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[4:18]
[crowd]
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[chatter] No Nah
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That was kind of the same with
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out
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Karate crab
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Oh, good. We got water.
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Praise God.
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Did you need it?
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Are you sure?
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Oh, okay. Wait here.
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I just need the page.
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Thank you.
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[crowd]
[5:00]
[crowd]
[5:05]
I call to order the City Council
meeting for September 14th,
[5:11]
2026 at 6:00 p.m.
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Ladies and gentlemen, in a few
moments I'll ask you to join me
[5:17]
in the Pledge of Allegiance and
remain standing for the invocation.
[5:22]
Our pledge tonight will be led by
Jack Atkinson.
[5:27]
from Fannon Elementary and we're glad
to have him tonight.
[5:31]
And Pastor J. Frazy from the First
Methodist Church of Corsicana
[5:38]
will lead us in the invocation.
[5:41]
Ladies and gentlemen, please stand.
[5:42]
[chairs scraping]
[5:51]
I pledge allegiance to the flag of
the United States of America,
[5:56]
and to the Republic for which it
stands,
[5:59]
one nation under God, indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all.
[6:06]
[laughter] Pastor Jay.
[6:10]
And I asked for permission for a two
minutes of personal privilege
[6:15]
because on September 15th of 1851,
175 days and one day ago,
[6:23]
the deed was signed for the property
of First Methodist Church, what is
was then First Episcopal
[6:28]
Methodist Church.
[6:30]
And uh formalizing what had been
taking place for four years in this
community
[6:35]
as Reverend Hampton McKinney and
several others were gathering for
worship.
[6:40]
Uh 20 years later, the building, a
building was built there,
[6:44]
and then in 1896, the building, the
historic Gothic Revival building that
we have today was constructed.
[6:51]
Uh that building is the oldest church
building in Corsicana today,
[6:58]
and quite possibly that is the
oldest, longest continuously meeting
congregation in Corsicana.
[7:07]
On October 18th, we will be
celebrating our 175th.
[7:10]
We want to invite everyone to come
out. We'll be having a celebration.
[7:14]
We'll be having worship starting at
10, uh tours of the building, the
windows, uh the meal and everything.
[7:20]
So I hope uh that this will be
something that honors this city and
the history of this city.
[7:26]
Now, if you would join me in prayer.
[7:29]
Holy and gracious God, thank you for
these servants who have given
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their time and talents to lead this
city.
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May your hand be upon them.
[7:38]
You are the God of this city, you are
the light in this darkness.
[7:43]
You are the hope to the hopeless. You
are the peace to the restless.
[7:49]
As lyrics to the song continue,
[7:51]
greater things are yet to come in
this city, oh Lord.
[7:55]
I pray for your hand of guidance to
be upon these servants.
[7:59]
I pray for you to be honored in the
discussions in this chamber
[8:03]
and throughout their work.
[8:05]
Lord, protect your city servants, the
police and fire department,
[8:09]
the city workers and volunteers. And
may we, the citizens, join with these
great servants
[8:14]
to bring about the greater things
that you have for this city.
[8:19]
All this we pray in the mighty name
of Jesus Christ
[8:22]
who lived and loved, who walked among
us and taught us to live
[8:26]
in love and relationship with one
another and with you,
[8:28]
who gave himself for us and was
buried, rose again
[8:31]
and ascended into heaven.
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All glory to you, Almighty God, now
and forever.
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Amen. Amen.
[8:39]
Please be seated.
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[chair moving]
[8:45]
Mr. Pennell, I understand that you
have a few introductions to make
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and maybe a presentation.
[8:51]
I do. Thank you.
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[crowd]
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[microphone adjusting]
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[microphone adjusting]
[9:06]
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
[9:08]
I appreciate this time tonight and as
you know,
[9:12]
we're resuming our student pledge
program.
[9:18]
Involvement in our community is so
vitally important and
[9:21]
it warms my heart to see such
[9:25]
Such youth and vitality involved in
our civic government. And I'm not
just talking about me. [laughter]
[9:31]
Um, we are very glad that Jack is
here this evening.
[9:36]
Let me tell you a little bit about
Jack, our student tonight, who led
our pledge.
[9:40]
Um, he is nine years old. He's in
fourth grade at Fannon Elementary.
[9:44]
Uh and the school is represented
tonight by Assistant Principal
Jessica Benz.
[9:50]
Um, let me tell you a little bit
about Jack.
[9:53]
Jack loves all things sports and
outdoors.
[9:57]
He loves baseball and golf and
football.
[10:00]
fishing out of all those which are
your favorites.
[10:04]
All of the above maybe?
[10:06]
He participates in the gifted and
talented program at Fannon Elementary
[10:10]
and has enjoyed participating in UIL
storytelling.
[10:14]
He's been an AB student honor student
throughout all four years at Fannon,
[10:19]
and listen to this.
[10:20]
He's maintained perfect attendance
since kindergarten.
[10:24]
[applause]
That deserves a round of applause.
[10:25]
[applause]
[10:31]
While he is very proud to have been
chosen to lead the pledge today,
[10:34]
he admits he's a little nervous.
[10:36]
But I think he did a fantastic job.
[10:39]
With Jack today are his parents,
William and Haley,
[10:42]
his brother Nicholas and his little
sister Charlie.
[10:46]
Um, his favorite food are tacos from
the school cafeteria.
[10:51]
And his favorite sport again is
baseball.
[10:54]
When asked what his favorite thing is
about Corcana,
[10:57]
he said OMI,
[10:59]
the Oks golf course and that all my
friends and family live here.
[11:03]
So, on behalf of the student council,
we thank you Jack for being here
[11:07]
[applause]
and Gallery Council, let's give him a
round of applause.
[11:13]
[applause]
[11:18]
I'm going to invite his family and
the mayor to come down
[11:21]
for a photo
[11:22]
and we've got a certificate
[11:23]
that acknowledges that Jack
participated in our pledge program
[11:27]
this evening.
[11:29]
So Jack, congratulations.
[11:30]
Thank you.
[11:32]
Mr. Mayor.
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[crowd]
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[chatter] [camera clicks] holding the
pose.
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Okay, There you go. this is great.
[11:46]
Okay. Here we go, ready? One, two,
three.
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[crowd][camera clicks]
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All right, thank you very much.
[11:57]
[applause]
[12:21]
And might I add, Jim, before we move
on, uh,
[12:24]
the entire family voted for you to
have another
[12:27]
Fourth of July parade next year.
[12:29]
Okay, great.
[12:30]
We'll do it.
[12:37]
We'll move to item four on your
agenda.
[12:40]
Council will please consider
approving the minutes
[12:43]
of the City Council work session
[12:45]
of August 24th, 2026
[12:49]
and the City Council regular session
of August 24th, 2026.
[12:58]
May I have a motion?
[13:00]
Mayor, I'll make a motion to approve
the minutes for both the workshop
[13:02]
and the City Council meeting.
[13:06]
Ms. Johnson's motion,
[13:07]
do I have a second?
[13:10]
Second. Second for Mr. Panell.
[13:13]
Discussion, please.
[13:16]
Do we have any additions,
corrections?
[13:20]
Any additions, deletions?
[13:25]
Hearing none, we'll call the
question.
[13:27]
All in favor of adopting the minutes
as presented, please say I.
[13:35]
Any opposed?
[13:39]
And the motion carries.
[13:42]
Before we move to item five on public
forum,
[13:45]
I'd like to take this opportunity to
invite Amy Tidwell,
[13:49]
the director of tourism for Corsicana
[13:52]
to come to the podium and talk about
the recent award received by the
[13:56]
Destinations Texas conference.
[14:01]
Yes, thank you, Mayor.
[14:02]
Good evening, Council, City Manager,
City Attorney.
[14:05]
Thank you for letting me have the
opportunity to come before you
[14:07]
tonight. I know you have a full
agenda.
[14:09]
I'm excited to share that Visit
Corsicana was recently recognized
[14:11]
at the Destinations Texas conference
[14:13]
a few weeks ago
[14:15]
with the Destinations Excellence
Award for Sports Tourism Promotion
[14:20]
for our work with the Heritage Bowl.
[14:23]
The Heritage Bowl powered by Riot is
one of only three NCAA Division 2
[14:27]
sanctioned ball games in the entire
country,
[14:31]
and over the years, it has grown into
much more than a football game.
[14:36]
Through our partnership with the
Heritage Bowl powered by Riot
organization,
[14:40]
we have intentionally worked to make
this a three-day
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destination experience
[14:44]
that brings student athletes,
coaches, families and fans into
Corsicana
[14:49]
and encourage them to experience our
community beyond the stadium.
[14:54]
The results really demonstrate why
sports tourism has become such an
[14:58]
important part of our
[15:00]
tourism strategy.
[15:01]
The most recent Heritage Bowl
generated approximately 800
[15:12]
hotel room nights and contributed to
100% hotel occupancy in
[15:18]
Corsicana for three consecutive days.
Demand was so strong that
[15:27]
it extended into neighboring
communities because our local
[15:32]
hotels were so full. We also welcomed
approximately 4,600
[15:38]
spectators, more than 200 players,
coaches and athletic
[15:46]
staff, and approximately 300 band
members, cheerleaders and
[15:54]
spirit squad participants. Beyond
those visitors physically
[16:01]
here in Corsicana, the event
generated more than 10,000,
[16:05]
I'm sorry, 100,000 social media video
views and both the
[16:07]
Heritage Bowl website and game live
stream received more than
[16:12]
8,000 views. What I think makes this
recognition especially
[16:15]
meaningful is that it validates the
city's strategic investment
[16:21]
in sports tourism. Several years ago,
we identified sports tourism
[16:25]
as one of the areas producing the
greatest return on our tourism
[16:29]
investment. And the Heritage Bowl is
a great example of what
[16:32]
that looks like in practice. Filling
hotel rooms, bringing
[16:34]
visitors into our community,
generating economic activity
[16:37]
and putting Corsicana in front of
audiences well beyond our
[16:42]
city limits. This award really
belongs to the partnership behind
[16:46]
the event. We are proud to work
alongside the Heritage Bowl
[16:49]
organization and all of the community
partners who helped
[16:53]
make Corsicana a destination that
teams and visitors want to
[16:56]
return to year after year.
[16:58]
So I'd like to ask our Heritage Bowl
um board members to come up
[17:02]
and we'd like to take a photo with
them.
[17:04]
Um, I don't know if I had any CVB
board members?
[17:07]
Thomas, my see uh, my chairperson's
gonna also come up.
[17:10]
Our CVB is instrumental in issuing
the grant funding to help
[17:16]
make the uh Heritage Bowl possible.
[17:18]
Um, I got so excited to come to this
that I actually left my award
[17:24]
at my office, but [laughter] it's
just a piece of paper.
[17:27]
I think the words say well more than
the piece of paper that I have
[17:31]
for the photo. So we're going to take
a photo with them and then I'll
[17:34]
ask the chairperson uh of the board
Eric Bonner to come forward
[17:36]
if you want to share any any words.
[17:39]
Or none.
[17:39]
Okay.
[17:43]
Three minutes, Eric.
[17:44]
[laughter]
[17:47]
Hush.
[17:48]
Well, thank you for giving us this
opportunity and we we really
[17:53]
appreciate you sharing Amy with us.
Uh, the Heritage Bowl, powered
[17:56]
by right, would you know, we do a lot
of great work, but the only
[18:00]
things that I do is just stay out of
the way and let all my great
[18:02]
board members do the work. So I am
the chairman of the board, I
[18:05]
retire every year, but they tell me I
can't quit.
[18:07]
Uh, so we've got vice chairman,
Richie Car.
[18:10]
Um,
[18:11]
Go ahead there you go.
[18:12]
Uh
[18:13]
[applause]
[18:17]
Secretary, Joshua Tackett.
[18:19]
[applause]
[18:21]
Our Treasurer is uh, Steven Nutt with
Community National Bank and
[18:24]
Trust and uh, board members, I'm
sorry, executive director of
[18:27]
communication, Raymond Lennox.
[18:30]
Um
[18:31]
He's at school board meeting.
[18:33]
Um, Rusty Hit with Community National
Bank and Trust.
[18:36]
[applause]
[18:39]
Of course, Amy Tidwell.
[18:41]
We've got uh, Michelle Hogan is also
on our Board of Directors.
[18:45]
Here, here.
[18:46]
Oh, there she is.
[18:46]
[applause]
[18:48]
Michelle Hogan.
[18:49]
Didn't she come in?
[18:50]
Uh, Brandon Owen, uh is also on our
board directors.
[18:54]
I think he got ever.
[18:55]
Okay.
[18:56]
He's got a football game tonight.
[18:58]
So it's a very small group, but it's
a very hardworking group.
[19:01]
And we are excited about showcasing
Corsicana.
[19:04]
Uh, we have a lot of people come in,
so if you've never attended
[19:08]
the game, I encourage you to attend
the game. It's the first
[19:12]
Friday of December, every year. So
this year is December 5th.
[19:15]
The teams arrive on Thursday night,
we start with a banquet,
[19:18]
then they visit the schools on Friday
morning to do high five
[19:22]
Friday, then we have uh community
Pepperrally at 5:30 on Friday night.
[19:27]
So, if you haven't been to the game,
we encourage you to come.
[19:30]
Uh, it's it's a great time, we've got
teams coming in from outside
[19:34]
of the area to visit Corsicana. And
the response has always been
[19:36]
the same. They love what Charlotte
and her group does with downtown
[19:40]
and you know, they've been a great
partner with us with allowing
[19:43]
us to set up the Pepperrally,
bringing out stands, um to welcome
[19:47]
the team. So just for instance, last
year, we had West Texas A&M
[19:51]
from Canyon, Texas. And Arkansas Tech
University from Jonesboro,
[19:53]
Arkansas. So, we've got people coming
in from a long ways, we
[19:57]
encourage them to bring their their
band, their cheerleaders, their pep
[20:00]
[applause]
[20:14]
Yeah. It's shiny.
[20:24]
Did you make a snow for me?
[20:34]
[applause]
Thank you all.
[20:48]
Thank you, Heritage Bold. If you do a
dynamite job,
[20:51]
we're grateful for your efforts.
[20:59]
If we will uh rejoin the agenda at
item number five,
[21:02]
the public forum.
[21:05]
We have several people to sign up for
tonight.
[21:09]
Um, I will fresh everybody. Um, as
your name is called,
[21:13]
please come to the podium.
[21:18]
State your name and full address at
the start of your comments.
[21:23]
Each speaker will be given up to
three minutes,
[21:27]
and by law the council cannot respond
to any comment
[21:30]
or questions asked by a speaker
during the public
[21:34]
comment period.
[21:40]
Our first uh speaker tonight is uh
Margaret Evans.
[21:54]
Good evening.
[21:57]
It's kind of quiet in the room. Is
everybody alive? [laughter]
[22:02]
First of all, I want to thank God for
this day.
[22:05]
To the Mayor, Mayor Joe Hill,
[22:09]
and his step and to everyone that's
in the in the room today.
[22:16]
My name is Margaret Evans. I live at
713 South 42nd Street,
[22:20]
Corsicana, in precinct three.
[22:25]
And I just have a few things I would
like to say. I know it's
[22:28]
three minutes, I could go on, but
then
[22:30]
I'm going to start with West Park Row
[22:37]
in the 3100 block, uh the lighting is
it's very dark at night time.
[22:45]
We're needing some lighting down that
way all the way past 45th Street
[22:49]
and beyond Walmart.
[22:55]
Also, the uh Rome Road we was
checking out.
[23:01]
Pastor Cat and I, um of the single
believers ministry, believers on
[23:05]
Rich Ministry.
[23:07]
We do we go out uh precinct two is
where we first started.
[23:11]
That's our first love.
[23:15]
You know, we live in precinct three,
but we're concerned about a lot of
[23:19]
things that are going on in precinct
two and three.
[23:23]
And so we just here today to see if
we could get some assistant.
[23:27]
The lighting is real bad and the
roads.
[23:32]
on West Park Road all the way past
since they built the behind OK Mart,
[23:37]
which is the new uh stores, it's very
the road is really messed up.
[23:45]
So we're asking if they could work on
the on the roads as well as
[23:49]
the lighting.
[23:51]
I usually don't drive at night, but
lately, I've been driving at night
[23:55]
and I cannot see the lines at all.
[23:59]
So we're just asking each and every
one who's responsible to to help us
[24:03]
to get that taken care of in precinct
three.
[24:07]
Precinct two, there's a lot of
[24:09]
there's a lot of help that is needed
over there as well.
[24:15]
So we're just asking who who it
whoever is responsible for that.
[24:22]
We left our phone number, you can
give us a call
[24:24]
and we'll do whatever we can do to
help you.
[24:28]
We have got to a point where we got
up in age, so we don't move
[24:31]
around as much as we used to.
[24:34]
But we do love the city Corsicana,
and again,
[24:38]
we want to tell Pastor
[24:40]
[laughter]
[24:42]
Mayor Joe Hill.
[24:46]
Thank you so much.
[24:49]
Not only he's busy here in the city,
he's busy on Friday. We saw him at
[24:54]
the 9/11 program. Then on he turned
around on Saturday.
[25:00]
on his days off, y'all.
[25:02]
And he was a part, and we just really
appreciate him.
[25:07]
Even before he was elected,
[25:09]
he was there to help whatever was
needed.
[25:14]
So we thank you from
[25:17]
single believers ministry, believers
I reach.
[25:20]
Pastor Cat, thank you and we love
you.
[25:22]
And that is all that I have at this
time.
[25:25]
I know my time is it.
[25:27]
[applause]
[25:32]
Next speaker is uh Shayla Johnson.
[25:34]
[shuffling]
[25:41]
[shuffling]
[25:44]
[shuffling]
[25:54]
Good evening, Mayor.
[25:55]
My fellow council members, City staff
and citizens of Corsicana.
[25:59]
Tonight I want to address the use of
flock cameras in our community.
[26:03]
Let me be very clear, I am not
against flock cameras.
[26:06]
Based on reports from the Corsicana
Police Department
[26:08]
and the results we have seen in
precinct 2,
[26:11]
I recognize that these cameras can be
effective,
[26:14]
uh, for reducing crime,
[26:17]
identifying stolen vehicles and
helping law enforcement
[26:20]
investigate serious offenses.
[26:21]
I previously voted in favor of a
grant that added
[26:25]
flock cameras,
[26:27]
not because we need more,
[26:29]
but the grant provided other
important public safety resources
[26:33]
supported by information presented by
our police department.
[26:37]
I stand behind supporting tools that
help protect our neighborhoods.
[26:42]
However, voting for a public safety
tool does not mean
[26:47]
giving anyone unlimited authority to
use it without oversight.
[26:52]
Cities across the country have raised
serious concerns
[26:55]
about flock cameras.
[26:57]
Uh, flock camera data being assessed
and unauthorized purposes,
[27:03]
shared outside the original purpose
of an investigation
[27:05]
or used to track people who were not
suspected of committing a crime.
[27:09]
These concerns should be served as a
warning to Corsicana.
[27:12]
We should not wait until someone's
rights have been violated
[27:14]
before establishing safeguards.
[27:16]
Public safety and constitutional
rights should never be treated
[27:19]
as competing priorities.
[27:22]
We can protect our citizens from
crime while also
[27:24]
protecting them from unreasonable
surveillance and misuse
[27:28]
of their personal information.
[27:29]
This is why I am requesting that the
city of Corsicana
[27:32]
adopt a local ordinance governing the
use of flock cameras
[27:36]
and other automatic license plates
readers.
[27:38]
This ordinance should clearly
establish who authorizes
[27:41]
the access of this system,
[27:43]
who legitimate law enforcement
purposes permits a search,
[27:46]
how long information may be retained,
[27:48]
when data may be shared with another
agency,
[27:51]
requirements for documenting every
search,
[27:54]
regular audits to identify improper
access,
[27:57]
consequences for anyone who misuses
the system,
[28:00]
and a public report showing how the
cameras are being used
[28:03]
without compromising active
investigations.
[28:07]
The ordinance should also prohibit
using the technology to monitor
[28:10]
individual based solely on their
race, religion, political activity,
[28:15]
immigration status, or participation
in lawful protests,
[28:18]
except in a genuine genuine
emergency.
[28:21]
Searches such that track a person's
past movements
[28:25]
should should follow all applicable
warrants and probable cause
[28:28]
requirements.
