[9:18] Mr. Patterson, you may have already seen this, but I think Councilmember Moore is on attendees instead of panelists.

[9:28] And wait a minute, there he is. You're already on top of it. Thank you.

[11:54] I'm going to check in with City Manager O'Bid to see if staff if we're ready to go tonight.

[11:59] Thank you, Mayor. We are ready to go. All right. With that then, I'd like to welcome everybody to our regular joint meeting with the County City Council and the successor agency.

[12:09] to the former Catholic community redevelopment agent for Tuesday, June 28, 2022.

[12:18] And with that, I'll jump right to number two, because we have a really full agenda tonight.

[12:21] And ask our city clerk if we could have a role in calls for this.

[12:25] Council Member Ford.

[12:30] Here.

[12:31] Council Member Moore.

[12:35] Council Member Sparks.

[12:37] Here.

[12:38] Vice Mayor Harvey.

[12:40] Here.

[12:41] Mayor Landman.

[12:44] All right, and before we move on, I've been asked the city manager if you take just a moment.

[12:50] Introduce the members of the staff we're joining us tonight.

[12:55] Bear, members of the council.

[12:57] So, myself, Damien Ovid, the manager, of course.

[13:00] We also have Michael Parrich here, our chief of police, Angela Coder, our director of administrative services.

[13:07] Craig Scott, our director of public work.

[13:09] City Engineer, Noah Houch, our Directorate's new development.

[13:14] We also have VP Harry here who is our senior planner and then John Walker, our city attorney.

[13:22] And then, last but not least, we have Kevin Patterson, our Deputy Secretary Clark, and Sherry Brown.

[13:30] And that is it, man.

[13:33] Excellent.

[13:33] Well, thank you very much.

[13:34] And next, I will ask everyone to join me in the pledge of allegiance.

[13:39] I pledge allegiance to the flag, to the flag of the United States of America, and to the public, for which it stands, one nation, on nation.

[13:53] Under God.

[13:54] Indivisible.

[13:55] Indivisible.

[13:56] With liberty and justice.

[14:01] All right.

[14:02] That brings us to item number four.

[14:04] This is an action item.

[14:05] And this is approval of the minutes and notice of waiting,

[14:08] a reading of all resolutions and ordinances introduced,

[14:11] and or adopted under this agenda.

[14:14] So I'll begin by asking first if there's any additions

[14:17] or corrections for the minutes from the council.

[14:21] Mayor, sorry, there's no minutes to tap on this item.

[14:27] That's going to make that real easy for the council to thank you.

[14:29] This was happens when we have an 880 page back.

[14:34] All right,

[14:37] so with that then we move right to item five, which is a little reading for me.

[14:41] We have some announcements tonight.

[14:42] We'll ask you to bear with me.

[14:45] And we'll begin with a meeting orientation for new attendees and viewers.

[14:49] And could form into the Brown Act and the adopted City Council rules.

[14:53] The meeting agenda includes items, labels, action items, which where the City Council will consider the item.

[15:00] Citizens are for the opportunity to write comments relevant to the item being discussed. The meeting

[15:06] agenda also includes a citizens' business item, which is the designated place in the agenda,

[15:11] where citizens have the right to say whatever they wish. The city council may, or may not,

[15:17] choose to respond to comments as the government go to laws. However, if the city council declines

[15:23] respond, it should not be perceived as giving credence to, or agreeing with any statements

[15:28] that the City Council, or its members might believe or incorrect, misinformed, or purposefully

[15:34] boxed.

[15:36] Next, measure S, of a variety of recreation programs for all ages, and the means of our

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[16:41] of the city's website,

[16:43] and our social media channels, including Facebook,

[16:45] this ground next door. And this takes us to our next side, which is a

[16:51] proclamation. And we do have a proclamation this week, up from zero

[16:54] waste cinema, and this is an important in support of the North Bay zero

[16:58] waste week. And I will read this, and I believe we have a representative,

[17:03] I believe, Ms. Cushlawos here from zero waste to speak as well.

[17:08] So I'll

[17:08] begin by this. Proclamation of the city council of the city of

[17:14] and support of North Bay zero waste week, July 24th through 30th, 2022.

[17:22] Whereas the city of Qatar, yes, we've heard of the zero waste cinema, the ZWS, which is a joint hours of thought.

[17:28] The mission of the ZWS, his waste of urge required by state law A.B., 9.9.

[17:34] ZWS programs include hazardous household hazardous waste, composting, zero waste planning,

[17:42] policy and education, and whereas the U.S. EPA has estimated to 50% of all greenhouse gas

[17:50] emissions are caused by the extraction, the production, transportation, and use of goods

[17:56] including food, products and packaging, and that zero waste minimizes the GHD production

[18:02] and therefore supports Sonoma County's climate initiative.

[18:06] And we're asked in 2020, so no making any residents and businesses sent, 423, 648.58 tons to the landfill, generating approximately 105,000 tons of carbon dioxide.

[18:23] That was 2020.

[18:24] Equivalent from Geek Compote Composing, an organic matter, and whereas the short-mift climate

[18:30] pollutants reduction act of 2016, SB 138883, requires a 20% reduction available food waste by 2025,

[18:39] and a 40% reduction in methane levels by 2030, and whereas the jurisdictions in Sonoma County

[18:45] have a collectively adopted reachable gold or waste reduction reuse and recycle. These goals are stated

[18:52] from the Countywide Integrated Waste Management Plan,

[18:55] as well as in the Sonoma County Regional Climate Action.

[19:00] Whereas the Sonoma County Central Landfill,

[19:03] a very valuable resource worth preserving,

[19:06] as a remaining capacity of 23 years.

[19:09] And whereas, in the ways principles,

[19:12] in accordance with Cal Recycles, California Department

[19:16] of Resources, Recycling, Recovery is zero waste hierarchy.

[19:20] promotes the highest and best use of materials, emphasizing the closed loop system of production and consumption,

[19:26] and move in a logical element, increments towards the goal, a reducing waste generation and landfill disposal,

[19:33] by more than 90% through improving downstream reuse, and recycling unit of life products and materials to ensure the highest and best use.

[19:43] By pursuing upstream redesign strategies to reduce the volume and toxicity to discarded products and materials and promote less wasteful lifestyles, fostering and supporting the use of discarded products and materials to simulate and drive local economic workforce development.

[20:03] And finally, by preserving land for sustainable development and green industry infrastructure.

[20:08] And whereas, a resource recovery based economy will create as the same more productive, meaningful jobs than a disposal based economy.

[20:17] And whereas, the city of Katadi has assumed a leadership role by setting zero waste as a goal, and on September 10th, 2019 adopted a zero waste resolution that sets a goal of zero waste by 2030.

[20:31] But now, therefore, be a proclaimed on the 28th day of June 2022, by the City of

[20:38] Patence, the City Council of the City of Katari, that the City encourages the pursuit

[20:43] of zero waste.

[20:43] As a long-term goal in order to eliminate waste and pollution in the manufacturing, use

[20:48] storage and recycling materials.

[20:51] This goal can be achieved through action plans and measures to significantly reduce waste

[20:56] and pollution.

[20:57] These measures will include encouragement of residents, businesses, and agencies to judiciously

[21:03] use reuse and recycling materials and motivation of businesses to manufacture and market

[21:09] less toxic and more durable from a pair of reusable, recycled, and recyclable products.

[21:16] And now, therefore, the City Council, the City Catodied, does here by Brooklyn, July 24th

[21:22] through the 30th or 2022 Zero Waste Week.

[21:26] So with that, I will ask if our representative from Zero Ways would like to expand on that and have any words to share with us tonight.

[21:33] And welcome her.

[21:35] Thank you.

[21:36] I want to thank the City of Katati on behalf of Zero Ways Sonoma.

[21:40] This acknowledgement of the inaugural week of Zero Ways Action is meaningful and appreciated.

[21:46] Zero Ways Sonoma.

[21:47] Recology, Sonoma Marin, Saluna Outreach Solutions, Sonoma Water, UCCE, Master Food Preservers,

[21:55] and Master Compostors, the Reus Alliance, Zeroway, USA, Sonoma County Library, and Sonoma Village,

[22:03] have been working together with many other community partners to offer a full week of events

[22:07] throughout Sonoma County July 24th through the 30th. I invite all to visit zerowaysnorthbay.org to see

[22:14] the full event listing and registered for this symposium.

[22:18] Thank you.

[22:19] And thank you for taking time to be here tonight

[22:21] and for all the work you do

[22:22] and this is our other important area.

[22:25] First, check with the council and see if any of my colleagues

[22:27] have any questions or comments they'd like to make.

[22:32] And if not, then I will, since we have had a little back and forth

[22:35] and rest of our commission.

[22:36] This is not an action item, but we will open to public comment

[22:40] right after the Vice Mayor has a chance to meet the comment

[22:43] because I see her hand up.

[22:45] Thank you, Mayor.

[22:46] I just want to thank the staff at zero waste for putting together this week. I know that a lot of

[22:54] people work very hard together. This is the inaugural week and there is a lot of activities. So please check

[23:02] them out and I would also like to welcome Katherine. She's one of our newest members to the staff

[23:11] and thank you for being here and please check out all the things that we'll be going on during that week.

[23:19] Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Vice Mayor. All right, with that, if we could ask our Deputy

[23:24] City Clerk to check and see if we have any public comments on this.

[23:29] Thank you, Mayor. Speaking to our attendees tonight, if you'd like to make a public comment,

[23:33] please use the raise hand icon. If you're dialing in, dial star 9.

[23:43] Mayor Landman, that will end

[23:44] public comment. All right. Well, thank you. Well, then we're bringing it back to Council. We're moving next to our next item, which side is up? This was approval of the final agenda. This is two as an action item. So I'll just simply begin by asking the city manager if we have any changes to the agenda tonight. Thank you, Mayor. No proposed changes may. All right. Now, this is largely ministerial, but since it's listed as an action item, we will ask to see if we have any public comments.

[24:12] If anybody would like to make a public comment, please use your raise hand icon.

[24:22] Mayor Landman, that will end public comment.

[24:25] Okay, then without any objections from my colleagues at the council, the final agenda is approved.

[24:30] And we can move on to item eight, which is citizen's business and public comment for consent calendar items.

[24:37] And once again, please bear with me, I have a paragraph to read to.

[24:41] Any member of the public wishing you speak to the council on any items where item listed

[24:46] on the consent calendar or any matter of matters, not listed on the agenda that are within

[24:52] the subject matter jurisdiction of the council, may do so at this time, a pursuant

[24:57] to the Brown Act, the council is not allowed to consider issues or take action in any item,

[25:02] not listed in the agenda during the spirit.

[25:05] For soon to the City Council policy, 2021-01, comments of any member of the public are normally

[25:11] restricted to a total of three minutes and length per person, for matters not on the agenda,

[25:17] and the total of three minutes per person and length per day, and all items on the consent

[25:21] counter.

[25:23] And as always, the Mayor may extend the time limit for a reasonable time where disability,

[25:26] accommodation, has been requested.

[25:29] And with that, I'll ask our Deputy City Clerk if we have any citizens' business or consent

[25:34] calendar I have comments tonight.

[25:37] Thank you, Mayor Landman.

[25:39] That's speaking to our attendees.

[25:40] If you'd like to make a public comment,

[25:41] please use your raise hand icon.

[25:50] Mayor Landman, that will end public comment.

[25:53] Okay.

[25:54] So this then takes us to our consent count.

[25:57] We have nine items.

[25:59] A few.

[26:00] Excuse me.

[26:00] And I'll begin tonight by asking if any council member wishes to pull any item.

[26:07] And seeing no hands, then I will look to see if somebody would like to move

[26:11] passing this, and somebody would like to second.

[26:13] Move to approve the consent calendar.

[26:16] To be able to motion from Vice Mayor Harvey, do I have a second?

[26:19] At the second.

[26:20] And second from Council Member Ford.

[26:22] Do we have a roll call, though, please?

[26:25] Council Member Ford.

[26:27] Yes.

[26:28] Council Member More.

[26:30] Yes.

[26:32] Council Member Sparks.

[26:34] Yes.

[26:35] Vice Mayor Harvey.

[26:36] Yes.

[26:37] Mayor Landman.

[26:39] Yes. All right. That takes us to quite a bit. And brings us to item 10, which is direction

[26:49] on the future agenda. And I'll ask if any of my colleagues have anything they'd like

[26:53] to propose for future agenda item tonight.

[27:00] Right. I'm not saying anything. I do have something

[27:02] I'd like to bring for. As we all do, now I have gone through the city manager process

[27:08] and the item that I want to suggest is, unfortunately, a little large and little complex to

[27:13] currently fit in right now. So it will have to be added to the future to the next available budget

[27:20] or mid-year hearing, perhaps longer.

[27:24] But basically what I want to ask for us to consider tonight

[27:28] is that we revisit Katadies' mobile home park rent stabilization ordinance.

[27:33] So, very briefly, not to get deeply into it, but that currently we do have a rent-stabilization

[27:39] ordinance, which we've had for many years, and it's based on basically holding this price

[27:45] to the cost of living in a piece of San Francisco CPI, a hundred percent of it.

[27:51] But interestingly enough, I recently found that Ethan San Francisco who also has a rent-stabilization

[27:56] ordinance doesn't use a hundred percent of their CPI.

[28:00] They use 75% and this was brought to my attention by one of our colleagues in the county from the city of Sierra Rosa who's city discussed this during their housing element earlier this year and it is calling

[28:13] Calling out making the change to moving their housing ordinance to 75%

[28:18] A lot of reasons for that which but I won't get into night, but I think we should too

[28:23] many good reasons for this to support it. One reason I will, this is not my major motivation but it's worth mentioning this may also be part or useful for our housing

[28:35] level in action to protect lower cost, housing availability, so there's that as well. So at any rate, I just want to ask for that and if there's no objection and that can go back burner and I suspect by the time we see it, I will be here with you.

[28:49] I don't think Councilmember Moore will either,

[28:52] but I hope you'll take a good look at that.

[28:54] And hopefully we can do something to help help

[28:56] in this one area of contiring,

[28:58] where we have not been able to do something for some years.

[29:02] So I'm not seeing nodding heads.

[29:04] I'm not seeing any hands go up.

[29:05] I'm seeing a thumbs up that I'll see how it's good.

[29:08] You're Mr. Moore.

[29:08] I see your hand up.

[29:09] Is that a thumbs up or is there something you want to briefly say?

[29:12] Thank you, Mayor Lam, and I was just going to say

[29:14] that I would also support an agenda item on that as well.

[29:18] You're going to get, well, thank you, Council. So, so, and apologies to staff that's another one

[29:23] big, big thing put in your lap, but we'll have some serious help from Santa Rosa.

[29:28] And you certainly should have all the time necessary to deal with. So, hopefully that will work well.

[29:33] So, that brings us next to our public hearings at which we have four tonight and we'll begin with our

[29:38] first one, which is item 118. And this is a public hearing on a potential chance station

[29:43] also feel a band for the city of Pertari. So I'll ask if we could have our staff report on this

[29:49] please. Thank you, Mayor Lamon. Members of the council, my name is J. B. Harris. I'm a senior player

[29:55] with the city of Pertari.

[29:59] And tonight is...

[30:00] The agenda item 11A, begins on package page 202, and as the mayor noted, this is consideration of an ordinance that would prohibit fossil fuel sales for vehicles, otherwise known as a gas station ban.

[30:18] Next slide, please.

[30:21] Before I get into details, let me just tell you what the proposed ordinance does.

[30:26] It would prohibit new and expanded service nation infrastructure that stores, conveys and

[30:32] dispenses, fossil fuels, to vehicles.

[30:36] It would limit existing service station modifications to those that would one and prove

[30:41] soil groundwater and storm water quality, improve traffic, safety, enable battery charging

[30:49] stations and provide for other commercial uses that are not related to fossil fuels sounds,

[30:56] something like fooding and store, for example.

[31:01] Excuse me, also clarifies the approval requirements and permissible locations for battery

[31:07] charging stations, which is essentially city-wide, which we'll discuss.

[31:12] And it defines specialized terms, including an amendment to the land use title service station

[31:18] that to clarify that they are limited only to non fossil fuels sales next slide please.

[31:28] So just some by way of backgrounds and local actions that that causes us to bring this ordinance forward

[31:35] which will and importantly from 2001 to 2022 the city has been extremely assertive in its

[31:45] And it's actions and goals and strategies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and on page 270 of your packet, I have an exam at that goes through a laundry list of items like this city is undertaken.

[32:00] And I don't even think the list is complete, but it but it's a it's a good shot and and anyway, it's something to be proud of.

[32:08] And then in March 2021, Petta Luma gained pretty much international news recognition because

[32:16] of their ban on future gas stations, as far as we know, it's the first and the nation could do so.

[32:24] Following that, there is a voice, a lot of interest from a lot of other jurisdictions and

[32:30] the totality included that they also wanted to see similar proposals come before in the city council.

[32:41] And part of that resulted in an RCPA with a regional climate protection authority of Sonoma County adopted Resolution 2021-003 in September of 2021 and that recommended that the county and all incorporated jurisdictions.

[32:59] and sees processing of applications for and permitting of new gas stations or expansions

[33:05] of existing gas stations and their local jurisdictions.

[33:10] Following that meeting, during a city council discussion on community development priorities

[33:16] and commitments, the city council affirmed that they wanted to have a gas station ban

[33:23] as it was priority for the council for this fiscal year, 2021-22 and then just by just

[33:34] so that you wear others local North Bay communities, if it's a possible road of park,

[33:40] Calestoga, American Canyon, have also gone on this path of adopting gas station bands.

[33:47] Next slide, please.

[33:52] What this work has does is it targets the transportation sector, which is overwhelmingly

[33:57] the largest contributor to greenhouse gases. Right now that California has 2022 climate change

[34:07] scope plan, which is still in its draft form, is showing that transportation impacts statewide

[34:16] result in 40% of the greenhouse gas emissions.

[34:22] In Sonoma County, that rises up to 60%.

[34:26] So it's a good by far the most significant contributor

[34:29] of greenhouse gas emissions.

[34:31] And within the city of Katali, that number is even higher

[34:34] because we don't have fertilizer and livestock contributions

[34:38] and our solid waste tends to be caught up in the transportation sector.

[34:43] So, transportation is overwhelming the largest contributor of greenhouse gas emissions in the city, and is a good area to target for reductions.

[34:56] Next slide, please.

[34:59] This is where there are five, currently five service stations in Kentucky and another 11 in Rona Park.

[35:08] So there's a abundance of gas station, those arcs around it,

[35:13] show basically a five minute drive from each gas station.

[35:17] And so you could see that there's nobody that is burden by not being close to a gas station.

