[0:00] Good afternoon. Welcome to the Parks Commission. Work session on September 3rd, and we'll go around for introductions. Patty Scott, I'm a part commissioner. Jared Schmidt. I'm a part commissioner. Jamie Faraday. Greg Hamlet.

[0:24] And doesn't look like we have, we have a couple people online. Nope. All right.

[0:30] All right, we'll move into public comment.

[0:35] Is there any,

[0:50] all right, Heidi?

[0:52] Yes.

[0:54] Hi.

[0:55] Mingus Peplball.

[0:56] Okay, so I heard it was on the docket anyways, so I guess I'm just standing up here to

[1:00] tell you guys that I'm here to like wanting to get the courts, like half the courts up at

[1:05] the Mingus Park, converted into or re-designated into the Peplball Court, into a couple or three

[1:11] pickle ball courts. So I guess we're on a docket though already. So I'm gonna sit

[1:16] back down. Thank you. All right Eric bike lanes. Yes that's me. I can't read you're

[1:27] writing for your last names. Oh yeah sorry that's typical for me.

[1:33] Yeah so Eric

[1:34] who's way higher everybody. I just wanted to take a read a letter okay that it's

[1:42] It's going to take me a couple of minutes, not super long, but it's only one page actually.

[1:49] And it's from our community by shop.

[1:51] And I don't have it signed.

[1:52] This is a letter addressed to the City Council, the Mayor, City Manager, and the Public Works

[1:58] Director.

[1:59] And so I'll be signing, well, our board members will be signing this letter, excuse me, tomorrow

[2:05] and I'll be delivering it.

[2:06] So, this letter says Front Street Community Bike Works and the cycling community we represent are writing to express serious concerns regarding the city's ongoing failure to adequately provide and fund bicycle infrastructure consistent with Oregon's Bicycle Bill or S366.514.

[2:32] So if you don't know that's the bicycle bill, it's been around for 50 years started in 1972.

[2:39] For more than 50 years Oregon laws required that bicycle and pedestrian facilities be given meaningful consideration in the planning, construction and reconstruction and improvement of public roadways.

[2:53] The bicycle bill reflects the state's clear policy that transportation systems should safely accommodate all users,

[2:59] not solely motor vehicles. Despite this legal mandate, our community remains

[3:06] without safe and connected bicycle facilities. I think we all know that.

[3:11] Numerous road improvement projects have been completed recently, including the

[3:16] Forest Street redevelopment, two, three years ago that was, Coos Village

[3:20] Development on the waterfront, Ocean On-Go, the ongoing Ocean Boulevard housing

[3:27] development. While major gaps in the Bicycle Network persist, forcing cyclists to travel

[3:35] in unsafe conditions or for-go bicycle transportation altogether.

[3:41] FSCBW, Front Street Community Bike Works, coordinated a modest bike lane proposal, Front Street

[3:47] to Mingus Sheros, you probably all familiar with that, through the City Council and Parks

[3:51] Commission, only to have the proposal rejected after more than two years of effort. These

[3:57] These deficiencies, all totaled, undermine public safety, transportation equity, environmental

[4:03] goals, and demonstrate a failure to meet the intent of Oregon law.

[4:08] The city's failure to make reasonable investments in bicycle infrastructure raises important

[4:13] questions regarding compliance with Oregon's bicycle bill law and related state transportation

[4:20] policies.

[4:22] Residents are entitled to know how to require bike-ped funds that are come to the city every year

[4:29] are being allocated and why bicycle facilities have not been provided where they appear warranted.

[4:36] Accordingly, Front Street Community Bike Works and the cycling community we represent

[4:40] requests that the city do the following.

[4:43] Explain how the city evaluates compliance with Oregon's bicycle bill during project planning and implementation.

[4:51] A count for why bicycle facilities were omitted from the 4th Street Reconstruction, the

[4:56] Cougs Village Development and Ocean Boulevard Housing

[5:00] And the legal or engineering basis for these decisions. Commit to incorporating safe bicycle

[5:07] facilities into future roadway projects whenever required or appropriate under state law.

[5:14] In particular, commit to a construction of a buffered bike lane on ocean boulevard that

[5:21] provides a safe riding environment along this important connection between empire and downtown

[5:27] Cougs Bay. In addition, we ask that bike and pedestrian friendly crossing infrastructure

[5:34] be installed on Bayshore, Northbound Highway 101, at Market Street, and Alder Street.