[28:30]
This is not an accusation against
Corsicana Police Department,
[28:33]
it is a responsible government.
[28:35]
Good policies protect our citizens,
our citizens, our officers and the
city of Corsicana.
[28:39]
Technology can help us fight crime,
but technology must also remain
[28:43]
under human accountability and the
constitutional authority.
[28:47]
If these cameras are are helping
reduce crime and precinct 2,
[28:50]
let us continue using them.
[28:51]
But let us use them with clear
boundaries, transparency and respect
[28:55]
for our people we are elected to
serve.
[28:58]
I'm asking the council to direct our
city attorney
[29:01]
and police leadership to bring
forward a flock camera ordinance
[29:04]
for public discussion.
[29:07]
concludes your three minutes.
[29:10]
Thank you guys.
[29:13]
Thank you.
[29:14]
[applause]
[29:19]
Our next speaker is Barbara Kelly.
[29:23]
[shuffling]
[29:30]
Barbara Kelly, 800 Northwood.
[29:32]
Mayor Hill, Council, my council, Jim
Penel.
[29:37]
I just came up here to say to say two
things.
[29:40]
When you guys do the comprehensive
plan
[29:43]
because I'm now 60, I'm a senior
citizen.
[29:46]
Please put some younger people on the
comprehensive plan.
[29:52]
The 30 something-year-old, the 20
something-year-old,
[29:55]
we need youth on the to be able to
come to the table
[29:58]
because in 20 years,
[30:01]
I'll be 80. You get what I'm saying?
[30:04]
We need the young people to be a part
of this the comprehensive plan.
[30:08]
So y'all start thinking about who can
be who can come to the table
[30:12]
because we need to use their we need
their voice.
[30:14]
It's always the same people all the
time serving on these
[30:16]
different committees. We do need
these young people.
[30:20]
My second thing is, y'all know I was
a 35 I'm
[30:22]
I've been a 35-year police
dispatcher.
[30:28]
And I'll take pride in that.
[30:31]
And when I was a dispatcher, I ran
T-Lex, I ran
[30:34]
criminal histories, I did a lot of
stuff.
[30:38]
And one thing about our departments
is that we did have rules.
[30:43]
We had to sign thing sign sign off
that we weren't
[30:45]
going to go and spread the
information that I looked up.
[30:49]
And so I trust that, you know, our
local law enforcement is going to
[30:53]
have policies and procedures in place
regarding flock cameras.
[30:56]
Because if because you can abuse
anything.
[30:59]
And believe you me in my 35 years of
police dispatching,
[31:02]
I have seen law enforcement abuse
things.
[31:06]
And they got in trouble. There isn't
a there is internal affairs.
[31:10]
And so, I trust Chief McGayhey that
they're going to have rules
[31:14]
in place for somebody that may abuse
the system.
[31:17]
But flock cameras are needed.
[31:19]
They are. And I know I've used the
system.
[31:24]
And if it can help, you know, solve
crimes, I'm for it.
[31:29]
But don't argue with me about I've
had two people kind of argue with me
about flock cameras,
[31:33]
but I'm like, I'm law enforcement.
I'm law enforcement.
[31:38]
And I'm going to be that till I die,
okay?
[31:41]
So I just wanted to get up here and
say that these two little things.
[31:43]
But don't forget the young people,
okay? Thank you. Thank you.
[31:47]
[applause]
[31:53]
Mr. Terry Garner.
[32:02]
Terry Garner, 1401 Bowie Circle.
[32:06]
Mr. Mayor and council members.
[32:08]
Tonight I'm asking you to do more
than stop expansion of flock cameras.
[32:12]
I'm asking you to remove the cameras
that are already installed.
[32:17]
We hear that flock cameras is about
public safety. Nobody in this room is
against public safety.
[32:22]
We want our police to have the tools
they need to solve the
[32:24]
crimes and recover the stolen
vehicles.
[32:27]
But public safety does not require
putting an entire community
[32:29]
under surveillance.
[32:31]
A flock camera doesn't know whether
the person driving is a criminal
[32:34]
or an innocent citizen.
[32:36]
It records everybody.
[32:37]
It records parents taking their
children to school,
[32:40]
workers going to their jobs, families
going to church,
[32:43]
and visitors coming into our
community, and ordinary citizens
[32:46]
going about their daily lives.
[32:48]
The question we need to ask is not
can flock help solve a crime? Of
course it can.
[32:53]
The real question is, does the
benefit justify creating an ever
[32:56]
expanding database of where innocent
people drive.
[33:00]
Before we add another camera, I
believe Corsicana should answer
[33:03]
some basic questions about the
cameras we already have.
[33:06]
How many searches have been
conducted?
[33:09]
Who has conducted those searches?
Which outside agencies can access our
data?
[33:13]
How many times our information has
been shared and how long is
[33:16]
the information retained?
[33:18]
And most importantly, what measurable
evidence do we have
[33:21]
that these cameras have actually made
Corsicana safer?
[33:25]
If these cameras are essential, show
us the results.
[33:28]
If they're being responsibly used,
show us the safeguards.
[33:31]
If our information is to protect,
show us exactly how.
[33:34]
Don't simply tell us to trust you.
[33:36]
Transparency is how you earn trust.
[33:39]
And we should pay attention to what's
happening elsewhere.
[33:42]
In Kendall County, Commissioners
recently voted 5 to 0 to not
[33:45]
renew their flock camera,
[33:47]
raising concerns about access to
data, information sharing
[33:49]
and oversight.
[33:51]
That's a warning Corsicana should
take seriously.
[33:54]
And now we're talking about adding 10
more cameras through grant funding.
[33:58]
But let me make one thing very clear,
grant money does not make
[34:00]
surveillance free.
[34:03]
The cost can be to our privacy.
[34:05]
And one of these cameras are
installed and the system safeguards,
[34:08]
getting it rid of it becomes even
more harder.
[34:11]
So I'm asking this council for three
things.
[34:13]
First, reject the expansion and don't
install additional cameras.
[34:17]
Second, conduct complete public audit
of the existing flock system,
[34:20]
its searches, access, data sharing
and results.
[34:23]
Third, begin the process of removing
the flock cameras
[34:26]
already operating in Corsicana.
[34:28]
And I want each council member to
answer one simple question.
[34:31]
Will you support removing flock
cameras from Corsicana, yes or no?
[34:34]
Not will study it, not will look into
it, not let's wait
[34:37]
and see, yes or no?
[34:41]
Because opposing flock does not mean
opposing law enforcement.
[34:44]
I mean, it means believing that we
can fight crime without treating
[34:47]
every citizen like a suspect.
[34:49]
We can protect our community without
creating a surveillance grid.
[34:52]
We can give our police effective
tools without sacrificing the
[34:55]
privacy of everyone else.
[34:57]
Corsicana is a community, not a
database.
[35:00]
So reject.
[35:01]
exact the expansion audit the system
[35:03]
and remove the cameras and protect
the people
[35:05]
who trusted you enough to put you in
these seats. Thank you.
[35:08]
[applause]
[35:17]
Mr. Kurt Bennett.
[35:33]
Mayor Hill, members of the City
Council.
[35:35]
My name is Kurt Burnett, 619 N 25th
Street.
[35:37]
Corsicana, Texas.
[35:39]
I'd like to address item 8A regarding
the proposed waiver
[35:42]
of liquidated damages for the
property at 1402 East 9th Avenue.
[35:46]
I want to begin by acknowledging that
the Infill
[35:49]
Lot program is a worthwhile
initiative, encouraging the
[35:52]
timely construction of affordable
housing.
[35:54]
Corsicana is something most residents
can support.
[35:57]
However, tonight's item raises
serious questions about
[36:00]
administrative accountability and
oversight within city
[36:03]
operations that I believe this
council needs to address
[36:05]
before voting.
[36:06]
The facts are present, presented in
tonight's
[36:08]
agenda are straightforward.
[36:10]
The developer purchased this property
August 3rd, 2021.
[36:13]
The contract required construction to
begin within
[36:16]
six months, making the deadline
January 31st, 2022.
[36:19]
That deadline was missed.
[36:21]
Under the terms of the contract, the
city had the
[36:23]
right to reacquire the property at
that point.
[36:25]
Instead, the city's own staff issued
a building permit
[36:28]
on this developer on June 13th, 2024.
[36:31]
More than two years after the
deadline had already passed.
[36:34]
Tonight's agenda acknowledges
directly,
[36:36]
and I am quoting from the packet: "He
should not have
[36:39]
been granted a permit on June 13th,
2024,
[36:41]
due to the six-month time frame to
start construction
[36:44]
already having been passed."
[36:46]
This is the city admitting that its
own staff made
[36:49]
significant administrative error, as
a result of that
[36:52]
error, a developer who was in clear
violation of his
[36:54]
contract was allowed to pursue with
construction.
[36:56]
The city is now before this council
tonight asking
[36:58]
to reduce the developer's penalty
from $64,900
[37:01]
to $12,700.
[37:03]
A reduction of over $52,000,
effectively asking taxpayers
[37:06]
to absorb the consequences a staff
made.
[37:10]
I have several questions I would ask
this council to
[37:13]
consider before voting tonight.
[37:14]
First, which department was
responsible for issuing that
[37:16]
permit in June 2024,
[37:19]
and what review processes exist to
prevent permits
[37:21]
from being issued on properties with
active
[37:23]
contract violations?
[37:25]
Second, what accountability measures
have been put in place
[37:28]
since this error was discovered to
ensure it does
[37:30]
not happen again in the infill
program or in another
[37:32]
city program with similar contractual
requirements?
[37:36]
Third, the city's admin error is the
primary
[37:39]
justification for reducing this
penalty.
[37:41]
Why is the developer not being held
to the original
[37:43]
contract terms while the city
separately addresses
[37:46]
its internal process failures. The
two issues.
[37:49]
Staff error and developer
accountability are being
[37:52]
conflated in a way that ultimately
benefits developer
[37:54]
at the expense of the program's
integrity.
[37:56]
This council appropriately holds
citizens and developers
[37:59]
to the terms of their contracts with
the city.
[38:02]
I would ask that you hold city
operations to the same
[38:04]
standard of accountability.
[38:06]
An administrative error of this
magnitude,
[38:09]
one that went undetected for over two
years, deserves more
[38:11]
than a quiet line item and a
resolution,
[38:13]
it deserves a transparent accounting
to this council
[38:16]
and to the residents of Corsicana
about how it happened
[38:18]
and what has changed.
[38:20]
I want to close with a broader point
that I believe
[38:22]
is critical for the future of the
city.
[38:24]
Corsicana is at a turning point, we
have larger developers
[38:27]
and significant economic
opportunities
[38:28]
on the horizon for this community.
[38:30]
The stakes of the admin oversight
failure will only
[38:32]
grow as those projects come to
Corsicana.
[38:34]
If the city cannot properly track a
contractual deadline
[38:36]
on a single infill lot, a relatively
[38:38]
straightforward program,
[38:40]
and that error goes undetected for
over two years,
[38:43]
what confidence can this council and
this community have?
[38:45]
The residents of Corsicana deserve a
city administration
[38:47]
that is prepared for growth.
[38:49]
Tonight is an opportunity for this
council to send a
[38:51]
clear message that accountability
counts. Thank you.
[38:53]
[applause]
[39:03]
Mr. Scott Davis.
[39:07]
He's gonna speak on one of the
ordinances.
[39:09]
I'm sorry.
[39:11]
Speak on one of the ordinances.
[39:18]
He's going to speak in the public
hearing part.
[39:23]
Are there any other speakers that was
not aware that we
[39:27]
have the sign-in?
[39:29]
We want to hear from anybody that has
something to share
[39:32]
with the council.
[39:39]
If there's no other speakers, I'll
close the public forum.
[39:43]
Move to item six, public hearings.
[39:47]
We have one more.
[39:50]
I will now open the public hearings.
[39:54]
Miss Rossen, would you leave read the
caption for item 6A.
[39:59]
Received.
[40:01]
receive public input regarding
adopting the budget for fiscal year
2027.
[40:06]
Chair recognizes Mr. Val Rich,
Director of Finance for the city.
[40:16]
Good evening, Council.
[40:18]
Tonight I'm here to present uh
[40:19]
for your vote and adoption our
[40:21]
budget and proposed tax rate.
[40:23]
Uh just to recap from our prior
[40:25]
work sessions, this is our
[40:27]
budgeted revenues that we're
projecting.
[40:29]
Uh we can kind of see year over
[40:31]
year from 25 to 2027, so our
[40:33]
2027 proposed revenues is
[40:35]
$72.1 million.
[40:37]
This is a 21% decrease from prior
year.
[40:40]
The bulk of that decrease is
[40:41]
actually because of a bond
[40:43]
issuance last year that we're not
looking to do another
[40:45]
issuance this year.
[40:47]
Uh this is in accordance with our
capital improvement plan
[40:50]
as we'll present further through this
presentation.
[40:54]
For our expenditures tonight,
[40:56]
the appropriated budget as presented
is the $95.2 million
[41:01]
proposed budget for 2027.
[41:03]
This is a 7% decrease, some of
[41:05]
that is related to the capital
project funding.
[41:08]
Uh as we completed capital
[41:10]
projects this last year, we don't
have as much to continue
[41:13]
to uh put forward in our budget.
[41:15]
Uh and so there is a small decrease
in that budget, again,
[41:18]
primarily related to capital
improvements and our capital plan.
[41:24]
Uh just to recap of some highlights,
the infrastructure
[41:27]
spending is continuing to be
increased.
[41:29]
So year over year, last year to this
year, we're continuing to
[41:33]
put forward about $20 million
[41:35]
to address our aging and
[41:36]
urgently needed uh infrastructure.
[41:39]
Uh so we're seeing a large uh street
effort this year.
[41:43]
I know that started on Beaten Street
already.
[41:44]
Uh that'll continue into next year
according to this plan
[41:48]
and we've seen a lot of uh water and
sewer line
[41:50]
replacements both this year and into
next year.
[41:54]
And so making sure we can continue to
uh service those
[41:58]
infrastructures going to be a
critical point of both this
[42:01]
year's budget and last year's.
[42:03]
We're continuing to make investments
into our workforce
[42:06]
and so we want to make sure that our
public safety is competitive,
[42:10]
uh so that way we can uh continue to
attract qualified
[42:13]
talent, uh as well as make City of
Corsicana a place people
[42:16]
want to work for.
[42:20]
And then a big component in our
budget this year was
[42:22]
improved financial literacy.
[42:23]
And so if anybody has taken the time
to glance through the
[42:26]
300 page uh budget document that
we've prepared here,
[42:30]
uh you've made big strides to make
sure that as much of it
[42:34]
as possible is as friendly as
possible.
[42:36]
So uh while tonight we're just
looking at the highlights,
[42:40]
we have gone in depth through the
budget, through our
[42:41]
communication and different work
sessions and we've put
[42:44]
a put out a comprehensive document uh
for the citizens
[42:48]
to look at and see all the details.
[42:53]
A big piece of this budget is going
to be our General
[42:55]
Fund revenues.
[42:59]
Here is kind of the year over year
total for General Fund
[43:02]
revenues, and so from 2025,
[43:04]
$26.7 million to our projected 2027
of $29.4 million.
[43:09]
This is about a 4.5% increase from
prior year.
[43:12]
The bulk of that is going to be from
our sales tax and our
[43:15]
franchise tax collections.
[43:17]
Uh so sales in the city and then the
utility users that use
[43:22]
the city right of ways generating
most of our
[43:25]
additional revenue for this year.
[43:27]
Uh one thing we'll see is that our
city service charges,
[43:30]
especially related to the General
Fund are saying
[43:32]
consistent this year and that's one
thing we're seeing as well
[43:35]
in our revenues.
[43:39]
I did want to look a little bit at
that tax revenue because
[43:42]
that is the bulk of our revenue for
the General Fund.
[43:44]
Uh about half of it is coming from
sales tax,
[43:47]
uh so that is a primary revenue
source for the city.
[43:50]
There's a total 8.25% sales tax on
all qualified sales.
[43:54]
6.25% of that's imposed by the state
and collected and retained
[43:57]
by the state.
[43:59]
The remaining 2% stays local.
[44:01]
Now that 2% that's local varies by
jurisdiction.
[44:05]
Here in Corsicana, it's broken down
as follows.
[44:07]
And so the city retains 1%,
[44:10]
a half percent, the city uses for
property tax reduction,
[44:14]
and then another half percent is
collected by the County of
[44:17]
Navarro.
[44:18]
So for every $100 purchased,
[44:21]
$8.25 cents of sales tax is added to
that.
[44:24]
Uh the state collects $6.25 cents,
the city $1.50, but
[44:29]
50 cents goes to reducing property
tax rate and then
[44:32]
Navarro County collects another 50
cents.
[44:36]
On to the big item which is our
property tax revenue, again,
[44:39]
this is another primary revenue
source.
[44:42]
It's comprised of a lot of moving
components.
[44:44]
The first piece is that your property
value is established
[44:47]
by the Navarro Central Appraisal
District.
[44:49]
So that is a separate governmental
entity away from
[44:51]
the city, away from the county, uh
that independently determines
[44:56]
the values of the properties inside
Navarro County.
[44:59]
Tax assessing
[45:01]
collecting is performed by Nevara
County. They collected all for all
[45:04]
jurisdictions and then remit that to
the appropriate jurisdictions.
[45:08]
I have updated this total tax rate
here with the proposed
[45:12]
and adopted tax rates for 2027.
[45:14]
Uh so we can see of course, Canana
ISD is the biggest at 1.16.
[45:19]
Uh City of Corsicana 5208, County of
Nero 4245
[45:25]
and then Nero College 0.1077.
[45:28]
And so we can see kind of some quick
math that if a home was
[45:32]
appraised at $200,000.
[45:35]
the total tax is going to be
$4,439.80.
[45:40]
And then we can kind of see that's
broken down proportionally of which
[45:43]
each jurisdiction is collecting from
that property tax.
[45:52]
A little bit about the city's
property tax.
[45:55]
So our current tax rate in this
fiscal year is 0.5034,
[45:59]
comprised of a MNO of 0.3555.
[46:02]
This is the portion of the property
tax that is the revenue for the
[46:06]
city that we use to uh for
maintenance and operations.
[46:09]
So this is the piece that helps
provide the expenditures,
[46:13]
provide for the expenditures.
[46:15]
Then we also have debt service, which
is any debt we've used, some of that
debt
[46:19]
goes towards things like the capital
improvement program.
[46:21]
And so that debt there is 0.1479 for
the current year.
[46:27]
Uh the tax assessor calculates our
tax rates for us.
[46:31]
And so they calculated the no new
revenue rate for our current year
[46:34]
as 0.5208 and a maximum voter
[46:37]
approval rate of 0.5430.
[46:40]
Tonight we're proposed and the no new
revenue rate is our tax rate
[46:44]
for this next fiscal year. 0.5208.
[46:47]
This is comprised of a maintenance
and operating of 0.3675 and a
[46:52]
debt service of 0.1533.
[46:56]
Uh as pointed out in some of our
other ordinances,
[46:58]
this is a small increase.
[46:59]
The MNO specifically increases by
3.38% from prior year.
[47:04]
And the total rate increases by 3.46
from prior year.
[47:08]
Now a little bit behind this
calculation and how this works out.
[47:12]
And so there on the right hand side
we have uh some other information.
[47:15]
Uh like I said, the CAD determines
that taxable value for us
[47:18]
up there at the top.
[47:20]
And so last year's taxable value was
$2.7 billion.
[47:25]
When we look at the same properties,
[47:27]
that becomes our 2026 adjusted
taxable value.
[47:30]
So from 25 taxable to the adjusted
taxable, that's the same properties,
[47:34]
it reduced to 2.6, down $114 million
from prior year in value.
[47:40]
So this reduction in value is what's
driving uh the increase
[47:43]
in our no new revenue rate percentage
there.
[47:49]
After that, we add in any new value
generated in the year, and so we
[47:53]
added $52.9 million for a new 2026
total taxable value of 2
[47:57]
point $6 billion.
[48:00]
or $2.69 billion.
[48:03]
Uh and we can kind of see some of
this math here with how these rates
stack up.
[48:07]
And so there in the top box is our
current year tax rate of 5034
[48:11]
times our 2025 total taxable value,
which generates a total of
[48:15]
$13.8 million in total collections.
