48] effort. I really like this

[21:49] approach. Yeah. But as

[21:52] everyone on the same page, no.

[21:52] >> I think that is the

[21:55] challenge we have. Mean, we

[21:55] have each department collects

[21:58] their own data. And and what

[21:59] we're trying to do is create

[22:02] some sort of, you know,

[22:02] warehouse or lake where that

[22:03] information can be shared and

[22:07] pulled from. So right now,

[22:09] when we need we want to report

[22:10] on data. We have to reach out

[22:15] to each individual department

[22:16] the measures are not collected

[22:18] consistently across all of our

[22:20] That's one of the efforts will

[22:22] be working on internally is to

[22:23] have a more standardized way

[22:27] of collecting your data. Know

[22:27] there's a lot of different

[22:28] systems that are out there

[22:29] that different organizations

[22:32] are using the rescue mission

[22:32] uses.

[22:33] >> They are. They are

[22:34] participating now. I believe

[22:36] in h m I a s.

[22:39] >> But they also have another

[22:40] system and then there's gelato

[22:44] I heard about and I haven't

[22:44] seen it. But but that's the

[22:47] thing is all these different

[22:48] systems. And yet this, if we

[22:49] talk about a whole team

[22:50] approach and we're all talking

[22:51] a different language. We've

[22:54] got to figure that out.

[22:55] >> Yeah, we have to figure

[22:57] that out. Homeless management

[22:57] information system does not

[23:00] work for the information that

[23:01] we collect. But I was the

[23:03] Coral Springs Fire Department

[23:06] enters information and to my a

[23:09] half and and in their outreach

[23:10] efforts when they're

[23:10] countering somebody in the

[23:11] street, they can identify what

[23:13] other services they MAY be

[23:14] connected to.

[23:15] >> But internally real, you

[23:16] know how many?

[23:20] >> How many tickets the police

[23:21] department writes, it's not

[23:22] going to be something we

[23:23] collect an age. My a#

[23:23] #

[23:24] . It's

[23:25] my is really a longitudinal

[23:28] data base that looks at the

[23:31] client and is how we can track

[23:34] people's movement through the

[23:35] system. Well, that's what

[23:35] works and doesn't sometimes we

[23:36] just look at the numbers like

[23:38] how many do we have?

[23:40] >> Yeah, but how many have

[23:42] made a visit to jail? How many

[23:43] have made a visit to our

[23:46] hospitals emergency rooms

[23:48] right? Mean, all that can be

[23:49] really valuable information.

[23:50] So are we coordinating like

[23:51] it? I don't know if I saw

[23:54] hospitals on here.

[23:56] >> No, you don't spills,

[23:57] honor.

[23:58] >> This is this is our

[24:00] internal homelessness response

[24:01] team. And actually we've made

[24:02] an invitation Colorado Springs

[24:03] utilities to join this team.

[24:04] This is our internal

[24:06] homelessness response team.

[24:07] But all the work we do

[24:09] internally has an external

[24:10] next s.

[24:12] >> And so we have identified,

[24:15] for example, ppr oem in after

[24:16] action report for Winter

[24:18] shelter identified the need

[24:19] for better coordination with

[24:22] our health system. We have

[24:24] identified in the continuum of

[24:26] care from our collaborative

[24:26] application. We report to hide

[24:28] on the performance of arc of

[24:31] our community and our system.

[24:33] They want to use with

[24:33] behavioral health

[24:34] organizations. We have not had

[24:37] those and the past. So those

[24:40] are things that we're working

[24:40] on externally.

[24:43] >> How can counsel help?

[24:47] Because I think you're right.

[24:47] I think data sharing is

[24:48] probably at the top the list.

[24:49] We have to know what we're

[24:52] dealing with right at the

[24:52] individual level. So yeah, how

[24:55] do we get there? So I think

[25:00] that. The what, again, this is

[25:02] part of the theme of this

[25:03] presentation which and is that

[25:06] our biggest asset in the

[25:07] system is the leadership and

[25:08] the coordination that we can

[25:11] bring the entire system. So

[25:14] our ability to take internal

[25:15] work and attached to the

[25:16] external work. And I think

[25:21] that's where we have. We will

[25:21] struggle with the number that

[25:22] staff at Iran are offices that

[25:26] we've. I have an adequate

[25:29] number of people to actually

[25:30] do this work. So we've had to

[25:33] move folks from other critical

[25:34] functions to respond to the

[25:36] homeless. U.S. Response team,

[25:38] which is important. So we are

[25:40] happy to do it. And again, I'm

[25:40] not here to grouse will be

[25:42] plenty of time. Talk about

[25:44] this during the budget

[25:45] hearings. There are plenty of

[25:47] departments in our city that

[25:48] need support. But this does

[25:49] require dedicated

[25:53] coordination.

[25:57] >> And we part of our role and

[25:58] housing homelessness response

[26:00] as a partner in our continuum

[26:00] of care and that collaborative

[26:02] application and that system

[26:03] leadership.

[26:04] >> Is investing. We are

[26:06] providing matching funds to

[26:08] that program and that allows

[26:09] us to monitor and provide some

[26:13] oversight.

[26:13] >> You know what I think about

[26:14] like military operations or

[26:15] anything like that. The number

[26:19] one thing I can turn my feow

[26:19] COUNCILMAN Right here is to

[26:20] know your enemy. I mean, if

[26:22] you do, they do incredible.

[26:27] Amount of funding goes into

[26:28] research done, identifying all

[26:30] the different gaps and this

[26:34] and concerns in this not. We

[26:35] need to be investing in that

[26:36] data data is really important

[26:38] when it comes to operational

[26:39] type things. When you're

[26:42] taking on a large challenge.

[26:44] And I think that that is a

[26:46] very critical issues. So where

[26:46] did I think that will be a

[26:48] lively discussion? We get the

[26:49] budget. Thank Yeah, thank you.

[26:50] And I do want to point out

[26:52] that are senior analyst is

[26:53] retired Army Ranger. He often

[26:56] brings military metaphors.

[26:56] >> 2

[27:00] >> sake, island. I mean,

[27:01] points out there, but he's

[27:02] teaching us all sorts of

[27:02] military concepts in our

[27:04] approach.

[27:08] >> Let's Okay. The activities

[27:14] ahead of us include. Community

[27:15] resource map and its hosting a

[27:17] behavioral health summit to

[27:18] bring folks together around

[27:19] the behavioral health issues.

[27:19] We don't know the details of

[27:20] that yet. We know that there's

[27:25] a need to convene folks

[27:25] improved shelter in crisis

[27:26] response for individuals with

[27:30] deeper needs. Continued work

[27:33] on medical respite and

[27:34] advancing the support of an

[27:36] extremely low income housing

[27:38] strategies in our home.

[27:39] Housing needs assessment. We

[27:41] identified the 30% of the

[27:41] housing need in our community

[27:42] is for people earning 30%

[27:46] area. Median income or less.

[27:48] So that will need strategy is

[27:52] to so that gap. And by 2028,

[27:54] we expect to complete over 90%

[27:54] of the plan and align it with

[27:58] regional planning. Regional

[27:59] planning. We do with our Pikes

[28:02] peak continuum of care. And,

[28:03] you know, let's just be

[28:05] honest, no plan accounts for

[28:07] all the variables when it's

[28:08] created. So recalibration will

[28:11] keep actions aligned with our

[28:12] real-world needs. But the goal

[28:15] here is to develop a system

[28:16] that is continually improving

[28:17] in to build that into the

[28:17] culture of the work that we

[28:24] do. And finally, and this gets

[28:25] more to your question.

[28:27] COUNCILMAN Line Weber. I

[28:30] really like to recognize City

[28:32] council as a key partner in

[28:35] this work and your decisions

[28:36] shape. The response. It shapes

[28:38] through laws and through the

[28:39] approval of funding. You

[28:39] approve the plans we bring

[28:44] forward. You regulate land,

[28:46] use and you bring leadership

[28:46] to a variety of committees.

[28:50] And I want to thank all of you

[28:53] have participated or ask

[28:55] questions are engaged in this

[28:56] issue. It's very, very

[28:58] critical that we have whole of

[29:02] city response that involves

[29:04] our administration and our

[29:08] city council and to support

[29:08] ongoing transparency and

[29:09] public confidence. The

[29:12] homeless. This response team

[29:15] plans to provide quarterly

[29:16] updates to city Council and

[29:16] produce an annual report.

[29:18] Public report tracking

[29:22] progress and challenges and

[29:23] ultimately our success will be

[29:24] measured, not by the number of

[29:26] initiatives that we launched,

[29:27] but by actual reductions and

[29:28] unsheltered homelessness,

[29:30] faster exits from homelessness

[29:33] to stable housing, improved

[29:35] health and employment outcomes

[29:37] and a more coordinated city

[29:39] response. And we're committed

[29:40] to this work alongside the

[29:42] providers and and many in this

[29:44] audience today. Our partners,

[29:45] our residents and volunteers,

[29:46] some of whom are here today

[29:51] funders. And of course, you so

[29:52] thank There are 2 slides here

[29:52] at the end of this that we're

[29:55] in year and next about

[29:56] enforcement. If there are

[29:56] questions about enforcement

[29:59] and of those come up right

[30:00] now, I do have a question from

[30:03] council Hinch and have a thank

[30:05] Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT and

[30:05] Amy, thank you so much for

[30:07] being here this morning. I do

[30:07] have a couple questions. But

[30:10] before I get to those.

[30:12] >> I want to say I hear really

[30:14] loud and clear what you're

[30:14] saying about the importance of

[30:18] strong system management. I

[30:20] want to actually personally

[30:24] credit you. And your work in

[30:25] this role for the last couple

[30:26] of years since you or is it 2

[30:29] or 3? Now? I I was on your

[30:33] interview team I really credit

[30:37] you in influencing what is now

[30:40] 15 different departments that

[30:42] are listed as collaborating

[30:43] together. And I would

[30:44] challenge a word that you use,

[30:47] which is it's not buy in what

[30:48] you're doing. What I've

[30:49] watched you do is to create a

[30:52] sense of ownership in the city

[30:54] and with the departments and

[30:54] we have many of them here

[30:58] today. Demonstrating the

[30:59] advances. I think you're

[31:04] making. In in how the city

[31:06] approaches such a complex,

[31:07] significant challenge of which

[31:10] we have. Very specific things

[31:12] that we can do and we can't do

[31:15] the entire thing. So I just

[31:16] really I really want to thank

[31:20] you for your leadership. In

[31:22] that. You just deserve to

[31:22] really be noticed and

[31:23] appreciated for what you're

[31:30] doing. Have a question about

[31:34] where things are at with the

[31:38] you know, this body ago or so.

[31:41] An ordinance making it illegal

[31:45] sleep in your car at night. If

[31:46] you are homeless. And I'm just

[31:48] wondering if you can speak a

[31:50] little bit to where that's

[31:53] what kinds of solutions I know

[31:57] part of input from many people

[31:59] who came to testify in support

[32:02] of that ordinance who said we

[32:05] support this because this is

[32:06] creating challenges in our

[32:06] neighborhood. However, we are

[32:07] looking for and want

[32:11] compassionate response is to

[32:12] where these folks can be,

[32:15] especially the families. And

[32:16] my understanding is that

[32:17] family promise has been

[32:18] working on something. But if

[32:19] you could just give us a

[32:22] little bit of an update around

[32:23] efforts on that matter, and

[32:23] then I have a couple of other

[32:27] questions. Please.

[32:28] >> Thank you. Yes, family

[32:30] promise has been most actively

[32:32] working on creating a safe

[32:33] parking program for families

[32:37] with children and and it is

[32:37] actually very challenging to

[32:41] create a self, a safe parking

[32:43] program they originally

[32:43] created program with chilled

[32:46] are with churches really

[32:48] leaning into religious land.

[32:49] Use up because of some of the

[32:51] zoning issues with creating

[32:53] safe parking program and what

[32:55] they found was that it's very

[33:00] difficult to insure. And that

[33:01] is to get liability insurance

[33:05] on on on these properties.

[33:08] It's that would that would

[33:08] require either.

[33:09] >> Fully securing the

[33:12] facility, fencing, for

[33:13] example, we're providing 24

[33:16] and get that.

[33:17] >> I don't say security of the

[33:18] entire time people they're

[33:21] they're not there. 24 7, but

[33:22] they would have to have

[33:25] on-site security. And that's a

[33:26] very expensive. And so they're

[33:31] looking at other models, there

[33:32] are there are challenges with

[33:36] that.

[33:36] >> Primarily the money, in

[33:39] other cities, do have

[33:41] solutions, right? It sounds

[33:41] like they're looking at them.

[33:43] But how much of it is?

[33:47] Funding? How much of it is,

[33:49] you know, our own our own

[33:49] ordinances and requirements

[33:53] around zoning and so forth.

[33:54] >> Some of it is owning

[33:57] related and I can. Yeah. Look

[34:00] over Kevin Walker who we have

[34:01] worked very closely with

[34:03] family promise. Are planners

[34:05] have to try and go through

[34:06] what the zoning requirements

[34:10] are and notice, cetera,

[34:13] >> there are areas where Human

[34:14] Service facility is a

[34:20] permitted use

[34:20] >> has to be the Occupy. The

[34:25] occupancy has to be aligns

[34:26] with that.

[34:26] >> So there are some

[34:30] challenges But a lot of the

[34:32] challenges is financial. I

[34:35] mean, there's a big cost to

[34:38] providing insurance security

[34:39] to ensuring that there are

[34:40] restrooms and facilities

[34:44] available for people

[34:46] >> there is a neighborhood

[34:47] notification generally and

[34:49] getting neighbors to buy. And

[34:51] so I will say that watching

[34:51] Tim Close with family promise

[34:54] to this, all the.

[34:57] >> All the kudos to him for

[34:58] his persistence trying to

[34:59] figure out how to make this a

[35:01] reality for families with

[35:03] children. We have stepped in

[35:06] in our department to test that

[35:07] diversion program was Catholic

[35:11] Charities. We've provided a

[35:13] small contribution to Catholic

[35:13] charities so that when pd

[35:15] encounters a family with

[35:17] children that they can

[35:18] immediately refer them to

[35:20] Catholic Charities for up to 3

[35:21] night. Stay in a motel to get

[35:24] them out of their vehicle. And

[35:26] that assessment and case

[35:27] management to connect them to

[35:30] a better alternative. It's a

[35:30] very limits, very limited in

[35:31] scope, simply because it's

[35:34] limited in dollars. But it's

[35:35] our belief that if we can

[35:37] demonstrate that this is a

[35:39] successful model that we can

[35:40] find more funding for that.

[35:44] Great. Thank you for that. 2

[35:47] other questions has to do with

[35:48] I understand that Hope Cos who

[35:49] I believe is here in the

[35:50] chambers today.

[35:52] >> Is actually seeking to open

[35:56] yet another shelter. And I'm

[35:57] wondering if you can speak a

[35:59] little bit as to where that

[35:59] they are at with that process

[36:06] and why. Opening Hope Cos is

[36:07] important for our city and for

[36:08] folks are experiencing

[36:09] homelessness.

