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[0:23] >>chair, doug chaffee: check

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[0:24] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: check

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[0:26] >>vincente sarmiento: check

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[0:28] >>clerk, robin stieler: check check

[0:36] >>chair, doug chaffee: this

[0:38] morning I'm chair doug chaffee

[0:40] and 4th district supervisor

[0:43] and joined this morning with

[0:44] vice-chair katrina foley.

[0:47] National weights and measures

[0:48] week is observed each year in

[0:50] the first full week of MARCH.

[0:54] We are in advance for a change,

[0:56] recognition of PRESIDENT John

[0:58] addams signing the first united

[1:00] states weights and measures law

[1:05] on MARCH 2, 1799.

[1:06] .

[1:08] Every day 3.2 million residents

[1:12] and businesses as well as 59

[1:14] million-plus annual visitors

[1:15] rely on accurate measurements

[1:18] and pricing when purchasing

[1:20] groceries, fuel, utilities,

[1:21] consumer goods and services.

[1:22] The orange county office of

[1:24] weights and measures ensures

[1:26] weighing and measuring devices

[1:27] are accurate, protecting

[1:29] millions of dollars in

[1:31] transactions. With that, I'd

[1:36] like to invite up jose air

[1:39] yugoslav ga, the orange county

[1:40] commissioner and also known as

[1:41] the sealer of weights and

[1:43] measures. Anthony lee, deputy

[1:46] sealer of the weights measures,

[1:46] and anna watts, our business

[1:49] service analysts, hugo soto,

[1:52] senior agricultural standards

[1:55] inspector, marinda herr,

[1:56] agricultural standards

[1:59] inspector. Mark johnson, senior

[2:02] agricultural standards

[2:06] inspector, david scorski,

[2:07] agricultural standards

[2:09] inspector, and alicia barry, our

[2:13] senior deputy D.A. So we do

[2:14] have some oversight from the

[2:19] D.A.'s office in here as well..

[2:21] Orange county ranks third

[2:23] statewide in the number of

[2:24] commercial weighing and

[2:25] measuring device under our

[2:26] jurisdiction, reflecting the

[2:27] scale and complexity of the

[2:30] local economy. Through the

[2:32] diligent work, the office of

[2:36] weights and measures' staff,

[2:37] consumers are protected and

[2:38] ensured that prices are fair. I

[2:40] want to thank staff for their

[2:42] work that often goes

[2:45] unrecognized. We'd now like to

[2:47] invite vice-chair foley with any

[2:50] remarks she'd care to make.

[2:51] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

[2:52] you. Great to be here. Good

[2:55] morning. Katrina foley, county

[2:56] supervisor representing the

[2:57] fabulous fifth district. And as

[2:59] mentioned by our CHAIRMAN, we

[3:00] are today recognizing weights

[3:02] and measures week here in orange

[3:05] county. And this rear's theme

[3:07] is "we measure what matters."

[3:09] and this reflects our commitment

[3:12] to fairness, accountability, and

[3:14] public protection. Every time

[3:16] residents fill up at the gas

[3:18] pump, buy groceries or receive a

[3:19] delivery, they trust that they

[3:22] receive exactly what they paid

[3:23] for. Dedicated professionals

[3:26] like these behind me inspect,

[3:28] test, and verify these systems

[3:31] every single day. Our weights

[3:34] and measures team at oc public

[3:35] works safeguards consumer

[3:36] dollars, ensures a level playing

[3:38] field for businesses and quietly

[3:41] keeps our local economy running

[3:43] fairly and efficiently.

[3:44] Standard measurements are so

[3:45] important, and they help us

[3:48] perform even simple tasks like

[3:52] purchasing carpet, laundry

[3:53] detergent, fabric, any number of

[3:55] things. And I do think it's so

[3:57] important because before I

[3:59] became a county supervise, I

[4:01] didn't even know that we had

[4:03] this group. And so it's very

[4:05] important because it's all about

[4:07] protecting our consumers and

[4:08] making sure, like I said, that

[4:12] we get what we pay for. So

[4:13] thank you for all of the work

[4:14] that you do. And sometimes it's

[4:16] hard because people get mad at

[4:18] you and they don't like you in

[4:19] their business. But you're

[4:20] there to protect the consumers.

[4:30] So thank you.

[4:32] >>speaker: CHAIRMAN Chaffee,

[4:33] vice-chair foley, thank you so

[4:35] much for being here, and thank

[4:35] you for the opportunity to be

[4:37] here and highlight a little bit

[4:39] of the work of the weights and

[4:41] measures professionals. My name

[4:45] is jose arriaga, also known as

[4:47] the county sealer of weights and

[4:48] measures. I want to share a

[4:50] little bit of information what

[4:51] is weights and measures. As

[4:52] mentioned, sometimes we don't

[4:54] even know what weights and

[4:57] measures is, it's quietly in our

[4:59] communities, but I assure you

[5:00] that by the end of the day today

[5:01] the work of the individuals will

[5:04] touch your life and every single

[5:06] day for the rest of our days,

[5:07] every single resident is touched

[5:08] by the work of these

[5:10] individuals. When you pump fuel

[5:13] at that gas station and you see

[5:14] that seal that says it was

[5:16] accurate when tested, that

[5:17] ensures that that device -- we

[5:19] call them a device -- it meets

[5:22] the conform plans. It is within

[5:24] a tolerance that ensures that

[5:26] you get what you pay for. It's

[5:28] not just the 20,000 gas pumps in

[5:30] orange county, it also includes

[5:33] the 100,000 water submeters,

[5:34] 20,000 electric watt meters, it

[5:36] includes the thousands of scales

[5:39] at grocery stores, and it's not

[5:42] just devices, the work weights

[5:45] and measures officials expands

[5:48] beyond those devices. It also

[5:48] applies to the price that you

[5:51] pay. We do not set the price

[5:53] but ensure that the price that

[5:54] every consumer pays is the

[5:55] lowest advertised price. We

[5:57] have a team of secret shoppers,

[5:58] some of them are here, where

[6:00] they will go into thousands of

[6:02] retail stores every year and

[6:04] verify the accuracy of those

[6:05] prices on the shelves against

[6:07] the point of sales system. And

[6:09] it's beyond pricing. When you

[6:11] buy commodities by count,

[6:13] weight, measure, when you pour a

[6:14] gallon from a gallon of milk to

[6:18] your 16 ounce box of cereal,

[6:19] well, hopefully it's in a bowl,

[6:20] how do you know there's a gallon

[6:26] in there? When you buy items by

[6:27] count, how do you know what's in

[6:29] there by weight? The other

[6:30] thing we do, one of the other

[6:32] programs we play a critical role

[6:33] here in our community is that

[6:35] our officials respond to

[6:36] hundreds of complaints of

[6:39] residents where they buy canned

[6:40] goods, packaged goods, and we're

[6:41] verifying the accuracy of that

[6:44] label and the content of those

[6:45] containers.

[6:47] We are protecting an $89 billion

[6:49] retail economy, but more

[6:52] importantly, we are protecting

[6:56] an over$300 billion gdp economy

[6:58] here in orange county. I do

[7:00] want to thank the officials. I

[7:01] want to thank the team here for

[7:03] the work that they do every

[7:04] single day. They are committed.

[7:05] I also want to provide a

[7:07] special thanks to our partners

[7:08] with the district attorney's

[7:12] office. A lot of our work

[7:13] relies on compliance through

[7:14] education, through awareness,

[7:15] occasionally through

[7:17] administrative actions, but

[7:18] sometimes we have to go beyond

[7:20] and do prosecutions and that is

[7:21] where our district attorney's

[7:24] office comes in. Alicia, thank

[7:24] you so much for you and your

[7:25] team for all of the help and

[7:27] support. They help us achieve

[7:30] our goals of protecting the

[7:31] consumers hear in orange county.

[7:32] With that, when we say thank

[7:34] you. And if you ever feel that

[7:35] anything you buy, the quantity,

[7:37] the price, the weight is

[7:38] inaccurate, please reach out to

[7:39] our office. We are a very small

[7:42] team. We do a lot of coverage,

[7:44] but we actually need the help of

[7:45] every single resident and every

[7:46] single business in orange county

[7:48] to help protect each other. So

[7:49] please reach out to our office

[7:50] if you have any questions, if he

[7:52] ever want to learn about what we

[7:54] do, if you want to come work

[7:58] with us, it's an amazing job.

[7:59] There's never a boring day here.

[8:00] Thank you.

[9:27] [Applause]

[9:29] >>chair, doug chaffee: and that

[9:29] concludes our presentations this

[9:31] morning. We will begin our

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[31:14] [Orange county board of good morning,

[31:14] supervisors-

[31:15] meeting will begin everyone

[31:16] shortly]. I'd like to welcome

[31:20] you to this

[31:22] >>speaker: good morning,

[31:22] everyone. I'd like to welcome

[31:25] you to this meeting FEBRUARY 24,

[31:27] 2026. Today the invocations

[31:30] will be offered by vice-chair

[31:31] foley and pledge of allegiance

[31:33] led by supervisor nguyen. If

[31:41] you're able, please stand.

[31:43] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: join

[31:44] me today to pause for a moment

[31:45] reflection before we begin the

[31:47] work on behalf of our orange

[31:48] county community. We join

[31:49] together here with the shared

[31:51] responsibility to serve every

[31:56] constituent of our community

[31:58] with speaking with grill and

[31:59] purpose and moments when

[32:00] disagreements grow MAY we

[32:01] remember that public service

[32:03] calls us to rise above division.

[32:05] Let us all work harder and with

[32:07] more intention to choose

[32:10] collaboration over conflict and

[32:12] solutions over spectacle. As

[32:14] leaders we also have a duty to

[32:15] protect and support the county

[32:17] staff who carry out this work

[32:20] for us every day. They look to

[32:23] us for steadiness,

[32:24] accountability and example. Our

[32:26] conduct sets the tone. Ideally

[32:28] we lead them and they help us

[32:30] improve our county government by

[32:31] trusting their commitment to

[32:34] provide quality services and set

[32:35] high standards for performance

[32:37] and delivery of services. MAY

[32:39] we remember that this work is

[32:41] not about any one of us, it is

[32:45] about all of us. We MAY not

[32:46] always agree but we MAY disagree

[32:48] with respect, work harder to

[32:49] challenge ideas without

[32:52] degrading one another and remain

[32:54] productive rather than

[32:56] interactive, when we falter or

[32:58] slip up, MAY we also forgive and

[33:01] commit to picking up another

[33:01] plank to keep building the

[33:04] bridges that keep us connected.

[33:05] Our community benefits when we

[33:06] build bridges, not barriers.

[33:09] And when we focus on helping

[33:13] lift up all segments of our

[33:17] community.. As we watch bombs

[33:19] bursting, builds blow up and

[33:21] other chaos in other countries

[33:22] and communities, let us

[33:24] recognize the privilege we share

[33:25] to live and serve here and the

[33:26] duty to move forward together

[33:28] for the entire county to protect

[33:30] this paradise we call home. I

[33:32] look forward a protective

[33:32] meeting with you all. Thank

[33:35] you. Please join me in the

[33:42] pledge of allegiance.

[33:43] I pledge allegiance to my flag

[33:44] to the united states of america

[33:45] and to the republic for which it

[33:46] stands, one nation, under GOD,

[33:47] indivisible, with liberty and

[33:57] justice for all.

[33:58] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank you

[34:04] supervisors foley and nguyen. A

[34:06] couple of reminders for today's

[34:08] meeting, please use the main

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[34:34] breaking for lunch around the

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[34:52] proceed to the agenda for this

[34:54] morning's meeting. This agenda

[34:57] contains a brief description of

[34:59] each item to be considered

[35:01] except as provided by law, no

[35:04] action maybe taken to any item

[35:06] not appearing in today's agenda.

[35:08] The agenda is divide into

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[35:14] a -- on the consent calendar are

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[35:43] reading of an individual item,

[35:46] including public comments.

[35:48] Speakers MAY address the board

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[36:00] residence for the record.

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[36:11] expired. We ask that you

[36:13] observe the time limit so that

[36:15] all who wish to speak will have

[36:16] an opportunity do so.

[36:18] Addressing the board, we address

[36:21] the board as a whole through the

[36:36] chair.. We're moving to -- I'm

[36:37] changing this around a little

[36:39] built. Normally we have board

[36:41] comments that the time. I'm

[36:42] going to move that to the end of

[36:45] the meeting instead. And so now

[36:48] we'll move to our agenda items.

[36:49] I ask the clerk to identify any

[36:52] changes to the agenda, any

[36:54] requests received from the

[36:55] public to pull an item from the

[36:56] consent calendar for separate

[36:59] consideration. MADAM Clerk.

[37:02] >>clerk, robin stieler: on

[37:03] discussion calendar, item 22 has

[37:06] been deleted. And closed

[37:08] sessions cs-1 has also been

[37:09] deleted. The public has

[37:10] requested to pull item 4 from

[37:17] the consent calendar.

[37:18] >>chair, doug chaffee: I would

[37:20] like to move item, I believe,

[37:22] it's 28, to be heard after item

[37:23] 17 since item 18 can be directed

[37:34] by that item. That's the board

[37:34] procurement item.

[37:35] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: did

[37:37] you say 22, grants committee

[37:37] report --

[37:39] >>chair, doug chaffee: no. I

[37:39] meant 28.

[37:42] >>clerk, robin stieler: 22 was

[37:45] deleted. Excuse me. 23. 23.

[37:46] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

[37:47] I thought so. Thank you.

[37:57] >>chair, doug chaffee: okay.

[37:58] I'd ask my colleague if there

[38:00] are any items you'd like to hear

[38:01] separately on the consent

[38:03] calendar. We have requests from

[38:05] the public that item 4 be heard

[38:06] separately. Except for, that

[38:07] MAY I have a motion --

[38:09] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

[38:10] the balance.

[38:11] >>don wagner: second.

[38:12] >>chair, doug chaffee: any

[38:13] objection? Seeing none,

[38:17] carried. Item 4.

[38:18] >>clerk, robin stieler: 4.

[38:18] Under oc community resources,

[38:19] Approve master agreement for oc

[38:20] Animal Care services, 6/1/26-

[38:21] 5/31/31; authorize Director

[38:22] or designee to execute

[38:22] individual agreements, make

[38:23] minor changes and renew

[38:26] agreements under certain conditions.

[38:28] And we have one requests to

[38:30] speak on agenda item 4.

[38:31] >>chair, doug chaffee: please

[38:32] call the speaker.

[38:34] >>clerk, robin stieler: michael

[38:35] m.

[38:37] >>speaker: thank you. Michael m

[38:38] from irvine. In the last year,

[38:41] the animal shelter has made

[38:44] significant strides, thanks to

[38:50] this board. I am grateful to

[38:51] those who led these positive

[38:52] changes and as a proud resident

[38:55] of the third district also to

[38:56] supervisor wagner for his

[38:57] support. To sustain the

[38:59] progress we need to follow up on

[39:01] the shelter's strategic plan,

[39:05] which defines how the board, its

[39:07] cities and community expect the

[39:11] shelter to operate. We as a

[39:12] county spent thousands of hours

[39:13] and hundreds of thousands of

[39:15] dollars to put this plan

[39:17] together. The board voted for

[39:18] the strategic plan as the

[39:19] blueprint for shelter

[39:21] operations. I urge the board

[39:23] and the animal shelter to follow

[39:24] up on last year's improvements

[39:27] and put the shelter on a good

[39:30] path that fixes persisting

[39:31] promise and prevents

[39:35] backsliding. The plan there, we

[39:36] just need work on

[39:38] implementation. Thank you.

[39:39] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank you

[39:40] for your comments. Back to the

[39:42] board for consideration. Do we

[39:42] have a motion.

[39:43] >>janet nguyen: I'll move it

[39:45] with comments, MR. CHAIRMAN.

[39:47] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:

[39:47] second.

[39:48] >>chair, doug chaffee: please go

[39:50] ahead, prfers nguyen.

[39:51] >>janet nguyen: I just want to

[39:54] first thank monica, dillon and

[39:57] the oc animal staff for putting

[40:00] these contracts together.

[40:02] Really thankful that there's no

[40:04] increase in our rates as well,

[40:06] because, you know, it's a tough

[40:08] time for cities and -- but, yet,

[40:09] you know, we are still providing

[40:10] the services and making sure

[40:13] that these contracts -- well,

[40:15] making sure that we don't

[40:16] increase the rates for the

[40:19] cities. And so I appreciate all

[40:20] that they've done. And I agree

[40:22] with our speakers that, you

[40:24] know, oc animal has made

[40:27] significant changes last year,

[40:29] you know, so please know that we

[40:31] appreciate you, but there is

[40:34] still some work to be done. And

[40:36] I -- you know, I know that

[40:38] you're working on a strategic

[40:41] plan. Staff has told my office

[40:44] that you're compiling a report

[40:47] to, you know -- on the 2018

[40:49] strategic plan that would be

[40:51] coming to the board. I'm hoping

[40:52] maybe if you can give us a

[40:53] report in the next 30 days on

[40:59] where you're at with that and

[41:03] when we will see it moving

[41:04] forward, whether it's a board

[41:05] hearing, then we will accept

[41:08] your report or a report to the

[41:09] board itself. So again, I'm

[41:11] excited to support this item and

[41:13] looking forward to more great

[41:17] things and collaboration with oc

[41:19] animal in the community. Thank

[41:19] you.

[41:20] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank

[41:23] you, supervisor nguyen.

[41:23] Supervisor sarmiento.

[41:24] >>vincente sarmiento: thank you,

[41:25] MR. Chair, and thank you to the

[41:27] speaker for his comments. I

[41:28] certainly appreciate and agree

[41:30] with them, and I want to

[41:35] actually also thank the

[41:36] community members that helped

[41:38] influence the changes that were

[41:39] made since, you know, I've been

[41:40] on this board and thank the

[41:42] staff at animal care, dillon and

[41:44] monica and others that made

[41:47] these changes that are very

[41:49] reasonable. So I do think we

[41:50] have a great outline of what we

[41:52] need to do with the strategic

[41:53] plan, and it was adopted in

[41:55] 2018. I simply think that we

[41:56] need to make sure that the

[42:01] public gets to see

[42:03] compliance,

[42:04] implementation, and those

[42:05] regular reports and making sure

[42:06] that we're meeting the metrics,

[42:08] the goals stated in that

[42:09] strategic plan. So to the

[42:10] extent that something is brought

[42:13] back, I think we need to do

[42:14] something on a periodic basis,

[42:15] and make sure that we're able to

[42:17] see almost as a dashboard,

[42:20] right, to see how we're doing on

[42:21] these different concerns that we

[42:23] have, that are outlined in the

[42:25] strategic plan. So I am

[42:27] supportive of all that's been

[42:30] said, and obviously on this

[42:31] underlying item, which is sort

[42:33] of unrelated to the strategic

[42:35] plan implementation. But I do

[42:37] think maybe we should bring

[42:37] something back that's a little

[42:40] bit more formal that will give

[42:41] some guidance on how to make

[42:42] sure we're complying with the

[42:43] strategic plan periodically for

[42:46] the public to see. So I am

[42:47] supportive these -- of the

[42:50] underlying item, as well. Thank

[42:50] you.

[42:51] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank

[42:54] you. Any more comment?

[42:57] Seeing none, we have a motion.

[42:58] Any objection? The item is

[43:03] approved. Thank you. Item 7.

[43:05] Is that where we're at? Item 7,

[43:07] yes. That would conclude our

[43:13] consent calendar.

[43:13] >>clerk, robin stieler: 7.

[43:14] Under Treasurer-Tax Collector-

[43:15] Approve transfer of funds

[43:16] ($62,669.16) From Probation Fund

[43:17] to Probation Victim Restitution

[43:18] Fund and transfer of escheated

[43:19] funds ($74,056.03) From

[43:19] Sheriff-Coroner Fund to County

[43:34] General Fund. It does require a

[43:34] vote.

[43:36] >>chair, doug chaffee: an

[43:37] all-district item.

[43:37] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

[43:37] the item.

[43:38] >>chair, doug chaffee: I'll

[43:41] second the item.

[43:42] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: no

[43:44] one wants to support this, I

[43:44] guess.

[43:45] >>chair, doug chaffee: any

[43:47] objection? Seeing none, it

[43:50] required a 4/5th vote. We

[43:51] have unanimous approval of that

[43:53] item. Item 8, please.

[43:53] >>clerk, robin stieler: 8.

[43:54] Under health care agency,

[43:55] Approve amendment 2 to renew

[43:56] contract ma-042-24010172 with

[43:57] The Regents of the University of

[43:58] California, on behalf of uc

[43:59] Irvine School of Medicine,

[44:00] Department of Psychiatry for

[44:01] physician services, 7/1/26-

[44:02] 6/30/28 ($1,210,000; cumulative

[44:02] total $3,025,000); And

[44:03] authorize County Procurement

[44:05] Officer or Deputized designee to

[44:08] execute amendment. We have no

[44:11] requests to speak on agenda item

[44:11] 8.

[44:12] >>chair, doug chaffee: lgt a

[44:13] district 2 item.

[44:15] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:

[44:15] second.

[44:16] >>chair, doug chaffee: any

[44:17] objection? Item is approved.

[44:18] Item 9, please.

[44:19] >>clerk, robin stieler: 9.

[44:20] Under health care agency,

[44:21] Approve amendment 6 to renew

[44:21] contract ma-042-23011035 with

[44:23] ocy Management, llc for

[44:24] non-emergency transportation

[44:24] services, 7/1/26-6/30/28

[44:25] ($1,000,000; cumulative total

[44:26] $4,650,000); and authorize

[44:26] County Procurement Officer or

[44:27] Deputized designee to execute

[44:30] amendment. We have no requests

[44:34] to speak on agenda item 9.

[44:35] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

[44:49] all-district item.

[44:49] >>clerk, robin stieler: 10.

[44:50] Under health care agency,

[44:51] approve amendment 6 to renew

[44:52] contract ma-042-20011621 with

[44:52] anaheim global medical center,

[44:53] inc. For inpatient hospital

[44:54] services for correctional health

[44:54] services, 7/1/26-6/30/28

[44:55] ($12,833,874; cumulative total

[44:56] $49,855,154); and authorize

[44:57] county procurement officer or

[44:57] deputized designee to execute

[45:00] amendment. S we have no

[45:01] requests to speak.

[45:02] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's a

[45:03] district 3 item.

[45:05] >>janet nguyen: thank you. I

[45:06] received a contribution of over

[45:09] $1,000 for ocy management back

[45:12] in 2025.

[45:13] Since the contribution exceeds

[45:21] the 500 threshold set by the

[45:23] management, I am recusing myself

[45:25] from participating in this

[45:26] discussion.

[45:29] >>leon page: and that was item 9

[45:31] and 10, supervisor, correct?

[45:32] Where you intend to recuse

[45:34] yourself? If the board would

[45:35] permit to reflect that

[45:38] supervisor nguyen did not

[45:39] participate in the board

[45:40] deliberation vote on item 9,

[45:42] which we already did, and now

[45:43] we're on number 10.

[45:45] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll

[45:51] move to re-open item 9 for --

[45:54] item no. 9 for a second vote.

[45:55] >>vincente sarmiento: I'll move

[45:56] the item.

[45:57] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:

[45:57] second.

[46:02] >>chair, doug chaffee: any

[46:02] objection?

[46:02] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: you

[46:10] have to make the disclosure.

[46:11] >>chair, doug chaffee: I'm not

[46:12] sure where we are here.

[46:13] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: now

[46:15] we have to vote on item 9.

[46:16] >>chair, doug chaffee: all

[46:20] right. We had a motion, and

[46:21] supervisor sarmiento would like

[46:23] to make a comment.

[46:25] >>vincente sarmiento: on item 10

[46:26] 10.

[46:27] >>chair, doug chaffee: okay.

[46:28] We're back to 9.

[46:31] >>vincente sarmiento: I moved

[46:32] item 9.

[46:32] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: and I

[46:33] seconded.

[46:33] >>chair, doug chaffee: any

[46:37] objection? Seeing none, item 9

[46:37] is approved.

[46:38] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: with

[46:39] one abstention.

[46:40] >>chair, doug chaffee: okay.

[46:43] With one abstention. Okay.

[46:45] Sorry. All right. That gave us

[46:47] a majority vote. Now we're on

[46:49] item 10, that's a district 2 and

[46:50] 3 item.

[46:52] >>vincente sarmiento: that,

[46:53] MR. Chair. I'd like to have

[46:55] DR. Kelly, if she can, maybe

[46:56] come and share some thoughts on

[46:57] this. I want to make sure that

[46:59] we are clear. I know this is

[47:05] for services for our in-custody

[47:07] population. So medical care and

[47:09] hospital care. So to the

[47:11] extent, DR. Kelly, if you could

[47:12] just walk us through.

[47:13] >>leon page: and I think

[47:15] supervisor nguyen has been

[47:16] announcement on this as well.

[47:17] >>janet nguyen: I do. I would

[47:18] like to also recuse myself from

[47:20] this vote, as well. I received

[47:23] a contribution of $2500 from

[47:24] strategic global management,

[47:27] inc. Which is affiliated with

[47:27] anaheim global medical center

[47:30] back on MAY 12th, 2025 for

[47:31] this item. I'm recushion myself

[47:32] from participating in any

[47:34] discussion or vote on this

[47:37] matter. Thank you.

[47:39] >>chair, doug chaffee: all

[47:44] right. Any more comments?