[35:24] we have plenty. And when you get there, the lines are not long. It's very simple to get

[35:30] cash here. It's not a problem. Next slide, please.

[35:37] Additionally, regional climate protection authority adopted in March of 2021. The climate

[35:43] mobilization strategy. This is a guidance document for the city. And it has an overall goal

[35:50] of carbon, attaining carbon neutrality by 2030.

[35:56] This is much more aggressive than the state school,

[35:58] current state goal, which is 2045.

[36:02] And then within that strategy,

[36:04] an important strategy strategy four,

[36:06] which is EV access for all partnership,

[36:09] and it includes, I think it has four real objectives,

[36:14] but two of them are really salient for tonight.

[36:17] And that is work with regional partners

[36:19] and local businesses to develop over 10,000 public and workplace charging stations in Sonoma

[36:24] County by 2027 and to the most part when developing package of local ordinances and other

[36:33] actions to address remaining permitting barriers for installing charging equipment while also

[36:39] limiting permitting of new fossil fuel infrastructure.

[36:45] This ordinance was also consistent with

[36:47] state-wide executive orders, executive order B-4818, which was signed by the governor in 2018,

[36:55] calls for 5 million zero mission vehicles on California roads by 2030, 200 hydrogen stations, 250,000

[37:05] zero mission vehicle chargers, including 10,000 direct current fast chargers by 2025.

[37:12] It's also support executive order N7920 signed by Governor Newsom in 2020 and that targets carbon neutrality by 2045 and once 100% of in-state sales of new passenger vehicles to be zero mission by 2035 and 100% of medium and heavy duty vehicles to be zero mission by 2045.

[37:42] excuse me for all operations we're feasible and 2035 for

[37:48] drainage trucks, which are just short distance trucking.

[37:53] Next slide please.

[37:58] Our general plan includes a couple elements that are important

[38:02] to this objective CI 3A, which is part of the circulation element.

[38:08] Reduce is to reduce the levels of greenhouse gas emissions created by

[38:14] automobile traffic and katati. Also conservation element includes a objective

[38:19] con to be which is to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases from city

[38:24] operations and community sources. And then also we do have a climate action plan

[38:29] which is climate action 2020 and beyond and includes two goals that are important for

[38:35] tonight which is goal 5 is encourage a shift toward lower carbon transportation

[38:40] option and go 7 which is encourage a shift toward low carbon fuels and vehicles and equipment.

[38:50] Next slide please.

[38:54] So, I'm getting into the kind of the meet.

[38:58] We don't have a definition for gas station.

[39:01] We use the term service station and this is the definition.

[39:06] I mean, service station means a retail business selling gasoline and or other more vehicle fuels and related

[39:12] products. And then we're allowed by Article 2. It can also have other businesses associated

[39:19] such as a service station or vehicle services.

[39:25] And presently, gas service stations are allowed

[39:29] with use permit approval in four different zoning districts within the city. CE, which is the

[39:40] County Avenue, C.G., which is commercial gravestone highway, St.

[39:44] Thin, commercial corridor along gravestone highway, downtown commercial, which

[39:50] is one of a smattering of about 12 separate parcels that really surround the

[39:58] name streets around La Plaza, Sloan, Charles, and William,

[40:09] and

[40:09] about a dozen parcels that make up that. And I believe I'm not sure why they weren't incorporated

[40:14] into the downtown specific plan, but they weren't, and they remain there. And then we have

[40:20] Commerce Avenue, which is a district within the downtown specific plan. And it's only those

[40:26] businesses from El Rameshito, Great Work Commerce Avenue, starts north to the border with

[40:33] park so kind of ends up the splash car washer. So those are where service stations are currently permitted.

[40:43] Next slide, please.

[40:46] And this is an image. It's a partial map of Katati CG district.

[40:51] It's not well shown in here, but you know that's the orange side. The light pink, excuse me,

[40:57] by purple at the top is the CA district, and it's hard to see, but the pink around the

[41:06] name streets, but William, and Henry and Charles are where those CD parcels are located.

[41:15] And then of course, there's the red CE along with East Katariah,

[41:23] next slide, please.

[41:26] In addition to the zoning, there is a

[41:31] fairly decent section on the standards for service stations,

[41:36] and that includes permit and application requirements,

[41:39] the limitations on locations, site requirements, site planning standards,

[41:44] building design standards, facility operating standards,

[41:48] which kind of accessory uses our loud,

[41:50] and requirements for removal of the tanks and pumps upon a cessation of use or a change in

[41:58] use.

[42:01] And we are proposing an amendment to this section, which we'll discuss in a moment.

[42:07] Okay, next slide please.

[42:10] So the first thing that the ordinance does is that proposes

[42:14] to change the definition of service station to service station non-fal, so fuel sales

[42:22] And which means a retail business and then that provides electrical charging or fueling for vehicles, but does not include the sale or fossil fuels.

[42:33] New or expanded facilities to store conveyor dispense fossil fuels are prohibited.

[42:38] And then we highlight where allowed a service station may also include vehicle services, convenience stores and or other commercial uses, which are separately defined and regulated in the code.

[42:51] and separate lineings types.

[42:56] So, as you can see the strike out, so it's like a strike

[42:58] south, the gasoline, sales, and makes it an affirmative statement that fossil fuels are not allowed.

[43:08] Next slide, please. It also adds a large section to section 42, 180, 17.42, 180, excuse me.

[43:21] which, again, reiterates that the sale of fossil fuels for internal combustion engines is prohibited.

[43:28] And it discusses what that means and that includes pretty much all fossil fuels and gasoline, diesel, compressed natural gas.

[43:36] I ethanol, blans, propane, liquefied petroleum gas.

[43:42] And then it describes what can be done at service stations.

[43:47] So you can make modifications to improve the environment, through soil, water, storm, water, improvements.

[43:57] And in, of course, if there's any remediation that needs to be done, you can make changes to accomplish that.

[44:03] Modifications to improve traffic safety or pedestrian or any kind of vehicle and pedestrian improvements.

[44:11] And of course, if you wanted to add battery charging stations, I would be an allowable action.

[44:16] as well as we would consider changes that would incorporate commercial uses into service stations

[44:24] or other than, you know, the service station itself.

[44:31] And that would also, and they wouldn't include fossil fuels, so that's obviously next slide, please.

[44:40] Now, the other thing that does is the ordinance clarifies that charge in stations.

[44:47] There's nothing in the land use code that discusses electric vehicle charging station.

[44:52] So this just clarifies that they are allowed as a permitted accessory use in all zoning districts.

[44:59] All that's sitting.

[45:00] There's no district that would be exempt, or that would be excluded from allowing accessory charging stations.

[45:09] And that no use permit is required. The approval is discretionary. This is by state law.

[45:16] Unless there's a public health and safety matter that the building official identifies, they must be approved through a building permit, essentially.

[45:26] next slide, please. It also includes some new definitions of electric vehicle charging station

[45:34] is defined. Now I will note that this definition is in the Katari Municipal Code. It's

[45:40] actually in chapter I've come back to it. I think by 14 something, it has more of where

[45:46] the building, the building code, information is there. We've taken the same definition from

[45:51] section of the code and brought it forward into the land use code. So there's nothing new there,

[45:57] but we wanted it to be there, since it's now part of the allowable use tables,

[46:02] we need a definition, so we use the definition from chapter 14.

[46:08] And we're clarifying that

[46:10] the fuel dealer, this would be something where, you know, the propane sales, for example,

[46:15] that this is not, this ordinance is not intended to target those type of businesses,

[46:18] I'd sell propane in bulk, but it is simply limited to service stations.

[46:31] So that's a few of the other would be somebody like Nick Fale, for example.

[46:37] And with which this ordinance is not targeting, and we're just going to be clear about that.

[46:43] Next slide please.

[46:51] We brought this to the planning commission and we had the ordinance looked a little bit different than what is presented tonight and we had a really good discussion and I also had some discussions with

[47:06] ass, which is an advocacy group within Sonoma County that does want to see future gas stations

[47:15] in Sonoma County. And we worked on a few different ideas and changes to it. So the original

[47:22] ordinance had provisions for fuel and hydrogen fuel cell vehicles pretty much the public

[47:28] at spoke at the Planning Commission and the Planning Commission itself did not want to see

[47:33] the new provisions that kind of preferred that the ordinance is silent on this issue.

[47:38] There are problems that may present itself with hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and it's

[47:44] probably something we'll look at down the future. But for now, hydrogen fuel and it's just not

[47:50] a demand here. In fact, there's not a single hydrogen fuel cell facility in all of Sonoma County.

[47:56] And I believe only one in Mill Valley and Marin County, so, just not, just an exotic thing at this point.

[48:07] We had the, the originally, we were going to define staff proposed to define service station,

[48:16] with the parent medical alternative fuels only.

[48:20] The commission's preference was service station non fossil fuel cells.

[48:23] There was some nuance in this, but we understood it, and we were happy to make that change.

[48:30] And then at the same time, when we were looking at the zoning districts, where gas stations

[48:37] were allowed, or so the stations, CD just struck us, it was just an odd one because there's

[48:44] not a single parcel of those that I mentioned, that would be eligible to build the gas station

[48:49] because of the other restrictions on location, primarily location requirements.

[48:56] So our proposal was to just, well, let's just eliminate it from the CD district, since there's no feasible place for it to go anyway.

[49:04] So it's really, it was part of a cleanup.

[49:08] Now, we, that if we attempted to do, however, because of the proximity of certain commissioners,

[49:13] we couldn't get a quorum on that, so we didn't have a recommendation on that.

[49:16] And then, but I included it in the draft ordinance that originally went out when our city attorney reviewed the draft ordinance.

[49:34] Because we were, we didn't have a recommendation from the Planning Commission on this particular item and their recommendation was to remove it from the ordinance and we have.

[49:43] So the ordinance no longer includes a provision to eliminate it from the CD district.

[49:52] However, like I said before, there are no eligible parcels within the CD district.

[49:57] So it's kind of moved.

[50:00] And anyway, they unanimously adopted resolution,

[50:04] and number PC 2022-7 which is on package 2014 which recommended approval of this

[50:13] ordinance city council approval of this ordinance with the changes that I've highlighted here.

[50:21] And next slide please. And so the staff recommendation is a city council adoption of the

[50:28] proposed ordinance to provide provisions for electric will vehicle charging and to prohibit

[50:33] new or expanded service station facilities that store convey or dispense fossil fuels to

[50:39] be a close.

[50:41] And with that, I'm happy to answer any questions and hear any comments or changes like

[50:47] you'd like.

[50:49] Well, thank you very much.

[50:50] I'll take this to the council, and see who'd like to do with questions.

[50:53] And I see a hand from council number four as well as council members parts.

[50:58] Thanks, Nalan. Thanks, JP, for the presentation and for all the work on this. A couple of questions.

[51:07] Do we have any any parcels that have still valid use permits that aren't currently operating as a column gas stations?

[51:21] Should I actually just write away there?

[51:23] Yeah.

[51:24] Okay.

[51:24] Is that okay, Nalan?

[51:26] It would be fine.

[51:28] The only one, and I've done some research into it as part of a zoning research we get for the sale, but the splash car wash,

[51:38] right at the northern end of Commerce Avenue, used to have fuel pumps. Those were removed.

[51:45] I want to say, 2018, I believe they were removed and that sites under remediation currently.

[51:52] And reviewing it, I didn't find a use permit.

[51:56] I could find a lot of stuff related to the car wash.

[51:59] And I suspect that it's because that use was prior,

[52:03] it was existed prior to the city being incorporated.

[52:11] So I'm just trying to get at the question of whether there are any sites

[52:14] that might claim they had existing fuel services and could reactivate

[52:19] without being banned by this.

[52:23] So maybe that would count as expanded,

[52:26] expanded use or something like that that would be banned.

[52:29] Yeah, well, as far as I know, I mean that would be the only one

[52:35] that's really of any kind of question.

[52:37] But again, those pumps have been removed.

[52:39] Our ordinance doesn't include provisions if you stop fuel sales

[52:45] for a certain amount of time that you cannot reinstall that.

[52:49] Now, with that would be something that we would have to look at carefully, because it may

[52:54] conflict with certain laws regarding the rights that are granted when you receive a

[52:59] use permit.

[53:01] But if there's any, that would be the one.

[53:04] The other ones are long, it's English.

[53:07] OK.

[53:07] Thanks.

[53:10] And one other question about the definition of the EV charging station.

[53:14] I know you just pulled that forward from the building code.

[53:19] But it specifies plug-in electric vehicle

[53:22] and I'm curious about why there are other potential charging mechanisms

[53:27] besides the plug and I'm wondering if there's a reason

[53:30] to limit to plug-in electric vehicles.

[53:32] No, there are drive-over chargers and things like that

[53:36] that have sort of been developed.

[53:38] Yeah, no, there was no specific reason for it to be that way.

[53:42] And the right, I did just carry it forward and it was not not realizing that there might be another way to charge like a drive and is that of like a battery replacement mechanism.

[53:57] No, no, there are some mechanisms that are actually used by some mass transit where it's it's like it's a big version of wireless phone charters.

[54:05] No, there's no plug that there's

[54:10] Anyway, but you can consider that for a few circling up if if any of those technologies come down the line

[54:16] We'll just review the words plug in I think thanks. Yeah, I don't think I don't know if that came forward

[54:21] I don't think I think you'd see us

[54:24] You know

[54:25] Unless it was something really unusual. We've been approved as if if we're any other electric vehicle charging

[54:30] Yeah, thanks

[54:34] All right, thank you, Mr. Ford, cast some of your sparks, your next followed by Vice Mayor Harvey.

[54:40] Thank you, and it came up in some questions I'd asked to Mr. Harris earlier that

[54:48] we do have two gas stations currently in the north gateway district.

[54:55] So there are two stations that are sort of in non-conforming use right now.

[54:58] So my question is, how would this apply to them in terms of if it's a point in the future if they wanted to

[55:07] to install charging stations and whatnot? Would they be prohibited from doing that?

[55:15] Because the new service station on fossil fuel categories not unallow use in that district?

[55:23] So there are two service stations located in Northern Gayway, as you mentioned, that are legal

[55:30] non-conforming.

[55:34] If you would always have to look at the application, but let's just take, for example,

[55:40] one of these stations, if they wanted to pull out a pump and replace it with electric vehicle

[55:44] charging station, we would absolutely go, you know, allow for that.

[55:48] if they wanted to install vehicle charging stations

[55:51] at any of their parking spaces,

[55:54] we would absolutely approve that kind of change.

[55:57] If they were proposing to really expand the use itself,

[56:01] then that would require much more rigorous examination

[56:05] on are they expanding and aren't conforming use?

[56:09] So if they prevent them from expansions in land area,

[56:14] But not that would prevent them from, you know, making improvements to their facility, making modifications to their facility, maintaining their facility, as long as it's consistent with what the items that I presented earlier.

[56:31] But if it just makes sure Anderson Creek, if they, if they wanted to rip out all their gas pumps.

[56:37] Just put in a huge array of vehicle charging stations that was larger than the gas pumps had been.

[56:45] We would sort of have to take a real close look at that, is that what you're saying?

[56:50] Since it's not.

[56:51] Well, I think if it were, I don't let no of these obviously shut up to also jump in.

[56:55] But if it weren't expanding the area that it's using now,

[56:58] I think that would be absolutely fine with us, you know?

[57:02] Okay, what's that approval happening at the,

[57:05] at the step level?

[57:07] No, probably not, because there'd be,

[57:09] you'd be talking about,

[57:12] and need to be careful if you're just adding,

[57:14] just adding certain stations to like the existing parking areas,

[57:20] that by law, by state law,

[57:22] those are ministerial approvals.

[57:24] If you're talking about like tearing down the whole facility

[57:27] And you know rebuilding something that's within the kind of the same area, then that has to go to planning commission because we don't at staff don't have the authority to approve that for the through design review. So that would have to go to planning commission.

[57:41] Okay, thank you.

[57:46] Vice Mayor Harvey, I believe you have some questions.

[57:49] Yes, I do.

[57:51] I just want some clarification on the wording in the proposed ordinance.

[57:59] It's a service station on fossil fuel sales means a retail business that provides electrical charging or fueling for vehicles, but does not include the sale of fossil fuels.

[58:11] My question is, does that not negate every station that we have and all of a sudden if we approve this, they all of a sudden can no longer sell these fossil fuels as a tomorrow?

[58:28] No, they, any, any station now can continue with its operation.

[58:36] So it, it, it basically, that particular aspect of their business becomes a legal non-conforming

[58:43] situation.

[58:44] Either they were, yeah, hopefully that answered it.

[58:49] Okay.

[58:50] So, so we are not shutting down every gas station in the city by those words.

[58:57] No, we're not. Okay, because the way it reads it sounds like that certainly not the attention. No, it's it's it's

[59:06] It's not understand that there's no new or expanded facilities, but it doesn't exactly say that

[59:13] Yeah, it doesn't say that and that's that's what what concerned me is well,

[59:20] later on it says that it would be one of like the package page 206, for example,

[59:33] where you see B1, this is kind of a section that will discuss what's here, it falls within the section for service station.

[59:40] Okay. And if we want to do some work-triking, I'm happy to. But it says one, just right there, new facilities and expansions of existing facilities that store conveyor dispense fossil fuels shall not be permitted.

[59:56] Okay. There's nothing that says they can't do that.

[1:00:00] We couldn't do that anyway. They have vested rights to continue with their use, unless we took actions through a hearings and do process to change that.

[1:00:15] Okay. That was just my concern, the way that was worded. It didn't imply that it was only new ones. It just basically said all.

[1:00:27] I would think of it something similar, I don't think it says all middle and expansion.

[1:00:36] Well, it changes the definition of service station.

[1:00:40] And so if what these people have is a use permit as a service station, we've changed the meaning.

[1:00:49] does that. That was my only concern is, you know, all of a sudden, you know, we have zero because we,

[1:00:58] we don't, well, it's, that's not the intent. I believe I, unless you have some recommended wording, I believe it works.

[1:01:07] And we don't have the ability to do that. Okay, as long as Mr. Bakker, who is our attorney who is, you know,

[1:01:15] in these things, things that that will protect the ones that are already there and the intention

[1:01:23] is for new ones, then I'll be okay with that. I mean, he is our legal expertise on that.

[1:01:29] So I would defer to him.

[1:01:32] Yeah, I just just Mr. Mayor, just to clarify. I did review the ordinance. I originally had the same concern

[1:01:39] and I reviewed it and comfortable that it only applies to new uses and expanses of existing

[1:01:48] uses.

[1:01:48] So, I'm comfortable that it won't create any issues with existing users.

[1:01:52] Okay.

[1:01:53] If you're comfortable, I'm comfortable.