[5:41] So we are urging the city to treat this matter with the seriousness it deserves and to work

[5:47] honestly and collaboratively with residents and the cycling community to achieve full compliance

[5:53] with Oregon's long standing commitment to bicycle and pedestrian transportation.

[5:59] That's a lot.

[6:00] And so that's the end.

[6:02] And that's what I wanted to present to you all.

[6:06] I'll be turning this into the city, I guess maybe Monday next week.

[6:11] So I'm happy to address any questions or any other thoughts if you want or I'll just sit down.

[6:21] That was going to be my question who's going to present this at the Council and we are

[6:28] going to be discussing related things,

[6:33] this meeting, but yeah, with you.

[6:39] Yeah, thank you.

[6:40] Yeah.

[6:41] So like I said, we have a board meeting tomorrow night and I'm planning to get all our board members

[6:46] are going to sign the letter and then we'll deliver to City Hall.

[6:49] So that'll be Monday.

[6:50] this coming Monday, right?

[6:53] Thank you.

[6:54] This Monday is Sunday.

[6:57] Labor Day, okay. Tuesday.

[6:59] Tuesday. Tuesday.

[7:00] Tuesday. Tuesday.

[7:01] Monday is Labor Day, holiday.

[7:03] I won't be here Tuesday.

[7:05] It'll be next week sometimes.

[7:07] Maybe when you're at your earliest convenience.

[7:09] Yeah. Am I or thank you, Greg?

[7:10] My earliest convenience, so.

[7:12] Thank you.

[7:15] All right, moving on to our work session topics.

[7:18] The first one.

[7:19] Can I say something I was a little late to say?

[7:21] Oh, sure.

[7:23] Thank you, I'm sorry, I was late.

[7:25] My name's Dean Lundy.

[7:26] I have a bike shop in Charleston.

[7:31] And I wanted to, I don't know if you guys heard me celebrate.

[7:35] There was a new law passed June 5th of this year in Salem.

[7:40] It's the bike bill.

[7:41] We've been working on it for 50 years.

[7:43] And it states that it is in law

[7:46] that any new road in the state of Oregon has to have a sidewalk and a bike path

[7:53] and any major improvement in the state of Oregon has to have a sidewalk and

[7:58] a bike path. And I think they're going to work on on the Cape Ericle. But they

[8:04] also unveiled O-dot, unveiled a new coast route, the bicycle map, and I have a

[8:11] blow-up.

[8:17] But each each town has a little big event of what they suggest here.

[8:27] And the original red line shows the original blood alley where they send you up and over

[8:36] but the new one, the alternate one, shows what we've been working on as far as to connect the boardwalk

[8:42] and what Eric said about Ocean Boulevard.

[8:46] The orange line is the new proposed bike path and it's really hip.

[8:53] It goes on the north side of the Empire Lakes all the way to Empire where I'm at

[8:59] and then it shows coming back down ocean boulevard and it also shows the alternate path along Highway 101, which I have a 900 foot piece of

[9:13] I'm gonna try and do a sidewalk on my 900 feet of 101 awful on the on the water side of 101. So anyway, this is our little town on the

[9:23] the the visitor center has the new

[9:26] So, um, ODOT, a Coast Bicycle, maps, and I've hit them up as many as they'll give me.

[9:33] So, you're on your own.

[9:35] When does the bike bill come into?

[9:39] Oh, it went into law.

[9:40] June 5th.

[9:41] But when is it effective?

[9:44] Effective?

[9:45] January?

[9:45] No, no, no.

[9:46] It was effective right there.

[9:48] All the politicians were there.

[9:49] Kiss and babies.

[9:50] It happened right there.

[9:51] It's Senate Bill of 4-0-0-7.

[9:54] I think.

[9:56] Thank you.

[10:01] All right. Moving on to the Mingus Park Pickleball Court Proposal Discussion. So we have a proposal in our packet.

[10:11] We had a proposal in your packet. I'll read just a quick summary. The first commission will discuss a community proposal to re-designate one of the two tennis courts at Mingus Park for dedicated or primary pickable use while retaining the other court for tennis.

[10:27] The proposal site's growing demand for pickleball,

[10:32] limited court availability on the south side of Kusbe and the development of a nearby school pickleball club.

[10:39] It also recommends evaluating the court's condition and use, identifying necessary improvements in pursuing community fundraising and volunteering support.