[47:45] >>speaker: good morning,

[47:46] CHAIRMAN Chaffee, honorable

[47:50] board. DR. Kelly, director of

[47:51] the orange county healthcare

[47:53] agency. Were there specific

[47:55] questions you had or you just

[47:55] want an overview.

[47:57] >>vincente sarmiento: I know we

[47:59] went to procurement for this.

[48:00] We had two responses. I know

[48:02] that anaheim global is the

[48:03] prevailing bidder on this.

[48:05] Number one, explain what the

[48:06] item is, it's an important one,

[48:08] and number 2, what are your

[48:10] thoughts going forward? Does

[48:12] this benefit the county? I know

[48:14] this is trying to include

[48:16] cal-aim to be able to maybe

[48:18] address some of the cost

[48:20] concerns. But if you can,

[48:20] please --

[48:22] >>speaker: this stem to renew

[48:23] inpatient services for

[48:26] correctional health. And so the

[48:27] vendor is anaheim global medical

[48:29] center. They provide medical

[48:32] care for inmates who require

[48:34] outpatient specialty care such

[48:36] as dialysis that can't be done

[48:39] in custody or inpatient care, if

[48:40] someone is having a cardiac

[48:42] issue, they're giving birth. So

[48:45] they provide that medical care.

[48:46] >>vincente sarmiento: who are we

[48:49] billing for this? Who's paying

[48:49] for this.

[48:51] >>speaker: none of that is

[48:53] billable to any insurance. That

[48:55] is full net county cost. The

[48:57] item you talked about cal-aim

[48:59] jail in range is for a very

[49:01] specific cost that would not

[49:02] include these services. It

[49:03] would include some services we

[49:05] provide for correctional health,

[49:07] evaluations, medical evaluations

[49:08] of inmates, providing

[49:09] medication. And we are going to

[49:12] start that APRIL 1st, and we

[49:13] can only provide that and bill

[49:16] the state for those services,

[49:18] for people who are eligible for

[49:19] medi-cal, and that would be for

[49:22] 90 days prior to their release.

[49:25] Carnals so 83% of this is born

[49:29] by the county, that county cost

[49:29] 17% realignment dollars. Your

[49:31] recommendation, we just went out

[49:33] on an rfp, do you think we

[49:35] should go out on one soon

[49:35] after.

[49:36] >>speaker: we are going to be

[49:38] starting another rfp. Usually

[49:41] they take 12 to 18 months. This

[49:42] is harder service to find

[49:43] appropriate vendors for because

[49:45] of the population and the

[49:46] custody, the hard custody

[49:49] requirements. So change in the

[49:50] actual building space itself.

[49:52] So we will be shortly after --

[49:54] if this report approves, we will

[49:56] go out for another rfp.

[49:57] >>vincente sarmiento: I'm

[49:58] supportive of that. That's what

[50:00] I wanted to get on the the

[50:02] record make sure that that's

[50:04] understood, giving my support

[50:04] for this item. I'll go ahead

[50:07] and move this item based on

[50:09] attempt that from your team.

[50:10] Thanks.

[50:11] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

[50:14] seconded. Was there an

[50:14] abstention?

[50:15] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: yes.

[50:15] >>chair, doug chaffee: noting

[50:19] the abstention, the item is

[50:23] approved, 4 votes. Item 11,

[50:24] please.

[50:24] >>clerk, robin stieler: 11.

[50:25] Under health care agency,

[50:26] approve amendment 2 to renew

[50:26] contract ma-042-23011108 with

[50:27] sdxray inc. For direct digital

[50:29] radiology services for

[50:30] correctional health services

[50:31] programs, 7/1/26-6/30/28

[50:31] ($4,214,240; cumulative total

[50:32] $10,535,600); and authorize

[50:33] county procurement officer or

[50:36] deputized designee to execute amendment.

[50:37] We have no requests to speak on

[50:38] agenda item 11.

[50:39] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's a

[50:40] district 2 and 3 item. Moved

[50:42] and seconded. Any objection?

[50:45] The item is approved. Item 12,

[50:45] please.

[50:46] >>clerk, robin stieler: 12.

[50:47] Under health care agency,

[50:48] approve amendment 2 to renew

[50:49] contract ma-042-23011109 with

[50:50] correctional managed care,

[50:51] medical corporation, for

[50:52] physician services for

[50:53] correctional health services

[50:54] programs, 7/1/26-6/30/28

[50:54] ($6,955,868; cumulative total

[50:55] $16,410,125); and authorize

[50:56] county procurement officer or

[50:59] deputized designee to execute amendment.

[51:01] We have no requests to speak on

[51:01] agenda item 12.

[51:02] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's a

[51:05] district 2 and 3 item. Any

[51:07] objection? Item is approved.

[51:09] Item 13, please.

[51:10] >>clerk, robin stieler: 13.

[51:11] Under john wayne airport,

[51:12] approve subordinate contract

[51:13] ma-280-26010529 with siemens

[51:14] industry, inc. For facility

[51:15] security systems, equipment, and

[51:16] software with related services,

[51:17] 4/23/26-2/18/29 ($2,800,000);

[51:18] renewable for one additional

[51:18] two-year term; authorize county

[51:20] procurement officer or deputized

[51:21] designee to execute contract;

[51:22] and make californi environmental

[51:23] quality act (Ceqa) Exemption

[51:23] findings under ceqa guidelines

[51:26] section 15378. We have no

[51:28] requests to speak on agenda item

[51:29] 13.

[51:30] >>chair, doug chaffee: item 13 a

[51:31] district 5 item.

[51:32] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

[51:34] the item.

[51:35] >>chair, doug chaffee: any

[51:38] objection? Motion carries.

[51:41] Unanimously. Next item is 14.

[51:42] >>clerk, robin stieler: 14.

[51:43] Under oc community resources,

[51:43] approve amendment 1 to contract

[51:45] ma-012-25011237 with citiguard,

[51:46] inc. For unarmed security guard

[51:47] services at various county

[51:48] library branch locations, 4/1/26

[51:49] -3/31/30 ($2,050,000;

[51:50] cumulative total $2,250,000);

[51:51] and authorize county procurement

[51:52] officer or deputized designee to

[51:53] execute amendment and future

[51:56] amendments under certain conditions.

[51:58] Question have no requests to

[51:59] speak on agenda item 14.

[52:02] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

[52:02] all-district item.

[52:03] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

[52:03] the item.

[52:04] >>chair, doug chaffee: any

[52:05] objection? Item is approved.

[52:08] Item 15, please.

[52:08] >>clerk, robin stieler: 15.

[52:09] Under oc community resources,

[52:10] approve amendment 7 to contract

[52:11] ma-012-23011443 with council on

[52:12] aging-southern california,

[52:13] inc. For senior health insurance

[52:13] counseling and advocacy program

[52:14] services, 4/1/26-3/31/27

[52:15] ($601,668; cumulative total

[52:16] $1,808,627); and authorize

[52:17] county procurement officer or

[52:18] deputized designee to execute

[52:24] amendment and future amendments

[52:27] under certain conditions. We

[52:28] have no requests to speak.

[52:30] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

[52:31] all-district item. Any

[52:33] objection? Item is approved.

[52:35] Item 16.

[52:36] >>clerk, robin stieler: 16.

[52:37] Under oc public works, adopt

[52:38] resolution initiating 2026 weed

[52:39] abatement program and setting

[52:40] public hearing for 4/14/26, 9:30

[52:41] A.M. To consider assessment to

[52:42] private property for cost

[52:43] removal of weeds by county or

[52:44] contractor; and make california

[52:45] environmental quality act (Ceqa)

[52:50] Exemption findings under ceqa

[52:54] guidelines section 15304. We

[52:56] have no requests to speak on

[52:56] agenda item 16.

[52:58] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

[53:00] all-district item. Moved and

[53:01] seconded. Any objection?

[53:05] Motion carries. Item 17, please

[53:06] please.

[53:06] >>clerk, robin stieler: 17.

[53:07] Under oc public works, approve

[53:08] aggregate contract

[53:09] ma-080-26010053 with various

[53:10] contractors for sanitation and

[53:11] remediation removal &

[53:12] decontamination services, 3/9/26

[53:13] -3/8/29 (Aggregate total

[53:14] $1,800,000); renewable for one

[53:14] additional two-year term;

[53:15] authorize county procurement

[53:16] officer or deputized designee to

[53:17] execute contract; and make

[53:18] california environmental

[53:19] quality act (Ceqa) Exemption

[53:19] findings under ceqa guidelines

[53:23] sections 15301 and 15308 we have

[53:26] no if to speak on agenda item

[53:27] 17.

[53:28] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

[53:29] all-district item.

[53:30] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:

[53:30] second.

[53:31] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

[53:32] seconded, any objection? Motion

[53:34] approved. I'd like now to move

[53:40] to item 28.

[53:41] >>clerk, robin stieler: 28.

[53:42] Under county executive office-

[53:43] acting as the orange county

[53:44] board of supervisors and orange

[53:44] county flood control district-

[53:45] adopt 2026 contract policy

[53:46] manual, effective 2/24/26

[53:48] 2/24/26; authorize county

[53:50] executive officer or designee to

[53:52] make changes under certain

[53:54] conditions; and adopt amended

[53:55] resolution authorizing director

[53:56] of oc public works,

[53:58] sheriff-coroner or designees to

[54:00] advertise bids in accordance

[54:02] with public contract code

[54:09] sections 22037, 22032(C) And 20128.5.

[54:11] We have no if to speak on agenda

[54:12] item 28.

[54:13] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

[54:14] all-district item.

[54:17] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

[54:17] the item.

[54:18] >>janet nguyen: I have a

[54:20] question, MR. CHAIRMAN

[54:21] supervisor supervisor nguyen.

[54:22] Go ahead.

[54:28] >>janet nguyen: any staff here?

[54:31] Maria, just, real quick, I

[54:35] know -- first, thank you. You

[54:37] did a phenomenal job in putting

[54:39] all of our thoughts and comments

[54:41] and questions from last week --

[54:43] or two weeks ago now. My only

[54:45] question is, I know that you've

[54:46] mentioned this, but I wanted to

[54:49] make sure that the -- under the

[54:51] board's approval on the power

[54:55] presentation, it says -- where

[54:57] it describes the changes to rfp

[54:59] and rfq comes to the board for

[55:01] selection and then staff

[55:02] negotiates the contract and then

[55:04] comes back to the board for

[55:07] final approval. But on the

[55:10] package itself, I don't see the

[55:14] rfp. I only see rfq. Am I

[55:16] missing somewhere? I just want

[55:17] to make sure that it is

[55:22] consistent and that it's in the

[55:24] manual.

[55:24] >>speaker: good morning,

[55:27] CHAIRMAN, vice-chair, members of

[55:29] the board. Yes, the change

[55:32] applies to all ASRs for

[55:33] contract award.

[55:35] >>janet nguyen: so rfp and --

[55:36] >>speaker: any contracts coming

[55:37] to the board. They will now

[55:39] come one time for selection

[55:41] earlier on in the process,

[55:43] asking for authority to then

[55:44] negotiate an award. But we will

[55:46] be coming earlier in the

[55:47] process.

[55:48] >>janet nguyen: okay. So that's

[55:53] not just an rfq for joc and a&e

[55:55] contracts, but for all.

[55:56] >>speaker: any contract coming

[55:58] to the board for award.

[55:59] >>janet nguyen: okay. Is it

[56:00] somewhere here? Because I just

[56:01] want to make sure that a year

[56:03] from now when we're talking

[56:04] about the manual, they're like,

[56:07] we only did what the manual

[56:07] says.

[56:11] >>speaker: cpm is silent on that

[56:13] procedural asr procedure. So

[56:15] the change also be in the

[56:18] procedures manual as well as the

[56:20] asr guidance dewpoints. So cpm

[56:21] is kind of silent on the process

[56:22] to get board approval.

[56:24] >>janet nguyen: why?

[56:26] >>speaker: because we refer to

[56:27] the asr guidance document and

[56:28] our producers manual.

[56:30] >>janet nguyen: when you have

[56:32] that, can you send it up to us.

[56:33] >>speaker: definitely.

[56:34] >>janet nguyen: thank you.

[56:35] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[56:36] supervisor sarmiento.

[56:37] >>vincente sarmiento: thank you,

[56:38] MR. Chair, and thank you, marie

[56:39] back for you and your team

[56:41] making sure -- I think

[56:42] everything that was discussed at

[56:43] the last meeting was included.

[56:45] Sounds like it was pretty

[56:46] comprehensive. Just going back

[56:47] to the question that supervisor

[56:48] nguyen was asking, the one

[56:50] change about having the items,

[56:53] these contracts come to the

[56:56] board first to give authority

[56:57] for you and your team to

[56:58] negotiate or for the contracts

[57:00] to be negotiated, so we'll be

[57:03] seeing these in advance of that.

[57:05] Does it come back to us, or is

[57:06] it pretty much once we give

[57:08] authority for you to then

[57:10] negotiate those contracts, are

[57:11] you now delegated with that?

[57:13] >>speaker: we will be asking for

[57:14] that delegated authority.

[57:16] However, the board has the

[57:17] opportunity to ask us to come

[57:21] back for an a -- back forward at

[57:22] any gufn time.

[57:23] >>vincente sarmiento: when you

[57:25] bring back the results of, you

[57:28] know, the rfp, rfq, it will come

[57:29] with no staff recommendation.

[57:32] It simply comes back with data?

[57:34] >>speaker: he will come back

[57:36] with the rank order of the

[57:37] results of the evaluation.

[57:39] >>vincente sarmiento: look, to

[57:40] me -- and I understand, you

[57:41] know, what we're doing. We want

[57:43] to be more objective, maybe a

[57:44] more open process for the board

[57:46] to be able to make a decision.

[57:49] I just want you to know, my

[57:50] understanding of staff

[57:53] recommending the way we have the

[57:54] existing procedure now where

[57:56] staff would come back and

[57:58] recommend a vendor or vendors

[58:00] based upon, you know, the

[58:02] procurement process, I always

[58:03] thought, was fair. That doesn't

[58:04] mean that this board has to

[58:06] follow staff's recommendation.

[58:08] It could deviate for whatever

[58:10] reason. We could just see

[58:11] things a little differently.

[58:14] But the guidance from an

[58:15] unbiased, technical subject

[58:16] matter, you know, a group of

[58:19] people on panels, that are

[58:21] taking a deeper dive on this has

[58:24] always been instructive. Not

[58:25] depositive, but, you know,

[58:27] helpful. So, you know, I didn't

[58:29] want that to be lost. But at

[58:33] the same time I think maybe the

[58:36] school board looking at having

[58:41] an unvarnished, you know, no

[58:44] preference from staff on this.

[58:45] But I don't know if a hybrid

[58:47] would be better where it comes

[58:48] to us early and the staff gives

[58:50] us their thoughts on, you know,

[58:53] what they believe would be the

[58:55] preferential vendor or the

[58:57] vendor that, you know, seems to

[58:58] be better suited, based on

[58:59] costs, experience, business

[59:01] plan, whatever criteria we have.

[59:04] I just didn't want to dismiss

[59:05] all our subject matter experts

[59:07] that are able to, you know, take

[59:09] a deeper dive than we would on

[59:12] this. Again, just for guidance.

[59:14] Not for any rubber stamping or

[59:16] doing anything else. It's just

[59:19] simply been helpful. So go

[59:20] ahead, maria.

[59:21] >>speaker: one suggestion is we

[59:24] could put in the background

[59:26] information of each asr based on

[59:31] the information or evaluation --

[59:34] or information contained the

[59:34] staff -- we could provide some

[59:35] sort of recommendation based on

[59:36] the information collected

[59:37] through the evaluation process.

[59:38] >>vincente sarmiento: right.

[59:39] And that doesn't mean that's

[59:40] going, to again, determine where

[59:42] this board is going to go. We

[59:43] could certainly take that into

[59:44] consideration or not and just

[59:46] simply, you know, go in a

[59:48] different direction. I do think

[59:50] having staff give us some idea

[59:52] and some sense of the rationale

[59:56] of how we arrived at ranking and

[59:58] how these different applicants

[1:00:00] did, I think, is fair. So to

[1:00:02] the extent that would be

[1:00:03] something that could be included

[1:00:04] in the process, again, that

[1:00:07] would be helpful, I think, as --

[1:00:08] you know, for the public as well

[1:00:10] as for us.

[1:00:11] >>speaker: there is procedural

[1:00:12] language until background of

[1:00:14] asr. We could put something in

[1:00:15] there and draft it and extend to

[1:00:18] the board's office for your

[1:00:18] concurrence.

[1:00:21] >>janet nguyen: MR. CHAIRMAN?

[1:00:21] MAY I?

[1:00:23] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[1:00:24] supervisor foley is next.

[1:00:24] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

[1:00:27] you. Mine will be quick. I

[1:00:30] just want to thank your team in

[1:00:31] procurement as well as all of

[1:00:34] the department procurement team

[1:00:36] members for helping us get

[1:00:37] through this process. It's my

[1:00:40] understanding that you all took

[1:00:43] another look, and the $3 million

[1:00:46] was gonna be okay in terms of

[1:00:48] efficiencies, and so I think

[1:00:50] this contract policy manual

[1:00:52] helps us to accomplish two

[1:00:54] things. It keeps us efficient

[1:00:57] in our progression and prevents

[1:01:00] us from having any delays in our

[1:01:02] projects, but also, you another

[1:01:05] a little bit more oversight and

[1:01:07] accountability by the board.

[1:01:09] And I'm hoping that if at all

[1:01:12] you think that it's starting to

[1:01:15] bog down, that you will alert

[1:01:17] us, because we have a lot of

[1:01:19] projects underway. We don't

[1:01:23] want to get bogged down. And so

[1:01:27] please do alert us. Thank you.

[1:01:28] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[1:01:28] supervisor nguyen.

[1:01:29] >>janet nguyen: thank you,

[1:01:30] MR. CHAIRMAN. I want to follow

[1:01:32] up on what supervisor sarmiento

[1:01:34] mentioned. My understanding is

[1:01:38] that staff would do your panel

[1:01:39] interview and everything, and

[1:01:40] then you would give us all that

[1:01:42] data so we would know -- because

[1:01:44] staff would usually take the

[1:01:45] highest score. So we would know

[1:01:46] that would be the selection of

[1:01:48] staff, and then we would be up

[1:01:50] here making that decision. And

[1:01:51] the only reason is last year we

[1:01:55] had so many of those came here

[1:01:56] afterward, and staff was -- put

[1:01:59] so much time in getting these

[1:02:00] contracts and everything

[1:02:02] negotiated, and then you had to

[1:02:05] start over. And so that's why,

[1:02:08] you know -- so it isn't that

[1:02:09] we're just being handed, here,

[1:02:10] have at it. You're going to

[1:02:12] give us the data, the panel,

[1:02:13] scoring, and all of that

[1:02:16] information, and then we get to

[1:02:17] make that -- we would then

[1:02:19] deliberate and make that

[1:02:19] decision.

[1:02:20] >>speaker: correct.

[1:02:22] >>janet nguyen: thank you.

[1:02:22] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank

[1:02:24] you. I'd like to thank you for

[1:02:26] the incredible line of work the

[1:02:28] staff has put in. It's been a

[1:02:30] long haul. And thank you for

[1:02:32] helping us understand the

[1:02:35] definition of "commodities" a

[1:02:36] little better. It's more than

[1:02:38] just gold and silver bars. And

[1:02:41] with that, I think we have a

[1:02:44] motion. Any objection? The

[1:02:46] item is approved. Thank you for

[1:02:47] your good work.

[1:02:48] >>speaker: thank you.

[1:02:48] >>chair, doug chaffee: and now

[1:03:00] we come back to item 18.

[1:03:01] 18. Approve job order contracts

[1:03:01] with various contractors for

[1:03:02] general contracting services,

[1:03:03] oneyear term ($5,000,000 each);

[1:03:04] and authorize director or

[1:03:07] designee to execute contracts.

[1:03:08] And we have no requests to speak

[1:03:09] on item 18.

[1:03:11] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

[1:03:13] all-district item. Supervisor

[1:03:13] wagner.

[1:03:14] >>don wagner: before we do that,

[1:03:19] though, I think this is an item

[1:03:20] that's $5 million per contract,

[1:03:23] and we just talked about and

[1:03:27] voted on $3 million. How is

[1:03:29] this going to work? Kevin, can

[1:03:33] you live with $3 million? Or do

[1:03:34] you want to add some other

[1:03:36] companies to make up the

[1:03:38] difference, or how -- help me

[1:03:40] square these two. I just didn't

[1:03:46] want this to fly past us.

[1:03:48] >>michelle aguirre: kevin,

[1:03:48] before you respond, I think as

[1:03:50] part the policy, right, the ends

[1:03:53] something for most types of

[1:03:55] contracts, most types of work,

[1:03:58] the $3 million will suffice.

[1:03:59] But there are some areas like

[1:04:01] the one that you see before you,

[1:04:03] the general contracting, where

[1:04:05] at least for this upcoming year,

[1:04:07] based on the number of projects,

[1:04:08] the analysis that staff has

[1:04:11] done, a higher amount is

[1:04:15] warranted, and departments would

[1:04:17] bring those requests based on

[1:04:18] their analysis. You MAY

[1:04:20] occasionally see something that

[1:04:21] deviates from the $3 million,

[1:04:23] about you has to be justified by

[1:04:24] the department, and then that's

[1:04:26] why we've got kevin here, to

[1:04:27] explain a little bit more

[1:04:29] related to the general

[1:04:32] contracting.

[1:04:33] >>speaker: CHAIRMAN Chaffee,

[1:04:36] members of the board, kevin

[1:04:37] aloom know, oc public works.

[1:04:39] The reason why we're

[1:04:42] recommending a higher dollar

[1:04:45] amount is joc contracts are low

[1:04:47] bid. If we went with the $3

[1:04:49] million limit, we had 17

[1:04:50] responsive bids, we'd be using

[1:04:52] the contractors with the highest

[1:04:53] prices, so we'd be paying more

[1:04:56] for the work. That why we're

[1:04:57] recommending fewer contracts at

[1:04:59] a higher dollar amount so we can

[1:05:02] keep it at more of the low

[1:05:03] bidders.

[1:05:06] >>don wagner: is that true of

[1:05:10] all joc contracts?

[1:05:12] >>speaker: well, the joc

[1:05:13] contracts for general

[1:05:14] contracting as michelle said

[1:05:15] tend to be a larger dollar

[1:05:18] amount. The other joc contracts

[1:05:21] when it's specific to a trade,

[1:05:23] plumbing and so on, the need for

[1:05:25] those are the project size and

[1:05:27] total dollar amounts tending to

[1:05:27] smaller.

[1:05:28] >>don wagner: so despite our

[1:05:30] policy and putting the $3

[1:05:31] million into the contract policy

[1:05:33] manual you expect on general

[1:05:35] contracting to keep coming back

[1:05:38] to us for higher amounts? So we

[1:05:40] should just be prepared for

[1:05:40] that?

[1:05:42] >>speaker: in general, yes. But

[1:05:44] it depends on the capital

[1:05:45] projects that are approved by

[1:05:47] the board. If we have less,

[1:05:49] maybe we can get by with the

[1:05:49] smaller dollar amount.

[1:05:50] >>don wagner: all right. Thank

[1:05:55] you. I'll move the item.

[1:05:56] >>chair, doug chaffee: if I MAY

[1:05:59] comment, when we do the asr and

[1:06:02] it exceeds the policy amount,

[1:06:03] then we shrewed a paragraph in

[1:06:06] there describing that and

[1:06:08] justifying it, if we can have

[1:06:09] that in the future ASRs,

[1:06:11] that'd be helpful.

[1:06:12] >>speaker: will do.

[1:06:12] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank

[1:06:13] you. Supervisor sarmiento.

[1:06:14] >>vincente sarmiento: and the

[1:06:16] chair just kind of said exactly

[1:06:17] weigh intended to say. Are we

[1:06:20] calling this an exemption, an

[1:06:21] exception, a justification?

[1:06:22] What term of art are we going to

[1:06:25] see in that additional

[1:06:26] paragraph, just so we're clear

[1:06:28] on the term? Maybe we should

[1:06:31] and our county counsel, I'm not

[1:06:39] sure if -- I've heard exemption,

[1:06:42] i've heard exception.

[1:06:44] >>speaker: we can develop that

[1:06:45] language and alert the board.

[1:06:46] >>vincente sarmiento: and I

[1:06:47] appreciate the $3 million

[1:06:48] because when I saw the data that

[1:06:50] you sent our office, the bulk of

[1:06:51] the contracts are $3 million and

[1:06:53] below. So that's why we landed

[1:06:56] on this amount. There are --

[1:06:57] there obviously were other

[1:06:58] contracts outside of that

[1:06:59] amount, but the bell curve, I

[1:07:02] guess if you look at it, was the

[1:07:04] median washed $3 million and

[1:07:05] below. I just want to make sure

[1:07:06] we have our terms correct.

[1:07:08] >>speaker: we will get that out

[1:07:08] to you.

[1:07:09] >>vincente sarmiento: thank

[1:07:10] you.

[1:07:11] >>chair, doug

[1:07:12] thank you

[1:07:13] vice-chair foley.

[1:07:14] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

[1:07:19] you. I'm not sure what we're

[1:07:21] going to get because that was

[1:07:23] the language we voted on. We

[1:07:24] specifically added that sentence

[1:07:26] that said for anything above $3

[1:07:28] million we would come to the

[1:07:29] board with a justification.