[1:01:55] Then my second question has to do with this whole thing around the CD.

[1:02:00] You were able to find a map.

[1:02:02] I could not find a map.

[1:02:04] I was digging around in the municode and what I did find is the definition.

[1:02:09] for CD and in the definition in 17.20.030B it really it defines CD there but it talks about CD being

[1:02:23] all the way from page street down old redwood highway north to highway 101 so your map that you

[1:02:38] that are in the municode?

[1:02:42] Well, we do have the zoning map, which is the official map.

[1:02:45] And now you're highlighting probably something that we need to do,

[1:02:49] go in and amend the municipal code to be consistent with the zoning map,

[1:02:54] which is adopted.

[1:02:56] The zoning map is not included in the municipal code.

[1:03:00] It's a separate document.

[1:03:02] And you can find it on our website within the community development area.

[1:03:07] That's probably the best place to get in the course.

[1:03:10] We have maps in the offices.

[1:03:12] Right, right.

[1:03:13] And I couldn't.

[1:03:13] That was a beautiful map that you showed in your presentations.

[1:03:16] So thank you for that.

[1:03:18] So I think then as far as CD is concerned,

[1:03:22] I think that we need to address the wording in 1720.

[1:03:27] 0.03.

[1:03:28] Because it definitely does not match the picture that you showed.

[1:03:34] where can I recommend that we do that as a separate action? Sure. Absolutely. I just wanted to

[1:03:40] to point that out because when I went kind of looking for this what I was concerned about

[1:03:45] were the two the two stations that reside on Old Redwood Highway. All of a sudden we were

[1:03:52] basically closing them down because they were in what the words say are the CD. Thank you for

[1:04:00] morning there. Okay, then that's all all my questions for right now. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Vice

[1:04:07] Mayor. Councilmember Moore. Here, Mayor Lamon. Thank you, Mr. Harris. I have a question, can we elaborate a

[1:04:16] little bit more on why we are not allowing for the hydrogen fuel cells at stations?

[1:04:29] We're not

[1:04:30] later. We did include some provisions for it. There was just that, you know, that would be an allowable use.

[1:04:38] There was a concern that we were trying to do where we were completing things that we wanted to promote with actions that we were just rather than targeting the fossil fuels.

[1:04:47] There is also a concern that we would be encouraging hydrogen fuel fueling in the area and that might promote the wrong type of vehicles.

[1:04:57] Also, hydrogen fuel is sourced from fossil fuels almost entirely, it is sourced from natural gas which wasn't consistent with what members of con gas and some of the other members of the public wanted to see at least be vocal about it.

[1:05:18] So the recommendation was to just be silent with respect to hydrogen fuel cell.

[1:05:26] And that's the reason is right there.

[1:05:30] So you're indicating an hydrogen fuel cell vehicles can contribute to the greenhouse gas,

[1:05:37] in terms of the source. The vehicles themselves are zero emission vehicles. They use hydrogen

[1:05:44] fuel cells to power in an electric motor. But the generation of the hydrogen is almost always

[1:05:56] comes from natural gas. There are ways to produce hydrogen, but not without doing that,

[1:06:04] you can crack water for example, but that's not done at the commercial scale.

[1:06:11] Okay, I guess it can be readjust on the road of that becomes the concern and I hope those facilities.

[1:06:18] Yeah, I think that was why we were willing to let it go at staff level was because it's just not a pressing issue for us right now.

[1:06:27] We included it because there's really only two zero types of zero mission vehicles in commercial production, which are hydrogen fuel cell, very, very, very small percentage and then electric battery charge vehicles.

[1:06:42] Thank you.

[1:06:45] All right, thank you, Councilor Moore.

[1:06:47] I'm not seeing the hands up right now, so I will close that.

[1:06:50] I'll remind the council once again,

[1:06:52] I am stuck running this meeting through a phone

[1:06:54] because my city device Wi-Fi is divided not to play with us tonight.

[1:06:59] It perhaps felt that the agenda was too long.

[1:07:01] I just don't know.

[1:07:03] So then you're there with me, and if you need to speak,

[1:07:05] and I can't see you, please feel free to speak up.

[1:07:08] And with that, since we've done our round of questions,

[1:07:11] I'd like to now open the public hearing

[1:07:13] and ask the city clerk to open it to comments from the public.

[1:07:18] Thank you, Mayor Landman, speaking to our attendees if you would like to make a public comment,

[1:07:22] please use your raise hand icon. Jenny Blaker, please go ahead.

[1:07:33] So good evening. I'm the co-coordinator of the coalition opposing new

[1:07:39] gas stations, Kongas and a resident of Katari, and I'd like to thank the staff,

[1:07:46] J.P. Harris particularly for doing so much detailed research and the fantastic presentation.

[1:07:54] My co-coordinator Woody Hastings, I hope he's going to speak because he is much

[1:07:59] from knowledgeable about hydrogen and the reasons why that was not included.

[1:08:03] I think this is a fabulous ordinance, and I would just urge you, encourage you, I hope,

[1:08:09] that you will pass it exactly as it is with no changes.

[1:08:13] there was a lot of discussion about details at the planning commission level and I think a lot of the

[1:08:20] questions and concerns got, got ironed out then and there are so many good reasons to

[1:08:29] say no more new gas stations and yeah it's only about the new ones and existing ones expanding

[1:08:36] and this wouldn't impact existing ones at all. Just just want to say a couple of things that

[1:08:43] mentioned was the pollution that gas station caused in terms of air pollution. They always

[1:08:52] leak. There's always problems with leaks and spill, getting into waterways, and we do have

[1:08:58] the abandoned gas station site at the northern end of Katari, which I think began to be cleaned

[1:09:04] up in 1989, and I think that was finished in last year. I mean, it's a long time, and the danger

[1:09:11] of that one was something to do with water leaking into the, sorry gasoline drinking, leaking

[1:09:17] into the drinking water. So there are other reasons apart from the climate crisis to do this

[1:09:25] and in addition, people worldwide are impacted by fossil fuels, wherever there's drilling and

[1:09:33] pipelines and processing and transportation almost always affecting people of color and low

[1:09:39] and communities and indigenous people disproportionately. So that's another reason why we think it would

[1:09:47] be good to start banning new ones and the existing ones will continue as long as they're

[1:09:54] the need for them. Thank you very much for the opportunity to speak and please do a

[1:10:00] proof of the ordinance exactly as it stands. Thank you very much.

[1:10:08] Laurie Ann Barber, please go ahead.

[1:10:13] Hi, thank you, Laurie Ann Barber, resident of Katati.

[1:10:17] I want to thank the city for taking up this issue

[1:10:20] and thanks to the staff for all the work on this.

[1:10:23] I'm strongly in favor of this ban on new gas

[1:10:27] or fossil fossil fuel infrastructure in Katati.

[1:10:31] Gas stations are soon to be actually a bad business

[1:10:34] investment because cars are mandated to be electric

[1:10:37] by in California by 2035 so we wouldn't really want to encourage businesses that weren't going to do well.

[1:10:45] And we don't need any more gas stations in Cotati right now as already stated there's plenty of

[1:10:50] access and nobody really waits in line to buy gas unless maybe you go to Costco.

[1:10:56] It's important for our city to join the other cities in Sonoma County in creating the future that we want

[1:11:03] with less greenhouse gas emissions.

[1:11:06] As Janie mentioned, gas stations are polluting and hazardous,

[1:11:09] as a Katati citizen, I would not be in favor of adding

[1:11:12] any more toxic infrastructure.

[1:11:15] So I support this ban, and I appreciate this as a way

[1:11:18] for Katati to meet our climate goals,

[1:11:21] and set an example for other jurisdictions

[1:11:24] and really just to help out the climate crisis in general.

[1:11:27] So again, I'm in support of this ordinance,

[1:11:30] and I thank you for your time.

[1:11:38] Richard J. Sanghaas, please go ahead.

[1:11:43] Hello. I'm speaking in favor of this van as well. I think that we are in the transition

[1:11:49] times and this is a very appropriate step forward as we move through without it being a radical

[1:11:57] change. Others have spoken to many of the issues, but I think that the idea of a suitable transition

[1:12:04] is worth mentioning as we go through it.

[1:12:08] I have seen also times when businesses have failed and as we just heard somebody was saying

[1:12:15] maybe it's not a good investment but sometimes people don't realize that and I would hate

[1:12:19] to see a bankrupt business or one that is closed being tried to help mitigate what's left behind.

[1:12:30] So I would strongly encourage us to move in this direction.

[1:12:36] I appreciate all the work that so many people have done.

[1:12:38] I think there's been a lot of legwork, a lot of real collaboration here,

[1:12:44] so I don't think that this is hasty at all.

[1:12:46] I think that it's, you know, most of the considerations that would come in,

[1:12:51] have been addressed. So once again, I support the ban. Thank you.

[1:13:01] Mayor Landman, that will end public comment.

[1:13:03] very good. Thank you. Without I will close the public hearing and bring it back to council and see if I have any discussion from any council members and I see a hand up from council member Ford please go ahead.

[1:13:17] Just a quick discussion on that CD district issue. I'm in favor of not removing it as a permitted use in the CD. Just because the definition of service station no longer includes fossil fuel.

[1:13:33] sales and so that it's not clear to me that the same sites are going to be appropriate

[1:13:40] for electrical charging as we're appropriate for dispensing gasoline.

[1:13:46] And given that it only applies to a few few parcels.

[1:13:50] I don't see a reason to remove it as an allowed use in that district right now.

[1:13:56] So I favor approving as the Planning Commission recommended it.

[1:14:01] All right, thank you.

[1:14:03] I'll ask the rest of my colleagues if anybody else has any comments for us for motion.

[1:14:08] Nothing in the hands jump up. I'll just quickly say it is amazing sometimes how quickly

[1:14:13] preconceptions that we've had for generations, frankly.

[1:14:17] For years, all our lives perhaps to just fall away.

[1:14:21] You know, this whole thing began by Luma and my understanding from the people involved in this.

[1:14:26] The original concept isn't even what we're finally looking at tonight.

[1:14:30] the idea was that they were dealing with a problematic application for gas station down there

[1:14:35] and then trying to deal with it one of the best directions appeared to be just flat out

[1:14:41] looking at could we be on all the gas stations and that's I think when the realization came

[1:14:46] upon wait a minute actually we have plenty of service station infrastructure we are very well served and

[1:14:53] that was like a bolt from the blue so that's something of interest to me uh very quickly here we are

[1:14:59] less than a year ago.

[1:15:00] We'll probably talk more about that later. But before I ask for a motion, I would like to give credit to Council member Ford for being the first among us to very quickly recognize the value and the appropriateness of this and bring it to the council.

[1:15:15] And with that, if there's no other discussion, actually, if I'm going to ask for somebody to move the introduction of the ordinance, I'd like to ask Council member Ford if he'd be willing to do that.

[1:15:25] I'd be happy to, Maryland, and thanks. I would move to

[1:15:29] introduced ordinance to prohibited new and expanded

[1:15:31] service station facilities that store can pay or

[1:15:33] dispense fossil fuels. All right. So now the suspense continues.

[1:15:38] Do we have a second for that? I would like to second the

[1:15:40] solution. All right. So second from Council Member

[1:15:43] Sparks who kept your composure to nicely done. So we have a first

[1:15:48] in the second we have a rule called good things tonight.

[1:15:50] Council Member Ford.

[1:15:53] Yes. Council Member Moore.

[1:15:56] I. Council Member Sparks.

[1:16:02] Yes.

[1:16:03] Vice Mayor Harvey. Yes. Mayor Landman.

[1:16:08] And that's a yes for me too.

[1:16:11] So this motion carries unanimously.

[1:16:14] So we'll see when this comes back. Thank you staff for that.

[1:16:17] And when we move on, we have yet another public hearing.

[1:16:20] This is item B under public hearings, and this is a public hearing for our lighting and landscape assessment,

[1:16:25] to prove reporting authorized assessments.

[1:16:29] And so I'll ask if we can have our staff report for that, please.

[1:16:34] Sure.

[1:16:35] Mayor, members of the council.

[1:16:36] This is Craig Scott, City Engineer, Public Works Director.

[1:16:42] We conduct this process annually.

[1:16:45] Back in 1989 to 2003, the city created 10 landscape and lighting assessment districts as a way of recuperating costs to maintain the landscaping and streetlights for development.

[1:17:04] So that is done as part of the lighting and landscaping act of 1972, which does require us to go through a very strict annual process.

[1:17:18] This is the third visit to council for this year.

[1:17:21] The first was in January for this year and it was to designate the engineer.

[1:17:28] the city and turn myself as the engineer of Frederick to prepare the report and to go ahead

[1:17:32] and authorize the preparation of the report. In May, the draft report was presented to council,

[1:17:43] and a resolution of intent to levied the assessment was made, as well as setting the public

[1:17:50] hearing for today.

[1:17:53] And this meeting has been duly noticed, and we're in good.

[1:17:58] Everything's lined up to go ahead and receive the,

[1:18:02] the finalized report and levee the assessments through the

[1:18:06] resolution and after following that staff go ahead and prepare the

[1:18:12] assessment role and submit it to the county assessor's office.

[1:18:18] Next slide please.

[1:18:21] in the next slide. So these are the 10 zones. It was originally formed as 10 separate districts,

[1:18:32] which each required their separate resolution, which became pretty mundane. Some on the council

[1:18:40] could attest to. And so I think it's four years ago now. We decided we saw a way with the landscape

[1:18:50] and lighting assessment district code to combine those districts and to a single district with each

[1:18:57] original district retaining its original qualities of characteristics, but as zones within that district.

[1:19:04] We've got Valparizo, which was the one originally in 1989, and then all the way to 2003 when all

[1:19:11] minakers was formed. And you'll see the Aztrists on the last four zones there. That means that

[1:19:17] The city got a little bit better at doing this along the way and realized that the cost of utilities and labor and so forth, which I'll let over time because of inflation.

[1:19:31] And so those have the ability to be adjusted each year by the San Francisco construction cost index.

[1:19:40] Next slide please.

[1:19:45] Here's a map just showing where these zones are. It also kind of gives you an idea of the relative size.

[1:19:53] We've got zones from that have a small little as 14 houses on it to zones with 70 homes within this assessment district.

[1:20:05] What do you need to zone?

[1:20:08] Next slide please.

[1:20:13] There's a couple slides here that summarized the, you know, what we're doing.

[1:20:19] Excuse me if it's your zone.

[1:20:22] This one basically says, hey, we do routine maintenance.

[1:20:25] Okay, we keep up the, the, the, the streetscape.

[1:20:30] And make sure we replace broken bulbs, burdened that bulbs.

[1:20:34] And so this led highlights, hey, what can we do that's like a little bit beyond that?

[1:20:41] And so this past year on Zone 2, there's been a long standing issue with a couple of pretty large redwood trays,

[1:20:52] breaking up the sidewalk and causing tripping hazards.

[1:20:54] If you remember we had a barricade there for over a year, if not a year and a half or two years,

[1:21:01] because the sidewalk was that broken up.

[1:21:04] And so we did get to that this past year.

[1:21:08] And one of the trees had to be removed,

[1:21:10] but we did, we're able to salvage the tree

[1:21:14] that's on the corner of the Gary way and Murdoch.

[1:21:18] Both sections of sidewalk were demolished and replaced.

[1:21:23] And so that is now safe for pedestrians to go through there.

[1:21:28] And we did involve the residents in that zone.

[1:21:33] We had a couple community meetings to see what our options were and let everybody know what we were considering that this needed to be addressed.

[1:21:43] Zone eight, Park Meadows, that's McGinnis Circle.

[1:21:46] Remember, three or four years ago, we put in lights, one is shown in the picture there along the trails, the pathways.

[1:21:55] And so that was funded by the assessment district.

[1:22:00] We've built up the revenue since the reserve balance,

[1:22:04] since then, and we're ready for another capital project.

[1:22:07] And that is in the attachment sea of the report.

[1:22:10] And it's also in our multi-year capital plan that you'll be hearing.

[1:22:15] That's wrapped into the budget later on in a presentation.

[1:22:20] And yes, it's funded by assessment district.

[1:22:24] And because it's a capital project that belongs in that multi-year city capital plan, we have prepared the design and put it out the bid and we've selected a contractor for that.

[1:22:44] This is the project that's combined with pocket park pathways, but we'll keep the expenses going to

[1:22:52] the correct accounts. And if for the landscape and lighting assessment district there's the

[1:23:00] the pathway with asphalt that's very bumpy and broken up and split and cracked that goes from

[1:23:09] against to Marshway, and then also from

[1:23:12] McGinis to the Laguna Bridge, and there's going to be a

[1:23:16] con-form there, and the pathway we've got the plan for

[1:23:21] decomposed granite, which is what we're seeing around town

[1:23:25] across the street from City Hall, West School Street.

[1:23:28] You just put in that type.

[1:23:29] It's kind of binder in it, so it keeps it very much

[1:23:32] together, and it's holding up well, and other applications

[1:23:36] around the city and it's providing a real sense of place when folks are walking around town

[1:23:47] and say, oh, you know, here's a similar looking pathway, very pleasing to the eye. So we're

[1:23:54] looking to put that in and then center away, we did some repairs to the irrigation system and

[1:24:04] moved to fall in three. It was windy one day in a branch fell off and so that tree had to be removed and replaced.

[1:24:11] And I'll speak to this later. It sounds like a trivial thing, but when the East assessment districts only collect about $1,000 a year.

[1:24:20] And they built up revenue reserves of maybe $1300 and you're saying, oh, that's 100% of our annual assessment. That's a lot of money.

[1:24:29] It could get pretty much zeroed out when one brand falls off tree,

[1:24:36] or irrigation system needs to be repaired.

[1:24:42] And then finally, zone 10, Altman anchors.

[1:24:45] So there's a section of street escape.

[1:24:49] If you go along the redwood highway, just help the burl,

[1:24:52] down the east side.

[1:24:55] That streetscape was installed back in 2003 and nothing but just routine maintenance was done to that.

[1:25:03] So you'll see Tadard weed barrier there in some shrubbery that's looking diseased or dying.

[1:25:13] So we're looking to replace that, take out the mulch and the irrigation and that tattered

[1:25:21] weed barrier and replace that, the vegetation, do new plantings there.

[1:25:30] Next slide,

[1:25:33] please.

[1:25:33] Okay.

[1:25:34] First of a couple of summary slides with the numbers in them.

[1:25:40] So this one shows the three columns there with the numbers, the 21, 22 is the assessment that was

[1:25:50] assessed this past year. Okay, and you'll notice for the first six zones, they stay the same.

[1:25:58] All three of those numbers across the columns are the same.