[10:49] The commission is asked to determine whether the proposal should advance to a future regular meeting for

[10:56] formal consideration and a possible recommendation to city council.

[11:02] So with that, I'll turn it over to the commission for discussion.

[11:05] Welcome, Chair.

[11:09] My apologies.

[11:11] Commissioner discussion?

[11:12] Petty, I'll just chime in and say, I totally support this happening.

[11:18] I lived a pickleball experience in my day job at Swach and we did the same thing.

[11:26] We took two of our tennis courts and turned them into the eight, six pick-a-ball courts, and they're used almost.

[11:37] If we had lights out there, I would say they'd probably be 24-7 hours a day, one of the weather's good, and then they come inside and use their facility when the weather's bad.

[11:50] But it's such a popular sport, it's growing, and there needs to be more space, in my opinion, for pickleballers around the Kusbe, North Bend area.

[12:03] So I'm in favor of this proposal.

[12:07] All right, take a minute, come on.

[12:12] Sounds good.

[12:13] Yeah, I mean, I'm going to heart back to this thing again when the skate park came up.

[12:19] I talked about putting a pick-a-ball court where that tennis court was when the fence got

[12:25] tore down and I think we lost the net then so basically we had that empty space and we

[12:31] turned it over to the skateboard park. It would have been an opportune time to put in a

[12:36] pick-a-ball court there to tell you the truth and might have been a better location for one.

[12:43] Because of that, the only two tennis courts that the city has are the ones that are up there

[12:49] at the very top.

[12:50] And I agree, Pickleball's gotten very, very, very popular

[12:54] and I can see.

[12:56] And I thought I was supporting a Pickleball court down

[12:59] by the skateboard park.

[13:01] The only concern that I have is, again,

[13:04] maybe you can fill me in about it.

[13:06] Are we going to use both courts up there?

[13:08] Are we going to use one court?

[13:09] And how many Pickleball courts are we

[13:11] going to put in on that one court?

[13:12] She was three.

[13:13] Probably four.

[13:15] Well, I don't think you can get four in on one court.

[13:17] Excuse me, Bill.

[13:19] I can't move.

[13:20] Bill?

[13:20] Come to the nine final.

[13:21] Would you please step up to the second?

[13:23] Thank you.

[13:24] Yeah, I was just going to say I tried to look a little bit about doing this.

[13:28] I think it seems like it's really feasible to put in two on one court.

[13:33] Normally you could put in two pickleball courts on each side of a tennis court.

[13:40] A pickleball court is 20 by 40 by 44.

[13:43] I was going to say the thing that I saw was you could do too easily on one court and three

[13:51] potentially, you're basically going across the court and just lengthwise ways, but I saw

[13:58] and I just wanted to get in my mind what your thoughts were on what you wanted to do.

[14:05] And then also kind of what you wanted to do as far as how do you envision

[14:11] setting it up as a pickleball court. And I guess what I'm getting at, I mean, you can

[14:17] leave the tennis lines in and paint pickleball courts in different color. You can, I read

[14:23] some stuff that says pickleball surfaces are usually a little bit different than tennis

[14:29] courts. Not really, not really. Okay. Because there was, and some of these articles, there

[14:34] was consideration about, it's not saying you have to do it. None of these articles said that,

[14:38] but a lot of them resurfaced the court because of the difference in the balls.

[14:43] The light plastic balls are close to a tennis court. Well, we played down at

[14:47] Pony Cricksloo. There's a tennis court down there and they were tennis courts and we just went

[14:52] in there and painted the lines and we have our own portable nets and we did that for years until

[15:00] We moved up to swap. And there was never a problem with that. Did you paint them different colors? No, not really. I mean, they would intersect at some point. But we never had a problem at all. As far as the lines and because, like I said, a pickleball court is 44 by 20. And there's a kitchen, which is, I know it's a weird sport.

[15:29] I've actually read that and found that amazing.

[15:31] But yeah, and those are the only lines we would have.

[15:37] It was just, I think, one of the issues that I read was making sure there was enough room

[15:41] around the court too for people to try to get, try to get.

[15:45] But like at this point, we just came up with this idea like a month and a half ago.

[15:51] And I could not tell you exactly how those courts are going to be set up because we have volunteers

[15:59] who are surveyors, who will go up there and figure out, you know, as the maximum use,

[16:06] I would think there would be two, there would be four pegable clerks.

[16:09] So I think the purpose of today is deciding if we wanted to come to a full parks commission

[16:14] and then ask you to come to a full parks commission with the proposed layout.

