[0:00] [clears throat] >> Good evening everyone. We had a little

[0:04] bit of inconvenience today, so we have a late start. So, thank you all for your

[0:08] patience. We are manually recording this and we will post it to our website so

[0:14] all the residents can be part of the meeting and we'll take questions

[0:20] email afterwards.

[0:24] They won't hear me. So, they won't have questions. So, it'll

[0:27] be afterwards we can answer those questions.

[0:30] Um so, good evening everyone. Today is August 5th. It is our August work

[0:34] session. Let's get started by calling to order.

[0:41] » Yeah, Councilmember Laskey. >> Present.

[0:43] » Councilmember Sarno. >> Here.

[0:45] » Councilmember Rhea. >> Here.

[0:47] » Councilmember Allen will note his absence for the record. Councilmember

[0:50] Fry. >> Here.

[0:52] » Vice President Kingsley. >> Here.

[0:53] » President Sanalax. >> Here.

[0:55] » And we'll note that Mayor Aronson is absent for the record as well. Great,

[0:59] thank you. All right, we'll start off with a couple

[1:02] announcements. So, prior to this meeting Borough Council held an executive

[1:06] session and we spoke about property, personnel,

[1:11] and legal matters. Before we get started, it looks like we

[1:16] did receive one public comment following our July 15th week public meeting.

[1:22] Steph, would you mind reading that public comment into our record for me?

[1:26] » Yes, this is from Alyssa Kelly. She actually emailed this to the mayor and

[1:30] the mayor passed it along. So, I'm going to read this on her behalf. So, she is a

[1:35] resident, a mom of three young daughters, and she wanted to share an

[1:39] idea that she thought would be an incredible addition to our community,

[1:41] which is a splash pad. And she noted that one of the big

[1:45] reasons her family loves living here is how walkable and family-friendly the

[1:49] town is. We spend so much time walking through our parks, playgrounds,

[1:52] businesses, and the events. It's one of the things that makes this town so

[1:55] special. It's a big reason so many families, including ours, want to stay

[1:58] here long term. She felt a splash pad would be a natural

[2:02] extension of everything our town already does so well. It would give families a

[2:05] free, safe place to cool off during the summer without having to travel to

[2:08] neighboring communities or pay admission to a pool. It also would It also create

[2:12] another gathering place where neighbors can connect and children can play

[2:15] together. As a mom of three children, I know firsthand how families

[2:19] are looking for activities that are close to home. Our girls already love

[2:22] walking to our parks. I can only imagine how much joy a splash

[2:26] pad would bring, not just to them, but to the countless other children in our

[2:29] community. It would quickly become a destination for residents of all ages

[2:32] and would further strengthen our town's reputation as one of the best places to

[2:35] raise a family. I hope the council will consider adding

[2:38] a splash pad to future community improvement plans. I truly would believe

[2:42] it would be an investment that families would enjoy for generations to

[2:51] reinforce why so many of us choose to stay here.

[2:55] She just wanted to thank you for uh for your time and your direction.

[2:58] » Thank you. >> You're welcome.

[3:01] » All right. Um

[3:12] Any public comment related to any agenda items before we get started?

[3:19] Okay. Hearing nothing, we'll go right into our

[3:21] agenda and we'll start with land use matters public hearing ordinances.

[3:26] So, the first item is a presentation on the

[3:29] preliminary/final major subdivision and land development

[3:34] application for the Maple Street development project, 1838

[3:41] 4016 Maple Street, Mecca Properties LLC as the applicant.

[3:48] » Hello. >> Good evening.

[3:49] » How are you? >> I'm representing the applicant,

[3:52] Mecca Properties LLC. Okay. Christian Marilla right here and

[3:57] members of that LLC. On the first floor of LLC is Walgreen.

[4:01] Susan White is the engineer from SDA engineering.

[4:05] And we're here to discuss the rebuild that

[4:09] we're doing in the fourth ward now foundation.

[4:13] Building single family detached homes on the

[4:15] back of the property line. Four new town houses

[4:20] on this application through the Indian South Valley

[4:27] I'm choosing to represent the land on Walgreen site of the property.

[4:32] I will also have a number of waivers that we're asking for

[4:35] for our project.

[4:38] We have been before the zoning hearing board and obtained the necessary zoning

[4:41] relief. And we're before any commission for our

[4:45] future recommendations.

[4:49] » This is a very

[4:52] So, the project consists of two

[4:55] residential buildings and four

[4:58] garages. And the

[5:00] existing homes are uh there is

[5:04] uh three town homes on that corner. So, the idea is to take those down exactly

[5:09] and replace them. Uh and then right next door to those

[5:13] three town homes is a vacant lot which will be a single family dwelling. And

[5:19] then behind it um with access up through Wood Street um

[5:26] off of Elm is the recycling facility. So, that is the existing Yeah, correct.

[5:32] Existing building uh existing recycling facility in the back that takes access

[5:37] from Elm Street up to up Wood through the alley

[5:41] um and that it's that driveway exists now. So, we're looking to use that

[5:47] driveway to then access what would be 12 town homes in the back.

[5:52] Um there's uh

[5:54] reconfiguring of lots to to make this happen.

[5:59] Um and the recycling facility will then be turned into the the 12 uh

[6:06] townhouse units and then the um the the lots that are fronting Maple Street will

[6:13] have a consistent backyard that runs straight through to First Avenue.

[6:19] Um consistent with the the other lots that are on that um

[6:23] that block. Um

[6:26] the the townhouses proposed will face the

[6:31] street. Um there will be sidewalk on both sides of

[6:35] that street. There's a sidewalk then that will continue down and can make a

[6:41] connect connect pedestrian connection to the sidewalk that is in the alley that

[6:47] um extends into um Elm Street. There is a turnaround for

[6:53] your emergency vehicles. And there's also some additional um

[6:59] visitor parking that the road had requested that we consider.

[7:05] That's really it. Uh oh, sorry, I forgot one other thing.

[7:09] You see there's an L um shaped um piece that you see that takes you from Maple

[7:16] Street over to First Avenue, a backward L I should say. That is a uh intended to

[7:22] be a pedestrian path that connects these two

[7:25] uh streets and it also connects both rows of 12 townhouses.

[7:32] » And the zoning hearing the resident talked about accessing the back

[7:37] of those townhouses from Maple Street. So, in an informal way, he comes down

[7:42] our property. I mean, who would be behind this?

[7:45] So, it makes sense that we would work with him to come up with a more formal

[7:49] way to get to the back of the house. So, what we're proposing now is to create

[7:52] that walking trail from First Avenue up to Main Street

[7:56] to be utilized by the residents of the three new houses

[8:00] and the single family home, all the properties that are blocked at

[8:04] the way on Main Street and the old alley to the

[8:07] new town alley on Main Street, which would be the

[8:11] And then we would have a paved walking trail.

[8:15] I'm not overlooking the property. >> Could you just go back a second?

[8:22] » Does Hanes Hollister Park anywhere in that space?

[8:26] » Is what? >> The Hanes Hollister Park.

[8:30] » The back in the bottom, yes. >> Down in the bottom, yes.

[8:32] » Mhm. >> Yes.

[8:34] » What side is >> Um if you go I guess the aerial will be

[8:38] » which which shows >> Yeah.

[8:41] » Will that be a street for access? >> Yeah.

[8:46] So, that wooded area there is the park. Right at the end of what the what's

[8:52] labeled Wood Street is where the park is, yeah.

[8:56] » So, what we talked about was creating a parking area

[8:59] on the Hanes Hollister property. It would be open to the public and as I

[9:04] discussed before, it would be parking for our town houses, which would access

[9:08] through the existing Wood Street for the access to the

[9:11] existing facility. It was suggested at the planning

[9:15] commission that we put a fence around that. There was a little bit of a slope

[9:18] issue. We agreed to

[9:23] And that would create more parking for the park

[9:26] as well. And a sidewalk down through

[9:28] Elm Street for access. >> So, that 20-ft alley that also Uh, that

[9:35] serves to uh

[9:37] provide access to the the homes that front on Elm Street.

[9:41] Uh It's It's sort of a street shot behind

[9:44] them. But, you can see that the the driveway access to the recycling

[9:48] facility kind of hangs off to the left and goes up the hill.

[9:52] Um and in that area there, we are going to

[9:56] do some restriping uh to kind of designate some additional

[10:02] parking spaces. That may be there already. People might be using that, but

[10:06] it'll be a little bit more defined in that area so that folks can park along

[10:11] that alley. As well. And then um

[10:15] » [clears throat] >> up where we have that emergency access

[10:18] turnaround, um they suggested the bureau suggested

[10:22] we also add some parking there.

[10:29] » The planning commission had made some recommendations.

[10:33] Um are you willing to meet all the

[10:35] recommendations? >> Well, it depends what they are.

[10:39] Well, the fencing was we were okay with. The initial that uh

[10:43] floodgate maybe. You know, on Elm Street with some

[10:46] flooding issues down there, that's okay. They were talking about a secondary

[10:51] access to the property. Uh we were not in favor of that. We do

[10:55] have the fire marshal's review letter which indicates that he's satisfied with

[10:59] the ability to access the property.

[11:04] » This quick question.

[11:07] I'm not from that familiar with this area, so I might be asking a dumb

[11:10] question. That park right there, it would seem

[11:14] that there's a good amount of traffic that's going to come in and out of there

[11:18] with the alley, or is that not Am I not seeing that correctly? Like that alley,

[11:22] there seems to be parking there. Is that Is that like right up against the park

[11:26] right there? I'm just trying to get a visual.

[11:28] » It'll be on the park. >> It is.

[11:30] » Okay. >> It is.

[11:32] Yes. Ralph. You've heard before here that the recycling traffic down in that

[11:37] space has been a challenge to put kids down there.

[11:41] » Yeah, that's that's what I'm that's what I was driving at because I'm not I'm not

[11:44] familiar with that park because we don't really go there that much on the other

[11:47] on the other side of town. But, is there anything blocking the park

[11:51] from like that traffic area? I don't Again, I don't know. I'm asking.

[11:55] Does anybody know that? >> No, there's nothing.

[11:59] There's nothing there. >> Okay.

[12:02] » But, the residents who's homes currently face Elm Street, they do park their cars

[12:08] they come down that that

[12:10] Wood Street and they park behind their homes. I

[12:12] understand that. >> Yes.

[12:14] » So, but the but the road is still wide enough for

[12:17] people to get by. Is that correct?

[12:19] » Yes. Tractor-trailers and trucks get by

[12:23] there, I don't know. >> And you're you're recommending putting

[12:27] up an actual walking path where the kids so that people would not have

[12:30] » It's actually sidewalk. It's sidewalk. >> It's sidewalk, yeah.

[12:35] Yeah, which is an enhancement to what it had doesn't have

[12:39] today. >> There's actually a sidewalk um

[12:42] that kind of comes in off of Elm Street up Wood Street for a little bit and then

[12:48] so we're just going to keep extending that, bring it across that alley, and

[12:52] then run it up the driveway that goes up to the recycling.

[12:56] Right around where the D is on Wood Street is kind of where the sidewalk

[13:00] stops. Um so, we're going to continue it out of

[13:03] cross over the alley, and then run it alongside the driveway up to the

[13:11] Yeah, yeah. >> So, my question for you, you mentioned

[13:16] flooding. So, right now and for people who aren't familiar with

[13:19] this area, where that recycling area where the homes are going to go is up on

[13:23] a hill. That hill, whatever the cause is,

[13:26] there's flooding that comes down into the back of the homes along Wood Street.

[13:32] What in your engineering, flood management, water management is going to

[13:36] be done about that? Cuz something has to be done in that area.

[13:38] » Sure. So, uh number one, the existing impervious

[13:44] on our property on its own is going to be slightly reduced. Um all of the

[13:49] macadam and the um the buildings and stuff on the recycling

[13:53] area will come down. It will be replaced by some impervious, but there's also

[13:58] going to be a lot more green area that is in the backyards that are kind of up

[14:02] against those houses that are in along the alley. So, um we're going to grade

[14:08] swales so that the water is not kind of leaving the property and impacting those

[14:13] folks, and it'll come down um the driveway, the alley, the

[14:17] the that it like it normally does. Um but we are also putting in some

[14:22] stormwater management that will also get some of that um gray water back into the

[14:27] ground. Uh we are applying for our MPDES permit, so the county is going to be

[14:32] looking at this rigorous rigorous rigorously, and we are meeting our

[14:37] stormwater management ordinance. We're not increasing flow.

[14:41] » Would you say that you're you'd be improving stormwater management on this

[14:45] property? >> Your ordinance requires it, so yes, we

[14:49] are. >> I might have misunderstood. I thought

[14:51] the flooding was was at the back of the creek, not

[14:54] Uh I'm not sure. Right? We have a hill, we

[14:57] have an area that floods below the storm sewer. That's

[15:01] » Well, yeah. I mean >> That's why we have you, right?

