[5:15] Everybody.

[5:22] What's going on?

[5:28] I know, and you just.

[5:33] All right. In order to find some administration,

[5:40] but Sarah went here this morning.

[5:46] That's all we will. Mister Cleveland. Present. Mister Hardin. Present.

[5:49] Mister Jones. Here. Mister Nasa is excused this morning.

[5:53] Mister Wallbower. Present. Mister McBower. Here. Mister Nasa.

[5:58] So we have four sets of minutes to report review.

[6:02] Does anybody have any correction to any of those minutes?

[6:10] Hearing on, I will stand as it rules.

[6:16] Alright, go to committee updates.

[6:20] Regional Sports Council.

[6:24] Good morning, everybody. Since our last meeting,

[6:27] I just want to give you a quick update. We did finally finish the senior games

[6:32] events. They're done. We hosted croquet, swimming,

[6:36] and power lifting over the last month. And in total, we had 1,

[6:40] 575 athletes here for senior games.

[6:44] We have a couple of upcoming events. One is the National Collegiate Baseball

[6:48] Association Fall Tournament. They've got 24 teams, I believe,

[6:52] that will be here towards the end of October.

[6:55] We're hosting the Section 3 Girls Soccer Championships at SUNY Cortland on

[7:00] November 1st. We'll have six games going on.

[7:04] there. And then we're hosting the girls New York

[7:07] State Public High School Athletic Association Girls State Soccer

[7:11] Championships in the middle of November. That takes place at Homer High School,

[7:16] Portland High School, and Dryden High School this year,

[7:19] and then hopefully the championships at SUNY Portland.

[7:24] We just finished a bid for girls lacrosse that took about 40 days to pull that

[7:29] together. And we gather everything from the hotels

[7:32] and the various venues. And I'm happy to say that we won the bid,

[7:35] so we're interesting girls.

[7:38] Three years for the state championships, yeah.

[7:42] It's important mainly because they've never played anywhere else.

[7:46] So I don't want to be the one that loses that bid.

[7:49] Hopefully whoever comes after me. Good luck.

[7:51] We're also working on a bid for the girls ice hockey regionals.

[7:55] This was something that was released and we didn't have enough time to pull the

[8:00] information together because it happened in June.

[8:04] But they sent it out for rebid. Either they didn't get enough bids or

[8:07] they didn't like the bids that they got. So they sent it out for rebid.

[8:11] And I've alerted them to the fact of working bid on this.

[8:14] Everybody seems happy about that. So I'm fairly confident this might be

[8:17] something that we'll get. It'll take place in February.

[8:20] It's only a couple of days, but it is something new and something

[8:23] different.

[8:24] for us. And it also involves the JM and Downing

[8:27] Sports Complex that we generally don't use a lot for our events.

[8:31] So it'll be a nice partnership there.

[8:35] And then one thing that we're working on, and Melanie attended a meeting with me

[8:40] not too long ago, but the pickup of hotel blocks by the TBR

[8:43] teams. We were getting some information back

[8:46] from some of the hotels that they're a little bit concerned about the pickup

[8:51] that's happening. So we're working on trying to find out.

[8:54] exactly what is going on and how we can help fix that.

[8:58] So the hotels block through the travel agent.

[9:01] They block rooms for the various tournaments this weekend,

[9:06] but the pickup isn't happening the way that they, the reservations. Yeah, yeah,

[9:11] reservations, yeah.

[9:14] So we're just trying to delve into that a little bit and kind of see what's going

[9:17] on.

[9:19] That's all I have. Wait, any questions?

[9:25] Thank you. Michelle. Good morning, everyone. Good morning.

[9:29] My junior report was provided to Miss Fishoff last week.

[9:32] We had already received it. I'm sure you will get at some point.

[9:36] So that kind of dives into everything that has been going on over the last few

[9:41] months. But over the last couple of weeks since I

[9:44] last saw you, we

[9:46] set up at Pumpkin Fest, which was for us very successful.

[9:49] We had a lot of people come to the tent. It's primarily our way of pushing the

[9:54] curiosity trail. It kind of lends to the demographic that

[9:58] comes over to the festival. But we had a lot of interest this year,

[10:02] a lot of people knowing who we were,

[10:05] and really excited about the two events that we have coming up here in the next

[10:11] couple of weeks. Speaking of those, we have our curiosity market this Sunday,

[10:16] so we are busy prepping for that. While our event is happening on Saturday

[10:21] at the vault, we've been pushing it as kind of a

[10:24] four-day curiosity.

[10:26] events with the hope in the future to make it more of this festival-like

[10:30] experience. So we've been encouraging our partners to

[10:33] put on their own events that kind of lend itself to the curiosity trail.

[10:37] So we have a center for the.

[10:41] We have, umm, the tattoo shop next door to us also

[10:44] doing an event which is great.

[10:45] They got on board but they bring in a lot of people.

[10:49] We have a couple restaurants and.

[10:52] Taking part as well. So we've been pushing that as you know,

[10:56] encouraging people to come for not just for the day, but for overnights as well.

[11:01] And then on top of that, we're also doing an event with the

[11:04] bookstore bookstore across the street from us in a couple.

[11:08] Weeks. There's a book launch happening.

[11:10] We're very popular book series and so we teamed up with them to do a book launch

[11:15] to encourage people to come to the bookstore in the morning through

[11:20] lunchtime and grab their books, which is kind of a different way to to

[11:25] get more traffic in downtown.

[11:28] And on top of that also this weekend, right after the show wraps up on Saturday,

[11:34] I'm headed to Massachusetts for a travel trade show on Sunday.

[11:38] To help push our winter activities, so the scheme snowshoeing,

[11:43] anything that we have here in Portland.

[11:46] So busy weekend coming up.

[11:50] Thank you.

[11:51] I did send that report to all.

[11:54] Any any questions that we should?

[12:02] Thank you very much.

[12:09] Directory.

[12:12] Works and I don't remember to remember 2026 budget authorized purchases,

[12:17] unleaded gas visual fuel.

[12:21] We have a motion.

[12:27] Passage.

[12:31] And item number three, authorizing agreement,

[12:33] mechanical and plumbing repair.

[12:35] I mean, that's insulation and emergency services.

[12:38] We're an emotional well. There are a second second.

[12:43] Can I leave for information?

[12:45] You're not saying why.

[12:49] OK.

[12:52] Item number four, I'll raise one.

[12:55] Move it.

[12:57] 'S 7 aye aye.

[13:05] And I don't know authorize lease hanger MH3 move it second.

[13:13] Discussion, I'll say aye, say aye.

[13:18] You want to check the number one. Do you want to have 5 digits?

[13:23] All right, so I'd like to start with.

[13:28] Senator.

[13:32] I'd like to start with the closing.

[13:34] That was something that was sent to you last week.

[13:38] There's another motion on the floor and I hope that you will have a copy of that in

[13:42] front of you.

[13:43] Do you have any copy?

[13:44] Let's see if I can get that.

[13:50] Yeah, that's fine.

[13:52] So that you can hear.

[13:55] About the transfer right now so they can share you what they've been working on

[14:00] with us for several months and some of the research.

[14:06] And actually, I'll really let Martin talk to the bulk

[14:09] of this work. But as we've talked before about,

[14:12] you know, changing the structure of how the grants

[14:15] go out and then in the county and support together the the brief program on on how

[14:20] to do that.

[14:22] So I'll let her talk through the the details of that. Thank you.

[14:26] So I think everyone has the draft comments in the packet.

[14:31] So beginning 2027 accounting will take in the administration of the tourism grant

[14:35] program and house. I'm very excited about this opportunity

[14:38] to get a more direct role in administration part of it.

[14:43] You know, our goal with putting together this

[14:46] guidance you know is taking what was working well,

[14:49] just making it more consistent.

[14:51] To the county creating more.

[14:56] There are scoring criteria, administrative processes.

[15:01] And I'll walk through some of the major changes that we did.

[15:05] So the proposed program has five funding categories.

[15:09] Each is intended As for a different type of tourism product.

[15:13] The first is destination development and community beautification,

[15:16] which supports projects that improve the visitor experience and make our community

[15:19] more attractive, accessible and welcoming.

[15:22] The second is event marketing and development,

[15:24] which focuses on the development on.

[15:27] Developing and enhancing tourism.

[15:29] Oriented events in marking those events for visitors outside of the county.

[15:33] The third is arts culture and historical tourism development,

[15:37] which supports projects that showcase our local arts, culture and history.

[15:42] Our 4th is out of county visitor market development and growth.

[15:46] This category is intended for organizations that are actively working

[15:51] to attract, grow, retain visitors from outside Portland

[15:54] County with a stronger emphasis, emphasis on visitor data.

[15:58] Marketing strategy and measurable results in our fifth category is new tourism,

[16:03] product development and tourism capital.

[16:05] This is intended for more larger, more significant projects that introduce

[16:10] a new tourism experience or make up substantial capital investment.

[16:16] Along with those categories, another change is we're also expanding

[16:20] eligibility to improve minutes for governments along with our eligible

[16:24] nonprofit organizations and community.

[16:29] Funding will vary per category, with smaller awards available for

[16:33] Community level projects and larger awards available for projects with

[16:37] greater scope and investment.

[16:41] Such as the capital improvement?

[16:46] Our application requirements will also be proportional to the size of investment,

[16:51] so smaller projects will not require as much application.

[16:57] Data, but capital projects will because it's

[17:00] larger investment.

[17:03] All applications and applications will be asked to provide, you know,

[17:07] basic organizational information, project description, a budget,

[17:11] and what they're anticipated towards. And then if it is.

[17:16] Not all categories have much required when there's larger investments being

[17:22] made, match will be required, but there is guidance in there stating.

[17:28] What magic can be have just in kind and cash are eligible?

[17:35] Another change is the application process will be all electronic.

[17:39] In working with Chris from the planning department,

[17:42] who has been phenomenal he put together.

[17:46] A system through arc GIS.

[17:49] And we're currently test running and making sure everything runs smoothly.

[17:52] It's going great and I really have to give him kudos because he's done majority

[17:57] of it.

[18:01] For review, which we'll get to, there will be a review panel consisting

[18:05] of five to seven people from the community that will determine eligibility

[18:10] independent competitiveness that are stated in the grant guidance or scoring

[18:15] criteria. There all in one to five scale.

[18:20] All applications will be scored with four common scoring criteria,

[18:24] but then each category has its own two breakout score criteria based on who are

[18:29] the projects and it just makes it fit better.

[18:33] The review panels responsibility will be to make recommendations to the

[18:38] legislature and awards will be remaining with awards will be made by the full

[18:43] legislature.

[18:46] Awards will be reimbursement based and will cover about a one year performance

[18:52] period. However, multi year agreements may be considered

[18:55] for larger projects such as the capital development.

[19:01] Quarterly reports are meant to will be required, but they're meant to be free.

[19:06] Just a few sentences just to let you know where you are on your project. Umm,

[19:09] where you stand even if no reimbursement is requested.

[19:12] Just let us know where your project is.

[19:15] And you know, I think most importantly, we wanted this.

[19:19] Grant program to be accessible to all to applicants,

[19:22] so we're hoping that's what we put forward and I'm happy to take any

[19:25] feedback or questions.

[19:28] Things like that, there's.

[19:31] There's no.

[19:32] Can I ask also, could you talk a little bit about the

[19:36] survey and did a little overview, so I?

[19:42] Been developing this. We really looked at lots of other

[19:45] counties in New York State. I think upwards of 30 some odd counties.

[19:51] To see, you know, do they run the grant program?

[19:53] What size award do they offer?

[19:56] What categories do they offer?

[19:58] What are their requirements?

[19:59] Who do they offer it to?

[20:01] So things like that.

[20:02] And so this guidance is really reflection of what we saw across New York State.

[20:08] And majority of other entities really offer smaller awards.

[20:13] We wanted to expand that though.

[20:16] We know what the investment is and we really want to see.

[20:22] New products and that was very evident when we were talking to other counties,

[20:26] is trying to get, you know, catalysts going of products.

[20:33] Yeah, I think if I recall correctly.

[20:39] That usually the top award is around 35, 000. However,

[20:43] when we look at capital or we look at development executives larger.

[20:49] Sure, my time is it close up there with 100 so.

[20:57] Correct anything else before I turn through?

[21:04] I'm going to send you now to be a distributor this year.

[21:09] So in the 27 budget looking about $300, 000 of Rans, dude. Yeah, it was 260,000.

[21:20] Mr.

[21:23] Grant awarded $300,000.

[21:30] To charity portions.

[21:35] I will be refusing myself from this discussion because I sit on the Board of

[21:39] Directors and I am the Board of Directors on the Executive Committee of that Board

[21:43] of Directors for one of the entities that receives a significant amount of tourism

[21:48] funding.

[21:49] So for that matter, right?

[21:51] For ethics reasons, deal with strong need to recuse myself

[21:54] from this discussion. And.

[21:57] Yes. So on the the approval process, there will be a committee form that I

[22:02] don't see anything in here spelling out who that committee would be with the make

[22:07] of the committee will be.

[22:12] Translation.

[22:16] Resolution. That's. That's the catalog.

[22:21] Here we go, OK.

[22:21] Well, that doesn't tell you.

[22:26] So.

[22:29] I appreciate the work, Morgan, that you put into this at there.

[22:32] There's a lot in here that I really like, but I do have a couple of of concerns or

[22:36] questions that I wanted to go through first, starting with the.

[22:40] Maximum amount and if we look at the report from the CBB on their page,

[22:46] 12 of the report we can see that some significant entities in Portland County

[22:51] like the Center for the Arts was awarded $85,000.

[22:56] Portland Repertory Theatre was awarded 55, 000 with a new caps that are in place for

[23:02] these different things like the Category 4 market development at 35,000.

[23:09] Theater the arts is going to be out $50, 000 on what they're generally have been

[23:13] expecting for support of their work.

[23:15] So I'm really worried about those caps.

[23:18] What? What went into coming up with those

[23:21] specific sorts of of numbers?

[23:24] So I think going back when we were, you know,

[23:27] going around to see what other counties were offering really the top amount was

[23:31] 35, I think.

[23:33] Two other counties that I can think of.

[23:34] One was at 15.

[23:35] That was specifically for capital.

[23:39] One was in tokens, which I think was about 100,000,

[23:43] but that was very rarely ever given out in that full amount.

[23:47] So based on what we saw from other counties,

[23:49] we try to implement that and with smaller amounts, we're hoping to, you know.

[23:53] Be able to spread it, you know, across to more entities.

[23:58] And, you know, produce more.

[24:02] Stories on things. Yeah, the 100, 000 for tourism and tokens was for

[24:06] Captain Food. Yeah, nothing.

[24:08] Propose any AUC.

[24:11] This is a competitive grant off this normally given.

[24:16] This less than R and the.

[24:23] Proactive load, I can't.

[24:24] We're going to work as well as category.

[24:27] Category 5 arrivals even growing up there are a category five or something like

[24:32] that.

[24:35] And we're happy to go after and also go after Category 4, right?

[24:41] But that's only for category 5.

[24:43] Yeah, an applicant can only accept for category

[24:46] five can only go after one category.

[24:50] And my worry, you know, we're making some significant changes and

[24:53] I appreciate we're headed in a direction.

[24:57] Yeah, but we have an existing tourism.

[25:01] You know, functioning here that we all sudden cut

[25:04] the Center for the arts $50,000.

[25:08] You know in their grants.

[25:09] I mean, that's going to have a huge impact on.

[25:12] They can't even apply for that.

[25:13] You know, if they apply for the tourism category

[25:16] for it, they can't apply for any anywhere else

[25:19] and Max they can get is 35,000.

[25:23] In product development.

[25:26] That's in different.

[25:29] Yeah, they could.

[25:30] And I, you know, I don't know what they necessarily would,

[25:32] but I, you know, I could see where we're headed over time.