[1:26:01] Because again, we did not build in that inflation adjustment factor to those zones.

[1:26:06] So, I mean, what really makes that point is back in 1989, we sort of cost it out.

[1:26:16] Hey, this is what it costs to maintain the pay for water and streetlights, bulbs and everything else.

[1:26:23] And over 30 years later, those costs have gone up and yet our assessment has stayed the same for those zones.

[1:26:34] Their middle column is a current maximum assessment, and so that applies to the last four

[1:26:39] zones.

[1:26:41] The construction cost index is taken from the zones inception to January 1, 2022, multiplied

[1:26:48] by that original assessment, and that's the annual assessment we can charge without a

[1:26:54] us up so we can hold this public hearing and go ahead and assess that charge and we choose

[1:27:05] not to do that. So the final column of numbers there you can see are a bit below the maximum

[1:27:13] and you will assess that we are allowed to assess and we increase that we kind of look at that

[1:27:23] And increased that relative to what the year over year CCIS.

[1:27:29] And for this past year, it was 9th point 2%.

[1:27:32] So pick your jaws off the floor.

[1:27:37] Quite a bit of a jump this year in inflation.

[1:27:43] Realizing that that's a high number,

[1:27:45] we went ahead and rushed it down and capped it at 5%.

[1:27:48] percent for zone 7 and 8. We have an operational deficit for zone 9 to tear away. So we bumped

[1:27:58] that up to about 7 percent. Well, not about we're proposing 7 percent. And zone 10 is actually

[1:28:07] increasing its reserves by about $3 to $5,000 a year. It's building its very healthy zone.

[1:28:15] And so I met twice with the HOA there and listened to what their concerns were and we came

[1:28:25] to sort of an understanding that a 5% reduction of their assessment was made sense and we

[1:28:33] went a step further and said a reserve target of $20,000 made sense as well because we're

[1:28:41] quotes for we're doing that landscaping and they're coming in at 20, 25,000 dollars. And so

[1:28:48] that's only needed every, well ideally, we wouldn't be waiting 12 years, we'd do it every

[1:28:54] five or six years or so. Next slide, please.

[1:29:01] Okay, so we looked at assessments and what they're

[1:29:06] the relative increase of assessments each year. This is the the running balance of the reserves

[1:29:13] And so again, this is the concept is it's a, it's a safety valve for anything that might

[1:29:23] go wrong in this zone where we would like to just kind of continue to march along each

[1:29:31] year with a fairly predictable, continual expense of maintenance that things happen, right?

[1:29:43] fall down.

[1:29:46] So, the ones that are in the low one or two thousands, they're one instance away from

[1:29:57] just zeroing out those results.

[1:30:00] So, I wouldn't give too much weight to, you know, like a 300 percent, 317 percent larger than reserve or annual revenue for zone one, for example, because 7600 dollars doesn't go far with capital projects.

[1:30:20] And then all of these zones, I have a summary slide on sort of a status update, but kind of a state of the zone, if you will, for these,

[1:30:38] but the ones that kind of stand out as being kind of on life support are zone two, which currently has a, that's what the footnote is addressing.

[1:30:50] And it's loan, it's general fund loan balance is now approaching $50,000.

[1:31:00] So it goes, it has an operational deficit where, it's like $300,000 a year, it goes into

[1:31:11] the red just for maintaining the, the streetscape along Mertal Avenue there.

[1:31:19] The other one I wanted to point out here and I'll repeat this again on the other slide

[1:31:24] to center away.

[1:31:26] It has that operational deficit and so there's time for us to correct that and one of

[1:31:33] the steps there was increasing the assessment by 7% this year.

[1:31:38] That's not going to do it.

[1:31:39] I think we're going to need several years of increases

[1:31:44] to get back to level off, level off.

[1:31:48] All the minakers, like I said, they're pretty healthy.

[1:31:51] They're really healthy.

[1:31:52] They've got $36,000 reserve balance.

[1:31:55] And that was something like $30,000 last year.

[1:31:59] And so it keeps building.

[1:32:00] It's dropping down a 9,000 because we're

[1:32:03] planning to do those improvements along with Redwood Highway.

[1:32:07] All right, next slide please.

[1:32:12] Okay, this is that sort of state of the zones slide, which is new this year.

[1:32:17] I thought it would be helpful.

[1:32:21] It was on one, we're just we're just looking at minimal maintenance, minimal reserves. It's just kind of homes along doing its thing, looking, keeping it looking nice.

[1:32:31] So, in two, is the one on life support, and we've got the $50,000

[1:32:38] fund loan. We fixed the sidewalks and tripping has, or

[1:32:43] hopefully we don't. We don't foresee not unwed any more

[1:32:48] improvements needed for that zone. Those sidewalks were, I think,

[1:32:53] the last one we had the maintenance a few years back of all

[1:33:00] and remolves to end the re-did the irrigation

[1:33:04] like five or six years ago,

[1:33:06] and then this one came along with fixing the sidewalks.

[1:33:13] But I think it barely has enough revenue each year

[1:33:16] just to pay for their water, the water they use.

[1:33:20] Zone three, four and five,

[1:33:24] we're looking at same as zone one,

[1:33:27] we're just to keep minimal maintenance going on

[1:33:29] and minimal reserves,

[1:33:33] and even with that minimal level of effort,

[1:33:36] the reserves are not building, they stay pretty constant.

[1:33:44] Six and seven, we've got the revenues are pretty stable,

[1:33:49] so I think we're starting to look at revenue in those zones

[1:33:53] that could support some revitalization refurbishment

[1:33:59] of those zones. Eight that is park medists. And so that text there describes repeats what

[1:34:11] I just said about the project we do those pathways and decompose granite. And those

[1:34:20] costs will be not all of those projects fall entirely within that zone. So some of it

[1:34:26] will be coming from the general fund, but that portion

[1:34:31] that's within the zone will be paid by that assessment,

[1:34:37] So 9 is the center of way.

[1:34:41] And it's been the reserves of being dropping.

[1:34:48] And so it looks to be depleted in the next two,

[1:34:51] I think, two years.

[1:34:52] It's going to put a zero.

[1:34:55] And to combat that, I'm

[1:34:58] looking at, I have solicited quotes for getting landscape services to switch to landscape provider services to see if they'll be a break given there because we just got another we got an update from our current provider saying, hey, you know, we're increasing your rates because of our increased costs.

[1:35:24] So staying the course on that zone is not going to be the way to go.

[1:35:33] Just keeps this, it makes this picture worse.

[1:35:36] Hopefully we can get somebody that's a little more economical for us.

[1:35:43] And then, zone 10, same thing.

[1:35:48] There's own reserve as approaching $40,000.

[1:35:51] We're getting quotes to refurbish their streets king.

[1:35:58] The last line there is just to sort of give a window to people into art thinking and how we approach these annual reports.

[1:36:09] It's a check-in process on the health of each of these zones financially and in the appearance of course.

[1:36:17] But each time we do this every year, we see upward pressures on utility costs, contractor costs, energy costs, everything's creeping up.

[1:36:28] You know, we put like a 5% inflation factor in there and sure enough that's it gets that's what the actual expenses turn out to be between 4 or 5 or 6% every year.

[1:36:43] So, that's making it really challenging to continue to have healthy, healthy zone balances.

[1:36:56] One thing when silver lining, when good piece of news,

[1:37:01] is I've gotten a lot of help from the administrative services department,

[1:37:05] and a couple years ago the accounting system was revamped and with a push of a button we get

[1:37:13] these summary reports on all of these expenses in these specific categories and so it takes

[1:37:21] takes me about two hours to update those tables in the report and so our costs have gone being

[1:37:28] half just from last year to this year. We don't have this year's yet but the last years in the

[1:37:35] prior years, it went down by half. So it was instead of $10,000 in the administrative cost that's

[1:37:43] just tributed amongst the 10 zones, went to $5,000 and we hope that we can keep it at that low level.

[1:37:51] All right, so that's the presentation.

[1:37:57] The next slide is summary of recommendation, which is to go ahead and adopt the resolution,

[1:38:05] which approves the engineer's report confirming the assessment diagram in diagrams and

[1:38:11] annual assessment amounts in loving and collection of annual assessments for the city of

[1:38:21] person to the landscape and lighting act of 1972. So with that I'd be happy to respond

[1:38:27] any questions you may have. Well that's a perfect time to ask the Council. If

[1:38:32] anybody has any questions for Mr Scott and I see Hans from Vice Mayor Harvey

[1:38:37] and Council Member Sparks on the order please. Thanks for the report Craig.

[1:38:47] I

[1:38:47] feel like a broken record here, but on quail hollow, number two zone, the assessments that

[1:38:58] we collect are only about $1,200 and the expenses are about $3600 and they already owe

[1:39:04] us money and I feel like for the last four or five years we keep saying we need to do something

[1:39:11] about it, this is only going to get worse and pretty soon, it's ultimately going to be, you know,

[1:39:19] $100,000. They are never going to get, you know, out of this, if we don't do something. And I know I

[1:39:29] ask every year, but we seem to be reluctant to address that with them, but we cannot continue

[1:39:38] at this pace where we're paying, you know, double what their assessment is, in addition to all of these other unforeseen things.

[1:39:51] So do you have a plan for that?

[1:39:57] I think that was, the writing was on the wall when we initiated this back to 1989 or 1990s and failed to put in the escalation factor.

[1:40:11] The, it's very unlikely that the residents are going to vote to approve a, including the escalation factor.

[1:40:25] I think I think we don't have, our, our options are really limited.

[1:40:29] That I think that's why you're seeing this come back year after year,

[1:40:33] with how it being resolved, I don't think we have any options here.

[1:40:41] I would like us to look at options because I really don't think that it's really very fair

[1:40:47] to all of the rest of the districts, nor the rest of the citizens within the community,

[1:40:54] to keep having to, you know, have this fun being owed to us grow the way it's growing.

[1:41:05] At, you know, at some point, you know, do we just stop maintaining it?

[1:41:11] Or, you know, it just, it just doesn't seem, it doesn't seem quite right the way it is exponentially growing

[1:41:20] and that there's nothing that can be done.

[1:41:23] So I just would like to see something done about that.

[1:41:33] And I do appreciate,

[1:41:34] because I have been around long enough

[1:41:36] that we don't have to do these one, my one, my one.

[1:41:40] So I do appreciate that you've combined those.

[1:41:43] So thank you for that.

[1:41:44] We appreciate it too.

[1:41:46] I bet that was really painful to go through these

[1:41:50] and adopt these resolutions and read them each one.

[1:41:53] So thank you for that. So thank you, Mayor.

[1:41:56] Thank you, council members parts.

[1:41:58] Thank you. I have two questions. The first one is related to

[1:42:01] to Vice Mayor Harvey's comments. A question. I'm curious to know how how do we fund

[1:42:08] maintenance on the landscape on the rest of Murdoch road on the other side of the road and then

[1:42:13] down farther to the east. That's not part of that district.

[1:42:19] That's my first question.

[1:42:21] I'll take him one at a time if that's okay.

[1:42:26] Here's so.

[1:42:27] Looking at that diagram, there is a zone seven.

[1:42:31] That's on the other side.

[1:42:35] I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[1:42:37] You've got zone two, which we're talking about,

[1:42:40] and zone four.

[1:42:42] Maintains has some streetscape along mortal.

[1:42:45] If you look at the overall diagram.

[1:42:50] And then on, but you're talking about the north side of Murdoch and the city maintains that.

[1:43:00] There's a number of streetscapes around the city.

[1:43:03] And this is a big question I get and when I go out and meet with these assessment district,

[1:43:08] H.O.A. is, you know, how come some streetscapes were maintained by the city and some were

[1:43:15] in assessment districts?

[1:43:19] So, is that just luck of the job when they were built, whether we had started with this

[1:43:25] assessment district program at the time that the development is constructed?

[1:43:29] It is.

[1:43:30] I think it took cities a little while to realize that every time they built a house, it was

[1:43:36] that loss in their budget, because it cost more to maintain that new infrastructure than

[1:43:47] they were getting from property tax revenue, so that's when the landscape and lighting

[1:43:53] assessment district got developed. And it kind of was, you know, this is the order of development

[1:44:00] that came about from 1989 to 2003 and then that progression continued when or five years ago

[1:44:11] we used another mechanism which is the community financial district CFDs and so we've got

[1:44:21] the whole city is now in a CFD so that would be anytime a need of development comes along

[1:44:28] they have to get, we condition them to annex into the CFD.

[1:44:32] So it's continuing, you know, the theme is, the city's trying to make itself

[1:44:38] whole when new infrastructure comes along.

[1:44:43] I could see why the residents would be not too excited to vote on increasing their

[1:44:49] assessment when their neighbors across the other side of Murdoine, paying anything for

[1:44:53] the same service.

[1:44:54] I have a second question, totally unrelated.

[1:45:00] I'm looking at his own tent, the olden acres where there's going to be the plan of streetscape improvements. I know it's a very small stretch of road, but I'm wondering if there's room there to try to do some pollinator friendly monarch butterfly friendly plantings. When we do that, and maybe I don't know if the HOA there are the members of that district or would be open to something like that, but I think it would be great to have

[1:45:29] some better monarch have a title on the side of it?

[1:45:33] We'll bread one.

[1:45:36] I think how I would present that to the group is have a, have the quote, have that being

[1:45:44] or a question additional alternate on the bid and depending, there would be very responsive

[1:45:52] to what the price increase would be.

[1:45:56] Okay.

[1:45:56] I think if it was a wash, and it would just be a switch out of plants, there would be a lot more receptive of it, but if it was a cost increase, then I would think it would be a thumbs down.

[1:46:10] But if we're just walking out plants, that might have, I'd be willing to put that into the proposal request.

[1:46:18] Great, thank you so much.

[1:46:22] Thank you, Councilmember Sparks.

[1:46:24] Councilmember Ford, go ahead.

[1:46:26] Sorry, thanks, ma'am.

[1:46:27] That's the last thing that Greg said raised a question for me.

[1:46:32] So when you say they would be responsive to the cost.

[1:46:36] So I'm curious about the mechanism and who controls this money.

[1:46:39] I thought this was an assessment and then the city uses that money to do the maintenance work.

[1:46:44] But your implying that HOA has some role in spending the money.

[1:46:52] It's we involve the HOA in, you know, we kind of consult, well, we involve them in the decisions, not that it's, you have it right in that the city is ultimately the one that manages how is kind of the referee on how it gets spent.

[1:47:16] like we have to have a landscape that's consistent with what is initially described in the

[1:47:23] originating documents. But I think it's common courtesy to touch base with the HOA's and let

[1:47:32] them know what our plans are and how sensitive they are for doing it this year next year or

[1:47:38] following year and kind of with what the implications are to them on the assessment.

[1:47:45] So it's a conferring common courtesy type of interaction we have with them.

[1:47:53] Yeah, I'm comfortable with that.

[1:47:54] That's a little different than the process you sort of outline like in response to council members,

[1:48:01] parks suggestions. So I just think there are, um, there are a lot of general plan policies

[1:48:07] that have to do with landscape and all in air friendly. And we had a discussion a few

[1:48:12] meetings ago about, you know, becoming on, we didn't, we didn't act on it at that time. So

[1:48:17] this isn't actual policy or anything. But, but the things changed over the years. And so to

[1:48:22] say we need to install the same landscape there was there in 1989, doesn't make sense either.

[1:48:26] So I'm comfortable with a consultation but not with not with an application at the HOA gets to decide what plans go in.

[1:48:35] Thanks.

[1:48:36] Okay.

[1:48:36] Thank you.

[1:48:37] All right.

[1:48:38] I'm saying I'm looking more time.

[1:48:39] I'm not seeing a hand from anybody else.

[1:48:41] I have no questions at the moment.

[1:48:42] I think I'll have a comment when we come back.

[1:48:44] But since we've got two questions,

[1:48:46] but I'd like to do next is open up the public hearing.

[1:48:48] And see if we have any comments from members of the public.

[1:48:52] Thank you, Mayor Landvin.

[1:48:53] Speaking to our attendees, if you'd like to make a public comment, please use your raise hand icon.

[1:49:05] Mayor Landman, that will end public comment.

[1:49:08] All right, we'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the council.

[1:49:11] See if we have any disperse or discussion before we look to emotion, anybody have anything they would like to add or say about it.

[1:49:18] It's going once going twice.

[1:49:22] Yeah, I have to admit I have some thoughts on this.

[1:49:25] have kind of like my colleague, Vice Mayor Harvey, worried about this issue for years.

[1:49:33] We were in a difficult position of being underfooted in the city and having some assessment

[1:49:38] districts that didn't have eskulatory clauses built in.

[1:49:41] No rowing costs and as the cost of everything else went forward, it put us in a bind.

[1:49:47] But we are at least for now in a different place, I think we really have to just make these

[1:49:54] If we can't get people to vote in the majority and I think that's just incredibly of likely and hardly worth a trouble.

[1:50:02] I think we just have to say that's the cost of doing business and treat in the city maintained.

[1:50:10] It's a legacy that we are stuck with because of past action that wasn't adequate for long-term cost

[1:50:18] and I think we have to live with that.

[1:50:19] And as I look at it, I have some cover in saying that because as I hear the associated

[1:50:23] costs while they're not insignificant amounts of money, as far as what we do as a city

[1:50:29] on a regular basis with most studies and plans and consultants, it's pretty minimal sounding.

[1:50:36] And I think the concept of just going on is we've gone on the past with this, which is

[1:50:41] resulted in some areas to look, frankly, in my personal opinion, and I've brought this

[1:50:46] before. Not very good. And even if people are paying not that much in the tax roll,

[1:50:51] they're still paying an tax roll for an assessment district, and they look by and all

[1:50:54] they see as a lot of dead plants generally in some kind of thread bear canbark. That's not

[1:51:01] the type of city I think that staff wants to have continuity, and I don't think the electives want

[1:51:07] to see that either. I mean, I just pictureing the idea of driving by some nice planings on

[1:51:14] And actually during this time of year, seeing some monarch butterflies, that's the type of city I'd like the thought to be able to move to gain.

[1:51:23] And I think as long as it's a cost that's for now when I believe these largely would be my direction to the future.

[1:51:31] Not tonight, but to the future would be that's where we should go.

[1:51:35] We need to invite you to sit down and take a look. What does it need to run all of these correctly, including the ones that can't fund themselves?

[1:51:42] How do we define what's a good level, what's an unspeakable level?

[1:51:47] We need that, we need to do that, and then I think we need to just budget and plan for it.

[1:51:52] If there wasn't my last meeting, I would, this would probably by now since we could have this discussion

[1:51:56] for years.

[1:51:57] I think I'd be voting no on the assessment of the public hearing, but since I'm seeing this

[1:52:04] change happening, I'm hearing these discussions to the council, I'm happy to support it tonight.