[16:19] So I think this is the first step is to see that if it should go to a parks commission for

[16:23] a vote and then at that commission meeting we would like to see the actual layout.

[16:28] Okay.

[16:29] Yeah.

[16:30] That's good.

[16:30] And I'm not against it just as I really want some public see through some public comment

[16:36] about the tennis courts because we had those two ladies come in before and basically what

[16:40] we do is we get the city down to one tennis court and maybe that's enough but I'd like to

[16:46] hear from other people.

[16:47] Oh, yeah.

[16:48] I heard.

[16:48] You can see what they said.

[16:50] Yeah.

[16:51] So I like it.

[16:52] Dennis used to be really popular now.

[16:53] It's not.

[16:54] I think the ball is really popular, maybe in 10 years it won't be.

[16:58] Because they've done the same thing over there, our Simpson part, it's half and half.

[17:05] But so far we've contacted Farrers and they have offered a pleasure, they're support.

[17:13] Keeze Bay Toyota has offered his pledge to someplace else, but we've submitted the same

[17:22] exact proposal to the rotary and from what I saw it didn't look like it's very expensive.

[17:29] No, no, not at all. We would imagine it would probably be less than $1,000 if $500.

[17:41] We need you at the final. I said, like pick falls accessible from ages, like the middle school has

[17:50] it in their gym classes now all the way up to, I mean, I think I got schooled by an 88 year old

[17:56] the other day. Yeah so it's more accessible than tennis whereas tennis like is I would say it's a younger person's sport you wouldn't find a you know 85-year-old out there.

[18:10] The 260-some-year-old ladies that came and talked to us will be happy to hear they're younger.

[18:15] They are younger than the people that I played against. And it's a more diverse population of pickable players and we're not taking away

[18:24] a functional tennis court because that tennis court doesn't function right

[18:28] now. They came and complained to us when I think the net was stolen and some

[18:35] other stuff was going on because that's where they play a lot of time.

[18:39] So, right, we talk about that when we put the ones in a swap, two ladies came and got their net, their net.

[18:49] And we ended up buying a new net for a barrier.

[18:56] That's interesting.

[18:57] Jamie, any questions?

[19:03] Kurt, pretty much.

[19:04] All right.

[19:08] I just like to remind the commission that there are actually just three tennis courts.

[19:12] We have two up in Mingus Park and Warren Avenue side, up at the Windy Park, at the top

[19:21] of that street and 14.

[19:22] Now just also want to remind the commission, well I don't know if I mentioned it at the

[19:27] last meeting or not, I did give a citizen a inquiry that they wanted to volunteer to rehabilitate

[19:35] that tennis court, repain it, re-stripe it, re-net it, they wanted to do that. I told them

[19:45] that we would support that. We wanted to volunteer to do that. I sent them some information

[19:52] on how to volunteer for the city and I haven't heard back yet, but obviously we would support

[19:58] that.

[19:58] Which court was that?

[20:00] It's a winny park. Yeah, because it's in terrible shape. Yeah, it's in, it's in, it's in really bad shape. And so is the little basketball court on the other side. Behind the building as well. So.

[20:15] And we have contacted the big fire department. There's no water up there. And they said they would bring a tanker at some point. They would bring a tanker truck up there. And we could use that for high pressure washing.

[20:28] Okay. They were no problem with it.

[20:33] So we're just looking for a general consensus on if they should move on to discussion at

[20:38] the parks commission. I'm hearing mostly in favor that we're doing so. Yep. Yep. So

[20:43] yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So our expectation at that is to have a layout of what it would

[20:50] actually look like. So all the complete information. So with that, I guess the next question

[20:56] would be at the next park's commission which is literally in like we can have two weeks.

[21:02] Would that give you enough time to put together? Do you want to wait till the following

[21:05] month of October, the end of the week, but I'll get a hold of you.

[21:12] Let's plan on maybe October. Yeah, we have enough time to prepare in a meaningful way for

[21:17] you folks and that'll give me enough time to put together a staff report based on the information

[21:22] that they give us.

[21:23] Yes, I'm logical, okay, all right, and it this does happen. You think you're we get your approval

[21:29] We might get this done film next spring because of the weather change

[21:35] Yeah, you know

[21:36] Three or four different phases and then I also want to make sure we have enough public notification to offer any public comment that may come in as well. Yeah

[21:45] All right. Thank you so much. All right. Thank you. Thank you bill and we'll give that sounds great. Thank you

[21:53] Thank you. All right, thanks.