[48:18]
Our proposed rate and our no new
revenue rate as calculated compares
[48:23]
against the adjusted taxable value.
[48:26]
And so this is kind of the hard part
about the tax rate for us,
[48:30]
uh is that it looks at the same
properties as last year compared
[48:33]
to this year, and so those values
decreased, and so our tax rate is
[48:38]
increasing on the same values.
[48:40]
And so that's where the 0.5208
[48:42]
that we're presenting tonight comes
from.
[48:44]
And as you can see our total
collections is down based off of
that.
[48:48]
So even with the tax rate increase,
we're still losing out on about
[48:51]
$115,000 in revenue from this year to
next year.
[48:56]
Now once we add in the new values, uh
it does increase up, so about
[49:00]
$160,000 total value, or total
revenue gain to $14 million.
[49:09]
This one kind of explains that no new
revenue tax rate
[49:12]
uh a little bit more graphically, but
basically as values go up,
[49:15]
then our no new revenue can decrease.
[49:17]
If values decrease, then our no new
revenue tax rate has to increase
[49:21]
in order for us to maintain the same
revenue dollars from year over year.
[49:24]
Uh and so this is just a little bit
of a breakdown
[49:26]
to kind of help explain that a little
bit better.
[49:30]
I do want to provide some property
tax rate comparisons, these are
[49:34]
updated proposed tax rates for all of
our comparison cities.
[49:36]
Uh so we can see Corsicana at 0.5208
[49:39]
and then some of our neighboring
cities and comparison cities around
[49:43]
the state in our area here.
[49:45]
Uh selected for either population
size or similar geographics
[49:49]
or uh county seat.
[49:52]
things like that.
[49:56]
What I will say from updating this
spreadsheet,
[49:58]
pretty much all cities are faced with
the same
[50:01]
thing is that all of their values
also decreased.
[50:03]
Uh and so most of them are either
having to increase
[50:07]
or their MNOs increasing to
compensate for for that
[50:09]
loss in value.
[50:14]
The other significant portions are
sales tax and so here's
[50:18]
my math behind our sales tax
projection
[50:21]
and why it's increasing from 11.3 to
this year to 11.9
[50:24]
next year or 11.6 as I have budgeted.
[50:28]
Uh and so we just have a very strong
trend, a lot of the new
[50:30]
businesses are helping drive this as
well.
[50:38]
A big piece is our five-year capital
plan and so again,
[50:40]
capital planning matters, it helps us
allocate our
[50:42]
resources for growth.
[50:44]
And so as the city continues to look
towards growth, having
[50:46]
a good solid plan that's flexible but
provides
[50:48]
guidance,
[50:50]
is going to be important to make sure
we're addressing all the
[50:52]
needs that we have for that growth,
[50:54]
especially as that growth impacts the
older infrastructure.
[50:59]
Uh helps us with investment
opportunity prioritization.
[51:02]
And so as we look out forward,
[51:03]
we can see when we need the money,
[51:05]
when we need to take out debt, when
we need to make sure
[51:06]
we're investing our money
[51:08]
so that way we can potentially earn
interest as opposed to
[51:10]
needing to take out debt.
[51:12]
All this is part of a strategy.
[51:15]
And of course, improved fiscal
responsibility.
[51:16]
It helps us communicate that clearly
to our uh residents,
[51:19]
to the citizens,
[51:21]
uh to the council, and as well as
maintain
[51:23]
our accountability internally.
[51:27]
For the general fund, these are our
projects from 2027
[51:29]
to 2031.
[51:34]
We can see about 15.9 right under
right under 16 million
[51:38]
dollars in proposed projects for this
next fiscal year.
[51:43]
Uh we do have about 18.8 million
dollars in funding
[51:45]
between debt issuances, donations,
general fund, uh not
[51:48]
general fund, but fund balances from
various funds that are
[51:50]
supporting these projects.
[51:57]
Here are some of the major projects,
a lot of infrastructure
[51:59]
projects, both streets, out at the
airport, city facilities,
[52:03]
some equipment purchases, like an
ambulance power stretchers,
[52:08]
uh and then some projects that are in
progress that were
[52:09]
closing out.
[52:11]
Uh things like the animal shelter
that are in progress,
[52:13]
a fire training tower, as well as a
Quint fire apparatus.
[52:20]
On the utility side, we're continuing
to be pretty
[52:22]
aggressive with our improvements here
[52:23]
11.6 million in projected expenses
supported by 11.9
[52:25]
uh in bonds issued.
[52:32]
We have significant progress on
completing pipe bursting
[52:34]
projects, working on our 287 bridge
utility relocations,
[52:38]
and then continuing to improve our
aging wastewater, water and
[52:40]
utility system infrastructure.
[52:47]
Any questions that I can answer at
this time?
[52:52]
Yes, I have a few.
[52:55]
So looking at the um looking at some
of the items,
[53:01]
I noticed that uh the municipal court
Truancy
[53:04]
Prevention Fund is 7,000.
[53:08]
I'm trying I didn't know we had
truancy.
[53:13]
That is a mandatory fee that the
state mandates that
[53:16]
municipal court collects.
[53:18]
So for certain offenses, a portion of
the fine has to be
[53:21]
allocated to a bunch of different
buckets,
[53:23]
such as court security, court
technology, truancy,
[53:27]
uh rules of the road.
[53:30]
Uh and so there's a lot of little
buckets that every fine
[53:32]
that the city assesses has to go to
as well as a portion that
[53:35]
has to be remitted back to the state.
[53:38]
So that is a special revenue fund
that's comprised of
[53:41]
finds from those finds.
[53:45]
So they get to get fine for traffic.
[53:49]
Well, just from fine money is divided
up, you know, like if
[53:51]
you pay a fine for a speeding ticket,
[53:53]
the law designates what some of the
fees go to, what you have
[53:56]
to use it for.
[53:59]
Got you.
[54:00]
Correct, is that
[54:01]
Yes. So it's titled truancy because
that's what it was
[54:03]
established as when the state said a
portion of these
[54:06]
fees or fines has to go into this
bucket to address this
[54:10]
issue. And that's what it is for.
[54:16]
Okay.
[54:17]
The other um question I had was what
we're looking at the
[54:20]
uh the fees and cost of services.
[54:23]
I noticed that like the commercial
water rates, um and
[54:25]
the residential water rates are the
same.
[54:32]
Um, I thought we had a discussion
that they should
[54:35]
pay, I guess because they use it more
gallons or something
[54:41]
like that?
[54:46]
I thought that we
[54:48]
Are you referring to our last uh work
session?
[54:50]
Yes.
[54:51]
So, if correct me if I'm wrong, Val,
the the information
[54:53]
that was presented in that rate study
was not necessarily for
[54:56]
this budget year.
[54:58]
Um, it was something for us to look
at.
[55:01]
we could either amend the fees later,
[55:03]
but it wasn't necessarily going to be
[55:05]
uh considered in this particular
budget at this time. Was that
correct?
[55:08]
Yes, we ran out of time to make sure
we all were on the same page there.
[55:12]
but there are two separate pieces
presented. One was
[55:15]
uh just the rates as they exist
today.
[55:17]
what kind of revenue we needed to
remain uh
[55:23]
with our heads above water and what
that looked like,
[55:25]
and then a separate piece, which was
that construction in progress
[55:29]
additional fee.
[55:31]
And so I know from the end of that
meeting, we wanted to look at
[55:34]
how that was structured instead of
something uniform across the board.
[55:36]
We wanted to look at applying
different rates to different
[55:40]
user groups to assess, you know,
[55:43]
senior citizen is not using near as
much water as a major industry.
[55:47]
and so it's not equitable for them
both to be saying the same for our
[55:51]
CIP costs.
[55:52]
It would make a lot more sense for
the heavy users to pay
[55:55]
a larger share of that.
[55:58]
And so uh yes, we wanted to make sure
that that's being addressed
[56:02]
and so nothing presented tonight is
addressing that
[56:05]
particular side of the issue.
[56:06]
to where we're that is for a future
budget year.
[56:12]
Uh the only other thing that I kind
of notice is that
[56:15]
uh we're doing deposits for water.
[56:19]
Our residents are paying 250 if you
rent, 150 if you're owner.
[56:26]
And industrial is only pay- they're
paying the same amount
[56:28]
as a residential renter.
[56:31]
Um, to me it doesn't really make
sense,
[56:34]
cuz industrial make millions of
dollars and they're
[56:37]
only paying 250 for a deposit.
[56:40]
And so my only thing with that would
be if we
[56:43]
in the future can look at possibly
changing that part.
[56:47]
But other than that, um, that's all I
kind of notice.
[56:51]
said.
[56:54]
Any other questions from the council?
[56:58]
From the audience, any questions?
[57:04]
If not, we'll move to uh Ross, would
you read the
[57:07]
Mr. Mayor.
[57:08]
Yes.
[57:09]
We have a question.
[57:12]
If you have a question, please come
forward, state your name
[57:17]
and uh your address, and you have
three minutes.
[57:20]
public hearing.
[57:26]
Yes, Kirpernet 619 N 25th Street.
[57:30]
Of course, Cannas.
[57:31]
I just it's more of a an issue I saw
when I was reading through this
[57:36]
about some of the verbs we were
using.
[57:39]
Um, and correct me if I'm wrong
because it kind of was kind of
[57:42]
confusing going through it all.
[57:43]
But you know, the tax rate ordinance
under item 6C states,
[57:47]
the proposed tax rate is not greater
than the no new revenue tax rate.
[57:52]
This means that the city of Corsicana
is not proposing to increase
[57:55]
poverty taxes for the 2026 tax year.
[57:59]
So that was last year's, correct?
[58:04]
So, the uh from the same properties
as last year. Correct.
[58:09]
Because then further on, the same
ordinance goes on to state this
[58:12]
tax rate will raise more taxes for
maintenance and operations
[58:16]
than last year's tax rates.
[58:17]
And then further the tax rate will
effectively be raised by 3.46%
[58:21]
and will raise taxes for maintenance
and operations
[58:24]
I went off a $100,000 home by
approximately $12,
[58:26]
but you are a $200,000 up there.
[58:29]
So on the board where it says the
3.46 increase and also
[58:32]
down below the 3.38% increase.
[58:36]
Reading the agenda, it directly
contradicts one another
[58:40]
and I don't think the city can
simultaneously tell residents
[58:43]
it's not proposing to increase
property taxes
[58:45]
while acknowledging the rate will
raise more taxes
[58:47]
and effectively be raised.
[58:49]
So I'm just making sure there's not a
clerical issue.
[58:56]
So, on this note, a lot of it's going
to have to do with the
[58:59]
mandatory way the state makes us say
the verbage in there.
[59:03]
So anything that looks out of place
in the ordinance, all capitalized,
[59:07]
larger font and things like that,
that's required verbage from the
state.
[59:10]
Uh in this case, the the math kind of
doesn't 100% make sense.
[59:15]
And so when we look at the math has
presented here,
[59:20]
uh from 2025 total taxable value to
the 2026 adjusted taxable value,
[59:24]
these are the same properties year
over year.
[59:27]
And so this is where it states that
the no new revenue rate
[59:31]
that we're not going above it.
[59:33]
And so because we're locking in at
that 0.5208, which was
[59:36]
calculated off of the adjusted
taxable value,
[59:39]
that's where that piece comes in.
[59:41]
Now, when you add in the new value,
our 2026 total taxable value does
[59:46]
go up from the adjusted taxable value
by about 53 million in value.
[59:51]
And so that's where the MNO is going
to generate more.
[59:55]
Um now, this is unfortunately, we
look at the whole city, we
[1:00:01]
I can't look at an individual and
assess anything individually.
[1:00:03]
And so, uh, overall our property
values decreased by 114 million.
[1:00:10]
Some of that was a mandatory
exemption from the state, the
personal business property exemption.
[1:00:16]
Uh, that reduced it by about 53
million,
[1:00:18]
and then the Central Pasel district
also helped
[1:00:21]
us out reducing some people's
property values further.
[1:00:25]
Uh, to get us to where we are at
today and why our no new
[1:00:27]
revenue rate is increasing over last
year's adopted tax rate.
[1:00:31]
I just want to make sure that
[1:00:33]
the city we're not going to get in
trouble for
[1:00:35]
I know you're supposed to use the
boilerplate that the was it
[1:00:38]
26.05 the Texas code requires, but
[1:00:43]
I flied it because they contradict
each other.
[1:00:45]
I just want to make sure that we're
taking out something if it
[1:00:48]
was copy and paste from last year
into this year's.
[1:00:51]
We are.
[1:00:52]
Uh, I also because of how confusing
it is, I do utilize
[1:00:56]
other means and other checks to make
sure that we're including
[1:00:59]
everything that we're supposed to.
[1:01:00]
And so, because of the way the math
works out in the total,
[1:01:03]
it is an increase and there is a
larger M&O revenue generated.
[1:01:08]
Um, but based off of last year's
adjusted values are the current
[1:01:12]
year adjusted values being less than
last year's total tax rate.
[1:01:17]
We are locked in at the no new
revenue rate.
[1:01:20]
That was the only thing I saw that I
was kind of concerned about.
[1:01:22]
Thank you. Thank your suit, please.
[1:01:26]
Is there anyone else?
[1:01:28]
Anyone else?
[1:01:30]
Hearing none, we'll move to the next
item.
[1:01:32]
Mayor, I was I was going to ask if
you want me to talk now or if
[1:01:35]
you wanted me to talk on one of these
future ones.
[1:01:37]
Uh, we've got you in the next one.
[1:01:39]
In the next one? Okay.
[1:01:43]
Um.
[1:01:45]
Okay, we will go to
[1:01:50]
item 6C.
[1:01:53]
Or were we?
[1:01:57]
Marcy, were the last one that you
read for us was
[1:02:01]
We're on 6B.
[1:02:04]
All right.
[1:02:06]
6B.
[1:02:07]
Uh, would you read that caption,
please, ma'am?
[1:02:10]
Yes. Receive public input regarding
[1:02:13]
ratifying the property tax increase
reflected in fiscal
[1:02:17]
year 2027 adopted budget and
acknowledging that the increase
[1:02:22]
raises more in tax revenue than the
fiscal year 2026 adopted budget.
[1:02:29]
Mr. Ridge.
[1:02:37]
Uh, I won't labor this too much.
[1:02:38]
This is a mandatory step by the state
to ratify that there
[1:02:42]
is a increase in revenue being
generated.
[1:02:45]
Uh, we we kind of addressed that
there in the last comment.
[1:02:48]
But basically because our values
decreased when we look at the
[1:02:52]
same properties, we had to raise our
no new revenue rate, our the
[1:02:55]
no new revenue rate raised by 3.34,
excuse me, 3.46% in total.
[1:03:02]
Uh, the maintenance and operations
also increased by 3.38 from prior
[1:03:07]
year and this is going to generate
more money than last year because
[1:03:10]
of the new values are the new
properties added to our valuation.
[1:03:14]
Input or questions for the from the
council?
[1:03:20]
Anything for Val?
[1:03:23]
Any input or questions from the
audience?
[1:03:27]
Hearing none, we'll move to item C,
Miss Rossen.
[1:03:31]
Receive public input regarding
adopting the tax rate of 0.5208
[1:03:37]
for fiscal year 2027.
[1:03:41]
Mr. Ridge.
[1:03:44]
This is the actual adoption of the
tax rate and so we are
[1:03:48]
presenting the no new revenue rate as
calculated 0.5208.
[1:03:52]
We can see the math as presented.
[1:03:58]
Mr. Holsou.
[1:04:00]
Sure.
[1:04:01]
Um, so, I I'd ask the mayor, um,
since we're talking about all of
[1:04:06]
these things with the property tax
rate and the dollars
[1:04:09]
collected and everything.
[1:04:10]
Um, if he'd be okay if I just kind of
gave us a property tax
[1:04:13]
system 101, so everyone could
[1:04:15]
uh, maybe understand this a little
bit better.
[1:04:18]
Um, because the the point that the
city of Course Can is in,
[1:04:22]
um, is kind of a unique situation
within the the property tax code.
[1:04:26]
And so I wanted to be able to explain
this to everybody to to
[1:04:29]
help you understand it a little bit
better.
[1:04:32]
Um, unfortunately, I have to join the
club here now.
[1:04:35]
Um, so, uh, Val, could you go to the
the next slide, the one
[1:04:38]
with the arrows?
[1:04:40]
Yeah.
[1:04:42]
Um, so, the the way that the system
works and this is not a
[1:04:45]
defense of the system, this is not an
endorsement of it, this
[1:04:49]
is just the way that it works.
[1:04:51]
Is, um, the the city receives, uh,
the certified totals from the
[1:04:55]
appraisal district and then the city
receives from the tax assessor
[1:04:59]
collector the no new revenue rate.
[1:05:01]
and the voter approval rate.
[1:05:03]
And so that no new revenue rate, that
is calculated as the same dollars
from
[1:05:09]
the same properties as the year
before, and then any new builds, any
new
[1:05:16]
businesses, houses, development, what
have you, gets added onto that. And
so same
[1:05:23]
dollars from same pockets is, uh, is
left steady with the no new revenue
rate from
[1:05:29]
the previous year, and then the way
that a city or a county or a school
district
[1:05:33]
recognizes growth is from the new
development that comes with it. And
so,
[1:05:42]
um, when we receive those those
rates, uh, the the city and, and I'll
just say
[1:05:48]
the city as any government entity.
This applies to school districts,
junior
[1:05:52]
colleges, counties, what have you.
Um, that no new revenue rate,
anything higher
[1:06:01]
than the no new revenue rate is a tax
dollar increase. Anything below the
no
[1:06:06]
new revenue rate is a tax dollar cut.
And then the voter approval rate is
the
[1:06:11]
maximum amount allowed by law before
voters have to vote to raise their
taxes
[1:06:13]
that amount. And so, um, it's in that
scenario that any government, the
city in
[1:06:18]
our case, we can choose the no new
revenue rate and that is same dollars
[1:06:22]
from same pockets as the year before.
Anything higher is a tax increase.
Uh,
[1:06:25]
the city can, can pass any rate up to
the city can, can pass any rate up to
the voter approval rate, um, without
without
[1:06:31]
voter approval. It's a little
backwards, but that's how it works.
Uh, the city can
[1:06:33]
also pass a rate all the way down to
zero. The city could decide to
abolish
[1:06:40]
property taxes right here and now if
we wish. But you always have to be
careful
[1:06:47]
what you wish for, right? Um, you
kind of have to pick, okay, what what
$9 million
[1:06:50]
worth of services are we no longer
going to offer? Um, but the the way
that this
[1:06:56]
works, um, is a lot of times people
focus on tax rate from year one and
compare it
[1:07:00]
to tax rate from year two. And so,
uh, in in this scenario, um, what's
happened is
[1:07:09]
because property values have come
down, that no new revenue rate is
actually
[1:07:14]
higher than the previous year's tax
rate. And, uh, like what Val said, a
good
[1:07:20]
portion of that reduction in value
that reduction in value that caused
the rate to go higher than last
[1:07:24]
year's rate, um, was due to, I think
it was proposition nine, um, on the
November
[1:07:30]
2025 ballot. Um, where Texas voters
approved $125,000 business personal
[1:07:32]
property tax exemption for commercial
users, um, who have to render that
business
[1:07:40]
personal property tax. And so because
of that, and then some some other
appraisal,
[1:07:42]
um, decisions, um, that value was
reduced. And so normally when values
[1:07:47]
continue to increase, that no new
revenue rate typically drops below
the previous
[1:07:53]
year's rate to account for that
increase in value. When total values
go down,
[1:07:57]
that's when the no new revenue rate
comes up. Because we as a city, we
don't levy
[1:08:03]
taxes on that house or that business,
we have one bucket of value that we
can levy
[1:08:09]
a tax on. And that's the, uh, that
that that is the non-exempt, uh,
taxable value. And
[1:08:18]
so when that, uh, when that bucket of
value reduces, you get the situation
[1:08:20]
where we have. So in the uh, in the
ordinance where it says, um, the tax
[1:08:25]
rate will be effectively raised by
3.4% and will raise taxes from
maintenance and
[1:08:29]
operations on a $100,000 home. What
this is doing is it's, it's not
necessarily
[1:08:34]
a $100,000 home. This is the wording,
um, that the the state legislature
chose
[1:08:41]
to be used, but it's on each $100,000
portion of that taxable value. So our
[1:08:46]
total taxable value decreased,
therefore we have fewer $100,000
portions on which
[1:08:53]
to levy a tax. And so if you want to
go back to the previous slide here.