[36:10] >> They are here I will

[36:13] continue to look back to make

[36:14] sure I'm getting this correct.

[36:16] They are. This has been

[36:16] something that hope has been

[36:17] looking at for some time that

[36:19] currently operate in the

[36:21] winter. When we activate

[36:23] winter shelter at the

[36:23] sanctuary church. So they've

[36:27] operated for many years. There

[36:28] you know, we actively winter

[36:32] shelter at 19 degrees and 19

[36:33] degrees is not based on any

[36:35] human sort of physiology or,

[36:36] you know, people just get

[36:37] colder at 19 degrees. 19

[36:40] degrees was based on the

[36:41] resources we had available. So

[36:43] when you look at the history

[36:47] of like weather and a

[36:48] community, we've said we had x

[36:50] amount of dollars. It cost x

[36:51] amount of dollars per day to

[36:52] operate a shelter so we can

[36:54] operate about 60 days. What

[36:58] temperature is that? And that

[37:02] is how we decided on 19

[37:03] degrees. We see that but last

[37:06] year working with ppr, oem, we

[37:08] saw that 3. I believe 3 people

[37:11] died when the temperatures

[37:13] were higher, then 19 degrees.

[37:14] And so we have been looking

[37:15] hope has been looking at what

[37:18] is opportunity to provide just

[37:20] full winter shelter so that

[37:23] when it's cold between OCTOBER

[37:24] 15th in APRIL, 15th that

[37:26] there's a place for people to

[37:27] go. But that has now expanded

[37:31] into. Year-round shelter

[37:36] proposal and that is rooted in

[37:37] the the after action report

[37:38] for the winter shelter

[37:41] indicated a need for a full

[37:44] year full winter shelter. Our

[37:47] point in time, count

[37:48] identified that we did not

[37:49] have sufficient beds for the

[37:51] number of people counted on

[37:52] the night of the count. So

[37:57] we're short about 195

[37:58] year-round beds and there's

[37:59] also a need to sort of

[38:02] differentiate some of the

[38:03] populations hope often serves

[38:06] people who have needs. They do

[38:09] it through a peer base model

[38:14] and with some of the concerns

[38:15] with what we see on the

[38:15] streets, especially in

[38:19] downtown. We hear about very

[38:19] vocally. There is a need to

[38:20] provide a facility for folks

[38:24] who have deeper need. So that

[38:25] very high level of summary of

[38:26] what hope is trying to do. I

[38:30] think one of the really the

[38:33] after action report for our

[38:36] winter shelter. Some of the

[38:37] strengths were scored a

[38:40] nation. The safety at all of

[38:41] our facilities. And so this is

[38:45] a build on that. Well, so you

[38:46] mentioned that they prefer the

[38:48] sort of in a way serve a

[38:49] different aspect of the

[38:50] population and provide a

[38:54] broader set of choices.

[38:54] >> And I think that's really

[38:55] important. And we have all

[38:59] heard of the folks who, for

[39:00] whatever reason, they have

[39:01] many different reasons are not

[39:03] willing to stay at the Springs

[39:05] rescue mission who can't who

[39:06] have themselves. So we can't

[39:07] be the be all and end all for

[39:09] every single person

[39:10] experiencing homelessness.

[39:14] Could you dispel what i

[39:17] believe are some misstatements

[39:17] out there about Hope Cos

[39:18] allowing people to use while

[39:21] they're in the shelter. I

[39:22] understand that. That's not

[39:23] true. And it's if we could set

[39:26] the record straight about how

[39:27] how they differentiate

[39:28] themselves and what's true and

[39:32] what's not true.

[39:34] >> So the city of Coral

[39:35] Springs big Stick has a

[39:36] contract with Hope Cos to help

[39:37] fund some winter shelter

[39:39] operations. Some of that

[39:41] operation. And and so we do

[39:43] monitor and we do have

[39:45] requirements. I will say this

[39:46] that hopes the U.S. Has

[39:51] security. Bags are checked.

[39:51] Drugs and weapons are not

[39:55] allowed in the facility. Folks

[39:57] know that they're not bringing

[39:58] weapons and drugs into the

[40:03] facility are actively using

[40:04] they are hope in their peer

[40:06] support program requires that

[40:07] their employees are the peer

[40:10] support workers be at least 2

[40:10] years sober.

[40:14] >> They are leaders epic.

[40:17] >> Around how how recovery

[40:22] residences are administered

[40:23] >> and so no, they they don't

[40:24] allow. I think a lot of this

[40:24] stems from a really bad

[40:28] experience that happened a few

[40:32] years ago in partnership with

[40:32] the church.

[40:33] >> And was done in an

[40:36] emergency and folks have

[40:37] learned significantly.

[40:38] >> Since then about how to

[40:41] operate a facility safely. One

[40:45] of the one of the key it when

[40:45] we're evaluating one of the

[40:49] key factors in our ppr oem

[40:49] report.

[40:50] >> Is about safety. And that

[40:52] was one of the strengths that

[40:52] we identify. That's not all of

[40:53] the sites.

[40:57] >> We're very safe.

[40:58] >> Thank you. Last thing. And

[40:59] it might be a little bit more

[41:01] of a comment you MAY or MAY

[41:02] not be son. Your earlier

[41:03] statements about will will

[41:03] have a chance to get into

[41:09] budget later I did want say

[41:10] and I I don't know how many of

[41:12] my fellow council members have

[41:14] yet had a meeting with our cfo

[41:17] and chief of staff about the

[41:18] 2027 budget. But I I have and

[41:22] I recall seeing potential

[41:24] position for your office in

[41:27] there and I just am aware of

[41:29] again, if talked about need.

[41:29] There's a lot of stuff you do

[41:31] that you haven't talked about

[41:33] here. Things that you're

[41:35] responsible for it. But I just

[41:38] wanted say that I do hope

[41:39] given that homelessness and

[41:43] homeless response is. Probably

[41:44] at the very tippy top in the

[41:45] top 3 of things that are

[41:48] citizens care about and are

[41:50] concerned about that. We will

[41:51] consider giving you the

[41:52] support that you need for your

[41:53] office. And you're welcome to

[41:56] respond to that. If you.

[41:58] >> Thank you. Yeah, we did

[41:59] request you know, a number of

[42:00] departments have requested

[42:02] additional staff. We requested

[42:05] a dedicated position for

[42:06] homelessness operations. We

[42:07] had this position previously

[42:10] and lost it in the reduction

[42:11] in force. And it's just it's a

[42:14] key. It's a key position. It

[42:17] would allow us to open I you

[42:18] know, I'm currently using

[42:21] staff that could also be

[42:22] deploying some of these other

[42:22] dollars into the communityo

[42:25] do this work. So I think that

[42:27] it will make us more effective

[42:27] in our homelessness response

[42:30] ad and allow us to get more of

[42:31] our money out the door. More

[42:32] quickly on all of those other

[42:35] issues, housing and community

[42:35] development.

[42:36] >> Great. Thank you again in

[42:44] the very much.

[42:47] >> Did you have the 2 other

[42:48] sites are there just from

[42:49] their here? If anybody wanted

[42:51] to talk about enforcement, I

[42:53] added them because there had

[42:53] been some questions about it.

[42:55] So if council, would like to

[42:57] talk about the to enforcement

[43:02] slides. COUNCILMAN Donaldson.

[43:03] >> I was going to have some

[43:04] questions, but I would like to

[43:08] see those slides. Okay. Before

[43:11] >> I just some resources that

[43:12] the list of the common

[43:17] ordinances that we enforce.

[43:18] >> our municipal offenses and

[43:20] how those are handled. And we

[43:22] have members of the pd and

[43:25] city Chen tell is here with

[43:28] prosecution their questions.

[43:33] >> Then then, ma'am.

[43:35] Presidents have a few

[43:35] questions. Mean, when was it?

[43:39] We combined. Housing and

[43:41] homelessness. It wasn't way a

[43:44] few years ago, We how

[43:45] homelessness officer in that

[43:50] house and fell under.

[43:51] >> Yeah, you know, I'm not

[43:53] exactly it's been this way

[43:53] since I've been here in the

[43:54] second time previously. We did

[43:57] this work under I I was

[43:59] previously a community

[44:00] development manager.

[44:01] >> And what was your

[44:02] predecessors name? Forgot

[44:07] Steve Posey. And good housing.

[44:08] But then who was a do homes

[44:13] and the Phelps Phelps? Yeah.

[44:15] And what strikes me is when we

[44:16] put it together like pose.

[44:20] Yes, France. All right. Chief

[44:22] housing and homelessness

[44:23] response officer. It just

[44:24] seems like we think, you know

[44:26] what if we had if we can lower

[44:27] the price of housing than

[44:28] these people living on the

[44:29] streets would go away. And I

[44:31] don't think that will happen.

[44:35] Do you

[44:38] >> Faking mean? There is a a

[44:41] homelessness and housing are

[44:45] deeply related housing There's

[44:46] a struck. There is a

[44:47] structural problem in our

[44:48] community in terms of the

[44:50] availability of affordable

[44:51] housing.

[44:51] >> a certain percentage of

[44:54] people that we see on the

[44:55] street. So I guess we're

[44:57] talking about the un House.

[44:59] Homeless groups un have Begun

[45:00] Suisse com. A certain

[45:02] percentage MAY actually if we

[45:03] could simply get a lower cost

[45:05] housing unit for them, they

[45:07] would go back to work day.

[45:08] That's asking a lot. They

[45:12] would be ok. Aren't there

[45:13] other things that contribute

[45:13] to this other than simply the

[45:16] cost of housing?

[45:16] >> Yeah. Oh, absolutely. There

[45:20] are there's there's mental

[45:21] illness. There's drug

[45:24] addiction. There's trauma.

[45:25] There's

[45:26] >> employment and wages.

[45:28] There's a number of things

[45:28] that contribute.

[45:31] >> I think the challenge we

[45:32] have is that the majority of

[45:34] people who are experiencing

[45:37] homelessness in our community

[45:38] are not those people. You're

[45:39] talking about ask you this.

[45:42] The the majority that are.

[45:43] >> We have a lot of fancy

[45:44] words now weighs com big runs

[45:48] on house homeless. Would you

[45:48] say the majority of them

[45:49] either have drug addiction or

[45:50] mental health problems?

[45:53] >> I would say and there MAY

[45:57] be a nuance here.

[45:58] >> Council member and we might

[45:59] want to have different

[46:00] conversation about this. But

[46:01] what I would say is the

[46:03] majority of people who are

[46:04] considered unhoused are people

[46:05] who are living in shelters for

[46:06] people who are doubled up.

[46:08] Poor people who are couch

[46:09] surfing, people who are living

[46:12] in their vehicles. There are

[46:13] thousands of people on waiting

[46:16] lists for housing. So I think

[46:17] that we have different. We

[46:18] have to have different

[46:20] strategies for people with

[46:21] different needs and not is

[46:26] really the basis for this.

[46:27] >> For the

[46:28] >> Having real-time data and

[46:30] case conferencing. And yes, I

[46:31] cannot say that there are not

[46:32] folks out there who are. You

[46:36] that? The answer is not just

[46:37] to put them into a home and

[46:40] let them be. That is not the

[46:43] answer. But the answers are

[46:46] very individual lives.

[46:48] >> And I don't think you said

[46:49] I cannot say that there are

[46:50] people out there like this is

[46:54] if it's a few, I think it's a

[46:55] whole bunch of the ones that

[46:56] are on the street and the

[46:57] parks and on the creek. It's a

[46:58] whole bunch of them.

[47:03] >> And lowering. Just strikes

[47:05] me that when we have your

[47:05] position is running housing

[47:08] and also doing homelessness.

[47:12] >> That is and it's not all I

[47:13] think it would be better

[47:14] split. The 2 positions out

[47:16] into again have a homelessness

[47:17] response person. That's what

[47:18] they do. And that's all they

[47:19] do. And they focus on this

[47:24] other stuff, too, because it's

[47:26] sort of the create creates

[47:28] this idea that, well, you

[47:29] know, if we just had less

[47:30] expensive housing, this

[47:31] problem be over, I don't think

[47:33] that's even close to true. And

[47:36] when we when we shut down

[47:39] state inpatient, mental health

[47:39] institutions that created a

[47:41] bunch people who can survive

[47:42] on their own no matter what

[47:43] the cost of housing is. And

[47:47] when we legalize marijuana and

[47:49] drugs became more prevalent

[47:50] throughout our society. More

[47:50] people got addicted to

[47:52] different kinds of drugs and

[47:53] it doesn't matter what the

[47:54] cost of housing is. That's a

[47:57] that's its own problem. And if

[47:58] you're going we're going to

[47:59] focus on homelessness. We

[48:01] really need to focus on where

[48:06] do with the these people.

[48:08] >> sorry. I just want you get

[48:09] your view on that. Do you

[48:10] think that your position will

[48:14] be better?

[48:15] >> Splitting the 2 again as it

[48:15] used to be when I came on

[48:18] council is that way?

[48:20] >> I think my position is

[48:21] titled Because of the Way the

[48:23] Housing and Homelessness

[48:27] Response Department is titled

[48:29] What We're asking for is a

[48:29] homeless operations

[48:30] Cordinator, which was the

[48:33] position that was doing the

[48:34] coordination work. It came

[48:35] under housing and

[48:36] homelessness. Response area me

[48:37] that we had a separate

[48:41] position doing that. My job

[48:42] has been largely to oversee

[48:45] all of those those resources

[48:48] that being deployed and help

[48:50] set the strategy for how we

[48:51] get dollars into the community

[48:53] to address community issues.

[48:57] My job has never been entirely

[48:59] homelessness response. And I

[49:01] think that is a

[49:03] misunderstanding. Phelps job

[49:04] was that and I think we need

[49:05] someone with Andy Phelps job

[49:06] again, just focusing on

[49:08] homelessness nothing else.

[49:10] >> That 100%. And that is what

[49:12] we're requesting. That is what

[49:13] we've requested. And we it

[49:14] also need to, I think, stopped

[49:19] the misinformation. And this

[49:21] is just it's just cost of

[49:22] housing problem. If we could

[49:23] just get housing costs, lower

[49:25] everything. Be ok? I think

[49:28] that's just not true. Even the

[49:29] title of your position

[49:32] confuses it. Yeah, want one or

[49:37] 2 more questions. You know,

[49:38] the mayor had his press

[49:40] conference and he rolled out

[49:40] the homeless response team and

[49:42] I don't know who the lady was,

[49:43] but there was someone off

[49:46] camera who asked inconvenient

[49:47] question, well, haven't you

[49:48] been doing this like for the

[49:49] last couple of years? And what

[49:50] was the answer to that

[49:54] question?

[49:55] >> Yeah, I mean, we have been

[49:55] meeting our departments have

[49:57] been convening for a couple of

[49:59] years. It's just a new

[50:00] direction in setting a tone

[50:01] that we are all working

[50:03] together and it gets to your

[50:03] point about homelessness is

[50:05] not just a housing problem.