[15:03] » Yes. Yeah.

[15:08] » And we have we received the Pennoni and Gilmore review letters, which were in

[15:11] full compliance with the situation right now.

[15:15] » So, I think I heard in total 16 units. >> Yes.

[15:20] » Three townhouses. 12 townhomes and then a single one.

[15:26] Single. >> Correct.

[15:28] But you're knocking down three. >> Uh I'm replacing them.

[15:33] » Right. >> Right.

[15:34] » And are they currently occupied those three?

[15:36] » They're not. >> They they were built a long time ago and

[15:40] they're on a stone foundations and they're not all

[15:43] the same size. >> Yeah.

[15:45] » So going through the review of staff will recommend that maybe we

[15:49] tear them all down 18-ft wide and one foundations for the three.

[15:54] I mean what we presented was a >> She has a

[15:57] a view of what a rendering of what she was seeing

[16:00] for that area. That's that's kind of what

[16:05] they're envisioning for the that replacement.

[16:09] Um the one on the left is the single on the new vacant lot.

[16:15] And you'll notice that that has a front entry garage onto First Avenue.

[16:20] » You did get a variance to allow that. There is already a depression out there

[16:23] where >> I was going to say there's a curb cut

[16:25] already. >> There is a curb cut there already.

[16:31] » Will all those townhouses have

[16:34] be able to park next to their house or will some people have to be a little bit

[16:37] removed and walk in? >> Well First Avenue does have parking

[16:43] perpendicular parking along there. And once we finish up I think there's

[16:49] actually right now one of the buildings that is

[16:52] on that first lot has a driveway access onto First Avenue

[16:57] and that'll go away when all this is done. So you'll gain maybe two possibly

[17:02] three parking spaces on First Avenue as well. And then there is parking out

[17:06] front.

[17:13] » Does anyone have any other questions for the project?

[17:19] Okay.

[17:22] Thank you. >> Did you um did you need us to go through

[17:25] the waivers or no? >> You can go through them.

[17:28] » Yeah. Yeah, okay. >> Council

[17:32] Council is aware of all of them, obviously, but we were fine through.

[17:35] » Okay, sure. Um

[17:38] the first waiver is to that uh your ordinance requires existing features

[17:43] within 100 ft of the site you provided. Um we've shown

[17:48] a a a

[17:50] a decent amount of impervious I mean existing features, but uh we also

[17:54] provided aerials so that you can have a a

[17:57] wider view of things. Uh number two, which requires separate preliminary and

[18:00] final plan submissions. Uh we don't have a lot of permits and approvals, and this

[18:05] is basically your final plan, so uh we're asking for a preliminary final

[18:10] approval. Uh number three talks um

[18:13] require your ordinance prohibits dead-end streets, so you saw that we had

[18:18] a dead-end street, and it's just because of the topography and the way it's

[18:21] situated and how we need to access. So, in order to offset that dead-end street,

[18:27] we did um talk to your emergency services and provided that turnaround

[18:31] for them. Uh number four prohibits driveways and

[18:34] driveway curb cuts within the front yard setback. Again, because of the way the

[18:40] property is situated and how we need to access, we had to put the um garages for

[18:45] the townhomes in the front yard, so that is why we need driveways and curb cuts

[18:51] in the front yard. Uh number five requires sidewalk along

[18:56] the private street to be placed 4 ft from the curb line. Um

[19:00] we have some uh the again, because of the the the way

[19:04] the lot is set up, we needed to place that um sidewalk right up against the

[19:09] curb. Uh it is there. It's right Oh, sorry, up against the edge of the

[19:14] street. So, you'll have edge of the street, then you'll have your sidewalk,

[19:18] and then you'll have your driveway. Um, number six prohibits grading within

[19:24] 3 ft of the property and right-of-way lines. Again, because of the way this

[19:28] property exists, we have uh, some of the existing buildings are built right up to

[19:34] the property line. Some of them even go over them. So, we're going to need to

[19:37] obtain some construction easements so that we can get onto everyone's property

[19:41] to demolish everything properly and and regrade.

[19:45] Uh, number seven, which requires street, uh, shade trees be planted no more than

[19:50] 30 ft apart at a minimum distance of 5 ft inside the lot lines. We're asking

[19:54] for a waiver to not provide the street trees, um, in the new street because of

[19:59] the way we have the sidewalk and the driveways that are being set up. We

[20:02] don't have that, um, grass area to plant in. And, um,

[20:08] for along Maple Street, we have two existing street trees. It would require

[20:12] more, but again, there's sidewalk out there and there's really nowhere to put

[20:16] those trees. Uh, number eight, which requires

[20:19] multi-family development uses to be screened along the areas adjacent to

[20:23] other properties with 6-ft high plantings. Um, we have those 6-ft high

[20:29] plantings along the rear yards, so it would be up against First Avenue and up

[20:33] against those properties that are facing Elm Street. But, for the two, but for

[20:38] the ends, the ones that are sort of, um, behind the ones on Maple Street and for,

[20:44] um, the ones that are facing the park and stuff, but uh, there

[20:48] topography, um, infrastructure, we have retaining

[20:52] walls, we have, um, um, paths and stuff. We just can't fit

[20:57] in those plantings and still make them thrive and be healthy with all the, uh,

[21:02] infrastructure that we need to install. Um, number nine requires park and

[21:07] recreational facilities. We're just asking for a waiver to provide a fee in

[21:11] lieu of those facilities.

[21:15] » And that street between the 12 unit townhouses will be a private street

[21:19] maintained by the homeowner's association that's what we're creating.

[21:36] » And you're not removing any trees in any of this construction, correct?

[21:42] » There's slight >> Oh, wait. Wait. We are. Sorry.

[21:45] I apologize. >> Where the turnaround is, there are some

[21:48] trees. >> Trees that are down below.

[21:51] » Actually on borough property. >> So we're

[21:55] trees out there top of the hill. So we're looking at this drawing and many

[21:58] of those are older trees.

[22:01] » Right. >> Ours.

[22:02] » Yes. >> What are you considering to remove?

[22:07] I don't have to pick out each tree, right?

[22:10] I'm wondering, you know, we don't have half of it, 75%, 10%?

[22:14] » No, there's there's like one, two, three, four, five. There's six

[22:18] trees that go along that driveway that are in the way of the pedestrian path

[22:23] that we need to get. >> Okay.

[22:25] » And where the turnaround is, too. >> Where the turn

[22:27] » The emergency turnaround, that's where the bigger trees are.

[22:30] » There are some trees in there, yes. Sorry.

[22:33] » Would it be safe to say that the majority are staying?

[22:36] » Yes, the majority are staying. >> They are on borough property, not ours

[22:39] anyway. >> You can still take credit.

[22:45] » Actually, whatever we need to get the turnaround in in the parking.

[22:48] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[22:51] Okay, thank you. >> In addition,

[22:54] you have the other trees that would be coming out there once it

[22:57] they surround firm that we put in years ago for the

[23:01] neighbors. They're all large varieties that are um

[23:06] that have to come out for the >> Walking path.

[23:09] » The not the walking path, the behind Maple Street. We need that

[23:13] access. There's all There's all trees planted there now.

[23:21] » So, you're removing trees, we're not adding these. You're asking for some

[23:26] leeway for for not adding. >> Well, we we are we are adding trees

[23:31] along the rear lines. >> Okay.

[23:33] » So, you're putting trees back. >> Yes.

[23:35] » Right. Right. We are. >> There's There's um at these, there's 26

[23:39] trees being in addition. So, >> So, you might be taking out five to

[23:44] seven, but you're putting in 26. >> Correct.

[23:47] » Thank you.

[23:56] Any other questions?

[24:01] Thank you. There's no vote tonight,

[24:03] » Correct. >> Thank you.

[24:06] » Thank you very much for taking time to show

[24:09] and explain. >> Uh the normal process is we'll put

[24:12] together a draft resolution and send it to you for next week.

[24:17] » Okay, great. >> [clears throat]

[24:23] » Thank you. >> All right. Thank you very much.

[24:25] » Thank you. >> Thanks.

[24:28] Moving to the next agenda item, it's under presentations. Um so, we're going

[24:34] to discuss bids received for the community shuttle service renewal for

[24:38] the RFP. Um I'll invite Caitlin Valeri from GVF GVF to the podium, please.

[24:47] » Hello. Uh my name is Caitlin Valeri, I'm from GVF. Just as a reminder, we're a

[24:52] transportation management association. We were founded in 1990, and we're a

[24:55] nonprofit organization. Um we've been partnering with the

[24:59] Borough of Conshohocken on various projects for over 30 years.

[25:03] Um and we also have over 30 years of shuttle management experience including

[25:07] 1 million trips for Fortune 500 companies, universities, national parks,

[25:11] and local governments. So just as a reminder, um the RFP was

[25:16] advertised on June 19th for a 2-year contract with three optional 1-year

[25:20] renewals and the due date for the proposals was July 24th, 2026.

[25:27] We received two complete proposals, Transdev and Craft Transportation. And

[25:31] just a few quick comparisons and then I'll get into the financials.

[25:35] Um Transdev, they both have a 14-passenger vehicle.

[25:38] Um Transdev has a propane-fueled vehicle, that's the current Conshohocken

[25:42] cab. Craft Transportation will be gasoline-powered.

[25:46] They both offer Wi-Fi and tracking software included in the proposal.

[25:51] Um and when I get into the numbers, just keep in mind that Craft Transportation

[25:55] did look to see what the current tracking software was and included that

[25:58] software in the proposal. So that's the BusWhere app. So they included keeping

[26:03] the tracking the same and as did Transdev. Um both vehicles include bike

[26:07] racks and they are ADA compliant as per the RFP.

[26:10] Um so just as a reference, um the 2026 contract for the cab, the

[26:16] daily rate for Wednesday through Saturday when it's running 11:00 to

[26:21] 11:00 is $942.16 and on Sundays when it's a shorter day,

[26:26] it's $490.08. The total contract for 2026 was about

[26:33] just shy of $251,000. So um I believe that you have the

[26:38] numbers in front of you, is that correct?

[26:40] Okay. So I just wanted to make sure. So Transdev, um it's a 4% increase from the

[26:45] current contract um if you're considering the daily rate.

[26:48] Um the longer days would be $980.16 and Sundays are $490.08.

[26:55] And the total contract cost is just shy shy of $261,000.

[27:01] When you compare Kraft Transportation for 2027,

[27:05] um the daily rate for Wednesday through Saturday on the

[27:09] longer days is $1,187, and the Sundays are $690.

[27:17] And the yearly cost in the Kraft proposal is just shy of $322,000

[27:22] for the year. Um so, do you look at the 5 years

[27:26] totally proposed? Transdev is an increase of 4% on the daily rate for

[27:30] each year. Um Kraft Transportation is an increase of 3% on the daily rate.

[27:36] Um for Transdev, the Wi-Fi is $660 for the year, and the tracking software is

[27:42] $2,100 for the year. Um there's no charge for the Wi-Fi on

[27:47] the Kraft Transportation vehicle. The same tracking software is $3,600 for the

[27:52] year. So, if you compare those, we add the Wi-Fi where it's no cost for Kraft,

[27:57] but $660 for Transdev. Transdev, the total Wi-Fi plus tracking is $2,760

[28:03] for the year, and um Kraft, the total is $3,600 even. So,

[28:10] um would you like me to get into any of the

[28:14] other numbers for each the additional years?

[28:17] » Yes, please. >> Okay. So, for year two, um

[28:22] if I'm looking at Transdev, it's a 4% increase from year one. The daily rate

[28:26] for Wednesday through Saturday is $1,019.36.

[28:30] For Sunday, it's $509.68 for a total contract cost of

[28:36] $273,552.98.

[28:41] Um for the same year for Kraft Transportation, Wednesday through

[28:45] Saturday, the daily rate is $1,223. And for Sunday, it's $711.

[28:51] The total contract cost is $334,440.05.

[28:59] Um for the optional renewal years, for year three,

[29:03] the daily rate for Transnet is $1,060. And then $530 for Sundays.

[29:10] Total contract cost $284,000 $284

[29:15] $349,000. And then for Craft Transportation,

[29:20] sorry, I'm looking over two pages here. The daily rate is $1,260

[29:25] for the

[29:28] for the shorter days, with a total contract cost of $344,241.50.

[29:37] For year four, another optional renewal year,

[29:40] Transnet $1,102.40 for Wednesday through Saturday, which

[29:45] again are the longer days. For Sundays, $551.20.

[29:51] Total contract cost $293,000 $710.92.

[29:57] For Craft Transportation, um

[30:00] for Wednesday through Saturday, $1,299.

[30:04] For Sundays, $756. And then yearly cost

[30:16] $80. And then finally year five, which is the

[30:19] last year of the optional renewal, Wednesday through Saturday for Transnet,

[30:24] $1,146.56

[30:27] for the longer days, $573.28 for the shorter days, with the total

[30:33] contract cost of $305,365.