[1:07:31] It's not an exemption. It's

[1:07:32] just justification, for

[1:07:33] exceeding the $3 million. So I

[1:07:36] feel like we already have it in

[1:07:37] there. If we're going to change

[1:07:40] it, what do we need to change it

[1:07:42] to? We've already said it.

[1:07:44] >>vincente sarmiento: the only

[1:07:44] reason why I mentioned it is

[1:07:47] because I've heard exemption

[1:07:48] from staff exceptions as well.

[1:07:49] If we're not going to use

[1:07:51] justification, I wanted to see

[1:07:52] if there was any other language

[1:07:54] besides that. But if it's

[1:07:55] justification, then that's the

[1:07:56] term.

[1:07:58] >>michelle aguirre: departments

[1:08:01] will be required, right, to

[1:08:03] justify it within the background

[1:08:07] exception of the asr. But what

[1:08:08] the asr document does is provide

[1:08:10] standard like template language

[1:08:11] so that when you see, that we

[1:08:14] have consistent language across

[1:08:15] all ASRs for all departments

[1:08:17] that kind of lead up to that

[1:08:19] justification. So that's what

[1:08:21] maria was referring to. We can

[1:08:22] provide that standard language.

[1:08:23] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: so it

[1:08:25] will say "justification" and

[1:08:26] then whatever it is.

[1:08:27] >>michelle aguirre: exactly.

[1:08:28] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

[1:08:28] Thank you.

[1:08:29] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[1:08:30] supervisor nguyen.

[1:08:31] >>janet nguyen: thank you,

[1:08:34] MR. CHAIRMAN. So kevin...

[1:08:37] What are these projects? What's

[1:08:40] the $5 million each company --

[1:08:42] what are they doing?

[1:08:43] >>speaker: the projects are

[1:08:46] listed in attachment m. So

[1:08:47] they're the projects that have

[1:08:50] been approved by the board as a

[1:08:52] product of capital improvement

[1:08:54] projects with the budget or with

[1:09:00] the sfp. It includes projects

[1:09:03] for fy25/26 and also projects

[1:09:06] that were included in the sfp

[1:09:18] for fy '26/27 and on.

[1:09:20] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:

[1:09:24] libraries, public parks, --

[1:09:26] public works, the gas

[1:09:29] compressors, probation, juvenile

[1:09:31] hall, sprinkler system, it's on

[1:09:33] page 18 of the staff report.

[1:09:35] Orangewood children family

[1:09:37] center rehab, the manchester

[1:09:39] office building, several

[1:09:41] different ada and fire panel

[1:09:43] upgrades. A lot of parks,

[1:09:45] libraries, town valley library

[1:09:50] roof, hvac, westminster roof

[1:09:53] hvac, interior refresh for the

[1:09:57] library..

[1:09:59] >>janet nguyen: thank you. And

[1:10:02] I think what would be helpful,

[1:10:06] kevin, is maybe this page should

[1:10:09] be part of it, asr, so we see

[1:10:10] right away what these projects

[1:10:12] are or what you're working on

[1:10:13] versus having it in the back.

[1:10:15] Because I think -- you know, I

[1:10:17] want to also make sure that the

[1:10:19] public knows that we are giving

[1:10:21] you the $5 million outside the

[1:10:23] manual. I mean, basically it's

[1:10:26] your justification.

[1:10:29] >>speaker: so put in the body of

[1:10:31] the asr instead of the

[1:10:31] attachment.

[1:10:34] >>janet nguyen: yes, thank you.

[1:10:34] >>speaker: okay.

[1:10:35] >>chair, doug chaffee: all

[1:10:37] right. We have a motion. Any

[1:10:37] objection? Item is approved.

[1:10:55] Thank you. Item 19, please.

[1:10:55] >>clerk, robin stieler: 19.

[1:10:56] Under oc public works, consider

[1:10:57] second reading and adoption of

[1:10:57] "an ordinance of the county of

[1:10:58] orange, state of california,

[1:11:00] amending sections 3-14-2 through

[1:11:01] 3-14-16, 5-1-31, 5-1-33 and

[1:11:02] 7-9-103 of the codified

[1:11:04] ordinances of the county of

[1:11:05] orange"; and adopt resolution

[1:11:08] adopting zoning code amendment

[1:11:09] ca 25-02 (County of orange

[1:11:11] commercial cannabis activities

[1:11:13] and outdoor personal cultivation

[1:11:17] prohibition ordinance). Woe have

[1:11:19] no requests to speak on agenda

[1:11:19] item 19.

[1:11:21] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

[1:11:21] all-district item.

[1:11:22] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

[1:11:23] the item.

[1:11:24] >>chair, doug chaffee: all

[1:11:26] right. This is an interesting

[1:11:29] item in that we catch property

[1:11:32] owners who are profiting well

[1:11:34] illegal cannabis trade. I think

[1:11:35] it's a good ordinance. Any

[1:11:36] objection? Motion carries.

[1:11:43] thank you. Item 20 please.

[1:11:44] >>clerk, robin stieler: 20.

[1:11:45] Under oc waster & recycling,

[1:11:46] approve amendment 1 to renew

[1:11:47] contract ma-299-22011684 with

[1:11:48] stearns, conrad and schmidt,

[1:11:50] consulting engineers dba scs

[1:11:51] field services for landfill gas

[1:11:52] services, central region,

[1:11:52] 4/10/26-4/9/28 ($11,000,000;

[1:11:53] cumulative total $27,500,000);

[1:11:55] authorize county procurement

[1:11:56] officer or deputized designee to

[1:11:57] make minor changes under certain

[1:11:58] conditions and execute

[1:11:59] amendment; and make california

[1:12:00] environmental quality act (Ceqa)

[1:12:01] Exemption findings under ceqa

[1:12:03] guidelines sections 15301,

[1:12:07] 15304, and 15308. We have no

[1:12:09] requests to speak on agenda item

[1:12:09] 20.

[1:12:10] >>chair, doug chaffee: this is a

[1:12:12] district 2, 3, and 5 item.

[1:12:13] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:

[1:12:13] second.

[1:12:14] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

[1:12:15] seconded. Any objection? Item

[1:12:18] is approved. Item 21, please.

[1:12:18] >>clerk, robin stieler: 21.

[1:12:19] Under oc waste & recycling,

[1:12:20] adopt county of orange climate

[1:12:22] action planning document; direct

[1:12:23] staff to begin implementation

[1:12:25] phase and analysis; and make

[1:12:26] california environmental quality

[1:12:27] act (Ceqa) Exemption findings

[1:12:28] under ceqa guidelines section

[1:12:31] 15262 and public resources code

[1:12:37] sections 21083 and 21150. And

[1:12:38] MR. Chair, we very received

[1:12:40] three requests to speak on

[1:12:41] agenda item 21.

[1:12:42] >>chair, doug chaffee: please

[1:12:44] call the speakers.

[1:12:47] >>clerk, robin stieler: paulina

[1:12:51] alvarez, anna gromas, and jeff

[1:12:58] weaver.

[1:12:59] >>speaker: good morning, chair

[1:13:01] chaffee and members of the

[1:13:03] board. My name is paulina

[1:13:04] alvarez, and I'm the government

[1:13:05] affairs manager for the orange

[1:13:07] county business council. We

[1:13:08] support thoughtful,

[1:13:10] cost-effective, and achievable

[1:13:11] climate policies and appreciates

[1:13:14] the county's efforts to address

[1:13:16] greenhouse gas emissions and

[1:13:18] sustainability. Our concern is

[1:13:20] chapter 4 community climate

[1:13:22] action introduces measures that

[1:13:25] could create uncertainty and

[1:13:27] unintended consequences for

[1:13:29] house production, economic

[1:13:30] development and private

[1:13:31] investment in un-incorporated

[1:13:34] areas. Measure cm2 reduce

[1:13:37] vehicles miles travels vmt

[1:13:40] encourages reduction of vmt

[1:13:41] through public outreach and

[1:13:43] incentives. Our concern is vmt

[1:13:46] is already regulated under state

[1:13:51] law including sb-743 and ceqa.

[1:13:53] Additional local measures could

[1:13:55] duplicate standards and increase

[1:13:59] entitlement uncertainty and ce1

[1:14:01] promotes building

[1:14:03] decarbonization. The concern is

[1:14:06] it could raise construction

[1:14:08] costs, constrain housing supply

[1:14:09] and complicate private

[1:14:11] development particularly amid

[1:14:12] california's housing

[1:14:14] affordability crisis.

[1:14:15] Incorporating the cap into the

[1:14:17] general plan could

[1:14:18] unintentionally turn

[1:14:20] aspirational goals into binding

[1:14:23] land use standards raising

[1:14:24] secret disputes and feasibility

[1:14:26] challenges. Ocbc recommends the

[1:14:28] following, remove chapter 4

[1:14:30] community climate action from

[1:14:32] phase 2, avoid incorporating

[1:14:34] community cap measures into the

[1:14:35] general plan in a way that

[1:14:36] affects private development, and

[1:14:38] focus the cap on county

[1:14:39] operations and facilities to

[1:14:42] ensure clarity and legal

[1:14:43] defensibility and

[1:14:45] economic competitiveness. Ocbc

[1:14:46] remains committed to

[1:14:47] collaborating with the county on

[1:14:49] climate strategies that are

[1:14:50] effective, achievable and

[1:14:52] supportive of orange county's

[1:14:54] economy. Thank you for your

[1:14:56] time.

[1:14:58] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank

[1:15:00] you.

[1:15:02] >>speaker: good morning, chair

[1:15:06] chaffee and supervisors. Anna

[1:15:09] gromas here representing the

[1:15:10] building industry association in

[1:15:13] the orange county chapter. The

[1:15:14] first outline was OCTOBER of

[1:15:15] 2025 and the second one being in

[1:15:18] JANUARY of 2026, we still have

[1:15:19] concerns with the cap as it is

[1:15:22] written in chapter 4 is still

[1:15:23] problematic to us. There's a

[1:15:25] lot of combyity that surrounds

[1:15:28] the language on decarbon sayings

[1:15:31] and vmt. We kindly ask that

[1:15:32] that section be omitted from the

[1:15:35] cap. In addition in the

[1:15:36] JANUARY 2026 draft comprehensive

[1:15:38] general plan update that is

[1:15:40] currently out for public review,

[1:15:41] implementation of the cap was

[1:15:43] listed as an action item under

[1:15:44] the resource management elements

[1:15:46] section. The building industry

[1:15:47] is justifiably concerned that

[1:15:48] incorporating the climate action

[1:15:50] plan into the general plan will

[1:15:52] unintentionally turn advisory

[1:15:54] climate objectives into binding

[1:15:55] land use mandates. When goals

[1:15:57] are elevated into the general

[1:15:59] plan, they assume the same legal

[1:16:01] bhait weight as other general

[1:16:03] plan policies. That the county

[1:16:05] must use when conditioning,

[1:16:07] approving or denying development

[1:16:10] complications. If the cap is

[1:16:11] incorporated into the --

[1:16:12] development applications. If

[1:16:14] the cap is incorporated, there's

[1:16:16] a significant risk that the

[1:16:18] broad, long-term community

[1:16:19] greenhouse gas reduction goals

[1:16:21] could be applied rigidly to

[1:16:22] individual projects without

[1:16:25] consideration or proportionality

[1:16:27] or feasibility. It would switch

[1:16:28] the cap from a planning guide

[1:16:30] into a binding standard of

[1:16:33] review. Developers could be

[1:16:34] required to prove that their

[1:16:36] projects meet community wide

[1:16:39] goals. This creates entitlement

[1:16:41] risks and the potential for ceqa

[1:16:43] disputes over targets that were

[1:16:44] originally meant to be

[1:16:45] aspirational and not mandatory.

[1:16:46] From the beginning the county

[1:16:48] indicated that the cap would not

[1:16:48] be applied to private

[1:16:51] development and un-incorporated

[1:16:53] areas. The cap goals should

[1:16:54] remove references to private

[1:16:55] development, should not be

[1:16:55] incorporated into the general

[1:16:59] plan as doing so could turn

[1:17:00] community-wide aspirations into

[1:17:03] inflexible and enforceable

[1:17:04] mandates on individual prisons.

[1:17:05] We thank you for your time and

[1:17:06] consideration, and we look

[1:17:07] forward to continuing our work

[1:17:09] with the county on this

[1:17:10] mattered.

[1:17:11] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank

[1:17:15] you. Next speaker, please.

[1:17:16] >>speaker: good afternoon,

[1:17:18] board. I'm jeff weaver from san

[1:17:22] juan capistrano, the home of the

[1:17:24] prima desay sha landfill

[1:17:26] problem. We talked last time

[1:17:27] about the massive amount of

[1:17:31] toxic gas that comes out of each

[1:17:38] landfill. The prima landfill is

[1:17:40] located about a mile from san

[1:17:42] juan hills high school. At the

[1:17:44] current status before the

[1:17:46] expansion -- and I'd like to get

[1:17:48] some definition. Expansion, we

[1:17:49] talked last time -- or you

[1:17:52] talked to tom petition troll

[1:17:54] liss last time about expansion.

[1:17:56] I think we spent $100 million on

[1:17:57] to so-called expansion. This is

[1:17:59] it. This is what they're

[1:18:01] tearing apart right now. You

[1:18:02] see this from miles away. The

[1:18:03] problem is it's one mile from

[1:18:05] our high school. And the high

[1:18:07] school kids have no choice but

[1:18:10] to breathe this toxic gas. Oc

[1:18:12] waste and recycling and its

[1:18:13] climate action plan calls it

[1:18:15] odor. Well, the way they

[1:18:17] control the odor, they drive

[1:18:20] around and sniff and spray

[1:18:21] febreze type stuff to decrease

[1:18:24] the odor. And doesn't mean

[1:18:26] you're not smelling it. But if

[1:18:27] you're smelling it, it's really

[1:18:29] bad. And these kids are out

[1:18:31] there on the track team or the

[1:18:32] football team, running as hard

[1:18:34] as they can, they don't know

[1:18:35] that they're breathing these

[1:18:36] toxic fumes that are

[1:18:38] consistently over 1 million

[1:18:41] cubic feet per day that gets

[1:18:42] released, uncontrolled release

[1:18:44] from this landfill. So that's

[1:18:46] our big concern. And in the

[1:18:51] climate action plan they mandate

[1:18:53] aggressive methane management.

[1:18:54] And all I see in the climate

[1:18:56] action plan are drones. $25

[1:18:58] million for drones. They have a

[1:19:01] thing that says "drones are

[1:19:02] tackling methane gas." I

[1:19:04] watched the super bowl. I saw a

[1:19:06] lot of tackling. I don't know

[1:19:08] how it's even possible for a

[1:19:09] drone to tackle an invisible

[1:19:12] gas. But I like the definition

[1:19:14] on how the drone tackles the

[1:19:15] gas. I'd like the definition on

[1:19:18] how older is a toxic gas and the

[1:19:19] expansion. Is that an

[1:19:20] expansion? It looks like an

[1:19:22] expansion, and there's been over

[1:19:23] $100 million on this expansion.

[1:19:24] This be landfill will be in

[1:19:25] operation for 75 years. It's

[1:19:27] going to be producing this

[1:19:29] methane for over 100 years. But

[1:19:31] the problem is, this methane is

[1:19:33] fuel. If we tap this methane,

[1:19:35] our plan is to cap this

[1:19:38] landfill, tap the landfill and

[1:19:39] produce 20 megawatts of energy

[1:19:43] that will power the desal plant

[1:19:45] and the entire city of san juan

[1:19:46] capistrano for the next 100

[1:19:48] years. We want to put an

[1:19:48] amendment that you at least look

[1:19:51] at our plan. I've talked to two

[1:19:52] of the staff of the board

[1:19:54] members here -- or the

[1:19:54] supervisors. I've been waiting

[1:19:56] to talk to katrina foley for

[1:19:58] almost two years now, and I met

[1:19:59] with alyssa. I was supposed to

[1:20:02] have a meeting with her. I've

[1:20:03] been waiting two years. But

[1:20:04] until the climate action plan

[1:20:06] came out and environmental

[1:20:08] impact report came out just last

[1:20:09] month, we didn't have a whole

[1:20:11] lot of data to go on. The funny

[1:20:12] thing is the data they're study

[1:20:14] something from 2018 on the gas

[1:20:15] that's released from these

[1:20:17] landfills. 2018. That's the

[1:20:19] current data. I'm sorry -- I'm

[1:20:20] running a little long.

[1:20:22] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank

[1:20:22] you, sir.

[1:20:23] >>speaker: please someone talk

[1:20:25] to us about this. We have a

[1:20:27] plan, we have engineers.

[1:20:28] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank

[1:20:29] you, sir.

[1:20:31] >>speaker: we can have our own

[1:20:34] financing and won't cost a dime

[1:20:35] and we can save the kids from

[1:20:37] the poisonous gas at san juan

[1:20:38] hills high school. Please help

[1:20:39] us.

[1:20:39] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[1:20:41] supervisor wagner.

[1:20:43] >>don wagner: real quick, we're

[1:20:46] all at the octa board yesterday.

[1:20:48] We had been in discussion about

[1:20:49] one of these climate action

[1:20:54] plans or a plan that carbon come

[1:20:56] up with the ict, how it's

[1:20:58] failing. A newspaper article

[1:20:59] over the weekend, I want to say

[1:21:00] wall street journal, it MAY have

[1:21:05] been somewhere else. It

[1:21:06] explained that the world has

[1:21:10] spent $16 trillion with a "t" --

[1:21:12] trillion dollars on climate

[1:21:15] action plans this and climate

[1:21:17] environmental worries that and

[1:21:19] climate the other thing. And

[1:21:20] we're still spending that money,

[1:21:22] and we aren't really achieving

[1:21:24] anything close to what is

[1:21:27] promised. With we are also not

[1:21:32] seeing the ice melt in the artic

[1:21:34] and the polar bears drowning

[1:21:36] that al gore worried about in

[1:21:38] the '90s when he said we only

[1:21:39] have about 10 more years to fix

[1:21:41] this problem. Anyway, it's a

[1:21:43] long way of saying we've wasted

[1:21:45] an enormous amount of time on

[1:21:46] this. That said, as a realist

[1:21:48] and being in california, I

[1:21:49] recognize we need to have a

[1:21:51] climate action plan in order to

[1:21:56] get the funding that is

[1:21:57] absolutely critical to this

[1:21:58] government doing the basic

[1:22:00] function it is needs to do. We

[1:22:02] will not be eligible for grants

[1:22:05] without it. And so I am not

[1:22:06] prepared to vote against the

[1:22:09] entire climate action plan.

[1:22:11] Though, I believe it is a

[1:22:12] grotesque waste of money, it is

[1:22:14] the game the state forces us to

[1:22:17] play. That said, I think

[1:22:22] there's a lot to recommend the

[1:22:24] views of our business champions

[1:22:30] who are here, who recognize that

[1:22:32] business and people being able

[1:22:33] to do business for themselves

[1:22:36] means the government needs to do

[1:22:38] less. We can be smaller and be

[1:22:40] more responsive. And that said,

[1:22:43] that is a long way of saying we

[1:22:45] ought to take them at their

[1:22:47] word, we ought to do the minimum

[1:22:49] that we need to do to play the

[1:22:50] game the state forces us to

[1:22:53] play, and with that, I move

[1:22:56] approval the climate action plan

[1:22:58] with the complete removal of

[1:23:00] chapter 4, community climate

[1:23:03] action. That's my motion.

[1:23:04] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[1:23:08] supervisor nguyen.

[1:23:10] >>janet nguyen: sorry. And I'll

[1:23:15] second that. I agree. I mean,

[1:23:17] we do -- I've been in

[1:23:18] sacramento. I've heard all of

[1:23:20] these arguments. I've been in

[1:23:22] many, many hearings as well,

[1:23:23] and, you know, I continue to ask

[1:23:25] the question what has the

[1:23:28] results been for us in

[1:23:29] sacramento? And there's never

[1:23:30] been an answer. The answer has

[1:23:35] always been, well, we just gotta

[1:23:36] set a very high bar and

[1:23:38] hopefully we'll get there

[1:23:39] eventually. So, I mean, but,

[1:23:42] you know, in the end, we all

[1:23:45] here want -- as a county, want

[1:23:46] to reduce green house gas

[1:23:49] emission. But the goals we

[1:23:51] pursue needs to be in a way that

[1:23:53] also preserves the economic

[1:23:55] competitiveness, supports job

[1:23:57] creation and also avoids any new

[1:23:59] regulatory uncertainty. And so,

[1:24:04] you know, as drafted, the

[1:24:06] community section raise

[1:24:07] significant concerns because it

[1:24:09] focuses on an area where the

[1:24:13] county has limited jurisdiction,

[1:24:14] including private vehicles,

[1:24:15] privately-owned buildings and

[1:24:17] land use decisions overseen by

[1:24:20] other agency. And I know that

[1:24:25] it says volunteer and

[1:24:26] non-bind -- voluntary and

[1:24:29] non-binding, however, the

[1:24:31] section establishes countywide

[1:24:33] goals without clear

[1:24:33] implementation parameters

[1:24:35] creating risk of interpretation

[1:24:37] beyond existing state law. And

[1:24:41] so this action plan is intended

[1:24:42] to outline aspirational goals,

[1:24:44] not just create mandates. So

[1:24:47] I'm concerned about that line

[1:24:48] that's becoming very blurry.

[1:24:51] And so, you know, is especially

[1:24:54] if there's a lack of clarity, we

[1:24:57] need -- I mean, what will end up

[1:24:58] is that it will be duplicate, it

[1:25:01] will be inconsistent went

[1:25:02] requirements, increase

[1:25:04] developmental costs, add

[1:25:05] uncertainties for businesses and

[1:25:08] housing providers in our

[1:25:09] incorporated areas at a time

[1:25:11] when we need housing to be

[1:25:12] affordable in orange county.

[1:25:15] And the cost of living is

[1:25:17] unbearable. At this point for

[1:25:18] anybody who lives in orange

[1:25:21] county and so we as a county,

[1:25:23] when we set our policy, when

[1:25:30] it's countywide, yes we're

[1:25:32] saying incorporate, but we're

[1:25:38] also saying wink-wink,

[1:25:39] countrywide, meaning cities and

[1:25:41] everybody else also have to

[1:25:43] adhere to our mandate,

[1:25:46] countywide. So again, we can't

[1:25:50] have duplicate, you know, areas

[1:25:51] and unintended consequence asks

[1:25:53] not really understanding

[1:25:54] where -- what is mandate, what

[1:26:02] is volunteer, as well.

[1:26:03] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[1:26:04] vice-chair foley.

[1:26:04] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

[1:26:05] you, MR. CHAIRMAN.

[1:26:07] You know, I'm not really seeing

[1:26:09] these sections that have been

[1:26:10] referred to in the climate

[1:26:12] action plan itself. So there's

[1:26:13] nothing in the climate action

[1:26:15] plan that mandates anything on

[1:26:19] any private developer. We had

[1:26:20] representatives from the bi a

[1:26:21] and the business council on our

[1:26:24] task force. We've talked to

[1:26:27] them multiple times about this,

[1:26:30] and there's no mandates included

[1:26:34] in this climate action plan.

[1:26:37] And then respectfully we cannot

[1:26:39] remove this section that they're

[1:26:41] referring to because we will not

[1:26:44] qualify for any grants. So

[1:26:45] that's the critical component

[1:26:49] here. And if for no other

[1:26:52] reason the roadmap that has been

[1:26:55] created here is to conserve

[1:26:58] costs for the taxpayers, if for

[1:26:59] know other reason, even if you

[1:27:01] don't believe climate change is

[1:27:06] real, the measures, the roadmap,

[1:27:09] the landfill analysis is all

[1:27:12] intended to reduce cost and so

[1:27:13] make us competitive for grants.

[1:27:16] So I will not be supporting the

[1:27:17] motion.

[1:27:18] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank

[1:27:19] you. Supervisor wagner.

[1:27:21] >>don wagner: I want to respond

[1:27:23] a little bit. The fact that bi

[1:27:27] a and/or ocbc and/or any other

[1:27:29] business groups were in the

[1:27:31] discussions and at the table and

[1:27:33] on the panels and involved here

[1:27:35] doesn't mean that they were

[1:27:38] listened to. And the resulting

[1:27:40] document and their positions on

[1:27:42] it suggest that they weren't

[1:27:44] listened to. And I think we do

[1:27:49] a disservice to -- not just to

[1:27:50] those organizations but to the

[1:27:52] vast business community in

[1:27:53] orange county, that is so

[1:27:57] important to us, that has been

[1:27:59] so burdened by just trying to

[1:28:03] exist in this state, that the

[1:28:05] unaffordability issue supervisor

[1:28:06] nguyen raised has come to the

[1:28:08] forefront for so many people.

[1:28:11] We aren't doing any favors to

[1:28:15] everyone who is struggling with

[1:28:18] unaffordability by rushing pell

[1:28:21] mel into this and ignoring.

[1:28:22] witness the leerings they sent

[1:28:24] to us. They were at the table,

[1:28:26] but they got ignored and felt

[1:28:28] the need to do these letters.

[1:28:29] And that's why, slow it down,

[1:28:31] we'll still get the grants.

[1:28:34] We've got what we need to do,

[1:28:38] the bare minimum in what

[1:28:40] survives my motion, the climate

[1:28:43] action plan, just not this

[1:28:43] unthought-through potentially

[1:28:45] quite damaging section 4. I

[1:28:48] urge support for the motion.

[1:28:49] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[1:28:50] supervisor sarmiento.