[21:55] Great. We're moving on down to work session item 3B, presentation of planned bicycle and pedestrian improvements associated with 2027 road and sidewalk projects.

[22:07] So, um, if you guys notice the layout of the staff reports a little bit different.

[22:14] So we have a little bit more robust summary.

[22:17] And then we have the actual request and we have a background that if you like I can read just a summary or I can read the entire thing.

[22:24] It's entirely up to you.

[22:26] We'd like you to read it entirely twice.

[22:30] Summary is fine.

[22:31] Patty was shaking her head. She was running the meeting earlier.

[22:33] I like the way she was running the meeting.

[22:36] Do you want me to leave? I guess I'm leaving.

[22:38] No, absolutely. We'll just read the summary and then I can answer any specific questions that you folks might have in regards to.

[22:45] the roads and the selection and how we came up with these selections and stuff like that.

[22:53] So staff is presenting the road rehabilitation sidewalk accessibility and

[22:57] payment repair projects plan for fiscal year ending 2227, including the bicycle and

[23:02] pedestrian improvements incorporated into the current project scopes.

[23:06] These improvements include restriping, the existing bicycle lanes on Newmark Avenue.

[23:11] adding dedicated, adding new dedicated bicycle lanes on South Forest Street, and constructing sidewalks,

[23:20] constructing identified sidewalks and ADA compliant ramps, broader bicycle and pedestrian network

[23:26] improvements will be addressed through the city's comprehensive bicycle and pedestrian planning process.

[23:32] I do also want to just remind the commission, the last paragraph of the staff report is that

[23:39] The city is also in the early planning stages of developing a comprehensive bicycle and pedestrian plan because it proposed fiscal year end in 2027 projects will be designed and constructed before the plan is available the commissions review provides an opportunity to identify immediate bicycle and pedestrian concerns or potential improvements that could reasonably be incorporated into these projects broader questions regarding the city's bicycle and pedestrian network priorities and long term connections will be evaluated through

[24:09] the comprehensive planning process. So that's part of that TGM grant that City

[24:15] applied for and did get but we don't anticipate having that plan until maybe fall

[24:24] late summer fall next year after the fiscal year ends so maybe we can

[24:30] incorporate some of those ideas into fiscal year ending 2028 projects but we

[24:38] We just won't have that document available to us until then.

[24:44] And so with that, I'll turn it over to the commission and we can see how we pan out here.

[24:52] All right.

[24:52] Jamie?

[24:53] I did send out this to the bicycle and pedestrian.

[25:00] The fact-finding committee with some maps that apparently had some wonky markings of where these were happening. And these are mainly just to summarize what wasn't read is that there are patches of road that definitely need working. And they are one to two to three blocks long to take care of horrible surfaces.

[25:27] is one of which the North Lawson Street between Taylor and John Street is part of the

[25:38] alternate coastal O-dot bikeway and I would recommend if there's any way within the 15

[25:50] 10% budgeting to make that segment comply with, if there is, I looked up the Senate bill that Mr.

[26:07] Lundy suggested it doesn't seem to be the right one who's referring to electric motor bicycles rather than bikeways.

[26:18] So I'm not sure which one is referring to, but if that's true and we need to do that then we should

[26:24] think about that segment between John and Taylor on

[26:29] Washington actually on Google Earth that shows as

[26:34] Lake Shore Drive at that point, but

[26:40] You're talking about the North Washington between Taylor and John right

[26:44] so

[26:48] Did look at that

[26:51] That roadway has got some constraints to it, so it has pretty wide at the tailor and

[26:58] a washing intersection. Then it proceeds north, it bottlenecks down into a much more narrow

[27:07] road profile, road width. It's right at the spot where the cars go off the road all the time.

[27:14] Yeah, I think so. They kind of dip their tires off. I think it could go from a 36 width,

[27:19] 36 wide road paved surface to a 28 wide paved surface so right now based off of

[27:30] the budget that we have and the the design that we currently have I didn't

[27:37] propose any there because I don't know if they would if I can safely do that

[27:44] in that area but we can definitely look at it.