[30:38] $85. And then for Crafts, for Wednesday

[30:41] through Saturday, $1,339. And then for Sunday, $779 with a total

[30:47] contract cost of $363,417.75.

[30:53] Um, a couple of other things that I wanted to note is that the Wi-Fi and

[30:56] tracking software costs for both proposals does not go up. It stays the

[31:01] same for all five proposed years. And um

[31:06] there's also included the cost for removing the existing Contra Costa Cab

[31:11] branding on the Transnet vehicle, which would be $300 at any time that you would

[31:15] choose to do so. And then if you wanted to re-wrap it with a half wrap, which

[31:19] only goes like up halfway up the vehicle, it's $2,800.

[31:24] And the full wrap is $4,400. And then for the CAT transportation

[31:29] vehicle, the half wrap is $4,500 and the full wrap is $6,000. And that's a

[31:32] one-time cost for whenever it

[31:36] should it happen. But I will say that the wraps are pretty

[31:39] pretty sturdy. They last for a long time, but

[31:42] Um, and then also one other thing to note is that you may notice on the

[31:46] spreadsheet that there's different day numbers in each year. I went through and

[31:50] pulled out all of the holidays that fall on days that CATS run. So for example,

[31:55] the CAT doesn't run on Thanksgiving, so I removed that Thursday from the list.

[31:59] So that's why there's some different days.

[32:02] Like if if um

[32:04] Christmas falls on a Monday, the CAT wouldn't run on that day anyway. So

[32:07] that's why like some of the years say 204 days instead of say 205 or 206.

[32:15] » I'm sorry. You spit out a lot of information.

[32:18] » Sorry. >> Um, so it is a agreement for 3 years

[32:26] with an optional year 4 and 5. Is that what you said?

[32:29] » It's an agreement for 2 years with an optional year 3, 4, and 5. And those are

[32:33] individual um

[32:35] individual 1-year renewals.

[32:58] So, it's basically a 12,000 if we stay with Trans Stat. It's about a $12,000

[33:05] increase >> from the current.

[33:07] » for the two years over the current. >> So, for the first year, it's about

[33:15] It's just under 10,000 increase the first year, and then it's

[33:19] about a a 13,000 increase from year >> one to year two of that contract year.

[33:31] » Do any of you have any questions?

[33:40] All right. Again, no vote this evening, just information.

[33:45] Thank you. >> Thank you very much.

[33:46] » Thank you.

[33:55] » Next item on our agenda this evening is a discussion on our Second Avenue

[33:59] Pedestrian Safety Improvement Project. I will invite Brian up to the podium,

[34:05] and um I would you mind going over what you have to show us this evening.

[34:10] » Um >> [clears throat]

[34:11] » sure. Uh good evening, everyone. Uh as you may recall, uh the borough received

[34:16] a grant uh from PennDOT to improve the safety of Second Avenue

[34:21] um several months ago. Uh what Britney has put up on the screen

[34:24] is the current plan. Um this plan uh will include

[34:29] high-visibility crosswalks, uh signage, uh as well as an overhead flashing

[34:34] warning device, uh and side-mounted warning devices. So,

[34:38] it'll be very similar to what we already have at Fourth

[34:41] uh and Seventh. Um

[34:44] And that second page is really a rendering or a detail of what the signs

[34:48] and and the flashers will look like. But,

[34:50] um effectively, uh this uh will consist of two mast arms uh overhead uh to show

[34:57] um or to display the rapid the rapid flashing beacons in both directions

[35:01] along with associated uh pedestrian push buttons

[35:05] um and uh as I mentioned, the pavement markings and signage. So, this plan is

[35:09] currently uh under review by PennDOT. Uh we expect any comments and or approval

[35:15] in the next uh week to 2 weeks, uh after which, once we address any

[35:19] comments if there are any, we'll be ready to advertise it for bids.

[35:23] Uh so, I expect that to occur uh probably in the next uh you know, 4

[35:27] to 8 week time frame. We'll be ready for that to occur.

[35:32] Um so, brief update. But, with that, any questions or any um

[35:36] other information I can provide, certainly can answer any.

[35:40] » On the left-hand side um of your screen, is that a center

[35:45] island? Is that traffic calming? Is that what that is?

[35:48] » That's actually the existing painted median that leads down towards First.

[35:52] So, that's all that's existing. That's already there.

[35:55] Yeah. So, there's there's no real curb work or changes with this project. Uh

[35:59] we're just going to use the existing curb bump-outs uh that are already on

[36:03] the east side of uh Adams and Second.

[36:09] » You want to have any other questions?

[36:15] Okay. Thank you.

[36:16] » Thank you.

[36:23] » All right. Next item on our agenda this evening is to consider approving the

[36:27] purchase of 680 Caldwell Lane, which owned by RTI Caldwell LLC.

[36:34] That parcel ID is 49-00-02707-00-7.

[36:42] Um and we're looking to consider approving a resolution, which would be

[36:48] 2026-11, that would authorize the purchase/transfer of ownership of the

[36:53] property. Before we get started, I'm going to

[36:56] invite Ray up to the podium um and Frank Perry to present the

[37:03] plans for this property, and then Mike Peters will discuss the resolution and

[37:09] sales situation. And there's Shauna.

[37:14] Sorry, I left you out. I just ran away.

[37:21] Okay. >> All right, so I'll get started with um

[37:24] how we got here. Um several years ago uh council

[37:29] tasked the administration with trying to find

[37:32] facilities uh that would accommodate our growing uh municipality. So, we were

[37:38] able to uh deal with one of those issues with

[37:42] the fire station. Uh the second thing that we were tasked with was trying to

[37:45] find something in the

[37:50] We're trying to best find something that was fit that was uh

[37:56] uh that would be uh suitable for public works uh public

[38:01] services uh garage department, and the third thing

[38:06] was the community center uh the expansion of the community center. So,

[38:10] uh an opportunity a couple months ago came

[38:13] uh forward um

[38:16] and um we had to discuss it. So, what I want to do is initially We about what we

[38:20] have. Um so the

[38:25] Currently the public services garage um is about 5,500 sq ft. Uh what you see is

[38:33] uh at the bottom the bottom picture is

[38:36] that is at 3:00 in the afternoon when the garage uh when they put all the

[38:40] vehicles in the garage at the end of the day.

[38:43] That's what we're able to fit in that garage. Um

[38:47] it is what I would consider a large two-bay

[38:53] commercial garage. It is not a uh it it is not

[38:57] in any means amicable for what the municipality is

[39:04] what the municipality needs currently. And this is not been going This is not

[39:08] something that's new. It's been going on for

[39:11] years. Probably in approximately of 20 years. Some examples I'll show you

[39:16] why the municipality thought years ago that we needed to expand, but they but

[39:20] they didn't take the uh they didn't take the opportunity. So

[39:23] um The next page you'll see um

[39:29] for about 20 people including two uh summer help people, sometimes part-time

[39:35] people depending uh on what we are what we are able to uh

[39:39] hire. Uh those are the facilities for those guys. So 15 by 24 locker room.

[39:45] Um they need to store their dry equipment, wet equipment,

[39:50] numerous boots, numerous pairs of boots, uh numerous clothing that they're going

[39:54] to use throughout the day. Uh whether that's normal weather or foul

[39:59] weather or anything like that. There's nowhere else in that garage to put

[40:02] anything. Um

[40:05] On the right-hand side that was an undertaking uh we they referred to it as

[40:09] the break room training room, but that was an undertaking that the public works

[40:14] employees took upon themselves to do. That was uh accomplished by them. It was

[40:20] a tool garage. >> Correct?

[40:22] » Correct. Yes. When I was the director down there, it was a tool garage. Um

[40:27] they decided that they wanted to turn it into a training room and

[40:31] uh it was built by

[40:34] staff. Public work staff.

[40:36] Uh but since it's

[40:40] But since then, even since I've been down there, it's it's definitely

[40:44] outgrown itself. We tried to have some meetings down there and everybody's

[40:48] right on top of each other. Uh even that picture, to be honest with you, doesn't

[40:52] do it justice. It's It um it is truly smaller than it it looks.

[40:58] Um when I talked about the bureau looking at facilities in the past to try

[41:03] to accomplish some of its needs for storage and expansion,

[41:09] West Avenue Garage, which most of the people in the community and many people

[41:13] on council don't even know that we have Uh if you go down uh

[41:17] uh West 9th Avenue, when you're going down the hill towards

[41:21] South Park, there's a small alleyway on the left-hand side that takes you behind

[41:26] some homes. This garage is located in that alleyway. So,

[41:31] it's it's on a hill, number one. Um so, the utilization of that is

[41:36] basically a sometime um mostly lawn equipment. It's not changed since I've

[41:42] been there. Lawn equipment that that's concrete that you see there that they

[41:45] put there. Um

[41:47] but it is what I would it is definitely a two-bay residential garage. That's

[41:54] what it's That's what they purchased it for. Um

[41:57] since then, um we were able to purchase the empty lot

[42:02] next to it um about 5 years ago, 6 years ago, we

[42:07] purchased the empty lot next to it. Um

[42:12] again, to be able to try to utilize this in a more beneficial way,

[42:17] uh it was a uh I think it was 11 or 12,000 dollars to purchase that lot. And

[42:22] um uh we're hope we were hoping to uh

[42:26] utilize it a little bit more, but uh simply because of the location it's

[42:31] become very difficult. Um most of the as you know, most of the trucks

[42:35] that are involved in public services, public works are larger. This is an

[42:40] alleyway, literally an alleyway. And you have to try to manipulate these larger

[42:44] vehicles down this alleyway. And we've had some incidents

[42:50] in the past show that um that uh that's not really a good idea.

[42:55] We've had some damage to our vehicles, we've had some damage to poles there uh

[42:59] trying to get around. Uh it also forms a lot of ice in in the wintertime. So,

[43:04] basically in the wintertime it gets cut off.

[43:07] Uh the next facility is West 7th Ave garage. And this is um what I think

[43:15] uh most people in the municipality, especially the people on West the west

[43:18] side of the municipality, believe is a

[43:23] public works facility. Um it is being utilized as a public works

[43:31] facility. But um those are pole barns. They are

[43:34] not heated uh garages. Uh the other uh garages is salt barn that uh they only

[43:41] use for they only use to store salt. Um

[43:45] it's a uh it

[43:48] from the picture it looks like it's a a large area, but it's difficult to

[43:52] manipulate uh the larger vehicles around because it is two levels. Uh

[43:59] the level closest to the bottom of the the uh page um is approximately three,

[44:06] four, five feet drop off, um, from the top and some five.

[44:11] And, um, it's been difficult to maneuver around

[44:15] it. And that was when I was there it was difficult to maneuver around it. It's

[44:19] even more difficult to maneuver around it because to keep up with the current

[44:24] needs of what the municipality has, there's been a substantial amount of,

[44:28] um, small equipment, large equipment that that's been purchased, and

[44:33] equipment that we never kept in the past. So, we never had a backup trash

[44:38] truck, for instance. So, when we our trash truck broke,

[44:43] we kindly borrowed one from Clinton Township, and then watched on Facebook

[44:48] as everybody said, "How come a Clinton Township

[44:51] trash truck is driving around our municipality?" But now we have backups

[44:55] to our vehicles. Um, if you look at the center of these

[45:00] pictures, those are 53-ft cargo containers

[45:03] that you see in this picture. >> 53-ft cargo containers are utilized.

[45:08] What do we use them for now? Right now there's holiday decorations that

[45:12] we have up that line Main Street every year. There are a couple of ones that

[45:16] are throughout Miracle Park. Um, the other two store all kinds of

[45:21] other event-related items. And they're packed

[45:26] with climbing over things every day to get in and out of there. What we put in

[45:30] there is a hazard.

[45:32] » They literally are like a tractor. So, you open the back doors, and if you want

[45:36] the thing that's all the way on the other end, you've got to climb over

[45:39] everything else to get it and pull it out.

[45:41] Um, there's only one way in, one way out.

[45:44] Um, the other equipment that you see on the

[45:47] bottom hand, right hand side, that's not only equipment that some of it was

[45:51] purchased by the municipality, but a lot of this

[45:55] equipment we've gotten on grants. And, uh, it's a substantial amount of money.

[46:00] Some of the the chippers, some of the equipment we've gotten

[46:03] uh we've been lucky enough to get grant uh grants for for a while now,

[46:08] especially our recycling. So, we've gotten a lot of grants for recycling,

[46:11] but Um so, we're able to um

[46:15] So, we were able to to to to bring that equipment into the

[46:20] municipality, but it's become an issue as to where it

[46:25] gets placed. If you place it some of it is diesel, it requires depot then in the

[46:31] wintertime. If you place it outdoors, it gets weathered very quickly.