[1:28:50] >>vincente sarmiento: thank you,

[1:28:52] MR. Chair. I see somebody from

[1:28:54] waste and recycling. Is it tara

[1:28:58] that's here? If you could come

[1:28:59] up if you don't mind. And as

[1:29:01] you're coming up, if you could

[1:29:03] answer sort of the question

[1:29:06] buffers, which is what would it

[1:29:09] do -- what would the impact be

[1:29:11] from removing this section from

[1:29:12] the climate action plan.

[1:29:14] >>speaker: good morning. I'm

[1:29:15] tara, deputy director of

[1:29:17] sustainability. What would it

[1:29:19] do, to answer your question,

[1:29:21] obviously we brought what we

[1:29:23] thought was, you know, finished

[1:29:25] product. I will say just to

[1:29:27] answer some of the comments that

[1:29:29] were raised, this is not being

[1:29:30] included in the general plan.

[1:29:31] There are no plans to put it in

[1:29:34] the general plan at all. Any

[1:29:36] document that's out on the

[1:29:38] general plan right now through

[1:29:39] public works I would encourage

[1:29:41] them to comment on that, as

[1:29:42] well, if there is a reference to

[1:29:46] the cap. Beyond that, the part

[1:29:48] that I would probably be worried

[1:29:49] about losing is the references

[1:29:51] to environmental justice. We

[1:29:53] have a lot of mandates related

[1:29:54] to environmental justice. I'm

[1:29:58] so sorry. And with that said,

[1:30:02] when we go back to tie the cap

[1:30:04] into the ej sections, which you

[1:30:06] know most of the prop 4, 40% of

[1:30:08] that funding is going to ej

[1:30:10] communities, and they literally

[1:30:11] ask if you can tie it back into

[1:30:13] an approved plan or motion. I'm

[1:30:15] not saying this guarantees us

[1:30:16] the money, but if it gives us a

[1:30:19] leg up, I would obviously love

[1:30:21] to keep it. With that said,

[1:30:23] it's at your discretion.

[1:30:28] >>vincente sarmiento: so I guess

[1:30:29] the -- sort of the essence of

[1:30:31] your response is that, keeping

[1:30:34] it in will help for future

[1:30:36] funding of projects that --

[1:30:38] >>speaker: I'm trying to just

[1:30:39] gives any leg up that we can

[1:30:42] get, and if there's an ab-39

[1:30:43] mandate that will also include

[1:30:44] environmental justice, that I'm

[1:30:46] hoping that when we bring this

[1:30:49] back with the ceqa document we

[1:30:49] will actually cover that report

[1:30:51] that's due. I completely agree,

[1:30:53] there are more mandates and laws

[1:30:54] than we can keep track of at

[1:30:56] this point. So the more we

[1:30:58] could try to cover, like we put

[1:31:00] the climate vulnerability

[1:31:01] assessment in to try to cover

[1:31:02] that state mandate. We are

[1:31:04] trying to make this as

[1:31:05] cost-effective as we can.

[1:31:06] >>vincente sarmiento: is there a

[1:31:08] net benefit from keeping this

[1:31:10] section in for future funding.

[1:31:11] >>speaker: I believe so.

[1:31:14] >>vincente sarmiento: thank you.

[1:31:14] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[1:31:15] supervisor nguyen.

[1:31:16] >>janet nguyen: thank you.

[1:31:22] Tara, can I just foul? -- follow

[1:31:25] up? So it's not -- it's certain

[1:31:27] that we would not get any

[1:31:28] funding.

[1:31:28] >>speaker: no. No.

[1:31:30] >>janet nguyen: because that's

[1:31:32] what was stated up here. I

[1:31:33] wanted to make sure that we're

[1:31:34] hearing there's a possibility,

[1:31:35] right. But that's a possibility

[1:31:36] all of our grants and every time

[1:31:40] we apply for any grants through

[1:31:42] the state or the federal, that

[1:31:44] we -- it's competitive and it's,

[1:31:48] you know, it can and cannot --

[1:31:49] we might or might not get it.

[1:31:50] >>speaker: correct. There's no

[1:31:52] guarantee. I think what we're

[1:31:53] trying to do is be as

[1:31:55] cost-effective as we could. But

[1:31:58] if it has to cover ab-39 and has

[1:32:00] to be a component of the general

[1:32:02] plan and we could supply ands

[1:32:04] dies and pull out of this

[1:32:05] document -- slice and dice just

[1:32:11] to pull out of this document to

[1:32:12] save money on reports down the

[1:32:14] road, that is also something we

[1:32:16] would be trying to do. We were

[1:32:18] not trying to mandate anything

[1:32:20] on the community side. We

[1:32:22] worked with bi a quite a bit,

[1:32:24] with adam at the time. We

[1:32:27] really just didn't want to be

[1:32:28] preclueded from having to do

[1:32:30] things like outreach, the mobile

[1:32:32] home parks, projects of that

[1:32:33] nature if an opportunity

[1:32:34] presented itself. We're not

[1:32:37] trying to mandate what type of

[1:32:39] boiler, heater. And the nice

[1:32:40] part is we do have to bring this

[1:32:42] back to you with a ceqa document

[1:32:45] if it's approved today so there

[1:32:47] will be time to make adjustments

[1:32:49] that nature, if you think that

[1:32:50] the language implies, that I do

[1:32:51] want to correct that.

[1:32:54] >>janet nguyen: I just think it

[1:32:55] makes everybody nervous when

[1:32:57] you're not sure what is

[1:32:58] mandated, what isn't. I mean, a

[1:33:00] lot of times when government

[1:33:04] says it's not mandated, but...

[1:33:07] It is on here, and wink-wink, we

[1:33:09] would really like to you follow

[1:33:11] it. That's what makes everybody

[1:33:11] nervous.

[1:33:12] >>speaker: I agree with their

[1:33:13] concerns on the general plan,

[1:33:14] and the nice part of being one

[1:33:16] of the last counties out of the

[1:33:17] gate is that you get to see what

[1:33:20] happened in other jurisdictions.

[1:33:21] And san diego county, I know

[1:33:23] and L.A. County, did have

[1:33:24] litigation because it was part

[1:33:27] of their general plan, which is

[1:33:28] why I really hope that the board

[1:33:31] does not put it in the general

[1:33:31] plan and avoid that. And I

[1:33:33] think that's where the concerns

[1:33:36] are coming from, from bia. I

[1:33:38] don't want to speak for them,

[1:33:40] but I do not want to put it in

[1:33:42] the general plan unless you feel

[1:33:42] otherwise.

[1:33:44] >>janet nguyen: and I don't want

[1:33:46] to do anything L.A. Does.

[1:33:50] >>speaker: I agree, but we're on

[1:33:51] the record.

[1:33:51] >>janet nguyen: thank you.

[1:33:52] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[1:33:58] supervisor wagner.

[1:34:00] >>don wagner: you're back. All

[1:34:03] right. So for a brief shining

[1:34:05] moment, I served on the south

[1:34:07] coast air quality management

[1:34:10] district board, and you and I

[1:34:11] had numerous conversations when

[1:34:13] I was wearing that hat. Now

[1:34:16] supervisor nguyen is honored and

[1:34:18] privileged and I'm sure thrilled

[1:34:21] to serve on that board. In

[1:34:23] those conversations, I remember

[1:34:25] you telling me things like,

[1:34:27] we've got all of these group ins

[1:34:30] out there, but they're for

[1:34:30] specific communities, and we

[1:34:34] don't have those communities in

[1:34:35] our county. So when you're

[1:34:40] talking about, well, let's just

[1:34:40] faint towards words

[1:34:41] environmental justice

[1:34:43] communities, et cetera, but at

[1:34:47] the end of the day, most of that

[1:34:50] by design is going to other

[1:34:51] counties because we don't fit

[1:34:53] the criteria. Correct?

[1:34:54] >>speaker: right. I think when

[1:34:56] we were having those

[1:34:57] conversations, we were talking

[1:35:00] about ab-61 exphiefnts. We do

[1:35:04] not. We have no ab-617, which

[1:35:07] are considered the most dire

[1:35:08] under environmental justice, and

[1:35:10] there's only six, and there is

[1:35:11] one in L.A., yes.

[1:35:13] >>don wagner: right. So the

[1:35:14] statutes are written by folks

[1:35:16] from L.A. To benefit L.A.. They

[1:35:17] don't come to orange county.

[1:35:19] And so to stand there and say,

[1:35:20] well, we just need to make

[1:35:25] this -- say these things doesn't

[1:35:26] change the reality on the

[1:35:28] ground. They write the statutes

[1:35:30] to benefit themselves, and we

[1:35:31] have been fighting for funding

[1:35:32] equity. We have been fighting

[1:35:34] for this, that, and the other

[1:35:35] thing and getting nowhere. I

[1:35:36] just lay that out there as maybe

[1:35:37] one of the reasons that we have

[1:35:40] to play the game, but we don't

[1:35:42] have to damage our community's

[1:35:44] wholesale to play that game,

[1:35:47] which is what chapter 4 does.

[1:35:49] MS. Walsh, is she in the

[1:36:01] audience and if I MAY...

[1:36:02] All right. You've been

[1:36:05] listening to all of this, and

[1:36:08] I'm going to kind of give -- and

[1:36:10] law school 101, never ask a

[1:36:11] question you don't know the

[1:36:13] answer to. I don't know the

[1:36:15] answer to this. We haven't

[1:36:18] talked. What is your legal view

[1:36:25] of this document, chapter 4.

[1:36:27] What excising chapter 4 would do

[1:36:28] to our availability to get these

[1:36:30] grants under all of these

[1:36:31] different programs. I know

[1:36:33] you've worked on it. I'm hoping

[1:36:35] you might be, if not the expert,

[1:36:39] the sacrificial lamb --

[1:36:42] >>speaker: I think sacrificial

[1:36:44] lamb helps us better at this

[1:36:45] point. I have reviewed it.

[1:36:47] There's a lot of things going on

[1:36:48] here. Just so everybody knows,

[1:36:49] with dough have a comprehensive

[1:36:50] general plan update coming up.

[1:36:52] It is out for public comment. I

[1:36:55] spoke to the woman from the bia

[1:36:58] in the back, and we do have a

[1:37:00] mitigation measure in the

[1:37:01] resource management chapter that

[1:37:03] mentions the climate action

[1:37:06] plan. That should be stricken.

[1:37:08] Because we are not making the

[1:37:09] climate action plan part of the

[1:37:13] general plan. In addition our

[1:37:14] comprehensive general plan

[1:37:16] update has to have an

[1:37:18] environmental justice chapter.

[1:37:20] It is does. The chapt draft has

[1:37:22] an environmental justice

[1:37:23] chapter. That will be the

[1:37:26] chapter that complies with state

[1:37:28] law because the climate action

[1:37:29] plan is not part of the general

[1:37:31] plan and we are not making it

[1:37:33] part of the general plan, any

[1:37:34] environmental justice

[1:37:38] conversation in the cap will not

[1:37:41] qualify us for anything because

[1:37:44] we are not the doing it as part

[1:37:44] the general plan. The law

[1:37:48] requires that an environmental

[1:37:54] justice chapter be adopted as

[1:37:57] part of the general plan. The

[1:37:57] general plan requires multiple

[1:37:59] hearings, as you all know, and

[1:38:01] that's upcoming. Right now the

[1:38:02] effect of today is that you

[1:38:04] would be approving a plan. This

[1:38:06] is just that you are approving

[1:38:09] sort of the contents of what we

[1:38:11] would move forward with in an

[1:38:13] environmental document for the

[1:38:15] cap. The cap right now as it

[1:38:17] stands before you, even if

[1:38:18] approved today, cannot be

[1:38:21] implemented because there are no

[1:38:24] ceqa findings. So we need to

[1:38:28] move forward with an ier. It is

[1:38:32] my understanding, and tara and I

[1:38:34] haven't talked about this in a

[1:38:35] while, and I was only involved

[1:38:37] in the end just to be clear,

[1:38:39] that the environmental document

[1:38:43] will not cover chapter 4. Okay.

[1:38:44] So that's correct. So what

[1:38:49] that means is that even if you

[1:38:52] adopt chapter 4 today,

[1:38:54] quote/unquote, it is merely a

[1:38:56] planning goal-oriented document.

[1:38:58] It cannot be implemented, and

[1:39:00] even after this when it is

[1:39:02] brought back to you, because the

[1:39:03] eir will not cover chapter 4.

[1:39:11] It cannot be implemented. It

[1:39:13] cannot be -- it's not binding.

[1:39:16] We can't use it as a -- we can't

[1:39:18] use it as a baseline for ceqa

[1:39:23] documents for residential

[1:39:25] developments. And we can't use

[1:39:29] it to impose mitigation measures

[1:39:32] because an eir will not have

[1:39:37] covered that chapter.

[1:39:39] >>don wagner: so is that a long

[1:39:41] way of saying it won't matter if

[1:39:42] we excise chapter 4, give us

[1:39:46] more time then to have more

[1:39:47] discussions with the

[1:39:48] stakeholders and get something

[1:39:50] that is not only agreeable to

[1:39:52] them, but to the entire board,

[1:39:53] and that we could then move

[1:39:55] forward with?

[1:39:56] >>speaker: I am not sure about

[1:39:58] the funding on chapter 4.

[1:40:00] That's what I'm not sure about.

[1:40:03] In my conversations with the oc

[1:40:05] waste and recycling, the fund

[1:40:06] has been about municipal. So

[1:40:09] that's not chapter 4. But there

[1:40:12] could be funding that implicates

[1:40:15] chapter 4. I honestly don't

[1:40:18] know. I don't know what that

[1:40:20] fund something, and I'm not

[1:40:22] usually involved in that, I'll

[1:40:25] be honest.

[1:40:27] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[1:40:30] vice-chair. Foals you're

[1:40:31] getting everything mixed up

[1:40:34] here. Sorry. But chapter 4 is

[1:40:38] not an implementation strategy

[1:40:38] section.

[1:40:39] >>speaker: right.

[1:40:39] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: it

[1:40:47] talks about promoting -- it

[1:40:49] talks about reducing building

[1:40:52] energy, it talks about

[1:40:53] promoting, building

[1:40:55] decarbonization. It talks about

[1:40:57] promoting solar installation.

[1:41:02] It talks about accessible ev

[1:41:06] charge infrastructure. It's

[1:41:10] intend as a non-mandate section

[1:41:14] that covers areas of support.

[1:41:17] So the language in chapter 4

[1:41:19] says the community component of

[1:41:24] the cap does not include binding

[1:41:26] emissions, reductions, targets

[1:41:28] or required implementation

[1:41:31] measures. The community

[1:41:32] component instead proposes

[1:41:34] measures that could reduce

[1:41:38] emissions if undertaken

[1:41:38] voluntarily.

[1:41:39] >>speaker: correct.

[1:41:39] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: and

[1:41:41] the reason for this chapter is

[1:41:44] intended so that we could help

[1:41:48] support cities and nonprofits

[1:41:50] and communities like we did

[1:41:54] recently with our trump

[1:41:56] administration epa grant that

[1:42:01] was for our mobile home park

[1:42:03] project in supervisor

[1:42:04] sarmiento's district to install

[1:42:06] solar. So that is what it is

[1:42:09] intended for, is to be

[1:42:12] supportive so that we can help

[1:42:15] those communities to achieve

[1:42:18] grants. And so I think that

[1:42:22] it's getting all confused

[1:42:24] because there's an intentional

[1:42:28] attempt to confuse it, and so

[1:42:30] just to be clear, what I heard

[1:42:34] you saying, that is correct is

[1:42:36] that chapter 4 is not a mandate

[1:42:40] that is being channeled into the

[1:42:42] general plan into the

[1:42:44] environmental documentation for

[1:42:46] purpose of development in the

[1:42:48] county un-incorporated area. We

[1:42:50] are not mandating what is

[1:42:52] contained in the section related

[1:42:55] to chapter 4. Correct.

[1:42:55] >>speaker: that's correct.

[1:42:57] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

[1:42:59] So the reason for chapter 4,

[1:43:02] though is that if we don't have

[1:43:06] chapter 4 we will not be able to

[1:43:10] be as competitive for state

[1:43:13] grants, especially prop 4. And

[1:43:16] that is why we included chapter

[1:43:19] 4. And just.

[1:43:21] Ly, we didn't ignore anyone.

[1:43:25] We've had many, many

[1:43:27] conversations. The concern is

[1:43:29] understood, and that's why I've

[1:43:30] said every single meeting over

[1:43:32] the past year and a half these

[1:43:35] are not mandates; these are how

[1:43:37] the county creates a roadmap for

[1:43:39] how we manage our own buildings,

[1:43:40] especially our landfills. We

[1:43:41] have three landfills that are

[1:43:43] creating the most carbon

[1:43:44] emissions for -- you know,

[1:43:47] that's our main carbon emitter,

[1:43:49] is our landfills. The priority

[1:43:50] will be focused on reducing the

[1:43:52] landfill emissions and our own

[1:43:55] county building, saving taxpayer

[1:43:56] funds by reduce energy costs.

[1:43:57] Thank you.

[1:43:58] >>chair, doug chaffee: all

[1:44:00] right. One more time, I'm going

[1:44:02] to go around and make a comment

[1:44:03] of my own and call for a vote if

[1:44:05] I MAY. Supervisor wagner.

[1:44:08] >>don wagner: I'll just be real

[1:44:11] brief. Weigh heard was chapter

[1:44:13] 4 -- what I heard was chapter 4

[1:44:15] is not about grants, from our

[1:44:17] lawyer. That's in municipal.

[1:44:20] And therefore the grants

[1:44:22] argument is sort of a red

[1:44:26] herring as it applies to chapter

[1:44:28] 4.

[1:44:30] >>speaker: I think I said -- I'm

[1:44:31] not sure about all of the grants

[1:44:33] that could result from chapter

[1:44:36] 4. So we do have -- if it's an

[1:44:37] environmental justice grant,

[1:44:38] because there was discussion

[1:44:40] about environmental justice, we

[1:44:41] have a specified chapter hear

[1:44:43] that will meet the requirements

[1:44:45] of the general plan in our draft

[1:44:47] general plan. There could be

[1:44:49] other grants. I'm not an

[1:44:50] expert.

[1:44:51] >>don wagner: chapter 4 intnt

[1:44:56] grants, correct?

[1:44:57] >>speaker: I think you're asking

[1:45:03] me a question -- I'm -- chapter

[1:45:06] 4 is not about grants because

[1:45:10] chapter 4 is a cap for

[1:45:13] community, you know, ghg goals.

[1:45:15] >>don wagner: thank you.

[1:45:15] >>chair, doug chaffee: all

[1:45:16] right. I'll make my own

[1:45:18] comment. I dweebt to remove

[1:45:22] chapter 4. The meeting is held

[1:45:24] in my district. I saw

[1:45:25] tremendous enthusiasm from my be

[1:45:27] constituents. There was no

[1:45:29] objection to these things being

[1:45:32] objected to. I read the bia

[1:45:35] letter. I kind of thought, how

[1:45:37] does that even relate to the

[1:45:38] document? It seemed like a

[1:45:40] misfire. Because when I read

[1:45:41] the document, there's nothing

[1:45:44] binding that would even slightly

[1:45:45] impact came a building trade.

[1:45:48] So my -- I'm going to vote no on

[1:45:50] the motion. And at this time,

[1:45:51] I'd think I'd ask the clerk to

[1:45:52] call the roll.

[1:45:54] >>clerk, robin stieler:

[1:45:57] supervisor wagner. Supervisor

[1:45:58] nguyen.

[1:45:59] >>janet nguyen: yes.

[1:46:02] >>clerk, robin stieler:

[1:46:03] supervisor sarmiento, vices

[1:46:04] chair foley.

[1:46:06] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: no.

[1:46:06] >>clerk, robin stieler: and

[1:46:07] chair chaffee.

[1:46:08] >>chair, doug chaffee: no. I

[1:46:10] think I will make a motion that

[1:46:11] we approve the climate action

[1:46:14] plan including chapter 4.

[1:46:15] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll

[1:46:15] second.

[1:46:16] >>janet nguyen: MR. CHAIRMAN,

[1:46:17] MAY I --

[1:46:18] >>chair, doug chaffee: we have a

[1:46:19] motion on the floor. Now we can

[1:46:22] discuss it. Supervisor wagner.

[1:46:22] >>don wagner: I was just going

[1:46:24] to ask the chair, given the

[1:46:28] natural division in the

[1:46:28] question, to divide chapter 4

[1:46:30] out so that we can vote on the

[1:46:32] bulk of the climate action plan

[1:46:34] and chapter 4 separately.

[1:46:35] >>chair, doug chaffee: I would

[1:46:37] be agree tonight bifurcating if

[1:46:38] that's agreeable -- I see a lot

[1:46:42] of nodding. Let's -- let me

[1:46:43] restate the motion, that we

[1:46:45] consider the plan without

[1:46:47] chapter 4, and we'll come back

[1:46:50] and consider chapter 4

[1:46:53] separately. MAY I have a

[1:46:54] second?

[1:47:00] >>janet nguyen: I'll second it.

[1:47:01] >>chair, doug chaffee: the

[1:47:02] motion is everything but chapter

[1:47:04] 4.

[1:47:07] Is there any objection to

[1:47:09] that. So the plan to chapter 4

[1:47:10] is now approved. I'll make a

[1:47:12] motion that chapter 4 be

[1:47:13] included in the plan.

[1:47:13] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:

[1:47:14] second.

[1:47:14] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

[1:47:16] seconded. Now we can talk

[1:47:17] separately about chapter 4 if

[1:47:20] anyone cares. Supervisor

[1:47:20] nguyen.

[1:47:21] >>janet nguyen: thank you,

[1:47:23] MR. CHAIRMAN. If you would

[1:47:27] consider for chapter 4 is just

[1:47:29] removing two sections of it.

[1:47:32] Which is measure c, dash e-1,

[1:47:36] which sets the building decarbon

[1:47:40] sayings targets that while is

[1:47:42] labor voluntary, it could be

[1:47:43] interpreted as future policy

[1:47:46] commitments and could contblict

[1:47:47] state building codes and utility

[1:47:51] programs. Building retrofit

[1:47:53] expectation MAY increase costs

[1:47:54] and operational challenges,

[1:47:56] especially for small businesses

[1:47:59] and older buildings. So

[1:48:02] removing measure c-e1, and the

[1:48:05] second one I'm asking you to

[1:48:09] consider is removing measure

[1:48:13] c-m2 which establishes the

[1:48:17] vehicle mileage travel

[1:48:20] reduction. That targets -- it's

[1:48:22] largely outside the county's

[1:48:26] direct control, and really could

[1:48:29] negatively impact our business

[1:48:30] access workforce mobility and

[1:48:32] goods movement. So referencing

[1:48:34] to come to this, it would

[1:48:35] introduce land use policy

[1:48:37] directions through a climate

[1:48:39] plan rather than utilizing an

[1:48:43] established plan in process.

[1:48:45] Vmt has been in discussion in

[1:48:46] sacramento since I was up there

[1:48:49] for probably the full decade,

[1:48:53] and so I think that we here at

[1:48:55] county shouldn't be including

[1:48:58] that in our section. And so if

[1:49:01] you would consider removing

[1:49:04] those two, I can support the

[1:49:14] rest of chapter 4.

[1:49:16] >>chair, doug chaffee: can I be

[1:49:17] clear where that's in the plan.

[1:49:21] >>janet nguyen: so c-e1, which

[1:49:22] is --

[1:49:22] >>chair, doug chaffee: you can

[1:49:23] give me a page number.

[1:49:30] >>janet nguyen: page 95.

[1:49:30] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank

[1:49:32] you. Vice change comments.

[1:49:32] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

[1:49:35] you, MR. CHAIRMAN. I need

[1:49:38] change my vote on the prior

[1:49:40] because I want to be against the

[1:49:41] cap. The way that the vote got

[1:49:43] set up, I voted against the

[1:49:45] climate action plan, which

[1:49:46] obviously I don't want to do

[1:49:47] that because I spent two years

[1:49:49] of my life helping to develop

[1:49:51] it. So I need to change my vote

[1:49:53] to a yes on the original motion.

[1:49:55] I just was not in favor of

[1:49:58] removing chapter 4.

[1:49:59] >>vincente sarmiento: I'll move

[1:50:00] to reconsider the initial vote

[1:50:03] on the balance of the cap plan

[1:50:05] without chapter 4.

[1:50:06] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

[1:50:07] you. Second.

[1:50:07] >>chair, doug chaffee: wait a

[1:50:11] minute. I got lost in all that.

[1:50:15] We're talking separately about

[1:50:15] the -- chapter 4.

[1:50:16] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I

[1:50:18] understand. But the original

[1:50:21] motion was the climate action

[1:50:22] plan without chapter 4, which I

[1:50:24] voted against. But now because

[1:50:27] of how it got set up, now I'm

[1:50:29] against the cap as a result,

[1:50:31] because you just added the

[1:50:34] chapter 4 into the original

[1:50:37] motion. So it made it so that I

[1:50:39] voted against the cap, not

[1:50:41] intentionally.

[1:50:41] Unintentionally.

[1:50:42] >>chair, doug chaffee: well, I

[1:50:43] didn't interpret it that way.

[1:50:47] We simply voted for the plan

[1:50:50] itself. Clearly, I thought with

[1:50:51] the understanding that we would

[1:50:53] consider adding chapter 4

[1:50:55] separately. That's what we're

[1:50:55] doing.

[1:50:57] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: so

[1:50:58] can I just re --- I would like

[1:51:00] to vote in favor of the original

[1:51:01] motion because I want to be in

[1:51:04] favor of the cap.