[27:47] it would require, I mean I assume there's a right of way that you could widen it in that narrow

[27:53] section but because of that it isn't it's going to be. It would require, yeah it would be much

[27:59] more expensive sidewalks, curbs, gutters and then I don't have any connectivity anywhere else

[28:05] through that area but doesn't mean that we can't look at it. I have no idea how this these things

[28:13] to go forward, but if it was such that you got through the other projects and your under-budget

[28:20] adding it to this one, waiting to the end of the process to put it into that particular one, which is an important segment.

[28:30] When people in this area bicycle between Empire, North Bend, Cruz Bay, they'll either take their chances on upon ocean,

[28:40] which is safer than other places like Newmark,

[28:43] or they'll take Lakeshore because it is a very safe,

[28:47] very little traffic right of way.

[28:53] So it is used now by locals and they're

[29:01] saying the ones, the people that come down the coast

[29:04] are classic and true.

[29:06] So you're asking how I got 15% contingency

[29:10] as used or how I did those and so what we'll do is we'll get our design put

[29:15] together we'll send it out for bid and these numbers that I have in here are

[29:18] just my estimates as are my based off of my experience based off of the

[29:24] projects that I've seen over the course of last few years this is how much it

[29:27] costs to do the work that I'm proposing so I'll send it out and then I'll get

[29:33] numbers last year I was I was way high with my estimates they were extremely high

[29:38] but I think I have some very hungry contractors.

[29:41] ODOT didn't put any projects out last year,

[29:44] and so the numbers that I got were well below my estimates.

[29:48] So I put together my bids, I send them out,

[29:52] I get numbers back, and then I have to put a 15-part contingency

[29:56] on top of that number that I get from them.

[30:00] So, let's just say that I'll just throw a number out that I get a job for $100,000. I estimated at $250,000. So, I get that approval, but I get the actual project is $100,000. I get a 15% contingency on that, I get $15,000. And that contingency is for unknowns, it's for things that we just don't know about. And so, that's where that contingency comes into. It's not to add on,

[30:28] Special things are add-on additional things. It's only for things that we just were not anticipating that would have to be in the

[30:35] What is it an RFP? That would be in the bid documents bid document. You have an alternate

[30:41] You could put it in an alternate, but that would be accounted for and that would be a big we I'd have to award it as

[30:50] I'm gonna go with the alternate or I'm not gonna go with the alternate I can't award it and then at the alternate sure on sure

[30:57] So could if it was feasible and there was a decision that the parks made to say yes, let's do this for this segment.

[31:07] Again, we could definitely look into it.

[31:09] I don't know if I physically can, safely can, but we could definitely look into it.

[31:16] I would support Jamie and the standpoint of doing whatever that we can there.

[31:21] I've actually ridden that lakeshore thing on the back, too, for the very same reason.

[31:25] Although Ocean Ballvard is really good, except where there's four linings we'll try.

[31:29] Always say I wish we could get rid of and go to three lanes and bike lanes on either side.

[31:36] If, you know, I'm not saying let's not take, let's take a look and see if we can put any kind of bike lane there, I think we'd be great.

[31:43] But let's also think about alternatives.

[31:46] You know, Eric's in the room and he started with the share of the road thing when we were

[31:50] trying to look at some stuff on market and that signage that you can actually put on a road.

[31:55] I mean, if this is going to be the route for the Oregon coast bikes and if we absolutely

[32:01] can't put in any bike lanes there because there isn't any space, can we look at what other

[32:07] alternatives we might do as far as paying those share ons on the road and stuff.

[32:11] because I will also tell you that I've met bikers when I've been writing and they've gotten lost.

[32:20] And that would actually help them navigate too, as far as this Oregon bike trail is concerned.

[32:27] So my suggestion would be if we have any of the Oregon bike trail inside of our city limits,

[32:33] we ought to maybe do something like that to make it a little bit safer and also help identify it for the people.

[32:39] Well, and perhaps maybe it will be flushed out in the comprehensive bike plan if the Oregon

[32:46] trails is going to change or alter their route, maybe there will be some financial support

[32:52] through the state to offer up some of that signage or some kind of routing for a bicyclist

[33:03] to be able to safely navigate through the city or even know where to go, not just safely

[33:09] So we're just to even navigate through the city so they're not getting lost.

[33:14] Yeah, that's a good point and I presume that ODOT would be involved with 101, 5 and 540 but I don't know if they're

[33:25] going to support signage on the alternate route.

[33:29] Yeah, I don't know.

[33:32] I'm just thinking if you have a brand new resurfaced road there that's in its nice and clean that's probably

[33:37] the best time of the world. You're going to paint something on it, to paint on it.