[25:35] But we need to be quite draconian in in version one year one of.

[25:42] The caps that we're putting on place that other counties have,

[25:45] I don't care what necessarily other counties have or caps I care about,

[25:48] making sure that we're continuing to, you know,

[25:50] offer great service here in Portland continuing to attract.

[25:54] You know tourism.

[25:55] There's a lot in here that I like. The new new development we're bringing on

[25:59] new things, but I do worry that, you know, we're gonna some of our big organizations

[26:04] are gonna get crashed out in year one. And I think we should give them time to

[26:08] develop and.

[26:09] Cause not only is that the cab at 35,000, but they also have to match 50%.

[26:13] I mean, that's a big swing.

[26:17] 30% of advertising dollars.

[26:19] I mean, there's a lot of change all happening

[26:22] right at once, you know, within the next.

[26:25] Three months.

[26:27] To try to, you know, change these organizations that have been

[26:30] used to dealing with us in a certain way over the last decade or more.

[26:34] And I'm not saying we can't get there eventually, but we need to be quite so.

[26:42] Phistic.

[26:44] Ated investment right, and we need to.

[26:52] Have 6%.

[26:54] Growth as a matter of 2.4%.

[27:03] So I mean, I would sit back and say, are we making more investments?

[27:07] I don't know.

[27:07] I think there's a.

[27:10] Organizations created they deserve support,

[27:13] but I think our effort is to actually, hopefully create more of the learnings

[27:17] and particularly challenge those who are in the business of attracting visitors to

[27:23] look at new products and see a lot of productivity that come out of CRT more.

[27:28] Kind of brilliant. So I'm looking forward.

[27:32] So I I guess I would challenge you on that and that's all great.

[27:37] But we're asking those organizations to do that in three months,

[27:41] come up with new products, find 100% match for these new products

[27:46] and all that sort of work and we've given them now.

[27:50] Three months to to do that, I question the ability for these for any

[27:54] organization to turn that quickly.

[27:57] Just trying to figure out how they're gonna find those funds in the next three

[28:00] months.

[28:00] I'm not saying no longer term, but you know Cognizant of 2027 and

[28:05] helping these organizations get through the next year or so and then figure out

[28:10] from there, you know what new stuff we wanna do.

[28:13] It also is an RFP and an RPO is gonna get that one nonprofit.

[28:22] Replies to our people, they don't necessarily wanna get it from

[28:25] where we are.

[28:26] And yes, we have their transition, but I think that there's been this

[28:29] perception that somehow this isn't a competitive branch.

[28:34] There is no guarantee that 100.

[28:38] So you're asking us, in a way, not to be.

[28:44] And I think that's interesting.

[28:47] I mean, right?

[28:47] I mean, this is a competitive process, it has been.

[28:50] It has been a competitive process for 10 years,

[28:53] following the same sort of standards and understanding.

[28:57] And now we're jumping in. In the last minute,

[29:00] saying we're gonna switch the whole thing up in three months,

[29:04] and you gotta you gotta find a 50% match. Or if you're gonna create a new product,

[29:09] well, listen, 100% match.

[29:12] Reward at least 20% required in kind.

[29:14] Yeah, I mean that.

[29:16] I think that's a big change to ask the, you know,

[29:19] ask organizations here in Portland County.

[29:22] We've I've been supportive of the change to Oxley tax so that we can do more and I

[29:26] still believe that doing more.

[29:28] And expanding it makes a lot of sense.

[29:32] I just question the the need for.

[29:36] You know, building so fast, so quickly, umm.

[29:39] But along the same lines I do question like,

[29:41] why are we opening this up to municipalities?

[29:45] Why? Why? Why? We've got so many non profits here in

[29:48] Portland County that have looking for funds that are doing very well.

[29:51] Why do we miss calories?

[29:54] Need to get? You know high speed tax dollars.

[29:56] Why does the City of Portland need to come and ask us for actually tax when

[30:00] they already take oxygen tax inside of the city? So it like,

[30:04] why are we opening it up to these allies?

[30:06] Any municipality can fly this, and this can mean that what we're finding

[30:10] is acceptable.

[30:13] But I think some of it deals with.

[30:14] Save money.

[30:15] But they also need because I can see does deal with infrastructure.

[30:19] I think some of that has to do with.

[30:23] Revitalizing main streets.

[30:25] And that one, there's other ways to go for it.

[30:29] I don't think that they would ever apply for this, but that was, you know,

[30:34] this one.

[30:35] I do have a question.

[30:36] I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but with this, you know, committee,

[30:41] I think this is a awesome thing.

[30:44] What's your suggestion?

[30:48] Correct what?

[30:49] I said I don't.

[30:49] I'm not putting on his father ring.

[30:51] I just want to know, you know, the brainstorm wise to get us over this

[30:55] three month pump. If I can interrupt. I don't know if it alleviates most of

[30:59] your concern.

[31:00] Would it be terrible if you were one $50, 000 cap and then after that down 35?

[31:04] I mean, if that's your sticking point.

[31:08] My suggestion would be for year one or so along those same lines was I would leave

[31:14] it to the committee to decide the award amount.

[31:19] And not put a cap on it, and not necessarily even have to match

[31:22] for the first year. Give organizations the ability to kind of

[31:25] ease into this.

[31:26] Figure that out and understand that in a year in 2028.

[31:30] Now we're going to be having, you know, different set of research 'cause it's

[31:33] still gonna be a committee.

[31:35] They're still gonna be able to decide, just like the committee has always

[31:38] decided what the amount that they're gonna wore.

[31:41] And we've seen that from somebody, will apply for tax and they'll award.

[31:44] You know why sort of thing and that's fine.

[31:46] Why not leave it up to that committee to decide, at least for the first year,

[31:51] instead of having this hardened test rule?

[31:55] Michael, I think it makes scoring much more

[31:59] straightforward.

[32:00] What it is spelled out in black and white, and I I appreciate wanting to give the

[32:05] committee flexibility.

[32:07] I like the concept though.

[32:10] This, you know, this is your short on these merits, right?

[32:15] I.

[32:15] I I see what you're saying. If we were to get,

[32:17] if we were to take the CAP off, I would want it certainly on the larger

[32:21] awards. Keep the match because you know, I think that if we're gonna invest tax

[32:26] dollars, we also need to be committed to.

[32:28] Whatever we're investing in.

[32:32] OK.

[32:37] I think Mr. Harvey.

[32:45] I think he can cut the legs off of the organizations who have done more for this

[32:51] county in the last few years to bring.

[32:56] Tourism in and are still doing that.

[32:58] They've already proven themselves.

[33:00] It's just like micro enterprise.

[33:02] We might give that 35, 000 to someone who's got a new idea and

[33:06] they'll walk out on their face.

[33:08] These are organizations and CRT is not the only one that have continually

[33:14] already started new things and brought people in and they cut their legs off.

[33:22] I don't see it.

[33:24] So as I remind people, the growth rate for Frosin last year is .

[33:30] 6 and this is we already had that right.

[33:34] I mean, I understand this morning that I think we

[33:37] need to sit down and ask yourselves exactly what is going on.

[33:42] Remember the investments we're making are sure getting much better return.

[33:46] S so.

[33:49] But I think when Mr. Harding has propositional on the table

[33:53] that we should consider having known limit and Mr. Said,

[33:57] would you consider different?

[33:59] So I think that's the discussion as at the moment,

[34:03] whether it be affected $1000 limit for the first year or understanding that only.

[34:10] After.

[34:15] Try either way.

[34:17] Either way, I'm fine with all three options.

[34:19] Whatever gets this thing through.

[34:25] No.

[34:28] I'm thinking about it.

[34:30] I don't have an argument against Department's suggesting.

[34:37] So what I'm thinking the argument is it's a change the date of implementation in

[34:45] 2028, because the agencies, nonprofits time to react to it.

[34:50] I'm not against it.

[34:52] That's, I think what you were saying primarily.

[34:56] But no, primarily I'm. I'm fine with going forward with the

[34:59] program for the 2027. It's just the caps.

[35:03] For 20.72, pull those back until 2028 to give them

[35:08] time.

[35:09] It was enough changing with scoring, different category.

[35:13] There's a lot in here already.

[35:15] I would just my recommendation is just remove the caps for 2027,

[35:19] leave it to the committee to decide.

[35:23] Knowing that in 2028 when the new program comes around, there will be, you know,

[35:27] apps, this will give all the organizations,

[35:29] all the nonprofits who want to apply an opportunity to see what the full program.

[35:34] And you know, start to make adjustments through.

[35:36] That's my you still only have the 300,000. So depending on how many applications are

[35:42] put in, you still have a dispersed.

[35:45] You know, the community's always done right.

[35:47] If there's gonna be a cap. Yeah. There it is.

[35:49] There it is.

[35:50] And the committee's always decided.

[35:53] And we they can see what the guidelines generally are.

[35:56] I'm just saying, you know, it's not a professional run.

[35:59] It's well, there's 300, 000 what we've been given.

[36:04] No, we get 260.

[36:07] 26260 So we're cutting 50,260.

[36:11] We're adding. It's gonna be even more.

[36:17] So no, Catherine.

[36:22] OK.

[36:23] Thank you.

[36:25] So this year we're really having a really.

[36:31] 1000 categories. This is great to do so because there's

[36:36] some small organizations that.

[36:40] Shouldn't have gotten so necessarily to be able to introduce it, if I may though.

[36:46] That's gonna be based on the award, right?

[36:48] So if we're giving 5000 short, there's no data there's.

[36:52] But if with no cap in there category, we're giving 50,000,

[36:56] we're gonna need the data and reporting, yeah.

[37:01] And we're about to match.

[37:03] Yeah, OK. The match is still.

[37:08] So maybe instead of no, maybe instead of putting in the guidance,

[37:11] we can.

[37:14] Say expected I want to give them some expectation that you can't get $50,

[37:20] 000 with no data, OK?

[37:22] I'm fine for it. I mean, I think we don't keep the categories in

[37:25] place.

[37:26] We just don't want to have associated.

[37:29] With that, so that the committee will have to look,

[37:32] look at what we're waiting for applicants they have just the quality of those

[37:36] applications and then judge how they roll together the awards and such.

[37:42] So I mean, I think that's what we need to do, OK.

[37:45] And that the criteria would still apply.

[37:47] So if we're trying to develop, yeah, we'll have to modify it implementing the

[37:52] program.

[37:53] Yeah, you're just removing the care.

[37:54] You're just removing the cap, everything.

[38:01] Is the amount because in here on page one it says the amount is 342,000.

[38:07] Do we know what the actual amount?

[38:09] Yeah, it is.

[38:12] Yeah, 3000 you did OK.

[38:14] You should update this then to reflect really well.

[38:20] And I, yeah, I did talk about the match, but you know, in the spirit of compromise,

[38:25] the CAP was the most important. Yeah, for.

[38:30] But I did want to ask.

[38:31] Just continuing to dig through.

[38:33] Just get so I understand the specifics. So on eligibility #4,

[38:36] I've already talked about my reticence about in this book governance,

[38:40] but I I can kind of see why they would, we would want to open that up.

[38:44] It says recognize as a tax exempt under section.

[38:47] 50 C Three are there other categories of tax exemption that potentially should

[38:53] qualify?

[38:54] C3 is very specific.

[38:55] There's like five of four I'm not making exalt,

[38:58] but there are other ones that are are that we have nonprofits in Portland

[39:02] County, but they're a slightly different version

[39:05] of nonprofit.

[39:06] But there's still a not-for-profit or just not AC 3.

[39:10] The current designation.

[39:13] OK.

[39:13] So if you're saying are there other tax reservations that we could be into that

[39:19] you'll have a portable on on one, right?

[39:22] Maybe we could go back and check. Did Andrew do you?

[39:28] Have financing for that.

[39:30] I think that's my most organizations don't do donations anything besides 501C3.

[39:36] Yeah, because they have the ability to lobby

[39:39] for campaign, and I'm not looking to open it up for.

[39:43] You know, libel action, that sort of stuff.

[39:45] I just wanted to make sure that we weren't inadvertently excluded

[39:49] inadvertently excluding the chunk of our you know,

[39:52] like is family counseling potentially as a nonprofit.

[39:55] I don't know what their number definition is or others.

[39:57] Yeah, there are other numbers. And even like card bugs have a movie,

[40:02] TV bugs have them.

[40:03] I certainly wouldn't wanna. I think if I were on 3C is the way to say

[40:07] OK.

[40:07] Well, like 5O1C, fours are civic leagues.

[40:11] Local associations of employees and social welfare organizations.

[40:17] Yeah, and. And they develop, you know, trails and they do other things.

[40:21] So then again, This is why I was a little just we could

[40:24] take go back and take a look at that and just make sure that we're not potentially

[40:28] excluding a group that is interested in really helping to promote tourism or

[40:32] things like.

[40:34] The only other question I had then sorry I know keep going on.

[40:45] One applicant per section. Unless you're doing a new product.

[40:51] To get one shot at your award, is there a reason we want to limit it or?

[40:59] Potentially an organization, say, you know we want to develop a trail and

[41:03] we want to have a an event or something like that that will qualify under

[41:07] different. Is there a reason to limit it to just one

[41:11] applicant per work? Looking at what other counties did,

[41:14] there's only.

[41:15] And really, if you that offer this many categories

[41:17] and they would only allow you to apply for one.

[41:19] So just going based off that.

[41:24] OK.

[41:24] I'm willing to go forward.

[41:26] It'd be great to get some feedback as we go through this process.

[41:28] We're going to set up, you know, is that an issue?

[41:30] I mean, there was an amazing.

[41:33] Plan at the same time? Well. And you know, so we want to make sure that in May when

[41:39] they apply, they're not applying for all 5.

[41:42] Seeing which one sticks.

[41:44] Yeah, especially when you're looking at.

[41:47] All match the because now it's like you. You approve these, you actually can.

[41:52] You match it or or whatever.

[41:54] I think that's one of my confidence.

[41:56] Did that where it was one reason to one spread it and also if you give them the

[42:03] the opportunity to successfully.

[42:08] Get that done.

[42:09] You know that audio?

[42:10] And then sorry, one last point, I just wanted to look at in the payment

[42:14] reimbursement and I know we've probably done this in the past,

[42:18] but it says grant funds are provided on a reimbursement basis.

[42:24] For a new organization getting off the ground to do something.

[42:29] That, you know, could be.

[42:32] Prohibitive in how to actually like so start something to then you know,

[42:37] move something forward. If if everything has to be reimbursed.

[42:41] I know that's the general standard, but we're trying to promote new things

[42:45] for new organizations, new groups that want to do something.

[42:48] They have to have that seed money and then get reimbursed.

[42:51] And that can be doubly challenging.

[42:53] We did think about that.

[42:55] Each contract will have a different reimbursement schedule to hopefully

[42:59] alleviate that to see how frequent they are anticipating reimbursement.

[43:04] Didn't consider that as a factor.

[43:08] So another thing I'd like to put on the list for you know,

[43:11] feedback as we implement, does that preclude some organizations who

[43:16] they just can't get started and could be maybe in future years look to like make

[43:21] some adjustments like will grant a percentage upfront with a re?

[43:25] Schedule to go later or something.

[43:28] Thank you for indulging me on that one.

[43:31] So I'm just going to thank you.

[43:36] Anything else?

[43:37] People remember.

[43:41] OK, I want to go back to January please.

[43:45] And item number one, resolution designated or Review Committee

[43:49] for county administrative programs.

[43:52] Clean motion.

[43:54] One second.

[43:59] Discussion.

[44:02] So in the last whereas clause, in the third resolve clause,

[44:07] it says no elected official of Cortland County.

[44:10] My question is, is it of Cortland County, which means this body or should it be no

[44:16] elected official in Portland County precluding all elected officials across

[44:21] the county cannot participate?