[1:51:06] >>chair, doug chaffee: of

[1:51:06] chapter 4.

[1:51:07] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I

[1:51:09] support chapter 4. I support

[1:51:10] the whole cap as presented.

[1:51:11] >>chair, doug chaffee: so you

[1:51:14] don't support the bifurcation;

[1:51:15] is that what it is, where we

[1:51:18] separated chapter 4 from the

[1:51:19] plan?

[1:51:22] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I

[1:51:24] support -- I did not support

[1:51:27] removing chapter 4. And I'm

[1:51:29] just trying to make sure my vote

[1:51:30] is in favor of the cap. I'm not

[1:51:33] sure what we voted that the

[1:51:34] point.

[1:51:34] >>chair, doug chaffee: why don't

[1:51:37] we restate the motion, if that's

[1:51:41] where we're at, that we simply

[1:51:43] approve the plan as presented,

[1:51:44] including chapter 4. Is that

[1:51:45] where you're at.

[1:51:48] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: yes.

[1:51:48] Second.

[1:51:50] >>janet nguyen: we bifurcated

[1:51:50] it.

[1:51:51] >>chair, doug chaffee: I know.

[1:51:52] But I think the result is the

[1:51:54] same if we -- if you move

[1:51:57] chapter 4 into the plan.

[1:51:59] >>vincente sarmiento: I think

[1:52:02] the vice-chair simply wants to

[1:52:03] revote on the first part of the

[1:52:05] bifurcation, which is on the

[1:52:07] plan without chapter 4, because

[1:52:08] she voted no and wants to vote

[1:52:10] in favor of it.

[1:52:11] >>janet nguyen: so in other

[1:52:14] words, what I'm hearing, MADAM

[1:52:17] Vice-chair, that we just need to

[1:52:17] reconsider --

[1:52:19] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: is

[1:52:20] there a way to clear the board?

[1:52:22] >>chair, doug chaffee: we can

[1:52:26] make a notion reconsider. Ask

[1:52:26] counsel to clarify, if he can.

[1:52:28] >>leon page: I think typically

[1:52:31] the board is allowable of these

[1:52:33] kinds of requests. And I think

[1:52:34] there's just unanimous support

[1:52:36] for the climate action plan

[1:52:37] without chapter 4.

[1:52:39] >>chair, doug chaffee: yes

[1:52:40] paidgesz all of the members

[1:52:42] support that. The controversy

[1:52:43] concerns chapter 4, and I think

[1:52:45] that's where the board had the

[1:52:46] division of the vote, and now

[1:52:48] there's been a request by

[1:52:49] supervisor nguyen to remove two

[1:52:52] action items in chapter 4.

[1:52:53] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:

[1:52:54] that's not answering the

[1:52:54] questions.

[1:52:56] >>leon page: I think the clerk

[1:52:58] can record that all five members

[1:53:00] support the climate action plan

[1:53:01] without chapter 4. And that's

[1:53:02] what I think supervisor foley is

[1:53:05] trying to get to. Supervisor

[1:53:07] foley also supports chapter 4,

[1:53:08] and that's where we will

[1:53:09] eventually end up.

[1:53:10] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

[1:53:10] you.

[1:53:16] >>chair, doug chaffee: okay. So

[1:53:17] I'm going to stand by the

[1:53:19] bifurcation, and we're now

[1:53:20] considering chapter 4 as part

[1:53:24] the climb ate -- climate action

[1:53:24] plan.

[1:53:25] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: yep.

[1:53:26] >>chair, doug chaffee: all

[1:53:27] right. Any further discussion

[1:53:30] on that or shall we call another

[1:53:31] roll at this point.

[1:53:33] >>janet nguyen: I'm so confused.

[1:53:36] I'm sorry. I'm confused. So

[1:53:43] our original vote for 81, the

[1:53:46] climate action plan without 4,

[1:53:48] was 4/1.

[1:53:49] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: it's

[1:53:51] now 5-0. And then he added back

[1:53:52] in chapter 4, and you've asked

[1:53:55] for changes to chapter 4, which

[1:53:56] there isn't support in the maker

[1:53:58] of the motion for that.

[1:53:59] >>janet nguyen: so the new vote

[1:54:01] is just on chapter 4 then.

[1:54:02] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:

[1:54:11] adding it in -- so it's page 65

[1:54:18] in also page 100.. I'm

[1:54:18] asking --

[1:54:21] >>janet nguyen: also on page

[1:54:22] 100, I'm asking you to consider

[1:54:24] moving these two items off of

[1:54:25] chapter 4 and I will be

[1:54:35] supporting the rest.

[1:54:36] >>chair, doug chaffee: are there

[1:54:37] any other comments? I see the

[1:54:42] point that you're making on e1.

[1:54:44] I didn't read the next page,

[1:54:44] but...

[1:54:46] >>janet nguyen: page 100 is the

[1:55:09] vehicles miles travel.

[1:55:11] >>chair, doug chaffee: that one

[1:55:14] I would be supportive of

[1:55:17] removing, c-e3, but not the

[1:55:20] other one, I think that has some

[1:55:21] advantage. It's just a planning

[1:55:26] consideration. That one. And I

[1:55:28] think -- bifurcation to me is an

[1:55:29] economic consideration.

[1:55:34] >>janet nguyen: so c-e1 is

[1:55:34] the --

[1:55:34] >>chair, doug chaffee: isn't

[1:55:38] that on -- that's 97, sorry.

[1:55:40] >>janet nguyen: 95.

[1:55:41] >>chair, doug chaffee: I'm

[1:55:44] sorry. E1 on page 95, I would

[1:55:46] be agreeable that that be

[1:55:46] removed.

[1:55:52] >>janet nguyen: what about c-m2?

[1:56:01] , which is page 100.

[1:56:03] >>chair, doug chaffee: no. I

[1:56:04] think that's okay. I would

[1:56:06] leave that. But I think the

[1:56:07] electrification goes with the

[1:56:10] concept of all electric water

[1:56:11] heaters and all that kind of

[1:56:17] stuff that made no sense.

[1:56:18] .

[1:56:20] So I think electrification is

[1:56:21] more of an economic concept to

[1:56:23] me. Not necessarily a climate

[1:56:25] one. You get there through

[1:56:25] economics, I think.

[1:56:26] >>janet nguyen: but remember,

[1:56:29] MR. CHAIRMAN, the vehicles miles

[1:56:32] travel is also economic.

[1:56:36] Currently those who has gas car

[1:56:38] paying gas taxes. While those

[1:56:40] who has electric cars are not

[1:56:45] paying the tax -- the gas tax.

[1:56:47] And what you're going to end up

[1:56:49] with is when we implement

[1:56:51] statewide vehicles miles travel,

[1:56:55] which means those whoa has gas

[1:56:57] car would not only be paying

[1:57:00] sales tax on the gasoline

[1:57:01] they're pumping into their car,

[1:57:03] but they're also now going to be

[1:57:05] paying vehicles miles travel

[1:57:07] while the electrical cars folks

[1:57:08] are only paying for the vehicles

[1:57:10] miles travel and not the gas

[1:57:13] sales tax. So I think it's also

[1:57:16] economic. And it does hit

[1:57:19] individuals and families, you

[1:57:20] know, very hard, and that's one

[1:57:22] of my arguments in the last, you

[1:57:24] know, several years in

[1:57:26] sacramento when we talked about

[1:57:28] the vehicles miles travel. And

[1:57:32] so I think that removing both of

[1:57:35] them would really -- I mean, it

[1:57:37] also allows those -- I mean, for

[1:57:44] us to continuing to watch that

[1:57:45] sacramento is doing. They've

[1:57:46] got hearings, talking about the

[1:57:48] vehicle miles travel as well

[1:57:50] this year. And watching what

[1:57:52] they do and how it's going to be

[1:57:54] implemented statewide would be

[1:57:55] much more helpful to us than to

[1:57:58] put it into our action.

[1:57:58] >>chair, doug chaffee: I think

[1:58:00] the vehicle miles plan can be

[1:58:02] done different ways. Maybe a

[1:58:04] different rate for electric cars

[1:58:06] than gasoline cars for example.

[1:58:07] I think that's a concept that

[1:58:18] I'd like to see explored.

[1:58:20] >>chair, doug chaffee: I would

[1:58:22] demand the motion to approve by

[1:58:25] 4 by deleting that first item on

[1:58:26] page 95 that you're referring to

[1:58:28] if the second is agreeable to

[1:58:30] that. If the second is not

[1:58:33] agreeable, then we don't move

[1:58:34] forward.

[1:58:36] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: can

[1:58:38] someone clarify what section

[1:58:39] we're deleting? I don't have

[1:58:41] page numbers on mine.

[1:58:43] >>chair, doug chaffee: page 95.

[1:58:46] >>janet nguyen: c-e1.

[1:58:47] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: c-e1

[1:58:50] as I understand it says provide

[1:58:51] technical assistance to private

[1:58:53] building owners and tenants

[1:58:55] regarding building

[1:58:56] decarbonization and explore

[1:58:57] opportunities to connect

[1:58:59] building owners with proficient

[1:59:00] contractors. That's what you

[1:59:03] want to remove? I don't

[1:59:04] understand.

[1:59:05] >>leon page: there are actually

[1:59:08] three action items on page 95.

[1:59:09] >>chair, doug chaffee: page 95.

[1:59:11] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: c-e1

[1:59:13] says what I just read. Which

[1:59:17] section are you asking to

[1:59:17] remove?

[1:59:22] >>janet nguyen: c-e1, e-1, dash

[1:59:24] 2, and dash 3.

[1:59:25] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: dash

[1:59:27] 2 and 3 is what you want to

[1:59:28] remove.

[1:59:28] >>janet nguyen: all three of

[1:59:30] them. At this point --

[1:59:31] MR. Chair, I appreciate --

[1:59:33] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: can I

[1:59:37] finish? So c-e1.2, I just want

[1:59:38] to make sure we're all on the

[1:59:40] same page, says work with local

[1:59:43] utilities and or the southern

[1:59:44] california regional energy

[1:59:47] network to promote replacement

[1:59:49] of natural gas appliances

[1:59:50] through education and financial

[1:59:51] incentives. That's assuming

[1:59:54] that those are required by the

[1:59:56] state at some point. We're not

[1:59:58] mandating it, we're just saying

[2:00:00] if that's required, work with

[2:00:02] locals to help them. So is that

[2:00:04] what you want to remove? Is

[2:00:07] that a yes or a no? I just want

[2:00:08] to go through and make sure I

[2:00:10] know what you want to remove.

[2:00:13] >>janet nguyen: I said all of

[2:00:13] e-1.

[2:00:13] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: so

[2:00:17] the next part of e-1.3 is launch

[2:00:19] educational campaigns for

[2:00:20] residents, businesses and

[2:00:23] building owners and managers on

[2:00:25] decarbon sayings and/or

[2:00:26] electrification programs and

[2:00:29] incentives offered by the local

[2:00:35] utilities and or so cal rye n,

[2:00:39] which is the regional --

[2:00:41] southern california regional

[2:00:44] energy network. Is that what

[2:00:46] else you want to remove.

[2:00:47] >>janet nguyen: all of e-1.

[2:00:50] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: and

[2:00:54] the vehicle miles traveled, the

[2:00:56] recommendation is to evaluate

[2:00:57] opportunities to support and

[2:00:58] expand active transportation

[2:01:00] infrastructure to major

[2:01:01] destinations within

[2:01:03] un-incorporated areas, and the

[2:01:05] second goal is to promote and/or

[2:01:07] incentivize transit oriented,

[2:01:09] mixed use, compact development

[2:01:11] through permit streamlining and

[2:01:12] incentives. That's not really

[2:01:15] about vehicle miles traveled as

[2:01:17] a tax, as it's been described.

[2:01:19] It's more about how do we create

[2:01:21] infrastructure. So I would not

[2:01:23] support the motion. I would not

[2:01:26] support the request to remove

[2:01:29] those because --

[2:01:30] >>chair, doug chaffee: either of

[2:01:30] them.

[2:01:31] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: well,

[2:01:32] I don't know what -- we're going

[2:01:34] to remove the section -- I'd

[2:01:36] like to hear why we need to

[2:01:38] remove the section about

[2:01:39] providing technical assistance

[2:01:41] and working with the utility

[2:01:49] companies. Don't we want to do

[2:01:49] that.

[2:01:50] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's

[2:01:51] today to into this

[2:01:55] electrification issue, so...

[2:01:56] >>janet nguyen: MR. CHAIRMAN,

[2:01:57] MAY I --

[2:01:58] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: it's

[2:02:01] not requiring -- look, I have a

[2:02:02] gas stove. I know people

[2:02:03] have -- there's like a lot of

[2:02:08] debate about that. And that's

[2:02:09] why we did mandate anything like

[2:02:12] that. And so I don't think this

[2:02:13] section does what has been

[2:02:14] described.

[2:02:17] >>chair, doug chaffee: well,

[2:02:21] it's strange, connecting a

[2:02:21] building with proficient

[2:02:22] contractors. That's almost like

[2:02:26] an advertisement for who is

[2:02:26] profession.

[2:02:27] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: well,

[2:02:28] I can understand why that would

[2:02:28] be a concern.

[2:02:29] >>chair, doug chaffee: yeah. I

[2:02:33] don't want to vote a contractor

[2:02:33] particularly.

[2:02:34] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: can

[2:02:35] we keep the provide technical

[2:02:37] assistance to private building

[2:02:37] owners.

[2:02:39] >>janet nguyen: MR. CHAIRMAN,

[2:02:40] can I say --

[2:02:41] >>chair, doug chaffee: well,

[2:02:41] let's --

[2:02:44] >>janet nguyen: it might help

[2:02:45] you to have not --

[2:02:48] >>chair, doug chaffee: okay.

[2:02:53] Well, let's -- there is a

[2:02:57] request now from removing two

[2:02:59] items, and I don't see any

[2:03:01] support for removing the one

[2:03:03] concerning the vehicle miles

[2:03:05] expiration. The first one,

[2:03:10] though, building

[2:03:10] decarbonization, I find that

[2:03:13] difficult myself. All right.

[2:03:14] Let's see if we can work through

[2:03:18] this. Supervisor -- vice-chair,

[2:03:19] any further comments?

[2:03:20] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I

[2:03:22] just would be open to hearing

[2:03:23] how you might want to change

[2:03:25] some of that because I think

[2:03:26] what I hear you saying is that

[2:03:29] you're concerned about the -- us

[2:03:32] advertising. So I get that, and

[2:03:35] that I can accept. But I guess

[2:03:37] my concern is that most of the

[2:03:40] rest of this is more sort of

[2:03:41] educational, helping people to

[2:03:44] find out what incentives are

[2:03:47] offered by other utilities,

[2:03:49] connecting residents, and

[2:03:53] private businesses to utility

[2:03:56] incentives. So if they have to

[2:03:57] do something different in their

[2:03:58] development or if they want to,

[2:04:02] for that matter. So that would

[2:04:05] be -- if we want to remove the

[2:04:07] language, explore opportunities

[2:04:09] to connect building owners with

[2:04:12] proficient contractors, would

[2:04:13] that satisfy your concerns?

[2:04:15] >>chair, doug chaffee: well, I

[2:04:16] think we're getting a little bit

[2:04:17] into the weeds here a little too

[2:04:18] much.

[2:04:19] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:

[2:04:19] okay.

[2:04:20] >>chair, doug chaffee: I think

[2:04:22] if you want to come back later

[2:04:24] with some rewording of this

[2:04:28] whole section, that's possible.

[2:04:29] It doesn't have to be the end of

[2:04:30] it today.

[2:04:32] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.

[2:04:35] >>chair, doug chaffee: but I

[2:04:37] found the whole thrust of it is

[2:04:38] leading to electrification when

[2:04:42] there are other economic

[2:04:44] opportunities that MAY need to

[2:04:47] be considered. So -- and I'm

[2:04:48] also going to try to find some

[2:04:52] grounds to get this done. And I

[2:04:55] find -- so, anyway...

[2:05:01] We have a motion that so far is

[2:05:05] just to add the section 4.

[2:05:07] There's a suggestion for a

[2:05:09] change from supervisor nguyen.

[2:05:12] I'm agreeable to that. I did

[2:05:14] not -- not to this mileage

[2:05:19] thing, but to the other part. I

[2:05:19] didn't hear an agreement from my

[2:05:20] second. So I don't know where

[2:05:23] we are. Right now we have a

[2:05:27] motion to simply add section 4

[2:05:28] PRESIDENT Been moved and

[2:05:31] seconded. That's where we're at

[2:05:40] at. I guess we'll call -- and I

[2:05:42] think we can address this other

[2:05:44] thing later maybe? I don't

[2:05:46] know. I'm troubled when I read

[2:05:49] through that thing that

[2:05:52] supervisor nguyen was pointing

[2:05:55] out as not a good idea.

[2:05:56] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'd

[2:05:57] be happy to work with you on

[2:05:59] some changes to the language if

[2:06:02] we could just get it passed

[2:06:03] today and then we could maybe

[2:06:06] bring it back, if that's

[2:06:06] agreeable.

[2:06:07] >>chair, doug chaffee: the

[2:06:08] alternative is simply to

[2:06:09] continue consideration of

[2:06:11] section 4 to the next meeting.

[2:06:13] Would that be agreeable?

[2:06:14] >>janet nguyen: I'll second

[2:06:14] that.

[2:06:15] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'd

[2:06:18] rather just condition this one

[2:06:20] page that is at issue if we're

[2:06:22] going to continue anything.

[2:06:24] >>chair, doug chaffee: so you'd

[2:06:25] be agreeable at this time for

[2:06:28] removing that item from --

[2:06:28] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:

[2:06:29] continuing this one item.

[2:06:33] >>chair, doug chaffee: okay. So

[2:06:36] that item c-e1 through 3 will

[2:06:38] not be part of section 4 that

[2:06:40] we're voting on now.

[2:06:41] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: yeah.

[2:06:42] And then we'll continue that to

[2:06:43] the next meeting.

[2:06:44] >>chair, doug chaffee: for

[2:06:45] further discussion all right.

[2:06:47] Got it. All right. Any

[2:06:49] objection to that motion?

[2:06:53] Clerk, please call the roll.

[2:06:58] >>clerk, robin stieler: chair

[2:06:59] chaffee.

[2:07:02] >>chair, doug chaffee: aye.

[2:07:04] >>clerk, robin stieler:

[2:07:06] supervisor foley.

[2:07:08] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:

[2:07:08] isle.

[2:07:10] >>clerk, robin stieler:

[2:07:12] supervisor nguyen.

[2:07:15] >>janet nguyen: abstain.

[2:07:15] >>clerk, robin stieler:

[2:07:17] supervisor sarmiento.

[2:07:17] >>vincente sarmiento: yes, but

[2:07:35] it's c hi e1, ce-.2, c dash e1.3

[2:07:36] e1.3.

[2:07:37] S.

[2:07:38] >>janet nguyen: MADAM Clerk, you

[2:07:46] can make mine no?.

[2:07:47] >>chair, doug chaffee: so no,

[2:07:50] three yeses and an abstention.

[2:07:52] >>clerk, robin stieler: two

[2:07:52] NOs.

[2:07:53] >>chair, doug chaffee: so

[2:07:58] section 4, absent the c-e.1, 2,

[2:08:00] and 3 are now part of the

[2:08:01] climate action plan and we'll

[2:08:02] come back and further discuss

[2:08:04] this and massage it a little bit

[2:08:05] and see if we can make more

[2:08:12] sense out of it.

[2:08:13] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

[2:08:15] you, MR. CHAIRMAN.

[2:08:16] >>chair, doug chaffee: all

[2:08:19] right. Now please go on to item

[2:08:20] 22.

[2:08:21] >>clerk, robin stieler: 22.

[2:08:21] Under county executive office-

[2:08:22] approve grant

[2:08:23] applications/awards submitted by

[2:08:23] health care agency, oc community

[2:08:24] resources and oc waste &

[2:08:27] recycling in 2/24/26 grant

[2:08:28] report and other actions as

[2:08:31] recommended; and adopt

[2:08:32] resolution authorizing oc waste

[2:08:32] & recycling director or designee

[2:08:33] to negotiate, execute

[2:08:34] agreements, related documents

[2:08:38] and amendments with california

[2:08:39] coastal commission for whale

[2:08:43] tail grants program ($50,000)

[2:08:44] And MR. Chair, we received one

[2:08:46] request to speak on agenda item

[2:08:46] 22.

[2:08:47] >>chair, doug chaffee: please

[2:08:50] call the speaker.

[2:09:02] >>clerk, robin stieler: donora.

[2:09:03] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[2:09:05] apparently not present.

[2:09:05] >>clerk, robin stieler: she's

[2:09:06] right here.

[2:09:07] >>chair, doug chaffee: come on

[2:09:10] over then. Please come to the

[2:09:19] podium.

[2:09:19] >>speaker: good morning,

[2:09:21] everyone. I guess you guys know

[2:09:23] who I am, and I want to speak on

[2:09:26] item 22, but I also -- since

[2:09:29] english is my second language, I

[2:09:31] want to stand a little bit that

[2:09:32] I'm very disappointed that you

[2:09:34] as federal government, who

[2:09:36] brought me here as a kid, I was

[2:09:39] 7 years old, supposed to be

[2:09:41] protected under federal statute

[2:09:43] because we were brought as

[2:09:44] refugee, not escape from cuba.

[2:09:46] Federal government brought us

[2:09:50] here. And I've worked 40-plus

[2:09:52] years and paid taxes to see

[2:09:55] illegal aliens taken over

[2:09:56] housing in orange county. I've

[2:09:59] never drink, done drugs, neither

[2:10:01] smoke. My family from florida

[2:10:02] is very disappointed including

[2:10:05] in cuba, so they're sending my

[2:10:06] alien number to washington D.C.

[2:10:09] To see what the heck went wrong

[2:10:16] here. I should not be in my

[2:10:19] cart, and illegal aliens have

[2:10:20] taken over housing. I've been

[2:10:24] coming to the board since 2019

[2:10:25] through the present, and a lot

[2:10:29] of great officers are friends of

[2:10:33] mine, including the chief

[2:10:35] barnes. And it's an

[2:10:36] embarrassment that you guys have

[2:10:38] not done to anything about it to

[2:10:39] tell the housing authority go

[2:10:42] ahead and give her an emergency

[2:10:45] voucher, run into church, taking

[2:10:45] shower.

[2:10:46] >>chair, doug chaffee: this has

[2:10:47] nothing to do with that.

[2:10:49] >>speaker: but I would like to

[2:10:50] make an appointment with you. I

[2:10:52] was told you are the chair.

[2:10:52] >>chair, doug chaffee: you can

[2:10:54] make an appointment through the

[2:10:55] appropriate channels. But this

[2:10:58] has nothing to do with that.

[2:11:00] >>speaker: thank you. Very

[2:11:02] stressed out. But on topping,

[2:11:08] no. 22, since you say community

[2:11:10] resource -- on topic...

[2:11:11] Maybe the resource community

[2:11:13] could focus on illegal immigrant

[2:11:17] when they making housing and not

[2:11:19] depriving me of housing

[2:11:20] assistant, hopefully I can make

[2:11:24] an I point with you, the chair,

[2:11:26] because charles has refused to

[2:11:29] make me an appointment with

[2:11:31] supervisor janet nguyen, and I

[2:11:32] was told that I have the right

[2:11:34] to make an appointment with the

[2:11:36] a supervisor because he have not

[2:11:40] done anything for me, just ask

[2:11:45] andrew do and chief crist.

[2:11:46] >>chair, doug chaffee: you need

[2:11:48] to address the item or sit down,

[2:11:49] please.

[2:11:50] >>speaker: thank you. This is

[2:11:52] the item that -- like I say,

[2:11:54] this is my first time being here

[2:11:57] since I was a kid, and I had to

[2:11:59] basically talk to you guys,

[2:12:02] legislative policymakers, to see

[2:12:04] why people that are illegal are

[2:12:05] take over housing in orange

[2:12:05] county.

[2:12:06] >>chair, doug chaffee: again,

[2:12:08] this item has nothing to do with

[2:12:08] that.

[2:12:10] >>speaker: so when it has

[2:12:11] something to do, can you explain

[2:12:13] this in english, is my second

[2:12:15] language, community resource.

[2:12:15] >>chair, doug chaffee: this has

[2:12:18] to do with grant applications.

[2:12:20] They're listed in the agenda.

[2:12:23] >>speaker: well, I pulled out my

[2:12:24] application for housing and

[2:12:25] nothing happened yet.

[2:12:26] >>chair, doug chaffee: that's

[2:12:27] not this. Your time is up.

[2:12:28] Thank you.

[2:12:29] >>speaker: thank you. Have a

[2:12:30] great day, and looking forward

[2:12:32] to making an appointment with

[2:12:32] you.

[2:12:34] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

[2:12:34] the item.

[2:12:35] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

[2:12:36] seconded. I would note there is

[2:12:38] grant money here possibly for

[2:12:40] prop 36 funding, something that

[2:12:43] the people voted in, and they --

[2:12:45] and sacramento seems to ignore.

[2:12:46] Here's a chance for some

[2:12:50] funding, and we do take that

[2:12:54] seriously. All right. It's

[2:12:56] included PRESIDENT Been

[2:12:59] approved. Item 23 has been

[2:13:03] deleted. So item 24, please.

[2:13:03] >>clerk, robin stieler: 24.