[1:52:08] But anyway, I wanted to make the comment.

[1:52:10] I think that's the direction we should go in the future.

[1:52:14] So I see a hand from Vice Mayor Hardin.

[1:52:18] Thank you, Mayor.

[1:52:19] I guess I would like a little bit more clarification on that.

[1:52:23] And it really has to do with expectations.

[1:52:28] So these assessment districts are set up

[1:52:31] and that it's contractual and there's expectations.

[1:52:35] The example mayor that you're giving given is more philosophical about how we would like our community to look.

[1:52:46] And I agree with you, we want our community to look nice.

[1:52:52] But my concern is that if we have a contractual relationship with these districts and all of a sudden,

[1:53:00] we're having to pay for the expectations that are within these contracts, then that doesn't

[1:53:12] give us any leeway to work within our means that we may or may not have in a given stretch of

[1:53:24] So I'd like Mr. Spot to speak to that, is this something where where we need to get rid of some of these districts, and then it's really as we can afford to make these changes versus the expectations that are in these contracts.

[1:53:50] Well, I kind of had a reaction to the mayor's statement of voting against this because this process needs to be followed.

[1:54:00] I think we all understand that to make these assessments.

[1:54:07] And so there's about $50,000 total amongst the 10 zones.

[1:54:13] And so if we don't follow this process every year to the letter, then we get zero.

[1:54:20] So I just wanted to make sure everybody understood that.

[1:54:25] Your question is what council member Harvey,

[1:54:33] these are contractual relationships we have.

[1:54:38] You would like us to look to see what our

[1:54:43] options are to re-opening the contracts and I guess I'm not exactly sure what's being asked.

[1:54:55] It's the, I could also, sorry, but I could also add that.

[1:55:03] I think it's a good option to have in the future what are, you know, what are our expectations for these landscape districts I think.

[1:55:13] I would not, of course, recommend dissolving any, just because even if they're partly contributing

[1:55:21] to the costs, because they're still contributing something to defer that, you know, what

[1:55:25] we'd otherwise be spending in the general fund, but I mean, you are right that there's, you

[1:55:32] know, that there's an expectation if you provide any money at all there's an expectation

[1:55:37] of service and where we were before measure s is we had you know we let them go because we couldn't

[1:55:45] be couldn't spend any more than we were bringing in for obvious reasons but the conversation I think

[1:55:51] now is do we want to you know knowingly maintain them sort of as a city landscape and just take the

[1:56:00] assessment as a subsidy to the general fund that we put into it, to maintain it at all of

[1:56:06] us at a common maintenance, common level of maintenance. I think if you maintain it at a common

[1:56:12] level of maintenance, you're not going to probably have the complaints that we would get all the

[1:56:16] time from the people that we're seeing those landscapes deteriorate, obviously. But, you know,

[1:56:23] comes with the recognition that we would have these substances with the general fund. Right. So

[1:56:29] I think it's a, I guess really what I'm, you know, just to kind of summarize, I would, you know,

[1:56:37] to your question, I would not recommend dissolving the landscape districts just because,

[1:56:41] even though they may not cover all the cost they do cover some of the costs, which is helpful.

[1:56:47] And, you know, what level of uniform maintenance we want to take for all the landscape areas are, I think,

[1:56:52] Maybe a good conversation for the future, if we want to.

[1:56:56] And then we can knowingly go into this beyond just District 2,

[1:57:01] which is obviously a psychoneca.

[1:57:03] Well, then I think that that's what I'd like us to look into

[1:57:07] because who are we fooling?

[1:57:09] They owe us $50,000.

[1:57:11] They're never going to pay it.

[1:57:12] They can't even pay for the lighting and water.

[1:57:17] So to have this report and act like they're ever going to pay us back,

[1:57:25] it seems false to me. So we have to, it's not working and we have to do something different

[1:57:35] rather than keep ratcheting up that number. And what that different approach is, you know,

[1:57:42] I let staff decide what that is. But this, this is embarrassing, if you will, to have that number

[1:57:52] ratchet up year after year after year, knowing that it's never going to come down. And I do

[1:57:58] agree with the mayor that yes, we want the city to look properly, but let's be honest about

[1:58:06] where those funds are coming from and what the expectations are. And that's really that that area

[1:58:14] has to know what the expectations are and we have to come to grips with how it is we're going to

[1:58:21] work with them. And that's really what I'm asking, because this is a working.

[1:58:29] It's my party. Yeah. Yeah, you know, we're approaching this in different directions, but I think there's a lot you said that we agree with the problem we see in front of this. And I want to be clear if I wasn't.

[1:58:40] I wasn't saying that I would vote no, or and I certainly wasn't trying to encourage my colleagues to vote no on this tonight as some sort of protest.

[1:58:47] I was merely indicating that if this was to go on as business is usual for years to come,

[1:58:54] I would be getting to that point and I think I'm trying to approach this logically

[1:59:00] from work the facts on the ground.

[1:59:04] We have a bad contract.

[1:59:05] We have several bad contracts and there are a fault.

[1:59:08] We should have known better, we should have known that these needed to be rolling costs and

[1:59:12] we didn't and that's our fault and the only way out of it would be to get

[1:59:16] That's most of the people that live there to vote in a majority to increase that tax.

[1:59:22] And I think just knowing people, that's understandably unlikely.

[1:59:25] And particularly, because many of these areas, the landscapes have been underserved for some

[1:59:29] years.

[1:59:30] I think our possibility of getting a majority to vote for that a very slim.

[1:59:34] If that was a direction the council wanted to go in the future, it might be worth the effort.

[1:59:39] But assuming that doesn't work, you only have one other option.

[1:59:42] You either just do the landscapes, right, and accept that as the cost of doing business is something

[1:59:47] is expected from cities in a deep, right across the street and murder, something the city does or you let it totally go to ruin.

[1:59:55] And if economically we had to do that, we'll gosh that would be an easy choice because there's other services.

[2:00:00] You do that are more important, but if we're not in that position, then I think we should be looking

[2:00:04] at what's the best way of doing this. So I've mentioned my comments as perhaps just a

[2:00:10] future discussion. Perhaps the next time we start our budgetary planning to take a look at this,

[2:00:15] decide what is the level of service, what is the look, the best fit we want for this community,

[2:00:21] and how do we provide it and just plan to do it in focus less in which ones are bad contacts

[2:00:28] and which ones are appropriate ones at overall in costs and just accept the past to take care

[2:00:34] of the city as necessary as possible. So for giving my last year and being able to weigh in

[2:00:37] in this and it's something I've wanted to see improved for years. So sorry to take you all down

[2:00:41] around with all. So anyway, I'm going to look one more time because anybody else has any comments

[2:00:46] they'd like to share. I'm not seeing any hands go up in the list. So with that, I will see if we have

[2:00:53] anybody that would like to move, adopting the resolution for approving the annual engineer's

[2:00:58] report and other actions. I see Ham from Councilmember Moore.

[2:01:03] I would be happy to shed a little light on this and put forth the motion here. Resolution

[2:01:09] should approve against the nearest report confirming assessment diagram and annual assessment amounts

[2:01:14] and living and collecting of the annual assessments for the Katati landscaping and lighting

[2:01:19] assessment district with fiscal year 22 23. I see what you did there by putting a little light on the lighting district. I like that. So we have a move by Council member more to have a second. Please second.

[2:01:34] Second by Vice Mayor Harvey. It was clear to not even close. So we will go and see if we can have a roll call.

[2:01:45] Council Member Ford.

[2:01:49] Yes.

[2:01:50] Council Member Moore.

[2:01:54] Council Member Sparks.

[2:01:56] Yes.

[2:01:57] Vice Mayor Harvey.

[2:01:58] Yes.

[2:01:59] Mayor Landman.

[2:02:01] Yes.

[2:02:04] All right.

[2:02:04] So that concludes item B under this part of our agenda.

[2:02:09] It takes us next to item C, which is a public hearing on outstanding backflow

[2:02:14] charges assessments.

[2:02:16] And if we could have our staff to sort in that, please.

[2:02:18] As Mayor, members of the Council, once again Craig Scott, City Engineer Public Works Director,

[2:02:24] this item we try to track every year with the landscape and lighting assessment district

[2:02:29] item because it once kit is loving assessments against properties but this time it's for

[2:02:36] those folks out there that have backflow prevention devices that have not paid their invoices

[2:02:46] for their annual certification and so owners are giving a notification of the annual certification requirement.

[2:02:59] And given a choice of finding their own contract to certify, do the test of their backlog device

[2:03:06] or have the city provide that test and invoice them.

[2:03:10] Backflow devices just quickly all commercial customers are required to have backflow devices

[2:03:18] because they could have systems equipment on site that could push contaminants water back into our system.

[2:03:28] And then anybody with a pool or a private well similarly are required to have backflow devices.

[2:03:35] So the city does keep an inventory and tracks these and since it's a it's a whole program within our water system building program to maintain

[2:03:45] to make sure that we're a compliant and the customers are compliant with the state requirement to certify these backflow devices.

[2:03:53] This year we have 43 customers that's not pay, that's kind of the number it was.

[2:04:03] I believe from last year, it's holding it at about 40, 50 folks every year.

[2:04:11] So this is a second trip where to counsel on this item.

[2:04:15] The first was two, a couple of months ago to have the notice of intent to

[2:04:23] levianous these assessments and to set the public hearing and then in the interim we went ahead and

[2:04:31] made the publications of the newspaper as required by by state law. So at this point

[2:04:38] We're asking for City Council to conduct the public hearing and following that to approve

[2:04:51] resolution established in the outstanding backflow testing charges and directing the

[2:04:56] living of assessments for the fiscal year 2022-23 property tax rules.

[2:05:02] Thank you.

[2:05:04] I'll ask the Council.

[2:05:04] If anybody has any questions for Mr. Scott, were we open the public hearing and I'll give

[2:05:10] just a second to see if anybody wants to raise your hand and I'm not seeing that.

[2:05:16] So I will ask the Deputy City Clerk if we can open the public hearing, please.

[2:05:21] Thank you, Mayor Landvin.

[2:05:22] If you'd like to make a public comment, please use your raise hand icon.

[2:05:31] Mayor Landvin, that will end public comment.

[2:05:34] Okay.

[2:05:34] Let me ask you, Mr. Patterson, then in terms of protests, did we receive protests or insufficient?

[2:05:45] Did we receive any protests on this tonight?

[2:05:47] There were no protests received.

[2:05:50] I would say that's very insufficient.

[2:05:52] Thank you.

[2:05:52] All right.

[2:05:53] We'll so I'll bring it back to Councilman to see if there's any discussion from anyone.

[2:05:57] And if there's no hands for discussion, then I'd love to see a hand for emotion.

[2:06:02] I would move that we approve a resolution establishing the outstanding backflow testing charges

[2:06:09] and directing the loving of assessments on the fiscal year 2223 property tax rolls.

[2:06:16] Thank you, Vice Mayor Harvey.

[2:06:18] Do we have a second for that?

[2:06:21] A second.

[2:06:23] And a second for Councilmember Moore.

[2:06:24] Thank you. All right.

[2:06:25] Do we have a roll call vote today?

[2:06:28] Councilmember Ford.

[2:06:30] Yes.

[2:06:31] Councilmember Moore.

[2:06:33] Yes.

[2:06:34] Councilmember Sparks.

[2:06:35] Yes.

[2:06:36] Vice Mayor Harvey.

[2:06:38] Yes.

[2:06:39] Mayor Landman.

[2:06:41] Yes.

[2:06:42] All right.

[2:06:43] So that's unanimous.

[2:06:44] Let's bring this back then.

[2:06:45] And we are moving on from public hearing B2 public hearing C, and this is a public hearing to receive all of our written notices for back establishing the outstanding backflow test and charges and the levying of assessments for the chair.

[2:07:03] Mr. Scott, I believe you have this report as well.

[2:07:06] Yeah, this report is the next one, which is very similar, but it's for

[2:07:11] The court charges

[2:07:15] It's easy to run these two together. Well, it's it's hard. You get to all the pages on the phone too, but you're right

[2:07:21] Yes, so let's move to that one

[2:07:23] Thank you

[2:07:24] so

[2:07:26] Again, this is an item annually where the city has

[2:07:30] This is its last resort mechanism to collect overdue fees.

[2:07:39] And so these are the, it's one.

[2:07:41] It's one customer every year, it's the same property that does not pay their sewer bill.

[2:07:50] And so what happens then, the six payments have a $20 per payment penalty.

[2:07:58] So there's $120 tacked on to their bill and the city collects their sewer bill by putting it going through this process and

[2:08:09] putting it on their property tax assessment.

[2:08:13] I mean, the question people would have is, well, why aren't we seeing water delinquency?

[2:08:19] And that's because the city has a very effective way to get people to pay their water bill.

[2:08:25] And that is to shut off their water service.

[2:08:27] and so they come in immediately and pay their water bill.

[2:08:31] So, but on the sewer side of things,

[2:08:35] we have sewer only accounts,

[2:08:37] and so we don't have meters or valves or anything

[2:08:41] on their sewer pipeline for obvious reasons.

[2:08:46] And so this is something we don't have a hammer,

[2:08:50] except for just to put it on their assessment.

[2:08:53] And again, this is the repeat customer.

[2:08:57] that fails to pay their sewer bill. So we're forced to do this each year.

[2:09:07] That's it for me, Mayor.

[2:09:09] Thank you, Mr. Scott. Yeah, this is certainly a day to a few moments for you and us every year. I hear you.

[2:09:15] What's that? Let's move into the council, though, and see if anybody has any questions tonight.

[2:09:20] I'm

[2:09:23] not seeing the hands go up.

[2:09:25] So let's go right then if we can open the public hearing on the Sue sewer

[2:09:30] delinquencies.

[2:09:33] If you would like to make a public comment, please use your raise hand icon.

[2:09:42] Mayor Landman, that will end public comment.

[2:09:45] All right.

[2:09:46] And I'll ask just once again, did we receive any written protests?

[2:09:49] So did we receive sufficient or insufficient protests tonight?

[2:09:52] There were no protests received.

[2:09:55] Very good.

[2:09:55] Thank you for that.

[2:09:56] So I'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the council.

[2:09:58] ask you a hand from the vice mayor. I'd be happy to make a motion for you and my goodness, Mr. Scott,

[2:10:05] I wish that there was some way for us to put some kind of a valve to not have us have to do this every

[2:10:14] year. But with that, maybe you'll come up with something in the future. I'd like to move to adopt a

[2:10:20] resolution approving itemized report of sewer charges and penalties outstanding and directing

[2:10:27] having a assessment on fiscal year 2223 on that property tax rules.

[2:10:33] Thank you, section that.

[2:10:36] And thank you, Council Member Ford for a second.

[2:10:38] We'll ask that if we could have a roll call vote on this please.

[2:10:41] Council Member Ford.

[2:10:43] Yes.

[2:10:44] Council Member Moore.

[2:10:46] Yes.

[2:10:47] Council Member Sparks.

[2:10:49] Yes.

[2:10:50] Vice Mayor Harvey.

[2:10:52] Yes.

[2:10:52] Mayor Landman.

[2:10:53] And yes, so thank you everybody, that does complete our four public hearings for tonight and moves us now to item 12, which is our regular agenda, which we have three items under.

[2:11:04] We'll start with item A and this is our SB 1383 Recology Franchise and Waste Delivery Agreement amendments.

[2:11:12] And we was our presenter tonight. Will that be you, Mr. Ovid?

[2:11:15] It's all lead it off, and then we have Alex Sawyard with our three that's going to present.

[2:11:22] And so everyone knows we also have Fred Stemler and Nikki Burke with us tonight from

[2:11:28] Recology to help him for any questions.

[2:11:32] I may interrupt for just a moment.

[2:11:35] I can't remember more. Go ahead.

[2:11:36] I am going to reduce myself from this particular item due to financial considerations.

[2:11:42] So I will stop the video and audio.

[2:11:47] Thank you very much.

[2:11:49] Should we have someone text you when we're done?

[2:11:51] That would be terrific.

[2:11:52] Very good.

[2:11:53] Thank you, Councilmember Moore.

[2:11:54] We'll see you after.

[2:12:00] Thanks.

[2:12:02] So in a nutshell, before we start the presentation,

[2:12:05] the item before us tonight is.

[2:12:08] One would be an amendment to the frantic agreement for waste collection and disposal.

[2:12:18] And that amendment with recolored would do a couple things.

[2:12:22] One is that it would revise our franchise to account for these changes in law,

[2:12:27] resulting from SB 1383, which is the New Organic Collection Law.

[2:12:32] Also extending the franchise agreement by five years and then separately there's an agreement called the waste delivery agreement between the city

[2:12:42] Recology and Republic Services who is a LAMP, the County LAMP operator, which is essentially a waste delivery agreement that's all cities

[2:12:52] It's a snowman county, essentially all the cities in snowman county are parting to separately.

[2:12:59] So with that, we'll introduce Alex and Kevin, if you get that power point up.

[2:13:10] Thank you, Ding-In and thank you,ator Landman.

[2:13:14] Good evening, cast members.

[2:13:15] My name is Alex Suart.

[2:13:16] I'm with R3 Consulting Group.

[2:13:18] I also have William Michelleon with R3 is also in attendance this evening.

[2:13:23] Please, for a second, to you this evening on S.D.

[2:13:26] 153 Fireshized Agreement amendment and the amendment to the Waste Library Agreement.

[2:13:31] I'll go through a pre-presentation and any questions like you didn't have answered at the end.

[2:13:36] So, next slide please.

[2:13:39] So, we'll give a brief background on the S.D. 1383 and its requirements.

[2:13:44] And we'll review the Waste System amendments and we'll cover the resulting rating for instance.

[2:13:49] Read rate increase.

[2:13:50] Next slide please.

[2:13:52] So, a little bit of background, I'll ask you 138 for you. It's the short live

[2:13:56] climate pollutions act.

[2:13:58] Plutence act is passed in 2016 and it's started getting enforced.

[2:14:02] If we get into this year, if focus is on reducing emissions from organic

[2:14:06] disposal and it sets targets for organics recovery statewide, this builds on

[2:14:12] AB 1826, which was started getting implemented in 2016, which was

[2:14:18] organic requirement for a question on commercial and multi-family units. So this goes farther and requires

[2:14:27] all generators, residential, commercial, and multi-family to have organic service. Next slide please.

[2:14:35] So the city has a list of responsibilities in RSV 1383. Those are to provide organic

[2:14:42] questions to all to establish a edible food recovery program to conduct outreach and education

[2:14:48] to the community about the new program. The city must procure recovered organic products and

[2:14:54] recycled content paper to close the loop. The city also must secure access to it.