[44:25] They are the oven in are two important distinctions,

[44:28] and I would suggest that it should be no elected official in Portland.

[44:32] How do you remember this connection?

[44:37] That wasn't the account, but yeah, way to do that.

[44:41] Just wanna make sure, yeah.

[44:43] And then the other question would be the term of one year.

[44:49] Seems awfully quick.

[44:52] I mean, most of these other boards that we

[44:54] established have a bit of a longer term for members of that committee to get in

[45:00] understand is there a reason we wanted to make it essentially one shot deal for one

[45:05] year moment. I think the attack was with each.

[45:08] Application.

[45:09] Period.

[45:13] But I don't think there's nothing insane people.

[45:16] There's not a standing.

[45:16] There isn't a standing room.

[45:18] Yeah. Gathered together to actually review.

[45:23] But it is kind of standing work because this is for all for a review committee,

[45:28] for any grant program, like for enterprise,

[45:31] Oxy tax and whatever else comes up.

[45:33] And then it's kind of standing to be only meet.

[45:39] A couple of times a year.

[45:40] So, similar to the Tourism Review Committee

[45:43] that was previously established when we were appointing the legislators,

[45:48] it was on the annual term and it was members of the Chamber who typically

[45:53] switch over. So it was people who had a interest in it,

[45:57] who would know what was going.

[45:59] On in the community, but may not still be in that position,

[46:03] or there may be turnover.

[46:06] So you're still gonna wait, the county administrator and grant

[46:08] administrator would take people who?

[46:11] Would have a vested interest, but may not always be the same people.

[46:15] Yeah, in the situation of same, people typically get reappointed year

[46:19] after year.

[46:21] Isn't there a little thing in there that was on the board that you?

[46:27] Yeah, they have to recuse themselves that they

[46:30] even have a interest in it.

[46:33] Yeah. So.

[46:38] I would go on that too. I think when you're on.

[46:42] Aboard you learn every year and you have a history or what didn't work and what

[46:48] they were.

[46:49] So I think ruin your terminals too short.

[46:53] For this committee, because there may be a couple of

[46:56] different committees on, because you have other grants coming that

[46:58] may have nothing to do with terrorism.

[47:00] So that's the issue.

[47:02] The issue here is to establish a grand committee process.

[47:05] It's less about being a specific committee,

[47:08] but more establishing the grant committee process.

[47:11] Why would you call members of the Community in to give us, you know,

[47:15] feedback on our rates, OK.

[47:17] So it's not necessarily this tourism, it's it's a, it's a more general.

[47:24] Can we speak to that more?

[47:25] I think you just hit it on the head of, you know we.

[47:30] I don't think it's necessarily about learning the history,

[47:32] because that process will be there.

[47:34] You know, they're really just the scoring criteria

[47:37] is there?

[47:37] They really just have to follow along.

[47:39] There's no, you know.

[47:42] Resume needed to understand how to scorn them.

[47:45] What were their? What you have in conceivably different

[47:49] could have different committees too, couldn't it?

[47:52] I mean for for different grants depending on different.

[47:56] Potentially, yeah.

[47:58] That's not what's. But that's not what's actually in the

[48:01] text of this.

[48:02] Yeah. We're establishing the Grant Review

[48:05] committee.

[48:06] Yeah, Grant review committee. It's for all grants.

[48:08] Yeah, it's a committee.

[48:10] It's not multiple communities for each different brand.

[48:12] Yeah. Yeah, no, I understand what you said.

[48:17] When I saw one year I didn't like it either.

[48:19] I think it was back that people can get reappointed, you know,

[48:23] and other big things.

[48:24] It's hard to get people commit to any of this stuff, and you know,

[48:28] people ask me to be on boards or committees and, you know, it's one year.

[48:32] Yeah, I can do that right then.

[48:33] Maybe it'll come back for another year, but.

[48:36] You start putting longer terms in there.

[48:37] It's just I I I think the one year's practical functional people can get

[48:42] replaced.

[48:45] Micro enterprise. I know the stipulations and the

[48:49] requirements of that change almost every year.

[48:53] So having the review committee not be the same may be beneficial because they may

[48:57] remember what their requirements were the year before and be looking at that and

[49:02] they're completely different because of the state changed everything.

[49:09] So the other concern bit I have here is that in the past when we've done these

[49:16] committees, the legislature has.

[49:21] Proved who's gonna be a member of those committees?

[49:23] We've had oversight.

[49:27] This is the first time for any of our committees.

[49:29] We are completely devolving our responsibility.

[49:33] We have no oversight, no responsibility as a legislature on the

[49:37] members of the committee functioning and for every other committee and group,

[49:43] we always give a point.

[49:46] And I'm worried about losing the oversight.

[49:49] I'm fine if the administrator brings forward, you know,

[49:52] does the group brings forward a slate, but us having no oversight at all on the

[49:58] committee is worrying.

[50:00] Is it's the first one where we've totally developed a responsibility,

[50:03] although they aren't only giving us recommendations on it,

[50:05] it's completely up to, I think they were worse.

[50:07] If I had two things.

[50:08] One it it was specifically worded as a committee and not a formal report.

[50:13] And that was after going through the micro enterprise guidance because that's

[50:17] stricter than our own of it does not need to be a formal report of the.

[50:23] Second thing was to try and put some distance between those that were scoring

[50:26] and then those that were approving.

[50:28] I'm fine either way.

[50:28] That is the more traditional.

[50:30] Process, but I thought was the the logic behind it

[50:33] so so then quick question for you then is would this scoring that we're having?

[50:42] What you're saying it would be a huge, great thing. We have 25 applicants,

[50:47] 30 applicants coming in here.

[50:50] Is this advisory committee?

[50:53] Are they going to pick and choose there of what they recommend,

[50:57] or are they just the scoring people and say now it's up to the legislature?

[51:02] I think they'll score each application and those that ring highest and put forth

[51:06] recommendation. That way you know there is actual a

[51:10] number attached to each application, what their score was,

[51:13] and those were the highest score are most competitive.

[51:16] They hit all the Marks and I'll be reported to the legislature.

[51:21] Just to score. Yeah, that's it.

[51:28] Right.

[51:30] It is kind of a weird thing because.

[51:34] Committee or I mean that is obviously the.

[51:39] Decisions.

[51:41] So next question.

[51:44] Hypothetically.

[51:47] If if there was something with this advisory committee that.

[51:53] Is I don't know.

[51:55] Something that we wouldn't want.

[51:58] Who releases them?

[52:00] From that committee.

[52:03] I'm just saying that there is something that.

[52:07] I'm just saying that there is something that is really wonky.

[52:11] For a committee member.

[52:13] Who is the one that people say we don't?

[52:17] You know, you're you're doing these things.

[52:20] Ethics kick in or whatever.

[52:23] We don't want you on here anymore.

[52:25] Who? Who gives that direction?

[52:28] Is that legislator?

[52:36] I didn't bring this forward.

[52:37] I didn't understand this story.

[52:40] Yes, but at the same time, the legislature oversaw the ultimate

[52:44] authority, right?

[52:45] So I think what your saying is if we find that that there's there's reason to

[52:49] question the way in which people score, do that.

[52:52] It seems to me what my understanding also is that they're only appointed for a year

[52:57] or so.

[52:58] But what happens in the year itself?

[53:01] Something's always alive. It's like.

[53:06] Then at that point I assume the counting was over.

[53:10] And yeah, it's usually our organizational is where

[53:15] we reappoint or whatever boards and.

[53:21] Just it was just curious.

[53:23] I've accused myself.

[53:24] My question is not about the the nature of of the committee itself.

[53:28] It's appointed clarification because it's a committee appointed.

[53:32] By the but whose numbers are appointed by the administrator,

[53:37] does that mean that it is subject to open meetings law,

[53:42] or does that not mean a subject totally subject OK.

[53:48] So this would be similar to what the tourism marketing group previously did,

[53:52] because the tourism marketing group only had two legislators that were appointed

[53:56] by the legislature.

[53:57] The rest of the group was not appointed by the legislature.

[54:01] It was just like the designation of the group was made-up by Members that were

[54:07] delineated.

[54:09] By the legislature.

[54:10] So it did state that two members had to be chamber members and so on and so forth.

[54:14] But the actual membership of who sat on that board did not come out of the

[54:20] legislature.

[54:22] So it's very similar to that.

[54:25] And then the full recommendation came forward to the legislature.

[54:29] The legislature.

[54:30] Had all of the list, the applications, everything.

[54:33] If you don't like what comes forward, you can always on the floor of the

[54:37] legislature and say no, I don't like that choice.

[54:40] We're gonna switch this out.

[54:41] We're gonna award this, like, change it all out.

[54:44] Very similar to.

[54:49] Without ideas and the legislators setting themselves.

[54:55] I'm feeling more comfortable going forward as long as we are sure that no

[55:01] elected official in Portland can.

[55:04] Appreciate the explanations and and I do think that the final the 2nd to the final

[55:10] result was covers it.

[55:11] Which means any recommendations, as they always do.

[55:15] Yeah, it finally has to come to the legendary

[55:17] report.

[55:17] So that is our final oversight.

[55:19] So so I do have one last question. Yes.

[55:22] Is when you're talking. This. Does this have to go through committee?

[55:29] For when the board brings it over.

[55:33] Or does this? Or does that go directly to the full

[55:36] Ledger?

[55:37] Can we assume it is there committee?

[55:43] Meeting last.

[55:43] Yeah, they work OK.

[55:44] So there's this.

[55:44] There wouldn't, but so they can.

[55:47] The only reason why I'm saying is because that's the first the 1st.

[55:50] That's all I'm saying. Yup.

[55:52] Finance has occupancy tax in the rolls of water within both concepts, so yes, OK.

[56:06] Any other second. Any other questions?

[56:10] OK.

[56:11] Don't say aye, all right.

[56:14] Next, I'm nay only because it's too, Greg.

[56:17] Now we're not ready. People know ahead of time.

[56:19] I would be a yes if we were going to put it in for 20 instead of.

[56:26] 20 minutes if we wanted it to motion carries.

[56:32] Yeah.

[56:34] When we move on to other discussions.

[56:40] Yes, and you mentioned.

[56:44] Good morning.

[56:44] Morning, everybody. Happy.

[56:48] Reports in the packet just to highlight, worked with village of McGraw and his

[56:53] customer to put in an application through ESC Environmental Facilities Corporation

[56:58] for an inquiry infiltration Engineering planning grant.

[57:01] And we were just awarded that. So I'll be working.

[57:04] With bills, McGraw get that message. Currently,

[57:07] we're going through the contract process, but very excited.

[57:11] We have some updated infrastructure trying to figure out some problems with

[57:14] that and hopefully for future investment in the future.

[57:18] If anyone has any questions, any questions.

[57:21] So just a couple of questions on your the report here, the $100,

[57:26] 000 through the ARC for the additional laser pitch licenses we heard from.

[57:33] Paul.

[57:34] In public works that one of the positions that he had been looking to bring forward

[57:39] had been to help with efficiencies for the county clerk's office to manage some

[57:44] of those things. Is this $100, 000 grant tied to his hiring request?

[57:48] That is not on.

[57:49] This was primarily for licenses on scanners and training,

[57:53] so it says it's just the software.

[57:55] It's not actually OK the other one.

[57:58] I had a question on was the.

[58:01] The nearly $1,000,000 awarded.

[58:04] Through the Department of State, Local Government efficiency grant program

[58:08] for a county run ambulance service is that did that $1,000,

[58:12] 000 come forward correct?

[58:13] We were.

[58:14] We were awarded it.

[58:15] We still haven't received a contract though or anything.

[58:19] And what are the 'cause? I hadn't heard anything on the same

[58:22] holding pattern. We we got a letter with no contract.

[58:27] And so that'll be a budget item.

[58:31] Post budget but yeah.

[58:33] I'm sorry if I if I remember correctly that contract is not due until.

[58:38] Sometime in the first quarter, Department of State has been really

[58:41] behind under contracts, you know, working on a different grant with them.

[58:44] They took about nine months to send out a contract,

[58:47] so we just got awarded maybe a month or two ago.

[58:50] I can't remember the timeline, so he's still allowed to leave them, OK?

[58:55] Thanks Lynn.

[58:55] And then in the grants submitted your second to last one here says the

[58:59] application submitted for the Empire State Development Feasibility study.

[59:04] Grant program for the county owns 74 parcel 74 acre parcel in Burlingville.

[59:08] Could you talk to that a little bit?

[59:10] So the capital's 74 acres.

[59:15] Tractor supply, I believe.

[59:18] Nothing is there currently, so we just put in for a grant to,

[59:22] you know, determine possible future investments in

[59:25] it.

[59:25] There was no.

[59:29] We're curious to see what'll come back as what could be done with that land.

[59:33] That was part of the CFA process. We probably won't hear about that until

[59:37] December time or so, but that was about 100,000 I believe.

[59:40] Just for OK, I just wanted to point in that,

[59:43] did you were you able to utilize the forestry study from soil and water that

[59:48] had been conducted on that property a couple of years ago?

[59:51] I did not put that in the grant application,

[59:54] but I'm sure when we go out for bid for consultant that would be useful for them.

[59:59] OK. Because we you know the forestry had

[1:00:01] identified that there was a unique area up there in the the Canyon and stuff that

[1:00:06] we couldn't do a whole lot with because it was protected land.

[1:00:10] So as long as we had that, all right. Thank you.

[1:00:13] A few questions for me. Thank you.

[1:00:17] You've been busy.

[1:00:18] It's looking great.

[1:00:20] First question, when you put grants awarded in here and

[1:00:23] and you put submitted in here, do you put them in any particular?

[1:00:27] I'm trying to figure out is there any particular order to how you list them.

[1:00:31] Also heard chronological order.

[1:00:33] Just 'cause I add on to it work but also I'm sure there's some overlap somewhere.

[1:00:39] OK, so with the arc grant for your position

[1:00:42] here is that a new one?

[1:00:44] That's not what I that is.

[1:00:45] That's closed out.

[1:00:46] That was back.

[1:00:47] We got awarded that in 2024. OK, but grants, you know,

[1:00:51] they take all points of 6 to 9 almost a year to get awarded.

[1:00:55] Implementation can take longer.

[1:00:58] Up to a year or so, depending on what your prior performance

[1:01:00] is.

[1:01:01] And then the closeout takes Miller few months.

[1:01:03] And so that's the vision that goes out and same thing with the lifeguard.

[1:01:08] Yes, that is officially closed out now with

[1:01:11] another 1 from 2024, but I've just recently got this out and

[1:01:15] can you provide an update as to the Harbor Brook Flats infrastructure?

[1:01:20] Cranford village.

[1:01:21] Please. Yes, we're very excited and very stage

[1:01:25] development awarded us $1,000, 000 in for our project for our class and

[1:01:29] their water tank in the village homework.

[1:01:32] Mm-hmm. That was about a month ago.

[1:01:34] We're working with Homer.

[1:01:35] We've met with him several times.

[1:01:36] We're working with ESD to get the contracts and everything in place for

[1:01:40] that, but I know they are jumping up a bit to

[1:01:42] get their project started.

[1:01:45] Meeting with their consultants.

[1:01:46] All that fun stuff and I know Arbor Brook Flats I think is currently building their

[1:01:51] model.

[1:01:52] Home. But we're looking to help, you know, with all their infrastructure,

[1:01:55] they leave there. So very excited.

[1:01:57] Good. Thank you.

[1:01:57] Yeah, I'd like to come in on my name and the

[1:02:01] great work they did on that project.

[1:02:05] It was $1,000, 000 and it really was a cost.

[1:02:08] Be able to find that to work so.

[1:02:14] I I heard the word lifeguard. Yes. Thank you.

[1:02:17] I think it was maybe a year ago.

[1:02:20] I know some lifeguards and they never got that money from the city.