[46:36] Uh hoses and deterioration of those vehicles is

[46:41] quite evident uh after the winter if they stayed out

[46:46] through the winter outside through the winter.

[46:48] Uh I will note and this is the the genius of the public works department.

[46:54] The picture on the left-hand side, you see a bunch of concrete blocks that are

[46:59] there. Uh they built those concrete blocks

[47:02] because there is no way for them to load salt into their trucks because of the

[47:07] height of the new trucks. So, the public works department built

[47:11] a lift uh basically a small not a lift, but a small bridge like that where

[47:16] they're able to drive a front-end loader on top of it and dump

[47:22] the uh

[47:24] salt into their trucks to be able to work through the night at

[47:28] this location. Uh the other thing that you'll notice about the location is

[47:32] those parts of the district have roads about uh 30 ft wide and another let's

[47:38] say 15 ft to the front door of the houses across.

[47:41] Um we have heard for many years um I don't know if I'm supposed to reveal

[47:46] it, but I know the previous councilperson um

[47:49] uh she had uh as our the home for the next public safety center.

[47:54] That's something I have to talk walk.

[47:58] » You're good. >> Um it's hard to get an idea of what

[48:01] 45,000 sq ft is. So, not that we're going to have it in there, but the

[48:05] biggest vehicle we could find is our Quint trash Quint fire truck. So, we

[48:11] drove it through the building. So, what you see here is the Quint inside the

[48:15] building and it easily maneuvers around this building. Uh the build parts part

[48:20] of the building was um uh

[48:23] they they they they In 2007, they put an addition on

[48:29] the lower end of this building, which gave the 45,000 sq ft. So, there's a

[48:33] separate a wall separation between them. Um

[48:38] It is by no means a perfect building. It is a

[48:43] work in progress. So, it will be a work in progress over numerous years to get

[48:48] it to what eventually would be a

[48:53] a very good public safety building. Um public

[48:58] works building. Um

[49:00] but um the good the the the things about it

[49:03] that stuck out right away are the size, open

[49:07] bays, the easily accessible to uh to um

[49:13] to the borough as a whole on that side. Um

[49:17] we really don't have any residential issues there. Um

[49:22] We did get uh that plan is a tree plan uh to try to address some of the things

[49:29] that we potentially saw we might have uh issues with is the noise and

[49:34] uh aesthetics. Uh so, we had uh some drawings and plans

[49:39] as to how to address some of those. We would uh it's in dire need of

[49:46] some TLC. Um so, trees, plantings, painting, those things we would start

[49:52] looking at them just immediately. Renewing the office portion of it would

[49:56] be done almost immediately.

[49:59] Um and move from there. The office portion

[50:03] of this building is almost the size of the entire public

[50:09] works garage, 600 block of about about 5,000 square square feet.

[50:15] Um so we did uh we started the

[50:20] and the last phase is basically the size in comparison to to what we have now

[50:25] as though both um on all our current sites size-wise and

[50:30] uh uh

[50:32] as to what we have if we purchase that building, it's a 215% increase in

[50:38] space. Um

[50:41] so um some of the things that we looked at along with this is what would we do

[50:48] with the current current current properties we have. So

[50:51] um just going through

[50:54] off the top of my head, 6th Avenue 600 block of East East Elm Street.

[51:00] Um we have already had an engineer look at that to put a second floor on it.

[51:04] We're waiting to see what the results of that are. The second floor would give a

[51:07] second floor for uh

[51:10] the availability for the public works people to go to the second floor to use

[51:14] it for locker rooms, a lunch room, things like that, but it wouldn't open

[51:18] up the area for the larger vehicles. Uh we would still be dealing with what

[51:23] we're dealing with there. Um to try to leave the facility in the

[51:27] same same footprint with the same uh

[51:32] uh roof and everything else, we know we have a problem with that. You've seen

[51:36] that in our in almost every capital um uh

[51:40] capital budget that I that since I've taken over. Um

[51:44] we've always tried to account for the fact that

[51:47] that roof on that building was eventually going to

[51:52] have to be replaced. Um

[51:56] some of the problems with that is where we're going to put everybody when while

[52:00] we're doing it. Um we did have a flood there one time and we brought in a

[52:06] trailer to accommodate all the public works

[52:09] department, but we still were able to open up the garages

[52:13] to use the garages while the trailer was on location and it just became quite

[52:18] evident that we were in a pretty futile position where we are. Um

[52:23] where where that location is. Uh we've eliminated the use We started to

[52:27] eliminate almost completely the use of the gas pumps.

[52:30] Uh there is no more gas. We we're we're going to use an outside entity for

[52:34] getting for pumping uh for for getting our fuel.

[52:38] Um but the location of the gas pumps

[52:43] in proximity of the power lines in front of them

[52:48] uh prohibits us from ever really going through a process of changing any of

[52:53] that. Even to remove that,

[52:56] um when we got bidding on some of removing the tanks, um

[53:00] most of the operators want to bring a crane in and put it on Hector Street

[53:05] and go over two houses to remove the tank on Hector Street.

[53:10] Um so it's a tight place it's a tight uh

[53:14] very tight place. It's

[53:18] far outweighing what it was meant for when I was down there. Uh

[53:23] I'll let Frank speak to the current conditions

[53:27] uh since he's gained some employees and some equipment since I left there. Uh

[53:33] but we'll start with that

[53:37] particular building. >> Um so that as Ray said, that building is

[53:42] beyond repair a and there are a lot of repair issues

[53:45] there. leaks in

[53:48] numerous spots over top of electrical wires. There is major leak every time it

[53:53] rains. Um

[53:55] it does leak onto the electrical wires, the alarm panels, and all that stuff.

[54:00] And we are just out of space. Our mechanic works out of there on a daily

[54:04] basis. Um

[54:06] So, we have, you know, his area in the corner that takes up one basically one

[54:11] half of the garage is where the mechanic has his lift and his equipment.

[54:15] And as you see in the pictures, our fleet

[54:18] trucks are in there every day. It's It's a multi

[54:21] Um We fight it a little every day. We have

[54:25] a lot of equipment parked outside. Millions of dollars of equipment that

[54:29] just sits outside. It's vulnerable to the weather, to

[54:33] people getting in, you know, that stuff down in the garage. You know,

[54:36] they can get over the fence easily. And we have a lot of equipment outside,

[54:40] dangerous equipment. Um chippers are all sitting outside cuz

[54:44] we have no room for anything. Um

[54:47] We take it in as Ray said, the cargo containers.

[54:51] Um that stuff down in the Yeah.

[54:54] Back at Elm Street,

[54:57] we have 19 guys that share a room that is half the size of this quarter

[55:03] the size of this one. where they're getting changed as Ray

[55:06] said, you know, their locker rooms there. We have

[55:09] We don't even have enough lockers for the amount of guys we have.

[55:12] They're just hanging stuff up. Clothing laying everywhere.

[55:16] Office space, there's myself, Robert and myself, and four

[55:20] managers crammed in a 20 by 9 ft office space. There's four

[55:26] desks. It's basically like cubicles. Um

[55:31] So, we, you know, and the bathroom is there's only, you You one stall, one

[55:35] urinal in there for 20 people. It's we

[55:40] outgrew I mean, it served its purpose. Don't get me wrong, but I think it is

[55:44] now time to consider and this opportunity of

[55:48] you know, when our public works department works out.

[55:51] Um I think this is a good plan.

[55:55] » How long you >> I've been here 29 years now.

[55:58] So, I've seen it grow. I've been through it.

[56:01] Um and it doesn't look like it's stopping

[56:04] to grow. And

[56:06] the equipment and the work and things that happen and

[56:09] more work we're taking on, we just have nowhere to store anything.

[56:13] We're piling stuff on top of each other. Everything.

[56:19] » So, when we get past the the operations portion of it and get down to what um we

[56:26] would do with that property. So, uh there is there would be no intention for

[56:31] the borough to really need that property anymore. So, um

[56:36] uh when when these properties become

[56:39] available or people get on the rumor mill or and start uh

[56:45] hearing that these properties are going to be available, there's a lot of

[56:49] generally a lot of phone calls if there is interest and there has been interest

[56:53] in it in the general uh in the general public for purchasing of that

[57:00] uh garage, but

[57:02] we've also engaged in some conversations with the sewer authority. They're also

[57:07] going through the same issue that public works is going through, which is

[57:12] um expansion. There is that they need to

[57:15] expand and there's really nowhere to go. They are, as you can

[57:20] most some people don't know this, but uh a good portion of our

[57:25] some portion of the uh sewer authority is actually in Wetmore Township.

[57:29] Um so, when uh

[57:33] when this discussion came up, one of the things we needed to do for this

[57:37] particular building during our due diligence period was we wanted to have

[57:42] uh the storm sewer looked at and the sewer system looked at and we went to

[57:47] the sewer authority and asked them to do that for us and in that conversation uh

[57:53] during that conversation it came up that that they may have interest in that

[57:57] property. Um so,

[57:59] uh that opened up a lot of options in the municipality municipality uh

[58:04] and I guess there's some legal Obviously, there's going to be some

[58:07] legal hurdles, whether that's a public entity, private entity, however that's

[58:12] dealt with, but for us it doesn't really matter. So,

[58:16] one way or another, uh we can be it's a private public entity and we can deal

[58:20] with it a little bit differently, but um otherwise, it would go up for auction

[58:25] just like any other property that the Borough of Duncannon would put up for

[58:28] auction. Uh

[58:30] we would set a um we would set a price that we would

[58:33] want for it um and put it up on put it up for auction.

[58:38] That's 6th Avenue. Um

[58:41] 7th Avenue, which is the more intriguing one. I I think we would What what the

[58:46] goal there would be would be to bring it back to what it

[58:50] is supposed to be, which is an extension of Southwest Park.

[58:55] Uh and in doing so, again, in Anita's name, we're going to have to

[58:59] bring bring up her name every 5 minutes for this, but Anita did approach council

[59:04] uh several times about putting a dog park there.

[59:08] Uh in fact, she presented I I didn't remember clearly, but she presented uh

[59:13] at least I saw a rendering of the dog park at that location. And I know

[59:17] there's a lot of questions about dog parks and things like that, uh but

[59:21] because of the the way that that's shaped, it

[59:25] optimal long runs, uh so would be able to fence it in, we'd be

[59:30] able to secure it. Uh

[59:33] If I remember her renderings correctly, she even had parking spaces there.

[59:38] Um we would not be building any structure

[59:42] on that property. No matter what.

[59:46] There would be no structures. Uh and then there would be a discussion

[59:50] on what we would do with the current structures and whether we can

[59:53] incorporate that into some type of facility that would work with either dog

[1:00:00] park, a park, a splash pad. A splash pad

[1:00:05] or whatever. Uh we do have water in there finally, too. It wasn't water in

[1:00:10] there before finally. There's water in there now.

[1:00:13] Um but uh

[1:00:16] if we could incorporate it, and because it's a pole barn, it's referred to as a

[1:00:20] pole barn, there's a lot of things we can do with it. There's no gas in there.

[1:00:25] There's just power. Uh it's not heated. Um

[1:00:28] so So, we could the there are things that we could

[1:00:32] potentially do it that would not have not

[1:00:35] not knock me down. Uh I I I did uh ask uh

[1:00:40] for a rendering, uh but it was not going to be available

[1:00:44] by this meeting. Um if this were to move forward, there'll

[1:00:48] be a rendering of that in in a natural kind of setting as part of Southwick

[1:00:54] Park. Trees, grass, and then whatever you want to whatever

[1:01:00] whatever you want to do. Uh

[1:01:04] uh the 9th Avenue facility, again, that's one that we would be uh we would

[1:01:09] have to really discuss uh

[1:01:13] the return on the investment on that property will probably never happen. Uh

[1:01:19] we uh lot of was paid a lot of money was

[1:01:21] paid for that. Uh

[1:01:24] and I believe in 1997 uh

[1:01:28] the community garden has talked about fencing and trying to keep deer out and

[1:01:33] and if you go to the community garden, you see how everything is kind of

[1:01:37] » which is that we would not have that. We really wouldn't need it for anything

[1:01:40] else. So, I don't really see why we would

[1:01:43] do any other direction but that. Uh that is it.

[1:01:49] » Um So, uh we've done everything that we

[1:01:53] possibly could at this point. We've taken We've done We've taken some ATVs

[1:01:58] down there and seen if we could make a connection between Cow Lane

[1:02:03] and the bike path. Um the bike path, if you look at the aerial picture, the bike

[1:02:08] path comes in about at the turn of 476.

[1:02:13] Um but it is a pretty pretty substantial slope. Um

[1:02:17] uh but we did take some ATVs to see if if there was be a potential there and it

[1:02:24] would be hard um

[1:02:27] construction, but we could definitely have conversations

[1:02:30] with Lower Merion Township in the uh

[1:02:33] in the future and then we would be able to be able to run

[1:02:36] a path through Cow Lane. It would be very

[1:02:39] neat to have a connection between the A-field

[1:02:43] and the bike path. Uh going through the office property

[1:02:47] over there. Uh so, we look at every opportunity we

[1:02:51] can. The only structure that you wouldn't that you would see on this site

[1:02:57] uh that isn't on this site currently would be a salt.