[2:15:00] Noble Food Recovery Capacity, and Organics Processing Capacity Mode Forward, and the city was also

[2:15:07] moderate compliance by conducting or out reviews and contamination moderate. Next slide, please.

[2:15:16] So here's a

[2:15:17] little diagram about kind of how the different agreements work in facilitate waste collection in

[2:15:24] So the first left hand portion of the slide is has waste collection throughout the city and that's done directly throughout through the franchise agreement,

[2:15:34] within agreement between the city and re-cology.

[2:15:38] The contracts that govern the waste transfer to the central landfill are the waste delivery agreement between the city of Katadi and Republic and the franchise holiday agreement,

[2:15:47] which is between the Sea of Cotty,

[2:15:49] ecology, and republic, and then on the waste disposal

[2:15:52] and processing end, the master opera

[2:15:55] student's agreement, the snowmaccount

[2:15:58] equals with the republic, coverings that,

[2:16:01] and then these prime sub-cron-crack

[2:16:03] between the republic and ecology

[2:16:05] also determines what happens with that

[2:16:07] material.

[2:16:09] Next slide, please.

[2:16:12] So the master operating agreement

[2:16:14] dictates the processing and disposal

[2:16:16] of material. The existing commercial food waste program is offered under the master operating

[2:16:22] agreement and the crisis does not currently collect organics and recyclable from all generators

[2:16:28] as a part by SB3203. Amended master operating agreement eliminates the $4201 cent gate fee

[2:16:37] that funded the program and that revenue has to be replaced. The cost to implement the SB3203

[2:16:43] program improvements are addressed in the French has agreement amendment and it's associated

[2:16:48] region. Next slide please.

[2:16:53] The waste delivery agreement requires the transfer of waste to the central landfill. Eliminates

[2:16:59] the food and dry commercial mixed waste programs offered by the master operating agreement.

[2:17:05] It has been revised to eliminate the $4.21 ton fee that has funded the program in the past

[2:17:12] And that will now be adjusted on customer rates

[2:17:15] through the annual rate adjustment process.

[2:17:17] This enables more efficient collection of food waste.

[2:17:22] Next slide, please.

[2:17:28] So the franchise agreement amendment

[2:17:30] adds SB 13, 1383 compliant programs,

[2:17:34] including the rollout of free bin systems, all customers,

[2:17:38] additional drivers and trucks to provide the service,

[2:17:41] purchasing of compliant containers and labels,

[2:17:45] conducting route reviews and compliance reviews

[2:17:46] to ensure customers are separating materials properly, providing outreach and education to all customers

[2:17:52] and reporting to Cal Recycle on the reporting primence for the new law, and additionally with

[2:17:59] this franchise amendment, there is a five-year extension of the contracts, and rate adjustments

[2:18:04] will cover additional operating expenses to implement programs.

[2:18:09] Next slide, please.

[2:18:12] So this will result in a 6.4% one-time rate adjustment.

[2:18:15] I'll be effective January 1st, 2023, the rate has just been included in the draft franchise.

[2:18:21] Is it included in the draft franchise agreement?

[2:18:24] And it funds SB 1383 compliant residential and commercial collection services.

[2:18:31] And next slide.

[2:18:33] We'll finish and put any questions.

[2:18:36] Perfect.

[2:18:37] Go to our council.

[2:18:38] We'll see if anybody has any questions first.

[2:18:40] Speaker's tonight.

[2:18:46] And I'm seeing a handful of council members parks.

[2:18:47] Please go ahead.

[2:18:48] Okay, I noticed that one of the components for the increased cost was the fuel costs for the additional vehicle to do the compost green waste recovery.

[2:18:59] Pick up.

[2:19:00] And my question was just as recall, do you have any plans to move to electric vehicles for new vehicles with their purchasing?

[2:19:10] Do you have memories from recalling you here, so they can try to answer that themselves or I do not.

[2:19:19] It's just my audio coming through.

[2:19:22] Yes, it is.

[2:19:23] Hi, it's just Fred Stemler, I'm the general manager.

[2:19:26] Recology as a whole has been pursuing electric vehicles for some time now.

[2:19:31] One of the things that is an impediment to rolling these out.

[2:19:37] Actually, hang on a second.

[2:19:46] I got an order from over here.

[2:19:48] So the trucks essentially aren't capable of completing the route at this point.

[2:19:53] So we've demoed several models, but they haven't rolled out one,

[2:19:56] texting the inductor in an entire full day route.

[2:20:00] So we've got several models that are working the way through,

[2:20:04] but we anticipate somewhere in the next 12 to 24 months

[2:20:07] we may see a full route truck available.

[2:20:10] It just because the battery capacity is not high enough, too.

[2:20:13] Exactly.

[2:20:14] Yeah, it's just with the weight of the vehicle and the amount of miles of the

[2:20:18] cover is the cell is just not large enough to complete a full route.

[2:20:22] Okay, thank you.

[2:20:26] Thank you, Council Member Sparks.

[2:20:27] Good question.

[2:20:28] Let's see.

[2:20:29] Anybody else?

[2:20:31] All right.

[2:20:31] I'm not seeing any questions at this point.

[2:20:33] So this might be a perfect time.

[2:20:34] Then to go and open public comment, please.

[2:20:38] Thank you, Mayor Landman.

[2:20:39] Speaking to our attendees.

[2:20:40] If you'd like to make a public comment.

[2:20:42] Please use your raise hand icon.

[2:20:50] Mayor Landman.

[2:20:50] That will end public comment.

[2:20:53] All right.

[2:20:53] Well, I'll bring it back to the council and see if there's any further discussion.

[2:20:56] questions or anything else from the council. And if I don't see that shortly, then I'll ask

[2:21:02] you somebody would like to make a motion on this issue.

[2:21:07] Happy to make a motion, Mayor. If you'd like.

[2:21:11] Yeah, thank you, goodbye, Mayor. I think it's not time.

[2:21:14] Okay. I move that we adopt a resolution one, authorizing the city manager to sign the first amendment

[2:21:22] to the franchise agreement for collection, disposal, and processing of solid waste recyclables

[2:21:28] and compostable materials related activities pursuant to chapter 8.08 of the Katadi Municipal Code to implement SB 1383 and extend the franchise agreement by five years and to approving the proposed Omnibus amendment to waste delivery agreement and franchise policy agreement.

[2:21:54] Thank you for that, Vice Mayor Harvey. Do we have a second from anybody on the council?

[2:21:58] Second.

[2:21:59] And a second from Council Member Sparks.

[2:22:01] Thank you.

[2:22:02] All right.

[2:22:03] With that, I just before we have revoked.

[2:22:05] I would like to thank Art 3 and Recology for being here tonight.

[2:22:08] I know it's always difficult at the end of the day to do.

[2:22:11] One more virtual meeting, particularly when we're all working from home,

[2:22:14] which is not always as easy as we might have thought it would have been some years ago.

[2:22:19] But it's appreciated to have you here in case any questions and arose.

[2:22:22] And I think there's the years of good work we've had together going through these

[2:22:26] These processes have brought us to a point where tonight we actually didn't have a lot of questions

[2:22:31] but thank you for being here. So with that I'm going to ask if we can have a roll call vote please.

[2:22:37] Council member Ford. Yes. Council member Sparks. Yes.

[2:22:43] Vice Mayor Harvey. Yes. Mayor Landman. Yes. All right. Thank you Council. This completes

[2:22:51] the item A under our regular agenda. We're not going to go to item B, which is adoption

[2:22:55] of Katati's budget and capital improvement program for years 22, 23.

[2:23:02] Maryland, I don't know, Damien, can you tell us something?

[2:23:07] I'll go out there.

[2:23:09] Thank you, I just received that text.

[2:23:11] Thank you.

[2:23:12] Thank you.

[2:23:13] Thank you, and thank you, bring it up there. And I should assume that it was being done.

[2:23:17] We all know about that.

[2:23:21] So with that, if we're ready to jump into, we'll get a council member more a second to get back and move to our budget item.

[2:23:32] We're ready to go.

[2:23:33] Mayor Lina.

[2:23:34] Thank you.

[2:23:35] Good evening, Mayor.

[2:23:36] Council members of the public and fellow staff.

[2:23:39] We're going to wait for the presentation to pop up.

[2:23:43] But tonight, as you said, we're going to be presenting for you the approval for the proposed budget for fiscal year,

[2:23:50] 2223 as well as then we'll tell you your capital program.

[2:23:59] Kevin, would you mind advancing the slide please?

[2:24:04] Thank you.

[2:24:05] So our budget process is not just a single document or a meeting, but rather it is a year-long process.

[2:24:11] Even after the budget is adopted, it is a reviewed and updated with council resolution adoptions.

[2:24:17] and then in November December the city manager and the administrative services department

[2:24:22] develop a plan for the upcoming protocol budget sessions and season. In January we provide

[2:24:30] the midyear report which provides an update on the existing fiscal year budget and where we stand

[2:24:37] and then in February through May there are separate budget studies sessions and meetings which include

[2:24:44] internal budget reviews, budget study sessions, and this all leads to the budget adoption again.

[2:24:51] So if you'd like to learn more about the budget process, please see packet page 413 as well

[2:24:56] as a budget video, which is on the city website as well as the budget online.

[2:25:05] Next slide.

[2:25:08] So this

[2:25:08] year's budget study sessions started in February 15th with the strategic planning session sessions,

[2:25:15] which developed the cities objectives and goals, followed by April 19th and May 17th,

[2:25:21] where the numbers were actually discussed for the proposed budgets for all the funds

[2:25:26] including the capital projects, leading to now with the presentation for the adoption of the

[2:25:32] 2223 budget.

[2:25:36] So the key thing at the February 15th strategic planning session was the council's

[2:25:41] review of the city's strategic objectives. This was then revised and brought that for approval on

[2:25:47] on 19th. Changes that were part of that discussion and revisions that were made were really

[2:25:54] separating out that climate change as a separate specific goal for the city. And we also

[2:25:59] revise some key supporting focus items under providing the best and class community services.

[2:26:06] Next slide.

[2:26:09] So the most difficult part in providing this full budget and presentation over

[2:26:14] Last month or so has been the moving targets and information to provide about what's really happening in our economy right now.

[2:26:23] This is a very brief recap of the economic indicators and everything is really indicating that it's still continuing to be highly volatile with GDP growth looking to decline into 2223 and the current unemployment rates are really hitting pre pandemic levels.

[2:26:42] So we'll go as smidge deeper into the effects of these and what's playing into these in the next slide.

[2:26:49] But first, I do want to point out that in the packet on page 422, it provides really kind of more of a summary,

[2:26:56] but detailed summary of an economic outlook and how those considerations went into our budget development process.

[2:27:05] Next slide.

[2:27:07] So, some key assumptions that impact or economic environment, including global national considerations that really can be felt here in Kentucky.

[2:27:18] So, inflation, key impacts from the federal fed tools that are being used to combat inflation, to increasing interest rates, the legislative impacts that might be coming down the pike.

[2:27:31] How do we build around those assumptions like what what might be happening with gas,

[2:27:37] tax holidays? You know, how is that going to impact our infrastructure?

[2:27:41] These are things we have to assume and build out for but we really never know what's going to happen.

[2:27:47] We still have a lingering effects as to as we are recovering from COVID-19 and these are kind of

[2:27:54] things like inventory shortages, staffing shortages, and then we also have the global sanctions

[2:28:00] against Russia, and it impacts on commodities like gas, which are currently absolutely

[2:28:05] felt here at home here at being taught. Next slide.

[2:28:11] So down to you again, the key fund for

[2:28:13] Petody, which is the general fund. This is a primary fund used by the city for all of our government

[2:28:19] really activities. These accounts for everything that is not in your price or water and sewer,

[2:28:25] or our special segregated funds that are for special purposes. We went into depth in the

[2:28:31] development of the general fund budgets during the study sessions in April 19th and May 17th and really there's no significant changes since then that are being proposed for adoption at this point.

[2:28:43] Next slide.

[2:28:46] And again,

[2:28:50] so highlights the general fund budget are a slight decline in operating revenues of approximately $30,000.

[2:28:57] This is due to conservative budgeting on uncertain charges for service fees.

[2:29:03] We continue to have a balanced operating budget with a net surplus of 1.3 million.

[2:29:10] And accumulated surface is then rolled in and being used to fund those capital projects,

[2:29:17] which in turn are estimated to receive an additional matching grants of close to 1.2 million

[2:29:24] for the budget year 2223. Next slide.

[2:29:30] So other highlights are, we really are meeting and

[2:29:33] exceeding the required reserve of the 25% for both the estimated budget year of 2122, as

[2:29:41] well as the proposed 2223 fiscal years. Adjusting for the budgeting of the ARPA funds, the operating

[2:29:49] revenues are estimated to increase from the adopted budget by 7.5% from the estimated 2122 budget and then 7.

[2:30:00] Like 2% for the proposed 2223 budget. On the opposite side, for expenditures staffing costs is really consistent with the adopted budget that we have for 2122. And we will further talk about the actual estimated actuals for expenditures are different due to our one time UAL distribution for ADP.

[2:30:26] The major expenditure changes for the budget you are related to again the contract services for insurance.

[2:30:34] The new debt service for the least at the streets work as well as the one time of the election expense this fall.

[2:30:43] Next slide please.

[2:30:46] So as you can see there is less than a .5% change in the operating revenues for the proposed fiscal year 2223.

[2:30:56] The increase in property tax and sales tax and other taxes are offset by the decreases and the charges for services.

[2:31:06] And these charges for services are really uncertain revenues year to year because they're based on the developments that happen at that point in time.

[2:31:14] And we currently don't have any solid.

[2:31:17] We know this is being dug up and built right now.

[2:31:21] And so we can't think on those revenues being in.

[2:31:24] as well as there was a decrease in other revenues and this other revenues had a one-time receipt of a deposit refund

[2:31:31] approximately $200,000 so that is a one-time receipt we don't budget for one time off things

[2:31:37] that have no expectation in the future. Alternatively we are anticipating slightly the better

[2:31:43] investment returns as interest rates increase and so some markets and CDs were actually seeing them

[2:31:49] bound on those returns.

[2:31:53] Next slide please.

[2:31:57] So overall this forecast budget is based on the best available information for today.

[2:32:04] Estimates, again, that's my favorite word are conservative.

[2:32:07] We're making sure we're trying to keep it as solid as possible.

[2:32:10] A little bit of making sure revenues are reasonable and the expenses as well are reasonable.

[2:32:17] The sales tax measure G, which make up approximately 60% of the general fund operating revenues,

[2:32:24] are projected based on a 2% growth due to the strong demand for goods at a higher price currently.

[2:32:31] Again, we don't know what's going to happen.

[2:32:33] Footprint for recession, people's spending habits change or reduced, but this is a conservative estimate of what is being met by our community right now.

[2:32:44] And we can look at that as our key industries listed here.

[2:32:50] Now, for our property taxes, which are approximately 20% of the general fund operating revenues,

[2:32:55] we do have an estimate of increasing 2% of the prior budget due to the completion of higher tax valued properties,

[2:33:02] mostly casting ranch, and the additional expected 2% from the assessors applied CPI.

[2:33:09] cannabis tax is increasing due to the additional retail permit.

[2:33:14] We're seeing hopefully coming online within the early of 2223.

[2:33:19] We're going to expect the continuation of this no-mistate dispatch agreement,

[2:33:23] as well as, again, mentioned in the previous slide,

[2:33:26] would you have a reduction of other revenue due to that one-time payment?

[2:33:32] So flipping over to the operating expenditures.

[2:33:36] So these are the key items that really affect all of the departments

[2:33:40] across the operating expenses for the general fund again.

[2:33:45] So nothing different has come out from compared to our strategic planning sessions.

[2:33:50] All departments were affected by the CalPERS additional discretionary payment.

[2:33:55] As well as we're still continuing to propose that lump sum payment

[2:33:59] in the beginning of this year 2223 in order to save that 3% additional costs

[2:34:06] by spring them out throughout the year. Secondly, we have the allocation of contract services,

[2:34:12] which are based on the department's proportion of the FTE and so the as a contract services increase

[2:34:19] the allocation of the different departments increases by that amount and so the contract services

[2:34:24] increase. Third, we have the rising cost of insurance, which is noted, I mean 52% increase from our

[2:34:33] which is significant.

[2:34:36] There, we also have the full employment budgeting.

[2:34:39] So we do use in our budgeting to, again, be conservative

[2:34:43] that we estimate that everyone here, their position is full.

[2:34:48] It's filled full time.

[2:34:50] We don't build in gaps based on turnover or recruiting timelines

[2:34:56] or those types of things.

[2:34:59] Next slide.

[2:35:01] So I'll bring expenditures by department, the major adjusting item is that UALADP of just under $5 million.

[2:35:09] Adjusting for this, the total change in expenditures is around 9.5% or an increase of 767,000.

[2:35:18] More information on the detailed department budgets are available on packet pages for 53 to 494.

[2:35:26] And these department pages also include the department or charts of proposed projects for fiscal year 2022, 23, all of also was a part of our strategic planning sessions.

[2:35:38] And we'll go a little bit farther into detail as to what the specific changes were in each department on the next slide.

[2:35:48] So to summarize those financial changes by department, the city managers department continues to have the inclusion of the public information services.

[2:35:57] If they do have that addition of the election charges for 2223, we build an estimate of what we think it's going to take for election costs for the year and make sure it's included and that is where it is included in the city manager department.

[2:36:13] They also have a little bit of a flux within their personnel, where we have the reduction of the city clerk that is going to be offset slightly by the administrative assistant position.

[2:36:25] The Administrative Services Department is primarily increasing due to a budgeting for a new

[2:36:30] accountant, as well as we've had an open inter-position that we hope to fill this year.

[2:36:39] The Community Development changes primary due to additional part-time permit tech.

[2:36:44] That will be put into their department. The Public Works Department changes the primary due to

[2:36:50] increased users and subscriptions and that allocated insurance.

[2:36:53] So again, when you have more FTE, when you have a larger expense and you're allocating

[2:36:59] more of that expense, it impacts that department a lot more.

[2:37:03] And as well as they now have the operational funding for the Ronda Floody Branch for

[2:37:08] the second year.

[2:37:10] As I continue to grow.

[2:37:12] Next slide.

[2:37:13] On to the police services, this includes significant continued investment and technology services which are primarily provided by the public safety consortium and the additional cost of training, now that training is continuing to ongoing travel to training and the offsetting over time to make sure we're running that 24, 7, 365 operations with the required manpower without reducing that training.

[2:37:42] The other significant expense, again, is that allocation they have, because they are 24, 7, 3, 6, 5, they have the most FTE, so when you have a large expense, they get a larger piece of that larger expense.