So our
[1:09:00]
total taxable value, um, that top
green line in 2025, uh, 2.75 million.
The 2026
[1:09:05]
adjusted taxable value, and I know
Val talked about this before, um, but
sometimes
[1:09:13]
I think it's good for people to hear,
you know, the same thing from two
different
[1:09:20]
people, maybe one of us will make
sense. Um, the 2026 adjusted taxable
value is
[1:09:29]
the same properties as at 2025
taxable value. So the same
properties, there you
[1:09:36]
go. Um, the same properties reduced
in value by 114 million. So when that
happens,
[1:09:45]
in order for the city to collect the
same dollars from the same pockets,
that's how
[1:09:57]
the no new revenue rate increases.
And then we get the 2026 total
taxable value,
[1:10:01]
city that is growing to realize new
dollars
[1:10:04]
while the same pockets from the same
year or from the previous year, um
[1:10:08]
are having a reduced tax burden.
[1:10:10]
Um, or or the equal tax burden.
[1:10:13]
So if you want to scroll down a
little bit here, Val.
[1:10:16]
Um, so what I want to point out here
so you see that first box
[1:10:19]
where it says current year tax rate.
[1:10:22]
So that's fiscal year 2026.
[1:10:24]
Um, you can see the total levy
between the debt service and the M&O.
[1:10:28]
Uh, debt service, that is the portion
of your property tax bill
[1:10:32]
that goes to uh to paying debts.
[1:10:34]
So when we have road bonds, we have
construction bonds, whatever um
bonds,
[1:10:40]
you know, to uh, you know, build a
water treatment facility or,
[1:10:42]
you know, what have you.
[1:10:44]
Um, things like that come out of the
debt service.
[1:10:47]
And so your total property tax rate
is actually split into two.
[1:10:52]
So maintenance and operation, that is
for day-to-day operations.
[1:10:54]
So that's police, fire, roads, uh,
keeping City Hall standing, right?
[1:11:00]
That's that's what all comes out of
maintenance and operations.
[1:11:03]
And so those two rates come together
for your total tax rate.
[1:11:06]
And so the total levy for 2020, for
fiscal year 2026,
[1:11:11]
uh was 13.8 million, so that's 13
million 883. Yes.
[1:11:16]
So, if you look at the uh, the no-new
revenue rate and the proposed rate,
[1:11:20]
so box uh two and box three.
[1:11:23]
Um, the total levy for the no-new
revenue rate, that is going off of
[1:11:26]
the 2026 adjusted total.
[1:11:29]
So that's the total levy on the same
properties from the year before.
[1:11:33]
Um, and so that that's where I say
same same pocket, same dollars.
[1:11:37]
So that amount uh went down by a
$115,085.
[1:11:43]
If you look at the top right where it
says rate,
[1:11:45]
Um that $115,085 is the difference
[1:11:48]
between the current year total levy
and the no-new revenue rate total
levy.
[1:11:53]
So when you pass the no-new revenue
rate,
[1:11:55]
it is it is mathematically within,
you know, a margin of error
[1:11:59]
of being the same dollars.
[1:12:02]
Um and so where the the increase in
dollars to the city is coming from,
[1:12:07]
is when you look at the proposed rate
at total value,
[1:12:10]
um that's the bottom box here.
[1:12:12]
So, as you can see, the the rate
we're adopting is the no-new revenue
rate.
[1:12:16]
Um, when you take in the proposed
rate at total value,
[1:12:20]
that is now including the new
development, new houses,
[1:12:23]
new companies, what have you.
[1:12:25]
And so by adding in those new
dollars,
[1:12:28]
um, you can see in the the bottom
right, uh $275,500.
[1:12:33]
So that is $275,000 from new
development that's getting added.
[1:12:38]
So you subtract 115,000, you add
275,000.
[1:12:43]
So it's a net gain of what is that?
160, 165, something like that.
[1:12:49]
So, because of how the no-new revenue
rate works and how the new
development
[1:12:52]
works,
[1:12:54]
you actually bring in more dollars
than the previous year.
[1:12:58]
Um, and then because of that no-new
revenue rate going up but collecting
[1:13:01]
the same dollars from the same
pockets,
[1:13:04]
um because all of the appraised value
came down,
[1:13:07]
that's where you get the tax rate
going up.
[1:13:09]
And so in all of the state mandated
reporting,
[1:13:13]
that's what we have to say.
[1:13:15]
So it's this is not meant to be, you
know, trying to, you know, weasel
[1:13:18]
our way out of whatever it is that
we're doing, right?
[1:13:21]
This is to try and help you explain
help you understand how the system
[1:13:24]
works because in, you know, what I've
always told people
[1:13:27]
when I do my property tax education
events whatever,
[1:13:31]
is that the property tax system to me
is intentionally broken.
[1:13:34]
Um, it's meant to be something that's
very difficult to understand.
[1:13:37]
And as you can see from here, like it
it it takes a minute
[1:13:40]
to get used to it.
[1:13:43]
So, um, when we read these things,
uh, remember that it's it's not
saying,
[1:13:48]
you know, we have to say $100,000
home.
[1:13:50]
in all of these disclosures, but what
it really means is $100,000
[1:13:54]
portions of the total taxable value.
[1:13:57]
And when there are less of those
$100,000 portions, that's what makes
[1:14:01]
the no-new revenue rate go up.
[1:14:02]
So that when the city levies taxes on
the city as a whole,
[1:14:07]
the city is gaining the same dollars
from the same pockets and then
gaining
[1:14:10]
new dollars from new pockets.
[1:14:13]
So I wanted to make sure that
everyone understood how this worked.
[1:14:16]
Because it it is true that the city
is gaining more tax dollars from
[1:14:19]
property taxes.
[1:14:22]
It is also true that those dollars
are coming from new development
[1:14:26]
and they are not necessarily coming
um from existing uh residents,
[1:14:30]
businesses, what have you.
[1:14:33]
And so one of the other common
misconceptions
[1:14:36]
um is is people tend to think that,
you know, oh, the city's raising my
[1:14:38]
property taxes or,
[1:14:40]
oh, you know, they cut my neighbors,
why did they raise mine?
[1:14:42]
is that the city cannot decide um
[1:14:46]
I'm raising that one, I'm cutting
that one.
[1:14:47]
Whatever that total value is, is what
what the city has to work with.
[1:14:53]
And so under the no-new revenue rate,
some properties can see an increase.
[1:14:59]
Some properties can
[1:15:01]
see a decrease. And so
[1:15:03]
we are not able to control uh
[1:15:06]
what property sees what increase or
decrease with the no new revenue
rate.
[1:15:09]
We're just saying that the city
taxable value as a whole is going to
collect
[1:15:14]
the same dollars from the same
pockets as the year before and then
gain that
[1:15:18]
new value from the new development.
[1:15:21]
Um, so I wanted to make sure we took
a minute to try and understand some
of this.
[1:15:25]
I know it's complicated.
[1:15:27]
Um, I know some of it might not make
sense.
[1:15:30]
Um, but I wanted to do my best to try
and explain that to everybody so that
[1:15:34]
when you see all of this, um
hopefully it makes a little bit more
sense.
[1:15:39]
That's your budget. Thanks, Chris.
[1:15:42]
Anything else, any input or questions
from the council?
[1:15:46]
From the audience?
[1:15:47]
Just my only input is I know, you
know,
[1:15:51]
some of us some are going to fill it,
[1:15:55]
Um, especially our low economic
income families.
[1:15:59]
And so my only input is that as a
council, as a city, like we have to
make
[1:16:04]
sure and I understand the whole no
new revenue Act, uh but
[1:16:09]
we have got to make sure that we have
some type of security for our
citizens
[1:16:15]
to provide better jobs, um and
services so they can afford,
[1:16:18]
you know, when we have to raise our
taxes, like they can afford it.
[1:16:23]
Because we're hurting, like this
economy is hurting our citizens.
[1:16:26]
And uh we got to make sure that our
families can have some great paying
jobs,
[1:16:31]
we got to create some some great jobs
for them to be able to afford it
because
[1:16:35]
we don't want them to leave and go
somewhere else and pay taxes in
another city.
[1:16:39]
We want to keep them here.
[1:16:40]
So we got to do our good diligence to
make sure that
[1:16:44]
when we raise it, that we take care
of them.
[1:16:47]
And that's just where I'm going to
leave it.
[1:16:53]
Anyone else?
[1:16:55]
Miss Rossom, would you read the
caption for 6D?
[1:16:59]
Receive public input regarding a
proposed amendment to chapter 13,
[1:17:03]
entitled municipal fees of the city
Code of Ordinances to provide
changes,
[1:17:07]
additions, and deletions of certain
fees.
[1:17:12]
Mr. Rich.
[1:17:15]
So, I guess I drew picked pulled the
uh short straw on this one, so I'm
[1:17:18]
presenting the chapter 13 municipal
fees update for our new fiscal year.
[1:17:24]
So, as presented in the agenda
packet, these are just the portions
that we
[1:17:27]
are adjusting.
[1:17:30]
Um, on the administrative side, we're
raising our returned check fee
[1:17:33]
from $25 to $35.
[1:17:37]
A lot of these one-off fees outside
of the utility rates is going to be
[1:17:40]
attached to kind of punitive
measures.
[1:17:44]
Our utility billing and other
services are seeing a lot of people
bounce checks,
[1:17:48]
uh have ACH's get withdrawn and all
of
[1:17:53]
this adds fees to us that we have to
pay
[1:17:57]
on top of fees you have to pay as an
individual.
[1:18:00]
And so we want to try to reduce that,
I know that's the word out of our
[1:18:03]
utility billing department and so
we're adjusting these to hopefully
try to
[1:18:06]
curtail some of those delinquent
payments.
[1:18:10]
Uh, we thought it was redundant to
have this stop payment fee,
[1:18:13]
so looking to delete that.
[1:18:15]
Uh beer and wine fees, this is
something that the state changed, we
can no longer
[1:18:19]
assess those at the local level, it's
entirely handled at the state level.
[1:18:23]
Uh so we just want to go ahead and
clean those up off of our fee
schedule.
[1:18:26]
We haven't been assessing those at
all, but there's no reason to even
have them on there.
[1:18:33]
As mentioned our utilities, water and
wastewater from that rate study, we
found
[1:18:37]
that we do need at least a 9% both
water and wastewater in order to keep
us
[1:18:42]
uh even with our operating expense
and fighting against the inflation
[1:18:46]
that we've seen.
[1:18:49]
Uh and so the city is not unfamiliar
with the same burdens as the
citizens,
[1:18:54]
gas increases, so do our costs to get
the materials and chemicals to our
facilities.
[1:19:01]
And so as well as getting the cruise
in order to fix our infrastructure.
[1:19:05]
And so this is all to kind of address
that and dig us out of that hole.
[1:19:09]
And so what we'll see here from all
the way across the board is a 9%
increase
[1:19:12]
both water and wastewater.
[1:19:15]
Here are the residential rates and
their increases.
[1:19:18]
Hey, Val.
[1:19:19]
Yes.
[1:19:20]
Um, I was under the impression that
the impression that the stuff from
the rate study was not going
[1:19:25]
to be considered yet, that we were
going back to the drawing board on
that.
[1:19:29]
The rate increase is separate from
the construction or the CIP fee that
was
[1:19:33]
what he was presenting that was
adding like the $11 or the two
[1:19:37]
adjusting and flat rate.
[1:19:40]
Uh, so this is kind of the at minimum
what we need and we'll kind of look
at
[1:19:44]
a slide after this that kind of shows
this that kind of shows this rate
adjustment gets us out of a hole.
[1:19:48]
right now we're bleeding about $1.2
million at our current rates.
[1:19:53]
Uh and so we've kind of held off on
really adjusting rates because of the
[1:19:56]
50 cent increase the last two years.
[1:20:00]
But the rate study
[1:20:01]
point where we are woefully
insufficient in our rates.
[1:20:06]
Uh and so that's what this presents
is just enough to get us out of that
hole,
[1:20:10]
uh and back to uh kind of positive
ground.
[1:20:13]
Now the construction progress piece
has presented
[1:20:15]
and that was
[1:20:20]
what we need to make sure is
equitable across the board,
[1:20:23]
that the industry is paying a more
fair share for their usage and things
like that.
[1:20:27]
That is a piece that we have
postponed. There is no impact to this
year related to that.
[1:20:33]
Okay, because I, I was under the
impression that was all connected.
[1:20:38]
Um.
[1:20:40]
Yeah, I I thought that we were taking
the whole thing back to the drawing
board.
[1:20:44]
not that we were just gonna go ahead
with one piece of it and then come
back and talk about another piece.
[1:20:49]
And that's fine for us to discuss. I
just wanted to let you know that
[1:20:52]
this piece is a separate issue
completely from
[1:20:57]
going back to the drawing board.
[1:20:58]
Our existing rates already
differentiate from one class to
another.
[1:21:02]
Um, this is just a uniform across the
board, raise,
[1:21:08]
in order to address, like I said, the
the revenue deficit.
[1:21:11]
we're just not seeing any growth
[1:21:13]
uh on the utility side and expenses
are continuing to increase.
[1:21:17]
And so if we continue with our
current progress of postponing
[1:21:21]
or only adjusting water rates,
[1:21:22]
uh it's going to continue to
hemorrhage until it can't support
itself.
[1:21:28]
Uh, some other punitive changes,
tampering and damage to broken lock.
[1:21:32]
Uh, cutoff list, trip charge, service
transfer fee.
[1:21:36]
Uh, and then a little bit of
adjustment on the sanitation side.
[1:21:39]
So refuse hauling, a 50 cent increase
there.
[1:21:42]
Um, and then residential monthly rate
or business rate,
[1:21:45]
another 50 cent or 55 cent increase
there.
[1:21:48]
uh to kind of close the gap in the
increased charges from Republic
[1:21:51]
for managing that contract.
[1:21:55]
Uh, this should be familiar, but this
does show exactly what
[1:21:58]
uh this increase does.
[1:22:01]
And so the proposed stepped increase
did not include that CIP
[1:22:05]
during the work session that
presented this information.
[1:22:08]
This is just the 9% increase that we
need in order to stop hemorraging
[1:22:12]
our fund.
[1:22:15]
Um, and so it takes us from the 7660,
which is the current average
[1:22:18]
bill for 5,000 gallons a month,
[1:22:21]
up to 8350 is what this does.
[1:22:25]
Uh, that 9523 way up there, that's
the proposed level that levels out
[1:22:29]
that CIP and includes it in this
current fiscal year.
[1:22:33]
Again, the step plan had no CIP,
[1:22:35]
we're taking that back to the drawing
board and making sure that's
equitable
[1:22:37]
and something well discussed.
[1:22:39]
Uh, this is just the 9%.
[1:22:46]
And if this is something that needs
more discussion,
[1:22:48]
that's we can do that as well,
[1:22:50]
but we do have a limitation here
that, you know,
[1:22:53]
deferring revenue increases continues
to put us in a hole
[1:22:56]
and then postpones that increasing
further revenue needs in the future.
[1:23:04]
So 9% today turns into a 10, 12% six
months to a year from now.
[1:23:10]
I, if I was a resident and I was
looking at this,
[1:23:13]
I would be highly upset.
[1:23:15]
to know that if I'm a resident and I
want to get my water cut on,
[1:23:20]
I'm going to be paying the same
amount as a an industrial that
[1:23:23]
is making millions of dollars.
[1:23:27]
Like to me, that doesn't look like we
are helping.
[1:23:31]
And correct me if I am wrong, but if
I am a citizen
[1:23:33]
and I'm looking at this,
[1:23:36]
I would be upset.
[1:23:37]
Because I'm paying the same amount as
[1:23:41]
a factory that's coming in.
[1:23:45]
And so my, my take on it is I know we
in a rut,
[1:23:49]
but why not make the businesses that
are coming in,
[1:23:52]
the industrial businesses pay more
than our citizens
[1:23:57]
instead of them paying the same.
[1:24:00]
This is just the portions that are
changing.
[1:24:03]
The full schedule is in our code of
ordinances
[1:24:06]
and so that does have varying rates
[1:24:08]
for meter sizes and so if an industry
needs something bigger
[1:24:11]
than a residential user,
[1:24:12]
they're paying sufficiently more
equitable amount for that
[1:24:15]
to get their service initiated.
[1:24:18]
Uh, once it is initiated, then these
are the the rates.
[1:24:23]
Yeah, I'm talking about the deposit.
Like even to get my water cut on,
[1:24:27]
the residential's paying 250, the
industrial's paying 250.
[1:24:30]
Like to me, it would be, it, it will
make sense if
[1:24:33]
to charge them more than you're
charging a resident.
[1:24:37]
That's where the deposits, that is
just to initiate the water.
[1:24:40]
Uh, those have mostly been adjusted
in accordance to what delinquent
bills.
[1:24:45]
Uh, and so the 150 is if someone is
delinquent and fails to pay
[1:24:48]
their bill, fails to inform us that
they need to close out
[1:24:50]
their account and settle with us.
[1:24:53]
Then that 150 is the average that
utility billing has calculated
[1:24:56]
for those accounts.
[1:25:00]
Uh, the 250 is
[1:25:01]
is the average for those accounts.
[1:25:05]
the purpose of the of the deposit is
to ensure that the person
[1:25:10]
is paying their bill. If if the
person doesn't pay their bill,
[1:25:13]
that means all the other customers
are going to have
[1:25:15]
to pay more themselves. I I get that.
[1:25:17]
Um, I'm I'm just looking at even like
a deposit to get your water
[1:25:24]
cut on, the citizens are paying the
same as a million dollar
[1:25:30]
industry that's coming in. I'm gonna
say they have a
[1:25:33]
different size meter. Well, the note
on
[1:25:34]
the deposit, they paying the same for
the deposit.
[1:25:36]
The note on the deposit is that
that's not revenue coming into us,
[1:25:40]
that's just money you sitting
holding.
[1:25:42]
Once you close your account, you get
your deposit back.
[1:25:44]
So while we are holding on to it in
the meantime for your service
[1:25:48]
to get cut on, that is not the total
cost of having your service
[1:25:54]
turned on and use of your service.
That's just a deposit that we sit
[1:25:58]
on to avoid other users of the system
from having to pay delinquent
[1:26:02]
fees and bills and stuff like that
for water theft.
[1:26:11]
Val, can you talk to me about the um
the property tax revenue
[1:26:18]
increase from new construction
[1:26:20]
uh in this budget. And then did you
say a while ago that there's not
[1:26:28]
an increase in utility revenue? As
presented in our budget, the
[1:26:35]
revenue there is very flat and that
was confirmed by the rate study
[1:26:40]
as well. Can you talk about that
discrepancy, help me understand that?
[1:26:41]
Well, I mean, if if we're getting new
property tax revenue from new
[1:26:49]
growth, somebody's building a
building, they're turning on some
[1:26:56]
water. Um, some of that is maybe
they're an existence and so they've
[1:27:03]
been renting, now they've bought a
house, their usage is consistent
[1:27:07]
from one location to another
location, uh, could be businesses,
[1:27:11]
industries, commercial properties as
they're growing out there along
[1:27:17]
31, don't typically use as much water
as like an industry or a
[1:27:25]
resident, uh, especially if it's like
a shopping facility, hotel
[1:27:30]
lobby, academy, there's just not a
whole lot of water usage there.
[1:27:35]
So the correlation from new growth as
far as that's concerned could
[1:27:37]
just be additional a few additional
businesses, it could be values
[1:27:40]
of houses improving, um, uh things
like that. And so that's
[1:27:45]
where property tax could increase, it
may not necessarily be more
[1:27:46]
residents, more properties, it could
just be more value in the
[1:27:51]
existing properties. And so it
doesn't necessarily correlate to a
[1:27:54]
population growth, more people using
more water. Okay. Thank you.
[1:27:58]
Uh, another side of that is also
usage and so the last several years
[1:28:02]
have been pretty wet, cooler summers
and so that can add to that and skew
[1:28:06]
some of our results. And so that's, I
know like last year was a very
[1:28:10]
wet summer, a lot of rain, a lot of
water usage decreased from that.