[33:42] Thanks. I made it up.

[33:45] Sure.

[33:47] Penny, are you good?

[33:51] It took a look at the rest of those roads.

[33:55] I didn't see a lot of opportunity there for pedestrians or bicyclists.

[34:00] and I always got to remind ourselves that the

[34:02] districts are important as well so and I I talked to

[34:12] Grigman before we first started here in the

[34:14] Arden who maintained the bike lanes on new

[34:19] mark that are currently there so that's good.

[34:23] Yeah we're going to put in new stencils kind of

[34:27] wore out or maybe the some reason we're not

[34:29] put in but we're going to put new stencils in along a new mark from the city limits to the extent to the project.

[34:39] And then we're adding two new bike lanes on South Forest Street for that one block that we're working on.

[34:50] Now you see the potholes are clustered is this because we've done such a good job at mitigating all the other potholes.

[34:56] Oh, uh, the potholes really were just here as uh...

[35:00] Just letting you guys know that we're going to be working on a bunch of potholes, not really necessarily for comment about bike and pet, because they're just potholes. But they are clustered. We try to do that for a couple of reasons. A is mobilization for the contractor. Try to keep them pretty close to each other. Keep them in certain areas so that the mobilization fees and cost to move their equipment.

[35:30] what they do is they'll bring in a very large grinder to do that work, you know, it'll be here for just a couple of days, and they'll go through and they'll grind out all of the pot locations, and then they'll come back and pave behind it just for efficiency.

[35:44] see. So, and then we actually been pretty good. I think for the course of the last two years,

[35:53] we've done over a thousand potholes repairs in the city. It's a lot nicer riding on these

[35:59] roads and some other roads in the area. Well, and I think that, I mean, it is pertinent to

[36:06] multimodal traffic because I saw skateboarder hit this pothole last week and nearly knocked him.

[36:12] Which Paolo is that?

[36:13] The one up the, as you turn to go up to Telegraph up by date.

[36:18] You shouldn't have been right over there.

[36:19] Well, you know, a lot of time, a lot of time, a lot of traffic.

[36:22] I'm joking.

[36:24] But he hit it at a pretty good speed.

[36:26] I don't know where the definition of Paolo is, but kind of,

[36:28] one of these is 2,400 square feet.

[36:31] 2,400 square feet?

[36:34] Yeah.

[36:35] That's not a Paolo.

[36:37] That's a, I don't know.

[36:38] Well, we also try to get, well,

[36:39] And these potholes are bigger than the potholes that we as staff will repair.

[36:47] So we do about, staff will do about 300 potholes a year, 350 smaller potholes, but these are

[36:55] larger potholes.

[36:56] And what we try to capture in this pothole project is roads that are damaged that are going

[37:01] going to be a poll or continue, you know, that if we don't address it, they're allegated

[37:07] out. The payment has been fractured enough, and we're just going to capture it because

[37:14] we're there, might as well. And so, yeah, some of them are pretty long, but we want to capture

[37:20] it before it becomes a much more cost to repair in the future.

[37:25] One last thought that I had about the road winding and the pedestrian and bicycle set is that

[37:33] I know you probably do this, I know you do this, but from the standpoint of you do that

[37:38] sort of stuff, there's some cognizance of impediments to bike riding.

[37:44] I had a bike riding friend as far as the drainage grills are concerned, making sure that they're

[37:51] the right way so that when I'm writing on a road a bike tire doesn't go into it and that

[37:55] sort of stuff so yeah just a fun yes and then all of our grates that are associated

[38:03] with like an ADA ramp or ADA compliance so they're going to be really close together

[38:08] less than half an inch separation in the grates I think it's actually less than that I want

[38:13] say they're a quarter-inch to three-eighths of an inch, almost solid, and it's almost

[38:20] like why even have a great, but it does work. But yeah, they are all ADA-compliant

[38:25] that fall with an ADA ramp, and then all of our all of our grates are bicycle-compliant,

[38:32] so we'll put them, you know, perpendicular to instead of parallel with, so that we don't

[38:38] award cyclists and get a bicycle tire stuck in a great, be bad.

[38:44] Okay, thank you.

[38:47] Any staff and commissioner and closing comments, Paddy?

[38:51] Jerry?

[38:52] Yeah, I took my dog through Mingus on the walk in between work in this meeting,

[38:58] and I just wanted to tell Greg tell his team thanks for redoing all those boardwalk in the Mingus.