[2:37:55] So, recreation department, so the recdesk annual software contract renewal, so this is a piece of it, and with that contract renewal, they also have banking fees, because you get to pay for your recreation classes, your camp fees and everything else through this recdesk service, and so they of course charge those big fees, and so that becomes more active those banking fees also become a little bit more of an increase in expense.

[2:38:27] So those are really the key points of the operating revenues and expenses, the other main component of the general funds are those non operating expenses revenues and transfers in.

[2:38:38] The transfers in are our standard cost grants prop 1, 72 funds which are brought in from a special revenue fund to cover some of the PD expenses.

[2:38:48] Again, really doesn't cover much. It's a little bit in the bucket, but it is something we make sure we transfer into cover those.

[2:38:56] The transfers out are primarily for careful projects and grants careful projects, as well as replenishment for a cost within the success latency fund as well as funding for that key night.

[2:39:10] Next slide.

[2:39:13] So careful projects in the multi-year plan.

[2:39:16] It is included within packet pages 667 to 872.

[2:39:21] And I should be referring everyone to all of these documents are all, you know, non document, but are available on our website that is fully manageable, manipulatable, you can pull your own budget reports as well in any specific detail you want and so the capital projects is a physical document that could be to over 200 pages, but if you want something specific on the individual project, you want to look at it a little bit deeper, look at the pictures a little bit better.

[2:39:49] You absolutely should check out the portal for our city budget as well as the capital projects online.

[2:39:58] So there's also an amendment to the pages that provided online because there were two projects in future years that were previously excluded.

[2:40:07] So I wanted to make sure those are pointed up.

[2:40:10] So for the budget, we'll be really just focusing on the projects for just the first fiscal year because that's the budget that we're adopting first year.

[2:40:20] So, for grants matching, we have both the Streets Project for PUCs May 2.9 million, as well as a

[2:40:27] Katati Park Project for 2.4 million. Again, more details in the scope of these projects are within

[2:40:33] those multi-year capital plan.

[2:40:41] Other Streets Projects include Work On Parks, which is a PUC at Park

[2:40:46] and PUC at PUC. And then our significant bit of work is all going to be done on streets, not that

[2:40:54] parks are not getting a big chunk of work done, they absolutely will, but streets are where we have a total of 7.7 million just in our capital projects streets work plus that 2.9 million work in that grant matching fund for a total of $10.5 million worth of street work that we are proposing to keep moving forward.

[2:41:18] Again, this does also include other key things we lump in

[2:41:22] the streets, but it's pedestrian, safety, by pad, the bench at

[2:41:27] Old Robert Highway 1116, Gateway Signage, so anything that's

[2:41:31] tangential to a street is a street project, not just the

[2:41:35] round that you drive over with your car. There's a lot of other

[2:41:39] pieces to it as well. Next slide, please.

[2:41:45] So, other key projects also

[2:41:47] include the Civic Center Windows Repairs or Building

[2:41:49] projects as well as we already discussed about the LLAD projects that we are coordinating as well and not included within the multi your capital program. We did want to make sure we highlighted that even invited within the general fund just as a part of our additional maintenance and work firm improvements we do have additional proposed parks and state refurbishments that are included within the parks as well as street

[2:42:21] maintenance within the general fund.

[2:42:24] So those are both for 35,000 weeks.

[2:42:28] Next slide.

[2:42:29] So that's really the piece on the general fund.

[2:42:31] The special revenue funds are these other funds that account for

[2:42:35] legally restricted or earmarked for special purposes.

[2:42:40] These special revenue funds are managed by multiple different

[2:42:43] departments as outlined in this slide.

[2:42:49] Next slide.

[2:42:50] So overall revenues, the primary contributors for these special revenues are taxes, like

[2:42:56] parks, measure M taxes, streets, measure M, gas tax, these are all special revenues that

[2:43:03] are supposed to be used for a special purpose.

[2:43:05] The other key are other revenues, like development fees for funds like inclusionary housing,

[2:43:12] affordable housing, parking lieu, traffic mitigation, as well as other grant revenues, like

[2:43:17] cops fleece like we just spoke about in the last line.

[2:43:22] So next slide.

[2:43:25] So this slide really takes

[2:43:26] those same revenues. So looking at them from their sources. And now here's actually what

[2:43:32] those different pieces are again. You'll see the gas talks. That's the talks piece of it that's

[2:43:36] the contributing for that piece. The public safety that's that fleece that cops grant are MRA,

[2:43:43] another self-tax, and Perk's Fischer M. So this is a breakout by those files. So this is where

[2:43:49] those revenues are by those special revenue funds.

[2:43:53] Next slide.

[2:43:56] So for the operations of these funds,

[2:43:58] primary, primarily they go to contributions

[2:44:03] to the or transfers out for our capital projects.

[2:44:07] So that's the key part of that there.

[2:44:12] And so this either goes into the grants fund

[2:44:14] or their transfer to so that we can use those

[2:44:17] leverage them for grant matching programs if they meet that special revenue or requirement

[2:44:23] for the expenditures or they go to our also our capital project funds if they meet those.

[2:44:29] So this would be like our gas tax fund would go to help support our streets street maintenance

[2:44:34] work and those are our capital projects for streets. So these are those transfers out to fund

[2:44:39] those projects. They also have direct contract services. So for inclusionary housing,

[2:44:45] access bond proceeds. Those have specific contracts for those economic development purposes,

[2:44:51] those other purposes, but that is a little bit smaller than those direct transfers out.

[2:44:58] Next slide.

[2:45:01] So, after special revenue funds, we have our internal service funds. There again was no significant change since our budget study on May 17th. And details can be found on packet pages 609 to 1615.

[2:45:16] Overall, City has two internal service funds, the vehicle maintenance and compensated absences

[2:45:21] fund.

[2:45:22] The internal service funds for the vehicle maintenance, it's to provide that ongoing plan

[2:45:28] for replacement or repairs and maintenance of our fleet.

[2:45:34] The continued investment for 2223 is for approximately $361,000 for the replacement

[2:45:41] to please intercept our SUVs potentially, evaluating what type of make model what's going to work.

[2:45:49] These things are not something that we call someone up and order a piece of equipment, you know,

[2:45:55] next day, it's something that we always bring that to council to make sure we meet this

[2:46:02] threshold for what is required for that replacement. And so that's something we would be

[2:46:11] that's just been on back order for public works

[2:46:13] for over a year now.

[2:46:15] So that is still included within this adopted budget.

[2:46:20] Alternatively, for the compensated absences fund,

[2:46:22] there's not a significant change,

[2:46:24] except for the balances are increased

[2:46:26] to address the estimated changes and salaries in benefits.

[2:46:30] Next slide.

[2:46:33] So last but not least, is the enterprise funds

[2:46:35] for water and sewer.

[2:46:37] So these are used to account for the operations

[2:46:39] that are similar to a private business

[2:46:41] enterprise or the intent is to sell a product a good at cost and provide it as a service

[2:46:49] to general public on a continuing basis and we finance it through the use charges.

[2:46:55] Next slide.

[2:46:58] So the overall highlights for the enterprise funds again, they maintain they have a higher

[2:47:03] threshold for reserve for the operating expenses and that's 33% and both of them do so.

[2:47:09] The rate change study that was adopted 614 is being implemented and is included within the proposed budget and will be implemented for bills starting as that have start dates as of 615.

[2:47:25] We do make sure also that these are based on conservative revenue and expenditure estimates correlating with our rate study as well as continue to focus on infrastructure improvements and preservation of our existing systems.

[2:47:41] For water, the revenues are budgeted to increase space on the adopted fees or the right study with those significant change again and the connection fees based on future developments that are in the works currently.

[2:47:56] The proposed capital project improvements include this data server upgrade relocation as well as the P1 error replacement.

[2:48:04] The changes for operating expenditures are similar to the general fund.

[2:48:10] Plus we have the water conservation programs which we see on going.

[2:48:14] The drought is still existing.

[2:48:15] We're going to continue to fund water conservation efforts.

[2:48:18] We also have the water agency increase rate as well as our debt service that

[2:48:23] to the general fund for their portion of the UAL ADD.

[2:48:29] Next slide.

[2:48:30] For the sewer fund it is very much consistent with the water fund

[2:48:34] where the revenues are increasing in line with the right study,

[2:48:39] no significant connection fees, couple projects.

[2:48:42] We have the West-Year Avenue sewer replacement project,

[2:48:46] and the changes in the operating expenditures

[2:48:49] get that increase in the insurance,

[2:48:51] the wastewater treatment, as well as that direct service

[2:48:54] dock to the general fund of the UAL ADP.

[2:48:59] Next slide.

[2:49:01] So in conclusion, the proposed fiscal year 2233 budget

[2:49:05] really prioritize our goals and objectives of community engagement,

[2:49:10] on-term vitality, bus and class service, and we hope to include more goals as our budget

[2:49:16] rolls out more. We'll continue to strive to implement more actions for climate change

[2:49:21] inequality. We have a balanced operating budget and requirement for each one of the general

[2:49:26] fund operating as well as water and sewer. The upgrades that it's just do not exceed the

[2:49:34] are really estimated operating revenues.

[2:49:38] We have significant investments and deferred capital projects.

[2:49:41] I mean, talking about over $10 million in the streets

[2:49:44] is a lot of effort in the single year.

[2:49:48] So even with that, we feel like this is a fiscally prudent budget

[2:49:53] with general fund reserves up to $35, excuse me, 53%.

[2:49:59] So staff are really committed to continuing

[2:50:02] to exercise prudence and integrity and provide as much transparency and accountability and I think

[2:50:09] that's a good reflection of the huge amount of work that the Administrative Services Department

[2:50:14] did and generating this budget and making sure it was online and available and now could be

[2:50:20] something that anyone can go through and review and see the detail on how we got to the numbers

[2:50:26] that we did. Next slide,

[2:50:31] please. Tonight we're looking for the adoption of the resolution adopting

[2:50:34] In the fiscal year 2223 budget, as well as the updated multi-year capital improvement plan,

[2:50:40] and I'm fully happy to take any questions.

[2:51:06] We lose our mayor.

[2:51:11] It appears that we have.

[2:51:13] Oops, here he comes.

[2:51:14] Can you hear me okay?

[2:51:15] Sorry about that.

[2:51:17] So I'm not sure where I dropped off, but it seems to have picked me back up.

[2:51:22] So I was saying, I saw no cops, no questions come up from the council.

[2:51:26] I believe that's correct.

[2:51:28] So this is a perfect time to go to public comment if we could.

[2:51:34] Thank you, Mayor Landman. If you'd like to make a public comment, please use the raise hand icon.

[2:51:44] Mayor Landman, that will end public comment.

[2:51:49] All right, I'll bring it back to the council and see if there's any final comments.

[2:51:51] And I should do see a hand from councilmember Moore.

[2:51:55] Thank you, Mayor Landman.

[2:51:56] I'm Angela, thank you for their comprehensive budget.

[2:51:59] I really appreciated the narratives that started on the 400s somewhere around there.

[2:52:06] But those were good because I kind of goes into what the philosophy is, what we're trying to do.

[2:52:09] So I thought that was excellent work on there.

[2:52:12] I do have a question, and I don't know if this is the appropriate venue for that, but I'm wondering

[2:52:18] what it would take to increase our spending on code enforcement.

[2:52:26] And all that might be addressed.

[2:52:31] I don't know if there was an item that needed to be brought, just like any budget amendment,

[2:52:41] When we have a specific contract in mind, if we have a significant effort in mind, we do bring

[2:52:46] those to council for that budget amendment, as I've talked about in that budget process.

[2:52:54] So if there is something significant, then that's what we would bring to council through staff

[2:52:59] and do that budget amendment at that time to make sure they have the appropriate resources for what

[2:53:04] need to operate.

[2:53:07] And yeah, I would just add to that.

[2:53:10] So if there's, you know, if there's specific concerns that the council has,

[2:53:14] then we can look into what the issue is and we can report back.

[2:53:18] Is it a budgetary issue or is there some other?

[2:53:22] If you look later.

[2:53:24] Thank you.

[2:53:25] And again, excellent work on that.

[2:53:31] Thank you, Mr. Moore.

[2:53:32] Councilmember Vice Mayor Harvey, I see you next.

[2:53:34] I also see Councilmember Sparks hand up.

[2:53:36] So we'll go Vice Mayor and Councilmember.

[2:53:40] I thank you very much.

[2:53:41] Again, Angela is a wonderful budget to took me hours and hours

[2:53:45] to go through it.

[2:53:46] I really appreciate the details.

[2:53:48] I hope others appreciate them too.

[2:53:51] I particularly like in each of the sections,

[2:53:54] you don't just present it one way.

[2:53:56] You present it multiple ways

[2:53:57] because I know sometimes people get it one way,

[2:54:00] but not the other.

[2:54:01] So I find that very helpful.

[2:54:04] And I really like the section with the capital projects because it gives you a visual, it gives you a description, it gives you the year, it gives you, you know, the maintenance, where the funding is coming from it. And I think that that's really helpful for many folks that that wonder what it is that we're doing with all these funds and how it is that we're trying to improve our community as best we can with the funds that we can.

[2:54:34] have so I really appreciate the budget. So thank you if I can jump in real quick I would love to

[2:54:41] take credit for the capital project section at the budget but I cannot Craig and his staff

[2:54:48] works at tremendous amount in our software in order to build that and we absolutely ding in

[2:54:55] I review it go through it make sure you know everything's appropriate and budgeted for but they did an

[2:55:01] job and I can't I definitely have to credit my staff as well for the amazing detail around the whole

[2:55:07] budget because it as much as detail there is in there it takes more than one sort of I so

[2:55:12] Neil absolutely worked a lot especially with the rest of the department heads and making sure

[2:55:18] that everything was with as well put together as we possibly could so well you know my thanks extended

[2:55:26] to all the staff that had a finger in it because it's very well received. Thank you.

[2:55:34] Thank you, Vice Mayor Harvey. Council Member Sparks.

[2:55:37] Thank you. I'll echo what my colleagues are saying just to really appreciate the amazing attention

[2:55:42] to detail and it's all really clear and I'm always wondering why that pictures and the council

[2:55:47] members are in the budget. I think your picture ought to be in there and the people who actually

[2:55:53] did a really hard work on it.

[2:55:56] Anyway, I did have one questions,

[2:55:58] I've comment for the city manager's office.

[2:56:02] I was looking at the list of projects or objectives

[2:56:05] on packet page for 60.

[2:56:09] And I had been hoping to see a study to assess

[2:56:14] our digital infrastructure, including broadband coverage

[2:56:18] and cell phone reception.

[2:56:20] So something we had discussed during strategic planning.

[2:56:22] And I see it sort of missing from this list so I wondered if we could just put that back on there.

[2:56:28] I don't know if Damian wants to answer that.

[2:56:32] Very, yeah.

[2:56:32] Just to be planning, we had a talk about looking into that.

[2:56:38] And we hadn't really been fully formed as to what that would be,

[2:56:43] but looking into the broadband coverage and katality and whatever that means,

[2:56:48] in terms of studies or staff effort.

[2:56:51] There has been, there is some general budget aside for whatever that might be, but

[2:57:02] it's a longer answer than you probably wanted.

[2:57:05] It's asked if you could add it and I'm sure it's easy enough.

[2:57:09] Yeah, I guess the way I had been envisioning whatever it might be would be to figure out how to do some sort of assessments.

[2:57:17] So we could have a baseline of where we're at today in terms of are there inequities in

[2:57:26] which neighborhoods have good broadband coverage, which I mean I've heard of businesses

[2:57:32] leaving Katati because they don't have sufficient high quality broadband things like that.

[2:57:39] And certainly as I was campaigning for City Council, a number of constituents expressed

[2:57:46] me that they're really concerned about the poor cell phone coverage and that it's an issue during

[2:57:50] a wildfire emergency. So, yeah, I was looking for just because you said whatever that may be,

[2:57:58] what I thought we had discussed as strategic planning was doing some kind of assessment.

[2:58:03] So, yeah, if we could put that back on the list, that would address my concerns.

[2:58:12] That's absolutely a part of the resolution is to make those those small changes to the budget,

[2:58:17] So we can find the final language with TNN and I'm going to add that in.

[2:58:22] Thank you.

[2:58:24] All right.

[2:58:25] We'll see if there's any more questions.

[2:58:27] I'm not seeing any.

[2:58:28] I will just share my call.

[2:58:30] It's a presentation for the detailed and certainly for the varied ways of looking at this data.

[2:58:35] And I agree that is helpful.

[2:58:36] But one thing that really jumps out for me too,

[2:58:38] that I know we've moved in the stress for the last few years.

[2:58:40] And I think to an even greater degree this year is that it really detailed history.

[2:58:46] I think you asked perhaps a person from the outside would say, why do you need a history of the community with the budget?

[2:58:52] But for somehow, for me, I think it really really provides a great context for the community and it helps you understand why we have the budget we have and how we got here.

[2:59:02] And so I just think all of that together as a document may be indeed a very long read, but it's a very valuable one.

[2:59:08] So again, thanks to you and everybody who had a hand in this document we appreciate it.

[2:59:12] So with that, if I have no more commentary questions for any of my colleagues, I would be looking for a motion then to adopt this resolution to me.

[2:59:20] And I see a hand from Vice-Mahadi.

[2:59:22] I would be very happy to make motion that we adopt the resolution approving the city of Katadi fiscal budget for fiscal year 2022.

[2:59:33] 23 and the corresponding updated multi-year capital improvement plans and incorporating

[2:59:41] Council Member Sparks' comments on the assessment for coverage for broadband and self-service.

[2:59:52] Thank you, Vice Mayor Harvey. Do we have a second for that?

[2:59:56] Thank you.

[2:59:58] Ask everybody not to be shy.

[3:00:00] Thank you, Council Member Sparks. Very good. All right. So we have a first and second. Can we have a roll call, though, please?

[3:00:07] Council Member Ford.

[3:00:09] Yes. Council Member Moore. Yes. Council Member Sparks. Yes.

[3:00:17] Vice Mayor Harvey. Yes. Mayor Landman. Yes. So that carries unanimously. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, staff again for this tonight.

[3:00:27] and we'll move on to our last item on our regular agenda,

[3:00:31] item C, which is a letter of support for SB 940.

[3:00:34] And this is written by City Manager O'Bid.

[3:00:37] Yes, thank you, Mayor.

[3:00:38] I remember the help of first off.

[3:00:41] I just want to correct something real quick.

[3:00:45] At a moment of dyslexia, I think I said SB 49E on the title.

[3:00:49] It's actually SB 940.

[3:00:52] So, yeah, so apologies about that.