[2:13:04] Under county executive office,

[2:13:05] approve type 2 work order number

[2:13:06] ncy7-009 under contract

[2:13:07] ma-017-19010750 with science

[2:13:08] applications international

[2:13:10] corporation for managed services

[2:13:12] network, voice and security

[2:13:13] services to support firewall

[2:13:15] system migration for john wayne

[2:13:17] airport, 3/25/26-11/10/26

[2:13:18] ($225,200); and authorize county

[2:13:20] chief information officer or

[2:13:23] designee to execute work order.

[2:13:26] We have no requests to speak on

[2:13:26] agenda item 24.

[2:13:27] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

[2:13:28] all-district item.

[2:13:28] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

[2:13:29] the item.

[2:13:30] >>chair, doug chaffee: any

[2:13:32] objection? Item 24 is approved.

[2:13:32] 25, please.

[2:13:33] >>clerk, robin stieler: 25.

[2:13:34] Under county executive office,

[2:13:34] approve amendment 3 to renew

[2:13:35] contract ma-017-22011093 with

[2:13:37] southwest strategies, llc for

[2:13:39] spent fuel solutions management

[2:13:41] services at san onofre nuclear

[2:13:42] generating station, 3/22/26-

[2:13:43] 3/21/27 ($100,000; cumulative

[2:13:44] total $500,000); and authorize

[2:13:45] county procurement officer or

[2:13:47] deputized designee to execute amendment.

[2:13:49] We have no requests to speak on

[2:13:54] agenda item 25.

[2:13:55] >>chair, doug chaffee: is

[2:13:55] district 5.

[2:13:56] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

[2:13:59] the item.

[2:14:00] >>chair, doug chaffee: any

[2:14:02] objection? Item 25 is approved.

[2:14:05] 26, please.

[2:14:05] >>clerk, robin stieler: 26.

[2:14:06] Under county executive office,

[2:14:07] approve 2026 federal community

[2:14:09] project funding requests. And we

[2:14:11] have no requests to speak on

[2:14:12] agenda item 26.

[2:14:13] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

[2:14:14] all-district item.

[2:14:14] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

[2:14:15] the item.

[2:14:17] >>chair, doug chaffee: seeing no

[2:14:19] objection, item is approved.

[2:14:19] 27, please.

[2:14:20] >>clerk, robin stieler: 27.

[2:14:21] Under county executive office,

[2:14:22] approve amendment 3 to contract

[2:14:23] ma-017-22010907 with network

[2:14:24] television time inc. For board

[2:14:26] hearing room hardware, software

[2:14:27] and professional services, term

[2:14:28] ending 3/8/31 ($1,793,655;

[2:14:28] cumulative total $4,676,762);

[2:14:29] and authorize county

[2:14:30] procurement officer or deputized

[2:14:33] designee to execute amendment.

[2:14:35] And we have no if to speak on

[2:14:35] agenda item 27.

[2:14:36] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an

[2:14:38] all-district item.

[2:14:39] >>don wagner: move the item.

[2:14:41] >>chair, doug chaffee: I'll

[2:14:42] second it. Any objection?

[2:14:45] Motion carries. Item 28. We

[2:14:48] dealt with earlier. Now we come

[2:14:52] down to item 29.

[2:14:53] >>clerk, robin stieler: 29.

[2:14:54] Under registrar of voters-

[2:14:54] approve retroactive amendment 2

[2:14:55] to contract ma-031-24010973 with

[2:14:57] cathyjon enterprises, inc. Dba

[2:14:58] hb staffing for temporary help

[2:14:59] services, 1/31/25-1/30/26

[2:14:59] ($181,659; new total $500,000;

[2:15:00] cumulative total $1,081,659);

[2:15:01] and authorize county

[2:15:02] procurement officer or deputized

[2:15:03] designee to exercise cost

[2:15:04] contingency increase not to

[2:15:05] exceed 10% under certain

[2:15:07] conditions and execute contract.

[2:15:08] And we received one request to

[2:15:12] speak on agenda item 29.

[2:15:13] >>chair, doug chaffee: please

[2:15:14] call the speaker.

[2:15:16] >>clerk, robin stieler: paul

[2:15:23] hayek.

[2:15:30] >>speaker: I bet people -- my

[2:15:32] question is, with this company,

[2:15:34] are they gonna able to provide

[2:15:36] the extra help when we have our

[2:15:41] elections in JUNE and NOVEMBER

[2:15:42] to staff? The facilities that

[2:15:45] are needed. I'm very interested

[2:15:49] in being one of those temps.

[2:15:52] I'm a handicap.

[2:15:54] >>clerk, robin stieler: no

[2:15:55] further requests, MR. Chair.

[2:15:56] >>chair, doug chaffee: all

[2:15:57] right. This is an all-district

[2:15:58] item.

[2:15:58] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move

[2:15:59] the item.

[2:16:00] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

[2:16:02] second. Objection? Motion

[2:16:05] carries. Next item is item 30.

[2:16:06] >>clerk, robin stieler: 30.

[2:16:07] Under office of campaign finance

[2:16:08] and ethics commission-receive

[2:16:10] and file 2025 campaign finance

[2:16:15] and ethics commission's annual report.

[2:16:17] And MR. Chair, we see one

[2:16:20] request to speak on agenda item

[2:16:20] 30.

[2:16:21] >>chair, doug chaffee: please

[2:16:21] call the speaker.

[2:16:25] >>clerk, robin stieler: brian

[2:16:36] kay.

[2:16:40] >>speaker: happy day. So orange

[2:16:41] county does have a campaign

[2:16:45] ethics office. I've been to it.

[2:16:49] I've been to a few of the

[2:16:50] meetings, and it's somewhat of

[2:16:54] an embarrassment. It's a vacant

[2:16:56] building. There's no offices.

[2:17:00] There's just a couple of tables.

[2:17:02] They hold a meeting, which is

[2:17:04] more a get-together for the four

[2:17:09] or five board members. And poor

[2:17:10] donna hoard isn't allowed to

[2:17:11] actually communicate with the

[2:17:16] public. So while our beloved

[2:17:16] katrina foley sits there and

[2:17:18] says that she's paying attention

[2:17:19] to people and she wants to hear

[2:17:23] what the public has to say, poor

[2:17:24] donna hoard isn't capable of

[2:17:27] listening to the public, and

[2:17:30] then translating that to this

[2:17:33] board of supervisors. And it is

[2:17:36] a shame. It reminds me of james

[2:17:38] armanderis. I'm sure that vince

[2:17:41] remembers james. Do you not,

[2:17:42] sir? He was a great man on the

[2:17:44] human relations, and he met with

[2:17:46] the members of the public, and

[2:17:48] he communicated with members of

[2:17:49] the public. And then he

[2:17:53] communicated with members of the

[2:17:56] board. And provided that

[2:17:59] integral service of

[2:18:00] communication between the public

[2:18:03] and the board. And right now

[2:18:06] donna doesn't have that ability.

[2:18:07] She hasn't been given the

[2:18:10] resources. She doesn't have the

[2:18:13] office, and she's admitted to

[2:18:15] being given orders to just

[2:18:17] ignore the public and just keep

[2:18:21] doing what she's doing. So you

[2:18:22] would think that someone like

[2:18:25] katrina foley, dressed to the

[2:18:27] NINEs in that wonderful

[2:18:29] bright, loud suit that she's

[2:18:32] wearing today, matches the

[2:18:33] lipstick, she looks sharp -- you

[2:18:35] would think that she would want

[2:18:38] to make sure that that board was

[2:18:40] open to communication from the

[2:18:41] public and able to communicate

[2:18:45] with her. I mean, she's saying

[2:18:46] that she doesn't want to ignore

[2:18:48] people, yet, here she is

[2:18:50] ordering a county employee to

[2:18:55] ignore the public. So here I am

[2:18:58] standing up for a county

[2:19:00] employee, donna hoard, and even

[2:19:03] for katrina foley, once again,

[2:19:04] saying, katrina, this is what

[2:19:06] you want. This is what you

[2:19:07] believe in. This is the

[2:19:10] standard that you are holding

[2:19:12] out to the public as your own.

[2:19:14] And we're not here to do

[2:19:16] anything other than to help you,

[2:19:18] to advise you and to warn you

[2:19:19] that what you're doing is not

[2:19:23] what you say you're doing. And

[2:19:24] we're here giving you the

[2:19:26] opportunity to live up to those

[2:19:29] promises, live up to that bright

[2:19:30] suit that you're wearing today

[2:19:32] and follow the laws that you're

[2:19:35] bragging about doing. Happy day

[2:19:35] day.

[2:19:36] >>clerk, robin stieler: no

[2:19:38] further requests to speak,

[2:19:39] MR. Chair.

[2:19:39] >>chair, doug chaffee: all

[2:19:44] right. This is actually a --

[2:19:49] this is a "receive and file".

[2:19:51] Is there any discussion? Any

[2:19:53] objection to receiving and

[2:19:55] filing the report? The report

[2:19:58] shall be received and filed.

[2:20:02] All right. Now we come to item

[2:20:04] 31.

[2:20:05] >>clerk, robin stieler: 31.

[2:20:05] Under vice chair foley-

[2:20:06] consider second reading and

[2:20:07] adoption of "an ordinance of the

[2:20:07] county of orange, california,

[2:20:10] adding division 22 to title 3,

[2:20:12] sections 3-22-1 through 3-22-4,

[2:20:14] relating to the unlawful

[2:20:15] possession of catalytic

[2:20:16] converters, to the codified

[2:20:17] ordinances of the county of

[2:20:21] orange." we have no requests to

[2:20:25] speak on agenda item 31.

[2:20:28] >>chair, doug chaffee: this

[2:20:31] is -- it was continued before.

[2:20:33] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:

[2:20:33] MR. CHAIRMAN.

[2:20:34] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[2:20:34] vice-chair, it's your item.

[2:20:35] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

[2:20:38] you. I'll move this item. This

[2:20:39] ordinance, our second reading

[2:20:43] makes it unlawful in

[2:20:44] un-incorporated orange county to

[2:20:46] possess even one detached

[2:20:47] catalytic converter without

[2:20:49] proof of ownership. This close

[2:20:51] as loophole in state law which

[2:20:53] actually allows you to have nine

[2:20:56] or more detached catalytic

[2:20:56] converters without proof

[2:20:58] ownership. So the ordinance

[2:21:00] shifts the burden to the

[2:21:00] possessor, allows the

[2:21:02] presumption of unlawful

[2:21:04] possession and treats the

[2:21:06] converter -- each converter as a

[2:21:09] separate offense with civil

[2:21:10] penalties. Thank you to the

[2:21:10] sheriff's department and

[2:21:11] district attorney for their

[2:21:12] support of this ordinance. With

[2:21:14] that, I move the item.

[2:21:15] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

[2:21:16] second. Thank you for bringing

[2:21:18] this forward. There are no

[2:21:20] objections. The item is

[2:21:21] approved.

[2:21:21] >>vincente sarmiento: I was a no

[2:21:23] during the first reading but I

[2:21:25] will be a no on this one too.

[2:21:26] >>chair, doug chaffee: noting

[2:21:31] the "no" vote. And supplement

[2:21:33] 31a...

[2:21:34] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31a.

[2:21:34] Under health care agency-

[2:21:35] approve amendment 1 to renew

[2:21:36] master and individual contracts

[2:21:37] ma042-25010884 for adult peer

[2:21:38] support wellness and supported

[2:21:39] employment centers with

[2:21:41] college community services dba

[2:21:42] clarvida, central and south, and

[2:21:43] orange county association for

[2:21:44] mental health dba mental health

[2:21:45] association of orange county,

[2:21:46] west, 7/1/26-6/30/28

[2:21:47] (Aggregate total $8,200,000;

[2:21:47] cumulative aggregate total

[2:21:48] $12,300,000); renewable for one

[2:21:49] additional two-year term; and

[2:21:49] authorize county procurement

[2:21:50] officer or deputized designee to

[2:21:53] execute amendments. We have no

[2:21:56] requests to speak on s31a.

[2:21:57] >>chair, doug chaffee: is a

[2:21:59] district 1, 2, and 3 item. Any

[2:22:02] objection? Motion carries.

[2:22:03] Supplement 31b, please.

[2:22:04] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31b.

[2:22:05] Under supervisor sarmiento-

[2:22:06] orange county behavioral health

[2:22:08] advisory board-appoint cesilia

[2:22:10] vega-gonzalez, laguna hills, for

[2:22:15] ending 3/9/29. And we have no

[2:22:17] requests to speak on s31b.

[2:22:19] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[2:22:19] supervisor sarmiento.

[2:22:21] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:

[2:22:21] second.

[2:22:23] >>chair, doug chaffee: any

[2:22:24] objection? The point is made.

[2:22:25] Supplement 31c.

[2:22:26] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31c.

[2:22:27] Under supervisor sarmiento-

[2:22:29] animal care community outreach

[2:22:29] committee-appoint hollis

[2:22:30] lenore, fountain valley, for

[2:22:33] term ending 4/14/26. We have no

[2:22:36] requests to speak on s31c.

[2:22:36] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[2:22:39] supervisor sarmiento? Second.

[2:22:41] Any objection? There is none.

[2:22:44] Next we have a series of items

[2:22:46] being brought forward by the

[2:22:49] vice-chair. If we could combine

[2:22:51] d through m and also add q, r,

[2:22:53] and s, I believe that's all of

[2:22:55] them. And if the clerk would

[2:23:33] read those items.

[2:23:35] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31d.

[2:23:36] Under vice chair foley-approve

[2:23:38] allocation of $10,000 from fifth

[2:23:39] district discretionary funds to

[2:23:40] parkinson'

[2:23:41] s exercise program for

[2:23:45] you; make related findings under

[2:23:47] government code section 26227;

[2:23:48] authorize county executive

[2:23:49] officer or designee to negotiate

[2:23:50] and enter into agreement as

[2:23:52] necessary; and authorize

[2:23:53] auditor-controller or designee

[2:24:02] to make related payments.

[2:24:03] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31e.

[2:24:04] Under vice chair foley-approve

[2:24:05] allocation of $5,000 from fifth

[2:24:05] district discretionary funds to

[2:24:06] san clemente village; make

[2:24:07] related findings under

[2:24:08] government code section 26227;

[2:24:08] authorize county executive

[2:24:09] officer or designee to negotiate

[2:24:10] and enter into agreement as

[2:24:11] necessary; and authorize

[2:24:11] auditor-controller or designee

[2:24:13] to make related payments. Under

[2:24:14] vice chair foley-approve

[2:24:15] allocation of $5,000 from fifth

[2:24:15] district discretionary funds to

[2:24:16] families forward, inc.; make

[2:24:17] related findings under

[2:24:17] government code section 26227;

[2:24:18] authorize county executive

[2:24:18] officer or designee to negotiate

[2:24:19] and enter into agreement as

[2:24:20] necessary; and authorize

[2:24:21] auditor-controller or designee

[2:24:23] to make related payments. Under

[2:24:23] vice chair foley-approve

[2:24:24] allocation of $5,400 from fifth

[2:24:25] district discretionary funds to

[2:24:26] capistrano unified school

[2:24:26] district: marco forster middle

[2:24:27] school library; make related

[2:24:28] findings under government code

[2:24:28] section 26227; authorize county

[2:24:29] executive officer or designee to

[2:24:30] negotiate and enter into

[2:24:31] agreement as necessary; and

[2:24:31] authorize auditor-controller

[2:24:35] or designee to make related payments.

[2:24:35] under vice chair foley-approve

[2:24:36] allocation of $103,633 from

[2:24:37] fifth district discretionary

[2:24:38] funds to south orange county

[2:24:38] community theatre dba camino

[2:24:39] real playhouse; make related

[2:24:41] findings under government code

[2:24:42] section 26227; authorize county

[2:24:43] executive officer or designee to

[2:24:44] negotiate and enter into

[2:24:45] agreement as necessary; and

[2:24:45] authorize auditor-controller

[2:24:48] or designee to make related payments.

[2:24:50] And we have no requests to speak

[2:24:51] on any of these items.

[2:24:52] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll

[2:25:16] move the items as described.?

[2:25:17] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31n.

[2:25:17] Under supervisor wagner-

[2:25:18] approve sponsorship of various

[2:25:19] nonprofit entities from third

[2:25:20] district events funds; approve

[2:25:20] addition or revision of events

[2:25:21] to fy 2025-26 county events

[2:25:22] calendar; make related findings

[2:25:23] under government code section

[2:25:23] 26227; and authorize

[2:25:24] auditorcontroller to make

[2:25:28] related payments. The we have no

[2:25:29] requests to speak.

[2:25:30] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and

[2:25:33] seconded. Motion is approved.

[2:25:34] Supplement 31o.

[2:25:35] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31o.

[2:25:35] Under supervisor sarmiento-

[2:25:36] approve sponsorship of various

[2:25:37] nonprofit entities from second

[2:25:38] district events funds; approve

[2:25:39] addition or revision of events

[2:25:40] to fy 2025-26 county events

[2:25:41] calendar; make related findings

[2:25:43] under government code section

[2:25:44] 26227; and authorize

[2:25:44] auditor-controller to make

[2:25:50] related payments. And we have no

[2:25:53] requests to speak on s31o.

[2:25:54] >>chair, doug chaffee:

[2:25:56] supervisor sarmiento? Moved and

[2:25:58] seconded, any objections?

[2:26:00] Seeing none. Approved. Now we

[2:26:02] come to supplement 31p.

[2:26:03] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31p.

[2:26:04] Under chair chaffee-approve

[2:26:04] sponsorship of nonprofit

[2:26:05] ethiopian-american generational

[2:26:06] bridge organization from fourth

[2:26:07] district events funds; approve

[2:26:08] addition or revision of events

[2:26:08] to fy 2025-26 county events

[2:26:12] calendar; make related findings

[2:26:14] under government code section

[2:26:15] 26227; and authorize

[2:26:17] auditor-controller to make

[2:26:21] related payments. And MR. Chair,

[2:26:23] we have received one request to

[2:26:25] speak on s31p.

[2:26:28] >>chair, doug chaffee: please

[2:26:28] call speaker.

[2:26:46] >>clerk, robin stieler: donora.

[2:26:47] >>speaker: a lot of problems in

[2:26:49] the government. Thank GOD I'm

[2:26:52] still here. What was that

[2:26:56] again? That number, please?

[2:26:58] >>clerk, robin stieler: 31p.

[2:27:00] >>speaker: now, I trust the

[2:27:01] chair, MR. Chaffee, you can

[2:27:07] explain it to me that again,

[2:27:09] that way I can translate into

[2:27:11] spanish and english and then I

[2:27:13] can be respond. Thank you.

[2:27:14] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: this

[2:27:17] item relates to support for

[2:27:19] ethiopian american generational

[2:27:19] bridge organization.

[2:27:20] >>chair, doug chaffee: do you

[2:27:23] want to speak on that.

[2:27:25] >>speaker: well, I'm from cuba,

[2:27:28] not ethiopia. So I pass, but I

[2:27:29] would like to make an

[2:27:30] appointment with the chair.

[2:27:31] >>chair, doug chaffee: that's

[2:27:32] not part of this item. So.

[2:27:33] >>speaker: thank you.

[2:27:36] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank you

[2:27:39] you. Second. Any objection?

[2:27:45] Motion carries. Now we come to

[2:27:52] supplement 31t.

[2:27:53] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31t.

[2:27:54] Under supervisor sarmiento-

[2:27:54] approve use of $75,000 from

[2:27:55] second district, budget control

[2:27:56] 007 to first five orange county

[2:27:56] for childcare business incubator

[2:27:57] program; make related findings

[2:27:58] under government code section

[2:27:58] 26227; authorize county

[2:27:59] executive officer or designee to

[2:28:00] negotiate and enter into

[2:28:00] agreement as necessary; and

[2:28:01] authorize auditor-controller or

[2:28:08] designee to make related payments.

[2:28:12] And we have no if to speak on

[2:28:15] s31t.

[2:28:17] >>chair, doug chaffee: any

[2:28:18] objection? Motion carries. We

[2:28:20] come to item 32, which is a

[2:28:24] public hearing.

[2:28:25] >>clerk, robin stieler: 32.

[2:28:25] Under county executive office-

[2:28:26] public hearing to consider

[2:28:27] adopting resolutions of

[2:28:28] necessity acquiring by eminent

[2:28:28] domain easements for silverado

[2:28:29] canyon road bridge replacement

[2:28:30] project; authorizing county

[2:28:32] counsel to retain outside

[2:28:34] eminent domain counsel bdg law

[2:28:36] group inc. And initiate

[2:28:37] condemnation proceedings; and

[2:28:38] directing and authorizing

[2:28:39] auditorcontroller to encumber

[2:28:40] and transfer compensation under

[2:28:41] certain conditions and making

[2:28:45] related findings. This item

[2:28:49] does require a 2/3 vote of the

[2:28:51] monopoly.

[2:28:53] >>chair, doug chaffee: let me --

[2:28:55] vote of the membership.

[2:28:56] >>chair, doug chaffee: all

[2:28:57] right, do we have any members

[2:28:58] who wish to speak.

[2:29:01] >>clerk, robin stieler: no.

[2:29:01] >>chair, doug chaffee: I'll

[2:29:02] bring it back to the board for

[2:29:04] consideration. This is a

[2:29:08] district 3 item. Moved and

[2:29:11] second. Any objection? We have

[2:29:14] a unanimous vote, so the item is

[2:29:17] approved. Now we could come at

[2:29:20] this point to closed sessions.

[2:29:22] was that -- would you like to do

[2:29:24] that or -- do public comments?

[2:29:26] All right. MADAM Clerk, how

[2:29:27] many public comments do we

[2:29:27] have.

[2:29:30] >>clerk, robin stieler: nine.

[2:29:33] >>chair, doug chaffee: nine. I

[2:29:37] thought I heard "none." that

[2:29:39] sounded intriguing, but it's

[2:29:45] "nine." okay. Would you like

[2:29:46] to do board comments before

[2:29:49] closed sessions? We can do

[2:29:50] that. Let's get to public

[2:29:51] comments, and then we'll follow

[2:29:53] with that, okay. Please call

[2:29:55] the speakers.

[2:29:55] >>clerk, robin stieler: I'll

[2:29:57] call three names at a time.

[2:29:58] Please line up at the center of

[2:30:00] the room when your name is

[2:30:02] called behind the podium, steve

[2:30:05] rocco, paul hayek and greg

[2:30:19] arrowsmith..

[2:30:21] >>speaker: if you see something,

[2:30:23] say something. If you see

[2:30:25] something, say something. That

[2:30:27] was a calling cry at last

[2:30:28] meeting that I spoke out on

[2:30:30] JANUARY the 27th. Well, I did

[2:30:33] say something. And I talked

[2:30:35] about the home inveighs of my

[2:30:39] home. And at the same time, my

[2:30:41] home was being invaded. How

[2:30:43] about that? And by pretty much

[2:30:47] the same people. Let's see, my

[2:30:53] grass is too high, I got bugs.

[2:30:55] Plus, I owe the city over

[2:30:57] $16,000 for a water bill. What

[2:30:59] does that sound like to you? It

[2:31:01] sounds like persecution,

[2:31:02] prosecution. Sounds like

[2:31:03] special prosecution. Sounds

[2:31:07] like a special project. You

[2:31:10] went to the fbi to get rid of

[2:31:12] do. Why aren't you going to the

[2:31:15] fbi to get rid of spitzer?

[2:31:16] ,

[2:31:20] who's a sexual pervert. Prove

[2:31:23] it. Hates christians. Hates

[2:31:25] christians. Pulled a gun on

[2:31:27] one. And yet that's okay with

[2:31:29] you. Because criminal

[2:31:32] politicians are okay with ooh

[2:31:34] guys. You know, over the united

[2:31:37] states supreme court in

[2:31:39] washington D.C. There's a sign

[2:31:41] which says "equal justice under

[2:31:43] the law." this does not mean

[2:31:45] equality in all things. It

[2:31:47] doesn't mean you can go to the

[2:31:48] same bathroom as me if you're

[2:31:52] not the same gender. It means

[2:31:53] equality under the law. You

[2:31:58] have the same political rights.

[2:31:59] Political rights is something

[2:32:04] else, okay. Diversity and

[2:32:08] equality are not the same thing.

[2:32:10] Diversity gives an empire.

[2:32:12] Washington D.C. Was built to

[2:32:18] look like rome. Marvel --

[2:32:22] marble, columns, and the whole

[2:32:27] shebang. And equality means

[2:32:33] sameness. Similarity.. Nation

[2:32:35] and empire are not the same

[2:32:36] thing. Uncle sam loves

[2:32:38] diversity because you're not

[2:32:40] going to be a majority. And the

[2:32:41] government will tell you what to

[2:32:44] do, not vice-versa. You can't

[2:32:46] have it both ways. You can't

[2:32:50] have it both ways. They are

[2:32:51] contradicter to. It's

[2:32:55] either/or. Uncle sam's

[2:32:57] diversity or sameness, a nation,

[2:33:00] a real nation. And you know

[2:33:01] what, it's people like me who

[2:33:03] are being discriminated against

[2:33:06] today. White christian males,

[2:33:08] number one on the list.

[2:33:09] Equality, take a look at the

[2:33:11] sports. I couldn't find a white

[2:33:14] face there for the entire last

[2:33:26] week.S.

[2:33:27] >>speaker: good afternoon. Good

[2:33:30] morning, I mean. We need to

[2:33:33] make sure these new operators

[2:33:40] for these shelters are make them

[2:33:43] wear they're -- where they are

[2:33:46] walk in/walk out. Why don't we

[2:33:47] hire those that have the trades

[2:33:49] to help run the place? Because

[2:33:52] they'd be glad to help run it

[2:33:56] and make minimum wage. Let's

[2:34:00] see them turn this place around.