[1:02:23] And I'm wondering if we ever checked that or find out what's going on. I mean,

[1:02:27] I I know some kids, right?

[1:02:28] They so the city. It was reversible process.

[1:02:31] So the city was had paid them and then they got reimbursed from the county.

[1:02:39] We have all the documentation for that. Thanks.

[1:02:44] This one. Are you talking back to the 72 acres?

[1:02:46] It's not in any way to preclude a jail.

[1:02:49] It's just recognizing that the jail did not need that entire.

[1:02:52] Awesome. Thank you. Yes.

[1:02:57] Morgan. Sorry. One last question of the future Ready

[1:02:59] Workforce Initiative Innovation Consortium grant application with

[1:03:03] workforce development. How much was that grant?

[1:03:06] And can you give a little bit more detail on that?

[1:03:09] I believe that was only 10, 000 and I know Amy's here.

[1:03:11] I worked with Amy on it.

[1:03:12] If she you're more than welcome to do more.

[1:03:13] It was.

[1:03:14] It was originally 10,000, but we were awarded 1.

[1:03:18] It's from Micron and Center space CEO push 503,

[1:03:22] four workforce areas that applied for that money.

[1:03:28] So this moves up to the awarded column next year.

[1:03:32] Yeah. Excellent. And congratulations.

[1:03:34] Thank you.

[1:03:36] Any other questions?

[1:03:40] Thank you.

[1:03:40] Our next capital improvement plan.

[1:03:44] So one of the things that we set out to do when I talked about some public works

[1:03:48] was to ensure that we had a multi year capital improvement plan.

[1:03:52] This was an initiative we started almost a year ago now where we establish

[1:03:57] administrative committees, one of them involving or that Charlie

[1:04:01] chaired and as part of that committee's work,

[1:04:04] he did building assessments throughout the county. And then that pulmonary,

[1:04:09] where do we need to ensure that?

[1:04:11] We're setting aside future money, making future investments.

[1:04:14] In our infrastructure, so administratively we're putting forward

[1:04:18] to what what we believe is a a you know our multi year capital plan,

[1:04:23] the this month is for discussion at public works and here and then next month

[1:04:28] that we put forward as a resolution for adoption the legislature can.

[1:04:33] Make changes.

[1:04:33] Let me know what they are and we'll we'll get them into the plan.

[1:04:37] It's also in digital format, right, so we're not.

[1:04:40] Issuing a paper book on this. This will be very similar to.

[1:04:43] How it's the same software that will produce the budget book for this year and

[1:04:47] then next year when we do fundamental reporting.

[1:04:50] So you all should have a a URL related to it.

[1:04:54] And then when Savannah has up here is what this this looks like.

[1:04:56] So if you could click on the one year plan, I'll just highlight a few things.

[1:05:00] So in 2027, there's a recommendation of a little over

[1:05:04] 7. 7 million in capital improvement as you

[1:05:08] scroll and you can highlight different parts of this.

[1:05:12] It will tell you. OK, where is this coming from?

[1:05:14] What's our local share?

[1:05:15] So our local share part of that is is 1. 7 million.

[1:05:19] The majority of that you know is is other funding,

[1:05:23] which in this case because 2027 would include.

[1:05:27] The the heats for the courthouse.

[1:05:30] Other funding would be categorized as bonding.

[1:05:33] That's this is the only year we see that we do very little bonding.

[1:05:37] So so if you don't mind to continue to scroll a little bit and then it tells you

[1:05:41] you know it gives you different groups of what they are, the vast majority.

[1:05:45] It's like always gonna be grounds, right?

[1:05:47] They are the capital intensive department.

[1:05:50] So umm and then below it'll give you the individual, umm,

[1:05:55] projects and it'll allow you to to click on one. If you'd picked that one.

[1:06:02] Doesn't cover. Isn't pretty pictures, but.

[1:06:06] So.

[1:06:09] Yeah, that's it.

[1:06:10] Yeah. So right.

[1:06:11] So it's gonna tell you, OK, everything about that individual project

[1:06:15] is gonna give you a description of its location.

[1:06:18] It's gonna give you some pictures of what current conditions are.

[1:06:21] If there's future renderings and.

[1:06:25] And then talk about how it's being funded on the left.

[1:06:29] Then, if you don't mind the multigraph plan

[1:06:31] please.

[1:06:32] So then when we look at a multi year, we're taking the plan out to 2031 and

[1:06:37] saying OK, this is where our future investments are

[1:06:41] expected to be. As we look out into the future.

[1:06:44] Could you scroll a little?

[1:06:47] Gives you again by department. Gives you the the funding source and then

[1:06:51] keep going.

[1:06:52] It should list all of the individual projects by year.

[1:06:55] Nope, I'm making that up.

[1:06:58] Please Scroll down the left.

[1:07:04] Yeah. And then it gives you this different menu,

[1:07:06] you know, different options of way of showing the

[1:07:09] data, so.

[1:07:11] But it will tell you what you're expecting to find and give you

[1:07:14] information about it.

[1:07:15] So I don't want to click through everything,

[1:07:18] but you should be able to to go through this.

[1:07:21] Bo has a really good question that we're finding out at public works about if we

[1:07:26] can get a menu built by facility or by address.

[1:07:28] So you know what?

[1:07:29] You're investing in each location.

[1:07:32] So we've taken that back to to ask that question,

[1:07:35] but so this is the the multi year capital plan we you know next month expect to put

[1:07:41] it in as a resolution but certainly want feedback between now and then we need to

[1:07:46] change anything. So before I bring.

[1:07:49] More detail.

[1:07:52] For this, as long as I know.

[1:07:55] Literally the number, yeah.

[1:07:58] I'm now here you have it.

[1:07:59] Not only here.

[1:08:01] Thank you, chair.

[1:08:03] As part of the budget process, and that's really.

[1:08:13] All that I know, the county has wanted to do something

[1:08:17] with us for literally, for decades.

[1:08:19] Yeah, we got this talk about all the time and

[1:08:22] I'd say not only is it happy, but it's say priority is my attention

[1:08:27] beautiful.

[1:08:27] Well done. Thank you.

[1:08:28] Thank you.

[1:08:31] Just a reminder, the plan is not appropriate funds that

[1:08:33] happens to the actual budget process, right?

[1:08:37] Now we.

[1:08:40] Want to add it?

[1:08:44] All right, there we move on.

[1:08:51] OK.

[1:08:54] Steve, would you like to report?

[1:08:58] Yeah, go ahead. Good morning.

[1:09:01] So, as discussed last year, when they're working on a bunch of Labor

[1:09:05] contract and overall benchmarking and county ranks on a high end for employee

[1:09:09] benefits expenditures per capita.

[1:09:13] For the 36 counties for the population between 30 and 125,

[1:09:17] 000 for only have the ninth highest wait at Pittsburgh and then for a smaller

[1:09:21] subset, counties closer population had their

[1:09:24] highest highest spending out of those 13 counties.

[1:09:29] After we looked at those figures last year, this committee had asked, you know,

[1:09:33] what are the drivers that are resulting in Portland generally being on that

[1:09:37] higher end?

[1:09:39] When it comes to spending on health insurance,

[1:09:41] so my goal with this benchmarking analysis was to identify some of those

[1:09:44] factors.

[1:09:46] Retiree health insurance certainly factors into these figures that we looked

[1:09:51] at that benchmark last month and then this report.

[1:09:53] I included a report on health benefits for active employees.

[1:09:59] This benchmarking comparison is again include all contiguous counties,

[1:10:03] and then I also included Allegheny, Livingston counties as well.

[1:10:08] As a bit of background, the county has two health insurance plans

[1:10:11] for active employees.

[1:10:13] The traditional plan is the PPO plan.

[1:10:17] The implementation date for the PPO plan varies a bit by labor contract,

[1:10:22] but for the General Union employees hired after January 1, 2020.

[1:10:28] I'm over the PPO plan and they elect to participate in county health insurance.

[1:10:34] And then in general, both plans for both plans employees pay

[1:10:38] 20% of premiums and counties pays 80%.

[1:10:43] In comparing Cortland to these other counties,

[1:10:46] several similarities were noted similar to Cortland,

[1:10:49] majority of counties are self insured when it comes to health benefits for

[1:10:54] active employees.

[1:10:55] And Appl plans a fairly common offering as well.

[1:11:00] The split of premiums between employees share and town share is in line with that

[1:11:05] of other counties.

[1:11:06] The range for employee share was generally between 10 and 25% when again

[1:11:12] cortland's at 20%.

[1:11:15] And then additionally, when looking at the annual premiums for

[1:11:18] both individual or family coverage, Portland's annual premiums were

[1:11:21] relatively in line with that of other counties.

[1:11:24] Is in situations in which the plan structures were similar to that of port.

[1:11:30] Those are the key similarities under my office.

[1:11:33] Notice some some differences as well.

[1:11:36] First of all, the annual DEDUCTABLES and how to pocket

[1:11:39] maximums that employees are responsible for for Portland's plans are generally on

[1:11:44] the lower end compared to that of other counties.

[1:11:48] For example, family coverage under Cortland's

[1:11:51] traditional plan, the annual deductible.

[1:11:53] $300. 00 and we out of pocket maximum is 1500.

[1:11:58] And then these figures are higher for for corpor.

[1:12:02] Ate counties are around that same same range as Cortland.

[1:12:06] Some do have annual deductables in out of pocket maximum maximums,

[1:12:10] which are significantly higher than in four months.

[1:12:16] Another finding was that many counties have implemented high deductible plans,

[1:12:20] either as the only insurance provided or as an optional plan available to

[1:12:24] employees.

[1:12:25] These plans come significantly higher deductibles and out of pocket maximums

[1:12:29] compared to the structure of the traditional EPO plans.

[1:12:33] Counties will typically pair these with either an HSA or HRA.

[1:12:39] The next two differences noted with that the majority of other counties offer

[1:12:43] employees an annual stipend.

[1:12:46] For declining health insurance coverage, but this this is not something that's

[1:12:50] written into any of Portland's labor agreements.

[1:12:54] And also majority of Portland's employees are eligible to annually convert up to

[1:12:59] five vacation days to be used to pay for a vacation premiums.

[1:13:02] And I did not know this in the waiver agreements for any of the other counties

[1:13:07] reviewed, and then for part time employees some.

[1:13:10] Other counties do have separate rate structure for for part time employees.

[1:13:14] Which report does not?

[1:13:17] And then also Portland's management plan is fairly unique.

[1:13:21] And then in that there's no minimum level hours to be eligible for the county

[1:13:25] health insurance under that plan.

[1:13:29] And then when it comes to family coverage, Portland's family coverage has the same

[1:13:34] cost share percentage as individual coverage. But again,

[1:13:37] employees being responsible for 20% and accounting for 80,

[1:13:41] while some other counties are structured similarly.

[1:13:44] It's not uncommon for other counties to require a higher employee share of her

[1:13:50] spouse independent coverage.

[1:13:54] You know, certainly been able to kind of gather a

[1:13:56] significant amount of underlying data on this for obviously for Portland,

[1:14:00] but also for these other counties.

[1:14:01] And this is just kind of a summary of, you know what was included in the package

[1:14:06] A and this discussion is kind of summary.

[1:14:08] It shows overall findings.

[1:14:13] Comments or questions?

[1:14:16] Did you look at the actual number of employees that recruit were part of that

[1:14:21] cost or are you comparing it purely on per capita?

[1:14:25] Because this is these expenses aren't driven by per capita,

[1:14:29] they're driven by the number of employees that we compared like with employees.

[1:14:37] Yeah, I mean, I I don't even think I had per capita

[1:14:41] data in this one.

[1:14:42] It was more just.

[1:14:44] You know, whatever the annual.

[1:14:47] Mediums, as far as you know.

[1:14:49] How exciting compared to some of these other counties and we were pretty well in

[1:14:54] line as far as counties that had so much structure. Ours,

[1:14:58] our costs were very similar.

[1:15:02] But then some counties are exclusively or offer high deductible plan,

[1:15:06] optional plan and those premiums are generally less than other important plans.

[1:15:13] No, I didn't necessarily look at the number

[1:15:16] of employees participating in health insurance in our county versus.

[1:15:36] So you have anything else to report on the ordering?

[1:15:40] Just a few other things working on the working on updating.

[1:15:45] Accounting purchasing policy that should hopefully be coming in the next month or

[1:15:49] two here with.

[1:15:53] Full scale revite but but some significant, you know,

[1:15:56] tweets to their current policy.

[1:15:59] Assign Council have been working on that for a while and working on formally

[1:16:03] writing over a report on that.

[1:16:05] No findings.

[1:16:10] Going around meet with departments as far as some of the grants that each

[1:16:15] department receives and kind of what their processes are at the department

[1:16:19] level. And then also the county's role processes.

[1:16:22] So continue to work on that and then this month I'll be sending out notices to

[1:16:28] hotel motel operators with another round of occupancy tax audits.

[1:16:34] To get any efforts there, they're not only inside of how those

[1:16:37] funds are used.

[1:16:39] But also you know the the actual collection and the tax returns

[1:16:44] significant items, so.

[1:16:48] Thank you.

[1:16:48] I have a question.

[1:16:49] Isle of Swan.

[1:16:52] OK.

[1:16:53] Go on.

[1:16:54] How are you?

[1:16:55] Good, good.

[1:16:57] Anything you're talking?

[1:17:00] It's going well.

[1:17:00] I have the new employee in the text mapping position and he's doing very well.

[1:17:07] He come in in with a good surveying background,

[1:17:09] so he was able to slide into it fairly well.

[1:17:12] He knows his needs in the survey, so it's going very well.

[1:17:16] In Morgan's report, we did not get the grant for scanning of

[1:17:20] all the deeds, so all the filing events are still in the

[1:17:23] hall.

[1:17:24] We are starting to do a little bit in house scanning work was able to give us

[1:17:28] all scanner. So we're we're starting to scan in house.

[1:17:33] It's gonna take a long time, but I think Brooke's gonna help out a

[1:17:36] little bit.

[1:17:37] See if she can get some scanning done for us.

[1:17:42] Been working with Andrea on the backer for the city tax bill.

[1:17:45] Getting ready to do the printing, so we had to reword the backer a little

[1:17:48] bit.

[1:17:48] Getting ready to, you know, buy the forms and things like that and

[1:17:52] basically that's what.

[1:17:58] So just check in with chair. Are we gonna have an opportunity to talk

[1:18:02] about what we talked about last month?

[1:18:05] Yeah, which is all of the tax exemptions.

[1:18:09] Yeah, as a fact of.

[1:18:12] Pay for that. Thank you.

[1:18:13] We're working on that report.

[1:18:14] Alright, perfect. Thanks.

[1:18:17] Everything would want to do that.

[1:18:21] OK.

[1:18:27] Actually, Sandy first.

[1:18:28] Oh, Sandy, sorry. OK.

[1:18:30] Where are we with?

[1:18:37] All. All I can say is I know I was with prabal

[1:18:41] on answering Savannah's.

[1:18:45] She's putting out there to all the counties, you know.

[1:18:49] Are they in rush hour now?

[1:18:52] For the time, Hartford is interested.

[1:18:55] Yeah, they're still waiting on municipalities.

[1:18:57] They've reached out multiple times, but yeah, once we have that,

[1:19:01] who's interested or who's not, then Michael will then would learn and

[1:19:06] calculate a rate based on who's in, who's out and say, OK.

[1:19:10] This is what the rate would be.

[1:19:12] Are you interested in still moving forward and if you ask them,

[1:19:15] we can come back to them.

[1:19:16] Plan that says, OK, municipalities are reimbursing us at cost.

[1:19:20] Umm.

[1:19:21] This is the staff we would need to bring on board to do it.

[1:19:23] Mm-hmm. First step is still confirming whether

[1:19:26] they want to be.

[1:19:29] We're not just have to say, they said no. At some point they don't.