[50:11] Homelessness is a problem with

[50:11] criminal activity put

[50:12] homelessness a met, a health

[50:14] and behavioral health problem.

[50:18] Homelessness does create trash

[50:19] and then so it's a cleanup

[50:21] program. A problem right?

[50:22] There are a variety of

[50:23] problems. No single position.

[50:28] Even if we have position

[50:29] dedicated to homelessness

[50:30] response. We require all of

[50:32] that expertise to come to the

[50:35] table to identify what those

[50:35] needs are. But we've really

[50:37] been doing this for several

[50:39] years, right? All these groups

[50:40] have been meeting and trying

[50:41] figure out the best way to

[50:45] coordinate.

[50:46] >> We have been meeting to

[50:46] community, if you think of and

[50:48] I don't want to get really

[50:49] nerdy here. But if you think

[50:51] of a call us a spectrum of

[50:53] collaboration, we've done a

[50:54] good job of communicating and

[50:55] talking about some of the

[50:57] shared issues but not setting.

[51:01] >> Our a r.

[51:02] >> Aligning our performance

[51:04] aligning are planning in a

[51:06] meaningful Well, I remembered

[51:09] so watch conference. A press

[51:10] conference and then woman,

[51:11] whoever she was. So what's

[51:11] really going to change? And

[51:15] then the mayor? Wasn't really

[51:16] sure. So we asked you and your

[51:19] example as well. We could when

[51:21] we do try to one of these big

[51:22] campsites we could before the

[51:26] police come, we could have

[51:27] like the social workers come

[51:29] the day before and tell them

[51:29] what's going to happen. So if

[51:35] they want to. You know,

[51:35] received services, they can

[51:36] you can do that. First.

[51:40] Remember that?

[51:44] >> I do remember that

[51:46] encampment, closure strategy

[51:46] Oklahoma City, for example,

[51:49] just in our we had a fellow

[51:50] here spent the summer with us

[51:52] who's now with Oklahoma City

[51:54] and they go out and they just

[51:56] cleared a camp meant. 75 folks

[51:59] put 55 directly into housing

[52:00] 20 Aaron Case management folks

[52:02] have case management for a

[52:03] year and they are permanently

[52:09] closing the site. So those are

[52:10] strategies. Example of that

[52:11] strategy about this. Because

[52:11] what I always notice on the

[52:14] news when we do this, we

[52:17] >> sweep a campsite always the

[52:18] big ones is several people get

[52:21] arrested. Felons get arrested.

[52:22] >> Actually more than more

[52:25] than a couple. So if the

[52:26] social workers go the day

[52:27] before and tell them, you know

[52:27] what, tomorrow police are

[52:30] going to be here. It seems to

[52:30] me the real h#

[52:31] #

[52:31] criminals

[52:33] that are in their will pack up

[52:35] and move on, right? Right

[52:37] there. And so will MISS That

[52:40] opportunity to take felons off

[52:43] the off the street. It's so to

[52:44] me, if that was the best

[52:47] example we had, that was an

[52:48] odd example of what would be

[52:50] better. And then just to go

[52:51] back to it because you said

[52:52] this earlier is will close

[52:56] these champs permanently. How

[52:57] how does that really work when

[52:58] sweep by an area on a creek

[53:01] and then we actually clean it

[53:02] up. We get all the garbage

[53:04] out, all the tents and all the

[53:05] c#

[53:05] #

[53:05] that's accumulated there.

[53:08] How do we permanently closed?

[53:09] >> Well, you can permit closed

[53:12] things through activation

[53:12] through fencing through a

[53:13] hostile architecture. There's

[53:15] a number of things that you

[53:17] can do. I don't have does not

[53:18] sense it or or put up hostile.

[53:20] It does it.

[53:23] >> There are a variety of ways

[53:26] to do this. I do not have the

[53:28] planet is an example of what

[53:30] communities do to try and keep

[53:30] from moving folks around. I

[53:33] think our own team are

[53:34] homeless. U.S. Response team

[53:40] has expressed the concern that

[53:40] enforcement without that

[53:43] making the meaningful

[53:44] connection just moves people

[53:44] to other places. And we see

[53:47] folks circulating in the city

[53:48] and somebody in our within the

[53:51] city described it halves of

[53:52] destruction that get complete,

[53:55] that get created because

[53:55] people know that we are a

[53:58] community that enforces and so

[53:59] they will just pick up and

[54:01] leave when that when a campus

[54:04] side so we can look at other

[54:06] best. This bringing that up

[54:08] our entire all of our

[54:09] departments together to figure

[54:11] out how do we solve this

[54:14] problem? How do we solve the

[54:15] problem? And that I don't have

[54:18] the planet. Is it? This is a

[54:19] plan that would need to be

[54:21] created by this team. But it

[54:22] is an example of what cities

[54:28] do. It is an example.

[54:28] >> My impression from that

[54:30] press conference was that

[54:30] essentially this has been

[54:32] happening for the last couple

[54:34] years. The mayor, the mayor

[54:34] himself so well, we'll just

[54:35] make it more formal now, as we

[54:38] said, he said, will it's

[54:40] official now. So to me, it was

[54:41] a pr stunt is will come out

[54:45] and will announce this. We'll

[54:45] call will give it a name and

[54:46] we'll just we'll do what we've

[54:48] been doing and disappointing

[54:51] for me. He just didn't seem

[54:52] like there is anything new

[54:56] there. And if we're going to

[54:57] say like we're going to

[54:59] permanently close the sites.

[55:00] Tell me, you know, tell me how

[55:01] you're going to do that. And I

[55:04] don't. I don't think you

[55:06] really can. Unless it's

[55:07] underneath the bridge, a new

[55:08] fence it off or put rocks

[55:10] under there. But that's not

[55:12] where the big campsites are

[55:13] anyway there in the trees

[55:22] along the creek. So I think I

[55:23] think things are being

[55:25] suggested will be able to do

[55:26] these things. And you really

[55:27] won't be able to do those

[55:28] things. You're not gonna be

[55:30] able to close down the creek

[55:31] beds. We're going to have to

[55:34] have a level of enforcement

[55:36] that as soon as begins, it is

[55:39] it is stopped.

[55:41] >> I have ideas on that. But

[55:43] I'm not going to go. Dry

[55:47] tonight. Believe time.

[55:48] >> enforcement is key

[55:51] component of that. As we have

[55:53] created urban trail Ranger

[55:54] programs and given the

[55:56] authority post and those sorts

[55:57] of things.

[55:58] >> But again, we don't solve

[55:59] these problems if we're not

[56:03] solving them together. If if

[56:05] one department.

[56:06] >> I think that what I heard

[56:07] is that we've been working

[56:09] together for 2 years. That and

[56:11] the mayor, I heard him say all

[56:12] this. He came into office. He

[56:15] said, hey, do we meet

[56:16] together? And then people

[56:17] said, well, we can do that.

[56:18] And then we started doing a

[56:19] pretty early on in his 4

[56:21] years, which would make sense.

[56:22] You shouldn't wait till 3 and

[56:24] a half years to asked that

[56:27] question. And so now we give

[56:28] it an official title. We call

[56:31] it the whatever it's called.

[56:33] But we have essentially

[56:33] continue to do what we've been

[56:37] doing. It and some things have

[56:37] change of only got one more

[56:38] quick the final thing I'd like

[56:40] to hear about is. And I guess

[56:42] this would be from pd is how?

[56:46] >> Or

[56:46] >> prosecutors.

[56:50] >> When when we passed the you

[56:50] can't live in your car

[56:54] ordinance in our city. We were

[56:55] warned that we were going to

[56:56] cause the overflowing of our

[57:00] of our jail. Mothers and

[57:02] children would now be

[57:03] wandering the streets because

[57:05] kick them out of the we heard

[57:07] about this. So I'd like to

[57:08] hear a little about the

[57:10] enforcement. How many actual

[57:11] times that citations been

[57:12] written. Things like that.

[57:16] Thank you.

[57:17] >> Good morning, ladies and

[57:17] gentlemen of right, Ted Lilly,

[57:20] 10 of our homeless operations

[57:21] team. That law went into

[57:22] effect. I believe it was MARCH

[57:24] 24th through 26th of this

[57:26] year. And so we've been in

[57:27] effect enforcing that for the

[57:30] last 5 months. The numbers

[57:31] that we have so far, the

[57:32] number of vehicle camps that

[57:35] we have contacted his 335 5

[57:35] and a half months in the

[57:39] number of people cited is 28

[57:40] it's a very anecdotal took of

[57:41] my team to say, hey, how many

[57:45] of those people have been

[57:46] families with young kids? None

[57:48] of them happened. Usually been

[57:50] single adults. We have some

[57:52] that are multiple offenders

[57:53] and that for us as we

[57:54] individual, we contacted the

[57:55] second. We contact him in his

[57:55] vehicle. He jumps out in the

[57:59] fight is on. And so it's not

[57:59] that we're contacting families

[58:02] with young kids all the time.

[58:03] It's rarely even with that

[58:04] officers still have discretion

[58:06] on whether or not they want to

[58:07] say and individual, depending

[58:08] on the circumstances that they

[58:13] come into.

[58:13] >> And is that lieutenant to

[58:16] please that ordinance been

[58:17] useful when you go to a

[58:17] neighborhood on that

[58:18] complaint, which you're

[58:20] receiving before that

[58:21] someone's living in front of

[58:24] my house or next to the park.

[58:26] Is this ordinance useful and

[58:27] in addressing that and

[58:28] bringing a sense of order back

[58:30] to the neighborhood?

[58:31] >> Yes, we've I've gotten

[58:34] specific feedback directly

[58:36] from citizens whenhey've

[58:36] placed ago Cos complaints or

[58:38] requests are called us

[58:40] directly asking for that

[58:40] enforcement piece for us to go

[58:41] out and initially contact

[58:43] those individuals. First, the

[58:44] law requires that we give a

[58:45] warning to them first before

[58:49] they can be cited at least

[58:49] once. And so that warning

[58:50] usually helps. And then the

[58:51] leave that area and we don't

[58:53] hear from them again.

[58:55] >> And the goal, I'll speak

[58:56] for myself on that was to this

[58:59] needs to be like. Carrots and

[59:02] sticks like we want you to

[59:03] come and receive help in

[59:04] getting out of this situation

[59:08] that you find yourself in. If

[59:10] you don't, we're not going

[59:11] allow you to live in your car.

[59:13] You're going to get cited. You

[59:14] could even potentially,

[59:15] although unlikely get sent to

[59:17] jail for 10 days.

[59:22] >> Has has it. You MAY not

[59:24] know this but firsthand, but

[59:25] has it been useful in getting

[59:30] people out of the cars

[59:31] >> into

[59:32] >> Some kind of a living

[59:32] situation is different.

[59:34] Whether it's Springs rescue

[59:35] mission, Catholic Charities,

[59:38] whatever it is.

[59:40] >> I don't have that data.

[59:42] It's a serving release ticket.

[59:42] Always. So any time we come

[59:44] into contact with somebody,

[59:45] it's a server least ticket

[59:46] like somebody would get on a

[59:48] traffic stop. And then we go

[59:49] on our way on to the next

[59:49] thing. So we're not conducting

[59:51] follow-up with that individual

[59:53] later. We do offer outreach

[59:55] resources to individuals were

[59:55] in contact with them. Whether

[59:57] or not they take advantage of

[59:58] those is up to them. We can't

[1:00:00] force that issue, but we do

[1:00:03] offer those resources contact

[1:00:04] with them.

[1:00:05] >> Has there only been the one

[1:00:05] that you mentioned? It's been

[1:00:08] cited more than once.

[1:00:10] >> believe so. I know of one

[1:00:11] for sure that we cited

[1:00:13] multiple times.

[1:00:17] >> And I don't know if

[1:00:18] attorneys office would have

[1:00:19] any anything you could add.

[1:00:23] >> Just about if.

[1:00:24] >> We were also warned this

[1:00:24] would be overwhelmed the court

[1:00:28] system.

[1:00:30] >> It would be too much if we

[1:00:31] tried this. The continuing

[1:00:34] over on the court system. How

[1:00:34] is that?

[1:00:35] >> Worked Good Morning Council

[1:00:38] Chantal Withrow Division chief

[1:00:39] for prosecution,

[1:00:40] unfortunately, are still a

[1:00:42] little early in the data

[1:00:42] because after pd issues, a

[1:00:43] citation is about a month away

[1:00:45] before the coming to court. We

[1:00:46] have to offer the ability to

[1:00:47] get attorneys, that kind of

[1:00:50] thing. So I can't say much

[1:00:51] about the results of these

[1:00:52] cases, but it has not been a

[1:00:54] significant number that is

[1:00:54] overpowered the ability of us

[1:00:57] to do our job.

[1:00:58] >> Location tell. Thank you.

[1:00:59] Again, it's always important

[1:01:02] to say this every time

[1:01:03] confiscation of the vehicle is

[1:01:05] not a part of the ordinance.

[1:01:05] Correct?

[1:01:06] >> No, it would have to

[1:01:08] violate some other or or some

[1:01:09] other provision of law.

[1:01:15] >> Okay. Ok, thank That's it

[1:01:16] for me. MADAM PRESIDENT, thank

[1:01:21] you, COUNCILMAN. My number.

[1:01:21] >> a trying put some numbers

[1:01:25] to all this to kind of help

[1:01:25] people kind of understand this

[1:01:26] housing piece a little bit. So

[1:01:29] if someone unable to work,

[1:01:29] okay, that last job, whatever

[1:01:34] it might be and they start

[1:01:35] applying for funds. I'm going

[1:01:36] throw a number like the $1240

[1:01:40] is what they can get a month.

[1:01:41] From somebody in the average

[1:01:45] cost of like a one bedroom

[1:01:47] home. A one-bedroom apartment

[1:01:48] is probably around that

[1:01:50] amount. So that doesn't leave

[1:01:52] any money for food, medical

[1:01:54] expenses or anything else.

[1:01:58] there seems to be. There are

[1:01:59] other programs they can. They

[1:02:03] can apply for a list of other

[1:02:05] programs. Stapp, for example,

[1:02:06] leaking they can go there's

[1:02:09] some disability act stuff.

[1:02:16] Medicaid, of course s I d I

[1:02:17] which I wasn't familiar with

[1:02:18] that. Something that's just

[1:02:22] just realized. And then ssi.

[1:02:25] So and with those. It's

[1:02:29] complicated. Yeah. And so one

[1:02:32] of my questions is, do we have

[1:02:33] enough caseworkers who are

[1:02:39] trained? With sore? What I

[1:02:40] understand that that's kind of

[1:02:41] a combination of those

[1:02:42] understandings of those

[1:02:43] different things. Do have

[1:02:44] enough of those in our county

[1:02:46] right now.

[1:02:48] >> You notice or has been a a

[1:02:50] blitzer. But the best practice

[1:02:53] program.

[1:02:55] >> At No, I think one of the

[1:02:56] things that providers have

[1:02:59] said to us in our convening Ys

[1:03:05] is that? 3 of the 3 top

[1:03:05] priorities that came out of a

[1:03:09] convening where data we don't

[1:03:10] have adequate data to solve

[1:03:11] the problem. We don't know

[1:03:12] what's working and what's not

[1:03:16] working at a system level.