[1:03:01] We would build a salt barn. Salt is very corrosive.

[1:03:05] Um so, to put salt inside a building, uh we wouldn't want to do that as much as

[1:03:09] the structure. So, somewhere along in that on that property, there's numerous

[1:03:14] locations outside of um

[1:03:17] outside of any aesthetic issues that you possibly

[1:03:21] impose by it. We would be we would be able to close

[1:03:24] off the sidewalk.

[1:03:27] Uh the same type that you see on at 7th Avenue. It would be a

[1:03:31] uh a whole block

[1:03:34] with the front loading dock. Uh so that's the only other structure

[1:03:38] that we would be putting on our property so

[1:03:41] concrete with a with a with a loading dock so

[1:03:53] » Any questions from anybody? That was a lot of information.

[1:03:58] » If this and and just let's I mean to be quite honest with you,

[1:04:02] if this does not work out, we will still be having to live with it. So

[1:04:06] do let's by no means try to pretend like

[1:04:11] that's not what we have to have. It is going to have to happen.

[1:04:15] Um and it's probably sooner than later. So if this does not work out, we will be

[1:04:21] we'll just continue looking for another gate.

[1:04:26] » For me, I'm I'm repeating back to you some of

[1:04:30] the things you said but to summarize them,

[1:04:33] it sounds like there's two big issues, safety and efficiency.

[1:04:37] I mean every property you name has a what I think is a worker safety issue.

[1:04:43] Uh and overall it sounds like there's an efficiency issue where you definitely

[1:04:48] lose a lot.

[1:04:50] Yeah, that's just a tunnel. I mean, I mean you talked for a while and I have

[1:04:54] to sum it up in 2 seconds. And that's what I'm hearing you say is

[1:04:59] worker safety too. >> So a common sense issue like trying to

[1:05:03] make a connection on a vehicle when it's snowing and 20 and 12 degrees and doing

[1:05:09] it inside a facility and then going out >> I I've made a list

[1:05:14] pretty much every property you named has some kind of

[1:05:17] I mean, that that is that's a major safety issue. Someone's

[1:05:21] going to get hurt, but even smaller I mean, raining into electrical areas and

[1:05:25] things like that.

[1:05:27] Yeah, so that's those are the two biggest topics I'm

[1:05:31] going to be talking about. >> Mr. Frank, as the director of the public

[1:05:36] services department, you talked about having a single mechanic.

[1:05:41] That mechanic is responsible for every piece of equipment including police

[1:05:49] cars. >> Fire, snow plow.

[1:05:52] » So, so one mechanic for all that equipment with one day.

[1:05:58] » Yes. >> So, I would anticipate that's an area

[1:06:01] that we probably are going to need to see growth in as well.

[1:06:06] Um, and this would give us the opportunity to actually put some

[1:06:09] mechanics in to be able to do that. >> Yes, absolutely. And that's

[1:06:13] the new space potential new space.

[1:06:16] Uh, there's more than enough opportunity

[1:06:19] that I have another

[1:06:22] thing that we have in the future. Definitely

[1:06:25] keep moving forward. >> And that goes to both of the both of the

[1:06:30] both of the departments. >> The current lift that we have we've

[1:06:35] already got pricing to move and it's actually much cheaper than what we

[1:06:39] thought it to move it to another location.

[1:06:41] So, that was relatively new and it can be reutilized

[1:06:45] in a new location. Uh, and we do currently have one

[1:06:48] mechanic, but we have what I think would be called one mechanic in training,

[1:06:53] which we will which um, we have discussed with Stephanie and

[1:06:58] uh, he's in school to finish. He was a licensed mechanic at one point, but he

[1:07:03] his license ran out, but he's interested in now. amazing difficult

[1:07:09] person to find and hire and we're not going to be able to have

[1:07:13] one that's on staff. And we're trying to get a

[1:07:17] » So, I'm not hearing that this is going to be as big of a project as the public

[1:07:24] safety building where it was a knock down, rebuild, millions of dollars to to

[1:07:30] outfit. I'm hearing that this is a building that we can use its bones and

[1:07:36] develop it out as we go. It probably needs a little bit of

[1:07:41] something to get it up and running. >> Oh, absolutely. I mean,

[1:07:45] the biggest thing to get us in there uh

[1:07:48] the office area right now is

[1:07:51] might be considered uninhabitable and it has some mold issues from it just

[1:07:56] sitting. So, we would go in there

[1:08:00] in house and we've got that. Um

[1:08:03] and make our space be great for me and my

[1:08:06] employees. It needs some I guess I'd say TLC.

[1:08:10] Um but the bones are good. Everything else

[1:08:13] about the building And we did have a conversation with the

[1:08:17] owner um based on because the sale of this property is relatively new and I

[1:08:23] don't really want to He doesn't want me to get into the specifics of the sale,

[1:08:26] so I'm not going to. But um the sale of this property is

[1:08:30] relatively new and he can't um

[1:08:33] so, he's had to go go through all of the all of the due diligence

[1:08:38] in order to purchase property. So, there were some uh asbestos shingles on the

[1:08:42] floor. That has already been remediated and we

[1:08:45] have documentation of that remediation and we were able He's been very amicable

[1:08:50] with us uh with us about going in and out and looking at and we are you know,

[1:08:55] that that has been taken care of and remediated correctly by a certified

[1:08:59] company because it was part of the documentation. Um that was

[1:09:04] Um so those are the things that that we've seen. There is one final aspect I

[1:09:08] will talk to you with with with with um

[1:09:12] equipment. So one thing that we have not gotten into was was the final phase of

[1:09:17] the public services and barrels going to do with

[1:09:20] Once the roads are where they need to be, there's the next part of that

[1:09:25] equation maintaining them and maintaining the level where it needs to

[1:09:28] be. So one lane for instance goes bad, what are you going to do?

[1:09:35] So in the next 18 months, the

[1:09:39] bureau's public services department will be

[1:09:42] developing a program to do road maintenance which will include

[1:09:47] uh mill and overlay

[1:09:50] like overlay. Uh they're going to work with actually

[1:09:53] with Main Township a lot of that type of work, road work. So they're going to go

[1:09:57] up to Main Township and learn about

[1:10:01] like some of their technique. Um let's let's just talk about the um

[1:10:05] public park and all the um trails in the public park that they

[1:10:09] recently put there. Um this is going to last

[1:10:11] forever. Um they will be able to

[1:10:14] redo them and maintain them and actually do

[1:10:18] and with Main Township that's the first project that they're going to do with

[1:10:21] the Main Township. They're doing some of the doing some of the park

[1:10:24] and the trails and they're learning and so they're going to go there and

[1:10:28] learn how to do that. And eventually through the capital program and when

[1:10:32] it's when it's necessary, um they're going to get the equipment that they

[1:10:35] need to do it. Um they can rent some of it

[1:10:39] um but they don't know how to use them. That was never part of what they did.

[1:10:43] Um that will be the final portion of what they did. So you'll have storm

[1:10:48] water sanitation

[1:10:52] tree removal

[1:10:56] salt which we do also state roads down with

[1:10:59] the with the bridge as well as the state roads here in Peterborough.

[1:11:04] Um All that is done by um

[1:11:08] these guys. So, it's an ever-evolving job

[1:11:12] and um and it's an ever-evolving job with the

[1:11:17] professionalism that is required for the Um they're trained well.

[1:11:22] Um they do the job well. Um and this is uh

[1:11:26] this would be the perfect half to if we can make it work. But, if we can't, like

[1:11:32] I said, we will not settle for less. So, we'll do a fine something else.

[1:11:37] » I'm trying to um better understand the

[1:11:43] uh how we'll start utilizing the space. I

[1:11:46] mean, again, we're overstuffed. We are, you know,

[1:11:50] basically packing stuff on top of other things. It's dangerous to

[1:11:55] to do that because, you know, any inefficient. Um but, I guess my question

[1:12:00] is the facility going to be about three

[1:12:03] times the size of what we currently have.

[1:12:06] Uh so, what do you estimate we would already fill up of that space given what

[1:12:12] we have? Like 50% of the new space? >> Yeah, I I I Well, I I I would say we'll

[1:12:17] be maybe 2/3 of the space would be full. Um

[1:12:20] we have So, we have

[1:12:24] other facilities we store and we we lease We're we're

[1:12:28] currently leasing facilities in order to store equipment.

[1:12:33] So, that I didn't bring up. I only brought up the

[1:12:37] the properties that we actually own. Uh or have uh a vested interest in other

[1:12:43] than the leased properties. But, we do have We have We do have properties that

[1:12:48] we lease uh where we store our equipment.

[1:12:52] Uh um We have even our property

[1:12:55] here, we have equipment that

[1:12:59] would all go for the most part there. And because it's an open

[1:13:04] setup, there's a lot of things we can do inside um, to

[1:13:09] hot it, make it uh, the police department can have their

[1:13:13] place, the fire department can have their place.

[1:13:15] Um, and yeah, yeah, one thing I did forget to say is

[1:13:21] 65 Elm Street, one of the view, Elm Street garage is not sprinklered.

[1:13:26] Um, there's no sprinkler system there at all. So, there's a placard on the front

[1:13:30] of the building and if it catches on fire, fire department doesn't have to go

[1:13:34] straight for Um, this is a fully sprinklered.

[1:13:38] It's fully sprinklered. So, we also have a little bit more faith

[1:13:43] in the fact that we could put some of this kinds of equipment.

[1:13:47] Um, and sprinklers are jump out and I was

[1:13:50] talking about with life safety, but they also put out fires. That's what I'm

[1:13:54] talking about with the fire department. Um,

[1:13:56] uh, so, that was definitely a benefit for this. That these are

[1:14:01] fully so

[1:14:16] » Anyone else have any questions related to this?

[1:14:21] Yeah, where you said you this was built and keep talking.

[1:14:25] Realistically, where else is there a close good borough contract?

[1:14:30] » I'm not going to be sarcastic, Kathleen. You you walk with sound

[1:14:34] way more than I do. Um,

[1:14:37] you tell me. >> I I don't I can't think of any place

[1:14:41] that >> plan to try to make that negotiation

[1:14:43] happen. >> Right.

[1:14:44] » Um, but even

[1:14:47] even when we have even engaged in some some talks, in general, they've been

[1:14:53] conversations about leasing and never buying. And then, um the other ones,

[1:14:58] when you start thinking about where they are, they really don't work. We can't

[1:15:03] have a facility like this on the other side of the train tracks.

[1:15:07] It's not going to We have to have a facility We can't have

[1:15:10] a facility along that Hollow Lane stretch because it's going to break

[1:15:15] every once in a while for a little bit of time.

[1:15:18] So, this is, believe it or not, there is not even a corner of this

[1:15:24] and that's why the tributary behind it is not a

[1:15:28] tributary to the Williams Brook. That's also a small borough road that floods.

[1:15:33] Um but not in that section.

[1:15:37] » So, basically, this or nothing else?

[1:15:41] » Maybe some of the land around it. Maybe some

[1:15:49] But yeah, there's I don't really I don't see anything that's I don't see anything

[1:15:54] in in that inside of the borough of Mountainside.

[1:15:58] I just don't.

[1:16:01] » And Mike, there's no problem with the borough of Mountainside running a

[1:16:05] business in Summit Township? >> Not running a business.

[1:16:09] But >> They're operating

[1:16:10] » They're operating running a municipal operation out of another jurisdiction.

[1:16:13] There's no prohibition on that whatsoever.

[1:16:20] » Anyone else? Mike, can you just go over the

[1:16:23] resolution real fast? >> Sure. Um so,

[1:16:27] what we prepared, and council has seen these before when we've engaged in

[1:16:31] property purchases, is a a resolution that sets forth some of the

[1:16:35] background, nowhere near as as detailed as we're going to do, some of the

[1:16:39] background of why the this is needed, um

[1:16:42] and then authorizes as this moves forward

[1:16:47] your borough manager with my advice and and help to execute the documents that

[1:16:52] are needed for purchase of the property. It attaches a draft agreement of sale.

[1:16:58] That draft agreement of sale is going to be amended, and that is

[1:17:03] because we included our a standard due diligence period in here.