[1:19:34] This isn't another topic that has been talked about for many years and to

[1:19:41] possibly become reality.

[1:19:44] Side OK, I do have a question.

[1:19:49] So I was at the time, probably last night.

[1:19:54] They wanna know, along with Scott how to sever.

[1:20:00] From their camp, I thought.

[1:20:02] They I thought they did that with state.

[1:20:05] I thought they broke that camp.

[1:20:10] I'm glad I did the request that they had.

[1:20:12] It was done by local law, so they're gonna have to resend that

[1:20:15] local law.

[1:20:16] Yeah. So you could just reach out to them, OK?

[1:20:19] And and ask Scott to say what they wanna do.

[1:20:22] OK.

[1:20:23] Hold my hand up in Syracuse and up in the state and find out what they have to

[1:20:28] officially do to bring that cattle. Well, I told him 'cause.

[1:20:33] I gave them the agreement. Yes, and put it to them to give to their

[1:20:37] attorneys. And I've got them figure.

[1:20:40] It out because there is no real benefit anymore.

[1:20:43] The way that there used to be.

[1:20:46] So, but they wanna be able to break away

[1:20:49] because problem feels that they can't do their rebound until.

[1:20:55] Scott buys into it, which they have.

[1:20:57] I mean they they all have money set aside now to do that.

[1:21:02] But if you could just reach out to them. Thank you.

[1:21:08] Yes, more real question for Savannah, I need an answer right now,

[1:21:12] but I'd be interested in the municipalities that I represent for that.

[1:21:17] They gave a name.

[1:21:22] I would want to go back to them.

[1:21:25] Often without getting an answer.

[1:21:28] Any other?

[1:21:29] Any other?

[1:21:32] So OK.

[1:21:32] So now to send what I want to do is turn to Michael and I want to invite you.

[1:21:39] Very well.

[1:21:41] Should we start with Laura, who you wanted here to talk about how

[1:21:46] reassessment effects?

[1:21:47] Yes, budget.

[1:21:48] And then she doesn't have to stay in the whole time, right?

[1:21:50] Excellent. So talk to us about how we assess and

[1:21:53] that's.

[1:21:54] What else I mean?

[1:21:58] What do you post with?

[1:22:02] Well, when when a rebound happens, it brings everybody back up to market

[1:22:06] value.

[1:22:07] And when it becomes up to market value, your equalization rate will now settle

[1:22:14] back up to 100% roughly, so that the properties are assessed as to

[1:22:19] what they're selling for is all that means.

[1:22:25] Once you get up to 100%.

[1:22:28] Your percentage of the municipal share drops,

[1:22:32] so your tax rate drops we saw in Virgil that when they got rebelled and got up to

[1:22:38] 100%, their tax rate dropped over $5 per

[1:22:42] thousand.

[1:22:44] Plus you got it.

[1:22:45] You got to think about your exemptions because you're,

[1:22:49] if you're assessed at a equalization rate, that's not 100%.

[1:22:54] You don't get 100% share of your equals of your exemption.

[1:22:59] You only get a portion of that, so as you get to 100%,

[1:23:03] everybody's back on the same playing field.

[1:23:08] Thanks for the problem with it is we saw in the City of Portland within one year

[1:23:13] your equalization rate is already dropped like 4% because things are still selling

[1:23:19] faster than what the assessments are keeping up with.

[1:23:23] Review this explain when you say who's the current executive.

[1:23:28] Like your senior citizen, your veterans exemption,

[1:23:32] you get up to a percentage of and then equalization rate has to be calculated

[1:23:37] into that. So you're not getting the full benefit.

[1:23:41] And on our tax bill, we had always listed that if you were at

[1:23:46] 100%, if you.

[1:23:47] Were at full value.

[1:23:49] This is how much your exemption would be, but you're only getting.

[1:23:52] Whatever your equalization, or if you're if you're at 60%,

[1:23:56] you're only getting 60% of that full value of that exemption.

[1:24:01] So for this includes Sark for no No, Sark's a lot different,

[1:24:07] because that's a reimbursement by the state to the IT comes into play.

[1:24:13] But the state always has already done a 2% cap.

[1:24:17] You can't get more than you got last year.

[1:24:21] It can only go 2% higher than what you got last year.

[1:24:24] So then in two years after someone does a rebound.

[1:24:30] Will I see him now?

[1:24:34] The state sets that value because we have solar solar.

[1:24:42] I think it's.

[1:24:45] The organization is low.

[1:24:49] I think it's 54525254.

[1:24:53] Yeah, goodbye.

[1:24:54] But you know, you just start seeing, you know, these reduced so much.

[1:25:01] That this came up in.

[1:25:03] In Provo last night, for that as well, is and. And I don't want to belabor this,

[1:25:11] but.

[1:25:13] Everyone gets a reevaluation.

[1:25:16] Now town value.

[1:25:19] Right, right, right.

[1:25:21] So, but we're looking at sales tax apportion

[1:25:26] out of there that does now get factored in or does it get factored in at 100%?

[1:25:33] Do we do a calculation?

[1:25:36] It's on the property, right?

[1:25:38] It's on the property, so it's just raw value.

[1:25:40] What? What? What? It is right. So.

[1:25:43] For an evaluation that they did currently.

[1:25:48] They would potentially receive more. There may not be as much as they

[1:25:51] anticipate depending on where they are.

[1:25:54] I mean, I think I remember correctly.

[1:25:57] I did that for Jeremy.

[1:25:59] That, and I think it was under 100,000, but it was an eclipse pollution process

[1:26:07] based on the fact that he'll be a.

[1:26:10] So we did get additions.

[1:26:11] That's the new.

[1:26:14] Yeah.

[1:26:14] Because one of the things we were talking about was homes in trouble have been

[1:26:20] selling higher than their assessed for, right.

[1:26:24] And then you really take a look at it and you're just like, well, wait a minute.

[1:26:28] You know, what's it really assessed for?

[1:26:31] It might not be that it's going really high because what they're doing is

[1:26:35] they're like, they're getting these assessors,

[1:26:38] they're saying, well, hold off a couple of years because.

[1:26:41] It's gonna plateau.

[1:26:44] Instead of a house that's worth more, you know, 200,000 is now selling for 400,

[1:26:50] 000.

[1:26:52] They they're they're thinking that it's gonna peak in its gonna go flat.

[1:26:55] If wanna go flat that's when you do a reassessment.

[1:26:58] And I was just like, no, because it could be.

[1:27:01] That's what it actually is.

[1:27:04] And and they don't grasp that.

[1:27:06] And we've had trainings Laura's come in.

[1:27:11] We have been giving these municipalities all of the stuff,

[1:27:14] but right now we don't see.

[1:27:17] You know where there's an incentive for them to do that.

[1:27:21] And what it breaks down is equalization. Put in concrete dollars and they're just

[1:27:25] gonna be very generous.

[1:27:27] OK, that as you know, property taxes have, you know is an impact X amount of dollars,

[1:27:35] OK. And for Portland, one year is in the 50.

[1:27:40] So the average tax increase of quote because of the this e-mail.

[1:27:46] $30.00 for 1000 assessed value OK.

[1:27:51] Whereas with so on that that kinda it was really having some $10 worth for for 1000

[1:27:57] assessed value. And the reason why is because for

[1:28:01] equalization rate was so it really has an impact on how much you're paying for 1000

[1:28:07] assessments.

[1:28:10] So I have one last question.

[1:28:12] Yes, Maura, is that currently the way the way that it

[1:28:18] is is the county has 11?

[1:28:22] And because of the equalization rates, the way they are.

[1:28:26] Are there municipalities? If you're looking at the municipality as

[1:28:30] a whole?

[1:28:32] It's paying more of that county because of the equalization rates are so bad.

[1:28:39] And they're actually could be paying more of the bigger pot because they're so

[1:28:45] crappy, right?

[1:28:46] Right. As your equalization rate goes down your

[1:28:49] calendar, you pay more of the pie and that's

[1:28:52] exactly your rate is driven to tell them this.

[1:28:55] And they're just like, well, no, you're just gonna put people's, you know,

[1:28:59] tax accountants. And it's like, no, I mean, they've been paying.

[1:29:04] And they're paying more than what they're sharing.

[1:29:07] Yeah. So I just really want people understand.

[1:29:11] Is that you?

[1:29:13] You really gotta look at it is a is a bigger.

[1:29:18] Or I can't build on that. I think right where the counties in our

[1:29:21] small portion of that same concept applies school to the school district

[1:29:25] where you end up paying more.

[1:29:28] Especially if you're in a school district that is outside the county,

[1:29:32] you pay a lot higher.

[1:29:36] It's.

[1:29:37] On how that works, but like like for instance where I am.

[1:29:42] My Rd. splits the city of Portland School

[1:29:46] District and City School District in Dryden.

[1:29:50] I'm in Dryden and I'm paying a lot more and it happens off on torch fabus Kyler,

[1:29:55] if you're in Courtland County and you're paying outside to a school district,

[1:30:00] it becomes your rate becomes a lot higher.

[1:30:04] Just the way the figures work.

[1:30:08] Any any questions or?

[1:30:12] Yeah, 'cause right 'cause I wanted to.

[1:30:14] You know, we go back to the presentation.

[1:30:17] Michael did umm with the county.

[1:30:18] You know his initial budget. You know, if you look at it, you know,

[1:30:23] just to give a quick comparison, because we're looking at the 5.

[1:30:28] 5% property tax increase.

[1:30:30] Yeah, an assessed home at $100,000. If that person is living in.

[1:30:35] Buxton, they're gonna pay $328. 00 more in county taxes.

[1:30:40] OK.

[1:30:40] But if that happens or 1000 or the 100, 000, yeah, for the $100,000 guy,

[1:30:44] that's the total amount that they're gonna see an increase in the tax.

[1:30:48] But if that house is in the city of Portland,

[1:30:51] where we've done the recent reassessment, their county taxes are gonna go down $3.

[1:30:56] 23, right?

[1:30:56] So these equalization rates and the reassessments have big impacts on you

[1:31:02] know the county and then you know even even though we're increasing the county

[1:31:07] taxes the.

[1:31:09] Actual scene taxes of individuals in the city are gonna go down, right?

[1:31:14] I mean it's it's a significant, you know, part of this.

[1:31:17] And if we don't keep up with our assessments?

[1:31:21] Properly then you see these mad swings that are really gonna hit our rural parts

[1:31:26] of our right community.

[1:31:27] And and this is the promotion of county assessing because if we have it in House

[1:31:34] and we have our assessors, they can actually continually look at

[1:31:39] that and work with the code enforcements on the permits and everything and they

[1:31:45] can pretty much try to maintain.

[1:31:49] As close as they can for every municipality. Right 'cause.

[1:31:52] I I think people worry.

[1:31:54] Oh, if you're gonna be kind of continually

[1:31:56] doing reassessment, then my taxes are always gonna go up.

[1:31:59] And we saw that when the city and others have done their reassessment,

[1:32:03] there are some that are gonna go up about 1/3.

[1:32:06] I think you said in the past that 5 thirds will go up a bit.

[1:32:09] Yeah, the third will remain the same and the

[1:32:11] third will actually go down, even though you're doing, you know,

[1:32:14] a a reassessment, it's not always.

[1:32:17] Higher, higher, higher.

[1:32:18] For keeping through the current could actually potentially bring down what

[1:32:22] people are seeing coming out of their pocketbooks when it comes to the taxes we

[1:32:26] just have to stay on top of it.

[1:32:30] So I don't know if I really want to ask a question here.

[1:32:32] Probably not for this discussion, but my question is released more to

[1:32:37] exemptions and related to church owned property because you have churches,

[1:32:43] parishes within our all the community.

[1:32:46] We're not just talking county.

[1:32:48] Are closing down and the properties are being sold the private owners.

[1:32:54] How is that exemption removed then from the property and I see other properties

[1:33:00] are coming in as classified as I think a church.

[1:33:05] How do they get exemptions, and especially if they're like in A and

[1:33:09] this is urban, if they're in a shopping mall and they're

[1:33:13] part of an entire a bigger complex?

[1:33:16] That is owned by.

[1:33:18] An individual and not necessarily a church own property.

[1:33:21] I'm looking just curious about that.

[1:33:24] We actually have some property.

[1:33:25] I've seen properties sold in our village from the church to private individuals,

[1:33:30] and we have another piece of property where that interest is coming forward to

[1:33:35] to purchase that and I'm all for, yeah, we don't need it.

[1:33:38] Let's let's move on there.

[1:33:41] Everything is is assessed as.

[1:33:45] Of.

[1:33:45] March 1st taxable status date.

[1:33:48] What's happening with that problem?

[1:33:50] So if a property has sold that was exempt throughout the year,

[1:33:54] March 1st comes along bad assessor's gonna remove that roll.

[1:33:57] Section 8 hold the exempt status and they're gonna become fully taxable with

[1:34:02] the following.

[1:34:05] It becomes final July 1st and then the school bill.

[1:34:08] They will become fully taxable, so they will become fully taxable.

[1:34:12] If it's in a strip mall.

[1:34:14] I can think of one that is it's a residential.

[1:34:16] It's a percentage.

[1:34:18] They only base that wholly exempt portion on just the square footage of that

[1:34:24] building that that fully exempt is taking.

[1:34:27] So we are finding that.

[1:34:31] There's some housing that goes along with the church that either the pastor's

[1:34:37] living in things like that as soon as that.

[1:34:40] And I know of an example that we know that this House was part of the church,

[1:34:47] but now it's up for rent.

[1:34:50] So the assessor removes that exemption status because if they're up front,

[1:34:55] it's no longer fully exempt.

[1:34:57] So the assessors have to be aware of this. The assessors have to know their towns

[1:35:03] and what is going on in their town and when we see things come through our

[1:35:07] office, because we pass the sales, we do our sales first before the

[1:35:12] assessors. If we see somet.

[1:35:13] That's in rural section a fully exempt and it's being sold to a private party.

[1:35:18] We'll put notations on it.

[1:35:19] So the assessor will see that flag that they need to look at this.

[1:35:23] So some of the stuff we try to catch in our office,

[1:35:27] the assessor has to be very active in his sounds, her towns.

[1:35:32] I'm going to start having mass in my garage. Revolutionary.

[1:35:37] You know, and and cemeteries and another big thing.

[1:35:39] Yeah, they think that if you have a gravesite

[1:35:42] on your property, you're holy.

[1:35:44] Exempt doesn't work like that, OK.

[1:35:49] That's all. Sorry.

[1:35:52] Be more on this topic before. Now we turn to budget.

[1:35:57] OK. Do you want me to miss Michael?

[1:35:59] Oh, you want to take a minute?

[1:36:03] Yeah, we'll take a Friday. Thank you.

[1:42:08] We are welcoming everyone back.

[1:42:11] To continue.

[1:42:21] Our present overview of who are inventors.

[1:42:26] Since the last talk. Yeah, pretty good. So.

[1:42:30] Two weeks ago, we last met, so we were about $1,000,

[1:42:35] 000 from being balanced in the last two weeks, we've seen adjustments up and down.

[1:42:42] We've continued to to work through that.

[1:42:46] There was a significant adjustment related to nyisler payments at the end of

[1:42:50] the day.

[1:42:50] Right now we are about $860, 000 away from having a a balance.

[1:42:57] Budget. There are some things included in there

[1:43:00] not included in there that you know we can talk through some of the significant

[1:43:05] items worth noting.

[1:43:06] I shouldn't say you know, significant that help us get to that

[1:43:09] number that are important.

[1:43:12] First thing, I took a a look at sales tax again.

[1:43:14] Still wanted to remain conservative on that,

[1:43:18] but we increased that revenue projections from 2% to 2 and a percent.

[1:43:25] We then looked at.

[1:43:29] On the the fund balance side of where we were going to take 2.

[1:43:33] 4 million and reset to 2.6 million.