[1:03:17] >> don't have system

[1:03:20] leadership. So somebody who's

[1:03:21] actually

[1:03:23] >> leading we have tackle that

[1:03:23] with our continuum of care. In

[1:03:27] fact, I think this city work

[1:03:27] to talk about the data and the

[1:03:28] system leadership with our

[1:03:29] partnership with the Pikes

[1:03:30] Peak United Way. And the 3rd

[1:03:34] one was case management.

[1:03:35] They're just did not. There's

[1:03:36] not sufficient resources to

[1:03:38] provide case management to

[1:03:39] support the pop. The number of

[1:03:40] people experiencing

[1:03:42] homelessness in our community.

[1:03:43] So I mean, I would have to go

[1:03:46] back. I don't have a list of

[1:03:47] how many sore trained case

[1:03:49] workers there are in our

[1:03:50] community. But so is has been

[1:03:54] a best practice to help people

[1:03:55] navigate the systems which are

[1:03:56] really complex. It's not about

[1:03:57] just going out an application,

[1:03:58] those applications take.

[1:04:01] >> Multiple if to fill them

[1:04:03] out multiple before you

[1:04:06] successful.

[1:04:08] >> On top of that, what

[1:04:12] they're possibility of housing

[1:04:12] vouchers. But we've had

[1:04:13] housing vouchers for helping

[1:04:15] cut correctly and soul. Now

[1:04:19] they're harder to get. And so

[1:04:22] a lot of individuals that MAY

[1:04:23] be have been dependent upon

[1:04:24] those housing vouchers to help

[1:04:25] fill that gap because I just

[1:04:26] pointed it out. If they can

[1:04:30] get 1000, what are they safe

[1:04:35] 1000

[1:04:35] >> Yet yeah. They're just

[1:04:39] there are $290. That's rent.

[1:04:45] >> There About 3,003 1000

[1:04:46] people just under 3,000,

[1:04:47] people on the waitlist for

[1:04:50] housing choice vouchers in our

[1:04:50] community, which is what many

[1:04:51] think folks with. No, it's

[1:04:55] actually.

[1:04:56] >> There are over 400 people

[1:04:59] on our coordinated entry

[1:05:00] waiting list who are people

[1:05:00] who are experiencing

[1:05:02] homelessness, who are actively

[1:05:03] seeking housing. So there's

[1:05:06] over 400 people on that list

[1:05:07] and the kids confidence to a

[1:05:11] handful of units every month.

[1:05:14] The housing need in our Again,

[1:05:17] 30% of the gap is for folks

[1:05:18] earning 30% of the area,

[1:05:21] median income or less.

[1:05:26] >> And so it is housing. It is

[1:05:31] a challenge in our community.

[1:05:33] >> It's complicated. All

[1:05:34] right. I mean, any of us

[1:05:37] anyone in this room? That

[1:05:38] might be in that situation

[1:05:41] would have to go pretty

[1:05:42] extensive filling out for this

[1:05:43] is what homeless people are

[1:05:44] doing every single day. And

[1:05:44] they did. So they just do it

[1:05:46] on their computer. Always But

[1:05:50] they go to a library right? So

[1:05:50] they could access a library to

[1:05:53] get some help. There. And and

[1:05:58] so but it's still they have to

[1:06:00] figure out how to do this. And

[1:06:01] if they're not holding down a

[1:06:04] job and they don't have.

[1:06:04] There's some challenges with

[1:06:08] all of that. Okay. That leads

[1:06:10] me into the next question. And

[1:06:12] this is where I want to send.

[1:06:15] Send. Tell back up

[1:06:23] So we cite people for illegal

[1:06:24] camp things because we don't

[1:06:28] have a lot of other choices.

[1:06:29] We can't just tell someone to

[1:06:32] move on. We have to say it's

[1:06:34] illegal. You can't camp here.

[1:06:35] And then when they don't move

[1:06:38] on. Our only response is a

[1:06:42] citation. Mostly Campion

[1:06:44] citations that we have are not

[1:06:46] jail bull offenses, though

[1:06:48] they're usually finds. Is that

[1:06:49] correct?

[1:06:50] >> So it does have a maximum

[1:06:52] potential penalty of up to 10

[1:06:55] days in jail or $2500 fine.

[1:06:56] That is the absolute maximum.

[1:06:57] Not something that we see

[1:06:59] regular regularly, though.

[1:06:59] >> So there is a component

[1:07:01] with camping, but that's

[1:07:05] probably not something da. It

[1:07:07] would to sell for first

[1:07:08] something along those lines,

[1:07:09] right? What will get give us a

[1:07:10] picture of what that looks

[1:07:12] like. I want to understand

[1:07:13] like what what are they

[1:07:14] dealing with when they get

[1:07:14] this can't be a violation

[1:07:18] ticket. What are likely going

[1:07:20] to get?

[1:07:20] >> Right. And really depends.

[1:07:21] And I know I hate canceling.

[1:07:22] That is a lawyer because we

[1:07:24] say it all the time. But it

[1:07:26] depends a lot on the actual

[1:07:27] fence itself. Whether or not

[1:07:29] you're on private property,

[1:07:30] public property, but received

[1:07:34] one citation or 15, whether

[1:07:35] you have a criminal history

[1:07:36] that includes other things

[1:07:39] that makes it more of an

[1:07:40] aggravated case. So we look at

[1:07:40] all of the factors together

[1:07:44] before we come up with

[1:07:45] >> we do have our fire

[1:07:47] department partners that work

[1:07:48] with us as well. So if there's

[1:07:49] somebody that's willing to

[1:07:51] accept resources, sometimes we

[1:07:52] do what's called a diversion

[1:07:54] or positive case, give them an

[1:07:55] opportunity to.

[1:07:56] >> Kind of put their there

[1:07:59] actions to their words.

[1:08:00] >> And so we can decide to

[1:08:01] dismiss cases of people are

[1:08:03] actively working with our

[1:08:04] resources.

[1:08:05] >> But sometimes it does come

[1:08:06] down to jail. And it just

[1:08:09] depends on all that right? If

[1:08:10] actors.

[1:08:11] >> So this is where it becomes

[1:08:16] a problem for there's lots of

[1:08:17] these individuals that have a

[1:08:24] cute. Drug addiction behavior,

[1:08:24] health, mental illness, and et

[1:08:30] cetera. How are they going to

[1:08:31] fill out the forms and

[1:08:31] everything to get the income

[1:08:34] in order to get housing? How

[1:08:35] are they going to navigate the

[1:08:39] system? Is there a place for

[1:08:42] people who are not capable of

[1:08:44] doing it the way that we have

[1:08:50] set They end up just given up

[1:08:51] because they they don't know

[1:08:52] how to feel. They don't know

[1:08:54] how access some of these

[1:08:56] resources. And so they just

[1:08:57] continually get citations and

[1:09:00] get sent to you over and over.

[1:09:02] I mean, I've seen one

[1:09:03] individual that had over 200

[1:09:07] citations and he's still on

[1:09:08] the street. So there's we seem

[1:09:11] to be we have this one issue

[1:09:12] where if they're not capable

[1:09:15] of taking care of themselves.

[1:09:18] How do you respond to that?

[1:09:19] >> And you put up on the most

[1:09:22] complicated part of my job.

[1:09:23] They're different legal

[1:09:24] standards as well. So if

[1:09:26] you're not competent mean, you

[1:09:28] can't understand yourself the

[1:09:30] ability to understand the

[1:09:30] system and a sister defense

[1:09:33] attorney in in your case that

[1:09:33] we can't prosecute you. So it

[1:09:37] goes to a different world.

[1:09:39] There's another to take care

[1:09:40] of yourself and not be a

[1:09:41] danger to yourself or others

[1:09:42] to be commitd Sibley, which

[1:09:45] is a very high standard to

[1:09:46] meet. And there's a standard

[1:09:48] of people that you just stated

[1:09:49] that just can't get together

[1:09:49] enough to fill out the forms

[1:09:53] or don't understand them as

[1:09:54] the court we do have or show

[1:09:57] or show up at court for

[1:09:58] Correct.

[1:09:58] >> So we do have the ability

[1:09:59] to have a court appointed

[1:10:00] attorneys appointed to some of

[1:10:03] these cases that can assist.

[1:10:04] >> We do have our fire

[1:10:06] partners that can help people

[1:10:06] in as long as people are

[1:10:07] willing to sit there and work

[1:10:10] with them. A lot of the hard

[1:10:11] work calls upon them to do the

[1:10:13] actual paperwork and that kind

[1:10:14] of stuff. But you have hit

[1:10:15] upon one of the biggest

[1:10:17] problems we have with repeat

[1:10:21] offenders is how to make that

[1:10:21] behavior change and whether or

[1:10:22] not they're capable of doing

[1:10:24] it sometimes is a challenge.

[1:10:26] >> Because of trying like

[1:10:28] what's what's the motivation

[1:10:29] when they just don't

[1:10:30] understand or can't figure out

[1:10:33] how to fill out the forms

[1:10:34] right? That's where it gets

[1:10:37] kind of problematic. And

[1:10:39] that's where your job becomes

[1:10:40] really difficult because

[1:10:42] you're trying to deal with an

[1:10:43] individual that is violated

[1:10:46] the law over and over again

[1:10:49] here we're trying to because

[1:10:50] we are so limited and the

[1:10:52] tools that we have because of

[1:10:54] competency laws complications

[1:10:57] right? Because a lot of these

[1:10:58] individuals you just know,

[1:10:59] they're just not right. I

[1:11:02] mean, the I mean, they need

[1:11:03] >> our society needs to do a

[1:11:06] better job. Denver needs to do

[1:11:10] a better job of of working on

[1:11:11] a competency laws that really

[1:11:12] help us deal with this instead

[1:11:17] of having to cite a or use

[1:11:17] local laws to try to control

[1:11:18] it. But we don't have any

[1:11:19] other choices, right? We're

[1:11:20] kind of we're kind of caught

[1:11:23] in this place.

[1:11:23] >> I would agree with that. We

[1:11:24] are bound in a lot of ways by

[1:11:27] the state legislation that

[1:11:28] defines competency defines

[1:11:31] when you can help somebody in

[1:11:32] to a facility for their mental

[1:11:33] health or their drug

[1:11:35] addictions. And so

[1:11:36] unfortunately, the municipal

[1:11:37] level can't do anything but

[1:11:39] follow the state laws in those

[1:11:41] areas. You pointed out one of

[1:11:42] the areas that I we struggle

[1:11:43] with and we have to

[1:11:45] individually evaluated person.

[1:11:46] >> I think it's one of the

[1:11:47] biggest gaps that we have

[1:11:49] because we have some programs

[1:11:50] that aren't some are quite

[1:11:51] sufficient enough. They can be

[1:11:53] better. But we do have

[1:11:54] programs. But these these

[1:11:56] folks, they don't apply for

[1:11:59] them because they just. They

[1:12:01] don't have the cap capability

[1:12:03] to do right? You know, the

[1:12:05] capability to show up to

[1:12:08] court.

[1:12:09] >> And so these are the

[1:12:12] individuals that are our

[1:12:12] police and fire are dealing

[1:12:15] with every single day. And

[1:12:16] they're just repeat offenders.

[1:12:19] You know, I heard the rescue

[1:12:20] mission celebrated an

[1:12:21] individual who had been at the

[1:12:24] rescue mission for 20 years

[1:12:25] and he just finally was able

[1:12:26] to get to a place where it

[1:12:29] could have his own That's

[1:12:33] incredible. I mean, one that's

[1:12:34] amazing that this individual,

[1:12:35] you know, got a place after 20

[1:12:39] years.

[1:12:44] >> But it And that's not

[1:12:45] movement.

[1:12:45] >> I mean, you see on saying

[1:12:48] that's not movement. And so

[1:12:49] with the system, isil is the

[1:12:52] system is fundamentally. Not

[1:12:53] capable of doing the job. We

[1:12:56] need to do efficiently. That's

[1:12:57] one of our issues. So we need

[1:12:58] to kind of address his

[1:13:00] competency laws, issues as

[1:13:03] you've kind of rates right?

[1:13:04] >> Yeah, I would agree with

[1:13:05] you on. Fortunately again,

[1:13:06] that is with the state

[1:13:06] legislation. But we have to

[1:13:09] work with any and her team to

[1:13:10] create bigger groups for for

[1:13:11] some of those become super

[1:13:14] utilize ERs. We did can

[1:13:14] determine if there are other

[1:13:17] avenues that we can proceed.

[1:13:18] Even if competency is an issue

[1:13:19] to it.

[1:13:21] >> And just to kind of

[1:13:24] reiterate and make sure this

[1:13:27] is clear, is there anything

[1:13:31] that we at city Council around

[1:13:31] this issue?

[1:13:33] >> Or is this just 100% a

[1:13:33] state issue like we just can't

[1:13:38] even go there?

[1:13:38] >> It comes on the little bit

[1:13:39] of funding as well as having

[1:13:42] people that can focus on the

[1:13:43] problem, working with our

[1:13:44] partners apd. And as Amy has

[1:13:45] said, it's it's about getting

[1:13:46] the people that can understand

[1:13:47] the problem and develop their

[1:13:50] focus to it. You know, smart

[1:13:53] as a prosecutor in my role is

[1:13:53] very limited because I'm an on

[1:13:57] one side of the situation. But

[1:13:58] getting to know the people

[1:13:59] that you could reach out to in

[1:14:00] the city and outside the city

[1:14:03] in the community refer people

[1:14:04] to is important and has

[1:14:07] helped.

[1:14:09] >> My last question is I hear

[1:14:10] all the time that you'll bring

[1:14:12] down a verdict for them to be

[1:14:13] in jail for 10 days or

[1:14:16] whatever it might be. And then

[1:14:17] they go to the jail and the

[1:14:20] jail releases them in like 2

[1:14:23] hours how does that happen?

[1:14:24] What's going on? But I want to

[1:14:25] understand what that what's

[1:14:27] the loop hole there.

[1:14:29] >> So there might be 2 things

[1:14:29] you're talking about. One

[1:14:32] might be what we call truth in

[1:14:33] sentencing. And there are

[1:14:33] state laws that basically say

[1:14:35] if you get a sentence,

[1:14:36] sometimes the sheriff can

[1:14:37] reduce that based on good time

[1:14:39] good behavior was in the jail.

[1:14:40] >> Again, that's outside of

[1:14:42] the municipal courts.

[1:14:44] Providence. The other thing is

[1:14:46] bond, which again is a state

[1:14:48] issue and mandate upon us. We

[1:14:49] have to release people with

[1:14:50] certain low-level offenses,

[1:14:51] including most of our

[1:14:53] municipal fences. So even if

[1:14:54] you're picked up on failing to

[1:14:55] appear on most of the time, he

[1:14:58] will be granted a bond

[1:14:58] relatively quickly in in be

[1:15:01] released from that facility.