[39:06] Oh, yeah.

[39:06] It looks really nice and thank you for I was like this is really pleasant

[39:10] So like making metal note. Thank Greg

[39:12] So thank you for for all of that. It really makes a difference

[39:17] Thank you

[39:19] Yeah, I always say Mingus Park looks really good and I know top of spark has come along to you guys to a great job

[39:28] you know

[39:30] Again, it's probably more for the bike and pad advisory committee, but there's a lot more electric bikes than they're used to be around.

[39:42] And I know of Jamie Siddies, what he looked up on that Senate bill had maybe had something to do with electric bikes.

[39:49] And I look something, the rules for electric bikes in Washington and Oregon have changed.

[39:54] It used to be had to be 16 or older. Now, if it's a class one, you can be 14 or

[40:00] And for a class two and class three, you have to be 16-year-older. But the interesting thing is a class one electric bike is a pedal assist bike that doesn't go over 20 miles an hour. The class two bike can be a pedal or an in throttle assist, but it doesn't go over 28. And a class three is a pedal assist only that doesn't go over 28. And I swear to God there's some electric bikes on the road around here that don't meet those criteria. I would almost consider them electric motorcycles.

[40:30] And I don't know, I just don't want electric bikes to get a bad name because I think it encourages people to ride bicycles and it's great to see them on the road.

[40:42] But it was probably more an enforcement problem than I don't know how to address that, but I thought I would just mention that.

[40:50] Thank you. Jamie closing comments?

[40:52] I got a notice from Cricut that there's a bench by the visitor center that's

[41:02] not looking good.

[41:05] So if there's a need for a memorial bench, either that one could be refurbished or replaced.

[41:18] Great, closing coming.

[41:20] Okay, thank you.

[41:21] Yeah, so just before we, I'd like to go back to the presentation on the plan by

[41:28] I would ask the commission to give a consensus to move forward if I can. I'd like to take this

[41:36] to council. The next council meeting. So if you don't mind, Chair, would you ask that

[41:42] question? Do we have a consensus to move forward? Yes, yes. Thank you. I appreciate it.

[41:49] Thank you very much.

[41:50] And then finally, you know, we try real hard as a commission to better our parks and

[42:02] I see it every single time we get together that we do a really good job of doing that.

[42:07] I can't do what I do without your guys' support and guidance.

[42:12] My staff, I really do appreciate you guys recognizing the staff and our efforts.

[42:21] Don't know if you've had an opportunity to walk down to the boardwalk over the last week but we did repaint the map in there.

[42:31] I think it looks sharp.

[42:32] It looks good. I was like, did they put a pool in?

[42:35] Because it was like reflecting on this.

[42:38] But I think the boardwalk area is looking really nice.

[42:43] And Mingus Park is looking fabulous.

[42:47] We got a little push from one of our park users to make a repairs on those boards, and so we were happy to do that.

[42:55] It's kind of weird, those are actually true to buy fours.

[42:58] They're not your standard to buy fours, so we were able to get those done.

[43:03] And then we have a few other projects that we're working on.

[43:07] But next up, I'm excited. Hopefully we get the grant for the playground equipment.

[43:11] I think we'll find out here at the end of next month whether we get that if we do then we'll get that installed and then

[43:19] get Mingus Park kind of wrapped up for

[43:23] some some time and and maybe shift our efforts over to John Toppitts Park

[43:28] Of course, we're doing a lot of work in John Toppitts Park, but you know, we can also dedicate a bit more time over there

[43:34] So thank you and so hopefully I'll bring in more projects about John Toppitts Park to the commission

[43:39] So thank you everybody for your efforts.

[43:42] Thank you, Craig.

[43:43] Christina?

[43:45] All right.

[43:45] Thank you so much.

[43:46] I will reiterate the boardwalk looks great.

[43:49] I saw them out power washing birds stuff today as well.

[43:53] The rebavement looks great.

[43:55] I would think that I've been going to John Topics, Mingus, Eastside.

[44:00] I'm seeing a lot of usership in our parks and that's really great to see.

[44:04] That means that people are feeling safe and wanted in our parks space.

[44:08] And a big part of that is the amazing maintenance that staff does, so we appreciate that.

[44:14] We thank you everybody for being here today, and I hope everyone has a very safe and fun

[44:19] Labor Day weekend.

[44:21] Thank you.

[44:22] So, it

[44:26] looks like that.

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