[1:43:37] Then looking at the building reserve and was previously applying about 100,

[1:43:43] 000 of that towards our some of the the capital projects that are in there

[1:43:48] specifically the.

[1:43:52] The parking lot with mental health.

[1:43:54] I am not applying any of it to the dry storage building that so we bought an

[1:43:58] additional 200, 000 out of the building reserve which.

[1:44:03] Effectively, from a net perspective, we won't be putting the 300,

[1:44:06] 000 we normally put into the reserve.

[1:44:08] We'll be using it on on building related projects.

[1:44:13] And took out all of the the positions we'll talk about filled positions in

[1:44:19] executive session, right? Yeah. But at the last committee,

[1:44:23] it was the new position.

[1:44:26] We took those out.

[1:44:30] For the reallocations so far.

[1:44:32] Except yeah, except there are.

[1:44:37] 2 reallocations.

[1:44:44] So the only reallocations that are still in the budget.

[1:44:49] As of right now, relate to the forensic counselor,

[1:44:53] which is the position that lives in both the grant and the operating and the

[1:44:59] rehabilitation specialist. So to employment contracts,

[1:45:03] education contract.

[1:45:07] So position wise, all of that has been taken out.

[1:45:10] You know the discussion with the committee.

[1:45:16] And so we're about.

[1:45:17] About that 800,000.

[1:45:21] So we took it forward and another step.

[1:45:23] So like Michael said.

[1:45:26] During the last, we had about 21, 000 as a recalculation in one of our.

[1:45:32] Up and then we had to take the following steps to reduce.

[1:45:39] Some of our expenses and we were able to increase our sales tax and teaching 2.

[1:45:47] 5 that gave us 130.

[1:45:50] 1000, We're now taking the $200, 000 from sales tax into the building

[1:45:56] reserve.

[1:45:57] Building reserve, as you know it's 300, 000 from sales tax.

[1:46:02] We're now taking 200,000.

[1:46:07] And adding it to the code, taking an additional 200,

[1:46:11] 000 from the General Fund, saving some 6000 from a expense that

[1:46:17] personnel has.

[1:46:19] Workers comp came in lower than we anticipated and level positions,

[1:46:26] so that will focus more on . 8 really more through back 866,

[1:46:32] 000 and where we are today, OK.

[1:46:37] And so that so we try everything we possibly can at the moment.

[1:46:41] To reduce it down to the staff and we still have the staff and I don't know if

[1:46:47] you want me over figures again because we've just been a lot of data that you as

[1:46:53] you know you know we are.

[1:46:55] We're at 5.5 property tax.

[1:46:58] Because as much as we can open with sales tax,

[1:47:02] we look at all the programs to see where we can come in and.

[1:47:07] Streamline work around places.

[1:47:10] We're really at this moment basically $866,000.

[1:47:16] So that's where we're looking at. Is there anything else you want to add?

[1:47:22] No, just obviously we'll talk about the

[1:47:23] positions.

[1:47:25] Yeah, right, field positions, however.

[1:47:29] So we have a bit of a challenge.

[1:47:33] So with the.

[1:47:35] Taking more from the fund balance, is that gonna keep us within our

[1:47:39] statutory limits?

[1:47:43] Will it be slightly under?

[1:47:44] The slightly under.

[1:47:45] It was about 200,000. I mean, we basically what we were using was

[1:47:50] brought us to the 13.

[1:47:51] So that just tips it slight.

[1:47:56] And on sales tax revenue, we have a number where we're at here to

[1:47:59] date now and we're gonna about a 2 1/2 percent.

[1:48:01] It's historically been 2.

[1:48:06] Are we seeing 2 1/2% this year?

[1:48:09] Yes, actually, yes.

[1:48:11] So our October payments.

[1:48:14] Uh, actually, we just received the second one today

[1:48:17] that are actually September received in October.

[1:48:20] Those were actually up significantly.

[1:48:22] So the third quarter itself was up 14 1/2 percent, which brings our total to date.

[1:48:32] Were up 2.9%.

[1:48:35] And this will actually revolve 2.5, so we did.

[1:48:39] Record the share of two point.

[1:48:42] 7:00 so that would be about. Yeah. So at 8/6.

[1:48:45] 866 yeah, 866 is remaining.

[1:48:48] What is that?

[1:48:49] We're going to a percentage of.

[1:48:54] Two more.

[1:48:55] Two more percent, OK.

[1:48:57] So we're gonna be like 7 1/2. We're gonna 7 1/2 percent, probably 6.

[1:49:01] So the one thing I do want to point out that I did too is, you know,

[1:49:05] when we look at historically where a budget you know growth was year over year,

[1:49:09] we were in that seven and a half, 8% that we talked about in the June model.

[1:49:13] Of growing your budget.

[1:49:16] Where we have done the departments and amazing job at contracting that.

[1:49:21] So our growth is looking about 3%.

[1:49:23] So this is really, you know, we've done a really good job of trying to

[1:49:27] control the the expense side of of what is controllable.

[1:49:31] You know, we've talked about previously about the

[1:49:34] uncontrollable insurance, healthcare, things like that, yeah.

[1:49:46] So Michael, I'm a little confused because this

[1:49:50] committee gave you direction the other week to.

[1:49:55] Not move forward on any of the positions that didn't equate to the $612,

[1:49:59] 000 in savings that you had projected in the spreadsheet you provided to us for

[1:50:05] those positions that you approved moving forward, had it in your budget?

[1:50:11] Those were were taken out.

[1:50:12] Yeah, we were out.

[1:50:14] We were at $1,000,000.

[1:50:15] We took out 612, 000 because we didn't approve any

[1:50:18] positions and now we're still only at 800, 000 because we went out and we went out

[1:50:23] and where did we go?

[1:50:24] Up another million and calculation Andrew was saying 4, I'm sorry.

[1:50:36] Three times, yes, there was a MIS capital.

[1:50:41] For this presentation that had not been that really how I'm sure.

[1:50:49] In addition to what we were.

[1:50:51] Just like the second year in a row, we've had an issue with their.

[1:50:56] Miscalculation.

[1:51:00] Phone call this be hard.

[1:51:01] She did the budget, but no, that's good.

[1:51:04] But before the last. Yeah. Miscalculation. Yeah,

[1:51:07] I would say that is normal processes. With that every number all the way

[1:51:12] through.

[1:51:12] So I'm go up some go down.

[1:51:15] Oh, that was back up. And that's why when you apply the

[1:51:19] positions, that literally goes back to 800 and 66947.

[1:51:25] So.

[1:51:28] Which is what we're facing.

[1:51:29] So I would entertain any thoughts and and.

[1:51:34] That still leaves. I'm just saying andresolve the issue of

[1:51:39] the worker training which you know needs to be resolved.

[1:51:43] That's something we filed about with face state with 866 million without

[1:51:49] considering, so I.

[1:51:53] Think or.

[1:51:57] Movement to to the county administrators in their planning.

[1:52:02] So this is the time to make an.

[1:52:10] Assessment.

[1:52:13] So, per the directive last, I'm accounting management,

[1:52:16] you've taken out all those new positions that took out 600,000 and some change.

[1:52:21] Yeah. And we bumped back up another million.

[1:52:25] And so there we are, OK.

[1:52:28] When we changed those, when we took out those positions.

[1:52:32] Did we touch anything with education and training for various parts? We did not.

[1:52:38] OK, is in my mind's. If we're not going to move forward with a

[1:52:42] lot of those positions, then I think we need to take a hard look

[1:52:46] at what some of those line items for education and training are.

[1:52:50] So I would make this action item for the county administrator.

[1:52:58] I don't know how to make a whole lot of people happy, but that's OK.

[1:53:02] For every department outside.

[1:53:06] Of county legislature.

[1:53:08] And county administrator.

[1:53:13] But every education training wine item.

[1:53:18] From last year's levels by 50%.

[1:53:22] With county legislature and county administrator.

[1:53:26] Cut 100%.

[1:53:33] As you know, with the education and training those

[1:53:38] departments outside of the county level soldier and.

[1:53:45] Administrator some of those were needed. OK,

[1:53:47] so that all will be able to do those trainings.

[1:53:51] So I think we might wanna non mandatory.

[1:53:55] Yeah, once.

[1:53:55] Yes for non.

[1:54:00] Level.

[1:54:01] Yes.

[1:54:03] My administration covers all of the departmental training in their budget,

[1:54:08] though, right?

[1:54:09] So we cover all department trainings, personnel covers,

[1:54:12] all of our management training and county wide.

[1:54:17] You're saying the legislature legislature budget covers drinking? OK,

[1:54:23] so I'll keep putting that 100% on.

[1:54:25] So those expenses were taken out of each.

[1:54:30] Right.

[1:54:33] So when things get shifted around, it makes you're not able to look at.

[1:54:36] That was something that we potentially added in 2026.

[1:54:39] Was that training for employees from an employee development perspective?

[1:54:42] So the Department of training included in my budget the the.

[1:54:47] Or Middle ash training with TC3, with with personnel.

[1:54:53] If we did that, how many dollars are we talking about

[1:54:56] saving?

[1:54:58] It looks like from the figures that that I have that I received this morning just

[1:55:03] just looking at them.

[1:55:07] Brings it about to be 150.

[1:55:11] Maybe 150. Just eyeballing the figures I receive.

[1:55:15] And those figures include mandatory or non mandatory or grant funded or whatever.

[1:55:19] It's everything.

[1:55:22] So don't be surprised.

[1:55:25] I.

[1:55:25] I don't know what it's good because you have to tease all that out and that's all.

[1:55:28] It's just it's have to tease all that out to see if it's. That's, yeah.

[1:55:33] Didn't realize they were all mixed together.

[1:55:38] Pretty well savings and people buying 600, 000 just like that you did.

[1:55:43] He did.

[1:55:43] We didn't contribute to the building reserve fund, we just talked.

[1:55:46] That's what we did.

[1:55:47] Why should the same same same we did last year?

[1:55:52] I mean, I think when you're looking at the

[1:55:55] legislative budget, yeah, we could.

[1:55:57] We could trim it.

[1:56:00] But.

[1:56:02] To to say that we are not here to, to go to a conference.

[1:56:07] I think we should maybe Tariq, because going to these conferences.

[1:56:14] Portland County is now then recognized.

[1:56:20] As a contributor.

[1:56:22] To February. So for us to be able to waive or you know

[1:56:26] anything like that or to bring stuff in.

[1:56:33] It's a very big value.

[1:56:36] And you know, we can do that.

[1:56:38] I mean we can trim it and then only three people go.

[1:56:45] But that is.

[1:56:48] That cannot be caught.

[1:56:52] If you go to 0, can't go to 0. If you want. If it wasn't on that.

[1:56:57] If it wasn't on the app, we would not be where we are in in

[1:57:02] getting the jail taken care of.

[1:57:06] You know, I mean, these are the things that the legislature

[1:57:10] is for and that's our job.

[1:57:12] Or to go to Albany.

[1:57:14] That's our job.

[1:57:15] When legislators give up their personal time to attend to lobby and educate

[1:57:22] themselves at these conferences, I think that is.

[1:57:30] And I commend those that feel that they can go in, not all of us.

[1:57:40] So and I was a member of night club, I'll tell you the benefits of that.

[1:57:45] You can have my so much easier, so much better picking up the phone and

[1:57:49] saying hi, this is so and so they know who you're

[1:57:52] talking about.

[1:57:53] They know what your issue is and you're dealing with it and you're resolving.

[1:57:57] So getting answers.

[1:58:00] We need to continue with that.

[1:58:04] Yes.

[1:58:06] A little bit of devil's advocate, though. I mean that.

[1:58:08] That's that's the issue is you can't measure.

[1:58:10] You can have a great conference.

[1:58:13] You can make a lot of connections with a lot of people and and that's and I'm not

[1:58:17] discounting any of that. I I read the the Chairman's jail

[1:58:21] presentation, but I was reading, but at least for next year, yeah,

[1:58:25] I I think we do need to tight.

[1:58:26] Our belts a little bit and so maybe not 100%. So on that,

[1:58:31] the action I'm gonna put forward to 75%.

[1:58:35] Or county administration or county legislature.

[1:58:41] Because we end up when we go to the February.

[1:58:46] 1.

[1:58:48] That is, the proposed budget from the state.

[1:58:51] That's our first Ave. Figuring out what are we gonna get.

[1:58:54] But what are we now?

[1:58:56] What's in the pipeline for us to be educated on what?

[1:59:01] What funding is not gonna be provided or what is and that is really necessary?

[1:59:09] I think where Michael?

[1:59:11] Oh, do you think there's there's enormous

[1:59:13] value to to that participation?

[1:59:15] Do you ever look in that measure?

[1:59:16] It doesn't mean there's zero impact.

[1:59:18] I don't wanna make that statement.

[1:59:21] That's I think that's our the team building we've been doing with the

[1:59:23] department heads has absolutely been invaluable.

[1:59:25] That really kicked off this week and we've heard great feedback on trying to

[1:59:29] educate our mail managers on, you know, it doesn't mean just because you're great

[1:59:34] at the job, you now need to learn a new skill set on

[1:59:37] how to how to manage. And that has been.

[1:59:39] You know very well received. So I would like to keep those programs

[1:59:43] moving forward.

[1:59:44] So when you're talking about what's required.

[1:59:51] So at at the last Isaac conference.

[1:59:56] I I am now on the economic development. Something else for April.

[2:00:03] Which is the National Association of Counties,

[2:00:06] which is now going to be held in DC.

[2:00:10] For that, that's our time for us to lobby for

[2:00:13] federal funding.

[2:00:16] As well as at a county level to Mako to get them to to chime in.

[2:00:23] The one that we just went through with Nisek Nyseck is going to be our is.

[2:00:28] There are documents that we have.

[2:00:31] They are now ones that are getting ready to assist us in getting our grant.

[2:00:37] Program created.

[2:00:39] Or our jails that we cannot afford on our own.

[2:00:44] That's what we're here for. And in that I would hate to have that.

[2:00:49] Just suffer and and when you're looking at HHS.

[2:00:55] You know, I that's what's being.

[2:01:00] Yes, just to clarify the the action item is

[2:01:03] not intended to sever us or anything.

[2:01:07] From my side because I think the Jews come out of a separate line for that.

[2:01:12] And let's not, you know, undervalue the value to give when I say,

[2:01:15] but I do think in a year or yeah, we're facing the.

[2:01:18] I mean, we just had this $1,000,000.

[2:01:22] Increase here out of nowhere. So I I don't think it's unreasonable for,

[2:01:26] you know, if we look at the number one issue though,

[2:01:29] but also standing us, I mean the action was not just the

[2:01:32] legislature or the administrents also non mandatory.

[2:01:35] Departments with their education and and training expenses from 2025 levels,

[2:01:42] 50% reduction.

[2:01:44] So are you saying it's 2025 levels and then is trend 50% from there go back to

[2:01:51] 25 and then trim, correct?

[2:01:55] No. Yeah, that's what I'm using.

[2:01:57] That's OK because what I had where it was. Every department,

[2:02:00] I'll say the legislature and county administrator for everybody,

[2:02:03] education in particular would be percent legislator and county administrator,

[2:02:07] right. 70% besides mandatory or grant funding.

[2:02:12] September 24th.

[2:02:15] Which item?

[2:02:22] Yes, 2.

[2:02:25] I don't know.

[2:02:25] On one hand it seems easy, but.

[2:02:28] Save a little bit, but on the other hand, the private industry for 30 years and

[2:02:33] organizations following private that don't wholeheartedly go into training,

[2:02:38] education and all that stuff.

[2:02:41] They really get behind that.

[2:02:43] You're missing out.

[2:02:43] I feel like the culture just changes.

[2:02:45] They become a strange place that 'cause. We've had a good touch with the outside

[2:02:49] world and the employees in every level are in their own little bubble and.