[1:15:05] >> it just sounds so. To good

[1:15:09] things. I guess that's where

[1:15:12] kind of like stuck at. I think

[1:15:14] we need to be looking at other

[1:15:17] state officials to say, hey,

[1:15:17] this issue needs to be

[1:15:19] addressed its costs team

[1:15:21] municipality, some real

[1:15:24] dollars. And we just not it's

[1:15:27] making our jobs much more hard

[1:15:28] work. The taxpayers paying a

[1:15:32] lot. Because of some issues

[1:15:33] that aren't being addressed at

[1:15:35] the state level.

[1:15:37] >> can understand that

[1:15:38] sentiment Councilmember.

[1:15:39] >> All right. Thank you very

[1:15:41] much. Councilmember I I think

[1:15:42] this is again, one of the

[1:15:44] strengths that we can bring

[1:15:45] with the homelessness response

[1:15:49] team, which is really getting

[1:15:50] the date around this. The the

[1:15:52] stories for the advocacy to do

[1:15:55] this work.

[1:15:57] >> I agree with you because

[1:15:59] that's how you tell the story.

[1:16:00] Right? We can go forth and go

[1:16:02] to our representatives and

[1:16:02] say, hey, look at this. This

[1:16:06] is the costs. So there's

[1:16:09] there's a bill that's coming

[1:16:09] forward that indirectly

[1:16:12] related to this around all.

[1:16:13] And it's 0 tolerance, kind of

[1:16:14] bill that will be voting on

[1:16:20] the ballot. And it's mandatory

[1:16:21] 8 to 32 years. If you're

[1:16:24] caught with a real more than a

[1:16:27] single use dose because you'll

[1:16:31] be construed tribute or

[1:16:32] >> it's going be an

[1:16:34] interesting thing. If that

[1:16:35] passes.

[1:16:37] >> And I unfortunately, I

[1:16:41] think as we've discussed here,

[1:16:42] one of the best tools we have

[1:16:45] is law enforcement.

[1:16:47] >> I wish it was something

[1:16:51] different. Yeah. Our we are

[1:16:53] very well trained response of

[1:16:55] law enforcement work very

[1:16:56] closely with providers and our

[1:16:59] fire department they're doing

[1:16:59] great. But I will tell you

[1:17:01] that I think you've sort of

[1:17:02] wrap this up, I think for us,

[1:17:06] which is that, you know, we're

[1:17:07] looking at not only it, you

[1:17:09] you have to have support to

[1:17:09] people to complete all the

[1:17:11] various forms and get on the

[1:17:11] waiting list. And then there

[1:17:13] has to be places for people to

[1:17:14] be. And I think that's what we

[1:17:16] heard with, you know, things

[1:17:19] like safe parking or hopes to

[1:17:21] bring to the community as well

[1:17:22] to support the great work

[1:17:23] that's already happening at

[1:17:27] the Springs Rescue mission. So

[1:17:29] when we think in terms there's

[1:17:31] a maximum quality management

[1:17:31] that is that a bad system will

[1:17:34] be a good person every day.

[1:17:35] And the system requires more

[1:17:38] than just people to help Trump

[1:17:39] the paperwork. There has to be

[1:17:39] a bridge place for people to

[1:17:42] be. Then that connection to

[1:17:45] that exit. And that's what

[1:17:46] we're really working as the

[1:17:48] system is. How do we fill

[1:17:48] those gaps? We can't be

[1:17:50] everywhere. Do everything, you

[1:17:52] know, everywhere. All at once.

[1:17:55] But I do feel 2 COUNCILMAN

[1:17:57] Henson's comments that we are

[1:18:01] beginning to see that how we

[1:18:01] manage the system and how we

[1:18:04] move people through that

[1:18:05] system. It is very important

[1:18:06] and to councilmember

[1:18:08] Donaldson's comment, it won't

[1:18:10] work for everybody. It won't

[1:18:15] work for everybody. That, you

[1:18:16] know, that becomes the issue

[1:18:22] of law enforcement and a

[1:18:23] prosecution sloss.

[1:18:24] >> you know, Bill Floss the

[1:18:28] carrot and stick right. It's

[1:18:28] it's just the reality of the

[1:18:29] human condition. You have to

[1:18:33] kind of bring forth a either

[1:18:35] award or, you know, the stick.

[1:18:39] It's it's been that way for.

[1:18:41] Forever. So thank you very

[1:18:42] much. I think I got most like,

[1:18:43] no, I don't have all my

[1:18:47] questions is this is not a

[1:18:48] it's open-ended question

[1:18:49] because I think we have to

[1:18:50] keep kind of pushing and

[1:18:52] lenient on this and asking

[1:18:53] questions over and over again

[1:18:57] about the realities harnesses.

[1:18:57] Thank you. And diversion is

[1:19:01] the best. Let me go back to

[1:19:04] that. The version is the Yeah.

[1:19:05] >> Yeah. Yeah. Lots of

[1:19:09] success. That diversion.

[1:19:10] COUNCILMAN Donaldson.

[1:19:11] >> Yeah, thanks, John.

[1:19:13] PRESIDENT On and just like to

[1:19:14] ask intent to play a couple

[1:19:16] questions again.

[1:19:23] Good morning. Never did say

[1:19:27] good morning to Good morning,

[1:19:28] When when team contacts,

[1:19:31] people who over living on the

[1:19:37] on the street in the parks.

[1:19:38] >> You're

[1:19:39] >> you're really once you

[1:19:40] there's you know, a crime that

[1:19:40] you are called. Therefore, you

[1:19:42] have to investigate But tell

[1:19:45] us 2 is your. And when you're

[1:19:46] first things that you want to

[1:19:47] do with this person is try to

[1:19:51] inform them about. Resources

[1:19:51] that are out there spring

[1:19:55] rescue mission at center.

[1:19:57] >> Guess we always we always

[1:20:00] give information on We are

[1:20:02] actually we recently entered 3

[1:20:04] families with 3 of our outside

[1:20:05] agency partners with one

[1:20:06] additional pending actually

[1:20:09] with hopesthe less. And so we

[1:20:09] do work with them closely. And

[1:20:11] we do offer those resources.

[1:20:13] However, our pieces

[1:20:15] enforcement. And so we have a

[1:20:15] responsibility to the citizens

[1:20:16] that are calling and

[1:20:18] complaining have concerns

[1:20:19] about people camping in their

[1:20:21] alleyways or whatever to go

[1:20:23] and investigate those. And

[1:20:25] then and then either site or

[1:20:26] give warnings again, there's

[1:20:29] discretion there to a point.

[1:20:30] But we are that enforcement

[1:20:32] piece with a certain really

[1:20:32] stick. It.

[1:20:33] >> And I believe in Forsman is

[1:20:37] a huge part of the of solving

[1:20:38] this problem.

[1:20:39] >> But what I want to make

[1:20:41] clear is that specially the

[1:20:44] hot team officers cspd the

[1:20:45] goal is and go, hey, we get to

[1:20:46] go out in sight. Give someone

[1:20:47] a ticket. Boy, this is great.

[1:20:50] Let's go site. This guy.

[1:20:51] >> Oracle question. But is it

[1:20:55] is that the goal?

[1:20:55] >> I wouldn't say the goal is

[1:20:58] to say I would say the goal is

[1:21:00] to we're trying to keep

[1:21:01] community safe the law. So our

[1:21:03] goal is to enforce the law

[1:21:04] that can look differently.

[1:21:05] Sometimes we are coming into

[1:21:07] contact with people with

[1:21:09] felony And so that is a piece

[1:21:11] of it. The other big piece

[1:21:12] that we deal with as we work

[1:21:14] with public works very, very

[1:21:16] closely every day with regard

[1:21:18] to camp cleanups. And so I'm

[1:21:19] not going to speak to what

[1:21:20] they do and that they have

[1:21:21] their own numbers. And how

[1:21:21] much how many tons of trash

[1:21:25] they pick up and in a given

[1:21:26] month. But it's significant.

[1:21:28] The hope the people living

[1:21:28] out.

[1:21:30] >> On the street that you

[1:21:32] contact are many of them

[1:21:35] unaware of the springs rescue

[1:21:36] mission or a or a Catholic

[1:21:37] charities. Are they not aware

[1:21:37] of those things? I would say

[1:21:42] most are aware. Okay, where in

[1:21:44] so this is what I fly here

[1:21:44] over the last couple minutes

[1:21:48] as we've had this discussion

[1:21:49] is its it's not well, they

[1:21:51] just don't know the people

[1:21:52] living on the street. If we

[1:21:56] could just what inform them

[1:21:57] they're making a choice. I

[1:21:58] don't want to do that. I don't

[1:21:59] want to go to the springs

[1:22:00] rescue mission. I don't want

[1:22:02] this kind of I'm doing this

[1:22:05] today. In my opinion. That's

[1:22:10] because they're weighing the

[1:22:12] benefits and the costs what's

[1:22:13] the cost for me living in this

[1:22:14] park. What that thing is going

[1:22:16] to happen to me. If I do that

[1:22:18] versus do I really want to go

[1:22:20] and try to get off drugs and

[1:22:23] get a boring job. It at

[1:22:24] McDonald's or Home Depot and

[1:22:25] have to get up every morning

[1:22:26] and go to work.

[1:22:27] >> I hate that stuff. It's

[1:22:28] boring.

[1:22:34] >> So we can't allow people

[1:22:36] who make a decision like that.

[1:22:38] A choice like that to destroy

[1:22:38] the quality of life for the

[1:22:40] citizens of Colorado Springs.

[1:22:45] >> And if it is, you know,

[1:22:47] takes jail time to get them to

[1:22:48] realize, you know what? I've

[1:22:49] got a straight my life out.

[1:22:52] The Sox. I don't like this.

[1:22:54] Good for jail. I mean, that's

[1:22:55] good. We're helping them. I

[1:22:59] remember a woman who is at the

[1:23:00] Love Cheney's retirement.

[1:23:01] Actually, she wasn't there.

[1:23:02] They read a letter she had

[1:23:04] sent in that he had saved her

[1:23:06] life when she got sent to jail

[1:23:07] because she would have died on

[1:23:08] the streets because she was

[1:23:10] addicted to drugs and she know

[1:23:11] she would have died and she

[1:23:12] was a prostitute. Point. And

[1:23:15] so it helped her. Maybe this

[1:23:17] is amusing to some people, but

[1:23:18] it was a very touching letter

[1:23:23] that she had sent in. We

[1:23:24] think, well, you know, jail

[1:23:27] always bad. We should never do

[1:23:28] that. So sometimes it helps

[1:23:31] both society and the person

[1:23:35] who. Receives units, something

[1:23:37] which they knew it could

[1:23:38] happen. They received a

[1:23:42] punishment for their actions.

[1:23:43] Is there anything else you can

[1:23:44] share with us about that

[1:23:48] ordinance that we did pass the

[1:23:49] one you know, car camping or

[1:23:53] live in. Our there any any

[1:23:54] insights that you have about

[1:23:56] that Lieutenant lessons

[1:23:58] learned since we've started

[1:23:58] enforce it.

[1:23:59] >> I think that one of the

[1:24:02] things that we've that has

[1:24:03] been a positive thing that

[1:24:04] came out of that and any touch

[1:24:04] a little bit is that we're

[1:24:06] working more closely with

[1:24:07] Catholic Charities with that

[1:24:09] program. If we do come into

[1:24:10] contact with individuals with

[1:24:12] families and young kids that

[1:24:13] we actually just worked on the

[1:24:14] script and they're putting out

[1:24:15] a video that we're going to

[1:24:16] send out to all of our patrol

[1:24:18] officers so that they have

[1:24:19] that information if they come

[1:24:20] into contact with a family who

[1:24:22] is in their vehicle, Catholic

[1:24:23] charities has resources and we

[1:24:25] can get them immediately in

[1:24:26] direct contact with them to

[1:24:29] get them help. And so I think

[1:24:30] that's a definitely a positive

[1:24:33] thing with regard to

[1:24:34] enforcement. It has not been

[1:24:35] overwhelming our system. We're

[1:24:38] not seeing it every day. We do

[1:24:39] about the contact about 65

[1:24:41] camps. A month in vehicle

[1:24:44] camps and then the number of

[1:24:44] citations is about less than

[1:24:48] 10% of the people context.

[1:24:49] >> Okay. Thank. Thank you. It

[1:24:50] has a plea and MADAM

[1:24:51] PRESIDENT, I wish the problem

[1:24:52] was just that people did not

[1:24:54] fill out some forms. And if we

[1:24:56] can, so that would be okay. I

[1:24:56] just think it's much bigger

[1:25:02] than that. Strong enforcement

[1:25:03] is a big part of the answer.

[1:25:09] Thank

[1:25:10] >> Amy, I don't see any more

[1:25:13] questions at this time. Thank

[1:25:15] you for your presentation this

[1:25:16] morning. It was very good for

[1:25:17] us to see what that press

[1:25:17] conference was all about. We

[1:25:19] really do appreciate he

[1:25:20] putting this all together for

[1:25:21] us this morning. Thank you.

[1:25:25] MADAM PRESIDENT. Next we have

[1:25:25] item 7 be will the clerk

[1:25:27] please read item 7 be into the

[1:25:30] record agenda. Plan review.

[1:25:31] Does anyone have any questions

[1:25:32] on the up and coming edge and

[1:25:34] a planner

[1:25:35] >> has been a PRESIDENT Do a

[1:25:37] couple.

[1:25:43] >> Page 2. Number 3.

[1:25:46] >> It's a resolution of this

[1:25:47] city of Colorado Springs

[1:25:47] approving the request to

[1:25:49] accept the designation as the

[1:25:50] approving authority of the

[1:25:51] southern Colorado railyard

[1:25:52] metro districts. Number one

[1:25:53] through 3. What does that

[1:26:00] mean? It's a resolution to

[1:26:01] accept the designation as the

[1:26:05] approving authority.

[1:26:06] >> council coming Walker

[1:26:10] seaplane director. The

[1:26:11] districts that were formed at

[1:26:13] the railyard were formed under

[1:26:15] county jurisdiction when they

[1:26:15] get entirely annexed to the

[1:26:16] city of Colorado Springs. And

[1:26:18] we should be managing

[1:26:20] authority under that. And

[1:26:22] that's what we're basically

[1:26:23] passing a resolution to take

[1:26:26] over. The county's position

[1:26:29] and those metro districts.

[1:26:30] >> Okay. Originally they were

[1:26:32] created under the county. They

[1:26:33] were it with our comment. We

[1:26:35] we make sure that we commented

[1:26:36] on those things. Perfect in

[1:26:37] this one. This next one, Kevin

[1:26:38] would be for you to. That's

[1:26:41] just the very next one. This

[1:26:41] is Joe with the zone change

[1:26:43] consisting of 203 acres known

[1:26:46] as portions of You Valley Park

[1:26:47] and a good some of that goes

[1:26:48] from residential, this

[1:26:51] residential that and some

[1:26:52] other stuff. What is that?

[1:26:53] Exactly? It's cleaning up some

[1:26:57] of the zoning that has

[1:26:58] resulted from some gifts of

[1:27:02] land and purchase of land.