[1:28:15]
And so we're just not seeing uh a
history that supports continuing
[1:28:20]
to increase revenue or that revenue
will increase. Like we've talked
[1:28:25]
about before, the water to produce a
gallon of water costs more and
[1:28:28]
more every year. And when you defer
the rate increased to correspond
[1:28:34]
with the increasing costs, it just
means it's going to build up for
[1:28:37]
higher rates later. So it's I think
it's important to make adjustments
[1:28:41]
in the rates so that you have smaller
increases in the future.
[1:28:43]
For example, if you look at the
projection here, this 9% has followed
[1:28:47]
in year two, three, four with just
three and 4% increases.
[1:28:51]
Smaller, uh, smaller amounts.
[1:28:54]
But uh, the city like the citizens
out here are being impacted by the
[1:29:01]
the rising rising costs. Whether it's
gasoline, whether it's chemicals,
[1:29:05]
whether it's the variety of things in
producing a gallon of water,
[1:29:11]
electricity, etcetera, etcetera.
Well, that cost has to be met
[1:29:13]
and the only way to meet that cost is
in fact to adjust the rates.
[1:29:19]
Yeah, my question wasn't about um
increased cost in producing a gallon.
[1:29:24]
It was clarification on the fact that
in property taxes we project
[1:29:30]
an increase in revenue, and yet
utility stays flat.
[1:29:36]
That makes that didn't make sense to
me.
[1:29:38]
Well, it doesn't make sense if in
fact those businesses really didn't
[1:29:43]
have anything more than a restroom.
Well, and the utility stuff, that's
[1:29:47]
an enterprise fund. Yes. And so
that's going to be different than
[1:29:49]
property taxes. Now, I guess the
thing I thought about when he asked
[1:29:53]
that, Val, so did this budget, did
you budget with the existing rates
[1:29:58]
or with these proposed rates? I
budget with the existing rates.
[1:29:59]
And so we have a very
[1:30:02]
conservative budget, both revenue
side as well as expenditure side.
[1:30:05]
but I mean, we have to have the
chemicals we need to
[1:30:08]
produce the water we're using.
[1:30:10]
And so there's always a risk that
even our conservative budget and
[1:30:13]
conservative revenue rates are going
to be insufficient depending on,
[1:30:17]
you know, inflation and the nature of
the world as it is.
[1:30:21]
Uh, this 9% does address that in an
aggressive way.
[1:30:24]
The first year.
[1:30:26]
And so again, you know, if 9% is too
much uh, in one year,
[1:30:30]
it does adjust
[1:30:31]
to where next year instead of a 2 to
3% fighting inflation,
[1:30:35]
you know, we can stagger this out a
little bit.
[1:30:38]
And so I did want to put this in
front of the council for
[1:30:40]
conversation, communication, uh,
[1:30:43]
with hope that, you know, we can come
to some agreements and
[1:30:47]
represent this maybe in the next one,
[1:30:49]
uh, with a better plan that is more
digestible.
[1:30:56]
Anything else, council?
[1:31:00]
Anything from the audience?
[1:31:02]
Oh, mirror, I did have something.
[1:31:03]
Um, Val, the other thing I saw in
here, um, that I I did not
[1:31:09]
know that, um, we were talking about
till I saw the agenda,
[1:31:12]
um, on the sanitation for the, uh,
for the residential
[1:31:15]
and the business monthly rates.
[1:31:17]
Um, that there's an increase on that
as well.
[1:31:21]
And uh, that is that is not something
I recall that we talked about at all.
[1:31:26]
So the rate study was just for the
water side of things.
[1:31:31]
Uh, sanitation was not included in
that. We're going to do a
[1:31:34]
separate sanitation rate study this
fiscal year,
[1:31:37]
um, now that the utility side's done.
[1:31:41]
Now, that's going to be primarily
[1:31:43]
on like going and doing the refuse
hauling out at the landfill.
[1:31:45]
Making sure we're comparable on rates
there.
[1:31:47]
The residential and business monthly
rates here, this is for our contract.
[1:31:50]
With Republic. And so they continue
to increase their annual costs
[1:31:53]
they charge the city.
[1:31:55]
And so we're getting to where we're
upside down by about $2
[1:31:58]
per resident on that contract.
[1:32:01]
So our utility rates are have not our
our sanitation fund
[1:32:05]
is having to kind of eat those costs.
[1:32:07]
And so this is a a step to kind of
close that gap
[1:32:10]
between what Republic charges us and
what we charge the citizens.
[1:32:13]
Okay.
[1:32:14]
Um, that Republic contract, if I
remember right, um, we capped
[1:32:18]
their increases at no more than 4%
per year?
[1:32:22]
If I remember correctly?
[1:32:24]
Yes.
[1:32:25]
Okay. 4 to 5%. It may be tied to like
a um, consumer pricing index.
[1:32:31]
Okay.
[1:32:31]
Um, so yeah, I remember that's
probably been what,
[1:32:34]
two or three years ago now.
[1:32:36]
Um, how long is this current Republic
contract run?
[1:32:39]
That would be a better question
[1:32:41]
for our environmental service
director.
[1:32:43]
Okay.
[1:32:44]
And I mean, that's that's fine.
[1:32:46]
That's a that's a topic for another
time.
[1:32:48]
Um, yeah, my my thought would be
because I I see some of these
[1:32:51]
things that, um, I'm I'm not entirely
comfortable with yet.
[1:32:55]
I think maybe if we had a work
session, um, where we
[1:32:59]
could revisit the water side, uh, and
then maybe revisit
[1:33:02]
the sanitation side.
[1:33:05]
Because to me, um, what, you know, we
can talk about each
[1:33:07]
of these rates individually,
[1:33:10]
um, but what, I mean, what matters to
the end user is what are
[1:33:12]
all of the line items on my water
bill? What is the total thing add up
to?
[1:33:17]
Like, I don't care, you know, that
this this one went down 10 cents,
[1:33:19]
this one went up 10 cents, you know,
I care what is that final number
[1:33:23]
that I'm writing a check for, right?
[1:33:26]
Um, and so I I think it may be in our
best interest to look
[1:33:29]
at that and see how all of these
things together, um, are gonna
[1:33:33]
gonna impact that total bill.
[1:33:36]
Um, because that like that, I mean,
just yeah, the sanitation, that
[1:33:40]
that's one that I I didn't even know
about it until I saw
[1:33:43]
this agenda packet.
[1:33:44]
And uh, was from from my memory of
the Republic negotiations,
[1:33:49]
um, that was an increase that I I did
not expect that we were
[1:33:53]
going to have.
[1:33:56]
I don't believe we've adjusted that
rate for a few years now.
[1:34:00]
And so it's just kind of gotten to
where Republic's continuing
[1:34:02]
to increase theirs annually,
[1:34:05]
but we haven't matched that for what
we're assessing to the citizens.
[1:34:07]
Yeah. So that's why it's such a
substantial amount.
[1:34:10]
Um, I will say that on average, it's
probably going to be less
[1:34:14]
than $8 of an increase all all
considered.
[1:34:17]
The sanitation increase as well as
the rate increase for a bill
[1:34:21]
of about 5,000 gallons per month.
[1:34:24]
Okay.
[1:34:30]
Is there anything further? I'll
assume we move along to item 6E.
[1:34:38]
Receive public input regarding a
request for a zone change
[1:34:42]
from single family residential
district 3 to the light
[1:34:45]
industrial district for properties
located at block
[1:34:49]
1470, part of lot 5 and lot
[1:34:52]
6 through 14, block 1472,
[1:34:56]
lots 4 through 13 and 19 through 27.
[1:35:02]
block 1473, lot one, and the unplat-
unplated
[1:35:09]
property at blocks 1473 through 1475.
[1:35:14]
Also known as uh PIDs
[1:35:17]
27231, 27242,
[1:35:21]
34159, 34160,
[1:35:26]
51615 through 51617,
[1:35:32]
and 124265 being approximately 10.8
acres
[1:35:37]
off of G.W. Jackson Avenue and
including
[1:35:40]
2015 and 2017 G.W. Jackson Avenue.
[1:35:46]
Mr. Clayton Taylor, our city planning
[1:35:48]
and zoning manager.
[1:35:51]
Hello, good evening.
[1:35:52]
I apologize for the long title on
that.
[1:35:54]
Uh, trying to be very specific for
future reference.
[1:35:58]
So, uh, this is a zone change from
the existing
[1:36:01]
zoning of single family three
[1:36:04]
to light industrial or I1.
[1:36:08]
Uh, the applicant is requesting a
zone change
[1:36:10]
from the single family three
residential zoning district
[1:36:13]
to the light industrial zoning
district
[1:36:15]
to develop properties for parking.
[1:36:16]
It was also discussed that at some
point in the future
[1:36:18]
batch plants to supplement the
existing use at
[1:36:21]
Enterprise Precast are planned.
[1:36:24]
Uh, let's see if we have the
location.
[1:36:26]
So, uh, this is the location of the
properties.
[1:36:28]
Uh, it's a set of properties to the
west of uh,
[1:36:31]
Enterprise Precast.
[1:36:34]
off of Interstate 45 and G.W.
Jackson.
[1:36:38]
City staff have reviewed the
application and can
[1:36:41]
recommend a zone change to the I1
zoning district.
[1:36:44]
The initial request that was brought
to the Planning and Zoning Commission
[1:36:48]
on August 20th, 2026, was for a zone
change
[1:36:51]
to the heavy industrial or I2 zoning
district.
[1:36:54]
The Planning and Zoning Commission
recommended instead for a zone change
from R3 to I1,
[1:36:59]
due to the property's adjacency to a
city park, residential areas,
[1:37:04]
portions of the properties, uh, being
within the 100-year flood plain
[1:37:07]
and other permitted uses in the I2
zoning district.
[1:37:12]
not being appropriate for the area.
[1:37:14]
Uh, it's also stated that indoor
batch plants are able to be permitted
in the light industrial or I1
[1:37:19]
zoning district with a specific use
permit and will be required
[1:37:23]
before any batch plants are uh,
installed
[1:37:26]
or begin a project on these
properties.
[1:37:31]
Uh, and a parking lot is permitted
[1:37:33]
in the light industrial or I1 zoning
district.
[1:37:36]
Uh, a hydraulic study will be
required for all of the parcels
before development
[1:37:39]
is permitted due to its adjacency to
the flood plain.
[1:37:44]
Let me see if I can't have a picture
of that.
[1:37:47]
So these are the properties and
portions of them are in the flood
plain.
[1:37:51]
Uh, there are concerns that uh, any
in- uh,
[1:37:55]
installations on there and
development could have some impact to
it.
[1:38:01]
So we want uh, the city's requesting
a hydraulic study
[1:38:03]
before development's done to the
properties.
[1:38:07]
Staff have reviewed the application
and determined
[1:38:10]
that the property does meet the
requirement
[1:38:12]
for requesting a zone change.
[1:38:14]
Uh, the future land use shows this
property and the surrounding property
[1:38:17]
to be commercial center mixed
residential.
[1:38:20]
Uh, the definition of that is a
residential designation that
describes
[1:38:23]
the mixed residential fabric of
higher density
[1:38:26]
mixed use residential areas.
[1:38:28]
adjacent to major commercial nodes,
these areas are,
[1:38:32]
these are areas of new development
and land use
[1:38:34]
mix includes small lot single family,
attached single family
[1:38:37]
including townhouse and multi-family
development.
[1:38:41]
The typical residential density of
this land use classification
[1:38:45]
is five units per acre for single
family,
[1:38:46]
eight to ten for townhouse
[1:38:48]
and 15 to 20 units per acre for
multi-family.
[1:38:52]
And we have the surrounding
properties or the uh,
[1:38:55]
future land use here.
[1:38:58]
Notification letters were sent to 14
surrounding
[1:39:01]
property owners within 200 feet.
[1:39:02]
There's one approval that was left
blank beyond the approval
[1:39:05]
and zero protests have been returned.
[1:39:08]
Uh, the recommendation is to consider
the request and the applicant,
[1:39:11]
uh, is here with us if the Council
has any questions for them.
[1:39:18]
I do.
[1:39:19]
[chair moving]
[1:39:24]
Good evening. Good evening,
Councilman Justin, I am in your
precinct.
[1:39:28]
Um, so the properties, because I,
I've been through
[1:39:30]
there since I saw it on the agenda.
[1:39:34]
Um, my, I guess concern is
[1:39:39]
you guys are now going to be like
right in front of uh,
[1:39:42]
individuals' homes across the street.
[1:39:47]
And so I know that your property, um,
has concrete
[1:39:50]
and rocks and I think dirt or
something else, uh,
[1:39:54]
I guess right there in that area.
[1:39:58]
Is there going to be some type of
prevention from
[1:40:00]
like a gate or something?
[1:40:02]
like that that kind of prevents it
[1:40:04]
from going into the
[1:40:05]
across the street to the residents.
[1:40:07]
dust mitigation? Yes.
[1:40:09]
we use uh uh water trucks to mitigate
dust on our property.
[1:40:13]
Okay.
[1:40:14]
Um, have you guys
[1:40:15]
is that your fence that you guys have
[1:40:17]
already a wooden fence? Is that your
[1:40:18]
fence or is that a resident's fence?
[1:40:20]
We did. We built the uh uh privacy
[1:40:22]
fence on that side of the property at
the request of the church there.
[1:40:27]
Got you. Okay.
[1:40:30]
Um, so besides a parking lot,
[1:40:32]
what else are you wanting to do with
[1:40:34]
this property?
[1:40:35]
Currently mostly parking for uh
trucks, trailers and uh our employees
[1:40:40]
so we can continue to grow.
[1:40:48]
I guess my other issue is that like
you guys are right in the backyard of
[1:40:54]
some of these residents and
[1:40:59]
I wish that they'd kind of had more
space right there.
[1:41:04]
Um,
[1:41:07]
If I may.
[1:41:08]
Uh-huh.
[1:41:10]
Uh, I'm pretty sure the law I'm
probably going to respond to it, but
[1:41:13]
You can, I'm sorry.
[1:41:14]
Yeah, no, we uh we had one of these
properties that we purchased had
[1:41:18]
Mr. Benny lived there for uh the
first eight years that we were here.
[1:41:21]
We were great neighbors to him and he
was to us as well as we helped him
[1:41:24]
maintain his ditch line and other
things.
[1:41:27]
Uh, we've been good neighbors in the
area and plan to continue to do that.
[1:41:31]
And I know you mentioned Cton that uh
doing a hydraulic um study or
[1:41:35]
something because they're close to
the water, that's what your
[1:41:39]
Yes. We we have engaged in a an uh uh
hydrologist to do that study.
[1:41:44]
We we planned to have that within the
next 30 to 90 days.
[1:41:50]
Okay.
[1:41:53]
Shayla with going with I1 and having
to do a special use permit
[1:41:57]
that allows us to put in certain
restrictions that we may want.
[1:42:01]
So that's something we could look at
at that time.
[1:42:03]
Okay.
[1:42:06]
they had gone I2, we wouldn't have
been able to do that.
[1:42:09]
Say it again?
[1:42:10]
If they'd have gone I2, we wouldn't
have been able to do that, but since
[1:42:12]
it's I1, it requires a special use
permit that gives us the levity to
[1:42:14]
do restrictions or, you know,
whatever we want to do and try to
[1:42:17]
watch something out.
[1:42:20]
Okay.
[1:42:21]
If um, if the batch plant does come
around to being uh developed, the
[1:42:25]
council will see this again with the
set of plans as part of that specific
[1:42:29]
use permit for any any building
permits can be granted.
[1:42:33]
Yeah, the only thing I'm kind of
hesitant of is no offense because I
[1:42:37]
I I think your establishment is
great. I know what you guys do. Um,
it's just
[1:42:42]
taking away from the residential
areas right there that could
[1:42:45]
potentially be homes in our
community.
[1:42:47]
Um, that's the only thing.
[1:42:48]
But, uh if it's if it's for the good
cause, I'm I'm all for it. for
[1:42:53]
development.
[1:42:54]
But uh I just I just see it as being
we're we're changing a single family
[1:43:00]
resident area where we can
potentially build homes to
industrial, but
[1:43:07]
I'm sorry, what was your name again?
[1:43:09]
Scott Davis.
[1:43:10]
Last name? Davis.
[1:43:11]
Mr. Davis, uh just just for your
information, uh I got a call from
[1:43:14]
another uh citizen a couple of weeks
ago and said one thing I would be
[1:43:19]
looking at on a possible resolution
of things that we're we're doing for
[1:43:23]
parking lots, for industrial
properties, is instead of water
trucks,
[1:43:25]
that that might be one, but also
washed rock
[1:43:28]
or maybe crushed granite or something
to to eliminate the the dust from
[1:43:33]
every from there.
[1:43:35]
Yeah, if you come into our our main
drive, we've used crushed granite
[1:43:38]
inside the the main drive, it's more
of the parking lot where there's
heavy
[1:43:42]
uh trucks that just presses that
granite right down in and it's
[1:43:45]
worthless after a month.
[1:43:48]
Right, would wash rock work under the
heavy?
[1:43:49]
But no, it's the same thing. I mean,
that's the same thing.
[1:43:52]
We use aggregate in all of our mixes
so we're very familiar with what it
[1:43:55]
does and how how it helps.
[1:43:56]
We're using it in some of the uh
areas where it's uh long-term
mitigation
[1:44:02]
uh available, but in the other areas,
it just it just
[1:44:06]
What about asphalt millings?
[1:44:08]
That's cheap and it does cover the
dust.
[1:44:11]
Yes, but it stains our our finished
product.
[1:44:13]
Got you. Got you.
[1:44:15]
Okay.
[1:44:16]
Thank you.
[1:44:20]
Yeah, where they at is where they at
now, um, I know it's noise there, but
[1:44:25]
the the closer you move to those
homes, the louder it's going to be
[1:44:29]
for those residents.
[1:44:31]
And so that was just kind of my thing
is we got to make sure that um we are
[1:44:39]
basically being respectful and and
and helping the citizens across the
[1:44:44]
street because I don't want that dust
and stuff to go into their their
[1:44:47]
residents. So
[1:44:51]
So I guess the question I would have
on that to uh to kind of alleviate
[1:44:55]
uh someone that Shayla has brought
up. Um, I don't know what your plan
for an
[1:45:00]
entrance into that area would be,
[1:45:03]
Um, it looks like there's an entrance
there, kind of where
[1:45:06]
it says, uh, property ID 51616.
[1:45:09]
Um, would it be something where
[1:45:10]
you could, uh, could kind of minimize
the entrances where
[1:45:15]
they kind of go east on GW Jackson,
so
[1:45:17]
there's not as much in and out right
there around the residential
[1:45:20]
houses that are further west on GW
Jackson.
[1:45:23]
Yes, sir. We're done with entrances.
[1:45:24]
We've we've the second entrance there
that you're referring to.
[1:45:27]
We just had that approved
approximately three years ago
[1:45:30]
and put that entrance in and we're
done.
[1:45:32]
Okay. Yeah, we would not be moving
west with traffic in and
[1:45:35]
out of our property.
[1:45:37]
Awesome.
[1:45:38]
[chair scraping]
[1:45:41]
Thank you.
[1:45:49]
All right, let's uh move to item 6F,
Miss Rossom.
[1:45:53]
Receive public input regarding a
request for a zone change from
[1:45:58]
single family residential District 3
to
[1:46:01]
the two family residential district
for
[1:46:04]
the properties located at block 232,
lots C D E F.
[1:46:10]
Property IDs 32658, 32659,
[1:46:15]
32660,
[1:46:17]
also known as 717, 731 and 735 North
Commerce Street.
[1:46:26]
Hello again.
[1:46:27]
Uh, this is another zone change this
time from the single family
[1:46:31]
residential 3 zoning district
[1:46:32]
to uh the two family zoning district
for the purpose of in
[1:46:35]
uh developing duplexes on
[1:46:38]
three properties.
[1:46:42]
So, this is a zoning map, the
surrounding area.
[1:46:45]
Uh you can see while most of this
area uh that the property is in
[1:46:49]
uh is zoned R3.
[1:46:51]
It's kind of a uh mix of different
uses.
[1:46:54]
Even across the street, we there's
general retail.
[1:46:57]
Uh, just down the street to the
south, it becomes office and
[1:47:01]
commercial and then to the central
area and then to the north and east,
[1:47:06]
uh is light industrial or I1.