[2:02:55] Struggle a struggle with producing trade.

[2:02:58] It's almost like, if anything, you'd you would you wanna increase it as

[2:03:01] much as possible?

[2:03:02] Not decrease her. Yeah, I'm sorry.

[2:03:07] So when I was first elected previous to and Sandy will remember this,

[2:03:13] it was decided not to belong to MSN. I think at the time it was 15,

[2:03:18] 000 a year or something to belong to it and it was.

[2:03:22] It did not exist.

[2:03:23] We did not belong to it when it was elected.

[2:03:26] Somewhere along the line, we voted to be a part of it.

[2:03:31] And as Kevin and everybody else has said, there's great value to absolutely.

[2:03:37] People didn't even know where Corbin County was or what we did,

[2:03:41] and that's change now.

[2:03:45] So I do think it's extremely important that we stay within.

[2:03:50] And we have representation there.

[2:03:51] Networking is you can't even figure out the cost of it.

[2:03:56] That means sad.

[2:03:58] I think that Reed is maybe going a little strong on 100%.

[2:04:03] Yeah, but I've also seen.

[2:04:07] The county with our huge budget does not ever look at little stuff.

[2:04:11] If it's not $50,000 or something, it's like, oh, that's not worth it.

[2:04:16] But if every single.

[2:04:19] Position every single everything in our county was looked at. Little things.

[2:04:23] Do you really need that new furniture?

[2:04:24] Do we really need to spend 2000 on this?

[2:04:27] The county never does that and I think what Reed is saying is yes,

[2:04:31] we need more segments important. But can we cut down how many go if we're

[2:04:36] sending 10?

[2:04:37] Now, can we cut it down to four, at least for a while?

[2:04:41] But we don't look at little savings and if we would look at little tiny savings

[2:04:46] like this all across the board, we could probably come up with 100,000,

[2:04:50] but we don't.

[2:04:52] I would like to just generally I didn't wish you to do any right.

[2:04:57] We came up with about 151.

[2:05:01] No thanks.

[2:05:02] So so.

[2:05:06] We're not going to go forward with the action item that we are going for,

[2:05:11] the action we had last time, which was to not include the, the,

[2:05:16] the new position then should we have any increases in education training?

[2:05:22] I I don't think so.

[2:05:23] I don't think that's that's difficult for me to square that circle.

[2:05:27] We're not gonna have new positions.

[2:05:30] Then or or we can't have prior employees.

[2:05:33] We're gonna have them.

[2:05:34] Well, of course they do.

[2:05:35] We're still gonna have funding available, but increase of increases. OK, OK.

[2:05:43] I hear a couple of different things.

[2:05:44] Would it be possible if it seems to me, we don't really know?

[2:05:50] I mean, that's a Thursday that we refer.

[2:05:52] We can give a general directive.

[2:05:53] To count in the city, we're looking at Anton to look at the

[2:05:58] list of reasonable number of attendance number of exactly how much we do exist on

[2:06:04] the education training or not, non managerial non grant funded

[2:06:09] activities. So we know what we're looking OK because

[2:06:13] we may be.

[2:06:14] Looking at 20,000, we may be looking at 5000.

[2:06:17] I have no idea because I don't know education training by the means of other

[2:06:22] departments.

[2:06:23] Excluding now legislature and the county, Mr. but I think would be you know.

[2:06:31] Overall.

[2:06:34] Administrator and chair to look at, you know,

[2:06:37] is there a way of looking at a number of people who attend or legislate in county

[2:06:42] administrative law that those numbers, OK, controlling those?

[2:06:48] Assessment and I'm looking at other departments in terms of what's in non

[2:06:52] mandatory, non granted and we'll determine what that

[2:06:55] is.

[2:06:55] This letter will still be there.

[2:06:58] We can't even sort of let you know, is that OK?

[2:07:02] Is that OK?

[2:07:03] For the OK, I'm ready for 2027.

[2:07:07] Is the legislative.

[2:07:09] I can see the the real major important.

[2:07:14] Is in February.

[2:07:17] Right. That is. So I could say in 2027 we only attend one.

[2:07:23] Except for.

[2:07:25] County administrator goes into your budget.

[2:07:28] But we also then have the chair just go to the ball.

[2:07:36] So whatever you need in your discussion, you can figure out where that.

[2:07:39] I understand. I understand to read.

[2:07:41] And yeah, you know anything he's contributing to

[2:07:45] this, to this committee, right?

[2:07:46] And it's not on that beers. OK, good.

[2:07:52] So I'm gonna spell.

[2:07:53] I'm sorry. No, no.

[2:07:55] But what I'm saying is, if every department.

[2:07:59] Look for those little 500 thousand 2000. You'd probably be surprised what we came

[2:08:03] up with.

[2:08:05] And every year we will have the department head say, well,

[2:08:08] I need this well, do you have the money?

[2:08:11] Yeah, 'cause. I'm gonna move it from here, and I'm gonna put it over there.

[2:08:13] I have a real problem here because to me that means there was a bulk there that

[2:08:18] you didn't need and I've seen that for all these years.

[2:08:21] Oh no, I'll get it from over here and I'll move

[2:08:23] it here.

[2:08:24] So if you had a clear buy new desk, how many times have we seen somebody

[2:08:29] moves 11 room to another room?

[2:08:31] We spend thousands of dollars on new carpet, even new everything.

[2:08:35] When I walked in the office and go, I don't see much wrong with this.

[2:08:39] I just think we never look at little stuff.

[2:08:41] We only look at big stuff and if we look at little stuff,

[2:08:45] we might find that little $600.

[2:08:47] Well, 860,000.

[2:08:48] Not probably that much, but we got to start looking at little

[2:08:51] stuff.

[2:08:53] And no, I think the chairs should go to both.

[2:08:56] So.

[2:08:58] So just a couple of questions. You know some of these things I also.

[2:09:05] Like I raised in public works.

[2:09:08] And not to call them out, but it's just an example.

[2:09:11] Is like you know it, there's $2500 for clothing they didn't

[2:09:15] have anybody with that last name.

[2:09:18] I understand that unions have a clothing budget and they've negotiated that.

[2:09:21] That's fine.

[2:09:22] I think we, you know, we need to cover that.

[2:09:24] But for some of these other things, it's like I get, you know,

[2:09:27] looking the same. But you know, I don't know that we need a point $500

[2:09:31] budget.

[2:09:31] Same in their you know theirs. They are now gonna be facing.

[2:09:35] Normal $17,000 in vehicle.

[2:09:39] Cheaper to do gas reimbursement, even at . 76 cents a mile.

[2:09:42] They're not traveling that far. You know, I think for this year,

[2:09:46] if we can kind of go through and look at some of those things, you know,

[2:09:51] I think we can find some savings to to.

[2:09:53] Linda's point.

[2:09:54] I mean, the other one that I would put out there

[2:09:57] and and Michael, this is gonna be you know a bit of a,

[2:10:01] a hard one for you. But do we need to hire a deputy county

[2:10:05] administrator?

[2:10:06] I mean.

[2:10:07] We tried.

[2:10:08] It didn't work out. And remember the reason that it's fine,

[2:10:11] but I mean that's like it's a $200, 000 position.

[2:10:14] You know the whole department head Mike has not been here, you know for a year.

[2:10:18] But things seem to be going well. Is that something that?

[2:10:21] We either don't hire in 2027 or maybe do like we did, the County Attorney.

[2:10:25] We budgeted for half a year and we don't, you know,

[2:10:28] we don't look to hire until you know mid year.

[2:10:32] I just wonder on some of these things.

[2:10:35] There's some of those sorts of opportunities.

[2:10:37] I'll look through and say, OK, when I get Paul's,

[2:10:40] you know what he's doing in his department in IT to like, you know,

[2:10:44] looking at these and that sort of stuff. But, you know, this year it's like, OK,

[2:10:49] are there cheaper alternatives that we could utilize or?

[2:10:53] If they really need a vehicle, can we just borrow one from all the

[2:10:57] vehicles that we there are like 500 vehicles in the pool.

[2:11:01] I mean, is there one that we could, you know,

[2:11:03] kind of a junker that we could at least use to moose equipment across to the

[2:11:06] courthouse like that as opposed to, you know,

[2:11:09] going in for a new release this year just to get us through some of these?

[2:11:13] These things we do have a motion out the floor, so.

[2:11:19] Don't get that withdrawn.

[2:11:20] I would need a second or oh, I need to action OK.

[2:11:23] Sorry, that's OK.

[2:11:25] What's the motion on the second for the motion 2025 of from the 2025 amounts to?

[2:11:35] 50% from the education and training from every other requirement.

[2:11:38] Then 75% from county administrator.

[2:11:41] No that that non mandatory non mandatory. I think we're grandfather it just

[2:11:46] happened.

[2:11:49] Yeah, all second.

[2:11:50] So we'll discuss this.

[2:11:53] Does that impact your?

[2:11:57] Yourself when you go for a clerk, so that if we cut mine for 550% because

[2:12:02] I'm not the legislative budget and the third legislature.

[2:12:08] You can probably mine by 50%.

[2:12:09] I would be able to go to anything.

[2:12:12] I build in their respective work for counter France.

[2:12:16] These are special.

[2:12:17] Lower one that would fall into it, but I wouldn't be able to go to any

[2:12:20] stacker.

[2:12:20] But you could go down the cliffs one right.

[2:12:23] My office does not have many opportunities for any grants.

[2:12:27] Other departments have many opportunities for grants for education and training,

[2:12:31] but because of the work we do, we don't have those kind of grant

[2:12:34] opportunities.

[2:12:36] So that would cut out a lot of our education opportunity.

[2:12:39] See what we're talking just one year on this, right?

[2:12:42] We're not making this forever.

[2:12:45] Yes, two I I would need more information that

[2:12:48] you requested for.

[2:12:51] Yeah, I do understand where are saying yes,

[2:12:54] I think we need to take our part in the war.

[2:12:56] Yes, I think we need to see what we can do to.

[2:13:01] Find a difficult place for specific percentage of this time,

[2:13:04] but I don't know what the number is and that's the challenge so.

[2:13:07] So if we could locate perhaps in London as well,

[2:13:10] the general directions and we will watch the work at this cost.

[2:13:14] We want the we can reduce the limit nonvolatile training and see what they

[2:13:21] can do to reduce what we have in the CRI. We talked about general support, sure.

[2:13:28] So I'll I'll amend it to the following.

[2:13:32] Provide directive to the county administrator to offer to the committee.

[2:13:39] To possible solutions here.

[2:13:42] On the 50% reduction from all non mandatory non grant funded departments

[2:13:49] for the entire county in education.

[2:13:54] Same thing for 25% reduction and provide us provide the committee with those

[2:13:59] numbers.

[2:14:04] So with the amendment, we're requesting information.

[2:14:10] Yes.

[2:14:12] For both options.

[2:14:12] For both options 50% and 25%.

[2:14:15] So you're drawing the previous motion completely correct.

[2:14:18] You're OK with that as well? Sure.

[2:14:24] And then we have a motion for the administrator to get information on the

[2:14:29] 50% reduction in 25% reduction for all departments,

[2:14:33] for all mandatory or for all non mandatory and non grant funded education

[2:14:38] entry.

[2:14:39] We have a second on that motion.

[2:14:47] Discussion yes, it won't be before I deliver the tender

[2:14:50] question.

[2:14:51] Mm-hmm. There's no way to do that between now's

[2:14:53] next week.

[2:14:53] That's what we'll have to be in the perfect.

[2:15:01] So it's too late to go look for.

[2:15:04] Things like we've all talked about the car.

[2:15:08] Some of those I've been looking for and making, you know, reductions on that.

[2:15:13] I mean, I just really think there's a few $1000

[2:15:15] out there and things that aren't needed.

[2:15:19] Yeah, especially on the.

[2:15:22] Well, I don't know if we wanna amend it, but I would like to know what those costs

[2:15:26] are.

[2:15:26] That training is that we're covering project.

[2:15:29] It's not gonna happen.

[2:15:33] OK.

[2:15:33] You want to be doing.

[2:15:34] You wanna detail?

[2:15:37] Yep, you need it. OK, sure.

[2:15:39] Thank you.

[2:15:40] Sure. So I don't know, OK.

[2:15:45] We're asking just for more detail.

[2:15:49] Sorry.

[2:15:50] Any more discussion, we'll say. Aye, aye. Super. OK, moving on.

[2:15:58] So. So I'd like to go ahead and go back to

[2:16:01] what we talked about a couple of minutes ago.

[2:16:04] I've got a prepared statement here I'd like to raise the concern that I had.

[2:16:10] Couple of minutes ago about the workforce development and the funding for the

[2:16:14] Workforce Development Department. For nearly 60 years,

[2:16:17] this department has provided essential services to Cortland County residents

[2:16:21] without requiring direct county taxpayer support.

[2:16:23] However, significant reductions in federal funding

[2:16:26] and short sighted decisions by the Trump administration in Washington,

[2:16:29] DC are now threatening critical workforce training and youth employment

[2:16:33] opportunities right here in Portland County.

[2:16:35] During the last program year, more than 4300 customers came through our

[2:16:39] Career Center.

[2:16:40] The department also continues to assist workers affected by recent local layoffs,

[2:16:45] helping residents find employment, develop new skills and become financially

[2:16:49] independent.

[2:16:50] I believe this is exactly the kind of proactive investment government that all

[2:16:54] levels should be making if the federal government cannot recognize the values of

[2:16:58] these investments from Washington, I would hope that we can recognize their

[2:17:02] importance right here in Portland County.

[2:17:04] Supporting workforce development springs of their local economy helps local

[2:17:08] employers and can reduce future reliance on tax payer funded social services.

[2:17:12] These are investments that can pay dividends well beyond their initial costs.

[2:17:16] Importantly, the department has significantly reduced

[2:17:19] its original funding request and is actively pursuing additional grant

[2:17:23] opportunities in regional consolidation efforts to establish a more sustainable

[2:17:27] funding model. If these efforts are successful,

[2:17:29] the county's financial contrib.

[2:17:31] May be substantially reduced or perhaps not needed at all. However,

[2:17:35] until those funds funding sources are secured,

[2:17:38] I believe we have a responsibility to ensure these important services are not

[2:17:42] lost.

[2:17:43] This is not a request for indefinite financial commitment.

[2:17:46] It is a request to establish a temporary bridge to protect essential services,

[2:17:51] while the department works towards long term financial stability.

[2:17:55] With that in mind, I would like to make the following motion.

[2:17:58] I move that the finance and Administration committee direct the

[2:18:01] county administrator.

[2:18:02] In this capacity as county budget officers.

[2:18:05] To identify and recommend a means of including two $100,

[2:18:08] 000 in available bridge funding for the Portland County Workforce Development

[2:18:13] Department in the proposed 2027 county budget to preserve essential workforce

[2:18:18] training, employment assistance and youth work

[2:18:21] experience programs impacted by reductions in federal funding. I.

[2:18:25] Further move that the county administrator work with the department to

[2:18:29] assess additional grant funding and regional consolidation opportunities with

[2:18:33] the understanding.

[2:18:34] The county's contribution should be reduced or eliminated to the extent that

[2:18:38] alternative funding becomes available and is sufficient to sustain these services.

[2:18:43] This approach protects critical workforce development programs while ensuring that

[2:18:47] county taxpayer dollars are used only to the extent necessary.

[2:18:51] We may not be able to control the decisions being made in Washington,

[2:18:55] but we can control how we respond to the consequences here in Portland County.

[2:19:00] All of that language included in your action.

[2:19:04] I will not only send that to you, OK. So prior to moving on that request,

[2:19:10] I'd like to move into the construction.

[2:19:13] We do have a motion number.

[2:19:15] There's no second, and I'm asking you to remove the

[2:19:18] executive session. If you want to move to executive session.