[1:17:07] But we do already know that we will be some zoning relief from from the

[1:17:12] township, so we will be uh amending this

[1:17:17] agreement of sale to provide a time period within which we can seek that

[1:17:21] zoning relief from their zoning hearing board. No red flags at this time in

[1:17:25] terms of obtaining that, but um prior to closing the borough certainly wants to

[1:17:30] have that in hand. The purchase price is $5.975

[1:17:36] million, and otherwise the agreement of sale is

[1:17:41] relatively straightforward just because um there's not there's not a lot to this

[1:17:45] in terms of of um financing in turn as between us and the

[1:17:51] and the seller. So, um the provisions of the resolution are

[1:17:54] are relatively short, and what we do um in these circumstances and what we do

[1:17:58] here is after we have the agreement of sale form finalized and

[1:18:04] agreed to between the parties, um you guys will consider it again at

[1:18:09] that will likely be in the meeting um 2 weeks from now.

[1:18:16] » And then just from a financing perspective, so again at the closing,

[1:18:20] the cost is $5,975,000 plus associated closing costs.

[1:18:25] And the post funding plan will be to utilize $3 million from the borough's

[1:18:29] general funds. And then $3 million from the capital

[1:18:32] fund balance. And we'd use cash on hand to purchase

[1:18:35] the real property. And then upon receipt of the 2027 bond

[1:18:40] proceeds, which are already underway, which should

[1:18:43] come in approximately early 2027, the borough will reimburse the capital

[1:18:48] fund in the amount of 3.9 million of those proceeds.

[1:18:50] So, you have the funding available um and it is

[1:18:55] sufficient for the acquisition. It is prepared.

[1:19:05] Any other questions?

[1:19:10] Hearing no other questions this evening, I'm looking for a motion

[1:19:14] to approve the resolution 2026-11, which would authorize the purchase and

[1:19:20] transfer of ownership of 680 Conover Lane tax parcel

[1:19:25] um in the amount of $5,975,000 plus the associated closing costs. And

[1:19:32] Stephanie, whenever we're those funds which is what I'm going to

[1:19:37] do to get to you that. >> I make the motion to approve.

[1:19:40] » I'll second. >> I have a motion and a second. All in

[1:19:43] favor? >> Aye.

[1:19:44] » Aye. Anyone opposed? Motion carries.

[1:19:50] Thank you. >> Thank you very much.

[1:19:59] » How are you doing, Bob? You're right back there.

[1:20:02] Talk to Stephanie so you know where that is.

[1:20:04] Where are you going? My battery is dying.

[1:20:05] » be the motion to approve. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[1:20:09] Um all right. Next item on our agenda this evening is council business. It

[1:20:12] doesn't look like we have any other council business. Um so, we'll move

[1:20:16] right into the manager matters and have a discussion on the park and recreation

[1:20:20] mission. Okay. Yeah, we'll go through the

[1:20:25] ordinance that was passed that that revised the park and rec ordinance and

[1:20:28] then create the park and rec creation commission. And so, now we need to

[1:20:31] discuss the compilation of that actual commission, and then start the process

[1:20:36] of advertising for the vacant positions, interviewing, and appointing with the

[1:20:41] plan of having the commission up and running for early 2027. So, all we're

[1:20:44] asking is to get the team going on. Um the one piece of clarification that I do

[1:20:49] need from council is that the commission is five members total.

[1:20:55] And the compilation can either be one or two council members, and then that

[1:21:00] depending on what you decide. Either one of the council members would either be

[1:21:03] three or four

[1:21:06] residents. So, the main direction we need from you

[1:21:09] this evening is how would you like that compilation set up,

[1:21:13] and also just give us authorization to start the interview the advertising and

[1:21:18] interview process. >> So, this will follow the same process

[1:21:22] that we've used for other commissions and committees and task force. Our

[1:21:27] people will apply with interest. We will interview them, and we will, as

[1:21:33] a council, make a selection on who those members are those members.

[1:21:39] » Council, is there any um feeling of one or two council members on this

[1:21:45] commission? >> So, I'll say that

[1:21:50] preliminarily I have been spoke to some people about the parks and

[1:21:55] recreation director. Um

[1:22:00] seems to be some good interest in places that we haven't

[1:22:03] necessarily seen here before.

[1:22:07] Um so, I'm kind of bullish on saying that

[1:22:12] we can get a good amount of residents on the commission, and um

[1:22:18] obviously like Little League has has the interest of

[1:22:22] softball things like that. There's even gentlemen who have played basketball

[1:22:27] with the new board. And the board wants to

[1:22:30] you were sitting and

[1:22:32] you showed your interest in it, so um

[1:22:36] I'd be okay with one council person and leaning

[1:22:39] on us getting

[1:22:43] or other people I know traditionally who've been talking to receive.

[1:22:48] » We can also reserve the right to if you only get so much interest to tell them

[1:22:52] that the council >> Well, I think that's the idea. If you do

[1:22:55] that, then that's what I what I would suggest would be the plan. But again,

[1:22:59] right now I can't say for certain, but I think

[1:23:02] there's a good amount of of interest in uh

[1:23:06] being part of

[1:23:10] » So, opposed to one council member and four searching for four.

[1:23:15] We need members? >> I like it.

[1:23:19] » Great. Should I write it? Got it.

[1:23:25] So, you will you will based on that

[1:23:29] direction start the advertising process to start having candidates interviewed.

[1:23:34] So, anyone has any questions or anyone has interest, you can forward them to

[1:23:39] bring me or I will walk them through the process of getting them set up.

[1:23:43] » And as a reminder commissioners that are appointed are the

[1:23:48] voting members, but anyone who comes to any of the meetings and

[1:23:52] have input and discussion. >> Correct. And this commission is going to

[1:23:57] be the main commission that's going to serve as an advisory role to council

[1:24:03] on the things pertaining to development, improvement, use, maintenance, leisure

[1:24:08] needs of the borough parks, playgrounds, and recreational facilities.

[1:24:14] So, it's a good kicking off part for the the growth of our next

[1:24:19] » So, just to call out the difference, this will be the advisory board.

[1:24:23] » Correct. Friends of Contra Costa Parks is our fundraising arm. So, they're two

[1:24:29] separate and distinct groups that will work together for the community.

[1:24:34] » So, there's two separate and distinct groups that need to be the Contra Costa

[1:24:38] Parks separately a nonprofit organization.

[1:24:43] » Good. >> Thanks.

[1:24:44] » Hey, just a follow up. What should I not be a member because it will sit on both?

[1:24:48] » At this point, they'll be separate. But again, as Tina said, they can

[1:24:53] definitely attend and have

[1:24:57] be part of the conversation. >> Thank you.

[1:25:02] » Anyone else? All right, moving on.

[1:25:05] Our next item is to consider awarding a bid for construction services for our

[1:25:10] Hollowell Street Road Construction project.

[1:25:14] So, um this is one of the roads in our road program that will be done. Um and

[1:25:20] the idea is we start awarding bids and we start having all our roads rebuilt.

[1:25:26] Um so, I'm looking for a motion to award the base bid with an alternate bid

[1:25:32] number one and an alternate bid number two to T. Schieffer Contractors

[1:25:38] Incorporated, and that amount is $832,585.

[1:25:46] » I'll make that motion. >> I'll second.

[1:25:48] » I have a motion and a second. All in favor?

[1:25:50] » Aye. >> Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.

[1:25:55] Next item is to consider approving resolution 2026-12,

[1:26:00] which will approve a supplemental appropriation for the Hollowell Street

[1:26:05] Road Construction project.

[1:26:09] So, looking for a motion to approve resolution 2026-12.

[1:26:15] » I'll make that motion. >> I'll second.

[1:26:17] » I a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye.

[1:26:20] Aye. Anyone opposed? The motion passes.

[1:26:24] Next item on the agenda is a discussion on reappointing E. Bergwall & Company,

[1:26:30] P.C., to conduct the bureau's annual financial audit for fiscal years ending

[1:26:35] in 2027, 2028, and 2029. Stephanie, would you uh

[1:26:41] just go through the proposal? >> Yes, E. Bergwall is our current

[1:26:46] auditor um and they have conducted our annual

[1:26:49] financial audits since 2016. They have been instrumental in uh

[1:26:55] completing items such as local valuation, final capital asset listing

[1:26:59] policy, and implementing government wide financial statements.

[1:27:03] We are looking to renew the agreement for another 3 years. Again, for '27,

[1:27:08] '28, '29. For '27, we're looking at a $1,000

[1:27:13] increase at $25,000. And then for '28, there'll be a $750 increase.

[1:27:19] And for 2029, a $750 increase.

[1:27:27] » Any questions related to that? We're not going to vote on this tonight, but

[1:27:31] if you have any questions. Jeremy, do you have any questions?

[1:27:35] » Stephanie, I have a quick question. I believe the answer to this is no.

[1:27:39] Are we subject to a single audit act for federal funds?

[1:27:43] Because of the million dollars we don't get that much.

[1:27:46] » We were subject to one single audit award, but

[1:27:51] that was only for one single grant award. Yes, one year.

[1:27:55] » Thanks.

[1:28:00] » Next item

[1:28:05] Next item on the agenda is to consider approving 140 East 6th Avenue

[1:28:10] financial security escrow release number one, which is the final, and that would

[1:28:14] be in the amount of $39,809.

[1:28:18] Looking for a motion contingent upon the receipt of recorded agreements with the

[1:28:23] MJ Acquisitions LLC. >> I'll make that motion.

[1:28:27] » I'll second. >> I have a motion and a second. All in

[1:28:29] favor? I. Anyone opposed? Motion carries.

[1:28:34] Next item is considering 140 East 6th Avenue professional service escrow

[1:28:39] release, and that would be a final release, in the amount of $3,257.66

[1:28:46] plus interest. Looking for a motion contingent upon the

[1:28:50] receipt of recorded agreements with MJ Acquisitions LLC.

[1:28:54] » I'll make that motion. >> I'll second.

[1:28:56] » I have a motion and a second. All in favor?

[1:28:59] I. Anyone opposed? Motion carries. Next item is to consider approving a

[1:29:04] tuition reimbursement for Sergeant Walter for the fall of 2026. This is

[1:29:09] part of the local bargaining agreement, and that amount is $7,766.88

[1:29:16] plus the cost of books. Looking for a motion.

[1:29:21] » I'll make that motion. >> Okay.

[1:29:23] » I have a motion and a second. All in favor? I. Anyone opposed?

[1:29:27] Motion carries.

[1:29:30] Next item on our agenda

[1:29:34] is the Valerie answer. Um

[1:29:37] is discussing the results of the trial period for our temporary residential

[1:29:42] permit parking on 2 and 300 blocks of East Elm,

[1:29:48] uh the 400 block of West Elm Street parking.

[1:29:54] And um looking at that to be made permanent through a borough ordinance.

[1:30:00] So, Chief Lennon, do you want to go over

[1:30:02] that with us just real quick? >> Yes.

[1:30:05] Um like you said, we're here to give an update on the temporary parking permit

[1:30:09] resolution that we had in place for the last 90 days.

[1:30:12] So, I'll begin with the 200 and 300 blocks of East Elm Street.

[1:30:16] In December 2025 and February 2026, the borough received concerns from a single

[1:30:21] citizen about parking availability in the 200 and 300 blocks of East Elm

[1:30:25] Street. In March of 2026, a plan was formulated

[1:30:29] to establish whether there was a need for residential permit parking in these

[1:30:32] areas. In March, parking officers began

[1:30:35] collecting information on parking in the area, including available spaces,

[1:30:39] current parking utilization, and availability.

[1:30:42] Officers began visiting these blocks two to three times a day to observe and

[1:30:46] document available parking. The available parking in both of these

[1:30:49] blocks, in the 200 block we have 52 available spaces.

[1:30:54] In the 300 block, we have 69 available spaces.

[1:30:57] The objective is to determine whether parking occupancy consistently exceeds

[1:31:01] 85%. This is a commonly accepted threshold at

[1:31:04] which drivers begin experiencing difficulty finding available parking.

[1:31:09] At the May 20, 2026 May 20th, 2026 Borough Council meeting, Borough Council

[1:31:14] approved a temporary 90-day resolution establishing 2-hour residential parking

[1:31:19] permit for the 200 and 300 blocks of East Elm Street. Following this meeting,

[1:31:23] letters and temporary permits were distributed to all residents of these

[1:31:26] blocks explaining the process and soliciting feedback.

[1:31:30] We also used the displayed permits to determine whether vehicles were

[1:31:34] residents or were or were visitors.

[1:31:37] Today, we have received questions from one landlord about the process and its

[1:31:41] purpose and one business who was against the uh establishing permanent parking.

[1:31:47] It should also be noted that the original concern of both parties we

[1:31:51] received feedback from were all on the 200 block of East Elm Street. We

[1:31:55] included the 300 block because it's a close proximity and the available

[1:31:59] parking in that area. In our charts, [clears throat] we chose

[1:32:03] to display based on the occupancy consistently exceeding 75% and 85%

[1:32:08] because below 75% would mean that the parking is readily available.