[1:47:09]
So, uh, this went to the Planning and
zoning Commission on August
[1:47:14]
20th, 2026, uh the planning and
zoning Commission
[1:47:18]
recommended that this zone change be
made.
[1:47:20]
Staff have found uh reviewed the
application and determined that the
[1:47:23]
property does meet the requirement
for requesting a zone change.
[1:47:27]
The future land use shows this
property and the surrounding
[1:47:30]
property to be core city mixed
residential,
[1:47:34]
uh, which is a special residential
designation that describes the
[1:47:37]
mixed residential fabric of most
inner city areas of Corsicana.
[1:47:42]
Inner city being the areas
immediately around the older
[1:47:45]
historic core areas of downtown and
its two flanking
[1:47:48]
uh historic neighborhoods.
[1:47:50]
The age of structures when within
this area varies and the land use
[1:47:54]
mix includes single family attached
and detached and a limited
[1:47:57]
percentage of multi-family
development.
[1:48:00]
The typical residential density of
this land use classification is
[1:48:03]
4.5 units to the acre for single
family, 8 to 10 for attached
[1:48:07]
single family, uh and 15 to 20 for
multi-family.
[1:48:13]
Notification letters were sent to 21
surrounding property owners
[1:48:16]
within 200 ft. Uh zero approvals and
zero protests
[1:48:18]
have been returned.
[1:48:21]
Uh the city is recommending that the
council consider the request.
[1:48:26]
Uh just to reiterate, this is, these
are three properties, they're
[1:48:30]
four lots but three properties, three
property IDs uh that they're
[1:48:34]
requesting be changed to 2F.
[1:48:38]
Uh they are sized appropriately for
duplexes.
[1:48:42]
This is just north of downtown uh and
east, I will or west of
[1:48:47]
the railroad and 45 business.
[1:48:53]
And the app, I believe the applicants
are here, yes, if you
[1:48:56]
have any questions for them.
[1:49:02]
I did have a couple questions for
you.
[1:49:04]
Um, first, are there any existing
properties, uh, or any existing
[1:49:07]
buildings on this property?
[1:49:10]
No, there's not. Okay.
[1:49:12]
One of them does, but it's very
dilating, so it would be upon the
[1:49:15]
state to be taken out.
[1:49:17]
Okay. That the other two aren't
vacant.
[1:49:20]
Yeah, cuz I was trying to look on
here and it it looked like there
[1:49:22]
might have been something that was
kind of old and small.
[1:49:24]
Yes. Okay.
[1:49:25]
Um, and then second, uh, how many
duplexes are you expecting to build
[1:49:28]
on this property?
[1:49:30]
Eight. You just be
[1:49:32]
Just one duplex.
[1:49:34]
Yeah. Okay.
[1:49:36]
Okay.
[1:49:38]
one for a lot.
[1:49:39]
Yeah. One one per lot.
[1:49:42]
Okay.
[1:49:43]
I will double check this, but there
are it shows three properties
[1:49:47]
but those are four separate lots.
[1:49:49]
So plat lots.
[1:49:51]
But so that could be four duplexes.
[1:49:54]
So four four duplexes total.
[1:49:57]
I know that we're just speaking for
the entity that owns the
[1:50:00]
property.
[1:50:01]
Okay. The the decision.
[1:50:03]
building it or been anything and
taking to an engineer or anything
like that.
[1:50:07]
They draw plans or going plans just
to see what it would look like and
then they got approval.
[1:50:11]
But her idea was to only build one on
it.
[1:50:14]
It is possible to have more if it was
approved and she may go that route.
[1:50:17]
But I think the idea was just to
build one.
[1:50:22]
duplex per lot.
[1:50:23]
Gotcha.
[1:50:24]
Okay.
[1:50:26]
Mayor, that's all my questions.
[1:50:29]
Anything else?
[1:50:30]
Are these one story or two story?
[1:50:32]
This one story.
[1:50:33]
two duplexes just double stock.
[1:50:36]
I believe that speaking with her,
[1:50:39]
Ma'am, uh, would you come forward,
please, ma'am?
[1:50:42]
to the podium.
[1:50:46]
I do believe in speaking with her.
[1:50:49]
She's out of the country right now,
but I do believe in speaking with
her, it was not intended to be
two-story.
[1:50:55]
I won't say 100%, but I don't think
that was the thought.
[1:50:57]
It it may go back into the depth of
the depth of the lot if allowed per
building lines, anything like that. I
don't even know if there's easements
in the front and the back.
[1:51:05]
But there was no talk with me to go
up, it was to go back and out.
[1:51:10]
Okay.
[1:51:11]
Thank you.
[1:51:13]
Anything else while we have her?
[1:51:17]
All right.
[1:51:21]
We'll move to item seven, ordinances.
[1:51:26]
Miss Rossom, would you read the
caption for item 7A?
[1:51:31]
Consider adopting the budget for
fiscal year 2027.
[1:51:36]
Do I have a motion?
[1:51:38]
Mr. Mayor, I move to approve the
budget appropriation ordinance as
presented.
[1:51:42]
Motion by Mr. Parnell, do we have a
second?
[1:51:45]
Second.
[1:51:47]
By Mr. Smith.
[1:51:51]
Any discussion?
[1:51:57]
Any discussion?
[1:51:59]
Hearing none,
[1:52:02]
call the question.
[1:52:03]
Miss Rossom, please call the roll.
[1:52:06]
Councilman Pennell.
[1:52:07]
Aye.
[1:52:08]
Councilwoman Johnson.
[1:52:10]
Aye.
[1:52:10]
Councilman Woolsey.
[1:52:12]
Aye.
[1:52:13]
Councilman Smith.
[1:52:14]
Aye.
[1:52:15]
Mayor Hill.
[1:52:16]
Aye.
[1:52:19]
The motion is approved.
[1:52:25]
Miss Rossom, would you read the
caption for 7B?
[1:52:29]
Consider ratifying the property tax
increase reflected in the fiscal year
2027 adopted budget
[1:52:36]
and acknowledging that the increase
raises more in tax revenue than the
fiscal year 2026 adopted budget.
[1:52:44]
Do I have a motion?
[1:52:46]
Mayor, I move to approve the
ordinance ratifying the property tax
rate increase reflected in the fiscal
year 2027 adopted budget and
acknowledge that it raises more in
tax revenue than the fiscal year 2026
adopted budget.
[1:52:58]
Motion by Mr. Woolsey, a second?
[1:53:03]
Second.
[1:53:05]
Second by Mr. Smith.
[1:53:07]
Any discussion?
[1:53:10]
Any discussion?
[1:53:15]
Hearing none, we'll call the
question.
[1:53:17]
Miss Rossom, please call the roll.
[1:53:20]
Councilwoman Johnson.
[1:53:21]
Aye.
[1:53:22]
Councilman Woolsey.
[1:53:23]
Aye.
[1:53:24]
Councilman Smith.
[1:53:25]
Aye.
[1:53:26]
Councilman Pennell.
[1:53:27]
Aye.
[1:53:28]
Mayor Hill.
[1:53:29]
Aye.
[1:53:31]
The motion is approved.
[1:53:36]
Miss Rossom, would you read the
caption for 7C?
[1:53:39]
Consider adopting the tax rate of
0.5208 for fiscal year 2027.
[1:53:48]
Do I have a motion?
[1:53:51]
Mr. Mayor, I move to approve the
property tax rate being increased by
the adoption of a tax rate of .5208,
which is effectively a 3.46% increase
in the tax rate.
[1:54:02]
Motion by Mr. Smith, do I have a
second?
[1:54:05]
Second.
[1:54:07]
Second by Mr. Woolsey.
[1:54:09]
Discussion, please.
[1:54:12]
Any discussion?
[1:54:16]
Any discussion?
[1:54:18]
Miss Rossom, please call the roll.
[1:54:21]
Councilman Woolsey.
[1:54:22]
Aye.
[1:54:23]
Councilman Smith.
[1:54:24]
Aye.
[1:54:24]
Councilman Pennell.
[1:54:25]
Aye.
[1:54:26]
Councilwoman Johnson.
[1:54:28]
Nay.
[1:54:29]
Mayor Hill.
[1:54:30]
Aye.
[1:54:33]
The motion is approved.
[1:54:37]
Miss Rossom, would you read the
caption for 7D?
[1:54:41]
Consider amending Chapter 13,
entitled Municipal Fees, of the City
Code of Ordinances to provide
changes, additions, and deletions of
certain fees.
[1:54:53]
Do I have a motion?
[1:54:56]
Mayor, I move to table the amendments
as shown to Chapter 13 of the City
Code of Ordinances.
[1:55:04]
Second.
[1:55:05]
Second by Mr. Smith.
[1:55:08]
Any discussion?
[1:55:11]
Any discussion?
[1:55:14]
So my my only discussion on this
would be I I think it's in probably
[1:55:19]
everyone's best interest if we sit
down and revisit all these things
[1:55:24]
and have time to talk through the
options that are available and make
[1:55:28]
sure we understand everything that's
being considered that's going to uh
[1:55:32]
I mean, to me that's going to impact
the total water bill and uh
[1:55:34]
make sure we're we're choosing the
right path forward.
[1:55:36]
And if I may a point of order, I I I
believe uh council member
[1:55:40]
Johnson erroneously voted contrary to
what she her intent on 7C.
[1:55:47]
Her intent was 7D. So I think if if
we can have, I'm not sure the
[1:55:52]
procedure, but she would like to
amend the record to reflect a vote
[1:55:55]
in favor of 7C.
[1:55:58]
I can
[1:56:00]
recall.
[1:56:01]
[laughter]
Sorry.
[1:56:03]
Mayor, I move that we recall the roll
vote on item 7C.
[1:56:08]
Thank you.
[1:56:09]
7C.
[1:56:10]
Correct. 7C, Shayla?
[1:56:12]
Yes. 7D. It's been a long meeting. It
has. Sorry.
[1:56:15]
Councilman Woolsey. I.
[1:56:18]
Councilman Smith. I.
[1:56:21]
Councilman Pennell. I.
[1:56:23]
Councilwoman Johnson. I.
[1:56:26]
Mayor Hill. I.
[1:56:32]
The motion is approved.
[1:56:35]
7D.
[1:56:37]
We have a motion by Mr. Wolsey and a
second by Mr. Smith.
[1:56:42]
Discussion, please.
[1:56:48]
Anything further than Mr. Wolsey's
comment?
[1:56:54]
Anything else?
[1:56:58]
Miss Roson, would you call the roll,
please?
[1:57:02]
Councilman Smith. I.
[1:57:06]
Councilman Pennell. I.
[1:57:08]
Councilwoman Johnson. I.
[1:57:10]
Councilman Woolsey. I.
[1:57:12]
Mayor Hill. I.
[1:57:15]
Motion is approved.
[1:57:19]
Miss Roson, uh the caption for item 7
E, please.
[1:57:25]
Receive public input regarding a
request for a zone change from single
[1:57:31]
family residential 3 to the light
industrial district for properties
[1:57:36]
located at block 1470, part of lot 5
and lot 6 through 14, block
[1:57:40]
1472, lots 4 through 13 and 19
through 27, block 1473 lot 1,
[1:57:46]
and the unplatted property at blocks
1473 through 1475.
[1:57:55]
Also known as property IDs 27231,
27242, 34159, 34160, 51615 through
[1:58:00]
51617, and 124265. Being
approximately 10.8 acres off of
[1:58:06]
GW Jackson Avenue and including 2015
and 2017 GW Jackson Avenue.
[1:58:25]
Do I have a motion?
[1:58:27]
Mayor, I move to approve a request
for zone change from the single
family
[1:58:31]
residential district 3 or R3 to the
light industrial I1 district from
[1:58:36]
properties located at block 1470,
part of lot 5, lot 6 to 14, block
[1:58:40]
1472, lots 4 through 13 and 19
through 27, block 1473, lot 1,
[1:58:46]
and the unplatted property at blocks
1473 to 1475. Call lots 1 and 2,
[1:58:51]
also known as his 27231, 27242,
34159, 34160, 51615, 51617, and
[1:58:56]
124265. Being approximately 10.8
acres off GW Jackson Avenue including
[1:59:01]
uh 2015 the 2015 and 2017 GW Jackson
Avenue.
[1:59:30]
Woo! Can you repeat that, please?
[1:59:33]
No. [laughter]
[1:59:35]
Mayor, I'd like to give Shayla the
award for reading the longest motion
[1:59:40]
I think I've ever experienced in my
time on council.
[1:59:42]
Thank you.
[1:59:44]
Do we have a second to that heroic
effort?
[1:59:47]
Second.
[1:59:48]
Second by Mr. Pennell. You get a gold
star too, sir.
[1:59:52]
Do we have any discussion?
[1:59:54]
Any discussion?
[1:59:58]
Hearing none, we'll call the
question. Miss Roson, please call the
roll.
[2:00:03]
Councilman Penell? I.
[2:00:05]
Councilwoman Johnson? I.
[2:00:06]
Councilman Woolsey? I.
[2:00:08]
Councilman Smith? I.
[2:00:10]
Mayor Hill? I.
[2:00:12]
The motion is approved.
[2:00:16]
Miss Rosson, would you read the
caption for 7F?
[2:00:22]
Receive public input regarding a
[2:00:26]
request for a zone change from
[2:00:28]
single family residential district
[2:00:31]
3 to the two family residential
district for the properties located
[2:00:36]
at block 232, lot C D E F
[2:00:38]
and property IDs 32658,
[2:00:41]
32659 and 32660, also known as
[2:00:44]
717, 731 and 735 North Commerce
Street.
[2:00:49]
Do I have a motion?
[2:00:52]
Mayor, I move to approve a request
for a zoning change
[2:00:55]
from the single-family residential
[2:00:58]
District R3 district to the two-
family residential District 2F
[2:01:00]
for the properties located at block
232, lots C, D, E and F
[2:01:04]
property IDs 32658, 32659
[2:01:07]
and 32660, also known as 717,
[2:01:12]
731 and 735 North Commerce Street.
[2:01:19]
Do I have a second?
[2:01:20]
Second.
[2:01:22]
Second, by Mr. Smith.
[2:01:24]
Any discussion?
[2:01:29]
[laughter] Other than the fact that
Mr. Woolsey had the second longest.
[2:01:34]
Congratulations.
[2:01:37]
[laughter]
[2:01:39]
Miss Rosson, would you please call
the roll?
[2:01:42]
Councilman Penell?
[2:01:44]
Say again?
[2:01:45]
Councilman Penell? I.
[2:01:47]
Councilwoman Johnson? I.
[2:01:50]
Councilman Woolsey? I.
[2:01:51]
Councilman Smith? I.
[2:01:53]
Mayor Hill? I.
[2:01:55]
And the motion is approved.
[2:02:00]
Mr. Rosson, would you read the
caption for item 8?
[2:02:06]
Consider approving, waving of a
portion of the reversionary interest
[2:02:10]
on block 508, lot 8R, also known as
1402 East 9th Avenue,
[2:02:13]
in the City of Corsicana and
authorizing execution by the Mayor
[2:02:18]
and providing for an effective date.
[2:02:25]
Plate.
[2:02:28]
To clarify, this is 8A. I'm on the
correct one, right? Okay.
[2:02:32]
Okay.
[2:02:33]
So, um, this is a, uh, resolution to
waive a portion
[2:02:38]
of liquidated, liquidated damages,
[2:02:43]
uh, from a infill lot that was on the
previous section of the program
[2:02:47]
that was, uh, done in 2021.
[2:02:52]
So, Mr. Alexis, Eloa, and you're here
with us,
[2:02:55]
and I apologize for missing your
name.
[2:02:58]
Alim Homes, uh, Investment Homes
Incorporated purchased the property
[2:03:01]
at block 508, lots, uh, nine and a
half of eight.
[2:03:06]
replat into lot 8R, uh, 1402 East 9th
Avenue,
[2:03:10]
in August, uh, on August 3rd, 2021 as
an infill lot.
[2:03:15]
Infill program is designed to
encourage timely construction of
affordable housing.
[2:03:20]
The contract for the infill lot
program includes a reversionary right
and penalty
[2:03:25]
addendum in which the buyer has six
months from the closing date to start
[2:03:29]
construction and be issued a building
permit by the City of Corsicana.
[2:03:33]
If construction is not started within
the six months,
[2:03:35]
then the seller has the right to
reacquire title to the property.
[2:03:38]
The buyer then has 18 months after
that six-month time frame assuming
[2:03:42]
a, uh, construction is started.
[2:03:45]
Uh, 18 months from the closing date
to complete the construction and
obtain
[2:03:49]
a certificate of occupancy from, uh,
[2:03:52]
for the residential structure from
the City of Corsicana.
[2:03:56]
There is a liquidated damage of $50
per day for each day that the
construction
[2:03:59]
is not complete over the 18-month
time frame.
[2:04:04]
So the history of this lot is that,
uh, the six-month deadline from the
closing
[2:04:08]
date of August 3rd, 2021 to start
construction was January 31st,
[2:04:11]
2022.
[2:04:15]
Uh, but Mr. Uoa, Uoa, Uoa?
[2:04:19]
Alex. You spelled me Alex. Alex.
[2:04:21]
, um, was granted a permit on June
13th, uh, 2024.
[2:04:27]
Construction has completed and the
certificate of occupancy was and is
[2:04:31]
able to be granted as of August 24th,
2026.
[2:04:37]
Mr. Alex would owe liquidated damages
of $64,900 due to the
[2:04:41]
1,298 days over the 18-month deadline
[2:04:46]
from the date of the closure of the
contract.
[2:04:52]
However, he should not have been
granted a permit on June 13th, 2024
[2:04:56]
due to the six-month time frame to
start construction already having
been passed.
[2:05:02]
If the 18.
[2:05:03]
18 month time frame where to be
considered the start at to start at
the time
[2:05:07]
he was granted a permit, which is
June 13th, 2024.
[2:05:10]
Uh the construction time would be 254
days over that 18-month deadline,
[2:05:16]
which would be December 13th, 2025.
[2:05:19]
and would instead owe liquidated
damages of 12,700
[2:05:23]
from the 64,900 which it currently
stands.
[2:05:27]
So the city is requesting that uh the
council consider waving
[2:05:31]
a portion of the liquidated damages
and the removal
[2:05:34]
of a portion of the reversionary
interest for the property
[2:05:38]
located at block 508 lot 8R,
[2:05:41]
1402 East 9th Avenue from $64,900 to
$12,700.
[2:05:46]
And if you have any questions for
myself or uh Alex,
[2:05:49]
uh we'd be happy to answer them.
[2:05:51]
I do. I do have because this is
actually in my precinct. Mr. Alex.
[2:05:55]
Um, my question to um, you, Clayton
is, how do we miss this? Because
[2:06:01]
I know that we started reverting lots
back, the ones who did not meet
[2:06:07]
the deadline, and so how did this
property slip through the cracks?
[2:06:11]
That's my first question.
[2:06:15]
I can't exactly say because this was
the permit was done before I
[2:06:20]
started.
[2:06:22]
And the the infill lots, the
reversions uh of lots
[2:06:25]
that have made no progress was
started.
[2:06:30]
Um, I want to say six months ago,
probably a little more.
[2:06:35]
Uh, but this, the permit was granted
in 2024, June 13th of 24.
[2:06:40]
I did not, I looked, I couldn't find
any documentation or um,
[2:06:44]
any special comments or anything as
to why a permit was
[2:06:47]
granted for this property.
[2:06:51]
Uh, I don't know if there was a
conversation that was had
[2:06:53]
that is not recorded anywhere,
[2:06:55]
but I couldn't say why a permit was
granted on this property.
[2:07:02]
Okay.
[2:07:06]
Can Mr. Alex address that? Who
granted you the permit?
[2:07:11]
And that process for receiving the
permit?
[2:07:14]
Okay, number one, thank you very
much.
[2:07:17]
Mayor Joe, everybody in the council.
[2:07:20]
Um, long history short.
[2:07:23]
I um, I was traveling quite a bit at
that moment.
[2:07:27]
I had some other folks working for
me.
[2:07:31]
And therefore, I just remember
talking to somebody uh from the city.
[2:07:37]
About the fact, um, we didn't even,
my understanding was that it was a
[2:07:41]
five-year at some point, I read on
some documents
[2:07:44]
that it was a five-year period to
build.