[3:00:56] So, real quick, from background, I did, you know, normally we've got in with Calcities on what

[3:01:04] the position is on various kind of legislation, they had, when in advance to this Council

[3:01:10] meeting we had checked in with them and asked them, well, they had had basically a watch position,

[3:01:18] which means they haven't taken the position either way, but I did check in with Calcities

[3:01:22] and they said that they supported it,

[3:01:25] they just hadn't gotten to drafting the position

[3:01:27] letter on this particular piece of legislation.

[3:01:31] So this is way of background that is for Calth

[3:01:33] that he stands on this.

[3:01:35] And with regard to the proposed legislation,

[3:01:40] existing state law exempt, new mobile

[3:01:43] and part construction from rent control.

[3:01:48] And this is enacted by the state back in 1989.

[3:01:52] And basically, what it did is it defined new construction is a space, space initially held out for rent,

[3:01:59] on or after January 1st, 1990s.

[3:02:02] So any spaces basically held out for rent after that date, initially held out for rent after that date,

[3:02:10] in 1990, would be exempt from our mobile home rent control in any other city in California

[3:02:18] that has a rent control over into the mobile markets. So this law, I'm going to propose a lot and

[3:02:25] correct that by the obvious inequity that that would create mobile parks because new construction

[3:02:34] because it was fixed by 1990, spaces or parks are still considered new even if there are more than

[3:02:48] So the proposed bill would add a new definition of a term,

[3:02:53] new, which is called new mobile-owned park construction,

[3:02:56] which would apply to all new parks held out for rent

[3:02:59] on or after January 1, 2023, and these new parks

[3:03:03] would be exempted from local rent stability ordinances

[3:03:06] for 10 years in order to allow

[3:03:09] owners to recover initial investment costs and

[3:03:12] determine appropriate rent levels, but then when new spaces are added

[3:03:15] 20, but if new spaces are added to any existing mobile

[3:03:19] home park, they would be immediately eligible and subject

[3:03:22] to rent control.

[3:03:24] So in a nutshell, that's what this proposed legislation

[3:03:28] would do is it would remove the exemption for existing spaces

[3:03:34] and any new mobile home parks that are created.

[3:03:38] It would give the owners without part 10 years

[3:03:40] to recoup their initial investment costs

[3:03:42] and we'd be subject to rent control.

[3:03:47] And attached, you also have a letter from local resident regarding this proposed legislation.

[3:03:56] And if the council adopts a motion authorizing the mayor to send out a letter and support of this bill,

[3:04:05] then the support letter I'd imagine would be very similar in contents to the one that was attached.

[3:04:11] But I would be happy to answer any questions the council hasn't.

[3:04:16] All right.

[3:04:17] I'll see if there's anybody on the council.

[3:04:18] Has any questions for Mr. O'Bid?

[3:04:22] Not seeing any hands at the moment.

[3:04:25] I do see a hand from council member Moore.

[3:04:28] Thank you.

[3:04:30] Thank you, Damien, for that information on that presentation.

[3:04:33] There's one clear clarification that I was hoping to get.

[3:04:38] And in the background, when we talked about due to a court settlement agreement,

[3:04:43] rent stabilization was placed on the ballot, then was ultimately repealed ear incudality.

[3:04:50] I was not aware that that was actually from a court settlement.

[3:04:54] Land of sending is in the existing council at the time with the urging of some landlords,

[3:05:02] But that fact on the ballot, in 1819, in 1988, or whatever the year was, in 1998.

[3:05:11] Why are you familiar with that?

[3:05:14] I'm familiar with, you know, what you described as being the reason, just in preparing the staff report,

[3:05:21] in the ordinance and their mobile home rent control ordinance.

[3:05:24] There's a prologue to the actual legislation that describes kind of how the mobile home rent

[3:05:31] Stabilization ordinance came to be, and that was just the language that's in the staff report was just lifted from that. I don't I don't know if that's correct or not

[3:05:40] That's was in the ordinance language. It's like a recital essential

[3:05:45] We're in and this one was near and dear to my heart because at the time I was

[3:05:50] campaigning to not repeal the rent control and of course now we're in a situation. We have now without it

[3:05:58] Thank you for the clarification on that

[3:06:01] Yeah.

[3:06:08] Let's see. Thank you, Mr. Moore. All right. Let's go to public

[3:06:12] columnist and we'll bring it back.

[3:06:17] If you'd like to make a public comment, please use your

[3:06:19] raise hand icon.

[3:06:26] Mayor Landman, that will end public comment.

[3:06:41] I believe you're muted.

[3:06:49] Every time I

[3:06:50] grab the phone to stop it from falling over a movie page, it seems to want to mute it so. Apologies

[3:06:55] and thank you. All right, so I'll try and make this quick. Basically, the reason I asked for this comes

[3:06:59] tonight. It was simply to correct a 30-year-old loophole and provide the protections that we all

[3:07:07] intended to happen here. So that was the goal here. One additional piece of information I

[3:07:12] can give the council to back up this city manager's presentation is that we did revisit this

[3:07:19] last week. I believe on our last lecture and the last Friday and we did agree to send unanimously

[3:07:27] to send a letter support for SB 940.

[3:07:30] So that is happening as well.

[3:07:32] So I thought I would just share that,

[3:07:35] but without I thought it would be a good direction for this.

[3:07:37] So let's see if we have anybody else that has any comments

[3:07:40] or questions in this.

[3:07:43] And I'm not seeing any perhaps.

[3:07:45] And if anybody willing to make a motion on this.

[3:07:51] I would move to adopt a motion,

[3:07:54] authorizing the mayor to send a letter of support

[3:07:57] for SB 940.

[3:08:01] Thank you.

[3:08:02] Thank you, Vice Mayor Harvey, and thank you, Councillor

[3:08:05] Moore.

[3:08:06] And I would also ask perhaps if we do wind up revisiting in the future

[3:08:10] as I'd asked earlier, our ordinance.

[3:08:13] Perhaps we can clean up that language, because I think Mister Morris

[3:08:16] point about remembering the past is important, because we learned from it

[3:08:19] and informed what happens in the future.

[3:08:21] So with that, we do have a motion.

[3:08:23] We have a second.

[3:08:24] Can we have a roll call, vote please.

[3:08:26] Council Member Ford.

[3:08:29] Yes.

[3:08:30] Council Member Moore.

[3:08:32] Yes.

[3:08:33] And I would also hope that we would support this further down the road in assisting these residents.

[3:08:41] Thank you.

[3:08:43] Council Member Sparks.

[3:08:45] Yes.

[3:08:46] Vice Mayor Harvey.

[3:08:48] Yes.

[3:08:49] Mayor Landman.

[3:08:50] I definitely yes. Thank you, Council, for your support on that. So we're moving forward.

[3:08:56] We have completed our regular agenda. We are now to the city manager's report. Mr. O'Bid, the floor is yours.

[3:09:04] All right. Thank you, Mayor. Members of the council. Well, since we won't be, well, we will be technically

[3:09:11] meeting before the fourth, but the last city regular city council meeting before the fourth. Just

[3:09:16] I remind you that it is dry out there and all fireworks are illegal in Katati.

[3:09:24] So we're going to be continuing to push out that message and advance to the Fourth of July

[3:09:30] because we definitely do not want to start any fires in our neighborhoods.

[3:09:37] And then just to let the Council know, we are currently one of the, just talking about

[3:09:45] of projects one of the street projects is a street preservation project and that's bidding right now

[3:09:51] for later this summer. So we'll be having some street preservation work going on around the city

[3:09:58] with the Council of Cruz the agreement later in the year. The pocket part can begin as March

[3:10:05] Pathway project is underway and we expect construction to start probably in July and as you know

[3:10:13] that's the new pathways from McGinnis to Marching Hands,

[3:10:16] Lincoln, for the bridge that goes to Lincoln.

[3:10:20] And then, making some improvements to the pocket park area,

[3:10:23] putting benches, followed by its bottle, water fillings

[3:10:26] station, and some pathways there.

[3:10:31] We also have the Urban Ag ordinance,

[3:10:35] or Urban Agricultural Ordinance, as you all know,

[3:10:37] coming up on Thursday at some workshop,

[3:10:40] just to get input from the Council on the Community,

[3:10:42] in that 7 p.m. This Thursday, June 30th, that agenda is also published to anyone who's interested in that.

[3:10:50] And then, kids days coming up on July 9th, and this year's theme is Peace Love and Katani,

[3:10:55] where we're celebrating the 60s decade in all things, peace science, music, and lots of tide

[3:11:00] eyes. So if you have any tide, you can break it out for that day. And it's going to start as usual with

[3:11:05] three pancake breakfasted church of the Oaks, and we'll grade it through downtown. A talent show,

[3:11:09] other live entertainment and our famous diaper, derby, and via, winning with a winning

[3:11:16] baby gets the Katati Crawl onesie and has a much sought after piece of clothing for babies,

[3:11:24] fighting contest relay races and a lot of different vendors and lots of things for kids.

[3:11:30] Also just to save some saved the dates, first markets, it's always as early underway on Wednesdays,

[3:11:36] June 2, September 4, 30, 2, 7, 30 at La Clause of Park. Just last weekend, the chamber held the

[3:11:43] Kentucky Music Festival in the park, and I heard that.

[3:11:49] We also have so-called markets,

[3:11:54] which we've already had two of them this year, and another one coming up in August. National

[3:12:00] night out's coming up in August 2nd. The accordion festival August 20th to 21st.

[3:12:07] We have movie nights in the park. The next one coming up is the longest second of national

[3:12:11] night out. And then also September 23rd. We have Katwati Kandilan trick or treat that we're

[3:12:19] looking to schedule right now. And then of course the SBD and all of these the regular holiday events

[3:12:24] in December. So all this is on the city website, but I'd encourage you to start

[3:12:28] calendar in those days so that's if you are interested you can attend any of those.

[3:12:35] We also are holding summer camp each week through August 11th.

[3:12:39] If you have children that want to attend that camp sign up now.

[3:12:45] And we're now in our second week of farm camp at the Ronald Fletty Ranch,

[3:12:49] where children learn all about the farm and chores,

[3:12:52] such as feeding and checking on animals,

[3:12:55] We're looking at gardens, learning about free flowers, vegetables, and artwork.

[3:13:00] We have tours of the Rhonda Fletty Ranch, each first and third Saturday through the summer

[3:13:04] or starting at 10 a.m., and then we offer additional camps, including in concerto theater camp

[3:13:13] and until the theater camp, in concerto themed gymnastics camp throughout the summer, and a variety

[3:13:18] of Reprograms and Gooding Kids Pickleball, which is more and funny enough I, so it's kind

[3:13:28] of tongue-to-cheek.

[3:13:29] I joked so much of my wife about Pickleball being the fastest growing sport in the country

[3:13:33] for Father's Day.

[3:13:34] I got a Pickleball Paddle set.

[3:13:38] Anyway, it serves me right for Joaquim Flower like that, so with that, I would be happy to answer

[3:13:45] any questions.

[3:13:47] Well, I'll be the first to congratulate you the city manager a little bit and your new application of being the pickle ball wizard that congratulations on that we'll see if we have any questions from the council.

[3:14:02] No one not even with a pickle ball.

[3:14:05] All right.

[3:14:06] Thank you tonight Mr. Ovid.

[3:14:08] That brings us to our next item which is city council member reports.

[3:14:12] And I'll see if any of my colleagues have anything to report out for us tonight.

[3:14:18] I have a couple of things one. I attended the A-Bag Annual Meeting where the budget was approved and they were able to approve the budget and get it as balanced as they could but they do have some structural deficit issues that they will be working on and they have to resolve those.

[3:14:43] more to come on that, but that was interesting. The second thing was the Snow County

[3:14:49] Waste Management Agency meeting. This is kind of important for everyone as everyone knows.

[3:15:03] We have been unable to get another vendor that's been willing to do that. And then we were approached this last week by

[3:15:17] whole Creek Compost who is having business difficulties and are at risk of also closing.

[3:15:26] And as you might imagine with all of the pressure being put on us because of SB 1383,

[3:15:33] we and that's the collective we in the state of California cannot really lose any more composting

[3:15:42] facilities because they're hard. Once you lose them, they're very hard to get back, like many

[3:15:50] things. So anyways, we were approached by them. We've been working with them since the 90s.

[3:15:59] They have kept their rates very low for us and they've asked for a midterm contract adjustment

[3:16:08] to move their fees. Originally they had asked us for much more. They had originally asked us right now they're at $41 and they wanted us to look at increasing to $66 and we basically said no, that's above the state average and above what we're paying for everything else.

[3:16:31] And so at the very last minute, they came back in and said,

[3:16:35] could we go as high as 47, which we will have staff working with them.

[3:16:42] We could not approve that because we didn't have that.

[3:16:46] But they are looking to shore up their business plan

[3:16:50] and they're working with Cal Recycle to look for funding

[3:16:56] in some other areas.

[3:16:59] Apparently, they got hit pretty bad with some of the collapse of the cannabis because they

[3:17:07] provided a lot of their compost material to the growers so they lost a big portion of where

[3:17:16] they sell their compost. So it doesn't long-term help them if we go down this road to approve

[3:17:26] them for that increase but it's important since we have such a long relationship with them.

[3:17:34] And the difference in this rate is really neutral for the rate pairs because if we had

[3:17:43] to take what's going there and send it to either Napa or Redwood landfill, we would pay

[3:17:50] more in transportation costs. So it's kind of a net wash from a rate pair perspective. So we will be looking at that at our next meeting, but I thought you should all be aware of that because it really does impact our ability to have a composting facility that we can send our stuff to.

[3:18:12] We have good staff at the agency that has been able to work within the contracts we have in case they do go under so that we have capacity at the other facilities.

[3:18:27] So they've done a great job with that, but I thought you should all know about that. Sorry for the longness, but I thought you should be aware.

[3:18:35] Thank you, Vice Mayor.

[3:18:37] I know that's an important one in concerning to hear.

[3:18:41] Yeah.

[3:18:42] It was very concerning.

[3:18:45] Yeah, no, I can imagine.

[3:18:46] You certainly have some difficult jobs in some of your assignments.

[3:18:50] I appreciate what you do.

[3:18:52] Let's see if anybody else has anything first tonight.

[3:18:54] I'm not seeing any hands go up right away.

[3:18:57] So I do have one great thing to mention.

[3:18:59] I was invited on the 22nd to virtually attend a safe city's

[3:19:04] joint announcement, a rollout of fuel that highlighted some of the new policies related to

[3:19:09] gas station being.

[3:19:10] So, as we discussed tonight and begun enacting, so is there a long with mayors and

[3:19:15] representatives?

[3:19:16] Of course, we're sitting on the county.

[3:19:17] You know, this started here.

[3:19:19] I kicked off almost out of the blue in Petaluma and then moved to our cities.

[3:19:25] But it's actually going other places now.

[3:19:28] We had representatives from LA.

[3:19:30] We're looking at this.

[3:19:31] Bethlehem, New York, is taking a look at this British Columbia.

[3:19:35] We had a representative from Lomox, Italy, a regional district who was there.

[3:19:40] So it seems to be game-quieted grounds.

[3:19:42] We know here in Sonoma, we have had a Luma-Rowner Park,

[3:19:47] Sebastopol, now Cotati, with Santa Rosa and Windsor and Developed it.

[3:19:51] So that's six of our nine cities, essentially on board already.

[3:19:55] And I'm pretty hopeful that the others will follow.

[3:19:58] The county might take longer because they just have a bigger

[3:20:00] more complex problems to reassess this thoroughly and make sure they have adequately coverage

[3:20:06] in every area of the county. So that's a little more challenging, but hopefully we'll

[3:20:10] get everything there. So I just wanted to share that. And I did mention everybody I think

[3:20:15] our colleague from Petaluma, the Linda Fisher, for essentially starting this idea through

[3:20:20] her actions. And I did think council member Ford as well, and mentioned that he was the one

[3:20:24] that brought this to our attention, at least asked for it first from the city council here. So

[3:20:29] So that was a good thing overall, and I thought people might like to hear about it.

[3:20:34] So with that, I see no other hands going up.

[3:20:38] We will go, excuse me,

[3:20:45] there we go.

[3:20:46] That completes that and brings us to information.

[3:20:52] Thank you.

[3:20:52] John, remember more.

[3:20:53] Has his hand up?

[3:20:54] Thank you very much.

[3:20:55] John, remember more.

[3:20:56] Please go ahead.

[3:20:57] Thank you.

[3:20:58] I've gone from a response to their landmen.

[3:21:00] I know you're having some technical issues,

[3:21:02] but I just wanted to indicate that I did work

[3:21:06] the Catanic Music Festival on Saturday,

[3:21:09] and that was very well received and very successful.

[3:21:12] So that was a good project, and that's all I wanted to add.

[3:21:15] Thank you very much.

[3:21:17] It's not that difficult, the problem is

[3:21:18] I can either see your faces and the stuff in the screen

[3:21:21] or the hands and your names.

[3:21:23] So it's helpful if you have a comment,

[3:21:25] get your hand up early, because I'll be able to see it

[3:21:27] If I then go back to the screen for any reason, I can miss you, and fortunately too easily.

[3:21:32] And since this happened twice this year, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens again.

[3:21:36] I don't know what the internet gods are doing with my Wi-Fi reception, but fortunately the phone is working.

[3:21:42] So with that, we will move now to public comment on non-action agenda items.

[3:21:50] Thank you, Mayor Landman. If you would like to make a public comment, please use the raise hand icon.

[3:21:59] Mayor Landman, that will end public comment.

[3:22:02] Thank you, Mr. Patterson. All right. I'll ask the city manager for item 16. If we have any information,

[3:22:08] received after the agenda was posted.

[3:22:12] All the information that was posted after the agenda was initially posted is already been

[3:22:18] the cut from the very bottom. So nothing else.

[3:22:21] Excellent. Thank you, Mr. Obed. All right. Then this brings us to item 17.

[3:22:25] of the German. So if without any objection, we are adjourned at 9.10 p.m. Thank you, everybody.

[3:22:32] For your help in getting through a long evening, but a very good slate of work. And I look forward to seeing you all next time.

[3:22:38] Good night.

[3:22:39] Thank you, Mayor. 880 pages and just over three hours is pretty good.

[3:22:45] I would think that would be a lot longer than that to read it.

[3:22:48] Oh, yeah.

[3:22:49] Yeah, no, it's time the consent takes on our agenda doesn't reflect what I'm saying to

[3:22:57] me.

[3:22:58] That's right.

[3:22:59] Well, the good news.

[3:23:00] This is the exception rather than the rule, we'll hold on to that positive hug.

[3:23:04] Take care, everybody.

[3:23:05] Goodnight, everyone.

Cotati City Council Regular Meeting

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