[1:32:12] So, this is uh

[1:32:15] the uh this is the 200 block that we're looking at there. If you want to go to

[1:32:18] the 300 block, you can see uh the 300 block, we just have one slight deviation

[1:32:24] where we go above that 85% and even though we do go above that 85% uh in

[1:32:30] that one time frame, it still means there's still available availability of

[1:32:34] five parking spots in that block. So, um we're not seeing anything where there

[1:32:39] there's no parking available. So, uh this leaves you with three options.

[1:32:44] Uh option one is to close the temporary permit parking out. As the data shows,

[1:32:48] the commonly accepted thresholds have not been met. It is our recommendation

[1:32:52] at this time that the threshold has not been met and it is uh it is difficult to

[1:32:57] justify implementing implementing residential parking

[1:33:01] program in this area. Option two is to collect the data in

[1:33:06] these areas as current development comes to fruition, it may influence parking

[1:33:11] availability. This could be problematic based on the

[1:33:14] current staffing and other duties of uh and other areas served by parking

[1:33:18] officers. It's taking uh taking them away from their normal tasks of

[1:33:22] collecting this information. Op- option three is implement permit

[1:33:27] parking on these blocks. This could be problematic again with staffing uh

[1:33:31] current staffing. If residents are required to supply necessary information

[1:33:36] and expenses to obtain obtain permits, they uh deserve consistent enforcement.

[1:33:41] If permanent parking is uh approved on these blocks, there will

[1:33:45] most likely be an effect on surrounding blocks with the displacement of

[1:33:49] non-permanent park- non-permanent vehicles on these blocks. So, as this

[1:33:53] permanent parking ordinance temporary resolution has been in place. We have

[1:33:58] not received feedback from residents saying that we're looking for this, we

[1:34:03] like this. We've actually

[1:34:06] the lack of that information, I think, speaks to the fact that

[1:34:10] it may may lead to residents not going out and getting a permit, and then

[1:34:15] us unnecessarily enforcing permits on residents that don't comply.

[1:34:21] Uh another consideration is that a 90-day temporary resolution receives

[1:34:26] limited interest. It may result in lower compliance rates and requires

[1:34:30] unnecessary enforcement actions against the vehicle that the borough residents

[1:34:33] the program was designed to assist. So, that is our update for the 200

[1:34:39] block. I'll move to the 400 block of West Elm Street, where we did establish

[1:34:44] by ordinance overnight parking. The borough [clears throat] received

[1:34:48] multiple requests from residents of the 400 block of West Elm Street seeking a

[1:34:52] solution to ongoing shortage of off-street parking. Prior to the

[1:34:56] construction of the Madison at West Elm, a permanent parking lot was available

[1:35:00] for West Elm Street residents. Recognizing the continuing need for

[1:35:04] resident parking, the borough worked to reestablish a permit parking program.

[1:35:09] Permits for 20 dedicated overnight parking spaces in the Madison at West

[1:35:13] Elm parking lot became available for purchase on June 1. Demand was immediate

[1:35:18] with 18 of the 20 permits sold within days of becoming available.

[1:35:22] Since the program's implementation, patrol officers have conducted overnight

[1:35:27] monitoring of the parking lot, which began with enforcement, but quickly led

[1:35:31] to compliance with the permit requirements. Residents' feedback has

[1:35:35] been overwhelmingly positive, with many expressing appreciation for the

[1:35:38] borough's ability to develop and implement a practical solution to

[1:35:41] address their parking needs. I would also like to thank our court

[1:35:47] services manager, Cal Kaski, who's here tonight, and our parking enforcement

[1:35:51] officers for conducting these surveys and enforcement during this 90-day

[1:35:55] period.

[1:36:01] » Any questions pertaining related to the

[1:36:04] » Yes. Um

[1:36:08] if we choose not to

[1:36:12] uh move ahead with permanent parking, is this something that can be revisited

[1:36:18] later on? >> Absolutely. We can we can revisit this

[1:36:22] if uh conditions change in the area, we'd be happy to do the same thing and

[1:36:26] and see what uh what the results are after that second study.

[1:36:29] » Right. Cuz uh you mentioned before like conditions are about to change

[1:36:34] imminently as a new uh like restaurant eatery and {slash} sports facility is

[1:36:40] about to go in there. And I believe they have an agreement for parking, but

[1:36:45] that's not to say everyone is who starts going there is going to know where the

[1:36:49] parking is, and that may affect it, but uh rather than say continue with the

[1:36:57] permitted trial until that's built and up and running and everything.

[1:37:03] I mean, my belief is that it might be prudent to

[1:37:06] just pull pull this back given your stats. Um

[1:37:10] but I was interested in the fact that like with the conditions changing, that

[1:37:14] we could revisit it again.

[1:37:18] » We'd be happy to do that. >> Thank you.

[1:37:22] » And and just for the record, right? So, these are two separate parking permits

[1:37:26] issues. This isn't just one overall ordinance. We're going to consider these

[1:37:31] as two separate. >> Yes, and uh both of them were were

[1:37:34] handled differently uh and both on the east side and on the west side.

[1:37:38] » I'll tell you people in my ward are very happy.

[1:37:42] So, they're happy that it's being patrolled.

[1:37:45] And they're very happy to have parking problems with those spaces.

[1:37:51] » Are there creative options for the 5:00 to 9:00 p.m. that we

[1:37:57] could start exploring?

[1:38:01] With that in mind, I'm just thinking

[1:38:05] not to just kind of drop it off, but we

[1:38:09] obviously have the 5:00 to 9:00 issue. So,

[1:38:13] can we try and think is there anything else out there that we can get creative

[1:38:17] with? >> There is commercial parking available

[1:38:21] directly behind our block.

[1:38:27] » That >> I don't know if they I don't think that

[1:38:30] parking is timed either. So, just general timed parking

[1:38:36] between certain between 5:00 to 9:00 might also be an

[1:38:40] option.

[1:38:44] » All right, there's no vote tonight on this,

[1:38:47] but thank you for sharing that data. Helps me make informed decisions, so I

[1:38:52] appreciate it. >> Thank you.

[1:38:54] » Thank you.

[1:38:57] » All right, next item on our agenda is legal matters, and this is considering

[1:39:03] us to authorize the our solicitor to seek party status on behalf of the

[1:39:08] borough in the zoning hearing board proceedings

[1:39:11] regarding the proposed data center in Lower Merion Township.

[1:39:15] So, what I'm looking for is a motion to

[1:39:19] authorize the borough solicitor to go tomorrow evening to seek party status on

[1:39:24] behalf of the borough to the Lower Merion Zoning Board.

[1:39:28] » I'll make that motion. >> I'll second.

[1:39:30] » I have a motion and a second, so all in favor?

[1:39:32] » I. >> I.

[1:39:33] » Anyone opposed? Motion carries.

[1:39:37] You have your orders there, Mr. Solicitor.

[1:39:40] » Thank you.

[1:39:42] » All right. We are at the council member and mayor

[1:39:46] matters section. Um the mayor is not here. Did he send pictures?

[1:39:49] » He did not. >> Oh.

[1:39:51] » He's enjoying his vacation. >> He is enjoying his vacation.

[1:39:55] All right. So, we'll go right down the council

[1:39:59] list. Mr. Frey.

[1:40:04] Every time. I know. Every time I say it wrong.

[1:40:08] » So, uh yeah, I just wanted to say a quick uh

[1:40:12] shout out to the Conshohocken Theater and Arts

[1:40:16] program. It was really, really cool

[1:40:19] um to see the turnout

[1:40:22] the people that came out um and supported it. Really, really good job on

[1:40:27] the actual production value of it. And the performers were

[1:40:32] awesome. Uh

[1:40:34] my daughter came there and she was like, "I think I'll be in the next one."

[1:40:38] And I was like, I was like, "Okay, cool." Like, this is it's really neat

[1:40:41] thing to see. Um so,

[1:40:43] » shows, though. >> I I know. I know. Well, they said they

[1:40:46] told her if she could read, she could be in this one. So, I said, "You got to do

[1:40:49] this one bucks cuz Um

[1:40:53] But, yeah, really good job by everyone involved. And kudos to everyone who got

[1:40:56] it up and running and really put that together. Something to be uh

[1:40:59] be proud of. That's all.

[1:41:02] » And Kathleen, I'm just really proud of Kevin Stackhouse and Frank Colangelo. I

[1:41:07] I think. I'm sorry.

[1:41:10] » Your comments, ma'am. >> Adrian?

[1:41:12] » Adrian. >> I just want to thank the fire department

[1:41:15] and the police. Uh we just had National Night Out last night and last Thursday

[1:41:20] and this Tuesday, we had sprinkler nights in the park. Uh I know my son

[1:41:25] loved it even though he took forever to get changed and only went in there for

[1:41:29] about 5 seconds. So, uh we greatly appreciate it. Um and then

[1:41:33] I mean, it was packed. It it's just great to see that every single time we

[1:41:37] have it, it seems to get a little more and more um

[1:41:41] uh packed. So, that that's great to see.

[1:41:44] So, thank you to the fire department, public works, appreciate you, and also

[1:41:48] to the folks department. >> Alan?

[1:41:51] » Nothing for me.

[1:41:54] » Um for me, yes, the parks were packed. I was

[1:41:58] totally amazed at how packed the parks were um for both of those events.

[1:42:03] Um I also heard feedback that um the kids' music was a hit, and if we could

[1:42:10] do more than one of those in a summer session, they would love to have that.

[1:42:15] Um from Contra Costa Theatre in the Parks,

[1:42:19] um that cast and crew wanted to say thank you to borough administration,

[1:42:25] borough council for supporting them in putting together that show. Um

[1:42:31] we had a very talented group of individuals that

[1:42:35] came from all over, locally and um afar to actually perform, and um I think that

[1:42:44] all the feedback we got um has been spectacular. We did four shows.

[1:42:49] Um we had over 100 people at each show. I think the last show on Saturday, we

[1:42:56] probably had almost 300 people. There were people everywhere at that show as

[1:43:00] well. Um and our looking forward The group is

[1:43:03] looking forward to continuing to um host have us um host them as we move

[1:43:09] forward. They're planning their winter one

[1:43:12] to come to us.

[1:43:16] » All right. Any public comment this evening on anything? Come on, Bev.

[1:43:20] Okay. Tim, Ed,

[1:43:23] Mark. And then

[1:43:26] Sorry. You need You need All right. >> Good evening, everyone. Thank you. Uh

[1:43:31] Tim Beckel, resident of West Elm Street. I wanted to come and speak about the

[1:43:35] Meckauer property, the people street development.

[1:43:38] Uh I live nearby and what it cost us with I'm very supportive of the project.

[1:43:42] I think it's great, you know, to add housing, especially in that location,

[1:43:47] uh compared to recycling kind of industrial use near housing, not great.

[1:43:52] So, uh very supportive of the project. I do want to see move see it move forward.

[1:43:58] There are a couple of things that I wanted to point out. Um there was some

[1:44:02] discussion earlier about removal of trees and one of the things that I don't

[1:44:07] know you can appreciate from an overhead drawing is that

[1:44:12] it sounds like it's only a few trees, like five, six, seven trees, but these

[1:44:15] are like 70-ft tall trees. Um

[1:44:19] so, when you're talking about, you know, mature root systems, the

[1:44:23] contribution to the canopy you don't have enough of, you know, in certain

[1:44:28] areas of the borough. Um you know, it's going to take a long time

[1:44:32] if you're planting 26 trees or whatever they said.

[1:44:36] Um you know, it's going to take a long time

[1:44:37] to get that canopy back or you might not because those are not going to grow to

[1:44:41] the same extent as these mature high trees. Um and one other, you know,

[1:44:47] obviously, you know, being part of the EAC, I care about that

[1:44:50] in general, but I think given this area of the borough, um

[1:44:55] they mentioned flooding issues. I'll trace the pictures here in a second.

[1:44:58] Um but you know, there are some severe

[1:45:01] flooding issues and one of the things that I don't know and I don't understand

[1:45:05] and I don't know enough about it if the storm water

[1:45:09] issues were considered for the removal of the trees from public lands and the

[1:45:13] parties you know, the painting added to the uh

[1:45:18] basically Kinsley's Field, part of that park. You know, so they may say, "Okay,

[1:45:23] we've met we are improving storm water on our property, the full of our

[1:45:27] property, but are we overall in the aggregate contributing to the storm

[1:45:32] water or actually reducing it because of what's happening in the public lands?

[1:45:37] Um and so I'm going to pass pictures around if

[1:45:41] that's all right. Thank you.

[1:45:44] Um there's a couple copies. So, there's severe flooding issues. So, this is a

[1:45:49] picture of my driveway, backyard, August of 2021. Severe flooding. Um I think

[1:45:57] at least a half a dozen cars were totaled.

[1:46:00] Um five to six residents had their houses

[1:46:03] flooded. Uh this is about a week or two before Ida.