[2:07:51]
Nevertheless, I I last the the the
documentation that it says
[2:07:55]
anything about that.
[2:07:58]
I now noticed that I did sign a a
document that he says that it
[2:08:03]
was within 18 month that I that I had
to start uh six month
[2:08:08]
to start building and 18 month to
build it.
[2:08:12]
Long history short.
[2:08:16]
I had a a manager that was supposed
to be at the front of the project.
[2:08:24]
He miss did the project.
[2:08:28]
It is obviously it is my fault. I'm
the one who's responsible for it.
[2:08:33]
Uh, therefore, at one point back in
last year in January was when I
[2:08:38]
finally find out that uh, well,
[2:08:41]
not that I finally find out, I came
to the conclusion that I
[2:08:44]
didn't have enough money
[2:08:45]
to continue and finish the building.
[2:08:49]
At that um, because I was trying to
finish some other uh some other
[2:08:54]
projects that I had.
[2:08:58]
But I was already in contract with
some other investors over here
[2:09:04]
that we were going to do the
investment.
[2:09:08]
Because of the mismanagement of the
project, what I end up happening
[2:09:12]
was that some of the contractors
didn't do their work that's
[2:09:16]
supposed to be doing.
[2:09:19]
So I have to end that paying double
for the same job.
[2:09:23]
And as it turns out, obviously the
project went way beyond
[2:09:29]
beyond uh the the the budget.
[2:09:35]
Therefore, as it is right now, we're
in in the budget on the project
[2:09:38]
itself, we're like 20, 30,000 above
what the market price
[2:09:43]
would be for a finished house right
now.
[2:09:49]
Just the way it is.
[2:09:51]
And I know that does not nobody's
fault over here, it is all my fault.
[2:09:57]
But one of the things that I wanted
to ask you, and I know that this is
[2:10:00]
just going to be something that will
be just
[2:10:03]
on the kindness of your heart
[2:10:05]
is because these other investors over
here
[2:10:07]
they're they're really trusted me
[2:10:10]
and they're in the hole over $30,000
[2:10:14]
above the project.
[2:10:16]
and they still have to go finish
[2:10:19]
another house on on the block of 600
on E 17th Street.
[2:10:26]
Which I'm I'm already out, meaning,
[2:10:29]
I already know that I'm not making
anything.
[2:10:33]
I'm beyond all spending all my money.
[2:10:38]
If I'm asking you to be, you know, to
to consider that.
[2:10:44]
And even to go as far as even
considering lowering
[2:10:48]
or not having to pay that
[2:10:52]
is because in their case
[2:10:55]
the total amount is going to be over
100,000
[2:10:58]
that they're in the hole.
[2:11:01]
And they just hoping
[2:11:04]
to actually be able to at one point
be able to recuperate their money.
[2:11:11]
So, I don't know if that was kind of
like a long, long answer, but
[2:11:15]
I wanted to mention that.
[2:11:17]
Clayton, you mentioned that um the
revision of these
[2:11:20]
infill lots didn't start till
recently.
[2:11:25]
So, when he was in violation of
starting on time,
[2:11:30]
what was the common practice was was
the city just ignoring that
[2:11:34]
for everybody?
[2:11:36]
For lots that have not started and
maybe pulled a permit.
[2:11:42]
I'm only, I went through so the the
I'm
[2:11:47]
I didn't haven't seen
[2:11:51]
most of the lots that were in the
infill program that didn't get
[2:11:53]
executed from what I've seen
[2:11:56]
were for uh the applicant pulling
out.
[2:11:59]
I don't think I've seen any that have
had the reversionary
[2:12:02]
finalized,
[2:12:05]
um or let me take a step back from
that.
[2:12:11]
I don't know what the process was
before.
[2:12:13]
I didn't none of 'em have been uh
reverted when we started
[2:12:16]
going through the reversions.
[2:12:19]
Um it was a backlog of
[2:12:23]
not so many, I think like 12 to 15 if
I'm recalling correctly.
[2:12:27]
Uh, but I hadn't seen any
documentation on certified
[2:12:30]
letters being sent
[2:12:32]
that you were in possession of a lot
that you failed to
[2:12:36]
execute your part of the deed on or
the contract.
[2:12:41]
Clayton, let's I mean, the reality
is, uh it's difficult for us
[2:12:44]
to speak to whatever happened back
then
[2:12:47]
but we did have about a year ago, we
changed the process
[2:12:50]
and we tightened it up
[2:12:52]
and as you all know, we also changed
some of the rules
[2:12:54]
and some of our practices relative to
the infill program.
[2:12:57]
But we also understand that the
infill program's main purpose
[2:13:00]
is to get a house built.
[2:13:02]
And that's what we're really trying
to do here versus
[2:13:05]
enforcing a contract.
[2:13:07]
Uh, but our recommendation here is to
uh uh give up some of the
[2:13:12]
fines, if you will, that are there
for the purpose of speeding up
[2:13:18]
the project itself, but not all of
them.
[2:13:22]
And uh that and we are glad that you
built a house on that site.
[2:13:27]
And we hope to get more of these
infill lots filled
[2:13:31]
and we'll do, we will continue our
due diligence to tighten up
[2:13:34]
the process so that these things
don't slip through the cracks, so to
speak.
[2:13:38]
Um, Miss Alex, I will say, uh
standing in the precinct, I'm very
[2:13:41]
familiar with that house that you are
referring to.
[2:13:45]
Um, some of the disappointments
[2:13:46]
that I've seen on that property is
that
[2:13:48]
it took for code enforcement to come
out several times because
[2:13:51]
the trash that the builders had on
that property were blowing
[2:13:55]
into a property next door,
[2:13:57]
um, which is a senior citizen and
[2:14:00]
it took quite a while for them to
come and fix that.
[2:14:05]
Um, the grass, they would leave the
grass unmowed where code enforcement
[2:14:09]
has to come out and give warnings.
[2:14:11]
And so I'm all about grace because we
have given grace for these
[2:14:15]
infill lots before.
[2:14:19]
Um, what I am what I am implying is
[2:14:23]
when you want grace, you have to make
sure that you're crossing your tees
[2:14:27]
and dotting your eyes as far as
helping
[2:14:29]
keep the maintenance up, keep the
trash out.
[2:14:32]
like if to me, they whoever was
building it was leaving it for
[2:14:35]
months at a time.
[2:14:37]
Because I watched the progress of
that house.
[2:14:39]
And they would leave for months, two,
three months and then they would come
[2:14:42]
back and work on a little piece and
then they'll leave again.
[2:14:45]
And my question was, is this a
probably own lot or
[2:14:50]
That I'm I'm sorry, go ahead.
[2:14:53]
No, and then I saw it was for, you
had a for sale sign on it.
[2:14:57]
Um, and then you took the for sale
sign down and now it's a rental
[2:15:00]
property, correct?
[2:15:01]
You're putting that up as a rental.
[2:15:03]
property. And so what I was saying
[2:15:06]
if someone rent your property out,
[2:15:08]
you're probably going to make that
12,000 back in a year.
[2:15:11]
because I'm pretty I'm not.
[2:15:13]
Unless actually what happens is
[2:15:16]
I got my hard money lender over here,
[2:15:18]
who was for closing on the house last
month.
[2:15:22]
He didn't for close because that
penalty was there.
[2:15:27]
And he knew that if he for closed the
house,
[2:15:30]
and then that debt was not going to
be forgiven.
[2:15:34]
Now, I got them over here, they
trusted me on on building the house.
[2:15:40]
And again, I I agree with you.
[2:15:42]
and one of the reasons why literally
now, I have no employees.
[2:15:48]
is because part of the reason on how
they mismanage the project.
[2:15:54]
Obviously, again, it's my fault.
[2:15:56]
I'm not I'm not blaming somebody
else, okay?
[2:16:00]
And anything that you do,
[2:16:02]
forgive, I am not getting not a
penny.
[2:16:07]
My my the guys that invested with me.
[2:16:11]
They're hoping.
[2:16:14]
They're hoping that at one point down
the road,
[2:16:18]
they can at least get their money
back.
[2:16:23]
Now, him in the other hand, he
already knows.
[2:16:27]
No matter what, he's getting his his
money.
[2:16:30]
Because if he for closes on the house
right now,
[2:16:35]
he didn't, you know, the amount of
money that we paid to end that
building it.
[2:16:41]
And I'm not blaming him.
[2:16:43]
Don't give me wrong. I'm not saying
he, you know, it's something wrong
with him.
[2:16:45]
He's he's doing his business and that
that is what he's doing.
[2:16:49]
All I'm asking is for forgiveness,
not for me.
[2:16:53]
I'm already losing way over.
[2:16:56]
I'm out.
[2:16:58]
They're the ones who completely going
to lose with me.
[2:17:03]
So when I'm asking for you to forgive
me,
[2:17:06]
is not for me. I'm already out.
[2:17:09]
Meaning, I already know I'm losing.
[2:17:12]
I have lost everything.
[2:17:14]
But you know, excuse me. I'm going to
stop it just a minute.
[2:17:16]
What sort of extension do you have
from your investor that says that
[2:17:20]
he's not going to or whoever is not
going to for close?
[2:17:23]
Well, that was one of the things that
I was trying to arrange
[2:17:26]
just before we got here.
[2:17:28]
I was like, look, if you don't work
with them,
[2:17:32]
I'm going to tell them not to forgive
the loan because
[2:17:37]
you're going to get a house for less.
[2:17:41]
So, that was something that I was
talking to him and and
[2:17:44]
just before we got here, he's like,
[2:17:46]
you're treating me like a mafia guy,
you know, torturing me.
[2:17:50]
I'm like, I'm not torturing you.
[2:17:52]
I'm telling you, these guys are going
to lose their, you know,
[2:17:55]
all their investment.
[2:17:56]
All I'm asking you is to help work
with them.
[2:18:00]
And that's what I'm, you know,
basically asking you.
[2:18:03]
I'm taking 100% responsibility
[2:18:06]
and that's why I'm not making any
money on this thing.
[2:18:10]
If you were taking 100%
responsibility, you'd pay them 649.
[2:18:13]
Oh, no, I'm I'm I still going to be
paying them some.
[2:18:17]
Uh,
[2:18:20]
I think I have a bit of an issue of
of an issue of of us the city
reducing by however much
[2:18:26]
I just, you know, from 649 to 127.
[2:18:30]
So an investor can sit around and for
turn around and for close and then
[2:18:33]
make that extra money. I'm not doing
that.
[2:18:36]
So, I'm going to vote to table this
until you get some sort of agreement
[2:18:39]
with your investor that he's not
going to for close his property.
[2:18:42]
for six months, eight months,
something like that.
[2:18:45]
Thank you. problem. Thank you. Sure.
[2:18:52]
And while he's on his way to the
podium, I will say that investment
involves risk.
[2:18:58]
Truth. Investment involves risk.
[2:19:00]
And while I may have compassion on
someone losing their money on an
[2:19:03]
investment,
[2:19:05]
I'm really not crazy about passing
that on to taxpayers, the loss
[2:19:08]
on the taxpayers. I understand.
[2:19:12]
I will say the $12,000, if we were if
we would have granted you $12,000,
[2:19:18]
whoever was ringing your house out, I
know I know for sure is going to pay
[2:19:21]
that back in the first year.
[2:19:22]
So you're really not.
[2:19:24]
I mean, that somebody's paying that
that fee. I'm not for that.
[2:19:28]
Is this house for rent or for sale?
[2:19:30]
Yeah, I'm so I'm not for that.
[2:19:33]
Is this house for sale? speak up
here.
[2:19:37]
Why don't you come up first?
[2:19:40]
Sorry, I'm not trying to take
control.
[2:19:42]
So, the initial idea was to build a
home and sell it
[2:19:48]
because of all the delays, the price
increases on
[2:19:52]
not only labor, but also materials.
[2:19:57]
increased the cost of building it.
[2:20:00]
He delayed the project for too long.
[2:20:04]
We kept asking what's going on.
[2:20:07]
We never got a straight answer.
[2:20:09]
But now we're stuck with the
property.
[2:20:11]
In terms of the mowing, I've been
doing that myself.
[2:20:14]
We're not, it's me and my wife.
[2:20:16]
We're not a big company with millions
of dollars.
[2:20:20]
Can you state your name, sir?
[2:20:22]
Oh, sorry. Lenin Aguilar.
[2:20:24]
Lenin, L E N I N.
[2:20:26]
Aguilar, A G U I L A R.
[2:20:30]
And so,
[2:20:30]
are you the one that you moved
[2:20:33]
No.
[2:20:35]
No, so I'm one of the investors on
[inaudible] with Eloa to build the
home.
[2:20:41]
And so, if the Harmony lender had
foreclosed on the property,
[2:20:46]
we would have lost all the money we
put in the property.
[2:20:50]
Even after we knew there was an issue
in finishing up the house,
[2:20:55]
I took money out of my 401k to finish
the home
[2:20:58]
in order to get the occupancy code,
[2:21:01]
be able to either sell it or rent it.
[2:21:04]
We put up the sign saying coming up
soon for rent.
[2:21:08]
And I've had probably 20 calls.
[2:21:10]
And I've got their phone number saved
because
[2:21:12]
there's a need for rental properties
in that area.
[2:21:16]
We also, once we figure this property
out, we would like to finish
[2:21:21]
the other property that we invested
with him as well.
[2:21:24]
And another lot, that we're trying to
finish both of them.
[2:21:30]
And we're not going to get our money
back right away.
[2:21:32]
It won't be a year.
[2:21:33]
Even if you rent it, we're taking a
loan from a bank
[2:21:37]
to be able to pay him,
[2:21:40]
so we don't have to worry about him
foreclosing
[2:21:42]
and we take ownership of the house
and try to manage that
[2:21:45]
while we work full-time jobs.
[2:21:47]
This was not our plan from the
beginning.
[2:21:50]
It was just to build it and sell it.
[2:21:52]
[rustling]
[2:21:54]
So, when you talk about mowing,
[2:21:56]
I've been doing that myself on both
homes.
[2:21:58]
Okay.
[2:21:59]
Okay. Yeah, so trying to keep it
clean and try to, uh,
[2:22:03]
try to be ready for after this,
[2:22:07]
think the wheels start turning to try
to
[2:22:10]
get it done and either sell it or
rent it.
[2:22:13]
But I think because of how much money
we put into it,
[2:22:15]
we won't be able to sell it and get
all of our investment.
[2:22:20]
We will have to rent it.
[2:22:21]
Probably keep it for three to five
years,
[2:22:24]
and then up and see what the market
says and then maybe look at selling
it.
[2:22:30]
Okay. And who's the gentleman behind
you?
[2:22:32]
Yes.
[2:22:33]
[inaudible]
[2:22:34]
My name is Daniel Jones.
[2:22:35]
Um, I'm the uh, I originally funded
the property with uh, Mr. Eloa.
[2:22:43]
Um, I was never aware there was
another investor involved.
[2:22:46]
Uh, we we went through, we have a
promissory note,
[2:22:49]
we have a deed of trust with Mr. Eloa
is the owner of the property,
[2:22:54]
and I'm listed on the deed as a
lender.
[2:22:57]
Um, it just came to my attention
about three months ago
[2:22:59]
that there was a reversionary clause
that's
[2:23:01]
that he had a certain time to build.
[2:23:03]
I didn't know that I wasn't aware
there was a $50 a day fine.
[2:23:07]
Excuse me, sir, but can you speak
into the microphone?
[2:23:09]
We can't hear you.
[2:23:10]
Oh, sorry.
[2:23:12]
So I wasn't aware that there was a
reversionary clause
[2:23:14]
and there was a $50 a fine.
[2:23:16]
And that's why I've given Mr. Eloa
more time than I normally do
[2:23:20]
to finish the project.
[2:23:23]
And three months ago, he made me
aware
[2:23:25]
that there was an investor involved.
[2:23:27]
Um, because I was going to foreclose
because Mr. Eloa
[2:23:29]
hasn't been making his monthly
payments on the note.
[2:23:33]
So in order to help Mr. Aguilar
[2:23:36]
and also the reversionary clause that
came,
[2:23:38]
well, first before I decided to
foreclose,
[2:23:41]
I was trying to work with both
[2:23:43]
and told him if you start making
payments today,
[2:23:46]
you know, I'll postpone, I won't
foreclose.
[2:23:49]
Okay, they made one payment, then
they went two months without.
[2:23:52]
And I finally said, you know, because
this been going on for years.
[2:23:55]
Normally my loans are six months with
a three-month extension,
[2:23:59]
and I've been letting it go on for
two years.
[2:24:01]
Trying to help Mr. Eloa, and now
[2:24:04]
I was trying to help Mr. Aguilar now
that I know he's involved.
[2:24:07]
And so with the reversionary clause
with that amount of fine
[2:24:11]
and the amount of money that is owed
to me on the original loan
[2:24:15]
and the amount of money that's owed
Mr. Aguilar,
[2:24:18]
it is way upside down.
[2:24:19]
Even if you don't include the money
that's Mr. Aguilar has put
[2:24:22]
in,
[2:24:23]
which I don't I've never verified how
much that is,
[2:24:26]
the matter that he owes me plus the
$65,000 fine,
[2:24:28]
if I go to foreclosure,
[2:24:30]
that house and it's you know, it's
brand new,
[2:24:33]
but it's only a thousand something
square feet.
[2:24:35]
It's only worth 200,000.
[2:24:37]
There's more that's owed on it than,
you know, it's upside down.
[2:24:43]
And that's why with the reversionary
fine, you know,
[2:24:46]
I don't know what would happen in
foreclosure.
[2:24:49]
Uh,
[2:24:51]
if the house sells for a certain
dollar amount,
[2:24:52]
whoever picks up that house, I assume
they inherit that fine.
[2:24:57]
So Mr. Eloa, the person that's
responsible for this,
[2:25:00]
won't he won't be responsible for the
fine.
[2:25:04]
And if Mr. Oh, it wouldn't be paid at
closing. So it would be paid at
closing. So somebody's going to pay
it at closing.
[2:25:11]
Well, if it goes to foreclosure, um,
whatever the price sells for.
[2:25:18]
Right.
[2:25:19]
I I don't know. I don't know for sure
if they would know
[2:25:21]
about the fine, whoever's bidding on
the house.
[2:25:24]
Right.
[2:25:25]
What what's the status of you
[2:25:26]
being able to get another loan to pay
this man off?
[2:25:30]
Have you gotten that far? You just
mentioned it, have you gotten that
far?
[2:25:33]
He he has the loan approved.
[2:25:35]
Yeah, so
[2:25:37]
we were going to close on the
purchase on August 31st.
[2:25:42]
And that's when we found out about
what it was owed to the city.
[2:25:49]
And so we couldn't close.
[2:25:52]
The bank is waiting to hear what the
final decision is today.
[2:25:55]
to close on the house and move
forward with it and be done with it.
[2:26:01]
Okay, Mr. Panell.
[2:26:04]
I agree with you that you don't want
the taxpayers to not have a burden or
absorb whatever.
[2:26:09]
But this is a penalty, it's not
something that is costing the
taxpayers anything?
[2:26:15]
I think I still would like to table
this to get documentation from the
bank saying we will do this if the
city does whatever.
[2:26:23]
Because right now there's just a
whole bunch of excuses flying around
the room and it's been two and a
half, three years.
[2:26:28]
So,
[2:26:29]
Anybody else have anything else?
[2:26:30]
The only thing I would say about not
costing the taxpayers anything is any
lack of revenue to the city, we still
it comes from somewhere.
[2:26:38]
True.
[2:26:39]
So,
[2:26:41]
And I don't want to sit up here and
be the arbiter of these disputes, and
I don't want to set a precedent that
we're going to do this.
[2:26:46]
Right.
[2:26:47]
Right.
[2:26:48]
I do want to house, I I want to
generate some income for the city for
that property, but this is a mess.
[2:26:54]
This is what I can't count on.
[2:26:55]
and I feel inadequate making a
decision tonight based
[2:27:00]
there there's a lack of due diligence
on everybody's part here.
[2:27:04]
Yep.
[2:27:05]
And um,
[2:27:07]
So,
[2:27:10]
I support taling it.
[2:27:12]
I do too.
[2:27:13]
You support what?
[2:27:14]
Taling the the motion and not
deciding tonight.
[2:27:18]
It would be two weeks.