[2:34:04] Remember, back in '17 I was

[2:34:06] advocating for the homeless

[2:34:08] shelter in anaheim. I was there

[2:34:10] when they dedicated it. I was

[2:34:12] there for eight months, and

[2:34:16] mercy house has to go. And the

[2:34:18] one in santa ana is being run by

[2:34:20] a foreign company. They're not

[2:34:25] even a U.S.. And mercy house is

[2:34:28] run by a hawaiian with hawaiian

[2:34:32] security.

[2:34:33] >>clerk, robin stieler: the next

[2:34:39] three superiors are donora, l

[2:34:43] uci daniel and nicole nguyen.

[2:34:44] >>speaker: presentation z mailed

[2:34:46] to the usdoj, california brown

[2:34:49] act of 1953, forcing local

[2:34:50] government agencies to be

[2:34:52] transparent with the tax paying

[2:34:53] citizens. Had an introduction

[2:34:56] meeting with sheriff chad dee

[2:34:57] bianco, government candidate and

[2:34:58] michael gates, attorney general

[2:35:00] candidate at the elks lodge in

[2:35:02] santa ana last tuesday night.

[2:35:05] They were both real, genuine and

[2:35:06] approachable guys that have the

[2:35:06] resume

[2:35:07] and experience to make

[2:35:08] california golden again. They

[2:35:09] are eager to put their words

[2:35:10] into action for the best

[2:35:12] interest of californians.

[2:35:15] Focus, offender recidivism and

[2:35:16] re-entry in the united states,

[2:35:22] crime in america net leonard

[2:35:25] adam signs junior 2026, U.S.

[2:35:26] Department of justice bureau of

[2:35:28] justice statistics 68% of

[2:35:30] prisoners were released with a

[2:35:33] new arrest within three years

[2:35:39] and 77% in five years.

[2:35:40] California correctional

[2:35:40] facilities issues from colleges

[2:35:44] of law.Edu, overcrowding and

[2:35:46] inadequate handling of

[2:35:47] complaints and violence within

[2:35:49] the system. California

[2:35:50] correctional facilities remain

[2:35:52] over capacity which affects

[2:35:53] safety and rehabilitation

[2:35:55] efforts. Overcrowding leads to

[2:35:57] increased violence and undermine

[2:35:59] security measures. Problem,

[2:36:00] there are three hours of actual

[2:36:02] work assignments and or

[2:36:04] educational programs that an

[2:36:05] inmate will accomplish in a

[2:36:06] 15-hour day, according to the

[2:36:08] typical daily schedule for

[2:36:09] inmates in the california

[2:36:10] correctional facilities. In

[2:36:14] other words, the typical daily

[2:36:15] schedule focuses more on a day

[2:36:17] camp schedule for criminal

[2:36:18] versus a work schedule to

[2:36:20] prepare him or her to be

[2:36:21] productive tax paying citizens

[2:36:23] in society. The overcrowding

[2:36:25] and violence in these facilities

[2:36:26] makes sense due to these inmates

[2:36:29] have too much time on their

[2:36:31] hands for shenanigans. It

[2:36:33] appears that the offenders'

[2:36:35] behavior will accept returning

[2:36:36] back to a correctional facility

[2:36:37] knowing that he or she has a

[2:36:39] criminal day camp waiting for

[2:36:41] him or her. Solution, as a tax

[2:36:42] paying citizens I'd like to have

[2:36:44] the opportunity to revise a

[2:36:45] typical daily schedule for

[2:36:46] inmates. These inmates,

[2:36:48] prisons, jails, juvenile

[2:36:49] detentions should be working

[2:36:51] eight hours a day for five days

[2:36:52] a week. They will be allowed to

[2:36:54] have a daily 30-minute lunch and

[2:36:57] two 15-minute breaks to be

[2:36:58] complying with california labor

[2:37:00] laws. The inmates will execute

[2:37:03] a self development and

[2:37:04] educational class during day 6

[2:37:06] and 7 and after work. The goal

[2:37:08] is to have the california

[2:37:09] correctional facilities execute

[2:37:11] a curriculum that will motivate

[2:37:12] the inmates to not want to go

[2:37:15] back to a correctional facility

[2:37:17] ever again in a lifetime.

[2:37:18] Temporary housing, dorms,

[2:37:19] continued education and job

[2:37:21] placement during the inmate

[2:37:23] release program is crucial to

[2:37:24] get him or her heading towards

[2:37:30] the right direction for success.

[2:37:31] >>chair, doug chaffee: MAY we

[2:37:37] have the next speaker, please.

[2:37:38] >>speaker: thank you, again.

[2:37:40] Just want to say I still have

[2:37:45] love for all you guys being a

[2:37:50] christian pentecostal parent and

[2:37:52] pastor be pentecostal and my

[2:37:54] father was an architect. We

[2:37:56] went to church seven days a week

[2:37:59] to keep us focused from the

[2:38:03] communists. I got sick from a

[2:38:04] hearing, then it was government.

[2:38:09] Not america. It was depraved

[2:38:10] house, discriminated and I have

[2:38:12] my alien number. This number

[2:38:14] congress will now that they

[2:38:15] brought me from cuba, supposed

[2:38:17] to be protected under federal

[2:38:23] statute and still today. So the

[2:38:27] government has -- I'm praying

[2:38:28] that they focus on illegal

[2:38:31] immigrant U.S. Citizens that

[2:38:32] work and pay taxes. Many

[2:38:34] people, you see it in the media,

[2:38:36] they are not legal. They are

[2:38:38] aggressive against police

[2:38:39] officer and I.C.E., and I'm

[2:38:41] crying what the heck went wrong

[2:38:43] in orange county that we grew up

[2:38:46] in orange county, went to orange

[2:38:49] high school where america taught

[2:38:50] us how to speak english. There

[2:38:53] was no one from mexico, with all

[2:38:54] due respect, running orange

[2:38:58] county back in 1969. So I'm

[2:39:02] requesting our origin -- an

[2:39:05] urgent appointment with the

[2:39:07] chair doug chaffee as soon as

[2:39:10] possible and, again, the chief

[2:39:12] janet nguyen refuse to make me

[2:39:13] an appointment. And you guys

[2:39:15] have seen me since 2018 and 19.

[2:39:18] And thank GOD I'm a great human

[2:39:19] being to guiding other people

[2:39:20] that are still standing. So

[2:39:23] please it's urgent an

[2:39:25] appointment with doug chaffee be

[2:39:26] blessed in hoping to make

[2:39:28] america great for all of us. If

[2:39:30] you don't fix it, this will

[2:39:36] never be the united states of

[2:39:37] america anymore. My parents are

[2:39:37] in heaven. They are the reason

[2:39:39] why we are here, they prepare

[2:39:42] possible under kennedy. We

[2:39:46] waited, and thank GOD we here.

[2:39:47] But this is not the country that

[2:39:47] we grow up. But we still have

[2:39:51] love for you guys. You.

[2:39:51] >>chair, doug chaffee: the next

[2:39:53] speaker, please.

[2:39:55] >>clerk, robin stieler: l uci

[2:40:00] daniel and nicole nguyen.

[2:40:02] >>speaker: hello. I'm here to

[2:40:05] explain that I am a home care

[2:40:08] provider with ihss for 14 years.

[2:40:12] I take care of my mom for 14

[2:40:13] years, and I do everything for

[2:40:15] her. She cannot live by

[2:40:18] herself. She's 92. And her

[2:40:20] mind strong, but she is very

[2:40:25] weak for her age. And she needs

[2:40:25] help with everything. I cook

[2:40:29] for her. I clean. I bathe her,

[2:40:31] I MAY being sure she takes her

[2:40:34] medication. I take her to the

[2:40:36] doctor's, sometimes I take her

[2:40:38] out to the store. That's what

[2:40:41] she likes to do mostly, to go

[2:40:42] shopping. And I'm just

[2:40:47] explaining that because we don't

[2:40:49] get paid very much, but it helps

[2:40:51] us to stay with the people we

[2:40:54] take care of. Like it helps me

[2:40:56] to stay home with my mom because

[2:41:00] of the ihss program because I

[2:41:03] can be -- I'm a certified

[2:41:05] paralegal. I could have a job

[2:41:07] like I used to work with the

[2:41:08] lawyers, and making a lot more

[2:41:11] money. But I chose this because

[2:41:14] I love my mom, and I have to

[2:41:16] take care of her, or -- I don't

[2:41:18] want to put her in a nursing

[2:41:19] home because she gets very

[2:41:21] depressed when she thinks about

[2:41:22] what if she goes to a nursing

[2:41:25] home. And that's not a good

[2:41:28] thing for her, but she's healthy

[2:41:31] and her mind is strong because

[2:41:33] of my care. And I just want to

[2:41:35] make sure that we try to keep

[2:41:41] the ihss program for the

[2:41:42] disabled and the elderly.

[2:41:44] They're better off at home than

[2:41:47] a nurse home. That's all I'm

[2:41:49] saying. And when my mom's had

[2:41:52] to go for therapy to a nursing

[2:41:54] home, she just cried almost

[2:41:56] every day. She was so

[2:41:58] depressed. It's better if they

[2:42:00] stay home. So thank you for

[2:42:04] your time.

[2:42:07] >>clerk, robin stieler: after

[2:42:08] nicole, the last three speakers

[2:42:10] are katherine louie, andrew and

[2:42:11] brian kay.

[2:42:13] >>speaker: good morning, board.

[2:42:17] I am nicole nguyen, and I'm an

[2:42:20] ihss provider. I live -- I have

[2:42:21] been a provider for five years.

[2:42:25] I care for my cousin, my first

[2:42:29] cousin. I'm a resident of santa

[2:42:31] ana and district 2. What I do

[2:42:35] for my cousin -- and what I care

[2:42:39] for my cousin, I MAY being sure

[2:42:41] that she take her medication on

[2:42:43] time and make sure she has her

[2:42:46] refill medication on time too.

[2:42:50] She is 83 years old. She's not

[2:42:52] healthy, not physically and not

[2:42:53] mentally. I care for her. I

[2:42:58] MAY being sure she can eat. She

[2:43:02] cannot eat likely, she can have

[2:43:05] proper food, and I gotta help

[2:43:06] her in and out of my car for

[2:43:07] doctors, pharmacist or anywhere

[2:43:09] she want to go. My work, my

[2:43:12] helping her is very important,

[2:43:16] that allow her to stay home and

[2:43:23] be comfortable with respect. I

[2:43:23] really appreciate the ihss

[2:43:27] program to allow me to take care

[2:43:43] of my cousin. And

[2:43:46] >>speaker: I'd like to provide a

[2:43:50] little help. My name is

[2:43:51] katherine louie. I'm a proud

[2:43:55] member of udw. And I'm an ihss

[2:43:57] provider. I live in the city of

[2:43:59] cota decause sarc I've been a

[2:44:00] provider for 17 years, and I

[2:44:02] take care of my beautiful boy,

[2:44:08] as you can see. He is 19 years

[2:44:10] old -- he is 19 years old, and

[2:44:12] I've cared for him since the day

[2:44:13] he was born. I just like to

[2:44:14] share a little bit about my

[2:44:18] story with you. I worked prior

[2:44:20] in the corporate world for many

[2:44:22] years doing everything --

[2:44:24] complete op assistant medical.

[2:44:25] I never did anything like that.

[2:44:27] My son was born with profound

[2:44:29] needs requiring 24 hours care.

[2:44:33] I knew nothing about this, so I

[2:44:34] relied on the doctors and nurses

[2:44:35] and therapists and everyone else

[2:44:38] to tell me what to do and how to

[2:44:40] take care of my son. I has

[2:44:43] profound needs, like I said,

[2:44:45] requiring 24 hours care. He is

[2:44:47] blind. He's non-verbal. He is

[2:44:51] fed through a tube. I take care

[2:44:54] of all of his living activities

[2:44:56] that he does. And as time went

[2:44:58] on, I started questioning

[2:45:00] things. And this program has

[2:45:03] allowed me to -- was able to

[2:45:06] allow me to stay home with him,

[2:45:08] to do research, to find out what

[2:45:10] I can better do. So the first

[2:45:12] thing is -- one of the things is

[2:45:15] my son -- they told me when he

[2:45:17] was very young and he was in the

[2:45:18] hospital for all of the time for

[2:45:20] the first three years of his

[2:45:22] life, that's all I did, was in

[2:45:23] the hospital. He has a seizure

[2:45:25] disorder. And he was on

[2:45:28] multiple medications for that.

[2:45:30] they just don't work, so they

[2:45:31] would add another one, another

[2:45:33] one. So I was okay with that.

[2:45:36] He was fed through ag tube.

[2:45:39] Every time offer stopped nursing

[2:45:43] him, he would -- he had to

[2:45:45] receive nutrition, medical-grade

[2:45:47] nutrition. Every time I put it,

[2:45:49] in he would throw it up. So one

[2:45:52] day decided to start feeding him

[2:45:54] with homemade food. I just

[2:45:55] decided why don't I blend

[2:45:57] something and put it. Heaven's

[2:45:58] forbid, he started eating, he

[2:46:01] was able to keep it down. Real

[2:46:03] food kept it down. Then I said

[2:46:04] why do you want me to keep

[2:46:07] adding more seizure meds. They

[2:46:08] don't work. I researched

[2:46:11] alternative medications, seizure

[2:46:13] medications. And they started

[2:46:14] working. So I started taking

[2:46:16] them away. And most of these

[2:46:19] doctors you all know. Thomas is

[2:46:23] a child of choc hospital and you

[2:46:24] will of a the specialty there is

[2:46:27] and they do great with him, but

[2:46:29] he has thrived because I have

[2:46:31] been allowed to stay home and

[2:46:33] take care of him. They told me

[2:46:34] he would never walk. After he

[2:46:36] stopped throwing up and having

[2:46:38] seizures, guess what, he walked.

[2:46:39] We walked into the doctors, and

[2:46:41] I would think they would run

[2:46:42] down the hall going, oh, my GOD,

[2:46:44] what did you do. He's in a much

[2:46:45] better way because of this

[2:46:47] program, and I'd like you to

[2:46:49] consider doing what you can to

[2:46:51] keep this program to allow

[2:46:52] people to take care of their

[2:46:52] loved ones.

[2:46:55] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank you

[2:46:56] you.

[2:46:58] >>clerk, robin stieler: andrew

[2:47:08] and brian kay.

[2:47:12] >>speaker: hello. I'm andrew,

[2:47:16] as you know. I just want to say

[2:47:18] I was here at beginning, and

[2:47:20] man, I give you guys props for

[2:47:22] what you guys do. It can be

[2:47:24] pretty intense. This is my

[2:47:27] first public meeting. So I am

[2:47:33] not as experienced as many of

[2:47:35] you in this. So it is my first.

[2:47:39] I'll do my best. I just have

[2:47:40] three topics that I want to

[2:47:46] start with. First off, one of

[2:47:49] the gentleman before me had

[2:47:55] mentioned shelters. There's a

[2:47:58] few agenda ago. I just want to

[2:47:59] go off of that because a lot of

[2:48:01] times nonprofit organization try

[2:48:02] to do their best to get their

[2:48:05] grants, right, and make sure

[2:48:07] that the community and everybody

[2:48:08] within the community is able to

[2:48:18] help set these places up.

[2:48:19] What's point if you don't even

[2:48:21] know what you're putting your

[2:48:23] money into let alone at least go

[2:48:24] and see it for yourself, right.

[2:48:26] I know that if I'm going to go

[2:48:28] to a donation center or

[2:48:29] somewhere, I walk around and

[2:48:31] view it and look at it, and then

[2:48:34] I put my money down, and go,

[2:48:35] hey, this program is helping

[2:48:36] kids, right. Many of the

[2:48:38] programs that I've been to

[2:48:40] personally experiencing

[2:48:43] homelessness and going to

[2:48:45] shelters, they do a thing with

[2:48:48] favoritism, and it's very, very

[2:48:48] sad because if somebody is not

[2:48:51] to your liking or they don't

[2:48:52] like your attitude or they don't

[2:48:55] like something about you,

[2:48:57] basically you're screwed, and

[2:48:59] it's back to the streets. And I

[2:49:00] don't know if you guys are aware

[2:49:02] of this, but a lot of these

[2:49:03] shelter and a lot of these

[2:49:05] places had a really long waiting

[2:49:08] list just to get in, so it's

[2:49:13] very sad on seeing that. And so

[2:49:18] even the ones that are

[2:49:20] non-shelters such as orangewood

[2:49:22] donation foundation in santa

[2:49:26] ana, they do good work, but,

[2:49:28] again, it's a lot of favoritism,

[2:49:30] and it's very, very sad. And we

[2:49:32] need to seriously do something

[2:49:34] about this, you guys. It's very

[2:49:35] serious. We're not here to put

[2:49:38] money in and go in a work place

[2:49:41] and take every little thing that

[2:49:45] we see as personal aspect,

[2:49:47] because when you're in a

[2:49:48] workplace, it requires and

[2:49:50] involves professionalism. Not

[2:49:53] how you feel, not how much of a

[2:49:54] bad day you had at home. Please

[2:49:56] don't bring what you have at

[2:49:58] home into your workspace,

[2:50:00] especially as shelters when

[2:50:01] we're trying to help people not

[2:50:04] break them back down and push

[2:50:04] them back in the streets. All

[2:50:07] right. Thank you guys.

[2:50:09] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank

[2:50:09] you.

[2:50:12] >>clerk, robin stieler: brian

[2:50:24] kay.

[2:50:31] >>speaker: happy day. Earlier

[2:50:32] in the meeting katrina foley

[2:50:33] realized that she had made a

[2:50:36] mistake, and she wanted to go

[2:50:38] back and correct her mistake.

[2:50:41] And recast her vote. That's

[2:50:42] basically the first amendment

[2:50:47] right there. You redress the

[2:50:48] grievance. So you would think

[2:50:50] that in the criminal case she'd

[2:50:52] look at it and go, hey, brian

[2:50:54] cark doesn't know where I live,

[2:50:56] so even if I think he really

[2:50:56] threatened me, it doesn't rise

[2:50:59] to the level of a crime. You'd

[2:51:01] that I she'd be able to ask

[2:51:04] vincent sarmiento, a defense

[2:51:07] attorney, if that was the truth,

[2:51:08] and that vince would be able to

[2:51:10] stand up for the truth. You

[2:51:11] don't have to stand up for me,

[2:51:15] vince. You can hate me all the

[2:51:15] want but I think that you would

[2:51:22] stand up for the constitution

[2:51:24] and the raw and that you would

[2:51:26] help katrina foley not be

[2:51:30] afraid. It's amazing, narsisco

[2:51:31] ber rang oh, the gentleman who

[2:51:33] fathered three children who were

[2:51:35] marine veterans, you went to

[2:51:39] court to get him -- get that

[2:51:41] whole matter resolved. There's

[2:51:42] a picture of you in the paper

[2:51:43] walking out the courthouse right

[2:51:46] there next to him. You

[2:51:50] supported him. You endorsed

[2:51:53] him. You worked to help get him

[2:51:54] free. And it's a shame because

[2:51:58] we have families right here to

[2:51:59] petition you to not be forced

[2:52:02] into family court without having

[2:52:04] their petitions addressed.

[2:52:07] Please realize you had to --

[2:52:09] their petitions redressed.

[2:52:11] Please realize you had to stand

[2:52:12] over julie, you had to step over

[2:52:15] me, who's filed a petition to

[2:52:19] help narsisco. I'm not saying

[2:52:20] it's bad. As a matter of fact,

[2:52:22] thank you for helping him, but

[2:52:23] realize that you had to walk

[2:52:26] over, you had to tread over your

[2:52:28] own constituents.

[2:52:31] You know, you're all complaining

[2:52:31] about I.C.E.. You're doing the

[2:52:33] same thing as I.C.E. You have

[2:52:36] police who are undertrained,

[2:52:37] overviolent, committing crimes

[2:52:40] against the people. You ignore

[2:52:42] the petitions from the people,

[2:52:44] and then you allow the police to

[2:52:45] do what they've done. Vince,

[2:52:49] could you help me with my issue.

[2:52:53] You have chosen not to. And

[2:52:55] lastly, honorable spitzer, he

[2:52:58] lost a second lawsuit. There's

[2:53:00] about eight more. And the

[2:53:02] really sad thing is that all of

[2:53:03] you are implicated. You know,

[2:53:05] probably the saddest one is,

[2:53:07] again, katrina foley, who has a

[2:53:09] law firm dedicated to protecting

[2:53:11] employees from abusive employers

[2:53:14] was found to be an abusive

[2:53:15] employer. And rather than

[2:53:18] stopping this abusive behavior,

[2:53:20] she's gonna do it eight more

[2:53:22] times. I wish better for you.

[2:53:25] Happy day.

[2:53:25] >>clerk, robin stieler: no

[2:53:27] further requests to speak,

[2:53:28] MR. Chair.

[2:53:28] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank

[2:53:30] you. Now we'll go to board

[2:53:32] comments. Would any board

[2:53:34] member like to speak?

[2:53:34] Supervisor nguyen.

[2:53:35] >>janet nguyen: thank you. I

[2:53:36] have a few items to make

[2:53:42] comments on. One, I wanted to,

[2:53:44] again, thank you, the ceo and

[2:53:51] also doug from oc care, who

[2:53:51] attended our hud senior

[2:53:53] officials meeting last week.

[2:53:55] This came about because of my

[2:53:58] trip to washington D.C. And, you

[2:54:00] know, it's -- we were inquiring

[2:54:01] about receiving additional

[2:54:04] funding for our homeless efforts

[2:54:06] and, so last week they came out,

[2:54:08] they originally were actually

[2:54:10] just going to stop by L.A. And

[2:54:12] san diego, but because of our

[2:54:15] trip to D.C., they stopped by

[2:54:18] orange county. I don't remember

[2:54:20] the last time hud actually came

[2:54:21] to orange county, at least not

[2:54:23] at the time that I remembered,

[2:54:26] my first two terms on this

[2:54:27] board. And since I've been

[2:54:30] back. So it actually was very

[2:54:30] exciting that we were able to

[2:54:31] get home to orange county to

[2:54:35] visit us. We toured the oc

[2:54:38] rescue mission, homeless shelter

[2:54:40] in tustin. It is a private

[2:54:41] state of the art facility with a

[2:54:44] high successive rate of

[2:54:47] rehabilitation. Hud was very

[2:54:49] impressed what they saw and, you

[2:54:51] know, what I gather and -- is

[2:54:53] that they highly encourage us to

[2:54:55] apply for the funding that's

[2:54:58] coming up with the nofa, that's

[2:55:00] coming up. You know, they're

[2:55:02] refocusing on homeless policy on

[2:55:04] treatment, recovery, and

[2:55:06] self-sufficiency. And so it's

[2:55:07] actually, you know, exciting,

[2:55:09] and I really appreciate your

[2:55:10] comments at the meeting,

[2:55:12] MR. CHAIRMAN, and sharing your

[2:55:14] prevention solutions. I think

[2:55:16] they -- their eyes were really

[2:55:17] wide open when they heard about

[2:55:18] it and couldn't believe that,

[2:55:22] you know, such a program exists.

[2:55:23] And, you know, the ceo

[2:55:26] mentioned about the encampment

[2:55:29] of, you know, from -- in 2018,

[2:55:33] the clearing of the encampment,

[2:55:34] whether it's the santa ana river

[2:55:36] trail or the plaza of the flags

[2:55:39] and how the county has helped

[2:55:40] assist hundreds of individuals.

[2:55:42] And so we'll continue to

[2:55:43] communicate with hud and, you

[2:55:44] know, I want to continue to

[2:55:46] offer that orange county can be

[2:55:48] a statewide leader in solving

[2:55:50] the homeless crisis unlike other

[2:55:52] counties. And they did mention

[2:55:54] that the nofa coming up will be

[2:55:56] very competitive. It's not

[2:55:57] gonna be, you know, just because

[2:55:58] you received it in the past you

[2:56:00] will get it, and that's why

[2:56:02] there's a lot of angst all

[2:56:03] across the country, because most

[2:56:05] folks depend on these fundings.

[2:56:11] But they want measures --

[2:56:11] measurements to be included.

[2:56:14] And so I'm excited. And again,

[2:56:15] thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, and

[2:56:16] thank you to the ceo and also

[2:56:20] doug. It was friday evening.

[2:56:22] Didn't finish to a little close

[2:56:24] to 9:00 or past 9:00 P.M.. So I

[2:56:26] really appreciate you being part

[2:56:29] of it. The other -- couple of

[2:56:32] other things is I want to thank

[2:56:35] doug and his staff and the

[2:56:37] thousand volunteers on the point

[2:56:40] in time count. This past --

[2:56:42] couple of weeks ago now. This

[2:56:44] is very important to us. So the

[2:56:46] data is essential to access --

[2:56:48] assess our coach homelessness

[2:56:50] and whether we as a county has

[2:56:53] done well or not or what each

[2:56:57] city has done, if it has worked

[2:57:01] or not. As we know, in 2024, we

[2:57:05] had 7,322 homeless individuals,

[2:57:07] which, you know, was an increase

[2:57:12] from 2022 by 37%, and we did not

[2:57:15] do any count in '23 or '25. And

[2:57:16] so this count something going to

[2:57:18] be important for us to see what

[2:57:20] has been done since '24.