[2:19:23] Yeah. What is the purpose of executive session?

[2:19:27] Well, it's time motion before the and then we

[2:19:30] can ask what we consider your motion.

[2:19:33] In this full time that we have to move towards and what do that or?

[2:19:39] That's fine. You don't have to read it.

[2:19:43] You don't have to read it again.

[2:19:46] All right. We have a motion to go to executive

[2:19:48] session, I believe for the purposes of.

[2:19:53] The potential appointment or devotion of a particular person.

[2:19:58] I have a second by Mr. Cleveland.

[2:20:00] Thanks.

[2:20:02] Description I'll say hi.

[2:20:06] To the caption on 1168.

[2:40:47] The executive session at 11:36.

[2:40:50] To make the best of the future.

[2:41:27] Yeah.

[2:41:45] This afternoon, the agents.

[2:42:43] Appropriately grant.

[2:42:46] That's funny.

[2:44:26] So we have a motion on the table.

[2:44:30] Please making my move that the finance and Administration Committee, director,

[2:44:34] county administrator's capacity is county budget officers identify and recommend

[2:44:38] and meet, including two $100, 000 in available bridge funding.

[2:44:46] For the Portland County Workforce Development Department in the proposed

[2:44:50] 2027 county budget to preserve essential workforce training,

[2:44:53] employment assistance and youth work experience programs impacting reductions

[2:44:57] impacted by reductions in federal funding and further moved to the county

[2:45:01] administrator work with the department to assess additional grant.

[2:45:04] Funding and regional consolidation opportunities with the understanding that

[2:45:07] the county's contribution shall be reduced or eliminated.

[2:45:11] The extent that alternative funding becomes available in a sufficient to

[2:45:13] sustain these services.

[2:45:19] I'll 2nd.

[2:45:23] Discussion.

[2:45:27] Motion is to correct the administrative.

[2:45:32] Research not proving.

[2:45:36] No, hear that right.

[2:45:37] Identify and recommend the means of including 200,000.

[2:45:41] But if he doesn't, then.

[2:45:45] He's saying go and go find money.

[2:45:53] Going to make $1,000, 000 problems and make 100.

[2:46:00] At this moment.

[2:46:03] I believe that there is possibility.

[2:46:07] I can't.

[2:46:07] I can't hear you.

[2:46:08] I'm sorry. I sorry. Can I go?

[2:46:14] Or.

[2:46:17] I think that he has no time to prove that that I'm uncomfortable.

[2:46:22] If any song at this moment, because I will be able to choose songs.

[2:46:29] So for for my purposes, I do not need to support it until I

[2:46:33] actually hear what exactly is needed.

[2:46:36] In order to promote.

[2:46:39] The business.

[2:46:42] This business can you can you offer an explanation to the committee as to why

[2:46:48] the 200 it it's 200,000 now not for 400, 000.

[2:46:51] So in previous iteration of the budget that we presented.

[2:46:57] I don't know how long it's been now.

[2:47:00] But funding that we would normally put in our newness budget.

[2:47:05] Is funding that we project right because we don't get our funding until?

[2:47:13] April may somewhere in there for the majority of our grants,

[2:47:18] so therefore all the years that I've been doing this, we use January.

[2:47:26] To sorry, July to June numbers.

[2:47:30] And we stretch them out. So January to June,

[2:47:33] we know what those numbers are.

[2:47:35] From July to December, we have to really use those same figures.

[2:47:42] But forecasting what goes next six months might look like, right?

[2:47:47] And with the help of our financial oversight folks, our Department of Labor,

[2:47:52] we did that with this particular budget. The last budget we did,

[2:47:57] we wrapped off the we owe a number.

[2:47:59] We left off the tan of number.

[2:48:01] We did not include any grants that we didn't already have secured.

[2:48:05] Which are those grants?

[2:48:07] I mean, we don't get that and we haven't already

[2:48:10] gotten the Micron grant.

[2:48:11] We haven't already gotten some of those other smaller there's there's.

[2:48:17] Ticket to work? Money.

[2:48:18] There's some other stuff in there that we recently been awarded which has brought

[2:48:24] that number down and we've now included the we owe a portion and the tenant

[2:48:30] portion in that in budget because.

[2:48:35] We're gonna get it.

[2:48:36] We just don't know.

[2:48:36] We're gonna keep it flat for now. Not knowing what we didn't know this year

[2:48:41] we were gonna get a cup.

[2:48:43] So we have to think about that when the time comes and what we're looking at.

[2:48:49] But we're we're OK with our money.

[2:48:50] From now until June, we're just we have to use,

[2:48:54] I said to Diane, who's our former B& T director for years.

[2:49:00] We've all said the phrase we have to use our crystal ball from.

[2:49:04] That's our inside joke in the in the department that from July to December,

[2:49:09] that's what we have to use because that's our funding rolls in from the fence.

[2:49:15] Thank you.

[2:49:16] Does that make sense?

[2:49:20] Oh, so when you when I met a month or two ago

[2:49:24] sounded like a $100,000 problem then.

[2:49:27] Since then it went up and now it's up to 400 or 600.

[2:49:30] Now it's well because I didn't have any of that. Those numbers,

[2:49:34] we didn't include any of those numbers in the previous budget that I had included

[2:49:38] before.

[2:49:38] Now we're looking at, I mean, if everything stays the same as we move

[2:49:44] forward and no consolidation happens.

[2:49:47] With the Cayuga, Oswego, Portland.

[2:49:50] And whoever.

[2:49:52] Then we're OK. Status quo from now until June.

[2:49:55] The thing we're missing from June from January to June,

[2:49:59] is training dollars for the constituents, for the people of the Community,

[2:50:04] training dollars for our youth participants.

[2:50:08] In the past, we've funded about, we've spent about 100 and some $1000 in

[2:50:15] training.

[2:50:17] Arnolds thanks. Keeping in mind that that 100 and some

[2:50:21] $1000 is over the course of the program here July to June.

[2:50:28] So that 100, 000 wouldn't be from January to June,

[2:50:32] it would be a portion of that, right?

[2:50:38] Thanks and I'm hoping if I may continue, just to give you a little background,

[2:50:43] I sent you all an e-mail and let yesterday kind of explaining this.

[2:50:48] There's there will be a consolidation that happens.

[2:50:52] There will be.

[2:50:53] It has to be in the states, not allowing us to be a single county

[2:50:56] area.

[2:50:56] There will be a consolidation that happens.

[2:50:58] I don't know what that consolidation will look like. What I can tell you is.

[2:51:03] We will be better off financially when we do consolidate.

[2:51:08] With whomever we consolidated with.

[2:51:14] That makes sense.

[2:51:18] So for me I it's fairly hard for me to make a decision because as soon as the

[2:51:25] budget announced I was now this is the budget that we've got.

[2:51:32] And until I've got a determination that this really is what is acceptable in

[2:51:37] terms of the short term.

[2:51:42] I'm I'm still afraid of decision.

[2:51:43] I'm encouraged.

[2:51:44] We have an estimate of the work as quickly as possible.

[2:51:47] This is Darrin.

[2:51:49] With this program, we need to verify the issues.

[2:51:51] We need to make sure that everything that was being presented actually is accurate,

[2:51:56] and we're since been a lot of variation.

[2:51:58] Maybe beyond our control, but there seems to be a lot of variation

[2:52:02] that have led to various estimates as to what this program is.

[2:52:06] I can't say that I can't, but you know, great confidence in having said this is

[2:52:11] worth a mask.

[2:52:13] I wish I could say so for me. I can't support it at the moment.

[2:52:16] The budget consists.

[2:52:17] The new budget was just revised budget for workforce training facilities and

[2:52:22] county welfare, and I think we're going to there already

[2:52:25] seems to be some discrepancies between what was submitted.

[2:52:29] So we got to know the figures on until I'm prepared to make a decision on the

[2:52:34] investment. Once I have it, I'm pairing it. I guess we have.

[2:52:40] I'll agree with you.

[2:52:46] When when that's the only?

[2:52:49] Discussion. I will just remind us we got in our

[2:52:52] packets, you know last month you know quite a list

[2:52:56] of local support for the important work of workforce development and I did.

[2:53:01] Budgets can be a little weird.

[2:53:04] The public government has not helped in any of this for this year and going

[2:53:07] forward.

[2:53:09] But all that aside.

[2:53:12] I fundamentally believe that if we're going to continue to maintain growth and

[2:53:16] continue to do things.

[2:53:17] Kevin, you've asked us on the, on the floor of the legislature for all

[2:53:21] of us to think about doing things differently when it came to oxy tax and

[2:53:26] moving things forward and having a better vision. I think the the important place,

[2:53:30] one of the important places where we.

[2:53:32] Put forward our vision of the future is in workforce development, making sure.

[2:53:37] Our use.

[2:53:38] And people who lose their jobs in this county have an ability to find new

[2:53:42] opportunities. And with Micron to the north of US,

[2:53:44] battery development to the South of us, we're in a unique position.

[2:53:48] But if we lose this ability to continue to do that.

[2:53:53] We're hobbling our future potential growth. I mean,

[2:53:55] why have Micron here if we're like we don't have a workforce that we're

[2:53:59] preparing for what that's gonna look like, you know, we have TC3.

[2:54:03] That's a part of the overall package we have planning.

[2:54:06] That's a part of the solution.

[2:54:07] Workforce is another important part of it.

[2:54:10] And while yes, the numbers are always going to be in the

[2:54:13] air because we don't know grant funding for half the year,

[2:54:17] I think it behooves us to put into our budget a $200,

[2:54:20] 000 bridge that gives the administrator the opportunity to look to bring that.

[2:54:25] Down as Amy works with other counties to consolidate and maybe by the end of this

[2:54:30] we come out, but we don't actually need to invest it.

[2:54:33] But budget is a worst case scenario and I would like us to put forward a worst case

[2:54:39] scenario plan of $200, 000 to make sure that this doesn't go

[2:54:42] away in Courtland County.

[2:54:45] Leave it at that.

[2:54:48] I can honestly if you can tell you if I may,

[2:54:50] but my friend there will be more money coming from Micron.

[2:54:54] I just don't.

[2:54:55] I can't tell you when again like it's that's that's been my life that's been

[2:54:59] our lives.

[2:55:02] For oh, you're forever right.

[2:55:04] Like we, we don't know.

[2:55:06] And it's it's very difficult, Heather.

[2:55:09] I don't know how she does it, but she has 27 budgets on her desk.

[2:55:12] At any given time, at any given year.

[2:55:15] And that's just how we function like. That's just we have to move stuff we have

[2:55:20] to. But as we see opportunity come to us, that's what was saying.

[2:55:24] We have a plenty of opportunity coming and center state CEO is as much as

[2:55:29] they're they're doing. They keep giving us opportunity and I

[2:55:34] will keep bringing that in.

[2:55:37] Sumi Cortland has told me on numerous occasions they're working on another

[2:55:41] grant opportunity that they would like us to partner with them.

[2:55:45] Being that we were gonna be eventually living together, we call it,

[2:55:50] then that's great opportunities, right?

[2:55:55] I wish I had a better answer for you.

[2:55:57] I really do as Moe said.

[2:56:01] I would like to think that this $200, 000 is literally a bridge in hopes that

[2:56:06] the bridge doesn't get completely washed out by the federal government.

[2:56:10] I mean, that's the only thing I can say.

[2:56:13] Then we're all gonna be in trouble, right?

[2:56:15] Yeah. Then we would reevaluate that when the

[2:56:18] time comes, obviously.

[2:56:21] So again, for me, I I really need to know if my bigger as

[2:56:25] we still.

[2:56:28] Session our budget deficit as a moment is 860, six 927 dollars.

[2:56:33] That's for power.

[2:56:35] That's for power, accounting for any investment in

[2:56:38] worldwide training. If we put an investment in workforce

[2:56:41] training.

[2:56:41] About 200,000.

[2:56:43] That brings us over $1,000,000, a deficit that we have growing.

[2:56:48] Of closing that gap at the moment, there are new proposals on the table to

[2:56:52] close that gap in.

[2:56:55] OK, so so for me, I really need to know what the truth is

[2:57:00] that we're being asked to invest in, in terms of having funding.

[2:57:05] I don't believe I know that at the moment and that's the one I'm asking.

[2:57:11] Simply on the specific, I just couldn't do it. June Friday, right?

[2:57:15] Yeah. I I I don't agree with this.

[2:57:19] So the the 13 percent.

[2:57:23] That we're at right now and now we're at 200,000 below that.

[2:57:29] 200,000 more below that.

[2:57:31] How long can we be there?

[2:57:35] I.

[2:57:35] I don't know the policy language exactly though.

[2:57:38] I'm just curious if this is a policy thing.

[2:57:41] Thank Lord we go.

[2:57:45] It's a policy thing, and it's not the policy state.

[2:57:51] No, I mean the policy just states that if it

[2:57:53] dipped below it, that we work in the next budget cycle to

[2:57:55] try and get it back up.

[2:57:56] Yeah, it's it's not.

[2:58:00] You know, it's not a set in stone.

[2:58:01] It has to be a 13%, but the policy does say that we will work

[2:58:05] to get it back up if it's.

[2:58:09] Doesn't also reach a rating provider.

[2:58:11] Does it factors into your visual stress towards yeah, yes it does.

[2:58:15] I don't know what not, but 13% it does not.

[2:58:18] But you're you're you're fund balance.

[2:58:21] Yes, that does. And that is as a whole.

[2:58:23] So there's a lot of other things in there.

[2:58:25] The 13% doesn't.

[2:58:27] I mean, that's just our policy.

[2:58:28] It doesn't mean anything to anybody else except for for an accountant,

[2:58:34] and it's based on an actual numbers which the budget is not so.

[2:58:39] It could go up. You don't know.

[2:58:41] I mean, you know in 27 depending what happens if

[2:58:44] we, we miraculously end up with more revenue,

[2:58:46] we might not end up being below it in the end. In the end, I'm sorry about that.

[2:58:51] But I just think that that's government for us, right? It's not an.

[2:58:55] Actual number.

[2:58:57] To her point, I just wanted to say that that's what I'm

[2:59:00] dealing with on her channel basis.

[2:59:02] Like it's not an actual number.

[2:59:04] I mean, it's not saying their guidelines, they're not.

[2:59:13] Oh, I mean in my discussion so, so I am unwilling to support this at this

[2:59:19] time.

[2:59:19] Have an opportunity to get these figures to figure out what I'm sure is.

[2:59:27] That's fair enough.

[2:59:34] We'll say aye.

[2:59:36] All right then. Sure.

[2:59:43] OK.

[2:59:43] So it's going to be 3.

[2:59:48] We're going to now use it now because it's now it's a majority of Members

[2:59:52] passed that I guess I would tie it to.

[2:59:58] Something that doesn't mean that there's been the same.

[3:00:02] Let me know if you also have readers and comments and questions.

[3:00:10] That's what you're there's no action taken, right?

[3:00:15] Still, it's still 3.

[3:00:18] Kevin makes a decision at the same time Kevin have an opportunity to bring the

[3:00:22] time if he wants to. If he chooses to do so.

[3:00:26] All right.

[3:00:33] I mean, I support the Michael Bloom.

[3:00:37] I wanna stress that the record no decision has been made just because it's

[3:00:43] remarkable.

[3:00:45] Right.

[3:00:48] Any other messages?

[3:00:48] As I said, we're still 860, six, $947, 000 short. So that being said,

[3:00:54] says budget Commission one a week or two and it's either gonna be 90% tax increase

[3:01:02] or general fund.

[3:01:03] Goes down by almost $1,000,000.

[3:01:06] I mean that's that's that's gonna have to.

[3:01:10] Solution. I'll be in office solution.

[3:01:12] I legally have to thank you about budget, right?

[3:01:17] Yeah.

[3:01:20] OK. Any other topics for this?

[3:01:25] I apologize.

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