[1:27:02] That were not zone pk. So that

[1:27:04] I think that's what that is

[1:27:04] all about.

[1:27:05] >> And that will be heard by

[1:27:05] the planning Commission

[1:27:07] shortly.

[1:27:10] >> Okay. But this is on our.

[1:27:17] Calendar for SEPTEMBER. 21st.

[1:27:18] Okay. But here out. I'm sorry.

[1:27:19] I think planning is already

[1:27:19] her planning. Commissions are

[1:27:24] ready that. Ok? He spoke. My

[1:27:27] my apologies.

[1:27:36] >> Moving on to item 8 a will

[1:27:39] the clerk please read item 8 a

[1:27:41] into the record. A resolution

[1:27:43] authorizing the mayor to

[1:27:43] execute a memorandum of

[1:27:44] agreement with U.S. Army Corps

[1:27:45] of Engineers for site

[1:27:46] protection requirements. So

[1:27:49] she would permitted Permittee

[1:27:51] responsible mitigation under

[1:27:51] Department of Army Permits.

[1:27:55] Good morning, Erin. Good

[1:27:56] Morning City Council PRESIDENT

[1:27:56] Craig person. My name is Erin

[1:27:57] Powers and the stormwater

[1:28:00] enterprise manager City. I'm

[1:28:01] presenting a resolution

[1:28:04] authorizing the execution of

[1:28:05] the Memorandum of Agreement

[1:28:06] with United States Army Corps

[1:28:06] of Engineers for Wetland

[1:28:10] Protection. So one of the

[1:28:11] biggest focus areas for the

[1:28:14] stormwater enterprise is our

[1:28:15] waterways to many, larger open

[1:28:15] channel projects. And these

[1:28:18] larger projects require 404

[1:28:20] permits prior to performing

[1:28:22] construction in Waters of the

[1:28:24] United States. So these

[1:28:25] permits are met managed by the

[1:28:26] United States Army Corps of

[1:28:27] Engineers, and they require

[1:28:28] mitigation for wetland

[1:28:30] impacts, which is typically

[1:28:31] performed on site, which means

[1:28:31] we're putting the wetlands

[1:28:36] back in our waterways. So

[1:28:37] under federal regulation

[1:28:39] applicants conducting

[1:28:40] permitting responsible

[1:28:40] mitigation must establish a

[1:28:41] site protection instrument to

[1:28:43] establish long-term

[1:28:44] preservation of pretty

[1:28:45] responsible mitigation areas,

[1:28:45] which is what these are

[1:28:49] called. In the past. The Army

[1:28:51] Corps has accepted our

[1:28:52] language on wetland protection

[1:28:52] that that's city code and also

[1:28:55] our drainage manual. But

[1:28:57] recently they are now

[1:28:58] requiring memorandums of

[1:29:01] agreement for each wetland,

[1:29:03] mitigation area and so rather

[1:29:03] than executing a single and

[1:29:05] the way for channel project

[1:29:09] that we do in the city. This

[1:29:11] single memorandum of agreement

[1:29:12] with would cover the entire

[1:29:12] city. All future for of her

[1:29:16] permits that we apply So with

[1:29:17] that, be happy to answer any

[1:29:20] questions. COUNCILMAN

[1:29:27] Williams. Today explain why.

[1:29:28] >> Why the transition, why

[1:29:30] they feel that this is

[1:29:31] necessary. Appreciate the fact

[1:29:34] that you're not going to do

[1:29:37] 1000 of these, did they stain

[1:29:38] why we want to go from what we

[1:29:41] were doing to this?

[1:29:42] >> we we met with him several

[1:29:46] times to try to, you know, go

[1:29:48] back to the old

[1:29:49] interpretation. But there were

[1:29:49] some upper level staffing

[1:29:52] changes over there. And

[1:29:53] they're the new interpretation

[1:29:57] of this just might follow.

[1:29:59] >> Sounds like you're working

[1:29:59] with the around People do

[1:30:06] rules. Okay. Thank I don't see

[1:30:08] of the questions at this time.

[1:30:11] Thanks. Thanks, Erin.

[1:30:13] >> Next up, we have item 8 b,

[1:30:15] will the please read item 8 b

[1:30:18] into the record in ordinance

[1:30:19] certifying delinquent

[1:30:19] stormwater So sorry, we just

[1:30:21] did that.

[1:30:26] >> it's the second Okay.

[1:30:27] Sorry. Sorry, an ordinance or

[1:30:28] to find a link with storm eta

[1:30:29] fees and charges to the Paso

[1:30:29] County treasurer for

[1:30:34] collection. Still you. That's

[1:30:37] what happened

[1:30:43] >> So city Code Code. Section

[1:30:44] 14, 8, 1, 0, 9, states that

[1:30:45] non payment of storm water

[1:30:45] fees creates a property lean

[1:30:46] upon the property to which the

[1:30:49] fee is assessed. And so is

[1:30:50] some background for all of

[1:30:53] these accounts. A notice of

[1:30:55] intent to Lima sent by

[1:30:56] certified mail in JULY to

[1:30:57] customers with invoices, 90

[1:30:58] days or more past due and

[1:30:59] where the dollar amount

[1:31:03] exceeded $200. So notice

[1:31:04] indicated the storm water

[1:31:05] enterprise will place a lien

[1:31:05] on the property if you count

[1:31:07] is not brought current. And

[1:31:08] then if payment is not

[1:31:10] received, the customers are

[1:31:11] subject to lean and their

[1:31:12] accounts will be sent to Pasco

[1:31:13] County Treasurer for

[1:31:17] collection. So has of JULY

[1:31:19] 31st. 2026 you there 181

[1:31:23] accounts that total $116,000.

[1:31:24] $222. That follow-up phone

[1:31:27] within the current guidelines

[1:31:28] and just update as of the end

[1:31:28] of AUGUST. 23 of those have

[1:31:30] paid. So they're 150 8

[1:31:32] accounts remaining. If the

[1:31:35] payment is not received after

[1:31:40] certification the county, the

[1:31:42] total amount to be paid added

[1:31:42] to the property tax owners

[1:31:45] statement in JANUARY 2027. And

[1:31:46] then if that property tax bill

[1:31:49] is not paid in full, the

[1:31:50] remaining unpaid balances

[1:31:52] falling to the provisions for

[1:31:53] by the tax lien sale by the

[1:31:55] treasure. Happy. Happy to

[1:32:02] answer any questions.

[1:32:03] COUNCILMAN Casey.

[1:32:04] >> Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT,

[1:32:06] just a quick question. On the

[1:32:07] $200.90 days is that something

[1:32:09] this internal polls? Here's a

[1:32:11] written kotler.

[1:32:11] >> That's an internal policy,

[1:32:13] the $200. And that's just

[1:32:16] because their fees associated

[1:32:17] with this whole process and

[1:32:20] then also staff time. And so

[1:32:23] there was an analysis done to

[1:32:24] where where it was worth

[1:32:24] proceeding where we would

[1:32:30] losing thanks. COUNCILMAN

[1:32:31] >> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,

[1:32:31] I don't really have any

[1:32:32] questions on either of these

[1:32:34] items, but just did you want

[1:32:35] either of these to be on

[1:32:37] consent run? Yes, thank you.

[1:32:40] And I'm supportive both Inc.

[1:32:41] Can they get a thumbs up for

[1:32:44] both of these items on

[1:32:47] consent? He got too.

[1:32:49] >> Moving on to item 8. See

[1:32:54] where the clerk please read

[1:32:54] item.

[1:32:59] >> ac and 8 d into the record.

[1:33:00] >> It sees an ordinance

[1:33:01] amending multiple sections of

[1:33:02] Article 3, a ton of ethics of

[1:33:04] Chapter one administration,

[1:33:05] personal finance, the code of

[1:33:06] the city of colors rings 2001

[1:33:07] as amended pertaining to the

[1:33:11] code of ethics. That's why

[1:33:12] they're there. The they're not

[1:33:14] the same old Reed d can. I

[1:33:14] just have been marked as the

[1:33:15] same high. Caitlin, how Good

[1:33:19] morning. I'm going up.

[1:33:19] >> a city attorney's office

[1:33:20] here go over. The proposed

[1:33:24] changes to the ethics code. So

[1:33:25] for each side, the setup is

[1:33:27] the same and carried the whole

[1:33:28] thing. But you can see the

[1:33:30] specific changes from code.

[1:33:31] All right there at the bottom

[1:33:32] of the site, a brief overview

[1:33:32] is listed at the top. So just

[1:33:33] read the top. But stop me. If

[1:33:37] you have any questions. The

[1:33:38] first change is that we're

[1:33:39] discussing. The advisory

[1:33:42] opinions are clarified to be.

[1:33:44] Only for the requester for

[1:33:45] your contemplated action trait

[1:33:46] can ask for another member of

[1:33:50] council. Next. We've removed

[1:33:52] the independent contractor

[1:33:54] lead made language were

[1:33:55] specific to say that

[1:33:56] specifically those individuals

[1:33:57] receiving a 10 99 from the

[1:33:58] city. So are saying that is

[1:33:59] who the ethics code applies

[1:34:06] to. We've added the option for

[1:34:07] the independent Ethics

[1:34:07] Commission to dismiss the

[1:34:08] complaint for failure to

[1:34:09] comply with the requirements

[1:34:12] within city code. Previously,

[1:34:13] it just said their rules of

[1:34:14] procedure. There are

[1:34:14] procedural requirements. Codes

[1:34:19] were clean that up. We've

[1:34:19] increased said the gift except

[1:34:23] to limit to $75. It does

[1:34:23] update as the state updates

[1:34:24] that were make as today is

[1:34:32] possible in code. In the gift

[1:34:32] section. And we have removed

[1:34:33] requirement that family

[1:34:35] members of covered individuals

[1:34:38] only accepted free. All right.

[1:34:39] Just kind of a ticket if it

[1:34:41] end with the covered person

[1:34:42] and then we've also clarified

[1:34:43] that if you're accepting free

[1:34:46] or discounted tickets, the

[1:34:48] value of the gift that we need

[1:34:50] to make sure is under $7 in

[1:34:51] the aggregate. So one $50

[1:34:52] ticket. Great to. That's 100.

[1:34:58] That's a no. We've removed

[1:34:58] redundant language discussing

[1:35:01] events and multiple sections

[1:35:02] gifts in the gives section

[1:35:05] events was again, listen, few

[1:35:05] sections we've address

[1:35:06] specifically the events. We

[1:35:07] want to those 2, 2 being

[1:35:12] removed. We've removed

[1:35:13] requirement that certain gifts

[1:35:14] must be documented in order

[1:35:16] qualify as exception to get

[1:35:17] probation so that were just

[1:35:23] Rick struck in a few places.

[1:35:24] In this section. Section doe

[1:35:27] a few things. It's about

[1:35:32] specific related only to

[1:35:32] elected officials, but we've

[1:35:32] added that elected officials

[1:35:32] MAY designate a person to go

[1:35:35] to an event in their stead. We

[1:35:38] removed redundant language. So

[1:35:39] there's language at the end of

[1:35:40] 15 there that says does not

[1:35:41] affect a direct official

[1:35:43] action. Kelly, which is

[1:35:43] already at the top of

[1:35:44] accepting any coded does need

[1:35:47] to be there again. Then again,

[1:35:48] that gift is documented.

[1:35:49] Ready, discuss that. We're

[1:35:50] really the documentation

[1:35:52] requirement altogether. The

[1:35:55] other you that is 16 that

[1:35:59] Boulder language is all new 15

[1:35:59] covers of a ticket. So that

[1:36:00] gets in the door. We didn't

[1:36:01] have anything addressing

[1:36:02] activities at the event. Once

[1:36:04] you get in the door. So it

[1:36:05] added a section saying you can

[1:36:07] go to these activities in

[1:36:10] certain cases where there are

[1:36:10] events. But it's monster

[1:36:12] hosted whole or part the city

[1:36:14] or sponsor hosted by another

[1:36:15] governmental entity.

[1:36:21] Pertaining to official duties.

[1:36:21] We've removed redundant

[1:36:22] language. This is the final

[1:36:24] section of the gifts section.

[1:36:25] We've already discussed gifts

[1:36:27] obviously throughout the gives

[1:36:28] section. We don't need this

[1:36:32] language start to repurpose.

[1:36:32] We've added there into a

[1:36:36] conflict interest. We've added

[1:36:39] in exception. So if you are

[1:36:40] attending ceremonial events

[1:36:41] that wouldn't be a conflict of

[1:36:42] interest that is prohibited.

[1:36:42] Those are things that ground

[1:36:43] breakings, grand openings

[1:36:44] ribbon, cutting things really

[1:36:46] celebrating the city. That

[1:36:47] would be an endorsement of the

[1:36:48] business having the ceremonial

[1:36:53] it. We've replaced unclear

[1:36:56] language that participate term

[1:36:58] so face not return. We replace

[1:36:59] that with direct official

[1:37:02] action. So we know clearly

[1:37:03] what behaviors you can kind of

[1:37:09] gauge. Again, we've removed

[1:37:10] redundant language. This is

[1:37:11] talking about conflict with

[1:37:12] his or bushel duties and

[1:37:13] responsibilities. Our

[1:37:16] fiduciary duty, the city. This

[1:37:17] isn't a conflict of interest

[1:37:18] section. So all of these

[1:37:19] specific behaviors that we

[1:37:21] want covered, those are

[1:37:22] specifically enumerated this

[1:37:25] again, doesn't add anything.

[1:37:29] And then lastly, we've added

[1:37:29] an exception in the conflict

[1:37:32] of interest provision. So if

[1:37:33] as an elected official, you

[1:37:34] can serve on a 5, a one c 3

[1:37:37] board of directors so long as

[1:37:39] you or if immediate family

[1:37:40] member does not otherwise have

[1:37:41] a substantial interest in the

[1:37:49] 5, one c 3. He

[1:37:51] >> MADAM PRESIDENT, the

[1:37:52] question on that point right

[1:37:53] there, you've always been able

[1:37:55] to serve on a 5, a one c 3.

[1:37:57] This changes it to allow you

[1:37:59] to vote on issues that pertain

[1:38:01] to that 5, a one c 3 right

[1:38:02] >> I should have been more

[1:38:04] clear So if it and item came

[1:38:05] in front of you and you were

[1:38:07] other a serving on the board

[1:38:09] rate. Currently you have to

[1:38:10] recuse yourself. This change

[1:38:12] would allow you to take that

[1:38:14] vote again. Otherwise a less

[1:38:15] other rights. You have a

[1:38:21] substantial interest

[1:38:22] >> maybe you can help me

[1:38:24] understand what? Why couldn't

[1:38:25] that councilmember just

[1:38:26] abstain from the vote under

[1:38:28] the old rules, they simply

[1:38:28] would have abstained from the

[1:38:29] vote. It's one c 3 is probably

[1:38:34] going to. Have a strong

[1:38:35] support anyway. And that would

[1:38:36] remove the appearance of a

[1:38:37] conflict of interest.