[2:57:22] Whether our programs or the

[2:57:23] city's programs have worked or

[2:57:25] not worked, and whether we

[2:57:27] continue those programs or stop

[2:57:28] those programs, and we look at

[2:57:31] whether, you know, it's -- what

[2:57:32] to do going forward. And so I

[2:57:34] really appreciate the city of

[2:57:35] fountain valley because I joined

[2:57:38] them, the team of the officers,

[2:57:40] at my square park, and we drove

[2:57:42] around in fountain valley to

[2:57:43] look and talk to a lot of

[2:57:45] individuals. And it's very

[2:57:46] eye-opening to see what's

[2:57:49] happening there, especially in

[2:57:51] the evening. And so, again,

[2:57:55] thank you to doug, the oc cares

[2:57:58] staff and also the thousand of

[2:58:01] volunteers that came out to help

[2:58:05] at that -- to help. And last, I

[2:58:07] just also want to thank the

[2:58:09] board for celebrating lunar new

[2:58:12] year with us. We had a great

[2:58:14] time at the board meeting, and

[2:58:17] lots of comments and

[2:58:19] conversations of folks.

[2:58:20] Appreciate the board for

[2:58:22] continuing to recognize lunar

[2:58:26] new year, particularly in our

[2:58:28] district, would be for tet. And

[2:58:29] I was also able to participate

[2:58:32] in a lot of lunar new year

[2:58:33] events in the district.

[2:58:35] And I can say that, you know, I

[2:58:39] want to give a shout-out to my

[2:58:41] staff that a whole week and a

[2:58:43] half was exhausting for us. We,

[2:58:47] you know, when new year's eve

[2:58:49] events, temple run, which, you

[2:58:51] know, a lot of us got back at

[2:58:52] probably 1:30 in the morning.

[2:58:54] And so really appreciate my

[2:58:56] staff for hanging in there and,

[2:58:58] even though it was raining on

[2:59:00] us, as well, for being out

[2:59:03] there, for being troopers and

[2:59:06] then into -- being a part the

[2:59:11] tet parade this past weekend in

[2:59:13] westminster and appreciate all

[2:59:14] of their support and all of the

[2:59:16] volunteers that came out to help

[2:59:17] us in the parade as well, and

[2:59:19] thank you to this board for the

[2:59:19] recognition of lunar new year

[2:59:22] and tet in orange county. Thank

[2:59:24] you, MR. CHAIRMAN.

[2:59:25] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank

[2:59:28] you, supervisor. Vice-chair.

[2:59:29] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank

[2:59:32] you, MR. CHAIRMAN. And, yes,

[2:59:34] this -- I feel like this year

[2:59:35] has been the most celebrated

[2:59:37] lunar new year of anytime I've

[2:59:39] ever seen in our whole county.

[2:59:41] So it's wonderful, so many

[2:59:43] colorful, joyful celebration,

[2:59:44] and thanks for bringing all of

[2:59:48] the decorations to the sixth

[2:59:49] floor and the nice treats that

[2:59:51] you shared with us at our lunch

[2:59:53] meeting last time. So lots of

[2:59:55] things to celebrate here in

[2:59:58] orange county. One thing -- one

[3:00:00] issue that has been percolating

[3:00:07] in our district is the san juan

[3:00:09] creek channels. I want to thank

[3:00:11] orange county public works and

[3:00:13] our agricultural commissioner

[3:00:15] for the time expended and the

[3:00:17] deep dive in briefing with my

[3:00:19] time on all of the county's san

[3:00:22] juan and trabuco creeks and

[3:00:24] maintenance plans, the different

[3:00:25] ways we manage our channels, the

[3:00:27] history of managing our channels

[3:00:29] and the use of herbicides

[3:00:31] specifically in our flood

[3:00:33] channels. So the community has

[3:00:34] been communicating with us quite

[3:00:38] a bit about the san juan and

[3:00:40] trabuco creeks. And as our team

[3:00:42] knows well, I'm very much

[3:00:43] opposed to herbicides in our

[3:00:45] public spaces and our waterways.

[3:00:49] I share -- I've shared many of

[3:00:49] these concerns and all of the

[3:00:50] questions that we are receiving

[3:00:52] with our orange county public

[3:00:55] works team and I'll continue

[3:00:56] engaging with our county staff

[3:00:59] on different alternatives. We

[3:01:06] want to assure the public that

[3:01:08] round-up/gliff say the, has not

[3:01:10] been applied to the tra bush oh

[3:01:14] or san juan creek flued channels

[3:01:15] eyewitness news since JANUARY of

[3:01:18] 2025, the reason we know that is

[3:01:19] because we received complaints

[3:01:21] in JANUARY of 2025. Formal

[3:01:22] complaints were made. An

[3:01:25] investigation ensued. And

[3:01:27] because we take these complaints

[3:01:29] seriously, the investigation

[3:01:31] found that the contractor was

[3:01:33] not in compliance, and then our

[3:01:38] county staff acted decisively.

[3:01:40] Gliff say the has not been used

[3:01:41] since then and not be applied

[3:01:46] those channels again.

[3:01:48] Glyfhosate. The county is only

[3:01:50] approved to apply state water

[3:01:53] board and epa approved

[3:01:55] herbicides to vegetation and

[3:01:56] flood control channels. And the

[3:01:58] reason for that is so that

[3:02:00] people don't experience flooding

[3:02:01] in their homes. This channel

[3:02:02] was developed and house built

[3:02:04] and commercial retail built all

[3:02:07] along it, and so it's a bagging

[3:02:10] act to protect the homes from

[3:02:12] flooding and keep the vegetation

[3:02:15] out in a way that is respectful

[3:02:18] of, you know, the humans and the

[3:02:20] natural habitat that live in the

[3:02:23] channel like fish. So we have

[3:02:26] been following the protocols for

[3:02:28] diluting the application to

[3:02:30] ensure it remains as safe as

[3:02:31] possible for humans, and we'll

[3:02:34] continue to try to balance the

[3:02:37] environmental needs, including

[3:02:40] researching cost-effective

[3:02:42] alternatives. I had a

[3:02:44] discussion with county staff

[3:02:44] yesterday about some

[3:02:45] alternatives that I'm hoping

[3:02:49] that we can research and pursue.

[3:02:51] But also with the thought in

[3:02:52] neighborhood we have to protect

[3:02:54] the property and the people from

[3:02:56] the threat of flooding. So if

[3:02:58] you have questions for our

[3:03:00] office or public works or the

[3:03:01] healthcare agency, you can come

[3:03:03] to our town hall. The town hall

[3:03:06] is on monday MARCH 2nd at 6:00

[3:03:10] P.M.. Please rsvp, and you can

[3:03:13] contact our office to do so.

[3:03:14] And you can contact public works

[3:03:19] for any additional inquiries at

[3:03:20] 714-667-8800. And in the

[3:03:23] interest of time, I want to just

[3:03:25] focus quickly on travelers who

[3:03:28] might be stuck in puerto

[3:03:30] vallarta. In the fifth district

[3:03:31] we have a lot of travelers that

[3:03:34] go to puerto vallarta. The

[3:03:36] country is pretty much on

[3:03:42] lock-down in some areas,

[3:03:43] tijuana, guadalajara, puerto

[3:03:45] vallarta and the U.S. State

[3:03:46] department is advising americans

[3:03:47] as well as others that are

[3:03:49] traveling to seek shelter,

[3:03:50] minimize unnecessary movements,

[3:03:52] remain in hotels or residences,

[3:03:54] be aware of your surroundings.

[3:03:55] Anyone needing assistance can

[3:04:03] call from U.S. Or canada,

[3:04:09] 1-888-407-4747. Or if you're in

[3:04:14] mexico and you need call

[3:04:15] 1-202-501-4444. Southwest

[3:04:16] airlines, which travels direct

[3:04:19] from jwa to mexico are advising

[3:04:23] to check with

[3:04:23] southwest.Com/traveladvisor for

[3:04:26] information. And then the state

[3:04:28] department has this american

[3:04:30] citizens services task force for

[3:04:32] U.S. Citizens in mexico, and you

[3:04:35] can call a number to help get

[3:04:41] returned travel 202-501-4444.

[3:04:45] Or 1-888407-4747.

[3:04:47] I already gave those numbers.

[3:04:51] So with that, thank you to my

[3:04:52] colleagues for a very productive

[3:04:54] meeting today. And it's only

[3:04:55] noon.

[3:04:56] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank you

[3:04:57] vice-chair. Supervisor

[3:04:57] sarmiento.

[3:04:58] >>vincente sarmiento: thank you,

[3:05:02] MR. Chair. I have just a few

[3:05:04] items, and if the board will

[3:05:05] indulge me on these, I'll try go

[3:05:08] rapid me. I -- rapidly. I want

[3:05:11] to thank our partners who helped

[3:05:12] us with the health and resource

[3:05:13] fair this saturday the 21st.

[3:05:14] We hosted at anaheim high

[3:05:17] school. We want to thank their

[3:05:18] board of trustees and the

[3:05:21] principal there. Principal

[3:05:23] rubin.

[3:05:26] He and his team were just very

[3:05:28] gracious and opening up the

[3:05:29] campus. It's a beautiful

[3:05:33] campus. It's a historic campus,

[3:05:37] and our partners, who kind of

[3:05:40] anchored this were social

[3:05:42] service agency, ahn tran was

[3:05:45] there and also caloptima. So we

[3:05:47] want to thank our partners who

[3:05:51] were there, notably lestinac,

[3:05:52] cap oc, second harvest food

[3:05:58] bank, choc, central city,

[3:05:59] united, across borders and many,

[3:06:02] many others. They were doing

[3:06:05] medical screenings, reading

[3:06:07] glasses on the spot and just a

[3:06:09] lot of good stuff, groceries,

[3:06:10] diapers, people who were just

[3:06:13] trying to help their neighbors.

[3:06:14] Unfortunately, attendance wasn't

[3:06:15] as large as we would have

[3:06:16] expected just because we know

[3:06:18] there was a lot of fear, and it

[3:06:21] was palpable in people who were

[3:06:22] there. We saw it in their

[3:06:24] faces, and they explained to us

[3:06:27] that their neighbors would have

[3:06:28] attended had conditions been

[3:06:29] different. But they're still

[3:06:32] fearful of immigration raids and

[3:06:34] enforcement that has communities

[3:06:36] really kind of closed off. So

[3:06:40] that was one. And the other one

[3:06:41] is our warm program. We just

[3:06:43] wanted to update, we know it's

[3:06:44] beautiful weather right now.

[3:06:46] It's 80 degrees outside right

[3:06:48] now. Last week we had a lot of

[3:06:49] rain and previously, and I'm

[3:06:50] sure we'll have more. The warm

[3:06:53] program in its second year is

[3:06:56] our effort to stand up what was

[3:06:59] the cold weather shelter, and on

[3:07:00] JANUARY 1st, the program

[3:07:05] started providing motel stays to

[3:07:06] elementary-age students and

[3:07:08] their families during periods of

[3:07:10] inclement weather. We partner

[3:07:11] with all five school districts

[3:07:13] in our area, and for families in

[3:07:14] need. So if you know of

[3:07:17] anybody, please have them

[3:07:19] contact their school districts,

[3:07:20] teachers, principals so they can

[3:07:21] connect with their program. It

[3:07:24] was able to support some

[3:07:25] families through some very cold

[3:07:26] nights and continue to activate

[3:07:28] on nights when temperatures drop

[3:07:30] below 45 degrees and during

[3:07:32] rainy weather. Lastly, I wanted

[3:07:35] to touch on the report that was

[3:07:37] just released by caloptima, and

[3:07:44] that is the audit on findings.

[3:07:46] It disclosed in the expenditures

[3:07:48] major in the period when former

[3:07:50] supervisor andrew do served on

[3:07:51] the caloptima board. You know,

[3:07:52] there was an article written on

[3:07:57] it. It's a little less than

[3:07:59] accurate, but to the extent that

[3:08:00] it captured what the board was

[3:08:02] trying to do at came optima,

[3:08:04] which was to look back and see

[3:08:05] if there was any undue influence

[3:08:07] by the former supervisor because

[3:08:09] he served as chair and served on

[3:08:10] that board as director for many

[3:08:13] years. I know that they try to

[3:08:16] budgets two reports. One that

[3:08:16] was released late last year.

[3:08:19] That was a completely separate

[3:08:22] investigation. That was into

[3:08:24] the proposed acquisition of a

[3:08:25] tustin property, which

[3:08:27] ultimately was not consummated.

[3:08:30] That was not an investigation

[3:08:31] into MR. Do. That was based

[3:08:34] upon a whistle blower claim that

[3:08:35] was made by an employee. He was

[3:08:37] part of that. He was all over

[3:08:39] that narrative. But it wasn't

[3:08:41] focused in on him. This audit

[3:08:42] in particular that was released

[3:08:46] and done by ankura was

[3:08:48] specifically focused in on his

[3:08:49] possible influence on any

[3:08:50] funding that MAY have gone

[3:08:53] through the agency. So the

[3:08:55] board initiated this. It was

[3:08:57] not obligated to do this. But

[3:09:00] it wanted to make sure that in

[3:09:02] the effort and in the spirit of

[3:09:04] transparency -- they wanted to

[3:09:04] make sure that they looked back

[3:09:06] and saw what his dealings were

[3:09:08] there. And although it was

[3:09:09] inclusive, that doesn't mean

[3:09:11] that there weren't findings or

[3:09:12] recommendations that we could

[3:09:15] take and use going forward. And

[3:09:17] that's where I use praise for

[3:09:19] the report. It be wasn't really

[3:09:20] for the findings. I know that

[3:09:22] there was some difficulty by the

[3:09:27] auditors to access information.

[3:09:29] That, I'm certainly not

[3:09:29] praising. I think there's some

[3:09:31] work and improvements that could

[3:09:32] be done, but to the extent that

[3:09:35] the board took it upon itself to

[3:09:39] initiate and complete these --

[3:09:40] both an investigation and an

[3:09:42] audit -- I think are good steps

[3:09:43] for public agencies that are

[3:09:45] trying to make sure that there

[3:09:47] is good governance,

[3:09:48] transparency, oversight and

[3:09:50] there is work to be done

[3:09:50] obviously from the

[3:09:52] recommendations that were cited.

[3:09:53] So that's something that I'm

[3:09:54] sure the board will undertake.

[3:09:55] But there have been already

[3:09:58] action taken by the board,

[3:10:00] strengthening the grant's

[3:10:02] management policy,

[3:10:04] standardsizing processes and

[3:10:05] improving oversight on every

[3:10:06] grant and updating the conflict

[3:10:08] of interest policy to clarify

[3:10:09] when conflicts must be

[3:10:09] disclosed.

[3:10:11] That was done here at county

[3:10:13] because we know that was abused

[3:10:15] by a former supervisor do. So

[3:10:17] to the extent that there is

[3:10:20] continuing work to be done,

[3:10:22] obviously there was -- you know,

[3:10:24] there's some compliance and

[3:10:24] improvements that need to be

[3:10:28] made. We know there is work to

[3:10:30] be done. But to the extent that

[3:10:31] this health plan doesn't just

[3:10:33] necessarily do medical care. We

[3:10:35] know that at caloptima, what we

[3:10:37] see is good healthcare means

[3:10:39] house, to make sure people have

[3:10:43] a roof over their head is an

[3:10:47] india of how people can be

[3:10:48] either healthy or ill, access,

[3:10:51] which is why we stood up for

[3:10:52] programs doing street medicine,

[3:10:55] which is basically doctors'

[3:10:57] offices on wheels, which helps

[3:10:59] people on the street so they can

[3:11:00] receive medical care and

[3:11:02] eventually get housing. Also we

[3:11:05] know that many of our members

[3:11:11] suffer from swo substance abuse

[3:11:13] and we had narcan that was

[3:11:14] distributed throughout the

[3:11:17] county to make sure people had

[3:11:19] that who were addicted or use

[3:11:20] fentanyl. We know many of our

[3:11:22] members suffer from food

[3:11:23] insecurity, which is why 1.2

[3:11:26] million was dedicated to second

[3:11:27] harvest and cap oc to make sure

[3:11:28] that we address those issues.

[3:11:31] So the reason why I think that's

[3:11:33] relevant is because this health

[3:11:36] plan now, again, dispenses more

[3:11:38] than just medical care. It does

[3:11:40] grants. It works, community

[3:11:42] partners and providers, and a

[3:11:43] lot of times, you know, it is

[3:11:45] not as familiar as maybe some of

[3:11:48] the agencies that, you know, do

[3:11:49] oversight compliance and

[3:11:53] tracking of funds, you know, as

[3:11:54] often as this health plan does.

[3:11:59] We will certainly get into that,

[3:12:01] you know, routine of making sure

[3:12:03] that they track these things

[3:12:06] better, and looking back, having

[3:12:07] audits done, investigations

[3:12:09] done, there are opportunities

[3:12:11] for us to improve both here at

[3:12:13] the county and at caloptima and

[3:12:14] make sure that all public

[3:12:17] dollars are accounted for,

[3:12:19] there's responsibility and

[3:12:19] oversight on those. So I just

[3:12:20] wanted to make some clarity on,

[3:12:23] that that I am very proud of our

[3:12:24] board who undertook these things

[3:12:26] voluntarily. Much work to be

[3:12:27] done, and I believe a lot of

[3:12:30] compliance training that, you

[3:12:32] know, that plan could learn

[3:12:32] from, you know, agencies that we

[3:12:34] all sit on that do very good

[3:12:36] work on track and oversight. So

[3:12:38] with that, MR. Chair, those are

[3:12:39] my comments for the day.

[3:12:41] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank you

[3:12:44] supervisor. I will make a few

[3:12:46] of my own. First, I'd like to

[3:12:47] thank supervisor nguyen for

[3:12:49] setting up the little seance we

[3:12:52] had with the hud people and the

[3:12:53] staff that attend as well, and

[3:12:56] particularly our ceo. It was, I

[3:13:00] thought, a good rapport that was

[3:13:01] established, something I don't

[3:13:02] think we've had in the past.

[3:13:05] You can look at all of the words

[3:13:06] in your application, but when

[3:13:09] you put it face to face, it

[3:13:10] really helps. I think we'll

[3:13:11] move forward successfully when

[3:13:15] we get to those various

[3:13:15] applications that they were

[3:13:20] talking about. And I had my

[3:13:21] usual good time on valentine's

[3:13:23] day. My eighth year in a row

[3:13:26] that I've spent in the clerk's

[3:13:28] office officiating weddings. I

[3:13:29] was able to do six of them this

[3:13:31] last valentine's day at the

[3:13:34] anaheim office. And that for me

[3:13:36] is always fun, to see some happy

[3:13:39] people and participate in their

[3:13:45] joy. We have a couple events

[3:13:48] coming up. We have our elder

[3:13:50] fraud prevention. There it is.

[3:13:52] Up, there coming up this

[3:13:55] thursday. Elderly people are

[3:13:57] probability most often scammed

[3:13:59] group. So we want to give them

[3:14:02] as much information so they can

[3:14:05] protect themselves. So that's

[3:14:05] coming up. The information is

[3:14:08] up there. It is thursday at

[3:14:08] noon. We'll have a little

[3:14:10] something to eat, as well, being

[3:14:16] noontime. And then more fun, on

[3:14:18] MARCH 14, coming up, assuming no

[3:14:20] rain, we will be holding another

[3:14:23] fishing derby for kids. On

[3:14:26] MARCH 14, beginning at 8:00,

[3:14:28] ending at 11:00. We do have

[3:14:30] fish rods and bait and all that

[3:14:31] and the lake will be stocked. I

[3:14:33] hope you like catfish because

[3:14:34] that's what we have available at

[3:14:42] this time. Always fun to see a

[3:14:45] 5-year-old hold up a two-foot

[3:14:46] catfish. Almost the same height

[3:14:48] when they hold that up. If you

[3:14:51] have a fishing license after 11,

[3:14:52] there's still plenty of fish

[3:14:53] there, you can join in, even

[3:14:55] though you're not a kid. So

[3:14:57] some fun things coming up for

[3:14:59] me. We also at the end of the

[3:15:01] day appreciate the orange county

[3:15:02] employee association coming in

[3:15:05] and providing lunch with their

[3:15:07] hot dog machine that they have

[3:15:09] there. So ceo agruye

[3:15:10] rey, do you

[3:15:12] have any -- ceo aguirre, do you

[3:15:14] have any comments you'd like to

[3:15:15] make.

[3:15:15] >>michelle aguirre: I'll echo

[3:15:17] the comments from yourself and

[3:15:18] also from supervisor nguyen

[3:15:19] related to our meeting with hud

[3:15:21] on friday night. I think one of

[3:15:22] the things that I found to be

[3:15:25] most impactful was when we were

[3:15:27] speaking about clearing the

[3:15:28] riverbed, and a couple of the

[3:15:30] graduates of the oc rescue

[3:15:31] mission from actually on the

[3:15:33] riverbed at that time. So it

[3:15:35] was great to be able to

[3:15:37] communicate with them and hear

[3:15:37] their stories.

[3:15:39] I thought it

[3:15:40] was a great night also. So

[3:15:42] thank you. And just one

[3:15:45] shout-out, so this past friday,

[3:15:49] the ceo government affairs and

[3:15:51] communications team conducted an

[3:15:53] oc cares photo shoot to dewpoint

[3:15:56] the great work that our oc cares

[3:15:57] initiative is doing. And it was

[3:16:00] at craig regional park in

[3:16:03] fullerton. We just want to give

[3:16:05] kudos to the four parpght

[3:16:08] probation officers, michael

[3:16:10] castill, colleen burn, francisco

[3:16:13] free was, and jorge cast none

[3:16:15] for their time, professionalism

[3:16:16] and their commitment to this

[3:16:18] initiative and to our community

[3:16:20] partner project kinship for

[3:16:21] their participation. And then

[3:16:24] this was right after the stormy

[3:16:28] weather that we had last week.

[3:16:29] And so a big thank you to the oc

[3:16:32] parks crew who went above and

[3:16:34] beyond to ensure that we had a

[3:16:37] successful production at craig

[3:16:40] park. Park ranger james kim,

[3:16:42] supervising park ranger jason

[3:16:43] arthur along with our

[3:16:46] maintenance team of chavez,

[3:16:53] caesar, alvarez and enrique

[3:16:55] ororsco led a clean-up effort,

[3:16:57] even repainting the hand ball

[3:17:02] court before the photo shoot,

[3:17:04] cleaning up debris, and just a

[3:17:06] shout-out to you. Greatly

[3:17:08] appreciate all of your efforts.

[3:17:10] Thank you, chair.

[3:17:10] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank you

[3:17:13] MADAM Ceo. MADAM Clerk, you can

[3:17:19] read the closed-session items.

[3:17:21] >>clerk, robin stieler: cs-1 has

[3:17:21] been deleted.

[3:17:22] >>clerk, robin stieler: cs-2.

[3:17:23] Public employee performance

[3:17:24] evaluation-pursuant to

[3:17:27] government code section 54957(B):

[3:17:28] title:executive director of the

[3:17:30] campaign finance and ethics commission.

[3:17:33] (Continued from 2/10/26, item cs-2)

[3:17:40] Scs3. County counsel-

[3:17:41] conference with legal counsel-

[3:17:41] existing litigation-pursuant

[3:17:43] to government code section 54956.9(D)(1):

[3:17:44] name of case: mind oc v. County

[3:17:44] of orange, orange county

[3:17:45] superior court case

[3:17:46] no.: 30-2024-01442012-cu-co-cjc.

[3:17:47] Scs4. County counsel-

[3:17:48] conference with legal counsel-

[3:17:49] existing litigation-pursuant

[3:17:51] to government code section 54956.9(D)(1):

[3:17:53] name of cases: clarisse magtoto

[3:17:54] v. County of orange, orange

[3:18:07] county superior court case no. 30-2022-01241335,

[3:18:07] amy tallakson v. County of

[3:18:08] orange, orange county superior

[3:18:09] court case no. 30-2022-01241346,

[3:18:10] shabnum azizi v. County of

[3:18:10] orange, orange county superior

[3:18:11] court case no. 30-2022-01232544,

[3:18:12] mallory miller v. County of

[3:18:13] orange, orange county superior

[3:18:13] court case no. 30-2022-01252436,

[3:18:14] bethel cope-vega v. County of

[3:18:15] orange, orange county superior

[3:18:16] court case no. 30-2022-01252452,

[3:18:17] mohammad abuershaid v. County of

[3:18:18] orange, orange county superior

[3:18:19] court case no. 30-2022-01243989,

[3:18:19] and tracy miller v. County of

[3:18:20] orange et al., orange county

[3:18:24] superior court case no. 30-2022-01262015.

[3:18:24] >>chair, doug chaffee: we are

[3:18:30] adjourned to closed sessions.

[3:20:35] >>leon page: pursuant to

[3:20:39] government code section 5 foifer

[3:20:40] 5497b and section d the board

[3:20:41] met in closed sessions to

[3:20:43] discuss the items referenced on

[3:20:46] today's agenda as cs2, cs3, and

[3:20:49] scs4. Cs1 was actually deleted.

[3:20:50] With respect to those three

[3:20:52] items the board took no

[3:20:54] reportable action in closed

[3:20:55] sessions today. Thank you.

[3:20:56] >>clerk, robin stieler: that

[3:20:58] concludes today'sed a. The next

[3:20:59] meeting is scheduled for tuesday

[3:21:01] MARCH 10th at 9:30 A.M.

[3:21:02] Today's meeting of the orange

[3:21:05] county board of supervisors

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