[2:27:19]
Next meeting will be at two weeks.
[2:27:21]
If if that's
[2:27:22]
So there'll be another hearing?
[2:27:24]
Oh, yes.
[2:27:25]
Oh, okay.
[2:27:27]
Do you have something else you'd like
to say?
[2:27:29]
Well, I mean, it's been brought to my
attention by the permitting
department that
[2:27:33]
he should have never been given, you
know, the permit to begin with,
[2:27:37]
since he didn't follow the conditions
of the contract.
[2:27:40]
Agreed.
[2:27:41]
So if that would have happened, none
of us would be in any of this mess.
[2:27:44]
I agree.
[2:27:45]
Here, so in my eyes, the city kind
dropped the ball.
[2:27:49]
And the only person that's not going
to pay is Mr. Yola.
[2:27:51]
It's either going to be Mr. Aguilar
or me as a lender that's going to end
up paying the fine.
[2:27:56]
Because the house isn't worth as much
as much as it's owed on it and and
including the fine.
[2:28:03]
Yeah.
[2:28:04]
Clayton, Sue signatures are on that
paperwork.
[2:28:06]
Yeah. On the permit.
[2:28:10]
The permit.
[2:28:12]
Um,
[2:28:24]
So I did not print out the permit.
[2:28:27]
I printed out the issued permit, but
it doesn't have signatures on it.
[2:28:31]
I can get that. We do have it in our
system, but I don't have it right
here with me.
[2:28:37]
I think I remember, but I would
rather come back and send a copy or
something like that than just guess.
[2:28:44]
Yeah, we're going to table it.
[2:28:46]
The original contract was signed
when?
[2:28:48]
2021.
[2:28:50]
Did any of you read the contract?
[2:28:53]
I mean, this is really about an
extension of time that you all wanted
in order to finish the house.
[2:29:02]
But whatever the circumstances are in
terms of your investment and your
understanding of it, it's clear on
the contract originally what
[2:29:09]
the what in fact was expected.
[2:29:13]
So it had gone two years without
being built already before, in fact,
that
[2:29:18]
whether it was wrong or right to
issue a permit, to give you more time
to finish the house.
[2:29:23]
So I don't know that the city is at
fault here, I think it's basically,
[2:29:27]
you know, that's your issue, your
investment and the risk that come
with the investment.
[2:29:33]
And we here today are really dealing
with the contract itself that's in
front of us.
[2:29:38]
and what we're willing to in fact
defer in terms of that, in terms of
that fine.
[2:29:43]
Clayton, how big is this lot?
[2:29:46]
75 by 125, I believe.
[2:29:49]
Oh, so just kind of a normal, what a
.18 acre lot or something like that.
[2:29:55]
A little wider than a standard R3.
[2:29:57]
Okay.
[2:29:58]
What's
[2:30:00]
I mean, I'm going to say this just
just just to get some resolution
because this just seems like lots of
mistakes.
[2:30:06]
were made on lots of parts and this
is a mess.
[2:30:08]
Um, to me, I would say cut this to
30,000.
[2:30:12]
that if if I am a, you know, private
seller with a lot that
[2:30:16]
size, 30 to 35 is gonna be roughly
market value.
[2:30:19]
In my mind, I would just treat that
as a market sale rather
[2:30:21]
than an infill lot and just be done
with it.
[2:30:24]
[paper rustling]
[2:30:31]
Do you wish to make a motion on that?
[2:30:33]
What what percentage completion is
the house?
[2:30:35]
I don't agree with that one.
[2:30:36]
It's it's got to it's ready to have
the CO signed,
[2:30:40]
but we wanted to bring it to the
council first to have this resolved
or some kind of discussion.
[2:30:45]
It's it's finished for all intents
and purposes.
[2:30:49]
It's had its final inspections all
done.
[2:30:51]
[paper rustling]
[2:30:55]
Now I will say um as part of that
six-month thing in the contract, the
reversionary right and penalty,
[2:31:02]
Uh if buyer does not begin the
construction within six months
[2:31:06]
of closing date, the sellers reserve
the right to require the title
[2:31:09]
uh to the property pursuant to the
special warranty deed provisions,
[2:31:12]
so on and so forth.
[2:31:15]
So the the logic behind treating the
the date of the permit
[2:31:19]
being issued as that start
[2:31:22]
and then 18 months and then $50 a day
beyond that,
[2:31:25]
is assuming that when the permit was
granted,
[2:31:29]
that extension past the six month,
the the reserving the right to
[2:31:36]
either take it or leave it, it was
left for some reason.
[2:31:43]
Can I say a motion?
[2:31:45]
That's why I'm requesting that the
fine be dropped
[2:31:48]
to 12,700 because that's 18 months
[2:31:50]
from the time that the permit was
granted and that's per the contract.
[2:31:54]
is 18 months after the permit is
contracted.
[2:31:56]
Now, it was permitted way late,
[2:31:59]
but according to the contract, it
should it's 18 months after the
permit.
[2:32:04]
that the $50 a day.
[2:32:06]
Pardon me? It's 18 months after the
closing date. After the closing date.
[2:32:11]
Well, I'm just asking that since he
shouldn't have never been granted
[2:32:14]
a permit because he waited two years
instead of what is it, three
[2:32:18]
months to start?
[2:32:18]
Six months. Since he waited two years
to start instead of six months,
[2:32:22]
that you be lenient and just and do
the 12,700 to 18 months after the
permit.
[2:32:28]
24. That's 20,600. 20,000. It's a
penalty.
[2:32:33]
Uh because basically, like I said,
the person that's going to end up
paying for this is not the person
that caused the problem.
[2:32:39]
It's going to be this investor here
or me as a lender, who we're just
finding out about this.
[2:32:44]
right when we can.
[2:32:45]
gen is the permit permitting office
required to look at what? If you get
[2:32:52]
If you wish to speak, ma'am, you have
to speak, ma'am, you have to come up
up forward and talk at the podium so
that we can hear you.
[2:32:58]
Well, and and
[2:33:00]
um someone in the audience had a very
good question: Can the council
constitutionally forgive it that?
[2:33:06]
I I don't know the answer to that.
[2:33:08]
That's a good question.
[2:33:10]
Well, then we need to we need that
answer before
[2:33:13]
Absolutely. Anything else.
Absolutely. time to one.
[2:33:16]
Did did you Anybody hear what she
said?
[2:33:18]
Can you can you restate?
[2:33:19]
constitutionally forgive it like
this?
[2:33:22]
We've had some some mowing leans and
things like that where we can
compromise
[2:33:25]
a little bit, but you need to look
carefully at whether we can just
forgive that.
[2:33:30]
I think yeah, I think I think
[2:33:31]
Mowing lanes don't have contracts.
This has a contract.
[2:33:33]
further
[2:33:34]
Mowing lanes don't have a contract,
this has a contract.
[2:33:37]
So we may be state bound to do this.
[2:33:39]
the city. You can't just forgive a
debt. It doesn't work that way.
[2:33:41]
The Constitution says you can't.
[2:33:45]
I'll make a motion to table this.
Second.
[2:33:49]
Motion been made by Mr. Smith,
seconded by Mr. Wolsey, that we table
[2:33:54]
this subject for further
consideration.
[2:33:58]
Any questions to this motion?
[2:34:03]
Nope.
[2:34:05]
call the question all in favor of
tabling the subject, please say I.
[2:34:09]
Aye.
[2:34:10]
Opposed, no.
[2:34:11]
Motion carries.
[2:34:16]
Good point. Thank you.
[2:34:19]
Clayton, if I may ask, did Planning
and Zoning see this issue?
[2:34:25]
Did the Planning and Zoning Committee
see this issue?
[2:34:30]
This uh the the the infill lot?
[2:34:33]
No, they have not. I didn't
[2:34:36]
it wasn't as far as I understand it
previous ones where debt was
[2:34:39]
forgiven on infill lots, we're not
brought to planning and zoning.
[2:34:42]
They were brought as a resolution to
City Council.
[2:34:47]
Okay.
[2:34:50]
I'd like to get a copy of that
permit, that signed permit.
[2:34:52]
I'll send that to you. Thank you.
[2:34:56]
We almost there.
[2:35:00]
there's nothing further on this
subject but due to the motion, uh
Miss Rossen, would you read the
caption for item 8B.
[2:35:07]
Consider authorizing award of bids
for water wastewater chemicals
[2:35:11]
for fiscal year 2027.
[2:35:15]
Chair recognizes Mr. Jason Beard, our
environmental services director.
[2:35:22]
Yes, good evening, Mayor and Council.
[2:35:24]
I'll bring to you tonight the
chemical bids
[2:35:27]
for the fiscal year 2027.
[2:35:29]
We did receive bids again this year.
[2:35:32]
I believe we received a good number
of qualified bids.
[2:35:36]
Uh we do have some recommendations in
here for the bids to move forward
with.
[2:35:43]
And just a note, uh fiscal year 26
chemicals cost around 1,169,000.
[2:35:49]
And this year we're looking at right
around that 1,154,000.
[2:35:56]
Uh so, kind of interesting to see
them stay a little bit flat this
year.
[2:36:01]
Um, I don't know if that's just
because they've gone up so much in
the last
[2:36:05]
five years and they're just kind of
high enough they figure or but
[2:36:08]
uh good good news for us though and
not seeing a major increase this
year.
[2:36:13]
[laughter]
[2:36:21]
Anything further, Jason?
[2:36:22]
Not unless y'all have any questions.
[2:36:24]
Any any questions?
[2:36:26]
Just thank you for all you do.
[2:36:28]
Thank you.
[2:36:30]
Not sure how you pull that off, but
well done.
[2:36:32]
[laughter]
[2:36:34]
Brief. We like this.
[2:36:36]
[laughter]
[2:36:38]
because you got them so tired that
they didn't question.
[2:36:41]
Do we have a motion?
[2:36:42]
Mayor, I move to approve award of
bids for water and wastewater
[2:36:47]
chemicals to the recommended bidders.
[2:36:48]
Motion by Mr. Woolsey. Do we have a
second?
[2:36:51]
Second.
[2:36:52]
Second by Mr. Panell.
[2:36:54]
Any further discussion?
[2:36:57]
Hearing none, all in favor, please
say I.
[2:37:00]
Aye. Aye.
[2:37:02]
Oppose no.
[2:37:03]
And the motion is approved.
[2:37:08]
Miss Rawson, the uh caption for 8C,
please.
[2:37:13]
Consider approving a development
agreement between the City of
Corsicana
[2:37:17]
and the Humane Society of Navarro
County.
[2:37:20]
Mr. Holgerson.
[2:37:22]
Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the
council. This this is a slight
revision to the
[2:37:26]
original development agreement that
extends the piece of property a
little
[2:37:29]
to the east.
[2:37:31]
Uh and it's about 7 .72 acres total.
[2:37:35]
As you recall, we had the footprint
for the building at 2500 square feet
[2:37:37]
in the beginning.
[2:37:38]
The Humane Society would like they
have some plans for future
development
[2:37:43]
that relate to their to the Humane
Society function and purpose.
[2:37:46]
And we would recommend that this
development agreement be approved.
[2:37:54]
Any questions?
[2:37:56]
Any comments for Mr. Holgerson?
[2:38:02]
Hearing none.
[2:38:05]
All in favor, please indicate by
saying I.
[2:38:08]
Oh, no. We don't make a motion. We
don't have a motion.
[2:38:10]
Mayor, I move to approve the
resolution for development agreement
[2:38:13]
with the Humane Society of Navarro
County.
[2:38:15]
Okay, here we go.
[2:38:16]
[chuckles]
Second.
[2:38:17]
Second.
[2:38:19]
Third.
[2:38:20]
[laughter]
No.
[2:38:21]
I'm going to even vote.
[2:38:22]
[laughter]
[2:38:23]
Okay.
[2:38:25]
Um, any questions for Mr. Holgerson
on his presentation?
[2:38:31]
Do we have a motion?
[2:38:35]
[laughter]
[2:38:36]
Mayor, I made the motion and Jeff
seconded.
[2:38:38]
Mr. Woolsey, Mr. Smith.
[2:38:40]
Second, Mr. Smith.
[2:38:41]
And Mr. Pennell third discussion.
[2:38:44]
Any further discussion?
[2:38:47]
All in favor, please indicate, say
again.
[2:38:50]
Uh, I.
[2:38:52]
Aye. Aye.
[2:38:54]
Oppose no.
[2:38:56]
Motion pair is approved.
[2:38:59]
Miss Rawson, the uh caption for 8D,
please.
[2:39:05]
Consider declaring a public necessity
for the acquisition of real property
[2:39:09]
along Starboard Way, authorizing the
city manager to contract
[2:39:13]
on behalf of the city.
[2:39:14]
Concerning the acquisition of real
property and authorizing eminent
[2:39:18]
domain proceedings concerning the
acquisition of real property to
obtain
[2:39:23]
a permanent easement for the
construction of a water line.
[2:39:28]
Mr. Terry Jacobson.
[2:39:30]
[laughter] I've been waiting for my
moment.
[2:39:32]
[laughter]
[2:39:35]
patiently, I might add.
[2:39:36]
[laughter]
[2:39:38]
Yeah, um, the water club development
uh subdivision sits on the will be
[2:39:42]
the northeast side of the BNSF
railroad right there.
[2:39:45]
You know, there's a new road that
goes over the railroad there.
[2:39:49]
And uh they need a water line coming
from the south to complete the proper
[2:39:53]
engineering of the water delivery
system within that subdivision.
[2:39:58]
There's probably a 100 lots there
plus or minus, something like that
[2:40:00]
Jeff, I guess.
[2:40:01]
And we have tried and tried and tried
to get an easement from
[2:40:05]
Uh
[2:40:06]
BNSF railway to just give us an
easement.
[2:40:09]
Because what we're actually taking is
[2:40:11]
100 feet long from place to place, 4
feet wide and 2 feet tall.
[2:40:17]
We're going to be about 20 feet down
below the grade of the top of the
track.
[2:40:21]
We're going to bore underneath it and
put a water line in there
[2:40:23]
so they can complete the system.
[2:40:25]
have a closed loop system, good
functioning water system.
[2:40:29]
And we worked with uh BNSF but they
what they were offering us
[2:40:31]
was just a permit or a license.
[2:40:33]
where every 25 years they would have
to we have to pay pay for
[2:40:36]
it again.
[2:40:39]
And then they offered to give us a
permanent one.
[2:40:41]
And all these costs by the way are
being passed on to the
[2:40:42]
waterfront club.
[2:40:43]
The city will ultimately bear none of
this cost.
[2:40:45]
Uh but but it's right now it's ours
but they they'll pay us back for it.
[2:40:49]
But they also other provisions in
their eight page permit and
[2:40:51]
license agreement.
[2:40:54]
like uh we have to maintain perpetual
insurance on the uh
[2:40:56]
on the easement itself.
[2:41:00]
Not not just while we're building it,
but there has to be a CGL
[2:41:02]
policy that covers that property in
perpetuity.
[2:41:06]
And that's a cost that the city
simply should not have to bear.
[2:41:10]
Because what'll happen as a practical
matter is, 40 years
[2:41:12]
from now, the waterfront club will
forget that they need to pay
[2:41:15]
for the insurance.
[2:41:17]
And if something goes wrong, it'll be
on the city.
[2:41:20]
So my advice, Jim, and I think it's
the right way to approach it is,
[2:41:23]
we'll just condemn it.
[2:41:24]
We we'll take from you what it is we
need.
[2:41:27]
and we'll it took three months of
negotiation to get to this point.
[2:41:30]
And so uh Jim authorized me to hire
an appraiser, which I did.
[2:41:35]
And we have an appraisal.
[2:41:36]
And the process requires you all to
make a finding of public
[2:41:38]
necessity.
[2:41:40]
And the public necessity is to
deliver water to the people who
[2:41:42]
live in that subdivision, very much a
public necessity.
[2:41:45]
Uh then I have to make an offer and
eventually if they don't take
[2:41:47]
the offer, then we'll go ahead and
condemn.
[2:41:50]
Um the appraisal came in, I think at
$17.
[2:41:54]
That's the that's what's overtaking
$17 worth the property.
[2:41:57]
So it's not much. They're just being
hardheaded and they just
[2:41:58]
are the big
[2:41:59]
900-pound gorilla in town and they
don't want to give us something.
[2:42:03]
So we're just going to go take it
then.
[2:42:05]
So that's what I need you all to do
is authorized uh Jim to
[2:42:07]
authorize me to send the initial and
final offer letters and
[2:42:10]
initiate eminent domain proceedings.
[2:42:14]
Any questions?
[2:42:15]
No. Sounds fine. Do what?
[2:42:17]
Any questions? Any concerns?
[2:42:20]
No, sir. Hearing none.
[2:42:24]
May we have a motion to uh to
proceed?
[2:42:27]
Mr. Mayor, I move to approve
authorizing the city manager to
[2:42:30]
proceed with acquisition of property
required for waterline.
[2:42:35]
Motion by Mr. Smith, we have a
second.
[2:42:37]
Second. Second by Mr. Woolsey.
[2:42:40]
Any further discussion?
[2:42:44]
All in favor, please indicate by
saying aye.
[2:42:46]
Aye. Opposed no.
[2:42:49]
And the motion is approved.
[2:42:54]
Next item number nine is
appointments, confirm the city
[2:42:57]
manager's appointment to the Civil
Service Commission.
[2:43:03]
Do we have a motion?
[2:43:08]
Mayor, I move to approve the city
manager's appointment as
[2:43:10]
stated.
[2:43:13]
Do we have a second?
[2:43:14]
I'll second.
[2:43:23]
Mr. manager, do you have anything
that you'd like to
[2:43:25]
comment?
[2:43:26]
Oh, uh
[2:43:27]
course, Melissa Butler is the
individual that I we nominated.
[2:43:32]
And of course she has about 27 years
of experience in the legal
[2:43:34]
field, which we think
[2:43:37]
really will work well with the Civil
Service Commission.
[2:43:39]
Uh graduate, associate degree from uh
[2:43:41]
Navarro College, a bachelor's degree
from Texas A&M.
[2:43:47]
Uh and she's got uh she'd been
working there with the district
[2:43:49]
court for about 27 years.
[2:43:55]
Do we have a motion to approve?
[2:44:02]
We have it. That was discussion.
[2:44:05]
Mr. Woolsey makes the motion, a
second by Miss Johnson.
[2:44:12]
The motion is to approve the city
manager's appointment of
[2:44:15]
Miss Butler.
[2:44:18]
All in favor, please say aye. Aye.
[2:44:21]
Opposed no.
[2:44:22]
Motion carries.
[2:44:36]
Item number 11, miscellaneous
announcements.
[2:44:39]
Uh the only thing I have is National
Library Card week is uh
[2:44:43]
uh sign up month now.
[2:44:47]
And uh if you apply for a new card or
you currently have one,
[2:44:50]
visit the library and there'll be
some prizes available.
[2:44:57]
Anything else uh council?
[2:45:00]
I just want to thank the citizens of
course of Cana. Um,
[2:45:03]
Mayor Joe, thank you, Amy, thank you
for
[2:45:06]
your hard work this weekend, the
historical, uh, the East
[2:45:11]
neighborhood historical committee did
a tour of the churches
[2:45:16]
and precinct two and it was so
amazing. Uh we met at the
[2:45:19]
Legacy Park and we walked to the
historical churches and they got
[2:45:22]
a lot of history. We got a lot of
history.
[2:45:23]
And we just want to say it was a
great out, it was a really, really,
[2:45:30]
really good um, event that was put
on. So we appreciate it.
[2:45:34]
We have people coming, we actually
had a couple uh that came from
[2:45:38]
Houston. He got up at five with his
two daughters. They saw it on
[2:45:43]
Facebook and came down and did the
tour. Come to find out he had
[2:45:46]
family that was his grand his
grandmother and his mother is from
[2:45:49]
Corcana. And what was so nice, he is
considering moving to Corcana.
[2:45:53]
I think he did. Yeah.
[2:45:55]
Anything else?
[2:45:56]
[chair squeaking]
[2:46:00]
Uh, Mr. City manager, anything?
[2:46:04]
I don't have anything, no.
[2:46:06]
Having nothing else on our agenda,
[2:46:08]
we are adjourned.
[2:46:11]
Longest meeting ever.
[2:46:12]
[laughter]
[2:46:13]
Oh Jesus.