[1:38:38] >> Yeah, sure. And so camp

[1:38:40] this would not prohibit a

[1:38:41] councilmember Trump recusing

[1:38:42] themselves for that appearance

[1:38:48] of impropriety.

[1:38:52] >> But why are we adding I

[1:38:53] mean, currently our rules

[1:38:53] essentially, my understanding

[1:38:54] would say if you're on the

[1:38:59] board. Yeah. On the board of a

[1:39:01] 501, c 3. And there's a matter

[1:39:02] that comes before council. You

[1:39:04] should recuse yourself.

[1:39:06] >> This is saying that you

[1:39:10] don't need to recuse yourself.

[1:39:12] You can, but but you you don't

[1:39:14] have to.

[1:39:14] >> Yeah. This specific changes

[1:39:15] or request from council. So

[1:39:17] that's why this one it okay.

[1:39:19] >> So this is one that I'm not

[1:39:22] sure I support this change

[1:39:22] just because and I will I will

[1:39:26] like to ask you. Can work like

[1:39:31] council is loosening.

[1:39:33] Restraints, ethical restraints

[1:39:37] here on ourselves. What else

[1:39:38] in do you think might give

[1:39:39] that appearance that we are

[1:39:42] lowering the bar? For

[1:39:43] ourselves as far as there

[1:39:44] shouldn't even be their

[1:39:45] parents that we're doing

[1:39:49] something. To benefits

[1:39:49] ourselves or friends. The

[1:39:52] group were apart.

[1:39:55] >> I think, you know, all

[1:39:56] these are.

[1:39:57] >> It changes our office can

[1:39:58] support. So, you know,

[1:39:59] politically how they come up.

[1:40:00] I don't know that I can answer

[1:40:01] that question. But otherwise,

[1:40:03] you know, legally our office

[1:40:05] can come to parties. But of

[1:40:06] course, you are the

[1:40:07] legislative body. And so if

[1:40:08] you want to change anything,

[1:40:10] these are just proposed

[1:40:10] changes. We make changes to

[1:40:12] the proposed ordinance.

[1:40:17] >> For just for my colleagues

[1:40:18] knowledge one makes me a

[1:40:19] little uncomfortable. I don't

[1:40:20] see why we would change our

[1:40:23] current standard on thanks.

[1:40:24] >> Caitlin, can you clarify

[1:40:26] why? It's just the 5, a one c

[1:40:29] 3 when we know there's many

[1:40:30] different. There's 4 of their

[1:40:31] 6 wheels on different boards

[1:40:32] and this community. Why

[1:40:32] specifically are you calling

[1:40:33] out the 3?

[1:40:39] >> Yeah, that's a great I

[1:40:40] worked with an attorney who is

[1:40:42] no longer with the city and

[1:40:42] she was the one that requested

[1:40:45] only 5, one c threes. So if

[1:40:46] the board with if council

[1:40:48] would like need to take a look

[1:40:49] at opening it up to other

[1:40:50] nonprofit part. I'm happy to

[1:40:52] do that.

[1:40:55] >> COUNCILMAN Casey.

[1:40:56] >> Thank you. Members of euro

[1:41:02] slide 12 s. Can explain that

[1:41:03] again? Why that why the change

[1:41:07] there? The guest?

[1:41:09] >> So the previously or

[1:41:10] currently writing code, it

[1:41:11] says no covid person shall

[1:41:11] directly or indirectly

[1:41:14] participate in the problem was

[1:41:15] what is participate, right?

[1:41:18] That can be a very bride

[1:41:21] statement, right? That's a

[1:41:22] broad term. So you on to

[1:41:22] council. How are you supposed

[1:41:23] to know what actions you can

[1:41:24] or cannot take bipartisan? And

[1:41:27] it's find term dinner. What

[1:41:29] about sex? And really it was

[1:41:31] supposed to be getting direct

[1:41:31] official action director

[1:41:33] official action is that

[1:41:34] largely defined term within

[1:41:37] our code of ethics. And so now

[1:41:38] taking a look at this. You

[1:41:38] know what actions u can

[1:41:40] participate in or not, because

[1:41:45] it direct official action.

[1:41:47] >> I wonder about the word

[1:41:47] influence with that

[1:41:48] encompasses that that would be

[1:41:48] different to them.

[1:41:52] Participate.

[1:41:53] >> In Bloomington, I would

[1:41:53] interpret influence as

[1:41:55] different from participate,

[1:41:58] right? I think influence is

[1:42:00] more like you having a

[1:42:01] conversation with your fellow

[1:42:01] council member in trying to

[1:42:03] sway their direct official

[1:42:04] auction, something like that

[1:42:06] rate that that's really on the

[1:42:06] of influence. All right. Thank

[1:42:08] you.

[1:42:17] >> Question. Thank you. Can

[1:42:18] you go to the slide that talks

[1:42:23] about? A spouse was not

[1:42:24] accompanying someone. I forget

[1:42:37] which side that is.

[1:42:42] >> Mary, to actually.

[1:42:46] >> I understand. Is

[1:42:49] accompanying. Someone covered

[1:42:54] by the code. What I want to

[1:42:55] clarify is whether the scope

[1:42:57] reports to govern. Individuals

[1:43:01] who receive. Something not

[1:43:02] because they're a spouse, but

[1:43:05] because of an independent

[1:43:06] action. For example, my wife

[1:43:06] Holly is a county

[1:43:09] commissioner. Wife happens to

[1:43:12] be the head of ppo. So

[1:43:13] someone's extending an

[1:43:17] invitation. In that capacity

[1:43:19] and not because the individual

[1:43:23] is a spouse of. A city covered

[1:43:26] person. Does the scope report

[1:43:30] too? Regulate what a county

[1:43:35] commissioner or the ppo.

[1:43:35] >> So our code of ethics only

[1:43:36] applies right to the city and

[1:43:40] people who are covered persons

[1:43:41] so it wouldn't necessarily

[1:43:42] apply to a county commissioner

[1:43:43] or other members. Other bought

[1:43:46] boards and bodies. What would

[1:43:46] say, those here example is

[1:43:47] starting to get facts

[1:43:48] specific. And so that's what I

[1:43:49] would say. You could get an

[1:43:51] advisory opinion from our

[1:43:53] office. As to whether you can

[1:43:56] accept that certain.

[1:43:57] >> Item, I just wanted to

[1:43:59] clarify that. It's not

[1:43:59] intended to govern. Water

[1:44:04] spouts can do capacity.

[1:44:08] >> COUNCILMAN, my number. I

[1:44:09] just wanted to clarify that.

[1:44:13] Also hear a little bit because

[1:44:15] there are some we are invited

[1:44:20] to his honor and our spouses

[1:44:22] included and that event, that

[1:44:23] ticket price for that event

[1:44:26] might be 80 bucks. So

[1:44:27] combined. That's 160. So that

[1:44:29] would put us over the 175

[1:44:30] point.

[1:44:31] >> So as an elected official,

[1:44:32] that's where we get into those

[1:44:35] other changes case. Which is

[1:44:39] here. The 15 under the gift

[1:44:43] section, which is so so that

[1:44:44] one is the reasonable cost

[1:44:45] frequency of those meals and

[1:44:46] event. Tickets. And that is

[1:44:49] where your example, Atlanta,

[1:44:49] okay.

[1:44:50] >> So still so I can go the

[1:44:53] Christmas Party.

[1:44:59] >> good base.

[1:44:59] >> I don't see any other

[1:45:02] questions at this time. We'll

[1:45:03] just look for you getting back

[1:45:06] to questions and council

[1:45:11] Dawson had. Thank you moving

[1:45:14] on to item well, the clerk

[1:45:14] please read item 10, 8 into

[1:45:21] the record. Ad. Resolution

[1:45:22] adopting the internal audit

[1:45:24] 100 the office city auditor,

[1:45:25] city of current students

[1:45:26] affected 20 SEPTEMBER 22nd

[1:45:34] 2026.

[1:45:35] >> Good morning. PRESIDENT

[1:45:37] Grover son Pro Tem Roseland

[1:45:37] members of City Council Ali

[1:45:43] level. The otter. And today

[1:45:44] I'm going to cover our

[1:45:46] mission, vision and values

[1:45:49] that covered. Tilt do briefly

[1:45:52] a little bit about our office

[1:45:54] structure. Purpose.

[1:45:55] >> The city Auditor authority,

[1:45:56] some unique considerations as

[1:45:58] it relates to this internal

[1:45:59] audit. Charter our Audit

[1:46:02] Committee ordinance changes

[1:46:03] that you MAY as a council wish

[1:46:05] to consider next year and then

[1:46:11] talk about next steps. The

[1:46:12] purpose of the office of the

[1:46:13] city auditor is to provide

[1:46:15] independent risk based advice,

[1:46:18] insight and foresight to

[1:46:19] objective assurance and

[1:46:21] advisory services design to

[1:46:23] add value and improve the city

[1:46:25] and its enterprise is

[1:46:26] operations. The officer, the

[1:46:27] city auditor provides 2

[1:46:30] distinct types of work

[1:46:32] assurant work commonly called

[1:46:35] audit work and advisory often

[1:46:36] called consulting our audit

[1:46:39] services involves an objective

[1:46:40] examination of evidence to

[1:46:41] provide an independent

[1:46:42] assessment of the

[1:46:43] organization's governance

[1:46:46] risks and controls consulting

[1:46:47] services, which the scope is

[1:46:49] often agreed to with the

[1:46:51] involved parties provides

[1:46:52] advice without taking on

[1:46:54] management responsibilities.

[1:46:55] Our mission is to encourage

[1:46:57] responsible stewardship and

[1:46:59] accountability for public

[1:47:00] resources through independent

[1:47:04] and unbiased audits. We

[1:47:05] served. We seek to be trusted

[1:47:08] advisors who drive positive

[1:47:09] organizational change through

[1:47:10] the independent insight,

[1:47:11] integrity and solutions that

[1:47:13] strengthen public trust

[1:47:14] confidence and address

[1:47:14] emerging risks for the benefit

[1:47:19] for the community. And we hold

[1:47:20] accountability, principle

[1:47:20] behavior service to the

[1:47:22] community continuous

[1:47:23] improvement and people as our

[1:47:30] values. I'm here today to

[1:47:32] review and present to you an

[1:47:34] updated internal audit charter

[1:47:36] which aligns our office with

[1:47:37] the 2024 global internal audit

[1:47:39] standards. The internal audit

[1:47:41] charter documents mandates

[1:47:43] that are already defined in

[1:47:45] city charter and city code

[1:47:47] that helps to further define

[1:47:48] the roles and responsibilities

[1:47:49] of the city auditor sometimes

[1:47:51] called the chief audit

[1:47:51] executive in our Red Global

[1:47:55] Standards. It defines major

[1:47:56] deliverables to counsel to the

[1:47:58] audit committee and senior

[1:47:59] management. But most

[1:48:01] importantly, it reaffirms our

[1:48:03] support, your support and

[1:48:04] senior management support for

[1:48:07] independence and objectivity.

[1:48:08] And I will point out that this

[1:48:11] is a major key deliverable to

[1:48:13] getting us prepared for our

[1:48:15] peer review, an external

[1:48:15] quality assessment next year,

[1:48:16] which we shared with you

[1:48:17] during planning process a few

[1:48:22] months ago. The authority of

[1:48:23] the city auditor is largely

[1:48:26] driven from the city code and

[1:48:27] the city charter the city

[1:48:31] charter section 3.10, e

[1:48:32] appoints direction. Supervises

[1:48:32] the city auditor that set

[1:48:36] forth by City Council doing

[1:48:37] those roles and then many

[1:48:38] sections of the city code. I

[1:48:39] won't go through all of those

[1:48:43] details here, but that defines

[1:48:44] our independence. Our access

[1:48:45] or responsibilities. And those

[1:48:50] mandated audits. These

[1:48:51] provisions the legal mandate

[1:48:54] for the internal audit and we

[1:48:55] could stop there. But really

[1:48:56] the standards envision a lot

[1:48:59] more. And so that is really

[1:49:00] why we're here in front of

[1:49:03] you. The global 24 internal

[1:49:04] audit standards place,

[1:49:05] additional responsibilities on

[1:49:08] both the chief audit executive

[1:49:09] and the governing body. You

[1:49:11] sitting a city council

[1:49:13] standard. 6.1 requires the

[1:49:15] auditor to provide the board

[1:49:17] in our case City Council with

[1:49:18] all information necessary to

[1:49:19] establish internal audit

[1:49:20] mandate. Much of that mandate.

[1:49:23] As I mentioned, is already

[1:49:24] embedded in the city, charter

[1:49:26] and city code. But this

[1:49:27] document summarizes that for

[1:49:31] you. Standard. 6.2 goes

[1:49:32] further and requires the

[1:49:33] internal audit function to

[1:49:34] have a formal board approved

[1:49:37] internal audit charter and

[1:49:38] that at a minimum, it defines

[1:49:39] the purpose of internal

[1:49:41] auditing our commitment to a

[1:49:43] hearing to the global internal

[1:49:45] audit standards. Our mandate,

[1:49:46] which includes our authority,

[1:49:49] our scope and our service

[1:49:50] types. Your board

[1:49:52] responsibilities and our

[1:49:52] organizational position and

[1:49:54] reporting relationship. And

[1:49:56] then further standard 6.3

[1:49:59] requires that I provide to our

[1:50:00] board and to senior

[1:50:01] management, the information

[1:50:03] necessary to support and

[1:50:04] promote the recognition of the

[1:50:07] internal audit office. So

[1:50:08] while the city charter and the

[1:50:11] city code to find that

[1:50:12] mandate, document takes that a

[1:50:14] step further and helps us to

[1:50:14] define roles and

[1:50:15] responsibilities for each of

[1:50:20] those parties. There are some

[1:50:22] unique considerations with

[1:50:23] this internal audit charter.

[1:50:23] Now the Red Book or the Global

[1:50:26] Internal Audit Standards in

[1:50:28] Visions, a type of internal

[1:50:30] audit function in a MAY be

[1:50:33] executive session. Executives

[1:50:35] setting versus where we are,

[1:50:36] which is reporting to an

[1:50:37] elected body. A strong mayor

[1:50:41] form of government. Within

[1:50:42] this. I think it's helpful to

[1:50:46] set the standard that that the

[1:50:47] charter and the code and the

[1:50:48] Audit Committee ordinance,

[1:50:49] which we're going to talk

[1:50:51] about here in a minute are

[1:50:54] really kind of the foundation

[1:50:55] internal audit charter is not

[1:50:55] intended to change any of

[1:50:56] those. The none of the code.