[1:46:07] Um my wife was pregnant. It was eight

[1:46:09] months pregnant when this happened. This was not ideal

[1:46:12] to say the least. Um I wanted to thank

[1:46:17] the borough for, you know, I talked to Ray at the time and

[1:46:21] there was a focus on it. So, I don't want to say that nothing's going to be

[1:46:25] considered or looked at. Um

[1:46:28] September 1st, 2021, which I think is Ida, happened, happened again. And I

[1:46:33] think what's happening in the Again, not an expert. The storm water

[1:46:37] drain that's next to Hansel's Folly Park either gets

[1:46:41] overwhelmed and, you know, backs up. I don't know if it's actually backing up

[1:46:45] or if it's getting overwhelmed. Um

[1:46:48] I forgot to put a label on this. This is July of '23.

[1:46:53] Um and then recently it's been a

[1:46:56] couple times in the last month or two.

[1:46:59] Um and these are all I just want to point out, these are all flooding events

[1:47:02] that for the most part have happened during the day when I can actually get a

[1:47:04] picture. But basically any heavy rain we're worried about it. Um

[1:47:10] you know, do I have to move my cars? I you know, I have flood barriers at the

[1:47:13] back of my house. Do I have to put those out? Um

[1:47:17] I think there was heavy rains a couple nights ago. It's like 3:00 a.m. and

[1:47:20] we're like, do I have to I have to go and and see if it's flooding.

[1:47:24] Um I'm not the only resident that's experiencing this.

[1:47:27] Um so, I don't want to say that this project was, you know,

[1:47:31] going to make or break this situation, but I wanted to bring it to your all's

[1:47:34] attention um

[1:47:36] and make sure that the project is not making it worse. Hopefully, it'll help

[1:47:39] the breeze a little bit and bring some focus

[1:47:43] uh to this issue.

[1:47:57] » Ed? >> Yeah, I live on Edgewood Ave.

[1:48:00] 201 West Elm Street, Conshohocken. Um just uh wanted to say thank you for

[1:48:06] the Widener Park, the pocket park down there. Walk by it every couple times

[1:48:09] every day. It's really nice design you've done there. The plantings, the

[1:48:13] trees, the benches. So, they improved that park a lot. It was just a park

[1:48:18] before. Other thing is

[1:48:23] Uh got to give props to the chief.

[1:48:27] Um he's a man of his word. Couple months ago, I came asked about

[1:48:33] flashing light on West Elm Street. Nothing happened.

[1:48:37] Came back, asked again. Nothing happened.

[1:48:41] 2 weeks ago, before a meeting, I talked to him for 4 minutes. I said, "Hey, can

[1:48:46] you look into it?" 8:00 the next morning, it's done.

[1:48:51] Okay. I don't know why the chief had to do it

[1:48:55] because that was 4 months after I asked you guys. "Want to be done now?"

[1:48:59] "We're going to look into it. We're going to look into it."

[1:49:02] He does it. I mean, that's a man. He is as they said about Jake Sullivan, he be

[1:49:09] a man. That thing was done.

[1:49:11] Previously, you talked about um parking issues.

[1:49:16] You're going to do the Main Street, the Fayette Street revision.

[1:49:20] Um Goodwill is worth thousands, thousands of dollars. Your budget shows

[1:49:26] that you make $120,000 in revenue for the parking fines.

[1:49:32] Well, probably have to pay the the

[1:49:35] individuals, parking enforcements, two cars, two guys,

[1:49:40] $50,000 in salary, car, two cars, maintenance,

[1:49:45] payments, insurance, gas, and another 10, 12,000. So, you're really netting

[1:49:51] about 60,000. Go up and down Fayette Street, there's

[1:49:55] no rhyme or reason for the parking there.

[1:50:01] Literally, in front of your building, there's no parking sign, there's no

[1:50:05] restrictions. Across the street, 2 hours.

[1:50:09] In front of PNC and the church, 2 hours.

[1:50:13] Across the street, it's 1 hour time limit, but you got to pay for that.

[1:50:20] You go down in front of the

[1:50:24] the bars, three of the signs say 15-minute to-go

[1:50:29] parking. So, they're running in and out. But you turn the corner

[1:50:33] on First Ave, there's two signs there,

[1:50:38] but then two more parking spots, you got to pay for 1 hour.

[1:50:44] There's no rhyme or reason. Across the street, it right here on your

[1:50:48] side of the building, it's I think 2 hours and 1 hour parking

[1:50:53] free. Next, across the street

[1:50:57] at the deli, you got to pay. But in front of the deli, you don't have

[1:51:02] to pay. On the side of the deli, you do. Perhaps, and you probably guys have

[1:51:06] already thought about this over the years,

[1:51:09] free 2-hour parking. I mean, when you do the new street

[1:51:15] configuration, just think of the positive things that you're going to be

[1:51:19] able to say, work, play, eat, go to school and free parking.

[1:51:24] Just something They're only getting 60 grand. It's not a lot of money. It's not

[1:51:28] going to make a difference in this budget.

[1:51:31] But, it's a lot of goodwill that you'll eventually get. Customers can come

[1:51:36] for lunch and don't have to worry about running out.

[1:51:39] So, like I said, if it was consistent,

[1:51:41] that's one thing. But, it's really inconsistent on

[1:51:45] Fayette up to Fifth Street. So, just wanted to pass that on.

[1:51:48] » Thank you. >> Thanks again, Chief.

[1:51:53] » Marla?

[1:51:56] » Good evening. Marla 19 East 11th Avenue. I By the way, I love this restaurant

[1:52:02] idea. I

[1:52:05] just wanted to say a comment on the data center application limit. As you know,

[1:52:10] I'm the vice chair of the zoning board here in Conshohocken. I just want to

[1:52:13] comment on that application since it's not here for me and in my capacity as a

[1:52:17] private citizen. First of all, thank you to for all the

[1:52:21] council for approving

[1:52:25] the seating party status in that application. I think it's really

[1:52:29] important for the community that our voices be heard and I'm sure my

[1:52:33] computers will do a great job. I I just want to encourage council to

[1:52:40] oppose this application as much as you possibly can. I've seen situations where

[1:52:45] parties don't necessarily oppose the

[1:52:48] application. They might accept conditions. They might

[1:52:52] They might be a settlement. And while I realize there are a lot of hypotheticals

[1:52:55] here and I don't know how the applications are going to play out.

[1:52:59] They've already rejected conditions that were offered to them. And I'm just I'm

[1:53:05] concerned that they're going to try to throw out a few conditions that won't

[1:53:09] really protect the community and um that we may back down because we're up

[1:53:14] against a very deep pocket here and I think that's that's very dangerous.

[1:53:19] So I was reading in the New York Times that there are communities across the

[1:53:23] country that currently are suing data centers because people's home properties

[1:53:30] have now been depreciated. They would you know buy and nobody wants to live in

[1:53:34] a community where um their walls are shaking like they

[1:53:39] live in a nightclub 24 hours a day or where the air is polluted. And I

[1:53:44] think that you know if that happened here then a lot of people who live here,

[1:53:49] probably some of you as well, the most important asset that they own is could

[1:53:54] become depreciated and then you're trapped. You can't leave and

[1:53:59] no one wants to buy your house and we've basically watched the community 50 years

[1:54:04] back uh to a time when people didn't really want to come here. So that's

[1:54:09] basically what I wanted to urge tonight. >> Thank you.

[1:54:12] » Thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:54:15] We'll go

[1:54:18] Okay. >> My name is Chester Davis. I'm from West

[1:54:21] 6th Avenue. My first time I come to a meeting.

[1:54:24] My question is it seems the borough purchased and did purchase that by and

[1:54:29] is by men. What happened with that house that the

[1:54:33] borough was going to update and let them pay it?

[1:54:36] I know I didn't hear anything. Did the borough purchase that house next to the

[1:54:40] new firehouse property? >> Yes, they did.

[1:54:44] » Oh, you did. What did you do with it? >> It's part of that complex.

[1:54:48] » Making a beer? >> Yes.

[1:54:50] » Ah. That's going to be enormous.

[1:54:52] » It it helps with the turnaround for the trucks. I think was the main reason.

[1:54:57] » Yeah, the and some engineering >> In that alleyway that is next to the A

[1:55:02] stadium. Uh there's

[1:55:04] a garage back there basically and that street itself is pretty narrow that us

[1:55:10] getting that would greatly help our ability to move the trucks in and out of

[1:55:15] that street. >> Okay.

[1:55:17] Can I ask my question? >> Thank you for coming.

[1:55:20] » Come back anytime. Our pleasure. Come back anytime.

[1:55:25] » Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Your turn.

[1:55:31] » Uh my name is Jennifer Fields. I was resident in Contra Costa 24 years but I

[1:55:37] still have property here on the 200 block of

[1:55:40] uh East Elm. So, we were part of the study that was

[1:55:45] just completed for parking. What I'll say is

[1:55:49] uh in 2013 we purchased the property and we

[1:55:53] went through about 3 and 1/2 months of pretty heavy cleaning up, renovating,

[1:56:00] making the property livable. Every day we were there, sometimes every

[1:56:04] night we were there, weekends, uh mornings,

[1:56:09] and still go every week because we maintain

[1:56:13] the property and we take care of the issues that come up and I'll just say

[1:56:18] that the findings of the study are exactly my experience. So, that's that

[1:56:24] was really good. I was like, "Hey, I can read that slide."

[1:56:28] Um but there's a couple of things that I

[1:56:30] just like to share because when it first rolled out, we had no idea why. We just

[1:56:35] got this thing, "Hey, everybody should uh have permits." And we didn't have a

[1:56:40] reason why. So, I I thank you for explaining

[1:56:43] why we went through uh the pilot there.

[1:56:47] Um

[1:56:49] A lot of questions came to my mind as it was going on and so

[1:56:54] I don't feel strongly one way or the other.

[1:56:57] As it rolls out forward, maybe we will need it. Right now, I don't think we do,

[1:57:02] but some of the issues that came to mind, for example, um what about

[1:57:08] non-resident property owners? What about contractors, caretakers, health care

[1:57:12] providers, family and friends who come to visit? What do we do with them if

[1:57:16] residents have parking passes and they don't, and there's a potential for

[1:57:21] uh tickets. And as Ed said, well, yeah, we're not going to create a lot of

[1:57:25] goodwill if you do that in the neighborhood. Um

[1:57:30] Really, if we're going to deliver a program like that, it should be without

[1:57:34] cost or inconvenience to people who live there.

[1:57:38] There's always been ebb and flow of parking down there. You've got lots of

[1:57:42] visitors that come to the park, for example. They come. Some people have

[1:57:47] picnics there, basketball games. And there's people who bring their kids in

[1:57:52] minivans, and they offload, and they go to the park. There's also a lot of

[1:57:56] bikers and a lot of trail users, so they'll show up at 8:00 in the morning

[1:58:01] and offload their bike and go down to the trail and just be there for a few

[1:58:04] hours. During the day, at least on the lower

[1:58:08] uh 200 block, parking is never a problem. The opposite side of the street

[1:58:13] has no houses. Find Remodeling, I think used to be there. I don't know what the

[1:58:17] status of that building is. But if that changes,

[1:58:21] we may need to have a conversation about parking. But right now,

[1:58:24] uh those statistics are right. 5:00 to 9:00, because there are restaurants,

[1:58:29] um is really a little more work to find a parking place, but I, in 10 years, 11,

[1:58:35] 12, 13 years, haven't ever had a guest uh

[1:58:40] complain about parking. My brother lives there full-time. He's never said, "I

[1:58:44] have to park six blocks down." It's never been an issue to find a spot.

[1:58:48] So, for our 200 block, I think that the decision is to table it until there's an

[1:58:54] actual issue that we can't figure out in an easier way. Maybe

[1:58:59] but I think in fact when the street was closed for paving last year

[1:59:04] we all found parking wasn't wasn't a a big deal.

[1:59:08] Um so that's all I just wanted to share. I I appreciate the conversation. I

[1:59:13] appreciate the study. It confirms everything that I was already aware of

[1:59:16] and I hope you guys make a good decision about that. Thank you.

[1:59:21] » Thank you. Thank you.

[1:59:25] » Anyone else in the audience for public comments?

[1:59:31] Brittany, I asked you if anything came in but we're not necessarily

[1:59:35] televising this.

[1:59:39] All right. So we'll post our recording. We will do our

[1:59:45] best with whatever recording we were able to capture. Yes. It is not going to

[1:59:50] be great quality and we will do our best to post what we can.

[1:59:54] » Okay. >> Um I guess with that what I would say is

[1:59:58] if there are additional questions about topics on the agenda, please reach out

[2:00:02] to either administration or your anyone from council. You don't have to go to

[2:00:06] your council member if that's uncomfortable. Anyone from council and

[2:00:10] we will get you the answers that you um need that you didn't get to see from

[2:00:15] the live streaming. Anyone else? Going once. Going twice.

[2:00:20] This was a fruitful meeting today and I am going to

[2:00:24] call it adjourned.

Borough of Conshohocken Regular Meeting | August 5, 2026

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