[1:50:57] None of the charter. But it is

[1:51:01] to further define what those

[1:51:04] standards trying to achieve

[1:51:06] and the other thing and just

[1:51:07] as I mentioned it right off

[1:51:09] the requirements for you all

[1:51:10] as a board for Standard 6.1,

[1:51:13] 6.2 6.3. There are the

[1:51:15] equivalent of those 4 senior

[1:51:17] management. It would not be

[1:51:19] appropriate in this case for

[1:51:19] City Council. You think of

[1:51:21] this audit charter more like a

[1:51:21] contract between me as the

[1:51:23] city auditor and you as my

[1:51:26] board to put any requirements

[1:51:26] for senior management and

[1:51:27] chart you don't have the

[1:51:28] authority to do that. And so

[1:51:32] what I will propose to you is

[1:51:33] that after we get this

[1:51:35] internal audit charter through

[1:51:37] through a resolution with you

[1:51:38] all that I will be

[1:51:42] coordinating with the

[1:51:42] administrative side both

[1:51:44] utilities, the airport, other

[1:51:45] enterprises, the city of

[1:51:47] Springs proper with

[1:51:48] intergovernmental agreements

[1:51:49] or service level agreements

[1:51:50] that help solidify those same

[1:51:51] requirements that we have with

[1:51:53] the senior management. So much

[1:51:53] what I'm doing with you all

[1:51:58] today. In that same vein,

[1:52:01] there is also an audit

[1:52:01] committee ordinance that is

[1:52:03] very specific on the set up of

[1:52:05] audit committee. And that is

[1:52:07] aboard or a committee that

[1:52:08] respond to reports directly to

[1:52:09] city council. And so it would

[1:52:12] not be appropriate. 2 also at

[1:52:15] any changes in this charter

[1:52:16] that would govern that audit

[1:52:16] committee that should be done

[1:52:17] through ordinance changes. And

[1:52:19] mention a few of those that we

[1:52:20] MAY want to consider in the

[1:52:22] future.

[1:52:27] In terms of roles and

[1:52:30] responsibilities, which is

[1:52:31] really what this document

[1:52:32] helps to solidify beyond

[1:52:34] what's in the city code and

[1:52:36] city charter. And that is that

[1:52:37] City Council has the

[1:52:41] responsibility of approving

[1:52:43] the internal audit, charter

[1:52:43] review and supporting audit

[1:52:44] resource plans receiving

[1:52:46] required annual communications

[1:52:47] and resolving disagreements

[1:52:48] between the management. And so

[1:52:53] the auditor. There are some

[1:52:54] other key things starting on

[1:52:55] Page 7. The response. Well,

[1:52:57] these are the city auditor per

[1:52:59] the 24 global internal audit

[1:53:01] standards. These range from

[1:53:03] developing key deliverables to

[1:53:05] require communications and

[1:53:06] council has already observe

[1:53:07] Dupree implementation, if you

[1:53:10] will, of this charter over the

[1:53:12] last year council received a

[1:53:12] very early draft of this

[1:53:15] charter back in OCTOBER of 25.

[1:53:17] And we have loosely been

[1:53:19] trying to implement this

[1:53:19] charter to look for any gaps

[1:53:20] that we MAY find. So one

[1:53:22] example of that is not

[1:53:24] quarterly status update that

[1:53:24] you all have been receiving

[1:53:27] every quarter this year. And

[1:53:28] that's been helpful to just

[1:53:29] make sure that we haven't

[1:53:30] missed any major deliverables

[1:53:34] or anything in charter. And we

[1:53:35] we have a question for council

[1:53:36] intention. Thank you, MADAM

[1:53:37] PRESIDENT. Natalie, thank you

[1:53:39] for presenting this morning

[1:53:40] regarding the audit committee.

[1:53:43] Can you remind me?

[1:53:45] >> We have 2 citizen seats.

[1:53:46] That correct? 3 get the

[1:53:48] committee is made of 5 members

[1:53:49] to our council members and 3

[1:53:51] citizens. And then any

[1:53:52] alternates that the council

[1:53:53] MAY wish to okay in the

[1:53:53] citizen seats.

[1:53:56] >> What are the

[1:53:59] >> I guess in that charter or

[1:54:02] what is the charter for that

[1:54:03] committee of how long those

[1:54:05] members can sit in those

[1:54:06] seats.

[1:54:08] >> When it was created, it was

[1:54:09] started on a staggering. So

[1:54:10] the first member had only one

[1:54:12] year and then the second

[1:54:13] member had 2 years and that

[1:54:14] we're only replacing one

[1:54:16] citizen member every year. But

[1:54:18] once that's in place, it's I

[1:54:21] believe a three-year term. And

[1:54:21] I could.

[1:54:22] >> Double check that here.

[1:54:25] Real quickly, just forgive

[1:54:25] you.

[1:54:26] >> And additional three-year

[1:54:27] term. So their term limited

[1:54:28] for 2 three-year terms to 3

[1:54:30] terms.

[1:54:32] >> right. And just for

[1:54:32] reference in case you're

[1:54:33] looking ordinance, 13 dash,

[1:54:42] 32. Great Page 13. It starts

[1:54:43] to highlight City Council's

[1:54:45] oversight. I covered some of

[1:54:46] that in in those references to

[1:54:50] standard 6.1, 6.2 6.3, but me

[1:54:53] me, this is to remind Council

[1:54:54] of the role it plays is in

[1:54:55] ensuring the auditors office

[1:54:59] has the authority. It needs as

[1:55:00] and helps us all stay aligned

[1:55:01] to what the purpose of the

[1:55:03] internal audit function And

[1:55:05] then Page 14 highlights the

[1:55:09] audit committee's role only in

[1:55:09] so far as how it relates to

[1:55:11] the office receiving

[1:55:12] deliverables or communication

[1:55:17] with the city auditor oversee.

[1:55:19] And this is a very abbreviated

[1:55:21] summation of the deliverables

[1:55:22] and the reporting cadence that

[1:55:24] is found in that internal

[1:55:25] audit Charter and Exhibit b,

[1:55:29] it goes into a lot more detail

[1:55:30] looking for the action, the

[1:55:31] council to take the roles and

[1:55:32] responsibilities of the audit

[1:55:35] committee helping to really

[1:55:36] define what everybody's rules

[1:55:37] and responsibilities are to

[1:55:39] those major deliverables for

[1:55:44] office. And as I mentioned,

[1:55:46] going through this process, we

[1:55:50] did identify a handful of

[1:55:51] potential changes that this

[1:55:53] council MAY wish to consider

[1:55:57] in terms of changing audit

[1:55:59] committee structure.

[1:55:59] Administratively things and

[1:56:02] some of those examples came up

[1:56:02] in the last 2 years. I've

[1:56:03] spent a lot of time meeting

[1:56:04] with the citizen members of

[1:56:07] the audit committee so that

[1:56:10] they could advise this board

[1:56:11] and part of the ordinance

[1:56:12] requires that a council member

[1:56:15] be present in order to have a

[1:56:16] qorum. Maybe one consideration

[1:56:17] might be to allow the city

[1:56:21] auditor to meet with those

[1:56:22] citizens with and audit

[1:56:23] committee are and council

[1:56:25] member present, for example,

[1:56:26] it does address the frequency

[1:56:29] of meetings. But maybe we want

[1:56:33] to be more specific about

[1:56:34] those frequencies. Another

[1:56:35] consideration would be

[1:56:36] specific areas of expertise

[1:56:37] for the audit committee. So it

[1:56:40] might make sense for us to

[1:56:41] spend some time over the next

[1:56:42] year is an audit committee

[1:56:44] going through potential

[1:56:46] changes? Always a good time to

[1:56:48] look at it. It's been since

[1:56:49] 2013 when this ordinance was

[1:56:50] created. It's probably time

[1:56:51] for a refresh to make sure

[1:56:52] that this committee is doing

[1:56:53] still what this council

[1:56:57] wishes. I would propose if

[1:56:58] there is an interest in this

[1:57:02] that I bring suggested changes

[1:57:04] potential ordinance language

[1:57:04] to the sport sometime next

[1:57:11] year. And just a recap of our

[1:57:13] stakeholder process. I

[1:57:14] mentioned to you all that this

[1:57:15] council received a very early

[1:57:17] draft of this charter in their

[1:57:18] required annual communications

[1:57:21] back in OCTOBER of 2025. And

[1:57:22] then an updated version in

[1:57:25] MARCH of 2026. And my

[1:57:26] quarterly briefing to you And

[1:57:27] then the audit committee

[1:57:30] received a draft version of

[1:57:33] draft internal audit charter

[1:57:36] in JUNE of 26, we held a

[1:57:38] dedicated workshop with them

[1:57:41] on JULY 9th and then asked for

[1:57:41] a motion for their

[1:57:43] recommendation to this council

[1:57:44] for approval at the AUGUST

[1:57:45] meeting. And so they did

[1:57:49] provide that recommendation.

[1:57:52] And so looking at next if

[1:57:54] council wishes we would like

[1:57:56] to. I have this on the consent

[1:57:57] agenda for next regular

[1:58:01] council session of SEPTEMBER

[1:58:02] 22nd and where you'll

[1:58:03] considering a resolution for

[1:58:06] approving the internal and

[1:58:08] then again, council desires

[1:58:09] and 27. The city auditor to

[1:58:10] work with the Council audit

[1:58:11] committee to recommend

[1:58:12] changes. If any, to the

[1:58:15] structure administration.

[1:58:16] Relook at the ordinance that

[1:58:19] established U.S.. And then I

[1:58:21] would be remiss not pointing

[1:58:23] out that we also administer

[1:58:24] the city's fraud, waste and

[1:58:27] abuse hotline. And so for

[1:58:28] anybody who's interested there

[1:58:29] is the contact information for

[1:58:30] us and they can take any

[1:58:35] questions you might have.

[1:58:40] COUNCILMAN Williams. Thank

[1:58:43] PRESIDENT. Somewhere in there

[1:58:44] you had disagreements between

[1:58:46] management and the auditor.

[1:58:50] >> What is the definition

[1:58:50] >> Yes, that's that's a great

[1:58:51] question. And that's required

[1:58:53] by our code. It's escalation

[1:58:54] process that we have are that

[1:58:56] we're required to have and so

[1:58:59] an example of that might be

[1:59:00] risk base. Let's say that we

[1:59:03] go through an audit process

[1:59:04] and we control that needs to

[1:59:06] be fixed. That we make a

[1:59:07] recommendation and management

[1:59:08] comes back and says to us know

[1:59:12] if we cannot implement that or

[1:59:13] we refuse I MAY work with them

[1:59:16] to say that risk is still too

[1:59:18] great. Let's say we All right.

[1:59:18] Recommendation that works.

[1:59:20] That's where we would come

[1:59:21] before this council to the

[1:59:22] definition of management is

[1:59:24] whoever you're auditing.

[1:59:26] That's correct. So that that's

[1:59:29] a very broad term in our

[1:59:30] standards. Management is be on

[1:59:31] just what you would think of

[1:59:32] as an executive us that

[1:59:37] anybody that packed. Have it

[1:59:41] is in place with us.

[1:59:42] >> That's why you're proposing

[1:59:44] them as do. I understand

[1:59:45] correctly. That is correct. We

[1:59:46] do not currently have them in

[1:59:46] place and it could be

[1:59:47] something as simple as

[1:59:49] administratively. When we

[1:59:51] >> issue an audit at the

[1:59:53] conclusion we asked for

[1:59:54] management responses. We would

[1:59:56] like for them to return. Those

[1:59:56] management responses in a

[1:59:59] timely fashion and we also

[2:00:00] then commit to getting them to

[2:00:02] them in a timely fashion. Some

[2:00:02] looking to put a little more

[2:00:06] structure around that going

[2:00:09] forward. And I'm look at the

[2:00:09] attorney, but I'm not sure how

[2:00:13] we have an ig with ourselves

[2:00:13] because we're at the seam

[2:00:14] government. So maybe ammo.

[2:00:18] Might be some sort of

[2:00:20] agreement that, you know,

[2:00:21] really solidifies management's

[2:00:22] commitment to supporting our

[2:00:24] office so that we can rule and

[2:00:32] Okay, thank you. Seen of the

[2:00:33] questions. Can I separate

[2:00:36] them? Consent.

[2:00:37] >> We've got that on consent

[2:00:42] for the 22nd. Thank you.

[2:00:43] >> Moving on to item will the

[2:00:44] clerk please read item 10:00am

[2:00:48] to the record.

[2:00:48] >> a position about a state

[2:00:51] travels for Councilmembers

[2:00:52] Council goal.

[2:00:53] >> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,

[2:00:57] requesting authorization for

[2:00:58] out of state travel for and

[2:00:59] I'll see NOVEMBER NOVEMBER

[2:01:00] 19th 21019th, both

[2:01:02] councilmember Remy and I have

[2:01:04] a desire to attend. And yeah,

[2:01:08] that's it.

[2:01:09] >> So you're asking for

[2:01:10] yourself or and COUNCILMAN

[2:01:13] Draining. Are you also asking

[2:01:17] >> Could you ask us?

[2:01:19] >> Yes, cause rainy requesting

[2:01:20] permission from this council

[2:01:22] to attend the Nlc. The 19 to

[2:01:27] the 21st. COUNCILMAN Drizzly.

[2:01:28] I'm just curious what the cost

[2:01:33] of that is.

[2:01:34] >> believe the cause currently

[2:01:37] was somewhere around the $3400

[2:01:41] mark and that includes travel

[2:01:41] lodging. Yeah, registration

[2:01:45] airline hotel or dm at the to

[2:01:46] be around. 34 the lowest

[2:01:51] around. 28. Thanks.

[2:01:55] >> The council and also.

[2:01:56] >> Yeah, thanks, MADAM

[2:01:56] PRESIDENT. I guess I should

[2:02:00] add in here that. I guess I

[2:02:01] need permission to go to

[2:02:01] Huntsville for with chamber

[2:02:10] trip down there.

[2:02:11] >> to have a crack requests

[2:02:13] from and Allison to travel to

[2:02:13] Huntsville with the Chamber

[2:02:14] edc in the fall. And

[2:02:18] COUNCILMAN. Rainy and cold for

[2:02:20] some conference. It's a thumbs

[2:02:20] up.

[2:02:25] >> If you are in support. It

[2:02:26] looks like he will be

[2:02:30] traveling.

[2:02:30] >> That concludes MADAM

[2:02:34] PRESIDENT. I'll just add that.

[2:02:35] >> What is our source type in

[2:02:35] that we get to use for this

[2:02:38] kind of trips, a forgotten.

[2:02:41] >> Around a council member.

[2:02:42] >> You know, I went out for

[2:02:42] that American defense

[2:02:46] communities thing in dc. And I

[2:02:47] went up Colorado Municipal

[2:02:52] League in Denver. So I don't

[2:02:53] have money from plane tickets,

[2:02:54] but I'm going to buy him out

[2:02:55] of my own pocket unless

[2:02:56] there's a kind person sitting

[2:02:59] up here at the Dias who wants

[2:03:01] to basically give me a little

[2:03:02] piece of their stipend to

[2:03:04] cover my plane ticket.

[2:03:06] >> So if you can convince a

[2:03:07] councilmember to do that, they

[2:03:09] just need to send me an e-mail

[2:03:10] requesting that they are

[2:03:10] giving you some money out of

[2:03:11] their bucket and

[2:03:14] >> we will then.

[2:03:15] >> The forward with ok,

[2:03:19] appreciate it. Thank you.

[2:03:20] >> This does conclude our work

[2:03:23] session meeting for today. We

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